Ed Mabry is back for the umpteenth time, but this time, he has brought a friend along in the form of John Lenhart. John is a model, entrepreneur, and author. He has worked with some of the biggest names in the entertainment industry, including Ed, and has been featured in the New York Times, Hollywood, and the Hollywood Reporter.
00:03:05.720Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.
00:03:36.060I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.
00:03:39.340That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
00:03:42.660Before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind all of our live viewers that this is going to be a preview.
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00:04:06.900Now, joining us today, back for the umpteenth time, is Ed Mabry.
00:04:11.960But this time, he has brought a friend along in the form of John Lenhart.
00:04:17.140Now, gentlemen, can you please let the audience know what it is you do and where they can find your work?
00:04:22.660And since John is new here, we'll start with him.
00:07:01.280All the other crappy stuff is just from me.
00:07:02.920John and I met, wow, I think it was around 2007, 2008, actually.
00:07:09.180And I had just been up here in Northern California for a couple years.
00:07:12.980I'm trying to get things together in my life, my spiritual life, and things like that.
00:07:18.840And so I was listening to a Christian radio station with a man by the name of Bob Duco, who I liked him a lot because he's very rational, very reasonable.
00:07:27.340And, you know, he approaches Christianity from that standpoint.
00:07:43.940But then he says something I disagreed with.
00:07:45.720He gave the definition of love, which I was like, yeah, the definition of love is giving without the expectation of getting anything in return.
00:07:54.960So I go to his blog, his Modeling God blog, which I think is no longer up.
00:07:58.720But I write him back because, you know me, I'm contrarian.
00:08:02.020I am the one who will, as you know from, like, the little season stuff I did in the Messiah 2030, if I see something that doesn't make sense, I'm going to go after it.
00:11:17.820So the way I proved this, there's kind of a funnier story with this is when my book came out, it was around the time that I don't know if you remember this, but Ray Comfort said he could prove God exists in five minutes.
00:11:29.440And then what happened was he asked for two more minutes.
00:12:09.640Or like, he was like basically saying, do you need to go in your car and get something out of your trunk and, you know, have props?
00:12:15.620I'm like, no, I could do it right here.
00:12:17.100And I said, everything you see is an effect of a cause, and those causes are effect of other causes, and everything goes back to the first cause.
00:12:40.380It was like, I just gave you the proof of a first cause.
00:12:45.280The issue is, is what is God's identity?
00:12:49.460So the problem that people have and what started me down this road is there was a professor in North Carolina who used to say, I can prove God doesn't exist.
00:13:44.900And the reason why this is so, so important, and I didn't learn a lot of this until after I wrote modeling God, but basically, John Knox in Scotland in the 1500s became a hyper-Calvinist.
00:14:01.640And he basically said, you know, God's figured out everything ahead of time and, you know, we don't have a free will.
00:14:09.860And there's a massive contradiction with that.
00:14:13.380So we started punishing people and just really destroyed, you know, society.
00:14:18.900In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.
00:18:15.260And, you know, that was when the Jesus Movement happened.
00:18:17.860And as John said, it was a response to the Godless Christianity Movement because people could not, because they couldn't define God.
00:18:24.920And, you know, in the 60s, you know, the counterculture, all that stuff was happening.
00:18:28.980And people were asking those classic questions.
00:18:30.600You know, if God is good, why is there evil in the world?
00:18:32.800You know, why is God so judgmental in the Old Testament?
00:18:35.500But Jesus is this sweet, nice guy in the New Testament.
00:18:38.280So they said, well, and instead of addressing it head on, the church just said, God, God, we can't define him.
00:18:44.540He's just, he's so much bigger than us that we can't think about, understand him as human forms.
00:18:50.140And that's why every time you see God portrayed in the media, he's like just some beam of light or some cloud or nothing because people are like, well, we can't, we can't define him.
00:18:58.660And they think that that makes them more holy, more reverent.
00:19:02.700I mean, if you, if someone, if you claim to love someone and someone claims to love you and you can't define them, that doesn't make you more holy.
00:19:13.060That was one of the reasons that I resisted at first, what John was saying, and what we went and had our back and forths because he, in modeling God, which I will explain in a moment, he came down, he put God into, he defined God.
00:19:27.840But, you know, as usual, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into understanding that not only can God be defined, but he wants to be.
00:23:40.160He's always completely right and just, and everything else about him, mercy, love, compassion, all those are effects of him being always a completely right and just.
00:23:50.220And that's what modeling God put out, and that's what people, including myself at first, rebelled against, saying, you can't put God into that box.
00:24:22.660But I would use that same argument, you can't possibly know or define God, to dismiss people who would make a caricature of, like, the Old Testament God.
00:24:34.220We've talked about that on the Book of Revelation series before, how people will create a straw man or a caricature of God, and he's this unjust tyrant who's killing all these people and doing all these horrible things.
00:24:47.880And even though I had never read the Old Testament and I had no real context, I would lean on that idea of, like, well, who are we to claim that we can understand the nature of God?
00:24:59.340Now, that being said, that was at a time where the way that I would sort of rationalize things was, like, the first law of thermodynamics, right?
00:25:10.140And so I would say, well, at the very least, and it kind of goes back to what you were just saying about this amorphous cloud that is God or something like this energy.
00:25:17.360I would go, well, if you can't create or destroy energy, maybe there's a source of energy.
00:25:22.720Maybe we return, you know, and that was kind of the basis of my understanding without any biblical text or background in that way.
00:25:29.560And so – but now – because I almost did kind of caricaturize God as, like, well, then maybe God – at the very least, God can be a cloud of energy that we all return to.
00:25:39.680This is with no biblical context whatsoever.
00:25:41.300After doing this show, Nephilim Death Squad, but also in particular the Friday's Book of Revelation series with you, I am very much identifying that this is like a hermetic principle of as above, so below.
00:25:54.580To an extent, it seems we can attribute some of our own personalities in such a way as to relate to God because we're made in his image.
00:26:04.880And as I'm listening to all of this information, I see a personality unfolding.
00:26:12.580Like, it's not a cloud with no personality that just, like, burps forward energy into the universe and then we return.
00:26:20.740It's like, why would we be – and I'll dismount from this – but why would we be so dynamic in our personalities and our emotion and our connectivity and our love for one another and see none of those sentiments echoed in God?
00:26:35.040Or rather that we are more than likely an echo of God?
00:26:39.120Dave Raven, you are planting so many seeds that the Patreons are going to love because John – one of the things he's helped me with and helped tons of people with is understanding who we are outside of context.
00:26:52.200Unlike all these things like Myers-Briggs and all these different personality tests and things like that that tell you who you are in certain situations, John, through the Bible and through his understanding of God and his engineering background has shown, has given us what he calls – I'll let you run with this – the intangible drivers.
00:27:08.500It's who we are always, and it's helped heal me and a lot of other people, but I know – but we'll get to that.
00:27:25.080No, we're going to do that, but Raven, you – like Ed just said, you just like – man, you just – that was a hit list, okay?
00:27:31.740So let me make – let me see if I can tie all those loose ends off because you made like four great points there, okay?
00:27:38.200So first of all, you're right about God having a definite personality, and when you understand God – there's a verse in Jeremiah that says – God says, if you're going to brag about anything, brag that you know and understand God.
00:27:51.360So all these people saying we can't know and understand God are literally saying the opposite of what God said you should understand.
00:27:56.540And when you do understand God's nature and then his personality, the Bible comes alive.
00:28:03.540So the two benefits to reading modeling God is you are going to hear from God more often and clearer, and you're going to understand the Bible.
00:28:13.220So I always say modeling God isn't going to heal you.
00:28:17.180God talking to you directly and reading his word is going to heal you, but modeling God is going to set you up to be able to do those – both of those.
00:28:26.000So that's really the value of modeling God.
00:28:28.520You know, when the book went out of print, you know, two years ago, it was selling on Amazon in Europe for $100, $140 US, because people suddenly went, wait a minute, they're having this portal experience.
00:28:41.260That's why we're going to talk about this, because what's going on in Europe is a portal experience right now.
00:28:45.180And they were having that, and they were looking for somebody to explain God, and then word got out that this is the only book that explains God, and everybody was doing that.
00:28:52.540The other thing is what Ed said is you're going to learn who you are.
00:28:56.580So the two things I always say to people is I talk to people until they say they wish they understood who they were or they wish they understood who God is, because I can say to you, do you want to understand God?
00:30:41.500So there was, there was, at the time modeling God came out, there was a guy who was in charge of one of the biggest campus crusade, you know, Christian ministries.
00:30:50.900And he said, there are 10 to 20 million Christians in church wanting to go deeper.
00:30:55.780So I put modeling God out, which helped them go deeper.
00:31:13.220They did some unbelievable things that are such an amazing story and a ridiculous story that I finally agreed last year that someone can make a documentary out of it.
00:31:24.500When people hear the whole story, they would come up to me and say, do we make a documentary out of it?
00:31:28.840In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.
00:32:39.820So the documentarian has reached out to over 100 people who slandered me on overmodeling God, and none of them will appear on camera to say what they've said.
00:32:50.460They want to pretend like this never happened because people really did get help, and these people blocked people from getting help.
00:32:58.360Final thing I want to say to close the loop on what you said, Raven, is atheists knew the definition of God.
00:33:05.720Because what atheists said in the 60s is, God doesn't exist.
00:33:18.000The thing is, is right and just exist even if things aren't right and just.
00:33:23.440So atheists were saying God is right and just, and I don't see things right and just, so God must not exist because if God did exist, then he could make stuff happen.
00:33:32.980So the last point I'll make, and then we'll go to the portals, is there's four measures for a model for God, and every model fails at least one of these four measures.
00:33:45.260Modeling God gives the definition of God and then shows all the effects.
00:33:51.060Like by the second or third chapter of Modeling God, you get the answer who God is.
00:33:55.520It takes the rest of the book to do what Ed says is to pull everything together so it fills it out.
00:34:01.660And in filling all that out, it explains the problem of evil.
00:34:05.620It explains why God gets involved or doesn't get involved.
00:34:09.060It explains God's effects, how they correlate to his causes, and it's logically consistent.
00:34:15.080Modeling God presents the only model that clears all four of these hurdles.
00:34:19.500You would think that would make people believe it.
00:34:22.060It being right and proven and irrefutable made people matter.
00:34:27.800And that's the part that threw me 17 years ago.
00:34:30.300Do you want to tell them those four areas before we jump off?
00:38:51.800So I don't know how deeply we covered this in one of our earlier episodes or earlier talks, but you talked about raving the so-called hermetic principle of as well above, so below.
00:39:02.780So you can call it hermetic principle.
00:39:05.760That all entities, all spiritual entities, all Elohim have to obey because, not because they're necessarily trying to be right and just like God, but because that's the only way they can affect what happens in the material realm.
00:39:25.340We talked about this during the Speed of Light episode.
00:39:27.600I think the person I was on with you guys, that when you get down to the subatomic level of quarks, which make up protons and neutrons in the atom, when you get down, they're vibrations.
00:39:36.120So we know that everything in this material is a vibration.
00:39:54.820So that's why, for example, we talk about in the book of Daniel, when Daniel sees those four beasts that represent the four world empires through which they're going to bring about their plan, they speak it into existence.
00:40:05.980It's going to be Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, then Rome.
00:40:10.380And then at the end of Rome, we're going to bring in our Antichrist, we call the Antichrist.
00:40:14.900We're going to bring him in, and he is going to set up the world the way we, the fallen Elohim, want it to be.
00:40:28.400Now I'm responding, and I'm speaking my will, and I'm going to have Jesus, the son of man riding on the cloud, come in and inherit those nations.
00:40:38.440The rest of the Bible is just all that playing out from the birth of Jesus, through his reign, through the end of Revelation, which we'll talk about it somewhere tomorrow when we talk about Armageddon.
00:40:49.020Well, yeah, tomorrow, relatively speaking, in our next episode.
00:40:53.220So the point is that they have to obey those rules because they are trying, the fallen Elohim are trying to affect the world, in the material world, and they have to say it before it happens.
00:41:03.660That's the whole reason behind predictive programming, which is, you know, the conspiracy world knows all about that.
00:41:08.340Like, why do these evil people, the elites and the Elohim that they worship, why do they tell us what they're going to do before they do it?
00:41:16.060It's not because they're trying to be fair.
00:41:19.080If they want it to manifest, they have to speak it.
00:41:21.380I was having an interesting conversation with my son yesterday.
00:41:25.380This is a little bit off topic, but I was trying to explain to him this idea of consent and these spiritual laws and how, you know, there are tropes within his cartoons of people signing their soul away on the dotted line or something like that.
00:41:40.460Right. There's a game that you like to play called Cuphead.
00:41:43.160And in the game, I believe there's like a deal with the devil.
00:41:45.580It's like an old timey sort of Betty Boop style animation video game.
00:41:50.320And and it starts with a deal with the devil.
00:41:53.140And, you know, he signs on this contract and everything.
00:41:55.400And I said, now, that's that's a cartoon version of what that consent looks like.
00:42:00.540You allow these things through through, you know, adherence to law to be able to influence you one way or the other, however they see fit.
00:42:10.840But in in the real world, our consent is much more diverse than than signing on the line.
00:42:17.240Right. It's it's attention possibly that you give to a thing, veneration that you give to a thing, willingness to engage with the thing.
00:42:25.060It's like even even the Ouija board, which is a great example, I think people can wrap their head around.
00:42:29.520It's like what you've done here is you've given consent to open dialogue.
00:43:06.680You have this thing on your wall that you're you're looking towards.
00:43:10.720You're giving veneration. You play the video game to you want to go see the movie.
00:43:14.340All of a sudden, this fictional character is what you're dumping your energy into.
00:43:18.660And I was just trying to explain to him the complexities of all the different ways in which we give consent.
00:43:23.880It's not just dotted line. But but but all of this is legalese.
00:43:27.540All of this is that it seems one of the things that I've really come to terms with through this.
00:43:32.460This show that we're doing is the spiritual realm is so much more.
00:43:36.600And this goes once again to the as above, so below. Right.
00:43:38.880A spiritual principle, I think, is a much better way of putting it than her hermetic.
00:43:42.260But we we do kind of allow ourselves and I, you know, to go back to how I fell into this during agnosticism, it's it's almost like, oh, well, we couldn't even possibly imagine what the spiritual realm is like.
00:43:59.060And in a way, I was using that to defend the legitimacy of spiritual warfare against the naysayers who were very short sighted and we're looking at this as a caricature.
00:47:27.320Calvinism causes a thought process that's going to lead to a contradiction, leads to depression.
00:47:32.760The way we help people off of antidepressants is we taught them, you know, who God is and how God brings about his will.
00:47:40.500And then they got rid of that contradiction.
00:47:43.480So my point is, is they've been trying to open up this portal into Scotland this whole time.
00:47:49.500Now, about three or four years ago, I started getting all these people from the UK contacting me, and they were seeing into that other realm.
00:51:55.380Well, people were seeing that in the 60s and you can't make people, you can't make money off of people.
00:52:03.220So Raven, the ultimate answer that I'm going to get to that you're trying to explain to your son and what you signed to deal with the devil is when you start valuing money in the physical.
00:52:11.760When you start valuing money, you start changing your thought process.
00:52:17.280And at some point you can't come back.
00:54:19.080But the thing is, is these people were having this experience.
00:54:23.180And they were able to go in this realm.
00:54:24.960And so if you think of all the prophets in the Old Testament, if one of them lived today and started telling you, like my favorite saying to Christians is this, you know, if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, God speaks to me through that tree, what do you say to them?
00:54:54.960And so, you know, if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, God speaks to me through that tree.
00:55:24.960And so, you know, if somebody comes up to you and says, hey, God speaks to me through that tree.
00:55:54.940A couple months ago, I'd be like, you're crazy.
00:55:58.020And so I say, what would you say, Raven?
00:56:01.380Well, I was just going to say that this opens up a much larger conversation because where Top and I have been, I've done psychedelics in the past.
00:56:07.680And I've had a fair bit of drug usage experience.
00:56:13.020But what I've come to the conclusion is – or two is that I think that these things, they do act as a portal.
00:56:20.800And oftentimes people will have a profound experience and are unable to discern the nature of that experience in the way that – the thing that they're communicating with.
00:56:32.120Sometimes I do think that you will run into something malevolent.
00:56:35.360But it's so profound and it's amazing.
00:56:37.120And this thing is willing to share with you some truths.
00:56:39.360And that sharing of truth, you mistake that for something that you should trust.
00:56:43.600And then it becomes a whole bigger problem.
00:56:45.780So something that Top and I have been exploring a lot on the show lately is this idea of like, in particular, dimethyltryptamine is heavily promoted by Joe Rogan and these float tanks and everything.
00:56:55.880And it's like a lot of these – like the float tanks came from an MKUltra program where they're trying to communicate with dolphins.
00:57:01.720Yeah, they're trying to psychically communicate with dolphins, and the dimethyltryptamine seems to lead you to a realm where you reliably communicate with something that we've been pretty well convinced are actually the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.
00:57:14.320But that being said, in my own personal usage on a mushroom experience, let's say, I had a profound elongated epiphany, essentially.
00:57:28.120I'm there for five hours. I'm having all these epiphanous moments of understanding where thoughts and motives come from and why individuals behave the way that they do.
00:57:37.960And ultimately, I don't think there was a negative experience to be had there, but we typically caution people against it.
00:57:43.660That being said, how much of the negative experience that people are having on psychedelics is set and setting and culture and things of that nature?
00:57:53.400So it becomes very complicated, but I don't think it's a situation where you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
00:58:00.320You got ahead of me again, which is amazing.
00:58:02.680You're like – this is dead on, okay?
00:58:04.880So let me catch up to you, okay, on that.
00:59:22.240Three years ago, they start contacting me, all these different people.
00:59:24.900And I start teaching them the rules of how to operate in that realm, which gets back to what you and Ed were talking about originally.
00:59:35.560So there are rules on how to operate in that realm, and you need to learn how to defend yourself, and you need to learn how to handle things the right way.
00:59:44.200So now what Ed was saying is that in that realm, it's all words.
01:23:16.940If you go into that realm, you take authority and you make statements.
01:23:21.000When you talk to people, you don't make statements.
01:23:24.300There's a way to communicate to people that's positive.
01:23:27.820And there's a way, and the way you talk in the spiritual realm is the opposite.
01:23:31.600And so that's the thing is there's, there's these three principles you want, you operate.
01:23:35.820So when you communicate to people, you should want to operate this way.
01:23:38.520When you communicate this realm, you want to operate the opposite.
01:23:41.480And then when you read the Bible, you're like, well, why didn't anybody else see this?
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01:24:41.960I want to amplify this really quickly because John just gave it.
01:25:19.600And also when you ask someone a question, you're putting yourself in the position where when you make a statement on someone, then John can explain this a little better.
01:25:29.260When you make a statement on someone, well, then they can use that and they can, John, you might be able to say this better.
01:25:37.360So here's the big picture on this is, is you are reforming your conscious brain every day by the words and sentences you say, think and hear.
01:25:50.340So that's the key is what you're saying, thinking and hearing from other people is, is rewiring your brain.
01:25:58.220And so there is, so there's three communication guidelines.
01:26:29.080You don't ask questions and you don't answer questions.
01:26:31.740So one of the ways I illustrate this right away, because the passage in the Bible, everybody thinks they know cold.
01:26:38.920And this is the way I love to do this with the Bible.
01:26:40.620Everybody thinks they understand the Bible, and then I start going through and asking them what was specifically said, and they can't put it together.
01:26:47.700And then when they actually read it, they go, why didn't I see this before?
01:26:51.400You know, in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve hear God.
01:29:13.040Yeah, and that's the disappointing part, too, right?
01:29:15.160It's like if my kid did something wrong, I don't want him to freak out, panic, blame a bunch of external things, or try to push it back on me.
01:29:23.420I'd like for him to just take ownership and just explain to me where he was at when he did it, you know?
01:46:40.340I see the distance between where this person is trying to be and where they're at.
01:46:45.200So we're all sitting in these chairs around the problem.
01:46:48.560The server Y gets up, walks all the way around the problem, sits down and they see all seven.
01:46:55.000They think everybody else sees all seven.
01:46:57.700They think everybody else is an idiot.
01:46:59.380And the thing is they have seven reasons for everything.
01:47:02.860So what I say about server wise is, is if you argue with them, you pack a lunch because like my doctor is a server Y and I was explaining this to him.
01:54:35.720Like Raven, you're doing like the healthiest thing you could do to a son might not work with a daughter, but I'm telling you right now, this is how so many people end up messing up their sons.
01:54:48.700So many guys, because they're not, I'm behind you.
01:54:53.020I got you, you know, don't worry about me thinking this about you.
01:54:57.400I've got, so let me tell you just that you're doing something that's humongously, you know, healthy.
01:55:03.620Now, here's the thing about tangible drivers.
01:55:06.260There was an article in Inc magazine, INC period that said hundreds of, of studies and Adam Grant all agree that the best leadership style is someone who understands the person's intrinsic motivation, which is intangible driver.
01:55:27.080So if the, if the leader, you know, in the mixed martial arts knew your son's intangible driver, he'd know how to say it that would energize him.
01:55:37.380He'd know how to say it to the kids that are crying, how to energize him.