Nephilim Death Squad - 079： Battling Spiritual Forces： From Witchcraft to Christianity w⧸ Mama Sha

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00:00:53.500 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:00:58.420 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:01:03.760 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:12.600 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely...

00:01:18.440 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:01:19.700 There's some Neflam shit. 1.00

00:01:20.840 It's like we all know it's going down.

00:01:23.520 We know we're saying shit.

00:01:24.480 What happened to the home of the brave?

00:01:26.700 These motherfuckers are controlling us now. 1.00

00:01:28.720 We know we're talking about how they made us try to be slaves.

00:01:31.820 And everybody's just walking around.

00:01:33.960 Out in the clouds.

00:01:34.620 We want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

00:01:37.060 By hell it's too late.

00:01:38.040 We need to be ready to raise up.

00:01:39.880 Welcome to the end of day.

00:01:41.540 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:51.600 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:01:54.760 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:01:58.240 And today we are joined by Shannon, a.k.a. Mama Shah.

00:02:02.760 Shannon, if you could, for the audience, just introduce yourself and describe sort of the nature of what you're here to talk about today.

00:02:10.460 Hey, everyone.

00:02:13.060 So, like I said, my name is Shannon.

00:02:16.240 I am a Christian, but I came out of the occult and Satanism. 0.79

00:02:23.380 And I'm here to share my testimony.

00:02:25.380 It's sort of like split into two sections where I became a Christian.

00:02:28.920 And then within the last year or so, I realized that the spiritual forces of darkness are very real.

00:02:39.080 And attached to Christians, too.

00:02:42.360 So, that's what I'm here to talk about.

00:02:46.400 Very cool.

00:02:47.380 So, we were suggested to us by Bradley Lyle.

00:02:53.420 And I listened to your interview on there and I caught, I didn't want to, like, ruin the whole story myself.

00:02:59.400 But I think it would be cool to start at the beginning of what was going on in your life.

00:03:05.140 How did you get mixed up in this stuff?

00:03:07.080 And, like, how does your story play out?

00:03:09.840 Like, how does one get into witchcraft and the occult?

00:03:13.880 So, I was raised Christian, kind of like my parents took me to, like, a Presbyterian church a couple of times growing up.

00:03:23.640 But then after they got divorced, I, you know, kids are dramatic and, especially teenagers.

00:03:31.980 So, as a young teenager, I, my parents were divorced.

00:03:36.240 They didn't have very many friends.

00:03:37.760 And I was one of those, like, a typical goth 90s, early 2000s teenager.

00:03:45.760 And so, I found a book at Borders on witchcraft, sort of advertised to teenagers.

00:03:53.840 And up to that point, I had had no idea that witchcraft was, anybody actually believed in it.

00:04:00.220 Like, I thought it was something on, like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Charmed.

00:04:04.500 So, that's, that was sort of my perspective on it.

00:04:09.140 And then once I realized it was real, I was like, hell yeah.

00:04:13.620 Like, why not?

00:04:14.500 Why not?

00:04:15.100 Like, let's, let's dive in.

00:04:16.980 So.

00:04:17.480 It's funny.

00:04:18.060 I think, I think Brad set us up here because he suggested our previous guest, Nix, who basically covered all the sex of Satanism. 0.72

00:04:27.260 And just yesterday, we talked about Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

00:04:30.600 We talked about, like, soft occultism.

00:04:32.680 We talked about witchcraft being hokey.

00:04:34.920 We talked about, like, goth and the style of, like, you know, this kind of, like, this soft entry into the occult and Satanism.

00:04:42.180 And here we are today talking to somebody who this, this stuff just seemed to work on.

00:04:47.780 That's interesting.

00:04:48.540 Brad seemingly pitching us an underhand throw here.

00:04:52.200 When it comes to, it's really interesting that you're talking about.

00:04:55.320 I was just in this bookstore the other day, Books a Million.

00:04:57.980 And there is, like, an entire New Age witchcraft occult section.

00:05:03.020 And it does have a teenage bent to it.

00:05:05.800 And a lot of that stuff is what they pitch at teenagers.

00:05:07.960 And I don't want to be the type of person that's, like, don't watch Harry Potter.

00:05:12.100 But these things do effectively act as a gateway.

00:05:16.220 And I don't, I'm not the type of person that tells people to stay away from it because I think your journey is your own.

00:05:22.240 Here you are sitting before us, right, who you seemingly came to Christ through the back door of the church.

00:05:27.320 That's kind of the expression that I use when it comes to people who first found their way through the occult and then end up Christianity.

00:05:32.760 It's just interesting, though, that you're here telling us it was a, it was a book on witchcraft that was aimed at teenagers.

00:05:39.700 It's like, well, there you go.

00:05:40.600 The door does work.

00:05:41.840 Yep.

00:05:42.240 Well, I mean, teenagers are very impressionable.

00:05:45.080 And they care a lot more about social standing and, like, appearance and everything.

00:05:51.400 Like, poetry, like, dark poetry, like, all of that cheesy stuff that's all teenager.

00:05:57.760 You know what I mean?

00:05:58.520 Yeah.

00:05:58.780 So, it's cheesy to us, but they, obviously, I got super into it.

00:06:04.960 Right.

00:06:05.240 So, what about it was so alluring?

00:06:08.740 Because you said initially when you had gotten into it, you didn't really believe anybody believed in this.

00:06:13.400 Right.

00:06:13.560 And then there was something that was tangible enough that kept you there.

00:06:17.100 What was that?

00:06:18.200 I thought it was attractive.

00:06:19.460 There was some sexual appeal and the whole aesthetic to, you know, like, the goth subculture, you know?

00:06:29.780 And I was very overweight at that time.

00:06:33.500 Like, I was 230 pounds in middle school.

00:06:37.440 And I think that played into it also was, like, wanting some sort of release to, like, escape myself and escape my family, escape everything.

00:06:47.760 And also, witchcraft offers a, you get, like, control.

00:06:52.920 So, you can control a world that is spiraling out of control.

00:06:58.160 And, like, I felt out of control in my body.

00:07:00.600 And it's just, it's a multifaceted issue.

00:07:03.760 But, yes, so I got into witchcraft and I was sort of, like, toyed around with it and built an altar and things.

00:07:14.620 And I tried a few spells and I ended up doing basically, like, a love spell on this kid that I had this massive crush on.

00:07:29.300 And I left a candle burning in my room.

00:07:32.920 And I left for school with the candle burning.

00:07:37.160 And naturally, my room caught on fire.

00:07:40.540 Oh, my goodness.

00:07:41.800 Yeah.

00:07:42.200 And my, when I got home from school, like, the whole house was filled with smoke damage.

00:07:46.580 My room had been, like, burned.

00:07:48.900 And, but the spell worked, which, if you know anything about magic or, like, the law of, oh, what is it called?

00:07:59.120 I can't remember the word.

00:07:59.680 Attraction?

00:08:00.500 Yeah.

00:08:00.840 Well, not the law of attraction, but, look, in a way.

00:08:03.280 So, when you, you sacrifice things to, like, an entity or, like, a spell or whatever, like, it can sort of increase the power.

00:08:16.040 Right.

00:08:16.340 So, as far as your offerings go, you kind of offered our entire room.

00:08:21.340 Right.

00:08:22.560 And it worked.

00:08:23.840 It worked.

00:08:24.120 Which is filled with things that, you know, are beloved to you, right?

00:08:27.340 Right.

00:08:27.440 If you're a teenager in your room that's filled with all of your memories.

00:08:31.020 Yeah.

00:08:31.360 So, you sack.

00:08:31.920 That was a big sacrifice.

00:08:33.080 Burned all your shit.

00:08:34.280 Yeah.

00:08:35.820 This might be, if you don't want to, don't answer it.

00:08:39.360 But is there a specific name entity that's involved with, because I assume that there is going to be a different principality for this sort of magic, this sort of spell that you're doing.

00:08:49.000 Were you in, that deep into it?

00:08:51.360 Um, no.

00:08:53.380 So, I, at that time, I didn't have any idea about, like, demons or, I was into goddesses.

00:09:00.300 So, I was, like, sacrificing to, like, Diana or Hecate or Hecate, however you pronounce her name.

00:09:07.960 Um, and, uh, so my, like, I, I had been, after, after that spell, I started to be attacked by shadow people, but I didn't have any concept about demons.

00:09:20.400 And so, like, that didn't come in until a lot later.

00:09:24.140 Um, so.

00:09:25.200 How effective was this spell?

00:09:27.100 You said that it worked.

00:09:28.220 It worked.

00:09:28.760 It worked.

00:09:29.260 Um, so he, within, like, a couple of months, uh, he asked me out, and I quickly realized I did not like him.

00:09:40.220 And he's, like, yeah.

00:09:42.320 This guy's a simp.

00:09:44.300 Yes.

00:09:44.920 And so, I broke up with him.

00:09:46.940 Um, and he, all the way through high school into college, he had a thing for me and would sort of, I, I think, to, like, an obsessive level because I went on, I, like, became, I became, like, a full-blown lesbian in college.

00:10:01.860 And I, like, bought the, the leftist, liberal, the whole pie.

00:10:08.160 Like, I ate it all.

00:10:09.180 And I was, like, full-blown, blue-haired, literally blue-haired, like, all of it.

00:10:14.560 Um, but even through all of that, that whole time, he had, like, uh, like, an, uh, an obsession kind of thing going.

00:10:22.000 So, I, I personally think, like, looking back, I don't think it was actually the spell that worked, but probably, like, demonic oppression involved there.

00:10:32.820 That's what I think now.

00:10:34.020 But back then, I thought my magic had worked.

00:10:37.440 I want to ask you a question.

00:10:39.200 Can I circle back before you, before you move on?

00:10:41.540 So, you just said, uh, shadow people attacking you.

00:10:44.980 Um, were these, it, were you able to tell, were those, uh, entities or were those people that are, uh, astral projecting?

00:10:53.760 Like, like, you opened up a door and now they're, they have access to you.

00:10:56.620 What do you think?

00:10:56.980 I don't know.

00:10:57.820 I'm not sure.

00:10:58.440 I think that they were entities, I think.

00:11:01.060 Uh, because it was, like, choking and, like, holding me down and, and everything.

00:11:05.120 And it would happen on, like, a consistent basis.

00:11:10.140 So, it could be astral projection.

00:11:11.820 I do have something related to that, that, um, when I was a kid, long before I ever tried witchcraft, um, uh, there was, uh, a Satanist that lived a house, a couple houses down from me.

00:11:27.180 And I think that he had, like, a thing for kids and he would, like, we'd have our pool out as, like, a little kid and be, like, swimming, me and my brother.

00:11:39.140 And he would just be standing there watching us.

00:11:42.080 And, um, I, around that same time, I would wake up sometimes at night and there would be, like, a shadow figure.

00:11:50.240 Or, not, it's more, like, a static, like, on the old TVs, there'd be, like, white noise or static on a TV when it wasn't connected to anything.

00:11:59.600 Um, a figure that looked like that, just static, would be, like, standing in my doorway looking at me.

00:12:06.380 And it happened, like, numerous times.

00:12:10.340 Have you ever heard, Shannon, other people's descriptive of that static man?

00:12:14.400 Because I, I've heard that descriptive several times.

00:12:17.580 Have you?

00:12:17.960 I've only heard, I've, I've talked to Tony Merkel about it.

00:12:21.080 And he said that he had a dream once about, like, a static person.

00:12:25.640 But that's the only person I've heard that, um, about the static people.

00:12:30.320 But I assume.

00:12:31.080 Because it seems to be, like, repeat, um, it's very far and few in between that you find somebody with an experience that somebody else hasn't also seen something similar.

00:12:40.180 And I think that just speaks to the categorization of entities that are in this realm that we can't see.

00:12:46.600 It's not a random thing.

00:12:49.180 Yeah.

00:12:49.280 Oftentimes people are visited by the same entities.

00:12:51.700 Yeah.

00:12:52.860 Yeah.

00:12:53.440 You know, you said something before, um, that you fell into the whole gambit of, you know, leftism or liberalism, uh, you know, becoming a lesbian at some point.

00:13:04.280 Yeah.

00:13:04.480 And you even said, like, the blue hair.

00:13:07.220 It's fascinating because these are political and cultural alignments that always seem to meet this end of the spiritual spectrum.

00:13:15.100 Yeah.

00:13:15.260 You know what I mean?

00:13:15.660 And I just think that that's fascinating because that's not the forward-facing, you know, mask of the movement, but it's always an element to it.

00:13:26.480 And it's, it's, I don't know what it is.

00:13:28.640 It's, like, something about these ideologies and these spiritual practices.

00:13:33.660 They prey on people who are, uh, disenfranchised from the general population.

00:13:38.760 So people that are outliers that have had a negative experience one way or the other socially often fall into these things.

00:13:45.700 It's, it's really, like, these things are parasitic or, or, um, prey-driven and they're waiting for somebody to take advantage of.

00:13:53.340 Um, I, I think that, um, like, wounds like that, like, I'm sorry if y'all can hear that, but, um, I think that on the spirit realm, we have, when we go through social traumas and, um, just whatever, like, emotional trauma, it can leave windows open to our bodies.

00:14:14.940 And I think that that, that window, like, leaves opportunity for parasites, like you said, to climb in through and, like, inhabit and torment us.

00:14:26.520 And it's sort of, like, leaves us vulnerable, especially if you don't have, like, the, the armor of God, for example, which I had no idea what that even was until, like, a couple of years ago.

00:14:38.420 And I think, um, yeah, I think that's exactly right.

00:14:41.820 Um, we talk about it on the show often, um, and it's certainly a contentious topic because it's, it's a touchy one, but it does seem like, um, within these organizations, there is a uplifting of women to a higher spiritual authority place.

00:15:00.260 Um, and when I mean these organizations, I mean, like, uh, covens and, and, you know, uh, at the top of the show, Top Lops has said that yesterday we were discussing various sects of Satanism and such.

00:15:10.600 Within these organizations, they'll elevate women to a high spiritual place. 0.98

00:15:14.980 And I find it interesting that the church doesn't do that.

00:15:18.100 And I just wonder if it's because women are particularly spiritually vulnerable.

00:15:21.860 Um, I think in some ways, women are a bit more in tune with the spiritual realm. 1.00

00:15:28.500 They're more, they can interact with it.

00:15:30.620 They're subjected to it more.

00:15:32.380 Uh, it can interact with them a little bit more than, than men.

00:15:35.100 And I think when you take women and you strip them of their spiritual understanding, but you cannot remove that interaction that still happens to them, that's where things go wrong. 0.91

00:15:44.500 Because now they don't have a map and they seek to further their interactions with this thing that's communing with them.

00:15:51.660 And then we end up with this situation where you have, uh, the mothers of darkness or what have you.

00:15:56.020 Yeah.

00:15:56.960 I think, I think that there is some truth to that.

00:15:59.300 Um, and I don't, I guess, I don't know if you think it's like church tradition or like, I think there's also some like misunderstanding, uh, or misinterpretation of like the writings of Paul, um, about like women shouldn't like speak in church and things like that.

00:16:17.920 Um, yeah, I, it does seem like women are by and large more in tune spiritually. 0.98

00:16:24.960 Um, and it's also the serpent spoke to Eve.

00:16:31.040 So I don't know.

00:16:31.800 It's interesting.

00:16:32.800 Well, I do think that that's the, the doorway.

00:16:35.460 If you want to corrupt, uh, people, it seems that you can leverage women. 1.00

00:16:40.980 And I think this is a mistake that happens over and over again, where we lose our spiritual understanding, but it never stops interacting with us in particular women.

00:16:49.280 And so, um, okay, so let's, let's, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:16:53.200 Let's continue this, uh, this, so you, you are a, for a period, you're really immersed in this culture, right?

00:16:59.660 Uh, like you said, you went through this socially, culturally, politically, um, and of course, spiritually.

00:17:06.660 How do you end up getting to?

00:17:10.500 Did you end up like finding a group or something like that?

00:17:13.120 Or is it real?

00:17:14.740 Okay.

00:17:15.160 Uh, in, in high school, I, uh, found friends and we did form a coven of sorts and it wasn't, I mean, we did some rituals and things, but it wasn't anything super hardcore.

00:17:28.460 But I mean, we did, we did do some magic together and we also, uh, we did like study groups like on magic and, uh, like paganism and things.

00:17:37.360 And, you know, it's a cheesy goth click, you know, so, um,

00:17:44.660 What did you try to do, if anything, about this shadow people? 1.00

00:17:48.580 You said that you were having instances where it seemed like you were being choked and such.

00:17:52.100 Did you take any recourse?

00:17:53.600 I, no, that would have been smart.

00:17:57.560 Um, I, I was an idiot, of course.

00:18:01.380 Uh, but, uh, so I, I knew intuitively that the shadow people were coming at me because of the witchcraft performing magic.

00:18:12.840 I felt like I had opened a door and, um, I, so I stepped back from magic for a short period of time.

00:18:22.600 Um, but I mean, ultimately I just accepted that they were going to happen and they began happening less frequently, but I did experience like sleep paralysis and, um, you know, like haunting situations.

00:18:38.260 But, uh, yeah, I never, I never thought it never occurred to me to try and protect myself.

00:18:43.760 I mean, I would do like salt circles and things, but, um, yeah, I didn't like, we didn't have the internet back then.

00:18:50.680 Um, so it was, it wasn't as easy to identify things like that.

00:18:56.720 And I didn't really understand like the mechanics of magic until later in life.

00:19:02.300 Um, so yeah.

00:19:05.100 These books, um, what are they telling you to do?

00:19:08.700 I never really thought about that much.

00:19:10.700 You have a book on witchcraft in the teenage section in your local bookstore.

00:19:14.880 Um, what is, what are the, you know, what is it about?

00:19:20.680 Um, so it'll go through, so it re so the book that I had specifically, all right, a few books, but it, they basically did like a retelling of how women used to be in power.

00:19:35.740 So like there were, there was goddess worship.

00:19:38.180 And then as like the pendulum swung towards masculinity, uh, Christianity came in and like the sky father.

00:19:47.300 And, um, so masculinity took over.

00:19:50.860 And then now the pendulum is swinging back towards feminism. 1.00

00:19:54.200 So there's like a dualistic, uh, balance that happens.

00:19:58.700 And, uh, like every 2000 years, it'll, the pendulum will swing is what this book said.

00:20:04.140 Okay.

00:20:04.520 And it like retold how Christianity, um, was just a construct from, uh, Constantine to rule Rome and to unite the pagan empire and, uh, or the, uh, Roman empire under one God.

00:20:21.700 And, uh, it was like a, it had some seeds of truth to it, but it was like a revisionist history.

00:20:29.440 And then it also taught you how to build altars.

00:20:33.060 It gave you information on different deities.

00:20:35.740 And it was like the basic instructions on like how to do a spell and how to protect yourself during the spell with like the salt circle and, you know, calling on the different powers from Northeast, Southwest, and all of that stuff.

00:20:53.680 So this, um, altar, you said at one point you had built an altar.

00:21:00.040 Yes.

00:21:00.560 Did you make an effort to dedicate that altar to any particular deity?

00:21:04.700 Yes, I, I, uh, preferred Artemis and Diana.

00:21:09.980 Let me see if I can.

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00:23:08.240 Okay.

00:23:09.420 I'm here looking up Artemis.

00:23:10.860 So it's a deity, a patron protector of young children, especially young girls.

00:23:16.800 Yep.

00:23:18.080 Interesting.

00:23:18.820 This is an ancient Greek god.

00:23:21.960 So on this show here, we kind of tie the idea of these ancient deities, especially from the Greek pantheon.

00:23:32.660 We tie them back to possibly the Nephilim, possibly the fallen angels. 0.98

00:23:38.480 Some of them like Baal and Zeus have a lot of overlap as far as I think it's like the triton that he holds.

00:23:47.280 And I mean, even if you look at the Statue of Liberty, that kind of resembles Baal in a certain way. 0.97

00:23:54.040 So we think that some of these deities, most of these deities are just rebranded and retold to us in a different way.

00:24:03.740 And you worship them under a different name.

00:24:06.420 Yeah, I agree with that.

00:24:07.880 I think that's exactly right.

00:24:09.400 And the pagans back in biblical times knew this, like their gods had many names.

00:24:15.160 So it would, the same deity would shift names like Ishtar.

00:24:22.940 And then she has a lot of similarities, in my opinion, to like Kuan Yin, who is like an Indian goddess of death.

00:24:32.120 But they have like these similarities where it's like as people moved throughout, you know, the European continent and Africa and everything, like they brought their gods with them.

00:24:45.840 And so, yeah, I think that's exactly right.

00:24:50.220 Yeah, David, we're just like recapping just the rebranding.

00:24:53.840 And it's kind of interesting.

00:24:54.820 As you popped in into the stream yard before, we were talking about aliens and what we think is going to happen there.

00:25:02.500 And we've been saying for a long time as well, aliens just seem like a rebranding of demonic entities or possibly Nephilim or something.

00:25:11.260 I don't know.

00:25:12.540 Dave, what are we thinking here?

00:25:13.920 I mean, I think that there's several elements to the alien thing, whether or not it's reverse engineered craft or even it doesn't have to be reverse engineered.

00:25:24.340 It could just be technology that's been suppressed by our own military industrial complex.

00:25:28.360 But then there is an element that seems to be very real.

00:25:32.380 I just don't think they're from outer space.

00:25:34.200 I think that more than likely, they're these kind of ancient adversarial biblical entities, and they've figured out ways through technology and such to interact with this realm a little bit more concretely.

00:25:43.800 But it speaks to human beings, our thirst for knowledge also plays really well with our ego in such a way that if you rebrand something and present it to someone,

00:26:00.280 they will look at that and then go, now I understand it.

00:26:04.320 And that understanding is it like bolsters their ego.

00:26:07.140 So in a way, like you're talking about revisionist history from this witchcraft book.

00:26:10.620 You read this book, and there is an egocentric element to it where you go, ah, I now have deeper gnosis.

00:26:19.400 I have deeper understanding of a topic.

00:26:21.800 And then it just it folds into your rhetoric and the conversations that you have.

00:26:25.800 Well, actually, this isn't true.

00:26:26.940 What really happened is 2000 years ago, things you know what I mean?

00:26:29.720 And it's like, somehow, that information gets tied into your personality.

00:26:34.640 And I think that it's so clever, the rebranding aspect of things, because it plays off of, you know, natural human proclivities to kind of just want to be the best and we know it all and we have the coveted knowledge that nobody else has.

00:26:48.100 And so I think that it's not just unique to aliens, even, you know, you're talking about Hecate, right, and Diana and such.

00:26:57.820 And I think there's real precedent for at least Hecate or Hecate, however you would pronounce it, being Lilith, the night monster that's spoken about in the Bible,

00:27:12.340 this female negative spirit that typically lures men. 1.00

00:27:21.420 I think it's where we get the idea of, like, the siren as well, or the harpy.

00:27:24.840 They described Lilith as a harpy, which I find fascinating.

00:27:27.960 But there is something there where, you know, you've taken this character, and it's the same character, but you've rebranded her for Norse mythology, for maybe a Native American bent.

00:27:41.420 But it's the same one, and it does the same things, but now I know her as Hecate, or I know her as X, Y, and Z.

00:27:52.000 Therefore, I have Gnosis, a deeper understanding of this subject, and you lean on that and mistake that for the ability to trust this topic, and that's where things go really wrong.

00:28:02.280 But yeah, it's over and over again.

00:28:04.400 And things get rebranded, and it just hijacks our psychology, and we get wrapped up in it.

00:28:10.060 I think it's so interesting.

00:28:13.240 It's terrifying, but also interesting.

00:28:15.780 My dad was obsessed with Native American lore, Native American history, Native American everything.

00:28:23.360 We have, like, a minuscule amount of, like, Choctaw. 0.98

00:28:25.840 And it, he had all of, like, these flutes and dream catchers and all of this stuff inside of our house.

00:28:35.720 And I had, I would have, like, this reoccurring nightmare where there was a, like, a bird monster trying to climb in through my window.

00:28:48.460 And this happened, it was the exact same dream several times.

00:28:52.600 And I would be, and this was in waking reality, like, in real life.

00:28:57.280 I would be sitting in my room, like, on my top bunk, and I would see, like, these feathers, like, go, like, above my bed and then down.

00:29:06.660 And I would, like, go and look, and there'd be nothing there.

00:29:08.620 And, like, I, this happened before I started getting into witchcraft.

00:29:17.760 And I feel like maybe, like, spiritually something was, like, already had, like, had its grips in me and was, like, sort of, like, pushing me in, like, this direction.

00:29:30.680 And I don't, I just think it's interesting, like, with the Lilith tie-in and, like, um, the Harpy aspect.

00:29:39.000 Yes.

00:29:39.560 Yeah.

00:29:40.100 Yeah.

00:29:40.580 I mean, that's something, too.

00:29:41.760 You'll see Isis depicted as having bird wings, you know, or, you know, these, most of these are fallen angels or some offshoot of them.

00:29:52.140 Yeah.

00:29:52.420 It always seems that wings are an animal.

00:29:53.600 Yeah.

00:29:54.300 Lilith has, like, bird feet, right?

00:29:56.400 Yeah.

00:29:56.580 And harpies, yeah, so harpies are, they have the lower half of a bird, more or less, with, yeah, talons and gigantic wings and, you know, the upper half of a woman. 1.00

00:30:07.760 It's kind of interesting, right?

00:30:09.020 Because it's, like, you hear this, you hear this kind of story a lot where if someone gets involved in this stuff, they're precursors in their childhood or their past that.

00:30:17.520 Yeah.

00:30:17.900 They're, like, I remember this happening.

00:30:19.260 And then, boom, all of a sudden, I'm waist deep in the occult.

00:30:23.320 It's, like, I don't want to say, I mean, we have free will, but it's almost like there's a mark on you or there's, like, a susceptibility to you that they're, like, I know that I can get in.

00:30:33.100 It's just a matter of time.

00:30:34.360 And they're just in waiting.

00:30:35.860 Right.

00:30:36.080 And is it a matter of you doing something that triggers this attention that they're now giving you?

00:30:43.460 Or is it a matter of maybe a generational thing, for example?

00:30:47.140 Well, and this is very effectively brings us to the question that I want to ask you, but when I was younger, my grandmother, who I loved dearly, was, you know, she thought she was a clairvoyant.

00:31:00.940 She was writing papers on remote viewing.

00:31:04.100 She was a victim of alien abduction phenomenon when she was a child.

00:31:12.640 She didn't know what it was until she got older.

00:31:14.720 And, you know, there was cultural context for what she had gone through when she realized, oh, wow, other people are experiencing this as well.

00:31:22.940 But I have a series of strange things that has, you know, they've always happened throughout my life.

00:31:28.000 And I think in great deal, it probably has to do with some sort of, like, what the Bible might call generational iniquity.

00:31:33.440 So I'm wondering, for you, Shannon, is there anything that you could look to in your past where maybe a relative was involved heavily in something that could have been passed down?

00:31:44.560 Or does any of that seem to resonate with you?

00:31:48.480 I do.

00:31:49.160 I do believe in generational curses. 0.99

00:31:51.220 Like I said, my dad was very into, like, Native American religion and Native American just culture in general.

00:32:02.800 And his mother was, like, a quarter Choctaw. 1.00

00:32:08.420 And she was Christian, but she would also, like, she had visions and things.

00:32:20.060 And I don't know.

00:32:21.640 I don't know.

00:32:22.200 But I know that my father was into all of that.

00:32:26.460 And so we have that, like, in our bloodline.

00:32:29.320 So I don't know specifically, though.

00:32:31.940 And on my mother's side, they were Catholic.

00:32:34.560 So for, like, generations.

00:32:38.260 So, yeah.

00:32:39.720 But I know my dad.

00:32:41.120 Like, for example, if you had stayed on the path that you were on, then do you believe maybe generations after you could have been?

00:32:51.660 Because that's what it seems like from where I'm sitting.

00:32:53.140 I think so.

00:32:53.760 Yeah.

00:32:54.460 Yeah.

00:32:55.020 And I had my first son before I got out of all of that.

00:32:59.420 So, and he has, I think, been marked also.

00:33:05.940 He, yeah, he's, we've had some wild experiences with him.

00:33:10.240 And he can see, I think, I call it, like, discernment of spirits.

00:33:16.020 But he can, like, see spirits.

00:33:19.280 And he has these crazy, there's some weird stuff with dreams with him.

00:33:26.660 We can talk about that.

00:33:28.560 Please, let's go.

00:33:30.180 Let's go.

00:33:30.920 So after I became a Christian, I, and my son was already born.

00:33:35.960 He was probably over between one and two.

00:33:40.740 And I was having this dream where a demon, a female bird demon, Lilith, I assume, had, like, her claws in my head.

00:33:52.440 And she was, like, trying to, like, rip my head. 1.00

00:33:55.220 And all of a sudden, my son's head appears in the dream.

00:34:00.320 And he was just, he's, like, glowing just his head.

00:34:03.980 And he goes, no!

00:34:05.460 And I wake up.

00:34:06.480 And he is laying on top of me.

00:34:09.280 And, like, shielding me.

00:34:11.120 And that has never happened before.

00:34:13.020 He does not, I've never woken up with him like that.

00:34:15.480 And he, yeah, dude, he totally saved me in that instance from a demonic attack.

00:34:23.500 That's incredible.

00:34:24.840 Yeah.

00:34:25.600 You said when he appeared, he was glowing?

00:34:28.440 It was just his head?

00:34:29.300 It was just his head.

00:34:29.900 Like, he poked his head into the dream.

00:34:32.160 Whoa.

00:34:33.420 Yeah.

00:34:34.420 Wow.

00:34:35.780 Yeah.

00:34:36.160 It was super weird.

00:34:39.120 And when I, when I, so I don't normally have dreams.

00:34:43.080 When I, before I found out I was pregnant with him, I started having dreams that I was pregnant with a boy.

00:34:50.860 And I was giving birth to a son.

00:34:53.120 And, like, I don't have dreams.

00:34:54.840 And I don't know if that's because he was inside of me or what.

00:34:57.720 But, like, yeah, so after all of that happened, he became very ill.

00:35:05.180 He got, like, strep throat and a staph infection.

00:35:10.000 And he had to, we were in the hospital for 30 days.

00:35:14.180 And he had all of these surgeries.

00:35:16.460 And he has, like, all of these, like, scars on him.

00:35:19.640 And, like, I personally think it's because he's marked and the enemy, whatever, was trying to, like, take him out is my personal opinion.

00:35:30.040 But, anyway, he survived that.

00:35:32.260 And he, now, every once in a while, he'll have these, just these crazy dreams.

00:35:38.940 And it, yeah, it's very interesting.

00:35:41.820 What sorts of dreams?

00:35:42.820 Okay, so he, so, for example, just recently, he'll have, like, we've started praying and praying, like, the armor of God and for, like, a shield around the house.

00:35:56.220 And he will have these dreams where, like, hordes of bees are, like, trying to, like, break in.

00:36:04.680 And, yeah, and then he'll, so that was the most recent dream.

00:36:09.800 But, okay, so we, my pastor knows my testimony, right?

00:36:15.900 I promise this is getting back into the dream.

00:36:17.540 So my pastor knows my testimony.

00:36:20.200 And we go to, like, a Baptist-ish church.

00:36:23.360 So whenever I'm his official, like, demon person.

00:36:27.540 So whenever there's somebody who is afflicted, he'll send them my way, right?

00:36:32.020 So I have had demonic experiences, but I didn't know what I was doing, really, when this, when he first started sending me people.

00:36:41.220 And there's one person in particular.

00:36:43.040 So I went and prayed over this person's house without their permission and something attached to me.

00:36:51.200 And so it knew where to find me, right?

00:36:54.360 So this girl reaches out to me, again, for help with getting rid of this demon.

00:37:01.220 And as I'm telling her what to do, a demon, like, comes and tries to attach to me, but it can't.

00:37:10.820 So it attaches to my son, the one who has all of these dreams.

00:37:13.880 And that night, he started, he dreamt that there was, he was being tortured and, like, all of, like, this weird stuff that he's, like, never been exposed to.

00:37:30.100 And I was able to cast it out of him, and he came to know the Lord, but he, man, he just will have, I don't know if they're, like, prophetic dreams or, y'all, I'm sorry.

00:37:55.260 I'm, like, getting lost in my words.

00:37:58.040 No, that's all right.

00:37:58.660 I know it's a difficult thing to try to explain as well.

00:38:03.800 Because, like, one story leads into the next.

00:38:06.900 This is how my brain works, too.

00:38:08.280 So go ahead.

00:38:08.980 Do what you got to do.

00:38:10.040 I'm following.

00:38:11.240 If we have questions, we're going to stop you and be like, what did you just say?

00:38:14.240 Well, here, while you, the reason that I asked what sort of dreams is because my son has had his fair share of strange experiences.

00:38:23.400 He's nine years old now.

00:38:24.400 And mostly these things don't happen anymore.

00:38:27.380 Although in the past, he has told me a story about this when he was really little.

00:38:31.860 He was probably, like, three years old.

00:38:33.100 That he was in bed and it felt as though his body was tied down to the bed with belts.

00:38:40.340 And he saw a man pacing back and forth in the hallway, black hat, black duster coat.

00:38:47.400 So at three years old, you know, he's explaining the hat man to me.

00:38:52.360 I still remember.

00:38:53.340 And it's weird because you try not to, as a parent, feed into it.

00:38:56.440 Yeah.

00:38:57.220 Because, you know, really, and I was just saying this on another show, for a good night's sleep.

00:39:04.260 You know what I mean?

00:39:04.840 Like, obviously, there's other very important reasons, but if you like to be able to sleep at night as a parent, you don't feed into these things.

00:39:12.900 And I remember one day he came to me and he starts telling me about a dream that he had.

00:39:18.100 And whenever my son talks about dreams, I don't, like, feed in actively.

00:39:23.140 But I do try, like, I'll tune in and I'll listen.

00:39:27.180 And I won't make it a big deal, but I'm listening.

00:39:29.780 And he starts telling me about a dog, a black dog with red eyes that could talk.

00:39:36.420 And I said, huh, that's, I don't like that, but all right.

00:39:41.900 You know, and he's saying that the dog is like his friend.

00:39:44.960 He's a good guy in the dream.

00:39:47.020 And then he comes to me only about a week later, and he's describing his dreams, and it's the same dog again.

00:39:54.760 And at that, I said, next time you see that dog, tell it in the name of Jesus Christ to leave you alone.

00:40:00.000 Don't speak to you anymore.

00:40:01.500 Don't come to your dreams.

00:40:02.920 Don't contact me.

00:40:04.200 In the name of Jesus Christ, you have to go away.

00:40:06.860 And I think he's described that dog to me maybe a total of three times.

00:40:11.760 And according to him, he's nine years old, so who the hell knows?

00:40:13.900 And I don't even want to necessarily tell my son that, by the way.

00:40:16.560 I don't want to say, hey, nine-year-old.

00:40:18.320 Well, he was like maybe eight at the time, seven.

00:40:20.720 Engage in spiritual warfare.

00:40:22.060 You know what I mean?

00:40:22.740 Why not?

00:40:24.100 If you feed into that, it becomes, well, I mean, it's a double-edged sword, right?

00:40:27.480 Because I do believe something is definitively happening.

00:40:29.780 But also, the imagination of a child can take it to a point where, who knows?

00:40:35.800 Then it's this recurring thing, and he's in this realm where he's constantly coming back to me, telling me about casting out demons.

00:40:42.300 And so my son is five, and he, we've had, because of where I came from, my family has opened doors to spiritual attack, spiritual warfare, more so than the average person.

00:41:01.400 And we will all experience paranormal activity occasionally.

00:41:07.000 And my son, after, so I described about how this demon came and attached to us, and it attached to my son.

00:41:17.160 And it was torturing him and his dreams.

00:41:20.860 And I started seeing, this was, this happened over a course of three days.

00:41:24.720 I started seeing this shadow person walking around, and I didn't say anything to my son about what had happened.

00:41:33.160 And he started seeing it, too.

00:41:35.220 And he was like, Mom, there was a man walking through our bedroom.

00:41:40.540 And he, so the first night he had the dream where a girl was, like, electrocuting him and torturing him.

00:41:46.260 And then the second night, it was this crazy sexual stuff that he had no words for.

00:41:52.440 He just was describing it to me, and I was like, what do I do?

00:41:57.860 Horrifying.

00:41:58.300 And, yes, horrifying.

00:42:00.180 And he's normally, he's the sweetest, kindest little boy.

00:42:04.480 He was angry.

00:42:06.340 Whenever we would try and pray or talk about Jesus, he would get upset.

00:42:11.660 And he was, like, growling and stuff.

00:42:13.880 Like, something had very clearly attached to him.

00:42:17.220 And finally, after the second night where he had the sexual dreams, I sat him down, and I was like, okay, listen.

00:42:28.300 My best friend is also very, she came out of, she used to be in my coven. 0.97

00:42:33.640 She's now a Christian also.

00:42:35.020 So we communicate about all of this stuff.

00:42:38.200 And she was like, what about unforgiveness?

00:42:41.800 I'm reading that unforgiveness is a big window, like an open window in the spirit realm.

00:42:47.900 So I was like, okay, listen, buddy, you got to forgive your little brother.

00:42:52.340 My younger son is two, and he is a terrorist.

00:42:54.920 And he is constantly terrorizing my older son.

00:43:05.100 And so I was like, do you forgive your little brother?

00:43:08.460 Like, do you love him?

00:43:12.420 And I explained to him that, like, unforgiveness and sin leaves us vulnerable to spirits.

00:43:20.100 And I was straight up, like, I think a spirit has attached to you.

00:43:24.400 And he was like, I forgive.

00:43:26.860 I forgive my little brother.

00:43:28.260 I love my little brother.

00:43:29.400 And I was able to cast it out of him after that.

00:43:32.020 And he said that he felt the bad kingdom leave him.

00:43:36.260 Interesting.

00:43:36.320 And yes, and then he was singing and happy.

00:43:39.800 And we together, we walked through the whole house and cleared it out by, you know, you take authority over your home.

00:43:47.960 And you cast demons out because we have authority to step over them and, you know, cast them out in Jesus name.

00:43:56.760 Now, what did you, the chat is going crazy with what you just went, you went to somebody's house and you started casting a demon out of someone else's house without their consent?

00:44:06.180 Yes, I did.

00:44:07.860 You're a wild girl.

00:44:08.980 Okay.

00:44:09.340 I didn't know.

00:44:12.040 I would never do that again.

00:44:14.120 I would never, ever do that again.

00:44:15.620 But I did do that.

00:44:17.060 I was asking for it.

00:44:18.680 I could see how you would think that's a good idea, right?

00:44:21.260 I mean, yeah, if you don't know, otherwise, it's until you start to realize that the spiritual realm is, is everything hinges on consent.

00:44:28.680 Well, yeah, technically it hinges on a thought, like, uh, um, ownership.

00:44:32.620 So you have no ownership there, even though they have no right to be there.

00:44:35.380 Yeah.

00:44:35.540 They're like, get out of here.

00:44:37.480 I had a very similar situation, though.

00:44:40.220 Um, I'm not going to hash out the whole story, but when I moved into a new house, I went through some strange stuff for a while until I realized, like, I am the new owner of this home.

00:44:49.740 And I have to take authority over it and tell these things to leave in the name of Christ, because they have no authority here.

00:44:56.820 I am the one who owns this property.

00:44:59.900 And I think, you know, it's all, it's all legalese.

00:45:03.060 It's all consent.

00:45:03.940 You said something that, that prompted a question in my mind here.

00:45:07.100 You're talking about how somebody from your coven is now a Christian.

00:45:13.400 And I wonder, um, if we could talk a little bit about that, your, your coven, you know, the people that you met actually met up with in real life.

00:45:24.580 Um, what did you guys do together?

00:45:27.200 And also what, where I imagine these people become fast friends.

00:45:31.720 So then what are their opinions when you stop showing up for your weekly, uh, witch meeting?

00:45:39.580 Um, I mean, it was, so the coven was in high school and we remained friends like through our twenties.

00:45:46.400 And obviously I'm still good friends.

00:45:48.440 I'm in my thirties now and I'm still, she's my best friend.

00:45:51.520 Um, but we, so we would do some minor spells and like promise each other to each other and like, we're going to be friends forever.

00:46:04.000 And we felt like the universe was like butterflies would like buy in and like land on us and stuff.

00:46:13.040 Like when we were doing these things.

00:46:14.820 So we took that to mean we're in the right track.

00:46:17.440 We're doing the right thing.

00:46:18.460 We're in one, we're one with mother nature and all of that stuff.

00:46:23.560 And, um, so, and we did a lot of, it was mostly like studying and like palm reading and, you know, all the cheesy, typical, like new age, occult.

00:46:35.580 Ouija boards?

00:46:36.560 No, we never did a Ouija board, but we did do tarot cards.

00:46:39.740 We did do the tarot cards and we all, we believed in reincarnation.

00:46:44.700 Um, and like, I believed I had committed suicide in a previous life and I had a lot of suicidal, uh, predications and I, um, yeah, I struggled with self-harm and, um, so did, so did my friends in the coven.

00:47:02.040 And, um, which we didn't know that until later on in life when we like talked about it with one another, like we all were experiencing self-harm.

00:47:10.960 Um, and yeah, so, I mean, so she became a Christian first and she admitted to me that she was a conservative.

00:47:22.100 And I was still, you know, up to my eyeballs and the occult and was like shocked because I had blue hair and facial piercings.

00:47:34.620 And I could not believe that my best friend was a conservative.

00:47:39.000 And then when she became a Christian, I was like, what, who are you? 1.00

00:47:45.360 I don't even know who you are.

00:47:47.100 Um, but because of our history, I did not like flip out at her, but I, I think that that is like, was a seed that helped to lead me out of, um, that path too.

00:47:59.420 So what was her experience that drove her?

00:48:03.580 Cause I imagine she had to explain this to you.

00:48:06.260 Um, so what had her back away and become, you know, a conservative and a Christian?

00:48:10.620 Um, I'm not sure about the conservative part, but, uh, her mother was diagnosed with cancer and, um, she began going to church.

00:48:22.600 The mother began going to church and, um, she survived the cancer and, um, my friend had done all of this praying.

00:48:35.060 And, um, um, I think she saw, uh, I forget the specifics, but she saw some sort of like confirmation from God that he was real and present and that her mother was going to be healed.

00:48:49.400 And he, she was healed.

00:48:51.080 So I'm not, I, she needs to get up on the internet and share her testimony.

00:48:56.240 So when she watches this, like you need to get on and share testimony.

00:49:00.100 So, yeah, we'd be very interested in, in talking to her, um, oftentimes it's a personal experience that causes somebody to, to pivot in that way.

00:49:08.920 And, you know, based off of what you're describing here, that fits that bill.

00:49:11.980 When you were immersed in this and you were convinced that there were spiritual entities and various ways that you could affect things on the spiritual realm.

00:49:22.440 Did you have an outlook of good and evil or were these things not so cut and dry in your mind and there was no greater good and greater evil?

00:49:34.540 I thought everything was gray.

00:49:36.440 It was all shades of gray.

00:49:38.200 I didn't believe in, um, like I felt every, there was no true evil.

00:49:43.360 There was no true good.

00:49:44.740 So, like, even, uh, in terms of like the Holocaust, like I felt like, well, these people, we don't know, like these people's like lived experience and how, um, we don't know what like drove them.

00:49:58.120 Anyway, it was not real, but I thought everything was gray.

00:50:03.980 So I didn't believe in all or anything.

00:50:06.340 So, yeah, as I feel like I turned this corner one day in my perception of the world where I very much thought that there was a much greater gray area, um, in all matters.

00:50:22.480 And as I got older, I realized that that gray area is a place that you can get stuck in and become indecisive and a bit of a fence sitter.

00:50:33.320 And in all matters, cultural, political, and, uh, spiritual, I think the middle is almost just as bad as the bad side.

00:50:46.020 You know what I mean?

00:50:46.840 So we're, we're, we're perceiving everything as mostly gray and there is no greater good or evil.

00:50:51.420 Um, there is in fact a greater good and evil and you're either on the side of good or really it's just all the bad side because these entities.

00:51:03.320 If they can't get you to adhere to them, they just certainly don't want you to adhere to God.

00:51:09.540 So they'll take even sitting in the middle.

00:51:12.560 Yeah, I agree.

00:51:14.640 Like I, so I saw everything is gray back then.

00:51:17.360 And now, like you said, the older that I get and the more experience I have, it's, so there's everything it's black or white.

00:51:28.000 You know what I mean?

00:51:28.580 Like, so when you're sitting in the middle, it's like, there's a, um, you're still in the shadow.

00:51:35.020 I think like there's the shadow still has like its control on you.

00:51:39.280 And like, I think you can get closer and closer to the good, but, um, yeah.

00:51:44.680 Like if you're in a gray area, this shadow just has its claws in you and you just don't realize it.

00:51:50.520 Uh, yeah.

00:51:51.600 Like in the Bible, it says that he, if you're not hot or cold, like if you're lukewarm, he's going to spit you out.

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00:53:19.140 I think that it's very true.

00:53:23.420 And what's interesting is there's almost a feeling of altruism where, or at least like somehow immersing yourself in the nuance is somehow seen as a good thing.

00:53:40.460 And I do think there is something to be said about somebody who can see that there are finer details to a topic.

00:53:47.520 But I think what is significantly greater is someone who is able to galvanize themselves.

00:53:57.900 I mean, shit, almost even to one side or the other.

00:54:01.080 I said it yesterday when it was like we were talking about softer versions of Satanism.

00:54:06.600 And there are those who are doing it as a LARP and an affront to Christianity and affront to conservatism and things like that.

00:54:13.380 And they don't really believe in this on a spiritual level.

00:54:15.460 And I do think that that is almost worse than somebody who is convicted and says these entities are real and I seek to serve them.

00:54:22.960 Obviously, that's terrible, but there is something bad about a lack of conviction and then also to dedicate yourself to something that you don't even believe is real.

00:54:36.160 Dedicating a disproportionate amount of time to an act or a joke or sticking your nose up at another organization instead of pursuing something that you're passionate about is wild.

00:54:47.880 I wanted to get back to this bird monster.

00:54:54.100 We've kind of danced around this idea that this is likely Lilith because Lilith is described as the night monster.

00:55:00.520 It's described as this harpy.

00:55:04.440 It kind of sounds like you saw this more than twice.

00:55:08.220 Is that the case?

00:55:09.100 Have you seen this a lot?

00:55:09.940 Um, so I, like I said, I had those reoccurring dreams and then I didn't see, I had a fear of birds for like this, this random fear of birds for years.

00:55:24.800 And, um, I don't know, I guess when I became a Christian, like that went away, but I didn't recognize it until recently.

00:55:31.240 And I, the, yeah, I've only seen it a few times.

00:55:36.360 And then, like I said, the dream that was a bird woman, like she had a female face and then there were like these feathers and like, like bird claws and like, but yeah.

00:55:49.300 So, I mean, I didn't see, there were like owls and things that would like, like hang around my house and like scream, like scream, like screech owls.

00:56:00.800 And, um, I'm sure you've come across it in your research that these things are correlated.

00:56:06.160 Yes.

00:56:06.420 And, uh, yeah, so I haven't, but ever since like that dream where like my son like stuck his head in, I have not had any more, um, like encounters with, with her or it or whatever.

00:56:22.420 Um, and I don't have a fear of birds anymore.

00:56:24.640 So I don't know if like God delivered me at that point.

00:56:27.200 I was an early Christian when I first became a Christian.

00:56:30.980 I still had a ton of new age beliefs and like, you know, I believed in like Christ consciousness and all of that stuff.

00:56:37.660 So I don't know.

00:56:40.000 Sometimes I think that God sends us people.

00:56:42.720 My, my wife, the same way your son poked his head into a dream.

00:56:46.700 Uh, my wife had the uncanny ability to wake me up from sleep paralysis when I used to be plagued by it. 0.99

00:56:52.700 And I, I mean, that was like, I was, I already really liked her, but that was, that helped a lot.

00:56:59.040 Yeah.

00:56:59.400 Yeah, because, uh, you know what it's like, it's like, if you're in sleep paralysis, the, the feeling of dread and, and, uh, despair is so intense and to be, uh, it very much feels like you're rescued from that when somebody wakes you up.

00:57:13.540 So you're like screaming for somebody to come and wake you up.

00:57:16.420 Right.

00:57:16.860 Help me, help me.

00:57:17.880 And everyone's just like, yeah.

00:57:19.700 And so I, I always got the feeling that, um, you know, there's, there's more than one reason why God will send a person to you.

00:57:27.920 But when, when people that are so close to you also have that sort of a function, you know, who's closer to you than your son and then add another layer on it.

00:57:36.800 He has the ability to pop his glowing head into your dream realm and cast out Lilith or whatever, you know, that's pretty, that's pretty handy.

00:57:42.800 Yeah, I agree.

00:57:45.300 Um, my, so just thinking about that, um, when, whenever there's like a spirit that is trying to attach to me, I'll get, I'll hear a ringing, like a super loud, like a ring, like sort of like tinnitus, but it's like, it's a short time.

00:58:05.660 Um, you know, so the first time it happened to me was when I prayed over that girl's house without her permission, I like heard that ringing.

00:58:13.700 And then later on that night, I, I thought that something was going to happen.

00:58:18.220 Um, the first time that happened, like when I prayed and later on that night, my son, the one with the dreams, um, I have three children.

00:58:26.180 So the one with the dreams had, um, some, he was, I was standing in my bedroom and he was in the living room and he started yelling like, who's there, who's there.

00:58:36.860 So I, I came running in and he said that somebody had clapped right in front of his face.

00:58:42.880 And then he was like, is it possible for angels to be evil is what he said to me.

00:58:47.600 And I was like, Oh, uh, upsetting question.

00:58:51.780 Actually, actually, yeah, that's how Genesis six.

00:58:55.520 That's a very unsettling question though.

00:58:57.540 Yeah.

00:58:57.720 I had never brought that up to him before he came to that conclusion on his own.

00:59:01.360 Um, but I, I say that the ringing, uh, for me was like, Oh, maybe that means that there's a spirit trying to attach to me.

00:59:12.480 Um, so I've had it happen numerous times since then.

00:59:15.580 And the night when the spirit attached to my son and was like in him and like torturing him, um, I heard it then too.

00:59:23.440 Well, my husband, uh, is a Freemason and I have been praying for discernment, like for God to give my husband discernment, help him to, if the root of Freemasonry is evil, help him to see it because as his wife, it's, I can't say like, you're not allowed to do this.

00:59:44.080 You know what I mean?

00:59:44.580 Like he's, he's the head of our home.

00:59:47.080 He is, I don't, I don't want him to like resent me or feel controlled or whatever.

00:59:51.560 So I've been praying.

00:59:53.500 Yeah.

00:59:54.200 So we had, he had put up this big Freemason poster with like all of these symbols all over it.

01:00:00.360 Um, and our closet, which we have a large closet with like a chair and stuff.

01:00:05.600 So that's where he would sit and do his thinking or scrolling or whatever.

01:00:09.340 So I had been praying for discernment for him.

01:00:13.260 And one morning recently, all of a sudden he starts hearing this ringing and he's like, my ears ringing.

01:00:20.920 And I had run up to him and I'm like, I bind you spirit in the name of Jesus.

01:00:27.600 And it stopped.

01:00:29.160 He was like, and he used to have seizures as a kid.

01:00:33.040 And he said he would hear the ringing before he would have seizures.

01:00:36.940 And, uh, they couldn't, he had like scans done and they couldn't identify a cause for the seizures.

01:00:42.260 Right.

01:00:43.580 So he heard the ringing and I ran up and I bound it.

01:00:47.900 And I was like, I, I cast you out devil.

01:00:50.960 Like, come out.

01:00:51.820 Like that kind of stuff.

01:00:52.760 And he was like, what is, what is happening right now?

01:00:56.240 Uh, but it stopped, it stopped.

01:00:57.960 And then he was like freaked out.

01:00:59.700 And this happened right in front of the poster.

01:01:01.500 And, um, I was like, can we get rid of the poster?

01:01:05.740 And he said, yes.

01:01:06.920 And he did.

01:01:07.180 What's on the poster?

01:01:08.300 Um, it's a bunch of Freemasons.

01:01:10.000 So it was like the history of Freemasons and like a line.

01:01:13.900 And it had like all the different branches of Freemasonry.

01:01:17.640 There's tons of them.

01:01:19.060 And like history and symbols.

01:01:21.820 And yeah.

01:01:22.740 So.

01:01:23.040 Is he still in it?

01:01:24.660 Yeah.

01:01:24.940 And he hasn't, he, I don't, I don't know if he's been to a session since that happened.

01:01:31.320 So I don't know.

01:01:33.180 We'll see.

01:01:34.120 I wonder when it comes to the ringing, that's actually very fascinating to me.

01:01:39.140 Everybody we're about to drink.

01:01:40.400 Everyone's about to drink.

01:01:41.400 No, no, no, no.

01:01:41.980 I'm not going that way.

01:01:42.860 I was just going to say, it's something that happens to, I would imagine everybody.

01:01:47.840 And it certainly happens to me.

01:01:49.020 And when it does happen to me, I feel the overwhelming urge that I should be paying attention to something specific at that moment.

01:01:58.420 Although I never can lock into whatever it is.

01:02:01.020 Um, and I just wonder if there's a, there's a significance to that because there are certain things that happen in the human experience that everybody experiences, but we give very little credence to.

01:02:11.720 For example, um, deja vu is a, is a fascinating one in the sense that everybody experiences it, but there's simply nothing to be said about it.

01:02:19.860 And what's even more wild is you can kind of call it like a feeling or a sensation.

01:02:25.520 People have sensations that everybody understands.

01:02:28.880 I'm well, I'm hungry.

01:02:29.780 That means you got to eat something or I'm sad.

01:02:31.720 It's because something sad happened.

01:02:33.960 It's weird that we all have this conjoined sensation of, well, it feels like time itself is repeating.

01:02:38.820 Uh, I've lived this moment before to some extent and, Oh, it's still going.

01:02:44.220 It's still going.

01:02:45.080 And then all of a sudden it ends and you're like, yeah, it's done now, but it was going on for like 45 seconds and glitch in the matrix.

01:02:51.060 Yeah.

01:02:51.520 And that's just strange because everybody has that feeling, but there's no information to derive from the experience.

01:02:57.500 So there's no discussion to be had.

01:02:59.060 So even though we all know what it feels like to have time repeating on some sort of strange loop, there's nothing to be said about it.

01:03:05.120 And so I just find that insane that, you know, what that feeling is.

01:03:09.500 And it's the same way with the ringing in the ears.

01:03:12.080 There's so much folklore built around it.

01:03:13.860 It's like, well, when your ears are ringing, someone's talking about you.

01:03:16.660 Ah, yep.

01:03:17.980 And even that is like, Oh, so you think this is significant too, right?

01:03:23.020 Like that's, that's the real takeaway from it.

01:03:25.260 In my opinion is like, Oh, people have always thought that this is significant, but you know, there's a bunch of different reasons for it.

01:03:31.960 And so when you say, um, that it, I mean, how would you describe it?

01:03:37.540 What is your interpretation?

01:03:38.320 When your ears start ringing, that is your cue to look for what?

01:03:42.780 Um, I think it's like a spiritual alarm, essentially.

01:03:47.720 Um, like the, I don't know if it's the spirit or your body is like feeling something happening in the spirit realm.

01:03:54.320 Um, and my opinion is like, our consciousness is like out here and our brains are like a filter for our consciousness.

01:04:04.100 And I think that entities are able to come into us through whatever is happening out here in the spirit realm.

01:04:12.800 Um, so I think we're spiritual beings and a material body, right?

01:04:17.060 So I think that when the ringing is happening, there is a demon attempting to infiltrate you.

01:04:24.980 Oh, that's fascinating.

01:04:26.640 Well, that's, I mean, it makes a lot of sense with the COVID stuff, right?

01:04:29.480 Where you had to stay six feet away.

01:04:31.220 There's something about that, like toroidal field.

01:04:33.620 Have you ever seen that donut around you?

01:04:35.620 I believe that too.

01:04:36.720 You can tell when someone, just another physical being is close to you, uh, you don't even, you don't have to see them.

01:04:42.940 You just kind of like feel them.

01:04:44.660 There's like a weird magnetic charge.

01:04:46.480 So I don't doubt that that happens with the spiritual realm, but I was, I was getting at the, we should all drink because I thought you were going to Jerry Marzinski with, with the noise.

01:04:55.280 Um, licensed psychotherapist in the field for 35 years, yada, yada, yada.

01:04:58.680 We tell this story a thousand times, but, uh, one of his stories where he's sitting at his desk and he's talking to a patient and, uh,

01:05:05.340 he hears a crackling noise that travels across his, his wall behind his head and into a garbage can.

01:05:11.980 And, uh, it turns out that that crackling noise wasn't some kind of entity that was talking to his patient, telling him to kill him right then and there.

01:05:20.400 And he, he, he heard it.

01:05:22.440 He perceived it as like a free, as like a TV static, which actually goes back to your TV static, man.

01:05:28.580 It's like a, like this crackling TV static noise that's traveling across, across the wall.

01:05:33.120 So these things are here, but we're perceiving them, uh, as frequency or vibration, which is right.

01:05:41.980 And the same thing will happen in sleep paralysis associated with the phenomenon.

01:05:47.120 There is this, everybody drink, um, associated with this phenomenon of sleep paralysis is this intense.

01:05:55.560 Um, some people will describe it as a, a vibration.

01:05:58.600 It's like a buzzing, I've, I've felt it as, um, what felt like I've never been tasered, but it seemed like a taser almost like I had been electrocuted.

01:06:11.420 There was current running through my body.

01:06:13.620 It was so powerful that it was audible, but also, um, I could feel it in my bones.

01:06:18.940 So I didn't even have to hear it because I think if something, you know, they have those headphones, you could put them on.

01:06:23.920 They don't even go in your ears.

01:06:25.180 They rest on your skull and you could still hear clear as day, even though this is resonating through your skull instead of through your eardrums.

01:06:31.960 Um, yeah, I think that I wouldn't even, if I had to audibly heard it, I still would have gotten that sensation either way, because it just felt like I was being electrocuted.

01:06:41.800 So my body stiffens up and the emotion, by the way, that's associated with this type of frequency is dread.

01:06:52.560 And when I say that, I mean, I know this is old hat sleep paralysis, which is almost, I feel bad in this realm that we're in where we're discussing conspiracy and spirituality.

01:07:02.660 We just, nobody wants to hear about sleep paralysis anymore.

01:07:06.880 It's kind of this old thing, right?

01:07:07.960 I think it's cool.

01:07:08.720 I mean, I, I think it's fascinating, but, um, it, it evokes this feeling of dread.

01:07:14.880 Unlike any other experience, it's, it's unnatural.

01:07:18.780 It doesn't even feel like it's your dread.

01:07:20.080 It feels like it's been given to you.

01:07:21.560 Like you're the recipient of this feeling instead of it being, um, generated from within.

01:07:28.340 And it's a, it's a doozy.

01:07:31.100 So it's like, whatever's going on, there's the minor version.

01:07:35.160 It seems like where you can get that frequency, but it's an audible one.

01:07:38.580 And maybe you're right.

01:07:39.220 Maybe it's an alarm sounding off.

01:07:40.640 And then if you dial that all the way up, it's like somehow your spirit is in danger.

01:07:46.240 And that's accompanied with a physical sensation, an audible sensation, you know, this intense buzzing and vibration.

01:07:53.520 And, you know, it's, but it's, it all seems to be the same thing.

01:07:56.700 Just dialed down or up.

01:07:58.080 I didn't even make that connection, but I think that's, I mean,

01:08:01.100 that's exactly, I think that's exactly right.

01:08:03.580 Um, I have not even, I have not made that connection.

01:08:05.660 The same thing happens to me.

01:08:07.020 And like, I used to astral project and, um, you sort of use sleep paralysis and like that

01:08:14.160 state to, uh, it's like you're, you're switching channels.

01:08:18.340 So you have to like, um, sort of ride the wave, like, uh, as like your frequencies change, uh, with like the buzzing, you can like send yourself out of your body.

01:08:30.540 Um, so it is, it's literally like that on a smaller scale.

01:08:35.360 That is, I think, wow, that's profound.

01:08:38.300 Well, okay.

01:08:39.120 Cause we're going into something that is endlessly fascinating to both top.

01:08:42.540 And I, I think we don't talk about it, but I do believe every time somebody mentions astral projection, me and top, we both kind of like go on.

01:08:51.180 What'd you say you do?

01:08:52.860 Go on.

01:08:53.580 Uh, um, this experience, how does it get on your radar?

01:08:59.540 How did you end up practicing it?

01:09:01.440 What are some of the results that it's yielded?

01:09:03.720 Okay.

01:09:04.220 So as a kid, I, when a trick that I would have, when I was falling asleep, I would know that I was almost asleep because I could see through my eyelids.

01:09:15.100 And I was like, okay, I'm almost asleep because I can see through my eyelids.

01:09:18.300 And then as an adult, I, um, heard about astral projection and I was like, that's stupid.

01:09:26.580 And then I heard, I read on the CIA website, project, project Stargate and how the CIA has confirmed that essentially astral projection is a real phenomenon.

01:09:40.860 And so I was like, okay, I'm going to try this.

01:09:43.340 So I started reading about people's experiences and how seeing through your eyelids is one of the ways, you know, like you've done it or one of the ways, you know, like, um, it can seem like you're, cause you are awake, but it's also not reality.

01:10:04.940 So sometimes you can think, am I dreaming?

01:10:07.500 Am I really awake?

01:10:09.100 Like, what is that?

01:10:09.800 Like, especially if you don't know about astral projection, um, like, have you ever, uh, had an alarm go off?

01:10:16.860 Like when, like when you were a kid and you would get up and get ready and then you would wake up again and you would realize you'd never know anything.

01:10:26.040 Yeah.

01:10:26.100 That's essentially, uh, some people say that like, that's astral projecting is like you were astral projecting, but you didn't realize it.

01:10:34.540 Um, and you would just like go about your day and then you would wake up again or, um, so that, so, so I had that happen all the time.

01:10:43.060 Right.

01:10:43.280 Um, so I, so I, I forget exactly how I discovered about it, but I learned how to do it.

01:10:51.500 Uh, there's many different methods you can use, but the one I would use was, um, intentionally triggering sleep paralysis and then, um, using the vibrations to, uh, essentially like eject yourself, like into the spirit realm or the astral realm.

01:11:11.420 Um, when you say that you can see through your eyelids, you're seeing your room still, right?

01:11:16.700 Like, in other words, you're drifting off to sleep, but suddenly you're able to see your room again.

01:11:20.860 Yep.

01:11:22.000 But then the vibrations are, the vibrations you're describing are like when you're, cause when I have sleep paralysis, it feels like, uh, like I am being like, just like violent.

01:11:32.120 It's uncomfortable.

01:11:33.200 It's like electrocuted.

01:11:34.700 Okay.

01:11:34.980 So you're actually using that to slip.

01:11:36.760 Right.

01:11:37.460 Right.

01:11:37.660 So that's interesting because I hate that state of being like, yeah, I don't want to hang out there at all.

01:11:44.320 I tell the story all the time.

01:11:45.600 I, sorry, go, go ahead.

01:11:48.860 Um, so your brain, your brain waves shift when you, uh, enter into sleep mode, when your body goes into sleep, your brain waves become larger and deeper.

01:11:59.580 And you are a, your brain is always sending out waves, but we can't feel them because they're so, uh, like high pitched so fast.

01:12:08.620 Like, it's just, we don't, we don't perceive it, but in sleep paralysis, you're feeling your brain waves.

01:12:13.660 And they're, uh, they go throughout, like you said, there's a whole, uh, field around you full of waves that you are emitting.

01:12:23.840 And, um, so with sleep paralysis, you're feeling your sleep cycle brain waves.

01:12:29.460 I forget what they're called.

01:12:30.760 Um, but yeah, something like that.

01:12:34.340 Um, so when you went to astral project, you, instead of fighting those waves, you lean into them and eventually you'll be able to sit up.

01:12:47.820 There's different ways to leave your body.

01:12:49.740 Um, but when you're, when you're in sleep paralysis, instead of like screaming and like trying so hard, like just lean into it.

01:12:58.960 And then you can like eventually roll out, I would do the rollout method, but there's different ways.

01:13:05.320 I would do the, this is what I said.

01:13:06.900 I tell you guys all the time when, uh, like I'll, I'll watch the Yankee game, watching Michael K sitting in my uncle's living room, same sort of thing.

01:13:14.960 I suppose it's like a paralysis, like a, because it's like, it's an uncomfortable, there's an uncomfortable like feeling.

01:13:20.880 I could like, I can audibly hear it.

01:13:22.640 Um, my, my hearing is zoomed in on Michael K talking, but there's like a weird vibration around me.

01:13:28.960 And then I'll just be out of my body.

01:13:31.120 But like, I'd never go far.

01:13:32.320 I'm like in the corner of the room, watching myself and my uncle and my dad watch TV.

01:13:37.800 And I'm like, what the fuck is this?

01:13:39.960 Hated it.

01:13:41.780 But it always happened.

01:13:43.240 Like I said, it always happened watching the Yankees in this one place.

01:13:48.000 Like the conditions in this place were correct for that to happen.

01:13:52.460 Maybe the type of TV that it was coming through.

01:13:54.680 I don't, I don't know, but it's not something that I like to do.

01:13:57.560 And sometimes I think as a child, um, you kind of create the conditions too.

01:14:03.000 So if there's a familiar aspect to this, it almost falls into the realm of like ritual.

01:14:09.320 So here I am again in the same environment with the same people watching the same thing

01:14:13.680 in the same state of mind.

01:14:14.960 Um, and I think that sometimes that's enough to put us in a form of autopilot and it allows

01:14:23.700 our consciousness to do something else because we've been here so many times.

01:14:27.040 This is a well-worked groove.

01:14:28.780 So I used to have a similar thing where I'd be watching the TV at night, you know, same

01:14:32.840 thing sitting on my, well, I slept on it like a futon as a kid.

01:14:36.440 Um, and, um, I'd be on the futon.

01:14:39.660 I'd be watching the show.

01:14:40.460 It's, you know, the same time at night and I would always go through the same sensation

01:14:43.920 where I would get like tunnel vision and the room would seem incredibly stretched out and

01:14:47.640 the TV would get really small and far away feeling.

01:14:51.000 And then all that kind of weird stuff was, would, would start happening.

01:14:54.160 So sometimes I think, you know, just because you mentioned, is it the type of TV or something?

01:14:58.600 I think even that probably, yeah, like those old tube TVs in particular, I think they probably

01:15:02.540 have a certain way because they are often tied into this experience, you know, going

01:15:08.660 back to that description of static, like that static sensation.

01:15:12.680 When you first turn a tube TV on and it changes the vibe of the room, you can tell when it gets

01:15:17.580 turned off and electrical buzzing stops and the atmosphere changes.

01:15:20.860 Well, yeah, there's even elements like with, with the guitar, um, people will kill you over,

01:15:26.320 uh, solid state amps versus tube amps, which are solid state is just like computer chips and

01:15:32.060 stuff sounds really good. So you guys wouldn't be able to tell, but if you're like an experienced

01:15:37.060 guitar player and you have a tube amplifier, um, well the, a modern day solid state amplifier

01:15:42.800 could replicate the exact sound and tone and all that stuff that you're going to get. So you'll

01:15:46.680 sound like Carlos Santana, but if you're actually playing through his stack with, with the tube

01:15:51.920 amplifier, with like a Marshall stack, whatever he's playing, there's a different feeling to it.

01:15:56.220 There's a different tonality like on you and you're keenly aware of that. Whereas, so there

01:16:02.960 is something to that technology and like, it's, it's, it's being played with. There's a replication

01:16:07.180 of it.

01:16:08.280 And you're changing the atmosphere of, of the area that you're in, which I think is, is,

01:16:12.960 you know, certainly it's going to have its, um, sort of implications when it comes to this

01:16:18.480 thing. If these things are all based off of frequency and, and, uh, harmonics, but I wanted

01:16:23.340 to ask you when you're doing this, what's kept me from doing this is, um, the overwhelming feeling

01:16:31.260 that something in the room was, you know, something was there and it was negative.

01:16:36.700 Yeah.

01:16:37.180 And I think that that played a pretty great role in me resisting this at all costs and trying to get

01:16:45.220 back to a normal state. Yeah.

01:16:46.780 What I'm asking you was, uh, did you not have that sensation? Was, was, was your feeling of

01:16:53.720 slipping into sleep paralysis, something that was much more, um, neutrally emotionally charged?

01:16:58.900 Because for me, it was supremely negatively emotionally charged and I didn't want to hang

01:17:04.780 out in whatever state of existence this was any longer. Um, it was always negative until I wanted

01:17:11.640 to do the astral projection. So it, um, right. So I would always feel attacked and I always assumed

01:17:19.960 that there was some sort of like paranormal aspects to anytime I would have like a sleep paralysis

01:17:25.440 attack. But with the, um, astral projection there, uh, it wasn't like that. Like it wasn't

01:17:33.700 terrifying. And I mean, but I also really wanted to do it and I would sort of like pray to my higher

01:17:41.300 self, my higher self to, um, help me in getting out of my body. So I don't know.

01:17:48.380 Interesting. Do you think that you were, were you praying to some aspect of yourself or was

01:17:53.560 something else standing in that position pretending? I think there was something exterior helping me

01:17:58.860 out because I had more success when I would do that, like pray to my higher self to help me get

01:18:05.340 out versus not. And I don't know, I think, uh, undeniably there are spiritual aspects to it,

01:18:14.380 you know? So I never saw anything particularly terrifying. Um, I did have a couple of encounters

01:18:23.780 with like entities, but I, um, like pretty quickly after learning how to astral project and like

01:18:34.620 figuring out how to do it. Um, I became a Christian and, um, and then I started having,

01:18:42.320 we had like these demonic attacks and stuff. And like, so I sort of dropped off of that. And now

01:18:49.940 whenever sleep paralysis starts, starts to happen, I know what it is that's happening. So,

01:18:56.580 and just like saying Jesus or praying is like releases me from it. So I think that, um, astral

01:19:05.360 projection, I mean, it's fun. It's, it's exciting getting to like go into the astral realm, but I think

01:19:11.480 it leaves you very vulnerable. And, um, like I've spoken to people where something like they felt

01:19:18.420 like something rode back in with them and then now they have another presence like that is in their

01:19:24.100 body. And I think most people have like spirits attached to them, but they don't recognize that

01:19:30.220 they don't feel that they're there. They're not like constantly being tormented. So they just, but in

01:19:36.460 this case with this person, they could feel that there was an entity with them after doing it. And

01:19:42.120 so, you know, like you can supposedly, if you run into a negative, a low vibration being AKA a demon,

01:19:51.860 um, that you can send love or positive energy at it. And it's supposed to like make it go away.

01:20:00.880 But I mean, I just think that's a load of BS.

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01:20:59.100 entire purchase at purgestore.com. So, you know, does this resonate with you? Um, I think that God

01:21:09.520 answers prayers when they're mailed to the right address, meaning you definitively know who you're

01:21:16.620 praying to, and that other things will half-ass answer prayers, always with some terrible strings

01:21:24.080 attached. Um, and they don't really care about the mailing address. They don't care if it's specific,

01:21:31.440 meaning like if you pray to something and it gets generally close enough to a little-

01:21:39.060 You pray to the universe?

01:21:41.060 Great example, Top. Yes. You pray to the universe. Well, then something's going to pick that up and

01:21:45.240 they're going to run with it and they're going to show you something that seems promising to get

01:21:50.420 you on the line. But when it comes to God, you've got to be very specific. Uh, I do believe he answers

01:21:57.180 prayers, but it can't be the universe, you know, whoever that amorphous thing. Do you think that that- 0.66

01:22:05.580 I agree 100%. Like, absolutely. And God does answer prayers sometimes very quickly. Um,

01:22:12.760 like, I'll be praying for, like, I feel like deliverance has been placed on my heart and that God

01:22:19.580 wants me to move toward, like, to try and help set people free who are in bondage, like I was in

01:22:28.340 bondage. And I feel like God has placed that on my heart. So, like, recently I was praying, Lord, please

01:22:35.560 let me see deliverance. Please help me. Please use me for deliverance. And literally the next morning,

01:22:42.000 um, I had a friend who is under spiritual attack, uh, call me and say, I need to come over. I need

01:22:49.640 prayer. I need help. Like that happened, like literally within like 10 hours of me praying that.

01:22:55.480 And, um, yeah, so things like, things like that will happen. Like God will let you know,

01:23:01.600 or he lets me know at least that he is listening. And I don't know, some weird stuff like that will

01:23:06.320 happen sometimes. I agree. Um, I've always been cautious in my prayers in that I do think

01:23:15.980 they have to pass through a filter. It's like, are you praying for something frivolous? Yeah.

01:23:20.900 Because I think that's foolish, right? So I've never been the type to pray for that sort of thing.

01:23:24.340 But, um, I try to make sure that my prayers are two things of a spiritual nature and first and

01:23:33.300 foremost in alignment with, with God's will. So in other words, if I'm praying for something,

01:23:36.920 that's just not in the cards for me or for somebody else, it's not part of God's plan.

01:23:41.020 Then so be it, but it has to fundamentally be part of God's, uh, you know, greater will. Um,

01:23:47.260 yeah, I mean, can we talk a little bit then about, I know you said you had some altercations or some

01:23:55.220 run-ins with some entities and the way that you said that made it sound like there's not too much

01:24:00.700 to unpack there, uh, that these were maybe, um, uh, cursory interactions, but I would be interested

01:24:08.580 in hearing them. It's like when you're astral projection or astral projecting rather, where are

01:24:14.100 you going? And, uh, even if these things were small, these interactions to you, what, what were

01:24:21.300 they like? Um, so I wanted to go to, um, like Stonehenge and see the hinges in Scotland also.

01:24:35.260 And, um, like I've never been to Europe. So I wanted to travel to Europe and see, you know,

01:24:41.500 all of the, the different hinges, the thing, like the stone, like where ancient people placed all

01:24:47.320 of these massive stones. And, um, so I would go there and also I like astral projected to this

01:24:57.740 place in Scotland. And like, I, uh, my heritage is, uh, Scottish and Swedish is that's primarily

01:25:05.860 really in a little bit of German, but so I was very interested in like the Scottish side. And, um,

01:25:12.680 so I went, I came to this place and they used to have, uh, they would like put way back in the day,

01:25:20.520 they would like use the ground as like a part of like their structure. And they would like dig into

01:25:26.680 the ground and then also have like, put, uh, like grass and like turf and stuff like on top of their

01:25:33.560 buildings. So it was like this, I felt like I had time traveled and I went back and was like seeing

01:25:40.640 these structures, how they would have been. And there was a dog entity there, uh, that was sort of

01:25:48.040 like a guardian of sorts. And, um, yeah, I don't know. That's weird. Um, no, no, no, this is,

01:25:56.600 you're touching on something that seems to kind of peek its head out very often. This,

01:26:03.460 this element of the dog in particular, um, you know, obviously if you're a fan of Tony Merkle's,

01:26:09.760 you're familiar with the concept of dog man. Yep. There's certainly the, the concept of hellhounds,

01:26:15.820 um, even Anubis, right. So these dog headed deities, um, and then of course, going back to what I was

01:26:24.920 talking about with my, my son, uh, this, this dog entity, uh, with red eyes that, that spoke

01:26:31.260 English. Um, it's interesting because dogs do seem to have some place in the hierarchy in the

01:26:39.480 spiritual realm, whether or not they're humanoid or even just, you know, like a, like a, uh, a quad,

01:26:45.360 quad petal, a four-legged dog. Um, doesn't always have to be a dude walking around with a dog head.

01:26:51.240 I just think that's, that's strange. Is it ever daytime when you're astral projecting?

01:26:56.020 Uh, yes, I have to, yeah. And so this time that I'm describing was in the daytime. Um, I was at

01:27:03.020 home and it was daytime, but when I, anyway, in this realm, it was daytime. Okay. Yeah. And, uh, the,

01:27:09.580 this being was like a guardian of sorts, a guardian of this area or like the timeline or something.

01:27:17.800 Did it feel negative? Yes, it was negative. Oh yeah. He, and, uh, it is, I got like a male

01:27:25.840 impression, but he like essentially chased me out of it. Um, yeah. And so I fled that area, but the

01:27:33.720 immediate area of Stonehenge, you're saying this thing. No. So this was, I felt like I had gone back

01:27:39.260 in time or it was like some sort of alternative timeline. And it was like, uh, someplace in Scotland

01:27:46.180 and it was like how they used to have like ancient, like stone age time, like how they would have their

01:27:57.020 houses and they would like use them, put them like into the ground. It was sort of like a hobbitish,

01:28:02.560 like Hobbiton. Like a shire. Yeah. Kind of a lot more like stone. Um, but so that's like what it

01:28:10.780 looked like. And then this being was guarding that area. Like I wasn't expecting him and he just like

01:28:17.500 appeared and was surprised and angry and wanted me to leave. So. Do you get the feeling that you were

01:28:25.740 in a different time or maybe could you have been in a different realm or aspect of a physical location

01:28:34.280 in our reality? Because oftentimes you hear the concept of this upside down. Yeah. And, um, and

01:28:40.200 sometimes there are enough irregularities within the upside down that you may have like different

01:28:46.120 structures where like generally it's the same geographical location, but sometimes there's

01:28:51.460 enough variation where it's like that building didn't exist here, but it does there kind of a deal.

01:28:55.620 That's very much how it is. Like when you astral project, it'll look the same, but in,

01:29:01.120 in essence, but there will be differences like a house that has never had a, a fireplace will have

01:29:09.840 a fireplace for example, or there'll be like extra buildings or things will be different colors.

01:29:15.520 And it's, it's just, I don't know. I, I feel like there is like in the spirit world, there is like a whole

01:29:26.880 society, like thing, it looks like here, but just a little like different how they want it to be.

01:29:33.600 But like, there's like a whole society, like a whole thing, whole existence going on all around us

01:29:39.920 that we just have no idea about.

01:29:42.560 What is it? I've heard it described as, um, it almost looks like it functions like another society.

01:29:50.480 Yeah. And then I, that makes me wonder about the function of the entities, beings, people,

01:29:56.560 whatever that inhabit that realm. What is, what is their lot in all of this? Are they aware of them

01:30:04.560 being in a realm that's parallel to ours? Are they aware of our realm?

01:30:09.600 Are they aware that they were born fucked up?

01:30:11.520 Are they aware that we really don't like it when they show up?

01:30:18.640 Yeah. Well, it's so, it's so weird. I think some of them intentionally hate us and don't want good

01:30:27.360 for us. And they like to terrorize us. And then like the, like, I don't think it's all demons,

01:30:34.160 you know, like I, cause I, cause demons want to be like in your body sinning. They enjoy sinning,

01:30:41.680 they desire it, they need it. So when they jump in our, when they're with us and pushing us to do

01:30:48.560 various things, like, I feel like they are receiving like the joy, the pleasure of whatever sin you have,

01:30:56.640 like lust or whatever. And like, that's why that they're, that's why they're doing it because they're

01:31:01.520 in chains of darkness, like in the spirit world, and they can't feel anything unless they're like

01:31:08.720 inside a human body. Right. But then on the other side of that, these people that are inhabiting this 0.81

01:31:14.000 upside down, almost seem like there's some rhyme or reason, some functionality to that realm.

01:31:18.640 Right. I've even heard people describe it like, yeah, or like they have a job, you know what I mean?

01:31:24.480 Like they're there. There's yeah. So, um, that doesn't strike me as some, something that's yearning

01:31:30.240 to inhabit a physical body so that it can sin as much as it's indicative of somebody just going

01:31:36.240 through the motions of their everyday life. In fact, I've even heard it described where,

01:31:41.440 when you're astral projecting, they might be keyed into you being there, but are freaked out

01:31:45.920 because they can't see you, you know? So there's like, there's a lot of really weird stuff about this,

01:31:49.680 that, um, even on this show, go ahead. My husband, he, he talked about this on the confessionals,

01:31:57.520 but he saw a, uh, a group of like little people. It like, uh, like they were sort of like translucent

01:32:08.640 ish and it was it, it was at night and they were standing next to this great tree. And it was like a

01:32:15.920 circle of like little fairy dwarf people and like him and two other people all saw the same thing 0.55

01:32:24.160 and they all were able to describe it to each other afterwards. But like what they, like they didn't,

01:32:30.720 these people didn't do anything. Like these little people, like they, they recognized that my husband

01:32:36.160 was there and like, they were like startled. And then my husband was terrified and ran away

01:32:43.200 and they all ran away. Right. And if you have too much of a reductionist point of view, they don't,

01:32:47.360 then where do they fit in? It's like, these aren't angels or demons. Right. You know, like,

01:32:50.640 what is that? And so like, I was watching the movie, um, the original Hellboy films,

01:32:56.080 which are actually, they, they age really well. I went back and watching with my son recently. And

01:33:00.880 in the second movie, they delve into this realm that's inhabited by sort of goblins and various,

01:33:09.600 um, almost like Celtic mythology creatures, like fairies and such. And the way they get there is

01:33:17.040 there is a portal that is under the London bridge and they have to gain access to it by like speaking

01:33:24.160 to the guard or whatever. And I think that a lot of things are hidden in fantasy that rhyme with

01:33:31.200 something in reality, you know, in fictional films. And I'm not saying that the base of the London bridge

01:33:36.400 has this other realm. But what I am saying is I've heard enough testimony from people that describe

01:33:41.600 things that you shouldn't see outside of the film Hellboy, or you shouldn't see outside of the film

01:33:46.560 Lord of the Rings, or you shouldn't see, you know, insert your, and, but yet here people are

01:33:53.040 telling these stories and you can call them liars. But oftentimes there's patterns if you care to look

01:34:00.080 that repeat themselves from one person's testimony to another, that make you go either everybody's

01:34:04.640 lying, or people are running into something that seemingly mirrors what we call, you know,

01:34:12.320 fantasy Hollywood films. And, you know, the lion, the witch in the wardrobe, Narnia. I've heard stories

01:34:17.600 like that multiple times. Um, I've seen, I know this is, I've seen videos where people, um,

01:34:26.480 all of a sudden came into contact with something that looked like a garden gnome.

01:34:30.400 And all I can tell you is like, Hey, it's just videos you see on the internet,

01:34:33.520 but of the ones that I've seen, the people are so horrified that, um, they react like somebody

01:34:39.920 who's genuinely afraid of a mouse. You ever see people like they get on a table and they're

01:34:43.680 screaming and it's like, why are you so disproportionately afraid of this mouse? Well,

01:34:47.840 some people have me that I just, yeah. Okay. So you'll know that that is a hard thing to fake.

01:34:55.600 That's a very, when you see something that, you know, you're up on a chair and you're screaming.

01:34:59.600 Well, I've seen people do that to things that look like gnomes. And, um, and then I've heard

01:35:04.400 stories of people seeing gnomes. What, what business is there in this realm that we inhabit

01:35:08.960 for tiny people with red pointy hats? But I've heard that story a lot more than I should have heard

01:35:14.560 it for something that doesn't exist. So, um, I am a Christian and I believe in Jesus Christ,

01:35:20.480 but I also sometimes wonder like, did the Bible just not bother to talk about the gnomes?

01:35:24.640 Cause it wasn't important necessarily to what the Bible was trying to get across. Cause the Bible

01:35:28.400 tells you something very specific and there's so much that is under the sun that isn't in the Bible,

01:35:33.360 but we know is real, right? Like, I don't know if the Bible is talking about chimpanzees,

01:35:36.720 but we know that chimpanzees are real. So I just wonder if that wasn't a component that made it.

01:35:41.360 Cause that's not what this is about. That's out there, but this is telling you something very

01:35:45.920 specific, but that is out there. I think like, I think it's a non-salvation issue. And so it isn't,

01:35:52.320 so I believe in Jesus. I, I know for a fact that I am a Christian. I love the Lord. I love Jesus. I

01:36:00.880 believe that he died for our sins and rose again. And like, he gives us authority to trample over

01:36:06.880 serpents. I believe that 100%. But I do think that there is much more to the spirit realm and reality

01:36:16.320 than could be explained in the Bible. And I think the Jewish people of the old Testament were set 1.00

01:36:23.040 apart from the rest of, uh, you know, the world, the rest of the world at that time and their stories,

01:36:32.320 their history is very specific to themselves, but it leaves out the rest of the world, you know?

01:36:38.800 So like there was a lot going on that isn't in the Bible. And I think that there's

01:36:45.840 so much more. And I think in some ways it can be a distraction, like getting obsessed with fairies 1.00

01:36:51.840 and things or whatever, um, or like astral project, like astral projecting all of that,

01:36:56.880 I feel is a distraction from what's truly important, which is Jesus and helping people.

01:37:04.400 There are so many people in bondage, so many people brainwashed. So like, it's just,

01:37:09.360 and I think that that is what's truly important is helping them and reaching them.

01:37:14.880 But I do think that there is a lot more to reality. You know what I mean? Like,

01:37:20.960 I think Bigfoot fairies, uh, the dog man, all of that is, it exists, but I think that if they're like 1.00

01:37:28.880 extra dimensional beings, like they are, maybe they can cross, they have the ability to cross over

01:37:34.720 into our realm at like certain times or at will, I don't know. But like, yeah, either everyone's wrong,

01:37:44.080 everyone is lying, which it seems impossible that every single person is lying or there's something

01:37:51.520 going on. And I think that the really unfortunate thing about that body of information, Bigfoot,

01:37:59.360 fairies, things like that, astral projection, um, is that because Christianity doesn't cover it

01:38:07.120 in any meaningful way when a book on witchcraft in the teenage section of Barnes and Nobles covers it.

01:38:14.720 Well, if you've had an experience or you've heard of an experience that just lodges itself in your

01:38:22.240 brain and you just can't stop thinking about it. I was like, my friend said they saw little people

01:38:26.240 with red hats or, you know, whatever the case may be, all of a sudden here it is in this book.

01:38:30.240 Well, now this book is an authority on the, on the topic. And that's the problem is we get amazed

01:38:35.520 by these spiritual encounters. And then we find something that addresses it. And that something

01:38:41.200 then becomes our authority on the topic. And that, you know, like a, like a book on witchcraft

01:38:46.400 in the teenage section of borders, right? Right, exactly. So, um, we're at the hour and a half mark.

01:38:53.280 I really want to get into how you become disenchanted with this, you know, um, version

01:39:00.960 of reality that, that witchcraft has offered you and how you make this transition over into, uh,

01:39:06.400 Christianity. Um, so we had, so I had given birth. I decided to keep my baby. Okay. Um, and some 0.69

01:39:19.680 pre precursor. Uh, so I used to be addicted to opiates. I like lost my, my whole life felt all apart.

01:39:27.680 And I, uh, was with this woman and for seven years and, um, she introduced me to hard drugs and I

01:39:39.120 lost everything and, uh, was basically living out of my car and homeless. And my husband, the man who

01:39:48.640 would become my husband, um, got me into rehab and I figured out eventually that, um, so I had had

01:39:59.600 an abortion at 18 and, uh, like the guy that I was with pressured me to get an abortion. And like,

01:40:07.440 when I went, he went to like a metal show like that day and like, wasn't there for me. And yeah.

01:40:12.480 Yeah. And, uh, like my mom drove me and she was a hardcore feminist. And anyway, so I started to

01:40:22.240 torture myself. Basically I swore off men. I became, I considered myself a lesbian. I would

01:40:29.120 like drink blackout drunk, like almost daily. And I was because of the trauma associated with the

01:40:36.400 abortion. Right. Um, so I, my husband, the man that would become my husband got me into rehab

01:40:47.440 and I got clean for, uh, I was probably clean for like two or three years and was like waitressing and

01:40:56.160 stuff. And then we, we got pregnant and we considered an abortion and somebody at the clinic

01:41:04.960 told me that, um, when you have a baby and you decide to keep the baby, the universe will make

01:41:14.640 everything work out. It will make reality work out. Things will fall into place. So I decided to keep

01:41:22.320 the baby and I gave birth to him and, um, I, while I was nursing him one day. Oh, so, so I, when I was

01:41:35.200 pregnant, I was nine months pregnant. I suddenly remembered that I probably had a 401k and we didn't

01:41:41.280 know how we were going to make ends meet. We didn't know what we were going to do. He was working at some

01:41:46.880 like lame job at a antique store. I was waitressing and bartending and I was like, how are we going to

01:41:54.960 do this? But then suddenly one day I remembered, Hey, I have a 401k from that job that I lost due to

01:42:03.280 drug addiction. And I went to go look and it turns out that I had $75,000 in my 401k.

01:42:11.120 So I was like, Oh, okay. Balling out of control. Thanks universe. But if I had remembered that I

01:42:18.240 had had this 401k before I got pregnant, I would have used all, I would have blown it all on drugs.

01:42:24.080 Right. Um, I got a severance package of like $25,000 and I blew all of that in three months

01:42:30.960 on drugs. So like I would have died. I'm sure like something would have happened, but anyway,

01:42:36.000 it worked out as an aside. Uh, I've known a lot of people who have been through very similar

01:42:40.800 situations to yours and at the peak of when they would be, they would have this proclivity to abuse

01:42:47.520 drugs and live a debaucherous lifestyle. They often fall into an incredible amount of money. I mean,

01:42:52.800 that happens in so many, I know individuals that I can count, I think exceeding, uh, like certainly

01:42:58.800 exceeding one hand, um, who at the height of their drug use, their, their debaucherous lifestyle

01:43:06.320 would come into more money than I've ever seen in my life. And it would come and go and they blow it on

01:43:12.960 all kinds of crap. And then it would just be a funny story in hindsight. And I go, you have nothing to show

01:43:17.520 for it. They go, no, I have nothing to show for it. But I just find that funny because you want to talk

01:43:21.820 about the universe providing, well, it seems like maybe there's even something that wants to provide

01:43:27.420 you with fuel to the fire that you're burning. Right. I just see that a lot. I know maybe that's

01:43:32.540 in, uh, an outlying thing. Maybe not a lot of other people have seen that. I've seen that a lot.

01:43:37.820 I, I, I mean, I believe it. And you know, I think that there are like spiritual, I think there's

01:43:42.820 something spiritual to most things that happen in the natural. There's like a spiritual side to it.

01:43:49.320 No, anyway, but right. So I blew all of that money, $25,000. I had literally $25,000 and I blew it all

01:43:57.080 on drugs and it all disappeared, but I had a 401k this, that whole time. And I think that God like

01:44:04.220 kept it from my memory or something. I had no idea. And then suddenly I remembered when I was nine months

01:44:10.920 pregnant that, and didn't know what to do that. I had $75,000. So I used, I bribed my husband and I was

01:44:18.440 like, I will pay off the truck if you marry me. And I paid off his truck and he married me. And, uh,

01:44:24.640 so we bought our house and it made everything. And I, I became a stay-at-home mom and, um, which I

01:44:32.520 never thought in a million years would ever happen. I was not one of those girls who dreamed about

01:44:36.820 getting married, what my wedding was going to be like and how many kids I was going to have.

01:44:40.820 I didn't want any of that. And here I am. But anyway, um, so after I had my son, I was sitting

01:44:47.340 there nursing him and, um, I, we are, we didn't have a dryer and I would hang up my husband's

01:44:54.160 clothes, his work clothes. And all of a sudden I see one of the shirts, like something pinched the

01:45:00.680 corner and like, let go. And the shirt like started swinging. And I was like,

01:45:04.720 but they're like, what other explanation could there be? There was, there was no bug there.

01:45:13.720 No windows were open. Like the air wasn't on. Like there was no logical explanation for what I just

01:45:20.740 saw other than perhaps a spirit of some sort. And so a lot of weird stuff started happening. And my

01:45:28.000 husband was getting sleep paralysis and he started seeing things and I, um, looked into,

01:45:36.880 I got like a bunch of sage and like burned it. And like, I was into witchcraft still at that time 0.69

01:45:41.660 and we got this spirit out, but I realized that like the demonic was real. Okay. And I was like,

01:45:47.760 this was a demon. My husband saw like this tall, like lanky white thing in our home. And

01:45:56.240 a rake, huh? A rake. It's an archetype, right? It's this, this entity, there's shadow people.

01:46:02.320 There's the long lanky skin, skin Walker type, right? Yeah. These things repeating archetypes of, 1.00

01:46:10.460 uh, you know, certainly these things can be broken down into categories. Um, that's interesting. So,

01:46:16.020 so all that happened, right. And while all this is going on, my dad is sending me Jordan Peterson

01:46:22.280 videos and I would watch these videos looking for things to argue with so that I could like find

01:46:29.780 things to like, tell my dad, like, you're an idiot. Like I'm right. And this is why you need to embrace

01:46:36.040 socialism is essentially what I was doing. And, um, but I started watching enough of them to where like

01:46:44.400 these seeds would start getting planted. And I, um, instead of like finding things to argue with,

01:46:51.980 he like, I started cleaning my room, right? I started cleaning my room and I started thinking

01:46:57.040 about like goals and things. And, um, he, but so I had a lot of free time on my hands because I was

01:47:04.600 stay at home mom. So I consumed like all of his college courses that he, like he, at that time he had

01:47:12.680 them all free on YouTube. And, um, so in these courses, he talks about Carl Young and shadow work

01:47:21.160 and shadow work is essentially where you go into your shadow, uh, the things about yourself that

01:47:28.760 you've like suppressed and you incorporate those things back into your personality to become a whole

01:47:34.040 person. So I was like, why not? I'll just do this. So I, the way you can tell what's in your shadow

01:47:42.380 is by looking at other people and like the things that really annoy you and other people are what

01:47:49.280 are in your shadow. So it's like a part of like projection, like when like people project their issues

01:47:55.560 onto other people, it's sort of like a similar vein. But so at that time, like I said, I was literally

01:48:02.260 had blue hair as a blue haired liberal. Um, and so naturally the thing that I thought immediately

01:48:11.100 jumped to mind were like MAGA people. So in rehab, I had this guy that was in rehab with me who would

01:48:18.060 wear like MAGA hats and we would get into screaming matches and like one of us would like leave the

01:48:25.180 room or whatever. And so I hated this guy and I was like, okay, that's the guy that pisses me off the

01:48:31.580 most. So in my mind, I was like trying to sympathize with him and like, I don't, I don't know, like

01:48:40.540 empathize with a conservative standpoint. So I got on Google and I was trying to find a conservative

01:48:48.940 media and it is so like at that time I had no idea that about like the echo chambers, like we literally

01:48:59.020 are in echo chambers. Like I would try and find anything conservative and all I would get was

01:49:05.400 like CNN or MSNBC or Rachel Maddow, which was all the stuff I was already consuming. So that was the

01:49:10.860 first time I really realized that there, something weird was happening where like, I couldn't find

01:49:18.620 conservative viewpoints. They just were not available to me. So I did eventually find the daily wire and,

01:49:25.700 um, I, uh, tried to listen to a few of their podcasts and you found Ben Shapiro to be insufferable.

01:49:36.380 Uh, I don't know if he could speak any faster. He's just, but anyway, he, right. So, but I would try

01:49:44.400 and listen to his podcasts and like, I would get so angry at the things that they were saying, like

01:49:50.620 about Obama or Hillary Clinton that I literally could not understand what they were saying. Like

01:49:55.860 I, I would be so mad. I literally, I couldn't hear it. So I'd, I would have to go back and like

01:50:03.060 rewatch things again to like, try and like push myself aside to listen. So, but I, in that I learned

01:50:11.860 how to set aside my emotions and look logically at a situation and, and, uh, before that, all I did was

01:50:20.840 ride on my emotions. Um, so things started, my worldview started to shift at that point. And, um, I

01:50:31.200 started to get into, uh, the Joe Rogan experience. And in his interview, his first interview with

01:50:40.060 Ben Shapiro, he asks Ben like why he believes in God and, uh, Ben Shapiro starts talking about the

01:50:48.560 image of God and what that means. And he essentially says, uh, God placed man in a logical ordered

01:50:58.360 universe and to carry, to be the image of God is to be, is to understand the universe and to be able

01:51:06.080 to steward the, to steward reality. And, um, we're the only beings, the only material beings that are

01:51:13.660 able to do that. And he said it in like a much more eloquent way, but that's essentially what he

01:51:17.360 said. And that, I don't know why God used this, but that's what he used. And it was as if he touched

01:51:24.120 my forehead, like, and like, I just, the scales fell away. And I saw that God was real and that I have

01:51:33.500 been like, I had been on the wrong path completely. And, um, so I still didn't think Christianity was

01:51:41.620 the truth. I was like, Christians are stupid. They are judgmental and smelly and I don't like 1.00

01:51:48.940 Christians. And so I, um, was like, I'm going to read the Hebrew Bible and learn Hebrew and maybe

01:51:56.520 I'll convert to Judaism. So I did that. I started to teach myself Hebrew and read the old Testament 0.80

01:52:03.760 and the, in Isaiah, it barely, very clearly. And in Psalms, there are very clear references to Jesus,

01:52:13.620 to somebody being crucified, to somebody like being killed. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh,

01:52:24.260 that's weird. So I hadn't been raised. My parents taught me that like, there was no way to prove

01:52:29.340 that Jesus existed and that faith is blind and et cetera. So I got online and it's very easy to just 0.81

01:52:38.360 look it up, but Jesus was a historical person. And even secular scholars, most of them agree that Jesus

01:52:45.500 was a real person that walked the earth. And that was like mind blowing to me. And then I discovered the

01:52:51.900 dead sea scrolls and, and the dead sea scrolls are Isaiah, the scrolls of Isaiah, and they've been

01:52:58.720 carbon dated to pre-exist Jesus, the time that Jesus would have existed. And if you compare the

01:53:05.940 Isaiah scrolls to the scrolls that we use for like ESV translations, for example, they're identical,

01:53:12.740 exactly the same. So there was a prophecy about Jesus that existed, has been proven to exist before

01:53:20.560 Jesus walked the earth as like a material person. And it, that was mind blowing to me. So I logically

01:53:31.180 converted. And then I, that it took a little bit of time. And then I repented for the abortion, for being

01:53:41.660 an occultist. And I received the Holy Spirit. And like, I was healed of cigarette smoking. I like

01:53:52.040 complete, I felt my desires change. Like I had been a lesbian for almost a decade before that. So like

01:53:59.160 those desires though, have like completely melted away. And I don't, I don't know if that was,

01:54:06.560 it's a heart change. You know what I mean? So. Talk about a paradigm shift for you because you,

01:54:12.540 you, you go from a worldview that's completely informed by emotional decisions, right? I mean,

01:54:19.160 that's, that's, that's very much what it seems like. And I do think that emotion, because we're

01:54:24.200 emotional and we're logical, and that's kind of the divide. And this negative spiritual realm feeds

01:54:30.080 off of our emotions and manipulates us through them. So you go from a world that's dominated by

01:54:36.540 the emotional viewpoint to a world that is navigated quite successfully, considering where,

01:54:44.720 where you've ended up in your spiritual path. It's dominated by logic.

01:54:49.620 It's not caring about your feeling. I, I took the same, almost the same exact steps,

01:54:55.780 like, uh, Larry Elder, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, which is the top lobster name that's

01:55:01.740 from his book, uh, about the lobster. Yeah. Um, Joe Rogan. And then it's a, I don't know where

01:55:08.740 you're at now. And it, I don't, I don't know, that's your own path, but like, I kind of out,

01:55:14.320 not that I outgrew these people, but I feel like they've changed a little bit. Their messages.

01:55:19.180 They're a lot more about censorship now or whatever. I don't, I don't know. Like the weird stuff

01:55:23.500 about like censoring, uh, free speech on Twitter. And Peterson too, when he's going off about it,

01:55:29.960 like, you've got to take the vaccine, like he's just spiraling about it. And there was a change,

01:55:34.600 there's money involved, there's other in the fair, but it's one of these things where they'll tell you

01:55:39.460 a hundred truths. And then this one lie to deviate you from the path. And I'm looking at Jordan

01:55:43.900 Peterson and Ben Shapiro, which I never knew his real motives, but to me, they've deviated from the

01:55:49.680 path that I'm going towards right now, but it's fine because they, they put me on this path and

01:55:54.700 they kind of the same thing. Like I was like, I had to like really listen to what this guy was saying

01:55:59.600 a couple of times because I was resistant to what he was saying, but something about it made me come

01:56:05.100 back to it and good for you for like, cause it's hard when you have somebody like basically debunking

01:56:10.920 your entire ideology. Yeah. Your entire worldview. Uh, it's real easy to be like, screw you and never

01:56:18.780 go back. But like you went back and you listen, you're like, wait, there was, but there was something

01:56:22.240 here. It bothered me to Ben Shapiro and you went back. You were like, I know that was hard, but there's

01:56:30.800 something here. Yeah. Well, I mean, so it wasn't, so I, it was more so like Clavin, I couldn't stand

01:56:37.340 Ben Shapiro for a long time. Like the whole, what was it called? They had like this whole movement

01:56:42.400 where it was intellectual dark web. Oh yeah. That's right. Yeah. I still have, you can see

01:56:49.500 Peterson's books are right here. I have both of them and they serve a purpose, but he had a tendency

01:56:58.240 to reduce everything to strictly allegory. Um, and these allegories being maps by which you can,

01:57:05.180 you know, navigate and become a more, uh, active person in your, they miss yourself to your family,

01:57:11.940 to your community five years from now. He misses a lot of like the spiritual stuff, but, uh, maybe,

01:57:18.780 maybe like I think there, but not there. He's like right on the edge and he's just, he won't.

01:57:25.460 I'm having trouble deciding if that's, is that nefarious or not? Is that, yeah, it's maybe it's

01:57:30.500 purposeful, purposeful, but there's also a tier of people like how you're describing. Like if,

01:57:37.140 you know, if you're a blue haired feminist, you're not going to come to this show and have 1.00

01:57:41.000 your mind changed. This show is for people who are already sort of red pilled and we're taking 1.00

01:57:45.440 that next step. So there's like levels and portals that you've got to step through in order to get to,

01:57:51.380 I guess, where I'm at. I get, I, and I hope that we're at where the truth is or at least where we're

01:57:57.280 like one step closer, we're taking that walk. But you know, Peterson had his, uh, his, uh,

01:58:03.040 dissection of the, the book of Genesis is tremendous. Yeah. He misses a lot of important

01:58:08.360 spiritual points, but, uh, the philosophical, the philosophical reasoning that he applied to it

01:58:15.860 is just, it's irreplaceable. And it's something that I've listened to a bunch of times and I should

01:58:19.680 go back and listen again, but I just feel like lately the world has gotten like, like we're moving

01:58:25.500 real fast to wherever we're going. So I'm like, all right, we have to catch up and we've got to

01:58:29.500 tell the people, but I don't know. I don't know. Peterson really nails, um, raising children.

01:58:38.580 Yeah. I think he nails that man. I think he nails that. Um, and it's a shame what's happened to him.

01:58:44.440 We'll always have these books, you know, of this guy who was, um, and it was incredible information.

01:58:49.820 It was very important, but yeah, I think he's a human being, you know, just like the rest of us.

01:58:55.380 Well, that's provided that it's even him anymore because I look at that and I'm like,

01:58:58.780 is that, uh, Sasha Barrett Cohen in a, in a two-tone suit? I don't even know anymore. I don't

01:59:02.860 know if that's really him. I have no idea. Um, but you know, you're right. He's, he's just a dude.

01:59:08.400 Yeah. And like, there were a lot of people who were saying, oh, he's the, the last prophet and

01:59:13.080 things like that, because he seemed like this wise man that the world really needed. And we did need

01:59:18.180 him. And I think, you know, he stood, he was ringing the alarm long before years before everything

01:59:26.360 fell apart with, uh, like the gender stuff and the attacks on free speech. And it, I mean, you know,

01:59:33.820 even, even David had a fall, you know, David had a fall. Moses had a fall. All of these men of the

01:59:40.200 Bible are human. And they all had their pitfalls, Solomon. They all had that God used them and he

01:59:49.360 was with them, but they did have, they fell away at some point, you know, and like you can still

01:59:55.120 redeem him and bring him back. But I think it's ironic how his claim to fame was freedom of speech.

02:00:02.880 Yeah. And he has like reneged on that because of, what was it? It was, was it, wasn't he

02:00:11.240 Spencer? It was about, oh. Demon trolls on Twitter. He's blocked me on Twitter for being a demon troll

02:00:17.640 when I was just telling him, telling him the truth as I saw it. My, yeah, you, you created me. Now

02:00:23.360 look at me, father. But now we're, my, my breaking off point, uh, with him was, uh, right around COVID

02:00:31.820 where, you know, one of his things, his claim to fame to me was, uh, tell the truth or at least

02:00:37.320 don't lie and don't apologize to the mob. And, and, you know, it's like 2021 and he, he's talking

02:00:44.700 to Trudeau on Dave Rubin show. And he's like, I took your damn vaccine. Now give me my freedoms

02:00:50.060 back. And it's like, that's not how it works, Jordan. You knew that from 2018. You've, you've said

02:00:55.460 that it's in your books and here you are making a deal with the devil for something that they're not

02:01:00.160 going to give you back. And, and like you, how many people have you led down the wrong

02:01:04.540 path, whether you took the vaccine or not? It's just like, you're encouraging people to

02:01:08.460 do this. And same thing with Ben Shapiro. He's like, oh, my, my wife's a doctor. It's just,

02:01:12.980 I was like, listen, next, next, next shooter, next person up. You have, you, you have a huge

02:01:18.720 audience and you're, you're leading them. And I felt like you've led them astray. So I'm

02:01:21.960 like, well, now thanks for the work you've done, but we, we have to, we can't make idols

02:01:27.560 out of these people. We have to take the information they gave us and continue to get

02:01:31.800 new information from other people or, or do it ourselves. And here we are.

02:01:35.440 This is, this perfectly highlights why it's important to follow Jesus Christ and to not

02:01:39.880 idolize a man and follow a man because we're always going to fail. We're always going to

02:01:44.820 misstep. We're always going to fumble. And if you're following a man, well, then the line

02:01:48.700 stops there. All of a sudden you're standing in front of Jordan Peterson. He's laying on the

02:01:51.540 ground in tears on benzos and you're going, I don't know where to go anymore.

02:01:54.740 And that's, it's partially my fault, right? Because I, I've, I've made it a point in my

02:02:00.340 life not to follow man, but it's still in some sort of way. I mean, look, Top Lobster,

02:02:05.300 I am, I have put him on this pedestal and I have these expectations of this guy. And when

02:02:11.700 he falls short of them, I'm very harsh at him. And maybe, maybe I'm, you know, maybe I've

02:02:17.980 said things to him that were a little too rough for him. He saw it and he blocked me.

02:02:22.200 Would you be open top to a Jordan Peterson redemption arc? Would you be there for it?

02:02:28.520 I don't really care. I'd like it. Good for him. But I've, I feel like we need, I've moved

02:02:35.000 on and you know, he could help other people. Yeah. But for me, it's just like, I'm, I'm

02:02:39.740 doing something else, but yeah. I need him to come out and I need him to be like, I was

02:02:43.120 wrong. I was a fool. And there's a huge spiritual component and demons are real. That's what I

02:02:47.400 need. I need that. I need that. That's what I need. That would be amazing. Comes out proclaiming

02:02:54.960 the gospel. We'll see. I mean, if you ask him if he believes in, he's like, what do you

02:02:59.520 mean by God? And what do you mean by if? Somebody said it. They were like, what do you mean by

02:03:04.440 and? I think it was not nice.

02:03:05.660 I behave. I act like I believe. Yeah. I behave as if there is a God. Right. Yeah. And it's,

02:03:12.260 this is true. It's true to a certain point. I told a bunch of people that I know that as

02:03:16.440 well, that they, a lot of people do behave as if there is a God, but do not say it with

02:03:20.340 their mouth. So it's like, well, you know, come on. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, unless

02:03:28.480 you have anything left on the table that you, you feel compelled to share. Okay. Go ahead.

02:03:35.340 Okay. So that was, so we talked about, like, that's how I became a Christian. Right. And

02:03:42.520 I went through down this path where I wanted to be a witch and a Christian and I wanted to 1.00

02:03:48.120 do new age. White magic. Yes. Little white magic. I literally was trying to do that. And 0.92

02:03:55.300 then we, uh, the whole COVID happened, everything happened and we ended up like moving out to the

02:04:01.100 middle of nowhere. And I started going through this Baptist church and we had been kind of looking at

02:04:07.240 churches where we lived before, but I experienced a lot of like judgment or whatever at the Baptist

02:04:15.140 churches. Okay. I don't, I don't, anyway, we ended up at a Baptist church out here and I, my beliefs

02:04:22.120 and my understanding of the Holy spirit, uh, were refined and eventually like all of that new age

02:04:28.940 stuff, like fell off. And I, um,

02:04:33.420 became like a more solidly, like, I had like a solid foundation to stand on, like a truer

02:04:41.060 understanding of the Bible. And like, I stopped looking for like reincarnation in the Bible, like

02:04:47.300 trying to, like people would use, um, like calling John the Baptist, Elijah as proof that they believed

02:04:54.540 in reincarnation, but it's not true. And like in the Bible, it says like, you only die once. Okay. Um,

02:05:03.080 so I started going to a Baptist church. I'm still a member there now. And, um, I, everything was fine

02:05:12.200 until I, um, came under like very severe demonic oppression. And like, as a result of that, my

02:05:24.580 beliefs have shifted again. And it's sort of like, I think that I had like the religious understanding

02:05:32.120 down and then true Christian spirituality has now like come into the picture. So like the gifts of

02:05:39.080 the spirit and the Holy spirit and like the authority that we have over demons has, um,

02:05:45.840 I now understand all of that. And I'm very, in a very real way, experiencing those things.

02:05:54.800 Um, yeah. So with the demonic oppression that I came under my, I had just given birth to my third baby

02:06:04.880 and she, this was earlier this year and she, um, is perfect and amazing, but we stopped going to

02:06:14.120 church because I had a newborn. And so I stopped reading the Bible. I stopped really, I wasn't really

02:06:21.000 praying a lot before that anyway. Like I would pray for like before meals or like pray like some before

02:06:28.900 bed, like thank God for the day, whatever, go to bed. And so that's where I was spiritually.

02:06:34.400 And my husband gets me this book and he was so excited about this book and he really hyped it up.

02:06:41.420 And, um, as soon as I got it and opened it, I realized, uh, like, Oh, wait, I didn't. Okay. So

02:06:50.520 it was a hand bound, like $160 book and it had a giant pentagram on it and Freemason symbols. And it was

02:06:59.060 a book on the history of symbols. And I flipped through it to the Christianity section. And the

02:07:05.920 first thing in the Christianity section is information on Buddhism or voodoo and like how

02:07:12.940 voodoo is done. And I was like, okay. Uh, and I didn't want to hurt his feelings. So I, I accepted 0.98

02:07:21.740 this book and I put it on top of my refrigerator and I didn't look at it again, but, um, then my

02:07:29.500 in-laws came to stay with us to see the baby. And I was like, Oh, they're Southern Baptists.

02:07:36.480 I got to hide this book. So I hid the book and I moved it back to my bedroom and I put it, um,

02:07:42.760 on my dresser. And then we all started having nightmares. Um, my, my youngest son started seeing,

02:07:52.100 he called it the happy monster, like the happy monster from the playroom. He would like scream

02:07:57.960 terrified and like hide behind me. The happy monster is here. The happy he's only, he's only two.

02:08:04.480 So like his, how he explains things is he's still coming into language, but anyway, he would say the

02:08:10.580 happy monster is here and I would rebuke it and he would say that it left, but then it kept happening.

02:08:16.340 And we all, I started having these dreams where like, I could not say Jesus, like Jesus would not

02:08:24.120 come out of my mouth. And, um, my husband was having nightmares. My children were having nightmares.

02:08:31.660 Everybody was like seeing weird stuff, stuff where it was moving. And, um, we started going back to

02:08:38.500 church again, uh, while all of this was going on. And while we were singing, I, the words that I was

02:08:46.660 trying to sing, I saying hell will rain forever. That came out of my mouth. And I was like, what is

02:08:56.700 going on right now? And like trying to rebuke this thing would not work. Like it would work and like

02:09:02.740 things would disappear, but it would, it kept coming back. And I, that experience, um, taught me

02:09:11.340 a lot. It, uh, I learned about like the legal rights that demons have for Christians, even like 0.99

02:09:20.280 Christians, you can come into agreement without realizing it with a demonic entity. And the entity 0.98

02:09:26.040 can control you. It can like go into you even as a Christian. And that is not something that like I 0.82

02:09:33.360 believed or understood at all. And, um, God, I think, I think God finally gave me a dream where I saw the

02:09:42.420 book and I knew that there was, I saw myself as a teenager, um, doing a cult like rituals. And I saw the book

02:09:52.600 and then I knew that there was a demon there and I was trying to scream for Jesus. And I could not say

02:09:58.780 Jesus would not come out of my mouth. And I was like getting sleep paralysis and the whole, the whole

02:10:04.160 thing. And finally, after this dream, I realized the book, I have accepted this book into my home. I

02:10:12.920 have put my husband's feelings above God and above what I know God wants. And so I confronted my husband

02:10:21.660 about the book and he said that he thought it would be like reading about Hitler where like it's, um,

02:10:28.340 it's harmless, you know, it's kind of interesting. It's like dark and spooky, but it's, there's no harm

02:10:33.760 in reading about Hitler. And I was like, no, I have renounced all things, a cult. And as soon as I said

02:10:42.900 that, I felt this oppression lift off of me and like, I felt lighter and, um, like all of like the

02:10:52.840 fear and anxiety, like I picked up vaping and stuff again. And like, I don't like while this was

02:10:58.620 happening and like, I don't know, as soon as I said, I have renounced all things, a cult it, I felt it

02:11:05.860 leave me. And my husband got upset and he took the book away and I felt like everything like leave,

02:11:13.560 like the darkness leave. And he sent the book back and, um, that began a whole journey. This all

02:11:21.700 happened before the thing where like my son was attacked and had one in him. So these, I, these

02:11:30.220 all happened this year, but I feel like God was like teaching me, you know? So like he allowed

02:11:37.360 this to happen and it, I repented for idolatry, repented for like accepting the stuff into my home

02:11:44.420 and beg for his mercy. But like in all of this, God has really used it to open my eyes to the authority

02:11:52.160 that we have as Christians. And we, like the church is so dry right now. I think like the Pentecostals

02:11:59.640 aren't in like charismatic kind of non-denominational churches, I think have like a much better grasp

02:12:09.180 of like what's going on, but by and large, like all these Methodist churches, like the Baptist churches,

02:12:16.280 like I love my brothers and sisters in Christ, but it is dry as a bone. And like the, like the Holy

02:12:24.840 Spirit like is there and accessible. And like we, and like prayer is like how we tapped in,

02:12:32.740 tap into that power, the power that we have. And I think there's something in us as humans that

02:12:38.900 desires that power that desires the supernatural, which is why the new age and the occult and all of

02:12:47.760 these things are so popular now. And there is a space that the church needs to step up and fill.

02:12:55.260 And like, we have to be talking about spiritual warfare. Even Tucker Carlson is coming out about

02:13:02.200 his demonic attacks. And like, it is very real. And there is a very serious need in our culture now

02:13:11.520 of people that are willing and able to stand up with the Lord and like break people free of these chains

02:13:18.680 and let people know, like there is power in the Holy Spirit. It is not weak. It is not, uh, you just

02:13:26.140 let people, you let everything like trample over you and you just like stay in your corner and pray and

02:13:32.080 hope everything turns out. Okay. That is not how Christianity is supposed to be. That's not what

02:13:37.240 Jesus did. Jesus went out and he set people free and we are supposed to be doing that. So

02:13:45.020 I think we're about to, we're about to see something like that. Some kind of revival. Um,

02:13:51.620 I just like kind of how we discussed with like a Jordan Peterson type. I'm excited about it, but I,

02:13:58.960 I'm weary about the, uh, not the outcome of it, but I'm weary about the players in it because there's

02:14:05.920 going to be a lot, there's a lot of people that are noticing that that's happening and

02:14:09.820 they're already moving to fill these positions. So which way they move, I don't know. I just said,

02:14:15.580 you know, keep your eyes on God, keep your eyes on Jesus. And, uh, it's going to be fun the next

02:14:21.300 couple of years. I think it's going to be a good time, but I'm just, uh, keeping my head on a

02:14:25.580 swivel for the, the, the, the delusion or the, whatever the trickery that, that might come with

02:14:31.380 this. Cause that's, yeah. You're going to try something like a year ago or whatever, some sort

02:14:37.260 of like, I don't know. You're right. Like they're like the enemy and the people who, you know,

02:14:44.200 are his minions essentially like are going to move and it's going to be deceptive. Like it's just

02:14:50.320 how they, how they work. But I think, like you said, keep your eyes on Jesus, keep your eyes on

02:14:56.000 God and the Holy spirit. I think that there's like, I think the Holy spirit is going to like,

02:15:02.480 we've had like a lot of emphasis on Jesus and God. And I think that the Holy spirit is missing from

02:15:08.340 the church and it's a triune God. So anyway, I think that, well, on that topic of the deception 0.97

02:15:16.560 that's coming, that, that top is anticipating. And I agree with that sentiment. I can feel it too.

02:15:21.300 And I'll not be following, uh, what's his name, Russell brand anywhere very much. But, um,

02:15:29.240 yeah, on the topic of this dream that you had, you said you were, you had a dream where you could

02:15:35.020 see yourself when you were a teenager and you're going through these books. And we did an episode

02:15:39.520 recently, um, with Heidi love on Mormonism. And I think what that episode did for me was it made it

02:15:47.400 very clear that the practices that are happening today are the same practices that were happening

02:15:55.120 in the beginning. It's all sort of like this Solomonistic magic, right? The idea that Solomon

02:16:01.740 bound these demons and had them do his will using various sigils and stuff comes from extra canonical

02:16:08.240 texts, but, um, I think it makes a lot of sense because you can see the echoes of those practices

02:16:16.160 still happening today. It's the same entities. It's the same practices, the same magic, the same

02:16:21.940 ceremonies, the same rituals. And I think that that's what that dream, nothing new under the sun.

02:16:26.560 Right. And I think that that's what that dream was, was like, look, you're doing the same thing.

02:16:32.580 If the through line is Solomonistic magic, which maybe it's not, I could be wrong. Who cares?

02:16:37.260 But if there is a through line and it's the same practices, what you're doing in your witchcraft 0.70

02:16:42.520 practice is the same thing that's happening in these Freemason halls. It's just different degrees

02:16:48.880 of decorum. You know what I mean? As far as like the level of the ceremony and the rebranding, right?

02:16:55.400 Yeah. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. And I feel like that's what God was trying to show

02:16:59.180 you in that moment was like, you're beholden to the same exact, uh, practices right now. It's just

02:17:04.800 sitting on top of your fridge, but it's another book for another people rebranded, you know,

02:17:11.380 packaged differently. It's the same thing though.

02:17:14.160 Yeah. And that's good.

02:17:16.360 Yeah. I mean, go ahead.

02:17:18.060 I look forward to talking to you again. Um, I don't, I don't know how much time, but I feel

02:17:23.820 like you're going to have a, a pretty good testimony maybe with your, with your husband

02:17:27.960 and what happens in your life because you're at a, it seems like you're at a, like a point,

02:17:32.820 you're at a point in year where, um, you're going to do something pretty cool.

02:17:38.060 So thank you.

02:17:39.680 Yeah.

02:17:39.960 I want God to use me. Like that's my primary book. Like I want God to use me. I want to help

02:17:46.060 people who are where I was, which was blinded and deceived and you know, all of that. So I

02:17:51.620 appreciate that.

02:17:52.740 Yeah.

02:17:53.620 He kept your, um, he kept your logic intact. It's funny cause you know, you don't use

02:17:57.620 something for so long. You think it gets rusty and dusty, but, uh, I think you, you navigated

02:18:03.560 your way out of that using logic, um, in a way that a lot of people wouldn't have been

02:18:08.360 able to do. So, um, and I mean, it's all for your benefit and also the benefit of your

02:18:13.020 family. Um, so, well, thank you very much for, uh, sharing your story. This was excellent. I

02:18:21.680 thought it was excellent. I thought it was really refreshing to hear. Um, oftentimes we have people

02:18:26.760 on the show who are experts in, in some, you know, maybe they're a theologian of some sort of

02:18:32.440 biblical theologian or, um, it's not often that we get to talk to somebody who came through that

02:18:36.980 path that you did. I came through it in a similar way, but I never adhered to anything and I

02:18:41.580 never practiced anything. It was just what first caught my interest, but you, um, being

02:18:47.420 in it, practicing it, immersing yourself in it, and then coming out of the other end. Uh,

02:18:52.300 I think that that testimony resonates with, with a lot of people because like you said,

02:18:58.460 I think you nailed it, right? We don't have this spiritual connection in the West. So when

02:19:03.320 witchcraft comes along and shows you these things that, you know, are filled with truths,

02:19:09.800 truths, but fundamental lies, they're very attractive to people. And the church is dropping

02:19:14.120 that bowl. Maybe, maybe it's our lot. Um, which really the church needs to look at itself.

02:19:21.140 Why on earth are shows like this doing the job that they should be doing? Yeah. I agree.

02:19:27.140 But there, there, there's a vacuum, there's a void and, uh, you know, voices like yours need to

02:19:33.020 step up and fill that void because I get the feeling that time is short, but thank you very

02:19:38.800 much for, for coming on the show today and sharing this, uh, one more time. I know you, you don't have

02:19:44.200 much in the way of, for people to find you, but I'm sure there's going to be people that are

02:19:48.300 interested. So could you just let folks know? Um, you can find me on Instagram at Mama Shaw OC. Uh,

02:19:54.060 it's private at the moment, but just send me a friend request and I'll add you on. I need to

02:19:59.000 update it, but yeah, do just feel free to reach out if anyone has any questions or anything. Um,

02:20:06.560 thank y'all so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Like, I love the show. Y'all are

02:20:11.900 speaking truth into the darkness. Oh, thank you. That means a lot. And again, thanks for your time.

02:20:17.480 This is amazing. And, uh, I think we'll be back. We might have the rest of the week off, David.

02:20:24.060 I don't know. Are we talking to him this week? No, not this week. Sorry guys, but maybe we'll

02:20:31.060 figure something out for these people. Well, maybe we'll, we'll do something last minute in a couple

02:20:34.020 of days, but thank you again. Uh, Mama Shaw, I don't want to dox you and, uh, we'll see you guys 0.62

02:20:39.320 next time. Peace out. Peace out.

02:20:42.900 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly

02:20:50.140 telling us what to believe is real. If you can persuade them that what they see with their

02:20:56.240 eyes is what there is to see, because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays

02:21:03.980 the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - November 22, 2024

079： Battling Spiritual Forces： From Witchcraft to Christianity w⧸ Mama Sha

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