Nephilim Death Squad - October 08, 2024


067: God Hated Esau w⧸ Justin Brown of Prometheus Lens Podcast


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 54 minutes

Words per Minute

163.77808

Word Count

18,764

Sentence Count

1,392

Misogynist Sentences

13

Hate Speech Sentences

83


Summary

Justin Brown of The Prometheus Lens Podcast joins us to discuss the rise of the Nephilim, the fall of the empire, and the rise and fall of a religious order. Join us on this episode of the Nedelyim Death Squad!


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 If you go into Leviticus chapter 17, it says in there,
00:00:35.520 to sleep with thy father's wife is to uncover thy father's nakedness.
00:00:45.200 And this was an act of dominance in the ancient world.
00:00:49.300 Reuben slept with his mother.
00:00:52.680 And then if you look at Absalom, which was David's son,
00:00:56.180 he run David out of the kingdom,
00:00:57.780 and the first thing he'd done is he pitched a tent on David's roof
00:01:01.600 and went into all of his concubines in sight of all of Israel.
00:01:06.380 This was a way to flex on the old man in the ancient times
00:01:09.840 and do a hostile takeover of the family.
00:01:12.120 So, with that in mind, it's like Ham, either his mother willingly slept with him
00:01:22.880 or he raped her, one of the two.
00:01:25.340 But either way, he slept with his mother
00:01:27.920 in an act of dominance wanting to take over the family.
00:01:31.780 And now this part, this right here, this little section is my conjecture.
00:01:35.860 It's almost like he'd done that and he went out to his brothers
00:01:40.160 and he said, Dad's not fit to rule anymore.
00:01:43.520 He's drunk.
00:01:44.700 He just drinks so he passes out, makes stupid decisions.
00:01:48.040 He's unfit to rule.
00:01:50.280 I've just done this thing.
00:01:52.420 If you guys go do it too, it'll be three on one.
00:01:55.480 He can't take us all on, and it's our time to rule.
00:01:58.680 But they refuse.
00:02:01.880 So, in the biblical context, it says that they take a garment,
00:02:06.120 place it on their shoulders, and walk backwards,
00:02:08.440 and cover their father's nakedness.
00:02:11.640 And then Noah wakes up, and then he says, you know,
00:02:16.920 Cursed be Canaan.
00:02:19.640 And he said, Ham, a servant to thy brothers you shall be.
00:02:23.860 We are being hypnotized by people like this.
00:02:29.640 News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers.
00:02:34.640 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.
00:02:43.060 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely true.
00:02:48.940 Oh, yeah, dude.
00:02:50.160 There's some Nephilim shit.
00:02:51.800 It's like we all know what's going down,
00:02:53.960 but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave.
00:02:56.860 These motherf*****s, they controlling this now.
00:02:59.180 I know we're talking about how they made us part of these slaves.
00:03:02.300 And everybody's just walking around,
00:03:04.360 heading to crime,
00:03:05.100 want to wake up to a dead in the grave.
00:03:07.520 But it's too late.
00:03:08.500 We need to be ready to raise up.
00:03:10.320 Welcome to the end of day.
00:03:12.060 Everybody is slaved.
00:03:13.240 Only some are aware that the government really...
00:03:16.040 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen,
00:03:19.320 to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.
00:03:22.380 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.
00:03:25.640 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
00:03:29.320 Before we introduce today's guest,
00:03:31.240 I would just like to remind our live viewers that this is a preview.
00:03:35.000 And around the half an hour mark,
00:03:36.580 we will be leaving YouTube and leaving Rumble
00:03:39.200 and going exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad.
00:03:43.680 If you want to continue watching
00:03:45.140 and having an ad-free viewing experience,
00:03:48.320 you can go to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad.
00:03:52.040 Today's guest is Justin Brown of the Prometheus Lens Podcast.
00:03:58.180 Justin, if you could, for the audience,
00:04:00.060 introduce yourself and let everybody know where they can find your work.
00:04:03.420 All right. Thanks for having me, guys.
00:04:06.180 Yeah, Justin Brown, just a 9-to-5 knuckle-dragging everyday Joe,
00:04:10.920 but always loved history, loved scripture,
00:04:13.960 and been deep diving on some of these subjects for over a decade now
00:04:18.900 and just decided to talk about it
00:04:21.000 and have these conversations with people like you
00:04:22.880 and authors and researchers.
00:04:24.900 Just enjoy every minute of it.
00:04:27.100 Big Bible nerd and history buff.
00:04:30.080 So just love diving down these rabbit trails,
00:04:32.560 and I think that a lot of these things are interconnected,
00:04:34.900 whether it's aliens, Jesus, ancient lost civilizations,
00:04:39.440 conspiracies, all this type of stuff.
00:04:41.140 But yeah, you can find me anywhere you can consume content,
00:04:45.200 Facebook, all the social medias, things like that.
00:04:48.360 Just search in Prometheus Lens Podcast,
00:04:50.740 and you can find me there.
00:04:53.140 Awesome, awesome.
00:04:54.100 Yeah, we found you in a bunch of places,
00:04:56.860 but it seems like other people have found you before us.
00:05:00.080 And I'm excited, man,
00:05:01.600 because it's not very often that you get somebody that kind of like...
00:05:04.440 So you're just like casually reading into this stuff for 10 years
00:05:07.200 and never decided to make a...
00:05:09.560 You decided...
00:05:10.100 When did you make your show?
00:05:10.920 When did this whole show start?
00:05:13.240 Well, yeah, because basically,
00:05:14.680 I'm a jack of all trades but a master of nothing.
00:05:17.740 I guess I'm a generalist.
00:05:18.920 But honestly, yeah,
00:05:21.480 just probably around 2012,
00:05:23.040 just deep diving and reading.
00:05:24.620 You know, I read, you know,
00:05:26.060 at least a couple books every month.
00:05:28.320 It's a fire that I've started and I can't put out, man.
00:05:31.500 I can't get enough.
00:05:32.380 But no, it was maybe 2022.
00:05:37.500 I was hanging out with some friends
00:05:39.080 and thought I would start a Bible study.
00:05:41.460 And I was introducing these guys to the Mike Heiser's Unseen Realm
00:05:45.900 and the supernatural worldview of the Bible
00:05:48.120 because I grew up in church most of my life.
00:05:51.520 And when I started hearing about these Nephilim giants,
00:05:53.760 fallen angels, the sons of God,
00:05:55.960 and the Deuteronomy 32 worldview,
00:05:58.160 that there's actual entities ruling over the nations.
00:06:01.960 And that explains all the wickedness of today
00:06:04.440 and just all these different topics.
00:06:06.180 I was like, man, I need to share this with other people.
00:06:09.300 I invited 15, 20 people, had three guys show up.
00:06:12.940 We had three meetings.
00:06:14.120 And then my buddy was like,
00:06:15.600 we're talking about a lot of profound stuff here, man.
00:06:18.420 We should start a podcast.
00:06:19.980 And at this point, I didn't even really know what podcasting was.
00:06:24.120 I knew it was internet radio.
00:06:25.680 So I'd never messed with audio.
00:06:27.380 I'd never messed with video.
00:06:29.200 I was completely just coming in ignorant.
00:06:32.660 And we'd done that.
00:06:33.580 And that show was called The Dig Bible Podcast.
00:06:36.220 We'd done that for, I think, two years now.
00:06:39.340 And so then I decided to start this and just go deeper
00:06:42.560 instead of just looking at the Bible,
00:06:44.200 look at ancient history and all the other gambit of topics
00:06:47.480 that I'm fascinated with.
00:06:48.740 But this show has only been, it's not even a year yet.
00:06:52.280 It'll be a year at the end of the month.
00:06:54.560 And God's blessed it, man.
00:06:56.140 There's no other way to explain it
00:06:57.460 because I don't, like I said,
00:06:59.340 I didn't know anything about audio, about video,
00:07:01.320 any of this stuff.
00:07:02.520 And not even a year in and surpassed 100,000 downloads.
00:07:06.800 I'm in the top 100 in Spotify and Apple for my category.
00:07:12.500 And just God's blessed it, man.
00:07:14.220 I enjoy it, man.
00:07:15.300 And so it's every day, it's a different adventure.
00:07:19.200 We have a kinship in that way, right?
00:07:21.420 Like it's not just the content that we explore
00:07:24.520 where there's a tremendous overlap
00:07:26.160 between your show and our show.
00:07:27.620 But we also started technically,
00:07:29.820 we're three days away now, top,
00:07:32.040 to the technical birth of Nephilim Death Squad.
00:07:35.580 Technically we passed it,
00:07:37.060 but we didn't have a YouTube channel for it
00:07:39.220 until October 7th.
00:07:41.140 So we kind of share that in common.
00:07:42.980 That's a lot of fun.
00:07:43.600 We made it on October 7th, didn't that whole, like,
00:07:46.480 oh my God.
00:07:47.540 Yeah, dude, I don't know what.
00:07:50.160 They're like, they're flying into Gaza
00:07:51.820 on their little parachutes or whatever.
00:07:54.080 And we're just like, I'm going to make a YouTube page.
00:07:56.060 Yeah, yeah, on that day.
00:07:57.540 So we share that in common.
00:07:59.940 It's also our one year anniversary.
00:08:02.200 But this is, what we've come to discuss today
00:08:05.460 is a fascinating topic
00:08:06.620 because Esau is a fascinating character within the Bible.
00:08:13.280 And I really am excited today to explore that.
00:08:16.980 But there's another component to the story of Esau
00:08:20.080 that I think you've done an excellent job
00:08:22.480 of doing a deep dig on
00:08:23.800 and providing compelling evidence
00:08:25.520 to support the theory that you have,
00:08:27.680 which is these garments that are associated with Esau
00:08:30.260 and many characters throughout the Bible.
00:08:32.760 David, I'm going to derail you again for a second.
00:08:34.900 Because I know, like, David's like,
00:08:36.120 he's at the diving board.
00:08:37.500 I'm excited.
00:08:38.360 I told you, I was excited for this.
00:08:40.180 But I'm going to push you off the diving board
00:08:41.740 for a second.
00:08:42.660 I just, I got to ask.
00:08:43.860 So 10 years you've been looking into this
00:08:45.760 with your friends.
00:08:47.040 You had a Bible group.
00:08:48.020 I would love to do a show with Thumb
00:08:49.600 because I feel like that would be a fun,
00:08:51.280 like, hectic show.
00:08:52.740 But what is the first one that got you here?
00:08:56.820 Like, oftentimes you'll ask conspiracy theorists.
00:08:58.980 What's your first conspiracy theory
00:09:00.580 that grabbed you by the nuts
00:09:03.200 and didn't let you go?
00:09:04.340 And you're like,
00:09:04.740 well, I guess I'm here for the rest of my life.
00:09:07.100 How did you get into that?
00:09:09.160 Honestly, it was the Giants.
00:09:14.040 Yeah, when I first found out, you know,
00:09:16.280 about this type of stuff,
00:09:17.900 it was a Trey Smith video
00:09:19.640 that I stumbled across on YouTube.
00:09:21.460 And he was talking about, you know,
00:09:23.660 angels coming down and breeding
00:09:25.340 with the daughters of men
00:09:26.520 and creating Nephilim giants.
00:09:28.740 And that all the major rebellions of the Bible
00:09:31.660 involve these sons of God.
00:09:34.360 And like I said, I grew up in church.
00:09:35.820 I was like, man, this dude's making stuff up.
00:09:38.060 So I started going through my Bible, you know,
00:09:40.000 and then I started looking into the Hebrew
00:09:42.120 and the original languages and stuff like that.
00:09:44.700 And then it opened up, man.
00:09:45.920 It was like, no, it's, it's, he's right.
00:09:47.720 It's there.
00:09:48.240 And it just blew my mind.
00:09:49.400 And so it was like all these connection points
00:09:53.400 and questions that I had in my head
00:09:55.680 just all began getting answered.
00:09:58.800 And like the conspiracy theorists
00:10:00.700 with the red yarn and the picture
00:10:02.640 tacked up on the wall.
00:10:04.120 That's what I, it was me.
00:10:05.280 I had a cigarette in each hand
00:10:07.100 and red string tying everything together
00:10:09.280 and just standing back
00:10:10.360 and looking at all this stuff.
00:10:12.280 And it was, it was just mind blowing.
00:10:14.040 And once that fire was lit, I couldn't stop.
00:10:18.140 That's kind of how we, we got onto this whole idea.
00:10:21.100 It was like, we, we, we kind of coined the term Nephilim shit.
00:10:25.680 And it, it became a meme at the time.
00:10:28.700 What was happening?
00:10:29.800 I think, uh, well, UFOs in Vegas,
00:10:32.560 right around the same time.
00:10:34.020 It was around that.
00:10:34.460 It was around that time.
00:10:35.180 Yeah.
00:10:35.460 Yeah.
00:10:35.740 So from there we started saying Nephilim shit.
00:10:38.020 And then, uh, in Miami, you had the Nephilim walking around, right?
00:10:43.100 Or they, they actually, at the mall.
00:10:45.040 Yeah.
00:10:45.180 They, they said the Miami mall Nephilim or something like that.
00:10:48.280 There were reports of that.
00:10:49.160 So it got into the vernacular of the public conscious somehow
00:10:53.640 with this like Nephilim shit idea,
00:10:55.620 because it encompasses everything.
00:10:57.800 And it was the same thing for me.
00:10:59.340 Once I saw that, once I kind of seen how like
00:11:02.500 all these pieces tie together,
00:11:03.800 then I went and I re like, re-looked at the Bible.
00:11:06.240 I haven't re-read it yet,
00:11:07.220 but I'm, I'm re-reading parts because this is a dense book,
00:11:10.440 but everything makes a lot more sense now,
00:11:13.620 especially the Old Testament.
00:11:15.420 When I read it as a, as a kid,
00:11:17.380 and then as a teenager again,
00:11:18.640 and as a young adult again,
00:11:19.980 when I got back in where I met my wife and all that,
00:11:22.780 I, it's just like the Old Testament was boring to me.
00:11:27.080 A lot of these and nows,
00:11:28.480 and then a lot of crap that you're like,
00:11:29.920 I don't know what the hell this means.
00:11:31.280 I don't know what they're talking about.
00:11:32.440 Kill everything, leave nothing.
00:11:34.180 Like this is, this is crazy for me.
00:11:36.440 Going back and reading, it's like,
00:11:37.820 this is the best book ever written.
00:11:39.520 Ever.
00:11:39.920 Hands down.
00:11:40.600 I never had that sort of,
00:11:42.120 I didn't have a foundation in, in,
00:11:44.720 in Christianity or anything like that growing up.
00:11:46.600 I'm now, I just got to,
00:11:49.160 I might be at like Exodus three,
00:11:51.420 chapter three or something like that.
00:11:52.720 So I just got through Genesis.
00:11:54.440 I just got onto Exodus.
00:11:56.340 And it's interesting because I get to explore the Bible for the first time
00:12:00.180 with this,
00:12:01.180 these sort of presuppositions already in place.
00:12:04.100 These, you know,
00:12:05.060 people that are sort of my anchor points, right?
00:12:07.420 Gary Wayne, Michael Heiser,
00:12:08.720 characters like that,
00:12:09.600 LA Marzulli.
00:12:10.800 And so it's,
00:12:12.860 I would agree with that sentiment.
00:12:14.440 I was a lifelong conspiracy theorist since a teenager,
00:12:17.620 but these things,
00:12:20.340 these conspiracies all acted as an island separate from one another.
00:12:24.420 And it wasn't until I got the Bible.
00:12:27.720 Yeah.
00:12:28.380 And it wasn't until I got the biblical lens that it pulled all of them
00:12:31.380 together.
00:12:31.740 And I realized that these things aren't separate and that the fall in the
00:12:35.500 Nephilim and,
00:12:37.160 and really Jesus Christ and God are the,
00:12:39.280 the connected tissue to all these things.
00:12:41.140 And so I just find it interesting because there's,
00:12:43.920 there's so much overlap between what you do and,
00:12:46.380 and what we do.
00:12:47.540 And I think we're entering maybe a new era because of those four mentioned
00:12:51.780 people, right?
00:12:52.300 Gary Wayne and Michael Heiser and characters like that.
00:12:54.420 of understanding the realm that we inhabit.
00:12:57.620 Yeah.
00:12:58.080 And they're bridges,
00:12:59.040 you know what I mean?
00:12:59.660 They're,
00:13:00.020 they're,
00:13:00.340 they connect all these different points and especially I've always loved
00:13:04.100 ancient mythology and was fascinated by it and all the common themes.
00:13:09.480 You know,
00:13:10.040 when you look into the Greek mythology,
00:13:12.820 you have,
00:13:13.580 you know,
00:13:13.800 this divine council of Zeus and all these other gods.
00:13:17.980 Well,
00:13:18.060 that's a biblical theme.
00:13:19.720 And so when I found that,
00:13:21.080 you know,
00:13:21.440 in Psalms 82,
00:13:22.940 it talks about,
00:13:24.620 you know,
00:13:24.860 how long will you rule unjustly?
00:13:26.720 You are a gods.
00:13:27.960 All of you sons of the most high,
00:13:29.360 you desire to live the eternal life.
00:13:31.580 How long will you show partiality to the wicked?
00:13:34.080 But no,
00:13:34.580 you shall die and fall like any prince.
00:13:36.960 And then it says,
00:13:38.380 you know,
00:13:38.520 God sets in judgment in his divine council.
00:13:41.740 And that Job scene where Satan strolls up and they're talking,
00:13:45.120 you see all this in the Bible.
00:13:47.240 And for me growing up and hearing all these stories,
00:13:50.140 I knew them well,
00:13:51.160 they were,
00:13:51.580 you know,
00:13:51.900 pounded into my head.
00:13:53.340 So when I got this new pair of glasses,
00:13:55.940 so to speak,
00:13:57.500 I was reading a whole new book.
00:13:59.100 And for me,
00:13:59.660 I thought I knew these stories.
00:14:02.060 No,
00:14:02.400 I did not know these stories.
00:14:06.660 You know,
00:14:07.660 I,
00:14:08.600 I,
00:14:08.880 I kind of want to bring this back then to,
00:14:12.840 because before we started the show,
00:14:14.460 I was sitting here with top and I was telling him that I was,
00:14:16.380 I was pumped.
00:14:16.900 And I don't want to say that I don't get excited for other shows.
00:14:19.840 It's just like,
00:14:20.520 we've been on a rampage lately.
00:14:22.440 We've been producing five,
00:14:24.820 six shows sometimes per week.
00:14:26.700 Um,
00:14:27.920 and I have noticed that I've almost gotten into the,
00:14:32.780 just the,
00:14:33.240 the machinery of what we're doing.
00:14:35.380 The gears are turning and we're constantly cranking out content,
00:14:38.820 but,
00:14:39.460 um,
00:14:40.020 I found myself genuinely excited to do this episode more so than other ones,
00:14:45.220 because Esau to me is a fascinating topic as somebody who has been going
00:14:51.280 through the Bible,
00:14:51.960 uh,
00:14:52.960 for the first time recently,
00:14:54.220 when it came to Esau from the outside,
00:14:58.360 looking in,
00:14:59.020 it,
00:14:59.740 it almost seems like,
00:15:02.220 um,
00:15:02.820 you could have empathy for Esau because it looks like in every which way he
00:15:07.500 sort of gets screwed,
00:15:08.700 right?
00:15:08.980 Like when it comes to coming in from the fields and he's nearly on death's
00:15:14.660 door and he runs just Jews him,
00:15:16.960 right?
00:15:17.320 Yeah.
00:15:17.640 And his brother just kind of goes like,
00:15:19.140 Oh,
00:15:19.340 okay.
00:15:19.580 You want this soup?
00:15:20.940 Um,
00:15:21.580 you,
00:15:22.100 you've got to trade me your birthright.
00:15:23.480 And now I know you just said as,
00:15:25.560 as God intended,
00:15:26.380 right?
00:15:26.580 And it's,
00:15:26.980 it's from the,
00:15:28.240 from their birth,
00:15:29.020 this was preordained,
00:15:30.340 but without that context,
00:15:32.960 you look at it and you go,
00:15:34.040 Oh damn,
00:15:34.520 that's a little bit screwed up.
00:15:35.500 And then when it goes to his own mother,
00:15:37.840 this is why I named the episode,
00:15:39.420 this God hated Esau.
00:15:40.640 It's one of those things in the Bible.
00:15:41.800 When I read,
00:15:42.300 I was like,
00:15:42.640 that's messed up.
00:15:43.980 And then it doesn't,
00:15:44.940 you,
00:15:45.040 you,
00:15:45.680 like we had an episode yesterday about understanding God and I did not
00:15:49.440 understand God at all.
00:15:50.280 I was like,
00:15:50.520 so,
00:15:50.940 so let me get this right.
00:15:51.860 This guy was born and use God was just like,
00:15:53.840 hell with that guy.
00:15:55.540 And then there's no reason really.
00:15:57.680 It's just like,
00:15:58.000 he hated him next,
00:16:00.260 next verse.
00:16:01.240 And then it seems like his own,
00:16:02.520 his own mother betrays him.
00:16:04.260 Right.
00:16:04.760 Yeah.
00:16:05.060 When it comes to orchestrating the entire stealing of the birthright.
00:16:08.820 So there's a lot of things with,
00:16:10.580 with Esau that are seemingly mysterious.
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00:16:39.060 I'm excited to get into this topic today and you're going to forgive us.
00:16:48.520 You're going to have to forgive us.
00:16:49.440 Cause we're going to derail you with a million questions as we go through this
00:16:52.460 episode,
00:16:52.800 but I want you to do your damnedest to start where you think this story should
00:16:58.860 be started because there's so much to shut up to it's yeah.
00:17:01.840 It's yeah.
00:17:02.280 Yeah.
00:17:02.480 Yeah.
00:17:02.700 But we're going to,
00:17:03.660 we're going to derail you.
00:17:04.860 We're going to interrupt you,
00:17:05.800 but please,
00:17:06.520 Justin start this where you think it should be started.
00:17:09.960 Okay.
00:17:10.760 And for those that are familiar with the story,
00:17:13.680 I apologize if I sound redundant,
00:17:16.100 but I think some of this stuff we can't take for granted that people know the
00:17:20.600 biblical story and know the details of Esau.
00:17:23.520 So some of this might be mundane to some of the listeners and viewers that,
00:17:28.860 you know,
00:17:29.600 but we have to take into account there's quite a bit of people that don't know the
00:17:33.220 story of Esau or don't even know the most basic things.
00:17:36.520 Um,
00:17:37.240 so Esau is,
00:17:38.980 I compare him to the,
00:17:40.400 the Genesis six narrative because here,
00:17:43.480 Genesis six,
00:17:44.220 we have this little blurb.
00:17:45.320 It says,
00:17:45.800 you know,
00:17:46.180 uh,
00:17:46.420 the sons of God came down,
00:17:47.600 bread with the daughters of men.
00:17:48.780 You know,
00:17:49.200 they were the mighty men of old men of renowned.
00:17:51.580 Then boom,
00:17:52.100 it moves on.
00:17:54.180 Well,
00:17:54.620 that's a pretty big deal.
00:17:56.640 And the reason why is because they had all these other scrolls circulating.
00:18:02.300 They had these other,
00:18:03.700 what we call apocryphal books circulating.
00:18:07.940 They also had oral traditions.
00:18:10.280 So this was something that was already well established,
00:18:13.400 well covered.
00:18:14.080 They didn't feel they needed to theoretically beat a dead horse.
00:18:17.480 So they didn't cover it much.
00:18:19.020 And I believe that this is the same situation with this character Esau.
00:18:23.900 You know,
00:18:24.360 we get a description of his birth and all of a sudden he,
00:18:28.440 uh,
00:18:29.080 trades his birthright when he gets older.
00:18:31.420 And then he marries off into some,
00:18:33.520 uh,
00:18:34.400 Canaanite clans that he was forbidden to,
00:18:36.560 to go into.
00:18:37.360 Then you don't hear nothing else.
00:18:38.520 And then later in the new Testament or sorry,
00:18:41.540 not the new Testament,
00:18:42.360 where was it where it said,
00:18:43.380 and Esau,
00:18:44.680 I hated.
00:18:46.640 So it's like,
00:18:47.700 you don't hear much about him,
00:18:49.620 but if you go to these,
00:18:50.920 uh,
00:18:52.080 extra biblical books,
00:18:53.500 those are your bridge gaps.
00:18:55.660 Like we talked about earlier.
00:18:57.400 Romans 9,
00:18:58.220 13.
00:18:59.160 Yeah.
00:18:59.540 I thought it was new Testament.
00:19:00.580 Yeah.
00:19:01.040 I love Jesus.
00:19:03.200 Uh,
00:19:03.480 he saw,
00:19:03.920 I hated that's it.
00:19:05.640 Yeah.
00:19:06.060 Yeah.
00:19:06.320 And just to piggyback off of what,
00:19:08.840 what Justin's saying too,
00:19:09.920 it's like,
00:19:10.340 there are other descriptives that they very much in the same way where it's
00:19:14.260 like,
00:19:14.480 uh,
00:19:14.840 uh,
00:19:15.380 mighty men,
00:19:16.480 you know,
00:19:16.700 men of renown.
00:19:17.360 And then it just moves on.
00:19:19.020 It's like,
00:19:19.620 Oh,
00:19:19.760 by the way,
00:19:20.360 he was covered in wool.
00:19:22.660 It seems so anyway.
00:19:24.120 And then you just keep going like,
00:19:26.200 uh,
00:19:26.560 and,
00:19:26.740 and I know we'll get into it,
00:19:27.720 but there is a moment in the Bible where his brother to
00:19:30.360 disguise himself as Esau covers his arms in wool,
00:19:34.820 uh,
00:19:35.580 so that his blind father won't detect that it's not actually Jacob.
00:19:38.620 And that's something that like,
00:19:40.460 you know,
00:19:40.880 people don't really,
00:19:41.760 they don't really explain that.
00:19:42.760 I just go,
00:19:43.060 yeah,
00:19:43.160 he was a very hairy guy.
00:19:44.480 And it's like,
00:19:44.760 but Justin,
00:19:45.200 this would,
00:19:45.680 this would actually,
00:19:46.360 so like the Bible is,
00:19:47.280 is a compendium of books and it's leading up to,
00:19:49.520 um,
00:19:51.080 man,
00:19:51.260 when was,
00:19:51.600 uh,
00:19:51.780 I guess the,
00:19:52.320 the latest book written,
00:19:53.320 it would have had to have been written in like 70 years AD or
00:19:56.160 something like that.
00:19:56.720 Right.
00:19:57.460 In order for it to be included in the new Testament.
00:19:59.940 So they,
00:20:01.480 in the new Testament,
00:20:02.060 they also kind of briefly just talk about like,
00:20:04.240 I don't know,
00:20:04.560 Jesus meets a dog faced woman and they're like,
00:20:06.460 yeah,
00:20:06.640 yeah,
00:20:06.780 yeah.
00:20:07.140 You know the deal.
00:20:08.060 So it was like how these,
00:20:09.380 these Nephilim were on the earth before those days and,
00:20:13.660 and,
00:20:13.900 and after is what they're saying.
00:20:15.520 So it was like up until when did they stop seeing Nephilim and,
00:20:19.340 and this being a normal thing?
00:20:20.440 Cause I wouldn't mention if I'm like,
00:20:21.980 like,
00:20:22.200 Hey,
00:20:22.280 I'm going to write a book.
00:20:22.960 It was like in this book,
00:20:23.820 there are black people.
00:20:26.000 And then like,
00:20:26.680 for like not thinking this is for like centuries down,
00:20:29.100 let's say there are no black people anymore.
00:20:30.860 It wouldn't.
00:20:31.420 Yeah.
00:20:31.720 I would not preface it with that.
00:20:33.880 Right.
00:20:34.580 So it's like how,
00:20:35.580 then it gets you thinking like how long,
00:20:37.840 how long have we been living,
00:20:39.160 not necessarily seeing these things or as a common phenomenon,
00:20:42.900 we see them as a cryptids now,
00:20:46.040 but,
00:20:46.280 and it's very recent,
00:20:47.440 I would assume.
00:20:48.140 And that's why it's so important to immerse yourself in the culture and the
00:20:52.260 times of the people that wrote the book and who it was written to.
00:20:56.400 Just like today,
00:20:57.640 you know,
00:20:57.920 if we buried a,
00:21:00.600 I don't know,
00:21:01.220 a times magazine and it had all the current news and stuff in it.
00:21:05.080 And then,
00:21:05.760 you know,
00:21:06.600 one of us gets a divine revelation from God and we write it and it ends up
00:21:10.900 making it into the Bible.
00:21:12.140 It's this holy book,
00:21:13.180 whatever,
00:21:13.700 very important.
00:21:14.680 And then two or three thousand years later,
00:21:17.400 somebody digs up this time magazine and it's talking about,
00:21:21.600 you know,
00:21:21.940 the pop stars,
00:21:22.960 what they were doing,
00:21:24.120 uh,
00:21:24.420 what the president,
00:21:25.700 uh,
00:21:25.980 who the president was and just all these cultural things.
00:21:29.560 And it does mention some stuff about this new revelation.
00:21:33.980 This guy had people of that time.
00:21:37.620 If we compare it to today,
00:21:39.140 how they look at the extra biblical stuff,
00:21:41.100 they'll say,
00:21:41.560 that's not divine inspired.
00:21:43.080 It has no value.
00:21:44.320 You don't need to read it.
00:21:45.700 Well,
00:21:46.080 at that,
00:21:46.480 that time magazine,
00:21:47.320 it might not be divine inspired,
00:21:49.700 but it gives you a mindset of the people of that time,
00:21:53.420 what they think,
00:21:54.300 what they seen,
00:21:55.200 what was going on.
00:21:56.220 And that way you can get a better understanding of that new revelation
00:22:00.600 that was written because it was written there in that time.
00:22:04.280 So context of the,
00:22:05.620 of the people is so very important and we miss it with our modern
00:22:09.260 viewpoint.
00:22:11.100 That's actually a great way of putting it too,
00:22:13.020 because if for some reason that new revelation did mention,
00:22:17.280 you know,
00:22:18.160 I don't know,
00:22:18.780 pop stars,
00:22:19.820 and it just mentioned they're up in there dancing on a stage or
00:22:22.720 whatever,
00:22:22.980 you would look at that and you would think that's strange.
00:22:24.580 And if it was just a short detail,
00:22:26.260 you might go past it.
00:22:27.220 It's not like you would stop to go.
00:22:28.600 Well,
00:22:28.880 what pop stars are and their cultural context at the time is X,
00:22:34.360 Y,
00:22:34.620 and Z.
00:22:35.000 This is how it got started.
00:22:36.540 Here is many examples.
00:22:38.060 No,
00:22:38.580 that's not part of it.
00:22:40.080 And so in,
00:22:40.780 in that way,
00:22:41.500 when it's talking about dog face women,
00:22:43.760 or when it's talking about a man who's got hair on his body,
00:22:47.500 like wool,
00:22:48.200 it's not going to stop and say,
00:22:51.400 now there was a precedence for men with hair on their body,
00:22:55.260 like wool,
00:22:56.120 and this is what they were.
00:22:57.380 Here's many examples of them.
00:22:58.760 And here's how they interacted with society.
00:23:00.860 It doesn't do that.
00:23:01.780 It just says,
00:23:02.640 this is this person.
00:23:04.360 Here's a detail about them.
00:23:05.540 Anyway,
00:23:05.900 moving on.
00:23:06.480 So,
00:23:06.620 yeah,
00:23:06.740 I can appreciate that.
00:23:08.120 It's not written to,
00:23:09.440 to clue people in,
00:23:10.620 in the future.
00:23:11.440 It's interesting though,
00:23:12.220 how they did reference like them as men,
00:23:14.420 like almost like their peers,
00:23:16.960 right?
00:23:17.600 Because when they are mentioned,
00:23:18.720 they're not,
00:23:19.220 if,
00:23:19.540 if we wrote a book about Bigfoot and be like,
00:23:21.700 yo,
00:23:21.800 that was a fricking Bigfoot here.
00:23:24.020 And that's like,
00:23:24.660 it would be exclamation points.
00:23:25.660 They're like,
00:23:25.840 no,
00:23:25.960 this is just another guy,
00:23:26.940 but he,
00:23:28.040 he looked like a dog or something.
00:23:29.620 Yeah.
00:23:30.040 He's one of those guys.
00:23:31.120 He's just a giant guy.
00:23:32.440 So it was like,
00:23:33.240 yeah,
00:23:33.480 they're,
00:23:33.980 they're treating them as almost equals because they're probably bartering with them.
00:23:37.200 I mean,
00:23:37.520 they hate them.
00:23:38.500 Well,
00:23:38.680 yeah,
00:23:38.880 because then you could even begin to speculate that,
00:23:41.120 like the,
00:23:41.920 the lack of emphasis that's put on these seemingly strange details to us indicates that this is not strange to them whatsoever.
00:23:50.380 No,
00:23:50.740 it's very common.
00:23:52.420 So when you get to,
00:23:53.900 to Esau,
00:23:54.920 the first mention of him is his conception and his mother,
00:24:02.340 Rebecca becomes pregnant and the angel,
00:24:05.300 the Lord comes and basically comes to her and gives her this prophecy.
00:24:09.900 And that's in Genesis 25 verse 22.
00:24:13.380 And it says,
00:24:14.560 the children struggled together within her.
00:24:16.560 So she inquired of the Lord.
00:24:18.560 And it said,
00:24:18.900 the Lord said,
00:24:19.660 two nations are in your womb and two peoples from within you shall be divided.
00:24:26.320 And one shall be stronger than the other.
00:24:32.100 So right away,
00:24:33.480 we're told,
00:24:34.940 you know,
00:24:35.440 there's two nations,
00:24:37.280 there's two peoples,
00:24:38.980 and that they would be divided and one will be stronger than the other.
00:24:43.300 And so that's the first time we hear about him.
00:24:45.860 So,
00:24:46.000 but if we go to Genesis three in the garden,
00:24:49.200 I think this is the,
00:24:51.280 the origin point.
00:24:52.220 And in the words of LA Marzulli,
00:24:54.180 cause I heard you guys mentioned him,
00:24:55.640 it all hinges on Genesis three 15 in this seed war.
00:25:00.920 And at this fall,
00:25:02.500 uh,
00:25:02.920 in chapter three,
00:25:03.740 starting in verse 14,
00:25:05.240 this is the cursing.
00:25:06.320 When they fail,
00:25:07.480 it says,
00:25:08.440 the Lord God said,
00:25:09.260 the serpent,
00:25:09.660 because you've done this cursed above you,
00:25:11.860 accursed are you above all livestock and above all beasts of the field on your belly.
00:25:15.600 You shall go dust.
00:25:16.600 You shall eat all the days of your life.
00:25:18.420 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring.
00:25:25.560 He shall bruise your head and you shall bruise his heel.
00:25:31.420 And it says,
00:25:32.280 the man called his wife,
00:25:33.620 uh,
00:25:34.120 Eve,
00:25:34.520 because she was the mother of all living.
00:25:36.120 And the Lord God made for Adam and his wife garments of skins and clothed them.
00:25:43.260 And for those that are not familiar,
00:25:45.340 Michael Heiser done a lot of just groundbreaking work on this word.
00:25:49.940 This word for serpent in Hebrew is Nakash.
00:25:54.180 And just like the English language,
00:25:56.680 the Hebrew language is very diverse.
00:25:58.660 One word can have multiple meanings.
00:26:00.560 So you have to insert those different ones into the context and see which one fits best.
00:26:06.120 And one of those alternative definitions is the shining one or the one who practices divination.
00:26:13.440 So to me,
00:26:15.100 that one makes a lot more sense that this was a divine being on God's divine counsel on his holy mountain and that rebelled.
00:26:26.060 There's another interesting definition of that word.
00:26:29.960 And Dr.
00:26:30.800 Laura Sanger brings it up because she has a book about the Federal Reserve having its roots from the Nephilim,
00:26:37.080 basically.
00:26:37.620 But the word Nakash is to mean,
00:26:39.700 it means to deceive,
00:26:41.140 but it also means to lend on interest.
00:26:43.480 And it's funny how all these translations of this word or all the definitions of this word kind of do point back to the shining one,
00:26:52.080 to Lucifer,
00:26:52.760 to the original fallen angel himself,
00:26:54.960 no matter which definition it is,
00:26:57.240 in my opinion.
00:26:57.760 Yeah,
00:26:58.440 I do find that interesting as well because it doesn't necessarily seem like it's one definition.
00:27:04.640 It seems like they all kind of lend to one word being incredibly diverse and descriptive,
00:27:12.200 which is very interesting because if you are thinking that the Bible isn't that descriptive,
00:27:18.460 you might be shocked when you start to look into the translation of a word and find that just one word on its own has so much different context.
00:27:24.980 And maybe all of it applies in some way.
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00:27:59.040 And when you get to,
00:28:00.700 which I won't read at all,
00:28:02.240 but for those that want to look it up,
00:28:03.720 Ezekiel 28,
00:28:05.380 and many scholars are in agreement that this is talking to the king of Tyre,
00:28:12.140 obviously,
00:28:12.980 but halfway through it changes.
00:28:15.020 And he's talking to a divine being that's behind this ruler and pulling the strings,
00:28:20.540 basically.
00:28:20.960 And in there,
00:28:22.420 you can tell when it changes because he's calling out the king and he's talking about a human person,
00:28:27.480 but then all of a sudden it changes.
00:28:29.620 And it says that you were in the garden of God.
00:28:32.180 You know,
00:28:33.440 you are perfect in all your ways.
00:28:35.460 All the precious stones were your coverings.
00:28:40.120 And it lists,
00:28:41.080 and it lists,
00:28:41.180 you know,
00:28:41.480 sardis,
00:28:42.000 topaz,
00:28:42.660 diamond,
00:28:43.080 barrel,
00:28:43.460 onyx,
00:28:43.860 jasper,
00:28:44.640 all these different stones.
00:28:45.900 and gold inlays were your engravings and your settings.
00:28:50.920 And they were made for you on the day you were created.
00:28:53.780 But then iniquity was in fact was found in you.
00:28:56.420 And it goes on,
00:28:57.400 it says in the abundance of your trade,
00:28:59.360 unrighteousness was found in you and you profaned your sanctuaries.
00:29:05.140 So,
00:29:05.720 you know,
00:29:05.940 the scholarship is almost unanimous that this is talking to Satan.
00:29:11.040 Can you pull that back top for a second?
00:29:13.040 Cause I,
00:29:13.340 I do have something just,
00:29:14.740 it,
00:29:14.980 it,
00:29:15.160 it actually plays into yesterday's episode when,
00:29:18.040 um,
00:29:18.820 uh,
00:29:19.400 uh,
00:29:20.020 I'm sorry.
00:29:20.440 What was his name?
00:29:21.020 We spoke to,
00:29:21.800 was it John?
00:29:23.540 John Lenhart and,
00:29:24.820 and Ed Mabry.
00:29:25.880 And I noticed something here.
00:29:27.500 You said,
00:29:28.220 uh,
00:29:28.500 Justin,
00:29:28.820 that it switches over and he's talking to,
00:29:30.760 um,
00:29:31.600 a divine being suddenly a spiritual entity.
00:29:34.260 And I noticed that for the first half he's,
00:29:37.060 he's,
00:29:37.520 was it Ezekiel 28?
00:29:38.940 I'm sorry.
00:29:40.220 Yeah.
00:29:41.080 Okay.
00:29:41.360 It just changed on me.
00:29:42.560 It's weird.
00:29:43.040 So in the first half,
00:29:44.960 it looks like he's asking a bunch of questions.
00:29:47.320 If you scroll down top to where all of a sudden there is a,
00:29:50.680 uh,
00:29:51.560 um,
00:29:52.120 man,
00:29:52.820 I can't,
00:29:53.480 it doesn't look the same to me anymore.
00:29:55.120 Maybe it's a different version,
00:29:56.200 but it looked like when he was speaking to the,
00:29:58.000 to the,
00:29:58.580 to the king,
00:29:59.340 he was asking him a bunch of questions.
00:30:01.080 And then all of a sudden when it switched over to him,
00:30:02.940 to speaking to the,
00:30:03.680 uh,
00:30:04.100 the spiritual entity,
00:30:05.200 he was stating a bunch of things.
00:30:07.640 Uh,
00:30:08.040 and that was something that we learned yesterday about the way that God
00:30:11.640 interacts with humans and the way that God interacts with the spiritual
00:30:15.180 realm with human beings.
00:30:17.080 He asks a lot of questions.
00:30:18.640 So for example,
00:30:19.340 when it comes to Adam and Eve,
00:30:20.660 it's where are you when he's looking for them in the garden?
00:30:24.000 And then it's Job.
00:30:25.280 Yeah.
00:30:25.620 And then it's,
00:30:26.120 yes.
00:30:26.400 And it's,
00:30:26.740 it's also,
00:30:27.680 who has told you that you are naked.
00:30:30.400 And then he goes to Eve and he goes,
00:30:32.340 why have you done this thing?
00:30:33.940 Will thou yet say before him that slayeth thee,
00:30:36.760 I am God,
00:30:37.860 but thou shalt be a man.
00:30:39.260 And no.
00:30:40.040 So he's,
00:30:40.500 he's asking the men questions.
00:30:42.160 Then when he says thou,
00:30:43.360 when he starts talking about thou art anointed to share that cover it.
00:30:47.780 I don't see any more question marks.
00:30:49.520 He is pointing at him.
00:30:50.420 He's like,
00:30:50.560 but you,
00:30:51.340 but you like,
00:30:52.240 this is a judgment.
00:30:53.580 Very interesting.
00:30:55.100 Yeah.
00:30:55.400 That plays very well off of yesterday's episode.
00:30:59.580 Yeah.
00:31:00.040 And those,
00:31:00.620 uh,
00:31:01.380 describing,
00:31:02.380 you know,
00:31:03.380 all the different color stones and the gold inlays and all that stuff that matches perfectly.
00:31:09.000 When you go to the book of Exodus,
00:31:10.460 that is the priestly garments that was made for the priests that went in.
00:31:15.600 And that was,
00:31:16.020 and it even says in Exodus that this was made as their coverings.
00:31:22.180 Okay.
00:31:22.580 And when you get to that Genesis three event,
00:31:24.920 right,
00:31:25.200 it says God made,
00:31:26.220 uh,
00:31:26.780 made garments for them and gave them in the Hebrew.
00:31:29.840 It says that he healed bishes.
00:31:32.220 That's the Hebrew word.
00:31:33.900 He healed bishes their nakedness.
00:31:36.620 And this is the exact same thing.
00:31:38.780 When it gets into Exodus,
00:31:39.800 it says this garment was made to heal bish their nakedness.
00:31:43.920 So it's,
00:31:44.820 it's drawing correlations and using the law of first mention pointing back to Adam and all rabbinic traditions.
00:31:52.440 Christians have Adam as the first king and priest of all creation.
00:31:56.360 Then Ezekiel 28 talks about Lucifer and he had on this garment.
00:32:01.580 And it even says you profaned your sanctuaries.
00:32:05.780 You know,
00:32:06.480 and there's a lot of people talk about Lucifer was the,
00:32:09.120 uh,
00:32:10.220 the head of praise and worship and things like that.
00:32:12.540 Now this is my theory from reading those and the connection with the,
00:32:17.780 the rabbinic priesthood to Adam and this cloth that was given to him.
00:32:22.060 I believe that these were the coverings of the Nakash,
00:32:25.860 that the Nakash was the,
00:32:29.100 the priest of,
00:32:30.320 of creation.
00:32:31.060 And he had this garment according to Ezekiel 28.
00:32:34.480 He had a sanctuary,
00:32:35.540 which he profaned,
00:32:36.800 but then he was demoted,
00:32:39.320 cast from heaven,
00:32:40.300 lost his sanctuary.
00:32:41.220 And this covering was given to Adam and Eve.
00:32:43.580 And that's where you,
00:32:45.800 the rabbis draw their origin points to the priesthood was this event.
00:32:51.060 And if you think about it,
00:32:52.620 that fits the description of his name.
00:32:55.740 If he had on all these multicolored stones,
00:32:58.100 gold inlays,
00:32:59.460 you know,
00:32:59.740 perfect in beauty from the day he was created and all this,
00:33:02.700 that would fit the name.
00:33:05.140 The shining one.
00:33:07.100 Right.
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00:34:23.520 Built on is not just food,
00:34:25.640 but a way of life.
00:34:26.480 And it makes a lot of sense too,
00:34:29.120 because for God to have given them garments,
00:34:32.340 I mean,
00:34:33.540 it would take a reductionist point of view to say like,
00:34:36.940 God just,
00:34:37.520 I don't know,
00:34:37.980 gave them loincloths.
00:34:39.080 God just gave them a long t-shirt.
00:34:42.040 You know what I mean?
00:34:42.540 Like if God is giving you garments as the first man and woman in the garden,
00:34:48.760 then you would imagine that these garments would have,
00:34:53.080 um,
00:34:54.460 they would be of some significance.
00:34:56.080 Yes.
00:34:56.800 I'm just imagining.
00:34:57.660 That alone would make Satan hate you.
00:34:59.720 Well,
00:35:00.040 you know,
00:35:00.280 something he wore was his,
00:35:01.740 you know,
00:35:02.460 what do you call it?
00:35:02.960 Like the trophy on the mantelpiece.
00:35:04.300 It was his source of pride and pompous,
00:35:06.820 you know,
00:35:07.500 now all of a sudden it's taken from you and given to your younger brother.
00:35:10.500 That alone would make him hate you.
00:35:13.680 Imagine being in the garden at the time.
00:35:15.740 And I'm just picturing it like real gangster where he's like you,
00:35:20.080 he's judging him.
00:35:20.840 You,
00:35:21.200 you,
00:35:21.500 you,
00:35:21.860 you're going to crawl on your belly.
00:35:23.340 You'll this and that.
00:35:24.060 And then he just goes and he's like,
00:35:25.280 give me your robe.
00:35:26.400 And he's like,
00:35:26.740 what?
00:35:27.060 He's like,
00:35:27.360 give me your robe.
00:35:28.260 And he takes the robe off of him.
00:35:29.680 It's like pushes him.
00:35:30.780 He maybe had two robes,
00:35:31.660 took another,
00:35:32.100 take another one off and pushes him.
00:35:33.780 It's,
00:35:34.000 this was an embarrassing event.
00:35:35.640 And it doesn't kind of like thinking about it.
00:35:38.040 It had to have been stripped your stuff off you here.
00:35:40.960 You hold that.
00:35:41.640 And you go away and it's like,
00:35:43.860 man,
00:35:44.960 no wonder why he hates us.
00:35:46.880 Yeah.
00:35:48.360 And,
00:35:48.840 uh,
00:35:49.200 so I give you that as just a backstory because now the next time we hear about Esau was his actual birth.
00:35:55.500 So I setting up the backdrop.
00:35:57.480 I made a joke on one of the shows.
00:35:59.040 I said,
00:36:00.140 I give you the hobbits before the Lord of the Rings.
00:36:03.700 So you,
00:36:04.040 you got the full picture here.
00:36:05.480 There we go.
00:36:06.560 But,
00:36:07.000 uh,
00:36:07.280 Genesis 25,
00:36:08.240 25,
00:36:08.980 you know,
00:36:09.680 it says the first came out red all over his body,
00:36:12.480 like a hairy cloak.
00:36:13.540 And so they called his name Esau.
00:36:15.200 And afterwards,
00:36:15.900 his brother came out with his hand holding Esau's heel.
00:36:19.000 So he called his name Jacob.
00:36:21.620 So I think that if Esau was a serpent seed,
00:36:28.720 we have Satan already sticking his hand into the,
00:36:35.640 the cookie jar and trying to mess things up.
00:36:38.660 And he tries to flip God's prophecy.
00:36:41.720 Cause you remember he says plainly that the serpent would have a seed and that she would have a seed and that they would be at enmity with one another.
00:36:52.440 One would crush the head and the other would bruise the heel.
00:36:56.460 So here we have Esau coming out first with his foot on Jacob's head,
00:37:02.700 pushing to get out of the womb.
00:37:04.940 And then Jacob reaching up and holding on to Esau's heel.
00:37:09.560 It all goes back to Genesis 3,
00:37:11.760 15.
00:37:12.560 And this was the ancient worldview because,
00:37:15.080 uh,
00:37:15.480 Flavius Josephus,
00:37:16.580 if you read his writings,
00:37:17.720 when he talks about the strife between the brothers,
00:37:22.860 he chooses a word.
00:37:23.980 I think very intentionally.
00:37:26.460 He,
00:37:27.460 he says that there was enmity between the two brothers.
00:37:35.120 Now,
00:37:35.700 I know this is going to take some,
00:37:36.920 uh,
00:37:38.320 well,
00:37:38.800 I wonder what are your thoughts on how this came to pass?
00:37:44.320 In other words,
00:37:45.080 how did his mother end up having two different genetic lines in her womb at the same time?
00:37:51.180 Now,
00:37:53.880 this is just outright conjecture on my part because it doesn't say,
00:38:00.680 but we do know that there was two people.
00:38:03.560 There was,
00:38:05.100 you know,
00:38:05.400 two different types of people in her womb.
00:38:07.920 That's what scripture says.
00:38:09.560 They were at enmity with one another.
00:38:12.100 And then you had the,
00:38:12.840 the head and the heel,
00:38:14.220 everything pointing back to three 15.
00:38:16.120 And it said,
00:38:16.940 Satan would have a seed.
00:38:17.940 She would have a seed.
00:38:18.680 That's what we know.
00:38:19.920 I mean,
00:38:20.200 that's,
00:38:20.600 you know,
00:38:20.980 not debatable.
00:38:21.820 So what my theory is,
00:38:26.000 is if it was a situation similar to Sarah,
00:38:31.740 that she couldn't have children and she prayed and prayed and prayed and,
00:38:37.800 and didn't have any.
00:38:39.920 And if you trace Rebecca come from,
00:38:45.320 uh,
00:38:47.020 a nation that worshiped all these fertility gods,
00:38:50.980 and these fertility gods,
00:38:53.340 they would have rights and they would,
00:38:55.420 you know,
00:38:55.620 do worship and do different things to try to gain pregnancy.
00:38:59.760 You know,
00:39:00.380 the whole fertility thing,
00:39:01.740 it went to crops.
00:39:03.280 It went to pregnancies,
00:39:04.360 all these different types of things.
00:39:06.880 And,
00:39:07.400 you know,
00:39:08.440 she was even quoted that she was taking,
00:39:10.920 uh,
00:39:11.800 teraphim idols from her father's house.
00:39:15.340 And so,
00:39:17.000 and it said that a handmaiden went with her.
00:39:19.640 Maybe.
00:39:20.980 Maybe she was praying to the Lord,
00:39:23.980 didn't get her prayers answered.
00:39:25.840 And maybe she got desperate and maybe her,
00:39:28.000 her handmaiden pray to a,
00:39:31.060 another fertility God from their homeland.
00:39:33.820 And just like the ancient stories,
00:39:36.820 you know,
00:39:37.040 comparative mythology,
00:39:38.060 uh,
00:39:39.020 how many stories do you have where you have twins and one of them be human and the other and be divine because a God breathes with the woman after the husband.
00:39:50.600 And then there you have two seeds and two offsprings.
00:39:52.900 You find it time and time again.
00:39:54.300 One that stands out in my mind is,
00:39:57.180 uh,
00:39:57.580 Hercules.
00:39:58.880 Hercules was from a set of twins.
00:40:01.480 His brother was a normal human from his biological father while he was a divine seed from Zeus.
00:40:08.780 Wow.
00:40:10.980 That's,
00:40:11.320 that might even draw to like the King's right.
00:40:13.940 You know what that is?
00:40:15.800 Um,
00:40:16.560 some,
00:40:16.940 Oh yeah.
00:40:17.520 Where he can sleep with the,
00:40:18.880 the,
00:40:19.240 the,
00:40:20.000 the bride on her wedding night.
00:40:21.560 Yeah.
00:40:22.240 It's almost like him putting his seed in that.
00:40:24.820 Like if he's deemed as a God and then you have this female,
00:40:29.240 I mean,
00:40:29.860 you have,
00:40:29.980 you have the male seed in there as well that some symbolism there.
00:40:34.580 Right.
00:40:35.480 And like I said,
00:40:36.020 that's just a theory.
00:40:37.200 I mean,
00:40:37.840 a scripture doesn't say,
00:40:39.200 but we can make that.
00:40:41.420 It's not just something I pull out of my back pocket.
00:40:43.380 It's something that we see that is a custom of the time.
00:40:46.420 And we also see it through comparative mythology and other,
00:40:49.660 uh,
00:40:50.360 nations and peoples.
00:40:51.360 And their stories.
00:40:53.840 Okay.
00:40:54.380 That's nefarious,
00:40:55.400 huh?
00:40:55.620 I knew that it was going to take some conjecture.
00:40:57.960 Um,
00:40:58.540 because I knew that there wasn't really much to draw on from it,
00:41:02.120 but I mean,
00:41:03.060 would that mean that like,
00:41:05.320 uh,
00:41:06.340 Isaac wasn't in control of his wife as well as he should have been.
00:41:11.280 If she's like going out and seeking these external solutions for
00:41:16.520 something that she should have had faith in.
00:41:18.220 Well,
00:41:18.380 we,
00:41:18.500 we kind of see that don't we top like when it comes to Solomon,
00:41:21.040 and all of his wives and,
00:41:23.580 and eventually being convinced to,
00:41:25.540 uh,
00:41:26.440 you know,
00:41:26.680 pay some sort of veneration to the,
00:41:28.460 the pagan deities that they worship from where,
00:41:31.260 you know,
00:41:31.360 wherever it is that his wives came from.
00:41:33.080 So there is precedent throughout the Bible for this sort of thing
00:41:36.360 happening.
00:41:36.780 And it does seem that,
00:41:38.020 that man will constantly falter.
00:41:41.200 Um,
00:41:41.640 top,
00:41:42.040 you always bring it up.
00:41:42.940 It's like,
00:41:43.420 you know,
00:41:43.960 Moses goes on the mountain and when he comes back down,
00:41:47.140 they're already clamoring and worshiping this,
00:41:49.500 this golden calf or this golden bull.
00:41:51.500 So it does seem that time and time again,
00:41:54.380 there's a tug of war,
00:41:55.700 uh,
00:41:56.580 between man's veneration to either God or to these pagan deities.
00:42:01.500 So,
00:42:01.920 I mean,
00:42:02.160 I can see how that's,
00:42:03.640 it's not something like you said,
00:42:05.120 Justin,
00:42:05.420 that you would have pulled out of your back pocket.
00:42:07.260 There is precedent for this sort of thing happening repeatedly,
00:42:09.680 not only in the Bible,
00:42:10.560 but as you pointed out,
00:42:12.440 and I think it's a great example in Greek mythology,
00:42:14.800 which is,
00:42:15.740 you know,
00:42:16.320 once it's,
00:42:17.080 our estimation is just the,
00:42:18.680 the fallen,
00:42:19.600 uh,
00:42:19.820 that's what the pantheon is.
00:42:20.520 And if that theory does pan out or hold water,
00:42:23.660 I think it makes more sense too.
00:42:26.240 Why Rebecca played such an active role in deceiving Isaac and exalting Jacob,
00:42:33.100 because she maybe felt guilty and had remorse for not trusting God and seeking this,
00:42:39.680 this other God's help and knew that he saw was a result of it.
00:42:44.860 I love that because,
00:42:46.300 and we're going to get into it,
00:42:47.540 but I always looked at that.
00:42:49.000 It's,
00:42:49.200 it's one thing for,
00:42:50.620 um,
00:42:51.940 for her to receive this message that there would be two peoples in her womb and,
00:42:55.300 and that this sort of thing would come to pass,
00:42:57.180 but it's another thing to see.
00:42:59.280 And I know we only get a short window into,
00:43:01.100 into,
00:43:01.720 you know,
00:43:01.960 who Rebecca was,
00:43:03.080 but it just seems so without remorse.
00:43:06.540 And honestly,
00:43:07.480 that plugs in pretty well because you go,
00:43:09.280 this must've been a hard decision for a mother to have to do these things,
00:43:13.300 but it's like,
00:43:13.720 she was leading the plot against her child.
00:43:17.820 And if she had that sort of information or knew,
00:43:20.800 um,
00:43:21.780 that that could have been the source of Esau,
00:43:23.800 then that would explain her behavior as well.
00:43:25.940 So I do.
00:43:26.640 It feels like,
00:43:27.420 you know,
00:43:28.220 this is,
00:43:28.740 this is happening today.
00:43:29.900 Like people do commune with Satan or whatever demon that comes through.
00:43:34.140 And in these satanic cults,
00:43:35.780 there's a lot of like weird sex rituals.
00:43:37.560 There's a lot of sex going on in the heat of battle.
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00:44:11.640 I think it's,
00:44:12.040 I think it's just kind of,
00:44:13.100 uh,
00:44:14.420 it's,
00:44:14.920 it's hilarious for us to assume that the Nephilim don't walk the earth today.
00:44:19.600 They're just well,
00:44:21.400 more well disguised.
00:44:22.460 Or,
00:44:22.580 and then it comes to that,
00:44:23.420 that,
00:44:23.720 uh,
00:44:23.940 that syndrome comes to mind,
00:44:25.120 the demon face syndrome that popped up out of nowhere.
00:44:27.200 And then went out of,
00:44:28.300 they're like,
00:44:28.580 Oh,
00:44:28.680 people are looking at other people's faces and seeing demons.
00:44:31.600 Anyway,
00:44:32.480 next that,
00:44:33.100 you know,
00:44:33.900 we have a hurricane coming through.
00:44:35.140 It's like,
00:44:35.500 excuse me,
00:44:36.520 just glossed over the important part.
00:44:38.100 Like that's,
00:44:39.000 I don't know.
00:44:39.680 Disorder.
00:44:39.980 It's a medical disorder.
00:44:41.420 Demon face syndrome.
00:44:42.380 We said syndrome.
00:44:43.260 So now it's classified as a medical disorder.
00:44:45.640 In fact,
00:44:45.900 I'm sure they're working on a very lucrative pharmaceutical for it.
00:44:51.240 Yep.
00:44:52.740 So,
00:44:53.260 all right.
00:44:53.540 So let's continue on.
00:44:54.320 In the very least,
00:44:55.280 you knew that she knew that they were totally different seeds.
00:44:59.460 I mean,
00:44:59.620 cause one come out,
00:45:00.780 you know,
00:45:01.180 red covering hair like a hairy cloak.
00:45:04.500 And so it goes from there.
00:45:07.020 And then the next time we hear of Esau is the famous,
00:45:10.620 uh,
00:45:11.120 trading of the birthright.
00:45:13.200 And if we go to Genesis and that's in the same chapter,
00:45:16.080 it's in a 25,
00:45:17.300 but it starts in verse 29.
00:45:19.000 It says,
00:45:19.840 once when Jacob was cooking stew,
00:45:21.920 Esau came in from the field and he was exhausted.
00:45:25.860 And Esau said to Jacob,
00:45:27.480 let me eat some of that red stew for I am exhausted.
00:45:30.600 Therefore,
00:45:31.080 his name was called Edom.
00:45:33.260 And Jacob said,
00:45:34.380 sell me your birthright now.
00:45:37.140 Esau said,
00:45:37.880 I am about to die of what use is a birthright to me?
00:45:41.340 And Jacob says again,
00:45:42.840 swear to me now.
00:45:44.520 So he swore to him and sold his birthright to Jacob.
00:45:47.400 Then Jacob gave Esau bread and lentil stew and he ate and drank and rose and went
00:45:51.760 his way.
00:45:52.400 Thus Esau despised his birthright.
00:45:56.080 So growing up in church,
00:45:57.900 I was just told,
00:45:59.200 ah,
00:45:59.540 he was just carnal.
00:46:00.880 He,
00:46:01.240 you know,
00:46:01.740 let,
00:46:02.240 uh,
00:46:02.720 his stomach and his emotions and desires of the now and the flesh rule over
00:46:08.340 him.
00:46:08.640 And he just didn't care for his birthright.
00:46:10.360 And to me,
00:46:12.000 that made absolutely no sense.
00:46:13.760 Cause with the,
00:46:14.700 the modern viewpoint,
00:46:16.300 you know,
00:46:17.100 the,
00:46:17.260 the eldest child back then was the favorite child.
00:46:20.520 He got everything.
00:46:21.960 The younger one served the older.
00:46:24.000 So that looks like today.
00:46:27.600 If your father was Donald Trump and you're the eldest son about to inherit millions of
00:46:33.320 dollars,
00:46:33.820 all the,
00:46:34.720 everything he owns,
00:46:35.500 you're about to get it all.
00:46:36.960 And then you just come in one day and you're hungry.
00:46:39.320 You see your younger brother eating a bag of Doritos and you're like,
00:46:41.940 Hey bro,
00:46:42.280 give me some Doritos.
00:46:43.220 He's like,
00:46:43.640 I signed over the company and they're yours.
00:46:45.700 And you're like,
00:46:46.360 yeah,
00:46:46.580 whatever.
00:46:46.980 I'm starving.
00:46:48.400 That would never happen.
00:46:51.420 So there's something missing here.
00:46:54.160 So once you go to these extra biblical books,
00:46:56.980 like I talked about,
00:46:57.960 that's where you,
00:46:58.720 you find your,
00:46:59.520 your bridge gap and your feelings,
00:47:01.180 because if you remember,
00:47:02.360 it just says that he come in from the field exhausted.
00:47:05.640 Right.
00:47:06.400 Well,
00:47:06.960 Jasher in chapter 27,
00:47:09.500 it says right here,
00:47:10.540 it says,
00:47:12.220 and Esau at that time after the death of Abraham frequently went into the field to
00:47:15.920 hunt and Nimrod,
00:47:17.720 the king of Babel,
00:47:18.720 the same was Amphriel also frequently went with his mighty men.
00:47:23.460 And in Hebrew mighty,
00:47:24.560 that word is give bore.
00:47:26.700 And that's the same word used to describe the Nephilim giants.
00:47:31.420 So it says him and his mighty men went to hunt in the field and walk about with his
00:47:35.500 men in the cool of the day.
00:47:36.760 And Nimrod was observing Esau all of the days for a jealousy was formed in the heart of
00:47:43.460 Nimrod against Esau.
00:47:45.720 So it says Nimrod's in the field and he's observing Esau.
00:47:49.720 It words it almost like he's hunting this hairy beast of a man.
00:47:54.020 And it goes on,
00:47:55.480 it says,
00:47:56.180 and on a certain day,
00:47:57.120 Esau went into the field to hunt and he found Nimrod walking in the wilderness with
00:48:01.240 his two men and all of his mighty men and his people were with him in the wilderness.
00:48:06.020 And they moved at him from a distance.
00:48:07.720 And I'll just kind of skip down and get to the meat here.
00:48:11.040 But it goes on,
00:48:11.820 it says that he separates himself and Nimrod and two of his gibberim mighty men were away
00:48:20.320 from the group.
00:48:21.900 And that's Esau steps out from his hiding place and takes a sword and kills Nimrod,
00:48:29.620 cuts off his head.
00:48:32.180 And then he fights the other two gibberim and kills them.
00:48:37.160 And then the other hunting party hears the screams and comes running to see what's going on.
00:48:41.780 So Esau then steals the garments off of Nimrod's dead body and says that he goes to his house
00:48:52.780 and hides the garments,
00:48:54.380 but then goes to his father's house.
00:48:58.300 And there's where the Genesis narrative picks up because,
00:49:01.180 yeah,
00:49:01.420 in fact,
00:49:01.880 he did come from the field exhausted because he just fought three gibberim,
00:49:09.400 three mighty men,
00:49:11.180 possibly giants.
00:49:12.540 We know from the depictions that Nimrod was depicted as a giant.
00:49:17.220 And so he was basically...
00:49:18.320 It's not only that, right, Justin?
00:49:18.640 It's like,
00:49:19.180 if this is Nimrod,
00:49:20.900 his personal guard,
00:49:22.860 these are the...
00:49:24.400 Bad dudes.
00:49:25.660 We're talking about the highest skilled warriors that this land has to offer.
00:49:31.560 They would have attributed to guard Nimrod.
00:49:34.800 So whatever Esau is,
00:49:38.180 he's managed to do something that's pretty...
00:49:41.300 It's unbelievable.
00:49:42.840 Yeah.
00:49:44.200 Now,
00:49:44.780 I worded it,
00:49:45.380 you know,
00:49:45.580 it's like you have this hairy quote unquote man battling to the death with Nimrod and two more
00:49:51.900 Nephilim giants for the supernatural garments from the garden of God.
00:49:56.600 I mean,
00:49:58.420 that's...
00:49:59.720 Do you know how...
00:50:00.480 Beat that,
00:50:00.780 Marvel.
00:50:01.620 Do you know how terrifying a Sasquatch with a sword is?
00:50:06.760 Like,
00:50:07.160 holy shit,
00:50:08.360 dude.
00:50:09.620 That's horrifying.
00:50:11.100 He's talking shit to you like through telekinesis.
00:50:13.360 You're like,
00:50:13.540 oh,
00:50:13.780 God.
00:50:14.100 He's just lobbing trees down on the way to get you.
00:50:17.460 Man.
00:50:18.160 It's like the Highlander,
00:50:19.440 you know,
00:50:19.740 both of these men's claim to fame,
00:50:21.880 whereas that they were the mighty hunters of the field.
00:50:24.980 And it said Nimrod had been watching Esau and jealousy had built up and envy.
00:50:31.100 And so he finally just went to the woods with these men.
00:50:33.620 It was like,
00:50:33.980 I'm going to kill this hairy beast of a man and show the world who the true mighty man is.
00:50:40.000 It was like the Highlander.
00:50:41.380 You know,
00:50:41.600 there could only be one,
00:50:42.640 baby.
00:50:43.760 Let me,
00:50:44.340 let me ask you a question.
00:50:45.240 This might,
00:50:45.720 it's going to derail again,
00:50:46.900 but Cain and Abel,
00:50:49.000 that is a story of two brothers as well.
00:50:52.460 Is there any,
00:50:53.060 like,
00:50:53.340 are there any Nephilim details involved in this?
00:50:55.700 Because it never quite,
00:50:57.600 like,
00:50:57.840 again,
00:50:58.120 you get to the point where you're like,
00:50:59.660 uh,
00:51:00.360 Abel made a sacrifice to God and God was like,
00:51:02.440 great.
00:51:02.760 I like that.
00:51:03.700 And then Cain didn't.
00:51:04.740 God was like,
00:51:05.260 this is garbage.
00:51:06.440 I don't like this.
00:51:07.580 And then there's like next,
00:51:08.940 next verse.
00:51:09.880 Don't worry about that.
00:51:11.440 Anyway,
00:51:11.820 he kills this guy.
00:51:12.660 I'm like,
00:51:12.900 what,
00:51:13.600 what does that mean?
00:51:14.660 Like what was going on there?
00:51:17.160 Well,
00:51:17.820 uh,
00:51:18.820 there's another book that a buddy of mine's written and it was called,
00:51:22.520 um,
00:51:23.520 let me think.
00:51:24.620 It was called,
00:51:25.200 um,
00:51:25.940 answers to giant questions.
00:51:28.440 And in there,
00:51:29.480 he talks about how the wording in the Hebrew makes it out to where Abel was basically the first human sacrifice.
00:51:38.700 And when you read the wording of that,
00:51:41.200 it says that the ground opened up its mouth to receive the blood of Abel.
00:51:48.220 Well,
00:51:48.680 when you go and you read the ancient texts,
00:51:50.980 it talks about this God of death and his name was Mott.
00:51:55.240 Is this it?
00:51:56.400 Yeah.
00:51:57.700 And Mott that talks about the,
00:52:00.420 his,
00:52:00.680 uh,
00:52:01.420 his lip would drag the ground and his upper lip would,
00:52:05.400 uh,
00:52:05.720 eat the clouds that he had such a hunger.
00:52:09.540 Uh,
00:52:09.880 for death that it couldn't be quenched.
00:52:13.040 And the way,
00:52:14.120 uh,
00:52:14.720 it's worded in the Hebrew,
00:52:16.260 Tim says that he thinks that Abel was the first human sacrifice to this God Mott.
00:52:23.120 Cause it talks about the ground opening up its large mouth and receiving this blood.
00:52:28.060 And then when God shows up,
00:52:29.900 he says the,
00:52:30.860 the blood of your brother cries out from the ground.
00:52:34.600 You know,
00:52:35.020 what have you done?
00:52:36.600 So once again,
00:52:37.720 this kind of goes back to the Genesis three 15,
00:52:40.620 the whole seed war once again.
00:52:42.340 And it's like he was trying his best to provide for his family and his people and get the blessing of God.
00:52:53.720 And he wasn't getting it from God.
00:52:55.720 So maybe he went to another God that promised to bless him and do these things for him.
00:53:04.320 And when you go to the Jewish Targums,
00:53:06.980 you get more detail on that,
00:53:08.520 whether it's true or not,
00:53:09.620 it's what they believed.
00:53:10.740 And it was their oral tradition was that Cain,
00:53:14.540 when it talks about,
00:53:15.260 he got this marking when you read,
00:53:17.460 uh,
00:53:17.740 his name's Rashi.
00:53:19.380 He has,
00:53:20.340 uh,
00:53:20.980 done his own translations of the Targums.
00:53:23.120 He's done commentary on the Torah and he was a French medieval rabbi.
00:53:28.840 And a lot of people,
00:53:29.500 uh,
00:53:30.340 look to him.
00:53:32.020 Uh,
00:53:32.480 but he says that Cain's marking was that he was covered in hair,
00:53:38.340 like a hairy beast.
00:53:39.920 And he was even given a horn.
00:53:42.140 And that's why he was so afraid of being killed because not only was he having to worry about,
00:53:49.460 uh,
00:53:50.220 the men wanting to kill him because he looks like this hairy monster.
00:53:54.860 Also the,
00:53:55.620 the beasts of the field would come after him because they seen him as a threat.
00:54:00.320 And then when you go down through,
00:54:02.220 you have this story of Lamech.
00:54:04.660 Well,
00:54:04.820 Cain says,
00:54:05.480 you know,
00:54:05.800 he says anybody,
00:54:07.120 basically the way we read it,
00:54:08.560 interpret it was anybody kills you is going to be cursed times seven.
00:54:13.360 Well,
00:54:13.840 when you get on down to Lamech in Genesis,
00:54:15.980 now at one point it says Lamech comes into his wife and says,
00:54:19.780 if Cain was cursed times seven,
00:54:22.120 then I'll be cursed 70 times seven because I killed a man.
00:54:26.440 And in my anger struck down a youth.
00:54:29.740 And that's basically all you hear about it.
00:54:31.920 Well,
00:54:32.280 the Targums give you more details on that story.
00:54:35.420 And the Targums say that in his,
00:54:38.560 old age,
00:54:39.080 he was going blind.
00:54:40.640 So he had his younger son go with him on the hunts and his son would lead him
00:54:45.960 and point the way.
00:54:47.540 And if there was an animal up ahead,
00:54:48.920 he'd say,
00:54:49.360 you know,
00:54:49.560 father,
00:54:49.900 hold your bow,
00:54:50.780 you know,
00:54:51.560 like this.
00:54:52.340 And it would get basically guide his weapon and help him hunt.
00:54:55.760 And the,
00:54:57.040 the young son mistaked Cain.
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00:55:24.380 For a wild beast and that Lamek killed him.
00:55:34.800 And then when Lamek got close enough to see what it was,
00:55:37.940 he seen that it was his descendant Cain.
00:55:41.440 And in his anger,
00:55:43.520 smote his younger son for the mistake.
00:55:47.020 And so when he goes back home,
00:55:48.400 that's the feeling he says,
00:55:51.280 you know,
00:55:51.920 I've killed a man.
00:55:53.120 And in my anger,
00:55:54.000 I struck down a youth.
00:55:54.940 He killed his son and he killed Cain.
00:55:57.180 But Rashi in his translations of the Targum says that that was a huge
00:56:02.560 miscommunication and misunderstanding.
00:56:05.260 God didn't say whoever kills Cain is going to be cursed time seven.
00:56:09.440 It was saying that the revenge of Abel's blood would come to Cain.
00:56:17.220 Time seven.
00:56:18.400 So what that means is the seventh generation from Cain would be the one to take
00:56:25.000 it,
00:56:25.280 take revenge for Abel onto Cain.
00:56:28.720 And when you count that lineage,
00:56:30.760 no way Lamek is the seventh from Cain.
00:56:34.220 And I'll see you next time.
00:56:34.680 Take one.
00:56:35.140 Bye.
00:56:35.620 Bye.
00:56:35.880 Bye.
00:56:36.780 Bye.
00:56:37.580 Bye.
00:56:37.880 Bye.
00:56:38.860 Bye.
00:56:46.920 Bye.
00:56:48.780 Bye.
00:56:49.000 Bye.
00:56:49.320 Bye.
00:56:49.880 Bye.
00:56:51.940 Bye.
00:56:53.120 Bye.
00:56:55.120 Bye.
00:56:55.820 Bye.
00:56:57.860 Bye.
00:57:00.440 Bye.
00:57:01.320 Bye.
00:57:02.300 Bye.
00:57:03.260 Thank you.
00:57:33.260 Thank you.
00:58:03.760 There's a reason, but the reason I was giving it was like, it's a type of sacrifice he's giving, but I'm like, I don't really know what that means.
00:58:41.300 The interesting thing to the church and the majorly accepted view was that it was just the blessing of the estate, like the carrying on the family name and getting the lands and all that.
00:58:56.260 That that's what it was.
00:58:57.380 Oh, so like a sort of like a conventional inheritance, maybe something.
00:59:01.960 Okay.
00:59:02.320 Okay.
00:59:02.540 All right.
00:59:32.520 The stain didn't kill him.
00:59:33.700 The guards and the people that were hunting for him were going to.
00:59:37.580 So when he tells Jacob, you know, give me some of that red stew, basically it's kind of like allegory of saying just, you know, give me sustenance.
00:59:46.800 Uh, you know, heal me, give me, you know, and preserve me and hide me.
00:59:51.720 And because without you doing this, I'm going to die and my birthright is meaningless.
00:59:56.660 So just take it.
00:59:57.820 And so he basically, he verbally agrees, but he does it in a state of fear and panic.
01:00:05.400 And once he, you know, survives and lives through, this was just a verbal agreement between brothers.
01:00:11.820 I think he had no intentions of giving him the birthright.
01:00:17.060 It seems that way.
01:00:18.160 He lied to him because yeah, when you get to the actual part where, uh, Isaac is dying, he calls his son Esau, which whom he favored.
01:00:28.580 And he says, go out to the field, my son, uh, get a fresh kill, prepare me a delicious meal.
01:00:36.720 One more time.
01:00:37.400 I'd like to taste of your game before I die and I'll give you your blessing.
01:00:42.260 So Esau takes off.
01:00:44.460 Well, Rebecca was standing outside the tent and heard this.
01:00:48.080 So when Esau leaves, she goes to her son and says, go kill a young goat.
01:00:55.180 Bring me the meat.
01:00:56.220 I will prepare a delicious meal for your father.
01:00:58.520 You go in, pretend to be Esau and get the blessing and the birthright.
01:01:03.760 And Jacob's scared to death.
01:01:05.860 He says, no mother.
01:01:07.040 He's, and he says specifically, I am a smooth man.
01:01:11.200 He wasn't Harry like his brother.
01:01:12.980 He said, if father finds out that I'm trying to trick him, I will receive a cursing instead.
01:01:19.800 And she says, do as I tell you.
01:01:21.860 And if a cursing comes, allow it to fall on my head.
01:01:26.900 It will be my cursing.
01:01:28.120 Just do as I say.
01:01:29.880 So he goes and kills this goat.
01:01:32.140 And number one, goats.
01:01:34.360 If you're a fiddle of a goat fur, it's coarse.
01:01:36.140 It's hairy.
01:01:36.920 It's oily.
01:01:38.780 Uh, it's maddy.
01:01:40.700 So they take this and they says that they wrap Jacob up in this goat's fur to fool his father.
01:01:48.380 So the people that want to say, ah, he just had a long beard.
01:01:51.980 That's what it was saying.
01:01:53.200 No, it was, this wasn't hyperbole.
01:01:55.820 This wasn't metaphor.
01:01:57.820 He was literally that Harry, like a Sasquatch that he had to be covered in this goat skin.
01:02:03.540 And then it says, uh, there's a little hidden nugget there most people miss, but it says that Rebecca goes and gets a garment of Esau's.
01:02:13.740 I think Rebecca knew about the garments from the garden of God, went to Esau's house, stole the garments.
01:02:20.220 So she put on this fur on Jacob and then put on Esau's garment and he goes in and he feels of his arm and he feels the hair.
01:02:29.780 And he says, ah, my son, Esau, you know, you're so hairy.
01:02:32.820 And then he even makes a comment about his smell.
01:02:35.160 He says, you even smell of the field, my son.
01:02:38.620 You probably said that all the time to him.
01:02:40.240 That's just a, it's like, oh man, come here, kid.
01:02:42.500 You smell like shit.
01:02:43.280 But with the Sasquatch, you know what I mean?
01:02:44.800 You get all these stories about these, these phantom smells.
01:02:47.820 So a lot of this stuff lines up and then he, he gives him the blessing.
01:02:54.100 So then he leaves.
01:02:55.420 Well, Esau comes back in.
01:02:57.040 He said, uh, here, father, here's your meal.
01:02:59.480 I prepared for you.
01:03:00.320 Now give me my blessing.
01:03:02.060 And he said, I've already given you your blessing.
01:03:04.760 And Esau's like, no, you didn't father.
01:03:07.360 And then they realize that they've been tricked.
01:03:10.400 They've been duped.
01:03:11.440 And Esau immediately starts crying and begging his father.
01:03:14.780 He said, well, please, father, do you have another blessing for me?
01:03:18.280 And he says, no, son, I've, I've given everything to your brother.
01:03:21.860 And Esau just remorsefully cries.
01:03:24.260 So that to me, that shows that, that verbal agreement that he made with Jacob, he had no intention of honoring.
01:03:31.640 I would agree with that.
01:03:32.940 What do you, what do you think then is the blessing that he was going to bestow?
01:03:37.020 How do you, how do you give that blessing?
01:03:38.200 Like, cause this is a, it seems like a, almost like a, a ceremony that would have happened.
01:03:42.580 Yeah.
01:03:42.820 He's physically given him something.
01:03:45.240 Yeah.
01:03:45.800 It was basically, you know, it's, it's ceremonial, but it's like holding the hand of, of the son and praying to God.
01:03:53.900 And you're saying, you know, God, all the blessings that you've given to me, pass this on to my son, all the favor you've given me, give to my son and bless him and provide for him and sustain him, you know, protect him from his enemies.
01:04:10.700 And this sort of thing to our modern view is kind of like, you know, going to the lawyer's office and sounding the, the final paperwork and getting that stamp.
01:04:19.160 It's official.
01:04:19.680 That's interesting because it, in my mind, based off of what we alluded to earlier in the episode that we discussed yesterday about the way that you communicate, um, in the spiritual realm, it seems like that's the difference there between the blessings and potentially the curse that Jacob would have received.
01:04:42.660 Had his father realized that Jacob had deceived him, uh, there's one where you're making a spiritual proclamation that whatever blessings had been bestowed upon you are now inherited by the son.
01:04:56.940 But if it was, you know, uh, if he was made aware that he was being deceived, then it would have been a proclamation in the spiritual realm, something to his detriment.
01:05:08.620 Um, so, okay.
01:05:09.900 I can see that then.
01:05:12.000 Yep.
01:05:12.480 And then a lot of people want to, they, they wonder, it's like, well, this was the birthright and this garment, it's basically like your mother's, you know, quilted blanket, you know, I'm from the South.
01:05:24.040 So that was a thing back then, you know, which I don't know, people still may do it, but it's like your grandmother had this blanket.
01:05:30.240 That was her great, great, great, great, great, great grandmothers.
01:05:33.320 And it gets passed to the eldest daughter and it just keeps traveling down the line.
01:05:37.940 And that's kind of how these garments were.
01:05:39.900 So a lot of people were like, well, how did Nimrod even wind up with these garments?
01:05:44.940 Well, once again, if you go to the Book of Jasher, it gives the...
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01:06:17.920 The lineage that that garment traveled down.
01:06:22.020 And it went through the good line.
01:06:23.920 It went all the way through until it got to Enoch and then Methuselah.
01:06:30.420 And then Methuselah gave it to Noah.
01:06:32.100 And it says that these garments were on the boat with Noah and traveled through the flood.
01:06:37.020 And then it says that in Ham's going out, Ham steals the garments and then gives them to Cush.
01:06:46.860 And then Cush keeps them and gives them to Nimrod.
01:06:50.660 And it says that Nimrod was the son of his old age whom he loved exceedingly.
01:06:55.040 And that at the coming of age, when he was coming into manhood at 20 years old, that he put on the garments and that he became a gibberim.
01:07:06.120 And that ties in with Genesis because it says, it doesn't say that Nimrod was born a mighty man or a mighty hunter.
01:07:14.300 It says that he became.
01:07:16.000 So a lot of people asked the question, well, how did he become a Nephilim?
01:07:22.400 Was it ceremonial sacrifice, drinking of blood, ritualistic?
01:07:28.560 You know, it might have been a combination of all those things.
01:07:30.880 But the Jewish tradition pointed to these garments at least being a contributing factor to him becoming a gibberim.
01:07:41.760 There's a something that I think is significant here, which is if Esau is of that serpent seed,
01:07:49.920 him having a battle to the death with Nimrod is interesting because Nimrod, who becomes gibberim,
01:08:00.400 which we don't understand necessarily the ramifications of that.
01:08:03.220 Does that mean somehow that his genetics are changed in such a way as to make him aligned with the Nephilim, aligned with this serpent seed?
01:08:12.600 If that is the case, well, then what we've seen here is infighting in a house, right?
01:08:19.240 The house of the serpent seed, there's infighting in that you could make an argument they should be aligned in some sort of way, but clearly not the case.
01:08:29.820 Now, I seem to not – I don't find any instances of immorality attributed to Esau, meaning like the story of Esau, as short as it is in the Bible,
01:08:40.320 there's no mention of him being immoral or behaving immorally, which is kind of what lends itself to making me feel a little bit empathetic to Esau's plight, right?
01:08:50.640 Because it looks like he just got shafted every which way.
01:08:53.840 And since there's no background to like, oh, but it's okay, Esau was a bad dude, you know, that kind of makes me feel a little empathetic to his plight.
01:09:01.380 Yeah, even his dad's like – he's like, get in here, you stinky asshole.
01:09:04.880 Like, I'm going to give you your blessings.
01:09:06.340 Like, you didn't even feel like crap.
01:09:08.060 Like, yeah, Esau was kind of like chill, but he just was born under very bad circumstances.
01:09:14.360 So what this makes me wonder is because they're – look, I – and this is heavily speculative, but I told you we were going to derail you.
01:09:25.580 When it comes to Bigfoot sightings, because for those of you who haven't picked it up, there's certainly this element that feels like – I mean, he's a gigantic dude.
01:09:32.960 He's killing Nimrod.
01:09:34.420 He's killing two of his personal guards with a sword.
01:09:37.700 This guy has to be a real son of a bitch, right?
01:09:41.300 And when it – when you have that element, right, of whether or not he's a Bigfoot – well, you look at Bigfoot today, and it's like sometimes the interactions that people allegedly have with Bigfoot today, they're not inherently horrifying or menacing.
01:09:59.160 Sometimes they're positive.
01:10:00.400 Sometimes it seems to be – yeah, sometimes they seem kind of chill.
01:10:03.120 And I'm wondering, like, is there a – an element within this bloodline that it's like a breakaway kind of serpent seed?
01:10:16.440 Like, anecdotally, there's a story of a woman who was interacting with a Bigfoot for a long time in her yard, having telepathic communications with it, which is interesting.
01:10:25.620 And what ends up happening is, at some point, it reveals to her that it is a – I forget the expression.
01:10:34.600 Eliud.
01:10:35.500 An Eliud, and he's looking for redemption.
01:10:38.540 Now, that doesn't sound to me like something that is aligned with the serpent seed.
01:10:44.820 It sounds to me almost like something that unfortunately is but is still seeking redemption.
01:10:50.980 So I just wonder when you hear this story of Nimrod being slayed by Esau and Esau having no precedence that we can see for immorality, maybe – maybe that bleeds in.
01:11:06.580 Maybe that's why you get this, like, plight of the Bigfoot where it doesn't seem like they're bad guys, but it seems like they're associated with bad guys.
01:11:14.060 And maybe some of them are, but some of them aren't.
01:11:16.260 I don't know.
01:11:16.760 Does that resonate with you or not?
01:11:18.060 Well, further with that story, you know, that was Bo Kennedy from the Bump podcast, and he talked to that woman several times.
01:11:25.840 And this woman was not a well-educated woman.
01:11:30.540 She was not well-versed in the Bible.
01:11:33.100 She even mispronounced what this word was.
01:11:36.360 She didn't even know it, never even heard it before.
01:11:38.160 And after talking to Gary Wayne, he found out that Eliud is referenced in the ancient texts, and it's referenced as being the offspring of the Nephilim.
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01:12:23.320 This Eliud was being, you know, friendly to her, and they were gifting and all this stuff, but then he tried to mislead her.
01:12:36.160 He told her that the Bible that they had was wrong, and that it was full of lies, and that she needed to be reading the Nag Hammadi texts.
01:12:48.920 The Nag Hammadi. What culture does the Nag Hammadi belong to?
01:12:52.700 It's a Gnostic gospel, where it's saying that Christ was just a normal man, but he had spiritual enlightenment, and that we all basically—
01:13:03.540 He became an ascended master.
01:13:05.040 Yes, and all that stuff, and drinking psychedelic drinks and taking these spirit journeys, and that's how they can interact with God, and just the whole Gnostic viewpoint.
01:13:16.880 So it was kind of like being—it played nice to gain her trust, and then tried to lead her astray.
01:13:23.880 You say that all the time.
01:13:25.360 It's the 99 truths, one lie.
01:13:27.100 That's why I'm so skeptical of the Jordan Petersons and the Russell Brands who are out there doing the Lord's Prayer just after going to ditty parties and, you know, other nefarious activities.
01:13:37.580 So I'm like, I'm waiting for the lie, for that one big, you know, turn you this way.
01:13:42.180 Okay, very interesting.
01:13:43.480 That's the story of the Romans, you know, where it talked about, you know, in Esau I hated.
01:13:47.920 You know, God is a God of love, and we're all his children.
01:13:51.320 You know, he doesn't hate any of us.
01:13:52.800 So to me, for him to say that, that points to Esau not being a child of God.
01:13:59.580 It's of a different seed.
01:14:01.480 And in that same context, it calls Esau sexually immoral.
01:14:08.440 And I was like, in the Bible it don't say anything about him being sexually immoral.
01:14:12.560 But when you read the context and the genealogies, after, you know, he was screwed out of his birthright, he goes into full rebellion, and he takes three wives.
01:14:26.940 Two of those wives are Hivites and Horites.
01:14:31.600 And if you guys follow Gary Wayne, he lays it out perfectly that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, these were Nephilim giant clans.
01:14:40.940 So here you have this hairy, quote-unquote, man marrying and interbreeding into Nephilim giant clans.
01:14:51.220 And, once again, that guy Rashi that I talked about, when you read his commentary of the Torah and the Targums,
01:15:00.780 when it says the people of Exodus come in and conquer the Holy Land to kill every man, woman, and child,
01:15:07.660 and how a lot of atheists use that, you know, as, oh, your God's a genocidal maniac.
01:15:13.400 Well, no, all the tribes and peoples that were listed, that they were to attack and kill every man, woman, child, and animal,
01:15:20.720 were Nephilim giant tribes.
01:15:22.580 God was, you know, trying to eradicate that bloodline, or in the very least, knock it down enough to where his people
01:15:30.740 could have a fighting chance.
01:15:33.580 And Rashi says that these giant clans were known to be sorcerers.
01:15:40.660 And here you have your first mention of skinwalkers.
01:15:44.180 Because Rashi says that they were shapeshifters.
01:15:48.700 That these people could morph into animals to evade capture.
01:15:55.160 And that is why God has said even kill the animals, because these sorcerers could morph into animals to evade capture.
01:16:05.260 That's something that's never left the sort of paranormal cultural zeitgeist either, right?
01:16:10.680 We still have this element of skinwalkers and things of that nature.
01:16:14.240 These Native American witch doctors that...
01:16:18.980 Animal-human hybrids.
01:16:20.400 Animal-human hybrids.
01:16:22.140 And it's even, I mean, that's something that has even punctured just the pop culture lore as well.
01:16:27.940 Like, we grew up with animorphs, and there's no shortage of heroes that can morph into animals.
01:16:32.660 Ninja Turtles.
01:16:33.900 Yeah, I mean, this is something that is so intrinsically tied into the human experience that it bleeds into cartoons.
01:16:42.120 It bleeds into actual, you know, mythology and lore of certain areas.
01:16:47.640 This is something that we've just never let go.
01:16:49.620 It's probably for a reason.
01:16:51.320 Mm-hmm.
01:16:51.960 And then, but his third wife, so here, if you think about that, you have this Harry, like I keep saying, Harry quote-unquote man, breeding with Nephilim giant tribes.
01:17:01.500 That's a high likelihood of throwing some really strange pups.
01:17:08.020 And then his third wife, he goes to Ishmael and takes his daughter.
01:17:17.440 So for those that don't know, these two men are in the exact same situation.
01:17:23.840 Ishmael was Abraham's firstborn son.
01:17:30.060 Sarah, in her old age, thought that she couldn't conceive.
01:17:33.180 So to try to make the Lord's prophecy come to pass, gave him Hagar, which was her handmaiden.
01:17:41.460 And Hagar was acquired while they were in Egypt.
01:17:44.480 Hagar was of a royal bloodline.
01:17:48.540 She was a princess, an Egyptian princess.
01:17:52.200 So they conceive, and they have Ishmael.
01:17:57.580 And then later, Sarah miraculously conceives Isaac.
01:18:02.800 So Ishmael was the firstborn, the eldest, which should have inherited the birthright.
01:18:09.700 But Sarah becomes jealous of Hagar and Ishmael and tells Isaac, I'm sorry, tells Abraham that they have to go.
01:18:20.340 Load them down with food, water, give them a few servants and some livestock.
01:18:26.180 That way they can, you know, make it on their own.
01:18:28.880 But they're kicked out of the camp.
01:18:31.220 So they're pushed out.
01:18:32.680 So here is Esau, the eldest, who was disinherited and screwed up his birthright, goes and marries his uncle's daughter.
01:18:46.520 And his uncle was also the eldest brother who was disinherited.
01:18:50.900 So you have the joining of these two people, and you can imagine the hatred that was sown into this family and into this bloodline because both of them were the eldest brother.
01:19:03.840 Both of them were screwed out of their birthright.
01:19:06.280 And they hated the chosen line, the chosen seed, which is God's people.
01:19:10.740 And when you trace the genealogy, all of your Muslim nations, all of your religions and people groups from the Middle East that absolutely hate Israel and God's chosen people, all trace their lineages back from this union.
01:19:29.900 Once again, it all goes back to Genesis 3.15 and this seed war.
01:19:34.700 That's a heavy, so that would, that would lend them, that would mean that they are Nephilim themselves, this, this line.
01:19:46.700 Yeah, it's just weaving in and out of the genealogy and through this bloodline.
01:19:51.840 And the theory of entropy tells us nothing gets better over time.
01:19:56.240 Things get worse over time.
01:19:57.680 So this gene pool has disintegrated over time and also interbreeding.
01:20:02.500 That's why the royals always, you know, slept with their, the brothers slept with their sisters and they encouraged inbreeding to keep that bloodline pure.
01:20:10.680 But over time, from intermarrying, you know, regular humans and different types of people, they have watered down that bloodline so much.
01:20:20.840 And like you talked about, there's, you know, serpent seed, Nephilim seed amongst us today.
01:20:27.100 They've just gotten better at blending in and they have degraded that bloodline so much.
01:20:32.520 It's the parable of the wheat and tares.
01:20:34.860 In that parable, it says that a landowner sown seed, but in his absence, the adversary came in and sown his seed.
01:20:42.720 And the helpers noticed all the wheat growing amongst the tares.
01:20:46.920 And when you look at those two, if you ever Google search those side by side, you can't tell them apart.
01:20:52.520 You can't tell them apart until harvest time.
01:20:55.620 And in that parable, the landowners, the servants say, should we pull up the tares?
01:21:00.680 And the landowner says, no, least you destroy the wheat in pulling up the tares.
01:21:06.760 No, let them grow together.
01:21:09.060 And come harvest time, we will separate the wheat from the tares and throw the tares into the fire.
01:21:18.340 I think that that is an allegory of this seed war.
01:21:24.040 Is that an allegory for, is that an allegory for like the, the rapture or because like we start to get into this.
01:21:31.580 I think it's judgment, the end times, you know, the wicked is cast into the fire.
01:21:35.860 The lake of fire, right?
01:21:36.900 But that, that doesn't just mean the wicked.
01:21:39.380 Like I've always read that scripture as like, yeah, the wicked, the people where they'll be judged.
01:21:43.540 This is, if it's talking about bloodlines and you're talking about like immutable characteristics that just doesn't quite matter.
01:21:50.100 This is, this show struggles with that a bit.
01:21:52.280 We have some guy come on and this guy, Dustin Nemos, and he's, he's telling us about these kinds of bloodlines.
01:21:58.020 And I was like, yeah, but you know, is there any repentance for them?
01:22:01.500 And I know that there's been writings between priests before, like a thousand years ago where they're writing back and forth, talking about these dogheaded men.
01:22:08.420 And they're saying, can, are they eligible for salvation?
01:22:12.100 And it's like 50, 50.
01:22:13.640 Some like, yes.
01:22:14.460 Some are like, no.
01:22:15.020 And it's, it's a hard pill still for me to swallow, even though I'm hearing this many times, but it's like, well, so there's just a group of people or whoever we see out there, just not eligible for, for salvation.
01:22:26.920 Their genetic DNA is made up such that they cannot receive this blessing.
01:22:31.820 It's kind of, but then you have Jesus coming back and die, but he's dying for all men, right?
01:22:37.280 Where do you put this?
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01:23:08.260 With me, I mean, and once again, this is just another conjecture thing, you know, and God says, you know, his ways are not our ways.
01:23:17.620 His thoughts are not our thoughts.
01:23:19.700 But I personally would see, you know, you can't control who your parents are.
01:23:29.420 I would like to think that, let's just say, if you trace back my DNA and somehow they could trace this and figure it out, that, you know, Esau or someone that was a known serpent seed was, you know, my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, you know, granddad.
01:23:48.720 And so I have a trace of Nephilim bloodline in my body, but I lived a good life.
01:23:55.480 I accepted Christ as Lord and tried my best to live a good life and follow the teachings of the Bible.
01:24:01.360 That would be pretty shitty if I got turned away for something that I didn't control.
01:24:08.360 And I think our God is a loving God and is all about choices and free will.
01:24:15.300 So even the Nephilim that were damned, you know, it says they shall have no peace, you know, and all this stuff.
01:24:22.760 Well, if you look, it wasn't just their heritage that damned them.
01:24:27.480 It was their actions that they were cannibals.
01:24:30.540 They were, you know, raping and pillaging and doing all these evil and wicked things.
01:24:34.760 On the episode that we did yesterday, and I know I keep referencing it, but it just seems oftentimes that we'll do a show and it'll key so well in to the next show that we do that they bleed over into one another.
01:24:48.980 But we were getting into this topic of spiritual warfare and how one engages in that with speech.
01:24:57.940 And going back to what we said before, it seems that even God will ask things of man, but he will tell things to spiritual entities.
01:25:08.420 And one of the things that we've come to terms with is it seems that the way that you engage in spiritual warfare is with the word, is with speech.
01:25:17.520 And it's fascinating then that these entities that people run into, whether it's a Bigfoot or it's, you know, some sort of alien or a demonic encounter, you name it.
01:25:32.920 These things exclusively communicate telepathically.
01:25:38.260 And that seems to be important, given the context of what I just said.
01:25:43.160 What do you think about that?
01:25:45.140 Because certainly within the Bigfoot community, it seems that these encounters, whatever dialogue there is, happens almost exclusively telepathically.
01:25:57.980 Yeah, with me and I've had people, you know, listen to my theory on Esau and being, you know, a Bigfoot or at least a type or some kind of similarities.
01:26:09.560 They immediately will try to shut it down on the argument that, well, what about the woo?
01:26:16.520 They say, you know, all these Bigfoot experiences all revolve around portals, mind speak, UFO phenomena.
01:26:25.840 So therefore, it can't be human.
01:26:27.640 So it can't be Esau.
01:26:28.660 And then I tell them, I'm like, but, you got to look at the holistic picture that I'm telling you here, that if he was a serpent seed, that means he was of a hybrid being, hybrid race, Nephilim.
01:26:42.100 So, when you read the book of Enoch, the book of the Watchers, it says that they were neither of heaven or of earth, so therefore their spirits have nowhere to go.
01:26:53.960 So their spirits remain roaming and tormenting mankind.
01:26:59.280 And that's where you get the term demons from.
01:27:01.820 So, if that is the case, and you have, you know, Esau or whoever that is a Nephilim seed, and their spirits are left roaming, would they not want to, in fact, choose a form that is familiar to them?
01:27:22.020 They were once roaming the earth as these huge giants, hairy, you know, Sasquatch-looking guys, and it commanded respect.
01:27:31.700 It commanded fear and dominance, and it's something they're familiar with.
01:27:35.820 Why wouldn't they want to present themselves in their former form?
01:27:39.400 And if they are demons, then that explains them being able to phase in and out of reality.
01:27:44.280 And if, you know, these UFOs are angelic beings, whether still good or rebellious, this is their vehicle of conveyance.
01:27:58.440 And so they would be correlated, especially if they are fallen ones, with the demonic offspring.
01:28:06.080 So, let's get back on track then.
01:28:11.220 What happens to Esau for the remainder of this, and what happens to the garments?
01:28:18.220 Well, these garments, you know, before Nimrod got them, well, we left off, and I think it's worth mentioning, because this is a paradigm buster, and it was for me when I first found out.
01:28:28.700 It says that Noah had them, and it said that Ham stole them in his going out.
01:28:34.340 And that's how Nimrod ultimately wound up with them.
01:28:37.840 So, if you go with the Bible in Genesis, we have the famous uncovering thy father's nakedness.
01:28:47.220 And this is the story where Noah gets drunk and passes out, and the way people remember it is that his father passed out drunk, and Noah, or I'm sorry, Ham looked upon Noah and either made fun of him or laughed or just stared lustfully.
01:29:01.720 Anyway, Noah wakes up and curses his son, and the name says, cursed be Canaan, which was Ham's firstborn son.
01:29:10.960 This is the church's conventional outlook on it, right?
01:29:14.900 It's just that either he made fun of him.
01:29:17.860 He was drunk.
01:29:19.020 Yeah.
01:29:19.460 And then he just was so upset when he woke up that he cursed him, which is interesting because we're talking about birthrights and curses.
01:29:27.620 These are both things with heavy spiritual ramifications.
01:29:30.800 So, yeah, he just laid a spiritual curse on him because he saw him naked and made fun of the size of his dong.
01:29:37.360 Okay, go on.
01:29:39.040 So, reading that, I was like, that makes no sense.
01:29:41.800 It's like, so if I'm at school and I get off the bus and my dad has gotten belligerently drunk until he passed out naked, and I happen to see him, or even if I do, make a catty joke about him or something.
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01:30:24.180 I'm going to be cursed for the rest of my life, and my firstborn son is going to be cursed for the rest of his life?
01:30:31.460 That's pretty harsh.
01:30:32.500 I wasn't the one that got drunk and done something embarrassing.
01:30:36.980 Why would I be cursed?
01:30:38.280 That makes no sense to me.
01:30:40.300 But once again, the context of the people of that time, it's so important to know, is if you go into Leviticus chapter 17,
01:30:48.720 Leviticus chapter 17, it says in there,
01:30:51.540 To sleep with thy father's wife is to uncover thy father's nakedness.
01:30:59.380 And this was an act of dominance in the ancient world.
01:31:05.340 Reuben slept with his mother.
01:31:08.440 And then if you look at Absalom, which was David's son, he run David out of the kingdom.
01:31:13.940 And the first thing he done is he pitched a tent on David's roof and went into all of his concubines in the sight of all of Israel.
01:31:21.720 This was a way to flex on the old man in the ancient times and do a hostile takeover of the family.
01:31:29.600 So, with that in mind, it's like Ham, either his mother willingly slept with him or he raped her, one of the two.
01:31:41.360 But either way, he slept with his mother in an act of dominance wanting to take over the family.
01:31:47.600 And now this part, this right here, this little section is my conjecture.
01:31:52.520 It's almost like he done that and he went out to his brothers and he said,
01:31:57.180 Dad's not fit to rule anymore.
01:31:59.500 He's drunk.
01:32:00.660 He just drinks till he passes out, makes stupid decisions.
01:32:04.080 He's unfit to rule.
01:32:06.220 I just done this thing.
01:32:08.500 If you guys go do it too, it'll be three on one.
01:32:11.520 He can't take us all on.
01:32:13.240 And it's our time to rule.
01:32:15.780 But they refuse.
01:32:17.600 So, in the biblical context, it says that they take a garment, place it on their shoulders, and walk backwards and cover their father's nakedness.
01:32:27.720 And then Noah wakes up and then he says, you know, cursed be Canaan.
01:32:35.740 And he said, and Ham, a servant to thy brothers, you shall be.
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01:34:08.420 So, if it was an act of dominance, he was trying to be the ruler of the house,
01:34:14.260 have everybody serve him, the cursing makes a lot more sense now,
01:34:17.700 because it's been flipped on its head.
01:34:19.920 No, you're not going to be served.
01:34:21.940 You're going to serve instead.
01:34:23.980 But then it says, cursed be Canaan.
01:34:26.420 Canaan is Ham's firstborn son.
01:34:28.320 If you follow it chronologically, Canaan wasn't even born yet.
01:34:35.580 Now, once again, my opinion, I think what happened is where it says that Noah awoken from his drunkenness.
01:34:43.600 It doesn't say that it was just that day, we assume.
01:34:46.620 You know, what if it was like an expression of him saying, well, once he got off the bandwagon,
01:34:54.360 once he got out of AA, you know, this might have been several months,
01:34:58.660 but once he finally decided to, you know, quit drinking and being, you know,
01:35:02.940 belligerently drunk every day and passing out drunk,
01:35:05.400 he realizes that his wife is pregnant and that they're going to name it Canaan.
01:35:10.680 And he's like, whoa, this ain't mine.
01:35:15.360 And he's put it all together.
01:35:17.460 And he says, cursed be Canaan,
01:35:19.560 because it is the product of the incestuous union of Ham and his mother.
01:35:26.520 And this is where the Nephilim giants end up stemming from,
01:35:29.880 these Canaanite tribes and why they're cursed from God
01:35:32.660 and why all the Abrahamic religions, you know, back then in the Old Testament said,
01:35:39.180 you know, to not take wives from the Canaanites because of Ham.
01:35:43.280 They were a cursed people.
01:35:45.360 But when you look at the original language, it doesn't say a garment.
01:35:51.100 It says the garment.
01:35:54.440 They took the garment and covered the mother's nakedness.
01:35:59.040 That answers a lot of questions because now you're,
01:36:01.360 so you're getting into the idea of, well, in the book of Revelation,
01:36:04.800 when it talks about that woman, then it says that the nations have fornicated with her.
01:36:08.560 It's like a spiritual sex.
01:36:10.100 It's not just cheating on your spouse.
01:36:12.740 It means there's a spiritual implication.
01:36:15.540 This sounds a lot like fornication.
01:36:17.540 Obviously, what he did with his mom is disgusting.
01:36:20.080 But it sounds like a little bit more.
01:36:22.180 And how frustrating.
01:36:23.940 Like, you build this ark, and all these Nephilim are killed from the earth.
01:36:28.340 And obviously, you're drinking because things are probably weird and stressful.
01:36:32.920 Yeah, you're depressed.
01:36:34.300 Yeah, dude.
01:36:34.820 It's got to suck.
01:36:36.220 It's got to be, it's a hard cup to bear.
01:36:39.200 And then your son's like, hey, guys, I just banged mom.
01:36:42.880 You guys want to, like, bang mom?
01:36:44.240 And then he bangs your wife.
01:36:46.040 Your son bangs your wife and then restarts what you just tried to avoid.
01:36:51.420 Yeah.
01:36:52.020 It's, that's horrible, dude.
01:36:56.060 It's crazy.
01:36:56.800 And then the, just the, the corruption of this, this bloodline and the, the, the serpent
01:37:05.360 seed and all these things.
01:37:06.800 When you go into Exodus, I found this very, very wild because nobody makes up a rule or
01:37:14.100 a law unless somebody broke it or done it before, right?
01:37:18.320 Or it would make no sense.
01:37:19.900 And so when you get to the Exodus wanderings, Moses is leading his people to the wilderness.
01:37:25.040 That's where you get a lot of your, do not do this, do not do that.
01:37:30.040 So I think if we look at those, it's telling of the people that they were encountering.
01:37:37.420 Esau, some of these, uh, Horite and Hivite tribes that he married into it, uh, in the genealogies,
01:37:44.440 it mentions, uh, this guy named Seir and they dwelled next to this mountain called Mount
01:37:51.100 Seir.
01:37:51.700 Um, when Hebrew, that word means Harry.
01:37:55.540 So there's already a telltale and that's out into the wilderness there.
01:38:00.860 So Moses is, uh, in the wilderness wanderings and he gives all the, the laws and remember
01:38:07.160 some of them were, uh, do not drink the blood, the life forces in the blood.
01:38:12.760 It says, do not seek sorcerers.
01:38:16.440 Do not seek necromancers or mediums.
01:38:20.300 Do not pass your children through the fires for Molech.
01:38:25.920 And then it says, uh, no longer will you sacrifice to hairy goat demons.
01:38:32.700 Incredible.
01:38:33.180 That's the foundation for, for all these things.
01:38:36.660 You've got vampires, you've got sorcerers, you've got child sacrifice, you've got Baphimus.
01:38:40.860 It's the best book in the world.
01:38:41.840 It's all right there.
01:38:42.720 It's the foundation for all the things that we're literally wrestling with to this day.
01:38:48.180 Yeah.
01:38:48.560 And then in Isaiah 41, it talks, you know, when you read the, the Greek translation, it talks
01:38:54.900 about these cursed lands and these cursed cities.
01:38:58.220 And it says, and there the satyrs will dance and the Lilith will make her nesting place.
01:39:08.720 And all these, I think, are talking about these peoples and entities that they were having
01:39:15.680 encounters with in their wilderness wanderings and God's people were seeing it and they
01:39:20.940 were obviously trying to replicate it or practice what they were doing.
01:39:25.020 And that's why Moses had to make these laws.
01:39:27.740 So here they are in this land of Seir that are known Nephilim that bred with, uh, Harry,
01:39:36.260 you know, people like Esau.
01:39:38.200 And then Esau's nephew was this guy named Amalek or Amalek.
01:39:46.440 And he had a whole tribe of people named after him called the Amalekites.
01:39:50.820 When Hebrew, that name means the blood lickers.
01:39:55.720 So, and these were the first tribe that was documented to have an encounter with God's
01:40:01.960 people in their wilderness wanderings and they attacked them.
01:40:04.600 So it's my opinion that while they were in this wilderness and their wanderings were having
01:40:12.020 encounters with these Amalekites and these Harry, you know, quote unquote giant men, and
01:40:18.640 they were observing what they were doing and they were doing child sacrifice, passing the
01:40:24.060 children through the fire.
01:40:25.560 They were drinking the blood.
01:40:27.860 They were seeking the dead.
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01:40:59.800 And we're sorcerers and mediums.
01:41:02.240 And we know that from Rashi and the other commentaries.
01:41:06.560 And it says, you know, no longer will you sacrifice to hairy goat demons.
01:41:11.080 Isaiah talks about the satyrs and that they would dance.
01:41:14.300 These were the families and the interbreeding and the offspring of Esau with these giant
01:41:23.320 clans.
01:41:23.820 And these were what these people were doing.
01:41:26.220 And God's people was trying to replicate it.
01:41:29.240 And then you have in the day of atonement.
01:41:31.560 They take a goat and cast all the sins on it.
01:41:34.940 And they called it a Zazel and cast it off a cliff into the wilderness.
01:41:41.400 All this goes back to these goats, these hairy satyrs, these Nephilim giants.
01:41:46.380 And there's common themes throughout history because I believe this was the origin point.
01:41:52.240 When you go to, you know, Europe, you have this ancient legend of Krampus.
01:42:00.060 Krampus was this hairy demon looking guy.
01:42:02.840 And what did he do?
01:42:03.520 He abducted children.
01:42:04.480 Then you go down to the island of Sardinia on the winter solstice.
01:42:10.600 They have this custom that they still do today.
01:42:12.800 It's called the methones or the methanes.
01:42:15.360 They cover themselves from head to toe in black goat's fur and then put bells all over
01:42:21.260 their shoulders and backs.
01:42:23.160 And then they paint a wooden mask and they wire that over their face and would abduct women.
01:42:30.400 They would dance through the streets and abduct women.
01:42:33.300 And the children that are of age, coming to age, their ceremony is that they would light
01:42:39.560 a huge bonfire and to prove their bravery would have to pass through the fire.
01:42:46.240 Everything goes back to this culture.
01:42:49.900 Do you know, like there's parts in the Bible where, I forget the people, but they're trying
01:42:55.880 to atone for whatever they've done or maybe they're suffering.
01:42:59.620 And they put on, um, they put on like a cloth that's very itchy.
01:43:04.920 They put that on their back and they'll, it'll say like they wail.
01:43:08.100 Do you know what I'm talking about?
01:43:10.040 Yeah.
01:43:10.440 Do you think that that is to like almost like an, to like emulate these people that were
01:43:16.660 around them?
01:43:17.240 Like they were, that these Nephilim, like I'm going to put this on and be as low as
01:43:21.960 them as I'm like suffering through this.
01:43:24.900 Like, what was that about?
01:43:26.360 Yeah.
01:43:26.760 I don't know.
01:43:27.220 I've never thought about that.
01:43:28.240 I always just thought about it as it was just very uncomfortable.
01:43:32.560 So they done, you know, the most uncomfortable thing that they could think of to put on
01:43:38.380 weird clothes, atone, you know, for their sins.
01:43:41.320 And, but yeah, I'd never thought of that.
01:43:45.120 I think I need to deep dive into that because it's like put on, just putting on weird clothes
01:43:49.020 is not enough to atone for what, you know, horrible thing you've done.
01:43:54.540 And it's an exact opposite of the garments from the garden of God.
01:43:57.520 And that's another common theme, uh, Jason and the Argonauts, you know, that, that goes
01:44:02.420 off the story of the, the golden fleece.
01:44:04.500 Well, in that story, there's a man and a woman that was commanded to be sacrificed, uh, by
01:44:10.440 Zeus.
01:44:11.840 Uh, Athena sends them this, uh, golden ram and it flies them to safety, but it lands in
01:44:18.320 the, uh, uh, before it lands, the woman falls and dies and they land in the garden of Ares
01:44:26.260 and Athena tells the man to sacrifice the ram and that that would appease Zeus and he could
01:44:33.860 live.
01:44:34.500 He, that the, the, the ram would be the substitute for the sacrifice.
01:44:37.420 So they sacrificed the ram, they cut off the golden fleece and they hang it on a tree in
01:44:42.940 the midst of the garden of Ares and a great serpent guards it.
01:44:47.940 And it was the symbol of kingship and authority.
01:44:50.220 And you go back to Isaac and Abraham, Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son.
01:44:55.720 Well, last minute, what happens?
01:44:57.680 God provides a ram in the thicket as a substitute for the sacrifice.
01:45:03.340 Uh, Marduk, his creation story talks about these tablets of destiny that, uh, Kingu who
01:45:11.340 was unrightful because, uh, they were all creations of Tiamat.
01:45:15.780 Well, Marduk was the older son, Kingu who was the younger one, but she ends up breeding with
01:45:22.460 Kingu and makes Kingu her son and husband.
01:45:25.620 And she puts on him the coverings, the tablets of destiny.
01:45:29.840 And once, uh, Marduk defeats Tiamat, he takes Kingu as his slave and as his servant.
01:45:36.980 And it says in there specifically, he removes the tablets of destiny from Kingu because he
01:45:43.540 was undeserving.
01:45:45.340 So you have all these common themes of all these different stories throughout culture.
01:45:50.280 And it all stems from an ancient point, uh, in my opinion.
01:45:54.100 We, we, we have about 15 minutes left and I really want to get to what happened, what
01:46:03.540 happens to these garments, you know, is it, is that, is that the last time that we see
01:46:08.380 them?
01:46:09.260 Um, and, and certainly maybe we can speculate a little bit as to where they might be today.
01:46:15.000 Yeah, the last time that they're documented is, uh, with Joseph because Joseph, you know,
01:46:25.920 he steals the birthright.
01:46:27.400 His mother steals the garments from Esau's house and puts them on Jacob.
01:46:33.220 So Jacob has them.
01:46:35.140 And, uh, later in life, the same verbiage is used where it says that, uh, Cush had Nimrod
01:46:42.520 in his old age and Nimrod was the son of his old age, whom he loved exceedingly.
01:46:46.500 And he gave the garments.
01:46:48.160 You had that exact same phrase with Joseph in his older age or Jacob.
01:46:53.740 I'm sorry.
01:46:54.420 Because Jacob gives the garments, which we know he was in possession of.
01:46:59.220 It says that he give his son, Joseph, a coat of many colors.
01:47:04.500 And once we hear, you know, the Jasper, onyx, diamond, you know, topaz, all these multicolored
01:47:09.900 stones that was on this garment, it was definitely colorful and it matches the trading of it.
01:47:16.760 It says this was the child of their old age and they love exceedingly.
01:47:20.460 And once he gives Joseph this coat of many colors, it is at that time that all kinds of
01:47:27.540 supernatural stuff starts happening with Joseph.
01:47:29.940 Joseph starts getting dreams.
01:47:31.260 It says that, uh, uh, the wheat and the field bowed to Joseph, that, uh, that his brothers,
01:47:40.440 all 12 brothers, uh, or 11 rather bowed to him.
01:47:43.980 And that even the, the stars of heaven, you know, the angelic race, the quote unquote lower
01:47:50.880 G gods even bowed before Joseph's feet once he received the garments.
01:47:56.260 So the last time that we see is that he was out in the field to go get his brothers and
01:48:02.800 they conspired to kill him.
01:48:04.480 And it says that they ripped a piece of the garment and dipped it in blood and traded him
01:48:11.400 to the traders that were going to Egypt and comes back to, uh, Jacob with the blood soaked
01:48:17.540 garment.
01:48:18.260 So we don't know if it was the full garment or just a piece of the garment, but it says that
01:48:22.200 they brought that to Jacob and said, Joseph is dead, uh, like a wild animal tore him to
01:48:28.460 pieces.
01:48:28.900 This is all that remains.
01:48:32.080 What a bunch of newtards.
01:48:34.300 Yeah.
01:48:34.480 And archaeologists actually have found in the ancient city of Avaris, a temple tomb of a
01:48:40.300 high priest, which was a known, uh, Semites, uh, settlement, an empty tomb.
01:48:45.920 And was it say when Moses left Egypt, he took the bones of Joseph with him.
01:48:50.420 But in that empty tomb, they found a statue that was shattered to pieces.
01:48:54.400 It was painted with yellow skin.
01:48:56.000 That's only a Semite thing.
01:48:57.580 Egyptians didn't paint their statues with yellow skin, but on his shoulder was a coat of many
01:49:04.000 colors.
01:49:05.320 So even the archaeology backs up this story.
01:49:09.700 And, but we just have no idea where it went after.
01:49:12.260 It's just, yeah.
01:49:13.820 Probably in the Vatican.
01:49:14.740 Probably in the Vatican.
01:49:15.920 Hmm.
01:49:16.220 Hmm.
01:49:17.500 Hmm.
01:49:18.580 Or you never know a piece of it might be woven into some of these Royals garments, you
01:49:24.300 know, or robes or something.
01:49:25.740 Right.
01:49:26.260 That's actually something that we came across with the Shroud of Turin.
01:49:29.020 We did an episode with the Cult of Conspiracy guys and it allegedly at some point, um, it
01:49:34.740 was pieces of it were cut off and given as like essentially party favors, um, at these, you
01:49:41.820 know, these gigantic, uh, Royal gatherings.
01:49:44.420 And so who knows what idiotic thing may have happened to it, but there is also this other
01:49:49.180 side of it where it's like, if it is in the Vatican, there are so many, um, ancient artifacts
01:49:56.440 that were seemingly very powerful, right?
01:49:59.080 You have, uh, the, the garments or maybe even the Spear of Destiny that Hitler seemed to be,
01:50:05.900 uh, seeking at some point.
01:50:08.000 There's also the Ark of the Covenant, the sword that, um, David used to, he took from
01:50:14.440 Goliath and, and cut off his head.
01:50:16.440 There's a lot of speculation as to whether or not that sword had some sort of special
01:50:20.400 properties to it.
01:50:21.280 And I just can't help but wonder, I mean, so much of the, the, the things that are the
01:50:26.420 cornerstone of mythology or, or good fiction that we watch, um, or, or absorb here in the
01:50:34.560 West, uh, the cornerstone of it is often this, this amazing artifact.
01:50:39.500 Here's a great idea.
01:50:40.960 Guy goes to Goodwill, buys this great jacket.
01:50:43.360 And then all of a sudden his life is flipped upside down because it happens to be the garment
01:50:46.940 of Adam.
01:50:47.600 It's not a bad film.
01:50:49.180 I'd watch that film.
01:50:50.000 There's a patch sewn inside of the stuffing that was hidden away in ancient times.
01:50:54.920 Yep.
01:50:55.520 Exactly.
01:50:56.160 Exactly.
01:50:56.660 So, I mean, it's a shame because, uh, you know, I believe there's going to come a time
01:51:01.280 where so many of these things will come to light, uh, but right now it's like so many
01:51:06.900 of these stories and artifacts, they just lead to this, this dead end.
01:51:12.320 And we're left here in 2024 to speculate.
01:51:15.880 And it really is a shame if it is, uh, like people think it is.
01:51:20.800 And in the basement of the Vatican, it's just endless things.
01:51:22.360 Well, it's the excitement of the hunt, man.
01:51:23.700 It is.
01:51:24.220 It is.
01:51:24.620 The Bible says, uh, it's the glory of God to conceal a thing, but Hey, it's the glory
01:51:29.340 of Kings to search things out.
01:51:32.700 Very interesting.
01:51:33.880 I love that.
01:51:34.720 I love that.
01:51:35.420 I think that's a good place to leave it.
01:51:36.900 But honestly, I feel like we have, we have Ed Mabry coming up in a couple of minutes,
01:51:40.820 but I feel like we could do another hour and a half, like just on whatever from here.
01:51:46.220 I'd love to have you back on if you're not busy sometime in the future.
01:51:50.100 Oh, no, man.
01:51:50.780 Yeah.
01:51:51.460 I'd love to come back on.
01:51:53.400 Great.
01:51:53.760 Well, then, um, let's wrap it up here one more time, Justin.
01:51:57.220 And first off, thank you for your time.
01:51:59.800 And thank you for sharing that all with us.
01:52:01.120 It's incredibly fascinating.
01:52:02.680 I was very excited to do this episode and, uh, I think we, we nailed it.
01:52:07.720 So go ahead and let everybody know where they can find your work if they want to support
01:52:12.080 you.
01:52:13.220 Uh, yeah.
01:52:14.020 Uh, thanks for having me guys.
01:52:15.320 Hope you enjoyed it.
01:52:16.080 And if you enjoy this conversation, you are going to enjoy the podcast.
01:52:20.540 Every episode is like this deep diving into ancient history and mythology and just connecting
01:52:26.360 dots, man.
01:52:27.140 And, uh, I've kind of coined it the hero's journey.
01:52:30.360 You know, I tell everybody that we go into the unknown, we slay the dragon, we rescue
01:52:36.280 the damsel, and we come out on the other end as heroes.
01:52:39.700 And I open up every show saying, welcome to the hero's journey.
01:52:44.300 So I'd love to have you guys join us on this journey.
01:52:48.620 Yeah, man.
01:52:49.260 If you guys are listening, please go follow, give him a follow, help him grow his following.
01:52:53.680 I'd love to see like people like this, be able to do this.
01:52:57.080 I don't know what you do as a job, but if you could do this full time to help uncover
01:53:00.820 what's really going on, that would be great.
01:53:03.400 But instead we're paying for only fans, girls, you're buying stuff you don't need.
01:53:08.080 You're going to go to Wendy's to eat.
01:53:09.360 Come on, people be better.
01:53:11.800 Right.
01:53:12.860 Well, guys, definitely.
01:53:13.600 I got a full time job.
01:53:14.800 I'd love to do this full time.
01:53:16.200 So yeah, help me out.
01:53:17.320 Well, I'm glad that you're putting 10 years of research to some sort of use.
01:53:23.740 And I think there's a lot more that we could talk about.
01:53:26.140 So you're absolutely invited back on the show.
01:53:28.820 You have an open door policy.
01:53:29.980 So we will visit this again.
01:53:32.560 Guys, go and support Justin over at Prometheus Lens Podcast.
01:53:37.040 Is there anything else that we have, Top?
01:53:39.360 See you in 10 minutes with Ed Mabry.
01:53:41.460 Peace out, guys.
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