Nephilim Death Squad - 017： Counter Flow Podcast w⧸ Buck Johnson

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00:02:01.280 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:03.020 What's going on, guys?

00:02:10.420 Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:13.960 We let you guys breathe a little bit.

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00:02:19.260 And if you haven't seen it, you've got to go back and see it.

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00:02:22.620 And the nature of the things that we talk about on this show, right, the supernatural, the paranormal, the conspiratorial,

00:02:30.140 we talk about them through the Christian lens, right?

00:02:34.000 We've discovered that the Christian worldview actually does a really good job of explaining sort of the high strangeness

00:02:40.280 and the high-level corruption that we're exposed to on the world stage.

00:02:45.360 And so I'm really excited for today's episode because I feel like maybe, just maybe, I'll learn something.

00:02:51.240 Because I have a lot of questions about Christianity, Catholicism, all these different things.

00:02:56.580 And so hopefully we can unpack a little bit of that today and maybe also go into some of the high strangeness.

00:03:04.580 We are joined today by Buck Johnson of the CounterFlow podcast.

00:03:10.580 Buck, what's going on, brother?

00:03:11.640 Can you tell the audience a little bit about what it is that you do and where they can find your work?

00:03:17.780 Yeah, I should start with, and I forgot to mention this off-air because I noticed it the first time I watched y'all's episode,

00:03:24.620 one of your episodes, I think we're the only two podcasts with a Vinny Pazienza, Vinny Pee intro song.

00:03:32.280 Yeah, and he's my favorite hip-hop artist.

00:03:36.660 And I love that song with the David Icke sample that you guys use as well.

00:03:40.800 I told you, everything about this guy, ever since I saw him, I just like fucking love Buck.

00:03:45.560 Buck's the man.

00:03:47.020 Go ahead.

00:03:47.440 That's awesome.

00:03:48.240 That's kinship right there.

00:03:49.560 All right, let's jump into it, Buck.

00:03:51.100 And it's funny because I want Vinny Pee on my show, but I'm scared to ask him because if he hears my intro, he's going to be like, wait a sec, that's my song.

00:03:59.440 I thought about the same thing.

00:04:00.540 I was like, I want to talk to this guy, but then he'd be like, these motherfuckers, they haven't paid me for it.

00:04:05.660 Yeah, we'll do the whole show and afterwards, he's going to write us a bill.

00:04:09.460 Yeah.

00:04:09.620 So, yeah, the show's called Counterflow Podcast.

00:04:14.240 A long time ago, it was called Death to Tyrants, and there's been a bit of a direction shift over the years.

00:04:20.680 Some on purpose, and some just follows my own life journey as that goes.

00:04:26.820 And so I don't sit down and say, I'm doing a podcast about Orthodox Christianity, and I'm going to get this person and that person.

00:04:33.240 It's just that my life has turned towards that direction, so I find those topics interesting.

00:04:38.120 I still cover some political topics as well, but usually it's some sort of spiritual warfare, even if you can use a current topic with that theme.

00:04:47.540 And it's always looked at through an Orthodox lens as much as I can.

00:04:50.720 I'm still fresh and new into the world of Orthodoxy, so I'm by no means an expert, and that's where it's at right now.

00:04:57.740 Now, anywhere you find podcasts, it's Counterflow Podcast is the show.

00:05:03.820 You know, Buck, I haven't listened to your show in a while.

00:05:07.240 I forget the last one that I caught, but obviously from your Twitter, I was getting the sense that he's leaning in the direction that I'm leaning.

00:05:15.620 So for anyone that doesn't know all the inside baseball libertarian party stuff, this is how I kind of came into this shitty world of Twitter and YouTube and stuff like that.

00:05:27.180 But I met really cool people who were doing the same thing, like Buck is getting in and I'm drawing and I think you had me do a couple of pieces for your thumbnails and stuff.

00:05:36.640 And it's just like we're starting out together in this journey of like, you know, what is the state, this kind of stuff.

00:05:42.960 And then COVID happens and everything turns sideways.

00:05:46.620 We kind of go our separate directions, but somehow kind of come back here in the middle of it's just it's interesting.

00:05:54.820 It's interesting to see the people who haven't gotten that message from libertarianism, because as much as we could say we hate it, you know, or like the people, you know, the party and all this shit.

00:06:04.260 I really am thankful for it, because without that, I wouldn't have been able to like develop the lens, which I see the world now.

00:06:11.780 And I probably wouldn't be thinking this way, at least.

00:06:14.820 So I agree. Yeah, yeah.

00:06:16.380 And yeah, it's no knock on on people who still call themselves that by any means.

00:06:23.060 It's you know, I still I still listen to Tom Woods and Dave Smith all the time.

00:06:26.160 I think they're both great for me, you know, and probably yourself, certainly the libertarian party has no use anymore.

00:06:34.520 And but but libertarian as a label has no use for me personally.

00:06:39.180 But I, of course, I still have tendencies towards towards it.

00:06:43.180 If you're talking strictly politics, typically I would lean that direction.

00:06:47.260 It's just that I find strictly politics as a as as a way to view yourself and society is kind of shallow.

00:06:57.220 In my personal opinion, I think there's deeper levels and sometimes they can manifest themselves politically, certainly.

00:07:04.900 And I still love watching political shows and paying attention.

00:07:09.140 It's just that when I talk to people and interview people, I prefer something slightly deeper than just the surface politics.

00:07:19.280 Yeah, the politics have have become they went from being like my lifeblood and I'm really worried about it.

00:07:25.160 So like now it's my Netflix because I still do pay attention, but I know it's entertainment.

00:07:29.700 What a good way to put it. Yeah, yeah, it is.

00:07:32.080 Someone I hope this doesn't hurt anyone's feelings.

00:07:34.440 I was talking to my girlfriend and she was like, have you ever noticed how libertarians love karaoke?

00:07:42.580 And I wonder why that is. And I said, I have noticed that.

00:07:45.460 And I I noticed it because I hate karaoke.

00:07:48.060 So it stands out to me.

00:07:50.480 And I said, well, it's funny because when you're in the libertarian party, you're pretending that you're in a real political party.

00:07:56.500 And when you're doing karaoke, you're pretending like you're in a real band.

00:08:00.080 So maybe there's some sort of LARPing kinship there.

00:08:02.440 I don't know. And I'm sorry, 3D printed guns and the vest.

00:08:09.440 I'm like, I'm not doing I'm not doing all that.

00:08:12.040 I mean, the 3D printing. Yeah.

00:08:13.340 But like, you know what I'm talking about?

00:08:14.880 The next level, like two way guys where it's like you're in your fucking yard, man.

00:08:18.580 And you're wearing like, you know, bulletproof vest.

00:08:21.000 It's like, what do you what do you think is going on over here?

00:08:23.260 Sure. Yeah, it's it's I've done a lot of libertarian party meetings and whatnot over my adult life.

00:08:30.940 It's it's something else, just not for me.

00:08:34.160 Yeah. You know, you guys said that you both kind of change your course and ultimately came together.

00:08:40.420 But it was around COVID. Right.

00:08:42.580 And so I think that that was a really big moment for a lot of people was a wake up call.

00:08:48.880 And you kind of could you could take that wake up call in in a couple of different directions.

00:08:53.740 Some people saw it as like, oh, the government doesn't have our best interests and is, you know, much more corrupt than we originally imagined.

00:09:02.380 But I think for a lot of other people, there was this call to noticing that this is we're engaged in spiritual warfare.

00:09:12.640 Right. Buck, that was something that you mentioned earlier.

00:09:15.840 And I think that that seeing things through that lens, whether or not people want to admit it, makes a lot more sense.

00:09:25.660 You know, that that government corruption at its highest levels is often, in my opinion, moved by a much darker force that people aren't aware of.

00:09:36.740 And I think that when it comes to politics, a lot of the times when you look at it, if politics is your focal point, you can almost pretend that that other stuff doesn't exist.

00:09:47.600 But you have to be real close to it. You've got to bury your head in it in order to not notice all the other shit that's going on.

00:09:53.140 But as soon as you pan out and you look at the bigger picture, you realize that there's something much more nefarious.

00:09:57.920 And these days, you know, it's crazy. Yes. As you're describing this section of this subsection of people, which I guess we're within that section.

00:10:05.520 But then we've stepped out of it. I'm thinking about the larger section of people who are not even looking at politics like they're so out of it that they're not even looking at the distraction.

00:10:17.620 It's crazy to think there's so 80 percent probably are like that. We're completely screwed.

00:10:23.140 And it's that's what's great about that is like so, you know, these things, they do go hand in hand.

00:10:29.200 It's like the trope. It's become a trope now, even though it's not been long lived.

00:10:32.680 But it's this idea of like every time something happens with Hunter Biden, well, you can almost guarantee that something can happen in the UFO world.

00:10:39.600 Yeah, there's going to be some alien shit that happens. Right.

00:10:41.540 All of these things, they interconnect. And it's it's a little bit upsetting to me because I do think that some people that don't pull out of politics and they don't look around at other things.

00:10:53.560 And that's their focal point. I, you know, and this is one of these things that might hurt some feelings.

00:10:58.660 But I think that's a type of coping mechanism, because if you zoom in on politics, you can see corruption that's manageable.

00:11:05.980 You can do something about this level of corruption. Right.

00:11:10.400 And it's not until you zoom out and you realize that the forces that you're pitted up against are actually like these ancient adversarial forces that have been there since the dawn of time.

00:11:18.660 And that is a monumental task to undergo as far as trying to dismantle it.

00:11:23.420 And so when you zoom in on politics and you make that sort of your world, I I do feel at times that it's it's a sort of not a delusion, but like a coping mechanism.

00:11:33.620 This is the enemy that I can handle. You know, Dave, you're kind of like opening my mind here because like the people in the Libertarian Party, I actually just had one stroll.

00:11:42.340 Every so often they'll they'll come through my comments like thinking like I'm the Libertarian guy that they want to fight with.

00:11:46.920 I'm like, yo, I'm not that guy. Like I'm about to just like hail Hitler on you right now because you're annoying me.

00:11:51.760 So this guy comes through and what they all have in common is they're like atheist. Right.

00:11:55.960 Or like if they're not they're kind of atheist, they just won't admit to it.

00:12:01.080 But in this game that they're playing, you're so obsessed with the political.

00:12:04.540 It's almost like you better be obsessed with that, because if you do take that step back, then you're going to have to look at God or something else.

00:12:11.300 And they just they will not. And I feel like that did that contribute to your journey here, like where you kind of took a little bit of a step back?

00:12:18.720 Yep. It was with you mentioned Vin Armani earlier.

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00:13:09.640 Fascinating and alluring to me.

00:13:15.520 He's just an interesting man to listen to.

00:13:17.620 And I became friends with him over 2020 and we spoke off air after I interviewed him.

00:13:25.180 Maybe it was on air. Actually, I can't remember.

00:13:26.900 And he said, if you're looking at what's going on right now with the COVID stuff and the lockdowns and the possible medical interventions through the political and material lens, you've lost the entire picture.

00:13:41.780 You're missing everything. That's not what this is.

00:13:45.240 So focusing on like, well, this mandate by this governor and this and this and that and this rule and these bumbling idiots like Dr. Fauci, like you have to step back and look at the spiritual.

00:13:57.600 This is good and evil. This is spiritual warfare.

00:13:59.860 This is it's manifesting itself somewhat through this field of, quote unquote, science and medicine and government.

00:14:09.140 But it's not strictly that. So to view it that way, you're missing the big picture and it's pointless.

00:14:16.060 And so that got me thinking. I was already opened.

00:14:18.960 I spoke with I remember speaking to Jeff Deist of the formerly of the Mises Institute once.

00:14:23.380 And he said, you may not be a Christian, but you have to admit that's who you'd like.

00:14:31.920 If you had your choice in a libertarian society, would you like to live around atheists or Christians?

00:14:37.820 So that had already stuck in my mind.

00:14:40.580 Obviously, the answer is Christians.

00:14:42.960 And so I was already more sympathetic to the issue because I was a hardcore atheist.

00:14:46.840 I was like proud of it, unfortunately.

00:14:48.560 And that when Jeff told me that it stuck with me.

00:14:53.120 And then once I started seeing stepping back and seeing the spiritual warfare aspect of it, I mean, just using that term, you have to understand, well, you can't be an atheist if you start to look at their good and evil behind all this.

00:15:03.920 And it's not just human beings making mean decisions or bad mistakes or whatever.

00:15:10.260 So, yeah, that's that's opened my mind up.

00:15:13.000 And then lo and behold, I discovered an Orthodox church in this.

00:15:16.660 I live in a town of 13000 people, probably 50 to 100 churches.

00:15:21.900 But I'm in Texas.

00:15:23.400 They're usually Catholic or Baptist or whatnot.

00:15:26.600 And then, boom, there's a Russian Orthodox church here.

00:15:29.460 I couldn't believe it.

00:15:31.540 Wow.

00:15:32.000 That must be it must have been baffling for you because like I know for me, like my waking up into like I mean, I guess my initial waking up into.

00:15:42.540 Wow, this is spiritual.

00:15:43.820 And now you can't turn back.

00:15:45.660 It was softened by the blow of like years of going to church as a kid and believing in God and still holding that faith, but not going to church.

00:15:53.460 So I can imagine someone you were saying you were atheist.

00:15:56.260 Yeah.

00:15:56.800 And then, oh, my God, I'm going to put this this cross up behind me.

00:16:01.540 Yes.

00:16:02.020 I mean, yeah, that happened over a bit of a period of time.

00:16:07.480 But yeah, it was it kind of blew my mind as well.

00:16:11.680 And a guy reached out to me on Twitter and he said, I heard you say on Pete's show, Pete Quinonez's show.

00:16:19.140 I think that's who it was, is that you live in Lockhart.

00:16:22.720 And I said, I do.

00:16:23.860 And he said, well, I'd like to invite you to my church.

00:16:26.360 It's an Orthodox church in Lockhart.

00:16:28.880 And I was like, what?

00:16:29.860 Who is this?

00:16:31.240 You know, I said, do you live here?

00:16:32.800 Like, do you want to meet up for coffee or something?

00:16:34.420 He's like, no, I'm about an hour and a half out.

00:16:36.140 But you'll understand why I chose that church.

00:16:39.620 And I said, weird.

00:16:40.600 I've been driving by it, but I'm scared to go in because I look kind of different.

00:16:45.800 And I didn't I don't know the traditions or anything about it.

00:16:50.440 And I said, I've been reading Father Sarah from Rose.

00:16:52.800 And he's like, well, Father Sarah from Rose is my family's patron saint.

00:16:56.900 He's on the wall in that church.

00:16:58.420 These aren't coincidences that you've discovered all this.

00:17:01.580 I can promise you.

00:17:02.360 And I was like, whoa, OK.

00:17:04.520 So, yeah, I was through a series of it just kind of changing my lens, I suppose, removing

00:17:11.620 scales from my eyes.

00:17:13.460 And it kind of blew my mind, to be quite honest.

00:17:16.840 You see, like synchronicities.

00:17:18.940 Yeah.

00:17:19.200 But this is the reason I invited Buck on.

00:17:21.920 And I don't know, I forgot someone was like, Buck Johnson, he's any more political.

00:17:26.300 I was like, no, no, no.

00:17:27.080 I'm telling you.

00:17:27.680 So as you're just saying that right there, like my question is, I grew up in a Pentecostal

00:17:33.220 or like, I don't know, Assemblies of God church and kind of have been going to that same type

00:17:39.140 of church.

00:17:39.660 It's very different from, let's say, the Catholic church.

00:17:42.600 And the Catholic church is seems like it's very different from this Orthodox Christianity

00:17:47.660 that you're talking about.

00:17:49.180 I have so many questions.

00:17:50.200 You said this guy is my patron saint.

00:17:52.440 His picture's on the wall.

00:17:53.620 These things to me are like it's almost a different religion.

00:17:56.060 Please explain to me, because I know we believe the same stuff.

00:18:00.060 So I'll say this.

00:18:02.520 Here's my experience.

00:18:03.680 That's all I can give you, because I don't know a lot of, being an atheist for 20-something

00:18:08.360 years, I avoided church stuff.

00:18:10.760 It made me, I just thought it was cringeworthy.

00:18:13.080 Prior to that, in my teenage years, I did go to, you'll appreciate this.

00:18:17.220 I did go to a mega church in San Antonio with, where Pastor John Hagee, who is pretty much

00:18:25.000 the most famous Zionist preacher in America, was my preacher.

00:18:29.640 And so I knew that style of church, which was, he yells a lot and literally a Bible beater,

00:18:35.180 thumps his Bible, slaps it, yells, very fiery.

00:18:37.960 Um, and it was like a garish, almost like a White House type environment, like real white

00:18:45.020 walls, columns, real pretty blue and red carpet.

00:18:48.700 So that's all I knew.

00:18:50.300 I didn't know anything about Catholic church, but I had this, um, mind in my mind.

00:18:55.980 I pictured once I went to the Orthodox church, I thought, okay, this, I think this is what

00:19:00.480 Catholic church is too.

00:19:02.240 No, it's not.

00:19:03.020 I've since found out, um, that it's not like that at all.

00:19:06.660 My girlfriend grew up Catholic.

00:19:08.280 She's a twin.

00:19:08.980 Her and her twin grew up, uh, I call it culturally Catholic because there's a lot of, when you're

00:19:13.440 in a Catholic area, you, it's just kind of the culture.

00:19:16.420 Uh, and I would say even down in Texas, it's kind of a Protestant culture here.

00:19:21.020 Uh, I did not know the services, I think a long, long, long, long time ago, they were similar

00:19:27.040 to the Orthodox services, but it's not like that now at all.

00:19:29.800 And I would dare say that the Catholic church and the services are more in line with a Protestant

00:19:35.860 kind of non-denominational evangelical service than they would be with Orthodox services.

00:19:42.420 So that's what I would start with.

00:19:44.120 Also, are you saying, asking like, what about the patron saint and the pictures on the wall?

00:19:49.940 And like, I want to know everything about it.

00:19:51.760 What, yeah, what is going on?

00:19:52.880 Cause I have no clue.

00:19:53.980 It is one of those things that's intimidating.

00:19:55.740 Like if, if I did see this kind of a church, I don't know if I'd, I'd walk in.

00:20:00.240 Cause it would, I would be like this, it's foreign.

00:20:02.000 I, but I want to know, I want to know everything.

00:20:04.200 Well, quite literally it is foreign.

00:20:06.400 Um, there's, so let's, let's, um, I can break it down in simplistic terms because that's

00:20:12.300 all I know.

00:20:12.820 I don't, I'm again, I only been into this two years or so.

00:20:15.820 Uh, it's the, it's the religion, the church, the Christianity from the Bible in the book

00:20:22.440 of acts, as they're explaining how to, a church should be put together.

00:20:26.680 They're referring, this is the Orthodox church.

00:20:29.860 Um, it didn't, it wasn't called that until later when it was split.

00:20:33.280 And I'll get to that in a second.

00:20:34.880 But so for instance, the first Christian church on the planet, uh, was in, uh, Antioch

00:20:39.780 and the Antiochian Orthodox church.

00:20:42.240 It's still there.

00:20:43.100 Um, Peter from the Bible was the Bishop, uh, Peter that knew Christ was the Bishop of that

00:20:48.560 church.

00:20:49.400 And so some of the early church fathers, one is called, um, St. Ignatius.

00:20:54.260 He was a disciple of John from the Bible.

00:20:57.120 Um, not, not like a child, but, uh, John kind of trained him up in the church.

00:21:03.060 And so these early figures, there's a, there's a one somewhere, I assume it's in the Middle

00:21:07.640 East.

00:21:07.840 I can't even remember where it might be in Eastern Europe, um, where the last person to sit

00:21:12.060 in this chair that they've got roped off was Paul from the Bible, St. Paul.

00:21:15.780 And so that it was Christ's earliest church.

00:21:20.200 And it went along for a long time, uh, hundreds of years.

00:21:25.440 They put together the Bible at some point, of course, in the third century or so, uh, AD.

00:21:33.000 And then in 1054, there was some issues leading up to this over the couple hundred years prior

00:21:38.940 to it.

00:21:39.340 But in 1054, officially the Catholic church became the Catholic church and split off

00:21:44.260 from the Christian church that had always existed, which was the Orthodox church.

00:21:49.980 Uh, so then there had to be two different names.

00:21:53.040 Catholics became their thing.

00:21:54.500 A lot of it centered around being, um, having the Pope, uh, and Catholics thinking that he's

00:22:01.500 above others.

00:22:03.240 If that makes sense.

00:22:04.600 Um, I think they might use the term infallible, but I'm not positive.

00:22:08.480 However, whatever the case may be, um, there's some other religious thing, I think called the

00:22:14.980 Philly Oakway.

00:22:15.600 I don't want to talk, talk over people's head, but there's a few minor differences that arose

00:22:20.600 in Catholicism.

00:22:21.920 So they split off.

00:22:23.700 That was in 1054 and about 1500, um, people started questioning Catholicism.

00:22:29.840 They started protesting Catholicism and they became Protestants.

00:22:35.000 And that started with Luther, I think somewhere on the 1500s.

00:22:38.680 And then Protestantism started having all kinds of offshoots from that because they were looking

00:22:44.180 at the Catholic church going, this, something's weird.

00:22:47.040 This Pope, like he's special above all the rest of us.

00:22:50.080 That makes no sense.

00:22:51.040 I agree with them.

00:22:52.460 And so that's where that started.

00:22:54.940 Orthodoxy, um, was heavily, uh, in the middle East, Antioch, uh, Greece and Russia.

00:23:01.740 And they're just called jurisdictions.

00:23:03.620 It's still the Orthodox church.

00:23:04.960 It's all the same.

00:23:06.300 Um, but there's obvious, of course, different languages.

00:23:08.640 And so it's really, we call it the liturgy that served every Sunday with the Eucharist,

00:23:13.580 which is communion.

00:23:15.460 And it's the same liturgy, um, from the third or fourth century that St. John Chrysostom,

00:23:22.560 uh, is the first one that wrote this, the one that we use today.

00:23:26.880 He's got a great book or there's a great book on him.

00:23:29.320 Some of his homilies, top lobster, you would call us St. John Chrysostom and the Jews about

00:23:34.560 his early homilies on Jewish people.

00:23:37.020 It wasn't as friendly as the, um, boomer evangelicals might make you think.

00:23:41.500 And so we've done that same liturgy.

00:23:43.360 If, if one of the saints from the year 300 AD came into our, my church today, other than

00:23:49.880 a language difference, he would know exactly what was going on because it has not changed.

00:23:54.780 That's a question I do have now that you kind of bring that up.

00:23:56.880 Cause it's very important.

00:23:57.580 So I did go to church this last Sunday, my kids sang in, uh, the church, my parents go

00:24:02.160 to.

00:24:02.380 So I was there and the first thing they do, and I'm noticing like, um, I'm noticing like

00:24:08.120 crazy.

00:24:08.480 The first thing they do is like, all right, everybody, let's put our hands down and we're

00:24:10.860 going to say a quick, uh, quick prayer for the health of Israel.

00:24:13.580 And then we're going to pray for the service.

00:24:15.620 And, and I was like, and he said that my wife shot me such a look.

00:24:20.880 I almost fell down.

00:24:21.620 She was like, like, don't say anything.

00:24:24.180 So I had to raise my hand.

00:24:25.080 Excuse me, sir.

00:24:26.780 Why?

00:24:27.680 Right.

00:24:28.940 What is the, what is the Orthodox church stance on Israel?

00:24:32.140 Like their relationship with, with that, because that's one of the worst things about the modern

00:24:37.120 church that I know of today.

00:24:39.680 Before you get into that, I would like to say, I want to share a quick story with you,

00:24:43.060 Buck, is I went to a church for the first time in my life recently.

00:24:48.460 I only went once.

00:24:49.720 It was an evangelical church.

00:24:51.120 It was a sort of a, like a, like a corporate big mega church kind of a deal.

00:24:55.240 And, um, and they were saying a bunch of really wild stuff about basically it's terrible that

00:25:02.580 these children are dying, but this is justified.

00:25:05.740 Um, and, and I was weird because before that happened, it was all like, all right, these

00:25:12.100 songs are kind of cool.

00:25:13.180 And the coffee's good.

00:25:14.720 And they even got a, a breakfast place in the mega.

00:25:17.140 This is nice.

00:25:17.960 I'm not minding it.

00:25:18.760 My kid was having a good time.

00:25:20.440 And then they start getting into it.

00:25:22.780 Well, the first thing that happened was a white chick with dreadlocks started.

00:25:26.520 She's on the stage and she's singing songs.

00:25:28.100 I'm like, this is a little bit weird, but Hey, I don't know.

00:25:29.660 This is all new to me.

00:25:30.660 And then the next thing, you know, concert.

00:25:32.720 Yeah, dude.

00:25:33.740 And the next thing, you know, they're going into that.

00:25:35.880 And I go, I don't think, um, I don't think we should, I don't think we should come back

00:25:40.320 and, and I haven't been back there since.

00:25:42.020 And so, yeah, that's very much, uh, you know, a similar thing happening there with me.

00:25:47.560 So, uh, that's weird.

00:25:49.280 I got this weird pop-up thing on my screen.

00:25:51.060 Sorry.

00:25:51.400 So there's no, as far as I know, I should also say this.

00:25:55.200 I'm not a spokesman for the Orthodox church in any way whatsoever.

00:25:58.440 And I don't believe there's an quote unquote Orthodox position on Israel.

00:26:02.900 So here's what I can tell you from my perspective as an Orthodox Christian, uh, the state of

00:26:08.120 Israel has nothing when, so the state of Israel for one has no right to exist.

00:26:12.840 I don't believe any state quote unquote state has a right to exist.

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00:26:45.760 It's the Israel that exists today is not the same Israel from the Bible.

00:26:51.620 Uh, once Christ was resurrected, Judaism became, if, if you're not going to convert to Christianity,

00:27:00.880 which a lot of them did, the ones that remained Jewish is, I mean, it's irrelevant.

00:27:06.420 Like it, it, it, there's no point that it exists anymore.

00:27:10.240 And they're literally anti-Christ because they're against, they don't believe that Christ is a

00:27:18.400 thing or that he's certainly that he's part of the Trinity.

00:27:20.920 They don't believe in the Trinity.

00:27:21.840 And so they still think this savior is coming back or that hasn't come yet.

00:27:26.620 It's like, no, it, he did come.

00:27:28.320 It was Christ.

00:27:29.060 They're against that.

00:27:30.700 And I think, unfortunately being, um, well, like anti-Christ, it doesn't usually turn out

00:27:38.700 that they're involved in like super great things.

00:27:41.980 Um, that spirit of anti-Christ is, is, is prevalent.

00:27:47.860 And the state of Israel has nothing to do with Christ, the Bible or anything else.

00:27:55.580 And so my position on it, some Orthodox people that have been on my show where we discuss

00:28:00.860 it, most of the position is that you pray for the people in Israel, you pray for the

00:28:06.940 people in Palestine.

00:28:07.760 It sucks that they're fighting.

00:28:09.500 I don't know how to fix this.

00:28:11.660 I don't know what it is.

00:28:13.940 Um, it's got nothing to do with us, nothing to do with us.

00:28:17.760 And people like John Hagee and these pastors that are, that are pushing this rapture narrative

00:28:23.740 and this thing that it all goes down at Israel is so, um, bad theologically.

00:28:31.660 It's an inversion of what's really, what should be happening.

00:28:34.520 And so, but, but they have a lot of money.

00:28:36.660 They've got a lot of political power.

00:28:38.420 Uh, John McCain before he passed was very close with John Hagee, this pastor I'm talking

00:28:42.760 about.

00:28:43.660 So that's the sort of circles they're running in.

00:28:45.800 If that, if that speaks to you.

00:28:48.180 Yeah, it's very dangerous.

00:28:49.360 And it's unfortunate that too many people, like, I can't believe that they would have that.

00:28:53.740 If you're going to pray for the people, I get it.

00:28:56.320 But if you're praying for the state of Israel, I don't get it.

00:29:00.460 Yeah.

00:29:00.620 When I started to piece together was this idea that it was like, you know, because I'm new

00:29:04.400 to this, I said, I went for the first time.

00:29:05.840 Right.

00:29:06.080 And so it's like, well, yeah, the evangelicals, obviously they believe in Christ.

00:29:11.940 Um, and the Jews of Israel, they are waiting for the first coming of their Messiah.

00:29:17.260 Whereas the evangelicals are like, no, this is actually the second coming of Christ.

00:29:21.440 Dude, it's important to note that not only are they waiting for the second coming of

00:29:25.460 Christ, but they, their, their holy books, or at least one of their holy books says that

00:29:30.280 he's boiling and piss and excrement.

00:29:32.380 So just a little asterisk to this story here.

00:29:35.680 I know that you're bringing out Twitter lobster, but go ahead, man.

00:29:38.620 But yeah.

00:29:39.060 So, so this idea that, um, whatever Israel is, is, um, doing is going to actually bring

00:29:47.140 about the second coming of Christ.

00:29:48.700 So in that way, the evangelicals are aligned with them, but only so that they can get to

00:29:53.220 the finish line and be like, ha, see it is Christ.

00:29:55.680 And, and so by that ends, the means to get there is justified, which is like, Hey, it

00:30:03.340 sucks.

00:30:03.660 These kids are dying, but like, this is all going to lead towards something pretty cool.

00:30:07.240 And, um, you know, so that, that whole thing was, was really jarring because I was on the

00:30:13.620 outside of the Israel Palestine thing.

00:30:15.400 The way I was looking at it was like, I don't even understand enough of this shit for me to

00:30:19.320 start throwing my hat in the ring one way or the other.

00:30:21.680 And since I also don't understand, um, you know, Christianity enough, but I see it as

00:30:28.140 an appropriate lens to see the world through.

00:30:30.320 And so I'd like to go down that path.

00:30:31.640 Well, now I'm suddenly presented with this conundrum again of like, Oh shit, it's the

00:30:35.080 Israel Palestine thing.

00:30:36.340 And not only that, but they're telling me what to think.

00:30:38.520 And that's a little, I don't like that.

00:30:40.580 I don't like, you know, I'd rather come across this information and come up with my own

00:30:44.280 ideas.

00:30:45.520 Yeah, that's not good.

00:30:46.640 And, um, and orthodoxy, we have what's called a spiritual father, meaning like a, it's usually

00:30:51.120 your priest.

00:30:51.660 It's the person that kind of guides you.

00:30:53.300 And if you need help or whatever through this life, they help you.

00:30:57.100 Mine is not my priest.

00:30:58.400 So, but it's nice to have two, you know, I have access to him and it's this gentleman

00:31:02.500 named, uh, father turbo qualls who does a show called the Royal path.

00:31:06.180 And he's turbo.

00:31:07.960 Yeah.

00:31:08.680 It's a, it's funny because his, um, that was his nickname.

00:31:14.540 He's an old punk rock guy, tattoo artist.

00:31:16.840 And that was his nickname before he was an orthodox priest.

00:31:20.480 And when you get baptized into orthodoxy, you take a saints name for it, but you don't

00:31:25.520 have to go by it all the time, but we all have our Baptist name and then our regular

00:31:28.980 names and his was already turbo.

00:31:31.340 And they found a St.

00:31:32.280 Turbo.

00:31:32.800 His friend called him.

00:31:33.500 He's like, you know, there's a St.

00:31:34.400 Turbo, right?

00:31:34.940 And he's like, Oh my God, you're kidding.

00:31:36.600 That guy was hardcore.

00:31:37.580 Probably.

00:31:38.140 Oh yeah.

00:31:38.440 That's the St.

00:31:39.440 Running real fast.

00:31:40.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:31:42.760 And he's got a show with, with Ciprian Van Armani called the Royal path.

00:31:46.420 And he specifically, I remember saving this clip and he said, when you become orthodox,

00:31:51.380 there's a few things you got to absolutely cut.

00:31:54.140 And the first one is you can't be a Zionist.

00:31:56.740 That's massive.

00:31:58.280 And if you are, it's not going to work.

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00:32:28.080 I already like it.

00:32:29.560 Yeah.

00:32:30.060 Once I heard that, I was like, whoa, I hadn't heard it phrased like that.

00:32:34.580 I'm hoping that this doesn't derail this too much.

00:32:38.240 But I am really curious as somebody who, you said you've been into this for two years

00:32:42.820 before this and still during, right?

00:32:45.480 Politics is sort of your area of interest.

00:32:48.760 And so I always wonder what people make of things.

00:32:52.700 Like, you know, we're having this thing where the church and state are crossing over in,

00:33:00.280 it's either Iowa or Idaho.

00:33:02.320 Oh, yeah.

00:33:02.920 One of those high places that doesn't really exist, right?

00:33:05.100 And in their state building, there is a sort of statue of like a Baphomet or something

00:33:10.980 like that.

00:33:11.980 The Church of Satan made sure to let me know personally today on Twitter that they have

00:33:16.020 nothing to do with that.

00:33:17.520 So I don't know.

00:33:18.480 I guess that absolves them.

00:33:19.900 But the statue was erected.

00:33:21.040 So wait up.

00:33:21.700 Satan told you that he didn't do it?

00:33:23.880 Well, yeah, that's right.

00:33:25.140 And I don't know if anybody knows he's the father of lies.

00:33:27.740 And so basically what happens is a Christian, I don't know what his political position is,

00:33:37.800 but this is what the article says.

00:33:39.540 He decapitates it, right?

00:33:41.060 And so based, awesome.

00:33:43.340 But there is always this bleeding over of religious or spiritual aspects into the world of politics.

00:33:50.620 And I'm always really curious as to how people who are purely political square these things.

00:33:54.840 Like, how does one square the idea that Hillary Clinton's emails leak and she's looking for

00:34:01.800 Gilgamesh or Nimrod?

00:34:05.260 And the bodies of the Nephilim.

00:34:06.820 And the bodies of the buried Nephilim.

00:34:08.400 How does one politically square that?

00:34:10.320 Because we were hanging out with Clint Russell.

00:34:12.720 Did she say that?

00:34:13.840 Yeah, she did.

00:34:15.420 The bodies of the Nephilim?

00:34:16.960 Did Hillary mention that?

00:34:18.240 She says she's looking for the grave of Gilgamesh, right?

00:34:21.360 Or the burial site of Gilgamesh.

00:34:23.420 The body of Gilgamesh and the buried Nephilim.

00:34:25.720 I think that's how it was actually worded.

00:34:27.040 In an email.

00:34:27.800 Maybe she's just asking for young children.

00:34:29.840 I mean, or.

00:34:32.200 Oh, she's also talking about sacrificing a chicken to Moloch, right?

00:34:36.440 So you have repeatedly these references between Hillary Clinton and these very esoteric,

00:34:43.680 especially when it comes to Gilgamesh, right?

00:34:45.000 We're talking like the Sumerian epic of Gilgamesh, and then, of course, the buried Nephilim, right?

00:34:51.500 The children.

00:34:52.300 Everybody knows the spiel.

00:34:53.260 It's what the goddamn show is named after.

00:34:54.780 But you have this over and over again.

00:34:57.480 And I am very curious as to how one, because I want to shake down Clint next time I see him.

00:35:02.540 And I'll be like, oh, okay, dude, okay.

00:35:03.800 I get it, right?

00:35:04.860 But what do you have to say about the buried Nephilim?

00:35:08.040 Like, how does one square that away?

00:35:09.440 If you were, Buck, to do a little brain exercise, how might you have received that information, you know, three years ago if you saw that email?

00:35:17.960 What would you – how would you square that away?

00:35:20.980 I would have thought they're into some goofy – you know, because when you're an atheist, or at least when I was, I would also dog on, like, satanic – you know, I just thought Islam, Satanism, Christianity.

00:35:33.900 I thought it was all goofy.

00:35:34.760 And so I would have just said, like, oh, she's into some stupid thing that's going to really affect how she's actually living because she's going along with this thing.

00:35:43.900 But is Clint like a staunch atheist or something?

00:35:47.940 No, you know what?

00:35:49.160 He seems to be like – he's a bitch-sitter, dude.

00:35:52.360 When we started Tower Gang, I don't want to brag, he was an atheist, and so was Jose Galasson.

00:35:58.060 Now, Jose, I've moved him up to agnostic.

00:36:00.420 He's not sure.

00:36:01.540 Clint will tell you that there is a God.

00:36:03.160 Because I just, like – I'll hammer the shit out of you, and I'll be funny about it.

00:36:06.960 And if you're not funnier than me, then that part's going to stick.

00:36:09.720 So every week, I'm just fucking at these guys.

00:36:12.680 But Clint, you know, Clint's still very much like the – it seems like a fence-sitter, but, like, he's talking about this stuff.

00:36:20.280 Can you believe they did this and this?

00:36:21.540 Like, it's just Nephilim shit, man.

00:36:22.940 And he's like, 3,000-year-old, this book, you guys reading it.

00:36:27.680 I was like, oh, man.

00:36:28.540 He is willing – you know what I find to be more palatable for the atheist or the agnostic, right, the people that aren't too sure.

00:36:35.020 And I was agnostic up until I had a demonic experience.

00:36:38.820 I'm not going to get into it because it's a whole fucking thing.

00:36:41.500 But I had an experience that really said, oh, I don't have the luxury of not knowing anymore.

00:36:46.820 And what is much more palatable – excuse me, palatable for people is this alien thing, which, by the way, is hand-in-hand with government and politics right now.

00:36:58.900 I mean not politics, but certainly government, right, in the form of disclosure.

00:37:02.020 It wasn't long ago that Mexico rolled out those sandcastle aliens and all these other things.

00:37:07.880 And so now we're getting this blending of, like, very official narratives that are being presented to people and also aliens.

00:37:14.320 And that, for some reason – I feel like if we talked to Clint and said, Clint, what about the aliens?

00:37:18.420 He'd go, yeah, man.

00:37:19.100 It's probably aliens.

00:37:19.960 He'd go, no, no, no.

00:37:20.520 They're not aliens, dude.

00:37:21.340 They're the ancient adversaries of mankind deceiving us once again.

00:37:26.080 Yeah, and it's kind of one of those things where I think there's a quote about – you might not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.

00:37:35.720 War is coming for you.

00:37:37.060 You can look at it and you can call it spiritual warfare.

00:37:40.540 You might pretend that it's not there or not even pretend, really have convinced yourself that it's not there.

00:37:47.240 But for me personally, part of my podcast, even when it was just strictly libertarian – and I think libertarians will appreciate this –

00:37:55.160 it's always about digging for what's below the surface.

00:37:58.320 I want the truth behind what they're telling us, this facade of politics, this show.

00:38:02.960 What's really behind that?

00:38:04.400 Well, if you keep looking further and further back, you do get to ancient spirituality and the first church and evil demons and good spirits, spiritual warfare behind this stuff.

00:38:18.560 It's always been push and pull.

00:38:21.120 So that's how I would look at that now with Hillary.

00:38:23.960 Obviously, Hillary understands that and that doesn't surprise me at all and it doesn't surprise me that she's fascinated with things like that.

00:38:33.040 I would suspect that she's probably very pro-state of Israel and I'm guessing anti-Christ is my – judged on her history.

00:38:43.520 Have you heard this idea that – and I don't know what I can get away with saying on YouTube – but this idea that the Star of David has nothing to do with the Star of David?

00:38:56.480 Are you familiar with this?

00:38:57.920 It's actually the Star of – in the King James Version, it says that they worship Molech and have taken up the Star of Remphan as their sort of symbol to represent these things.

00:39:10.820 And once again, that goes right back into the Hillary Clinton thing, where it's like she's saying in her emails that she's going to sacrifice a chicken to Molech, right?

00:39:20.560 And that the state of Israel, you know, the Jews of Israel believe that Christ is boiling in excrement.

00:39:29.540 And right now, I would say in the overall zeitgeist of maybe the conspiracy realm, these ideas of Molech and Baal and these child-sacrificing deities are like at the forefront of everything.

00:39:45.880 And then once again, it's like how that bleeds over into the political world.

00:39:49.540 Well, you'd be surprised actually.

00:39:50.860 There's a lot – I mean you think about Epstein's Island and all of the political blackmailing that was done there.

00:39:59.540 And that island has, you know, all the earmarks of being a temple and a temple related to all these deities.

00:40:08.160 So it's really interesting.

00:40:09.860 That's one of the levels, right?

00:40:11.260 Like I remember, man, probably 2018 if someone spoke about – because I was into conspiracy, but someone spoke about Epstein, most people would be like, you know, conspiracy.

00:40:22.020 And just now, like a couple weeks ago, our big one that broke was the Pizzagate one, right?

00:40:26.220 That one was, oh, debunked.

00:40:27.940 Look, Washington Post said it's fake.

00:40:29.680 And now everyone's just kind of like, yeah, Pizzagate.

00:40:32.300 They're fucking kids, you know?

00:40:34.080 And you keep scratching there.

00:40:35.940 And at the very bottom of that is kind of like what you found here, Buck, with this – and what I've noticed, you know, with God, with the church or at least like the spirituality.

00:40:47.920 I'm not sold on the church yet.

00:40:49.520 I'm still trying to figure out –

00:40:51.520 Well, that goes back to – well, yeah, but we just talked about how the Vatican has erected a statue of Moloch in Vatican City, right?

00:40:57.240 And that was happening in 2020, I think.

00:40:59.760 But it goes back to what Buck was just saying, right?

00:41:01.720 It's like, well, the libertarians, they want to know who's behind – they want to know the truth.

00:41:06.420 Who's behind the government corruption?

00:41:07.780 How are we being lied to on all these various levels?

00:41:09.460 And you scratch and you scratch and you scratch.

00:41:11.700 And maybe once you start to scratch the layer and you see a little bit of spirituality underneath it, some people back off.

00:41:18.020 And they go, I'm good right here, dude.

00:41:19.300 I'm going to sit right here.

00:41:20.800 But in anything, whether it's political corruption, grand conspiracy theory, once you start digging, yeah, man, you're going to find this as the baseline for everything.

00:41:31.780 All things are predicated on this spiritual warfare.

00:41:35.480 And if you're willing to go far enough, you're going to get there.

00:41:37.880 Buck, Top was telling me – and I don't know if this is true because he lies to me all the time.

00:41:44.380 This idea that within Christian orthodoxy, you actually have to – there's something about exorcism.

00:41:51.320 Are you exposed to the concept of exorcism or how does that go?

00:41:55.160 Yes, when you get – when you have been going to a church and you say, I would like to get baptized here and become orthodox, you – they say, okay, first you're going to be a catechumen.

00:42:08.660 It's a period of about a year to a year and a half where you learn the traditions, you learn about it because it's a lot.

00:42:15.380 There is a lot of things to learn.

00:42:17.380 When you become a catechumen, they do a ceremony over you, reading a series of prayers, and part of that is an exorcism.

00:42:24.660 It's not like in the movies where you start shaking or something like that, but with those prayers said over you to become a catechumen, there is an exorcism – there's multiple exorcism prayers done.

00:42:40.400 Now, there can also – within the church, there are serious exorcisms that can be done.

00:42:46.300 One, I actually had a guy on my show, and he was Catholic, so this was in the Catholic church.

00:42:51.380 He's a priest, and he's one of – I want to say, I don't know, it was a low number, 20-something maybe in – I think in the world, could have been America.

00:43:02.240 Whatever the case is, there's not a lot of them that he's designated one of their exorcists.

00:43:07.280 And he told me about all kinds of bizarre, crazy ones that were like the movies, and he said the first one he went to with his mentor, the guy – he was basically studying and kind of like, you stand by, watch, here's how we do it.

00:43:23.120 And the body was rising up like that of the lady, and he was like, wow, I'm getting myself into something crazy.

00:43:29.600 But, yeah, so there are those serious exorcisms done, but upon entering the catechumenate process, there's just exorcism prayers read over you.

00:43:41.200 Wow, that's really interesting, especially coming off the heels of the last interview that we did.

00:43:46.720 Are you familiar with Jerry Marzinski?

00:43:49.460 I am not.

00:43:50.720 All right, he's a licensed psychotherapist who worked in the field for 30 years at the time when psych wards were prevalent.

00:43:59.600 And that's kind of where he started.

00:44:01.860 And he tells a story of how he quickly went from like, you know, reading what they tell you in college, and like this is what schizophrenia is, to, oh, no, these are actually demons and entities.

00:44:14.020 Oh, I've got to watch that episode.

00:44:15.340 Okay.

00:44:15.680 Yeah.

00:44:16.120 I mean, you should probably interview the guy with somebody from the Orthodox Church because I'd be, you know, really excited to see what he thinks about that technique.

00:44:25.200 Like, as we did our interview with him, we asked him about, like, well, there's got to be a way.

00:44:29.780 How do we, how do we get, you know, how do we battle this?

00:44:33.720 His idea, one of his main ideas, which is kind of interesting, is that none of our thoughts are actually our own.

00:44:38.760 We're kind of like, or very few.

00:44:40.620 We're like an antenna that will pick up what we're tuned to.

00:44:45.160 Yes.

00:44:45.280 And sometimes you get that sticky demon, and you end up in a psych ward, and they're telling you, you know, they've split your mind in half.

00:44:53.240 Yes.

00:44:54.020 So, yeah, one of the things he said is, like, he never mentioned exorcism, but he said there's, like, frequency techniques.

00:44:59.680 There's just the fact of noticing.

00:45:03.980 Instead of believing, like, I'm schizophrenic, this is a medical condition.

00:45:07.400 Like, no, there are actually, you know, two things.

00:45:10.780 One sounds like me, but it's not me.

00:45:13.200 It's leading me down a path of destruction constantly.

00:45:17.400 And, man, I got to watch that episode, but it just triggered a memory from Father Turbo.

00:45:23.700 My spiritual father told me, I think he told Mark Clare this, too.

00:45:27.140 He's been on Mark's show.

00:45:29.020 When you hear the voice in your head say you, that's probably demonic.

00:45:35.380 When it says I, think of it as something that could be more healthier, let's say.

00:45:42.200 So, if I'm sitting here bored or something, and I hear a voice say, Buck, you should look at porn.

00:45:48.780 You.

00:45:49.500 You should look at porn.

00:45:51.500 That's when you say, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:45:53.500 It's not me.

00:45:54.080 That's not me thinking this.

00:45:55.820 Just a simple exercise of, you know, once I heard it articulated that way, it's never left in my mind.

00:46:03.160 Like, that's a fascinating way to think about this.

00:46:05.480 And just something to throw out there.

00:46:07.720 You know what's interesting?

00:46:08.840 I'm thinking about Joe Biden now, where he's probably so old that he doesn't even have any of the dialogue.

00:46:13.880 So, they write it on an index card.

00:46:15.240 They're like, you take your seed.

00:46:17.860 It's like, no, no, that's just the, that's the demon that's controlling your intern over there.

00:46:21.100 She wrote that on an index card.

00:46:22.100 Correct.

00:46:22.660 Right.

00:46:23.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:23.940 That's where America's at.

00:46:24.960 It is.

00:46:25.460 It is.

00:46:25.940 And it's, he's to the point.

00:46:28.260 Matt Erickson, you brought up briefly from Kingfield Show.

00:46:30.760 He told me once, he's a very deep thinker, like Vin is.

00:46:34.480 And Matt told me once, you know, there's people that if you say, hey, picture an apple, that they don't picture it in their head.

00:46:41.760 And I was like, well, how, how, what, what are they doing?

00:46:43.980 He's like, they're blank.

00:46:44.860 And I'm like, what?

00:46:45.760 That's what I think of when I see Joe Biden talk now.

00:46:48.320 It's like, if you said, Mr. President, think about an apple.

00:46:52.240 He, like, there would just be nothing there.

00:46:54.940 He shit his pants.

00:46:56.260 Like, what's an apple?

00:46:57.480 Vice President, even more so, I would say.

00:47:00.760 You know, and it could be, it could be this overlap of like in America, like how Jerry was talking about a lot of America's on, on SSRIs or antidepressants.

00:47:11.720 That's kind of like blanketing a lot of maybe that inner voice or your ability to, to conceive of what an apple is even at, like some people can't see it at all.

00:47:20.940 Some people see it as a rudimentary drawing and then it goes all the way up to detail with light and shading and all that kind of shit like that.

00:47:26.480 Um, so yeah, but with the, the proliferation of SSRIs and the increase in, he was saying that like the increase in schizophrenia diagnosis is like way through the roof now.

00:47:39.700 It's almost like everyone is schizophrenic and, and, and because this is a spiritual battle, right?

00:47:45.160 This is complete spiritual warfare.

00:47:47.060 So either we blanket these people and turn them into NPCs with SSRIs and God knows what else.

00:47:52.880 Right.

00:47:53.400 And then the other half of that is like literally just talking to demons.

00:47:56.640 Yes.

00:47:57.360 And, and there's, I, I did a show with a guy named David Patrick Harry, who's a really good Orthodox podcaster and he's very good at taking common topics of, of the moment and explaining them through Orthodoxy.

00:48:10.540 And he was kind of saying the NPC phenomenon are literally, but we all are born in an image of Christ and we have Christ.

00:48:19.120 We call them in the Orthodox church, Christ's energies, um, basically happiness, love, kindness, virtue, his energies can, can make us who we are and to good people.

00:48:31.100 But without them, you're just basically an automaton with no, no real heart and soul in you.

00:48:37.600 And that's what these NPCs actually are as you, you, you, we all know this at this point, but it's just like, Hey, take a jab.

00:48:44.660 Okay.

00:48:44.960 I take jab.

00:48:45.960 Hey, put this sticker on your thing.

00:48:47.360 I put sticker on, like, there's no, there's no humanity within them because they've lost Christ.

00:48:53.740 Yeah.

00:48:54.180 We, we're doing this really fun thing in America, in Western culture where it's like, um, we're throwing out the baby, the bathwater, like we're throwing it all out.

00:49:03.380 And we, we think ourselves so intelligent, like we're so smug about it.

00:49:07.560 You know what I mean?

00:49:08.040 This like abandoning religion and spirituality, um, and concepts of God and trying to explain it all away.

00:49:14.500 And it's like, as we're doing that, the overall mental and spiritual health of, you know, the general population is suffering immensely.

00:49:21.340 And nobody wants to admit that there is a direct parallel to these things where it's like, you know, watch the mental health decline along with the belief in God decline.

00:49:30.580 And when you talk to Jerry Marzinski, you know, like I said, he's been a clinical psychologist or top set it for, for 30 years.

00:49:38.240 And a lot of the times I'm hesitant.

00:49:40.900 And certainly prior to talking to, to, to Jerry, I was hesitant, uh, top to say like, you know, these are demons, dude.

00:49:49.680 Like, you know what I mean?

00:49:50.380 Like it just felt, it sounds like my mom would be like, that's a demon in you boy, get that demon out your head.

00:49:56.740 And I'm like, it's just crazy.

00:49:57.820 But now I'm like, shit, dude, because it sounds, it, not only does it sound, um, unintelligent and that's how far we've become programmed, right.

00:50:07.300 As a society, but it also sounds dangerous.

00:50:09.720 It's like, wait, wait a second.

00:50:11.060 These people have a medical issue and to entertain the spiritual aspect of it is going to only damage them further.

00:50:17.740 And it's going to put us back in the dark ages.

00:50:19.360 So there was like almost this, like, not only shame for sounding stupid, but this like caution behind it for not wanting to, you know, destroy society at large.

00:50:28.680 But after listening to him, uh, 30 years of experience, I mean, what more do you need?

00:50:33.840 Do you need, he said 35.

00:50:35.160 So let's fucking, it was 35 motherfucker.

00:50:36.920 Do you need 40?

00:50:37.860 Do you need 50 years of experience for somebody to come and tell you something of that nature?

00:50:41.360 Like this is an expert in the field.

00:50:43.180 And one of the things that he said, uh, that would, uh, that he used as a, was Psalms 23.

00:50:51.800 He said that he, he would use that, uh, very effectively that these things would react.

00:50:56.320 I don't know if he said it or somebody else like, um, like worms on a frying pan.

00:50:59.960 He said that if you started to read that.

00:51:01.980 And so, you know, we, uh, it's just amazing that we have this arrogance about us and it's the same.

00:51:07.980 I believe it's the same arrogance, um, that a lot of people who kind of poo-poo spirituality and poo-poo conspiracy theories, right?

00:51:17.300 What do you think?

00:51:18.200 You think there's a, a dark cabal that runs the world?

00:51:20.940 That rhetoric, by the way, has run dry for the most part because with the introduction of the, the deep state into everyone's vernacular, um, nobody says that anymore.

00:51:32.140 Did you notice that?

00:51:32.860 Cause when I, I've been at this for a long time and I was often met with, oh, who is it?

00:51:37.760 Is it the Illuminati?

00:51:38.880 Like this, these tropes that, that were very, yeah.

00:51:41.660 Who is they?

00:51:43.140 Oh, that's, that's the other one.

00:51:44.420 That one is almost, as far as I'm concerned, is almost completely broken.

00:51:47.660 Kanye's back.

00:51:48.400 I don't know if you guys seen this.

00:51:49.420 He's going wild.

00:51:51.640 Top left to rap.

00:51:53.200 Yeah.

00:51:55.100 Somebody, somebody commented, I wish I did.

00:51:57.000 They, they quote tweeted it and they said, uh, this was me on Thanksgiving, but it just didn't go over as well.

00:52:01.900 Yeah, me too.

00:52:03.520 Yes.

00:52:04.600 Yeah, actually me too.

00:52:06.420 Yes.

00:52:07.200 Uh, it's funny because we still use terminology in our vernacular that is similar.

00:52:11.940 If someone's dealing with all, we always say, oh, he's got demons.

00:52:14.960 He's got demons, but it's, it's more rare to say, like you were saying, that's a deep, you know, if you say that's a demon, I did notice over the 2020 year that started to come out a little bit more.

00:52:27.540 Or when you would see some of what we saw on TV and, and, and forcing people to do these things, I did start to slowly hear like, that's just a demon.

00:52:36.160 We're seeing demons, you know?

00:52:37.240 So that's a good thing, right?

00:52:39.120 That's, that's, that's progress.

00:52:41.180 I would say a lot.

00:52:42.380 It's funny as the old atheist to me is like, how's that progress?

00:52:46.400 You know, that backwards, then Armani and like guys like Owen Benjamin, I've been Armani, Cyprian and Owen Benjamin are really good at things.

00:52:54.160 Like one thing I noticed, not noticed, but like really convicted myself on the other day, I was thinking about alcoholism and I was like, these are spirits.

00:53:01.860 Like I've walked by us, the store at Walmart and I was like, oh, it's like, cause before I've, I've like a Vin Armani would have said this five years ago.

00:53:10.140 And I'd be like, yeah, right on.

00:53:11.640 And then just kind of go on my life.

00:53:12.980 But now I'm like, I can't not see it anymore.

00:53:15.220 It's like right in your face.

00:53:17.680 Yes.

00:53:18.040 That's like, that's a good way to put it.

00:53:19.440 Have you all seen that?

00:53:20.800 I'm sure you've seen that clip of that lady comedian kind of making fun of God and people that don't want to take the jab and, and she just collapses.

00:53:28.080 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:29.000 That's, that's American society right now.

00:53:31.060 Like making fun of God, doing what we're told, teasing all of those idiots that don't like us.

00:53:36.280 And then just like falling on your face.

00:53:38.260 And it just, that, that like, she represents like just modern culture society to me when I see that.

00:53:45.240 Absolutely.

00:53:45.640 You know, a lot of it too, is, is this, I think we were only allowed to get to that point, right?

00:53:50.440 Like I often say comedians, since we're on the topic, you can get on stage and you could dunk on Christ, like all day to like a resounding applause.

00:54:00.060 You know what I mean?

00:54:00.800 And you, you can build, especially back in the day, not so much now, because now it's, it's, um, what's the expression top?

00:54:07.140 Like safe, safe, dangerous.

00:54:09.620 Yeah.

00:54:09.820 Yeah.

00:54:10.220 Yeah.

00:54:10.480 Like back in the day, you could really like build a whole career off of getting on stage and saying the wildest shit about Christ.

00:54:17.520 Now people still do it.

00:54:18.940 And it's like, yeah, well, you know, everybody's kind of, it's old news to do that, but you can't do that with like Muhammad.

00:54:25.340 You're not getting on stage and doing a whole thing about Muhammad.

00:54:28.100 Right.

00:54:28.520 There's so many things that people are.

00:54:30.320 And I often look at that.

00:54:31.280 It's like, there's, there's a flip side.

00:54:32.960 All right.

00:54:34.260 The, the people you're not supposed to criticize, those are the people that you really should scrutinize, right?

00:54:38.960 Like you're not allowed to say anything, but I often look at the flip side of the coin.

00:54:42.100 The people who you're allowed to viciously dunk on with no repercussions whatsoever and are even celebrated, you know, uh, culturally or societally celebrated for doing so.

00:54:52.160 White people and Christians.

00:54:53.340 Yep.

00:54:53.620 Yes.

00:54:54.660 Right.

00:54:55.100 So I look at Christ and I'm like, why are you allowed to say whatever you want?

00:55:02.220 And like, especially in American culture, you might even get put on a little pedestal.

00:55:06.380 You might even get some money.

00:55:07.400 You might get some paper for doing that.

00:55:08.940 You know what I mean?

00:55:09.520 You might get a huge following and, and become sort of a, you know, a recognized, uh, person in the sphere of influence for doing that.

00:55:16.820 And, but that, where, where are the people who are like regularly dunking on Muhammad?

00:55:21.500 I don't see them on Netflix.

00:55:22.680 It's, it's so safe, dangerous when you really think about it in the end, because Christianity is such a beautiful religion that like, yeah, you're going to mock Christ and God and everything else beyond that.

00:55:35.180 You're going to fall right on your face, clack, hit your head on the stage, but still you have a chance.

00:55:42.140 It's not over for America.

00:55:43.680 It's not, I, and I'm, I'm just thinking of this now as we're doing this podcast, it's easy to get blackpilled, but it's, it's not over for you.

00:55:50.780 Even though you're a complete asshole right now, you can black out, but you can still get up.

00:55:56.880 Yep.

00:55:57.400 And you can still face the right way.

00:55:58.940 There's time.

00:56:00.000 Yep.

00:56:00.880 You can.

00:56:01.300 And, and, and, and as Christians, we would see that lady and pray for her.

00:56:05.740 And I think there's probably some, uh, Muslims that would want her, you know, if that was against Muhammad or something, they would want her head cut off.

00:56:14.620 Right.

00:56:15.160 I mean, I'm, I'm all about praying for her.

00:56:18.800 Um, but I am still going to have a laugh first.

00:56:22.320 Oh, sorry, dude.

00:56:23.560 I'm still going to have a laugh first.

00:56:25.180 Like when I saw that lady, I couldn't believe, like, you know, um, you just said, right.

00:56:29.920 White people and Christians.

00:56:31.180 The reason that I knew not to get the jab was from being a conspiracy theorist.

00:56:36.460 And it was something that I learned was, was going to come to pass 2006, 2007.

00:56:41.780 I was learning about this.

00:56:42.820 And, and, and this is from a bunch of different places, but one of the most iconic moments was like Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory, that show that he used to have.

00:56:51.240 And he had this little lady on and she's saying like, one day they're going to manufacture a virus.

00:56:54.800 And they're going to release it on the world.

00:56:56.380 And, uh, and the virus really isn't going to be that big of a deal, but it's the, you know, the ensuing jab, that's going to be a big issue.

00:57:02.720 And they're going to force that on people.

00:57:03.960 And it's going to really be a problem.

00:57:05.560 And so for a long time, when I was a kid, I was like, swine flu, is that it?

00:57:09.740 No bird flu.

00:57:10.680 Is that it?

00:57:11.220 No, it's the, you know, H1N1, the avian, this and that.

00:57:13.940 And, uh, the Zika virus, Ebola, there was an Ebola.

00:57:17.180 I was waiting for it for so long and it never came to pass.

00:57:19.820 In fact, when, uh, when the vid first popped off, I was actually in denial.

00:57:23.860 I was like, dude, I've seen all these things coming.

00:57:26.760 You know, this is not going to be it.

00:57:28.980 And then sure enough, it ended up and I'm watching it unfold.

00:57:32.060 And I was like, Ebola was right before it.

00:57:34.480 And I remember being freaked out.

00:57:36.200 My wife was working in, uh, some medical facility and I was freaked out about the Ebola thing.

00:57:40.740 And then COVID happened.

00:57:42.080 And I was like, fucking again.

00:57:43.840 And then it turns out, this is the real thing, guys.

00:57:45.880 Everybody like they're, they're doing it now.

00:57:48.000 Yep.

00:57:49.160 I remember when I was like 2009, I was, I was working at Longhorn Steakhouse.

00:57:53.000 I think it was 2009, whatever it was.

00:57:54.240 And I saw an Asian lady, uh, with a SART, like a mask on.

00:57:58.540 We called them SARS masks at the time.

00:58:00.040 Cause we, you know, there was no other terminology associated with it.

00:58:02.580 And I was like, she was walking around outside by Walmart and shit.

00:58:05.200 And I was like, what the fuck is going on?

00:58:06.400 I thought it was it, man.

00:58:07.280 But you know, it never came to pass.

00:58:08.440 But the same time that I'm learning that is the same time, right?

00:58:13.720 2006, 2007, I'm coming to terms with, oh, the next big persecution is going to be white

00:58:20.120 people and Christians.

00:58:22.400 And maybe you couldn't have necessarily known that.

00:58:26.100 Cause this was, you know, all through conspiracy theories.

00:58:28.100 I'm just attached to YouTube back in the day when YouTube was still the wild, wild west.

00:58:31.700 And I'm being inundated with all this schizophrenic information.

00:58:34.240 And there's a bunch of different angles, but they're all saying the same thing.

00:58:39.620 And, um, you look at it now and it's like, oh, we're like right there.

00:58:46.500 I can certainly see some dramatic increase in what you would call the persecution of white

00:58:55.480 people and Christians.

00:58:56.740 Like we're right to me, in my opinion, it feels like we're on the cusp of that.

00:59:01.200 It's happening in Ukraine.

00:59:02.200 I don't know if y'all paid attention.

00:59:03.640 I'm so glad Tucker's brought it up multiple times now on, on interviews.

00:59:08.160 Uh, and I think even, uh, Vivek brought it up in one of his debates.

00:59:12.260 So the, obviously the, we understand what Zelensky represents and it's our state department,

00:59:18.000 all of these evil factions backing him up.

00:59:21.020 And that's the, unfortunately, like the war that our government's on the side of, they

00:59:26.160 shut the original church in Ukraine, the Orthodox church in Ukraine.

00:59:29.840 And they started kicking the, the monks out and shutting those churches down, putting

00:59:34.380 the priests in prison.

00:59:35.720 So they are doing that with our money.

00:59:38.960 Oh man.

00:59:41.060 That's the worst part.

00:59:41.900 That's the kicker, right?

00:59:42.600 We're funding that to the tune of billions of dollars.

00:59:46.040 Yes.

00:59:46.440 It's, it's like these things, these things start in certain places, like a test run.

00:59:51.100 Can we do it here?

00:59:52.460 And they're successful.

00:59:53.540 So I'm not looking forward to 2024, whatever that brings wild.

00:59:57.740 It's going to be wild.

00:59:59.520 I mean, it's going to be great for content, but, uh, it's not going to be great, you know,

01:00:03.500 in any other, uh, in any other shape or form.

01:00:06.680 If we can make content, it will be great.

01:00:09.000 If we're allowed to make content.

01:00:12.460 I was talking to, uh, wait, I wasn't talking to anybody.

01:00:15.200 This is all in my mind.

01:00:15.980 I was talking to the demons now.

01:00:16.980 Uh, so I was thinking about reaching out to you top and saying, Hey, what do we do in

01:00:22.180 the, in the event of an internet outage?

01:00:25.360 And I'm like, do we, cause I look, man, it's been a long time coming.

01:00:30.680 What I want to do is, is, is share information with people and it genuinely feels good.

01:00:35.620 And I'm sure Buck, you can attest to that, right?

01:00:37.440 It's like the things that you're sharing with people, you genuinely feel are pointing them

01:00:40.900 in the right direction.

01:00:41.560 I don't want that to stop.

01:00:42.860 So I'm like, what do we do?

01:00:43.820 Do we do like ham radio, like short, short, whatever the hell.

01:00:46.980 Like, is that what, what happens?

01:00:48.480 Do you, you know, pick up a little bit of equipment here and there until like, all right, if shit

01:00:53.580 hits the fan, I've got enough to get a message out there because yeah, look, somebody just

01:00:58.560 said it, uh, uh, ham radio in the chat, the butcher.

01:01:01.120 Um, I, I think that that might be the way.

01:01:03.320 And I think for people that are ham radio, get it.

01:01:07.960 There you go.

01:01:08.740 Yeah.

01:01:09.060 I think that there's something to that because, uh, I've been sitting on the sidelines, not

01:01:14.040 participating vocally.

01:01:15.160 You know, I've always had crap that I was putting on my Instagram and social medias.

01:01:18.820 Don't, you know, don't get the donut and the beer.

01:01:22.720 Don't use that as the leverage to go and get the thing.

01:01:24.960 Because while this was happening, um, I'm glad that I, I at least was one of the people

01:01:29.320 that was vocal about it in the sense of like putting out information.

01:01:31.960 I didn't have a show that was dedicated to it, but I was putting out the studies that

01:01:35.440 Dr. Robert Malone and Peter McCullough were, were talking about very early on in this thing.

01:01:41.320 And so, um, it's always been important to me.

01:01:43.940 And now that we have a platform where we're, you know, ideally helping people, I would hate

01:01:48.800 for that to stop.

01:01:50.320 What's your Twitter?

01:01:51.460 I got to make sure I follow you.

01:01:53.200 My Twitter is, I thought I did it real early and screwed it up.

01:01:56.780 So it's David underscore Lee underscore Corbo.

01:02:00.060 Uh, real easy to find because there's no Davids in the world.

01:02:03.120 So it's actually, this, this kind of topic really, uh, is what made me really love like

01:02:11.520 the Pete Quinones type of dudes.

01:02:13.720 He's like, Oh, he already follows you.

01:02:15.140 He's like, yeah, you suck.

01:02:16.040 I follow you already.

01:02:16.860 Um, I think that happened earlier.

01:02:18.540 Yeah.

01:02:19.040 This idea of like something happening, like, uh, maybe a year or two ago, Pete Quinones was

01:02:22.900 like drilling deep on what do we do when shit hits the fan.

01:02:27.280 And wow.

01:02:28.580 It feels like, it feels like an entire lifetime ago, but have you been up to anything?

01:02:32.400 Like, like shoring up whatever you got to do.

01:02:36.080 You talking about me?

01:02:37.500 Yeah.

01:02:37.960 Yeah.

01:02:38.600 Yeah.

01:02:39.040 A little bit.

01:02:39.680 I, I have, I'll pay, let's see, what's the best way to put this?

01:02:43.560 I work for a fire department.

01:02:44.740 I can't disclose which one, so I'll get in trouble, but I've certainly been looking at

01:02:49.760 retirement.

01:02:50.880 Um, what I need for that, what the future looks like, um, what could go wrong with that, um,

01:02:58.560 crypto stuff versus dollars and, and these kinds of, that's the

01:03:02.400 that's the main stuff that I'm trying to get situated in squared away in the next five

01:03:08.360 or six years, uh, to make sure that if shit does hit the fan, I can still exist.

01:03:13.920 And, um, my church community here too is big.

01:03:17.500 This is big and orthodoxy survivalist and, and this kind of stuff.

01:03:21.500 Um, so we have plans as well to get property, um, that's pretty big, uh, that can serve not

01:03:29.060 only for church functions, but for other things that if, if, if things were to go South, um,

01:03:34.520 they also never closed during the lockdowns.

01:03:36.980 My church never, ever closed and refused to do so.

01:03:39.780 Um, we serve the, the, um, communion, they call it the Eucharist.

01:03:44.560 We call it, um, it's, it's a shared spoon.

01:03:47.940 So everyone goes up, you get the blood and, and, uh, flesh and blood of Christ and, and take

01:03:54.880 it never stopped sharing a spoon, um, through COVID.

01:03:59.020 Um, because we believe that what you're taking is not symbolic and there's absolutely no way

01:04:06.300 that it would transfer disease, uh, to do that.

01:04:09.320 It would, in fact, we believe that it would probably help you rather than any sort of way

01:04:13.800 harm you.

01:04:14.240 So, you know, there might be something to it like before it would be like, you know, well,

01:04:20.760 what does the science say?

01:04:21.600 But now, like after doing all this investigation where a lot of the things, uh, a lot of these

01:04:26.560 demonic encounters that people have described, uh, literally just saying the name of Jesus

01:04:31.960 Christ, you have to, they got to leave.

01:04:33.960 And it doesn't matter what religion you are or what race you are or whatever you say those

01:04:39.140 words and it's like, damn, all right, game over.

01:04:41.760 Very legalistic and I hate it.

01:04:44.020 Very Jewish, uh, of, of this, like this world, this spiritual worlds will work that way, but

01:04:48.920 the fact stands, right?

01:04:50.900 Well, what's that expression?

01:04:51.880 We, we struggle with, uh, uh, powers and principalities.

01:04:55.100 Yeah, that's my favorite Bible verse.

01:04:56.800 It's Ephesians 6, 12.

01:04:58.640 Yeah.

01:04:59.140 It says as above, so below, right?

01:05:00.780 I mean, we are a political people.

01:05:03.600 It would only make sense that there are laws and, and politics essentially, uh, amongst,

01:05:09.680 you know, higher beings or beings in the spiritual realm.

01:05:12.640 But, you know, on this topic of, um, of preparation, we're in such a weird space right now.

01:05:18.580 I think we've become used to the speed of the propaganda machine and how much we're inundated

01:05:24.900 with like really high level disturbing crap on a regular basis.

01:05:29.380 Right.

01:05:29.940 It's like over the weekend, um, I watched that film, right?

01:05:34.840 The Obama propaganda film.

01:05:37.360 Oh, you did?

01:05:37.920 Uh-huh.

01:05:38.920 Yeah.

01:05:39.740 And it is inundated with, uh, really alarming stuff because I don't even think you have

01:05:46.520 to be a conspiracy theorist or conspiracy minded to feel like this movie is not a movie and

01:05:52.820 it's talking to you.

01:05:53.980 You know, there is, I, in hindsight, there is no real story.

01:06:01.160 The ending is not an ending.

01:06:02.660 It leaves you hanging.

01:06:03.780 They didn't care about it.

01:06:04.680 And it feels like the point of the film was not to, to tell you anything about what was

01:06:09.420 going on, what, what was happening.

01:06:12.100 The film is just filled with some speculation as to like why these events are unfolding.

01:06:17.620 Nothing is ever confirmed.

01:06:19.480 And it truly is somehow still a very good movie.

01:06:23.820 Um, I don't want to give away any spoilers because I, Buck, you haven't seen it.

01:06:27.540 No.

01:06:28.380 And top, I know you haven't watched it yet either.

01:06:31.100 Uh, you have to watch it because it'll give you, I, I literally, I don't know.

01:06:34.680 Literally, I was watching it and I, I said to top dooring it, I, I said, if the grid goes

01:06:39.860 down, I'm coming to, to your house.

01:06:41.300 Cause I don't know anybody in Florida and I have family out here, but they're all like

01:06:45.780 kind of gangbangers.

01:06:47.200 They don't have any, anything going on for them.

01:06:48.860 So I'm like, no, I can't.

01:06:49.500 They might have weapons for you.

01:06:51.420 No, I don't know about even that.

01:06:52.980 I think they're all, uh, empty, but so, uh, that hits.

01:06:57.840 And then right after it is this, this preview for this film, uh, civil war, which is another

01:07:04.280 really big one right now.

01:07:05.840 And these two events, countless people have connected them together because I'll give it

01:07:12.020 to them.

01:07:12.360 It feels uncanny.

01:07:13.140 It feels like we were presented with these two things.

01:07:15.800 Um, and right now at the forefront of a lot of people's minds is this sort of preparedness.

01:07:23.420 And one of the strange things, um, I don't know, Buck, if you saw this top, I know you

01:07:28.160 saw me post about it was that in the background of the film, this is very strange because I'm

01:07:33.300 always, I don't watch movies like a normal person anymore.

01:07:35.360 I haven't for 16 years.

01:07:37.640 I, I watched them as like these, um, where's Waldo kind of experiments where I'm just looking

01:07:42.840 in the background for things.

01:07:44.160 And, uh, so in the film, there is this moment where CNN is playing in the background and

01:07:49.600 the, there's outages.

01:07:51.920 Yeah, of course there's outages that, uh, everybody's experiencing and they're mapped

01:07:56.000 out on a grid over the United States, uh, represented by varying shades of red, darker,

01:08:01.180 the red, the more intense the, the issue is the lighter the red, you know, and then

01:08:05.040 ultimately white is not an issue.

01:08:06.340 So hidden within this grid of, of white and dark red is a QR code.

01:08:13.740 And the QR code is positioned over Kentucky, uh, over a military base, I believe in Kentucky.

01:08:20.620 And if you scan the QR code, it brings you to a abandoned amusement park, not a website

01:08:30.920 for an official amusement park, rather a website dedicated to the fact that this is a spooky

01:08:37.000 and abandoned amusement park, uh, that was built on an Indian burial ground.

01:08:41.840 It's haunted, whatever all that means.

01:08:44.400 I don't know.

01:08:45.480 That's literally America.

01:08:47.020 It's an amusement park built on an Indian grave.

01:08:51.840 Yeah.

01:08:51.920 But yeah, and we're all going around on the, uh, roller coasters, but that's where it ends.

01:08:56.980 I haven't found any more to the trail.

01:08:58.820 I don't know what any of that means, but like, it certainly evokes this feeling of unease at

01:09:08.020 the minimum.

01:09:08.460 Like, what the hell does this mean?

01:09:10.340 It, the whole thing feels like a message in my opinion to like, it's coming sooner than

01:09:16.840 later, people who are in the know, you know, Hey, this is for you.

01:09:20.860 And people who are really in the know, the QR code is for them.

01:09:24.700 Like that QR code.

01:09:26.960 And the fact that it's positioned over a military base, somebody, I, in my opinion, has probably

01:09:32.200 seen that.

01:09:32.820 And they're like, all right, you know, just before election, uh, it's time to go in the

01:09:37.860 bunker.

01:09:38.120 You know what I mean?

01:09:38.820 Like somebody's got that information.

01:09:40.240 The whole thing felt like a coded message.

01:09:42.080 And then, like I said, now we're going onto the civil war movie and it all just feels like

01:09:46.380 it's a, uh, uh, talking about things to come.

01:09:49.160 Yes.

01:09:49.400 And I noticed, uh, I got to go pretty soon here.

01:09:52.280 I got to actually do an interview in a few minutes, but I wanted to point this out.

01:09:57.460 Um, they mentioned in that preview for civil war, something about the Republic of Texas

01:10:02.980 or Texas going rogue or something about my state.

01:10:06.060 I can't remember how they phrase it, but you guys teamed up with California.

01:10:10.320 I noticed that too.

01:10:11.480 And I found it interesting because Texas secession is now going to be on the, um, Republican

01:10:18.160 primary ballot.

01:10:19.280 Well, when we vote here for, for the next election on you, it's only on the Republican one.

01:10:24.060 And it's the secession amendment is basically saying if it passes on that, it will be on

01:10:32.020 a statewide ballot for Texas to leave the union.

01:10:35.940 And it was like, that's funny timing.

01:10:38.320 Just as this starts ramping up, this movie comes out and it's basically like, Oh, here's

01:10:42.900 what's going to happen.

01:10:43.460 If you try to leave, you know, it's what it felt like to me.

01:10:46.900 Oh man.

01:10:48.000 That's completely disturbing.

01:10:50.220 Yeah.

01:10:51.040 Before you go, I want to ask you, I, there's a Greek Orthodox church around the corner from

01:10:55.820 me and I've expressed to you, like, I don't really know what I'm doing, dude.

01:10:59.400 Uh, do you recommend?

01:11:01.480 Yes.

01:11:02.080 A hundred percent.

01:11:02.740 Where are you in Florida?

01:11:03.640 I'm in, uh, Port Ritchie.

01:11:06.000 It's on the West coast.

01:11:07.380 What, what's, what does, are they going to be speaking Greek?

01:11:09.980 This has been my, no, no, not usually.

01:11:13.200 I will say the Greeks out of all the jurisdictions have more of a reputation for a little bit

01:11:19.440 of the end group preference than others.

01:11:22.640 But, uh, I've never been to an Orthodox, uh, Greek Orthodox church.

01:11:25.960 I just know I've just been around now a little bit and kind of get that vibe.

01:11:29.120 I have a friend in Florida that goes to a Greek Orthodox church and I can't remember where

01:11:34.700 she's at.

01:11:35.380 And she's kind of an ex libertarian type, but she, she loves, she loves it.

01:11:40.800 So I would definitely recommend, here's what I would do if any, this is for anyone listening.

01:11:45.420 Here's what I did.

01:11:47.280 And it helped.

01:11:48.820 I emailed the website of the church and said, Hey, just, I've been thinking about coming

01:11:54.580 in.

01:11:55.420 What should I avoid or what should I wear?

01:11:57.840 Do I have to dress?

01:11:58.440 You know, something kind of generic that just lets them know you're interested.

01:12:02.280 And they immediately wrote back and no, come on in.

01:12:04.680 Yeah.

01:12:05.060 Et cetera, et cetera.

01:12:05.820 I got there.

01:12:06.540 They recognize this guy is new, you know?

01:12:08.980 So they came up and talked to me.

01:12:10.380 It was great.

01:12:10.820 And I, you know, at the time I felt a little awkward, like I don't want my politics to

01:12:15.040 get out because they're going to think I'm crazy.

01:12:17.040 And they just went right into like, I heard your podcast and yeah, no one hates communists

01:12:21.460 more than the Orthodox.

01:12:22.540 And I was like, Oh, okay.

01:12:23.480 We're good.

01:12:24.340 This is a hard, it's such a hard sell, such a hard sell, man.

01:12:28.460 Yeah.

01:12:29.120 And so when he said that, I was like, you can't be a Zionist.

01:12:33.020 Yeah.

01:12:33.500 My priest literally said, no one hates communists more than we do.

01:12:36.620 And I was like, he goes, I mean, they tried to destroy the Orthodox church in Russia.

01:12:40.440 And I was like, Oh, that makes sense.

01:12:41.920 Okay.

01:12:42.960 So yeah, it was, uh, it was nice.

01:12:46.020 It was a nice welcome.

01:12:46.980 I was in, I felt comfortable.

01:12:49.540 Maybe that's something then maybe I'll drag my family out there.

01:12:52.840 Um, you know what?

01:12:53.600 I might, I might go to, I'm going to look, I'm going to look around me and see what's

01:12:56.900 up now because it's been years that I've been in the church and I just don't, it doesn't

01:13:01.660 vibe with me.

01:13:02.100 Something about it doesn't vibe.

01:13:03.480 And a lot of the things you're mentioning are the things that I don't like.

01:13:07.140 I should, I should be in church by all accounts, but I.

01:13:10.440 I don't go.

01:13:11.320 It's a conscious decision.

01:13:12.940 So, but listen, Buck, I don't want to take any more of your time.

01:13:17.020 Uh, go, go and, uh, do your interview.

01:13:21.000 I'm going to, I'll message you a little bit later.

01:13:23.020 Just tell the people again where they can find you.

01:13:24.660 And, uh, Raven, you want to stick around for a couple more minutes?

01:13:27.480 Yeah, absolutely.

01:13:28.640 Uh, on Twitter at Buck Rebel, B-U-C-K-R-E-B-E-L.

01:13:33.540 And let's see, counterflowpodcast.com is the website.

01:13:37.140 YouTube has, uh, my channel counterflow podcast with Buck Johnson, Rumble, Odyssey, all of

01:13:42.900 those things.

01:13:43.800 And they drop every Tuesday night.

01:13:45.600 They're always a interview about an hour long.

01:13:47.780 Um, and we cover a variety of religious conspiracy, political, you know, cultural topics.

01:13:55.000 It's going to be, it's, it's always fun.

01:13:56.660 So thank you guys.

01:13:58.460 As I said, the gold standard of podcast hosting.

01:14:00.940 Thank you, Buck.

01:14:01.600 Thank you for gracing us.

01:14:02.820 Yeah.

01:14:03.240 And appreciate it.

01:14:04.000 Good to hang with you guys.

01:14:04.800 We'll talk soon.

01:14:05.860 All right, man, brother.

01:14:06.520 It was a pleasure.

01:14:07.080 Have a good one.

01:14:07.540 All right.

01:14:09.720 Okay.

01:14:10.980 So, David, what do you think about the episode?

01:14:13.780 What do you think?

01:14:14.320 What do you think about that?

01:14:15.900 I mean, um, I've been like, all right.

01:14:19.520 So after the Marzinski episode, um, it's very clear to me, in my opinion, that we're on the

01:14:27.160 right path.

01:14:28.100 And, um, and I, you know, I, I told that story briefly about going to the evangelical church

01:14:34.320 and, and, and having that experience that was like, honestly, jarring and weird, dude.

01:14:37.460 Like I, I felt like, um, I've always had my feelings that the church was compromised and

01:14:45.060 that you didn't necessarily have to go to a physical location in order to follow Christ.

01:14:50.720 Um, that being said, it's like, this plays a big focal point in my worldview.

01:14:57.260 And so I, I want to like pursue it in a way that's not just here.

01:15:04.320 You know, not just through conversation.

01:15:05.740 Although I do think this is like really important and probably is more in the correct direction

01:15:10.980 than we might want to believe that it is, uh, just having these conversations and stuff.

01:15:15.480 So if I can go to the Orthodox church, and it's just really interesting too, because he came from,

01:15:20.360 uh, strictly politics and, uh, and also being atheist.

01:15:26.180 And so for that, man, I'm, I'm always like, that's a win because strictly politics is just

01:15:32.680 a different way of saying atheist.

01:15:34.100 Like in my opinion, almost, almost the same thing.

01:15:36.280 You know what I mean?

01:15:36.740 Where it's like, you, you've zeroed in on this one aspect of life and you think that this

01:15:42.440 is the key.

01:15:44.600 Whereas in my opinion, you zoom out and spiritual warfare encompasses all aspects of life, politics

01:15:53.140 and everything.

01:15:54.400 I mean, everything where it's like, if you're just looking at politics, you're sterilized and

01:15:59.440 you're away from everything else.

01:16:01.460 And although it's kind of bleeding into other things, right?

01:16:04.000 Like culture and media and stuff like that.

01:16:05.960 I think that the real target is spiritual warfare, uh, because politics is wrapped up in that

01:16:12.000 too.

01:16:12.600 And so I thought it was a great episode.

01:16:15.040 And I think that it's really cool to, uh, to hear a guy like that who, you know, obviously

01:16:20.660 very intelligent, um, as, as people who, you know, in my opinion, I know you might have

01:16:26.080 a disagreement, I want to be, there you go, the butcher, man, I want to be religious so

01:16:30.080 bad.

01:16:30.420 I just can't.

01:16:30.980 My mind doesn't allow me to, it's the demons in your mind.

01:16:33.300 No, I'm just playing.

01:16:34.820 You demon, get those demons.

01:16:36.600 Yeah, no, I, I agree.

01:16:37.760 It's one of those things where it's like hard for me is like, damn, so I can't say the N

01:16:41.880 word anymore.

01:16:42.400 If that's going to be the case.

01:16:44.000 Um, I'm not even so, I'm not so sure.

01:16:46.160 That's true.

01:16:47.000 I think that's true.

01:16:47.580 I think that's actually, uh, actually the Orthodox jurist says that now they encourage, no, they

01:16:51.220 don't say that.

01:16:51.560 I got no idea.

01:16:54.260 Um, one of the, one of the things that's, uh, that really kind of opened my eyes is like,

01:17:00.420 like, he's like, Oh, his church bought land and they're, they have like a backup plan.

01:17:05.340 So that's like a community, the church that my parents go to, they're giving their money

01:17:09.280 to Israel.

01:17:10.240 You know what I mean?

01:17:10.700 It's like, these guys ain't playing around.

01:17:12.720 I, I, I feel like it deserves at least that I at least check it out and see what, what is

01:17:18.380 going on there.

01:17:19.020 Dude, you should, you should do it and I'll do it.

01:17:22.740 And we'll, we'll fucking compare and contrast notes because there's one that's right around

01:17:27.000 the corner from me.

01:17:27.860 And like, you know, I do like all that, this idea of like, fuck communism, fuck Zionism.

01:17:35.640 Uh, and also like, yeah, this preparedness aspect, like, absolutely.

01:17:39.620 That would be very cool.

01:17:40.760 And I, I don't know.

01:17:42.960 I just, uh, I can see all of the positive aspects.

01:17:47.380 Like if you can find a good church, well, then you do have like a sense of community

01:17:51.200 and you are also learning.

01:17:52.580 Like I want to learn.

01:17:53.500 And to be honest, dude, like there's just something I'm retarded and trying to read the Bible for

01:17:57.400 me is honestly like trying to read anything.

01:17:59.540 I, I, I just can't read.

01:18:01.000 All right, guys.

01:18:01.420 I'm like a literate or some shit.

01:18:02.480 Like I'm, I can read and I'm a great orator too.

01:18:05.860 No, you know, great is a stretch, but I'm a decent orator.

01:18:08.660 I can read a thing and say it out loud.

01:18:10.380 Hopefully you catch it.

01:18:11.340 Cause I can't absorb anything.

01:18:12.540 I just said, like, I can't absorb anything I just read.

01:18:15.560 I have to read a thing like 15 times over.

01:18:17.700 So I've got to be much more like hands-on with things.

01:18:20.380 And, um, and so like, it would serve me very well to go to a church.

01:18:25.560 Um, and also, like I said, the community aspect of it for my family and everything, it would

01:18:29.240 be dope if, if I could just find one that wasn't like, Hey, these kids, they had to die,

01:18:35.200 dude.

01:18:35.400 It's just like, they had to die.

01:18:37.060 And I'm like, Whoa, what the fuck, bro?

01:18:38.600 I was like, I feel like, so like, uh, like, so we're going to, here's what we're going

01:18:44.000 to do.

01:18:44.280 We're, we're going to actually have this prerecorded eventually.

01:18:47.660 And then we're going to have ad reads, but I feel like I did an ad read of like Christianity

01:18:52.180 because, but I'm like, I'm almost sold on it.

01:18:54.200 Like just the, not just the community aspect, but like, as we talk about like what we're,

01:18:59.780 what we're doing specifically here, like the last episode, the previous episode and how

01:19:05.040 the world is moving, I'm like, you know, we're going to do something, man.

01:19:08.400 Cause it's not, it's not looking good.

01:19:10.680 And putting your faith in Donald Trump is a bad idea.

01:19:14.440 Putting your faith in Q, probably a worse idea.

01:19:18.000 Putting your faith in Elon Musk, like people, I don't know, start to look deeper.

01:19:22.960 I'm not, I'm, I don't want to sound like my dad, but really start to look deeper.

01:19:26.600 Cause it's just, it's getting very strange out there.

01:19:29.260 And I feel like we're coming on that time in Noah stuff where, you know, the beast will

01:19:35.560 be released.

01:19:36.640 I don't know.

01:19:37.360 Look at JC, this episode of Nephilim death squad was brought to you by the blood of Christ.

01:19:45.220 Dude, I said it during the show.

01:19:47.880 Jesus Christ, our new sponsor.

01:19:49.100 What's up?

01:19:49.600 That's right.

01:19:50.160 Every episode is brought to you by Jesus Christ.

01:19:52.140 I had an experience.

01:19:53.360 That's actually great.

01:19:54.840 We should, we should start doing that shit.

01:19:56.640 Sponsored by, by Jesus Christ.

01:19:58.620 And look, I'm about it too, is like, can we, can we be part of the mechanism that makes

01:20:03.600 Christianity not cringe?

01:20:07.000 Like, can we do that?

01:20:08.200 Because I think that like, that's what Buck was saying is like, yeah, is a church.

01:20:13.500 That's what Buck was saying though, is like, uh, it looks cringe and like, dude, I agree.

01:20:19.940 Yeah, it does look cringe.

01:20:21.020 Like I thought it was cringe for a long time.

01:20:22.720 And that's like, I never threw it out entirely, mainly because it was never like forced on me.

01:20:28.320 Like nobody was ever like, you're going to church.

01:20:30.000 And so I always had like a pretty good feeling about it, but I would say like, there is like

01:20:34.240 a cringe aspect.

01:20:35.040 I would love to be part of like any mechanism that like, you know, let's dive into this and

01:20:40.400 let's see that it's because I don't think it is, especially when you start going like

01:20:44.040 down the Nephilim, Genesis six, you know, the flood, like these, these entities, like I

01:20:48.460 had an experience and I called on Christ and I don't give a damn what anybody else says

01:20:52.280 because, uh, modern cringe Christianity is a psyop.

01:20:55.820 Agreed.

01:20:56.700 I agree.

01:20:57.700 That's part of the same thing that lets you get on stage and dunk on Christ and not have

01:21:01.160 any, uh, any repercussions.

01:21:03.180 It's the spirit of the, isn't that weird?

01:21:05.020 And it's, it's almost, I feel bad almost saying it, but it is like a spirit of the, the

01:21:09.160 antichrist because in a sense, like any sensible person that isn't going to, again, I don't

01:21:16.080 want to, whatever, I'm going to show them to these people.

01:21:17.380 But I'm going to finish this thought, but like you're going to a church for whatever

01:21:21.020 reason, it's like part of it is like so performative and it just seemed not just

01:21:26.700 performative, but just seems strange.

01:21:28.660 That's why you perceive it as cringe a lot of the time, you know, there's varying levels.

01:21:34.180 Yeah.

01:21:34.360 I mean, you went to a mega church, so that's like peak, peak cringe.

01:21:37.900 Then there's smaller and there's like weird things that go on.

01:21:42.140 Like there's, there's tons, tons of different things, but maybe, you know, maybe I got, I

01:21:46.980 got to go to this, this Orthodox church.

01:21:48.680 And if I, if I'm there and it feels real, I have a very good idea of when somebody's

01:21:53.700 being real with you, you know, not just doing this, this thing.

01:21:58.300 I don't know.

01:21:58.660 It's hard to describe, but that's what it feels like in most churches.

01:22:01.840 Like we're all participating in this thing.

01:22:04.360 What is this thing?

01:22:05.840 But it's like, is it theatrics of it?

01:22:08.140 This theatrics, there's like, it's not Christ.

01:22:10.500 Cause I used to go to a church and after we would be like, all right, now it's time to

01:22:14.120 fellowship and we all go to a diner and the shit, these people were talking about.

01:22:17.560 I was like, I hate these people.

01:22:18.760 I don't want to be, I don't be next to them.

01:22:21.220 And I know you got to love your brothers in Christ.

01:22:23.080 I'm like, but they're not, I don't, they're not like me.

01:22:25.660 I don't know you.

01:22:26.340 Yeah.

01:22:26.620 Yeah.

01:22:27.240 Yeah.

01:22:27.680 I do know.

01:22:28.500 I don't like being disarmed.

01:22:31.000 I don't like being like, you have to, you have to accept these.

01:22:34.360 I'm very closed.

01:22:35.400 Like, that's just how I am.

01:22:36.520 I have always kept a really small circle.

01:22:38.820 I don't do well in like, not that I don't do well, but like, I don't have much of a

01:22:43.440 desire, especially like to be part of a group.

01:22:46.740 All of a sudden, I've never adhered to any sort of, um, political party.

01:22:51.800 I've never said like, I'm Democrat, Republican, any of that shit.

01:22:54.920 I've never done it.

01:22:56.000 Um, I've just never been part of a group.

01:22:58.080 And every time you, you drop me into part of a group and I noticed like at the evangelical

01:23:03.020 thing, right.

01:23:03.740 It's like, Oh, we're all together.

01:23:07.500 Like we don't have to know anything about each other.

01:23:09.600 We're, we're automatically together.

01:23:10.900 I could see if you were enthusiastic about having me into the fold and it was like, let's

01:23:14.880 get to know this guy and he can get to know us.

01:23:16.820 It was like by proxy of being in this building, you're one of us.

01:23:19.560 And I'm like, no, I'm not, dude.

01:23:21.600 I don't even fucking know you.

01:23:22.900 Like, I liked the cafe and shit and I'm, I'm down with that.

01:23:25.660 And some of the songs just slapped a little bit, but like, I'm not just one of you immediately

01:23:29.940 by showing up.

01:23:30.720 I never done this.

01:23:32.240 I can't.

01:23:32.840 A lot of it.

01:23:33.760 A lot of it is the message too.

01:23:35.560 So like even the most hardcore preachers, like in, in a general church that you'll see,

01:23:41.080 like in a mega church, they'll up, they're up there and they're, they're speaking from

01:23:44.660 the Bible.

01:23:45.100 So they're speaking the truth, but they're not really like getting to the very bottom

01:23:49.840 of it.

01:23:50.740 You know, like I feel like on this show, we get to the bottom of it better than they do

01:23:54.560 in most churches because everything is so intertwined.

01:23:57.620 Like you can talk to these people on like a, a daily, like just give them the daily

01:24:02.300 example, pull up, pull up the newspaper and, and show them exactly how this relates to what's

01:24:07.620 going on.

01:24:08.100 It's like, then if you do believe that, they'd be like, oh no, no, now you're my brother.

01:24:11.920 Yeah.

01:24:12.060 Like if, if we're here in the same mindset that this is a spiritual battle, there's two

01:24:17.720 sides or maybe who knows how many, I mean, that's a, that's actually something I want

01:24:21.240 to explore how many sides there are.

01:24:23.180 And the fuck it, let's announce it now.

01:24:25.260 January 11th, where are we at?

01:24:27.620 Tony Merkel, uh, Tony Merkel is going to be on the show.

01:24:31.360 So I, yeah, we're going to, we're going to go deep.

01:24:34.080 And when do we have, uh, we have another big guest to announce, right?

01:24:38.100 Um, December 28th here.

01:24:42.160 Uh, who, who do we book for 28th?

01:24:45.180 December 28th, LA, LA Marzulli, LA Marzinski, LA Marzinski.

01:24:49.300 I'm sorry.

01:24:49.620 I'm looking at that LA Marzinski.

01:24:51.840 They've formed into one dude.

01:24:53.880 LA Marzulli, uh, is coming on the 28th.

01:24:56.760 That's going to be super dope.

01:24:57.820 And then, yeah, we have Tony coming on and, and with the Tony conversation, I think he

01:25:01.800 thinks it's going to be about the Nephilim, but in reality, uh, you know, we've kind of

01:25:06.340 pivoted and, uh, when are we having Sam on?

01:25:08.980 I don't know.

01:25:09.440 We, we, we, we're going to be on, we're going to be on tinfoil hat January 24th with, uh,

01:25:15.300 a tower gang member that remains to be named.

01:25:18.180 So yeah, we'll be able to figure that out.

01:25:20.340 You know, I think that we should probably, uh, explain to people what's about to happen

01:25:23.880 too, even though we don't fucking quite know what's about to happen.

01:25:26.560 It's like, guys, you're, you're listening in the, in the, in the live right now.

01:25:30.900 Um, and I do think that top and I are going to lots of good things have happened for Nephilim

01:25:37.080 death squad.

01:25:38.240 Um, and in order for us to enact them in, in, in the particulars of, uh, of sponsors,

01:25:45.660 we can't stop the show, uh, to organically plug a sponsor in because top and I, our main

01:25:54.080 concern is a good content and a good conversation.

01:25:57.780 And we're not going to stop the flow of the conversation to fucking do an ad read.

01:26:02.120 So, uh, from, I think this is probably going to be maybe the last one that we do live.

01:26:07.340 And from now on, these things are going to be prerecorded.

01:26:09.780 We are going to, uh, and, and tell me if, if, if this is premature, you think top, but,

01:26:17.340 uh, to make an effort to still do a live show for you guys, we're going to be doing neft

01:26:23.740 to America, which is strictly going to be me and top, uh, with no guests, maybe not strictly.

01:26:29.140 I could see every once in a while doing something, but for the most part.

01:26:31.660 Yeah.

01:26:32.120 And no, but to the butcher, uh, it's such a bummer.

01:26:36.380 I feel bad.

01:26:36.860 It's good that we get the feedback.

01:26:38.300 Uh, see, here we go.

01:26:39.160 I agree.

01:26:39.740 I agree.

01:26:40.240 Conspiracy extreme recording is for the, here's my, uh, so we're actually getting comments

01:26:45.700 from Twitter too, which is cool.

01:26:47.160 That happened today.

01:26:48.040 But, uh, that's because I don't know if you noticed I tweeted at fucking Elon and I was

01:26:52.180 like, fix the comments.

01:26:53.260 I swear to you, I did that today.

01:26:54.760 I shit you not.

01:26:55.760 And then I'll say that was fixed.

01:26:56.720 So I got a fucking pull.

01:26:58.340 What can I say?

01:26:59.240 Um, what I'd like to do, like the compromise is like, uh, still do a live show and either

01:27:05.580 have it like behind, like, uh, like for members only or something like that, or a live show

01:27:11.580 that just airs on like rumble.

01:27:14.000 And then when it's done being live, it's done.

01:27:16.640 No one else can see it.

01:27:17.520 We'll re-release it as an edited version.

01:27:20.840 I don't know.

01:27:21.740 I mean, we'd like to get like, so if we're able to generate obviously more money, then

01:27:26.220 we're able to take the show more seriously and do more shit like that.

01:27:28.980 So maybe like a Patreon thing.

01:27:32.080 I don't know, maybe a Patreon tier where you'll get all the live chats, but I don't, I also

01:27:36.680 don't want to have like, you know, like cut, cut the fans in half because they show up

01:27:41.960 and they make the show fun too.

01:27:43.320 Like every time I peek over, we're talking to Jerry Marzinski and these guys are saying

01:27:46.660 some wild shit.

01:27:47.280 It's, it's even more entertaining for me.

01:27:49.180 It is.

01:27:49.460 I, I love the interaction of the fan.

01:27:51.220 Honestly, we're torn, right?

01:27:52.240 Because it's like, um, you know, from a, from a lot, a technical standpoint to our logistics

01:27:57.980 standpoint, guys, it's like, uh, if you know, hundreds and hundreds, let's say we

01:28:03.260 get big enough and thousands of people are tuning into the lives.

01:28:06.680 Then I don't want to hear thousands of people.

01:28:08.600 Well, not only do I want to hear from them, but thousands of people, I don't, I don't

01:28:12.420 want to hear from them.

01:28:13.340 I only want to hear from the guys who are here first, the most entertaining dudes, the

01:28:18.040 loyal, like the loyal group, the rest of them could watch from the outside, like the bunch

01:28:22.160 of plebs and latecomers that they are.

01:28:24.800 That's how I feel about that.

01:28:26.180 But, but the, the logistical side that, that actually is, is kind of a negative.

01:28:30.880 Um, and really this is all, you know, fucking behind the curtain shit is that, um, uh,

01:28:36.240 if thousands of people tune on, tune into our lives and we then do ad reads in the edited

01:28:42.020 version, that's thousands of people that are not going to tune back in for the edited version

01:28:45.640 of the show and thereby are not going to hear the ads.

01:28:48.660 And we're going to be selling our sponsors short.

01:28:50.100 So there's a lot to think about.

01:28:51.840 Um, but I do think that bringing back Neff to America could be a lot of, yeah, nothing

01:28:58.900 at all, really fucking ad reads.

01:29:01.220 We can't, we just can't, even when there's no guests, we can't seem to do an ad read,

01:29:04.800 but our ads are, our advertisers are really cool.

01:29:07.880 Like the ones, uh, we have like a food supply company.

01:29:11.600 We have a freaking, um, parasite cleanse and yeah, parasite cleanse company.

01:29:16.460 We have on my, on my monitor over there, we have rife, rife technologies who we've never

01:29:21.640 plugged because it's just super hard to stop the show.

01:29:24.280 And then we've got the rate, honestly, at the bottom, even though I love them, but at

01:29:28.280 the bottom of like, for the conspiracy, like we have razors.

01:29:31.340 So you can shave your neck beard in between cleansing these parasitic demons and stock food,

01:29:37.360 stocking food for your family later.

01:29:39.200 And I mean, and if, if you get sick during the apocalypse, you just turn on this rife

01:29:43.960 machine, which I actually did hook up and it's really cool.

01:29:47.500 I did.

01:29:47.760 Yeah.

01:29:48.160 Um, I haven't hooked mine up.

01:29:49.520 I'm too fucking retarded.

01:29:50.740 We have, but as you know, we've had this, what episode is this?

01:29:54.200 17 or something like that.

01:29:55.060 I don't even know.

01:29:55.460 I stopped writing up there.

01:29:56.260 We've had this shit since episode two and we've never plugged it.

01:30:01.140 It's the craziest shit.

01:30:02.260 Cause we just love doing the show.

01:30:03.520 We want to move, move, move.

01:30:04.800 But then it's like at the end, we're like, Oh fuck.

01:30:06.800 We didn't say like, how do, how do we make money?

01:30:09.980 We're idiots.

01:30:10.560 I want to thank people though.

01:30:12.840 Like, look, these are good problems to have.

01:30:14.560 The show is moving so fast because you guys love the show.

01:30:17.180 And obviously this wouldn't be happening, uh, if it wasn't for people's, the way that they

01:30:21.420 receive it.

01:30:21.920 And, and so honestly, you know, we're, we're crushing in that regard.

01:30:25.000 We have to recalibrate and figure out how we're going to do this.

01:30:27.920 I still do think neft to America would be the shit.

01:30:31.780 I I'd love to bring it back.

01:30:32.920 I think, hold on, what an idiot, what an idiot JC is.

01:30:35.480 We can still chat during the prerecorded premieres.

01:30:37.680 It's like, yeah, but I can't do this JC.

01:30:40.500 Jesus.

01:30:40.960 Oh my God.

01:30:41.380 Hi JC.

01:30:42.600 Well, JC just likes talking with the homies in the chat.

01:30:45.380 Like I, I think that's what it is.

01:30:46.720 That's fucking cool.

01:30:47.480 You know what I mean?

01:30:47.980 JC doesn't even watch the show.

01:30:49.480 She's just like, Oh my God.

01:30:50.600 He just talks in the chat.

01:30:52.060 It's like, I don't know what the fuck they're talking about right now.

01:30:53.920 So there's, there's a lot to, to figure out, but, um, maybe we will, maybe we'll make the,

01:30:58.880 the, the lives exclusively rumble.

01:31:01.420 Um, I don't know.

01:31:02.180 And then even, uh, you know, an announcement on my end, um, exclusively Twitter now that

01:31:06.840 we can do Twitter.

01:31:07.900 Yeah.

01:31:08.360 Well, that's amazing.

01:31:09.320 Honestly, that's going to change things that that's something we hadn't considered.

01:31:12.900 We were talking about it just yesterday, the day before that.

01:31:14.900 And now this is just happening today.

01:31:16.440 Uh, and for those of you who listened to the Raven's watch, there's not going to be any more

01:31:20.100 guests on the Raven's watch.

01:31:21.120 The Raven's watch is literally going to be, uh, me interacting with the chat and breaking

01:31:25.540 down topics like the Raven's watch broke up.

01:31:28.680 Well, it's because why am I going to get, there's only one dude.

01:31:32.420 Why would I, uh, it's so hard booking guests for this show and guests for that show.

01:31:38.040 You know what I mean?

01:31:38.880 Like it's, it's, it's a whole lot.

01:31:40.600 So I, I figure why even, I'm sorry, we got to go into tower gang lore here.

01:31:45.220 I have no idea.

01:31:46.860 Do we know if Jason, I think a lot of people think a picture of a dick once.

01:31:51.200 I don't know if it was his really now.

01:31:55.000 Where'd he send that?

01:31:56.900 Like he didn't enter into October.

01:31:58.620 What the fuck?

01:31:59.120 JC.

01:31:59.660 He was like, I don't want to compete, but I do want you to see it.

01:32:03.740 Yeah.

01:32:04.140 So maybe the Twitter thing would be good.

01:32:05.860 I don't know.

01:32:07.120 It would be great.

01:32:08.020 And well, I think Twitter would be great for Neptune America put, put, all right.

01:32:13.440 For those of you who don't know what Neptune America is, cause it's what we're doing right

01:32:17.640 now.

01:32:18.180 It's literally this.

01:32:19.240 Yeah.

01:32:19.360 It's just me and top.

01:32:20.380 And typically we'll come armed with some videos and some topics and we'll tear it apart.

01:32:24.840 Um, and so that's a lot of fun, dude.

01:32:26.700 I love doing that shit.

01:32:27.800 And I think that that really lends itself to, uh, to chat interaction.

01:32:33.980 And so, you know, there's definitely a lot of incentive to do that.

01:32:36.760 If we made Neff to America exclusively a Twitter show, I think we would crush there because we're

01:32:43.520 both doing, you know, a lot of fun things on Twitter.

01:32:45.460 And so, and everybody kind of already knows what we're all about on Twitter.

01:32:49.180 So I think that would be great, but a lot of stuff to think about.

01:32:52.220 This is the closest, by the way, that top and I have had to like a business meeting.

01:32:56.700 We seem to do these things live business meeting, everybody line up.

01:33:01.080 We don't know what we're doing.

01:33:02.320 Fuck it.

01:33:02.640 We're doing Neff to America.

01:33:03.760 So this was going on here.

01:33:04.920 You know, the more you dig into that and talk to people with knowledge, with actual knowledge

01:33:09.140 of it, again, that's another story where there are some, you know, fanciful ideas floating

01:33:13.080 around that are just, you know, there's no evidence that they're true.

01:33:15.360 But if you talk to people who, you know, have actual knowledge of it, that they gathered

01:33:20.220 themselves, there are parts of that story that I do not understand at all that are really,

01:33:25.380 really, really dark.

01:33:26.700 It's so dark that I, you know, haven't told my wife about it.

01:33:30.300 I mean, I haven't verified any of this, but this is not just stuff that I read on the

01:33:34.660 internet.

01:33:34.980 I know you all are very, very grounded in that story.

01:33:37.200 So I think I know, you know what I'm talking about, but there's some stuff there that's

01:33:40.860 just like, man, I'm not even sure what that means.

01:33:43.760 There's a spiritual component there that I don't fully understand.

01:33:47.660 So yes, that story bothers me.

01:33:49.540 And I think last thing I'll say that one of the reasons that we've had all these disclosures

01:33:54.360 and all of these, what, 10 whistleblowers at this point, and it hasn't really become

01:33:57.960 front page news.

01:33:58.600 Part of it's suppression.

01:34:00.300 You know, parts of the government don't want you to know about it.

01:34:02.020 But part of it is the public can't deal with it.

01:34:04.240 It's too far out.

01:34:05.940 The implications are too profound.

01:34:08.860 And so, and I understand that because I've heard things where I'm just like, oh man, I

01:34:13.700 I don't even really want to know that, honestly.

01:34:16.880 Deeply disturbing stuff.

01:34:18.800 You know, forget like saucers and technology.

01:34:21.600 It's deeply, deeply disturbing stuff.

01:34:23.940 Stuff that I haven't even told Natalie.

01:34:25.520 I agree with you.

01:34:26.320 It's so disturbing.

01:34:27.200 I can't even tell my kids.

01:34:28.180 My kids ask me different stories about it.

01:34:29.780 And I, I won't say it because it's so dark.

01:34:32.580 It's so dark.

01:34:33.760 I totally agree.

01:34:34.540 Miles is watching.

01:34:35.820 Okay, Miles, if you're watching the show, daddy's not going to tell you about that part

01:34:39.460 of the UFO stuff and what's going on with the government.

01:34:41.700 Can I say one thing?

01:34:43.160 I mean, they've known, I mean, this is, I think, established and I feel comfortable

01:34:47.640 saying this as fact.

01:34:48.740 The U.S. government, I mean, these are real, whatever they are.

01:34:51.360 They're not human.

01:34:52.380 And the government has known that for a long time, possibly going back to the 1930s at

01:34:55.620 least.

01:34:56.120 And of course, there's tons of evidence in the written record, in the physical record,

01:35:00.880 in paintings and in the, and in literature that people have been seeing and interacting

01:35:05.400 with these things for a long time.

01:35:06.420 So we know that.

01:35:07.840 But the justification one often hears is, well, the government, the government, various

01:35:12.900 presidents who have been read in, not all have been, haven't wanted to disclose this

01:35:17.540 because it would scare people.

01:35:18.860 And I've always thought that's, that's bullshit.

01:35:20.700 You know, you're hiding a crime, which they are, by the way, in my opinion.

01:35:23.660 But I do think there's a sense in which that's not totally crazy.

01:35:28.620 Like there is some stuff, if it's true, and I'm kind of thinking it may be true, that's

01:35:34.940 so radical that, yeah, well, as we both said, we don't want to tell the people we love most

01:35:40.960 about it because like, why would you, you know, disturb someone like that?

01:35:44.120 So I kind of get that.

01:35:45.420 I hate to admit it.

01:35:46.300 I'm not, I'm not arguing for hiding things.

01:35:48.520 I believe in the truth and I believe in disclosure, but I understand the impulse, like, holy smokes,

01:35:53.580 this is heavy, you know what I mean?

01:35:55.080 And the government's involvement in it makes it even heavier because then you realize the

01:35:59.420 complicity of it.

01:36:04.360 This is a, that's like a really good rejoinder to kind of what we were just talking about

01:36:09.300 there is coming off the heels of, uh, I mean, the seven foot aliens in, uh, in Peru,

01:36:14.880 the freaking, the face snatchers, the other nine or nine foot aliens in Las Vegas, the

01:36:19.560 Mexican ones, the tiny Mexican ones, they wheeled out.

01:36:22.540 It's like how the Mexican ones are tiny too.

01:36:24.700 Like the Mexicans.

01:36:26.260 They're like that tracks, just put out some small ones, like little ones, put a sombrero

01:36:29.520 on them.

01:36:32.140 Corona in their hand.

01:36:33.660 All this stuff is coming out.

01:36:35.640 And they're, they're also talking about like the disgusting nature of it.

01:36:39.680 If, if it is government complicity in that part, that's why, that's why I reached out

01:36:43.580 to LA because one of his new things besides the Nephilim, which I'd like to talk with him

01:36:47.040 about, but his new thing is, uh, the cattle mutilation and what, what this actually is.

01:36:52.460 And not just cattle mutilation, but people mutilation.

01:36:54.800 Like there's accounts of this happening to people.

01:36:57.600 James, uh, Timothy Albarino says that, that there are multiple in, in not just in, in, I

01:37:04.440 mean, not in America.

01:37:05.140 I'm pretty sure he's talking about like South America, multiple, uh, abductions and mutilations

01:37:10.540 of people that he's heard of.

01:37:12.100 And these are people in jungles, you know?

01:37:13.840 So they're not really like as technological as we are to the outside world.

01:37:17.860 People.

01:37:18.000 Right.

01:37:18.860 Yeah.

01:37:19.480 Yeah.

01:37:19.720 Well, not really.

01:37:20.220 Exactly.

01:37:20.440 So take them, cut them up with the fucking laser.

01:37:22.120 Who cares?

01:37:22.520 Throw the pieces back, take the blood.

01:37:23.980 Yeah.

01:37:24.600 Uh, but they're doing this shit to people.

01:37:26.100 It's, it's probably like easier to get away with when there's no, you know, there's not

01:37:30.340 going to be cameras around as much.

01:37:31.740 There's not going to be like a, a Jewish media, not like an entire internet focus on any crazy

01:37:37.420 thing.

01:37:37.880 This story will get out there, but it's like, you know, when, when people, people have

01:37:41.440 heard this story about the, the, the face peelers, the face peelers.

01:37:46.360 Yeah.

01:37:46.440 They've heard this shit and they just kind of like, Oh, that's crazy.

01:37:49.440 But it's somewhere in like Peru.

01:37:50.920 Like, okay.

01:37:52.480 When I see this shit, like this is right off of, um, Roseanne Barr and Tucker both talking

01:37:58.200 about the Nephilim.

01:37:58.820 Right.

01:37:59.720 And, uh, when I see Tucker talking about anything, look, I, I personally think we're in the middle

01:38:05.880 of the, I was telling you this off air.

01:38:09.060 I side with, you know, Donnie darkened on this, um, this idea that we're, we're being

01:38:14.540 exposed to this left-hand path, right-hand path shit.

01:38:17.380 We're about to see a, a play, uh, being acted out on stage where the old cabal or the old,

01:38:26.680 um, you know, cult of, of Moloch, what the fuck ever is about to be overthrown by these

01:38:32.380 would be heroes, right?

01:38:33.900 Albert Pike being this 33rd degree Mason, uh, in the book of morals and dogma, he's quoted

01:38:40.540 as saying, when the people need a hero, we shall provide one.

01:38:44.200 So when I see the triumphant return of Alex Jones, who I'm a big fan of, uh, and I see

01:38:52.240 him team up with, uh, Andrew Tate and Elon Musk.

01:38:57.540 And, you know, Elon Musk has that whole body of conspiracy theory behind him, the Iron Man

01:39:03.780 archetype.

01:39:05.300 Um, I see this as a very clear painting of like who the good guys are.

01:39:10.900 So you have your Musks and your Jones, you have your Tuckers, right?

01:39:16.480 Who wears his little red Kabbalah bracelet.

01:39:18.600 And then you have like Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and, you know, these, uh, terrible characters,

01:39:28.000 Hillary Clinton, this evil bitch, they're definitively evil.

01:39:32.360 And these are definitively the good guys.

01:39:34.680 And whenever I see shit playing out, that's too Hollywood esque.

01:39:38.460 I always fucking start doing a bunch of squinting.

01:39:41.180 So when I see Tucker and he's doing yet George Soros, thank you, uh, butcher.

01:39:45.900 That's another one, classic clear cut bad guy, right?

01:39:49.160 Yeah.

01:39:49.360 Um, when I see Tucker, he's doing his thing and he's, you know, he's alluding to the nature

01:39:56.140 of these things.

01:39:56.760 And at one point during that interview, he even says, you can go back and you'll see in

01:40:01.880 ancient paintings, images of UFOs and things of that nature.

01:40:05.540 And so right there, he touches it.

01:40:07.540 He touches it for a brief moment, the ancient, um, nature of these beings.

01:40:13.320 Now, I just want to say that we are, uh, so much better than Tucker Carlson because here

01:40:20.440 we are.

01:40:21.100 We believe that the people are not weak of constitution to the point where they can't

01:40:28.500 take this information.

01:40:29.840 You know, I don't think we've ever pulled a punch.

01:40:31.680 I fucking believe that these are all variations of deriving from this fucking, the fallen,

01:40:39.440 the Nephilim, the hybrids they created, this demigod situation, as the Bible calls them,

01:40:46.760 uh, the heroes of what, what is it?

01:40:49.460 Uh, the, the heroes of old men of renown, right?

01:40:52.720 And so I think all of this is, this is where this stems from.

01:40:57.680 Um, and I think right now there is this really big deception being pushed to kind of make

01:41:01.580 you believe that these are some highly advanced creatures from another, you know, planet with

01:41:05.980 highly advanced technology.

01:41:07.200 And they're going to come and save us from our own stupidity.

01:41:09.420 We're going to blow up our own planet, pollute it to no end and kill each other in a nuclear

01:41:13.700 war.

01:41:14.080 And they're going to stop that.

01:41:15.640 Um, I'm not saying that's exactly how it's going to pan out, but that's kind of the painting

01:41:19.820 that's been created, uh, surrounding these things.

01:41:22.920 So when I see Tucker playing this ball game, I already think he's Cabal, you know what

01:41:28.200 I mean?

01:41:28.360 I already think he's an actor and I, I like the same thing as we know the reality, right?

01:41:33.340 The reality is that, uh, no, they're actually ancient Nephilim beings or Nephilim, hot Nephilim

01:41:38.740 hybrids.

01:41:39.700 And they're, uh, they're preparing for war.

01:41:42.320 They're creating their own hybrids.

01:41:44.160 This is what, I mean, just to give away what LA is going to do here.

01:41:47.740 I mean, guys, he's going to, yeah, it's, uh, it sounds, it sounded like a black

01:41:52.900 pill when I, when I heard him talking about it, but I'm not black pilled on it because

01:41:56.060 I kind of, you, you know what happens in the end, but right.

01:42:00.040 Yeah.

01:42:00.440 But tough times, tough times ahead for sure.

01:42:02.620 You know, they're, they're creating an army, which is why Colin's story.

01:42:05.380 If you guys haven't seen Colin's story, go back two episodes, super interesting, you

01:42:09.940 know, especially in contrast with Marzinski, like you've basically got one side that is

01:42:15.120 constantly doing the same behaviors and it's always negative spiraling you to a negative.

01:42:20.260 Then we have this story in Colin, which I've never heard anywhere where he's not doing

01:42:26.280 a negative.

01:42:26.980 It's, he's going in the opposite direction.

01:42:28.460 So that's like, it just, it goes to show like there is a battle happening.

01:42:32.740 There's a battle forming.

01:42:34.000 They're getting ready for war.

01:42:35.720 They're upgrading for war.

01:42:37.960 They're recruiting.

01:42:38.860 Even in the case of, of Colin, it doesn't necessarily mean that those entities that he's

01:42:42.680 dealing with are like the end all be all good guys, but they do seem to lean more towards

01:42:47.160 good than like, there's a definitive difference between what he's experiencing versus what

01:42:51.060 other people are experiencing.

01:42:52.840 But for the Marzinski thing, this plays into, you know, that aspect, right?

01:42:58.680 This war.

01:42:59.420 And one of the things that he said on Tony's show that I thought was really interesting

01:43:04.900 and we're going to, what did he say?

01:43:06.440 Black pills are 13% of the pills, but 60% of the depression.

01:43:11.260 Yes.

01:43:11.680 And those are real statistics.

01:43:12.720 And wrong show, wrong show, but, but I appreciate it.

01:43:16.820 Yeah.

01:43:17.020 If you guys want to make, uh, end towers, make them Nephilim, please.

01:43:20.440 So, uh, it's the same thing.

01:43:22.480 They're literally, it's the same thing.

01:43:24.400 Yeah.

01:43:25.180 Um, but you know, one of the things that Marzinski is going to talk about, uh, and is really interesting

01:43:30.920 is this idea that these entities, when they take people, there is a hybridization, uh, program

01:43:38.000 that they're running.

01:43:38.660 They're trying to have babies with, you know, human beings, which go fucking figure.

01:43:44.360 They have been since they made the Nephilim, right?

01:43:47.000 Uh, but the, in the beginning they were like these pales, get the babies, the offspring of

01:43:52.940 these, you know, aliens and, and human beings, uh, in the nineties were sort of like, just

01:43:59.600 fucked up looking.

01:44:00.280 And they had stringy blonde hair and, and giant bulbous eyes and little tiny features.

01:44:06.240 And then they started to, uh, get a little bit better.

01:44:10.960 So in the two thousands, you started to eventually have the black eyed children, which were much

01:44:16.100 more, uh, closely resembling human beings, but they still did have like these big black

01:44:22.320 eyes, but they weren't horrifying and off-putting.

01:44:24.660 So when you would hear abductions experiences and people would recant seeing children, this is

01:44:29.500 how they would describe them.

01:44:30.640 Now, 2023, um, a lot of people who are having these experiences where they're seeing entities

01:44:37.440 that they would regard as children and that the impression that they get is that they're

01:44:40.800 mixed between, you know, us and them, they're almost spot on.

01:44:44.500 So they have seemingly been working on perfecting the formula of, you know, creating this alien

01:44:50.900 human hybrid.

01:44:51.780 Uh, but alien, I don't give a shit because we still got, and also we got the, that motherfucker's

01:44:57.620 not real girl, right?

01:44:59.120 So she knew some shit.

01:45:00.460 Apparently I don't know what's up with that bitch, but, but throw away that fucking term.

01:45:03.860 All right.

01:45:04.280 I don't even like using the fucking word alien around these parts because, um, they're doing

01:45:09.540 the same thing.

01:45:10.400 It's the same thing.

01:45:11.380 They, they fell from heaven.

01:45:13.000 They Barzinski, he's going to come on, he's going to crush.

01:45:15.440 Um, but, but top, we do gotta, we gotta wrap this up and do fucking ad reads or try to.

01:45:21.260 Yeah.

01:45:21.960 All right, guys, listen, thank you.

01:45:25.000 We're going to, we're going to throw an outro in here just to save us the editing, but thank

01:45:28.720 you for showing up again.

01:45:29.460 We'll see you.

01:45:30.120 We'll see you in a week or so, a couple of days.

01:45:32.000 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:45:38.080 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:45:41.500 You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, because

01:45:48.560 they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

01:45:53.940 happening.

01:45:55.060 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - December 16, 2023

017： Counter Flow Podcast w⧸ Buck Johnson

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