Nephilim Death Squad - 128： The Catcher in the Rye w⧸ William Ramsey

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00:04:01.060 Today, joining us once again is William Ramsey.

00:04:04.400 For those of you who might not be familiar with the last episode,

00:04:08.980 William, can you fill them in on where they can find your work and what it is that you focus on?

00:04:14.000 Yeah, I have a podcast titled William Ramsey Investigates.

00:04:17.760 I would say I'm just kind of a newer version of an investigative journalist.

00:04:22.100 So, my podcast is in the top 0.5% in the world.

00:04:27.900 I have five books that you can find on Amazon or my website, which is showing now.

00:04:32.480 And then I have five documentaries on Crowley and Smiley Face Killers and Occult Hollywood on my Patreon,

00:04:42.020 which you can just watch.

00:04:43.500 It's $5 a month.

00:04:44.520 You can watch those at your leisure if you're interested.

00:04:46.640 But I do a wide variety of different topics and subjects, so it's hard to pinpoint it.

00:04:54.760 I was scoping through your feed recently.

00:04:57.680 We do a show with Clint Russell, and I was like,

00:05:01.000 you know who probably has good information on this?

00:05:03.020 William Ramsey.

00:05:03.760 And I went and I looked, and I was like, of course he's got good information.

00:05:05.820 It was something about the cartels and their association with America and things like that,

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00:05:15.520 It's like an encyclopedia of conspiracy, if I may.

00:05:20.700 An encyclopedia of stuff that will put you on a list.

00:05:24.920 Yes.

00:05:25.680 Yeah, no question about it.

00:05:26.700 But I think that it's kind of, I tried to make my content evergreen so that people like you can go back

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00:05:41.640 So I think that they're still relevant, and they're kind of little timestamps of my research at any given time.

00:05:48.780 Yeah, it's amazing how not only are they relevant, but some might even be more relevant today than they were when you probably recorded it.

00:05:56.180 So definitely a good, it's a resource.

00:05:58.200 If you're a conspiracy theorist, I would use your podcast as like a major resource to figure out like a little roadmap of where we're going.

00:06:06.900 It's interesting you say that, because even this topic that we're going to talk about today, the Catcher in the Rye,

00:06:11.680 has changed since I first started researching it, which was another timestamp of April 2024,

00:06:16.740 where I had a dispute with a guy online about Catcher in the Rye and Mark David Chapman.

00:06:21.740 And he had said, there's not that much of a relationship between Catcher in the Rye and him.

00:06:26.160 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:06:27.780 So I went and did a show in 2024, Catcher's in the Rye, where I kind of went in detail,

00:06:33.580 which is kind of the basis of this presentation.

00:06:36.080 But in that timeframe, you had all these strange killed people, crooks in Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:06:43.920 Yeah, Ruth, a very strange person, very much out of the kind of same playbook as Mark David Chapman from Hawaii,

00:06:51.720 literally a stone's throw from where Chapman supposedly, quote, worked, unquote.

00:06:56.640 And traveling around the world with like suspicious, how are you getting all this money for airfare?

00:07:01.900 So that's another guy.

00:07:02.980 Ruth pops up.

00:07:04.100 This is still current.

00:07:05.220 Like they're still talking about it.

00:07:06.380 Like what's going on with like Trump's trying to get information from the Secret Service.

00:07:11.280 And then Mangione, right, in New York City.

00:07:14.880 This Mangione who shot the health care CEO at 7 a.m. in the morning.

00:07:20.960 Like how did he know where he was at any given time, which is a real question.

00:07:25.120 But Mangione is another interesting character with the Hawaii tie.

00:07:28.060 So I'm just kind of back bolstering what you just said.

00:07:31.420 Like some of these things take different permutations over time as more information or new things happen.

00:07:36.380 Don't tell me that Mangione was reading this book.

00:07:41.180 Well, he Mangione was in New York City and literally they found his belongings in Central Park that ties in.

00:07:52.020 It's a very strange tie.

00:07:53.160 Like if people don't know the narrative of Catcher on the Rye, it's about a young man named Holden Caulfield.

00:07:58.640 He gets kicked out of his fourth, you know, school prep school.

00:08:04.180 It's fake.

00:08:04.760 Pensy's fake doesn't exist.

00:08:05.940 But he's going back to New York City to his family.

00:08:08.460 And it's kind of like his adventures in New York City.

00:08:12.760 Mangione's in New York City.

00:08:14.360 The end of Catcher on the Rye takes place.

00:08:16.120 And you'll see that on the cover, this one cover that I have.

00:08:19.120 It's the carousel.

00:08:20.360 And apparently Mangione's belongings were found at the carousel in Central Park.

00:08:25.680 That's right.

00:08:26.480 That's right.

00:08:27.060 That's a strange.

00:08:28.040 I don't like the word.

00:08:30.660 He's got all the indicators of somebody who went through a very severe, serious personality change.

00:08:37.260 If you look through the background of Mangione, he was like the head of his class.

00:08:41.100 Yeah.

00:08:41.240 At a prep school.

00:08:42.020 So you see these weird overties and how we'll get into this.

00:08:46.180 This is if you have if you're if you're psychologically maybe a little frail today or something like this is not the show for you.

00:08:55.280 Because we're going to go to some places that are and it's probably perfect like your intro people being hypnotized.

00:09:02.460 This is the theme of what we're going to what I'm going to relate to you, which is these kind of overlap laughing things.

00:09:08.080 And I've said on other shows.

00:09:10.800 The real Rosetta Stone for the 20th century is hypnotization.

00:09:14.120 It really is.

00:09:14.900 It's unbelievable.

00:09:15.780 You wouldn't believe it.

00:09:16.560 But so many events and so much TV and repetitive phrases and all these things people are being exposed to goes all the way back really almost to like the turn of the century with Rasputin used hypnotization.

00:09:32.000 He knew how to go into deeper stage of consciousness that, you know, this was his involvement influenced the Romanov downfall and the fall of Nicholas II.

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00:09:48.140 So that whole, you know, the Russian Revolution was just bloody as all that guy. 0.91

00:09:52.640 Hitler knew hypnotization, Hanusen and all these other magicians. 0.92

00:09:57.180 And yeah, it's been brought to my attention that the the that Hitler had a real fascination with hypnotism.

00:10:05.100 And and I think Mengele was doing quite a bit of research in in people with central heterochromia, which is this idea that there's a second ring of color within your eye.

00:10:19.660 I don't know what he suspected of it.

00:10:22.020 People suspect that it was something that the Gates program, that MKUltra and that the Nazis were looking for or that at least Mengele was looking for.

00:10:30.780 I don't know too much about it.

00:10:32.020 I just know that he allegedly was injecting dumps of of adrenaline into the eyes of his victims to see how the adrenaline played with with that disposition of central heterochromia.

00:10:45.180 But we just did an episode where, you know, we're talking all about Kubrick and certainly this like hypnotic aspect that so many people who are in that industry, who look to Kubrick as the example, then set out and try to accomplish themselves.

00:11:03.120 And that is like telling a story behind the story and and not telling it to the the conscious mind, but telling it to the unconscious mind.

00:11:11.760 Right. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's kind of the potency and power of film, really, is that you're in a kind of a environment without external stimuli and somebody something's coming at you and they can do some pretty incredible stuff.

00:11:29.120 But Kubrick probably knew a lot about that.

00:11:31.280 I'm sure he did. I know he did because he put it in his films.

00:11:34.380 So how do we want to start then, William, with this idea of Catcher in the Rye and how it seemingly connects all these events that are taking place in not only real time, but in our own history as a country?

00:11:46.820 Can we can we start at like what the book is?

00:11:48.620 I know that I've read it, but I forgot everything in junior high school.

00:11:52.800 So it's that alone is MKUltra, right? 0.97

00:11:55.580 It's like we were given this shit in junior high school to read and then like nobody really could. 0.93

00:12:00.920 Some people do remember it, but most people are like, I don't know. 0.99

00:12:03.180 I cheated on it. I used some website to give me cliff notes and I don't remember it at all.

00:12:08.720 None of it.

00:12:09.520 I remember it being there, but I remember reading it and going.

00:12:12.620 I don't really understand. This is just kind of like a kid going through trouble.

00:12:16.660 Like I couldn't comprehend it.

00:12:17.960 I did another rereading at my age, 56, after reading a lot about MKUltra and a lot of this kind of secret, you know, secret knowledge of the U.S. government.

00:12:29.240 And this book is a shock to me as reading it as an adult.

00:12:33.180 I'm in shock that it's even given to children.

00:12:36.340 And the reason why it's there is another thing.

00:12:38.260 It was originally published in 1951.

00:12:40.280 The author is J.D. Salinger, who is an intelligent like this.

00:12:43.900 His history is all very well confirmed.

00:12:45.540 He was an intel.

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00:13:28.960 Guy in the military in World War II.

00:13:32.320 He was in one of the landings in Normandy.

00:13:35.500 And his job, once he got into France, was to ferret out kind of intel officers.

00:13:41.780 And so he was directly involved in kind of like solving all these problems in France, right?

00:13:48.160 Where the Nazis were and people were getting killed.

00:13:50.920 So he actually ended up in a mental institution.

00:13:53.780 And they called it back then.

00:13:55.160 They didn't call it PTSD.

00:13:56.460 They called it shell shock or like something military shock.

00:13:59.580 He was involved in the Battle of the Bulge, if you remember that.

00:14:02.720 So Salinger is writing it.

00:14:04.960 Apparently, I was told that he had parts of this book when he was in World War II.

00:14:10.500 And then this gets published in 1951.

00:14:13.540 And this is really the beginnings of the Cold War, right?

00:14:15.840 So this is a time when this publication takes place.

00:14:20.140 And since it's been published, this book has sold, this is confirmed, 60 million copies worldwide.

00:14:26.940 So it's an incredible peak of literature.

00:14:32.380 And a lot of people view this as Holden Caulfield is almost kind of like an antihero.

00:14:38.480 Like he's somebody to be emulated.

00:14:43.480 Like you can identify with him.

00:14:45.140 And that's the way it's sold, is this alienated young 16-year-old kid.

00:14:49.540 Has this book been banned from public schools?

00:14:52.120 I think that was recent.

00:14:53.460 Yes.

00:14:53.860 There was a dispute when it was first published that it shouldn't be in the school.

00:14:57.340 So there was kind of like a moral outrage.

00:15:00.280 And it's justified because almost every kind of dirty theme is involved in this book in the language of the 50s.

00:15:08.180 And so like today's, I mean, today now with what's going on, this book is, pales in comparison to like what's going on today.

00:15:15.500 But back at that time, this was like a very, there's like pedophilia, the professors hitting on him.

00:15:21.480 But Holden Caulfield, a call for people who don't know, call, C-A-U-L, is usually when a baby is birthed.

00:15:28.660 If there's a call, it's like a piece of the placenta over the face.

00:15:31.660 It was considered a sign of a blessing.

00:15:33.820 And that the child would be either special or have second sight or something like that.

00:15:39.180 So that's the use of the name.

00:15:41.100 And I think all of the names that are used in the book are for reference.

00:15:44.860 They're not in the state.

00:15:45.720 They're not like random names.

00:15:47.560 So Holden Caulfield, hold on to your call.

00:15:50.940 And the field references the catcher and the rye, right?

00:15:53.700 So the rye is the rye field.

00:15:55.580 So there's a very deep attachment psychologically between the character and this concept that goes through the book,

00:16:03.740 this notion of the rye, which is actually a misreading of Robert Burns.

00:16:08.440 He's a famous UK or British, actually, I think he's Scottish, poet.

00:16:14.920 And it's a misreading of, I think, going through the rye.

00:16:19.120 So what you see about Holden is that he's misinterpreting things outside.

00:16:24.420 And there's very profound psychological things going on with him.

00:16:29.520 He ends up in a mental institution, by the way.

00:16:31.660 The last chapter, 26, is him in a mental institution with his brother.

00:16:34.760 I don't know where his sister is, Phoebe, or his parents.

00:16:38.880 So we kind of see his mother, but his dad is kind of a distant figure.

00:16:43.380 It's almost kind of like the Disney movies where the dad isn't even involved in anything with the kids.

00:16:51.000 So there's no parental thing.

00:16:52.480 And the mother comes and goes.

00:16:54.040 She's seen as kind of a nervous Nellie.

00:16:55.740 But his sister is really kind of his idea.

00:16:59.180 He really loves his sister.

00:17:01.460 And there's very disturbing kind of, well, to me, disturbing things about his sister who's 10.

00:17:07.160 And he, like, touches her inappropriately.

00:17:09.780 They dance together.

00:17:11.160 Kind of like somebody who's more romantic than a sister.

00:17:15.500 Like four dances together.

00:17:16.660 So this is at the end of the book.

00:17:18.720 And then she wants to run away with him.

00:17:21.820 So that's kind of basically, you know, it's kind of a, they call it a Bildungsroman.

00:17:26.000 It's kind of like the literary term of a coming of age book.

00:17:29.660 So there's an element to that in this.

00:17:32.220 Or a suggestion that it is a coming of age.

00:17:34.680 Even though he's not really, you know, it's not over time.

00:17:38.160 It just takes place over three or four days.

00:17:40.160 But the reference to David Copperfield, which is Dickens really is a Bildungsroman, it starts out at the beginning.

00:17:48.240 So Holden is actually very smart.

00:17:50.900 He aces his English classes but fails everything else. 0.85

00:17:56.040 And he's kind of a bungler, too.

00:17:57.420 Like, he was supposed to go, I think it was the lacrosse club. 0.90

00:18:02.440 Like, he left his, all of the material for his sports team.

00:18:08.140 And that, and he forgot it somewhere.

00:18:10.500 So he, like, that's how it starts off.

00:18:12.460 And then he's getting kicked out of school.

00:18:14.200 But there's very, like, strange things that, repetitive statements, which we'll see kind of later with some of these MKUltra assassins, do the same thing that he's doing in this book.

00:18:25.980 So he repeats phrases over and over.

00:18:28.800 In the very beginning of the book, you will, you will, you will.

00:18:31.800 He also wears this red hat, which we'll see in the slides, which I think at first glance is just a standard kind of weird hat.

00:18:40.120 But he calls it the human hunting hat.

00:18:42.960 And he puts it on.

00:18:44.420 So he, like, walks around with this human hunting hat.

00:18:47.480 And he does, one of the famous lines of the book is, where do the ducks go in Central Park?

00:18:52.860 He doesn't know, he doesn't understand that when the winter comes, the ducks will fly south, right, to go somewhere.

00:19:00.080 He's, he really is asking people through the book.

00:19:02.880 So you'll see this kind of visualization in this.

00:19:05.880 He's also in the care of a psychoanalyst, which is.

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00:20:01.680 Kind of timely, I guess, for that time.

00:20:09.000 Maybe it was more rare back then.

00:20:11.640 But he does things without acknowledging it.

00:20:15.100 So he, and you'll see the narrative, there's very kind of clever literary things where he has post past tense.

00:20:22.400 He, the author's mixing tenses of present and past very casually.

00:20:27.600 And he also, Holden does things he doesn't know what he's doing.

00:20:32.240 So he, like, he does violent things, breaks windows.

00:20:34.520 I didn't know what I was doing. 0.85

00:20:36.020 They repeat this word, madman. 0.99

00:20:38.120 He thinks of himself as a madman. 0.56

00:20:40.260 Like, I think it's probably 20 times in the book.

00:20:43.140 So it's this suggestion that he isn't well.

00:20:46.520 And he's not well.

00:20:47.580 Like, this is not like a guy going through problems.

00:20:50.600 This is a guy who is, I think the real, the real word would be schizophrenic.

00:20:55.240 Like, he doesn't attach to the external world like other people do.

00:20:59.140 So he's operating.

00:20:59.660 How old is he supposed to be in this book?

00:21:01.940 Pardon me?

00:21:02.620 How old is he in this book?

00:21:03.420 16.

00:21:04.100 16.

00:21:05.980 He depersonalizes everybody else.

00:21:08.800 So he's very negative.

00:21:10.960 So he, everybody's a phony and all this other stuff. 0.74

00:21:13.880 Like, they're all, everything's fake.

00:21:15.880 And I guess at a cursory topical reading, that's kind of, okay, cool.

00:21:21.320 That's the way people feel about humanity or whatever at that age.

00:21:24.920 But it's something more profound where he's like, these are just other people.

00:21:29.380 These are not like, you know, I don't care.

00:21:32.320 He doesn't assess their personality as real beings.

00:21:35.360 And he kind of, like, passes through these different phases.

00:21:38.680 It's very strange.

00:21:40.060 There are words like split brain trance in this book.

00:21:44.760 Like, this is how sophisticated these kids are being exposed to these ideas.

00:21:49.200 And you'll see this trance concept in Chapman, for sure, in Hinkley.

00:21:54.500 That they're both, something's going on that isn't, these people are not, in present tense.

00:22:03.200 Hinkley's not, like, I mean, in Chapman, too.

00:22:05.720 And that's kind of like how this book, and it just goes on.

00:22:09.960 The book is full of perversion.

00:22:11.780 So, like, the kid's going through this whole thing for three days. 0.99

00:22:15.060 But he sees transvestites, gays, pedophilia. 0.99

00:22:20.920 His antelini is trying to hit on him. 1.00

00:22:23.380 Puts his hand on his head while he's sleeping on the couch.

00:22:26.120 And he says that he's done, this has happened to him 20 times.

00:22:29.920 10 or 20 times, these kind of uncomfortable things.

00:22:32.780 Which it's very weird, too, because he gets himself into the circumstance.

00:22:36.680 Like, instead of, like, avoiding the pedo teacher, he, like, calls him up and says, I'm coming over to talk.

00:22:43.720 And the teacher is like, Holden, you're a very, very strange boy.

00:22:48.700 And Holden goes, I know.

00:22:49.920 So, these, like, if you're identifying with Holden, these, and it does, like, there's a very strange thing at the very last chapter where he goes back and breaks the fourth wall.

00:23:02.840 So, he starts talking to the reader.

00:23:06.160 And he says, I don't know why I'm telling this to you.

00:23:09.520 But I am because I think in the mental institution.

00:23:13.020 I don't know why I'm telling this to you.

00:23:14.900 But I am, I don't know what it means.

00:23:17.120 He doesn't, he doesn't derive meaning from his experiences, whether good or bad.

00:23:22.520 So, like, if you and I have a good experience, oh, that was a lot of fun.

00:23:25.380 Or a bad experience.

00:23:26.320 I don't want to do that again.

00:23:27.320 I don't want to get stuck in New York for three days and sleep on benches.

00:23:30.620 He doesn't, he doesn't have these things. 0.97

00:23:32.840 But anyway, so he's, he is, there's sadism, masochism, he's crazy, he's suicidal. 0.99

00:23:43.400 It's just, and this thing, I swear to God, I'm a madman. 0.99

00:23:47.260 He's also anti-Christian. 0.65

00:23:49.840 So, there's an element here of that.

00:23:51.840 You have to remember, this is the 50s.

00:23:53.480 This is post-World War II, where it's very, by today's standards, extremely conservative.

00:23:58.940 There's no women's rights or anything. 1.00

00:24:01.360 Christian, still a Christian white country. 0.99

00:24:05.100 He says, his sympathies when he reads the Bible, it's not with Christ.

00:24:09.920 He thinks the apostles are fake, right?

00:24:12.480 He thinks there's something fake about them.

00:24:15.320 But he also identifies with legion. 0.97

00:24:18.560 So, if you remember the part of the Bible where Christ is in the wilderness and there's a guy who cannot be restrained, he's crazy. 0.95

00:24:28.580 He has these demons.

00:24:29.540 And Christ, he's talking to the demons.

00:24:31.900 He says, you can go out.

00:24:33.020 Let us go out.

00:24:33.920 We are legion. 0.99

00:24:34.540 And Christ exercises these demons into a herd of pigs. 0.96

00:24:40.740 And the pigs run and drown themselves.

00:24:42.720 That's who Holden Caulfield identifies.

00:24:45.000 So, this whole notion, a lot of these analysts, a lot of these literary critics, they pass over a lot of these elements in their criticism because I've read them now.

00:24:54.440 Like, I've been reading them.

00:24:55.440 They're like, oh, Holden's just a cute, disaffected kid.

00:24:58.320 No, there's something else really much more profound, especially with these psychological states that are in there.

00:25:04.000 It almost seems like you would diagnose him as schizophrenic if you were to take, like, a modern-day medical industry angle at it.

00:25:13.520 This book is being aimed – I was reading it predominantly high school, right, as early as ninth grade.

00:25:19.300 So, 14 years old is the age of a ninth grader.

00:25:22.720 And I wonder, then, is there a sort of a moral reckoning that the character goes through?

00:25:28.960 Because I don't know – it's hard to remember how I was at 14 and whether or not I should have been exposed to these themes.

00:25:38.660 That's what I'm saying.

00:25:39.520 At the end –

00:25:40.060 There was a moral wrap-up.

00:25:42.260 There isn't.

00:25:44.140 He breaks – at the end of the book, there's a very short chapter where he's in the mental institution.

00:25:48.720 He says – he breaks the fourth wall. 0.61

00:25:52.620 He's now talking to the person who's read the book and been inside his head, his screwed-up, jumbled head.

00:25:59.600 And he goes, I don't know why I'm telling you this, and I don't even know what this means.

00:26:05.160 So, there's no – like, at the end of a good – like, a Hallmark card movie or something, there's a wrap-up where everything comes together,

00:26:13.960 and all the conflicts are resolved, and everybody goes, this is a nihilistic book.

00:26:20.040 It doesn't have that.

00:26:22.100 So, what about it is so profound that they've seen fit to – because everybody's familiar with this book, peripherally or otherwise,

00:26:29.420 because they were made to read it in school.

00:26:32.100 Where, then, is the value within this?

00:26:34.440 It's like when you look at Lord of the Flies, which is a big one, or, you know, you kind of look at that,

00:26:41.280 and it's like a deep study into the nature of human beings, and that you could even see it emulated in children

00:26:48.440 if you isolate them and put them in charge of one another.

00:26:51.940 There is something to be gleamed, some insight.

00:26:54.540 What, then, is there for the catcher in the rye for students to gleam?

00:26:58.220 That they're being subjected to cultural creation, a cultural influence that's not positive.

00:27:04.920 That this is not a kind of like a book that somebody would read to have a positive outcome.

00:27:12.940 So, it's something, to me, especially when you look at all of these assassins who are associated with this,

00:27:20.520 this, to me, is a kind of plant.

00:27:22.220 And I've kind of – I've done some work on the CIA, and, like, where does this book really come from?

00:27:27.300 How does a book with this many sophisticated psychological traits in it get created, written,

00:27:34.660 and put out to the public where 60 million books have been sold?

00:27:38.300 Like, that is a mystery.

00:27:39.340 Because if you really read this with a critical eye, like I've tried to do, it's not – it shouldn't be in the –

00:27:46.620 I can see why people didn't want it in the hands of children, because it doesn't have an outcome.

00:27:51.940 Like, I had a crazy period, and then at the end, I was healed.

00:27:56.080 And I became, you know, I became a born-again Christian, or I joined a monastery, and, you know, everything was resolved.

00:28:02.680 It's not resolved.

00:28:03.620 He goes through all these – he's going to commit suicide.

00:28:06.260 He has a human hunting hat. 1.00

00:28:08.000 I could just shoot somebody. 1.00

00:28:09.880 He's a chain smoker. 1.00

00:28:10.900 He's a pyromaniac.

00:28:12.280 Would you say that the character throughout the book, that would he – would his traits resonate with other 16-year-old boys?

00:28:23.200 Yeah, but not in a good way.

00:28:24.480 Like, that's what – I think that's my takeaway.

00:28:26.320 Yeah, so it's like – so they would make you emphasize – or empathize, rather, with this character, and you would see yourself in them to some degree.

00:28:36.960 And then when you get to the moment where you would then get some answers, well, how does this character go about dealing with the things that also plague me?

00:28:44.460 Well, there is no conflict resolution. 0.96

00:28:46.780 It's just – doesn't this suck? 0.97

00:28:49.140 Yes. 0.99

00:28:50.180 When I say nihilism, I mean it. 0.99

00:28:51.840 He also is a liar. 0.99

00:28:53.700 He lies all the time. 1.00

00:28:54.820 He says he can lie to people for hours.

00:28:57.420 He runs into the mother of one of his schoolmates on the train and just balonies her, uses a fake name, tells these fake stories about him, how great her son is.

00:29:07.100 Like, he's just completely balonying her and laughing about it in his internal dialogue.

00:29:12.060 So I would say that's not a positive character trait. 0.98

00:29:15.020 He also says he's a sex maniac, but he's actually sexually frustrated.

00:29:19.020 So they create a character who is not – he doesn't have any redeeming – there's nothing redeeming qualities about him. 0.97

00:29:28.100 So he's not an athlete.

00:29:29.880 He's not a thespian. 0.97

00:29:31.320 He's not an intellectual, successful academic.

00:29:34.080 These are all things that aren't there.

00:29:36.600 It's strange then that these books would be – or this book would sell as many copies because that sort of storytelling doesn't resonate with the average person.

00:29:45.200 It leaves them frustrated and without a conclusion.

00:29:48.080 And people like typically – and I don't know for better or worse, but to have a concise wrap-up is – to put an end on it, to put a bow on it is what people want.

00:29:58.600 And you can kind of tell right on its face that that is the nature of this book because of what you've said, how many killers this book resonates with.

00:30:08.820 Because you can kind of see that train of thought, right?

00:30:10.580 You go, look at this guy.

00:30:11.720 He's just like me.

00:30:12.760 And what does he do about it?

00:30:13.840 Nothing.

00:30:14.340 It's all nihilism.

00:30:15.300 There's nothing good in the end.

00:30:16.300 There's no wrap-up.

00:30:17.080 There's no morality. 1.00

00:30:17.940 So fuck it. 1.00

00:30:18.340 What am I doing here? 1.00

00:30:19.340 Why don't I go and just do this thing that I've been planning to do?

00:30:23.600 You know what I mean?

00:30:24.200 Exactly.

00:30:24.300 And you can see how that character resonates.

00:30:25.920 But for the population at large, I don't think people really like that or else we would get more of that from Hollywood.

00:30:33.620 It gets really disturbing.

00:30:35.280 There's a disturbing aspect to it, the red and his sister. 0.98

00:30:38.760 And the fact that the last chapter does not have his sister and does not have his dad is very odd.

00:30:45.320 Like, I'm not saying you could read in that he did something bad to his sister, but she's not there.

00:30:51.380 She's not mentioned.

00:30:52.680 Just the brother.

00:30:54.120 So what's going on?

00:30:55.160 Like, he supposedly, you can read into a lot of weird stuff in there.

00:30:58.360 So that lack of resolution and the lack of things with his sister, this kind of, like, weird thing.

00:31:04.680 So, and like you said, the lack of resolution.

00:31:07.340 So his sex life, he doesn't have, he's not like a, he's like somebody who lives through other people's romantic lives.

00:31:15.360 So he's living through Strat later, this other character he knows, and this girl that he's obsessed with who he never calls.

00:31:21.440 So he has this kind of, like, infatuation with somebody that he will never relate to.

00:31:26.960 Then he goes to this hotel, and the bellman in the elevator, who's, I think, Manuel, hooks him up with a prostitute.

00:31:37.780 And so the prostitute comes for $5, but he doesn't, he doesn't complete the act. 0.99

00:31:45.020 But he says he's a sex maniac. 0.97

00:31:47.060 So you can see this kind of internal tension within the character itself. 0.89

00:31:50.680 So he's not like, he's not successful, you know, with the other sex. 1.00

00:31:58.020 So he's like.

00:31:59.500 I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is, this is fascinating from Arcane Arsenals.

00:32:02.940 He says, seems like the sales went to schools like Mac computers.

00:32:06.740 And if that is truly the answer there on how a book that doesn't seem to resonate with the average person gets to 60 million sales is because the public school system is buying it in droves and indoctrinating children with it.

00:32:18.280 Well, this is like CNN and airports, right?

00:32:22.140 Or Disney Plus subscriptions with the USAID.

00:32:27.240 That's 700,000 of them that are just paid for by taxpayer funds for whatever reason to make Buzz Lightyear gay or something like that.

00:32:34.580 It's interesting because this, in this book are these ideas, this guy, Luce, he runs into Luce at a bar.

00:32:41.360 Luce kind of is a direct reference to the Luce family who ran Time Magazine, right?

00:32:45.700 And so Henry Luce and his wife, they have an interesting story themselves, but Time Life eventually bought the Zapruder film, right?

00:32:54.040 And they had it from the public.

00:32:55.260 But this is 1951.

00:32:57.140 Luce is a kind of sexologist.

00:33:00.200 Holden knows, like, he likes Luce because Luce is super knowledgeable about sex. 0.88

00:33:05.540 So he's asking him questions.

00:33:07.520 And Luce is giving him information. 0.96

00:33:08.700 But one of the things Luce says is, like, half of married men are gay.

00:33:13.800 And that's another thing that came out of the Rockefeller-supported Kinsey Institute, was this whole notion that heterosexual men are, it's much more normal to have gay relationships.

00:33:25.280 That was the push.

00:33:26.660 It's fake.

00:33:27.800 All of Kinsey's research cannot be duplicated.

00:33:30.740 But you see that suggestion within this book.

00:33:34.300 So it's like this book, something sinister is here.

00:33:38.000 And I think that these guys have keyed into it.

00:33:41.300 Hinkley and whatever through it.

00:33:43.000 If not, we can get there.

00:33:44.400 Through hypnosis, you can see why somebody would use this to influence somebody's mind, like, in a deeper way.

00:33:53.560 And the twist of this, at the very end, where he breaks the fourth wall and talks to you, it's like you've been in his mind.

00:34:02.020 So it's very powerful.

00:34:03.700 So in other narratives, book narratives, you're clearly in, like, looking down at these characters' interplay, war and peace, and, you know, all these sophisticated or complex interrelations between adults and children and, you know, political acts.

00:34:18.360 But this is different.

00:34:19.660 You're in his brain.

00:34:21.380 And then he's talking to you.

00:34:22.560 So it's much more intimate.

00:34:24.300 But this isn't an internal dialogue, like Prost or something, that's positive.

00:34:30.020 This is like a scramble-brained guy.

00:34:32.020 And you can hear, when he's talking to his sister, he's having a conversation.

00:34:37.120 And then, for three paragraphs, he's talking about his, he's thinking about his buddies back then.

00:34:44.020 So he's not even in the present tense with his sister.

00:34:48.580 You have to read this.

00:34:49.800 It's totally crazy.

00:34:50.700 If you, if people have, like, understand kind of mental states and kind of, like, how schismogenesis or, like, how people can be messed with in cults, like, this book will find, you'll find it very disturbing.

00:35:05.480 Like, it's really off the charts.

00:35:09.860 He's suicidal.

00:35:11.520 Yeah, really good.

00:35:12.280 Oh, he's fascinated and scared by blood.

00:35:14.500 You know, he uses this word, you know, he uses this word, get the axe, chew the fat. 0.80

00:35:18.600 So these kind of very powerful, once a rat, always a rat. 0.98

00:35:23.180 I have a brain tumor. 0.70

00:35:24.960 He's, what is it when you think you're old? 0.98

00:35:28.640 He's a hypochondriac. 0.71

00:35:29.980 Like, there's nothing. 0.75

00:35:30.640 You go through and find a redeeming quality.

00:35:33.600 Like, maybe to some, to, like, the anti-people, this guy's great because he's always, like, in a terrible state.

00:35:40.000 And he has, he has weird responses to things, things that make him depressed and happy.

00:35:45.760 They're not the standard things that make, like, a nice meal or time with friends or watching a movie or sports game.

00:35:53.240 He gets depressed by certain things when he sees cheap.

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00:36:39.880 Luggage.

00:36:40.580 He gets really depressed, like, because he's rich.

00:36:43.560 He goes to Brooks Brothers.

00:36:44.700 He's well-dressed.

00:36:45.460 He has tons of money.

00:36:46.280 He doesn't seem to hurt for money until the very end.

00:36:49.340 But he gets depressed by other people's cheap luggage.

00:36:52.780 Which also brings to mind kind of this character of American Psycho, where he's totally obsessed with external, you know, trappings of status or whatever.

00:37:05.120 His clothing and his wear and his business card.

00:37:09.980 True in what we see, where it's like a lot of the time these people that are committing atrocious acts come from well-to-do backgrounds.

00:37:17.540 They have money.

00:37:18.900 You know, it's what's given rise to this idea that if you have it all and you raise a child, something about that child is unfulfilled.

00:37:27.080 And it turns to, you know, some psychopathic tendencies.

00:37:30.400 I have a really important question that I got to get off my chest, which is what the hell does it mean to be a catcher in the rye?

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00:38:21.160 Bye, guys.

00:38:22.220 So, William, what in the hell is a catcher in the rye?

00:38:27.140 So, it's based, like I mentioned earlier, Robert Burns did a – had a poem, right, that the sister knows very well.

00:38:35.900 Phoebe knows very well.

00:38:37.640 And it's called a – something in the rye.

00:38:41.140 I can't remember the name of it offhand.

00:38:42.420 But it's – the catcher in the rye is Holden's misreading.

00:38:47.440 This is another example of how he misinterprets reality.

00:38:51.480 But it's a misreading of this Robert Burns poem that goes, if a body catch a body coming through the rye.

00:38:58.780 And it's kind of like a erotic – well, it might involve rape, but it's about a man and a woman in the rye.

00:39:06.620 And it's supposedly an old Gaelic or Scottish.

00:39:11.560 And he interprets it as a catcher.

00:39:14.020 And there's a very famous sequence at the very end, which you can go through in the slides, where he envisions himself – and this is kind of like the weird thing about his attachment to children.

00:39:25.320 He envisions himself as a guy who's going to be in the rye, helping kids who are running towards a cliff and saving them from going over the cliff.

00:39:33.660 So he will be the catcher in the rye.

00:39:35.800 But it also has kind of a darker element to it.

00:39:40.200 When you kind of see, like, this human hunting hat that was in some of the book covers, this is darker.

00:39:48.600 A catcher is also a Sith.

00:39:50.580 So you see the sickle and the hammer of communism.

00:39:54.620 That Sith goes through the rye and cuts it off.

00:39:57.740 So there is a kind of a subtextual aspect of violence to the title of the book itself.

00:40:04.580 It is almost like a Jesus complex as well.

00:40:07.800 Like, he feels like he's the one to save these kids, but you can't really even get your own thoughts together.

00:40:13.240 Right.

00:40:13.940 Right.

00:40:14.340 No, it is interesting.

00:40:16.020 And there's a very interesting statement at the very end that's by his guy, Antolini, who is his kind of guy who's trying to hit on him.

00:40:27.700 He says something to him like, there's something about you that says you'll die, you'll have a death that is not good for something, a valiant cause or something.

00:40:40.120 Like, it's really weird.

00:40:41.860 Like, these are really weird statements in there.

00:40:43.940 But it's not – the more I read it, the more I think the narrative is fake.

00:40:49.860 It's just the narrative is there to get to import these concepts into the reader.

00:40:54.400 Oh, that's a fantastic way to put it, William.

00:40:57.700 Because that is what – you know, when we're talking about Kubrick films in this last episode that we did, it seems that – and very many directors have sought to emulate Kubrick's work in their own films.

00:41:12.360 And, you know, those things are still coming out today.

00:41:14.060 I think two great examples are Kim Kardashian's Santa Baby video and also the film on Netflix White Noise starring Adam Driver.

00:41:23.640 Now, these things seek to tell you a message subliminally, but the foreground, the actual content that is the delivery vehicle for this message is, like, kind of nonsensical.

00:41:37.120 It's not really like – I mean, not necessarily the case with The Shining or Kubrick films, but certainly the case with the film White Noise, which I think even the title is meant to tell you, like, hey, this is white noise.

00:41:51.300 It's really what's going on in the background that you should be paying attention to.

00:41:54.680 And the same thing with Kim Kardashian's Santa Baby.

00:41:57.260 On its surface, it doesn't even make any sense.

00:41:59.860 She's just crawling through a hotel party. 1.00

00:42:03.240 But all the symbols in the background are telling a different story.

00:42:06.320 So is that what you're saying here, William, that even the book The Catcher in the Rye?

00:42:10.340 Because it's like I can, just based off of what you're saying, detect that there's no cohesion.

00:42:14.780 There's no, like, you know, a logical through line through this book.

00:42:19.320 It seems like a lot of it would leave you confused.

00:42:21.640 I think one of the most alarming things you're saying about this is that I've definitely read this book, and I don't remember a word of it.

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00:43:57.500 Yeah, no, it's very odd.

00:43:59.820 It's like he's bouncing around.

00:44:02.020 So like his psychological state, he gets on the phone and just calls somebody.

00:44:06.320 So he calls loose.

00:44:07.260 Then he calls Antolini.

00:44:08.560 Then he calls this guy and just goes and says that.

00:44:11.720 And then, you know, has his own kind of internal narrative going on.

00:44:16.060 It is really an odd book.

00:44:18.440 I'm trying to find the quote where the guy, Antolini, says about like he's doomed for like a great act of violence.

00:44:26.780 But he says, this is Antolini.

00:44:28.960 You are a very, very strange boy.

00:44:32.100 Holden Caulfield response.

00:44:33.340 I know it, I said.

00:44:34.340 And so like he's aware that he like this isn't like a character.

00:44:39.760 If you read this, you'll be like, this is this isn't like amazing.

00:44:45.100 There's all kinds of psychoanalyst analysis in this, too.

00:44:48.640 Does he does he then go on to take part in a great act of violence?

00:44:52.560 Well, that's what's what I'm saying at the very end.

00:44:56.480 His sister's no longer in the picture.

00:44:59.540 And he's been walking around having violent thoughts.

00:45:03.900 So I think that there's there's no overt statement that something went wrong.

00:45:09.180 But it's like, did something go wrong?

00:45:11.560 Like, he's clearly in a mental institution.

00:45:14.320 He's like, you know, it's a long wing and stuff like that.

00:45:17.460 So there might be.

00:45:21.180 You can deduce that maybe something really did go wrong.

00:45:25.120 Right.

00:45:25.600 Because the parents aren't there.

00:45:26.680 And the sisters.

00:45:27.340 How does this plug into hypnotism?

00:45:32.040 Well, we'll see that.

00:45:33.260 I mean, I think if you get to the slides, if we get to the slides, we can go through.

00:45:36.840 And this is like the standard book cover.

00:45:40.380 Right.

00:45:40.700 So Catcher in the Rye read with the yellow 60 million copies sold worldwide.

00:45:47.680 If you go to the next one.

00:45:48.860 I think I can probably do it.

00:45:51.600 This is the cover.

00:45:52.340 So this is referencing the red Central Park and the carousel.

00:45:56.660 Right. 0.71

00:45:56.860 Where he's happiest to see Phoebe who just kills him.

00:46:00.160 He always says this. 1.00

00:46:01.440 She kills me. 0.92

00:46:02.900 Like, it's a very strange word that they use.

00:46:06.160 Like, instead of like, I just think she's the cutest kid in the world.

00:46:09.660 Or like, her dimples make me happy or something like that.

00:46:13.980 Instead, it's like, Phoebe's killing me. 0.95

00:46:16.700 She just kills me. 1.00

00:46:18.580 It's so strange.

00:46:19.780 Like, the word usage is way too sophisticated.

00:46:22.760 Like, Salinger may have been just a total genius.

00:46:25.380 The other thing about Salinger is that he became a shut-in.

00:46:27.820 He became a recluse and never achieved something like this ever again.

00:46:32.640 So he had Franny and Zoe, I think, was another one, and some short stories.

00:46:36.640 Yeah.

00:46:37.220 Did any of his previous works have this same impact?

00:46:40.900 Because if not, this would seem like a departure then from his previous works.

00:46:45.220 And then the question is, how did he learn to write this way?

00:46:49.000 Or what inspired him to write this way where he wasn't doing that before?

00:46:52.100 Yeah, at 32.

00:46:53.280 And he had had, like, this is well-known.

00:46:55.600 You can see it online.

00:46:56.600 And he had, he was, when he was in his 30s, he had a kind of a relationship with a 14-year-old girl.

00:47:02.540 And she talks about it.

00:47:04.500 And for a long term, like years, like very long term.

00:47:09.340 So that's a bit disturbing too.

00:47:13.040 And then he's going and he's writing this thing that, I mean, so in that way, we are, we are gearing the works of a pedophile towards the American children in the public education system.

00:47:26.100 I think, I think to a certain extent, yes.

00:47:29.720 I think that's correct.

00:47:30.760 And there's certain things about this relationship between, like I've done a lot of shows on human trafficking, pedophilia, and all these other things.

00:47:39.800 A lot of pedophiles in their mind, they're not harming the kids.

00:47:42.760 Like there's no harm to them.

00:47:44.560 And also kids are old enough.

00:47:46.580 They're always of consent.

00:47:48.140 Like they're old enough to process, like they're mature enough, right?

00:47:52.480 And that's like the pedophile's excuse.

00:47:54.520 And then you read this book and it's like, Phoebe's smarter than Holden.

00:47:58.700 She knows Robert Burns.

00:48:00.460 She can quote the poem.

00:48:01.600 How does a kid know that?

00:48:03.180 She dances like an adult with him.

00:48:05.620 She responds to him like an adult.

00:48:07.960 They're almost in a kind of odd relationship because he's saying, I'm leaving, I'm going to go west.

00:48:12.780 And she packs up her luggage to go with him like an adult.

00:48:16.400 Like what 10-year-old kid would leave their parents to go like that?

00:48:19.020 It doesn't, but the way that it's played out in the narrative to me is has a real quasi pedo. 0.99

00:48:26.820 Like there's no, he pinches her derriere. 0.99

00:48:29.400 He pinches her butt too. 0.99

00:48:30.900 Like at one point, which, you know, maybe in those days isn't that bad. 0.97

00:48:34.160 But it just seems like if there was a horror element to this storytelling, that this would be akin to like a Stephen King situation.

00:48:42.260 Because Stephen King also does that, right, where it's like famously, and it didn't make the cut in the films, but he's depicting a, basically an orgy involving children.

00:48:55.460 And in what movie?

00:48:57.840 Oh, yeah, in the book, in the book, in the second book at the end.

00:49:01.460 No, as a matter of fact, it's the first book.

00:49:04.140 This is in the first book.

00:49:04.920 I'm sorry.

00:49:05.260 Yeah, when they're children, they, to defeat the clown, it, Pennywise, they have.

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00:50:07.360 Sex with the girl, I forget the thing, her name is Sarah. 1.00

00:50:09.840 They all have, like, they basically do run a train on her, all the boys, this group of boys. 0.91

00:50:14.480 Yeah, yeah, and it's like, I don't know what he's trying to say. 0.69

00:50:16.920 Like, he tried to say that it's like to remove, like, oh, they had to remove their innocence in order to battle this clown and it goes away for some time.

00:50:24.600 And then the second book picks up where they're adults and they have to fight it again.

00:50:27.760 But something interesting about that book, It, as well, and the book, The Stand, and Needful Things, and Storm of the Century from Stephen King.

00:50:39.880 All these books also reference the entity Legion, specifically Pennywise.

00:50:45.600 Yeah, Pennywise happens. 1.00

00:50:47.280 So that's in this book, too.

00:50:49.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:50.520 That's why I'm thinking about it.

00:50:52.240 So you have these ideas of pedophilia, this is the idea of Legion, and obviously Stephen King has gleamed a lot from The Catcher in the Rye because those themes come up.

00:51:00.320 And then I'm sure we'll get to The Shining, which is like a, that's a Stephen King book, but a Kubrick film that really points right at this book as well.

00:51:08.940 Wow, that's amazing.

00:51:12.060 So this book has permeated our culture in ways that we may not fully understand.

00:51:18.700 It's very strange.

00:51:20.100 This is another one.

00:51:21.220 This is like when he, like at the end, Mr. Andolini tries to hit on Holden.

00:51:26.060 It's like, the elevator was finally there.

00:51:28.260 I got in and went down.

00:51:29.400 Boy, I was shaking like a madman. 0.97

00:51:31.320 So there's the madman again. 0.77

00:51:32.720 I was sweating, too. 1.00

00:51:34.140 When something perverty like this happens, I start sweating like a bastard. 0.96

00:51:37.800 That kind of stuff's happened to me about 20 times since I was a kid. 0.96

00:51:41.660 I can't stand it.

00:51:42.740 So there's these elements across both these books and then this one where it's like there's something about childhood.

00:51:51.280 There's something about the there's there's like a I don't want to say a magic associated with it, but there's an age that, you know, a child becomes.

00:52:01.760 We're like, I don't know.

00:52:03.080 It's almost like reality and your own mind become a little bit more malleable or maybe it's like your consciousness has reached such a level where your logical mind is kicking in.

00:52:12.560 So you can sort of analyze maybe what's been happening to you probably your entire life as a child.

00:52:17.740 Because they say like children are on the edge of sort of that that spiritual realm still where they can kind of perceive things.

00:52:25.160 And I think that these occultists, the same ones who are writing these books and developing these films in Hollywood, they're they're depicting that in in a very strange way.

00:52:35.800 I don't know what it is. It's it's the psyche of a developing child is full of holes.

00:52:42.540 It's like riddled with with inconsistencies and and I don't know, they perceive things in a very strange way.

00:52:50.340 And I think it is like this. Some people would say like, yeah, you can still sort of see these things like magic is real when you're a child.

00:52:57.600 And that element, I think, is what these authors are playing off of.

00:53:02.140 But I don't think it's just playing off of. And I think that's clear because this thing ends up going into MKUltra and hypnosis and all these other things.

00:53:09.100 So there's something there we're not aware of, but they are.

00:53:13.360 Yes, I think so. I think that this is really the time this book came out at the time MKUltra was 53, right?

00:53:21.780 So Dullist had this kind of famous speech called Brain Warfare.

00:53:25.980 And then a week later, MKUltra 53. But before that, there was a guy at the head of this whole process of kind of mind control.

00:53:34.380 His name was Morse Allen. He was working, you know, after OSS.

00:53:38.540 So this also Blackbird and Artichoke are taking place before MKUltra get started.

00:53:43.460 So this book suddenly pops out right around that time.

00:53:47.120 It's very eerie. And they're involved in the culture, the 50s and the Cold War and all this stuff is real.

00:53:54.860 And these guys are all Cold Warriors. They are all post-World War II guys. 0.51

00:53:58.840 They're fighting whatever. And they're also interested in these Manchurian candidates.

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00:55:35.740 North Korea or whatever.

00:55:37.460 So this book comes out at that time.

00:55:39.800 It's very odd.

00:55:41.300 It's just very...

00:55:42.160 And then there's more research to be done.

00:55:43.920 But just like these themes that use...

00:55:46.160 I would never have keyed into the Stephen King stuff.

00:55:49.120 But...

00:55:49.760 Well, it's interesting too because in elementary school,

00:55:52.820 one of the things that's really fascinating in the conspiracy community is the Gates program, right?

00:55:58.520 The Gifted and Talented program.

00:56:00.980 And allegedly, you know, its nature is still out, I guess, as far as the verdict.

00:56:09.680 But a lot of people speculate that it was a selection process for children with psychic abilities.

00:56:17.320 And so, I mean, whatever the hell public schooling is, you know, on the surface, it's one thing.

00:56:27.400 But it seeks to indoctrinate through things like a catcher in the rye.

00:56:32.220 But it also...

00:56:33.100 And of course, just sort of the idea that it arised out of the Industrial Revolution to make good factory workers, right?

00:56:39.260 Which is where they got the bell system and things like that.

00:56:41.740 So that you would be effective on a production line when you were older.

00:56:46.620 But then to have all this element where there's organizations coming in and conducting selection processes on young children.

00:56:55.500 To see whether or not they have some sort of innate ability.

00:56:58.400 I don't know what it is.

00:57:00.700 We're giving our children up to a system that picks and chooses them like, I don't know, cattle on a production line. 0.80

00:57:08.580 For the most promising ones.

00:57:09.800 And these are some of the tools they're using to do that.

00:57:13.240 Yeah.

00:57:14.200 There's selection processes out there.

00:57:16.820 For also, you make an interesting thing.

00:57:19.480 Like the kids, when you're growing up, it's interesting.

00:57:22.360 There's not too many older kind of MKUltra people because of just the way that the human mind works.

00:57:28.720 Which you're taking in information as an adult.

00:57:31.980 As you get to adulthood.

00:57:33.380 And then in adulthood, you're kind of processing what you learned or reformatting.

00:57:37.780 But you're much more suggestible as a teenager.

00:57:40.600 It's just the way it is.

00:57:42.080 Because you're learning.

00:57:43.100 You're trying to adapt to the external stimuli and try to figure stuff out.

00:57:47.960 So a lot of these guys who you'll see in this are all about 23, 24, strangely.

00:57:53.040 Sirhan Sirhan, Tinkley, Oswald, Chapman.

00:57:59.640 All around the same age.

00:58:01.800 Mangione.

00:58:04.240 So I think that something profound is happening, at least to the controllers.

00:58:08.260 To the people who aren't the world controllers or people who are running stuff.

00:58:14.100 They are looking at humanity as kind of a Petri dish or a pool of talent for people to use.

00:58:20.700 Like people they'll bring in. 0.93

00:58:22.140 And you'll see that amongst the elite.

00:58:23.800 Like the Rockefellers are fine guys like John McClone.

00:58:29.500 Or was it McClure?

00:58:30.580 Who was a family friend.

00:58:32.040 But they brought him in and groomed him.

00:58:34.240 And he was basically kind of like one of their go-to guys for a lot of their policies and stuff like that.

00:58:39.540 You know, it's worth mentioning too that schizophrenia develops between 15 and 25 in men.

00:58:47.280 And this, you know, I'm just looking for this connection because this is obviously a psychological operation.

00:58:53.240 These people, Manchurian candidates like you mentioned before or whatever process they're going through.

00:59:00.060 Luigi is a normal functioning dude.

00:59:03.580 Super high functioning, I would say.

00:59:06.060 Yeah, high functioning dude up until a certain age.

00:59:08.180 And then all of a sudden by 25, 26, they manage to break him or something manages to break him entirely.

00:59:14.120 And he's now displaying a totally different behavioral set.

00:59:19.860 You know, very strange that that happens.

00:59:22.440 Super suspicious.

00:59:23.400 Yes, very suspicious.

00:59:24.540 Here's Andolini talking to Holden again.

00:59:28.640 He said,

00:59:29.540 Like, these are the suggestions that are in this book.

00:59:45.100 Like, it permeates the whole book of these, like, psychological states that can't be remedied and things like that.

00:59:51.540 I mean, and then this is the guy who's going to try to, you know, pedophile.

00:59:59.480 Well, why don't we get into some of these slides so we can see how this thing tracks.

01:00:05.560 Let's do it.

01:00:06.000 So this is a cover of the book.

01:00:08.200 This is the original cover.

01:00:09.340 Now, at first glance, it just looks probably benign.

01:00:11.620 But if you read the book, you know he's a chain smoker.

01:00:14.620 You know that's a murder hat.

01:00:16.320 That's the human hunting hat that he's wearing.

01:00:18.540 Red.

01:00:19.340 Just like the cover, right?

01:00:20.600 Just like the carousel.

01:00:22.360 So you see the thematic blood and murder associated with color.

01:00:26.480 And then the ducks where he's just, he's not, he's schizophrenic.

01:00:30.860 He doesn't understand why, where the ducks go, right?

01:00:35.220 He keeps, that's a key component of this whole thing.

01:00:37.680 And in addition to the catcher in the rye, it's the component where he's, he can't ascertain reality.

01:00:43.140 Like people know the ducks fly south for the winter when they're eight, right?

01:00:49.620 And this is kind of like, it's interesting.

01:00:51.900 The quote at the bottom mentions David Copperfield.

01:00:54.980 So that's the Dickens book.

01:00:59.460 So they're telling the reader who may know Dickens that this is kind of like his coming of age story.

01:01:05.260 And it kind of becomes your coming of age because you're with him in his brain.

01:01:12.020 And then at the end, he says, I don't know why I'm telling you this.

01:01:14.600 So you've kind of been along with him.

01:01:16.420 So you can go to the next one.

01:01:17.760 You know what's funny too?

01:01:18.960 You talk about coming of age and your coming of age too.

01:01:21.980 If, if schizophrenia truly does develop between the ages of 15 and 25,

01:01:26.120 then they're right at the beginning of that transitional period, giving you this in public schools.

01:01:31.100 It's super nefarious.

01:01:34.400 It gets like, that's the whole thing is like, it didn't, it didn't expose itself to me,

01:01:40.020 but through further analysis and reading, it's like, wow, this is really dark.

01:01:45.440 It's really like a, like a really dark book for these young kids.

01:01:50.360 They shouldn't be exposed to this.

01:01:51.660 They used to have like, like the Romans would give Pliny's lives, 0.99

01:01:54.820 like famous people or George Washington, like something happened after World War II

01:01:59.880 where like the U S empire slid through culture, like this negative culture creation

01:02:05.160 and all this stuff, people who, uh, the CIA, what started in 47.

01:02:09.420 So it's not outside of the realm of possibility that this was a socially engineered

01:02:13.360 and we can do a full show on CIA Hollywood connections.

01:02:17.640 There's so many up to the present, but there were a lot back in the fifties.

01:02:21.420 There was this guy, his name was Tracy Barnes.

01:02:24.140 He was kind of like a lower level apparatchik at the CIA, but he was involved

01:02:27.960 in getting Orwell's animal farm made and, and distributed through Hollywood.

01:02:33.900 But he was kind of the secret lever puller to get that.

01:02:37.480 So it was kind of an anti-communist, uh, you know, tract.

01:02:42.620 A lot of people speculate that after World War II during Operation Paperclip,

01:02:46.000 that, uh, some of the Nazis that we would have scooped up would have been those

01:02:49.680 from the propaganda wing of the Nazi regime, uh, because they were so masterful at it.

01:02:54.540 Uh, and then it's seemingly right on cue, right?

01:02:58.240 A lot of these programs start right after that.

01:03:00.060 Do you think there's a correlation there?

01:03:01.540 I think so.

01:03:02.400 I think a lot of those Nazis knew that stuff.

01:03:04.320 If you look, um, back, if you remember, there was the burning of the Reichstag.

01:03:09.400 That was kind of what brought Hitler to power. 0.98

01:03:12.060 I think that was 33.

01:03:13.680 It's a huge event, right?

01:03:14.860 They blamed it on the communist and they brought out this guy, Vanderloeb, and everybody says 0.92

01:03:20.200 he's either retarded or he's in a trance or he's not responding right. 0.89

01:03:26.200 But some people have looked at that guy. 0.96

01:03:28.200 It was a very smart guy.

01:03:29.180 This guy's doctor's here and they're like, somebody did a mind control job on that dude.

01:03:34.400 So the Nazis knew that in the thirties.

01:03:36.220 And a lot of the stuff, a lot of the earlier writers, uh, I'm just putting this in a timeframe.

01:03:41.260 Esther Brooks was writing his books on hypnotism in the thirties as well.

01:03:44.540 And he's really the core.

01:03:45.720 And you'll see, I don't know how McGowan keyed into this and programmed to kill, but he starts

01:03:51.540 out with a thing on Esther Brooks.

01:03:53.140 Like he knew that this is the right guy to start with.

01:03:56.200 You don't start with MK Elder in 53.

01:03:58.300 You start with Esther Brooks in the thirties where they're talking about split brain and

01:04:03.060 couriers.

01:04:03.760 And Esther Brooks had this famous, like, uh, warning. 0.98

01:04:08.960 He said, people need to, hypnotism is so dangerous that they have to either ban it or control it

01:04:16.720 because it can change world history.

01:04:19.120 He was right.

01:04:20.180 Yeah.

01:04:20.600 Now it seems they've incorporated it into the propaganda machine.

01:04:23.260 I would imagine that there's not a successful show for children or otherwise that doesn't

01:04:28.280 have an element of, of hypnotism in it.

01:04:29.860 Right.

01:04:30.240 Uh, we talk about on this show, how there's like a eight second frame switch for children's

01:04:35.120 entertainment.

01:04:36.180 Yeah.

01:04:36.320 It's, it's actually really short now.

01:04:37.600 I mean, they say for P you know, like hypnotism or you and a camera and whatever you put people

01:04:44.000 into like a place where, where it's, uh, you know, you're isolated and you know, you're

01:04:50.460 not supposed to have outside interview and then you put them in stimulation.

01:04:54.500 And I encourage you and your listeners, if you live in a suburban area, just go for a walk

01:04:59.260 at night at about eight 30 and walk, just, you don't have to like be a P just stay on 0.98

01:05:03.500 the sidewalk, but just watch everybody's blinking lights in their rooms and go back.

01:05:08.520 You don't, if you have a kind of paranoiac brain like me, you'll know they're getting

01:05:13.320 their evening programming.

01:05:14.580 Yeah.

01:05:15.140 Like I don't go there.

01:05:16.360 Hey, I don't watch TV.

01:05:17.740 Like I'm freaked out by that.

01:05:19.240 Like you sit me down.

01:05:20.340 No, no, I don't even want to even go there.

01:05:22.900 Well, that's the, they used to have to have, uh, a CIA agent on payroll that would, I don't

01:05:30.060 know, kidnap a John from a whorehouse or whatever, uh, strap their eyes open, um, clockwork

01:05:35.980 orange style, and then subject them to like some sort of dosage and some sort of propaganda 0.76

01:05:42.240 in order to brainwash them. 0.92

01:05:44.260 That was like, that's what we're comfortable with.

01:05:46.060 Now it's different.

01:05:47.200 Now we're like free range, uh, MK ultra victims where we're on a low dose of anxiety inducing

01:05:52.200 medication.

01:05:53.220 Yeah.

01:05:53.500 Yeah. 0.97

01:05:53.740 At all times, we're always high or some shit because of the weed industry. 0.93

01:05:56.640 And it's like, it's driving our baseline anxiety up. 0.97

01:05:59.760 It's making us open to suggestibility.

01:06:01.720 And then we're just willingly.

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01:07:04.100 Sitting down and inundating ourselves with hours and hours of MKUltra content.

01:07:08.440 They call it programming for a reason.

01:07:12.060 It's like the dual purpose type stuff that you have to really be afraid of.

01:07:16.700 I was telling you this in the pre-show.

01:07:20.200 So all of these things that we're talking about are very Kubrick-esque where they'll

01:07:23.240 do these things that don't make sense.

01:07:25.660 Inconsistencies all over the place. 1.00

01:07:27.260 And I don't know, a very smart person might say, wow, these are really stupid mistakes. 0.99

01:07:32.340 But someone like us will look at it and say, no, this is meant to disorient. 0.99

01:07:35.280 And my children's show that my kids watch, they were running through YouTube and there's

01:07:42.740 a guy on YouTube who dissects it.

01:07:44.420 This is how I saw this.

01:07:45.340 He dissected the Bluey show.

01:07:46.920 It's just a kid's show on Disney or wherever you can find it.

01:07:50.520 And he's an animator.

01:07:52.120 So he finds all the inconsistencies in it.

01:07:54.240 And they're just riddled with them.

01:07:56.680 But as an animator myself and someone who does graphic design, I know that it would

01:08:01.240 take, you would have to go through painstaking detail to make these mistakes.

01:08:06.380 You'd have to actually redraw this entire set.

01:08:08.880 It just doesn't happen.

01:08:09.740 It's not a glitch.

01:08:10.540 So these people are doing these inconsistencies to children.

01:08:13.660 So this is no longer starting in junior high school where we're reading a quite dense book.

01:08:21.220 This is on the children's shows.

01:08:23.440 It's at every single level.

01:08:24.620 So the programming begins super early.

01:08:27.260 Someone just mentioned Baby Shark in the chat.

01:08:30.140 That's one of them as well.

01:08:31.800 It's like a weird hypnosis loop that kids go through.

01:08:34.980 Even just on an instrumental level, music-wise, that do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do, it's like designed

01:08:45.020 to be this enclosed loop that gets stuck in your head in such a way that, yeah.

01:08:50.180 I mean, I don't know what that's happening.

01:08:51.540 It's not a joke.

01:08:52.920 And that's what ties into this book.

01:08:54.760 They're using these sophisticated, I mean, trance and split brain.

01:08:59.040 How does Salinger know this, all this stuff?

01:09:01.700 I mean, he's obviously intelligent, but the narrative is, like I said earlier, it's just

01:09:07.300 to include all these other themes in here that are so potent and dark.

01:09:13.200 And then so it goes all the way to the present culture, obviously, through Bluey and Shark,

01:09:17.860 whatever show. 0.99

01:09:18.740 Fucking Bluey. 1.00

01:09:19.580 It's incredible. 0.99

01:09:20.260 But anyway, 65 million copies sold worldwide.

01:09:22.740 That's an incredible event.

01:09:24.360 And if you didn't see how culture creation goes or the mighty Wurlitzer, they can promote

01:09:30.100 these books and get them into the public consciousness.

01:09:33.260 So if you have, you know, the CIA has assets in the media or something like that, and like,

01:09:38.040 oh, this is the greatest book ever written.

01:09:39.640 Everybody get it.

01:09:40.440 And it's such a masterpiece.

01:09:42.700 And get it into the schools.

01:09:43.980 Like, wow.

01:09:47.000 65 million copies is crazy.

01:09:49.280 So there's Salinger.

01:09:50.080 That's what he looked like. 1.00

01:09:52.120 Holden Caulfield's goddamn war. 0.98

01:09:54.280 So I think, you know, there's a lot of historical stuff about Salinger. 0.99

01:10:00.960 That's him.

01:10:02.040 77, weird numerology.

01:10:03.920 But this is him landing, I think, or somewhere in Normandy.

01:10:11.280 But this is the picture of Mark David Chapman, the alleged killer of Lennon.

01:10:16.440 He looks like a school shooter.

01:10:19.000 Weird faces, right?

01:10:20.460 Weird still face.

01:10:21.860 It's like not expressionless, I would say.

01:10:24.680 Yeah, something about his eyes that's, I mean, you know, it could just be because I have

01:10:28.220 a biased, I know what he did, but it looks a little dead behind the eyes.

01:10:32.660 December 8th, 1980, I think is the date of Lennon.

01:10:36.320 And then the same kind of weird expression on Hinckley, right?

01:10:39.800 Yeah, same thing with the eyes.

01:10:41.220 It's same eyes, same pointing to the head.

01:10:43.740 It's like emotionless.

01:10:45.020 And then we can go into, so Hinckley's obsession was Catcher in the Rye, but also

01:10:51.840 Taxi Driver, right?

01:10:53.920 And his obsession was with Jodie Foster, 12 years old, a Taxi Driver.

01:10:58.800 So she's kind of the sit-in for Phoebe. 0.94

01:11:00.900 It was 10.

01:11:01.960 Phoebe from Catcher in the Rye.

01:11:05.000 Travis Bickle is kind of like another famous anti-hero, right?

01:11:08.160 Travis Bickle of Taxi Driver, very influential film.

01:11:10.620 I think it won Best Movie, Oscar, or maybe Best Screenplay.

01:11:14.480 But Bickle is kind of the anti-hero.

01:11:17.560 He's stalking another politician.

01:11:20.720 And Hinckley does the same thing.

01:11:23.000 So three months later, he supposedly takes a shot at Reagan, right?

01:11:26.600 But he has this kind of like obsession like Holden Caulfield has with Phoebe.

01:11:31.960 He has it with another 12-year-old.

01:11:34.200 And actually...

01:11:35.000 It's interesting to mention, by the way, that for whatever reason, in Taxi, right, Jodie Foster,

01:11:39.900 she's incredibly young and they're sexualizing her again. 1.00

01:11:42.700 So...

01:11:42.760 No question.

01:11:43.660 There's these themes.

01:11:44.680 I think she got traumatized by it.

01:11:46.600 I think that there's...

01:11:47.660 Yeah, there's more to that story.

01:11:50.640 It's pedophilia.

01:11:51.520 So, I mean, plain...

01:11:52.620 I don't know what you call it.

01:11:53.700 But anyway, Bickle, the character, is based upon a real person who tried to kill George

01:12:02.560 Wallace.

01:12:03.000 His name was Arthur Bremer.

01:12:05.280 And so you...

01:12:06.360 And he...

01:12:06.920 There's questions about Bremer, too.

01:12:08.280 Much like Chapman and Hinckley.

01:12:10.560 But it's like fiction becomes reality, right?

01:12:15.180 It's much like maybe Catcher in the Rye.

01:12:17.980 There's Hinckley's out.

01:12:19.020 Same kind of weird kind of...

01:12:21.520 Strains expression, you know?

01:12:25.260 So this is the date that it happened, March 30th, 81.

01:12:28.320 Just as Reagan becomes president, right?

01:12:30.280 I don't think he was...

01:12:31.280 He was inaugurated January 20th, 81.

01:12:34.820 So two months later.

01:12:36.520 Who's the beneficiary if Reagan dies?

01:12:41.540 George H.W. Bush, right?

01:12:43.120 Vice president becomes president.

01:12:46.140 Done a lot of work on George H.W. Bush.

01:12:48.260 Interesting guy.

01:12:48.960 He'll come up later in these slides.

01:12:51.520 This is recent.

01:12:53.260 Like, you can't write this stuff.

01:12:55.620 Is that real?

01:12:56.200 People are asking him to...

01:12:58.000 Yes.

01:12:58.300 ...assassinate Donald Trump?

01:12:59.240 That's hilarious.

01:12:59.940 Yes.

01:13:00.240 On TMZ.

01:13:01.020 It's darkly amusing.

01:13:03.820 For people who can't see this for audio,

01:13:06.400 it's John Hinckley Jr., the attempted assassin who shot

01:13:08.720 president Ronald Reagan in the 80s,

01:13:10.940 is now getting a barrage of heinous requests online,

01:13:13.540 asking him to do the same to president-elect.

01:13:15.100 Is he out?

01:13:15.640 Is he free?

01:13:16.500 Yes.

01:13:19.320 This is his...

01:13:20.720 This is Jodie Foster, a picture I found.

01:13:22.500 That's her sister who was her stand-in. 0.98

01:13:24.080 But on set, 1975, so five years.

01:13:28.680 Yeah, they got her in this tiny little outfit in Taxi Driver. 1.00

01:13:32.420 Yeah, it's these films and these pieces of entertainment

01:13:36.140 that walk that line, where they're like,

01:13:39.340 the character is admiring children,

01:13:41.860 and then somehow they're indulging it in text or whatever,

01:13:44.720 and you're reading through this.

01:13:45.560 And somehow, to Top's point,

01:13:48.560 saying he read Catcher in the Rye in school

01:13:50.580 and doesn't remember any of it,

01:13:52.000 it's like these themes, they go...

01:13:54.080 It's like when you find a song from an 80s hair metal group

01:13:57.780 that's all about a little girl.

01:14:00.480 And generations of people jammed out to it,

01:14:04.020 and it's only now where we're like,

01:14:05.120 wait a second, wait a second, wait a second.

01:14:06.480 What did he say?

01:14:07.980 Is he talking about a little girl?

01:14:09.540 How the hell did that enter the culture

01:14:11.760 and then not get identified for generations?

01:14:16.380 Right, that's another disturbing aspect

01:14:18.740 of Catcher in the Rye is the pedophilia.

01:14:21.100 It's real.

01:14:22.060 And it's kind of like being brought in.

01:14:24.120 So like even, it's kind of like the suggestion,

01:14:26.480 like, hey, you weren't thinking about killing yourself

01:14:28.840 or you weren't thinking about going

01:14:30.140 and getting some more weed, would you?

01:14:32.620 Like you can ask that question,

01:14:33.940 but it puts it into your brain, right?

01:14:35.980 So this same kind of thing,

01:14:37.260 it's putting it into your consciousness.

01:14:39.080 It's intentional.

01:14:40.000 There's no question about it.

01:14:42.160 And that's kind of the danger of Catcher in the Rye.

01:14:44.100 And I do think Catcher in the Rye

01:14:45.920 is a key component of post-war American mind control.

01:14:50.560 I think the book absolutely has to be

01:14:53.420 a critically analyzed component

01:14:55.340 of everything that happened

01:14:56.940 with these mind control assassins

01:14:58.840 and NK Ultra and all that stuff.

01:15:00.360 I don't think it's external from that.

01:15:03.680 It's part of it.

01:15:04.440 There's no question in my mind.

01:15:05.680 I don't know the totality of it,

01:15:07.180 but it's too profound.

01:15:09.620 There's Bickle, Shaved Head, Robert De Niro.

01:15:14.560 We are the people.

01:15:16.960 But this is interesting.

01:15:18.460 So this is kind of a,

01:15:19.500 this is a book about Hinkley's,

01:15:21.280 about him.

01:15:22.880 This is what we're going to see

01:15:25.560 about Chapman.

01:15:27.620 He's suicidal. 0.98

01:15:32.820 He thinks about killing himself.

01:15:34.780 This is like the same kind of programming

01:15:36.940 as Holden Caulfield, right?

01:15:41.820 But true to form,

01:15:42.860 he tries to commit suicide.

01:15:43.920 John Hinkley will fail.

01:15:45.300 He will wake up nauseated but alive,

01:15:47.000 vowing to find some new way

01:15:47.940 to impress Jodie Foster.

01:15:49.700 If that's not going to work, 0.98

01:15:51.140 he's going to kill somebody else. 0.97

01:15:52.820 This is from the President Has Been Shot book. 0.98

01:15:54.660 But get this.

01:16:00.920 Hinkley identified with Travis

01:16:02.600 and began to act like him

01:16:03.980 after he had seen the film 15 times.

01:16:06.720 He bought the same clothes,

01:16:09.180 ate the same foods,

01:16:10.660 drank the same liquors,

01:16:12.020 and invented a girlfriend

01:16:13.100 just as had Bickle.

01:16:14.960 In August of 1985,

01:16:16.800 1979,

01:16:17.580 he bought a .38 caliber pistol.

01:16:19.500 He bought a rifle.

01:16:20.640 And there's sequences in Taxi Driver,

01:16:22.900 if you remember,

01:16:23.380 where he's buying guns.

01:16:24.140 I don't know if you've seen it.

01:16:25.900 Have you seen Taxi Driver?

01:16:27.100 Yeah.

01:16:27.420 A long time ago, yeah.

01:16:28.320 They're like in a hotel buying guns.

01:16:30.440 So he literally is becoming Bickle.

01:16:34.100 That's what's really incredible.

01:16:36.140 So he wants to become,

01:16:37.460 he's identified and wants to become Bickle.

01:16:39.440 And we'll see the same thing with Chapman.

01:16:41.720 So this is John,

01:16:42.700 this is Bardo.

01:16:43.980 This is a scary looking guy.

01:16:45.480 Yeah.

01:16:46.120 If you ever see eyes like that,

01:16:47.500 like run for your life.

01:16:49.040 This is 89.

01:16:50.280 He killed this girl, Schaefer.

01:16:52.280 He was 19, supposedly,

01:16:53.840 and she's 21.

01:16:55.500 But this is the Los Angeles Times

01:16:57.720 about Bardo.

01:17:00.620 He, very recent,

01:17:02.000 he had,

01:17:02.660 he sent two years of like innocuous

01:17:04.940 letters to her.

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01:18:06.900 That's typical fan letters.

01:18:08.340 And then all of a sudden,

01:18:09.160 a very recent letter,

01:18:10.720 Bardo's obsession turned ominous,

01:18:12.220 authorities said.

01:18:13.720 And then it goes,

01:18:15.680 witnesses said they had seen

01:18:18.840 Schaefer's assailant fleeing the scene

01:18:20.240 in the yellow shirt,

01:18:21.180 jeans, and floppy sandals.

01:18:22.540 Yellow, just like the color

01:18:23.540 of Catcher in the Rye.

01:18:24.300 Weird, huh?

01:18:25.100 When Bardo was arrested in Tucson,

01:18:26.720 he was wearing a t-shirt,

01:18:27.700 jeans, and sandals.

01:18:28.380 A red paperback copy

01:18:29.820 of the Catcher in the Rye

01:18:31.200 was found on the roof

01:18:32.480 of the Beverly Palms Rehabilitation Center

01:18:34.600 on Beverly Boulevard.

01:18:36.820 He, Bardo, indicated

01:18:37.800 he threw a red-covered paperback book

01:18:39.620 entitled

01:18:40.400 The Catcher in the Rye

01:18:41.360 in the alley

01:18:41.840 while he was running.

01:18:43.760 The discovery of the book

01:18:44.880 harked back to the 1981 shooting

01:18:46.560 of former,

01:18:47.160 it's 1980,

01:18:48.000 they got their numbers wrong,

01:18:49.260 1981 shooting

01:18:50.760 of former Beatle John Lennon

01:18:51.980 by one-time mental patient

01:18:53.420 Mark David Chapman

01:18:54.580 in New York City.

01:18:55.220 After the obsessed fan

01:18:57.480 shot The Rock Singer,

01:18:58.380 he calmly took out a copy

01:18:59.460 of the J.D. Salinger novel

01:19:00.960 and was reading it.

01:19:03.920 What does it say?

01:19:05.280 And when police arrived.

01:19:06.040 Reading when police arrived.

01:19:07.280 I wonder what party's reading.

01:19:09.060 Right.

01:19:10.080 But these happened

01:19:10.980 so close to each other,

01:19:11.980 I was doing some research

01:19:12.900 on newspapers,

01:19:13.620 and here are two stories

01:19:15.440 right back to each other

01:19:17.000 about Hinckley

01:19:17.680 and Chapman together.

01:19:19.860 So he reads

01:19:20.940 Catcher in the Rye

01:19:22.680 passage in court.

01:19:23.540 We'll get to that.

01:19:24.100 So you see a picture

01:19:25.340 of Hinckley at the top,

01:19:27.540 Chapman at the bottom.

01:19:29.100 Both have MKL2 doctors.

01:19:30.800 We'll get to that.

01:19:31.440 I mean,

01:19:31.560 I don't know how much time

01:19:32.280 we got.

01:19:32.560 Maybe this is a two-parter,

01:19:33.640 but...

01:19:34.780 We got time.

01:19:36.040 This kind of thing,

01:19:37.140 by the way,

01:19:38.500 even if it's

01:19:39.600 not a well-written book,

01:19:41.200 if you have

01:19:42.220 a famous assassin

01:19:43.900 reading it,

01:19:45.960 you know that's going to do

01:19:46.800 real numbers

01:19:47.700 for the sales

01:19:48.560 immediately after.

01:19:49.340 Yeah, but in public schools?

01:19:50.400 Well, that's what's crazy, too.

01:19:52.940 You would think that

01:19:53.880 given the fact

01:19:55.960 that this is associated

01:19:56.720 with an assassination,

01:19:59.100 that they would...

01:20:01.080 You'd go,

01:20:01.520 probably not a good book

01:20:02.360 for children

01:20:02.860 because the assassin...

01:20:05.260 Right.

01:20:05.900 The correlation, right?

01:20:07.020 Like, hey,

01:20:07.660 the assassins are reading this.

01:20:08.960 Why should we put it out

01:20:09.940 in public?

01:20:10.620 Right,

01:20:11.000 unless, of course,

01:20:12.100 that was...

01:20:12.860 Well, the correlation

01:20:13.600 is assassins are reading this.

01:20:16.200 Continue to put it out

01:20:17.200 in public.

01:20:17.660 Let's make some more assassins, 0.98

01:20:20.020 right?

01:20:20.320 It's working.

01:20:21.100 Yeah, it's working.

01:20:22.020 We found our subjects.

01:20:23.860 This is great.

01:20:26.920 Hinkley underwent

01:20:27.740 more than three months

01:20:28.620 of testing

01:20:29.140 at the Federal Correctional Center

01:20:30.620 at Butner, North Carolina

01:20:32.080 by defense

01:20:32.780 and government psychiatrists

01:20:34.100 like that.

01:20:34.680 That should scare

01:20:35.660 at Quantico, Virginia.

01:20:38.860 There he is on the left.

01:20:44.760 This is Robert Bardo.

01:20:46.840 Obsessed fan,

01:20:47.520 Robert Bardo

01:20:48.040 carried the Catcher

01:20:48.680 on the Rye

01:20:49.000 because his assassin's kit

01:20:50.120 in his assassin's kit.

01:20:51.680 So it was part of his kit

01:20:52.600 to kill actress Rebecca Schaefer

01:20:54.680 because of John Lennon's killer

01:20:55.860 carried the same book.

01:20:57.660 That's it.

01:20:58.020 Park Elliot Dietz,

01:20:58.940 who's a pretty famous

01:20:59.820 psychiatrist.

01:21:02.380 Bardo identified closely

01:21:03.480 with Mark David Chapman,

01:21:05.200 Lennon's assassin,

01:21:06.000 and knew that Chapman

01:21:06.700 had the J.D. Salinger book

01:21:08.080 about a young man's alienation

01:21:09.500 with him when he shot Lennon.

01:21:11.380 It's not about alienation, guys.

01:21:13.160 This is, like,

01:21:14.480 so superficial, man.

01:21:15.880 It feels like people

01:21:17.780 will almost,

01:21:18.660 I don't think we can put,

01:21:21.280 we can overlook

01:21:22.140 how much influence

01:21:23.980 an assassin

01:21:25.740 will have on

01:21:27.180 a disenfranchised youth.

01:21:29.360 I think we still see that today.

01:21:31.660 That's why you get

01:21:32.740 copycat shooters

01:21:33.540 whenever it comes

01:21:34.180 to school shootings.

01:21:34.960 Didn't Mangione

01:21:37.480 have some kind of, like,

01:21:39.980 following,

01:21:40.840 and people admired him

01:21:41.740 for killing the head of the health?

01:21:44.120 People fell in love with him

01:21:46.180 after the fact.

01:21:47.480 So, yeah,

01:21:48.100 you create a cultural craze

01:21:50.740 amongst young,

01:21:52.280 short-sighted people.

01:21:54.920 I've heard it argued,

01:21:56.520 I think,

01:21:57.280 on this show

01:21:58.060 by a guest

01:21:58.940 that

01:21:59.500 it kind of connects

01:22:01.840 to what you're saying here

01:22:02.820 about the book,

01:22:04.560 some of the more

01:22:05.600 recent shootings

01:22:06.820 were used to

01:22:08.500 popularize SSRIs,

01:22:10.420 that that was actually

01:22:11.420 the real goal.

01:22:12.640 Not just, like,

01:22:13.540 gun laws

01:22:15.340 or whatever,

01:22:17.060 you know,

01:22:17.300 kind of a removal

01:22:18.140 of your freedoms,

01:22:19.820 but it is a way,

01:22:22.020 even though it sounds

01:22:22.640 counterintuitive,

01:22:23.840 to ingrain

01:22:24.720 the population

01:22:25.400 more and more

01:22:25.980 with SSRIs

01:22:26.960 and neurological-related

01:22:29.740 pharmaceuticals,

01:22:31.260 in the same way,

01:22:33.280 it almost seems like

01:22:34.100 they're, like,

01:22:34.800 using these things

01:22:35.660 to popularize

01:22:36.460 and push this book,

01:22:37.680 get it into pop culture,

01:22:38.680 get it into the hands

01:22:39.460 of the disenfranchised youth,

01:22:41.240 you know,

01:22:41.580 that sort of a thing.

01:22:45.020 Yeah.

01:22:46.200 Yeah.

01:22:47.120 His brain was split,

01:22:48.300 according to Dietz,

01:22:49.300 this guy,

01:22:49.880 Bardo.

01:22:50.900 He alternated

01:22:51.900 between seeing Schaefer

01:22:53.020 as all evil

01:22:53.840 or all good,

01:22:54.520 but not aware

01:22:55.780 of the shift

01:22:56.300 in his emotions,

01:22:57.080 much like

01:22:57.900 Holden Caulfield.

01:22:59.420 How did they know

01:23:00.140 all that stuff

01:23:00.660 to get this kind

01:23:01.780 of psychological state

01:23:03.480 into Holden Caulfield

01:23:04.500 in 1951?

01:23:07.220 But he's smart enough

01:23:08.280 to hire detectives

01:23:09.180 to track her down

01:23:10.580 in L.A.,

01:23:11.040 which is interesting,

01:23:11.960 so you've got to wonder

01:23:12.700 how detached

01:23:14.620 from reality

01:23:15.180 he really was.

01:23:18.380 Just another kind

01:23:19.400 of article

01:23:19.800 where they mention

01:23:20.500 Chapman and Hinckley

01:23:21.400 at the same time.

01:23:22.780 So these are happening.

01:23:24.080 Accused Killer

01:23:24.500 had a copy of Catcher,

01:23:25.540 that's Bardo.

01:23:26.460 So those are the three ones.

01:23:27.940 This is an article,

01:23:28.920 how the Catcher

01:23:29.440 on the Rye

01:23:29.800 is linked to JFK,

01:23:32.040 John Lennon,

01:23:32.760 and Rebecca Schaefer.

01:23:33.960 JFK.

01:23:35.200 There's a rumor,

01:23:36.120 I haven't really verified it,

01:23:37.340 but Oswald

01:23:38.060 had a copy of Catcher

01:23:40.160 on the Rye as well

01:23:41.220 in his library,

01:23:43.200 and that JFK

01:23:44.500 and Reagan

01:23:45.040 were both admirers

01:23:46.080 of the book,

01:23:47.180 Catcher on the Rye.

01:23:48.160 And you'll see

01:23:48.800 some real philanthropists 0.59

01:23:50.320 and psychopaths 0.95

01:23:51.700 like Catcher 0.97

01:23:52.340 on the Rye,

01:23:52.760 and it makes you

01:23:53.280 kind of wonder

01:23:53.800 when you know

01:23:54.560 this information

01:23:55.360 why they like the book,

01:23:57.280 right?

01:23:58.600 William,

01:23:59.100 do you think

01:23:59.400 it's a well-done book?

01:24:00.480 There you go.

01:24:03.040 I think it's incredibly

01:24:04.660 profound

01:24:06.540 and smart 0.77

01:24:07.460 and so well done.

01:24:09.320 I would say

01:24:09.860 like there's things

01:24:10.640 in there

01:24:10.960 that are too sophisticated

01:24:12.240 for me to like

01:24:15.040 believe that.

01:24:16.240 I mean,

01:24:16.460 it just brings up

01:24:17.560 the question,

01:24:18.160 like did this guy

01:24:18.800 really write this

01:24:19.700 or was he a front guy

01:24:20.720 because there's so many

01:24:22.060 psych,

01:24:22.300 I mean,

01:24:22.580 I know he was

01:24:23.180 in a psych ward,

01:24:24.340 so maybe he's familiar

01:24:25.380 with kind of

01:24:25.960 psychological states,

01:24:27.100 but there's something

01:24:27.960 about this that's

01:24:28.800 different than just

01:24:29.560 like going in

01:24:30.280 like the bell jar

01:24:31.300 where you're talking

01:24:32.440 about like being

01:24:33.340 depressed.

01:24:34.180 There's something

01:24:34.900 about this

01:24:35.440 that's like

01:24:36.440 malevolent

01:24:37.280 and negative 0.94

01:24:39.160 and nihilistic

01:24:40.020 that makes me

01:24:42.320 think something else

01:24:43.080 is going on,

01:24:43.760 you know,

01:24:44.560 like they're really

01:24:45.420 trying to change

01:24:46.080 the culture.

01:24:47.200 I think the question

01:24:47.900 is like for it

01:24:49.040 to pervade the culture.

01:24:50.140 So yeah,

01:24:50.680 the question you're

01:24:51.800 asking here is like

01:24:52.700 would it be a natural

01:24:54.720 phenomenon?

01:24:55.360 I don't think so

01:24:56.100 because like in the

01:24:57.120 same way Taylor Swift

01:24:58.020 is not a natural

01:24:58.760 phenomenon.

01:24:59.760 Like I can look at her

01:25:01.120 and I can say yes,

01:25:01.940 I can understand

01:25:02.620 why this is like

01:25:03.880 catchy,

01:25:04.480 but I can't understand

01:25:05.300 why it's catchy

01:25:06.100 to the level that it is.

01:25:08.020 You know what I mean?

01:25:08.880 Right,

01:25:09.140 yeah,

01:25:09.380 but all those artists

01:25:10.640 aren't natural

01:25:11.300 phenomenons.

01:25:11.920 They're all just

01:25:12.320 performers.

01:25:12.900 Somebody else is

01:25:13.300 writing their music

01:25:14.020 and doing all the

01:25:14.760 producing.

01:25:15.100 They just show up

01:25:15.800 and sing,

01:25:16.300 you know,

01:25:16.560 so I've heard

01:25:18.440 the same thing

01:25:19.220 about what's I got

01:25:22.000 friends in low places.

01:25:23.260 What's that guy's

01:25:23.800 name again?

01:25:24.940 Garth Brooks.

01:25:26.400 Yeah,

01:25:26.560 it's apparently

01:25:27.180 the same kind of

01:25:28.100 thing where he was

01:25:28.820 a singer,

01:25:29.480 but it's kind of

01:25:30.880 like a culture

01:25:31.440 creation to change

01:25:32.460 country and make

01:25:34.540 country more poppy

01:25:35.700 and more of like

01:25:36.740 arena type stuff.

01:25:38.720 Like I've heard

01:25:39.420 that.

01:25:40.140 So some of the

01:25:40.800 other country

01:25:41.180 musicians said

01:25:41.880 there was

01:25:42.120 something sketchy

01:25:43.300 about Garth Brooks.

01:25:44.260 Yeah,

01:25:45.220 I think Tom,

01:25:45.960 what's his name?

01:25:47.000 Tom Segura.

01:25:48.760 He like,

01:25:49.460 like blew the roof

01:25:50.360 off of Garth Brooks.

01:25:52.340 He accused him

01:25:53.100 of being a murderer

01:25:54.140 or something

01:25:54.600 and like it got

01:25:56.180 really weird

01:25:56.760 because he actually 0.93

01:25:57.340 might be a murderer.

01:25:59.320 I don't know.

01:26:00.180 Is that where it

01:26:00.720 ended up?

01:26:01.060 Because I used to

01:26:01.520 listen to their

01:26:02.080 podcast when they

01:26:03.460 were running that

01:26:04.020 joke at its height

01:26:04.820 and it was,

01:26:05.440 you know,

01:26:05.740 it was just a,

01:26:07.300 basically the guy's

01:26:08.060 got such a look

01:26:08.740 in his eyes

01:26:09.360 and he's so

01:26:10.600 unnatural when

01:26:11.460 he does interviews

01:26:12.320 that like

01:26:13.200 Garth Brooks.

01:26:14.040 Yeah,

01:26:14.260 they're like,

01:26:14.840 he's like a serial

01:26:15.560 killer.

01:26:15.860 And then they 0.93

01:26:16.400 just started

01:26:16.980 that rumor

01:26:17.600 and then,

01:26:18.320 yeah,

01:26:18.440 I don't know,

01:26:18.860 I guess maybe

01:26:19.680 you're right.

01:26:20.080 Has it gotten

01:26:20.460 to the point

01:26:20.920 now where

01:26:21.380 Garth Brooks

01:26:22.480 actually has

01:26:23.460 some allegations

01:26:24.660 being levied

01:26:25.260 against him?

01:26:27.140 Yes.

01:26:28.320 Yeah.

01:26:29.620 Well,

01:26:30.140 you should read

01:26:30.820 my podcast.

01:26:32.420 My book,

01:26:34.360 I actually

01:26:34.840 have a full

01:26:35.340 chapter on

01:26:36.280 what happened

01:26:38.320 to Riley Strain

01:26:39.200 in Nashville,

01:26:40.020 Tennessee.

01:26:41.360 Okay,

01:26:41.900 there we go.

01:26:42.580 That'd be

01:26:42.940 interesting.

01:26:43.680 Anyway,

01:26:43.920 this is the

01:26:44.320 picture from,

01:26:45.180 I'm not trying

01:26:45.560 to change the

01:26:46.040 subject,

01:26:46.500 but this is

01:26:48.460 the Catcher

01:26:48.900 in the Rye

01:26:49.220 red cover.

01:26:50.400 This is all

01:26:51.080 about psychological

01:26:51.780 states and call

01:26:52.880 it like the kid

01:26:53.780 has the shine,

01:26:54.560 right?

01:26:54.720 So he's kind

01:26:55.240 of special like

01:26:55.900 Coalfield or

01:26:56.500 whatever.

01:26:57.960 I forgot the

01:26:58.880 kid's name.

01:27:00.060 It is interest.

01:27:00.980 What's up?

01:27:01.480 Danny.

01:27:03.000 In,

01:27:03.440 in the end,

01:27:04.760 I think that

01:27:05.400 Phoebe is wearing

01:27:06.440 a blue dress

01:27:07.320 too.

01:27:08.400 When he sees

01:27:09.300 her on the

01:27:09.660 carousel,

01:27:10.720 she's wearing

01:27:11.300 a blue dress.

01:27:12.000 So this is kind

01:27:12.720 of,

01:27:12.880 maybe they knew

01:27:13.520 they're reading

01:27:14.160 it like they

01:27:14.640 knew it.

01:27:16.260 And this is

01:27:16.880 all about

01:27:17.480 schizophrenia

01:27:18.800 and,

01:27:19.460 you know,

01:27:20.440 scatterbrain

01:27:21.180 type stuff.

01:27:22.420 This is the

01:27:23.160 movie.

01:27:23.920 I think,

01:27:24.560 I don't,

01:27:24.940 it's either been

01:27:25.600 brought in,

01:27:26.740 but this is

01:27:27.720 a conspiracy

01:27:29.020 theory.

01:27:29.880 There's like a

01:27:30.660 sequence in here

01:27:31.480 where he,

01:27:32.660 let me see if I

01:27:33.240 can bring that

01:27:33.780 up where he

01:27:35.000 like goes to

01:27:35.800 buy the

01:27:36.900 Catcher in the

01:27:37.380 Rye at a,

01:27:37.920 at a bookstore

01:27:38.500 just like,

01:27:39.880 you know,

01:27:41.240 Chapman does.

01:27:42.220 Let me see if I

01:27:42.720 can bring it

01:27:43.440 up.

01:27:44.500 You should be

01:27:45.180 able to play

01:27:45.620 this.

01:27:48.980 Can you play

01:27:49.640 this video?

01:27:50.660 Sure.

01:27:50.980 Here we go.

01:27:51.700 You receive?

01:27:52.540 Yeah.

01:27:53.460 Thank you.

01:27:55.640 Catch in the Rye.

01:27:57.120 Yeah.

01:27:57.740 It's a classic.

01:27:59.220 Yeah.

01:27:59.600 Have you ever read

01:28:00.140 it?

01:28:00.280 You know,

01:28:00.820 I've never

01:28:02.440 read it.

01:28:03.480 Never?

01:28:04.120 No,

01:28:04.500 I haven't.

01:28:04.880 I've never

01:28:05.160 read it.

01:28:05.360 Catch.

01:28:05.980 I never.

01:28:12.600 Film is this?

01:28:14.200 That's conspiracy

01:28:15.040 theory with

01:28:16.020 Mel Gibson.

01:28:16.960 So,

01:28:17.540 I mean,

01:28:17.980 you know,

01:28:18.860 it's just strange

01:28:19.600 because I recognize

01:28:20.600 the way you're

01:28:21.040 describing the main

01:28:21.740 character in Catcher

01:28:22.480 of the Rye is

01:28:23.060 having like,

01:28:24.200 you know,

01:28:24.460 bouts of delusion

01:28:26.080 and paranoia and

01:28:26.980 things like that.

01:28:27.640 And then this

01:28:28.080 element,

01:28:28.960 you know,

01:28:29.360 seemingly just based

01:28:30.100 off of that short

01:28:30.780 clip stays true

01:28:32.180 all the way to

01:28:32.580 this film.

01:28:33.620 Yeah.

01:28:34.040 Yeah,

01:28:34.320 no,

01:28:34.560 it's pretty,

01:28:35.020 it's pretty crazy.

01:28:37.340 So,

01:28:38.300 this is kind of

01:28:39.760 like the free,

01:28:40.300 this is Joe Atwell's

01:28:41.280 research.

01:28:41.760 He says that

01:28:42.240 there's like a

01:28:42.940 subtext of

01:28:43.940 secret societies

01:28:45.660 in Catcher

01:28:47.120 in the Rye.

01:28:48.100 And this is,

01:28:49.220 this last sentence

01:28:50.840 he writes,

01:28:51.580 this is from

01:28:52.140 2015.

01:28:53.540 It is alleged

01:28:54.080 that Lee Harvey

01:28:54.640 Oswald had a

01:28:55.380 copy in his

01:28:55.880 apartment and

01:28:56.480 that it was

01:28:56.860 one of his

01:28:57.220 favorite books,

01:28:58.200 though this is

01:28:58.800 disputed,

01:28:59.400 so I can't

01:28:59.860 verify that.

01:29:00.940 I got to check

01:29:01.420 this page out.

01:29:02.260 There's like,

01:29:02.600 look at these

01:29:03.000 tags,

01:29:03.740 Josephus,

01:29:06.040 Ashkenazi.

01:29:07.100 His kind of

01:29:07.780 claim to fame

01:29:08.620 is that the

01:29:09.280 New Testament's

01:29:10.040 fake and it

01:29:10.540 was created

01:29:11.080 by the Roman

01:29:12.260 Empire as a 0.50

01:29:13.900 form of

01:29:14.380 culture creation.

01:29:15.600 Oh,

01:29:15.880 okay.

01:29:16.060 He's one of

01:29:16.440 these types.

01:29:16.860 Okay.

01:29:17.700 He's definitely

01:29:18.380 one of those

01:29:18.860 types and we

01:29:19.700 can talk,

01:29:20.080 we can talk

01:29:20.740 off of that.

01:29:21.200 I know

01:29:24.260 too much.

01:29:24.760 I've known

01:29:25.080 some of those

01:29:25.540 history.

01:29:26.720 LSD,

01:29:27.380 Lucifer,

01:29:28.840 MK.

01:29:29.080 Yeah.

01:29:29.960 Whenever they're

01:29:30.640 promoting LSD,

01:29:32.000 you got to

01:29:32.360 really sit up

01:29:32.980 in your chair.

01:29:34.600 It was

01:29:35.140 interesting.

01:29:35.540 I did a show

01:29:36.060 with another

01:29:36.460 guy,

01:29:36.780 Hans Uter.

01:29:37.580 Like these

01:29:38.060 other books

01:29:38.660 that came out

01:29:39.240 at the time

01:29:39.720 of Catcher

01:29:40.700 in the Rye,

01:29:41.240 I think are

01:29:41.640 very telling.

01:29:43.080 And it's

01:29:43.340 very interesting

01:29:44.020 that he

01:29:44.420 commented on

01:29:45.180 because the

01:29:46.140 Catcher

01:29:46.440 in the Rye

01:29:46.900 didn't come

01:29:47.420 out in a

01:29:47.860 vacuum.

01:29:48.280 There was

01:29:48.480 another book

01:29:49.200 about something

01:29:50.500 where they

01:29:50.860 promoted LSD

01:29:51.920 usage,

01:29:52.940 right?

01:29:53.220 I can't

01:29:53.520 remember what

01:29:54.000 it was.

01:29:54.960 And then

01:29:55.160 there was

01:29:55.420 another one

01:29:55.980 that was

01:29:56.280 about kind

01:29:56.780 of a

01:29:57.180 schizo girl. 0.56

01:29:58.520 Like why

01:29:58.940 are people

01:29:59.300 getting exposed

01:30:00.000 to this

01:30:00.380 in high

01:30:00.700 school?

01:30:02.160 So I

01:30:02.740 think that

01:30:03.100 that,

01:30:04.240 seeing the

01:30:05.880 other books

01:30:06.320 that came

01:30:06.820 out,

01:30:08.020 Oswald's

01:30:08.480 connection to

01:30:09.000 the book,

01:30:09.380 that was

01:30:09.620 from

01:30:09.920 Chet.

01:30:10.940 It's at

01:30:11.260 the same

01:30:11.560 time that

01:30:11.960 our own

01:30:12.420 intelligence

01:30:13.240 agencies

01:30:13.740 developed an

01:30:14.280 interest in

01:30:14.660 these topics.

01:30:15.140 We maintain

01:30:17.580 on this

01:30:17.980 show that

01:30:18.400 the intelligence

01:30:18.920 agencies are

01:30:19.660 responsible for

01:30:20.700 manufacturing culture

01:30:22.500 here in the

01:30:22.940 West.

01:30:23.520 It's been as

01:30:24.620 far back as

01:30:25.280 the anti-war

01:30:26.240 movement and

01:30:27.180 Laurel Canyon and

01:30:27.900 the Doors and

01:30:28.360 such, but I

01:30:29.040 would argue

01:30:29.380 probably before

01:30:30.280 that, nothing

01:30:31.580 new.

01:30:31.700 Is the

01:30:33.380 movie, the

01:30:33.900 book, The

01:30:34.640 Doors of

01:30:35.020 Perception by

01:30:35.600 Aldous Huxley?

01:30:36.780 No, no.

01:30:37.740 I have to go

01:30:38.340 back and get

01:30:39.220 it.

01:30:39.560 I did a show

01:30:40.220 with Hans

01:30:40.580 Uter about

01:30:41.220 this, but

01:30:41.720 it was a

01:30:43.080 woman's 0.82

01:30:44.880 book.

01:30:46.660 I'm sorry, I

01:30:47.600 really should

01:30:48.080 have that,

01:30:48.420 because I

01:30:49.140 think it's

01:30:49.440 important,

01:30:49.960 because Catcher

01:30:50.400 on the

01:30:50.560 Ride didn't

01:30:50.920 come out,

01:30:51.440 like I said,

01:30:52.160 in the back,

01:30:52.680 it wasn't by

01:30:53.220 itself.

01:30:54.360 But this is

01:30:55.040 a quote,

01:30:55.460 this is a

01:30:55.940 people shooting

01:30:56.620 hat, I

01:30:57.140 said. 0.99

01:30:57.840 I shoot 1.00

01:30:58.440 people in 1.00

01:30:59.140 this hat.

01:31:00.780 This is a

01:31:01.360 direct quote

01:31:02.000 from the

01:31:02.340 book.

01:31:03.880 And that's

01:31:04.220 people shooting

01:31:05.220 hats, a

01:31:05.660 chain smoker,

01:31:06.400 he's a

01:31:06.620 pyromaniac.

01:31:08.120 He says he's 0.99

01:31:09.000 a sex 1.00

01:31:09.380 maniac, so 1.00

01:31:09.900 this madman 1.00

01:31:10.880 maniac, words 1.00

01:31:13.080 are repeated

01:31:13.780 almost on

01:31:14.460 every page.

01:31:15.260 Think about

01:31:15.580 the psychic

01:31:16.100 driving of

01:31:16.820 that.

01:31:17.800 So that's

01:31:19.120 the whole

01:31:19.420 thing about,

01:31:20.440 and I've

01:31:20.700 seen

01:31:20.900 misinterpretations

01:31:22.080 of other

01:31:23.620 public figures,

01:31:24.920 and you

01:31:25.280 kind of

01:31:25.620 wonder,

01:31:26.140 who's

01:31:26.880 writing

01:31:27.240 these

01:31:27.540 books,

01:31:27.940 these

01:31:28.100 critical

01:31:28.540 books about

01:31:29.800 certain

01:31:30.520 things,

01:31:30.860 because they

01:31:31.880 don't understand

01:31:32.540 really what's

01:31:33.240 going on in

01:31:33.840 these books.

01:31:35.440 I mean,

01:31:36.280 the same thing

01:31:36.760 happened when I

01:31:37.320 was researching

01:31:37.900 Crowley 15

01:31:38.680 years ago.

01:31:39.220 like, he's

01:31:40.080 a dabbler.

01:31:41.320 He, you

01:31:42.080 know, didn't

01:31:44.840 know much

01:31:45.340 about it.

01:31:45.600 And then you

01:31:45.860 start reading

01:31:46.300 Crowley, this

01:31:46.820 guy, this

01:31:47.460 guy's like an 0.56

01:31:48.040 encyclopedia of

01:31:49.060 the occult.

01:31:49.800 He's trying to

01:31:50.600 like, he

01:31:51.300 literally wrote

01:31:51.980 his own

01:31:52.280 encyclopedias,

01:31:53.420 knows everything

01:31:54.080 about the

01:31:54.500 occult, and

01:31:54.940 all these people

01:31:55.420 are calling him

01:31:55.940 a dabbler.

01:31:57.020 Like, that's

01:31:57.480 his whole life.

01:31:58.040 He's literally

01:31:58.580 drinking blood

01:31:59.800 and eating

01:32:00.800 human effluents,

01:32:03.560 and I mean,

01:32:04.000 just like really

01:32:04.640 crazy stuff.

01:32:05.520 Well, that's

01:32:06.340 what makes me

01:32:06.780 wonder, sometimes

01:32:07.540 you're going to

01:32:07.940 try to find the

01:32:08.540 connection between

01:32:09.200 like an author

01:32:09.820 who previously

01:32:10.540 didn't write

01:32:11.160 anything of any

01:32:11.740 consequence and

01:32:12.500 then suddenly

01:32:12.940 writes a book

01:32:13.560 that is massively

01:32:15.880 culturally significant

01:32:16.880 and is riddled

01:32:17.780 with elements of

01:32:18.500 hypnosis and

01:32:19.120 MKUltra and

01:32:20.060 schizophrenia and all 0.99

01:32:20.820 this other shit 0.99

01:32:21.300 and then becomes 0.99

01:32:21.860 part of this

01:32:22.380 sort of, you

01:32:24.520 know, these

01:32:25.060 big events in

01:32:26.180 the country moving

01:32:26.780 forward.

01:32:27.640 You try to find

01:32:28.420 the connective

01:32:28.920 tissue, and it's

01:32:30.080 like, it's

01:32:30.520 difficult to, but

01:32:31.500 the CIA also

01:32:33.120 has its hands

01:32:34.540 in trying to

01:32:35.020 understand the

01:32:35.540 occult, trying to

01:32:37.040 understand psychic

01:32:37.740 abilities and such.

01:32:38.820 I just wonder if

01:32:39.720 it's of a spiritual

01:32:40.640 nature, because so

01:32:41.600 many times

01:32:42.600 throughout history

01:32:43.180 when somebody

01:32:43.600 makes a great

01:32:44.060 work of art,

01:32:44.940 they attribute it

01:32:45.700 to, you know,

01:32:47.060 it came to me

01:32:47.560 in a dream, the

01:32:48.260 muses gave it to 0.94

01:32:49.320 me, yada yada.

01:32:50.740 So, you know,

01:32:52.580 you would struggle

01:32:53.660 then to find the

01:32:54.560 connection except

01:32:55.400 for the idea that

01:32:56.400 the intelligence

01:32:57.120 agencies might be

01:32:58.140 in contact with

01:32:59.700 the same spiritual

01:33:00.600 entities.

01:33:01.500 that are telling

01:33:02.240 this guy to

01:33:02.700 write this book.

01:33:05.800 Yeah, I mean, a

01:33:06.940 lot of these, the

01:33:07.540 CIA was founded by

01:33:08.740 guys from Skull

01:33:09.460 and Bones.

01:33:10.340 So, like, when

01:33:11.200 Truman's there and

01:33:12.680 the NSA Act is

01:33:13.880 being signed, like,

01:33:15.180 for the people

01:33:15.680 behind Truman are

01:33:16.920 Skull and Bonesmen.

01:33:18.140 These are all

01:33:18.620 occultists.

01:33:19.160 These are high-level

01:33:20.580 intelligent occultists,

01:33:21.740 the scariest kind,

01:33:22.900 because they're not,

01:33:24.540 like, caricatures

01:33:26.100 like LeVay.

01:33:26.780 Like, these are

01:33:27.240 people who wear

01:33:28.460 Brooks Brothers

01:33:29.340 suits, like

01:33:29.980 Holden Caulfield,

01:33:30.920 like, scions of

01:33:32.880 wealthy families and

01:33:33.780 stuff.

01:33:34.520 Let me read, like,

01:33:35.460 you want to talk

01:33:36.000 about MKL, to

01:33:36.620 listen to this.

01:33:37.640 This is from page

01:33:38.360 73.

01:33:39.940 He's talking, he's

01:33:40.840 like flim-flamming

01:33:41.880 this mother of his

01:33:43.200 buddy, of one of his

01:33:44.220 schoolmates.

01:33:44.780 He doesn't know very

01:33:45.400 well, but he's lying

01:33:46.500 to her.

01:33:46.800 He says he can't lie

01:33:47.460 forever.

01:33:48.700 Old Miss Morrow 0.71

01:33:49.360 didn't say anything,

01:33:50.320 but boy, you should

01:33:51.300 have seen her.

01:33:52.220 I had her glued to

01:33:53.220 her seat.

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01:34:54.400 You take somebody's 0.74

01:34:55.040 mother, all they want

01:34:55.840 to hear about is what a

01:34:56.980 hot shot their son is.

01:34:58.500 Then I really started 1.00

01:34:59.620 clucking the old crap 0.99

01:35:00.780 around. 1.00

01:35:01.600 Did he tell you about

01:35:02.700 the elections I asked

01:35:03.640 her?

01:35:04.120 The class elections?

01:35:05.560 She shook her head.

01:35:07.260 I had her in a trance

01:35:08.920 like I really did.

01:35:13.300 What an interesting use

01:35:14.800 of word.

01:35:15.140 If you know this kind of,

01:35:16.080 and we'll see this later,

01:35:16.920 but if you know this

01:35:18.580 like things like he's

01:35:19.580 manipulated, super

01:35:20.800 manipulative in the not

01:35:21.920 a good way.

01:35:23.740 And that's often a,

01:35:25.080 an aspect of psychopaths

01:35:28.420 and narcissists, right? 0.79

01:35:29.320 Is that they're, they're 0.79

01:35:30.320 manipulators.

01:35:31.360 Yeah.

01:35:32.020 Total manipulative.

01:35:33.780 Yeah.

01:35:34.260 He doesn't have any

01:35:35.080 redeeming character.

01:35:35.840 If you're a total piece 1.00

01:35:37.040 of garbage, he has 1.00

01:35:38.940 redeeming, Colton Caulfield 0.98

01:35:40.280 has redeeming

01:35:40.880 characteristics.

01:35:41.860 It's very dark when you

01:35:42.980 read it.

01:35:43.340 I would suggest people

01:35:44.720 read this book and

01:35:45.480 actually I'd be willing,

01:35:47.060 you know, send me an

01:35:47.680 email if you think like

01:35:48.620 you found something good,

01:35:50.020 like, oh, he's intelligent

01:35:50.880 or something.

01:35:51.640 Maybe that's the case,

01:35:52.620 but like it's dark.

01:35:54.380 This is a story.

01:35:55.420 This is a recent book on

01:35:56.540 the assassination of John

01:35:57.860 Lennon where this author,

01:35:59.120 David Whelan, who I've

01:36:00.000 interviewed, he doesn't

01:36:01.340 even think Lennon, I mean,

01:36:02.860 Chapman shot Lennon because

01:36:05.020 of the, the kill, the

01:36:06.620 pattern of bullets on

01:36:08.320 Lennon's body.

01:36:09.440 So, um, it's really

01:36:12.820 disturbing, like he, he 1.00

01:36:14.100 just was in there and

01:36:15.080 we'll get into that, but

01:36:16.280 this is the book that I'm

01:36:17.320 going to reference, the

01:36:18.080 murder of John Lennon by

01:36:19.020 Fenton Bresla, and we

01:36:20.600 can do some readings on

01:36:21.580 this, you know, keep

01:36:22.800 going.

01:36:24.620 When you come to read in

01:36:25.780 detail about how Mark

01:36:26.740 Chapman behaved after

01:36:27.820 Lennon's murder, you will

01:36:28.960 find a striking parallel

01:36:30.260 between the days as if in a

01:36:33.420 trance-like condition of

01:36:35.060 the two men.

01:36:36.760 Mark remembered more of

01:36:37.680 the actual killing, but

01:36:38.460 otherwise their reactions

01:36:39.480 were also identical.

01:36:40.520 This is between Sir

01:36:41.320 Sirhan Sirhan and

01:36:42.900 Chapman.

01:36:43.340 So you see this trance

01:36:44.280 word we just covered,

01:36:45.240 right?

01:36:48.380 This is the tie between

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01:38:25.600 There's an odd footnote to

01:38:26.800 all this.

01:38:27.360 The principal medical

01:38:28.100 defense witness for

01:38:29.040 Sirhan was Dr. Bernard

01:38:30.120 Diamond of the University of

01:38:31.800 California, one of America's

01:38:33.000 leading psychiatrists.

01:38:34.480 Who used hypnosis in his

01:38:35.720 work.

01:38:36.720 Thirteen years later, he

01:38:37.700 was to be one of the

01:38:38.560 defense psychiatrists for

01:38:39.820 Mark's case.

01:38:41.320 His diagnosis for the two

01:38:42.780 men was the same, paranoid

01:38:43.920 schizophrenia. 0.57

01:38:45.380 Yet he seems not to have

01:38:46.340 used hypnosis in either of

01:38:47.560 his two interviews with

01:38:48.520 Mark.

01:38:49.120 Although he hypnotized

01:38:50.100 Sirhan on six of his eight

01:38:51.240 visits to great effect.

01:38:53.300 For instance, when Mr.

01:38:54.720 Dr.

01:38:55.060 Diamond asked Sirhan where

01:38:56.160 he had concealed his gun

01:38:57.180 while waiting for Kennedy,

01:38:58.660 Sirhan in his trance went

01:39:01.000 for the inside of his belt on

01:39:02.060 the left side and the

01:39:03.940 police at last knew where

01:39:05.060 he'd carried the weapon.

01:39:06.080 So you see this trance.

01:39:07.700 So why is this word trance

01:39:09.540 in this book?

01:39:10.320 Like the word, the

01:39:12.500 terminology is way too

01:39:13.800 sophisticated for catcher on

01:39:15.740 the rye.

01:39:16.080 I got to tell you, it's

01:39:16.840 really disturbing.

01:39:20.040 And they see this kind of

01:39:21.360 repeated phraseology right

01:39:22.940 here.

01:39:23.640 Sirhan wrote, yes, yes,

01:39:24.680 yes. 1.00

01:39:25.000 Are you crazy? 0.99

01:39:25.700 No, no. 0.99

01:39:26.500 Well, why are you writing 0.91

01:39:27.300 crazy?

01:39:27.780 Practice, practice, practice.

01:39:28.920 Practice for what mind

01:39:30.440 control, mind control, mind

01:39:31.620 control was the written

01:39:33.200 reply.

01:39:33.900 Right.

01:39:34.540 And then you go back to

01:39:36.260 catcher on the rye.

01:39:37.840 Page 19.

01:39:38.920 You will, you will, you

01:39:40.100 will.

01:39:40.860 And this whole notion of

01:39:42.220 the will is like the

01:39:43.820 personal will.

01:39:45.420 But it's very important.

01:39:47.880 Like you will do it.

01:39:49.540 You know, like this is the

01:39:50.600 individual guy.

01:39:51.540 This is repeated page 19

01:39:53.080 to catcher on the rye.

01:39:53.980 This repeated.

01:39:54.900 There's these repetitions

01:39:56.040 that come through here.

01:39:57.260 Yeah, it's a mantra.

01:39:57.940 And then the trigger

01:39:58.860 word, same thing in the

01:40:00.380 shining, right?

01:40:00.980 Red rum.

01:40:01.820 And then she reads it

01:40:03.320 and he's like, oh, now 1.00

01:40:04.060 I'm going to kill you. 1.00

01:40:05.780 Yeah, no, it's bad. 1.00

01:40:09.560 So New York, Mark

01:40:11.760 has given me a list of

01:40:12.440 objects Mark's had on

01:40:13.440 him when he took into

01:40:14.040 police custody.

01:40:15.140 It includes Mark's copy

01:40:16.080 of the catcher on the

01:40:16.760 rye, key to North

01:40:17.700 or cultural room, bank

01:40:19.580 of Hawaii visa card.

01:40:20.720 So you see Honolulu,

01:40:22.280 which is where this guy

01:40:23.440 Ruth and Mangianu both

01:40:24.780 were in Hawaii.

01:40:25.380 And you can just go

01:40:27.540 on.

01:40:30.980 The second most popular

01:40:32.080 misconception about Mark

01:40:33.460 relates to J.G.

01:40:34.500 Salinger's famous novel

01:40:35.800 The Catcher on the Rye.

01:40:36.600 The theory is that he

01:40:37.340 had always identified

01:40:38.040 himself with Holden

01:40:38.880 Caulfield, the book's

01:40:40.080 phony-hating 16-year-old

01:40:41.180 hero ever since he first

01:40:42.760 read Catcher at the same

01:40:43.720 age.

01:40:43.940 Well, that wasn't the case.

01:40:45.720 It's just that he took it

01:40:47.020 on himself leading up to

01:40:49.260 the murders, as it says

01:40:52.120 in this book.

01:40:52.760 And then he writes,

01:40:55.240 after all, this is the

01:40:56.560 book that the amazed

01:40:57.280 New York policeman found

01:40:58.300 him quietly reading

01:41:00.340 outside the Dakota,

01:41:01.900 which was where

01:41:02.860 Rosemary's Baby was

01:41:03.860 filmed, by the way.

01:41:05.740 When he had thrown

01:41:06.420 down, this is right on

01:41:07.220 Central Park, right where

01:41:08.040 the book takes place,

01:41:08.940 right?

01:41:09.640 So Dakota, Central Park.

01:41:12.260 He had thrown down his

01:41:12.960 gun immediately after

01:41:13.700 killing Lennon with the

01:41:14.600 inscription inside the

01:41:15.660 cover written by Mark

01:41:16.880 to Holden Caulfield

01:41:18.880 from Holden Caulfield.

01:41:20.740 This is my statement.

01:41:22.760 So much like Hinckley, who

01:41:24.740 became Travis Bickle,

01:41:28.960 Chapman becomes Holden

01:41:30.380 Caulfield in his mind.

01:41:32.600 In his prison cell awaiting

01:41:33.560 trial, he maintained, the

01:41:34.640 reason I killed John Lennon

01:41:35.740 was to gain prominence, to

01:41:37.380 promote the reading of J.D.

01:41:39.660 Salinger's Catcher in the Rye.

01:41:41.460 I'm not saying I'm a messiah or

01:41:43.580 anything like that.

01:41:44.840 If you read the book and you

01:41:46.040 understand my past, you will

01:41:47.240 see that I am indeed the

01:41:49.880 Catcher in the Rye of this

01:41:52.040 generation.

01:41:53.820 Fascinating.

01:41:54.600 I love that, too, where he's

01:41:55.860 basically like, yes, this is a

01:41:57.240 commercial for the Catcher in the

01:41:58.380 Rye.

01:42:00.040 He's promoting.

01:42:00.980 He does it in court, too.

01:42:02.220 So you'll see this later in

01:42:03.380 court.

01:42:03.660 He says this in jail, but he

01:42:05.680 does it again.

01:42:06.340 And we'll see this.

01:42:07.420 So according to him, the point

01:42:08.660 is the Catcher in the Rye.

01:42:10.420 That's the entire point.

01:42:11.740 Precisely.

01:42:12.140 It's worth mentioning here that

01:42:14.280 Google says the individuals with

01:42:17.200 dissociative identity disorder

01:42:19.200 have the highest hypnotizability of

01:42:23.540 any clinical group, followed by

01:42:25.460 those with post-traumatic stress

01:42:26.900 disorder.

01:42:28.500 And a moment ago, what you were

01:42:30.620 reading there indicated that he

01:42:33.700 perceives himself as somebody else.

01:42:37.120 I don't know.

01:42:37.280 As Holden Caulfield.

01:42:38.240 That's what he wrote in his book.

01:42:39.360 He was right.

01:42:40.020 So I don't know what you would

01:42:41.120 call a identity disorder more

01:42:44.340 than that.

01:42:45.360 The channeling almost.

01:42:47.140 Yeah.

01:42:47.560 Yeah.

01:42:47.920 Yeah.

01:42:48.240 So so if you can and this gets

01:42:50.740 down into the sort of the MK

01:42:52.660 Ultra thing about traumatizing

01:42:54.540 children in order to be able to

01:42:57.260 program them, it's like at first

01:42:58.400 the trauma needs to happen and

01:42:59.400 then the program, you know,

01:43:00.680 programming takes place

01:43:01.480 afterwards.

01:43:01.960 Seems that trauma is a

01:43:03.660 fracturing of identity.

01:43:05.940 And if you can achieve that and

01:43:08.660 then then you have an incredibly

01:43:10.380 malleable candidate.

01:43:16.240 Indeed.

01:43:21.240 This is from page 139.

01:43:23.140 Mark's life changes.

01:43:24.020 So he goes through this personality

01:43:25.240 change.

01:43:25.660 It's much like Mangione, right?

01:43:28.040 He was he was clearly a difficult

01:43:29.240 time for him.

01:43:29.780 And now an ominous new factor came

01:43:31.800 into his life.

01:43:32.380 He became interested in the catcher

01:43:34.040 in the rye.

01:43:34.600 We do not know why.

01:43:35.720 We do not know if anyone suggested

01:43:37.760 it to him.

01:43:38.980 And if so, who catches a book that

01:43:41.240 most people read once in their

01:43:42.320 life in their teens.

01:43:43.300 That is it.

01:43:44.320 Why on earth seemingly out of the

01:43:45.700 blue did Mark suddenly get so

01:43:46.940 involved in a book that like most

01:43:49.000 of his generation of young

01:43:50.040 Americans had already he had 0.98

01:43:51.480 already read before at school

01:43:53.620 nearly 10 years ago.

01:43:55.120 So is it absolutely too far fetched

01:44:02.320 to contemplate that there may have

01:44:03.520 been a connection between these

01:44:04.660 two events?

01:44:05.280 Reagan emerging as a front runner

01:44:06.560 in the election stakes and Mark

01:44:08.360 now picking up catcher again with

01:44:10.560 the further coincidence of Lennon

01:44:12.020 striding back and renewed vigor

01:44:13.500 into the hit factory in Manhattan

01:44:15.580 to record his comeback album

01:44:17.420 double fantasy.

01:44:18.500 If catcher with an explosive effect

01:44:20.900 on Mark was indeed the trigger for

01:44:23.000 his program mind serving to put him

01:44:24.360 on alert in case of call,

01:44:26.060 it all does seem to come together

01:44:27.500 with remarkable weakness.

01:44:32.180 This is basically him like

01:44:34.060 this is him kind of going through

01:44:38.980 catcher in the rye and all this

01:44:40.660 stuff.

01:44:41.000 I mean, we can, I can read this.

01:44:44.740 The imbalance in the psychological

01:44:46.300 makeup of immature 16 year old

01:44:48.060 Holden Caulfield exactly suited the

01:44:49.700 temperament of bewildered, unhappy

01:44:51.640 25 year old Mark Chapman.

01:44:53.020 Nor is this better exemplified than in

01:44:55.320 the passage towards the end of

01:44:56.540 catcher when Holden visiting his

01:44:58.460 beloved younger sister, Phoebe's

01:44:59.880 school in an abortive attempt to

01:45:01.520 talk to her, sees the words F you

01:45:03.820 written on a wall quote.

01:45:05.720 It drove me damn near crazy.

01:45:07.520 I thought how Phoebe and all the

01:45:08.780 other little kids would see it and

01:45:10.720 how they'd wonder what the hell it

01:45:11.840 meant. 0.99

01:45:12.340 And then finally some dirty kid would 1.00

01:45:13.940 tell them I kept wanting to kill 1.00

01:45:15.760 whoever written it. 0.99

01:45:16.940 I figured it was some perverty bomb

01:45:18.520 that sneaked into school late at night

01:45:20.080 and then wrote it on the wall.

01:45:22.380 I kept picturing myself catching him

01:45:23.960 at it.

01:45:24.260 So there's the catcher thing.

01:45:25.780 Catching him at it and how it

01:45:27.100 smashed his head upon the stone

01:45:28.540 steps until he was good and 1.00

01:45:30.280 goddamn dead and bloody. 0.99

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01:46:32.260 But I knew too, I wouldn't have the

01:46:34.060 guts to do it.

01:46:35.140 That made me even more depressed.

01:46:38.180 So this is a theme of violence.

01:46:40.200 Like this is extreme violence.

01:46:41.560 Smashes head against the wall, 1.00

01:46:42.820 dead and bloody. 0.88

01:46:44.140 And this catching thing, like he's

01:46:45.780 catching people doing wrong and

01:46:47.320 striking out.

01:46:48.760 Sounds like somebody who's exposed

01:46:50.520 to some sort of trauma when they were

01:46:52.120 a kid.

01:46:52.580 Apparently those who have will often

01:46:55.760 grow into adulthood with a very

01:46:57.380 strong sense of desire for justice

01:47:00.620 or righteousness.

01:47:02.020 And it's probably because of the ways

01:47:03.060 that they were done wrong as a

01:47:05.140 child.

01:47:06.140 And that to me right there sounded

01:47:08.060 like fits that though.

01:47:11.520 The idea of cowardice as well.

01:47:13.680 It's like this weird admission of

01:47:16.100 I know I'm not brave enough to do it.

01:47:19.220 It's strange to say.

01:47:21.680 No, it's strange.

01:47:22.440 These correlations are really

01:47:23.660 strange.

01:47:23.920 This is the day of the killing.

01:47:26.760 He's as you walk the 20 blocks up

01:47:28.980 to the Dakota on West 72nd Street

01:47:30.860 incongruous amid the lightly dressed

01:47:32.620 New Yorkers with his heavy winter

01:47:34.460 gear.

01:47:35.180 He realized he was missing a prop.

01:47:37.160 He had with him his double fantasy

01:47:38.660 album, but something was missing.

01:47:40.360 He altered his progress toward Lennon

01:47:41.980 selected place of execution and

01:47:44.040 dived into a bookshop to emerge with

01:47:45.680 a red paperback copy of Catcher in

01:47:47.360 the Rye on the title page.

01:47:48.980 He wrote to holding Caulfield from

01:47:50.460 holding Caulfield.

01:47:51.780 And below that, this is my statement.

01:47:53.920 And between times, like all this stuff

01:47:57.340 was happening, he was hanging around in

01:47:58.700 front of the Dakota and he just would

01:48:01.280 sit down and read Catcher in the Rye.

01:48:03.480 And then when he shot him, he had the, you

01:48:08.340 know, sat down and started reading it

01:48:09.920 again.

01:48:10.220 And then he goes to jail and he's talking

01:48:12.220 about Catcher in the Rye.

01:48:13.640 And then this is his, this is his statement

01:48:15.840 from February 1st.

01:48:17.580 He wrote this.

01:48:19.220 Whatever the true explanation, on Sunday,

01:48:21.040 the 1st of February, Mark sat down and

01:48:22.640 wrote to the New York Times in Ballpoint

01:48:24.480 Capitals, a statement which the newspaper

01:48:26.760 printed eight days later.

01:48:28.540 Seldom could a book that first appeared in

01:48:30.720 paperback 17 years earlier have had such a

01:48:32.960 glowing sales boost.

01:48:34.860 Interesting.

01:48:35.260 So, quote, it is my sincere belief that

01:48:38.560 presenting this written statement will not

01:48:40.240 only stimulate the reading of JD Salinger's

01:48:42.280 The Catcher in the Rye, but will also help

01:48:44.420 many to understand what has happened.

01:48:46.300 If you were able to view the actual copy of

01:48:48.340 The Catcher in the Rye that was taken from

01:48:50.040 me on the night of December 8th, you would

01:48:52.160 find in it the handwritten words, this is my

01:48:54.340 statement.

01:48:55.440 Unfortunately, I was unable to continue the

01:48:57.280 stance and have since spoken openly with

01:48:59.260 the police, doctors, and others involved in

01:49:01.040 this case.

01:49:01.940 I now fully realize that this should not have

01:49:04.040 been done for it to remove the emphasis that

01:49:06.500 I wanted to place on the book.

01:49:08.520 My wish is for all of you to someday read The

01:49:11.120 Catcher in the Rye.

01:49:12.340 All of my efforts will now be devoted towards

01:49:14.600 this goal, for this extraordinary book holds

01:49:17.100 many answers.

01:49:18.480 My true hope is that in wanting to find these

01:49:20.500 answers, you will read The Catcher in the Rye.

01:49:22.560 Thank you.

01:49:23.600 Mark David Chapman, The Catcher in the Rye.

01:49:27.980 This is strange because these people are

01:49:30.060 gleaming something profound from this book.

01:49:33.800 And I'll admit, it does make me wonder, what

01:49:37.160 is it that they determine is so meaningful that

01:49:40.700 it becomes the driving force for wild, wild

01:49:44.380 decision making?

01:49:45.340 When this book is given to so many public

01:49:49.800 school children, it's not like it's got a

01:49:51.640 short, you know, a small amount of readers.

01:49:55.740 Lots of people have been subjected to the

01:49:57.100 material.

01:49:58.060 Lots of people come away not feeling this

01:50:00.220 way.

01:50:00.700 What on earth is this dude gleaming from this?

01:50:04.080 Right.

01:50:04.240 What meaning are you gleaning from a nihilistic

01:50:06.380 book that's just full of kind of like violence

01:50:09.780 and perversion?

01:50:11.200 Like you see these things like a lot.

01:50:12.940 One of the things I would suggest not just,

01:50:15.240 well, if you're up for it, read the book, but

01:50:17.420 also the analysis of like literary critics on

01:50:19.940 the book and see how much they miss.

01:50:21.640 How much of driving and how violent he is in

01:50:24.060 the murder cap and this kind of theme of like

01:50:27.300 sexual repression and the pervasive kind of

01:50:30.760 perverse, like I would say it lists almost every 0.73

01:50:33.400 major sexual perversion, like sadism, masochism, 0.89

01:50:38.160 transvalidism, voyeurism, prostitution, 0.99

01:50:41.640 pedophilia. 0.67

01:50:42.220 Like it's all there.

01:50:44.100 Which plugs directly into the occult, right?

01:50:46.080 I mean, we were talking with you last episode about

01:50:48.260 Alistair Crowley and, you know, he's engaging in 0.55

01:50:51.740 sex magic, ritual sex magic. 0.99

01:50:54.940 I mean, these things. 0.65

01:50:56.640 The people that would be reviewing this, they would

01:51:00.180 be looking at that as like an artistic rendition of

01:51:05.140 whatever he's saying.

01:51:06.600 Right.

01:51:07.020 I think that they're a little bit deluded in their own

01:51:09.440 mind.

01:51:09.880 So it wouldn't, it wouldn't necessarily stick out to them

01:51:12.580 as strange.

01:51:16.040 Well, that's truly true. 0.61

01:51:17.220 They probably wouldn't even see the connection between

01:51:19.660 these kind of programmed assassins and the book.

01:51:22.760 So like, they're just looking at it and some of them

01:51:25.060 might, might be like mockingbird assets or something.

01:51:29.060 I don't know.

01:51:29.760 Right.

01:51:30.420 So this is, this is the, the murder happens December

01:51:34.240 8th.

01:51:35.020 This is Chapman walking into court Monday, 24th of

01:51:39.680 August, 1981.

01:51:42.280 Mark David Chapman, his hair closed crop from the

01:51:44.580 incident when he totally shaved his head, which is

01:51:47.120 very telling, walked into justice Edwards court under

01:51:49.780 his usual heavy armed guard.

01:51:51.300 He carried with him a copy of the catcher on the

01:51:53.480 rye.

01:51:54.000 He wore dark slacks and light blue t-shirt with no

01:51:56.400 jacket.

01:51:56.880 He could clearly see the bulletproof vest.

01:52:01.040 He had worked it out.

01:52:02.160 Okay.

01:52:02.320 So this is him.

01:52:03.160 He spent several hours listening to other people

01:52:05.600 talking about him.

01:52:06.560 What did he have to say in his own defense?

01:52:08.460 Asked if he had anything to say to the court before

01:52:10.640 sentence was pronounced.

01:52:11.980 Now this is very interesting because Mark and Sirhan

01:52:15.680 Sirhan both pled guilty, right?

01:52:17.620 So they didn't have to go to like this whole in court

01:52:22.560 proceeding, right?

01:52:23.700 So all the evidence presented against them or

01:52:25.940 anything, there didn't have to go through that

01:52:28.320 process because they pled guilty, right?

01:52:31.320 It's a very important tool.

01:52:34.140 Asked if he had anything to say in the court before

01:52:35.940 sentence was pronounced.

01:52:37.100 Mark opened his copy of the catcher on the rye and

01:52:38.800 read an extract to the hushed part 49.

01:52:42.320 He had worked it out carefully.

01:52:43.420 If you want to check it for yourself, it is to be

01:52:47.160 found on page 173 of the Bantam paperback.

01:52:50.000 Holden Caulfield is talking to his young sister, Phoebe,

01:52:52.540 the only person in the world whom he really loves,

01:52:54.840 about what he wants to be when he grows up.

01:52:57.160 She suggests a lawyer like their father, but Holden

01:52:59.660 dismisses lawyers as phonies.

01:53:01.600 What he wants to be is a catcher on the rye and

01:53:03.420 explains what he means in this passage cited by Mark

01:53:07.080 David Chapman on his day of judgment.

01:53:08.720 Quote.

01:53:08.940 Anyway, I keep picturing all these little kids playing

01:53:13.120 some game in this big field of rye and all the thousands

01:53:16.180 of little kids and nobody is around.

01:53:18.380 Nobody big.

01:53:18.920 I mean, except me.

01:53:20.180 And I'm standing on the edge of some craggy cliff.

01:53:22.440 What I have to do, I have to catch everybody.

01:53:24.960 If they start to go over the cliff, I mean, they are

01:53:27.100 running and they don't look where they're going.

01:53:29.480 I have to come out from somewhere and catch them.

01:53:31.800 That's all I do all day.

01:53:33.240 I just be the catcher on the rye.

01:53:35.640 Does anyone think in court understand what he was

01:53:37.800 saying, least of all, the judge?

01:53:39.060 I doubt it.

01:53:39.580 Nothing was going to be permitted to raise these

01:53:41.360 proceedings from the level of humdrum.

01:53:43.660 And then he was pronounced sentences.

01:53:46.040 And then the judge delivers this kind of verdict where

01:53:49.420 he's guilty.

01:53:50.640 But so he perceives himself as a as a hero.

01:53:54.120 Yeah.

01:53:54.880 In many words.

01:53:55.940 But but in what actions?

01:53:58.180 What the hell does he has he done throughout the course

01:54:00.720 of this book where he is that version of the catcher that

01:54:03.900 he's talking about?

01:54:06.060 Right.

01:54:07.320 And then this is from Hinkley, right?

01:54:09.540 This is about Hinkley.

01:54:11.260 Rawhide was Reagan's Secret Service name.

01:54:14.540 So this book is called Rawhide down page 22.

01:54:18.280 Four day trip was a blur of fast food and brief stops.

01:54:21.060 Las Vegas, Cheyenne, Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh.

01:54:23.740 Traveling through Utah, he awoke from a brief nap to find the

01:54:26.400 bus hurtling through a massive snowstorm.

01:54:28.740 He spent much of the trip slouched in a window seat,

01:54:31.280 watching the scenery streamed by or reading The Catcher

01:54:34.400 in the Rye, J.D. Salinger's novel of teenage angst

01:54:37.680 and alienation.

01:54:38.540 It means much more than that.

01:54:41.060 He identified with the story's main character,

01:54:42.800 Holden Caulfield.

01:54:44.020 But the book was also special to him because he knew that

01:54:46.080 John Lennon's assassin had pulled it from his pocket and

01:54:48.660 leafed through it moments before gunning down the rock

01:54:50.980 and roll icon.

01:54:55.440 Lennon, who had been killed three and a half months earlier,

01:54:57.480 was Hinkley's favorite musician.

01:54:58.620 Even so, he sometimes felt he identified more with Lincoln's

01:55:01.340 killer than with Lincoln himself.

01:55:05.460 And it's interesting, too, because he had a suitcase.

01:55:09.160 Hinkley did.

01:55:10.560 It sold some of his poems and short stories as well as several of

01:55:13.420 his favorite books.

01:55:14.140 In addition to Catcher in the Rye, Hinkley had brought along a copy

01:55:16.740 of Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet in a book called Strawberry

01:55:20.300 Fields Forever, John Lennon remembered.

01:55:22.240 And Romeo and Juliet is mentioned in Catcher in the Rye.

01:55:26.420 Interesting, you know.

01:55:27.780 So what the hell is this guy doing with all this stuff?

01:55:30.840 And this is George Bush, 1995.

01:55:35.240 There's this marvelous book by Salinger called Catcher in the Rye.

01:55:38.960 I love this guy.

01:55:40.380 One of his favorites.

01:55:41.120 That's a book that inspired him.

01:55:43.960 So, Skull and Bonesman, right?

01:55:46.000 Is that what he says?

01:55:46.860 He says he was inspired by that book?

01:55:48.620 Yeah.

01:55:49.360 Why?

01:55:49.860 Right there at the bottom.

01:55:51.480 Why?

01:55:51.860 Was there a book that inspired you?

01:55:53.680 One of the historians here in Williamsburg talked about War and Peace.

01:55:56.600 I had to read that in school.

01:55:57.980 It was an inspiring, lengthy treatise.

01:55:59.920 I read it twice.

01:56:01.080 It taught me a lot about life.

01:56:02.160 There was a marvelous book by Salinger called Catcher in the Rye.

01:56:06.080 These books, I think, helped shape my life.

01:56:08.420 To be honest with you, not one book stands out.

01:56:11.300 Here's another winner.

01:56:12.060 Get ready for this one.

01:56:12.880 These are the books that made me the psychopath that I am today.

01:56:14.920 Oh, are you kidding me, dude?

01:56:16.480 Nope. 0.98

01:56:16.860 Speaking of psychopaths. 0.92

01:56:18.240 Nope.

01:56:19.260 Bill Gates.

01:56:19.860 This is from the mouth himself.

01:56:22.060 Mouth of the man.

01:56:23.280 I read a lot.

01:56:24.040 I don't always choose what's on the bestseller list.

01:56:25.940 Many of the books I read this year actually come out years ago.

01:56:28.920 This is why this post isn't called the best books of 2013.

01:56:31.640 You may notice that there aren't any novels on my list this year.

01:56:34.540 It's not that I don't enjoy fiction.

01:56:36.460 I've read The Catcher in the Rye a bunch of times.

01:56:38.780 It's one of my favorite books ever.

01:56:40.360 Mm-hmm.

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01:57:43.360 Absolutely fitting.

01:57:45.300 Right. 0.96

01:57:45.960 These guys are psychos, man. 0.96

01:57:47.340 Who the hell is a fan of this book that's like somebody you'd go, oh, that guy's cool. 0.99

01:57:52.060 Like, I'm literally just listing off the worst people ever and, you know, assassins or war criminals.

01:58:00.640 It's featured in this movie, The Good Girl.

01:58:03.180 One of the main characters is like a Holden Caulfield.

01:58:06.680 But this is kind of interesting, too.

01:58:08.300 Jared Lee does chapter 27.

01:58:10.320 So there's 26 chapters in the book.

01:58:12.120 So this book is the 27th chapter.

01:58:15.620 And it's pretty interesting.

01:58:17.780 It quotes directly from Catching the Rye and Chatelain, how interesting he is.

01:58:23.280 And by the way, Jared Leto is a guy that emulated Kubrick in his, I would say, probably the greatest hit single of his band, 30 Seconds to Mars.

01:58:32.780 The song Kill is an entire homage to the film The Shining.

01:58:38.400 I have no idea.

01:58:39.180 Yeah, if you go up and look up The Kill and watch that music video, it is a, it's a miniature The Shining.

01:58:47.440 This is from chapter 27.

01:58:49.380 Not only did he have, Chapman have like a Catch on the Rye, but he had the Wizard of Oz motif, which is also a known kind of programming book.

01:58:59.640 Wizard of Oz, Frank Oz.

01:59:02.200 Totally a cult.

01:59:03.620 This is Holden, Holding, Hold Valley or something.

01:59:06.420 That's like the interpretation.

01:59:07.600 And this is like the call.

01:59:10.220 I did a search on call.

01:59:12.120 In many cultures, a child born with a call was considered to be lucky or blessed.

01:59:16.240 There's a superstition that such children are protected from drowning or have a special destiny.

01:59:22.020 Various traditions have viewed it as a sign of spiritual or psychic abilities.

01:59:25.640 In some folklore, the call was believed to bestow second sight for the ability to see into the future.

01:59:31.160 So, Caulfield, not a mistake.

01:59:33.860 And this is just like, this guy Ruth is very suspicious.

01:59:39.240 He literally like lived like where, close to where Chapman was on Oahu.

01:59:43.740 A lot of medical buildings and stuff like that in there.

01:59:46.000 And this is the kind of, this is the thing.

01:59:50.620 Serge Slothrop, the NYPD claims to have found the CEO shooters, that's Mangione's, backpack near the carousel in Central Park.

01:59:59.120 Exactly where the Catch on the Rye ends. 0.99

02:00:01.680 Holy shit. 0.99

02:00:02.200 Man. 0.99

02:00:06.280 It's 7-11-24.

02:00:08.420 It becomes, you know, difficult because you're trying to imagine who's weaving a web this broad and this long as far as it's stretching back into history.

02:00:21.220 Until people who know the inside story, I think.

02:00:24.620 But a lot of these words, they don't have the kind of modern potence, like the dirty words that are in there.

02:00:33.740 But there's a lot.

02:00:34.440 So, that's why they can kind of get away with giving it to kids in school because it's not so direct.

02:00:40.220 You know, if it was the 50s, it would have been direct, but not now.

02:00:42.720 Right.

02:00:43.420 But there's a lot, like snowing is lying, prints, phony, necking is kissing, give her the time is a euphemism. 0.99

02:00:52.700 Flitty, like he mentions Flitty a lot when he's talking to Luce, Holden does.

02:00:58.860 But critical reviews affirm the novel accurately reflected the teenage colloquial speech of the time.

02:01:08.140 This is interesting because I like, when I was reading this book kind of like in a paranoid view, I was thinking about the CIA or just intel involved in this.

02:01:17.400 The Cultural Cold War came to mind, this book by Francis Stoner Saunders.

02:01:21.900 I highly recommend it.

02:01:23.100 Like a lot of the, like, modern artists totally intel created to create, you know, destabilize the system, to move away from beauty, much like this book, right?

02:01:33.380 So, like, this is, like, fits in with the other arts and letters, like, but the other, not visual, this is the literary version of it, right, in my opinion.

02:01:40.640 But it is interesting because they mentioned this in the Cultural Cold War.

02:01:45.960 They mentioned J.D. Salinger.

02:01:47.340 And it's basically this thing in counter where they're promoting certain writers, right?

02:01:54.720 Or urging Spender to open the literary pages to a new generation of American writers, like Saul Bellow, J.D. Salinger, Truman Capote, or Shirley Ann Ground.

02:02:03.180 So, you see that one of these guys who's associated with the CIA is promoting Salinger.

02:02:09.200 So, I think there might be more to this story.

02:02:11.540 Like, I haven't done all my research about this, but that's basically it.

02:02:16.260 I think those are all my slides.

02:02:17.520 Man, it almost leaves you with more questions.

02:02:22.120 Like, what the hell?

02:02:23.680 Where did this book come from?

02:02:25.200 Who got their hand on this guy who previously seemingly wrote nothing of real consequence?

02:02:30.780 And I'm not saying that people can't have, like, a breakthrough project that they're working on.

02:02:35.560 But then, to be of such a nature that mirrors the nature of the intelligence agency's interests of the time, that mirrors the interests of the regime that lost World War II only, you know, how many years before that?

02:02:52.700 And then we are rumored to take these people and put them into our institutions.

02:02:57.360 And then, just to see it as this through line, there's so many other instances or so many other impactful moments in American history.

02:03:09.760 Yeah.

02:03:10.500 All the way till today.

02:03:11.840 The crazy thing about that book is, like, short of my inclination or my reaction to be like, we should probably just burn this book.

02:03:22.680 Right.

02:03:22.960 Honestly, maybe we should just probably, like, see that it's crazy, like, not allow it to be read.

02:03:30.040 Because the people who it's affecting, there's really no discernible sequence as to how they're affected in this way.

02:03:39.460 But the outcome seems to be pretty standard.

02:03:42.140 Some sort of assassination. 0.98

02:03:43.480 Just assassinating a president.

02:03:44.700 Yeah, and it's like, I don't, we don't know what chemical imbalance somebody might have that reads this book, resonates with them, and then they go and they act this out.

02:03:54.520 But we know that.

02:03:55.540 We don't even know if they will have chemical imbalances, right?

02:03:57.700 Yeah, I know that's it.

02:03:58.780 I mean, yeah, you're right.

02:04:00.340 I mean, what if you could hypothetically create a text-based format that if somebody were to read in their own internal dialogue would accelerate some disposition that they have?

02:04:12.900 Because earlier I said that the people that are easiest to hypnotize are those with identity disorders.

02:04:19.560 So if you have somebody that you know has trauma, and look, all the way till 2025, now we have an industry that works like a well-oiled machine at diagnosing children.

02:04:31.020 So more children now are being diagnosed with identity disorders or trauma-based disorders than ever before.

02:04:37.720 And if there truly is a selection process based off of that, that means there's more candidates than ever before.

02:04:42.880 So if you have this text that could potentially awaken or hijack your psychology, if you have that disposition, shouldn't we stop letting people – because I know what you're saying, Top.

02:04:55.360 It's like, burn this book.

02:04:56.600 Oh, book burnings are bad.

02:04:57.940 You know, like it's got that connotation, and I'm not one to suppress information.

02:05:01.320 I don't think that that's a good thing.

02:05:02.980 Is this information or is this programming?

02:05:06.340 Right, right.

02:05:09.300 Could it be both?

02:05:11.240 Why not both?

02:05:11.880 The best pieces of entertainment often are, right?

02:05:15.700 Yeah, I think there's – I think this is a piece of kind of like that modern Intel culture creation, just like Francis Stoner Saunders wrote about.

02:05:24.740 We'll see.

02:05:25.680 If you want to see Chapman's Doctor, you can just pop up this video.

02:05:29.360 It gets pretty disturbing.

02:05:31.500 This is Chapman's Doctor.

02:05:32.620 This is actually probably one of the best things on Mind Control you could ever watch called Mission Mind Control.

02:05:38.600 But we'll see his doctor.

02:05:40.180 His name is Klein.

02:05:42.480 And then he goes through you and Cameron, Gittinger, a lot of these other characters.

02:05:47.060 But I think the talk about Klein is really something else.

02:05:52.860 This is him right here.

02:05:56.740 That's Gittinger, who was involved, interesting.

02:05:59.980 I don't know if you ever remember the movie JFK by Stone, right?

02:06:05.300 The intro is this girl, I think Laramie was her name or something, chucked out of a car. 0.80

02:06:11.140 She was under this guy's care.

02:06:13.460 You cannot write this stuff, man.

02:06:15.700 Like, there's JFK.

02:06:17.700 Watch this.

02:06:18.300 Totally impossible.

02:06:20.440 Seem absolutely credible.

02:06:23.160 I would say the answer is yes.

02:06:25.120 But they're...

02:06:25.440 So that's the...

02:06:26.440 They're asking, can you make a Mind Control person?

02:06:28.480 This is literally the doctor who saw Chapman in the jail.

02:06:33.960 Oh, come on. 0.87

02:06:34.900 Really?

02:06:35.240 Yeah, 1980.

02:06:36.320 What's his name?

02:06:36.940 How many qualifications?

02:06:37.640 Klein.

02:06:38.540 K-L-I-N. 1.00

02:06:40.520 Dr. Milton Klein, a psychologist, a clinical and experimental hypnotist, and unpaid consultant

02:06:46.760 to the CIA.

02:06:48.320 The qualifications would be the subject selected to produce the kind of behavior that you wish,

02:06:54.820 the amount of time, the procedures that are utilized, and the motivations of the people

02:07:00.800 who are designing, executing, and administering the procedures.

02:07:05.400 You're asking whether an individual can be, under hypnosis, influenced, coerced, persuaded,

02:07:13.620 shaped to perform an antisocial act, or a destructive act, or an act of violence.

02:07:20.200 My answer would be yes.

02:07:22.720 Captain Marco, you'll be good enough to lend Raymond your pistol, please.

02:07:27.220 Yes, ma'am.

02:07:33.720 Thanks, Ben.

02:07:34.660 Sure.

02:07:35.400 Okay. 0.99

02:07:38.600 Shoot Bobby Raymond. 1.00

02:07:40.840 Through the forehead. 1.00

02:07:43.320 Yes, ma'am.

02:07:44.680 See, this is like the communist backdrop, right?

02:07:47.200 The communist paranoia, the Manchurian.

02:07:49.320 Yes.

02:07:49.620 This is what these guys in the 50s were worried about.

02:07:51.820 Is this before or after?

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02:08:53.940 These events, like, is he getting up there after these events have all taken place and then saying, like, yeah, we can do that?

02:08:59.720 Or is this before it ever happened?

02:09:00.940 This, I think, Operation Mind Control was before.

02:09:05.200 So it's in the, I think this was done in 76, around the time.

02:09:09.060 That's wild.

02:09:09.520 So is it just the idea that no one's ever going to find this footage or no one of consequence will find it?

02:09:15.820 I don't think anybody knew this stuff.

02:09:17.860 Like, these are kind of, you have to remember, this is before even VHS.

02:09:21.220 So this is just like a one and done show.

02:09:23.620 But somebody was smart enough to save it and keep it in archive.org.

02:09:27.880 Which is wild because without it, I mean, this is huge.

02:09:31.360 The guy's like, yeah, we could do this.

02:09:33.020 Of course we can hypnotize a guy.

02:09:35.140 He explains it right to you.

02:09:36.840 Yeah.

02:09:37.180 Then he shows up.

02:09:38.180 I mean, we already saw the connection between Sirhan Sirhan and Chapman through Diamond, right?

02:09:43.760 The same guys.

02:09:45.080 What they're telling the public is snow job.

02:09:47.320 I mean, who knows what they're doing, you know, back there.

02:09:50.040 And literally, Chapman had like six major doctors go meet with him after the event.

02:09:57.600 Wow.

02:09:58.140 And then he pleads guilt.

02:09:59.160 Like, the thing is, is he pleads guilt.

02:10:00.600 That's the, there's commonalities.

02:10:02.400 He pleads guilty, so there's no trial.

02:10:04.240 It's all said and done.

02:10:04.900 Right, right, right.

02:10:05.520 But I mean, if you were hypnotized to do so.

02:10:08.980 I mean, imagine like, this is like the most sinister take imaginable about Catcher in the Rye.

02:10:16.360 It's probably a good time to end, good two hours.

02:10:18.200 But this would be the most paranoid, sinister take, is that you write a book as a template to encourage people to commit assassinations.

02:10:26.860 And you seed it through all of your assets all over the country.

02:10:31.240 And you have all these people talk it up like it's like the greatest book, a piece of literature, and the guy's alienated.

02:10:37.200 But really, there's a deeper subtext.

02:10:39.680 And then it self-propagates.

02:10:41.340 And so that these assassins, when they're done, they become apostles for the book itself.

02:10:48.200 Which is what Chaplin and apparently Hinckley did too.

02:10:51.420 I don't have the reference.

02:10:52.800 But Hinckley, after the shooting, said he recommends this book.

02:10:56.420 So then you have this self-perpetuating blueprint up to the present day.

02:11:03.440 So we don't even know.

02:11:04.160 Even if you're not somebody with those proclivities that doesn't resonate with the character in the Catcher in the Rye, when a world-famous assassin says, by the way, you should read this book.

02:11:16.060 If you're at all inquisitive, you go like, what's in that book, man?

02:11:19.680 It's almost like a parasite. 0.93

02:11:21.640 Dude, I was going to say that.

02:11:22.900 Yes, good call.

02:11:24.060 There's a parasite that it'll take over a bug. 1.00

02:11:27.420 And it'll just be like a zombified bug.

02:11:30.840 And it'll eat it as it goes.

02:11:32.880 But this bug will get it to where it needs to go.

02:11:34.860 And then it'll just hop onto the next host.

02:11:37.220 And continue to do this. 0.57

02:11:38.540 It's an aquatic worm parasite.

02:11:40.740 And it compels the bug to drown itself in a body of water so that it can birth into it because it's aquatic.

02:11:46.720 Like, yeah, dude, I had to do a psyche cleanse when I read the book as an adult because I know because I'm familiar with a lot of the kind of parapolitical history and secret history of the U.S., which is really the real history. 0.98

02:12:00.380 Like the history books are crap.

02:12:02.560 But yeah, like I realize how sinister this is. 0.97

02:12:06.100 Like it's like some that that's it's Salinger.

02:12:11.020 It's like he's a front.

02:12:12.500 That's like it's too strange.

02:12:14.600 Thank God.

02:12:15.200 You have to read it.

02:12:16.140 Yeah, I mean.

02:12:18.780 I think they really tried to change the culture, and I think she captured on the rise part of it.

02:12:22.520 And it's the dissociation in this kind of deep patterning stuff that they were all investigating is involved in this.

02:12:29.940 Like catcher.

02:12:30.820 There's no the poem isn't about that.

02:12:32.880 Like.

02:12:35.420 Holden isn't he's schizo.

02:12:38.260 It's fascinating because I am so I'm so glad that I never read this and I didn't have any ideas.

02:12:44.160 Like literally coming into this, I was a blank slate.

02:12:47.740 And and this is incredibly fascinating.

02:12:51.140 I don't know if I should read the book.

02:12:53.980 I'd recommend it.

02:12:54.940 But I think it's I think it's important.

02:12:56.860 I think from a certain perspective, you should read the book because it shows what you're being presented with.

02:13:03.440 It isn't all the whole story.

02:13:04.980 And maybe that's the kind of inoculation mentally that people need to have is like, be careful what people are giving to you.

02:13:11.680 Because like this, I didn't have a choice.

02:13:14.300 You know, this was put on some kind of reading.

02:13:16.000 I didn't.

02:13:16.520 Thank God.

02:13:16.860 I didn't like study it when I was 15 or 14 or whatever.

02:13:20.220 Right.

02:13:20.580 But like this will let you know, like some of these people have sinister objectives and they will put really dark stuff into the culture.

02:13:27.780 And so, I mean, so maybe that's the inoculation is like.

02:13:30.820 Like, maybe I shouldn't just watch everything, you know, whatever they're saying is the greatest music and the creation of culture and creation of these people who out there who are influenced.

02:13:43.060 I think I've done shows on the Beatles with Mike Williams, Seja Kwe.

02:13:46.260 I used to think the Beatles were just a great band.

02:13:49.780 The whole thing's fake.

02:13:51.100 The Beatles are totally fake.

02:13:52.140 They can't play music.

02:13:53.400 Almost everybody who saw those guys like they couldn't drum.

02:13:56.160 Yeah, I was trying to tell my wife that the Beatles is a terrible band and actually an intelligence operation.

02:14:03.640 Yeah, no, they can't.

02:14:04.300 It's unbelievable.

02:14:05.120 That's the whole thing.

02:14:05.760 It's unbelievable about the moon landing, 9-11.

02:14:08.360 It's really unbelievable, but they are fake.

02:14:11.000 Hey, can I just say.

02:14:11.640 The Beatles are fake.

02:14:12.600 During those like, you know, few decades, we really got some of the best propaganda. 0.99

02:14:17.760 Our propaganda nowadays sucks. 0.87

02:14:19.860 I don't know. 0.99

02:14:20.300 It's like Sam Smith.

02:14:21.340 It was done by geniuses.

02:14:23.020 Yeah, it was done by geniuses.

02:14:25.280 And we are dealing with the descendants of those geniuses.

02:14:28.540 And much like you have like a rich family who then produces just an unmotivated offspring,

02:14:33.380 we're dealing with unmotivated propagandists who are giving us embarrassing propaganda.

02:14:39.020 I long for the days of old when things were rich.

02:14:42.460 And like you really didn't mind it.

02:14:43.980 I have a hard time thinking Salinger was the only person involved in this book.

02:14:48.480 I would accept it if that's the truth.

02:14:50.380 But there's so much, when you really unpack it, there's so much here that ties into like

02:14:56.140 my control.

02:14:56.840 And there's other cultural things that like.

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02:15:59.460 I've done in my past research, kind of like as an investigative journalist, like I did Seven

02:16:03.920 Days in May, which you wouldn't think if you watched that movie that came out in 62.

02:16:07.860 You'd just think it was a good spy movie, but it really was part of the whole kill JFK

02:16:12.720 culture.

02:16:13.780 And it was about an overthrow of the government, a coup by the military, which is what happened.

02:16:18.320 And they were trying to seed it in the kind of positive way into the culture, right?

02:16:22.640 But so it's a lot of these things are really, this fiction isn't as fictional as you might

02:16:26.780 think.

02:16:27.140 Like, this is a weird kind of template manuscript.

02:16:30.120 It reminds me of that book.

02:16:31.680 I don't know if it's Evil Dead.

02:16:33.000 You remember that really gnarly movie, Evil Dead?

02:16:34.940 Yeah, yeah.

02:16:35.260 It's like the book, they open it and just horrible things start happening.

02:16:38.540 I'm like, yeah.

02:16:39.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:16:39.900 It kind of has that feel to me.

02:16:41.880 And it kind of, it's kind of weird too, because my take is different than a lot of people.

02:16:47.460 But I really think you'll, if you're familiar with kind of mind control and you read this

02:16:53.120 book, I think you'll feel like it's much more, this book is much more sensible than a topical

02:16:57.740 reading.

02:16:57.820 Well, you got to be careful because it seems like there's only two types of takes when

02:17:01.900 it comes to the book.

02:17:02.700 Either, you know, you're just writing a review on it and, you know, it's a good book, but

02:17:07.680 whatever.

02:17:08.740 Or it's something profound and then you go on to assassinate a world leader.

02:17:12.440 And so I see you have a certain reverence for it.

02:17:15.020 If this book sets me on the path to, I'm not going to say it, but I was going to say

02:17:18.920 something about Taylor Swift.

02:17:19.980 You know what?

02:17:20.460 Forget it.

02:17:20.860 We're not going to, if anything happens, I have been here in my house to say, if anything

02:17:25.160 happens to Taylor Swift, I had nothing to do with it.

02:17:27.540 I had nothing to do with it at all.

02:17:29.620 And I do not own a copy of The Catcher in the Rye.

02:17:32.040 But think of like, like the sinister kind of propagandist, like you're talking about seeding

02:17:36.360 the culture and then the direct result is all this crazy stuff that happened.

02:17:40.740 Like it's, yeah, it's incredible.

02:17:45.100 It's funny.

02:17:46.060 I think it has to be seen in the context, just like I said earlier, in the context of

02:17:50.080 this whole culture creation or the breakdown, like the 60s really was a kind of revolution.

02:17:55.300 I mean, if you want to talk about occultism and the birth of the child and Crowley and

02:18:00.320 the age of Horace and all that stuff.

02:18:02.500 Oh yeah.

02:18:02.800 Maybe this is part of all that stuff.

02:18:04.560 And, you know, I've heard that I've done people, done shows on modern art and how it was

02:18:08.700 just total culture creation.

02:18:10.120 And it didn't grow up and come normally.

02:18:12.640 It was supported by Intel people.

02:18:14.800 Yeah.

02:18:15.040 I believe that wholeheartedly.

02:18:16.860 It's kind of funny too.

02:18:17.820 Like, uh, I just, I'll just close my thought with this, but, uh, you know, a lot of people

02:18:22.920 today, I guess like conservatives would be like, keep your kids out of school because

02:18:26.240 they're trying to show them drag queen story hour.

02:18:29.260 I'm like, yeah, that's true. 0.99

02:18:31.840 But before they were showing them this shit, you know, it's like, it's never been, as a 0.97

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02:18:41.740 even be less detrimental to a kid's psyche than this book.

02:18:46.140 I think one of the things about this book is like, when you're young, you don't understand

02:18:50.320 this book as much.

02:18:51.400 So I don't know how, how profound the impact is, but like, I wonder about the, the subconscious

02:18:57.460 mind and what it, well, good point.

02:18:59.320 Good point.

02:19:00.000 And I, and I would say that maybe that's worse.

02:19:02.420 Yeah.

02:19:02.620 Maybe that's worse.

02:19:03.440 Uh, I, I would say it seems that there is some element of the public school system that

02:19:07.860 is designed to create school shooters.

02:19:10.940 And I think that's true.

02:19:12.080 I think that it doesn't hit everybody, but there's an underlying element to the system

02:19:16.940 that you're going through, where if you have a predisposition, maybe if you have, um, you

02:19:21.920 know, an identity disassociative disorder or, or some sort of childhood trauma that, you know,

02:19:27.080 shows itself on a psychological level that you are the candidate, the recipient to this, whatever 0.52

02:19:32.540 this undercurrent is that flows, there's surface level shit that happens in school, but then 0.98

02:19:37.100 there are psychological things that happen. 0.98

02:19:38.920 And I think that they're designed to, if you are the right candidate, turn you into a school

02:19:43.240 shooter.

02:19:45.660 And that felt heavy.

02:19:47.020 Yeah, this is a dark episode.

02:19:48.100 No, no, yeah, no, it's deep.

02:19:50.500 I think one of the things I was thinking about recently, like in the last couple of weeks is

02:19:54.460 like, we are American citizens.

02:19:56.960 We've grown up in this culture, but we've really been bombarded in different things from different

02:20:02.340 areas through things that are either top secret, be above top secret or things that, and we're

02:20:08.780 kind of like in, I don't know, an ant farm or something where we just don't have control.

02:20:14.340 So the psychological impact of even that, like we didn't have, I didn't have control over

02:20:18.940 COVID.

02:20:19.620 Like we just went through it.

02:20:20.740 Like that was intense.

02:20:22.740 Yeah.

02:20:22.980 Like the alienation isolation.

02:20:24.960 You want to talk about mind control and hypnotism.

02:20:27.200 They made you stay home and not talk to anybody.

02:20:30.220 Like this is like the predicates for being suggestible, right?

02:20:34.280 Cause you're at home and you're just watching TV and Fauci, who's really a bioweapons expert.

02:20:39.180 He doesn't know.

02:20:40.000 She's never practiced medicine in a clinical environment, like in a hospital.

02:20:45.060 Um, so I think that this is, these are like these components of this stuff that hopefully

02:20:52.720 it's really a matter of our survivals, understanding the stuff that the moon landing is fake.

02:20:58.180 JFK was murdered by other people in the government that these, some of these cultural icons are

02:21:04.900 malevolent.

02:21:05.920 Like this is this book, read it as an adult.

02:21:08.380 It's terrifying.

02:21:10.680 It's really terrifying.

02:21:11.840 When you think that 65 million copies have been sold, that's insane.

02:21:16.820 That's right out of grok.

02:21:18.100 I did that today.

02:21:19.020 They're pulling that.

02:21:20.100 That's all the public school system.

02:21:21.880 They're buying it in mass and they're indoctrinating kids for generations with it. 1.00

02:21:25.140 And man, I mean, total monstrous, mentally ill loser. 0.99

02:21:28.500 You got to ask yourself why in the hell the public school system is buying so many copies of this. 0.99

02:21:35.460 And this is part of everybody's curriculum growing up.

02:21:37.440 And it is such a, an underwhelming book in one aspect, because it's kind of like the, like we

02:21:42.900 talked about, there's no moral conclusion.

02:21:44.500 There's no nice wrap up.

02:21:45.540 It's not good storytelling in that way.

02:21:47.860 And on the other hand, it's a book that's championed by like how many assassins of world

02:21:52.320 leaders.

02:21:52.780 So, um, yeah, Gates and Bush, like two of the most sinister people on creation.

02:21:58.620 Like, wow, that like just those, what I just said there alone should make you go, what the

02:22:04.140 hell is this?

02:22:05.060 And why is this happening?

02:22:06.840 And I don't know.

02:22:08.300 And we've seen, like I mentioned earlier, like we've, I know, like I've studied, I don't

02:22:12.160 haven't done a full, you know, analysis of the tapestry of American culture, but I've

02:22:16.740 looked at certain things.

02:22:17.620 And Kinsey was a liar who promoted a lot of the stuff that kind of is, is emulated in

02:22:23.620 this book and was supported by the Rockefeller. 0.99

02:22:25.960 Like they gave him so much money and the guy was a total pedophile monster connected 0.93

02:22:32.260 to Kenneth Anger. 0.98

02:22:34.560 And I mean, just lying and the people still reference the sexual life of male or whatever

02:22:38.980 as a legit book. 0.99

02:22:40.420 And it's just non-scientific trash.

02:22:43.340 It's not the first time that, uh, who is it?

02:22:45.640 And it's actually one of the interesting things, just sorry to interrupt, but one of the interesting

02:22:49.640 things about Kinsey and Crowley, believe it or not, you would never put, well, there are

02:22:53.300 connections because Kinsey went to the Abbey of Philema in Sicily because he admired Crowley

02:22:58.520 and he wanted his diaries.

02:23:00.280 And you can see that in Children of the Beast, but their conclusions about sex life is the

02:23:05.320 same.

02:23:06.400 So it's like, there's no restraint.

02:23:09.720 There it is.

02:23:10.080 So everything's up. 0.99

02:23:11.080 Pedophilia, gay, bisexual. 1.00

02:23:13.980 What is it? 0.97

02:23:14.980 Nothing is.

02:23:16.680 New one.

02:23:16.980 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

02:23:18.560 Yeah.

02:23:18.780 Nothing is forbidden.

02:23:19.740 Everything is permitted.

02:23:20.600 Yeah.

02:23:21.060 Yeah, exactly.

02:23:21.600 So they came to the same conclusions.

02:23:23.780 The fake scientism of Kinsey, who really is used as the start of the whole homosexual 1.00

02:23:29.600 movement.

02:23:30.800 Like, it's really incredible.

02:23:31.960 He couldn't write this down. 0.98

02:23:33.120 Holy crap, man. 0.99

02:23:35.140 Unbelievable. 0.99

02:23:35.500 We have to do a show on Children of the Beast because-

02:23:37.800 Yes, we do.

02:23:39.120 Kinsey influenced a guy who actually paid piano at the OTO where Jack Parsons was a member. 1.00

02:23:45.900 Fuck, man. 1.00

02:23:48.040 Oh, my God, man. 1.00

02:23:49.080 It's called the Mattachine Society.

02:23:50.760 His name was- I can't remember it right now.

02:23:53.200 Well, we'll have to run it back and talk about that because that sounds incredibly fascinating.

02:23:58.000 It's unbelievable.

02:24:00.220 But he was like the- one of the first- his name was Harry Hay.

02:24:05.680 Look up Harry Hay.

02:24:06.560 And literally on his own bio, he was playing the organ at OTO meetings, Crowley OTO meetings.

02:24:15.780 Incredible.

02:24:16.920 That's one of the things.

02:24:17.960 So whenever we get into these shows, these conversations always branch off into like a

02:24:21.640 million different directions.

02:24:22.520 It's because they're all connected.

02:24:24.260 They're all connected.

02:24:25.060 And it's like the study of this thing.

02:24:27.340 I don't know what to call the overarching sort of connective tissue, right?

02:24:30.900 Charlie Robinson with the whole like octopus control.

02:24:37.040 That's a good analogy for it.

02:24:39.160 But it's just the nature of talking about this thing is you end up in its many tentacles and

02:24:44.620 the ways in which it branches out.

02:24:46.720 It's like it never ends.

02:24:47.720 So you've definitely-

02:24:49.980 Right.

02:24:50.460 So I think you can see this book, like you said, the tentacles connections.

02:24:53.700 Maybe it's more close to this whole Kinsey and the sexual life of male.

02:24:57.360 I don't know when that came out.

02:24:58.460 But imagine if they both came out because the sexual, it's totally, easily disprovable.

02:25:03.380 And the ideas from that are in this, that half of married men are gay. 0.98

02:25:07.260 That's baloney. 0.98

02:25:08.540 But that's the suggestion, right?

02:25:10.620 That's even a-

02:25:11.400 And you still-

02:25:11.940 People have really taken that notion and run with it.

02:25:14.320 That's something that I see people talking about today.

02:25:16.280 It's 2025 and you'll still see people going back and forth about that.

02:25:20.180 And that's obviously something that the LGBT what the hell ever community has strapped 1.00

02:25:25.240 on its armor.

02:25:26.520 Yeah, they have.

02:25:27.020 That's why they like the fake stuff of the Kinsey.

02:25:32.020 Wow.

02:25:32.460 So the sexual behavior there of the human male was 48. 0.97

02:25:36.700 So before this.

02:25:38.300 So like literally the catcher in the rye is aping this nonsense that came out from Rockefeller 0.70

02:25:45.540 and Kinsey.

02:25:46.040 Yeah.

02:25:47.460 Only how many years later?

02:25:49.460 Three.

02:25:50.100 Three.

02:25:50.480 Three years later.

02:25:51.600 That's not even like, it's not, that doesn't feel like it's enough time for a dude to study

02:25:55.660 the works and then write the books.

02:25:57.320 It feels like it's all coming out.

02:26:00.040 These ideas permeate a culture all at once.

02:26:02.440 Yeah.

02:26:02.860 Yeah.

02:26:03.280 It's not, it's artificial.

02:26:05.060 Like it's not-

02:26:05.480 It is artificial.

02:26:06.200 Yeah.

02:26:06.300 It's been injected into it artificially.

02:26:08.180 Um, there was a good woman, a woman, I forgot her name. 1.00

02:26:12.060 I think she's passed away, but she really took apart, um, Kinsey.

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02:27:16.620 Her name, Ed Opperman interviewed her.

02:27:19.400 I can't remember.

02:27:20.240 That's a lot of that.

02:27:20.820 A lot of that old psychology, too, that we go by like Freud and everything is about like

02:27:24.860 sexual repression. 0.98

02:27:25.980 It's like, you know, I don't know.

02:27:27.540 I'm afraid of the dark. 0.99

02:27:28.420 And it's like, well, you must want to bang your mom. 0.99

02:27:29.980 Um, so that kind of shit is, uh, we, we allowed that to run the narrative for a long time. 0.99

02:27:35.940 And now it seems that it doesn't hold up to scrutiny whatsoever. 0.99

02:27:38.860 It's very fun.

02:27:39.460 What's the, what's the authentic gay population?

02:27:42.260 Well, it's probably growing now because of the huge, you know, propaganda.

02:27:46.100 But I think it really, in the fifties, it was very small, like three to 5% of the population.

02:27:52.340 But then like Kinsey saying, oh, half of the people have a gay experience or whatever.

02:27:56.960 And then like without attribution, I can't remember that woman's name.

02:28:01.660 I'll have to find it.

02:28:02.240 Anyway.

02:28:02.900 Well, now the, the, the numbers might be half when you would inundate them in public school 0.99

02:28:07.400 with shit like this. 0.99

02:28:08.760 Yeah. 1.00

02:28:09.640 You know, they, they programmed kids to find out their sexual orientation, like when they're

02:28:14.660 10 or 12, like, Hey, yeah.

02:28:16.240 Now it's more of that suggestion thing.

02:28:18.920 Right.

02:28:19.200 So like, why even bring it up?

02:28:20.900 My, my son is nine and I had to have this conversation with him because I heard something

02:28:25.500 on a YouTube video where a guy's singing a song and he's like, I'm going to tell you

02:28:29.440 all about me.

02:28:30.160 Like, what's my age, where I grew up, my, my gender identity.

02:28:33.360 And he goes on the list, a bunch of other benign stuff, but that one gender identity stuck 1.00

02:28:37.200 out to me and I said, you're not watching that channel.

02:28:39.360 You're not listening to that guy.

02:28:40.400 And he's like, what's wrong with that?

02:28:41.500 And it's very difficult because it seems on its face inconsequential.

02:28:47.140 It's only like, he's going to say, I'm a boy or a girl.

02:28:48.980 And I'm like, you don't need to have him tell you, you can hear his voice.

02:28:52.760 You know, he's a boy.

02:28:53.400 You shouldn't even be at all speculative about the nature of, are you a boy or are you a

02:28:58.000 girl?

02:28:58.120 You can tell by looking and listening to a person.

02:29:00.300 And, and, uh, but now these, these things are just part of, uh, uh, where it used to

02:29:06.100 be obscure.

02:29:07.260 Maybe you read a book like the catcher in the right.

02:29:09.480 Now they're actually doing gender studies.

02:29:11.500 Now the entertainment is geared that way too.

02:29:13.300 And so, uh, fully, fully, uh, penetrated the culture.

02:29:18.300 Yeah.

02:29:18.700 That's incredible.

02:29:19.300 Like we're, we're living through kind of like a wasteland of this kind of past, you know,

02:29:26.000 like still being influenced by it to this day, but just on a, on a larger scale.

02:29:32.080 Cause it used to be, it goes back to that analogy that I use.

02:29:34.460 So the MK ultra victim strapped in a chair with his eyeballs peeled open and he's on LSD 0.71

02:29:38.860 and he's being propagandized.

02:29:40.160 Now we are self-administering these, these drugs and we're self-propagandizing.

02:29:45.420 Let me ask you this.

02:29:47.900 Um, do you think it's possible to detox a culture from this?

02:29:52.900 Cause, uh, a lot of, a lot of the policy now, I, and I know, you know, whatever Trump

02:29:59.540 may be or Elon may be, um, I think it's significant with like USAID going through, uh, these news

02:30:08.080 organizations and just defunding them.

02:30:09.840 Like we're seeing, you know, the BBC was given $8 billion to propagandize the people.

02:30:15.060 Reuters was given like $25 million.

02:30:17.600 And it says specifically for social engineering, that's no longer happening.

02:30:21.760 So it's like, okay, we've removed that.

02:30:24.620 Maybe we'll clean up the food source a little bit.

02:30:27.260 Is it possible to rehab a nation to detox a nation, to get back to some stasis, some sort

02:30:33.520 of level, or has the damage already been done?

02:30:36.780 Well, I think the damage has been done, but getting back to it is I think, you know, why

02:30:40.980 people voted for Trump.

02:30:42.820 Uh, so hopefully the, you know, I don't know if there's really a static culture.

02:30:47.320 You're, you're either rising or falling.

02:30:49.180 So hopefully we can roll back a lot of this stuff.

02:30:52.500 Um, but yeah, I mean, I think acknowledging these things and talking about them is really

02:31:00.420 the first step.

02:31:01.140 I think that's really what, what's the famous line?

02:31:03.660 Culture is upstream from politics.

02:31:06.680 Downstream.

02:31:07.220 Yeah.

02:31:08.380 No, culture is upstream.

02:31:10.240 Like you're the culture influences politics, not the other way.

02:31:14.680 Well, Oh, well, the quote from Breitbart was, it was downstream from politics, but I agree.

02:31:18.520 I think it's the opposite.

02:31:19.680 Okay.

02:31:20.100 Well, I don't know what he said, but I'm going to invert it because I think the culture influences

02:31:24.540 politics.

02:31:25.520 So I think that I don't think that RFK would be in power without him being on Joe Rogan and

02:31:30.920 talked about and all these other, uh, high tower, all these other guys talking about stuff

02:31:36.160 RFK was talking about and same thing with the Intel and all this other stuff.

02:31:40.000 Like, so that's part of the culture is the conversation, things like they're happening

02:31:45.120 now.

02:31:45.900 So I think that exposing all this stuff and, and putting it in perspective, I think is

02:31:50.440 very worthwhile.

02:31:51.580 Like people say, Oh, you're not facilitating change.

02:31:53.880 You're doing too much talking.

02:31:55.360 But if you can know that Kinsey's a bunch of baloney, which he totally is like, you read

02:32:00.340 how he died. 0.60

02:32:01.100 I don't know if you know that.

02:32:02.000 Um, but it's not somebody you'd want to have teaching you about anything.

02:32:08.260 Uh, but if you know that this baloney, then you're not going to like send your kid to

02:32:11.900 public school and listen to all that stuff.

02:32:13.940 Right.

02:32:14.300 And so then it's just a waste of money.

02:32:16.000 People won't put money into it and all this stuff will kind of fall down.

02:32:20.160 Like hopefully.

02:32:21.220 So I think that you can reset the culture.

02:32:23.960 I wonder if it would take what got us there in the first place, which is a slow propagandizing

02:32:30.900 either.

02:32:32.600 I'm open to the idea that you could have the curtain ripped back all at once.

02:32:36.460 But I also recognize that, um, uh, as far as controlling hotter tempers, it would be better

02:32:42.820 for, you know, a governing body to expose us to it the same way we got there, which is

02:32:49.200 long and slow.

02:32:50.300 Yeah.

02:32:52.180 The frog has already been boiled, so I don't know what we're going to figure out how to

02:32:56.640 make the soup.

02:32:57.780 Uh, I think that if the frog has already been boiled, they are seeking to make a meal out

02:33:02.560 of it, not to reverse propagandize us.

02:33:05.200 I mean, they might make it look like that.

02:33:06.840 Um, but I don't think they've worked all these generations to get us to this point just

02:33:11.440 to go, whew, that was a close one.

02:33:13.360 Yeah.

02:33:13.740 And a good point.

02:33:14.300 I think that they created, uh, one of the greatest propaganda events in human history

02:33:20.540 outdoing the Nazis and the communists, because this USAID shows how the tentacles were in

02:33:26.980 the millions of money.

02:33:28.800 And so all these people were freaking fake.

02:33:31.320 So you could go to Politico or wherever, and they're all being puppeteered.

02:33:36.020 Like, not just like a, you know, a Wurlitzer with like a hundred keys.

02:33:40.520 You're talking about millions.

02:33:42.260 Yeah.

02:33:42.500 Like, it's a star.

02:33:43.460 Like, you have to marvel at it.

02:33:45.220 Like, wow, this is the beast system.

02:33:47.820 The funny, the funniest part about it is that it's like, it's George Soros and this shady

02:33:52.380 billionaire. 1.00

02:33:53.380 It's like, no, it's, it's actually you stupid. 1.00

02:33:55.940 You're paying for it. 1.00

02:33:57.340 Right. 1.00

02:33:57.820 You paid for your own, to eat your own shit. 1.00

02:34:00.440 Yep. 1.00

02:34:00.900 No doubt.

02:34:01.860 It's not bad.

02:34:03.080 Let's bring it in for a landing here. 0.97

02:34:05.080 Is that where you want to leave the topic?

02:34:06.920 Yeah.

02:34:07.440 I think so.

02:34:08.200 I think it's a perfect ending.

02:34:10.160 We financed our own tyranny.

02:34:12.800 We financed our own servitudes.

02:34:14.500 We've been paying a top dollar to chew on our own turds.

02:34:19.640 Yeah.

02:34:20.400 Incredible.

02:34:21.120 William, tell, tell the people again where they can find you.

02:34:23.500 I'm sure you'll be back on again to tell them again where they can find you, but tell

02:34:26.520 them again now.

02:34:27.660 Yeah.

02:34:28.100 It's a William Ramsey investigates.

02:34:29.920 I have over 1300 episodes.

02:34:31.580 So you can see on a wide variety of topics, books and different subjects.

02:34:35.760 I kind of make it so people can find maybe something they're interested in on different

02:34:40.400 subjects.

02:34:41.360 So that's a, you can find on iTunes, Spotify.

02:34:44.500 And then I have five books.

02:34:45.800 You can have signed copies if you want from my website.

02:34:48.780 My global death cult is reselling.

02:34:51.440 I guess somebody's talking about it or something's going on where people are referencing it.

02:34:55.700 So I wrote that in 2021.

02:34:57.380 My most recent is about SFK.

02:34:59.640 That's the Smiley Face Killers, which does go into, what's his name?

02:35:05.660 I got friends in low places.

02:35:07.340 There's a chapter.

02:35:08.460 The Garth Brooks.

02:35:08.780 The Garth Brooks.

02:35:09.460 Thank you.

02:35:09.680 I can't remember his name.

02:35:10.440 Thank God.

02:35:10.880 And then I have five documentaries on my Patreon, which are probably all, I can tell you, they

02:35:19.320 were all micro budgeted, but I think the information is really good.

02:35:23.280 And one of them on Smiley Face Killers is three and a half hours.

02:35:26.120 So I put a lot of research into that.

02:35:27.440 So I really kind of made my bones kind of just being a researcher.

02:35:30.720 I think it's really true.

02:35:32.440 Nice.

02:35:33.180 Nice.

02:35:33.860 Perfect.

02:35:34.340 Well, again, I hope you see a little bump from our audience.

02:35:37.980 They go over to your show and check your stuff out.

02:35:40.900 And once again, thank you for coming on.

02:35:42.760 I'm going to go walk aimlessly thinking about this child's book that I probably read.

02:35:47.380 I don't know.

02:35:48.220 Hopefully somebody will read it and say everything you take out of this book is wrong because

02:35:53.100 I would want to be wrong.

02:35:54.500 But like my reading of like the split brain and the trance and how negative he is and nihilistic,

02:36:00.180 I think it's worse than.

02:36:02.820 No, you're not wrong, man.

02:36:04.380 You're not.

02:36:06.180 All right, guys.

02:36:07.400 All right, guys.

02:36:08.000 Cheers.

02:36:08.440 Thanks for having me.

02:36:09.460 Absolutely.

02:36:10.260 All right, guys, don't forget to obey, submit, comply.

02:36:13.500 We'll see you guys later.

02:36:14.940 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:36:20.880 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:36:24.260 If you can persuade me that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

02:36:29.260 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

02:36:36.740 happening.

02:36:37.600 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - February 28, 2025

128： The Catcher in the Rye w⧸ William Ramsey

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