In this episode, Top and David are joined by psychotherapist Jerry Marzinski to discuss his new book, Breaking the Spell of the Ivory Tower: A Journey into the Psychotic Minds of the Mafia.
00:09:51.360You know, another thing that struck me as odd was nobody in that entire hospital was interested in what the voices were telling these people.
00:10:34.500And they would just say, well, they're hallucinations, which is what they were taught in college.
00:10:39.140That's what they taught in medical school.
00:10:41.000But they haven't done any research on them whatsoever.
00:10:44.240It's just like the arrogant psychiatric mafia and big pharma have, you know, like the high priest of ancient Egypt have just come out and go, we hereby declare that the voices are hallucinations because we say so without any research into it whatsoever.
00:11:00.860Is there a fear from the clinical side of things that communicating with, or not necessarily communicating with, but entertaining the dialogue?
00:11:13.420That that somehow feeds into what they would consider an illusion and that it could further progress or further spiral the situation.
00:11:22.380So it's really almost a liability aspect where I guess the practitioner wouldn't want to be liable for, you know, increasing the delusions.
00:11:33.200And so, you know, by that virtue, then these are just, it doesn't matter what they're saying, what the conversations are about.
00:11:59.220The first one, the voices don't like people asking about them.
00:12:03.960You know, so they will steer people away from those that are asking about them or they will act up because they don't want to, they want to be seen as part of the person's psyche, as part of their thought stream.
00:12:16.940You know, and that's what's so dangerous about them because they sound just like the person's, the thousands of thoughts that run through a person's head every day, except the content is very different.
00:12:30.360You know, the intention is very different.
00:12:32.960But if it's schizophrenic, I've talked to several of them.
00:12:36.680They ask, they're curious about what the voices are as I was, you know, and they would ask the voices, what are you?
00:12:46.940They want them to believe that those voices that they're hearing are coming from them and belong to them.
00:12:55.280If they believe that, they will turn into the voices and be psychotic.
00:13:01.420You know, it's a very dangerous situation once those voices start because they sound just like the thousands of other voices that the person hears in his head every day.
00:13:11.200We all hear a voice in our head talking to us all the time.
00:14:20.060Now, you can look at it as louche, but it turns into physical energy because these guys can't even get out of bed.
00:14:24.760So I've talked to a number of them that, you know, that they had an appointment in the morning, and they were so drained after a night of being attacked by the voices, they couldn't even get out of bed.
00:14:37.540So these things are feeding off of these people.
00:14:41.360And like I said, they don't just hit schizophrenics.
00:14:45.000They control them more than they do most people, but they hit us all.
00:14:49.560So, you know, you might have been walking down the sidewalk once.
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00:15:33.120They, and some guy irritates you or something, and here's this thought comes into your mind to beat the crap out of him or whack him up the head with a baseball bat, where you might be standing on a bridge and you go, I wonder what it would like to be to jump.
00:15:47.460Or why don't you just turn into oncoming traffic?
00:15:51.060Those kind of thoughts, they don't come from you.
00:15:53.120As a matter of fact, Emanuel Swedenborg says none of your thoughts come from you.
00:15:58.240You decide what thoughts you want to attend to.
00:16:02.620Jerry, let me propose something to you.
00:16:05.260There's a cliff in California, I believe it's called Suicide Cliff, right?
00:16:10.560Um, they found out, well, people would go there, they'd stop at this gas station and people that weren't suicidal, a lot of them would just commit suicide.
00:16:19.180But the engineers and scientists or whatever found out that something about the, uh, what's the word?
00:16:27.220Like the acoustics, the acoustic resonance of this cove that people were in, it would, it would draw them like it would want to, it would make them want to commit suicide or at least have these thoughts.
00:16:38.540Have you ever thought about some like just geographical locations, acoustics, frequencies that would enhance, uh, the ability for these entities to come through faster or perhaps like the really bad ones hang out there?
00:16:53.040Like why, why would this be happening?
00:16:55.460I don't know, but I've heard of something similar.
00:16:57.760They called it the dog suicide bridge.
00:16:59.680I think it's in the UK, you know, where dogs just leap off of that bridge to, to their deaths and nobody can explain why.
00:17:09.420Yeah, there was some sort of a, we were talking to a guest and we got onto the track of infrasound and how some, um, some animals can emit such a low frequency that it actually causes a feeling of dread in human beings.
00:17:23.060Um, and that sort of mirrors this experience when people have a, maybe like a sleep paralysis experience.
00:17:29.560Um, there's often this sort of vibrational, almost an electric buzzing, a sensation that's accompanied with a tremendous feeling of dread.
00:17:39.020And so we went down this interesting path about, um, how various frequencies can, uh, produce different emotional states, but, but very high dramatic emotional states.
00:17:50.640For example, the fact that you would never experience, uh, that level of dread that you would in a sleep paralysis episode with some sort of, you know, shadow entity that these people describe.
00:17:59.380Oftentimes, uh, that, that feeling of dread simply never manifests itself in waking life in any other situation.
00:18:05.700And so, uh, whatever these entities operate through, it often seems like they could, uh, uh, sort of evoke.
00:18:12.380So, uh, high level emotional states, whether it's rage or, or sadness or, uh, or fear, right.
00:18:19.140And you're talking about how these things, they will put you to your lowest and feed off of that energy.
00:18:24.440There's sort of a reciprocal, uh, event taking place where they can make you feel that way.
00:18:29.460And then they feed off of it and it's a cycle.
00:18:32.020And then they do this essentially until they drain you.
00:18:34.240But, but Dr. Marzinski, I do want to mention to you, and I wanted to get your thoughts on it.
00:18:38.160I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this.
00:55:02.200I'd give them an A plus because if you're looking at something like this, it doesn't appear, like you said,
00:55:10.880the correlation between psychologists, mental health psychologists, and suicide is on like a consistent level spiking up together.
00:55:18.200I was like, yeah, if I wanted this to look this way, I would keep building this medical system.
00:55:24.140If I, there's no, at this point, there's so much evidence.
00:55:27.940Like we'll talk about the COVID vaccine or whatever.
00:55:30.280There's so much evidence where it's like, it's clearly dangerous, clearly bad, but they keep pushing it almost as if the desired outcome is, you know, what they're at.
00:55:38.540So, yeah, A plus for these guys for doing whatever evil shit that they're doing.
00:56:04.080They're making, again, $14 billion a year selling those and $14 billion for anti-psychotic drugs.
00:56:11.920We're talking billion, not million, billion.
00:56:15.500And then when you come up with the SSRIs, it's actually causing people to have psychotic events.
00:56:20.620Man, guys, the Nazis won World War II.
00:56:23.820This is like the Nazis won World War II.
00:56:26.980They're in contact with some kind of entities and they're actually in control of this government that's doing this.
00:56:31.760That's the only way any of this shit makes sense.
00:56:35.080Otherwise, your own government hates you.
00:56:37.100There's an aspect of this that I really want to talk about, which is the fact that this entire time, schizophrenia and diseases that are, you know, mental health diseases that are like it are often described as hereditary.
00:56:50.100And that would need to be completely revamped through this scope.
00:56:53.560When I was younger, I explained to you that my aunt has these issues.
00:56:58.220And I actually was in her presence one day.
01:00:39.980Even though they'll tell you it's a chemical imbalance, you go to your psychiatrist, you ask them, how do you know it's a chemical imbalance?
01:01:58.820They looked at me and they're like, yeah, checks out.
01:02:00.960No, I'm sitting there with my mom and the therapist or the psychologist.
01:02:05.740I'm not too sure which one actually oversees this, hands me a packet of math problems.
01:02:12.620And I think I was maybe like 12 or 11.
01:02:15.520And he hands me a packet of math problems, sits me down, tells me to complete them to the best of my abilities.
01:02:21.060While that's happening, he's discussing me and my performance in school with my mother in front of me, which is very distracting.
01:02:28.280So I'm listening to what they're talking about, and I'm trying my best to fill out my inability to complete the packet to whatever standard that they expected me to be able to complete it was enough for them to put me on Adderall.
01:02:40.800And so for my – I think I would have been 13 years old.
01:02:44.780For my eighth grade experience, I was on Adderall for a majority of that year based off of just anecdotal stories about my inability to focus in class and then my inability to finish a math packet in a timely fashion while they talked about me in front of me.
01:03:02.280That was how I – and then essentially put me on meth.
01:03:05.140Jerry, is this applicable like to – if we're to create another Nuremberg trial, like I don't want to implicate you in it, but like, man, there's so many people guilty of – just that story right there is baffling.
01:03:18.400They're like, hey, kid, we're going to ruin your life if you don't do these math problems within this certain amount of time, and then they just go ahead and do it.
01:03:26.020Let me tell you how bad it actually is.
01:03:38.780In 2017, more than 7.2 million kids have been put on psychiatric drugs.
01:03:47.980More than – it's like 622 – over 622,000 of these children are under the age of five.
01:03:57.820Under the age of five on these major psychiatric drugs.
01:04:01.160Over 80,000 are on ADHD drugs, which leads to meth in a lot of cases.
01:04:09.240Over 38,000 of these kids under the age of five are on antidepressant drugs.
01:04:14.420Here's the side effects of antidepressant drugs.
01:04:18.700Nausea, weight gain, trouble sleeping, dry mouth, blurred vision, dizziness, anxiety, headache, diarrhea or constipation, sexual problems, fatigue, tremors, increased swelling, lower alcohol content, bleeding, lower sodium levels, vomiting, restlessness, muscle cramps and seizures.
01:04:37.840And they're putting these kids on these antidepressant drugs.
01:04:42.340And you wonder, does this help anything?
01:04:46.340Does – are the – maybe these effects that I experience, these side effects that I experience, I would imagine that they line up with meth.
01:04:52.480So what I experienced three things definitively was dramatic weight loss, loss of appetite and increased irritability.
01:05:00.720And so that year I got into an incredible amount of fights.
01:05:03.580I actually had to go to the Scared Straight program in order to graduate from middle school into high school.
01:05:09.400And to me that sounds like – I imagine meth addicts are pretty irritable.
01:05:13.360And I also see them getting very thin and they don't seem to be focused on eating very much.
01:07:16.640I mean they want you dead and they want to have sex with your children and they think it's funny is what constantly comes in my brain whenever I think about this.
01:07:28.920The duplicity is incredible, especially with their DSM.
01:07:33.140It's the Bible for psychology and psychiatry, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, completely made up.
01:07:44.920All these mental illnesses are completely drained up by this panel of psychiatrists that meets every couple of years and they just make these things up.
01:07:54.880They vote them in and they vote them out.
01:07:58.000You know, it's a complete work of fiction.
01:08:01.900There is no test to test for any of the mental disorders in this group, in this book.
01:09:31.820These are just classes of behaviors that are made up by psychiatrists and voted to be a mental disorder.
01:09:37.720I think what's worse right now, too, is that – talk about a layup for the pharmaceutical industry and the medical apparatus that surrounds it – is that we are now in this epidemic of – I don't know if you guys have noticed this.
01:09:53.720People who are more than happy to self-diagnose.
01:09:56.980There's like sort of a cult of personality that's developed around relating to or, you know, claiming to – oh, that's – like I can't tell you.
01:10:08.760TikTok is inundated with this is how to know that you have ADHD.
01:10:15.120Not only that, this is what – if you have this going on in your life or that going on – and it's some of the most benign, inconsequential things that they'll go.
01:10:23.840Well, this means that you have ADHD or this means that you have that.
01:10:27.140People are – there is a sort of a reward system, a cultural reward system set up around self-identifying as having a mental illness.
01:10:38.740This is something that I've noticed like is rampant.
01:10:41.260As somebody who was diagnosed when I was a kid, I find it horrible to just hear this.
01:10:46.940There's almost a – it's almost become a fad.
01:10:49.000That is, I think, an accurate way to put it.
01:11:33.660New Zealand and the U.S. are the only two countries as far as I'm concerned.
01:11:37.340I don't know if it's changed since I learned this that actually advertise for pharmaceuticals.
01:11:43.040And so this is a payday for – you're doing the work of these pseudo-intellectuals, these medical professionals who would be diagnosing it.
01:11:55.840And you go to them and you go, well, now it's not – well, I saw a commercial and the commercial said if you experience A, B, C, and D, you may be – you may have this disease and may be eligible for this medication.
01:14:21.800Even though, you know, those traits, those aspects that I read you about, that's, you know, what they're doing is, you know, the voices are energetic entities.
01:14:38.200What they're doing is like if you've got a magnet, a big magnet, you can't see that magnetic field.
01:14:52.240So you get a bottle of iron filings and you put it on top of that magnetic field.
01:14:56.380Now you can see the outline of the magnetic field.
01:14:58.980Those patterns that I was reading to you, and we only read maybe 10 of them, there's 23 or more, those are the iron filings for these schizophrenic entities.
01:15:32.640What they're doing is dumbing down the brain so the whole body just becomes numb.
01:15:38.060You know, these people are just zombies.
01:15:39.900You know, and it's ridiculous, and the number of different mental illnesses that they make up every year is – I mean, look at some of these mental illnesses.
01:15:53.200Mathematics disorder is one of the ones that are in – oh, you don't get – you don't do mathematics.
01:16:48.160Southern Bell syndrome, I think they had in there for a while.
01:16:51.020So, I mean, this is – you put 10 of them in a room and you give them a semi-complex diagnosis, you're not going to get the same diagnosis from them.
01:16:59.940You said that they're saying homosexuality is a disorder because they can't figure out why.
01:17:05.260What do you think about this – the whole transgender thing that's happening here?
01:17:08.920Because that has a very high suicide rate as well.
01:17:13.240And it's also one of these things where I wouldn't be surprised if most of these people are having a – I mean, clearly, you're having a second dialogue in your head, right?
01:18:02.560Are you saying the more – the more you, like, feed into it, the larger you open this portal for maybe more things to come in?
01:18:12.840Or do you think some people are susceptible to – I guess we talked about the familial thing, where they might be more susceptible to the same entities or similar ones that are affecting their family?
01:18:25.780Or perhaps even psychologists that are around this, they're constantly physically around these other people.
01:18:31.320You might be, you know, just being spoken to or, you know, touched by these things.
01:18:37.260Maybe there's something about the six feet that they were doing during COVID, right?
01:18:58.740So separation is one of the things that they're after.
01:19:04.520Dr. Marzinski, we're coming to this hour-and-a-half point, and I really do think it would be appropriate to discuss – we discussed Psalms 22, right, and how these voices and entities –
01:20:59.080They don't tell the truth about hardly anything.
01:21:01.800You know, 98% of what they tell people are lies.
01:21:06.380So Sherry, my co-author in this book, if you want to know more about this stuff, you know, how we came to the conclusion, you can go get this off Amazon.
01:21:16.720You can get it off our website at jerrymarzynski.com.
01:21:22.300But Sherry came up with the idea that – well, she cured herself this way – is by every time the voices told her some bull crap, she'd say, that's a lie.
01:21:54.040But when you're telling your patients this, like how – what's – not just the success rate, but like I could imagine this could get really tricky for these people,
01:22:03.440especially if you're at like a low energy level and you're telling something, like I'm on to you.
01:22:09.260There's probably going to be some kind of a fight.
01:22:15.000There's a fight going on all the time because at some level, the person realizes that they're being pulled in a direction they don't want to go.
01:22:24.540The only time there might not be a fight is the ones who believe –
01:22:29.440So I did another study on what these people believe.
01:22:34.440The ones who believe what psychiatry is telling, that these are hallucinations, there's nothing they can do about them except take their toxic medications.
01:22:42.900They're the ones that are the worst off.
01:22:44.720They're the ones that are least likely to succeed.
01:22:48.020Then there's a middle group that are going, well, I don't know what they are.
01:22:53.520They haven't made the decision that they're hallucinations.
01:22:56.980And then there's the third group that – the group that has the most chance to succeed are the ones that realize that these voices are not them.
01:24:06.120And so I could see that as being the most integral – the most important aspect of all this is to switch the mindset over from being a passive victim of your own psychology and into a much more proactive mode of you're actually being influenced by something that's not yourself.
01:24:28.720And I think that that is also – it probably, if you can accept that, comes with this really high level of vindication, right?
01:24:36.260Because previously you've been told on every level that this is just you.
01:24:43.580This doesn't exist actually except for in your own mind when I imagine for these people this feels very real.
01:24:52.640And so it's a level of self-betrayal, right, to have to come to terms with the fact that this is just a hallucination.
01:25:02.500That is incredibly demoralizing because then you now have to operate from a playing field of my perspective is incredibly faulty and unreliable.
01:25:16.300I cannot trust my own senses or myself.
01:25:18.460And it's isolating and it's demoralizing and to turn and say, no, something is happening to you.
01:25:54.600You know, it's incredibly liberating for them to know that it's not them because we're taught from the time we're kids that every thought that comes into your mind belongs to you.
01:26:59.420But, yeah, they – you know, the first time – I saw they were running these patterns, you know, real quick.
01:27:06.020So what I started doing was throwing monkey wrenches into the patterns when I was working in the state prison because in the state hospital, I couldn't experiment much because if they told the psychiatrist I was threatened, I had to keep a real low profile.
01:27:21.600In the prison, I had a group of prisoners around me all the time who would tell me in real time what the voices were saying.
01:27:27.420So I could try all kinds of stuff with them.
01:33:16.380And I'm staring at the wall where the noise is coming from.
01:33:19.120But I was afraid to take my vision off of this guy because I was thinking he's going to attack.
01:33:24.620So I pushed my chair against the wall just in case he does so I could kick him off because all they had was female guards in the medical unit at that time.
01:33:32.260They would have been useless in a fight.
01:33:34.160So I'm switching my attention between him and this crackle.
01:33:38.840And it's going up my right-hand office wall like crack, crack, crack, crack, crack.