Isaac Weisup is a writer, blogger, podcaster, conspiracy researcher, and podcaster. He has been a long time member of the Occult Symbolism in Pop Culture community and has been on the cutting edge of pop culture conspiracy theories for years. In this episode, we talk to Isaac about his journey into the world of conspiracy theories and pop culture.
00:03:19.720But the ideas that I've been presenting and researching since basically full time since 2011 have been a mix of occult spirituality and religious beliefs mixed with pop culture, you know, films, movies, television mixed with conspiracy theory, updates, news culture.
00:03:42.960And, you know, over the years, I've refined and refined the sort of ideas.
00:03:49.140And as you guys know, it's when you get into this sort of when I started out, it was very much just being on the pulse of all what are the conspiracy people talking about?
00:04:00.180And then as the years go by, you start sort of niching out into the thing that you're really into.
00:04:04.680And now I find myself being more of a basement dweller type researcher now.
00:04:09.620And I kind of mind my own business and just research and, you know, do my podcast is kind of where where the path has led me.
00:04:17.560So, yeah, you can find me on all the podcast platforms, Occult Symbolism in Pop Culture.
00:04:20.680That's a great field of study, occult symbolism in pop culture.
00:04:25.520It's kind of the gift that keeps on giving in very many ways.
00:04:28.000It brought me to the table because, you know, you just get all this symbolism in the music industry and Hollywood and things like that.
00:04:35.400And you get these, you know, answers from people that are sort of naysayers that they sound like, well, this is just shock value that an artist or an industry is implanting these symbols within their product in order to, I don't know, reach a niche audience who really doesn't have any money anyway.
00:04:53.020Conspiracy theorists were typically broke and unhinged.
00:04:55.820We're not really your main consumer base.
00:04:58.480And yet we were made to believe that a lot of this is just shock value.
00:05:01.900It's just to capture the attention of people who, you know, are alone in being able to see it.
00:05:07.800And then if you don't believe that and you decide to start digging into what these symbols mean, it's a it's a never ending treasure trove of revelations.
00:05:15.140Yeah. What do you what do you make of that?
00:05:16.960Because, I mean, you've been doing this since 2011.
00:05:19.460So you've been studying like this weird esoteric occult symbolism that pops up pretty much everywhere, whether it's music, history, entertainment.
00:05:28.220Why are they showing it to us so readily?
00:05:30.520And especially lately, why is it so blatantly obvious?
00:05:34.740Yeah, these are like the million dollar questions.
00:05:37.000And this is how I my sort of study of occult symbolism is what put me into the conspiracy world as a sort of truther or theorist or whatever you want to call it, because most people that do know me know that I on this on the spectrum of sort of conspiracy theorists.
00:05:57.480I am well further down the rational side of and I don't say that in a demeaning way, but I mean it in more of a I'm a little more skeptical than most.
00:06:05.740Like, I'm not like, you know, that that video I saw, I saw that security guy turn into a lizard.
00:06:19.120And I but I but I give I give credence to all conspiracies.
00:06:22.780Like, I'm openly entertained all of them.
00:06:24.740Like, I'm not like I don't just shut things down.
00:06:26.800But as far as symbolism goes, it's it's an interesting phenomenon because that's kind of one of the red pill things to get people into this because they see these images and they're like, dude, why are they all doing the little one eye like thing?
00:06:39.840And why are they all doing six, six, six hands and things like this?
00:06:43.240And it's irrefutable and it's perplexing and nobody really understands it.
00:06:47.300And from the people that have come before me, like like James Shelby Downard is a guy that I just got turned on to a few years back and I'm still unpacking a lot of his writings.
00:07:01.740He talks about the cryptocracy, which is, you know, to simplify, it's kind of more of like the Illuminati.
00:07:07.980Right. And these people practice a form of of sort of esoteric magic in a way that they are playing with energies is kind of the short version.
00:07:19.840And a lot of the people like Carl Young, psychoanalyst Carl Young, who was an occultist himself, a Gnostic, he he talked about he's got a whole book on symbolism and a couple of them, actually.
00:07:33.020And he talks about how symbols give purpose to mankind.
00:07:37.160And then if you read into various of like I'm trying to think of the name of the book, it's a comparative religion book.
00:07:46.680The name escapes me now. Everyone knows it.
00:07:48.620But anyways, if you look at the ancient cultures and their religions and stuff, they all they all thought that the symbols held power.
00:07:55.980And that's why they would use them in these ceremonies and such.
00:07:58.620And it it goes into some of the sort of black magic groups and the satanic folks like there's this group called the Order of Nine Angles.
00:08:11.020That's, I mean, fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
00:08:16.160And in their book, it's called the Infernal Magic Book, they talk about the magicians using the signs and the symbols to communicate.
00:08:25.640And that's what this that's the big that's the big thing here.
00:08:28.680And that's where you start to make sense of why symbols, why symbols are everywhere and what they're doing.
00:08:33.700And you go back through the lineage of occult magicians, Eliphas Levy, the guy who drew the first Baphomet, you know, goat with the bobs.
00:08:44.220He he talked about the the magnetic chain and how symbols would charge up a magnetic chain.
00:08:50.020And if you if you and I'm throwing a million ideas at you guys, but a lot on my journey before I started getting into full time conspiracies back in like the early 2000s.
00:08:59.600I was I was I was really only into Bill Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse and David Ikes had a bunch of VHS tapes like Freedom Road.
00:09:09.160And those things opened me up to studying New Age philosophies, you know, the secret law of attraction.
00:09:18.760What the what the what the what the what the believe do we know series and all those things sort of tie into the same phenomenon.
00:09:25.820It's the same phenomenon of you're dealing with a sort of energy and what we determine with our five senses isn't all there is to this world.
00:09:34.800So they do believe in these ancient occult belief systems of hermeticism as above, so below.
00:09:44.000It goes back to John D making contact with the Nokia and aliens.
00:09:47.360And you just find this you find the same sort of idea and concept throughout all of human history, throughout all of the occult.
00:09:56.380And it's basically symbols are used on a subconscious level to charge up energies or to open up and facilitate communication with non-human entities.
00:10:42.320Nine would be the number of the firmament or the I think he was talking about the stars, which we would deduce mean like the angelic bodies or the Elohim.
00:10:50.880And he said, if you want to understand things, you think in three, six, nine.
00:10:54.440Also in terms of vibration, frequency and energy, I believe.
00:11:15.020So the number nine is something that comes up in the order of nine angles.
00:11:18.400And it put us on to this guy, Andrija Puharic, which you also mentioned like electromagnetic energy, which this dude, Andrija Puharic, is focused on these elf waves, which are electromagnetic frequencies that kind of like develop a harp machine or like mind control.
00:12:03.300And this ties into the Church of Satan's, you know, Anton LaVey also had to think of the order of the trapezoid and all of the sacred geometry talk goes back to Pythagoras.
00:12:15.900So, again, my point I want to kind of keep bringing the audience to is that this isn't just some new conspiracy talk.
00:12:22.840This is, you know, ancient wisdom and a lot of the sort of thought leaders of, you know, modern man and the nine angles, the order of nine angles.
00:12:34.200They have a they have a symbol and it's hard to describe what it is.
00:12:42.740Yeah, it's more of a sigil than a symbol, really.
00:12:44.380Right. And from what from what I had read in their book, it it's they believe it to be some kind of sacred geometry.
00:12:53.320And I don't know, it has something to do with that.
00:12:57.920It has something to do with illuminating the the right angles between the points on the shape.
00:13:04.260And it's like all these things they kind of are not I don't want to use reduce in a negative connotation, but like much of this geometry reduces itself to the Fibonacci sequence or the
00:13:16.400But it's like that's a lot of what this you mentioned Pythagoras before.
00:13:19.860And I was just talking the other day about how on my other show, Timeline Cleanse, we watch this short that was made by Disney back in the day where Donald Duck enters a secret society, a Pythagorean secret society.
00:13:30.420Yeah, I've seen. Yeah, that's a really cool bit of I don't know what you would call it.
00:13:35.160It's propaganda. Anything that comes out of Disney is propaganda.
00:13:37.860But and they explain this this concept of the golden ratio, how it relates to the rectangle, how it relates to the pentagram.
00:13:45.640And so, yeah, sacred geometry. We're talking about symbols.
00:13:49.340A sacred geometry goes hand in hand with that. Sometimes I speculate that a lot of these rituals that we see.
00:13:55.800Right. What what does it include? Well, it includes a harmonic, a resonance, a frequency aspect in the in the in the shape of hymns or mantras that you're repeating over and over again.
00:14:05.760So you have this resonance aspect and then you have the geometry aspect.
00:14:09.820It's usually like what a pentagram or some sigil or something enclosed within a circle.
00:14:13.540You have a conductor in the form of bloodletting. Right.
00:14:17.720So blood, any liquid is an effective conductor. What is it conducting?
00:14:21.900It's conducting energy. What kind of energy? Well, it's a negative energy because usually these things are charged by the sacrifice of something that is an unwilling participant.
00:14:29.080So sometimes I think that symbols themselves, they convey ideas much more effectively than language.
00:14:37.880One symbol can convey so much meaning. But then on top of it, there are other ways to this realm is like run by ideas, resonance, frequencies, energies.
00:14:48.580Symbols are an effective way to implant ideas.
00:14:51.680And in order to manipulate this realm, if it really is made up of these things that I just talked about, its energy and geometry and things, well, then you need to do a ritual where you incorporate those things.
00:15:02.320And and maybe that is the ways by which they kind of, you know, it's a means to an end.
00:15:08.680And if you want to alter this realm, you need to do it with geometry, you need to do it with energy, you need to do it with a frequency and, you know, you need a conductor of some sort.
00:15:18.980And so I think that really what we're seeing when we're seeing all this ritual and all these symbols and such, a lot of it is just like, yeah, it's the it's the nature of the realm that we inhabit and it's how they manipulate it.
00:15:29.520And it's not like something that manifests right away.
00:15:31.840It manifests over time, but they need to do that.
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00:15:50.420And a lot of and a lot of that is sort of to to incarnate something from the from the like if you go back to the creation of the world and God, it's about the like the logos or the thought and the spoken word sort of manifesting into reality.
00:16:04.680And and yeah, there's there's a I think there's something magical to it.
00:16:11.080And the the there's a there's a kind of obscure thing.
00:16:15.580I was trying to I was trying to find it on there while you were while you were chatting about that.
00:16:18.820Um, I did a four, no, five part series on the 9-11 back in 2021.
00:16:26.520And one element out of that is that and there's in in Kabbalah, you've got the 10 you got the capitalistic tree of life, right?
00:16:37.720And you got the 10 emanations, the 10 Sephirot, which is like the sort of mind of God creating the material world.
00:16:43.520And the capitalists, you know, your Madonnas and your Britney Spears is and Ariana Grande.
00:16:50.280They they all they all and Ashton Kutcher, they all practice this in the sense that they believe they can take different attributes of the capitalistic tree of life and sort of master each one.
00:17:04.480And move up towards the the highest, which is Kether or Keter, the crown, which is where God resides.
00:17:11.540And that's the the the highest Sephirot.
00:17:13.680And this came up with I'm trying and that's why I want to look it up, because I wanted to attribute it to the right person.
00:17:21.240I want to say it was Freeman Fly who was talking about the the number because he predicted 9-11 and.
00:17:29.640In a way, and the idea was that the magician practicing Kabbalah, I think he I think he attributed to Aleister Crowley was doing going up the tree of life.
00:17:40.700And they skipped from the ninth Sephiroth to the 11th, which is above and beyond God, meaning that they became the magician.
00:17:48.560And now they are sort of better than God and they can create their own realities, which is one of the ideas behind the ritualistic events of 9-11, because it's a it was a very strange event, obviously.
00:18:00.500And you have all this alchemical symbolism there of taking the taking the two twin pillars, the twin towers that you see in front of Solomon's temple as Boaz and Joaquin.
00:18:14.560And those were the twin towers and they took them down and they replaced it with a single tower.
00:18:20.740Right. And this is, again, more Kabbalistic symbolism.
00:18:23.940And it's because you've got the pillar of mercy and the pillar of severity on the two sides of the tree of life.
00:18:30.500But to go up the center is the the the the pillar of perfection.
00:18:35.600And it takes you through what they call day off, which is like the hidden Sephiroth that a lot of these magicians get into.
00:18:42.160Right. And I don't practice any of this stuff.
00:41:12.280But then you look at another captured institution like Hollywood and Hollywood is engineering for
00:41:17.300the most part, all of our concepts or ideas about what these ETs are.
00:41:23.260And we're given this thing that's like, in some ways, they're going to potentially show up and destroy us,
00:41:28.800you know, kind of like the day the Earth stood still or something.
00:41:32.780But in other ways, they're here to intervene on our behalf for our benefit.
00:41:38.260And then goes back to that narrative that we were talking about, the spiritual ascension and the protecting our planet from whatever's coming or maybe even escaping this calamity.
00:41:46.860And it almost looks to me, Isaac, that we've gotten to a place where we're at the climax of a really long psychological operation to rebrand what aliens are and to rebrand the spiritual realm.
00:42:01.420But just like any other realm, like, like, you know, Top was alluding to, we don't know what's in there.
00:42:06.500So if you go in the ocean, you know that there's things that are cool.
00:42:09.740Sea turtles are dope, you know, make sure that they don't have straws in their noses, make sure that they're not getting strangled by six pack plastics.
00:42:16.860And there's all kinds of other, but stay away from sharks.
00:42:21.380Same thing with the woods, you know, cool animals, but don't go near the bear with their cubs.
00:42:26.840We don't have that with the spiritual realm.
00:42:28.360And my problem with that is that whatever resides there is potentially ancient and incredibly deceitful.
00:42:35.320So you're talking about like a dude that was healed by that.
00:42:38.040And I don't know what to make of that.
00:42:39.540But I just know that it seems the MO is oftentimes like give us truths, give us good things, but embed within it a fundamental lie.
00:42:48.100So like the idea that these things can't present as one thing, Lucifer presents as an angel of light, and then actually be something totally different seems pretty reasonable to me.
00:42:58.360But am I just lumping a bunch of disjointed things that don't belong together, together?
00:43:05.000I think you put it together pretty well there.
00:43:07.120It's one of those conundrums of trying to figure that out.
00:43:09.740And to sort of respond, the first idea you were talking about was kind of Joe Rogan selling float tanks and DMT experiences and things.
00:43:22.780And you'll notice that I'm studying accelerationalism right now, and it leans heavily into this current state of the world affairs at the moment, because Silicon Valley is pushing for this.
00:43:38.540And I'm trying to understand what they want and what they're doing.
00:43:41.420And it has to do with their belief, and they're like atheists, obviously, right?
00:43:47.920And they think that capitalism is best left unchecked, and we might as well just accelerate it instead of trying to slow down and worrying about sea turtles with straws in their noses.
00:44:00.240Because they're like, no, just this beast is out of the box.
00:44:12.920Again, this goes back to the whole digital matrix thing and how the nerds want to put us in the matrix, because that's where they can prove to their AI gods that they were on their team the whole time and they wanted to fuel it along.
00:44:29.860But anyways, before we go into that, the idea is, to me, like our brains, I read Joe Dispenza's book, what was it, some new age psychobabble bullshit, but it works.
00:44:55.800It totally works, because I've struggled with anxiety and depression my whole life, and a lot of those new age concepts really help.
00:45:04.720And in the book that I read, he was talking about this idea, like your brain is a filter, right?
00:45:12.520And you program it, and you program it to look for certain truths and things.
00:45:17.680And there's some percentage of your day of experiences and senses that come in that your brain just strips out.
00:45:23.360And it's just looking for, like, the thing that you want to look for.
00:45:27.900So if you're an atheist who doesn't believe in God and you're convinced that aliens exist, well, if you have a float tank experience or a hallucinogenic trip or psychedelics, you'll probably see something that supports that worldview, right?
00:45:45.300And that's kind of – I don't know what to think about Joe Rogan.
00:45:50.200I'm sure we'll talk about him some more.
00:45:52.880Like I said on my other podcast, I have a very toxic relationship with Joe Rogan that he has no idea about.
00:46:06.760I mentioned, like, 10 people that I was like, these are the thought leaders that I adhere to and listen to, and I think everyone should pay attention to these guys.
00:50:39.600But I think he's a little open minded.
00:50:41.760I would say my concern with him isn't so much his rise to success as much as it is his role that he's playing in a narrative that I'm watching unfold.
00:50:52.860And it was very timely and very odd that he would have played the role.
00:50:57.780And so I'm I'm sat back to ask the question, is Ian Carroll moving in a calculated way or are we all moved in ways that we don't feel or understand by a spiritual agenda?
00:51:10.760You know, it just kind of seems that way sometimes.
00:51:13.280But I'd love to get your thoughts on it.
00:51:15.260So you'll you'll have to you'll have to listen to I'm working on this massive, I don't know, three, four, maybe five episodes on the dark enlightenment.
00:51:25.320And it honestly all the pieces of everything I've ever researched falls into it and in the state of the affairs of the world today.
00:51:36.500But anyway, so stay everyone stay subscribed for that.
00:51:39.420OK, because that one's going to I'm I'm probably launching part one, hopefully this weekend, if I can find time to get it down and recorded.
00:51:46.360Isn't it so daunting, Isaac, you want to like do this information justice.
00:52:00.060And the and this the shit part is the news cycle changes so fast.
00:52:05.060Yeah, that you'll because to do it justice, you got to research a good amount, read a couple books, maybe get a podcast interview in, read some interviews.
00:52:13.100And then by the time you like get all your notes down and record it and publish it, it's like a week goes by.
00:52:18.100And all of a sudden, some other insane thing happened and no one cares anymore.
00:52:22.560And it's like, dude, yeah, like I don't want to.
00:52:24.900Anyway, the the social media game is annoying because it ruined everything because now it's you.
00:52:31.820You're better suited to just splat out some BS.
01:17:53.760And because they kind of flirt with these spaces of these philosophies.
01:17:58.480To put a fine point on it, like they're a little bit different, like they don't agree with entirely everything that Curtis Yarvin and Elon Musk are saying or doing.
01:18:06.420But there's elements that they're like supportive of, which is to sort of accelerate the decline of the American empire.
01:18:12.400Yeah. And Laura Loomer even talked about she said the exact thing that the top just said about how she's like, yeah, there's a lot of people that actually disagree with, you know, Elon Musk and all of this stuff happening.
01:18:27.000But they rely on their Twitter checks too much.
01:18:29.220So they're just going to keep pushing the same bullshit that they want because because Twitter is the new sort of state media.
01:18:35.840Right. And what was upsetting to me about Joe Rogan is like I I'm starting to wonder if he's not part of this now.
01:18:42.400Which sucks. Like, I don't want to believe that I want to give him space to sort of in my romantic relationships I have with him in my head to say, hey, Isaac, it's no, baby, you know, I want that.
01:18:57.520There was an interview. He had. Oh, I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I was like talking over you.
01:19:05.520No, he had Michael Osterholm on at the beginning of the vid. And I remember my so my wife was pregnant with my son and we were going to our final appointment to check out the baby. And I remember listening to that on the car ride there.
01:19:20.580And like immediately, I said, maybe immediately, maybe three or four days after the entire world shut down.
01:19:26.240Yeah, that's like right around the end of March. Actually, we're in March. And it was all from Joe Rogan's podcast. He put that into the ether.
01:19:34.900He also put in like the IV mectin stuff into the ether and then get the whole conversation from that. And here we go again with Ian Carroll.
01:19:42.800There's a very famous clip. I don't know if you guys have seen it. Joey Diaz on way too much edibles is talking to Rogan and he said something about Rogan not answering.
01:19:55.280And he's like, yeah, dog, me and Redman wondering if the CIA visited you again. And instead of just laughing about it, Rogan was like, what do you mean?
01:20:04.580And the look on Joey Diaz's face is very fascinating. You know, it's up to interpretation. And he goes, nothing, dog, never mind.
01:20:11.920And then he just moves on to the next thing. And to that, I say, if you don't think that that's a potentiality for the CIA to be interested in the biggest platform on the planet, you're out of your mind.
01:20:26.060I'm not saying that that means he says yes. And also, I'm not even saying that if he is captured, that he has to be a willing participant.
01:20:33.960They have ways of making you say yes. You know what I mean? So people have this outlook on Rogan's podcast.
01:20:40.780I would almost say that it's guaranteed that he's co-opted because you would never let an asset like that go untapped if you're an intelligence agency.
01:20:49.720The CIA is in the business of cultural manufacturing, right? You're talking Laurel Canyon and all that shit.
01:20:55.080They never stop. They do the same thing with the hip hop industry. It's never ended.
01:20:59.840Right. And the idea that they wouldn't have an interest in Rogan's podcast, considering that it became the most culturally impactful phenomenon that we've seen since, I don't know, name something else that even holds a candle to it.
01:21:12.900I would say it seems obvious that they need to do that.
01:21:18.400Hashtag free Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is an unwilling participant in this narrative.
01:21:23.060Look, there are things about him that are concerning, right?
01:21:26.620Because we talked about this whole John C. Lilly float tank thing, and obviously the CIA becomes fascinated in that conjunction of psychedelics and sensory deprivation and psychic communication and things like that.
01:21:41.020And much of that is part of this MKUltra program.
01:21:45.160And then he has, I don't know, the, the, the, well, he has Ian Carroll on, but before he does that, he blows up the telepathy tapes, which are very strange to me right now.
01:21:58.300It's another one of these things that I feel like an idea's time has come and there's a narrative that's unfolding.
01:22:04.180And I think that it actually is a little bit more nefarious than people think.
01:22:08.360So they're looking at this telepathy tapes thing, which by the way, Rogan made the number one podcast in the world.
01:22:13.360Rogan was the number one podcast in the world for a long time.
01:22:16.940And I'm sure occasionally somebody knocked him out, but generally speaking, he held that number one spot until he introduced the world to the telepathy tapes.
01:22:24.660And they held the number one spot for like the next few weeks after that.
01:22:38.360It's creating a disassociative identity disorder within the patient in order to make them susceptible to suggestion, but also to potentially expose latent psychic abilities.
01:22:50.080You know, we're getting into like the Montauk project, right?
01:22:59.720It unlocks her latent psychic ability.
01:23:01.500I'm sorry, dude, but I'm looking at the telepathy tapes and I'm looking at these poor kids that are nonverbal autistic and I'm looking at the correlation between the autism levels and the you know what.
01:23:12.100So you can't even say it or else we'll get removed off of YouTube.
01:23:14.140And I'm going, is that just another trauma based operation to unlock psychic latent abilities in children?
01:23:23.060And why is a guy who's introducing these sensory deprivation tanks to us also now introducing the telepathy tapes to us?
01:25:15.960And it ties into a lot of the occult stuff when you go into the history of Tibet and Alexandria David Neal, who went there, was studying a lot of the ideas that Helena Blavatsky was saying in a lot of her New Age writings in the late 1800s, early 1900s or whatever.
01:25:35.300And she was saying that there are these things they call the CDs, right, the superpowers latent in man that can be unlocked through enough sort of like New Age practices of meditation and yoga and all this stuff.
01:25:47.820And forever ago, I read this book called The Autobiography of the Yogananda, a very famous book, because there was this Russian Orthodox guy I worked with.
01:25:56.460And we were always talking about, like, weird spirituality stuff.
01:25:59.220And he's like, dude, you got to read The Autobiography of the Yogananda.
01:26:52.840And billionaires should be, we should have a CEO king, which is all, by the way, tied into Manly P. Hall, Secret Destiny of America, the Platonic Empire's philosopher king.
01:27:05.180Again, going back to my first point, it's the same thing over and over and over.
01:27:09.420And they just try at different angles.
01:27:11.300And now the billionaires are like, well, let's do it.
01:27:13.600And this time we'll say it's, like, a libertarian thing.
01:27:16.000And they, when you dig into it, like, some of the philosophers I'm researching, like Nick Land, who was, they call him the godfather of accelerationalism.
01:27:26.420Turns out, when I'm just innocently researching him, they talk about these artists, Jake and Dinos Chapman, who've collaborated with him a bunch.
01:27:33.720And I was like, why does that name sound familiar?
01:27:36.220Well, it's because back when we were talking about Valenciaga, their name came up because they had some really dark art.
01:27:41.940And people can kind of Google around and find it.
01:27:45.140And it's kids with appendages they shouldn't have.
01:27:50.680They were the ones that were on a magazine that was in the background, I think.
01:27:54.900I think that was where their tie-in was.
01:28:58.080Order of the Nine Angles is one of them, yes.
01:29:00.200And because I did a couple shows on Nine Angles back in 21, but she takes it deeper into some of the other groups.
01:29:06.160And you'll find, and I'll cover all this on my show eventually, but you'll find that these groups are into a bunch of grotesquely satanic, awful things, including ritual magic, including messing around with these, you know, kids.
01:29:31.560There's one more little key to that traumatic disassociative identity disorder situation, and it is that that is also the catalyst for schizophrenia.
01:29:41.180So, very many people who are schizophrenic have suffered trauma in childhood, and it creates a separation.
01:29:48.400It's a methodology for a kid to escape.
01:29:52.360That's right, guys, because you know his name, Dr. Jerry Marzynski, clinical psychologist in the field, 35 years, dealing with schizophrenic patients.
01:29:59.100And he comes out the other end saying, it is not auditory and visual hallucinations.
01:30:04.020These people are beset upon by something external to themselves.
01:30:07.460And it just so happens to have a visceral reaction to biblical scripture, if you read it to them.
01:30:11.920And so, we've done a couple of episodes with that guy.
01:30:22.240And it's just worth noting that very many of the people who suffer from it have also suffered from trauma in childhood, which creates disassociation.
01:30:29.960I mean, I know we're coming up on time here, Isaac, but I did want to mention that coming up in this online space, I did come up in the libertarian circle.
01:30:40.480So, I know all these people that you're talking about, and I know the ideology inside and out.
01:30:45.120And one of our earliest episodes, we had our friend Dave Smith on with our other friend, Clint Russell.
01:30:50.420And I didn't want Dave to come on and talk about Mises and Rothbard and, you know, Misesi and economics, which I think there's a place for.
01:30:58.100I think that's what libertarianism, well, not the party, but the ideology really nails.
01:31:03.420It's like the economic ideas of like how things make sense.
01:31:07.280They get a little goofy going other places.
01:31:09.140But the name of the episode was God and Liberty, because I wanted to press Dave on where does God fall in this idea of libertarianism in your ideology?
01:31:22.420Because libertarianism is this weird thing that can seem like it has a lot of these tenets of Christianity, but it also has these weird tenets of almost like Crowley and Satanism, like shit like that, like do what thou wilt.
01:31:37.400And I'm like, well, that's what it seems like that's what Christianity is.
01:31:40.800If you take God from the center of Christianity, it turns into Satanism or libertarianism in a lot of different ways.
01:31:48.820Even their symbology, you have, you know, the Statue of Liberty with a flame, which is kind of like it might actually be.
01:31:55.380Like the morning star, the Prometean torchbearer, like it's their symbol.
01:31:59.880It's a strange, yeah, it's a strange thing to choose.
01:32:03.400And then even the concept of like liberation, right?
01:32:05.700Like is that's so parallel to rebellion that they're almost kind of the same thing.
01:32:10.980And then it just brings to image, you know, the fallen angels.
01:32:40.580And yes, you know what I'm talking about when I'm using these terms.
01:32:43.820It's it's all kind of new to me because I didn't I wasn't really aware of it.
01:32:47.400And you're correct in the sense that I need to tell you that, but like in terms of libertarianism is the Church of Satan embraced social Darwinism.
01:32:55.300And it's like, you know, might is right.
01:32:57.180And that's kind of a libertarian perspective.
01:32:58.880And and I'm not I'm not reducing all libertarian and conservative ideas is wrong by any means.
01:33:04.660I mean, I think that having a balanced, moderate system is kind of the ideal.
01:33:31.520And that's all you need to see to understand what the party, what the logical conclusion is to that ideology.
01:33:39.200You're not going to get like people like Clint Russell and Dave Smith and me that are going to be like that.
01:33:45.720I guess like we come out of it, but we are not the exemplification of what it is when it's boiled down to its logical conclusion.
01:33:52.880Boiled down is a bunch of autistic kids or autistic men and women with a bunch of pins on their jackets who are very much what you're talking about,