Nephilim Death Squad - 085： The Enigma of the Little Season： History, Faith, and Deception w⧸ JTFollowsJC

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00:02:00.140 We're going to be starting up with JT.

00:02:02.360 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:02:08.320 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:02:14.660 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:02:23.100 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely insane.

00:02:28.960 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:02:30.180 There's some Nephilim shit.

00:02:31.360 It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave.

00:02:36.900 These motherfuckers, they're controlling this now.

00:02:39.200 I know we're talking about how they learn.

00:02:40.780 It's hard to be slaves.

00:02:42.320 And everybody's just walking around.

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00:02:50.360 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:52.100 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:53.560 Only some are aware that the government releases...

00:02:55.900 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:03:01.740 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:03:05.220 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:03:08.380 And today, we are running it back for what I believe is the third time.

00:03:12.740 Very excited to reintroduce to the audience, JT Follows JC.

00:03:18.440 If you could, JT, let everybody know what it is that you focus on and where they can find your work.

00:03:24.040 Yeah, I mean, I focus on, obviously, you know, by my name, JT Follows JC.

00:03:30.660 Jesus Christ is who I follow.

00:03:32.560 And so, obviously, I follow the truth, wherever that leads.

00:03:35.720 And I'm a bit ADD, so I go down lots of rabbit holes.

00:03:40.220 So, I've talked about everything, you know, from, like, Disney, Hollywood or evil, Nephilim stuff.

00:03:47.360 Obviously, like, you guys like Ancient Angels.

00:03:50.460 And now, my focus has kind of been on the little season and a little bit of everything.

00:03:55.300 So, Old World, Tartaria, Mud Flood, that kind of stuff.

00:04:00.420 Awesome, awesome.

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00:04:24.960 Yes.

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00:04:46.960 I like 1,800 followers on here.

00:04:48.600 How dare you?

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00:05:04.360 This is a really important episode because the little season theory, I guess is what we're calling it, has quickly rose to popularity.

00:05:14.780 And the reason that it's become such a popular theory is because there's so much that supports it.

00:05:19.560 And we did an episode with you and Paul Stobbs of Understanding Conspiracy not a long ago.

00:05:25.840 And it was a tremendous episode.

00:05:27.200 The feedback that we got was incredible.

00:05:28.340 And it was really one of the more fascinating topics that we've explored on this show.

00:05:31.620 Later on, we had on Ed Mabry, who is a wonderful friend of the show and comes on practically every Friday to do a Exploring the Book of Revelation series with us.

00:05:41.460 But he caught wind of the little season theory, and it didn't jive with him, and so he wanted to give some pushback.

00:05:48.180 And let me tell you the kind of shitstorm that that stirred up once we did that.

00:05:54.660 It turns out people are really passionate about this theory, and I can understand why, because the implications are pretty important.

00:06:03.380 If it is true, it's a very high-level deception that we're being subjected to, and so there's a lot riding on it, whether or not it's true.

00:06:11.700 And just recently, I suppose everybody on Twitter discovered that Top and I are actually Freemasonic shills who are seeking to subvert the community at large.

00:06:22.980 And one of the reasons is because we did a pushback episode on the little season, and we were told that we would get a pass from the public,

00:06:30.600 and we would stop being labeled Freemasonic shills if we had you back.

00:06:34.840 So this is actually something that we were forced to do, and it's nice that there's a monetary exchange on the end of it at that $5 per Twitter follower, because it really does hurt.

00:06:43.880 But one of the things about this theory, and it really speaks to why it's so compelling to people, is there is—honestly, there's a lot.

00:06:53.820 There's a lot of stuff that connects to this much bigger idea that we're being deceived about our place in the biblical timeline.

00:07:03.260 And so what I had hoped to do here today was kind of explore some of the more compelling ideas,

00:07:10.060 because although we've done one episode, and then we did a pushback episode, that does not do the topic justice.

00:07:16.220 And to your credit, you have been exploring this with people like Paul Stobbs of Understanding Conspiracy for a long time now.

00:07:22.940 You've been doing a lot of content on it, and it's because there is a lot to chew on.

00:07:26.820 So JT, if you would—and we have some questions, but I just want to kind of get the conversation warmed up.

00:07:32.840 Let's start with just the 1,000-foot overview.

00:07:35.980 What is the little season, for those who may not understand?

00:07:39.440 Well, see, I think the reason probably you probably guys got so much pushback is the fact that, like,

00:07:45.240 why are you trying to, like, make one episode to debunk it?

00:07:48.420 It's like, this is a really big topic.

00:07:51.280 And when I try to explain it to people, it takes a long time.

00:07:55.640 And I've had a lot of people reach out to me recently saying,

00:07:58.580 hey, I want an introduction to the little season.

00:08:00.400 And, like, in my brain, there's so much information to put into something like that,

00:08:05.460 it's very hard to condense it into a short amount of time.

00:08:08.420 So, yeah, so no defense to Ed.

00:08:11.020 Like I said, I was once where he was, looking forward to all these things.

00:08:15.400 I think that's the thing.

00:08:16.600 It's like, I remember when I was first making content and realizing, well, Jesus says,

00:08:24.680 directly after the tribulation these days, this happens.

00:08:27.880 It's like, so he's coming back after the tribulation these days.

00:08:30.580 So then you have these pre-trib rapture people.

00:08:33.300 And I'm like, you know, there's nothing in scripture that says the rapture is going to be for all the bad stuff.

00:08:37.980 And, but you could see how somebody could believe that without doing any research.

00:08:44.160 Now, the opposite of that would be believing this has already happened.

00:08:49.100 And then we're in this very obscure part of the Bible that says, hey, then the devil deceives the whole nation,

00:08:55.660 all the nations again.

00:08:56.900 Like, it takes a lot to get to that.

00:09:00.580 Nobody starts off believing that.

00:09:02.160 So understanding that very smart people, not, I'm not including myself in this.

00:09:09.340 A lot of people who've studied a lot had to basically go from here to there.

00:09:16.160 And so like, we didn't go.

00:09:18.740 It's not like a, it's not an itching ear doctrine, like the, like the preacher rapture, right?

00:09:24.220 Like everyone would want to believe that, hey, you get to live your, live your best life right now.

00:09:30.000 And then one day Jesus is going to take you out before anything bad ever happens.

00:09:34.060 Right.

00:09:34.700 This is like, I don't really know what's next exactly.

00:09:37.880 I mean, we think about Gog, Magog and this other battle, but we really don't like know.

00:09:42.640 Like, do you really want to live in the time where everyone's being tricked?

00:09:47.740 No, I don't.

00:09:48.820 I don't think that's a comfortable time.

00:09:50.140 So yeah.

00:09:50.440 So obviously where we get this doctrine from or this idea from is from Revelation chapter 20.

00:09:58.500 It mentions like right at the end of Revelation 19, there's the battle of Armageddon.

00:10:03.740 Jesus has returned.

00:10:05.560 The beast and the false prophet go into the lake of fire.

00:10:08.660 And then starting off Revelation chapter 20, this is when the millennial reign starts.

00:10:15.020 So the, the saints in Christ are resurrected and they reign with Jesus for a thousand years.

00:10:21.580 At the start of that, the devil goes into the pit, the bottomless pit, I guess where Apollyon was before.

00:10:26.980 And so he's not allowed to deceive the nations anymore.

00:10:31.200 And then it's like, it's, it's a very curious part in the Bible.

00:10:33.440 Like why, like you do have to like wonder.

00:10:35.740 I said, I used to, when I read that passage back in the day, I'm like, why does not God not just throw him in the lake of fire too?

00:10:42.760 Why would he allow the devil to deceive everyone again?

00:10:45.380 And more importantly, how would he possibly deceive everyone when we're taught about the millennial kingdom being in a very certain way?

00:10:53.580 Oh, well, it's, it's going to be an earthly kingdom, just like we would all be able to recognize.

00:10:58.240 Well, how would he trick people?

00:10:59.680 Because like if Jesus is on the throne right over there, how's the devil going to deceive everyone?

00:11:03.520 Right, right.

00:11:05.540 So like you have to wrestle with that idea.

00:11:07.820 And it's like, so if, if the nations are deceived after the millennial kingdom, well, with humility, you'd say, obviously our adversary is more than capable of deceiving everyone.

00:11:20.140 And so how would he do it?

00:11:22.400 And I think that that's kind of like the point where you're like, I mean, you're going down the rabbit hole and you're exploring all the lies you've been told.

00:11:29.160 And you like, there's no end to it.

00:11:31.240 I mean, it really is.

00:11:32.040 Like I, I, I'm blown away by the things I believe, the people I believed.

00:11:37.480 And then you look into it and you're like, man, it, this is like, this is literally like pulling the thread on the sweater and it's endless.

00:11:44.420 And it's like, where is the bottom?

00:11:47.060 So what is your understanding of, of, uh, this thousand year reign?

00:11:50.680 Like how will, how do you think people will exist and how do you think Jesus will reign?

00:11:56.240 Well, no.

00:11:56.580 So, I mean, so basically what I started to understand, like that people have said, oh, when Jesus comes back, you know, they, people even talk about like a multiple coming back.

00:12:07.280 Like, well, he, he comes back to rapture the church, but then he comes down to earth and there's these different types.

00:12:12.820 But if you actually read into revelation chapter 19, where he comes back on the horse, it never mentions him touching down on earth.

00:12:19.560 It just mentions him coming back on the clouds.

00:12:21.800 And then even in revelation 20, it doesn't mention him being on earth.

00:12:25.760 It doesn't mention to revelation 21, where they're talking about new Jerusalem.

00:12:29.740 It's saying like that where the people are is that God is reigning where the people are.

00:12:35.960 So to me, it's like, if you think back and actually now you go back and revisit the things that Jesus actually said.

00:12:41.900 Like in the book of Matthew, every time he refers to the kingdom is the kingdom of heaven.

00:12:48.060 In Luke chapter 17, the Pharisees ask him about the kingdom and he's, he tells them straight, like straight up.

00:12:55.400 The kingdom is not coming in ways that can be observed.

00:12:59.300 He's saying the kingdom is in the midst of you.

00:13:02.060 So he's talking about himself.

00:13:03.740 So if you think about it, like, like, so how would God establish a kingdom that would never fade away?

00:13:10.240 Well, the kingdom is in heaven.

00:13:12.140 It's eternal kingdom where he sits at the right hand of the father and we all have access to heaven.

00:13:18.000 And when we have the Holy Spirit, we are connected to the kingdom of heaven.

00:13:23.000 But we cannot enter that kingdom, but with this, with flesh and blood, even Paul says this corruption will not inherit the kingdom of God.

00:13:32.460 You have to put on the incorruptible.

00:13:34.920 So then you have to be resurrected in order to go into this heavenly kingdom.

00:13:38.580 So in the book of Galatians, Paul talks about the Jerusalem that's above in the book of Hebrews.

00:13:45.460 It mentions the heavenly Jerusalem and Hebrews 12 and obviously Revelation chapter 21.

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00:14:18.720 Jerusalem coming down.

00:14:22.020 Even I think Revelation, maybe chapter 2, it mentions again that one of the promises of the church is that there's the Jerusalem that comes down.

00:14:28.520 It's a heavenly Jerusalem.

00:14:31.220 And so if you think about it in that way, even in the book of Daniel, it says that the wise are going to shine like the stars.

00:14:36.580 So when people say when heaven just gained an angel, everyone's like, oh, people don't become angels, but they become like angels in the resurrection.

00:14:47.500 That's why Jesus said, we're like, who are we going to be married to?

00:14:51.380 No, we won't be married because we'll be like angels.

00:14:53.720 So in the same way that if you think about that whole, was it Deuteronomy 32 worldview, that the sons of God are the ones who ruled over these nations.

00:15:05.600 God gave them over to the sons of God.

00:15:07.700 Well, in the same way, I believe that the saints, the resurrected saints will have dominion over the nations with Jesus himself, the king.

00:15:16.420 And they'll be ruling in the same way that they did.

00:15:18.600 Yeah, and I think that that rule will be particularly brutal for people who are not obeying the law.

00:15:28.700 Well, if you think about it in the same kind of way that, like, let's just say, before we get into, like, how twisted history is, just think about, like, the way people talk about the patriarchy, right?

00:15:40.460 That, oh, what we did to the indigenous and all this stuff like that, all of the people from Europe that came over with crosses on their sails,

00:15:47.220 whether they were Templars, crosses, or whatever, the millennial reign was said to be ruled with a rod of iron.

00:15:53.600 So if God has used foreign nations to judge other nations all the time, well, what if they were going over in the name of Jesus?

00:16:04.400 Whether they were doing it the right way or not, God used Christian nations to go judge pagan nations in the Americas.

00:16:11.560 And people would say, well, that was mean.

00:16:14.360 Well, that was mean what they did.

00:16:16.140 These people were sacrificing people to demons, to devils.

00:16:21.720 So, like, is that the way that God would have ruled the millennial kingdom with a rod of iron?

00:16:27.100 It's the way God ruled in the Old Testament, right?

00:16:29.280 Well, right.

00:16:29.700 Well, you know what I'm saying?

00:16:30.400 Like, so that ultimately that there was a time where God only had a fraction of the nations, right?

00:16:38.740 He only had, like, this one little sliver that was promised through Abraham.

00:16:43.480 And so the devil had dominion, and he was ruling over these, probably the other angels.

00:16:49.760 And he was, you know, he was obviously the kind of like the puppet master of all these other places.

00:16:54.300 And so he was deceiving everyone.

00:16:57.880 But one day he was put in a pit.

00:17:00.940 And then one day all the world acknowledged that Jesus was Lord.

00:17:05.400 So if the kingdom was a spiritual kingdom that we all have access to if we believe in Jesus, well, then that happened.

00:17:14.880 You know, and I think we take for granted that that happened, even without going to all the conspiracies and all the other things.

00:17:21.560 We live under a calendar that says, Anno Domini.

00:17:25.960 Anno Domini says the year of our Lord.

00:17:27.780 So if you read your Bible, in the book of Acts, in the book of Revelation, Christianity was this small little sect.

00:17:35.560 And somehow it dominated the whole world.

00:17:38.740 And we just all sit here like, well, I wonder when God's going to establish his kingdom with billions of Christians.

00:17:45.160 I mean, if you believe the population numbers, but it's like, so that happened.

00:17:48.600 And now people are denying that these things ever happened and we're going backwards.

00:17:52.440 But there was a time where obviously everyone moved forward to believe in God, believe Jesus was Lord, and now everything's going backwards.

00:18:00.780 And the real question is why?

00:18:02.940 What if it's because the devil has been let out of the pit?

00:18:07.020 There's a denial of God altogether.

00:18:10.140 Denial of Jesus.

00:18:11.080 He's the only one you can say bad words about in today's cultures.

00:18:14.380 You know, but the funny part about the other gods, they're spoken about as their myths, that they never even really existed.

00:18:23.340 It's almost like that when paganism was outlawed, it was because there was a king on the throne.

00:18:30.320 There was one real God.

00:18:31.860 And now people are saying like, well, he's not even real.

00:18:35.380 You know, evolution's real.

00:18:36.860 We go around the sun, you know, the earth spins around the sun at like 66,000 miles an hour.

00:18:41.640 All the things, it's like, what if that is the devil deceiving everyone?

00:18:48.420 Do you think if we, so this is a question I've never really thought of.

00:18:51.760 If we are indeed in the little season, then do you think that it's just, the correct name would be, I guess, Lucifer, the devil, him.

00:19:00.100 It's just him that is running around, whereas the other fallen have already been locked up or cast into the pit.

00:19:09.100 Because it's my assumption that these guys operate in localities.

00:19:15.160 And I'm pretty sure that like the locality that is America or North America is operating under the oversight of Moloch.

00:19:24.880 It has all of the same, what we're doing now has all of the same tendencies of what Moloch would require.

00:19:30.960 No, that's a great question.

00:19:34.560 It's a question I've wondered because all we really know in the book of Revelation is that the devil is placed in the pit.

00:19:43.220 And I've wondered that is, does that mean the demons would have been put in there too?

00:19:47.780 Does that mean all the evil spirits would have been put in there?

00:19:49.860 But it doesn't really say, you know, it does say that the Jesus said, again, you think about like when he tells the apostles that, you know, the kingdom of God is here where you can cast out demons by the finger of God.

00:20:03.100 So they have to submit to you because Jesus is on the throne.

00:20:06.600 But so maybe that does mean that they're not bound.

00:20:11.720 Maybe it does mean that the devil, because he's the only one who's mentioned specifically that he goes into the pit and we have dominion over them because of the authority of Jesus.

00:20:22.080 But, yeah, I mean, I think that I think that's the interesting part about this is that if there was a time where Zeus was God, he was the head of all the gods or, you know, like depending on which, you know, version of paganism you celebrated, he was the ultimate God.

00:20:39.020 But now all the other gods, him and himself is like, he doesn't, he never really existed.

00:20:44.960 All these other gods never really existed.

00:20:47.240 And maybe they don't exist anymore because maybe those people, maybe those other gods that were judged, you know, like it's mentions like in the watchers that sinned against the women, they were being held in chains until judgment day.

00:20:59.740 Maybe during the battle of Armageddon, these, these other angels literally were thrown into like a fire and they're done.

00:21:06.000 But now the only way the devil can rule is through deception because he does not have, he doesn't, that's the only way.

00:21:16.260 It's like he's really not the god of this world anymore.

00:21:18.320 He's only the god through deception.

00:21:20.700 It's like, it's like that whole, you know, what is it?

00:21:23.080 Usual suspects meme.

00:21:24.700 The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

00:21:28.220 Yeah.

00:21:28.780 If he's really ruling, if he's really the god of this world, does he have to convince people he doesn't exist?

00:21:35.280 Hmm.

00:21:36.000 One of the things, not one of the things, JT, but so many of the things that make this a very compelling theory are the many deceptions which we're subjected to, especially here in the West, but obviously worldwide when it comes to an erasure of our history, obfuscation of our traditions and beliefs across the globe.

00:22:01.860 There are so many things that are unanswered that you could certainly say that we live in an age of deception and I don't think that anybody would push back on you for saying that, right?

00:22:13.000 Because in so many ways, as a people, we are deceived.

00:22:16.580 There are a lot of, I often, when you sift through conspiracies, you try not to get caught up in your own assessment of these things.

00:22:28.800 In other words, I try not to get to the point where I believe that I've got it figured out because I do feel internally that whatever this deception is that we're going through is so large that we're not going to catch it, or at least not all of us are going to catch it.

00:22:43.460 It's got to be sophisticated.

00:22:44.680 It's got to be something that goes above and beyond.

00:22:46.160 So every time I think I have it figured out, I realize internally that I'm missing the mark in one way or another and that it's actually a false trail that I'm going down.

00:22:55.940 When I had first heard of the little season, it resonated with me in such a way that I was like, oh my.

00:23:02.460 Because I recognized almost the brilliance of it.

00:23:05.120 Not to give the devil his due, but if that is really the nature of the deception that we're under, it's almost worthy of a round of applause.

00:23:14.880 It's so sophisticated.

00:23:16.280 It's so extensive.

00:23:17.640 It's a big deal.

00:23:18.820 But before, so before we do this, actually somebody, HRGM33.

00:23:23.620 He's the man.

00:23:24.800 Yeah, that's awesome, man.

00:23:26.360 Appreciate you, brother.

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00:23:39.960 One of the things that I do think about as well is the idea of the Nephilim.

00:23:46.640 So the Nephilim being like demons being disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

00:23:51.440 What happens to them after Armageddon?

00:23:55.460 Because they're swept up in this battle that happens.

00:23:58.380 And I assume that they're taken out.

00:23:59.780 Is there another breed of Nephilim that rise up to screw with this generation?

00:24:05.920 Because they're certainly there.

00:24:08.120 We've spoken with people who I believe are in contact with these entities.

00:24:13.000 And you hear story upon story about people that are in contact with these entities who are making deals with Baal.

00:24:19.600 With certain names like Anu.

00:24:23.040 And names that you would relate back to the fallen.

00:24:27.800 So I'm open that it could be a deception.

00:24:31.560 But I'm also thinking these guys might actually still be around.

00:24:34.740 There might be something here.

00:24:36.340 So that's some more evidence where I'm like, where do I put this?

00:24:40.400 Where do you put this?

00:24:41.100 Because it's actual tangible stuff.

00:24:43.640 I guess in the same way that if the devil is released from the bottomless pit, could more spirits be released with him?

00:24:50.540 Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:24:51.440 Like originally I thought maybe all the demons were put in the pit with him too.

00:24:57.000 But I don't really know that.

00:24:58.840 And the Bible doesn't really get into specifics about that.

00:25:01.280 It is interesting and I differ from some people who believe in the little season.

00:25:05.140 I think that's the thing.

00:25:05.820 It's like when you try to take on the whole little season thing, it's like there's a lot of people with a lot of different opinions about a lot of different things.

00:25:13.560 And so I've even tried to think about, I know Gog, Magog is mentioned, I think, in Ezekiel 38.

00:25:20.680 So it's mentioned in Revelation 20.

00:25:23.040 So that's what kind of concludes the little season is that the devil deceives the nations.

00:25:28.300 He gathers his army.

00:25:29.580 But it says the army is of the sands of the sea.

00:25:32.460 Okay, so obviously you really think about, if you're, if we're, I know it's prophetic, but it's, think of it in a literal way.

00:25:41.080 Like we're talking about a, an army that is obviously beyond the number of people on the earth.

00:25:48.300 So are we talking about more of a spiritual, are we talking about all the demons coming against the camp of the saints?

00:25:57.340 I think it could be a combination of real armies and literal demons coming against the camp of the saints because, yeah, that army is, is almost unfathomable.

00:26:09.520 I love to bring up the pop culture references.

00:26:12.720 Think about it like this.

00:26:14.220 I'm not sure where you guys are on the shape of the earth now.

00:26:17.260 I feel like you guys are just afraid to say you guys are flat earthers because.

00:26:20.860 Nah, dog, it's flat.

00:26:21.820 Space is.

00:26:22.400 Come on.

00:26:24.160 So think about the Game of Thrones.

00:26:27.060 You guys seen that, that show?

00:26:28.820 Mm-hmm.

00:26:30.060 Think about the Night King coming against the people.

00:26:33.440 You have an ice wall.

00:26:34.880 You have this zombie army coming to destroy all of humanity.

00:26:40.140 What if that is what they're showing you?

00:26:41.840 What if that is kind of what the, that's, that's that kind of the picture of that is like, you have zombie people, zombie giants.

00:26:48.820 You have a zombie dragon and they have one goal, but to wipe out all the people.

00:26:54.000 Well, I think that is what they're showing you.

00:26:57.120 So, I mean, the point is like that if somebody says they're contacted with, by Anu and different demon names or fallen angel names.

00:27:04.040 Well, could you trust those demons?

00:27:08.500 You know, like you didn't even think about like the whole thing is like the devils had, has many names.

00:27:13.300 Right.

00:27:14.080 You know, even like the idea of just Satan.

00:27:17.180 We know that Satan like means adversary.

00:27:19.640 Satan is not necessarily just the devil.

00:27:22.980 The Satan is the adversary of, of God.

00:27:26.240 Adversary of us is Satan.

00:27:28.920 So, yeah, like that if all these, if a third of the angels fell, which again, like the, the angels in the book of Revelation are counted as stars.

00:27:36.880 So, if you looked up in a, on a clear night anywhere in the world, it's like, and you saw all the stars, a third of those that fell.

00:27:45.540 That's a lot of them.

00:27:47.620 Right.

00:27:48.160 You know, so we really, we really have no idea how many names that these beings could have.

00:27:53.420 But I do believe that's exactly why, like, that even the book of Revelation talks about the seven headed dragon, that there's the hydra in the constellations.

00:28:02.820 So, Satan is composed of other beings.

00:28:07.360 You know, there's one, I believe there's one head devil.

00:28:11.020 There's one serpent.

00:28:12.580 There's one dragon.

00:28:14.000 But there is a, a formation of beings that is Satan.

00:28:18.660 Um, it, it, it ends up becoming, and I don't know if this is because it's probably a multifaceted thing in regards to our inability to secure a translation.

00:28:34.720 Um, you know, with these things, when they get passed down from, from Hebrew to Greek, I suppose maybe there's some of it that gets lost.

00:28:40.500 I know that, um, within, recently I saw something where the King James version does not have, when it talks about wrestling with powers and principalities, um, there are other versions that also seem to include some sentiments of struggling against, um, governmental powers as well.

00:28:59.280 And I don't know if that means earthly governmental powers or if this is a, you know, something that alludes to, like, a heavenly body of governmental powers.

00:29:05.160 But, uh, it's clear that there are all these different translations because they differ in such significant ways.

00:29:11.680 And it becomes very difficult to sift through and, and find clear answers.

00:29:18.620 If it wasn't, you know, we wouldn't be having these conversations.

00:29:22.000 But there are certain things, um, like, for example, and, and I'd like to get your thoughts on this and understand if you don't necessarily have anything specific on it.

00:29:30.540 But, um, this idea that the mountains would have had to have been leveled, right?

00:29:39.140 There's a biblical verse that talks about the leveling of mountains, uh, and the, the vanishing of islands.

00:29:44.460 And, uh, this is one of the things that Ed Mabry gave pushback about because he's, in his estimation, this would have been something that you would have clearly been able to see.

00:29:53.520 You'd be able to look out and see that there were no mountains and things of that nature.

00:29:57.020 Now, is this, uh, something that we're just misreading or misunderstanding?

00:30:02.520 Or do you have maybe a theory as to how that plays, uh, with the little season?

00:30:07.960 Well, I would, I would say that, um, let me see, uh, they're at a verse.

00:30:12.460 I can find this real quick.

00:30:14.700 Um, well, what I would say is that there's prophetic language that could be prophetic.

00:30:19.340 And it's kind of like that when it says that the islands are removed or the mountains are moved out of their places, the mountains are going to melt like wax.

00:30:27.080 Like there are certain prophecies in the old Testament where the day of the Lord is described exactly like that.

00:30:32.180 And we know it happens.

00:30:33.580 Like, so I always bring up, I think it's in Ezekiel chapter 30, that the day of the Lord is coming to Egypt and Nebuchadnezzar is going to be God's destroyer.

00:30:43.600 And it has all the kind of similar language, like all the bad things are going to happen to Egypt.

00:30:47.680 But he's like, he's literally saying a foreign army is coming there and he's going to carry out the day of the Lord.

00:30:52.980 So a lot of people have at least have been taught early way.

00:30:57.080 They think is like, there's only one day of the Lord.

00:30:59.900 There's not, I think that the day of the Lord is, is a, is saying it's, he's coming in judgment.

00:31:05.140 And, you know, it's like, okay, so I'm trying to find where exactly where I wish I would have bookmarked this.

00:31:12.360 But I think it was when John the Baptist comes, let me see, where is that?

00:31:19.020 It mentions like that he's, he's fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah, where he's, he's coming to make the way straight, where he's like saying, he's literally, he's going to fill in valleys and he's going to make mountains flat.

00:31:32.160 And it says, so he, he does that.

00:31:34.420 Okay.

00:31:34.820 So what do you have to take from that?

00:31:37.080 Do you think he literally did that or is that, is a, is that a, a prophetic symbolic thing he's doing when he comes?

00:31:43.400 Because that, those are the prophecies that Jesus literally says that the Pharisees or the apostles asked Jesus, hey, the Pharisees and the Sadducees say that Elijah needs to come before the day of the Lord happens.

00:31:57.400 And he says, Isaiah, or Elijah has come.

00:32:02.120 If you can accept it, he was John the Baptist.

00:32:04.360 And it's like, it's, he can, he's already kind of telling you like that.

00:32:07.160 It's not exactly how you think it's going to be.

00:32:08.900 So, so I think that in the way that a lot of people who are kind of saying, well, this did not happen.

00:32:15.320 So therefore this couldn't, this couldn't be, that is exactly why they missed Jesus in the first place.

00:32:21.520 Because they were saying like, even people were saying like, well, he's supposed to be from David's line, but he's from Nazareth, but he wasn't from Nazareth.

00:32:27.820 He was born in Bethlehem and he was from the line of David.

00:32:31.460 But they were saying what he's supposed to perceive it.

00:32:34.000 Right.

00:32:34.500 He was trying to like, he, they were trying to say, well, it's not like that.

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00:34:13.620 The Messiah is supposed to go sit on David's throne, and he's supposed to lift us out from this impression.

00:34:18.880 And then Jesus wasn't offering that, and they were like, well, he can't be the Messiah then.

00:34:23.380 Right? So they missed it because they were interpreting certain passages in the Old Testament.

00:34:29.600 And Jesus was literally saying, you think it's like that, but it's really not like that.

00:34:34.260 He was kind of correcting them all along the way because they thought everything was happening so specifically like they thought it.

00:34:41.860 With that being said, I said, this is a preview, and I think I'm going to do a podcast with Paul, and hopefully Alpha Talks on Friday.

00:34:49.780 I found an awesome researcher.

00:34:54.920 Unfortunately, he's passed away.

00:34:56.000 His name was Gunnar Nielsen.

00:34:57.660 He was a German author, and he did a lot of stuff about chronology.

00:35:06.520 Well, we did these podcasts recently, and we talked about 536.

00:35:10.920 536 A.D., many historians say it was the worst year of human existence.

00:35:17.360 There was 18 months of darkness.

00:35:19.260 It led to eventually a plague that wiped out.

00:35:23.480 Some people say there was like 100 million people worldwide at that time.

00:35:28.380 I'm sorry, what year was this, JT?

00:35:30.400 You can look this up.

00:35:32.240 536 A.D.

00:35:33.160 In 541, I believe, they talk about the Justinian plague or the bubonic plague, and that wiped

00:35:40.360 out 50 to 100 million people.

00:35:43.580 So during this time, there was famine.

00:35:45.680 There was war.

00:35:46.960 They even called it a little ice age during this time.

00:35:50.840 And so mainstream historians would try to say this had something to do with volcanoes or something

00:35:56.660 like that.

00:35:57.560 They really don't know.

00:35:58.320 The point is, the fascinating part to me was obviously the fact that a lot of these signs

00:36:05.000 were just absolutely insane.

00:36:07.060 But what was really crazy is that how little the details are about this time.

00:36:13.760 And I think the more I've researched things, like the first millennium is very murky.

00:36:20.920 Like there's a lot of things.

00:36:21.840 It's like, have you ever heard that thing when people say, well, some historians say the

00:36:25.900 Roman Empire fell here, but some people say here.

00:36:29.100 And when I heard, when the first time I heard that, they were like, they were debating whether

00:36:32.320 it was over hundreds of years.

00:36:35.120 I said, how could that be?

00:36:37.520 You know what I'm saying?

00:36:38.080 Like, how could they not know within hundreds of years?

00:36:40.880 I mean, if it's a couple of months, I could see that.

00:36:43.540 But hundreds of years.

00:36:44.460 So anyways, this researcher mentions there's three distinct collapses of European, Mesopotamian

00:36:54.600 society in this certain period, in the first millennium.

00:36:58.300 There's one in, I guess, early antiquity, mid-antiquity, and then late antiquity.

00:37:03.360 So basically the 200 to 300 range, basically the first to second century, first to third,

00:37:09.360 obviously 56, and then like eighth to tenth.

00:37:13.140 And there was these collapses of society.

00:37:15.100 And he was like, he was noticing how the map of where these breakdowns happened, they

00:37:21.900 were very specific, but it ended up being the whole, the whole world, but it was all separated.

00:37:28.660 And then, so he, what he said, it was, there's, there's 35,000 Roman sites, basically.

00:37:33.820 35,000, like, between like cities and like estates and all kinds of things.

00:37:40.740 And he was saying like, so stratigraphically, you know, be digging into the strata to find

00:37:45.820 older civilizations under it.

00:37:47.500 So it's like, if there was a wipeout in the early antiquity, you'd be able to, like, you'd

00:37:52.680 be able to dig down and see the different layers of when society degraded.

00:37:57.260 Think about like the mud flood.

00:37:58.300 Think about like the, a lot of Roman things are under the ground.

00:38:01.840 Right.

00:38:01.940 So what's under those Roman things?

00:38:04.180 Well, there should be things under it because the Roman empire lasted like a thousand years

00:38:08.240 and there's things, there's layers of it.

00:38:11.460 But here's the thing.

00:38:12.500 There's not layers.

00:38:13.900 There's only one.

00:38:15.220 There's only one layer.

00:38:16.740 And the, the, one of the most specific things that he said that kind of blew me away was

00:38:20.400 saying that here's a problem with Christianity.

00:38:22.940 And he wasn't throwing shade at it, but he's saying that the Christianity is the only religion

00:38:27.260 known to man that did not have temples, churches, or buildings for the first, the first 300 years

00:38:34.400 of his existence.

00:38:36.780 Okay.

00:38:37.340 They, so when they started building buildings to Christianity, they were done in the same

00:38:43.680 style as the pagan basilicas of the first century.

00:38:48.220 Hey.

00:38:48.660 And so they also have records of them building, or they, or the supposedly history has them

00:38:54.860 building them in the late antiquity.

00:38:56.880 And guess what style they built them in?

00:38:58.820 The style of the first century.

00:39:00.560 So he's saying stratigraphically, they're all in the same layer where they were literally

00:39:05.420 building their, their temples and their churches in that century.

00:39:09.980 So what he basically, his conclusion was that all those collapses all happened at the same

00:39:15.940 time during the first century.

00:39:18.140 And so he basically said, the only way this stuff makes sense is if you remove 700 years

00:39:23.180 from the first millennia.

00:39:24.800 Whoa.

00:39:26.100 Yeah.

00:39:26.660 So he was basically saying like that, and, and the craziest thing I was just like, the

00:39:31.560 way he was saying is like, there's a chronology that people have, have focused on, but there's

00:39:36.620 really not a lot holding it up.

00:39:38.240 And it's, it's kind of like what we say.

00:39:40.540 It's like that if you think about like fake news, but we trust history, like it's, like

00:39:45.980 it's gospel.

00:39:47.220 Right.

00:39:47.560 Right.

00:39:48.600 This is something that I've always, I've always had a problem with.

00:39:51.440 Um, let's, let's take a brief moment real quick.

00:39:54.400 I'd just like to let the audience know who's watching live that this was just a preview.

00:39:57.840 And if you want to continue watching along, uh, you could do so on patreon.com backslash

00:40:02.480 Nephilim death squad.

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00:40:07.100 Uh, so the stream is about to be ending for those of you viewing on YouTube and rumble.

00:40:12.220 Um, so JT, this, this is one of the things that people give major pushback on.

00:40:18.300 And I don't think it's something that people are aware of.

00:40:21.160 You made us aware of it when we talked with you and Paul, and it was honestly, uh, very

00:40:26.040 strange.

00:40:26.760 I mean, the idea that we would be missing time or that the timeline would be incorrect.

00:40:31.220 Um, I was open to it, but I had never seen any particular evidence to support it until

00:40:37.760 you and Paul came on.

00:40:39.060 And that was, uh, one of the things that, that Mabry, uh, gave some pushback against.

00:40:43.780 And I don't think it was necessarily something that he wouldn't be open to, but it's not

00:40:47.380 information that people are readily armed with.

00:40:49.540 This idea that there is, you know, periods of history where they're seemingly missing

00:40:54.280 time.

00:40:55.060 Um, the more we do research, the more I, I seriously doubt the, the nature of our timeline,

00:41:02.000 or at least, um, I mean, even what's the, the, the clock, I believe that the Ethiopians

00:41:07.100 are on.

00:41:07.780 It's, it's a completely different, uh, year.

00:41:10.560 I forget what it's called.

00:41:11.600 I don't know if anybody knows it off the top of their head, but.

00:41:14.260 Well, I know that we went to like the Gregorian calendar, but I think that that's sort of

00:41:17.960 interesting, of course, this is again, this is a preview of this.

00:41:20.220 I'm not exactly sure the, um, the full, how they view time, but yeah, but there is obviously

00:41:25.220 disputes about the timeline.

00:41:27.120 I mean, it's sort of funny just to think even the mainstream narrative is that there was,

00:41:32.040 it's funny.

00:41:32.640 I went to a, um, I went to Raleigh, North Carolina, and they had this tower, uh, and I

00:41:37.340 don't know if a lot of people know this is that, so Anno Domini is the year of our Lord.

00:41:41.800 So based on the current timeline we're on, it's the year 2024 Anno Domini.

00:41:48.280 So, but it was interesting.

00:41:50.080 So I went to this, um, they had this bell tower there and it had a Freemason symbol on

00:41:55.160 it and it said Anno Domini 921 or 1921.

00:42:00.160 And then it also said Anno Lumini and I think it was like five thousands and change.

00:42:05.460 I can't remember the exact year, but Anno Lumini would have been like the year of light.

00:42:09.160 So it'd be basically that when God said, let there be light, you're, you're counting up,

00:42:14.500 right?

00:42:14.780 So it's obviously in the five thousands.

00:42:17.580 So just think about that again.

00:42:20.060 Like I always say, like, I feel like this is a great evidence of, of like the acknowledgement

00:42:23.620 of Christ as Lord is that the one day they said, let's not count up anymore.

00:42:28.460 Let's just, we're trying to go back to when Jesus was here.

00:42:31.060 So the interesting part is like this guy Gunnar Nielsen, who's not, or Heinsohn, who was

00:42:35.660 not a Christian.

00:42:37.220 His conclusion was that up to 90% of the population of the world got wiped out.

00:42:43.280 And the only thing they really knew was that they were living after Christ.

00:42:47.600 So they basically took the book of revelation out and they said, well, gosh, this has happened.

00:42:54.840 And they looked at there's a thousand years.

00:42:56.940 So it must've been behind here.

00:42:59.080 And it wasn't, it was only a temp later that people started to try to fill in that history,

00:43:03.140 but they really didn't know because like the Roman, the Roman, like, I guess, libraries

00:43:09.420 and, and all their, whatever they would have wrote down was lost at some point.

00:43:15.360 Literally, I think there was a, there was a fire during the times of Marcus Aurelius

00:43:18.780 where all their, all their records of everything had basically been burned up.

00:43:24.500 So like, you're literally, you're literally talking about like a post-apocalyptic time

00:43:29.780 where people like, don't really even know what was before.

00:43:34.140 And then you think a generation after that, they wouldn't know anything.

00:43:37.680 That's, that's a, that's a, the second question that I had.

00:43:40.000 It's like, Jesus comes back, he rules for a thousand years.

00:43:44.140 And besides some Tartarian buildings, uh, we have no shred of evidence for anything he did here,

00:43:51.520 but we still have the Bible in its entirety, or at least like, you know, we have Dead Sea Scrolls,

00:43:55.860 we have things like that.

00:43:56.540 But that part is, uh, when we talk about the little season, it kind of eats it

00:44:01.540 because like not one thing about him, he, not one law he did, he made when he was here.

00:44:06.660 Like, well, like I said, you have, but you have like a more, a spiritual evidence.

00:44:11.480 Like I said, you think about like, again, if like the, that if the meek inherit the earth,

00:44:16.340 it was interesting that he was saying like that after that time, all these monasteries popped up

00:44:20.480 and they're basically the ones who basically revived society, monasteries, the, basically

00:44:26.500 the Christians welcomed in even the pagans in order to basically restart again.

00:44:32.020 But I mean, the evidence again is like that you go from like, like I said, just think about

00:44:36.380 the whole, the, the dichotomy where you have like Christianity, even Judaism, this small little

00:44:42.540 sect in this little part of the world.

00:44:44.700 You know, like Abraham's part is, it's not a worldwide thing.

00:44:48.220 It's a very regional thing.

00:44:49.640 And then Christianity starts to spread and the story ends in like abruptly in the book

00:44:55.540 of Acts, right?

00:44:57.220 In the, in the book of Revelation, you don't, you're not led to believe that like Christianity

00:45:01.760 is thriving all around the whole world.

00:45:04.040 It's, it's, it's seven churches in Asia that it's written to.

00:45:08.180 And then we wake up, we wake up one day and there's churches on every street corner and

00:45:14.160 we're like, well, that's interesting, but like, that's the way it's always been.

00:45:18.160 So we don't even think anything of it.

00:45:19.520 But now these churches are being more abandoned and they're like, they're being repurposed for

00:45:23.740 things.

00:45:24.380 Some people are even denying they were ever churches.

00:45:26.640 You know, to that point though, JT, when it comes to these, these churches, um, it just

00:45:31.180 so happens that they also are often, when you're talking about like Gothic cathedrals, the

00:45:35.460 architecture is such that I don't even think we can recreate this now.

00:45:39.460 You know, it's like one of those issues where we're like, we've lost the technology.

00:45:41.960 So I think that kind of speaks to your point a little bit where, um, these, these cathedrals

00:45:47.220 are, they're everywhere, especially in like New York city and stuff, right?

00:45:50.560 These big, uh, metropolitan areas.

00:45:52.540 They're really everywhere.

00:45:53.640 I mean, even like I said, I live in, um, Virginia and we're in, I'm really close to Norfolk,

00:45:58.220 Virginia.

00:45:59.340 And yeah, that's like, it's like, they're, we're told like the population were such in, you

00:46:04.420 know, like the early mid to 1800s or whatever, mid to late 1800s.

00:46:09.120 But there's like churches like right next to each other.

00:46:11.180 And they're like the same denomination.

00:46:13.380 Like, you know what I'm saying?

00:46:14.220 Like they built this very elaborate cathedral versus right next to like, you could throw

00:46:19.880 a rock and hit the other one.

00:46:21.820 And you can, you know, like the population, does the population support that?

00:46:25.900 Like they wouldn't just build a bigger church?

00:46:28.120 Well, the thing is too, you can say like, oh, well, you know, they're just churches and,

00:46:31.820 and sure, maybe they're grandiose, but that's just aesthetically.

00:46:35.420 And it's like, no, it's not, it's not just an aesthetic function, right?

00:46:37.960 These churches, they have like an acoustic function.

00:46:40.780 There's a, there's a resonance in a, in a frequency function to these Gothic cathedrals.

00:46:45.420 There's that famous story of a woman who, um, recorded the sound of an organ in a Gothic

00:46:52.180 cathedral.

00:46:52.640 She then played that recording onto a, uh, somatic, what is it called?

00:46:57.780 A cymatic.

00:46:58.460 Yeah, the cymatic plate, right?

00:47:00.540 And then all of a sudden what ends up happening is the salt on the cymatic plate organizes itself

00:47:04.380 into the shape of the windows of the cathedral, which like the implications of that, you know,

00:47:10.440 they're beyond me.

00:47:12.020 But clearly there's something directly related to the sound that is happening in that place

00:47:16.820 and the architecture that makes up that place is beyond our understanding.

00:47:20.960 So if someone came along one day and said definitively that these are relics of an empire that was

00:47:28.760 the millennial reign and that we don't even understand the technology and the, the, the,

00:47:34.660 the knowledge that went into building these, if they, if they said that to, I wouldn't even

00:47:38.020 be surprised.

00:47:38.820 I wouldn't even be surprised because it's, it escapes us as a culture to this day.

00:47:43.180 We live amongst them and we don't even realize their significance.

00:47:46.080 They're, they're something that I think if people really knew what they were, uh, we would

00:47:50.560 be, we would be blown away.

00:47:52.080 We'd be blown away.

00:47:52.840 And then we'd have to face the question of, well, who built them?

00:47:55.800 Because we look back at ancient man, he's got the cathedrals that supposedly existed what

00:48:00.500 during the dark ages, you know, when, when, when mankind was going through, uh, I think

00:48:05.500 they were built during the age of enlightenment after we came out of the dark ages or something

00:48:09.620 like that.

00:48:10.100 But it's like, we look at our ancestors as being lesser than certainly, right?

00:48:15.160 How do we deal then with the fact that these people who are lesser than us created something

00:48:18.800 that we don't even understand?

00:48:20.580 Well, right.

00:48:21.180 I think that that you can just chalk that up with like, cause I'm not one of these people

00:48:24.600 to say that, okay, so the, the Gothic and the, the grand buildings are evidence that,

00:48:30.820 that angels or saints came down and built them.

00:48:33.200 I don't, I'm not saying that.

00:48:34.320 Cause like, I don't know, I don't know that I have no evidence of that.

00:48:36.640 But what I am saying is like, that's evidence of a big lie because I think, again, we're

00:48:41.900 told like this progression of man, well, where does that fit in then?

00:48:45.700 If there was an advanced time that was recent, right?

00:48:48.420 Because we don't even know how they did it and we don't know why they did it.

00:48:51.060 Like people would say like that, here's a good example.

00:48:53.540 I was joking on one of my recent podcasts.

00:48:56.680 I was clowning on the Dwayne Wade statue, right?

00:49:00.820 Everybody, everybody, everybody points out the fact that, that, wow, look at these statues

00:49:05.620 during the supposed dark ages.

00:49:07.280 Aren't they amazing?

00:49:08.360 Like, how did they get like the cloths and stuff like that?

00:49:11.720 They look like they're folded, the muscles and like the nets and stuff like that.

00:49:15.300 That is, it's incredible.

00:49:17.600 And then you look at a statue of Dwayne Wade done recently.

00:49:22.360 It does not look like him.

00:49:24.260 It looks, it's not only did it not look like him, it's hideous.

00:49:28.280 It is hideous.

00:49:29.200 It's objectively.

00:49:29.780 It looks like a Nephilim.

00:49:32.620 Right.

00:49:32.980 It looks like a horror, it looks like, it looks like something from a horror movie.

00:49:36.600 And the fact that with all the technology, you think about like, I don't even know,

00:49:42.900 I don't even know how they even do it now, but you think like, oh, they could 3D print

00:49:46.060 something, right?

00:49:46.540 I mean, Dwayne Wade's right there.

00:49:47.760 He looks the same as he did when he played.

00:49:49.280 I mean, like you could make something look exactly like him, right?

00:49:52.540 But, but yeah, that's that.

00:49:54.380 And then, so during this time where you were, we were sort of taught like that, that man

00:50:00.160 is worried about the bare necessities, like staying warm, getting food.

00:50:04.580 It seems like there, there was a time of like luxury and they weren't punching time clocks.

00:50:11.200 They weren't, you know, like we're, we're too busy to do all kinds of things.

00:50:14.340 Like imagine if you had all day long, you know, 365 to make great things.

00:50:18.720 So if you don't have to worry about like, you know, many people believe like in the

00:50:22.900 times, like free energy.

00:50:24.520 Oh my God.

00:50:26.460 Imagine that that's part of your legacy.

00:50:28.820 It is horrifying.

00:50:29.840 I like Dwayne Wade when he was like, he was like, who's that?

00:50:33.380 And he was like, obviously saying like he was impressed, but it was like, yeah, like

00:50:36.300 who is that?

00:50:36.880 Like that's not, he was more just confused about who you just revealed to him.

00:50:40.120 That's not him.

00:50:41.000 So, so if some people will say, oh, well they had more time to do it then.

00:50:44.840 It's like, but doesn't that speak to a better time too?

00:50:48.260 Right.

00:50:48.580 Like if you had, if you, we're all, we all wish we had more time to do other things

00:50:53.020 besides try to chase money.

00:50:55.680 So if they had more time during that time, it must be because they had certain needs

00:51:00.060 met that did not necessitate them going and doing menial jobs all the time.

00:51:05.920 That's really important to emphasize because we, you know, we're here kind of going

00:51:10.320 through the evidence for this situation and you don't have to be a theologian to look

00:51:17.100 at that and go, you look at your everyday life, look at the nine to five that you're

00:51:21.220 working in the family that you're raising.

00:51:23.000 You know, if you look at the architecture of buildings nowadays, they're very utilitarian,

00:51:27.540 right?

00:51:27.780 These are things that are meant to be tossed up as quickly and inexpensively as possible

00:51:32.380 while still being, you know, hopefully able to withstand weather and things like that.

00:51:36.580 But you can see that everything has this, we've removed the beauty from things like art even,

00:51:43.660 but certainly architecture.

00:51:45.440 So how do a people who are struggling with the plague, who supposedly didn't live past

00:51:51.120 30 something years old, even though that's not really an accurate representation at all,

00:51:55.240 who's, who, who the, you know, the vast majority of children didn't make it.

00:51:59.480 They died, you know, uh, when they were still toddlers, how, how does it people like that

00:52:04.580 get to achieve, you know, levels of, of architecture and beauty that we, we don't even understand

00:52:11.340 how to pull off now.

00:52:12.300 I mean, just the, the, the drudgery of everyday life should leave you baffled about that.

00:52:17.780 I wouldn't have the time to do that myself.

00:52:19.480 So yeah, how are they, how are they, it doesn't make any sense on its face is there's a lot of

00:52:23.920 questions.

00:52:24.260 And so much of what we are looking into today as well, you know, even let's just say conspiracy

00:52:29.320 theorists, um, indicate that there was high, there was a likely chance that we were highly

00:52:36.040 advanced in the, in the past because so much of the megalithic structures that we see,

00:52:40.720 and I'm not saying this has anything to do with the little season in particular, but like

00:52:43.320 the, the megalithic structures that we see, we very often entertain that ancient man maybe

00:52:48.460 did have their wits about them.

00:52:50.620 Maybe did have access to technology that we don't understand.

00:52:53.200 And maybe did have a greater understanding of the realm that we inhabit.

00:52:56.220 Um, but that stops seemingly at megalithic structures.

00:53:00.340 And then when it comes to the, the beautiful architecture of, and I'm not saying just like

00:53:04.660 you said, I'm not saying that the saints came down and they built these things.

00:53:07.900 I'm saying the people that built them understood something far deeper than we understand as

00:53:15.120 modern man.

00:53:15.800 And we like to, as you said, look at the progression of time as we went from bad and got better.

00:53:23.860 That's just the progression that we're comfortable with.

00:53:26.500 That is not the case.

00:53:27.980 I don't know how you look at these structures and say that's the case.

00:53:30.660 One of the biggest things that sticks out about the little season is this unearthing of what

00:53:38.000 we're calling the Tartarian empire.

00:53:40.240 A lot of people have become comfortable with that terminology.

00:53:43.680 Uh, the evidence of that empire having existed, whatever the nature of it was, once again,

00:53:49.660 flies in the face of our theory that we've gone from bad to good on a very steady stream

00:53:55.100 on a timeline.

00:53:55.820 That's not the case because if you look at what we're building now, I mean, you can find

00:54:00.660 these videos, by the way, of people, they, they look at these, uh, these houses that are

00:54:04.380 popping up, you know, when you see like new developments and, um, and sometimes people

00:54:08.660 will go into these new developments and they'll show you like, look, this is what it's made

00:54:11.540 out of.

00:54:12.080 And everything's made out of like plywood, unbelievably cheap materials, right?

00:54:15.560 Everything is made out of some form of plastic, uh, whatever the case may be there.

00:54:19.920 Everybody's complaining.

00:54:20.860 The houses that they're creating are not the houses of old.

00:54:23.900 It seems like we're, honestly, you could point to a million reasons that suggest we're doing

00:54:29.780 the opposite where that we're actually getting worse over time and that we've been doing

00:54:33.940 that for a long time now.

00:54:35.520 A hundred percent.

00:54:35.960 I mean, in my old house in Brooklyn, um, I removed the wall illegally, but, um, when

00:54:40.420 I, when I took the wood out, uh, the wood had so much, so many like rings, you can see

00:54:46.140 the greens of wood.

00:54:47.300 They were at least, I don't know, 75 and it was like a darker, beautiful wood.

00:54:52.420 Um, and I just felt bad taking it out of there because then I replaced it with some crap

00:54:56.320 wood that had like six or seven rings from Home Depot, this pale, you know, pale brown

00:55:01.700 piece of, piece of wood.

00:55:03.300 And I'm like, this is not the same thing.

00:55:04.920 This is not built with the same care and quality.

00:55:07.840 And that's just from the 1920s.

00:55:09.740 So imagine going back a couple hundred years.

00:55:12.440 Right.

00:55:12.540 Everything is getting worse.

00:55:14.360 I was even commenting.

00:55:15.560 I was like, let's just talk about this past weekend.

00:55:18.740 So we had Jake Paul fighting Mike Tyson, who's 58 years old.

00:55:23.420 And I was commenting, of course, probably like a, almost sounding like a boomer to my kids.

00:55:27.660 You know, I remember back in my day when I watched prime Mike Tyson fight real fighters.

00:55:33.880 Prime Mike Tyson fight someone's ear off.

00:55:36.240 Right.

00:55:36.520 I, I, I told that story too.

00:55:38.800 Yeah.

00:55:38.980 When I was there, I remember that fight too.

00:55:40.720 But the funny part was, is that you had like, like literally you're filling up a football

00:55:46.040 stadium to watch a YouTuber fight an old man.

00:55:50.180 And it's like, so, I mean, that's what it is.

00:55:53.000 I mean, obviously, I mean, it was on Netflix.

00:55:54.780 I watched it too.

00:55:55.600 I mean, I knew everyone was going to talk about it.

00:55:57.460 Oh, you watched it.

00:55:58.120 You didn't have to deal with an hour or two hours of buffering.

00:56:00.640 That's incredible.

00:56:00.980 Well, I did watch, obviously, I was frustrated.

00:56:02.980 Luckily, it actually streamed okay during the fight.

00:56:05.140 But I mean, well, I mean, I kind of wish I had missed it now.

00:56:08.540 But the point being is like, that's kind of like a microcosm of everything.

00:56:14.780 It's like, it's pale reflections of what was.

00:56:18.480 And that wasn't that long ago.

00:56:19.780 And I said, I remember I was talking to my brother and I was like, thanks for that.

00:56:24.440 No problem.

00:56:24.960 When I remember growing up, like, you know, especially like I was in high school and,

00:56:30.380 you know, like, you know, going to school, like in college in the 90s too.

00:56:33.340 And it's like that you had the 90s boxing of the heavyweights was like, gosh, I took it

00:56:40.220 for granted.

00:56:40.760 I look back and you go watch the, you guys want to see real fights, go on YouTube and

00:56:44.640 watch some of the old fights from the 90s.

00:56:46.580 All these heavyweights, they were awesome.

00:56:49.100 And you just take for granted, like, that's always going to be like that.

00:56:52.500 No.

00:56:52.660 But I mean, I think that's the ways a lot of things are.

00:56:55.420 As I said, I'm in construction too.

00:56:56.820 And so what's interesting is like, you know, to get kind of technical, we build commercial

00:57:04.400 buildings and we frame things out of metal in commercial most, most of the time.

00:57:08.100 We don't use wood.

00:57:10.060 But there's, you know, so there's different gauges of studs when you put, build walls.

00:57:15.600 And so what's interesting is like the 20, you know, like basically the gauges dictate

00:57:21.540 how thick the steel is or they're supposed to.

00:57:24.360 So like a lot of studs, like, like in commercial buildings would be like 20 gauge studs.

00:57:29.680 Well, 20 gauge is a certain thickness.

00:57:32.160 Well, no, it's not actually a certain thickness now.

00:57:33.720 So now they have to like spec that it's 33 mil 20 gauge because the manufacturers are

00:57:39.900 making the studs in different ways to make, to cut costs, to make them.

00:57:45.780 Well, it's a 20 gauge, but it's really not as thick.

00:57:48.100 So the, the architects literally have to expect that it has to be this thick.

00:57:52.780 So that, I mean, like, that's kind of like to explain that when you go see, like, remember

00:57:58.260 that show American Pickers, I guess the one guy just died, but yeah, you know, they would

00:58:02.000 go find like these old toys from like, you know, like the early 1900s, the 1950s, the

00:58:08.180 forties and whatever.

00:58:08.980 And they would refinish these things and they were awesome toys because they were like, you

00:58:13.340 know, like the things were made of metal.

00:58:15.040 They're built in America.

00:58:16.140 Of their, everything was built to last and they did last and they do last.

00:58:20.380 And now everything, including the buildings we build are literally, gee, just the cheapest

00:58:26.660 way you could throw them up.

00:58:27.920 You throw up a building in order to sell your widgets and that's good enough.

00:58:31.680 And it doesn't matter if it's going to last because I don't care.

00:58:34.060 I'm not going to be here that long, but there was a time where obviously these buildings

00:58:37.740 would have lasted forever and they, and they have, you know, but you know what I'm saying?

00:58:43.140 I wish I would have measured that two by four because as I was holding it, thinking about

00:58:47.940 it now, it was, it felt like it was actually two by four, not like one and three quarters

00:58:54.540 by whatever.

00:58:55.740 Right.

00:58:56.100 Yeah.

00:58:56.260 Cause everything is getting smaller.

00:58:57.580 Right.

00:58:57.780 Yeah.

00:58:57.940 So even though it's a two by four, it's not even two by four.

00:59:00.680 Is this like the great dwindling of everything?

00:59:03.240 Like even our attention spans have dwindled.

00:59:05.220 You know, it's like people used to take on these endeavors and have lifelong works.

00:59:09.040 And now it's like you, you're seemingly like, you know, we're in the podcast world and it's

00:59:13.440 like, we make long form content, but there's a demand for very short form content.

00:59:18.400 Whereas other people in the past are like, you know, you hear stories of like people that

00:59:22.200 are content for writing their life's work in a book and it's okay if it takes 20 years

00:59:26.940 to write that book.

00:59:27.800 And I'm like, that's unacceptable.

00:59:28.880 We have to process this and get it out to a public that only has an eight second long attention

00:59:32.820 span and so we need to make these clips for people that can't pay attention.

00:59:36.120 I don't know if that speaks to like this idea of like the quickening.

00:59:39.600 Like some people think that everything is shortening.

00:59:43.640 Time is seemingly faster.

00:59:45.340 The days are shorter somehow.

00:59:48.020 And I don't know if there's evidence to back that up per se, but I share that sentiment.

00:59:52.720 It seems like everything is just so fast now.

00:59:56.120 It seems like, like I do podcasting as a full-time job now and it seems like I don't have enough

01:00:03.140 hours in the day when I have more time than I ever have had and somehow I don't have enough.

01:00:08.080 It's a bizarre thing.

01:00:09.160 And I'm like, is this just the realm that we inhabit or, you know, that something is happening?

01:00:15.500 There's a constricting of time or is it just like human psychology?

01:00:20.820 I don't know, but you can see the evidence for it everywhere.

01:00:23.880 It's probably not great for us, honestly.

01:00:26.400 I think it's, I wonder if it's a product too, like what you were saying about like being,

01:00:31.100 not feeling like there's enough hours in the day because I do feel like that there obviously

01:00:35.380 was a time where people, they took care of what they needed to take care of and then

01:00:41.320 they had lots of downtime at times.

01:00:43.000 You know, that's the funny, people always talk about like the, what is it, like the lords

01:00:46.420 and the serfs and everything is like, well, they had to work really hard.

01:00:49.500 Well, I'm sure they worked really hard when they were working on the harvest and things

01:00:52.240 like that.

01:00:52.880 But then there was a time where they had to rest.

01:00:57.660 I mean, think about it.

01:00:58.640 It's like, I started to think about too, like we always complain, you know, I complain.

01:01:02.180 I like to complain a lot anyways, but you know, you get to this time of year when you're driving

01:01:07.640 home, like from work and it's like four 30 and it's already getting dark.

01:01:11.800 You're like, this sucks.

01:01:13.740 Yeah, dude.

01:01:14.100 But, but if you really think about it, like what if you had been working all summer and

01:01:18.580 then obviously you're taking care of the harvest in the fall and then this is God's way of

01:01:22.660 saying, Hey, you know what?

01:01:24.040 You need to rest a little more.

01:01:25.820 I'm going to make it darker, longer.

01:01:27.480 So then you can chill out more, but we don't do that.

01:01:30.140 Right?

01:01:30.400 So we, we still keep plugging away.

01:01:32.800 It's up.

01:01:33.040 Now it's like, it sucks to work in the dark.

01:01:34.520 It sucks to get home in the dark, but we still have to continue to hammer away at the exact

01:01:40.080 same schedule, except for we get a couple of days off, like in the middle of the year.

01:01:44.120 Right.

01:01:44.580 But I think that that's like, I think maybe that's what it is.

01:01:47.100 It's like that.

01:01:47.860 I agree with the, with the internet, with technology, there's always a need to, people can get at

01:01:55.640 you and you should be doing more.

01:01:57.220 And it's like, I, I'm the same way where like the, now that I, you know, I don't do this

01:02:00.800 full time, but I always feel like that, oh, I haven't made a podcast in a while.

01:02:06.480 I need to record something so I can post it next week.

01:02:08.580 And then I'm like, well, I need to make some reels too.

01:02:11.320 And then I have to make reels to go along with that.

01:02:13.580 And it's like, sometimes I have to say, well, I'll make the reel today and I won't post it

01:02:17.620 till tomorrow because, because if I post it today, then I'll feel like I have to post

01:02:20.960 something like tomorrow or the next day.

01:02:23.420 And it's like, has, has the time become shorter?

01:02:27.560 Is it just because I feel like I just, there's more demands on me because like I can do more.

01:02:32.000 So therefore I try to do more.

01:02:34.160 And then sometimes you have to realize, like, I know that like when I was really like into

01:02:37.920 endurance sports and like working out and stuff, sometimes more is not better.

01:02:42.500 Sometimes you should like, you know, sometimes people don't want to hear from me all the time.

01:02:45.400 Like maybe it'd be better to leave them wanting more.

01:02:48.180 And I have to remind myself of that.

01:02:50.020 It's like that you can work out really hard, but you won't get any better because you get

01:02:54.780 better when you rest and you get better when you recover.

01:02:57.540 Right.

01:02:58.580 And I think that maybe, maybe some of that is loss is because everything, everybody wants

01:03:03.700 stuff right away.

01:03:04.800 Right.

01:03:05.240 And we don't, we don't ever quit.

01:03:07.060 I think, I think honestly, in the idea of the little season and it doesn't even necessarily

01:03:12.140 have to be unique to the little season is the fact that that is like the movie, the matrix.

01:03:16.380 Like that's what this is.

01:03:17.740 Like, that's what this is.

01:03:18.700 And if, if that's what the devil is doing to us is we're at cogs in a machine and we're

01:03:23.380 too distracted.

01:03:24.220 And obviously when you're, when you're trying to, you know, not necessarily do bad things

01:03:29.200 or trying to do good things.

01:03:30.040 Like I have to pay, I have to pay for things.

01:03:31.540 I need to prepare.

01:03:32.580 I need to take care of my family.

01:03:34.520 You can always do more.

01:03:36.320 Right.

01:03:37.360 Right.

01:03:37.560 But maybe more is not better.

01:03:38.780 And then, so then you're distracted from what's really important.

01:03:41.660 And also what they're doing is they're inundating us with so many options and so much

01:03:45.900 entertainment that's like, you know, the, the bread and circus comes so fast and it's,

01:03:50.080 and it never stops.

01:03:50.920 And I think that boredom has a way of slowing down.

01:03:54.020 Maybe boredom is not a great word for it, but when there's tranquility and there's nothing

01:03:56.900 going on, time does seem to elongate a little bit.

01:03:59.880 Definitely.

01:04:00.720 We look at it as a negative thing because we're bored in that moment.

01:04:03.580 I think it's because, especially in the West, we don't have an appreciation for stillness

01:04:09.180 and doing nothing and just being in the moment.

01:04:11.520 But, um, to, to, to counter that, that stillness, it's like, they're inundating us constantly

01:04:17.880 with all these different things.

01:04:18.820 And I think that gives a sensation of a, of a, of a speeding up.

01:04:21.560 What were you going to say, Tab?

01:04:22.420 I was going to say like, uh, to JT's point, because, uh, I was, I was in construction also.

01:04:27.020 I used to do, uh, I used to build the tracks in New York city.

01:04:29.560 So it's like super heavy construction, but my whole life I was on a schedule, you know,

01:04:34.600 whether it be overnight or like a nine to five driving a tractor trailer.

01:04:37.580 Uh, then I moved to Florida and I was working online remotely for odyssey.com.

01:04:44.400 That's like the streaming company.

01:04:45.960 And now I just work for myself and my, my company's hop lobster.com.

01:04:50.200 And I still have times where I'm working from home and I go, I'm not doing enough.

01:04:55.680 Like I'm not, because I'm not working nine to five.

01:04:58.760 I'm not swiping something, sitting down, doing work, driving a truck, swinging a hammer.

01:05:03.380 And I have to stop myself.

01:05:05.360 I'm like, no, no, no.

01:05:05.960 I have what I'm doing.

01:05:07.060 What you got to do is set a goal.

01:05:09.520 I need to do this, this, this by today, by tomorrow.

01:05:14.160 And I'll knock that out.

01:05:15.280 And sometimes that'll take me two hours and then I'll go, huh, I'm supposed to be doing

01:05:19.900 six more hours of work, but no, not quite.

01:05:22.140 I've done my work.

01:05:23.020 I've done what I needed to do.

01:05:24.240 I've met my, my mark for the day.

01:05:26.320 And sometimes I'll over-exceed my mark, but always continuing to build.

01:05:29.480 So, and I think people that come from that nine to five background, when you're doing

01:05:33.180 stuff like podcasting and being a content creator, like you're, you're moving into JT, you have

01:05:38.860 to start to think in that way because entrepreneurs and people that work for themselves don't work

01:05:43.340 on a schedule.

01:05:44.720 So don't beat yourself down, like set yourself a goal.

01:05:48.040 Yeah.

01:05:48.920 And you're killing it, dude.

01:05:50.000 You're killing it.

01:05:50.400 You're doing like way better than us.

01:05:51.680 Well, no, I mean, I think that, I think that that's the thing.

01:05:54.420 It's like, I, I do think that like, I, I have recognized recently that, yeah, like, you

01:05:58.960 know, I can't, I'll, I know there's people like probably been like me who burn themselves

01:06:03.700 out because like, you can't continue.

01:06:06.060 You can only go at a certain, go at a certain pace, but to bring it back, to bring it back

01:06:10.440 to, uh, the whole topic of the little season and everything, you start to wonder, it's like,

01:06:15.220 so go read your Bible.

01:06:16.680 And do you think, does this sound like a issue to pray anybody back in those days?

01:06:21.280 Okay.

01:06:21.680 So, I mean, obviously the answer is probably not.

01:06:24.760 Okay.

01:06:25.480 With that being said, do you ever get to the sense that when you're reading the Bible,

01:06:29.600 it's like you're, you have trouble wrapping your head around the book of revelation in

01:06:35.140 2024, right?

01:06:38.600 Is that, do you guys ever thought about it?

01:06:40.500 Like, like, well, what I'm saying is like the, the issues we're talking about right now

01:06:45.440 don't really seem like issues that, that come up a lot in the Bible about like the things,

01:06:50.440 the things that we're wrestling with right now, and all I, all that being said is that

01:06:55.600 I think it's very obvious that the audience for the Bible is a lot different than we are.

01:07:01.260 And I think that sometimes we're projecting things onto the Bible that were never really

01:07:05.680 intended to be directly to us.

01:07:08.200 It's not, obviously everything in the Bible can be related to us.

01:07:11.540 And obviously the struggles of people are always kind of the same.

01:07:15.220 The God's the same, the devil's the same, but at the same way that when you realize like

01:07:22.180 the audience for the Bible and we're not really the audience for the Bible, right?

01:07:26.700 Like the letters are not to us.

01:07:30.300 The, um, the people Jesus is speaking to are not us.

01:07:33.900 The promises are good to us, but I, I believe that, I think that's where it's kind of gets

01:07:38.860 lost where I think that sometimes, sometimes you do have to sit back and you're like, this

01:07:43.420 is written to someone else.

01:07:45.220 No, 100% is.

01:07:46.640 We talked to Brian from Demon Racers and, uh, it's fast.

01:07:49.960 Every time we talk to him, we go through more scripture where it's like, you know, the Genesis

01:07:53.720 six will say, uh, there was Nephilim on the days, um, days before the flood and also after,

01:07:58.180 also whatever.

01:07:59.180 And next story.

01:08:00.320 And it's like, everybody knows this, but like we're living with giants and monsters and

01:08:04.280 then we're just going to continue the story.

01:08:05.740 But like, we read it today and just completely look past that part.

01:08:09.260 And every, like I said, when Brian comes and he's bringing up scripture, we're like, wait,

01:08:12.040 Jesus was talking to a dog-faced woman.

01:08:14.200 Um, there's things in Leviticus talking about, like, we can't let these beasts and people

01:08:18.220 with cleft lips into the temple.

01:08:20.240 This was common knowledge to them back then.

01:08:21.920 It's not written for us.

01:08:22.840 It was written for them.

01:08:23.820 And that's why they kind of just glazed, glazed over those details.

01:08:28.160 Right.

01:08:28.580 And I think, but I think that's why a lot of people like get confused about some of these,

01:08:32.400 these passages and they say, well, it's got to be for now because I don't have evidence

01:08:36.620 that the things happened.

01:08:38.200 But you're like, again, we don't have evidence for a lot of things.

01:08:40.820 Like we, like we can't even, we can't, we really don't believe now.

01:08:45.440 I mean, like I said, whether we're right or we're wrong, we can't reliably trust the fact

01:08:49.320 that when they say this building in your town was built in 1890, that we really believe it.

01:08:53.940 So now think about that.

01:08:56.140 So when, to go back to a question, I guess I didn't answer it very clearly was like that

01:09:00.340 when Ed was saying like the mountains would be moved and the islands would be removed

01:09:05.380 out of their places.

01:09:06.760 Look at all the maps.

01:09:07.780 The maps are all different from all the time.

01:09:09.480 So you ever notice that?

01:09:10.260 Like the maps are not the same.

01:09:11.300 It's like, but they're also kind of detailed for being wrong.

01:09:14.700 Right?

01:09:15.260 Like, so what if the maps were actually correct?

01:09:17.160 And what if the, the geography has changed?

01:09:20.300 The geology has changed?

01:09:22.240 Like, I'm not, I can't reliably say it has or it hasn't because I didn't live back in

01:09:26.760 those days.

01:09:27.020 I don't, I have no idea.

01:09:28.020 They didn't give us a map in the Bible, you know, in during one of the prophecies.

01:09:31.920 So I don't know what it looked like back then.

01:09:34.360 People do say, and I agree with them.

01:09:37.080 You know, the Bible talks about Mount Zion and there's a little hill in Israel.

01:09:42.580 It talks about the Sea of Galilee and it's a lake.

01:09:44.900 It talks about the Jordan River and it's a creek.

01:09:47.480 Like there's a lot of things that are not quite exactly what we thought they would be.

01:09:50.780 There's really only one mountain in Israel and it's Mount Hermon.

01:09:54.020 But, but all the other things are kind of small hills and it's like they knew what mountains

01:09:59.060 look like.

01:09:59.580 So why were they calling all these things mountains when they're literally not mountains?

01:10:03.680 You know, some people have questions, the, the geography altogether.

01:10:06.920 I'm one of those people.

01:10:07.820 I do believe that the Middle East is where all that stuff happened.

01:10:10.740 I don't believe America is where the promised land was.

01:10:13.480 I don't believe that this was Egypt or anything like that.

01:10:16.560 But at the same time, would I bet everything on it?

01:10:20.300 No, I don't, I don't really know.

01:10:21.660 Cause I come relying on people to tell me what's true at the same time.

01:10:26.280 Like we don't know, we, we really don't know a lot and we have to be honest with ourselves

01:10:31.020 that, that we don't know.

01:10:32.620 So if Jesus said specifically to certain people that he was going to come back before the generation

01:10:37.520 passed away, well, I would rather go, I would rather, I would rather meet him today saying

01:10:44.140 I believed him than saying I doubted it because I didn't see enough evidence that it happened.

01:10:48.640 Well, that's one of the things that, um, shout out to Dr. Narco Longo of Old World Florida,

01:10:54.980 whether or not you agree with him is inconsequential.

01:10:57.840 What I think is interesting is that he has managed to amass, you know, a body of evidence,

01:11:02.940 whether anecdotal or otherwise, uh, and you can contest all of his points, but he's still

01:11:06.560 managed to create this large body of evidence that suggests that, you know, he, he believes

01:11:12.940 that the Garden of Eden was in, in Florida, I believe.

01:11:15.780 And he, he's got a lot of interesting ideas and I'm not outright dismissing him, but what

01:11:21.380 is, I think the most important thing to take away from that is that we're left in such a

01:11:26.940 state of confusion here in 2024 that even ideas like that people are receptive to.

01:11:33.860 It's almost, it's almost glaringly clear, you know, if, if you were to say somebody's

01:11:41.800 hiding something from me and somebody would say, well, what are they hiding?

01:11:46.840 And you go, I don't know.

01:11:49.000 And they would go, well, if you don't know what they are hiding, then they're not hiding

01:11:52.400 anything.

01:11:52.740 It's like, that's not the truth.

01:11:54.120 I see a lot of evidence for things having been hidden.

01:11:58.200 And it seems that people have gone through incredible lengths to obfuscate our history

01:12:02.700 from us.

01:12:04.200 You know, when it comes to Tartaria or the orphan trains, one of the big things that's

01:12:08.400 going on right now is, you know, the obsession with the bells, the seemingly buried bells all

01:12:14.180 over the world.

01:12:14.880 We took them down from towers and buried them.

01:12:17.640 There are the world's fairs, you know, Chicago's world fair.

01:12:22.240 Oh yeah.

01:12:22.740 You know, there's all these theories going around that.

01:12:25.140 Uh, Dr. Narco Longo, one of the things that I do think he, he kind of is, is over the

01:12:30.560 target on is this idea that here in Florida, there are these, um, Longo Narco, Longo Narco,

01:12:36.620 did I say it wrong?

01:12:37.880 Um, all over Florida, there are these giant stones with clear symmetrical holes bored through

01:12:45.620 them.

01:12:45.900 He maintains that those are actually a very specific type of, uh, anchor that Scandinavians

01:12:51.340 would have used Vikings.

01:12:52.120 And he says that in, uh, the panhandle of Florida, we have discovered, uh, burial mounds

01:12:59.020 and they were only a, yes, there you go.

01:13:02.400 Florida is the only place in the world that has gopher wood.

01:13:03.920 There's a lot of really interesting stuff, but, uh, the only people that practice burial

01:13:07.260 mounds of this particular nature were the Scandinavians.

01:13:10.120 He's got evidence for the ancient Egyptians having been here before, uh, because you know,

01:13:13.980 the, the narrative that we get and put Dr. Narco Longo's stuff to the side, the narrative

01:13:19.380 that we get from modern day archeology and all these different institutions is that,

01:13:23.520 you know, European settlers showed up and there was peace loving Native Americans that,

01:13:27.800 uh, were essentially slaughtered and given smallpox blankets.

01:13:30.540 And that's the end of it.

01:13:31.260 And, and the story of the Americas is one of the, of, of conquerors and, and, you know,

01:13:35.000 torture and all these other things, which you alluded to earlier.

01:13:37.540 It's like, they weren't, uh, peace loving people.

01:13:40.500 You know, the Comanches for, for one, a warring tribe, uh, they were going around.

01:13:44.960 It was not like Avatar.

01:13:46.140 It was not like Avatar.

01:13:47.200 The Aztecs, the Maya, the Inca, they were all practicing human sacrifice in mass, uh,

01:13:51.680 to the 2000s.

01:13:53.120 Um, there was so much that we don't understand.

01:13:56.440 We're constantly given a truncated version of history and you could very easily start

01:14:01.700 to suspect that somebody is trying to hide something.

01:14:05.080 And what is that important?

01:14:08.460 What is that important that so many, so much apparatus would be geared towards obfuscating

01:14:13.260 so much of our history?

01:14:15.180 You know, is it just that there's a psychological benefit to detaching people from their past

01:14:18.900 or is there a much larger implication happening?

01:14:23.180 Well, I think that again, like we always talk about like the, the elites being devil worshipers,

01:14:28.120 you know, so like the secret society is kind of running this place.

01:14:32.280 Because they have had hidden knowledge, you know, obviously you think everyone, everyone

01:14:36.620 talks about under the Vatican.

01:14:38.180 I think they say there's over 50 miles of like bookshelves in the Vatican.

01:14:43.080 Like, you know, it's hard to even imagine that's real, but I mean, that's what they said.

01:14:46.740 50 miles.

01:14:47.700 50 miles.

01:14:48.400 Like, I don't, it's hard to even like comprehend that.

01:14:51.120 Well, what kind of knowledge is under there?

01:14:53.140 This is like a church, right?

01:14:54.200 So like, don't they like, why would they hide stuff like that when they tell us what's in

01:14:58.100 there?

01:14:59.040 Right.

01:14:59.260 They don't tell us though.

01:15:00.060 So the real question is like, did I do believe that some of this hidden history is not hidden

01:15:05.220 from everybody.

01:15:06.000 Some people know this stuff.

01:15:08.100 But what's interesting is I did a video on Columbus Day, obviously clowning on the story

01:15:13.980 of Columbus, how stupid it is that he was a ball earther.

01:15:17.580 So he realized that going the opposite way would not make him fall off the edge of the

01:15:21.120 earth.

01:15:21.600 And I was like, okay, fair enough.

01:15:23.680 Let's just say he believed that.

01:15:25.740 Why would he ever think that going the opposite way would be faster though?

01:15:28.400 Does he even know how big this place is?

01:15:31.160 So what we're told is that he didn't believe there was the Americas so he could sail across

01:15:36.320 the Atlantic and Pacific together, which had been way harder, right?

01:15:40.940 To get to India.

01:15:42.880 Obviously they didn't even call it India back then.

01:15:44.820 I think they called it Hindustan.

01:15:45.400 Hindustan.

01:15:47.000 Now, what's interesting is I remember when I went to school back in the day that with

01:15:51.660 a wink and a nod, the teachers kind of always said, you know, some people believe the Vikings

01:15:55.540 got here first.

01:15:56.660 Some people believe like Leif Erikson got here before Columbus did.

01:16:00.780 So now that's widely accepted.

01:16:02.540 That's true.

01:16:02.980 I don't think it's still in the history books though, but a lot of people believe that the

01:16:05.800 Vikings got here first.

01:16:06.640 And so with that being said, they believe 500 years before Columbus got here.

01:16:13.540 Okay.

01:16:14.000 So now think about that.

01:16:14.960 Okay.

01:16:15.140 So what did they do now?

01:16:16.160 So now that it's acknowledged that they got here first, what'd they do?

01:16:19.000 Nothing.

01:16:20.880 Do you guys believe that?

01:16:22.480 You know, so they, they made it all the way over here and for 500 years, they didn't come

01:16:26.540 back and do anything here.

01:16:28.720 It's, you know, it's obviously a prince.

01:16:30.920 No, it makes no sense.

01:16:32.220 What makes sense though, is if they did do things, right?

01:16:36.480 So what, you know, so even by even putting a label on them as Vikings.

01:16:41.520 Okay.

01:16:41.880 So like you, we have a thought in your head of like these kind of brutes, right?

01:16:45.080 To come over and they, well, they're too stupid.

01:16:47.180 They didn't really know how to do anything.

01:16:48.340 Like they were only a pillage and rape and all that kind of stuff.

01:16:51.900 No, they knew how to do things because they were Europeans.

01:16:55.580 And even if they did not do anything, do you think the,

01:17:00.200 do you think there's any chance that they would not have told anyone in Europe that

01:17:04.180 they got over to this land over in this other place?

01:17:06.920 Oh yeah.

01:17:07.640 So then the idea of Columbus one day thinking those continents do not exist is an obvious

01:17:15.940 lie.

01:17:16.600 So they know that these places exist.

01:17:18.940 So now going back to, did they do anything?

01:17:21.600 What if they did?

01:17:22.960 What if they did?

01:17:23.800 And that's the evidence of the cities that possibly were already here that were founded later.

01:17:28.840 Right.

01:17:29.560 Because now you push back the American timeline, a thousand, you know, from 1492 to like a

01:17:35.820 thousand.

01:17:36.680 And then I told you, I already said like that, that with that Gunnar Heinsohn, he's talking

01:17:42.260 about taking 700 years out of the first millennium.

01:17:45.840 Okay.

01:17:46.280 Check this out.

01:17:47.100 So the way he does it, he was dating things backwards.

01:17:49.900 So he was basically saying like the Holy Roman Empire, like in Germany, he was dating things

01:17:55.080 backwards.

01:17:55.820 So he's basically saying like, instead of like saying it's like the year 1324, which I guess

01:18:00.140 if he took 700 years away, that's what it would be.

01:18:02.560 He was basically more like saying that the times of Jesus was more like your 800, 800,

01:18:07.980 900.

01:18:09.320 Okay.

01:18:09.680 So the interesting part about that is, so now you're putting the Roman Empire right

01:18:13.240 around the times of the Vikings.

01:18:15.880 Now, I thought one of the more fascinating points he made was that the Viking ships, they

01:18:21.540 supposedly didn't invent the square sail into like, I don't know, like, you know, in all

01:18:27.280 the years of the Vikings, like they didn't invent the square sail into a certain year.

01:18:30.880 Well, when he was comparing the Roman in the Roman boats in the Viking boats, they're the

01:18:35.740 same.

01:18:37.140 Okay.

01:18:37.620 So now think about everything else, just not the sail.

01:18:39.760 So, well, just think about, so just think about that.

01:18:41.700 So like if the Viking boats in the Roman boats were the same, so obviously the Viking or the

01:18:45.860 Roman boats would have got across the ocean.

01:18:48.200 Right.

01:18:49.060 Okay.

01:18:49.420 So now think about the architecture in America.

01:18:52.140 Right.

01:18:53.160 And okay.

01:18:53.540 So now, so now if you think about it like that, if you think about, there was this time

01:18:57.280 where the Romans did go over to this, this land and now think about the crazy columns,

01:19:03.320 places like Washington, D.C., and then you think about the mud flood, the Romans came

01:19:08.460 over here or Europeans, whatever.

01:19:10.780 They all had the same kind of architectural style.

01:19:13.160 They came over here and then somehow something bad happened and things were covered in mud.

01:19:18.240 And you're like, okay, wait a minute.

01:19:19.680 Now, actually, this kind of makes a lot, a lot more sense that there was these buildings

01:19:25.060 that had Roman style all over America.

01:19:27.920 And it was not that long ago.

01:19:29.800 So, I mean, yeah, you could either take time away or you could move us closer to the time

01:19:36.080 of Jesus.

01:19:36.460 Either way, it doesn't really matter to us because we really don't know when, we have

01:19:40.840 a hard time picking where our starting point is.

01:19:42.540 But point being is like that, yeah, to go back to your saying, the questioning of like

01:19:49.980 whether the Garden of Eden was here and all that kind of stuff.

01:19:52.600 And I think it's more like there's more just noise in this narrative where it's like that

01:19:58.480 is that possibly like as the internet is in full force, we have podcasts like this, we

01:20:04.800 exchange ideas.

01:20:06.940 People are starting to learn more truth.

01:20:10.840 But at the same time, the system is being flooded with everything.

01:20:14.140 And I'm not saying this guy is wrong about everything.

01:20:15.720 I'm just saying like that, that it does seem like if there was a time, there was a little

01:20:20.560 season, people were deceived.

01:20:22.200 Maybe at that point where people were starting to catch back on, maybe that's what happens

01:20:26.840 is like the system is flooded with everything.

01:20:30.040 And then some people just throw their hands up and it's like, well, I don't believe history,

01:20:33.900 but I can't believe that.

01:20:35.000 That's I'm going to believe I'm going to believe the story that's most comfortable for me.

01:20:39.260 Right.

01:20:39.540 And that to me speaks to it being by design.

01:20:42.320 It's like I say it all the time.

01:20:45.180 Well, really, Sam Tripoli says it all the time.

01:20:46.960 He's got a great expression for it.

01:20:48.240 He goes, it's like they're flooding things to the to the extent that you don't know if

01:20:51.680 you're coming or going.

01:20:53.000 And that willingness to throw your hands in the air and go, you know what, dude, I don't

01:20:56.880 I don't know.

01:20:57.820 But I know it's not that.

01:20:58.900 Let's just say whatever it is.

01:21:01.160 That's not indicative of like people that have a clear and concise understanding of history

01:21:05.100 at all.

01:21:05.400 We've been flooded with so much disinformation.

01:21:08.020 In many ways, the Internet is is a curse for that.

01:21:11.860 You know what I mean?

01:21:12.480 Because it's like we have access to all these different theories, but you can spend an

01:21:16.520 unbelievable amount of time dedicating resources to understanding one particular theory.

01:21:20.960 And in the time that it would have taken you to come to a conclusion, 10 more would have

01:21:24.580 popped up in its wake.

01:21:25.680 And you don't know if they're real.

01:21:27.560 You don't know if they're if they're, you know, false trails to go down.

01:21:31.160 And so, you know, I look at this as like a really excellent confusion campaign or demoralization

01:21:38.580 campaign.

01:21:39.160 Can I ask you something?

01:21:41.000 So, all right.

01:21:41.860 One of my main concerns with and it's just why we had you have you back on the show to

01:21:46.540 talk about the second a second time.

01:21:47.940 This is why we talk with Ed about this is why it comes up.

01:21:50.600 I did a thread not debunking.

01:21:52.380 It's just kind of talking about the little season.

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01:22:55.200 And the people who believe in the little snout.

01:22:58.620 Now, I don't know how this would even play out in the timeline of people who think the

01:23:02.160 little season is what we're living through.

01:23:04.500 But Jesus comes back and he comes back in a way that looks like the book of Revelation

01:23:11.060 says, like the first coming of Christ, according to little seasoners.

01:23:14.840 Little seasoners, funny.

01:23:18.040 Little seasoners, pizza.

01:23:19.940 Yeah.

01:23:20.280 What happens when these people look and they turn away?

01:23:23.800 Like, yeah, that's a great question.

01:23:25.800 Also, how does the, when Christ does come back and, you know, banishes Satan to the pit

01:23:32.660 of hell and then we start anew at the end of the little season, how does that look in

01:23:37.100 comparison to his first coming, according to little seasoners?

01:23:41.400 Like, if we are deceived at that point, at that, it's super, I mean, it's trepidatious

01:23:47.280 for sure.

01:23:47.700 But if I'm wrong and I think that, I think the little season is, if I do the little season's

01:23:54.240 incorrect and Jesus comes back, but it's a, it's just a, I don't know, blue beam, operation

01:24:00.260 blue beam thing, I'm deceived.

01:24:02.860 If the little seasoners see him come back and they turn around, do you see what I mean?

01:24:09.100 How dangerous this narrative is?

01:24:11.140 No, I actually, I don't know what you mean.

01:24:12.640 Like, so what, like, so what scenario is somebody who believes that this stuff already

01:24:17.140 happened, like what, if Jesus comes back, like, like every eye will see him.

01:24:22.720 And so am I going to say, well, that certainly can't be Jesus because I know he already came

01:24:28.400 back.

01:24:28.700 Like, so like, he's not going to accept me because I think he came back in the first

01:24:32.000 century.

01:24:32.380 Like did, well, if he's coming back with a sword, he's coming back to do damage to people.

01:24:36.840 And it's like that, that I know that those who would seek to save their lives will lose

01:24:41.300 it.

01:24:41.400 And those who are willing to lose it for my sake to find it.

01:24:43.320 So like what God's plan is, like, I don't know how it all shakes out at the end of the

01:24:48.240 little season.

01:24:48.640 So like, I'm, I'm kind of like in the way that, that I, all I really know is that, you

01:24:54.520 know, even God's, you know, Jesus told the disciples that, you know, blessed are those

01:24:58.780 who are doing what they're told when their master returns.

01:25:00.940 So like the, if I'm here preaching the gospel and I'm not telling people like to take the

01:25:06.340 mark of the beast because, oh, like, well, gosh, that can't be the mark of the beast

01:25:09.140 because it already happened.

01:25:09.800 So go ahead, get that microchip in your hand, you know, go do all that stuff.

01:25:13.600 Like, I'm not, I think that that's usually the, what's reserved for a lot of preterists

01:25:17.580 are saying, oh, well, this is why this is dangerous because you're going to tell people

01:25:20.980 to get the mark of the beast.

01:25:21.840 It's like, no, I'm not, nobody's telling anyone to get any mark.

01:25:24.360 Obviously, you know, that we're the most skeptical of everything our government tells us.

01:25:28.420 So I'm saying like that.

01:25:32.100 We don't know what any of this is going to look like.

01:25:34.040 We would never know what any, like, even like in the idea before the, um, I, I came

01:25:39.540 to the little season idea is that I'm thinking Jesus is going to come back.

01:25:44.660 I thought, I don't know what's going to happen.

01:25:46.820 I think that maybe, you know, tribulation is going to happen.

01:25:49.100 Obviously there's going to be persecution of the church and, and people are going to

01:25:52.460 be forced into hard decisions.

01:25:54.340 I still think that that's possible.

01:25:55.940 Like, I don't, like, I don't see that as being a lot differently.

01:25:58.540 Like that, if you think that the end of the tribulation ends with a battle between like

01:26:04.620 the devil and Jesus and all the, you know, all this, these principalities and world armies.

01:26:10.040 Well, that sounds kind of like the battle of Gog and Magog.

01:26:12.600 So they kind of sound kind of similar.

01:26:13.840 So like, I feel like that God has not told me to do anything different before either scenario.

01:26:19.440 Like God's like what, those who would live by the sword, we're going to die by the sword.

01:26:22.660 Those are going to go into captivity.

01:26:23.860 You're going to go into captivity.

01:26:24.920 So it's, to me, it's like that if Jesus is your example of like, if you get taken before

01:26:31.560 men, he's, he's your example.

01:26:34.200 Like, so I'm not going to fight against whatever's happening.

01:26:37.780 It's like, I know that, that, you know, Jesus basically said, don't worry about what you

01:26:41.620 say.

01:26:41.940 Like, obviously the Holy Spirit is going to speak through you and that kind of thing.

01:26:44.560 I feel like that to me, it's like came in this world naked, naked.

01:26:49.460 I'm going to go praise the Lord.

01:26:51.280 Like, that's, that's the way I see it.

01:26:53.120 So I don't see that.

01:26:54.140 Like, that's why, like, I'm not one of these people who say, oh, well, if you don't believe

01:26:58.980 in the little season, then obviously you're not a Christian, you know, like in the same

01:27:02.520 way that some people would say, oh, well, you're a preterist.

01:27:04.840 So obviously you're a heretic.

01:27:06.140 And it's like, oh, you actually believe Jesus literally insane.

01:27:09.500 Like, you know, my point is that what I know to be fruit of, of a Christian is the fact

01:27:18.000 that they love each other.

01:27:20.660 They show the fruits of the spirit.

01:27:22.520 So people show the fruits of the spirit.

01:27:24.060 I mean, cause I, I believe I'm one of these people would say like, like the Mormon church,

01:27:28.300 the Catholic church, are those Christian churches?

01:27:31.360 No.

01:27:32.020 Are the Christians in those churches?

01:27:33.280 Sure.

01:27:33.540 I believe there's little old ladies who do not know all the ins and outs of the theology

01:27:37.880 and don't understand, but they believe in Jesus and they love each other and they, and

01:27:42.840 they exude all the fruits, but they might have things in the doctrine that are wrong.

01:27:48.680 And I think that sometimes people do get lost in the weeds where it's like, in order to be

01:27:52.940 right, I have to push this person into the point of heresy in order to debunk them.

01:27:58.440 And I don't think it's like that.

01:28:00.600 Like I said, cause I'm, I'm literally saying like any example, anything that comes up in

01:28:06.140 these discussions, it's like, what it like pray about it.

01:28:09.240 Like, like, like, like don't, I don't tell people to trust me.

01:28:12.760 I tell people to, you know, to look, to look into it and see God and see what he says about

01:28:16.840 that.

01:28:17.100 But I mean, any decisions you make like that involve your family and yourself and your own

01:28:21.660 body and what you do.

01:28:23.540 I mean, we, we all got to take that to God.

01:28:25.060 Well, that's, that wasn't, that wasn't my question that I was asking what I was, but

01:28:29.520 I think, I think you, you answered me.

01:28:31.460 I may, I think I did a bad job of just, uh, of framing the question.

01:28:36.060 Can I try to ask one top that I think is kind of in alignment with what you were asking?

01:28:40.100 Yeah.

01:28:40.360 Yeah.

01:28:40.900 So JT, and this is obviously speculation, um, you know, that, that, that you'd be able to

01:28:47.000 give us.

01:28:47.340 What do you think might be to the opposition's advantage for doing this?

01:28:56.600 Because I can see, um, the argument for we are in this deception.

01:29:02.640 Right.

01:29:02.900 Yes.

01:29:03.240 That's what I'm saying.

01:29:03.960 Like we, so if, if the little season theory is correct, then the Jews that are in Israel

01:29:08.720 right now are not even close to the Jews that are in the Bible that revelation is talking

01:29:13.940 about.

01:29:14.200 So they're occupying land.

01:29:15.980 Why are they recreating it unless they want to create a deception and a diversion for when

01:29:22.520 this does happen?

01:29:23.940 Like there has to be, I'll admit this.

01:29:25.800 It's like, when I hear that, I, it, something about it resonates with me.

01:29:30.120 Like, cause there's even this element that appears there's an effort to, um, maybe manufacture

01:29:37.100 is not the best word, but to create biblical prophecy.

01:29:40.560 The reason I say that is like, um, and let's even move away from biblical prophecy.

01:29:45.980 Let's just say prophecy in general, cause there's all these different books, but like

01:29:48.460 when it comes to the rabbinic Jews and the red heifers and all these different things,

01:29:52.180 um, there's also a bunch of stuff about Donald Trump that I would argue there's an effort

01:29:56.200 to make him sort of fit the bill of the antichrist.

01:29:58.980 Um, whether or not he actually fits it is a different discussion.

01:30:02.500 But to me, it almost seems like you can say confidently they're trying to make him appear

01:30:07.220 that way.

01:30:08.060 So when I hear, well, the timeline's messed up, they're obfuscating our past, they're

01:30:12.900 trying to manufacture prophecy, prophecy in real time.

01:30:16.720 I, that all resonates with me.

01:30:18.880 Admit it.

01:30:19.360 Like, why would they ever want to help us, like make us want to support people who say

01:30:24.800 that Jesus is literally burning in hell and excrement?

01:30:28.000 Right.

01:30:28.960 Why would they ever want us to do that?

01:30:30.900 Why would they ever deceive us in that way where we would send money to people who are bombing

01:30:34.680 children?

01:30:36.060 Hmm.

01:30:37.200 That's a good point.

01:30:37.880 Like, maybe that's why, like, maybe that's why that we would support Israel no matter what,

01:30:41.660 because this is what God wants, because this is prophecy.

01:30:45.180 And it's like, but name me one time in the Bible where Israel entered the land of Canaan

01:30:50.000 unrepentant.

01:30:53.360 Like, literally like the spirit of antichrist.

01:30:56.400 Whether they're related to Jacob is irrelevant to me, because what Jesus says, what Paul says,

01:31:03.920 what all the prophets say is, what even John the Baptist says, do you not say you're children

01:31:09.800 of Abraham, because, because God could raise up children of Abraham through these rocks.

01:31:15.120 Because believing in the promise of Abraham is what count is counted as righteousness.

01:31:20.760 That's what makes you true Israel.

01:31:22.560 Even like in Paul says in, in Romans nine, he's saying like, did not everyone who descended

01:31:28.000 from Israel is true Israel.

01:31:30.200 And it's not because about what you're related to.

01:31:32.840 And I think the point is like, so God is a, not a, he does not show partiality in person.

01:31:38.780 So he says, I think he says that in, in Acts 15, he's like saying like that it's, God had

01:31:44.720 poured his Holy Spirit out on the Gentiles and it was about belief in his promise, his belief

01:31:48.960 in his son.

01:31:49.500 So all the promises are fulfilled through Jesus.

01:31:51.740 So apart from Jesus, you could be related.

01:31:54.800 You could show all the receipts to go back to Jacob.

01:31:57.720 But if you don't believe in him, it's like, well, how good is that?

01:32:00.380 Obviously you think about like, so Moses led the Israelites to all up to the doorstep of

01:32:06.100 Canaan, but they didn't believe so they couldn't get in.

01:32:08.480 Is that not the example of like what we should think about?

01:32:11.240 Like that it didn't matter that they were related to Jacob.

01:32:15.100 He only let in the ones who believed.

01:32:17.320 So in the same way that these people can say, I'm related to him as they spit on Jesus.

01:32:27.100 And, and so we're supposed to support that because this is what's supposed to happen,

01:32:31.820 but says who it's supposed to happen, right?

01:32:36.240 Like it did not says God says, says dispensationalists, says Zionists, says people who get big checks

01:32:44.580 from those places as we send big checks back.

01:32:48.220 And I think that you look, you go look at like, here's a good example is Greg Locke.

01:32:53.400 Greg Locke, the apostle Greg Locke.

01:32:55.440 I posted a video about him saying that during, after October 7th, that they needed to make

01:33:02.500 the Gaza Strip a parking lot and they need to wipe the Dome of the Rock off the map so they

01:33:07.400 could go build that third temple.

01:33:08.700 So then they could usher in the coming of Jesus.

01:33:10.880 Like what in the world is he talking about?

01:33:15.460 And I'm not, I'm not saying every futurist is like him, but this guy is literally talking

01:33:20.320 about them building a third temple to an antichrist.

01:33:23.160 Cause we all know, even the futurists would say that third temple is not going to be for

01:33:27.220 Jesus.

01:33:27.940 Right.

01:33:28.340 It's going to be for, for an antichrist.

01:33:31.020 So, you know what I'm saying?

01:33:31.840 Like, so when you think about like the way you see, like the coordinated powers in this

01:33:36.740 world that support the war in Ukraine, support the war in Israel, everyone's sending our

01:33:42.520 money over there and largely at least a professed Christian nation supports all this crap.

01:33:49.860 Right.

01:33:50.840 When you're like, don't the people, even if you, even if they're bad, don't the people on

01:33:57.640 the other side of those fences have equal access to the kingdom if they believe.

01:34:02.920 Yeah.

01:34:03.800 Right.

01:34:04.160 So like why we wouldn't, we, we wouldn't be as Christians supporting that kind of thing

01:34:07.740 unless it was dictated that this is Bible prophecy.

01:34:12.920 And like, Chris, look at all the people are hating on Israel.

01:34:15.720 I guess this sounds like Armageddon's about to happen.

01:34:18.300 It's like, no, maybe people are hating on them because they're doing evil things.

01:34:23.760 Right.

01:34:24.200 Or it could, it could be that because even in the Bible, people, the support Israel people,

01:34:29.640 no matter what, what about when Israel, what about when God sent foreign nations to destroy

01:34:33.440 Israel?

01:34:34.060 What about in Matthew 24, Luke 21, when he says literally did the, the armies are going

01:34:39.560 to surround Jerusalem and destroy it.

01:34:41.420 Who sent the armies to do that?

01:34:43.900 God did because they were, because, because they crucified his son.

01:34:48.160 And so like, meanwhile, they're, they're denying him still today.

01:34:53.780 And then we're supposed to believe that he's going to save them now.

01:34:57.120 Why?

01:34:58.320 They don't believe if they, if they would believe in this, like I said, this is not anything

01:35:04.160 anti-Semitic.

01:35:05.080 It's like they have access at any time to the kingdom, just like you and I do.

01:35:09.580 But they, but they're still denying it.

01:35:12.920 So just think about even in that dispensational view is that they believe that during the

01:35:18.420 tribulation, all of Israel will be saved.

01:35:20.820 Okay.

01:35:21.800 So in this view that history is, as we were taught, it's been 40 generations since Jesus.

01:35:28.580 So every generation of those people have died in rebellion since then, but God could save

01:35:35.520 them at any moment when he starts the tribulation and the magic happens and they all turn around

01:35:39.760 and get saved, but he's waiting for what?

01:35:44.260 So in that view, doesn't that make God seem like the bad guy?

01:35:46.980 Because he could change their hearts at any moment, but yet he doesn't.

01:35:51.560 But in my view, it's, they could change themselves.

01:35:55.680 Now they could, they could believe at any point and they would be saved.

01:35:59.980 And to me, it's like when Jesus came, he fulfilled all the promises.

01:36:05.640 Just think about like the original promise to Abraham was that he was going to make his

01:36:10.560 descendants of the sands of the sea, the stars in the sky, and then through him, all nations

01:36:16.160 would be blessed.

01:36:18.300 Now, if you're a Christian today, can you deny that happened?

01:36:22.780 That promise was kept.

01:36:24.120 And if you say it wasn't kept, then what, then what would, what would complete that promise?

01:36:29.520 Because you could have access to the kingdom of heaven right now.

01:36:34.120 And then some people are saying, no, but he has to come back like this and then they can

01:36:37.720 accept them.

01:36:39.340 But Jesus, he, but he came right.

01:36:41.520 And we, we accept that he came and we don't, I don't know how it'll end at the end, but

01:36:46.700 I do know that if I believe in him, I'll be with him.

01:36:49.780 And I think that, I think, I really do believe that like, sometimes people are just looking

01:36:54.800 for the physical so much in the same way of the people who denied him in the first place.

01:36:59.900 And I'm saying like, that I don't know how it all happened just in the same way that,

01:37:03.580 that Abraham left a place that he knew to go to a land that he didn't know, but he believed

01:37:09.560 that it would be good if he did because he believed God.

01:37:11.680 I think that it's the same way today.

01:37:14.680 Okay.

01:37:15.120 That's, that actually, that gives me a little bit more like, uh, uh, it gives me a little

01:37:20.080 bit more solace when I, when I'm thinking about this, because when I did see, when I,

01:37:23.940 when you talk to people that believe in the little season on Twitter, they're very like

01:37:27.060 hardcore about their beliefs.

01:37:28.000 And it almost does get to that point of, uh, like, I think that this will happen.

01:37:31.920 He'll, he'll come back this way.

01:37:33.720 And then I, that's why my mind starts to think of like this split between, you know, Judaism

01:37:37.400 and Christianity.

01:37:37.860 And I'm like, someone's going to be wrong here and someone's going to be deceived and

01:37:42.160 possibly, you know, written out of this book.

01:37:44.880 And I'm like, we got to get it right.

01:37:46.740 We got to get this right a hundred percent because it's, it's the biggest issue in our

01:37:50.060 time.

01:37:50.340 And especially with this new information being presented, I'm like, I, the people have to

01:37:53.800 hear more of it.

01:37:54.480 I need to hear more of it.

01:37:55.640 And it's got to be the correct answer.

01:37:57.020 Cause when it happens, we have to be on the right side of, on the right side of history.

01:38:01.220 You know, we have to understand what it is.

01:38:03.060 This is the issue of, of leading on our own understanding though.

01:38:06.020 Right.

01:38:06.200 It's like, right now we're in this really weird space where, um, you know, even let's

01:38:11.300 say even the Nephilim thing, right?

01:38:12.560 There's a lot of contention amongst Christians as to whether or not, um, the Nephilim were

01:38:18.040 the offspring of fallen angels, or if we're really just talking about like the line of

01:38:22.200 Seth or something like that.

01:38:23.320 And what I notice is that people, and I'm guilty of this myself, when you're, when somebody

01:38:30.080 comes to you about a topic that's close to you, but with a differentiation, a lot of people

01:38:36.080 almost become combative.

01:38:38.240 And really what I see this is, is just the many lines that divide Christians.

01:38:41.900 And in reality, I do believe that if you believe Jesus Christ came, died for your sins, was

01:38:48.700 resurrected, is the way, the truth, and the life, then this is all going to work out for

01:38:53.400 you.

01:38:53.740 You know what I mean?

01:38:54.500 Like, like, I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to understand.

01:38:58.240 If I did, I wouldn't be doing the things that I am doing.

01:39:00.200 I wouldn't be exploring the topics that I am, but ultimately that connective tissue as Christians

01:39:05.820 should be so much stronger than the very few ways in which we disagree, because really what

01:39:11.080 we're arguing about at the end of the day is minutiae, is minutiae.

01:39:15.520 The overarching fundamental cornerstone to this entire realm is Jesus Christ.

01:39:20.980 If you agree with that, then the rest of it is like debate points.

01:39:24.880 But we've gotten away from that kind of like cheeky debate where like, you know, sometimes

01:39:30.600 somebody will, I'll go off on a tangent about whether or not Donald Trump is the antichrist.

01:39:36.700 And somebody will say, like Josie, the redhead libertarian, she goes, no, Obama's the antichrist.

01:39:43.400 And we're DMing and I go, okay, 50 bucks then.

01:39:46.120 We'll find out at some point who it is.

01:39:47.800 If I'm right, it's 50 bucks for me.

01:39:49.260 If you're right, it's 50 bucks for you.

01:39:50.600 But like, instead for most interactions, it, it boils down to this horrifying thing where

01:39:56.740 like, you know, I'm a shit talker on Twitter.

01:39:58.660 It's, it's what I do, but there's a difference between like, you know, hurling a, a obtuse

01:40:04.680 insult at somebody or calling that person a purposeful deceiver because I have an element

01:40:12.800 that I believe this is what the Nephilim were.

01:40:15.000 This is what I believe that the fall of these did.

01:40:16.740 And, and, and because of that belief, now I am a, you know, I'm some sort of an agent.

01:40:23.000 I'm some sort of an op.

01:40:24.460 And that, I mean, like, you know, if you want to hurl an insult or whatever, people recover

01:40:27.840 from that.

01:40:28.300 But when you start to suspect that everybody is out to subvert you and deceive you and is

01:40:34.680 a false shepherd and all the other, and it's like, I feel like the question should be, do

01:40:40.240 you believe that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the light?

01:40:42.940 If you say yes, then everything else is just debate topics.

01:40:48.340 How do we get there?

01:40:49.440 It's just insane.

01:40:50.460 And I've been experiencing, because I've not been a Christian my entire life.

01:40:54.180 I wasn't raised religious.

01:40:55.240 I came to this on my own accord.

01:40:57.500 And it is a phenomenon within this religious community that I am unfamiliar with.

01:41:03.440 And I would, I imagine that there is a tremendous amount of unity within Christianity as a whole.

01:41:12.400 But the ways in which we're divided are, when you take a step back, they're almost like

01:41:18.500 inconsequential.

01:41:19.640 And I'm not saying that the little season is inconsequential or anything like that, but

01:41:22.200 I'm just saying like the, the, the main focus here is Jesus and everything else seems to

01:41:28.300 be, if you get it right, a bonus.

01:41:30.180 Well, it's like you're, it's, it's more about why than what, right?

01:41:36.180 Like, I think that that's ultimately like that, that if love covers a multitude of sins,

01:41:40.860 it's like, it's your heart is really, it has to be right before God.

01:41:45.060 Like, it's like, you know, because God knows what you could say that you believe, and then

01:41:48.320 you could live like you don't, right?

01:41:50.460 That's, people do it every day.

01:41:51.640 And that's what most people do.

01:41:53.240 They, they, I mean, everybody says they're a Christian in America.

01:41:55.600 Not everybody, but if you know what I'm saying, like in large part, they would say that,

01:41:58.180 well, I'm not Jewish, so I'm definitely Christian.

01:42:00.020 I celebrate Christmas, but ultimately it's like, so why you, why do certain people believe

01:42:05.880 the Nephilim were related to angels?

01:42:08.820 And why do some people believe that they were from the line of Seth and weird stuff like

01:42:12.180 that?

01:42:13.000 I don't know.

01:42:15.100 Like, I think that that's the thing.

01:42:16.100 It's like that I could look at it again.

01:42:18.100 And as I said, you go look at certain churches where I would say like, they're speaking just

01:42:22.880 crazy doctrines that I don't think are biblical at all.

01:42:25.580 And I don't even know how that anybody who does believe could sit in the pews and listen

01:42:29.900 to that.

01:42:30.900 At the same time, I would say like, I see people with the fruits of the spirit living like Jesus

01:42:36.300 told people to live, you know?

01:42:38.240 So I understand like, so why do they believe?

01:42:40.760 Why don't they, so like, so does, would God want me to go argue with those people about

01:42:44.480 doctrine?

01:42:46.080 Of course not.

01:42:47.080 You know, like I said, it's, it's kind of like that.

01:42:49.420 I even think about like the wheat and the tares.

01:42:51.280 So, you know, the parable about like, he's saying like the, that, you know, the, the

01:42:55.500 reapers or the angels are saying, do you want us to go pull them up?

01:42:58.400 And he's like, no, because some of the wheat will come up with them.

01:43:01.040 So it's kind of like when you are trying to point out this heretic and you're trying to

01:43:05.780 fight against them, it's like, you could be pulling up wheat as you undress this person,

01:43:11.280 you know, in front of everybody.

01:43:13.900 Right.

01:43:14.460 It's because it's like, ultimately the wheat will grow and the wheat will obviously go into

01:43:18.500 the barn and they'll go where God said it is.

01:43:20.900 So I think that like, where I've, I've came to this conclusion from, again, like the

01:43:27.360 future's position, not that long ago, like what I ever got to the opinion that I am now

01:43:33.060 by like somebody berating me and say how stupid I am for believing in red heifers and third

01:43:37.720 temples and Antichrist and all this stuff.

01:43:39.760 It's like, no, nobody, you know, it's kind of like, because you have to come to, this

01:43:45.660 idea has to come from you, right?

01:43:47.780 You know, you have to want to do right.

01:43:49.380 You won't have to want to know the truth.

01:43:50.940 And I think that's like the whole thing with like the NPCs and cognitive dissonance.

01:43:55.200 And it's like, you know, that you could lay out a great argument.

01:43:57.500 You could say all the right things.

01:43:58.960 You could slam him.

01:44:00.040 And they would say, no, right.

01:44:02.940 They would, they would call you stupid.

01:44:04.720 Right.

01:44:05.040 And it's like, because it's not, it's not, it's not up here.

01:44:08.080 It's, it's, it's in here is why they don't believe.

01:44:11.120 And I think that's why it's always like, as a Christian, you, you know, people don't remember

01:44:16.940 what you said all more than they remember how they made you made them feel.

01:44:20.580 So like people are going to come around to your opinion when you allow them to, by loving

01:44:26.660 them and like, and not being abrasive about it.

01:44:28.980 I mean, sometimes you have to straight up say like what's right and what's true and it's

01:44:32.140 going to piss people off.

01:44:33.020 But at this, for the most part, you know, like you have to know, like, you know, I think

01:44:38.000 that's like, Jesus is a great example of like when the Pharisees are questioning him

01:44:42.900 and they were questioning, not because they wanted the right answers, because they were trying

01:44:46.120 to trip him up.

01:44:47.400 So how did he treat those people?

01:44:48.480 He talked to them like you would talk to people like that.

01:44:52.020 But when people asked him questions, he really wanted to know and they were wrong.

01:44:56.660 It's like, he would have grace for those people and he'd be patient with those people.

01:45:00.640 We need to do the same thing.

01:45:02.800 And, you know, it's like, but obviously Jesus knew all people.

01:45:04.980 So he's obviously he's the best at knowing what people really wanted out of this conversation.

01:45:11.340 No, but I think that ultimately that's where it comes down to is that, that I think that

01:45:16.340 the more we can show that we're Christians and we want to know the truth, I think that

01:45:20.860 it allows people to potentially come over to our opinion.

01:45:24.620 We know that, yeah, like fighting over who the Nephilim were.

01:45:28.380 It's like the Bible would have put more about the Nephilim in there, like, or it would have

01:45:31.120 been more in the scriptures if it was that important.

01:45:34.380 I do think it's important, but I don't think that it's like...

01:45:37.160 It's not the main focal.

01:45:38.240 It's not the main thing that's important.

01:45:39.240 Yeah, like some people say, like, why isn't there more about angels and Nephilim in the

01:45:42.440 Bible?

01:45:42.720 It's like, because people are fascinated with that and probably not the way that they should

01:45:46.760 be.

01:45:47.760 Because it's like, because that's like, if the pagan nations worship the whole heavenly

01:45:52.800 host, well, you don't want to glorify them.

01:45:56.080 You don't want to give them names.

01:45:57.180 It's funny, like, there's references to certain Nephilim that I could say they're named, but there's...

01:46:03.920 Have you ever noticed that, like, in the Bible, there's no fallen angels' names in the Bible?

01:46:08.280 I mean, there's names of other gods, but, like, there's not...

01:46:11.680 Even, like, the only two even good angels in the Bible are Michael and Gabriel.

01:46:17.560 There's no other angels mentioned by name, probably because people are fascinated with

01:46:22.520 that topic.

01:46:23.060 But, I mean, that being said, it's like, yeah, that I think that, for the most part, that

01:46:28.340 there are certain things about the little season, that scripturally, that I believe and I will

01:46:34.500 defend and I will argue about if people want to.

01:46:38.680 But I don't believe in arguing about things we don't really know.

01:46:42.100 Like, you know, it's like, I'll argue, I'll defend things that I think they're worth defending,

01:46:45.100 but, like, that I don't want to argue about my theory against you.

01:46:49.900 You know, I might try to convince you, and if you want to talk about it, we can talk about

01:46:53.280 it.

01:46:53.760 But I don't think we should argue about things that we don't know, for sure.

01:46:56.800 Right.

01:46:57.520 And I don't think we should argue about our theories.

01:46:59.120 I don't think we should argue about things we think.

01:47:01.780 You know, we could talk about it.

01:47:02.980 We could discuss it.

01:47:03.680 And I think that, obviously, if it's in love, it's fine.

01:47:06.240 But yeah, like, when people get mad about, like, things, and I just, I think that's what

01:47:10.360 frustrates me most about, like, academia and, like, the pro-science people.

01:47:15.880 And they are, they present their theories like they're facts.

01:47:18.680 And then they'll die to argue about it.

01:47:22.600 And I was like, I would rather people say, this is my best guess.

01:47:27.360 And then, yeah, like, and just leave it at that.

01:47:30.180 And if people don't want to fight, you want to fight about it, it's not worth it.

01:47:33.240 I think that makes a lot of sense, too.

01:47:35.300 Because if you look at academia, I don't know about you, but I know a lot of people echo

01:47:38.680 these sentiments.

01:47:39.400 It's like, the more that we learn, the more I realize how little I know.

01:47:44.820 So I don't know.

01:47:45.680 I don't think that that stops.

01:47:47.200 I think it continues on.

01:47:48.580 Shout out to Lucas R.

01:47:49.420 Thank you, by the way, for the $2 donation.

01:47:50.860 He says, we need JT and Ed in the same room.

01:47:53.360 Ed has no interest in debating.

01:47:55.800 And I think that that would make it.

01:47:57.720 That's what I'm saying.

01:47:58.440 So it would make a great conversation.

01:48:00.320 It would be tremendous.

01:48:01.200 You guys would really like each other.

01:48:03.680 But, you know, I don't think that that feeling stops.

01:48:06.660 The more you learn, the more you realize you don't know.

01:48:09.420 I think that only gets worse.

01:48:10.660 It seems like the more I learn, you know, the more that gets worse.

01:48:13.780 So this idea that, you know, you have some sort of accolade and that makes you an authority

01:48:19.880 on a topic and that information is irrefutable, especially when we watch academia get tore

01:48:24.840 down every generation.

01:48:25.600 Right.

01:48:25.940 Well, yeah.

01:48:26.300 Like, science is the idea of, like, they're trying to disprove things that they think that

01:48:30.380 they know.

01:48:30.880 And it's like, but they don't present it like that.

01:48:32.920 I love what you said because we bring that up often.

01:48:35.820 I think it's in 1 Corinthians 3.

01:48:37.420 It's like that Paul basically says, be willing to become a fool so you can become wise.

01:48:42.080 Oh, my God.

01:48:42.660 Yeah.

01:48:42.920 I'm still in the stage.

01:48:44.540 So obviously, but I think that that's obviously what we mean is, like, that I know and I think

01:48:50.020 that, like, when I read the book of Revelation for years, I would think, okay, got it.

01:48:56.000 And then I'd read it again and I would be like, wait a minute.

01:48:58.360 Maybe I've got it completely wrong.

01:48:59.980 Like, you know, that's the book that kind of does that to you because maybe I think

01:49:03.140 because I did have it wrong.

01:49:04.020 But it's the willingness to admit that you don't know it is that God can reveal things

01:49:11.140 to you and teach you.

01:49:12.500 I mean, like I said, because if you said you knew it all, like you said, oh, I got the

01:49:16.280 Bible completely figured out.

01:49:17.320 Well, you'd never learn a thing after that.

01:49:19.480 Right.

01:49:19.560 And so if you say that, like, you will never learn anything else.

01:49:22.180 But if you say that, here's what I think right now, and don't trust me, like I like to tell

01:49:28.500 people, go read it yourself, go look into this yourself, then I believe that that's how

01:49:33.300 God can correct you.

01:49:35.100 And then I can actually come to you later and say, you know what?

01:49:37.280 I actually said that a while back.

01:49:39.340 Even like, here's a good example.

01:49:40.400 And I'm sure that you hear this a lot.

01:49:41.880 Everyone says the days of Noah.

01:49:44.040 So when Jesus returns, it'll be like the days of Noah.

01:49:46.620 So what does that mean?

01:49:47.280 There's going to be like Nephilim and everything.

01:49:48.560 There's going to be giants everywhere.

01:49:49.500 Well, that's the kind of thing that people who make movies like Ancient Angels would tell

01:49:54.700 you.

01:49:55.320 Oh, yeah.

01:49:55.640 Well, there's going to be genetic manipulation.

01:49:57.880 There's going to be giants.

01:49:58.720 There's going to be dinosaurs.

01:49:59.860 There's going to be like dragons and coolest things.

01:50:03.220 Except Jesus doesn't say that.

01:50:04.700 He actually just says in the day, just like in the days of Noah, people will be drinking,

01:50:08.840 marrying, giving into marriage, and then it rained.

01:50:11.720 And then the flood came.

01:50:13.540 And so he wasn't saying like the Nephilim were going to be back.

01:50:17.540 It doesn't mean that they weren't back.

01:50:19.240 It just means that that's not what his point was, his point where people were not going

01:50:23.260 to be ready for judgment.

01:50:25.720 And so like I've said that before.

01:50:27.440 And I said, yeah, like it'll be like the days of Noah.

01:50:29.620 So you're thinking like, obviously, all the weird stuff that's happening, you could explain

01:50:33.300 as this is biblical prophecy.

01:50:34.820 But that's not what he meant.

01:50:35.860 And so we actually had a really cool, so I've been doing a segment on the podcast recently

01:50:42.420 called JT's Mixtape.

01:50:43.940 And I've been playing a lot of interesting videos and I'm just discussing them afterwards.

01:50:49.520 But I found this really cool clip from this older pastor.

01:50:53.380 Gosh.

01:50:53.720 I'm not trying to be rude, but he looked really old and he was up there and he said, I've

01:50:58.940 had to rethink the book of Revelation.

01:51:01.060 And I thought, you know what?

01:51:03.620 Whether I agree with him or not, I thought that is awesome because it's like, you know

01:51:08.000 how humbling that's got to be?

01:51:09.800 You know how much of a humble man you'd have to be to get up after you've been preaching

01:51:13.700 for, just say, 30 years, 40 years in a church.

01:51:18.160 You know what, guys?

01:51:19.720 I might have been really wrong about all the things I've been telling you.

01:51:22.640 And then he gets up and he tells him what God has spoke to him.

01:51:26.400 And I think like, dang, I guess that's how I want to be.

01:51:29.280 I want to be able to come one day and say like, you know what?

01:51:32.740 I got to rethink of all the things I just told you on that last podcast because God just

01:51:37.060 told me that I was not correct.

01:51:39.220 Right.

01:51:39.760 I think if you're in this game.

01:51:40.740 On the last show we just did.

01:51:41.940 Go ahead, Tap.

01:51:42.340 On the last show we did with Ed Mabry and John Lenhart a couple of days ago, we diagnosed

01:51:48.160 that as one of the major problems in America where we're talking about the left and right

01:51:52.040 political divide where I'm like, what do you do with these 71 million people who voted

01:51:56.040 for this person who believed X, Y, Z, which is not based in reality?

01:52:01.340 And he's like, I don't know.

01:52:03.280 You know, these people, there might not be a way to change their mind.

01:52:06.180 There's no coming back for a lot of them.

01:52:08.500 And it's that same idea.

01:52:10.000 It's like, this is what I do, how I live my life is like, I have these ideas, but I'm

01:52:13.980 willing to let them die.

01:52:15.060 And I've let a lot of ideas die because they're not me.

01:52:18.180 They're just something that I was thinking.

01:52:20.520 And like, I'm holding this thing and this looks pretty nice, but I'm presented evidence

01:52:24.300 that's better.

01:52:24.760 And I say, you know, I got to put that down and I'll pick up the next thing.

01:52:27.720 And maybe this is it, but I'm not putting this inside of myself.

01:52:30.360 This is just something that I'm carrying with me.

01:52:32.380 And yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a form of humility because in a sense, it feels like a part of

01:52:37.400 you is dying, but it's not a part of you.

01:52:39.240 It's, these are externalities that we're looking at, we're observing.

01:52:43.660 And that's really all that it is.

01:52:45.980 And I think that the nature of trying to understand the truth that's been hidden means that you

01:52:51.720 will be wrong so many times on the way to the truth.

01:52:55.320 So in hindsight, I've been doing this for a long time.

01:52:59.220 And I guess what I mean to say is I've been wrong for a long time.

01:53:02.540 I've been wrong so many times, like my batting record for being, I've, I've been experiencing

01:53:08.200 some vindication lately, uh, you know, with like sort of the Trump stuff that's going on, but

01:53:13.220 that is a nice little relief off the back of like 16 years of being wrong.

01:53:19.340 So, I mean, you know, if you're not willing to admit that you're wrong, um, more often than

01:53:23.940 you're right, one of two things is happening.

01:53:25.420 Either you're, you're kidding yourself or you're not really pursuing anything.

01:53:30.580 It's easy to not be, you can be correct if you're not taking any leaps and trying to understand

01:53:36.140 things.

01:53:36.560 If you're just sitting still and you have the same, uh, ideas, then, you know, and this

01:53:41.660 is, yeah, this is a great one because we discovered, uh, somewhere along the line that

01:53:46.020 retardio, uh, actually means return to God, which is hilarious because we call ourselves

01:53:52.300 retards all the time on this show.

01:53:54.420 And we don't mean that necessarily in a way to besmirch, uh, mentally handicapped people.

01:53:58.500 It's just a way to constantly humble ourselves and be like, we don't know what we're talking

01:54:02.540 about.

01:54:03.220 And we'd never demean them by comparing you guys to them.

01:54:07.380 We'd never do that.

01:54:09.740 We'd never do that.

01:54:11.020 But yeah, I mean, you know, there's something to be said about, um, being in a state of mind

01:54:15.760 where you're, you're okay.

01:54:16.840 And like Top says, your ideas aren't you, you know what I mean?

01:54:20.500 If you would say that none of your ideas are you.

01:54:24.080 That's true.

01:54:24.540 Yeah.

01:54:25.000 Well, I think that, I think that obviously you guys having a public platform like I've

01:54:30.780 had, and I think that, you know, I've said this and I remember I did a podcast, one of

01:54:35.900 the first podcasts I did talking about the little season with my friends, uh, at the question

01:54:40.120 in the narrative podcast.

01:54:41.180 And we talked about the biblical cosmology.

01:54:44.660 So when I first started making videos, obviously I was a ball earther, you know, I'd make fun

01:54:49.060 of flat earthers and stuff like that.

01:54:50.700 And, and then we talked with the little season and I basically just said like that, you know,

01:54:55.960 if, if God said I needed to know everything before I started making videos, like, well,

01:55:00.300 then obviously I would never would have made any videos, you know?

01:55:02.940 So it's kind of like that if you don't ever take a step out the door, but I do think it's

01:55:06.280 kind of like, I love like maybe comparing it to like the apostle Peter, Peter was wrong

01:55:12.560 a lot in the Bible.

01:55:13.660 And he's most openly like that God, you know, Jesus is rebuking him and trying to correct

01:55:18.020 him.

01:55:18.160 But like Peter was zealous in the way that he, it was like, he wanted to do good.

01:55:23.280 And he was like trying to run before he could walk.

01:55:26.400 And I think that in that way, like that God obviously, you know, like Jesus knew that

01:55:30.060 he was going to use him later, even like all the things, all the bad parts about him.

01:55:33.820 He was going to use that boldness to eventually to, to further the kingdom.

01:55:38.040 And I think that like, in the same way that, yeah, like I've been wrong on very big videos.

01:55:45.340 I've had videos that I was like, had videos going viral on TikTok and I'd take them down

01:55:48.860 because I knew I realized I got stuff wrong in them and it's tough.

01:55:52.040 It's really humbling to do that.

01:55:53.780 Like to say that, oh, you know, this is going to really make my platform bigger.

01:55:57.360 But like, I don't really like what I said.

01:55:59.760 And then, and then obviously I started my platform off talking about end time stuff.

01:56:04.220 And then I had to say like, you know what?

01:56:05.580 I think I was wrong about a lot of that stuff.

01:56:07.780 And now that I said that, it's like, I'm here now with a, you know, a decent sized platform

01:56:14.480 on my podcast.

01:56:15.180 And it's like, I remember that, that I've been wrong.

01:56:19.960 I probably am wrong about certain things, but I'm trying, I try to be more careful about

01:56:23.600 the way I, I, I present the information to say like that, you know, I do try to leave

01:56:28.780 the caveats of like, that I could be wrong.

01:56:30.760 Um, this is my best idea.

01:56:32.220 And some people actually get mad at me for, for leaving a room that I could, that I don't

01:56:36.380 have it all perfectly.

01:56:37.400 They're saying, oh, he's still, he's hedging.

01:56:39.800 Yeah.

01:56:40.220 I'm like, I'm cause, cause I, cause I really don't know for sure.

01:56:43.820 And I'm trying to say like that there's a few things that I do and I said, I will, I'd

01:56:47.880 be willing to die for.

01:56:49.580 But then there's a lot of things that I'm just like, I'm just like everybody else who

01:56:53.900 listen to this podcast.

01:56:55.520 I was, I want to know what's true and I'm doing it open.

01:56:59.400 I'm kind of like, you're seeing my journey more openly and I'm trying my best.

01:57:03.580 And I think that, I think obviously that I would rather go to God one day and saying

01:57:08.740 like that, that I tried to do my best and I tried to lead people to you more than I tried

01:57:14.880 to prove that I was right about things.

01:57:18.440 And I think that's a, that reflects in, in your following.

01:57:22.080 I think it reflects in your material.

01:57:23.660 I think it reflects in what you're doing.

01:57:25.420 Like the, the humility of asking these questions, being willing to be wrong.

01:57:30.300 People see that.

01:57:31.280 That's why you've, you've got, I follow you on, uh, on Instagram and your community, your

01:57:35.800 Christian chat community.

01:57:36.960 And I see what's going on there.

01:57:38.440 You see the reactions and the amount of people.

01:57:40.460 They like that.

01:57:41.300 They like the authenticity of it.

01:57:42.900 Something about that.

01:57:43.840 They're not getting it, you know, elsewhere.

01:57:45.800 So you're doing the right thing.

01:57:47.880 Yeah.

01:57:48.420 Continue that, man.

01:57:50.180 Thank you, brother.

01:57:51.440 But, uh, I, listen, we've had you almost two hours.

01:57:54.180 So, uh, let's bring this thing in for a landing because I'm tired.

01:57:56.780 This is our second show of the day.

01:57:57.960 We're working overtime, baby.

01:57:59.300 You guys, you guys are monsters getting this done.

01:58:01.780 We're trying.

01:58:02.460 We're trying.

01:58:03.280 Um, one more time, JT, for the people, where can they find your work?

01:58:06.840 And especially guys, uh, JT is working on his Twitter page.

01:58:10.240 So make sure you go and follow at J, uh, JT follows JC on Twitter, but where else can they

01:58:14.800 get you?

01:58:15.920 Yeah.

01:58:16.300 I mean, that's pretty much how I go on every platform.

01:58:19.520 So you can find me on Facebook.

01:58:21.540 I'm still over on Facebook.

01:58:23.300 And, um, yeah, you know, Facebook is actually more kind to me and my friends who started

01:58:29.800 on Tik TOK, but yeah, I'm Joe Telford over there.

01:58:32.800 But I mean, like you see on like my, my YouTube channel right there, I have a link tree.

01:58:36.840 You can find me on Instagram, on Tik TOK.

01:58:40.760 You can find me on rumble.

01:58:42.260 You know, I'm on my podcast, decoding Babylon's on, on Spotify and Apple podcasts.

01:58:49.660 I'm pretty much on all the things, but yeah, I've been trying to grow the X platform just

01:58:53.660 a little bit more just because they are a little more lenient on what we can say.

01:58:58.180 I see.

01:58:58.680 And you know what, man, people, so this is out, this is out to your audience right now.

01:59:02.260 Like a huge number of people shout out to these guys cause they're beast.

01:59:05.380 Um, but, uh, yeah, follow them on, on X because you're putting your, your reels up there and

01:59:11.580 I'd love to see them at the level of like, uh, Ian Carroll type, because they are that

01:59:15.540 type of quality.

01:59:16.600 It just takes a while to build the following and it's discouraging at first, but once you

01:59:20.680 start to get this ball rolling, I think Twitter or X is where the, the real conversation is

01:59:25.420 happening in a real way.

01:59:27.580 So follow him there.

01:59:28.420 Cause we need a player like you on that field, moving the, the dialogue back and forth.

01:59:33.720 Otherwise it's just me and David being retarded.

01:59:36.940 No, I, I, I'm, I'm encouraged by like the fact that, yeah, I said, you know, we, my, actually

01:59:43.540 a friend of mine just got banned on Tik TOK at 470,000 followers.

01:59:47.020 It's a bit of a slip.

01:59:47.960 And I was like, yeah, that hurts.

01:59:50.540 And I, and I got banned at like two 17 and Tik TOK sucks.

01:59:54.280 I mean, it's just like, it's like, who knows what you can say on that platform.

01:59:57.700 They, they probably just don't want to pay somebody.

01:59:59.420 So they, they ban them.

02:00:00.320 But that being said, I'm surprised what you can say on Tik on, on, on X.

02:00:05.660 So I'm like, you know what, why wouldn't I, you know, so the, I think some of the fun

02:00:09.940 parts is like that I've, cause I do have a lower following and sometimes on my other

02:00:13.380 bigger platforms, I'm worried about what I can say.

02:00:15.620 And I'm like kind of playing with house money here.

02:00:17.960 I was going to put the stuff, you know, so I put stuff on rumble that I don't want to

02:00:21.460 put on YouTube, but I'll put stuff on X that I'm like, you know what, this would probably

02:00:25.280 get me in trouble on other app, but I'll roll the dice.

02:00:28.420 You can kind of move some things around.

02:00:29.900 There's a lot of material that we don't put on our YouTube at Nephilim Death Squad, but

02:00:33.880 we do put on our rumble at Nephilim Death Squad.

02:00:36.500 So, so it'd be nice to have a, it would be nice to have a place where we could just do

02:00:39.920 everything and just, that would be nice.

02:00:41.500 Well, that's what's coming.

02:00:42.280 X is going to be the everything app.

02:00:43.920 I know.

02:00:44.160 That's what, that's what I'm hoping.

02:00:45.500 I'm hoping that's true.

02:00:45.800 We're just so excited.

02:00:46.800 One world currency, one world social media.

02:00:48.820 It's going to be amazing.

02:00:49.760 We'll put the chip in our head.

02:00:51.040 Yeah.

02:00:51.400 You have to have a chip in your hand, but you'll be able to say whatever you want on X.

02:00:55.460 Or maybe like you'll get that neural link and then you'll be able to say whatever

02:00:58.220 and it'll be fine.

02:00:59.260 Yeah.

02:00:59.400 But if you cross the line, instead of demonetizing you, they're just going to electrocute you.

02:01:04.140 All right, guys.

02:01:07.020 All right.

02:01:07.220 Let's bring it in.

02:01:07.920 Thank you so much.

02:01:08.920 That's a great place to leave it.

02:01:09.480 Yeah.

02:01:09.740 Yeah.

02:01:10.860 Thank you, JT.

02:01:11.780 Thank you for your fans for hanging out.

02:01:12.980 These guys are awesome.

02:01:13.900 They remind me of our community because I see them talking to each other.

02:01:16.600 This is, it's encouraging to see that there's so many people out there that are thinking

02:01:19.760 in the same way, but thanks for coming to the show.

02:01:22.220 This has been Nephilim Death Squad.

02:01:23.440 We probably have another show coming next week or this week.

02:01:26.140 I don't know.

02:01:27.740 For sure.

02:01:28.300 Find out.

02:01:28.820 Find out like the rest of us.

02:01:30.080 We'll see you guys later.

02:01:31.060 Peace out.

02:01:31.480 Peace out.

02:01:32.180 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:01:39.280 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:01:43.020 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see,

02:01:47.620 because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

02:01:55.120 happening.

02:01:56.260 And they have.

02:01:58.300 And they have.

02:01:59.380 Okay.

02:01:59.400 And then they have to impact their eyes and I see the wonder.

02:02:00.600 Now, where are we?

02:02:01.780 It's crazy?

02:02:03.100 There's some wondered.

02:02:08.000 We'll be infrastructures.

02:02:08.260 Things like that.

02:02:08.820 All right.

02:02:09.880 All right.

Nephilim Death Squad - December 02, 2024

085： The Enigma of the Little Season： History, Faith, and Deception w⧸ JTFollowsJC

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