Shannon shares her story of coming out of the occult and Satanism and how she found her way into the world of witchcraft and the dark side of life. She also shares her testimony of how she became a Christian.
00:04:48.540Brad seemingly pitching us an underhand throw here.
00:04:52.200When it comes to, it's really interesting that you're talking about.
00:04:55.320I was just in this bookstore the other day, Books a Million.
00:04:57.980And there is, like, an entire New Age witchcraft occult section.
00:05:03.020And it does have a teenage bent to it.
00:05:05.800And a lot of that stuff is what they pitch at teenagers.
00:05:07.960And I don't want to be the type of person that's, like, don't watch Harry Potter.
00:05:12.100But these things do effectively act as a gateway.
00:05:16.220And I don't, I'm not the type of person that tells people to stay away from it because I think your journey is your own.
00:05:22.240Here you are sitting before us, right, who you seemingly came to Christ through the back door of the church.
00:05:27.320That's kind of the expression that I use when it comes to people who first found their way through the occult and then end up Christianity.
00:05:32.760It's just interesting, though, that you're here telling us it was a, it was a book on witchcraft that was aimed at teenagers.
00:06:19.460There was some sexual appeal and the whole aesthetic to, you know, like, the goth subculture, you know?
00:06:29.780And I was very overweight at that time.
00:06:33.500Like, I was 230 pounds in middle school.
00:06:37.440And I think that played into it also was, like, wanting some sort of release to, like, escape myself and escape my family, escape everything.
00:06:47.760And also, witchcraft offers a, you get, like, control.
00:06:52.920So, you can control a world that is spiraling out of control.
00:06:58.160And, like, I felt out of control in my body.
00:07:00.600And it's just, it's a multifaceted issue.
00:07:03.760But, yes, so I got into witchcraft and I was sort of, like, toyed around with it and built an altar and things.
00:07:14.620And I tried a few spells and I ended up doing basically, like, a love spell on this kid that I had this massive crush on.
00:07:29.300And I left a candle burning in my room.
00:07:32.920And I left for school with the candle burning.
00:07:37.160And naturally, my room caught on fire.
00:08:35.820This might be, if you don't want to, don't answer it.
00:08:39.360But is there a specific name entity that's involved with, because I assume that there is going to be a different principality for this sort of magic, this sort of spell that you're doing.
00:08:53.380So, I, at that time, I didn't have any idea about, like, demons or, I was into goddesses.
00:09:00.300So, I was, like, sacrificing to, like, Diana or Hecate or Hecate, however you pronounce her name.
00:09:07.960Um, and, uh, so my, like, I, I had been, after, after that spell, I started to be attacked by shadow people, but I didn't have any concept about demons.
00:09:20.400And so, like, that didn't come in until a lot later.
00:09:46.940Um, and he, all the way through high school into college, he had a thing for me and would sort of, I, I think, to, like, an obsessive level because I went on, I, like, became, I became, like, a full-blown lesbian in college.
00:10:01.860And I, like, bought the, the leftist, liberal, the whole pie.
00:10:09.180And I was, like, full-blown, blue-haired, literally blue-haired, like, all of it.
00:10:14.560Um, but even through all of that, that whole time, he had, like, uh, like, an, uh, an obsession kind of thing going.
00:10:22.000So, I, I personally think, like, looking back, I don't think it was actually the spell that worked, but probably, like, demonic oppression involved there.
00:11:11.820I do have something related to that, that, um, when I was a kid, long before I ever tried witchcraft, um, uh, there was, uh, a Satanist that lived a house, a couple houses down from me.
00:11:27.180And I think that he had, like, a thing for kids and he would, like, we'd have our pool out as, like, a little kid and be, like, swimming, me and my brother.
00:11:39.140And he would just be standing there watching us.
00:11:42.080And, um, I, around that same time, I would wake up sometimes at night and there would be, like, a shadow figure.
00:11:50.240Or, not, it's more, like, a static, like, on the old TVs, there'd be, like, white noise or static on a TV when it wasn't connected to anything.
00:11:59.600Um, a figure that looked like that, just static, would be, like, standing in my doorway looking at me.
00:12:06.380And it happened, like, numerous times.
00:12:10.340Have you ever heard, Shannon, other people's descriptive of that static man?
00:12:14.400Because I, I've heard that descriptive several times.
00:12:31.080Because it seems to be, like, repeat, um, it's very far and few in between that you find somebody with an experience that somebody else hasn't also seen something similar.
00:12:40.180And I think that just speaks to the categorization of entities that are in this realm that we can't see.
00:12:53.440You know, you said something before, um, that you fell into the whole gambit of, you know, leftism or liberalism, uh, you know, becoming a lesbian at some point.
00:13:15.660And I just think that that's fascinating because that's not the forward-facing, you know, mask of the movement, but it's always an element to it.
00:13:26.480And it's, it's, I don't know what it is.
00:13:28.640It's, like, something about these ideologies and these spiritual practices.
00:13:33.660They prey on people who are, uh, disenfranchised from the general population.
00:13:38.760So people that are outliers that have had a negative experience one way or the other socially often fall into these things.
00:13:45.700It's, it's really, like, these things are parasitic or, or, um, prey-driven and they're waiting for somebody to take advantage of.
00:13:53.340Um, I, I think that, um, like, wounds like that, like, I'm sorry if y'all can hear that, but, um, I think that on the spirit realm, we have, when we go through social traumas and, um, just whatever, like, emotional trauma, it can leave windows open to our bodies.
00:14:14.940And I think that that, that window, like, leaves opportunity for parasites, like you said, to climb in through and, like, inhabit and torment us.
00:14:26.520And it's sort of, like, leaves us vulnerable, especially if you don't have, like, the, the armor of God, for example, which I had no idea what that even was until, like, a couple of years ago.
00:14:38.420And I think, um, yeah, I think that's exactly right.
00:14:41.820Um, we talk about it on the show often, um, and it's certainly a contentious topic because it's, it's a touchy one, but it does seem like, um, within these organizations, there is a uplifting of women to a higher spiritual authority place.
00:15:00.260Um, and when I mean these organizations, I mean, like, uh, covens and, and, you know, uh, at the top of the show, Top Lops has said that yesterday we were discussing various sects of Satanism and such.
00:15:10.600Within these organizations, they'll elevate women to a high spiritual place.
00:15:14.980And I find it interesting that the church doesn't do that.
00:15:18.100And I just wonder if it's because women are particularly spiritually vulnerable.
00:15:21.860Um, I think in some ways, women are a bit more in tune with the spiritual realm.
00:15:28.500They're more, they can interact with it.
00:15:32.380Uh, it can interact with them a little bit more than, than men.
00:15:35.100And I think when you take women and you strip them of their spiritual understanding, but you cannot remove that interaction that still happens to them, that's where things go wrong.
00:15:44.500Because now they don't have a map and they seek to further their interactions with this thing that's communing with them.
00:15:51.660And then we end up with this situation where you have, uh, the mothers of darkness or what have you.
00:15:56.960I think, I think that there is some truth to that.
00:15:59.300Um, and I don't, I guess, I don't know if you think it's like church tradition or like, I think there's also some like misunderstanding, uh, or misinterpretation of like the writings of Paul, um, about like women shouldn't like speak in church and things like that.
00:16:17.920Um, yeah, I, it does seem like women are by and large more in tune spiritually.
00:16:24.960Um, and it's also the serpent spoke to Eve.
00:16:32.800Well, I do think that that's the, the doorway.
00:16:35.460If you want to corrupt, uh, people, it seems that you can leverage women.
00:16:40.980And I think this is a mistake that happens over and over again, where we lose our spiritual understanding, but it never stops interacting with us in particular women.
00:16:49.280And so, um, okay, so let's, let's, I'm sorry to interrupt.
00:16:53.200Let's continue this, uh, this, so you, you are a, for a period, you're really immersed in this culture, right?
00:16:59.660Uh, like you said, you went through this socially, culturally, politically, um, and of course, spiritually.
00:17:15.160Uh, in, in high school, I, uh, found friends and we did form a coven of sorts and it wasn't, I mean, we did some rituals and things, but it wasn't anything super hardcore.
00:17:28.460But I mean, we did, we did do some magic together and we also, uh, we did like study groups like on magic and, uh, like paganism and things.
00:17:37.360And, you know, it's a cheesy goth click, you know, so, um,
00:17:44.660What did you try to do, if anything, about this shadow people?
00:17:48.580You said that you were having instances where it seemed like you were being choked and such.
00:18:01.380Uh, but, uh, so I, I knew intuitively that the shadow people were coming at me because of the witchcraft performing magic.
00:18:12.840I felt like I had opened a door and, um, I, so I stepped back from magic for a short period of time.
00:18:22.600Um, but I mean, ultimately I just accepted that they were going to happen and they began happening less frequently, but I did experience like sleep paralysis and, um, you know, like haunting situations.
00:18:38.260But, uh, yeah, I never, I never thought it never occurred to me to try and protect myself.
00:18:43.760I mean, I would do like salt circles and things, but, um, yeah, I didn't like, we didn't have the internet back then.
00:18:50.680Um, so it was, it wasn't as easy to identify things like that.
00:18:56.720And I didn't really understand like the mechanics of magic until later in life.
00:19:05.100These books, um, what are they telling you to do?
00:19:08.700I never really thought about that much.
00:19:10.700You have a book on witchcraft in the teenage section in your local bookstore.
00:19:14.880Um, what is, what are the, you know, what is it about?
00:19:20.680Um, so it'll go through, so it re so the book that I had specifically, all right, a few books, but it, they basically did like a retelling of how women used to be in power.
00:19:35.740So like there were, there was goddess worship.
00:19:38.180And then as like the pendulum swung towards masculinity, uh, Christianity came in and like the sky father.
00:20:04.520And it like retold how Christianity, um, was just a construct from, uh, Constantine to rule Rome and to unite the pagan empire and, uh, or the, uh, Roman empire under one God.
00:20:21.700And, uh, it was like a, it had some seeds of truth to it, but it was like a revisionist history.
00:20:29.440And then it also taught you how to build altars.
00:20:33.060It gave you information on different deities.
00:20:35.740And it was like the basic instructions on like how to do a spell and how to protect yourself during the spell with like the salt circle and, you know, calling on the different powers from Northeast, Southwest, and all of that stuff.
00:20:53.680So this, um, altar, you said at one point you had built an altar.
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00:24:09.400And the pagans back in biblical times knew this, like their gods had many names.
00:24:15.160So it would, the same deity would shift names like Ishtar.
00:24:22.940And then she has a lot of similarities, in my opinion, to like Kuan Yin, who is like an Indian goddess of death.
00:24:32.120But they have like these similarities where it's like as people moved throughout, you know, the European continent and Africa and everything, like they brought their gods with them.
00:24:45.840And so, yeah, I think that's exactly right.
00:24:50.220Yeah, David, we're just like recapping just the rebranding.
00:25:13.920I mean, I think that there's several elements to the alien thing, whether or not it's reverse engineered craft or even it doesn't have to be reverse engineered.
00:25:24.340It could just be technology that's been suppressed by our own military industrial complex.
00:25:28.360But then there is an element that seems to be very real.
00:25:32.380I just don't think they're from outer space.
00:25:34.200I think that more than likely, they're these kind of ancient adversarial biblical entities, and they've figured out ways through technology and such to interact with this realm a little bit more concretely.
00:25:43.800But it speaks to human beings, our thirst for knowledge also plays really well with our ego in such a way that if you rebrand something and present it to someone,
00:26:00.280they will look at that and then go, now I understand it.
00:26:04.320And that understanding is it like bolsters their ego.
00:26:07.140So in a way, like you're talking about revisionist history from this witchcraft book.
00:26:10.620You read this book, and there is an egocentric element to it where you go, ah, I now have deeper gnosis.
00:26:19.400I have deeper understanding of a topic.
00:26:21.800And then it just it folds into your rhetoric and the conversations that you have.
00:26:26.940What really happened is 2000 years ago, things you know what I mean?
00:26:29.720And it's like, somehow, that information gets tied into your personality.
00:26:34.640And I think that it's so clever, the rebranding aspect of things, because it plays off of, you know, natural human proclivities to kind of just want to be the best and we know it all and we have the coveted knowledge that nobody else has.
00:26:48.100And so I think that it's not just unique to aliens, even, you know, you're talking about Hecate, right, and Diana and such.
00:26:57.820And I think there's real precedent for at least Hecate or Hecate, however you would pronounce it, being Lilith, the night monster that's spoken about in the Bible,
00:27:12.340this female negative spirit that typically lures men.
00:27:21.420I think it's where we get the idea of, like, the siren as well, or the harpy.
00:27:24.840They described Lilith as a harpy, which I find fascinating.
00:27:27.960But there is something there where, you know, you've taken this character, and it's the same character, but you've rebranded her for Norse mythology, for maybe a Native American bent.
00:27:41.420But it's the same one, and it does the same things, but now I know her as Hecate, or I know her as X, Y, and Z.
00:27:52.000Therefore, I have Gnosis, a deeper understanding of this subject, and you lean on that and mistake that for the ability to trust this topic, and that's where things go really wrong.
00:28:13.240It's terrifying, but also interesting.
00:28:15.780My dad was obsessed with Native American lore, Native American history, Native American everything.
00:28:23.360We have, like, a minuscule amount of, like, Choctaw.
00:28:25.840And it, he had all of, like, these flutes and dream catchers and all of this stuff inside of our house.
00:28:35.720And I had, I would have, like, this reoccurring nightmare where there was a, like, a bird monster trying to climb in through my window.
00:28:48.460And this happened, it was the exact same dream several times.
00:28:52.600And I would be, and this was in waking reality, like, in real life.
00:28:57.280I would be sitting in my room, like, on my top bunk, and I would see, like, these feathers, like, go, like, above my bed and then down.
00:29:06.660And I would, like, go and look, and there'd be nothing there.
00:29:08.620And, like, I, this happened before I started getting into witchcraft.
00:29:17.760And I feel like maybe, like, spiritually something was, like, already had, like, had its grips in me and was, like, sort of, like, pushing me in, like, this direction.
00:29:30.680And I don't, I just think it's interesting, like, with the Lilith tie-in and, like, um, the Harpy aspect.
00:29:56.580And harpies, yeah, so harpies are, they have the lower half of a bird, more or less, with, yeah, talons and gigantic wings and, you know, the upper half of a woman.
00:30:09.020Because it's, like, you hear this, you hear this kind of story a lot where if someone gets involved in this stuff, they're precursors in their childhood or their past that.
00:30:17.900They're, like, I remember this happening.
00:30:19.260And then, boom, all of a sudden, I'm waist deep in the occult.
00:30:23.320It's, like, I don't want to say, I mean, we have free will, but it's almost like there's a mark on you or there's, like, a susceptibility to you that they're, like, I know that I can get in.
00:30:36.080And is it a matter of you doing something that triggers this attention that they're now giving you?
00:30:43.460Or is it a matter of maybe a generational thing, for example?
00:30:47.140Well, and this is very effectively brings us to the question that I want to ask you, but when I was younger, my grandmother, who I loved dearly, was, you know, she thought she was a clairvoyant.
00:31:00.940She was writing papers on remote viewing.
00:31:04.100She was a victim of alien abduction phenomenon when she was a child.
00:31:12.640She didn't know what it was until she got older.
00:31:14.720And, you know, there was cultural context for what she had gone through when she realized, oh, wow, other people are experiencing this as well.
00:31:22.940But I have a series of strange things that has, you know, they've always happened throughout my life.
00:31:28.000And I think in great deal, it probably has to do with some sort of, like, what the Bible might call generational iniquity.
00:31:33.440So I'm wondering, for you, Shannon, is there anything that you could look to in your past where maybe a relative was involved heavily in something that could have been passed down?
00:31:44.560Or does any of that seem to resonate with you?
00:35:42.820Okay, so he, so, for example, just recently, he'll have, like, we've started praying and praying, like, the armor of God and for, like, a shield around the house.
00:35:56.220And he will have these dreams where, like, hordes of bees are, like, trying to, like, break in.
00:36:04.680And, yeah, and then he'll, so that was the most recent dream.
00:36:09.800But, okay, so we, my pastor knows my testimony, right?
00:36:15.900I promise this is getting back into the dream.
00:36:43.040So I went and prayed over this person's house without their permission and something attached to me.
00:36:51.200And so it knew where to find me, right?
00:36:54.360So this girl reaches out to me, again, for help with getting rid of this demon.
00:37:01.220And as I'm telling her what to do, a demon, like, comes and tries to attach to me, but it can't.
00:37:10.820So it attaches to my son, the one who has all of these dreams.
00:37:13.880And that night, he started, he dreamt that there was, he was being tortured and, like, all of, like, this weird stuff that he's, like, never been exposed to.
00:37:30.100And I was able to cast it out of him, and he came to know the Lord, but he, man, he just will have, I don't know if they're, like, prophetic dreams or, y'all, I'm sorry.
00:39:04.840Like, obviously, there's other very important reasons, but if you like to be able to sleep at night as a parent, you don't feed into these things.
00:39:12.900And I remember one day he came to me and he starts telling me about a dream that he had.
00:39:18.100And whenever my son talks about dreams, I don't, like, feed in actively.
00:39:23.140But I do try, like, I'll tune in and I'll listen.
00:39:27.180And I won't make it a big deal, but I'm listening.
00:39:29.780And he starts telling me about a dog, a black dog with red eyes that could talk.
00:39:36.420And I said, huh, that's, I don't like that, but all right.
00:39:41.900You know, and he's saying that the dog is like his friend.
00:40:24.100If you feed into that, it becomes, well, I mean, it's a double-edged sword, right?
00:40:27.480Because I do believe something is definitively happening.
00:40:29.780But also, the imagination of a child can take it to a point where, who knows?
00:40:35.800Then it's this recurring thing, and he's in this realm where he's constantly coming back to me, telling me about casting out demons.
00:40:42.300And so my son is five, and he, we've had, because of where I came from, my family has opened doors to spiritual attack, spiritual warfare, more so than the average person.
00:41:01.400And we will all experience paranormal activity occasionally.
00:41:07.000And my son, after, so I described about how this demon came and attached to us, and it attached to my son.
00:41:17.160And it was torturing him and his dreams.
00:41:20.860And I started seeing, this was, this happened over a course of three days.
00:41:24.720I started seeing this shadow person walking around, and I didn't say anything to my son about what had happened.
00:43:36.320And yes, and then he was singing and happy.
00:43:39.800And we together, we walked through the whole house and cleared it out by, you know, you take authority over your home.
00:43:47.960And you cast demons out because we have authority to step over them and, you know, cast them out in Jesus name.
00:43:56.760Now, what did you, the chat is going crazy with what you just went, you went to somebody's house and you started casting a demon out of someone else's house without their consent?
00:44:37.480I had a very similar situation, though.
00:44:40.220Um, I'm not going to hash out the whole story, but when I moved into a new house, I went through some strange stuff for a while until I realized, like, I am the new owner of this home.
00:44:49.740And I have to take authority over it and tell these things to leave in the name of Christ, because they have no authority here.
00:45:03.940You said something that, that prompted a question in my mind here.
00:45:07.100You're talking about how somebody from your coven is now a Christian.
00:45:13.400And I wonder, um, if we could talk a little bit about that, your, your coven, you know, the people that you met actually met up with in real life.
00:46:18.460We're in one, we're one with mother nature and all of that stuff.
00:46:23.560And, um, so, and we did a lot of, it was mostly like studying and like palm reading and, you know, all the cheesy, typical, like new age, occult.
00:46:36.560No, we never did a Ouija board, but we did do tarot cards.
00:46:39.740We did do the tarot cards and we all, we believed in reincarnation.
00:46:44.700Um, and like, I believed I had committed suicide in a previous life and I had a lot of suicidal, uh, predications and I, um, yeah, I struggled with self-harm and, um, so did, so did my friends in the coven.
00:47:02.040And, um, which we didn't know that until later on in life when we like talked about it with one another, like we all were experiencing self-harm.
00:47:10.960Um, and yeah, so, I mean, so she became a Christian first and she admitted to me that she was a conservative.
00:47:22.100And I was still, you know, up to my eyeballs and the occult and was like shocked because I had blue hair and facial piercings.
00:47:34.620And I could not believe that my best friend was a conservative.
00:47:39.000And then when she became a Christian, I was like, what, who are you?
00:47:47.100Um, but because of our history, I did not like flip out at her, but I, I think that that is like, was a seed that helped to lead me out of, um, that path too.
00:47:59.420So what was her experience that drove her?
00:48:03.580Cause I imagine she had to explain this to you.
00:48:06.260Um, so what had her back away and become, you know, a conservative and a Christian?
00:48:10.620Um, I'm not sure about the conservative part, but, uh, her mother was diagnosed with cancer and, um, she began going to church.
00:48:22.600The mother began going to church and, um, she survived the cancer and, um, my friend had done all of this praying.
00:48:35.060And, um, um, I think she saw, uh, I forget the specifics, but she saw some sort of like confirmation from God that he was real and present and that her mother was going to be healed.
00:48:51.080So I'm not, I, she needs to get up on the internet and share her testimony.
00:48:56.240So when she watches this, like you need to get on and share testimony.
00:49:00.100So, yeah, we'd be very interested in, in talking to her, um, oftentimes it's a personal experience that causes somebody to, to pivot in that way.
00:49:08.920And, you know, based off of what you're describing here, that fits that bill.
00:49:11.980When you were immersed in this and you were convinced that there were spiritual entities and various ways that you could affect things on the spiritual realm.
00:49:22.440Did you have an outlook of good and evil or were these things not so cut and dry in your mind and there was no greater good and greater evil?
00:49:44.740So, like, even, uh, in terms of like the Holocaust, like I felt like, well, these people, we don't know, like these people's like lived experience and how, um, we don't know what like drove them.
00:49:58.120Anyway, it was not real, but I thought everything was gray.
00:50:03.980So I didn't believe in all or anything.
00:50:06.340So, yeah, as I feel like I turned this corner one day in my perception of the world where I very much thought that there was a much greater gray area, um, in all matters.
00:50:22.480And as I got older, I realized that that gray area is a place that you can get stuck in and become indecisive and a bit of a fence sitter.
00:50:33.320And in all matters, cultural, political, and, uh, spiritual, I think the middle is almost just as bad as the bad side.
00:50:46.840So we're, we're, we're perceiving everything as mostly gray and there is no greater good or evil.
00:50:51.420Um, there is in fact a greater good and evil and you're either on the side of good or really it's just all the bad side because these entities.
00:51:03.320If they can't get you to adhere to them, they just certainly don't want you to adhere to God.
00:51:09.540So they'll take even sitting in the middle.
00:51:51.600Like in the Bible, it says that he, if you're not hot or cold, like if you're lukewarm, he's going to spit you out.
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00:53:23.420And what's interesting is there's almost a feeling of altruism where, or at least like somehow immersing yourself in the nuance is somehow seen as a good thing.
00:53:40.460And I do think there is something to be said about somebody who can see that there are finer details to a topic.
00:53:47.520But I think what is significantly greater is someone who is able to galvanize themselves.
00:53:57.900I mean, shit, almost even to one side or the other.
00:54:01.080I said it yesterday when it was like we were talking about softer versions of Satanism.
00:54:06.600And there are those who are doing it as a LARP and an affront to Christianity and affront to conservatism and things like that.
00:54:13.380And they don't really believe in this on a spiritual level.
00:54:15.460And I do think that that is almost worse than somebody who is convicted and says these entities are real and I seek to serve them.
00:54:22.960Obviously, that's terrible, but there is something bad about a lack of conviction and then also to dedicate yourself to something that you don't even believe is real.
00:54:36.160Dedicating a disproportionate amount of time to an act or a joke or sticking your nose up at another organization instead of pursuing something that you're passionate about is wild.
00:54:47.880I wanted to get back to this bird monster.
00:54:54.100We've kind of danced around this idea that this is likely Lilith because Lilith is described as the night monster.
00:55:09.940Um, so I, like I said, I had those reoccurring dreams and then I didn't see, I had a fear of birds for like this, this random fear of birds for years.
00:55:24.800And, um, I don't know, I guess when I became a Christian, like that went away, but I didn't recognize it until recently.
00:55:31.240And I, the, yeah, I've only seen it a few times.
00:55:36.360And then, like I said, the dream that was a bird woman, like she had a female face and then there were like these feathers and like, like bird claws and like, but yeah.
00:55:49.300So, I mean, I didn't see, there were like owls and things that would like, like hang around my house and like scream, like scream, like screech owls.
00:56:00.800And, um, I'm sure you've come across it in your research that these things are correlated.
00:56:06.420And, uh, yeah, so I haven't, but ever since like that dream where like my son like stuck his head in, I have not had any more, um, like encounters with, with her or it or whatever.
00:56:22.420Um, and I don't have a fear of birds anymore.
00:56:24.640So I don't know if like God delivered me at that point.
00:56:27.200I was an early Christian when I first became a Christian.
00:56:30.980I still had a ton of new age beliefs and like, you know, I believed in like Christ consciousness and all of that stuff.
00:56:59.400Yeah, because, uh, you know what it's like, it's like, if you're in sleep paralysis, the, the feeling of dread and, and, uh, despair is so intense and to be, uh, it very much feels like you're rescued from that when somebody wakes you up.
00:57:13.540So you're like screaming for somebody to come and wake you up.
00:57:19.700And so I, I always got the feeling that, um, you know, there's, there's more than one reason why God will send a person to you.
00:57:27.920But when, when people that are so close to you also have that sort of a function, you know, who's closer to you than your son and then add another layer on it.
00:57:36.800He has the ability to pop his glowing head into your dream realm and cast out Lilith or whatever, you know, that's pretty, that's pretty handy.
00:57:45.300Um, my, so just thinking about that, um, when, whenever there's like a spirit that is trying to attach to me, I'll get, I'll hear a ringing, like a super loud, like a ring, like sort of like tinnitus, but it's like, it's a short time.
00:58:05.660Um, you know, so the first time it happened to me was when I prayed over that girl's house without her permission, I like heard that ringing.
00:58:13.700And then later on that night, I, I thought that something was going to happen.
00:58:18.220Um, the first time that happened, like when I prayed and later on that night, my son, the one with the dreams, um, I have three children.
00:58:26.180So the one with the dreams had, um, some, he was, I was standing in my bedroom and he was in the living room and he started yelling like, who's there, who's there.
00:58:36.860So I, I came running in and he said that somebody had clapped right in front of his face.
00:58:42.880And then he was like, is it possible for angels to be evil is what he said to me.
00:58:47.600And I was like, Oh, uh, upsetting question.
00:58:51.780Actually, actually, yeah, that's how Genesis six.
00:58:55.520That's a very unsettling question though.
00:58:57.720I had never brought that up to him before he came to that conclusion on his own.
00:59:01.360Um, but I, I say that the ringing, uh, for me was like, Oh, maybe that means that there's a spirit trying to attach to me.
00:59:12.480Um, so I've had it happen numerous times since then.
00:59:15.580And the night when the spirit attached to my son and was like in him and like torturing him, um, I heard it then too.
00:59:23.440Well, my husband, uh, is a Freemason and I have been praying for discernment, like for God to give my husband discernment, help him to, if the root of Freemasonry is evil, help him to see it because as his wife, it's, I can't say like, you're not allowed to do this.
01:01:49.020And when it does happen to me, I feel the overwhelming urge that I should be paying attention to something specific at that moment.
01:01:58.420Although I never can lock into whatever it is.
01:02:01.020Um, and I just wonder if there's a, there's a significance to that because there are certain things that happen in the human experience that everybody experiences, but we give very little credence to.
01:02:11.720For example, um, deja vu is a, is a fascinating one in the sense that everybody experiences it, but there's simply nothing to be said about it.
01:02:19.860And what's even more wild is you can kind of call it like a feeling or a sensation.
01:02:25.520People have sensations that everybody understands.
01:04:46.480So I don't doubt that that happens with the spiritual realm, but I was, I was getting at the, we should all drink because I thought you were going to Jerry Marzinski with, with the noise.
01:04:55.280Um, licensed psychotherapist in the field for 35 years, yada, yada, yada.
01:04:58.680We tell this story a thousand times, but, uh, one of his stories where he's sitting at his desk and he's talking to a patient and, uh,
01:05:05.340he hears a crackling noise that travels across his, his wall behind his head and into a garbage can.
01:05:11.980And, uh, it turns out that that crackling noise wasn't some kind of entity that was talking to his patient, telling him to kill him right then and there.
01:05:22.440He perceived it as like a free, as like a TV static, which actually goes back to your TV static, man.
01:05:28.580It's like a, like this crackling TV static noise that's traveling across, across the wall.
01:05:33.120So these things are here, but we're perceiving them, uh, as frequency or vibration, which is right.
01:05:41.980And the same thing will happen in sleep paralysis associated with the phenomenon.
01:05:47.120There is this, everybody drink, um, associated with this phenomenon of sleep paralysis is this intense.
01:05:55.560Um, some people will describe it as a, a vibration.
01:05:58.600It's like a buzzing, I've, I've felt it as, um, what felt like I've never been tasered, but it seemed like a taser almost like I had been electrocuted.
01:06:11.420There was current running through my body.
01:06:13.620It was so powerful that it was audible, but also, um, I could feel it in my bones.
01:06:18.940So I didn't even have to hear it because I think if something, you know, they have those headphones, you could put them on.
01:06:25.180They rest on your skull and you could still hear clear as day, even though this is resonating through your skull instead of through your eardrums.
01:06:31.960Um, yeah, I think that I wouldn't even, if I had to audibly heard it, I still would have gotten that sensation either way, because it just felt like I was being electrocuted.
01:06:41.800So my body stiffens up and the emotion, by the way, that's associated with this type of frequency is dread.
01:06:52.560And when I say that, I mean, I know this is old hat sleep paralysis, which is almost, I feel bad in this realm that we're in where we're discussing conspiracy and spirituality.
01:07:02.660We just, nobody wants to hear about sleep paralysis anymore.
01:08:07.020And like, I used to astral project and, um, you sort of use sleep paralysis and like that
01:08:14.160state to, uh, it's like you're, you're switching channels.
01:08:18.340So you have to like, um, sort of ride the wave, like, uh, as like your frequencies change, uh, with like the buzzing, you can like send yourself out of your body.
01:08:30.540Um, so it is, it's literally like that on a smaller scale.
01:08:35.360That is, I think, wow, that's profound.
01:08:39.120Cause we're going into something that is endlessly fascinating to both top.
01:08:42.540And I, I think we don't talk about it, but I do believe every time somebody mentions astral projection, me and top, we both kind of like go on.
01:09:04.220So as a kid, I, when a trick that I would have, when I was falling asleep, I would know that I was almost asleep because I could see through my eyelids.
01:09:15.100And I was like, okay, I'm almost asleep because I can see through my eyelids.
01:09:18.300And then as an adult, I, um, heard about astral projection and I was like, that's stupid.
01:09:26.580And then I heard, I read on the CIA website, project, project Stargate and how the CIA has confirmed that essentially astral projection is a real phenomenon.
01:09:40.860And so I was like, okay, I'm going to try this.
01:09:43.340So I started reading about people's experiences and how seeing through your eyelids is one of the ways, you know, like you've done it or one of the ways, you know, like, um, it can seem like you're, cause you are awake, but it's also not reality.
01:10:04.940So sometimes you can think, am I dreaming?
01:10:09.800Like, especially if you don't know about astral projection, um, like, have you ever, uh, had an alarm go off?
01:10:16.860Like when, like when you were a kid and you would get up and get ready and then you would wake up again and you would realize you'd never know anything.
01:10:43.280Um, so I, so I, I forget exactly how I discovered about it, but I learned how to do it.
01:10:51.500Uh, there's many different methods you can use, but the one I would use was, um, intentionally triggering sleep paralysis and then, um, using the vibrations to, uh, essentially like eject yourself, like into the spirit realm or the astral realm.
01:11:11.420Um, when you say that you can see through your eyelids, you're seeing your room still, right?
01:11:16.700Like, in other words, you're drifting off to sleep, but suddenly you're able to see your room again.
01:11:22.000But then the vibrations are, the vibrations you're describing are like when you're, cause when I have sleep paralysis, it feels like, uh, like I am being like, just like violent.
01:11:48.860Um, so your brain, your brain waves shift when you, uh, enter into sleep mode, when your body goes into sleep, your brain waves become larger and deeper.
01:11:59.580And you are a, your brain is always sending out waves, but we can't feel them because they're so, uh, like high pitched so fast.
01:12:08.620Like, it's just, we don't, we don't perceive it, but in sleep paralysis, you're feeling your brain waves.
01:12:13.660And they're, uh, they go throughout, like you said, there's a whole, uh, field around you full of waves that you are emitting.
01:12:23.840And, um, so with sleep paralysis, you're feeling your sleep cycle brain waves.
01:13:06.900I tell you guys all the time when, uh, like I'll, I'll watch the Yankee game, watching Michael K sitting in my uncle's living room, same sort of thing.
01:13:14.960I suppose it's like a paralysis, like a, because it's like, it's an uncomfortable, there's an uncomfortable like feeling.