Nephilim Death Squad - 072： Ancient Cultures w⧸ Samuel P Urban

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00:00:30.000 Humans in the past really, really cared about this.

00:00:33.160 They cared about this above all else, it seems.

00:00:37.100 So there's something to the stars.

00:00:38.960 And today we have light pollution.

00:00:40.880 We have satellites in the sky.

00:00:42.820 And I don't know if that's an intention or a lack of caring.

00:00:46.480 I think it's probably mostly the latter.

00:00:48.720 It's just they think it's irrelevant towards other things that we value.

00:00:53.120 The god of money, of our phones, of worshipping consumerism, which we do.

00:00:59.140 The human species is a species that worships.

00:01:02.180 And if you do not pick what you worship, it will be chosen for you.

00:01:06.820 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:01:13.020 News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:01:17.960 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:26.380 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely...

00:01:32.240 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

00:01:33.480 There's some Neflam shit. 1.00

00:01:34.640 It's like we all know it's going down. 1.00

00:01:37.300 But no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave. 1.00

00:01:40.820 Motherf***ers, they controlling this now. 1.00

00:01:42.500 And no one's talking about how they made us try to be slaves. 1.00

00:01:45.620 And everybody's just walking around.

00:01:47.740 Heading to talk to one awake until we're dead in the green.

00:01:50.820 But it's too late.

00:01:51.820 We need to be ready to raise up.

00:01:53.660 Welcome to the end of day.

00:01:55.320 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:05.820 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:02:09.460 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:02:12.740 And before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind all of our live viewers,

00:02:17.200 if you're watching this live, this is only a preview and will end somewhere around the half an hour mark

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00:02:27.040 you can go to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:31.760 Now, today we are joined by Ill Scholar.

00:02:36.420 Samuel Urban.

00:02:37.560 Samuel Urban, yes.

00:02:38.880 You could also scan the QR code in the corner. 0.67

00:02:40.760 If you're a retard, if you're watching on TV, take your phone, put it right there. 1.00

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00:02:47.420 But, yeah, back to Samuel Urban, man.

00:02:49.600 It's nice to have you on the show and finally talk to you.

00:02:51.660 I feel like we've been mutuals for a long time on Twitter.

00:02:55.140 Yeah, a long time.

00:02:55.680 I was going to say Facebook.

00:02:56.740 On Twitter, maybe like over a year, right?

00:02:58.980 I do feel like we're doing this kind of like this orbiting of one another.

00:03:03.540 We're dancing around one another for some time here.

00:03:05.940 And so, yeah, I agree.

00:03:07.100 It is finally good to have you on the show.

00:03:09.080 For those of you, go ahead, Tom.

00:03:10.520 He does what I do, but more seriously.

00:03:12.440 Yes.

00:03:13.180 His show, I'm looking at your show, this illegitimate scholar here on YouTube, 1.00

00:03:19.100 and it's like our show, but more, it's better.

00:03:22.600 It's more organized.

00:03:23.820 It's respectable.

00:03:25.460 You do 5 to Midnight as well, right?

00:03:27.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:28.600 5 to Midnight as well with Luke, Typo, Adam Nutter.

00:03:34.480 Yeah, 5 to Midnight is like the Wish.com tower gang, basically.

00:03:39.080 No, it's like Tower Gang if we weren't bumbling retards. 0.98

00:03:41.820 Well, I mean, Adam Nutter is a bumbling retard, but you got Luke and Typo there, too. 1.00

00:03:44.920 So, yeah, yeah, it's pretty much, I would say just me and Typo are the ones that aren't retarded. 0.99

00:03:51.560 Just dragging the retarded corpses of your co-hosts around, I understand. 1.00

00:03:55.600 Yeah, we love to do it, yeah, especially me. 0.98

00:03:58.720 I'm the foil.

00:03:59.840 I play it up.

00:04:00.480 I've done it less recently, but I want to do it more.

00:04:02.740 It's more fun that way.

00:04:03.820 So then, just for the audience, let's get this out of the way.

00:04:06.440 Let everybody know where they can find you.

00:04:08.280 Yeah, it's ill underscore scholar on X and illegitimate scholar on YouTube, and that's where I'm at.

00:04:16.000 Lots of threads.

00:04:17.140 Most of my stuff is, like, within regular academics accepted, but, you know, there's plenty of stuff in real academics and, like, real truth that's, or not real truth, but, like, stuff that would be accepted by the metrics and standards of the mainstream academia.

00:04:33.360 But they just don't talk about it, and they pretend it doesn't exist, but it does, and that's what I do a lot.

00:04:40.520 So I don't do a lot of speculation, I guess.

00:04:42.960 I want to ask, I want to start off with a question that isn't so nuts and bolts, and this is really kind of an emotional-driven one, but recently we saw, thank you, Nancy.

00:04:53.400 We saw a clip going around of Graham Hancock on the Joe Rogan experience, and Graham Hancock is one of these guys that deals with ancient archaeology and trying to unearth the actual dating behind these megalithic structures and who built them and things of that nature.

00:05:13.080 And a lot of his takes are very controversial, although recently I would say that they're, he's winning.

00:05:18.980 He's fighting a winning battle for a long time.

00:05:21.180 It was an uphill battle.

00:05:22.580 Academia would reject a lot of his findings.

00:05:25.400 But he's recently on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he's doing some name-dropping.

00:05:31.400 And one of the names that he drops, crediting you for the research that you've done, is Illegitimate Scholar.

00:05:38.580 And so my question to you is, how in the hell did that feel?

00:05:43.820 It had to be a bizarre moment.

00:05:45.540 I just love the psychology of moments like that when I see people that I know, they reach a certain point that a lot of people, you know, it's a bizarre thing to hear your own name dropped on one of the biggest podcasts in the world.

00:05:56.220 So what did that feel like for you?

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00:06:27.920 Yeah, I mean, so I streamed the episode, that episode, right?

00:06:34.340 Like, whenever Graham Hancock goes on, I do lots of long live streams on YouTube where I just watch different stuff.

00:06:42.420 I've recently been doing – I've got to get back to it.

00:06:44.540 I might do it today.

00:06:45.760 But, like, one of these old books, Ignatius Donnelly, that Flint Dibble, this guy – we'll get into it.

00:06:51.200 But this guy that, like, he called this book racist and all this stuff.

00:06:54.780 And I was like, okay, this, like, frumpy, weird dude thinks that this is racist, so this is a book I've got to check out.

00:07:03.440 And so I've been listening to that live.

00:07:06.660 But I put it up live, and I actually knew that he was going to drop my name.

00:07:12.320 I knew he was going to drop my name because people – like, I started streaming the episode, like, two hours after it went live.

00:07:18.180 So there were people already coming to the channel because they had heard my name on Joe Rogan.

00:07:25.080 But then it happened, and, I mean, it's – my reaction is live.

00:07:30.880 Like, the whole four-hour thing is live, and you can, like, watch me react to it.

00:07:35.300 I played it back, like, seven times, and you can watch me almost cry on the stream.

00:07:40.080 So, you know.

00:07:41.500 It's surreal, right?

00:07:43.720 That's the word I used, actually, the exact word I used.

00:07:46.340 It was crazy.

00:07:46.840 And also, you know, what Graham Hancock said about me was so nice on there, which was, like, even better.

00:07:53.420 So, yeah, it was great.

00:07:54.460 It's great to get recognized for what you're doing.

00:07:58.100 Yeah.

00:07:58.760 How long have you been into all of this?

00:08:00.420 I mean, this is – you know, you're talking about a moment that is sort of a – you could call it a peak, right?

00:08:07.040 I mean, as far as the length of time that you've been researching and then to see the culmination of your work, you know, reach such a platform.

00:08:15.260 How long have you been doing this?

00:08:17.280 Well, you know, I – so, I've been doing the podcast for two years.

00:08:23.880 But before that, I – like, I've been into history.

00:08:26.820 I wanted to be a history teacher my entire life since I was, like, seven years old.

00:08:30.820 So, I was in the Marine Corps, got out of the Marine Corps at 22.

00:08:33.320 I'm 29 now.

00:08:34.480 And at 22, I started my teaching program, or I started college in order to get into my teaching program.

00:08:44.100 And I love academics.

00:08:47.880 Four years on the GI Bill, I got bachelor's degrees in history, anthropology, did an archaeological field school during that, and in education.

00:08:58.960 So, I got three bachelor's degrees.

00:09:02.300 And I've been studying this kind of stuff, like, seriously in college for about seven years.

00:09:09.300 And before that, I mean, I – you know, most of my life.

00:09:13.520 Like, we'll say 24 years.

00:09:16.460 I'm 29 now, and I've been studying history in some form for the vast majority of that since I could basically read.

00:09:22.660 So, yeah, does that answer your question?

00:09:26.860 I can go on more.

00:09:27.760 I think it does.

00:09:28.560 It's just that – I find that curious, right?

00:09:31.920 That such a young age to have such a fascination with history, I often find it interesting, the things that people are drawn to when they're young,

00:09:39.720 and then they continue to tenaciously throughout their adult life.

00:09:43.720 But –

00:09:44.160 Here's a question for you.

00:09:45.080 At what age did you realize that they were lying to you?

00:09:48.020 That, dude, that's so perfect.

00:09:49.380 That's exactly where I was going.

00:09:50.540 Because everybody learns history, and then at some point – I think I became bored with it because it just didn't sit right with me. 0.98

00:09:56.720 A lot of it kind of was – felt like bullshit. 0.63

00:09:59.080 But now that I'm learning, like, oh, no, like, World War II didn't really go down this way. 0.93

00:10:03.120 There were a lot more – there's a lot more nuance to it.

00:10:05.300 It becomes more interesting.

00:10:06.860 Yeah.

00:10:07.360 So, you know, I'll say maybe sophomore, junior, and college.

00:10:14.280 You know, going into college, I knew I loved history, but, like, I'm reading these history books,

00:10:19.520 and I'm not having the – you know, there's lots of – I love traditional education.

00:10:24.500 I do.

00:10:25.080 I – you know, people will accuse me of being some sort of alternative hack.

00:10:29.200 And in certain ways, sure, I'm alternative.

00:10:30.860 But not really in the sense that, like, I still mostly work in – work within the same rules that academia does in their methodology and everything,

00:10:42.620 both in history and anthropology.

00:10:44.140 But, you know, asking a lot of questions in college and bringing up things that professors didn't know about,

00:10:50.940 asking important questions.

00:10:52.380 Like, one example, I had a professor.

00:10:54.740 I was trying to ask him what the difference was between slavery and serfdom.

00:10:59.460 And, like, each answer that he gives me is just, like – I'm, like, okay, so, like, in serfdom, they're owned – the people are owned by the land,

00:11:11.000 and then lords own the land. 0.92

00:11:14.020 How is that different than slavery?

00:11:15.800 And, like, I just kept asking questions, and eventually this professor is just, like, I don't know.

00:11:20.100 It's different.

00:11:20.760 Like, it's – and he has no answer.

00:11:22.060 So it was having, like, these professors have no answers to what I'm saying and things like that and studying as much as possible.

00:11:32.120 So I'd say probably sophomore, junior in college because before that, you know, I would have been – you know, 0.89

00:11:36.360 I'm just some dumb jarhead trying to learn.

00:11:40.320 And it wasn't until I had a lot of experience with this stuff that I realized that they're not arbiters of truth in the same way. 0.87

00:11:47.460 And always alternative, you know, I've been in the Libertarian Party and a little bit in the Green Party,

00:11:52.840 so always outside of the mainstream politically and through the way that I think.

00:11:57.700 So that's always been an underlying idea.

00:12:01.080 That's where we met with the – when I was gay.

00:12:03.980 I almost forgot.

00:12:06.060 Yeah.

00:12:06.500 Yeah, so that's an interesting pipeline from the Libertarian Party to – I don't know if you're still in it, but –

00:12:12.860 No, no.

00:12:13.760 I mean, yeah, it's very hard to –

00:12:15.440 None of us are on 5 till midnight.

00:12:16.680 We're all – like I said last night when we were doing it, like, oh, we're all small L Libertarians still.

00:12:23.920 And everyone was like, no.

00:12:24.820 And I'm like, yeah, not really.

00:12:25.960 So, no, I'm full-blown fascist at this point.

00:12:28.860 It's interesting how that does – that pipeline does lead you to the places where we're at

00:12:35.780 because it's like an innocent stage where you thought that things could still sort of be fixed with these modern solutions.

00:12:42.820 But I think after a while you're like, ah, this is not leading to anywhere.

00:12:46.940 But I wanted to ask you – so on our show we focus on the fantastical and we do a lot of theorizing.

00:12:54.820 But what about Graham Hancock's work do you agree with?

00:12:59.900 Because it's a very contentious subject.

00:13:01.640 I mean, he's talking about 14,000-year-old civilizations, whereas I think modern – the modern stand would be like, I don't know, less than six, eight to six?

00:13:11.360 14,000 years for what?

00:13:16.580 I guess what you're pointing to, Top, would be the idea of when we transition from hunter-gatherer to basically a peoples that could or were capable of creating a civilization.

00:13:25.980 Yeah, the civilizations, Gobekli Tepe specifically, where –

00:13:30.360 Yeah, so I mean, there's – it's hard, right?

00:13:35.620 Because like Gobekli Tepe kind of does upend a lot of things in archaeology, but there's like things about it that are not explained, and there's things going on with it that are very weird.

00:13:46.600 The thing that really strikes me about Graham Hancock and an example of this is he's in this debate with Flint Dibble, right?

00:13:56.120 And with Flint Dibble, who's this archaeologist who's just a really, really rude guy, really pompous guy, very – like I don't hate all academics.

00:14:07.040 I love academia.

00:14:08.100 Just like I love the information that they do.

00:14:10.320 It has pros and cons just like the alternative has pros and cons.

00:14:13.100 It's all just – everything is like that.

00:14:16.900 Every social construction, which I know is a dirty word, but we'll get into that later, it just means something created by humans.

00:14:23.780 That's it.

00:14:24.120 It's not innate.

00:14:24.860 It's not of God.

00:14:25.700 It's of humans.

00:14:26.500 And if it's of humans, it's not perfect.

00:14:28.340 It's not Jesus.

00:14:29.780 It can't be perfect. 1.00

00:14:30.920 It has to have pros and cons unless you're claiming you're Jesus, in which case go fuck yourself. 1.00

00:14:36.220 So sorry. 1.00

00:14:37.220 I don't know if I can say that.

00:14:38.100 No, no, no.

00:14:38.520 It's fine.

00:14:38.900 But I agree with what you're saying too.

00:14:40.220 It's like there is value in either side of the fence.

00:14:42.920 It's nobody has a stranglehold on the truth.

00:14:45.660 Exactly.

00:14:46.560 Yes.

00:14:47.000 I think on Jimmy Corsetti's show, I used the term like they think they have a monopoly over the human past, and they don't.

00:14:53.720 They don't.

00:14:54.680 They have specific methods.

00:14:56.580 They have specific methods that have their pros and cons.

00:14:59.100 Some of them are very good, and I think it would be better if alternative and mainstream work together, but the mainstream doesn't want to do that.

00:15:06.740 So in this conversation, right, they're having this conversation.

00:15:09.620 A lot of things are said.

00:15:10.580 I have a lot of things to say about what was said, but one of the main things that I remember that struck me is that they were talking about this specific site.

00:15:19.500 I think it was Sasquehanna, which is one that I know less about, but the actual site is irrelevant.

00:15:26.180 They're having this conversation, and Graham asks Flint, have you been there?

00:15:31.240 Have you been there?

00:15:31.900 And he said, no, but I've seen the work on it.

00:15:34.480 And this right here, as he was speaking confidently about it, it speaks to the difference between a mainstream view and what Graham Hancock does, one of the differences.

00:15:45.760 And that is that while Flint Dibble believes that it is perfectly okay for him to not understand a place, to not go to a place and understand how humans live there.

00:15:57.860 These are all locations where humans lived.

00:15:59.940 They lived, they worshipped, they died, they prayed, they fought, they did everything that humans do.

00:16:07.820 And Graham Hancock is much more connected to the human side of this, while people like Flint Dibble are oftentimes, especially Flint Dibble as an individual, but academics like him, they're over-socialized to the point where they are looking at these sites strictly or almost entirely through the lens of the academic field.

00:16:28.880 And so, you know, one thing that Graham Hancock often talks about is shamanism and animism.

00:16:41.180 He doesn't usually use the word animism, but I would use the word animism, which is more broad.

00:16:45.140 And most early human cultures are animistic.

00:16:49.320 And one of the basic tenets of animism is that they believe that all humans, and this is in many forms, it comes in many forms on every continent, I guess, except Antarctica, unless you want to get really, really freaky with it.

00:17:05.880 But let's go.

00:17:07.520 You know, it's the belief in...

00:17:37.500 Energy, or some spirit, something that is inherent to all people, animals, objects, rocks, mountains, trees, everything has this energy.

00:17:53.040 For the Eastern Algonquins, this was called Manatau.

00:17:55.720 For the Polynesians, and in the Bible, it's called Mana.

00:17:58.860 It's, I forget what the name for the Celts is, but all of these early cultures have this idea.

00:18:06.540 And whether they were connected by some ancient civilization or not, this seems to be an all-encompassing idea that humans living before modern,

00:18:20.100 and when it's not really even modern, but even like classical, BC, essentially, all humans have this no matter where you go.

00:18:29.780 The best way that I would describe this in a way that people understand is through Star Wars' idea of midichlorians.

00:18:39.060 Midichlorians are in all things, all living things. 1.00

00:18:41.920 It also includes all dead and non-living things, usually for animism, but these are in all things.

00:18:49.540 And this type of thinking, which is pervasive in all human cultures up to a certain point, is often ignored.

00:18:57.200 And so Flint Dibble doesn't believe that he needs to walk around Sasquehanna and feel the energy, the Manatau, the Mana of a place to understand what it is.

00:19:07.240 And he ignores this massive gap.

00:19:10.460 And Graham Hancock doesn't do that.

00:19:12.140 He believes in understanding, in walking around, and feeling the energy of this place.

00:19:20.020 And that's much more in line with human nature.

00:19:23.620 It seems to me that it would be best if you were somebody who was exploring these ideas,

00:19:30.260 especially when it comes to ancient civilizations and megalithic structures,

00:19:33.480 to get as close as possible within reason, right?

00:19:36.860 We don't have a time machine, but to the mindset of the people that inhabited that and to understand their culture.

00:19:42.860 I mean, the more you understand about not just the structures and the landscape, the geography of a place,

00:19:49.580 but the people that inhabit it and, you know, what they were like,

00:19:54.100 it seems that you would have a better understanding maybe then of the nature of the place that you're looking at.

00:19:59.500 So, yeah, I mean, from an academic point of view, it seems wasted.

00:20:04.920 That's like us looking at pictures.

00:20:06.560 I saw somebody say it in the chat, looking at pictures of a supernova from NASA that NASA provided us with

00:20:14.060 and claiming that you understand what you're looking at.

00:20:15.920 It's like that's a photo.

00:20:17.120 You know what I mean?

00:20:17.640 And so to be so immersed in this as your field of study, but to never be in the field is...

00:20:24.200 But it's common practice.

00:20:25.380 I mean, the modern church would tell you, like, not everything's so spiritual.

00:20:31.460 And it's like your whole existence is about the spiritual.

00:20:35.820 You worship somebody who died and came back, but I guess it's a lot easier to write that kind of aspect of

00:20:41.580 because it's hard to explain.

00:20:43.220 There's a lot going on when you start to extrapolate what these people were actually doing,

00:20:46.780 and that's a huge part of what they were building or maybe how their culture went.

00:20:51.000 It's a classic disconnectivity, too, because you have the same thing.

00:20:54.520 Like, I was a welder and a fabricator.

00:20:56.720 And to use an analogy that I think fits here, it's like as a welder and a fabricator, I was the guy in the field,

00:21:03.580 and the engineers were the guys that were designing things that I would then build.

00:21:09.340 And many times it just didn't work out that way.

00:21:12.220 And it was because the engineers spent no time in the field.

00:21:14.100 They weren't there on site understanding the thing, kinetically touching it, being a part of it.

00:21:20.140 And so often that's when you got a hybrid, somebody who was willing to go in the field

00:21:25.380 and then go back and sit behind a computer and engineer something, that's when you found the most success.

00:21:29.680 So I think that that's just a classic disconnect that people do a disservice to themselves

00:21:34.160 and also the community that they're disseminating information to by not being there

00:21:38.860 and not being a part of this thing that they claim to have an expertise in.

00:21:41.900 Yes. And what you'll see a lot is, you know, when certain things are talked about, you know,

00:21:48.160 academia, archaeology, they like to think that they know exactly what's going on,

00:21:54.700 or they have the best explanation for it.

00:21:57.200 But with all of these things, like an example of, like, the precision in a lot of these early structures,

00:22:04.920 they're unexplained.

00:22:06.860 And academia, archaeology, they'll explain them in a certain way, and they'll present that as a fact.

00:22:11.900 As an almost fact, they'll present it.

00:22:14.360 And, like, if you look at one of these posts, if it's popular enough talking about this,

00:22:19.500 the precision in, like, the stonemasonry of a lot of these sites,

00:22:22.980 you'll see tradesmen in the comments below who are stonemasons.

00:22:27.480 They work with this stuff, and they're, like, and they're in the comments, like,

00:22:31.640 what, like, we can barely do this. 0.98

00:22:34.800 How the fuck did they do it? 0.69

00:22:36.680 And these are people who have experience working with their hands with these things. 0.99

00:22:40.320 They know what's possible and what's not.

00:22:43.060 And, but, of course, they don't, these people often didn't go to college.

00:22:47.740 They don't, they're tradespeople. 0.72

00:22:49.860 They work with their hands.

00:22:50.860 And academia is not going to listen to that a lot of the times.

00:22:55.000 But that, like, you know, I have a little experience with that.

00:22:58.520 I've done a little bit of renovation and things.

00:23:00.420 And I was, I was an HVAC technician, which doesn't really have a lot of relevance to that.

00:23:05.180 But I understand, like, knowing what's possible and what isn't and not explaining everything away through just books

00:23:13.320 and finding the best explanation that you have and then presenting it in a way that is almost fact from an arbiter of truth in a way.

00:23:23.700 There's this epiphanous moment that happens sometimes when you step onto a job site, let's just say, for example,

00:23:30.200 and you see a thing and then all of a sudden you go, oh, I understand this better than I did just a moment ago.

00:23:35.980 And so, yeah, these things reveal themselves.

00:23:37.580 But go ahead, Tom.

00:23:38.440 My old job, I worked in the subway system in New York City.

00:23:41.960 And that's like, in my, it's probably the second type of heaviest, second heaviest construction type of job you can actually do.

00:23:49.820 Everything is heavy down there.

00:23:51.120 And I used to drive a truck.

00:23:52.160 I used to transport, you know, entire, entire panels of tracks, like three of them, four of them at a time, stacks of rails.

00:23:59.560 So I understand how hard it is to move stuff that's just 80,000 pounds.

00:24:04.600 If we're talking about 120,000 pounds, you need like a super low boy.

00:24:09.300 Like I've moved entire trains.

00:24:09.640 Yeah, and we're talking more like, in a lot of cases, over 200,000.

00:24:13.740 Dude, yeah, I know those, just like the bricks that they use to build the pyramids is like kind of like what I'm aiming at here.

00:24:19.820 And I see them moving.

00:24:21.420 I see what they look like. 0.97

00:24:22.600 I'm like, that's fucking impossible. 0.92

00:24:23.940 There's no, like with a modern truck, I don't know how you'd move this with a crane. 0.98

00:24:27.960 I don't know how you'd even pick this thing up.

00:24:30.220 It's insane.

00:24:30.960 But, you know, I guess people have other opinions.

00:24:33.480 But I've done it physically. 1.00

00:24:34.680 I'm like not moving that shit. 0.98

00:24:36.940 That brings me to kind of this conversation that I'd like to open up. 0.99

00:24:40.580 You know, we're talking about people that are in the field versus people that are theorizing who won't get off their asses and go see a thing. 0.96

00:24:47.580 The general public, we are the we won't get off our asses and go and see a thing.

00:24:52.920 And so one of the examples that I think fits that description so aptly is, you know, ancient aliens, let's say, right? 0.86

00:25:01.520 We're ancient aliens.

00:25:02.220 It's like we're sitting down and we are enjoying season after season after season, countless episodes of these people telling us that every megalithic structure that they can possibly put their finger on was created by aliens in some way, shape or form.

00:25:14.800 And look, if you want to tell me that it's aliens, I will argue with you about the definition of alien.

00:25:20.300 But I'm not so certain that that's not applicable, right?

00:25:23.320 Maybe there is something to that or some sort of advanced technology we have had on this show before Timothy Albarino, who I guess would consider himself an adventurer, but also an archaeologist.

00:25:33.980 He spends a great deal of time in Peru exploring Machu Picchu and the other megalithic structures that are out there.

00:25:40.300 And he tells a fascinating story about what the government of Peru will tell you, you know, the people that are responsible for overseeing tour guides and things of that nature.

00:25:49.400 Now, these people have been, it's my understanding, they're fed up with this ancient aliens narrative.

00:25:56.560 They get a lot of, what would you call it, tourism that is birthed from this ancient alien craze that's going on.

00:26:04.700 Now, they will tell you that the Inca built the structures and there's, you know, it's a mystery how they leveraged and moved these stones, but otherwise that's who they attributed to.

00:26:15.180 But there are people that I guess you would consider native that believe themselves to be descendants of the Inca, although even that gets a little bit strange because it seems that the Inca were an entirely different people.

00:26:25.340 But they say that the story goes, and this is just a story, but one that we certainly find fascinating, a race of giants actually built their megalithic structures.

00:26:38.120 And what's very interesting about that story is that these giants were not benign.

00:26:44.600 They become hostile, cannibalistic even, killing each other and eating the humans, and that their overarching sort of head god sent floodwaters to kill them.

00:26:55.780 And it's very interesting because you need only look at the Bible and the story of Noah to get a very similar story and one that you find.

00:27:02.760 And I know this delves into the Graham Hancock territory about these massive floods that seemingly took place all over the world.

00:27:09.640 Or I don't know if he says all over the world, but certainly in the places that he is studying.

00:27:13.540 And I just wonder, with all of that, right, we're talking about ancient aliens, we're talking about giants potentially having done this, maybe there was some sort of technology that was lost.

00:27:24.800 A lot of people theorize that it's a harmonics-based frequency technology to move these stones.

00:27:29.100 Where, in your studies, what do you think, let's not even go towards what you believe created these structures, but where do you place those things in the grand scheme of things?

00:27:40.200 Ancient aliens, giants, you know, lost frequency technology, are those even viable options as to the building of these?

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00:29:17.060 Okay, so there's a lot in there, but number one, I don't want to misrepresent mainstream academic archaeology.

00:29:27.960 They do go to the sites, right?

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00:29:59.520 They look at it in a certain way, and then other archaeologists don't believe that they themselves need to go to the site to understand what it is, and they'll just read the published material.

00:30:12.500 So, on these stories, right?

00:30:15.960 So, indigenous myths.

00:30:17.420 We talk a lot about indigenous myths, and the word indigenous has become quite politicized.

00:30:22.520 Today, like, an example is the, there's the Sami, and the Sami are a people, they're a Finno-Ugric people related to the culture of Hungary and Finland, as well as some Central Asian people, and the Sami are considered an indigenous people.

00:30:40.280 And even though they've been in Scandinavia, they've inhabited the northern parts of Scandinavia, and they weren't really, like, part of the whole Scandinavian nation-states until nation-states became a thing in the 19th century.

00:30:55.900 And there was, you know, there's movement between these peoples on the edges in this area, but the Sami and other indigenous people are defined by modern archaeology much more in line with their subsistence strategy and what they do, rather than being, you know, the original people.

00:31:14.980 The English are indigenous to England, but they're not considered an indigenous people.

00:31:20.580 And when we talk about indigenous myths, and you're talking about the flood myth, you know, this flood myth shows up in all these different cultures across the world, and there's something to that.

00:31:32.900 And modern archaeology will tell you that they do want to listen to indigenous people, but in practice, it's much more selective than that.

00:31:39.300 And it's indigenous people in a certain definition, whereas they won't consider the Bible an extension of indigenous myths, but it is.

00:31:50.100 And while indigenous myths may have, you know, they may have fantastical stories in them that may or may not be literally true, there's often truth in them in certain ways, and things are changed over time.

00:32:03.540 And there's plenty of study in what I do is mostly cultural anthropology, which is the study of culture.

00:32:09.960 And this is much more accepted in cultural anthropology, that these stories change over time, and they have truth in them.

00:32:15.520 So an example of that is Rapa Nui, also called Easter Island.

00:32:19.820 I tend to just use the indigenous names for them, but I'll use both for clarity.

00:32:24.840 Rapa Nui had this legend that these Moai heads were walked to their final spots.

00:32:33.540 And that doesn't make any sense, because these are massive stone statues.

00:32:37.460 And for a long time, modern archaeology and modern academia would explain how they moved these with rollers. 1.00

00:32:45.320 They're explaining them in a way that makes sense to their own culture.

00:32:48.540 But what they found eventually was that what likely happened is that these stone statues were walked, just like the myth says.

00:32:56.880 And we don't know if they were actually, and I'll explain what I mean in a second.

00:33:02.920 We don't know if like, there's certain stuff now, there's evidence like Graham Hancock brought up in the new ancient apocalypse season that there are bananas from 3,000 years ago in the archaeological record on Rapa Nui.

00:33:17.640 Bananas can't just show up.

00:33:19.800 They have to be planted by humans.

00:33:21.460 They're a very, very specific plant.

00:33:23.220 They're sacred in a lot of ways.

00:33:25.500 The banana is the symbol of my show.

00:33:27.040 People in my chat and when I go on other shows, they spam banana emojis.

00:33:31.420 And I eat them on 5 till midnight.

00:33:32.980 And that's intentional.

00:33:33.840 And that comes from a professor who I really respect of cultural anthropology who used to have a ritual where he would eat a banana every class, before every class.

00:33:42.700 That's his ritual.

00:33:43.840 And ritual is very important to humans.

00:33:45.820 But walking, okay?

00:33:47.080 They walked it.

00:33:47.820 They walked these statues.

00:33:50.220 And while rolling on rollers makes sense, if you're thinking about it from a modern engineering perspective, it doesn't make sense when you consider a lot of these are many tons and they would just crush these logs.

00:34:01.860 But it makes sense as a possible way that they would do it.

00:34:04.940 That's not in line with this indigenous myth.

00:34:08.340 But walking.

00:34:09.240 So, when you consider walking, you're going left and right with your feet.

00:34:14.420 What you can do with these giant statues, and this makes a lot more sense when you look around Rapa Nui and you find a lot of these statues, a lot of these Moai statues are lying broken. 0.79

00:34:26.220 And if the statue is lying down, being moved on rollers, how the fuck would they ever be falling over and broken?

00:34:34.260 They're not going to break. 0.92

00:34:35.140 But if you wrap cords or rope around the base of the Moai and with a team of men and maybe women pulling them back and forth in teams, they will walk.

00:34:53.140 Not in a literal sense, but in a way that they're moving left and right in a ritual where people are working as a team, as humans do, to move these statues to their final place.

00:35:06.560 And it's believed now through experimental archaeology, from archaeologists, that that is how they were moved to their final spots.

00:35:15.600 So, these indigenous myths often have truth in them, and they're used almost weaponized in a way, which is very disrespectful to the people, in my opinion, that believe in these myths.

00:35:33.100 And a lot of these indigenous myths include things that are more fantastical, and these things will just be dismissed while they'll, excuse me, accuse Graham Hancock of being racist, anti-indigenous, anti-Semitic for some reason.

00:35:47.860 I don't even know where that one comes from, but they do it.

00:35:50.100 By, because he, because he has an alternative view, even though, you know, a lot of these indigenous myths include fantastical things of, like, they'll often talk about people from other worlds coming down.

00:36:04.040 It's very common, but these are just dismissed.

00:36:07.600 And I've probably said enough.

00:36:09.060 I can say more, but.

00:36:10.080 What do you think about the idea that, I saw recently a post that was describing how to make an impure limestone, and that the way you could do this is, essentially, it's just a mixture of old ash plus fresh ash and water.

00:36:24.180 And what you do is you create, essentially, what he described as a dirty limestone.

00:36:27.860 But he speculated that maybe the ancients figured out a way to purify this process, or at least refine it in such a way that you can create a much, a much purer version of limestone.

00:36:40.140 So there seems to be this precedent all of a sudden.

00:36:43.220 It's an option that's on the table for casting a lot of these structures that are very mysterious to us.

00:36:48.140 Do you think that that was utilized at all by ancients in a way that maybe nowadays we're looking at it and we're going, I don't know how they did this?

00:36:54.940 Yeah, so I, with a lot of this stuff, I really believe that, you know, I don't necessarily believe in everything that Graham Hancock is saying.

00:37:07.580 I don't know if it's true or not, but I do think he asks important questions and brings up important evidence that should be included.

00:37:15.300 So the idea that the stones were cast is very, very attractive to me when you consider the size of these stones in certain places.

00:37:23.580 There's, there's a lot of independent researchers, there's, there's probably archaeologists doing this as well, but there's a guy named, a Hungarian guy named Marcel Foti on, on X, who does experiments with this.

00:37:37.700 And he, he casts stones in experiments with different methods.

00:37:43.700 Um, and I think that's very possible, but what's, what's more important to me is that one thing that archaeologists will tell you and anthropologists in general, anthropology in North America is a field that has four subfields.

00:37:59.540 Archaeology, cultural anthropology, which is most of what I do, um, and then biological anthropology and linguistic anthropology, which I know, I know less about those two.

00:38:09.220 But we're talking about, but we're talking about, but we're talking about cultural anthropology and archaeology, which is, are the two that I know the most about.

00:38:15.220 And in those fields, you know, they'll tell you that contrary to archaeology and, and cultural anthropology in the past, that there is not a single linear trajectory for human culture.

00:38:28.320 That, you know, that, you know, in the past, they believed that people went from, they went from bands to tribes, and, and bands are like a much smaller version.

00:38:41.520 Band today can, can mean a lot of things.

00:38:43.420 Like the, I was speaking to an Ojibwe man, a, who is from a, a band of Native Americans, and it has thousands of people.

00:38:49.620 But bands in the past, uh, by the anthropological definition, meant a, a group of, uh, extended family groups that work together and are often, most of the time, um, also part of a larger tribe that would meet at certain times of the year, equinoxes, um, things like that.

00:39:09.360 And, and, you know, for a long time, and this was heavily influenced by, uh, Western traditions and Western culture is that, you know, it's almost like if you've ever played a paradox game or like civilization, that you, you have a trajectory of civilization where you get writing, and then you get the wheel, and you get metallurgy, and you move along this path.

00:39:33.260 And that's just not true.

00:39:34.520 It's not true.

00:39:35.240 And archaeologists and alternative people agree on this, and there's plenty of evidence for this.

00:39:41.420 What's more true is that there are plenty of ways that any type of people can interact with their environment, and through what is available to them, they create, uh, solutions to different problems that they have.

00:40:02.060 And a lot of people talk about the Aztecs, the Incas, and any, any group of people, and they'll say, okay, they didn't have the wheel.

00:40:10.360 They didn't have widespread metallurgy. 0.99

00:40:12.520 Well, no shit, they didn't have the wheel. 0.99

00:40:13.840 Why would they have the wheel? 0.99

00:40:15.140 The wheel shows up in the archaeological record in conjunction with its use with pack animals, with large megafauna.

00:40:22.820 Why would the Aztecs do it when the Aztecs don't have large megafauna?

00:40:27.640 Because somehow all the megafauna in North America died over the course of 3,000 years in this massive extinction event that is not explained.

00:40:35.180 It used to be explained by Clovis first, because relatively advanced humans come in, and, you know, 13,000 years ago, and then this, and then this extinction starts where, oh, it makes sense.

00:40:46.180 They hunted down all these animals, they came in with, you know, late Pleistocene technology, they were more advanced, um, and these animals did not have a chance of evolving over tens of thousands in Africa, hundreds of thousands, millions of years of evolution to evolve alongside animals.

00:41:02.940 So it made sense then, but Clovis first is dead.

00:41:05.680 Clovis first is not a thing.

00:41:07.060 Everyone agrees on that now.

00:41:08.560 So then why did the megafauna extinction happen?

00:41:10.880 That's a separate topic.

00:41:11.980 Doesn't matter for right now.

00:41:13.140 What does matter is that the wheel means nothing to a people like the Aztecs if they don't have pack animals, if they don't have megafauna to pull these things.

00:41:22.080 And when you look at the Bantu expansion, where they're using the wheel, when you look at the Yamnaya expansion, where they're using the wheel, they're using it in conjunction with large pack animals, and you find that a lot of Native Americans in the Western Hemisphere did understand the wheel, because they have it in their toys. 0.90

00:41:41.160 They understand the wheel.

00:41:42.940 They have toys that children use.

00:41:45.080 So they know, we know that they use the wheel, but they didn't, it doesn't mean that they're not advanced, because they didn't use a larger version of the wheel.

00:41:56.580 But it does make sense when you consider that they don't have the other things associated with this technology.

00:42:01.540 And then you look at the Incas, they're up in the mountains, they're in a specific environment, they have specific ways of looking at their environment.

00:42:11.840 Why would they use the wheel when they are, you know, it's up and down, the wheel doesn't help them.

00:42:17.700 They have llamas, they could have used those to pull the wheel. 0.83

00:42:20.700 Aztecs and Mayans don't have llamas, but no one's going to argue that the Aztecs and the Incas, or the Aztecs, the Incas, the Mayans were not advanced.

00:42:28.200 They were advanced people.

00:42:29.200 They had cities that had a population that was rivaling, if not surpassing, the density of European, Asian, and African cities.

00:42:40.320 And it surpasses them in certain ways, likely because they don't have pack animals in there.

00:42:47.860 So they're using humans to move these things.

00:42:49.620 And in the Incas, they're using skids to pull things with humans. 0.98

00:42:54.380 So all of that was a long way of getting to the point that there is not a single trajectory to human culture.

00:43:01.860 There just isn't.

00:43:02.540 Everyone agrees on that.

00:43:03.440 But then when you move past that, and you understand that maybe a culture where they, we look at the basics of a certain thing.

00:43:13.440 And one of the things that's very, very dirty for modern archaeology is this idea of moving things with sound waves.

00:43:19.500 But you also know that, and I'm not saying I believe in all this stuff about sound waves, but what I do believe is that we understand certain things.

00:43:30.040 We understand that at a certain pitch, you can break a glass, a wine glass or something with the pitch.

00:43:36.760 So we understand there's something going on there, and there's some sort of movement, vibrations that can happen.

00:43:42.140 So the idea, the hypothesis that a culture that concentrates on something different, they don't concentrate on wheels, they don't concentrate on metallurgy.

00:43:53.680 They have other values and other ways of interacting with their environment that might just be random, or they might be based on the environment.

00:44:01.440 It doesn't matter.

00:44:02.700 But we know that there are things that we don't understand.

00:44:06.240 And just because we don't understand it doesn't mean that it's not possible.

00:44:09.700 So there's plenty of ways to think about how they may have honed this technology over many, many years.

00:44:21.640 And there's a lot of hubris, and I would say Eurocentrism, in the idea that these people wouldn't have been advanced in ways that we are not,

00:44:33.080 and understood things that we do not understand, even if they weren't advanced in other ways.

00:44:38.560 They don't need to be Mayans or Incas or Aztecs and be advanced even by the metrics of modern archaeology to understand that they could have known something else.

00:44:49.960 They could have, you know, you could be a tribe, and you could be better at something more than modern technology.

00:44:59.500 You could understand something better if you hone that thing.

00:45:02.100 And there's an extraordinary amount of hubris in that.

00:45:04.180 Did I answer your question?

00:45:05.060 Well, I mean, yes, and it's birthed a lot more questions.

00:45:09.700 But I do think that I personally, you know, being obviously in the outside of this field, having no, you know, data to back any of my nonsense,

00:45:18.920 really enjoy the idea of an intervention of some sort.

00:45:23.840 You know, and what I mean by that is oftentimes, you know, we're talking about agriculture or metallurgy.

00:45:29.060 And on this show, we talk a lot about how various ancient civilizations will attribute.

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00:46:04.040 Those, the finding of that knowledge to a deity of some sort.

00:46:11.440 And a lot of people say that it's more of an allegory, you know, that these various deities represent different things,

00:46:18.620 but they're not actual physical deities.

00:46:20.480 But what I find interesting is this separation that you seemingly have from one ancient culture to another.

00:46:29.100 And what I mean by that is like in modern day, for example, you can find uncontacted tribes who will seemingly,

00:46:34.020 actually have accomplished not much of anything.

00:46:36.560 They are content as hunter-gatherers, and they have no drive to do things that the Mayans or the Aztecs were seemingly called to do. 0.76

00:46:46.100 And I just wonder what you think that mechanism is.

00:46:48.400 I mean, is it a matter of resources?

00:46:51.340 In other words, like the fauna that's available to pull the tools that you need to do these things, the quarries and whether or not they're available to draw the stones from, different things of that nature?

00:47:01.920 Or is there something else at play that we're missing?

00:47:04.460 Because it seems that some cultures were called to build things that are otherwise impractical.

00:47:10.840 And I know that we, as a modern civilization, will do that.

00:47:13.860 There's nothing that says that we need to build the Empire State Building, right?

00:47:17.680 We don't have to build one of the tallest buildings in the world.

00:47:21.000 We don't have to build these cities.

00:47:22.460 But there is something in the West, in modern civilization, in our culture, that calls some of us to build something that is awe-inspiring.

00:47:32.800 And so I'm not discounting that there's just a human drive in some to do this sort of a thing.

00:47:39.900 But it is fascinating to me that in 2024, you can still find tribes that go, no, we're totally fine. 0.91

00:47:45.860 We don't need to do any of that.

00:47:47.320 We're content with the lifestyle that we have.

00:47:49.580 Or is the argument they're not content.

00:47:51.080 They simply lack the resources.

00:47:53.680 Yeah.

00:47:53.920 So there's a number of things in there.

00:47:55.920 Number one, there aren't really uncontacted tribes.

00:48:00.160 It's a misnomer.

00:48:01.700 And that is actually perfect for the point that I want to make.

00:48:05.740 Because, you know, when we talk about uncontacted tribes, the two places that I think people think about and talk about the most are North Sentinel Island and some deep tribes in the Amazon.

00:48:19.940 And this is perfect because it lets me bring up indigenous issues, which is something that I'm very passionate about.

00:48:26.600 So North Sentinel Island, people call them uncontacted.

00:48:30.060 It's just not true.

00:48:32.360 It's an oversimplification.

00:48:34.460 They are choosing not to be contacted.

00:48:37.360 There are pictures that you can find with a Google search.

00:48:40.160 And I'm not, you know, this is a common idea.

00:48:42.020 So I'm not like, I'm not like, you know, crapping on you for saying that.

00:48:45.160 But there are pictures of archaeologists decades ago on North Sentinel Island.

00:48:51.080 You can find them of them contacting North Sentinel Island and the Sentinelese that live there.

00:48:57.260 And the idea that they are uncontacted, I don't know where it came from.

00:49:03.880 I don't know why it's perpetuated, but they're not.

00:49:07.200 They're choosing not to be contacted.

00:49:09.400 They were contacted.

00:49:10.380 Some issues.

00:49:12.100 Shout out Lord Miles.

00:49:13.340 Absolutely.

00:49:14.200 I have told Lord Miles personally, do not go to North Sentinel Island, not because of yourself, but for them.

00:49:20.660 I've told him myself.

00:49:22.720 And I love Lord Miles, but I fully don't agree with him there.

00:49:26.660 And, you know, he's a little bit more, I don't think I'm misrepresenting him by saying chauvinistic.

00:49:32.780 That's not a value judgment.

00:49:34.100 That's just, you know, me trying to describe what he does.

00:49:36.940 I like the guy a lot.

00:49:40.240 They're choosing not to be contacted.

00:49:42.540 And that is a difference in values, and it's based on their own experience.

00:49:48.500 If you go to the Amazon, there are also not really uncontacted tribes, unless they're really somewhere where we don't know.

00:49:55.580 But even if there are those people that are possibly uncontacted by modern society, they will have contact with other indigenous tribes that are more of, you know, it's not a binary.

00:50:11.000 It's a spectrum.

00:50:11.580 You'll find if you go into Papua New Guinea, which is a cultural anthropologist paradise because of the diversity there of culture, language, and subsistence strategy, you'll find people wearing, you know, an eagle's jersey or something living in otherwise traditional methods.

00:50:31.120 And those people may have contact with tribes that are living in completely, completely, you know, traditional methods who are, you know, not in contact.

00:50:44.020 So there's a line of contact.

00:50:45.620 There's a spectrum of indigenous people and what they're doing.

00:50:51.040 And there's even, like, there's tribes people that are living in the Amazon and on New Guinea where they will go to the modern city, which is a modern city in one of these countries, Brazil, Ecuador, Venezuela, Papua New Guinea, Indonesia for the other half of New Guinea, who will live six months out of the year in a traditional village living in mostly traditional methods.

00:51:16.340 And then six months out of the year, they're in the city and they're living with modern people.

00:51:21.700 It's a spectrum of subsistence.

00:51:26.040 It's a spectrum of indigeneity in the modern term, which is much more related to subsistence strategy.

00:51:31.700 And this is a book, Dawn of Everything, by the late David Graeber and David Wengro.

00:51:37.520 And this is a big anthropology book, similar to Yuval Noah Harari's book, which I know he's a WEF shill.

00:51:49.000 I didn't know that when I read all of his books 10 years ago.

00:51:51.540 But in that book, and I recommend everyone read this, the guy's a leftist.

00:51:58.800 It's fine.

00:51:59.420 I love to read all, or the guy was a leftist.

00:52:01.700 I love to read all sorts of different varying opinions.

00:52:04.080 And there's a lot of stuff in there about North American tribes choosing not to live within modern society, choosing not to, and having, in fact, cultural rules, cultural customs that prevent them from settling down because they don't want to settle down.

00:52:23.920 And whether that's because maybe in the past they were settled down, and then something bad happened, and then there were cultural ideas that were imbued into the culture to make them not want to do that, or whether they just were never settled down in a certain way.

00:52:42.880 It could be one or the other, or it could be both.

00:52:46.300 You know, there's things like the Mississippian culture that collapses. 0.95

00:52:49.200 The Mississippian culture is very broad, but you have, like, Cahokia, which is abandoned around 1350, the time of the Little Ice Age prior to European colonization.

00:52:58.480 And so there were settled people living in cities in North America, and then a lot of those people became hunter-gatherers.

00:53:08.480 I've got to organize my thoughts in my head here for a second.

00:53:11.420 So there are choices to be made here.

00:53:16.480 There are – there's nothing inherently good or inherently attractive to human beings about creating massive cities.

00:53:26.560 In fact, there's lots of reasons to not want to do that.

00:53:29.280 And this is even covered in Yuval Noah Harari's book.

00:53:32.720 I forget the name of it, but it's the one about history.

00:53:35.600 And the one about history as opposed to the current era or the future, which he's also written.

00:53:40.700 All right, up for Decker, and then I'll continue.

00:53:46.460 So in that book, he talks about this archaeology of looking at how nutrition actually goes down for the majority of the population when they begin being settled.

00:54:00.060 But unfortunately, what also happens is that the people who decide to settle for whatever reason – you know, it could be aliens, it could be Nephilim, it could be just human beings, that's it – they decide to settle down.

00:54:14.500 That society, they get stuck.

00:54:17.300 There's no way going back from there.

00:54:19.000 You can't go back from that.

00:54:20.760 It exists, and it happens, and there's no way to get rid of that Leviathan.

00:54:25.780 It just doesn't go away.

00:54:27.320 Okay, they will have a larger density of population.

00:54:32.500 They will have – as opposed to hunter-gatherers, they have a larger density of population, and they're able to expand from there.

00:54:41.600 And over time, they just conquer everything.

00:54:44.040 And there's a slow march towards that.

00:54:46.640 Because the hunter-gatherers, they're just going to leave the land. 0.96

00:54:48.940 Because if you're already semi-nomad, you're not going to, in some Vercingetorix-like resistance, have all of your people slaughtered because you're not settled.

00:55:00.100 There's no reason to do that.

00:55:01.480 So you're just going to keep leaving.

00:55:03.020 You're going to find a new place to live because that's preferable to having all of your people slaughtered. 1.00

00:55:06.780 But over time, that's going to just – the settled people are going to win.

00:55:13.040 And I had another point, but I forgot what it was.

00:55:17.420 Well, I do have just an interesting point to make about this, which is – I mean, I – and I'll let you answer this, but I want to finish this line of thought.

00:55:27.500 But the question that you could answer when I'm done is the practice of sacrifice, which is something that is seemingly consistent with the human experience for as far back as we can look.

00:55:42.720 Is it prevalent in tribes that display what you just described, which is the unwillingness to settle down and to be nomadic and to continue moving on?

00:55:53.680 Is the practice of human sacrifice prevalent within those tribes as it is?

00:56:01.080 And I can understand how the scale would be dialed up dramatically once you have a tribe that settles in one location because it just seems that along with these megalithic structures also comes the notion of mass human sacrifice, right?

00:56:15.220 With this idea that the Aztecs were engaging in that, that the Mayans were engaging in that.

00:56:19.780 You know, my knowledge on this is peripheral, but a quick Google search will tell you that the Inca also engaged in that and that they seemingly did it a lot more with women and children, or at least that's what the Google results told me.

00:56:32.760 And I just wonder, is that something that flourishes and becomes a centerpiece to a culture that builds the way that these cultures do?

00:56:43.080 Or is that something that is also common within nomadic tribes that just becomes of a much larger scale, just like their civilization does when they decide to stay put?

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00:57:22.760 Yeah, so, yes, it's also common in nomadic hunter-gatherers. It is.

00:57:31.560 And I think, like, you know, there's all these stories about ritualistic cannibalism, is what I'll say, for these.

00:57:42.100 And I'm very specific, ritualistic cannibalism.

00:57:44.800 There's, like, the law of the sea, right, which is this idea of sailors.

00:57:49.560 Sailors, there is ritual and there is custom towards what you do and how you choose who gets eaten if you don't have any food so the rest can survive.

00:58:00.360 That's a separate thing.

00:58:01.420 That's a completely different thing.

00:58:02.460 It's about subsistence.

00:58:04.160 Ritualistic cannibalism is not for that.

00:58:08.020 Ritualistic cannibalism, which you find in many different places.

00:58:11.360 And, like, you know, on New Guinea, there are probably still some people who practice it a lot less.

00:58:17.540 You can find this in Yoruba, which is in West Africa.

00:58:21.020 And it also gets exported and synchronized with Catholicism in Santeria and in the Haitian religion.

00:58:34.300 Yeah, Santeria.

00:58:35.120 You're Puerto Rican, right? 0.99

00:58:37.720 It's disgusting. 1.00

00:58:39.100 No, it's true. 0.88

00:58:39.640 Yeah, that's what they do.

00:58:41.220 Yeah.

00:58:41.240 Yeah.

00:58:41.560 And we've talked about that before.

00:58:42.920 It's not even really – I wouldn't call that an accurate representation of Catholicism as much as it is kind of a way of masking and ensuring that your original belief system survived.

00:58:55.360 And so you adapted it to Catholicism so that it wouldn't be persecuted.

00:58:58.840 Right, right, right, right.

00:58:59.860 And this happens all over the world.

00:59:01.300 I mean there was – if you go to the 1500s, you find a Cornish rebellion against Protestantism because explicitly the Protestantism was trying to remove the Catholicism.

00:59:18.940 And the Catholicism was what was protecting these ancient beliefs of the Celtic people in Cornwall as well as in Ireland, the same thing.

00:59:27.940 And there's a resistance towards this Protestantism.

00:59:30.340 And they understood this.

00:59:31.680 The people understood this at the time, that their ancient beliefs were preserved within Catholicism.

00:59:36.280 And so Santeria and on Haiti – I'm forgetting what it's called, but these are –

00:59:40.820 Voodoo? 0.85

00:59:42.000 Yes, yes.

00:59:43.460 It's voodoo or – 0.96

00:59:46.100 Voodoo or hoodoo. 0.99

00:59:47.460 I don't even really know what the difference is there, but it's just an H or a V.

00:59:51.640 Right, right.

00:59:52.840 It's just different pronunciations of it as well.

00:59:56.720 It's a syncretic religion as well as a syncretic understanding of it.

01:00:00.020 And there is human sacrifice in this.

01:00:02.520 And there's a lot more diversity when you're talking about – of language, of culture in – so like on New Guinea, this behind me, this thing, this shield.

01:00:12.980 This is an asthmat shield made by the asthmat people of Western Papua, which is administered by Indonesia.

01:00:20.300 But the people are not Indonesian who are in – they're not Austronesian.

01:00:25.940 They're related to Austronesians if they're not Austronesian.

01:00:29.260 But they're Melanesian on Western Papua.

01:00:32.200 The asthmat people were traditionally ritualistic cannibals, and they did sacrifice humans. 1.00

01:00:38.740 And they did eat humans.

01:00:40.100 And this was coming back to this idea of mana, mana tau, of energy, of animism.

01:00:48.100 This is not to force subsistence.

01:00:51.640 This is to consume the energy of the person they're eating, whether it's a war captive or whether it's their own people for some reason.

01:01:00.020 It is to consume their life force, their energy.

01:01:04.600 And this is extraordinarily common on different places.

01:01:08.700 And we don't know how much is true of what the Romans wrote about the Celts or how much is propaganda.

01:01:16.880 But it makes sense within other peoples of similar subsistence that they would have been practicing something like this.

01:01:23.900 And they, in fact, say that they did practice something like this.

01:01:26.940 I think that actually probably holds a lot of water because, in my opinion, the fae lore, the Celtic lore, and their deities, they line up really well with the deities of other cultures that, in my opinion, would have been the same thing as the fallen angels.

01:01:42.460 I mean, on this show, we believe that they were actual entities, still are actual entities, and were just sort of placing themselves as kings over various cultures.

01:01:53.380 And so, yeah, it's my understanding of the Celtics.

01:01:57.120 I mean, there was even a movie recently.

01:01:58.440 We've discussed it on the show, but there's a movie called Watchers.

01:02:02.640 And what it ends up being is they are, you know, spoiler alert, but they're trapped in the forest with these entities that are later exposed to be the fae of the Celtic mythology.

01:02:15.060 And the ways in which they mirror the watchers or the fallen from the Bible, they're directly parallel.

01:02:22.860 And so if you start doing a deep dive in that, you realize, oh, yeah, once again, you have another precedent of not only these entities being so similar in nature, but also that they seem to demand from their people some form of human sacrifice.

01:02:37.180 It's just a tale as old as time that repeats itself throughout history.

01:02:40.500 Right.

01:02:40.880 And you have in Catholicism and Christianity in general, and I was talking to David Gornowski recently about this, who's a great guy, absolutely incredible information from that dude.

01:02:52.740 And he was speaking about this idea of what Jesus says to Peter or Paul, get behind me, Satan.

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01:03:30.920 Right.

01:03:31.580 And why would you want Satan behind you?

01:03:34.260 And this and what he was speaking about, his opinion, which I think is a, if not the truth, it's a very, very good argument, is that when we talk about what Satan is, when we talk about the crusades that happened, not the crusades against Islam, but the much more numerous and common crusades against, for lack of a better term, paganism within Europe itself,

01:04:02.800 most notably in the Baltic region.

01:04:03.800 Most notably in the Baltic region of what's now Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and the surrounding area, you know, those are the last ones to get conquered.

01:04:14.420 And we're talking about much earlier here with Get Behind Me, Satan.

01:04:19.320 There are ways of retaining the ritual significance of sacrifice in general, not just human sacrifice, but in this case, yes, human sacrifice within Catholicism, within Christianity.

01:04:34.100 For a long time, Catholicism was Christianity.

01:04:36.040 So it's Catholicism, but in modern terms, it's Christianity.

01:04:40.240 So when you take the, oh gosh, when you take communion, you eat symbolically the body and you drink symbolically the blood of Christ.

01:04:54.480 Get Behind Me, Satan, Get Behind Me, these ideas of the past, of eating people.

01:05:01.620 We don't have to eat people.

01:05:02.660 We're going to eat a symbol of this.

01:05:04.600 We're going to keep this idea in our, we're going to keep this tradition alive without having to sacrifice people.

01:05:13.760 And there's many cases of this.

01:05:15.900 And, you know, I'd say that's probably better, but I'm saying that's better from a Western perspective.

01:05:23.060 As an American, I'm saying that's better, that we, that's my understanding.

01:05:27.480 But many people would, many people of the past and in certain places today, very few places today, would argue that, no, it's fine.

01:05:35.440 You have to consume the actual life force of the person.

01:05:38.000 You have to get your Kuru brain worms or whatever. 0.58

01:05:42.040 Well, I think what that actually suggests, and it makes a pretty strong argument, that this realm that we inhabit, the ways in which you win, whatever that means, is through sacrifice.

01:05:54.640 And what's, what's fascinating about Christianity is that it seems to be the only one where the head deity sacrificed himself for his followers or for everyone, really, for humankind.

01:06:07.820 But also, in order so that, sorry to interrupt you, but in order so that nobody else has to.

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01:07:33.640 Yes.

01:07:34.240 He already did it.

01:07:35.160 You don't have to.

01:07:36.160 There still is an element of sacrifice that's asked of you, but it's to sacrifice your urge to sin.

01:07:41.480 You know, sacrifice these worldly things that call to you your urge to drug use or your urge to hurt your neighbor or any of these things that would be coincidentally corrosive and detrimental to a culture and a society.

01:07:57.420 You're asked to sacrifice those things.

01:08:00.000 So it is an interesting thing.

01:08:01.140 There's a sacrifice aspect in the sense that Jesus Christ died for our sins so that we no longer had to sacrifice, but there still is.

01:08:08.820 It's no longer a flesh and blood sacrifice, but a sacrifice of your urge to sin that is being asked of you, which I think is very interesting because –

01:08:16.700 But it's just interesting because that sentiment echoes true.

01:08:21.340 It's just a pivot.

01:08:22.540 It's an inversion of it.

01:08:24.940 We've got to have Dave Gornoski on.

01:08:26.420 He's a friend for a minute, probably longer than I even know you.

01:08:29.200 But, yeah, wow, I never thought about that idea of communion.

01:08:34.600 Of it's literally cannibalism, but it's symbolic cannibalism.

01:08:39.600 And then, I mean, we just did an episode.

01:08:40.980 We got removed from YouTube for talking about a certain something chrome where it's basically cannibalism, but, I mean, more of just a blunt.

01:08:53.140 Yeah.

01:08:53.540 There's some properties here, man.

01:08:54.520 You know, when I think about that word that we're not allowed to say, the idea of that practice, I don't know if that's happening or not.

01:09:00.600 But what I do know is that if it is happening, it's completely in line with the history of humanity.

01:09:06.880 It's not something like, you know, somebody would argue against that and be like, oh, this doesn't – this is ridiculous.

01:09:12.240 This doesn't make any sense.

01:09:13.680 Why would they do this? 0.98

01:09:14.600 It's like, no, it makes perfect sense because we have examples of it on every single continent in world history, and anybody who argues against that is ignorant.

01:09:22.820 Whether or not it is happening is another topic of conversation, but it's 100% feasible that somebody is doing that because that's consuming the life force of somebody.

01:09:31.480 I would love to see you guys talk to David Gornoski.

01:09:35.480 We are – actually, this Friday and Saturday, we have somebody doing a presentation on that specific compound that's in your blood and released when you're in a high state of fear, and then you could smoke someone's pineal gland in order to get it or drink it, whatever.

01:09:50.240 I don't know.

01:09:50.620 We're going to find out about it.

01:09:51.900 But there is something to it.

01:09:53.700 If they were doing this before, I think it's just naive for us.

01:09:57.100 I mean, I would say mainstream academics would look at these people and say this is an antiquated way of doing things and these people are backwards, but if they were doing it for this long, there has to be some kind of benefit to it.

01:10:08.320 It's not –

01:10:08.940 That's it, right?

01:10:09.640 It's nothing new is under the sun.

01:10:11.540 Nothing new under the sun, and they're doing the same thing.

01:10:13.760 I don't want to get into it, but even these emails that are leaked, the names of these deities are the same names that have been there since the beginning of time.

01:10:22.060 It's – I would – if you put a gun to my head and said make a bet, my money is all in on – it's still happening.

01:10:28.640 We're still doing these blood sacrifices.

01:10:30.380 I was just talking to my dad.

01:10:31.520 I had like a long car ride with him, and I was like, what do you think abortion clinics are, dad? 0.99

01:10:35.060 These are just mass sacrifices across the United States, and like we're surprised why this world is garbage. 0.97

01:10:40.620 Right, right, right. 0.99

01:10:42.220 And go ahead.

01:10:43.320 When we're talking about ancient practices like this, and I'm not – not just sacrifice, but any sort of ancient practices, for the most of human history, you know, people are living in the same environment, in perpetuity, in harmony.

01:10:59.220 And when I say harmony, I don't mean that it's peaceful.

01:11:01.180 I mean that they're living in a sustainable way and not sustainable in the modern way of like, you know, of –

01:11:11.980 They've gone green.

01:11:13.700 Right.

01:11:14.180 Not going green, but being – having a sustainable culture that you live the same way that your grandfather did, that your great-grandfather did, that your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather did.

01:11:25.740 But you're living in a way where you interact with the land in a way that there doesn't need to be an advance of technology, an advance of methods.

01:11:38.120 You're just doing the same thing, and you're – there's this cycle to it, and I'm sure you guys understand exactly what I'm talking about.

01:11:45.660 There's this cycle to it.

01:11:46.740 There is a cycle to it where you're just continuing to do the same thing over and over, and you're appreciative of everything.

01:11:56.440 There are rituals in all these cultures associated with when you're killing an animal and having respect for that deer or for that antelope, whatever it is.

01:12:07.480 These show up not just in North American Native Americans.

01:12:10.000 Most of our examples come from that because that's where we live, and those people were living in North America in this way when Europeans came, many of them, not all of them, but many of them.

01:12:22.900 But even past that, even past the level of hunter-gatherers, all of these ways that people interact with their environment.

01:12:30.820 When you talk about something like the Mediterranean diet and you talk about ancient Chinese medicine and different ways of healing people, what they often find is that there are properties associated with those diets, with these seasonal diets, that over time, as these diets are created, what people are eating naturally, or really not naturally,

01:12:59.200 but through human selection without an understanding, without an understanding of a scientific understanding.

01:13:05.900 They don't need to go to a lab and test and prove.

01:13:08.800 They just know that this herb treats a certain thing, and it doesn't always work, but neither does modern medicine, and neither does modern food.

01:13:15.860 Modern food does a worse job of it, no matter what Michelle Obama tells you. 0.98

01:13:19.160 And these diets, regardless of if we understand it or not, these were created through tradition over time, like the comment said, to solve these problems.

01:13:29.760 And there are scientific methods today that prove that they do that, that prove that a lot of these methods absolutely worked, even without the explicit understanding scientifically through our modern understanding of why they worked, why these diets are...

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01:14:19.600 ...are feeding all of our nutritional needs, and in very diverse ways.

01:14:24.780 If you go to the Inuit, the Inuit are eating almost an entirely meat diet in certain cases, but they're getting all of their nutrition anyway because they're eating these fatty animals that provide the nutrients in different parts of the animals.

01:14:39.940 You know, the liver, the eyes, they give different nutritional needs.

01:14:46.480 And over time, the diet that people are eating naturally meets their nutritional needs.

01:14:52.200 So you don't have to have an explicit understanding. 0.92

01:14:54.780 And for most of human history, when people were far healthier than they were today by any metric, even by modern standards, they were able to do it better than the fucking food pyramid. 0.98

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01:15:11.660 Right. 1.00

01:15:12.500 Right.

01:15:12.800 I'd like to pull this conversation a little bit of a different direction, and I completely understand if your studies haven't really bought you to this topic.

01:15:21.980 But I would like to get your opinions on—it seems that so many ancient cultures have mythology that involves giants.

01:15:33.160 And to this day, we talked about it a little bit earlier when it came to the Peruvians and their megalithic structures.

01:15:40.900 But even today, you have these whispers, and you can find articles of people claiming to have dug up giant skeletons that are then whisked away by the Smithsonian, never to be seen again, never put on display.

01:15:54.940 But there is no shortage of these anecdotal stories.

01:15:59.440 Certainly, there are questionable sightings now and again of some gigantic humanoid.

01:16:07.160 I know a lot of them became popular over the past year, I remember specifically. 0.92

01:16:11.560 Even one in particular that was streamed on TikTok by a guy who seemingly realized he stepped in shit when he recorded that and allegedly got on the Fed's radar. 0.96

01:16:25.080 And shortly after this saga that unfolded on Twitter of this guy freaking out publicly that he recorded something and then suddenly was being visited by black SUVs, the guy dies. 0.97

01:16:34.660 And, you know, you could say whatever you want about that.

01:16:36.460 He is dead.

01:16:37.440 Could be completely unrelated.

01:16:38.780 But culturally speaking, in the West, it seems to be part of our – what would you call it?

01:16:46.480 I guess our mythos, you know, in a lot of ways, this idea that giants existed.

01:16:51.640 And certainly on our show, it's something that we think there is a tremendous amount of validity to.

01:16:58.460 But I imagine that as somebody like yourself who is spending all this time looking into ancient cultures that build megalithic sites

01:17:05.860 and knowing that that element of gigantic humanoids permeates multiple cultures throughout time,

01:17:12.820 I want to imagine that it's come across your table more than once.

01:17:16.960 And I'd love to get your opinions on whether or not there's room in this discussion for giants having existed at all.

01:17:24.280 So, I mean, there's room for it.

01:17:26.560 I can't say for certain, you know, like I said, I work mostly within academic literature.

01:17:35.320 And I'll speculate outside of it.

01:17:37.220 But I also, you know, I can't make any – with what I do, I can't make any – what's the word?

01:17:48.040 Like, completely lost on me what word I'm searching for.

01:17:55.600 But, like, I can't – definitive.

01:17:57.900 I can't make a definitive statement on it.

01:17:59.700 But what I do know is that there is something to it.

01:18:03.380 Graham Hancock believes – he believes, he's talked about this a number of times, that these are metaphorical giants.

01:18:09.720 There's also validity to that.

01:18:11.220 I don't know.

01:18:11.940 I don't – because whoever wrote those stories down, they were working in such a different mindset than us.

01:18:21.480 Such a different mindset.

01:18:23.700 That you don't know what they meant because you can't get inside their head.

01:18:28.060 You can try, but you're never going to get it 100% right.

01:18:31.560 So, there's room for it absolutely being literally true.

01:18:34.780 And I won't dismiss that outright.

01:18:36.420 But I also, you know, can't say that it's definitely true.

01:18:40.460 And I don't really – I don't want to.

01:18:42.960 But I don't know.

01:18:44.680 I just don't know is the answer, essentially.

01:18:48.820 And modern academia doesn't like to say I don't know.

01:18:51.340 They like to form, you know, some sort of understanding, which then gets written as fact into textbooks, which is not good.

01:18:58.600 But I don't – I just don't know.

01:19:03.440 Let me ask you something.

01:19:04.720 One of the things that has bothered me for a while is this – the idea that the Boneyard Alaska, you aware of that guy?

01:19:11.520 Dude, that's so funny.

01:19:12.640 But someone in my Discord just brought that up yesterday.

01:19:15.840 Okay.

01:19:16.420 I'm aware of it, yeah.

01:19:17.340 Yeah, it's one of these things.

01:19:19.880 I saw that episode a long time ago, and then I started doing some deep dives into it.

01:19:24.060 And it seems like in the area of like a five-square-acre property – I mean, this guy has hundreds of acres where he's doing gold mining.

01:19:33.160 But in this small, like, square acre, five acres, he's able to melt down the permafrost there and just continually find bones, giant bones of what he's describing as mammoth.

01:19:47.420 And he's also – I don't know.

01:19:48.960 In the episode, he kind of alludes to like, well, if we found any human remains, then the government would have access to the property.

01:19:54.880 So we haven't found that.

01:19:57.180 And he's like a wink and a nod to Joe.

01:19:59.620 And then he just continues to talk about that.

01:20:01.520 And we just keep going down and down.

01:20:04.060 What the hell is that?

01:20:05.780 And what's your opinion on it?

01:20:07.480 What happened there?

01:20:08.200 Because why – like, let's just say it was mammoths.

01:20:11.820 And I'm not saying anything about giants or anything.

01:20:14.240 All of these megafauna came to this one area and died on top of one another.

01:20:21.740 What do you mean?

01:20:24.180 Yeah.

01:20:24.780 Yeah.

01:20:25.220 It's – so I don't know whether that guy has found human remains.

01:20:28.320 He seems to imply he has.

01:20:29.640 And it's true that the government would have access to it.

01:20:32.880 And the reason for that is something called NAGPRA, which is the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act.

01:20:42.040 And I actually did a lot of work on this, on NAGPRA itself, which is a good law.

01:20:47.020 NAGPRA itself had a good intention behind it.

01:20:49.500 It might have had some nefarious purpose behind it, but there was a lot of grave robbing going on, a lot of grave robbing specifically of Native American goods, which is disgusting, Native American grave goods and of bodies.

01:21:00.640 There's even a rumor that George W. Bush's grandfather or great-grandfather stole the skull of Geronimo, which would be – in Geronimo, if you don't know, was one of the most famous Native American war leaders.

01:21:15.060 And a lot of mana, a lot of manatow, a lot of power, a lot of energy in that skull based on who that man is.

01:21:22.720 And there's lots of reasons to believe that the elites in our country and in the Western world in general do believe in these spiritual things.

01:21:32.400 You know, you can find the public footage that Alex Jones got in the early 2000s, and I'm sure you guys have seen this,

01:21:40.360 of them taking videos of the elites worshiping ancient owl gods, Moloch and Baal, that are associated with human sacrifice.

01:21:51.620 And the symbology in that is obvious.

01:21:55.160 So, yeah, Bohemian Grove, exactly.

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01:22:05.180 Please continue.

01:22:05.840 Right, so there – when – I forgot what I was talking about.

01:22:14.060 I'm sorry.

01:22:14.400 I'm very easily distracted.

01:22:15.880 My brain is just all over the place.

01:22:17.780 ADHD is my superpower.

01:22:19.540 You went from the idea of like skulls, mana.

01:22:21.360 You were talking about that government program, NAGMA.

01:22:23.480 Right, NAGPRA.

01:22:24.340 NAGPRA, thank you.

01:22:26.000 The thing is that NAGPRA – and this is something that I think these recent changes,

01:22:33.080 which were put in place in 2023 – well, they were put in place, I think, in early 2024, maybe late 2023 –

01:22:39.500 they greatly expanded NAGPRA.

01:22:41.720 And look, I've done entire episodes with multiple people, namely the good old boys, about NAGPRA. 0.94

01:22:49.140 And I've spoken about this on Jimmy Corsetti's channel as well.

01:22:54.220 NAGPRA was expanded through the administrative bureaucracy to include much more than it was originally intended to.

01:23:02.560 Rather than being a combination of scientists and indigenous tribes and people weighing the evidence,

01:23:11.420 now the indigenous representatives are the ones who have final say above all else. 1.00

01:23:16.920 There's no standards of the amount of time that they get – that they have to decide.

01:23:22.320 And it includes not only Native American remains and their associated grave goods, 0.78

01:23:29.540 but also any Native American cultural objects, anything associated with Native Americans,

01:23:37.000 and their display in any federal museums.

01:23:40.820 They have to be approved by a Native American representative.

01:23:43.500 And who are those Native American representatives?

01:23:45.080 Because it's not like you just go around and you pick a dude who's, you know, 164th Cherokee.

01:23:51.400 You go to the federally recognized, through the standards of the federal government.

01:23:58.560 And the federal government, the people who decide that, that's the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

01:24:04.260 The Bureau of Indian Affairs are the people who get to decide who these Native American representatives are,

01:24:10.740 and they are the patrons, they are the clients to the Native Americans.

01:24:17.060 They're federally recognized through the standards of the West, through the standards of the United States.

01:24:21.360 They're the representatives who they almost report they are patronized by the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

01:24:30.820 And what's the Bureau of Indian Affairs?

01:24:32.620 It's part of the Department of the Interior.

01:24:33.900 The Department of the Interior, the department head of the Department of the Interior,

01:24:39.460 is the one who instituted these changes into NAGPRA, an appointed position, in this case, by the Biden administration.

01:24:47.880 So the Department of the Interior instituted these rule changes,

01:24:52.180 which gave the Bureau of Indian Affairs the right, who is also an appointed position,

01:24:57.360 to decide what is a Native American grave good, what is a Native American cultural object,

01:25:02.700 and they get to decide what these rules are and who decides.

01:25:07.660 And that goes all the way to the president, who appoints the head of the Department of the Interior,

01:25:12.140 who made the rule changes, deciding that the head of, and I'm sorry if I'm confusing you here,

01:25:18.320 but the Bureau of Indian Affairs, who decides who is a valid Native American federally recognized representative,

01:25:28.540 that all goes back to President Obama.

01:25:30.240 So essentially the federal government gave themselves and their representatives the ability to give anything found in the United States,

01:25:43.600 essentially prior to 1500, complete control over the display, the excavation, the storage of these goods.

01:25:53.560 So it's now assumed that anything prior to 1492, anything prior to the European colonization, is associated with Native Americans.

01:26:02.860 So they've given themselves the ability to hide anything, officially.

01:26:07.440 You know, unofficially, they were probably already doing this, but now it's official.

01:26:10.360 And they've given themselves the ability to decide this.

01:26:14.620 And this is at a time when Clovis I is gone.

01:26:18.720 You know, Clovis I, humans didn't get here 13,000 years ago.

01:26:21.760 Some did.

01:26:22.660 There were movement of people across the Bering Strait 13,000 years ago,

01:26:26.680 but they weren't the first ones to come to North America.

01:26:29.160 There were people prior to this.

01:26:30.400 And the theory that is the heir apparent to Clovis I is the Kelp Highway hypothesis.

01:26:38.240 And the Kelp Highway hypothesis assumes that people came from the West.

01:26:41.920 And there's a lot of evidence for that.

01:26:43.380 But it also brings up the idea that people came from the East,

01:26:47.020 that people came through Greenland and through Newfoundland, what's now Greenland and Newfoundland.

01:26:51.920 It brings up that possibility.

01:26:53.700 But now that doesn't matter, even though modern archaeology is bringing up that there is a possibility that they came from the East by boats.

01:27:05.020 And there is a stated and understood hypothesis that they came via boats, which, you know, we were going to talk.

01:27:12.660 We haven't talked about it at all, which is fine.

01:27:14.420 But Flint Dibble and his theories, there's nothing stopping the federal government from taking these remains,

01:27:26.340 taking any cultural objects found in the ground, anything found in the ground that's deemed to be older than 1,500,

01:27:32.120 and in practice even past it, but we're really talking about stuff earlier than 1,500, 1,492 here,

01:27:38.740 that they can hide it.

01:27:41.940 It doesn't matter.

01:27:42.580 There's no oversight.

01:27:44.720 The Native American representatives, the people who are in these federally recognized, only federally recognized,

01:27:49.940 you could be 100% blood Native American, but if you're from a tribe that does not have federal recognition,

01:27:54.440 that means nothing legally.

01:27:56.460 You are legally not a Native American.

01:27:59.180 You just aren't.

01:27:59.580 This is just like painting the picture more of the idea of manna or animus that we're putting on not just other people

01:28:07.720 and like their skulls, but objects as well.

01:28:10.240 Like why does Donald Trump, we talk about it a lot.

01:28:12.580 Why does Donald Trump have a fake Ark of the Covenant in Mar-a-Lago?

01:28:17.840 Made of gold.

01:28:19.360 Yeah.

01:28:19.620 Hitler's looking for the spear of destiny, things like this. 0.87

01:28:21.860 It's like we understand that there's a lot of power in these objects and our government is just straight up hoarding it,

01:28:27.640 but that's actually a good, I did not know that about the administration.

01:28:31.320 So I'm going to pay attention to who is, well, assuming Trump wins, who gets that spot when Trump comes in.

01:28:39.440 If that remains the same, I think that might tell us a little bit about the underwork, the underbelly of this kind of like weird esoteric side that's going on.

01:28:47.620 Because it's not just, I don't think the government's doing this just to hide history.

01:28:51.500 I think that they're gathering themselves.

01:28:54.700 Yeah.

01:28:55.500 And I think that's, it's speculation, but I believe that's probably true as well.

01:28:59.900 And by the way, my assessment of these changes to NAGPRA is completely in line with the mainstream archaeological community.

01:29:09.360 The, the SAA, which is the organization of which Flint Dibble, John Hoops, who are names that you might not know,

01:29:18.040 but they're, they're heavily involved in this argument with, with Graham Hancock.

01:29:21.420 They, they put out a letter about why these problems are, or why these changes are bad.

01:29:28.980 And they, they are explicitly anti-scientific.

01:29:31.740 They, they, um, reduce, uh, the archaeological community, the official academic archaeological community's ability to have any say.

01:29:40.560 Um, the verbiage is still in there that the archaeological community gets a say, but that say is explicitly only after.

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01:30:20.280 The federally recognized Native American representatives get to, um, make their call on it.

01:30:27.680 Um, and, you know, this would be speculation of a quid pro quo, but because these Native American representatives are direct clients of the federal government, um, you know, who knows what could be said between a representative of the Department of the Interior, which is over the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

01:30:45.240 Um, whether there's something going on where there's like, hey, you know, say something about this, or maybe we cut your funding, maybe we cause problems for you.

01:30:55.760 You know, people call these Native American tribes sovereign, but they're not sovereign.

01:30:59.860 Sovereign means that, you know, traditionally sovereign is that the United States government is sovereign in, in theory.

01:31:07.460 They don't, they don't, uh, adhere to any, uh, super national organization.

01:31:13.460 And, you know, we, we can talk about the UN, the WEF that might have a say in the U.S. government, but in theory, they're sovereign, but both in theory and in practice, Native American tribes are not sovereign.

01:31:24.780 Everything about them is the antithesis of sovereign because they exist at the behest of and by the rules of the federal government.

01:31:33.360 Um, if the federal government decides for some reason that they don't want to give them their recognition and they want to change the way, which they're not, they're not going to do that right now.

01:31:43.260 Um, but if they were to do that, what are they going to do?

01:31:47.540 Like have another uprising?

01:31:49.600 No, no.

01:31:50.700 Just like regular people are not going to do another uprising, at least in the current environment.

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01:32:51.920 Sam, we only have you for a little bit longer, and it was really a question that I wanted to ask you.

01:32:56.040 It's been sitting on my mind since we talked earlier about the Easter Island statues or heads and how they walked over in this speculation as to like, well, for a while we accepted the idea that they may have been put on rollers.

01:33:11.380 Oftentimes we get caught up in the transportation of these stones and how we did that.

01:33:17.460 But one of the things that I think is equally as baffling is the, how would you put this, sort of the constitutional makeup of these megalithic structures when it comes to the individual stones.

01:33:29.260 Some of these places exhibit stonework that we don't understand in the way of their dimensionality.

01:33:38.560 Meaning they're, they're, they're put together so well that in some cases it said that you couldn't fit a razor blade between them.

01:33:45.960 I've seen stones that look like they were placed while they were almost in a, a, a super state of, of, you know, liquid and solid.

01:33:57.040 I forget what you would call that.

01:33:58.280 There's a terminology for that.

01:33:59.620 Casting, yeah.

01:34:00.000 Yeah, and, and, and that's really what it leads to this idea of like casting.

01:34:04.200 There are some stones that are put in such a way.

01:34:06.060 There are walls that are made that they almost look like puzzles and the way everything fits together is so unbelievable.

01:34:14.000 We don't, we certainly don't do that today.

01:34:16.060 I mean, if you look to our, um, Gothic cathedrals, those are astounding in the way that they've been developed or the way that they've been created.

01:34:23.680 Um, but these are equally as astounding and, you know, like I said, it's not something that you see done today.

01:34:31.040 So when it comes to the way these stones fit together, when it comes to your inability to fit even a razor blade between them, um, when it comes to the fact that some of these stones look like they were dropped in place while they were pliable and then settled, um, to, to mesh together perfectly.

01:34:48.180 What have you found in your studies that is at least something that's satisfying as to an answer as to how this was done?

01:34:57.540 Yeah.

01:34:57.820 So I, I, I'm sorry to disappoint you here.

01:35:00.280 I could just try to BS you, but I know a lot less.

01:35:03.120 You could lie to us on this show.

01:35:04.520 It's totally fine.

01:35:05.340 You could lie to us on the show.

01:35:06.840 There are plenty of, uh, better people to talk to about, um, the construction of those structures.

01:35:13.120 Most like my, my archeology knowledge is, is very much, uh, basic.

01:35:17.600 It's, it's, uh, in, in the sense that like a degree in anthropology is a basic understanding of anthropology and in archeological field school is a basic understanding of, uh, of doing archeology.

01:35:32.540 Um, a lot more of my knowledge with archeology is in regards to maritime archeology, which we didn't get to get into, which is fine.

01:35:40.120 But, um, I, I don't know, but I do know that there are better people to talk to for it.

01:35:45.160 And I can probably put you in contact with some of them.

01:35:46.980 Well, let me ask you this then.

01:35:48.520 What is modern archeology's take on that?

01:35:51.100 Because I would be, do they have any explanation at all?

01:35:54.420 Or is this something that they are willing to admit that they don't know?

01:35:59.080 There's very little that they are willing to admit they don't know.

01:36:02.040 And, um, I, I, I'm not familiar with what their explanation is for a lot of this stuff, but, um, they, it's my perception that they don't like to speculate.

01:36:13.300 Even if they don't understand, um, they like to just, just say, oh, they moved them somehow.

01:36:18.760 And we kind of know.

01:36:20.040 And, uh, at, at Khufu, there's, you know, diagrams about how they moved the stones and that's enough of an explanation.

01:36:26.300 We don't need to look into it more.

01:36:27.700 We're going to put it into the textbook.

01:36:29.200 They were made this way and that these are all tombs, even though, uh, a body has never been found in them.

01:36:33.880 And we'll just explain that grave robbers took them.

01:36:36.280 That's definitely what happened, even though we have no evidence of that, but that doesn't matter.

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01:37:09.460 To them.

01:37:11.500 It's incredible because just standing from the outside, looking in, I think it's become glaringly obvious to everybody who is fascinated by this subject of megalithic structures and what these ancient civilizations, how they did it, why they did it.

01:37:26.000 Um, it's very clear that really, and I don't want to be reductive.

01:37:31.940 I know that there are a lot of, um, great minds within the academic realm surrounding, uh, uh, you know, ancient architecture and things like that.

01:37:43.800 But mostly it's a lot of monopolizing the truth and, uh, and gatekeeping.

01:37:51.300 And that became glaringly obvious to me years ago when Graham Hancock first got on the Joe Rogan experience, uh, and started to highlight how, if it goes against the grain, um, academia is likely to toss you out and call you.

01:38:07.020 What was the expression that you used earlier, Sam?

01:38:09.380 Um, uh, if you're on the outsides, alternative, which is weird because it sounds so, um, you know, an alternative way of thinking.

01:38:18.300 Well, that sounds reasonable, but it's actually used more or less as a way to diminish you.

01:38:22.480 It's an insult.

01:38:23.040 Yeah.

01:38:23.180 Yeah, that's a great way of putting it.

01:38:24.740 And they often say pseudo-archaeology, which, um, which, which is used against Graham Hancock quite a bit.

01:38:30.960 They'll say that you're a pseudo-archaeologist, even though Graham Hancock has never claimed to be an archaeologist.

01:38:35.740 Right.

01:38:36.200 And this is the same thing they do within the scientific community, too.

01:38:38.600 If you should explore anything that is off the beaten path, you're a pseudo-scientist, or this is pseudo-science.

01:38:43.920 And I should say that pseudo-archaeology is not a word in the dictionary.

01:38:47.160 It is a word that archaeology made, and it is in, um, it's in dictionaries that are, uh, they're not called dictionaries.

01:38:55.920 They're called something else, but it's in, it's a term that you will not find in Merriam-Webster, but you will find it in, um, in archaeological definitions.

01:39:05.500 Every scientific field has specific definitions for their field, just like legal definitions, that, um, that these words have different, uh, understandings in different fields.

01:39:15.660 Uh, legally, they, they might mean something that's very different from the colloquial use, from the, from the standard use.

01:39:22.980 Um, so I will, uh, I, I, I put something up on the, um, on the, uh, I presented something that you might want to bring up, which is not about the actual construction themselves, but of the orientation of the, of the, uh, of the construction.

01:39:41.320 So the, these are three pyramid compounds on three continents, China, um, Egypt, which is in Africa, China, and Eurasia, and Mexico, um, to, to Tenochtitlan, and, or, or Tewatikon, Tewatikon, whatever.

01:39:57.320 Um, whatever. Can't pronounce these words. Nahuatl, whatever, whatever it is. Okay. So you look at Orion's Belt. There are two, there's more constellations that continue to show up, um, which in, in, uh, the Pleiades, I'm forgetting what the Pleiades refers to, but it might be one of these things.

01:40:13.680 But Orion's Belt, um, there's Orion's Belt, there's the Big Dipper, and if you look at Orion's Belt here, you look at the orientation, orientation of the stars of Orion's Belt, and also somewhat their size, and then you look at these three pyramid compounds of these three megalithic structures on three different continents.

01:40:33.120 It is extraordinarily strange, and, and this is where I'm not drawing any conclusions, but I'm, I'm bringing up, and this is laughed at by modern archaeology, and anything where you're just like.

01:40:44.200 Is it really? I thought this was an accepted notion. For those of you who are just listening, we're looking at these three instances of, uh, these pyramids being found at different places across the world that probably would have no contact with each other whatsoever, uh, and then the fourth image is Orion's Belt, and it honestly looks to me like you could lay all four of these images over one another, and that they would be, uh,

01:41:03.120 in alignment with each other.

01:41:04.720 Right. So the idea that these people were in contact with each other is laughed at, and the idea that there's, there's any sort of contact between them is not, it's not something that they believe is proved by archaeology.

01:41:20.940 It's not proved by their methods. Archaeology is a proper noun. Archaeology is not what should have a monopoly over the human past. It is one field, and we are in one iteration of time.

01:41:32.640 And, and their paradigm exists in 2024 in the current state. Um, I was arguing with somebody, I'm always arguing with people like this, but somebody was trying to tell me that archaeology is like math. One plus one equals two. Go fuck yourself.

01:41:46.000 One plus one equals two in outer space. It equals two in China. It equals two in the United States. It equals two in Australia. It equals two 10 million years ago. And you can prove that yourself. You can go prove this fucking theorem from these retards. 1.00

01:42:00.000 By going to anywhere in the world, and you can pick up one object, and then you can pick up a second object, and that's one plus one equals two. And comparing that to a field, that scientific whatever, that is based on fucking interpretation. 1.00

01:42:15.880 And you're trying to tell me that that's the same thing as one plus one equals two. You're completely fucking retarded. There's no other way around it. There is no way around it. 1.00

01:42:26.800 But when you look at this, maybe these people had contact. Maybe it's something deep in human consciousness. I don't fucking know.

01:42:34.500 But what I do know is when I look at these megalithic structures, I know that no matter what, all of these cultures, whether—we'll say for a moment, we'll believe there was no contact between these people. 0.98

01:42:46.480 I don't know whether there was or not. I truly don't.

01:42:48.680 But what we do know is that these megalithic structures, which however they fucking built them, which we don't know, as far as they'll claim they know, we really don't.

01:42:58.400 But they were caring about the exact same thing because they built these massive structures in this orientation, almost seemingly to the same relative size to each other, coinciding with Orion's belt. 0.88

01:43:15.680 And I don't know what the fuck that is, but at least I'm willing to say that I don't know.

01:43:19.240 You know what that gives me the feeling of, Sam? It feels like we're spending our time—and not that it's not important, 0.98

01:43:25.040 but we're spending our time digging through the dirt and looking at the minutiae when we should be looking up at something much larger.

01:43:32.720 That's what—I mean, that seems to be what they are doing, is there's a much bigger driving force.

01:43:39.240 This goes back to the question that I had earlier where we talked about the misnomer of uncontacted tribes.

01:43:44.260 But this idea that it seems that, you know, this is just—you know, the mystery of why does a civilization build a megalithic structure is not something that's easily explainable.

01:43:56.440 And there is, in my opinion—this is just me speaking—a tremendous spiritual aspect to this.

01:44:04.220 This is the—seemingly, from where I'm sitting, like I've said several times throughout this episode, this is not something that I've got a deep body of knowledge in,

01:44:10.820 but from where I'm sitting, the major driving force behind the massive undertaking of building these megalithic structures is something spiritual.

01:44:22.080 I don't think you can downplay the size of the spiritual element here.

01:44:25.300 Well, and not to drag us even deeper, but as you were talking about the idea of pseudo-archaeology,

01:44:32.600 one of our favorite guests and somebody that we bring up ad nauseum, Jerry Marzinski,

01:44:36.820 this idea of pseudo-psychology is also labeled on him where he has some theories that schizophrenia is possibly not just hallucinations,

01:44:49.400 but contact with entities.

01:44:51.340 And he's worked in the field for over 30 years, and he's documented cases.

01:44:55.540 He's actually brought an ex-patient on that agrees with him and has overcome schizophrenia by, you know, using Jerry's methods.

01:45:04.700 But it's interesting how these ideas mimic each other.

01:45:07.560 And then the same way with archaeology, now we're looking at these pyramids,

01:45:10.740 but really it's like it's kind of like we're looking at the sky or looking within yourself,

01:45:15.400 some kind of weird spirituality that we are not in contact with these days.

01:45:20.660 We're completely dead with it.

01:45:22.100 We've got our phones and this is our spirituality for the most part.

01:45:26.380 And our money.

01:45:26.940 We're missing stuff.

01:45:28.540 So I know we're past time here.

01:45:30.520 I would sit here for the next eight hours and talk to you guys about this.

01:45:33.260 I want to be respectful of your time, so I'll try to be brief.

01:45:36.780 But schizophrenia, if we look back, and this isn't an archaeological thing.

01:45:44.240 This is a cultural anthropology thing.

01:45:46.120 And I've read plenty of stuff about schizophrenia, spirituality, and also the stars.

01:45:52.320 So there's two points I want to make.

01:45:54.160 And these two points, the first one before I get to schizophrenia,

01:45:57.640 is that it is very clear that humans in the ancient past valued the cosmos in a very, very real way.

01:46:06.080 And that should be implicit in the construction of these structures and how they cared about astronomy.

01:46:13.040 I would recommend that you guys talk to a woman who does deep, deep research into astrology.

01:46:21.080 And her name, her tag on Twitter is Glass Delusions. 0.99

01:46:25.060 I would really recommend you guys talk to her.

01:46:27.840 She's fantastic.

01:46:30.400 And that's a Russell Brand quote paraphrased, but it is true.

01:46:35.280 It is true in a very real way.

01:46:40.180 Now, schizophrenia.

01:46:43.700 Schizophrenia is a modern definition of behaviors that human beings have.

01:46:50.980 And it's understood through modern science in this way.

01:46:53.720 But in ancient societies and in more traditional societies living in different subsistence strategies,

01:46:59.020 you can find plenty of cultural anthropology papers about how different ways of thinking.

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01:47:45.620 So, schizophrenia, what I often discuss, not so much recently, but I'm glad I'm being reminded of it, is that, like, the Western value system, they have, like, even down to something like IQ, which is a very obvious way to think about it.

01:48:07.400 But the average IQ.

01:48:08.400 The average IQ of 100 is based on the average age-adjusted, it changes over time, it's relative, of an adult white male. 0.58

01:48:22.680 That's what the standard is.

01:48:24.000 And in many ways, and in many ways, I know this sounds kind of woke, but I think it's inherently true, is that our beliefs and the values in our society are based on the average of our society.

01:48:40.020 And this person does not exist.

01:48:42.040 There is no person that matches exactly this average type person.

01:48:46.420 Everything in our society is built around this average white male at its root. 0.75

01:48:51.920 There's obviously other things that go into it.

01:48:53.700 Now, we have a single track, right?

01:48:58.160 We have an education system that is based around the Prussian system of the 1800s, and what gets talked about a lot less is that it was, while rooted in the Prussian system of the 1800s, of the nation state, that was built on these older methods from different places.

01:49:15.420 I'm from New England, the earliest in 1635, when Massachusetts, one of the New England colonies, they instituted public education, not just for white men, but also for anyone living in their society, which very soon after that, they had black slaves and freed black people.

01:49:38.820 Not just men, but also women, they had to do this.

01:49:42.680 I mean, they were required to.

01:49:44.820 This was a value of their society.

01:49:47.100 I'm digressing.

01:49:48.500 The point is that in the 1800s, Prussian system, you go into the 1890s.

01:49:53.220 I have a whole, I have spoken about this for hours, but to make it more concise, this system gets changed in line with what industrialists want.

01:50:05.100 People like Henry Ford, Carnegie, Rockefeller, they institute these changes.

01:50:09.660 They institute universal high school.

01:50:11.780 They create these education colleges.

01:50:15.300 And that's, while rooted in the Prussian system, this is more of what, I'm sorry, I'm getting an emergency alert one.

01:50:22.160 Are you in Florida?

01:50:25.220 Are we getting another hurricane?

01:50:27.360 I know there's another one coming.

01:50:29.200 No, Connecticut is telling me that 911 services are interrupted.

01:50:32.300 That's, I don't care.

01:50:34.940 That's kind of scary.

01:50:35.980 Are you trusting the plan, bro?

01:50:37.600 You trusting the plan right now?

01:50:42.100 Jeez, that's kind of crazy.

01:50:43.200 Regardless, yeah, society is fragile, as a side note, by the way.

01:50:49.980 You can't trust 911 forever.

01:50:53.180 Now, our education system is built around this.

01:50:55.860 It's built around a single track towards, you know, going to college, this average white male.

01:51:00.420 Well, earlier societies had much better ways of dealing with diversity of thought.

01:51:06.740 And people who would today be diagnosed with schizophrenia, as well as any other belief, any other different way of thinking, it would be called something like, in certain cultures, I forget the specific one for this, but it would be translated as like the gift.

01:51:22.640 It would be translated in a way, and their position in their society, they wouldn't be forced to sit for eight hours as a five-year-old boy, which is cruel and evil, to sit in a classroom.

01:51:38.280 And if they can't do it, they're going to pump you full of drugs that make you able to do this thing that's unnatural to you, to socialize you into this.

01:51:44.440 I can assume that all three of us were not exactly, you know, built for regular public education in that way.

01:51:52.780 I can make that assumption fairly.

01:51:54.740 Yeah, I was diagnosed with ADHD and put on Adderall as an 11-year-old.

01:52:00.200 Right.

01:52:00.700 And I was diagnosed with ADHD at 26 years old after I graduated college.

01:52:04.180 But it's, you know, you work through it.

01:52:07.880 But the point is that in the past, these differences, there are better methods, there are more ways of, in traditional societies, dealing with these things.

01:52:18.100 And they would have a position in society of importance that is in line with how they think.

01:52:27.040 Right.

01:52:27.220 And they would be valued in society for what they do, not for hunting and gathering.

01:52:33.120 They might not even live within regular society.

01:52:36.160 You know, you watch something like that TV show Vikings, where they have that shaman, that crazy guy that ends up that, I don't know if you guys have seen the show, but he lives outside of regular society.

01:52:46.760 But he has a position within society, even though he's outside of it, even though he lives physically outside of it.

01:52:52.760 And sometimes that would be the case.

01:52:54.600 And sometimes they would just live within regular society in a more literal way.

01:52:59.280 But there were methods of, you know, every single type of difference that someone would have, every single problem they had, they figured out ways of dealing with it.

01:53:11.480 The way that we deal with it today is through drugs and therapy and all sorts of different things.

01:53:16.320 And typically, by the way, abandonment.

01:53:18.220 And after some time, you can no longer just stay in a facility and keep, you know, taking up a bed or being given drugs.

01:53:25.400 They will release you.

01:53:26.920 I have an aunt who's schizophrenic.

01:53:28.700 And most of her time is spent just walking around the streets of New York, you know, having wild experience after wild experience.

01:53:36.700 So, yeah, we, to Noelle's point here, we just brought up that chat.

01:53:40.700 Terrence McKenna talked about schizophrenics being shamans in traditional cultures.

01:53:44.140 And I think that exemplifies, they would be shamans or they would be oracles or there was always a position within these ancient cultures where these people would be elevated to.

01:53:54.420 They would be in a position of importance, culturally speaking.

01:53:58.380 And so, yeah, I mean, you know, something that we've said here ad nauseum, and I will say it again at the risk of being repetitive, which I consistently am.

01:54:07.540 But we just had.

01:54:09.600 This is how we fill the space of an episode, though. 0.99

01:54:11.800 This is, yeah, this is how we stretch out the, I just say the same shit over and over again. 0.98

01:54:17.040 What's this guy's name? 0.99

01:54:18.040 Tucker Carlson, right?

01:54:18.960 He's talking about our detachment from spirituality in the West.

01:54:21.580 And I think that the plight of the schizophrenic is a great example of our detachment from spirituality here in the West. 0.60

01:54:30.660 Yeah.

01:54:30.960 And the failure of our culture.

01:54:32.660 Yes.

01:54:33.040 The failure to deal with these certain things in a way that makes these traditional societies who, by Western standards, were materially poor, but the values, it doesn't matter.

01:54:44.040 It doesn't matter.

01:54:44.660 And I would view a society that is able to, you know, have people of different beliefs and different ways of understanding fit into their culture in a certain way as a far superior culture to our own, regardless of how high our buildings are or how fast and efficient our cars are.

01:55:05.300 Yeah, there's an element that we're missing entirely to our detriment massively.

01:55:12.780 All right, Sam, we have to bring it in for a landing.

01:55:14.980 This is a fantastic conversation.

01:55:17.080 And I just want to say right here, we'd love to have you back sometime in the future to continue this because God knows this is a topic that is much more expansive than we were able to delve into in an hour and a half.

01:55:31.760 But for the people listening, one more time, let everybody know where they can find you and your work if they want to delve a little bit deeper into this.

01:55:39.880 Yeah, so I have a lot of threads on stuff like this.

01:55:42.940 A lot of it's just like, you know, history stuff on Twitter, ill underscore scholar, and then videos on YouTube.

01:55:51.000 And I do long live streams.

01:55:52.920 People really like them.

01:55:53.680 I didn't think they would.

01:55:54.580 But, you know, people come and hang out.

01:55:56.680 And I love it.

01:55:57.240 I love interacting with people.

01:55:58.380 I love hearing where everyone's from.

01:55:59.620 And, you know, and then on Patreon, $2 a month is the minimum.

01:56:05.880 I don't it's it's early and unedited episodes on the Patreon and $2 a month.

01:56:13.540 I'm going to bring it up to $5 eventually once I start, you know, providing value in line with $5 a month.

01:56:19.620 But I'm not there yet.

01:56:21.140 But you'll get grandfathered in if you're in at $2.

01:56:23.080 So, yeah, ill scholar on Twitter, illegitimate scholar on YouTube, and illegitimate scholar on Patreon.

01:56:31.640 All right.

01:56:31.860 And also shout out the boys, right?

01:56:34.180 Five till midnight.

01:56:34.720 I'd love to go on.

01:56:36.360 And I think I would do a much better job on this type of show. 0.99

01:56:41.220 I'll bring my expertise of talking shit to this show. 0.94

01:56:44.420 Yeah, both of you are welcome whenever you want to. 0.99

01:56:46.920 I think we've had the two of the Tower Gang guys on.

01:56:54.440 I brought on Tower Gang Toad as a surprise, and I had him pretend to be me.

01:56:59.480 That was funny.

01:57:00.680 I realized what a mistake that was.

01:57:02.920 Are you really are you Toad on that show?

01:57:04.420 Yeah, in a lot of ways.

01:57:07.480 Yeah, I'm the Toad of the show intentionally.

01:57:10.500 Well, I'm the producer of the show.

01:57:12.720 And then also, I don't let him produce. 1.00

01:57:15.200 He's a retard. 1.00

01:57:16.080 Oh, my bad. 1.00

01:57:17.560 He's like, oh, and another.

01:57:19.400 No, then no, I'm not like him whatsoever.

01:57:22.160 Well, no, I mean, I think in a lot of ways, you know, I'm the foil intentionally.

01:57:28.300 I'm the foil.

01:57:29.280 I'm also, you know, I play up like I'm a little bit more bleeding heart than the other guys.

01:57:33.500 I'm so conservative, but I play that up a little bit on there.

01:57:37.140 But yeah, five till midnight, weekly, Monday nights at 8 p.m.

01:57:40.920 We talk politics on that show.

01:57:43.500 And it's a lot of fun.

01:57:45.600 Well, that's it, guys.

01:57:46.820 You need an outlet from the serious stuff that you do sometimes.

01:57:49.900 Yes, 100%.

01:57:50.900 Yeah, and that's why I do stuff like I threshed my lawn in silkies and a crop top at 8 p.m.

01:58:00.780 while Toad was pretending to be me.

01:58:04.360 One night.

01:58:05.160 Yeah, that was funny.

01:58:05.960 You have to, though.

01:58:06.720 You got to break away from it.

01:58:07.680 That's why Top does Tower Gang. 0.99

01:58:09.180 That's why I do Timeline Cleanse.

01:58:10.460 It's like you spend all this time looking into these very serious subjects, and you forget to, like, have some fun.

01:58:18.160 And if you don't, you become a terrible person.

01:58:20.040 So, guys, go and check out Illegitimate Scholar.

01:58:22.880 Go and check out Five Till Midnight.

01:58:25.040 And also, I know this is only going to a limited audience right now, but don't forget, guys, this weekend is Brohemian Grove.

01:58:32.820 Go and get your tickets at BroGrove.com.

01:58:35.340 And we will see you in, what, three days?

01:58:38.760 Good God.

01:58:39.340 Three days.

01:58:39.820 I'm so tired.

01:58:40.880 We'll see you in three days, people.

01:58:42.340 See you in three days.

01:58:43.260 All right, guys.

01:58:44.200 Peace out.

01:58:44.780 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:58:51.080 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:58:54.840 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, you can't.

01:59:01.220 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:59:08.060 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - October 30, 2024

072： Ancient Cultures w⧸ Samuel P Urban

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