Nephilim Death Squad - 038： Christian Orthodoxy w Jay Dyer

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00:01:57.460 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

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00:02:08.420 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:02:16.100 And the chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely important.

00:02:23.100 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

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00:02:44.140 Welcome to the end of day.

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00:02:49.120 Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. 0.80

00:02:53.020 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:02:57.820 And joining us today is Jay Dyer.

00:03:01.420 For the third episode today, we're bringing it.

00:03:03.400 You guys don't deserve it, but we showed up today with Jay Dyer.

00:03:06.580 Jay, can you tell the people a little bit about what it is you do and where they can find you?

00:03:11.020 Yeah, you can find me on my website, jaysanalysis.com.

00:03:16.020 You can find me on all the other platforms under my name.

00:03:19.320 What I do is cover a lot of topics.

00:03:22.160 Everything from geopolitics to film analysis to symbology to apologetics.

00:03:27.900 We do a lot of debates with Muslims, with atheists, with weird sects and groups.

00:03:34.540 And I've written four books.

00:03:36.800 Those are available at my website.

00:03:38.740 Two of them are on Hollywood, and then two of them are on philosophy of religion.

00:03:42.300 And then I host the fourth hour of He Who Shall Not Be Named every Friday on his platform. 0.99

00:03:51.340 It was Alex Jones, which we don't give a fuck. 0.99

00:03:55.040 Take the channel down. 0.98

00:03:56.300 Do what you got to do, YouTube.

00:03:57.480 But we're saying names.

00:03:59.120 We're taking numbers.

00:04:00.140 Yeah, dude, I've been a fan of yours for quite a while.

00:04:04.060 I don't even know where I heard you first, possibly Temple Hat years ago. 0.95

00:04:07.100 But one of the names that, you know, right away that comes up and you're like, oh, shit, Jay Dyer said that. 0.95

00:04:13.940 Like, I'm on it.

00:04:15.960 So you've had a big influence in, I guess, like the conspiratorial movement of my life, or at least the growing, the development of the ideas that I've had coming to this point.

00:04:27.120 Because, you know, I'm friends with Clint, like we were talking about before.

00:04:30.000 So I was very into politics, geopolitics, economics, libertarian theory, stuff like that.

00:04:34.380 And then that led me down the rabbit hole, which kind of fed right back into my faith, the church that I had left.

00:04:43.500 And now I'm in the process of rediscovering it, but with a different lens, right?

00:04:50.160 Whereas before I would have told you, I think the Bible is a set of stories that we should live by, really important, but analogies, you know, things like that.

00:04:57.640 But now I'm rereading it and I'm like, all this stuff is true.

00:05:02.680 And I invited you on because I wanted to know more about the type of Christianity that you speak about mostly.

00:05:12.920 Because it seems like one of the purest forms, it seems like people like Buck Johnson, who I've been friends with and I've interviewed, he went from atheist to orthodox.

00:05:25.280 And the change in his personality has been like startling.

00:05:32.940 So I'm like, what is going on with this specific type of Christianity?

00:05:39.260 Did you know, you knew him before, back when he was atheist, you knew him?

00:05:43.200 Yeah, yeah.

00:05:43.780 Our libertarian days were out there, 2018, 2017, doing retarded libertarian stuff. 0.96

00:05:49.840 And then, you know, COVID goes down and everybody's like, wait a second, there's a God.

00:05:54.620 I got to dig deeper.

00:05:56.560 And he was one of the people.

00:05:57.660 And he went, I went kind of full-blown conspiracy.

00:06:00.120 He went the orthodox route.

00:06:02.680 And it's kind of funny how we met right back here anyway.

00:06:06.500 It leads to the same spot.

00:06:07.680 So I'm like, a lot of questions in my brain popping up with this.

00:06:11.340 And, you know, Alex Jones even asked about it today.

00:06:13.600 So good day, better than ever to discuss it.

00:06:16.920 Yeah.

00:06:17.160 And Jay, just so you know where I'm coming from, it's like I've, I don't want to say conceited because I never denied that the world was most accurately viewed through a biblical lens.

00:06:28.920 But I came to this understanding after years of absorbing conspiracy and supernatural sort of more of a supernatural worldview.

00:06:43.880 And so I don't think you can have that be your basis of understanding the world and not consider strongly that the Bible is an accurate representation of what's happening.

00:06:55.680 But it wasn't something that I jumped into because I'm sure I don't have to tell you.

00:06:59.720 But for a long time, the most easily dunked on religion was Christianity.

00:07:05.980 And not easily, maybe that's not the word, but most readily dunked on religion was Christianity.

00:07:11.900 It seemed to be the one that it was no holds bars.

00:07:14.600 You can get on stage and say whatever you want about Jesus, about the church, about the Bible.

00:07:19.120 And so I wasn't eager, let's say, to jump into that and start to adopt those worldviews.

00:07:27.320 But after a certain amount of time and in my own personal experiences, it's been 17 years now that I've been what I could call a conspiracy theorist.

00:07:37.700 And only the past maybe four years did I come around to understanding that, yes, the world is most accurately viewed through a biblical lens.

00:07:50.700 And so when you try to quantify that and how much I understand about Christianity in the Bible, it's actually very little.

00:07:58.820 I just know that based off of my experiences and things that I've seen, I'm like, OK, this is true.

00:08:04.260 It's it's the best lens through which to look at these things.

00:08:07.540 So this show, along with the audience, has been like a learning experience.

00:08:13.480 I've been learning alongside them.

00:08:15.380 So when I talks about the Buck Johnson interview, that was the most not the most technical because we've had people on like Gary Wayne and L.A. Marzulli and a bunch of these characters in this space who see a lot of the supernatural through the biblical lens.

00:08:32.440 But I'm hoping that this will serve as, you know, not too technical.

00:08:37.600 Right. Because you don't want to be I don't want to give the audience anything too dry.

00:08:41.260 We're kind of retards on this show and we like to give people exciting, retarded content. 0.92

00:08:46.500 But I am also excited to learn about the thing that I've come to understand is the the proper viewing.

00:08:52.300 I do. I do a lot of boring, retarded content, but I can also do exciting, retarded content, too. 0.99

00:08:56.860 So there's a there's an overlap. There's a Venn diagram of two levels of retarded and that we can we can hit the middle there. 0.99

00:09:03.540 So but yeah, no, I mean, I think you're right that in the last, you know, since the coup, it seems like a lot of people actually maybe before that you could go back to remember when Bruce Gender was propped up as the woman of the year.

00:09:19.280 I think a lot of people started thinking, wait a minute, like there's a big scale push, not just for like.

00:09:28.580 But like actual evil, like there's actual evil going on.

00:09:31.840 And then I think when a lot of people started seeing the DRAG stuff with kids at libraries, you know, then people start thinking, wait a minute, there's actually like a legit spiritual evil.

00:09:42.760 That's more than just, you know, the government trying to control us, which that's true.

00:09:48.320 But a lot of people, I think we're thinking that if there's this much evil that we can start to see out there, there's got to be a good, you know, to the contrast with evil.

00:09:58.000 So I think that opened up a lot of people's ideas to the possibility of, you know, like you said, spiritual realities, but also maybe even the existence of God for people that, you know, hadn't considered that or had been going through an atheist agnostic phase.

00:10:13.260 I kind of had a, I guess you could say a doubting Christianity phase, maybe from about 2008 to 2012.

00:10:22.100 And I was kind of interested in perennialism and Neoplatonism and that kind of stuff.

00:10:26.400 And then I started, you know, kind of gradually working my way back just through getting back into reading the Bible about 2013, 14.

00:10:34.380 So, yeah, I think this is happening to a lot of people because we're just noticing like objective evil.

00:10:39.680 And the best account for this, the best explanation is, like you said, the worldview that's presented in the Bible.

00:10:46.480 So that's what I think is going on.

00:10:48.460 And then, you know, as to what Orthodox Christianity is, we think it's really just the ancient expression of Christianity that you see in the first thousand years.

00:10:58.360 So we would reject a lot of the conspiratorial accounts that you see amongst evangelicals or Seventh-day Adventists or even Muslims where they say, oh, well, Constantine created this Christianity, you know, at the Council of Nicaea where they invented the Trinity or something like that.

00:11:14.860 We do a lot of what we've done several about a lot, but we've done several talks where we go into looking at the church fathers of the first, second and third century, where it shows that they taught the Trinity, too.

00:11:25.680 So what happened at the Council of Nicaea wasn't something new, wasn't invented, wasn't a contrast or a contradiction to the Christianity of the first three centuries.

00:11:34.520 And so if we look at the, you know, other issues like the formation of what's called the canon of Scripture, and that just means the books that went into the Bible to make it up as we know it today, we would argue that you can't really divorce the living, existing historical community of the church from that decision.

00:11:55.020 And when we go back and when we look at what those people believed in those centuries, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, particularly, they believe what we believe.

00:12:03.540 So that for me was a really long journey.

00:12:06.100 It took me many, many years to come to this.

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00:13:32.400 And then I noticed a lot of problems with the Vatican's claims and the history of the church as well.

00:13:40.140 So that was a long, maybe 15-year approach for me to come to orthodoxy.

00:13:45.660 But in short, yeah, we just think that it is the church of the first thousand years, and I'm not limiting it there.

00:13:51.880 We think it's the church of the second thousand years.

00:13:53.660 But if you get into this issue of like, say, Protestant versus Catholic, a lot of people think, well, if I go read those people for the first thousand years, that'll help me determine like, you know, where the Bible came from.

00:14:05.660 And should we have tradition?

00:14:07.040 Should we have a pope?

00:14:08.020 Should we have, you know, synods and councils?

00:14:11.360 What's the best way for the church to be governed?

00:14:13.000 All these questions kind of emerge out of the first thousand years of Christianity.

00:14:16.700 And so for me, when I went and dove into those guys, it was pretty obvious after a while that they didn't believe in the papacy, as we know of it today.

00:14:25.840 And they weren't operating like a standard, you know, evangelical church, but they were, for all intents and purposes, identical to the orthodox church.

00:14:34.040 That's what we would say it is, is the historical church.

00:14:36.280 Yeah, we, on the show, like, it's not that we, like, tear down church.

00:14:41.260 I don't want to say that we do that, but we talk about this idea of, like, what is church?

00:14:47.600 And, like, we're still not really sure.

00:14:50.440 Like, we think, like, a community, obviously a community of people is kind of like a church, just where one or more are gathered in my name.

00:14:56.680 In a way, we're doing that with, you know, the people that watch this, but it's not, it's not quite church.

00:15:02.540 And one of the things that drew me away from church, I was in it for a long time, Pentecostal, was the governmental organizational structure of the church.

00:15:11.360 You have the treasury department, you've got a president, you've got, like, layers of this bureaucracy.

00:15:16.700 And when you, I played music in it, when you're in it, it's disgusting. 1.00

00:15:21.100 Because you kind of, like, take a peek underneath and you're like, this shit is all rotted. 1.00

00:15:23.920 You have, like, fat, bitchy women running everything in the Pentecostal church. 1.00

00:15:28.220 Yeah, it's exactly that. 0.99

00:15:31.420 Yeah, and it's not, I assume it's not supposed to be that.

00:15:35.080 What's the, what's the orthodox? 0.99

00:15:36.560 No, Jesus said in Matthew, I appoint in every church one fat, bitchy Pentecostal woman. 1.00

00:15:42.360 You haven't read that? 1.00

00:15:43.540 Is that in the red?

00:15:44.660 That's in the Schofield?

00:15:45.300 It's not only in the red, correct.

00:15:47.960 Yeah, I think church governance is a good point.

00:15:50.540 It's kind of a boring topic when people think about church governance.

00:15:53.660 But, you know, we would say that all the stuff that you see in the Old Testament and the way Israel operated, we see them as the Old Testament church.

00:16:02.440 So they had the role of a high priest.

00:16:04.940 They had the priest and they had the Levite.

00:16:08.580 And for us, that corresponds to the New Testament teaching of bishop, presbyter or priest, and then a deacon.

00:16:15.140 So there's that three tiered structure is the same in the Old Testament to the New Testament.

00:16:19.180 Of course, Christ is the ultimate high priest for us, not the Pope or anything like that.

00:16:23.000 So the ultimate high priest role, we think, is fulfilled in the person of Christ when he ascended into heaven.

00:16:27.700 But then there is still, in our view, what we would say is the Melchizedekian priesthood, which if you look at Psalm 110, right, it says that I will make you a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. 0.76

00:16:38.920 So Christ's priesthood is that eternal priesthood.

00:16:42.180 And both the person of Melchizedek in Genesis and the Levitical priesthood or the Aaronic priesthood, we would say both of those priesthoods in history are types or fulfillments of the priesthood.

00:16:53.000 And so when he establishes the new Israel, we think in the Gospels, when Jesus is talking about the kingdom in Matthew 16 and Matthew 18, and when he tells the apostles, you know, I'll give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven.

00:17:06.000 He doesn't just say it to Peter in Matthew 16 like the Roman Catholics think. 0.99

00:17:09.740 He also says in Matthew 18, two chapters later, that the whole college of the apostles possesses the same keys and authority.

00:17:17.540 But he also says in Matthew, he who hears you, hears me.

00:17:20.840 So we think that there's a legitimate authority passed on to them.

00:17:24.100 He breathes on them at the end of John and says, whoever sins, you remit, they're remitted.

00:17:28.540 Whoever sins, you retain, they're retained.

00:17:30.280 And then in the book of Acts, you see them going out after Pentecost, after they're empowered by the Holy Spirit.

00:17:36.280 They go out and set up churches and particularly the letters of Paul to Timothy are probably the most relevant here because Paul says to Timothy, I appointed you in Ephesus.

00:17:47.500 And then he says, you lay hands on men after you who are, you know, qualified, have good morals, et cetera, good character, who know the faith.

00:17:54.900 And he says that all the things you heard from me in the presence of many witnesses.

00:17:58.480 So that includes Paul's oral catechesis or teaching.

00:18:02.520 So if you look at Acts 20, for example, Paul says, I'm pretty sure it's 20, says that he taught for three years, day and night in Ephesus.

00:18:09.040 So he's teaching catechizing, not just with written texts.

00:18:12.420 Certainly he's commenting on the Old Testament.

00:18:14.500 But the whole body of doctrines, which is oral and written, is what Paul charges Timothy in those two epistles to pass on.

00:18:22.160 And he specifically says, and this is a key point of departure, I think, from pretty much most Protestants would be where Paul says that do not lay hands hastily on somebody because the gift of the Holy Spirit, he says, is transferred in that what we call the right of ordination.

00:18:37.440 So when a person is ordained, we believe it's an actual sort of historical descent from the original apostolic body.

00:18:46.320 And that for us is what we call apostolic succession.

00:18:49.180 And so when I was a Protestant, that kind of became a key dividing line between the Protestant view and on this, just that topic, Orthodox and Catholics agree in terms of apostolic succession.

00:19:00.580 They think, of course, that it's only through the Pope that this has had.

00:19:03.680 We think that it comes just from the individual apostles.

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00:20:17.800 From the apostles with that laying on of hands.

00:20:21.760 And it's not just a mechanical thing.

00:20:23.040 You also have to have the right theology to go with it.

00:20:25.740 So that's a couple of areas of departure from like the Roman Catholic view of apostolic succession.

00:20:31.100 But that's the basic idea that the apostles appointed specific successors in the cities where they set up the churches.

00:20:39.780 What are the thoughts on the Pope?

00:20:44.860 Because coming at this from a place of conspiracy theory, the Vatican and the Pope is obviously rife with conspiracy.

00:20:55.320 And there is a lot of argument that the Vatican has almost been captured.

00:21:01.620 You know, you hear people say things like Rome didn't lose.

00:21:05.000 It just became or Rome didn't fall.

00:21:07.520 It just became the Vatican.

00:21:08.520 Um, and you see the bizarre symbolism, uh, people point to the hat of the Pope being a representation of, uh, of Dagon, the Philistine God, Dagon.

00:21:19.720 Um, and also the auditorium that he sits in oftentimes looks like a giant viper.

00:21:26.560 There is this backdrop to another one of his sort of speaking rooms where it's supposed to be Jesus rising from a nuclear, um, explosion.

00:21:37.440 Yeah, it looks demonic.

00:21:38.600 It looks demonic.

00:21:39.520 Yeah.

00:21:39.640 And half of the head even looks like a serpent head.

00:21:41.980 So there's a lot of bizarre stuff makes the, the Vatican incredibly hard to, to trust.

00:21:47.160 I'd be very interested in knowing like, well, where does the Orthodox church then place the Pope?

00:21:52.660 Um, and do they look to the Vatican?

00:21:54.780 They look to the Pope as a, as a legitimate thing, or is this, you know, is this been co-opted in their eyes?

00:22:01.800 Yeah, the, we would say that the co-opting, um, happened a long time ago.

00:22:06.400 So from the Orthodox perspective, the split between the Eastern church and the Western church, which for the most part, for the first eight or 900 years is the same.

00:22:15.500 They're squabbles, but the East and West for the first eight or 900 years is pretty much unified.

00:22:20.480 And then you start having, um, some fissures around the eight hundreds where, uh, there's a new insertion into the creed on the part of Charlemagne and his court theologians.

00:22:31.780 So there's, it's a, it's a kind of a move by the state here actually, uh, to try to alter the church's theological confession and the creed.

00:22:39.840 And so they start saying what's known as the Philly Oakway addition to the, to the creed, the Nicene creed.

00:22:45.480 So this is where it starts to rupture.

00:22:47.440 There's already kind of, um, two different ideas of theology between East and West, but it really comes to fruition in 1054 when there's an official excommunicating of, um, East and West between the Pope and the patriarch of Constantinople in the East.

00:23:03.400 And so that's the official sort of split of the church, uh, ever since then, we believe that the papacy kind of went just kind of even worse and worse and worse.

00:23:12.520 So for us, it's like a gradual innovating to where they wanted more and more worldly power.

00:23:17.920 A couple of things you could look at.

00:23:19.520 That's pretty easy to see.

00:23:20.660 This is, um, there's a document called dictatus poppe, uh, under, um, uh, one of the Gregorian, uh, reformed popes of the 11th century.

00:23:30.520 And this document is not very long, but it has, I don't know, 30 propositions where the Pope basically makes himself, I don't know if you guys know about doom, but I mean, he basically says he's the Kwisatz Haderach. 0.56

00:23:42.040 He basically says, I'm actually the emperor of all emperors.

00:23:45.480 So every emperor in the world now owes their allegiance to me.

00:23:49.140 Um, I can call standing armies.

00:23:50.720 I can go to war.

00:23:52.560 I can call crusades, all this kind of stuff.

00:23:54.460 So when I was younger, I, I came to understand that the Pope had like this, um, unbelievable level of authority over like the world.

00:24:00.880 And that is true. 0.94

00:24:02.180 That wasn't just some, some, uh, bullshit that I learned when I was a kid.

00:24:04.740 No, it's, uh, so you start to see this with, there's actually before this, a fraudulent document that was appealed to called the donation of Constantine. 0.91

00:24:13.940 And this was later in the Renaissance proven to be a forgery.

00:24:17.740 The Vatican, you know, nowadays admits it was a forgery, but for many centuries, they backed up the, what's called the temporal power of the Bishop of Rome by this forgery.

00:24:26.720 There was other forgeries that backed it up as well.

00:24:29.300 Um, but we really see the first like explicit papal claims of this, uh, in the, the 11th century with what's called the Gregorian reforms.

00:24:39.200 Uh, and this is where Pope Gregory and then the Pope's after him, uh, Hildebrand and others, they, they literally just revolutionized the governance of the church in the West to be totally papal.

00:24:51.540 For example, prior to that, the church, the way a church would get a Bishop in the canons of the councils of the first, uh, 800 years is that it only took like three bishops or a metropolitan, a local prominent Bishop to appoint a new Bishop.

00:25:05.340 But when you get the Gregorian reforms, the Pope says, no, I now appoint and approve all bishops in the world.

00:25:12.680 And you can see why he would want to do that because now he can ensure that every Bishop in the world is now a papal Bishop and in line with him, you see.

00:25:21.120 So, and this isn't admitted, this isn't like a conspiracy.

00:25:23.820 Like this is just an admitted historical change in the governance of the church.

00:25:27.860 But this is why you'll see Roman Catholics even to this day. 1.00

00:25:30.740 Well, they'll just say, well, the Pope can do whatever he wants.

00:25:32.740 So he can do that, right?

00:25:34.400 He can like totally change the way that bishops come to be because he could do that.

00:25:38.760 He's the Pope.

00:25:39.680 Then there's an even stronger statement beyond that document called dictatus papi, called unum sanctum.

00:25:47.300 And this is a 1308 or something.

00:25:50.380 Anyways, Pope Boniface the eighth.

00:25:52.060 It's a famous document because it's the first document where the papacy says, not only do you have to be in the Roman Catholic church to be saved,

00:26:00.140 you actually have to believe also in the doctrine of the temporal supremacy of the Roman bishop to be saved.

00:26:06.360 So it kind of, it ups the ante even more.

00:26:09.040 So from the Orthodox perspective, we think that the temptation to worldly power, to, you know, having eventually the Vatican bank, all this crazy stuff.

00:26:18.500 We think that it kind of began back a long time ago.

00:26:21.720 And then it just kind of snowballed to what you have today to fast forward up to where you were talking about with like the weird stuff with, it's called the Paul VI audience hall.

00:26:31.320 There have been some weird Masonic and occultic architects who designed stuff for the Vatican in the modern like 60s, 70s and 80s period.

00:26:41.060 So I wouldn't be surprised if that audience hall wasn't designed by some weirdo creep or some PEDO, because that's pretty well known.

00:26:49.760 But if you really go into the depth of like the conspiracy of the modern Vatican, that's all CIA stuff.

00:26:55.700 And even Catholic researchers have written giant books proving this, particularly David Wemhoff's book about the relationship of the CIA to the Vatican at the time of the Cold War, 1950s and 60s.

00:27:09.120 It's called the Doctrinal Warfare Program, and we even know who headed it up.

00:27:13.340 It was a guy named C.D. Jackson, and he was working with Jesuits that the CIA kind of recruited to be assets.

00:27:20.020 It's incredible how they have their clothes and everything.

00:27:22.300 I wanted to backtrack for a second.

00:27:25.320 So in those first thousand years during that break off, was there any physical confrontations?

00:27:31.500 Because it doesn't just seem like you can break a religion into two without there being some wars fought over this. 1.00

00:27:38.620 And as we said up front, we're idiots. 0.99

00:27:41.560 So there had to have been something. 1.00

00:27:44.220 This doesn't just happen peacefully.

00:27:48.180 That's a good question.

00:27:49.140 I think so even by the fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh century, you start to see the Bishop of Rome, who we would say is a legitimate bishop.

00:28:00.880 Like he was the Church of Rome originally began just like all the other what we say is Orthodox churches.

00:28:07.020 But what happened was because Rome was the, you know, seat of the empire in the first 300 years of Christianity, before you get the creation of Constantinople by Constantine, what's called old Rome had a preeminence.

00:28:21.040 And they had a preeminence not because of some special gift of Peter or invalibility.

00:28:26.660 That's the Roman Catholic belief.

00:28:28.080 But we believe it's just because, as like St. Irenaeus says in his book Against Heresies, if you read, I think it's book four of that, he says that Rome is great because Peter and Paul preached and were martyred there.

00:28:43.680 So there's nothing mentioned about like a special gift of invalibility or anything like that.

00:28:50.300 But there is an honor that's given to Rome just because of tradition.

00:28:53.680 And if you look at what's called a canon of Nicaea, and so the first ecumenical council, they would usually attach these canons, which are just rules of church governance.

00:29:03.460 The sixth canon says that in the church, we'll have a kind of a status of which bishops have honor.

00:29:11.220 And Rome is given the first status, and then Alexandria, and then Antioch.

00:29:17.380 Antioch is another place where Peter went and preached Christianity.

00:29:20.940 And if you go to an Orthodox church, for example, a lot of them are called Antiochian Orthodox.

00:29:25.660 They derive their descent from Peter going to Antioch.

00:29:29.940 So in other words, the point Orthodox often make there is that like that's just as much a Petrine church as Rome is.

00:29:37.940 So there's no reason, like why wouldn't, you know, if you believe in infallibility of the Petrine descent, like why wouldn't there be that infallibility at Antioch?

00:29:44.420 It doesn't make any sense.

00:29:45.160 So Roman Catholics typically say, well, Rome is just special because Peter and Paul died there.

00:29:50.220 But there's nothing about that that tells you that it's like an infallibility that's given to that church.

00:29:55.080 And if you read Paul's letter to the Romans, he says in Romans 11, he warns them that they could be grafted out.

00:30:01.600 That doesn't fit with the Roman Catholic idea of, you know, indefectibility and the perpetuity of the Roman church.

00:30:08.160 So basically what was originally a position of honor, we think it just kind of evolved and grew into these outlandish claims.

00:30:16.780 But I can't think off the top of my head of like any physical conflict up until Rome, actually, eventually the West sacks Byzantium. 0.87

00:30:28.080 So when Byzantium gets sacked in one of the Crusades, they just destroy it.

00:30:31.840 They don't even recognize the Christianity that's there as legitimate Christianity.

00:30:36.000 They think it's weird that the priests have beards and stuff.

00:30:38.280 It's like, well, this is what this is what all the church did prior to the prior to the second of Constantinople.

00:30:43.780 So, you know, so it's just kind of like.

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00:31:40.520 They just went totally separate ways.

00:31:43.160 And the Roman Catholic Church really became a totally different worldly power. 0.75

00:31:48.020 I mean, have you heard about like the Borgias or the Medici Popes?

00:31:52.700 You know, they're very, very famous for like building giant whorehouses and palaces and, you know, this kind of stuff. 1.00

00:31:58.980 And it's just kind of like that illustrates, I think, the divorce between the two sides.

00:32:03.200 But aside from the second of Constantinople, I can't think of a war that occurred, but I could just not be aware of it.

00:32:09.560 So where do you or where does the the Orthodox Church place the extracanonical texts in the sense of?

00:32:18.920 I was I was going to ask that.

00:32:20.880 Yeah.

00:32:21.480 Are they something that they consider or are they do they consider them like a deception or, you know, where do they place those?

00:32:28.960 So there's different types of these.

00:32:31.140 There's what's called pseudepigrapha.

00:32:33.000 There's some that are called apocrypha.

00:32:35.200 And then there's the deuterocanon.

00:32:36.860 And so the you might you're probably referring to what's called the deuterocanon, which is like Maccabees, Tobit, Judith, Ecclesiasticus or Sirach.

00:32:44.860 We believe the apocrypha mostly.

00:32:47.220 But yeah, we believe that.

00:32:49.160 Well, we believe that the deuterocanon, which is those like Maccabees and those books that the Catholics have. 0.99

00:32:54.440 We have those books as well.

00:32:56.360 So we don't agree with the sort of the first being like Martin Luther and Calvin were the first to really say we don't want those books in here.

00:33:03.940 So sometimes Protestants call those the apocrypha.

00:33:07.080 So I'm assuming that's what you mean.

00:33:08.460 But there's also other books that are called pseudepigrapha, like the Book of Enoch or something like that, which there's a few.

00:33:16.620 I think the Slavonic, which is like the old Russian Bible, I think it includes the Book of Enoch.

00:33:22.380 So because we don't believe in Sola Scriptura, like we don't have a problem with there being legitimate tradition in something like the Book of Enoch, even though it's not technically like it's not it's not in the Orthodox study Bible.

00:33:35.260 Like if you get the Orthodox study Bible, it won't have it won't have Enoch in it.

00:33:38.460 But we will have all those books that the Catholics have that Protestants don't. 0.99

00:33:42.760 Any thoughts on the Book of Enoch?

00:33:44.200 I think that it has legitimate tradition.

00:33:48.040 I mean, it's cited in the Book of Jude, so I don't see any problem with saying that, you know, there's legitimate tradition that's there.

00:33:54.940 That's divine revelation.

00:33:56.560 So, yeah, I mean, the Orthodox view like divine revelation isn't restricted just to written Bible texts.

00:34:02.440 We believe that there's oral tradition that comes from the Apostles.

00:34:06.960 There's that's capital T tradition.

00:34:09.600 There's lower T tradition, like the way that, you know, the vestments are done in the church and that kind of stuff.

00:34:16.840 So, like you mentioned, the Pope's hat.

00:34:19.420 We don't think that comes from Dagon.

00:34:21.260 The origin of like vestments in the church has to do with the Book of Revelation and that we we see the priests as analogs to the priests in the in the Old Testament.

00:34:32.740 So it's more like, you know, the outfit that the priest wears matches the type of outfit that you would see the priests in the Old Testament wearing.

00:34:42.040 Yeah. So we talked about it at the top of this show where Alex Jones is now talking about his admiration of orthodoxy.

00:34:54.740 And we're in this time, you know, whether it was COVID or something like that that woke people up or we talked about it earlier, this drag queen story hour, all these different things sort of built up and broke the dam.

00:35:10.520 Well, now it becomes impossible to look around and go.

00:35:14.620 This isn't inherently spiritual.

00:35:17.420 And we find ourselves in a really interesting place.

00:35:21.080 I ask people if they think that we are in the beginning of maybe what you you would call a revitalization, you know, because as I said, my path here was through all these world events,

00:35:36.320 was through seeing all this occult symbolism and conspiracy theories and all these different things.

00:35:41.580 I'm not unique in that. I think a lot of people have have come through in that direction.

00:35:46.500 And if that's true, then are we possibly seeing a resurgence in Christianity?

00:35:52.320 And right now, top and I were just talking about it maybe last week, where the emergence of a new what would you call this top?

00:36:04.620 Like they're going to label it like white supremacy or or anti-Semitism or any number of things.

00:36:09.960 Right. But like the phrase Christ is king is now becoming this this like hot button topic, which is fascinating because.

00:36:19.040 Yeah, I understand kind of like both sides of it.

00:36:23.120 There's a James Lindsay side where he's saying you're weaponizing it.

00:36:26.020 And then there's another side that's saying like, you know, like you're actually glorifying Jesus.

00:36:31.060 I'm in between. I think I think people are doing all those things.

00:36:33.720 But I feel like it's a it's a necessary thing that has to happen in order for the next whatever next steps to play out.

00:36:41.600 So people will misuse this stuff and they'll use it as a battering ram.

00:36:45.700 But the fact that it's in the meme, it's out there in the ether and people are like thinking about this phrase a lot, says a lot about the times that we're in it.

00:36:55.660 And Jay, I know you had a different take than we would have on the the red heifers and things like that.

00:37:01.780 And like these weird what what possibly seems like a biblical prophecy unfolding could be obviously translated in multiple different ways.

00:37:10.940 But it just I can't help but feel that we're at a culmination and we're building up to something.

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00:38:09.800 Now, part of me is saying like, oh, it looks like end times, but people have said that forever.

00:38:18.840 The other part of me is saying like, no, this is building up to, I mean, we're witnessing the collapse of an empire.

00:38:26.060 And maybe it's that, or maybe we're building up to something else.

00:38:30.120 What are your thoughts on that?

00:38:31.280 Yeah, a lot of questions there, a lot of issues.

00:38:36.700 I think, in my view, the Orthodox view on the end times is that we take some of those passages that are talked about, like in Luke 21 and Matthew 24, in what's called a partial preterist sense.

00:38:49.360 And that means that the immediate context is Jesus talking about the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

00:38:55.920 And that's the sign that's supposed to occur that lets everyone know that the old covenant is finished.

00:39:02.300 So when the temple's gone, if you read Luke 21, because it's written for a Gentile audience, it's a little clearer than what is in Matthew 24, all of that discourse. 0.57

00:39:11.100 And Jesus says to the immediate audience standing in front of him, you here, when you see this temple gone, then you'll know that the things written of in the prophets, that that vengeance has been completed, has been fulfilled on this generation.

00:39:26.140 So that's what we call partial preterism.

00:39:28.460 It doesn't mean everything was fulfilled in 70 AD, like the bodily second coming of Christ didn't occur.

00:39:34.560 The resurrection didn't occur.

00:39:35.920 But there were key elements of that destruction of the temple, which foreshadowed the destruction and ending of the entire universe.

00:39:44.360 The temple is a little model of the entire universe.

00:39:47.660 It's God's house.

00:39:49.240 And for example, if you look at the way that on the day of atonement, the high priest would walk into the Holy of Holies and sprinkle the blood on the mercy seat of the ark.

00:39:58.420 If you read the book of Hebrews in chapters seven and eight, Hebrews states that Jesus ascending into heaven, the third heavens, the throne of God, and preparing the way for us in that ascent.

00:40:10.200 That was the fulfillment of the high priest going into the Holy of Holies.

00:40:13.740 So that tells us that the temple is kind of a little a little model of the universe.

00:40:18.620 When you walk into the temple, for example, there would be a lamp stand with the candelabra, and that represented the celestial luminaries, the planets.

00:40:29.260 So it's a space, right?

00:40:31.040 It's not just sacred space on Earth.

00:40:33.440 It represents the entire universe, which is God's tabernacle.

00:40:37.580 In the same way, Christ's body is a tabernacle for God among us, too.

00:40:41.520 So it's not one or the other.

00:40:43.700 It's both.

00:40:44.140 So long story short, the destruction of the temple is a sign, not just at the end of the old covenant under Moses, but it's a sign of the end of the universe.

00:40:55.120 So we don't know when that would be.

00:40:58.300 There is a great book on Antichrist and the end.

00:41:04.220 It's written by a bunch of Orthodox monks.

00:41:06.480 It doesn't have an author.

00:41:07.540 It comes from, I think, Jordanville Monastery.

00:41:09.820 But that's a great book on this topic because it does mention certain signs that would accompany the end end, the final end.

00:41:17.320 And if there is a new temple built, that would be a sign of the coming of Antichrist, according to the Orthodox Church.

00:41:25.060 So while I did do some interviews where I was discussing the red heifer, that I don't think there's any immediate significance to that per se.

00:41:33.840 If we start to see a temple built, if we start to, I mean, they'd have to get rid of that mosque first. 1.00

00:41:40.020 If we see, you know, the movement towards a world dictator that's being worshipped and the one world religion, we see that spirit already at work in the world.

00:41:50.800 But I think that, you know, when we actually see it manifested, we'll we'll know that that's like the legit end.

00:41:57.540 And so could we could have another thousand years of history?

00:42:00.920 I don't know.

00:42:01.540 But it's also possible that we could be entering that time either either way is it's either thing is possible.

00:42:08.220 And we could also be, like you said, kind of experiencing or seeing the beginnings of an actual revival.

00:42:13.280 Yeah, it's either a revival or, well, definitely a collapse.

00:42:17.820 But, man, it does feel like we have some of these characters kind of put into place where I'm a big fan of the Donnie Darkened.

00:42:24.260 I don't know if you're familiar with him on Twitter.

00:42:26.380 His theories on Donald Trump and Donald Trump fulfilling that sort of role of the Antichrist that steps in.

00:42:34.000 He already has all that juice with Israel.

00:42:35.840 They have his face on a freaking coin that lets you into the temple when whenever they decide to erect it. 0.69

00:42:41.020 There's like a lot of writing on the on the coin top. 0.87

00:42:44.640 It's there's it's the king of peace is what it says on the coin.

00:42:48.760 It says the king of peace.

00:42:49.860 And if I'm not mistaken, there is some sort of contention right now.

00:42:55.320 They're waiting for the results to figure out if genetically speaking, Donald Trump is of the lineage of the biblical King David.

00:43:02.820 This is something that they're taking very seriously.

00:43:05.320 It's like you can find articles on it.

00:43:07.460 They're just kind of tucked away.

00:43:08.580 And it's like, yeah, they're they're waiting for those results.

00:43:11.800 So Donnie Darkened is somebody that, Jay, you would probably find fascinating because he spends a lot of time connecting these dots as to why.

00:43:24.620 Like even even Donald Trump's mother's maiden name was Christ.

00:43:27.980 There's there's a lot of like really bizarre things that I don't know how much you get into it.

00:43:32.660 But the idea that there is some sort of time traveling aspect with Donald Trump, if you look at the Ingersoll Lockwood books, if you look, I do have that book.

00:43:40.800 I do have that book.

00:43:41.680 Yeah, it's top has it, too, right?

00:43:43.680 Yeah.

00:43:43.920 Yeah.

00:43:44.060 I mean, that's that's fun stuff.

00:43:45.820 That's fun stuff.

00:43:47.000 That's fun stuff.

00:43:47.740 But then some of the other things around him, I'm just kind of like this is getting a little too like uncomfortable.

00:43:53.560 Yeah.

00:43:53.680 I mean, in my opinion, and I'm familiar with I did hear I'd not heard of that dude until the other day.

00:43:58.240 I heard him asking David Icke some pretty good questions about, you know, David Icke pushing the new agey stuff.

00:44:03.580 So that was an interesting clip.

00:44:05.400 I would agree with the critique that he made of David Icke's worldview.

00:44:09.780 Otherwise, I was not familiar with that guy.

00:44:11.960 But, yeah, I wouldn't think that Trump has any direct necessary connection to Antichrist.

00:44:19.740 However, I do believe that the tendency that we see in evangelicalism towards millennialist Zionism is the spirit of Antichrist. 0.79

00:44:30.420 Absolutely.

00:44:30.840 So that's all just I mean, the book of Hebrews, the book of Galatians is pretty clear that there's not ever going to be animal sacrifices again.

00:44:41.860 And if there are, it has nothing to do with Christianity.

00:44:44.900 I mean, that's a return to what Hebrews says is apostasy.

00:44:48.620 So I definitely think that you're on the right track that for the Jews to be deceived by an Antichrist figure, as Jesus says, if another comes in his name, him, you will believe. 0.98

00:44:58.600 So the Orthodox Church has typically said that Antichrist would have to most likely be a Jew to deceive Jews.

00:45:06.680 So I think that that's the case.

00:45:09.900 Personally, I wouldn't think that it would be Donald Trump.

00:45:12.540 But you could argue that the spirit of what we see with goobers like John Hagee and these kind of people is definitely an Antichrist spirit for sure. 0.99

00:45:20.920 What do you what do you make of like what's been going on?

00:45:25.520 I mean, it's it's it's fun to talk about on Twitter.

00:45:27.720 I know I don't know if you see the stuff.

00:45:29.140 I say wild stuff about like, you know, the Jewish question going on on Twitter, but paying attention to it more in a more focused manner is really what people should be doing. 0.92

00:45:39.400 If you're like red flags aren't going up with what they've been doing on that side there and like the behavior of of some of their more prominent rabbis like a shmulee.

00:45:50.020 These things are I'm like, what is going on in this religion and why right now is it turning almost to to embrace this like whatever it almost feels like they're embracing an endgame or something they've been building toward.

00:46:03.120 And am I am I off on that?

00:46:06.680 I mean, that's I'm sure that in their perspective, you know, they have this idea that you can do these various works and some of the more mystical views, like even the evil works contribute to the great work of bringing forth, you know, the Messiah.

00:46:21.360 But so that seems to be part of the Talmudic and rabbinic rabbinic tradition that all of these works are contributing to manifesting this salvation.

00:46:30.440 But it's sort of like identical to what's going on in the New Testament when you have the figures of the zealots and a couple of the zealots, right, became followers of Christ.

00:46:39.800 And their idea was that it's all about worldly power, right?

00:46:43.360 It's almost analogous to what we were talking about earlier with the temptation to the papacy, right?

00:46:48.720 The Roman Bishop got tempted with this.

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00:47:44.180 This desire for building an army and taking over the world and being the, you know, God Emperor, the Kwisatz Haderach. 0.96

00:47:51.320 And it's a similar temptation, I think, happens with what we're talking about.

00:47:56.340 In my view, Israel, as we call it, this nation state, will play a role whenever that end times comes of being perhaps this domain from which this false religion for the world comes about. 0.99

00:48:12.260 Maybe, and I'm just speculating, this is my speculation.

00:48:14.420 Maybe we get like a future papacy that says, you know, Judaism is the real religion all along and we need to capitulate to that or something like that. 0.97

00:48:25.500 So I would, in my view, Antichrist would be a figure, a state figure arising.

00:48:31.560 An apostate church would be analog to something like Rome that we see in the book of Revelation, the harlot of Revelation.

00:48:39.260 I would say it could be a good match for something like that. 0.97

00:48:42.280 And then, you know, it pushes the false church, the whore church pushes the worship of the beast, the state, this international super state. 0.98

00:48:52.080 And then eventually the international super state casts off and doesn't need the whore anymore and basically says, you know, I'm God, whoever that entity or Antichrist figure is. 0.97

00:49:01.340 So I think that's a, and that's kind of in my theory for a long time for like an apostate false religion. 0.97

00:49:08.640 I think the Pope fits that perfectly, given that he's just capitulated more and more to, I don't know if you know about the relationship between like the papacy and Israel.

00:49:17.560 I mean, the papacy is more and more capitulated to basically worshiping the Old Testament God or like the papacy has even said stuff like, you know, Jews can be saved without, they don't need Jesus.

00:49:31.320 Like they have their own path and covenant to God, which is, is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

00:49:36.300 So anyway, I'm kind of, I'm rambling.

00:49:40.020 No, no, no.

00:49:40.780 That's perfect.

00:49:41.480 Cause, cause as you go into like a couple of thoughts, what are your thoughts on the star of Remfan and that, that part of the scripture?

00:49:48.920 It does seem like that star probably is a six sided star.

00:49:52.820 I don't know if, if for sure that the reason that Jews adopted that star necessarily has to do with ancient Remfan worship.

00:50:03.840 It could be, I'm not, I'm not positive, but I do think that the star of Remfan is supposed to be that six sided star is supposed to signify like Saturn.

00:50:12.600 And, uh, you know, the worship of like, uh, human, or it's a, it has human sacrifice as part of its ideology.

00:50:19.140 So there's probably something to that.

00:50:21.320 I, but I just don't know if it's really been confirmed if the modern nation state of Israel has that star, because I know some people theorize that the Sabbatean cult, uh, that exists, that they had a reverence for that star, or there was a kind of a Kabbalistic reverence for that symbol.

00:50:36.600 Um, any of those things are possible and I'm not sure it's a fascinating, um, line because it even mentions, not only does it represent Remfan, but also of Moloch they're mentioned in the same sentence.

00:50:52.360 And that's just, it's just bizarre because you know, a lot of what we're talking about here is all these things coming to a head, a sort of a culmination of bizarre biblical events and high level noticing, right?

00:51:02.600 Everybody can't stop noticing the spirituality and, and the backdrop has been painted with Moloch since, you know, Epstein's Island and the Hillary Clinton emails and all these different things.

00:51:14.980 And now as we're moving forward and, and, you know, top says that there's like this big Jew question, uh, on Twitter constantly.

00:51:24.480 And you find this reference to the star of Remfan directly next to a reference of Moloch, uh, and the language is such that it's a little bit hardy because it says, um, it's of Remfan, but not of Moloch, something, there's a different.

00:51:42.140 You've taken up the, you've taken up the tabernacle of Moloch.

00:51:44.120 There you go.

00:51:45.880 And so, uh, but you know, that's when, if you're a conspiracy theorist, all the bells are going off.

00:51:52.340 You're looking at that and you're going, well, what the hell is going on?

00:51:55.420 These two things.

00:51:56.100 And then, you know, people will break down, well, it's a six pointed star and it's got six triangles that make up the points.

00:52:04.180 And it's got, um, a hexagram in the center, which is a six sided, uh, uh, you know, geometrical shape.

00:52:11.160 And that's the same thing that's on Saturn's North pole, you know?

00:52:15.700 And so Remfan and Saturn and, and Moloch and all these things are somehow intrinsically connected.

00:52:21.420 And when you go to try to dispel that, it seems really hard to find any mention that that symbol represents, uh, represents David.

00:52:32.220 That's what's interesting.

00:52:33.380 It's hard to find that reference.

00:52:34.940 Right.

00:52:35.320 Yeah.

00:52:35.520 I, I, I, I, I think you're right that like we, there's not a direct connection anywhere.

00:52:40.920 Biblically speaking between the hexagram and David, but I'm just saying that if we begin to see the hexagram associated with the nation state of Israel, you know, uh, around the time of the Rothschilds or whatever, I'm not exactly sure.

00:52:55.480 When that star begins to be a symbolic of the nation state of Israel, there is, um, a tradition that perhaps even goes back, uh, ancient, more ancient than that.

00:53:06.520 Where Philo says something like there was a tradition that, that, uh, Solomon, you know, had created a ring.

00:53:14.560 Now the keys of Solomon is a later, uh, forgery, but Philo does talk about, and I remember I took a note of this when I was reading through, uh, some of, uh, no, excuse me, not Philo, uh, Josephus.

00:53:27.840 So Josephus talks about this tradition in his day of the, uh, various sigils that Solomon used, or, and then he had a ring of this sort of sigil.

00:53:37.420 But if I recall, it wasn't a six sided star, I think it was a five sided star.

00:53:40.540 So, um, maybe by the time of the emergence of the keys of Solomon in the 15 or 1600s, wherever that that's, that's a fake document.

00:53:49.260 It's not from Solomon.

00:53:50.340 They might've been pulling from this statement from Josephus and then added in as, as a six sided star or something like that.

00:53:56.000 I don't know.

00:53:56.300 But regardless of all that, I think that there's a more, uh, evident example where if we look at where Stephen in Acts eight is pulling, pulling from, he's talking about the whole history of Israel.

00:54:09.180 Right.

00:54:10.080 I mean, the nation state of Israel from the time of Mount Sinai onwards is constantly tempted with turning to the, the pagan worship of the nations around them.

00:54:20.960 And that includes, uh, you know, it's like sex rights that we see in numbers, Baal Peor and human sacrifice, which is mentioned in book of Jeremiah.

00:54:29.180 Uh, you know, this is why it's forbidden in, uh, Exodus and in numbers to, to do in Leviticus, to do that kind of sacrifice because the nations around Israel were tempting them with it. 0.64

00:54:39.960 They continually fell into that worship.

00:54:42.000 But thus so much of the prophetic literature, whether it's Jeremiah or Hosea or, or whoever is railing against that kind of human sacrifice, harlot temptation that Israel is tempted with.

00:54:54.660 So, I mean, we don't have to like that that that's in the, the tradition, I think of the erroneous side of Judaism. 0.96

00:55:03.460 Right.

00:55:03.900 I mean, this is the Babylonian Talmud, I think includes a lot of speculations about magical practices, the Zohar, these kinds of things, you know, include, um, these practices, which not necessarily every Jew did.

00:55:18.100 But within the, the rabbinic Judaism tradition, you've got, you've got rationalists like Maimonides, you've got, uh, esotericists and occultists like, uh, maybe Nachmanides, who's a Kabbalist.

00:55:31.840 So you do have these different strands within the history of Judaism where they would engage in magical practices, creating of amulets and this kind of stuff.

00:55:39.580 So I think that there was always been this strand present in various strands of rabbinic Judaism.

00:55:44.180 So that's, it's so interesting.

00:55:46.220 And that's what really, uh, makes the Bible interesting, going back and reading it from the beginning, because, you know, just in the, in, uh, the Ten Commandments, he said, you shall take no gods before me.

00:55:56.400 And before that's kind of like, what does that mean?

00:55:59.100 But obviously we've named the show Nephilim Death Squad, and then you start to get into fallen angels and their offspring.

00:56:06.100 And you're talking, I mean, then you can go down the line through historical figures in the Egyptian line and in the Greek pantheon.

00:56:12.540 And now we're talking about actual small G gods that have had power here on earth. 0.99

00:56:19.420 And at maybe at one point we're actually like in a physical body here that people were worshiping.

00:56:24.300 And that's long since been forgotten.

00:56:25.960 And we, we kind of like replicate what they wanted with a sacrifice, child sacrifice.

00:56:31.780 I mean, America is doing it right now with freaking Planned Parenthood. 0.83

00:56:34.540 It's the largest human sacrifice machine ever.

00:56:38.600 So like when, when we say like, are we living in the end times?

00:56:41.860 I'm like, you know, everybody said that, but I'm like today they just killed a million babies.

00:56:47.060 Maybe what does that do to the world?

00:56:49.080 What kind of like that kind of bloodshed, the most innocent bloodshed of, of a child, like in certain locations, what does that do?

00:56:55.720 What does that mean?

00:56:56.960 Like we were doing this before, but on this kind of a scale, it's almost unheard of at this point.

00:57:02.060 One, just, this is just an interesting side note.

00:57:05.740 Uh, one of those, uh, Ginsburg, remember the beat poet Ginsburg?

00:57:10.880 He, he said on one of his drug trips, he interacted with Molech and he, he felt like that the sixties counterculture was manifesting the entity known as Molech.

00:57:23.060 Like, which is interesting because like, this is when you start to see the push for, you know, abortion, so to speak, um, sexual, sexual deviancy.

00:57:34.720 He said that there's, there's a book where he talks about this.

00:57:37.360 It's, uh, it's, there's a book, it's a Normie book on the history of the sixties counterculture called storming heaven by Jay Stevens.

00:57:43.820 And there's a whole chapter on, uh, Ginsburg and his, uh, you know, drug trips and what do you saw and experience?

00:57:49.900 And he was like, yeah, I saw Molech and Molech was telling me like, you know, I'm going to be the God of America.

00:57:54.300 And I saw that was pretty crazy.

00:57:56.420 I mean, that was almost like, it's almost like a demonic version of prophecy, right.

00:57:59.580 Where he's like saying that that's what's going to happen anyway.

00:58:02.000 But aside from, uh, Molech, I mean, yeah, I think the, the best explanation for what's happening is demonic.

00:58:08.820 Absolutely.

00:58:09.400 Like the demons hate humanity because humanity's made the image of God and thus they, uh, hate anything that reminds them of God.

00:58:17.400 And also Christ took on human nature.

00:58:19.380 So the very being they hate didn't assume angelic nature.

00:58:23.580 He assumed human nature.

00:58:25.040 And so this is part of the source of a lot of the rivalry and envy that the demons have for humanity.

00:58:30.660 And so they want to destroy it.

00:58:32.820 And I think that, yeah, ultimately all of the, the religions out there that aren't Christianity, they always tend in this direction. 0.58

00:58:41.140 I'm not saying every person in those religions is demonic, but that if you're part of that spirit, that as time progresses, they're more and more going to participate in that spirit of anti-Christianity.

00:58:52.920 Even Islam is, you know, according to John antichrist, because John says he, that does not confess Christ coming in the flesh, God in flesh is of the spirit of antichrist. 0.92

00:59:04.420 And I mean, the biggest, the biggest anti-Christian religion on the face of the planet is, is Islam. 1.00

00:59:08.420 So I used to think like maybe 10 years ago, I didn't know a lot about Islam.

00:59:14.060 I mean, I knew a lot about Christian metaphysics and theology and apologetics, but I didn't know much about Islam.

00:59:18.420 And I thought, well, you know, they got a few things wrong, but they're kind of based or whatever, but they're not, it's, it's crazy.

00:59:24.980 I mean, when you really get into Islam, as I have the last like four or five years, you start to see like, this is, it's really bad news.

00:59:31.640 And I'm not trying to say that rabbinic Judaism isn't bad, but, um, I think rabbinic Judaism has no problem with Islam attacking Christianity. 0.99

00:59:39.540 You know what I mean?

00:59:40.180 Like they see it as, as perhaps something they don't really care about.

00:59:43.700 But, um, anyway, I'm rambling.

00:59:47.740 Do you, so by that nature, do you think, would you say that Christianity is almost, I think, I think that Christianity is in direct conflict with Judaism.

00:59:56.180 Like that's the battle that has been going on.

00:59:58.520 And again, this is like, this become like a JQ episode, but it kind of is.

01:00:02.420 And Christianity, I don't think really is aware of that.

01:00:05.740 Or maybe they're becoming aware of this.

01:00:08.260 Well, the last couple of talks I did, like on the fourth hour of Alex, a couple shows back was about the deception through dispensationalism of the Schofield study Bible.

01:00:19.920 And, uh, you know, like Christian Zionism and all that. 0.81

01:00:23.320 Yeah.

01:00:23.560 I mean, that's been a tremendous, massive deception.

01:00:26.180 And there's a really good case to be made that part of the reason Oxford university was so adamant about pushing the Schofield study Bible in America was to prepare for the geopolitical moves that the British empire had, had planned out with Balfour declaration.

01:00:41.700 So I think that makes perfect sense.

01:00:43.180 I mean, the Schofield study Bible is still, still printed by Oxford university, which again, makes absolutely no sense.

01:00:49.680 Like Oxford university is not known for, you know, weird Christian, like it's not John Hagee type of stuff. 0.97

01:00:55.800 Why are they pushing this and printing it for so long?

01:00:59.080 This absurd Schofield study Bible.

01:01:01.920 Well, because it props up the very, uh, error that you're talking about.

01:01:07.120 And this, and this was like, this is the impetus of my disagreement or my hate for the daily wire, despite ruin.

01:01:13.380 I mean, maybe it's because they ruined my only time on Tim cast, but most likely it's because they have been so subversive.

01:01:20.980 And to the, to the Christian boomer community, the Christian conservative boomer audience.

01:01:28.100 And it's, it's an op that's been so thoroughly run just recently.

01:01:31.280 I was like arguing with, uh, Matt Walsh about the whole nine to five idea.

01:01:35.880 I don't know if you saw this, but like it's to, to demoralize your audience in such a way.

01:01:42.840 And I'm not saying like, again, I've, I've recapped this ad notion, but like nine to five is not a bad thing,

01:01:48.140 but like striving for more is, is a bad thing according to the daily wire.

01:01:53.480 And it's just kind of disgusting, but it's also in line with almost everything else that they've been pushing.

01:02:00.360 Yeah.

01:02:00.900 I was, I mean, I called them out a couple of weeks ago, which surprised me.

01:02:03.640 Uh, cause that my tweet kind of went viral talking about how the thing that annoys me that they're always talking about how.

01:02:11.620 This is like my number one gripe with con Inc, man. 1.00

01:02:14.180 And they're always just talking about the boobs in Washington and we're run by idiots. 1.00

01:02:18.440 And it's like, no, dude, we're run by cunning technocratic psychopaths, like Brzezinski, Kissinger. 1.00

01:02:23.940 What do you mean? 1.00

01:02:24.620 We're run by idiots. 1.00

01:02:25.560 It's just, it's all deflecting into as if Joe Biden's running the country. 1.00

01:02:30.260 Right. 0.99

01:02:30.560 I mean, that's just the, this is just classic boomer crap, dude. 0.98

01:02:34.660 We're so past this. 0.97

01:02:35.920 People have moved on past this.

01:02:37.400 And so I'm just, it just annoys me that these people have such huge audiences still.

01:02:42.400 Dude, that's what I'm saying. 0.95

01:02:43.640 It fucking annoys me because just today it's Joe Biden again. 0.97

01:02:47.540 Like every time I see a Joe Biden video, my amusement level goes down. 0.98

01:02:51.980 Like at first I was like, this is very funny.

01:02:53.900 We can make good content off of this. 0.99

01:02:55.380 Like I do funny shit sometimes. 0.90

01:02:56.940 The last one I seen where he said, uh, another four years pause. 0.98

01:03:01.340 And then they chant afterward.

01:03:02.720 I'm like, this is like, I'm distressed at this point.

01:03:06.120 It's almost like they're psychologically torturing me.

01:03:08.300 Like telling us that we know, like, we know, you know, that like, he's not running this 1.00

01:03:13.200 shit. 0.99

01:03:13.400 Like we don't even care anymore. 1.00

01:03:15.080 The more he messes up, the better.

01:03:17.080 And the more you have to think about like, what's actually happening here. 1.00

01:03:19.940 These are, these are dumb, they're dumb people because they've given themselves over to whatever 1.00

01:03:26.480 kind of spirits that are, um, influencing them. 1.00

01:03:30.220 Yeah. 0.99

01:03:30.420 They're dumb and not right, but they're absolutely cunning and they're dangerous. 1.00

01:03:35.260 How did they ruin your Timcast? 1.00

01:03:37.380 What do you mean?

01:03:37.720 I went on in like, I don't even know, last year or something.

01:03:41.280 If you don't let me ask.

01:03:42.440 Yeah.

01:03:42.940 Uh, and, uh, if you ever watched Timcast like an episode.

01:03:46.940 Yeah.

01:03:47.380 I was on last January, I think.

01:03:50.360 Okay.

01:03:50.740 Oh, so I was on last January too.

01:03:54.040 So usually you go on and there's at least four topics covered.

01:03:57.100 We talked about nothing but Steven Crowder and the daily wire for two hours.

01:04:00.800 And I just basically, I was like, I don't, I had, I actually had to stay quiet on some

01:04:06.020 of the opinions I had because my friends were coming after they had booked this whole in

01:04:09.380 succession.

01:04:10.340 And I was just like, this is awful.

01:04:12.460 And it was the most boring.

01:04:13.440 Oh, you mean the daily wire, uh, indirectly ruined it because it was all about daily wire.

01:04:17.440 Like you couldn't talk.

01:04:18.600 I thought, I thought you meant like, they heard that top was coming on.

01:04:22.180 This is a bench beer.

01:04:23.600 I'm calling right now.

01:04:24.040 Get him off of there.

01:04:24.660 Get him off of there.

01:04:25.140 Faction logic.

01:04:26.280 Shut it down.

01:04:29.260 You know, I don't want to shut it down.

01:04:32.080 I wanted to go back to something you said before, Jay.

01:04:34.520 I found it incredibly fascinating.

01:04:36.060 This idea that this, this guy, he's, you know, being subjected to these LSD experiments

01:04:40.660 and he, uh, has an encounter with Moloch.

01:04:43.920 And if you take into consideration the idea that the entire counterculture revolution was

01:04:49.460 manufactured or at least co-opted soon after its inception and then steered by, you know,

01:04:53.460 these intelligence agencies, the people that are running these experiments that are subjecting

01:04:57.580 these Johns, right.

01:04:58.540 To LSD and all these different things.

01:04:59.920 For, for sure, they have to be getting these patterns back.

01:05:05.060 Like, oh, there, Moloch's been mentioned again.

01:05:07.440 I don't know.

01:05:07.840 Some, some, some entity.

01:05:09.180 Moloch.

01:05:09.520 Oh, there he goes.

01:05:10.000 He mentioned Moloch too, right.

01:05:11.300 After a while, they have to have an idea that they're communing with entities.

01:05:15.500 Because how many people come back from a DMT trip or any trip for that matter and have

01:05:20.040 communed with some sort of entity?

01:05:22.040 And once you start to establish a pattern there, you can start to imagine, well, they're going

01:05:25.940 somewhere and they're communicating with something almost reliably in the sense that we can, you

01:05:30.020 know, show a pattern here.

01:05:31.440 So a lot of the times I would think to myself, what benefit do the intelligence agencies have?

01:05:37.740 And I'm sure there's many, because it's never just one thing.

01:05:39.900 It's multiple birds with one stone.

01:05:42.700 What benefit do they have by pushing this drug culture?

01:05:46.420 You know, if you're talking about the crack epidemic, that one's pretty cut and dry with,

01:05:52.880 you know, destroying the family unit in the black communities and funding the Iran-Contra 0.97

01:05:57.460 wars, all these different things. 0.99

01:05:58.420 But with the LSD movement, to even entertain for a moment that they were fucking bringing 0.62

01:06:05.580 Moloch into this dimension, that they were giving this entity enough energy from enough 0.62

01:06:11.780 encounters with people that eventually they would bring back into this reality to some 0.99

01:06:17.960 sense, an Old Testament deity that the Canaanites worshipped is fucking, I don't want to have 1.00

01:06:26.160 this be taken the wrong way. 0.99

01:06:27.360 It's cool as shit. 0.97

01:06:29.020 I'm going to dig up that quote where he talks about it. 0.98

01:06:31.400 It's in that Jay Stevens book.

01:06:32.780 And to be precise, although you actually could be onto something that I had thought about,

01:06:37.640 which is a lot of these dudes, like the beat poets and these sort of counterculture figures,

01:06:42.980 they actually did have fed ties quite a bit.

01:06:46.360 I don't know if Ginsburg himself did, but I would not be surprised.

01:06:49.900 But according to him, like he was just like, no, I'm doing this on my own to, you know,

01:06:54.620 be a wild man.

01:06:55.880 And, you know, I'm going to go back to being a, to nature and, you know, being a not part

01:07:00.760 of your civilization, dude. 0.98

01:07:03.180 A gay pagan. 1.00

01:07:04.860 Yeah, pretty much.

01:07:06.680 But I wouldn't be surprised given how many of the other characters like Tim Leary and

01:07:11.060 even perhaps McKenna, you know, they had fed ties.

01:07:14.020 So I wouldn't be surprised.

01:07:15.000 In fact, Leary, there's a clip you can find on YouTube where he says you can, you can trace

01:07:19.340 the entire count of 60s counterculture to the CIA.

01:07:21.800 He's like, if you like it, you can thank the CIA for that.

01:07:24.160 So why the LSD for the, the, the emerging white kids and not, I think that they probably 1.00

01:07:34.840 did a lot of experimentation about which drugs worked best for which types of people or groups

01:07:40.340 of people.

01:07:41.620 Huxley said a lot of his research when he was talking about experimenting with LSD before

01:07:46.460 they released it to, you know, the, the white, uh, kids in the West was that it had the ability

01:07:53.200 to break down all of your boundaries, uh, and kind of, um, change.

01:07:59.760 Uh, it's, it's a drug that radically changes a person in many cases or not discernment in the

01:08:08.000 sense of like spiritual discernment, but you're otherwise being closed off from people guarded

01:08:13.060 from people.

01:08:14.000 Yeah.

01:08:14.200 Like, like a person, like they would talk about how persons who grew up maybe with a more

01:08:18.620 of a conservative bent, uh, wanted to go to college and, you know, become a, uh, you

01:08:23.360 know, accountant or whatever that after they would do these drugs, they were totally different

01:08:27.840 people.

01:08:28.200 So it sort of broke down all their boundaries, their sense of self or sense of connection

01:08:31.800 to their family, to their nation state. 0.95

01:08:33.600 We noticed that this one makes them gay and homeless. 0.98

01:08:37.980 Which one? 0.99

01:08:39.740 LSD, any of the psychedelics.

01:08:41.720 This one very effectively turns them and makes them homeless.

01:08:46.160 Let's give them that one.

01:08:48.220 Um, yeah, I think, uh, yeah, I mean, so there's actually studies, right?

01:08:53.920 Where they talked about, so Huxley talks about it.

01:08:56.200 Um, just basically as a potential cultural revolution drug.

01:09:02.300 So I think that's why they wanted to see if it would do that.

01:09:05.540 Um, other people talk about it doing this.

01:09:07.340 John C.

01:09:07.660 Lilly talks about it as a thing.

01:09:09.200 Oh, I forgot.

01:09:10.160 Yeah.

01:09:10.280 Like, uh, uh, Leary, I think even says that his, his thought was you could initiate an entire

01:09:17.280 generation through in, in like a shamanic way to a new shamanic religion through these,

01:09:23.620 uh, Terrence McKenna, he says in his book, uh, food of the gods that the sixties counterculture, 0.79

01:09:28.880 I kid you not, this actually ties into your, to your gay comment.

01:09:31.760 He says that if everybody took hallucinogens and LSD and all this stuff, then we would 0.62

01:09:37.220 finally return to the worship of the goddess and we would stop being, uh, masculine, uh,

01:09:43.300 like alphas.

01:09:44.440 He says that.

01:09:45.420 Wow.

01:09:45.900 Yeah.

01:09:46.220 I actually have that book.

01:09:47.280 I never read it because I'm retarded, but that's fascinating because. 0.73

01:09:50.240 The first chapter he says that.

01:09:51.700 Yeah.

01:09:51.960 Wow.

01:09:52.260 You didn't even get past the first chapter. 1.00

01:09:54.020 I never even opened that shit. 0.99

01:09:55.360 It just looks cool on my shelf. 1.00

01:09:57.100 Uh, that's crazy, man.

01:09:59.540 Because.

01:09:59.760 And it also says in a video, by the way, uh, you can find it on YouTube.

01:10:03.960 Uh, somebody was asking me the other day that I can't find this video.

01:10:06.800 It's still there.

01:10:07.700 I promise you.

01:10:08.400 It's something like what the mushroom, what the mushroom said to me.

01:10:12.060 And when you play it, Terrence McKenna says.

01:10:14.620 You might think the mushroom told me that everyone needs to save the earth or get rid of the brown 1.00

01:10:21.840 people. 0.98

01:10:23.040 No, the mushroom said that the white soccer moms in California need to stop having children. 1.00

01:10:28.920 So the literally, literally the mushroom is telling him like exactly what the CFR and the

01:10:34.620 globalists want.

01:10:35.420 Right. 0.99

01:10:35.780 It's like, Oh, that is fucking fascinating. 0.99

01:10:38.920 Dude. 0.97

01:10:39.060 It's it's, I, I think it's.

01:10:40.700 I'll send you guys that clip.

01:10:41.620 I'll find it later.

01:10:42.420 I'll send it.

01:10:42.520 Yes, please.

01:10:43.320 It might be a misconception that a mushroom is doing this or we're big fans of portals,

01:10:48.920 Tony Merkel fans.

01:10:50.020 So it's, to me, it just seems like a lot of these things like LSD mushrooms, uh, methamphetamine,

01:10:55.200 they're just tools to open up a portal in.

01:10:58.040 Um, into different directions.

01:11:00.580 Father, Father, Sarah from Rose.

01:11:01.600 Some of the Orthodox writers say this, that cause he used to do psychedelics before he

01:11:05.880 became Orthodox.

01:11:06.420 And he talks about it opening up that spiritual portal.

01:11:09.300 Yeah.

01:11:09.900 Yeah.

01:11:10.180 I, I, I've had experiences.

01:11:11.980 Um, I did a lot of mushrooms one time and I didn't have anything negative happen to me,

01:11:16.520 but what I can say definitively is that my thoughts were not my own. 0.97

01:11:20.160 I was being given shit to think about the puppeteers, the puppeteers. 0.98

01:11:26.400 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:26.760 It was like, it was like somebody turned a faucet on and I was just getting drenched with fucking 0.95

01:11:32.320 information because I remember my reaction to it specifically was like, huh, that's interesting. 0.98

01:11:38.500 Huh?

01:11:38.760 Okay.

01:11:39.200 Like it was, everything was as if I was looking at it. 0.98

01:11:41.380 So it very much feels like, um, you know, we bring them up every fucking episode. 0.91

01:11:45.400 We just brought them up on the previous episode, but Dr. Jerry Marzinski is a clinical psychologist 0.96

01:11:50.100 for 35 years in the field.

01:11:51.620 We should just get a drop.

01:11:52.560 I'm just going to get a drop.

01:11:53.600 Like on the roadcaster that just does this spiel.

01:11:56.220 Cause we do it.

01:11:57.040 It's disgusting.

01:11:58.400 It's like, hold on.

01:11:58.940 We're going to pull up the clip of, but, um, he's an awesome guy.

01:12:03.420 He dealt with schizophrenia and he came to the conclusion after all his schooling and everything

01:12:08.120 that this was in fact, spiritual in nature and that these people were under the influence

01:12:12.200 by demonic entities.

01:12:13.200 And he said that drugs act as a portal to commune with these things.

01:12:17.520 And the most effective one that mirrors schizophrenia almost exactly is methamphetamine.

01:12:23.600 Interesting.

01:12:24.600 Uh, yeah.

01:12:25.640 Uh, Huxley says as well that they, that he noticed early on when he was experimenting

01:12:30.600 with LSD, both on himself and with other people that it seemed to have the ability to induce

01:12:36.160 schizophrenia and dissociation.

01:12:38.300 So they knew that early on.

01:12:40.260 And I forgot to mention, uh, there's a really important white paper you guys should check

01:12:44.340 out.

01:12:44.620 It's pretty famous.

01:12:45.400 It's, uh, produced, uh, in concert with Stanford research Institute, which was together with

01:12:50.780 Esalen Institute was spearheading a lot of this, uh, sixties counterculture stuff from

01:12:54.360 the establishment, by the way, not from a grassroots thing.

01:12:57.320 Um, it's called changing images of man.

01:12:59.160 Have you heard of that?

01:13:00.720 No.

01:13:00.940 Yeah.

01:13:01.080 You gotta, you gotta check this out.

01:13:02.340 It's a famous, uh, Stanford white paper, which talks about the cult, the, the cultural

01:13:06.820 revolution and how they wanted it to happen and, and where they wanted it to go to basically, 0.98

01:13:13.640 basically just create a bunch of idiots, uh, who pretended that they're shaman, uh, you 0.99

01:13:18.720 know, what we see, like, you know, with yoga, Instagram chicks, you know, yoga, Instagram 1.00

01:13:23.480 chicks, that's what they wanted because those are the kinds of people that will, uh, fit 1.00

01:13:27.620 better into the coming technocracy. 1.00

01:13:29.080 So changing, like, did you see that crusty bitch with the big titties, the white chick 1.00

01:13:33.000 who fucking sings about like pyramids and commuting with entities. 1.00

01:13:36.740 And she's like really popular. 0.99

01:13:38.800 I gotta, this sounds like a great, like, uh, material for a live stream.

01:13:42.660 Oh, dude.

01:13:43.160 You'll, if you see her, uh, you'll hate her, but she's gotten viral, by the way, would, but 1.00

01:13:48.460 she's a fucking completely, uh, you know that she smells like, like ass fungus and cat 1.00

01:13:55.860 litter, but, uh, she is kind of a phenom, right? 1.00

01:13:59.960 Amongst, uh, the younger generation of girls.

01:14:02.360 I have a niece who's like obsessed with her and my niece now has one crusty dreadlock and 0.99

01:14:07.020 it's, I have this bitch to thank. 1.00

01:14:08.480 Um, but she, uh, she is all about taking mushrooms and LSD and commuting with entities. 0.99

01:14:15.980 And she, she makes songs about that.

01:14:17.940 She says channeling.

01:14:19.420 She's like, you know,

01:14:20.140 Let me ask you this, Jay, because you, you just brought up the idea of, uh, a communal

01:14:24.900 indoctrination, I think you said with the culture.

01:14:28.000 Yeah.

01:14:28.400 So when you're talking about like astrology girls or, uh, you know, like everyone's reading

01:14:32.400 the horoscope or everyone's doing yoga, which yoga is great for stretching, but it also,

01:14:37.540 they're doing it in a way like a spiritual way, even though they might not be touching

01:14:40.940 exactly what it's supposed to be because they're mimicking these things.

01:14:44.360 They're going through the motions of it.

01:14:46.160 Or even like our boy, Paul would talk about clowns in the Nephilim, how clowns resemble the

01:14:51.140 Nephilim by dressing up, by memeing these things.

01:14:54.700 Is there any kind of actual initiation happening culturally?

01:14:58.280 It's short.

01:14:58.700 It seems that way.

01:15:00.320 What are your thoughts on that?

01:15:02.140 Yeah.

01:15:02.340 That was the purpose of pushing all this, uh, Eastern stuff.

01:15:05.020 So, you know, this is, I mean, again, a changing images of man is one of the documents from the

01:15:08.840 establishment that talks about it.

01:15:10.640 Uh, Leary talks about it.

01:15:12.520 McKenna talks about it.

01:15:14.360 Um, and I don't view those people as legitimate counterculture people.

01:15:17.660 I think they were like fake, you know, establishment given counterculture people to change society.

01:15:23.400 Like, for example, uh, Gordon Lawson, the dude that, uh, went and discovered the, discovered

01:15:30.420 the entheogens that they synthesize LSD from.

01:15:34.820 Uh, he was a banker, um, working with, uh, like working out of like, I think JP Morgan or

01:15:41.160 something, but he worked for the Macy foundation and he went to Latin South America to try to find

01:15:45.900 these hallucinogens.

01:15:47.640 And this is where we actually get like the synthesized LSD that, that, uh, San Daz, uh,

01:15:52.660 pharmaceuticals created for the CIA.

01:15:54.580 If I remember with Abby Hoffman and all that, but, um, they put him on the front of time

01:16:00.300 magazine.

01:16:00.960 Okay.

01:16:01.200 That's time magazine was run by Henry, Henry Luce, the, the CIA skull and bones guy.

01:16:06.320 Why are they promoting, uh, mushrooms on the cover of time magazine?

01:16:09.720 If it's a counterculture, you know what I mean? 0.55

01:16:12.520 Uh, so I, I think that, that the thesis that this was pushed from the top down is way more

01:16:18.360 sensible because they realized that it had a tremendous, uh, effect for social engineering.

01:16:23.520 So, um,

01:16:24.940 It's everywhere, dude.

01:16:25.840 I mean, from Joe Rogan, that's like us, like people that listen to podcasts, do podcasts

01:16:30.740 are in online.

01:16:31.660 And then you go to target and in target, they have like just hoodies, Walmart hoodies, like

01:16:36.720 with like little Walmart things.

01:16:38.000 And it'd be like, taste the rainbow. 0.99

01:16:39.360 I'm like, what the fuck is this talking? 0.98

01:16:40.680 You're talking about like going on a trip in Walmart, but this is, it's a lot of mushroom 0.99

01:16:45.300 stuff too, right?

01:16:46.040 Like shirts with mushrooms on them.

01:16:47.380 I see that all the time.

01:16:48.160 When I go shopping with my kid, there's a lot of like shirts with fungus on them. 0.99

01:16:51.520 I'm like, what the fuck? 0.98

01:16:52.200 Kids just love fungus, fungus, space, and dinosaurs. 1.00

01:16:54.920 I'm like, all these things are fucking lies, but basically everything fake and gay is 1.00

01:16:59.580 everything fake and gay is the market towards children. 1.00

01:17:01.540 But that concept is really fascinating, right? 0.98

01:17:04.140 It's like initiating an entire population of people.

01:17:07.200 So you inundate them with drugs.

01:17:09.980 So now a vast majority of the population is on a drug of some sort.

01:17:14.600 Yeah.

01:17:15.280 And then you saturate their subliminal mind or their subconscious mind with subliminal messaging

01:17:21.080 in all the media that you take in.

01:17:24.440 There are esoteric symbols, Masonic symbols, you know, a satanic symbolism in almost everything

01:17:31.780 that you absorb that's given to you through the mainstream, at least, you know?

01:17:35.740 So I would be hard pressed to find a show on Netflix that didn't have something hidden

01:17:40.820 somewhere in the background, right?

01:17:42.340 Oh, you know what?

01:17:43.360 Not to interrupt you, but Jay, you've gone deep on this show.

01:17:46.340 I think that it's, it's been you that's been talking about it, right?

01:17:48.760 Uh, old show.

01:17:51.460 Get in the name.

01:17:52.580 Um, see, you or Isaac.

01:17:55.240 No, you're confused.

01:17:56.020 You're confusing.

01:17:56.780 Isaac.

01:17:57.180 Isaac does Twin Peaks.

01:17:58.320 Never mind.

01:17:58.660 I would have watched that.

01:17:59.960 We both did.

01:18:01.060 I'm not, I'm not knocking Isaac, but Isaac, uh, I'm the one that kind of got Isaac into

01:18:05.420 Twin Peaks.

01:18:05.960 And then he went, he went a lot deeper with Twin Peaks than I did, but apparently you

01:18:09.380 can go that deep. 0.99

01:18:10.300 Like there's just so much in that fucking show. 1.00

01:18:12.280 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:12.460 It's really deep.

01:18:13.300 Um, yeah, I remember.

01:18:14.660 So I put my essay on it in the first esoteric Hollywood book that came out in 2016.

01:18:19.100 And the reason I wrote that essay was that I had a, I had a sense that, uh, that David

01:18:24.780 Lynch's show was dealing with like Crowley and stuff and the demonic realm and portals

01:18:30.540 through rituals and drug use and all that.

01:18:32.880 Um, but it was just my thesis from, um, the show.

01:18:35.640 And then Mark Frost, who's the co-creator of Twin Peaks with David Lynch, he put out a

01:18:40.020 book, uh, in 2017, I think a year after my thing came out and basically in his book,

01:18:46.360 it's like the whole history of Twin Peaks.

01:18:48.400 Like there's chapters on Crowley, there's chapters on Jack Parsons, there's chapters

01:18:52.280 on everything like way more so than I expected.

01:18:55.440 So that really vindicated the, the thesis that, um, you know, Twin Peaks is about this

01:19:00.980 kind of stuff, the stuff we're talking about today.

01:19:03.420 Uh, and then, yeah, Isaac went like a lot deeper with it with his, you know, he's done

01:19:07.640 like a whole, he's done a podcast on like the whole, like three series, three, three seasons.

01:19:12.620 How old is that show?

01:19:13.740 Uh, Twin Peaks started in like 92 or 93.

01:19:17.620 I remember when it came out, it was, and it was, what's weird is that, that that was

01:19:21.500 on network TV.

01:19:22.500 I mean, it's just such a bizarre show.

01:19:25.500 Um, you know, you would never see something like that on network TV nowadays.

01:19:27.500 Never see something like that on network TV nowadays.

01:19:29.920 That's interesting.

01:19:30.780 Do you think that that kind of falls into that mass, um, initiation that we're kind of hinting

01:19:37.520 at, you know, what purpose does that serve if you're sitting there and you're absorbing

01:19:41.300 that, but you don't realize it on the surface?

01:19:43.700 Like the hermetic principle where they have to tell you.

01:19:45.900 Like revelation of the method or yeah.

01:19:47.660 I mean, I mean, I don't, I mean, uh, you know, David Lynch is obviously not Christian 0.98

01:19:51.640 in any sense.

01:19:52.760 Um, he said, he seems to be interested in, you know, he's a big proponent of transcendent

01:19:56.460 meditation.

01:19:57.760 Uh, and he's influenced by, uh, like, uh, Tibetan Buddhism and this kind of stuff.

01:20:05.340 So he's definitely not coming at it from any kind of Christian perspective, but I do think

01:20:09.900 sometimes, uh, pop culture stuff and, and even something like Tibetan Buddhism, like it

01:20:17.300 can inadvertently hit on the ideas of demonic entities being contacted through portals.

01:20:23.900 You know, this guy, I mean, that's what happens in the show.

01:20:25.660 Right.

01:20:26.040 So I think even the pagans can, can touch on this kind of stuff accidentally.

01:20:30.740 So I think that's, what's going on with David Lynch.

01:20:32.780 I mean, he could be way more into deeper stuff than I know.

01:20:38.360 Um, but I don't get the impression that he's like, what am I trying to say?

01:20:44.420 Um, I don't know that he's, I don't know that he's got there being like, okay, we serve

01:20:49.260 Satan.

01:20:49.880 What can we put out, you know, to dupe the public?

01:20:53.280 Um, I, I, I, he seems to just be kind of like one of these, uh, you know, LA avant-garde

01:20:58.640 auteur, uh, filmmakers who got into Buddhism and, you know, you know, like if you've been

01:21:04.140 to LA, there's a lot of people out there that are, you know, not into Buddhism, you know

01:21:09.560 what I mean? 1.00

01:21:10.320 And they're kind of idiots. 1.00

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01:21:56.240 So I don't know that he was, but I mean, he could be way more well-connected than I know. 0.96

01:22:02.080 But it's still kind of like an idiot touching on the truth kind of thing. 0.99

01:22:06.260 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:06.660 Yeah.

01:22:06.760 The guy that, sorry to interrupt Dave, but the guy that created, or he wrote Noah, get

01:22:10.860 his name.

01:22:11.380 He's a pretty famous screenwriter.

01:22:13.400 Same sort of thing.

01:22:14.300 I'm like, how much does this guy actually know?

01:22:16.340 He knows enough to name the fallen angels.

01:22:21.300 Are you talking about Darren Aronofsky?

01:22:23.440 Yeah.

01:22:24.180 Yeah.

01:22:24.460 Yeah.

01:22:25.080 Well, so he's actually like a Kabbalist.

01:22:27.860 He's into like hardcore Kabbalistic stuff.

01:22:30.540 Okay.

01:22:30.820 So he knows.

01:22:31.780 So his first movie was Pi, and Pi is about Kabbalah.

01:22:36.460 Right.

01:22:37.020 And then, and Gematria.

01:22:38.800 He did Mother as well, right?

01:22:40.700 Oh, really?

01:22:41.060 I don't know.

01:22:42.320 Yeah.

01:22:42.680 That's another freaky one I got to go back.

01:22:44.160 Oh, you said, I thought you said his mother.

01:22:45.860 No, the movie Mother.

01:22:46.640 Yes, correct.

01:22:47.480 Yeah.

01:22:47.840 I was like, I don't know about his mom.

01:22:51.020 Then he did the movie.

01:22:53.680 I did a whole analysis of The Fountain with Rachel Weisz and Hugh Jackman.

01:22:59.060 That's also a Kabbalistic movie.

01:23:01.300 He did Noah.

01:23:01.960 I did an analysis of that a long time ago.

01:23:03.600 And then he did Black Swan, which is like trauma-based mind control.

01:23:08.540 So I think actually of all the, he probably is way more initiated than most of the directors

01:23:16.440 of any of them.

01:23:18.520 Yeah.

01:23:18.700 Because just thinking about what he did with Noah, to me, that's the most important story

01:23:24.260 to be told right now, this idea of the fallen angels.

01:23:28.200 And he's completely taken it and twisted it.

01:23:31.380 Great.

01:23:31.540 It looked really cool, but to twist it that much and then say like, well, it was man all

01:23:38.580 of a sudden, you know how he told the story. 1.00

01:23:40.120 It was man and he tried to kill his kids and all this bullshit. 1.00

01:23:42.520 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:42.880 There was some weird propaganda.

01:23:44.100 There was like vegan propaganda too in that, which is weird. 0.96

01:23:46.660 A lot of weird gay stuff. 0.98

01:23:48.400 But the most important thing was that these fallen angels were given redemption. 0.92

01:23:52.000 It's like, well, that's not what I read.

01:23:53.960 That's not how I heard this thing go down.

01:23:56.280 So what are you telling me?

01:23:58.060 There's no redemption for the fallen angels, right?

01:24:00.080 I mean, I mean, even the book of Enix, right?

01:24:02.240 Like they're not, they're, they're imprisoned to never be set free.

01:24:05.760 Right.

01:24:06.140 Oh, he did Requiem for a Dream too.

01:24:09.380 Somebody in the chat said that.

01:24:10.320 You ever see Requiem for a Dream?

01:24:12.180 Oh, he did that too.

01:24:12.860 I'm familiar with it.

01:24:13.960 Yeah.

01:24:14.140 I mean, I'm only familiar with the one scene.

01:24:16.240 Yeah.

01:24:16.380 Everybody knows that one buck to buck scene.

01:24:18.100 He was up his alley though.

01:24:21.200 That's yeah.

01:24:21.540 That's another kind of mind control, MKUltra dissociation type of movie.

01:24:25.300 Exactly.

01:24:25.780 It's about like drug people addicted to heroin or something. 1.00

01:24:28.620 I just know it's about two chicks jamming a cucumber in their asses or something like 1.00

01:24:32.340 that. 1.00

01:24:32.680 But they're, but the whole, they're druggies, right?

01:24:35.780 So it's, it's like a drug culture movie, like train spotting.

01:24:41.340 That was a hot, like heroin addicts was like a cool topic in the, you know, late nineties,

01:24:46.540 two thousands.

01:24:49.100 There was one other, Oh, I meant to, there was a good tell you guys to watch this movie.

01:24:52.080 It's not a very good movie, but it's a perfect illustration of what we're talking about.

01:24:55.960 It's called altered states.

01:24:58.000 And it's about John C.

01:24:59.320 Lilly and the float tanks and his dissociating and interacting with the entities.

01:25:04.780 Shout out to donut. 0.99

01:25:05.560 That's a Illuminati dolphins.

01:25:08.660 Exactly.

01:25:09.020 Yeah.

01:25:09.460 Um, you know, it's so hard not to think that, you know, in the most conspiratorial of ways,

01:25:16.420 like, were they trying to push an agenda or were they just making happy mistakes and

01:25:20.800 happened to have a lot of this esoteric information and wanted to create something?

01:25:23.820 Or were they trying to move culture?

01:25:25.480 Because it's like, we're talking about, um, the counterculture and the drug movement and

01:25:30.560 the anti-war movement all being co-opted by these three letter agencies and then manufactured 0.99

01:25:35.960 to the great extent that they eventually were these big influential movements over the United

01:25:40.420 States.

01:25:41.420 And we alluded to before, um, the crack epidemic of the eighties and the nineties, um, you know,

01:25:48.380 funding the Iran contra wars, funneling cocaine into the, the hoods, destroying the family 0.73

01:25:53.240 unit, essentially destroying, uh, I'm sorry, the black family unit and destroying black communities 1.00

01:25:58.840 like almost permanently. 0.82

01:26:01.120 Um, and now you look at today, what's going on with this whole diddy thing. 0.98

01:26:05.800 And it's like, Oh, well, diddy's been running this blackmail operation for 30 fucking years. 0.91

01:26:11.760 And that blackmail operation is in hip hop and hip hop has been culturally engineering. 0.98

01:26:17.300 It's been the most culturally impactful movement of the last 30 years.

01:26:23.080 Is it, is that a crazy thing to say?

01:26:24.480 Do you think hip hop as far as the culture that it's embedded or imbued upon America has 0.98

01:26:29.620 been the most influential of any other number one genre of music or fucking anything?

01:26:34.580 I mean, really hip hop is the major driving cultural force.

01:26:39.720 So it's like, you know, we're talking about these directors and whether or not they have

01:26:44.100 malicious intent and you really can't even blame people for going there because none of

01:26:49.060 our culture for the past, everything's been engineered, everything's been created and pushed

01:26:53.600 on us.

01:26:54.280 And you can see exactly what was done and what the ramifications of it were.

01:27:00.060 And like I said, right now we're sitting in the middle of this diddy thing where it's

01:27:02.920 like, everybody's like, oh, did he was doing butt sick stuff? 0.51

01:27:05.640 And it's like, yeah, that's funny.

01:27:08.280 Diddy was engineering the culture of the United States, him and a bunch of other people who

01:27:12.520 haven't been named, right?

01:27:13.660 Because he is this fall guy, right?

01:27:15.480 He's just kind of the flavor of the month.

01:27:18.460 What we're really saying here, guys, is that it's all a fabrication and that the most impactful 0.99

01:27:24.020 driving cultural force of the past 30 years is a fucking fabrication. 0.97

01:27:27.740 And what, what is it, what fruits did it bear? 0.99

01:27:30.700 Well, it destroyed us. 1.00

01:27:32.300 Hip hop fucking destroyed us, man. 1.00

01:27:34.580 Yeah. 1.00

01:27:34.940 Hip hop is fake and gay. 1.00

01:27:36.260 And that's what everybody's like. 0.99

01:27:38.500 Yeah.

01:27:39.500 What? 0.99

01:27:40.460 You mean the most like machismo, you know, genre of sort of music is fake and gay? 1.00

01:27:47.160 Yep. 0.98

01:27:47.740 Sorry.

01:27:48.980 Yeah.

01:27:49.520 I mean, it went global too, right?

01:27:52.960 Like you think about other genres that, I mean, like maybe punk music kind of went global,

01:27:58.740 maybe grunge went kind of a little, but nothing like the way hip hop went global to where,

01:28:04.340 you know, you got Rich Brian, right?

01:28:06.900 You got Chinese rappers.

01:28:08.440 You've got like, I mean, you've got rap is everywhere.

01:28:11.820 So I think you're spot on with that.

01:28:13.900 I mean, one point I would say about how do we, how do we know like when somebody is intentionally

01:28:20.500 doing this propaganda in their movies or something?

01:28:23.380 I think when you look at the blockbusters, I mean, there's actual documentation of, you

01:28:29.500 know, paying to have propaganda in movies.

01:28:33.300 That's there's multiple books on this.

01:28:35.260 I cite books in my, my second Hollywood book on this topic so that we can verify 100% that

01:28:41.020 like the blockbusters almost always have pretty high level propaganda, more weird avant

01:28:45.660 guard stuff that could just be, you know, uh, individual, uh, artists just influenced 0.97

01:28:51.540 by weird demonic shit. 0.90

01:28:52.960 Like I remember when I was an undergrad, I had my, my best friend was getting his degree 0.98

01:28:59.760 in art.

01:29:00.800 And, uh, at the, at the university level, you usually have to do like a, a senior show of

01:29:06.380 for your art, whatever that is.

01:29:08.360 And all the other artists are there as well.

01:29:11.080 And at the same time, uh, my girlfriend at the time, her sister was getting an art degree

01:29:17.040 from Vanderbilt.

01:29:17.820 So she had a show and I remember going to both of these.

01:29:21.100 And what the weird part was that, I mean, obviously none of these people knew each other

01:29:24.460 or anything like that, but all of the undergraduate artists in there, it doesn't matter what medium

01:29:29.780 it was, whether it was photography or whether it was a, like, you know, pencil sketch or whether

01:29:34.380 it was painting or whatever, like it was all demonic.

01:29:38.780 And I just found that to be odd.

01:29:41.660 Like none of these people know each other.

01:29:43.160 They're not like colluding in the same coven.

01:29:45.220 Maybe nowadays they would be part of the same coven, but this is like 2003, four or five,

01:29:49.280 six.

01:29:50.040 And everybody's artwork is like, and they would explain the art in their presentations.

01:29:54.940 Like, well, this is what I was dreaming about.

01:29:57.320 Or this is what, when I was doing LSD, like what came to me and it's all demonic stuff,

01:30:03.000 even to the point of like one whole presentation was on, uh, the sacrifice of a child in Abrasian.

01:30:10.820 Right.

01:30:11.740 So like, here's people that they don't believe in God.

01:30:16.320 They don't have any faith in anything.

01:30:17.640 What's, why are they all being influenced with the same demonic?

01:30:21.740 And some of them would even say like spirits that came to me and influenced me.

01:30:25.440 Like, why is it all demonic?

01:30:27.540 So those people aren't intentionally, you know, part of some CIA plan.

01:30:32.300 They're just influenced by demonic spirits to put out, you know, like just awful, disgusting art.

01:30:39.340 And I think the same thing goes on with, you know, people who are influenced by these powers, uh, uh, these spirits in most arts music as well.

01:30:49.360 And then at a high level, when you get to like the big blockbusters, that's when they're like, okay,

01:30:53.280 we need to intentionally put in the propaganda of, you know, Skittle stuff, uh, you know, anti this country.

01:31:00.220 We need to go to war with this country.

01:31:01.580 I mean, they've been doing that, you know, warfare propaganda forever in movies.

01:31:05.340 So tomorrow we're actually talking to, uh, Ed Mabry again, and I was re listening to our last episode with him.

01:31:13.320 And we were talking about like, uh, he said, he doesn't believe a Christian can be, um, like inhabited or possessed because you're filled with, you're already filled with the spirit.

01:31:24.880 Your body is filled.

01:31:26.440 And, uh, I tend to agree with that, but you were saying, why, why would this person in art school, uh, want to create something?

01:31:34.920 That is glorifying, uh, basically a demon and they don't know.

01:31:39.600 Well, they don't, they're not filled with anything else.

01:31:41.180 So they're kind of an empty vessel for this to pass through and manifest itself in this way.

01:31:46.260 And it's, it's interesting talking about the arts.

01:31:48.200 So we had Arthur Kwan Lee on last week and, uh,

01:31:50.640 Oh yeah.

01:31:50.960 Yeah.

01:31:51.160 We're, we're, we're buddies.

01:31:52.360 We chat.

01:31:53.100 Yeah.

01:31:53.360 His, his reaction or the reaction to his artwork, um, not surprising, but still, uh, eyeopening in that, in that world.

01:32:02.080 Like I've got my wife's, they're, they're famous artists. 0.71

01:32:06.820 So I, I've heard from them and I've seen like what that art world in New York city looks like.

01:32:13.120 Yeah.

01:32:13.700 And it's completely rotten.

01:32:15.100 So it doesn't surprise me, but.

01:32:16.720 Is it a bunch of people doing demonic art?

01:32:20.100 Um, one of, I'll, I'll just say one of the uncles has passed away from, um, uh, suicide.

01:32:27.060 And, and it's, that's how deep it was.

01:32:30.900 So there's a lot going on.

01:32:32.380 I don't, I can't speculate as to what was going on with him, but another uncle that I speak to a lot, he keeps arms distance away from this.

01:32:39.260 And, uh, he's just, you know, he's an artist and this is how he makes his money.

01:32:42.780 He loves doing that.

01:32:44.040 But, uh, it's, it's not a good place to be.

01:32:46.360 Um, you know, it's the industry right now, cause you have, you know, your uncle and, and, uh, Arthur Kwan Lee, it's like real talents.

01:32:57.520 Um, but the industry doesn't want them.

01:32:59.460 Right.

01:33:00.020 Which obviously shows you where their intentions are.

01:33:02.460 It's like, you're, you're only valuable if you're willing to tow the same line that they need you to tow.

01:33:09.540 Yeah.

01:33:10.200 And to go back to the hip hop thing, you can see the exact same thing mirrored there where there has been a real degradation in the quality of hip hop.

01:33:20.360 There's always been a question as to whether or not, uh, poetry over beats was a real, uh, accomplishment.

01:33:26.580 You know, you're removing instruments and things of that nature. 0.91

01:33:28.500 But I mean, people like Kanye West who fell the fuck off.

01:33:31.740 It's not music. 0.96

01:33:32.600 Like I'm a musician.

01:33:34.000 It's different.

01:33:34.200 It's a different music theory.

01:33:36.040 It's not theory, but it is an art form.

01:33:38.320 So.

01:33:38.500 Right.

01:33:38.580 Um, but you know, if you look at the state of the industry right now, it is the Satanism used to be the backdrop.

01:33:51.180 Now it's the leading thing that they come forward with.

01:33:54.960 Yeah.

01:33:55.200 And the artist is no longer talented, um, or even attractive for that matter.

01:33:59.720 If you look at the ice spices and sexy reds.

01:34:01.920 Right.

01:34:02.160 But, um, that tells you pretty much all you need to know where hip hop has reached such a state.

01:34:08.580 That the only thing that is important, which it's taken the mask off is the messaging.

01:34:14.720 And in order for you to push such a blatant message, it is a prerequisite that you are not talented. 1.00

01:34:21.220 Because if you're talented, you can, you can diverge and you can go, no, fuck this. 0.99

01:34:25.180 I'm going to do my own thing. 0.97

01:34:26.160 But if you are some completely talentless, you know, uh, mumble rapper, well, then you depend on the people that are backing you in order for you to stay relevant.

01:34:36.700 You depend on them a hundred percent.

01:34:38.340 And so in order for that, uh, sort of deal to be made, you have to push that agenda, whatever it is.

01:34:44.800 And we've gotten to the point where it's so obvious that hip hop is no longer, the art is no longer a reflection of the culture, but the culture is a reflection of the art.

01:34:54.920 And if, if the art is leading the way, look at what they're pushing now. 0.99

01:34:59.540 I mean, it's like, it's completely debaucherous, worst of the worst shit. 0.98

01:35:04.220 And, and if you do believe that, that engineer, you know, hip hop is engineering much more than just the black community now, look what they're trying to turn you into. 1.00

01:35:13.540 They're trying to turn you into a face tattooed, debaucherous, fucking demonic little retard. 1.00

01:35:19.700 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:20.040 Uh, and that is, and now they're pulling the curtain off and they're like, and by the way, they were butt fucking. 0.99

01:35:26.060 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:26.460 By the way, you know, uh, yeah, like Lil Nas X is, is gay humping on the devil, right? 0.99

01:35:33.320 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:34.360 It's wild out here.

01:35:35.300 Listen, uh, Jay, we're coming up on an hour and a half and I want to respect your time.

01:35:39.300 I do have a question for you.

01:35:40.900 I don't know if David does. 1.00

01:35:42.240 This is a stupid question. 1.00

01:35:43.880 Um, I w I was in a Greek Orthodox church for my, my best friend's wedding. 1.00

01:35:47.600 And I saw like a lot of the artwork I'm, I'm paying attention to all the artwork.

01:35:51.560 I'm paying attention to the curvature of, of like this.

01:35:55.320 I don't even know, like this church that we're in, I guess it's a church and temple.

01:35:58.700 I'm paying attention to how they, they end all of their,

01:36:02.860 their like chants as they're talking with like a round sound, like an ohm, almost.

01:36:07.800 It's like, it's, it's very hard to explain what was going on from somebody who's, it was

01:36:12.600 my first time experiencing it.

01:36:13.780 But one of the things that stuck out to me was, uh, this hand symbol here where it's

01:36:17.900 like a ring finger thumb and it's like, everyone's doing this or most, most of the, the people

01:36:24.900 in the art are doing like, they're showing you like, well, what the hell does that mean?

01:36:28.540 Haven't been able to find out yet.

01:36:30.500 Well, usually, uh, like if you see a blessing like this, this is the supposed to be the father,

01:36:37.640 son, Holy spirit.

01:36:38.160 This is the Trinity and this is supposed to represent the two natures of Christ.

01:36:42.180 And so likewise, when we do the cross, we do the name of the father, son, Holy spirit.

01:36:46.500 We're doing something very similar.

01:36:48.120 We're supposed to signify the Trinity and the two natures.

01:36:51.500 So if you join an Orthodox church, you'll usually be catechized.

01:36:56.120 And that just means you're in, it's usually a period of like six months to, depends on your

01:37:00.920 priest, what he decides.

01:37:01.960 It might be three years for some people, but, um, you'll learn a lot of that kind of stuff

01:37:06.120 and the meaning of the symbols and every icon in the Orthodox church is usually rife with

01:37:11.260 symbolism.

01:37:11.740 So there there's the colors have a significance, the, the placement and the icon is a significance.

01:37:17.420 Um, um, but usually it's just teaching the basics of Orthodox theology is probably, probably

01:37:24.980 80% of the symbolism and iconography is just to, to convey our theological beliefs.

01:37:30.100 Cause we believe unlike Roman Catholics, we think that there's a very, there's very strict, 1.00

01:37:35.740 uh, rules about how you can do icons.

01:37:38.820 You can't, um, for example, you can't paint Jesus as a black dude or, uh, uh, an Asian

01:37:45.160 dude.

01:37:45.620 And the reason for that is because Jesus has to be a Hebrew, right? 0.94

01:37:49.740 He can't be something that he wasn't historically.

01:37:52.920 And we would say it's Gnostic to divorce Christ from his Hebrew lineage. 0.99

01:37:57.780 So he has to look the way that he does.

01:37:59.800 And pretty much all Orthodox icons, um, in the Roman Catholic church is very different.

01:38:04.480 They don't see icons as having a specific liturgical significance.

01:38:09.220 And by that, I mean like the actual ordered worship service.

01:38:12.400 Um, they see it more like religious art.

01:38:15.280 So for us, it's not religious art.

01:38:17.560 It's very different.

01:38:18.880 I'm not, I'm not calling into question.

01:38:20.900 It's like instruction almost.

01:38:22.360 It is.

01:38:23.060 It's a form of catechesis and theological instruction.

01:38:25.780 So, uh, in Roman Catholic world, it's very different.

01:38:28.560 You can have, you know, just weird stuff at the Vatican where like, you know, God is like

01:38:34.260 a big naked old man with a beard touching Adam. 0.84

01:38:38.580 Um, we, we don't think you're actually supposed to paint an image of God, the father at all.

01:38:42.900 So, uh, sometimes people violate that, but strictly speaking, in Orthodoxy, you're not supposed

01:38:47.820 to have images of God, the father.

01:38:49.640 Um, that's because Jesus says in the gospels, no one sees the father at any time.

01:38:53.140 And so for us, you know, Jesus goes on to say, uh, if you've seen me, you've seen the

01:38:58.160 father.

01:38:58.920 Paul says that he is the icon of the hypostasis of the father in Hebrews one.

01:39:03.800 So really the only legitimate image in our view of the father is the person of the son.

01:39:09.980 So, um, anyway, those are just some examples of how, uh, the Orthodox position on icons is

01:39:15.780 way different than, than Roman Catholics. 0.61

01:39:19.260 I see.

01:39:19.960 And one more thing, when they're reading the scripture, they're reading.

01:39:23.140 And then they'll say like, we're reading it from the book of Matthew, this kind of thing.

01:39:28.480 It's like a droning, but I'm, I'm sure that you are, uh, putting me under some type of

01:39:34.620 a spell when you, when you speak in a certain cadence.

01:39:37.080 So what is that about?

01:39:38.300 This is just actually, uh, inherited from the Hebrew tradition of chanting.

01:39:42.820 So a lot of what you see in the Orthodox worship service is a direct parallel from the

01:39:48.660 Jewish temple service and synagogue service.

01:39:51.100 So in our view, what the apostles did and, and when they went out and set up the churches,

01:39:56.020 they didn't, uh, in scripture, we don't have an actual worship service, but we know that

01:40:02.820 the Jews and even Jesus himself, like when he would go to synagogue, when we go to worship,

01:40:06.900 there was already an existing, very ordered and structured, uh, way to do worship.

01:40:12.280 For example, you have antiphonal singing, uh, you notice this, uh, for example, when Isaiah

01:40:16.800 and Isaiah six, when he sees them to heaven, he sees the, the seraphim up there doing holy,

01:40:22.400 holy, holy, they're doing a kind of chant.

01:40:24.780 Um, Israel had through David's Psalms.

01:40:27.800 Those are actually to be sung within the temple worship.

01:40:31.680 That was David's intent with a lot of those Psalms.

01:40:34.040 So they're actually part of a structured worship service.

01:40:36.820 And we think that when the apostles set up the churches, they, although it's not in scripture,

01:40:42.480 they gave us a tradition of taking elements of the temple service elements of the synagogue

01:40:48.020 system that existed, and then giving a basic structure for what we in the Orthodox church

01:40:53.360 think is still the exact same worship that the first, second, third century church did.

01:40:58.160 And if you read somebody like Justin Martyr, for example, in his, uh, in his writings,

01:41:03.820 most famous of which would be his debate with Trifo, the Jew, uh, and his, uh, uh, apology, 0.54

01:41:10.020 his apologetic, he describes the worship service of the church in like 150 AD where he was.

01:41:15.380 And very, it's very similar.

01:41:17.000 All the same basics of the Orthodox worship service today is still there.

01:41:20.220 So the chanting element is just an, uh, uh, a thing that came out of the Hebrew tradition.

01:41:25.340 Um, Jews have people, like if you went to a synagogue service, a lot of times they have

01:41:30.360 what's called a cantor, uh, you know, the, the name cantor amongst Jews comes from the

01:41:34.660 cantor that the guy who's chanting, uh, the, the songs.

01:41:39.000 And so like David's Psalms are meant to be chanted like that.

01:41:44.160 Ah, okay, perfect.

01:41:45.580 Thank, thank you for clearing.

01:41:47.220 If you want to go deeper into that, which by the way, it touches on, uh, your question

01:41:50.580 about the hope's hat and stuff.

01:41:53.120 Um, there's my buddy Lewis, uh, from Orthodox shahada.

01:41:57.380 He made a whole documentary.

01:41:58.380 That's really good.

01:41:59.500 It's called, uh, it's called old Testament worship, uh, and the Orthodox church.

01:42:05.540 And it's basically showing all of these parallels of the way, uh, the Orthodox church is basically,

01:42:11.660 we, we believe it's like the, the real Judaism, so to speak, not Babylonian Talmudic Judaism,

01:42:18.200 but like the authentic Hebrew tradition that Jesus wanted his church to have.

01:42:23.340 We think that's what the Orthodox church is.

01:42:26.460 Interesting, man.

01:42:27.280 You know, I, I'm going to have to go back and re-listen to this entire episode and put

01:42:30.960 like, cause you've linked us to a bunch of stuff.

01:42:33.300 I have, uh, your Twitter page linked in the bio.

01:42:36.140 So when we release this, I will go back and like, try my best to put all this stuff in

01:42:41.420 because I'm sure people will want to pause.

01:42:43.060 Um, I'll send you a few links.

01:42:44.440 Like I can remember, like, do you want like a link to all the stuff or just some of the

01:42:48.000 main things that we talked about?

01:42:49.360 I can send you links.

01:42:50.700 Whatever you can remember.

01:42:52.380 Just put it in there.

01:42:53.380 Yeah.

01:42:55.900 Um, you know, I do have one final question and you don't have to go into super depth about

01:43:00.360 it, but, uh, I.

01:43:03.300 I was wondering if you could explain the significance of the Trinity because I've, I literally have

01:43:08.460 one tattooed on my body that I tattooed when I was like 15 years old and I have such a limited

01:43:13.440 understanding of the Trinity that it just feels retarded to be walking around like this. 0.96

01:43:18.140 So, um, what, what is the significance of it?

01:43:21.240 I mean, I know it's the father and the son and the Holy spirit, but that's about the extent

01:43:24.480 of my, my knowledge.

01:43:25.780 Why is this an important, uh, symbol?

01:43:28.140 Yeah.

01:43:28.620 Um, yeah, one thing you'll notice in the Orthodox church is very different from even

01:43:32.080 the Catholic church and very different from the Protestant church is like everything is 1.00

01:43:36.500 triadic.

01:43:37.180 Everything is Trinitarian.

01:43:38.700 There's a lot of threes.

01:43:40.200 There's a lot of triplicities.

01:43:41.920 Um, everything is triadic and Trinitarian. 0.70

01:43:44.260 That's because for us, that's the most important doctrine.

01:43:47.040 So for us, the number one, absolute most important doctrine is the Trinity.

01:43:51.160 That's why we couldn't be Roman Catholics because there's not just the issue of the Pope.

01:43:56.800 There's also the issue of the filioque, which we think is a Trinitarian deviation.

01:44:02.080 So, you know, other groups that we could never agree with like Muslims or those witnesses, 1.00

01:44:06.320 they see the second person of the Godhead Jesus as a, as a person who was created.

01:44:12.340 We think he's the eternal son of God.

01:44:14.800 And although his human nature is created as a divine person, he's not created.

01:44:19.600 He was, he was always there.

01:44:21.660 As John one says that he was always in the bosom of the father.

01:44:25.080 Uh, I was in the beginning with the word, the words with God, the word was God.

01:44:27.820 So he's the eternal second person of the Godhead, the Holy spirit as well.

01:44:31.680 Um, an easy approach to why this is, we think the actual old Testament teaching is the debate

01:44:38.640 that I did with, uh, the Muslim Daniel Hakikachu. 0.60

01:44:41.740 If you go to that debate, um, the, my opening presentation is just about a 10 minute presentation

01:44:47.660 on how the old Testament is, is a doctrine.

01:44:50.800 The old Testament teaches the Trinity.

01:44:52.400 So for us, that's who God is.

01:44:53.960 And we think that's the number one doctrine.

01:44:58.040 Hmm.

01:44:58.820 All right.

01:44:59.340 That was actually, uh, uh, pretty clarifying.

01:45:03.300 Um, my dog's freaking out over there.

01:45:04.940 Hope you guys can hear that.

01:45:06.100 You didn't shoot him yet.

01:45:06.480 I thought you were supposed to shoot him. 1.00

01:45:07.300 I'm going to shoot him right after this. 1.00

01:45:09.140 That's weird. 1.00

01:45:09.640 Give me a break, David.

01:45:11.600 Jay, thank you for, uh, thanks for coming on, man.

01:45:14.780 Um, I, it's been a kind of a long time coming.

01:45:17.180 We had a little touch and go there, but, uh, I'm glad that I'm glad that we, we got this

01:45:21.860 done.

01:45:22.120 This is a great conversation.

01:45:23.300 It's exactly, by the way, I figured, I figured, I appreciate you guys having, I figured out

01:45:26.040 what happened there.

01:45:27.160 So when I, when I looked at, when I looked at the podcast name, I saw that XG was following

01:45:33.820 it.

01:45:34.800 Cause he was like the first one that popped up as a follower.

01:45:37.120 So I assumed that that was his podcast and I had not really paid attention to your Twitter,

01:45:41.920 nothing against you, but like, I typically don't watch it for the best.

01:45:44.780 Like, I don't, I don't typically pay attention to who's like tweeting what.

01:45:47.840 Cause I'll get wrapped up in a lot of nonsense.

01:45:50.160 So I assumed that you were XG and I thought that this was his podcast, but I wasn't avoiding

01:45:55.000 the podcast because I thought, oh, well, it's not his podcast.

01:45:58.540 Screw those guys.

01:45:59.220 No, it wasn't that at all. 0.95

01:46:00.900 Then there was a misunderstanding.

01:46:02.080 Cause I didn't know you guys were jokesters. 0.99

01:46:04.140 I thought you were like trying to start shit. 1.00

01:46:05.840 And I was like, why are you trying to start shit? 1.00

01:46:07.380 You want to have a podcast? 0.99

01:46:08.380 Let's do it.

01:46:08.980 Like, but then I did, then I realized you're jokesters. 1.00

01:46:10.960 And then I realized, okay, I was being an idiot and a retard. 0.96

01:46:13.500 So, uh, I apologize to you guys. 0.94

01:46:15.420 So that was my misunderstanding.

01:46:17.020 I liked it better.

01:46:18.040 Jay, when you thought that he just looked like XG that, and then I like, I like it even 1.00

01:46:24.980 better when you realize that we weren't XG and you were like, fuck those guys. 1.00

01:46:30.180 That is way better. 0.99

01:46:31.640 Well, on Twitter, you have like a cartoon outline, right?

01:46:37.440 Yeah.

01:46:37.740 Yeah.

01:46:38.020 Of your head.

01:46:38.800 And I was like, is that XG?

01:46:40.780 It kind of does.

01:46:41.900 As we, as we, we've dissected it and, and XG was on the show where we were on a show with

01:46:46.240 him and I'm looking at him.

01:46:47.580 Like I could see how he sort of, you see these, these are my lesbian glasses. 0.93

01:46:52.920 And if I don't have my lesbian reading glasses on, I just see like a blur, dude. 0.96

01:46:57.640 I can't really see what that is.

01:46:58.920 So amazing.

01:47:00.820 Amazing.

01:47:01.140 Anyway, listen, dude, I'm glad that we could make it happen.

01:47:03.340 And, uh, thank you for spreading this knowledge on us.

01:47:06.620 Like very appreciative again, super fan and, uh, anytime, anytime.

01:47:13.140 Absolutely.

01:47:13.720 All right, guys, uh, we'll catch you tomorrow.

01:47:16.320 I think we might be live again with Ed.

01:47:18.500 Maybe we're going through the entire book of revelation.

01:47:20.480 This is going to be a task.

01:47:21.780 It's going to be probably weeks and weeks of doing this, but tomorrow's episode one

01:47:26.420 installment one.

01:47:27.040 So be there to check it out.

01:47:28.820 Peace out guys.

01:47:29.380 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:47:36.020 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:47:39.780 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see,

01:47:44.860 because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:47:52.860 And they have.

01:47:53.660 Peace out.

01:47:53.720 Peace out.

01:47:59.380 Peace out.

01:48:01.640 Peace out.

01:48:02.820 Peace out.

01:48:03.380 Peace out.

01:48:03.960 Peace out.

01:48:05.720 Peace out.

01:48:06.060 Peace out.

01:48:08.020 Peace out.

01:48:08.040 Peace out.

01:48:09.120 Peace out.

01:48:09.880 Peace out.

01:48:10.020 Peace out.

01:48:10.260 Peace out.

01:48:11.320 Peace out.

01:48:12.020 Peace out.

01:48:12.260 Peace out.

01:48:13.080 Peace out.

Nephilim Death Squad - May 03, 2024

038： Christian Orthodoxy w Jay Dyer

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