041： God & Liberty w⧸ Dave Smith and Clint Russell
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1 hour and 56 minutes
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Summary
On this week's episode of the Nedelyim Death Squad, Top Lobster joins the Death Squad to discuss his new book, "Nephilim: How to Survive the 21st Century" and his new podcast, "Top Lobster's Death Squad."
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The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely huge.
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Only some are aware that the government releases...
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Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.
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That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
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Before we get into today's guest, Top has a quick announcement to make.
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And it's like, it couldn't have came on, like, a better day than we have, like, such a big guest.
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So, October 25th and the 26th, it's going to be...
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I was like, I know how much you love to talk about dating.
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We'll have an exclamation point at the second night with a live stand-up comedy.
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And I'm sure it's going to go all over the place.
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Today, we are joined by Dave Smith and Clint Russell.
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Two men that really don't need any introduction.
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Can you let the people know where it is they can find your work?
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And part of the problem is my podcast and Legion of Skanks.
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If you want to support my work, you can subscribe there.
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Liberty Lockdown on YouTube, Rumble, everywhere else.
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I'm sure he's beating his kids or something like that.
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Well, I think that's in the Bible, if I'm not mistaken.
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But this is coming right off the back of two really fascinating things.
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Dave, I don't know if you know how this show goes.
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But we're kind of like unhinged, schizophrenic people who happen to have enough charisma to kind of carry a show.
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One of the things that's very interesting that's happened lately, besides your interaction with Cuomo, which I thought was fantastic on the Patrick Bet David podcast, but also Clint Russell having talked to...
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She was a Pfizer whistleblower of 10 years she worked there?
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And what she had to say fucking was pretty shocking.
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And this is coming from someone who has followed, obviously, the COVID hysteria for years.
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But her description of the vaccines and how people on the production supply line were crying as they realized what they had put in their bodies was...
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Most people haven't even seen it, unfortunately, but, yeah, it was crazy.
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It was actually pretty harrowing, the idea that...
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And I know she said that there wasn't a tremendous amount of people in the room, but that half of them were crying after seeing something, a reaction that caused the inoculation to glow.
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And the people that were crying were actually people that had had these things in them.
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But one of the more fascinating things that happened during that episode, especially for me to watch it happen to Clint, because from where we've been sitting...
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Initially, when she said it, your face didn't change.
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So, Dave, what ends up happening is during this interview, Clint says, well, it doesn't seem to me that the vaccine was meant to protect us from the virus.
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But it also doesn't seem that this is about money, because they can print the money, right?
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And he asked her, in her opinion, what the purpose of it was.
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And first she started by saying, what's your religious background?
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And then she followed it up by saying, this is about the Nephilim, which you've already seen the name of the show, Nephilim Death Squad.
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We've been kind of harping at Clint for the longest time now about the return of the biblical entities known as the Nephilim and the implications that that's going to have on our reality.
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And so Nephilim has, and I want to start the show off this way, really been injected into the culture.
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I kind of want to say that that's because of me and Top.
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I mean, not for nothing, but at least the conversation on Twitter got rolling in a certain direction.
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It didn't have anything to do with Tucker Carlson saying it on Joe Rogan.
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But is there a link there between you guys saying it and Tucker saying it on Rogan's podcast?
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Top, you sound like you're not coming out of your microphone.
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No, I think you just got to turn your gain up a little bit.
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I mean, if we were Nephilim, this is what we'd be saying.
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My roadcaster just, like, shit out, turned off.
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Yeah, Dave and I are both 6'1", basically Nephilim.
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I'm 5'7", and every time I see Clint, he cradles me in his arms.
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Our entire narrative is falling apart in real time.
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I want to pull this up, because I think this is fascinating.
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Well, actually, to Top's point, you want to finish that point?
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Because you were talking about these aliens in Vegas.
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So, they were aliens in Vegas, and they were, like, 10-foot aliens or 8-foot aliens or something,
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There was body cam footage, and they just kept harping on, like, 10-foot aliens.
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Then, a couple months later, we just start saying Nephilim shit, but, like, I've been trying
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Then, the Miami incident happens, right by Clint, and now they're 10-foot Nephilim.
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Now, instead of aliens, they're calling them Nephilim.
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So, the vernacular has changed, something happened in the culture that was ready to switch,
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and then Tucker Carlson comes, like, a couple months after that, talking about it.
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And he's talking about it again more recently, which we wanted to also bring up with you.
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I think that, so, I'm very skeptical about, like, any of the shit that comes out.
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Because so much of the shit, you know, like, the UFO stuff, they wouldn't use the term,
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but, you know, it comes from the Pentagon, the Defense Department, all this stuff.
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I don't know, I don't know the specific videos you're talking about, but I'm kind of like,
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dude, we all got HD cameras in our pockets at this point.
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I'll start taking things seriously when I see some real fucking conclusive video of this shit.
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They have an organic capability to emit something called ultrasound.
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It causes a vibrational disturbance that you can't, even when you look at them, they look blurry, right?
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So, anytime that, like, a conspiracy is built around the obvious objection to it,
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But what I will say is that, and I've come to believe this more as I've gotten older,
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that Tucker's whole point about how basically everyone outside of post-World War II,
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American and Western European societies, have always accepted as a, like, point of obvious truth
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that there is a spiritual component to life and that we interact with this spiritual component
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and there are forces of good and forces of evil, I think that is 100% true.
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I don't, in terms of any of these, like, physical manifestations of it,
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I, I'm, my starting point is to be a skeptic, and I've yet to hear anything that's, like, overwhelmed that.
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So, when you hear, and I want to play it, actually.
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Wait, the physical manifestations of it are not the important part.
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It's the, like, like Tucker was saying, everybody up until 1945 and up until 1945 till now
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was aware that there was a spiritual realm and that there was some kind of spiritual battle going on,
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Well, it's, like, because it's the other side to the coin, by the way, of just believing in God,
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Like, the, the way people think about it is, like, do you believe in God or do you not believe in God?
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You're either an atheist or you're a religious person.
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But believing in God is, like, a double-sided coin.
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When you believe in God, you almost always also believe in some type of, like, evil spirit.
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Even if your religion doesn't have, like, hell, per se, in it, like, Judaism or something like that,
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if you believe in God, you still believe there's things God wants you to do,
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and therefore, if you don't do them, you're in a bad position.
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It's, like, believing in God also requires this belief in, like, the evil and the darkness.
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And that's the other thing missing, I think, from the atheist worldview that rarely comes up,
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I think this is where you and that guy got caught up.
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We could talk about that debate if you want to.
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I mean, look, I definitely didn't do a great job in it.
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I probably had one of my worst debate performances.
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Part of it is just that I found the thing so bad faith and tedious,
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and I just wasn't in the mood, which rarely, like, happens to me.
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But it's just, like, the whole thing was, like, I don't really care to do this.
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It happened to me a couple months ago, an immigration debate that turned into talking about whether or not the, like,
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Pakistanis should allow Afghanistan refugees, and they wanted to fucking apply libertarian theory to it.
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Well, I don't even want to have this conversation with you.
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And it's like, if I was you, I would have signed off.
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Try to do it twice in, like, preparation to talk about it.
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Well, you know what happens is if he signs off, it's all of a sudden it's a win.
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And what he was doing was, and, you know, it's a funny thing because I just basically, in a sense, I was like,
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And the problem with that, and I've learned this lesson before, is that for audiences,
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you have to hold their hand and give them a narrative.
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In the debate, and that allowed enough of his people to go, oh, you got fucking destroyed or whatever,
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He gave his base enough that they could say that and he could claim it or whatever.
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But the truth is that if you actually look at the arguments, I mean, I felt like I actually kind of exposed this whole thing with a few follow-up questions that he just completely dodged.
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I just wasn't, like, prosecuting the case like a dick and I wasn't going to interrupt him and ask him the same questions over and over.
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It's like immediately he asked the question of, like, how – I said, yes, I own myself.
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And he goes, demonstrate it or prove it or something like that.
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What do you do, stand up and do a fucking backflip?
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Well, it's like a – it's a very clunky, goofy thing to claim.
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Like, if – like, I own my house and no one would dispute that.
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But if you just went, demonstrate it, I'd be like, what?
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Does the deed – do you know that this is a real deed?
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And so – but, you know, and then I asked him at one point if he owned the guitar behind him.
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So he also had no – but I just kind of let that go because I was like, isn't this obvious to anyone watching that that kind of blows up his whole thing?
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I also – I will say, look, as someone who used to be an atheist who now believes in God, it's an interesting perspective for people who are that.
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You kind of have the perspective of an atheist and then you also have the perspective of being a believer.
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That being said, belief can – especially in these type of Christian debates – can really become a cop-out from a debate where now you're like, oh, see, you have the task of demonstrating your ownership.
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And then if I go, well, how do you demonstrate anything?
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I can just say divine intervention and therefore I don't have to have anything else to say.
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And it's like, yeah, that's not really a debate.
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I also – by the way, I thought the thing on taxes I thought he had no real position for.
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But he was doing a thing where – and this is the point where I almost left the conversation.
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Is he asked me – the question he asked me was like something along the lines of – I'd have to go back and rewatch it.
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It was something close to like how can you say something is immoral?
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Like it was like how can you have morality, which is a fairly deep question.
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Like you're – like this isn't like we're having any type of tangible debate exactly.
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We're getting way into like kind of abstract core fundamental first principles.
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And then I went to start asking that and he interrupts with the question again and then interrupts with the question again.
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And that's when I was just like, dude, like if we're going to do this, if you're going to ask a deep question like that, you got to give someone 45 seconds before you fucking interrupt them again.
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Like let me – so that was just to me it was kind of like this is tedious and seems kind of bad faith and that's it.
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I have a question aside from the debate itself.
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But I was just very curious from my vantage point.
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I was surprised that you didn't defend some of the more unpopular libertarian positions.
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It's a good question because we should have started with –
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Yeah, well, incest, gay marriage, drug – like legalizing all drugs.
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He was like – he's like, I want a fucking direct answer for these four things.
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And you basically didn't – maybe it was because he cut you off, but you never got to basically saying yes or no on most of them.
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I want to know where Dave is at now post this whole LP debacle bullshit.
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Because one of my points when I stopped listening to Part of the Problem as much as I – I listened every single – you know, like when it was out.
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Because then I was like, I don't find this compelling.
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After a while of seeing what it is, it represented – it looked like the church to me.
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And I said, yeah, usually you'd have like a really sound argument for that.
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Well, when he started with the – well, essentially to answer your question, no.
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My stances really haven't changed on any of the hardcore libertarian stuff.
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I guess what I was – and I'm sure I could have done a better job in this.
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I was also – look, I was a little bit off my game that night.
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But it was kind of like just coming off all of the shows that I had just done.
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Like I literally just that month done Tucker and Rogan and Open for Trump with Clint.
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And I took Cuomo's scalp, which really was like the big thing for me.
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And just he – I found him off-putting and kind of being a dick at first.
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Is that on you though when a guy sets out to like –
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Yes, it is on me because like there's no excuses.
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So once you're there, it's my job to be on once I'm on any show.
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He started with the incest example because – which what I was told was we were there to debate Christian populism versus libertarianism.
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I'm thinking we're having a debate about the current state of America and what is a better remedy for it.
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Which is not at all what the debate ended up being.
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I think that starting with the question of incest is obviously like – it is a reducto absurdum.
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It's not like people were saying he didn't even realize it was – it's like, yeah, no, I get that.
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It's just that you're also starting with something that is designed, you know, to have a very deep-rooted genetic disgust impulse.
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Like it's just something that – it almost removes like rational thought from your head when you even start thinking about it.
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And the point I was kind of making was that it's like, no, look.
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I – in my heart of hearts, what I still believe is I'm a Rothbardian ANCAP and I will make an argument for why people have natural rights and all of this shit.
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It's just like where I'm at today in my life, we live under the biggest government in the history of the world and we're on the verge of World War III.
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And they're doing all types of experiments with our society that seem to be trial balloons for like some real deal Maoist nightmare coming up in the future.
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If government was reduced down to like laws against incest, I'm just like, yeah, guys, I'm not in this fight anymore.
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I wouldn't be a libertarian and go like, I got to fight to make sure this incest law is repealed.
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So if that's the thing you want to go to in your debate, fine, whatever.
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Let's move on to what actually – like we're here to talk about.
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Now, in terms of the libertarian party, obviously, that's a different situation.
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And I think I'm still at where I said I was on my show after the convention, which is kind of that – I'm kind of taking a step back and reassessing and just thinking what are my best – like what's my time best spent?
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Look, the Mises Caucus was always – and this is the truth – it was always a passion project for me, a cause I believed in.
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It wasn't something that was like this is where I can get the most bang for my buck or anything like that.
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There was nothing really in it for me other than trying to lead this fucking thing.
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And then when I decided not to run, I kind of had let down a lot of people who were there because I had like kind of led them into it.
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And so then I still feel some type of obligation to those people, but I also have an obligation to tell the truth to my audience.
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Do you think you would have even won this nomination?
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It's filled with faggots and retards and losers.
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And this is why I am not a libertarian anymore.
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It's not because of the people in the Mises Caucus who have – they did a bad job of – I don't know how you don't just completely clean house and get the people away from –
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It's much easier to sit on the sidelines and say, how do you not just get rid of all these people?
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But it's not that easy the way the organization is designed.
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Let me put this in perspective because the only reason I lost is because Rack lost.
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So if you think Dave during the first round wouldn't have got over 50%.
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No, no, no, but it's not even that I would have been so much more – like in that room, it's possible I could have lost.
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Yeah, because it's filled with the retarded people.
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In that room, it comes down to 45% of them were for sure going to vote for me.
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How much of the people in the middle would have been persuaded?
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I think there would have been enough people in the middle who would have been like just for the party.
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For the party, this is obviously the best thing to do.
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The point – if I was running, the room would have been 90% my people.
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Like they would have been a whole different thing.
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The momentum never would have like crashed the way it did.
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That's why it is ultimately on me that all of this happened.
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But the point is that we were 70% of the room in Reno.
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So it would have gone from 70% to higher than that.
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I mean I really think – I just got enough people I know that like if I were running, they'd be going to their state convention and become a delegate and all that shit.
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Whereas like they wouldn't necessarily have done that for Recklenwald.
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Okay, where do you – does the Libertarian Party or Libertarian ideas, do they lead to what we see at every convention?
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Because I brought David to the Georgia convention and this has been a hard one for me.
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Like I like these ideas and I've read all the shit and I listen to all the podcasts.
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And then I look and this latest example is like this is what it leads to?
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This is the same question that Vin Armani asked you three years ago, I think maybe on my show.
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And I feel like this guy now because of what's been going on.
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I think it's probably much more of a comment on what bureaucracy leads to or what a political party leads to than what like actually implemented Libertarianism leads to.
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Dude, there's a – if you want to get down on the LP, there's a bunch of articles that Murray Rothbard wrote in like 89 and 90 about the Libertarian Party like as he was leaving it.
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And I will say it's shocking how much of that still applies.
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Now, my – look, my gamble here for a while with the LP when I was planning on running and I still – look, there's a thing where like – look, for all those guys who were like critics of the LP strategy and all of that, look, I – again, it's kind of like you can take your victory lap if you want to.
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The thing has ended up with Chase being the nominee.
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And the gamble that I was making was like, yeah, I've read all that Rothbard shit.
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But I'm in this unique position where I have a bigger audience than the entire party apparatus put together and I can kind of lead this charge.
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And if I'm the guy running, then I will be able to control what the messaging is that represents Libertarianism.
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And so I think we could have overcome a lot of these problems.
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The flaw in this strategy was that I ended up not being able to do it.
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But anyway, one of the things Rothbard talks about was how the liberty movement in general and he broke it up into two broad categories that he called rednecks and yuppies.
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No, but there's something where, look, if you're talking about like implementing just.
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In theory, like you could snap your fingers and you implemented like laissez-faire free markets in the country or something like that.
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No, you're not just doing that for weirdos who are at the LP.
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You're doing that for all of blue-collar America.
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And like that's – so no, I don't think that in any sense the convention or the gayness of the convention that you're kind of getting at is like that's what libertarian policies lead to.
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But it's very disheartening as somebody who – top, he shows me what libertarianism is.
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He goes, these are the people who are involved with it.
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Well, and I look at the people that are involved with it and I'm like, oh, these are people that, you know, you could admire.
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And it's very much like meeting someone and being like, oh, no, they're retarded.
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Like I was brought to this entire convention and I looked around at these people and then I looked at the way that it ended and I went, that's strange.
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There's the side of this goofy side that you see and that's really fun to dunk on and talk shit about.
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But then there's the side of like if this actually does work.
00:29:36.540
I understand that the people aren't a reflection of the – the principles themselves are not – they're separated from the people who show up, the goofy assholes who show up or the people who are – can I speak to this?
00:29:49.860
There's just – there's a separation between like say an idea – like the belief in a set of policies and then the people who are attracted to that belief in a set of policies are not exactly the same thing.
00:30:04.320
Look, dude, I bet like abolitionists during slavery had like some real goofball characters in there because when you're taking a position like in 1845 when like 1% of the country supported abolishing slavery, who the fuck is going to be the crazy enough person to go along with that 1% of people?
00:30:20.860
You're going to get like some wild types of characters.
00:30:23.800
Look at even like Norman Finkelstein or someone like that who's like so great on the history of the Israel war.
00:30:33.440
Like who do you have to be to be the Jew who stands up and goes like in the 70s, stood up and was like, no, you know what I mean?
00:30:43.680
Like you kind of – so I just think those two things need to be separated, like the person and the views.
00:30:48.780
I think it's important too to realize that when you're pitching freedom, it's going to also attract a lot of people that are like, keep your hands off my furry outfit, you know?
00:31:00.300
But this is my point though is that you're going to attract – you're going to attract people that want to be left alone to live a very honorable moral lifestyle.
00:31:06.740
And then you're going to attract a bunch of fucking degenerate lunatics that just want to be left alone so that they can be as perverse as possible.
00:31:14.160
You guys have huge sizable audiences that you're convincing them of these ideas.
00:31:19.280
We have no idea what their actual ideals and their morals are.
00:31:22.980
So you're preaching like half of this thing that could be very dangerous.
00:31:27.520
I think if they're listening to us, then you already know that their morals are not in the degenerate lane.
00:31:32.940
And that they're like – they're not there because they want to, you know, do drugs and then, you know, traffic children.
00:31:40.580
Like I don't see how you would get that from listening to David Wright.
00:31:47.220
The Libertarian Party, the good ones, where are they at on abortion?
00:31:51.560
Because as far as I'm concerned, this just looks like a mass murder blood ritual to me.
00:31:57.420
This is very important when we're talking about if we're having freedom or not.
00:32:01.040
Well, yeah, I mean I certainly don't disagree with that.
00:32:04.800
That's why I've made my feelings on abortion very clear.
00:32:07.560
And so like – look, if your argument is that somebody who's a pro-choice Libertarian is still like basically really horrible on this very important issue, I don't disagree with that.
00:32:19.740
Like I think – yeah, I think abortion is – particularly like there are exceptional cases of abortion that are like really crazy situations like where the baby is very sick or something like that.
00:32:34.880
But I'm saying like those things aside, the idea of abortion, the way it is practiced for the most part in our country, yeah, it's pretty – it's a pretty sick practice.
00:32:43.540
Well, Dave, Planned Parenthood is fucking shaped like a pyramid and they're killing millions of babies.
00:32:57.060
And I don't think she was a big fan of black people either.
00:32:59.780
And it's like who's the number one customer base – who's the number one customer of Planned Parenthood?
00:33:06.740
And you go, well, what apparatus allows that to survive?
00:33:11.580
Well, the government is the apparatus that allows that to survive.
00:33:14.820
I mean this is like the government education system.
00:33:17.980
I mean that is kind of – I mean you're talking about a government-funded organization, so I'd say that's at least part of it.
00:33:25.780
I think there's also a thing with a lot of libertarians, particularly the more left-leaning libertarians, where there's also a weird thing when we don't live in a libertarian society and all of these things exist.
00:33:39.160
It's very easy for them to say they're libertarians.
00:33:41.380
Like, yeah, I believe that no tax dollars should go to Planned Parenthood, but I still believe in the right to do it.
00:33:45.560
But that's also because they have the luxury of like having a Planned Parenthood that does have tax dollars go to it.
00:33:51.020
And you wonder if that society were to actually be brought about, how many of them would still be ideologically libertarians or like how many of them would then at that – you know, like if welfare was actually gone in all of its forms, would you still be just advocating for it or would you maybe lose your principles and start advocating it returns?
00:34:09.720
Because I think like many of us know, that's one of the problems with the degeneracy in the libertarian movement.
00:34:15.780
It's almost like I feel like libertarianism is the solution to their problem.
00:34:19.860
Like, okay, see how that's going to work out under real free market conditions.
00:34:33.180
Me neither, but that's a libertarian society and I look at them.
00:34:36.120
I appreciate that they're doing it the right way, but I'm like this shit is kind of evil looking on some parts of it.
00:34:42.900
Again, you're conflating the people who are attracted to the message of libertarianism and that's libertarian society.
00:34:51.260
That's no more libertarian or less libertarian than any festival that you go to.
00:34:55.680
And if you go to a festival, you could go to Skankfest or you could go to Porkfest or you could go to an Amish festival or you could go to like some Christian festival or whatever.
00:35:05.140
It's like there's that's and they're all equally libertarian.
00:35:08.460
I mean, in the sense that there's a government and stuff like that and they're still just organizing like voluntarily.
00:35:13.460
So I don't think that that's I think what the libertarian outcome, the point I was getting, which I think kind of contradicts your point, is that I actually think that the the absence of a welfare state and the absence of like overreaching government is going to do more to put out the flame of degeneracy than almost any other policy.
00:35:35.180
Short of, you know, like real deal authoritarian policies, which are kind of popular to flirt with amongst like reactionary groups.
00:35:45.420
But you also really wouldn't want to live under under those.
00:35:48.760
You really don't want to live under a North Korea type system or a Nazi type system.
00:35:53.100
It's really like even as bad as what we have right now is there is worse.
00:35:59.640
So what libertarianism, libertarianism is the ultimate compromise in a way.
00:36:04.840
It's here's a way to put out the degeneracy, but do it without beating people over the head with a with a baton.
00:36:13.220
I'm not going to get goofy on you and say, like, let's let's all be Nazis.
00:36:19.620
It moves the culture in a certain way and it lets people lets people's minds open and pushes boundaries.
00:36:26.040
What I'm saying is libertarianism kind of always does go back to that.
00:36:31.120
But the best kind of libertarianism are the people that we see the best kind.
00:36:34.400
Who are the best libertarians, in your opinion?
00:36:43.780
Lou Rockwell, Hans-Hermann Hoppe, Tom Woods, Jeff Deist.
00:36:55.400
Whenever I do this, I'm going to be missing somebody and I feel like an asshole.
00:36:58.980
My top three, my top three will be Ron Paul, who is, well, he's a Christian, but main thing, God.
00:37:16.080
I don't know how much Jeff Deist talks about any of this stuff, but I don't.
00:37:19.800
I think I think it should be talked about more because the brand of libertarianism that Ron
00:37:25.840
Paul is going to present to you is going to be vastly different than one of, I don't know,
00:37:31.100
And then there's that question of, well, what's missing?
00:37:35.300
And, you know, it's not popular to say, but I'm just going to say it.
00:37:41.200
I don't think that's true, though, because Ron Paul very rarely talked about God.
00:37:47.960
It wasn't him going like we all got to come to God and then end the Fed.
00:37:52.540
You know, his his prescription was abolish the system that is oppressing us.
00:37:56.460
And then from there, it's up to you what you create.
00:37:59.320
But yes, for him personally and for all of the best libertarians I know, they were living
00:38:04.200
in a moral, you know, I don't know if Christ like fashion, but certainly family oriented
00:38:12.460
Because like this, this is kind of what you were talking about with that guy.
00:38:15.720
Did they come from God or did they come from your ideas and what you think as a as a person?
00:38:22.880
But the the pattern that I'm recognizing, the people that I agree with most, which would
00:38:27.560
be a Ron Paul and like a Tom Woods type, they align with me on those important issues.
00:38:32.960
And now I'm saying, why, why are we are we are you guys attracting a certain type of
00:38:42.900
And how could how could this be perfected, done better?
00:38:45.820
There's no reason that that it should be the laughingstock that it is now because the
00:38:49.120
momentum and the role that the Libertarian Party was playing in the last four years,
00:38:55.420
And again, I don't know what the fuck these people are thinking, but like you guys are major
00:38:59.860
players and it's like, well, there's we're missing something here.
00:39:14.140
OK, the one of the things that first started softening me on my atheism was exactly what
00:39:22.960
you're talking about, that just so many of the people who I thought were like the best
00:39:27.700
people were believers and that this isn't what, you know, this isn't how I found God,
00:39:36.240
It started making me, I think, like opening me up toward the possibility a little bit more
00:39:41.020
and not just libertarians, just like people I know in my life were like, oh, the best
00:39:46.760
Oh, that's kind of interesting, you know, and and some and some Jewish.
00:39:51.660
Uh, but there's to your point with the LP, look, this is one of the major things that's
00:39:58.800
And I I feel like my obligation, as always, is to be, you know, blunt and honest with my
00:40:04.340
audience and that I was like, look, when when our people were 70 percent of the room, it
00:40:10.280
didn't really seem to matter as much because we could just jam through whatever we wanted
00:40:16.460
And it was like, OK, the freaks are kind of kept over in the corner a little bit with
00:40:24.740
And it did feel like, oh, these guys like they're.
00:40:30.140
I don't know, just a lot of people there who are the type of people who are never going
00:40:34.180
to persuade others that there's anything serious here because you're so fundamentally
00:40:41.800
And they're viciously upset with the people that are good at messaging their belief system,
00:40:48.420
I mean, let's just be honest, like there is very there was very limited, if any, upside
00:40:54.640
So for Dave, there's literally negative upside, most likely because you're not going to get
00:40:59.420
on any bigger platforms unless you end up on a debate stage or something like that with
00:41:04.000
So it's like the the upside for our best messengers to do that role is is negative.
00:41:15.180
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And look, none of this is the reason why I didn't run.
00:41:52.040
But I think it's a point worth making is that it's like, you know, look, that's the reality
00:41:56.500
of the situation for any of the guys who you'd want to do this.
00:42:00.440
And if you just say like a short list of people like me or Clint, that a lot of our guys wanted
00:42:07.060
And people, I think, would have gotten way behind Clint running for president if he had when
00:42:13.000
I had, you know, and they came to you asking you for that.
00:42:16.660
See, that's why you can't take all the blame either, because I didn't do it.
00:42:23.060
But like Tom Woods or Jeff Dice or like anyone like that, if you're asking them to run for
00:42:29.280
president on the Libertarian Party ticket, you're asking those people to make an enormous
00:42:37.420
It would be an enormous sacrifice for any of them to do that.
00:42:43.360
He's very, very successful, like a very successful entrepreneur.
00:42:47.460
And you would be asking him to just make this enormous sacrifice and a sacrifice for his
00:42:54.100
And then if they were to go do it, you go like, oh, yeah.
00:42:57.920
And like 20 percent of the LP is going to try to ruin your life, like not even like oppose
00:43:09.880
Oh, and then, by the way, on top of that, at least in my experience, I can't even I can't
00:43:16.540
Like when the plan was to go do this, I can't count on the guys in New Hampshire to not just
00:43:24.880
And you go and I can't go, dude, you're making us all look awful.
00:43:31.760
If I have one strategy in Arizona where I think we should back this former anarchist who's
00:43:37.980
And instead of running a libertarian for no reason to spoil it, mutiny on my hands.
00:43:43.340
And so I don't like I don't completely disagree with some of the dynamics you're talking about,
00:43:49.260
And I think there's even more than you're getting at that make this really difficult.
00:43:53.020
And that's a part of why I got to take a step back now.
00:43:56.180
Now that this this cycle is over and it ends with Chase as the nominee, I kind of have to
00:44:01.900
It, you know, I'm the guy I am and I'm going to keep being the guy I am if I'm going to
00:44:09.180
I got to make damn sure that that's the right thing to do.
00:44:12.900
That being said, I don't think any of that is a is a comment on the legal theory of libertarianism,
00:44:22.920
Because you continue to point at this, like because libertarianism is attractive to some
00:44:28.360
people that we find reprehensible, maybe the philosophy itself is what's flawed.
00:44:35.700
I think that the the issue is that not just flawed, Clint, but I think it's close to Satanism.
00:44:45.080
But from my vantage point, libertarianism is a thin philosophy where like it's only it's
00:44:52.560
only really describing how the society ought to be structured when it comes to governance.
00:44:57.920
It's not about the moral framework of the people.
00:45:00.540
The moral framework of the people, I think, is is ultimately like it's requisite that you
00:45:06.040
have a moral people if you're going to have a sound libertarian society.
00:45:12.040
But in terms of libertarian philosophy, for the most part, it is not it is not a a philosophy
00:45:17.560
and totality of like how every single human is to think and behave and like their moral
00:45:22.840
I think this is why like so many of the best libertarians do have a Christian background
00:45:29.660
So I think that's that's the issue that are the pushback I wanted to give you is that like
00:45:33.900
you're describing it as if like libertarianism leads to Satanism or devil worship or fucking
00:45:38.680
It's like I I don't know any libertarians that do that or feel that way.
00:45:44.520
It's a party that was collecting hair off of chairs to put whatever.
00:45:51.940
Listen, listen, I want to I got to stare because we're fucking 42 minutes into a show called
00:45:55.920
Nephilim Death Squad and it's time to get fucking weird because I'm going to have a stroke if
00:45:59.060
we mention anything else that has to do with the libertarian party at this point.
00:46:01.980
What I want to talk about is is something that I genuinely want to ask you guys because
00:46:07.220
I find you both I find you both fascinating in the journey that you're on top.
00:46:14.680
Clint keeps getting this sort of Nephilim question knocking at his door.
00:46:19.080
Dave, you you've come over to believing that there's a God and it was with the birth of
00:46:27.360
Five years ago, five and a half years ago, five and a half years ago when you see things
00:46:31.720
because if there's a God, right, when you when you talk about God, you you're saying
00:46:37.700
that there is a creator to this world and he's of a spiritual nature, right?
00:46:43.880
And so somewhere in a spiritual realm, there is a force that has created this entire universe
00:46:53.160
And that and that he's like one thing, like it's one God.
00:47:08.040
It's kind of hard to like describe or exactly put into words, but it's just like finding
00:47:13.460
This is like the thing that you always had in your mind about God.
00:47:20.420
And it's it's singular and it's completely in charge and wants us to be good people.
00:47:40.580
That's one of the things that really that really kind of opened me up to it was that
00:47:45.800
it was like this very weird feeling that like I know what he wants from me.
00:47:50.040
If you saw I believe that honorable and like to do honorable.
00:47:54.080
Well, I mean, I could give you very specific things, but it's like the if you're ever when
00:48:00.460
you're at your lowest point and you start talking to God, which which anyone, any atheist
00:48:08.000
Like they're whatever they say, there's no atheist in a foxhole or whatever that you
00:48:15.340
And that that in itself is kind of interesting that when the shit hits the fan, we all kind
00:48:20.160
of know God exists, but also immediately you're going to start bargaining with him and you're
00:48:26.340
going to find out, you know, exactly what he wants.
00:48:28.700
You're going to be like, OK, I promise I'll stop doing this.
00:48:37.600
Like you you kind of find out right away that you do actually know what he wants from
00:48:42.940
rock bottom does have a way of giving you clarity to choose him.
00:48:46.280
This is this is the whole idea of what what I'm getting to.
00:48:53.300
And it's constantly giving consent to this or that.
00:48:56.600
And the good what Dave would say is the good is just choosing God because you're kind of
00:49:02.800
And the idea of liberty, right, it goes back to Adam and Eve in the garden.
00:49:08.460
So you have the the accuser or the tempter that's going to tell her, well, if you if you
00:49:21.940
But God is constantly saying, like, no, you got to choose me.
00:49:24.620
And when you're given that liberty, it seems like we always choose the apple every single
00:49:31.380
And isn't that also part of Christian framework or theology that like it's it's the free
00:49:37.760
will is what makes this special that you've chosen God because you had that choice.
00:49:41.580
Well, it's like the love for God means nothing if you can't choose it.
00:49:45.520
Love means nothing if you can't choose it of your own free will.
00:49:49.940
But if you choose it, if you choose fealty to God by choice, then it's love.
00:49:55.380
So it's almost like liberty is the temptation in this in this equation here.
00:50:00.080
No, I think the temptation would be doing something, doing the wrong thing with your liberty would
00:50:08.200
You're given the choice of the ability to do that.
00:50:13.480
I mean, it's not evil in itself, but it's it's opening the door for that.
00:50:18.520
And what I'm saying is that like like I'm not going to call liberty evil bad like we shouldn't
00:50:24.620
What I'm saying is that you need both of these things.
00:50:29.500
And then you have to choose this other thing, God, because if you don't, then you end up in
00:50:36.520
Yeah, but see, the problem with this is that when you're extrapolating things from God down
00:50:41.060
to libertarianism, libertarianism is not dealing in the realm of whether God is ruling over
00:50:49.660
It's we're dealing in the realm of whether other men are ruling over us or they're not.
00:50:53.680
So even in this in this framework, when you say, oh, but it's almost like the question
00:51:01.000
Should you even have the choice between doing good and doing bad?
00:51:03.440
Because isn't liberty just giving you the option to do bad?
00:51:06.460
But we would never get to be forced to do good.
00:51:09.840
We'd get to be forced to do what some person with a lot of power over us has decided is
00:51:16.700
And so you can point to examples of where people have had their liberty and chose the
00:51:21.720
But I can also point to a lot of point examples of where the people who rule over us have
00:51:26.900
had the power to make our choices for us and they've made the wrong choices.
00:51:29.940
And so I still think it becomes a self-defeating argument.
00:51:34.220
It's if people are so bad at making the right choice with their liberty, how are they going
00:51:46.880
That's why that's why I kept saying to you, Top, that I think that these are complementary
00:51:52.920
It's like Christianity, I think, is very important.
00:51:55.720
But I also, as someone who's more agnostic, I think that there's there's lessons in all
00:52:00.060
the religions that are kind of universal that I think are really beautiful and they tie
00:52:04.200
together and they ultimately create people that might function better in a libertarian
00:52:09.360
But I think that the libertarian framework isn't addressing the religious aspects of
00:52:14.440
And that's why I don't think it's fair to blame, you know, liberty itself for the downfall
00:52:21.700
And in fact, I think that quite the opposite, that that it's the decrease of liberty and
00:52:25.840
the accumulation of power at the top of the structure that has ultimately deteriorated
00:52:39.080
But the symbology that's all surrounded by liberty really gives me pause.
00:52:46.020
But when I'm looking around in in current society or even old society, there's symbols
00:52:52.480
everywhere and they're kind of telling you their agenda.
00:53:00.520
Well, look, I don't necessarily want to go there yet because I was trying to get to a
00:53:05.080
point with this line of questioning with with Dave.
00:53:09.080
Dave, we talked earlier, you spoke earlier about how there is this flip side of the coin,
00:53:16.380
That there's there's sort of a light in a darkness and people will sort of align themselves
00:53:25.980
And I would say that there is a law of opposites.
00:53:29.000
Do you think that it is a fair thing to assume that if there is a God, which is already where
00:53:35.100
you stand from, then there would be something that is an opposition to him.
00:53:38.280
And since he is at least as far as you're willing to concede, which I think is fair.
00:53:44.180
Since he is a spiritual entity that has created this entire realm that we inhabit, then the
00:53:50.400
force and opposition to him may also be of a spiritual nature as real as God.
00:53:57.180
Well, I think one of the things that when you find God or if you if you were always a
00:54:06.520
believer or whatever, you do it, you all of a sudden have to look at the whole world in
00:54:12.020
And sometimes that doesn't exactly dawn on you right away.
00:54:14.420
But a lot of times you realize that the gaps between what is scientific and what is spiritual
00:54:23.240
There's a lot of things that we just have words for that we the words don't even really
00:54:32.780
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You know, if someone goes, how does a bug know to do that?
00:55:08.740
How does the ant know to hand this off to the other?
00:55:16.580
Like, it's it's man's kind of feeble attempt to grasp.
00:55:21.060
I remember listening to the idea of ideas like.
00:55:27.420
So because we give it a word and we just and we kind of live.
00:55:35.140
We understand that the way the same way I kind of really feel like I understand how
00:55:45.000
And then when you live in our very reductionist kind of secular post God world, it's easy to
00:55:51.920
say, oh, no, we know the scientific answer for that.
00:55:54.060
But just thinking about the word idea is a like you could trip on mushrooms for three
00:56:02.260
And and so in a sense, I remember hearing this one debate once.
00:56:07.820
I can't remember who it was, but it was like an atheism verse Christianity type debate.
00:56:12.700
And that what the guy who was arguing for Christianity started talking about evil spirits.
00:56:18.340
And then I remember the atheist guy said something about how like evil spirits is just another
00:56:24.020
And then he goes, look, we all know that there are dark forces that people can fall into
00:56:29.580
And I just remember the word and the guy didn't even jump on it.
00:56:32.560
But I just remember the moment he said dark forces.
00:56:35.620
And you're like, he literally just went, oh, this is so stupid.
00:56:48.500
Whether you call it that or that we're talking about the same thing.
00:56:51.520
And like, so is there this opposite of the flip side of I mean, yeah, there's hell,
00:56:56.660
dude, like there's people live in living hells.
00:56:59.400
We've all known people who put themselves into a living hell because they just do all
00:57:04.480
And like, you know, like, and so like anybody who's ever suffered or felt depressed or anything
00:57:09.820
like that, you know, yeah, there's darkness in this world.
00:57:16.080
It's not something we can tangibly measure scientifically.
00:57:29.900
Let me I'll just say this real quickly at the end.
00:57:31.580
I'm growing more and more comfortable with like as a as a young atheist, I would have
00:57:37.440
been more comfortable with like dark forces rather than evil spirits.
00:57:40.900
The older I get, the more I find something about the evil spirits more attractive because
00:57:46.640
you're like, at least they're throwing themselves on the mercy of like, we can't know what it
00:57:50.600
is because it's the spiritual force outside of us, whereas the like dark forces atheist
00:57:55.460
guides like you're just trying to pretend you know what this is, but it's just as much
00:58:00.540
So that if that makes sense, we had interactions.
00:58:03.840
Before you go, I got I got to just say one quick thing.
00:58:06.480
The reason I try not to go towards the good and evil path, particularly when it comes to
00:58:10.960
analysis of human beings, is that I have known too many people that have participated in
00:58:15.600
evil that I don't think are and and I think that if you if you blanket like just label
00:58:21.860
Oh, everybody that supports, you know, X war evil, you know, like because what they're in
00:58:29.340
But like I still recognize that there are forces that are acting upon them that ultimately
00:58:35.680
And should I should I condemn them as a human being forever because of that wrong decision?
00:58:41.340
And I think that oftentimes that's a big, big, big mistake.
00:58:44.400
So ironically, is a very Christian thing to say.
00:58:47.060
I think it's a little bit of a scapegoat, though, because you're alluding to like some
00:58:51.360
of these people, let's say that they're choosing the Israel side, like you'll see all kinds
00:58:55.380
They're like, oh, we got to finish off all those Palestinians.
00:58:58.360
You're saying that maybe they have like monetary pressures or social pressures, or maybe it's
00:59:03.620
just like, I don't know, maybe it's just something kind of evil on there.
00:59:08.960
And I don't I really I don't know how much you're like joking or how much you've actually
00:59:13.320
fallen down the like fucking Jewish like hate train.
00:59:18.260
But I don't know, dude, I grew up in Brooklyn, New York, and I lived in Manhattan my whole
00:59:22.960
I know lots of like really good Jewish people like there.
00:59:27.040
Lots of them probably support Israel just because they've kind of been propagandized to
00:59:32.260
And it's easy to say, oh, no, they're all evil if they're on the wrong side of this
00:59:36.800
But the truth is that, you know, like almost every one of those people who, you know, would
00:59:42.940
would be like, no, that's no excuse or whatever.
00:59:44.900
All the like like the popular like blame the Jews for everything crowd.
00:59:50.800
I mean, all the people who they love, I don't know, maybe it's because I'm a little bit
00:59:55.540
It was only 20 years ago that every single one of them was telling you, if you didn't
00:59:59.980
know that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, that's because you are a homo
01:00:03.580
and you fucking hate America and blah, blah, blah.
01:00:06.440
And they told it's like the amount of evil that I've seen every little nook and cranny
01:00:16.120
And I don't now that's not to say when you have a conflict like the one in Israel, it
01:00:20.560
will also draw in some fucking sociopaths who are really rooting for blood.
01:00:25.040
Let's not say the one in Israel because, all right, I understand where you're getting.
01:00:27.700
That's not that's not at all what I was getting at the JQ or whatever we're talking about here.
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Let's let's just say like trans and kids in the heat of battle.
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Or maybe even like your detractors in the LP, the ones that would ruin your life over an
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When you look at them in the face and you see their eyes and you go, is this like a person
01:01:23.400
Even better, what I was trying to get to is when you see this, because I think after 2020,
01:01:32.820
This overwhelming backdrop, especially to Western society in all sorts of things.
01:01:38.260
If you want to talk about geopolitically, you have Zelensky trying to make Marina Mbromovic,
01:01:44.420
who's an overt Satanist, who is an artist who takes pictures in mock baby corpses.
01:01:53.060
He's trying to make her the ambassador of education to Ukraine.
01:01:56.960
Within politics, there is an overt Luciferian element that pops its head up every once in a
01:02:03.540
Overt in the sense, in comparison to what we would maybe have seen 20, 30 years ago.
01:02:08.260
Certainly within the music industry, within American culture, there is an element of
01:02:15.100
You have this strange thing popping up over and over again.
01:02:17.980
We talk about it ad nauseum on this show when Hillary Clinton's emails leak and she's talking
01:02:23.580
about, you know, where is the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh and the location of the
01:02:28.960
There is this biblical and also Luciferian, which is redundant in a lot of ways, element.
01:02:37.880
There's like, you know, this spans across all ancient texts.
01:02:42.720
But my question is, Dave, when you come to this realization, and I'm sure it's not a light
01:02:49.980
And I'm sure that since it came about in such a profound way with the birth of your child,
01:02:54.960
you seemingly were already kind of on the path there, but that was what solidified it.
01:03:02.440
Because we're talking about the, the profound realization that there is a, a creator to this
01:03:08.780
And then you can see the elements of that creator's opposition echoed throughout American culture,
01:03:24.540
And the fact, the fact that it's so fleshed out in such a kind of a cliche way, like you'll
01:03:31.220
see Sam Smith now, and he's, he's out there all gay with the gay devil outfit on.
01:03:35.280
And, and that's real fun to look at and be like, yeah, this is like a show.
01:03:41.100
But then there's a lot of other things that are just kind of, I don't know, spooky, kind
01:03:49.300
There are spooky things that are, um, yeah, way more dominant in our culture than ever
01:03:55.440
And the trans kid thing is probably right at the top of the list of that.
01:04:01.540
And then there's also just a lot of how crazy, um, there's almost this weird, you know, you
01:04:09.400
kind of get in touch with this when you do standup comedy is there's a weird thing where
01:04:13.840
like, it's an interesting like task to have to draw a laugh out of a room full of people.
01:04:22.320
It's not, it's different than just saying something that they think is funny.
01:04:26.360
Like there's a way you could say something that people might think is funny, but it's
01:04:31.980
And part of comedy is not just coming up with like a funny joke.
01:04:35.400
It's also like figuring out the language of how to present this in the way that will
01:04:41.580
And then it's, it's kind of like a trance, like dynamic where you have to like, kind
01:04:53.460
Look, there's something to, if you watch, there's certain comedians who it's, it's probably
01:04:58.240
If you watch, uh, Nate Bargetsy do standup, or if you watch Shane Gillis do standup, those
01:05:09.260
Like every, the way they talk, the cadence of it in a way that they're not even intending
01:05:13.860
on doing, I think to some degree, it's why they're so naturally good at standup comedy
01:05:17.740
because they're just, they draw you into their world.
01:05:20.240
They like put you in this trance or you're just, and it's be, I think in the comedic world,
01:05:25.680
it's a beautiful thing, but there's the, the ability that the kind of ruling elite have
01:05:32.080
had to put our society in a trance, you know, where it's like, okay, you're all 15 days to
01:05:41.440
And they all repeat, we're all in this together.
01:05:52.260
Now it's, and, and the amount of people that just follow.
01:05:59.580
This is not what society was like when I was a kid.
01:06:05.360
And I do think there are almost all of the policies, whether you're talking about the
01:06:09.640
COVID stuff, the trans and the kids stuff, the wars, all of it, it's all so outrageously
01:06:17.540
It's hard to not wonder about some of these things.
01:06:20.580
When you sacrifice a couple million babies to Moloch, do you think his power grows or does
01:06:24.760
it just like, is this just something fun we do?
01:06:26.740
Like, I, and I'm saying that like fucking really seriously.
01:06:30.520
When you have, when you have a war in Ukraine where you're now down to recruiting retarded
01:06:34.880
people, cause they're just basically getting slaughtered there.
01:06:39.040
Well, in a sense right here, there's a weird, look, it goes back to my whole, um, uh, dark
01:06:48.240
It's like, however you look at it, it's almost, it's almost like it's semantics.
01:06:55.360
So what does, does Moloch get more power or something like that?
01:07:00.580
But in a sense, the population at least has been totally conditioned to now accept that
01:07:07.440
It is that much easier to do evil shit again in the future.
01:07:11.060
And so, isn't that just another way of saying the same thing that if you do this evil shit,
01:07:19.800
It's like, you know how a fucking, a lie leads to another lie leads to another lie.
01:07:25.020
You know, like there's whether or not the, the, you know, what, what's actually going on
01:07:33.580
The, the fact is that yes, like evil begets more evil and things grow exponentially.
01:07:39.320
And I think it also, it also adds to like, this is what happens late stage empire.
01:07:45.980
And you also, you end up with basically like a, a blight upon the nation's soul.
01:07:50.220
And I saying this as an individualist is a weird thing for me to do, but I do think it's
01:07:54.460
I think like there is something to be said for, well, we have caused and created so much
01:08:00.160
It's not just blowback in terms of terrorist attacks.
01:08:03.140
It's also like blowback on our souls, on our spirit.
01:08:05.740
It, it usually, it's usually reflected in our economy, but.
01:08:08.980
It's the John Quincy Adams quote where he goes, if we go around the world looking for
01:08:13.140
monsters to slay, we will become the dickatrice of the world, but we will lose our own soul.
01:08:18.140
It's like this motherfucker said this like hundreds of years ago and you're like, God
01:08:23.980
And, and it, it is just like, isn't that exactly what happened?
01:08:26.780
And it, there is some weird collective sense to it, dude.
01:08:29.560
I mean, it's crazy that the counterculture revolution, the whole real disintegration of traditional
01:08:34.720
norms in this country came during the Vietnam War.
01:08:37.880
It was like, there's, there's a huge connection there.
01:08:42.500
The counterculture today is, is more, is more, uh, America first.
01:08:53.160
I'd argue that the counterculture today is, uh, like people that actually believe in God
01:09:01.580
And you know why too, because historically speaking, countercultures, as soon as they
01:09:06.460
show any promise are almost immediately co-opted by some sort of intelligence agency and then
01:09:19.460
I think it's about the only one that can't be co-opted.
01:09:22.200
I mean, I don't know, dude, look at the evangelical churches in this country, dude.
01:09:28.260
What I would say that is a, what a true strict adherence to biblical Christianity would be.
01:09:35.580
Now you're doing the no true Scotsman thing, dude.
01:09:37.700
It's like, just, just the, look, I'm just saying that the idea that, oh, if you believe
01:09:43.800
in Jesus now, you're going to be immune to this whole thing.
01:09:49.020
And so what I would like to say is, uh, when we're talking about this darkness versus
01:09:53.880
evil spirits thing, I think it's very important to study and define what these evil spirits
01:10:04.900
There is clearly a concerted force within, uh, some massive influential force, uh, in America
01:10:12.520
that believes in this, that is defined in it, that is worshiping Moloch, that, that knows
01:10:21.320
And these motherfuckers are in control of a lot more than I think people are comfortable
01:10:25.900
If they are that willing to define things and understand things, it is beholden upon us
01:10:33.960
Because if not, we're half-baked and we're going at things too soft.
01:10:37.320
This is, we're, we're engaged in spiritual warfare.
01:10:40.920
We look at these things, I say, what do you think about Gilgamesh and the Resurrection
01:10:46.160
What do we think about the fucking temples that are on Epstein's Island and the fact that
01:10:50.080
he's sacrificing kids and all we're talking about is 16-year-olds giving him back rubs,
01:10:54.280
What do you think about the fact that Hollywood is inundating us with like really strange,
01:10:58.740
esoteric, but occultly true, uh, uh, subliminal messaging constantly?
01:11:04.600
These motherfuckers are executing it to the T, but our understanding of these evil spirits
01:11:14.680
That's why I, I'll joke around a lot and it's a, it's a half-hearted joke.
01:11:19.260
And the reason I say that is because I believe that the actual fight that we're meant to be
01:11:25.480
And until we can resolve that, the politics of man simply means nothing, right?
01:11:30.180
And if that truly is, you have this realization, God is real.
01:11:33.680
Well, that should maybe be, probably be, no, it should definitely be the most important
01:11:45.740
Whatever tenacity I was previously applying to the other study that I was interested in
01:11:52.960
And the more you understand it, the more you start to realize, yeah, there is dark spirits
01:11:57.540
or dark forces and I need to understand this shit definitively.
01:12:01.760
I think it's not by accident that the West has been stripped entirely of our understanding
01:12:09.820
Well, according to Tucker Carlson, it's been intentional.
01:12:13.760
And maybe, and maybe it has been, but a question for you guys.
01:12:16.480
Do you think that, that truth is synonymous or a very important aspect when it comes to
01:12:27.880
I think that, that God, uh, it's my contention.
01:12:34.640
There is, there is something about dwelling within the spirit of truth that is constantly
01:12:40.200
drawing you closer, uh, in a relationship with God.
01:12:45.120
There's something about the word truth too, like, or just the idea of truth.
01:12:48.120
And Dave knows with standup comedy, it's only funny because it's true.
01:12:53.940
And other people go, oh, and like you tickle their inside or whatever.
01:12:57.120
And then it may, they make a mouth noise because you've, you've kind of manipulated them with
01:13:02.380
And isn't it interesting that Western culture right now has stripped us of that relationship
01:13:07.440
and remove the idea of, of an objective truth that now there are multiple truths.
01:13:12.580
And this is a culturally significant phenomenon.
01:13:14.860
Well, your truth is, is, is what's true to you and it's valid.
01:13:22.100
And, and I think that even that the removal of your relationship with truth and the fact
01:13:27.020
that truth is, is subjective from one person to another is also by design.
01:13:31.160
If, if Tucker Carlson thinks that we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual
01:13:34.500
realm by design, I would say we've been stripped of our relationship with the truth
01:13:40.180
But the, the reason I asked that is because it seems like the implications of top even wanting
01:13:44.500
this conversation to begin with is that we aren't ultimately pointing our audience to
01:13:50.600
And therefore the, like your, even your, your post about this said, I just want to know
01:13:55.980
Well, from my, from my vantage point, I'm going towards the truth, whether, whether the,
01:14:00.960
just because I don't know that Jesus Christ is King and that, that is your truth.
01:14:05.740
And like, that is where, maybe that's where I end up.
01:14:08.400
Um, but as far as I'm concerned, every single day I am dedicated to the truth.
01:14:13.180
So as long as that's the, the, the path that I'm on, I think I'm, I'm leading my audience
01:14:21.100
And many of them, many of my, in my audience are Christian already.
01:14:24.340
Uh, and they agree with you guys more than they do me.
01:14:30.340
So like your concerns about what Dave and I are doing, I think are misguided because I
01:14:35.440
think that Dave and I are both headed towards the truth.
01:14:38.360
I also, I also think that, you know, because of, because we kind of like entered the libertarian
01:14:45.220
party and, and had the whole takeover of the thing.
01:14:47.740
And it was the plan of running for me for president and all that stuff.
01:14:51.080
It's almost like sometimes people misunderstood what I tried to be very clear about the whole
01:14:56.080
time, which is that there's almost like there's this realm of like telling the truth.
01:15:00.580
And then there's this realm of like having some type of political strategy and like,
01:15:07.740
And this is how we're going to use the levers of power.
01:15:09.840
And I was never, I was never playing in that game.
01:15:13.040
The whole thing with the libertarian, the whole thing, even when I was considering and
01:15:16.240
planning on running for president was that, Oh, it'll just be like a big giant speaking
01:15:20.560
We'll throw like a big, huge, giant truth telling speaking tour.
01:15:25.300
Like, like a lot of people hear me when I tell the truth, that was all it ever was.
01:15:28.600
And I, you know, I posted, um, the other day I was, I just went on a long rant about this
01:15:34.600
on my podcast, but I posted the other day, this thing, a tweet that kind of like went
01:15:37.940
viral, uh, where I said, Thomas Massey is more America first than Donald Trump will
01:15:43.480
Those type of short, like provocative tweets always get a lot of fucking, you know, attention,
01:15:47.760
but I just said it because I saw, I saw him telling the truth about Israel on Tucker's
01:15:52.900
And then I saw Trump lying on about Israel on some interview.
01:15:56.640
And I was like, fucking Thomas Massey's more American.
01:15:59.360
And I, there were so many people like Trump supporters who were like responded, like,
01:16:06.140
Massey's not running for president, but Trump is.
01:16:08.520
So why would you say this when this could hurt Donald Trump?
01:16:12.180
And I'm almost like still baffled by the question.
01:16:20.560
That's a lot of what I thought was really strange.
01:16:22.260
It was like, after he got charged, I saw a lot of people suddenly hop on this Trump 2024
01:16:26.900
And all I could remember was the countless instances of, you know, him kissing the wall.
01:16:32.240
Just this, there's, there's a love relationship, uh, with him.
01:16:38.900
I don't know if you, uh, have it off the top of your head.
01:16:43.840
And they're likening him to a Messiah on a regular basis, like a part of the Golan Heights
01:16:50.260
I get, yeah, it's, uh, it's, but look, man, like people.
01:16:53.620
So, so that is just to the point that Clint was making is that it's like, I don't know.
01:16:57.460
I feel like if you, if you're asking like where this is all going, it's almost like, look,
01:17:02.120
man, like all I've ever said about this shit is that I'm gonna, um, I'm going to tell
01:17:10.000
I'm gonna try to be like, I'm going to try to be a good person, like personally, like
01:17:14.500
I'm going to try to be a good father and a good husband and good friend.
01:17:17.900
And then I'm going to tell the truth to my audience.
01:17:20.920
And that's in a sense, like that's an article of faith on my point.
01:17:24.900
I just think that's what I'm supposed to be doing.
01:17:30.560
Like that, I, the reason I'm so passionate about what I'm doing is that I've never lived
01:17:36.840
more closely to the truth than I have over the past three, four years, since I started
01:17:44.180
It tells me every day that what I'm doing is the right thing to be doing.
01:17:48.180
Um, and I think for, for that reason, I've become more successful in doing what I'm doing
01:17:57.100
I mean, I obviously I always have doubts in whether or not I have the truth.
01:18:00.900
I'm always reassessing that, but I have very little doubt as to whether or not what I'm
01:18:05.900
I'm very confident that what I'm doing is good.
01:18:07.880
I want to ask you guys both something and I'll try to put this as simply as possible.
01:18:17.420
Uh, you guys both have this, uh, tenacity about you that is admirable, right?
01:18:23.000
It's, it's something to really behold to see what you guys have accomplished over your
01:18:27.480
Um, Clint, I've been watching you lately and it's, it's fucking cool to know you.
01:18:33.600
And what I am wondering is when you see these things that are compelling, right?
01:18:38.220
We talk about this Luciferian backdrop in American culture and we talk about the weird characters
01:18:44.960
within the political realm that seem to be adhering to it.
01:18:48.260
And we talk about the compelling case for God, especially after 2020, I think culture really
01:18:53.680
turned a corner and, um, and we realized there's something more going on.
01:18:58.560
I don't know if it was the free time that we had because of the lockdowns doesn't matter.
01:19:02.620
Um, but there are all of the signs I think have been dialed all the way up to 10.
01:19:09.380
What is it that, and, and maybe you are moving towards it.
01:19:13.040
Maybe you're moving towards it at your own pace.
01:19:17.000
So if it comes off that way, it's my inability to articulate it.
01:19:20.380
What is it that keeps you from seeing this thing, this, this image of God, this potentiality
01:19:26.900
for him existing, this, uh, apparatus that is in opposition to him, right?
01:19:32.300
And, and it's, it's prevalence within, within our society.
01:19:35.200
What is it that keeps you from moving towards that with the same tenacity that you've moved
01:19:44.300
In other words, the reason I never got into politics is because when I was a much younger
01:19:53.740
It was just, I didn't, I was too dumb for politics.
01:19:56.980
I just looked at that and, and it, it came way later.
01:20:00.660
It was this, this symbolism, this existence of this evil spirits, whatever the hell it
01:20:07.960
And the more I moved towards it, the more it seemed like there was really something there.
01:20:10.580
What is it that keeps you from moving towards this with the same tenacity that you've attacked
01:20:17.440
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Um, well, I don't, I kind of reject the premise of the question.
01:20:58.540
Like, I don't really think, um, there's something that I'm like, there's any way that I'm not
01:21:05.860
I mean, like, but I also just think of that as a very personal thing.
01:21:09.780
I mean, like if you, like, I don't know, Top's like maybe been a fan of mine for a while and
01:21:18.840
Well, I think, but I'm saying before, like I, uh, before I knew you guys, I mean, like
01:21:22.960
I was living like a really degenerate lifestyle and I live like the most traditional lifestyle
01:21:31.020
And, um, I was, dude, I was listening to skanks when you were still talking about, you know,
01:21:36.480
So I know, I mean, I was, you know, I was, I was, and a lot of that has had to do with
01:21:41.360
finding God, but I also do think that, well, number one, there's where God has given us
01:21:50.500
this material realm, you know, and like our job I think is to live in it.
01:21:55.140
And it's not as if I can like ask God to just stop the wars.
01:22:00.440
And then he's going to do that because he's given us free will.
01:22:04.300
And my only hope is to persuade other human beings to stop doing stuff that they don't
01:22:08.840
have to do where like real human misery doesn't have to be caused.
01:22:12.400
And I'm pretty good at persuading them of that.
01:22:14.660
And every fiber of my being tells me that what I'm doing is my calling in life.
01:22:19.680
So I don't think that I'm moving away from that.
01:22:22.380
I think I'm like, I'm, I've never felt so much in my life.
01:22:26.040
Like I'm doing exactly what I'm supposed to be doing.
01:22:30.680
Because I think that I, maybe I didn't articulate it the right way.
01:22:34.400
When I say that tenacity, I mean like this, this sort of fingernail that scratches at a topic
01:22:45.680
Hey, Dave, what do you, what do you think about?
01:22:47.500
Like, so you, you were interviewed by Candace Owens and, uh, she got in trouble for saying
01:22:56.960
And why is that even a meme in today's culture?
01:23:01.160
Well, I think, I think that Candace, Candace is very smart.
01:23:07.600
And I think she knew what she was doing with that.
01:23:11.220
And she knew it was the perfect way to kind of needle this, this thing where you, you know,
01:23:18.640
look, it's, it's in a sense, I'm not saying these are exactly the same, but I'm just saying
01:23:22.380
when all lives matter was the counter to black lives matter, they knew what they were doing,
01:23:27.700
but then they were also picking a phrase that if you had any problem with, you're like,
01:23:36.880
And there was kind of like, there's something, uh, witty and, and intelligent about like
01:23:42.500
So I thought that Candace was kind of needling, you know what I mean?
01:23:46.140
Like the Zionists at her network, but she was also kind of sending this message that
01:23:50.480
it's like, well, first of all, what are you going to do?
01:23:52.300
Have an objection to kind of a foundational claim of, of Christianity or, um, and also at
01:24:00.020
the same time kind of telling people that it's like, Hey, Christian Americans, this is what
01:24:04.280
our priority should be, not whatever this other agenda is that has nothing to do with
01:24:11.800
So doesn't it make you pause like for a second?
01:24:14.380
Cause the people that lost their shit over Christ as King were Talmudic Jews.
01:24:19.020
And in that book, they think that Jesus Christ is boiling in piss and excrement.
01:24:23.760
And I think what's worth saying on that topic is that for the past, I don't know how long
01:24:32.260
You've been allowed to dunk on Jesus on stage with a microphone in your hand to the tune
01:24:37.380
of, you know, thousands and thousands of people applauding it.
01:24:41.140
And then all of a sudden there is this moment that we're experiencing right now where Christians
01:24:45.960
are sort of taking, let's just call the Christ is King thing, something that resembles
01:24:50.340
a hard stance, you know, something that resembles a backbone for the first time in a long time.
01:25:00.340
I don't think that that means that, that being white is, is now what we should all aspire to
01:25:07.840
So I'm just making the point that just, uh, I just want to be clear.
01:25:13.160
I think you guys should aspire to be white and I believe, I believe one day God will
01:25:21.320
But to go back to top's earlier question, Jews aren't white, Dave.
01:25:31.100
I think that the point that you're driving at, and I actually agree with it is that the
01:25:34.580
reason that there was such a, not, not, I won't go the tactical angle of, of Dave describing
01:25:39.560
why Candace did what she did, but rather, why did that have a moment in the zeitgeist?
01:25:49.180
I mean, because Christianity has been suppressed because the people that are, are now finding
01:25:53.420
religion for the first time, uh, are, are recognizing that that's the current paradigm
01:25:58.440
in which they exist and they are rebelling against it.
01:26:01.100
So for her to say so in a declaratory fashion against her boss's will was a galvanizing moment
01:26:06.760
And I think that's, that's the answer as to why it had such a big effect.
01:26:11.160
Well, can I, to, to top's point that, um, well, I think you didn't exactly finish, but
01:26:16.100
you were saying like, well, look, a lot of the people getting upset about this are Orthodox
01:26:19.300
Jews who believe in, you know, in the Tomlet, it says this or that about Jesus or not just
01:26:23.620
Orthodox Jews, but Zionist Jews, the same ones that are fulfilling end time prophecy and
01:26:30.440
I mean, God, for when they, when they try to build their third temple on the Alaska mosque,
01:26:34.100
I mean, you're going to be talking about that on part of the problem, but this is all biblical
01:26:37.720
So I'm just looking at it and saying like, Hey, what the fuck guys?
01:26:40.620
Like nobody is putting these pieces here together as well.
01:26:45.160
I mean, you know, I don't know the, the problem with putting pieces together.
01:26:49.720
It's the problem with, um, with seeing patterns, uh, as, as people like to say, what is it?
01:26:55.620
The, uh, no, let's not forget that during the beginning of COVID, if you were seeing patterns
01:27:00.060
and you were saying that things, things don't add up, this was very much, you were unvaccinated.
01:27:07.360
No, but my, my argument isn't that like patterns are never indicative of anything.
01:27:13.440
Um, and I think I did see the patterns pretty well with COVID and I have a nice pure blood
01:27:23.440
I texted you, I messaged you, uh, before you did the Cuomo debate and I was like, Hey,
01:27:27.620
like, obviously this is personal to everyone, but I'm like, fucking kill this guy.
01:27:36.620
What I loved is that on your next episode of part of the problem, you use the word cathartic,
01:27:44.100
I said, this is, I don't know how Dave, I don't know how you managed to not let loose
01:27:53.060
I mean, I was already, I wasn't going to lose anyone.
01:27:56.020
I was already just, it was already going right.
01:28:06.240
It's not like they gave me a 30 minute debate or something.
01:28:08.420
Anyway, I want to make this point, but thank you guys.
01:28:11.140
But the problem with like, and this is what a lot of people will say about the Jews, right?
01:28:15.200
It's like, we're just noticing patterns and all of this.
01:28:17.520
The problem with that is that when you already start with what the pattern is supposed to be
01:28:22.760
at the end, you can create all types of patterns.
01:28:26.360
And, but this is, it's the same thing the radical feminists are doing when they say, oh, look
01:28:36.180
It's like, yeah, but you're just looking at this and then you're ignoring like that.
01:28:41.900
And there's all these other men who completely contradict that.
01:28:44.800
And so I just say that, look, there's lots of stuff in Chris, in Christians books and
01:28:53.040
the Jews books and Muslims books that you don't actually really live by.
01:28:58.420
And most Christians don't really, even really, really devout Christians.
01:29:02.060
You can find passages in the new Testament where you're kind of like, yeah, no one was
01:29:07.660
Things in the old Testament, you can find all this stuff.
01:29:10.520
No one's really thinking about the rules of how you're allowed to beat your slave.
01:29:16.780
I thought you could just beat your slave, but to Top's point.
01:29:23.220
No, it's like, it's about how long he falls down and how, before, how long he gets up.
01:29:28.140
Like if he doesn't get up for a full day or something like that, it's like, but, but
01:29:33.820
anyway, so I'm just saying that, look, a lot of these guys, I do think sometimes there's
01:29:38.000
like the, the simpler answer can actually be correct.
01:29:41.580
A lot of these guys, there is an overwhelming connection to Israel and they have been told
01:29:50.780
for a long time that they're literally, you guys were, you know, we were almost exterminated.
01:29:59.740
The only reason that's not happening is because this government exists and there, and your
01:30:04.640
entire identity is tied to like making sure this thing exists and they will snap back.
01:30:11.660
They weren't angry at Candace just for tweeting Christ the King.
01:30:14.680
They were angry at Candace for fucking really exposing how evil the war was.
01:30:21.880
And that's what, and then doing that and making it, there was, there was like a danger in her
01:30:32.680
Look, the whole, like the whole Israel supporting dynamic kind of relies on the fact that, okay,
01:30:41.860
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Jews who all support Israel, but they know they're only a tiny, tiny little percentage
01:31:16.720
of the population, you know, and like, and I don't mean 2%, like Jews, they're way smaller
01:31:21.900
than 2%, they're 2% of Jews, you know what I mean?
01:31:24.580
There's like a tiny, tiny little group of people, and then they have to have all of these Christians
01:31:31.680
They have to have the evangelical church saying, you know what I mean, like, or the evangelical
01:31:36.380
churches saying that, you know, you have to support Israel no matter what.
01:31:40.240
They have to have all your Fox News and Daily Wire watching uncles being like, yeah, being
01:31:46.480
pro-Israel is part of our conservative identity.
01:31:48.520
They have to have that because if they don't, they know they can't support this project.
01:31:52.420
And that in their mind means they're going to be genocided.
01:31:54.880
And so then, when someone comes out and is trying to undermine support for Israel and
01:31:59.360
then using Christian, like, calls to action, in a sense, from their perspective, they go,
01:32:07.220
oh my God, that's way more appealing than what we're selling.
01:32:13.260
Like, so there's, I think that in itself explains why there was such a snapback against her.
01:32:18.740
And don't get me wrong, I'm firmly on Candace's side of this argument, but I'm just saying,
01:32:23.580
like, I think that's how I understand the dynamic more.
01:32:27.840
Okay, can I, I never got to answer your question, David.
01:32:30.880
So, real quick, the reason I haven't pursued Christianity with as much fervor.
01:32:38.640
What I mean to say is the tenacity with which you dissect things, especially in this particular
01:32:45.240
case, politics, or even, you know, the COVID epidemic, that tendency to keep digging and
01:32:55.680
Yeah, no, I think that the answer is that I have a lot of doubt.
01:32:59.840
You know, I have a real hard time with leaps of faith.
01:33:03.820
I have a hard time with reading ancient documents and pretending that this is actually God's
01:33:13.200
And I think also what I've seen in the Christian community has put me off to a large extent.
01:33:19.000
Like, I'll say some things that are really unpopular, even amongst you guys, I think.
01:33:23.800
You know, I see the humanity in the, even the libertarians that I disagree with when it
01:33:29.960
Like, I see that they are concerned about the fact that so many of them are going to
01:33:35.180
So they're like, do whatever we have to do, you know, even if that includes puberty blockers
01:33:41.440
And it's like, okay, well, look, I think that they're wrong.
01:33:44.400
Well, like, if you buy into the propaganda that that is a little girl trapped in a little
01:33:51.480
But if you, but I'm just saying, if you buy into the first fundamental lie, you can see
01:33:55.800
where, like, a good person would come to this, like, horrific outcome.
01:33:59.300
Right, but a good person who's not done the research to learn that there's a...
01:34:02.820
Sure, but that doesn't take away from Clint's point.
01:34:07.300
No, I'm saying very explicitly, I think that they are wrong.
01:34:12.040
I can still see a good-spirited analysis that leads you to that.
01:34:20.000
But, like, my assessment of these people, my assessment of my opposition politically
01:34:25.060
in basically all ways is, like, I see the humanity in the Russians.
01:34:29.700
I see the humanity in Ukrainians and the Palestinians and the Israelis.
01:34:33.000
Like, I don't like it when we get into this tribal worldview of, like, there is only one
01:34:37.460
path and anybody in opposition to me is ultimately evil.
01:34:42.580
So, like, you're also, you know, Daryl Cooper, who really is just, like, one of the fucking
01:34:47.120
best, like, voices in the country on the Israel-Palestine conflict.
01:34:53.020
But I do, he had some post about this that I really loved, where he was saying, like,
01:34:57.460
listen, man, like, the group of people who are demonizing all Palestinians and how they're
01:35:06.720
And the people who are demonizing all Jews and saying, oh, this is all, like, a Jewish
01:35:11.380
plot or whatever it is, it's, like, you guys are exactly the same.
01:35:17.360
You're just to, like, win points with your little in-group.
01:35:22.100
You're willing to, like, demonize an entire group of people, which is, like, you're just
01:35:27.120
playing into the oldest thing in the book, which is, like, I'm not saying you're a fucking
01:35:32.320
Nazi or you're responsible for a genocide, but that impulse that you're, like, having,
01:35:37.200
that is the impulse that, like, gives cover to shit like that happening, is pretending
01:35:41.180
one group of people have, like, no humanity at all and casting, like, this wide brush
01:35:49.060
A lot of those, now, that doesn't mean that a lot of those people aren't caught up in
01:35:54.440
Well, how do you stand in opposition to it if any opposition to it looks like hatred?
01:35:58.580
Like, I can call these people lost retards for wanting to transition children, but that
01:36:04.120
doesn't mean that I want to rally the troops and start marching on cities to go and, you
01:36:14.260
And by that notion, they're incredibly dangerous.
01:36:18.320
And so, really, does it matter if they're evil or not?
01:36:21.500
If the thing that they're executing for lack of information is evil itself?
01:36:29.160
But there's, you know, it's like the red pill, blue pill distinction, I think, is really
01:36:40.520
And if there are no amount of words that'll wake them up...
01:36:44.100
I don't know exactly what the answer is, you know?
01:36:45.760
Yeah, but that's just not true, because there are people that are reachable.
01:36:48.400
Well, there are certainly people who are reachable.
01:36:49.920
Right, but we're running into this situation where it's like the amount of people that you
01:36:53.480
can reach is being far exceeded by the degradation of the country.
01:37:02.480
The facts are, we seemingly cannot reach enough people to repair the damage that's happening
01:37:08.180
Our culture is spiraling downward at a faster pace than we can repair it.
01:37:17.360
And then I'm going to respect your time, Dave, and let you get out of here.
01:37:19.820
But I think it's a good jumping off point here.
01:37:21.860
I listened to Naebu Kaley speak with Tucker Carlson.
01:37:26.460
And this is what he's espousing are obviously not libertarian ideals, but they're quite effective.
01:37:32.300
And I think that that might be where this conversation is headed in.
01:37:44.380
If you show me a picture of the guy, maybe I would know who you're talking about, but
01:37:58.540
And while he's pulling that up, I think somebody in the chat said it.
01:38:01.100
It is clear that the point that we're at right now as a culture, once again, not posing
01:38:11.480
But it is very clear that tolerance is what's gotten us to this point.
01:38:16.820
In other words, this idea of like live and let live as long as you're not being hurt by
01:38:22.660
another person seemingly is is virtuous until you realize that the immediate threat of violence
01:38:30.220
And maybe, in fact, subversive ideologies are much more of a threat to a culture.
01:38:35.400
Well, here's here's the now we're sitting in a place where that that kind of ideology
01:38:40.100
Here's the important thing to note about that, though.
01:38:41.760
When when I hear people on the right talking about, you know, basically getting rid of
01:38:46.380
tolerance and cracking down on all this shit, you guys need to realize you have no power.
01:38:50.780
You have no political power whatsoever to actually implement what you're talking about.
01:38:54.320
So every single ounce of power that you give the state at this point is going to be used
01:39:02.560
So aggressively as I am, I'd say I like I agree with what Clint said, but I actually I
01:39:07.980
do at least to a large percent say I like 90 percent reject your premise about like 10 percent
01:39:17.180
But I think that when people say which is this is a very popular kind of like view on the
01:39:23.340
the the hard right that's critical of libertarians, that tolerance really is what allowed us to
01:39:30.680
But I don't really think that's 100 percent true.
01:39:36.600
I mean, first of all, the the spirit certainly was not tolerance, not in any like classical
01:39:42.840
liberal sense of the word or something like that.
01:39:45.140
It wasn't that the message was ever we must just be tolerant of other people's choices.
01:39:49.940
It was full blown acceptance wrapped in like civil rights, like neo civil rights language.
01:39:57.440
It was victim groups are owed something by the oppressors and the oppressors are anyone
01:40:03.460
It was like a demonization of the normal, the successful, the traditional and this this
01:40:08.940
justification that you owed something to what they are marginalized groups or whatever
01:40:15.980
But that always starts off that always starts off as this plea for tolerance.
01:40:23.380
Well, like we're marching against gay marriage.
01:40:33.360
And I'm like, fuck, I probably would have marched with you before if I would have known
01:40:37.860
I got to be in New York tomorrow during Gay Pride Month with my kids.
01:40:41.540
I'm like, I'm not looking forward to this shit.
01:40:43.140
You know, and we are to Clint's point where he says we don't have any power politically.
01:40:47.620
I'm not talking about politically because I rarely do.
01:40:49.800
I'm talking about in your own life to not tolerate you.
01:40:54.460
But let me just I just want to continue on the point for a second, because I do think
01:40:57.920
it's somewhat of a fallacy to say that, like, this thing happened before this thing.
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Therefore, thing number one caused thing number two.
01:41:40.740
Like the fact that that followed doesn't necessarily mean it was destined to follow or like at least
01:41:54.580
I'm saying that like the problem came in when we had like it wasn't just preaching tolerance
01:42:04.340
And then the real problem came in when the entire power structure got behind it.
01:42:09.460
I mean, like that's really what happened here is that it started in the universities,
01:42:12.880
then the entire corporate media, the entire political class and Hollywood and all of them
01:42:18.800
And it's not self-evident to me that the lesson there is that we never should have allowed
01:42:26.060
people to be free or we never should have had tolerance of other people.
01:42:32.100
We should have never treated slaves because eventually they would demand reparations.
01:42:38.380
But the other thing I was the reason I only said 90 percent is because I do think there
01:42:42.820
is like a 10 percent real truth to the point that I actually I I believe.
01:42:49.140
OK, there was one time Gene Epstein said on the Tom Woods show, this is way back in the
01:42:56.540
I've just come to disagree with him on this point where Tom asked him if there was a secondary
01:43:01.060
value to libertarianism aside from non-aggression, what would the next value be?
01:43:07.400
And he said tolerance and he had a good argument for it.
01:43:10.440
He was like, look, if people are going to be free, we have to tolerate that people live
01:43:13.900
I've kind of come to feel more and more that intolerance is the complementary like view
01:43:20.540
because you just if you're not going to have the government regulating destructive, degenerate
01:43:27.000
behavior, then you have to have other forces to do that.
01:43:30.440
And so I do think that there are certain things that shouldn't be tolerated.
01:43:33.860
And I don't mean by that not allowed or using violence to to shut it down.
01:43:39.000
But I do think that, yes, there is 10 percent of that is true, that it is crazy that we ever
01:43:45.260
tolerated things moving anywhere near the direction.
01:43:48.580
And I don't know exactly what the point should have been.
01:43:51.380
Like, I don't know if gay marriage is the point where we should have, like, had a problem
01:43:55.420
Um, I don't see there seems to be a force that will always it's before trans and kids.
01:44:01.780
But there does seem to be a force that will always push.
01:44:12.100
And what will happen is when that line is drawn, you will have to fight at that line in perpetuity.
01:44:16.920
Yeah, the revolution is pushing, it's always going to use things like the non-aggression
01:44:21.500
principle to, like, just subvert and push further.
01:44:28.640
He's saying that that it drops our defenses because until they're actually actively aggressive
01:44:37.200
And he's saying that at that point, it's too late.
01:44:39.140
I look, the reason I, David, I understand that you were not talking politics.
01:44:42.480
The reason I took it to the politics level is because exactly what David is describing.
01:44:46.200
The entire power structure decided to propagate this narrative and to push it into every aspect
01:44:51.780
of our lives without, like, the reason that you need politics and power to fight this to
01:44:56.580
some extent is because power and politics is the reason that this is transpiring.
01:45:01.180
It's not just because gay people were allowed to get married.
01:45:05.460
All of Hollywood is telling you to do it because the entire public education system is telling
01:45:10.400
And if you're not living this way, you're a bigot.
01:45:12.040
And ultimately, you probably ought to be gay or trans because otherwise you're part of
01:45:16.560
This is a sick ideology that's pervasive across the board on all levels.
01:45:22.220
These kind of things don't work on a populace that's not willing to accept it.
01:45:31.240
If we got this, Owen Benjamin would say, you get the government that you deserve.
01:45:36.140
So the shit that we're complaining about, it's-
01:45:37.960
If we had a culture that we could inject God back into, then it doesn't matter what corporation
01:45:43.780
is knocking at your door trying to serve you up Satanism, it would stop at the door.
01:45:52.540
And I think it might sound nice as a slogan, but I think it's actually pretty vapid.
01:45:58.860
I don't think the North Koreans deserve their government.
01:46:01.820
I don't think Gaza deserves to be ruled by Egypt, I mean by Israel.
01:46:09.400
I do think that it's like, yes, maybe a more accurate thing would be something like, you
01:46:15.200
get the government that you're either powerless to prevent or too complicit to be willing to
01:46:25.200
I mean, it's like, the truth of the matter is actually doesn't fit onto a neat little
01:46:29.800
Honestly, to say, we're not saying that the North Korean people deserve this government.
01:46:37.540
What I'm saying is that we started off with freedom.
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No matter the starting point, it's still collected guilt.
01:47:15.600
But that's the same thing you could say about the North Koreans.
01:47:18.320
I mean, they started off with the ability to create their own country that they wanted.
01:47:22.660
They maintained the northern part of that country after the Korean War.
01:47:27.500
And I don't think that, like, I don't think it's at all true to say that the people got
01:47:38.100
I mean, with America, we could paint a pretty clear picture on how we got here.
01:47:48.460
I've spoken to millions of people about how I'm opposed to all of this.
01:47:50.940
I've done everything in my individual power to fight this.
01:47:54.480
So how could I possibly be held to account for the same people that have voted for all
01:47:59.360
And the point is that we're the point is that we're trying to.
01:48:05.580
And that's like the that's a huge component to all of this.
01:48:09.180
And I also do, which I know I'm sure you guys have heard me say before, but I just I
01:48:13.440
think that, like, you know, governments rely on propaganda.
01:48:21.680
Like they have to cast a spell on their people.
01:48:24.620
And we're at this unique time in history when we have a fighting shot to fight back against
01:48:31.060
that propaganda and to try to wake more people up, just as all four of us have been woken up
01:48:36.420
to a lot of shit that we were asleep to at a certain point.
01:48:43.780
You know, like you guys were kind of saying before, like some of the stuff like me and
01:48:48.780
It's kind of like, yeah, this is this is a little bit nutty, like it's crazy that you
01:48:57.600
Look, it's just the sum total of everything I've done has, you know, on the national scale,
01:49:04.940
move the needle the tiniest little bit, but it's not like I haven't gotten a little crack
01:49:12.060
And so it's like, oh, OK, if I could do that already, let's keep doing that.
01:49:15.580
Let's try to get as many people as possible to do that.
01:49:18.140
Bring it back to then is what you just said, this idea that there's this propaganda machine
01:49:22.540
that's aimed at us and we're being propagandized.
01:49:29.100
It's very obvious in 2024 that the propaganda machine is shoving Satanism in its multi ways
01:49:37.820
I just want to say I don't think you can fight back against a machine that is inherently
01:49:48.660
This is what we're this is what we're coming to the realization of as we like study and
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But I'm I'm incredibly proud of like what I've seen Clint do from being, you know, a fat
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woman avatar to where he's at now opening up to Trump.
01:50:06.720
But and I mean, along from working side by side with you, Dave, who you've been instrumental
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in almost everything that I've done in my just ability to get out of New York and and
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And I'm I don't know what the point of this conversation was, whether it was it was not
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It's to like you guys are moving the needle and I think you're moving it way more than
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I just you know, I'm thank you for your time, for coming here, because I wanted to
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see if I can maybe add a little wrinkle to your game.
01:50:40.100
If like if you're not thinking about this, maybe I can convince you that like, hey, like
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And like just put that in the back of your mind going forward with all the all the things
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I just hope I hope you guys do pull it pull this country together in some form or fashion,
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And just know, Clint, that every single time some person with an insane level of influence
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mentions the Nephilim, I think about you immediately.
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Let me let me just say, too, you know, you guys have had influence on me.
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And I do think that I I think more about good and evil than I ever have before.
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I think largely because Clint, Clint was an atheist.
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And then you got to the point where you're doing mushrooms and saying like and listening
01:51:30.780
Yeah, I've had a great influence on you, Clint.
01:51:33.020
But but the point is that, like, I think more in terms of good and evil, primarily because
01:51:42.140
Now, whether or not it's evil on a spiritual demonic level, I can't say definitively, but it
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is certainly true that there are there are billions of people on Earth that are willingly
01:51:55.260
So I have to I have to have that in my equation of analysis.
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But at the same time, the reason that I push back against these descriptions is because
01:52:07.220
And I think that so many of these people that are participating in evil are still reachable.
01:52:11.420
And if I didn't believe that, then it kind of be fruitless to be doing what I'm doing.
01:52:14.980
And in fact, I know it to be true that there are millions of people that are capable of
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being influenced and persuaded out of evil action.
01:52:23.380
So, like, I think that's the reason I'm so content in the path that I'm on is that I
01:52:28.640
feel as if I am walking with God or with the truth or whatever, whatever you want to describe
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And I think that's that's part of the reason that he's so content and not just the success
01:52:39.540
and not just the reach that he's that he's getting in the heights that he's now, you
01:52:44.040
It's like I think this is all indicative of, you know, being on the side of righteousness.
01:52:51.620
Now, maybe that's, you know, narcissistic or egotistical to feel that way.
01:53:05.580
And I do think that, you know, there's something I've I've been saying this for a long time
01:53:10.020
and just, again, kind of in my the the older I get, the more I do look at that point like
01:53:15.740
It's kind of semantics, the dark forces, dark evil spirits thing that it's all kind of
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like we look even from the strictest atheistic point of view, like what we've really seen.
01:53:28.140
We've run an experiment in kind of like removing God from society and that it leads to a lot
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And so I do think that's like a huge component to it.
01:53:42.180
I also hope in the same sense that that top said that he hopes he kind of gave us a nudge
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I also hope that like I gave you a similar type of nudge of that, like there are a few
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at least from people who are kind of like ex-libertarians, what I just see from a lot
01:54:00.760
of them in their rejection of libertarianism are these kind of like fundamental flaws that
01:54:06.520
they're it's just like making logical mistakes where literally none of this spiritual stuff
01:54:13.180
And like just like the points I was making about like, you know, the people who show up
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for the LP convention aren't a statement on what laissez-faire free markets would look like
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I won't be there tomorrow, but we have Tower Gang 9-11 show up.
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The rest of this week will be all for Nephilim death squad.
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So we'll catch you next week and peace out, guys.
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