Nephilim Death Squad - 141： Occult Symbolism & Pop Culture w⧸ Isaac Weishaupt

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00:00:30.380 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:00:38.800 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.

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00:01:06.080 Welcome to the end of day.

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00:01:14.080 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

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00:01:55.200 Guys, joining us today is a guest that we've wanted to talk to for a long time.

00:01:59.620 We finally got it done introducing Isaac Weisup.

00:02:02.760 Isaac, for the audience who might not be familiar with your content,

00:02:06.140 let everybody know where they can find your work and what is it that you focus on.

00:02:10.640 All right. Thanks for having me on.

00:02:11.580 And there's been a lot of requests for me to hook up with you guys.

00:02:15.440 So I'm glad we finally can make this happen.

00:02:18.200 So I'll just run.

00:02:20.360 I'll give you guys the third sort of 30-second history.

00:02:22.920 I started blogging in.

00:02:25.500 No.

00:02:26.700 Where you can.

00:02:27.320 Sorry.

00:02:28.420 You can still find my.

00:02:29.760 I don't I don't have my blog articles.

00:02:31.440 I kind of I got sued and had to take them down and I've just been censored to oblivion.

00:02:36.920 But anyway, so IlluminatiWatcher.com is where you can find links to everything.

00:02:40.820 My podcast, my books, all that stuff.

00:02:43.860 And around 2014, I started the podcast, which at the time was called Conspiracy Theories in Pop Culture and Unpopular Culture.

00:02:53.120 Excuse me.

00:02:53.740 And that bled into a YouTube channel, which was getting really big numbers.

00:03:00.140 And then that got torched.

00:03:02.660 I kept writing over the years.

00:03:04.100 I've written nine books.

00:03:04.960 I'm working on my 10th one right now, which is about Twin Peaks Occult Symbolism.

00:03:09.380 And then around 2021, I rebranded my podcast into Occult Symbolism in Pop Culture for a variety of reasons.

00:03:18.100 We can get into that if you want.

00:03:19.720 But the ideas that I've been presenting and researching since basically full time since 2011 have been a mix of occult spirituality and religious beliefs mixed with pop culture, you know, films, movies, television mixed with conspiracy theory, updates, news culture.

00:03:42.960 And, you know, over the years, I've refined and refined the sort of ideas.

00:03:49.140 And as you guys know, it's when you get into this sort of when I started out, it was very much just being on the pulse of all what are the conspiracy people talking about?

00:04:00.180 And then as the years go by, you start sort of niching out into the thing that you're really into.

00:04:04.680 And now I find myself being more of a basement dweller type researcher now.

00:04:09.620 And I kind of mind my own business and just research and, you know, do my podcast is kind of where where the path has led me.

00:04:17.560 So, yeah, you can find me on all the podcast platforms, Occult Symbolism in Pop Culture.

00:04:20.680 That's a great field of study, occult symbolism in pop culture.

00:04:25.520 It's kind of the gift that keeps on giving in very many ways.

00:04:28.000 It brought me to the table because, you know, you just get all this symbolism in the music industry and Hollywood and things like that.

00:04:35.400 And you get these, you know, answers from people that are sort of naysayers that they sound like, well, this is just shock value that an artist or an industry is implanting these symbols within their product in order to, I don't know, reach a niche audience who really doesn't have any money anyway.

00:04:53.020 Conspiracy theorists were typically broke and unhinged.

00:04:55.820 We're not really your main consumer base.

00:04:58.480 And yet we were made to believe that a lot of this is just shock value.

00:05:01.900 It's just to capture the attention of people who, you know, are alone in being able to see it.

00:05:07.800 And then if you don't believe that and you decide to start digging into what these symbols mean, it's a it's a never ending treasure trove of revelations.

00:05:15.140 Yeah. What do you what do you make of that?

00:05:16.960 Because, I mean, you've been doing this since 2011.

00:05:19.460 So you've been studying like this weird esoteric occult symbolism that pops up pretty much everywhere, whether it's music, history, entertainment.

00:05:28.220 Why are they showing it to us so readily?

00:05:30.520 And especially lately, why is it so blatantly obvious?

00:05:34.740 Yeah, these are like the million dollar questions.

00:05:37.000 And this is how I my sort of study of occult symbolism is what put me into the conspiracy world as a sort of truther or theorist or whatever you want to call it, because most people that do know me know that I on this on the spectrum of sort of conspiracy theorists.

00:05:57.480 I am well further down the rational side of and I don't say that in a demeaning way, but I mean it in more of a I'm a little more skeptical than most.

00:06:05.740 Like, I'm not like, you know, that that video I saw, I saw that security guy turn into a lizard.

00:06:13.220 That's proof.

00:06:14.020 Like, I'm not that guy.

00:06:15.140 Like, I'd be like, OK, maybe that was an artifact in the video.

00:06:17.820 I don't know.

00:06:18.540 It could be.

00:06:19.120 And I but I but I give I give credence to all conspiracies.

00:06:22.780 Like, I'm openly entertained all of them.

00:06:24.740 Like, I'm not like I don't just shut things down.

00:06:26.800 But as far as symbolism goes, it's it's an interesting phenomenon because that's kind of one of the red pill things to get people into this because they see these images and they're like, dude, why are they all doing the little one eye like thing?

00:06:39.840 And why are they all doing six, six, six hands and things like this?

00:06:43.240 And it's irrefutable and it's perplexing and nobody really understands it.

00:06:47.300 And from the people that have come before me, like like James Shelby Downard is a guy that I just got turned on to a few years back and I'm still unpacking a lot of his writings.

00:07:01.740 He talks about the cryptocracy, which is, you know, to simplify, it's kind of more of like the Illuminati.

00:07:07.980 Right. And these people practice a form of of sort of esoteric magic in a way that they are playing with energies is kind of the short version.

00:07:19.840 And a lot of the people like Carl Young, psychoanalyst Carl Young, who was an occultist himself, a Gnostic, he he talked about he's got a whole book on symbolism and a couple of them, actually.

00:07:33.020 And he talks about how symbols give purpose to mankind.

00:07:37.160 And then if you read into various of like I'm trying to think of the name of the book, it's a comparative religion book.

00:07:46.680 The name escapes me now. Everyone knows it.

00:07:48.620 But anyways, if you look at the ancient cultures and their religions and stuff, they all they all thought that the symbols held power.

00:07:55.980 And that's why they would use them in these ceremonies and such.

00:07:58.620 And it it goes into some of the sort of black magic groups and the satanic folks like there's this group called the Order of Nine Angles.

00:08:11.020 That's, I mean, fascinating and terrifying at the same time.

00:08:16.160 And in their book, it's called the Infernal Magic Book, they talk about the magicians using the signs and the symbols to communicate.

00:08:25.640 And that's what this that's the big that's the big thing here.

00:08:28.680 And that's where you start to make sense of why symbols, why symbols are everywhere and what they're doing.

00:08:33.700 And you go back through the lineage of occult magicians, Eliphas Levy, the guy who drew the first Baphomet, you know, goat with the bobs.

00:08:44.220 He he talked about the the magnetic chain and how symbols would charge up a magnetic chain.

00:08:50.020 And if you if you and I'm throwing a million ideas at you guys, but a lot on my journey before I started getting into full time conspiracies back in like the early 2000s.

00:08:59.600 I was I was I was really only into Bill Cooper's Behold a Pale Horse and David Ikes had a bunch of VHS tapes like Freedom Road.

00:09:09.160 And those things opened me up to studying New Age philosophies, you know, the secret law of attraction.

00:09:18.760 What the what the what the what the what the believe do we know series and all those things sort of tie into the same phenomenon.

00:09:25.820 It's the same phenomenon of you're dealing with a sort of energy and what we determine with our five senses isn't all there is to this world.

00:09:34.800 So they do believe in these ancient occult belief systems of hermeticism as above, so below.

00:09:44.000 It goes back to John D making contact with the Nokia and aliens.

00:09:47.360 And you just find this you find the same sort of idea and concept throughout all of human history, throughout all of the occult.

00:09:56.380 And it's basically symbols are used on a subconscious level to charge up energies or to open up and facilitate communication with non-human entities.

00:10:06.120 So there's a couple of things there.

00:10:08.080 Like so you just ran down the list of like this is just candy right now.

00:10:11.460 And I'm trying to figure out which one I want to eat.

00:10:14.220 The order of nine angles is something that put us on to this number, the number nine, which seems to be significant.

00:10:20.960 You have Tesla with this three, six, nine.

00:10:23.260 Merkel had a documentary.

00:10:26.180 What's the Tesla three, six, nine?

00:10:27.740 I'm not familiar with that.

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00:10:30.700 Zigga, zagga, zagga. 1.00

00:10:31.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:31.660 The window to the wall. 1.00

00:10:32.940 Oh, that kind of shit. 0.99

00:10:33.880 No, three, six, nine, three being three is three is the number of like the underworld. 1.00

00:10:39.840 Right.

00:10:40.880 Six is the number of man.

00:10:42.320 Nine would be the number of the firmament or the I think he was talking about the stars, which we would deduce mean like the angelic bodies or the Elohim.

00:10:50.880 And he said, if you want to understand things, you think in three, six, nine.

00:10:54.440 Also in terms of vibration, frequency and energy, I believe.

00:10:58.960 Oh, sorry.

00:10:59.460 You're talking about Nikola Tesla.

00:11:01.300 I was picturing Elon Musk when you said Tesla.

00:11:03.340 No, he's become synonymous with it now.

00:11:05.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:06.520 Anyways, and that doesn't change anything.

00:11:07.960 I just I had to train a thought.

00:11:10.280 OK, so Nikola Tesla was talking about those kinds of things, huh?

00:11:13.340 Yeah.

00:11:13.480 Yeah.

00:11:13.640 Well, specifically like that.

00:11:15.020 So the number nine is something that comes up in the order of nine angles.

00:11:18.400 And it put us on to this guy, Andrija Puharic, which you also mentioned like electromagnetic energy, which this dude, Andrija Puharic, is focused on these elf waves, which are electromagnetic frequencies that kind of like develop a harp machine or like mind control. 0.81

00:11:33.640 All kinds of shit like this.

00:11:34.520 But what do you know about the number nine? 0.99

00:11:36.600 Is this something that maybe you can gleam on us that is that we're missing? 0.96

00:11:40.180 Because there's a lot of shit that's floating around that we're continually pulling out and creating. 0.95

00:11:45.740 We're creating like this magnum opus of this weird study. 0.98

00:11:48.800 And it revolves around the number nine.

00:11:50.800 So for the order of nine angles, like they use it to refer to sacred geometry and, you know, you got three times three equals nine.

00:12:01.140 So it's like the square.

00:12:03.060 Right.

00:12:03.300 And this ties into the Church of Satan's, you know, Anton LaVey also had to think of the order of the trapezoid and all of the sacred geometry talk goes back to Pythagoras.

00:12:15.900 So, again, my point I want to kind of keep bringing the audience to is that this isn't just some new conspiracy talk.

00:12:22.840 This is, you know, ancient wisdom and a lot of the sort of thought leaders of, you know, modern man and the nine angles, the order of nine angles.

00:12:34.200 They have a they have a symbol and it's hard to describe what it is.

00:12:40.160 It's almost like a sigil.

00:12:42.740 Yeah, it's more of a sigil than a symbol, really.

00:12:44.380 Right. And from what from what I had read in their book, it it's they believe it to be some kind of sacred geometry.

00:12:53.320 And I don't know, it has something to do with that.

00:12:57.920 It has something to do with illuminating the the right angles between the points on the shape.

00:13:04.260 And it's like all these things they kind of are not I don't want to use reduce in a negative connotation, but like much of this geometry reduces itself to the Fibonacci sequence or the

00:13:14.360 or the golden ratio or pie. Right.

00:13:16.400 But it's like that's a lot of what this you mentioned Pythagoras before.

00:13:19.860 And I was just talking the other day about how on my other show, Timeline Cleanse, we watch this short that was made by Disney back in the day where Donald Duck enters a secret society, a Pythagorean secret society.

00:13:30.420 Yeah, I've seen. Yeah, that's a really cool bit of I don't know what you would call it.

00:13:35.160 It's propaganda. Anything that comes out of Disney is propaganda.

00:13:37.860 But and they explain this this concept of the golden ratio, how it relates to the rectangle, how it relates to the pentagram.

00:13:45.640 And so, yeah, sacred geometry. We're talking about symbols.

00:13:49.340 A sacred geometry goes hand in hand with that. Sometimes I speculate that a lot of these rituals that we see.

00:13:55.800 Right. What what does it include? Well, it includes a harmonic, a resonance, a frequency aspect in the in the in the shape of hymns or mantras that you're repeating over and over again.

00:14:05.760 So you have this resonance aspect and then you have the geometry aspect.

00:14:09.820 It's usually like what a pentagram or some sigil or something enclosed within a circle.

00:14:13.540 You have a conductor in the form of bloodletting. Right.

00:14:17.720 So blood, any liquid is an effective conductor. What is it conducting?

00:14:21.900 It's conducting energy. What kind of energy? Well, it's a negative energy because usually these things are charged by the sacrifice of something that is an unwilling participant.

00:14:29.080 So sometimes I think that symbols themselves, they convey ideas much more effectively than language.

00:14:37.880 One symbol can convey so much meaning. But then on top of it, there are other ways to this realm is like run by ideas, resonance, frequencies, energies.

00:14:48.580 Symbols are an effective way to implant ideas.

00:14:51.680 And in order to manipulate this realm, if it really is made up of these things that I just talked about, its energy and geometry and things, well, then you need to do a ritual where you incorporate those things.

00:15:02.320 And and maybe that is the ways by which they kind of, you know, it's a means to an end.

00:15:08.680 And if you want to alter this realm, you need to do it with geometry, you need to do it with energy, you need to do it with a frequency and, you know, you need a conductor of some sort.

00:15:18.980 And so I think that really what we're seeing when we're seeing all this ritual and all these symbols and such, a lot of it is just like, yeah, it's the it's the nature of the realm that we inhabit and it's how they manipulate it.

00:15:29.520 And it's not like something that manifests right away.

00:15:31.840 It manifests over time, but they need to do that.

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00:15:49.740 Yeah.

00:15:50.420 And a lot of and a lot of that is sort of to to incarnate something from the from the like if you go back to the creation of the world and God, it's about the like the logos or the thought and the spoken word sort of manifesting into reality.

00:16:04.680 And and yeah, there's there's a I think there's something magical to it.

00:16:11.080 And the the there's a there's a kind of obscure thing.

00:16:15.580 I was trying to I was trying to find it on there while you were while you were chatting about that.

00:16:18.820 Um, I did a four, no, five part series on the 9-11 back in 2021.

00:16:26.520 And one element out of that is that and there's in in Kabbalah, you've got the 10 you got the capitalistic tree of life, right?

00:16:37.720 And you got the 10 emanations, the 10 Sephirot, which is like the sort of mind of God creating the material world.

00:16:43.520 And the capitalists, you know, your Madonnas and your Britney Spears is and Ariana Grande.

00:16:50.280 They they all they all and Ashton Kutcher, they all practice this in the sense that they believe they can take different attributes of the capitalistic tree of life and sort of master each one.

00:17:04.480 And move up towards the the highest, which is Kether or Keter, the crown, which is where God resides.

00:17:11.540 And that's the the the highest Sephirot. 1.00

00:17:13.680 And this came up with I'm trying and that's why I want to look it up, because I wanted to attribute it to the right person.

00:17:21.240 I want to say it was Freeman Fly who was talking about the the number because he predicted 9-11 and.

00:17:29.640 In a way, and the idea was that the magician practicing Kabbalah, I think he I think he attributed to Aleister Crowley was doing going up the tree of life.

00:17:40.700 And they skipped from the ninth Sephiroth to the 11th, which is above and beyond God, meaning that they became the magician.

00:17:48.560 And now they are sort of better than God and they can create their own realities, which is one of the ideas behind the ritualistic events of 9-11, because it's a it was a very strange event, obviously.

00:18:00.500 And you have all this alchemical symbolism there of taking the taking the two twin pillars, the twin towers that you see in front of Solomon's temple as Boaz and Joaquin.

00:18:14.560 And those were the twin towers and they took them down and they replaced it with a single tower.

00:18:20.740 Right. And this is, again, more Kabbalistic symbolism.

00:18:23.940 And it's because you've got the pillar of mercy and the pillar of severity on the two sides of the tree of life.

00:18:30.500 But to go up the center is the the the the pillar of perfection.

00:18:35.600 And it takes you through what they call day off, which is like the hidden Sephiroth that a lot of these magicians get into.

00:18:42.160 Right. And I don't practice any of this stuff.

00:18:43.980 I just read about it.

00:18:45.180 But so I don't I don't understand it in the sense that I've experienced any of this stuff.

00:18:49.800 But they seem to believe it wholeheartedly and practice it.

00:18:53.300 And they embrace this sort of line of thinking.

00:18:57.120 And another one more thing to add to the nine argument is when I was.

00:19:02.680 Do you guys ever watch Twin Peaks? 0.99

00:19:04.180 I dude, I tried because of you and I I'm so I cannot pay attention to shit. 0.96

00:19:09.900 What's the guy's name, David? 0.98

00:19:11.280 The guy that made it, David something.

00:19:12.880 David Lynch. Yeah, he just passed away.

00:19:14.860 And so I said, OK, you know what?

00:19:16.980 Now that he's dead, I'll go.

00:19:18.400 I'll go watch it.

00:19:19.580 And I tried.

00:19:20.720 And like, I don't know what it was. 0.95

00:19:21.980 It was just so my attention span, admittedly, is trash.

00:19:25.960 And so I know I've heard you say that it took multiple attempts to watch it. 0.68

00:19:31.000 The same thing happened with me with Breaking Bad.

00:19:32.960 And then I ended up loving that show.

00:19:34.460 So I'm hoping to revisit it and see if I just need to be in the right state of mind.

00:19:39.140 Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's definitely not like the most digestible thing on the first attempt.

00:19:44.900 My wife also has a hard time focusing on things. 1.00

00:19:47.000 And she she tapped out, you know, maybe around the 12th episode.

00:19:50.640 She got way further than me, dude. 1.00

00:19:52.180 Episode one.

00:19:52.940 I was like, what do they say?

00:19:53.860 Like, I just couldn't.

00:19:55.000 I got a nine year old, too.

00:19:56.240 So he's constantly like, you know, trying to he's battling for my attention.

00:19:59.540 So Twin Peaks versus my son.

00:20:01.220 My son ends up winning.

00:20:02.320 But yeah, I got to give it another shot.

00:20:04.360 Yeah, it's not something you can just like watch in 10 minute chunks on your phone while you're

00:20:07.920 getting ready to bed.

00:20:08.580 And it's just so demanding because there's so much crap to get through.

00:20:13.620 But anyway, my point being is that in season three, this isn't a plot spoiler, but there's

00:20:18.500 this recurring theme of the numbers two, five, three, which add up to 10.

00:20:23.680 And they even tell you in the show that 10 is the number of perfection, which would imply

00:20:29.320 that nine is like as close as you can get to it, which, again, this is like sort of a

00:20:33.680 capitalistic idea is that the ninth Sephirot is about as close as you can get to the 0.99

00:20:37.800 Kether, the crown and the highest.

00:20:40.160 So it's kind of the thing of being sort of right next to God, I would say.

00:20:44.340 I mean, just to throw some ideas about what a nine could represent.

00:20:47.720 And then, uh, man, I did a I'm trying to go back my you know how this goes.

00:20:52.080 You research the stuff and then it just goes out your brain a week later.

00:20:55.320 But back when Juice WRLD died, he was pushing a lot of the nine nine nine symbolism, if you

00:20:59.920 recall.

00:21:00.820 Yeah, I remember him.

00:21:02.020 I had a whole piece about that.

00:21:03.160 And I don't remember what it was for the life of me.

00:21:05.160 Now, it was kind of the inversion of six, six, six.

00:21:07.800 Right.

00:21:08.460 One of the things that we discovered with, uh, Andrea Pujaric is that, um, he's talking

00:21:13.420 to this, this council of nine and he goes as far as naming them, naming the individual

00:21:19.160 entities that he's, uh, uh, you know, engaging with.

00:21:22.160 And they all are the exact same names as the Egyptian Ineat, which is a, you know, a cluster 1.00

00:21:27.960 of Egyptian gods that, that ruled over.

00:21:30.420 And, um, that, that sort of theme, it pops up over and over again.

00:21:35.240 And it actually connects directly to what we, uh, dragged you out here to talk about today

00:21:39.800 was a little bit of this MK ultra and, uh, and maybe even the Joe Rogan podcast and how

00:21:44.220 that applies.

00:21:44.760 But the reason that I'm drawing this connection here is because Andrea just talking to them

00:21:50.180 and they have a message.

00:21:51.300 The message is, is more or less, um, mankind is going to ascend at some point, uh, spiritually

00:21:58.980 and that, that is a good thing.

00:22:02.880 As long as we can avoid some sort of global catastrophe and that global catastrophe takes

00:22:09.080 two forms.

00:22:09.640 Now, when it comes to the Egyptian Ineat, which is, I'm just going to call that the nine, 1.00

00:22:13.320 because he literally named them and each one of their names is the actual name of the

00:22:17.640 individual entities from the Ineat.

00:22:18.920 So they are telling him that it's a climate related catastrophe.

00:22:23.500 What I find significant about that is that theme pops up over and over again, but it's

00:22:28.240 not just relegated to Andreej and the, you know, the Ineat.

00:22:33.260 Uh, you have, for example, the Galactic Federation of Light, right?

00:22:37.160 So many people who claim to be alien abductee victims, uh, will come back with this story.

00:22:43.840 And certainly the Galactic Federation of Light that operates on YouTube to some degree, and

00:22:48.620 you could decide for yourself whether or not there's any validity to it, but still they

00:22:52.460 have a pretty consistent message.

00:22:54.220 Um, and it's the same one that these people will often get from, you know, ETs and their 0.91

00:22:58.360 abduction experiences.

00:22:59.300 And that message is, uh, mankind is being subdued by a group that is small and does not 0.99

00:23:07.740 have their best interests at heart and they're ruling things.

00:23:10.880 And if we can get them out of the way and avoid a coming global catastrophe.

00:23:15.600 Now with the ETs, it's a little bit different.

00:23:17.800 It's like, sometimes there's a climate change, climate alarmist angle, but other times it's,

00:23:23.460 and this is pretty consistent too.

00:23:25.440 You are going to destroy yourselves in nuclear war and we have to stop you from destroying 0.99

00:23:30.420 the planet.

00:23:30.860 In fact, um, they showed up shortly after our nuclear testing, uh, at least in the conventional

00:23:37.620 sense, ETs, as we see them today showed up after our nuclear tests.

00:23:41.840 And so they want to save us from destroying the planet.

00:23:44.260 They want to save us from this cabal that seeks to suppress us.

00:23:47.780 And they want us to elevate and take our place among the galactic federation.

00:23:53.000 And so this thing peaks its head up over and over and over again.

00:23:57.780 There's a lady on Tik TOK. 1.00

00:23:59.640 Um, she has been using a Ouija board along with her husband, communicating with an entity

00:24:04.900 for, for some time.

00:24:06.500 They've surmised that this entity is like an ET.

00:24:09.540 There's been several attempts, according to it, to intervene on behalf of humanity.

00:24:14.260 And it points to, you know, nuclear testing.

00:24:18.180 That's when they show it, it basically alludes that it is the ETs that we keep having these

00:24:22.100 experiences with where they shut down our nuclear facilities when we're about to launch a missile 0.87

00:24:25.760 or some shit like that. 0.96

00:24:26.660 And, um, and yeah, basically its concern is, uh, you guys are going to destroy yourselves 0.99

00:24:32.380 with the weapons that you developed.

00:24:34.120 And that's not the purpose.

00:24:35.260 You're meant to elevate and ascend and be part of us.

00:24:38.380 And interestingly enough, that character tells its name and its name is seven.

00:24:44.460 And you can go and find a book.

00:24:47.440 There is a book called the council of nine or the council of Saturn.

00:24:50.480 And it's written by an entity named seven.

00:24:52.720 And it's all about how it's trying to intervene on our behalf.

00:24:56.260 Cause we're going to destroy ourselves and our planet.

00:24:58.520 And we need to ascend over and over and over again.

00:25:02.220 And you find this theme.

00:25:03.420 Yeah, for sure.

00:25:04.520 Right.

00:25:05.760 Yeah.

00:25:06.060 Well, okay.

00:25:07.100 No, this is, this is where it kind of gets a little maybe subjective here as to who you're

00:25:12.160 talking to.

00:25:12.760 Uh, my, my personal worldview is, uh, I was raised in a, uh, like a Christian non-denominational

00:25:21.960 Christian church.

00:25:23.260 Uh, it was, I don't know.

00:25:26.000 I call it like a rock band church.

00:25:27.360 Right.

00:25:28.420 And it wasn't that, that high production.

00:25:32.220 It was, it was the church of the Nazarene, which ironically was the one that Charles

00:25:37.420 Manson went to when he was, I'm a big Manson, uh, like aficionado.

00:25:44.400 I'm really into Charles Manson stuff.

00:25:46.260 I got it from my dad.

00:25:47.240 That's what, what do you think about the documentary as a quick side?

00:25:51.700 So the, the book, I read the book when it came out, it's a pretty massive book.

00:25:56.360 Cause it was like 20 years of research.

00:25:58.460 Tom O'Neill did.

00:25:59.400 And the book, and I had read several, I'm not going to say all the Manson books, but

00:26:04.500 I've read, I mean, damn near all of them.

00:26:06.160 I've seen damn near all the documentaries.

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00:26:22.360 And, uh, just as like a casual thing, I was going to write a book about Manson, but then

00:26:29.180 in my, in my research, Adam go rightly had written a book called the shadow over Santa

00:26:34.800 Susana, which was like far and above and beyond what I was thinking about writing.

00:26:39.280 Cause he connects all these weird conspiracies and symbolism and connects it with pop culture

00:26:44.160 events.

00:26:44.460 I mean, it's an amazing book and I read it for part of the research.

00:26:48.240 I was like, Oh, forget it.

00:26:49.460 This guy already did it.

00:26:50.400 So, um, that, and I was starting to have these weird nightmares.

00:26:54.580 Um, let me back up.

00:26:56.560 So my dad, he, he died in 2012.

00:26:59.160 He was 56 years old and his whole life.

00:27:02.320 And he was in law enforcement.

00:27:03.480 He was a prison guard and his whole life.

00:27:06.480 He was super fascinated with Charles Manson.

00:27:08.720 And he was pen pals with Michael channels.

00:27:12.240 Uh, the guy who, uh, was one of the like three people that contested with the state that he

00:27:18.720 should have sort of inherited Charles Manson's body when he died or something like that, or

00:27:22.880 been at the part of the wheel or whatever.

00:27:25.720 Anyway, my dad, like he just was always fascinated by the case.

00:27:30.180 And the, um, when he died, my inheritance was his collection of Manson murderabilia, which

00:27:38.600 was like, so I've got this framed thing in my basement of Charles Manson's hair and a

00:27:44.480 guitar pick and a bunch of his drawings and this little record that he wrote rise on.

00:27:49.160 I mean, just like, it goes on and on and on those letters.

00:27:51.360 I mean, I got tons of crap and, but it gives me weird, bad mojo and I don't like it really, 0.86

00:27:56.620 but I don't know what to do with it. 0.93

00:27:57.920 I tried to give it to the, on a lease to the Hollywood of death museum in LA.

00:28:02.300 And they were like, look, like the deal is like, we don't lease stuff.

00:28:06.640 You got to like, give it to us or sell it to us.

00:28:08.640 So how much do you want for it?

00:28:09.840 And I was like, well, I don't want to like, this is all I got.

00:28:11.500 Like, this is all I got with my dad.

00:28:12.460 Like, I'm not going to give it away, but I don't really want it in my house.

00:28:15.200 So we didn't come to a conclusion.

00:28:16.580 So there it sits in my basement.

00:28:17.660 But when I brought it back in to my house, when I, when I, I'm from PA originally, I

00:28:22.660 shipped it from PA and the, uh, I started, I was starting to write this book and I

00:28:28.120 started to have these nightmares of like really gory visions.

00:28:31.040 And, and then around this time I read the Adam go rightly book.

00:28:34.840 And I was just like, dude, I'm tapping out.

00:28:36.300 I'm done with this stuff.

00:28:37.300 So it has weird mojo to it.

00:28:39.740 And that's, I think the Charles Manson story, it plugs into so many conspiracies.

00:28:44.800 And it was fascinating to read chaos because Tom O'Neill basically exposes all of these

00:28:53.100 conspiracies for what was really going on.

00:28:55.060 And I believe Tom O'Neill and Tom O'Neill, he, he stops short of saying like, this is

00:29:01.120 it.

00:29:01.320 This is what happened.

00:29:02.640 Charles Manson was MK altered, but he presents it in a way that I'm like, dude, that's exactly 0.73

00:29:07.900 what happened.

00:29:08.460 What are we talking about?

00:29:09.360 And, and he punches big holes in Vincent Bugliosi's, uh, Helter Skelter theory that

00:29:16.080 like you, you, when I read the book, I walked away from it saying, holy crap, everything I

00:29:20.820 learned about this whole thing was a lie.

00:29:22.580 And, um, you know, call me a conspiracy theorist, but, uh, I'm, I was all in on it.

00:29:27.280 So when I saw the, uh, uh, you know, Tom O'Neill went on Joe Rogan a few years back,

00:29:32.860 I listened to that.

00:29:33.940 And even with that, I was like, I mean, they only have two, three hours to talk.

00:29:38.520 And I was like, God, I didn't even scratch the surface.

00:29:40.660 Like I wanted more.

00:29:41.820 And then I saw they were doing a Netflix and that finally comes out and it was only 90 minutes

00:29:46.120 or whatever.

00:29:46.560 And I was like, oh man, how did Netflix do?

00:29:49.220 Was it, was it like damage control or was it real?

00:29:51.780 No, it was from what I remember.

00:29:53.800 I read the book maybe, I don't know, six years ago now, seven.

00:29:57.060 And it, I don't, it didn't pull out all of the nuances of the people he caught in lies

00:30:06.460 like Bugliosi.

00:30:08.220 And I think Terry Melcher, even I don't, I don't remember the details, but there was a,

00:30:12.280 there was a lot of stuff that just was like, dude, these guys knew what was going on.

00:30:17.120 But they did pull out the good parts of the MK ultra project chaos stuff.

00:30:21.040 They did pretty good on that from what I recall.

00:30:22.920 But even, even with that, I, I, I watched it and I thought, man, I got to do a, I got 0.99

00:30:28.640 to reread this damn book, you know? 0.65

00:30:30.800 Cause I, when I read it, I took a couple notes, but then I switched over to the audible 1.00

00:30:35.440 cause I was like doing stuff. 0.93

00:30:37.640 And so now it's like, I got to sit down and read this big ass book again. 0.74

00:30:41.760 Cause I know that there's more to it that that's not being sort of related to the public 0.67

00:30:45.820 is fascinating.

00:30:48.340 But anyway, I got on the Charles Manson thing.

00:30:51.140 Well, we were talking about your church.

00:30:53.480 Oh yeah.

00:30:53.980 Yeah.

00:30:54.140 No church.

00:30:54.960 Yeah.

00:30:55.240 Yeah.

00:30:55.820 Yeah.

00:30:56.240 Charles Manson's church.

00:30:57.300 No, I didn't go to the same one.

00:30:58.520 He was from West Virginia.

00:30:59.300 I was from PA.

00:31:00.320 And anyway, so I, I, I, in my first book I wrote in 2012, I presented this as, cause I

00:31:06.980 was going to a grad school at the time, which I was in a very much a sort of academic state

00:31:11.700 of mind.

00:31:12.360 I was really into philosophy at the time. 1.00

00:31:14.100 So I presented the book and the theories as a sort of academia for idiots like me. 0.99

00:31:21.220 And I was kind of like, look, here's the deal. 1.00

00:31:23.720 I've got these biases.

00:31:25.220 I am a Christian.

00:31:26.440 I got baptized Orthodox Christian, uh, Greek Orthodox Christian in 2003.

00:31:31.780 And I like Orthodoxy the most just to add, I'm an ortho bro, uh, because it has a more

00:31:37.780 mystical leaning, which I think is more on the nose than a lot of these sort of like rock

00:31:42.600 band churches.

00:31:43.200 Right.

00:31:43.600 And I'm not condemning that.

00:31:44.840 I think everyone likes their religion in a certain flavor.

00:31:49.240 And, um, but I'd agree.

00:31:52.380 I think I'd agree.

00:31:53.260 As you can say, say exactly what you think here, man.

00:31:55.100 Um, because, uh, this, this, uh, podcast is very, uh, it's not like against the church,

00:32:00.060 but I grew up in the church.

00:32:01.700 So we can, I can uniquely speak to the fact that how I I've, I've learned almost zero,

00:32:08.840 uh, of like spirituality from the church.

00:32:12.600 Or like this, like weird esoteric knowledge that is within the Bible.

00:32:15.600 And now that I'm rereading it and looking at it through this biblical lens life and, uh,

00:32:20.740 just everything around me makes a lot more sense.

00:32:22.460 And shout out to Tony Merkel being one of the people that like, kind of like kick that

00:32:26.920 door wide open for me.

00:32:28.000 But obviously Christian Orthodoxy, like, uh, people like Jay Dyer and yourself and, uh,

00:32:33.400 Buck Johnson and other guys like that kind of shown me like this different angle of,

00:32:37.900 uh, what, what this religion is or what it was meant to be.

00:32:41.440 I think, yeah, totally.

00:32:42.940 And, and, um, I, I, as I talked about in the first book, I, I've always had this healthy

00:32:50.100 skepticism, I'd like to say of religion itself and Christianity for that matter.

00:32:54.860 Uh, I would know, I've got lots of friends that are atheists that are agnostic that are

00:33:01.280 better human beings than a lot of the Christians I know. 1.00

00:33:03.740 So like, I don't think, Oh yeah, I'm Christian and I'm right.

00:33:06.440 And I'm the good guy and you're all the bad guys.

00:33:08.240 Like a lot of people will get into that, especially in the truth of community.

00:33:10.460 It's like a weird, it's this weird mix of these like hardcore Christians that like 1.00

00:33:15.100 want the whole world to be Christian nationalists. 0.52

00:33:17.040 And I'm like, bro, like that ain't right either.

00:33:18.840 So, um, I, I can be, I could, I can hold discussions on either side of that angle, but my personal

00:33:24.500 beliefs is in, uh, uh, Orthodox Christianity.

00:33:28.300 Maybe that's like a, what they call it, Pascal's wager kind of thing.

00:33:31.400 I don't know, but I, but I think it, it, I choose that path because I, I, I've also, as

00:33:38.920 you guys probably know, I'm like super interested in really dark stuff, uh, really nihilistic

00:33:43.440 entertainment my whole life.

00:33:44.540 Uh, Stanley Kubrick and, um, I'm, I'm watching videos about satanic Nazi child murdering groups

00:33:51.880 right now.

00:33:52.360 And it's like really dark, you know, but, uh, I'm really, I'm really intrigued by it.

00:33:56.140 I'm not, I'm not interested in it.

00:33:57.320 I'm just intrigued like with the dark side of humanity for sure.

00:34:00.980 Hence my, you know, Danzig shirt, right?

00:34:03.120 What we were talking about, but the, um, the, um, we were talking about Christianity.

00:34:09.600 We're talking about the nine.

00:34:10.960 The nine.

00:34:11.900 Oh yeah.

00:34:12.360 Okay.

00:34:12.580 So if you go to, I, I, I'm, I'm conflicted on what to believe with the non-human intelligences. 1.00

00:34:19.580 I believe they exist for sure.

00:34:20.960 I used to do ghost hunting back in 99 and that's one of the things that opened my eyes

00:34:25.680 up to like the other side and a lot of weird stuff happened to me after that.

00:34:30.800 And I was like, okay, I'm not messing with that no more.

00:34:32.440 And then the, when you, when you, when you look at father, Terafim Rose's book, orthodoxy

00:34:38.400 and the religion of the future that he wrote in like the sixties, uh, he, he now exactly

00:34:44.240 everything that's going on today.

00:34:45.400 He, he was like one of these OGs that was like pop culture, entertainment, star Trek, like

00:34:50.720 this is gonna, this is going to lead us all into hell, you know?

00:34:53.640 And he, he was talking about how it's going to open us up to new age schools of thought

00:34:57.840 and facilitate sort of this belief in aliens.

00:35:00.980 And, and now it's the global religion and that's how they basically distill, cause, cause

00:35:07.000 he was really against like ecumenicism and this idea that, that, um, a lot of churches

00:35:13.480 will be open to the idea of welcoming other religions and saying, well, yeah, we all, and

00:35:21.640 you'll hear this a lot.

00:35:22.280 A lot of people are like, well, I'm not religious.

00:35:23.540 I'm spiritual.

00:35:24.000 And I believe there's a higher power and every, every religion has a different perspective

00:35:28.200 and it's all the same truth.

00:35:30.140 And in, in the sort of old school Orthodox, like they're like, hell no, like you guys are 1.00

00:35:35.120 all lying heretics and you're burning in hell, you know? 0.98

00:35:37.360 And, and, and it's kind of weird because that that's kind of how Serafim Rose views it. 0.94

00:35:43.240 And he says, look, we start opening up this perspective of saying like, oh yeah, the Catholics

00:35:47.140 are a little right.

00:35:47.800 The Protestants are a little right. 1.00

00:35:49.320 The Jews are a little right. 1.00

00:35:50.480 The Muslims are a little right. 1.00

00:35:51.360 Like we open that up.

00:35:52.240 And what it does is it dilutes the true faith of orthodoxy, um, into oblivion so that Satan

00:36:00.700 gets what he wants in the end, regardless of how this looks, he doesn't really care how

00:36:04.140 it happens.

00:36:04.800 Just wants to get it rid of Christianity, which one of the elements that sort of bolsters 1.00

00:36:09.860 my Christian faith is when you read into the occult and Alistair Crowley and Jack Parsons

00:36:13.980 and Helena Blavatsky and all these people, every single one of them, every single one of

00:36:19.320 them, their main beef is with Christianity.

00:36:20.920 It ain't, it ain't necessarily all religions.

00:36:23.500 I mean, they got, they don't like any religion, but the one that they really gets them in their 0.71

00:36:27.460 gall is that one.

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00:36:46.600 I do, because I do believe in my experience with ghost hunting.

00:36:52.060 I do believe in entities and such.

00:36:54.140 I think that you could have benevolent or malevolent beings, right?

00:36:58.560 I think it's like angels and demons in the Orthodox church. 0.96

00:37:02.080 We, we will pray to saints for various things.

00:37:04.900 And I was talking, who's I talking to?

00:37:06.820 I was talking to someone the other day about this and they were like, yeah, that's kind

00:37:09.280 of like the, the pagan pantheon of gods.

00:37:11.860 Like you would pray to, you know, Apollo for healing or whatever.

00:37:15.220 And I was like, ah, yeah, kind of, maybe.

00:37:17.800 But the, um, the, the, the idea is that there is communication to be had with entities in

00:37:25.700 some other dimension, some other realm.

00:37:27.780 And I do think that it could be positive or negative.

00:37:30.940 Uh, I don't, we were taught, like, we don't have the discernment to know.

00:37:35.160 So in the Orthodox or Christian perspective, I guess would be just don't talk to them because 1.00

00:37:40.820 you don't know what you're talking to.

00:37:42.120 And I get that.

00:37:44.200 Um, but I also, like, I talked to Ryan blood.

00:37:46.480 So, and his father got healed by aliens, you know, Chris blood.

00:37:49.620 So how do you explain that?

00:37:51.780 I don't know.

00:37:52.220 Like, I don't, doesn't seem demonic to me, but the Bible does say that you can, you can

00:37:57.420 specifically test the spirits because, uh, I think that generally, yeah.

00:38:01.860 On the other side of this weird spiritual realm, there's like underside of the tapestry that

00:38:05.640 we live on. 0.92

00:38:06.540 There's a lot of weird shit going on and things that we don't understand and can't explain. 0.99

00:38:10.340 So like we, on this show, we have a little bit of a gripe with Joe Rogan where he's like, 0.99

00:38:14.920 you know, yeah, just go in the float tank, do the DMT.

00:38:17.380 It's like, it's totally cool.

00:38:18.340 It's like, you're sending people into a realm that they, they don't really know how to traverse

00:38:23.420 through with zero experience and zero, uh, spiritual knowledge of it.

00:38:29.460 So like, you gotta be really careful with that, but there's certainly things on that

00:38:33.160 other side that are not, uh, completely evil.

00:38:35.920 There are angels.

00:38:36.760 There are like, you know, I think the Bible does say that we have, like, there are angels

00:38:41.120 that are around us that are with us, but, uh, there's also fallen angels.

00:38:45.560 Then there's also Nephilim.

00:38:47.160 There's also, you know, uh, uh, uh, gibberim.

00:38:50.380 There's also rough. 1.00

00:38:51.020 I mean, there's a whole bunch of shit going on there. 0.99

00:38:52.860 So if we don't know what's going on, I wouldn't suggest, uh, peeking into that realm. 0.99

00:38:58.020 At least if you're not like ready for that sort of battle.

00:39:00.400 Uh, let me ask you this, Isaac, and, and I want your genuine opinion, uh, and it's totally

00:39:05.460 fine to tell me if I'm reaching, I do it quite often, but when it comes to, um, the spiritual

00:39:11.660 realm and how we're kind of revisiting it, right?

00:39:14.540 Like top saying, like you have these John C.

00:39:16.920 Lily dolphin jerking off, uh, sensory deprivation tanks that Rogan is promoting.

00:39:22.880 And certainly the DMT and ayahuasca, uh, phenomenon, I call it a phenomenon because

00:39:28.440 after Rogan's podcast, it exploded.

00:39:30.080 Now there's a never ending chain of white people going to the Amazon forest to go drink 1.00

00:39:33.680 vines.

00:39:34.060 And, uh, he's popularized a lot of things that have spiritual principles at their

00:39:38.660 core, but he is almost in a way presenting them in a utilitarian aspect and not necessarily

00:39:44.260 a, a spiritual one.

00:39:45.680 Right.

00:39:46.340 And so sometimes I think that what's happened here is we've had our understanding of the

00:39:51.640 spiritual realm removed to such a degree that we don't even perceive it.

00:39:56.860 Right.

00:39:57.300 Especially in the West, it's like, um, it's, it's considered pseudoscience to even engage

00:40:02.800 with the ideas.

00:40:03.860 And, uh, and many people can successfully go their entire lives.

00:40:07.820 You might have little experiences that you can't explain, but society is set up in such

00:40:12.840 a way that it's very easy to leave those to the side and continue working your nine to

00:40:16.700 five grind.

00:40:17.360 So there's a lot of people that have zero awareness of it whatsoever.

00:40:20.900 I almost feel like that's been on purpose.

00:40:24.480 And, and the reason it was on purpose is because they had to rebrand and sell us something totally

00:40:30.600 new as, as to an explanation as to what ETs or aliens are and what these entities are

00:40:36.560 and what the spiritual realm is.

00:40:38.080 So you remove our awareness of it entirely, and then you repackage it.

00:40:41.680 You give it to us in the new age movement, which is very much kind of the old age movement,

00:40:45.320 right?

00:40:45.580 It's almost unfair to call it the new age.

00:40:47.300 These principles and ideas and concepts are age old.

00:40:51.460 And then what you do is you use a lot of captured institutions like a NASA, maybe, right?

00:40:57.340 That's created by a Warner Von Braun.

00:40:59.060 He's a Nazi scientist from operate operation paperclip. 0.87

00:41:01.840 And you look at the way that NASA plays in with guys like L.

00:41:05.560 Ron Hubbard, Alistair Crowley, Jack Parsons, right?

00:41:07.900 Who's working at jet propulsion laboratories.

00:41:10.580 That's fascinating on its own.

00:41:12.280 But then you look at another captured institution like Hollywood and Hollywood is engineering for

00:41:17.300 the most part, all of our concepts or ideas about what these ETs are.

00:41:23.260 And we're given this thing that's like, in some ways, they're going to potentially show up and destroy us,

00:41:28.800 you know, kind of like the day the Earth stood still or something.

00:41:32.780 But in other ways, they're here to intervene on our behalf for our benefit.

00:41:38.260 And then goes back to that narrative that we were talking about, the spiritual ascension and the protecting our planet from whatever's coming or maybe even escaping this calamity.

00:41:46.860 And it almost looks to me, Isaac, that we've gotten to a place where we're at the climax of a really long psychological operation to rebrand what aliens are and to rebrand the spiritual realm.

00:42:01.420 But just like any other realm, like, like, you know, Top was alluding to, we don't know what's in there.

00:42:06.500 So if you go in the ocean, you know that there's things that are cool.

00:42:09.740 Sea turtles are dope, you know, make sure that they don't have straws in their noses, make sure that they're not getting strangled by six pack plastics.

00:42:16.860 And there's all kinds of other, but stay away from sharks.

00:42:19.820 They're very dangerous.

00:42:21.380 Same thing with the woods, you know, cool animals, but don't go near the bear with their cubs.

00:42:26.840 We don't have that with the spiritual realm.

00:42:28.360 And my problem with that is that whatever resides there is potentially ancient and incredibly deceitful.

00:42:35.320 So you're talking about like a dude that was healed by that.

00:42:38.040 And I don't know what to make of that.

00:42:39.540 But I just know that it seems the MO is oftentimes like give us truths, give us good things, but embed within it a fundamental lie.

00:42:48.100 So like the idea that these things can't present as one thing, Lucifer presents as an angel of light, and then actually be something totally different seems pretty reasonable to me.

00:42:58.360 But am I just lumping a bunch of disjointed things that don't belong together, together?

00:43:05.000 I think you put it together pretty well there.

00:43:07.120 It's one of those conundrums of trying to figure that out.

00:43:09.740 And to sort of respond, the first idea you were talking about was kind of Joe Rogan selling float tanks and DMT experiences and things.

00:43:22.780 And you'll notice that I'm studying accelerationalism right now, and it leans heavily into this current state of the world affairs at the moment, because Silicon Valley is pushing for this.

00:43:38.540 And I'm trying to understand what they want and what they're doing.

00:43:41.420 And it has to do with their belief, and they're like atheists, obviously, right?

00:43:47.920 And they think that capitalism is best left unchecked, and we might as well just accelerate it instead of trying to slow down and worrying about sea turtles with straws in their noses.

00:44:00.240 Because they're like, no, just this beast is out of the box.

00:44:03.360 Let's just do this thing.

00:44:05.180 And what that leads to is the singularity, because that's what they want to bring about.

00:44:10.500 You know, this is the argument.

00:44:12.920 Again, this goes back to the whole digital matrix thing and how the nerds want to put us in the matrix, because that's where they can prove to their AI gods that they were on their team the whole time and they wanted to fuel it along. 0.77

00:44:29.860 But anyways, before we go into that, the idea is, to me, like our brains, I read Joe Dispenza's book, what was it, some new age psychobabble bullshit, but it works.

00:44:48.080 It's like quantum thinking, right?

00:44:49.760 And it's how to change your mind. 0.99

00:44:50.860 What a great sentence, some new age psychobabble bullshit, but it works. 0.98

00:44:54.980 But it works. 0.92

00:44:55.800 It totally works, because I've struggled with anxiety and depression my whole life, and a lot of those new age concepts really help.

00:45:04.720 And in the book that I read, he was talking about this idea, like your brain is a filter, right?

00:45:12.520 And you program it, and you program it to look for certain truths and things.

00:45:17.680 And there's some percentage of your day of experiences and senses that come in that your brain just strips out.

00:45:23.360 And it's just looking for, like, the thing that you want to look for.

00:45:27.900 So if you're an atheist who doesn't believe in God and you're convinced that aliens exist, well, if you have a float tank experience or a hallucinogenic trip or psychedelics, you'll probably see something that supports that worldview, right?

00:45:45.300 And that's kind of – I don't know what to think about Joe Rogan.

00:45:50.200 I'm sure we'll talk about him some more.

00:45:52.880 Like I said on my other podcast, I have a very toxic relationship with Joe Rogan that he has no idea about.

00:45:58.860 Me too, bro.

00:46:00.600 I really love him.

00:46:02.200 I love Joe.

00:46:03.480 I know.

00:46:03.960 Same.

00:46:04.280 I mentioned him in my first book.

00:46:06.760 I mentioned, like, 10 people that I was like, these are the thought leaders that I adhere to and listen to, and I think everyone should pay attention to these guys.

00:46:15.340 And he was one of them.

00:46:16.160 And I was like, bro, what are we doing?

00:46:18.440 You totally sold out is, like, how I feel currently.

00:46:21.400 But I could be talked out of that.

00:46:24.040 Yeah, I go through weird delusions of, like, okay, if Joe Rogan invited me on his podcast, here's what I'm going to say to him. 0.99

00:46:30.560 Like, this motherfucker doesn't know I exist. 0.99

00:46:32.540 Are we sharing the same brain, dude? 1.00

00:46:34.600 That is literally, like, half the battle.

00:46:36.360 It's like, I love this dude.

00:46:37.460 He seems like a solid dude.

00:46:38.620 One of my favorite content creators.

00:46:40.180 But I would give him an earful about making us get in the float tanks.

00:46:43.960 Half the episode would be like, we're talking about UFC. 0.99

00:46:46.600 The other half would be like, what the fuck are you up to? 0.98

00:46:48.420 Like, why are you pushing DMT? 0.99

00:46:49.880 What are you doing?

00:46:51.100 It brings me to this thing about one of your previous episodes on your show with your wife, right?

00:46:56.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:57.800 She's a divisive lady. 1.00

00:46:59.220 People love her.

00:47:00.000 They hate her.

00:47:00.520 There's no in between.

00:47:01.240 I mean, she's a good content creator then.

00:47:03.800 She's an outspoken, I don't want to say feminist because that's too loaded of a term. 1.00

00:47:09.520 But she's an outspoken, strong Greek woman. 0.99

00:47:12.080 And a lot of people, especially in the truth community, are not, like, trying to hear that shit. 0.99

00:47:16.980 So we get a lot of feedback for sure. 0.99

00:47:19.480 So anyway, go ahead.

00:47:20.240 Thanks for listening, by the way.

00:47:21.840 That's a winning success.

00:47:22.840 Absolutely.

00:47:23.140 But yeah, you guys touched on Rogan and Ian Carroll.

00:47:26.900 And so just like, if you could break that down for us, what do you think?

00:47:29.440 Because I've got a lot of thoughts about that.

00:47:31.560 People are saying he's a gatekeeper.

00:47:33.460 I would agree because it's like, he's had Sam Tripoli on a number of times.

00:47:38.720 And he's had him on recently, I think twice in the last year or so.

00:47:43.200 But there's only so much that he'll allow him to explore without him pushing back.

00:47:47.420 And that Ian Carroll episode was kind of like free reign on the Jewish stuff. 0.96

00:47:52.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:47:53.220 Oh, I didn't know about that. 1.00

00:47:54.180 I was like, you know about that shit, Joe. 0.99

00:47:55.500 But now is the time to introduce the rhetoric. 0.99

00:47:59.060 And I'm just like, why now?

00:48:00.280 What are you getting at?

00:48:01.360 And very suspicious of you.

00:48:04.180 Joe's funny, right?

00:48:05.260 Because I'm with you guys.

00:48:06.860 Like, I don't listen to every episode.

00:48:08.900 I listen to certain ones.

00:48:09.920 Like, I'll listen to Sam Tripoli, of course.

00:48:11.880 And the Ian Carroll one. 0.92

00:48:13.520 And he's always like, I respect that he kind of plays dumb so that he can get the guy to talk. 0.95

00:48:21.440 Like, I get that. 0.95

00:48:22.040 Like, you can't just have a joke or probably fill up three hours twice a week with his thoughts, I bet.

00:48:26.360 Because he knows a lot of stuff.

00:48:28.340 But yeah, I do the whole Ian Carroll thing.

00:48:32.660 I don't know what because Ian Carroll hit my radar right at the beginning of his rollout in May of 2023.

00:48:40.300 Oh, right before he became the biggest conspiracy content creator on the planet, which is amazing.

00:48:46.640 And look, I'm going to preface this in case in case he or his fan base is listening.

00:48:50.420 The jury is out for me.

00:48:53.100 I want to have a conversation with the man to get a better vibe to because he's very intelligent, speaks well. 1.00

00:49:01.380 He knows his shit. 0.99

00:49:02.320 Like, he's a very good researcher, which lends itself to like maybe he just deserves to blow up out of nowhere. 1.00

00:49:08.100 And the countless other truthers I've followed since 2009 don't deserve it. 0.99

00:49:13.040 I mean, he does do a good job of presenting it, right?

00:49:15.540 And he is a likable character.

00:49:17.020 And so I don't want to say that it's a total mystery to me.

00:49:21.620 I recognize him as a quality content creator.

00:49:24.900 He is and he's compelling to listen to.

00:49:26.600 I've got his information in a good way.

00:49:28.720 I've got a weird bias with him because I was able to talk with him.

00:49:31.680 I'm friends with the redheaded libertarian, the girl Josie, and she does Twitter spaces that are usually really big.

00:49:38.140 She had him on and she's like, I don't really know anything about conspiracy.

00:49:41.540 You want to hop on top?

00:49:42.460 And I was like, sure.

00:49:43.700 So I was there and I was able to like insert this.

00:49:47.240 At the time, we were big into the Genesis 6 narrative, the Nephilim and stuff like that.

00:49:51.540 And that leads into some weird spirituality stuff.

00:49:54.260 And he was getting into there like he was just touching it, but not understanding.

00:49:57.700 And I'm like picking up from him as I'm talking with him.

00:50:00.640 I'm like, he understands like a lot of the surface level stuff.

00:50:03.720 So I just presented it to him and he gave me like a pretty satisfactory.

00:50:07.900 He's like, I've never heard of that.

00:50:09.440 That's actually kind of fascinating.

00:50:10.940 And I'm going to look into it. 0.99

00:50:12.320 And then lo and behold, he's on Rogan and he kind of gets into this alien shit with like he's like aliens might be demons. 0.98

00:50:17.800 And I was like, like, good on him for like, first off, not saying I don't know. 0.98

00:50:21.700 But then I guess he did some more research and then kind of presented it briefly.

00:50:25.620 And he got away from it quick.

00:50:27.380 But I was like, so I'm like, all right, I don't know.

00:50:29.200 I still don't know where to put this guy.

00:50:30.760 His explosion to success was unusual.

00:50:34.860 I get his content is good, but it just doesn't happen that way.

00:50:38.060 So I don't I have no idea.

00:50:39.600 But I think he's a little open minded.

00:50:41.760 I would say my concern with him isn't so much his rise to success as much as it is his role that he's playing in a narrative that I'm watching unfold.

00:50:52.860 And it was very timely and very odd that he would have played the role.

00:50:57.780 And so I'm I'm sat back to ask the question, is Ian Carroll moving in a calculated way or are we all moved in ways that we don't feel or understand by a spiritual agenda?

00:51:10.760 You know, it just kind of seems that way sometimes.

00:51:13.280 But I'd love to get your thoughts on it.

00:51:14.700 Yeah.

00:51:15.260 So you'll you'll have to you'll have to listen to I'm working on this massive, I don't know, three, four, maybe five episodes on the dark enlightenment.

00:51:25.320 And it honestly all the pieces of everything I've ever researched falls into it and in the state of the affairs of the world today.

00:51:35.580 Massive topic.

00:51:36.500 But anyway, so stay everyone stay subscribed for that.

00:51:39.420 OK, because that one's going to I'm I'm probably launching part one, hopefully this weekend, if I can find time to get it down and recorded.

00:51:46.360 Isn't it so daunting, Isaac, you want to like do this information justice.

00:51:49.540 You want to present it the right way.

00:51:50.780 You know, you've got like a couple of shots at doing it the right way and you better not flub.

00:51:55.100 We're a big one, too. 0.99

00:51:56.560 And it's just like, what the fuck do we do? 0.93

00:51:58.180 It's like, when do we present this? 1.00

00:52:00.060 And the and this the shit part is the news cycle changes so fast. 0.96

00:52:05.060 Yeah, that you'll because to do it justice, you got to research a good amount, read a couple books, maybe get a podcast interview in, read some interviews. 0.98

00:52:13.100 And then by the time you like get all your notes down and record it and publish it, it's like a week goes by.

00:52:18.100 And all of a sudden, some other insane thing happened and no one cares anymore.

00:52:22.560 And it's like, dude, yeah, like I don't want to.

00:52:24.900 Anyway, the the social media game is annoying because it ruined everything because now it's you.

00:52:31.820 You're better suited to just splat out some BS.

00:52:35.620 That's yes.

00:52:36.200 60 seconds and make it flashy.

00:52:38.120 And you're way further off.

00:52:40.100 And you're like, wow, this guy knows his stuff.

00:52:41.660 And I'm like, guess who recognizes that?

00:52:43.300 He and Carol. 0.99

00:52:44.100 He and Carol fucking mastered it. 0.99

00:52:45.840 This is why I can't I can't hate him because I'm looking at him like you do it good. 0.99

00:52:49.880 This is a very low form of entertainment.

00:52:52.200 And you know what?

00:52:52.900 I'm just going to say a previous guest that we had on. 1.00

00:52:55.640 Fuck him. 0.99

00:52:56.760 He's like he's a huge following. 1.00

00:52:59.620 They like whatever, like some what would you call them?

00:53:02.980 Like one of his producer chains or whatever.

00:53:05.080 They're like, oh, put him on.

00:53:06.100 He's great.

00:53:06.580 He had really nothing to say.

00:53:07.820 Like this is a long form content.

00:53:09.840 And then emailed us after asking us to edit the episode.

00:53:12.880 I was like, absolutely not. 1.00

00:53:14.080 Fuck you. 1.00

00:53:14.440 This is an egg, David. 1.00

00:53:15.560 I have a huge egg.

00:53:16.380 Whoa, where'd you get that egg, dude?

00:53:17.520 That's a nice egg.

00:53:18.240 I don't have any goose egg.

00:53:19.660 Got any eggs, Isaac?

00:53:21.680 No, I was studying the eggs from the from the Jake Barber UFO.

00:53:29.380 Yes, that's good.

00:53:30.380 You've been right there in Egg City with me.

00:53:31.900 I've been going balls deep on like the Orphic egg. 0.95

00:53:33.900 And just explain because it's just as and I came out the other end and I was like, it's

00:53:37.840 a symbol that's associated.

00:53:38.940 David, David, we're getting getting very distracted.

00:53:41.360 Yes, yes, yes.

00:53:41.920 OK, please, Isaac.

00:53:42.840 Don't do that to me.

00:53:43.840 Don't talk about eggs, even though I brought it up.

00:53:45.960 Let's talk about Ian because I'm a big I'm a big hater, right?

00:53:48.640 There's a part of a big hater. 1.00

00:53:50.840 And I'm like, man, this is some bullshit. 0.99

00:53:54.160 This guy shows up and in two and here's here's here's where I've said my niceties and been 0.99

00:54:00.160 like, hey, he's intelligent.

00:54:01.500 He makes great content.

00:54:02.480 And like, maybe that's what happened. 0.99

00:54:03.900 Time to shit on him. 0.99

00:54:05.100 Time to shit on the man because early in his rollout, I saw his videos where he was going 1.00

00:54:11.520 through the grocery store aisles. 1.00

00:54:12.640 He's like, OK, all these companies, it's one company owns it.

00:54:16.500 And BlackRock and I forget who the other boogeyman is.

00:54:20.520 He picks on like BlackRock and Front Street own 90 percent of the stock or whatever. 0.97

00:54:25.340 And his whole point was like, this is like a capitalism bullshit that, you know, it's just 0.96

00:54:32.360 one big mega corporation that owns all this stuff in their choice. 0.98

00:54:35.660 Yeah.

00:54:35.940 And it fits into all of these things that I've studied over the years with Edward Bernays

00:54:39.140 and propaganda and all this stuff.

00:54:41.300 I'm like, all right, cool, man.

00:54:42.220 I like this, dude.

00:54:43.400 And, you know, he was doing those videos.

00:54:45.000 And I think his first video ever was like one about BlackRock or yeah, BlackRock.

00:54:50.700 And and I was like, I'm very like if you wanted to pull out my most rational conspiracies

00:54:58.660 of the world, to me, the most rational one that anyone can kind of get on board with is

00:55:04.080 the idea of mega corporations and the wealthy billionaires trying to sort of like suppress

00:55:10.220 society as slaves.

00:55:11.700 OK, and I get that that was like a sort of left.

00:55:16.820 What do you call it?

00:55:17.580 Like a leftist, classical, liberal perspective.

00:55:20.640 But that's kind of how I grew up.

00:55:22.680 And the 90s and 2000s was kind of being more on the left side of the spectrum.

00:55:27.880 But I'm a moderate, right?

00:55:28.980 I'm a moderate leftist.

00:55:30.440 There's some conservative values I hold.

00:55:32.200 I was active duty Air Force ammo troop.

00:55:35.860 I support a lot of sort of conservative ideas. 0.84

00:55:40.920 So I'm not like this insane purple hair communist leftist. 0.63

00:55:44.340 Right. 0.91

00:55:45.000 Which I think is a total distraction and destroys the whole argument.

00:55:48.360 And like, for instance, I like a lot of stuff that Bernie Sanders says.

00:55:52.680 I free college for everyone.

00:55:54.360 I don't know about that, dude.

00:55:55.560 But like whatever, man, like I at least appreciate the idea that like we need to bolster the middle

00:56:00.340 class unions, all that bull bull crap, whatever. 0.63

00:56:03.420 Um, so that appealed to me. 0.99

00:56:07.600 That appealed to me.

00:56:08.480 The sort of Bernie bro in me was like, I like that.

00:56:10.620 This guy's pointing out all these awful mega corporations ruining our world and lying to

00:56:15.800 us.

00:56:16.580 And next thing I know, he's like, God, I don't even I don't know how many followers he had

00:56:21.180 at the time.

00:56:21.580 It was a lot.

00:56:22.100 Right.

00:56:22.780 And he I think he said in an interview when he was on tinfoil hat, he was like, yeah,

00:56:26.620 within three months, I was accumulating a couple hundred thousand followers a month.

00:56:30.920 You know, so he was up to half a million within a couple of months, which is like off the

00:56:34.380 charts and saying, by the way, Isaac, during that time, he's talking about this like, you 0.89

00:56:38.260 know, Black Rock, State Street, all the shit umbrella companies that own everything. 0.94

00:56:41.820 And you're right. 0.97

00:56:42.780 That was hyper palatable for like, I don't want to say it's like a normie conspiracy

00:56:46.840 theory, but it's a it's a approachable excuse me, a conspiracy theory by an average

00:56:51.620 person.

00:56:51.980 And you then did watch that narrative blow up on social media.

00:56:55.820 And I saw it happen independent of him.

00:56:58.740 But now knowing the timing and everything, because he wasn't in the videos that I was

00:57:01.380 watching at the time.

00:57:02.460 But given the timing of it, I would say, yeah, he was massively impactful in in that

00:57:06.880 narrative.

00:57:07.300 Now, I don't know what came first.

00:57:08.480 Is it the chicken or the egg?

00:57:09.700 Did Ian Carroll bring that to the forefront of the there you go?

00:57:13.400 Thank you.

00:57:13.720 I knew that was good.

00:57:14.360 To the the general public's awareness, or was it an idea whose time was coming?

00:57:20.480 Because sometimes I think when you, you know, they have certain things in place, institutions

00:57:25.760 that are geared towards us, and then we start to see them and then they get ahead of the

00:57:29.740 ball and they go, yeah, yeah, look, it is here, right?

00:57:32.300 Because you kind of have to like, show your hand when it becomes too obvious.

00:57:35.860 And so you pick a person, right?

00:57:38.780 What's his name?

00:57:39.460 Albert Pike style.

00:57:40.580 And I think the reason the reason like we're a little sympathetic is because

00:57:43.900 we didn't, we're not like blowing up, but the reason we're sort of relevant at all is

00:57:48.540 because like the name Nephilim Death Squad, that happened right before Tucker Carlson started

00:57:53.180 talking about the Nephilim. 1.00

00:57:54.160 And then Roseanne said the same shit. 1.00

00:57:55.860 Then there's Nephilim in Miami. 0.99

00:57:57.740 And then, yeah, it's a cool name, dude.

00:58:00.520 You guys got a great name.

00:58:01.580 I mean, I wish I would have thought of that for like merch sales and stuff. 0.99

00:58:04.280 Like, damn, that's a killer name. 0.98

00:58:05.920 The merch is bananas, baby. 1.00

00:58:07.440 Top left.

00:58:08.840 But that's another thing, too, where like I do give these people some leeway because

00:58:13.860 the success that we had, I attribute it a lot to timing.

00:58:19.140 We were just in the right place at the right time with the right idea or the right, you

00:58:22.620 know, name, for example.

00:58:24.620 And I didn't do that.

00:58:26.300 And so it's like sometimes, you know, people talk about ideas being alive.

00:58:29.540 Maybe they come from a spiritual realm.

00:58:30.780 Sometimes I think our strings are being pulled in a way.

00:58:32.840 So, you know, with Ian Carroll, I don't know if that applies to him or not.

00:58:37.040 But yeah, I mean, around that time, I did watch the whole Black Rock State Street thing

00:58:40.380 blow up. 0.92

00:58:40.780 And I think that was Ian.

00:58:42.280 I just don't know if it was him or if it was time.

00:58:44.920 What the things that I think are sus about the guy and this is and I reached out to him

00:58:50.140 like within two months of me seeing his first video, I would say maybe he's less.

00:58:55.800 Maybe it's more than that.

00:58:56.620 Anyway, at some point in the first like sort of year of his blow up, I reached out to him

00:59:01.320 now on his I believe on his tick tock.

00:59:03.940 He had messages disabled on his Instagram.

00:59:08.260 It allowed me to message him.

00:59:10.760 And I sent him a message and I've got, you know, I don't know what I had at the time.

00:59:15.300 I probably currently I've got, I don't know, 82,000 subs on Instagram.

00:59:19.120 So it's not a small account, not verified, though, because I'm not giving them my personal

00:59:22.560 ID or nothing.

00:59:24.200 And.

00:59:24.400 So at the time, I probably had 70,000 and in his defense, maybe he didn't see it, right? 0.92

00:59:31.320 Like I get a lot of messages that go to like a hidden folder and my God damn it, you know,

00:59:34.740 like I didn't see this one at the time.

00:59:37.600 And then he had a he has a website that you can contact him.

00:59:40.880 And I I'm almost positive I did that as well.

00:59:44.060 And I give them my sales pitch.

00:59:45.760 I'm like, hey, my name is so-and-so.

00:59:47.620 I've been doing this is 2011.

00:59:49.040 I've got a podcast.

00:59:50.020 I can get X number of listeners to really try to appeal to people to be like,

00:59:54.400 do you want to come share your message?

00:59:55.940 And that was what I sent to him.

00:59:57.360 And it was crickets.

00:59:59.000 And I was like, that's really strange.

01:00:01.720 Yes.

01:00:02.340 Yes.

01:00:02.600 I know you don't want to say it, Isaac, because it's a it's a it's almost a way of tooting your

01:00:06.820 own horn.

01:00:07.260 But I do think in this from my perspective, you've been established in this sort of conspiracy

01:00:12.160 content creation community for a while.

01:00:14.600 So if you are stepping your foot into the arena and you seek to make that flavor of content,

01:00:19.720 building community is everything.

01:00:21.220 And if you really do care about the information, you want it to get out to people.

01:00:24.600 It's very strange, in my opinion, that he would have not.

01:00:27.240 Yes.

01:00:28.500 And I think, OK, this is because either he didn't get the message, which totally possible.

01:00:33.640 That's totally a possible scenario.

01:00:35.180 Or he had other plans.

01:00:37.460 And then I show he shows up on tinfoil hat, which, you know, God bless Sam and the fellas

01:00:42.400 love him.

01:00:44.260 And I was like, oh, wow, they got Ian Carroll right on.

01:00:47.380 But Sam's got a much larger show than mine.

01:00:49.620 And I thought, OK, I mean, maybe he's just like, dude, I'm only doing huge shows, which

01:00:53.040 is, again, when you're brand new to this space, you take whatever interview with whoever,

01:00:58.260 whenever they want. 0.82

01:00:59.400 Damn right. 0.95

01:00:59.920 Like, it's not my experience that he's had, apparently, a different experience than any 0.97

01:01:04.520 other person I've ever talked to in this space, which is a lot of frickin' people, OK?

01:01:09.000 And, but I still say, OK, maybe he just didn't see it.

01:01:12.240 That's fine.

01:01:12.920 So he goes on tinfoil on him.

01:01:13.880 OK, let me see who this guy is.

01:01:15.380 And Sam asked him in the first couple of minutes.

01:01:17.300 They have a conversation about, like, what's your background, dude?

01:01:20.900 Like, you think maybe, like, people look at you as a psyop?

01:01:25.220 And he was like, yeah, I would think that, too, if I, you know, I know this is a conspiracy

01:01:29.520 community, and I would think, wow, this guy came out of nowhere.

01:01:32.320 So, like, he's smart enough to know that, like, a lot of us think that's weird how this

01:01:36.920 guy shows up, and he's all over the place immediately.

01:01:39.820 Right.

01:01:40.260 And then on top of that, my experience and most of the people I know in this space, you

01:01:46.140 get canceled and community guy lined and torched over and over and over on social media and

01:01:53.560 all this stuff.

01:01:54.880 So, like, that's kind of strange to me, that he has been able to grow to an audience of

01:01:58.700 a million.

01:01:59.740 I mean, when I started my TikTok, I got, like, a few videos out.

01:02:05.680 Boom, it blows up.

01:02:06.620 I'm up to 20,000 followers.

01:02:08.020 I'm like, yes, here we go.

01:02:08.880 Let's go.

01:02:09.360 And then, boom, strike, strike, strike, strike, strike.

01:02:12.060 And it's just stalled, and it's dead, dead in the water.

01:02:14.280 I did that twice, OK?

01:02:15.680 We had to remove our entire catalog off of YouTube because we almost lost the entire

01:02:18.900 account.

01:02:19.800 Yeah, same.

01:02:20.360 I've been torched off of YouTube twice.

01:02:22.220 Like, they just, the gatekeepers do not let you get that size of following.

01:02:25.420 They just don't.

01:02:26.420 Yeah.

01:02:26.740 Well, let me tell you this.

01:02:28.800 OK, I'm going to play, you know, bad guy here.

01:02:31.980 And even though I do.

01:02:33.120 Before you go, David, in that episode of Tenfold Hat, NDS was name dropped for possibly being

01:02:38.400 feds or ops, which is very cool.

01:02:41.140 In that exact conversation.

01:02:42.720 It's the problem with this conspiracy world.

01:02:44.780 Like, we eat each other as quick as we possibly can.

01:02:47.940 Oh, no, dog.

01:02:48.500 If you tell me, are you a fed?

01:02:49.700 I'm going to tell people yes, because I just think it's a very good branding.

01:02:52.740 Yes, buy a t-shirt.

01:02:53.600 Thank you.

01:02:53.980 Uh, so, so, um, the reason if you were to get very conspiratorial, which I don't know

01:03:00.640 why we would do this on this show.

01:03:02.100 But if you were to think that way, you would say, um, talking to a person like you, or let's

01:03:07.880 say the other day, uh, we made an appearance on the Occult Rejects. 0.99

01:03:10.740 Um, within our community, there are people who know their shit to whatever degree, varying 0.99

01:03:17.560 degrees, certainly, but much more so than the average bear. 0.99

01:03:20.500 Uh, you cannot hide for a two hour conversation.

01:03:24.000 You simply can't.

01:03:25.400 So, uh, if Ian Carroll makes the rounds over and over again on these more niche ones, tinfoil

01:03:31.460 hats, great.

01:03:32.180 Uh, Sam lets you present something, but that's not everybody's MO.

01:03:35.920 You could easily hop on a show and have somebody stop you in your tracks and go, that's not

01:03:39.840 true at all.

01:03:40.700 That's not true at all, actually.

01:03:42.020 Or even worse, and this is something that happens to me because my, my field of interest

01:03:47.440 or knowledge is very, uh, wide, but very shallow.

01:03:50.740 That's just who I am.

01:03:51.800 I'm not a, uh, I'm not a learned man.

01:03:53.680 And, uh, and so, you know, if you are like me and you are trying to hide that, I don't hide

01:03:59.720 that at all. 1.00

01:04:00.300 You will be exposed for not knowing your shit, not having a depth of knowledge. 1.00

01:04:03.960 And that could derail your entire thing. 1.00

01:04:05.660 If you're meant to be this, uh, you know, disseminator of proof.

01:04:08.340 I don't think he, I don't think he rolls in the conspiracy realm.

01:04:11.980 He's a, he's like a conspiracy theorist, but like my friend, uh, well, our co-host Clint

01:04:16.520 Russell had him on his show and he has a much smaller following than, uh, well, at the time

01:04:21.780 he had a smaller following than you, but his show is political.

01:04:24.700 So that's really easy to do.

01:04:26.520 Like a political conversation is like, we can have these opinions.

01:04:29.920 I can form a right wing idea and kind of like stay over there.

01:04:33.220 I know what to think, but yeah, in the, in the conspiracy realm, like the show we did 0.97

01:04:36.680 yesterday with the cult rejects, there was like fucking nine people on this panel. 0.96

01:04:39.880 And I was like, I better keep my lies to a minimum because they're going to call me 0.98

01:04:45.280 out.

01:04:46.000 Lies. 0.99

01:04:46.960 Yeah, dude.

01:04:48.520 Yeah.

01:04:48.840 So it's like, it's a lot more and you know, they're, they're brutal. 1.00

01:04:52.160 They will fucking tell you like, that's a, that's bullshit. 1.00

01:04:54.920 I don't like this guy. 1.00

01:04:56.100 Or even if they don't, the audience will pick up on it.

01:04:58.940 And that's really what you don't want. 1.00

01:05:00.020 And it's one thing for a host of a show to say like, Hey, you don't know your shit. 0.98

01:05:02.780 It's another thing for the audience, you know, thousands of people to hear. 0.99

01:05:06.060 And that's that word spreads.

01:05:07.280 The next thing you know, it falls apart.

01:05:08.540 So I'm just saying, I can see that angle.

01:05:10.500 It's like only do the shows, you know, you're going to reach a big audience.

01:05:14.580 You know, you're going to help catapult you.

01:05:15.940 And also, you know, they're not going to give you a shit ton of pushback.

01:05:18.180 And that's one of the things God bless him that Sam does that I enjoy actually is he will 0.99

01:05:21.860 let you present your shit and give you minimal pushback. 0.99

01:05:25.080 It's got to be real egregious for, for Tripoli to go. 0.99

01:05:27.360 I don't know if that's the case, but far and few in between, he lets people talk.

01:05:31.580 Yeah, for sure.

01:05:32.080 And, and he, and he even asked him, he asked him about his background and wasn't a real

01:05:38.400 thorough answer.

01:05:39.260 Like, cause I, again, I'm like big old hater, paranoid guy.

01:05:42.580 Like how does this guy get bigger than me so fast?

01:05:45.280 You know?

01:05:45.680 And I'm like looking for it.

01:05:46.800 I'm like, well, that's weird.

01:05:47.540 And then, um, the couple of places I've seen him, even on Joe Rogan, he, I want to say

01:05:55.020 on Joe Rogan, he said something about how he was a teacher and I'm just like, I don't

01:05:59.660 know, dude, because when you get into the point where you're like full-time making content

01:06:04.380 and doing this kind of thing, you generally to get on shows and do podcasts and stuff,

01:06:10.360 you have to like have a podcast yourself, write a book, all this other stuff.

01:06:16.180 And, and I, I look at him and I think, how does he make his money?

01:06:20.660 I mean, it could just be literally TikTok money.

01:06:23.120 I don't know what TikTok money pays.

01:06:24.320 Cause I'm one of the lucrative, one of the many conspiracy people that gets snuffed before

01:06:28.680 I can even fly.

01:06:30.320 And I don't know.

01:06:32.480 It just seems weird.

01:06:33.260 Cause I'm, I'm trying to follow the money of like, what's this guy's angle?

01:06:35.760 Like, what's the inspiration for doing all this?

01:06:38.640 And like, why don't we hear, does he have a day job?

01:06:40.920 What did he do before he started doing this?

01:06:43.320 When did he quit the day job?

01:06:44.420 Did he quit a day job?

01:06:45.380 And then within a year of him showing up, he's in, he's hanging out with RFK jr.

01:06:51.160 And I'm like, what, what is this?

01:06:54.800 And then he's at these Republican conventions, giving speeches.

01:06:57.820 And then he's on Joe Rogan.

01:06:59.060 And I'm like, bro, this guy is such an op in my head.

01:07:02.620 Right.

01:07:03.260 And that's why I reached out to him.

01:07:05.200 And I even tagged him on someone tagged him on my Instagram post about this.

01:07:08.700 And it was like, dude, do this guy's show.

01:07:10.740 And I'm like, yes, please.

01:07:11.620 Like I will have a civil conversation.

01:07:12.880 I just want to know, like, let's put all of these conspiracies to rest.

01:07:16.380 Tell us like, like, what's your angle?

01:07:18.440 What's your motivation?

01:07:19.440 Why do you do this?

01:07:20.680 And because I've never really heard those things besides he was like, yeah.

01:07:24.740 What did he say?

01:07:25.360 He said he was like into a new age stuff.

01:07:28.060 And I don't know, he wants, I don't remember his story.

01:07:31.500 But anyway, I'll tell you what, Isaac, if we, if we do get him, because he follows me

01:07:35.800 on X, if we get him on here, open invitation, because I haven't feel that would be a fun

01:07:40.400 episode.

01:07:41.320 Have a little bit of everything.

01:07:43.180 Yeah.

01:07:43.320 Yeah.

01:07:43.580 And like the, there's a part, look, and again, I'll, I'll, I'll compliment sandwich Ian.

01:07:49.320 I think the guy's super intelligent.

01:07:51.120 He, he, he, he sat on Joe Rogan for almost three hours and he crushed it. 1.00

01:07:56.560 He's very handsome, very tall, probably has a big dick. 1.00

01:07:59.940 But we want to know, awesome mustache, real girly guy. 0.99

01:08:04.160 We just want to know why are you allowed to talk about, I think this is my question,

01:08:08.700 like whether he is, whatever he is, what he is, it's like, fine.

01:08:11.880 But you were talking about this Jewish narrative that is being moved into the ether.

01:08:17.200 And it's like, I was, I was part of that as well.

01:08:20.080 And I bring it up on the show.

01:08:21.160 A lot of the fans are probably gonna make fun of me, but like a couple of years ago, two

01:08:24.460 years ago, I made a joke about, it was a meme that you could be a anti-Semitic.

01:08:30.000 No, you could do adrenochrome or you can hate the J's. 1.00

01:08:32.260 And it's a picture of sleepy Joe Biden.

01:08:34.120 And then next to it's a picture of Mel Gibson.

01:08:36.080 And here's an egg for David to be distracted.

01:08:38.760 And Elon Musk answers me.

01:08:41.100 He goes, oh wow.

01:08:42.240 Mel Gibson's real Jack these days.

01:08:44.240 And it just blows up. 0.97

01:08:45.340 It's like fucking millions of views and people are like going crazy. 1.00

01:08:49.200 And at first I'm like, is Elon Musk, I thought I said, is he retarded? 1.00

01:08:52.060 Did he not see what I said?

01:08:53.380 No, he's not retarded. 0.99

01:08:54.220 Then I said, is he gay? 0.96

01:08:55.900 Possibly.

01:08:56.700 He's just looking at Mel Gibson's physique.

01:08:58.460 But no, a month later or two months later, you have the Kanye West thing come out the 0.99

01:09:02.760 first time when he goes on Infowars and he's wearing the mask talking about Hitler and shit 0.98

01:09:07.680 like that. 0.97

01:09:08.080 And then you have, after that is like this explosion of anti-Semitism on Twitter.

01:09:15.100 And now all of a sudden I'm like partially the brown face of white, the white nationalist

01:09:20.560 movement. 0.99

01:09:21.320 And I'm like, what the fuck just happened here? 0.97

01:09:23.360 Like I was number one making a joke, but I'm kind of also talking about this idea that's 0.94

01:09:27.700 not allowed to be talked about.

01:09:28.720 That's kind of like I'm massaging that into the ether.

01:09:31.060 But Elon Musk boosted it.

01:09:32.880 So I was like, oh, was this, was it time for this idea? 0.97

01:09:35.540 And it was just like a roll this ball along and I'm a useful idiot, which I think happened. 0.97

01:09:41.320 So now here we are after our second iteration of Kanye West being extremely, you know, hating 1.00

01:09:47.180 the Jews and shit like that. 0.99

01:09:48.120 Very funny. 1.00

01:09:48.860 Nice t-shirt as well.

01:09:50.060 But we have Ian Carroll who just kind of tips this over the edge.

01:09:53.980 In my opinion, I'm like what he did on Rogan was push that narrative where it's not ever

01:09:59.740 going away now.

01:10:00.900 Now we're going to have to deal with it.

01:10:03.120 They're like cultural conversation creators.

01:10:05.180 Like I've been watching the culture get engineered for a while.

01:10:09.840 So on January 20th, we had whatever we had.

01:10:12.800 I don't remember what it was, but it was just like the the Jew sentiment was reaching such

01:10:16.260 a critical mass that I kind of jokingly said it's time for Kanye West to reemerge.

01:10:21.980 And I said that on the 20th of this past January.

01:10:24.300 And then like two weeks later, he pops back up.

01:10:26.460 And what does he do?

01:10:27.200 He does exactly what I was kind of jokingly saying, which is these big influencers come

01:10:32.960 along and they move the cultural conversation in whatever direction they'd like.

01:10:37.120 And this one was suited for Kanye West.

01:10:39.760 And then sure enough, the dude comes out, takes out ad space on the Super Bowl, sells a swastika 0.93

01:10:44.300 shirt.

01:10:44.860 Like, I mean, it was a home run.

01:10:46.900 And to me, it doesn't do anything but solidify.

01:10:48.780 It's like, yeah, none of this is organic.

01:10:52.560 And maybe it starts as organic, but it quickly becomes co-opted.

01:10:55.360 And they pick your heroes and they put them in place.

01:10:58.980 It's, you know, that topic of the I mean, you guys said the term I don't I don't talk

01:11:03.860 about the the whole like.

01:11:06.760 Z I O N thing, I don't want to get you guys torched.

01:11:09.060 I don't know what you guys put this on, but I don't talk about that much on my show.

01:11:11.800 And every every red pill daddy I've ever had does, you know, Bill Cooper, I've got the

01:11:16.220 original ball to bell horse with the whole protocols.

01:11:18.660 Yes.

01:11:19.160 Yeah.

01:11:19.500 They remove the protocols, you know, the new version.

01:11:22.560 And if you read it, Bill Cooper says, look, I'm not saying it's all the J's.

01:11:27.920 I'm saying that the Illuminati are J's. 0.99

01:11:32.340 Basically, he's like, he's like, he's like, just he's going to read this.

01:11:35.300 It's a little unsavory.

01:11:36.380 Just replace the J term with Illuminati.

01:11:39.120 And that's kind of the gist of it.

01:11:40.260 It was that's my paraphrase of what he says.

01:11:42.480 And I agree with that. 0.99

01:11:43.980 Like, I you'd be an utter fool to not see. 0.91

01:11:47.800 Yeah, there's a lot of influences from this world into our world. 0.94

01:11:52.660 And like, it's just one of those topics that like, I'm not touching with a 20 foot pole

01:11:57.300 because I've been torched a million times on a million platforms.

01:12:00.160 And like, I want to salvage, you know, because like I said at the beginning, like my lane is

01:12:06.100 pop culture, occult symbolism.

01:12:07.860 I think it's fun.

01:12:09.220 It lightens things up sometimes.

01:12:10.920 Sometimes it's spooky. 0.99

01:12:11.880 And I'm the I'm the I'm the the satanic grifter, fear monger guy like the spooky Satan, you

01:12:18.220 know, and like, I like to keep it as light as I can at times.

01:12:22.360 But like that particular topic is just so controversial.

01:12:25.480 And, you know, for good reason, like I would never want to push anything that makes people

01:12:30.720 do anti-Semitic things.

01:12:32.720 But like, I would never be the guy to be like, oh, there's nothing there.

01:12:36.460 Don't look at it.

01:12:37.240 It's, you know, it's fake news.

01:12:38.560 Like, I would never say that either.

01:12:39.780 But I just I'm like, I'm not the guy for that.

01:12:41.340 There's plenty of guys for that.

01:12:42.620 Go find them.

01:12:43.840 And go find them.

01:12:46.400 Yeah, it's easy to find.

01:12:47.840 And it again, it goes back to my suspicion about Ian Carroll is how does one talk about

01:12:55.920 these things everywhere and still has a million plus followers on all platforms?

01:13:00.660 Yes, it's absolutely insane.

01:13:03.080 It's the same answer, Isaac, as to why can you suddenly talk about the juice?

01:13:07.440 Where you couldn't before.

01:13:09.200 And now on X, you can because it's time.

01:13:11.460 The gatekeepers have allowed this narrative to unfold.

01:13:14.220 It's not only that, like I've and I've been expelled from the white nationalist community.

01:13:18.960 Very unfortunate as a hundred percent Puerto Rican man. 0.99

01:13:21.500 It's a Puerto Rican.

01:13:22.560 I got real bummed out.

01:13:23.820 I thought he was tanned up or something.

01:13:25.460 It's summertime rolled around and they're like, you're very dark.

01:13:28.060 It's like you're getting a little too brown for us over here. 0.87

01:13:30.440 Because I was like, maybe we should have some nuance with this thing.

01:13:32.900 Like not everybody is, you know, part of this Illuminati, you know, Jewish kebab that you 0.99

01:13:37.900 guys are talking about.

01:13:38.780 And they were like, no, you're out, dude.

01:13:40.660 You're done.

01:13:41.820 Well, the second I tried to add some nuance to it.

01:13:44.080 So I'm like, it's interesting because now we have that movement.

01:13:46.880 That movement is going to go full bore.

01:13:49.340 And once you have, I guess you'd call them the Borg, you know, like the entire population 1.00

01:13:55.440 of people, normie people.

01:13:57.000 And you tell them one thing, they're going to go and no one's going to think to have

01:14:00.500 nuance or any kind of discrepancy on what we've been actually talking about this entire

01:14:04.580 time.

01:14:05.440 So I'm just, I'm watching it and I'm like, there's nothing I can do now.

01:14:08.700 There's nothing anyone could do.

01:14:10.280 We're moving forward with this narrative.

01:14:12.360 It's going to be real interesting.

01:14:13.460 But I wanted to say to like those people that kind of got real mad at me, they're getting

01:14:18.080 paid on Twitter to post this stuff specifically.

01:14:21.620 Like they, I post comedy.

01:14:23.140 I post, you know, conspiracy.

01:14:25.400 I do artwork.

01:14:26.300 I'm like this.

01:14:27.180 If you go to Top Lops, it's a multifaceted thing.

01:14:29.660 Pick your poison, whatever you like to see.

01:14:32.240 These guys are just talking about Jays and they're getting paid.

01:14:35.040 I know how much they get paid.

01:14:36.120 Like every two weeks, it's quite a bit.

01:14:38.160 So I'm like, you got to ask yourself, why is this happening?

01:14:41.260 Why am I getting a paycheck to continue to push a narrative?

01:14:45.000 It's just real strange.

01:14:46.200 I would argue that the reason is, and I've argued this on this show, is they created a

01:14:49.920 pressure cooker effect when they said you can't talk about it.

01:14:53.300 And that really stewed under that pressure cooker effect.

01:14:56.640 And then eventually, you know, if you want this thing to explode, well, you've got to have

01:15:00.660 somebody come along and like crack it open.

01:15:02.620 And Elon Musk was that guy.

01:15:03.820 He comes along, he cracks it open.

01:15:05.160 They pick their people to push a narrative.

01:15:08.560 And I'm actually concerned now that the direction that this is going has got so much momentum

01:15:15.100 that you can't stop.

01:15:16.440 And very soon, we're going to see a widespread public conversation that's no longer taking

01:15:23.020 place on social media.

01:15:23.960 It's now out in the real world.

01:15:25.260 And it's not a conversation.

01:15:26.480 It's just a frustrated flailing, which is not good for anybody.

01:15:31.580 But that's what happens when you suppress speech.

01:15:34.620 And I think that was done by design.

01:15:36.900 You know, I like I said earlier, I'm doing a mega deep dive into accelerationalism because

01:15:42.920 the and the dark enlightenment, because that's what I think is the root of all of this narrative

01:15:48.400 suddenly showing up everywhere.

01:15:49.840 And as part of that, and the short version is you go back to 2007, there's a philosopher

01:15:56.840 named Curtis Yarvin, who you probably recognize the name, right?

01:16:01.660 He's been pushing.

01:16:03.100 What's that?

01:16:03.940 Menchus Molebug.

01:16:05.140 Yeah.

01:16:05.640 Yeah.

01:16:05.880 That guy.

01:16:06.860 He he's been talking about this, this sort of philosophy that he wants to instill.

01:16:12.840 And it's literally everything that's happening right now.

01:16:14.880 And part of that philosophy is it has a racial agenda to its sort of eugenics associated.

01:16:24.240 And if you read through a lot of the stuff he talks about, you're like, he'll he'll come

01:16:28.340 out and say, like, oh, no, I'm not racist.

01:16:30.020 But I'm like, bro, you said that white people have higher IQs than black people because of

01:16:34.560 their genes. 0.98

01:16:35.160 Like, that's pretty racist, man. 1.00

01:16:36.980 Like, and this is the exact bullshit. 1.00

01:16:39.680 It's like, you know, I must see healing on the stage twice in a row. 1.00

01:16:42.600 And everyone's like, that wasn't a sick hell.

01:16:44.720 He's just a happy artist.

01:16:46.660 That's all.

01:16:47.400 He's just a happy artist.

01:16:49.060 I just am like, I'm I'm I'm I don't know.

01:16:51.860 Call it whatever you want.

01:16:52.660 But like, I'm pulling my hair out.

01:16:53.760 Like, I can't believe this is like happening.

01:16:55.420 And and it's all by design, like these people.

01:16:57.920 And just you were talking about the people on X making money off of it.

01:17:03.080 I don't know what the money looks like when you push this stuff.

01:17:05.500 I have no idea.

01:17:06.000 Thousands of dollars.

01:17:06.880 I've seen somebody probably screenshots before.

01:17:08.720 OK, it's paying rent.

01:17:09.980 Two or three grand every two weeks.

01:17:11.860 I'd say five grand a month.

01:17:13.020 That's not nothing.

01:17:14.080 No.

01:17:14.700 So that that's upsetting because like I listen to.

01:17:20.300 It's like I've been avoiding this topic like the plague.

01:17:23.460 So I don't get deep platform.

01:17:24.660 Meanwhile, people are making, you know, you guys are getting paid bracket money.

01:17:28.540 Oh, they're going to pay good too. 1.00

01:17:30.060 Damn, bro. 0.99

01:17:30.660 So I was listening as part of my research. 0.99

01:17:34.760 I was listening to Steve Bannon's War Room podcast and he had Laura Loomer on back in.

01:17:41.320 I want to say it was December of twenty four.

01:17:43.080 And I don't agree with those too often.

01:17:46.420 But, you know, like I said, like I'm moderate, like I'll listen to everything.

01:17:49.780 Like I don't nothing offends me.

01:17:51.820 And I was listening to them.

01:17:53.760 And because they kind of flirt with these spaces of these philosophies.

01:17:58.480 To put a fine point on it, like they're a little bit different, like they don't agree with entirely everything that Curtis Yarvin and Elon Musk are saying or doing.

01:18:06.420 But there's elements that they're like supportive of, which is to sort of accelerate the decline of the American empire.

01:18:12.400 Yeah. And Laura Loomer even talked about she said the exact thing that the top just said about how she's like, yeah, there's a lot of people that actually disagree with, you know, Elon Musk and all of this stuff happening.

01:18:27.000 But they rely on their Twitter checks too much. 0.68

01:18:29.220 So they're just going to keep pushing the same bullshit that they want because because Twitter is the new sort of state media. 0.98

01:18:35.840 Right. And what was upsetting to me about Joe Rogan is like I I'm starting to wonder if he's not part of this now. 0.95

01:18:42.400 Which sucks. Like, I don't want to believe that I want to give him space to sort of in my romantic relationships I have with him in my head to say, hey, Isaac, it's no, baby, you know, I want that.

01:18:56.460 Not me. Not me.

01:18:57.520 There was an interview. He had. Oh, I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you. I was like talking over you.

01:19:05.520 No, he had Michael Osterholm on at the beginning of the vid. And I remember my so my wife was pregnant with my son and we were going to our final appointment to check out the baby. And I remember listening to that on the car ride there.

01:19:20.580 And like immediately, I said, maybe immediately, maybe three or four days after the entire world shut down.

01:19:26.240 Yeah, that's like right around the end of March. Actually, we're in March. And it was all from Joe Rogan's podcast. He put that into the ether.

01:19:34.900 He also put in like the IV mectin stuff into the ether and then get the whole conversation from that. And here we go again with Ian Carroll.

01:19:42.800 There's a very famous clip. I don't know if you guys have seen it. Joey Diaz on way too much edibles is talking to Rogan and he said something about Rogan not answering.

01:19:55.280 And he's like, yeah, dog, me and Redman wondering if the CIA visited you again. And instead of just laughing about it, Rogan was like, what do you mean?

01:20:04.580 And the look on Joey Diaz's face is very fascinating. You know, it's up to interpretation. And he goes, nothing, dog, never mind.

01:20:11.920 And then he just moves on to the next thing. And to that, I say, if you don't think that that's a potentiality for the CIA to be interested in the biggest platform on the planet, you're out of your mind.

01:20:26.060 I'm not saying that that means he says yes. And also, I'm not even saying that if he is captured, that he has to be a willing participant.

01:20:33.960 They have ways of making you say yes. You know what I mean? So people have this outlook on Rogan's podcast.

01:20:40.780 I would almost say that it's guaranteed that he's co-opted because you would never let an asset like that go untapped if you're an intelligence agency.

01:20:49.720 The CIA is in the business of cultural manufacturing, right? You're talking Laurel Canyon and all that shit. 0.98

01:20:55.080 They never stop. They do the same thing with the hip hop industry. It's never ended. 0.99

01:20:59.840 Right. And the idea that they wouldn't have an interest in Rogan's podcast, considering that it became the most culturally impactful phenomenon that we've seen since, I don't know, name something else that even holds a candle to it.

01:21:12.900 I would say it seems obvious that they need to do that.

01:21:16.940 Hashtag free Joe Rogan.

01:21:18.400 Hashtag free Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is an unwilling participant in this narrative.

01:21:23.060 Look, there are things about him that are concerning, right?

01:21:26.620 Because we talked about this whole John C. Lilly float tank thing, and obviously the CIA becomes fascinated in that conjunction of psychedelics and sensory deprivation and psychic communication and things like that.

01:21:41.020 And much of that is part of this MKUltra program.

01:21:45.160 And then he has, I don't know, the, the, the, well, he has Ian Carroll on, but before he does that, he blows up the telepathy tapes, which are very strange to me right now.

01:21:58.300 It's another one of these things that I feel like an idea's time has come and there's a narrative that's unfolding.

01:22:04.180 And I think that it actually is a little bit more nefarious than people think.

01:22:08.360 So they're looking at this telepathy tapes thing, which by the way, Rogan made the number one podcast in the world.

01:22:13.360 Rogan was the number one podcast in the world for a long time.

01:22:16.940 And I'm sure occasionally somebody knocked him out, but generally speaking, he held that number one spot until he introduced the world to the telepathy tapes.

01:22:24.660 And they held the number one spot for like the next few weeks after that.

01:22:28.000 And they're still up there.

01:22:29.340 And what I find fascinating about it is we're looking at, let's say the MKUltra program. 0.52

01:22:35.020 And what is that?

01:22:35.540 That's trauma based mind control.

01:22:38.360 It's creating a disassociative identity disorder within the patient in order to make them susceptible to suggestion, but also to potentially expose latent psychic abilities.

01:22:50.080 You know, we're getting into like the Montauk project, right?

01:22:52.520 Stranger Things is based off of it.

01:22:54.340 It's a fictionalized, sensationalized version, but you have a little girl who is traumatized.

01:22:58.940 And what does it do?

01:22:59.720 It unlocks her latent psychic ability.

01:23:01.500 I'm sorry, dude, but I'm looking at the telepathy tapes and I'm looking at these poor kids that are nonverbal autistic and I'm looking at the correlation between the autism levels and the you know what.

01:23:12.100 So you can't even say it or else we'll get removed off of YouTube.

01:23:14.140 And I'm going, is that just another trauma based operation to unlock psychic latent abilities in children?

01:23:23.060 And why is a guy who's introducing these sensory deprivation tanks to us also now introducing the telepathy tapes to us?

01:23:32.860 And then that's weird.

01:23:34.140 Oh, go ahead.

01:23:34.560 Sorry.

01:23:34.760 No, I was just going to cap it all off with.

01:23:36.820 And now he is side by side with Ian Carroll steering the narrative once again.

01:23:42.500 It's interesting you bring that up because I, like I said, I probably listened to I maybe five Joe Rogans a year or something like that.

01:23:52.100 I don't listen to a ton of podcasts.

01:23:53.460 I used to.

01:23:53.820 I used to listen to like the measurement five Joe Rogans.

01:23:57.180 So I've had five Joe Rogans a year and the last couple that I listened to, I swear maybe the last three I listened to, he's mentioned the telepathy tapes and I was listening to the Jacques Vallée one recently and he mentions it in the first, you know, five, 10 minutes or whatever.

01:24:16.260 And I was like, dude, he keeps talking.

01:24:17.400 I don't know what this is.

01:24:18.080 So I'm driving while I'm listening to it.

01:24:19.940 Right.

01:24:20.060 And I just Google real quick.

01:24:21.300 Like, are the telepathy, telepathy tapes real?

01:24:23.980 And of course, the Google AI, which I mean, sus, right?

01:24:27.420 I don't know.

01:24:27.980 I don't just believe it off the bat, but it says off the bat that it's pseudoscience and it's not real.

01:24:33.200 And I just thought, OK, well, that's something I got to look into down the road.

01:24:35.800 I don't know what this is or what it means.

01:24:37.220 And I obviously know what, you know, like you like you were talking about with the explanation, what the podcast is.

01:24:45.400 But I thought, well, that's where the joke he's mentioned.

01:24:48.020 If it's supposedly pseudoscience, he talks like it's factual, the most mind blowing thing you've ever seen.

01:24:52.420 And it got me interested in it.

01:24:53.820 And I was like, well, I got to check these out sometime.

01:24:55.560 He keeps mentioning it.

01:24:56.600 It's got to be something.

01:24:58.340 And, dude, I don't know.

01:25:00.720 Like, that's an interesting angle you bring up with the dissociative identity stuff.

01:25:05.420 Because, yeah, I did a deep dive into Stranger Things when season four, I think it was season four, came out.

01:25:12.900 And it's alarming.

01:25:15.960 And it ties into a lot of the occult stuff when you go into the history of Tibet and Alexandria David Neal, who went there, was studying a lot of the ideas that Helena Blavatsky was saying in a lot of her New Age writings in the late 1800s, early 1900s or whatever.

01:25:35.300 And she was saying that there are these things they call the CDs, right, the superpowers latent in man that can be unlocked through enough sort of like New Age practices of meditation and yoga and all this stuff.

01:25:47.820 And forever ago, I read this book called The Autobiography of the Yogananda, a very famous book, because there was this Russian Orthodox guy I worked with.

01:25:56.460 And we were always talking about, like, weird spirituality stuff.

01:25:59.220 And he's like, dude, you got to read The Autobiography of the Yogananda.

01:26:01.660 And I was like, all right, dude. 0.99

01:26:02.960 And, like, this guy was, like, floating through walls and shit. 0.98

01:26:05.120 I was like, whoa, man, this is crazy, you know? 0.90

01:26:07.140 And that's the kind of idea we're talking about is unlocking these latent powers in man.

01:26:13.140 And there's a variety of ways to do it.

01:26:15.880 And one of them is, like, these New Age concepts.

01:26:17.600 And then you've got your sort of trauma-based stuff that supposedly happened.

01:26:24.420 I don't know how much of it's allegedly, but they, you know, I don't want to say the wrong words, but they torture and abuse young people.

01:26:33.180 And what's crazy is, and I know I keep pitching this Dark Enlightenment series I'm doing, but, like, that's part of it, too.

01:26:41.420 I couldn't believe it, because I'm researching the Silicon Valley nerd fantasy.

01:26:47.060 They have these libertarian nerd fantasies of, like, oh, get rid of the government completely and gut it.

01:26:51.780 No taxes for anyone.

01:26:52.840 And billionaires should be, we should have a CEO king, which is all, by the way, tied into Manly P. Hall, Secret Destiny of America, the Platonic Empire's philosopher king. 0.99

01:27:03.780 Like, all of this is the same crap. 0.95

01:27:05.180 Again, going back to my first point, it's the same thing over and over and over. 0.99

01:27:09.420 And they just try at different angles.

01:27:11.300 And now the billionaires are like, well, let's do it.

01:27:13.600 And this time we'll say it's, like, a libertarian thing.

01:27:16.000 And they, when you dig into it, like, some of the philosophers I'm researching, like Nick Land, who was, they call him the godfather of accelerationalism.

01:27:26.420 Turns out, when I'm just innocently researching him, they talk about these artists, Jake and Dinos Chapman, who've collaborated with him a bunch.

01:27:33.720 And I was like, why does that name sound familiar?

01:27:36.220 Well, it's because back when we were talking about Valenciaga, their name came up because they had some really dark art.

01:27:41.940 And people can kind of Google around and find it.

01:27:45.140 And it's kids with appendages they shouldn't have.

01:27:50.680 They were the ones that were on a magazine that was in the background, I think.

01:27:54.900 I think that was where their tie-in was.

01:27:56.580 Valenciaga ads, yeah.

01:27:57.220 Something.

01:27:57.600 There was some tie-in with them.

01:27:59.200 And I was like, what is going on?

01:28:01.740 And then I dug a little deeper.

01:28:03.480 And the one dude, Jake Chapman, made this whole documentary about accelerationalism.

01:28:08.700 And it had a bunch of philosophers discussing their attitudes on it.

01:28:12.220 And it's fascinating stuff. 1.00

01:28:14.080 I'm not sitting here criticizing these people as idiots. 1.00

01:28:16.940 I just think they're demonic, possessed by demons. 1.00

01:28:20.380 Because the same forces that want to, these libertarian forces that want to accelerate the end of the empire,

01:28:27.780 also have the same common goal as these satanic groups.

01:28:35.980 Again, I can't say the terms on here.

01:28:37.600 I heard you say you're putting it on YouTube.

01:28:39.720 There's certain groups.

01:28:41.600 If you follow BX...

01:28:42.180 No, let's say what you got to say because we'll edit this down anyway.

01:28:46.160 Okay.

01:28:46.420 Yeah, we can say some stuff.

01:28:48.540 I'll refer people to check out BX on Twitter, on X.

01:28:52.580 Yeah, yeah.

01:28:53.120 She's doing a deep dive constantly on these groups.

01:28:56.220 Yes.

01:28:56.520 In particular...

01:28:58.080 Order of the Nine Angles is one of them, yes.

01:29:00.200 And because I did a couple shows on Nine Angles back in 21, but she takes it deeper into some of the other groups.

01:29:06.160 And you'll find, and I'll cover all this on my show eventually, but you'll find that these groups are into a bunch of grotesquely satanic, awful things, including ritual magic, including messing around with these, you know, kids.

01:29:21.860 Which I'm like, what is going on?

01:29:24.200 Like, are these people, like, are they trying to do traumatic-based mind control on the masses?

01:29:28.800 Or, I don't know.

01:29:30.160 I don't know what their angle is.

01:29:31.560 There's one more little key to that traumatic disassociative identity disorder situation, and it is that that is also the catalyst for schizophrenia.

01:29:41.180 So, very many people who are schizophrenic have suffered trauma in childhood, and it creates a separation.

01:29:48.400 It's a methodology for a kid to escape.

01:29:49.740 Are we all about the drink, David?

01:29:51.000 Everyone's about to drink.

01:29:51.680 We're all about the drink.

01:29:52.360 That's right, guys, because you know his name, Dr. Jerry Marzynski, clinical psychologist in the field, 35 years, dealing with schizophrenic patients.

01:29:59.100 And he comes out the other end saying, it is not auditory and visual hallucinations.

01:30:04.020 These people are beset upon by something external to themselves.

01:30:07.460 And it just so happens to have a visceral reaction to biblical scripture, if you read it to them.

01:30:11.920 And so, we've done a couple of episodes with that guy.

01:30:14.720 He lays that out pretty well.

01:30:16.060 I've gotten to the point where I don't believe that schizophrenia is a brain chemical imbalance whatsoever.

01:30:21.000 I think it's a spiritual disposition.

01:30:22.240 And it's just worth noting that very many of the people who suffer from it have also suffered from trauma in childhood, which creates disassociation.

01:30:29.960 I mean, I know we're coming up on time here, Isaac, but I did want to mention that coming up in this online space, I did come up in the libertarian circle.

01:30:40.480 So, I know all these people that you're talking about, and I know the ideology inside and out.

01:30:45.120 And one of our earliest episodes, we had our friend Dave Smith on with our other friend, Clint Russell.

01:30:50.420 And I didn't want Dave to come on and talk about Mises and Rothbard and, you know, Misesi and economics, which I think there's a place for.

01:30:58.100 I think that's what libertarianism, well, not the party, but the ideology really nails.

01:31:03.420 It's like the economic ideas of like how things make sense.

01:31:07.280 They get a little goofy going other places.

01:31:09.140 But the name of the episode was God and Liberty, because I wanted to press Dave on where does God fall in this idea of libertarianism in your ideology? 0.83

01:31:22.420 Because libertarianism is this weird thing that can seem like it has a lot of these tenets of Christianity, but it also has these weird tenets of almost like Crowley and Satanism, like shit like that, like do what thou wilt.

01:31:37.400 And I'm like, well, that's what it seems like that's what Christianity is. 0.86

01:31:40.800 If you take God from the center of Christianity, it turns into Satanism or libertarianism in a lot of different ways.

01:31:48.820 Even their symbology, you have, you know, the Statue of Liberty with a flame, which is kind of like it might actually be.

01:31:55.380 Like the morning star, the Prometean torchbearer, like it's their symbol.

01:31:59.880 It's a strange, yeah, it's a strange thing to choose.

01:32:03.400 And then even the concept of like liberation, right?

01:32:05.700 Like is that's so parallel to rebellion that they're almost kind of the same thing.

01:32:10.980 And then it just brings to image, you know, the fallen angels.

01:32:14.760 I don't know.

01:32:15.340 I think there's something.

01:32:16.600 By the end of that episode, I did.

01:32:18.760 We didn't receive any satisfactory answers.

01:32:20.700 I don't think Dave would be interested even coming back on because it was kind of like we were talking past each other. 0.99

01:32:25.500 He's talking politically and I'm talking more like what the fuck are you guys doing? 0.97

01:32:29.060 And where are you leading young men spiritually? 0.99

01:32:32.420 How does this happen?

01:32:34.380 And I'm not sure we got anywhere, but it's been one of the things that I've been thinking about a lot.

01:32:38.580 That idea of accelerationism.

01:32:40.280 Yeah.

01:32:40.580 And yes, you know what I'm talking about when I'm using these terms.

01:32:43.820 It's it's all kind of new to me because I didn't I wasn't really aware of it.

01:32:47.400 And you're correct in the sense that I need to tell you that, but like in terms of libertarianism is the Church of Satan embraced social Darwinism.

01:32:55.300 And it's like, you know, might is right.

01:32:57.180 And that's kind of a libertarian perspective.

01:32:58.880 And and I'm not I'm not reducing all libertarian and conservative ideas is wrong by any means.

01:33:04.660 I mean, I think that having a balanced, moderate system is kind of the ideal.

01:33:09.560 Right.

01:33:09.880 And you need some capitalism.

01:33:11.400 You can't have like full blown socialism or communism or libertarianism.

01:33:16.060 You kind of have to have it mixed.

01:33:17.440 And I guess that's like kind of the conversation that everyone needs to have is like, where do we where do we fit on that spectrum?

01:33:23.760 You know, well, if you go to one, I brought David to a libertarian party convention that we were performing.

01:33:30.480 I was doing comedy there.

01:33:31.520 And that's all you need to see to understand what the party, what the logical conclusion is to that ideology.

01:33:39.200 You're not going to get like people like Clint Russell and Dave Smith and me that are going to be like that.

01:33:45.720 I guess like we come out of it, but we are not the exemplification of what it is when it's boiled down to its logical conclusion.

01:33:52.880 Boiled down is a bunch of autistic kids or autistic men and women with a bunch of pins on their jackets who are very much what you're talking about, 0.98

01:34:00.540 where they can't be spoken to.

01:34:02.460 There's like black and white.

01:34:03.660 There is no nuance in their arguments.

01:34:05.180 And it could get pretty dangerous if you if God forbid that that was on like the world stage.

01:34:09.720 It would be a disaster for mankind, man.

01:34:12.960 Yeah, I agree with that.

01:34:14.060 I agree totally with that.

01:34:15.080 Yeah.

01:34:15.660 Well, we just hit that 90 minute mark.

01:34:19.320 And this is a fascinating conversation, man.

01:34:21.840 And, you know, Isaac, this thing you you keep saying how it draws back to to your research and it's all connected.

01:34:28.020 It's very much the same thing that we're experiencing.

01:34:30.280 I bet you if we had more time, we would find that the overlap is actually probably mostly it's mostly overlap.

01:34:37.140 In fact, it's probably the same thing that we're pulling on and you're pulling on.

01:34:40.860 And I think we're coming at it from slightly different angles.

01:34:43.000 So I'm interested to see how these ideas of yours flesh out over time.

01:34:47.660 We'll be watching.

01:34:48.900 But I want to thank you in the meantime for your, you know, having shown up and and having this conversation with us.

01:34:54.680 And one more time before we get out of here, Isaac, where can everybody find you?

01:34:58.600 Of course.

01:34:59.040 Thanks for having me on.

01:34:59.740 This was this was a total blast.

01:35:01.200 And we definitely need to do some more collabs in the future here.

01:35:04.280 The one last thing.

01:35:06.500 Joe Rogan is not five foot two.

01:35:08.180 I have a photo.

01:35:09.920 I'm five foot eight.

01:35:10.720 I stood right next to him when he came to Salt Lake one time, years and years and years ago.

01:35:14.220 And he's my height almost exactly.

01:35:16.740 So is he really?

01:35:17.540 I will testify.

01:35:18.440 He is definitely not five, two, five, seven or five, eight.

01:35:20.740 I can't tell.

01:35:21.360 I think I think you're right because I'm five, seven and I hugged Sam Tripoli and I paid attention

01:35:26.760 in the picture to where my shoulder came in comparison to Tripoli.

01:35:30.240 Joe Rogan shoulder comes to the same place.

01:35:32.140 So, OK, I got it.

01:35:33.580 I agree with you.

01:35:34.220 He's like five, seven, five, eight.

01:35:35.500 We got it.

01:35:36.040 We all got to hang out because we're all like short, short Kings over here.

01:35:39.200 Oh, yeah, dude.

01:35:40.000 Yeah, good.

01:35:40.580 All right.

01:35:40.800 Yeah, because I can't I go hang out with Sam and I take a photo.

01:35:43.740 I'm like, God, man, or where she had his mark.

01:35:46.780 Dude, that dude's like seven foot tall.

01:35:48.500 I'm like, don't take a picture with Ian Carroll because he's six foot eight.

01:35:51.760 So when you do eventually on your show, he's six foot eight.

01:35:54.700 That's why he's crushing.

01:35:55.840 We're we're speculating as to whether or not he's captured.

01:35:58.380 He's six foot eight.

01:35:59.940 Beautiful head of hair.

01:36:00.920 Awesome mustache.

01:36:01.980 Great jawline. 1.00

01:36:03.040 We just suck. 0.99

01:36:04.100 That's man. 0.99

01:36:04.880 You ain't lying, dude.

01:36:06.160 Well, I better I better hit the CrossFit gym a little more. 0.99

01:36:08.960 I'm going to talk shit about Ian Carroll. 0.99

01:36:10.560 I know he's a massive dude. 0.99

01:36:11.880 I'm getting a leg extension surgery.

01:36:16.760 OK, anyway.

01:36:17.620 So, yeah, you could find my podcast called symbolism and pop culture everywhere.

01:36:21.120 Uh, you can go to all my links dot com slash Isaac W.

01:36:26.180 It's two A's in Isaac, right?

01:36:28.580 Um, so all my links dot com slash Isaac W.

01:36:31.640 And you got links to all of my stuff.

01:36:33.760 I've got two pod.

01:36:34.680 I run.

01:36:35.160 If people don't like my sort of, um, presentation of my solo podcast, I do one with my wife.

01:36:41.320 And it's a back and forth conversational.

01:36:43.700 Sometimes it's funny.

01:36:44.520 Sometimes we talk relationship and couples.

01:36:46.260 Sometimes we talk about conspiracies.

01:36:47.620 It's all over the map.

01:36:48.600 Uh, but people, like I said, they love it or they hate it.

01:36:51.460 So it depends on what flavor you like your podcast to look.

01:36:53.920 But I've got a couple of them.

01:36:55.320 Um, I've got nine books, Amazon Audible.

01:36:57.620 I narrated most of them.

01:36:59.340 And, uh, I'm writing the Twin Peaks book right now.

01:37:01.360 So, and then a final pitch.

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01:37:12.680 And I will send you my first book that I mentioned many times that has Joe Rogan's mentioned in there.

01:37:17.100 And I will, I will email that to you, uh, for free.

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01:37:23.740 I literally just tell you my new shows, appearances, performances, that kind of thing.

01:37:27.880 So, uh, thanks again, guys.

01:37:29.580 You guys are the best, dude.

01:37:30.460 This was great.

01:37:31.040 I loved it.

01:37:31.480 Thank you.

01:37:32.180 Thank you.

01:37:32.900 I really appreciate it.

01:37:34.480 Yes.

01:37:34.900 All right, guys.

01:37:35.560 Uh, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

01:37:38.960 See you later.

01:37:39.480 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:37:45.920 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:37:49.680 You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:37:54.800 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:38:02.900 And they have.

01:38:03.540 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:38:09.480 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

Nephilim Death Squad - March 19, 2025

141： Occult Symbolism & Pop Culture w⧸ Isaac Weishaupt

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