Nephilim Death Squad - 034： Have the Nephilim Stolen our Birthright？ w⧸ Timothy Alberino

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00:02:55.600 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:03:01.800 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:03:06.400 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:03:14.840 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely evil.

00:03:21.060 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

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00:03:39.280 But then it's too late.

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00:03:42.100 Welcome to the end of day.

00:03:43.840 Everybody is slave.

00:03:45.300 Only some are away.

00:03:47.840 Welcome back to Nephilim Death Squad.

00:03:49.820 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:03:54.260 And today we are joined by Timothy Albarino.

00:03:58.480 Mr. Albarino, can you tell the audience a little bit about what it is that you do and where they can find your work?

00:04:05.080 It's a very entertaining intro you have there.

00:04:06.980 I'm an author, researcher, an explorer, lecturer, filmmaker.

00:04:14.400 And you can find my work on YouTube.

00:04:19.540 I'm on social media, Twitter and Instagram.

00:04:23.020 I have a website, timothyalbarino.com.

00:04:24.680 I've made films.

00:04:26.340 I've written a book called Birthright.

00:04:29.760 So I'm kind of, I'm all over the place.

00:04:33.300 And I'm doing a lot of different things.

00:04:35.380 So, but I talk about, I research topics related to biblical studies, UFOs, giants, ancient civilizations, alternative theories and alternative history, etc.

00:04:53.200 You know, Tim, one of the questions I always have is, how did you, how does one get into this?

00:04:59.720 I know how I kind of got into it.

00:05:01.180 We kind of, we kind of get pushed in by like maybe circumstances in our lives where you start to notice.

00:05:06.360 For us, the Christian religion more, in a more intimate way, in a more real way.

00:05:11.160 So I went down this rabbit hole.

00:05:12.560 But how does someone like you become basically like Indiana Jones?

00:05:16.940 Where do you, where do you start off on your life going down this path?

00:05:21.460 Well, I dropped out of high school when I was 18.

00:05:24.340 Dropped, dropped out slash got kicked out of high school when I was 18 years old.

00:05:28.120 And I moved to the Amazon basin, Peru.

00:05:31.460 And that's kind of where things began for me.

00:05:35.360 I lived in Peru for a decade.

00:05:36.760 Then I came back to the States.

00:05:39.340 And I was living in Cleveland, Ohio for a couple of years.

00:05:44.140 That's where I was born and raised, Cleveland, Ohio.

00:05:47.060 And I ended up interfacing with a gentleman named Steve Quayle,

00:05:51.040 who's also in this Nephilim space, you might say.

00:05:54.080 And I ended up moving out to Bozeman, Montana to work with Steve.

00:06:00.000 We created a company called Gen 6 Productions.

00:06:02.560 And we began to produce some documentary films and did some other things, conferences and the like.

00:06:11.260 And so that's kind of what launched me, I would say, in a professional manner.

00:06:18.960 I've always been interested in these kinds of topics, but it became kind of a career for me when I moved out to Bozeman and began to work with Steve Quayle.

00:06:31.120 Interesting.

00:06:31.380 You know, over the weekend, I was on Netflix and I kind of just put on Noah.

00:06:37.240 Never seen it before with Russell Crowe.

00:06:39.200 And it's I'm just glad that there's people like you.

00:06:42.500 We've got like L.A. Marzulli and, you know, other people, Gary Wayne, who's writing these books that are telling the story much closer to what actually happened.

00:06:51.380 Then, you know, the Hollywood version of it, where it's I watched a couple of minutes and it seems like they're trying to depict the Watchers or the Fallen in a good light.

00:07:00.080 It's almost like, you know, like the classic inversion of what the truth would be.

00:07:05.180 And I turned it off.

00:07:06.500 But thank you for for covering this stuff and, you know, shedding some knowledge on us because we have no idea what we're doing here.

00:07:13.600 It was a wasted opportunity.

00:07:14.860 They had an opportunity to depict the antediluvian world in a more realistic way and to tell the story as it is written in Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch and other extra biblical texts.

00:07:32.320 And they chose to do something completely fanciful.

00:07:36.860 fanciful, excuse me, and it was a missed opportunity and it ended up being, you know, a very lackluster film.

00:07:47.600 Yeah, see, I think that I wouldn't say I wouldn't call it a missed opportunity.

00:07:51.580 Sorry.

00:07:52.100 Yeah, it's I feel like that is letting whoever is in charge of these things off the hook.

00:07:57.080 And in a way, also, as I was listening to some of your previous interviews recently where we're talking about the government, if we just kind of keep letting them off the hook as if like, oh, you know, they're just kind of they're just trying to suppress as much as they can.

00:08:12.880 To me, it doesn't seem that way as a conspiracy.

00:08:14.980 It's almost like damage control.

00:08:16.620 It's damage control.

00:08:17.580 They know that they know what the story is.

00:08:19.480 Clearly, they've read it and they and they poured a pretty large budget into it and decided to tell something that wasn't the story, in my opinion, is what it seems like.

00:08:28.040 Because why would you avoid this?

00:08:29.180 It's the greatest story ever told.

00:08:31.000 Why would I change it?

00:08:32.620 Well, I I don't know that I would go down a conspiratorial route with the Noah story.

00:08:37.180 I think they make I mean, anyone who's been paying attention for the last five years, 10 years to Hollywood, they've been making really bad decisions about a lot of stories and many stories that don't have anything to do with the biblical narrative.

00:08:52.680 There's just a lack of creativity and you have you always they always want to diverge from these from the original narrative and try and create something unique and different.

00:09:08.420 And in this case, you're right, they they abandoned one of those interesting interesting stories ever told for a ridiculous concoction that was that was, frankly, boring.

00:09:24.600 You touched on it for a second there, this idea that they had an opportunity to paint the paint this era in time in a much more fascinating way.

00:09:34.680 And when people think of the story of Noah's Ark, it's kind of like from from the outside looking in, if you're not really paying attention, I would say the general consensus is what like man was corrupt.

00:09:49.840 And so God chose, you know, one man in particular to save a bunch of animals, get them on an ark, and then he punished the world for man's corruption.

00:10:00.240 But there's a lot more going on there.

00:10:02.720 There's a lot more detail and it's a lot more interesting.

00:10:05.360 And I think that we've kind of had these stories, maybe whitewashed isn't the best term, but watered down, watered down for sure.

00:10:14.960 They're much less potent than they actually are if you're paying attention.

00:10:18.380 What is your contention about maybe what it looked like in the days of Noah?

00:10:23.260 Well, you know, the story of Noah is a very, very old story.

00:10:28.700 It was present in ancient Mesopotamia.

00:10:32.900 Of course, that I believe, and depending on who you talk to, most scholars would say that the biblical account of Noah is a derivation of the more ancient Mesopotamian account.

00:10:46.940 I would actually take the opposite view.

00:10:49.000 I think that the Mesopotamian account is a derivation from the original account, which comes from the antediluvian world and was passed down through Noah and his sons, and then became corrupted during the rise of Sumer and Acadia.

00:11:04.120 But it's interesting because, you know, that Noah figure in the Mesopotamian account is Utnapishtim, and you find this Noah character all over the world.

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00:12:00.220 In many different mythologies of variegated cultures across the globe, but it's always the same kind of story.

00:12:11.340 There's a global cataclysm.

00:12:13.600 There's a terrible cataclysm.

00:12:15.620 And then there's a remnant of mankind that survives and has to repopulate the earth.

00:12:22.320 It's amazing.

00:12:23.360 There are hundreds and hundreds of iterations of the Noah story.

00:12:27.640 I subscribe to the biblical narrative.

00:12:29.500 And as I said, as I alluded to, I believe that the Genesis account is the original narrative.

00:12:37.580 Whether or not the book of Genesis was penned before or after the Mesopotamian accounts is irrelevant.

00:12:46.100 The oral tradition, I believe, of Noah and his sons that we have in the Genesis account is the original story.

00:12:53.220 So, I'm sorry, I lost the rest of your question there.

00:12:59.040 This actually does bring something to mind where it's like, do you think that this is one man whose name is changed throughout these stories?

00:13:10.780 An event that took place one time that has changed throughout all these different cultures?

00:13:16.200 Or we just had Vicki Joy Anderson, who is an author who works with L.A. Marzulli.

00:13:22.940 She was just on the show the other day, and she said something that I thought was really interesting.

00:13:26.920 It was this idea that the way that God sent the symbol of the rainbow and promised not to flood the world again,

00:13:35.780 the way that she interpreted it.

00:13:37.060 And she said it was just something that she was kind of kicking around, this concept of it struck her as you wouldn't flood the world once and then just say,

00:13:47.740 hey, hey, I'll never do it again.

00:13:49.580 It was almost as if like this is something that had happened.

00:13:52.360 Do you think that there's room for Noah almost being an archetype?

00:13:56.420 Like this may have happened several times, and maybe for some reason there is just this formula almost where God picks a man,

00:14:09.520 has the same thing happen again.

00:14:11.300 And then this time is like, and like I said, this isn't something that she was putting a lot of stock into.

00:14:17.220 It was just an interesting thing.

00:14:18.400 And now that I'm hearing you say it, it's like, well, maybe there's room for this is a multiple occurrence,

00:14:23.500 which is why it echoes through so many different cultures.

00:14:25.900 And maybe it's not necessarily the same man with different names from different cultures,

00:14:31.480 but actually different instances, different moments in time where the same thing happened again.

00:14:37.020 Do you think there's any room for that?

00:14:38.280 I would say that all of these various stories around the world have one original source.

00:14:45.400 But I would also concede that I do believe that the earth had been catastrophically destroyed

00:14:56.020 previous to the flood of Noah, and indeed, in my estimation, previous to the creation of mankind.

00:15:06.220 So I believe in a pre-Adamic cataclysm that rocked the earth, that something happened,

00:15:12.940 something else was going on here before the creation of mankind and the inception of mankind,

00:15:18.660 and that it was an even greater cataclysm in that context.

00:15:27.360 So I do subscribe to multiple cataclysms going back into the past.

00:15:36.040 I don't believe that the flood of Noah was the first.

00:15:40.160 Certainly in my mind, there was a pre-Adamic cataclysm, and there's lots of reasons why I believe that,

00:15:46.440 and I detail why I believe that in my book, Birthright.

00:15:49.060 Well, they say, I don't know the exact number, but I think they attribute 4,000 or some odd years

00:15:57.140 to when Adam would have been around.

00:15:59.800 What's the time frame on that?

00:16:02.200 You mean from Adam to the flood?

00:16:04.320 From Adam to now.

00:16:06.660 Oh, well, this is controversial because most Christians are under the impression that

00:16:15.020 when you go to the Genesis 5 genealogy, which lists the genealogy of the pre-flood patriarchs,

00:16:21.320 beginning with Noah and ending, rather beginning with Adam and ending with Noah and his sons,

00:16:26.460 most Christians will read this genealogy as if it's linear, if it's written in a linear fashion.

00:16:37.840 And there's a lot of problems with that, that rendering of the text.

00:16:44.200 First of all, the first problem that we have to deal with is that we have the Masoretic text.

00:16:50.300 Today, we are all reading the Masoretic text.

00:16:54.260 And the Masorites, they, for some reason, decided to subtract 100 years 0.99

00:16:59.920 off of each of the lifespans of those patriarchs from Adam to Noah,

00:17:05.500 which significantly reduced that period of time from Adam to Noah

00:17:11.180 by some 1,500 years or so.

00:17:14.180 What were they basing that off of?

00:17:14.660 1,200 years or so.

00:17:16.700 Well, we know that the Masorites sort of circumcised the lifespans of the patriarchs 0.98

00:17:24.540 because in the Septuagint, you have, which I think is the original rendering,

00:17:30.680 you have 100 additional years under the lives of each one of those patriarchs.

00:17:35.560 Why the Masorites would have done it, who knows? 0.99

00:17:37.320 They had their own theological positions that they were wanting to reinforce.

00:17:44.200 There were certain theological topics and themes that they wanted to suppress.

00:17:51.260 And so that's the first problem that we run into when we try and make a linear calculation

00:17:57.560 from Adam to Noah.

00:18:00.560 The second problem is that clearly, I think what we have in that genealogy

00:18:06.540 is what's referred to as telescoping.

00:18:09.980 And telescoping means that, you know, you imagine a telescope

00:18:14.660 and that telescope will fold down into a smaller artifact.

00:18:21.480 And so basically what scholars mean by telescoping is rather than account for all

00:18:35.240 of the individuals in this family line, they remove certain numbers of them

00:18:40.940 so that they can fit the genealogy in a nice, neat number.

00:18:44.660 And this was, reaching a particular numerical value was very important to ancient writers,

00:18:53.500 especially the writers of the Hebrew Old Testament.

00:18:58.200 Numerology was exceedingly important.

00:19:01.680 The number itself was part of the message.

00:19:04.380 It was a part of the communication.

00:19:06.360 And so you find this, this is a known fact.

00:19:09.140 Scholars know that you find this phenomenon of telescoping

00:19:13.560 in other genealogies in the Bible.

00:19:17.460 It's, it's, this isn't speculation.

00:19:19.380 This is happening.

00:19:20.340 The writers, the Hebrew writers would routinely engage in this sort of thing,

00:19:26.680 you know, remove certain people from a genealogy in order to,

00:19:30.600 in order to reach a particular number.

00:19:33.840 Again, because this numerology was very important to them.

00:19:37.260 Um, so I think we, we, we, we have some telescoping going on in the account of, um,

00:19:44.800 in the genealogy of the pre-flood patriarchs, there were probably more where we assume that,

00:19:50.860 that genealogy represents the father to the firstborn son and so on all the way down through

00:19:59.660 the line, the genealogical record.

00:20:02.980 But that, I think is a, it's an assumption at best.

00:20:07.840 And I think that, um, in reality, we're probably looking at a whole lot longer period of time

00:20:17.320 than Christians are accustomed to counting for or to contemplating in regard to the antediluvian world 0.93

00:20:26.740 from the creation of Adam to the flood of Noah.

00:20:29.240 Um, I would say thousands of years transpired, perhaps many thousands of years.

00:20:35.440 I think that the flood of Noah probably took place sometime around 10,000 BC.

00:20:43.160 Now, uh, this is a, a modification to my own view, even the view I put forward in my book, Birthright.

00:20:50.220 I have, since the publishing of that book, modified my view, altered my view based on new information

00:20:57.280 that I was only slightly aware of at the time.

00:21:00.920 And there was an event that took place.

00:21:04.160 Um, there was clearly some sort of a cataclysm that happened around 10,000 BC.

00:21:10.020 Indeed, when you look at the megaliths all around the world, so many of them seem to point to that very

00:21:15.900 period of time based on their alignments with celestial phenomena.

00:21:20.460 And this is, of course, the field of archaeoastronomy, uh, looking at an archaeological ruin and then

00:21:28.740 using the timepiece, that celestial timepiece to figure out when this, this, let's say, megalithic

00:21:39.060 site aligned with a particular sign, zodiacal sign, um, or a particular constellation.

00:21:48.240 And, um, and so many of these.

00:21:51.720 The same, the same thing that they used for the Sphinx, uh, facing the constellation of Leo.

00:21:57.540 Yes.

00:21:58.140 That would be.

00:21:58.980 Precisely.

00:21:59.780 Okay.

00:22:00.820 Precisely.

00:22:01.380 And this works because of axial precession, because the earth is tilted and, and wobbles.

00:22:06.140 And so, um, this, this was known to the ancients.

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00:22:51.560 And they all use the same, they all base, they all use the same timepiece.

00:22:57.100 And that, we call that the Zodiac.

00:22:59.100 And the Hebrews called that the Matzeroth.

00:23:03.460 And it's the same thing.

00:23:05.040 It's the same signs.

00:23:06.540 The Zodiac is, of course, divided into 12 houses.

00:23:10.640 And each house is represented by a different sign.

00:23:13.640 And this is how the ages were measured.

00:23:17.660 And by many, many different cultures.

00:23:21.780 Including Hebrews.

00:23:22.440 This may be going in a different direction,

00:23:25.640 but it's something that I was actually thinking about very recently.

00:23:28.760 So it's interesting that we're here talking about it.

00:23:30.980 But there was a time when I came to understand that a 13th Zodiac had been introduced.

00:23:36.120 And it was Ophiuchus, a man struggling with a serpent, or wrestling with a serpent.

00:23:44.060 And then that kind of just fell out of the kind of zeitgeist of awareness.

00:23:49.940 I wonder if you know anything about that or how that applies.

00:23:53.760 Because there was this, I think around maybe 2013, 2014,

00:24:00.520 suddenly there was the introduction of this 13th constellation for a brief time

00:24:04.260 that never seemed to really stick around or be anything of any significance.

00:24:08.920 But I do remember it was called Ophiuchus.

00:24:10.880 And I do remember it was a man wrestling with a serpent.

00:24:14.020 I don't recall that.

00:24:15.320 I've only been aware of 12.

00:24:16.700 And this is, this certainly understand, the ancient understanding is 12.

00:24:20.780 There's 12 ages.

00:24:22.820 And those ages correspond to the, what's called a great year,

00:24:28.300 which is the, the completing the, the full wobble of the earth, axial procession.

00:24:35.140 And, uh, and again, all the ancients knew this.

00:24:39.220 So I don't know.

00:24:40.900 Uh, I'm not sure how we got onto Zodiac.

00:24:43.080 I could just be, that was, that's all right.

00:24:46.200 That might've just been me.

00:24:47.300 Uh, if, if we were already lost in the woods, I made sure to derail us.

00:24:50.640 We were talking about the Sphinx being aligned to the, um, to Leo and, and, um, that, you

00:25:01.380 know, that was sometime around 10,000 BC and not only the Sphinx in, in Egypt, but also

00:25:09.100 in Peru.

00:25:10.320 I believe that the, that the city of Cusco, for example, and this, this is, was confirmed

00:25:15.420 through the research of my, my friend and colleague, uh, Andres Sadasme, who's an archaeoastronomer,

00:25:23.100 um, who figured out that the city of Cusco was founded in 10,000 BC based on the alignment

00:25:29.480 of the megaliths.

00:25:31.240 Uh, I think there, I think that, uh, 10,000 BC is probably when, um, that the cataclysm

00:25:39.480 occurred.

00:25:40.080 So you're looking at some 12,000 years ago, which of course aligns with the Young-Odryas 1.00

00:25:44.580 impact hypothesis that Graham Hancock has made famous, um, and Randall Carlson.

00:25:51.660 And the Young-Odryas impact hypothesis posits that 12,000 years ago, around 10,000 BC, there

00:25:59.700 was an earth shattering cataclysm.

00:26:03.300 Um, and that, that resulted from, uh, a, an, an asteroid impact on the North American

00:26:12.060 ice sheets, the Laurentide ice sheet to be specific and perhaps other, other locations

00:26:17.140 in North America.

00:26:17.900 It was in fact, not just one impact, but a series of impacts because there was a large

00:26:23.860 asteroid that broke up, uh, that broke up, um, and, and broke up in orbit and fragments

00:26:32.200 of it bombarded the earth.

00:26:33.520 And that, that was, uh, that precipitated this, this cataclysm that, that, uh, annihilated

00:26:44.720 humanity that destroyed much of the life on earth, the megafauna, certainly the megafauna

00:26:51.660 extinction and, and, and almost entirely eradicated the human species.

00:26:58.520 I think that, that, that is the cataclysm, uh, the, the Noahic flood. 0.82

00:27:05.920 I believe that that is the cataclysm that all of these other ancient civilizations refer 1.00

00:27:13.080 to and that it, and that it, in fact, it happened sometime around 10,000 BC.

00:27:18.480 So I would push the flood of Noah back to 10,000 BC.

00:27:21.600 And again, the only contention that Christians can, can make in regard to this, this timeframe

00:27:29.720 is, but the Genesis five genealogy only allows for however many years it is.

00:27:37.360 I don't remember off the top of my head, um, basically to 3,300 BC thereabouts, um, would

00:27:43.840 have been the flood of Noah according to that calculation.

00:27:45.900 And, uh, it's just, it's, it's very, uh, it's not a, it's a tenuous position because again,

00:27:55.280 the Masoretic text for some reason subtracted a hundred years off of the lifespans of the

00:28:00.700 patriarch.

00:28:01.180 So you have to start there.

00:28:02.560 Um, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fall back to the Septuagint before I'm gonna, the

00:28:10.340 Septuagint, as I said, has a hundred additional years on the lifespans of those patriarchs.

00:28:14.960 And I'm, I'm going to put more confidence in the, in the reckoning of the Septuagint than

00:28:19.040 in the Masoretic text.

00:28:20.080 So that's again, the first problem.

00:28:21.940 And the second problem is this issue of telescoping.

00:28:24.440 So, um, it's not as concrete as most Christians think it is.

00:28:31.460 It's just not at all.

00:28:33.680 It's completely up for debate.

00:28:37.380 And, um, and, uh, again, you have to take into account the, the megaliths are, I think

00:28:46.780 the remnant, they're the, they're, it's all that's left from the antediluvian world. 1.00

00:28:51.900 That's all that could have survived are these massive megalithic foundations.

00:28:55.780 And so you have to take into account the, the archeo astronomical alignments of these

00:29:01.880 megaliths because they're, they're very precisely aligned.

00:29:05.040 You can't just discount that data because, you know, your mass, your Masoretic Bible says

00:29:13.220 there were this many years from Noah to, from Adam to Noah.

00:29:17.240 No, you have to take the compendium of evidence and, and use the correct measurements and the

00:29:25.240 correct measurement of time is the Zodiacal ages.

00:29:29.620 So, um, so anyway, 10,000 BC, that's when I would, I would push the flood back.

00:29:36.140 And this is a, this is an amendment to the way I used to think, um, years ago.

00:29:41.100 I've, I've, as I said, since I published my book, I've, I've amended this position.

00:29:45.620 Well, you know, uh, good on you, man, because, uh, a lot of what, uh, a lot of what is wrong

00:29:51.820 with humanity now, or at least current, the current civilization is people kind of pick

00:29:55.940 a side and then they get married to it.

00:29:58.120 Can't let that die.

00:29:59.060 So good on you for having, you know, continuing your research and, and changing your mind.

00:30:04.320 Um, I wanted to ask, so after this flood, um, how did these guys survive?

00:30:10.700 Because I know that there's, there's accounts.

00:30:13.060 There's definitely one that I, I'm pretty sure is verifiable.

00:30:16.040 We're talking about, uh, the, the giant from Afghanistan. 0.61

00:30:18.600 This is just one, uh, but we know that there are still Nephilim around. 0.99

00:30:24.160 Um, you know, this is an ongoing debate.

00:30:27.480 How did the Nephilim survive the flood?

00:30:31.160 And the older I get, the more irrelevant it seems.

00:30:34.280 Um, it, it, it, it depends on how you view the flood.

00:30:39.020 First of all, there's a lot of good scholarship in regard to the flood of Noah, not being

00:30:46.920 global.

00:30:50.260 And what I mean by global is not every single mountain on planet earth was submerged in water.

00:30:58.960 Um, there are several, there, I would, there, there are basically three positions on the

00:31:05.080 flood of Noah.

00:31:05.640 You have what, what would might be considered the traditional position, at least the traditional

00:31:09.640 Protestant position, which would be that the flood of Noah was global and that every mountain

00:31:15.060 peak was covered in water, um, all over the earth.

00:31:19.520 That would be the traditional view.

00:31:21.120 Um, then I would say that another view would be a local flood theory in which the Levant,

00:31:29.500 the fertile crescent was flooded and it was a local phenomenon, a local cataclysm.

00:31:38.280 And that was the known world to the people at the time.

00:31:41.640 And, um, so that's, you know, that's the local flood hypothesis.

00:31:47.080 And then there's one that I think is kind of in between.

00:31:49.360 And this is the one that I subscribe to, which is a global cataclysm hypothesis.

00:31:56.880 In other words, the entire earth was rocked by cataclysm.

00:32:00.980 Every continent was affected by this cataclysm and it had dire effects all over the earth.

00:32:07.620 Um, not just, not just in, in regard to flooding, by the way, if indeed we're talking about a,

00:32:15.660 an asteroid impact or a series of asteroid impacts on the ice sheets in, on the North American

00:32:22.480 ice sheets, then obviously you would have flooding for sure.

00:32:27.060 But you would also have, um, you would also have raging forest fires everywhere all over

00:32:36.560 the earth as the fragments, the, the molten hot fragments of the impacts are discharged

00:32:42.100 for, for, for miles, perhaps even thousands of miles and landing in forests and setting

00:32:47.180 those forests ablaze.

00:32:48.420 So you would have mass burning of the, of, of the, um, uh, forests on earth, all over the

00:32:58.180 earth.

00:32:58.420 And you would also obviously have floods, you would have earthquakes, you would have,

00:33:01.980 there, there would be, there would be, the fallout would be considerable and it would

00:33:06.620 manifest in many different ways, not just flooding.

00:33:09.680 And it would affect the, the whole earth.

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00:33:53.400 The temperature and what's the word I'm looking for here?

00:34:04.220 Saltiness, salinity of the oceans would be altered.

00:34:10.240 It would probably have launched the earth into something like a nuclear winter, something

00:34:15.780 approximating a nuclear winter, so you would have the massive forest fires, and you would

00:34:28.800 have a super heating of the atmosphere around the impact area, so you would have things would

00:34:34.040 be vaporized.

00:34:35.120 But then right after all of this, the earth would be plunged into a deep freeze because

00:34:39.940 of all of the debris that's thrown up into the atmosphere, blocking the sun and creating

00:34:46.520 a kind of nuclear winter.

00:34:51.820 So it would have been absolutely devastating.

00:34:54.500 The entire globe would have been devastated by the cataclysm.

00:34:58.920 So I subscribe to this view, that the entire world was affected by the cataclysm.

00:35:05.980 Civilization, especially in an ancient context, was founded, the great cities were usually 0.98

00:35:16.920 founded on the banks of rivers or in the coastal areas.

00:35:21.360 And these are precisely the areas that would have been submerged.

00:35:25.520 There would have been, you know, mile high tidal waves generated from these impacts.

00:35:29.700 And from all of that ice, the melt of the ice water, rather the freshwater melt from the glaciers,

00:35:40.600 you would have had just devastating flooding.

00:35:47.040 If you lived anywhere near the sea, your city would be underwater.

00:35:52.780 But if you're more inland, you would have perhaps been more affected by the wildfires and the earthquakes.

00:36:02.280 I mean, to think that there wasn't, you know, kind of some sort of advanced economics and trade

00:36:07.480 going on, agriculture going on back then, all that stuff is, even today, if that's slightly

00:36:11.860 disrupted, you're looking at, you know, mass deaths.

00:36:15.960 They were talking about if the internet goes down, people are going to die in problem.

00:36:20.920 It's, you know, it's just the tiniest little, you know, push of a button.

00:36:25.420 That's right.

00:36:25.800 It's still in our nature, right?

00:36:27.000 We're doing the same thing.

00:36:28.000 All of our cities are still coastal.

00:36:30.300 You know what I mean?

00:36:31.100 It's like all we are is one oceanic cataclysm away from destroying these coastal cities.

00:36:37.900 And what happens when the animals die?

00:36:39.500 Because you have a mass, you have a mass die off of the fauna.

00:36:45.640 And you're talking about, you're talking about a, an extinction level event that's unfolding

00:36:54.000 in the world.

00:36:55.140 And then, you know, all of the repercussions, you, it would be very, very difficult to survive,

00:37:02.040 very difficult to survive under those circumstances.

00:37:04.640 Um, so again, I subscribe to that view, which is kind of in the middle of the local flood

00:37:10.780 and the global flood.

00:37:11.940 And people, of course, will raise contentions immediately and say, doesn't the Bible say

00:37:16.920 every mountain was underwater and so on and so forth.

00:37:21.100 And the waters cover the whole earth.

00:37:22.540 The answer is yes and no.

00:37:25.160 Um, there are, again, the, the scholarship is when, if you read the papers on the, on

00:37:33.680 the, on the extent, the extent of the flood, you're going to find a various opinions by many

00:37:40.480 different scholars based on the terminology.

00:37:42.620 So no, it's not, it's not black and forth.

00:37:44.920 It's not black and white as people suppose, just like the genealogy, the pre-flood patriarchal

00:37:50.660 genealogy.

00:37:51.300 You know, we want, for some reason, we, we, so many Christians, and I'm a Christian, we

00:37:57.640 have this need for things to be, uh, for things to be simplified and, and concrete black and

00:38:07.300 white.

00:38:08.220 And, and we, for some reason, people need it to be that way.

00:38:12.320 But the, but the reality is it's not, it's not so many things that we think are concrete

00:38:17.080 are not in regard to, um, the Old Testament.

00:38:22.080 And again, um, there's a lot of scholarship on the flood of Noah, and there's a lot of

00:38:28.500 different positions, or at least a few different positions with a lot of commentary.

00:38:33.700 And you could, if you take the text, and I'm not a scholar, I'm not an ancient language

00:38:38.020 expert, but if you, but I've, I've read the work by, I've read a lot of the scholarly

00:38:42.240 articles, and you could, we have a particular rendering in, in our Bibles in regard to the

00:38:51.340 flood of Noah, but you could easily derive a different rendering.

00:38:55.520 Um, and based on the, uh, based on the way the words that are used in Hebrew and Aramaic

00:39:02.580 and so forth.

00:39:03.180 So it's, it's just not as simple as people think.

00:39:07.380 So that's a very long answer, uh, to your original question, which was how could have,

00:39:14.400 let's say the Nephilim survived. 0.73

00:39:16.420 Um, well, there's, there's a variety of answers and it depends on, it depends on where you fall

00:39:21.300 in, in terms of the extent of the flood.

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00:39:51.800 That the flood of Noah was in fact global and every mountain was underwater.

00:39:59.600 Mount Everest was underwater.

00:40:01.460 If that's, if that's what you believe, you have to, you have to come for some things.

00:40:04.620 If that's what you believe, like how, how did the, how did the aquatic life survive?

00:40:09.640 It wasn't on the ark.

00:40:10.500 And if you take salt, if you take creatures who, who are equipped to live in the ocean and

00:40:17.960 that saltwater environment, and you suddenly dilute that saltwater environment, those creatures

00:40:23.540 are going to die. 0.95

00:40:25.540 So you have to account for the oceanic life, the aquatic life surviving in those circumstances.

00:40:32.500 And the ecosystem is, is intricately connected.

00:40:35.600 You know, you can't have one ecosystem survive and all the other ones collapse. 0.73

00:40:41.400 So I might be, I might be just, uh, speaking out of my, my ass here, but, uh, what's the

00:40:46.240 salinity like salinity, like in the ocean as you go deeper? 0.91

00:40:49.280 Because when you start to get to like deep sea fishing, you're pulling stuff up that looks

00:40:53.880 historic.

00:40:54.620 I mean, ancient, I don't know.

00:40:56.680 I don't know.

00:40:58.680 I just know that the ecosystem is very delicate.

00:41:01.580 It's very delicate.

00:41:03.140 It cannot, you know, you can destroy an ecosystem by just modifying a few factors.

00:41:09.560 You can devastate an ecosystem.

00:41:11.560 It's very delicate.

00:41:12.760 So, and if you're talking about a global flood where every square inch of the ground is covered

00:41:17.620 with water, there's, it just, there's no way.

00:41:21.380 I mean, what are these sea creatures really going to survive on when the ecosystem on land

00:41:27.460 has collapsed, is gone.

00:41:28.740 Um, it's just, it's really untenable if you think about it.

00:41:34.200 So, um, so again, if you subscribe to this notion that every single mountain, every square

00:41:40.640 inch of planet earth was underwater, then you're really only left with a couple of options in

00:41:45.220 regard to how the Nephilim, we know how Noah and his family made it through the flood.

00:41:48.840 They were divinely providentially protected.

00:41:50.900 They were, they were carried through the flood.

00:41:54.680 Um, and we know that, but what about the Nephilim?

00:41:58.980 Well, you, you, you, you, you, you have to subscribe to really one of two, um, scenarios.

00:42:06.320 One is that there was another incursion, which is called the second incursion that the, that

00:42:13.060 the, what happened to Genesis six at Genesis six affair reoccurred, it happened again.

00:42:19.320 I have a problem with that because the consequence was so severe.

00:42:26.180 The punishment was so severe, uh, after the first incident that it's hard to imagine a

00:42:32.480 group of watchers getting together and repeating it right away.

00:42:36.040 It just was so severe.

00:42:38.300 And the judgment against the watchers was, was evident.

00:42:43.000 It was seen by the rest of the heavenly host.

00:42:45.800 So it's very difficult for me to imagine that just, it just happened again.

00:42:51.160 Um, and, and there is no account of a second incursion.

00:42:55.000 Why would there be such a detailed account of the first one, but not the second one?

00:42:58.400 Where's the second incursion?

00:42:59.600 Show me in any biblical or extra biblical text, where's the second incursion?

00:43:03.600 It's just not there.

00:43:04.420 It's non-existent.

00:43:05.180 So, um, I don't subscribe to the, quick question.

00:43:09.700 Um, so after the watchers are judged, um, and some are locked up, how many are locked

00:43:15.440 up?

00:43:15.920 How many are, are 200 watchers in there all condemned and imprisoned all of them, even

00:43:22.020 Lucifer?

00:43:23.340 Well, he wasn't a part of those watchers.

00:43:27.060 That's a different scenario.

00:43:29.040 Um, so returning to this, to finish this thought, to answer, to finish the answering your previous

00:43:34.320 question.

00:43:34.820 Um, so there's the second incursion.

00:43:38.400 Um, and then the other, the other hypothesis, if you subscribe to every square inch of the

00:43:42.980 earth being underwater is that the genetic markers of the giants of the Nephilim made it through

00:43:52.300 through the flood via the genomes of Noah's sons, or more specifically Noah's sons' wives, and even more

00:44:01.680 specifically, uh, Ham and, and his wife and, and their offspring.

00:44:06.740 So, um, okay, that's a possibility.

00:44:10.980 I, I, uh, that is plausible, certainly.

00:44:13.720 Um, but if you subscribe to my position, a local flood, or to my position, which would be a global

00:44:20.240 cataclysm, um, then the answer is actually even, even simpler.

00:44:26.000 However, there were places on earth that were less affected, that were more survivable, survivable, although nearly all

00:44:37.840 of humanity was destroyed, um, indeed nearly all of the animals, um, there might have been pockets, places on

00:44:50.020 earth where the Nephilim, the offspring, the watchers, and, and, and other kinds of creatures might have been

00:44:56.740 able to survive, um, that where the ecosystem was still intact and it, and it, it was, uh, much less

00:45:07.080 devastated by the cataclysm.

00:45:08.680 So that's a very simple answer.

00:45:10.840 Um, and, and, and again, everyone's going to want to go back to the Masoretic text and say, but it says, you

00:45:17.020 know, they're going to, in the comments of your video, they're going to say, it says, and, you know, this

00:45:21.660 verse and this verse, that everything that had breath and every mountain, and I'm just telling everyone

00:45:26.620 right now that it's not as cut and dry as you think.

00:45:29.200 You see, I'm not a scholar.

00:45:31.080 I'm assuming you guys are not scholars.

00:45:32.580 We are casual Bible readers.

00:45:35.580 How could you tell?

00:45:38.180 We are casual Bible readers and including myself, but we have access to scholarship, to the individuals

00:45:46.140 whose careers are to, to learn these dead languages and understand the different meanings and potential

00:45:54.580 meanings of things and, and to avail ourselves of their work.

00:45:57.920 And when you do that, you realize it's just, as I said, not as cut and dry as you think.

00:46:02.240 There's, there's a lot of possibility.

00:46:05.240 There's a lot of flexibility in these stories.

00:46:08.580 Now, lest anyone accuse me of not believing in the Bible, I absolutely subscribe to the

00:46:16.900 biblical narrative.

00:46:17.740 And I don't think there's any leeway as it pertains to the gospel of Christ that is cut

00:46:21.540 and dry.

00:46:22.820 So don't think that I'm extending this flexibility in the, the, the biblical flood narrative or

00:46:29.660 the genealogy of, of the pre-flood patriarchs to the gospel of Christ.

00:46:34.240 Certainly not.

00:46:35.680 That's a completely different situation for many reasons.

00:46:39.200 So, um, and you asked the question that, uh, I don't recall you had another question.

00:46:47.420 Oh, that's right.

00:46:48.460 And that's a good question because there is some confusion here and, um, and people might

00:46:56.960 be wondering where I'm deriving some of my understanding of this material from the, everyone

00:47:04.560 knows that the Genesis six account is, is like two sentences, right?

00:47:11.140 Um, the Genesis account is not the full account, obviously of the pre-flood world.

00:47:16.760 There was one that priest precedes it from which the Genesis account is, is drawing.

00:47:22.580 Uh, and that's clear.

00:47:25.180 That's evident for many reasons.

00:47:26.260 And I believe that among other, uh, manuscripts, the book of Enoch, I think is central here to

00:47:33.840 understanding the first Enoch specifically the reality and the historic, the historicity of

00:47:44.600 the antediluvian world.

00:47:48.060 And so when you talk about the watchers and how many watchers were there, you, you can't

00:47:54.700 reference anything in the biblical text.

00:47:56.540 You have to go to the book of Enoch.

00:47:58.460 Well, they say a third, but that could be, who knows?

00:48:02.240 Well, the biblical text, you know, it makes this reference to a third of the angels.

00:48:05.120 There's a lot of contention around this.

00:48:06.480 Um, some people think that that's a future thing.

00:48:09.740 Um, so that's, that's a separate, that's a separate issue.

00:48:13.760 When you talk specifically about Genesis six and the watchers, you were referencing specifically

00:48:18.360 200 watchers who descended to the earth in the days of Jared, 200.

00:48:24.140 Uh, and all 200 of those watchers are, are bound in chains, uh, and darkness as Peter and

00:48:32.720 Jude allude to, and, and we'll be in this condition until the great judgment.

00:48:38.360 And this is another misconception here.

00:48:40.340 There is no indication either in the biblical text and certainly not in the book of Enoch

00:48:44.300 that any of these watchers are going to be released at the end of the age.

00:48:48.380 They are, they are bound until the, as the book of Enoch puts it, are bound until the age

00:48:55.460 is fully consummated until the great judgment.

00:49:00.180 So, um, there is no release of the watchers.

00:49:04.180 Those 200 watchers are bound in Tartarus, as Peter says.

00:49:08.500 So, um, and in regard to the, in regard to this, this character that we in the West, uh,

00:49:19.120 call Satan, indeed the New Testament also references him as Satan.

00:49:22.880 Um, this character is not necessarily directly involved in the sin of the watchers.

00:49:35.640 Now, he may be indirectly involved in there, but we would have to speculate about that.

00:49:40.300 He may be indirectly involved.

00:49:41.380 And there is some, some indication in first Enoch that that may be the case, but that's

00:49:46.620 also questionable for other reasons.

00:49:48.080 Does that mean, uh, sorry to interrupt, but does that mean that he, he didn't, um, he

00:49:53.360 didn't take part in, in bearing offspring with the, with the, the men, the daughters of

00:49:59.200 man?

00:49:59.480 Is that what you're saying?

00:50:00.460 No, he did not.

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00:50:32.860 Do you associate Samjaza slash Azazel with Satan?

00:50:44.040 And, and some, some scholars do, I personally do not, but you'll find scholars who will say

00:50:50.380 that Samjaza or Azazel are in fact, Satan.

00:50:56.180 That's that, that's this satanic figure that we find in the new Testament.

00:51:00.360 Um, I do not believe that there's several reasons why I don't believe that.

00:51:04.440 Uh, but it's important to understand because now we're delving into the book of Enoch from

00:51:08.980 which the, the story of the watchers is derived primarily.

00:51:13.140 Um, you, there's, it's a, it, the narrative in 1st Enoch is a composite.

00:51:19.280 It's very clearly a composite narrative.

00:51:21.480 It's not one narrative.

00:51:23.540 There were perhaps a handful of oral traditions or manuscripts that were combined together.

00:51:28.360 And I'm not even talking about 2nd and 3rd Enoch.

00:51:30.780 That's a completely different topic.

00:51:32.240 I'm just talking about within 1st Enoch.

00:51:34.480 Um, and this becomes evident when you realize that as you're reading through 1st Enoch,

00:51:40.560 sometimes Samjaza, or he has different renderings of his name based on which edition you're reading

00:51:47.020 the book of Enoch.

00:51:49.180 Sometimes Samjaza is depicted as the, or Semi-Jaza, sometimes his name is rendered,

00:51:54.500 is depicted as the ringleader and sometimes as Azazel, this other watcher, Azazel.

00:52:02.300 And then also there's the possibility that these are distinct figures.

00:52:06.000 And I think they are.

00:52:06.760 I don't think they're the same person.

00:52:08.260 I think these are two distinct watchers, Samjaza and Azazel.

00:52:12.320 And I don't think either of them are this, this figure of Satan that we have in the New Testament.

00:52:18.820 I think that he's the original rebel.

00:52:22.080 His defection from the kingdom happened long before the episode with the watchers.

00:52:26.620 In fact, you know, he is that serpent of old, the dragon and the devil who was in Eden.

00:52:32.440 And, and so he was a rebel and a defector before the watchers because he was in Eden, the garden of God.

00:52:42.760 So, um, there is, and I would, I would argue that there was already a group of defected,

00:52:52.940 let's call them defected sons of God, apostate sons of God inhabiting the earth before the advent of the watchers. 0.72

00:53:01.020 In other words, these 200 watchers, this was a completely separate episode of defection, of rebellion.

00:53:07.800 And so, you know, sometimes all of these different bad actors in the biblical narrative are conflated.

00:53:16.380 But I think that we can, we can see different episodes and different characters involved.

00:53:20.440 However, I will say that I do believe that whereas this figure we call Satan was not directly involved in the sin of the watchers,

00:53:32.460 I do think he was indirectly involved.

00:53:33.960 In other words, he may have been involved in tempting the watchers, convincing them to do what they did,

00:53:40.560 but he did not himself copulate with a human female and, and thereby progenerate human hybrid offspring.

00:53:52.680 Um, that is evident because all of the watchers, Simjah, Zazel, and the rest of them were all condemned.

00:54:00.480 They were all bound in chains and, and are awaiting the day, uh, the day of judgment, the final judgment.

00:54:10.820 And if that were the case, if, if, if Satan were involved in that group, then he would also be bound in chains.

00:54:18.100 And, and, and that does not correlate to, uh, certainly the New Testament where we read that Satan goes around like a roaring lion seeking who he might devour, right?

00:54:30.820 This idea that the devil is still very much active in the world and, and, and is tempting.

00:54:38.580 And I mean, he's with Jesus in the desert, in the wilderness, tempting the son of God.

00:54:44.920 So he's clearly not in chains, in Tartarus, in Hades, in, you know, the underworld, what have you.

00:54:53.880 So, um, but that's an important clarification, I think.

00:54:59.000 And it makes, you know, it actually makes a lot of sense because, um, there's rules.

00:55:03.360 There are spiritual rules that these beings must play by even, even the devil himself.

00:55:08.500 If you read the book of Job, it's constantly, he's constantly getting consent.

00:55:12.760 Can I do this?

00:55:13.600 Can I then do that?

00:55:14.900 And it's like, yeah, but he's asking first.

00:55:16.860 He's not just doing.

00:55:18.400 So he's, he's, he's a, you know, he's a clever fellow.

00:55:22.040 And yeah, wow.

00:55:22.560 That's a, that's actually a very interesting way to look at it. 0.90

00:55:25.520 He's the worst.

00:55:26.120 He's not the worst of the, of these fallen angels.

00:55:29.180 He's just the one.

00:55:29.680 Well, he might be, but he's not, he wasn't condemned with the watchers.

00:55:32.920 He wasn't involved in their episode directly.

00:55:35.100 Um, and, and, and in regard to the, the accountant Job, um, you know, there's, again, going back

00:55:44.860 to the scholarly material, there is contention there as well in regard to who that figure

00:55:50.120 is.

00:55:50.840 If that is in fact, Satan with a capital S or a Satan, um, because Satan is not a, it does

00:56:01.280 not really become a proper title until the new Testament.

00:56:05.900 In the old Testament, there are multiple Satans.

00:56:09.060 And so it's, it's, uh, it's, it's all very nebulous, um, in the old Testament.

00:56:16.980 So, but I do believe that it's clear, it's clear if you read in the biblical narrative

00:56:24.380 that this original rebel, Satan with a capital S is permitted to tempt, that that is his role.

00:56:37.660 That is, you may, you might consider it to be his, his obligation at this point that he

00:56:44.040 is, that he is permitted to tempt.

00:56:47.200 And, and again, he, he clearly does so with, with Jesus and he wanted to sift Peter, if

00:56:56.800 you recall.

00:56:57.760 So, um, that's an, that's an ongoing function of, of the devil with a capital D, Satan with

00:57:05.680 a capital S.

00:57:06.420 And I keep saying that because those who are familiar with some of the scholarship in the

00:57:09.840 old Testament will understand that, that there are devils and Satans.

00:57:13.920 That's not always referencing just one particular individual, um, Satan being more of a descriptive

00:57:20.500 that means the, the adversary.

00:57:24.100 Somebody said Satan Christ job titles and angels as well.

00:57:27.780 Angel means messenger.

00:57:28.960 It's kind of what they're doing.

00:57:30.080 Right.

00:57:30.600 The, the, the, the, the, the word Satan means adversary.

00:57:35.600 Um, and a couple of other words as well that, that you, you might use, but adversary is basically

00:57:42.340 what it boils down to.

00:57:43.240 So, um, and again, in the new Testament, we have the identification of like a capital S

00:57:51.400 Satan, who's the chief of the rebels, the angelic rebel rebels.

00:57:56.860 And that certainly is true.

00:57:58.960 And I make a very strong case for that in my book birthright.

00:58:01.900 And, and I subscribe to that notion.

00:58:03.500 I think he is the, the, the, uh, the principal rebel and, and perhaps even the first, probably

00:58:11.820 the first and, and, and he is involved in this narrative very, very intimately.

00:58:17.840 In fact, I would say there, again, a lot of contention around this statement as well,

00:58:22.180 but I would say that it is that individual, that very individual, the dragon who I, I, I,

00:58:28.980 I, I use the dragon moniker in my book more than any other, um, that, that this capital S

00:58:36.820 Satan figure was in fact, the beguiler of Eve in Eden.

00:58:41.360 Um, he was the serpent.

00:58:43.600 It's not a talking snake.

00:58:44.640 I think we all understand that at this point, um, that it was him.

00:58:49.640 And, uh, and he was permitted to do that for very particular reasons.

00:58:54.200 But I would also say that Eden is largely, the Eden story is largely an allegory.

00:59:00.100 So, um, anyway.

00:59:05.620 I, uh, I wanted to touch on something I've heard you discuss before, and I always wanted

00:59:10.580 the opportunity to hear you elaborate, um, if there was any elaboration to be made, but

00:59:15.640 I believe it was actually on the podcast, Blurry Creatures, which is a tremendous show.

00:59:20.160 Uh, highly recommend everybody go check out those guys.

00:59:22.420 You were discussing your conversations with, uh, people in Peru, and you said that the government

00:59:31.740 of Peru had become very, um, touch and go with visitors of your nature because of the series

00:59:43.760 Ancient Aliens.

00:59:45.260 Basically, they had become upset with this idea that you or any other potential visitor

00:59:50.800 might be there to try to paint some, some picture, uh, that would be, you know, uh, adapted

00:59:59.160 to a History Channel series.

01:00:01.800 And because of this, you, you, you found some resistance, uh, in trying to do a lot of the

01:00:09.160 things that you set out to do while you were there.

01:00:10.880 Sure.

01:00:11.880 And you mentioned that the narrative you'll get from the government of Peru on how their

01:00:19.420 megalithic structures were made would be one thing, but that if you asked someone who

01:00:26.720 was more local and more native, uh, in their, and I suppose their family's genealogy, what

01:00:36.600 the origin of these megalithic structures would have been, they would tell you that a race

01:00:42.980 of giants, um, built the megalithic structures, but who at some point became cannibalistic in

01:00:52.240 nature and then were punished by being wiped out with a series of, or a flood water.

01:01:02.600 And I wonder if I'm sure, uh, I butchered that to some degree, if you could add some clarification

01:01:09.600 to that, the nature of these giants, who they were in relation to the Peruvian people, just

01:01:14.860 maybe a little bit more fleshing out of what it is that they believe, uh, the origins of

01:01:19.980 their megalithic structures truly were.

01:01:22.100 Sure.

01:01:23.100 Okay.

01:01:24.100 Uh, yes.

01:01:25.100 The ministry of culture in Peru is very irritated with the ancient aliens narrative.

01:01:30.100 Um, I don't really subscribe to the ancient aliens narrative, although I always say that 1.00

01:01:37.840 the premise of the theory is true, but that's about it.

01:01:44.100 Um, the, the tendency in Peru among archeologists and historians is to attribute many of the most,

01:02:02.100 in fact, of the megaliths that you find throughout that land in the Andes to the Inca, that they

01:02:08.340 were these master masons that the Inca built the megaliths and whether it be Sacsayhuaman

01:02:15.420 in Cusco or Jantaytambo or Machu Picchu, uh, the foundations of Machu Picchu are indeed megalithic.

01:02:23.280 So the conventional narrative is that the Inca built all of this.

01:02:27.920 Um, and it's true that if the guides and the archeologists and the historians overhear

01:02:39.560 you discussing an alternative view, whether you're walking around with your own group or

01:02:45.940 you're just standing there talking to somebody, observing the walls, it's not uncommon for

01:02:52.880 them to display some degree of hostility.

01:02:57.040 I encountered such hostility in Machu Picchu.

01:03:00.580 In fact, we were very close.

01:03:04.920 My group was very close to getting thrown out of Machu Picchu last time we were there.

01:03:08.140 And the reason why is because there's a particular stone structure, uh, in Machu Picchu called the

01:03:17.920 Intiwatana.

01:03:20.120 And the Intiwatana is basically a timepiece.

01:03:23.080 It's a solar timepiece and it's, uh, it's got very intricate cuts in it.

01:03:27.740 It's, uh, I believe it's granite and it, it's, it's devised to make categories.

01:03:38.140 Calculate calculations based on the shadows that are cast from the sun and they call it

01:03:45.320 the, um, there it is.

01:03:46.920 They call it the, uh, hitching post of the sun because it was, it was a solar timepiece.

01:03:57.360 And I became aware before I went to Peru with this, I took a group to Peru with, by the

01:04:03.300 way, blurry creatures.

01:04:04.140 It was, uh, um, we did a Peru trip last year.

01:04:08.320 I went with Nate and Luke from blurry creatures and a, and a, and a group of, uh, about 40

01:04:14.900 people went with us and, um, we were touring Machu Picchu and, and I was, I was talking me

01:04:22.280 and me and my colleague, Andres Adazme, who I previously mentioned were kind of guiding

01:04:28.740 our group around Machu Picchu and I had become aware previous to this trip that it appears

01:04:36.840 apparently they have discovered, I believe it's in Turkey, another Intiwatana, but it's,

01:04:49.700 it's, it's, it's very similar.

01:04:50.920 I've seen pictures of it.

01:04:52.840 Um, and it's very similar to the one in Machu Picchu and it appears to have the same function.

01:04:58.620 It, it looks like a solar device, uh, a device that's, that was used to, to make calculations

01:05:07.720 based on the movements of the sun.

01:05:09.020 Um, so that obviously is very intriguing because if, if it's true that there's an Intiwatana

01:05:15.940 in Turkey, then that is proof positive that the Inca did not build Machu Picchu because

01:05:25.240 they weren't around in Turkey.

01:05:27.300 As far as I know, there were no Inca in Turkey.

01:05:31.820 So I was discussing this with my group and we weren't, we weren't, they, for some reason

01:05:38.600 they've, they close off the area where the Intiwatana is at Machu Picchu now in the afternoon.

01:05:43.820 It's only open in the morning for whatever reason.

01:05:46.580 And, uh, we couldn't go up there because we were in the afternoon.

01:05:49.420 And, and so we were sort of standing at a different part of the, of the citadel.

01:05:55.500 And I was pointing up to it and talking and discussing the Intiwatana, the Intiwatana and

01:06:00.600 the, and the one in Turkey.

01:06:03.600 And there happened to be a guide standing there.

01:06:06.620 Wasn't, he was not part of our group.

01:06:10.240 He was a, um, what would you call him?

01:06:13.540 I mean, he was, he was a, he was a, one of the official guides, but he was also there

01:06:19.540 to kind of, um, like in, like in a, in a guard capacity also walking around, making sure people

01:06:28.560 are climbing around on the megaliths and, and, and also eavesdropping and listening to

01:06:32.740 what's being said because they do that at Machu Picchu, but he's an official, an official

01:06:37.540 employee.

01:06:39.300 And he heard me talking about this and I was speaking English.

01:06:44.560 He spoke English and, and making some commentary in Spanish as well.

01:06:49.580 And he literally walked up to us and started waving his hands and saying, wait, wait, wait,

01:06:56.300 wait, wait a minute.

01:06:57.000 You can't say that.

01:06:58.140 You can't say that.

01:06:59.440 Who are you?

01:07:00.740 What gives you the authority to say something like that?

01:07:04.080 Um, are you a guide?

01:07:06.120 Are, do you have permission, um, to, to basically to say the things you're saying?

01:07:12.920 Um, and I looked at him and I said, I, I don't think I need permission to express an opinion

01:07:17.840 about these stones.

01:07:21.540 Um, and I, I even said to him, I said, what, what, what are we in North Korea?

01:07:25.620 I mean, I'm not allowed to have my own thoughts about this.

01:07:28.880 And what I'm saying, the information, he didn't like it at all that we were, that, that I was

01:07:35.880 saying that I, that I was suggesting that there was a, there, there was an Inti one, Inti

01:07:41.260 Guatana, uh, artifacts somewhere other than Machu Picchu or Peru and, and, and suggesting

01:07:49.560 thereby that, that Machu Picchu was not in fact built by the Inca, that it was built by

01:07:54.840 some other more ancient civilization, a lost civilization.

01:07:59.380 Um, and, and it clearly, and it clearly was not built by the Inca.

01:08:03.380 The foundations of Machu Picchu are megalithic.

01:08:05.700 And then you see where the Inca repaired those foundations and built on top of them.

01:08:08.820 And it's obviously inferior.

01:08:09.840 So, um, they found Machu Picchu and they built it up again.

01:08:17.220 And Machu Picchu, by the way, that's not the original name.

01:08:20.840 The natives called it Ijampu.

01:08:23.180 And Ijampu means the abode of the gods or the dwelling of the gods.

01:08:28.660 And why would they say that?

01:08:30.600 Why would they call this the abode of the gods?

01:08:32.540 Because of the megalithic ruins.

01:08:33.980 So, um, the Inca, I think very clearly found Machu Picchu in a ruined state, saw the megalithic

01:08:43.760 foundations and, and assumed that the gods had built this place and had inhabited it.

01:08:49.860 And so obviously they were the offspring of the gods, the Inca in their minds. 0.62

01:08:53.320 And, and, and so this was their legacy.

01:08:57.380 This was their heritage.

01:08:58.420 And so of course they're going to rebuild it and reoccupy it being the offspring of the gods. 0.80

01:09:02.520 Um, and I'm, and I think the name, the original name for the site reflects that Ijampu, the

01:09:09.160 abode of the gods.

01:09:10.540 So, but long story short, this, this individual became very hostile with us, me and Andres,

01:09:18.800 and threatened to kick us out and ban us for life.

01:09:21.980 And was basically pushing us out of the complex just because we were saying, suggesting that,

01:09:30.040 you know, the things I had, I, I've said.

01:09:32.440 So, um, there is definitely, this is not something that they're doing because somehow what you're

01:09:38.500 saying is, is dangerous, but more so because they're so sick and tired with this potential,

01:09:45.940 like ancient aliens narrative and the West coming over and turning, you know, their culture

01:09:51.980 into a history.

01:09:53.160 That's what this derives from this.

01:09:55.240 That's part of it.

01:09:56.140 Certainly.

01:09:57.120 It's certainly part of, but also there's a sanctioned narrative and it's, you know,

01:10:02.400 in this day and age, they accuse you of racism.

01:10:04.820 If you say that the Inca didn't build this, um, you know, you're, they'll tell you you're

01:10:10.720 stripping us.

01:10:11.460 You're, why are you trying to strip us of our heritage?

01:10:14.120 Um, which is funny because the Peruvians are not the descendants of the Inca.

01:10:19.140 They're not.

01:10:20.700 So when they say this is our heritage, it's really not their heritage.

01:10:23.980 The Inca subjugated their people.

01:10:26.640 The Inca were a bloodline.

01:10:28.400 They were, they look different.

01:10:30.200 I mean, you look at a picture of Altawapa on, uh, on, pull up an image of Altawapa on Google.

01:10:36.700 He was the, the Sapa Inca, the, the Inca emperor when the Spanish arrived, when, when, um,

01:10:43.920 Francisco Pizarro arrived to Peru during the conquest of Peru.

01:10:47.460 He has a mustache and he's described by the chroniclers of, as being more fair skin and

01:10:54.180 taller than the, this is not a, this is not commentary on race.

01:10:57.800 This is just historical fact.

01:10:59.100 And so the Inca were a bloodline.

01:11:02.780 It is not accurate to call all of the inhabitants of the Inca empire as, um, as Inca to, to, to

01:11:12.200 denominate them all as Inca.

01:11:14.060 Rather, all of these different tribes were subjugated by the Inca.

01:11:21.660 And the Inca were a very particular bloodline.

01:11:25.080 They were, it was the royal family.

01:11:27.260 Only the royal family were the Inca.

01:11:30.040 And everyone else was whatever the tribe they happened to be.

01:11:32.680 In fact, in the city of Cusco, city of Cusco is divided into four quarters, just like the

01:11:37.340 empire at large, the Tawantinsuyu, which had four sectors.

01:11:42.400 Uh, and, and the, and those sectors, by the way, correspond to the way that the city of,

01:11:48.100 uh, Cusco is divided.

01:11:49.820 And I have this whole, uh, there, there's a lot you could say there, but, um, and in each

01:11:56.060 sector, each tribe that lived in the city of Cusco subjugated to the Inca had to live and

01:12:02.340 were confined to their sector of the city.

01:12:04.340 And by law, they had to dress in their, in their, uh, tribal garb.

01:12:09.960 So they had to dress the way their tribal people traditionally dress and they had to stay in 1.00

01:12:14.300 their sector.

01:12:16.120 They were not Inca.

01:12:17.460 They were subjugated by the Inca.

01:12:18.960 The Inca lived in the palaces.

01:12:21.800 So, um, and some people, um, believe that the Inca, that at least some of the Inca had elongated

01:12:31.020 skulls, that, that, that particular race was an elongated skull race.

01:12:36.420 I don't know.

01:12:37.340 I haven't personally seen evidence of this.

01:12:39.620 Um, the images of the Inca kings of the Inca princes and kings kind of, um, negates that

01:12:50.040 theory because none of them depict any of the Inca with elongated skulls.

01:12:55.440 However, there are some indications that that might be true.

01:12:58.300 Um, and I saw you pulled up some pictures about the wild, but there's a couple in particular

01:13:04.540 where he has a, he has a mustache and some where he doesn't, but there's a, a couple where

01:13:08.500 he has a mustache.

01:13:09.560 And I saw one of Huascar that you pulled up.

01:13:12.280 Huascar doesn't have a mustache, but Huascar was just half brother.

01:13:16.840 There he is.

01:13:17.200 He's got a little, little dust.

01:13:18.220 He's got a little mustache.

01:13:19.020 He does have a little mustache.

01:13:20.340 What ultimately became of the actual Inca bloodline?

01:13:23.880 They were not, they were completely annihilated.

01:13:26.720 Genocide.

01:13:27.120 The Inca were genocided.

01:13:30.460 Um, so this is a false notion in Peru that, you know, the Peruvians hail from the Inca.

01:13:36.860 They don't, they come from the other tribes that were subjugated by the Inca.

01:13:42.660 And, and, and that's not to disparage the Peruvian people at all.

01:13:45.980 These were all of these other tribes were remarkable in their own way, but the Inca empire, the Inca

01:13:51.560 lineage is gone.

01:13:52.780 Um, it was, it was, it was very purposely eradicated by the Spanish.

01:13:58.380 Um, so, uh, I don't know why I went down that path, but.

01:14:02.880 Well, we were originally going in this direction of whether or not there is, I guess it would

01:14:10.120 have been the stories from the Inca that the megalithic site that they built upon were actually built by a race of, of giants.

01:14:22.560 The Inca have no commentary.

01:14:24.960 Well, they don't have any writing.

01:14:26.460 They don't have any writing.

01:14:27.900 They have what's called kippus. 0.98

01:14:30.160 And they have Yupana as well.

01:14:31.480 Yupana was their, was their system, uh, their mathematical system.

01:14:36.020 A kippus was their, you might call it writing, but it's not writing. 0.68

01:14:40.620 It's, it's, it's, you've probably seen it.

01:14:42.320 It's like knots.

01:14:43.440 It's strings with knots in it.

01:14:45.500 And this was a very, very, very sophisticated, um, form of communication.

01:14:52.620 And only the Inca priests and, and the, and the royal bloodline were privy to kippus. 0.94

01:15:01.380 They're the only ones who could read it.

01:15:02.600 And, um, so there was no writing.

01:15:07.160 So we don't know what the Incas say about anything.

01:15:10.200 We can't read kippus. 0.98

01:15:12.380 Um, so we don't know.

01:15:14.180 We do know, however, what the Aymara people who are up in the, in the north by, uh, south, rather,

01:15:21.160 they're south of Cusco by Puno.

01:15:23.220 They inhabited that area.

01:15:24.140 Very, very ancient people, the Aymara people and the Quechua people.

01:15:28.140 Um, the Quechua were the inhabitants around the, uh, Cusco.

01:15:34.000 Uh, and the Quechuans say that before the Inca came, that the walls of Sacsayhuaman,

01:15:44.820 the megalithic sites that you find in the Andes were constructed by the offspring of the gods,

01:15:50.320 the giants.

01:15:51.240 They'll say that the giants built them.

01:15:53.480 That's what they say.

01:15:54.000 The offspring of the gods.

01:15:55.480 Right.

01:15:55.800 So the, so Sacsayhuaman, for example, if you ask, and you can still find them in Cusco,

01:16:02.020 the, the older Quechuan people, some of them don't even speak Spanish.

01:16:05.220 They only speak Quechua.

01:16:07.120 And if you were to ask them who built these megalithic walls, they would tell you that

01:16:14.660 they were built by giants.

01:16:16.440 So, um, that's the, the lore of the pre-Inca people.

01:16:21.820 The, the, and again, the Inca never actually claimed that they built them.

01:16:25.060 So all of the, the walls around, uh, Machu Picchu, all of the, um, rather, what am I saying

01:16:35.020 here?

01:16:35.160 All of the megalithic foundations of Cusco, when you're actually walking in the city,

01:16:42.660 I'm not talking about Sacsayhuaman now, which is a mile outside of the city.

01:16:47.080 It's kind of, it's really part of Cusco, but when you're walking downtown in downtown Cusco

01:16:52.460 in the middle of the city, and you're walking through the streets, which is really remarkable

01:16:56.760 because as you're walking through the streets, you, you are bounded by massive, exquisite

01:17:04.480 megalithic walls.

01:17:08.100 And they're, the majority of them, if not all of them, the, the, the largest ones are

01:17:14.040 made of green diorite.

01:17:15.840 And I know that the original megalithic foundations of my, of Cusco are green diorite.

01:17:22.020 I know that for a fact.

01:17:23.900 So, um, somebody was building there long before the Inca, the Inca, what they received was

01:17:31.580 a legacy.

01:17:33.100 They received information and knowledge from an older culture.

01:17:36.240 Now the Inca were very sophisticated masons.

01:17:40.520 They were excellent masons.

01:17:41.880 I always call the Inca, the Romans of, of South America. 0.99

01:17:47.020 They very much like the Romans were, were incredible masons. 0.93

01:17:50.920 And they, they were, they built amazing aqueducts, just like the Romans, different kinds of aqueducts.

01:17:57.620 So they were, they were ingenious, um, they were ingenious farmers.

01:18:03.160 I mean, they, they invented some, some absolutely incredible agricultural technologies and they

01:18:12.680 were a very sophisticated, remarkable civilization.

01:18:16.200 So I'm not trying to take anything away from the Inca.

01:18:18.060 Would you say invented or imparted?

01:18:21.440 I would say that the, this, the Inca were in possession of unusual knowledge.

01:18:30.360 That's evident, but they didn't build the megaliths.

01:18:33.660 And let's, let's take one example in particular, the walls of Sacsayhuaman.

01:18:39.740 You go to Peru, uh, Cusco rather, you go to the walls of Sacsayhuaman, some of the most 1.00

01:18:45.140 impressive megalithic walls, maybe the most impressive megalithic walls on earth.

01:18:50.280 And everybody says they were built by the Inca.

01:18:53.580 Where's the proof that they were built by the Inca?

01:18:55.280 None.

01:18:55.520 There is no proof.

01:18:56.500 The doorways at Sacsayhuaman, and this is not always the case with megaliths, by the way,

01:19:00.960 but the doorways at Sacsayhuaman are immense.

01:19:04.660 They're built for nine.

01:19:06.360 You could, a nine foot tall person, even a 10 foot tall person in some cases can pass

01:19:11.020 through those doorways.

01:19:12.160 And you'll notice the steps.

01:19:13.940 The steps that go up through the citadel of Sacsayhuaman are, are spaced unusually far apart.

01:19:20.660 So, uh, uh, I'm six foot one, my, my stride, those stairs were not built for a guy of my size.

01:19:32.580 If, if, if those stairs were, were built the way we build stairs, where you sort of take a stride

01:19:37.820 on each step, then you're looking at a nine foot tall guy, uh, which would correspond to the doors.

01:19:43.760 Um, and I think Sacsayhuaman is unique in, in this aspect that it, it, it looks like it was built for

01:19:52.260 very large people, whereas Ojantaytambo doesn't, by the way, which is also an exquisite megalithic

01:19:57.240 site.

01:19:57.980 Um, but in the case of Sacsayhuaman, it does.

01:20:01.060 And what's, what's really important is to understand that there is no direct evidence that the Inca built

01:20:08.560 Sacsayhuaman, none.

01:20:09.480 In fact, there is direct evidence to the contrary that's never, never been published officially.

01:20:15.180 I have a friend, um, a good friend of mine named Anselm P. Rambla, who's a Spanish explorer and,

01:20:20.680 um, has, uh, has, has done archeology.

01:20:24.820 He's not an archeologist, but he's worked with archeology.

01:20:26.560 He's had an archeologist on his team and they were given permission to excavate around Sacsayhuaman.

01:20:35.820 And it's all documented.

01:20:38.040 And when they were, they were digging into the foundations of Sacsayhuaman and when they 0.99

01:20:45.280 went deep into the foundations, cause a lot of that citadel is still buried.

01:20:51.860 When they dug down deep into the foundations, he discovered pre-Incan artifacts.

01:20:59.320 That's it.

01:21:03.980 That's it.

01:21:04.620 That's conclusive evidence that the Inca didn't build Sacsayhuaman, that somebody else did because

01:21:10.800 you have pre-Inca artifacts at the foundation, which means that those walls were standing when

01:21:18.600 a pre-Incan civilization occupied that area before the Inca.

01:21:23.760 So what happens when their historical centers get a, get a hold of that sort of information?

01:21:30.160 Well, they'll never, they'll never concede that in Peru because their whole, the whole

01:21:36.400 industry, the tourism industry is, is established on the Inca empire.

01:21:42.020 So they want all of these major sites to be Inca.

01:21:44.540 Not everything, you know, you have the Moche civilization, you have the Paracas, you have 1.00

01:21:48.080 all different kinds of civilizations that have their own ruins.

01:21:50.840 But, but, but as it pertains to Cusco in the, in the Andes mountains, it's the Inca,

01:21:56.160 it's the Inca empire.

01:21:57.680 And to attribute the walls of Sacsayhuaman to a pre-Incan culture, it's almost sacrilegious

01:22:05.480 to them.

01:22:06.680 And it, it deflates their narrative.

01:22:09.520 And I'm not saying that a, an inferior pre-Inca culture built those walls.

01:22:16.260 What I'm saying is that an, an inferior pre-Inca culture inhabited that area while those walls 1.00

01:22:24.740 were standing.

01:22:26.040 Those walls, in my estimation, were built in the antediluvian age by a remarkable civilization

01:22:31.400 that was destroyed in the cataclysm.

01:22:33.780 And, and they were using the same kind of technology and knowledge seen all over the

01:22:37.920 world on every continent.

01:22:38.860 So, the point is that we, there's artifacts.

01:22:44.280 Anselm documented the artifacts.

01:22:45.940 He took pictures.

01:22:46.760 There were archaeologists on the scene.

01:22:48.620 There were pot, there's pottery shards.

01:22:50.720 There's artifacts of pre-Incan civilizations.

01:22:54.620 Down when you dig down into the strata.

01:22:57.300 And you get down to the foundations.

01:22:59.060 So, so, so that right there is, is, um, evidence that, that the Inca didn't build those walls.

01:23:10.940 But, but you'll never see that.

01:23:12.580 You'll never hear that.

01:23:13.820 In fact, here in the United States, I'm probably the only person who knows.

01:23:18.260 Um, but Anselm P.

01:23:19.160 Ramla has documented it and, and, and, um, and did great work over there.

01:23:23.040 And I could talk for hours about, about Anselm P.

01:23:25.980 Ramla.

01:23:26.220 But, um, so that just gives you an idea of, of how misconstrued some of these megalithic

01:23:34.020 sites are in regard to their, in regard to the conventional narrative.

01:23:37.440 That's, that's literally just concocted to explain their existence.

01:23:42.840 Um, and, uh, there's, so, there's so much you could, you, you could say about these megalithic

01:23:47.480 sites.

01:23:48.120 Um, I do believe that there, there, there was a post-flood culture that could still build

01:23:55.860 megaliths on a smaller scale.

01:23:58.420 There was one, the Phoenicians. 0.90

01:24:01.900 But aside from the Phoenicians, by the way, who built Solomon's temple?

01:24:06.640 The Phoenicians.

01:24:08.160 Um, who circumvented, uh, circumnavigated Africa?

01:24:12.600 The Phoenicians.

01:24:13.400 Who built the battleships in the, in the, uh, and the, the, and the, the, so much of

01:24:20.320 the great palaces in, in Egypt.

01:24:22.240 The Phoenicians.

01:24:22.960 The Phoenicians are, are a, a, an important key to unlocking some of the mysteries of the

01:24:28.500 post-flood ancient world.

01:24:30.360 But the Phoenicians, they were the only ones in a, in a post-flood context, as far as I

01:24:35.340 can tell, who could approximate the skill, uh, the abilities of the masons that, that

01:24:43.540 preceded them in the, in the antediluvian world.

01:24:45.720 And, and also, by the way, the Phoenicians, there were giants among the Phoenicians and

01:24:51.620 they had a cult of giant worship.

01:24:53.140 Now, do you think, uh, so I was, that was the question I was actually going to ask, is

01:24:59.640 it, uh, was it, is it the people or is it the knowledge that they then are imparted by

01:25:05.380 their predecessors or their lowercase g gods?

01:25:09.140 Because, uh, it kind of just draws some overlaps with, uh, for me with what's been going on with

01:25:14.840 the UFO narrative, where, where reverse engineering, some of this stuff that has been left behind

01:25:20.580 and crashed here purposefully, or whatever you'd like to think about it, we are working

01:25:26.140 with this technology.

01:25:27.860 It's, it's of my opinion that we're using it right now to talk, because I don't know

01:25:31.500 exactly where you are, but David's about two hours from where I am.

01:25:34.360 And this is a miracle.

01:25:35.840 None of this stuff is even connected with, with wire.

01:25:38.320 It's kind of going through the air somehow.

01:25:40.580 Um, where do, where do aliens fall into this for you?

01:25:44.540 Or at least.

01:25:45.260 You mean specifically, are you talking about in an ancient context or are you talking about

01:25:49.120 like just in general?

01:25:50.580 Yeah.

01:25:51.000 The current, well, whatever, whatever the narrative is today.

01:25:55.380 Okay.

01:25:55.900 Let me put that.

01:25:56.720 Let me, let me address both, both, both of those things.

01:25:59.120 First, in an ancient context, I said that the, the premise of ancient aliens is true.

01:26:06.060 The premise, the premise of ancient aliens is that mankind has been in contact with extraterrestrial

01:26:11.520 beings since the beginning.

01:26:13.460 That's a, that is a biblical fact.

01:26:17.120 That's a biblical fact.

01:26:18.400 That's not ancient astronaut theory.

01:26:19.880 That is a biblical fact.

01:26:22.900 Um, now they get out, they get off into the weeds, uh, after that, but, but I, but I want

01:26:28.860 everyone to realize that that is indeed true.

01:26:30.380 Now that does not mean that aliens built the pyramids or aliens built this or that.

01:26:35.220 No, no. 0.98

01:26:36.180 That I think is ridiculous. 0.61

01:26:39.120 Um, so I'll leave that there.

01:26:40.800 But in regard to the phenomenon today, um, I think it's, it's evident that there is an

01:26:54.340 alien presence.

01:26:55.200 And I use the word alien very purposely, um, alien simply means let's make it, let's make

01:27:05.600 it, um, specific to sentient beings.

01:27:09.780 Okay.

01:27:10.020 Because you can have an amoeba on Mars.

01:27:12.120 That's technically an alien species, right?

01:27:13.900 Uh, in regard to conscious beings, alien is simply a race of conscious beings.

01:27:21.320 That is not us.

01:27:23.040 That is not the human species.

01:27:25.520 So any conscious beings that inhabit the earth that are not the human race are alien to the

01:27:39.540 human race.

01:27:40.160 Now that, that applies whether those creatures, whether those entities are from Mars or whether

01:27:48.100 they're from the inner earth or whether they're from some extra dimensional reality, right?

01:27:54.840 So that, that term applies extraterrestrial is much more definitive.

01:27:59.800 Extraterrestrial is a being whose provenance is not planet earth.

01:28:05.300 So that's different.

01:28:06.720 So an extraterrestrial is not from here.

01:28:10.740 Now you could have extraterrestrial beings who have been inhabiting the earth longer than

01:28:16.020 the human species, right?

01:28:19.240 They would still be extraterrestrial if they did, if they didn't originate here, even if they've

01:28:24.300 been inhabiting the planet longer than us.

01:28:26.780 That's an important thing to keep in mind when you, when you, when you are exposed to the,

01:28:32.360 the many, many different theories of, uh, in, in the, in ufology, um, in regard to these

01:28:41.280 entities, in regard to these, the alien presence, as I call it.

01:28:44.740 So there is an alien presence.

01:28:47.180 There's no question that there's an alien presence.

01:28:50.200 Um, the nature of that presence, the provenance of those beings that can be debated.

01:28:55.800 Um, and I don't know if I'm answering your question, but you know, there's a whole lot

01:29:01.480 of, and I'm sure in the, in the, in the comments of these kinds of discussions, you're going

01:29:05.900 to get the usual fare.

01:29:07.540 You're going to, you're going to get the people who say not the, the aliens are just

01:29:12.060 extraterrestrial, uh, extradimensionals, uh, not extraterrestrial, extradimensional, or

01:29:18.400 aliens are just demons, blah, blah, blah.

01:29:20.800 Those are very easy, simple explanations for something that's very complex.

01:29:25.120 And therefore those are very inaccurate explanations.

01:29:28.560 So, um, there's this contention that this alien presence, these entities with whom humanity

01:29:42.280 is interacting and interacting today in a very physical way.

01:29:48.360 We're talking about physical craft, reverse engineering of tangible technology interfacing

01:29:54.820 with physical beings.

01:29:56.820 Um, that's the kind of interaction I'm talking about, not like psychic interaction or something

01:30:01.200 like that.

01:30:01.800 I'm talking about physical interaction.

01:30:04.340 There's this notion that people want to write off what's called the extraterrestrial hypothesis,

01:30:09.980 completely write it off and say, nope, nope, nope.

01:30:13.020 These are extradimensionals or ultra terrestrials, or, you know, again, they come from the inner 0.99

01:30:18.000 earth, whatever.

01:30:18.480 The problem is that we know that the craft, their craft is capable of traversing outer space.

01:30:29.620 And obviously I'm going to be triggering all the flat earthers here, but, um, that their

01:30:37.080 craft is capable of, of, of traversing through our upper atmosphere and in, in, in, uh, outside

01:30:46.060 of the atmosphere of earth.

01:30:47.400 We know that because there have been credible, legitimate, uh, video evidence and photographic

01:30:54.600 evidence, evidence of, of UFO craft, including saucers out there.

01:30:59.020 So it's, so for me, I'm going to say that the alien presence is at least extraterrestrial.

01:31:08.880 Why do I say that?

01:31:10.880 Because if they can fly around in the, in, in, in the, uh, in outer space, then what's going

01:31:19.920 to inhibit them from flying to Mars or having a base on Mars or originating from Mars or any

01:31:25.620 of the other planets in our solar system?

01:31:27.060 Nothing is the answer.

01:31:27.980 Nothing, absolutely nothing.

01:31:29.160 So, um, I think at least we're dealing with extraterrestrials in the sense that they're

01:31:39.260 not originally from the earth.

01:31:40.780 Now, are they inhabiting the earth?

01:31:42.500 And, you know, there could be very, various groups here, but are they inhabiting the earth?

01:31:46.640 I think the answer there is also clearly yes, because I think it's, if you do, if you delve

01:31:53.140 into deep into ufology, um, you're going to encounter, I think, sufficient evidence to

01:32:00.840 deduce that let's be specific to gray aliens.

01:32:04.620 For example, gray aliens have bases in the earth and under the sea. 0.70

01:32:08.260 I think that's evident.

01:32:10.140 So they're here.

01:32:12.040 Um, and they're both inhabiting the earth and also have the capability to go elsewhere,

01:32:19.860 presumably in the, in the solar system.

01:32:21.920 So, um, so you see, you have a very complex picture here.

01:32:26.060 There are no easy answers in regard to extra.

01:32:29.480 And I know you didn't ask me this question, but this is where my brain went for whatever

01:32:32.040 reason in regard to extra, extra dimensional hypotheses.

01:32:38.060 I'm open to this.

01:32:39.480 Certainly.

01:32:40.020 I do believe there are more than, uh, I subscribe to the, to, to, uh, the extra spatial hypothesis.

01:32:49.540 In other words, that there are more than three dimensions, physical dimensions, something like

01:32:56.040 string theory, where there's, you know, 10 different dimensions to our reality that we

01:33:00.320 currently reside in, that we just can't perceive.

01:33:02.920 So I do subscribe to that.

01:33:04.120 I don't subscribe to alternate world theory.

01:33:07.680 I don't subscribe to the notion that there are, uh, multi, a multiverse, which obviously

01:33:14.440 the MCU and so many of the popular movies that have come out in the last 10 years have,

01:33:19.700 have made, made great use of this multiverse idea.

01:33:25.420 But, uh, yeah, that premise really caught fire, huh?

01:33:28.180 Yeah.

01:33:28.360 Way too much too, because if they're conflating a bunch of different theories, the multiverse

01:33:32.820 is different than, than an alternative world theory.

01:33:36.600 It's, it's not the same and it's not the same as hyperspace theory, which is what I said

01:33:41.200 that extras, there are extra spatial dimensions to the reality that we inhabit.

01:33:46.020 That's called hyperspace. 0.99

01:33:47.700 And, uh, I, I, I believe in hyperspace.

01:33:50.520 I think that's, uh, I think that's part of the fundamental reality of, of our world that

01:33:55.460 we inhabit, but, but this idea of multiverse, that's completely different.

01:34:02.080 That is a totally different idea.

01:34:03.960 And then obviously alternate realities, alternate, um, worlds are, are worlds that are not within

01:34:13.060 our, are not within the known universe.

01:34:16.080 They're like, they're outside of the known universe.

01:34:18.740 These are all different ideas.

01:34:20.520 They really are.

01:34:21.580 There are different theories that, that movies just, they just compress them all together

01:34:28.760 and they confuse the hell out of everybody.

01:34:32.220 Um, and so when someone says, oh, these are extra dimensional beings, well, what exactly

01:34:38.080 do you mean by extra dimension?

01:34:40.800 Are you saying that they're coming from a multiverse?

01:34:42.840 Are you saying they're coming from like an alternate universe like Narnia?

01:34:46.480 Are you saying that they're able to access the full spectrum of hyperspace of our hyperspatial

01:34:54.500 reality?

01:34:54.720 But that's still our universe, mind you.

01:34:57.720 That's still our universe.

01:34:58.960 What are you saying?

01:35:00.660 And the reality is that most people who use that term don't have any idea what they're

01:35:04.580 saying.

01:35:04.900 And so they take this, and forgive me for the rant here, but they take this, this very

01:35:11.980 plausible, rational explanation, the extra terrestrial hypothesis, and they throw it in

01:35:19.480 the garbage in favor of an extra dimensional hypothesis, which they do not understand.

01:35:24.900 And nobody really does, because we've never seen another dimension.

01:35:30.460 We have no idea what another dimension looks like, or what entities coming from another

01:35:36.460 dimension would look like, or how they would act, or how they would operate.

01:35:39.000 We have no idea, because all bets are off.

01:35:41.660 When you talk about a multiverse, for example, you could be talking about a plane of existence

01:35:46.360 where all of the laws of physics are different.

01:35:48.760 I do not subscribe to that.

01:35:49.940 I do not believe that's real.

01:35:51.000 That is fantasy as far as I'm concerned.

01:35:52.460 So if that's the case, then this is a realm of speculation that requires imagination, really.

01:36:04.280 And I'm not discounting that there's maybe something to this extra dimensional hypothesis,

01:36:11.040 not multiverse, and not alternative world theory.

01:36:14.500 I reject those two on biblical grounds, and that's another conversation.

01:36:19.060 Hyperspatial reality, yes.

01:36:22.460 And so these are, it's very important that people don't try and simplify something that's

01:36:28.460 very complex, because you lose the granularity of it.

01:36:32.060 It's a very low resolution perspective.

01:36:34.760 And so in regard to who these entities are, well, there's things that we know about them.

01:36:39.440 I'm not sure if this was even your question.

01:36:41.060 There's things that we know about them.

01:36:43.020 We know that they have nuts and bolts technology that we can recover and reverse engineer.

01:36:47.820 And people might say, well, what makes you think you know that?

01:36:51.660 We know that.

01:36:52.860 And you can spend three hours explaining why it's really conclusive that that's the fact,

01:37:01.000 that that's the reality.

01:37:01.660 We know they're physical beings, at least some of them.

01:37:04.300 We know that they're using technology.

01:37:06.560 We know that they die.

01:37:07.620 And it can be killed, in fact.

01:37:12.520 So we're dealing with a physical reality, and they are abiding by at least some of what

01:37:21.400 we understand as the laws of physics.

01:37:24.440 They're not entering into our reality and doing whatever they want, like the genie from

01:37:29.520 Aladdin.

01:37:29.880 So we know these things.

01:37:33.840 And so the extra, and as I said before, we also know that their capabilities are such

01:37:38.320 that they can easily maneuver outside of our atmosphere.

01:37:45.020 And just as they have bases on the earth, it seems rational to conclude that they have

01:37:51.480 bases elsewhere in the solar system.

01:37:52.920 They certainly have the technology, apparently, to traverse the air in the same way that they

01:38:02.400 traverse the water.

01:38:03.840 This is apparent.

01:38:04.820 And even in the documentation that's been released by the government, when a saucer goes

01:38:11.540 into the sea, when it goes into the water, it moves through the water in the same way

01:38:16.680 it moves through the air.

01:38:17.180 In other words, the water, there is no impedance of the water whatsoever.

01:38:22.240 From what I understand, it's like the technology is kind of like actually dragging it forward

01:38:28.780 rather than propelling it forward.

01:38:30.760 That's at least what I've understood from Bob Lazar and what he said.

01:38:34.260 The space-time, space-time, it's not moving, it's not moving through matter.

01:38:45.040 It's moving space-time around it.

01:38:47.660 So that's why it's moving the atmosphere around it.

01:38:53.040 It's moving, it's bending space-time.

01:38:55.800 So water and air, it doesn't matter because it's literally bending space-time.

01:39:00.820 It's removing all resistance.

01:39:02.420 There's no resistance.

01:39:03.400 There's no friction.

01:39:04.580 Right.

01:39:05.080 It's not moving through the air.

01:39:06.600 It's not actually moving through the water.

01:39:08.340 It's moving that matter around it.

01:39:11.020 Mr. Albarino, before, because I want to respect your time and we've actually gone five minutes

01:39:15.280 over them, what we told you.

01:39:16.820 I apologize for this rant.

01:39:18.980 No, this is fantastic.

01:39:20.180 No, no, no.

01:39:20.780 We're just doing this for your sake.

01:39:22.800 I got time for it.

01:39:24.200 I want to respect.

01:39:25.420 It's amazing that you came on here to talk with us to begin with.

01:39:28.800 So I do thank you for that.

01:39:30.840 Tremendous thank you.

01:39:31.520 Where do you put the idea, sorry, just before, you know, you have to go or anything, where

01:39:36.260 do you put the idea of accounts saying when people are being abducted or experiencing sleep

01:39:43.200 paralysis, the name of Jesus Christ breaks that occurrence from happening?

01:39:48.800 I would never discount that.

01:39:51.780 And I would never accuse somebody of lying.

01:39:57.060 They tell me that that has happened.

01:40:00.160 However, the problem is that we have a lot of data from abductees accrued over decades

01:40:07.700 by competent researchers.

01:40:09.880 And within this body of data, there are many, many, many accounts.

01:40:13.760 I shouldn't say many, many, many.

01:40:14.880 There are numerous accounts in which Christians are enthusiastically rebuking their abductees,

01:40:26.380 abductors, rather, in the name of Jesus to no effect.

01:40:30.160 And in fact, there are some very interesting scenarios in which one case, for example, I

01:40:36.340 believe this is in the work of Carla Turner, the late Dr. Carla Turner, in which an individual

01:40:43.340 is rebuking the abductors in the name of Jesus vociferously, enthusiastically, and the

01:40:49.420 grays simply disappear for a minute and come back with Jesus.

01:40:51.940 And Jesus says, that's okay, they're with me.

01:40:57.000 Obviously, not Christ, but in other words, they saw that the abductee was distraught,

01:41:07.900 was rebuking them in the name of Jesus.

01:41:09.340 So they wanted to diffuse this abductee's panic and fear.

01:41:14.500 And so they bring in a Jesus-like figure, probably a hybrid that with, and I believe this figure

01:41:22.880 had blonde hair and a beard and bright blue eyes and was comforting this abductee saying,

01:41:30.820 no, it's okay.

01:41:32.220 They're with me.

01:41:33.200 They're not here to harm you.

01:41:34.840 They work for me, that sort of thing.

01:41:36.580 So there's all kinds of stuff like that.

01:41:38.140 And I'm not saying that was Jesus, I'm saying that was a deception.

01:41:44.280 Even from one of our members, I believe, stories similar to that, where they will have,

01:41:49.620 it almost seems like it's within the rules for them to replicate or deceive, just so long

01:41:55.400 as they can get the consent to do so.

01:41:58.140 Well, I've got, you know, so that's what I told you there, and there may be something

01:42:01.620 to what you just said, but there's, what I just cited is stuff that is a particular story

01:42:07.140 that comes out of the data, that comes out of the abduction material.

01:42:12.820 But then, then I also have plenty of people who I know personally, people who I can attest

01:42:19.140 to that are genuine, sincere believers in Christ who are abductees and who rebuke and so forth

01:42:28.080 and to no avail to get abducted.

01:42:31.800 But here's the main thing, okay?

01:42:34.080 And this is what people, this gets lost in the conversation.

01:42:37.140 Most abductees are already incapacitated before the greys arrive. 0.89

01:42:41.660 You don't even have an opportunity to rebuke.

01:42:44.500 You're already incapacitated.

01:42:46.440 In most cases, in fact.

01:42:48.700 The greys are going to come abduct you in most cases, not always, but in most cases, before

01:42:53.440 they arrive, you're out of it.

01:42:55.840 You're already ready to go, so to speak.

01:42:58.820 They come and they collect you.

01:43:00.100 They've already incapacitated you, most likely through the implants.

01:43:04.140 So, this notion that the greys show up and you have all this energy to be able to, you

01:43:10.020 know, rebuke and this and that and speak.

01:43:11.600 Sorry, wait a second.

01:43:12.460 You just...

01:43:12.940 Most likely through the implants?

01:43:15.940 Just gloss over that.

01:43:17.060 What are you saying?

01:43:18.080 The implants, the greys implant the abductees with very small, about the size of a pill, 0.99

01:43:25.200 technological device.

01:43:26.500 And I think that part of...

01:43:28.300 It could have many functions, but one of the most obvious functions would be to control

01:43:32.940 the nervous system and other functions of the human body and mind and to render the

01:43:38.720 abductee in a state of compliance, right?

01:43:47.420 Or incapacitation.

01:43:49.820 In other words, you show up, the greys show up, and the abductee is just out of it, ready

01:43:55.640 to go.

01:43:56.340 And they come and collect the abductee.

01:43:57.740 And that's not always the case.

01:43:59.240 And it depends, by the way, the proximity of the craft has a lot to do with this.

01:44:05.800 So, can we hold that thought for a minute?

01:44:09.140 Can I take a one-minute break here?

01:44:10.640 All right.

01:44:10.960 Absolutely.

01:44:11.660 Talk amongst yourselves.

01:44:13.740 All right.

01:44:14.520 This would be a good time to toss up our ad.

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01:45:53.000 And you know what, Jacob, I will say you're correct, but we're not sub-100.

01:46:00.380 We have over 100 on Rumble and from Twitter, the total count probably, total count right

01:46:06.060 now is 500-something, whatever.

01:46:08.460 So it's spread out among a couple of places.

01:46:11.460 Mr. Albarino's back.

01:46:13.000 I'm back.

01:46:13.480 Smooth transition.

01:46:15.640 That was perfect timing.

01:46:16.620 We had the opportunity to run an ad.

01:46:18.640 And so what were we talking about before we dismounted here?

01:46:21.740 We were into...

01:46:23.480 I think we were talking about rebuking aliens in the name of Jesus.

01:46:27.660 I think that's what we're talking about.

01:46:29.040 The question I had here.

01:46:30.220 So what do you, in your opinion, what is their intention?

01:46:33.620 Because every time I look at it, it does seem malicious in some sort of way.

01:46:37.720 Like being abducted in general is malicious.

01:46:40.500 It kind of goes against...

01:46:42.040 It's kidnapping.

01:46:43.280 It goes against our code of ethics.

01:46:44.340 So what are these things doing, in your opinion?

01:46:46.700 Well, I would subscribe to Dr. Jacob's final analysis, which is planetary acquisition.

01:46:52.980 I believe that the Greys are interested in planetary acquisition.

01:46:56.920 And that is their ultimate goal.

01:47:01.360 And I always liken them to the antithesis of the Borg from Star Trek.

01:47:05.600 So in other words, the opposite of the Borg.

01:47:07.400 And if the Trekkies out there will understand what I'm saying,

01:47:10.020 they were cyborgs and they would subdue and assimilate other civilizations into their own collective.

01:47:26.580 So they would take all of the civilizational knowledge and technology

01:47:29.620 and incorporate it into their cyborg collective and do so overtly.

01:47:36.040 A hostile, overt takeover.

01:47:38.160 Well, the Greys are the opposite of that.

01:47:41.360 The Greys do the very opposite.

01:47:42.700 The Greys assimilate themselves into your civilization and take over in a subversive way, a covert way. 0.95

01:47:51.600 And when I say assimilate themselves into your civilization, also they assimilate themselves into your genome. 0.92

01:47:59.000 So they create hybrids that are advanced hybrids that are nearly indistinguishable from regular human beings. 0.97

01:48:08.720 And for what purpose?

01:48:10.560 I mean, we could speculate maybe some of the why they might do this, many different reasons.

01:48:23.080 But ultimately, ultimately, I think the overarching objective here is planetary acquisition.

01:48:28.680 So, and that is the Greys.

01:48:32.740 It does overlap with, I mean, what were the intentions of the fallen, of the original watchers when they intermingle with men?

01:48:41.440 It was to taint a gene pool. 0.57

01:48:44.320 It was for dominion over Earth to take our birthright.

01:48:46.760 Like these motives seem to overlap.

01:48:49.200 Would you consider current aliens, extraterrestrials to be some sort of Nephilim?

01:48:55.360 No, I don't think so.

01:48:59.380 No, because, I mean, that's kind of an interesting question, but...

01:49:03.840 It's a loaded question.

01:49:04.860 I'm sorry, I'll be back one second.

01:49:08.460 I can say that with confidence that aliens, the Greys, let's be specific.

01:49:13.920 So the Greys, so when I say aliens, I'm talking about the Greys.

01:49:18.560 Aliens are not demons.

01:49:20.580 That is a false equivalency.

01:49:23.900 They are not demons.

01:49:26.620 And the reason why people get all up in arms about that statement is because they have a westernized perspective of what a demon is.

01:49:34.400 And it's very ambiguous.

01:49:37.540 It's an amorphous thing, evil, malevolent, grotesque creature.

01:49:44.580 That's what it means in the Western Christian mind. 0.83

01:49:48.040 But that's invented.

01:49:49.240 That is the product of medieval Christianity. 0.77

01:49:54.500 If you're going to, in your statement, aliens are demons.

01:49:59.380 If what you mean by demons is the biblical sense of demon, then you're only talking about the disembodied spirits of dead giants.

01:50:11.320 The spirits of the Nephilim, which are the unclean spirits in the New Testament. 0.89

01:50:15.440 That's it.

01:50:16.460 And those are the inhabiting spirits.

01:50:18.500 Those are the possessing spirits.

01:50:22.060 And we know how those spirits manifest in the world.

01:50:24.600 We know.

01:50:25.480 When those spirits inhabit somebody, that person is lost to madness.

01:50:31.020 They have epilocy, epilocy, how do you say that?

01:50:36.100 They're throwing themselves in the New Testament of the fire, rolling around, foaming from the mouth, screaming, breaking chains. 0.97

01:50:42.620 These are unhinged.

01:50:45.460 These individuals are unhinged when they're inhabited by these demons.

01:50:48.820 And so, you know, all you have to really do is analyze the disposition of the gray alien over and against the disposition of an unclean spirit in the New Testament.

01:50:59.120 And you tell me, do these things look similar?

01:51:02.840 And the answer is no.

01:51:03.900 They couldn't be more dissimilar.

01:51:06.200 However, gray aliens are dispassionate and robotic and very, very much controlled beings who do not display. 0.83

01:51:21.200 They're not emotive.

01:51:22.300 They don't display emotion.

01:51:24.500 On the other hand, you have unclean spirits in the New Testament, demons, which are, as I said, unhinged and ravenous and screaming and writhing.

01:51:32.920 And people say, well, the gray aliens are the meat suits for the demons.

01:51:38.020 But that doesn't make any sense either because you're dealing with the same problem.

01:51:41.540 Why would these unclean spirits manifest in one way a human being and in a completely opposite way in a gray alien?

01:51:48.400 Somebody explain that to me.

01:51:50.080 Look, if you're going to concoct a theory, fine.

01:51:53.860 But the theory's got to be rational.

01:51:56.780 I mean, it's got to be.

01:51:58.600 It would be because if these were to be sort of a biotech meat suit, that they are limited in their capacity for expression in comparison to God's creation.

01:52:14.600 Why?

01:52:16.240 And number one, why?

01:52:17.280 Number two, why do they want to be in there?

01:52:19.740 I don't think they do.

01:52:21.080 Why would they want to be in there? 0.99

01:52:22.280 The gray aliens don't even have sexual organs. 1.00

01:52:23.960 The theory would go that they are, I suppose, entrapped in this realm, right?

01:52:32.240 Tartarus.

01:52:33.280 And that they cannot, almost like Al Capone controlling the mob from prison, where he can't be on the outside, but he can still kind of pull the strings.

01:52:44.780 And so the idea is that.

01:52:45.820 Who's Al Capone in this scenario?

01:52:47.080 Al Capone, I suppose, would be like the fallen, right?

01:52:50.980 And so that through some technological means, no, like the fallen that are locked in Tartarus.

01:52:56.400 Okay, so the watchers.

01:52:58.000 Yeah, the watchers, I'm sorry.

01:52:59.660 And so the idea would be that they can enter this realm through some limited technological means outside of just inhabiting a person, possessing a person, that they can, I suppose, get here through technology, right?

01:53:15.980 And sometimes Top and I talk about how it seems as though, if you go back through history, there are always these moments where society is pushed forward a little bit through some sort of technological advancement.

01:53:29.700 And that oftentimes it comes in the form of like some lowercase g god teaching you agriculture, teaching a people agriculture, or, you know, fast forward to the Roswell crash, whether or not, like Top alluded to earlier, that was on purpose or not, isn't really the point.

01:53:48.240 The point is we recovered some technology from that, and that maybe that technology informs the technology that we use today.

01:53:55.240 And so if you're going, this is obviously theory, right?

01:54:00.220 We have no tangible evidence to support this theory, but the idea is that maybe there has always been a push to get society to a technological level advanced enough that something on the other side of the veil could utilize this technology.

01:54:15.120 You know, you look at situations like Stargates, and I know I'm dragging you into the weeds here and kind of unprovable jargon.

01:54:24.380 Welcome to the show, right?

01:54:25.580 I've been speculating myself, so.

01:54:27.820 I have a hard time putting, like, biblically, putting where these aliens would fall because they're certainly important in how the next couple of years are going to play out.

01:54:41.420 Like, there's just been too much, like, in the past hundred years, too much back and forth and, like, just dangling around this UFO, extraterrestrial, extradimensional.

01:54:52.200 It seems like we're being prepared for something.

01:54:55.220 Something's about to happen, and it seems big.

01:54:57.520 How vivid would your portrait of reality be if you were limited to three crayons?

01:55:15.520 To color in that reality.

01:55:23.900 Say you were coloring a portrait of reality, trying to be as accurate as possible, but you're limited to three, let's say, markers, three different colors.

01:55:35.040 Okay?

01:55:35.320 That's what we're dealing with right now.

01:55:36.860 So, we, the Christian community, because, and rightly so, we are based, we are anchored into the biblical narrative, we assume that everything that happens around us in the universe has a direct explanation inside of this text, the 66 books of the Bible.

01:56:04.860 So, every kind of being that one might encounter in the universe, therefore, would have to be an angel, a demon, a human, or God, basically.

01:56:21.120 Right?

01:56:21.820 And so, that's what I'm talking about.

01:56:23.020 So, you've got, like, four colors here that you can use to color in this portrait of reality.

01:56:28.560 And it's just woefully inaccurate.

01:56:33.840 So, we have this desire, and we feel that we are constrained to explain everything, all of reality, the compendium of reality, using four terms.

01:56:53.340 Let's, let's be more specific.

01:56:56.200 The compendium of all consciousness in the universe.

01:56:59.320 We feel constrained to describe all of it with four words.

01:57:02.960 Angel, demon, human, God.

01:57:05.920 And I'm saying that is woefully inaccurate.

01:57:09.540 I think we can, we can disabuse ourselves of this constraint.

01:57:15.800 We can take the word demon, and we can apply it accurately to where we see demons in the New Testament, the Old Testament, New Testament, really, and understand that that's a thing.

01:57:27.220 And then we can take this term angel, not fallen angel, by the way.

01:57:31.700 That's, I understand what the term means, but that's not a biblical term.

01:57:33.980 So, we take this term angel, or sons of God, and we can slot that over here where it's appropriate because we can understand it in regard to the biblical narrative.

01:57:44.560 God, obviously, that's an easy one, right?

01:57:47.120 And then human beings, that's easy too.

01:57:49.020 We can put all of those in their places and then allow for a whole panoply of other things to exist also.

01:58:01.260 And I think that we have to do that.

01:58:03.620 So, there is no reason in my mind, there's no rational, no justifiable rationale in my mind to associate a New Testament unclean spirit, which is a demon, with a gray alien.

01:58:22.420 I don't have to make that association.

01:58:24.040 I'm not compelled to make that association.

01:58:28.260 What is a gray alien?

01:58:29.620 A gray alien is a gray alien.

01:58:32.440 That's what it is.

01:58:34.240 Now, is it entirely biological?

01:58:37.160 Probably not.

01:58:38.060 Is it entirely mechanical or the product of artificial intelligence?

01:58:41.400 Probably not.

01:58:42.060 It's probably a composite.

01:58:44.860 I would say it's likely a composite.

01:58:46.760 It's some sort of a cybernetic biological creature.

01:58:52.020 Possibly, there's an AI hive mind there.

01:58:54.420 Maybe.

01:58:54.820 I don't know.

01:58:55.660 Nobody does.

01:58:56.760 It is physical.

01:58:57.600 Is it a meat suit?

01:59:00.520 Is it just a suit for something?

01:59:03.280 Well, I don't know.

01:59:05.360 Maybe.

01:59:06.000 But that's just, I mean, there's no way to answer that question definitively one way or another.

01:59:10.900 But what we can understand is the disposition of the gray.

01:59:17.520 What is it like?

01:59:18.720 What does it do? 1.00

01:59:20.460 Can you kill it? 0.95

01:59:22.040 So we can answer those three questions definitively. 1.00

01:59:26.880 It's dispassionate and robotic.

01:59:31.380 The grays are occupied, for the most part, with processing abductees. 1.00

01:59:38.160 And yes, you can kill them. 1.00

01:59:40.680 Now, are you going to be able to? 1.00

01:59:41.700 No.

01:59:42.480 But yes, you can, because they die.

01:59:44.620 So I have a friend who is an abductee who reached out and grabbed a gray by the neck and squeezed its neck to choke it. 0.98

01:59:52.740 But she went unconscious, which is always going to be the case.

01:59:56.080 But let's assume that maybe this gray, for whatever reason, could not incapacitate her.

02:00:01.800 Could she have choked that thing to death or snapped its neck? 0.99

02:00:04.600 I'm sure she could have. 0.56

02:00:06.240 So these are things we know.

02:00:11.320 And when I say we know, and I'm, of course, referencing the abduction material and people who are being abducted who continue to talk.

02:00:18.380 So it feels like, Tim, if we just turn this corner within the scientific community and we started dedicating resources to being able to resist the mechanism that they use to cast us into a hypnosis state or put us into a paralysis state, whatever it is, that we could head kick the little ones, leg kick the tall, skinny ones, and end this entire situation.

02:00:43.480 That if they just didn't have that one, because everything is like, they are weak and thin and frail.

02:00:50.820 And oftentimes when people come to, I've heard stories where they seem worried.

02:00:55.420 They seem frantic.

02:00:56.900 They want to make you go back to sleep.

02:01:01.020 Yes, there's historical accounts of that.

02:01:03.880 And then I've also heard several accounts of that from modern day abductees.

02:01:07.760 You could resolve this whole problem with the shotgun.

02:01:10.020 If you could, if you could, if you could interrupt their technology, if when they came to get you, rather than you being, which is almost always the case, incapacitated, laying on your bed, can't move.

02:01:22.480 Rather than that, they come in and you're.

02:01:24.260 I mean, if you, if you could, if you could interfere with the control mechanism problem is part of it is telepathic control, but, but, but let's say if you could interfere with this mechanism, because part of it, I think is, I think a big part of it.

02:01:40.320 The majority of the control mechanism is the implant, but also that there's telepathic control exerted on the abduct as well.

02:01:45.980 But let's say you were impervious to the telepathic control and you've been able to disrupt that technological interference. 0.80

02:01:52.700 You're going to, you could, you could, you could, you could dispatch with the greys, uh, until they deploy whatever technology they have from their craft and, you know, and incinerate you. 1.00

02:02:04.720 But you could, you could, you could blow the heads off of these things. 0.99

02:02:08.480 Yes. 0.98

02:02:09.260 Um, I have no doubt.

02:02:11.880 And now would they bleed red blood?

02:02:14.440 Probably not.

02:02:15.480 They're not, they're not like us in that sense.

02:02:19.280 Um, you know, so these are probably clones.

02:02:23.880 Okay.

02:02:24.540 So they're biological cybernetic clones and, and the real, I think organic creatures are the insectulins.

02:02:34.380 Those are probably organic ones.

02:02:36.280 Maybe those things bleed a little more like we do, but, um, and those are a little bit more formidable.

02:02:41.900 And like reptilians possibly, would you consider reptilians in the same category?

02:02:46.080 No, I think reptilians something else, but it's so crazy, dude.

02:02:49.740 It's like, cause you, I, you're right.

02:02:52.440 I want to put this in a nice little box, right?

02:02:54.340 I want to put them.

02:02:55.300 Okay.

02:02:55.500 These are demons.

02:02:56.340 We can deal with it now.

02:02:57.360 Let's move forward. 0.55

02:02:58.260 But I want to shotgun blast the box.

02:03:00.500 Can you put quantum physics in a nice little box?

02:03:03.060 No, exactly.

02:03:03.920 I mean, I don't know.

02:03:05.360 It depends on if you're looking on the box, looking in the box or not looking in the box.

02:03:09.140 What I'm saying is putting God in a box.

02:03:12.680 You absolutely cannot.

02:03:13.780 And you've kind of broken down that wall for us again.

02:03:16.600 Thank you for that.

02:03:18.080 Um, you just can't, there's just infinite possibilities of what is going on.

02:03:21.920 And it's way worse than we think.

02:03:23.920 My slogan is embrace the complexity.

02:03:26.500 Don't try and simplify it.

02:03:28.020 Don't be a reductionist.

02:03:29.200 Don't try and simplify it.

02:03:31.660 Don't, don't take these few words that you have at your disposal for the biblical narrative

02:03:35.980 and try to, and try to explain everything going on with them.

02:03:38.900 That's infantile.

02:03:40.340 And there's no, there's no, uh, commandment to do such a thing.

02:03:44.400 There's, there's no, um, there's, there's no reason why someone who subscribes to the gospel

02:03:51.860 of Christ should feel constrained to do such a thing.

02:03:54.320 Um, I certainly don't, a gray alien is a gray alien and, and why does it have to have anything

02:04:00.600 to do whatsoever with a demon?

02:04:02.020 Number one, or with watchers?

02:04:04.280 Number two, um, it, it, now can we understand, can we, can we make an evaluation in regard

02:04:12.200 to their, um, to their, let's say morality?

02:04:22.360 And that's probably not the best word that I'm looking for here, but, but yes, we can.

02:04:26.480 What they're doing is, what they're doing is nefarious.

02:04:30.240 Yeah.

02:04:30.760 And what they're doing, they're not asking our permission to do it.

02:04:34.800 I mean, not each individual abductee, they're not, um, apparently nothing they're doing

02:04:41.980 is beneficial to us.

02:04:43.720 Um, it's, it's invasive, it's intrusive.

02:04:47.220 There isn't, there aren't any real abductees, not contactees, abductees who want to be abducted

02:04:53.040 that I know of, or have ever heard of.

02:04:55.360 Um, you know, it's, it's people are being taken against their will.

02:05:00.180 And, and, and obviously this is nefarious, obviously this is an enemy, this is an enemy.

02:05:06.960 And, and, um, that's it.

02:05:11.720 I mean, there's not a whole lot more we can know than this is what they act like, this

02:05:17.280 is what they do.

02:05:18.500 And based on what they, what they act like, their disposition and what they do, we can,

02:05:23.400 we can make certain determinative, determinative, um, statements like they're physical and

02:05:31.120 they're nefarious.

02:05:33.680 And again, we're referencing specifically the grace.

02:05:36.700 Um, so they're deceptive.

02:05:38.560 Certainly they're deceptive.

02:05:40.240 Um, they, they create screen memories in the minds of the abductees.

02:05:44.600 So they can't remember the abduction episodes.

02:05:46.720 Uh, they, so they're screwing with your mind. 0.97

02:05:48.800 They're screwing their, they're, they're implanting their fetuses into the wombs of our females. 1.00

02:05:55.420 That's pretty dastardly. 0.98

02:05:57.420 If you ask me, that's, that's, that's, you know, that's pretty, uh, uh, cunning and, and

02:06:05.920 certainly, um, certainly infringes on any, any notion of human freedom.

02:06:12.380 And, and, you know, um, it's, it's contrary to our will, certainly.

02:06:19.400 So, um, it's not difficult to draw the, what I think is the obvious conclusion that the 1.00

02:06:24.100 greys are little evil bastards. 1.00

02:06:27.620 And, and, and, and I would say more, more specifically the insectilines are evil bastards 1.00

02:06:34.000 because the greys, I'm not sure if the greys are even conscious. 0.98

02:06:38.260 They may be, they very well, maybe, I don't know, but I, I'm pretty sure the insectilines

02:06:42.360 are.

02:06:43.080 So, um, for those who don't know, the insectilines are the managers of the abduction program.

02:06:48.700 If you're abducted, brought onto a craft, sometimes you'll encounter them, but they are the managers.

02:06:53.860 They're the ones controlling the greys. 0.62

02:06:55.680 Now, somebody controlling the insectilines, maybe, maybe, maybe the Nordics are, I don't

02:06:59.740 know.

02:07:00.480 But, um, uh, I think we're dealing with at least four kinds of beings, probably more, but

02:07:08.180 I, I think I can say pretty concretely that we're dealing with four.

02:07:11.020 And I was pleased that my friend, Richard Dolan actually has the same assessment.

02:07:16.120 Um, we're dealing with insectilines.

02:07:18.720 We're dealing with greys and the gray faction really does include the insectilines, but let's, 1.00

02:07:23.600 for the sake of, uh, clarity, the insectilines, the greys, the reptilians, and the Nordics.

02:07:30.880 And I happen to believe that the Nordics are the angelic race. 0.96

02:07:34.720 Could be wrong, but that's what I think.

02:07:36.640 So, um, uh, these things are very likely real.

02:07:43.240 The greys, it's a stone cold fact.

02:07:45.800 So if you think they're an angelic race, are you saying, uh, like what, what exactly does

02:07:51.560 that mean?

02:07:51.820 And, and then that, that also does that lend itself to these other things being possibly

02:07:56.740 like, like, like I was saying before, uh, influenced by something that's not angelic.

02:08:04.160 I'm not sure I followed the question.

02:08:05.840 If, so if, if one is an angelic race, what do you mean by that?

02:08:09.000 Well, uh, in my book, I've heard of these beings as the elder race.

02:08:14.120 In other words, they're older than the human species.

02:08:17.080 These would be the sons of God.

02:08:18.920 And, and if you read my book, you'll understand why I say this.

02:08:21.400 They look like us rather.

02:08:22.600 We look like them because we're sons of God as well.

02:08:25.800 We're supposed to be.

02:08:26.840 So we're, they were, they were part of the same family.

02:08:29.780 Now there are apostate sons, many apostate human sons, and certainly, uh, a lot of apostate 0.77

02:08:37.060 angelic sons.

02:08:39.000 Now, because I use the word angelic, I'm not, that doesn't mean ethereal.

02:08:43.620 So it's, um, uh, and people say, well, aren't they spiritual beings?

02:08:49.640 Yes, fine.

02:08:50.080 But what is spiritual?

02:08:51.820 Because spiritual is not supernatural, by the way.

02:08:54.460 Supernatural is a contrivance.

02:08:55.920 There is no such word in the Hebrew Bible or in the New Testament.

02:08:59.280 Doesn't exist.

02:09:00.120 Word supernatural is not a biblical term, much like fallen angel.

02:09:02.900 These are not biblical terms.

02:09:04.420 Now I get what people mean by both supernatural and fallen angel, but these are not biblical

02:09:08.900 terms.

02:09:10.020 Um, uh, supernatural means above or beyond nature.

02:09:13.980 And I don't think that, I don't think, I think there's one being who's above and beyond

02:09:17.960 nature and that's God.

02:09:19.400 Everything else is within the universe and has to abide by the laws, the same laws of physics

02:09:25.620 and is all connected synergistically.

02:09:29.380 That's Colossians 115, by the way.

02:09:31.960 So, um, so the, the, these are, these are a race of beings who exist in the, in the universe

02:09:41.120 who are not human, but are, are affiliated with the human race because they are members

02:09:46.580 of the family.

02:09:47.460 And what do I mean by that?

02:09:49.560 I mean, they're, they're members of the divine family.

02:09:54.180 This is a biblical concept.

02:09:55.920 They're called sons of God.

02:09:57.240 We're also called sons of God.

02:09:59.360 Um, we're given power to become sons of God.

02:10:01.840 According to Jesus, that's called the resurrection.

02:10:03.300 So we're, we're on the path to being returned to the father's house and becoming sons of God

02:10:09.520 of God again, like Adam was, um, and being reunited with our family, i.e.

02:10:13.920 our older siblings, our elder siblings, the elder race.

02:10:16.900 But that's not to say that all of these older siblings are good.

02:10:19.560 No, they're clearly not. 1.00

02:10:20.720 A lot of them are apostate, just like a lot of human beings are trash. 1.00

02:10:25.220 Okay. 1.00

02:10:25.760 And apostate and evil. 0.85

02:10:27.740 So, um, uh, this is, I, I, when you, there are some very,

02:10:33.300 very unhelpful terms, I think that have, you know, cause a lot of confusion.

02:10:38.940 And, and, and one of those terms is supernatural.

02:10:41.260 I don't, uh, I don't, I don't take issue if people use the term supernatural because I know

02:10:45.620 what they mean, but I think that word is, uh, engenders a lot more confusion than it does,

02:10:50.940 um, clarity.

02:10:52.640 So don't misunderstand me when I say an angelic race, I'm not talking about some ethereal,

02:10:59.500 supernatural genie thing.

02:11:01.220 I'm talking about a race, a bonafide race of beings who pre-exist us and who have, and

02:11:11.240 who hail from a civilization that is much more advanced than ours.

02:11:14.600 Indeed, I would say this is the kingdom of heaven.

02:11:17.880 So, um, they're in play and have been in play since the beginning.

02:11:22.520 That's why the premise of ancient, ancient aliens is in fact accurate.

02:11:25.360 So they're in play.

02:11:28.080 There's no question.

02:11:28.920 If you subscribe to the Bible, then you know, they're in play.

02:11:31.940 Um, the greys, the reptilians, insectilines.

02:11:36.820 I think the evidence is very, uh, is overwhelming really in regard to the existence of the greys.

02:11:43.840 In regard to the existence of the reptilians, not so much.

02:11:46.460 Although, I do subscribe to the notion that such a race exists.

02:11:51.740 Now, where are they from?

02:11:52.860 Are they extraterrestrial or are they, are they a primordial, uh, terrestrial race?

02:12:02.520 That's been here always.

02:12:04.100 These, these, these reptilians.

02:12:05.940 I don't know.

02:12:06.860 I suspect that that might be true.

02:12:08.400 So, um, you know, it's complex and, and it's like, there's no way you can really simplify something so complex.

02:12:16.540 You just have to deal with it and embrace the complexity.

02:12:20.240 Um, and then, you know, stop trying to, stop limiting yourself to three markers, three crayons, uh, when, when attempting to color in the contours of reality.

02:12:36.080 Excellent.

02:12:36.600 Excellent.

02:12:37.400 Absolutely.

02:12:38.600 Excellent.

02:12:39.420 I love, I like, I like doing our show where we can go off the rails, but I like it even more when somebody can come on and really, uh, you know, give me something that's going, that I'm going to think about for the next week, probably a month or so.

02:12:51.640 And really chew on this.

02:12:53.340 Thank you for, thanks for doing that, man.

02:12:56.440 And, uh, thank you for coming on.

02:12:58.080 I think I want to respect your time again.

02:12:59.720 We said that like an hour and a half when we, before we started and we're like two 10, I hope you didn't have anything to do.

02:13:05.480 No, it was my own doing.

02:13:06.280 Um, and let me, let me, let me make it clear, by the way, that I do believe that, uh, I do believe that Nephilim are still around, uh, giants.

02:13:15.040 Uh, you mentioned earlier, uh, you mentioned earlier, the Kandahar giant story.

02:13:18.840 I'm telling you that's, that, that story is a hundred percent true.

02:13:22.280 Um, uh, or at least, at least the, the, uh, um, the elements of that story are a hundred percent true.

02:13:31.320 Let's say, uh, I, so I do believe that Nephilim are still around. 0.83

02:13:34.540 It's not that I don't, that I don't believe in Nephilim. 0.59

02:13:36.640 And I do believe that, uh, that the unclean spirits, the, the, the, the, these, the spirits of dead Nephilim are still around and still demon possession is, is actually real. 0.56

02:13:47.920 Although I don't think it occurs as much as people think, but, but, cause there's a limited amount of these things.

02:13:52.920 So, um, yes, all of that's real.

02:13:56.000 So I'm not saying, no, that's not really real.

02:13:57.780 And only aliens are real.

02:13:59.200 No, no, no.

02:13:59.480 That's not what I'm saying at all.

02:14:00.580 Those things are real and they have their place in their category.

02:14:03.760 There's no reason to assume that these other things are even directly associated with those.

02:14:10.000 Might they be?

02:14:10.880 Maybe, maybe.

02:14:12.000 I haven't heard any compelling theories though.

02:14:13.980 Um, however, again, to just highlight this last thing, I do believe now, if you want to say, are aliens fallen angels?

02:14:23.700 Now that's an interesting question.

02:14:25.500 That's different than the question.

02:14:27.460 Are, are, aren't angel, aren't aliens just demons?

02:14:30.700 That, that's an irrational.

02:14:33.240 That's not the question I would, I would pose.

02:14:36.000 It would, it would be more, are aliens, uh, Nephilim being product of the product of fallen angels and something else?

02:14:42.740 Yeah, a product.

02:14:43.280 Well, I mean, so, so, so this is part of this, what I was about to say.

02:14:48.720 So, so are, uh, what, some of what we're calling aliens and extraterrestrials are those quote unquote fallen angels?

02:14:57.800 I think the answer to that question is absolutely yes.

02:15:00.580 Not the greys though. 0.97

02:15:02.540 Are the greys created by, manufactured by the quote unquote fallen angels? 0.88

02:15:08.500 Very possibly.

02:15:09.600 Very possibly.

02:15:10.260 Um, uh, are the insectilines the fallen angels?

02:15:15.660 No.

02:15:17.120 No.

02:15:18.180 That's something else.

02:15:19.140 Are they created or controlled by quote unquote?

02:15:22.220 I hate the term fallen angels, but I'm using it for clarity's sake.

02:15:25.640 Are they controlled by or created by the fallen angels?

02:15:29.240 Potentially.

02:15:30.680 Uh, uh, that's absolutely a plausible theory.

02:15:33.460 Um, and, uh, and I think there may be some truth there.

02:15:36.920 Uh, I don't know, but, but so, so hopefully this, this is, um, making sense to people.

02:15:43.960 I just don't think that aliens are demons in the biblical sense.

02:15:47.680 It doesn't make any sense.

02:15:49.340 It's important.

02:15:50.160 And again, uh, so the last sentence that you said there, we, we, this is what we've been

02:15:56.400 talking about.

02:15:56.820 We completely agree. 0.96

02:15:57.680 The only thing that we've been doing is explaining it like a bunch of retards. 1.00

02:16:00.600 Um, it's, it's important to differentiate because it's true.

02:16:04.440 Like if we, if we're going to be battling what certainly is an enemy, like a bunch of 0.93

02:16:10.860 retards. 1.00

02:16:11.300 I mean, uh, that's what I specialize in. 0.92

02:16:15.260 I mean, you got no idea, Tim.

02:16:17.220 It's kind of our thing.

02:16:19.600 Now people are going to, they're going to discount everything we said and just fixate on the fact

02:16:23.400 that we use the term retard. 0.96

02:16:25.040 No, the discount.

02:16:25.940 Discount everything I said, not Tim.

02:16:27.720 But if you're going to, like I said, like you were saying, they're certainly an enemy

02:16:32.200 and, or an adversary.

02:16:33.540 It should, we should be specific about what they are.

02:16:36.920 If there indeed is some kind of a culmination coming to a head or a battle or something with

02:16:42.640 them, mixing them up doesn't really help being specific about what they are, what they do,

02:16:48.180 their intentions, their motives.

02:16:49.620 They're very, they're all very different.

02:16:51.180 So yeah, we should for the listener base, take that into account.

02:16:55.420 Swallow your ego or whatever you were thinking before, take into account what he's saying.

02:16:59.220 There's a lot of things out there, you know, Bigfoot's out there somewhere.

02:17:03.120 So, um, you know, I mean, we're, we're not, we're not the only players in the game.

02:17:10.860 Okay.

02:17:11.260 We're not the only conscious beings in the universe.

02:17:13.920 That doesn't change the narrative of, of the Bible.

02:17:17.540 It, and it absolutely does not change or alter the gospel of Christ at all.

02:17:21.980 And for some reason, people think, think it does.

02:17:24.500 It does not at all.

02:17:26.440 Uh, I mean, there's something called sons of God, angels that doesn't change the gospel.

02:17:32.420 They're non-human, extraterrestrial sentient beings.

02:17:35.980 Full stop.

02:17:36.980 They are, there's no, no one could, I don't care who you are, how many letters you have in

02:17:42.640 front of your name, there's no getting around the fact that angels in the biblical sense

02:17:49.380 are extraterrestrial.

02:17:51.740 That is a, that is a fact.

02:17:54.540 So, um, and I think, uh, I think, you know, put a little bit of thought into it.

02:18:01.140 Most people would, would, would agree.

02:18:02.960 Obviously that that's the case.

02:18:04.220 Um, angels were not created on planet earth and, and anyone who thinks they were is just,

02:18:11.720 I don't know where they, I don't know where they would, uh, where they would draw that from.

02:18:17.520 That, that, that, that, that, that would be a very, um, that would be a very extra biblical

02:18:23.800 conclusion, certainly to think that angels derive or, or were our earth-born creatures.

02:18:33.580 They clearly are not, right?

02:18:36.280 So, um, there it is.

02:18:38.700 I mean, that's, that class of, of beings breaks that paradigm immediately.

02:18:44.720 So if you, people who say, well, wait a minute, if aliens exist, then what about this?

02:18:50.100 Or what about that?

02:18:51.020 Well, you already have that problem with angels.

02:18:54.880 You already have it.

02:18:57.380 Alien, the existence of other beings doesn't, doesn't, um,

02:19:02.560 is not a new problem.

02:19:06.400 You already have that problem with the angelic race. 0.56

02:19:10.100 So, and it's very clear that, uh, um, that Jesus did not die for the angels.

02:19:16.900 He died for the human species, for the sons and daughters of Adam. 0.99

02:19:19.440 So, um, that, that's a imagined obstacle here.

02:19:24.780 And even the Catholic Church is, is, uh, wrestling with, with this imagined obstacle.

02:19:31.640 It's, it's, it's, it's irrelevant, really, because the, the, we've, we've been, we've

02:19:37.120 been unintentionally, unconsciously grappling with this very same problem for many centuries.

02:19:44.100 There are other extraterrestrial sentient beings in the universe, period.

02:19:50.160 There are.

02:19:51.520 We, no one, no, no, no Bible literate Christian could ever, ever, um, contend with that statement.

02:20:00.380 And to further your point, uh, I, like, like you said, it doesn't weaken the narrative of

02:20:04.840 the Bible.

02:20:05.140 I think it, it actually strengthens it because there is something about our birthright and

02:20:10.960 what we're given and what everything else in play here wants, because everything want,

02:20:15.720 everything that you've been describing seems to want one thing, the similar thing.

02:20:20.800 And it's been given to us and then even further consecrated, given to us even further by

02:20:27.480 sending his son to die for us.

02:20:28.860 So it's, it's, it's, it's a, man, a very interesting thing to really, I would encourage

02:20:35.820 people to read my book birthright.

02:20:37.460 If you're confused, if you're wondering, if you think I'm a heretic or whatever, go read

02:20:41.220 birthright.

02:20:41.860 I, I, I take great pains in that book to, um, to describe as, uh, as articulately as I possibly

02:20:53.760 can my thought process here.

02:20:56.300 And, um, I think, you know, for, for people who are confused, um, I think it would help

02:21:04.140 a lot if you really want to understand where I'm coming from here.

02:21:07.340 Cause I, I provide all of the, all of the, um, scriptural references and, and, uh, you'll

02:21:14.680 see, you'll see what I mean, which you can get on Amazon by the way.

02:21:19.560 Yeah.

02:21:19.760 I, we actually have your, uh, links in the, in the description for all the videos here.

02:21:25.380 So I have the book right here.

02:21:27.400 Uh, please go pick that up.

02:21:28.960 I, I, you're probably working on other stuff.

02:21:30.840 Tell the people where they could find you and anything else that you want to let them

02:21:34.420 know.

02:21:34.720 Um, I have a website, timothyalbrino.com, um, YouTube channel, timothyalbrino, um, Instagram

02:21:43.440 at timothyalbrino and x at timothyalbrino.

02:21:48.680 Those are the places you can find me.

02:21:52.380 Um, subscribe to my mailing list, my email list on my website.

02:21:57.180 I've got some stuff coming out soon.

02:21:59.020 Some, some new stuff.

02:21:59.880 I've been working on a lot of stuff and, uh, I've got some exciting projects that I'm, I'm

02:22:04.880 concluding and that are going to be released before long.

02:22:07.780 So, um, subscribing to my YouTube channel is also a great way to, uh, all of it, the social

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02:22:15.980 If you, if you want to follow me.

02:22:19.660 Absolutely.

02:22:20.220 Yeah, guys, please do.

02:22:21.540 I know I get a lot of, uh, I, I get a lot of worth out of following you.

02:22:26.460 And what you're doing, and I'm glad to see that you're like even more active on X.

02:22:29.720 I feel like that's where a lot of the new dialogue is going to be taking place.

02:22:33.860 Um, and again, thank you for coming and talking to us.

02:22:37.380 You probably shouldn't have, uh, I knew I liked you guys immediately when I saw your

02:22:43.060 intro.

02:22:44.200 Oh, hell yeah.

02:22:45.360 Yeah.

02:22:45.540 We like Vinny Padman, but we always, we always trick people on the way in.

02:22:49.640 Yeah.

02:22:50.820 No, it's my, it's my pleasure.

02:22:52.520 Uh, thanks for, for having me on.

02:22:54.880 At any time.

02:22:56.180 I mean, if you have anything new, hopefully we can grow the show to a point where it's

02:22:59.620 even more respectable for someone like you to come on and maybe we can introduce you to

02:23:03.880 people that don't know you for some reason that if they know us and not you.

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02:23:49.300 That's it.

02:23:49.720 Absolutely.

02:23:50.600 All right, guys.

02:23:51.320 Peace out.

02:23:52.060 All right, Joe.

02:23:52.440 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:23:58.280 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:24:02.040 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, you

02:24:07.260 don't.

02:24:07.480 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

02:24:14.140 happening.

02:24:15.000 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - March 19, 2024

034： Have the Nephilim Stolen our Birthright？ w⧸ Timothy Alberino

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