Nephilim Death Squad - 066： Modeling God w. Ed Mabrie & John Lenhart

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00:01:53.400 In the Bible, it says the demons see, believe because they see.

00:01:58.560 They don't have faith.

00:01:59.880 So the first thing to realize about that realm is what Ed said,

00:02:02.740 is you do everything by words in that realm.

00:02:06.220 So how good are you at your words?

00:02:08.220 If you're going to go into that realm, you need some training on how to handle your words.

00:02:13.940 And so that's what I was doing.

00:02:15.240 And I started teaching these people how to defend themselves in that realm.

00:02:20.360 They started going into that realm, and all of a sudden, they're like,

00:02:23.360 and now, because here's the thing.

00:02:27.160 If you go into that realm, do you think you should talk to a demon or not?

00:02:30.400 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:02:44.060 News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

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00:02:57.440 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely huge.

00:03:03.340 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

00:03:04.560 There's some Nephilim shit. 0.99

00:03:05.720 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. 0.99

00:03:36.060 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:03:39.340 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:03:42.660 Before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind all of our live viewers that this is going to be a preview.

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00:03:55.320 If you want to continue watching the show and have an ad-free listening experience, you can go to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad.

00:04:02.680 Otherwise, the episode will drop to the general public in a few days.

00:04:06.900 Now, joining us today, back for the umpteenth time, is Ed Mabry.

00:04:11.960 But this time, he has brought a friend along in the form of John Lenhart.

00:04:17.140 Now, gentlemen, can you please let the audience know what it is you do and where they can find your work?

00:04:22.660 And since John is new here, we'll start with him.

00:04:24.620 Well, I'm John Lenhart.

00:04:27.040 I'm really a modeler more than anything.

00:04:29.780 And where you can find my work is basically flowcess.com, F-L-O-W-C-E-S-S.com.

00:04:39.220 Also, modelinggod.com, all one word, modelinggod.com.

00:04:43.840 And then I do a lot of things on LinkedIn.

00:04:46.960 So if you go on LinkedIn and you see John Lenhart, I've written a lot of stuff there.

00:04:51.540 And then I helped a guy from Scotland five, six years ago.

00:04:57.020 And he did 104 videos with me and put them on a channel on YouTube.

00:05:02.240 And the name of the channel is Truth in the 2020s.

00:05:06.080 So there's a lot of free information given away.

00:05:09.260 About almost 104 hours there.

00:05:11.820 So that's the fourth place.

00:05:14.240 Is that the guy on your Instagram?

00:05:16.440 Yeah, Colin Stevenson.

00:05:18.440 Colin also interviewed Ed.

00:05:20.080 Some amazing videos with that, yeah.

00:05:23.060 Awesome, awesome.

00:05:24.480 And Ed, again, tell them where you're at.

00:05:26.080 They know, but tell them.

00:05:27.580 Yeah, the best way to get a hold of me or to reach me to see my stuff is on my website,

00:05:32.080 faithbyreason.net.

00:05:34.140 And in addition to that, I have my YouTube channel, my Rumble channel.

00:05:38.900 With the same, and I'm getting my ex together.

00:05:41.140 I'm trying to get back on X because the email that I used is defunct.

00:05:47.520 So I'm working with him to get my stuff back there because I'm starting to do my short videos.

00:05:50.620 I've put a couple.

00:05:51.200 I'm doing like one a week, one a day during weekdays and just adding some content there.

00:05:56.380 But, yeah, there's tons of information on faithbyreason.net.

00:05:59.200 My Revelation series is on YouTube and Rumble.

00:06:02.800 And so, yeah, that's how you can reach me and see me.

00:06:05.260 This is going to be the last time we have Ed Mabry on.

00:06:08.240 Once he gets on Twitter and sees how terrible Top and I are, he's going to disavow us.

00:06:13.340 And he's never coming back on.

00:06:14.700 I just went viral again for lying to all the people.

00:06:17.580 It's just what I do.

00:06:19.160 They don't deserve any better, in my opinion.

00:06:21.300 If you can't tell the difference between satire and modern news, then, hey, this is a wake-up call for you.

00:06:27.640 But let's get into the episode.

00:06:29.800 So, Ed, you had mentioned John a couple weeks ago.

00:06:33.760 And you were like, you've got to talk to this guy.

00:06:34.980 This guy's amazing.

00:06:35.900 He's somebody I've been talking to for years.

00:06:37.780 So just break it down for us and let the audience know what's going on.

00:06:41.360 Yeah, so John Lenhart is a very good friend of mine.

00:06:44.080 He's not just a friend, a partner, a mentor.

00:06:47.900 We've learned from each other over the years.

00:06:50.060 And he's responsible for a lot of my thought process and the views I have.

00:06:55.560 So if you don't like something I said, blame John.

00:06:58.620 I'm kidding.

00:06:59.460 There we go, guys.

00:07:00.160 All the good stuff is from John.

00:07:01.280 All the other crappy stuff is just from me.

00:07:02.920 John and I met, wow, I think it was around 2007, 2008, actually.

00:07:09.180 And I had just been up here in Northern California for a couple years.

00:07:12.980 I'm trying to get things together in my life, my spiritual life, and things like that.

00:07:18.840 And so I was listening to a Christian radio station with a man by the name of Bob Duco, who I liked him a lot because he's very rational, very reasonable.

00:07:27.340 And, you know, he approaches Christianity from that standpoint.

00:07:31.120 And I hear a promo.

00:07:31.920 He says, you know what?

00:07:32.500 My next guest can prove that God exists in six seconds.

00:07:35.860 I'm like, oh, I got to hear this.

00:07:37.900 So it turns out it's John, and he's talking about his first book, Modeling God.

00:07:41.440 And I'm fascinated.

00:07:42.280 It's really interesting stuff.

00:07:43.940 But then he says something I disagreed with.

00:07:45.720 He gave the definition of love, which I was like, yeah, the definition of love is giving without the expectation of getting anything in return.

00:07:53.100 Like, that's not love.

00:07:54.340 No way.

00:07:54.960 So I go to his blog, his Modeling God blog, which I think is no longer up.

00:07:58.720 But I write him back because, you know me, I'm contrarian.

00:08:02.020 I am the one who will, as you know from, like, the little season stuff I did in the Messiah 2030, if I see something that doesn't make sense, I'm going to go after it.

00:08:09.540 And so I wrote him back.

00:08:10.740 And to my surprise, he responded.

00:08:13.020 And we started talking back and forth.

00:08:15.160 And finally, he said, you know what?

00:08:16.620 Here's my personal email.

00:08:18.040 And I want to start talking to you that way.

00:08:20.380 And we just kind of went from there.

00:08:22.000 And I learned so much about the way the mind and brain works, the way God's will for us, and all these amazing things from John.

00:08:34.080 And I think it led me to reading his book.

00:08:36.800 And we just started vibing after that.

00:08:38.960 You know, John, if you want to pick it up from there.

00:08:41.120 Yeah.

00:08:41.420 So the book, Modeling God, came out on 777.

00:08:45.580 So July 7, 2007, easy date to remember.

00:08:48.300 It's my birthday.

00:08:49.280 Is it really?

00:08:50.080 Yeah.

00:08:50.400 Yeah, that's why I have this 7 tattoo.

00:08:53.240 I was born on the seventh month, seventh day of the week, and seventh day of the month.

00:08:59.520 Wow.

00:09:00.160 That's awesome.

00:09:00.860 It hasn't provided me anything of value.

00:09:03.220 Well, that's going to change now.

00:09:05.440 So what happened was I did that interview on Bob Buco's show in December.

00:09:13.040 And then what happened was he kept using it for, like, these best of shows.

00:09:19.620 So it was basically, I have the date.

00:09:21.940 It was August of 2008.

00:09:25.660 So a year after Modeling God was out, he, Bob Buco, rebroadcast my interview.

00:09:31.320 And that's when Ed heard it.

00:09:33.160 And Ed contacted me.

00:09:34.340 We wrote back and forth.

00:09:35.340 And then we actually met.

00:09:38.020 My wife had a conference in November of 2010.

00:09:44.080 And we had to take the train to get the tram or whatever to get to the hotel.

00:09:52.060 And we were in the last tram before the San Francisco Giants World Series Parade.

00:09:58.580 So I actually got the, our tram went through the parade.

00:10:01.980 People were cheering for us and everything.

00:10:04.100 And I've said, I've been in a World Series Parade.

00:10:07.260 It's awesome.

00:10:08.280 Everybody's waving at you thinking you're someone famous, taking your picture.

00:10:11.180 But we are the last tram through.

00:10:12.740 And then the next day, Ed and I met, you know, in San Francisco, had lunch.

00:10:17.280 And it was just like, we'd been writing two years, but finally got face to face.

00:10:21.740 I was like, I like this guy.

00:10:23.720 He's really smart.

00:10:24.880 He's really strategic and creative, but he's humble.

00:10:27.920 And it's like, I like, I'm not right all the time.

00:10:31.800 I like to throw out ideas.

00:10:33.200 And I want someone to push back on me and show me where something's wrong.

00:10:37.440 Because that's, I want the truth.

00:10:39.220 And the truth will stand up to, you know, confrontation.

00:10:43.600 And so it, I'm not like that.

00:10:46.460 And Ed is like that.

00:10:48.060 And so that's why when we were writing back and forth, I'm like, this is a good guy.

00:10:52.280 This is a guy who's really smart, really creative, and really humble.

00:10:55.060 I can work with this guy.

00:10:56.800 And so that's like, we talked for two years before we ever met.

00:11:00.340 So I want to know, what did he hear?

00:11:04.820 So this is a best of show that they keep playing.

00:11:07.140 And you proved God's existence in six seconds.

00:11:09.220 Like, that's just like glossed over.

00:11:10.400 What did you say?

00:11:12.160 How does this whole thing play out?

00:11:14.160 And why is everyone so mad at you?

00:11:16.460 Great questions.

00:11:17.820 So the way I proved this, there's kind of a funnier story with this is when my book came out, it was around the time that I don't know if you remember this, but Ray Comfort said he could prove God exists in five minutes.

00:11:29.440 And then what happened was he asked for two more minutes.

00:11:32.860 He needed seven minutes.

00:11:34.160 So he couldn't do it in five, but he could do it in seven.

00:11:36.880 And so he was on this nightline, and he did this proof, you know, in seven minutes, and it was all effects.

00:11:42.160 Look at a rose.

00:11:43.160 Look at the stars.

00:11:44.680 Isn't this amazing?

00:11:45.600 And it's like, so I was at the International Christian Retailing Show with my book, and I saw Ray Comfort.

00:11:53.980 You know, he's a short little guy.

00:11:55.140 And I walked over to him.

00:11:56.160 He had like two people with him.

00:11:57.220 And I said, I said, hello.

00:11:59.260 You know, and I shook his hand.

00:12:00.180 I said, Mr. Comfort.

00:12:00.840 I said, I can prove God exists in seven seconds.

00:12:05.060 You know, you took seven minutes.

00:12:06.320 I could do it in seven seconds.

00:12:07.340 And he goes, can you do it here?

00:12:09.640 Or like, he was like basically saying, do you need to go in your car and get something out of your trunk and, you know, have props?

00:12:15.620 I'm like, no, I could do it right here.

00:12:17.100 And I said, everything you see is an effect of a cause, and those causes are effect of other causes, and everything goes back to the first cause.

00:12:26.540 And that first cause is God.

00:12:29.380 And the two people that were with him were like shaking their head like, yeah.

00:12:34.440 And then we all looked at Ray, and Ray went, oh.

00:12:37.500 And he walked away.

00:12:40.380 It was like, I just gave you the proof of a first cause.

00:12:45.280 The issue is, is what is God's identity?

00:12:49.460 So the problem that people have and what started me down this road is there was a professor in North Carolina who used to say, I can prove God doesn't exist.

00:12:58.520 Tell me God's identity.

00:12:59.920 And people would say, God's merciful and just.

00:13:02.340 And then the professor would go, well, then how would God handle a convict, a felon, a criminal?

00:13:10.340 If he's all the time merciful, he's got to let him go.

00:13:12.860 If he's all the time just, he's got to punish him.

00:13:15.340 He can't do both.

00:13:16.480 God doesn't exist.

00:13:17.340 And what I did was I said, there's two questions there.

00:13:20.480 There's God's existence and God's identity.

00:13:23.660 So what I would do is I would say to people, let's deal with his existence first.

00:13:27.780 And that's the first cause.

00:13:29.200 Causality proves the existence of first cause.

00:13:32.020 You could call that first cause God, the universe, you know, force.

00:13:36.000 I don't care what you call it, but there had to be a first cause.

00:13:40.200 Now, what's the identity of that first cause?

00:13:43.220 And that's what modeling God did. 1.00

00:13:44.900 And the reason why this is so, so important, and I didn't learn a lot of this until after I wrote modeling God, but basically, John Knox in Scotland in the 1500s became a hyper-Calvinist.

00:14:01.640 And he basically said, you know, God's figured out everything ahead of time and, you know, we don't have a free will.

00:14:09.860 And there's a massive contradiction with that.

00:14:13.380 So we started punishing people and just really destroyed, you know, society.

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00:15:19.020 And then 200 years later, George MacDonald is a Scottish guy, and he's got the same uniqueness as me.

00:15:26.180 It's called Administrator Teacher.

00:15:27.520 He wants to coordinate a group by explaining stuff.

00:15:30.240 He wanted to figure out who God was.

00:15:32.260 He got a degree in engineering and science, just like me.

00:15:34.640 I have a degree in chemistry and chemical engineering.

00:15:36.520 And he was trying to figure out who God was.

00:15:40.640 And then what happened was when he couldn't explain it, he wrote all these stories to illustrate who God was.

00:15:48.020 And he ended up being the greatest Scottish author of all time.

00:15:52.120 He influenced J.R.R. Tolkien, Lewis Carroll, and C.S. Lewis.

00:15:56.120 And C.S. Lewis said, George MacDonald's the master.

00:15:59.080 He goes, I have never written anything that didn't mention George MacDonald.

00:16:03.000 C.S. Lewis was trying to explain who God was.

00:16:05.780 And when he couldn't, he followed in MacDonald's footsteps and wrote all these stories.

00:16:09.800 Then after Lewis died, his last book published.

00:16:13.820 It was called The Discarded Image, 1964.

00:16:15.880 And that book said, we have to come up with a model, capital M, for God.

00:16:23.740 It needs to be concise.

00:16:26.900 And then the effects need to cover everything.

00:16:29.480 So he wanted a nice, short, understandable model that made sense.

00:16:33.800 And the effects covered everything.

00:16:36.440 And what happened was, he wrote that in 64 and said, we really needed that.

00:16:40.560 A.W. Tozer said in 63, every time the church in America goes into eclipse,

00:16:45.180 it's because they can't explain who God was.

00:16:47.640 So if you look at the start of the 60s, understanding who God was became important.

00:16:52.720 In 1966, you know, Nietzsche and nihilism and all this stuff took over.

00:16:57.580 And the cover for Time Magazine was, is God dead?

00:17:02.560 And so they couldn't explain that.

00:17:05.640 Christians couldn't explain that. 1.00

00:17:06.700 So in 1969, so here's the conspiracy part.

00:17:09.220 In 1969, the church in America embraced what's known as the Godless Christianity Movement.

00:17:17.680 So everybody who's become a pastor since 1969 in America has embraced this belief that we can't explain who God is.

00:17:27.320 So it's called the Godless Christianity Movement. 0.89

00:17:30.380 And the church has fallen apart since 1969.

00:17:33.180 In 2009, Newsweek Magazine had their cover story 40 years later across, and it said, the death of the church in America.

00:17:41.480 And they explain in there that that's what they believe happened.

00:17:46.080 Is in 1969, the church in America embraces Godless Christianity Movement, which they couldn't explain who God was.

00:17:52.700 And they started focusing on Jesus.

00:17:54.140 The problem is, is Jesus is fully man, fully God.

00:17:56.520 So now you need a definition for God and a definition for man.

00:17:59.260 They've actually made it worse.

00:18:00.940 So what I did was I came up with the explanation for who God was.

00:18:05.140 God is right and just.

00:18:07.380 Right.

00:18:07.880 Again, just to jump in there, two things.

00:18:10.440 First of all, you know, I was raised in that same environment.

00:18:12.840 You know, I was born in the 70s.

00:18:15.260 And, you know, that was when the Jesus Movement happened. 0.65

00:18:17.860 And as John said, it was a response to the Godless Christianity Movement because people could not, because they couldn't define God. 0.52

00:18:24.920 And, you know, in the 60s, you know, the counterculture, all that stuff was happening.

00:18:28.980 And people were asking those classic questions.

00:18:30.600 You know, if God is good, why is there evil in the world?

00:18:32.800 You know, why is God so judgmental in the Old Testament?

00:18:35.500 But Jesus is this sweet, nice guy in the New Testament.

00:18:38.280 So they said, well, and instead of addressing it head on, the church just said, God, God, we can't define him.

00:18:44.540 He's just, he's so much bigger than us that we can't think about, understand him as human forms.

00:18:50.140 And that's why every time you see God portrayed in the media, he's like just some beam of light or some cloud or nothing because people are like, well, we can't, we can't define him.

00:18:58.660 And they think that that makes them more holy, more reverent.

00:19:01.160 No, it's actually the opposite.

00:19:02.700 I mean, if you, if someone, if you claim to love someone and someone claims to love you and you can't define them, that doesn't make you more holy.

00:19:08.520 That doesn't make you closer to them.

00:19:09.800 That actually gets you further away.

00:19:11.060 And I was raised in that environment.

00:19:13.060 That was one of the reasons that I resisted at first, what John was saying, and what we went and had our back and forths because he, in modeling God, which I will explain in a moment, he came down, he put God into, he defined God.

00:19:25.060 Well, you can't define God.

00:19:26.160 That was my thought.

00:19:26.900 You can't.

00:19:27.840 But, you know, as usual, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into understanding that not only can God be defined, but he wants to be.

00:19:35.080 God wants to be known.

00:19:36.260 And, and that is the opposite of what a lot of folks say, that God is unknowable.

00:19:41.020 No, no, no.

00:19:41.460 God wants, he desires greatly to be known.

00:19:45.820 And that's, that's so important.

00:19:48.120 So the thing is, though, is that, is that I write this book.

00:19:52.480 Ed starts, you know, he also was this Calvinist, like, because part of that belief is being a Calvinist.

00:19:58.860 So he's arguing at me that you can't know God.

00:20:01.820 He's arguing me about love.

00:20:02.840 He's arguing me about Calvinism.

00:20:04.320 He's really smart.

00:20:05.480 He's making good points.

00:20:06.960 And he's making me take my game up.

00:20:10.000 So as much as he could sit there and go, oh, I was wrong.

00:20:14.520 And he's kicking and, you know, John pulled me kicking and screaming.

00:20:17.940 I got better because of the interaction with that.

00:20:21.960 So I feel like I owe Ed.

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00:20:49.180 You know, because all of a sudden now I'm feeling more confident taking other people on.

00:20:59.380 And Ed's feel like he owes me because I'm helping him get on track.

00:21:03.580 But it was, that's the way Ed and I have always been.

00:21:05.660 And it's like, hey, even though I was right, he made me understand all these small little connections.

00:21:11.940 And all of a sudden the model I'd presented in modeling God just got tighter because of him pushing me.

00:21:18.280 It's like, yeah, you need meaningful pushback.

00:21:22.540 I did that accidentally to my Sunday school teacher.

00:21:25.040 I probably told the story episodes ago with Ed.

00:21:28.620 But yeah, I would always question her.

00:21:29.980 And it would sometimes get to the point of annoyance with her.

00:21:32.440 I can tell, but she had to go back, read, and then come back to me the next week and tell me what the answer was.

00:21:38.740 But I wanted to just track back a little bit.

00:21:41.220 It might be a little diversion from the subject here.

00:21:44.120 What's the name of the guy that wrote this book that you said inspired, or he's the writer that inspired Tolkien and C.S. Lewis?

00:21:51.440 George MacDonald is the name of the writer.

00:21:54.640 Okay, because I've been, I mean, we talk about CERN.

00:21:59.080 We talk about crazy stuff like this.

00:22:00.800 It's not really crazy.

00:22:01.580 They're doing it.

00:22:02.700 But there's this idea of portals.

00:22:04.360 There's this idea of this other dimension.

00:22:06.720 When you're talking about, like, the show Stranger Things, the upside down, Tolkien in, I think, The Lord of the Rings.

00:22:15.040 Yeah, Tolkien in The Lord of the Rings talks about this kind of, like, other world.

00:22:20.240 C.S. Lewis in Narnia, he's talking about a portal when you go through that closet, right?

00:22:24.640 This upside down.

00:22:25.580 And then this is all happening at the backdrop of the 60s, where we have this LSD movement happening.

00:22:33.340 You have drugs being introduced by the government, and then you get the hippie movement, the free love stuff.

00:22:38.260 And then all of a sudden, you get the death of God that follows right after.

00:22:41.740 So I don't know where to put any of that stuff, but all of these things don't sit right with me.

00:22:47.180 It sounds like they're connected.

00:22:48.780 Oh, this is amazing.

00:22:50.520 This is a – do we go behind the wall now?

00:22:53.680 How much love?

00:22:54.500 Because we're going to start getting into the good stuff right now.

00:22:58.880 Before you get into the good stuff, because I wanted to clarify this.

00:23:02.040 When we talk about God's identity, causality proves his existence.

00:23:06.520 You know, for every effect, there is a cause, and a cause is greater than and independent of the effect.

00:23:11.100 The universe is in effect.

00:23:12.220 Whatever caused it, the universe is greater than and outside of it, and that's God.

00:23:15.520 That's his existence.

00:23:16.940 His identity, when John said he's always a completely right and just, that's because right and just are causeless principles.

00:23:23.200 The only things we know that can exist that way and affect the – that are not material but can affect the material world are principles.

00:23:33.740 And the two principles that are causeless, that need no precedent causes, are right and just, righteousness and justice.

00:23:39.180 And that's who God is.

00:23:40.160 He's always completely right and just, and everything else about him, mercy, love, compassion, all those are effects of him being always a completely right and just.

00:23:50.220 And that's what modeling God put out, and that's what people, including myself at first, rebelled against, saying, you can't put God into that box.

00:23:56.520 No, God puts himself into that.

00:23:58.480 God defines himself that way, and then all the effects are based on him being right and just.

00:24:03.700 So I think it's really important that listeners know that.

00:24:05.700 It's interesting that you should say that, Ed, because I didn't have a religious upbringing, and I was never atheist.

00:24:09.540 And I guess I was more agnostic, and I don't even know if I'm necessarily using the term in the right context or the right definition.

00:24:15.840 But my take on it when I was younger was I just don't know.

00:24:19.380 I don't have the information.

00:24:20.840 I can't make an educated decision.

00:24:22.660 But I would use that same argument, you can't possibly know or define God, to dismiss people who would make a caricature of, like, the Old Testament God.

00:24:34.220 We've talked about that on the Book of Revelation series before, how people will create a straw man or a caricature of God, and he's this unjust tyrant who's killing all these people and doing all these horrible things.

00:24:47.880 And even though I had never read the Old Testament and I had no real context, I would lean on that idea of, like, well, who are we to claim that we can understand the nature of God?

00:24:59.340 Now, that being said, that was at a time where the way that I would sort of rationalize things was, like, the first law of thermodynamics, right?

00:25:06.440 You cannot create or destroy energy.

00:25:09.120 It can only change form.

00:25:10.140 And so I would say, well, at the very least, and it kind of goes back to what you were just saying about this amorphous cloud that is God or something like this energy.

00:25:17.360 I would go, well, if you can't create or destroy energy, maybe there's a source of energy.

00:25:22.720 Maybe we return, you know, and that was kind of the basis of my understanding without any biblical text or background in that way.

00:25:29.560 And so – but now – because I almost did kind of caricaturize God as, like, well, then maybe God – at the very least, God can be a cloud of energy that we all return to.

00:25:39.680 This is with no biblical context whatsoever.

00:25:41.300 After doing this show, Nephilim Death Squad, but also in particular the Friday's Book of Revelation series with you, I am very much identifying that this is like a hermetic principle of as above, so below.

00:25:54.580 To an extent, it seems we can attribute some of our own personalities in such a way as to relate to God because we're made in his image.

00:26:04.880 And as I'm listening to all of this information, I see a personality unfolding.

00:26:09.060 I see a character.

00:26:12.580 Like, it's not a cloud with no personality that just, like, burps forward energy into the universe and then we return.

00:26:20.740 It's like, why would we be – and I'll dismount from this – but why would we be so dynamic in our personalities and our emotion and our connectivity and our love for one another and see none of those sentiments echoed in God?

00:26:35.040 Or rather that we are more than likely an echo of God?

00:26:39.120 Dave Raven, you are planting so many seeds that the Patreons are going to love because John – one of the things he's helped me with and helped tons of people with is understanding who we are outside of context.

00:26:52.200 Unlike all these things like Myers-Briggs and all these different personality tests and things like that that tell you who you are in certain situations, John, through the Bible and through his understanding of God and his engineering background has shown, has given us what he calls – I'll let you run with this – the intangible drivers.

00:27:08.500 It's who we are always, and it's helped heal me and a lot of other people, but I know – but we'll get to that.

00:27:16.000 But John, I want you to –

00:27:17.240 Okay, so we're going to do the portal thing for sure, but it's going to be – it's going to be after this thing.

00:27:23.040 I'm writing that down.

00:27:23.760 I'm writing down portals, revisiting.

00:27:25.080 No, we're going to do that, but Raven, you – like Ed just said, you just like – man, you just – that was a hit list, okay?

00:27:31.740 So let me make – let me see if I can tie all those loose ends off because you made like four great points there, okay?

00:27:38.200 So first of all, you're right about God having a definite personality, and when you understand God – there's a verse in Jeremiah that says – God says, if you're going to brag about anything, brag that you know and understand God.

00:27:51.360 So all these people saying we can't know and understand God are literally saying the opposite of what God said you should understand.

00:27:56.540 And when you do understand God's nature and then his personality, the Bible comes alive.

00:28:03.540 So the two benefits to reading modeling God is you are going to hear from God more often and clearer, and you're going to understand the Bible.

00:28:13.220 So I always say modeling God isn't going to heal you.

00:28:17.180 God talking to you directly and reading his word is going to heal you, but modeling God is going to set you up to be able to do those – both of those.

00:28:26.000 So that's really the value of modeling God.

00:28:28.520 You know, when the book went out of print, you know, two years ago, it was selling on Amazon in Europe for $100, $140 US, because people suddenly went, wait a minute, they're having this portal experience.

00:28:41.260 That's why we're going to talk about this, because what's going on in Europe is a portal experience right now.

00:28:45.180 And they were having that, and they were looking for somebody to explain God, and then word got out that this is the only book that explains God, and everybody was doing that.

00:28:52.540 The other thing is what Ed said is you're going to learn who you are.

00:28:56.580 So the two things I always say to people is I talk to people until they say they wish they understood who they were or they wish they understood who God is, because I can say to you, do you want to understand God?

00:29:08.520 I can explain God.

00:29:09.560 Do you want to understand who you are?

00:29:11.240 I can explain who you are.

00:29:12.340 So those are the two ways that people get kind of hooked into all this.

00:29:16.480 Now, going back to right and just, and you said about agnostic, which is, I believe God exists, but I can't explain who God is.

00:29:24.860 The thing is, is every religion believes their God is right and just.

00:29:30.540 There's no religion that goes, oh, my God's wrong. 1.00

00:29:34.000 Oh, my God's a jerk. 1.00

00:29:35.840 He's unfair. 1.00

00:29:36.660 So if you think about it, every religion starts with God is right and just.

00:29:42.760 Now, everything they add to their religion after that has to not contradict that point.

00:29:50.520 And when there's a contradiction, it's not the religion, it's the believer.

00:29:56.620 So that's the point I make.

00:29:58.940 So I'm not going to sit here and say, because modeling God could have been written about any religion.

00:30:03.740 I could have written modeling God, you know, and gone through another religion.

00:30:08.580 It just would have been this much thicker.

00:30:10.660 The Bible is just so specific that I could just point to the examples and it's without contradiction when you look at it the right way.

00:30:19.700 You give me another book and I'm going to show you what it has to be.

00:30:24.860 And then it's up to you, the believer, whether you're going to embrace the contradiction.

00:30:28.900 So I have people going, why didn't you do it with my religion?

00:30:31.680 Well, the Christians didn't like that I did it with their religion. 0.95

00:30:36.460 And that's the thing.

00:30:37.700 It's like, you wish I'd done this with your religion? 1.00

00:30:39.940 Have you seen the Christians? 0.84

00:30:41.500 So there was, there was, at the time modeling God came out, there was a guy who was in charge of one of the biggest campus crusade, you know, Christian ministries.

00:30:50.900 And he said, there are 10 to 20 million Christians in church wanting to go deeper.

00:30:55.780 So I put modeling God out, which helped them go deeper.

00:30:58.840 They don't want to go deeper.

00:31:00.280 They want something that reinforces what they already believe.

00:31:04.480 And if it makes them uncomfortable, they lashed out.

00:31:07.240 So that's what happened is people lashed out at my book.

00:31:10.760 I got attacked by a group of pastors.

00:31:13.220 They did some unbelievable things that are such an amazing story and a ridiculous story that I finally agreed last year that someone can make a documentary out of it.

00:31:24.500 When people hear the whole story, they would come up to me and say, do we make a documentary out of it?

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00:31:56.980 And I go, no.

00:32:01.220 Last year, I finally said, yeah.

00:32:03.300 So there's going to be a documentary that comes out next year on my story.

00:32:08.900 What happened?

00:32:09.920 What these pastors did.

00:32:12.060 You know, one of these pastors who attacked me ended up killing himself.

00:32:14.820 Wow.

00:32:15.260 And one of these pastors ended up attacking another pastor for not killing himself because I helped him not kill himself.

00:32:22.820 I mean, there's, again, that's a whole other story.

00:32:25.580 But it's like what happened in response to modeling God is pastors did so many abusive and ungodly things that here it is 15 years later.

00:32:37.300 They do not want to admit it.

00:32:39.820 So the documentarian has reached out to over 100 people who slandered me on overmodeling God, and none of them will appear on camera to say what they've said.

00:32:50.460 They want to pretend like this never happened because people really did get help, and these people blocked people from getting help.

00:32:58.360 Final thing I want to say to close the loop on what you said, Raven, is atheists knew the definition of God.

00:33:05.720 Because what atheists said in the 60s is, God doesn't exist.

00:33:10.400 Why?

00:33:10.900 Well, look around.

00:33:12.300 Things aren't right.

00:33:13.500 Things aren't fair.

00:33:15.320 So they had the definition.

00:33:18.000 The thing is, is right and just exist even if things aren't right and just.

00:33:23.440 So atheists were saying God is right and just, and I don't see things right and just, so God must not exist because if God did exist, then he could make stuff happen.

00:33:32.980 So the last point I'll make, and then we'll go to the portals, is there's four measures for a model for God, and every model fails at least one of these four measures.

00:33:45.260 Modeling God gives the definition of God and then shows all the effects.

00:33:51.060 Like by the second or third chapter of Modeling God, you get the answer who God is.

00:33:55.520 It takes the rest of the book to do what Ed says is to pull everything together so it fills it out.

00:34:01.660 And in filling all that out, it explains the problem of evil.

00:34:05.620 It explains why God gets involved or doesn't get involved.

00:34:09.060 It explains God's effects, how they correlate to his causes, and it's logically consistent.

00:34:15.080 Modeling God presents the only model that clears all four of these hurdles.

00:34:19.500 You would think that would make people believe it.

00:34:22.060 It being right and proven and irrefutable made people matter.

00:34:27.800 And that's the part that threw me 17 years ago.

00:34:30.300 Do you want to tell them those four areas before we jump off?

00:34:34.260 Well, there's a logical consistency.

00:34:36.380 You know, like I said with the guy, all the time, you know, merciful, all the time, just.

00:34:40.980 Right and just.

00:34:41.660 One's qualitative, one's quantitative, so they can't contradict each other.

00:34:44.940 Anything else you add to God is either going to limit or contradict right or just.

00:34:49.700 The second thing is the effects have to correlate the causes.

00:34:53.020 Ed already did a good job.

00:34:53.980 If you make right and just the guiding factors, then it explains when God loves him, when he

00:34:58.760 doesn't, when he shows mercy, when he doesn't.

00:35:01.720 This problem of evil, how come evil exists?

00:35:05.280 You know, and the reason is, is that God is resting.

00:35:09.400 On the seventh day, God ceased from the occupation of being a first cause.

00:35:14.360 So when you read the Bible, the first six days, God's acting as a first cause.

00:35:18.380 God said, let there be light.

00:35:19.500 Why did he say, let there be light?

00:35:23.780 He just, he just said it.

00:35:26.100 Yeah.

00:35:26.380 He was a first cause.

00:35:27.720 After the sixth day, every time God did something, there's a reason given.

00:35:34.080 Every time.

00:35:35.940 So God switched.

00:35:37.200 The resting means ceasing from the occupation of being a first cause.

00:35:39.920 So God allowed us to be a first cause on the seventh day.

00:35:43.480 God is working in response.

00:35:46.100 So evil, we can do evil.

00:35:48.140 We can bring evil into this world.

00:35:50.260 God's going to work in response.

00:35:51.600 And then when does God get involved, not get involved?

00:35:53.780 It's in response to justice.

00:35:55.340 So throughout the Bible, if you're on the right side of justice, God moves for you.

00:35:59.820 If you're on the wrong side of justice, God moves against you.

00:36:02.840 If you're right in the middle, God doesn't do anything.

00:36:06.020 So modeling God explains all of that.

00:36:09.300 And it, and in doing that, it clears all four hurdles.

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00:37:42.200 That could actually answer the question I probably asked you, Ed.

00:37:46.320 It's like, why do all of these entities obey a certain...

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00:38:22.320 Like these spiritual boundaries, the idea of consent.

00:38:26.000 And that's probably why they're like, they know that if they do something that's completely unjust, God moves.

00:38:31.400 So they have to at least feign the appearance of, you know, I have obeyed this sort of rule.

00:38:38.720 Stay in your spot for now.

00:38:40.500 Let, you know, these people have consented to X, Y, Z.

00:38:43.300 Therefore, I can do this.

00:38:44.560 And then God's kind of like, I guess, rest?

00:38:47.180 I don't know.

00:38:48.260 What do you think about that?

00:38:50.200 Do you want to go, Ed?

00:38:50.780 Sure.

00:38:51.260 Sure.

00:38:51.800 So I don't know how deeply we covered this in one of our earlier episodes or earlier talks, but you talked about raving the so-called hermetic principle of as well above, so below.

00:39:02.780 So you can call it hermetic principle.

00:39:03.740 It's actually, it's a spiritual law.

00:39:05.760 That all entities, all spiritual entities, all Elohim have to obey because, not because they're necessarily trying to be right and just like God, but because that's the only way they can affect what happens in the material realm.

00:39:17.520 And that is that you speak words.

00:39:21.440 That's how God brought the universe to existence.

00:39:24.040 He spoke words, vibrations.

00:39:25.340 We talked about this during the Speed of Light episode.

00:39:27.600 I think the person I was on with you guys, that when you get down to the subatomic level of quarks, which make up protons and neutrons in the atom, when you get down, they're vibrations.

00:39:36.120 So we know that everything in this material is a vibration.

00:39:39.860 They're words.

00:39:40.620 So you have to speak words in one realm so that they manifest in the other realm.

00:39:45.260 So basically, when an Elohim, good or evil, speaks something in a spiritual realm, it can then manifest. 0.90

00:39:52.740 And it's going to manifest.

00:39:54.100 But that is the rule.

00:39:54.820 So that's why, for example, we talk about in the book of Daniel, when Daniel sees those four beasts that represent the four world empires through which they're going to bring about their plan, they speak it into existence.

00:40:05.980 It's going to be Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, then Rome. 0.94

00:40:10.380 And then at the end of Rome, we're going to bring in our Antichrist, we call the Antichrist.

00:40:14.900 We're going to bring him in, and he is going to set up the world the way we, the fallen Elohim, want it to be. 1.00

00:40:20.580 They spoke it.

00:40:21.520 It has to happen.

00:40:22.360 So that's why God could judge it in Daniel and say, okay, I see what you guys have done.

00:40:27.380 You spoke in your will.

00:40:28.400 Now I'm responding, and I'm speaking my will, and I'm going to have Jesus, the son of man riding on the cloud, come in and inherit those nations.

00:40:35.980 So that's already done.

00:40:37.480 It's beta complete.

00:40:38.440 The rest of the Bible is just all that playing out from the birth of Jesus, through his reign, through the end of Revelation, which we'll talk about it somewhere tomorrow when we talk about Armageddon.

00:40:49.020 Well, yeah, tomorrow, relatively speaking, in our next episode.

00:40:53.220 So the point is that they have to obey those rules because they are trying, the fallen Elohim are trying to affect the world, in the material world, and they have to say it before it happens. 1.00

00:41:03.660 That's the whole reason behind predictive programming, which is, you know, the conspiracy world knows all about that.

00:41:08.340 Like, why do these evil people, the elites and the Elohim that they worship, why do they tell us what they're going to do before they do it? 1.00

00:41:16.060 It's not because they're trying to be fair.

00:41:17.580 It's because they have to.

00:41:19.080 If they want it to manifest, they have to speak it.

00:41:21.380 I was having an interesting conversation with my son yesterday.

00:41:25.380 This is a little bit off topic, but I was trying to explain to him this idea of consent and these spiritual laws and how, you know, there are tropes within his cartoons of people signing their soul away on the dotted line or something like that.

00:41:40.460 Right. There's a game that you like to play called Cuphead.

00:41:43.160 And in the game, I believe there's like a deal with the devil.

00:41:45.580 It's like an old timey sort of Betty Boop style animation video game.

00:41:50.320 And and it starts with a deal with the devil.

00:41:53.140 And, you know, he signs on this contract and everything.

00:41:55.400 And I said, now, that's that's a cartoon version of what that consent looks like.

00:42:00.540 You allow these things through through, you know, adherence to law to be able to influence you one way or the other, however they see fit.

00:42:10.840 But in in the real world, our consent is much more diverse than than signing on the line.

00:42:17.240 Right. It's it's attention possibly that you give to a thing, veneration that you give to a thing, willingness to engage with the thing.

00:42:25.060 It's like even even the Ouija board, which is a great example, I think people can wrap their head around.

00:42:29.520 It's like what you've done here is you've given consent to open dialogue.

00:42:34.740 And that's literally spiritual warfare. Right.

00:42:37.360 We're talking about the word and and how it manifests things.

00:42:40.740 And so it's like, oh, I'm just having a conversation.

00:42:43.580 There's no such thing as just having a conversation, especially with the spiritual entity.

00:42:46.960 In fact, what you've done is you've given a plethora of consents.

00:42:51.760 You've given this thing access to you in ways that you don't even understand.

00:42:54.720 But it goes beyond that. Right. It's I even had to talk to him about the posters of like Super Mario on his wall.

00:43:00.620 And I was like, not for nothing. And I know that we bought you these things, but it is something to consider.

00:43:04.940 This is a form of idolatry. Right.

00:43:06.680 You have this thing on your wall that you're you're looking towards.

00:43:10.720 You're giving veneration. You play the video game to you want to go see the movie.

00:43:14.340 All of a sudden, this fictional character is what you're dumping your energy into.

00:43:18.660 And I was just trying to explain to him the complexities of all the different ways in which we give consent.

00:43:23.880 It's not just dotted line. But but but all of this is legalese.

00:43:27.540 All of this is that it seems one of the things that I've really come to terms with through this.

00:43:32.460 This show that we're doing is the spiritual realm is so much more.

00:43:36.600 And this goes once again to the as above, so below. Right.

00:43:38.880 A spiritual principle, I think, is a much better way of putting it than her hermetic.

00:43:42.260 But we we do kind of allow ourselves and I, you know, to go back to how I fell into this during agnosticism, it's it's almost like, oh, well, we couldn't even possibly imagine what the spiritual realm is like.

00:43:59.060 And in a way, I was using that to defend the legitimacy of spiritual warfare against the naysayers who were very short sighted and we're looking at this as a caricature. 0.94

00:44:10.040 But in reality, it's it seems we can.

00:44:14.400 It actually is very similar to the realm that we inhabit right now.

00:44:18.860 OK, so that was amazing, Raven.

00:44:22.500 So here's the thing. My answer to how the spiritual realm work would actually take me back to portals.

00:44:29.420 OK, so I'm going to show you now the difference between me and Ed.

00:44:33.540 So I'm going to start back at portals and work my way back to what you guys just said, which was which is dead on.

00:44:38.660 But I'm going to I'm going to bring context. OK, so here's the thing is is portals exist.

00:44:44.560 OK, and they're in the Bible. Jacob's ladder is a portal.

00:44:47.820 If you look in the Bible, that's a portal. How else would you explain that?

00:44:53.420 He's he's there. This is a spot where, you know, the angels are coming up and down the ladder into this realm.

00:45:00.160 So if anybody's got a problem with the term portal, you know, that's like they call it a door.

00:45:06.440 They call it whatever portals exist. OK.

00:45:08.660 I happen to believe that there's a portal in Scotland and and it's in what would be called Caledonia.

00:45:18.880 If you notice, the U.K. got conquered by Rome up to a certain line.

00:45:24.040 OK, a certain wall north of that. Rome did not conquer that area.

00:45:28.940 It's Caledonia. It's interesting if you and again, this would be something that Ed would do.

00:45:33.300 So I'm just doing big facts here. You can look at this.

00:45:35.760 But St. Andrew, Scotland is really an interesting place because they took St. Andrew's bones to Scotland.

00:45:44.260 He's the patron saint because Andrew was Peter's brother.

00:45:48.640 OK, and so there's a lot of things going on in Scotland that are really interesting.

00:45:52.540 I happen to leave the portal there. I happen to believe it was closed with John Knox in the 1500s.

00:45:58.280 I think I think that's when you stop seeing all these miracles and everything going on.

00:46:02.200 I believe that that's what, you know, that needed to be opened up and this dealing with the spirit of Calvinism.

00:46:09.280 My second book, Milding God's Wills, destroys Calvinism.

00:46:13.600 The reason why people can embrace Calvinism is no one's given a non-contradictory answer.

00:46:18.140 So they could go look at all these Calvinists believe something that they know there's contradictions,

00:46:23.480 but they're going, your belief has a contradiction.

00:46:25.900 Maybe mine will work out someday.

00:46:28.180 Milding God's Wills gives from the Bible the explanation of how God's will works.

00:46:31.800 It's not Calvinism.

00:46:33.420 John, I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm actually unfamiliar with the like the tenets of Calvinism.

00:46:37.720 What is it? What is the can you give me a brief explanation of it?

00:46:41.020 Yeah, yeah. Basically, God has already decided who's getting saved, who's not getting saved.

00:46:47.200 And you can't resist it.

00:46:48.940 And he's already figured out ahead of time what's going on.

00:46:51.700 And we're just walking through.

00:46:53.360 So it's like predeterminism, predeterminism.

00:46:55.740 Yeah, determinism. It's all of that.

00:46:57.520 And there's all these contradictions.

00:46:58.980 If you think about the biggest contradiction, it's, hey, Raven, you better do good works to prove that God picked you.

00:47:05.820 Wait, if he picked me, there's nothing I could do. 1.00

00:47:08.500 I can act like an idiot. 1.00

00:47:09.600 I'm still going to heaven, right? 1.00

00:47:11.500 And then they beat you for not acting good.

00:47:14.480 Well, you make it sound like I have a choice.

00:47:18.960 When Modeling God came out, before Modeling God came out, we helped over 50 people get off antidepressants.

00:47:24.660 All of them were Calvinists.

00:47:27.320 Calvinism causes a thought process that's going to lead to a contradiction, leads to depression.

00:47:32.760 The way we help people off of antidepressants is we taught them, you know, who God is and how God brings about his will.

00:47:40.500 And then they got rid of that contradiction.

00:47:43.480 So my point is, is they've been trying to open up this portal into Scotland this whole time.

00:47:49.500 Now, about three or four years ago, I started getting all these people from the UK contacting me, and they were seeing into that other realm.

00:48:04.980 So now here's the thing.

00:48:06.000 So you want to talk about the LSD movement.

00:48:08.360 The thing is, is...

00:48:10.160 Wait, you said people were contacting you and saying that they were seeing into this other realm?

00:48:14.820 So these are, this is testimony from individuals that, what puts you on their radar?

00:48:20.900 You had been discussing this already, and they said, this is something that I've actually experienced?

00:48:25.540 It was a combination of, they felt they were supposed to reach out to me, and they saw that I had an explanation for Modeling God.

00:48:35.300 And so I'm going to jump back to the 60s and work my way up today.

00:48:38.360 So the thing about a hallucinogen, okay, is you have a program running in your brain that is connected to the spiritual realm.

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00:49:19.020 But you are running your conscious brain, you know, and control and seeing a wall.

00:49:27.320 When you take a hallucinogen, what it does is it weakens your conscious brain and allows that other program to run.

00:49:38.280 Well, it weakens your agency.

00:49:41.380 So when people take a hallucinogen and you talk to them, what do they say?

00:49:46.960 You know, I saw this.

00:49:48.680 I felt this.

00:49:50.200 I did this.

00:49:51.260 Well, why didn't you say this?

00:49:52.680 Why didn't you do that?

00:49:53.420 And they're like, no, I just was.

00:49:58.760 And it's like, you're trying to tell them to have agency.

00:50:02.340 They don't have agency because that's how they got into that realm.

00:50:06.400 Okay.

00:50:07.260 The thing is, is there are people who can get into that realm and retain their agency.

00:50:15.500 Astral projection or...

00:50:17.420 All of that stuff.

00:50:18.500 And so here's the thing, people get really upset when I talk about this, but when you go into the Bible, there's people doing this.

00:50:27.300 Ezekiel is here and now he's over here.

00:50:30.160 You know, how do you explain these things that happen in the Bible?

00:50:34.420 So what happened is, is there are these people, we call them the prophets in the Bible, and they have these hallucinations or visions.

00:50:42.920 The difference between a vision and a dream is you're just awake for a vision.

00:50:48.980 Your brain does the same thing.

00:50:51.300 When you dream, you're hallucinating.

00:50:53.820 When you're having a vision, you're hallucinating in a sense, but you're seeing into that realm and retaining your agency.

00:50:59.740 So if people were going to get that in the 60s, they were going to see this other realm.

00:51:06.300 So Colin wrote a book, Truth in the 2020s, and the point he makes about hallucinogenics is this.

00:51:13.920 Taking a hallucinogenic isn't going to cure you of your PTSD or your depression and all that stuff.

00:51:20.560 It's your response to having taken that.

00:51:26.420 So that's where the drug companies and stuff want to try to magic mushrooms and all this stuff.

00:51:31.240 Like they want to turn it into, you know, a pill for every ill type of thing.

00:51:35.980 But the reality is, is if you hear the story about people who took hallucinogenics, they take it, they realize there's a greater reality.

00:51:43.200 Then when they come back to this reality, they go, I better get my stuff together.

00:51:47.180 And it's their decision, their response to having seen that, that heals them.

00:51:52.140 It's not the mushroom or the LSD.

00:51:55.380 Well, people were seeing that in the 60s and you can't make people, you can't make money off of people.

00:52:03.220 So Raven, the ultimate answer that I'm going to get to that you're trying to explain to your son and what you signed to deal with the devil is when you start valuing money in the physical.

00:52:11.760 When you start valuing money, you start changing your thought process.

00:52:17.280 And at some point you can't come back.

00:52:19.700 Solomon did that in the Bible.

00:52:21.480 If you read Ecclesiastes, he, by the end of that book goes, look it, I know I'm supposed to do God's will and do what God says.

00:52:31.920 But I'm unable to do it because my brain has been wired.

00:52:35.620 And 400 years after he dies, another king has to take down all the idols he did to all these false gods.

00:52:43.960 So he never did it.

00:52:46.040 He knew it, but he couldn't bring himself to do it because his thought process was so wrecked.

00:52:50.720 And that's when you really sign a deal with the devil.

00:52:53.020 What you do is you embrace all the tangible things the Elohim can give you.

00:52:57.680 And then you rewire your brain and you value that so much that you can't value an intangible being, which God is.

00:53:04.520 And that's how you really, what does it look like to sign over?

00:53:07.400 It's what you said.

00:53:08.000 It's worship.

00:53:08.840 You become what you worship.

00:53:10.880 There's only one being that can handle worship.

00:53:13.540 None of us can handle it.

00:53:15.480 And if you become what you worship, wouldn't God be doing you a favor to say, worship me?

00:53:23.540 Because you become more like him.

00:53:24.900 So God's not saying worship me because I'm jealous and I'm evil and I don't want this.

00:53:32.400 God's going, I'm doing you a favor.

00:53:33.800 Worship me.

00:53:34.700 Because first of all, I'm the only being that can handle it.

00:53:36.500 And second of all, it's a benefit to you.

00:53:38.460 So the veneration, everything you said, Raven, was dead on.

00:53:41.060 The minute you start venerating or worshiping something, you're going to become like that thing.

00:53:45.960 Because that's the way your brain works.

00:53:47.820 And then if you start embracing the money and the tangible and the quantitative, you're going to miss out on God.

00:53:53.620 I can tell right away where someone's thought process is.

00:53:56.720 If you're valuing the quantitative and tangible, you're going away from God.

00:54:00.800 If you're valuing the qualitative and the intangible, you're going towards God.

00:54:04.980 So all that stuff in the 60s was going to lead people towards God and their true experience.

00:54:09.960 And we definitely didn't want that because we can't make money off those people. 0.93

00:54:13.760 So you're right, Top, they just shut all that down.

00:54:17.360 Okay?

00:54:17.620 And they didn't want that.

00:54:19.080 But the thing is, is these people were having this experience.

00:54:23.180 And they were able to go in this realm.

00:54:24.960 And so if you think of all the prophets in the Old Testament, if one of them lived today and started telling you, like my favorite saying to Christians is this, you know, if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, God speaks to me through that tree, what do you say to them?

00:54:54.960 And so, you know, if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, God speaks to me through that tree.

00:55:24.960 And so, you know, if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, God speaks to me through that tree. 0.98

00:55:54.940 A couple months ago, I'd be like, you're crazy. 0.96

00:55:57.400 Okay.

00:55:58.020 And so I say, what would you say, Raven?

00:56:01.380 Well, I was just going to say that this opens up a much larger conversation because where Top and I have been, I've done psychedelics in the past.

00:56:07.680 And I've had a fair bit of drug usage experience.

00:56:13.020 But what I've come to the conclusion is – or two is that I think that these things, they do act as a portal.

00:56:20.800 And oftentimes people will have a profound experience and are unable to discern the nature of that experience in the way that – the thing that they're communicating with.

00:56:32.120 Sometimes I do think that you will run into something malevolent.

00:56:35.360 But it's so profound and it's amazing.

00:56:37.120 And this thing is willing to share with you some truths.

00:56:39.360 And that sharing of truth, you mistake that for something that you should trust.

00:56:43.600 And then it becomes a whole bigger problem.

00:56:45.780 So something that Top and I have been exploring a lot on the show lately is this idea of like, in particular, dimethyltryptamine is heavily promoted by Joe Rogan and these float tanks and everything.

00:56:55.880 And it's like a lot of these – like the float tanks came from an MKUltra program where they're trying to communicate with dolphins.

00:57:01.720 Yeah, they're trying to psychically communicate with dolphins, and the dimethyltryptamine seems to lead you to a realm where you reliably communicate with something that we've been pretty well convinced are actually the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

00:57:14.320 But that being said, in my own personal usage on a mushroom experience, let's say, I had a profound elongated epiphany, essentially.

00:57:28.120 I'm there for five hours. I'm having all these epiphanous moments of understanding where thoughts and motives come from and why individuals behave the way that they do.

00:57:37.960 And ultimately, I don't think there was a negative experience to be had there, but we typically caution people against it.

00:57:43.660 That being said, how much of the negative experience that people are having on psychedelics is set and setting and culture and things of that nature?

00:57:53.400 So it becomes very complicated, but I don't think it's a situation where you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

00:58:00.320 You got ahead of me again, which is amazing.

00:58:02.680 You're like – this is dead on, okay?

00:58:04.880 So let me catch up to you, okay, on that.

00:58:07.640 So all of that is absolutely dead on.

00:58:10.960 So the thing is is that when I say to a person, you know, is, okay, so God talks me through this tree. 0.99

00:58:17.320 You're crazy.

00:58:18.040 Then I go, does it have to be a burning bush? 0.99

00:58:22.520 And it's like, wait a minute.

00:58:24.480 Do you know how much of the Bible is based on, like, God talking to a guy through a burning bush?

00:58:31.220 And that's okay, but a tree is bad?

00:58:34.720 So here's the thing is if you go through the Bible, what's actually written in the Bible and what's happening,

00:58:40.920 it's like if people today said the same thing, there's two things that happen to these people.

00:58:48.260 Number one is they get put away in a mental institution, or number two, they kill themselves. 1.00

00:58:54.460 Because the culture, everything you just said, the culture goes, you're crazy. 0.77

00:58:58.420 So these people are holding this in, but they feel it, they see it, they're having these experiences without any mushrooms or anything.

00:59:09.540 So these are people that in the Bible would be like these prophets, and they're having this experience.

00:59:14.900 Now, who teaches them how to do that?

00:59:16.480 And the Bible talks about a school of the prophets.

00:59:18.340 No one teaches them.

00:59:20.060 So they're contacting me.

00:59:22.240 Three years ago, they start contacting me, all these different people.

00:59:24.900 And I start teaching them the rules of how to operate in that realm, which gets back to what you and Ed were talking about originally.

00:59:35.560 So there are rules on how to operate in that realm, and you need to learn how to defend yourself, and you need to learn how to handle things the right way.

00:59:44.200 So now what Ed was saying is that in that realm, it's all words.

00:59:49.580 You don't do anything.

00:59:51.860 You don't throw a punch, you know what I mean?

00:59:55.260 You don't, what do you got?

00:59:58.420 You got words.

00:59:59.940 So in that spiritual realm, words are action.

01:00:04.260 They see everything.

01:00:05.820 They, you know, basically, reality is 11 dimensions, 10 or 11 dimensions.

01:00:11.040 We live in four.

01:00:13.020 So when you take that, you know, when you go into that other realm, you are experiencing, you are seeing love.

01:00:19.740 You're seeing peace.

01:00:21.560 You're seeing all these things.

01:00:23.620 The spiritual realm sees sin.

01:00:28.560 We don't see sin.

01:00:30.700 They see sin.

01:00:32.160 So when you read the Bible, when people in that spiritual realm sin or accept worship, there's no repentance.

01:00:41.600 They don't get a, hey, my bad, I'm sorry.

01:00:45.480 You saw it.

01:00:47.240 You did it willfully.

01:00:48.100 The benefit we have as humans is when we sin, we didn't know it was sin until afterwards.

01:00:55.000 We have this benefit of repentance.

01:00:57.160 We have this benefit.

01:00:58.120 So one of the things Molly God says is the key to heaven is not to sin.

01:01:02.340 That's not the key to heaven.

01:01:04.220 The key to heaven is your response to sin.

01:01:07.340 Right.

01:01:08.680 So that's the difference.

01:01:10.160 So then you get all these traditional Christians go, nope, it's not to sin.

01:01:13.780 You can't say a curse word.

01:01:15.160 You can't, you can never do anything wrong.

01:01:17.620 And they equate being right with being righteous.

01:01:20.340 Those are two different things.

01:01:21.620 Our benefit as humans down here is we don't see sin.

01:01:25.300 We're limited by these.

01:01:26.480 And so we can repent and it actually helps our brain and helps our conscience.

01:01:31.060 In that realm, they see everything.

01:01:34.660 You know, the definition of faith is believing something you can't see either because it's

01:01:39.100 invisible or it hasn't happened yet.

01:01:41.000 In the Bible, it says the demons see, believe because they see.

01:01:46.180 They don't have faith.

01:01:47.000 So the first thing to realize about that realm is what Ed said is what you do everything by

01:01:52.460 words in that realm.

01:01:53.680 So how good are you at your words?

01:01:55.840 If you're going to go into that realm, you need some training on how to handle your words.

01:02:01.640 And so that's what I was doing.

01:02:02.960 I started teaching these people how to defend themselves in that realm.

01:02:07.540 They started going into that realm.

01:02:09.980 And all of a sudden they're like, and now, because here's the thing.

01:02:14.760 If you go into that realm, do you think you should talk to a demon or not?

01:02:20.880 Man, let me ask you, are these people going in willingly or because just to preface something

01:02:27.780 me and David have been looking at, we've been in contact with somebody that has taken edibles

01:02:32.220 and it is in this similar situation.

01:02:34.260 And I'm honestly tentative on going further with this person because we've had him on

01:02:38.840 the show before and he's had some unfortunate things happen after, after talking with us

01:02:44.820 because he's kicking up these, kicking these hornet's nests.

01:02:48.940 But are the people that you're talking about, are they going in willingly or is this something

01:02:54.180 I know some people just kind of get sucked in sometimes and they're, they don't really

01:02:58.000 control it.

01:02:59.200 Okay.

01:02:59.740 So I'm going to, I'm going to jump to flow sets real quick.

01:03:02.940 Okay.

01:03:04.260 So your, your brain at its optimum performance, your optimum happy happiness is when you can

01:03:12.480 flow.

01:03:13.060 And what that is, is toggling in your brain from conscious to unconscious.

01:03:16.580 I like to say, how would you stand barefoot and on hot sand?

01:03:19.920 You would rock back and forth on your bare feet.

01:03:22.500 I was going to say not for long.

01:03:24.900 But if you rock back and forth, you can do it.

01:03:27.340 That's what flow is.

01:03:28.480 If you know how to rock back and forth in your brain, you'll gain energy.

01:03:31.900 So everybody's got a unique process for flow.

01:03:36.040 And so the problem people have with flow is they talk about flow.

01:03:39.380 Like here's the process.

01:03:40.820 Do this.

01:03:41.860 Everybody's unique.

01:03:42.540 So we help people find their unique process for flow.

01:03:45.660 And what happens is everybody flows.

01:03:47.680 You have activities where you flow, but you don't flow in everything.

01:03:51.760 So the activity pauses you to do a set of principles that gets you to flow.

01:03:57.020 I help you define your unique principles, and then you can do that for everything.

01:04:03.060 So these people are getting into this realm, but they don't know why they're getting into

01:04:07.940 this realm, but they're doing something.

01:04:10.220 I help them find out what they're doing, and then they know why they're getting in there

01:04:16.040 on purpose.

01:04:16.940 So I can help people because you're entering this through your brain.

01:04:22.320 This is all brain stuff.

01:04:23.680 And like Ed said, you are a mind or a soul.

01:04:25.940 We call it intangible driver.

01:04:27.680 I say, you're a driver in a car.

01:04:30.360 So here's my model.

01:04:31.860 My model for God is right and just.

01:04:33.380 My model for you is you are a driver in a car.

01:04:37.060 In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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01:05:04.080 The driver is your mind or your soul.

01:05:09.860 It's an intangible being.

01:05:12.940 And the thing is, is in the Bible, whenever God's talking about his interaction with people,

01:05:19.580 it's a mind.

01:05:20.820 His interaction with the spiritual realm is a soul.

01:05:23.420 Your interaction with other people is a mind.

01:05:26.460 Your interaction in the spiritual realm is a soul.

01:05:28.420 Same word.

01:05:28.980 Okay, so the car is your brain.

01:05:32.660 And just like in a car, you are only in direct control of 10% of your car.

01:05:38.440 Gas pedal, steering wheel, brake, that's it.

01:05:40.800 You're not in direct control of the engine.

01:05:42.800 You're not in there firing to get, you're not doing that.

01:05:46.480 10% of your brain is your conscious brain.

01:05:49.080 So that's what you're in direct control of.

01:05:51.140 90% of your brain is your unconscious.

01:05:53.500 That's where all your energy, all your behavior, all your sexual attraction is in your unconscious.

01:05:59.440 And what I learned, which would probably be for another time, is I learned that when I learned

01:06:04.220 this model for the brain, I realized everybody has the wrong model for the brain.

01:06:08.280 Psychology and everybody is treating you like you are a conscious brain.

01:06:11.840 That's only 10% of your brain.

01:06:14.040 You're an unconscious brain.

01:06:15.540 But you're a mind or a soul working through that.

01:06:18.140 So the thing is, is you are a mind, a soul, a spirit, but you don't go into that realm.

01:06:22.680 You go through your brain into that realm.

01:06:25.400 The Holy Spirit comes through your brain and you meet the Holy Spirit in your brain.

01:06:30.660 That's how you hear from God.

01:06:32.280 And then that's how you get to that realm through your brain.

01:06:35.120 You do everything through your brain.

01:06:37.340 So that's the key.

01:06:38.500 And so when these people learn their process for operating their brain, they can go in on

01:06:43.660 purpose and they can come out.

01:06:44.960 They were doing it without knowing it.

01:06:47.240 I helped them understand what's causing them to do it.

01:06:49.800 And then they're able to do it on purpose or not do it.

01:06:52.240 I want to do it real quick.

01:06:53.620 That's exactly.

01:06:54.500 Let's give Ed a second because I saw Ed trying to talk before.

01:06:57.000 Yeah.

01:06:57.780 I just want to add a little resolution to this.

01:07:01.620 You know, when you've heard constantly people saying, so-called experts, you only use 10%

01:07:05.500 of your brain.

01:07:06.180 Again, not true.

01:07:06.920 What John just said.

01:07:07.680 You use 100% of your brain.

01:07:09.300 You're only in conscious control of 10% of it.

01:07:12.120 I always felt like that was like.

01:07:13.420 But that 90% is way more, it's bigger.

01:07:18.400 I mean, it's like, you know, it's like you trying to fight, you know, a Tyrannosaurus

01:07:22.240 Rex when you're trying to go against your unconscious mind.

01:07:25.000 And that's one of the things that John taught me.

01:07:27.060 And that's how he's helped people cure the depression and letting them know that you put

01:07:31.260 your unconscious, speak to your unconscious brain, your unconscious mind.

01:07:34.720 That's what controls your heartbeats, your eye blinks, all those things that are happening

01:07:38.120 like in the car and driver model.

01:07:39.880 So it's really, it's vital.

01:07:41.800 And the best, and John said about your uniqueness, the best way to heal yourself and understand

01:07:48.220 how your unconscious works, because we're all unique.

01:07:51.080 Our unconscious works in different ways is to understand who you are uniquely.

01:07:55.300 And flow says, the end result of flow says, John went to the very end of it, is learning

01:07:59.860 how to flow.

01:08:00.680 And flow just to define, not to define flow, but to give people an example that you've probably

01:08:05.060 heard before.

01:08:05.500 If you're in sports, when, when someone is playing basketball and they just like, can't

01:08:09.400 miss a shot, they're in the zone.

01:08:11.220 Like, and when they're in that zone, they're flowing.

01:08:13.980 They don't know how they got into it.

01:08:15.940 They don't know how they come out of it.

01:08:17.900 But all you know is that you, Michael Jordan can miss a shot.

01:08:21.100 LeBron can't miss a shot.

01:08:22.420 Or a great example is when a baseball pitcher is pitching a no hitter.

01:08:26.080 Have you noticed what they do when he's pitching a no hitter?

01:08:28.680 When the batters are up, he's by himself.

01:08:32.120 They don't talk to him.

01:08:33.380 They won't look at him.

01:08:34.980 Why?

01:08:35.120 Because they know that if they do that, he's going to get out of flow because he is in

01:08:40.540 that zone.

01:08:41.520 Now, if he knew how, if these pitchers, this is why John would probably be the best coach

01:08:45.220 ever.

01:08:46.100 And he does coach it.

01:08:47.240 But because he could teach you, he teaches intentionally how to flow.

01:08:50.120 So he could teach you how to get into the zone where you're pitching a no hitter every

01:08:53.100 game.

01:08:55.000 And so that's because people get into it.

01:08:57.660 They don't know how they got into it.

01:08:59.700 Flow says, teach you how to do that.

01:09:00.860 So I highly recommend people go to flow says dot com and get into that because it's really

01:09:06.060 important.

01:09:06.660 And I want, you know, before we get to, and we have another half hour or so before we run

01:09:10.460 out of time, I really want to talk about in detail about the intangible drivers and let

01:09:14.500 John go over that because flow says will help you learn what your intangible drivers are.

01:09:18.660 There are seven aspects of it that all of us are a combination of two of them and how

01:09:24.640 and what, who we are and what we do, our, our, our, our why and our how.

01:09:29.220 And I'll let John explain that.

01:09:30.560 But I think that is so vital because that helped me understand who I was, who I am.

01:09:35.480 And it was life changing.

01:09:37.740 Yeah.

01:09:38.180 Before we do that.

01:09:38.980 Yeah.

01:09:39.120 Top, I can see you.

01:09:40.060 You've got something you wanted to say, right?

01:09:41.740 No, because yeah.

01:09:42.320 Like as you're, as you're describing, you're describing helping these people go into this,

01:09:46.000 uh, into this other realm, I've said this on the show maybe once before or twice, uh,

01:09:50.460 when I was younger, 12 to 14 or whatever, I used to sit in my own, in my uncle's house.

01:09:56.420 He had a big TV and we'd watch the Yankees and listening to John Sterling and, uh, like

01:10:01.480 Michael K at the time, for some reason, I, I, what, what I think happened now of the way

01:10:07.520 I'm able to describe is like almost astral projection where I'd be like in the corner of

01:10:10.680 the room, seeing myself, seeing him in the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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01:10:39.680 Like a very fuzzy, like, it was like out of body for no reason, but these certain, um,

01:10:49.420 the, uh, the, the situation in that room or the conditions in that room did this to me

01:10:55.240 often.

01:10:55.780 And it wouldn't just be like once it would be probably over 70% of the time.

01:11:01.740 And I didn't know why I'm not interested in doing that again.

01:11:04.960 I don't like that.

01:11:07.560 I understand kind of what it is too.

01:11:09.400 And I've heard some stories.

01:11:10.400 Like if it also, you think like, if I'm out, who's in this thing is just there, what's going

01:11:15.700 on, but there is some veracity to that where you can get into this state and not quite understand

01:11:21.300 why or how.

01:11:22.980 And it's kind of concerning now thinking about, Oh, well the TV, did the TV do that

01:11:26.300 to me?

01:11:27.000 Is there some, I mean, I have the same thing though.

01:11:29.180 Yeah.

01:11:29.620 When I was a kid that you, the TV used to stretch really far away from me.

01:11:32.900 And suddenly I'd have this sensation that the room was elongated and that I was out

01:11:36.220 of body.

01:11:36.560 But there, there's two things I want to say.

01:11:39.200 Um, I want to get some clarification on something before we move on.

01:11:42.140 Cause I have the, the, or the feeling that we're about to move on from this topic.

01:11:45.800 But before I ask that question, I want to ask another one.

01:11:49.720 And this is weird.

01:11:50.220 I think I do this every show.

01:11:51.200 I'm like, I have a weird thing to say.

01:11:53.000 Um, so I recently, you know, maybe a matter of months ago, I had this experience while

01:12:01.760 I was sleeping because you're talking about these people that are, are entering this,

01:12:06.380 this realm.

01:12:07.000 These are the expressions that you're using.

01:12:08.280 And, and, and I'm going to need some clarification on that, not just for my sake, but for the

01:12:12.340 audiences.

01:12:12.680 But when I was laying down in bed a few months ago, I had fallen asleep for a moment and woken

01:12:18.660 back up and, um, and I was pretty wide awake and I'm, and I'm laying there and what ends

01:12:23.980 up happening is I start to experience, uh, visuals, you know, behind my eyelids and, and

01:12:30.060 it feels like, and I, I top, I told you about this and this may be completely, you know,

01:12:34.660 Ed and John, you may go, well, that is not at all what we're talking about.

01:12:37.720 And that's very strange of you.

01:12:38.620 Thank you very much.

01:12:39.120 Uh, but what, what ends up happening to me is I start to get visuals of a pinpoint starts

01:12:48.020 as, as a pinpoint of light opens up into just a, a discernibly different color than black.

01:12:54.160 I don't know how to explain it really.

01:12:55.340 And it, and it, it, it gives me the sensation of like an opening and it gets so profound that

01:13:01.880 I start to dart my eyes around behind my eyelids because I'm almost trying to shake it.

01:13:06.600 It's, uh, it's a little bit disturbing and I end up opening my eyes and just staring at

01:13:12.600 my nightstand next to my bed and I can still see this damn thing and it's opening wider

01:13:18.300 and there's more and more detail and I'm awake. 0.99

01:13:21.020 I'm not going to sleep.

01:13:22.100 And long story short, I get the sensation that this is a portal, but that's not really

01:13:29.100 strange for me because I spend so much time talking about these things that I'm willing

01:13:34.080 to entertain the idea that this is my own psychological interests that are now bleeding

01:13:38.480 over into some sort of pseudo dream state, even though I'm, I'm clearly awake, but I'm

01:13:42.620 willing to entertain the idea that it's my own influence from the topics that I've been

01:13:45.820 investigating.

01:13:46.200 Now, um, it gets so bad that I have to get up and like walk around the house in the middle

01:13:52.300 of the night and like, look at things, turn the lights on and try to make this go away.

01:13:55.940 I actually couldn't shake it.

01:13:56.880 So when you're talking about these people that are coming to you and they're saying

01:14:01.540 they're having this experience, um, are these people, are you, are you saying that they're

01:14:05.840 coming to you sober and, and they're having, let's define this experience.

01:14:11.720 They're moving through something in their mind is, is portal, a fair word to use.

01:14:16.620 And are they going to a different realm?

01:14:18.880 And is all this happening in their waking life?

01:14:20.980 They're sober.

01:14:21.860 Uh, what are your thoughts on that?

01:14:22.960 And are they talking with anything names?

01:14:26.760 Yeah.

01:14:27.160 So that's the thing is that is, is when they come to me, the thing is, is that things will

01:14:34.020 talk to them and they'll be so afraid they won't know what to do.

01:14:37.940 And so what I do is I explain to them what the, you know, and so I want to get back to

01:14:43.060 my question.

01:14:43.700 So, you know, do you think it's okay to talk to demons?

01:14:47.180 This is a question.

01:14:48.040 Yeah.

01:14:48.380 This is okay.

01:14:50.020 Can I get my short on it?

01:14:51.180 All right, go ahead, top.

01:14:51.820 You go ahead.

01:14:52.080 I think the Bible does say that you can talk to them, but you have to test them, right?

01:14:56.580 You can test them.

01:14:57.340 You can ask them.

01:14:57.940 All right.

01:14:58.140 They would have to tell you.

01:14:59.460 I personally, I don't, I have no interest really in talking to them because I know that

01:15:02.380 you're going to get maybe, maybe a couple of truths, but you're going to get a very important

01:15:07.160 lie.

01:15:07.560 So I'm hesitant.

01:15:09.460 Yes.

01:15:09.600 What would you say, John?

01:15:11.100 Well, I just want to say, I would say something very similar.

01:15:13.520 It's like, um, I don't think that it's moral or immoral to communicate with them, but I

01:15:18.500 think that it needs to be recognized that whatever you're about to communicate to is a master

01:15:23.140 class in deception.

01:15:24.940 And that is, it's like, it's the juice worth the squeeze.

01:15:29.180 I don't know.

01:15:29.560 You go armed with, uh, Jesus Christ and you, and you use, you know, his name as an authority

01:15:34.620 to, to test this thing.

01:15:35.900 Uh, but that being said, it's like, until you, we keep talking about it.

01:15:41.660 I know the audience is going to go nuts.

01:15:43.040 Recently, Tucker Carlson said that in the West, and I, I don't agree with him on everything.

01:15:46.780 I'm very suspicious of him, but in the West, we've had our understanding of the spiritual

01:15:49.740 world, uh, stripped away from us, seemingly purposely where we don't understand it.

01:15:54.480 And because of that, we're on uneven playing ground and we're sort of ripe to be taken advantage

01:16:00.120 of, but again, Tucker Carlson did say a date with that.

01:16:03.340 And the date was right around the sixties, at least that's what he mentioned.

01:16:06.700 Yeah.

01:16:07.120 So all this, the stuff that we're talking about is happening right in this time period, but

01:16:10.840 I'm, I'm interested.

01:16:11.620 What are you, what are you going to say about this?

01:16:13.160 What are you going to tell us?

01:16:14.940 What did Jesus do?

01:16:17.020 He's Jesus though.

01:16:17.900 He did, he did address them directly.

01:16:19.580 Jesus said we could do everything he did and more.

01:16:22.240 Right.

01:16:22.740 Once he goes, cause we get the Holy spirit.

01:16:24.740 Jesus talked to him.

01:16:26.080 He's having conversations with them.

01:16:27.960 He's negotiating with them.

01:16:29.940 They're negotiating with him.

01:16:31.180 But the thing is, is to your point, Raven, it's a masterclass.

01:16:35.640 So there is a very specific way Jesus talked to demons and there's a very, and if you don't

01:16:43.300 talk that way, in fact, when you learn specifically how to talk to them and then you look at what

01:16:48.200 the sons of Sceva did, they talked to them the opposite way and they got a whooping.

01:16:54.420 So when you look at the Bible, the Bible explains this.

01:16:58.980 Ed and I did a full year class focused completely on the Elohim realm with a group of people.

01:17:05.540 And three of those people that contacted me, I had them come to that class because I was

01:17:10.120 like, look, you guys need to learn.

01:17:12.480 You need to learn your Bible and you need to learn to where this stuff is in the Bible.

01:17:15.780 And so that was, you know, Ed and I taught that class and it was completely focused on

01:17:21.260 the Elohim realm and all the verses in the Bible that point to it.

01:17:25.640 And again, the Bible's got some wild, wild verses that like, if people are going to get

01:17:32.080 mad at me, I just pull out a bunch of verses and say, well, buddy, help me understand, you

01:17:36.960 know, talking to a burning bush, help me understand, you know, Ezekiel's here and he's over there.

01:17:40.660 Help me understand this.

01:17:41.540 It really does give the explanation of how to handle that realm, because here's the big

01:17:48.140 thing people don't realize.

01:17:50.160 The reason Jesus came to earth is, you know, yeah, he died for our sins.

01:17:57.360 He gave us the Holy Spirit.

01:17:59.660 But God's plan with Jesus is infiltration.

01:18:05.280 God, if you look at it, what Jesus did and what people don't understand is that in the

01:18:11.440 Old Testament, the Elohim realm was here and we were here and there's all these prophecies

01:18:16.880 and no one could understand any of the prophecies.

01:18:19.900 There's only one thing you need to do to understand every prophecy.

01:18:25.600 If you go, Jesus came with dominion over the Elohim realm to give believers with the Holy

01:18:34.000 Spirit, dominion over the Elohim realm. 0.75

01:18:37.060 Now, every Old Testament prophecy is like kindergarten.

01:18:41.460 Like, why couldn't these people understand?

01:18:43.400 Because the concept that humans would have dominion over the Elohim realm was inconceivable. 0.96

01:18:49.760 But so I'm giving away at my course, you know, to these people, like the big reveal is Jesus

01:18:56.680 came demonstrating power of the Elohim realm so that when he died and the Holy Spirit came, 0.90

01:19:05.180 we are supposed to exercise that authority over the Elohim realm.

01:19:08.860 But who's teaching us how to do that?

01:19:10.920 Nobody.

01:19:11.660 But it's in the Bible.

01:19:13.240 It's blatantly explains it step by step.

01:19:16.400 And that's what I did.

01:19:17.460 I started helping these people and they started operating it.

01:19:20.640 And they're like, this is easy.

01:19:22.900 Well, if you understand the principles and how to operate in that realm, it's easy.

01:19:26.080 But if you don't, then I agree with top.

01:19:28.260 Don't go messing in that realm if you don't know what you're doing.

01:19:31.340 Do not go messing in that realm if you don't know what you're doing.

01:19:35.720 We've talked many times.

01:19:36.820 I mean, the simplest thing that you can do is if you're being oppressed is say the name

01:19:40.560 of Jesus and they flee.

01:19:42.440 I mean, that's like, you know, the bottom rung of the ladder.

01:19:45.400 Well, I'll tell you my favorite thing to do.

01:19:48.380 Okay.

01:19:49.200 Because when these, you know, the demons are the disembodied souls of the Nephilim. 0.96

01:19:56.060 That's why you guys got a great, like Nephilim comes up so much in the Bible.

01:19:59.800 You guys got a great name for your show because, you know, when you really understand the Bible,

01:20:05.700 the Nephilim is a key point in the past and the future.

01:20:08.540 Okay.

01:20:09.000 So I'm sure you know that because that's probably explained all that to you.

01:20:12.040 The thing is, is when Jesus shows up and starts demonstrating it the first time in the synagogue,

01:20:18.580 the demons say to him, have you come before your time?

01:20:22.600 Which means we know we are going to eternal torment.

01:20:27.960 So if you knew you were going to jail, okay, you didn't know when, but you guys are going

01:20:36.340 to jail and you're going to be there forever.

01:20:39.840 What would you be doing right now?

01:20:41.420 That's Calvinism, isn't it?

01:20:44.080 No.

01:20:44.840 I will if I know where I'm going, right?

01:20:47.380 No, no, no.

01:20:48.620 Calvinism would be, it doesn't matter what you do and you don't even, can't even make a choice.

01:20:53.760 I'm saying if you knew right now, and I'm saying not in the spiritual, I'm saying in

01:20:57.880 the physical realm.

01:20:58.460 If you knew you were going to jail, you didn't know when, but you know, once you go to jail,

01:21:02.900 you're going to be there forever.

01:21:03.740 What would you be doing right now?

01:21:04.820 Whatever I wanted.

01:21:05.840 I'd be, and not wanting to hear about jail.

01:21:08.320 Yeah.

01:21:09.840 So the quickest thing you can do to a demon or spiritual realm is to go, you know, you're

01:21:16.100 going to be in tournament forever.

01:21:18.460 You're going to be in jail for it.

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01:21:50.280 They don't want to hear that.

01:21:51.580 They don't want to mess with that.

01:21:53.480 They will.

01:21:54.540 The quickest way to get a demon to flee is to just remind them because they know it.

01:21:59.860 They know that they are right.

01:22:01.920 They're like, goodbye.

01:22:05.700 Like, Hey, you want to hang around with me?

01:22:07.640 Great.

01:22:08.080 Let's talk about it, man.

01:22:09.320 Eternal torment.

01:22:10.820 Buddy, you're, you know, you lost.

01:22:12.840 There's nothing you can do to win. 0.99

01:22:13.960 That sucks. 0.95

01:22:14.980 Let's talk about it. 1.00

01:22:16.080 You're going to a spiritual realm and trolling demons.

01:22:21.020 Well, that's what the demons were saying to Jesus.

01:22:23.000 Have you come to just torment us before your time?

01:22:25.680 It's not time yet.

01:22:26.600 Why are you doing this to us?

01:22:28.360 That is an interesting, like, dynamic.

01:22:30.360 Like, so I was bringing up the idea of Calvinism where our, our, our fates are predetermined.

01:22:35.660 And, and it's like, like, like you said, we don't have that.

01:22:38.360 We can kind of, we can choose.

01:22:40.460 They don't.

01:22:41.120 And so they do live this Calvinist kind of.

01:22:43.380 Oh, that's, you're right.

01:22:44.260 If you mean that they have a Calvinist life.

01:22:46.460 You're right.

01:22:46.980 Yeah.

01:22:47.320 It's predetermined.

01:22:48.360 They know what's up, but we don't, we're not adhering to those same rules.

01:22:51.620 We could, we can still do.

01:22:53.340 I wonder if we, we probably still do surprise God sometimes with some of the things we do then.

01:22:57.520 We absolutely do.

01:22:58.380 But top, you're making a bigger point, which is huge is, is because they have been judged already.

01:23:03.600 They don't have a free will.

01:23:05.580 So you're right.

01:23:06.700 It is, it is Calvinism.

01:23:08.360 They literally are living a Calvinistic life.

01:23:10.980 They do not have a free will and there's nothing they can do to, to stop them from ending up there.

01:23:15.820 And that's the thing to realize.

01:23:16.940 If you go into that realm, you take authority and you make statements.

01:23:21.000 When you talk to people, you don't make statements.

01:23:24.300 There's a way to communicate to people that's positive.

01:23:27.820 And there's a way, and the way you talk in the spiritual realm is the opposite.

01:23:31.600 And so that's the thing is there's, there's these three principles you want, you operate.

01:23:35.820 So when you communicate to people, you should want to operate this way.

01:23:38.520 When you communicate this realm, you want to operate the opposite.

01:23:41.480 And then when you read the Bible, you're like, well, why didn't anybody else see this?

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01:24:41.960 I want to amplify this really quickly because John just gave it.

01:24:45.600 He dropped a great nugget.

01:24:46.460 We got to do this again and talk about communication.

01:24:49.120 Well, wait, can I stop you there real quick, Ed?

01:24:50.560 Just so you know, we do have some time today.

01:24:52.980 So don't feel rushed.

01:24:54.580 Awesome.

01:24:55.260 So John said when you communicate with other people, human beings with free will, you don't make statements.

01:25:00.860 Ask questions because then you're allowing them to operate in their free will and answer you.

01:25:05.620 And it helps them and it heals them.

01:25:07.460 Like, you know, when I argue with my wife, which, you know, we all do.

01:25:10.420 So I ask her a question.

01:25:12.280 Do you really feel this way about me?

01:25:13.660 Do you really think that?

01:25:14.840 And so then that allows her brain to work.

01:25:17.420 And it's very healing.

01:25:19.600 And also when you ask someone a question, you're putting yourself in the position where when you make a statement on someone, then John can explain this a little better.

01:25:29.260 When you make a statement on someone, well, then they can use that and they can, John, you might be able to say this better.

01:25:37.360 So here's the big picture on this is, is you are reforming your conscious brain every day by the words and sentences you say, think and hear.

01:25:50.340 So that's the key is what you're saying, thinking and hearing from other people is, is rewiring your brain.

01:25:58.220 And so there is, so there's three communication guidelines.

01:26:02.260 You make statements on yourself.

01:26:04.660 I think, I believe, I feel statements about yourself is bragging.

01:26:09.620 I'm the youngest inventor of the year in the history of Dow chemical.

01:26:12.020 That's bragging.

01:26:13.260 Okay.

01:26:13.540 I feel this, I think this, okay.

01:26:16.000 You ask questions of others, you answer their questions.

01:26:19.080 A bully does the opposite.

01:26:21.020 You make statements on other people, you know, Raven, you, where am I going with that sentence?

01:26:27.020 It feel already feels like a push.

01:26:28.540 Okay.

01:26:29.080 You don't ask questions and you don't answer questions.

01:26:31.740 So one of the ways I illustrate this right away, because the passage in the Bible, everybody thinks they know cold.

01:26:38.920 And this is the way I love to do this with the Bible.

01:26:40.620 Everybody thinks they understand the Bible, and then I start going through and asking them what was specifically said, and they can't put it together.

01:26:47.700 And then when they actually read it, they go, why didn't I see this before?

01:26:51.400 You know, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve hear God.

01:26:57.220 They hide.

01:26:58.600 What does God say?

01:27:00.980 Why are you covering yourself?

01:27:04.020 Actually, that's not the first question.

01:27:06.780 Does he ask where they are?

01:27:08.180 Where are you?

01:27:08.940 Does God not know where they are?

01:27:11.980 He knows.

01:27:13.600 Then why do you ask?

01:27:14.320 But he wants them to explain themselves.

01:27:18.240 He's given them a chance.

01:27:20.300 They're humans.

01:27:21.880 And he wants to see where they're at, not just physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

01:27:28.220 Okay?

01:27:28.800 Where are you?

01:27:29.440 They come out, and they go, hey, you know, we ate of the tree.

01:27:35.220 We felt, and Adam actually explains the thought process perfectly.

01:27:37.940 I won't go into that right now, but he explains the thought process perfectly.

01:27:41.380 You know, we heard you.

01:27:43.540 We got embarrassed.

01:27:44.340 Actually, what he says is, we heard you.

01:27:45.660 We got embarrassed, and we hid.

01:27:47.520 What does God say?

01:27:48.360 Is this where he says, who has told you?

01:27:54.480 Yeah.

01:27:54.960 That you're naked.

01:27:55.800 That's right.

01:27:56.420 Anything else?

01:28:00.180 I can't remember at the moment.

01:28:02.420 Have you eaten of the tree?

01:28:05.480 But he knows.

01:28:06.960 God said three questions so far.

01:28:09.480 Everybody makes, God makes statements.

01:28:11.400 You guys are doing great, okay?

01:28:13.140 Because you have questions already, okay?

01:28:14.700 God asks three questions, and again, you're right, Raven. 0.77

01:28:17.280 He knows.

01:28:17.820 Why is he?

01:28:18.180 He's giving them a chance.

01:28:19.680 Adam goes, you know, the woman you gave me gave me to eat.

01:28:26.160 And so did he answer the questions?

01:28:29.260 No.

01:28:30.700 Okay, so now he's violating the communication guidelines, and he blamed God.

01:28:36.460 That's what the original sin is.

01:28:38.420 I love hanging people on the internet on original sin.

01:28:42.100 Because the original sin was not eating the apple.

01:28:46.900 Eve ate it first, and the Bible says that sin came in through Adam.

01:28:52.980 The reason sin came in is Adam was wrong, and how did he respond to being wrong?

01:28:58.820 He blamed God.

01:29:00.620 That's the original sin.

01:29:02.080 When we are wrong, do we rationalize and justify?

01:29:06.460 That's very interesting.

01:29:08.340 That's what my kid does, right?

01:29:09.760 That's what we all do, naturally.

01:29:13.040 Yeah, and that's the disappointing part, too, right?

01:29:15.160 It's like if my kid did something wrong, I don't want him to freak out, panic, blame a bunch of external things, or try to push it back on me.

01:29:23.420 I'd like for him to just take ownership and just explain to me where he was at when he did it, you know?

01:29:27.840 Like, what's going on?

01:29:28.660 What was on your mind?

01:29:29.920 Why'd you do the thing? 1.00

01:29:31.040 Why are you so stupid? 1.00

01:29:32.060 Well, wait a minute, though. 1.00

01:29:35.080 Here's the thing.

01:29:36.440 I like to ask people, what do you think of a person who says, hey, man, I was so wrong.

01:29:42.740 It was wrong of me to do that.

01:29:44.160 Oh, they're the best.

01:29:46.220 What do you think people think of you when you admit you're wrong?

01:29:50.000 I would hope they think it's the best when I do that.

01:29:53.100 But we don't.

01:29:54.500 We think it's – and this is the way your brain works.

01:29:56.880 Your brain works one way this way, and it works a different way this way.

01:30:01.200 That's the way your brain actually works, and what you're supposed to do is be humble and overcome that.

01:30:06.440 So we think the best of somebody, but we think people will think the worst of us when we admit we're wrong.

01:30:12.340 But there's their contradiction right there.

01:30:14.680 So Adam blames God.

01:30:17.420 What does God say?

01:30:21.840 I don't have my Bible with me right now, so I don't want to be wrong again.

01:30:24.760 Yeah, yeah, please, please.

01:30:26.880 Well, take a shot.

01:30:27.820 What do you think he says when Adam blames him?

01:30:31.900 I don't know what he says, but I want to say that he offers him clothing.

01:30:39.700 Doesn't he offer him clothing at some point, or is this way later?

01:30:42.800 He asks Eve.

01:30:45.140 Oh, that's right, yeah.

01:30:47.100 About the fruit.

01:30:48.680 And then she blames the serpent.

01:30:51.460 So she doesn't ask the question.

01:30:53.060 She blames the serpent.

01:30:54.000 What does God say next?

01:30:56.880 Now, remember, the serpent's a spiritual being.

01:31:01.340 Ed's probably taught you.

01:31:02.500 Nikash, he's taught you all that, right?

01:31:04.020 Right.

01:31:05.420 But still, there was some sort of violation, wasn't there, on behalf of the serpent?

01:31:10.220 So what does God say to the serpent?

01:31:13.340 Well, this is where he curses and crawls on his belly for all of his days.

01:31:16.220 So does he, yeah, does he ask him a question?

01:31:18.760 No, I don't think he does.

01:31:19.880 I think he does.

01:31:20.140 Right.

01:31:21.140 Four questions to humans.

01:31:23.040 Oh, that's interesting.

01:31:24.240 Wow.

01:31:24.680 There it is.

01:31:25.960 Wow.

01:31:26.320 Statement on a spiritual realm.

01:31:28.720 Interesting.

01:31:29.840 So when you say a statement on a person, you're treating them like the way God treats an evil Elohim. 0.96

01:31:35.640 That's why you ask questions.

01:31:38.160 You treat them like a human, but you treat the Elohim the other way. 1.00

01:31:42.620 Oh, my goodness.

01:31:44.700 It's all throughout the Bible.

01:31:46.340 You'll see all these examples.

01:31:47.660 How you talk to a human is you follow these guidelines.

01:31:50.580 How you talk to a demon is in the spiritual realm is the opposite.

01:31:54.260 You talk to the spiritual realm in the opposite way because you have dominion.

01:31:58.800 That's interesting because-

01:32:00.180 He says, where are you?

01:32:01.120 He asked them where they are.

01:32:02.200 Then he says, who told you you were naked? 1.00

01:32:05.020 And didn't I tell you not to eat this shit? 1.00

01:32:07.180 He's just asking them questions. 1.00

01:32:09.000 Yeah.

01:32:09.240 And they're fumbling.

01:32:10.240 Yep.

01:32:11.180 They're probably so nervous.

01:32:12.540 Everybody makes God out to be this, he's yelling, he's screaming, he's judging people.

01:32:18.780 Man, you're slandering God.

01:32:20.140 He's like, why did you do that?

01:32:21.820 Yeah.

01:32:22.240 He's just asking questions.

01:32:23.480 You know what's interesting about this is that this is how you're, if this is how you're

01:32:28.780 meant to communicate in the spiritual realm, right?

01:32:31.380 Because it sounds like you're meant to take an authoritative position in the spiritual realm.

01:32:37.300 And you can do that because of what Jesus came to accomplish.

01:32:40.620 Now, when people interact with the spiritual realm, they do it in many different ways.

01:32:46.860 But one of the most common ways is the Ouija board.

01:32:49.800 And literally, the Ouija board is nothing but questions.

01:32:53.060 I mean, all you're doing when you open a Ouija board is, is there anybody there who wants

01:32:56.820 to communicate?

01:32:57.980 Who are you?

01:32:59.320 What is your name?

01:32:59.860 And I feel like really, if these things are, are meant to deceive you, it's, it's almost

01:33:04.360 like you're giving them permission to, it's like, here's an opportunity to deceive me.

01:33:08.860 Here's another opportunity to deceive me over and over again.

01:33:11.780 You're yeah.

01:33:12.460 It's like, it's literally all we're doing is like, Hey, lie to me, please lie to me.

01:33:17.180 This is how you use a Ouija board. 0.99

01:33:18.280 You just write, you're gay and see what comes back. 0.96

01:33:23.600 But see questions give, like Ed said, this questions, give up control. 0.95

01:33:28.060 Yes.

01:33:28.560 God's given up control to us because he's, he's resting.

01:33:32.800 So he's saying, you're in charge.

01:33:34.680 I'm going to respond.

01:33:35.820 You're in charge.

01:33:37.320 I'm going to ask you questions.

01:33:38.520 And, but the, but you start asking questions of the spiritual realm, you're giving up control

01:33:44.380 to it.

01:33:44.860 You have dominion over it.

01:33:46.380 Yeah.

01:33:46.760 You're going to get what you deserve.

01:33:48.200 If you do that.

01:33:50.740 That changes how you like, how you would even pray.

01:33:54.460 I assume.

01:33:56.680 We'll have to do a whole thing.

01:33:58.120 Prayer.

01:33:59.040 God's will is the most complicated doctrine there is.

01:34:01.860 That's why the second book is like, there's all these doctrine you have to have right to

01:34:05.560 get this.

01:34:05.900 Prayer is the second most complicated doctrine, because what you're doing is you are expressing

01:34:12.320 your will over God's will.

01:34:16.100 Interesting.

01:34:17.520 So that's a, that's a, that's a whole thing.

01:34:20.580 Yeah.

01:34:20.840 So, so yeah, that there's a, there's a lot there, but anyways, I'd like to just go one

01:34:28.520 more step up, but the communication just to help us guys.

01:34:31.440 Okay.

01:34:32.840 So there's four causes.

01:34:34.940 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:34:35.900 Is this why you can't tell your wife to, like, you can't tell her to calm down?

01:34:39.860 Like it doesn't, you have to ask like, why are you upset?

01:34:43.780 That's why it never works.

01:34:44.920 Like calm down.

01:34:45.740 It's like, what?

01:34:46.560 That always goes the wrong way.

01:34:48.400 So before I talk about that, I got to give you my favorite quote on women about women.

01:34:54.160 Okay.

01:34:54.540 And it comes from, and it comes from, uh, Ed Bundy.

01:34:57.400 Okay.

01:34:58.800 That's where all the best quotes about women come from. 1.00

01:35:01.560 Yeah.

01:35:02.000 So he says, I'm not a woman.

01:35:05.240 I'm not a woman.

01:35:06.040 So I don't understand women. 1.00

01:35:08.120 Women understand women and they hate each other. 1.00

01:35:10.780 There's a, there's a, there's a lot of truth to that.

01:35:15.480 Don't tell my wife that.

01:35:17.280 So here's, here's the thing that I teach.

01:35:19.760 Okay.

01:35:20.840 Is when you start a conversation, that's the cause of the conversation.

01:35:25.980 So there's four causes of a conversation.

01:35:28.940 So I say there's a good cause, and this is an open-ended question.

01:35:33.560 How was your day or a statement of fact, you know, that wall is white. 0.73

01:35:39.740 You're giving up control.

01:35:41.140 Okay.

01:35:42.300 A not bad cause is a close-ended question.

01:35:46.020 Did you have a good day?

01:35:47.160 So now you're limiting to a yes or no and an opinion.

01:35:50.900 I like the color of that wall.

01:35:53.140 Okay.

01:35:53.580 A bad cause is a projection or a judgment. 1.00

01:35:59.180 So you think this, you feel this, you're stupid for doing this. 1.00

01:36:04.820 A worse cause is negation. 1.00

01:36:07.660 You know, I say to people, what's your favorite color?

01:36:09.240 Blue.

01:36:09.640 No, it's yellow.

01:36:12.020 A good cause gives up complete control.

01:36:15.160 A not bad cause gives up control.

01:36:17.300 In the Bible, you're going to see God do combinations.

01:36:22.640 Like the second thing that God says in the garden, who told you, you know, did you eat

01:36:28.880 of the tree?

01:36:29.460 That's a yes.

01:36:29.980 No, that's a not bad cause.

01:36:31.340 Who told you?

01:36:32.760 Open-ended.

01:36:33.960 You'll see Jesus do that a lot of times.

01:36:35.900 He'll combine those.

01:36:37.160 When he asks two questions, he's got a good and a not bad.

01:36:40.580 Okay.

01:36:40.760 A bad cause exerts control.

01:36:44.100 A worse cause, complete control.

01:36:47.880 Women respond to good and not bad causes.

01:36:51.140 So when I get in with a group of guys and I'll say, you know, I'm trying to teach them about

01:36:56.600 women. 0.81

01:36:57.220 They'll say, well, I got a question.

01:36:58.820 I was texting this woman the other night and it was going great.

01:37:01.280 Then it went bad.

01:37:01.860 And I'll say, read me the text.

01:37:03.560 I'll tell you what she's thinking.

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01:37:34.540 And so he'll read the first test.

01:37:36.720 Hey, what are you doing tonight?

01:37:38.240 Open-ended?

01:37:39.520 Good cause?

01:37:40.400 She's going to respond.

01:37:41.120 Yeah, she did.

01:37:42.160 Do you want to go out tonight?

01:37:43.400 Not bad cause?

01:37:44.280 She's going to respond.

01:37:45.140 And he keeps going.

01:37:45.960 And then eventually he goes, well, you always think that.

01:37:48.300 I go, she is done talking to you. 0.98

01:37:51.220 And he goes, yeah, how come?

01:37:54.460 So if you want, if you give women a good and not bad cause.

01:37:58.500 So when I used to coach football, eighth grade football, you know, so you got these eighth

01:38:02.080 graders, right?

01:38:02.700 And I'd sit there and I had this planking station where all these boys would come in

01:38:06.920 and they'd have to sit down and plank and I'd have to time them.

01:38:09.840 And all you can do is talk.

01:38:11.440 Okay.

01:38:11.800 And so I'd sit there and go, hey, you guys know how to talk to women? 0.99

01:38:14.360 Oh, yeah.

01:38:14.940 Yeah.

01:38:15.220 How?

01:38:16.440 What do you mean?

01:38:17.040 How?

01:38:17.600 How?

01:38:18.440 You just said, you know, I talked to women. 1.00

01:38:19.720 Tell me how.

01:38:20.500 I'd love to learn.

01:38:21.880 Oh, well, do you want to know how to talk to women? 1.00

01:38:26.160 Yeah.

01:38:26.720 I go.

01:38:27.260 So I teach him a good and not bad cause.

01:38:28.980 And I say, okay, who here is going to do this tomorrow?

01:38:32.340 Cause who's the best woman to practice on? 1.00

01:38:35.680 And every guy knows the answer to this question.

01:38:37.740 Doesn't want to say it.

01:38:40.220 Your mom, your mom, Raven, you are batting a thousand.

01:38:44.800 This is, this will be your best of show right now.

01:38:47.880 You haven't missed one yet.

01:38:49.260 It's all downhill from here.

01:38:50.340 Your mom.

01:38:52.320 And every guy goes, oh, I know that's the right answer, but I don't want to do it.

01:38:57.180 I said, who's going to go and give their mom two good causes? 1.00

01:39:00.720 And this kid, Trevor, said he would do it.

01:39:02.260 Okay, great.

01:39:03.200 Next day, these guys are going to run it over to my playstation. 0.97

01:39:06.440 And no joke, the guys are like, everybody, shut up. 1.00

01:39:09.060 Shut up. 1.00

01:39:09.580 Get down and play. 1.00

01:39:10.280 Trevor, what happened?

01:39:11.120 Everybody, and they're all down, you know, play kid.

01:39:12.940 And I go, Trevor, what happened?

01:39:13.980 Trevor goes, I went home and I said to my mom, how was your day?

01:39:18.020 I'm like, good cause, which he goes, oh, she just started sharing.

01:39:21.960 I go, well, then what'd you say?

01:39:23.100 He goes, I said, how'd that make you feel?

01:39:25.980 Good cause.

01:39:27.060 What happened?

01:39:27.640 She shared.

01:39:28.140 I go, what happened next?

01:39:28.740 He goes, well, she, she said, Trevor, what do you want for dinner?

01:39:32.640 I'll make you anything.

01:39:35.100 And so again, we're guys, right?

01:39:37.280 These are the eighth graders.

01:39:38.360 I go, hey guys, when that woman's your wife, you end up with something better than dinner. 1.00

01:39:43.300 That's all I'm going to say.

01:39:44.640 Okay.

01:39:45.000 So I told that story in a middle school class.

01:39:49.140 And this boy, the next week came back and said, you know what?

01:39:52.580 I did what you said.

01:39:54.300 I'm like, so what happened?

01:39:55.520 He goes, I asked my mom, how was your day?

01:39:57.440 She shared.

01:39:58.220 I asked her, you know, um, how'd you make you feel?

01:40:01.240 She shared.

01:40:01.940 I said, what happened?

01:40:02.620 She goes, you can play an extra hour of video games tonight.

01:40:05.460 And I'm like, the minute you negate in the minute you, you judge a woman or project on

01:40:12.460 her or worse negate her. 0.99

01:40:15.640 She's done the minute you do that to a guy. 1.00

01:40:18.340 And so I've given the speech in prisons to the guards and stuff.

01:40:23.740 And I said, you can ask every guy in prison, how he got here.

01:40:27.300 Every guy in prison responded to a bad or worse cause with a bad or worse cause.

01:40:33.980 So that's the thing.

01:40:35.180 My, my son, when he was in eighth grade, I taught him this.

01:40:37.900 He took a picture of it with his phone and it took him three weeks.

01:40:40.920 And every girl was talking to him, you know, I just wrote down to teach this to my son.

01:40:47.120 He's, he's nine years old.

01:40:48.440 I don't know what he's going to do with the keys to the kingdom, but this is what, this

01:40:51.720 is what Joe Rogan does so good.

01:40:53.140 And, you know, no matter how we feel about his, uh, whatever his psychedelic work, all

01:40:57.840 he does is ask questions.

01:40:59.080 Yeah.

01:40:59.480 He just, he's great at asking the next question and leading.

01:41:02.540 He doesn't really, I guess he does know stuff about things about stuff, but it's mostly

01:41:08.180 questions and people love that.

01:41:09.820 People love to hear it.

01:41:10.760 People love to talk with them about it.

01:41:12.180 It's something to that.

01:41:14.500 That's the way, that's the way you make it.

01:41:16.540 Build friendships is if you follow these guidelines, you're great, but you'll notice every bully

01:41:21.680 does the opposite.

01:41:22.560 And that's why I teach a lot of these preteens and teens, how to deal with bullies.

01:41:26.560 Cause I teach them these communication guidelines.

01:41:28.460 So what Ed is talking about, the first two things I teach a person is who you are and then

01:41:32.860 how to communicate the right way.

01:41:34.960 So the thing is, is that you're going to use questions that according to your uniqueness,

01:41:39.580 but you need to know your uniqueness.

01:41:41.560 And so that's where Ed was saying, you know, there's seven whys and seven hows basically.

01:41:46.520 So, so why over that a little bit, we, we, we do have time.

01:41:50.280 We've got about 20 minutes and I, that was something that when Ed brushed over, I was,

01:41:54.600 I was terribly fascinated with.

01:41:56.020 So can we unpack that a little bit?

01:41:57.780 Yeah.

01:41:57.880 So if you go to flow says.com and you type in intangible driver, there's a, there's an

01:42:02.740 explanation of this, how this is not a personality test.

01:42:05.680 And then there's a quiz you take.

01:42:07.740 And then what happens is, is you'll get free video sent to you to help you confirm it.

01:42:12.180 Because what happens is, is the quiz is about 85% effective.

01:42:17.220 15% of people try to answer with the right answer.

01:42:21.060 Not really who they are.

01:42:23.560 And so they're not faking anybody out because this is about energy.

01:42:26.000 I can act like any of that.

01:42:28.440 Yeah.

01:42:28.620 So if you go, yeah, that's, well, it says unlock my intangible driver up in the right.

01:42:33.460 You got it right there.

01:42:34.760 All right.

01:42:35.400 In the upper right.

01:42:36.280 There you go.

01:42:36.780 That's so there's a button right in the front.

01:42:38.320 So that explains everything.

01:42:39.820 And there's a quiz right there that explains personality is really the mask you hide behind

01:42:44.840 when you're unbalanced.

01:42:45.840 You know, so, you know, Hippocrates said, you know, the, every personality test is based

01:42:52.460 on the four temperaments and Hippocrates invented the four temperaments.

01:42:55.740 And he said, every time I see a person do one of these four behaviors, I know they are

01:43:00.700 unbalanced.

01:43:01.640 They have too much or too little bile, black bile, blood or phlegm.

01:43:06.620 So when somebody says, and personality comes with the word persona, which means mask.

01:43:10.220 So when someone tells you their personality, what they're doing is they're telling you,

01:43:13.000 this is the mask I hide behind when I'm unbalanced.

01:43:16.560 Colin was using a very popular personality test in all these, you know, companies.

01:43:23.380 And when I met him, I said, listen, the value of a personality test is to figure out what

01:43:30.880 is going to cause a person to trigger and hurt themselves or hurt you.

01:43:36.180 So if you're a control person and you start becoming unbalanced, I need to give you control 0.99

01:43:41.040 because if I take control away, you're going to shoot me or you're going to kill yourself. 0.97

01:43:45.560 So a personality test helps you not be destructive, but it doesn't help you gain energy.

01:43:51.420 And it's purely contextual.

01:43:53.500 When you take a personality test, you need to take it with how am I at work?

01:43:57.680 How am I at home?

01:43:58.840 How am I in my marriage?

01:44:00.580 It's all contextual.

01:44:01.700 What Ed's talking about with the intangible driver is this is the first cause.

01:44:05.120 And it's the same regardless of the context.

01:44:09.000 So when you take that quiz, what happens is, is you find out the why is the effect you want

01:44:14.740 to have on other people.

01:44:15.680 So there's seven effects you could want to have on other people.

01:44:18.720 You could want people to be aware.

01:44:20.700 Joe Rogan is a perceiver.

01:44:22.240 Ed's a perceiver.

01:44:23.140 Why Joe Rogan is a perceiver.

01:44:24.760 Why all good comedians, except for one is a perceiver.

01:44:30.320 Why?

01:44:30.980 And I'll explain this in a second.

01:44:32.500 Okay.

01:44:32.920 So Joe Rogan is a perceiver.

01:44:34.220 Why?

01:44:35.080 Ed's a perceiver.

01:44:35.720 Why?

01:44:36.440 These people want you to be aware.

01:44:38.560 How they do it is what style can mean.

01:44:40.840 What's that, Ed?

01:44:41.480 You know, I say I want you to see what I see.

01:44:43.360 That's yeah.

01:44:44.640 And the way you, the way you help Ed get settled is you go, oh, I see that.

01:44:49.220 Okay.

01:44:50.160 A teacher.

01:44:51.200 Why?

01:44:51.660 Wants you to understand.

01:44:53.020 They want you to say, I understand.

01:44:56.500 Okay.

01:44:56.740 A compassion why wants you to feel what they're feeling.

01:45:02.560 They want, they want to bear your pain.

01:45:04.620 They want you to feel better.

01:45:05.940 They want you to lose your pain.

01:45:07.400 Okay.

01:45:08.340 A giver.

01:45:09.160 Why?

01:45:10.020 Wants you to accept a tangible gift or an improvement.

01:45:16.880 A server does all seven.

01:45:21.640 So I'll come back to that in a second.

01:45:23.960 An administrator.

01:45:25.140 Why?

01:45:25.440 That's what I am.

01:45:26.540 They want you to be in the right position relative to something else.

01:45:31.300 So if you ask me, you know, to do something, to teach you something, because I'm a teacher

01:45:37.860 out and I'll talk about that in a second.

01:45:39.600 I don't want to do that.

01:45:40.860 But if you tell me I have a presentation, I have this person I'm interacting with, the

01:45:46.420 minute there's two things, you and this thing, there's a space.

01:45:52.400 Administrators love the space.

01:45:54.660 I'll help you become the greatest podcast of all time.

01:45:57.440 And you can think I like you.

01:45:58.760 No, I like the space.

01:46:00.800 You're here and your goal is here.

01:46:03.180 I want to get you to your space.

01:46:05.040 That's, that's what gives me energy.

01:46:06.980 I tell me the goal and I'm, I'm in.

01:46:09.860 Okay.

01:46:10.160 An exhorter wants you to be excited about the future.

01:46:15.060 Okay.

01:46:15.720 So that server Y could do any of those seven.

01:46:19.440 And what happens is, is they, they can see all the way around the problem.

01:46:24.720 So if you're one of the other six, it's like you wear these glasses. 0.98

01:46:27.920 Ed wears these perceiver glasses and he sees everything from how it's off.

01:46:33.380 Do you see how this is off?

01:46:34.700 Ed walks in the room without even trying.

01:46:36.480 He see three things that are wrong.

01:46:38.360 Okay.

01:46:38.840 I'm an administrator.

01:46:40.340 I see the distance between where this person is trying to be and where they're at.

01:46:45.200 So we're all sitting in these chairs around the problem.

01:46:48.560 The server Y gets up, walks all the way around the problem, sits down and they see all seven.

01:46:55.000 They think everybody else sees all seven. 1.00

01:46:57.700 They think everybody else is an idiot. 1.00

01:46:59.380 And the thing is they have seven reasons for everything. 0.99

01:47:02.860 So what I say about server wise is, is if you argue with them, you pack a lunch because like my doctor is a server Y and I was explaining this to him.

01:47:12.820 And I said, here's the thing.

01:47:14.040 If I can convince you, I can convince you you're wrong in one area.

01:47:18.180 Like I can, you can, you and I could talk about something and I could prove you're wrong in one of those seven areas.

01:47:23.160 You're not going to agree with me because you're going to go, okay, that's six to one.

01:47:27.480 I said, I'm going to have to make it four to three.

01:47:31.140 If I convince you four times, you'll agree.

01:47:33.580 And he goes, maybe.

01:47:35.100 And I'm like, there it is.

01:47:37.300 But that's the thing is, is server wise are real pain to argue with.

01:47:41.160 So on LinkedIn, I'll argue with the server Y and I'm patient.

01:47:44.640 I just know I have to convince him four times.

01:47:47.460 And then they'll come around.

01:47:48.600 Then they'll say, why are you the only person who's patient with me?

01:47:52.100 It's like, because you're a server Y.

01:47:53.840 That's what you're doing.

01:47:55.020 The how is what everybody sees.

01:47:56.960 Everybody thinks you are your how.

01:47:59.740 So a perceiver how is very poetic.

01:48:03.020 All they do is they make statements.

01:48:04.480 They just say one liners.

01:48:07.040 All the good songwriters are perceiver how.

01:48:10.840 A bad songwriter says a line and then explains how, you know, explains why.

01:48:16.660 I like to say Tracy Chapman, Fast Car is one of my favorite songs to explain.

01:48:20.120 Like it's a master class in, in lyrics.

01:48:23.160 There's no wise in there at all.

01:48:25.840 It's just a bunch of statements.

01:48:28.220 What you add to it is the picture you get.

01:48:32.320 What someone else adds to it is the picture they get.

01:48:34.760 If she would throw a bunch of wise in there, it'd be like.

01:48:38.900 I can teach you to write poetry.

01:48:40.560 Write it and then just cut off all your wise.

01:48:43.700 And that's, that's poetry.

01:48:44.600 A teacher how is Ed and I.

01:48:46.780 Ed and I are teacher how's.

01:48:47.980 We're going to give you the why behind everything.

01:48:50.840 Okay.

01:48:51.140 I got to read the book of Psalms now because now you're talking about poetry in, and that's,

01:48:54.860 if you're not asking questions, you're talking in the spiritual realm, right?

01:48:58.020 So tell them God's intangible driver.

01:49:00.640 So God is exhorter perceiver.

01:49:04.920 So God wants you to be excited.

01:49:07.600 And the way he gets you excited is he tells you what you're doing wrong.

01:49:10.040 Aren't you, aren't you excited about that?

01:49:14.720 Not really.

01:49:15.860 Now, here's the thing.

01:49:17.300 Here's the thing.

01:49:18.040 This is what, there are people who are exhorter perceiver.

01:49:21.460 A lot of great, a lot of the great women songwriters, you know, Taylor Swift, because 1.00

01:49:28.620 everything from exhorter perceiver.

01:49:30.980 So exhorter perceiver, here's the thing that happens is they say a sentence and what they

01:49:38.740 mean is the reason why, what you should feel, what the benefit is, what the need is, and

01:49:45.880 how you should be in the right position.

01:49:47.600 But they don't say it.

01:49:49.540 So all these people take a one line from a Taylor Swift song and they make a 20 minute

01:49:55.080 video.

01:49:55.480 Here's everything she meant from it.

01:49:57.580 And it's like, that's God.

01:49:59.140 So if you look at Genesis is God's book, he dictated that book to Moses and Aaron in the

01:50:10.960 tabernacle.

01:50:12.640 It's poetry.

01:50:14.700 It's missing so much.

01:50:17.820 The other books of the Bible fill in everything God did not say, but meant.

01:50:25.200 So, you know, so you look at these, you look at these people, like all these great, like

01:50:30.680 I said, you know, Sheryl Crow, you know, and all these women, Alanis Morissette, a lot of

01:50:35.640 these women who, who are great songwriters, you know, are, you know, Joni Mitchell, exhorter 0.80

01:50:41.600 perceiver, and they are bipolar.

01:50:43.640 They're infinitely forward and they're infinitely backwards.

01:50:46.980 And they don't, and people get burnt out by him because they tell you what's wrong and

01:50:51.620 then they want you to be excited.

01:50:53.740 Now, Bruce Springsteen's exhorter perceiver.

01:50:55.840 Okay.

01:50:57.700 Adam, who's the guy from Counting Crows?

01:51:01.060 He's exhorter perceiver.

01:51:02.300 Okay.

01:51:02.760 So a lot of those great songwriters are like that.

01:51:05.680 So if you think about it in the Bible, there is one guy that every time he sinned, God perceived

01:51:13.300 on him and he was immediately exhorted, like every time God said, Hey, you're doing that

01:51:19.700 wrong, either directly or through another person.

01:51:22.160 He went, you're right.

01:51:23.760 Thank you.

01:51:24.320 That's amazing.

01:51:25.080 No argument.

01:51:25.920 No, nothing.

01:51:26.660 Do you know who that was?

01:51:29.480 Who?

01:51:31.240 Ed?

01:51:32.120 King David.

01:51:33.420 And what was it said about David?

01:51:35.420 He was a man after God's own heart.

01:51:37.260 David responded to God exactly the way he wants everybody to respond to him.

01:51:45.480 Hey, you're doing this wrong.

01:51:47.480 Thank you, man.

01:51:48.420 I'm exhorted.

01:51:49.260 I'm excited.

01:51:50.000 God, thank you for that.

01:51:52.020 That's such a, um, something that I never really saw as significant, but like, so I'm a

01:51:57.760 mixed martial artist and, uh, I always said that I'm, I, I'm a, I'm a pretty good one and

01:52:02.680 it's not because I have any natural ability or athleticism.

01:52:05.460 It's because I'm good at taking instruction.

01:52:08.560 That's all.

01:52:09.100 You tell me what to do.

01:52:09.820 I'm going to do it.

01:52:10.260 You tell me what I'm doing wrong.

01:52:11.160 I'm going to go, okay.

01:52:11.700 And then I'm doing it right.

01:52:12.860 And I'm trying to have this conversation with my son about that because there's, there's

01:52:16.760 kids in the martial arts class who, when, when they get, um, constructive criticism,

01:52:21.780 they actually become a little bit emotional and it's shut down.

01:52:25.520 They shut down.

01:52:26.380 They don't like it.

01:52:27.000 They, they object in some way, shape or form.

01:52:29.160 They try to make excuses.

01:52:30.840 And I use those kids as a learning example for my son.

01:52:33.440 And I say, listen, when the coach comes over to you, the thing that the coach wants is

01:52:37.360 to explain what you're doing wrong.

01:52:39.160 And for you to go, okay, I see that.

01:52:41.380 I got it.

01:52:41.800 Thank you.

01:52:42.180 And then boom, just go off and do it.

01:52:43.720 Right.

01:52:44.040 Don't worry about, he doesn't want excuses.

01:52:45.720 He doesn't want reasons as to why you were doing it wrong.

01:52:48.440 He doesn't want anything.

01:52:49.020 He wants to tell you what you've done wrong.

01:52:50.540 And he wants you to respond with, I understand it and got it.

01:52:53.240 Thank you.

01:52:53.600 And boom. 0.96

01:52:54.020 And then you just go into it.

01:52:55.120 Don't get emotionally wrapped up in it.

01:52:56.840 This isn't, um, something that's detrimental to your character.

01:53:00.400 He's not saying anything personal about you, just your technique.

01:53:03.680 And in the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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01:53:29.100 And I try to show him those things.

01:53:36.200 I said, the same thing happens at home when mom and dad tell you this is what you're doing.

01:53:39.800 You got to stop doing that.

01:53:40.880 And this is why you, you don't go, Oh, well, I was doing it because of this or, Oh, well,

01:53:46.720 that's not fair.

01:53:47.260 You just go, okay, cool.

01:53:49.060 Thank you.

01:53:49.520 And that's exactly what we want.

01:53:51.140 Adam in the garden, right?

01:53:52.340 Well, yeah.

01:53:53.020 Plus it's Raven on his hot streak.

01:53:55.320 Okay.

01:53:55.960 So here's the thing.

01:53:57.260 One of the things you're doing, I'm going to, I'm going to explain two things about this,

01:54:00.800 but I want to say something you're doing that you, you don't even realize you're doing.

01:54:04.100 Okay.

01:54:04.480 Is that you're his dad.

01:54:07.700 And so we feel like men.

01:54:12.540 When somebody that we see as a man says, you are a man, that's what causes us to feel like a man. 0.83

01:54:20.900 And the thing is, is his boys, our first person, we see as a man is the dad.

01:54:25.580 So honestly, you as a dad saying, son, I'm totally behind you.

01:54:32.260 There's no issue.

01:54:33.320 It's like mega healthy.

01:54:35.720 Like Raven, you're doing like the healthiest thing you could do to a son might not work with a daughter, but I'm telling you right now, this is how so many people end up messing up their sons.

01:54:48.700 So many guys, because they're not, I'm behind you.

01:54:53.020 I got you, you know, don't worry about me thinking this about you.

01:54:57.400 I've got, so let me tell you just that you're doing something that's humongously, you know, healthy.

01:55:03.620 Now, here's the thing about tangible drivers.

01:55:06.260 There was an article in Inc magazine, INC period that said hundreds of, of studies and Adam Grant all agree that the best leadership style is someone who understands the person's intrinsic motivation, which is intangible driver.

01:55:24.760 They can't do this intentionally.

01:55:26.380 We can do this.

01:55:27.080 So if the, if the leader, you know, in the mixed martial arts knew your son's intangible driver, he'd know how to say it that would energize him.

01:55:37.380 He'd know how to say it to the kids that are crying, how to energize him.

01:55:41.780 So this is the value of knowing this.

01:55:43.680 So I'm going to talk about the one comedian who's not perceiver, who's awesome.

01:55:46.860 And that's Dave Chappelle.

01:55:49.260 Okay.

01:55:50.020 Dave Chappelle is not perceiver compassion like Richard Pryor, you know, or Larry David.

01:55:55.240 Dave Chappelle is compassion perceiver.

01:55:58.040 He's more like a singer, an artist.

01:56:01.360 Okay.

01:56:02.260 John Mayer, who he's very good friends with.

01:56:04.920 I was just looking up the lyrics to John Mayer's song for Daughters because I'm looking at it.

01:56:10.240 You just touched on it.

01:56:10.900 That's Topps.

01:56:11.660 That's Topps guy right there.

01:56:13.460 Yeah.

01:56:13.620 I'm like, okay, well, are they, are there any like suppositions?

01:56:16.240 Is he asking questions?

01:56:17.020 Like, no, no.

01:56:18.140 And every word is measured.

01:56:20.060 He's the best songwriter, in my opinion, of this generation.

01:56:23.240 I now have to re-look at all of his stuff.

01:56:25.200 He's not compassion perceiver.

01:56:27.160 He's perceiver compassion.

01:56:28.480 He should be a comedian.

01:56:30.180 He is a comedian, yeah.

01:56:31.200 And Dave Chappelle should be a singer, okay?

01:56:34.440 And the thing is, have you seen the Hot Ones with John Mayer?

01:56:38.720 No, I haven't.

01:56:39.500 Oh, top, top.

01:56:41.340 It's not, it's perceiver compassion the entire time, okay?

01:56:47.000 And there's two big things in it.

01:56:48.520 Number one is, is compassion.

01:56:51.780 So he is perceiver compassion.

01:56:54.440 So he wants people to be aware.

01:56:57.280 So what he does is he wants to write this big, opus, complex song.

01:57:02.500 Look how freaking awesome I am, okay?

01:57:06.820 And the fans hate those songs.

01:57:09.500 And then he writes compassion perceiver songs, simple.

01:57:16.120 Those are the hits.

01:57:17.480 And those are the hits.

01:57:18.640 And he says, it drives me nuts.

01:57:20.900 The other thing, there's this epic moment where he says,

01:57:25.400 and this is perceiver compassion.

01:57:27.160 He's out in LA, compassion, getting along with everybody at these parties

01:57:32.620 and these superficial stuff.

01:57:34.880 The next day, he's in like Idaho or Montana, wherever his house is.

01:57:38.860 And he says, I'll be in the kitchen, you know, cleaning something,

01:57:42.480 and I'll watch, you know, on television,

01:57:47.020 these people in Hollywood. 1.00

01:57:48.420 And I'll be like, those heartless bastards. 1.00

01:57:51.720 You know, he's like perceiving all over them. 1.00

01:57:54.480 The day before he was in there.

01:57:56.140 And it's like, this is the thing he's got to struggle with.

01:57:58.460 So Dave Chappelle, he doesn't know what's funny.

01:58:02.080 Perceivers know what's funny.

01:58:04.600 Dave Chappelle is compassion perceiver.

01:58:07.180 He doesn't know what's funny.

01:58:09.480 So how, what's his process for coming up with this material?

01:58:14.360 Do you know his process?

01:58:16.300 I know he stole some jokes from Owen Benchman.

01:58:19.840 That's one part of the process, but I don't know.

01:58:21.660 I don't know what it's.

01:58:22.380 I'm curious.

01:58:22.700 Yeah.

01:58:22.900 What he does is he goes to like, you know, comedy store or whatever.

01:58:29.320 And when they close at like two in the morning, he goes on for four hours.

01:58:34.980 Oh yeah.

01:58:35.440 I've seen him.

01:58:36.040 Yeah.

01:58:36.180 I've seen him.

01:58:36.360 Free show.

01:58:39.120 Talking.

01:58:40.000 Basically, he's going to tell everybody everything he wants to say.

01:58:45.240 And when people laugh, like, look what this guy has to do for his craft because he's not

01:58:54.860 a perceiver.

01:58:55.700 Why?

01:58:56.620 Right.

01:58:57.640 You look at my own different comedian who we all know, Sam Tripoli.

01:59:01.640 He's a perceiver exhorter.

01:59:03.060 He's like, yeah, cheerleader.

01:59:04.440 But he's just, but he's doing that.

01:59:06.000 He's, he acts like an exhorter, but he wants you to, to see what he's seeing.

01:59:10.680 Right.

01:59:11.020 So perceiver exhorter, they're very sarcastic.

01:59:13.120 And, and who's a famous character from literature or movies.

01:59:16.980 It's perceiver exhorter.

01:59:18.060 Do you guys know?

01:59:20.560 The Joker.

01:59:24.280 Yeah.

01:59:25.080 You have Joker's out there.

01:59:26.180 He's like, ha, laughing, but he wants you to see what he sees.

01:59:30.020 Yeah.

01:59:30.980 Desperately so.

01:59:31.800 He wants you to see what they see because, and the laugh is a validation.

01:59:35.760 When you, when comedian says something and you laugh, you guys see what I see.

01:59:39.160 That energizes a comedian.

01:59:40.340 This is why, that's why, uh, if you, you should, you should do a little dive on Owen Benjamin.

01:59:46.140 Uh, he's, he's my favorite comedian.

01:59:47.620 He's a friend of the show, but he hit the name of his show is why didn't they laugh?

01:59:51.740 And it's just constant.

01:59:53.760 And he does a three hour show every day.

01:59:55.260 And it's the same thing.

01:59:56.060 It's just putting all this material out there.

01:59:57.540 And then you'll hear his set.

01:59:58.980 And you'll be like, I remember when he took that, he took this from here and took that

02:00:01.400 from there.

02:00:01.680 He's just setting the table and seeing what works.

02:00:04.720 I love it.

02:00:05.080 Is he Ed?

02:00:06.140 Cause that's a perceiver teacher line.

02:00:08.380 So one of the things I do, one of my superpowers is this is people will send me an email from

02:00:16.500 their boss or their ex or something, and I'll go through it and I'll go, okay, here's their

02:00:23.420 uniqueness.

02:00:24.880 Here's how they do this.

02:00:26.160 Now, this is a whole nother topic, but, and we can do this another time.

02:00:31.600 There's a thing called an unconscious confrontation.

02:00:34.200 Ed already talked about your unconscious being 90%.

02:00:36.980 You can ask a question that bypasses the conscious and prevents someone from being destructive.

02:00:44.200 I can't unconsciously confront you to get me a glass of water, but I can unconsciously

02:00:50.080 confront you from being destructive.

02:00:51.680 So when you think about your kids, everybody's the same age and they're intangible driver.

02:00:57.980 So Raven, the sooner you understand, like my son, when he learned this, he was, he was 11.

02:01:03.100 He's administrator server.

02:01:04.340 I had a friend who was 61.

02:01:06.240 He's exhorted teacher.

02:01:07.680 Those two sat down, told each other what they were and had a talk for an hour.

02:01:12.720 Like you, when you understand who your son is and he understands who you are, this is how

02:01:17.300 I got kids out of special ed.

02:01:19.440 As I say, there's three steps.

02:01:20.720 You need to understand your uniqueness.

02:01:22.340 Then you need to embrace it.

02:01:24.340 I can't be exhorted perceiver.

02:01:26.680 I'm administrator teacher.

02:01:27.980 If I'm exhorted perceiver, I could be it, but I'm going to lose energy.

02:01:30.780 This is all about energy.

02:01:31.920 And then you communicate it.

02:01:33.820 When these kids understood who they were, embraced it for energy, and they communicated

02:01:38.380 to change their context, all of a sudden they can handle regular ed.

02:01:43.400 And that's the key to adults.

02:01:45.160 That's what I do with adults.

02:01:46.220 So it's intangible driver, understanding uniqueness, and how you communicate.

02:01:50.200 That solves 90% of your issues.

02:01:52.440 And I want to bring this up because, John, you mentioned it briefly, but the confusion is

02:01:55.340 when people see your how and they think it's your why, like I am, I'm a perceiver teacher.

02:02:00.040 I teach, but I'm not teaching you to teach you.

02:02:02.560 I'm teaching you because I want you to see what I see.

02:02:03.920 But if you think I'm just a teacher, then I'm going to be frustrated.

02:02:06.800 And, you know, John, you're a teacher administrator.

02:02:09.100 You're not teaching just, just.

02:02:10.640 Administrator teacher.

02:02:11.480 I'm sorry, administrator teacher.

02:02:13.440 Your goal is to, is to, you know, get people towards, to get them towards their goal.

02:02:17.300 And you do it by teaching.

02:02:18.740 So you have, so that's why it's tough because if you, and especially if you are someone

02:02:22.440 who's, you know, pretty spread apart, like let's say you're, you're, you're, you're a

02:02:26.220 teacher administrator.

02:02:27.600 Well, you're administrating people, not because you're trying to be bossy because, but you're

02:02:31.260 going to get them to understand something, but they, and people say, well, you're just

02:02:34.500 bossy.

02:02:34.980 No, you don't get that.

02:02:36.060 I'm trying to get you to understand because I'm teacher.

02:02:39.640 And that's where the frustration comes in.

02:02:41.260 And that's what helped me because people always saw me as a teacher.

02:02:45.000 I'm like, no, I'm not trying to get you to understand.

02:02:46.380 I'm trying to get you to see what I see.

02:02:49.200 So there's certain, I know, I know we got to go up here, but there's certain intangible

02:02:52.800 drivers that are going to end up in special ed.

02:02:56.340 And because we, we treat each other, we treat everybody, let's say nice.

02:03:00.240 And there's certain people that you treat them nice and they're going to have a problem.

02:03:03.160 And so a teacher, why with anything other than teacher, how it's, it's constantly a test.

02:03:11.300 They're, they're telling you everything other than the reason.

02:03:14.600 And then you have to explain, you have to come up with the reason understanding.

02:03:19.120 And then you're, and so these are the most awkward people in the world and they end up

02:03:23.120 having all these issues and, and, and people are like, they need all this psychological help.

02:03:27.720 And they're, it's like, no, they need to be able to explain to people.

02:03:31.000 Look at I'm teacher, you know, house from the TV show.

02:03:35.140 House is the opposite of me teacher administrator.

02:03:37.420 There's two episodes where even though the patient is, is okay, he keeps going because

02:03:42.400 he doesn't have the why that's what a teacher, why it looks like.

02:03:45.220 And then there's two episodes where he doesn't have a team.

02:03:47.500 He can't administrate.

02:03:48.340 He literally can't solve the case without a team.

02:03:51.380 So he has this janitor pretend to be the team, or he's on this plane and he has these three

02:03:55.760 passengers be his team because that's how he does things.

02:03:59.100 That's what he does as perceiver teacher.

02:04:01.040 So Chris Rock is perceiver teacher.

02:04:03.040 Hermione Granger is perceiver teacher.

02:04:05.160 I'm administrative teacher Willy Wonka.

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02:04:35.160 You know, the Gene Wilder and the Timothy Chalamet, that's administrator teacher.

02:04:42.560 That's, that's what I am.

02:04:44.280 I'm, I'm like that.

02:04:45.660 So that's what you're looking at.

02:04:47.300 I feel like I fall into so many of these categories, but which one definitely do I fall into?

02:04:53.200 Cause I know, I don't know.

02:04:55.260 I'll be taking it later on.

02:04:56.700 You know what though?

02:04:57.660 Like as we're closing this out now, I I'm reminded of, um, there's like a, a philosophical saying

02:05:06.940 or like a maxim, uh, it's on the temple of Apollo.

02:05:10.500 And typically it's like, you know, the, these fall in not big fans of them.

02:05:15.780 And I, I, I do believe that that's what we're dealing with in Apollo and such, but it goes

02:05:20.340 that they can't create anything.

02:05:22.300 They just invert things.

02:05:23.900 And very much like the, as above, so below that's been co-opted.

02:05:27.580 And now it's a hermetic principle.

02:05:28.900 Really?

02:05:29.220 It's just a principle of spirituality.

02:05:30.900 Uh, know thyself is what's inscribed on the temple of Apollo in Greece.

02:05:36.900 And, and, uh, I think that that's another baby with the bathwater.

02:05:41.260 It's like, don't toss it out just cause it's on the temple of Apollo, but, um, it's, it's

02:05:45.920 like a key, right?

02:05:46.880 Cause we're talking about knowing yourself and, and knowing God.

02:05:50.420 And it seems like if you want to have any chance at that, um, God will tell you who he

02:05:55.840 is if you read, um, and understand, but it's equally as important to know yourself.

02:06:01.360 Uh, I think that after this, after I get back from picking up my son, I think the first thing

02:06:06.340 I'm going to do is, uh, head over to that website and see what category I fall into.

02:06:09.260 I'm almost embarrassed at how little I'm like, I like how little I actually do know

02:06:13.240 myself.

02:06:14.400 So I, I, this is the last thing I'm going to say, cause Ed already said this.

02:06:17.780 So I'm just re-quoting Ed, you know, truth is a right.

02:06:20.920 What with a right, how, and why know thyself is just the right.

02:06:24.040 What how and why would determine whether it's truth or deception?

02:06:28.680 Deception is a right.

02:06:29.920 What with a wrong or no, how, and why.

02:06:32.700 So Raven, you, you finished it off on your streak.

02:06:36.240 You're a thousand percent.

02:06:37.300 So know thyself.

02:06:39.160 There's a way that that could be deception.

02:06:41.360 There's a way that could be truth, but it's all the how and why behind it.

02:06:45.300 And if, and what the devil does is he gives a right, what, and then he tries to give you

02:06:51.060 a wrong how and why, or let you supply the wrong how and why.

02:06:53.860 And then you and your own energy, take yourself away.

02:06:56.600 The how and why is more important than the what.

02:06:58.940 That's what he did when he tempted Jesus.

02:07:00.060 He said, Hey, you know, if you're the son of God, you know, throw yourself off the building

02:07:04.180 or, and so, and an angel will bear you up.

02:07:07.220 So he gave him a right, what, but he, he gave him a wrong why.

02:07:12.640 And how, right.

02:07:14.360 Right.

02:07:14.780 Wrong, wrong, how and why.

02:07:15.820 Yeah.

02:07:16.180 And Jesus, by the way, Jesus is server, server.

02:07:18.880 And, and the Holy Spirit is administrator, server.

02:07:23.180 Holy Spirit is.

02:07:24.040 And the devil is administrator, perceiver.

02:07:28.520 Right.

02:07:29.280 So the Holy Spirit is administrate.

02:07:31.100 He, he, he, servers can be all seven.

02:07:33.160 So his Holy Spirit will do whatever he has to, to administrate the church.

02:07:36.280 He's trying to get the church towards a goal and he can do any of the seven.

02:07:39.260 So he's administrator.

02:07:40.120 He does it by being a server.

02:07:41.500 He'll, he can be.

02:07:42.140 He's focused on the group.

02:07:44.040 Server, server focuses on the interaction between two and God focuses on you.

02:07:49.380 One.

02:07:49.780 So I say, God's a one.

02:07:51.820 Jesus is a two and the Holy Spirit's a three. 0.93

02:07:54.040 Or on your website, do you have like a breakdowns of each of these personalities?

02:07:59.200 Yeah.

02:07:59.480 So the thing is, is that Colin, Colin, this changes Colin's life so much.

02:08:04.940 That's why at the start of every video, he goes, my hero, John Lenhart.

02:08:07.760 Cause when he learned he was compassionate server.

02:08:09.740 So Colin made me do every one of the how's and why's.

02:08:14.040 So if you go to the truth in the 2020s, I think the videos I did with Colin are better

02:08:20.280 than the videos you're going to get with flow sets that are just a general video.

02:08:24.980 So if you really want to like, see what you are after you take the test, go to truth in the 2020s.

02:08:31.220 And there's a, there's a playlist that's intangible driver.

02:08:34.040 Why there's a playlist that's intangible driver.

02:08:36.260 How, and you could watch those.

02:08:37.960 And that's what Colin was doing.

02:08:39.320 Colin's like the whole world needs to know this.

02:08:41.620 This absolutely changed my life.

02:08:42.920 All right, guys, we got to bring it in for a landing here.

02:08:46.820 I'm sorry to do this.

02:08:47.800 I know there's so much, I know it's a, I have to, my son's going to be getting out of school

02:08:51.140 any moment.

02:08:51.720 And so I got to get out of here, but one last time, please both Ed and John, let everybody

02:08:56.460 know where they can find you.

02:08:57.280 Let's start with John.

02:08:58.380 So flow sets.com you've already showed the site F L O W C E S S.com.

02:09:03.380 And there's buttons and everything on it.

02:09:05.680 The, then the, the other thing is, is modeling God.com.

02:09:09.840 That's where you, you'd get my two books and get more of the explanation of those four,

02:09:13.500 you know, hurdles.

02:09:15.060 And then LinkedIn, John Lenhart.

02:09:17.520 I have a lot of material that I've written like three books online on mental health and,

02:09:22.360 and different things.

02:09:23.260 So there's a lot of stuff that I put on LinkedIn for free.

02:09:25.840 And then, like I said, the YouTube channel with Colin is truth in the 2020s.

02:09:30.340 Yeah.

02:09:31.300 And for me, of course, yeah, that's, that's where you go.

02:09:37.120 All right, guys.

02:09:38.180 Well, thank you so much.

02:09:39.460 Really.

02:09:40.040 This was a genuine pleasure.

02:09:41.880 I, I, I didn't necessarily know what to expect going into this, but I'm, I'm terribly fascinated.

02:09:48.120 I'm actually upset that we have to end the episode now.

02:09:50.500 So I'm hoping we can find another reason someday soon to drag you out here, John, because it

02:09:56.220 has been a pleasure.

02:09:56.940 And I want to thank you, Ed, for, for, for helping us to, to bring this together.

02:10:03.260 Guys, thank you so much for watching and top.

02:10:05.600 I don't know.

02:10:05.840 Do you have anything or are we out of here?

02:10:07.080 I got, I got a room full of kids right now.

02:10:11.360 We'll talk sometime.

02:10:12.720 We'll talk about synaptic pruning.

02:10:14.800 If your kids are younger than 13, I'm going to teach you something that's going to change

02:10:18.160 their life.

02:10:18.780 So excellent.

02:10:19.860 We'll talk about that.

02:10:20.700 Thank you guys.

02:10:21.480 Icey is going to change, uh, top's life.

02:10:23.940 Nice, uh, lemon ice pop there.

02:10:25.760 All right, guys.

02:10:26.440 Thank you guys for watching.

02:10:27.900 Thank you.

02:10:28.840 All right.

02:10:29.320 See you later.

02:10:29.760 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:10:36.000 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:10:39.420 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, you

02:10:45.020 don't.

02:10:45.200 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

02:10:51.880 happening.

02:10:52.760 And they have.

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Nephilim Death Squad - October 06, 2024

066： Modeling God w. Ed Mabrie & John Lenhart

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