Nephilim Death Squad - 014： Chaz of the Dead

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00:01:35.620 Hashtag make a play.

00:01:37.140 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:01:45.340 News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:01:50.320 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:58.740 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely different.

00:02:04.580 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:02:05.600 There's some Nephilim shit.

00:02:33.680 What's up, guys?

00:02:34.780 Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad, the show where we hunt down and expose Nephilim shit.

00:02:42.620 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:02:46.220 This is Top Lobster.

00:02:48.400 What's up?

00:02:48.700 And we are joined today by Chaz of the Dead.

00:02:53.440 And let me just say, what's up?

00:02:55.240 I gotta interrupt.

00:02:56.260 I like when people have a title.

00:02:56.880 He's like, I wasn't sure.

00:02:59.760 I didn't know who Chaz was.

00:03:00.740 I've heard you on Tenfold Happ, but we've never spoke in real life or just even spoke over the internet.

00:03:05.720 You've been, you booked this all through Corbo, which we're renaming you.

00:03:08.420 And we play the intro and I look down.

00:03:11.600 I'm like, Chaz is fucking, he's in it.

00:03:13.680 He's in it because that's exactly, you know, that's how I feel when we start the show.

00:03:16.880 Every single time.

00:03:17.820 And so I was like, all right, this guy's the homie.

00:03:19.200 This is going to be a good episode.

00:03:20.240 I feel it already.

00:03:21.440 Hell yeah.

00:03:21.960 Fire it up.

00:03:22.880 I have an expression I like to use.

00:03:26.480 My girlfriend hates it.

00:03:27.540 But, you know, when you fall off that horse, you get back on that horse and you fuck that horse.

00:03:33.360 So let's fuck that horse tonight, boys.

00:03:35.840 That is an aggressive expression and I'm all about it.

00:03:38.440 You know what's funny is I did the microphone or the fucking headphone thing.

00:03:41.300 I couldn't hear the intro.

00:03:43.260 Are you serious?

00:03:44.860 I don't know what the fuck is.

00:03:46.220 I gotta like take a plug out, move a plug around.

00:03:48.140 But before we get into it, I want to address what's happening.

00:03:51.120 And I'd like both Chaz and Top's thoughts on what it is that I'm going through on Twitter.

00:03:58.200 I'm very excited because I finally developed a bit of conspiracy around myself, right?

00:04:03.400 Around the Raven.

00:04:04.400 Now, that's how you know that you're doing something, right?

00:04:07.200 When the masses start to speculate as to, you know, what's going on?

00:04:11.820 Is he a Freemason maybe?

00:04:13.900 Is he initiated?

00:04:15.120 Is he possibly gender inverted?

00:04:18.600 And I am now like waist deep, dude, in the trenches, battling EGI people.

00:04:26.940 For people who don't know, EGI is an elite gender inversion.

00:04:31.680 It's fucking amazing, dude.

00:04:33.600 And they have these.

00:04:34.820 What they'll do is they'll take the concept is a lot of elites, which I guess makes me elite now, are gender inverted, you know, one way or the other, whatever.

00:04:43.720 And they'll take these skulls.

00:04:45.420 This is a female skull.

00:04:46.420 This is a male skull.

00:04:47.140 They'll make them translucent, and they'll Photoshop them over various celebrities' faces and see if the eye-to-jaw ratio, all this shit, lines up.

00:04:57.180 And that's how they're determining who is.

00:04:59.260 And it turns out that your boy's got a female skull, according to EGI, folks, and they're coming for me.

00:05:04.440 I, for one, am convinced.

00:05:07.680 Give me your mastectomy scars, you fucker.

00:05:10.580 I'm not fine.

00:05:12.040 I'm just kidding.

00:05:12.560 I know.

00:05:12.840 I met him in real life, and I'm kind of like, is he?

00:05:14.980 Well, he sent me the picture, and I thought about it.

00:05:16.460 I was like, he might be.

00:05:18.040 I don't know.

00:05:18.180 It's so outrageous.

00:05:19.520 I'm fucking insulted because, listen, I'm just going to go ahead and throw around some numbers here.

00:05:23.600 I'm like 20,000-plus followers on Twitter.

00:05:26.640 Corvo has three.

00:05:28.140 3,000.

00:05:28.920 Just barely.

00:05:30.020 And he gets, like, four conspiracies.

00:05:32.260 I saw the fucking brick Masonic thing.

00:05:34.940 They're like, is he Freemason?

00:05:35.820 Freemasons, baby?

00:05:36.940 He's a woman with a razor.

00:05:38.760 It's not really about the size of the following.

00:05:41.100 It's about pissing off the right groups of people.

00:05:43.880 I think that's what it is.

00:05:45.160 Fucking Twitter hates me, dude.

00:05:46.760 There's not a single niche paranormal group out there that's not like, hey, fuck that guy.

00:05:51.560 I'm a CIA op.

00:05:55.520 If you're a flat earther, if you're woke, I'm some kind of far-right figurehead.

00:06:02.980 It's great, man.

00:06:04.420 Just doing me pisses people off.

00:06:07.600 I think it's a sign of respect, actually.

00:06:10.400 For folks who don't know, the paranormal realm is actually, from wherever you're standing, it's to the far right of you.

00:06:17.060 Always.

00:06:17.740 At all times.

00:06:18.280 Of course.

00:06:18.400 And so, yeah, I can see that as being where you've landed.

00:06:22.540 But actually, let me, let me, like, so to kind of put a bow on that, you're 100% right.

00:06:28.420 Because when I did the Elon Musk tweet with the Dreenochrome or Hate the Jays, they immediately called me far-right for, yeah, for making that sort of a joke.

00:06:40.280 Instead of anti-Semitic, which was interesting.

00:06:43.180 They went with that instead.

00:06:44.280 I was like, huh.

00:06:44.920 Well, now that one's getting thrown around so much nowadays.

00:06:48.400 It's quickly losing any kind of meaning behind it, man.

00:06:54.160 Like, if you say, just tweeting out the phrase.

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00:07:42.620 Killing kids is bad would label you an anti-Semite these days on fucking Twitter, man.

00:07:49.800 It's a really weird game of hopscotch, right?

00:07:54.240 Where, like, one block leads to another.

00:07:56.520 And it's very strange how ringing the bell and saying,

00:08:00.600 Hey, something might be happening to kids.

00:08:02.340 Like, I'm just, hey, I'm just noticing things, all right?

00:08:04.860 There's a kind of an Italian cuisine thing associated with the blood of children thing.

00:08:11.300 And then immediately that has a political leaning, which is amazing because in 2023,

00:08:16.140 as, you know, all the way back to 2019, 18, probably 16, as soon as Trump got in,

00:08:20.800 you can't have any ideas without there being a political connotation to it.

00:08:25.220 So let's take this moment real quick and introduce you, Chaz.

00:08:29.740 Can you tell the people what sort of work you're into and where they can find it?

00:08:36.960 Yeah.

00:08:37.400 So I do paranormal investigating, psychedelic experiments and research,

00:08:44.640 and a little bit of occultism and all the stuff in between, kind of marrying the concepts.

00:08:51.920 I do most of my writing these days for Paranormality Magazine.

00:08:55.020 Go check those guys out.

00:08:56.120 And then you can find me at Chaz of the Dead on most of the social media stuff.

00:09:01.620 And then Chazofthedead.com, where you can keep up with my books and articles and podcast appearances

00:09:06.840 and all kinds of high strangeness and weird stuff.

00:09:11.920 And then these depressing times, I try to keep it light.

00:09:17.080 Try to keep it having fun with it.

00:09:19.000 Hell yeah.

00:09:20.840 Hey, has anything recently, paranormal-wise, in the wide spectrum, kind of come to your radar?

00:09:28.780 What's your most, you know, what's your hot topic right now?

00:09:32.500 Nowadays, I still get a ton of UFOs done.

00:09:36.500 Because it's the hot topic.

00:09:39.200 Every couple months, some government has something to say.

00:09:42.700 And, frankly, it's annoying.

00:09:47.800 Because I've been doing it a while.

00:09:51.220 And it's actually this whole modern disclosure thing is kind of comical.

00:09:56.420 Because people who have had their nose to the ground for a while,

00:10:00.480 they know videos of UFOs have been produced specifically by the governments of France and Chile.

00:10:08.520 LA, they've been churning out UFO videos that are on par, if not more bizarre than the ones the U.S. government has been releasing.

00:10:17.800 And I still would love for us to circle back and, like, discuss those videos as a community.

00:10:24.040 But clearly, a kind of lobbying interest has formed here in the U.S.

00:10:30.960 And they are definitely dictating a lot of this UFO stuff that's coming forward.

00:10:36.440 And, you know, it fills my inbox.

00:10:40.000 That being said, I'm willing to accept it.

00:10:42.240 Because I've been working.

00:10:43.280 I've got a project I'm currently working on that's another alternative explanation to this UFO craze we're kind of experiencing.

00:10:54.140 You know, and that's why I love doing this stuff.

00:10:56.460 It never really gets boring.

00:10:57.560 Because one day I'll wake up and I think it's all psychedelic.

00:11:01.400 It's all part of our consciousness, the human experience.

00:11:05.320 The next day I wake up and I'm like, nah, the government's built secret planes.

00:11:09.620 That's what it is.

00:11:10.700 That's what's going on.

00:11:12.360 And then every once in a while I'll really get into a story and a research hole and I'll be like, aliens?

00:11:18.980 It's aliens.

00:11:20.880 I'm mostly off that these days.

00:11:22.980 But, you know, still sneaks back up.

00:11:24.760 And so it's never a boring day researching this kind of content.

00:11:30.520 But I do think the – whether it's just UFOs becoming more mainstream or specifically of the topics I've written about in my previous books,

00:11:41.540 the UFO stuff tends to find me despite being Chaz of the Dead.

00:11:47.800 Ghost hunters, man, they're a competitive bunts.

00:11:50.600 They don't like to share shit.

00:11:53.520 They think I'm a hippie radical.

00:11:55.640 They don't even like to include me most of the time.

00:11:57.960 But I like to hang out around the edges and pull that.

00:12:01.620 What's your view on the aliens?

00:12:03.960 Or I guess we could talk about the UFOs.

00:12:06.400 But if, you know, if you are of the assumption that it's possible that maybe it is an extraterrestrial being.

00:12:12.940 Us on the Nephilim Death Squad, I'd say they're Nephilim.

00:12:17.540 Other people think that they might just be interdimensional beings.

00:12:20.640 Where do you fall on that?

00:12:21.900 Because, like, they're showing us this for a reason, right?

00:12:25.700 Like, eventually, there's going to be something that happens with whatever's going on up there.

00:12:32.380 Because they're keeping it in your peripheral concept, right?

00:12:35.720 Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

00:12:36.780 What do you think?

00:12:37.820 And, again, it's one of those things, the more the government talks about it, the less I am convinced it's aliens.

00:12:44.920 Because, again, the old assumption is absolutely accurate.

00:12:49.780 The logical – again, a lot of the logic used in paranormal is bullshit.

00:12:54.580 But we'll try to call it out as we go along here.

00:12:57.120 But the old saying is that, you know, the reason they don't tell us about it is because it's aliens and they're powerless to do anything about it.

00:13:06.960 Yeah, if there was actually aliens, that would probably check out.

00:13:10.640 And, again, they wouldn't tell us about it until, like, it became a scenario where there would be no kind of soft disclosure we're having right now, right?

00:13:20.260 Because the minute we all find out, we'd be like, well, you guys suck.

00:13:23.780 We're fucked.

00:13:24.680 Yada, yada.

00:13:26.040 The fact that they're kind of dipping their toe in and they're being like, yeah, maybe it's aliens.

00:13:32.140 And, oh, look, bodies in Mexico.

00:13:34.800 Oh, maybe that's alien.

00:13:36.420 Ta-da.

00:13:36.840 Alien, alien, alien.

00:13:37.900 And that makes it way more likely that they are using that as some kind of distraction, something to cover up an actual project.

00:13:48.420 Now, the source of that actual project is what I've been working on, I believe, to be something akin to a lot of paranormal activity, a type of energy that creates what many humans would call a paranormal experience.

00:14:05.380 But it could also just be really fancy planes.

00:14:12.520 And to kind of hammer this point home, I always like to bring up the book Mirage Men.

00:14:19.540 There's the movie.

00:14:21.380 It's not as good.

00:14:22.120 But the book goes into this one known fact of a story that in the early days of, like, the F-16 early fighter jets when they were just rolling them out, they'd make the pilots wear, like, guerrilla suits and, like, monkey costumes from, like, Hollywood movies.

00:14:39.980 And they would intentionally then fly the planes real close to passenger jets to see what the pilots, the commercial pilots, how they would react.

00:14:49.660 And, of course, it worked.

00:14:50.820 The pilots were like, man, I saw a plane that I've never seen before and a fucking monkey was flying it.

00:14:55.360 Like, you will never believe this shit.

00:14:57.440 Was it Spirit Airlines?

00:14:58.480 That's probably the origins of Spirit Airlines.

00:15:02.940 That program went on to be.

00:15:07.460 That's fucked up.

00:15:08.360 But, yeah, no.

00:15:11.600 And so, again, I think when you really – and when you sit back and you honestly examine a lot of these, quote, unquote, whistleblowers, you kind of find traces of that throughout their testimony.

00:15:25.440 Not so much this Grush guy.

00:15:27.280 He doesn't really have anything to say.

00:15:28.800 I mean, he's just parroting what's been in the literature for 20 years.

00:15:32.380 He's got no witnesses or sources.

00:15:34.400 It's just like, yeah, I worked it.

00:15:35.760 I literally have a buddy I talk to who I play video games every once in a while who works for the NSA, and he's told me the exact same shit.

00:15:43.520 I've seen some fucking weird-ass videos.

00:15:45.560 I don't know what any of it means, but there's something out there for sure.

00:15:50.320 Hey, what do you make of the Las Vegas sighting?

00:15:54.220 That one.

00:15:54.480 So, that stuff – so, this is kind of where I delineate a little bit.

00:16:00.100 So, that stuff kind of – it's hard because it falls right in Vegas,

00:16:04.860 which leads you to believe it has some – you know, it's on the outsides of Wright-Patterson and Air Force Base.

00:16:11.620 It's got, you know, Area 51.

00:16:13.320 It's got the legends associated with it.

00:16:17.280 But it also has that aspect of high strangeness.

00:16:21.660 And so, that's what I kind of look for when I'm looking at is something really truly paranormal, is something happening that is nonsensical.

00:16:33.780 That's almost my mark to look for.

00:16:36.920 Because if a story sounds like a Hollywood movie, it's a Hollywood movie.

00:16:41.500 Someone scripted it and something's not right.

00:16:45.400 But when someone comes to me and the story is something of bewilderment, it's baffling, something totally unexplainable,

00:16:53.880 then that's when I kind of get my interest piqued a little bit.

00:16:57.940 And so, those humanoid sightings in Vegas, they have some of that aspect to it.

00:17:03.040 And, again, this is where it gets a little bit blurry, where it could be this – what I passionately call B-theory.

00:17:14.640 It could be a craft that's operations cause what we would call nowadays psychedelic side effects.

00:17:23.860 And these people saw a legitimate craft, and then they were tripping a little bit and got, like, freaked out and saw some weird shit.

00:17:32.860 I think similar things are occurring in Brazil.

00:17:37.960 Sorry, go ahead.

00:17:39.240 No, every time people are seeing a craft, it is very possible that they could also be reacting to whatever it is.

00:17:46.360 If you think about – I don't know.

00:17:48.160 I forget the guy's name that had the –

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00:18:48.140 He was working on the reverse engineering of this stuff.

00:18:54.260 Oh, Bob Lazar.

00:18:55.260 Bob Lazar.

00:18:56.080 And he's describing like it's like sucking you into gravity.

00:18:59.720 You know, if something was around you, you would very likely be not in your normal state of mind.

00:19:05.440 You would probably be vibrating strangely.

00:19:07.120 So, like just that thing being whatever it is, and then your account of it.

00:19:12.480 I mean, who knows what's really happening.

00:19:14.940 Well, again, Lazar's story is actually one of those I think really encapsulates the whole conundrum.

00:19:20.060 Because, you know, the strangest part was that he said he saw a little gray dude in an office.

00:19:26.660 And he was like quickly shut it away.

00:19:28.900 And when he tells that story, most times he says, it could have been a guy in a suit.

00:19:32.880 Like I only saw it for a minute.

00:19:34.240 It was like really weird.

00:19:35.780 And that could have been something that he was made to see.

00:19:38.280 Right.

00:19:38.700 It could have been some kind of staged theater.

00:19:40.880 Like they wanted him to see that.

00:19:43.620 But then he also goes on to tell stories about how like one of the UFOs was ancient.

00:19:48.580 And we dug it out of a archaeological site.

00:19:52.440 And then another one was, you know, like a fancier one that had crashed.

00:19:56.440 So even though he shares that skepticism, his story heavily implies the extraterrestrial hypothesis, right?

00:20:05.540 Ancient aliens.

00:20:06.320 He hits all the marks, which is why he's so intriguing.

00:20:10.600 But again, I think him, David Grush, there's another alternate reality there that needs to be explored.

00:20:26.440 And the idea that perhaps these are just retirement program.

00:20:33.780 When you retire from doing some top secret stuff, they're like, hey, we'll up your pension if you, if you, hold on one second.

00:20:44.440 One second.

00:20:44.940 Sorry about that.

00:20:53.080 So it could be a simple, they up their pension.

00:20:58.700 They, you know, get a retirement degree.

00:21:03.660 Go out, say some crazy UFO shit every few years.

00:21:06.100 And this fact is reimbursed by, if you look at the camp of, who's the CE5?

00:21:13.820 Dr. Greer.

00:21:15.280 I don't know if you guys ever go into Dr. Stephen Greer.

00:21:19.520 He's a little strange to me.

00:21:21.260 He's very strange.

00:21:22.640 His whole meditative UFO thing.

00:21:24.500 Honestly, there's some stuff to that.

00:21:27.220 But his whole...

00:21:27.820 I've heard that from a lot of people that you can almost summon them, which, you know...

00:21:33.080 You ever see that video on, like, some, like, random news channel?

00:21:37.580 Some dude's like, yeah, I'm going to summon a UFO.

00:21:39.420 And then he does it.

00:21:40.100 Fucking, and he does it.

00:21:40.940 Yeah, he does it.

00:21:42.040 And so, again...

00:21:43.040 I don't know what the hell that is.

00:21:44.460 That's very bizarre.

00:21:45.160 I've experienced similar things under psychedelics and similar meditation practices.

00:21:52.180 You can absolutely get some light orbs to show up and do some weird shit.

00:21:57.060 But where his gets a little weird is, again, the extraterrestrial bit where he insists all

00:22:02.860 the aliens are good guys and that the government's evil and we got to trust these entities and

00:22:08.880 I will be the UFO messiah.

00:22:12.000 Do you remember the Galactic Federation of Light?

00:22:14.500 They were kind of...

00:22:15.820 I think they probably still are operating, but they were heavily on YouTube.

00:22:19.700 And, man, we're going back to, like, 2009.

00:22:21.820 And it was this Siri voice.

00:22:24.060 Every time I say this story, I have to check my phone to make sure it doesn't light up when

00:22:27.040 I say that.

00:22:27.840 But this, you know, AI voice, this woman's voice, and she's basically saying that she

00:22:33.260 empathizes with the plight of humanity, that humanity is under rule by, you know, dark

00:22:39.700 entities and evil dictator-esque political figures.

00:22:42.920 And that, essentially, we're meant to ascend soon and take our place amongst the galactic

00:22:49.040 family.

00:22:50.240 And they're just...

00:22:51.080 They would always refer to people as dear ones.

00:22:53.360 That's how they would refer to people.

00:22:55.280 It's that Hollywood movie thing, though, right?

00:22:57.760 Exactly.

00:22:58.120 Yeah.

00:22:58.680 And that was, you know, it was one of those things where whatever people think about QAnon,

00:23:04.840 it's this idea that, like, there's going to be an intervention from a savior force, right?

00:23:09.660 Because they would always say, like, trust in us, you know, trust in the plan.

00:23:13.380 It was the same thing that Anonymous was doing on the internet back in, like, 2007, 8, 9,

00:23:18.880 2010, was this, like, expect us.

00:23:21.760 We're going to be here.

00:23:22.520 We're going to intervene.

00:23:23.420 We're going to save you.

00:23:24.020 It's weird how we've been inundated with that kind of crap, you know, endlessly for the

00:23:29.120 past decade, you know, 15 years.

00:23:32.440 Well, if you count the church, it's been thousands of years.

00:23:35.520 Yeah, true.

00:23:36.080 Yeah, that's a good point.

00:23:37.000 Yeah, that's a really good point.

00:23:38.140 But, you know, one of the things you're talking about right now that's really interesting to

00:23:43.640 me is, like, we're in this weird moment.

00:23:46.420 Let me say something.

00:23:47.080 We're all these...

00:23:48.140 The church, because the church has been saying that for thousands of years, someone is going

00:23:52.240 to save you, and, like, the perfect Antichrist message would be exactly that.

00:23:56.500 It's almost, like, just about anything that, if you look at what Satan or Lucifer would

00:24:01.540 do, it would be, like, the exact inversion of Christ or God, like a version of it.

00:24:06.720 Like a mirror or an imitation.

00:24:09.080 Yeah, like a funny mirror.

00:24:10.400 So it's kind of like, yeah, that follows.

00:24:12.760 Well, and I actually just finished reading a great book.

00:24:15.920 It's a little dated, but it's pretty good.

00:24:18.700 It's missing some more frequent news on the Antichrist, but it's called Naming the Antichrist

00:24:25.420 Uncovering an American Obsession.

00:24:28.780 I can't remember the academic who wrote it, but it's pretty good.

00:24:31.640 And it just dives into specifically, you know, the history of the Antichrist in the Americas.

00:24:38.780 And being based in, you know, Protestantism and these real niche sects, we've been picking

00:24:45.040 Antichrists from the beginning.

00:24:47.040 And it's always been the, you know, live your simple, humble life, and Jesus will come and

00:24:51.920 save you from the baddies.

00:24:53.480 And again, believe whatever you want to believe, peace, love, and happiness at the end of the

00:25:00.400 day.

00:25:01.800 But when it comes to applying that metric to any of the paranormal subjects, whether it's

00:25:08.800 ghosts, UFOs, even government disclosure, it ends up just mucking up the works.

00:25:17.300 It is not an effective model of study when it comes to these subjects.

00:25:24.440 Here's an example of the sort of mucking up.

00:25:28.960 Right now, we're on the cusp of this big moment, right?

00:25:32.860 The Vegas issue, Chile, Peru, and the fucking face peelers, right?

00:25:38.880 Uh, the Mexico rolling out the sort of sandcastle alien corpses.

00:25:44.640 And it's like every other day, I would say, yeah, I didn't believe this.

00:25:49.060 Like, uh, they look like, remember when somebody made cake out of one of them?

00:25:51.760 It looked just like it.

00:25:52.860 The issue is that those mummies aren't new.

00:25:56.700 I saw those mummies six years ago.

00:25:58.760 Um, they've been touting those mummies for a minute and they were laughed off.

00:26:03.780 Fucking made of dirt.

00:26:04.380 They were laughed off when they were first presented at, like, a UFO conference.

00:26:09.920 And, like, the story of how this dude scammed his way into, like, being in front of the Congress

00:26:14.680 is actually quite hilarious.

00:26:17.860 He's not even known fraudster.

00:26:20.700 Yeah, I've heard the same thing, actually.

00:26:22.740 And just for somebody in the chat, somebody named Tio said face peelers.

00:26:26.720 And it's just like, yeah, look into it.

00:26:28.620 In Peru, there was a string of alien sightings by local people.

00:26:33.280 I think it was, um, maybe more tribal people that were apparently having interactions with

00:26:38.540 these entities that seemed to hover, uh, like, three meters off the ground.

00:26:42.640 And they had a, I don't know, a hankering for, like, face meat.

00:26:46.740 And they were peeling people's faces off surgically.

00:26:49.120 Allegedly.

00:26:49.820 Allegedly.

00:26:50.140 And the government's explanation that it was that it was illegal gold miners using jetpacks.

00:26:56.440 Which is fucking badass.

00:26:59.600 But it's, again, pretty Hollywood movie.

00:27:04.300 And so, um, I think actually those cases, um, the Vegas case, these face peeler cases,

00:27:12.100 they serve as a good example of what might be, um, a...

00:27:18.700 Well, a crack, uh, some kind of device that's using non-traditional propulsion.

00:27:25.240 And being near this non-traditional propulsion fucks you up a little bit.

00:27:31.360 And it leads to these, uh, essentially near psychedelic experiences.

00:27:37.360 Um, and so...

00:27:39.300 It could be, like, a human in a suit or an actual piece of technology, but it's so grandiose

00:27:44.160 in nature and then coupled with the experience of whatever the propulsion is, is screwing

00:27:48.640 you up and it's kind of making something that already is a big deal go levels beyond.

00:27:54.520 And maybe there's somebody, I mean, obviously there's somebody who's counting on that, right?

00:27:57.740 Whoever the hell is flying these ships, whatever government has a vested interest in making,

00:28:02.380 I don't know, disclosure at the forefront.

00:28:04.580 Whether it's a distraction for, like, the Hunter Biden laptop, you know, every time Hunter

00:28:08.980 Biden gets popped for, like, touching kids, another alien thing drops at the same fucking

00:28:13.380 time.

00:28:14.220 So, let's put our tinfoil hat on.

00:28:16.700 Nice and snugly here.

00:28:18.200 Oh, they've been on.

00:28:19.060 I know, I just saw a top look for his.

00:28:20.600 He physically has one.

00:28:21.260 I have one.

00:28:21.940 Yeah, it's not in this room.

00:28:24.740 Because I've got a story to tell.

00:28:26.620 Um, and this goes back, um, eight or so years to Morocco, um, where I was backpacking around

00:28:39.140 at the time.

00:28:39.820 I was just writing for, like, a personal, like, WordPress blog, you know, paranormal stuff.

00:28:44.880 Um, but as I was getting into it, um, you know, asking around, looking into local legends,

00:28:51.960 someone I was hanging out with was like, I got a dude you need to talk to.

00:28:55.840 And I remember it, we were on a balcony taking hashish gravity bongs.

00:29:02.060 And this dude was like, he's totally insane, but, like, he's got a fucking great-ass story

00:29:07.280 to tell.

00:29:08.140 Like, uh, you gotta meet this guy.

00:29:10.160 And so we set up this meeting, and I meet him in this roadside cafe, and this dude tells

00:29:15.160 me about how his dad worked for the CIA.

00:29:17.020 And this is outside of Tangier, which history buffs might, you know, know some of the international

00:29:22.180 zone history there.

00:29:23.380 It was the, uh, capital of spycraft for a while.

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00:30:26.840 But he said his dad worked for the CIA and that, you know, he lived here off of those

00:30:35.380 proceeds and that he knew plenty of people who flew UFOs.

00:30:39.260 And in a really matter-of-fact way, he was like, yeah, they reverse-engineered an anti-gravity

00:30:45.320 chamber in, like, the thorax of honeybees, I think it is.

00:30:48.560 And they used that same concept, and that's how UFOs work.

00:30:53.280 And he was like, yeah, I could get you a ride on one.

00:30:56.340 Really totally casually.

00:30:58.640 So much so that I was like, this guy's full of shit.

00:31:01.140 Right?

00:31:01.660 Immediately, I'm like, no fucking way.

00:31:04.480 Whatever.

00:31:04.860 And I did meet him a second time at his home in Tangier, and there was some weird stuff.

00:31:12.940 Like, it was a home that absolutely was beyond the means of a normal, like, it was weird.

00:31:24.220 His neighbor was the Spanish princess.

00:31:26.680 Like, it was bizarre.

00:31:28.880 He had some assets that made no sense for an unemployed dude just hanging out.

00:31:33.120 And so, wait, wait, what was, to go back to that for a second, he, they engineered an

00:31:37.980 anti-gravity chamber in the thorax of a, of a bee?

00:31:41.640 Is that what you said?

00:31:41.920 So they discovered it in the thorax of the bee, and they used that, is what he said.

00:31:46.760 They reverse-engineered this concept and built craft.

00:31:49.720 That is interesting.

00:31:51.700 That's not the first time that I've heard that, actually.

00:31:54.320 Something, top, weren't we just learning something somewhere about this, the properties of certain

00:31:59.620 insects, uh, and, and sort of like the patterns on their shells or all these different things.

00:32:05.140 And, and that, was it, yeah, that's right.

00:32:08.120 It was Justin from, uh, from cryptids of the corn.

00:32:10.660 And he was saying that, uh, basically there's a, a, a weight discrepancy where these, uh,

00:32:16.040 insects shouldn't be able to experience lift and flight, uh, in comparison to the weight

00:32:20.520 of them and the size of their wings and, and things of that nature.

00:32:23.340 And that there's something else in effect there.

00:32:25.580 That's really interesting.

00:32:26.680 Absolutely.

00:32:26.800 An anti-gravity chamber within.

00:32:29.520 Yeah.

00:32:29.680 He was saying it's like a, the rabbit hole gets deeper.

00:32:33.780 Yeah.

00:32:34.680 He was saying it's a frequency thing or an acoustic thing with their shell and how they're

00:32:38.720 vibrating in a certain way.

00:32:40.040 It was, it was going towards that.

00:32:41.800 I know exactly.

00:32:42.780 That's where all the research kind of puddles out.

00:32:45.320 And, um, the, the, actually, so the, um, the myth that honeybees are too heavy to fly

00:32:53.000 has been around for a couple of decades.

00:32:54.960 No one knows exactly where it came from, but the story is always told like it's MIT or Princeton

00:33:00.200 or whatever.

00:33:00.800 And some mathematicians are hanging out and one day they just are being geniuses.

00:33:05.340 And they're like, let's do the math of honeybee flight.

00:33:07.900 And they figured out it doesn't work.

00:33:09.360 Their wings are too small.

00:33:10.820 And that's true.

00:33:11.940 It doesn't work in the traditional flight sense.

00:33:14.300 Now the explanation is that they use a special whirlwind pattern.

00:33:18.880 They have these extra muscles in their back and that gives them this extra lift that they

00:33:24.120 need.

00:33:24.960 Um, that being said, there is still a mystery specifically with honeybees, um, because,

00:33:31.860 uh, they have this thing that researchers call the economy mode and that's when they're carrying

00:33:38.100 pollen.

00:33:38.780 They're actually using less energy.

00:33:40.800 They're breathing slower.

00:33:41.760 They're flapping slower.

00:33:42.720 And this goes against all known aerodynamics.

00:33:46.380 It's still this weird mystery.

00:33:48.580 Um, so it's kind of one of these myths that's half true, half, you know, pop culture.

00:33:53.960 I think it's at the beginning of the Jerry Seinfeld B movie.

00:33:57.620 It says, I was just going to say, like, it's an, it's another like in plain sight sort of

00:34:03.200 thing.

00:34:03.420 Like if, if they are doing this, it's like, here, fucking Jerry, go make this dumb movie.

00:34:06.980 And I've watched it a hundred times in the very beginning.

00:34:09.480 You're right.

00:34:09.720 It does say is like, we're not supposed to be able to fly yet.

00:34:12.340 We do.

00:34:12.660 And it's like the rest of the movie is just glorifying the bee colony.

00:34:15.720 Like it's very strange.

00:34:17.500 If you think about it from this lens.

00:34:19.000 It is an interesting concept.

00:34:20.780 So, and there's also really other in regards to the shells having, um, interesting color

00:34:28.220 and properties.

00:34:28.940 There's a lot of good research into that in regards to scarab beetles.

00:34:32.240 That's going to tie back in here in a minute.

00:34:34.540 Um, there's really a lot of bizarre aspects about heavy flying insects.

00:34:40.160 Um, but it's not really considered like that big of a mystery.

00:34:45.340 It's the kind of overinflated a bit.

00:34:47.980 Um, and it always comes up with these kinds of things about frequency and stuff.

00:34:52.860 And that's close, but I think it's, we tapped on to something a little stranger again.

00:34:58.300 Now buckle your tinfoil hat down.

00:35:00.960 Something a little stranger than what we just said.

00:35:03.100 Super glue it down because this is where it gets weird.

00:35:05.720 So after doing all the scientific research into it, um, and this was after, by the way,

00:35:11.340 I had put that on the back burner for years and I had mentioned it only briefly in a paragraph,

00:35:16.920 um, in my first book, when I was talking about the UFO and Nazi connection, um, and specifically

00:35:24.220 the, the bell, um, you know, this idea that the Nazis had designed a flying machine in that

00:35:31.180 bell, which historians say was a nuclear centrifuge, but the conspiracy theorists say it was a

00:35:38.340 UFO anti-gravity generator.

00:35:41.100 Um, you know, it kind of looks like a bee's ass if you flip it upside down.

00:35:44.880 I said, and I was like, I met a crazy guy who told me it was bees.

00:35:48.620 So maybe if it is just bees, the Nazis could have figured that out.

00:35:51.620 Why not?

00:35:52.000 Um, and a couple of years later, I was doing a podcast with a guy who had read the book

00:35:57.540 and was like that paragraph jumped out at me because my best friend, when I was growing

00:36:02.600 up, his dad worked for the military.

00:36:05.180 He would never be, he was not allowed to tell us anything about what he did specifically.

00:36:09.620 He would only tell the kids when they were kids, um, a man in black, like in the movies,

00:36:13.840 that's all you would tell them.

00:36:15.440 And so they know he had something to do with like UFOs and aliens and things.

00:36:19.200 And when this guy was on his deathbed, um, which was early, I'm just going to loop back

00:36:24.720 into, um, they asked him, well, like, what can you tell us anything about like the UFOs?

00:36:31.420 Like what, what's just, what can you tell us?

00:36:34.140 Tell us something.

00:36:35.120 And all he would say was look at the bees, look at the bees.

00:36:39.480 Um, and so, yeah, I'm getting to that guy, dude, Victor Gravitakov.

00:36:45.140 Thank you, YouTube commenter.

00:36:46.760 If you're not watching the live shows, he, he, he knows, shout out, shout out to

00:36:51.700 Victor Gravitakov.

00:36:54.300 So that's where this fun fact, I've actually seen this guy's dick, this guy, I'm sure it's

00:37:01.500 impressive covered in beetle exoskeletons.

00:37:04.940 Um, most effective birth control.

00:37:11.920 So Victor Gravitakov was a Russian entomologist.

00:37:15.880 And so this is where I started doing some bizarre research.

00:37:19.560 And the research itself was strange because the guy uncovering it, he was doing this all

00:37:24.940 in the early 2000s.

00:37:26.320 He ran a website called Keely net and he went just dark one day on the internet vanished.

00:37:32.560 All the social media stopped, the website got shut down.

00:37:36.540 No word from it.

00:37:37.720 And like his, his dead Twitter page can still be like found.

00:37:41.680 Um, I don't know, maybe not simply exit.

00:37:44.900 Um, but this Keely net guy was obsessed with all kinds of free energy research.

00:37:52.240 Anyone who complained, uh, who claimed to have built some kind of anti-gravity device or like

00:37:59.500 the Brazilian dude who said he made a combustion engine using salt water instead of gas.

00:38:05.040 Um, the namesake of the website, Keely was a dude from the 1800s who said he discovered this,

00:38:11.680 um, this magical air fluid.

00:38:15.080 And, um, after he died, they said, oh, he was just using compressed air to like fake all

00:38:20.840 of this shit.

00:38:21.680 He was full of it.

00:38:23.480 Um, because he had all these pipes running through might not have been full of it anyway.

00:38:27.960 And the last thing he was working on was, um, he was working with the son of Victor

00:38:33.420 Grabennikov to get translations of, um, Grabennikov's memoirs.

00:38:38.400 And even though this website went down, his memoir can still be found.

00:38:42.040 It's in Russian, but you know, you can get some rough translations of it done.

00:38:46.560 Um, and I've had a couple of Russian friends actually helped me with some of the more specific

00:38:51.540 bits and like translating it.

00:38:54.520 And it's, it's the memoirs of an entomologist of the bug scientist, except for chapter 13,

00:39:01.820 where he's like, oh yeah.

00:39:03.100 And one time I built a UFO really bizarre.

00:39:08.400 Wait a second, how, how exciting does this dude find bugs that he only dedicates one

00:39:13.320 fucking chapter to the UFO he invented and the rest of the chapters are still about bugs?

00:39:17.580 Yes, exactly.

00:39:19.220 Just talking about the beauty of nature.

00:39:23.020 They're like, they're like, they love animals so much, but they're like, I just, I texted Justin

00:39:28.740 last night.

00:39:29.220 I was like, have you ever seen this hairy frog?

00:39:30.720 And he was like, yeah, yeah.

00:39:31.800 It was kind of like brought up.

00:39:33.120 And then he told me a story when I was like, fucking this guy, just, you just know that

00:39:35.780 like over the top of your head.

00:39:36.920 It's just crazy.

00:39:38.580 He's the type of dude that if he created a UFO, he'd be like, yeah, but we're going to

00:39:41.400 talk about this kind of, you know, rare.

00:39:43.900 But you know about the wild Madagascar snail?

00:39:47.720 It has the largest shell known to man.

00:39:50.000 We're like, dude, you made a UFO.

00:39:51.700 Yeah.

00:39:52.160 But this shell though.

00:39:53.540 No, that was, it's funny you noticed that detail because on the projects I'm working

00:40:00.440 on, that's something that pops up again and again with these scientists who have some

00:40:05.860 of the better claims of building this similar technology.

00:40:09.540 One, them being a naturalist, you know, not related to propulsion in any way.

00:40:16.020 They come out a total left field, different field, and come up with some kind of bizarre

00:40:20.620 propulsion or similar-esque device.

00:40:25.720 Two, those devices, while they have some kind of weird UFO connection or whatever, these dudes

00:40:31.840 almost always insist their main benefit is medicinal.

00:40:37.340 Gerbenikov is the same, but he built a bunch of devices using the same principle.

00:40:41.480 They're in a museum in like a university in Siberia.

00:40:45.720 And I actually had like planned to go there a few years back, like pre-Ukraine war.

00:40:51.340 That's how long I've been working on the project.

00:40:54.120 And basically just had to put a kibosh on that whole, like that's, it was going to be a

00:40:59.100 whole thing and I was going to focus purely on Gerbenikov.

00:41:02.300 And so because of the war, I've had to spread out my research into different avenues, but

00:41:07.820 I found quite literally endless piles of, of research of similar guys with similar stories.

00:41:16.860 But Gerbenikov story is that, you know, he's a bug guy.

00:41:22.060 One day he's looking at bug samples under a microscope, specifically these wing covers.

00:41:27.440 Um, and interestingly, he says in the book that he doesn't want to tell you what bug it

00:41:33.800 was because he feared that people would harvest them too much and the population would already

00:41:39.300 decline from what it's is now.

00:41:41.640 He implied in the nineties, the population of this bug had been falling.

00:41:46.340 And if he revealed that he worried it would go extinct from people.

00:41:50.240 Do you think, do you think there's any overlap with that?

00:41:53.620 And the fact that like bees are kind of like disappearing.

00:41:56.820 So again, tinfoil hats secure.

00:42:01.680 Coincidence is not causation, whatever, blah, blah.

00:42:05.640 But if you do look at a graph of bee populations and put one of UFO sightings, they are an X,

00:42:13.420 dude.

00:42:14.060 UFO sightings go up and bee populations drop consistently over the years.

00:42:21.100 The fucking idea that the government is mass murdering bees.

00:42:24.280 We thought it was so that they can control like the crops and shit.

00:42:26.900 They're like, no, bitch, we're making flying.

00:42:28.840 A vital part of anti-gravity technology is with insect shells.

00:42:35.480 Yep.

00:42:35.940 Holy shit.

00:42:36.840 That's pretty much this concept.

00:42:38.800 And so Grabennikov was looking at these shells under a microscope and he noticed they would

00:42:43.660 hover a little bit before they'd like come to rest.

00:42:46.560 And he kept trying it and trying it, thought it was maybe static electricity or whatever.

00:42:50.640 And eventually he came up with the idea to stitch a bunch of them together, like with

00:42:54.380 copper cord and shit, wired them into like a sheet, and then eventually folded these sheets

00:43:01.520 into these boxes.

00:43:03.280 And supposedly this box, you would touch it.

00:43:06.420 And there's video out there.

00:43:07.580 We can't say how legit the video is.

00:43:09.720 It's fucking grainy as shit.

00:43:11.280 It could be, who knows.

00:43:12.520 But there's a supposed video of this and he tapped it and it kind of flies up to the ceiling

00:43:17.820 and then kind of like floats gingerly down like a balloon.

00:43:20.480 It's kind of boxed the size of a brick.

00:43:24.060 And then he did the next logical thing and he strapped a bunch of these boxes together

00:43:30.540 on the bottom of what is essentially a pallet, like a wooden pallet, slapped some handlebars

00:43:36.320 on that bitch and created this flying craft.

00:43:41.060 And so-

00:43:41.500 I've seen that shit.

00:43:42.520 I've seen fucking, is there videos of it?

00:43:44.660 There's a photo of him supposedly on it.

00:43:47.820 And there is a video of a dude flying a weird thing, but that is actually miscredited as

00:43:54.220 Gerbenikov.

00:43:55.180 That video is from a military infantry test from like the 1980s or whatever.

00:44:02.560 Yeah, I remember it being associated with the military.

00:44:04.640 Those motherfuckers got me?

00:44:05.760 Is that what just happened?

00:44:06.560 So that one, every time I see a Gerbenikov video, dude, talk about controlled fucking narrative.

00:44:12.520 Every time I see a Gerbenikov video that's been inserted, even though I've, it's plain easy

00:44:18.560 to trace that that comes from this 1980s.

00:44:21.480 It uses helicopter.

00:44:22.560 It's a helicopter.

00:44:23.520 It's like the drones they use now.

00:44:26.220 It's just the dude standing on one of those.

00:44:29.440 Motherfucker, dude.

00:44:30.060 I thought I saw some cool shit.

00:44:31.080 But it's always attributed to Gerbenikov, which again, rings a little bit of an alarm bell in

00:44:35.760 my mind.

00:44:36.440 Every time.

00:44:37.860 It's interesting.

00:44:38.380 Just a small discrediting, right?

00:44:40.640 Yeah.

00:44:41.060 Because the only thing associated with it can be like, no, that's not even, that's not it.

00:44:44.980 Yeah.

00:44:45.320 Because once you look into that aspect.

00:44:47.680 Yeah.

00:44:47.980 Well, that's fake.

00:44:48.820 They must be faking the rest of it.

00:44:50.380 It's probably.

00:44:50.800 And then again, the photos, the supposed real photos of him are not impressive.

00:44:55.400 It's a guy on a thing.

00:44:56.900 And then it's like the thing hovering a little bit.

00:44:59.100 He very well could have just jumped.

00:45:01.820 Like, hell.

00:45:02.140 It's like on an old school Segway.

00:45:04.320 Yeah.

00:45:04.520 It's kind of like those Enfield poltergeist photos where it's like the girls being thrown,

00:45:10.300 but they're just hovering.

00:45:11.220 They're like hovering over their bed.

00:45:13.020 They could have just jumped.

00:45:14.700 You know?

00:45:15.260 Yeah.

00:45:17.640 But supposedly this craft was incapable of incredible flight.

00:45:22.380 It could fly up, down, all around.

00:45:25.240 And go very incredible speeds, though he did not take it that fast.

00:45:29.540 Because again, it was just the pallet and handlebars.

00:45:31.880 Like he would only kind of, you know, take it slightly.

00:45:35.880 And he believed that it created this kind of independent bubble around it that was able

00:45:42.520 to travel without any kind of friction.

00:45:46.160 And so that's why friction from gravity, friction from air, friction from anything.

00:45:50.820 It was just frictionless travel in this bubble created by the mass of insect shells, presumably.

00:45:57.000 What got interesting, though, because at this part point, I'm like, all right, this is pretty fucking crazy.

00:46:05.920 Like this is, it sounds pretty nonsensical, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it's out there.

00:46:13.040 And the thing that kind of perked my attention was he rattled off the side effects of operating this craft.

00:46:20.000 And it was almost a mirror image of the side effects I wrote in my first book comparing the psychedelic experience to the paranormal experience.

00:46:29.440 So he said, most interestingly, when he took the first flight around his little university town in remote Siberia,

00:46:39.380 they, next day, people had obviously seen him flying about, but no one said they saw a Russian scientist, you know, flying a pallet thing.

00:46:49.220 They said that they saw these glowing disks in the sky.

00:46:52.760 And they followed the same flight patterns he did and all this.

00:46:56.120 And he noted throughout the rest of the travels, anytime someone looked up, they would see these glowing geometric shapes, triangles, disks, tubes.

00:47:06.640 He rattled off the UFO shapes.

00:47:09.260 Am I to understand that there's correlating eyewitness testimony to go along with this guy's claiming to have flown his fucking pallet through the year?

00:47:17.540 So, according to his son and his own writings, because, again, those corroborating witnesses are Siberian peasants.

00:47:29.480 Yeah, we can't listen to them.

00:47:31.260 They don't count.

00:47:32.020 Well, hey, man, I was willing to go out there and, like, ask them, because there are physical traits.

00:47:36.980 This dude was real.

00:47:38.400 He was absolutely 100% a real person.

00:47:41.780 He worked at a university.

00:47:42.660 It wasn't that long ago, so people would – this would still be something that's in the –

00:47:46.860 Yeah, I plan to go out there and ask about it, despite being almost potentially thrown in a gulag over it.

00:47:53.660 Because it's the same thing I did in Chile.

00:47:55.600 I went down to find this friendship group.

00:47:57.900 I love going to these places, especially when they tell me I can't or shouldn't.

00:48:02.740 I suggest you hold off until, like, the Ukraine war is over.

00:48:05.800 Oh, yeah, dude, I'm rooting for those guys.

00:48:08.120 Take it over, I say.

00:48:09.480 I was – what was the mercenary guy?

00:48:11.900 I was his number one fucking proponent, man.

00:48:14.700 I was like, take him over.

00:48:16.960 He'll just charge you money to get in, I'm sure.

00:48:19.660 It'll be fucking great.

00:48:21.660 That is true.

00:48:22.540 Yeah, then it's a pay-to-play state, and you just get in there with enough cash.

00:48:26.000 Yeah.

00:48:26.640 I never thought about that.

00:48:27.020 It's a lot less convoluted.

00:48:28.460 You're like, at least you know what the fuck's up.

00:48:30.340 No, hey, it was worth a shot.

00:48:32.760 Rest in peace, mercenaries, drug lord, or whatever the fuck in this deal is.

00:48:37.960 The Wagner group, wasn't it?

00:48:40.220 Yeah.

00:48:41.360 Horrible criminals, I'm sure all of them.

00:48:46.580 Each their own.

00:48:48.820 So these people, they see what looks like a disc instead of a pallet.

00:48:56.800 And this is reminding me of what you were suggesting before, right,

00:49:00.860 where it's like whatever this propulsion source is,

00:49:04.260 it may create some sort of hallucinogenic distortion

00:49:08.500 amongst the people who are witnessing it.

00:49:10.860 And so that is what he also noted,

00:49:12.760 is that when he would land the craft in the same place over and over again,

00:49:19.600 that place would start having paranormal activity,

00:49:24.640 lots of poltergeist activities, weird bangs, weird noises,

00:49:27.760 lots of strange interactions, things moving on their own.

00:49:36.100 Interestingly, when he would drop something off the side of the craft while in flight,

00:49:40.820 it would disappear.

00:49:41.940 It wouldn't fall straight down to the ground.

00:49:43.700 It would disappear.

00:49:44.500 And on one instance, he did so over an apartment building.

00:49:47.460 And that apartment building started to have weird paranormal activity.

00:49:51.220 Specifically, there were a lot of tiny little burnt holes,

00:49:55.300 perfectly round, melted holes in people's windows.

00:50:00.400 And on one instance, he found a test tube that he had dropped was fused into the glass

00:50:06.040 of one of these windows, which, again, lines up with a lot of paranormal cases.

00:50:12.420 The Philadelphia experiment supposedly had a bunch of weird teleportations and fusings.

00:50:17.280 But interestingly, the little holes in the window is a super niche detail a lot of people would overlook.

00:50:24.500 But that occurred in the Mothman cases a lot.

00:50:27.660 John Keel noticed that a lot of the houses where the Mothman had flown over

00:50:31.820 had these similar little holes in their window.

00:50:34.780 And he just was totally perplexed by them.

00:50:38.060 That's really strange.

00:50:39.080 That reminds me of within the 9-11 truther community,

00:50:41.800 there are some people who believe that there was a hurricane off the coast of New York City

00:50:46.900 at the time of the planes.

00:50:49.600 And that there is a strange thing with storms and electromagnetic disturbances

00:50:54.640 that breaks structures down on a molecular level

00:50:57.980 and allows for things that shouldn't be able to be in another thing.

00:51:03.000 For example, in tornadoes and such, there are these images of pieces of straw

00:51:10.860 driven through metal siding in houses and shit.

00:51:15.680 And it doesn't make sense that something that's not as rigid would be able to fucking go through it.

00:51:21.860 But the explanation there is supposedly that there is an electromagnetic disturbance

00:51:26.800 generated by this storm.

00:51:28.060 And it's literally breaking things down on a molecular level.

00:51:32.160 It's making them sort of unsteady for a period of time.

00:51:37.320 And it allows for things to pass through under the right circumstances.

00:51:40.440 If you look at the simulation theory, I'm not as big of a fan of it as I was before.

00:51:47.080 But if you kind of overload a computer and kind of run it at a high capacity,

00:51:52.720 which a natural disaster would be, or some of these large events,

00:51:56.160 yeah, maybe shit gets fucked up for a quick second.

00:51:59.120 And we're like, well, now I'm a piece of glass stuck in, you know,

00:52:01.620 a testicle stuck in a glass.

00:52:03.760 Your example of the tornado, I think, is quite poignant.

00:52:08.000 Because that seems to be, again, so in popular literature,

00:52:15.340 paranormal conspiracy stuff, this always is attributed to frequencies.

00:52:20.700 That's the new age buzzword we like to put.

00:52:24.580 It must vibrate and it must register at a certain frequency.

00:52:30.100 I'm a frequency guy.

00:52:33.440 Well, you're not necessarily wrong.

00:52:36.020 I think frequency is one of the factors, as well as vortices,

00:52:40.100 because that keeps popping up, not only with the bees,

00:52:42.880 but with one of the other German scientists who happened to work on the Bell project

00:52:47.760 was really into vortices and seemed to discover something similar to Gerbinikov.

00:52:54.640 But quickly, before we get into that weird shit,

00:52:59.000 the wrap-up Gerbinikov story was that he was operating these craft.

00:53:06.000 Oh, and my favorite other detail, again, he could have made this all up.

00:53:10.820 He might have read a Russian copy of Mothman Prophecies

00:53:14.780 and, like, really picked out these super niche details.

00:53:18.020 It's possible.

00:53:19.340 But I was getting more and more convinced.

00:53:21.280 The most interesting bit was that he put a larva –

00:53:27.700 no, it was a fully grown insect.

00:53:29.560 I always mix it up when I tell this story.

00:53:31.980 But I believe it was a fully grown insect into one of these test tubes,

00:53:36.280 put it in his pocket, flew back to his lab when –

00:53:40.980 like an hour or so, hour and a half, back to his lab.

00:53:44.780 And this created the first fucking insectoid?

00:53:47.440 The first, like, fucking –

00:53:49.980 Not quite, but something equally bizarre.

00:53:52.940 He pulled it out, and the fully grown insect was now in a larval state.

00:53:57.080 It had regressed back in time, essentially.

00:54:01.980 And so after using this thing for a while, he noted a couple things.

00:54:06.880 That, one, a bunch of weird shit was happening.

00:54:08.860 So, like, if it did that to a bug, what is it doing to my organs?

00:54:12.640 Like, when I'm flying around using this thing.

00:54:16.660 But also, again, that one guy who died early from being a man in black.

00:54:22.380 Interesting.

00:54:22.660 But he also said that UFOs were being seen all over the globe while he was doing this.

00:54:33.820 Like, he wasn't – he was clearly aware that people were also seeing glowing disks

00:54:37.460 in, you know, the U.S. and South America.

00:54:40.000 And he quickly determined that, well, someone else has discovered this,

00:54:43.740 and they're not going public with it.

00:54:45.420 They're not talking about it.

00:54:46.580 Like, you know, he lived in a – lived through the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:54:52.360 And so he was like, I'm not telling the fuck all.

00:54:54.400 Like, I'll write a chapter in my memoirs on my deathbed,

00:54:58.220 but I'm not, like – I'm putting this thing up.

00:55:00.360 Like, I'm not using it because it will only lead to trouble for me and my family.

00:55:05.840 And a reasonable conclusion.

00:55:08.360 He supposedly folded it up and put it away,

00:55:11.020 and it's somewhere in Siberia, that flying fucking pallet UFO.

00:55:18.240 And again, Keeley was in touch with –

00:55:22.080 That you would – it's not going to bring you anything good.

00:55:25.640 I mean, genuinely.

00:55:26.600 Like, if I'm just trying to, you know, kind of brainstorm myself.

00:55:29.560 Like, if I were to do something like that in my garage and all of a sudden I –

00:55:32.980 like, my joy of, like, wow, look at the thing that I did.

00:55:36.860 This is incredible, would immediately be eclipsed by, like, shit.

00:55:40.840 This is not going to – did my neighbors see that?

00:55:44.040 Everybody's got ring cameras.

00:55:45.660 Fuck, dude.

00:55:46.220 The CIA is going to shoot me in the chest.

00:55:48.740 Exactly, yeah.

00:55:49.860 So you really can't – we can't have fucking anything nice.

00:55:53.280 Mm-hmm.

00:55:55.680 So –

00:55:56.200 That's incredible.

00:55:56.840 This – again, incredible story, but it was – I kind of ran up into that same wall.

00:56:05.780 Well, okay, if this is the technology, then I've got the same issue

00:56:08.680 Grubinikov's come up against where there is a wall

00:56:12.740 where people aren't going public with it.

00:56:16.280 But that doesn't mean you can't trace the steps of this.

00:56:21.180 It's like any other scientific process.

00:56:23.080 And in my new writing project, I compare it in the introduction

00:56:26.760 to the Manhattan Project, where every time that story's told,

00:56:31.700 it's told with this gusto about how it was such a top-secret project.

00:56:38.780 And no one knew we were doing it and how far along we were.

00:56:41.940 And da-da-da-da.

00:56:43.220 And that latter part was true.

00:56:45.580 No one knew, like, how far along or what exactly the end goal was.

00:56:49.720 They knew it was a weapon.

00:56:50.880 But, you know, the guesses ranged.

00:56:54.620 But there were plenty of people to guess because if you were in

00:56:57.580 a nuclear physics class at the time, your professor was just fucking gone.

00:57:03.780 You know what I mean?

00:57:05.060 Like, if you were in any of the top universities

00:57:07.600 and any of the Western allies, you would have noticed that,

00:57:13.420 oh, fucking, you know, the PhD candidate, the Nobel laureate,

00:57:17.180 all those guys are missing.

00:57:18.380 They usually work here.

00:57:19.340 Where are they?

00:57:20.000 I don't know.

00:57:20.760 They're mails being forwarded to Nevada.

00:57:23.440 Like, oh, well, Americans must be working on something, huh?

00:57:27.820 Like, it was a clear conclusion for anyone who was looking directly.

00:57:32.440 And I think they learned from that lesson by making sure that these people

00:57:38.920 don't even enter the academic field at any level.

00:57:42.260 They poach them real early and real quick.

00:57:45.260 And there's been a lot of people in modern times,

00:57:48.000 like the last few decades, who have come up with similar technologies

00:57:51.680 and then they just, their company just disappears.

00:57:56.460 Can't find them on LinkedIn anymore.

00:57:58.060 They're just gone.

00:57:59.540 And it's like, huh, well, I wonder what happened to that.

00:58:03.700 Those guys are either at the bottom of the ocean or they're fucking millionaires

00:58:07.660 in an island somewhere for pawning off their latest upgrade to this potentially UFO technology.

00:58:15.820 I just want to say that I don't want to derail you, but I do want you to keep in mind,

00:58:25.580 my next question has got to be, if not just government operations, what else?

00:58:33.400 But please continue.

00:58:34.640 But you got to know that that's where we're going next.

00:58:37.360 Oh, yeah.

00:58:38.900 Well, to expand on that, this kind of research and looking into that,

00:58:48.960 I kind of, again, kept hitting against that wall, whether it was frequency or chi or whatever,

00:58:55.800 this kind of became this new age catch-all when I tried to do further research past these people's lives.

00:59:04.100 Wilhelm Reich's a good example of that.

00:59:05.900 I don't know if you guys are familiar with orgone and orgone energy.

00:59:10.600 That's a huge rabbit hole.

00:59:12.680 I'm sure you can – I'll find someone to recommend to have on the show for that one.

00:59:16.860 Okay.

00:59:17.100 We probably will do it a little more justice than I will.

00:59:20.220 But he studied – Wilhelm Reich studied under Freud.

00:59:23.020 He was in the same class as Carl Jung.

00:59:25.560 They were colleagues.

00:59:27.940 His whole thing was about sexual potency and, like, the orgasm and how, like, it can be used as a healing force.

00:59:35.940 And eventually, to yada yada through this, he built big old orgone accumulators,

00:59:42.720 which people would sit in and it would cure them of diseases, even cancers, he would claim.

00:59:48.180 And he also built a thing he called the cloudbuster, which could create rainstorms or dissipate rainstorms.

00:59:57.180 And he found an interesting third use could be used to shoot down UFOs.

01:00:02.340 And so, it's really interesting.

01:00:06.700 But, again, a little of that controlled illusionment.

01:00:10.160 If you go into any kind of new age crystal shop these days, you can buy an orgone accumulator.

01:00:15.180 You'll see them.

01:00:15.820 They're little resin pyramids with, like, copper dust and crystals and a bunch of shit in them,

01:00:20.980 which have absolutely nothing to do with Reich's work.

01:00:25.620 And we know that because there's pictures of what the old orgone accumulators look like.

01:00:30.660 But we don't know much more beyond that because his story ends in one of the sadder ways these stories end.

01:00:37.980 Instead of just disappearing, he gets teslaed, where he is actually arrested directly by the ATF.

01:00:46.060 He's put into prison for selling false medical equipment, which, again, is neither alcohol, tobacco, or firearms.

01:00:53.560 So, it's totally, like, a weird operation from the get.

01:00:57.680 But all of his writings and books and his, like, research compound, Orgonone, which is in Maine.

01:01:05.000 You can go and see it.

01:01:05.900 It's still a museum to his work.

01:01:08.100 All of his writings and research are confiscated and a few days later are burned in New York.

01:01:13.580 Thousands and thousands of pages of documents, all torched.

01:01:17.560 So, none of his research continued.

01:01:20.000 None of it.

01:01:20.500 And he died a few months later in prison.

01:01:23.560 And so, again, I think he was probably onto something.

01:01:29.320 It's like, all right, yeah, it sounds crazy.

01:01:31.880 He could have been a kook.

01:01:32.800 But then why do you not just let an old kook die an old kook?

01:01:37.200 Why do you kill him in prison?

01:01:38.780 Why do you burn all of his research?

01:01:40.900 That shit is fucking crazy.

01:01:42.380 Why do you burn it?

01:01:43.600 Because if you're burning it, that means, like, they already know.

01:01:47.740 Right?

01:01:47.960 Exactly.

01:01:48.900 So.

01:01:50.300 That's what's the interesting part.

01:01:51.900 Because this was, again, the 80s.

01:01:54.860 And by that time, pretty sure the UFOs he was shooting down were government UFOs.

01:02:01.020 I think those were already.

01:02:02.860 So, when they got this.

01:02:03.760 Holy shit.

01:02:04.660 And this regular fucking dude figured out how to shoot them.

01:02:07.260 Shoot them down by accident.

01:02:08.720 And so, they fucking came in, threw him in prison, and fucking burned all of his shit.

01:02:14.520 They probably, like, charged him with murder.

01:02:17.160 If there's, like, government employees just flying in, he just killed Bill or something.

01:02:20.740 Bill was on his lunch break.

01:02:21.600 Well, the interesting part is he became super paranoid.

01:02:24.580 He was convinced they were aliens.

01:02:26.060 And he was constantly talking to the Air Force Base nearby and being like, help me out.

01:02:32.220 He said they sent fighter jets on one occasion.

01:02:35.040 Like, he was in constant congress with them.

01:02:37.820 And it seems like, through his writings, the ones that we have, through his son and a couple of his ex-wives, notorious poonhound, this guy.

01:02:46.940 Big surprise from the orgasm potency dude.

01:02:50.660 He was fucking everybody's wives.

01:02:53.620 But, other than that, he seemed to be a pretty good scientist.

01:02:58.260 But, his wives and children wrote these, you know, their versions of the story.

01:03:10.020 And it seems from their accounts that the Air Force was constantly goading them on.

01:03:13.980 Like, they were fucking with them.

01:03:16.160 And so, again, I think it's one of these parts of these stories that is a consistent factor.

01:03:23.300 They had over-under bets on how many fucking UFOs he was going to be able to take down that week.

01:03:29.420 Absolutely.

01:03:30.080 They were trying to bump those numbers up.

01:03:32.640 Hey, man.

01:03:33.460 They've got to kill cows.

01:03:35.460 They've got to probe anuses.

01:03:38.520 That's it.

01:03:39.680 And this seems very...

01:03:40.140 They've got to fucking kill some mad scientists.

01:03:42.960 That all seems very much governmental.

01:03:45.500 And I can get behind that, right?

01:03:46.940 There's always, like, a military scientific angle to those things.

01:03:51.940 But then there is...

01:03:53.360 I mean, before when we were discussing how one minute you'll go to...

01:03:59.360 This is all kind of a psychedelic experience.

01:04:01.360 And then maybe the next something will happen.

01:04:03.160 You'll go, no, this is actually aliens.

01:04:05.280 I'm of the school of thought where it's a wide variety of things.

01:04:09.520 And one of the greatest examples of that that I've heard recently was Justin of Cryptids of the Corn saying that he believes a very small percentage of these things are actually organic beings.

01:04:21.920 Yeah, I love that one.

01:04:23.280 Fucking upper atmospheric fungi.

01:04:25.680 Fantastic episode.

01:04:26.900 Awesome.

01:04:27.500 I recommend...

01:04:28.200 Yeah, I recommend people go check out Cryptids of the Corn.

01:04:30.460 But I would like to get your thoughts on, like, well, what else do you think it is?

01:04:35.840 Let's...

01:04:36.440 Is there a way we can move away from the nuts and bolts aspects of things?

01:04:40.360 Is there any room in your mind for something that is much more paranormal, less tangible in nature than maybe a mad scientist's palette machine?

01:04:51.020 What we're asking is, were the Nazis talking with entities?

01:04:55.240 Yes, because I just fucking watched Hellboy.

01:04:58.000 And I want to say that, man, I haven't seen the first two Hellboy films in so long.

01:05:02.900 And the first Hellboy film is fucking awesome, dude.

01:05:06.100 Like, it's so good.

01:05:07.020 They're badass, dude.

01:05:07.220 Hell yeah.

01:05:07.740 Dude, they really were.

01:05:08.800 We don't make movies like...

01:05:09.700 Dude, I'm telling you, you have to watch Hellboy, the fucking Ron Perlman.

01:05:12.660 As much as he sucks, that fucking movie is phenomenal.

01:05:15.820 And, you know, the whole thing for the audience...

01:05:18.580 Spoiler alert, motherfuckers.

01:05:20.340 In the beginning, you know, they're infiltrating a sort of a Nazi regime who's in the middle of...

01:05:26.000 If you haven't seen 2004 as Hellboy, spoiler alert.

01:05:30.020 Sign off now.

01:05:31.160 Sorry, guys.

01:05:31.440 I know it's still fucking fresh.

01:05:33.380 But they infiltrate this Nazi...

01:05:36.260 You know, it's not really the Nazis in the movie, but they are the Nazis.

01:05:38.560 It's a placeholder.

01:05:39.440 And they're doing, like, an occult ritual in a rainstorm.

01:05:42.220 And they're trying to summon in to this realm.

01:05:44.280 They're trying to open a portal, and they're trying to bring in some sort of entities into this realm.

01:05:49.400 And one thing leads to another, and it gets shut, but not before Hellboy comes through as a baby.

01:05:55.540 Quite an adorable, bad CGI baby.

01:05:58.980 But, you know...

01:05:59.500 Hey, Chaz.

01:06:00.580 Do you think that these UFOs are possibly creating portals around them?

01:06:05.080 So, yeah.

01:06:07.240 I think that's where this all kind of blends together.

01:06:10.480 That's why this has been the theory I've paid a lot of attention to recently.

01:06:16.700 It's because it's the first one, and everyone tries to sell their universal paranormal theory.

01:06:22.040 They're most bullshit.

01:06:22.960 And I'll be honest.

01:06:23.680 There's plenty of holes.

01:06:24.980 There are plenty of holes to be poked in my B theory.

01:06:27.300 But this is the first one where I've seen it get that close to covering these things.

01:06:34.840 And so, I really think that the...

01:06:40.380 So, let's explore this B theory a little bit.

01:06:43.380 If we're taking it as is.

01:06:48.620 That operating these crafts create, essentially, zones of...

01:06:54.240 We'll call it time-space fluctuation.

01:06:58.300 But weird, spooky shit, in layman's terms.

01:07:02.940 Then I think you can actually find a very interesting paper trail to a lot of, quote-unquote, paranormal locations.

01:07:12.560 Let's take the famous Skinwalker Ranch, which we know was, again, a lot of high strangeness happening out there, according to the previous owners.

01:07:22.180 It was then purchased by Robert Bigelow, who, of course, makes most of his money in the aerospace industry.

01:07:28.180 So, perhaps, if this technology is as it is, then I'm sure corporations have it, just as well as governments.

01:07:37.460 It's not that complex.

01:07:38.960 It's literally bug parts jammed into a fucking pallet.

01:07:42.680 So, anyone can build it.

01:07:46.200 I don't think there's duct tape involved.

01:07:48.080 I'm very upset.

01:07:49.240 No duct tape.

01:07:49.820 Theoretically, not that complex.

01:07:51.780 I mean, beyond me, but obviously, it can be figured out.

01:07:55.840 The CEO of Walmart has five.

01:07:58.840 Well, the reason Skinwalker Ranch is such this famous story and, you know, the Pentagon was paying attention to this research.

01:08:07.840 Bigelow brought in a bunch of academics to study all the paranormal activity happening at this location over a decade.

01:08:13.840 I think that was a – if we're exploring B-theory, that was a research done from a legal perspective.

01:08:25.600 They want to see what kind of liability they have for a location after they've done a bunch of UFO shit at it, right?

01:08:33.440 They want to – it was the first time they were like, okay, well, let's long-term study a location.

01:08:37.740 We know our UFOs have been fucking up this ranch for a decade or whatever.

01:08:41.000 So I'm going to buy it and see what kind of long-term effects it has.

01:08:45.480 How long does that paranormal hangover last?

01:08:48.160 And judging by the TV show, it's about up.

01:08:51.740 It's not much happening anymore.

01:08:53.300 Yeah, right? It's starting to fucking taper off.

01:08:54.860 It's like they're entering the realm of, like, you know, finding Bigfoot where they're now just fucking walking around and screaming into the ether and they're not seeing anything.

01:09:02.160 But it's got a rich history of, like, fucking water babies and all kinds of crazy shit going on there.

01:09:07.380 But exactly, it's one of those damage control research studies corporations like to do.

01:09:14.460 You always hear about it where, like, the tobacco companies knew how bad tobacco was for everybody and they covered it up for years.

01:09:22.240 Like, they had done the research, discovered, oh, shit, this is bad.

01:09:25.440 Well, we can't let people know about it.

01:09:27.780 Bigelow is probably doing a similar thing with UFO research.

01:09:31.500 Wi-Fi. Wi-Fi is next on that list.

01:09:34.240 That's going to be in our list.

01:09:35.160 Oh, yeah, I know.

01:09:35.980 That's putting fucking holes in people's technology.

01:09:38.080 Microwaves is my one, dude.

01:09:40.360 There's no way that's – I use one.

01:09:43.200 I'm still, like, every time I'm like, this is killing me.

01:09:45.800 There's no way it's not.

01:09:47.700 I swear, we've got to be being in a deal with Jesus.

01:09:50.240 Small doses of radiation.

01:09:51.960 There's times where I'm just walking around throughout the day and I get this, like, really weird feeling that I'm not, like, running on all cylinders.

01:09:58.940 Like, I'm like, I feel a little retarded.

01:10:01.320 Like, I should be better.

01:10:02.480 And I don't know what it is because I don't, like, you know, I don't do anything crazy.

01:10:05.940 I eat pretty healthy.

01:10:06.880 I work out.

01:10:07.500 Like, why do I feel fucking stupid?

01:10:09.780 And it's because, yeah, Wi-Fi and microwaves are just filling our brains with holes.

01:10:14.500 That's got to be – I'm not willing to accept anything else.

01:10:16.700 Some places I go into, I'll go into, like, large malls or, like, a Kohl's or something like that.

01:10:23.960 And you go in there and I immediately feel like, like, I don't know what is going on with the shape of this room or the – I don't know what it is.

01:10:31.480 But it fucking takes energy for me.

01:10:32.860 All the malls are big domes and shit.

01:10:34.340 You're like, ooh.

01:10:35.900 There's all kinds of electronics, the fucking phone stores there.

01:10:39.460 I've got a favorite bit on this.

01:10:41.740 It's – I think it's the internet historian.

01:10:44.260 And he talks about in one of his videos.

01:10:45.920 Because he's like, you know, every – like, in a group of rational people, you know, if you say the 5G, any of those conspiracy theories, they're like, oh, that's nonsense.

01:10:56.240 That's crazy.

01:10:57.020 But if you were to, like, hold a Wi-Fi router, say, next to an infant's head, the parents would be like, don't do that, please.

01:11:05.440 Hold on.

01:11:06.080 I thought –

01:11:06.520 Hold it like a gun.

01:11:07.780 Hold on.

01:11:08.260 I thought we didn't believe in this.

01:11:10.600 That's a good point.

01:11:11.540 I feel like if you walk into a Verizon store, too, like all the sales people – everybody in a Verizon store seems retarded.

01:11:17.060 And I think it's because they're the closest to their fucking –

01:11:18.960 They're all just shuffling their feet like this.

01:11:20.720 There's, like, a wall of them, dude.

01:11:21.680 I use T-Mobile, but I can concur.

01:11:24.300 I've told this story.

01:11:25.520 They're all the worst fucked up people.

01:11:26.460 I'll tell you this story, but I've told it on the show a bunch of times.

01:11:28.720 When they sent out that emergency broadcast sometime in October or something like that.

01:11:33.240 October 8th.

01:11:33.540 I put my phone – what was that?

01:11:36.080 October 8th, yeah.

01:11:37.180 October 8th.

01:11:37.900 I put my phone in a Faraday box, bought my kids outside.

01:11:41.240 We sat on the trampoline.

01:11:42.880 Right above us, the trees started vibrating with cicadas all at the same time.

01:11:48.120 I ran to my house, and there was a guy in there doing work.

01:11:51.040 It was a renovation.

01:11:52.620 And I was like, hey, did you hear anything?

01:11:55.400 And his phone goes off.

01:11:56.980 So it was almost like the fucking wave, like, traveled right across, right into the phone.

01:12:01.000 I'm like, yep, they're killing us.

01:12:03.300 It's like nothing you can do.

01:12:06.620 Something's going on.

01:12:07.560 If the crickets reacted to it, it's like, yeah, there's something tangible in the air.

01:12:13.000 We just don't know.

01:12:13.760 It's not the cell phones.

01:12:15.560 The insects are clearly being harvested for UFOs.

01:12:18.640 All right?

01:12:19.980 We already got here.

01:12:21.400 Come on.

01:12:21.800 These cicadas are flying.

01:12:22.680 These cicadas are too heavy to fly.

01:12:24.580 They might be.

01:12:26.040 It's interesting.

01:12:27.160 One of – now, we've been talking, and I call it B-theory.

01:12:31.060 And I like to call it that because it's a little bit of a pun because I still am pretty on board with the psychedelic nature of a lot of this phenomenon.

01:12:39.900 But Gerbenikoff also did heavy research into scarab beetles.

01:12:46.460 And, of course, that gets really interesting because if his technology works as described, theoretically, you could stitch a bunch of scarab beetle wing covers together as well.

01:12:56.780 Because any heavy flying insect would have – so, specifically, he discovered this CSE effect.

01:13:03.720 And this is a real effect.

01:13:06.100 The cavity structure effect.

01:13:08.240 Essentially, anything that has multiple caverns, like a honeybee comb, lots of insect nests.

01:13:13.400 But he also found these rigid patterns under most insect shells that would give off a CSE effect.

01:13:21.040 And he believed that any of these flying, heavy flying insects would have one of these.

01:13:28.240 And his research into scarab beetles perhaps enlightened to that perspective.

01:13:32.400 And if the technology works as described, theoretically, the Egyptians could have stitched a bunch of scarab beetle wing things together, slid it under a giant fucking 12-ton block of stone, and then just have, like, four dudes on each end just, like, lift it.

01:13:48.940 Holding it, yeah.

01:13:50.100 And moving it the way they were.

01:13:50.400 And, like, just hover it a few inches above the ground and just float it into place.

01:13:54.480 Which, I mean, would make a lot of sense.

01:13:58.900 They really had a high level of admiration for the scarab beetle.

01:14:02.860 So, that's very interesting because you could find its iconography all over the hieroglyphics.

01:14:07.680 Specifically at the pyramid sites as well.

01:14:10.860 Yeah.

01:14:11.220 Like, they're showing you, like, yeah, and we fucking use the scarab palette to do it.

01:14:14.800 Everybody knows the scarab palette.

01:14:16.120 We'll just put the fucking – so, that way, people in the future will know.

01:14:18.520 Yeah.

01:14:18.920 Make a fucking scarab palette, honey.

01:14:20.880 That's how you fucking move big rocks.

01:14:22.260 I do tend to believe that that bit of it might have been kept in the Egyptian secret schools because following this train of logic, this history of –

01:14:35.260 How can you control the labor if labor is so effectively done?

01:14:40.840 How do you have a serfdom class if anybody can make a fucking scarab palette and make whatever the fuck they want?

01:14:46.960 You need to – coven, you need to occult these things in order to be able to enslave people.

01:14:53.040 That's fucking interesting.

01:14:54.140 I like that.

01:14:54.520 But where it gets interesting – I mean, I don't like it, but –

01:14:55.960 Where it gets interesting is now enter the Freemasons to the equation where, again, moving large stones, cutting stone, floating it around is their fucking dealio.

01:15:10.960 And that becomes part of this cornerstone.

01:15:14.960 And it follows this logic that we kind of lose it slightly over time because, obviously, they're not building pyramids anymore, but there's still some kind of understanding to it.

01:15:23.360 But then I like to – this might be a little heretical – heretical?

01:15:30.840 Heretical.

01:15:31.440 That was right.

01:15:32.240 Whatever.

01:15:33.120 Don't yell at me, Christians.

01:15:34.600 But if we take the earliest translations of the Bible, Jesus was a Mason.

01:15:39.540 Perhaps he knew how to use fucking bug wig shells to do weird teleportation shit, and that might explain some of that.

01:15:47.220 Or float above the water, perhaps.

01:15:49.700 Or just had fucking sandals with bug shells underneath them, dude, and he's just skating on the water.

01:15:55.600 And them crucifying him was more about, hey, you can't tell peasants about this shit.

01:16:00.860 That's interesting.

01:16:01.960 Have you collected any fucking scarab wings?

01:16:07.920 No, I haven't.

01:16:09.260 I should buy some on the internet.

01:16:10.760 I've been doing a lot of research, and, you know, they have a top-shelf entomology department here in Gainesville.

01:16:18.300 So I'm hoping to talk to somebody about all this crazy shit.

01:16:21.800 I know it's going to be a letdown because they're going to be like, that's crazy.

01:16:25.180 But it's going to be a good chapter in the book.

01:16:27.000 You've got to include it.

01:16:28.580 I wonder, because you know how people do the – they'll take, like, a long pin, and they'll pin insects into frames?

01:16:33.900 Since that is a viable hobby, or, you know, a widespread hobby –

01:16:39.480 Yeah, I bet you can buy them on the internet.

01:16:41.340 I wonder if you could.

01:16:42.500 You could just buy them – fucking Amazon's got, like, all the recipes to make your own floating pallet.

01:16:47.660 They just think you're going to put it in a fucking glass frame.

01:16:50.020 It's like the kid that was – he was, like, harvesting radiation through some, like, kind of, like, weird clocks.

01:16:57.980 Was that the nuclear boy?

01:16:59.740 You remember that guy?

01:17:00.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:17:01.300 He was extracting it.

01:17:02.440 I was like a balloon boy.

01:17:04.140 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:04.800 It was like a clock.

01:17:07.960 This kid's making a fucking nuclear reactor.

01:17:09.900 So, all right, like, we have – how much time do we have?

01:17:15.600 We've got about 15 minutes, and I do want to hear –

01:17:19.620 Oh, hey, you know what?

01:17:22.660 Yeah, I don't want to, like, step on toes.

01:17:25.020 But real quick, before we end, I am excited about this.

01:17:28.580 We've got our own Nephilim shit out there.

01:17:31.760 It's been – I've been working – I've worked really hard to get this stuff up and out.

01:17:35.760 So, yeah, if you're a fan of the show –

01:17:38.120 Yeah, this is – fuck the ad read.

01:17:40.840 This is a – if you're a fan of the show, go check out the merch because it's really cool, really quality stuff, embroidered.

01:17:47.020 I mean, we're doing it right.

01:17:48.760 So, yeah, if you like it, go check it out.

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01:17:51.780 Yeah, absolutely, guys.

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01:17:55.680 I'd be remiss if I didn't say that, yes.

01:17:57.400 Thank you.

01:17:58.460 So, I want to get into sort of the – because I think we're hanging heavily around the tech aspect.

01:18:05.220 And one of the things that you say is pretty interesting to me is this psychedelic aspect.

01:18:10.320 And I wonder in your mind, and I imagine not, does the psychedelic aspect of this entire thing diminish the experience?

01:18:19.380 Or do you engage with the idea at all that, like, just because it's not something that other people can experience at the same time doesn't make it any less real?

01:18:29.620 Because I'm of the school of thought of a lot of these things that people experience is, you know, that maybe a clinical setting would chalk it up to a psychedelic or a hallucinogenic experience.

01:18:41.240 And I kind of go the other way from that.

01:18:43.820 And I think that in the same way that, like, dreams to me are – they're very real, just not in the sense that, you know, this is.

01:18:51.880 But real doesn't just mean you can touch it and you can see it and you can smell it.

01:18:56.000 I think these things are much more than just, you know, nighttime hallucinations, you know, from an androgynous dump of dimethyltryptamine.

01:19:04.140 I think that when you say these experiences are psychedelic in nature as well, these UFO experiences, do you mean to say that that diminishes the reality of the experience?

01:19:14.340 Or is this something that they're experiencing in a realm that just isn't this one?

01:19:20.480 So, yeah, I think it doesn't diminish the reality of it, absolutely.

01:19:27.800 I kind of lean towards the perspective of biocentrism.

01:19:33.000 And that's kind of a step beyond simulation theory, which, again, has its ups and its downs.

01:19:41.160 But I do think it's a good step forward in philosophy.

01:19:44.920 The fact that we can say simulation theory and everyone knows, yeah, like a computer game.

01:19:49.860 That's huge.

01:19:51.600 I think it's close.

01:19:53.720 And biocentrism is this idea that the human mind is a cornerstone of reality or not necessarily the human mind, but biological observance.

01:20:04.840 Without a biological entity to experience reality, reality doesn't occur, not in anywhere close to what it is for us anyways.

01:20:14.200 And so I think that when we start to look at the paranormal through that lens, I think it explains a lot of this phenomenon, where it can be both a psychedelic hallucination and also be something more, be something that actually physically alters reality as well.

01:20:35.940 And I think that pops up a lot in paranormal cases.

01:20:41.460 I think a lot of ghost hunting and things like that are more akin to tulpa generation than they are to, like, you know, there's an old dead soldier and his spirit still walks these halls.

01:20:58.720 Is it something on the sort of like the quantum scale, right?

01:21:04.660 Like what's the double slit test, right?

01:21:06.480 Like the act of observation causes whatever the phenomenon is to happen.

01:21:11.460 But does that mean that the phenomenon is any less real?

01:21:14.900 Right.

01:21:15.260 So the idea there is that these particles, these base units of reality, aren't physical until they're observed.

01:21:23.360 And again, there's a lot of scientists who will explain that better than a paranormal guy will.

01:21:29.780 But that's the gist of it.

01:21:32.180 And that's, again, it's backed up.

01:21:34.900 That seems to be the case with these base units.

01:21:37.660 And so enter the equation of consciousness.

01:21:41.920 What is consciousness?

01:21:43.200 Well, it clearly doesn't occur on anything larger than the particle level, right?

01:21:48.400 Or otherwise we would have a better grasp of it.

01:21:51.160 We would understand what it is.

01:21:52.520 And so if those particles can interact with physical particles, which these experiments show, then, yeah, I think that you can have a psychedelic experience that is physical.

01:22:08.180 And it can be physical for you and not physical for other people.

01:22:13.140 It can be physical for other people as well.

01:22:16.520 And I think this was something that was actually more akin to a science in the Americas before colonialism.

01:22:25.720 I think the shamanism that we dismiss, it always baffles me because everyone knows that these shamans had amazing medicinal cures that they produced from the jungle.

01:22:37.480 And they, even from the get, even the conquistadors recognized that these people were, like, really great doctors.

01:22:45.640 But then this other weird psychedelic shit, well, that's all just woo, nonsense, fake shit.

01:22:51.980 But everyone, every anecdotal story, and even going down and talking to people who've been in those communities, reading books about them.

01:23:01.980 I've just finished two books about the Amazon.

01:23:04.200 I've been in that headspace for a couple, like a month and a half now.

01:23:08.500 But the shaman, even to this day, the few ones that are left will, you know, be able to predict.

01:23:18.680 They'll be like, oh, I'll tell them you're coming.

01:23:21.160 And he'll go into a trance and they'll be like, all right, go ahead.

01:23:24.580 And they'll walk, you know, a week and a half and then canoe another two days up a river and get to this uncontacted tribe.

01:23:30.580 And they're like, oh, yeah, the shaman said you were coming.

01:23:32.140 And what's up, guys?

01:23:34.260 And so they have this consistent, and again, it's nonchalant for them because they understand it the same way we understand using a cell phone.

01:23:45.100 Where if you handed that tribal duty, you'd be like, the fuck is this?

01:23:48.720 Like, how does that work?

01:23:50.700 And we kind of accidentally eliminated that science.

01:23:56.060 But the traces of it, I think, are quite revealing.

01:23:59.000 And most of it involves, essentially, entity work, which is spooky if you're especially really religious.

01:24:08.600 Uh-oh, they might get you.

01:24:10.580 But for the most part, these guys are like, nah, they told us, like, which medicines to use.

01:24:15.640 And, like, you know, they would, like, warn us attacks were coming.

01:24:19.040 And the relationships with entities were much more complex.

01:24:23.200 And I think this is, again, just like the bee theory, this kind of psychic effect was understood by ancient peoples as well in a more practical sense.

01:24:35.340 You know, even the Greeks would, you know, do crazy rituals and sacrifices and shit to gods and the effects.

01:24:45.820 Again, even if that's subconscious and even if the effect is subconscious as we'd understand it in a biocentric world, that subconscious effect manifests physically.

01:24:59.160 Because we create our realities to an extent.

01:25:03.080 I like to call it the 11% principle.

01:25:06.300 And I do that because I'm bad at math.

01:25:08.340 And it puts it right where a spot I can understand it.

01:25:13.160 And this comes from a summary written up by Jeffrey Mishlove.

01:25:17.700 But he talks about, in his Encyclopedia of Consciousness, the telepathy studies that they did throughout the 80s.

01:25:26.920 Everyone remembers those, like, psychic children proven to be real, like, and all those crazy stories.

01:25:33.480 And then they kind of just sputtered out and you never heard about anything ever again about them.

01:25:37.780 Well, there's a really interesting story about why that is.

01:25:40.800 And so, essentially, this started with the random number generator experiments.

01:25:45.420 And so, this would have a participant sitting there and you would think, even number, even number, even number, even number, even number.

01:25:52.460 And hopefully, you'd get an even number on the random number generator.

01:25:56.720 And what they discovered is that they would get more evens than odds, about 11% more than chance.

01:26:03.400 So, like, 61% of them would be evens at the best, like, best case scenario.

01:26:09.440 Which is why I like to call it the 11%.

01:26:11.140 The problem was, and they replicated this a bunch of times, and they were like, cool, published it, boom, look at that, psychic shit is real.

01:26:19.880 About 11% on a good day.

01:26:22.200 And, obviously, skeptical scientists came in and they were like, well, we got to fucking disprove this shit.

01:26:28.920 And they ran the exact same experiment.

01:26:30.660 And what they ended up finding was that they started to get odd numbers when the person was thinking even, more than chance.

01:26:37.780 In fact, on a good day, they'd get 11% more odd numbers than they'd get even numbers.

01:26:44.080 And so, what the conclusion after years of debunking, rebunking, debunking, rebunking, and conducting the experiments from remote locations, the scientists would set it up.

01:26:55.880 No one on one side of this country, the participants wouldn't have any idea of what they were doing other than, okay, sit and think about even numbers, sure.

01:27:05.120 And do that on another side.

01:27:08.440 And still, if they were skeptical scientists, they would get more odd numbers.

01:27:12.320 If they were even slightly wanting to prove it, they would get more even numbers.

01:27:17.680 And so, the conclusion was, well, whatever psychic effect is at play is affected by the group no matter what.

01:27:28.780 Like, no matter distance or whatever, our psychic effect is affecting the experiment.

01:27:35.420 And so, there's no way you can really look at it further.

01:27:39.920 It's the same problem they're having with the SLID experiment where, okay, it doesn't exist unless it's observed.

01:27:47.420 We're observers.

01:27:48.840 Where do we go from here?

01:27:50.400 How can we explore that without being a part of the experiment?

01:27:56.020 And that's where quantum computing comes in, which I can't even begin to even touch any of that shit.

01:28:03.060 But computers, maybe, is the answer.

01:28:06.800 That experiment, right, doesn't that kind of just prove that it is true, though?

01:28:11.960 Because everybody in one group wants it to be disproven.

01:28:16.740 And so, by virtue of that, there's a group of scientists with a vested interest in odds coming up.

01:28:23.060 And then there's your 11%.

01:28:24.740 And then, of course, there's a group that thinks this is intriguing and wants to delve further into it.

01:28:31.300 And so, they are excited about the idea of more evens coming up.

01:28:34.760 And so, now there's a group of scientists that are all sort of aiming at that.

01:28:38.100 So, just by virtue of that, doesn't it mean that it is true?

01:28:41.940 It's just strange.

01:28:43.520 It's strange.

01:28:44.540 And I think it's one of those things where it's still just an uncomfortable subject.

01:28:49.100 Because I think all we kind of know that to be true as human beings.

01:28:53.140 Any athlete will talk about the flow state where they hit that.

01:28:57.640 They're just hitting every ball.

01:29:00.520 They're catching every pass.

01:29:02.200 They're just hitting it.

01:29:03.320 The best game of their lives.

01:29:05.420 They hit that 11%.

01:29:07.660 And I'm sure if you did anything and you were normally great at and then suddenly got an 11% boost at, you'd feel like fucking Superman.

01:29:16.420 You know what I mean?

01:29:17.060 But it's also just 11%.

01:29:22.640 And so, it's not enough to really warrant scientists breaking their back over researching it.

01:29:32.460 You know what I mean?

01:29:33.220 It would be one thing if they discovered doing the experiment, everyone believes in it.

01:29:38.280 Everyone's focused.

01:29:39.380 Everyone believes in even.

01:29:40.760 And they got 100% evens.

01:29:42.060 No, even then, it's still 11% evens at the best.

01:29:47.000 It caps.

01:29:48.440 And so, that kind of effect.

01:29:51.860 It's, again, one of those things where I think about the Battle of Troy.

01:29:55.740 Where the fucking Greek emperor or whatever sacrificed his daughter before they sailed over to Greece.

01:30:02.580 Just to make sure they were, you know, sailing safe and that they'd win the battle.

01:30:08.100 And also, it shows your troops that I ain't fucking around.

01:30:10.940 We're doing this for real.

01:30:13.200 It gives you that 11%.

01:30:15.020 It gives you that 11% battle boost.

01:30:17.360 And in ancient times, you're fighting with swords and shit.

01:30:20.360 That's huge.

01:30:21.260 But if you're, like, a dude, like, if you've got a samurai sword and you're, like, 11%, I'm feeling it.

01:30:27.120 I've hit the flow state.

01:30:28.320 You're still not beating the machine gun.

01:30:30.260 You know what I mean?

01:30:31.320 There has been a surpassing of this ESP science by technology.

01:30:43.380 Even the things we talk about the shamans doing in the Amazon, besides controlling jaguars and animals and shit, most of it can be replicated with, like, technology.

01:30:55.920 Cell phones and shit like that.

01:30:58.360 You know what I mean?

01:30:58.780 What are they doing with the ESP of, like, the larger community when you do a false flag?

01:31:04.620 Well, that's where these things get interesting.

01:31:07.620 Is where, okay, we know that there is an effect.

01:31:11.440 What would people be willing to do to harvest that 11%?

01:31:16.660 Because, you know, if we're all firing our nukes at the same time, you better hope 11% of yours hit more than the enemies.

01:31:28.160 And so, who knows?

01:31:29.560 But I also, just from personal experience, firmly believe that no kind of quantum network of human beings is meant to be 300 million strong, let alone, like, a billion strong.

01:31:46.960 And that's why you end up having things like elite power structures.

01:31:51.880 Because these guys, they fall into the same neural network.

01:31:55.880 They fall into the same, they think the same way.

01:31:58.220 So they can pull it off.

01:31:59.180 They're attracted to each other.

01:32:00.040 Yeah, it's tribalism.

01:32:01.180 But we've created these bizarre and visible boundaries that lie somewhere between class and race and religion and every other place.

01:32:12.520 That's where the boundaries are now.

01:32:14.880 They're not, you know, where they used to be.

01:32:17.180 The 11% mixed with controlling all the money and printing it ad nauseum, devaluing the currency, sacrificing children to gain Moloch's favor.

01:32:34.580 There's a lot.

01:32:35.160 Well, that would be the 11%.

01:32:36.540 If they're doing it, that's what it's for.

01:32:38.740 That one's got to be a boost.

01:32:40.560 Because I think if we all got together and we were like, we want to be 11% faster in a foot race, we might be able to pull that off.

01:32:47.240 But if we threw a couple of kids into a fire, you know, at the base of a giant golden bull, I feel like that's, if that doesn't give you an extra, like, 11% on top of it, I don't know what the hell they're doing.

01:32:57.520 Well, you've got to really believe in it.

01:32:59.400 That's the kicker.

01:33:00.920 Because it could have the opposite effect.

01:33:02.740 If you're like, this is bullshit, then it's just a bummer.

01:33:04.780 If anybody's doubting.

01:33:05.660 Oh, man, if anybody in the group doubts and Moloch's just like, nope, fucking take an 11%, bitch.

01:33:11.620 Yeah, man.

01:33:12.780 That's why Hillary wasn't.

01:33:13.720 That is true.

01:33:14.220 That's why you've got to get in that coffin and you've got to get fucked by 100 men.

01:33:19.420 Let your dad turn off on top of you.

01:33:22.380 Yeah, or 95, but definitely not zero.

01:33:25.520 Definitely more than one, less than 100, possibly 195.

01:33:30.760 You've got to get masturbated on.

01:33:33.180 Doused in semen.

01:33:34.640 All right, Chaz.

01:33:36.140 This has been fucking awesome.

01:33:38.480 Before we wrap up, can you please let everyone know one more time where to find you?

01:33:43.440 Yeah, absolutely.

01:33:44.540 Find me at ChazOfTheDead on all the social medias, ChazOfTheDead.com.

01:33:49.720 And then check out ParanormalityMag.com, where you can find all kinds of high strangeness, paranormal, craziness, UFOs, Bigfoot, ghosts, everything in between, and all the weird creators and people that make it happen.

01:34:03.620 And so, yeah, if you like strange stuff, go check that out.

01:34:07.900 And thanks for having me on, guys.

01:34:09.980 This was a blast.

01:34:10.760 We'll have to do it again soon.

01:34:12.620 Hell yeah, man.

01:34:13.600 Thanks, guys.

01:34:14.100 Yo, we'll see you tomorrow.

01:34:16.780 We have a very special guest.

01:34:18.560 Not an expert in the field.

01:34:20.080 I'm going to remain anonymous.

01:34:23.180 Has something, has a story to tell us about entities.

01:34:26.860 So, I'm hoping he shows up.

01:34:29.060 This is a very interesting guy.

01:34:30.540 Love his Twitter.

01:34:31.640 Can't say who he is.

01:34:32.980 Show up tomorrow at 3.30.

01:34:34.840 I don't know what the fuck's going to happen, but I'll see you later.

01:34:37.360 Tell him I say they're generated by humans.

01:34:40.840 See what he says.

01:34:41.960 I'm going to tell him that everything he's experienced.

01:34:42.920 He's going to disavow me.

01:34:44.240 Watch this.

01:34:45.280 Don't tell him I said this, but he's going to say I'm crazy and I'm possessed, probably.

01:34:49.480 I'm going to tell him that everything he's experiencing is bug wings.

01:34:54.040 Listeners, you owe me a buck if I'm right.

01:34:57.380 All right, guys.

01:34:58.240 Oh, don't forget to go to TopLobster.com.

01:35:00.280 Peace.

01:35:01.020 Peace out.

01:35:01.420 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:35:07.260 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:35:11.040 You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see become.

01:35:17.380 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:35:23.960 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - December 05, 2023

014： Chaz of the Dead

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