Nephilim Death Squad - 047： Near Death Experiences w Jimmy Akin

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00:02:51.500 Welcome back, guys, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:57.660 I am David Lee Corvo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:03:01.160 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:03:04.180 And today we are joined by Jimmy Akin, which is actually a recommendation from one of the fans of the show.

00:03:11.980 I was talking about near-death experiences, I believe, on Twitter.

00:03:16.000 And Jimmy's name came up.

00:03:17.640 And needless to say, as soon as I clicked on his YouTube page, I knew that this was our guy.

00:03:23.180 Jimmy, can you please let the audience know a little bit about what it is that you do and where they can find your work?

00:03:29.400 Yeah, sure.

00:03:30.240 So I cover a wide range of topics.

00:03:33.340 I'm a Christian apologist, and so I do that for my day job.

00:03:37.220 But on the side, I also do a lot of podcasts.

00:03:40.300 And my most famous podcast is called Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World.

00:03:44.020 It's a podcast that looks at mysteries, all different kinds of mysteries, paranormal, supernatural, scientific, historical, true crime, Bigfoot, UFOs, everything.

00:03:57.600 And unlike a lot of shows that are focused on mysteries, we don't just try to generate wonder and imagine what if.

00:04:04.780 We try to solve them.

00:04:05.660 And so we look at every mystery, we give the background, and then we look at it from the twin perspectives of faith and reason and say, what would reason tell us about this?

00:04:14.140 And what would the Christian faith tell us about this?

00:04:16.900 And it's a top 20 podcast among documentary podcasts on Apple Podcasts, and we've got more than 200,000 listeners a week.

00:04:26.220 Incredible, man.

00:04:26.960 Yeah, we started this show not really knowing what it was or what we were doing, and it turned into something similar.

00:04:34.660 Yeah, the name definitely punches you in the mouth right off the bat.

00:04:38.040 The content, not so great.

00:04:39.820 But the idea, we're making it up as we go.

00:04:43.800 We didn't really know what it was going to be, if it was going to be supernatural.

00:04:46.500 And it just kind of delved down into this idea of looking at current day going-ons through a Christian biblical lens.

00:04:56.200 Because as we progress, it's the only way that any of this makes sense.

00:05:00.860 Otherwise, we're just kind of flailing wildly in the dark, right?

00:05:04.160 Where there might be aliens or there might be, you know, something's happening in politics, but we can't explain it.

00:05:09.600 Something's happening culturally, we're not sure.

00:05:11.220 And then you start reading the Bible and getting some great guests that come on and can really decipher and explain a lot of these things to you.

00:05:19.500 And it's like, wow, picking up this prism has made my life a lot easier in many different facets.

00:05:28.340 So you're like, you're right at home on this show.

00:05:31.040 I'm excited to see where this goes.

00:05:33.500 And yeah, man, take it away.

00:05:35.640 I know I've covered a lot of similar topics.

00:05:37.820 I mean, I've talked about the Nephilim. 0.92

00:05:39.700 In fact, I just had the most recent episode of Mysterious World is on the Book of Jubilees, which talks about the Nephilim.

00:05:47.220 I've got a two-parter coming out on the Book of First Enoch, which also talks about the Nephilim.

00:05:53.520 I saw you guys had an exploration of the Book of Revelation.

00:05:57.040 I've done a lot of exploration of the Book of Revelation.

00:06:00.620 And also lately, I've done a lot of research on death-related phenomena.

00:06:06.520 So this is not just near-death experiences, but also things that occur before and after near-death experiences.

00:06:14.240 So that includes what are known as deathbed visions, you know, which a person has before they die.

00:06:20.200 And then the near-death experiences that happen when someone is either clinically dead or near-clinically dead.

00:06:27.440 And then after-death, there are what are known as after-death communications, which are just spontaneous, where people will report their loved ones coming back and giving them a message.

00:06:39.220 And these phenomena are much more common than people realize.

00:06:44.020 For example, with spontaneous after-death communications, or ADCs, between 40 and 50 percent of the population reports having an after-death communication at least once in their life.

00:06:56.580 So these are not talked about a lot because of basically because of the prejudice against them in our society.

00:07:03.120 In fact, near-death experiences weren't talked about really prior to the mid-1970s when Raymond Moody's book Life After Life came out.

00:07:11.080 But all three of these different types of experiences really do point to an afterlife, and they mutually reinforce each other.

00:07:21.100 They have elements in common, and so I think it's good to look, you know, broadly at death-related phenomena and see what we can learn from them.

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00:08:28.660 That's interesting.

00:08:29.780 I wonder, too, about the other side of the fence.

00:08:33.900 So you mentioned after-death communications.

00:08:37.000 And I only kind of, or not that I only, but I look at these things oftentimes through my own experiential lens.

00:08:44.880 And I had a dream once where an uncle who was very close to me passed away.

00:08:51.200 But before he passed away in this dream, and he wasn't, you know, in bad health either.

00:08:59.080 So I kind of pondered that sometimes.

00:09:00.820 I'm like, am I thinking about it?

00:09:01.880 Because he was doing actually pretty well.

00:09:03.860 And he wasn't that old.

00:09:05.500 He was maybe in his late 50s.

00:09:07.160 And it was a medical accident that caused this event.

00:09:12.040 But before he passed away, I had this dream that he and I were in a supermarket together.

00:09:18.680 And he was, I always say he looked like Gandalf the White.

00:09:22.240 If you're familiar with Lord of the Rings, there's Gandalf the Gray, and then there's Gandalf the White when Gandalf is resurrected, which those films.

00:09:28.960 People sometimes call me Gandalf the Red.

00:09:31.340 There you go.

00:09:32.160 So that film actually mirrors Christ on like three different levels where you have the resurrection of Gandalf.

00:09:40.440 You know, the resurrection of Christ.

00:09:42.320 There's the return of the king.

00:09:43.660 And then there's also the suffering of Frodo Baggins.

00:09:47.040 So there's these three different Christ-like elements within the film.

00:09:49.880 But he looked like Gandalf the White.

00:09:51.700 He had this long, flowing robe.

00:09:53.420 His hair was uncharacteristically white.

00:09:55.680 His beard was uncharacteristically white.

00:09:58.060 Not that he had aged, but he just looked like almost grandiose.

00:10:01.500 And then shortly afterwards, he ends up passing away in real life.

00:10:06.760 And I always kind of held on to that connection.

00:10:09.100 So to me, it seems like this phenomenon of death that awaits us all, you know, obviously, it's so integral to the human experience.

00:10:18.980 And it's religious in nature because the existence of human beings is biblical in nature.

00:10:25.060 But it permeates the people surrounding the person who passes away, too, in such a way that, you know, it's like if your life is filled with signs and symbols, which oftentimes when we hear these near-death experiences, I only have a peripheral knowledge.

00:10:40.740 Some of the stories that I've read myself, testimonies and such, they're heavily symbolic, almost like, I don't want to say coded messages, but you get a lot of different things coming back from people who have had near-death experiences.

00:10:56.720 There was a lot of heavy symbolism.

00:10:59.000 Somehow this place felt more real than the place that we inhabit now.

00:11:02.360 Now, did you – have you collected these through testimony, people that you've communicated with, or are these things that you've read and come across yourself?

00:11:11.660 Well, these are ones that I have done a lot of reading on.

00:11:18.620 Now, I – in addition to my work as a Christian apologist, I also study parapsychology, and in fact, I teach parapsychology at the Ryan Education Center.

00:11:27.480 Like this – later this month, I'm starting a course on Christianity and parapsychology and how the two relate to each other.

00:11:36.140 But there's an extensive literature in parapsychology about death-related experiences.

00:11:46.140 It's – survival of bodily death is one of the two main subject areas that parapsychology studies.

00:11:52.080 The other is psychic functioning.

00:11:54.080 So parapsychology is the study of psychic functioning from a scientific perspective and the study of survival of bodily death from a scientific perspective.

00:12:04.100 And so there's been a lot of work done on these.

00:12:08.300 And there – and, of course, the basis of these – of these experiences is, of course, experiences, you know, things that have happened to people, things that people report.

00:12:18.180 And so there are varieties of different collections that have been made of hundreds of near-death experiences and hundreds of deathbed visions and hundreds of after-death communications.

00:12:31.880 They're done in different countries here, like on the subject of after-death communications.

00:12:39.000 I read one collection that was primarily American, but I read another that was Icelandic, you know.

00:12:44.660 So in the study of deathbed visions, I've got one collection or one book that's considered a classic in the field that is a study of reports from over 800 doctors and nurses.

00:12:58.500 But they're divided between the United States and India because they wanted to compare cross-culturally and see how do these things change cross-culturally.

00:13:10.580 Do they report different things in America than they do in India or are they substantially the same?

00:13:15.720 And it turns out they're substantially the same.

00:13:17.480 So I have, you know, talked to people who have had such experiences.

00:13:23.980 In fact, I have family members who have had both deathbed visions and near-death experiences and after-death communications.

00:13:34.200 So I have talked to people who've had them, and I even think I may have had an after-death communication myself, which I'm happy to tell you about if you want.

00:13:43.740 But primarily what I'm drawn on today is case study collections and surveys and looking at the phenomena in aggregate, you know, so not just one person.

00:13:57.020 In fact, there's even reason to be suspicious.

00:13:59.700 If you see, like, a book that someone says, I had a near-death experience and here's my book about it.

00:14:07.100 Well, most people don't have enough of an experience to get a whole book out of.

00:14:13.060 So that's an atypical experience at the minimum.

00:14:17.420 And atypical experiences, often you've got to treat them a little more skeptically.

00:14:22.040 And especially if someone's making money off it with a book, there's reason to be suspicious about that.

00:14:28.520 You might start grasping when you can't fill the whole book, well, what do you do?

00:14:32.380 Maybe you start filling in details that weren't necessarily true.

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00:15:05.280 I had a question.

00:15:08.100 So one of the things that I know makes me skeptical about, it's not whether or not this stuff is happening.

00:15:14.160 I know that there are these post-Deaf experiences and near-Deaf experiences, but how much of these are actually the person that is visiting their loved one after, and how much of this is like a glamour or a magic sort of thing?

00:15:31.580 Because I know you can test the spirits.

00:15:33.180 You can ask them.

00:15:34.320 This is something that I would be concerned about.

00:15:36.740 Okay, so, oh, and before I answer that, let me also just mention, Raven, your experience that you mentioned with your uncle who looked like Gandalf the White, that would be, assuming that was, you know, not just a random dream, because we all have random dreams, but assuming it was something more than that, that would be a premonition, a warning ahead of time of something that was later going to happen, if your interpretation of it is correct.

00:16:03.500 So that would be a precognitive experience that pointed forward to your uncle's death.

00:16:09.840 It was interesting, just to note, in the dream, he was walking away from me.

00:16:13.920 I couldn't get his attention, no matter how much I tried.

00:16:16.560 I couldn't get around him.

00:16:17.820 It seemed that the aisles of the supermarket had narrowed in such a way that I couldn't maneuver around him, and despite my attempts to get his attention, he just kept walking away.

00:16:28.360 So that's kind of the way that I interpret it.

00:16:30.740 And that can be a sign of the inevitability of death.

00:16:33.840 You know, we're not going to be able to stop it.

00:16:36.120 Right.

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00:16:42.640 Okay, top.

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00:16:47.540 I'm fine.

00:16:48.000 So if I understand your question correctly, you're asking about what in parapsychology is known as the veridicality or truthfulness of these experiences.

00:17:01.640 And there are different ways of judging that.

00:17:04.980 Now, in a lot of cases, whether it's a deathbed vision or near-death experience or an after-death communication, we don't really have more than the experience report.

00:17:18.620 You know, and so that's all we've got to go with.

00:17:23.040 And you could say, well, this is a person's imagination or they're making it up or they're mentally ill or it was the product of a dying brain or any number of things.

00:17:31.940 Well, to interject, top, is it really that you are alluding to whether or not this is, not that the near-death experience itself is a deception, but can you be deceived?

00:17:44.300 Are people be, is that where you're going with this, top?

00:17:46.360 Yeah, it's not, it's not a, I'm not asking about a mental illness because that will play a part.

00:17:51.660 But we're kind of on this, have you ever heard of Dr. Jerry Marzinski?

00:17:56.660 I've heard the name.

00:17:57.740 Um, okay, yeah, he's a, he's a psychologist for a number of years and he thinks that, um, schizophrenics are in contact with entities.

00:18:07.480 And it's, I'm not sure if he thinks all of them are, but he says that there's a vast number.

00:18:11.500 We just had him on with one of his former, um, patients.

00:18:15.400 Yeah, it was former patients.

00:18:16.580 And he was basically telling us about what, what he was going through.

00:18:20.600 Um, I saw that preview.

00:18:22.740 Okay.

00:18:23.260 Yeah.

00:18:23.420 And it just, it raises concern for me whenever you have like a dead relative visit you and from, uh, after they've died, it's like, uh, is this, uh, is this a genuine spirit?

00:18:35.940 Are they, are they just walking around?

00:18:37.520 Are they left out there?

00:18:38.340 Or is this something trying to get, get you to consent?

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00:19:10.140 You know what I'm saying?

00:19:14.200 Like, do you have any idea about the, the numbers on, on this kind of thing?

00:19:18.960 Yeah.

00:19:19.260 So in terms of numbers, I, I don't, but in terms of procedure, I do.

00:19:27.420 Um, so to me, the first question is, can we establish that anything paranormal is likely happening here?

00:19:34.460 Or could it just be purely natural?

00:19:37.640 And then if something paranormal is happening, then you can, then, so it's like, is it a spirit or is it not a spirit?

00:19:45.860 If it's a spirit, you can then apply the test of the spirits principles.

00:19:49.860 So I would kind of split the question in two.

00:19:52.520 First, um, is there anything paranormal here?

00:19:55.780 Do we have evidence for an afterlife or do we have evidence for a spirit?

00:19:59.240 And then second, do we have evidence for deception taking place?

00:20:03.840 And so like with your, um, with your guest, Dr. Marzinski, um, I, I, I am not at all opposed to the idea that certain types of schizophrenics are actually experiencing something paranormal and it could be contact with a malicious deceptive spirit.

00:20:23.140 In some cases, there are other cases where, that I, I know about anecdotally where, when, you know, you go into a mental institution and when you actually talk to the, uh, to the patients there, they seem to be picking up on things like the thoughts of the doctors and the nurses and things like that.

00:20:45.920 And, um, and so there, some, some, some mental conditions may involve a kind of psychic openness to, and that, and that openness, if you're picking up on the thoughts of doctors and nurses, you could also be picking up on the thoughts of evil spirits that are trying to mess with you.

00:21:03.620 So I'd say we have to be careful in those areas and we, we want to consider all the possibilities, not just the paranormal ones.

00:21:11.940 In fact, I'm a paranormal investigator and the first rule of doing a paranormal investigation is you make a list of everything that could possibly explain the experiences that are being reported.

00:21:23.040 And then you look at the natural explanations first, because natural phenomena are more common than paranormal phenomena.

00:21:34.240 And so you always want to look at, could this have a natural cause first?

00:21:39.000 But in some cases you get evidence that something beyond just the natural is going on.

00:21:44.620 So for example, um, if someone's reporting a death related experience, whether it's before, during, or after, they tend to fit certain, they tend to have certain characteristics.

00:21:57.360 Like for example, in near death experiences, seeing the, floating above your body and seeing yourself, that's called autoscopy, seeing yourself.

00:22:06.460 Um, that's a common characteristic of near death experiences.

00:22:10.640 So is, uh, perceiving a very bright light that yet doesn't seem to hurt your eyes.

00:22:16.820 So is having a review of your life in terms of, did I do good or bad?

00:22:23.260 Uh, so is seeing either departed loved ones or angels or, you know, some kind of religious figure welcoming you into the afterlife.

00:22:33.300 So those are all common characteristics.

00:22:35.100 Now, if a particular experience has those common characteristics, then there's at least a little bit more confidence that, okay, this is a standard one.

00:22:46.320 This is not, this is not totally weird.

00:22:48.680 It's something that, you know, has at least a modicum of credibility.

00:22:52.500 But then you can build upon that and, um, and get in, in some cases and get additional credibility for it.

00:23:01.240 Like for example, just to stick with near death experiences for the moment, did the person retrieve veridical information while they were in the near death experience?

00:23:13.080 Meaning, did they learn something that they didn't previously know and that they had no natural way of knowing and that's too specific to be guessed by random chance?

00:23:25.880 And then that turned out to be true.

00:23:28.320 To give a classic example, in the 1970s, there was a woman named Maria. 0.76

00:23:33.180 She was a migrant worker from Latin America, but she was here in the United States.

00:23:37.160 And she began to suffer, uh, heart failure and they took her to a hospital and while she was in the hospital, she, they like took her in at night.

00:23:45.500 So she couldn't even get a good look at the end, at the outside of the hospital.

00:23:48.680 You know, they rushed her there in an ambulance and, um, in the hospital, she suffered a cardiac arrest.

00:23:56.660 And while she, while the doctors and nurses were working on her to try to restart her heart, which is something that really only became possible in the 1960s.

00:24:07.780 So this is pretty early in resuscitation technology, but they're working to restart her heart.

00:24:12.920 She has an out of body experience.

00:24:14.780 She looks down, she sees the doctors and nurses working on her.

00:24:17.760 And then, so she had autoscopy and then she starts looking around the rest of the hospital and she sees something very odd that you would not expect to see.

00:24:32.180 And they get her heart restarted and she, she doesn't really speak English.

00:24:36.620 So she's, she's really excited and talking in Spanish and they bring in a hospital worker, um, to, who speaks some Spanish to talk to her because it wasn't as common to speak Spanish back in the 1970s as it is now.

00:24:49.840 And, and she tells the hospital worker about her near death experience.

00:24:54.300 And she says, I saw a men's dark blue tennis shoe with some scuff marks on it and the shoelace wrapped around it on a ledge outside a window on one of the upper floors of the hospital.

00:25:13.940 Can you go find that?

00:25:15.860 So I'll know if I'm crazy or not.

00:25:17.760 And so the hospital worker does, and she starts going around, looking out the windows on the upper floors of the hospital.

00:25:25.020 And lo and behold, there is a men's dark blue tennis shoe with scuff marks and the shoelace wrapped around it.

00:25:31.640 And she's able to open the window and get it back and bring it down and show it to Maria.

00:25:36.500 So this is something very specific.

00:25:38.780 Maria did not know about this shoe before she suffered cardiac arrest.

00:25:42.700 She, um, it's too specific to guess that there would be something like that on a ledge outside of one of the upper floor windows.

00:25:51.440 And it turned out to be true. 0.81

00:25:53.160 So that's a case of veridical information or truthful information that, uh, was retrieved during the near death experience.

00:26:01.120 And that gives us additional evidence that this experience was not just a hallucination or something like that.

00:26:09.240 This was something that was real.

00:26:10.900 And because Maria did not find the shoe, it was the hospital worker, we've got an independent witness.

00:26:17.980 And so independent witnesses of things also, uh, provide additional evidence for the reality of the experience.

00:26:26.540 Now there are still other ways of interpreting it.

00:26:28.920 And you could say, and this was, uh, this was, uh, an idea that was explored even as early as the late 1800s when what was then called psychical research, or it's now called parapsychology.

00:26:42.020 Then it was called psychical research.

00:26:43.660 When that first started, you know, you had a lot of, uh, you had a lot of researchers who were sometimes very prominent scientists.

00:26:51.440 Like for example, the American William James or the British, um, I'm going to blank on his first name, but crooks, he's, you know, won a Nobel prize.

00:27:00.480 You had these, uh, psychical researchers.

00:27:02.940 And one of the things they considered in some of these survival related experiences is could this, instead of really be in survival of consciousness beyond bodily death, could it just be psychic functioning?

00:27:15.780 So you could say, okay, maybe Maria never left her body.

00:27:20.960 Maybe, maybe she just psychically perceived there's a shoe up there and then interpreted that as something she saw as part of an out-of-body experience, even though that didn't really happen.

00:27:35.440 And so there are other ways of looking at these things.

00:27:38.780 Um, you could also say, well, maybe a demon planted that in her head. 0.68

00:27:43.160 Well, okay, so you can say such things, but how do you decide between these options?

00:27:49.540 Now, there's no way to do so a hundred percent, but I rely on a principle that we all rely on in philosophy.

00:27:57.320 It's sometimes called phenomenal conservatism.

00:28:00.020 And the idea of phenomenal conservatism is you take every experience as it appears until you get evidence that it should be taken in some other way.

00:28:12.740 And we all do this every day.

00:28:15.540 Um, if you, let's say, I don't know if you gentlemen happen to be married, but let's say you are, you come home one day after work, there's a woman there who looks like your wife and she's making dinner and she feeds you a dinner.

00:28:28.360 And the logical way to interpret this experience is, is it's my wife serving me an ordinary dinner.

00:28:36.460 It would be paranoid to assume based without any evidence that it's not your wife.

00:28:44.060 It's her evil twin that you have no evidence even exists.

00:28:48.860 And she's, and she's not feeding you. 0.65

00:28:51.060 You just messed up the rest of my wife's evening because this is what I'm going to be doing. 1.00

00:28:55.220 Who are you?

00:28:56.340 Where'd you come from?

00:28:57.680 What were we doing five years ago?

00:28:59.600 Yeah.

00:29:00.480 That incidentally, that's called Capgras syndrome.

00:29:02.900 It's a known where you think your, your loved ones are being replaced by imposters.

00:29:06.580 It's kind of like invasion of the body snatchers.

00:29:08.620 Well, have you ever heard those stories of like the mimics, right? 1.00

00:29:11.260 Where it's like, you hear your, your wife's voice, let's say coming from the other side of the house.

00:29:15.840 And you kind of wonder to yourself like, Oh, when did she get home?

00:29:18.540 And you respond and she doesn't say anything back.

00:29:21.120 And then 10 minutes later, she walks through the door and you're going, wait a second.

00:29:25.140 I just heard you from upstairs.

00:29:26.400 I've, I've read stories like that.

00:29:27.600 That'll make your, your hair stand up on end.

00:29:29.240 But what you're talking about here, go ahead.

00:29:32.480 Well, just to tie it up, you know, if you assume it's your wife's evil twin,

00:29:36.020 when you don't even have any evidence, she's got a twin.

00:29:38.300 And if you assume it's not an ordinary dinner,

00:29:40.780 she's trying to poison you so she can get insurance money. 1.00

00:29:43.960 Well, that's possible, but it's, it's not how the experience presents itself.

00:29:49.180 And it's frankly, paranoid, disordered thinking to propose that without evidence.

00:29:54.240 Now, if you got evidence that that's what's happening, go with the evidence, don't eat the dinner.

00:29:59.140 But if you don't have evidence, then you need to, you need to behave normally.

00:30:03.460 And in the same way, when you have something like Maria's experience with the shoe, okay,

00:30:08.980 she perceived herself leaving her body and see in the shoe.

00:30:12.920 So that would be the logical way to interpret it until you get evidence for, no, it was just

00:30:20.660 a psychic experience and she misinterpreted it.

00:30:23.260 Or you get evidence that, oh, there was a demon involved doing it.

00:30:26.880 But it's paranoid to go with one of those other interpretations without evidence.

00:30:33.340 As long as you don't have evidence for something else happening,

00:30:37.300 you should interpret the experience as it presents itself.

00:30:40.860 So that's how I'd sort through, you know, the apparent interpretation of something

00:30:46.340 versus other possible interpretations that we don't actually have evidence for.

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00:31:20.900 Well, I'm at the point now in 2024 where when I hear you say something like this,

00:31:27.440 my mind immediately goes, as you're explaining this woman's experience,

00:31:31.660 what it sounds like to me is that she had a forced event of astral projection,

00:31:38.480 which is something that I know people do.

00:31:40.800 I know Anton LaVey did that.

00:31:42.280 When we started talking about like the silver cord,

00:31:44.520 and this stuff is mimicked throughout Disney movies and other, you know, media.

00:31:48.700 I mean, even, uh, what's that, that new show with the upside down?

00:31:52.680 It's with the kids or whatever.

00:31:53.880 Stranger things.

00:31:54.940 Yeah.

00:31:55.220 They're depicting some sort of astral projection as well.

00:31:58.100 And this is like now, now it's a meme in, in, in the culture, but you can go back 30 years.

00:32:03.640 I'm reading a book that's 30 years old and there's a woman describing this exact,

00:32:07.920 it's not a phenomenon.

00:32:08.800 Some people do it on purpose.

00:32:10.060 Some people know how to do this.

00:32:12.160 And it's just sounds like that's what she did.

00:32:14.860 She was out of her body, traveling, and then snapped back in and did it unintentionally.

00:32:21.860 During clinical death, when her heart is not functioning.

00:32:24.960 Yeah.

00:32:25.860 Right.

00:32:26.740 Now, in terms, just, uh, just in, in case it's helpful.

00:32:31.320 So the term astral projection is not generally used these days in parapsychological circles.

00:32:38.060 It used to be.

00:32:39.460 Um, but it's largely been abandoned because it has religious connotations.

00:32:44.340 The, it comes from a religion that started in the late 1800s known as theosophy, which

00:32:50.020 was started by Madam Helena Blavatsky.

00:32:52.560 And in, in Blavatsky's view, humans are more than just a body and a soul.

00:33:00.600 They, there are several other components too.

00:33:03.480 One of which is called the astral body.

00:33:06.400 And, um, and it, the, the astral body in, in Blavatsky's thought is not the same thing

00:33:13.420 as your soul.

00:33:14.460 And so the idea was you've got this astral body that you can send out and that's why 0.93

00:33:18.980 it's called astral projection.

00:33:20.840 Also, they borrowed a line from the book of Ecclesiastes, which talks about a death and

00:33:27.780 it uses a metaphor that involves a silver cord.

00:33:31.460 And they would propose that the astral body is connected to your physical body by a silver

00:33:37.200 cord.

00:33:37.700 Well, okay.

00:33:40.280 Subsequent to that, um, there's been research done on this type of experience today to avoid

00:33:46.540 the religious connotations of theosophy.

00:33:49.000 And these have been reported all the way through history.

00:33:51.280 There, there's even an example of what looks like one in the Bible.

00:33:55.560 Um, in fact, more than one example.

00:33:58.240 Um, like when St. Paul in 2 Corinthians says he was caught up to the third heaven and he didn't

00:34:04.680 know, was I in my body or not?

00:34:07.480 Okay.

00:34:07.880 Well, he just raised the possibility that he was not in his body and that would be an out

00:34:13.460 of body experience.

00:34:14.420 And so that's what those are called today in parapsychological circles.

00:34:17.640 They're called out of body experiences where you view your point of view is somewhere outside

00:34:24.040 of your body and you're looking at stuff.

00:34:25.720 And in recent surveys of out of body experiencers, they've asked about things like, do you see

00:34:34.200 a silver cord?

00:34:35.020 And the answer overwhelmingly is no.

00:34:37.420 Right.

00:34:37.900 That seems to be.

00:34:39.120 So I, from what I've heard, uh, most of the time, people are unaware of the state of their

00:34:45.100 body at all.

00:34:45.960 Meaning like sometimes they are out of body and can see their physical body, but there's

00:34:50.140 never really a description of like, and was also aware of my new astral body.

00:34:54.300 And there's, there seems to be an absence of, of any descriptive, uh, you know, about

00:34:59.580 the body.

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00:35:53.840 That, that was the next thing I was going to mention, which is there's also a dispute among

00:35:58.820 out-of-body experiencers about does anything leave your body when you have an out-of-body

00:36:04.760 experience?

00:36:05.460 Um, or is it just a shift of viewpoint, which would be like travel and clairvoyance?

00:36:12.180 And some out-of-body experiencers say, yeah, I think something does leave.

00:36:17.840 For example, there is a guy named Alex Tanis who, um, did research with the American Society

00:36:24.720 for Psychological Research back in the 1980s.

00:36:27.760 And he did astral projection or out-of-body experiences.

00:36:31.520 He could do them, you know, on demand when people requested him to.

00:36:35.960 And so they did a bunch of experiments where they'd like have him lay down in one room and

00:36:41.840 they, uh, would then have a target in another room and say, can you go down the hall to this

00:36:49.860 other room and tell us what the target is?

00:36:52.680 Okay.

00:36:52.700 This is what they're asking in the, in the chat here.

00:36:54.640 Is there a difference between astral projection and remote viewing?

00:36:56.920 So please continue.

00:36:58.200 I'll get to that.

00:36:58.880 Yeah.

00:36:59.260 So what Alex said was, well, I'm, my soul is obviously not leaving my body because if

00:37:05.040 it did, I'd be dead.

00:37:06.700 But he thought that there was something that left his body, which he referred to as Alex

00:37:12.260 two.

00:37:13.340 So Alex one is laying here on the bed and Alex two is going down the hall to view the target.

00:37:19.140 But not all out-of-body experiencers agree with that.

00:37:22.600 There is a British gentleman named Graham Nichols, who is an out-of-body experiencer.

00:37:26.920 He can also do it, you know, on command.

00:37:29.440 I mean, he has to get ready for it, but he can do it on command.

00:37:31.940 And he says, no, nothing leaves my body.

00:37:34.440 This is, this is travel and clairvoyance where I'm shifting my point of view to look at something

00:37:40.200 in the distance.

00:37:41.100 And it's related, but not necessarily the same thing as remote viewing.

00:37:48.120 Most remote viewers do not have out-of-body experiences.

00:37:52.620 They, um, instead, uh, you know, will like sit at a desk with a pad of paper in front of

00:37:59.720 them and just try to pick up impressions about a distant target.

00:38:04.340 And, and so they, they don't have their viewpoint and, and often they don't even get a general

00:38:13.500 look at the target.

00:38:14.560 They just get little details like, oh, it's smooth.

00:38:18.320 And it's, it's metal and it's pointed and it's got tourists.

00:38:23.880 Oh, it's the Eiffel Tower, but it's not like they get an image of the Eiffel Tower and they

00:38:28.320 can zoom around it and stuff.

00:38:30.140 On the other hand, because there is a similarity, uh, between these two kinds of experiences,

00:38:36.220 it could be that they exist on a spectrum and that remote viewing is at kind of one end

00:38:42.840 of the spectrum and then full out-of-body experiences are at the more immersive end of

00:38:48.560 the spectrum.

00:38:49.660 But all of this is still currently debated and there are studies underway to try to figure

00:38:56.860 out how all this works.

00:38:58.740 What are your, uh, so we, we mentioned Helena Blavatsky for a moment there and in my limited

00:39:02.840 peripheral understanding of her, she was a Satanist, uh, maybe to put it in simile. 0.98

00:39:07.980 No, that's not an accurate description.

00:39:09.460 No, she hybridized, um, she hybridized, um, Christian thought with Hindu thought and Buddhist 0.93

00:39:20.200 thought and some other stuff that she made up herself.

00:39:23.740 She claimed that she was in communication with living people who lived in, who lived in,

00:39:30.620 um, like Tibet and places like that, who she called the ascended masters and they were her

00:39:36.520 supposed source of information, but she didn't worship the devil.

00:39:40.200 Now, um, there are actual Satanists who do that, but she didn't happen to be one of them.

00:39:47.120 Um, so when, when you hear that, right, this ascended masters notion, this, um, uh, description

00:39:53.980 of, uh, astral projection, the, the presence of a silver cord, um, you know, your astral

00:40:00.100 body, do you think that there's any room for that?

00:40:03.260 What, in your opinion was, if this is a separate thing, because, uh, in, in testimony, people

00:40:10.240 don't necessarily describe the presence of a silver cord, uh, do you think that Blavatsky

00:40:16.040 was wrong in her assumptions or, or her descriptions, or do you think that these are two separate

00:40:21.820 things and there may well be something, some sort of function that, uh, one could undertake

00:40:27.460 that would fit more accurately the description of what Blavatsky was talking about?

00:40:31.420 Well, there are out-of-body experiences and they're not dependent on Helena Blavatsky and

00:40:38.640 her Theosophical Society.

00:40:40.320 I mean, they would try to tell you, here's how you can have one, maybe, but they've been

00:40:44.880 reported all the way through history.

00:40:46.940 Um, there's another example from the Old Testament where it's, it sounds like either remote viewing

00:40:52.960 or out-of-body, but there's a particular instance, you know, where Naaman the leper comes

00:40:57.860 to the prophet Elisha and wants to get healed of his leprosy and he thinks I'm going to have

00:41:03.160 to do something really amazing and Elisha just tells him, go down and go down to the

00:41:07.920 river and, and bathe in the Jordan seven times.

00:41:10.580 And he kind of scoffs at that, but eventually he does it and he gets cured and he comes back

00:41:15.160 and says, thank you so much.

00:41:16.980 Let me reward you.

00:41:18.420 And Elisha says, nope, um, I don't, won't take a reward.

00:41:22.840 And Naaman says, okay, well then let me take some earth, you know, some dirt.

00:41:27.860 Back home so I can build an altar to Yahweh on it and I'll worship Yahweh from now on. 0.99

00:41:34.460 And Elisha says, sure, that's great.

00:41:36.440 So he gets the earth, loads it on his donkeys, heads out.

00:41:40.180 Well, then Elisha's servant starts thinking, my master wouldn't take anything from him,

00:41:47.360 but he was willing to give something.

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00:42:17.020 I bet I could get something out of him.

00:42:23.040 And so he follows Naaman and he meets with him and he says, hey, my master just had two visitors come.

00:42:34.160 Could we get a couple of nice robes from you and some other nice stuff that we can give him?

00:42:42.300 And Naaman is like, oh, by all means, here you go.

00:42:45.600 Please, I'm happy to do this.

00:42:47.160 And so the servant takes all this back.

00:42:49.680 And when he gets back, Elisha is saying, so what did you do today?

00:42:53.940 And he's like, oh, I didn't do anything today.

00:42:56.640 Did not.

00:42:57.320 And then what Elisha says is, did not my heart go with you to meet with this guy where you got the robes and the stuff?

00:43:06.500 Okay, this is sounding like an out-of-body experience.

00:43:10.600 If his heart went with you, but his body didn't go with him, this is sounding like an out-of-body experience.

00:43:20.360 And there are similar reports all the way down through history, including in the Christian community.

00:43:24.600 So I would say, however you explain these phenomena, what happened was Helena Blavatsky came up with her own ideas about him and then talked about him in terms of her ideas.

00:43:39.980 And that influenced the discussion for a while because she helped popularize him.

00:43:45.380 But then these days, at least in parapsychology, they've tried to scrape off all the Helena Blavatsky stuff and say, let's take this material out of it and just look at it from a scientific perspective and try to describe it as neutrally as possible without presumptions about silver cords and astral bodies and stuff and see what we find.

00:44:07.320 And when they did that, they found no evidence, basically, for a silver cord and mixed evidence for whether something leaves you.

00:44:16.060 But there have been thinkers in Christian history who have proposed that in addition to our body and our spirit, there might be some kind of in-between thing that we have that could potentially be sent out.

00:44:30.960 But that's theological speculation.

00:44:32.680 You find some thinkers, for example, in the Middle Ages talking about that.

00:44:37.320 It seems that you find quite a bit of that as well in Testimony of Alien Abduction, that some of it, at least, doesn't seem to actually happen in a physical sense.

00:44:51.680 But all of the emotion and the experience of being removed from your home by these shadowy entities is there.

00:44:59.840 But, you know, if you look around the room, if you have a camera, let's say, set up, it's evident that you never actually went anywhere.

00:45:08.980 You know, when you're talking about all these things, these are things that a lot of the medical industry would dismiss as hallucinations, including the near-death experiences.

00:45:22.460 But the problem with that is that just as you've described here, over hundreds, if not thousands of cases, there are discernible patterns, which kind of betrays the idea that these would be hallucinations.

00:45:36.580 Dr. Marzinski, who we talked about earlier, would say that...

00:45:40.700 Drink.

00:45:41.560 Yeah, every time we mention, we can't help but mention the guy all the time, but he would say that hallucinations, by definition, don't adhere to patterns.

00:45:51.400 And so once you have a series of patterns, especially in the way that you've been describing, it seems pretty obvious that there's something else going on here.

00:46:00.680 For the longest time, these things were kind of dismissed by the medical and scientific community as a pseudoscience.

00:46:08.680 There's always been a paranormal study that is the underbelly of these aforementioned industries, right, the scientific one and the medical industry.

00:46:19.900 But for the longest time, they've been ridiculed.

00:46:25.120 We just had recently, what's this guy's name, Tucker Carlson.

00:46:30.360 Tucker Carlson, he's making the rounds, and he said something pretty interesting, and it's that the West, in the West, I'm paraphrasing, we've lost our understanding of spirituality and more than likely by design.

00:46:45.800 It's just funny because where we sit right now, and I don't know if you feel this way, Jimmy, but the state of things suggests that we need to understand we've got a lot of catching up to do.

00:47:01.660 Because it seems imperative, based off of just world events, and especially in the West, the state of America, that we familiarize ourselves with the spiritual realm because it seems pretty obvious that there is one and that we're constantly engaging with it, unbeknownst to the average person who's just going through the nine-to-five grind.

00:47:21.180 You know, whatever you're doing, public transportation, you come home, you live your life on repeat, but in a million ways a day.

00:47:27.000 Is this my wife cooking dinner? We don't know.

00:47:28.980 It could be her evil twin.

00:47:31.700 But we seem to be interacting with it without even knowing it.

00:47:35.500 Do you think that's fair to say?

00:47:37.120 Oh, yeah.

00:47:37.640 Yeah, I think there is a spiritual world, and we are interacting with it, and much of the time unaware of the fact.

00:47:47.980 So one of the things—let me see if I can remember this, because I had a thought while you were speaking.

00:47:55.780 Oh, I know what it was.

00:47:56.640 It was about hallucinations.

00:47:58.460 So I've actually been reading a good bit about hallucinations recently.

00:48:03.060 For example, Oliver Sacks, the neurologist, has a whole book about him, and it's really fascinating.

00:48:10.980 One of the things that I think we have to be open to is that there could be hallucinations that have common patterns.

00:48:21.480 Now, most hallucinations seem to be quite random, and I know your other guest talked about that.

00:48:31.980 But in principle, if, let's say, there's a particular kind of hallucination that's based on a certain kind of bodily malfunction, it could generate similar experiences.

00:48:46.100 So, for example, one of the commonly reported phenomena in near-death experiences, you often hear about going through a dark tunnel.

00:48:56.060 Well, it's not always a dark tunnel.

00:48:57.720 Sometimes it's just a sense of motion towards a light.

00:49:01.980 And in some cultures, reportedly, it's not even moving through darkness.

00:49:08.940 It's like crossing a bridge to a beautiful park or something.

00:49:12.980 But however, in all these different situations, though, it seems that there's some kind of transitional movement or experience of transitional movement that frequently is through darkness to some kind of light or lighter realm.

00:49:27.720 Now, there has been a proposal, and I believe this was proposed by the British researcher Susan Blackmore.

00:49:38.460 That what's responsible for this is the dying of the visual cortex, and that the visual cortex goes offline in such a way that your field of vision kind of narrows, and you perceive light in the distance, and it's kind of like you're moving towards this light.

00:49:58.140 And it's really our visual cortex, and it's really our visual cortex diet.

00:50:01.120 People will describe that in those G-force tests.

00:50:04.060 Mm-hmm.

00:50:04.660 Yeah, something like that.

00:50:05.820 Yeah.

00:50:06.560 And so, okay, I think we've got to entertain that possibility.

00:50:12.500 Now, what that's not going to do is explain Maria Shue or other aspects of the experience where someone comes back with vertical information.

00:50:22.840 So even though I'd say it's hypothetically possible that there could be hallucinations that people experience that are based on, say, a physiological process that's shutting down or working wrong, I don't want to dismiss that.

00:50:44.220 But I also want to acknowledge that most hallucinations that people have tend to be very random.

00:50:49.580 They're like dreams, and deathbed visions, near-death experiences, and after-death communications are not like dreams, although after-death communications sometimes occur in dreams.

00:51:00.660 But there's enough here that you can't, even if Susan Blackmore was right about the visual cortex being responsible for this aspect, and she's just speculating.

00:51:12.740 There's no proof that that's what's happening.

00:51:15.300 It's just her guessing.

00:51:16.460 But even if that guess turned out to be correct, there's other stuff happening in these experiences that that will not explain and that does not have any normal explanation.

00:51:28.280 That has to be paranormal if someone's coming back with knowledge that's that specific that they couldn't, that they had no natural way of knowing.

00:51:38.080 And that's something that you find in the other experiences as well.

00:51:42.220 It's not just near-death experiences, you get vertical information like that in both deathbed visions and in after-death communications.

00:51:50.220 Let me give you an example of one of the types of information that people sometimes get in deathbed visions.

00:52:00.380 They also get this in NDEs, but it appeared first in the literature in the study of deathbed visions.

00:52:06.340 It's what's known as a peak in Darien experience.

00:52:10.200 Now, that's P-E-A-K, like a mountain peak, and Darien is a province in Panama, and there's an old poem about climbing a peak in Darien, province Panama, and when you get to the top of the peak, you suddenly unexpectedly see the Pacific Ocean on the other side of the peak, you know, which are like explorers would have this kind of experience when they were first exploring Panama.

00:52:35.880 And so in parapsychology, the term peak in Darien has become associated with a type of experience where you see something totally unexpected, and the thing that you see is someone you didn't know was dead.

00:52:54.020 So, in hallucinations that people have, they will hallucinate anybody.

00:53:04.380 They'll hallucinate people they don't know.

00:53:06.760 They'll hallucinate people they do know who are still alive.

00:53:10.300 They'll hallucinate all kinds of people.

00:53:12.380 Well, in deathbed visions...

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00:53:44.600 They don't hallucinate people who are still alive, and they don't hallucinate random strangers.

00:53:52.060 They specifically see departed loved ones who are here to welcome them into the afterlife and to help them cross over.

00:54:00.460 But sometimes, one of their departed loved ones is someone they didn't know was dead.

00:54:06.660 So, for example, one early...

00:54:09.660 This one was documented quite early in the late 1800s.

00:54:13.600 There was a British family where you had a woman who's dying, and she's surrounded by most of her siblings, but some of her siblings are dead.

00:54:22.720 And so, as she's having her deathbed vision, she says, oh, here's my first sibling, who everybody knew was dead.

00:54:29.680 And here's my second sibling, who everyone knew was dead.

00:54:32.560 And here's my third sibling, who everyone knew was dead, because people died a lot back then.

00:54:37.440 But then she says, oh, and here's my brother, who he's in the afterlife too, welcoming me.

00:54:45.800 And everyone thinks her brother is over in India and is just fine.

00:54:53.440 And the idea that their other fourth sibling is dead, he's there in the afterlife, was so disturbing to one of the women, one of the other sisters who was present.

00:55:06.200 She just couldn't handle it.

00:55:07.560 She rushed out of the room. 1.00

00:55:08.660 Well, then they get a letter saying, we forgot to inform you, your brother in India died, and he died at a date that turned out to be before this woman had her deathbed vision.

00:55:23.020 So, she had a Pekindarian experience, where she discerned that her brother was in the afterlife, even though nobody there knew that.

00:55:33.840 Another early one, this is from around 1923, you have another woman, she's in a maternity hospital, and she's got a heart condition.

00:55:45.280 And she, because of her heart condition, she has been on bed rest for a long time.

00:55:53.200 And, and she has given birth, and then after the birth, she's getting ready to die, because the strain of the birth was too much for her heart.

00:56:03.760 And so, she's getting ready to die, and she's having a deathbed vision.

00:56:07.640 And she's talking about how beautiful everything is that she's seeing and hearing.

00:56:11.620 People see light, they see a beautiful realm, they hear beautiful music.

00:56:14.820 And she says, oh, and here's my father, come to welcome me into the next world.

00:56:20.120 And here's my sister Vida.

00:56:23.420 And she had not known that her sister Vida was dead.

00:56:27.500 And she had no way of knowing that her sister Vida was dead, because Vida had died three weeks earlier.

00:56:37.280 And when the family learned about Vida's death, they talked to the hospital staff and said, do you think she can take this news?

00:56:45.480 And the matron of the hospital said, no, do not tell her about Vida's death.

00:56:49.340 Her condition is too fragile.

00:56:50.720 We've got to get her through this birth.

00:56:52.580 And so, they didn't tell her.

00:56:54.660 And her husband even screened her mail.

00:56:58.400 You know, because back then, they didn't have text, you know, text him.

00:57:01.760 They wrote letters.

00:57:03.240 And so, every letter that comes in from her, from a friend, before she gets to read it, her husband reads it to make sure nobody mentions Vida's death.

00:57:12.220 So, she had no way of knowing that Vida had died, and then she sees her in the afterlife, in her deathbed vision, welcoming her into the afterlife with her departed father.

00:57:25.400 And so, this would be another example of a peak in Darien experience that counts as veridical information that would support the idea that this is a real experience.

00:57:36.620 It's not just a hallucination due to the breakdown of, you know, the mind or anything like that.

00:57:45.480 This is something more than that.

00:57:48.200 It seems like maybe the similarities here would be the chemicals that are released in the brain upon death or upon a strenuous situation that would let you kind of pull back this veil.

00:58:01.940 Because you'll see, you know, you'll hear about experiences like this when people do psychedelics or DMT and things like that.

00:58:09.640 I know that there's similar chemicals that are released in the brain naturally, like specifically DMT.

00:58:15.240 And it seems like people are able to just kind of take a peek behind the curtain there right when they do these certain things, whether it's intentional or not.

00:58:23.880 Have your studies led you anywhere there?

00:58:25.740 There's a definite association between, now, so we kind of got two things going on here.

00:58:33.320 These are death-connected phenomena, but in both death-related phenomena and non-death-related phenomena, there is an association between gain in paranormal information, that's ESP, and an altered state of consciousness.

00:58:51.320 There was a researcher in the mid-20th century named Louisa Rine, and she collected case reports of people who had paranormal experiences, and she classified them.

00:59:08.200 And so she did statistical studies of them.

00:59:10.160 And one of the things she found is that when precognitive experiences occur, like, Raven, your experience about your uncle, 60% of the time, it's in the form of a realistic dream.

00:59:23.940 Now, yours was not realistic.

00:59:25.560 Yours was a symbolic dream if it was referred to your uncle's death.

00:59:29.400 But 60% of the time when people have precognitive experiences, it's in the form of a realistic dream.

00:59:35.540 And dreams, of course, are an altered state of consciousness.

00:59:39.240 We're not in normal, alert wakefulness when we're having a dream.

00:59:43.440 There are other altered states of consciousness, too, including things just like relaxation and letting your mind wander, you know, instead of being alert.

00:59:53.640 And there is an association that modern parapsychologists have found between certain altered states of consciousness and expanded awareness of things.

01:00:05.540 Now, it's not all altered states of consciousness.

01:00:08.360 Like, if you hyper-caffeinate yourself, so you're all jittery, actually, that's not going to help you be psychic.

01:00:18.900 But there are various states, like relaxation and so forth, that can.

01:00:26.000 In terms of specifically death-related experiences, people do, you know, as they're getting ready to die, they do enter altered states.

01:00:42.560 And this is something that's been commented on for a long time in the history of Christian thought.

01:00:47.860 St. Augustine, who lived back around the year 400, he has a whole discussion in—actually, it's in the 12th book, I think, of his literal commentary on Genesis,

01:01:01.340 where he talks about how when the mind is quiet and when it starts to partially disengage from worldly affairs and things like that,

01:01:12.620 that people can or are reported to have expanded awareness of things, and so they may predict the future or something.

01:01:21.300 Pope St. Gregory the Great, who lived about the year 600, he has a discussion where he also talks about,

01:01:29.300 it's like when your mind is starting to disengage from your body, you can have greater awareness and can learn about the future.

01:01:39.300 In fact, Pope St. Gregory the Great says that there are two ways that people can learn about the future precognitively.

01:01:46.840 We're not talking about God giving you the information. That's divine revelation.

01:01:53.300 And what Pope St. Gregory the Great is talking about is a little different.

01:01:57.940 He says some people seem to have a subtle quality to their soul that allows them to learn at least a little bit about the future.

01:02:07.640 But other people, when they're getting ready to die, and their soul is starting to detach from the body, they may have visions.

01:02:17.200 He's talking about deathbed visions.

01:02:18.960 And they may learn something that's going to happen in the future.

01:02:22.880 So there is a definite association between paranormal acquisition of information and altered states of consciousness.

01:02:31.820 You mentioned DMT in particular, and actually in the mid-20th century, there were parapsychologists who would test things like LSD and magic mushrooms and stuff like that to see, can we make someone psychic?

01:02:46.880 They didn't get great results.

01:02:49.620 One of the problems is that if you get somebody high, they may stop caring about your experiment.

01:02:57.280 They may stop complying with instructions.

01:02:59.240 They're just, what pretty colors, you know, they're off target because they're just enjoying being high.

01:03:06.800 Also, even if this altered state is letting them access something, it's also letting in a lot of noise.

01:03:16.140 And it can be hard to discern the signal from the noise.

01:03:19.580 And so psychedelic experiments to enhance psychic function and so forth,

01:03:24.880 they really didn't lead to anything because of those two issues.

01:03:30.100 It's too chaotic, yeah.

01:03:31.400 Yeah.

01:03:31.780 I can see how that's possible.

01:03:33.460 How about fasting?

01:03:36.280 It seems like fasting is also a tool that's been used biblically and throughout time to kind of do what you're talking about.

01:03:43.480 Yeah.

01:03:44.000 So fasting does, it can affect consciousness.

01:03:47.820 Actually, I do fasting myself.

01:03:49.500 I do intermittent fasting.

01:03:50.880 I only have a two-hour eating window every day.

01:03:54.620 But I've never had visions like that.

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01:04:24.140 But I do know that fasting is at least associated with having visions in some contexts.

01:04:35.580 For example, there's an early Christian write-in called The Ascension of Isaiah.

01:04:39.920 It was written, apparently, in the year A.D. 67.

01:04:45.020 And the way we know that is it mentions the death of Peter, which happened in A.D. 65 or 66, but it does not mention the death of Nero.

01:04:55.520 He committed suicide in 68.

01:04:57.520 So this appears to have been written between the death of Peter and the suicide of Nero.

01:05:01.860 That would make it 67.

01:05:03.600 And it's set 800 years earlier during the lifetime of the prophet Isaiah.

01:05:10.420 So it's not really written by Isaiah.

01:05:12.540 It's really a Christian document.

01:05:13.940 But it's set in Isaiah's time.

01:05:16.540 And one of the things that the figure of Isaiah does in the book to prepare for visions is fast.

01:05:21.660 Now, it could be that if you fast long enough and strictly enough, that that's going to help with the detachment that you need from ordinary worldly life to have an expanded awareness of things.

01:05:39.500 It also, though, could be a sign of religious devotion, that you're denying yourself in order to make a stronger connection with God and ask God to give you a vision.

01:05:51.960 So it could, to the extent fasting gets associated with things like visions or precognition or whatever, it could be because of a natural effect, or it could be because of a spiritual effect, where you're doing an act of devotion to reach out to God, and then God chooses to reward that by giving you a vision.

01:06:12.840 I want to kind of take this in a bit of a strange direction, and this might not yield any fruit.

01:06:20.660 Every time, every episode.

01:06:22.020 Every time I can't help it.

01:06:23.720 So there's actually something that is concerning that I've heard, and I hope that it's not true.

01:06:31.540 But when it comes to these sort of like New Age teachings and things of that nature, oftentimes there's a lot of, how would you put it, detail to these things.

01:06:41.520 And so one suspects that the idea at least came from somewhere.

01:06:48.440 And this is kind of a twofold thing.

01:06:49.860 So the first one is that there's this concept that when you die and you're entering this light that, you know, many people do describe, that this is actually an attempt by something called the Archons, if I'm not mistaken.

01:07:05.220 You're trying to trap you in this karmic loop of rebirth, that there's this cycle that we're trapped in.

01:07:15.780 And one of the things that makes that a little compelling is that you do come across these, in some cases, rather shocking descriptions, sometimes even by children, of their past lives.

01:07:30.720 Which is something that, as I'm looking at the world through a Christian lens, through a biblical lens, becomes a little bit difficult to define.

01:07:42.160 And so I take that, this, you know, anecdotally, you'll have a child who goes on for an extended period of time at a shockingly young age about a family that existed before.

01:07:54.340 And let's say one that I'm aware of, a descriptive of dying in the ocean.

01:08:00.960 But having a dog and having a sister.

01:08:03.100 This is the James Leninger case.

01:08:04.220 Right. And I don't know necessarily that that one is, it just sticks out to me.

01:08:09.540 But there's a lot, you know, arguably what is a lot.

01:08:13.080 But there are more that go along with that one.

01:08:16.180 And then, you know, lo and behold, they end up investigating because it's such a constant in the child's life that they feel the need to kind of put it to rest.

01:08:24.800 And so they find, through one means or another, that, well, there actually was a family that lived in this location that did have a little boy that did perish, you know, in the water, that did have this sister, that dog.

01:08:38.940 And then, you know, you kind of hear those things and you go, wow, I don't know what to do with that.

01:08:45.600 And I find it fascinating, but it's, you, you know, unless you're a parapsychology investigator, if you're just an average person, you hit a wall as far as the investigation goes.

01:08:57.220 And there's nothing else to do there.

01:08:58.480 And so, like I said, I just got to put those things in my back pocket.

01:09:01.740 I wonder if in your studies you've come across that or what you make of it.

01:09:04.860 Well, so that is part of survival research, and I've done a lot of survival research, including on what are called cases of the reincarnation type.

01:09:17.320 So the word type there is important.

01:09:19.760 We're not saying this is reincarnation, but it's suggestive of reincarnation.

01:09:24.160 And so cases of the reincarnation type, C-O-R-T, or court, is something I've actually looked at a lot.

01:09:31.300 I've read numerous books on the subject.

01:09:33.140 I did a two-part look at them on Jimmy Akin's Mysterious World, where in part one, I survey what current reincarnation research has come up with.

01:09:43.560 And then in part two, I look at potential explanations for it.

01:09:46.960 I'll give you a brief answer now about the archons and stuff, strictly from the faith perspective.

01:09:53.100 But if you'd like to talk about this more, why don't you all have me on again, and we can talk reincarnation, because it's a whole other big subject.

01:09:59.560 I have your YouTube page pulled up here, and one of the first things is like, was Bigfoot on Noah's Ark?

01:10:04.460 And I'm like, let's talk about this too, man.

01:10:08.680 We're going to be dragging you back on.

01:10:10.560 We're going to be dragging you back on.

01:10:13.060 In the case of was Bigfoot on Noah's Ark, that was a question someone posed to me, and I don't have a huge amount to say about that.

01:10:20.740 It's a fun question, though.

01:10:22.020 But it's a fun question, yeah.

01:10:24.940 In terms of the scenario you sketched, now I'm going to have to, I think, from two perspectives.

01:10:31.140 The reason perspective, which is what would science tell us about this, and the faith perspective.

01:10:36.060 And so I'm going to skip over the reason perspective now, and we can talk about that in the future.

01:10:41.660 But from the faith perspective, so Hebrews tells us that, well, okay, the consistent message of the New Testament is what happened to Jesus is going to happen to us.

01:10:53.940 He did not reincarnate.

01:10:55.840 He was resurrected.

01:10:57.460 That's what's going to happen to us.

01:10:59.400 We're going to resurrect.

01:11:01.240 He's the first fruits of the resurrection.

01:11:03.280 We're the harvest of the resurrection.

01:11:05.880 And that's been the belief of Christians consistently down through history.

01:11:09.620 There's never been a major deviation on that.

01:11:12.240 The only people who have talked about reincarnation were like Gnostic heretics, and they're really a separate religion.

01:11:18.240 They're not really Christian. 0.93

01:11:19.340 They just have some Christian elements.

01:11:21.000 Kind of like Islam is a separate religion, but it's got some Christian elements in it.

01:11:27.020 Okay, so that's the basic message of Christianity.

01:11:31.340 But could—now, the archons that you mentioned, that's a concept from Gnosticism.

01:11:39.620 The Gnostics believed that there were these various spiritual emanations from an unknowable ultimate God that ruled things in creation, and they're called the archons.

01:11:53.180 So I would say from a Christian faith perspective, what evidence do we have that there even are any archons?

01:11:59.720 You know, they're not in the Orthodox tradition of the Church Fathers.

01:12:06.360 This is really a concept that's being imported from another religion.

01:12:09.760 So even supposing, though—I mean, maybe it's not archons.

01:12:16.360 Maybe it's demons.

01:12:19.160 You know, could demons be trying to trap us in reincarnation?

01:12:22.860 Well, the book of Hebrews, in chapter 10, says, it is appointed for man once to die, and then comes the judgment.

01:12:33.940 And so—and he's clearly responding to, like, Greco-Roman beliefs in reincarnation, you know, because there were people in the ancient Greco-Roman world who did believe in reincarnation.

01:12:44.720 And he's saying, that's not the way it is.

01:12:46.460 It is appointed for man once to die, and then comes the judgment.

01:12:50.660 So that's the rule.

01:12:53.600 That's the principle.

01:12:56.640 Now, going out on a limb, well, can there be exceptions to the rule?

01:13:01.240 Well, okay, let's look at that once-to-die part.

01:13:05.680 Did anybody ever not die?

01:13:09.420 Well, Enoch and Elijah didn't die.

01:13:11.500 Yeah, a few people.

01:13:12.360 Yeah, so a few people.

01:13:13.540 Did anyone die more than once?

01:13:16.280 Well, maybe Lazarus and the widow of Nain's son and Jairus' daughter and people like that.

01:13:22.900 So, yeah, it looks like there's a few exceptions to the first part of the rule.

01:13:27.420 And if there are a few exceptions to the first part of the rule, hypothetically, there could maybe be others.

01:13:36.760 But if so, and even that's wildly speculative, they've got to be a tiny minority.

01:13:44.320 The rule is that it is appointed for man once to die, and then comes the judgment, no reincarnation.

01:13:54.500 Now, speaking from a faith perspective, so I would look at the proposal that there are archons or demons or whatever who are trying to trap us into a cycle of reincarnation very skeptically as a result.

01:14:12.580 But that's something, frankly, I wouldn't be worried about.

01:14:21.080 The state of your soul is when you die, you're either in God's friendship or you're not.

01:14:26.620 If you're not in God's friendship, a demon is not going to try to get you to go back so you can have another chance.

01:14:32.700 And if you're in God's friendship, then God's going to protect you.

01:14:37.880 You know, Jesus talks about in his parable of Lazarus and the rich man, he talks about when Lazarus, who's one of God's friends, when he dies, the angels come and escort him to Abraham's bosom.

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01:15:36.300 And that parallels what we see in deathbed visions and near-death experiences where people say, oh yeah, angels or departed loved ones.

01:15:46.340 You know, they came, they had all this peace, and they led me or were leading me.

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01:16:20.700 Into the good place in the afterlife.

01:16:23.820 And so I would look at the Archon theory very skeptically from the faith perspective.

01:16:31.340 I also, from the reason perspective, I would say what evidence do we have that this is what's happening,

01:16:37.400 as opposed to just a story that someone has come up with.

01:16:40.600 And if someone has evidence for it, I'd be happy to consider it from the reason perspective.

01:16:45.900 I just have not seen evidence for it.

01:16:48.960 It sounds like speculation to me.

01:16:50.760 But if it were to happen, you would consider it maybe an avarition of that minority that you talked about earlier.

01:16:57.920 So, like, let's say hypothetically it was proven that this young boy did have this experience or any of these number of people who have this testimony to share.

01:17:06.020 Then these might fit into the same category as maybe a Lazarus or something of that nature.

01:17:10.820 So, hypothetically, but I don't know that we need to go even that far, because there are other explanations for why one person can have another person's memories besides I used to be that person.

01:17:23.320 There are—and just to preview a little bit what we can talk about in the future—I classify the different theories about what could explain cases of the reincarnation type into three groups.

01:17:39.200 There are what are called—they're soul theories, residue theories, and psychic theories.

01:17:45.320 And soul theories are like what you find in Hinduism. 0.84

01:17:50.480 In Hinduism, they believe that you have a soul.

01:17:52.900 They call it an Atman, and your Atman, or soul, passes from one body to another over a course of different lives.

01:18:01.240 So that's the Hindu view.

01:18:03.680 And it's only in that view that what we think of as reincarnation occurs.

01:18:09.000 Then there are residue theories, where something less than a full person makes the jump from one life to another.

01:18:18.820 And this is what you have in classical Buddhism.

01:18:22.060 Buddhism has a doctrine they call Anatman.

01:18:25.680 It means no Atman. 0.99

01:18:27.760 There is no stable soul that a person has that could move from one life to another.

01:18:32.920 So in Buddhism, classically, they compare reincarnation to one candle lighting another candle.

01:18:39.920 As one candle is burning out, it can transmit something to another candle that causes it to start glowing.

01:18:47.180 But they're two separate candles.

01:18:49.520 They're not the same candle.

01:18:50.540 That almost sounds like Buddhism had a handle on the NPC theory before the West came up with that idea, right?

01:19:00.560 Or at least modern-day culture.

01:19:02.480 That's fascinating.

01:19:03.980 Yeah.

01:19:04.460 So the thing about—now, there is a variety of different perspectives within Buddhism, and some of them are more survivalistic.

01:19:12.360 They would have something at least more like a soul theory.

01:19:15.800 But classically, Buddhism would say it's like one candle light in another.

01:19:19.500 So there's something that passes between people that would include these memories, but it's not a full person.

01:19:25.000 Hey, Jimmy, on that—

01:19:25.640 It's just a kind of residue.

01:19:26.680 On that, as David's talking about the NPC theory, it's something that I floated out there as like a joke, just on Twitter kind of, you know, having fun.

01:19:35.700 That there are NPCs around, non-player characters around us?

01:19:38.560 Not just some, but I mean, when you're walking around in like Walmart and you're like, are these people have soul—like, are these people—do they have that spark in them? 0.98

01:19:49.040 And I know it's kind of like demeaning what God can create, but I'm like, there's a lot of damn people around us.

01:19:54.460 How many of them are actually like functioning awake, have that—it's a great analogy, that little spark that's been passed on from one thing to the next. 0.74

01:20:02.920 Are there a finite amount of souls in this realm?

01:20:05.560 Or maybe it's not necessarily that.

01:20:07.900 Maybe you can almost incapacitate the function of someone's soul by giving them so much stimulation.

01:20:14.200 Lesson, right?

01:20:15.280 Yeah, you put them on drugs.

01:20:16.640 You give them a million and a half different things to pay attention to.

01:20:19.860 Stimulation, stimulation shows, your phone, things of that nature.

01:20:22.720 Can you effectively kind of make them form it?

01:20:27.000 Yeah, dull the flame.

01:20:28.020 Yeah, that's a good way to put it.

01:20:30.080 Interesting idea.

01:20:31.000 The idea—aspects of that touch on what's actually a debate in philosophy.

01:20:37.220 That's what my academic training is in, is in philosophy.

01:20:40.300 And there's a debate over what are called philosophical zombies.

01:20:44.760 The idea of a philosophical zombie is it looks like a person, it behaves like a person, exactly like a person, but it has no consciousness.

01:20:55.500 It just has a glazed look over its eyes.

01:20:57.060 No, it doesn't have a glazed look.

01:20:58.580 It responds exactly the way you expect a person to respond.

01:21:02.300 It's just there's nothing going on in its head.

01:21:04.640 You know, it's funny, all this precognition stuff.

01:21:07.540 So with the near-death experiences, you've got Stephen King books like The Shining and Dr. Sleep where this guy, he knows something because he's writing directly about a lot of these features of life.

01:21:19.080 And with this sort of thing—oh, man, I just lost my thought.

01:21:24.160 We were saying the NPCs and the philosophical zombies.

01:21:28.140 Yes, so the philosophical zombies, there was like maybe 10 years ago, very popular movement throughout the culture with zombies.

01:21:34.940 You couldn't get enough of zombies.

01:21:36.500 Zombie walks.

01:21:37.120 And then it just goes away, right?

01:21:39.040 They had World War Z, Walking Dead, all this stuff.

01:21:41.060 Took over the culture and then gone. 0.97

01:21:42.460 But it kind of puts it in the zeitgeist so everyone's thinking about this idea of a zombie.

01:21:46.860 Is it a lab-created thing or is this actually what's happening?

01:21:51.460 I have a two-part look at zombies on Mysterious World, and I'm here to tell you zombies are real.

01:21:58.760 They—my new favorite podcast.

01:22:00.580 That was amazing.

01:22:04.140 All right, why are they—this is incredible.

01:22:05.940 Let's go.

01:22:06.540 No, okay.

01:22:07.300 So, well, first of all, let me touch on that third theory that could explain cases of the reincarnation type, psychic theories.

01:22:13.660 Okay.

01:22:14.260 If psychic functioning exists, then all you need is a link between a person in the present and a person in the past.

01:22:22.360 And all the memories could travel through that link.

01:22:25.440 So there are multiple other—and I think there are reasons to propose that as a theory.

01:22:31.240 But that's the third theory.

01:22:33.660 So notice only on that first theory, the soul theory, would actual reincarnation occur.

01:22:40.760 On the residue theory, some kind of residue might pass from one person to another, but it's not an actual soul.

01:22:46.640 And on the psychic link theory, information passes between one person and another.

01:22:50.960 But that's it.

01:22:51.680 On the residue theory, that's fascinating because I wonder if that fragment of a person or a fragment of a soul could pass down multiple times.

01:23:02.180 Potentially.

01:23:03.240 If there was a historical figure, let's say, because you get a lot of people that are like, I'm the—I have the memories of, you know, name, you know, historical figure.

01:23:10.540 And it's like, well, maybe you're not.

01:23:12.720 But maybe there is some—

01:23:13.680 Does the residue stank?

01:23:14.340 Does it have a stank?

01:23:15.200 Yeah, exactly.

01:23:15.820 One of the things I wanted to touch on, too, before we go back into the zombies, we brought up—so you brought up the archons, and you're like, well, there's no really, like, biblical precedent or historical precedent for the archons.

01:23:26.300 It comes from a different religion.

01:23:27.220 The gods that Hindus observe and worship in some cases, they are also not biblical, but they are there.

01:23:36.340 And then if we want to think about the Atlanteans or the Greek pantheon, what we've been thinking and hypothesizing on the show is that a lot of these entities are—they overlap.

01:23:48.900 They're kind of the same thing, renamed, slightly different.

01:23:51.980 And then, you know, you'll read the Book of Enoch, and in the Book of Enoch, there's a lot of good information, but it's not in the Bible for a reason, because it was—it's not written by God, inspired by God.

01:24:02.380 It's written by fallen angels, inspired by fallen angels in a way.

01:24:05.900 So you're getting information.

01:24:07.520 Yes, it's—yeah, it's the historical—

01:24:10.380 How do you—how do you—well, okay, I mean, it obviously talks about fallen angels.

01:24:15.040 Yeah.

01:24:15.220 Is it Enoch's telling?

01:24:17.560 Yeah, well, okay, so the modern scholarly view is that it was—it's actually about six different books that got stitched together, and they were all written between 200, 300 B.C. and A.D. 70 was, you know, the latest possible for one of the books.

01:24:36.480 And so none of them were actually written by Enoch, but there are people who think it is in the Bible.

01:24:48.280 If you're in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, they've got it in their Bible.

01:24:53.940 Other Christians don't, but the Ethiopian Orthodox do have it in their Bible.

01:24:58.380 The reason I say that, it seems like a lot of angel worship when you read this book.

01:25:02.800 It seems like they're glorifying the abilities of these angels, and it just doesn't sit right with me.

01:25:07.720 So I'm weary when I read it as to what information is true and what is not.

01:25:12.580 Well, I think that's good.

01:25:15.200 I think we should not—and I've got a two-parter coming up on the book of Enoch.

01:25:20.020 I think we need to be careful about reading it and how we process different pieces of information in it, but I'd hesitate to just say the book was written by fallen angels because Jude quotes it.

01:25:34.500 He says, as Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, and then he's got a quotation.

01:25:40.440 So that's a positive endorsement of this book.

01:25:43.020 It may not make it biblical, but that's a positive statement in the book of Jude.

01:25:48.240 Okay, in the book of Jude, okay.

01:25:49.220 What I mean is when you read the book, it just seems like there's testimony from, like, Enoch is telling you what he's being told from one side.

01:25:57.120 Then he goes to God, and then he's saying this.

01:25:59.080 So it's like part of the—not all of this is coming from God.

01:26:03.100 And also, who's really writing this?

01:26:05.280 I'm just not quite sure where to put it.

01:26:07.240 So I don't put it anywhere.

01:26:10.000 I just kind of leave it on the shelf, and I refer to it here and there when it might suit me.

01:26:14.700 Okay.

01:26:15.920 Yeah.

01:26:16.320 I don't know that I see the angel worship in it that you do, but I'd have to review it.

01:26:23.920 This idea that, like, in the beginning of the book of Enoch, it says that this book was meant for the tribulation generation. 0.97

01:26:29.040 And then I believe the book of Enoch was found with the Dead Sea Scrolls in, like, the 40s, maybe something like that.

01:26:36.660 But do you look at that and entertain the idea that we might be in the tribulation generation and that the book was meant to be found?

01:26:47.780 I don't think that Enoch provides—I don't think that Enoch provides us with evidence for that.

01:26:55.920 Because Enoch, we've had it for the last 2,000 years.

01:27:02.100 In the Ethiopian, by the way.

01:27:03.300 In the Ethiopian tradition, yeah.

01:27:05.140 And its greatest period of popularity was around the time of Jesus.

01:27:10.300 So—and if you think about how a lot of Jewish people looked at the world then, they thought they were in the end times.

01:27:19.880 You know, we've got the Romans. 0.98

01:27:21.400 There's going to be this great war between the sons of light and the sons of darkness, and the Messiah is going to come in and he's going to kick butt. 0.80

01:27:27.260 And then we'll have this wonderful new world in the Messianic Age. 0.99

01:27:32.680 Because they had a political understanding of what the Messiah was going to be and do, rather than a spiritual understanding of the Messiah.

01:27:39.480 So I think the natural way to read, you know, like, this is for the last generation type stuff is in those terms.

01:27:47.660 Okay.

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01:28:16.420 So I don't think we could use its modern—because even today, the vast majority of people have never heard of the Book of Enoch, even in Christian circles.

01:28:30.680 It's really a niche thing.

01:28:33.040 So I don't think we could look at its little flower and of popularity right now as a sign that we're in the end.

01:28:38.460 What are your thoughts on the little season?

01:28:42.700 Have you heard about this?

01:28:45.000 I've heard of it, but why don't you explain your understanding of it to me?

01:28:49.260 David, take it away.

01:28:50.180 So we spoke to—I think it was Paul of Understanding Conspiracy and JT Follows JC, both of them excellent content creators, doing very much the same thing, probably to a higher degree than what we do, looking at the world through the biblical lens.

01:29:04.500 But one of the things that they suggested was that the Millennial Kingdom has already happened, and what we are currently in is the Satan's small season.

01:29:14.060 And they gave some pretty compelling, interesting, supportive pieces to help kind of paint that idea.

01:29:21.220 And one of them was that this erection recently of Tartaria—I'm sure you're familiar with it to some degree, right?

01:29:28.260 Tartaria is like this—it kind of took the conspiracy realm by storm maybe over the past, like, four to five years.

01:29:36.940 And it's this remnants of ancient architecture that was mostly covered up by a mud flood.

01:29:43.740 And long story short, people are suggesting that a great deal of our history has been erased.

01:29:48.980 And there was a sprawling empire called Tartaria that started off in, like, Eastern Asia, I believe, and ended up all the way to the Americas.

01:29:58.240 But that what they're suggesting—you know, I don't think it's something that they would say definitively they hold to be true—but what they're suggesting is that Tartaria is actually remnants of Christ's Millennial Kingdom.

01:30:11.760 And there was a lot of other things to go along with that, but one of the things that also paired with it was this idea that if you look around through a kind of conspiratorial lens, you might see things that suggest that the elites, as they were, are manufacturing end times prophecy in one way or another.

01:30:32.800 They're showing you this one thing, and it suddenly looks like end times prophecy is coming true.

01:30:36.640 Another thing happens on the world stage.

01:30:38.700 And I'm not saying anecdotally, like we just mentioned a moment ago, about how all people throughout history thought they were in the end times.

01:30:46.120 It's like, you know, you have the red heifer situation.

01:30:49.400 Well, the ways in which they manufacture that is there's actually a ranch out in Texas that is trying to genetically modify the perfect red heifer.

01:30:56.840 And, you know, there's a bunch of different, once again, anecdotal ways that you can suggest that they're doing this.

01:31:01.760 But if they are doing this, then it might be—and it's a very sexy theory.

01:31:06.840 I like it. I enjoy it very much.

01:31:08.340 Very sexy.

01:31:09.000 Very sexy theory. I like it.

01:31:10.580 I like a good theory, is that they're manufacturing end times prophecy to obfuscate where we are in the biblical timeline.

01:31:18.500 And there is also this notion that somewhere along our history, we gained—I believe it is we gained and or lost.

01:31:26.120 We gained or lost a thousand years.

01:31:28.860 And they had some pretty interesting evidence to back that up as well.

01:31:32.800 I don't know that I did it justice, but it was a very cool episode.

01:31:38.280 Are you familiar at all with this idea?

01:31:39.960 Satan's small season, I think, is probably more accurately what it's called.

01:31:42.740 I'm familiar with aspects of what you just mentioned.

01:31:47.900 And I'll give you my impression on those, but I know we only have a few minutes left, so I'll be very brief.

01:31:51.820 In terms of the entire scenario that you just sketched—

01:31:57.940 It's a big messy scenario.

01:32:00.200 Yeah, all that stuff.

01:32:01.180 I think it is not supported by the evidence.

01:32:05.340 We're not missing several centuries.

01:32:08.300 There are ways to show that through what are known historically, through what are known as synchronisms, where you can show this person lived at the same time as that person, and they lived at the same time as this person.

01:32:17.800 With hundreds and thousands of synchronisms, you can show there's no missing gap.

01:32:23.940 There's no big gap.

01:32:24.900 There's no big jump.

01:32:27.020 Having said that, if we take away these elements in this lost civilization and things like that and say, could the millennium have already happened, and could we be in the little period where Satan gets unleashed before the second coming?

01:32:44.600 I would say, yeah.

01:32:48.200 The standard view through most of Christian history that most Christians have adhered to is called amillennialism.

01:32:59.460 And the idea in amillennialism is that Christ is reigning right now in heaven and through his church on earth.

01:33:07.140 And the devil—this is a key thing from Revelation 20—and if you ever want me to talk about Revelation and prophetic theories with you,

01:33:14.120 let me know—but it says in Revelation 20 that during the millennium, which is symbolic for a long period of time, the devil will be bound in such a way that he can no longer deceive the nations.

01:33:26.300 Okay, that's now.

01:33:28.520 Christ is reigning in heaven right now and through his church on earth, and the devil has been bound in such a way that we are in a vastly different situation now than in the first century,

01:33:39.680 where Christians were a teeny, teeny, tiny, tiny little minority of just a few hundred or thousand people.

01:33:45.040 Today, two billion people, a third of the global population are Christian, and half of the global population worships the God of Abraham.

01:33:55.000 The devil has been bound in such a way that he has not been able to stop the proclamation of the gospel.

01:34:01.420 So I would say the historic Christian view that we're living in the millennium right now, that's true. 0.99

01:34:07.360 But then we have to face the question of, well, could it have just ended, or could we be right at the end of it?

01:34:14.380 Well, there are certainly disturbing trends in the world.

01:34:17.400 On the other hand, if you study history, there have been disturbing trends everywhere.

01:34:20.920 It's true.

01:34:21.400 And we got a thousand, so I'll give you two pieces of evidence that point in opposite directions.

01:34:27.620 One piece of evidence is that a third of the global population is still Christian.

01:34:35.960 You know, it doesn't sound like we haven't had this massive fallen away where the church is persecuted almost to the point of death.

01:34:42.180 So that would suggest that, you know, it's still farther in, the second coming is still farther in the future.

01:34:48.060 On the other hand, and related to that, the prophecy from Romans 9 to 11 of the Jewish people are going to convert, that doesn't look like that's happened either.

01:34:58.740 So that would suggest it's again in the future.

01:35:02.100 On the other hand, Israel did just get its land back. 0.69

01:35:06.680 And that, I have a hard time saying that's by accident.

01:35:09.940 And so that's something that could suggest, even if it's still in the future, the second coming is still in the future a way, it could be closer.

01:35:17.660 I mean, it's always getting closer, but it could be a bit closer than you might otherwise think.

01:35:22.440 So I'm agnostic on when the second coming is, but those are some of the parameters that I bring to bear in considering the question.

01:35:30.880 You can talk for another hour about just Israel getting their land back and how it's done in such a way. 0.92

01:35:40.640 And also what are Jews, like who are the Jews?

01:35:44.100 Revelation 3, 9, I believe it's like they say that they are, but there's a lot going on here.

01:35:50.920 And it's all smoke and mirrors at this point.

01:35:53.020 And I'm waiting for the dust to settle to see a little bit more clearly about what exactly is going on.

01:35:58.380 But we like to entertain some kind of crazy theory sometimes.

01:36:02.520 Every Friday, I wanted to mention Ed Mabry, we do a series on the book of Revelation and we go chapter by chapter and we let him break it down for us and tell him what he thinks.

01:36:12.360 He has some unique views on it.

01:36:13.620 Very interesting guy.

01:36:14.880 So if I thought we were in the little season, I wouldn't bother doing that on Friday because I think we, you know, it's still good to read this book as if we are in possibly the end time generation and look for the signs to come of things.

01:36:31.240 Especially because it's one of the most contested, not contested, but like, I guess, argued over books in the Bible, right?

01:36:38.660 Where everybody's got a bunch of different theories.

01:36:40.760 So I think it's fascinating every time we talk to him.

01:36:43.340 You know, and we get to learn a little bit more from a bunch of different perspectives.

01:36:47.180 So, you know, I enjoy doing the series.

01:36:49.640 But I do feel like this episode, Jimmy, we barely scratched the surface.

01:36:54.000 It's very clear.

01:36:54.720 Guys, for the listeners out there, I highly recommend going and checking out Jimmy's page because as soon as you scroll just through the thumbnails alone, I struggle to know which one, which topic I want to have you back for first.

01:37:09.460 Because there's so much going on.

01:37:10.960 This thumbnail here, I'll just pull up your page.

01:37:13.040 But I got to step up my thumbnail game.

01:37:17.340 And it's not even like making it, like doing crazy stuff.

01:37:20.760 But this one right here, he's wrong.

01:37:22.160 Just pointed to his face.

01:37:23.180 It's like, dude, I'm going to watch that video right now.

01:37:26.120 Who's making these, Jimmy?

01:37:27.140 Are you making your own thumbnails, Jimmy?

01:37:28.700 I am, yes.

01:37:29.800 I'm crushing it.

01:37:30.880 Well, most of them.

01:37:32.420 I'm not making the Mysterious World thumbnails, but I'm making all the others.

01:37:35.540 Look at that.

01:37:36.040 Skinwalker Ranch, Bigfoot on the Ark, our Aliens Demons.

01:37:39.440 I mean, you're hitting all the sweet spots, all the interesting things.

01:37:43.360 Demon in the AI.

01:37:44.500 Oh, God.

01:37:45.080 Top.

01:37:45.600 That's my stuff right there.

01:37:46.660 That's top stuff right there.

01:37:47.680 We got to have you back on, Jimmy.

01:37:49.840 Hopefully this at least convinced you to like us a little bit.

01:37:55.180 Enough to come back on the show.

01:37:56.780 Oh, yeah.

01:37:57.460 Happy to come back.

01:37:58.940 Excellent.

01:37:59.460 Excellent.

01:37:59.800 Okay, so I guess then one more time, Jimmy, because I know we got to wrap it up.

01:38:03.680 Let everybody know where they can find your work.

01:38:06.320 Okay, so I work for an organization called Catholic Answers.

01:38:09.720 That's catholic.com is our website because we thought ahead back in the 1990s.

01:38:13.760 Wow, you guys got catholic.com?

01:38:16.380 Yep.

01:38:16.580 Incredible.

01:38:18.060 And my personal website is jimmyakin.com.

01:38:21.580 My YouTube site is youtube.com slash jimmyakin.

01:38:26.040 You can go over there right now.

01:38:27.620 Check out some of these videos.

01:38:28.720 Be sure to like, comment, and subscribe.

01:38:32.140 And all you got to do to get there or to my personal website, jimmyakin.com, is spell

01:38:39.680 my name correctly.

01:38:40.480 Why don't you leave that up for a second?

01:38:41.880 As you can see, Aiken, if you scroll up, Aiken is so easy.

01:38:47.980 It is just like it sounds.

01:38:50.380 It sounds like you've run into problems with this before, Jimmy.

01:38:52.880 Yeah.

01:38:53.340 A-K-I-N. 1.00

01:38:56.000 There are no E's, T's, or S's in my name.

01:39:01.260 I want to put that in there so bad.

01:39:03.640 So, jimmyakin.com or youtube.com slash jimmyakin.

01:39:09.800 Excellent.

01:39:10.160 All right, man.

01:39:10.760 Yeah.

01:39:10.940 And I guess you're on Twitter as well.

01:39:12.560 Go follow him there.

01:39:13.360 Thank you, Jimmy, for taking the time and just dropping some more knowledge on us.

01:39:19.160 We have a lot to think about.

01:39:20.300 We have to go back to the drawing board because this is what happens.

01:39:23.360 Some of our theories are now moot.

01:39:27.320 So, now we have to go and let those die and figure out what we're doing here again.

01:39:31.780 That's what happens to all of us.

01:39:34.720 Yeah.

01:39:35.520 Over and over again. 1.00

01:39:36.520 It's a constant shedding of all the stupid things we thought were true. 1.00

01:39:39.800 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:41.320 That's life.

01:39:42.060 But, all right.

01:39:42.380 It's better than the alternative.

01:39:44.200 Yeah.

01:39:44.420 It's better than believing a bunch of stuff and holding on to it like it's part of your identity.

01:39:48.800 Exactly.

01:39:49.120 I've learned very early to, like, your ideas are not you.

01:39:54.900 These are just things that you're compiling on your journey here.

01:39:58.140 And when you find out that they don't suit you anymore, I put them down nicely.

01:40:02.020 Libertarianism, I'll put that down nicely.

01:40:03.440 But I remember the lessons that I learned from it.

01:40:05.640 And I continue on my journey.

01:40:07.220 Yeah.

01:40:07.600 You know.

01:40:08.240 If the name of the game truly is seeking the truth, then, much like myself, you're going

01:40:15.220 to be wrong a lot along the way, trying to find out what the truth is.

01:40:19.280 And so, but it's part of a learning experience.

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01:40:40.680 I thought I had...

01:40:41.200 A-K-I-N. 1.00

01:40:41.920 I said it so, like, confidently.

01:40:45.220 Jimmy Akin.

01:40:46.280 I said it like I knew I had it.

01:40:47.920 I knew I had it.

01:40:48.320 Confidence is a good thing.

01:40:49.720 Except for when you're confident in your wrongness.

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01:41:08.080 All right.

01:41:08.740 Thank you, Jimmy.

01:41:09.440 I really appreciate your time.

01:41:11.160 And I can't wait to have you back on.

01:41:12.700 We'll certainly be in touch.

01:41:14.040 My pleasure.

01:41:14.560 Thanks, guys.

01:41:15.540 All right.

01:41:16.100 See you later, guys.

01:41:17.060 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is an oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:41:23.020 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:41:26.820 It's human persuasion that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:41:33.240 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

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Nephilim Death Squad - July 21, 2024

047： Near Death Experiences w Jimmy Akin

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