Nephilim Death Squad - 041： God & Liberty w⧸ Dave Smith and Clint Russell

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00:01:53.140 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:02:03.400 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:02:08.060 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:02:16.500 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely huge.

00:02:22.280 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

00:02:23.600 There's some Nephilim shit. 1.00

00:02:25.200 It's like we all know it's going down. 1.00

00:02:27.380 But no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave. 1.00

00:02:30.900 Motherf***ers, they're controlling this now. 1.00

00:02:32.580 And no one's talking about it. 1.00

00:02:33.980 Man, it's gotta be slaves.

00:02:35.720 And everybody's just walking around.

00:02:37.820 Heading to clouds.

00:02:38.500 I want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

00:02:40.940 But it's too late.

00:02:41.920 We need to be ready to raise up.

00:02:43.740 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:45.500 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:46.940 Only some are aware that the government releases...

00:02:49.340 Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:56.100 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:02:59.340 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:03:02.880 Before we get into today's guest, Top has a quick announcement to make.

00:03:07.420 Yes.

00:03:08.040 So, as always, TopLobster.com.

00:03:10.480 Go there. 1.00

00:03:11.040 Buy some shit. 1.00

00:03:11.700 But we recently got a date for Bohemian Grove. 1.00

00:03:16.980 So, that's really important to our listeners.

00:03:20.060 And it's like, it couldn't have came on, like, a better day than we have, like, such a big guest.

00:03:23.980 So, October 25th and the 26th, it's going to be... 1.00

00:03:27.780 Big guest, you fuck. 1.00

00:03:30.440 Was that singular? 1.00

00:03:31.800 Dude, was that singular?

00:03:33.440 Unbelievably disrespectful.

00:03:35.300 Clint was a pity invite.

00:03:36.500 I was like, yo, Clint, we got dates.

00:03:38.460 I was like, I know how much you love to talk about dating.

00:03:40.680 He asked us.

00:03:41.700 Didn't he ask us?

00:03:43.200 He did.

00:03:43.760 He was like, please, please, please, please.

00:03:45.620 I ignored him.

00:03:46.080 I ignored him.

00:03:46.540 And I was like, fine, this is pitiful.

00:03:47.960 But all right, you're on it.

00:03:49.140 No, that's true.

00:03:49.560 Two big guests.

00:03:49.920 That's how it happened.

00:03:51.900 Awesome.

00:03:52.360 So, the 25th and the 26th, is it?

00:03:54.260 Was that a Saturday?

00:03:55.820 24th and the 25th.

00:03:56.940 It's going to be a live podcast.

00:03:58.800 And then it'll be...

00:04:00.440 We'll have an exclamation point at the second night with a live stand-up comedy.

00:04:04.820 We're working on all the stand-up comedians.

00:04:06.820 And there's some big ones in there.

00:04:08.160 So, that's it.

00:04:09.080 Triple E.

00:04:09.660 Let's go.

00:04:10.540 It's going to be a banger, guys.

00:04:11.940 So, look forward to Bohemian Grove.

00:04:13.300 Wait for those tickets to drop.

00:04:14.840 We'll make an announcement when they do.

00:04:16.680 So, today's guest.

00:04:18.540 This is going to be an awesome episode.

00:04:21.100 And I'm sure it's going to go all over the place.

00:04:23.100 Today, we are joined by Dave Smith and Clint Russell.

00:04:27.020 Two men that really don't need any introduction.

00:04:29.000 But it's kind of what we do here.

00:04:30.280 So, I'm going to make you do it anyway.

00:04:31.440 Dave Smith.

00:04:32.320 Can you let the people know where it is they can find your work?

00:04:36.360 Sure.

00:04:36.720 ComicDaveSmith.com is my website.

00:04:39.500 And part of the problem is my podcast and Legion of Skanks.

00:04:43.280 And I'm at ComicDaveSmith on Twitter.

00:04:46.860 Well, top's gone.

00:04:48.980 Top didn't like that.

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00:04:57.040 Liberty Lockdown on YouTube, Rumble, everywhere else.

00:04:59.240 Let's get into it.

00:05:00.340 Awesome.

00:05:01.020 Recovers.

00:05:01.580 He'll be all right.

00:05:02.180 I'm sure he's beating his kids or something like that.

00:05:04.880 So, I mean, this is...

00:05:06.520 Very Christian of him.

00:05:07.560 It is.

00:05:07.980 Well, I think that's in the Bible, if I'm not mistaken.

00:05:10.400 I'm not sure which verse.

00:05:12.060 But this is coming right off the back of two really fascinating things.

00:05:16.460 Dave, I don't know if you know how this show goes.

00:05:18.300 But we're kind of like unhinged, schizophrenic people who happen to have enough charisma to kind of carry a show.

00:05:27.480 I'll be the judge of that.

00:05:28.580 Yeah, we'll see how it goes.

00:05:30.640 One of the things that's very interesting that's happened lately, besides your interaction with Cuomo, which I thought was fantastic on the Patrick Bet David podcast, but also Clint Russell having talked to...

00:05:44.300 What was it, Clint?

00:05:44.920 She was a Pfizer whistleblower of 10 years she worked there?

00:05:49.460 Yeah.

00:05:49.900 Yeah.

00:05:50.160 She was in, like, safety.

00:05:52.160 And she came on the show.

00:05:55.160 She's been on a bunch of big shows. 0.99

00:05:56.960 And what she had to say fucking was pretty shocking. 0.98

00:05:59.960 And this is coming from someone who has followed, obviously, the COVID hysteria for years. 0.98

00:06:05.140 But her description of the vaccines and how people on the production supply line were crying as they realized what they had put in their bodies was...

00:06:12.860 This was on your show, Clint?

00:06:14.540 Yeah.

00:06:14.980 Yeah.

00:06:15.180 It was only...

00:06:16.060 I couldn't put it on YouTube.

00:06:17.140 So it's Rumble.

00:06:17.900 So most people...

00:06:18.660 Okay.

00:06:18.700 Most people haven't even seen it, unfortunately, but, yeah, it was crazy.

00:06:22.020 It was actually pretty harrowing, the idea that...

00:06:24.720 And I know she said that there wasn't a tremendous amount of people in the room, but that half of them were crying after seeing something, a reaction that caused the inoculation to glow.

00:06:36.580 Yeah, to glow.

00:06:37.700 So pretty damning.

00:06:39.200 And the people that were crying were actually people that had had these things in them.

00:06:42.720 They had actually received the vaccine.

00:06:44.100 But one of the more fascinating things that happened during that episode, especially for me to watch it happen to Clint, because from where we've been sitting...

00:06:54.100 It was nuts.

00:06:56.060 It really was.

00:06:56.920 I was watching your reaction.

00:06:58.700 Initially, when she said it, your face didn't change.

00:07:00.780 So, Dave, what ends up happening is during this interview, Clint says, well, it doesn't seem to me that the vaccine was meant to protect us from the virus.

00:07:12.180 But it also doesn't seem...

00:07:14.180 And I'm paraphrasing. 0.95

00:07:14.920 I'm going to fuck some of this up. 0.98

00:07:15.780 But it also doesn't seem that this is about money, because they can print the money, right? 0.90

00:07:20.020 Money doesn't seem to be an issue here.

00:07:22.380 I don't think this was for monetary gains.

00:07:24.500 And he asked her, in her opinion, what the purpose of it was.

00:07:28.440 And first she started by saying, what's your religious background?

00:07:32.200 And then she followed it up by saying, this is about the Nephilim, which you've already seen the name of the show, Nephilim Death Squad.

00:07:41.000 We've been kind of harping at Clint for the longest time now about the return of the biblical entities known as the Nephilim and the implications that that's going to have on our reality.

00:07:54.620 And so Nephilim has, and I want to start the show off this way, really been injected into the culture.

00:08:03.040 I kind of want to say that that's because of me and Top.

00:08:07.540 I mean, not for nothing, but at least the conversation on Twitter got rolling in a certain direction.

00:08:12.360 So I want to...

00:08:12.920 It didn't have anything to do with Tucker Carlson saying it on Joe Rogan.

00:08:15.520 It's because of your show, for sure.

00:08:16.940 No, we were saying it before.

00:08:18.060 We were saying it well before. 0.97

00:08:19.760 We went on your gay show.

00:08:21.380 But is there a link there between you guys saying it and Tucker saying it on Rogan's podcast?

00:08:26.380 I think so.

00:08:27.880 We were saying it. 1.00

00:08:29.160 We were saying this shit, and then it... 1.00

00:08:31.940 Do you remember the Las Vegas aliens? 1.00

00:08:34.380 This is a good point.

00:08:35.620 Aliens in Las Vegas.

00:08:36.500 Top, you sound like you're not coming out of your microphone.

00:08:38.800 Dude, I don't think I am.

00:08:40.620 Hold on.

00:08:41.080 Are you not?

00:08:41.360 I mean, it's not awful, but...

00:08:43.860 No, I think you just got to turn your gain up a little bit.

00:08:45.760 People always complain.

00:08:46.740 It's because I shout.

00:08:47.900 That doesn't help.

00:08:48.400 Can you hear me now?

00:08:49.280 You sound great, dude.

00:08:50.780 It just sounds a little quiet.

00:08:51.720 It's the same.

00:08:52.200 They're subverting you in real time.

00:08:54.220 No, it sounds a little quiet.

00:08:55.380 I'm trying to help.

00:08:55.940 I mean, if we were Nephilim, this is what we'd be saying. 0.93

00:08:57.920 That's right.

00:08:58.100 That's right.

00:08:58.400 That doesn't mean we necessarily are.

00:09:00.140 You guys might be, because this never happens.

00:09:02.520 I just went on. 0.97

00:09:03.260 My roadcaster just, like, shit out, turned off. 0.98

00:09:05.780 Is that what happened? 0.99

00:09:06.900 Yes.

00:09:07.300 We are.

00:09:08.000 Unbelievable.

00:09:08.860 We also are pretty gigantic compared to you.

00:09:11.100 Yeah, Dave and I are both 6'1", basically Nephilim.

00:09:13.400 Dude, I'm basically a baby.

00:09:14.620 I'm 5'7", and every time I see Clint, he cradles me in his arms.

00:09:18.560 I think you guys might just be short.

00:09:21.000 That just might be the whole thing here.

00:09:22.480 We're not actually giants.

00:09:23.880 You're just short.

00:09:24.780 Our entire narrative is falling apart in real time.

00:09:27.100 I don't want to talk about that.

00:09:28.240 All right, look.

00:09:28.800 I want to pull this up, because I think this is fascinating.

00:09:30.720 Well, actually, to Top's point, you want to finish that point?

00:09:32.960 Because you were talking about these aliens in Vegas.

00:09:35.200 So, they were aliens in Vegas, and they were, like, 10-foot aliens or 8-foot aliens or something,

00:09:40.540 and it was reported.

00:09:42.080 The cops got involved.

00:09:43.020 There was body cam footage, and they just kept harping on, like, 10-foot aliens. 0.99

00:09:47.500 Then, a couple months later, we just start saying Nephilim shit, but, like, I've been trying 0.99

00:09:51.540 to, like, meme this into the zeitgeist. 0.99

00:09:53.700 Then, the Miami incident happens, right by Clint, and now they're 10-foot Nephilim.

00:09:58.780 Now, instead of aliens, they're calling them Nephilim.

00:10:00.820 So, the vernacular has changed, something happened in the culture that was ready to switch,

00:10:05.200 and then Tucker Carlson comes, like, a couple months after that, talking about it.

00:10:09.140 And he's talking about it again more recently, which we wanted to also bring up with you. 0.99

00:10:12.540 How do you feel about this shit, Dave? 0.99

00:10:17.440 I think that, so, I'm very skeptical about, like, any of the shit that comes out. 0.99

00:10:24.440 Because so much of the shit, you know, like, the UFO stuff, they wouldn't use the term, 0.99

00:10:28.760 but, you know, it comes from the Pentagon, the Defense Department, all this stuff. 0.98

00:10:35.140 I don't know, I don't know the specific videos you're talking about, but I'm kind of like,

00:10:40.840 dude, we all got HD cameras in our pockets at this point. 0.99

00:10:44.560 I'll start taking things seriously when I see some real fucking conclusive video of this shit. 1.00

00:10:48.900 You don't understand, Dave. 0.99

00:10:49.900 They have an organic capability to emit something called ultrasound.

00:10:53.260 It causes a vibrational disturbance that you can't, even when you look at them, they look blurry, right?

00:10:57.520 So, anytime that, like, a conspiracy is built around the obvious objection to it,

00:11:02.260 that's just immediately dismissed by me.

00:11:05.120 But what I will say is that, and I've come to believe this more as I've gotten older,

00:11:13.000 that Tucker's whole point about how basically everyone outside of post-World War II,

00:11:18.860 American and Western European societies, have always accepted as a, like, point of obvious truth

00:11:25.720 that there is a spiritual component to life and that we interact with this spiritual component

00:11:32.240 and there are forces of good and forces of evil, I think that is 100% true.

00:11:37.060 I don't, in terms of any of these, like, physical manifestations of it,

00:11:41.520 I, I'm, my starting point is to be a skeptic, and I've yet to hear anything that's, like, overwhelmed that.

00:11:47.780 So, when you hear, and I want to play it, actually.

00:11:50.400 Wait, the physical manifestations of it are not the important part.

00:11:53.400 It's the, like, like Tucker was saying, everybody up until 1945 and up until 1945 till now

00:12:00.400 was aware that there was a spiritual realm and that there was some kind of spiritual battle going on,

00:12:04.920 and now we act as if, like, no big deal.

00:12:07.620 Well, it's, like, because it's the other side to the coin, by the way, of just believing in God,

00:12:11.860 and it almost never comes up, right?

00:12:13.620 Like, the, the way people think about it is, like, do you believe in God or do you not believe in God?

00:12:17.660 You're either an atheist or you're a religious person.

00:12:20.160 But believing in God is, like, a double-sided coin.

00:12:23.940 When you believe in God, you almost always also believe in some type of, like, evil spirit.

00:12:31.060 Even if your religion doesn't have, like, hell, per se, in it, like, Judaism or something like that, 1.00

00:12:36.120 if you believe in God, you still believe there's things God wants you to do,

00:12:40.540 and therefore, if you don't do them, you're in a bad position.

00:12:44.220 It's, like, believing in God also requires this belief in, like, the evil and the darkness.

00:12:50.440 And that's the other thing missing, I think, from the atheist worldview that rarely comes up,

00:12:54.860 is that it's not just God.

00:12:56.620 It's God versus, like, despair.

00:12:59.820 I think this is where you and that guy got caught up.

00:13:03.340 I listened to him.

00:13:04.100 Oh, uh, what's his name? 1.00

00:13:05.780 Fucking, whatever. 0.99

00:13:06.780 Andrew. 1.00

00:13:07.620 Let me ask you something, Dave.

00:13:08.700 Do you own yourself?

00:13:10.540 Yes, I do.

00:13:12.340 Answer the question, Dave. 1.00

00:13:13.480 Answer the goddamn question, dude. 1.00

00:13:15.380 Well, yeah. 1.00

00:13:17.100 We could talk about that debate if you want to.

00:13:20.420 I mean, look, I definitely didn't do a great job in it.

00:13:24.480 I probably had one of my worst debate performances.

00:13:30.300 I don't, part of it is on me.

00:13:32.980 Part of it is just that I found the thing so bad faith and tedious,

00:13:37.120 and I just wasn't in the mood, which rarely, like, happens to me.

00:13:41.600 But it's just, like, the whole thing was, like, I don't really care to do this.

00:13:45.120 It happened to me a couple months ago, an immigration debate that turned into talking about whether or not the, like, 0.84

00:13:51.960 Pakistanis should allow Afghanistan refugees, and they wanted to fucking apply libertarian theory to it. 1.00

00:13:57.020 And I was just like, you know what? 1.00

00:13:58.700 Fuck it. 1.00

00:13:59.940 Well, I don't even want to have this conversation with you. 1.00

00:14:02.280 I just don't care.

00:14:03.340 Well, that guy was so disrespectful.

00:14:04.880 And it's like, if I was you, I would have signed off.

00:14:07.240 I couldn't get past the first 30 minutes.

00:14:08.820 Try to do it twice in, like, preparation to talk about it.

00:14:10.660 Well, you know what happens is if he signs off, it's all of a sudden it's a win.

00:14:14.680 It's I defeated Dave Smith.

00:14:16.320 He ran away.

00:14:17.260 And it's like, oh, God.

00:14:18.200 I came pretty close at one point.

00:14:21.500 And what he was doing was, and, you know, it's a funny thing because I just basically, in a sense, I was like,

00:14:27.680 I was like, dude, are we doing this or what? 0.51

00:14:29.500 I don't really fucking care if we are.

00:14:31.820 And the problem with that, and I've learned this lesson before, is that for audiences, 0.96

00:14:36.320 you have to hold their hand and give them a narrative.

00:14:39.300 And I didn't do that. 0.99

00:15:09.300 In the debate, and that allowed enough of his people to go, oh, you got fucking destroyed or whatever, 0.95

00:15:15.200 which really never happens to me in debate. 0.97

00:15:17.960 So I'll give him that.

00:15:19.280 He gave his base enough that they could say that and he could claim it or whatever.

00:15:23.560 But the truth is that if you actually look at the arguments, I mean, I felt like I actually kind of exposed this whole thing with a few follow-up questions that he just completely dodged.

00:15:34.540 I just wasn't, like, prosecuting the case like a dick and I wasn't going to interrupt him and ask him the same questions over and over.

00:15:41.080 But, like, there were a few points. 0.94

00:15:42.140 It's like immediately he asked the question of, like, how – I said, yes, I own myself.

00:15:47.200 And he goes, demonstrate it or prove it or something like that. 0.99

00:15:50.340 What do you do, stand up and do a fucking backflip? 0.98

00:15:52.420 Well, it's like a – it's a very clunky, goofy thing to claim. 0.99

00:15:56.400 Like, if – like, I own my house and no one would dispute that.

00:15:59.120 But if you just went, demonstrate it, I'd be like, what?

00:16:01.580 Do I have to get a deed?

00:16:03.160 Does the deed – do you know that this is a real deed?

00:16:05.360 Do you know?

00:16:05.720 I don't know.

00:16:06.560 Show me the title.

00:16:07.960 And so – but, you know, and then I asked him at one point if he owned the guitar behind him.

00:16:12.660 And he was like, yeah.

00:16:13.560 And I was like, demonstrate it.

00:16:15.340 And he had nothing.

00:16:16.340 He had no response.

00:16:17.060 So he also had no – but I just kind of let that go because I was like, isn't this obvious to anyone watching that that kind of blows up his whole thing?

00:16:23.420 It also feels very gay to play the same game. 0.70

00:16:25.880 I also – I will say, look, as someone who used to be an atheist who now believes in God, it's an interesting perspective for people who are that.

00:16:36.280 You kind of have the perspective of an atheist and then you also have the perspective of being a believer.

00:16:41.840 That being said, belief can – especially in these type of Christian debates – can really become a cop-out from a debate where now you're like, oh, see, you have the task of demonstrating your ownership.

00:16:54.900 And then if I go, well, how do you demonstrate anything?

00:16:57.260 I can just say divine intervention and therefore I don't have to have anything else to say.

00:17:02.500 And it's like, yeah, that's not really a debate.

00:17:04.240 You kind of still have to have an argument.

00:17:06.280 I also – by the way, I thought the thing on taxes I thought he had no real position for.

00:17:12.960 But he was doing a thing where – and this is the point where I almost left the conversation.

00:17:16.980 Is he asked me – the question he asked me was like something along the lines of – I'd have to go back and rewatch it.

00:17:24.420 It was something close to like how can you say something is immoral?

00:17:28.160 Like it was like how can you have morality, which is a fairly deep question.

00:17:35.580 You know what I mean?

00:17:36.160 Like you're – like this isn't like we're having any type of tangible debate exactly.

00:17:40.060 We're getting way into like kind of abstract core fundamental first principles.

00:17:45.220 And then I went to start asking that and he interrupts with the question again and then interrupts with the question again. 0.95

00:17:51.820 And that's when I was just like, dude, like if we're going to do this, if you're going to ask a deep question like that, you got to give someone 45 seconds before you fucking interrupt them again.

00:18:01.000 Like let me – so that was just to me it was kind of like this is tedious and seems kind of bad faith and that's it.

00:18:08.060 I have a question aside from the debate itself.

00:18:11.000 Sure.

00:18:11.760 But I was just very curious from my vantage point.

00:18:15.320 I was surprised that you didn't defend some of the more unpopular libertarian positions.

00:18:22.300 And I felt like – go ahead, Chuck.

00:18:24.140 Sure.

00:18:24.940 It's a good question because we should have started with –

00:18:28.000 Yeah, well, incest, gay marriage, drug – like legalizing all drugs. 0.99

00:18:32.840 He was like – he's like, I want a fucking direct answer for these four things. 0.65

00:18:36.500 And you basically didn't – maybe it was because he cut you off, but you never got to basically saying yes or no on most of them. 0.98

00:18:43.960 I want to know where Dave is at now post this whole LP debacle bullshit.

00:18:49.980 Because one of my points when I stopped listening to Part of the Problem as much as I – I listened every single – you know, like when it was out. 0.82

00:18:58.600 And it was when you got like into the party.

00:19:01.660 Because then I was like, I don't find this compelling.

00:19:04.480 I don't like this party.

00:19:05.560 After a while of seeing what it is, it represented – it looked like the church to me.

00:19:09.440 But it was just politics.

00:19:10.620 So like the church but no God. 0.99

00:19:12.440 So I'm like, what the fuck are we doing here? 0.97

00:19:15.140 Have your chances – your stances changed? 0.96

00:19:17.320 Because I did – Clint noticed that right away.

00:19:19.500 And I said, yeah, usually you'd have like a really sound argument for that.

00:19:22.340 But you just decided to say no.

00:19:25.020 So, okay.

00:19:25.980 Well, when he started with the – well, essentially to answer your question, no.

00:19:30.800 My stances really haven't changed on any of the hardcore libertarian stuff.

00:19:35.020 I guess what I was – and I'm sure I could have done a better job in this.

00:19:38.720 I was also – look, I was a little bit off my game that night.

00:19:42.020 I also – and this is really a first for me.

00:19:46.620 But it was kind of like just coming off all of the shows that I had just done.

00:19:50.820 Like I literally just that month done Tucker and Rogan and Open for Trump with Clint.

00:19:56.420 And I took Cuomo's scalp, which really was like the big thing for me. 0.98

00:20:00.640 And just he – I found him off-putting and kind of being a dick at first. 0.98

00:20:05.260 It was better at the end. 0.97

00:20:06.280 And I was just like, I don't care.

00:20:09.240 I don't care to have this fight.

00:20:11.280 Like I – you know, which is on me.

00:20:12.700 That's 100% on me.

00:20:13.940 It's like I did the show.

00:20:14.860 You know what that's called?

00:20:15.360 In sports, it's called a letdown game.

00:20:17.540 Yeah, it was kind of that for me.

00:20:20.420 Is that on you though when a guy sets out to like –

00:20:23.740 Yes, it is on me because like there's no excuses.

00:20:26.800 And also like I did the show.

00:20:28.540 So once you're there, it's my job to be on once I'm on any show.

00:20:33.000 No, look.

00:20:33.620 He started with the incest example because – which what I was told was we were there to debate Christian populism versus libertarianism.

00:20:41.820 I'm thinking we're having a debate about the current state of America and what is a better remedy for it.

00:20:47.580 You know what I mean?

00:20:48.140 Which is not at all what the debate ended up being.

00:20:52.160 I think that starting with the question of incest is obviously like – it is a reducto absurdum.

00:21:01.120 It's not like people were saying he didn't even realize it was – it's like, yeah, no, I get that.

00:21:05.340 It's just that you're also starting with something that is designed, you know, to have a very deep-rooted genetic disgust impulse.

00:21:16.400 Like it's just something that – it almost removes like rational thought from your head when you even start thinking about it.

00:21:23.300 And the point I was kind of making was that it's like, no, look. 0.91

00:21:26.840 I – in my heart of hearts, what I still believe is I'm a Rothbardian ANCAP and I will make an argument for why people have natural rights and all of this shit.

00:21:35.440 It's just like where I'm at today in my life, we live under the biggest government in the history of the world and we're on the verge of World War III.

00:21:43.620 And they're doing all types of experiments with our society that seem to be trial balloons for like some real deal Maoist nightmare coming up in the future.

00:21:52.900 And if you're telling me –

00:21:54.220 So why are we arguing about incest law?

00:21:55.560 If government was reduced down to like laws against incest, I'm just like, yeah, guys, I'm not in this fight anymore.

00:22:01.860 I wouldn't be a libertarian and go like, I got to fight to make sure this incest law is repealed.

00:22:06.860 So if that's the thing you want to go to in your debate, fine, whatever.

00:22:10.780 Keep that illegal.

00:22:11.720 Like I just don't care.

00:22:12.760 Let's move on to what actually – like we're here to talk about.

00:22:16.340 I figured that's what it was.

00:22:16.960 So that was more my attitude.

00:22:18.600 I got it.

00:22:19.180 I see.

00:22:19.400 Now, in terms of the libertarian party, obviously, that's a different situation.

00:22:23.940 And I think I'm still at where I said I was on my show after the convention, which is kind of that – I'm kind of taking a step back and reassessing and just thinking what are my best – like what's my time best spent?

00:22:39.680 Look, the Mises Caucus was always – and this is the truth – it was always a passion project for me, a cause I believed in.

00:22:47.880 It wasn't something that was like this is where I can get the most bang for my buck or anything like that. 0.99

00:22:52.980 There was nothing really in it for me other than trying to lead this fucking thing. 0.95

00:22:57.960 And then when I decided not to run, I kind of had let down a lot of people who were there because I had like kind of led them into it. 0.96

00:23:07.360 And so then I still feel some type of obligation to those people, but I also have an obligation to tell the truth to my audience.

00:23:15.960 Do you think you would have won?

00:23:18.760 Huh?

00:23:19.580 Do you think you would have even won this nomination?

00:23:21.440 Oh, yes.

00:23:22.540 This is the discouraging part.

00:23:23.980 No, no, no, no, no.

00:23:25.020 I would have won it.

00:23:26.760 But it's not – here's the thing, though.

00:23:28.040 It's not a popularity contest. 1.00

00:23:29.280 It's filled with faggots and retards and losers. 1.00

00:23:32.280 And this is why I am not a libertarian anymore. 1.00

00:23:35.620 It's not because of the people in the Mises Caucus who have – they did a bad job of – I don't know how you don't just completely clean house and get the people away from – 1.00

00:23:45.060 like these people that represent –

00:23:46.100 Well, it's not that easy.

00:23:47.580 It's much easier to sit on the sidelines and say, how do you not just get rid of all these people?

00:23:53.080 But it's not that easy the way the organization is designed.

00:23:56.760 Let me put this in perspective because the only reason I lost is because Rack lost.

00:24:01.700 And I still got 47%.

00:24:03.120 So if you think Dave during the first round wouldn't have got over 50%.

00:24:07.120 No, no, no, but it's not even that I would have been so much more – like in that room, it's possible I could have lost. 0.97

00:24:15.020 Yeah, because it's filled with the retarded people. 1.00

00:24:16.920 In that room, it comes down to 45% of them were for sure going to vote for me.

00:24:21.920 How much of the people in the middle would have been persuaded?

00:24:25.020 Probably I still could have won that room.

00:24:26.800 I think there would have been enough people in the middle who would have been like just for the party.

00:24:31.500 For the party, this is obviously the best thing to do.

00:24:33.820 But the point isn't any of that.

00:24:35.860 The point – if I was running, the room would have been 90% my people.

00:24:40.760 That's true.

00:24:41.180 Like they would have been a whole different thing.

00:24:43.240 The momentum never would have like crashed the way it did.

00:24:46.220 That's why it is ultimately on me that all of this happened.

00:24:50.000 We'll see.

00:24:50.720 Maybe it's for better or for worse.

00:24:52.020 Who knows in the long run?

00:24:53.440 But the point is that we were 70% of the room in Reno.

00:24:57.420 We were only 45% of the room in D.C.

00:25:00.920 So it would have gone from 70% to higher than that. 0.87

00:25:04.560 I mean I really think – I just got enough people I know that like if I were running, they'd be going to their state convention and become a delegate and all that shit.

00:25:13.380 Whereas like they wouldn't necessarily have done that for Recklenwald.

00:25:16.800 Okay, where do you – does the Libertarian Party or Libertarian ideas, do they lead to what we see at every convention?

00:25:26.040 Because I brought David to the Georgia convention and this has been a hard one for me. 0.88

00:25:31.040 Like I like these ideas and I've read all the shit and I listen to all the podcasts. 0.94

00:25:34.900 And then I look and this latest example is like this is what it leads to? 0.99

00:25:39.640 This gay dude and a cop?

00:25:40.800 This is what it comes down to.

00:25:43.740 This is the same question that Vin Armani asked you three years ago, I think maybe on my show.

00:25:49.360 And I feel like this guy now because of what's been going on.

00:25:52.900 Well, so I'll say this.

00:25:54.400 I think it's probably much more of a comment on what bureaucracy leads to or what a political party leads to than what like actually implemented Libertarianism leads to.

00:26:06.480 Dude, there's a – if you want to get down on the LP, there's a bunch of articles that Murray Rothbard wrote in like 89 and 90 about the Libertarian Party like as he was leaving it.

00:26:21.280 And I will say it's shocking how much of that still applies.

00:26:26.500 Now, my – look, my gamble here for a while with the LP when I was planning on running and I still – look, there's a thing where like – look, for all those guys who were like critics of the LP strategy and all of that, look, I – again, it's kind of like you can take your victory lap if you want to.

00:26:44.540 The thing has ended up with Chase being the nominee.

00:26:48.040 I get the point of that.

00:26:49.340 But what changed was me deciding not to run. 0.99

00:26:51.660 And the gamble that I was making was like, yeah, I've read all that Rothbard shit. 0.96

00:26:57.800 I get all your criticisms of the party. 0.95

00:26:59.520 But I'm in this unique position where I have a bigger audience than the entire party apparatus put together and I can kind of lead this charge.

00:27:09.180 And if I'm the guy running, then I will be able to control what the messaging is that represents Libertarianism.

00:27:14.600 And so I think we could have overcome a lot of these problems.

00:27:17.620 The flaw in this strategy was that I ended up not being able to do it.

00:27:23.060 But anyway, one of the things Rothbard talks about was how the liberty movement in general and he broke it up into two broad categories that he called rednecks and yuppies.

00:27:36.760 I love the rednecks. 1.00

00:27:38.300 And he was like, give me the rednecks. 1.00

00:27:41.160 He was like, screw these yuppies. 0.99

00:27:42.720 I want the rednecks. 1.00

00:27:44.460 No, no, no. 0.97

00:27:44.840 These are not Jewish people, but the non-Jews. 1.00

00:27:50.980 No, but there's something where, look, if you're talking about like implementing just.

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00:28:27.940 In theory, like you could snap your fingers and you implemented like laissez-faire free markets in the country or something like that.

00:28:33.920 No, you're not just doing that for weirdos who are at the LP.

00:28:37.720 You're doing that for all of blue-collar America.

00:28:40.580 You know what I mean?

00:28:41.400 And like that's – so no, I don't think that in any sense the convention or the gayness of the convention that you're kind of getting at is like that's what libertarian policies lead to.

00:28:55.420 But it's very disheartening as somebody who – top, he shows me what libertarianism is.

00:29:01.520 He explains it to me.

00:29:02.600 I go, oh, that's pretty interesting.

00:29:04.140 He goes, these are the people who are involved with it.

00:29:07.240 This is what it turns into.

00:29:08.120 Well, and I look at the people that are involved with it and I'm like, oh, these are people that, you know, you could admire. 0.96

00:29:13.220 And it's very much like meeting someone and being like, oh, no, they're retarded. 0.99

00:29:18.140 Like I was brought to this entire convention and I looked around at these people and then I looked at the way that it ended and I went, that's strange.

00:29:24.660 This is not at all – what's up?

00:29:26.800 There's that side, right? 0.98

00:29:27.980 There's the side of this goofy side that you see and that's really fun to dunk on and talk shit about. 0.95

00:29:31.940 But then there's the side of like if this actually does work. 0.96

00:29:34.880 What the values actually are.

00:29:36.540 I understand that the people aren't a reflection of the – the principles themselves are not – they're separated from the people who show up, the goofy assholes who show up or the people who are – can I speak to this? 0.57

00:29:48.880 But this happens a lot.

00:29:49.860 There's just – there's a separation between like say an idea – like the belief in a set of policies and then the people who are attracted to that belief in a set of policies are not exactly the same thing.

00:30:03.420 And you get this a lot. 0.96

00:30:04.320 Look, dude, I bet like abolitionists during slavery had like some real goofball characters in there because when you're taking a position like in 1845 when like 1% of the country supported abolishing slavery, who the fuck is going to be the crazy enough person to go along with that 1% of people? 0.95

00:30:20.860 You're going to get like some wild types of characters. 0.73

00:30:23.800 Look at even like Norman Finkelstein or someone like that who's like so great on the history of the Israel war.

00:30:30.520 But he's like clearly like a very bizarre guy.

00:30:33.440 Like who do you have to be to be the Jew who stands up and goes like in the 70s, stood up and was like, no, you know what I mean? 0.76

00:30:40.840 Like this is a colonial power, Israel. 0.77

00:30:43.680 Like you kind of – so I just think those two things need to be separated, like the person and the views.

00:30:48.780 I think it's important too to realize that when you're pitching freedom, it's going to also attract a lot of people that are like, keep your hands off my furry outfit, you know?

00:30:57.640 Yeah.

00:30:57.940 Freedom for what?

00:30:59.100 This is like the whole idea of –

00:31:00.300 But this is my point though is that you're going to attract – you're going to attract people that want to be left alone to live a very honorable moral lifestyle. 0.99

00:31:06.740 And then you're going to attract a bunch of fucking degenerate lunatics that just want to be left alone so that they can be as perverse as possible. 0.99

00:31:12.180 So you're going to get both. 1.00

00:31:13.620 Here's the thing though.

00:31:14.160 You guys have huge sizable audiences that you're convincing them of these ideas.

00:31:19.280 We have no idea what their actual ideals and their morals are.

00:31:22.980 So you're preaching like half of this thing that could be very dangerous.

00:31:26.960 Well, what do you mean?

00:31:27.520 I think if they're listening to us, then you already know that their morals are not in the degenerate lane.

00:31:32.940 And that they're like – they're not there because they want to, you know, do drugs and then, you know, traffic children.

00:31:38.800 They're there because they're listening to us.

00:31:40.580 Like I don't see how you would get that from listening to David Wright.

00:31:44.220 I'll just go like – I'll jump the fence here.

00:31:47.220 The Libertarian Party, the good ones, where are they at on abortion?

00:31:51.560 Because as far as I'm concerned, this just looks like a mass murder blood ritual to me.

00:31:56.460 Where are they at on that?

00:31:57.420 This is very important when we're talking about if we're having freedom or not.

00:32:01.040 Well, yeah, I mean I certainly don't disagree with that.

00:32:04.800 That's why I've made my feelings on abortion very clear.

00:32:07.560 And so like – look, if your argument is that somebody who's a pro-choice Libertarian is still like basically really horrible on this very important issue, I don't disagree with that.

00:32:19.740 Like I think – yeah, I think abortion is – particularly like there are exceptional cases of abortion that are like really crazy situations like where the baby is very sick or something like that.

00:32:33.720 Sure, but I don't want to do this argument.

00:32:34.880 But I'm saying like those things aside, the idea of abortion, the way it is practiced for the most part in our country, yeah, it's pretty – it's a pretty sick practice. 0.99

00:32:43.540 Well, Dave, Planned Parenthood is fucking shaped like a pyramid and they're killing millions of babies. 0.98

00:32:47.980 It's literally made by – what was her name? 1.00

00:32:50.160 Margaret Sanger.

00:32:50.940 Was it Margaret Sanger?

00:32:52.500 Yeah.

00:32:52.620 Yeah, who's a – what's the expression?

00:32:55.980 Eugenicist.

00:32:56.500 Eugenicist. 0.84

00:32:57.060 And I don't think she was a big fan of black people either.

00:32:59.780 And it's like who's the number one customer base – who's the number one customer of Planned Parenthood? 1.00

00:33:05.380 It's fucking the black community. 1.00

00:33:06.740 And you go, well, what apparatus allows that to survive? 1.00

00:33:09.520 Is that – does that fall under that too?

00:33:11.580 Well, the government is the apparatus that allows that to survive.

00:33:14.660 Right.

00:33:14.820 I mean this is like the government education system.

00:33:17.980 I mean that is kind of – I mean you're talking about a government-funded organization, so I'd say that's at least part of it.

00:33:25.780 I think there's also a thing with a lot of libertarians, particularly the more left-leaning libertarians, where there's also a weird thing when we don't live in a libertarian society and all of these things exist.

00:33:39.160 It's very easy for them to say they're libertarians.

00:33:41.380 Like, yeah, I believe that no tax dollars should go to Planned Parenthood, but I still believe in the right to do it.

00:33:45.560 But that's also because they have the luxury of like having a Planned Parenthood that does have tax dollars go to it.

00:33:51.020 And you wonder if that society were to actually be brought about, how many of them would still be ideologically libertarians or like how many of them would then at that – you know, like if welfare was actually gone in all of its forms, would you still be just advocating for it or would you maybe lose your principles and start advocating it returns?

00:34:09.720 Because I think like many of us know, that's one of the problems with the degeneracy in the libertarian movement.

00:34:15.780 It's almost like I feel like libertarianism is the solution to their problem.

00:34:19.860 Like, okay, see how that's going to work out under real free market conditions.

00:34:24.460 Dog, we know how it works out.

00:34:26.200 It's like would you live at Porkfest?

00:34:28.580 No.

00:34:28.980 Exactly, because that's what it is. 1.00

00:34:31.040 It's fucking libertarianism. 0.99

00:34:31.480 I wouldn't bring my kids to Porkfest. 1.00

00:34:33.180 Me neither, but that's a libertarian society and I look at them. 0.98

00:34:36.120 I appreciate that they're doing it the right way, but I'm like this shit is kind of evil looking on some parts of it. 0.99

00:34:42.180 But here's the thing. 0.97

00:34:42.900 Again, you're conflating the people who are attracted to the message of libertarianism and that's libertarian society.

00:34:51.260 That's no more libertarian or less libertarian than any festival that you go to.

00:34:55.680 And if you go to a festival, you could go to Skankfest or you could go to Porkfest or you could go to an Amish festival or you could go to like some Christian festival or whatever. 0.63

00:35:05.140 It's like there's that's and they're all equally libertarian.

00:35:08.460 I mean, in the sense that there's a government and stuff like that and they're still just organizing like voluntarily.

00:35:13.460 So I don't think that that's I think what the libertarian outcome, the point I was getting, which I think kind of contradicts your point, is that I actually think that the the absence of a welfare state and the absence of like overreaching government is going to do more to put out the flame of degeneracy than almost any other policy.

00:35:35.180 Short of, you know, like real deal authoritarian policies, which are kind of popular to flirt with amongst like reactionary groups.

00:35:45.420 But you also really wouldn't want to live under under those.

00:35:48.760 You really don't want to live under a North Korea type system or a Nazi type system.

00:35:53.100 It's really like even as bad as what we have right now is there is worse.

00:35:57.720 And those systems actually are worse.

00:35:59.640 So what libertarianism, libertarianism is the ultimate compromise in a way.

00:36:04.840 It's here's a way to put out the degeneracy, but do it without beating people over the head with a with a baton.

00:36:11.160 OK, I and I agree. 0.91

00:36:13.220 I'm not going to get goofy on you and say, like, let's let's all be Nazis.

00:36:16.220 It's a funny meme, right? 0.99

00:36:17.760 Like all the shit that we say, it's hilarious. 0.97

00:36:19.620 It moves the culture in a certain way and it lets people lets people's minds open and pushes boundaries. 0.98

00:36:25.380 That's fun.

00:36:26.040 What I'm saying is libertarianism kind of always does go back to that.

00:36:31.120 But the best kind of libertarianism are the people that we see the best kind.

00:36:34.400 Who are the best libertarians, in your opinion?

00:36:37.220 The best libertarians?

00:36:39.200 Living, living.

00:36:40.120 Well, Ron Paul, number one.

00:36:43.780 Lou Rockwell, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Tom Woods, Jeff Deist.

00:36:47.840 You know, Scott Horton.

00:36:54.220 I don't know. 1.00

00:36:55.400 Whenever I do this, I'm going to be missing somebody and I feel like an asshole. 0.98

00:36:58.980 My top three, my top three will be Ron Paul, who is, well, he's a Christian, but main thing, God. 0.99

00:37:06.460 Tom Woods, Catholic, God.

00:37:08.540 Jeff Deist.

00:37:09.560 I think he's also, I think he's an ortho.

00:37:11.720 I'm not even sure.

00:37:12.580 But God, there is some.

00:37:14.080 No, he's not.

00:37:14.660 I don't know.

00:37:16.080 I don't know how much Jeff Deist talks about any of this stuff, but I don't.

00:37:19.800 I think I think it should be talked about more because the brand of libertarianism that Ron

00:37:25.840 Paul is going to present to you is going to be vastly different than one of, I don't know,

00:37:29.920 like Walter Block.

00:37:31.100 And then there's that question of, well, what's missing?

00:37:33.400 What's missing in this recipe here?

00:37:35.300 And, you know, it's not popular to say, but I'm just going to say it.

00:37:38.820 God, I think God is missing from this recipe.

00:37:41.200 I don't think that's true, though, because Ron Paul very rarely talked about God.

00:37:45.100 That's not that's not what his message was.

00:37:46.680 That's not what the movement was about.

00:37:47.960 It wasn't him going like we all got to come to God and then end the Fed.

00:37:51.220 It was just end the Fed.

00:37:52.540 You know, his his prescription was abolish the system that is oppressing us.

00:37:56.460 And then from there, it's up to you what you create.

00:37:59.320 But yes, for him personally and for all of the best libertarians I know, they were living

00:38:04.200 in a moral, you know, I don't know if Christ like fashion, but certainly family oriented

00:38:09.140 type of way.

00:38:10.040 And where does that come from?

00:38:11.380 Where do those morals come from? 1.00

00:38:12.460 Because like this, this is kind of what you were talking about with that guy.

00:38:15.720 Did they come from God or did they come from your ideas and what you think as a as a person?

00:38:21.540 I don't I don't know.

00:38:22.880 But the the pattern that I'm recognizing, the people that I agree with most, which would

00:38:27.560 be a Ron Paul and like a Tom Woods type, they align with me on those important issues.

00:38:32.960 And now I'm saying, why, why are we are we are you guys attracting a certain type of

00:38:40.140 person?

00:38:40.520 Are you missing something?

00:38:42.140 What's going on?

00:38:42.900 And how could how could this be perfected, done better?

00:38:45.820 There's no reason that that it should be the laughingstock that it is now because the

00:38:49.120 momentum and the role that the Libertarian Party was playing in the last four years,

00:38:53.460 right up until Trump goes on the stage. 0.97

00:38:55.420 And again, I don't know what the fuck these people are thinking, but like you guys are major 0.98

00:38:59.860 players and it's like, well, there's we're missing something here. 0.98

00:39:03.820 What what's going on?

00:39:06.940 Well, look, there's there's a lot there.

00:39:10.340 So I will say that.

00:39:14.140 OK, the one of the things that first started softening me on my atheism was exactly what

00:39:22.960 you're talking about, that just so many of the people who I thought were like the best

00:39:27.700 people were believers and that this isn't what, you know, this isn't how I found God,

00:39:33.480 but it did like soften me on my atheism.

00:39:36.240 It started making me, I think, like opening me up toward the possibility a little bit more

00:39:41.020 and not just libertarians, just like people I know in my life were like, oh, the best

00:39:44.840 people I know are like all Christian.

00:39:46.760 Oh, that's kind of interesting, you know, and and some and some Jewish.

00:39:51.660 Uh, but there's to your point with the LP, look, this is one of the major things that's

00:39:57.200 kind of made me take a step back.

00:39:58.800 And I I feel like my obligation, as always, is to be, you know, blunt and honest with my

00:40:04.340 audience and that I was like, look, when when our people were 70 percent of the room, it

00:40:10.280 didn't really seem to matter as much because we could just jam through whatever we wanted

00:40:14.480 to and we would pick all of the people.

00:40:16.460 And it was like, OK, the freaks are kind of kept over in the corner a little bit with

00:40:21.360 us being 45 percent of the room.

00:40:23.020 It just didn't feel that way anymore.

00:40:24.740 And it did feel like, oh, these guys like they're.

00:40:30.140 I don't know, just a lot of people there who are the type of people who are never going

00:40:34.180 to persuade others that there's anything serious here because you're so fundamentally

00:40:38.900 unserious.

00:40:40.180 And so that is that is a problem.

00:40:41.800 And they're viciously upset with the people that are good at messaging their belief system,

00:40:45.920 which is always a insult to injury.

00:40:48.420 I mean, let's just be honest, like there is very there was very limited, if any, upside

00:40:52.960 for me to be running for VP.

00:40:54.640 So for Dave, there's literally negative upside, most likely because you're not going to get

00:40:59.420 on any bigger platforms unless you end up on a debate stage or something like that with

00:41:02.440 RFK or something crazy.

00:41:04.000 So it's like the the upside for our best messengers to do that role is is negative.

00:41:12.040 So it's very it's very tough to.

00:41:13.920 Well, look, and I don't say.

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00:41:42.780 And look, none of this is the reason why I didn't run.

00:41:49.580 No, I know.

00:41:50.060 But I was speaking for other candidates.

00:41:51.300 Sure.

00:41:51.600 No, no, no.

00:41:52.040 But I think it's a point worth making is that it's like, you know, look, that's the reality

00:41:56.500 of the situation for any of the guys who you'd want to do this.

00:42:00.440 And if you just say like a short list of people like me or Clint, that a lot of our guys wanted

00:42:06.160 to run.

00:42:07.060 And people, I think, would have gotten way behind Clint running for president if he had when

00:42:13.000 I had, you know, and they came to you asking you for that.

00:42:15.580 Yeah.

00:42:15.800 Or if you'd want Tom Woods.

00:42:16.660 See, that's why you can't take all the blame either, because I didn't do it.

00:42:19.320 And I would have wanted to.

00:42:20.540 So there you go.

00:42:21.320 Take a little bit off me.

00:42:23.060 But like Tom Woods or Jeff Dice or like anyone like that, if you're asking them to run for

00:42:29.280 president on the Libertarian Party ticket, you're asking those people to make an enormous

00:42:33.780 sacrifice.

00:42:34.940 That's just a factual matter.

00:42:36.280 It just is what it is.

00:42:37.420 It would be an enormous sacrifice for any of them to do that.

00:42:40.680 Tom Woods is a wife.

00:42:41.880 He's got five daughters.

00:42:43.360 He's very, very successful, like a very successful entrepreneur.

00:42:47.460 And you would be asking him to just make this enormous sacrifice and a sacrifice for his

00:42:52.460 family.

00:42:53.060 And that's true for all these guys.

00:42:54.100 And then if they were to go do it, you go like, oh, yeah.

00:42:57.920 And like 20 percent of the LP is going to try to ruin your life, like not even like oppose

00:43:05.040 you on some issues.

00:43:05.900 I'm saying literally try to ruin your life.

00:43:09.300 They're going to try.

00:43:09.880 Oh, and then, by the way, on top of that, at least in my experience, I can't even I can't

00:43:15.180 even count on my own side.

00:43:16.540 Like when the plan was to go do this, I can't count on the guys in New Hampshire to not just 1.00

00:43:22.640 say, no, fuck you. 1.00

00:43:23.680 We're doing what we're doing. 1.00

00:43:24.880 And you go and I can't go, dude, you're making us all look awful.

00:43:28.420 Just please stop doing this.

00:43:30.420 Nope.

00:43:30.840 They won't do that.

00:43:31.760 If I have one strategy in Arizona where I think we should back this former anarchist who's

00:43:36.860 Ron Paul endorsed.

00:43:37.980 And instead of running a libertarian for no reason to spoil it, mutiny on my hands.

00:43:43.340 And so I don't like I don't completely disagree with some of the dynamics you're talking about,

00:43:49.020 top.

00:43:49.260 And I think there's even more than you're getting at that make this really difficult.

00:43:53.020 And that's a part of why I got to take a step back now.

00:43:56.180 Now that this this cycle is over and it ends with Chase as the nominee, I kind of have to

00:44:01.160 reevaluate.

00:44:01.900 It, you know, I'm the guy I am and I'm going to keep being the guy I am if I'm going to

00:44:06.860 be like, hey, look, here's what we should do.

00:44:09.180 I got to make damn sure that that's the right thing to do.

00:44:12.900 That being said, I don't think any of that is a is a comment on the legal theory of libertarianism,

00:44:19.640 if that makes sense.

00:44:21.080 All right.

00:44:21.460 Can I add can I add one quick thing?

00:44:22.920 Because you continue to point at this, like because libertarianism is attractive to some

00:44:28.360 people that we find reprehensible, maybe the philosophy itself is what's flawed.

00:44:32.320 And I and I take your your point seriously.

00:44:35.700 I think that the the issue is that not just flawed, Clint, but I think it's close to Satanism.

00:44:41.260 But go ahead.

00:44:42.080 Yes, I know.

00:44:44.380 And we'll get into that.

00:44:45.080 But from my vantage point, libertarianism is a thin philosophy where like it's only it's

00:44:52.560 only really describing how the society ought to be structured when it comes to governance.

00:44:57.920 It's not about the moral framework of the people.

00:45:00.540 The moral framework of the people, I think, is is ultimately like it's requisite that you

00:45:06.040 have a moral people if you're going to have a sound libertarian society.

00:45:10.300 So like you need both.

00:45:12.040 But in terms of libertarian philosophy, for the most part, it is not it is not a a philosophy

00:45:17.560 and totality of like how every single human is to think and behave and like their moral

00:45:22.160 makeup.

00:45:22.840 I think this is why like so many of the best libertarians do have a Christian background

00:45:27.760 or or a religious background.

00:45:29.660 So I think that's that's the issue that are the pushback I wanted to give you is that like 0.99

00:45:33.900 you're describing it as if like libertarianism leads to Satanism or devil worship or fucking 0.99

00:45:38.060 whatever. 0.99

00:45:38.680 It's like I I don't know any libertarians that do that or feel that way.

00:45:43.460 I haven't seen it myself.

00:45:44.520 It's a party that was collecting hair off of chairs to put whatever. 0.79

00:45:49.640 No, there's no one's done. 0.64

00:45:50.880 There's some crazies there. 0.97

00:45:51.940 Listen, listen, I want to I got to stare because we're fucking 42 minutes into a show called 0.99

00:45:55.920 Nephilim Death Squad and it's time to get fucking weird because I'm going to have a stroke if 0.91

00:45:59.060 we mention anything else that has to do with the libertarian party at this point. 0.65

00:46:01.980 What I want to talk about is is something that I genuinely want to ask you guys because

00:46:07.220 I find you both I find you both fascinating in the journey that you're on top.

00:46:13.780 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:46:14.680 Clint keeps getting this sort of Nephilim question knocking at his door.

00:46:19.080 Dave, you you've come over to believing that there's a God and it was with the birth of

00:46:24.440 your child, correct?

00:46:25.560 How long has that been now?

00:46:27.360 Five years ago, five and a half years ago, five and a half years ago when you see things

00:46:31.720 because if there's a God, right, when you when you talk about God, you you're saying

00:46:37.700 that there is a creator to this world and he's of a spiritual nature, right?

00:46:42.260 He's not physically in this realm.

00:46:43.880 And so somewhere in a spiritual realm, there is a force that has created this entire universe

00:46:48.460 that we inhabit.

00:46:49.160 Is that as far as you're willing to go?

00:46:52.040 Well, yeah.

00:46:53.160 And that and that he's like one thing, like it's one God.

00:46:59.980 And that he wants us to be good.

00:47:05.860 OK.

00:47:06.600 And there's like like that.

00:47:08.040 It's kind of hard to like describe or exactly put into words, but it's just like finding

00:47:12.920 it.

00:47:13.460 This is like the thing that you always had in your mind about God.

00:47:16.920 That's real.

00:47:18.200 It's a force.

00:47:19.540 You know what I mean?

00:47:20.420 And it's it's singular and it's completely in charge and wants us to be good people.

00:47:26.620 Now, would you venture to imagine?

00:47:29.180 Go ahead.

00:47:29.500 That that idea.

00:47:30.920 So he wants us to be good.

00:47:32.860 Yeah, that's that's like what's good.

00:47:34.980 We don't know what God wants.

00:47:38.100 I feel like I know.

00:47:40.580 That's one of the things that really that really kind of opened me up to it was that

00:47:45.800 it was like this very weird feeling that like I know what he wants from me.

00:47:50.040 If you saw I believe that honorable and like to do honorable.

00:47:53.660 Yeah.

00:47:54.080 Well, I mean, I could give you very specific things, but it's like the if you're ever when

00:48:00.460 you're at your lowest point and you start talking to God, which which anyone, any atheist

00:48:06.320 included could be pushed to that point.

00:48:08.000 Like they're whatever they say, there's no atheist in a foxhole or whatever that you

00:48:11.300 know what I mean?

00:48:11.680 Like this your planes going down.

00:48:13.300 You start believing pretty quickly. 0.99

00:48:15.340 And that that in itself is kind of interesting that when the shit hits the fan, we all kind 0.99

00:48:20.160 of know God exists, but also immediately you're going to start bargaining with him and you're 0.99

00:48:26.340 going to find out, you know, exactly what he wants.

00:48:28.700 You're going to be like, OK, I promise I'll stop doing this.

00:48:30.840 I promise I'll do this.

00:48:31.760 I know I got to call my mom no more.

00:48:33.320 I know I got to always protect my kids.

00:48:35.020 I know I'll be a good husband to my wife.

00:48:36.840 I'll do it.

00:48:37.140 You know what I mean?

00:48:37.600 Like you you kind of find out right away that you do actually know what he wants from

00:48:42.940 rock bottom does have a way of giving you clarity to choose him.

00:48:46.280 This is this is the whole idea of what what I'm getting to.

00:48:48.440 So God doesn't just want you to do good.

00:48:51.480 He wants you to constantly choose him.

00:48:53.300 And it's constantly giving consent to this or that.

00:48:56.600 And the good what Dave would say is the good is just choosing God because you're kind of

00:49:01.100 emulating what he would do.

00:49:02.800 And the idea of liberty, right, it goes back to Adam and Eve in the garden.

00:49:08.460 So you have the the accuser or the tempter that's going to tell her, well, if you if you

00:49:14.500 do this, then you'll have such and such power.

00:49:17.460 You'll be like God.

00:49:18.880 This is like the liberty.

00:49:20.160 You're given the liberty to choose.

00:49:21.940 But God is constantly saying, like, no, you got to choose me.

00:49:24.620 And when you're given that liberty, it seems like we always choose the apple every single

00:49:30.180 time.

00:49:31.380 And isn't that also part of Christian framework or theology that like it's it's the free

00:49:37.760 will is what makes this special that you've chosen God because you had that choice.

00:49:41.580 Well, it's like the love for God means nothing if you can't choose it.

00:49:45.520 Love means nothing if you can't choose it of your own free will.

00:49:48.860 Because then it's slavery.

00:49:49.940 But if you choose it, if you choose fealty to God by choice, then it's love.

00:49:55.380 So it's almost like liberty is the temptation in this in this equation here.

00:50:00.080 No, I think the temptation would be doing something, doing the wrong thing with your liberty would

00:50:06.060 be the temptation.

00:50:08.200 You're given the choice of the ability to do that.

00:50:10.260 I don't think the ability to is is evil.

00:50:13.480 I mean, it's not evil in itself, but it's it's opening the door for that.

00:50:18.520 And what I'm saying is that like like I'm not going to call liberty evil bad like we shouldn't

00:50:23.380 have that.

00:50:23.780 That's crazy.

00:50:24.620 What I'm saying is that you need both of these things.

00:50:27.120 So you have to have the ability to choose.

00:50:29.500 And then you have to choose this other thing, God, because if you don't, then you end up in

00:50:34.660 this spiral where we're at now.

00:50:36.520 Yeah, but see, the problem with this is that when you're extrapolating things from God down

00:50:41.060 to libertarianism, libertarianism is not dealing in the realm of whether God is ruling over

00:50:48.400 us or he's not.

00:50:49.660 It's we're dealing in the realm of whether other men are ruling over us or they're not.

00:50:53.680 So even in this in this framework, when you say, oh, but it's almost like the question

00:50:59.040 is, should you even have that choice?

00:51:01.000 Should you even have the choice between doing good and doing bad?

00:51:03.440 Because isn't liberty just giving you the option to do bad?

00:51:06.460 But we would never get to be forced to do good.

00:51:09.840 We'd get to be forced to do what some person with a lot of power over us has decided is

00:51:16.080 right.

00:51:16.700 And so you can point to examples of where people have had their liberty and chose the

00:51:20.740 wrong thing.

00:51:21.720 But I can also point to a lot of point examples of where the people who rule over us have

00:51:26.900 had the power to make our choices for us and they've made the wrong choices.

00:51:29.940 And so I still think it becomes a self-defeating argument.

00:51:34.220 It's if people are so bad at making the right choice with their liberty, how are they going

00:51:41.300 to do at ruling over other people with power?

00:51:44.920 Right.

00:51:45.140 We're still dealing with human beings.

00:51:46.880 That's why that's why I kept saying to you, Top, that I think that these are complementary

00:51:49.900 beliefs like like or or philosophies.

00:51:52.920 It's like Christianity, I think, is very important.

00:51:55.720 But I also, as someone who's more agnostic, I think that there's there's lessons in all

00:52:00.060 the religions that are kind of universal that I think are really beautiful and they tie

00:52:04.200 together and they ultimately create people that might function better in a libertarian

00:52:08.960 framework.

00:52:09.360 But I think that the libertarian framework isn't addressing the religious aspects of

00:52:13.720 society.

00:52:14.440 And that's why I don't think it's fair to blame, you know, liberty itself for the downfall

00:52:20.060 of America or any other nation.

00:52:21.700 And in fact, I think that quite the opposite, that that it's the decrease of liberty and

00:52:25.840 the accumulation of power at the top of the structure that has ultimately deteriorated

00:52:30.900 the the down below.

00:52:33.880 That's my view of things.

00:52:35.060 But what do you think?

00:52:36.700 You know, see, it makes a lot of sense.

00:52:39.080 But the symbology that's all surrounded by liberty really gives me pause.

00:52:43.940 And I know this is where you jump off, Dave.

00:52:46.020 But when I'm looking around in in current society or even old society, there's symbols

00:52:52.480 everywhere and they're kind of telling you their agenda.

00:52:55.700 You'll see pedophile symbols.

00:52:57.500 You'll see this and that.

00:52:58.780 But Dave, you want to take this from here?

00:53:00.520 Well, look, I don't necessarily want to go there yet because I was trying to get to a

00:53:05.080 point with this line of questioning with with Dave.

00:53:09.080 Dave, we talked earlier, you spoke earlier about how there is this flip side of the coin,

00:53:15.680 right?

00:53:16.380 That there's there's sort of a light in a darkness and people will sort of align themselves

00:53:21.820 with God and then fight this this evil.

00:53:25.380 Right.

00:53:25.980 And I would say that there is a law of opposites.

00:53:29.000 Do you think that it is a fair thing to assume that if there is a God, which is already where

00:53:35.100 you stand from, then there would be something that is an opposition to him.

00:53:38.280 And since he is at least as far as you're willing to concede, which I think is fair.

00:53:44.180 Since he is a spiritual entity that has created this entire realm that we inhabit, then the

00:53:50.400 force and opposition to him may also be of a spiritual nature as real as God.

00:53:56.620 Sure.

00:53:57.180 Well, I think one of the things that when you find God or if you if you were always a

00:54:06.520 believer or whatever, you do it, you all of a sudden have to look at the whole world in

00:54:10.920 kind of a different way.

00:54:12.020 And sometimes that doesn't exactly dawn on you right away.

00:54:14.420 But a lot of times you realize that the gaps between what is scientific and what is spiritual

00:54:21.020 are kind of artificial themselves.

00:54:23.240 There's a lot of things that we just have words for that we the words don't even really

00:54:28.400 mean anything.

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00:55:03.860 Instinct is a good example of that.

00:55:05.560 You know, if someone goes, how does a bug know to do that?

00:55:08.740 How does the ant know to hand this off to the other?

00:55:10.700 They go, oh, it's instinct.

00:55:12.060 What does that mean?

00:55:13.060 Really?

00:55:14.080 You're like, I don't know.

00:55:15.140 It's in them.

00:55:15.980 You know what I mean?

00:55:16.580 Like, it's it's man's kind of feeble attempt to grasp.

00:55:19.220 Yes.

00:55:19.500 In my opinion, God's creation.

00:55:21.060 I remember listening to the idea of ideas like.

00:55:24.040 Yeah.

00:55:24.340 Yeah.

00:55:24.720 Sure.

00:55:25.760 Yes.

00:55:26.220 Things like that that we.

00:55:27.420 So because we give it a word and we just and we kind of live.

00:55:31.680 I understand that now.

00:55:33.180 Yeah.

00:55:33.480 Right.

00:55:33.840 We kind of convince ourselves.

00:55:35.140 We understand that the way the same way I kind of really feel like I understand how

00:55:38.520 my phone works.

00:55:39.320 You know what I mean?

00:55:39.900 But I don't.

00:55:41.040 But I feel like it because I use it every day.

00:55:42.680 But so, yeah, we give it a word like idea.

00:55:45.000 And then when you live in our very reductionist kind of secular post God world, it's easy to

00:55:51.920 say, oh, no, we know the scientific answer for that.

00:55:53.600 It's an idea.

00:55:54.060 But just thinking about the word idea is a like you could trip on mushrooms for three

00:55:59.680 hours about that. 0.98

00:56:00.580 What the fuck is an idea, you know? 0.95

00:56:02.260 And and so in a sense, I remember hearing this one debate once. 0.98

00:56:07.820 I can't remember who it was, but it was like an atheism verse Christianity type debate.

00:56:12.700 And that what the guy who was arguing for Christianity started talking about evil spirits.

00:56:18.340 And then I remember the atheist guy said something about how like evil spirits is just another

00:56:22.280 assertion.

00:56:22.860 There's something you can't prove.

00:56:24.020 And then he goes, look, we all know that there are dark forces that people can fall into

00:56:28.300 depression, this and that.

00:56:29.580 And I just remember the word and the guy didn't even jump on it.

00:56:32.560 But I just remember the moment he said dark forces. 1.00

00:56:35.620 And you're like, he literally just went, oh, this is so stupid. 1.00

00:56:38.480 This evil spirit. 1.00

00:56:39.760 What are you, some rube? 0.95

00:56:41.260 Anyway, there's dark force. 1.00

00:56:42.720 You know, it's like, what the fuck is that? 0.97

00:56:44.600 What's the difference? 0.99

00:56:45.740 What are we even arguing over?

00:56:47.020 Is this just semantics?

00:56:48.500 Whether you call it that or that we're talking about the same thing.

00:56:51.520 And like, so is there this opposite of the flip side of I mean, yeah, there's hell,

00:56:56.660 dude, like there's people live in living hells.

00:56:59.400 We've all known people who put themselves into a living hell because they just do all

00:57:03.500 the wrong things.

00:57:04.480 And like, you know, like, and so like anybody who's ever suffered or felt depressed or anything

00:57:09.820 like that, you know, yeah, there's darkness in this world.

00:57:12.840 Call that whatever you want to.

00:57:14.580 But it's a force.

00:57:16.080 It's not something we can tangibly measure scientifically.

00:57:19.680 It exists.

00:57:20.920 It's real.

00:57:21.960 We know it's real because we experience it.

00:57:24.460 Call that whatever you want to.

00:57:26.080 So, yeah, I'm so I'm growing.

00:57:28.680 Let me ask you this thing.

00:57:29.900 Let me I'll just say this real quickly at the end.

00:57:31.580 I'm growing more and more comfortable with like as a as a young atheist, I would have

00:57:37.440 been more comfortable with like dark forces rather than evil spirits.

00:57:40.900 The older I get, the more I find something about the evil spirits more attractive because

00:57:46.640 you're like, at least they're throwing themselves on the mercy of like, we can't know what it

00:57:50.600 is because it's the spiritual force outside of us, whereas the like dark forces atheist 0.90

00:57:55.460 guides like you're just trying to pretend you know what this is, but it's just as much

00:57:59.260 of a mystery to you.

00:58:00.540 So that if that makes sense, we had interactions.

00:58:03.500 Go ahead.

00:58:03.840 Before you go, I got I got to just say one quick thing.

00:58:06.480 The reason I try not to go towards the good and evil path, particularly when it comes to

00:58:10.960 analysis of human beings, is that I have known too many people that have participated in

00:58:15.600 evil that I don't think are and and I think that if you if you blanket like just label

00:58:21.860 Oh, everybody that supports, you know, X war evil, you know, like because what they're in

00:58:27.660 what they're supporting is evil.

00:58:29.340 But like I still recognize that there are forces that are acting upon them that ultimately

00:58:34.160 could lead them astray.

00:58:35.680 And should I should I condemn them as a human being forever because of that wrong decision?

00:58:41.340 And I think that oftentimes that's a big, big, big mistake.

00:58:44.400 So ironically, is a very Christian thing to say.

00:58:47.060 I think it's a little bit of a scapegoat, though, because you're alluding to like some

00:58:51.360 of these people, let's say that they're choosing the Israel side, like you'll see all kinds

00:58:54.980 of people. 0.96

00:58:55.380 They're like, oh, we got to finish off all those Palestinians. 1.00

00:58:58.360 You're saying that maybe they have like monetary pressures or social pressures, or maybe it's

00:59:03.620 just like, I don't know, maybe it's just something kind of evil on there.

00:59:07.200 Yeah, I don't know, man.

00:59:08.220 I don't know, top.

00:59:08.960 And I don't I really I don't know how much you're like joking or how much you've actually 1.00

00:59:13.320 fallen down the like fucking Jewish like hate train. 0.98

00:59:18.260 But I don't know, dude, I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and I lived in Manhattan my whole 1.00

00:59:22.660 life.

00:59:22.960 I know lots of like really good Jewish people like there.

00:59:27.040 Lots of them probably support Israel just because they've kind of been propagandized to

00:59:31.440 do it their whole life.

00:59:32.260 And it's easy to say, oh, no, they're all evil if they're on the wrong side of this

00:59:36.500 issue.

00:59:36.800 But the truth is that, you know, like almost every one of those people who, you know, would

00:59:42.940 would be like, no, that's no excuse or whatever.

00:59:44.900 All the like like the popular like blame the Jews for everything crowd.

00:59:50.800 I mean, all the people who they love, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a little bit

00:59:54.980 older.

00:59:55.540 It was only 20 years ago that every single one of them was telling you, if you didn't 1.00

00:59:59.980 know that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that's because you are a homo 1.00

01:00:03.580 and you fucking hate America and blah, blah, blah. 1.00

01:00:06.440 And they told it's like the amount of evil that I've seen every little nook and cranny 1.00

01:00:11.000 in this country be propagandized into. 0.99

01:00:14.140 Dude, people get fucking fooled, man. 0.98

01:00:16.120 And I don't now that's not to say when you have a conflict like the one in Israel, it 1.00

01:00:20.560 will also draw in some fucking sociopaths who are really rooting for blood. 0.98

01:00:25.040 Let's not say the one in Israel because, all right, I understand where you're getting. 0.99

01:00:27.700 That's not that's not at all what I was getting at the JQ or whatever we're talking about here.

01:00:31.980 Let's let's just say like trans and kids in the heat of battle. 0.97

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01:01:04.480 There's people who full out support that.

01:01:06.960 They're not being monetarily supported.

01:01:08.920 There's something going on.

01:01:10.300 Or maybe even like your detractors in the LP, the ones that would ruin your life over an

01:01:15.220 ideology.

01:01:15.640 When you look at them in the face and you see their eyes and you go, is this like a person

01:01:21.380 in there? 0.99

01:01:21.920 Like, what the fuck is going on here? 0.92

01:01:23.400 Even better, what I was trying to get to is when you see this, because I think after 2020, 0.98

01:01:30.560 nobody can be really in denial anymore.

01:01:32.820 This overwhelming backdrop, especially to Western society in all sorts of things.

01:01:38.260 If you want to talk about geopolitically, you have Zelensky trying to make Marina Mbromovic,

01:01:44.420 who's an overt Satanist, who is an artist who takes pictures in mock baby corpses.

01:01:53.060 He's trying to make her the ambassador of education to Ukraine.

01:01:56.960 Within politics, there is an overt Luciferian element that pops its head up every once in a

01:02:02.880 while.

01:02:03.540 Overt in the sense, in comparison to what we would maybe have seen 20, 30 years ago.

01:02:08.260 Certainly within the music industry, within American culture, there is an element of

01:02:13.560 Luciferianism.

01:02:15.100 You have this strange thing popping up over and over again.

01:02:17.980 We talk about it ad nauseum on this show when Hillary Clinton's emails leak and she's talking

01:02:23.580 about, you know, where is the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh and the location of the

01:02:27.980 buried Nephilim.

01:02:28.960 There is this biblical and also Luciferian, which is redundant in a lot of ways, element.

01:02:37.080 It's just biblical.

01:02:37.880 There's like, you know, this spans across all ancient texts.

01:02:41.100 They're all talking about the same stuff.

01:02:42.720 But my question is, Dave, when you come to this realization, and I'm sure it's not a light

01:02:48.100 one to say that God exists.

01:02:49.980 And I'm sure that since it came about in such a profound way with the birth of your child,

01:02:54.960 you seemingly were already kind of on the path there, but that was what solidified it.

01:02:59.020 This is a, an important thing, right?

01:03:02.440 Because we're talking about the, the profound realization that there is a, a creator to this

01:03:08.340 universe.

01:03:08.780 And then you can see the elements of that creator's opposition echoed throughout American culture,

01:03:16.880 Western society, Western politics.

01:03:20.220 What do you, let's just leave it at that.

01:03:22.400 What do you make of that opposition?

01:03:24.540 And the fact, the fact that it's so fleshed out in such a kind of a cliche way, like you'll 0.98

01:03:31.220 see Sam Smith now, and he's, he's out there all gay with the gay devil outfit on. 0.80

01:03:35.280 And, and that's real fun to look at and be like, yeah, this is like a show. 0.96

01:03:38.160 This is a Satanism show, right?

01:03:39.440 This is a word that's thrown around a lot.

01:03:41.100 But then there's a lot of other things that are just kind of, I don't know, spooky, kind

01:03:45.440 of give you a pause. 0.99

01:03:46.180 Like you really did that shit there. 1.00

01:03:48.120 I will agree. 1.00

01:03:49.300 There are spooky things that are, um, yeah, way more dominant in our culture than ever

01:03:55.020 before.

01:03:55.440 And the trans kid thing is probably right at the top of the list of that. 0.87

01:03:59.960 Um, but there's a lot.

01:04:01.540 And then there's also just a lot of how crazy, um, there's almost this weird, you know, you

01:04:09.400 kind of get in touch with this when you do standup comedy is there's a weird thing where

01:04:13.840 like, it's an interesting like task to have to draw a laugh out of a room full of people.

01:04:22.320 It's not, it's different than just saying something that they think is funny.

01:04:26.360 Like there's a way you could say something that people might think is funny, but it's

01:04:29.740 not going to get like an audible laugh.

01:04:31.980 And part of comedy is not just coming up with like a funny joke.

01:04:35.400 It's also like figuring out the language of how to present this in the way that will

01:04:40.320 draw the biggest laugh.

01:04:41.580 And then it's, it's kind of like a trance, like dynamic where you have to like, kind

01:04:46.840 of draw this thing out of people. 0.76

01:04:48.640 You're a witch, Dave Smith. 0.80

01:04:50.280 Well, you know, there's some element to that. 0.96

01:04:53.460 Look, there's something to, if you watch, there's certain comedians who it's, it's probably

01:04:57.020 more clear to watch with.

01:04:58.240 If you watch, uh, Nate Bargetsy do standup, or if you watch Shane Gillis do standup, those

01:05:05.420 guys are like drawing you into their world.

01:05:09.260 Like every, the way they talk, the cadence of it in a way that they're not even intending

01:05:13.860 on doing, I think to some degree, it's why they're so naturally good at standup comedy

01:05:17.740 because they're just, they draw you into their world.

01:05:20.240 They like put you in this trance or you're just, and it's be, I think in the comedic world,

01:05:25.680 it's a beautiful thing, but there's the, the ability that the kind of ruling elite have

01:05:32.080 had to put our society in a trance, you know, where it's like, okay, you're all 15 days to

01:05:39.380 flatten the curve.

01:05:40.200 Everyone repeat after me.

01:05:41.440 And they all repeat, we're all in this together.

01:05:43.460 We're all in this together.

01:05:44.520 It's black power. 0.78

01:05:45.340 Now it's black lives matter.

01:05:46.540 Now that's what you must put it.

01:05:48.000 Yes.

01:05:48.220 We will change our profile picture.

01:05:50.280 Yes.

01:05:50.500 It's Ukraine. 0.99

01:05:51.320 Now it's gays. 1.00

01:05:52.260 Now it's, and, and the amount of people that just follow.

01:05:55.680 It's a, it does seem some, this is different.

01:05:59.580 This is not what society was like when I was a kid.

01:06:02.880 And so something in that realm has exploded.

01:06:05.360 And I do think there are almost all of the policies, whether you're talking about the

01:06:09.640 COVID stuff, the trans and the kids stuff, the wars, all of it, it's all so outrageously 1.00

01:06:15.860 evil that it's hard.

01:06:17.540 It's hard to not wonder about some of these things.

01:06:20.580 When you sacrifice a couple million babies to Moloch, do you think his power grows or does

01:06:24.760 it just like, is this just something fun we do? 0.99

01:06:26.740 Like, I, and I'm saying that like fucking really seriously. 0.90

01:06:29.780 I don't know. 0.95

01:06:30.220 What are we doing? 0.95

01:06:30.520 When you have, when you have a war in Ukraine where you're now down to recruiting retarded 1.00

01:06:34.880 people, cause they're just basically getting slaughtered there.

01:06:37.620 What does that do?

01:06:39.040 Well, in a sense right here, there's a weird, look, it goes back to my whole, um, uh, dark

01:06:46.120 forces versus evil spirits thing.

01:06:48.000 Right.

01:06:48.240 It's like, however you look at it, it's almost, it's almost like it's semantics.

01:06:53.680 Cause it's the same thing that's happening.

01:06:55.360 So what does, does Moloch get more power or something like that?

01:06:59.720 Well, I don't know.

01:07:00.580 But in a sense, the population at least has been totally conditioned to now accept that

01:07:05.380 the legal precedent has now been set. 0.99

01:07:07.440 It is that much easier to do evil shit again in the future. 1.00

01:07:11.060 And so, isn't that just another way of saying the same thing that if you do this evil shit, 1.00

01:07:16.400 then it will like grow the power of evil. 0.99

01:07:18.920 Look the same way. 1.00

01:07:19.800 It's like, you know how a fucking, a lie leads to another lie leads to another lie. 0.98

01:07:25.020 You know, like there's whether or not the, the, you know, what, what's actually going on 0.99

01:07:31.660 in the spiritual realm.

01:07:33.580 The, the fact is that yes, like evil begets more evil and things grow exponentially.

01:07:39.320 And I think it also, it also adds to like, this is what happens late stage empire.

01:07:45.980 And you also, you end up with basically like a, a blight upon the nation's soul.

01:07:50.220 And I saying this as an individualist is a weird thing for me to do, but I do think it's

01:07:54.140 real.

01:07:54.460 I think like there is something to be said for, well, we have caused and created so much

01:07:59.280 harm over the world.

01:08:00.160 It's not just blowback in terms of terrorist attacks.

01:08:03.140 It's also like blowback on our souls, on our spirit.

01:08:05.740 It, it usually, it's usually reflected in our economy, but.

01:08:08.980 It's the John Quincy Adams quote where he goes, if we go around the world looking for

01:08:13.140 monsters to slay, we will become the dickatrice of the world, but we will lose our own soul. 0.99

01:08:18.140 It's like this motherfucker said this like hundreds of years ago and you're like, God 1.00

01:08:22.720 damn, how did you really? 0.99

01:08:23.980 And, and it, it is just like, isn't that exactly what happened? 0.99

01:08:26.780 And it, there is some weird collective sense to it, dude.

01:08:29.560 I mean, it's crazy that the counterculture revolution, the whole real disintegration of traditional

01:08:34.720 norms in this country came during the Vietnam War.

01:08:37.480 Yep.

01:08:37.880 It was like, there's, there's a huge connection there.

01:08:40.700 Like there's not, that is not a coincidence.

01:08:42.500 The counterculture today is, is more, is more, uh, America first.

01:08:47.220 It's more liberty minded.

01:08:48.080 It's more free speech oriented.

01:08:49.120 It's more gun rights oriented.

01:08:50.140 Like, I think that's the counterculture.

01:08:51.880 That's what I feel like we are.

01:08:53.160 I'd argue that the counterculture today is, uh, like people that actually believe in God

01:09:00.000 and Jesus and I would say yes.

01:09:01.580 And you know why too, because historically speaking, countercultures, as soon as they

01:09:06.460 show any promise are almost immediately co-opted by some sort of intelligence agency and then

01:09:11.280 steered for the worst of the culture.

01:09:13.240 But I don't believe you can do that with God.

01:09:16.760 I don't think you can do that with Christ.

01:09:18.340 I don't think that can happen.

01:09:19.460 I think it's about the only one that can't be co-opted.

01:09:22.200 I mean, I don't know, dude, look at the evangelical churches in this country, dude.

01:09:26.020 I mean, they've been about as co-opted.

01:09:28.260 What I would say that is a, what a true strict adherence to biblical Christianity would be.

01:09:35.580 Now you're doing the no true Scotsman thing, dude.

01:09:37.700 It's like, just, just the, look, I'm just saying that the idea that, oh, if you believe

01:09:43.800 in Jesus now, you're going to be immune to this whole thing.

01:09:46.280 There's a lot more to it than that.

01:09:48.060 That's very valid.

01:09:49.020 And so what I would like to say is, uh, when we're talking about this darkness versus

01:09:53.880 evil spirits thing, I think it's very important to study and define what these evil spirits

01:10:01.200 are because they are evil spirits.

01:10:02.980 You can't go at this half-baked, right?

01:10:04.900 There is clearly a concerted force within, uh, some massive influential force, uh, in America

01:10:12.520 that believes in this, that is defined in it, that is worshiping Moloch, that, that knows

01:10:19.720 the spirits and the demons. 1.00

01:10:21.320 And these motherfuckers are in control of a lot more than I think people are comfortable 1.00

01:10:25.380 saying. 1.00

01:10:25.900 If they are that willing to define things and understand things, it is beholden upon us

01:10:31.660 to define and understand those things.

01:10:33.960 Because if not, we're half-baked and we're going at things too soft.

01:10:37.320 This is, we're, we're engaged in spiritual warfare.

01:10:40.920 We look at these things, I say, what do you think about Gilgamesh and the Resurrection

01:10:44.520 Chamber and Hillary Clinton does this? 1.00

01:10:46.160 What do we think about the fucking temples that are on Epstein's Island and the fact that 0.99

01:10:50.080 he's sacrificing kids and all we're talking about is 16-year-olds giving him back rubs, 0.99

01:10:53.960 right?

01:10:54.280 What do you think about the fact that Hollywood is inundating us with like really strange,

01:10:58.740 esoteric, but occultly true, uh, uh, subliminal messaging constantly?

01:11:03.540 It's not even subliminal anymore. 0.99

01:11:04.600 These motherfuckers are executing it to the T, but our understanding of these evil spirits 1.00

01:11:10.760 is so loose. 1.00

01:11:12.380 It's, it's cursory.

01:11:13.580 We spend our time.

01:11:14.680 That's why I, I'll joke around a lot and it's a, it's a half-hearted joke. 1.00

01:11:17.920 I say politics is gay and retarded. 1.00

01:11:19.260 And the reason I say that is because I believe that the actual fight that we're meant to be 0.99

01:11:23.820 fighting is a spiritual one.

01:11:25.480 And until we can resolve that, the politics of man simply means nothing, right?

01:11:30.180 And if that truly is, you have this realization, God is real.

01:11:33.680 Well, that should maybe be, probably be, no, it should definitely be the most important

01:11:40.120 realization of any human being's life. 0.99

01:11:42.800 Holy shit. 1.00

01:11:43.480 God is real. 0.99

01:11:44.400 He's the creator of this universe.

01:11:45.740 Whatever tenacity I was previously applying to the other study that I was interested in

01:11:50.440 should now be applied to understanding this.

01:11:52.960 And the more you understand it, the more you start to realize, yeah, there is dark spirits 0.99

01:11:57.540 or dark forces and I need to understand this shit definitively. 0.98

01:12:01.760 I think it's not by accident that the West has been stripped entirely of our understanding 0.99

01:12:06.100 of, of the spiritual realm.

01:12:07.600 It's, it's the most, I mean...

01:12:09.820 Well, according to Tucker Carlson, it's been intentional.

01:12:12.440 And here we are.

01:12:13.760 And maybe, and maybe it has been, but a question for you guys.

01:12:16.480 Do you think that, that truth is synonymous or a very important aspect when it comes to

01:12:23.020 God or religiosity or whatever?

01:12:25.640 Did you say truth?

01:12:26.660 Yes.

01:12:27.420 Truth?

01:12:27.720 Yeah.

01:12:27.880 I think that, that God, uh, it's my contention.

01:12:30.800 Jesus Christ is the embodiment of truth.

01:12:33.400 God is truth.

01:12:34.640 There is, there is something about dwelling within the spirit of truth that is constantly

01:12:40.200 drawing you closer, uh, in a relationship with God.

01:12:43.660 It's the spirit of truth.

01:12:45.120 There's something about the word truth too, like, or just the idea of truth.

01:12:48.120 And Dave knows with standup comedy, it's only funny because it's true.

01:12:52.520 When you say it, it's true.

01:12:53.940 And other people go, oh, and like you tickle their inside or whatever.

01:12:57.120 And then it may, they make a mouth noise because you've, you've kind of manipulated them with

01:13:01.180 this true thing.

01:13:02.380 And isn't it interesting that Western culture right now has stripped us of that relationship

01:13:07.440 and remove the idea of, of an objective truth that now there are multiple truths.

01:13:12.580 And this is a culturally significant phenomenon.

01:13:14.860 Well, your truth is, is, is what's true to you and it's valid.

01:13:18.780 Your truth is valid. 0.99

01:13:19.860 It's like, no, the fuck it's not. 0.99

01:13:20.920 There is one truth. 0.99

01:13:22.100 And, and I think that even that the removal of your relationship with truth and the fact

01:13:27.020 that truth is, is subjective from one person to another is also by design.

01:13:31.160 If, if Tucker Carlson thinks that we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual

01:13:34.500 realm by design, I would say we've been stripped of our relationship with the truth

01:13:38.120 by design.

01:13:38.620 I totally agree with that.

01:13:40.180 But the, the reason I asked that is because it seems like the implications of top even wanting

01:13:44.500 this conversation to begin with is that we aren't ultimately pointing our audience to

01:13:49.220 God, to Jesus Christ.

01:13:50.600 And therefore the, like your, even your, your post about this said, I just want to know

01:13:55.160 where this is going.

01:13:55.980 Well, from my, from my vantage point, I'm going towards the truth, whether, whether the,

01:14:00.960 just because I don't know that Jesus Christ is King and that, that is your truth. 0.96

01:14:05.740 And like, that is where, maybe that's where I end up.

01:14:07.900 I don't know.

01:14:08.400 Um, but as far as I'm concerned, every single day I am dedicated to the truth.

01:14:13.180 So as long as that's the, the, the path that I'm on, I think I'm, I'm leading my audience

01:14:18.300 down a, a holistic, healthy path too.

01:14:21.100 And many of them, many of my, in my audience are Christian already.

01:14:24.340 Uh, and they agree with you guys more than they do me.

01:14:26.860 Probably.

01:14:27.180 I would, I would agree with that.

01:14:28.500 I think that's the, that's the value.

01:14:30.340 So like your concerns about what Dave and I are doing, I think are misguided because I

01:14:35.440 think that Dave and I are both headed towards the truth.

01:14:38.180 Yeah.

01:14:38.360 I also, I also think that, you know, because of, because we kind of like entered the libertarian

01:14:45.220 party and, and had the whole takeover of the thing.

01:14:47.740 And it was the plan of running for me for president and all that stuff.

01:14:51.080 It's almost like sometimes people misunderstood what I tried to be very clear about the whole

01:14:56.080 time, which is that there's almost like there's this realm of like telling the truth.

01:15:00.580 And then there's this realm of like having some type of political strategy and like,

01:15:05.820 this is how we're going to gain power.

01:15:07.740 And this is how we're going to use the levers of power.

01:15:09.840 And I was never, I was never playing in that game.

01:15:13.040 The whole thing with the libertarian, the whole thing, even when I was considering and

01:15:16.240 planning on running for president was that, Oh, it'll just be like a big giant speaking

01:15:20.220 tour.

01:15:20.560 We'll throw like a big, huge, giant truth telling speaking tour.

01:15:23.920 I'm going to tell the truth louder.

01:15:25.300 Like, like a lot of people hear me when I tell the truth, that was all it ever was.

01:15:28.600 And I, you know, I posted, um, the other day I was, I just went on a long rant about this

01:15:34.600 on my podcast, but I posted the other day, this thing, a tweet that kind of like went

01:15:37.940 viral, uh, where I said, Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump will

01:15:41.940 ever be or something like that. 0.98

01:15:43.480 Those type of short, like provocative tweets always get a lot of fucking, you know, attention, 0.94

01:15:47.760 but I just said it because I saw, I saw him telling the truth about Israel on Tucker's 0.99

01:15:52.660 show.

01:15:52.900 And then I saw Trump lying on about Israel on some interview. 0.99

01:15:56.640 And I was like, fucking Thomas Massey's more American. 0.98

01:15:59.360 And I, there were so many people like Trump supporters who were like responded, like, 0.99

01:16:02.820 why would you say this?

01:16:03.980 Like, why now, Dave, why even take it up?

01:16:06.140 Massey's not running for president, but Trump is.

01:16:08.520 So why would you say this when this could hurt Donald Trump?

01:16:11.000 We need to get Biden out.

01:16:12.180 And I'm almost like still baffled by the question.

01:16:14.580 Cause you're just like, why would I say that?

01:16:16.960 Oh, cause it's true.

01:16:18.940 I believe it.

01:16:20.560 That's a lot of what I thought was really strange.

01:16:22.260 It was like, after he got charged, I saw a lot of people suddenly hop on this Trump 2024

01:16:26.160 thing.

01:16:26.900 And all I could remember was the countless instances of, you know, him kissing the wall.

01:16:32.240 Just this, there's, there's a love relationship, uh, with him.

01:16:35.340 And then they give him the, the crown. 0.99

01:16:37.220 What was the name of the fucking crown top? 0.99

01:16:38.900 I don't know if you, uh, have it off the top of your head. 0.99

01:16:41.100 Let me see if I can find it. 0.97

01:16:42.160 Some kind of prince or some shit like that. 0.96

01:16:43.400 Yeah. 0.59

01:16:43.840 And they're likening him to a Messiah on a regular basis, like a part of the Golan Heights

01:16:48.520 after him or something like that.

01:16:50.260 I get, yeah, it's, uh, it's, but look, man, like people.

01:16:53.620 So, so that is just to the point that Clint was making is that it's like, I don't know.

01:16:57.460 I feel like if you, if you're asking like where this is all going, it's almost like, look, 0.83

01:17:02.120 man, like all I've ever said about this shit is that I'm gonna, um, I'm going to tell 0.95

01:17:09.440 the truth. 0.98

01:17:10.000 I'm gonna try to be like, I'm going to try to be a good person, like personally, like

01:17:14.500 I'm going to try to be a good father and a good husband and good friend.

01:17:17.900 And then I'm going to tell the truth to my audience.

01:17:20.920 And that's in a sense, like that's an article of faith on my point.

01:17:24.900 I just think that's what I'm supposed to be doing.

01:17:27.380 And so I'll continue to do that.

01:17:28.740 And it feels right too.

01:17:29.300 For me, I'll just speak for myself.

01:17:30.560 Like that, I, the reason I'm so passionate about what I'm doing is that I've never lived

01:17:36.840 more closely to the truth than I have over the past three, four years, since I started

01:17:41.340 my show.

01:17:41.880 Like it is, it's so gratifying.

01:17:44.180 It tells me every day that what I'm doing is the right thing to be doing.

01:17:48.180 Um, and I think for, for that reason, I've become more successful in doing what I'm doing

01:17:52.060 because I feel that so strongly.

01:17:54.100 Um, so this is why I don't have many doubts.

01:17:57.100 I mean, I obviously I always have doubts in whether or not I have the truth.

01:18:00.540 Correct.

01:18:00.900 I'm always reassessing that, but I have very little doubt as to whether or not what I'm

01:18:04.980 doing is good.

01:18:05.900 I'm very confident that what I'm doing is good.

01:18:07.880 I want to ask you guys both something and I'll try to put this as simply as possible. 0.56

01:18:13.260 Um, why are you guys have a, are you gay? 0.93

01:18:16.060 Do you own yourself?

01:18:17.420 Uh, you guys both have this, uh, tenacity about you that is admirable, right?

01:18:23.000 It's, it's something to really behold to see what you guys have accomplished over your

01:18:27.080 careers.

01:18:27.480 Um, Clint, I've been watching you lately and it's, it's fucking cool to know you. 0.63

01:18:33.200 Well, thanks.

01:18:33.600 And what I am wondering is when you see these things that are compelling, right?

01:18:38.220 We talk about this Luciferian backdrop in American culture and we talk about the weird characters

01:18:44.960 within the political realm that seem to be adhering to it.

01:18:48.260 And we talk about the compelling case for God, especially after 2020, I think culture really

01:18:53.680 turned a corner and, um, and we realized there's something more going on.

01:18:58.560 I don't know if it was the free time that we had because of the lockdowns doesn't matter.

01:19:02.620 Um, but there are all of the signs I think have been dialed all the way up to 10.

01:19:09.380 What is it that, and, and maybe you are moving towards it.

01:19:13.040 Maybe you're moving towards it at your own pace.

01:19:15.200 This, this isn't accusatory in any way.

01:19:17.000 So if it comes off that way, it's my inability to articulate it.

01:19:20.380 What is it that keeps you from seeing this thing, this, this image of God, this potentiality

01:19:26.900 for him existing, this, uh, apparatus that is in opposition to him, right?

01:19:32.300 And, and it's, it's prevalence within, within our society.

01:19:35.200 What is it that keeps you from moving towards that with the same tenacity that you've moved

01:19:42.100 towards other things in your life?

01:19:44.300 In other words, the reason I never got into politics is because when I was a much younger

01:19:49.780 man, I saw this part first.

01:19:52.840 It wasn't because I was smart. 0.99

01:19:53.740 It was just, I didn't, I was too dumb for politics. 0.99

01:19:56.100 Maybe that was it. 0.58

01:19:56.980 I just looked at that and, and it, it came way later.

01:19:59.840 It wasn't on my radar.

01:20:00.660 It was this, this symbolism, this existence of this evil spirits, whatever the hell it

01:20:06.440 is.

01:20:06.720 And I moved towards that.

01:20:07.960 And the more I moved towards it, the more it seemed like there was really something there.

01:20:10.580 What is it that keeps you from moving towards this with the same tenacity that you've attacked

01:20:16.100 other things?

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01:20:48.320 You want to go first, Dave?

01:20:50.680 Okay.

01:20:51.200 Um, well, I don't, I kind of reject the premise of the question.

01:20:58.540 Like, I don't really think, um, there's something that I'm like, there's any way that I'm not

01:21:04.740 moving toward that.

01:21:05.860 I mean, like, but I also just think of that as a very personal thing.

01:21:09.780 I mean, like if you, like, I don't know, Top's like maybe been a fan of mine for a while and

01:21:14.700 Clint has known me for a while.

01:21:16.260 Like before we were like, knew each other.

01:21:18.140 I'm a fan.

01:21:18.840 Well, I think, but I'm saying before, like I, uh, before I knew you guys, I mean, like

01:21:22.960 I was living like a really degenerate lifestyle and I live like the most traditional lifestyle

01:21:28.200 of anyone I know at this point.

01:21:31.020 And, um, I was, dude, I was listening to skanks when you were still talking about, you know, 0.91

01:21:35.120 picking up girls on the road and shit. 0.77

01:21:36.480 So I know, I mean, I was, you know, I was, I was, and a lot of that has had to do with 0.99

01:21:41.360 finding God, but I also do think that, well, number one, there's where God has given us

01:21:50.500 this material realm, you know, and like our job I think is to live in it.

01:21:55.140 And it's not as if I can like ask God to just stop the wars.

01:22:00.440 And then he's going to do that because he's given us free will.

01:22:04.300 And my only hope is to persuade other human beings to stop doing stuff that they don't

01:22:08.840 have to do where like real human misery doesn't have to be caused.

01:22:12.400 And I'm pretty good at persuading them of that.

01:22:14.660 And every fiber of my being tells me that what I'm doing is my calling in life.

01:22:19.680 So I don't think that I'm moving away from that.

01:22:22.380 I think I'm like, I'm, I've never felt so much in my life.

01:22:26.040 Like I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing.

01:22:28.980 Can I rephrase it just a little bit, Dave?

01:22:30.680 Because I think that I, maybe I didn't articulate it the right way.

01:22:34.400 When I say that tenacity, I mean like this, this sort of fingernail that scratches at a topic

01:22:40.420 and goes, I need to learn more about that.

01:22:44.080 Like, dude, you.

01:22:45.680 Hey, Dave, what do you, what do you think about?

01:22:47.500 Like, so you, you were interviewed by Candace Owens and, uh, she got in trouble for saying

01:22:52.000 Christ is King.

01:22:53.240 What, what do you think about that?

01:22:55.020 Like, why is that significant?

01:22:56.960 And why is that even a meme in today's culture?

01:22:59.360 What does that mean?

01:23:01.160 Well, I think, I think that Candace, Candace is very smart.

01:23:07.600 And I think she knew what she was doing with that.

01:23:11.220 And she knew it was the perfect way to kind of needle this, this thing where you, you know,

01:23:18.640 look, it's, it's in a sense, I'm not saying these are exactly the same, but I'm just saying

01:23:22.380 when all lives matter was the counter to black lives matter, they knew what they were doing, 0.96

01:23:27.700 but then they were also picking a phrase that if you had any problem with, you're like,

01:23:33.960 well, what are you saying?

01:23:35.220 Are you saying all lives don't matter?

01:23:36.880 And there was kind of like, there's something, uh, witty and, and intelligent about like

01:23:41.280 setting it up that way.

01:23:42.500 So I thought that Candace was kind of needling, you know what I mean?

01:23:46.140 Like the Zionists at her network, but she was also kind of sending this message that 0.99

01:23:50.480 it's like, well, first of all, what are you going to do?

01:23:52.300 Have an objection to kind of a foundational claim of, of Christianity or, um, and also at

01:24:00.020 the same time kind of telling people that it's like, Hey, Christian Americans, this is what

01:24:04.280 our priority should be, not whatever this other agenda is that has nothing to do with

01:24:10.300 Christ being King.

01:24:11.800 So doesn't it make you pause like for a second? 1.00

01:24:14.380 Cause the people that lost their shit over Christ as King were Talmudic Jews. 1.00

01:24:19.020 And in that book, they think that Jesus Christ is boiling in piss and excrement. 1.00

01:24:22.740 This is what it says. 0.97

01:24:23.760 And I think what's worth saying on that topic is that for the past, I don't know how long

01:24:27.960 guys, four decades, something like that.

01:24:30.480 You've, it's been free range on Christianity.

01:24:32.260 You've been allowed to dunk on Jesus on stage with a microphone in your hand to the tune

01:24:37.380 of, you know, thousands and thousands of people applauding it.

01:24:40.980 Right.

01:24:41.140 And then all of a sudden there is this moment that we're experiencing right now where Christians 1.00

01:24:45.960 are sort of taking, let's just call the Christ is King thing, something that resembles

01:24:50.340 a hard stance, you know, something that resembles a backbone for the first time in a long time.

01:24:55.220 And it's not received well.

01:24:58.180 It's also been open season on white people.

01:25:00.340 I don't think that that means that, that being white is, is now what we should all aspire to

01:25:05.520 be.

01:25:06.060 I aspire constantly.

01:25:07.840 So I'm just making the point that just, uh, I just want to be clear.

01:25:11.800 Clint doesn't speak for both of us.

01:25:13.160 I think you guys should aspire to be white and I believe, I believe one day God will 1.00

01:25:20.420 and you guys will get there. 0.90

01:25:21.320 But to go back to top's earlier question, Jews aren't white, Dave.

01:25:26.960 To go, to go back to top's earlier point.

01:25:31.100 I think that the point that you're driving at, and I actually agree with it is that the

01:25:34.580 reason that there was such a, not, not, I won't go the tactical angle of, of Dave describing

01:25:39.560 why Candace did what she did, but rather, why did that have a moment in the zeitgeist? 0.81

01:25:44.300 Why did the, the people react to it?

01:25:46.260 It's because God, God has been suppressed.

01:25:49.180 I mean, because Christianity has been suppressed because the people that are, are now finding 1.00

01:25:53.420 religion for the first time, uh, are, are recognizing that that's the current paradigm

01:25:58.440 in which they exist and they are rebelling against it.

01:26:01.100 So for her to say so in a declaratory fashion against her boss's will was a galvanizing moment

01:26:06.020 for that movement.

01:26:06.760 And I think that's, that's the answer as to why it had such a big effect.

01:26:11.160 Well, can I, to, to top's point that, um, well, I think you didn't exactly finish, but

01:26:16.100 you were saying like, well, look, a lot of the people getting upset about this are Orthodox

01:26:19.300 Jews who believe in, you know, in the Tomlet, it says this or that about Jesus or not just

01:26:23.620 Orthodox Jews, but Zionist Jews, the same ones that are fulfilling end time prophecy and 1.00

01:26:27.540 about to start world war three for no reason.

01:26:30.440 I mean, God, for when they, when they try to build their third temple on the Alaska mosque, 0.97

01:26:34.100 I mean, you're going to be talking about that on part of the problem, but this is all biblical 0.67

01:26:37.300 stuff. 0.99

01:26:37.720 So I'm just looking at it and saying like, Hey, what the fuck guys? 0.99

01:26:40.620 Like nobody is putting these pieces here together as well. 0.99

01:26:44.180 Cause I don't know.

01:26:45.160 I mean, you know, I don't know the, the problem with putting pieces together.

01:26:49.720 It's the problem with, um, with seeing patterns, uh, as, as people like to say, what is it?

01:26:55.620 The, uh, no, let's not forget that during the beginning of COVID, if you were seeing patterns

01:27:00.060 and you were saying that things, things don't add up, this was very much, you were unvaccinated.

01:27:05.960 It was an epidemic of the unvaccinated.

01:27:07.360 No, but my, my argument isn't that like patterns are never indicative of anything.

01:27:13.440 Um, and I think I did see the patterns pretty well with COVID and I have a nice pure blood

01:27:19.620 family.

01:27:20.780 Um, but, uh, let me just say, thank you.

01:27:23.440 I texted you, I messaged you, uh, before you did the Cuomo debate and I was like, Hey, 0.99

01:27:27.620 like, obviously this is personal to everyone, but I'm like, fucking kill this guy. 0.99

01:27:30.420 And I think you did it. 0.99

01:27:32.040 Thank you.

01:27:32.580 Oh, thank you.

01:27:32.920 Thank you.

01:27:33.300 I appreciate that.

01:27:34.100 Yeah.

01:27:34.340 Oh yeah.

01:27:34.620 Well, I think it, it went good.

01:27:36.620 What I loved is that on your next episode of part of the problem, you use the word cathartic,

01:27:41.260 which I don't think I've ever heard you use.

01:27:42.640 And that's what I texted you after.

01:27:44.100 I said, this is, I don't know how Dave, I don't know how you managed to not let loose 1.00

01:27:49.760 a few shut the fuck up bitches during that. 1.00

01:27:53.060 I mean, I was already, I wasn't going to lose anyone. 1.00

01:27:56.020 I was already just, it was already going right.

01:27:58.320 You were in the zone.

01:27:59.120 It was, it was, it was good to watch.

01:28:00.980 You know, they gave me three hours with them.

01:28:02.680 So it was like, I had more than enough time.

01:28:05.460 I wouldn't, you know what I mean?

01:28:06.240 It's not like they gave me a 30 minute debate or something.

01:28:08.420 Anyway, I want to make this point, but thank you guys.

01:28:10.320 I appreciate it.

01:28:11.140 But the problem with like, and this is what a lot of people will say about the Jews, right?

01:28:15.200 It's like, we're just noticing patterns and all of this.

01:28:17.520 The problem with that is that when you already start with what the pattern is supposed to be

01:28:22.760 at the end, you can create all types of patterns.

01:28:26.360 And, but this is, it's the same thing the radical feminists are doing when they say, oh, look 1.00

01:28:30.780 at the fortune 500 CEOs.

01:28:32.780 They're all men. 0.99

01:28:34.400 See, we're noticing a pattern.

01:28:36.180 It's like, yeah, but you're just looking at this and then you're ignoring like that.

01:28:40.020 That's a tiny substrata of men.

01:28:41.900 And there's all these other men who completely contradict that.

01:28:44.800 And so I just say that, look, there's lots of stuff in Chris, in Christians books and

01:28:53.040 the Jews books and Muslims books that you don't actually really live by.

01:28:58.420 And most Christians don't really, even really, really devout Christians. 0.65

01:29:02.060 You can find passages in the new Testament where you're kind of like, yeah, no one was

01:29:06.420 really thinking about that.

01:29:07.660 Things in the old Testament, you can find all this stuff.

01:29:10.520 No one's really thinking about the rules of how you're allowed to beat your slave.

01:29:13.600 That's just kind of been rejected.

01:29:15.420 I didn't think there was rules to that.

01:29:16.780 I thought you could just beat your slave, but to Top's point.

01:29:19.460 No, there are rules.

01:29:20.440 There's rules.

01:29:21.220 It's like, with a closed fist only?

01:29:23.220 No, it's like, it's about how long he falls down and how, before, how long he gets up.

01:29:28.140 Like if he doesn't get up for a full day or something like that, it's like, but, but

01:29:33.820 anyway, so I'm just saying that, look, a lot of these guys, I do think sometimes there's

01:29:38.000 like the, the simpler answer can actually be correct.

01:29:41.580 A lot of these guys, there is an overwhelming connection to Israel and they have been told

01:29:50.780 for a long time that they're literally, you guys were, you know, we were almost exterminated.

01:29:57.960 They would do it in a second again.

01:29:59.740 The only reason that's not happening is because this government exists and there, and your

01:30:04.640 entire identity is tied to like making sure this thing exists and they will snap back.

01:30:11.660 They weren't angry at Candace just for tweeting Christ the King. 0.96

01:30:14.680 They were angry at Candace for fucking really exposing how evil the war was. 0.96

01:30:19.480 You know, she was pretty unrelenting in that. 0.94

01:30:21.880 And that's what, and then doing that and making it, there was, there was like a danger in her

01:30:28.500 from their perspective to her doing that.

01:30:31.220 It was like, oh, you're rallying.

01:30:32.680 Look, the whole, like the whole Israel supporting dynamic kind of relies on the fact that, okay,

01:30:39.820 so you have this group of very influential.

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01:31:09.040 Jews who all support Israel, but they know they're only a tiny, tiny little percentage

01:31:16.720 of the population, you know, and like, and I don't mean 2%, like Jews, they're way smaller 1.00

01:31:21.900 than 2%, they're 2% of Jews, you know what I mean? 0.81

01:31:24.580 There's like a tiny, tiny little group of people, and then they have to have all of these Christians 1.00

01:31:29.940 on board with them.

01:31:31.680 They have to have the evangelical church saying, you know what I mean, like, or the evangelical

01:31:36.380 churches saying that, you know, you have to support Israel no matter what.

01:31:40.240 They have to have all your Fox News and Daily Wire watching uncles being like, yeah, being

01:31:46.480 pro-Israel is part of our conservative identity.

01:31:48.520 They have to have that because if they don't, they know they can't support this project.

01:31:52.420 And that in their mind means they're going to be genocided.

01:31:54.880 And so then, when someone comes out and is trying to undermine support for Israel and

01:31:59.360 then using Christian, like, calls to action, in a sense, from their perspective, they go,

01:32:07.220 oh my God, that's way more appealing than what we're selling.

01:32:10.200 We're talking to 99% Christians here.

01:32:12.680 You know what I mean?

01:32:13.260 Like, so there's, I think that in itself explains why there was such a snapback against her.

01:32:18.740 And don't get me wrong, I'm firmly on Candace's side of this argument, but I'm just saying,

01:32:23.580 like, I think that's how I understand the dynamic more.

01:32:27.840 Okay, can I, I never got to answer your question, David.

01:32:30.880 So, real quick, the reason I haven't pursued Christianity with as much fervor.

01:32:36.460 Oh, can I just clarify it?

01:32:37.520 And then you could pick it up right there.

01:32:38.640 What I mean to say is the tenacity with which you dissect things, especially in this particular

01:32:45.240 case, politics, or even, you know, the COVID epidemic, that tendency to keep digging and

01:32:52.680 keep digging and learn more and learn more.

01:32:54.580 That's what I mean.

01:32:55.680 Yeah, no, I think that the answer is that I have a lot of doubt.

01:32:59.840 You know, I have a real hard time with leaps of faith.

01:33:03.820 I have a hard time with reading ancient documents and pretending that this is actually God's

01:33:09.340 words in any form or fashion.

01:33:11.000 Like, that's all very challenging for me.

01:33:13.200 And I think also what I've seen in the Christian community has put me off to a large extent. 1.00

01:33:19.000 Like, I'll say some things that are really unpopular, even amongst you guys, I think.

01:33:23.800 You know, I see the humanity in the, even the libertarians that I disagree with when it

01:33:28.660 comes to transitioning children.

01:33:29.960 Like, I see that they are concerned about the fact that so many of them are going to

01:33:34.340 kill themselves.

01:33:35.180 So they're like, do whatever we have to do, you know, even if that includes puberty blockers 0.87

01:33:40.620 or whatever else.

01:33:41.440 And it's like, okay, well, look, I think that they're wrong.

01:33:44.400 Well, like, if you buy into the propaganda that that is a little girl trapped in a little

01:33:47.600 boy's body, you know what I'm saying?

01:33:49.700 That requires a leap of faith.

01:33:51.480 But if you, but I'm just saying, if you buy into the first fundamental lie, you can see

01:33:55.800 where, like, a good person would come to this, like, horrific outcome.

01:33:59.300 Right, but a good person who's not done the research to learn that there's a...

01:34:02.820 Sure, but that doesn't take away from Clint's point.

01:34:05.200 He's not saying they're not wrong. 1.00

01:34:06.620 He's just saying he sees their humanity.

01:34:07.300 No, I'm saying very explicitly, I think that they are wrong.

01:34:09.540 I'm just saying that I see the humanity in it.

01:34:12.040 I can still see a good-spirited analysis that leads you to that.

01:34:16.880 Like, I don't think Chase Oliver is evil.

01:34:18.800 Maybe he is.

01:34:19.560 I don't know.

01:34:20.000 But, like, my assessment of these people, my assessment of my opposition politically

01:34:25.060 in basically all ways is, like, I see the humanity in the Russians.

01:34:29.700 I see the humanity in Ukrainians and the Palestinians and the Israelis.

01:34:33.000 Like, I don't like it when we get into this tribal worldview of, like, there is only one

01:34:37.460 path and anybody in opposition to me is ultimately evil.

01:34:40.320 I just don't think it's true.

01:34:41.900 I really don't. 0.98

01:34:42.580 So, like, you're also, you know, Daryl Cooper, who really is just, like, one of the fucking 0.85

01:34:47.120 best, like, voices in the country on the Israel-Palestine conflict. 0.65

01:34:51.440 Like, the guy's just incredible.

01:34:53.020 But I do, he had some post about this that I really loved, where he was saying, like,

01:34:57.460 listen, man, like, the group of people who are demonizing all Palestinians and how they're

01:35:02.200 fought, you know what I mean?

01:35:02.960 Like, they're all basically Hamas supporters.

01:35:04.820 They had elections.

01:35:05.600 There's no innocent Palestinians. 1.00

01:35:06.720 And the people who are demonizing all Jews and saying, oh, this is all, like, a Jewish

01:35:11.380 plot or whatever it is, it's, like, you guys are exactly the same.

01:35:15.900 You're the exact same person.

01:35:17.360 You're just to, like, win points with your little in-group.

01:35:22.100 You're willing to, like, demonize an entire group of people, which is, like, you're just 0.99

01:35:27.120 playing into the oldest thing in the book, which is, like, I'm not saying you're a fucking 0.97

01:35:32.320 Nazi or you're responsible for a genocide, but that impulse that you're, like, having, 0.99

01:35:37.200 that is the impulse that, like, gives cover to shit like that happening, is pretending 0.99

01:35:41.180 one group of people have, like, no humanity at all and casting, like, this wide brush 0.98

01:35:46.680 with all of that.

01:35:47.640 It's the very nature of war.

01:35:49.060 A lot of those, now, that doesn't mean that a lot of those people aren't caught up in

01:35:52.920 something pretty evil.

01:35:54.440 Well, how do you stand in opposition to it if any opposition to it looks like hatred?

01:35:58.580 Like, I can call these people lost retards for wanting to transition children, but that 1.00

01:36:04.120 doesn't mean that I want to rally the troops and start marching on cities to go and, you

01:36:09.260 know what I mean?

01:36:09.680 Like, they are uneducated.

01:36:13.240 They lack information.

01:36:14.260 And by that notion, they're incredibly dangerous.

01:36:18.320 And so, really, does it matter if they're evil or not?

01:36:21.500 If the thing that they're executing for lack of information is evil itself?

01:36:26.360 Transitioning children is evil. 1.00

01:36:27.780 Yes, 100%.

01:36:29.160 But there's, you know, it's like the red pill, blue pill distinction, I think, is really

01:36:35.460 more what captures it.

01:36:36.800 Like, they're under a trance.

01:36:38.180 They're under a spell of some sort, you know?

01:36:40.340 Right.

01:36:40.520 And if there are no amount of words that'll wake them up...

01:36:43.060 Well, I don't know.

01:36:44.100 I don't know exactly what the answer is, you know?

01:36:45.760 Yeah, but that's just not true, because there are people that are reachable.

01:36:48.400 Well, there are certainly people who are reachable.

01:36:49.920 Right, but we're running into this situation where it's like the amount of people that you

01:36:53.480 can reach is being far exceeded by the degradation of the country.

01:36:58.760 The country is spiraling.

01:37:00.140 And I'm not advocating for anything.

01:37:01.520 I'm just saying the facts.

01:37:02.480 The facts are, we seemingly cannot reach enough people to repair the damage that's happening

01:37:07.520 to our culture.

01:37:08.180 Our culture is spiraling downward at a faster pace than we can repair it.

01:37:12.420 So what's the answer?

01:37:13.340 Stop.

01:37:14.160 You know?

01:37:14.440 You got to keep trying.

01:37:16.080 Can I swing the conversation real quick?

01:37:17.360 And then I'm going to respect your time, Dave, and let you get out of here.

01:37:19.820 But I think it's a good jumping off point here.

01:37:21.860 I listened to Naebu Kaley speak with Tucker Carlson.

01:37:26.460 And this is what he's espousing are obviously not libertarian ideals, but they're quite effective.

01:37:32.300 And I think that that might be where this conversation is headed in.

01:37:35.580 Did you see that episode?

01:37:37.020 No, I haven't.

01:37:38.520 Is that a new one?

01:37:40.620 Yes, it was two weeks ago.

01:37:42.500 No, I don't know.

01:37:43.400 I don't know.

01:37:44.380 If you show me a picture of the guy, maybe I would know who you're talking about, but

01:37:47.300 I'm not.

01:37:47.960 Oh, it's the president of El Salvador.

01:37:50.680 He said.

01:37:50.940 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:37:52.120 I'm sorry.

01:37:52.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:53.520 No, I did.

01:37:54.120 I saw like a couple clips of it.

01:37:58.540 And while he's pulling that up, I think somebody in the chat said it.

01:38:01.100 It is clear that the point that we're at right now as a culture, once again, not posing

01:38:08.460 a solution.

01:38:09.940 Maybe there are there is one.

01:38:11.480 But it is very clear that tolerance is what's gotten us to this point.

01:38:16.820 In other words, this idea of like live and let live as long as you're not being hurt by

01:38:22.660 another person seemingly is is virtuous until you realize that the immediate threat of violence

01:38:28.640 isn't the only threat to a culture.

01:38:30.220 And maybe, in fact, subversive ideologies are much more of a threat to a culture.

01:38:35.400 Well, here's here's the now we're sitting in a place where that that kind of ideology

01:38:38.600 has gotten us here.

01:38:40.100 Here's the important thing to note about that, though.

01:38:41.760 When when I hear people on the right talking about, you know, basically getting rid of 0.99

01:38:46.380 tolerance and cracking down on all this shit, you guys need to realize you have no power. 0.98

01:38:50.780 You have no political power whatsoever to actually implement what you're talking about. 0.99

01:38:54.320 So every single ounce of power that you give the state at this point is going to be used

01:38:58.680 to just crush you.

01:38:59.560 So this is the reason I'm in the persuasion.

01:39:02.560 So aggressively as I am, I'd say I like I agree with what Clint said, but I actually I

01:39:07.980 do at least to a large percent say I like 90 percent reject your premise about like 10 percent

01:39:15.700 of it, I think, is is maybe true.

01:39:17.180 But I think that when people say which is this is a very popular kind of like view on the

01:39:23.340 the the hard right that's critical of libertarians, that tolerance really is what allowed us to

01:39:29.900 get to this place.

01:39:30.680 But I don't really think that's 100 percent true.

01:39:34.100 In fact, that wasn't even really the problem.

01:39:36.600 I mean, first of all, the the spirit certainly was not tolerance, not in any like classical

01:39:42.840 liberal sense of the word or something like that.

01:39:45.140 It wasn't that the message was ever we must just be tolerant of other people's choices.

01:39:49.940 It was full blown acceptance wrapped in like civil rights, like neo civil rights language.

01:39:57.440 It was victim groups are owed something by the oppressors and the oppressors are anyone

01:40:02.820 succeeding.

01:40:03.460 It was like a demonization of the normal, the successful, the traditional and this this

01:40:08.940 justification that you owed something to what they are marginalized groups or whatever

01:40:14.920 the hell they did.

01:40:15.980 But that always starts off that always starts off as this plea for tolerance.

01:40:20.240 I remember as a kid, that's it.

01:40:21.580 Yeah.

01:40:21.680 Plea for acceptance.

01:40:23.000 Yeah.

01:40:23.220 Yeah.

01:40:23.380 Well, like we're marching against gay marriage. 0.89

01:40:25.400 And I was like, maybe you shouldn't do that.

01:40:26.940 This is not a good idea.

01:40:28.080 They said, no, no, they'll come for the kids.

01:40:29.480 You don't understand. 1.00

01:40:30.220 And I was like, I don't like that shit. 1.00

01:40:32.260 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:32.580 And now here we are. 0.99

01:40:33.360 And I'm like, fuck, I probably would have marched with you before if I would have known 0.99

01:40:36.400 what this was going to do. 0.99

01:40:37.860 I got to be in New York tomorrow during Gay Pride Month with my kids. 1.00

01:40:41.540 I'm like, I'm not looking forward to this shit. 0.99

01:40:43.140 You know, and we are to Clint's point where he says we don't have any power politically. 0.99

01:40:47.620 I'm not talking about politically because I rarely do.

01:40:49.800 I'm talking about in your own life to not tolerate you.

01:40:53.600 You are.

01:40:54.460 But let me just I just want to continue on the point for a second, because I do think

01:40:57.920 it's somewhat of a fallacy to say that, like, this thing happened before this thing.

01:41:03.840 Thing number two is a problem.

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01:41:36.780 Therefore, thing number one caused thing number two.

01:41:40.740 Like the fact that that followed doesn't necessarily mean it was destined to follow or like at least

01:41:46.840 that doesn't prove the point that it was.

01:41:49.020 It's possible.

01:41:50.020 But sometimes it does.

01:41:51.220 No, no, no.

01:41:52.100 Yeah.

01:41:52.380 But sometimes it does.

01:41:53.140 Doesn't prove the point.

01:41:53.820 Sometimes it doesn't.

01:41:54.580 I'm saying that like the problem came in when we had like it wasn't just preaching tolerance

01:42:01.180 and it became this other thing that was that.

01:42:04.340 And then the real problem came in when the entire power structure got behind it.

01:42:09.460 I mean, like that's really what happened here is that it started in the universities,

01:42:12.880 then the entire corporate media, the entire political class and Hollywood and all of them

01:42:17.140 started pushing all of this stuff.

01:42:18.800 And it's not self-evident to me that the lesson there is that we never should have allowed

01:42:26.060 people to be free or we never should have had tolerance of other people.

01:42:29.620 Like maybe.

01:42:30.620 I mean, maybe it's the gay marriage.

01:42:32.100 We should have never treated slaves because eventually they would demand reparations. 1.00

01:42:36.340 Yeah.

01:42:36.420 Yeah.

01:42:36.620 Like there's that's not exactly clear.

01:42:38.380 But the other thing I was the reason I only said 90 percent is because I do think there

01:42:42.820 is like a 10 percent real truth to the point that I actually I I believe.

01:42:49.140 OK, there was one time Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods show, this is way back in the

01:42:53.320 day where Tom asked him.

01:42:55.040 And I love Gene Epstein, by the way.

01:42:56.540 I've just come to disagree with him on this point where Tom asked him if there was a secondary

01:43:01.060 value to libertarianism aside from non-aggression, what would the next value be?

01:43:07.400 And he said tolerance and he had a good argument for it.

01:43:10.440 He was like, look, if people are going to be free, we have to tolerate that people live

01:43:13.020 different lifestyles.

01:43:13.900 I've kind of come to feel more and more that intolerance is the complementary like view

01:43:20.540 because you just if you're not going to have the government regulating destructive, degenerate

01:43:27.000 behavior, then you have to have other forces to do that.

01:43:30.440 And so I do think that there are certain things that shouldn't be tolerated.

01:43:33.860 And I don't mean by that not allowed or using violence to to shut it down.

01:43:39.000 But I do think that, yes, there is 10 percent of that is true, that it is crazy that we ever

01:43:45.260 tolerated things moving anywhere near the direction.

01:43:48.580 And I don't know exactly what the point should have been.

01:43:51.380 Like, I don't know if gay marriage is the point where we should have, like, had a problem

01:43:54.880 with that.

01:43:55.420 Um, I don't see there seems to be a force that will always it's before trans and kids.

01:44:01.180 That's for sure.

01:44:01.780 But there does seem to be a force that will always push.

01:44:04.660 There is no stopping it.

01:44:05.900 Right.

01:44:06.540 That's seems to be.

01:44:07.940 Yeah, it will always be pushing.

01:44:09.840 So a line has to be drawn somewhere.

01:44:12.100 And what will happen is when that line is drawn, you will have to fight at that line in perpetuity.

01:44:16.920 Yeah, the revolution is pushing, it's always going to use things like the non-aggression

01:44:21.500 principle to, like, just subvert and push further.

01:44:24.700 Well, what do you mean by that?

01:44:25.980 When do they use the non-aggression principle?

01:44:28.640 He's saying that that it drops our defenses because until they're actually actively aggressive

01:44:33.600 upon us, we won't defend ourselves.

01:44:35.320 I understand the argument.

01:44:36.000 It's gone too far.

01:44:36.980 Yeah.

01:44:37.200 And he's saying that at that point, it's too late.

01:44:39.140 I look, the reason I, David, I understand that you were not talking politics.

01:44:42.480 The reason I took it to the politics level is because exactly what David is describing.

01:44:46.200 The entire power structure decided to propagate this narrative and to push it into every aspect

01:44:51.780 of our lives without, like, the reason that you need politics and power to fight this to

01:44:56.580 some extent is because power and politics is the reason that this is transpiring.

01:45:01.180 It's not just because gay people were allowed to get married.

01:45:04.240 What I would argue then is-

01:45:05.460 All of Hollywood is telling you to do it because the entire public education system is telling

01:45:09.040 these kids that this is the way to live.

01:45:10.400 And if you're not living this way, you're a bigot. 0.99

01:45:12.040 And ultimately, you probably ought to be gay or trans because otherwise you're part of 1.00

01:45:15.580 the oppressor class. 1.00

01:45:16.560 This is a sick ideology that's pervasive across the board on all levels.

01:45:20.240 So you've got to fight it on all levels.

01:45:22.220 These kind of things don't work on a populace that's not willing to accept it.

01:45:26.180 And that's kind of like-

01:45:26.860 Correct.

01:45:27.140 What I wanted to talk about here today.

01:45:28.900 Sure.

01:45:29.280 The idea of tolerance, the idea of God.

01:45:31.240 If we got this, Owen Benjamin would say, you get the government that you deserve.

01:45:34.820 And he's kind of right. 0.99

01:45:36.140 So the shit that we're complaining about, it's- 0.99

01:45:37.960 If we had a culture that we could inject God back into, then it doesn't matter what corporation 1.00

01:45:43.780 is knocking at your door trying to serve you up Satanism, it would stop at the door.

01:45:47.980 I don't agree with that.

01:45:49.060 First off, I just completely reject that.

01:45:52.540 And I think it might sound nice as a slogan, but I think it's actually pretty vapid.

01:45:57.700 And I don't know what-

01:45:58.860 I don't think the North Koreans deserve their government. 1.00

01:46:01.820 I don't think Gaza deserves to be ruled by Egypt, I mean by Israel.

01:46:06.520 I don't think any of that is exactly right.

01:46:09.400 I do think that it's like, yes, maybe a more accurate thing would be something like, you

01:46:15.200 get the government that you're either powerless to prevent or too complicit to be willing to

01:46:22.860 give your life to try to fight and stop.

01:46:25.200 I mean, it's like, the truth of the matter is actually doesn't fit onto a neat little

01:46:29.000 slogan like that.

01:46:29.800 Honestly, to say, we're not saying that the North Korean people deserve this government.

01:46:34.260 But you get the government you deserve.

01:46:36.140 But there are generations into this.

01:46:37.540 What I'm saying is that we started off with freedom.

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01:47:07.180 And now we are here.

01:47:12.140 It's still collected guilt.

01:47:13.140 We've consented.

01:47:13.560 No matter the starting point, it's still collected guilt.

01:47:15.600 But that's the same thing you could say about the North Koreans.

01:47:18.320 I mean, they started off with the ability to create their own country that they wanted.

01:47:22.660 They maintained the northern part of that country after the Korean War.

01:47:25.900 And this is what they're here.

01:47:26.380 They lost it.

01:47:27.100 Right.

01:47:27.500 And I don't think that, like, I don't think it's at all true to say that the people got

01:47:31.560 what they deserve.

01:47:32.780 But I don't know.

01:47:33.860 I don't know the history of this country.

01:47:35.240 I've read Michael Malice's book.

01:47:36.380 But how did you get there?

01:47:38.100 I mean, with America, we could paint a pretty clear picture on how we got here.

01:47:41.800 Well, they embraced communism.

01:47:43.240 I mean, the point is, I have advocated.

01:47:44.900 I've voted against all of it. 0.98

01:47:46.260 I have fucking advocated. 0.97

01:47:47.400 I've been outspoken. 0.98

01:47:48.460 I've spoken to millions of people about how I'm opposed to all of this.

01:47:50.940 I've done everything in my individual power to fight this.

01:47:54.480 So how could I possibly be held to account for the same people that have voted for all

01:47:58.580 of this?

01:47:59.080 Yeah.

01:47:59.360 And the point is that we're the point is that we're trying to.

01:48:01.980 You are, though, because I live here.

01:48:03.440 We're trying to move the needle.

01:48:04.860 You know what I mean?

01:48:05.580 And that's like the that's a huge component to all of this.

01:48:09.180 And I also do, which I know I'm sure you guys have heard me say before, but I just I

01:48:13.440 think that, like, you know, governments rely on propaganda.

01:48:16.860 They rely on force as well.

01:48:18.960 But they they also heavily rely on propaganda.

01:48:21.680 Like they have to cast a spell on their people. 0.59

01:48:24.620 And we're at this unique time in history when we have a fighting shot to fight back against

01:48:31.060 that propaganda and to try to wake more people up, just as all four of us have been woken up 0.96

01:48:36.420 to a lot of shit that we were asleep to at a certain point. 0.97

01:48:39.540 And, you know, there's it's pretty wild. 0.97

01:48:43.780 You know, like you guys were kind of saying before, like some of the stuff like me and

01:48:47.700 Clint have been able to do.

01:48:48.780 It's kind of like, yeah, this is this is a little bit nutty, like it's crazy that you

01:48:52.380 can actually get on such big platforms and do.

01:48:55.280 And look, it's not like.

01:48:57.600 Look, it's just the sum total of everything I've done has, you know, on the national scale,

01:49:04.940 move the needle the tiniest little bit, but it's not like I haven't gotten a little crack

01:49:10.840 at it.

01:49:11.420 You know what I mean?

01:49:12.060 And so it's like, oh, OK, if I could do that already, let's keep doing that.

01:49:15.580 Let's try to get as many people as possible to do that.

01:49:18.140 Bring it back to then is what you just said, this idea that there's this propaganda machine

01:49:22.540 that's aimed at us and we're being propagandized.

01:49:25.440 It's inherently Luciferian.

01:49:29.100 It's very obvious in 2024 that the propaganda machine is shoving Satanism in its multi ways

01:49:36.040 down our throat. 0.74

01:49:36.960 I don't think you can.

01:49:37.820 I just want to say I don't think you can fight back against a machine that is inherently

01:49:42.280 satanic without God.

01:49:44.300 I don't think you could do it as as just men.

01:49:46.600 You need to arm yourself in a different way.

01:49:48.660 This is what we're this is what we're coming to the realization of as we like study and

01:49:52.240 interview more people and do more of this.

01:49:53.940 But I'm I'm incredibly proud of like what I've seen Clint do from being, you know, a fat

01:50:00.660 woman avatar to where he's at now opening up to Trump. 0.67

01:50:03.740 No, a fat male avatar. 0.99

01:50:05.240 Fat. 0.93

01:50:05.520 That was a male. 0.95

01:50:06.280 Jesus Christ.

01:50:06.720 But and I mean, along from working side by side with you, Dave, who you've been instrumental

01:50:12.140 in almost everything that I've done in my just ability to get out of New York and and

01:50:17.780 basically what I'm doing with my family now.

01:50:21.540 And I'm I don't know what the point of this conversation was, whether it was it was not

01:50:25.980 really to change your mind.

01:50:27.140 It's to like you guys are moving the needle and I think you're moving it way more than

01:50:31.080 just a little tinge.

01:50:32.200 It's been amazing to watch.

01:50:33.220 I just you know, I'm thank you for your time, for coming here, because I wanted to

01:50:37.520 see if I can maybe add a little wrinkle to your game.

01:50:40.100 If like if you're not thinking about this, maybe I can convince you that like, hey, like

01:50:44.140 there's also this over here.

01:50:45.780 You know what I mean?

01:50:46.280 And like just put that in the back of your mind going forward with all the all the things

01:50:50.240 that you're doing and that you're going to do.

01:50:52.520 And yeah, I don't know.

01:50:53.940 I just hope I hope you guys do pull it pull this country together in some form or fashion, 0.93

01:50:59.820 because really, what the fuck else are we?

01:51:03.200 And just know, Clint, that every single time some person with an insane level of influence 0.83

01:51:08.260 mentions the Nephilim, I think about you immediately.

01:51:11.040 I think about you.

01:51:12.320 I'm like, what is Clint thinking?

01:51:13.800 What does his face look like?

01:51:14.960 Let me let me just say, too, you know, you guys have had influence on me.

01:51:18.760 And I do think that I I think more about good and evil than I ever have before.

01:51:23.880 I think largely because Clint, Clint was an atheist.

01:51:26.420 And then you got to the point where you're doing mushrooms and saying like and listening

01:51:29.920 to gospel music.

01:51:30.780 Yeah, I've had a great influence on you, Clint.

01:51:32.760 Yes.

01:51:33.020 But but the point is that, like, I think more in terms of good and evil, primarily because

01:51:38.660 I think we are dealing with more evil action.

01:51:42.140 Now, whether or not it's evil on a spiritual demonic level, I can't say definitively, but it

01:51:47.540 is certainly true that there are there are billions of people on Earth that are willingly

01:51:52.760 or unwillingly participating in evil.

01:51:55.260 So I have to I have to have that in my equation of analysis.

01:51:59.600 I have to.

01:52:00.700 But at the same time, the reason that I push back against these descriptions is because

01:52:05.300 I genuinely love people.

01:52:07.220 And I think that so many of these people that are participating in evil are still reachable.

01:52:11.420 And if I didn't believe that, then it kind of be fruitless to be doing what I'm doing.

01:52:14.980 And in fact, I know it to be true that there are millions of people that are capable of

01:52:20.400 being influenced and persuaded out of evil action.

01:52:23.380 So, like, I think that's the reason I'm so content in the path that I'm on is that I

01:52:28.640 feel as if I am walking with God or with the truth or whatever, whatever you want to describe

01:52:34.000 it as.

01:52:34.620 And I and I see that in Dave.

01:52:35.960 And I think that's that's part of the reason that he's so content and not just the success

01:52:39.540 and not just the reach that he's that he's getting in the heights that he's now, you

01:52:43.460 know, approaching.

01:52:44.040 It's like I think this is all indicative of, you know, being on the side of righteousness.

01:52:51.620 Now, maybe that's, you know, narcissistic or egotistical to feel that way.

01:52:55.480 But I feel that way.

01:52:56.240 So I'm just going to say it.

01:52:57.180 That's the truth.

01:52:58.000 That's how I feel.

01:53:00.700 Well, yeah.

01:53:01.680 Well, thanks.

01:53:02.280 Thanks, you guys, for for having us.

01:53:04.100 And I enjoyed this very much.

01:53:05.580 And I do think that, you know, there's something I've I've been saying this for a long time

01:53:10.020 and just, again, kind of in my the the older I get, the more I do look at that point like

01:53:15.500 that.

01:53:15.740 It's kind of semantics, the dark forces, dark evil spirits thing that it's all kind of

01:53:20.500 like we look even from the strictest atheistic point of view, like what we've really seen.

01:53:28.140 We've run an experiment in kind of like removing God from society and that it leads to a lot

01:53:37.200 of evil.

01:53:38.220 And so I do think that's like a huge component to it.

01:53:42.180 I also hope in the same sense that that top said that he hopes he kind of gave us a nudge

01:53:47.100 and that's something to think about.

01:53:48.600 I also hope that like I gave you a similar type of nudge of that, like there are a few

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01:54:13.180 And like just like the points I was making about like, you know, the people who show up

01:54:17.320 for the LP convention aren't a statement on what laissez-faire free markets would look like

01:54:22.280 in the world and stuff like that.

01:54:24.900 So I, you know, I enjoy these conversations.

01:54:27.480 And thanks for having me.

01:54:28.800 Absolutely.

01:54:29.800 Dave.

01:54:30.800 Thank you for taking the time.

01:54:31.800 Clint.

01:54:32.800 I won't be there tomorrow, but we have Tower Gang 9-11 show up.

01:54:36.800 Dave Smith will be there.

01:54:37.800 And the rest of this week, let's not go crazy.

01:54:42.800 The rest of this week will be all for Nephilim death squad. 0.98

01:54:46.160 So we'll catch you next week and peace out, guys.

01:54:48.420 Thank you.

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Nephilim Death Squad - June 13, 2024

041： God & Liberty w⧸ Dave Smith and Clint Russell

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