In this episode, we're joined by Donnie of Spellbreaker's Podcast to discuss conspiracy theories and the dark side of the internet. Donnie is a writer, podcaster, and podcaster who focuses on conspiracy theories. He's also the host of the Spellbreaker Podcast, which focuses on conspiracies, conspiracy theories, and theories about conspiracies.
00:03:19.000Haven't made an episode of Nephilim Death Squad since sometime last week and went through this jarring experience of Bohemian Grove.
00:03:26.080And, yeah, so it's nice to be back in the chair doing something a lot less nerve-wracking than setting up and maintaining this live two-day event.
00:03:37.980But one of the things that we spoke a little bit about, Donnie, and feel free to bring the conversation wherever you'd like, but you said something interesting in a conversation with Top.
00:03:48.060I think you used an expression, the localized consciousness of God.
00:03:52.020And before we started this episode, you said that you tend to focus more on the consciousness aspect where, you know, some people, when it comes to conspiracy, certainly, there are more nuts and bolts aspects to conspiracy theory.
00:04:06.400I think maybe, for example, 9-11 might fit that category a little bit more.
00:04:10.360And there are certainly political elements to conspiracy theory, spiritual elements, but consciousness is one that we don't explore maybe often enough.
00:04:19.460What is it that you mean by the consciousness aspect of things, and what brought you in that direction?
00:04:27.660Yeah, well, definitely a great question.
00:04:30.140And maybe the best way to answer that is just to give you a bit of background about myself.
00:04:34.340And, like, ever since a young age, I had very bizarre experiences that weren't really – nobody could really tell me what was going on.
00:04:44.600So I was raised by a pastor, and so I was, you know, going to church twice a week.
00:04:50.320But then I was also – my ancestry is also native, and so I kind of had that juxtaposition.
00:04:57.720And as a kid, I experienced what were called chakras, what the Indians and the Hindus called, you know, chakras.
00:05:05.320I saw auras, and nobody could explain that to me.
00:05:08.420They just thought I was, you know, that I was insane.
00:05:11.400To the point, I actually had to go to the emergency room a few times because my chakras, like, burst open with energy, and people thought, you know, I was dying.
00:05:19.300But, you know, so I had all these weird experiences that weren't really explainable.
00:05:23.020And, you know, as I grew up, like, at a young age, I became a truther.
00:05:26.800You know, so, like, I was dropping, like, you know, jet fuel, steel beams in, like, grade 8 and 9 and shit, right?
00:05:33.580Like, but behind the scenes, the more I kind of dug into all the rabbit holes, you know, I saw that the biggest spell, if you will, is that they're hiding from us.
00:05:45.200They, and we can get into the they, is the nature of reality, and that we are much more miraculous beings than what we've been led to believe, and that the world is spiritual.
00:05:57.380It's not physical, and that even, you know, Christians, which I was brought up, and I still, I live, like, an ethically Christian life.
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00:06:50.000Yeah, you're walking a strange line here, but it's the perfect, it's the line that we like to pick up and tug on every time we do this episode.
00:06:58.700Tell me a little bit more about your chakras exploding, because I might have had some kind of weird, similar experience as a child as well, but not as, not, I need to go to the hospital.
00:07:09.300But I said it on the show before, I was sitting, listening, watching the Yankee game, listening to Michael K., and all of a sudden feeling myself, like, in the corner of the room, watching myself, like, tingly feeling, very uncomfortable.
00:10:12.280And I'm often reminded of that because it's kind of an apt quote where, like, if you really pay attention to the finer details of a thing, you start to realize its nature.
00:10:20.780And I realize that it's almost like a law or a principle and that it's not accurate.
00:10:29.200And the reason it's not accurate is because it's an inversionism, right?
00:10:33.020It's an inversion of, like, God's law.
00:10:35.200For example, like, I believe God is in the details.
00:10:38.160If you look at the minutia of a situation, even the way that things unfold in your life, oftentimes if you take a bird's-eye view, you realize that so many things happen to you for a reason if you're that kind of a thinker.
00:10:51.480And so I thought that that was an interesting thing because, you know, these fallen entities, these fallen angels that Top and I talk about often, we don't believe that they can create.
00:11:00.180Really, all they do is they invert God's laws, and they invert God's creation.
00:11:04.380So that's a long-winded way of getting back to this original point of these principles or these, you know, let's say, for example, astral projection.
00:11:45.380But going there unarmed with the information that's required to understand the spiritual realm, that's where the danger comes into play.
00:11:51.380So I just wanted to say I share that sentiment with you because the New Age movement has done really irreversible damage to spirituality in so many ways because it's so cringy, and it's also peppered with paganism.
00:12:06.560And I don't think that many of the tenets are actually a bad thing, or not the tenets, but the practices themselves are not bad.
00:12:13.880But it's just you're playing in a realm where you're playing alongside fallen entities.
00:12:49.040And yeah, there's a lot of danger in that.
00:12:50.860And as well with, yeah, like astro-projection and other things.
00:12:55.760Like, look, like, yeah, New Agers are gay, and they're really annoying, and they lack grounding, right?
00:13:03.460Like, so I think, you know, when we talk about Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you know, we have to think, especially as men, we have to, like, have, like, our hierarchy of development.
00:13:14.460And I think Christianity gives us as men a really good framework for life, meaning, like, you know, being a true male is being a provider, you know, taking on responsibility, building family, you know, building community.
00:13:28.540Yeah, and, you know, having a more, like, Christian-oriented life, you know, all my friends are Christian, and I think they create the best lives, right?
00:13:36.900And so, yeah, I think, you know, to be safe, don't dabble in witchcraft.
00:13:40.740Don't start, you know, going into the astral realm because it's real, and you can, you know, if you check out the work of Swedenborg, like, there are hell realms that you can go to, you know?
00:13:51.060And so maybe as, like, a caution, you know, and she's like, just don't mess around with that, you know?
00:14:45.500So the first time, I actually just ended up in a random person's house, and I don't know how I got there, and then that was really bizarre.
00:14:54.780Other times, so I believe that we actually all, I think we're actually in the astral realm and physical realm at all times, right?
00:15:01.680And that there's a barrier or a void that is set up intentionally so we don't go batshit insane, you know?
00:15:08.660And I think when we sleep, our consciousness is in the astral because advanced astral projectors will see people that they'll validate in real life, literally just like sleeping in the astral realm, right?
00:15:21.160And so, yeah, like, some dreams are actually astral projection.
00:15:24.840But, yeah, you'll see spirit beings, entities.
00:15:27.840What's interesting as well is there are, just like we, you know, we have physical police, there are, like, people controlling the astral.
00:15:36.860Like, you go into certain places, and they're like, you're not supposed to be here, and poof, they'll kick you back into your body.
00:15:41.860Or, yeah, there seems to be a management class, and the government actually employs, like, psychic spies as well to stop you from being able to mess around with, like, politicians and to go to deep underground bases and stuff.
00:15:55.480But, yeah, yeah, so I've just experienced, like, weird entities and beings and seen people and, yeah, done a few things.
00:16:05.980Well, it's interesting because as obtuse as it is what you've just said, I have heard that a lot from people who didn't have a bag to sell, you know what I mean, who were describing things seemingly as honest as I've heard anybody describe things.
00:16:23.340And they echoed those sentiments of there is an entire apparatus in these realms that functions on a daily basis, or maybe daily isn't the word to use because it seems that there's a time dilation issue that people will often talk about when they visit this realm.
00:16:37.360But, yeah, there are people there with jobs.
00:16:40.360I've heard this before, and that there is a rhyme or reason.
00:16:43.340I guess, you know, to some extent, when you think of a dream, you think of, like, this disjointed, jarring experience that has no rhyme or reason and is potentially just made up of symbols that are meaningful to your subconscious.
00:16:56.280It's your subconscious's way of communing with you, which, by the way, I think was one of the most damning analyses to ever hit the psychological realm, right, when it comes to...
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00:17:41.340Sort of the gatekeepers in psychology to have reduced dreams to simply a way that the subconscious mind unpacks things like trauma and such through the art of symbols.
00:17:55.440That is, maybe there is some element of that, and I'm willing to entertain that idea, but some dreams are so profound and so meaningful.
00:18:06.300And how often do you hear someone come back from a dream and say things like, this felt more real.
00:18:13.720But also that this felt more real than reality itself.
00:18:18.160That's something that you see as a pattern emerge from one experiencer to another experiencer.
00:18:24.060This idea that somehow this place feels more real than what we are experiencing here.
00:18:29.520So I just think that our, once again, to go back to what I said earlier, our understanding of the spiritual realm, our connection with the spiritual realm is so weak and nearly non-existent.
00:18:43.500And I wonder if we'll ever get to know how much poorer we are for it.
00:18:49.380Well, David, it kind of reminds me here, we're probably going to be doing some more episodes, maybe some solo episodes together, and we don't know what we're going to talk about.
00:18:58.860But one of the things that I think we should do is deep dive on, like, pop culture.
00:19:03.800So what we're talking about here reminded me of the movie Beetlejuice, the old one.
00:19:10.220I haven't watched it in a long time, but I remember vividly the, like, the waiting room scene.
00:19:15.520They're in, like, some kind of ER, and they're in a waiting room, but they are in this other realm, this upside-down realm where, like, things are normal to them because this is how they operate.
00:19:26.020There's just a guy with, like, you know, like a plant head or something like that, and they're just like, yeah, whatever, like, this is how it goes.
00:19:31.020And everybody I talk to who does dabble in this, in the other realm, in astral projection, says the same thing as, like, things are weird, but they seem to manage.
00:19:42.760Like, there was a story, I think, on Tony Merkel's show.
00:19:46.380There's a guy, he was in a spot he shouldn't have been, and he was going around like a garbage collector, and it speared him, and it was about to put him into, like, the garbage bin, and something saved him from being just placed into.
00:19:59.640And he said, when it got me, I felt like it had no soul.
00:20:04.020It was just like a robot doing its job, and it's there to pick up something that's not there and throw it into wherever it goes.
00:20:12.180And he says that if I would have went into that bin wherever he was going to put me, I would not have been able to come back to my body.
00:20:24.580We talk about that all the time, Top, when it comes to spiritual warfare, but we've never really talked about it in the context of just, like, traversing an area.
00:20:31.880Like, there are rules to Disney World.
00:21:07.580Yeah, well, you know, in order, like, to cultivate, to astral project, right, I believe is an extension of becoming a lot more aware of the present moment.
00:21:19.800So a lot of how we're manipulated as a species, individually and collectively, is that we're basically asleep all day, right?
00:21:27.260And not just, you know, the I'm awake to the J's or whatever.
00:21:31.880I mean, literally, like, our brainwave state is, like, just above sleeping.
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00:23:05.560So we're pretty much like 90% on autopilot, right?
00:23:09.340So we actually, as a form of spiritual practice, need to daily practice presence, being present in the moment, and actually just being aware of our surroundings and even, like, have a degree of skepticism, right?
00:23:21.800So, you know, for those who have practiced lucid dreaming, we do these things.
00:23:25.560We do reality checks five, ten times a day, and you ingrain that into yourself.
00:23:29.740To when it transfers to when you're sleeping, you start to think, oh, there's a flying pink elephant, like, maybe something's off here, right?
00:23:38.240And then cultivating the ability to lucid dream, extending that further is astral projection.
00:23:45.060Because we're all in these realms all the time, especially when we sleep, but we're just not aware.
00:23:50.580And so that level of awareness, as you increase that every day, you'll become more aware in the astral states, right?
00:23:58.720And so for me, like, I would just peer in and out spontaneously through practice.
00:24:04.860And so, yeah, like, I've seen light beings, you know, crystal cities.
00:24:09.680Because, yeah, like, literally entire worlds that were made of crystal with advanced beings, like, you know, we're in kind of, like, a lower realm.
00:24:19.100We're not full hell, but we're kind of, like, in between, you know, whereas there are states or dimensions.
00:25:59.280Honestly, I think the more we dive into even the nature of reality, you know, back to this idea of materialism, you know, maybe everything exists in the mind.
00:26:11.540Maybe we're all in the mind of God, right?
00:26:16.720We have this idea of materialism, like this is a physical place somewhere that if I hop on, you know, American Airlines flight or something I can go to, you know, maybe it does exist just in my mind.
00:26:57.420Whereas this is like a level of data and information and experiences that at least in my conscious mind, I have had no reference point for.
00:27:07.000So that's what leads me to think it's probably real.
00:27:20.340Because one of the fears that I have is like, I really like my sleep and I get a lot of sleep and I probably still need more.
00:27:28.320I don't know what's the matter with me.
00:27:29.340But I worry that if I start practicing some form of astral projection or some form of lucid dreaming, that my days of having just a regular night's sleep are going to be gone.
00:27:50.840Having said that, I think the risk is there's a reason why the veil exists.
00:27:59.420There's a reason why we don't see all the entities around us at all times.
00:28:02.520There's a reason why we are in our bodies in this reality and we still have to pay bills and we still have the, you know, have to live an actual life in the ground.
00:28:12.060And that's what I call grounded is like grounded and present in your daily life.
00:28:18.500And I think the largest risk that I've experienced in my life is like, if you go too into like, I used to meditate three, four hours a day and I get into states of consciousness that are just like incredible.
00:28:43.180And so, you know, I think there's balance to be had.
00:28:45.960I think you can do these things well, but I think you have to balance it with realizing that we're meant to be here and the veil is there for the reason that we're not just, you know, going off.
00:28:55.220Because I know guys who just do this all the time and they're pretty like wacky people.
00:28:59.800And, you know, like I got bills, bitch, you know.
00:29:05.520Well, that's funny because so one of the things that that is becoming very obvious to us lately is that there seems to be not only other realms, but that people are seemingly occupied in other realms.
00:29:18.020Like you can go to these other places, you might have an entire different life, different persona, occupation of sorts.
00:29:25.340And this is something that has been, you know, especially through the work of Tony Merkel, something that we've become very aware of lately.
00:29:45.340Stephen Kelly claims to be a guy who has an entire alter ego that he embodies.
00:29:51.560And it's sort of in a dream realm, but he's aware that there is, and I know this is going to sound crazy to the audience, but there is a mission driven aspect to this existence that he inhabits when he goes to like this other realm.
00:30:03.960He's got an employer even, and so this just brings you once again to this topic where it's like you think that the astral realm or your dreams are sort of these ambiguous, ever moving, ever chaotic, meaningless spaces that you can inhabit with your consciousness.
00:30:22.860But it seems like, no, there are occupations, there are jobs, there are employers, there is a rhyme or reason and a methodology to the way that things operate in these other places.
00:32:00.860Like, scientists don't know what the fuck's going on.
00:32:02.600I think the last four years told you, you know, what's going on.
00:32:05.440We could literally just be like, you just lived a full life every dream, you know, like, and think about how much more profound that is than, oh, neurons firing in the brain.
00:32:14.240Like, that's like, uh, that, uh, Rick and Morty bit, um, where he plays the game, like Roy.
00:33:12.960And, and I saw a shout out to Nancy in the chat.
00:33:15.620She said, when are top and I going to start our dream journals?
00:33:18.720And it just so happens that I was going for a run today and I was listening to, uh, um, the confessionals.
00:33:25.360And, you know, uh, it seems that even Tony shares this sentiment of like not wanting to start a dream journal because it's like you open this door to a, uh, a dynamic of life that, um, I don't know what sort of depth it's going to add to this experience.
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00:35:44.880I mean, it's probably going to be fairly simple for them.
00:35:47.480So one of the things we've been focusing on, and we've been actually batting an idea around of doing some kind of a documentary or just like basically filming this and talking with people in a more professional setting than just this kind of podcast.
00:36:03.660But is there any veracity or is there anything to being at a location and then traversing into that other realm?
00:36:16.540So like astral projecting while physically being in a different spot because we've had stories that all originate from a certain place in America.
00:36:25.920And it has to be more than just coincidence that these entities, that they're communing with a similar or the same entity within 100 miles of each other.
00:36:37.320And there's also a huge, there's a massive cave system.
00:37:01.180We have like pockets, you know, whether that the same idea of chakras in the body that extends to the planet, you know, where you have these areas of, you know, basically.
00:37:11.960If you see all of the, like wonders of the world, like the pyramids, you can draw a straight line around the planet.
00:37:19.820So some species, some society way more advanced than us, like line those up for a reason.
00:37:26.020And I think it's for exactly what you're talking about, that there's sites on the planet that actually connect together in our high energy.
00:37:33.280Um, well, even the cathedrals to St. Michael, the same thing.
00:37:36.420They're like all the seven of them in a straight line.
00:37:39.780And that's a shout out to Bradley Lail of, um, the awakened podcast.
00:37:43.680He does a lot of interesting research on like the 33rd parallel.
00:37:47.300And it's this, you know, this lay line that stretches around the planet.
00:37:50.620And to your point, Donnie, on that lay line, there is a tremendous amount of not only megalithic structures, but just like oddly important places that fall on that line.
00:38:00.780But that's a great way of putting it, Donnie, is that the same way people have chakras or points of high energy dispersal might be the same way that the planet has points of high or focused or concentrated energy, which is where, you know, countless times you're going to come across these, these examples of either a structure of great importance on that line or seemingly a group seeming, seeking to do a ritual or ceremony in that place.
00:38:29.640There are the, there are these places across the planet of energetic significance.
00:38:33.620And I think that's a great way of putting it, uh, comparing it to the chakras.
00:39:07.100So, you know, I, I spoke to you before about chakras, like feeling it my whole life.
00:39:12.440Um, I, I, uh, my family, um, are part, I'm part native.
00:39:18.000And, uh, some of my family were actually like native elders, like highly revered.
00:39:22.360And, and even when I was 10, I would have native elders who were like the equivalent of shaman come up to me at a young age and say like, this kid knows things.
00:39:30.740They called me a, like a star seed or something.
00:39:33.300And, and yeah, I would have, uh, from a young age, I felt like this wasn't my home.
00:39:39.400Like, uh, like, like I belonged in another realm.
00:39:43.360Like I had come here for a reason, but that my home was not even like this planet, you know, and at a young age, I was telling people that and my parents were like, dude, live right here.
00:40:22.320So like, I, there, there's not a, in our culture, there's not a lot of, uh, ways to have these experiences, see these things and not be either like thrown in a mental institution or seen as insane.
00:40:35.520And other cultures, this would have been seen as, as a gift, right?
00:40:38.780Uh, this idea of auras is something that is, um, that's not anybody's first time of hearing of it.
00:40:44.560You know, recently I was contacted, uh, uh, unprovoked by a psychic and I've become very,
00:40:52.320um, hesitant of Skype psychics over the years, because I think that there's probably something happening where we all have familiar spirits that are, uh, tailing us pretty much at all times.
00:41:04.720And that when you run into a psychic, really what's happening is, uh, there's a high likelihood these familiar spirits are just commuting with their familiar spirits and disseminating information about you that way.
00:41:15.780Um, and I don't necessarily, I can't identify the nature, whether it's good or bad.
00:41:20.540And so, and I also think that engaging with it is a form of consent for these, uh, familiar spirits to then engage with you.
00:41:27.040I think conversation is a form of consent.
00:41:29.380And so, um, if you don't know what you're doing, I think it's better left alone, but I do empathize with the idea of like, some people do not, you know, well, I would say nobody really asked for those things.
00:41:43.940Uh, some people who are psychic, if you take them at their word are being bombarded with information and impressions all day long and they didn't ask for it.
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00:42:25.100You know, once again, I just wonder if there is a problem with our interpretation, you know, a lot of, uh, I consider myself Christian and I know that a lot of Christians back away from these things and, and rightfully so.
00:42:39.680But when you do that, it leaves you, um, with a lack of information or a lack of knowledge.
00:42:44.760Whereas there's another side of the spectrum, uh, that may be a negative side of the spectrum and is very willing to understand these things.
00:42:52.580And, um, I think that the more we back away from it, the, the less we understand and the more damage that we're doing, uh, to ourselves and, and just, you know, our understanding as a, as a society of the greater implications of, of, you know, the spiritual realm.
00:43:09.100But, um, uh, you know, I just hear you describing this as a, as a kid, you're seeing auras.
00:43:14.240And I kind of go like, well, if you came to me now and you said, I'm in the practice of trying to read auras, I'd be like, don't know that I'd recommend that.
00:43:38.020All my friends are Christian, but I think where I deviate from them is, um, you know, uh, scientists call, you know, they make fun of Christians.
00:43:51.320Well, I think, I think Christians do like, you know, Satan of the gaps.
00:43:55.580Where if there's things that we don't readily understand or isn't fully explicable, we just say that's Satan or that's satanic and it's inherently evil.
00:44:26.180I think largely they need our consent.
00:44:28.600And as well, um, they like the way it works.
00:44:32.500It's not like, like, I think Christians give demons too much credit in that.
00:44:37.900If you believe in Christ, believe him with your whole heart, believe that you have dominion over demons, right?
00:44:43.840That, you know, a lot of Christians like have this fear of the demonic.
00:44:47.500Like, I believe demons and entities are just trying to keep you in check.
00:44:51.500It's just like, you know how like chicks like shit test you to be like, you know, is this guy actually like who he says he is?
00:44:57.600You know, they'll poke little, you know, that's what I think demons do.
00:45:00.500So, you know, my opinion, like, yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to like fuck around with that shit.
00:45:05.520Like, you don't, you know, you know, but at the same time, like, like for me, because I've had a, like my connection with shockers and seeing auras.
00:45:14.100Like, like when I look at people immediately, immediately, I get a download of information.
00:45:28.720Their level of intelligence, you know, how they would respond.
00:45:31.880I can almost read people's political views like 90% just by looking at them.
00:45:36.600I get the download of info, you know, that then always turns out to be true once I get to know them.
00:45:41.800And it's like, is that just demons, you know, is that just to be fair, a septum piercing with blue hair is, is, is usually a way of your political leanings.
00:45:53.160I, I could look at a, I look at people and almost immediately know, especially when you look at their eyes, which I'm not a fan of looking at somebody's eyes.
00:46:00.680Because I, if I'm looking at you and getting this from you, I don't know what you're getting from me, but I could immediately kind of, I can see where you're coming from.
00:46:08.940I could say all the same shit, especially politics.
00:46:11.800People wear that stuff like right on their sleeves nowadays, not just with the color of their hair, but like how they'd respond to any, any little probes that I would be putting out there.
00:46:20.300Like, you know, me and they're meaningless stuff, but whatever.
00:46:24.160I think that that's a, you're, you're right on though.
00:46:27.080Like we were just talking about that over the weekend.
00:46:28.960Um, and I said that, cause you know, we, we did a live event and there was so many people in real life there.
00:46:34.440And, uh, what I w what I will say is that meeting all of the fans of this show was tremendous, but you run into characters, literal demons, but you do run into people where, um, you know, what's a giveaway for me when you're hiding stuff.
00:46:53.320It's like, if you come to me, you don't have to be this, uh, you don't even have to be a good person.
00:46:58.400Honestly, you just have to be honest and, and be who you are.
00:47:02.680If I sense you're hiding anything from me, I could pick that up so quickly.
00:47:06.020I know how people feel about me, which is really weird.
00:47:09.260And, um, I just certainly don't have a color correlation with that sort of a skillset, but I do like pick up so much from people that it becomes exhausting.
00:47:18.600Let me actually ask people, let me ask, I moved to a farm.
00:47:22.020I live in the middle of nowhere on a farm in the mountains.
00:47:48.660Like it's, it gets overwhelming and it's just like emotionally draining as well.
00:47:52.280But, um, David just said something about color and you said something about color as well.
00:47:56.300You said you've seen, you've seen an aura color around somebody.
00:48:00.220And for me, that's fascinating because I'm like, uh, I'm a musician.
00:48:04.020So I'm, I was, and I sort of still, I'm obsessed with the idea of perfect pitch and, uh, synesthesia relating that to, um, like, uh, Jesus, Jimi Hendrix.
00:48:17.280One of the most famous, one of the most famous musicians who had synesthesia.
00:48:22.740Um, I think that the song is called Axis of Love.
00:48:31.920Well, he's correlating color to emotion and then, uh, say like, you know, putting it to music.
00:48:37.220But a lot of people, I have this to a certain level with music as well, where I used to play in a church and my wife would be like, uh, what's the name of that song that we play?
00:48:47.520I remember it was an E major and I remember that because it feels orange, whatever that means.
00:48:54.060So those eight notes, you know, uh, E, uh, C sharp, uh, F sharp, G sharp, those notes, when they come together, I'm like, this feels orange to me.
00:50:15.280So like, I would just see, like, I see energetic disturbances around all living things, even plants and, uh, trees.
00:50:23.500You know, I'm not a tree hugger, but like, I just see like a glow, an outline, you know, it'd be kind of like if you shine a light behind somebody and you see it.
00:50:32.500It's just, um, and again, what's crazy is their auras will shrink or expand depending on their vibe.
00:50:39.240You know, like, like somebody who's in a lower vibe states, like, uh, fear or shame or, you know, depression there, there, auras shrinks down.
00:50:49.620And what's crazy is I'll be at parties and I'll see like, like, it's, it's not static.
00:50:57.080So I actually like, honestly, try to turn this shit off.
00:50:59.780Cause like, you know, I'm like, well, you know what, this isn't helping me, but, um, I think Donnie, when it comes to the, when it comes to the colors, um, have you noticed a correlation yet between what colors are consistently associated with people that tend to be your favorite?
00:52:22.660It's like, yeah, it's, it's like somebody who's like kind of hot, what I would call higher vibe or in more of a love state, higher consciousness.
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00:56:31.580So the funny thing is it's actually two – it's either straight socios or it's, like, deep empaths.
00:56:38.960And there's, like, actually no middle ground.
00:56:40.840And it's hard to know if most people are, right?
00:56:43.440I'm not going to claim which one I am, but I used to be in sales, and I was really good for a long – I'm going to say that I would hope that it's empath because I used to crush at furniture sales.
00:56:54.860And there was a kind of a character that would also be really good, but they would go into this, like, song and dance and act.
00:57:03.060And it was a character they would put on, and this would allow them to close sales, and they were just counting money, counting money.
00:57:09.660I actually stopped mine because what ended up happening would – I would start to tell people when my boss wasn't around, like, hey, if you say that you'll buy it, but you want it for this price, which is, like, 60% off, trust me.
00:57:27.740And then what ended up happening is there was one day in particular – my boss had given me the shit about, you know, why is everybody coming with prices that are 60%, 65% off?
00:57:38.180All your deals are happening at this price.
00:57:40.640And so one day some guy walks in, and to make a long story short, he beats me to death on the price.
00:57:47.660He ends up getting, like, 65%, 70% off.
00:57:50.500I think it was the lowest sale that I had ever made, which, guys, by the way, you go to Ashley's Furniture, and you could do this.
00:57:57.340You could beat them to death on the price.
00:57:59.060The government doesn't want you to know this.
00:58:00.580What the government doesn't want you to know is the furniture's free.
00:58:31.040I just stopped doing my job until they fired me after that because I couldn't feel good about that.
00:58:37.040But to your point, there is, like, this character that does excel at sales, and he is, like, kind of a psycho.
00:58:47.860Like, it's this person that puts on a character and gets that sale no matter what, and they bleed and they ooze fake empathy or connection with the customer, but it's not real.
00:59:17.740Like, I had to start my own little thing because I would always excel, but all my managers were psychopaths, and I would see it from day one, and then I would call it out.
00:59:30.160I always call it psychopathic, sociopathic behavior.
00:59:33.440I never go along with it ever, and I would always – people would always have a kind of mark on my back, and the worst thing psychos and sociopaths want is to be found out because they're kind of like scared little boys in a way.
00:59:46.220And they – just back to what we're talking about, like, they excel in ignorance when people aren't conscious, right?
00:59:55.180If you become a bit more self-aware and you have a better sense about people, you'll spot psychopaths immediately, and I'll spot them immediately.
01:00:04.520We'll go eye to eye, and, like, I just know.
01:00:07.760You can see the coldness in their eye, the deadness, right?
01:00:10.780And that takes spiritual discernment, you know, and not everybody has that.
01:00:15.820In the Bible, it often talks about the gifts that people have, and discernment is one of those gifts.
01:00:22.460And, you know, I think this just bolsters even more my opinion that, like, these things aren't inherently bad.
01:00:28.720It's not inherently bad to be in contact with the spiritual realm.
01:00:32.760It's not inherently bad to use these gifts, but I think the playing field is such that, like, the only thing there to influence you if you're unaware of the spiritual realm –
01:00:44.100or not the only thing there, but, like, these darker aspects of the spiritual realm can influence you.
01:00:49.360And that's just – that's the part that really gets me lately because it's just an interesting conversation we're having here.
01:00:56.180I've been going back and forth so much on, you know, things like dream journaling, things like lucid dreaming, whether or not astral projection is actually bad.
01:01:07.500Are crystals evil and gay, or is there some functionality that's not necessarily evil?
01:01:20.280No, I was going to say, it kind of brings up the – like, why I don't like what Joe Rogan does.
01:01:27.300Although, I think maybe in a certain way he does prepare his audience for some of these spiritual attacks.
01:01:32.900Like, when he's talking about, like, just beating the shit out of yourself physically and, like, you know, not being a bitch, this kind of thing.
01:01:39.180But I feel like the audience is also segmented.
01:01:42.460You have people who are there to do psychedelics.
01:01:44.240You have people who are there for the, you know, the David Goggins campaign stuff where they're, like, doing, you know, Iron Man runs.
01:01:51.200And then you have people who are there for MMA or whatever fucking else Joe Rogan does in comedy.
01:01:56.220But he's kind of introducing his audience to, like, hey, go in a float tank, do DMT, talk to the elves.
01:02:02.840And I would never tell my audience to do that.
01:02:05.000I wouldn't tell them to – I wouldn't even tell them to do a fucking sleep journal because I don't know where they're at mentally or where they're at as a person.
01:02:13.960If they're a weak person and they're just kind of, like, flying off the hinges, I don't know, a couple thousand people listen to this show.
01:02:20.180I can't – I don't want to lead somebody down this path and then they get completely destroyed by something.
01:02:26.920They could also be in a locality where something's there that's more nefarious than it would be, like, on my property if I were to do something like that.
01:03:21.360But imagine if instead of just telling, you know, young men, like, yo, just do drugs and get into fighting and do this shit and, you know, all this bullshit.
01:04:30.500You know, then I see guys who – raising families and living on a farm, you know, and trying to cultivate being a better person every day and the fruits of that.
01:04:42.180So in everything, we just have to ask, like, what does that do for you?
01:04:47.120You know, like, does that actually benefit?
01:04:48.400It's kind of interesting because – so the standard view of the Bible, like how I looked at it, especially the Old Testament, I was like, this is like a lot of these and thousands.
01:04:57.400And it's kind of like what you should do, what you shouldn't do, a little bit boring.
01:05:00.960And like you said, it leaves a lot of gaps and a lot of things open.
01:05:04.920But as we're doing this show and we're talking to some really interesting people, biblical scholars, other people who are thinking outside the box.
01:05:11.320In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.
01:05:53.880They are telling you about these things.
01:05:55.560They're telling you about the other realms.
01:05:57.480And then when you start to get into the extra-canonical books, which are also some, I mean, the Book of Enoch, which is mentioned in the Bible.
01:07:52.300See, and this is, so I want to talk about this, but this can get, like, very slippery, because this slides into that New Age stuff, where they're like, you are God, you can, well, this is the, so, all right, this is the initial lie with Adam and Eve, right?
01:08:05.500You can be like gods if you just eat of the fruit.
01:08:08.580And they do, and it's like the lie is you can be like God.
01:08:11.620But what you're saying here, there is some truth to it.
01:08:14.920So, go ahead, break it down for us, man.
01:08:16.540Tell us what you think about, what does that mean?
01:08:21.680Yeah, well, like, so the New Agers and Satanists, I actually think they're the same, right?
01:08:28.600And if you look at, like, the early New Age was, like, Lucius Publishing Company, you know, these were, like, Satanists and shit, you know.
01:08:37.700But anyways, basically, they worship the self, or they believe that we are God, right?
01:08:43.980And every single person I know who said, I am God, has been batshit crazy, you know.
01:08:49.400So, I believe that God, I think we're interconditioning, like, God, in the same way, like, you know, Eve came from the rib of man, like, we've come from the rib of God, right?
01:09:01.180Like, without God, we are nothing, but God has imbibed us with the power of creation.
01:09:09.100And I think that power is consciousness, and that is the creative force in the universe.
01:09:14.980And so, God dwelling within us, God has given us their power of creation, right?
01:09:21.520Without God, we do not have this power.
01:09:50.180And so, yeah, like, I am not my child, and my child is not me.
01:09:53.840You know, I am not God, and God is not me.
01:09:56.440But, you know, the essence, the divine essence of who we are is born out of God's divinity.
01:10:03.560So that's what I'm – that's the conclusion.
01:10:07.520I think that's important to highlight.
01:10:08.500That's an important highlight or distinction to make, Donnie, because, you know, when it comes to the New Age movement, or like Top said, the original lie,
01:10:17.700which is that you can be as gods, wouldn't be appealing if it wasn't almost close to the truth.
01:10:29.000There's something there in that we are created by God.
01:10:32.160But to then go a step further and say you can be as God, that's where the lie is.
01:10:38.420But it's like so much of this stuff is only effective at entrapping people and making them into what is essentially almost cult members.
01:11:16.540It's only effective because there is some parcel, some nugget of truth within the doctrine that is – that's why even, like, when it comes to – we have a fan of the show, shout out Not Nice Guy.
01:11:32.880He is Mormon, and, you know, I know he has a lot of love for the Mormon church.
01:11:39.540And when I look at Mormonism, or I look at anything – my wife is an ex-Jehovah's Witness – you know, there is a lot wrong.
01:11:48.660But there's also things they would never have been so successful and flourished in the way that they have if all of it wasn't built around some nugget of truth.
01:11:57.940Now, does that turn into a game of telephone, and do we add all kinds of interpretation to it and then build it into this big fleshed-out thing where there are so many things wrong with it?
01:12:09.340But I don't think that you would ever have a long-lasting organization or, you know, a peoples without – people do not continue if their basis is not some – if there's not some truth at the root of it.
01:12:25.020And so I think that even the same thing with the New Age movement, you know, in many ways you could almost say that the New Age movement has a lot of it because they get to have all of the things that Christians are too afraid to look at, which is kind of –
01:13:11.040But, I mean, you know, that's – I think that you were saying before, Donnie, about people who – you know, you'd rather take, like, a Democrat that you can tell is a kind person.
01:13:23.680And that really cares to live by some sort of moral tenets in their life and that, you know, some people who claim to be Christian who are just, like, going through the motions and haven't done anything that is worth a damn.
01:13:35.560And I think that a lot of people, they are – they gravitate towards religion for the wrong reasons.
01:13:44.220And one of the reasons that I think is fundamentally the most incorrect reason is searching for identity.
01:13:50.360And what I mean by that is, like, having an identity within Christ, within God, is not what I'm talking about.
01:13:56.880What I'm talking about is doing the hard work of finding out who you are here and what you're meant to do.
01:14:03.420It's the task that we're all set up with.
01:14:05.880It's the game that we're all trying to figure out while we're here.
01:14:15.940And honestly, a lot of the work you can convince yourself is done if you just adhere to a group that already has a belief system, that already has a built-in identity.
01:14:29.760It's honestly what makes identity politics such a sticky situation that so many people are willing to identify with a set of political beliefs or whatever the hell it is.
01:17:19.200What's the subject that you've been looking into that these kind of things happen to you?
01:17:24.480Um, I, uh, yeah, like, uh, getting into darker subjects.
01:17:32.900So, like, studying about demons and how demons work and their purpose and, um, like, ritual sacrifice and, um, like, black magic.
01:17:46.380I, I actually have become friends with, and he's an ex, uh, high priest of black magic who did blood sacrifices.
01:17:55.560And even though he's out of that game, I think, I think there's a certain rift in, in, in reality that when you do that, like, you, you still have little orbiters around you.
01:18:06.520Because, you know, I'll interact with them.
01:18:08.600And after I almost have to, like, whew, you know, like, you also have to be careful who you talk with.
01:18:13.420Like, like, be, you know, there are people possessed and you can, that can imprint onto you.
01:19:12.160And then there's also a, a pure hatred of demons.
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01:20:10.620And I see demons, I actually have, this might sound weird, but I have compassion towards demons because I believe they are, if people I know, this high priest, former high priest of black magic, he would start to talk to demons.
01:20:24.420And what they told him is like, hey, I'm forced to do this job.
01:20:28.580Like, if I don't deliver, if I don't try to attack you, if I don't do this, like, I'm fucked.
01:20:33.580And fucked in a way that you can't imagine, buddy.
01:22:41.600It seems to be the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim is my estimation and certainly one that people like L.A. Marzulli or Gary Wayne maintain.
01:22:50.820But I do feel like, you know, the more we go down this path, the more we realize, like, there is a real legalese to the spiritual realm.
01:23:00.380And that everybody has their jobs and their positions and their roles that they play.
01:23:04.320And so the idea that their role explicitly is to tempt man, because what good is your love for God if there is no other choice?
01:23:15.600Do you remember the story about Bigfoot, the lady that was talking with the Bigfoot?
01:23:19.980Oh, she claimed that she was having a dialogue with the Bigfoot over time, telepathic communications, and that it visited over and over again.
01:23:27.640Eventually, it divulged to her in some way, shape, or form that it was what it called an elude, which is an offspring of a Nephilim.
01:23:35.080And that it was seeking redemption, which is fascinating, that this sentiment of redemption is something that is even meaningful to, you know, this entity.
01:23:46.200And, you know, it brings about a much bigger question, right?
01:23:48.900Because we talked to Dustin Nemos periodically on this show, and he says that there are no redemption for the Nephilim, that Jesus Christ died for the sins of man, and that these things, genetically speaking, are not men.
01:24:00.240And therefore, there is no redemption for them.
01:25:12.440Like the concept of consent is an incredible...
01:25:15.660In the spiritual circles is, you know, we could talk for hours just about that.
01:25:19.760But again, like, I don't think a lot of Christians really believe in a true living God who has liberated them, right?
01:25:26.240Because when they talk about demons and evil, they talk about they are ever-present and have total dominion and power over them and their lives.
01:25:39.200Like, I'm sorry to interrupt, Donnie, but maybe one of you guys know, either Donnie or Top, what's that...
01:25:44.320There's a story in the Bible or a line in the Bible where it talks about when Satan is cast out before mankind and that the way we'll see him, the visage that he'll take, is we'll almost be in a state of, like, this is the thing that we allowed to torment us.
01:26:26.480Like, we're a fucking hard people who have been, like, pumping oil, cutting down fucking trees, and now we have, like, some, like, little faggy 130-pound dude, like, fucking everything up, you know?
01:26:38.240And everyone, their only answer in the truth...
01:26:40.380Like, I've coined what's called the post-truther movement.
01:26:55.380Like, so, you know, it's now year, like, eight of just bitching online, you know?
01:26:59.660Maybe we could try something new, you know?
01:27:01.700Right, but that's a guy that if they casted him out into the streets in his underwear, people would look at him and go, this is the guy that we allowed to lock everything down?
01:27:08.480This is the guy that's been the bane of our existence?
01:27:10.900Yeah, and that's not even just Trudeau.
01:27:21.440And, like, yeah, he did that one, like, one of the top dudes in Hollywood was just, like, a three-foot-nine Jew who, like, you know, couldn't, you know, couldn't, like, bang some Hollywood actress because he was, like, a fucking goblin.
01:27:49.600And so they just, yeah, and it's all in our minds, right?
01:27:52.760And so I believe any true Christian should believe that you have the power of liberation, right, that these beings have no authority over you.
01:28:00.920And in life, like, the reason why the world is the way it is is because we largely consent every day.
01:28:10.280We consent by our behavior, by our tolerance, by our apathy, by our non-action, by our buying those products or fucking looking at porn or, you know, watching shitty movies.
01:28:22.800You know, all of these things we form a collective consent around, so we've given these people consent to govern, not through democracy, but through our collective actions.
01:28:36.040Like, if we can change the consciousness of people, we will change the world overnight.
01:28:39.940And we have so much power as individuals and power gifted to us by God.
01:28:45.080We just have to actually exercise it, and we haven't yet.
01:28:47.800So that's really – it's a great, like, partner to what I'm about to say here because so many people, when they're indulging in these different things, whether it's mindless hours of Netflix watching or eating trash or poisoning their bodies or allowing themselves to be taken advantage of through one form or another, it's all consent.
01:29:10.320But that's not the way that people look at it, right, Donnie?
01:29:12.380It's like you go, well, it's been a long day, and I've been working, you know, 50 hours, 60 hours this week.
01:30:21.800And, like, so, like, you know, I was hip to the JQ for several years now.
01:30:26.560You know, I partake – partook in oven math, you know, in my teens, actually.
01:30:31.100You know, so I knew these spells for a while.
01:30:34.580I didn't put all the pieces together in the last few years.
01:30:36.820But now I think that's a classic example of what we're seeing is, like, now it's like, oh, the Jews made us do it.
01:30:44.100And my theory about the Jews, just as an aside, okay, so I think that the Jews thousands of years ago started digging into the nature of reality.
01:30:52.500And they basically, like, hit the wall of the Matrix, and they found the construct.
01:30:57.780And then basically, like, the demons or the archons, you know, the ruler of this world, like, said, like, hey, you can, like – you can run this system for us, and we'll drop knowledge on you.
01:31:08.580So, like, we'll give you knowledge, but you've got to, like, fucking run this plantation.
01:31:11.240And that's why when you see all this evil shit, you see, like, Jays popping out everywhere.
01:31:16.720You know, and I don't think all of them are aware of it, but I think that's what's going on.
01:31:20.040Like, they actually – they – and I don't want to call them, like, satanic, and I don't want to say all of them or anything, but I think they literally, like, came against the construct of our reality.
01:31:31.240And they're kind of managing it, like, kind of like, you know, like farmhands or something.
01:31:35.500I like that analogy so much that I now adopt that as what I – that's such a great way of putting it.
01:32:45.100Have friends that actually care about you.
01:32:47.280Like, do you know how blessed that is?
01:32:48.780People don't realize how blessed you are if you just, you know, have those things.
01:32:51.860And, like, imagine having, like, billions of dollars and, like, nobody liking you at all, ever, except for the ability that you can help them, you know, maintain or grow their power.
01:34:03.640It's a great – I mean, it's made by lefties.
01:34:06.680But I think it's a great representation of what would happen and what does happen when you have these created people who are then – you know, they kind of – oh, they came out of nowhere.
01:34:15.740And all of a sudden, they're politicians or actors or musicians or whatever.
01:36:47.580But if when everyone's hating them, you create that tension, that juxtaposition, which allows for demonic influence, allows for them to gain power, where we need to actually, like, compassion will get, will remove that.
01:37:02.580I couldn't imagine what it's like to be one of these, like, kind of cold-hearted reptilian elite, because I guess what allows them to be it is that they're at such an upper echelon of life that they have all these sort of, like, aspects of decadence, and they can have whatever they want and things of that nature.
01:37:18.520Because when life really beats you down, like, I've been poor pretty much my entire life.
01:37:23.140I grew up in the slums, and, you know, we've always been like that.
01:37:25.960Um, and with that comes a lot of, like, down moments, but those moments are in stark contrast to, like, the beautiful moments, and I don't think that I would trade that if you said, let me take away all the beautiful moments of, like, friendship and companionship and love and, you know, fatherhood and being a husband.
01:37:46.060We'll take away all that, but we'll give you all of the materialistic things.
01:37:49.560Like, that's the experience that we're living, or they're living, rather.
01:37:53.780Well, that's the book of Ecclesiastes, right?
01:37:55.360This is what happened with King Solomon.
01:37:57.460It's just the dude had everything, and when you have everything, you, like, life is just kind of doled down on the edges, so you start looking for a little bit more, and there you go.
01:38:08.020Yeah, and I would argue that you, like, I wouldn't be where I was without darkness, without pain, without, you know, demonic attachment.
01:38:16.160You know, I've had a really fucked up childhood, a lot of abuse, a lot of stuff.
01:38:20.500Like, I don't really get into you, because I have transcended it, but, you know.
01:38:24.100And I wouldn't be who I am today without having to go through that, and I think both of you as well.
01:38:29.100Like, I have friends, like, one of my best friends, he's a devout Christian, you know, loving family, awesome dude.
01:38:35.840Like, I, he's inspired me to live a Christian life.
01:38:39.720But the difference is, like, he, he was raised also in a Christian family where they were very, always loving.
01:39:24.560I want to give my, I don't want to give my kids a life where they don't experience undue trauma and dysfunction and abuse.
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01:41:01.940And, you know, but then it's a trade-off where through darkness, that's when I think we find God.
01:41:12.860Like, I wouldn't be who I am if there wasn't a certain level of darkness in my past.
01:41:17.140And I often think about that for my kids where, like, I took them out of New York City and I'm like, oh, they're never going to be able to ride a, you know, subway train with a black eye blast and fucking Bluetooth speaker.
01:41:29.220And but it builds character and it's like, well, what do you do in that situation?
01:41:32.760You know, like they're they don't even know about the bus.
01:41:35.840They're seeing goats and shit across the streets.
01:43:11.480But but yeah, I would just say ultimately, like especially those who are Christian or who believe in God, like like really believe in God.
01:43:20.140Like believe that you have that power, that you've been you have that dominion, you know, that like even when we look at the world, do not like I think doom and despair is a sin.
01:43:32.960And I think spreading doom and despair should be illegal.
01:43:35.800And I think we need to be lights of the world.
01:43:38.600And yeah, like one of my favorite quotes of the Bible or passages in the Bible, Matthew 17, 20.
01:43:45.460Jesus said, because you have so little faith.
01:43:47.580Truly, I tell you, if you have the faith as small as a mustard seed, you can move mountains, move from here to that.
01:43:54.060Say move from here to there and it will move.
01:43:57.760And I think if we all have that spirit in our life and we cultivate lives based on that, we will change what is the global homo agenda into a much better place.
01:44:10.540So, yeah, I would say that's kind of it for me.
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