Nephilim Death Squad - 076： Mysticism, Dreams, and Divine Authority with Vicki Joy Anderson

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00:00:30.000 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:00:45.120 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:00:49.540 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:00:57.720 The chasm between what we're told is going on

00:01:00.820 and what is really going on is absolutely insane.

00:01:04.340 Oh, yeah, dude. 1.00

00:01:05.540 There's some Nephilim shit. 1.00

00:01:06.740 It's like we all know what's going down 1.00

00:01:09.280 But no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave 1.00

00:01:12.260 Motherfuckers, they controlling us now 1.00

00:01:14.480 And no one's talking about how they made us part of these slaves 1.00

00:01:17.480 And everybody's just walking around

00:01:19.660 Had in the crowd

00:01:20.360 We want to wake up to a dead in the grave

00:01:22.660 But it's too late

00:01:23.820 We need to be ready to raise up

00:01:25.640 Welcome to the end of the day

00:01:27.460 Everybody is slaves

00:01:28.660 Only some are aware

00:01:30.000 That the government really

00:01:31.240 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:37.580 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:01:41.480 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:01:45.040 Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of the live viewers

00:01:48.380 that this will only be a 30-minute preview.

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00:02:04.780 I am very excited to have on

00:02:07.360 Someone who's become one of my favorite people in the space

00:02:10.720 And I think that pretty much happened with our first conversation

00:02:13.560 Way back on the Raven's Watch

00:02:16.220 So I'm very excited to welcome back to the show

00:02:19.020 Vicki Joy Anderson

00:02:21.280 Vicki, if you could, for the people who may not be familiar with you

00:02:24.220 Let them know where they can find your work

00:02:26.240 And what it is that you focus on

00:02:28.060 Yeah, absolutely

00:02:29.340 You can find me at vickijoyanderson.com

00:02:32.840 All the media that I've been on

00:02:34.900 All the podcasts

00:02:36.000 About three years worth of them

00:02:37.700 All available on the media tab for free

00:02:40.560 For your listening and viewing pleasure

00:02:43.060 You can also get me on YouTube

00:02:46.180 And Instagram and TikTok

00:02:49.480 Vicki Joy Author is my handle on both of those socials

00:02:53.560 You know, I want to say that recently

00:02:56.320 We had these hurricanes that hit Florida

00:03:00.420 And I went to a shelter

00:03:02.220 And I wanted to bring something to entertain myself while I was there

00:03:07.380 And I brought with me

00:03:09.000 They come at night

00:03:10.860 And let me just say, Vicki, how dare you 1.00

00:03:14.020 Because nothing makes an unsettling experience

00:03:18.680 Exponentially more unsettling

00:03:21.540 Than reading

00:03:22.940 They only come out at night

00:03:25.680 In a creepy school

00:03:28.260 With the power flickering

00:03:30.020 Displace from my home

00:03:31.560 I don't know what I was doing

00:03:33.040 It's a tremendous book

00:03:33.980 But you forewarned me once

00:03:36.320 About this idea of reading the book

00:03:39.120 It's kind of like

00:03:40.300 This isn't what you said

00:03:42.640 But the way I liken it

00:03:43.780 Is this idea of peering into the abyss

00:03:45.620 And the abyss peering back at you

00:03:47.000 Once you start to unpack

00:03:50.400 Because a lot of it is about

00:03:51.840 Your own experiences

00:03:53.320 But this much larger picture

00:03:55.400 Of what sleep paralysis is

00:03:57.320 Which is something that

00:03:58.020 So many people are plagued by

00:03:59.660 And when you start to

00:04:02.140 Peel back the layers on that

00:04:04.000 I do think it kind of bleeds into your life

00:04:06.900 And so I don't know what I was thinking

00:04:09.140 Tremendous book

00:04:10.180 Thank you so much for the effort

00:04:11.380 That you put into it

00:04:12.320 And I know people enjoy it

00:04:13.560 Don't take it to a creepy place

00:04:16.880 And read it

00:04:18.460 It's only going to make it

00:04:19.840 A lot creepier

00:04:21.640 Yeah, yeah

00:04:22.360 I just wanted to tell you that experience

00:04:24.860 That's on you, buddy

00:04:26.540 That's pretty hardcore

00:04:27.400 Yeah, I always tell people

00:04:28.740 This is not the stuff that you read

00:04:31.380 Right before you go to bed

00:04:33.040 And then you put it on your nightstand

00:04:34.660 And turn out the light

00:04:36.500 Yeah, no

00:04:38.260 I mean, and I have to be more cognizant

00:04:40.520 Of that, actually, really

00:04:41.560 Because, you know, I grew up on

00:04:43.360 Horror movies and death metal

00:04:44.640 And when I hear, like, super scary stuff

00:04:46.500 I'm like, wow, cool

00:04:47.520 Like, I don't go to bed at night

00:04:49.340 And then freak out or stuff like that

00:04:50.940 And when they put the warning label

00:04:52.660 On the front

00:04:53.120 Like, there's this, there's this, like, you know

00:04:54.900 Old school 80s PRCA, like, warning on there

00:04:58.180 Right

00:04:58.460 And I was like, what's this?

00:05:00.900 Like, come on

00:05:01.700 Because when I read the book

00:05:03.180 I'm like, what?

00:05:03.840 This is totally normal

00:05:04.880 And then I hear feedback from people like

00:05:07.280 Oh, my gosh

00:05:08.500 I had bad dreams

00:05:09.360 I couldn't even get through chapter four

00:05:10.900 And all that

00:05:11.940 And I'm like, what?

00:05:12.580 Chapter four, man

00:05:13.440 That's the vampire chapter

00:05:14.640 That's great

00:05:15.440 So I'm a little detached

00:05:17.680 From the experience

00:05:18.660 But

00:05:19.540 I love that, by the way

00:05:21.660 The big warning on the front

00:05:22.900 Yeah

00:05:23.220 That's like old school

00:05:24.560 Like when you get the parental advisory warning

00:05:26.580 That just means it's good

00:05:27.580 I thought, oh, cool

00:05:29.320 Now the kids are really going to want to read this

00:05:31.880 Yeah, I

00:05:32.820 You know what it is?

00:05:34.120 It's like, it's so relatable

00:05:35.040 You're one of my favorite people to talk to

00:05:37.440 When it comes to the conversation

00:05:38.600 The greater conversation of spiritual warfare

00:05:40.440 And

00:05:41.360 I think that

00:05:43.440 I've very much become comfortable with the conclusion

00:05:45.960 That we're all constantly engaged in spiritual warfare

00:05:49.280 And what that means then

00:05:50.860 Is a book like They Only Come Out at Night

00:05:52.780 May be shockingly relatable

00:05:56.180 And I think that's where the disturbing aspect comes in

00:05:59.680 It's like we would very much like to

00:06:01.620 Bury our heads in the sand

00:06:03.700 And pretend that the strange things that happen to us

00:06:06.300 Are simply that

00:06:07.180 Just strange anomalies

00:06:08.560 That are disjointed

00:06:10.160 Unconnected

00:06:11.180 Have no greater meaning

00:06:12.320 In the greater picture

00:06:13.400 And then when you start to read things

00:06:16.540 Where you go, man

00:06:17.480 That

00:06:17.720 It has an eerie

00:06:19.680 Familiar feeling

00:06:21.540 And I think that

00:06:22.020 I will say

00:06:22.600 Like, yeah

00:06:23.680 So books like that, apparently

00:06:25.040 I haven't read your book yet, Vicky

00:06:26.420 But

00:06:26.740 The book

00:06:28.540 They Came to Set the Captives Free

00:06:31.080 Yes

00:06:31.580 I read that 0.98

00:06:32.340 And I was dumb enough 0.97

00:06:33.240 To keep that by my nightstand 0.97

00:06:34.620 And

00:06:36.580 And after reading it

00:06:37.600 Yeah, I did

00:06:37.960 I feel like

00:06:38.620 It's hard to relate these things

00:06:40.820 Like

00:06:41.620 I read this

00:06:43.300 And then this happened

00:06:44.060 I kind of

00:06:44.740 Understand

00:06:45.580 When people are like

00:06:46.580 Oh, I was abducted by an alien

00:06:47.740 And you're like

00:06:48.240 Well, why didn't you call out

00:06:49.160 In the name of Jesus

00:06:49.960 And it's like

00:06:50.340 Well

00:06:50.520 I didn't think about it

00:06:52.420 In the time

00:06:52.940 Like

00:06:53.120 I didn't think that I would be

00:06:54.740 Me and David

00:06:55.820 Have been kind of going

00:06:56.580 Through some nonsense

00:06:58.580 Some spiritual attack

00:07:00.040 I don't know

00:07:00.380 I don't know what you'd call it

00:07:01.700 Bad luck

00:07:02.340 And it's like

00:07:03.800 It's on the coattails

00:07:04.960 Of reading that book

00:07:06.060 And leaving it by my nightstand

00:07:08.140 So I'm like

00:07:08.600 Now I'm starting to think

00:07:09.800 These things are related

00:07:10.880 And yeah

00:07:11.660 Maybe they are

00:07:12.440 I don't know

00:07:13.340 Yeah

00:07:14.380 You know

00:07:14.680 Spiritual warfare

00:07:15.420 It's such a nuanced thing

00:07:18.280 So

00:07:19.300 Unfortunately

00:07:21.220 And I don't

00:07:22.620 I could hyper-philosophy

00:07:24.180 Several reasons

00:07:24.960 As to why

00:07:25.420 I think this is so

00:07:26.300 But

00:07:26.700 For a vast majority

00:07:28.980 Of the church 0.92

00:07:29.580 If they're going to talk

00:07:30.300 About spiritual warfare

00:07:31.240 At all

00:07:32.420 And

00:07:33.560 And I don't know

00:07:34.780 If they just haven't

00:07:36.380 Delved deep into it

00:07:37.460 They haven't experienced

00:07:38.340 It themselves

00:07:38.960 They think it's bad

00:07:39.940 For tithing

00:07:40.660 They don't want to

00:07:41.140 You know

00:07:41.380 Scare off the members

00:07:42.320 I don't know

00:07:43.320 But

00:07:44.780 There was

00:07:45.760 A couple of decades

00:07:46.960 Where spiritual warfare

00:07:48.140 Was reduced

00:07:49.380 To

00:07:50.300 Things like

00:07:52.200 Every time my car

00:07:53.760 Breaks down

00:07:54.580 On the side of the road

00:07:55.480 I'm on the side of the road 0.79

00:07:56.880 Rebuking the devil

00:07:57.900 In Jesus' name

00:07:58.940 And pleading the blood of Jesus

00:08:00.220 Over my gas tank

00:08:01.200 And all this stuff

00:08:01.800 And you know

00:08:02.740 There is a point

00:08:03.900 You know

00:08:04.280 Even with everything

00:08:05.080 That I've written

00:08:05.920 And everything that I believe

00:08:07.240 About the spirit realm

00:08:08.300 Right

00:08:08.700 I also

00:08:10.380 Absolutely believe

00:08:11.720 In Occam's razor

00:08:12.520 Like sometimes

00:08:13.400 The absolute

00:08:14.260 Most basic

00:08:14.880 Simple explanation

00:08:15.860 Really is what's going on

00:08:17.100 And hey

00:08:17.980 Ladies 0.99

00:08:18.520 If you don't change

00:08:19.800 Your oil

00:08:20.480 For seven years

00:08:22.060 You're probably

00:08:22.560 Going to be on the side

00:08:23.180 Of the road

00:08:23.620 You're probably

00:08:24.460 Not the devil

00:08:25.080 And so

00:08:25.700 I do think

00:08:26.640 We have to

00:08:27.200 This is one of the things

00:08:28.880 There's a verse

00:08:30.400 In scripture

00:08:30.800 That says

00:08:31.480 To love the Lord

00:08:32.220 Your God

00:08:32.580 With your heart

00:08:33.260 Soul

00:08:33.940 Mind

00:08:34.580 And strength

00:08:35.300 And we're

00:08:36.380 And we're

00:08:36.400 A very

00:08:37.200 Metaphysic

00:08:38.960 Kind of

00:08:40.120 Philosophical

00:08:41.480 Emotional

00:08:42.220 Creative

00:08:43.100 Society

00:08:44.180 At this point

00:08:44.860 We've checked

00:08:45.520 You know

00:08:45.880 With all of our

00:08:46.680 Scientific method

00:08:47.740 And all of that

00:08:48.400 We are pretty good

00:08:51.540 Exactly

00:08:53.260 We're

00:08:55.600 We're pretty good

00:08:56.800 At loving anything

00:08:57.860 Whether it's God

00:08:58.600 Or anything

00:08:58.860 We can love things

00:08:59.800 With our heart

00:09:00.420 And our soul

00:09:01.720 And our strength

00:09:02.980 Because that is all

00:09:05.000 Stuff that goes

00:09:05.660 Under the category

00:09:06.300 Of passion

00:09:06.960 And we're

00:09:07.500 A passionate people

00:09:08.400 So whether it's

00:09:09.440 A football team

00:09:10.200 Or it's Jesus Christ

00:09:11.080 We know how to

00:09:12.220 Love things with passion

00:09:13.320 And we know how to

00:09:13.940 Get all the posters

00:09:14.580 And the mugs

00:09:15.080 And the t-shirts

00:09:15.700 And to talk about

00:09:16.480 The stuff

00:09:16.880 But how good

00:09:19.260 Are we

00:09:19.620 Especially those 0.99

00:09:20.500 Of us in the church

00:09:21.260 At loving things

00:09:23.080 With our mind

00:09:24.520 Because the mind

00:09:26.300 Is always getting

00:09:27.040 Checked out

00:09:27.980 With a lot of this stuff

00:09:29.360 And we are not

00:09:31.500 Going to be able

00:09:32.460 To properly discern

00:09:33.760 Whether or not

00:09:35.500 Something we're

00:09:36.080 Experiencing is

00:09:37.160 Spiritual warfare

00:09:37.860 Or not

00:09:38.940 If we're not

00:09:40.540 Willing to

00:09:41.400 Evaluate it

00:09:42.660 And to have

00:09:43.740 Intellectually honest

00:09:44.740 Discussions about it

00:09:45.720 With other people

00:09:46.400 Inside and outside

00:09:47.200 Of the church 0.92

00:09:47.720 And I'll just give you

00:09:49.000 A little rip 0.93

00:09:50.700 From the headlines

00:09:51.440 Yesterday

00:09:52.380 I called a friend

00:09:54.260 Of mine

00:09:54.600 Who I really trust

00:09:55.760 He's very insightful

00:09:56.880 He's very serious

00:09:58.060 He has a

00:09:58.660 Serious prayer life 1.00

00:10:00.380 And I had had

00:10:01.860 A dream

00:10:02.320 Two or three nights

00:10:03.380 Ago

00:10:03.700 It was very

00:10:04.540 Clearly astral 0.76

00:10:05.580 But it was

00:10:06.440 Unlike any

00:10:07.540 One I had

00:10:08.360 Ever had in my life

00:10:09.660 It was very

00:10:10.700 Very different

00:10:12.300 It had other

00:10:13.100 Nuances to it

00:10:14.080 And I didn't

00:10:16.100 Know

00:10:16.600 Is this just a dream

00:10:17.720 Was it an astral dream

00:10:19.560 If it was an

00:10:20.860 Astral dream

00:10:21.720 Was it

00:10:22.800 Was it

00:10:24.620 Something nefarious

00:10:26.900 Trying to torment

00:10:27.800 Me with these

00:10:28.540 Images and things

00:10:29.360 That I saw

00:10:30.040 Or was the

00:10:31.240 Lord trying to

00:10:32.000 Reveal something

00:10:32.980 To me

00:10:33.380 To give me

00:10:33.880 Knowledge and

00:10:34.400 Information to

00:10:35.120 Help other

00:10:35.460 People that call

00:10:36.120 Or was this

00:10:38.620 A repressed

00:10:39.800 Memory

00:10:40.320 Coming back

00:10:42.080 And I didn't

00:10:43.740 Know and I

00:10:44.400 Didn't want to

00:10:44.880 Go off the

00:10:45.320 Deep end

00:10:45.800 And so I

00:10:46.800 Called a friend

00:10:47.540 And I said

00:10:48.040 Let me

00:10:48.400 Explain this

00:10:49.480 And we talked

00:10:50.420 Through it

00:10:50.760 Together

00:10:51.080 And when we

00:10:52.620 Reasoned together

00:10:53.900 With our

00:10:55.360 Minds

00:10:56.340 You know

00:10:57.700 And I even

00:10:58.140 Told him

00:10:58.500 From the

00:10:58.780 Get-go

00:10:59.160 I said

00:10:59.960 I'm not

00:11:00.860 One of these

00:11:01.240 People that

00:11:01.940 Needs

00:11:02.920 Titillating stories

00:11:04.680 To tell around

00:11:05.340 Campfires

00:11:06.000 Right

00:11:06.560 I've got

00:11:06.980 Enough

00:11:07.340 Kooky things

00:11:08.000 Going on in

00:11:08.500 My life

00:11:08.820 I got

00:11:09.080 Enough

00:11:09.300 Cool stories

00:11:09.960 My heart

00:11:11.460 Isn't set

00:11:12.220 On this

00:11:12.740 Dream

00:11:13.120 Being something

00:11:13.840 Really dramatic

00:11:14.620 Like if

00:11:15.440 You tell me

00:11:16.080 Vic

00:11:16.480 Let it

00:11:16.920 Go

00:11:17.200 It was

00:11:17.620 Just a

00:11:17.920 Dream

00:11:18.240 You had

00:11:18.900 Lasagna

00:11:19.280 Before you

00:11:19.720 Went to

00:11:19.960 Bed

00:11:20.100 Whatever

00:11:20.480 I'm okay

00:11:21.420 With that

00:11:21.880 I'm not

00:11:22.520 Looking for

00:11:23.600 Or needing

00:11:24.540 Some titillating

00:11:26.100 Campfire

00:11:26.720 Experience

00:11:27.740 You know

00:11:28.360 And so I

00:11:29.060 Think that's

00:11:29.520 Where spiritual

00:11:31.440 Warfare gets

00:11:32.180 Complicated

00:11:32.760 Because you've

00:11:33.200 Got the

00:11:33.500 People that

00:11:34.400 Don't want to

00:11:34.880 Acknowledge it

00:11:35.460 At all

00:11:36.080 For whatever

00:11:36.660 Reason

00:11:37.100 They're too

00:11:37.920 Intellectually

00:11:38.680 Superior to 0.99

00:11:39.380 Such silly

00:11:39.800 Things or 0.93

00:11:40.640 They have the

00:11:41.820 Cognitive dissonance

00:11:42.640 I don't want

00:11:43.080 To deal with

00:11:43.540 That

00:11:43.780 I don't want

00:11:44.320 To know

00:11:44.520 What seed

00:11:45.020 War is going

00:11:45.580 On behind

00:11:46.000 The veil

00:11:46.380 And how

00:11:46.660 I'm

00:11:46.860 Cannon

00:11:47.160 Floddering

00:11:47.720 It

00:11:47.880 But then

00:11:49.000 You've

00:11:49.260 Also got

00:11:49.860 People

00:11:50.260 That are

00:11:51.380 So aware

00:11:52.160 Of it

00:11:52.460 That every

00:11:53.160 Stone they

00:11:53.780 Turn over

00:11:54.360 Is some

00:11:54.800 Demon after

00:11:55.440 Them and

00:11:55.940 It can

00:11:57.600 Turn into

00:11:58.540 Okay you

00:11:59.900 Guys saw

00:12:00.360 The movie

00:12:00.920 Oh you

00:12:02.760 Guys what's

00:12:03.280 The Keanu

00:12:03.700 Reeves movie

00:12:04.320 Devil's Advocate

00:12:05.020 Yeah

00:12:05.860 With

00:12:06.460 Gino and

00:12:07.700 I love

00:12:08.660 That movie

00:12:09.100 Because

00:12:09.760 The lesson

00:12:10.900 That that

00:12:11.380 Little twist

00:12:11.860 Ending

00:12:12.280 You know

00:12:12.580 Spoiler alert

00:12:13.320 If people

00:12:13.660 Haven't seen

00:12:14.100 20 year old

00:12:14.680 Movies

00:12:15.080 Spoiler alert

00:12:16.280 He comes at

00:12:17.420 Him at a

00:12:17.720 Different angle

00:12:18.240 At the end

00:12:18.800 At first

00:12:20.940 He tries to

00:12:21.900 Get through

00:12:22.440 Him

00:12:23.600 Through the

00:12:26.040 One angle

00:12:26.620 And then he

00:12:27.660 Gets him through

00:12:28.300 His pride

00:12:29.120 At the end

00:12:30.140 And so

00:12:31.820 It's the

00:12:32.960 Same thing

00:12:33.580 And I

00:12:35.300 See people

00:12:36.000 In deliverance

00:12:37.000 Ministries

00:12:37.500 And things

00:12:38.160 Like that

00:12:38.600 Where they

00:12:39.000 Start saying 1.00

00:12:39.660 Really stupid 1.00

00:12:41.200 Things like 1.00

00:12:42.100 I got a

00:12:43.380 Target on

00:12:43.880 My back

00:12:44.440 You know

00:12:45.080 Oh the

00:12:46.020 Devil's freaked

00:12:46.680 You know

00:12:47.140 The devil's

00:12:47.600 Scared when

00:12:48.200 Vicki gets up 0.51

00:12:49.300 And puts her 0.99

00:12:49.720 Feet on the

00:12:50.260 Floor in the

00:12:50.900 Morning

00:12:51.120 Soon as

00:12:53.780 You think

00:12:54.320 You're bigger

00:12:54.880 Better

00:12:55.200 Stronger

00:12:55.740 Smarter

00:12:56.160 All they

00:12:57.900 Do

00:12:58.460 Is flip

00:13:00.400 The diamond

00:13:00.940 To another

00:13:01.440 Facet

00:13:01.920 And they

00:13:02.140 Just try

00:13:02.480 Another angle

00:13:03.100 That you're

00:13:03.480 Not expecting

00:13:04.180 Because everyone's

00:13:05.440 Expecting

00:13:06.140 Oh it's

00:13:06.940 Spiritual warfare

00:13:07.660 If my car

00:13:08.340 Is breaking

00:13:08.820 Down

00:13:09.320 And I can't

00:13:09.980 Pay my rent

00:13:10.480 This month

00:13:11.040 And my

00:13:11.400 Boyfriend

00:13:11.820 Dumped me

00:13:12.440 And all

00:13:12.940 These things

00:13:13.320 That hey

00:13:14.100 If there

00:13:15.400 Wasn't a

00:13:15.860 God and

00:13:16.180 There wasn't

00:13:16.600 A devil

00:13:17.000 And we

00:13:17.640 Were just

00:13:17.960 Human beings

00:13:18.580 Living on

00:13:19.000 This planet

00:13:19.420 Living our

00:13:19.840 Life

00:13:20.120 We would

00:13:21.260 All eventually

00:13:22.460 Have a car

00:13:23.500 Problem

00:13:23.920 A month

00:13:25.000 We couldn't

00:13:25.380 Pay rent

00:13:25.860 Or some

00:13:26.520 Dude that's

00:13:26.920 Going to

00:13:27.120 Dump us

00:13:27.540 Like there's

00:13:28.020 Nothing

00:13:28.560 Required

00:13:31.000 The heavenly

00:13:32.660 Realm doesn't

00:13:33.260 Have to get

00:13:33.660 Involved

00:13:34.600 Necessarily for

00:13:35.720 That stuff

00:13:36.140 To happen

00:13:36.500 To us

00:13:36.960 Now

00:13:37.400 If all

00:13:38.960 Of that

00:13:39.360 Stuff is

00:13:39.780 Happening

00:13:40.260 To you

00:13:40.760 In rapid

00:13:41.720 Succession

00:13:42.600 With a

00:13:43.020 Whole bunch

00:13:43.500 Of other

00:13:44.140 Things

00:13:44.720 Now let's

00:13:45.940 Take a

00:13:46.200 Look at

00:13:46.520 It

00:13:46.680 Now let's

00:13:47.980 Take a

00:13:48.240 Look at

00:13:48.540 It

00:13:48.700 But I

00:13:49.220 Just think

00:13:49.640 That they

00:13:50.100 Can get

00:13:50.560 Pretty much

00:13:51.780 Anybody

00:13:53.020 On or

00:13:56.220 Off this

00:13:56.680 Bandwagon

00:13:57.360 Because of

00:13:58.140 People's

00:13:59.180 Disbelief

00:14:00.160 Of it

00:14:00.560 Or their

00:14:01.120 Over

00:14:01.820 Belief

00:14:02.560 Of it

00:14:03.060 And we

00:14:03.540 Really do

00:14:04.160 Have to

00:14:04.500 Have a

00:14:04.780 Balanced

00:14:05.260 Approach

00:14:06.360 Like I

00:14:06.860 Like I

00:14:06.900 Am absolutely

00:14:07.600 Willing

00:14:08.120 To believe

00:14:09.780 That there's

00:14:10.840 A spirit

00:14:11.280 Realm

00:14:11.560 Out there

00:14:12.000 And that

00:14:12.380 Some of

00:14:12.880 It

00:14:13.060 Doesn't

00:14:13.780 Like me

00:14:14.300 And that

00:14:15.420 They are

00:14:15.940 Going to

00:14:16.380 Spend

00:14:16.740 Time

00:14:17.240 Trying to

00:14:19.280 Fool people

00:14:20.100 And trick 1.00

00:14:20.740 People and

00:14:21.240 Deceive people

00:14:21.960 And beguile

00:14:22.460 People

00:14:22.780 Like I'm

00:14:23.220 Willing to

00:14:23.680 Believe that

00:14:24.140 That happens

00:14:24.760 But I

00:14:27.020 Want to

00:14:27.280 Balance

00:14:27.720 That

00:14:27.960 With

00:14:28.640 Accountability

00:14:29.340 For my

00:14:29.720 Own

00:14:29.920 Choices

00:14:30.300 And actions

00:14:30.940 Like there

00:14:31.640 Are

00:14:31.800 Every

00:14:32.300 Decision I

00:14:32.860 Make is

00:14:33.160 Going to

00:14:33.320 Have a

00:14:33.540 Consequence

00:14:34.160 And I

00:14:34.760 Have to 1.00

00:14:35.000 Stupid 1.00

00:14:35.780 Decisions 1.00

00:14:36.340 I can't

00:14:36.880 Blame

00:14:37.200 Everything

00:14:37.740 On

00:14:38.860 On satan

00:14:39.940 Not only

00:14:40.680 Is that

00:14:40.940 Convenient

00:14:41.820 But it

00:14:42.800 Also

00:14:43.440 Then

00:14:44.380 Puffs

00:14:45.980 You up

00:14:46.560 In

00:14:47.100 Pride

00:14:47.880 Right

00:14:48.820 Where you're

00:14:49.600 Not accountable

00:14:50.200 For anything

00:14:51.020 And everything

00:14:51.700 That's happening

00:14:52.280 To you

00:14:52.600 Is just

00:14:52.880 Because you're

00:14:53.360 This warrior

00:14:54.260 That's like

00:14:54.940 This

00:14:55.140 That the

00:14:55.480 Spirit realm

00:14:56.000 Is so

00:14:56.320 Scared of

00:14:56.940 It becomes

00:14:57.720 A self

00:14:58.160 Righteous

00:14:58.660 Declaration

00:14:59.380 Absolutely

00:15:00.240 I try to

00:15:01.480 Stay

00:15:01.720 I try to

00:15:02.220 Stay away

00:15:02.540 From that

00:15:02.980 Like

00:15:04.520 I had

00:15:05.440 Mentioned

00:15:05.660 Before

00:15:05.980 This guy

00:15:06.620 That we

00:15:07.280 Have on

00:15:07.720 Ed Mabry

00:15:08.600 He gave

00:15:09.500 Us a

00:15:09.780 Seven page

00:15:10.340 Prayer

00:15:10.700 That's a

00:15:11.180 Spiritual

00:15:11.540 Warfare

00:15:12.140 Prayer

00:15:12.500 And he

00:15:13.200 Was like

00:15:13.440 It's a

00:15:14.100 Great tool

00:15:14.560 Say it

00:15:14.900 Out loud

00:15:15.360 And I

00:15:16.700 Have it

00:15:17.120 I haven't

00:15:17.680 Said it

00:15:18.120 Because I'm

00:15:18.800 Like I'm

00:15:19.040 Not gonna

00:15:19.400 Just take

00:15:19.940 This thing

00:15:20.380 And start

00:15:20.880 Like claiming

00:15:22.880 Spiritual

00:15:23.400 Warfare

00:15:23.860 I'm like

00:15:24.140 I'm not

00:15:24.520 Sure

00:15:24.980 And I'm

00:15:25.740 Not

00:15:25.940 We're gonna

00:15:27.260 Take this

00:15:27.620 Out when

00:15:28.280 When we

00:15:28.900 Need to

00:15:29.260 This is

00:15:29.780 The big

00:15:30.080 Dog

00:15:30.380 You know

00:15:30.580 What I

00:15:30.720 Mean

00:15:30.840 But like

00:15:32.220 You said

00:15:32.540 I was like

00:15:32.940 Okay

00:15:33.300 There's a

00:15:34.420 Lot of

00:15:34.660 Things happening

00:15:35.260 Back to

00:15:35.780 Back

00:15:35.880 Like my

00:15:36.180 Dog dies

00:15:36.700 Actually my

00:15:37.500 Manufacturer for

00:15:38.200 My teacher

00:15:38.500 Company just

00:15:39.040 Sent me an

00:15:39.400 Invoice right

00:15:39.900 Now

00:15:40.080 I'm supposed

00:15:40.920 To have

00:15:41.300 We're doing

00:15:41.860 We were

00:15:42.240 Doing an

00:15:42.540 Event

00:15:42.780 I'm supposed

00:15:43.360 To have

00:15:43.700 Merch and

00:15:44.260 Stuff there

00:15:44.760 They're like

00:15:45.200 Guess what

00:15:45.680 Your

00:15:46.220 You know

00:15:46.760 $20,000

00:15:47.360 Machine

00:15:47.760 That's

00:15:48.420 Broken

00:15:48.740 Like okay

00:15:49.680 Perfect

00:15:50.080 Everything that

00:15:51.200 Could go

00:15:51.640 Wrong was

00:15:52.280 Going wrong

00:15:52.860 They're like

00:15:53.180 The first

00:15:54.140 The first

00:15:54.560 Night of

00:15:54.940 Our

00:15:55.160 Performance

00:15:55.900 That we

00:15:56.260 Had

00:15:56.480 They were

00:15:56.680 Like we

00:15:57.120 Booked

00:15:57.760 A 0.84

00:15:58.380 Transvestite 1.00

00:15:59.660 Show right 0.56

00:16:00.120 After yours

00:16:00.640 And I was

00:16:00.900 Like this

00:16:01.120 Is not

00:16:01.460 Gonna

00:16:01.640 This doesn't

00:16:02.620 This doesn't

00:16:03.440 Go good

00:16:03.900 With what

00:16:04.260 We are

00:16:04.580 Doing

00:16:04.920 Here

00:16:05.320 And I'm

00:16:06.000 Like but

00:16:06.480 When I

00:16:07.280 Get the

00:16:07.540 News I

00:16:07.840 Just laugh

00:16:08.220 I'm like

00:16:08.440 This is

00:16:08.660 Hilarious

00:16:09.060 Right

00:16:09.240 Because it's

00:16:09.560 Like it's

00:16:10.920 It's

00:16:11.160 Almost

00:16:11.440 It was

00:16:11.740 Almost like

00:16:12.180 Pointed

00:16:12.680 And directed

00:16:13.500 At me

00:16:14.020 And I'm

00:16:14.320 Just like

00:16:14.560 Well I'm

00:16:14.860 Gonna

00:16:14.980 What am I

00:16:15.600 Gonna scream

00:16:16.100 Or I'm

00:16:16.780 Just gonna

00:16:17.040 Like laugh

00:16:17.520 Because I

00:16:17.800 Just think

00:16:18.120 It's

00:16:18.320 I'm not

00:16:18.540 Gonna lie

00:16:18.900 In that

00:16:19.280 Moment

00:16:19.540 It did

00:16:20.060 Feel like

00:16:20.720 To me

00:16:22.740 It felt

00:16:23.180 Like God

00:16:23.700 Was

00:16:24.200 Almost saying

00:16:25.600 Like you

00:16:26.020 Want to

00:16:26.700 Go out

00:16:28.180 In a big

00:16:28.900 Public venue

00:16:29.560 And try

00:16:31.120 To wake

00:16:31.500 People up

00:16:32.160 How

00:16:34.300 Convicted

00:16:35.660 Are you

00:16:36.100 In that

00:16:36.460 And I also

00:16:37.240 Think

00:16:37.560 Like what

00:16:37.940 If I

00:16:38.140 What if I 0.99

00:16:38.520 Killed 1.00

00:16:38.740 Your dog 1.00

00:16:39.100 God

00:16:40.260 Didn't kill

00:16:40.640 My dog

00:16:41.040 But

00:16:41.220 I'm

00:16:41.700 You know

00:16:42.200 I'm

00:16:42.280 Like

00:16:42.420 Like what

00:16:42.940 If this

00:16:43.320 What if

00:16:43.660 And I'm

00:16:44.700 Just watching

00:16:45.180 And it's

00:16:45.500 Like the

00:16:46.220 The clownery

00:16:47.020 That was

00:16:47.320 Happening

00:16:47.760 I was

00:16:48.260 Thinking of

00:16:48.620 Like the

00:16:48.860 Nephilim

00:16:49.180 Looked like 0.98

00:16:49.500 Clowns

00:16:49.760 I was 0.68

00:16:49.840 Like yeah

00:16:50.040 These guys 1.00

00:16:50.320 Are clowns 1.00

00:16:50.760 And they're 0.96

00:16:50.960 Kind of

00:16:51.260 Funny

00:16:51.500 If it

00:16:51.740 Wasn't

00:16:51.980 Happening

00:16:52.280 To me

00:16:52.720 I'd

00:16:53.220 Like this

00:16:53.480 Is 0.88

00:16:53.580 Actually

00:16:53.980 Objectively

00:16:54.640 Hilarious

00:16:55.240 The things

00:16:55.580 That you're

00:16:55.860 Doing

00:16:56.060 But

00:16:56.300 We saw

00:16:56.960 The comedy

00:16:57.420 In it

00:16:57.760 Together

00:16:58.120 And it

00:16:58.960 Was

00:16:59.320 Funny

00:16:59.580 But

00:16:59.860 What's

00:17:01.120 Become

00:17:01.380 Clear

00:17:01.620 To me

00:17:02.040 Over time

00:17:02.980 Is that

00:17:03.480 There was

00:17:04.580 A long

00:17:04.960 Swath

00:17:05.460 Where the

00:17:06.180 Church

00:17:06.520 Would focus

00:17:07.540 On

00:17:07.980 Works

00:17:09.020 And

00:17:09.700 Walking the

00:17:10.980 Same path

00:17:11.500 That Jesus

00:17:11.980 Walked

00:17:12.880 The fact

00:17:13.940 That Jesus

00:17:14.360 Died

00:17:14.680 For our

00:17:15.060 Sins 1.00

00:17:15.500 Was

00:17:16.080 Resurrected

00:17:16.900 All of

00:17:17.520 These things

00:17:17.940 Were a

00:17:18.340 Big focal

00:17:18.820 Point

00:17:19.140 But that

00:17:19.780 Other side

00:17:21.560 Of

00:17:22.140 Jesus Christ

00:17:23.420 Giving us

00:17:23.920 The authority

00:17:24.440 To tread

00:17:24.860 On scorpions

00:17:25.900 And serpents

00:17:26.520 That authority

00:17:28.240 Through his

00:17:28.940 Name

00:17:29.320 Over the

00:17:30.140 Spiritual realm

00:17:30.840 Is something

00:17:31.600 That seems

00:17:32.080 To be

00:17:32.680 Not so

00:17:33.500 Focused on

00:17:34.140 Whereas

00:17:34.800 What we

00:17:36.140 Do

00:17:36.500 I think

00:17:38.240 That is

00:17:38.860 Kind of

00:17:40.040 The center

00:17:40.400 Piece

00:17:40.940 And

00:17:41.420 So

00:17:42.240 We are

00:17:43.920 In the

00:17:44.240 West

00:17:44.600 Detached

00:17:45.360 From our

00:17:45.900 Understanding

00:17:46.800 Of the

00:17:47.080 Spiritual realm

00:17:47.700 Even

00:17:48.560 Other

00:17:49.120 Countries

00:17:50.180 Who are

00:17:50.720 Not

00:17:50.880 Christian

00:17:51.240 Countries

00:17:51.800 What you

00:17:53.720 Can say

00:17:54.340 To

00:17:55.500 Their

00:17:56.580 Advantage

00:17:57.060 Is they're

00:17:57.480 Very aware

00:17:58.100 A lot

00:17:58.580 Of these

00:17:58.940 You know

00:17:59.600 Eastern

00:18:00.000 Buddhism 0.96

00:18:00.440 And

00:18:00.980 Hindu

00:18:02.560 Ism 0.99

00:18:03.320 And all

00:18:03.520 These

00:18:03.660 Different

00:18:03.880 Things

00:18:04.180 They're

00:18:04.680 Very

00:18:04.980 Aware

00:18:05.320 That

00:18:05.660 There's

00:18:05.840 A

00:18:05.960 Spiritual

00:18:06.220 Realm

00:18:06.540 And

00:18:07.320 It

00:18:08.220 Seems

00:18:08.480 Like

00:18:08.700 In the

00:18:08.940 West

00:18:09.280 Christianity

00:18:10.400 Even

00:18:10.920 Though

00:18:11.100 That's

00:18:11.320 An

00:18:11.400 Integral

00:18:11.820 Part

00:18:12.200 Of the

00:18:12.720 Experience

00:18:13.220 And of

00:18:13.520 The

00:18:13.660 Bible

00:18:13.900 And of

00:18:14.160 The

00:18:14.260 Story

00:18:14.560 It's

00:18:15.220 It's

00:18:15.660 Almost

00:18:15.880 Pushed

00:18:16.340 To the

00:18:16.560 Side

00:18:16.860 So

00:18:17.360 When you

00:18:17.720 Have

00:18:18.040 Dreams

00:18:18.540 That

00:18:19.900 I agree

00:18:20.800 With

00:18:21.020 With what

00:18:21.400 You're

00:18:21.540 Saying

00:18:21.740 Vicki

00:18:21.980 It's

00:18:22.140 Like

00:18:22.260 Sometimes

00:18:22.520 A dream

00:18:22.900 Is 0.88

00:18:23.040 Just

00:18:23.200 A dream

00:18:23.580 Sometimes

00:18:24.380 It's

00:18:24.600 Not

00:18:24.720 A big

00:18:24.960 Deal

00:18:25.300 But

00:18:26.380 There

00:18:26.560 Are

00:18:26.820 Those

00:18:27.180 That

00:18:27.400 You

00:18:27.480 Come

00:18:27.700 Away

00:18:27.980 From

00:18:28.260 That

00:18:28.520 Dig

00:18:29.580 At

00:18:29.740 You

00:18:29.940 And

00:18:30.380 I

00:18:30.500 Think

00:18:30.680 That

00:18:31.020 That's

00:18:31.420 A

00:18:31.540 Good

00:18:31.860 Indicator

00:18:32.880 That

00:18:33.060 There's

00:18:33.280 Something

00:18:33.560 There

00:18:33.960 But

00:18:34.580 Then

00:18:34.900 It

00:18:36.020 Feels

00:18:36.280 Like

00:18:42.200 Incredibly

00:18:43.560 Impactful

00:18:44.100 Dreams

00:18:44.480 That

00:18:44.740 Were

00:18:44.880 Seemingly

00:18:45.320 Rich

00:18:45.800 With

00:18:46.040 Symbolism

00:18:46.740 And

00:18:47.460 And

00:18:47.900 A

00:18:48.020 Message

00:18:48.460 That

00:18:49.200 To

00:18:49.540 This

00:18:49.740 Day

00:18:49.960 I

00:18:50.140 Still

00:18:50.540 Don't

00:18:51.740 Quite

00:18:52.040 Understand

00:18:52.520 And

00:18:53.160 It

00:18:53.560 Feels

00:18:54.100 Deeply

00:18:56.560 Disturbing

00:18:57.980 On a

00:18:58.400 Spiritual

00:18:58.700 Level

00:18:58.980 Because

00:18:59.240 I

00:18:59.420 Feel

00:18:59.640 As

00:18:59.840 Though

00:18:59.960 I'm

00:19:00.120 Called

00:19:00.420 To

00:19:00.620 Understand

00:19:01.280 But

00:19:01.640 For

00:19:01.800 Whatever

00:19:02.000 Reason

00:19:02.320 Can't

00:19:02.740 And

00:19:02.920 So

00:19:03.340 My

00:19:03.500 Question

00:19:03.800 To

00:19:04.020 You

00:19:04.180 Is 0.88

00:19:04.420 Do

00:19:04.980 You

00:19:05.120 Think

00:19:05.560 That

00:19:06.880 It

00:19:08.220 Is 0.88

00:19:08.500 That

00:19:10.080 Much

00:19:10.320 To

00:19:10.500 Our

00:19:10.720 Detriment

00:19:11.240 Our

00:19:12.180 Detachment

00:19:12.620 From

00:19:12.860 The

00:19:13.000 Spiritual

00:19:13.380 In

00:19:13.900 The

00:19:14.040 West

00:19:14.320 That

00:19:14.920 We

00:19:15.100 Can't

00:19:15.420 Understand

00:19:15.780 These

00:19:16.080 Things

00:19:16.460 That

00:19:16.940 Are

00:19:17.220 Potentially

00:19:18.320 Visions

00:19:19.080 Messages

00:19:20.800 Prophetic

00:19:21.580 Dreams

00:19:22.040 Or

00:19:24.120 Is 0.88

00:19:25.280 There

00:19:25.420 Always

00:19:25.700 Just

00:19:25.900 Going

00:19:26.020 To

00:19:26.060 Be

00:19:26.160 That

00:19:26.340 Element

00:19:26.640 That

00:19:26.840 We

00:19:26.940 Struggle

00:19:27.240 With

00:19:27.460 Despite

00:19:27.880 I

00:19:28.160 Mean

00:19:28.280 You're

00:19:28.500 You're

00:19:28.760 Somebody

00:19:29.060 Who

00:19:29.560 Is 0.88

00:19:31.020 Very

00:19:31.320 Much

00:19:32.440 In

00:19:33.740 Tune

00:19:34.040 With

00:19:34.380 The

00:19:34.980 Spiritual

00:19:36.020 Realm

00:19:36.500 And

00:19:36.920 Makes

00:19:37.420 An

00:19:37.580 Effort

00:19:37.820 Constantly

00:19:38.260 To

00:19:38.420 Try

00:19:38.580 To

00:19:38.700 Understand

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00:23:31.020 No idea what it means. He calls in a group of magi. Again, these are people that probably know

00:23:41.540 how to astral project and go into the spirit realm and directly get their answers from higher beings.

00:23:47.860 All the magi are perplexed. Now, one could argue in that case that God disabled the king and all of

00:24:06.620 his magi to understand and interpret that dream so that he could pave the way for the story where

00:24:11.840 his name was great and et cetera, et cetera. Because in this case, the king wasn't even just

00:24:16.980 saying interpret this dream. He was saying, you tell me what I dreamed. If you're so smart, if you

00:24:21.640 really have access to these entities that know everything, you have to tell me what I dreamed

00:24:26.900 and then interpret it. And of course, no man can do this. And even Daniel, when he was credited for

00:24:34.480 being able to do it, very quickly said, no man can do this. I did this by the power of God. And

00:24:42.020 subsequently, had any of the magi pulled it off, it wouldn't have been their power either.

00:24:47.220 It would have taken direct communication with the spirit realm to have gotten an accurate

00:24:52.800 interpretation of this. So likewise with us, if we are really accessing other dimensions,

00:25:02.940 when we dream, if we are physically in some way, part of us is leaving our body and we are experiencing

00:25:10.740 a real experience somewhere in another dimension, whether you call it the astral realm or the high

00:25:17.720 places or the heavenly places or the third heaven or all these different metaverses that everyone's

00:25:22.160 talking about. If on some level, we are truly there in those spaces, interacting with those people.

00:25:34.060 What makes me really nervous with the modern evangelical church who thinks they have a grasp on dream 1.00

00:25:45.680 interpretation, is if you use the scripture as an example, Daniel, Peter with his vision of the sheet,

00:25:57.020 John on the island of Patmos with the apocalypse revelation, Ezekiel being transported from the river

00:26:04.580 Kibar to Jerusalem and seeing all the things going on underneath the temple. In all of these cases,

00:26:11.360 they were going to real places being shown real things. It wasn't just a dream. They weren't stoned.

00:26:17.080 They, you know, they, they didn't trip on Benadryl. Like they were actually taken to Jerusalem. They were

00:26:24.280 under the temple. So even though Ezekiel's physical body is still asleep by the river Kibar in Babylon,

00:26:32.120 he at that moment is in the basement levels underneath the temple in Jerusalem, being shown things that are

00:26:38.460 actually there. This is like an out of body experience type of a thing. But what's interesting

00:26:43.660 to me about Moses and Abraham and Ezekiel and John and Peter, Paul with the vision to the third heaven.

00:26:53.380 For the most part, all of these men came back, wrote about their experiences and didn't really know

00:27:01.100 how to describe what they saw or what they saw or what it meant. And in fact, Daniel

00:27:06.620 and John, both

00:27:09.160 basically were perplexed over things and, and the angel or the angel of the Lord or God or whoever in that particular

00:27:15.360 instance, they were talking to said, don't worry about it.

00:27:18.240 Don't write that down, John. Don't even write that down.

00:27:21.220 Daniel.

00:27:21.540 Daniel was dead before some of that stuff came to pass. And many of the prophets died before they saw

00:27:33.480 Oh, Vicki, I think we just lost you for a second. Yeah, your, your mic automatically muted.

00:27:42.600 Yeah, my mic just muted. All right. So this is what makes me really nervous about modern people.

00:27:51.540 Most people, they wake up from a dream. And exactly like you said, Dave, they they're like,

00:27:59.200 something was different about that. That wasn't just a dream. That wasn't just the pizza I ate

00:28:02.680 before I went to bed. There was something very spiritual there. There was a lot of symbols in

00:28:06.440 that. I woke up perplexed. I woke up exhausted. I was geo hopping all over the place in those dreams.

00:28:14.920 I was being shown all these things. Like there's all these things that you kind of like,

00:28:18.220 that's something more than just a dream. But I noticed two things about people that have these

00:28:23.920 types of dreams often. They immediately within 30 minutes of waking up, know what every single

00:28:30.100 part of that dream means. And it usually is 100% to their benefit and fits perfectly in with all of

00:28:36.700 the things in their life at that moment that they want and that they're waiting for. And if you look

00:28:42.400 at scripture, Daniel, look, Daniel had a lot going on in his life. He was exiled from Jerusalem. He's in

00:28:50.160 a foreign land, speaking a foreign language. He'll never see his parents again. He's probably a eunuch.

00:28:57.120 So he got castrated. He doesn't have a wife and kids. He isn't going to have a legacy. He's enslaved. 0.91

00:29:03.400 He's working for an occult king who has no sense of respect for his religion. He has no access to the

00:29:11.640 temple anymore. So according to his religion, he doesn't even have access to going in and offering

00:29:18.820 his sacrifices that he needs for... The guy's got a lot on his mind, okay? And God comes to him and he

00:29:28.720 doesn't get his own personal little poem reading or fortune like, Daniel, don't worry that I've got a

00:29:34.780 perfect spouse waiting for you. And oh, Daniel, don't worry, you're going to get that job promotion.

00:29:41.200 He comes to Daniel and unfolds eternal purposes and behind the scenes sneak peeks at a seed war that's

00:29:55.120 been going on since Genesis 3. It's above and beyond his understanding. It is not personally

00:30:02.160 in that moment relative to just his life. And a lot of these things, even if you go to the dreams

00:30:10.320 and the visions and the prophecies and the angelic visitations that were very personal, like say,

00:30:16.640 Mary, you are going to have a baby, right? That was personal to her.

00:30:25.120 But it affected the entire world once you realized who that baby was, right? And same thing with

00:30:30.740 Elizabeth. Zachariah got a vision in the temple. Your wife's going to have a baby. You're going to 0.57

00:30:38.540 name it John. And so extremely personal to him and his family. Think about the conversations over

00:30:47.060 decades of marriage. Think how many times he held his crying wife because she was infertile. And all her 0.99

00:30:51.700 friends were having babies and christenings and baby showers. And she was on the sidelines. Like think

00:30:57.020 how absolutely personal that was to Zachariah and his wife. But it had eternal implications for the

00:31:04.560 unfolding of redemptive history because John was the forerunner to the Messiah. So he had a purpose.

00:31:11.960 He had a calling. It's thousands of years later. We're still talking about John.

00:31:15.620 So this idea that dreams or prophetic dreams or visions or angelic visitations, because I do believe

00:31:27.180 that there are people that have sleep paralysis like experiences. I think they're more rare, but I

00:31:32.340 think that you can still have a visitation where the Lord is showing you something or telling you

00:31:38.380 something. I'm not a sensationalist. But I think we have to be careful because I am seeing a lot of this

00:31:50.500 kind of extreme charismatic movements like the NAR and things like that, where dream interpretation

00:31:58.740 is becoming almost equal with what in Rome they had. Like they had augury in Rome, which was

00:32:07.960 divination. So if you go back to Rome, you know, where they would go into the temples of Zeus and

00:32:13.100 Jupiter, and they would have these Jupiter stones. They would have these like legitimately, probably

00:32:18.380 meteorite fragments, and they would use them kind of as like the Lord of the Rings Palantir, right?

00:32:24.460 They would worship this thing. They would feed it. They would bathe it. They would speak to it. They

00:32:29.800 would use it as a tool of augury. And they would use it to select Senate seats and to make law and to 0.81

00:32:36.300 make government, but they would also use it in judgment. So people would come in with their cases

00:32:41.420 against their neighbor, and they would use this stone in much the same way, perhaps, as the umim and 0.98

00:32:46.680 thumim in the Old Testament, where they had these stones that could legitimately be used as a

00:32:55.960 communication device. Like they could tell the will of God through these stones. And that's why

00:33:03.320 this is an entirely more interesting discussion on Christian mysticism. There's a whole bunch of

00:33:09.900 things that there's a whole bunch of babies that Christians have thrown out with the bathwater 0.99

00:33:14.160 because all crystals are bad, all stones are bad, and all this is bad. But you have to acknowledge the

00:33:22.800 fact that Moses had a staff that could part water and turn into serpents. And square that one for me,

00:33:34.500 church. You know, we have an Ark of the Covenant that is made out of all of the right conductive

00:33:44.300 properties where it actually creates electricity, where if you touch it, you get electrocuted and die.

00:33:50.480 Well, why did he have to be carried around in something like that? What's the purpose of that?

00:33:55.240 And then, you know, you look at this umim and thumim, which were like these stones. You look at 0.96

00:33:59.660 the stones in the breastplate, all of this stuff. Oh, look at the blue cord that runs through the

00:34:07.980 tzitzits that the men in the camp would wear. The men in leadership and the men would wear these

00:34:12.000 fringes on their garments, and it would have a blue cord running through it. Even that, guys,

00:34:16.900 I think there's a massively supernatural element going on here. This is my own theory.

00:34:25.540 Moses comes down from the mountain. The original stones were carved out of the floor of heaven,

00:34:32.940 which we are told is like sapphire. But if you actually do your research, it was lapis lazuli,

00:34:39.040 because that would have been the ancient. And that ties into the mountain of God in Enoch 18,

00:34:44.820 that is in the center with the other mountains surrounding it. There are many biblical and

00:34:52.680 apocryphal references to the mountain of God, the throne of God being either the stone or the

00:35:00.900 volcanic material of fire coming out of it being as lapis lazuli. So Yahweh, which I tend to believe 1.00

00:35:10.000 is the pre-incarnate Messiah, carves two stones out of the floor of heaven. We're talking lapis lazuli.

00:35:17.380 Moses comes down, sees the sin of the golden calf, smashes those tablets, does his stuff, goes back

00:35:25.000 up. The second time the stones aren't cut out from the floor of heaven, he cuts them out of the mountain.

00:35:30.500 Now they're just on regular stone, sandstone or whatever that was, right? Okay. He comes down now

00:35:37.260 with the law, with the covenant, with the Torah. For the very first time, he reads the whole of the

00:35:44.180 Torah to the people and they say, we agree, we'll do it. One of the things in that covenant that they

00:35:52.080 learned about was men, you're going to get tassels and you're going to hang them from the four corners 0.98

00:35:58.000 of your prayer shawl, but you're going to string a blue cord through it to remind you of the commandments,

00:36:03.640 to remind you to obey. Well, that's why it's blue because the original tablets of the law were

00:36:10.900 lapis lazuli. So when they saw that blue cord, it reminded them of the law because the law was

00:36:16.540 originally on blue stone. But here is where it gets even more interesting, supernatural. This is where

00:36:24.560 Christians start to get nervous because it sounds new agey, but here's the deal. 1.00

00:36:28.900 They're in the middle of the desert. Where do they get enough blue dye to dye a bunch of threads

00:36:38.400 so that every man in the camp, hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, where do you get enough blue

00:36:46.120 dye to make four cords for each man in the camp? Well, the way the ancients made blue dye 0.97

00:36:55.360 was by grinding lapis lazuli down to powder and making a dye out of it. So we now have blue cords

00:37:04.700 in the fringes of Moses and Aaron's garments and in the leaders of the Hebrew camp that was cut

00:37:12.580 from the floor of heaven, which was likely the mountain or the throne of God. We now have

00:37:20.200 a heavenly out of place object on earth. We have a fragment of the throne of God

00:37:30.380 ground into powder and woven into the very fabric of their clothing. Now you say, why did these people

00:37:41.400 for 40 years not age? Why did their sandals not wear out? How did Caleb at 85 years old slay

00:37:50.740 Nephilim giants three times his size when he has the strength that he had at 40? Why in the New

00:37:59.100 Testament, when women who were sick and couldn't be healed grabbed onto the fringes of Jesus's garment, 0.95

00:38:08.120 his zitzits, why did they get healed miraculously by just touching a blue cord? How come it says in

00:38:16.460 scripture that there's healing in his wings? He's not a bird. It's the fringes of his garment.

00:38:23.480 There's something deeply magical about this, right? So a little bit-

00:38:30.840 Can I pause you right there?

00:38:32.040 Please do. Please do.

00:38:33.140 I just want to take an opportunity, and I hate to do this to people because Vicki Joy Anderson is 0.80

00:38:37.360 labeling gravy on us right now. I'm totally locked in, man. But unfortunately for the main viewing

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00:39:06.380 Or scan the QR code on the screen. Correct. Otherwise, this episode will drop in its entirety

00:39:11.480 in the next couple of days. And before I let you continue, Vicki, I just want to say that

00:39:16.220 we are delving into something that even I struggle with, right? This concept of mysticism within

00:39:23.080 Christianity, I do think that there's very much a baby with the bathwater situation going on here, 1.00

00:39:29.720 like you've expressed only moments ago. And it's something that, and this episode is going to do

00:39:36.940 this to people, it's very polarizing. For some reason, to start to connect the ideas of mysticism,

00:39:45.320 um, magical artifacts, things of that nature with, um, with the Bible. And very much in a blanket way,

00:39:54.940 we are told to abstain from all of these things. And, uh, and I, and I do often feel like that is a

00:40:01.000 mistake, but I do agree with the sentiments that when you explore these things, you should be, um,

00:40:07.700 soliciting Jesus Christ for guidance, you know, in order to stay in God's, you know, alignment with

00:40:13.520 his will. Uh, but these are things that need to be explored. And there is another side to this coin

00:40:18.740 that is very willing to explore and exploit these mystic, uh, principles. And, um, I think that

00:40:26.900 very, the, the thing to keep in mind here is that these principles and these, these artifacts and this

00:40:32.540 mysticism, these fallen entities cannot create, they can only invert God's creation. Um, and so if these

00:40:40.060 principles are here, if this magic, for lack of a better term is here, uh, I suspect that the bad

00:40:48.560 surrounding it is an inversion and that there is a way to appeal to these things that is in alignment

00:40:53.740 with God's will. But, uh, please stop. Can I, can I ask before, yeah, before you continue, um,

00:40:59.340 we were talking about the rocks or these stones that, that may have come from heaven. Um, when Moses hits 0.63

00:41:04.580 the rock and he's punished by God, is that it, uh, would you, I mean, obviously this God is speaking

00:41:10.940 through a rock or do you think that there's something to this? Like, I mean, he's actually

00:41:14.820 striking God, like there's metaphysical properties to that rock there. Yeah. So I've always heard

00:41:22.620 kind of the metaphorical or the allegorical reason why that was such a, he never made it into the

00:41:29.360 promised land because of that. Imagine losing. It seemed weird, right? I was like, he's like,

00:41:34.620 that's like, he just kind of got upset one time, but if you're thinking about it differently. Yeah.

00:41:39.560 So what's going on there is the first time. So Moses was a shadow and type of Christ. And that's why 0.96

00:41:50.200 you have so many parallels between the two of them. Moses was laying the groundwork so that when

00:41:55.800 the children of God were presented with the Messiah thousands of years later, they would see that he

00:42:02.520 was fulfilling. We always say he fulfilled the law, right? But he fulfilled the law of Moses. He,

00:42:09.420 he actually walked in the footsteps. So he came out of Egypt. You never, Jesus had to go into Egypt,

00:42:15.500 you know, to escape his, for his life. And then when the Pharaoh, um, when the king died,

00:42:20.700 he came out of Egypt and he fasted for 40 days in, in the wilderness, which is the 40 years in the,

00:42:28.120 in the wilderness. And so there's all these parallels. So Jesus is basically going to fulfill

00:42:34.360 every single thing that Moses laid down. So it's, it's integral that Moses obeys everything that is

00:42:42.180 being taught to him, because if he messes up the metaphor, uh, it's going to mess up the metaphor

00:42:49.120 later on as well. Right? So when he struck the rock and the living waters came out of the rock,

00:42:58.720 it was a allegory of the Messiah, Jesus Christ is going to come manifest as a human being.

00:43:07.520 He is going to be the rock and he is going to be struck on the cross. He's going to die.

00:43:15.000 But out of that striking, he will give living waters to the nations. And if they drink of him,

00:43:23.060 they will be saved. So when Moses struck the rock a second time, he destroyed the metaphor because

00:43:29.880 Christ died once and for all. And so it, it messed up the metaphor. Now that doesn't make it any more

00:43:40.320 easy for us as human beings to navigate through the seemingly disproportionate punishment, dude,

00:43:50.380 Moses was this nice guy. He was doing everything he could. He had all this responsibility on his

00:43:55.060 shoulders. He, he saw, you know, the, the hind quarters of God. Again, I think that was the 0.70

00:44:01.040 pre-incarnate Messiah that he saw and that he was interacting with in the bush and things like that.

00:44:06.060 But the fact of the matter is, well, you know, God's a God of grace and he forgives us and like

00:44:12.200 give Moses a free, doesn't Moses get one free pass? Like he doesn't even get to see the promised land

00:44:17.760 because he struck the rock. You know, but, but yeah, is there something even more deeply metaphysical

00:44:26.620 going on there with, with the rock? I don't know. I've never thought of that before. I would have to,

00:44:32.680 I would have to look at that, but you know, as a writer, I had to read all of these books. And

00:44:39.160 when, when you're writing fiction, there's a type of an author where they're really good at making

00:44:47.860 things other than people, characters in their book. Now, a good example of this writing style

00:44:57.320 is Tolkien, the ring was a character, you know, there, there were certain places in his, his book

00:45:05.940 that were, they were part of the characters like tree beard, you know, and even you could say certain

00:45:13.460 like gates of cities and things like that. So what's fascinating where I'm going with that is

00:45:19.200 in the Bible, it appears to me that mountains are characters. They're more than just geological

00:45:31.600 formations that appear here and there. When you look at the mysticism surrounding mountains,

00:45:40.020 Mount Moriah, when you look at the Mount of Olives, when you look at Mount Hermon being an obvious one,

00:45:45.780 right? You have a lot of connections with interdimensional travel and these mountains.

00:45:55.280 So we are dealing with, uh, stargates here or portals to use more modern terminology. Uh, we have, um,

00:46:05.320 let's go to Mount of Olives for an example, cause I love this one. This one fascinates me

00:46:09.220 long before the Mount of Olives became a main character with Jesus. Cause Jesus was always hanging

00:46:15.060 around up there. Right. Ezekiel is at the river Kibar in Babylon. He's, he's some, I think he's like

00:46:22.600 24, 25 years into the 70 year dispersion there. Right. He's taken up, he's caught up and he's brought

00:46:31.220 to Jerusalem where he's then shown things going on in the temple steps and Ezekiel eight, you know,

00:46:36.980 where he sees what's going on underneath the underground and stuff. But it says that when he

00:46:43.040 enters and departs Jerusalem, it's through the mountain on the East. So that's the Mount of Olives.

00:46:50.600 So Ezekiel, his body is still there at the river Kibar. If people had approached him, it would have

00:46:58.380 looked like he was asleep there at the side of the, of the river, but some part of his spirit,

00:47:05.000 soul, you know, chi, whatever worldview you want to call that aspect. It's taken out of his body

00:47:12.440 and it's brought to Jerusalem via the Mount of Olives. Thousands of years later, we have Jesus

00:47:21.960 who ascends back into heaven after his resurrection on the Mount of Olives. We have prophetic texts that

00:47:33.720 talk about when Jesus returns, he's going to set foot on the Mount of Olives. And I'm going to add

00:47:40.780 another piece to this, that not a lot of people know for those of us who have been to Israel,

00:47:45.700 there's a, they take you to this garden tomb and it's this beautiful little serene place where they

00:47:50.080 think likely this is where Jesus was buried. Uh, but according to the work of Rabbi Zev Perat,

00:47:57.880 a Messianic Jew, his book, something, uh, it's something like, uh, unmasking

00:48:06.300 the Chaldean spirit. It's something about unmasking the Chaldean spirit. He devotes numerous chapters 0.97

00:48:15.520 in the book. Now this is a guy born and raised in Israel, native speaker of Hebrew, reads the Bible

00:48:22.940 in Hebrew and has access to, to the Holy land, right? He dedicates several chapters in his book

00:48:30.140 to an extremely credible theory that Jesus was buried on the Mount of Olives. So now we have his

00:48:42.280 descension down into Tartarus for three days happening on Mount of Olives. We have his

00:48:51.460 resurrecting on Mount of Olives. We have his returning again on the Mount of Olives. And we have Ezekiel

00:48:58.720 going back and forth between Babylon and Jerusalem via the Mount of Olives. So when you look at

00:49:07.420 Hermon, 200 watchers who left their first estate are dimensionally able to come into the physical

00:49:14.600 realm and interact with humanity by coming down Mount Hermon. And I'm sure many of your listeners

00:49:21.960 are savvy enough to know, uh, the, the parts of Mount Hermon to this day that have UN territorial space.

00:49:30.660 There's plaques up there that talk about, this is where the covenant was made that, you know,

00:49:35.260 they might've moved that stone to a museum. Uh, Derek and Sharon Gilbert talk about it. There,

00:49:41.280 there was at one point a monumental stone on top of, uh, Hermon that if you translated it,

00:49:49.220 it basically said, this is where the watchers came down and made a covenant. Uh, also interesting

00:49:55.500 that I'm sure a lot of your listeners know at the foot, at the base of Hermon is Pan's Grotto.

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00:51:28.740 the, now this is what's interesting. And I'm, I'm veering a little bit onto a different,

00:51:34.980 oh, thank you. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. We have Pan and Pan's Grotto, which was kind of believed to be

00:51:44.880 the gateway to hell there. Jesus is having his discussion with Peter before, um, Jesus transfigures.

00:51:54.160 Now that scholars disagree on where the transfiguration was. I tend to enjoy this, uh,

00:52:00.680 interpretation the best. He transfigures into his glory on Mount Hermon. Now, theologically,

00:52:08.880 that makes more sense to me because he's basically given the middle finger to his enemy, whose gates

00:52:15.740 are at the base of this mountain. So before they ascend up this mountain, he says to Peter three

00:52:20.740 times, who do you say that I am? You are the Christ, the son of the living God. You are the Christ,

00:52:25.020 the son of the living God. You are the Christ, the son of the living God, declaring it in your face,

00:52:30.960 Pan, right in front of, and then what does Jesus say? Upon this profession, I will build my,

00:52:36.720 my church and the gates of hell right there will not prevail against it. He's talking right there

00:52:42.980 about the gates of hell. Then they, they go up this mountain, this mountain that facilitated

00:52:48.920 the very need for, for the flood and for the covenants and for the Messiah. Jesus is there to fulfill

00:52:59.180 his purpose. He goes to the top of the very hill that the watchers came down and transfigures into

00:53:08.700 his glory. Then he does the same thing. After he dies, he descends into Tartarus. He's not going to

00:53:15.500 Abraham's bosom. He's not going to Sheol. He's not going down and giving a Sunday school lesson to

00:53:20.720 Abraham and all of the Christians who died, even though there was no such thing as Christianity. 0.82

00:53:24.680 He, he, he, he, he was descending beyond Sheol down into the lower parts of the earth. He was in 0.98

00:53:32.680 Tartarus. He was in the place. He was in the abyss where the watchers were held in prison until the

00:53:40.980 end times. He got the keys to death in Hades. He, he went down and he told them game over. You guys lost.

00:53:51.120 It's done. And so we, we see all of these

00:53:55.460 interdimensional travel between the physical realm and these lower parts of the earth and the astral

00:54:09.700 realms and the third heaven that a lot of these travel experiences were facilitated

00:54:19.200 on mountains. And something that I, I do see a lot of, we're starting to touch on the idea of

00:54:27.340 these stargates, which are prevalent in a lot of ancient civilizations. Um, a lot of it, we don't

00:54:35.720 know what it's for. Um, but now there seems to be a big school of thought emerging around these,

00:54:42.960 that this is for dimensional travel. And it's, it makes me wonder if this was the case once upon a

00:54:52.680 time and it's not the case anymore. And the reason I say that is because when you have things like

00:54:58.220 CERN, which is a very popular, um, talking point when it comes to this sort of thing, interdimensional

00:55:02.580 travel gates, uh, portals being opened up, it seems to me that they're dumping a significant

00:55:11.020 amount of time and energy potentially into creating a technological advancement that would allow them

00:55:16.360 to traverse dimensionally, which then begs the question, are those not available for whether or

00:55:23.820 not it was available ever for human beings? Um, is one thing, but are these things not accessible

00:55:29.400 anymore? Meaning I understand that they have bases. The UN has bases on, on Mount Hermon and,

00:55:36.540 um, and there are all these plaques and everything, but I can't help, but wonder if it's sort of a

00:55:42.300 non-functioning thing anymore. And now they're, they're trying to resurrect that technology. They're

00:55:46.840 trying to, you know, sort of tower of babble it, if you will, for lack of a better expression. Um,

00:55:53.460 but they're doing it underground and a large particle accelerator, or they're doing it, um,

00:56:01.620 ritualistically, you know, sort of the way that maybe a coven would, um, with enough energy,

00:56:07.780 negative energy, things of that nature. There are all these stories anecdotally, sure, but they do

00:56:14.880 compile together to start to paint a pretty compelling case that there are efforts being made in various

00:56:20.620 military base locations. Um, oftentimes it seems that there are children involved in these experiments,

00:56:27.560 uh, enough so that it's given rise to theories that through ritual and through trauma, you could

00:56:35.040 potentially open portals. This is something that... Well, it does seem like elevation. Elevation plays a

00:56:40.280 role in it, right? So like mountains, mountains are high up, but now it's all cavernous cave system

00:56:46.380 stuff. Like that's where a lot of this, this, uh, these portals, inter- dimensionality, a lot of

00:56:52.560 these stories come from weird cavernous places, specifically Indiana. Um, so there has to be

00:56:58.160 something to that, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I, okay. I love the way that this conversation is shifting

00:57:05.520 because I totally agree with you. If they knew how to open the portal that they were really looking to

00:57:13.000 open, we'd be finished. I mean, we, it would be world war three at this point, because if you go

00:57:18.620 back to, as you perfectly, you know, coined it, babbling it, right? Cause we do know that that's,

00:57:25.960 that's ultimately, they weren't trying to build a skyscraper. They were trying to penetrate the,

00:57:29.920 the throne room. And we get more of an insight into what they were doing by reading the tower of

00:57:37.000 Babel account in the book of Jubilees. It flat out says what they were planning on doing. And

00:57:44.400 their, their agenda is very closely paralleled to the I wills of Satan in Isaiah. We will ascend the

00:57:54.400 heavens. We will take over the throne. They, we will kill God. We will take over the scepter of planet

00:58:02.020 earth. We will rule. And, and so they were attempting to storm heaven. And we know this

00:58:08.800 is the goal because go to, go to the book of revelation. They finally get up there and they

00:58:12.900 have a war. That's what they've been waiting their whole life for. And so, um, with, with

00:58:19.080 their let in though, in the book of revelation, whereas like, it kind of makes me wonder for the

00:58:24.620 tower of Babel, if they were able to storm heaven, there's a, I'm like, why was God like what? God was

00:58:30.780 like destroyed that. He's like, no, you're not doing that. It's like, was that actually

00:58:33.780 a threat was like, yes. Were you worried about that? So I don't think so. Cause I really am

00:58:39.360 liking this idea that they've been closed off, which is why they're so desperately doing all

00:58:43.860 these rituals and coming up with all of this technology in the book of Jubilees. As they

00:58:49.620 attempt to ascend into heaven, they shoot arrows at the sky, which is to me, like, uh, Elon

00:58:57.780 Musk shooting all these things that honestly, uh, you know, not to derail you, but it looks

00:59:02.140 like his, his ships are crashing up against, you know, the permanent or something like that.

00:59:06.240 Yes. Legitimately looks like a splash effect of something making an impact against an invisible

00:59:10.960 barrier. Yes. You didn't derail me at all. You took the words right out of my mouth.

00:59:17.280 Arrows to heaven, rockets to heaven. What are they trying to do here? Right now here, here's,

00:59:24.040 here's, what's interesting in the book of Jubilees, the arrows return to earth soaked in blood.

00:59:33.600 Now that's interesting. It almost makes me wonder, and I mean this with the deepest amount of respect,

00:59:40.000 if, if Jesus Christ was the original troll, just trolling them. Cause you know, nothing and you

00:59:46.360 know, nothing like that, you know, nobody in heaven got killed, you know, it's not like anybody really

00:59:50.980 got shot. Right. So it's almost like, and I'm going to, I'm going to bring this back to Psalm two,

00:59:55.440 cause this is one of my favorite passages. Um, Psalm two, all of the power brokers of the world

01:00:03.520 are sitting around this table plotting how that they, how they are going to ascend to heaven and 0.70

01:00:09.500 kill Jesus Christ. Right. Uh, and that's the whole triumph at the end. God's like, I will establish 0.99

01:00:15.860 my son's throne no matter what you do, but this is the part I love. It says that God laughs at them.

01:00:26.760 But what, what's interesting about this laughter, I think there are two or three times total in

01:00:32.380 scripture, twice in the Psalms. And once I want to say Isaiah, but don't quote me on that. There are

01:00:38.520 three times in scripture where we are told that God laughs in all three contexts, he's laughing in the

01:00:47.360 face of enemies that are directly pointing weapons at him. And in all three cases, what

01:00:55.560 lost you muted there for a second. Yeah. Okay. Okay. In all three cases, we have

01:01:05.280 it muted again. What very strange. It's the Nephilim. I'm going to go ahead and say it.

01:01:13.500 They don't want us to hear it, whatever it is. I always like, I love when the tech goes out.

01:01:20.660 I love when the tech goes out. Cause it's like, okay, we must be on track here. Okay. Yes. Over

01:01:25.340 the target. That's right. There's three cases in scripture where wicked men plot to destroy

01:01:34.480 the kingdom of Jesus Christ. We're going to get them off his throne in all three cases. That's right.

01:01:41.820 In all three cases, God's response is laughter. We're going to talk about that perhaps a poor 1.00

01:01:52.960 biblical interpretation in a second. And then in all three cases, once the laughter has emitted from

01:01:58.520 heaven, which is a frequency, we have not only the plots of the wicked failing, but we have their own

01:02:06.020 weapons turning on them. And I am just wondering if this laughter of God

01:02:12.920 has more to do with frequency than, than sound. Like, I don't know. I don't necessarily think God's

01:02:21.260 up there going like Santa. Right. But, um, we see elsewhere in scripture that when the voice of God

01:02:28.940 is heard from heaven, I think there's two or three times where human beings hear the voice of God from

01:02:33.680 heaven. This is my son in whom I'm well pleased. And then there's another occasion where, uh, the, uh,

01:02:39.200 God speaks from heaven. And Jesus said, it was not for my benefit that, um, you heard it's for your

01:02:43.920 benefit that you heard this. Um, Oh, it's when, um, Jesus said, glorify your name. And father said,

01:02:50.280 I will glorify it. I have glorified it and I will glorify it again. And then Jesus says that that audible

01:02:56.020 voice was for your benefit, not mine. Right. And so there's actually only three occasions in

01:03:03.440 scripture where human beings hear the voice of God, the father. Now that's controversial because

01:03:09.320 there's a lot of Lords and Yahwehs and gods all over scripture, but you have to understand from

01:03:15.620 the vowel renderings and the Nazaretic text from the original Hebrew and that Yahweh and Yahweh,

01:03:23.080 depending upon the vowel leanings, it can be Yehovah or it can be Yehovi. And many of the times that

01:03:28.960 we're told in church that God is talking or God is doing this, it's actually the pre-incarnate Messiah

01:03:34.120 that is at play there. And so that makes, that confuses and distorts and throws off so much

01:03:42.000 evangelical Christian theology because we're thinking we're dealing with God and we're actually,

01:03:47.140 we're, we're dealing with Jesus more times than we think. So there are many times in scripture where we

01:03:54.140 hear the voice of God and the crowds are divided because some think it's an angelic voice and some

01:04:01.840 think it's thunder. And so if you actually look at the decibel level, I think, I think the average

01:04:09.240 decibel level of thunder is 120 decibels. And if you compare that to the decibels of uproarious,

01:04:16.920 very loud, obnoxious laughter, it, it plugs in very close. And if you have like a visual of a sound

01:04:23.360 wave of the frequency and you compare and contrast a sound wave of thunder and a sound wave of uproarious

01:04:29.920 laughter, they look very similar. So I don't think this is just my ignorant theorizing. I don't think 0.80

01:04:37.960 that it's really communicating an emotion there that God's up there laughing or mocking or being mean

01:04:43.820 or being passive aggressive. Uh, I, I think that it actually is saying the Lord utters his voice. He utters a command

01:04:55.100 and the frequency to the best of human understanding is mimicking laughter because that's the decibel level

01:05:03.780 we're at, but I don't think, I don't think we're dealing with God laughing at people. I think we're

01:05:10.280 dealing with a missile defense system. You're going to shoot your arrows and your rockets up here.

01:05:16.600 Nice try. All he has to say is no, or, you know, whatever word he wants. And if that's going to sound

01:05:24.400 like laughter to us or sound like if it's going to register on all of our high tech equipment as laughter

01:05:30.200 or thunder, whatever, you call it, whatever you want human beings with your limited English language,

01:05:34.300 but it really is. I think the voice of God, which is acting as a missile defense system. And I'm not

01:05:41.560 going to pretend for one second to understand all of this. I'm talking above my pay grade here, but

01:05:46.040 from what little I know about sonar, which is all, uh, using frequencies to destroy the path of missiles

01:05:55.340 and things like that. And, but this is like underwater kind of stuff, right? When you look at Jesus

01:06:01.860 coming on the clouds, he's always coming on the clouds, right? And, and even that

01:06:09.100 you, you've got these 551 ton clouds, full of water, full of condensation, full, you know?

01:06:20.560 So again, I just think that this concept of Jesus is just like standing with his little

01:06:28.180 sandaled feet on a puppy little cloud. Cause it just makes really good painting. Like everything

01:06:33.340 about that, all about the clouds, all of the stuff that have to do with frequency and condensation

01:06:40.260 and science and all of this. I believe that even the reason he's standing on the clouds is because

01:06:48.060 his voice, the frequency of his voice as he utters commands have different powers and capabilities

01:06:57.280 when he's standing in 50, 551 tons of condensation than he would, if he was just sitting on a throne

01:07:03.040 up in heaven, that there's, there's aspects, um, of when you, when you're introducing water and air

01:07:09.300 and air pressure and height and, um, you know, how many miles or kilometers you're up in the sky

01:07:15.020 and, and the frequencies and the different frequencies that are admitting. And so with

01:07:19.540 this whole CERN thing, I do believe that ultimately what they're trying to do is bust open the portal

01:07:27.820 that brings them into the third heaven. That's the, I will of Satan. I will storm the throne room.

01:07:35.440 So put your money where your mouth is Satan. Oh, he's there in the book of Job. So Satan just

01:07:41.160 comes and goes into heaven anytime he wants, like it's revolving door. I don't even know if that's

01:07:47.000 the same guy. You guys, Satan is just the Hebrew word for adversary. You think God's got one adversary.

01:07:53.000 He's got millions of them. It seemed like a job title. Um, yes, it's, it's a job title. And so

01:07:58.760 I believe that if the Satan were all talking about the one who wants the scepter of the kingdom of God,

01:08:04.440 if he could go into heaven anytime he wanted, he'd be there. This would be done. This would be taken

01:08:12.220 care of. The fact is to your point, original Dave, your original point, they can't get into the third

01:08:18.720 heaven. They can't get us. They can get as far as the astral, but that's no good. Uh, I, I don't think

01:08:28.100 that they can get into, into heaven. And when they do finally storm heaven and they get in it, uh,

01:08:35.480 it's going to be because God set out a welcome mat and said, come and get it boys.

01:08:40.620 That's my feeling too. Uh, I I'd, I'd like to get your thoughts on, on this because we're talking

01:08:44.740 about God and his throne being in the highest of places. Um, top and I have stumbled upon something,

01:08:51.520 uh, in great part because of Tony Merkel's research, but also because of our own personal

01:08:58.080 experiences with, um, a guest that we had who shared their, their, their testimony with us.

01:09:05.060 And seemingly what's happening is there are groups of people. We're talking about God's throne being

01:09:12.060 in the highest place. Uh, and so the inversion of that would be that these fallen, um, which I

01:09:17.940 imagine have several thrones, uh, they're in low places and localities because they're not omnipresent

01:09:23.940 like God. So in Indiana, in Southern Indiana, there are an alarming amount of people in that area

01:09:32.920 expressing something having happened to them that they all share in common. And many of them don't

01:09:41.420 know each other. And that is that they have a dream or a vision. Some of them are very much okay

01:09:49.680 with it being much more than a vision, but an actual reality, something that they experienced

01:09:53.300 of being recruited or at least, um, given the opportunity to be recruited by ball and that

01:10:04.440 ball will offer them this opportunity in his throne room. And that this throne room is underground

01:10:11.880 and one or two times you hear that story and you go, that's fascinating. Four, five, seven

01:10:19.760 times you hear that story and you start to say something's happening here. When you find

01:10:25.420 out that all these people live in the same state, in the same part of the state, now I think it's

01:10:31.520 time to investigate. So what I first discovered was that this part of Indiana happens to be over

01:10:39.920 the largest cave system in certainly United States, but I suspect North America. Um, and it runs

01:10:48.960 primarily through the Appalachia mountains, but it stretches all the way to Illinois. And where all

01:10:56.840 these people are is over a segment of this cave system. This cave system, by the way, is one that if

01:11:04.260 you lie the, a map of missing persons over a map of the cave systems, they align, uh, perfectly. So

01:11:14.440 the highest density of missing persons in the United States of America also happens to be in alignment

01:11:20.200 with the highest density of cave systems in the United States of America. And so on a whim, I said,

01:11:27.380 oftentimes we name a place because of its spiritual significance. In other words, you'll hear of a

01:11:36.420 town with a road and that road is called, you know, um, the, the crone's claw or something like

01:11:45.340 that. You know what I mean? And it's like, well, why is it called that? And then you find out that

01:11:48.960 there's a tremendous amount of lore associated with the area. Like the fact that people, uh, see what

01:11:53.880 they think is a witch or children go missing or something like that. So I decided to start looking

01:11:59.100 for in that area, um, any place that had an interesting name. And immediately I, I came upon

01:12:06.260 just to the West of Southern Indiana, a place in Illinois called Garden of the Gods, which I thought

01:12:15.820 was significant because you have the Garden of God or the Garden of Eden, right? And then you have the

01:12:21.320 Garden of the Gods, which is they emulate and they invert. It's what they do. And so I thought there may

01:12:27.500 be some significance to that place. If you look it up, it's, it's a pretty remarkable place. A lot of

01:12:33.400 really beautiful, um, stone formations, but a tremendous amount of cave systems. And the next

01:12:42.300 logical step was to see if there was any bizarre sightings around the area, cryptids and things like

01:12:47.280 that turns out there's a plethora of Bigfoot sightings and pretty much any other cryptid that

01:12:51.380 you could imagine as well as UFOs and things like that. So basically what I'm getting at is we're

01:12:56.120 starting to paint this picture. There's a tremendous amount of cave systems. There's this idea of the

01:13:00.180 throne room of, throne room of ball. Um, and there is the, the, the garden of the gods in this location.

01:13:09.140 And I just wonder if, you know, we, we look at CERN and CERN is an underground operation. Um,

01:13:16.640 it seems like the spiritual high places are closed to them or they can't access these gates. They're

01:13:21.000 not there anymore for whatever reason. God's throne is in this spiritual high place. It would make sense

01:13:27.200 to me that their throne is in a spiritual low place. And all of these stories are talking about

01:13:32.160 ball being in a giant underground cavern with his throne sat in the middle of a room where all these

01:13:38.620 tunnels, by the way, culminate, which is interesting to me because we're dealing with a very vast

01:13:44.160 cave system. So the idea that there's a central hub where all of these tunnels, uh, meet is very

01:13:50.000 interesting to me. So I just want to know if any of that makes any sense. Cause I'm not a biblical

01:13:55.260 theologian. I'm more like, uh, a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist. And so I'm very comfortable

01:14:02.520 with my ideas being based off of, you know, unfounded claims and things like that happens all the

01:14:08.140 time. I'm wrong a lot, but for some reason, this speaks to me. Um, and, and I wonder, does it to

01:14:16.520 you? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. So, and just kind of with, with what you're saying too, I just

01:14:23.640 want to tack on, I, I've kind of invented like my own research genre. I call, I call myself as a

01:14:30.820 researcher at speculative nonfiction is what I write. We're talking about real things, real places,

01:14:35.400 real people, real experiences, but I want to speculate, you know, I don't want stuff chiseled

01:14:43.180 in stone. I'm not looking to get peer reviewed articles, uh, published in journals and things

01:14:48.500 like that. I want to take us beyond the safe little places that we as Christians can talk.

01:14:56.360 And I want to say, Hey, what if, and if someone comes back to me and says, you know, that doesn't

01:15:01.280 jive with the scripture here? Oh, you know what? You're right. And I studied it out and I went back

01:15:05.920 to the Greek and I, and yet, you know what? You're right. I'm super disappointed that that

01:15:10.000 dead ended. Cause that was a really cool theory, but yeah, you're right. And, but it's okay. It's

01:15:14.100 okay. If we have to backtrack, it's okay. If we get a little bit into the woods and go, ah,

01:15:19.060 no wrong way. We're going to turn around and realign our compasses. That's fine. And I think we have

01:15:23.940 to be less scared of, of that, but we also have to be humble enough that when we get to that place

01:15:30.400 in the woods, where we realize we have taken a wrong term to admit it and go back. Cause some

01:15:35.140 people get so enamored with their own theory. Like everyone's out there looking to be the Indiana

01:15:40.080 Jones of their doctrine and come up with this book. No one's written. And there is a point where if it

01:15:44.900 doesn't jive with scripture anymore, you have to let it go. And some people can do that and some

01:15:49.180 people can't. So with that said, I can't believe you brought up garden of gods because I was just

01:15:56.480 there. I've been there more than once, but, um, a few months ago, I think in June, my dad and I were

01:16:04.920 out there and we, if it's the one that you're talking about, it's a seven mile loop that you can

01:16:13.780 drive around. And if you don't have a pretty sturdy four wheel drive, depending on what season, um, it

01:16:20.780 could be hard to drive through there. Like I wouldn't be taking a huge RV through it or something, but

01:16:24.700 we ended up spending about 10 to 12 hours there, which it obviously it doesn't take that long to

01:16:32.700 drive a 17 mile loop, right? We couldn't get enough of it. It was the most eerie, bizarre,

01:16:43.780 place. We were out there climbing all over things. We were taking pictures. We saw stuff

01:16:49.440 and, um, long story short, I showed some of my pictures and ran by some of my theories with

01:16:56.600 someone way smarter than me. And I was just shy of being mocked to scorn because of my, um, ignorance

01:17:05.540 in erosion and how, I guess, I guess when you've got rock formations out in the middle of nowhere,

01:17:12.300 where there's no other mountains and things erode down to perfect square blocks, I guess

01:17:17.920 that's just sand and weather and I'm just moving it. Okay. But what, what was really fascinating

01:17:23.440 for me guys was you've got a 17 mile loop. You've got a whole bunch of fragments of things

01:17:34.440 in between where on the top of these structures, there's a line of demarcation because of erosion

01:17:42.380 with a totally different type of rock on top of it. And then spattered around this 17 mile

01:17:52.920 circle, if you will, are fragments of, of rock that don't look like formations or statues or sculptures

01:18:01.300 or buildings. It looks like, Oh, I don't know the ruins of an old city wall.

01:18:09.180 And, and so it just, it's fascinating to me how, I don't care what you're talking about. If you're

01:18:19.160 talking about garden of the gods, the grand Canyon devil's tower, there's all of these things that we

01:18:26.420 have spent hundreds of years driving to walking around, taking pictures of and buying the t-shirt

01:18:34.320 and we don't even know what we're looking at. We don't know what we're, we are looking at the ruins

01:18:42.760 of an older earth, you know, and I'm not talking about, you know, pre-atomite stuff right now.

01:18:50.760 We could talk about that anytime you want. I'd love that combo. But what I'm talking about is

01:18:54.280 we don't know what this country looked like 200 years ago. We can speculate, Oh, and the Europeans 1.00

01:19:04.300 came over and it was native Americans before this time. But then you've got a whole bunch of 1.00

01:19:09.240 native Americans now saying, we didn't build the mounts. They're not ours. We did. They were here

01:19:15.660 before. And of course they get hushed. And so we, we don't know. And like, I'll give you an example,

01:19:24.580 like of, I saw this thing that came up on my socials the other day and it's like, well,

01:19:29.880 how that could be Photoshopped. And what would I know? I don't, it was a side-by-side picture of,

01:19:35.260 uh, one section of the grand Canyon and an old, um, used and abused dried up copper mine.

01:19:43.720 Um, and yeah, they got the pictures to look side-by-side exactly like each other and the

01:19:50.360 same color and the same, you know, exposure. And, uh, I don't know how long they diddled away

01:19:58.100 in Photoshop to get that result. And I, I don't know. I don't even, I don't know if that's really

01:20:03.260 a picture of the grand Canyon. I haven't laid my eyes on every aspect of the grand Canyon.

01:20:06.780 Have you, have you seen that picture of the grand Canyon where it looks very much like

01:20:10.660 a Sphinx with, uh, a pyramid behind it? And I, you know, to your point, very much the same kind

01:20:17.860 of energy that I bring to it where I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I'll admit it looks strikingly

01:20:22.880 similar, but I don't know much of anything. So I don't know if I can, but yeah, I, I hear what

01:20:30.100 you're saying. Yeah. I don't know what to think about it just because, you know, and this is

01:20:34.440 probably part of the grand agenda with the technology we have now and with Photoshop and

01:20:39.220 with, with all this AI now, you know, now that all the AI, uh, reels are coming out and now you

01:20:46.320 got to sift through the comments to even see if something's real.

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01:21:46.780 plan. Now we have to question everything. And, and so I, I don't know, but here's what I do know.

01:21:53.460 I wouldn't know what an abandoned copper mine looked like to save my life. And I don't know if it looks

01:22:02.720 like certain parts of the Grand Canyon. Now it's interesting when you read apocryphal books

01:22:09.300 that talk about the massive expanse of gold and copper and all of these things that, that were

01:22:21.060 supposedly in the earth. And, you know, you do start to wonder, is there more to this topography than

01:22:28.320 we're being shown? Uh, are, are there places in Antarctica that are just like mountains and

01:22:34.620 mountains of iron ore or gold or like, how would we know? How would we know? And so I just enjoy

01:22:41.780 speculating, but, but to the point of all of these cave systems and these things that are now being

01:22:52.440 called into question, you know, like devil's tower and is it a tree and it, you know, all this kind

01:22:56.360 of stuff that what all that stuff leads me to conclude is we don't know what we're looking at.

01:23:09.200 You know, we're being told this is a mountain, that's a tree. This is a Canyon. This is erosion.

01:23:14.560 This is thousands of years of rain. You know, Hey, if you, you know, if you, if you let your,

01:23:20.780 if you're, if you let your faucet drip for a million years, you'll have a Grand Canyon in your

01:23:24.900 bathroom. Like, you know what I mean? I'm just being facetious, but the fact of the matter is

01:23:28.360 we don't even know because we have had hundreds of years of hyperinflated, allegedly scientific

01:23:40.060 explanations for everything that we see. And we don't ever question it. And half this stuff.

01:23:47.360 I don't even think we know what we're looking at anymore. How do we know this wasn't a stargate?

01:23:51.700 How do we know this wasn't a 50 foot tall tree? How do we know this wasn't an iron mine? I don't know.

01:23:57.920 Sometimes I do get the impression that there's an elevated scientific language that's used so that

01:24:03.340 the average person dismisses their own internal notions to object because it's above their pay

01:24:09.860 grade. Like you just said. And, um, I mean, we really are in a weird time where it's like,

01:24:14.600 we went through what we went through in 2020 with the lockdowns and we're watching them, uh,

01:24:18.740 redefine what happened in real time. Uh, just happened to me yesterday. Right. Yeah. So yeah,

01:24:24.840 you had an argument with somebody say it was like, he was like, you think things are getting worse?

01:24:29.540 And I was like, verifiably. I mean, I, I have a, this is not to get political here, but I saw this

01:24:35.800 meme on, uh, online and it's just like a list of things. This is just since 2020, you know,

01:24:41.620 like, so these are Trump things that we don't even remember what happened or the truth. Him calling the

01:24:46.200 not neo-Nazis fine people, Russian collusion, Biden sharp his attack, uh, Kamala Harris was never the

01:24:52.380 board. All these things that it's like, no, no, I saw that happen. I remember that. And it just kind

01:24:57.560 of got memory. Oh, this is four years, four years. Give these people a hundred. I mean, give them a

01:25:02.560 couple of, you know, a couple of lifetimes, get away with whatever you want. So yeah,

01:25:06.900 what we're seeing, who knows? And honestly, right now, I don't know if you've seen this Vicky,

01:25:12.200 but there is a rise of in popularity of the theory that we are in the little season. And one of the

01:25:19.740 reasons that people speculate that, and, and we've done a couple of episodes on it and I lean towards

01:25:24.740 it not being true. However, I have a great deal of empathy for people that suspect that it is true

01:25:30.020 because they're leaning on things like Tartaria, which is the remains of a city or an empire that

01:25:37.700 we were never made to even know existed. Um, and it's evidences all over the world. We did an episode

01:25:44.360 with, um, Dr. Narco Longo of, uh, old world Florida. And he's showing us things about how there are Viking

01:25:52.740 anchors, ship anchors, all over Florida, that they found Viking burial mounds in the swamplands

01:26:00.980 of, uh, you know, inside the panhandle, I believe. In Tampa, dude. Yeah. And it, there's so much

01:26:08.100 that doesn't check out. You're right. We're given this, um, sterilized, homogenized view of,

01:26:14.480 well, the Europeans, they landed on the shores of North America and that basically it was just

01:26:20.020 inhabited by, um, hunter gatherers who had never built anything of any real meaning and, uh, they

01:26:26.740 were conquered. And now everything that you see is a development of, of people from, uh, from Europe.

01:26:33.380 And what about the mounds? What about the serpent mounds, right? Ohio is full of seemingly buried

01:26:40.420 temples of some sort. I mean, that's usually what's in these mounds when you unearth them. It's,

01:26:44.180 it's very much the case where that's something we're willing to know. Archaeologists are willing to

01:26:49.060 tell us like, yeah, in South America, you'll find mounds that when you end up digging are buried,

01:26:54.900 um, temples. And so it leaves it open to speculation that that's what's happening here. And I, I,

01:27:00.740 some of, some of me wonders if the obfuscation is, is on purpose to get us to this point where like,

01:27:09.620 all we have is the ability to speculate wildly. You know what I mean? It's like,

01:27:15.060 yeah, everything is on the table because so much was hidden from us. And, and in this

01:27:20.100 age right now, I know in the Bible, it talks about, um, a time where, uh, information will

01:27:27.380 be, and I'm, I'm paraphrasing. I know I'm going to butcher this, but the idea that information will

01:27:31.460 be passed and forth between, uh, back and forth between individuals very rapidly and, and, uh, uh,

01:27:36.500 and that, uh, you know, there will be wars and whispers of wars and all these different things,

01:27:40.020 but it feels like we're in this age of, of confusion. We have more at our fingertips than

01:27:46.340 we ever have maybe, um, in the history of mankind. And so much of it is misinformation

01:27:55.860 mixed with the truth that we've gotten to this point where we're almost not any better for it.

01:28:01.860 Yeah. It, isn't it crazy how we have a Bible verse that says knowledge will increase. That's

01:28:09.940 one of the things of, you know, one of the signs of the end, right? Knowledge will increase. But at

01:28:15.940 the same time in history, the church age is defined as people perishing for lack of knowledge.

01:28:24.020 That's in the church. That's people in the church. So not only is knowledge in general increasing,

01:28:29.460 but plus we have the Holy spirit and we have the word of God. Knowledge is increasing. And guess

01:28:36.340 who is going to die because they don't have any knowledge? The church, my people, my people are

01:28:43.220 perishing for lack of knowledge. Can I ask you this? What type of knowledge, right? That's exactly

01:28:47.860 where I was going for, because we, we are bringing it in for a landing. I have to go pick up my son soon.

01:28:52.340 But like, that is a fascinating topic to me. What, what not what knowledge would they be lacking?

01:28:57.940 Yeah. My dad was, he was, he was just arguing me. He was like, ah, you're talking on Facebook like

01:29:03.140 this. He's like, you're educated. And I was like, I don't know what that means. Like, um, yeah,

01:29:07.860 sure. I have like a degree, but educated is, I get insulted if you tell me that I'm educated. I'm like,

01:29:13.460 yeah, it's yeah. It's that's knowledge in a certain world. What I'm doing on Facebook,

01:29:18.820 I'm manipulating people. Yeah. It's a different thing.

01:29:24.580 You know, um, I actually want to do a word study on that. After I get on this, I want to look at

01:29:29.460 and see if the two Greek words are parallel, uh, because I want to, I want to be, uh, not ignorant

01:29:35.300 in what I'm saying, but you know, one of the things that I, I'm sure you guys have run across this. I

01:29:40.900 know I certainly have. There is this idea, uh, and all Christians, we're trying to be good brands,

01:29:48.100 right? We're trying to be good brands. And so I don't ever, I really don't ever get too upset,

01:29:54.800 even when people get triggered with me or the, or they argue with me because we are all just trying

01:30:01.020 to be good brands and we're all trying to figure it out. But here's the deal.

01:30:03.940 This idea that as Christians, because we have this great commission and we're supposed to preach

01:30:14.140 the gospel of Jesus Christ, that he's the way, the truth and life. And he's the only one. So

01:30:17.500 we got to get everybody in that we can, because we, when the war, but when it all hits the fan and

01:30:22.100 the sea war happens, we want everybody on the right team and we want them, you know, a part of the kingdom

01:30:26.220 of God. And I agree with that. But the idea that then that limits our conversation,

01:30:32.780 right to nothing, but preaching the gospel and carrying around a four spiritual laws in our

01:30:37.880 pocket and showing everybody little pictures of the crosses, you know, build bridging a gap and all

01:30:42.560 this stuff. Again, the reason we talk about sleep paralysis and the astral realm and demons and

01:30:50.100 spiritual warfare and obs, obsfucated history. And what are we looking at? What is the garden of the

01:30:58.620 gods? What are these mounds? There are a lot of Christians that are being told even by their

01:31:04.920 pastors, that stuff's not important. It's a distraction that's titillating. People are going

01:31:10.240 to, are going to get interested in, in the devil. Don't give the devil any attention. But the fact of

01:31:16.120 the matter is this is part of the knowledge that wakes people up because the goal isn't to get

01:31:24.840 people into a headlock and get them to pray some prayer. Like, Hey, say uncle, say uncle. Okay.

01:31:31.960 I prayed a prayer. I'm going to go to church now. That isn't even what the great commission says.

01:31:36.540 It says make disciples. That means you're replicating this and you're, you're teaching people. And so

01:31:44.400 I talk a lot in my other podcasts about there's a difference between being a self-professing Christian

01:31:52.780 and walking in covenant with God almighty. And when you look at what it meant in the old Testament to

01:32:02.180 walk in covenant, you could pick them out of a crowd. They didn't dress the same way. They didn't speak the

01:32:10.460 same language. They, they, they worshiped differently. They ate differently. They had their own diet.

01:32:19.300 They had their own clothing. They all had their own haircuts. They had their own holidays. Uh, there was

01:32:25.140 no way for the children of God in old Testament times to live in Babylon and not stand out. And so 0.88

01:32:34.440 when I say that we're going to perish for lack of knowledge, it's because we have taken

01:32:41.940 covenant language, we've taken betrothal language from scripture, and we have taken what was meant to

01:32:51.260 be a very intimate, faithful, committed betrothal between man and God. And we've turned it into, um,

01:32:58.940 you know, uh, uh, a dating app, swipe, swipe. Okay. You know, Oh, Oh, I can't pay my rent. So I I'm

01:33:09.100 gonna, I'm gonna, you know, receive Jesus, but everything's okay. A swipe, swipe, swipe.

01:33:15.560 So this concept, Hey, if you're a Christian demons, can't bother you. Hey, if you're a Christian, 0.91

01:33:21.440 this, this is available to you. The Bible doesn't use that language. Uh, I think the new Testament uses

01:33:28.620 the word Christian three times and, and it's, it's derogatory. The, uh, in the book of Acts, the,

01:33:34.560 the people of, um, Antioch were, were calling them Christians. It was, it was a racial slur. It was,

01:33:43.740 oh, um, you know, the term, oh, you're all a bunch of yahoos. Like it's an insult. It was the way of

01:33:50.040 saying here, here come all those yahoos, which is probably even more accurate than we think, because 1.00

01:33:55.280 if you look into the Hebrew with, with, uh, a lot of the prophets, the, the word yahoo was part of

01:34:02.520 their name. So like Jeremiah was Jeremiah who, and Isaiah was, uh, like Isha, Isha yahoo or something

01:34:09.440 like that. And because prophets and Kings in ancient times, they would embed the name of their God in

01:34:16.180 their names and in their titles. And so a lot of the prophets of Jehovah had this word yahoo at the

01:34:24.040 end of their name, Jeremiah who ish yahoo and, and, and, and the like. So I actually believe that

01:34:31.080 the, you're all a bunch of yahoos is an original derogatory remark. Oh, you're all a bunch of 1.00

01:34:35.680 followers of Yahweh. Right. So when, when you say Christians in the new Testament sense, um, that was 0.83

01:34:43.160 when people who followed Christ were, were being mocked because they believed that this dead Jew was

01:34:49.880 God. I mean, how dumb can you get? Right. They were being mocked. And so we just have to be careful, 1.00

01:34:55.840 uh, that when we say I'm a Christian, that means the same thing as the gospel of Jesus Christ, where

01:35:03.580 Christian means I am walking a set apart covenant betrothed lifestyle. Uh, we see this in Psalm 91 as

01:35:12.640 well. All of those promises in Psalm 91, where we're going to crush the head of the serpent,

01:35:16.880 and we're not going to be fearing that the terror of night and no plague is going to come near our

01:35:21.640 tent. I mean, how many people were claiming that verse in 2020? No plague is going to come near my

01:35:29.440 family, but we skip over the verse that comes right before it. Psalm verse nine, Psalm 91, verse nine,

01:35:38.160 because I have made Jehovah my dwelling place. That doesn't mean you became a Christian or you go to 0.77

01:35:44.760 church or you don't swear or take THC gummies. What that means is I have crossed over the threshold

01:35:52.320 and I'm living under the roof and the authority of my high priest and husband, Jesus Christ.

01:36:01.580 And as long as I am in his tent, I am under his protection. I've been adopted into his family.

01:36:07.940 I'm now part of his bloodline. But if I go stepping outside of that tent, every time I feel like doing

01:36:14.440 something Babylonian, I'm not under his protection over here. And it's not this revolving door. Grace

01:36:21.400 isn't this Britney Spears revolving door. Oops, I did it again. Oops, I did it again. Oops, I did it

01:36:26.220 again. No, you have taken on a brand new name. You died to the old self. You are now living in this

01:36:33.260 community over the threshold in the tent of Jehovah. And if you are living in the tent of Jehovah and you

01:36:42.040 are faithful to that betrothal covenant that you have made to him, no plague is going to come near

01:36:47.660 your tent because that's a promise. So if a plague is coming near your tent and you're afraid of the

01:36:54.460 pestilence, if you spend night and day scared to death about what's going to happen because of who gets

01:37:00.240 elected or who doesn't get elected and you're scared to death because of the wars going on in the world

01:37:04.300 or the genetically modified food and you're living in that constant perpetual anxiety and you're being

01:37:11.060 subject to all the plagues of Egypt and all of your autoimmune diseases and your life's a wreck. And 0.92

01:37:16.300 you've got to ask the question, have I made him my dwelling? Yeah, I go to church. I'm a member of this

01:37:22.820 church. I go every Sunday. I don't smoke, drink or swear, but that's not the same as covenant. And the

01:37:30.240 covenant is the protection. The covenant is what gives us the supernatural protection going all the

01:37:38.300 way back to the first part of our conversation. That's the key to effective spiritual warfare.

01:37:45.140 If you know your authority in Jesus Christ, nothing will harm you. And so if there's gaps in your armor,

01:37:55.580 if there's swords getting in, you got to look and say, what part of my definition or my knowledge of

01:38:04.160 being a Christian is more congruent to my culture than it is to the doctrine of the scriptures?

01:38:12.020 Galatians 1, if we preach any other gospel, even if the gospel comes from an angel in heaven or the

01:38:18.060 astral realm or a being of love and light in our dream world, if that gospel is, hey,

01:38:25.140 you can be a Christian and a new ager. Hey, you can be a Christian and a Wiccan. Hey, you can be a 0.99

01:38:30.020 Christian and a Luciferian. That's another gospel. And so I really think that we as a church need to

01:38:38.260 get better about identifying who we really are. When you say you're a Christian, what does that even

01:38:45.980 mean? We as a church have an identity crisis right now. There's too much Babylonian blood running 0.98

01:38:52.840 through our veins and we are going to perish for lack of that knowledge. And that's why we got to

01:38:58.280 talk about this esoteric stuff and why we can't just be talking all the time about how much Jesus

01:39:03.640 loves us. Because because he loves us, he wants us to understand and know the things that are against

01:39:12.280 us. We have to know our enemy. I want to say on the topic of the church saying any interest in these

01:39:22.180 esoteric ideas will lead to fraternizing with the devil or something like that. I do think that there

01:39:32.060 is a fair warning in that message. Yes. But I also think that it is too ungiving or unyielding. And the

01:39:41.680 reason I say that is because I wasn't raised religious. There was nobody in my family bringing

01:39:47.100 me to church as a child. It was my own strange spiritual experiences, sleep paralysis, the hat

01:39:52.820 man, all that sort of, you know, I don't want to call it average, but you know what I mean? It's like

01:39:59.960 those experiences. Average spooky stuff. Yeah, average spooky stuff that led me to start researching

01:40:07.200 and finding other people's experiences. And what that ultimately opened the door to was me seeing

01:40:13.500 the symbols associated with these entities all throughout Hollywood and the music industry.

01:40:18.920 And my unwillingness to take a conventional explanation as to what these things were and

01:40:24.520 why they were there is what made me a tenacious conspiracy theorist. And it brought me down a path

01:40:32.100 for what would have been 14 years before I finally said, I never was an atheist. I was always agnostic.

01:40:44.080 I just don't have that information yet. I haven't had these experiences yet. I can't say definitively

01:40:49.380 that Jesus is the focal point of this spiritual happening. And ultimately, though, I did have

01:40:59.060 enough experiences to turn that corner and start to not only share my testimony with people, but have

01:41:06.520 conversations like this and try to guide people towards what I believe is the truth. And I got

01:41:13.460 there entirely. I often say I came to. I came to Jesus Christ through the back door of the church.

01:41:21.120 You know what I mean? Like through a dusty alleyway that's filled with esoteric symbols and shadow

01:41:28.560 entities and all this stuff. And there's nobody there. There's no doorman at that back door of the

01:41:34.500 church. Nobody there is guiding you. Nobody's there to explain anything to you. I was just sifting

01:41:40.140 through occultism and esoteric jargon for 14 years. And then it led me to this place now where we get to

01:41:50.420 speak to thousands of people and try to bring people closer and convince them that they should

01:41:55.620 strengthen their relationship with Jesus Christ and that this is, in fact, the most important aspect

01:42:01.300 to the realm that we inhabit is a spiritual one. And so I'm not unique. I didn't have that experience.

01:42:07.860 And it's only my experience. There are so many other people who are, you know, metaphorically

01:42:14.020 sifting through dusty occult tomes. And the church turns their back on these people in that way,

01:42:20.720 at least, you know, they're, they're, they're going to be there to accept it if you turn the

01:42:23.480 corner, but they're going to tell you, you shouldn't do this. And it's like, what made it compelling to

01:42:28.180 me is that the signs of the enemy, they're everywhere. And if you can look to see them and realize that

01:42:38.920 it's true, then the opposite side must be true as well. And that's literally the path that took me

01:42:43.980 to where I am now. So, yeah, but I understand why, like thinking about it, why the church would keep

01:42:48.860 you away from it. I mean, what we were just talking about, Moses goes up the mountain and immediately

01:42:53.360 they turned to another God because they knew about it and they knew the power in it and they knew that

01:42:57.160 it actually worked, that they can do these things. I mean, it's a short term gain for, you know,

01:43:02.580 some punishments after, but yeah, I don't know, man, you open up that door to people. And if you're

01:43:09.840 not, if your specific church is not telling them the truth and explaining why you should choose God

01:43:17.260 and you have to constantly explain to them why you should choose God, which is, I mean, it maybe says

01:43:21.940 that that's all our choices are. We're constantly choosing God or not choosing God. And we fail all the

01:43:27.180 time. Every time you don't choose God, it's very easy to do. Now you open up that door to the occult,

01:43:32.360 where this magic is real and you're presenting some extraordinary powers to people, just normal

01:43:39.780 people. I don't know if you're not on your, if you're not like a convincing person, if you don't

01:43:46.200 have good arguments, if you're not, you're going to lose your entire congregation. It's a dangerous

01:43:52.060 game to play, but that's the game that you're playing. You open up a church, you want to, you want

01:43:56.660 to get tithings and offerings. That's the game you're playing, brother. I mean, you're playing in the

01:43:59.780 spiritual realm. So get out or get, you know, get with it. This path to God, maybe it's not

01:44:09.280 easy for everybody. Maybe some of us are meant to have a path. Everybody's walk with God, in my

01:44:14.460 opinion, is unique. You know, it's, I'm not going to be able to, to, to convert somebody through a

01:44:23.820 conversation. Really, all I can do is just share you, share with you my own testimony and the things

01:44:28.080 that I went through and I can, maybe you'll find some connectivity in that and you'll be able to

01:44:32.420 relate and that'll help you on your journey, but I'm not going to be able to convert anybody.

01:44:37.300 Maybe some of us are, our, our, our journey is much more of a test because I was in that space

01:44:42.240 where like, I'm going, well, what is it that they're practicing? What's happening? How are they

01:44:48.260 doing this? And once you start to get to that, the how, the logistics of a ceremony or ritual,

01:44:54.360 you are circling a pretty dangerous drain. But nobody's walk is the same. And, and mine just

01:45:01.380 tested me in a bunch of ways. I'm blessed to have never done anything weird. You know what I mean?

01:45:05.620 I always had this internal sense that this, that, you know, these things were evil. These people were

01:45:10.480 conducting, you know, evil practices, but everybody's is going to be different. So some people were blessed

01:45:18.180 to be raised by a family in a church and, and really did embody those ideas. And it was not much

01:45:24.780 of a challenge for them. I'm sure those people do exist. Uh, but then some of us have to go through

01:45:28.940 a bit of fire and some of us more so than others, right? There are people who were in covens who are

01:45:33.980 now, uh, you know, feverishly following God. So everybody's is different. And I just think that that

01:45:40.660 maybe that is the lack of knowledge that people will die of. And what I mean by that is the church

01:45:50.100 has created a, a situation where church goers can have this, in some cases, weak connection to God

01:46:02.540 while not thinking about any of the greater, darker things. There are people who go to church regularly

01:46:08.340 where if you bring up to them that there is ritualistic child sacrifice happening on a large

01:46:13.900 scale that will blow the skin off their face. They don't even want to look at that. And so

01:46:19.400 without that knowledge, then how deep, how much skin in the game are you ready to have without that

01:46:29.320 knowledge? And then you perish. Whereas I recognize that this is definitional warfare, not in a light

01:46:37.740 way. This is warfare in, in, in the most serious of ways. And so if it requires all the skin, then it 0.92

01:46:45.300 requires all the skin. Yeah, absolutely. You know, one thing I'm really encouraged by this. I think we

01:46:54.680 have had a shift in our church age here in America in, in the last, I don't know if I want to put a

01:47:02.840 number on it, but in Jesus's day, there was the religious establishment and that is not the vehicle

01:47:10.540 he chose to utilize for the spreading of the gospel. He picked 12 blue collar fishermen who failed.

01:47:20.540 They flunked out of rabbinical school because back then all the men were, were trained from the time 0.50

01:47:26.040 of childhood. And if you got to that level where they deemed you weren't a studious intellect,

01:47:33.040 they fired you. You got kicked out of school and you got a blue collar job. So he rejected

01:47:40.640 the religious establishment.

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01:49:21.260 They're the one that had all the resources. He picks 12 nobodies making minimum wage. Some of them

01:49:28.300 were educated, some of them weren't and he equipped them. And so I really see that happening in,

01:49:37.640 in our culture now, a lot of the younger people starting with the millennials. And since this has

01:49:47.200 taken over Gen X and some, some Gen X and baby boomers have jumped onto the ship and they've jumped 0.73

01:49:52.820 onto the bandwagon, right? But really there was a shift once the millennials got older, right? Where

01:50:00.600 they were like, this religious institution method of spirituality is not working for me. I've got a

01:50:11.220 lot of questions and I get in trouble when I ask them. And I don't like being ostracized as a

01:50:17.380 troublemaker when the motive behind my questions is I want to know God more. And now we've got this

01:50:24.660 trend of deconstruction and ex-evangelicals, uh, which has come out of the older generations being 0.89

01:50:33.020 afraid to answer these questions or maybe not knowing the answers. Um, I think there's such thing

01:50:39.780 as constructive deconstruction. I absolutely believe every Christian can and should deconstruct 1.00

01:50:46.380 the traditions of their faith. But I believe that if you do it correctly, you will come out

01:50:52.620 an even more on fire disciple of Jesus. Not, you might abandoned the church. You might abandon

01:51:00.580 Christianity, but you will not abandon God or Jesus Christ or, or the gospel of the kingdom as

01:51:06.800 it's laid out in scriptures. And so, uh, I think what, what is the equivalent of the ragtag blue collar

01:51:14.880 disciples is this forum that we're on right now. We've got these podcasters. They're like, Hey,

01:51:22.620 I don't have a college degree. I didn't go to seminary. I don't speak Greek and Hebrew,

01:51:27.420 but this doesn't make sense. And this, this church, uh, formula that hasn't been changed

01:51:36.400 that much in the last hundred years, the worship has changed. We brought in drum kits and the worship

01:51:41.580 has changed, but the format of the church really hasn't changed that much. Uh, this isn't working

01:51:46.180 and the onus is on us to teach the next generation. Like the next generation has to pass this torch on

01:51:53.340 when we're gone. And the, the establishment has failed. Uh, I'm not saying there's not good churches

01:52:00.080 and good pastors out there, but the people that want to get closer to actual understandings of these

01:52:13.380 deeper things. And we're only getting the surface level stuff in the church because you can't take

01:52:19.580 off the titers. Right. And so I, I really do think that the, this podcasting world with where you've got

01:52:27.480 Christians who, Hey, we're going to talk about all of these conspiracies through a biblical lens. 0.79

01:52:33.860 Uh, I really do think that it's a revolution and, uh, and you, and you know, there's spiritual warfare

01:52:41.000 because all the people that are, that are talking the truth are, are getting shadow banned and, and

01:52:46.340 pulled off and yanked and the mics are being yanked away from them. But I really do think that we have 0.63

01:52:52.200 got a revolution going on here. And, uh, I, I, I just want to kind of give a shout out to my own

01:53:01.040 generation as well as the boomers. You got to let go of the mics. We got to pass them on. It doesn't 1.00

01:53:08.160 mean we're silent and we're done, but, um, God is equipping and calling the millennials and the Gen Zers.

01:53:16.340 And there's a lot of them out there that they're getting it. They don't just want to sit in a pew

01:53:22.220 and go home with a swear jar and just try to be good for the week. And then listen to another

01:53:27.560 40 minute sermon that somebody else prepared in their time with God. And like, there are, there are,

01:53:33.940 there's a severe, um, underestimation of the seriousness and the intellect amongst young

01:53:44.920 people. And you can look at the young people and say, Oh, you know, they're, they're just all into

01:53:51.280 the video games and in all this crap. But what if a large portion of the younger people are into all 0.95

01:53:59.540 of that stuff because they're bored? Baby boomers. Yeah. Baby boomers, Gen Xers. You have failed to 1.00

01:54:07.920 make the Bible. Interesting. Which is insane by the way, because in my, it's so interesting.

01:54:14.900 It became interesting. I mean, as you're saying this, I used to go to church, uh, when I lived in

01:54:20.360 New York, Sundays and Wednesdays and Wednesdays, I would perform with my wife and then, but it's

01:54:26.080 the same format, um, worship, uh, service and then closing. And it's like, this is a much better

01:54:33.840 format. And especially when like the church will have like, Oh, we have a guest speaker. And this guy

01:54:37.540 came from this far away and the guest speaker comes and I don't know when he prepared this message

01:54:42.900 or how long it took him. And he'll preach to you for 40 minutes. But I'm like, you spoke at people

01:54:48.300 for 40 minutes. There was no conversation. This is, this is a conversation. I have a, if I have a home

01:54:53.620 pastor here, I will be bringing in a different pastor and maybe not, maybe not Sunday morning,

01:54:59.260 but if you're doing a Wednesday, Tuesday night thing, this is an hour long podcast and we're sitting

01:55:05.040 on like this, we're in front of an audience. And as a matter of fact, after we're done with this

01:55:08.960 discussion, whatever we're covering, we'll open it up to questions and like get people

01:55:12.880 involved. It's that's a Bible study sort of, but it's also missing this conversational aspect of

01:55:17.880 like those people are there too. And they, they want to ask questions. Maybe that's something

01:55:21.820 that could be moved into the forefront of, of, you know, the modern church. I don't know.

01:55:27.220 Yeah. I think Vicki is right though. It, we, we talk about this a lot at top, right? It's like

01:55:31.440 this idea of whether or not we're going through a resurgence. Um, some people think that there's a big

01:55:37.140 falling away, but it's hard for me to feel like that because as somebody who, you know, wasn't,

01:55:43.140 um, raised religious, didn't have any of this and then set out after I got my information and my

01:55:49.980 experiences and was determined that this is the path. Um, all of a sudden the, the audience just

01:55:55.800 grows exponentially. There's a hunger for this sort of thing. I think Vicki's right though. We're stuck.

01:56:01.720 When I was in the church, we were stuck in that age of, uh, the old guard, the people that were

01:56:05.960 there, the ones that gave the money. They didn't want, you know, we were playing music. They didn't

01:56:10.900 want this type of music and it wasn't anything crazy. It was like, you know, regular Christian

01:56:14.900 conservative music, but, uh, like pop stuff and they were resistant to change. And I look around and I'm

01:56:21.080 like, well, your congregation is literally dying off. You know, like the average age here is 70 and I

01:56:26.540 understand you guys have the money and that's what keeps this place afloat, but there's nobody new

01:56:30.440 coming in and they're not really interested in this. And that, then that means that the word,

01:56:34.640 the pastor and his message is aimed at the people who are there and it's become, it becomes a business.

01:56:40.640 And I do understand that. This is a, how do you, how do you walk that line of, I do need to keep

01:56:46.800 these doors open, you know, and we, and we want to do these great outreach things, but the people are

01:56:53.060 resistant to change. And if we want to get people in, and I'm not talking about this change, like put a

01:56:58.240 rainbow flag in your church, I'm talking, I'm just talking about like just tweaking things,

01:57:01.700 making things slightly better. Like there's, there's ways to do it that are not an affront to

01:57:05.380 God, you know, but it's, it's hard for the church to do. And I get it. I get it, man. I've, I've been

01:57:11.220 in the inner workings of it. I hate it. I hate it with everything in me because they made those strict

01:57:15.640 kind of parameters where like, you're not allowed to explore different ideas and, and albeit like on this

01:57:20.380 show, um, as, as excited as I am to talk to the number of people that we get to talk to. Um, and I mean,

01:57:27.340 the audience, um, you lift those restrictions and people are more receptive to it. But, but

01:57:35.700 admittedly, I know there are moments where my modality of exploration probably makes Jesus rub

01:57:42.100 his temples. You know what I mean? Like these guys are a little bit stressed out with me. You know,

01:57:47.460 I do cross the line very often. Uh, I like to think my heart's in the right place, but I know for sure

01:57:53.100 that I got to have some stuff to answer for about the way that I went about things, but yeah, he's

01:57:57.400 like just a list of tweets. He's like, this was you. That was me. That was a really funny tweet

01:58:04.320 though. Was it not? Oh no. So, I mean, you know, it's, it's a weird time, but I, let me say this

01:58:09.920 though. Before we, before we close it up, you were talking about God laughing and I do like the idea of

01:58:16.260 the, the frequency and the vibration of, of laughter. But I also like the idea that God is

01:58:21.900 hilarious. I do. He is hilarious. Look at the world. Look at us. I think it's also, it's also like a

01:58:28.960 clue. He's like, Oh, they shot arrows at me and I laughed. They threatened me and I laughed. And it's

01:58:34.980 like when these people are blatantly telling you that they're going to kill you, that they hate you.

01:58:40.200 I mean, this is speaking to the political paradigm and the cultural paradigm right now. I found that

01:58:46.200 literally laughing at them and making other people laugh completely disarms them. They don't know where

01:58:51.920 to put you. They don't know how to respond to you. And I just keep being funny. Sometimes I do cross

01:58:56.500 the line and I'm like, I'm sorry. My brain just, we went there. I want to believe that humor is, is

01:59:03.360 important. I want to believe that humor is a huge part. It is. It's proven. It's proven to be

01:59:07.460 important. I've laughed at this person. They have completely stopped. And these are people

01:59:12.440 on the world stage at some point. Like I have no business even communicating with them,

01:59:16.900 but now they're like, uh, going back and forth with Matt Walsh. I mean, why am I talking to this

01:59:23.020 person? Why, why am I even talking with like a Dave Smith? But I do it. You go back and forth with

01:59:27.780 these people and the humor kind of shines through. It'll disarm. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose,

01:59:32.520 depending on how good you are, but there's a very effective tool in that. So when God is laughing at this,

01:59:37.060 that's the ultimate form of just telling you like, you want to diffuse the situation. Like

01:59:42.120 this is a laughter. They don't know how to deal with it. By the way, Vicki, I love the way you

01:59:45.640 laid that out where it's like, God is laughing. Um, but then eventually he opens the door and says,

01:59:52.080 come on in. Yeah, absolutely. I like, I like that. I like that a lot. And another thing too,

01:59:57.140 though, about laughter, you know, when we're not using it as a, as a weapon or as a deflection or a

02:00:02.560 shield, when we're with our friends and we really get laughing and you're dying and tears are coming

02:00:09.360 out of your face, it's an expression of overflowing joy. Yeah. Now what's interesting about Jesus,

02:00:17.060 he's about to die on a cross. He's about to, you know, suffer tremendous physical agony and be,

02:00:24.060 have the wrath of God poured out upon him and be separated from the father. And it was the joy set

02:00:29.700 before him. And so another thing I like about this laughter of God is the whole world has rallied

02:00:37.280 together against me. They've rejected me as their creator. They want to kill me. Their, their vitriol

02:00:44.300 and their hatred is so extreme and it's hilarious, but I still have an overflow of joy because my joy

02:00:55.660 isn't rooted in what you people think of me. I know who I am. I am God. And so we as Christians

02:01:05.200 can take a, a, a line from that in that when people are attacking us and they're on social media and I've

02:01:13.820 got all the Christians telling me there's no such thing as demons and Hey, all sleep paralysis is, is, 0.97

02:01:19.020 you know, you ate pizza before you went to bed. And, you know, I don't have to get mad. I don't have

02:01:26.400 to get riled up. I don't have to come up with a plan of attack. You can't touch my joy. Now,

02:01:35.740 if you come at me in humility and I'm wrong and, and you are genuinely pointing something out and I've

02:01:41.400 learned from it, that's great. But the fact of the matter is if your goal is to make a fool out of me

02:01:48.060 or make yourself look smart or, or stave off something about the realities of the spiritual 0.87

02:01:54.940 realm that scare you. So you have to deflect it. You can throw all that stuff at me. You can point

02:02:01.000 your arrows at me, but at the end of the day, even if you rile me up, even if I get mad, even if I

02:02:07.980 respond, you can't take my joy. You can't take my joy. It's not up for grabs. It's, it's behind a door

02:02:16.280 door locked. And, and Jesus Christ is the doorkeeper behind that. You're not ever going to

02:02:22.880 diminish my joy. I think that is Vicki Joy. I know I was thinking the same thing. I got her

02:02:31.880 book right in front of me and I could see your name on it and everything. Um, I think it's a good

02:02:35.960 place to bring it in for a landing, mostly because I have to leave in three minutes, but I'm so glad

02:02:42.880 that we were finally able to get this done. I genuinely mean it. Vicki, you're one of my

02:02:46.820 favorite people in the space when it comes to unpacking a pretty serious topic. You do an

02:02:52.400 excellent job of, of not only making it understandable, but, um, making it a joy to talk

02:02:58.740 about. So, uh, one more time, Vicki, please let everybody know where it is. They can find your work.

02:03:03.660 Yeah, absolutely. Vicki joy, Anderson.com. You can find me at Vicki joy author on Tik TOK and

02:03:10.640 Instagram and Vicki joy, Anderson on YouTube and feel free to send in the DMS and the emails

02:03:18.560 and, uh, yeah, check out the demons and parasites, uh, uh, playlist. I got going on there.

02:03:24.660 We have a reason to bring her back. I know, man. We got to talk about the parasites and Cthulhu

02:03:31.280 next time. Oh my God. I know we forgot. I know, man. I know, I know, but that's all right. We're

02:03:37.900 going to have a good reason to bring you back in the future. And I'm really looking forward to it.

02:03:41.580 So guys, please go and support Vicki joy, Anderson and her work, go and get the book. Uh, if you enjoy

02:03:47.860 what you hear, you should be supporting these people because, uh, there's plenty of people we

02:03:52.180 support with our dollar that probably don't deserve it. I'm giving my money every day to Walmart.

02:03:56.180 The least I could do is give it to people that are going out of their way to provide us with content

02:03:59.920 that is going to aid in this spiritual journey. So, uh, go and support Vicki joy, Anderson.

02:04:05.440 And, uh, I think that's it, man. Are we good? I think we're good. We'll see you tomorrow,

02:04:09.820 Friday with, um, what's her name? Uh, we are going to talk to Heidi love, uh, tomorrow. And then are

02:04:17.060 we talking to Ed Mabry? I don't know if he, if he books, maybe Ed Mabry too. We don't know what

02:04:21.840 we're doing at all guys. Uh, but please stick around. Maybe you guys can help us figure that out.

02:04:25.760 All right. Uh, that's it, right? I'm good. Peace out.

Nephilim Death Squad - November 22, 2024

076： Mysticism, Dreams, and Divine Authority with Vicki Joy Anderson

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