On this week's episode of The Nipsey Hussle, Topher, and the Death Squad, we have a special guest on the show to talk about the current state of the country, and why we should all wake up to a dead in the grave.
00:05:31.040He got mad at me because- so, here's what happened.
00:05:35.320It was supposed to be a discussion, and then the emails, because I was talking with his assistant, and then it eventually boiled down to this.
00:05:43.600Four hours away from doing the debate, well, debate, right?
00:05:48.840Because it wasn't called a debate until I happened to look at his thumbnail in big, bold letters.
00:05:52.860It said, debate with Izzy Centric, and I was like, what the hell?
00:06:14.080Well, that's what- so that's what I told the guy who was- who had apparently picked me.
00:06:20.100He was just looking for someone controversial, and it was really weird because, I mean, Bob Larson is the kind of guy- he's been around for a long time, and I actually gave Larson my phone number.
00:06:31.360We talked for like- well, it was almost 15 minutes, and Larson is one of the first things he said was, well, what's your deal?
00:06:45.340The debate was, I believe in reading the Book of Enoch, and he got pissed off about that apparently, and then I called him out in the phone call saying, well, you've got Alexander- well, I didn't say Alexander Pagani, but that's another one, and Isaiah Saldivar, the guy's in the deliverance ministry space.
00:07:03.200I don't know if you guys are familiar with him, but me and Isaiah are actually the same age.
00:07:08.720So I'm sitting- and I'm not part of the deliverance ministry space.
00:07:11.200I, you know, I'm a- I study demonology well on the other side in another corner.
00:07:14.660I don't believe in associating myself with a specific corner.
00:07:18.800I don't like getting into the nitty-gritty with, you know, I'm with this sect or that sect or whatever.
00:07:24.520Well, that sect, it seems, we talk about it on the show, that sect seems like people that kind of don't want to, don't want to explore what's actually going on.
00:07:36.100And as a, you know, as a Christian, before I kind of started learning about this stuff, you, you do feel a little bit disenfranchised because it's kind of like, you guys have this book here and these extra biblical books.
00:07:48.160And you kind of just don't want to look at any of this stuff.
00:08:12.240See, if to debate insinuates that you're both coming from like opposite ends of the spectrum and, and this is all brought together by an argument.
00:08:20.480And it's like, well, honestly, you probably agree on this.
00:09:21.480You know, what's really interesting about that?
00:09:23.240You can draw a, and this is probably as far as the correlation could be drawn, but I do recognize there's an interesting parallel between what people identify as the left versus what people identify as the right.
00:09:37.900And the reason I say that is because obviously there's a lot of nuances within these things.
00:09:43.040A lot of people on the left would say, we don't claim people who want to do drag queen story hour, right?
00:09:50.000But if you look at it, it's like they are a united front.
00:09:53.220And then the right is very busy nitpicking over, you know, various different things, um, uh, having to do with the Republican party.
00:10:01.300So it just seems like the left may have a bunch of different views.
00:10:04.920Are you comparing the left to literal demons and the right to the Christian body?
00:10:08.940I mean, in this particular case, it does draw an interesting parallel.
00:10:13.100So, well, that's actually, it does draw an interesting parallel because, you know, and I see, you see where Ben Shapiro, yeah, I'm bringing him in.
00:10:23.560He's brought in, he's tried to become like the face of the right with the daily wire.
00:10:31.220And then when he made that joke about Jesus Christ, and then he added to it by saying, don't nail me with the picture with Jesus hands up.
00:10:37.880I was like, well, he just, he just lost a lot of followers because a lot of, a lot of people that you don't even have to be Christian nationalists to appreciate some of the daily wire stuff.
00:10:46.380Hence why even Candace Owens was a part of them at one point.
00:10:49.160But then when it just started going off the hinges and it's just, I think people were forgetting over time that, um, Ben is not a Christian.
00:10:59.860So it seems, it seems worse than that though.
00:11:03.060Like, I mean, over the past year, it went from like, well, they're not Christians and they don't agree to agree with us to like, I feel like you openly hate us.
00:11:12.780Like you openly mock us and literally do hate Christians specifically.
00:11:18.460But like, I don't know, white people it's, it's for me, for somebody who is an online racist there, my perceived racism that's coming off of them makes me uncomfortable.
00:11:29.680I don't know if it makes you guys, cause it's like, damn, like, that's really how you feel?
00:11:38.520There definitely seems to be something.
00:11:40.320And I can't help but wonder, we talked about it on the last episode, no matter how much Candace Owens, who I tend to agree with, I enjoy her.
00:11:51.180Um, but it does feel like a character.
00:11:55.020And then recently she slipped in this whole like Christ consciousness thing where I'm like, all right, I don't know where we're going.
00:11:59.900But this whole thing feels like an orchestrated.
00:12:01.900And I want to get into, uh, the demonology because we did have an interesting episode with, uh, Tim Albarino, who we actually did kind of get in the weeds a little bit about the nature of, he's saying not everything is demons.
00:12:16.980Not everything is the fallen and I'm saying, yeah, there probably is a lot more nuance.
00:12:27.280You're actually the perfect follow-up guest to Timothy because we, it was a struggle session almost for like two hours where we're kind of like, we're kind of making jokes about the Nephilim.
00:12:37.880We're saying, um, well, the aliens might be, you know, the Nephilim.
00:12:42.460And he's kind of like going back and forth.
00:13:25.080Well, first of all, I have yet to bump into an angel slash alien, which I believe that.
00:13:31.340So, and I, I, I mix this up sometimes angel and alien.
00:13:35.340And the reason I do that, well, they both start with a, I don't know.
00:13:38.020I watched, I did one video on, on this topic and I've mixed them up ever since, but here's, here's where it gets really nuanced is that, um, just like there's a difference between fallen angels and demons, there's a difference between different types of aliens.
00:13:52.420And so you have the grays, which I put in their own category, and then the human looking ones that they call the Nordic aliens that I put in a separate category.
00:14:11.520This is where it gets weird because Paul himself, Apostle Paul himself goes as far as to say, be kind to strangers because you could be entertaining angels and not even know it.
00:14:22.860So we have these beings every day that walk right by us and you just, you don't know.
00:14:32.440And sometimes someone's discernment can kick off and that might not even be a Christian.
00:14:37.720It could just be someone, cause I mean, we're, we're all, we're all both flesh and spirit, right?
00:15:29.000So there's a condition now where people are seeing people in real life and their faces will, they're doing like a little, like we emoji person to describe what the other person's describing.
00:16:13.560So I want to go back to something that you just touched on.
00:16:17.060Um, you said that you put the grays in a separate category.
00:16:19.860This was sort of the, the budding of heads that, um, at least I felt that I was having with Alvarino, who is a wealth of knowledge, awesome guest, but is very much, you know, uh, I mean, he's done as much research as he has.
00:16:33.400And so I think he's very, not set in his ways, but he feels passionately about his positions.
00:16:38.060But what I was suggesting was, and I'd love to know your take on this, Izzy, um, these grays, do you subscribe to the idea that this is a sort of.
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01:02:53.240And in the center of it is this, so it's like a dude in the sense that it's got arms and legs and a head and all that shit.
01:03:07.520And it's kind of muscular, like enough that it was like, I remember looking at it and feeling intimidated just based off of the muscular structure of it.
01:03:16.340And it's skin had a sort of a print to it, like a cheetah print, like a gray, but a gray and black, not like a yellow and black, a gray and black cheetah print.
01:03:26.040And it had canine teeth on the bottom that were actually protruding and hugging its upper lip.
01:03:38.540And its eyes were like bright red, like, I always say like maraschino cherries, like that kind of a red, like illuminating red.
01:03:46.920And it was just breathing, like its chest was heaving up and down.
01:03:51.940It was taking these deep breaths, like it was filled with rage.
01:04:13.080Well, no, I wake up and everything is kind of normal.
01:04:16.600And then my wife wakes up and she tells me that she had a, a dream that she starts describing as sleep paralysis, but she doesn't really, she's never had sleep paralysis.
01:04:27.320I knew what it was, but she's like, I couldn't move.
01:04:29.180And I'm like stuck in the bed and I can only move my eyeballs.
01:04:33.680And when I look over towards you, there is this, you know, monster with black and gray skin and bright red eyes and giant teeth pushing you into the bed.
01:04:44.340It's sitting on your chest and it's pinning you into the bed and I can't wake up to, to save you from it.
01:06:22.440That was so it's interesting because when I met you, I really kind of was like, honestly, I was emboldened by my relationship with you to fully go in this direction.
01:06:31.400I was already putting my foot in this direction.
01:06:33.320But once I met you, it was like off to the races.
01:06:36.020But this happened and my my coming to God and fully realizing this, like I never denied Christ after that, but I was still slow to like enter this space.
01:06:46.120That happened in probably 2000 and that would have been 2020, just as as COVID hit.
01:07:10.600Ghosts are simply on a journey and they're not even they don't even belong here.
01:07:14.800If you see a ghost, it's either God granting someone passage to in order to give a message.
01:07:20.900My wife's grandmother, so my son's great grandmother, fended off some scary monster in my son's dream and she smiled and waved and then disappeared into a light.
01:07:37.320And my son, not understanding that she already died weeks before, started screaming, Gigi is gone, Gigi is gone, Gigi is gone.
01:07:47.280But he was mostly not he wasn't all the way nonverbal, but but he was coming out of being nonverbal.
01:07:53.540So ghosts do cross through through our world, but they don't belong here.
01:07:59.280So, and, you know, if Satan can marvel as an angel of light, if he can transform into an angel of light, right, then it makes you wonder what can dead Nephilim do?
01:08:22.120Doesn't mean that ghosts are automatically demons every single time you bump into one.
01:08:25.580And that's why it's important to have someone with authority, which is any Christian, any spirit filled believer can test the spirit to see whether it's from God.
01:08:33.520That's first John four, one through three.
01:08:44.500I had something similar in 2018 and my wife had asked her projected not that I knew she could do that yet.
01:08:49.880I just met her, but I woke up with with the bed shaking and feeling like something was following me around.
01:08:56.140And I also woke up with the thought in my head that my wife was next to me because she used to stay the night with me and then we would kind of fool around and then go to bed.
01:09:03.700So I swore I woke up like I was waking up like, oh, no, she's next to me.
01:09:22.800I'm actually in right now and floating towards me.
01:09:24.700This black mass, tall, big headed figure was just floating towards me and she was shaking me while on top of me violently because it was ignoring her and going to me.
01:09:36.360So I woke up feeling I was in a pitch dark room and I was scared.
01:10:06.620Like it fed off me until it developed enough strength to do what I think was actually sort of a diminishment or not a diminishment.
01:10:15.900But it was it gained enough strength to show itself.
01:10:19.820And then that backfired on it because as soon as it showed itself and I knew that it was real, it immediately screwed the whole thing up for it.
01:10:26.380Because after that, I was like, if this is real, yes, if this is real, then then God is real.
01:10:32.500And and Jesus Christ is, you know, he needs to save me.
01:10:36.740OK, and that right there is exactly why demons don't like showing themselves because they know that they they give themselves away.
01:10:45.440They give away the entire plot to the to the story.
01:10:48.040Yeah, so they do their damnedest not to show themselves in front of intellectuals, especially if you are a critical thinker, a demon will do everything it can to poke at you from the shadows and not reveal its ugly face.
01:11:11.820And after this, Izzy, I'd love to get into sort of like I don't know how much you can for us, but to discuss the variation in some of these entities from one thing to another and what the what the difference is.
01:11:26.220But top, I don't know if you remember that story on Tony Merkel's show.
01:11:32.360Now, guys, I would highly recommend this is actually a very disturbing episode going and finding this episode of the confessionals with Tony Merkel.
01:11:42.120Basically, this woman whose grandmother had passed away was having an experience where she was seeing her pretty regularly, I want to say.
01:11:54.360And what this ends up in is this scenario where one day she is underneath her dresser, oddly enough, and she gets out of bed and approaches the dresser.
01:12:05.760And it reminds me of of the film it where Georgie reaches his hand into the sewers and the clown grabs his hand.
01:12:15.280Well, she noted that as she's talking to her grandmother, who's beneath the dresser, who several times in previous appearances has convinced her that she is her grandmother.
01:12:25.180All of a sudden starts to display this like freakishly wide smile, which is interesting, right?
01:12:35.380Because the Nephilim were said to have had like very wide.
01:12:38.320If you look at like Attack on Titan, even they kind of play off this where like they have these freakishly wide smiles.
01:12:46.620And I think what ends up happening is she does touch her grandmother's hand and it is just not right.
01:12:54.940There's something longer and creepier about it.
01:12:57.400And then, unfortunately, this woman ends up getting dragged down the hallway in a perpetual loop as one tends to sometimes get caught in a loop of a dream where you think you're awake and you're not.
01:13:08.620And then you think you finally woke up and you haven't.
01:13:49.800You know, actually, that's that's the only difference, I believe.
01:13:53.600I believe that demons have no light in them whatsoever, which is why they give off that feeling of death, fear, destruction, because that is what they are.
01:14:04.100And then angels, they had a light when they were created.
01:14:07.640Why would the light go away and then develop horns and a tail?
01:14:10.500They're not a Disney villain, for God's sakes.
01:14:18.980How would you account for like the the UFO phenomena where they'll say they'll see they see orbs like throughout a field, these kind of like glowing light balls or something like that?
01:14:30.480OK, so orbs is orbs are also in the ghost hunting field, too.
01:14:36.780And sometimes they're just dust particles.
01:14:56.940But when it comes to the demonic, there's just nothing good that feels that you can feel from a demon.
01:15:02.780And if if if you had a battle with some other group of people and you and you really wanted to make sure that you got in there and infiltrated, you would probably bring a parent if you could.
01:15:16.960If you felt you could be outnumbered, maybe you'd bring a parent or a handful of your friends plus a parent and an elder.
01:15:23.420OK, so you think about if fallen angels, but select handful of fallen angels are the fathers of these these black masses, these parasites.
01:15:37.820Then what better than to bring in this thing of light that causes everyone to look at it?
01:15:46.240And then the darkness creeps in from the other side.
01:15:50.460There was a woman that was making love to something that she said was full of light and it felt good.
01:15:54.940And then one day and I wish I could tell you guys her name because it was just a random story I heard, but she didn't see it.
01:16:19.180It was like the exact opposite, literally the exact opposite.
01:16:23.040So that's really interesting because two different feelings completely.
01:16:29.160All of these abduction experiencers, I've had experiences of sleep paralysis where it was accompanied by the presence of a shadow and also the presence of like an inexplicably bright white light and so bright that it didn't make sense.
01:16:43.820And my grandmother, who was an abductee victim since childhood, would often describe an appearance of a bright white light in her window.
01:16:53.140And then when she would finally be able to call for help, the light would go away before anybody, you know, when her mother came into the room to say, what are you yelling about?
01:17:01.780And also she had the like stereotypical black shadow entities in her room.
01:17:11.040And this is something that's like integral to the abduction experience, which my thoughts on the abduction experience, especially over the past few years, is that these things are intrinsically tied to this spiritual warfare that we're engaged in.
01:17:26.100They're intrinsically tied into the fallen, into the nephilim, whether or not grays are X, Y, and Z, these things are all a product of and associated with one another.
01:17:39.200And so I never thought about that bright white light being, because I remember with me, it came out of a place where like I knew that I know there was no light.
01:17:49.240You know what I mean? Like there was no light fixture in this closet where it was coming from, and it was so bright that it didn't even make sense.
01:17:56.200I had a dream recently. This actually came up because twice for the first time in my life, but twice in the past month and a half, I've like rebuked something in my dreams, which doesn't typically happen.
01:18:09.520It's like sometimes I'll need to gain a certain amount of sentience or not sentience, but like wherewithal I'll need to realize that I'm in a dream to a degree for me to be able to like pray to Christ to, you know, free me of a paralysis or whatever.
01:18:28.400I'm in the presence of some like light being, and I end up praying.
01:18:35.760And the reason I say that I wasn't aware is because you know how like when you retell a dream, it's like you're an observer.
01:18:44.900Not much of a participant, but it's like, yeah, then I did this and then I did that.
01:18:48.720And it's like, I didn't actively do that. These are just the things that happened in the dream.
01:18:52.180I was like observing it. This is very much like that. I didn't actively start calling on the name of Christ.
01:18:57.520I just watched myself start calling on the name of Christ and I got free of the paralysis in the dream.
01:19:03.400And then I mocked this thing to his face relentlessly until it went away.
01:19:07.140But it was like a dude made of light. And so, you know, but these, these, this, you know,
01:19:14.800appearance of a bright white light in some form associated with paralysis associated with, you know, alien abductions is, is very common.
01:19:24.520And I never stopped to think about like, Oh, are they bringing, cause it's kind of a squad, right?
01:19:29.840It's like, well, you'll have the greys, you'll have the tall skinny greys.
01:19:32.120You'll often have the insectoids. You'll have, like you said earlier, these, these Nords.
01:19:36.580Um, you also might have a whole ass dude made of light, I guess.
01:20:10.540All right. Cool. Cool. Cause I can't see you right now. Um, let me see. Uh, I gotta get far enough to, yeah. So.
01:20:25.920Okay. Here we go. A word was secretly brought to me. My ears caught a whisper of it amid disquieting dreams in the night when deep sleep falls on people.
01:20:34.800We call that REM sleep. Fear and trembling seized me and made all of my bones shake. A spirit glided past my face and the hair on my body stood on end.
01:20:47.600It stopped, but I could not tell what it was. A form stood before my eyes and I heard a hushed voice. Can a mortal be more righteous than God? Can even a strong man be more pure than his maker?
01:21:02.040He goes, this, this thing goes on to appreciate Job for being such a good human. It's an angel and not even a fallen one. It's just an angel giving him sleep paralysis.
01:21:12.580Dude, that's crazy. Cause he's talking about his boat, like the vibration that's associated with this. These are things that I've experienced myself is the vibration, like this trembling. Number one, the, the, the trembling and the vibration is accompanied with a fear that is, doesn't even make sense functionally.
01:21:31.420It's a fear that does paralyze you or at least is accompanied with the paralysis, but like nothing I've ever experienced in my waking life has ever made me feel that sense of mortal dread.
01:21:43.220And then of course, yeah, this vibrating of your bones.
01:21:47.040And for, for anyone curious, for any viewer curious and you guys as well, that's Job chapter four. That is biblical. What I just read. I didn't change anything. I was reading it in the NIV, but like.
01:21:58.340Maybe that's why the angels, that's why the angels always say fear, not, not just cause they look like a bunch of eyes on a circle that's rotating or like a bunch of wings, you know, maybe.
01:22:09.700Yeah. They, they, in order to reach us, do they have to put you in a paralysis state like that?
01:22:15.760Or maybe it's actually a by-product of them entering the, cause you ever hear people that talk about like dimensionally it's like, well, you're taking a four dimensional or higher being and you're putting it into a three dimensional realm.
01:22:27.300Remember we spoke to somebody that said it would be like putting your finger into, um, like through a substrate and then having it pop up.
01:22:35.520Like if we were to show up in super Mario's world where it's two dimensional, well, I guess if you're old like us, but back in the day when it was two dimensional, it would all of a sudden just look like, like a point appeared or something like that.
01:22:47.820Or like a finger just appeared. You not see it coming. It would just suddenly manifest. Well, that's what you would see.
01:22:53.580But who the hell knows what you would feel if something suddenly just permeated the fabric of our reality, right?
01:22:59.720Would it come with, uh, you know, with those, those globes that have electricity in them.
01:23:05.160And if you touch them, all the electricity goes to your hand. Well, it's like just putting your hand on that.
01:23:09.560If something lived in that, you would totally disrupt the natural thing that's happening all the time.
01:23:13.980So maybe by just appearing here, there's a noise that's associated with that.
01:23:20.000It's like the tearing of our fabric, you know, and maybe there's like a vibration that just permeates everything, including our own bones and cellular structure.
01:23:29.120And then maybe that feels a lot like death.
01:23:33.000I mean, you're talking about the flesh here. The flesh, you know, it's selfish. It's, it's not completely broken, but it's fractured.
01:23:38.640It's why I rebuke total depravity, by the way, you have to work your way to total depravity.
01:23:44.320You don't, you aren't just born a God hater, but, um, I don't want to get into that too much.
01:23:48.820Um, I, I really don't like Western theology for the most part.
01:23:53.180Um, but when it comes to the flesh, it can't comprehend the spirit.
01:23:59.560It's selfish in its own way. It wants what it wants. It's why we're always tempted to sin and tempt and test are actually two sides of the same coin.
01:24:08.380So you got the God testing you with every temptation and then the devil tempting you with every test.
01:24:13.520So like, you know, it's the whole thing, but when it comes to the flesh, trying to, trying to discern something, the flesh is going to suck at it.
01:24:21.460So it's just fight or flight. That's all your body's experiencing.
01:24:25.540Job here. I don't even know if he was asleep. Maybe, maybe the sleep paralysis came up on him while he was asleep.
01:24:31.580Um, maybe he was like about to fall asleep and then it hit him because I mean, people talk about that happening too.
01:24:37.740They get ready to go to sleep. Their body isn't moving anymore. And suddenly, oh God, I'm scared and I can't move.
01:24:43.800And that's kind of the way that some people talk about it happening in the day too.
01:24:47.280Like I've heard the occasional rarity, but like the reason I believe these people is because like we just described, sleep paralysis has like a set of attributes that are pretty common as a pattern from one through the other.
01:24:57.920And so people will describe it. It's like, yeah, I was just kind of hanging out in the middle of the day and all of a sudden, yeah, a creeping feel of fear snuck up on me and a vibration or an electric humming.
01:25:09.060And then boom, next thing you know, you're fully paralyzed.
01:25:12.600Yeah. Um, you guys, are you guys familiar with the silver cord with, um, astral projection?
01:25:19.700Well, you know, um, there is something in Ecclesiastes that talks about a silver cord. You guys aware of it?
01:25:30.120That's interesting because I have watched, uh, my favorite Disney movie growing up now, which now I rebuke both Disney and this movie, but my favorite movie growing up was, uh, was Hercules.
01:25:42.040I loved the Disney movie Hercules. In fact, it's, um, I, I kind of like named my, one of my first podcasts, uh, where I belong in homage, man, this is incredibly gay.
01:25:53.020And, oh my, I thought that that was a cool, I was like, that's a cool name. And now I'm thinking, oh, cause of the song. Oh, you know, the song, dude, that song slapped. All right.
01:26:07.980Now I have to, I rebuke my first, my, what was my second? I rebuke my second podcast. I rebuke Disney. Uh, I rebuke Hercules because I don't know that Hercules was a good Nephilim.
01:26:17.740I do believe that some Nephilim were good, but I don't know if Hercules was one of them. So until the jury's in on that, it's documented that Hercules would accidentally step on people and feel bad about it.
01:26:28.920So, all right. Well, Hey, sometimes I don't kill bugs. And when I do kill bugs, I'm like, damn it, dude, except for like mosquitoes. I don't give a shit about mosquitoes, but I do feel bad if I kill a spider. I'm like, damn, bro. I didn't know you were there.
01:26:39.960Right. But, um, you know, you also have the clash of the Titans that, um, that Greek mythology talks about, but in the book of Enoch, God says, I'll turn them against each other. And it's like, whoa, that's an overlap. And that's all, that's all demonology is 90% of it. I say is comparative mythology. Anybody can do that. They would be a demonologist. If they did that, you look at one myth, us, you compare it to the Bible.
01:27:02.960If you want to be a Christian demonologist. Anyway, you compare to myth, us, see how they compare. Then you compare it with the Bible, you know, and then you just kind of keep doing that until you're, until, you know, um, sticks in your head.
01:27:14.020Well, that's kind of what this show is about. Like I was going to say, we're like retarded demonologists.
01:27:19.180Yeah. Gary Wayne's entire book over there. Uh, he was on the show also, but that's, that's exactly what it is. I just wouldn't have thought to call myself a demon demonologist or aspiring one, but I suppose we're on that route.
01:27:29.960Well, well, you know, the, the body of Christ is made up of every single part, including the nether regions. And I believe, because it talks about, um, Paul, Paul briefly talks about, you know, if you're an eye, don't say to the hand, I have no need of you.
01:27:43.540Um, but I, I believe the demonologists are essentially the loins of the body. They can't just be open, you know, the body needs pants. So whether it, whether we're, you know, the cheeks, whether we're the loins, whatever the case may be, we are a covered part of the body. Um, that, uh, is meant to stay decent.
01:28:04.720I think you're a, I think that you're a more important part of the body than you think, especially in these times.
01:28:11.220That's okay. Actually now I, now I have to bring this up. Hold on. Um,
01:28:16.180Also now we've just totally let the chat know that I'm gay and retarded and it's just, it's over for me. It's over for me. That's the best song, by the way, of any Disney movie was where I belong. There should have been more stanzas. There should have been more verses because it's too short.
01:28:31.260Just to name your podcast after one like that. It's just, it wasn't like named after it, but it was like, that was my favorite movie coming up because I've always had this feeling of like, it's what drove me to, to do a show in the first place is like, I feel like I meant to do something was never able to shake that. And Hercules has that. It's why I also like Moana, right? Because Moana is being called to something, dude, but she doesn't know what she's being called to.
01:28:55.640The metaphorical shovel that you're digging in this hole. It's inescapable.
01:29:00.900I hate Moana and I get PTSD when I hear that ding and the stupid DVD intro to that stupid movie. My son watched it and I wanted to snap the DVD in half. Fun fact about Moana though.
01:29:15.280So I find it really interesting that Maui gets struck right in the forehead with a stone and that knocks him over.
01:29:23.060Immediately I was like, Hey, that's kind of like David with the sling.
01:29:27.100He is a Nephilim. He is a Nephilim. He's a demigod.
01:29:30.680Right. So guys, check this out. This is first, first Corinthians chapter 12.
01:29:34.580You had mentioned that demonologists are more important now than ever. And so where Paul says, if all were all one member, where would the body be? Right.
01:29:47.860And then I already said the part where, you know, if you say, if the head says to the feet, I have no need of you. Right.
01:29:52.940But then it says, no, much rather those members of the body, which seem to be weaker are necessary.
01:29:59.500And those members of the body, which we think to be less honorable on these, we bestow the greater honor and our unpresentable body parts have greater modesty, but our presentable parts have no need.
01:30:12.820But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that which lacks it.
01:30:17.820And there should be no schism in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another.
01:30:24.580I immediately think, okay, demonology, but you got to be covered. You can't just go spouting it anywhere and everywhere. Right.
01:30:34.480This is clear, concise. It's in a concentrated space. If a street preacher did what we did, he'd probably get his ass kicked, honestly.
01:30:42.000Yep. Demonology is the big dick of the body and you got to know when to whip it out. All right.
01:30:47.440That was inappropriate. I'm sorry. I can't help myself.
01:30:51.220I was going to say this show is very much like the balls or something.
01:30:54.860We're like, we're just constantly showing ourselves.
01:30:58.000And God's like, you're important, but please stop just whipping yourself out.
01:31:02.620Hey, it's one of those things where, because believe me, despite the occasional ass and whatever small little PG-13 curse words I've said on this podcast,
01:31:15.980God has really pulled me in to be much more careful with my tongue.
01:31:20.840And I think that's a fantastic example of, okay, greater modesty.
01:31:40.460You know, I feel like I have that calling all the time where I feel like God looks at me and he's like, dude, awesome, doing great, crushing.
01:31:51.320And then I'll just say something on the internet and God's like, whoa, what are you doing?
01:32:05.040Sometimes I say, God, this is how you made, like, whatever's going on in my brain, like you, you allowed the structure of my brain to be formatted this way.
01:33:38.060I don't like, and there's many others in the Deliverance Ministry space who still do that, where they will record it no matter what.
01:33:46.760And, like, it's not meant, and I know the defense on the other side, I know the pushback anyway, where it's like, okay, well, let me contend with, you know, the Gospels were written down.
01:33:59.200And it's like, I can document with a pen and paper now, it's vastly different than me filming it, and then you can see it.
01:34:33.320Or, no, he was, like, second to a gym with a business partner.
01:34:37.520And he had these dark circles under his eyes, and he was exhausted.
01:34:41.900And I was like, dude, what was going on?
01:34:44.000And he said, since I was a kid, I had this thing in my head that would always be talking to me and predicting things, and it just never shut up.
01:34:58.580Well, when I started asking him about some of these things, he went on to say that the voice in his head, that he believed were his own thoughts, he went and said it would predict deaths of people.
01:35:38.960An amazing journey into the psychotic mind.
01:35:41.060So that's what you just described is what he's been studying his whole life, where he's talking about schizophrenia.
01:35:47.900Oh, you're going to love what I have to say about this then, because I had the – I had – oh, if you had something to add to that, I apologize if I cut you off.
01:36:24.520But what I do know is he definitely didn't lead with that.
01:36:26.880And so I was looking up the – it was Apostle Paul and the slave woman who was following him around, and I think it was Barnabas, too, following him around and saying,
01:36:40.180he who comes in the name of the Lord, he who comes in the name of the Lord, he's here to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ.
01:36:44.640He finally turns around like two or three days in and says, in the name of Jesus Christ, I cast out of you.
01:36:49.600And it left her, and he got in trouble for that because she – the spirit would predict things, and she would help her owners win gambles.
01:37:01.760And they said, you just costed us money.
01:37:05.420Well, the spirit, when you look up in the book – because it's in the book of Acts when it happens.
01:37:47.780You actually see that in the beginning of the film 300 where he has to go to – Leonidas has to go to the oracles to get a basically blessing from this elder council on whether or not he should go to war.
01:38:01.320And the way that they determine it is by listening to the oracle, and the oracle is this young girl who they describe as a virgin who is, I guess, under the influence of some sort of drug and that allows her to channel these things and get information like that.
01:38:16.600So this was like a coveted position within, yeah, Greek structure.
01:39:33.800He said, the thought in my head came to life and spoke through my mouth.
01:39:36.840And so then I told him, I said, okay, well, you're at work right now, and I know it's – you know, you're about to close up, but let's not do this now because I can't guarantee it'll be out in five minutes or less.
01:39:50.940And so I said, don't let it freak you about too much.
01:40:51.260But like Top said, 30-plus years dealing with schizophrenia, he comes out the other end saying that this is demonic influence.
01:40:59.640And that kind of fits a pattern, one thing that you just described there, where it did not want him talking to you.
01:41:06.420This is something that Dr. Jerry Marzinski said was a common theme amongst these schizophrenic patients, was that these voices, they would tell the victims that I don't want you talking to him.
01:41:21.160And oftentimes, things will get significantly worse for people with schizophrenia if they start to talk about it.
01:41:29.580So these things don't want to be talked about.
01:41:31.840One of the things he said that I remember that's real interesting is as he's – so he's in a jail cell and he's dealing with the schizophrenic patients.
01:41:41.760But he's dealing with them in a different way because – so he used to work in like a hospital and they were like, you can't do that.
01:41:49.620You can't address these voices as if they're not hallucinations because the patients are getting disruptive.
01:41:55.600And I'm sure that things were getting crazy if you're doing that with every patient in that hospital.
01:41:59.200So – but in the jail, nobody cared because it's a jail, you know, they're like, fuck these people.
01:42:04.860And at one point, I guess he's caused such a disruption in the general population there that has schizophrenia asking about their entities that are talking to them that one of them comes to him and says, you have no right to interfere with our way of life.
01:42:20.420It's like, you have no right to interfere with our way of life.
01:42:30.720And then he has another encounter with a guy who sits at his desk and he tells him – he said, I want you to read this part of this article.
01:42:39.560And the article basically said, perhaps, you know, the voices in someone's head are not hallucinations, but maybe they're entities.
01:42:47.020And he says – and the guy kind of like goes blank like a zombie.
01:42:50.480He hears static that crawls along the wall behind him and he's like looking at it, watching it travel into his garbage can.
01:44:29.020It's interesting, too, because one of the other things you mentioned before was these things kind of being able to predict things.
01:44:36.300And I imagine that there's, like, lesser and greater entities that are interacting with schizophrenic patients or people that are scuffering from it.
01:44:43.860I wouldn't necessarily call them patients and maybe not even schizophrenia, right?
01:44:47.660But they often have these attributes of precognition where, like, they'll do it on a small scale and a grand scale.
01:44:56.940Where sometimes it'll be, like, you know, one story in particular I heard was a schizophrenic guy sitting on public transportation, and the voices kept saying, the man in the yellow shirt, the man in the yellow shirt.
01:45:07.700And then at the next stop, a man with a yellow shirt got on the bus and sat directly next to him.
01:45:12.300And then I guess there's other ones that are, like, and by the way, the Green Bay Packers are going to win.
01:45:19.400It's like, why can't you guys be useful every time?