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00:01:50.440 And we know from other scriptures that there are times when angels do interact physically in our world.

00:02:02.360 I mean, Abraham has a meal with the two who accompany Yahweh, or the angel of Yahweh,

00:02:08.160 because Abraham was able to look at him without being destroyed,

00:02:10.880 but it was Yahweh in physical form.

00:02:14.560 He served them a meal.

00:02:16.820 They busted Peter out of jail.

00:02:19.520 So, I mean, there are a number of places where, of course, the two who interacted with Lot and his family.

00:02:25.320 So, there are times when they do interact with us physically.

00:02:28.780 The book of Hebrews tells us that we sometimes entertain angels unknowingly,

00:02:33.620 because they look just like us.

00:02:35.720 So, this should not be a surprise.

00:02:38.560 It's just the people who don't want to accept that this is a possibility and try to read a presumption back into it.

00:02:46.420 They're spirit beings that can't even...

00:02:47.580 Well, yeah, except that the Bible tells us specifically that they did.

00:02:50.820 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:02:56.620 News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:03:01.480 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:03:09.680 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely...

00:03:15.680 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

00:03:17.480 There's some Nephilim shit. 0.99

00:03:18.720 It's like we all know it's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave. 1.00

00:03:24.960 They're controlling this now, and no one's talking about how they know they're trying to be slaves. 0.96

00:03:29.680 And everybody's just walking around, heading to climb, don't want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

00:03:34.880 But it's too late, we need to be ready to raise up.

00:03:37.700 Welcome to the end of day.

00:03:39.460 Everybody is slaves.

00:03:40.880 Only some are aware that the government...

00:03:43.220 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:03:48.520 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:03:51.720 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:03:55.180 And before we get into today's guest, I'd just like to make a quick announcement.

00:03:58.980 For those of you who are watching the show live, this is only a preview.

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00:04:07.440 If you want to continue to watch the show in an ad-free experience,

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00:04:16.260 For the rest of you, it'll come out in a couple of days.

00:04:19.000 Now, joining us today is our guest, Derek Gilbert.

00:04:23.020 Mr. Gilbert, if you could, please let the audience know where they can find your work

00:04:27.620 and what it is that you focus on.

00:04:30.080 The easiest way to follow what Sharon and I do is at gilberthouse.org.

00:04:34.420 gilberthouse.org, we produce a weekly television program called Unraveling Revelation.

00:04:40.980 We formerly produced programs called SciFriday, based on Sharon's experience as a molecular biologist.

00:04:50.060 We've done a program called The Bible's Greatest Mysteries, and we'll be bringing that back shortly.

00:04:55.200 We've been podcasting since 2005, when the podcast that started the whole thing, PID Radio,

00:05:02.460 which stands for Peering into Darkness, began as a way to try to explore what it is that interests us

00:05:08.740 and why we write the kind of stuff that we do.

00:05:11.360 We basically dig deep into the supernatural war that's been ongoing since before the Garden of Eden,

00:05:18.240 and we've done a lot of digging into the influence of the Nephilim or Rephaim on not just ancient Israel,

00:05:26.300 but on the world today.

00:05:27.740 There are prophetic scriptures that point to their ultimate destruction that have been sort of obscured

00:05:33.560 because it's only been within the last 40 years or so that scholars have acknowledged that,

00:05:38.220 yeah, okay, the Rephaim were not just run-of-the-mill human dead.

00:05:41.860 They were actually the spirits of the giants destroyed in the flood,

00:05:44.700 or at least that's what the Hebrew prophets believed.

00:05:46.540 But, yeah, we believe the Hebrew prophets knew what they were writing about and talking about.

00:05:51.160 So, anyway, that has been a focus of our work.

00:05:54.620 Why was that important back then, but how does it affect us today and in the future?

00:06:00.280 I love it, man.

00:06:01.200 That's exactly what this show is about.

00:06:04.060 So, what got us interested in this is obviously the story of, you know,

00:06:07.320 just the Genesis 6 story, which is becoming very popular these days,

00:06:10.060 and the through line that we see that it runs directly through our culture.

00:06:13.500 Almost everything that we come to and everything that we see around us,

00:06:17.540 it kind of goes back to this same story of fallen angels and their children who are disembodied in the world

00:06:23.820 and kind of running around causing chaos.

00:06:26.260 Or I guess, you know, we would call them demons, right?

00:06:29.320 The disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

00:06:31.200 Yeah, exactly.

00:06:31.860 And that was the understanding of the early church.

00:06:33.380 When you look at the writings of the early church fathers from the late 1st, really early 2nd century

00:06:38.720 through the early 5th century, that was the consensus.

00:06:41.940 It wasn't until Julius Africanus in the 4th century and then Augustine especially,

00:06:46.480 Augustine in the early 5th, that the idea that the sons of God,

00:06:51.580 mentioned in Genesis 6, verses 1 through 4, were sons of Seth, became the predominant view.

00:06:57.940 And that's really what's taught in seminaries today.

00:06:59.740 Even though Bible scholars, you know, not ordained pastors, but people who study the biblical texts,

00:07:05.280 have understood for at least the last century that the early church's understanding of Genesis 6,

00:07:12.600 the supernatural view that the sons of God were spirit beings,

00:07:17.040 angels is kind of an imprecise term, but it's one I guess we're all familiar with.

00:07:20.700 These angels came down to earth and commingled with humanity.

00:07:23.960 Bible scholars understand that's what was meant by Genesis 6, verses 1 through 4,

00:07:28.760 but that's not what's being taught to pastors.

00:07:32.100 And then when you couple that with the idea that we are a monotheistic religion,

00:07:36.020 even though we believe as Trinitarian Christians that the Godhead, Father, Son, Holy Spirit,

00:07:41.420 they are three, but they are one, which is, you know, mind exploding.

00:07:45.880 But there are no other gods.

00:07:49.080 And so when we start talking about the other gods mentioned in the Bible,

00:07:52.980 I mean, God himself, Yahweh, calls them gods, small g. 1.00

00:07:57.500 That really gives some people a headache.

00:08:02.200 They can't accept this because, wait a minute, there are no other gods before.

00:08:06.740 Yes, there are no other gods before Yahweh, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

00:08:12.080 And so that is what's called the divine counsel worldview.

00:08:18.000 Dr. Michael Heiser, the late Dr. Michael Heiser,

00:08:20.220 was really foremost in bringing this concept from academia to us in the pews.

00:08:27.020 And so now it really is a lot, as Mike would put it,

00:08:30.700 explanatory power toward helping us understand some of the difficult passages in the Old Testament.

00:08:36.360 It's funny because I was having this conversation with one of my friends who is in seminary or he graduated.

00:08:45.820 He might still be going.

00:08:46.660 I think it's like an ongoing thing with him.

00:08:48.520 But I'm in his house and he has this really cool porcelain statue of the Ten Commandments.

00:08:54.080 And we're talking about this and he's arguing.

00:08:56.060 He's like, no, it's the sons of Seth.

00:08:58.260 This is just heresy.

00:08:59.680 And when they go on about this, yada, yada.

00:09:02.220 And I was like, well, what does that mean?

00:09:03.500 The first commandment right there, you see that one at the top that says,

00:09:06.520 thou shalt take no gods before me?

00:09:08.820 And I was like, where do you put that scripture?

00:09:11.720 And it's kind of like fumbling around.

00:09:14.000 I go, I'm not really sure.

00:09:15.140 I was like, well, because he meant what he said there.

00:09:17.420 That's why he wrote that, lowercase g, gods.

00:09:19.880 Right.

00:09:20.420 Exodus 12, 12, when he's telling Moses that on the night that the destroying angel passes through the land of Egypt,

00:09:27.160 on all the gods of Egypt, I will execute judgment. 0.99

00:09:31.100 Who are they?

00:09:31.720 And Psalm 82, when God takes his place in the midst of the divine council, in the midst of the gods,

00:09:37.780 wait a minute, Elohim is not in the midst of himself, so who are these other Elohim that he's in the midst of?

00:09:44.040 And so critics of the divine council worldview, and there have been some who've been posting videos critical of Mike Heiser

00:09:49.820 just within the last couple of months,

00:09:52.180 they have to find ways to explain why the word Elohim in Hebrew doesn't mean what it means.

00:09:58.660 because the word Elohim always refers to spirit beings.

00:10:01.880 It does not ever refer to humans.

00:10:03.560 But they try to read the New Testament for, specifically, John 10, verse 34, back into Psalm 82, verse 6,

00:10:10.660 where God is telling these other entities,

00:10:14.680 though you are gods, all of you, sons of the Most High, like men you shall die and fall like any prince.

00:10:20.080 Well, Jesus quotes Psalm 82, 6, to the Pharisees and the others who are accusing him of casting out demons by his own power or whatever.

00:10:28.480 And Jesus had just said, I and the Father are one.

00:10:32.040 Okay, so he's claiming divinity, and then they want to stone him for this.

00:10:37.920 And then Jesus says, your scriptures say, you are gods, all of you.

00:10:44.560 And so this is taken as a proof text by the critics saying that, see, Jesus said, we're all gods.

00:10:50.220 It's like, wait a minute.

00:10:50.920 If he was doing that, then why did they want to stone him for saying, I and the Father are one?

00:10:55.680 If Jesus is saying, hey, your own scriptures say that I'm a god, you're a god, we're all gods, wouldn't you want to be a god, too?

00:11:02.800 It's not logically consistent.

00:11:06.220 In fact, Mike wrote a paper on this and presented a paper on this back in 2011 for the Society of Biblical Literature.

00:11:12.680 Jesus wasn't saying what the critics say he was saying.

00:11:15.880 They're taking a conclusion.

00:11:17.900 There are no other Elohim. 1.00

00:11:19.840 And they're reading it back into the Old Testament.

00:11:21.780 And it's rather hubristic, really, because it's, you know, here we are in the 21st century English speakers telling Hebrew speakers that they don't know what their ancestors were writing about 2,500 years ago or 3,000 years ago.

00:11:34.120 So it does mean what it means.

00:11:36.380 And it means we as Christians need to kind of understand the worldview of the Hebrew prophets and apostles.

00:11:42.540 So contrary to what critics have claimed, this is not trying to come up with some exciting new way of reading the Bible to sell books.

00:11:51.600 It's really about trying to understand the worldview of the Hebrew prophets and the Christian apostles.

00:11:56.640 It seems like a lot of us are making this mistake of trying to make the Bible fit our worldview instead of our worldview fitting into the Bible.

00:12:05.060 You know, one of the things I wanted to ask you to start off this conversation was when it comes to the angels who were cast out of heaven, who...

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00:13:39.540 End up taking human wives, let's say. 0.99

00:13:44.000 There is a lot of pushback.

00:13:45.840 One of the things that you—because through this narrative or this understanding of biblical text,

00:13:51.260 I also find that there's a tremendous amount of pushback from people who consider themselves to be Christians,

00:13:56.680 and it's just an argument of interpretation.

00:14:01.900 And one of the arguments is, well, angels did not have a physical form, that sort of an idea.

00:14:08.500 Well, it's premised on the idea that the Hebrew language doesn't mean what the Hebrew words actually mean.

00:14:15.640 First of all, again, the Bnei HaElohim of Genesis 6, that's what that phrase means.

00:14:23.340 It does not refer to humans.

00:14:24.560 It's never referred to humans.

00:14:26.380 It is a term that in the cognate languages or languages similar to ancient Hebrew,

00:14:30.860 the cognate phrase in those languages, in Eucharitic, for example, mean exactly the same thing.

00:14:37.500 The sons—and we'll put that in air quotes because these were all created beings, they were not engendered spirit beings.

00:14:44.140 As Jesus said that people in the resurrection are like the angels in heaven, neither marrying nor giving in marriage.

00:14:51.060 Yeah, it's because they're spirit beings.

00:14:52.240 They don't actually physically die, so they don't need to propagate.

00:14:55.680 They don't need to reproduce. 0.88

00:14:57.240 We operate in a different realm where we do suffer physical death,

00:15:01.020 so in order to continue the species, we have to physically reproduce.

00:15:03.720 But, and again, this is one of the objections, too.

00:15:07.060 It says the angels neither marry nor give in marriage.

00:15:09.600 Yeah, the angels in heaven.

00:15:11.520 Remember, that's a key part of that phrase when Jesus is contending this.

00:15:14.780 This is Matthew 12, beginning of verse 22, if I remember correctly.

00:15:19.680 And he—so he's—actually, that phrase, that whole exchange is not really about whether or not angels can reproduce.

00:15:28.220 It's about what happens in the resurrection.

00:15:29.860 The Sadducees were confronting him with a test.

00:15:33.060 You know, a woman was married to seven different brothers who all died one after another, never had any children.

00:15:37.400 So, in the resurrection, whose wife is she going to be?

00:15:40.040 Thinking they had him in a legal trap.

00:15:42.760 And that's where Jesus says, no, you don't understand the scriptures.

00:15:45.180 In the resurrection, there is neither marrying nor giving in marriage, because they're like the angels in heaven.

00:15:49.840 But the angels in Genesis 6, the sons of God, weren't in heaven.

00:15:53.660 Which is why Jude, in verses 6 and 7, where he talks about the sinful angels who were in chains in gloomy darkness,

00:16:01.680 kept not their first estate or left their proper dwelling.

00:16:05.460 They left the realm for which they were created, the spirit realm, and entered our realm, the natural realm, and commingled with humanity.

00:16:13.080 I mean, it's right there in Genesis chapter 6.

00:16:14.880 When you read the references to that event in the New Testament, 2 Peter 2, beginning at verse 4,

00:16:20.500 God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into, the English Bible usually reads hell,

00:16:26.860 but the Greek word is tartarosis, meaning Tartarus, not Hades.

00:16:31.000 A separate place of punishment reserved for supernatural threats to the divine order.

00:16:35.860 And Jude, the same way, in Jude, verses 6 and 7, when you continue on in Jude, when you continue on in 2 Peter 2,

00:16:42.800 it's clear that the sin of these sinful angels was a sexual sin.

00:16:47.400 Jude specifically says, likewise, Sodom and Gomorrah, you know, referencing their attempt to cross the species barrier

00:16:55.440 with the angels who protected Lot and his family.

00:16:59.780 And I think that's really what was going on there.

00:17:01.640 It's not that they were following an alternative lifestyle.

00:17:03.740 It's they were trying to get busy with the two angels.

00:17:08.100 Send those men out that we may know them.

00:17:10.060 And, of course, know, in the biblical sense, is a euphemism for physical intercourse.

00:17:15.100 So I think that's what we're looking at there.

00:17:17.820 Those who are making this statement, saying angels can't reproduce,

00:17:22.120 it's like Jesus said in heaven they don't.

00:17:25.960 But they weren't in heaven, first of all.

00:17:27.760 Secondly, Genesis 6 specifically says that they did,

00:17:30.780 and that's supported by the references to those sinful angels

00:17:34.900 and why they were punished in 2 Peter 2 and Jude verses 6 and 7.

00:17:40.440 A lot of people, too, also hold that.

00:17:42.640 They go, well, these people who are objecting to that notion

00:17:46.140 also are willing to accept the idea that men in Sodom and Gomorrah were trying to pursue these angels.

00:17:52.660 They did want them out of the house so that they can, you know, have intercourse with them. 0.97

00:17:56.840 Essentially, I mean, this is something that people seem pretty comfortable with in that context,

00:18:01.400 but not in this previous context.

00:18:04.120 I just find that interesting.

00:18:05.660 We actually do a Revelation series with this guy, Ed Mabry,

00:18:09.740 and we're 15, 16 episodes into it.

00:18:12.260 But the last episode, or two episodes ago, we were focused on the word fornication.

00:18:16.960 Because that comes up a lot.

00:18:18.820 And he was explaining to us that fornication doesn't just mean, like, sex out of marriage.

00:18:22.820 It means, like, a spiritual...

00:18:25.600 How did he describe it?

00:18:26.780 It's like a...

00:18:27.420 Well, he said that there's actually no such thing as sex out of marriage

00:18:30.820 because sex is almost, and I'm paraphrasing here, I'm sure I'm going to butcher his words,

00:18:35.080 but it's almost like a binding spiritual contract.

00:18:37.640 And so it, in his estimation, I think the way he described it

00:18:42.400 was that it is the equivalent of a marriage contract.

00:18:46.200 It is the actual sealing of the deal, essentially.

00:18:50.920 And so there is no sex before marriage.

00:18:54.160 Intercourse outside of marriage is...

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00:20:19.640 Marriage is a spiritual bond.

00:20:22.320 And that's why when the Israelites went after other gods, 0.92

00:20:25.100 it was called, you know, whoring after the Baals and the Asherim, 0.53

00:20:29.180 the Baalim and the Asherim. 0.81

00:20:31.500 And by the way, just to correct myself,

00:20:32.960 it was Matthew 22 beginning at verse 23 that I was referring to,

00:20:36.060 where he was confronted by the Sadducees.

00:20:38.400 So, yeah, and we know from other scriptures that there are times when angels do interact physically in our world.

00:20:48.300 I mean, Abraham has a meal with the two who accompany Yahweh, right, or the angel of Yahweh,

00:20:54.200 because Abraham was able to look at him without being destroyed, but it was Yahweh in physical form.

00:21:00.040 And he served them a meal.

00:21:02.720 They busted Peter out of jail.

00:21:05.620 So, I mean, there are a number of places where we, and of course, the two who interacted with Lot and his family.

00:21:11.340 So, there are times when they do interact with us physically.

00:21:14.760 The book of Hebrews tells us that we sometimes entertain angels unknowingly,

00:21:19.180 because they look just like us.

00:21:21.760 So, this should not be a surprise.

00:21:24.720 It's just the people who don't want to accept that this is a possibility,

00:21:29.020 try to read a presumption back into it.

00:21:32.480 They're spirit beings that can't interact.

00:21:33.580 Well, yeah, except that the Bible tells us specifically that they did.

00:21:37.700 Is it because this really pushes back in such a way as to alter the narrative we thought we understood

00:21:45.460 when we understood the flood of Noah?

00:21:47.640 And since that is such an integral story about the sin of man,

00:21:53.160 in our minds, it's kind of like this, it's a staple of a story when it comes to understanding the Bible.

00:22:01.740 And for us to be fundamentally wrong about that is to say that you are fundamentally wrong about your worldview.

00:22:09.320 So, when you're coming to a push against something that's that integral to your understanding,

00:22:15.660 I think that is where a lot of this pushback comes from, right?

00:22:18.280 Because the contention here or the ramifications is that the flood wasn't necessarily just because of the sin of man,

00:22:25.240 but because there was a genetic issue at foot in the sense of the DNA of these fallen entities

00:22:34.820 and their offspring with human beings.

00:22:37.280 It was a genetic corruption.

00:22:39.420 Yeah, and by the way, just to give you a heads up,

00:22:41.240 the retired fellow who mows our property is just gearing up his mower.

00:22:45.080 You can probably hear it in the background now.

00:22:46.440 As he's going around the barn here, it may get a little loud from time to time.

00:22:49.600 That's okay. We can take care of it in post.

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00:22:52.160 Using the voice isolation feature.

00:22:55.960 Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

00:22:57.920 I think for some people, cognitive dissonance is really more than...

00:23:03.420 I don't want to cast aspersions on anyone, because a lot of these people who are critical of the Divine Council worldview

00:23:09.700 or the Deuteronomy 32 addition, or not addition, but corollary to the Divine Council worldview.

00:23:17.940 Deuteronomy 32, verse 8, that when God gave the nations their inheritance,

00:23:21.740 meaning after Babel, when he divided the nations by confusing languages,

00:23:25.580 he numbered them according to the number of the Bnei HaElohim, the number of the sons of God,

00:23:31.320 meaning that he allotted angelic beings as supervisors, if you will, over the human race.

00:23:39.820 And then many of them chose to accept worship and became the gods of the nations.

00:23:43.800 This was the understanding of the Jewish rabbis until the 2nd century A.D.,

00:23:47.580 because this Divine Council worldview and this acknowledgement that there are other Elohim,

00:23:54.000 there's only...

00:23:55.320 How did Mike put it?

00:23:57.340 There are many Elohim, but not all... 0.99

00:24:00.360 Yahweh is an Elohim, but not all Elohim are Yahweh.

00:24:04.680 In other words, he is the only one who pre-existed all things

00:24:08.420 and spoke all other things into existence, including all the other Elohim.

00:24:12.200 Elohim, small e, is a designator of place,

00:24:15.420 not a description of one particular being.

00:24:22.500 It's like I'm a Chicagoan because I was born there, but I am not the Chicagoan, you know?

00:24:27.640 Right.

00:24:28.060 There is a high king, and he has a council like the court of a medieval king.

00:24:33.380 We see this in action in 1 Kings 22, where God asks the spirits

00:24:36.920 how they should deceive Ahab to go into battle against the Syrians, 0.84

00:24:40.920 where he will fall and be killed. 0.66

00:24:43.000 And, you know, as if God didn't know.

00:24:44.300 I mean, according to Isaiah, he sees the end from the beginning.

00:24:46.880 He knew what was going to happen, but for his own pleasure, he created a family.

00:24:53.040 And so one spirit says one thing, another says another, and finally God says,

00:24:56.100 okay, you'll succeed, go forth and do so.

00:24:58.160 But he knew what was going to happen, and he didn't need that spirit to do it.

00:25:01.380 God is omnipotent, omnipresent, you know, omniscient.

00:25:04.360 And so he could have done it himself, but for his own purposes, his own pleasure.

00:25:10.400 He created all of us.

00:25:11.660 I mean, he doesn't need us to talk about it and try to share the reasons we believe this

00:25:15.840 and why we find hope and joy in this, and yet here we are.

00:25:19.240 He did this for his own pleasure.

00:25:21.980 He desired family.

00:25:23.640 That's the reason behind the divine counsel concept.

00:25:25.860 Now, at Babel, people were apparently trying to build an artificial mountain 0.96

00:25:29.500 to reestablish contact with the old gods who used to walk among us,

00:25:34.200 who'd been demoted and punished and sent to the netherworld.

00:25:37.520 And, of course, you've got the pagan stories from various cultures that, you know,

00:25:41.800 the story of the Greek titans, the Roman titans, in other words.

00:25:47.220 That story is paralleled in ancient cultures going back to some of the earliest written civilizations

00:25:52.660 like the Sumerians and the Hurrians, where the Anunnaki of the Sumerians,

00:25:57.360 by the time of Abraham, they'd been demoted to gods of the netherworld.

00:26:00.980 The former gods of the Hurrians, which is an even older culture than the Sumerians, believe it or not,

00:26:05.700 their former gods were also banished in the netherworld.

00:26:09.720 And it's not coincidental.

00:26:10.660 The Greco-Roman religions came directly out of ancient Mesopotamia.

00:26:16.060 So these stories are repeated from culture to culture.

00:26:18.580 The names change, some details change, but the broad outlines of the story change.

00:26:22.920 At Babel, humanity tried to reestablish contact with the entities in the abyss. 0.97

00:26:29.440 And God said, okay, look, you want to deal with a lesser Elohim, fine, but you're not going to like it. 1.00

00:26:34.500 It's sort of the way God told the prophet Samuel.

00:26:37.400 The people are wanting a king.

00:26:39.320 All right, fine.

00:26:40.160 Go anoint Saul.

00:26:41.040 We'll give him a king, but they're not going to like it.

00:26:43.900 What do you make of people that say...

00:26:45.480 Wait, David, that's just, it's interesting because usually when we talk about Babel,

00:26:49.300 I think about, you know, shooting the arrow at God.

00:26:52.340 But you're saying that, no, it was quite different.

00:26:54.360 They were actually going beneath to then fight God.

00:26:57.840 So this kind of opens up the idea of what CERN is.

00:27:01.160 Maybe that's like a stargate.

00:27:02.860 It's a mountain or it's a tower.

00:27:04.720 It's depicted as a tower, but it seems like it's going below.

00:27:08.440 Well, what's interesting is that ancient Sumerian, the word for mountain was identical

00:27:12.040 to the word for the netherworld.

00:27:13.380 The word CERN, K-U-R, means mountain, but it also means the netherworld, which means

00:27:20.800 that the epithet for...

00:27:22.280 And I go into this in great detail in the book, The Second Coming of Saturn, because

00:27:26.000 his Akkadian and Babylonian identity, Enlil, his main epithet or nickname was CERN-GAL, meaning

00:27:35.540 great mountain.

00:27:36.440 But it could also mean, in Sumerian, it could also mean great below, great netherworld, great

00:27:42.420 hell, great whatever, great abyss.

00:27:46.900 And when we were at Gilgal Rephaim last spring, we spent a day there with the archaeologist

00:27:52.740 who did the most recent excavations at Gilgal Rephaim and the Serpent Mound of Bashan, which

00:27:58.100 is just a quarter mile north of there, covered with megalithic tombs.

00:28:02.080 He suggests that the reason the two gates in Gilgal Rephaim, if you look at it on Google

00:28:10.020 Earth, I mean, you can see it from space, this is how big it is, 500 feet across, there

00:28:14.440 are two gates in the outer ring.

00:28:18.220 And when you look out from the central core through those gates, they frame perfectly extinct

00:28:24.520 volcanoes on the horizon.

00:28:27.580 Okay?

00:28:27.820 One is Tel Saki, the other one is called Tel Fares.

00:28:31.760 They're both used now by the IDF as observation points to look into Syria, so you can't go

00:28:36.240 there.

00:28:36.880 But you can see them from Gilgal Rephaim, and he's right, they don't align with anything

00:28:41.560 astronomically.

00:28:43.840 So his thinking is, and because the central core has got an entry, like a chamber entry or

00:28:48.480 a shaft entry that leads to the central core, which would have been pitch black in ancient

00:28:54.420 times, archaeologists in the 90s scooped up some of the rocks that were on top of it,

00:28:58.660 so now there's a hole so you can see in from the outside.

00:29:01.120 There you go.

00:29:03.480 But when you went in there, other than on the summer solstice, when light would shine in

00:29:09.780 through a roof box and shine onto a threshold stone that you have to cross when you're going

00:29:14.720 into the central core, it was pitch dark.

00:29:16.800 It was like going into the netherworld.

00:29:18.480 And I document in the second coming of Saturn that there was an ancient practice that traces

00:29:24.020 back to the Hurrians, who are the Horites of the Bible, of digging a ritual pit and going 1.00

00:29:30.100 into this pit.

00:29:31.660 One of them discovered in a town in northern Syria a site called Tel Mozan, the ancient city

00:29:36.720 of Ur-Kesh, that was something like 40 to 45 feet deep.

00:29:41.460 And they would go down there, they would scribe like a magic circle on the floor, sacrifice a

00:29:45.580 small animal, and then summon gods from the netherworld.

00:29:48.780 My belief is that Babel was an attempt to reconnect with those old gods, the former gods 1.00

00:29:54.560 of the Hurrians, the titans of the Greeks and Romans, the Anunnaki of the Sumerians, who

00:29:59.600 were now in the netherworld to get them up and ask them for favors.

00:30:03.660 So I think Babel, even though it's a mountain, it also represents the netherworld.

00:30:08.220 And David Roll, the Egyptologist, whose chronology basically stands Egyptology on his head, don't

00:30:16.300 agree with his chronology, but he did point out something very, very interesting, that

00:30:20.800 the site of Babel was not at Babylon.

00:30:25.180 This probably dates to the very end of the Uruk period of history.

00:30:29.900 That, according to the Bible, was the center of Nimrod's kingdom.

00:30:33.720 The Uruk period ended around 3100 B.C., just before the invention of writing.

00:30:39.860 They dominated the Middle East, Mesopotamia, from the Persian Gulf to the Taurus Mountains

00:30:45.220 of Turkey for a period of about 700 or 800 years in the 4th millennium B.C.

00:30:50.940 There's a site in southern Iraq near the Persian Gulf.

00:30:54.840 In fact, back in the day, it was on the shore of the Persian Gulf called Eridu, E-R-I-D-U.

00:30:59.660 And there's a temple there to the god Enki called the E-Abzu, or House of the Abyss. 0.92

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00:32:27.140 There is a Sumerian poem that exists to this day.

00:32:34.740 It's been found and translated from, it was preserved in Akkadian, and translated into English.

00:32:40.960 It's called Enmerkar and the Lord of Arata.

00:32:43.380 And it remembers that this king named Enmerkar, who Roll suggested was the biblical Nimrod,

00:32:49.340 and I think he makes a good case, was trying to rebuild this temple as a gleaming mountain,

00:32:54.920 as an abode of the gods.

00:32:58.640 So this king, and Arata could be another name for Ararat, the mountains of Turkey,

00:33:04.440 which we know they had contact with because, again, the Uruk civilization extended that far north into Turkey,

00:33:09.920 was trying to get building materials from this kingdom of Arata.

00:33:14.240 I mean, you know, southeast Iraq, your building materials are basically sand and mud. 1.00

00:33:19.420 So they wanted timber, jewels, stone to build this temple as the abode of the gods.

00:33:26.400 Well, this ziggurat that archaeologists discovered in the early 20th century,

00:33:31.500 the latest excavation, I think, was 1949.

00:33:33.840 I think there's an Italian team working at that site right now.

00:33:36.300 But in 1949, they discovered like 18 levels to this temple.

00:33:40.440 It was the oldest, and if it had been completed, it would have been the largest ziggurat in Mesopotamia,

00:33:47.980 bigger than the great ziggurat of Ur for the moon god, bigger than the temple of Marduk in Babylon.

00:33:53.660 But it was never completed.

00:33:55.680 The scholars who wrote the paper on this in 1949 said,

00:33:58.880 for some reason, at the end of the Uruk period, construction ended,

00:34:02.380 and the site was very quickly covered over by drifting sand, just like in Genesis 10,

00:34:07.240 and they left off building the city.

00:34:10.440 So if you put this evidence together, I mean, there's no smoking gun,

00:34:13.920 because, again, this is pre-writing, you know, before the invention of writing.

00:34:18.260 We don't have any written records from the 4th millennium B.C. saying,

00:34:22.060 this is why we built this temple.

00:34:23.940 But we've got this poem that exists, and in that poem,

00:34:26.440 Enmerkar and the Lord of Arata, it even mentions the confusion of languages.

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00:35:51.960 So you've got this, the evidence pointing to the reconstruction of a temple called the House of the Abyss

00:35:58.160 that somehow was abandoned.

00:36:00.460 It's consistent with the story in the book of Genesis.

00:36:03.440 I know that we're going to be leaving soon from Rumble and YouTube,

00:36:09.140 but I wanted to ask this question before we move on to the next topic.

00:36:13.160 What do you say to people who, right now, Top and I, we see the rise of these ideologies, right?

00:36:21.100 Certainly the narrative of the fallen angels and the Nephilim and things of that nature,

00:36:24.980 but alongside of it, like you alluded to earlier, the Anunnaki and things like that.

00:36:29.080 And there is this really dismissive idea that just because the Sumerian texts predate the Bible

00:36:37.900 and predate the arrival of Jesus Christ, that makes them the actual source of information.

00:36:45.760 That makes them the source of the truth.

00:36:47.320 And, you know, it's a long kind of winded conversation to have about how these entities did exist.

00:36:55.520 They were cast out of heaven.

00:36:56.920 They did accept the veneration of mankind.

00:36:59.640 They ruled over mankind.

00:37:00.860 Some of them took the worship.

00:37:02.020 Some of them ruled over kingdoms, things of that nature.

00:37:04.600 But for some reason, people hit this block where they go, well, these, you know,

00:37:09.420 whether it's the Emerald Tablets of Thoth, which no one's ever actually read,

00:37:13.740 there's just secondhand information about them.

00:37:15.700 We don't have them on display or something like that in a museum anywhere.

00:37:19.120 Or, you know, the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Sumerian texts,

00:37:22.720 the fact that they predate, you know, the life of Jesus Christ,

00:37:29.280 this makes them the correct source of information.

00:37:31.800 What do you say to that idea?

00:37:33.220 One word, resurrection.

00:37:36.900 1 Corinthians 15, Paul tells the church at Corinth exactly why they need to believe

00:37:41.400 in the physical resurrection of Jesus.

00:37:44.000 And it is that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.

00:37:48.700 1 Corinthians 15, beginning at verse 5,

00:37:51.300 And that he appeared to Cephas, Peter, then to the twelve.

00:37:54.860 Then he appeared to more than 500 brothers at one time,

00:37:58.360 most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.

00:38:02.380 Now, why would he write this?

00:38:03.840 Twenty years after the resurrection, most of the witnesses are still alive.

00:38:08.420 1 Corinthians 15 is all about the importance, the critical importance,

00:38:12.180 of believing in the literal, physical resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth.

00:38:16.480 He goes on to say,

00:38:17.140 If Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say there is no resurrection?

00:38:20.600 But if there's no resurrection, then you're still in your sins.

00:38:23.360 And we of all people are most to be pitied.

00:38:25.900 But he says,

00:38:27.140 You can trust that this is true information.

00:38:29.680 If you don't believe me, send someone to Jerusalem and ask around, 1.00

00:38:33.700 because there were hundreds of witnesses.

00:38:35.240 Most of them are still alive.

00:38:37.560 Okay, this is what, this was key to me.

00:38:40.540 It says, I wanted to see the evidence.

00:38:42.340 Sharon, she believed from a very early age.

00:38:45.140 She just knew in her spirit, knew in her heart that it was true.

00:38:47.880 I had to, in my mid-30s, I had to go through this process, see the chain of evidence.

00:38:53.700 And when Peter, when Paul wrote,

00:38:56.220 Look, there are witnesses, hundreds of them.

00:38:58.960 And that Paul, in the book of Galatians, said that after his Damascus Road experience,

00:39:04.640 he spent three years in Damascus learning from the brothers there.

00:39:07.260 Then he went to Arabia, which I think actually was Petra, but whatever.

00:39:11.840 Then he went to Jerusalem, and he spent 15 days with Peter and with James.

00:39:16.460 Now, James is the half-brother of Jesus.

00:39:19.420 And I believe it's because Paul needed to go and find out from the source,

00:39:24.060 Did these things really happen?

00:39:25.560 These things that I've been hearing about in Damascus for the last three years,

00:39:28.480 Did this really happen the way they said?

00:39:32.980 And the fact that James was martyred, this was another key for me in accepting all of this as true. 0.98

00:39:40.380 James was martyred in the early 60s, I think 62, 63 A.D.

00:39:46.240 I forget the year exactly, but it was where there was like a gap between the Roman governor of Judea.

00:39:53.740 One died, and before the next one could come, the Sanhedrin had James put to death,

00:39:59.320 because the Romans did not allow their subject populations to carry out death sentences.

00:40:03.680 So the fact that James, who was in a position to know if all of this was fake,

00:40:07.060 was willing to die rather than recant his testimony, to me was, wow, okay, that means Jesus really did live.

00:40:16.620 And Paul writing this about the witnesses, that means there were witnesses to the resurrection.

00:40:21.180 Okay, he really did come back from the dead, and Jesus validated the accounts in the Old Testament,

00:40:27.800 so that stuff must be true as well.

00:40:31.700 Okay, for me, that was what, you know, the light switch that flipped.

00:40:36.360 And again, this was in my mid-30s, so, you know, 25, 27 years ago when this happened.

00:40:42.420 That, for me, was the confirmation.

00:40:45.080 And the fact that you've got archaeology now that is finding things that are confirming the biblical narrative.

00:40:49.520 There's not yet been an archaeological discovery that has contradicted the biblical narrative.

00:40:55.820 Right.

00:40:56.360 You can say that the older texts—

00:40:57.960 I'm sorry, go ahead.

00:40:59.640 Yeah, Dead Sea Scrolls, but the curse tablet from Mount Ibal, the site of Joshua's altar.

00:41:04.160 Lesser-known things like the Lachish milk bowl ostracon, which is like a piece of pottery with writing on it.

00:41:12.060 The wonderful work by Dr. Doug Petrovich on the actual origins of the Hebrew script,

00:41:18.640 which was the first alphabetic script, not Phoenician.

00:41:21.480 It was Hebrew, which he traces back to the 19th century B.C.

00:41:24.800 and the sons of Joseph in Egypt makes a really good case.

00:41:28.880 All of this stuff confirms the biblical narrative.

00:41:32.560 So, yes, the Sumerian, the Akkadian, Babylonian texts are older,

00:41:39.500 but it doesn't necessarily mean they're true.

00:41:41.680 So, and to piggyback off of that, we just went through this recently where they dated the Shroud of Turin to be approximately 2,000 years old.

00:41:52.240 So, it seems that we just keep getting vindication after vindication.

00:41:56.520 But, Top, I don't know if you have any questions because I'm about to pull this into a different direction,

00:42:01.300 and I don't know if you wanted to expand on any of that before I go.

00:42:03.360 No, I'm just glad that we kind of touched on this because Sam Tripoli just had an episode with somebody who is espousing more New Age stuff,

00:42:10.900 and, you know, we are all gods, and Jesus was a Christ.

00:42:15.700 Consciousness, right?

00:42:17.040 Yeah, Christ consciousness.

00:42:18.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:19.180 But it kind of, like, just reinforces my faith in what I believe already because it just looks like more and more of a replication of what Jesus was.

00:42:32.240 Like, yes, these people were trying to be a Christ.

00:42:34.780 They knew of the prophecy, but they couldn't fulfill this one important thing.

00:42:38.460 Like Ed Maber keeps saying, it's like, sure, we have a lot of stuff in common,

00:42:41.820 but if we want to get real specific, we have to talk about what we don't have in common.

00:42:45.680 And that thing is the resurrection and also dying for everybody's sins.

00:42:50.700 All of these other people kind of, you know, from Semiramis and Tammuz to all these other ancient Hindu gods that kind of replicate Mother Mary and Jesus,

00:43:00.740 they all do the same thing, but they are missing one very important detail.

00:43:04.100 So you can write this story as much as you want, which is, it's fascinating, right?

00:43:08.600 The story of the fallen angels and the Nephilim is rewritten all throughout history, throughout every culture, everywhere.

00:43:13.300 But one of them is kind of pointing directly at what this is.

00:43:17.200 The rest of them are obfuscated in mystery and some are worshipped, some are not, some are just, you know, stories.

00:43:23.180 Yeah, which you'd kind of expect if you've got a group of supernatural beings who have rebelled against their creator

00:43:28.420 and are trying to take dominion of this planet away from him by diverting his creations, his children, meaning us.

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00:44:58.160 To believe in something else.

00:45:00.380 They don't really care what we believe as long as it's not the one thing that's true,

00:45:03.640 which again, 1 Corinthians 15, one of the most amazing chapters in Scripture,

00:45:10.080 because it's very simply, here's the gospel by which you're being saved,

00:45:13.960 here's why you should believe it's true,

00:45:15.460 and here's why the physical resurrection is so important,

00:45:19.020 because Jesus is the template, the first fruits, if you will, of what's going to happen to all of us.

00:45:24.180 I will tell you a mystery.

00:45:25.560 We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.

00:45:27.600 I want to bring things in a different direction, a little bit about what we were talking about before the show started.

00:45:37.080 This idea, as we talked about at the top, is causing some tension within the Christian community, right?

00:45:46.240 And it's integral, I believe, to our understanding of spiritual warfare and things of that nature,

00:45:54.920 to understand that these entities that you might encounter and consider them demons or what have you,

00:46:03.240 that these are actually the disembodied spirits of the offspring of the fallen angels,

00:46:07.880 that many of the pantheons that we've seen throughout time are actually the fallen themselves.

00:46:14.400 Without that knowledge, it becomes very difficult to understand what we're seeing today in modern times

00:46:23.680 when you have the events like what we saw unfold with Epstein's Island

00:46:30.440 or when it comes to the contents, which we talk about quite often on this show,

00:46:35.720 of the laptop that was recovered and the dialogue between the Podestas and Hillary Clinton,

00:46:41.820 the inquisiting as far as the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh or the location of the buried Nephilim.

00:46:51.100 When you hear things like Moloch and Baal, as a society, 2024, in the West, we have a very hard time placing these things.

00:47:01.980 We don't even know what they mean.

00:47:03.080 And I think that it's very significant that this information is coming back to the forefront of Christianity.

00:47:10.980 I think it's also very telling that there's some pushback right now because this is something that they say

00:47:18.800 the greatest lie the devil ever pulled was convincing you that he doesn't exist.

00:47:22.340 If you don't believe that these things exist, then you don't have the ability to push back against them.

00:47:27.980 And so when you hear names like Moloch and Baal, these echoes of Canaanite deities,

00:47:35.860 and you see them at play in today's modern world, how would you start to explain this to people?

00:47:44.140 How do you want to ravel that?

00:47:45.520 Yes, yeah.

00:47:47.160 Well, I would point people to, first of all, if they want a book to read,

00:47:51.880 Jonathan Cahn's Return of the Gods is a good introductory level explanation of what this is all about.

00:47:59.080 He focuses on just three entities there, which is Baal, Satan.

00:48:03.960 Jesus identified Satan.

00:48:05.180 That was the Matthew 12 verse that I was thinking of, Matthew 12 beginning at verse 22.

00:48:09.620 Jesus accused of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebul, Baal the prince.

00:48:16.160 And Jesus replies by saying, if Satan cast out demons by his own power, how will Satan's kingdom stand?

00:48:23.040 Then he talks about the scarlet woman, which is Anana, Ishtar, Astarte, Aphrodite, or Venus in the Greco-Roman pantheon.

00:48:33.220 Sharon and I have argued for several years now that we think she is the woman who rides the beast in Revelation 17, 18.

00:48:39.660 She is a very ancient entity and really the first gender-fluid entity on earth as far as we know. 0.98

00:48:46.240 There are ancient Sumerian hymns that have been preserved to this day that praise her for being able to change men into women and women into men.

00:48:53.840 Her temple servants were often castrato, shall we say.

00:49:00.040 So this is a very ancient practice.

00:49:03.300 I was a little surprised when I started digging into this.

00:49:05.380 But really, what we're told today is progressive thinking is actually regressive, turning the clock back 5,000 years.

00:49:12.900 I mean, this stuff was old when Moses came down Mount Sinai with the law.

00:49:17.880 And then the third being Molech, who in my book, Second Coming of Saturn, I identify Molech as Milcom. 0.99

00:49:24.360 I mean, that's easy.

00:49:25.020 That's a biblical connection.

00:49:26.040 The prophets and the chroniclers in the Old Testament connected Milcom of the Ammonites to Molech, who Moses was warned as far back in the 15th century B.C.

00:49:37.960 Don't sacrifice your children in Molech.

00:49:40.540 Well, when you start pulling on those threads and looking at what the academics have written about it, this entity, you start finding that,

00:49:47.780 Okay, this entity was apparently known by the Akkadians as Malik in ancient Ebla and in Ugarit.

00:49:57.020 And, oh, wait a minute.

00:49:58.460 Milcom is just the Ammonite way of saying king, like Melech in Hebrew.

00:50:03.520 But because there's no vowels in these languages, it could be Melech, it could be Malek, Malak, which is a messenger angel,

00:50:11.300 or it could be Molech, which is the Hebrew way of changing the vowel sounds to turn a name into a pejorative,

00:50:17.980 as Baal was turned into Bosheth, meaning shameful thing, or Asherah becomes Ashtoreth.

00:50:24.520 So Molech was simply Milcom by a different name.

00:50:28.980 But Milcom, king, was just what the Ammonites called the Canaanite creator god El.

00:50:34.680 And from there we get all these connections from the classical world.

00:50:37.800 The historians of the Greeks and the Romans and the Phoenicians knew that El was just Kronos and Saturn and Baal-Haman by a different name.

00:50:46.440 And we also know that he was Dagon of the Amorites, Enlil of the Akkadians and Babylonians. 0.93

00:50:52.800 So wait a minute, suddenly Molech is these things, and he's the one who was sent to the netherworld.

00:50:59.520 Because again, in Second Coming of Saturn, I explain why I believe he was the leader of that rebellion in Genesis chapter 6, Shemyaza.

00:51:06.440 And he's then as the king of those in the bottomless pit.

00:51:10.140 And we know there are angels in the bottomless pit, according to Peter, 2 Peter 2, verse 4.

00:51:14.740 Like the king of the Titans, Kronos, or Saturn, this entity, Shemyaza, will come out as the destroyer, Abaddon, Apollyon. 0.99

00:51:22.800 In Revelation chapter 9.

00:51:24.360 So you've got those three appear to be the unholy trinity, if you were.

00:51:28.720 The destroyer, Molech, the storm god, the king of the pantheon, Satan, Baal, who was known as Zeus to the Greeks, Jupiter to the Romans, Thor to the...

00:51:41.800 Which is really disappointing, because I think his movies are hilarious.

00:51:44.280 Well, actually, I don't want to cut you off, but...

00:51:47.840 That's who he is.

00:51:49.100 And again, you've got this fallen woman, Ishtar Inanna Astarte Aphrodite, as the woman who rides the beast.

00:51:54.280 As you were saying, El, referring to Moloch, I started thinking about Superman, and I started thinking about...

00:52:00.400 Yeah, Kal-El, Jor-El, yeah, right.

00:52:02.960 Yeah, all of the superheroes now that are deified in Marvel movies.

00:52:07.600 So they're represented in this generation, right at the forefront, but on TV.

00:52:12.100 Absolutely.

00:52:12.700 Two children.

00:52:13.560 And explicitly in The Eternals, which was not one of the bigger MCU movies, but yeah, absolutely.

00:52:20.480 Thor is depicted as a god, and you get all kinds of other entities.

00:52:26.560 I mean, Thanos, the Mad Titan, it's basically derived from Thanatos, which is the Greek word meaning death,

00:52:32.980 but Thanatos is the rider on the pale horse in Revelation 6.

00:52:36.840 That's fascinating, because Thanos in the comic series actually has a relationship with death.

00:52:42.340 Death is depicted as a female character, and they have a love interest going on.

00:52:48.980 So this is something that is highly obscure within the conspiracy community.

00:52:56.760 We all see these elements of what you would call Saturnian worship, right?

00:53:02.580 And so this is best represented by images or symbols like the black cube,

00:53:09.420 which people say if you take this black cube, you stand it on its end, or corner rather,

00:53:15.600 and you look down on it, it creates the hexagonal shape that would be the same shape

00:53:20.120 as this perpetual storm on the north pole of the actual celestial body, Saturn.

00:53:27.560 And it seems to have elements embedded in a lot of different religions.

00:53:36.240 But whenever you try to get a grasp on what it all means, it becomes very hidden and obscured

00:53:43.400 within symbolism and things.

00:53:44.580 It's very difficult for people to understand.

00:53:46.420 Do you think you could explain that a little bit to us?

00:53:49.540 This connection between the actual celestial body of Saturn, this connection of Saturn to Kronos,

00:53:56.920 Kronos being this Titan, well, really it was Kronos and Gaia, I believe, who birthed all

00:54:05.100 of the Greek pantheon.

00:54:06.840 Oranus and Gaia.

00:54:08.680 So there is a connection, though, between Kronos and time, right?

00:54:14.720 There's also a connection between, is it, well, why don't you walk us through this so I don't

00:54:20.100 muddy the waters too much?

00:54:20.480 Yeah, not really.

00:54:21.240 Again, it's what you call a homonym, you know, words that sound the same, but they don't mean

00:54:25.320 the same.

00:54:25.720 Kronos, meaning time.

00:54:29.040 Scholar named Dr. Nicholas Wyatt, University of Edinburgh, points out that the name Kronos

00:54:35.500 probably derives from a Semitic root, which, again, makes sense because the Greeks got

00:54:39.800 their religion from Israel, from the region around Israel, from the Amorites, the Canaanites.

00:54:46.640 There were Greeks in contact with the land of Canaan centuries before Moses and Joshua

00:54:54.500 entered the land.

00:54:55.100 They were the Hivites, H-I-V-I-T-E, of the Bible. 1.00

00:54:58.400 That is a Hebrew or Hebraization of a name that was applied to people who lived in the

00:55:07.560 south coast of what is now Turkey, the Ahiyawa, the Ahiyawa that became Hivite in the Bible.

00:55:14.160 But the Ahiyawa was a Luvian term.

00:55:17.700 Luvian was an Anatolian language related to Hittite, I believe, for the Mycenaean Greeks.

00:55:24.220 So, the Hivites were in and around the land of Canaan and the people who came in in the

00:55:32.060 14th century B.C., Joshua and the Israelites, for centuries.

00:55:36.720 So, it's not a surprise that they were in contact with the Amorites and the Canaanites

00:55:41.000 and that these religious ideas were shared from Mesopotamia to Greece and then later to

00:55:46.660 Rome.

00:55:52.720 And, of course, because I started down that explanation, I forgot what the original question

00:55:56.060 was.

00:55:57.020 Well, I was trying to unpack.

00:56:00.240 It's really a big question, right?

00:56:01.640 It's how do we unpack this idea of, you know, even the biblical verses when it comes to describing

00:56:07.780 the star of Rempham, right?

00:56:10.100 Gotcha.

00:56:10.620 Okay, worship, Saturnian worship.

00:56:12.360 Yeah.

00:56:12.680 Yes.

00:56:13.060 And that's the reason I wrote the second coming of Saturn, because it seemed to me that this

00:56:17.260 entity, Shem Yaza, if he was so important that he and his colleagues were sent to the

00:56:22.120 abyss, the bottomless pit, while Satan is still roaming around, like, wait a minute,

00:56:26.700 I thought Satan was the most dangerous spiritual enemy of God, but these others are in chains

00:56:31.540 in gloomy darkness.

00:56:32.420 They don't get out until Revelation 9.

00:56:34.160 If they're locked up while Satan's roaming around, are they even more dangerous?

00:56:37.040 And I think the answer to that question is, yeah.

00:56:42.120 So this entity is still influencing the world to this day.

00:56:46.500 I mean, the number one cause of death on planet Earth for the last four or five years, for

00:56:50.480 which I've checked data, is abortion, the sacrifice of children. 0.52

00:56:54.820 And this was going on.

00:56:55.940 This is an ancient practice among the Amorites.

00:56:57.860 It was not uncommon for them to sacrifice children.

00:57:01.180 They built a new building.

00:57:03.500 They call it a foundation sacrifice.

00:57:05.500 There's a kind of a reference to it in the book of Joshua, where the gates of Jericho were

00:57:09.860 rebuilt at the cost of the sons of the builder.

00:57:13.400 I think that's a...

00:57:14.560 But we know from Egyptian inscriptions that the Canaanites, there are a couple that show

00:57:19.720 an Egyptian attack on the Canaanite city of Ashkelon.

00:57:24.040 And this is somewhere around 1400, 1300 BC, somewhere in there.

00:57:29.720 But it's clear that the Canaanite defenders on the walls are sacrificing their children.

00:57:34.240 We see this in the story of Jehoshaphat and the king of Moab, Misha, who sacrifices his

00:57:38.820 son on the walls of his city during the battle.

00:57:41.980 So this was a common thing in the ancient world.

00:57:44.660 And the classical historians during the Greco-Roman period noted that the Phoenicians, who were just 0.72

00:57:50.920 descendants of the Amorites and the Canaanites, were well known for this.

00:57:56.460 One of the early church fathers wrote that, hey, look, you know, Kronos, according to the

00:58:00.900 story, she was the youngest of the children of Oranos and Gaia.

00:58:05.280 And he castrated his father, Oranos, to become king of the Pantheon.

00:58:12.900 But then it was prophesied that because you've done this, you're going to be overthrown by your

00:58:16.540 children.

00:58:16.960 So he swallowed all of his children as they were born.

00:58:20.800 And when child number seven came along, Rhea, Kronos' wife, finally, I think, detected a 0.80

00:58:26.740 pattern at last and slipped him a stone instead of Zeus.

00:58:30.720 And Zeus was raised in secret on the island of Crete.

00:58:33.320 When he became an adult, he tricked Kronos into eating something that made him vomit up

00:58:38.260 the other kids.

00:58:38.820 And then a war began between the Olympians and the Titans.

00:58:43.380 So, but even with this, Kronos, because he was known for eating his own children, well

00:58:48.700 known in the ancient world for demanding the sacrifice of his followers' children.

00:58:53.180 There was an epithet discovered of Kronos by archaeologists here within the last, I don't

00:58:58.900 know, a few decades.

00:58:59.720 But it's Kronos Technophagos, which is Kronos, child eater.

00:59:03.180 Remember, Baal Haman of the Phoenicians, they found the Tophets at Carthage with a couple 0.99

00:59:07.540 thousand infants between the ages of like six months and 18 months, and they did not

00:59:12.480 die of natural causes.

00:59:13.760 We visited the Tophet at the Phoenician site of Tauros on the island of Sardinia.

00:59:19.780 It was a well-known practice in the Mediterranean world.

00:59:22.340 The Phoenicians were infamous for sacrificing their children to this entity, Baal Haman, Kronos, 0.95

00:59:28.360 Saturn, Molech.

00:59:29.540 Like, this is a very ancient practice, and to this day, he is still influencing the world

00:59:33.820 and influencing this idea that children are just expendable.

00:59:37.660 It's just we now do it in a clinical setting, and we call it a procedure instead of a sacrifice.

00:59:42.920 This is what happens when you've been stripped of your spiritual understanding, which we keep

00:59:46.520 bringing it up.

00:59:47.440 Recently, Tucker Carlson was on somebody's show talking about how he thinks that, and say

00:59:52.460 what you will about Tucker Carlson, but I do agree with these sentiments that in the

00:59:55.280 West we've been stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm, and that seems to be

00:59:58.780 by design.

00:59:59.620 And it's incredible that what we've done is, I like the way that you put it, it's like

01:00:03.860 we're still engaging in child sacrifice.

01:00:06.380 We're just doing it in a clinical setting.

01:00:08.500 It's a nuts and bolts logistical event instead of a spiritual one, but it's not.

01:00:13.380 It's still inherently spiritual.

01:00:14.760 And besides the fact that, and this is something that Toph brings up on the show constantly,

01:00:18.520 and I agree with him, it's like we are engaging in mass ritual sacrifice of children here in

01:00:25.700 the West, but...

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01:00:58.340 The underlying thing that goes, or sort of the backdrop to that, is that it's still happening

01:01:02.820 as well in this sort of human trafficking aspect, going back to what I mentioned earlier about

01:01:07.680 the Epstein's Island, which, you know, Epstein on his island had a temple.

01:01:13.220 There was sort of a Greek theme.

01:01:16.760 There are videos that emerged on the internet of children in sort of a spa scenario wearing

01:01:21.920 togas inside the temple.

01:01:25.220 It was very much, you know, Greek architecture.

01:01:28.360 And there was even the presence of a golden statue of an owl of Minerva.

01:01:35.760 And so these things are still happening.

01:01:38.840 They're still the backdrop.

01:01:40.260 In fact, when people turn their nose up to this concept, but it's still very clear that

01:01:50.220 if you look at the elites of the world, they are engaging in the idolatry of these entities.

01:01:57.880 Their names pop up constantly.

01:01:59.240 Their imagery, their icons are everywhere.

01:02:03.640 People kind of go, oh, well, they're just, it's almost like it's a LARP, right?

01:02:08.040 It's something that they are pretending to do.

01:02:10.580 It's theater.

01:02:11.240 Or it's just old tradition.

01:02:14.900 But it's like, no, this is still what runs the world in many ways.

01:02:19.860 That expression from Ecclesiastes, there's nothing new under the sun.

01:02:24.500 It's very much that.

01:02:26.000 That's the sentiment that I, it gets driven home every day.

01:02:28.720 Yeah, and the children who aren't, you know, terminated before they see the light of day.

01:02:33.460 And sadly, in some, among some population groups here in the United States, the chance

01:02:39.160 of a child being born alive rather than being terminated is, is less than 50-50, which is

01:02:44.460 really sad.

01:02:45.640 And then those who are brought into the world then are offered up to Inanna, Ishtar, and 0.88

01:02:51.380 told to transition.

01:02:52.840 Oh, you feel like a girl today?

01:02:54.000 Okay, you can be a girl.

01:02:54.820 So it's, it is really returning to the, the, the veneration and the practices, even if

01:03:00.140 the people don't recognize it, of these old deities, their influence is still being felt.

01:03:04.840 So who are the three major players here?

01:03:07.540 You're saying Shem Yaza?

01:03:10.760 Shem Yaza, in other words, Molech or Abaddon, Apollyon, the destroyer. 0.99

01:03:16.500 And in the second coming of Saturn, I go through the steps and show why I reached that conclusion.

01:03:21.040 Saturn, or Saturn, Solomon.

01:03:22.380 Solomon, in the 10th century BC, put a high place to Molech on the Mount of Olives, which

01:03:28.480 is just across the Kidron Valley from the Temple Mount.

01:03:30.880 It's 200 feet higher, so it looks down onto the Temple Mount.

01:03:33.840 If you've ever been to Jerusalem, it's a great overlook.

01:03:36.380 You look down from the Mount of Olives, you see the Temple Mount, the Dome of the Rock,

01:03:39.560 the Al-Aqsa Mosque, all that.

01:03:40.980 In the day, that would have been Solomon's Temple.

01:03:44.140 And he put a high place to Molech on top of the Mount of Olives. 1.00

01:03:48.320 And according to 2 Kings, and I don't have the verse in front of me here, but in 2 Kings,

01:03:53.080 it said, this is why it's referred to as the Mount of Corruption.

01:03:57.600 And that's the English translation.

01:03:59.800 But the Hebrew is Har Ha Moshkith.

01:04:01.860 And Ha is the definite article, the.

01:04:04.560 So it's not Mount of the Corruption.

01:04:07.500 It's just the English translators didn't know what to make of it.

01:04:09.760 But Moshkith, elsewhere in the scriptures, is translated as destroyer.

01:04:14.820 So it's Mount of the Destroyer.

01:04:17.800 And, of course, the destroyer, Abaddon, is what comes out of the abyss in Revelation 6.

01:04:23.540 Abaddon, Apollyon, Revelation 9, rather.

01:04:26.380 So, again, the evidence fits together.

01:04:30.520 It's not a theological hill I'll necessarily die on,

01:04:33.120 but I think you've got this entity who was considered so dangerous, led a rebellion that was considered so dangerous

01:04:38.680 that God had him locked up in the abyss, according to Peter and Jude, until the judgment.

01:04:45.480 Why would he do that?

01:04:46.540 Why would this entity then be considered so dangerous that when he comes out, he's literally called the destroyer?

01:04:52.820 Well, who is the destroyer?

01:04:54.560 The suggestion that the Mount of Olives was called Mount of the Destroyer.

01:04:57.920 And I confirmed this with Hebrew speakers.

01:04:59.600 Our friend Rabbi Zev Porat said, yeah, that's a good translation for that.

01:05:03.800 In fact, probably better than Mount of Corruption for the Mount of Olives.

01:05:08.380 You know, connected to the high place, to Molech. 1.00

01:05:11.360 Looking down on the temple after Solomon built it.

01:05:16.360 I mean, God himself appeared to Solomon after he built the temple.

01:05:19.200 You'd think he would have known better.

01:05:21.740 But what's interesting is when you look at the life of Jesus, the last week of his life,

01:05:25.220 he spent dividing his time between teaching in the temple and preaching on the Mount of Olives.

01:05:32.200 In fact, the Olivet Discourse, Matthew 24, where he gave his longest discourse on what would happen in the end times.

01:05:40.360 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 0.95

01:05:43.620 That was on the Mount of Olives.

01:05:44.880 It's like he was right there on a mountain that Solomon had, knowingly or unknowingly,

01:05:50.080 dedicated to this dark god, Molech, Shemyazah, the destroyer. 1.00

01:05:55.320 Jesus is saying, here's what's going to happen in the last days.

01:05:58.900 And guess what?

01:05:59.660 You're still dead.

01:06:02.300 So this brings us to the mystery, right?

01:06:05.640 And maybe for you it's not a mystery, but certainly for the general public,

01:06:08.900 this is something that's been a point of conversation lately.

01:06:12.560 But when it comes to this idea of taking up the tabernacle of Molech and then the star of your god Remphan, right? 0.88

01:06:22.860 And we're talking about, it seems we're talking about the star of David or more, maybe more accurately, the seal of Solomon.

01:06:30.800 Yeah, let me address that because I've had people ask about that.

01:06:35.280 Because it's very confusing, right?

01:06:36.580 It's a very important line, and it raises a lot of speculation.

01:06:42.840 Yeah, it's a reference back to the book of Amos and a reference to Succoth, which was a minor Babylonian deity,

01:06:50.740 and another one called Kayamanu, which was represented by the planet Saturn in the Pantheon, or in the night sky.

01:06:57.780 Anyway, but so when Stephen was making mention of this, the Tent of Molech, which is possibly a reference to Succoth, Succoth, the booth, the tabernacle,

01:07:08.160 it has been interpreted by some as evidence that the six-pointed star of David is the star of Remphan.

01:07:18.660 Now, I need to emphasize this point.

01:07:22.020 There is absolutely no representation of the star of Remphan anywhere in the ancient world.

01:07:29.860 Archaeologists have not found a single depiction of this.

01:07:33.900 Every depiction of this that you've seen on the Internet of the so-called star of Remphan is Internet-level research.

01:07:39.960 Somebody finding the star of David and saying, look, there's the star of Remphan.

01:07:43.080 No, no, that's not it.

01:07:44.980 Nobody knows what the star of Remphan looks like because they've never found one.

01:07:49.480 We don't even know if it was even depicted anywhere.

01:07:52.700 This was a minor deity.

01:07:54.100 It's mentioned one time in the Bible, and this has been blown up by people who are looking for reasons to dismiss the state of Israel

01:08:02.640 as a Luciferian plot by the Rothschilds, the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Vatican, whatever.

01:08:09.400 And this is proof that they're Luciferian because they're carrying this star of Remphan on their flag.

01:08:15.900 I'm sorry.

01:08:16.800 Nobody knows what the star of Remphan looked like, so you cannot definitively connect the star of David to the star of Remphan

01:08:23.180 because we don't know if the star of Remphan had four stars, four points, eight points, five points, six.

01:08:27.400 We don't know because no one has ever seen one.

01:08:31.200 Anyone who says differently doesn't know what he's talking about.

01:08:34.240 So one of the things that people would use to bolster that sentiment is the idea that the center of the star of David

01:08:41.660 or the seal of Solomon is the same shape that you would find on the North Pole of Saturn.

01:08:46.780 What is that?

01:08:47.360 What do you think that that, I mean, is that grasping at straws in your opinion?

01:08:51.940 When is the first time we were actually able to see the North Pole of the planet Saturn?

01:08:57.320 How long has that shape been there?

01:08:59.640 Was that shape there?

01:09:00.680 Did we know that that storm existed there when the star of Remphan was mentioned by the prophet Amos in, what, the 8th century B.C.?

01:09:08.680 And how would he have seen it?

01:09:10.600 I mean, it's the North Pole.

01:09:11.500 It's not visible to the naked eye, first of all.

01:09:13.720 It's not visible from Earth even with telescopes.

01:09:15.760 You've got to fly a probe up there and point a camera down at the pole on Saturn.

01:09:23.400 Now, people might say, well, yeah, but it was supernaturally inspired.

01:09:27.180 Like, okay, fine.

01:09:28.760 So you're saying the lack of evidence is proof of the conspiracy.

01:09:32.000 No, I think it's looking for reasons to dismiss the restoration of Israel as a nation in 1948 as the fulfillment of prophecy.

01:09:42.400 And I'm sorry.

01:09:43.140 I think the fulfillment of prophecy, the promises made to the Hebrew prophets like Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah,

01:09:50.700 and others in the Old Testament that Israel would someday be gathered from the nations and brought back to the land was fulfilled in 1948.

01:09:58.020 Now, there were some hidden things that took place to make this happen, but contrary to the conspiracy theories,

01:10:06.200 the things that were hidden are not the hidden work of those trying to make Israel into a reality.

01:10:12.300 Contrary to popular belief, the Rothschilds had very little to do with it.

01:10:16.840 One Rothschild, Edmund de Rothschild of France, contributed some money to help finance a couple of early settlements in the land.

01:10:25.080 But most of the other Rothschilds didn't.

01:10:28.120 I mean, look, we're rich.

01:10:29.400 We're living comfortably here in Germany and Austria and England and France.

01:10:32.580 Why do we want to move there?

01:10:34.000 As far as I can tell, none of the Rothschilds have ever moved there.

01:10:36.840 And, you know, a couple of them have names here and there.

01:10:40.720 They've contributed some money after Israel became a nation state.

01:10:44.860 Like one of the Rothschilds helped finance the construction of the Knesset building,

01:10:49.440 and another one helped finance the construction of the Supreme Court building.

01:10:53.880 But this was decades after Israel became a reality.

01:10:56.820 So I think there are people looking for reasons to dismiss the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.

01:11:02.900 I won't speculate as to their reasons for it.

01:11:05.280 But, again, pointing to the star of Remphan and saying this is proof that the star of David is an evil Luciferian symbol.

01:11:13.240 I'm sorry, there's no evidence there because nobody has ever seen legitimately the star of Remphan.

01:11:18.760 We don't even know if it was ever depicted anywhere.

01:11:22.500 Now, should we just automatically say that everything the government of Israel does is good?

01:11:29.280 No.

01:11:30.300 There are acts of violence that have been committed by radical settlers in Judea and Samaria against Arab settlements there,

01:11:38.580 and that is absolutely wrong, should be condemned.

01:11:40.620 And, in fact, the government of Israel does prosecute those people who do those things.

01:11:44.080 But when you look on balance at the 1,400-year history of Islam,

01:11:49.800 if you're going to point the finger at Israel as the bad guy in what's been happening in the Middle East since 1948,

01:11:54.940 I'm sorry, you need to recalibrate your moral compass.

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01:13:26.120 Is it fair to call the Star of David the Seal of Solomon?

01:13:31.900 We are planning soon on doing a deep dive on King Solomon,

01:13:36.460 but this notion pops up,

01:13:38.680 and we've just not done an episode to do the research yet.

01:13:43.040 But what do you think of that notion?

01:13:45.760 Well, it's a name that was applied to it

01:13:47.380 because it's kind of a catchy name.

01:13:48.580 David and Solomon are two of the best-known historical figures

01:13:51.100 in Israel's history, in Jewish history.

01:13:54.080 So calling it the Seal of Solomon is a catchy name for it. 1.00

01:13:57.220 But again, until very recently,

01:14:00.520 archaeologists were saying,

01:14:01.660 we've not seen any archaeological evidence in Israel

01:14:04.260 for the existence of the Davidic kingdom.

01:14:07.360 We don't know for sure there was even an Israel

01:14:10.200 or a Judahite kingdom until, say, the 8th century B.C.

01:14:16.400 So if that's the case, archaeologists,

01:14:19.160 then how can we say that we know

01:14:20.380 that the Seal of Solomon looks like this?

01:14:23.360 Now, there have been recent archaeological discoveries.

01:14:26.680 A site between Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip

01:14:30.020 called Kerbet-Kaieffa,

01:14:32.020 which is, I'm probably mispronouncing it,

01:14:35.580 but it was certainly a Judahite outpost,

01:14:39.720 or Israelite outpost, in the 10th century B.C.,

01:14:43.440 indicating that there was a central government,

01:14:45.800 probably based in Jerusalem,

01:14:47.080 at the time of King David.

01:14:49.300 And there have been references to the house of David

01:14:51.420 found at the Tel Dan inscription,

01:14:53.560 also on the Moabite stone from King Misha

01:14:55.560 a couple centuries after David.

01:14:57.520 So the idea that there's no archaeological evidence

01:15:00.920 of David anymore is, that's just not supportable.

01:15:04.700 But if there's ever been anyone

01:15:06.980 who's found a six-pointed star

01:15:09.380 dated to the time of Solomon,

01:15:11.300 I have yet to see that evidence.

01:15:12.860 It just doesn't exist.

01:15:15.860 I wanted to kind of bring us back earlier.

01:15:19.060 We're talking about Babel 1.00

01:15:20.120 and this idea of what it actually meant,

01:15:24.040 the terminology being used for it,

01:15:26.500 both meaning a high place.

01:15:28.280 But what was the other expression,

01:15:30.820 Derek, that we used?

01:15:32.260 It was a, not a gateway.

01:15:34.060 Was it a gateway?

01:15:35.060 A gateway, portal.

01:15:36.380 I mean, Bab-Elu, which is the Akkadian words

01:15:39.060 that were taken into Hebrew as Bab-El,

01:15:42.100 literally means gate of God or gate of gods.

01:15:45.260 So it was intended, apparently,

01:15:47.600 as a way to reestablish communication

01:15:50.260 with the gods who were no longer able to communicate

01:15:54.340 because they'd been thrust down to the netherworld.

01:15:56.020 So then it is not too far-fetched

01:15:59.500 when people theorize that Babel

01:16:01.580 was actually what many people have taken

01:16:03.980 to mean or at least overlap

01:16:07.620 with the notion of Stargates.

01:16:09.420 This seems to be something that was popular

01:16:11.100 within the sort of ancient aliens community

01:16:15.100 or forgotten history, forgotten technology,

01:16:18.360 obfuscated history.

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01:16:51.180 Top alluded to it before,

01:16:52.760 we're now kind of in the throes of that again.

01:16:55.740 Modern-day man is,

01:16:58.380 we have our own lore

01:16:59.520 when it comes to the idea of CERN

01:17:01.600 and whether or not they're opening portals.

01:17:03.700 And maybe that's a little bit sci-fi,

01:17:06.400 but then again,

01:17:07.140 it does seem that,

01:17:08.180 going back to that expression,

01:17:09.340 there's nothing new under the sun,

01:17:10.580 maybe there was a time

01:17:12.760 where Stargates

01:17:14.560 or something that

01:17:16.180 made a gateway

01:17:18.800 from one realm to another realm,

01:17:21.220 potentially where these

01:17:22.180 Fallen are being kept.

01:17:24.840 Do you think that there's room for that?

01:17:26.680 Do you think that that's something that,

01:17:28.280 you know, maybe,

01:17:30.140 and this is obviously open for just speculation,

01:17:32.560 I'm not asking you to bring nuts and bolts

01:17:33.900 and proof,

01:17:35.600 but when you see things like CERN

01:17:37.720 and they even will joke,

01:17:40.000 I believe it was on their website at one point,

01:17:42.480 it's tongue-in-cheek,

01:17:43.920 but this idea that,

01:17:44.780 yes, what we're trying to do

01:17:45.620 is we're trying to open a portal.

01:17:48.020 When you hear that,

01:17:49.160 does it echo those old sentiments?

01:17:51.980 Well, yeah,

01:17:52.380 in fact,

01:17:52.700 that's the whole reason for a book,

01:17:54.060 The Gates of Hell,

01:17:54.660 which is just out now,

01:17:58.060 we look at ancient practices like Babel,

01:18:03.220 but we go further back to the Abhi,

01:18:06.280 A-B-I of the Hurrians, 0.99

01:18:08.100 again, the Hurrians being an even older culture 0.99

01:18:10.160 or at least one that was concurrent

01:18:12.180 with the Sumerians.

01:18:13.680 Scholars are beginning to realize

01:18:15.140 that civilization didn't really begin

01:18:17.460 in southeastern Iraq

01:18:18.620 and spread northward.

01:18:19.720 There were cities that were developing

01:18:21.480 in northern Mesopotamia

01:18:23.040 at the same time as the cities

01:18:24.860 in southern Mesopotamia,

01:18:26.220 which from a biblical perspective

01:18:27.600 makes sense.

01:18:28.260 Like, yeah, duh,

01:18:29.100 they came off the Ark

01:18:29.900 in what is now Armenia

01:18:31.180 and made their way southward.

01:18:33.580 So, and in fact,

01:18:34.520 the Hurrians,

01:18:35.840 because they had a very unique style of pottery,

01:18:38.540 they've actually been traced back

01:18:39.900 to the Ararat plain.

01:18:41.860 In other words,

01:18:42.380 the lowlands below,

01:18:43.220 the mountains of Ararat

01:18:44.060 where the Ark came to rest.

01:18:45.480 And they apparently brought this practice

01:18:47.400 of trying to summon deities,

01:18:49.280 spirits from the netherworld

01:18:50.440 with them to Canaan

01:18:53.100 because when Saul wanted

01:18:54.540 to contact the prophet Samuel,

01:18:56.800 he went looking for,

01:18:58.400 the Bible translate the word as medium,

01:19:00.880 but the Hebrew word ov,

01:19:02.680 which derives from the Hurrian word abi,

01:19:06.260 actually means owner of a ritual pit.

01:19:09.720 And you remember the story

01:19:10.600 where Saul goes to the medium,

01:19:14.600 the spirit of Samuel

01:19:15.740 comes up from the earth

01:19:16.960 because she had a ritual pit,

01:19:19.000 just like the ancient Hurrians 0.99

01:19:20.080 had for thousands of years.

01:19:21.360 So this was a very old practice

01:19:22.700 by the time of Saul and David.

01:19:25.220 This is, yeah,

01:19:27.680 it was an attempt to reconnect

01:19:29.620 with the entities

01:19:31.920 and the same things are going on today.

01:19:33.980 And in the book,

01:19:34.700 The Gates of Hell,

01:19:35.840 we discuss things like

01:19:37.540 the Goddard base tunnel ritual

01:19:39.380 that took place in Switzerland

01:19:41.440 a few years ago.

01:19:42.560 But we also talk about

01:19:44.160 artificial intelligence

01:19:45.540 and the practice of dosing oneself

01:19:49.120 with ayahuasca or DMT

01:19:51.320 because our contention is

01:19:53.640 at the end of the day,

01:19:54.440 even though there were

01:19:55.140 specific physical locations

01:19:56.820 that Jesus pointed to

01:19:59.100 with his choice of location

01:20:01.980 for his baptism,

01:20:04.440 which contrary to popular belief

01:20:07.180 was not near Jericho.

01:20:08.360 It was north of the Sea of Galilee

01:20:10.220 in the region of Bashan,

01:20:12.760 which was known in the ancient world

01:20:14.380 or believed to be

01:20:15.360 in the ancient world,

01:20:16.220 the entrance to the netherworld.

01:20:19.720 These, our belief is that

01:20:21.980 despite the existence

01:20:23.680 of those physical locations

01:20:25.100 and, you know,

01:20:26.040 Jesus going to the grotto of Pan,

01:20:27.920 which was believed to be

01:20:28.860 the literal entrance

01:20:29.660 to the netherworld,

01:20:31.020 in the first century,

01:20:31.880 Josephus said no one

01:20:32.920 had ever lowered a plumb line

01:20:34.000 long enough into that cave

01:20:35.320 to touch bottom.

01:20:36.780 They were convinced

01:20:37.640 this is the entrance to hell.

01:20:38.700 And that's where Jesus went to say,

01:20:39.960 on this rock,

01:20:41.020 this 9,200-foot mountain behind me,

01:20:43.600 where the Watchers descended

01:20:45.440 and created the rebellion,

01:20:46.700 and you Canaanites think

01:20:47.800 this is where El holds court

01:20:49.660 like some sort of Mount Olympus.

01:20:52.240 I'm going to build my church on this.

01:20:54.220 And the gates of hell,

01:20:55.060 which is this really big cave

01:20:56.080 right over here,

01:20:56.560 will not prevail against it.

01:20:58.120 Jesus could have done that anywhere,

01:20:59.760 but he took his guys

01:21:00.880 on a 14-hour hike

01:21:02.400 to get there,

01:21:03.840 specifically to do it

01:21:04.780 at that location.

01:21:05.980 So yeah,

01:21:06.440 there are physical locations

01:21:07.540 that are believed to be

01:21:08.880 points of contact

01:21:10.460 between this world

01:21:11.240 and the next,

01:21:11.740 and we get into that

01:21:12.360 in the book,

01:21:12.940 threshing floors,

01:21:14.440 like where David confronted

01:21:15.600 the destroying angel

01:21:16.580 in Jerusalem,

01:21:17.380 Mount Moriah,

01:21:18.100 which is now where

01:21:18.820 the Dome of the Rock sits.

01:21:20.860 Why a threshing floor?

01:21:22.000 Threshing floors were believed

01:21:23.240 to be where one would contact

01:21:24.640 the spirit realm,

01:21:25.800 just like in some places,

01:21:27.160 in some cultures,

01:21:28.040 the netherworld.

01:21:29.280 But in our modern world,

01:21:31.400 this gate to hell 0.96

01:21:33.320 is your mind, 0.95

01:21:35.320 your heart.

01:21:35.780 It's whatever you invite

01:21:36.660 inside of you,

01:21:37.420 and that's why

01:21:38.000 modern efforts

01:21:39.540 like DMT,

01:21:41.220 ayahuasca,

01:21:41.780 to open the third eye,

01:21:43.460 to use a phrase,

01:21:44.500 a turn of speech,

01:21:45.700 those are gates of hell as well.

01:21:49.100 And I think the reason

01:21:50.040 we're seeing more activity

01:21:51.380 around the world

01:21:52.020 that just doesn't make

01:21:53.120 a lot of logical sense,

01:21:54.920 but seems spiritually driven,

01:21:57.700 is because more people

01:21:58.720 are inviting these entities in

01:22:00.180 and giving them permission

01:22:01.000 to work through themselves.

01:22:02.100 Yes, this is something

01:22:03.960 that we talk about

01:22:04.540 on the show often.

01:22:05.460 It's like,

01:22:05.700 I'm a big fan of

01:22:06.860 and have been for a long time

01:22:08.060 of Joe Rogan's work.

01:22:09.600 There goes our chances

01:22:10.680 of ever getting on Rogan,

01:22:12.000 but keep going.

01:22:12.920 We want to come on the show

01:22:14.100 just to tell you

01:22:14.680 you're doing the wrong thing, Joe.

01:22:16.100 Stop summoning demons, Joe.

01:22:17.620 This idea that you're ushering

01:22:19.600 all these spiritually lost people,

01:22:24.320 right,

01:22:24.500 because we're talking

01:22:25.020 about Westerners

01:22:25.940 and we're talking about

01:22:26.640 how even I agree

01:22:27.880 with Tucker Carlson's sentiments.

01:22:29.160 We are,

01:22:29.680 we have been stripped

01:22:30.320 of our spiritual understanding

01:22:31.480 here in the West.

01:22:32.540 And yet at the same time,

01:22:34.040 one of the biggest shows

01:22:35.000 on Earth

01:22:35.460 is ushering people

01:22:36.460 towards the DMT,

01:22:38.700 the dimethyltryptamine experience,

01:22:40.060 where you will seemingly reliably

01:22:42.100 communicate with entities

01:22:43.740 that usually look the same too.

01:22:46.340 So in other words,

01:22:47.420 you're going to a realm

01:22:48.700 where you will,

01:22:50.140 you're sharing a space

01:22:51.720 with the same entities.

01:22:52.900 Everybody will have

01:22:53.540 this common experience.

01:22:55.080 He's also doing,

01:22:57.660 I mean,

01:22:58.000 they're doing hot yoga

01:22:59.500 and sensory deprivation tanks

01:23:02.140 and things like this.

01:23:03.060 So, yeah,

01:23:04.060 all three of these things

01:23:04.940 are complete channels.

01:23:06.100 The irony is that

01:23:06.880 Joe actually linked

01:23:09.960 to a video

01:23:11.480 that mocked my wife, 0.93

01:23:13.060 Sharon,

01:23:13.560 several years ago

01:23:14.460 when she discussed,

01:23:15.240 she described

01:23:15.840 a supernatural experience

01:23:16.960 that she had,

01:23:18.080 which was,

01:23:18.720 you know,

01:23:18.900 really kind of trippy,

01:23:20.320 but really not that much

01:23:23.360 outside the type of experiences

01:23:26.580 that UFO contactees

01:23:28.900 or alien contact,

01:23:30.560 and I'll put alien 1.00

01:23:31.300 in air quotes there

01:23:32.100 because it's really spiritual.

01:23:33.520 It's not extraterrestrial.

01:23:35.980 She described this experience

01:23:37.440 and, of course,

01:23:37.940 there are those

01:23:38.620 who will look

01:23:40.160 and watch

01:23:41.100 the Jim Baker show

01:23:42.980 and this is where

01:23:43.460 she discussed it.

01:23:44.120 It was in the context

01:23:44.880 of a documentary

01:23:45.540 on the UFO phenomenon.

01:23:47.220 So this is why

01:23:47.780 she even brought it up.

01:23:49.180 It happened like

01:23:50.720 20 years ago.

01:23:53.840 And, of course,

01:23:54.580 there are people

01:23:54.940 who watch Jim Baker

01:23:55.920 just to record his show

01:23:57.060 to try to find clips

01:23:58.180 that make him

01:23:58.840 or his guests 1.00

01:23:59.560 look foolish, 1.00

01:24:00.560 and so they cut 1.00

01:24:01.280 her stuff out of context

01:24:02.500 and put it up there

01:24:03.380 and Joe Rogan shared it.

01:24:04.380 It's like,

01:24:04.680 thanks a lot, Joe.

01:24:05.600 Would love an opportunity

01:24:06.460 to come on and explain.

01:24:07.800 Have you explained

01:24:08.560 how an ayahuasca trip

01:24:10.120 is any more,

01:24:11.460 any less strange

01:24:12.780 than what Sharon described

01:24:13.860 on Jim Baker's show?

01:24:15.420 Would you mind...

01:24:16.020 It was Jim Baker,

01:24:16.920 the CIA guy?

01:24:17.800 No, no, no,

01:24:19.360 Jim Baker.

01:24:20.000 No, that's Mike Baker.

01:24:21.100 Oh, Mike Baker.

01:24:21.760 I'm sorry,

01:24:22.140 because, yeah,

01:24:22.660 Rogan always has,

01:24:23.520 okay, Mike Baker on.

01:24:25.280 He's like,

01:24:25.580 I think he's his handler.

01:24:27.140 Yes, I think so.

01:24:28.260 Could you,

01:24:28.840 would you mind,

01:24:29.620 and I understand

01:24:30.680 if you'd rather her

01:24:31.680 share her own experiences,

01:24:33.340 but my,

01:24:34.960 I think there's

01:24:36.160 an incredible amount

01:24:36.980 of validity

01:24:37.420 to UFO experiences,

01:24:40.040 abductee experiences.

01:24:41.140 I agree with your sentiments

01:24:42.460 that it's spiritual in nature.

01:24:44.720 were coming off

01:24:46.600 the back of the culture

01:24:47.420 dismissing that

01:24:48.260 for some time.

01:24:49.180 Would you mind sharing,

01:24:50.660 Derek,

01:24:50.960 what the nature

01:24:51.560 of her experience was?

01:24:52.980 I do find it funny

01:24:53.820 that he would have laughed at it

01:24:55.300 considering this is a guy

01:24:56.460 that goes and communicates

01:24:57.400 with machines.

01:24:57.860 I don't find it funny

01:24:59.360 and I actually find it

01:25:00.360 a part and parcel

01:25:01.140 for what he's been doing lately,

01:25:02.720 but yeah,

01:25:03.180 I'd love to hear it.

01:25:04.120 It was a demonic encounter

01:25:05.280 and, you know,

01:25:06.000 if people want to find it,

01:25:06.960 it's openly available

01:25:08.180 on the web.

01:25:08.640 This was several years ago

01:25:09.760 and she'd shared it

01:25:11.800 previously on Skywatch TV

01:25:13.140 and, you know,

01:25:14.180 didn't get any pushback

01:25:15.060 because we don't have

01:25:16.080 the kind of reach

01:25:16.580 that Jim Baker does

01:25:17.360 with his program,

01:25:18.120 but it was an entity

01:25:20.400 that was manifesting

01:25:22.080 and pretending to be me

01:25:23.300 and so, yeah.

01:25:25.240 So, I mean,

01:25:26.900 again,

01:25:27.400 if people want to see

01:25:28.120 the full description,

01:25:28.900 you can find it online,

01:25:30.380 but people who,

01:25:33.360 it really brought home

01:25:35.020 to me the reason

01:25:36.080 that people don't share

01:25:38.020 these experiences,

01:25:39.060 even with their pastors

01:25:40.040 in church

01:25:40.600 because the level

01:25:42.280 of mockery

01:25:44.640 that,

01:25:46.360 and God bless her,

01:25:47.380 she's got a pretty thick skin. 1.00

01:25:48.460 She's like,

01:25:48.860 meh,

01:25:49.080 I just don't look at it,

01:25:50.320 but for me as a husband,

01:25:52.360 it was difficult

01:25:53.460 because I was catching

01:25:54.640 all this stuff

01:25:55.320 from, you know,

01:25:56.420 people who were like,

01:25:57.480 oh, this you?

01:25:59.700 Yeah, yeah,

01:26:00.920 it's me

01:26:01.560 and the fact

01:26:02.380 that you're even raising

01:26:03.140 this question tells me

01:26:04.080 that you really don't understand

01:26:05.480 what forces are at work

01:26:06.540 in this world,

01:26:07.000 but you can't tell anybody

01:26:08.780 that because they think

01:26:09.580 they're smarter than they are.

01:26:10.620 I mean,

01:26:10.800 this is the,

01:26:11.280 you know,

01:26:11.540 the IFL science crowd,

01:26:13.860 you know,

01:26:14.080 who think that they're

01:26:14.660 really, really smart

01:26:15.520 because they know

01:26:16.500 how to use Google,

01:26:17.340 but they really don't

01:26:18.620 understand what's going

01:26:19.880 on out there.

01:26:20.380 They really don't have

01:26:21.340 an understanding

01:26:21.980 of the complexity,

01:26:23.080 for example,

01:26:23.620 of biology

01:26:24.680 and the human cell

01:26:25.520 or any cell,

01:26:26.700 even single-celled animals

01:26:28.680 are so complex

01:26:29.880 that to believe

01:26:31.120 that these just happen

01:26:31.900 by accident,

01:26:33.040 you know,

01:26:33.240 time plus goo

01:26:34.220 equals you 0.99

01:26:35.460 is just ridiculous. 0.99

01:26:38.160 But these people 0.99

01:26:38.800 think they're so smart

01:26:39.580 that anyone who believes

01:26:40.640 that there was a creator,

01:26:42.320 a designer

01:26:42.880 behind all of this, 1.00

01:26:44.340 that we're the stupid ones. 1.00

01:26:45.680 It's like, 1.00

01:26:46.140 okay,

01:26:46.580 well,

01:26:47.260 you'll find out someday.

01:26:48.680 I mean,

01:26:48.860 it's not incumbent on me

01:26:49.840 to disabuse you 1.00

01:26:50.700 of your ignorance. 0.99

01:26:51.740 But these people, 0.98

01:26:52.780 they have their own

01:26:53.300 belief system,

01:26:54.000 right?

01:26:54.200 I mean,

01:26:54.440 whether it's...

01:26:55.580 It's a religion.

01:26:56.800 Atheism itself is a religion, 0.59

01:26:58.240 but then people,

01:26:58.980 they depart from that

01:27:00.040 and they'll aim

01:27:01.320 their worship at something.

01:27:02.440 We talked about

01:27:02.880 the MCU before,

01:27:04.040 right?

01:27:04.200 The Marvel Cinematic Universe

01:27:05.400 or even Star Wars.

01:27:06.640 It's like,

01:27:06.880 you're going to give

01:27:07.260 your veneration

01:27:07.900 and your idolatry

01:27:09.240 to something.

01:27:10.520 They do the same thing

01:27:11.720 with,

01:27:12.020 right now,

01:27:12.500 it's like people

01:27:13.400 who are into

01:27:14.140 the New Age movement

01:27:15.020 selling you the same lie

01:27:17.080 that the serpent

01:27:17.720 sold in the garden,

01:27:18.640 which is this idea

01:27:19.280 that you too

01:27:19.880 can be as God.

01:27:20.900 What I'm finding

01:27:22.200 is this unironic

01:27:24.340 return to paganism, 0.58

01:27:27.160 which is very interesting.

01:27:28.460 I actually got into it

01:27:29.380 with a guy

01:27:29.900 from coast to coast,

01:27:31.740 oddly enough, 1.00

01:27:33.080 and he was calling me stupid. 0.99

01:27:35.420 I made a joke. 0.99

01:27:36.500 It was a joke 1.00

01:27:37.080 and I am stupid, 0.99

01:27:38.300 but I made a joke. 0.99

01:27:39.520 I said,

01:27:40.300 I'm going to take

01:27:41.620 dimethyltryptamine

01:27:42.760 just to proclaim

01:27:44.460 Christ is king

01:27:45.700 to the machine elves.

01:27:46.960 It was a total

01:27:48.400 throwaway joke.

01:27:49.820 I thought it was

01:27:50.520 pretty funny.

01:27:50.980 But he goes,

01:27:52.200 well, 1.00

01:27:52.320 they're not as stupid 1.00

01:27:53.240 as you are. 1.00

01:27:54.040 And I click on his profile

01:27:55.120 and he's unironically

01:27:56.560 venerating.

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01:28:29.040 Odin and Zeus

01:28:30.340 and this Norse pantheon.

01:28:32.380 I look at this man.

01:28:33.560 He's a contributor

01:28:35.340 on Coast to Coast

01:28:36.380 with 85,000 followers.

01:28:38.920 And he's an elderly man,

01:28:41.140 probably, you know,

01:28:42.640 upwards in his late 60s to 70s.

01:28:45.600 And I go,

01:28:46.220 it's an insane thing

01:28:47.480 that you could be immersed

01:28:48.960 in this information

01:28:50.720 to such a degree

01:28:51.620 that you're willing to

01:28:52.620 act as a talking head on it,

01:28:54.380 but you've not come around

01:28:55.920 to the idea like,

01:28:56.700 hey, and this is the thing

01:28:58.020 that a lot of these pagans

01:28:59.060 will give me pushback for.

01:29:00.440 They say, oh, Jesus Christ

01:29:01.860 didn't exist

01:29:02.600 and my pagan gods do exist.

01:29:05.260 And I go, no, no, no.

01:29:06.720 They all exist.

01:29:07.800 You are venerating something.

01:29:10.260 It's just a lesser fallen entity.

01:29:12.640 I honestly think

01:29:14.180 that that is a component

01:29:15.620 that a lot of Christianity

01:29:16.680 is missing.

01:29:17.840 We talked about it

01:29:18.560 at the top of the show.

01:29:19.420 You have this knee-jerk reaction

01:29:20.600 to the idea

01:29:21.140 that there are other

01:29:21.860 lowercase g-gods.

01:29:23.640 And what that does

01:29:24.440 is it leaves you ill-equipped

01:29:25.600 to have a conversation

01:29:26.680 and to give pushback

01:29:28.040 because a lot of their pushback,

01:29:30.400 a lot of the defense mechanisms

01:29:31.620 that pagan people will use 1.00

01:29:32.920 is that you don't even think

01:29:34.260 that their entities are real.

01:29:36.160 But the chances are

01:29:37.460 they have had profound experiences

01:29:39.520 with something.

01:29:40.140 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:29:40.680 And so they know

01:29:41.280 in their heart

01:29:41.800 that these things are real.

01:29:42.800 If only they knew

01:29:43.820 that they were lesser and fallen.

01:29:45.620 Absolutely.

01:29:46.260 I mean, how do you know?

01:29:47.780 That's the big question to ask them.

01:29:49.060 How do you know

01:29:49.420 they're not lying to you?

01:29:51.280 That is the thing.

01:29:52.260 I'm a big fan.

01:29:53.820 I'm sure you heard

01:29:54.680 at the top of the show

01:29:56.260 our intro is opened up

01:29:58.360 by David Icke

01:29:59.120 who I'm a fan of David Icke

01:30:01.400 in the sense that he is a searcher.

01:30:03.540 He's looking for the truth.

01:30:05.160 But he says himself

01:30:06.980 in his own biography

01:30:08.400 that the information

01:30:11.080 that he got

01:30:12.900 that was the core

01:30:13.840 to the path

01:30:14.800 that he's on now

01:30:15.960 was given to him

01:30:17.240 through a sort of

01:30:18.280 an information download

01:30:19.480 by something that he regards

01:30:21.200 as an ascended master.

01:30:23.520 I think he even goes

01:30:24.240 as far as to say

01:30:25.140 an Atlantean ascended master.

01:30:27.520 And I just

01:30:27.940 it's a simple question

01:30:29.220 to these people.

01:30:29.880 I'm not saying

01:30:30.600 that you didn't have

01:30:32.020 this experience.

01:30:33.080 I'm not saying

01:30:33.740 that it wasn't profound.

01:30:35.160 And I'm not saying

01:30:35.780 that your heart

01:30:36.360 isn't in the right place.

01:30:37.720 What I'm saying is

01:30:38.560 how do you know

01:30:40.060 they're not lying to you?

01:30:41.500 How do you know it's true?

01:30:42.380 Right.

01:30:42.620 And that's why I go back

01:30:43.640 to 1 Corinthians 15

01:30:44.700 where Paul was telling

01:30:45.600 the church at Corinth,

01:30:46.520 look, believing in the literal

01:30:48.240 bodily resurrection

01:30:49.600 of this man

01:30:51.140 Jesus of Nazareth

01:30:52.460 is key to the gospel.

01:30:55.500 You must believe

01:30:56.400 that he rose again

01:30:57.580 on the third day.

01:30:59.220 And I know 0.68

01:30:59.600 that sounds ridiculous

01:31:00.440 but he appeared

01:31:01.400 first to Peter

01:31:02.200 then to James

01:31:03.420 then to the 12

01:31:04.200 then to 500

01:31:05.100 most of whom

01:31:06.020 are still alive.

01:31:07.120 So look,

01:31:07.960 send guys to Jerusalem 0.94

01:31:09.620 and ask.

01:31:10.300 Confirm what I'm telling you

01:31:11.400 if you don't believe me.

01:31:12.680 Paul himself

01:31:13.640 spent 15 days

01:31:14.940 with Peter and James

01:31:16.420 the leaders of the church

01:31:17.480 in Jerusalem

01:31:18.280 after,

01:31:19.260 this was three years

01:31:20.040 after he'd been

01:31:20.680 with the brothers

01:31:21.220 in Damascus

01:31:21.860 being taught.

01:31:23.520 He went there.

01:31:24.220 Why?

01:31:24.900 I think he went there

01:31:25.800 to say,

01:31:26.200 okay, look,

01:31:26.680 this is what they're

01:31:27.180 teaching me

01:31:27.540 but I gotta know.

01:31:28.920 Did you really see him

01:31:30.120 walk on the water?

01:31:31.300 Did you really see him

01:31:32.420 rise from the dead?

01:31:33.640 And the answer was yes.

01:31:34.960 And because of that,

01:31:36.080 Paul,

01:31:36.480 even though he himself

01:31:37.940 did not see

01:31:38.780 Jesus after the resurrection

01:31:41.060 except for the,

01:31:43.320 you know,

01:31:43.600 the Lord appearing to him

01:31:44.520 on the road to Damascus

01:31:45.420 or hearing the voice,

01:31:46.500 which by the way,

01:31:47.340 if you look at the path

01:31:49.040 that the Damascus road took,

01:31:50.580 the Via Maris,

01:31:51.940 the famous Roman road

01:31:53.060 that led from Alexandria,

01:31:54.380 Egypt to Damascus

01:31:55.340 and then on

01:31:55.840 to the rest of Mesopotamia,

01:31:57.020 it went right through

01:31:58.060 ancient Bashan,

01:31:59.820 the entrance to the netherworld.

01:32:01.200 I think that's where Peter

01:32:02.060 had his Damascus road experience.

01:32:03.860 Right in the middle of the land

01:32:05.080 believed to be

01:32:05.720 the entrance to the netherworld.

01:32:06.940 Suddenly he's blinded

01:32:08.240 and Jesus there

01:32:09.040 appears to him and said,

01:32:09.740 why are you persecuting me?

01:32:11.900 Anyway,

01:32:12.780 Paul making it a point,

01:32:14.220 saying,

01:32:14.460 look,

01:32:15.220 church at Corinth,

01:32:16.560 this is real

01:32:17.400 and here's how you know

01:32:18.800 this is real.

01:32:19.780 Luke,

01:32:20.300 who wrote the books of Luke

01:32:21.880 and Acts in the scriptures,

01:32:24.020 writing to a man named Theophilus,

01:32:27.200 described as the first

01:32:28.200 or most careful historian

01:32:29.700 of the classical world

01:32:31.120 because everything

01:32:32.660 that he's written down

01:32:33.480 has turned out

01:32:34.040 to be confirmed

01:32:34.900 by archaeology.

01:32:36.740 Things that were

01:32:37.700 apparent contradictions,

01:32:38.860 like we've never found

01:32:40.040 the pool of Siloam.

01:32:41.160 Well, guess what?

01:32:42.020 Just within the last

01:32:42.720 couple of years

01:32:43.240 in Jerusalem,

01:32:44.020 they found the pool of Siloam

01:32:45.620 right where John the Apostle

01:32:47.340 put it.

01:32:48.520 So time after time,

01:32:50.120 thing after thing,

01:32:51.200 discovery.

01:32:52.580 I mean,

01:32:53.220 a team from

01:32:54.200 Trinity Southwest University

01:32:55.720 back in 2006

01:32:57.800 began digging at a site

01:32:59.020 across from Jericho

01:33:00.100 over in the Jordan

01:33:00.940 side of the river

01:33:01.880 called Tal El-Hammam.

01:33:04.420 It's a hill

01:33:05.420 that sits between

01:33:06.120 75 and 125 feet

01:33:07.820 above the valley

01:33:09.140 as it empties

01:33:10.820 into the Dead Sea.

01:33:12.020 They found a city there

01:33:13.460 destroyed right in the middle

01:33:14.920 of the Middle Bronze Age,

01:33:16.600 the time of Abraham and Lot,

01:33:18.720 that was apparently destroyed

01:33:20.140 by a massive explosion

01:33:21.600 that blew all of the mud bricks

01:33:23.200 of the buildings

01:33:23.760 in one direction

01:33:24.680 from southwest and northeast

01:33:25.940 with a force of about

01:33:26.880 725 miles per hour.

01:33:30.700 Sodom has been found.

01:33:32.820 Even some of the most

01:33:33.660 spectacular things

01:33:34.520 in scripture,

01:33:35.060 it's like,

01:33:35.220 oh, this is all made up.

01:33:36.120 Guess what?

01:33:37.040 They found the evidence for it.

01:33:39.080 So, look,

01:33:40.920 New Agers,

01:33:41.800 I agree with you

01:33:42.540 and the people

01:33:43.020 who are following

01:33:43.980 these pagan deities.

01:33:44.940 I've interviewed

01:33:45.340 Carl Teichrib several times,

01:33:47.900 author of the book

01:33:48.860 Game of Gods,

01:33:49.920 about this.

01:33:51.040 And he attends

01:33:51.820 these pagan conferences

01:33:54.200 with people who worship

01:33:55.860 the likes of Thor

01:33:57.840 and Odin and so on.

01:33:59.620 And he says

01:34:00.760 what he keeps hearing

01:34:01.560 at these recent gatherings

01:34:02.740 is that people are

01:34:03.760 claiming that they're hearing

01:34:05.300 from their patron deities.

01:34:07.320 The time has come

01:34:08.140 to rebuild their temples.

01:34:10.400 And their voices

01:34:10.980 are getting louder

01:34:11.760 and more insistent.

01:34:12.920 So, yeah,

01:34:13.780 I believe they are hearing

01:34:15.260 from something,

01:34:16.120 but how do they know

01:34:17.500 what they're hearing

01:34:18.220 is true?

01:34:19.200 Jesus anchors everything

01:34:20.620 with the physical resurrection,

01:34:22.360 which was witnessed

01:34:23.640 by hundreds.

01:34:25.560 And this was true

01:34:27.300 even 20 years after

01:34:28.460 when Paul wrote

01:34:29.520 the letter

01:34:30.400 to the church at Corinth.

01:34:31.340 I believe a lot

01:34:33.380 of these people

01:34:35.120 could be won over

01:34:36.360 in my opinion

01:34:37.340 and brought to Christ

01:34:38.560 if more Christians

01:34:39.820 were armed

01:34:40.360 with this sort

01:34:40.940 of information.

01:34:42.240 But there is

01:34:43.600 a hard wall

01:34:46.080 that parties

01:34:47.560 on both sides

01:34:48.300 are hitting.

01:34:49.240 Christians are saying 1.00

01:34:50.380 your gods don't exist

01:34:52.200 and the pagans

01:34:53.780 are saying

01:34:54.360 Jesus Christ

01:34:55.360 didn't exist.

01:34:56.520 In fact,

01:34:56.920 it was a story

01:34:57.480 that was rewritten here.

01:34:58.560 Look at all my pagan

01:35:00.000 information

01:35:01.880 or evidence

01:35:02.860 for that.

01:35:04.200 And if we could just

01:35:05.000 come together

01:35:05.700 and say,

01:35:06.160 no, no, no,

01:35:06.480 all of these entities

01:35:07.680 do exist,

01:35:08.480 but there are

01:35:09.240 very important

01:35:10.360 differences here.

01:35:11.180 One,

01:35:12.040 your entities

01:35:12.620 were fallen

01:35:13.180 and they demand

01:35:14.640 sacrifice from you.

01:35:16.320 And two,

01:35:17.240 our God

01:35:18.000 showed us mercy

01:35:19.200 and sacrificed himself

01:35:20.980 for our sins

01:35:22.300 that we may have

01:35:23.360 eternal life.

01:35:24.600 That's a fundamental

01:35:25.560 difference.

01:35:26.540 That's huge.

01:35:27.980 But the thing

01:35:28.440 that gives me pause

01:35:29.240 about that

01:35:29.700 is that I think

01:35:30.320 a lot of these pagan

01:35:31.380 people have gone

01:35:32.040 on the journey

01:35:32.600 and they have

01:35:33.260 discovered Christianity

01:35:34.120 and they've read

01:35:34.940 through the books

01:35:35.500 and then they end up there.

01:35:37.200 I think that they do know.

01:35:38.620 And I think,

01:35:39.220 so it's like Occam's razor,

01:35:40.400 right?

01:35:40.560 It's like,

01:35:40.820 well,

01:35:41.080 is this malicious

01:35:41.820 or is this,

01:35:42.680 you know,

01:35:43.800 is it unintentional?

01:35:45.680 I think at some

01:35:46.320 of the higher levels,

01:35:47.220 like a Joe Rogan type,

01:35:48.260 it might be,

01:35:49.800 this is intentional.

01:35:50.960 I agree with that,

01:35:51.780 that it could be

01:35:52.160 intentional at the top,

01:35:53.040 but I think that

01:35:53.640 what's happening is

01:35:54.540 going back to the Tucker thing,

01:35:56.120 we have had our understanding

01:35:57.940 of the spiritual realm removed

01:35:59.280 and what happens is

01:36:00.600 all of a sudden

01:36:01.960 you have a profound experience

01:36:03.680 with an entity

01:36:04.720 that's telling you

01:36:05.680 its name

01:36:06.340 and things of that nature

01:36:07.300 and you have no one

01:36:08.680 to turn to

01:36:09.320 because if you turn

01:36:10.160 to modern day Christians,

01:36:12.020 they'll tell you that

01:36:12.880 and they're not completely wrong,

01:36:15.660 but it's reductive.

01:36:16.340 It's like,

01:36:16.580 it's a demon,

01:36:17.040 don't pay attention to

01:36:18.720 and it's like,

01:36:19.300 well,

01:36:19.600 it's more than that.

01:36:20.940 It is,

01:36:21.560 it's ancient

01:36:22.200 and it's been here,

01:36:23.300 it's an adversary of man

01:36:24.980 that's been here

01:36:25.560 since the dawn of time

01:36:26.580 and rebelled against God

01:36:28.020 and was cast out of heaven

01:36:29.220 and has made it

01:36:30.100 its sole mission

01:36:30.800 to subvert mankind

01:36:31.880 for all of time.

01:36:34.840 It's like,

01:36:35.220 you are communicating,

01:36:36.560 I think that's a powerful notion

01:36:37.940 to go,

01:36:38.200 hey,

01:36:38.820 no,

01:36:39.060 no,

01:36:39.140 no,

01:36:39.240 you're not wrong.

01:36:40.380 You're not crazy either.

01:36:41.780 The Western medical system

01:36:42.880 will tell you

01:36:43.280 that you're losing your mind, 0.73

01:36:44.180 you're hallucinating. 0.52

01:36:45.240 You are in communication

01:36:46.540 with something

01:36:47.480 that seeks to deceive you

01:36:49.520 and it is profound,

01:36:52.520 but don't allow

01:36:53.480 that profound experience

01:36:55.700 to blind you,

01:36:56.900 which is what a lot of people do,

01:36:58.120 but that's what happens

01:36:59.080 when you remove

01:37:00.020 your ability to understand

01:37:01.720 the spiritual realm.

01:37:02.720 You have an amazing experience

01:37:04.580 and you're whisked away in it

01:37:06.380 and I think that that,

01:37:07.840 there's a lot of people

01:37:08.800 that are just having that

01:37:09.700 and then,

01:37:10.040 yeah,

01:37:10.180 to your point,

01:37:10.600 there are a lot of people

01:37:11.860 at the top of this

01:37:12.840 that are manipulating

01:37:14.000 and want,

01:37:15.340 you know,

01:37:15.620 it's time to rebuild

01:37:16.480 their temples,

01:37:17.140 things of that nature.

01:37:18.040 That sentiment is wild

01:37:19.720 in my opinion,

01:37:20.980 but there are a lot of people

01:37:22.680 that are just going,

01:37:23.440 hey,

01:37:23.980 I had this experience

01:37:25.340 and everybody is dismissing it,

01:37:27.840 so I'm going to dig deep alone.

01:37:30.820 Sadly,

01:37:31.520 there are a lot of Christians

01:37:33.280 who will have that experience

01:37:34.300 as well.

01:37:35.000 You know,

01:37:35.180 I saw an angel

01:37:35.800 and he told me that,

01:37:36.820 you know,

01:37:37.320 blah,

01:37:37.540 blah,

01:37:37.700 blah,

01:37:38.660 and something that,

01:37:39.740 that contradicts scripture,

01:37:41.580 which is dangerous.

01:37:42.820 I mean,

01:37:42.980 this is how cults get started

01:37:44.260 or they'll have an experience

01:37:46.440 like I saw this mysterious light

01:37:48.340 in the sky

01:37:48.780 or an entity came to me

01:37:50.100 in the night

01:37:50.500 and told me I was special

01:37:51.620 and because pastors

01:37:53.220 don't have the tools

01:37:55.980 or the inclination

01:37:57.460 to address that,

01:37:59.640 then they'll go out

01:38:00.380 looking for other explanations.

01:38:01.840 I mean,

01:38:02.080 we saw a lot of seekers

01:38:03.480 when we went to

01:38:04.340 the 70th anniversary

01:38:05.420 of the Roswell crash

01:38:06.500 back in 2017.

01:38:09.740 There weren't many churches there.

01:38:12.340 In fact,

01:38:12.580 I only think

01:38:13.100 there was one church

01:38:13.840 that had a booth

01:38:14.740 set up on Main Street

01:38:15.520 in Roswell,

01:38:16.060 but there were plenty

01:38:16.600 of tarot card readers

01:38:17.960 and crystals

01:38:19.000 and palm readers

01:38:20.220 and things like that.

01:38:21.540 No recruiters there

01:38:22.580 from Caltech or MIT,

01:38:24.860 but a lot of people

01:38:26.080 there willing to

01:38:26.640 indoctrinate you

01:38:27.300 into the new age.

01:38:28.700 But,

01:38:28.920 you know,

01:38:30.140 the same could also be said

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01:39:01.780 Christians tend to 1.00

01:39:07.500 deal with people

01:39:11.020 from the new age.

01:39:11.760 I had this experience.

01:39:12.920 I got this reading

01:39:14.220 and it came true,

01:39:15.140 so these spirits

01:39:15.660 must be true.

01:39:16.780 Or they had a bad experience

01:39:18.300 in church,

01:39:18.840 so that people

01:39:19.340 aren't rejecting Christ

01:39:21.180 as much as they are

01:39:22.460 rejecting Christians 0.99

01:39:23.320 because we are fallen

01:39:25.240 and imperfect beings

01:39:26.240 and there are enemies

01:39:28.120 who have infiltrated themselves

01:39:29.460 into our churches,

01:39:30.560 specifically to tear churches apart,

01:39:34.480 to denigrate the gospel,

01:39:36.120 to make Christians 0.98

01:39:36.700 in general look bad,

01:39:38.540 and that is also something

01:39:40.060 we have to be aware of.

01:39:41.960 Right now, though,

01:39:42.860 we are living in a culture

01:39:43.920 that, according to George Barna

01:39:46.780 and the research that he's done

01:39:47.960 on the worldview of Americans,

01:39:49.640 he's done this every year now

01:39:50.600 for a couple of decades,

01:39:52.000 prior to the pandemic lockdowns

01:39:54.900 when I co-authored the book

01:39:56.100 The Day the Earth Stands Still

01:39:57.500 back in 2016,

01:39:58.420 about the UFO

01:40:00.140 and alien abductee-contactee phenomena.

01:40:03.800 We found,

01:40:05.500 in his most recent survey,

01:40:07.040 that only 9% of American adults

01:40:08.740 had a biblical worldview,

01:40:10.360 which he described as,

01:40:11.660 or defined as,

01:40:13.140 believing six key tenets

01:40:14.760 of Christian faith,

01:40:16.320 that Jesus was born of a virgin,

01:40:18.560 lived a sinless life,

01:40:19.640 literally rose from the dead,

01:40:21.740 Satan is a literal entity

01:40:23.740 and not just a concept

01:40:24.840 or a force,

01:40:25.660 you know,

01:40:25.860 that sort of thing.

01:40:26.420 Basically, Christianity 101.

01:40:28.460 He found only 9% of Americans

01:40:30.740 had a biblical worldview.

01:40:32.880 Only 19% of professing Christians

01:40:35.380 had a biblical worldview.

01:40:37.520 A lot of people

01:40:38.260 who claim to follow Christ

01:40:39.220 are actually incorporating

01:40:40.220 a lot of New Age beliefs

01:40:41.260 into their worldview.

01:40:43.460 But since the lockdowns,

01:40:45.620 that percentage of Americans

01:40:47.000 with a biblical worldview

01:40:48.000 has dropped from 9%

01:40:49.280 to 4%.

01:40:51.280 Really?

01:40:51.900 And at the time we wrote

01:40:53.400 the book back in 2016,

01:40:55.560 there was a survey

01:40:56.480 that had been done

01:40:57.040 by the Nat Geo channel

01:40:58.620 because they were getting ready

01:40:59.600 to launch an alien hunter show

01:41:01.300 or something.

01:41:01.980 They found 36% of American adults

01:41:04.360 believed that there's evidence

01:41:07.360 that we've been visited

01:41:08.140 by extraterrestrials.

01:41:10.280 And about the same amount,

01:41:11.480 slightly less,

01:41:12.040 about a third of Americans

01:41:13.180 believe we were in contact

01:41:15.380 with ETs.

01:41:16.380 So there are more people

01:41:17.940 who believe

01:41:18.780 that extraterrestrials

01:41:21.100 are visiting the earth

01:41:22.260 than people who believe

01:41:23.940 in God

01:41:24.660 as he has defined himself

01:41:26.640 in his scriptures.

01:41:29.580 There are more of them

01:41:30.820 than there are of us,

01:41:31.760 in other words.

01:41:32.720 You know,

01:41:33.500 it's gotten me second-guessing

01:41:34.780 doing this show

01:41:35.340 because the entire point

01:41:36.720 of this is like

01:41:37.200 we like to look at a lot

01:41:38.360 of current events

01:41:39.420 through the biblical lens

01:41:40.440 because ever since

01:41:41.580 we started doing that,

01:41:42.600 everything started making

01:41:43.300 a lot more sense.

01:41:44.300 But if you do look

01:41:45.040 at the alien phenomenon

01:41:46.260 under the biblical lens

01:41:47.840 then you will believe

01:41:49.100 in God

01:41:49.500 because in my opinion

01:41:50.760 these aliens are

01:41:51.940 fallen angels

01:41:53.100 who are just rebranded

01:41:54.480 or possibly Nephilim

01:41:56.220 who are just rebranded

01:41:57.180 as whatever.

01:41:58.900 You know,

01:41:59.080 things that we've seen before

01:42:00.300 but now we'll see them

01:42:01.440 in a more technological way.

01:42:02.620 However they feel like

01:42:03.300 presenting themselves

01:42:04.240 to us today

01:42:05.500 in a way that will

01:42:07.440 accept it.

01:42:08.860 So,

01:42:09.760 I don't,

01:42:10.120 I was expecting you to say

01:42:11.480 that that number increased

01:42:12.600 since COVID

01:42:13.160 because I feel like

01:42:14.020 spirituality

01:42:14.480 has increased

01:42:15.700 since COVID

01:42:16.520 but

01:42:16.820 Right,

01:42:17.200 but it's being co-opted

01:42:18.200 by the New Age movement.

01:42:19.600 Well,

01:42:20.100 I talk to a lot of pastors

01:42:21.220 who say that

01:42:21.960 when the lockdowns hit

01:42:24.380 and they weren't able to

01:42:25.400 or people just quit

01:42:27.640 coming to church

01:42:28.280 even if they were keeping

01:42:29.080 their church doors open

01:42:30.040 there were a lot of people

01:42:30.640 who just,

01:42:31.120 they were afraid

01:42:31.880 because the media

01:42:33.000 was telling them

01:42:33.560 that COVID

01:42:33.960 was the worstest thing ever

01:42:35.180 so they stopped going

01:42:36.800 and then they just

01:42:37.940 have never gotten

01:42:38.980 back into the routine

01:42:40.800 of getting out

01:42:41.480 on Sunday morning.

01:42:42.520 Really this was a,

01:42:43.760 a winnowing

01:42:45.320 if you will.

01:42:46.800 I mean,

01:42:47.060 we saw this happen

01:42:48.000 with the persecutions

01:42:49.180 of the early church

01:42:50.200 in the first,

01:42:50.960 second century,

01:42:51.520 even the third century.

01:42:52.360 The worst persecution

01:42:53.280 of the church

01:42:53.820 was under Diocletian

01:42:54.940 at the end

01:42:55.300 of the third century AD

01:42:56.560 and it really forced

01:42:59.280 people out of the faith

01:43:02.020 who didn't want

01:43:03.240 to give up their lifestyle

01:43:04.840 or their social standing

01:43:06.940 to make it,

01:43:08.340 take a stand

01:43:08.820 for the truth,

01:43:09.800 for the gospel.

01:43:11.260 So the same sort of thing

01:43:13.600 is beginning here.

01:43:15.160 COVID was just one aspect of it.

01:43:16.620 Of course,

01:43:17.260 the media

01:43:17.860 and the culture

01:43:19.280 basically mocking

01:43:22.580 or ridiculing anyone

01:43:25.120 who says,

01:43:26.140 yeah,

01:43:26.480 the Bible is true,

01:43:27.600 it is accurate,

01:43:28.200 it is the word of God

01:43:28.960 and I take it very seriously.

01:43:32.480 You know,

01:43:33.120 there are a lot of people

01:43:34.120 out there

01:43:34.640 who just will not

01:43:35.980 or cannot bring themselves

01:43:37.580 to stand up

01:43:38.320 to the kind of criticism

01:43:39.240 that they will get

01:43:39.960 or even being ostracized

01:43:42.580 at work.

01:43:43.140 I mean,

01:43:43.340 it may affect your chances

01:43:44.640 for promotion,

01:43:46.260 it may affect

01:43:46.860 your opportunities

01:43:47.780 and it's only

01:43:49.600 going to get worse.

01:43:50.380 I mean,

01:43:50.700 prophecy says

01:43:51.720 there's a day coming

01:43:52.480 when unless you take

01:43:53.960 that mark

01:43:54.400 and I don't think

01:43:55.020 we'll be here

01:43:55.500 when that's issued

01:43:57.740 by the Antichrist

01:43:59.240 but if we are,

01:44:00.540 well,

01:44:00.820 okay.

01:44:02.960 We have a lot of friends

01:44:04.360 who have different views

01:44:05.080 on when things

01:44:06.080 are going to happen

01:44:06.580 in the end times

01:44:07.140 and that's not been revealed

01:44:08.280 clearly by God

01:44:09.120 because guess what?

01:44:09.880 The enemy reads

01:44:10.540 the Bible too.

01:44:11.760 So God is being

01:44:12.880 the greatest military commander

01:44:14.200 in forever.

01:44:15.680 He's not revealed

01:44:16.580 all of His plans to us.

01:44:17.860 We just know

01:44:18.320 that it ends well.

01:44:19.820 So if we're going

01:44:20.240 to be here

01:44:20.600 through the tribulation

01:44:21.420 and we have to say,

01:44:22.500 okay, look,

01:44:23.060 we're going to have to find

01:44:23.840 another way to buy and sell

01:44:24.860 because we just ain't

01:44:25.660 taking that mark,

01:44:26.860 so be it.

01:44:27.420 But a lot of people

01:44:28.040 will fall away.

01:44:29.240 The worst thing

01:44:30.340 that ever happened

01:44:31.260 to the Christian church

01:44:32.020 from a spiritual standpoint,

01:44:33.720 a theological standpoint.

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01:45:05.480 Was when Constantine

01:45:07.040 legalized it

01:45:08.140 in the early 4th century

01:45:09.280 because suddenly,

01:45:10.860 suddenly it became

01:45:12.160 a career path.

01:45:14.480 Hey, if we become friends

01:45:15.620 with the emperor,

01:45:16.480 we can become rich.

01:45:17.840 And this is a lot easier

01:45:19.080 than going into the military

01:45:20.500 or having to farm.

01:45:22.780 Suddenly it became

01:45:23.760 an attractive career option.

01:45:25.620 And then when Theodosius

01:45:26.500 in the late 4th century

01:45:27.540 made it the official religion

01:45:29.120 of the Roman Empire,

01:45:30.360 yeah, you didn't have

01:45:31.860 to sacrifice anything

01:45:32.860 to be a follower

01:45:34.000 of Jesus Christ.

01:45:35.620 And so the church grew.

01:45:37.360 Which, you know,

01:45:37.940 okay, in a way

01:45:38.600 that's a good thing.

01:45:39.320 The gospel was being 0.93

01:45:40.180 proclaimed and preached,

01:45:41.300 but a lot of people

01:45:41.860 were holding it very loosely.

01:45:43.680 And I would say

01:45:44.640 still practicing

01:45:45.340 a lot of pagan things.

01:45:46.280 As we're seeing

01:45:46.860 in modern-day America,

01:45:48.200 when Stephen Bankers

01:45:49.900 and Josh Peck

01:45:50.560 co-authored

01:45:51.120 The Second Coming

01:45:52.640 of the New Age,

01:45:53.740 they found that

01:45:54.320 more than 50%,

01:45:55.600 found surveys,

01:45:56.520 more than 50%

01:45:57.300 of American

01:45:57.820 self-professed Christians

01:46:00.140 held some kind

01:46:01.540 of New Age belief

01:46:02.460 as part of their worldview.

01:46:04.720 Can I ask you this?

01:46:05.820 So when I first discovered you,

01:46:08.520 I discovered you

01:46:09.220 in a space with Gary Wayne.

01:46:11.560 And there were a lot of people

01:46:13.040 listening to that space.

01:46:14.260 And it was great information.

01:46:15.960 Let me just say,

01:46:17.060 I listened to the entire space.

01:46:18.580 I was in Puerto Rico

01:46:19.340 on vacation with my wife

01:46:20.920 at a restaurant.

01:46:21.800 She was like,

01:46:22.160 what the hell are you doing?

01:46:23.180 And I was just like, 0.97

01:46:24.020 you don't understand.

01:46:25.800 This is very important.

01:46:26.960 I'm learning.

01:46:28.540 So we're talking about

01:46:30.400 this falling away.

01:46:31.400 These percentages are dropping.

01:46:32.460 Right after COVID and such.

01:46:34.440 But I do feel,

01:46:36.200 and maybe I'm biased

01:46:37.120 because I'm in this space

01:46:38.440 and we're talking

01:46:39.680 to an audience

01:46:40.360 that is growing daily.

01:46:43.440 Is there room for both, Derek?

01:46:45.640 Can the general

01:46:46.920 body of Christians

01:46:50.020 be reducing

01:46:51.080 while at the same time

01:46:52.980 we're tapping into

01:46:54.400 a new group

01:46:56.220 who maybe resonates

01:46:57.220 more with this

01:46:58.300 than they did

01:46:59.640 with the sort of

01:47:00.640 homogenized

01:47:01.680 version of Christianity

01:47:03.040 that became popularized

01:47:04.820 because I do think

01:47:05.500 a lot of it

01:47:05.920 was sacrificed

01:47:06.580 in order to

01:47:08.300 gain more

01:47:10.700 of a following

01:47:11.440 and make it

01:47:12.400 more palatable

01:47:13.160 for the average person.

01:47:14.720 But in doing so,

01:47:15.920 you sacrifice

01:47:16.440 the actual message

01:47:17.380 and the truth of it.

01:47:18.140 And it seems

01:47:19.020 that this does resonate.

01:47:20.960 We're certainly

01:47:21.680 finding that it

01:47:22.380 resonates with people.

01:47:23.380 A great example

01:47:24.100 of what you said

01:47:24.740 with Constantine

01:47:25.580 and the modern church

01:47:26.860 is the church

01:47:27.720 that I went to

01:47:28.280 when I was living

01:47:28.860 in New York, Brooklyn.

01:47:29.920 They shut down

01:47:31.140 during COVID

01:47:31.860 because the governor

01:47:32.680 said that they had to

01:47:33.620 and if they didn't

01:47:34.380 they would lose

01:47:34.860 their tax exemption status.

01:47:37.040 And I'm like,

01:47:37.880 yeah,

01:47:38.920 that right there

01:47:39.740 is why

01:47:40.500 this cannot coexist,

01:47:42.520 cannot mingle

01:47:43.120 these two things.

01:47:44.260 Yeah.

01:47:44.720 No, I see

01:47:45.480 what you're saying though

01:47:46.100 but it is a winnowing,

01:47:47.360 it's a refining process

01:47:48.540 where the dross,

01:47:49.760 the impurities,

01:47:51.560 if you will,

01:47:51.960 and maybe that's

01:47:52.420 a bad word for it

01:47:53.280 because I'm not saying

01:47:54.260 that the people

01:47:54.760 who are not really

01:47:57.480 thinking seriously

01:47:59.680 or hard about their faith

01:48:01.420 are impure in any way

01:48:03.100 but I think those

01:48:04.620 who aren't willing

01:48:05.380 to take it seriously

01:48:06.500 enough to say,

01:48:08.900 look,

01:48:09.140 this is for all the marbles.

01:48:11.120 I mean,

01:48:11.240 this is for eternity.

01:48:13.360 I mean,

01:48:13.540 these are matters

01:48:14.180 of eternal consequence

01:48:15.220 we're dealing with here.

01:48:16.340 So if it means

01:48:17.120 it's going to be

01:48:17.780 inconvenient or hard

01:48:19.120 and I,

01:48:20.760 believe me,

01:48:21.360 I do not

01:48:22.200 diminish the

01:48:24.100 the stress

01:48:25.060 that this would put

01:48:25.800 on parents

01:48:26.540 with small children

01:48:27.420 who are being

01:48:28.980 indoctrinated in schools,

01:48:31.300 having to try

01:48:32.060 to find ways

01:48:32.660 to feed and clothe them

01:48:34.260 during this period

01:48:35.540 where things start

01:48:36.180 really getting difficult,

01:48:37.440 it's really going to be hard.

01:48:38.980 I mean,

01:48:39.140 there may have to be

01:48:40.960 Christian communities

01:48:42.760 that set themselves apart,

01:48:44.180 alternate,

01:48:45.360 an alternate economy

01:48:47.180 that allows us

01:48:48.160 to buy and sell

01:48:48.760 outside of the main system.

01:48:51.500 You know,

01:48:52.100 I don't know

01:48:52.720 what this is going

01:48:53.360 to look like

01:48:53.860 in the future

01:48:54.520 and because I am getting

01:48:57.240 uncomfortably close

01:48:58.320 to being an elderly man

01:48:59.340 according to your definition.

01:49:00.780 How dare you, David?

01:49:01.980 I knew it.

01:49:02.440 I knew I touched it.

01:49:04.240 I,

01:49:04.700 frankly,

01:49:05.940 I think it's fine.

01:49:06.840 I would not go back

01:49:07.700 to being a young man

01:49:08.780 except for the loss

01:49:11.040 of muscle mass

01:49:11.800 in my legs.

01:49:12.360 That's really annoying.

01:49:14.060 But I probably

01:49:16.040 am not going to have

01:49:16.560 to deal with this,

01:49:17.180 but I look at our daughter,

01:49:18.620 I look at friends

01:49:19.580 who are younger

01:49:20.220 and their children

01:49:20.820 and grandchildren,

01:49:21.540 and it's certainly,

01:49:22.340 it's going to be

01:49:22.860 a really hard time

01:49:24.700 for those in the future.

01:49:25.660 There are people,

01:49:26.640 I've talked to friends of mine

01:49:27.760 who are really distressed

01:49:29.500 over how this is going

01:49:30.320 to affect their grandkids,

01:49:31.260 and I get that.

01:49:31.980 I get that.

01:49:32.960 But God has not

01:49:34.440 appointed us under wrath.

01:49:35.660 The judgment

01:49:36.680 that we read about

01:49:37.560 coming in the end times

01:49:38.900 in the book of Revelation

01:49:39.720 is for those

01:49:41.220 who have rejected

01:49:42.300 Jesus Christ

01:49:43.740 as Lord and Savior.

01:49:44.760 And we don't say this

01:49:45.600 with any joy.

01:49:46.380 It's not like,

01:49:47.000 ha ha,

01:49:47.420 we got Jesus,

01:49:48.140 so we got to get out

01:49:48.760 a hell-free card

01:49:49.480 and you're going to have

01:49:50.640 to suffer, 1.00

01:49:51.260 you evil sinners. 0.83

01:49:52.520 No, 0.88

01:49:52.860 what's going to happen

01:49:53.560 on the earth

01:49:54.060 in those days

01:49:54.600 is so terrible

01:49:55.740 that we wish nobody,

01:49:57.980 nobody would have

01:49:58.740 to endure it.

01:49:59.660 But if there is

01:50:01.460 no punishment

01:50:02.100 for the wicked,

01:50:03.440 then how is God

01:50:04.280 righteous?

01:50:04.860 I mean,

01:50:05.380 the universalist,

01:50:06.300 and I,

01:50:07.360 really looking back

01:50:08.320 on my life

01:50:08.760 up until about

01:50:09.300 the age of 35,

01:50:10.060 I was really closer

01:50:11.260 to being a universalist

01:50:12.640 than anything else.

01:50:13.840 Oh,

01:50:14.100 God surely wouldn't

01:50:15.340 condemn anybody

01:50:16.000 who's trying

01:50:16.920 to seek his face

01:50:18.020 and maybe coming

01:50:18.960 through it,

01:50:19.600 you know,

01:50:19.900 through the New Age

01:50:20.660 movement

01:50:20.940 or through Hinduism

01:50:22.880 or Buddhism

01:50:23.300 or Islam 0.63

01:50:24.080 or Judaism.

01:50:25.540 All paths

01:50:26.380 are going to lead

01:50:26.880 to God.

01:50:27.780 Well,

01:50:28.400 that's not what

01:50:28.960 Jesus said.

01:50:30.020 And again,

01:50:30.720 when you go to

01:50:31.460 the evidence

01:50:31.980 of the resurrection,

01:50:32.860 which is probably

01:50:34.680 the best attested

01:50:35.980 in terms of eyewitnesses,

01:50:37.800 the best attested

01:50:39.020 event of the classical era,

01:50:42.660 you can't get around

01:50:44.760 the fact that Jesus

01:50:45.880 promised he'd come back

01:50:47.200 on the third day

01:50:47.840 and he did,

01:50:49.060 which kind of validates

01:50:50.420 his claims to divinity,

01:50:51.520 I and the Father

01:50:52.000 are one.

01:50:53.140 And so when he says,

01:50:54.260 no one comes to the Father

01:50:55.800 except through me,

01:50:56.920 you kind of got to

01:50:57.720 take that seriously.

01:50:59.280 So maybe we as Christians

01:51:00.900 need to be better ambassadors

01:51:02.140 for our king

01:51:03.100 so we're not driving

01:51:04.280 people away

01:51:04.880 by making other people

01:51:06.860 feel as though

01:51:07.640 we somehow feel

01:51:08.540 we're superior.

01:51:09.220 Hey,

01:51:09.380 we're just beggars

01:51:10.040 who know where

01:51:10.440 to get the free meal

01:51:11.200 and we should be

01:51:12.300 helping others

01:51:13.180 to find the way there.

01:51:15.640 That's why,

01:51:16.440 you know,

01:51:16.800 I always find

01:51:17.580 the relationship

01:51:18.380 between Jews,

01:51:22.680 practicing Jews

01:51:23.400 and Christians

01:51:24.440 very interesting

01:51:26.300 because the old pastor

01:51:28.100 of my church

01:51:28.540 was big into

01:51:30.880 the ministry

01:51:31.300 of Jews for Jesus

01:51:32.220 and it is kind of

01:51:33.800 that dynamic

01:51:34.500 where you'll see

01:51:35.260 it at play

01:51:36.460 where they obviously

01:51:37.240 had respect for us

01:51:38.340 as a church

01:51:39.220 and him as a pastor

01:51:40.080 and the things

01:51:40.580 that he did

01:51:41.000 but there is that thing

01:51:42.480 that denial there

01:51:43.480 and it's always

01:51:44.880 like him constantly

01:51:45.660 just eating it

01:51:47.800 from these people

01:51:49.920 but you know what,

01:51:51.140 looking at it

01:51:51.920 when I was younger

01:51:52.520 I'm like,

01:51:53.280 it's annoying

01:51:54.020 and I didn't like it

01:51:55.060 but the grace

01:51:55.840 that he showed

01:51:56.580 and he still does

01:51:57.720 to this day

01:51:59.060 because I think

01:51:59.460 he still does that

01:52:00.300 is kind of

01:52:01.140 amazing possible

01:52:02.420 I think that's

01:52:03.100 what we're called

01:52:03.880 to do, right?

01:52:04.700 Amen, amen.

01:52:05.700 That's the backbone

01:52:07.300 of this show

01:52:08.140 is like we have

01:52:10.040 this biblical foundation

01:52:11.200 Top and I

01:52:11.880 and what we're trying

01:52:12.900 to do is present

01:52:13.960 people with information

01:52:16.140 that compelled us.

01:52:17.360 That's just the name

01:52:18.240 of the game.

01:52:18.740 It's like,

01:52:19.040 hey,

01:52:19.260 maybe you're just

01:52:20.140 not dealing

01:52:20.800 with the entire deck.

01:52:22.140 Maybe you haven't heard

01:52:23.140 about this

01:52:24.060 or seen this

01:52:25.100 and so the name

01:52:27.100 of the game

01:52:27.500 is just trying to

01:52:29.160 it's not jamming

01:52:30.240 it down your throat

01:52:30.820 but it's trying

01:52:31.260 to compel you

01:52:31.820 to just put

01:52:33.180 a different lens on

01:52:34.080 and see how well

01:52:34.920 this one fits

01:52:35.720 because it does fit

01:52:36.760 remarkably well

01:52:37.760 to the extent

01:52:38.720 that we've decided

01:52:39.860 oh,

01:52:40.240 this is the appropriate

01:52:41.340 lens through which

01:52:42.080 to see all world events

01:52:44.020 and the lives

01:52:45.620 that we're living

01:52:46.180 right now.

01:52:47.520 It's a lot,

01:52:48.480 there's a lot of confusion

01:52:49.680 and there's a lot of

01:52:51.120 you know,

01:52:52.660 we're going to wrap this up

01:52:53.960 but I just want to use

01:52:54.720 an analogy that I've used

01:52:55.700 many times.

01:52:56.820 We're at this moment

01:52:57.820 in history

01:52:58.320 where people would argue

01:52:59.300 there's a great

01:52:59.800 awakening happening

01:53:00.740 and I think there's

01:53:02.020 actually a tremendous

01:53:02.560 amount of danger

01:53:03.140 in that

01:53:03.480 because if you're

01:53:04.160 somebody who's been

01:53:04.780 asleep to continue

01:53:06.140 that analogy

01:53:06.740 for a long time

01:53:08.380 when you are just

01:53:10.900 woken up

01:53:11.640 you're susceptible

01:53:12.460 to deception.

01:53:13.560 You're confused,

01:53:14.480 you've got grogginess

01:53:15.740 about you,

01:53:16.560 your eyes haven't

01:53:17.300 adjusted yet

01:53:18.020 and if somebody

01:53:18.880 should burst

01:53:19.440 into your room

01:53:20.200 like somebody

01:53:21.600 who is a new ager

01:53:23.160 let's say

01:53:23.660 and they show you

01:53:25.000 a lot of compelling

01:53:25.820 things

01:53:26.440 that there's a lot

01:53:27.640 of truth in it

01:53:28.340 but there's

01:53:28.900 fundamental deceptions

01:53:30.360 and if they show you

01:53:32.240 these things

01:53:32.780 as you're just waking up

01:53:34.100 well you might decide

01:53:35.020 that this is the truth

01:53:35.880 and this is the path

01:53:36.600 that you need to go down.

01:53:37.700 Right now

01:53:38.320 we're in the middle

01:53:39.260 if we are truly

01:53:40.100 in the middle

01:53:40.440 of a great awakening

01:53:41.380 it's a war

01:53:43.920 for people's minds

01:53:46.440 that we're engaged

01:53:47.800 in right now

01:53:48.740 and if so

01:53:49.440 if many people

01:53:50.600 are just waking up

01:53:51.560 it's beholden upon us

01:53:52.760 to try to guide them

01:53:54.460 and it's

01:53:55.220 ideally not

01:53:56.960 towards some entity

01:53:57.820 that wants you

01:53:58.760 to rebuild their temples

01:54:00.020 and demands

01:54:00.780 that you sacrifice

01:54:01.480 to them

01:54:02.020 so that's our job.

01:54:04.520 Exactly right

01:54:04.780 exactly right

01:54:05.540 the church needs

01:54:07.380 to be able to address

01:54:08.280 these strange things

01:54:10.560 like manifestations

01:54:12.400 of other entities

01:54:13.460 visitations

01:54:14.580 from extraterrestrials

01:54:16.060 or what have you

01:54:16.660 because if we don't

01:54:17.740 have those answers

01:54:18.480 there are plenty

01:54:19.340 of people out there

01:54:20.080 who are willing

01:54:20.720 to give them

01:54:21.360 and they may not

01:54:22.020 be pointing to

01:54:22.760 the one true thing.

01:54:25.020 Yes.

01:54:25.640 Yes.

01:54:26.040 I agree.

01:54:27.040 I think this is

01:54:27.640 a great place

01:54:28.280 to land the show

01:54:29.340 thank you so much

01:54:30.320 Derek for your time

01:54:31.260 I'm really glad

01:54:32.580 we were able to do this

01:54:33.500 this is kind of

01:54:34.980 a return to the roots

01:54:35.980 of this show

01:54:36.580 and it was nice

01:54:37.760 to visit it

01:54:38.500 because we haven't

01:54:39.520 had this kind

01:54:40.260 of a discussion

01:54:40.780 in some time

01:54:41.580 it's very refreshing

01:54:42.740 if you could

01:54:43.340 Derek one more time

01:54:44.480 just let our audience

01:54:45.600 know where they

01:54:47.040 can find your books

01:54:48.280 the names of your books

01:54:49.060 and where they

01:54:49.360 can find your works.

01:54:50.600 Our books are available

01:54:51.340 at all major retailers

01:54:52.580 Amazon, Barnes & Noble

01:54:54.180 we are now in the process

01:54:55.580 of turning the back catalogs

01:54:56.920 into audio books

01:54:57.840 and the new one

01:54:59.020 The Gates of Hell

01:54:59.620 is available

01:55:00.220 as an audible

01:55:00.960 audio book

01:55:02.420 at audible

01:55:03.320 and Amazon

01:55:04.060 ebooks as well

01:55:05.240 kindled

01:55:05.560 but you can also

01:55:06.060 get them at our store

01:55:06.880 gilberthouse.org

01:55:08.300 slash store

01:55:09.280 and that is our

01:55:10.480 main website

01:55:11.140 gilberthouse.org

01:55:12.200 where from there

01:55:13.500 you can find

01:55:14.060 just about everything

01:55:14.620 that we do

01:55:15.080 Oh hey

01:55:15.740 are you

01:55:16.100 Vicki Joy Anderson

01:55:16.780 Yeah

01:55:16.980 you tie it up

01:55:17.900 with like

01:55:18.240 L.A. Marzulli

01:55:18.960 Oh yeah

01:55:20.060 L.A.'s

01:55:20.760 friends with L.A.

01:55:22.940 for a long long time

01:55:24.020 and Vicki lives

01:55:24.720 about 10 minutes

01:55:25.260 away from us

01:55:25.780 Oh dear

01:55:26.400 she's coming out

01:55:27.120 I love her

01:55:27.800 I love her

01:55:27.820 Yeah

01:55:28.080 Yeah

01:55:28.740 So in fact

01:55:29.320 we got a special

01:55:29.940 on her book

01:55:30.400 this month

01:55:30.820 in our store

01:55:31.300 so if people

01:55:31.720 want to get

01:55:32.020 a copy of that

01:55:32.660 they can get it

01:55:33.780 along with one

01:55:34.280 of ours

01:55:34.620 and a DVD

01:55:35.360 for a discounted

01:55:36.860 price

01:55:37.100 Awesome

01:55:37.780 Great

01:55:38.300 Trying to sell

01:55:38.940 her book

01:55:39.220 to help her out

01:55:39.780 because that book

01:55:40.760 they only come out

01:55:41.460 at night

01:55:41.720 is awesome

01:55:42.800 Yeah

01:55:43.720 she's great

01:55:44.360 she's great

01:55:44.940 she'll be coming

01:55:45.380 back soon

01:55:45.880 and she's tremendous

01:55:46.560 a huge body

01:55:48.140 of knowledge

01:55:49.140 when it comes

01:55:49.680 to Vicki Joy Anderson

01:55:50.640 Yeah

01:55:50.800 and L.A.

01:55:51.580 as well

01:55:51.900 we had him on

01:55:52.560 early in the show

01:55:53.400 I don't know

01:55:53.880 why he came on

01:55:54.500 so early in the show

01:55:55.300 but he knocked

01:55:55.780 our socks off

01:55:56.500 and really gave us

01:55:57.400 a good pathway

01:55:57.960 to continue

01:55:58.480 going down

01:55:59.000 this rabbit hole

01:55:59.700 I blame L.A.

01:56:01.860 for a lot

01:56:02.160 of what we do

01:56:02.640 he and

01:56:03.120 he and Peggy

01:56:06.940 prayed for Sharon

01:56:07.800 and me

01:56:08.140 at the Prophecy Watchers

01:56:09.420 Conference

01:56:09.760 in Colorado Springs

01:56:10.760 in 2014

01:56:11.380 that God

01:56:12.060 would open a door

01:56:12.680 for us

01:56:12.980 to do this full time

01:56:13.840 and less than

01:56:14.920 a year later

01:56:15.340 we were out here

01:56:15.940 in the Ozarks

01:56:16.540 and relocated

01:56:17.340 from Illinois

01:56:17.820 and we were partnered

01:56:18.500 with Tom Horn

01:56:19.220 at Skywatch TV

01:56:20.000 so his book

01:56:22.120 on his novel

01:56:23.260 titled Nephilim

01:56:24.480 was the first

01:56:25.260 book on the Nephilim

01:56:26.200 that I ever read

01:56:26.860 back in like

01:56:27.700 2003 or something

01:56:29.160 like that

01:56:29.520 so I blame L.A.

01:56:30.640 for all of this

01:56:31.240 that's fine

01:56:32.020 I'm comfortable

01:56:32.680 with that

01:56:33.020 we do a lot

01:56:33.520 of that too

01:56:34.020 blaming L.A.

01:56:35.740 well thank you

01:56:36.660 so much Derek

01:56:37.420 it has been

01:56:38.160 a genuine pleasure

01:56:39.340 and hopefully

01:56:40.560 we can do it again

01:56:41.200 sometimes

01:56:41.540 I think there's

01:56:41.980 a lot of

01:56:42.760 meat left

01:56:43.560 on the bone

01:56:44.020 there

01:56:44.220 a lot of stuff

01:56:44.700 left on the table

01:56:45.340 that we can

01:56:45.820 visit in the future

01:56:46.960 so you're always

01:56:47.640 welcome back

01:56:48.220 happy to do it

01:56:49.640 the Bible

01:56:50.080 is an incredible

01:56:51.080 document

01:56:51.640 those who say

01:56:52.480 you're trying

01:56:53.040 to find

01:56:53.360 an incredible

01:56:53.840 new

01:56:54.100 spectacular

01:56:54.820 new

01:56:55.240 look

01:56:55.880 the Bible

01:56:56.240 doesn't need

01:56:56.700 to be sensationalized

01:56:57.740 it is sensational

01:56:58.780 in and of itself

01:56:59.760 and we'll spend

01:57:00.460 the rest of our lives

01:57:01.340 digging into it

01:57:02.400 and finding little

01:57:03.000 nuggets of gold

01:57:03.620 amen

01:57:05.040 thank you

01:57:05.880 thank you man

01:57:06.640 alright guys

01:57:07.100 we'll be back

01:57:08.320 we'll be back tomorrow

01:57:08.740 check us out

01:57:09.940 you know where to

01:57:10.340 find us

01:57:10.820 the greatest hypnotist

01:57:12.260 on planet earth

01:57:13.260 is a oblong box

01:57:15.120 in the corner

01:57:15.760 of the room

01:57:16.540 it is constantly

01:57:17.840 telling us

01:57:18.620 what to believe

01:57:19.640 is real

01:57:20.380 if you can persuade

01:57:21.920 them

01:57:22.180 that what they see

01:57:23.640 with their eyes

01:57:24.240 is what there is

01:57:24.900 to see

01:57:25.360 because

01:57:27.480 they'll laugh

01:57:28.460 in the face

01:57:29.140 of an explanation

01:57:30.480 that portrays

01:57:31.680 the bigger picture

01:57:32.440 of what's happening

01:57:33.140 what's happening

01:57:34.260 huh

01:57:34.760 you

Nephilim Death Squad - September 28, 2024

062： The Gates of Hell w⧸ Derek Gilbert

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