076： Mysticism, Dreams, and Divine Authority with Vicki Joy Anderson
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Vicki Joy Anderson is a writer, podcaster, and podcaster. She has been on the show for over 3 years, and is one of my favorite people in the business. She is also a true believer in the concept of sleep paralysis, and has even written a book about it. In this episode of the show, we discuss her experiences with sleep paralysis and how it can affect your life.
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Someone who's become one of my favorite people in the space
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And I think that pretty much happened with our first conversation
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So I'm very excited to welcome back to the show
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Vicki, if you could, for the people who may not be familiar with you
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Vicki Joy Author is my handle on both of those socials
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And I wanted to bring something to entertain myself while I was there
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Like, there's this, there's this, like, you know
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No idea what it means. He calls in a group of magi. Again, these are people that probably know
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how to astral project and go into the spirit realm and directly get their answers from higher beings.
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All the magi are perplexed. Now, one could argue in that case that God disabled the king and all of
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his magi to understand and interpret that dream so that he could pave the way for the story where
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his name was great and et cetera, et cetera. Because in this case, the king wasn't even just
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saying interpret this dream. He was saying, you tell me what I dreamed. If you're so smart, if you
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really have access to these entities that know everything, you have to tell me what I dreamed
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and then interpret it. And of course, no man can do this. And even Daniel, when he was credited for
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being able to do it, very quickly said, no man can do this. I did this by the power of God. And
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subsequently, had any of the magi pulled it off, it wouldn't have been their power either.
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It would have taken direct communication with the spirit realm to have gotten an accurate
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interpretation of this. So likewise with us, if we are really accessing other dimensions,
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when we dream, if we are physically in some way, part of us is leaving our body and we are experiencing
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a real experience somewhere in another dimension, whether you call it the astral realm or the high
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places or the heavenly places or the third heaven or all these different metaverses that everyone's
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talking about. If on some level, we are truly there in those spaces, interacting with those people.
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What makes me really nervous with the modern evangelical church who thinks they have a grasp on dream
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interpretation, is if you use the scripture as an example, Daniel, Peter with his vision of the sheet,
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John on the island of Patmos with the apocalypse revelation, Ezekiel being transported from the river
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Kibar to Jerusalem and seeing all the things going on underneath the temple. In all of these cases,
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they were going to real places being shown real things. It wasn't just a dream. They weren't stoned.
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They, you know, they, they didn't trip on Benadryl. Like they were actually taken to Jerusalem. They were
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under the temple. So even though Ezekiel's physical body is still asleep by the river Kibar in Babylon,
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he at that moment is in the basement levels underneath the temple in Jerusalem, being shown things that are
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actually there. This is like an out of body experience type of a thing. But what's interesting
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to me about Moses and Abraham and Ezekiel and John and Peter, Paul with the vision to the third heaven.
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For the most part, all of these men came back, wrote about their experiences and didn't really know
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how to describe what they saw or what they saw or what it meant. And in fact, Daniel
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basically were perplexed over things and, and the angel or the angel of the Lord or God or whoever in that particular
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instance, they were talking to said, don't worry about it.
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Don't write that down, John. Don't even write that down.
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Daniel was dead before some of that stuff came to pass. And many of the prophets died before they saw
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Oh, Vicki, I think we just lost you for a second. Yeah, your, your mic automatically muted.
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Yeah, my mic just muted. All right. So this is what makes me really nervous about modern people.
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Most people, they wake up from a dream. And exactly like you said, Dave, they they're like,
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something was different about that. That wasn't just a dream. That wasn't just the pizza I ate
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before I went to bed. There was something very spiritual there. There was a lot of symbols in
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that. I woke up perplexed. I woke up exhausted. I was geo hopping all over the place in those dreams.
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I was being shown all these things. Like there's all these things that you kind of like,
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that's something more than just a dream. But I noticed two things about people that have these
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types of dreams often. They immediately within 30 minutes of waking up, know what every single
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part of that dream means. And it usually is 100% to their benefit and fits perfectly in with all of
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the things in their life at that moment that they want and that they're waiting for. And if you look
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at scripture, Daniel, look, Daniel had a lot going on in his life. He was exiled from Jerusalem. He's in
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a foreign land, speaking a foreign language. He'll never see his parents again. He's probably a eunuch.
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So he got castrated. He doesn't have a wife and kids. He isn't going to have a legacy. He's enslaved.
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He's working for an occult king who has no sense of respect for his religion. He has no access to the
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temple anymore. So according to his religion, he doesn't even have access to going in and offering
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his sacrifices that he needs for... The guy's got a lot on his mind, okay? And God comes to him and he
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doesn't get his own personal little poem reading or fortune like, Daniel, don't worry that I've got a
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perfect spouse waiting for you. And oh, Daniel, don't worry, you're going to get that job promotion.
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He comes to Daniel and unfolds eternal purposes and behind the scenes sneak peeks at a seed war that's
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been going on since Genesis 3. It's above and beyond his understanding. It is not personally
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in that moment relative to just his life. And a lot of these things, even if you go to the dreams
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and the visions and the prophecies and the angelic visitations that were very personal, like say,
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Mary, you are going to have a baby, right? That was personal to her.
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But it affected the entire world once you realized who that baby was, right? And same thing with
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Elizabeth. Zachariah got a vision in the temple. Your wife's going to have a baby. You're going to
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name it John. And so extremely personal to him and his family. Think about the conversations over
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decades of marriage. Think how many times he held his crying wife because she was infertile. And all her
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friends were having babies and christenings and baby showers. And she was on the sidelines. Like think
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how absolutely personal that was to Zachariah and his wife. But it had eternal implications for the
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unfolding of redemptive history because John was the forerunner to the Messiah. So he had a purpose.
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He had a calling. It's thousands of years later. We're still talking about John.
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So this idea that dreams or prophetic dreams or visions or angelic visitations, because I do believe
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that there are people that have sleep paralysis like experiences. I think they're more rare, but I
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think that you can still have a visitation where the Lord is showing you something or telling you
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something. I'm not a sensationalist. But I think we have to be careful because I am seeing a lot of this
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kind of extreme charismatic movements like the NAR and things like that, where dream interpretation
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is becoming almost equal with what in Rome they had. Like they had augury in Rome, which was
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divination. So if you go back to Rome, you know, where they would go into the temples of Zeus and
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Jupiter, and they would have these Jupiter stones. They would have these like legitimately, probably
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meteorite fragments, and they would use them kind of as like the Lord of the Rings Palantir, right?
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They would worship this thing. They would feed it. They would bathe it. They would speak to it. They
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would use it as a tool of augury. And they would use it to select Senate seats and to make law and to
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make government, but they would also use it in judgment. So people would come in with their cases
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against their neighbor, and they would use this stone in much the same way, perhaps, as the umim and
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thumim in the Old Testament, where they had these stones that could legitimately be used as a
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communication device. Like they could tell the will of God through these stones. And that's why
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this is an entirely more interesting discussion on Christian mysticism. There's a whole bunch of
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things that there's a whole bunch of babies that Christians have thrown out with the bathwater
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because all crystals are bad, all stones are bad, and all this is bad. But you have to acknowledge the
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fact that Moses had a staff that could part water and turn into serpents. And square that one for me,
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church. You know, we have an Ark of the Covenant that is made out of all of the right conductive
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properties where it actually creates electricity, where if you touch it, you get electrocuted and die.
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Well, why did he have to be carried around in something like that? What's the purpose of that?
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And then, you know, you look at this umim and thumim, which were like these stones. You look at
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the stones in the breastplate, all of this stuff. Oh, look at the blue cord that runs through the
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tzitzits that the men in the camp would wear. The men in leadership and the men would wear these
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fringes on their garments, and it would have a blue cord running through it. Even that, guys,
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I think there's a massively supernatural element going on here. This is my own theory.
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Moses comes down from the mountain. The original stones were carved out of the floor of heaven,
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which we are told is like sapphire. But if you actually do your research, it was lapis lazuli,
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because that would have been the ancient. And that ties into the mountain of God in Enoch 18,
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that is in the center with the other mountains surrounding it. There are many biblical and
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apocryphal references to the mountain of God, the throne of God being either the stone or the
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volcanic material of fire coming out of it being as lapis lazuli. So Yahweh, which I tend to believe
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is the pre-incarnate Messiah, carves two stones out of the floor of heaven. We're talking lapis lazuli.
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Moses comes down, sees the sin of the golden calf, smashes those tablets, does his stuff, goes back
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up. The second time the stones aren't cut out from the floor of heaven, he cuts them out of the mountain.
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Now they're just on regular stone, sandstone or whatever that was, right? Okay. He comes down now
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with the law, with the covenant, with the Torah. For the very first time, he reads the whole of the
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Torah to the people and they say, we agree, we'll do it. One of the things in that covenant that they
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learned about was men, you're going to get tassels and you're going to hang them from the four corners
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of your prayer shawl, but you're going to string a blue cord through it to remind you of the commandments,
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to remind you to obey. Well, that's why it's blue because the original tablets of the law were
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lapis lazuli. So when they saw that blue cord, it reminded them of the law because the law was
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originally on blue stone. But here is where it gets even more interesting, supernatural. This is where
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Christians start to get nervous because it sounds new agey, but here's the deal.
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They're in the middle of the desert. Where do they get enough blue dye to dye a bunch of threads
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so that every man in the camp, hundreds of thousands, if not over a million, where do you get enough blue
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dye to make four cords for each man in the camp? Well, the way the ancients made blue dye
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was by grinding lapis lazuli down to powder and making a dye out of it. So we now have blue cords
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in the fringes of Moses and Aaron's garments and in the leaders of the Hebrew camp that was cut
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from the floor of heaven, which was likely the mountain or the throne of God. We now have
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a heavenly out of place object on earth. We have a fragment of the throne of God
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ground into powder and woven into the very fabric of their clothing. Now you say, why did these people
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for 40 years not age? Why did their sandals not wear out? How did Caleb at 85 years old slay
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Nephilim giants three times his size when he has the strength that he had at 40? Why in the New
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Testament, when women who were sick and couldn't be healed grabbed onto the fringes of Jesus's garment,
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his zitzits, why did they get healed miraculously by just touching a blue cord? How come it says in
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scripture that there's healing in his wings? He's not a bird. It's the fringes of his garment.
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There's something deeply magical about this, right? So a little bit-
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I just want to take an opportunity, and I hate to do this to people because Vicki Joy Anderson is
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labeling gravy on us right now. I'm totally locked in, man. But unfortunately for the main viewing
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Or scan the QR code on the screen. Correct. Otherwise, this episode will drop in its entirety
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in the next couple of days. And before I let you continue, Vicki, I just want to say that
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we are delving into something that even I struggle with, right? This concept of mysticism within
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Christianity, I do think that there's very much a baby with the bathwater situation going on here,
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like you've expressed only moments ago. And it's something that, and this episode is going to do
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this to people, it's very polarizing. For some reason, to start to connect the ideas of mysticism,
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um, magical artifacts, things of that nature with, um, with the Bible. And very much in a blanket way,
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we are told to abstain from all of these things. And, uh, and I, and I do often feel like that is a
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mistake, but I do agree with the sentiments that when you explore these things, you should be, um,
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soliciting Jesus Christ for guidance, you know, in order to stay in God's, you know, alignment with
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his will. Uh, but these are things that need to be explored. And there is another side to this coin
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that is very willing to explore and exploit these mystic, uh, principles. And, um, I think that
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very, the, the thing to keep in mind here is that these principles and these, these artifacts and this
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mysticism, these fallen entities cannot create, they can only invert God's creation. Um, and so if these
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principles are here, if this magic, for lack of a better term is here, uh, I suspect that the bad
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surrounding it is an inversion and that there is a way to appeal to these things that is in alignment
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with God's will. But, uh, please stop. Can I, can I ask before, yeah, before you continue, um,
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we were talking about the rocks or these stones that, that may have come from heaven. Um, when Moses hits
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the rock and he's punished by God, is that it, uh, would you, I mean, obviously this God is speaking
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through a rock or do you think that there's something to this? Like, I mean, he's actually
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striking God, like there's metaphysical properties to that rock there. Yeah. So I've always heard
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kind of the metaphorical or the allegorical reason why that was such a, he never made it into the
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promised land because of that. Imagine losing. It seemed weird, right? I was like, he's like,
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that's like, he just kind of got upset one time, but if you're thinking about it differently. Yeah.
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So what's going on there is the first time. So Moses was a shadow and type of Christ. And that's why
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you have so many parallels between the two of them. Moses was laying the groundwork so that when
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the children of God were presented with the Messiah thousands of years later, they would see that he
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was fulfilling. We always say he fulfilled the law, right? But he fulfilled the law of Moses. He,
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he actually walked in the footsteps. So he came out of Egypt. You never, Jesus had to go into Egypt,
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you know, to escape his, for his life. And then when the Pharaoh, um, when the king died,
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he came out of Egypt and he fasted for 40 days in, in the wilderness, which is the 40 years in the,
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in the wilderness. And so there's all these parallels. So Jesus is basically going to fulfill
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every single thing that Moses laid down. So it's, it's integral that Moses obeys everything that is
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being taught to him, because if he messes up the metaphor, uh, it's going to mess up the metaphor
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later on as well. Right? So when he struck the rock and the living waters came out of the rock,
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it was a allegory of the Messiah, Jesus Christ is going to come manifest as a human being.
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He is going to be the rock and he is going to be struck on the cross. He's going to die.
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But out of that striking, he will give living waters to the nations. And if they drink of him,
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they will be saved. So when Moses struck the rock a second time, he destroyed the metaphor because
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Christ died once and for all. And so it, it messed up the metaphor. Now that doesn't make it any more
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easy for us as human beings to navigate through the seemingly disproportionate punishment, dude,
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Moses was this nice guy. He was doing everything he could. He had all this responsibility on his
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shoulders. He, he saw, you know, the, the hind quarters of God. Again, I think that was the
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pre-incarnate Messiah that he saw and that he was interacting with in the bush and things like that.
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But the fact of the matter is, well, you know, God's a God of grace and he forgives us and like
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give Moses a free, doesn't Moses get one free pass? Like he doesn't even get to see the promised land
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because he struck the rock. You know, but, but yeah, is there something even more deeply metaphysical
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going on there with, with the rock? I don't know. I've never thought of that before. I would have to,
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I would have to look at that, but you know, as a writer, I had to read all of these books. And
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when, when you're writing fiction, there's a type of an author where they're really good at making
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things other than people, characters in their book. Now, a good example of this writing style
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is Tolkien, the ring was a character, you know, there, there were certain places in his, his book
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that were, they were part of the characters like tree beard, you know, and even you could say certain
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like gates of cities and things like that. So what's fascinating where I'm going with that is
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in the Bible, it appears to me that mountains are characters. They're more than just geological
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formations that appear here and there. When you look at the mysticism surrounding mountains,
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Mount Moriah, when you look at the Mount of Olives, when you look at Mount Hermon being an obvious one,
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right? You have a lot of connections with interdimensional travel and these mountains.
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So we are dealing with, uh, stargates here or portals to use more modern terminology. Uh, we have, um,
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let's go to Mount of Olives for an example, cause I love this one. This one fascinates me
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long before the Mount of Olives became a main character with Jesus. Cause Jesus was always hanging
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around up there. Right. Ezekiel is at the river Kibar in Babylon. He's, he's some, I think he's like
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24, 25 years into the 70 year dispersion there. Right. He's taken up, he's caught up and he's brought
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to Jerusalem where he's then shown things going on in the temple steps and Ezekiel eight, you know,
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where he sees what's going on underneath the underground and stuff. But it says that when he
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enters and departs Jerusalem, it's through the mountain on the East. So that's the Mount of Olives.
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So Ezekiel, his body is still there at the river Kibar. If people had approached him, it would have
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looked like he was asleep there at the side of the, of the river, but some part of his spirit,
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soul, you know, chi, whatever worldview you want to call that aspect. It's taken out of his body
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and it's brought to Jerusalem via the Mount of Olives. Thousands of years later, we have Jesus
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who ascends back into heaven after his resurrection on the Mount of Olives. We have prophetic texts that
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talk about when Jesus returns, he's going to set foot on the Mount of Olives. And I'm going to add
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another piece to this, that not a lot of people know for those of us who have been to Israel,
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there's a, they take you to this garden tomb and it's this beautiful little serene place where they
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think likely this is where Jesus was buried. Uh, but according to the work of Rabbi Zev Perat,
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a Messianic Jew, his book, something, uh, it's something like, uh, unmasking
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the Chaldean spirit. It's something about unmasking the Chaldean spirit. He devotes numerous chapters
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in the book. Now this is a guy born and raised in Israel, native speaker of Hebrew, reads the Bible
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in Hebrew and has access to, to the Holy land, right? He dedicates several chapters in his book
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to an extremely credible theory that Jesus was buried on the Mount of Olives. So now we have his
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descension down into Tartarus for three days happening on Mount of Olives. We have his
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resurrecting on Mount of Olives. We have his returning again on the Mount of Olives. And we have Ezekiel
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going back and forth between Babylon and Jerusalem via the Mount of Olives. So when you look at
00:49:07.420
Hermon, 200 watchers who left their first estate are dimensionally able to come into the physical
00:49:14.600
realm and interact with humanity by coming down Mount Hermon. And I'm sure many of your listeners
00:49:21.960
are savvy enough to know, uh, the, the parts of Mount Hermon to this day that have UN territorial space.
00:49:30.660
There's plaques up there that talk about, this is where the covenant was made that, you know,
00:49:35.260
they might've moved that stone to a museum. Uh, Derek and Sharon Gilbert talk about it. There,
00:49:41.280
there was at one point a monumental stone on top of, uh, Hermon that if you translated it,
00:49:49.220
it basically said, this is where the watchers came down and made a covenant. Uh, also interesting
00:49:55.500
that I'm sure a lot of your listeners know at the foot, at the base of Hermon is Pan's Grotto.
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the, now this is what's interesting. And I'm, I'm veering a little bit onto a different,
00:51:34.980
oh, thank you. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. We have Pan and Pan's Grotto, which was kind of believed to be
00:51:44.880
the gateway to hell there. Jesus is having his discussion with Peter before, um, Jesus transfigures.
00:51:54.160
Now that scholars disagree on where the transfiguration was. I tend to enjoy this, uh,
00:52:00.680
interpretation the best. He transfigures into his glory on Mount Hermon. Now, theologically,
00:52:08.880
that makes more sense to me because he's basically given the middle finger to his enemy, whose gates
00:52:15.740
are at the base of this mountain. So before they ascend up this mountain, he says to Peter three
00:52:20.740
times, who do you say that I am? You are the Christ, the son of the living God. You are the Christ,
00:52:25.020
the son of the living God. You are the Christ, the son of the living God, declaring it in your face,
00:52:30.960
Pan, right in front of, and then what does Jesus say? Upon this profession, I will build my,
00:52:36.720
my church and the gates of hell right there will not prevail against it. He's talking right there
00:52:42.980
about the gates of hell. Then they, they go up this mountain, this mountain that facilitated
00:52:48.920
the very need for, for the flood and for the covenants and for the Messiah. Jesus is there to fulfill
00:52:59.180
his purpose. He goes to the top of the very hill that the watchers came down and transfigures into
00:53:08.700
his glory. Then he does the same thing. After he dies, he descends into Tartarus. He's not going to
00:53:15.500
Abraham's bosom. He's not going to Sheol. He's not going down and giving a Sunday school lesson to
00:53:20.720
Abraham and all of the Christians who died, even though there was no such thing as Christianity.
00:53:24.680
He, he, he, he, he was descending beyond Sheol down into the lower parts of the earth. He was in
00:53:32.680
Tartarus. He was in the place. He was in the abyss where the watchers were held in prison until the
00:53:40.980
end times. He got the keys to death in Hades. He, he went down and he told them game over. You guys lost.
00:53:55.460
interdimensional travel between the physical realm and these lower parts of the earth and the astral
00:54:09.700
realms and the third heaven that a lot of these travel experiences were facilitated
00:54:19.200
on mountains. And something that I, I do see a lot of, we're starting to touch on the idea of
00:54:27.340
these stargates, which are prevalent in a lot of ancient civilizations. Um, a lot of it, we don't
00:54:35.720
know what it's for. Um, but now there seems to be a big school of thought emerging around these,
00:54:42.960
that this is for dimensional travel. And it's, it makes me wonder if this was the case once upon a
00:54:52.680
time and it's not the case anymore. And the reason I say that is because when you have things like
00:54:58.220
CERN, which is a very popular, um, talking point when it comes to this sort of thing, interdimensional
00:55:02.580
travel gates, uh, portals being opened up, it seems to me that they're dumping a significant
00:55:11.020
amount of time and energy potentially into creating a technological advancement that would allow them
00:55:16.360
to traverse dimensionally, which then begs the question, are those not available for whether or
00:55:23.820
not it was available ever for human beings? Um, is one thing, but are these things not accessible
00:55:29.400
anymore? Meaning I understand that they have bases. The UN has bases on, on Mount Hermon and,
00:55:36.540
um, and there are all these plaques and everything, but I can't help, but wonder if it's sort of a
00:55:42.300
non-functioning thing anymore. And now they're, they're trying to resurrect that technology. They're
00:55:46.840
trying to, you know, sort of tower of babble it, if you will, for lack of a better expression. Um,
00:55:53.460
but they're doing it underground and a large particle accelerator, or they're doing it, um,
00:56:01.620
ritualistically, you know, sort of the way that maybe a coven would, um, with enough energy,
00:56:07.780
negative energy, things of that nature. There are all these stories anecdotally, sure, but they do
00:56:14.880
compile together to start to paint a pretty compelling case that there are efforts being made in various
00:56:20.620
military base locations. Um, oftentimes it seems that there are children involved in these experiments,
00:56:27.560
uh, enough so that it's given rise to theories that through ritual and through trauma, you could
00:56:35.040
potentially open portals. This is something that... Well, it does seem like elevation. Elevation plays a
00:56:40.280
role in it, right? So like mountains, mountains are high up, but now it's all cavernous cave system
00:56:46.380
stuff. Like that's where a lot of this, this, uh, these portals, inter- dimensionality, a lot of
00:56:52.560
these stories come from weird cavernous places, specifically Indiana. Um, so there has to be
00:56:58.160
something to that, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I, okay. I love the way that this conversation is shifting
00:57:05.520
because I totally agree with you. If they knew how to open the portal that they were really looking to
00:57:13.000
open, we'd be finished. I mean, we, it would be world war three at this point, because if you go
00:57:18.620
back to, as you perfectly, you know, coined it, babbling it, right? Cause we do know that that's,
00:57:25.960
that's ultimately, they weren't trying to build a skyscraper. They were trying to penetrate the,
00:57:29.920
the throne room. And we get more of an insight into what they were doing by reading the tower of
00:57:37.000
Babel account in the book of Jubilees. It flat out says what they were planning on doing. And
00:57:44.400
their, their agenda is very closely paralleled to the I wills of Satan in Isaiah. We will ascend the
00:57:54.400
heavens. We will take over the throne. They, we will kill God. We will take over the scepter of planet
00:58:02.020
earth. We will rule. And, and so they were attempting to storm heaven. And we know this
00:58:08.800
is the goal because go to, go to the book of revelation. They finally get up there and they
00:58:12.900
have a war. That's what they've been waiting their whole life for. And so, um, with, with
00:58:19.080
their let in though, in the book of revelation, whereas like, it kind of makes me wonder for the
00:58:24.620
tower of Babel, if they were able to storm heaven, there's a, I'm like, why was God like what? God was
00:58:30.780
like destroyed that. He's like, no, you're not doing that. It's like, was that actually
00:58:33.780
a threat was like, yes. Were you worried about that? So I don't think so. Cause I really am
00:58:39.360
liking this idea that they've been closed off, which is why they're so desperately doing all
00:58:43.860
these rituals and coming up with all of this technology in the book of Jubilees. As they
00:58:49.620
attempt to ascend into heaven, they shoot arrows at the sky, which is to me, like, uh, Elon
00:58:57.780
Musk shooting all these things that honestly, uh, you know, not to derail you, but it looks
00:59:02.140
like his, his ships are crashing up against, you know, the permanent or something like that.
00:59:06.240
Yes. Legitimately looks like a splash effect of something making an impact against an invisible
00:59:10.960
barrier. Yes. You didn't derail me at all. You took the words right out of my mouth.
00:59:17.280
Arrows to heaven, rockets to heaven. What are they trying to do here? Right now here, here's,
00:59:24.040
here's, what's interesting in the book of Jubilees, the arrows return to earth soaked in blood.
00:59:33.600
Now that's interesting. It almost makes me wonder, and I mean this with the deepest amount of respect,
00:59:40.000
if, if Jesus Christ was the original troll, just trolling them. Cause you know, nothing and you
00:59:46.360
know, nothing like that, you know, nobody in heaven got killed, you know, it's not like anybody really
00:59:50.980
got shot. Right. So it's almost like, and I'm going to, I'm going to bring this back to Psalm two,
00:59:55.440
cause this is one of my favorite passages. Um, Psalm two, all of the power brokers of the world
01:00:03.520
are sitting around this table plotting how that they, how they are going to ascend to heaven and
01:00:09.500
kill Jesus Christ. Right. Uh, and that's the whole triumph at the end. God's like, I will establish
01:00:15.860
my son's throne no matter what you do, but this is the part I love. It says that God laughs at them.
01:00:26.760
But what, what's interesting about this laughter, I think there are two or three times total in
01:00:32.380
scripture, twice in the Psalms. And once I want to say Isaiah, but don't quote me on that. There are
01:00:38.520
three times in scripture where we are told that God laughs in all three contexts, he's laughing in the
01:00:47.360
face of enemies that are directly pointing weapons at him. And in all three cases, what
01:00:55.560
lost you muted there for a second. Yeah. Okay. Okay. In all three cases, we have
01:01:05.280
it muted again. What very strange. It's the Nephilim. I'm going to go ahead and say it.
01:01:13.500
They don't want us to hear it, whatever it is. I always like, I love when the tech goes out.
01:01:20.660
I love when the tech goes out. Cause it's like, okay, we must be on track here. Okay. Yes. Over
01:01:25.340
the target. That's right. There's three cases in scripture where wicked men plot to destroy
01:01:34.480
the kingdom of Jesus Christ. We're going to get them off his throne in all three cases. That's right.
01:01:41.820
In all three cases, God's response is laughter. We're going to talk about that perhaps a poor
01:01:52.960
biblical interpretation in a second. And then in all three cases, once the laughter has emitted from
01:01:58.520
heaven, which is a frequency, we have not only the plots of the wicked failing, but we have their own
01:02:06.020
weapons turning on them. And I am just wondering if this laughter of God
01:02:12.920
has more to do with frequency than, than sound. Like, I don't know. I don't necessarily think God's
01:02:21.260
up there going like Santa. Right. But, um, we see elsewhere in scripture that when the voice of God
01:02:28.940
is heard from heaven, I think there's two or three times where human beings hear the voice of God from
01:02:33.680
heaven. This is my son in whom I'm well pleased. And then there's another occasion where, uh, the, uh,
01:02:39.200
God speaks from heaven. And Jesus said, it was not for my benefit that, um, you heard it's for your
01:02:43.920
benefit that you heard this. Um, Oh, it's when, um, Jesus said, glorify your name. And father said,
01:02:50.280
I will glorify it. I have glorified it and I will glorify it again. And then Jesus says that that audible
01:02:56.020
voice was for your benefit, not mine. Right. And so there's actually only three occasions in
01:03:03.440
scripture where human beings hear the voice of God, the father. Now that's controversial because
01:03:09.320
there's a lot of Lords and Yahwehs and gods all over scripture, but you have to understand from
01:03:15.620
the vowel renderings and the Nazaretic text from the original Hebrew and that Yahweh and Yahweh,
01:03:23.080
depending upon the vowel leanings, it can be Yehovah or it can be Yehovi. And many of the times that
01:03:28.960
we're told in church that God is talking or God is doing this, it's actually the pre-incarnate Messiah
01:03:34.120
that is at play there. And so that makes, that confuses and distorts and throws off so much
01:03:42.000
evangelical Christian theology because we're thinking we're dealing with God and we're actually,
01:03:47.140
we're, we're dealing with Jesus more times than we think. So there are many times in scripture where we
01:03:54.140
hear the voice of God and the crowds are divided because some think it's an angelic voice and some
01:04:01.840
think it's thunder. And so if you actually look at the decibel level, I think, I think the average
01:04:09.240
decibel level of thunder is 120 decibels. And if you compare that to the decibels of uproarious,
01:04:16.920
very loud, obnoxious laughter, it, it plugs in very close. And if you have like a visual of a sound
01:04:23.360
wave of the frequency and you compare and contrast a sound wave of thunder and a sound wave of uproarious
01:04:29.920
laughter, they look very similar. So I don't think this is just my ignorant theorizing. I don't think
01:04:37.960
that it's really communicating an emotion there that God's up there laughing or mocking or being mean
01:04:43.820
or being passive aggressive. Uh, I, I think that it actually is saying the Lord utters his voice. He utters a command
01:04:55.100
and the frequency to the best of human understanding is mimicking laughter because that's the decibel level
01:05:03.780
we're at, but I don't think, I don't think we're dealing with God laughing at people. I think we're
01:05:10.280
dealing with a missile defense system. You're going to shoot your arrows and your rockets up here.
01:05:16.600
Nice try. All he has to say is no, or, you know, whatever word he wants. And if that's going to sound
01:05:24.400
like laughter to us or sound like if it's going to register on all of our high tech equipment as laughter
01:05:30.200
or thunder, whatever, you call it, whatever you want human beings with your limited English language,
01:05:34.300
but it really is. I think the voice of God, which is acting as a missile defense system. And I'm not
01:05:41.560
going to pretend for one second to understand all of this. I'm talking above my pay grade here, but
01:05:46.040
from what little I know about sonar, which is all, uh, using frequencies to destroy the path of missiles
01:05:55.340
and things like that. And, but this is like underwater kind of stuff, right? When you look at Jesus
01:06:01.860
coming on the clouds, he's always coming on the clouds, right? And, and even that
01:06:09.100
you, you've got these 551 ton clouds, full of water, full of condensation, full, you know?
01:06:20.560
So again, I just think that this concept of Jesus is just like standing with his little
01:06:28.180
sandaled feet on a puppy little cloud. Cause it just makes really good painting. Like everything
01:06:33.340
about that, all about the clouds, all of the stuff that have to do with frequency and condensation
01:06:40.260
and science and all of this. I believe that even the reason he's standing on the clouds is because
01:06:48.060
his voice, the frequency of his voice as he utters commands have different powers and capabilities
01:06:57.280
when he's standing in 50, 551 tons of condensation than he would, if he was just sitting on a throne
01:07:03.040
up in heaven, that there's, there's aspects, um, of when you, when you're introducing water and air
01:07:09.300
and air pressure and height and, um, you know, how many miles or kilometers you're up in the sky
01:07:15.020
and, and the frequencies and the different frequencies that are admitting. And so with
01:07:19.540
this whole CERN thing, I do believe that ultimately what they're trying to do is bust open the portal
01:07:27.820
that brings them into the third heaven. That's the, I will of Satan. I will storm the throne room.
01:07:35.440
So put your money where your mouth is Satan. Oh, he's there in the book of Job. So Satan just
01:07:41.160
comes and goes into heaven anytime he wants, like it's revolving door. I don't even know if that's
01:07:47.000
the same guy. You guys, Satan is just the Hebrew word for adversary. You think God's got one adversary.
01:07:53.000
He's got millions of them. It seemed like a job title. Um, yes, it's, it's a job title. And so
01:07:58.760
I believe that if the Satan were all talking about the one who wants the scepter of the kingdom of God,
01:08:04.440
if he could go into heaven anytime he wanted, he'd be there. This would be done. This would be taken
01:08:12.220
care of. The fact is to your point, original Dave, your original point, they can't get into the third
01:08:18.720
heaven. They can't get us. They can get as far as the astral, but that's no good. Uh, I, I don't think
01:08:28.100
that they can get into, into heaven. And when they do finally storm heaven and they get in it, uh,
01:08:35.480
it's going to be because God set out a welcome mat and said, come and get it boys.
01:08:40.620
That's my feeling too. Uh, I I'd, I'd like to get your thoughts on, on this because we're talking
01:08:44.740
about God and his throne being in the highest of places. Um, top and I have stumbled upon something,
01:08:51.520
uh, in great part because of Tony Merkel's research, but also because of our own personal
01:08:58.080
experiences with, um, a guest that we had who shared their, their, their testimony with us.
01:09:05.060
And seemingly what's happening is there are groups of people. We're talking about God's throne being
01:09:12.060
in the highest place. Uh, and so the inversion of that would be that these fallen, um, which I
01:09:17.940
imagine have several thrones, uh, they're in low places and localities because they're not omnipresent
01:09:23.940
like God. So in Indiana, in Southern Indiana, there are an alarming amount of people in that area
01:09:32.920
expressing something having happened to them that they all share in common. And many of them don't
01:09:41.420
know each other. And that is that they have a dream or a vision. Some of them are very much okay
01:09:49.680
with it being much more than a vision, but an actual reality, something that they experienced
01:09:53.300
of being recruited or at least, um, given the opportunity to be recruited by ball and that
01:10:04.440
ball will offer them this opportunity in his throne room. And that this throne room is underground
01:10:11.880
and one or two times you hear that story and you go, that's fascinating. Four, five, seven
01:10:19.760
times you hear that story and you start to say something's happening here. When you find
01:10:25.420
out that all these people live in the same state, in the same part of the state, now I think it's
01:10:31.520
time to investigate. So what I first discovered was that this part of Indiana happens to be over
01:10:39.920
the largest cave system in certainly United States, but I suspect North America. Um, and it runs
01:10:48.960
primarily through the Appalachia mountains, but it stretches all the way to Illinois. And where all
01:10:56.840
these people are is over a segment of this cave system. This cave system, by the way, is one that if
01:11:04.260
you lie the, a map of missing persons over a map of the cave systems, they align, uh, perfectly. So
01:11:14.440
the highest density of missing persons in the United States of America also happens to be in alignment
01:11:20.200
with the highest density of cave systems in the United States of America. And so on a whim, I said,
01:11:27.380
oftentimes we name a place because of its spiritual significance. In other words, you'll hear of a
01:11:36.420
town with a road and that road is called, you know, um, the, the crone's claw or something like
01:11:45.340
that. You know what I mean? And it's like, well, why is it called that? And then you find out that
01:11:48.960
there's a tremendous amount of lore associated with the area. Like the fact that people, uh, see what
01:11:53.880
they think is a witch or children go missing or something like that. So I decided to start looking
01:11:59.100
for in that area, um, any place that had an interesting name. And immediately I, I came upon
01:12:06.260
just to the West of Southern Indiana, a place in Illinois called Garden of the Gods, which I thought
01:12:15.820
was significant because you have the Garden of God or the Garden of Eden, right? And then you have the
01:12:21.320
Garden of the Gods, which is they emulate and they invert. It's what they do. And so I thought there may
01:12:27.500
be some significance to that place. If you look it up, it's, it's a pretty remarkable place. A lot of
01:12:33.400
really beautiful, um, stone formations, but a tremendous amount of cave systems. And the next
01:12:42.300
logical step was to see if there was any bizarre sightings around the area, cryptids and things like
01:12:47.280
that turns out there's a plethora of Bigfoot sightings and pretty much any other cryptid that
01:12:51.380
you could imagine as well as UFOs and things like that. So basically what I'm getting at is we're
01:12:56.120
starting to paint this picture. There's a tremendous amount of cave systems. There's this idea of the
01:13:00.180
throne room of, throne room of ball. Um, and there is the, the, the garden of the gods in this location.
01:13:09.140
And I just wonder if, you know, we, we look at CERN and CERN is an underground operation. Um,
01:13:16.640
it seems like the spiritual high places are closed to them or they can't access these gates. They're
01:13:21.000
not there anymore for whatever reason. God's throne is in this spiritual high place. It would make sense
01:13:27.200
to me that their throne is in a spiritual low place. And all of these stories are talking about
01:13:32.160
ball being in a giant underground cavern with his throne sat in the middle of a room where all these
01:13:38.620
tunnels, by the way, culminate, which is interesting to me because we're dealing with a very vast
01:13:44.160
cave system. So the idea that there's a central hub where all of these tunnels, uh, meet is very
01:13:50.000
interesting to me. So I just want to know if any of that makes any sense. Cause I'm not a biblical
01:13:55.260
theologian. I'm more like, uh, a schizophrenic conspiracy theorist. And so I'm very comfortable
01:14:02.520
with my ideas being based off of, you know, unfounded claims and things like that happens all the
01:14:08.140
time. I'm wrong a lot, but for some reason, this speaks to me. Um, and, and I wonder, does it to
01:14:16.520
you? Oh yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. So, and just kind of with, with what you're saying too, I just
01:14:23.640
want to tack on, I, I've kind of invented like my own research genre. I call, I call myself as a
01:14:30.820
researcher at speculative nonfiction is what I write. We're talking about real things, real places,
01:14:35.400
real people, real experiences, but I want to speculate, you know, I don't want stuff chiseled
01:14:43.180
in stone. I'm not looking to get peer reviewed articles, uh, published in journals and things
01:14:48.500
like that. I want to take us beyond the safe little places that we as Christians can talk.
01:14:56.360
And I want to say, Hey, what if, and if someone comes back to me and says, you know, that doesn't
01:15:01.280
jive with the scripture here? Oh, you know what? You're right. And I studied it out and I went back
01:15:05.920
to the Greek and I, and yet, you know what? You're right. I'm super disappointed that that
01:15:10.000
dead ended. Cause that was a really cool theory, but yeah, you're right. And, but it's okay. It's
01:15:14.100
okay. If we have to backtrack, it's okay. If we get a little bit into the woods and go, ah,
01:15:19.060
no wrong way. We're going to turn around and realign our compasses. That's fine. And I think we have
01:15:23.940
to be less scared of, of that, but we also have to be humble enough that when we get to that place
01:15:30.400
in the woods, where we realize we have taken a wrong term to admit it and go back. Cause some
01:15:35.140
people get so enamored with their own theory. Like everyone's out there looking to be the Indiana
01:15:40.080
Jones of their doctrine and come up with this book. No one's written. And there is a point where if it
01:15:44.900
doesn't jive with scripture anymore, you have to let it go. And some people can do that and some
01:15:49.180
people can't. So with that said, I can't believe you brought up garden of gods because I was just
01:15:56.480
there. I've been there more than once, but, um, a few months ago, I think in June, my dad and I were
01:16:04.920
out there and we, if it's the one that you're talking about, it's a seven mile loop that you can
01:16:13.780
drive around. And if you don't have a pretty sturdy four wheel drive, depending on what season, um, it
01:16:20.780
could be hard to drive through there. Like I wouldn't be taking a huge RV through it or something, but
01:16:24.700
we ended up spending about 10 to 12 hours there, which it obviously it doesn't take that long to
01:16:32.700
drive a 17 mile loop, right? We couldn't get enough of it. It was the most eerie, bizarre,
01:16:43.780
place. We were out there climbing all over things. We were taking pictures. We saw stuff
01:16:49.440
and, um, long story short, I showed some of my pictures and ran by some of my theories with
01:16:56.600
someone way smarter than me. And I was just shy of being mocked to scorn because of my, um, ignorance
01:17:05.540
in erosion and how, I guess, I guess when you've got rock formations out in the middle of nowhere,
01:17:12.300
where there's no other mountains and things erode down to perfect square blocks, I guess
01:17:17.920
that's just sand and weather and I'm just moving it. Okay. But what, what was really fascinating
01:17:23.440
for me guys was you've got a 17 mile loop. You've got a whole bunch of fragments of things
01:17:34.440
in between where on the top of these structures, there's a line of demarcation because of erosion
01:17:42.380
with a totally different type of rock on top of it. And then spattered around this 17 mile
01:17:52.920
circle, if you will, are fragments of, of rock that don't look like formations or statues or sculptures
01:18:01.300
or buildings. It looks like, Oh, I don't know the ruins of an old city wall.
01:18:09.180
And, and so it just, it's fascinating to me how, I don't care what you're talking about. If you're
01:18:19.160
talking about garden of the gods, the grand Canyon devil's tower, there's all of these things that we
01:18:26.420
have spent hundreds of years driving to walking around, taking pictures of and buying the t-shirt
01:18:34.320
and we don't even know what we're looking at. We don't know what we're, we are looking at the ruins
01:18:42.760
of an older earth, you know, and I'm not talking about, you know, pre-atomite stuff right now.
01:18:50.760
We could talk about that anytime you want. I'd love that combo. But what I'm talking about is
01:18:54.280
we don't know what this country looked like 200 years ago. We can speculate, Oh, and the Europeans
01:19:04.300
came over and it was native Americans before this time. But then you've got a whole bunch of
01:19:09.240
native Americans now saying, we didn't build the mounts. They're not ours. We did. They were here
01:19:15.660
before. And of course they get hushed. And so we, we don't know. And like, I'll give you an example,
01:19:24.580
like of, I saw this thing that came up on my socials the other day and it's like, well,
01:19:29.880
how that could be Photoshopped. And what would I know? I don't, it was a side-by-side picture of,
01:19:35.260
uh, one section of the grand Canyon and an old, um, used and abused dried up copper mine.
01:19:43.720
Um, and yeah, they got the pictures to look side-by-side exactly like each other and the
01:19:50.360
same color and the same, you know, exposure. And, uh, I don't know how long they diddled away
01:19:58.100
in Photoshop to get that result. And I, I don't know. I don't even, I don't know if that's really
01:20:03.260
a picture of the grand Canyon. I haven't laid my eyes on every aspect of the grand Canyon.
01:20:06.780
Have you, have you seen that picture of the grand Canyon where it looks very much like
01:20:10.660
a Sphinx with, uh, a pyramid behind it? And I, you know, to your point, very much the same kind
01:20:17.860
of energy that I bring to it where I'm like, I don't know. I mean, I'll admit it looks strikingly
01:20:22.880
similar, but I don't know much of anything. So I don't know if I can, but yeah, I, I hear what
01:20:30.100
you're saying. Yeah. I don't know what to think about it just because, you know, and this is
01:20:34.440
probably part of the grand agenda with the technology we have now and with Photoshop and
01:20:39.220
with, with all this AI now, you know, now that all the AI, uh, reels are coming out and now you
01:20:46.320
got to sift through the comments to even see if something's real.
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plan. Now we have to question everything. And, and so I, I don't know, but here's what I do know.
01:21:53.460
I wouldn't know what an abandoned copper mine looked like to save my life. And I don't know if it looks
01:22:02.720
like certain parts of the Grand Canyon. Now it's interesting when you read apocryphal books
01:22:09.300
that talk about the massive expanse of gold and copper and all of these things that, that were
01:22:21.060
supposedly in the earth. And, you know, you do start to wonder, is there more to this topography than
01:22:28.320
we're being shown? Uh, are, are there places in Antarctica that are just like mountains and
01:22:34.620
mountains of iron ore or gold or like, how would we know? How would we know? And so I just enjoy
01:22:41.780
speculating, but, but to the point of all of these cave systems and these things that are now being
01:22:52.440
called into question, you know, like devil's tower and is it a tree and it, you know, all this kind
01:22:56.360
of stuff that what all that stuff leads me to conclude is we don't know what we're looking at.
01:23:09.200
You know, we're being told this is a mountain, that's a tree. This is a Canyon. This is erosion.
01:23:14.560
This is thousands of years of rain. You know, Hey, if you, you know, if you, if you let your,
01:23:20.780
if you're, if you let your faucet drip for a million years, you'll have a Grand Canyon in your
01:23:24.900
bathroom. Like, you know what I mean? I'm just being facetious, but the fact of the matter is
01:23:28.360
we don't even know because we have had hundreds of years of hyperinflated, allegedly scientific
01:23:40.060
explanations for everything that we see. And we don't ever question it. And half this stuff.
01:23:47.360
I don't even think we know what we're looking at anymore. How do we know this wasn't a stargate?
01:23:51.700
How do we know this wasn't a 50 foot tall tree? How do we know this wasn't an iron mine? I don't know.
01:23:57.920
Sometimes I do get the impression that there's an elevated scientific language that's used so that
01:24:03.340
the average person dismisses their own internal notions to object because it's above their pay
01:24:09.860
grade. Like you just said. And, um, I mean, we really are in a weird time where it's like,
01:24:14.600
we went through what we went through in 2020 with the lockdowns and we're watching them, uh,
01:24:18.740
redefine what happened in real time. Uh, just happened to me yesterday. Right. Yeah. So yeah,
01:24:24.840
you had an argument with somebody say it was like, he was like, you think things are getting worse?
01:24:29.540
And I was like, verifiably. I mean, I, I have a, this is not to get political here, but I saw this
01:24:35.800
meme on, uh, online and it's just like a list of things. This is just since 2020, you know,
01:24:41.620
like, so these are Trump things that we don't even remember what happened or the truth. Him calling the
01:24:46.200
not neo-Nazis fine people, Russian collusion, Biden sharp his attack, uh, Kamala Harris was never the
01:24:52.380
board. All these things that it's like, no, no, I saw that happen. I remember that. And it just kind
01:24:57.560
of got memory. Oh, this is four years, four years. Give these people a hundred. I mean, give them a
01:25:02.560
couple of, you know, a couple of lifetimes, get away with whatever you want. So yeah,
01:25:06.900
what we're seeing, who knows? And honestly, right now, I don't know if you've seen this Vicky,
01:25:12.200
but there is a rise of in popularity of the theory that we are in the little season. And one of the
01:25:19.740
reasons that people speculate that, and, and we've done a couple of episodes on it and I lean towards
01:25:24.740
it not being true. However, I have a great deal of empathy for people that suspect that it is true
01:25:30.020
because they're leaning on things like Tartaria, which is the remains of a city or an empire that
01:25:37.700
we were never made to even know existed. Um, and it's evidences all over the world. We did an episode
01:25:44.360
with, um, Dr. Narco Longo of, uh, old world Florida. And he's showing us things about how there are Viking
01:25:52.740
anchors, ship anchors, all over Florida, that they found Viking burial mounds in the swamplands
01:26:00.980
of, uh, you know, inside the panhandle, I believe. In Tampa, dude. Yeah. And it, there's so much
01:26:08.100
that doesn't check out. You're right. We're given this, um, sterilized, homogenized view of,
01:26:14.480
well, the Europeans, they landed on the shores of North America and that basically it was just
01:26:20.020
inhabited by, um, hunter gatherers who had never built anything of any real meaning and, uh, they
01:26:26.740
were conquered. And now everything that you see is a development of, of people from, uh, from Europe.
01:26:33.380
And what about the mounds? What about the serpent mounds, right? Ohio is full of seemingly buried
01:26:40.420
temples of some sort. I mean, that's usually what's in these mounds when you unearth them. It's,
01:26:44.180
it's very much the case where that's something we're willing to know. Archaeologists are willing to
01:26:49.060
tell us like, yeah, in South America, you'll find mounds that when you end up digging are buried,
01:26:54.900
um, temples. And so it leaves it open to speculation that that's what's happening here. And I, I,
01:27:00.740
some of, some of me wonders if the obfuscation is, is on purpose to get us to this point where like,
01:27:09.620
all we have is the ability to speculate wildly. You know what I mean? It's like,
01:27:15.060
yeah, everything is on the table because so much was hidden from us. And, and in this
01:27:20.100
age right now, I know in the Bible, it talks about, um, a time where, uh, information will
01:27:27.380
be, and I'm, I'm paraphrasing. I know I'm going to butcher this, but the idea that information will
01:27:31.460
be passed and forth between, uh, back and forth between individuals very rapidly and, and, uh, uh,
01:27:36.500
and that, uh, you know, there will be wars and whispers of wars and all these different things,
01:27:40.020
but it feels like we're in this age of, of confusion. We have more at our fingertips than
01:27:46.340
we ever have maybe, um, in the history of mankind. And so much of it is misinformation
01:27:55.860
mixed with the truth that we've gotten to this point where we're almost not any better for it.
01:28:01.860
Yeah. It, isn't it crazy how we have a Bible verse that says knowledge will increase. That's
01:28:09.940
one of the things of, you know, one of the signs of the end, right? Knowledge will increase. But at
01:28:15.940
the same time in history, the church age is defined as people perishing for lack of knowledge.
01:28:24.020
That's in the church. That's people in the church. So not only is knowledge in general increasing,
01:28:29.460
but plus we have the Holy spirit and we have the word of God. Knowledge is increasing. And guess
01:28:36.340
who is going to die because they don't have any knowledge? The church, my people, my people are
01:28:43.220
perishing for lack of knowledge. Can I ask you this? What type of knowledge, right? That's exactly
01:28:47.860
where I was going for, because we, we are bringing it in for a landing. I have to go pick up my son soon.
01:28:52.340
But like, that is a fascinating topic to me. What, what not what knowledge would they be lacking?
01:28:57.940
Yeah. My dad was, he was, he was just arguing me. He was like, ah, you're talking on Facebook like
01:29:03.140
this. He's like, you're educated. And I was like, I don't know what that means. Like, um, yeah,
01:29:07.860
sure. I have like a degree, but educated is, I get insulted if you tell me that I'm educated. I'm like,
01:29:13.460
yeah, it's yeah. It's that's knowledge in a certain world. What I'm doing on Facebook,
01:29:18.820
I'm manipulating people. Yeah. It's a different thing.
01:29:24.580
You know, um, I actually want to do a word study on that. After I get on this, I want to look at
01:29:29.460
and see if the two Greek words are parallel, uh, because I want to, I want to be, uh, not ignorant
01:29:35.300
in what I'm saying, but you know, one of the things that I, I'm sure you guys have run across this. I
01:29:40.900
know I certainly have. There is this idea, uh, and all Christians, we're trying to be good brands,
01:29:48.100
right? We're trying to be good brands. And so I don't ever, I really don't ever get too upset,
01:29:54.800
even when people get triggered with me or the, or they argue with me because we are all just trying
01:30:01.020
to be good brands and we're all trying to figure it out. But here's the deal.
01:30:03.940
This idea that as Christians, because we have this great commission and we're supposed to preach
01:30:14.140
the gospel of Jesus Christ, that he's the way, the truth and life. And he's the only one. So
01:30:17.500
we got to get everybody in that we can, because we, when the war, but when it all hits the fan and
01:30:22.100
the sea war happens, we want everybody on the right team and we want them, you know, a part of the kingdom
01:30:26.220
of God. And I agree with that. But the idea that then that limits our conversation,
01:30:32.780
right to nothing, but preaching the gospel and carrying around a four spiritual laws in our
01:30:37.880
pocket and showing everybody little pictures of the crosses, you know, build bridging a gap and all
01:30:42.560
this stuff. Again, the reason we talk about sleep paralysis and the astral realm and demons and
01:30:50.100
spiritual warfare and obs, obsfucated history. And what are we looking at? What is the garden of the
01:30:58.620
gods? What are these mounds? There are a lot of Christians that are being told even by their
01:31:04.920
pastors, that stuff's not important. It's a distraction that's titillating. People are going
01:31:10.240
to, are going to get interested in, in the devil. Don't give the devil any attention. But the fact of
01:31:16.120
the matter is this is part of the knowledge that wakes people up because the goal isn't to get
01:31:24.840
people into a headlock and get them to pray some prayer. Like, Hey, say uncle, say uncle. Okay.
01:31:31.960
I prayed a prayer. I'm going to go to church now. That isn't even what the great commission says.
01:31:36.540
It says make disciples. That means you're replicating this and you're, you're teaching people. And so
01:31:44.400
I talk a lot in my other podcasts about there's a difference between being a self-professing Christian
01:31:52.780
and walking in covenant with God almighty. And when you look at what it meant in the old Testament to
01:32:02.180
walk in covenant, you could pick them out of a crowd. They didn't dress the same way. They didn't speak the
01:32:10.460
same language. They, they, they worshiped differently. They ate differently. They had their own diet.
01:32:19.300
They had their own clothing. They all had their own haircuts. They had their own holidays. Uh, there was
01:32:25.140
no way for the children of God in old Testament times to live in Babylon and not stand out. And so
01:32:34.440
when I say that we're going to perish for lack of knowledge, it's because we have taken
01:32:41.940
covenant language, we've taken betrothal language from scripture, and we have taken what was meant to
01:32:51.260
be a very intimate, faithful, committed betrothal between man and God. And we've turned it into, um,
01:32:58.940
you know, uh, uh, a dating app, swipe, swipe. Okay. You know, Oh, Oh, I can't pay my rent. So I I'm
01:33:09.100
gonna, I'm gonna, you know, receive Jesus, but everything's okay. A swipe, swipe, swipe.
01:33:15.560
So this concept, Hey, if you're a Christian demons, can't bother you. Hey, if you're a Christian,
01:33:21.440
this, this is available to you. The Bible doesn't use that language. Uh, I think the new Testament uses
01:33:28.620
the word Christian three times and, and it's, it's derogatory. The, uh, in the book of Acts, the,
01:33:34.560
the people of, um, Antioch were, were calling them Christians. It was, it was a racial slur. It was,
01:33:43.740
oh, um, you know, the term, oh, you're all a bunch of yahoos. Like it's an insult. It was the way of
01:33:50.040
saying here, here come all those yahoos, which is probably even more accurate than we think, because
01:33:55.280
if you look into the Hebrew with, with, uh, a lot of the prophets, the, the word yahoo was part of
01:34:02.520
their name. So like Jeremiah was Jeremiah who, and Isaiah was, uh, like Isha, Isha yahoo or something
01:34:09.440
like that. And because prophets and Kings in ancient times, they would embed the name of their God in
01:34:16.180
their names and in their titles. And so a lot of the prophets of Jehovah had this word yahoo at the
01:34:24.040
end of their name, Jeremiah who ish yahoo and, and, and, and the like. So I actually believe that
01:34:31.080
the, you're all a bunch of yahoos is an original derogatory remark. Oh, you're all a bunch of
01:34:35.680
followers of Yahweh. Right. So when, when you say Christians in the new Testament sense, um, that was
01:34:43.160
when people who followed Christ were, were being mocked because they believed that this dead Jew was
01:34:49.880
God. I mean, how dumb can you get? Right. They were being mocked. And so we just have to be careful,
01:34:55.840
uh, that when we say I'm a Christian, that means the same thing as the gospel of Jesus Christ, where
01:35:03.580
Christian means I am walking a set apart covenant betrothed lifestyle. Uh, we see this in Psalm 91 as
01:35:12.640
well. All of those promises in Psalm 91, where we're going to crush the head of the serpent,
01:35:16.880
and we're not going to be fearing that the terror of night and no plague is going to come near our
01:35:21.640
tent. I mean, how many people were claiming that verse in 2020? No plague is going to come near my
01:35:29.440
family, but we skip over the verse that comes right before it. Psalm verse nine, Psalm 91, verse nine,
01:35:38.160
because I have made Jehovah my dwelling place. That doesn't mean you became a Christian or you go to
01:35:44.760
church or you don't swear or take THC gummies. What that means is I have crossed over the threshold
01:35:52.320
and I'm living under the roof and the authority of my high priest and husband, Jesus Christ.
01:36:01.580
And as long as I am in his tent, I am under his protection. I've been adopted into his family.
01:36:07.940
I'm now part of his bloodline. But if I go stepping outside of that tent, every time I feel like doing
01:36:14.440
something Babylonian, I'm not under his protection over here. And it's not this revolving door. Grace
01:36:21.400
isn't this Britney Spears revolving door. Oops, I did it again. Oops, I did it again. Oops, I did it
01:36:26.220
again. No, you have taken on a brand new name. You died to the old self. You are now living in this
01:36:33.260
community over the threshold in the tent of Jehovah. And if you are living in the tent of Jehovah and you
01:36:42.040
are faithful to that betrothal covenant that you have made to him, no plague is going to come near
01:36:47.660
your tent because that's a promise. So if a plague is coming near your tent and you're afraid of the
01:36:54.460
pestilence, if you spend night and day scared to death about what's going to happen because of who gets
01:37:00.240
elected or who doesn't get elected and you're scared to death because of the wars going on in the world
01:37:04.300
or the genetically modified food and you're living in that constant perpetual anxiety and you're being
01:37:11.060
subject to all the plagues of Egypt and all of your autoimmune diseases and your life's a wreck. And
01:37:16.300
you've got to ask the question, have I made him my dwelling? Yeah, I go to church. I'm a member of this
01:37:22.820
church. I go every Sunday. I don't smoke, drink or swear, but that's not the same as covenant. And the
01:37:30.240
covenant is the protection. The covenant is what gives us the supernatural protection going all the
01:37:38.300
way back to the first part of our conversation. That's the key to effective spiritual warfare.
01:37:45.140
If you know your authority in Jesus Christ, nothing will harm you. And so if there's gaps in your armor,
01:37:55.580
if there's swords getting in, you got to look and say, what part of my definition or my knowledge of
01:38:04.160
being a Christian is more congruent to my culture than it is to the doctrine of the scriptures?
01:38:12.020
Galatians 1, if we preach any other gospel, even if the gospel comes from an angel in heaven or the
01:38:18.060
astral realm or a being of love and light in our dream world, if that gospel is, hey,
01:38:25.140
you can be a Christian and a new ager. Hey, you can be a Christian and a Wiccan. Hey, you can be a
01:38:30.020
Christian and a Luciferian. That's another gospel. And so I really think that we as a church need to
01:38:38.260
get better about identifying who we really are. When you say you're a Christian, what does that even
01:38:45.980
mean? We as a church have an identity crisis right now. There's too much Babylonian blood running
01:38:52.840
through our veins and we are going to perish for lack of that knowledge. And that's why we got to
01:38:58.280
talk about this esoteric stuff and why we can't just be talking all the time about how much Jesus
01:39:03.640
loves us. Because because he loves us, he wants us to understand and know the things that are against
01:39:12.280
us. We have to know our enemy. I want to say on the topic of the church saying any interest in these
01:39:22.180
esoteric ideas will lead to fraternizing with the devil or something like that. I do think that there
01:39:32.060
is a fair warning in that message. Yes. But I also think that it is too ungiving or unyielding. And the
01:39:41.680
reason I say that is because I wasn't raised religious. There was nobody in my family bringing
01:39:47.100
me to church as a child. It was my own strange spiritual experiences, sleep paralysis, the hat
01:39:52.820
man, all that sort of, you know, I don't want to call it average, but you know what I mean? It's like
01:39:59.960
those experiences. Average spooky stuff. Yeah, average spooky stuff that led me to start researching
01:40:07.200
and finding other people's experiences. And what that ultimately opened the door to was me seeing
01:40:13.500
the symbols associated with these entities all throughout Hollywood and the music industry.
01:40:18.920
And my unwillingness to take a conventional explanation as to what these things were and
01:40:24.520
why they were there is what made me a tenacious conspiracy theorist. And it brought me down a path
01:40:32.100
for what would have been 14 years before I finally said, I never was an atheist. I was always agnostic.
01:40:44.080
I just don't have that information yet. I haven't had these experiences yet. I can't say definitively
01:40:49.380
that Jesus is the focal point of this spiritual happening. And ultimately, though, I did have
01:40:59.060
enough experiences to turn that corner and start to not only share my testimony with people, but have
01:41:06.520
conversations like this and try to guide people towards what I believe is the truth. And I got
01:41:13.460
there entirely. I often say I came to. I came to Jesus Christ through the back door of the church.
01:41:21.120
You know what I mean? Like through a dusty alleyway that's filled with esoteric symbols and shadow
01:41:28.560
entities and all this stuff. And there's nobody there. There's no doorman at that back door of the
01:41:34.500
church. Nobody there is guiding you. Nobody's there to explain anything to you. I was just sifting
01:41:40.140
through occultism and esoteric jargon for 14 years. And then it led me to this place now where we get to
01:41:50.420
speak to thousands of people and try to bring people closer and convince them that they should
01:41:55.620
strengthen their relationship with Jesus Christ and that this is, in fact, the most important aspect
01:42:01.300
to the realm that we inhabit is a spiritual one. And so I'm not unique. I didn't have that experience.
01:42:07.860
And it's only my experience. There are so many other people who are, you know, metaphorically
01:42:14.020
sifting through dusty occult tomes. And the church turns their back on these people in that way,
01:42:20.720
at least, you know, they're, they're, they're going to be there to accept it if you turn the
01:42:23.480
corner, but they're going to tell you, you shouldn't do this. And it's like, what made it compelling to
01:42:28.180
me is that the signs of the enemy, they're everywhere. And if you can look to see them and realize that
01:42:38.920
it's true, then the opposite side must be true as well. And that's literally the path that took me
01:42:43.980
to where I am now. So, yeah, but I understand why, like thinking about it, why the church would keep
01:42:48.860
you away from it. I mean, what we were just talking about, Moses goes up the mountain and immediately
01:42:53.360
they turned to another God because they knew about it and they knew the power in it and they knew that
01:42:57.160
it actually worked, that they can do these things. I mean, it's a short term gain for, you know,
01:43:02.580
some punishments after, but yeah, I don't know, man, you open up that door to people. And if you're
01:43:09.840
not, if your specific church is not telling them the truth and explaining why you should choose God
01:43:17.260
and you have to constantly explain to them why you should choose God, which is, I mean, it maybe says
01:43:21.940
that that's all our choices are. We're constantly choosing God or not choosing God. And we fail all the
01:43:27.180
time. Every time you don't choose God, it's very easy to do. Now you open up that door to the occult,
01:43:32.360
where this magic is real and you're presenting some extraordinary powers to people, just normal
01:43:39.780
people. I don't know if you're not on your, if you're not like a convincing person, if you don't
01:43:46.200
have good arguments, if you're not, you're going to lose your entire congregation. It's a dangerous
01:43:52.060
game to play, but that's the game that you're playing. You open up a church, you want to, you want
01:43:56.660
to get tithings and offerings. That's the game you're playing, brother. I mean, you're playing in the
01:43:59.780
spiritual realm. So get out or get, you know, get with it. This path to God, maybe it's not
01:44:09.280
easy for everybody. Maybe some of us are meant to have a path. Everybody's walk with God, in my
01:44:14.460
opinion, is unique. You know, it's, I'm not going to be able to, to, to convert somebody through a
01:44:23.820
conversation. Really, all I can do is just share you, share with you my own testimony and the things
01:44:28.080
that I went through and I can, maybe you'll find some connectivity in that and you'll be able to
01:44:32.420
relate and that'll help you on your journey, but I'm not going to be able to convert anybody.
01:44:37.300
Maybe some of us are, our, our, our journey is much more of a test because I was in that space
01:44:42.240
where like, I'm going, well, what is it that they're practicing? What's happening? How are they
01:44:48.260
doing this? And once you start to get to that, the how, the logistics of a ceremony or ritual,
01:44:54.360
you are circling a pretty dangerous drain. But nobody's walk is the same. And, and mine just
01:45:01.380
tested me in a bunch of ways. I'm blessed to have never done anything weird. You know what I mean?
01:45:05.620
I always had this internal sense that this, that, you know, these things were evil. These people were
01:45:10.480
conducting, you know, evil practices, but everybody's is going to be different. So some people were blessed
01:45:18.180
to be raised by a family in a church and, and really did embody those ideas. And it was not much
01:45:24.780
of a challenge for them. I'm sure those people do exist. Uh, but then some of us have to go through
01:45:28.940
a bit of fire and some of us more so than others, right? There are people who were in covens who are
01:45:33.980
now, uh, you know, feverishly following God. So everybody's is different. And I just think that that
01:45:40.660
maybe that is the lack of knowledge that people will die of. And what I mean by that is the church
01:45:50.100
has created a, a situation where church goers can have this, in some cases, weak connection to God
01:46:02.540
while not thinking about any of the greater, darker things. There are people who go to church regularly
01:46:08.340
where if you bring up to them that there is ritualistic child sacrifice happening on a large
01:46:13.900
scale that will blow the skin off their face. They don't even want to look at that. And so
01:46:19.400
without that knowledge, then how deep, how much skin in the game are you ready to have without that
01:46:29.320
knowledge? And then you perish. Whereas I recognize that this is definitional warfare, not in a light
01:46:37.740
way. This is warfare in, in, in the most serious of ways. And so if it requires all the skin, then it
01:46:45.300
requires all the skin. Yeah, absolutely. You know, one thing I'm really encouraged by this. I think we
01:46:54.680
have had a shift in our church age here in America in, in the last, I don't know if I want to put a
01:47:02.840
number on it, but in Jesus's day, there was the religious establishment and that is not the vehicle
01:47:10.540
he chose to utilize for the spreading of the gospel. He picked 12 blue collar fishermen who failed.
01:47:20.540
They flunked out of rabbinical school because back then all the men were, were trained from the time
01:47:26.040
of childhood. And if you got to that level where they deemed you weren't a studious intellect,
01:47:33.040
they fired you. You got kicked out of school and you got a blue collar job. So he rejected
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They're the one that had all the resources. He picks 12 nobodies making minimum wage. Some of them
01:49:28.300
were educated, some of them weren't and he equipped them. And so I really see that happening in,
01:49:37.640
in our culture now, a lot of the younger people starting with the millennials. And since this has
01:49:47.200
taken over Gen X and some, some Gen X and baby boomers have jumped onto the ship and they've jumped
01:49:52.820
onto the bandwagon, right? But really there was a shift once the millennials got older, right? Where
01:50:00.600
they were like, this religious institution method of spirituality is not working for me. I've got a
01:50:11.220
lot of questions and I get in trouble when I ask them. And I don't like being ostracized as a
01:50:17.380
troublemaker when the motive behind my questions is I want to know God more. And now we've got this
01:50:24.660
trend of deconstruction and ex-evangelicals, uh, which has come out of the older generations being
01:50:33.020
afraid to answer these questions or maybe not knowing the answers. Um, I think there's such thing
01:50:39.780
as constructive deconstruction. I absolutely believe every Christian can and should deconstruct
01:50:46.380
the traditions of their faith. But I believe that if you do it correctly, you will come out
01:50:52.620
an even more on fire disciple of Jesus. Not, you might abandoned the church. You might abandon
01:51:00.580
Christianity, but you will not abandon God or Jesus Christ or, or the gospel of the kingdom as
01:51:06.800
it's laid out in scriptures. And so, uh, I think what, what is the equivalent of the ragtag blue collar
01:51:14.880
disciples is this forum that we're on right now. We've got these podcasters. They're like, Hey,
01:51:22.620
I don't have a college degree. I didn't go to seminary. I don't speak Greek and Hebrew,
01:51:27.420
but this doesn't make sense. And this, this church, uh, formula that hasn't been changed
01:51:36.400
that much in the last hundred years, the worship has changed. We brought in drum kits and the worship
01:51:41.580
has changed, but the format of the church really hasn't changed that much. Uh, this isn't working
01:51:46.180
and the onus is on us to teach the next generation. Like the next generation has to pass this torch on
01:51:53.340
when we're gone. And the, the establishment has failed. Uh, I'm not saying there's not good churches
01:52:00.080
and good pastors out there, but the people that want to get closer to actual understandings of these
01:52:13.380
deeper things. And we're only getting the surface level stuff in the church because you can't take
01:52:19.580
off the titers. Right. And so I, I really do think that the, this podcasting world with where you've got
01:52:27.480
Christians who, Hey, we're going to talk about all of these conspiracies through a biblical lens.
01:52:33.860
Uh, I really do think that it's a revolution and, uh, and you, and you know, there's spiritual warfare
01:52:41.000
because all the people that are, that are talking the truth are, are getting shadow banned and, and
01:52:46.340
pulled off and yanked and the mics are being yanked away from them. But I really do think that we have
01:52:52.200
got a revolution going on here. And, uh, I, I, I just want to kind of give a shout out to my own
01:53:01.040
generation as well as the boomers. You got to let go of the mics. We got to pass them on. It doesn't
01:53:08.160
mean we're silent and we're done, but, um, God is equipping and calling the millennials and the Gen Zers.
01:53:16.340
And there's a lot of them out there that they're getting it. They don't just want to sit in a pew
01:53:22.220
and go home with a swear jar and just try to be good for the week. And then listen to another
01:53:27.560
40 minute sermon that somebody else prepared in their time with God. And like, there are, there are,
01:53:33.940
there's a severe, um, underestimation of the seriousness and the intellect amongst young
01:53:44.920
people. And you can look at the young people and say, Oh, you know, they're, they're just all into
01:53:51.280
the video games and in all this crap. But what if a large portion of the younger people are into all
01:53:59.540
of that stuff because they're bored? Baby boomers. Yeah. Baby boomers, Gen Xers. You have failed to
01:54:07.920
make the Bible. Interesting. Which is insane by the way, because in my, it's so interesting.
01:54:14.900
It became interesting. I mean, as you're saying this, I used to go to church, uh, when I lived in
01:54:20.360
New York, Sundays and Wednesdays and Wednesdays, I would perform with my wife and then, but it's
01:54:26.080
the same format, um, worship, uh, service and then closing. And it's like, this is a much better
01:54:33.840
format. And especially when like the church will have like, Oh, we have a guest speaker. And this guy
01:54:37.540
came from this far away and the guest speaker comes and I don't know when he prepared this message
01:54:42.900
or how long it took him. And he'll preach to you for 40 minutes. But I'm like, you spoke at people
01:54:48.300
for 40 minutes. There was no conversation. This is, this is a conversation. I have a, if I have a home
01:54:53.620
pastor here, I will be bringing in a different pastor and maybe not, maybe not Sunday morning,
01:54:59.260
but if you're doing a Wednesday, Tuesday night thing, this is an hour long podcast and we're sitting
01:55:05.040
on like this, we're in front of an audience. And as a matter of fact, after we're done with this
01:55:08.960
discussion, whatever we're covering, we'll open it up to questions and like get people
01:55:12.880
involved. It's that's a Bible study sort of, but it's also missing this conversational aspect of
01:55:17.880
like those people are there too. And they, they want to ask questions. Maybe that's something
01:55:21.820
that could be moved into the forefront of, of, you know, the modern church. I don't know.
01:55:27.220
Yeah. I think Vicki is right though. It, we, we talk about this a lot at top, right? It's like
01:55:31.440
this idea of whether or not we're going through a resurgence. Um, some people think that there's a big
01:55:37.140
falling away, but it's hard for me to feel like that because as somebody who, you know, wasn't,
01:55:43.140
um, raised religious, didn't have any of this and then set out after I got my information and my
01:55:49.980
experiences and was determined that this is the path. Um, all of a sudden the, the audience just
01:55:55.800
grows exponentially. There's a hunger for this sort of thing. I think Vicki's right though. We're stuck.
01:56:01.720
When I was in the church, we were stuck in that age of, uh, the old guard, the people that were
01:56:05.960
there, the ones that gave the money. They didn't want, you know, we were playing music. They didn't
01:56:10.900
want this type of music and it wasn't anything crazy. It was like, you know, regular Christian
01:56:14.900
conservative music, but, uh, like pop stuff and they were resistant to change. And I look around and I'm
01:56:21.080
like, well, your congregation is literally dying off. You know, like the average age here is 70 and I
01:56:26.540
understand you guys have the money and that's what keeps this place afloat, but there's nobody new
01:56:30.440
coming in and they're not really interested in this. And that, then that means that the word,
01:56:34.640
the pastor and his message is aimed at the people who are there and it's become, it becomes a business.
01:56:40.640
And I do understand that. This is a, how do you, how do you walk that line of, I do need to keep
01:56:46.800
these doors open, you know, and we, and we want to do these great outreach things, but the people are
01:56:53.060
resistant to change. And if we want to get people in, and I'm not talking about this change, like put a
01:56:58.240
rainbow flag in your church, I'm talking, I'm just talking about like just tweaking things,
01:57:01.700
making things slightly better. Like there's, there's ways to do it that are not an affront to
01:57:05.380
God, you know, but it's, it's hard for the church to do. And I get it. I get it, man. I've, I've been
01:57:11.220
in the inner workings of it. I hate it. I hate it with everything in me because they made those strict
01:57:15.640
kind of parameters where like, you're not allowed to explore different ideas and, and albeit like on this
01:57:20.380
show, um, as, as excited as I am to talk to the number of people that we get to talk to. Um, and I mean,
01:57:27.340
the audience, um, you lift those restrictions and people are more receptive to it. But, but
01:57:35.700
admittedly, I know there are moments where my modality of exploration probably makes Jesus rub
01:57:42.100
his temples. You know what I mean? Like these guys are a little bit stressed out with me. You know,
01:57:47.460
I do cross the line very often. Uh, I like to think my heart's in the right place, but I know for sure
01:57:53.100
that I got to have some stuff to answer for about the way that I went about things, but yeah, he's
01:57:57.400
like just a list of tweets. He's like, this was you. That was me. That was a really funny tweet
01:58:04.320
though. Was it not? Oh no. So, I mean, you know, it's, it's a weird time, but I, let me say this
01:58:09.920
though. Before we, before we close it up, you were talking about God laughing and I do like the idea of
01:58:16.260
the, the frequency and the vibration of, of laughter. But I also like the idea that God is
01:58:21.900
hilarious. I do. He is hilarious. Look at the world. Look at us. I think it's also, it's also like a
01:58:28.960
clue. He's like, Oh, they shot arrows at me and I laughed. They threatened me and I laughed. And it's
01:58:34.980
like when these people are blatantly telling you that they're going to kill you, that they hate you.
01:58:40.200
I mean, this is speaking to the political paradigm and the cultural paradigm right now. I found that
01:58:46.200
literally laughing at them and making other people laugh completely disarms them. They don't know where
01:58:51.920
to put you. They don't know how to respond to you. And I just keep being funny. Sometimes I do cross
01:58:56.500
the line and I'm like, I'm sorry. My brain just, we went there. I want to believe that humor is, is
01:59:03.360
important. I want to believe that humor is a huge part. It is. It's proven. It's proven to be
01:59:07.460
important. I've laughed at this person. They have completely stopped. And these are people
01:59:12.440
on the world stage at some point. Like I have no business even communicating with them,
01:59:16.900
but now they're like, uh, going back and forth with Matt Walsh. I mean, why am I talking to this
01:59:23.020
person? Why, why am I even talking with like a Dave Smith? But I do it. You go back and forth with
01:59:27.780
these people and the humor kind of shines through. It'll disarm. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose,
01:59:32.520
depending on how good you are, but there's a very effective tool in that. So when God is laughing at this,
01:59:37.060
that's the ultimate form of just telling you like, you want to diffuse the situation. Like
01:59:42.120
this is a laughter. They don't know how to deal with it. By the way, Vicki, I love the way you
01:59:45.640
laid that out where it's like, God is laughing. Um, but then eventually he opens the door and says,
01:59:52.080
come on in. Yeah, absolutely. I like, I like that. I like that a lot. And another thing too,
01:59:57.140
though, about laughter, you know, when we're not using it as a, as a weapon or as a deflection or a
02:00:02.560
shield, when we're with our friends and we really get laughing and you're dying and tears are coming
02:00:09.360
out of your face, it's an expression of overflowing joy. Yeah. Now what's interesting about Jesus,
02:00:17.060
he's about to die on a cross. He's about to, you know, suffer tremendous physical agony and be,
02:00:24.060
have the wrath of God poured out upon him and be separated from the father. And it was the joy set
02:00:29.700
before him. And so another thing I like about this laughter of God is the whole world has rallied
02:00:37.280
together against me. They've rejected me as their creator. They want to kill me. Their, their vitriol
02:00:44.300
and their hatred is so extreme and it's hilarious, but I still have an overflow of joy because my joy
02:00:55.660
isn't rooted in what you people think of me. I know who I am. I am God. And so we as Christians
02:01:05.200
can take a, a, a line from that in that when people are attacking us and they're on social media and I've
02:01:13.820
got all the Christians telling me there's no such thing as demons and Hey, all sleep paralysis is, is,
02:01:19.020
you know, you ate pizza before you went to bed. And, you know, I don't have to get mad. I don't have
02:01:26.400
to get riled up. I don't have to come up with a plan of attack. You can't touch my joy. Now,
02:01:35.740
if you come at me in humility and I'm wrong and, and you are genuinely pointing something out and I've
02:01:41.400
learned from it, that's great. But the fact of the matter is if your goal is to make a fool out of me
02:01:48.060
or make yourself look smart or, or stave off something about the realities of the spiritual
02:01:54.940
realm that scare you. So you have to deflect it. You can throw all that stuff at me. You can point
02:02:01.000
your arrows at me, but at the end of the day, even if you rile me up, even if I get mad, even if I
02:02:07.980
respond, you can't take my joy. You can't take my joy. It's not up for grabs. It's, it's behind a door
02:02:16.280
door locked. And, and Jesus Christ is the doorkeeper behind that. You're not ever going to
02:02:22.880
diminish my joy. I think that is Vicki Joy. I know I was thinking the same thing. I got her
02:02:31.880
book right in front of me and I could see your name on it and everything. Um, I think it's a good
02:02:35.960
place to bring it in for a landing, mostly because I have to leave in three minutes, but I'm so glad
02:02:42.880
that we were finally able to get this done. I genuinely mean it. Vicki, you're one of my
02:02:46.820
favorite people in the space when it comes to unpacking a pretty serious topic. You do an
02:02:52.400
excellent job of, of not only making it understandable, but, um, making it a joy to talk
02:02:58.740
about. So, uh, one more time, Vicki, please let everybody know where it is. They can find your work.
02:03:03.660
Yeah, absolutely. Vicki joy, Anderson.com. You can find me at Vicki joy author on Tik TOK and
02:03:10.640
Instagram and Vicki joy, Anderson on YouTube and feel free to send in the DMS and the emails
02:03:18.560
and, uh, yeah, check out the demons and parasites, uh, uh, playlist. I got going on there.
02:03:24.660
We have a reason to bring her back. I know, man. We got to talk about the parasites and Cthulhu
02:03:31.280
next time. Oh my God. I know we forgot. I know, man. I know, I know, but that's all right. We're
02:03:37.900
going to have a good reason to bring you back in the future. And I'm really looking forward to it.
02:03:41.580
So guys, please go and support Vicki joy, Anderson and her work, go and get the book. Uh, if you enjoy
02:03:47.860
what you hear, you should be supporting these people because, uh, there's plenty of people we
02:03:52.180
support with our dollar that probably don't deserve it. I'm giving my money every day to Walmart.
02:03:56.180
The least I could do is give it to people that are going out of their way to provide us with content
02:03:59.920
that is going to aid in this spiritual journey. So, uh, go and support Vicki joy, Anderson.
02:04:05.440
And, uh, I think that's it, man. Are we good? I think we're good. We'll see you tomorrow,
02:04:09.820
Friday with, um, what's her name? Uh, we are going to talk to Heidi love, uh, tomorrow. And then are
02:04:17.060
we talking to Ed Mabry? I don't know if he, if he books, maybe Ed Mabry too. We don't know what
02:04:21.840
we're doing at all guys. Uh, but please stick around. Maybe you guys can help us figure that out.
02:04:25.760
All right. Uh, that's it, right? I'm good. Peace out.