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00:04:28.080 Joining us today is Tommy Cullum.

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00:04:39.020 Hi, guys.

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00:05:05.900 Thank you, Tommy.

00:05:06.920 I'm Tommy from Let's Get Freaky podcast.

00:05:09.880 A show that we dive into the paranormal, all aspects, ghosts, cryptids, UFOs,

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00:05:35.400 Yeah, this is my new.

00:05:36.620 I'm quite new to the YouTube.

00:05:37.480 I'm new, totally new to the YouTube.

00:05:39.460 Been doing the YouTube for a while.

00:05:40.400 What's the most recent title video there?

00:05:43.160 What is it?

00:05:43.340 Oh, Tartaria.

00:05:44.320 You went into Tartaria.

00:05:45.560 Very excited.

00:05:46.540 Very excited.

00:05:47.720 He was talking with the Fed, Paul Stobbs.

00:05:50.380 Sweet, sweet Paul Stobbs, who infiltrated our Telegram channel yesterday,

00:05:54.880 queued off by MK Ryan,

00:05:57.540 and he's trying to figure out what the boys at Nephilim Death Squad are on to.

00:06:04.000 And we're not telling you, Paul Stobbs.

00:06:06.120 In fact, instead of telling you what we're doing,

00:06:08.560 we're here hanging out with your buddy without you, all right?

00:06:12.300 That's what we're doing today.

00:06:13.460 You know what's funny is we actually haven't done much of a dive into Tartaria.

00:06:17.840 I know Paul does great work on it because the way that it connects to the whole little season theory,

00:06:23.680 it's like a big component of it.

00:06:26.400 But it's just one of those things.

00:06:27.500 I don't know what it is.

00:06:28.200 We look at it, and we're like we're watching other content creators

00:06:31.080 just mercilessly beat Tartaria to death with a stick. 0.90

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00:06:46.680 All the remaining Nephilim shit, yeah. 0.99

00:06:49.720 But you were talking about cryptids, right? 0.99

00:06:52.040 Is that something that you tend to focus on quite a bit on your podcast?

00:06:56.160 Quite a lot of the time.

00:06:57.460 I mean, you had Patty from the Patterson-Gimlin film on your intro there.

00:07:00.920 That was one of the reasons why I got into all this sort of stuff was because I find, especially Bigfoot, super interesting.

00:07:08.300 I've never seen one, not yet.

00:07:10.380 But I look into it, and I started listening to Bigfoot podcasts at first.

00:07:14.920 And then it sort of took me down this other rabbit hole.

00:07:17.140 And then you learn about the Dogman and the Mothman.

00:07:19.480 And, you know, there's a lot of them out there.

00:07:21.060 And they're all around the world.

00:07:22.220 They're in the UK.

00:07:22.820 They're in the US. 0.68

00:07:24.360 They're in every culture that we have.

00:07:26.580 And I think there's something to this, man.

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00:07:35.320 But they have cryptids in the UK, right? 0.99

00:07:37.700 We do.

00:07:38.300 We have sightings.

00:07:39.220 People seem...

00:07:39.780 Obviously, you've got the famous Loch Ness Monster in Scotland, which is one of the OGs.

00:07:44.820 You know?

00:07:45.260 There was a sighting literally two weeks ago, I think it was, with someone.

00:07:50.340 You know, all these pictures are very hard.

00:07:51.820 They're very blurry.

00:07:53.700 So it's difficult.

00:07:55.040 We can't stamp down exactly what's going on.

00:07:57.680 But, yeah, there's people that see Bigfoot here in the UK.

00:08:00.980 Dogman, you know?

00:08:01.820 There's a lot of sightings.

00:08:03.680 Well, let me ask you this, Tommy.

00:08:05.000 The narrative on Bigfoot has changed so tremendously, certainly since the days of, like, that...

00:08:09.540 The footage that you were just talking about.

00:08:11.020 What is it?

00:08:11.660 The something gimlet?

00:08:13.080 Yeah.

00:08:13.580 Yeah, that's it.

00:08:14.300 And back in the day, there was a lot of speculation as to whether or not this is, like, a missing link.

00:08:19.420 You know, somewhere in the chain of human development, if you subscribe to the theory of evolution, then maybe somehow Bigfoot fits into that picture.

00:08:27.120 And we were pretty content looking at him as, like, if he did exist at all, which was, you know, a real kind of stone's throw from reality for a lot of people.

00:08:36.440 Then he was some sort of just a regular ape, you know, some sort of upright walking ape that maybe we just lost track of.

00:08:45.520 And now the narrative has shifted in such a way that it's kicked the doors open to ideas of, like, telepathy, ideas of dimensional travel, right?

00:08:55.860 That these Bigfoot are somehow, you know, moving in and out of our physical realm into a different realm.

00:09:02.040 This is why they're so hard to find.

00:09:04.320 And it becomes pretty overwhelming, the amount of evidence to support that kind of ideology, just based off the fact that we haven't found a body, but we have no shortage of eyewitness testimony.

00:09:15.620 I mean, like, it's just it's never gone away.

00:09:17.580 It's never died down.

00:09:18.420 In fact, it's probably only gotten increasingly more so.

00:09:21.740 Something interesting I was listening to today.

00:09:23.540 I love Tony Merkel's show.

00:09:25.140 No matter how much content we do, I have, like, I have zero time to listen to shows.

00:09:29.440 Always will listen to Tony.

00:09:31.760 He was talking about, like, people that investigate Bigfoot.

00:09:36.180 And he said he was going to go find and try to exhume a Bigfoot body.

00:09:39.460 And a doctor told him that she's heard of many cases where there's, like, extreme radiation poisoning that people get.

00:09:46.320 And they'll be dead within a year when they come into contact with these bodies.

00:09:49.720 Are you familiar with any of this?

00:09:52.760 I mean, I've not heard that, but that is very interesting.

00:09:55.740 I mean, Tony Merkel is one of my favourites, the Confessionals podcast.

00:09:59.480 Probably another reason why I started Let's Get Freaky as well.

00:10:02.260 You know, he really inspired me.

00:10:04.720 I was talking to someone very interesting the other day who sort of made a storm in the Bigfoot community here in the UK and in the US.

00:10:12.760 Daniel Lee Barnett.

00:10:14.120 And he's 15 years old.

00:10:16.060 He's a very impressive young man.

00:10:17.880 Is that legal to talk to this guy?

00:10:19.160 I know.

00:10:19.940 I was like, is this right?

00:10:21.420 I get parental consent.

00:10:22.460 I went downstairs and I told my wife that I'd just been talking for nearly two hours to a 15-year-old boy online.

00:10:28.160 She started packing her bags up.

00:10:29.560 She was like, this has got to stop.

00:10:31.720 This is sick.

00:10:33.560 Oh, my God.

00:10:34.480 But to be honest with you, he was, like, smarter than me.

00:10:37.240 He was, like, he was the way he was talking and presenting himself.

00:10:41.460 Super smart lad.

00:10:42.640 You know, he's 15 with, like, the mind of a 40-year-old.

00:10:45.820 You know, the way he was talking.

00:10:46.760 It was unbelievable.

00:10:47.380 I think we've got to get used to that idea, like, because podcasting is becoming such a big thing that there are going to be these kind of savants that pop up.

00:10:55.400 And they're, why not?

00:10:56.500 Why wouldn't they be younger? 1.00

00:10:57.740 You know, why wouldn't a young kid be good at this shit? 1.00

00:11:00.460 What was his bag, Tommy? 1.00

00:11:03.080 Did he have an experience himself?

00:11:05.260 He had an incredible, well, I'll say experience.

00:11:08.660 But he, so he got into the Bigfoot.

00:11:10.640 What's the famous show?

00:11:13.260 Oh, is it Bigfoot Hunters or Squatch Hunters?

00:11:16.080 Yeah, it's one of them.

00:11:17.420 So he started watching one of them shows when he was 13.

00:11:20.600 And he got really into it.

00:11:22.140 And he started, like, this is how smart the kid is.

00:11:24.580 He's 13.

00:11:25.700 So instead of, like, going out looking for Bigfoot, like you would as a 13-year-old, if you're into that, he's gone out and he's using the same methods that Bigfoot hunters use to find, to track Bigfoot.

00:11:36.260 But he's used that on deers, right?

00:11:38.220 Which I think is really smart for a kid of that age to even think that way.

00:11:41.860 And he said it was an incredible experience because he's using these same techniques and he's found, like, a herd of deers.

00:11:48.920 And it was, like, amazing.

00:11:50.280 So he found that.

00:11:51.460 He'd done that.

00:11:52.100 Tick.

00:11:52.460 He's like, okay, now, in the UK, there's a lot of people, including my mother-in-law, that see big cats.

00:11:59.260 So my mother-in-law, 20 years ago, saw a black panther in Essex in the UK.

00:12:03.380 You can get into that if you want.

00:12:05.020 But so he was like, okay, now I'm going to use that same technique that I use for the deers to find the big cats, to find proof of the big cats.

00:12:13.380 And he said he was out with his grandmother and he's going through, I believe it was Somerset.

00:12:18.700 I think it was Somerset, which is a lovely part of the UK, very countryside-y.

00:12:23.280 And he's going through the forest and they both stumble upon this giant foot, which sounds wild.

00:12:31.020 And he's 13 when this happened.

00:12:33.300 Or 13, 14.

00:12:34.940 It was recent.

00:12:36.960 And he's, at this age, like, his grandmother as well, but he knows to, like, collect some DNA, to take a mould of the foot.

00:12:43.780 Like, he's a proper big foot man.

00:12:47.140 And he said, so he's got all this evidence and then he found other footprints as well and took all the DNA from that and sent off these samples to a load of different labs around the world.

00:12:58.580 He said a lot of people weren't even getting back to him.

00:13:01.200 But I'm, like, sitting there thinking, this dude's 15 years old and he's talking to me like, it was unbelievable.

00:13:07.080 At 15 years old, dude, I don't know what.

00:13:09.440 I was chasing girls and, okay, that's actually probably it.

00:13:13.240 Full stop.

00:13:13.740 That's the only thing that I was doing at 15 years old.

00:13:16.380 I was not chasing an upright, bipedal, you know, interdimensional ape at all, a telepathy ape at all.

00:13:25.740 That's not what I was doing.

00:13:26.400 So, yeah, I mean, I'll give him some credit there.

00:13:28.240 Give credit where credit's due.

00:13:29.460 We were just trying to find boobies at that age.

00:13:31.420 That's it, yeah.

00:13:32.160 That's literally it.

00:13:33.180 Totally different B-word.

00:13:34.800 Totally different B-word.

00:13:35.780 So, yeah, 100%.

00:13:36.460 So, this is where it gets wild.

00:13:38.820 So, he sent off this evidence.

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00:14:27.140 One place got back to him in Portugal.

00:14:30.820 One lab in Portugal got back to him and said that they will look at it and look into it.

00:14:36.240 And he said it a little while went past and they reached him.

00:14:39.120 They got back to him and they said, this is incredible what you found.

00:14:43.040 And this is how he explained it.

00:14:44.720 And I'm no DNA expert.

00:14:46.260 I don't know a lot about this, like the DNA side of things.

00:14:49.900 But basically, apparently, we've all got old ape.

00:14:53.260 Sorry, we've all got like new ape, they call it.

00:14:55.980 This is what he called it, new ape DNA in us, apparently.

00:14:59.280 That's in us, apparently.

00:15:00.800 But what they found in this footprint was old ape DNA, which humans don't have.

00:15:06.360 So whatever he had found had old ape DNA in this track, in this footprint.

00:15:13.340 And it's just blown up from there.

00:15:16.040 He's talking to some of the biggest researchers in the U.S.

00:15:19.520 I don't know if you've heard of Bobo, Cliff and Bobo.

00:15:22.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:23.020 I feel bad because that guy, he's a great character.

00:15:27.140 But, you know, when you end up getting caught in the repetition of a series that a channel wants to sell,

00:15:35.000 they keep dragging you out into the woods.

00:15:36.820 They keep making you whoop.

00:15:38.280 They keep making you smack trees with sticks.

00:15:40.400 And it's like, you know, that guy, if you look at him, Bobo, he is like genuinely into this topic.

00:15:48.240 But at the end of the day, you have to get pulled back onto this show and you have to go smack the trees with a stick and you have to whoop in the dark.

00:15:53.820 Because we got, you know, a slot to fill and we got viewers to entertain and we got sponsors to make happy.

00:16:01.040 And so, yeah, I think there's a lot to that guy.

00:16:03.620 A lot more than what we typically see on Finding Bigfoot.

00:16:07.340 Yeah.

00:16:07.700 Well, they've got a podcast now.

00:16:09.320 Their podcast is Bigfoot and Beyond.

00:16:10.840 And they say that.

00:16:14.040 There he is.

00:16:14.600 There's the young man.

00:16:15.080 Oh, this is him?

00:16:15.740 That's him.

00:16:16.400 Yeah.

00:16:16.900 Look at him. 0.97

00:16:17.420 That little skinny kid out in the woods looking for something that he doesn't even realize can rip his limbs off and beat him to death with his own arms. 0.92

00:16:25.360 He's braver to me. 0.93

00:16:26.300 That's for sure.

00:16:26.840 Yes, he is.

00:16:27.500 Yeah.

00:16:27.700 He couldn't catch me rolling around in the woods doing that stuff.

00:16:30.760 Yeah, man.

00:16:32.120 But so he's reaching out and he's even doing a – so you get the cryptid cons.

00:16:39.580 The cryptid cons.

00:16:40.480 Yes.

00:16:40.840 In the U.S.

00:16:42.200 There's one coming to the U.K. now because of him.

00:16:45.940 I think it's in a couple of months.

00:16:47.820 And he was explaining that to me.

00:16:49.440 And I'm just like, wow, man.

00:16:50.800 So he's got this evidence and he's got a documentary coming out.

00:16:53.980 I believe it's in September, which is going to like really explain all this a lot better than I just did.

00:16:59.220 And it's just mind-blowing, man.

00:17:01.300 That's fascinating.

00:17:03.620 There's so much about the whole Bigfoot phenomenon that, like I said at the top of the show, you know, it went from just being strictly like a –

00:17:10.480 a wildlife biologist POV to all of a sudden it really gets into the supernatural realm.

00:17:15.960 And a lot of the supernatural explanations are explaining this thing's elusiveness.

00:17:21.920 Why we can't get our hands on it.

00:17:23.680 Why we can't find a body.

00:17:24.640 And there's all this kind of like, you know, telepathic communication is overwhelmingly one.

00:17:30.700 I know we talked to Doc Brown of the Prometheus Lens podcast.

00:17:36.020 Yes.

00:17:36.340 And what we were talking about with him is I think we brought up the Bump podcast and there was a woman who was on the Bump podcast.

00:17:44.040 A lot of the audience is familiar with this story where she's having a prolonged interaction with a Bigfoot.

00:17:49.620 And over time, she manages to get some information from this thing.

00:17:52.780 And one of the more profound things that it revealed to her was that it identified itself as an elude and that it was seeking redemption.

00:18:03.200 I know I'm paraphrasing.

00:18:04.500 There he is.

00:18:05.100 There's Doc right now.

00:18:07.040 Shout out to Doc at the Prometheus Lens podcast.

00:18:09.020 Yes, sir.

00:18:09.840 And, you know, you start looking into the etymology of the word elude and it seems to be some descendant of the Nephilim, right?

00:18:19.940 Some descendant, some bloodline variant or branch of the offspring of fallen angels and human women.

00:18:27.360 And, you know, that whole idea that this thing is seeking redemption is kind of profound because that's a topic that we explore a lot on this show is do these things, whether they're cryptids or chimeric creatures or, you know, the genetic lineage of the fallen, do they have, can they receive redemption through Christ?

00:18:48.120 And so we already were kind of wondering and asking that question.

00:18:52.540 And so when that little bit of information came across the table, man, I mean, it makes Bigfoot incredibly compelling.

00:19:00.420 It adds a dynamic to this story that like, man, we're so far from 15 years ago where this thing was just an ape in the woods and it might be a missing link.

00:19:10.760 Mm-hmm.

00:19:11.140 A hundred percent, man.

00:19:12.560 For me, for me, with these things in the Bigfoot world, it's very much there's two sides.

00:19:17.260 You're either in the Wu camp or you're in the flesh and blood camp. 1.00

00:19:20.240 And sometimes they fight, which I never get that.

00:19:22.540 I don't get that at all because we're all just trying to find the answers.

00:19:26.120 But for me at the moment, as of today, I feel like there must be some sort of supernatural element to these things because, you know, we can't catch up with them.

00:19:34.100 We can't prove them 100%.

00:19:35.600 So there must be a supernatural element to them, you know?

00:19:39.960 And then you start to, like I said, you have those, those instances of telepathy.

00:19:43.220 And you were talking about the genetic aspect of them.

00:19:47.840 I remember a story that's anecdotally, and I know I'm going to butcher it, but there was some sample that was taken from these things.

00:19:55.820 I think it might have been like hair that was left on a tree.

00:19:58.000 And when it was sent to a lab, it came back as like pretty standard.

00:20:04.500 But there was one element that was, it totally threw them for a loop.

00:20:08.120 And they didn't even have a genetic ancestry line for that DNA sample.

00:20:15.340 And I wish I had a better access to that story right now.

00:20:18.560 My mind is failing me, but I remember hearing that.

00:20:20.800 I might have heard it on Tony's show, actually.

00:20:22.880 Yeah.

00:20:23.720 But a lot of people say if you find like hair or evidence, don't send it to a lab.

00:20:27.680 A lot of people say that because if you do that, you're probably not going to hear nothing back.

00:20:31.120 It's going to go somewhere.

00:20:32.480 They're going to fry it away. 0.68

00:20:33.340 Like the giant bones that you find in the U.S. and things like that.

00:20:37.680 If you hand them in, chances are you're not going to hear nothing back.

00:20:41.120 You know, they're just going to be swept under the carpet.

00:20:42.900 And there we go.

00:20:45.340 I think there's something with the giant bones going on with that dude, the Boneyard Alaska guy.

00:20:50.200 Oh, man, that's incredible.

00:20:51.760 Okay, so you're aware of him.

00:20:52.920 Yeah, he was just on Rogan again.

00:20:55.360 I haven't caught it because Rogan makes very long episodes.

00:20:58.880 But that guy, he alluded the first time that these bones or whatever he was finding, he was like,

00:21:08.320 he kind of was like, yeah, they're not ancient remains.

00:21:11.340 Because if they are, then the government will seize my property.

00:21:14.060 But it's just mammoth bones.

00:21:16.400 It's just stuff like that.

00:21:17.300 And I was like, I don't think so, dude.

00:21:19.480 It's like in a, I think it's a five square acre.

00:21:23.960 And it's five square acres of this property is where all of this action is taking place.

00:21:27.700 And it's happening on top of itself.

00:21:30.000 Like something happened here.

00:21:31.540 This is not just mammoths.

00:21:33.360 These are, I don't know if we'll ever find out what it is because he probably can't even disclose it.

00:21:38.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:40.540 I mean, I don't know if this is, if this, they gave some of them bones to the British Museum, I think.

00:21:46.220 That might be wrong.

00:21:47.000 But one of the, one of the museums, I think, in the UK.

00:21:49.620 And they refused to do any research or even acknowledge that they have them or something like that.

00:21:54.620 Yeah, well, we did an episode recently on the idea that the Smithsonian has a history of doing that.

00:22:00.640 And when you find out, you know, it's a lot of his allegations and it's hard to prove because it's been obfuscated.

00:22:06.160 But the anecdotal cases of finding, you know, inexplicably large humanoid bones and then, you know, calling what you think is the proper authorities in the Smithsonian.

00:22:16.860 And then these things allegedly get dumped in the rivers or, you know, what have you.

00:22:22.440 That, it's another one of those instances where the anecdotal evidence piles up to the point where you have to start asking some questions.

00:22:28.100 Why is this the case?

00:22:29.080 Turns out it's actually not that uncommon if you look at these stories for people to find these bones.

00:22:37.880 Where, where was that kid at?

00:22:40.160 His name is Daniel Barnett.

00:22:42.280 Where, where was he at?

00:22:44.080 I'm pretty sure it was in Somerset.

00:22:47.300 I interviewed him last week, so I should remember that.

00:22:50.180 But I think, where was he at with like the interdimensional aspect of Bigfoot?

00:22:55.540 Oh, yeah.

00:22:56.120 Oh, okay.

00:22:56.980 Yeah.

00:22:57.240 Well, in his, in his work, so I asked him that question, like what he thinks Bigfoot are.

00:23:01.840 And he, he's from the, from the angle that they're flesh and blood.

00:23:05.660 Now, in his documentary that he's got coming out in September, he did go to Seattle, I believe, or the West Coast, somewhere on the West Coast, and had an experience that he can't talk about yet.

00:23:16.540 Because, you know, with this stuff, with documentaries and stuff like that, they, they, they don't let you always talk about it until it comes out, which is annoying.

00:23:23.140 But I was like, oh man, you gotta tell me.

00:23:25.500 But he was like, I can't talk about it.

00:23:26.960 But he had an experience there, which is going to be in the documentary, that in his mind, confirmed that these are flesh and blood.

00:23:34.080 So I don't know what that was, but, so, but I believe they could be flesh and blood, but they could just be a science or something to them that we just don't understand.

00:23:43.540 Something that they're able to do that we can't, I don't know.

00:23:47.220 I don't know what it is.

00:23:47.740 It's a hot spot, right?

00:23:48.640 He's going to Seattle, like the West Coast of, of America, the, the, the Northwest is, is, I guess, it would probably be the, the hottest spot in the country for Bigfoot sightings is going to be the Northwest.

00:24:01.900 And I don't think that he's wrong at all in the idea that they're physical.

00:24:06.720 They seem very physical.

00:24:07.800 I mean, you know, all I have to go by is, is testimony from individuals who have had encounters and overwhelmingly when you, I mean, they're throwing rocks, right?

00:24:18.160 They're striking the sides of your house and things like that.

00:24:21.240 Like there's, they seem to be pretty mischievous actually, which is interesting.

00:24:26.180 You hear that a lot.

00:24:27.300 It's like, if you hear one story about a Bigfoot knocking things against the side of a barn or tossing rocks out of a tree line where he's out of view, but you know, he's there.

00:24:38.640 You hear that once and you go, that sounds strange and unlikely, but that is an overwhelmingly common theme in these testimonies that they're, they're hiding out of sight.

00:24:47.820 They seem to be trailing you in one way or another.

00:24:50.860 They'll, they'll follow you out of the forest.

00:24:53.820 And they will do things like that.

00:24:55.480 They'll knock, they'll throw, they'll throw rocks.

00:24:57.460 I don't know what the hell that is, but that to me screams like, yeah, this is a physical entity.

00:25:03.420 I don't think that those things, um, contradict one another.

00:25:06.840 The idea that this thing could be traversing through some sort of a dimensional gateway, a portal or something like that.

00:25:12.980 Um, and that it is also physical.

00:25:15.560 I don't think that those things cancel each other out.

00:25:17.660 Uh, so I, what I would wonder is if he's still open to any of those ideas of, uh, interdimensional travel or something like that.

00:25:27.540 Like a lot of these things, for example, happen in national parks and in national parks, there's this overwhelming.

00:25:34.060 I mean, you look at the missing 411 cases with David Polites and it, it almost seems like, um, and this is something, you know, once again, to, to kind of, uh, give Tony his flowers is something that I've watched him develop on his show where it, there seems to be like.

00:25:48.720 I don't know.

00:26:17.820 Maybe there are trees that act as portals.

00:26:21.720 There might even be rock formations that act as portals in these national forests and people seemingly go missing in them in the forest that is.

00:26:30.140 And then they will, uh, reappear on the other side of a terrain, like a mountainous range.

00:26:36.880 And oftentimes this is like a child has no business being able to traverse that sort of a thing.

00:26:41.900 And when they're found, they don't look at all like they've been on a harrowing journey over a mountainscape as a toddler.

00:26:49.760 So, so even, even the people who go missing, there seems to be such a strange event surrounding what they went through that people start to then speculate as to whether, I don't know, maybe you slipped into something and you traversed a great distance without having, actually having to physically do it.

00:27:08.140 So, especially when it comes to the national parks thing and the missing 411 cases, that to me really lends itself to being able to say, okay, let's explore this interdimensional aspect.

00:27:21.220 Let's explore this, this portal aspect because otherwise we're at a loss of explanations, uh, in regards to how these things are taking place because physically they don't seem possible.

00:27:31.280 Yeah, for sure, man, I mean, you get like veteran outdoorsmen that, that have, you know, been out all their lives hunting, you know, they know the forest, like, like any better than anyone and they will just go missing without a trace or without a trace.

00:27:44.360 And then how can you explain that?

00:27:46.240 You know, I'm sure that certain circumstances that can happen, but as you say, with a missing 411, there's, there's loads of cases where that happens and it's like, how, you know, and how's there no, no evidence?

00:27:57.360 You know, there's also a, a weird hitchhiker effect type of thing where even people who don't have experience, if they're out looking for it, they'll often say that, uh, they they're visited by like UFOs or they'll see orbs and things like that.

00:28:11.380 So it's like those things that are connected in this way, I, it annoys me a little bit, but I understand that there has to be like a very scientific approach to what they're doing to reach the unbelievers. 0.89

00:28:23.600 But I don't really care about the unbelievers at this point. Like we've been through so much the last four years that, uh, if you're going to like, say like, we need, you know, we're going to, we need to rely on the science at this point. 1.00

00:28:34.820 I'm just like, nice.

00:28:36.840 Well, we'll, we'll go explore those things and you guys can catch up. Um, but that hitchhiker effect is, is also important to talk about top, right?

00:28:44.240 Because how many times have we heard stories where it's not even just orbs it's like, and this will open the conversation to something much bigger, you know, dog, man seemingly has followed me and we've heard story after story, whether it's the confessionals or the bump podcast, or, you know, you name it.

00:29:00.840 There's a bunch of really excellent shows out there in regards to, um, paranormal testimony.

00:29:05.800 And you hear stories about these things keeping pace with their car.

00:29:10.240 I mean, that's like, you know, so if that doesn't scream physical, you know, just to go back to that topic, these trees snapping, sometimes trees that are, you know, I don't know how many inches in diameter around that a human being simply couldn't do it.

00:29:25.880 It seems like something is hiding in the tree line and snapping these like healthy trees.

00:29:32.320 Um, that's, that screams physical to me.

00:29:35.560 So, well, let me ask you this, Tommy, where do you fall on all these things?

00:29:39.440 Let's say in particular, um, the interdimensional aspect or the, the portal aspect.

00:29:46.700 Well, I think there's, there's a strong case to suggest that that's what these, these creatures can do.

00:29:51.100 They can come in and out of our reality.

00:29:52.640 It seems, you know, you get like top trackers that track, track these things for, for miles and all of a sudden they're gone.

00:29:58.680 You know, there's no, you know, how do you explain that, man?

00:30:02.480 You know, if this was a natural animal that could just, I mean, obviously these things are intelligent, you know, they're obviously, if they're as intelligent as us or even more intelligent than us, then they could probably get away from us.

00:30:14.340 I don't know, but it just seems, especially with the portal, I think there's a lot to it, man.

00:30:19.640 I think there's a lot more going on.

00:30:20.840 So, the other thing too, okay, so this is great because what you just brought up is how like sometimes trackers and, and for people that don't understand, you know, the average person who lives in a city could never get a grip on how good these people actually are at, you know, hunters and trackers at finding whatever it is that you can track an animal for a long distance just by following its trail.

00:30:44.520 But then all of a sudden the trail goes cold, it just stops, like they'll come to a point where it's like, I don't know, I guess this creature got airlifted out of here because it just stops, which is not typical of an, of an animal, you know, these things behave in a, in a pretty predictable way, which enables, you know, an entire hunting industry to be built around them, right?

00:31:10.280 That's why you can, you can go on tours reliably with a hunting guide and he knows where the animals are going to pass through.

00:31:18.120 He knows their habits.

00:31:19.000 He knows their trails.

00:31:19.860 He can bring you to a good spot.

00:31:21.020 You're going to end up high, high likelihood.

00:31:22.900 You're going to end up being able to shoot something that day.

00:31:25.340 And, but for whatever reason, if you track this thing, it just stops.

00:31:29.540 And now that opens up another really weird thing.

00:31:33.000 Top kind of a, you know, touched on it a moment ago.

00:31:35.920 You have a Bigfoot sighting, you have a dog man sighting, you have a cryptid sighting.

00:31:39.260 You might also have orbs.

00:31:41.460 You might also have inexplicable lights in the sky.

00:31:44.120 You might have UFOs around these things.

00:31:47.100 That was a big turning point in the Bigfoot culture is when they started to make that connection between Bigfoot and UFOs, that became very uncomfortable.

00:31:59.180 Even I, you know, this was years ago and I was, I was young, but even when I was younger, like I kind of wanted to scoff at that.

00:32:06.160 It felt like, it felt laugh.

00:32:07.860 I don't know what it is like now where I'm sitting, I realized like, oh, there's some veracity to that.

00:32:12.680 But when I was younger and then, and the community first started to make that connection, I looked over, I kind of had a laugh and then I paid it no mind.

00:32:20.800 It's well, cause you'll hear someone talking about their Bigfoot experience and they'll tell you this, the story of how they've seen this creature and stuff like that.

00:32:27.840 And then sometimes they'll go back to their experience and say, and there was these lights as well.

00:32:32.520 But I didn't want to say about that.

00:32:33.600 Cause that's, that sounds crazy.

00:32:35.260 You're like, okay, you just told me you saw a 10 foot tall eight man and the lights sound, you know, but they do seem to be connected.

00:32:42.720 Like in, in so many cases they're connected.

00:32:45.360 There seems to be a connection there.

00:32:47.340 Uh, what it is, I don't know, but it's, as you say, there's, there's, there's something to it, man.

00:32:52.020 I don't know what it is.

00:32:52.860 And if you want to add another layer of, Oh, go ahead.

00:32:56.540 Stop.

00:32:56.740 Sorry.

00:32:57.400 I was going to say like, so naturally with the, like your explorations into, I guess Bigfoot would, would have been your jumping on point sort of, uh, to do this podcast, but that'll lead you to all these other cryptids.

00:33:08.280 Um, but before we go into other cryptids, I just want to like, where are you at on aliens?

00:33:11.740 Because that leads directly into aliens as well.

00:33:14.800 Actually, before Tommy even answers that we are at the 32 minute mark, a great question.

00:33:20.120 And now we're going to yank the content away from the people.

00:33:23.660 If you want to know what Tommy's answer is in regards to, uh, the alien phenomenon, you're gonna have to go to patreon.com backslash Nephilim death squad where you can continue.

00:33:33.080 It is rough.

00:33:33.540 It is rough, but I want to do that.

00:33:34.940 I want to stick them and I want to twist it.

00:33:36.720 All right.

00:33:36.920 That's what I want.

00:33:37.500 I can also tell you as well, just to give you something else.

00:33:40.600 I've got a forest behind me and it's called the devil dog forest.

00:33:44.340 And I can tell you some things that even I've experienced in that forest.

00:33:48.120 The devil.

00:33:48.680 Okay.

00:33:49.160 All right.

00:33:49.440 We're going to get into aliens.

00:33:50.480 We're going to get into the devil dog forest.

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00:34:06.300 So I don't even know what's holding you back. 0.99

00:34:08.020 Disgusting. 0.98

00:34:08.540 All right, guys. 0.94

00:34:09.580 Otherwise we're out of here.

00:34:10.780 We'll see you later.

00:34:11.480 Uh, Tommy. 0.92

00:34:12.520 Okay, man, the devil, the devil dog forest. 0.93

00:34:15.680 Yeah.

00:34:16.060 And that does not sound in America.

00:34:17.440 We have devil dogs.

00:34:18.460 They're delicious.

00:34:19.580 I don't think it's the same thing that you're talking about.

00:34:22.820 So let's start with the werewolf dog man.

00:34:25.720 When I say devil dog.

00:34:26.440 All right.

00:34:26.760 So let's start with the, with the aliens first.

00:34:28.880 Let's, uh, what do you think is going on when it comes to, uh, the, the alien phenomenon?

00:34:32.940 So I, I think there's a connection with all the paranormal, with cryptids, with UFOs, with aliens.

00:34:38.460 I think they all, they're all very similar.

00:34:40.260 Yeah.

00:34:40.800 When you hear someone that's experienced, uh, experiencing a haunting in their house, it can be quite similar to abduction.

00:34:48.720 People that experience abduction, you know, they're very similar.

00:34:51.180 They come hand in hand, you know, they're pretty much sometimes the same thing, but people's perceptions of them are just different.

00:34:57.160 And they, yeah, that, that poltergeist phenomenon, the overlap is huge.

00:35:00.600 Yes, yes.

00:35:01.620 Yeah.

00:35:02.520 And then you'll talk to someone that's experienced abduction and that's very much like, like hauntings as well, you know?

00:35:08.400 So they seem to be connected.

00:35:09.840 I've actually seen UFOs myself, uh, I've seen, I've seen things in the sky.

00:35:15.000 So my first sort of big, I would say, I'm always looking up, I love this stuff.

00:35:19.000 So I'm always trying to see something.

00:35:20.280 And I think if you're always looking up, you're going to see weird things that you can't understand.

00:35:24.440 Sometimes it's Elon Musk is, he's doing stuff up there and that's what it is.

00:35:28.280 But when I was 14 years old, this is going back quite a few years, we was playing soccer in the street.

00:35:34.920 Football really, but we'll say soccer.

00:35:36.520 Thank you.

00:35:37.240 I appreciate that.

00:35:37.880 How dare you?

00:35:38.840 I know, I'm sorry.

00:35:41.640 We're playing soccer in the street, just me, my brother and a few other guys.

00:35:44.760 And we're just, it's what we always used to do during the summer.

00:35:47.480 And this one particular day, I remember it was a beautiful day.

00:35:49.880 It was a clear sky, very hot day.

00:35:52.520 And we're all just playing football.

00:35:53.720 And one of us has stopped and gone, look, what is that in the sky?

00:35:56.280 And we've all just stopped playing football.

00:35:59.160 And this sounds wild, but this 100% happened.

00:36:03.080 There was like this building shaped object in the sky.

00:36:08.440 It was, it was way up there in the distance, but we could see it and it looked like a building.

00:36:13.880 It just looked like a floating building.

00:36:15.880 And I know that sounds wild.

00:36:17.960 And it was like, yeah, it was like, it was like, it was like, you know, the buildings

00:36:23.800 you get in Dubai that are like really futuristic and, and, you know, weird shapes.

00:36:30.200 And, you know, it was like that literally in the sky that it was orange and silver, you know,

00:36:36.680 they were the two main colors coming off this thing.

00:36:39.480 And we were just looking at it like, what the heck is that?

00:36:42.440 You know what?

00:36:43.000 And for about five, 10 minutes, we're trying to work out what it was.

00:36:45.640 Is it a balloon?

00:36:46.360 Is it, you know, but it's, it's huge and it's not moving.

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00:37:16.020 And this, this bugs me, but we just started playing soccer again.

00:37:22.220 You know, we didn't even, we didn't.

00:37:24.260 So obviously whatever reason we got bored of looking at this thing, which is crazy as well.

00:37:28.200 I know.

00:37:28.500 And then we just started playing soccer again.

00:37:30.520 Didn't see it disappear.

00:37:31.520 Didn't see it fly off.

00:37:32.700 Don't remember how that day really ended.

00:37:35.600 So you could say missing time, but I don't think that was the case.

00:37:39.380 But, um, it really weird.

00:37:41.560 I never really talked about it.

00:37:42.820 Out of all the things that I've experienced, I never really talked about that experience.

00:37:46.700 And when I started doing Let's Get Freaky podcast, I was like, okay, what have I experienced?

00:37:50.700 Let's, let's write all this down.

00:37:52.340 And so I've got something to talk about at the start of the show.

00:37:55.720 And, and that sort of wild experience never came to my mind.

00:37:59.820 You know, for whatever reason, it was there, but it never came to my mind.

00:38:02.640 And then I was talking to Paranormal Heart, Cat Wald, and I was on her podcast.

00:38:07.180 It was the very first time I was on a show and, and we were just talking about UFOs and

00:38:11.580 this memory just came back to me.

00:38:13.440 And I was like, wow, I never, I never talked about this, you know, this happened.

00:38:17.980 And I told her what happened.

00:38:20.300 She was like, wow.

00:38:20.980 And I was like, wow, how did I not remember that for all this time?

00:38:24.240 And then my brother rung me up, but the next day, cause he listened to it and he was like,

00:38:28.800 bro, what was it we saw that day?

00:38:31.060 Cause that was mad.

00:38:31.980 And why have we never talked about it?

00:38:33.460 I'm like, I know, I know.

00:38:34.940 I don't know, bro.

00:38:36.580 I'm sure you've, but I'm glad you remember.

00:38:38.940 That's a, like a common theme, right?

00:38:40.880 Like people just for whatever reason, they don't talk about it and they kind of forget

00:38:44.040 about it.

00:38:44.760 Yeah.

00:38:45.120 A hundred percent.

00:38:46.200 And I was so happy that my brother remembered it.

00:38:48.440 So I wasn't like making this memory up, you know, cause you start doubting yourself.

00:38:52.620 You're like that, that was so wild.

00:38:54.240 And, you know, to anyone that's not experienced anything like that, I know you're going to

00:38:57.680 be thinking, really, you know, that was probably a balloon, bro, you know, but it wasn't honestly.

00:39:03.860 I had a very similar experience.

00:39:05.660 One time I was, I was heading over to my buddy's house.

00:39:07.660 He was several towns away and myself, my girlfriend at the time, and my cousin were all driving.

00:39:13.080 So my girlfriend is, you know, in the, in the driver's seat and very early on, even though

00:39:19.000 this is like a 20 minute drive across several towns, I noticed along with my cousin that

00:39:23.900 there is something in the sky and it's just a black stationary thing.

00:39:27.220 It's very hard to tell what it is at the time, but as we get closer to the town that we're

00:39:31.940 going to, we find that we're also getting closer to this object in the sky.

00:39:34.840 Eventually it comes into frame and I am now leant into the back seat, looking up into the

00:39:40.620 sky from the, um, the car's rear window.

00:39:46.000 And as I'm looking into the sky, it looks to me to be a cluster of almost like black 1.00

00:39:53.980 balloons.

00:39:54.360 I say balloons because the, the light was shining on them in such a way that it looked like this,

00:40:00.820 the, the surface or, or, you know, the, the, whatever the material they were made out

00:40:06.340 of almost looked like rubber.

00:40:08.040 It looked rubber and slick and black.

00:40:09.820 And so, you know, you had a lot of shine from the sunlight, but as we got even closer and

00:40:15.240 this thing, by the way, has still not moved its location in the sky, it's in a fixed position,

00:40:19.680 but it itself is moving.

00:40:22.920 It's like undulating.

00:40:24.200 There's like, uh, expanding and contracting and shifting.

00:40:28.420 And to me, it looked like a cluster of black balloons, but all the balloons were like a different

00:40:33.720 shape, which obviously doesn't make any sense.

00:40:35.540 Why would balloons be stationary?

00:40:36.720 Who has a cluster of black balloons? 0.96

00:40:39.160 Each one of them is a different shape.

00:40:40.620 And that's only because, you know, there was no rhyme or reason.

00:40:43.800 I couldn't see if they were spheres.

00:40:45.080 I couldn't see if they were elongated.

00:40:46.580 It was just constantly.

00:40:47.880 And when we got to where we were going, this thing was on the same street above my buddy's

00:40:53.700 house that we were going to.

00:40:54.880 So when we got out of the car, my cousin and I were able to stand in the sidewalk and look

00:40:59.780 up at this thing.

00:41:00.400 And we noticed like some other people were also looking up, but it looked like, um, in

00:41:06.640 hindsight, it looked like black goo.

00:41:09.420 Yeah, there you go.

00:41:10.060 Somebody in the, in the, in the chat said it, uh, black goo again, it looked like black

00:41:14.260 goo.

00:41:14.540 And then it just like, as if, I don't know if you've ever seen the film, uh, the forgotten.

00:41:20.820 I forget who Jodie Foster.

00:41:22.480 I don't think it is Jodie Foster, whoever it is.

00:41:24.520 Um, it's basically about abductions.

00:41:27.360 And the closer this lady gets to figuring out what the hell's going on, why these people

00:41:30.860 are going missing, the more of these things start to interact with her.

00:41:33.660 And eventually, uh, it, it sucks like her boyfriend out of the house through the roof.

00:41:40.360 It sucks the roof off the building, but the way that it sucks him into the sky is the 0.87

00:41:45.140 same way that this thing just got sucked out.

00:41:47.360 Like it was like, it just either shot out into imperceivable space.

00:41:52.060 Like it got too far to see, uh, or it was snatched out.

00:41:55.120 And then that was it.

00:41:56.100 And to your point, Tommy, I literally went inside my buddy's house and then played video

00:42:00.100 games.

00:42:00.720 Yeah.

00:42:01.100 Like it didn't even, we didn't even talk.

00:42:03.020 We made it talk about it.

00:42:03.920 Like, Oh, what the hell was that?

00:42:04.820 I don't know, dude.

00:42:05.460 And then you just move on Julian Moore.

00:42:07.340 Thank you.

00:42:07.900 The deaf, not egg faces Julian Moore, right? 0.63

00:42:09.940 That was who it was.

00:42:10.660 It's a great film actually.

00:42:11.560 The forgotten.

00:42:12.380 Um, but yeah, so it just goes to show you, like you can have the strangest thing happen.

00:42:16.980 And I've, I've been subjected to a lot of strange things.

00:42:19.120 I know you're, you're saying that you live in front of, uh, uh, what is it?

00:42:22.340 Uh, dog man's forest.

00:42:26.060 You have these experiences.

00:42:28.120 There's simply no place to go because you can't wrap it up and understand it.

00:42:33.120 And that lack of closure makes it so that your only other option is just to

00:42:37.880 sort of walk away from it.

00:42:39.420 And then you do that for like the remainder of your life until it comes up on an unhinged

00:42:42.900 podcast.

00:42:43.740 Yeah.

00:42:43.940 That's why I started, let's get freaky.

00:42:45.600 It's like therapy for me, really.

00:42:47.480 You know, I can sort of sit there and hear people's experiences and it sort of validates

00:42:52.240 what you've experienced as well.

00:42:53.540 You know?

00:42:54.260 So I had this other world, I'd say UFO experience as well.

00:42:59.020 This, this was when I was 25 and I was living in Brentwood, Essex in the UK, obviously.

00:43:04.080 And we was in a block of flats, four storeys higher and we were on the fourth floor.

00:43:09.660 Okay.

00:43:10.100 And it was, again, this was another beautiful summer's day, middle of the day, really nice

00:43:13.920 day.

00:43:14.440 And me and my mother-in-law both saw this.

00:43:16.400 So I was so happy that she was there as well.

00:43:18.940 And we saw this together, but we were sort of looking out, out into like, we had like a

00:43:24.140 little forested area opposite the flats and literally out of the forest came these three

00:43:28.960 objects and they weren't very big, they were quite small, but they were like the size of

00:43:32.620 a basketball, but there was three of them and we could see it very clearly that they

00:43:36.880 came out and they were like constantly changing shape.

00:43:40.820 So they were like, they, they seem to be connected because they were like sort of floating around

00:43:45.340 each other, but they weren't actually touching and they were constantly changing shape and

00:43:51.320 they were like this silvery metallic sort of, you know, you know, when the Terminator is

00:43:55.160 melting in the Terminator, it looked like that's how it looked like.

00:43:59.180 That's literally how the texture looked.

00:44:02.120 And we could see this and we're both looking at what the balloons again, what are they balloons?

00:44:06.520 And they were literally constantly moving, constantly changing and they, but they were

00:44:11.400 like sort of keeping the same distance from each other without actually touching.

00:44:16.580 And they were just spinning around and around and around, moving up very slowly to the sky.

00:44:22.060 Now we're looking and we're trying to work out.

00:44:23.600 And it really bugs me because I had my, I had an iPhone at this point, so I could have

00:44:27.340 pulled it out and started recording, but I didn't even think of doing that at the time.

00:44:30.680 And, and we're watching and they're going up and up and up.

00:44:34.160 And then all of a sudden you just saw flash, flash, flash.

00:44:37.860 These things just shut off.

00:44:39.920 Now the whole experience was wild, but I guess if we didn't see that, you could have gone,

00:44:45.020 okay, that could have been some sort of balloon.

00:44:46.920 You know, it wasn't a balloon, but it could have been, it was moving in one direction.

00:44:50.680 It was going up to the sky, could have been something like that.

00:44:54.180 But the way they shot off sort of confirmed that that wasn't, that wasn't anything that

00:44:59.240 we knew.

00:45:00.300 Right.

00:45:00.780 That wasn't a cluster of balloons that you pick up in the supermarket.

00:45:04.100 Yeah.

00:45:04.440 No, that wasn't tin foil.

00:45:05.960 That was just sort of looking perfect at the time.

00:45:09.340 Made it look like a UFO.

00:45:10.200 This was something very strange.

00:45:11.720 And we both at the family parties now, whenever we're at family parties, me and my mother-in-law,

00:45:15.720 we sit there and we talk about this because I love it.

00:45:18.140 And she, she's quite into it as well.

00:45:20.040 And, and you see the other family members looking over like, yeah, really?

00:45:25.240 You guys both lost your minds together.

00:45:26.920 Are you sure?

00:45:27.520 Was you drinking that day?

00:45:28.980 Like, no, no, we saw that man.

00:45:30.920 And it was, it was pretty cool.

00:45:33.120 It's strange, right?

00:45:33.980 Like, uh, I had a, I, I, I think I saw a UFO recently and I had no inclination to pull

00:45:42.100 my phone out.

00:45:42.960 Yeah.

00:45:43.540 So what happened is I'm looking out over the trees in my, my house and I'm looking up and

00:45:50.240 I see this shiny thing and it kind of like goes across and I see it and then it goes far

00:45:56.280 away.

00:45:56.560 Like it shoots away in the distance, but super fast, way fast.

00:46:00.340 Cause I live on a road that they fly airplanes off of.

00:46:04.220 So I see airplanes all the time.

00:46:05.920 I'm like, this is not an airplane.

00:46:06.920 So I looked at it. 0.91

00:46:07.440 I was like, that's fucking weird anyway. 0.81

00:46:10.220 And then a couple of minutes later, the same thing happened, like literally the same path. 0.92

00:46:15.800 And this is like maybe two minutes, three minutes later, same path.

00:46:20.000 And I look at it again. 1.00

00:46:20.760 I said, look at this shit. 1.00

00:46:21.720 And then it flies off. 1.00

00:46:23.620 And I was like, that's crazy. 0.99

00:46:25.780 So I go, wow, anyway, and then fucking again, four times this happened. 0.97

00:46:32.960 And not once did I think, let me put my phone out. 0.98

00:46:35.960 Right.

00:46:36.240 No, you don't.

00:46:37.140 But it's also, what are the chances of this happening?

00:46:39.240 It happened exactly the same way, four straight times.

00:46:42.400 And it was like this glittery thing in the sky.

00:46:44.360 Now if it moved across normally, but when it moved away from me is when I'm like, there's no way.

00:46:49.860 Cause I could see that it's going, uh, what is this?

00:46:52.800 It's north, south.

00:46:54.460 Oh, sorry.

00:46:54.900 So I thought it's going east at a speed that I can't comprehend because it's just gone and four straight times.

00:47:01.420 And not once did I even think about, uh, even like, I didn't even touch my phone.

00:47:07.000 I was just like looking at him.

00:47:08.340 Like, this is incredible.

00:47:09.400 You're seeing something amazing.

00:47:10.640 Yeah.

00:47:10.820 It's like when people say about like the Bigfoot videos, and I know there's a few sketchy ones out there that are not real.

00:47:15.880 We know that.

00:47:16.820 But then you, there are some out there that are pretty like, I know that we've got the Patterson Gimlin film, which in my opinion, that's real because it's too like amazing.

00:47:25.680 Like the detail and stuff for the sixties, for them to produce something like that.

00:47:29.440 I don't think they would have been able to do it.

00:47:31.620 But then there's a, there's a few other videos that are like questionable, but people are always like, yeah, but it's blurry, you know?

00:47:36.940 Yeah.

00:47:37.380 But if you're, if you're seeing a Bigfoot, right.

00:47:39.540 And you, and you have thought to get your phone out, to take a video, you're going to be shaking.

00:47:44.180 You're going to be all over the place.

00:47:45.500 You're not going to get that perfect shot, man.

00:47:47.220 I would, I wouldn't have thought, you know, but even if it's so a lot of, even, even with a professional camera, like I just, I just got one yesterday. 0.87

00:47:54.860 I don't fucking know how to use this thing.

00:47:56.960 Like it's my quality should be like way better than it looks right now. 0.97

00:48:00.760 But I have, and this is a very good camera.

00:48:03.080 So now that you're talking about with your phone probably, and you're like, what is this thing?

00:48:07.380 Most people have no clue about light exposure, things like this.

00:48:10.480 It's like, what do you expect?

00:48:12.300 The theory around these things is evolving so much.

00:48:14.940 Right.

00:48:15.200 And even when it comes to the UFO phenomenon.

00:48:17.280 So when it comes to the Bigfoot thing and the blurry pictures, this idea that predators, right, like, like tigers and things like that, even gators can do this.

00:48:28.500 If you're ever near a gator, it'll, it'll, it's, it's actually kind of terrifying.

00:48:32.360 It will emit this deep guttural growl that is almost akin to like infrasound.

00:48:38.980 And in small prey animals, it can actually cause almost like a sense of paralysis because the fear is so intense.

00:48:47.320 And that is certainly something that people have experienced when they have a run in with a cryptid.

00:48:52.880 There's this vibrational aspect.

00:48:55.000 It causes you to shut down and to, and to lock up, right?

00:48:59.060 It's like fight, flight, or freeze.

00:49:01.260 But this seems this freeze aspect almost seems to be the result of either technology or a natural biological function.

00:49:08.380 You would imagine that if a tiger can emit.

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00:49:38.380 If you have a low frequency growl that can paralyze its prey and you could even feel it resonating through your body,

00:49:45.780 that's something that is in excess of like, you know, eight, nine, sometimes it's like 12 feet tall.

00:49:51.600 And it's this massive creature that's able to snap healthy trees or, you know, send a limb flying through the air or what have you.

00:50:02.520 Maybe then you're experiencing a much more intense version of that.

00:50:05.640 But that's what I love about this field of study is how much the information evolves over time.

00:50:10.440 It's not just, it's not just that.

00:50:12.540 Like, so we're, we're also learning some, uh, some new stuff.

00:50:16.100 Uh, well, this is old information, but, uh, the UFO that originally crashed in Roswell was taken down by, uh, like radar,

00:50:23.960 some sort of sonar that was new for us.

00:50:26.500 Oh, it was a vacuum, uh, vacuum tube, something like that.

00:50:30.720 I have it written down.

00:50:32.440 Yeah.

00:50:32.560 It was like a vacuum tube radar that they were using and they're like, what's that? 0.99

00:50:35.580 And they pointed it at the UFO and the UFO was like, shit, bro. 0.99

00:50:38.360 And just crashed. 0.99

00:50:39.500 So they're emitting some sort of frequency at this high technology.

00:50:43.920 And this thing doesn't, I mean, it's, it's a loophole, I guess, in its, uh, in its construction and it crashed.

00:50:50.160 And then they, then they went on a concerted effort to try to crash as many as they could.

00:50:54.620 And I think that they were pretty successful in that.

00:50:56.340 And then whatever was making these crafts probably adjusted.

00:50:58.940 So when you think about that, and then you think about, uh, what's the correct way to put this?

00:51:06.720 Like this, uh, this sort of, I mean, they're, they're stories of Bigfoot doing this like weird telekinesis sort of thing,

00:51:14.060 which I think would also be perceived in vibration. 0.98

00:51:17.260 So if it is emitting this stuff, if it's aware of you, it can probably emit a vibration that'll jam your shit up. 0.95

00:51:25.640 Um, and whether it's done on purpose, I don't, I don't know. 0.89

00:51:29.160 Um, maybe it's just a side effect of what it is.

00:51:32.200 Yeah, man.

00:51:33.380 Yeah.

00:51:34.080 And, and you, you hear a lot of people that see these creatures talk about like mind speak, like the telepathy, that these things can communicate through your mind.

00:51:41.980 They get like, they get like sentences and, you know, which is similar to the abduction.

00:51:46.680 You know, when people, you know, get abducted and they, they get the mind speak and these things can communicate telepathically.

00:51:53.820 It seems to be like a similar, they're connected, you know, in some way, maybe.

00:51:58.340 Um, I wanted to say before too, that line of thought that I was going on with the infrasound. 0.99

00:52:02.720 If you have like a vehicle that, um, has a really substantial sound system in it and you hit it with a lot of heavy bass.

00:52:08.880 I was watching a video just like a couple of days ago of, uh, the, the door, the car door where it's thinner at the top, where like, if you raise the window, it would meet the top of the door.

00:52:19.440 So that is actually because of the frames per second on the camera, it's vibrating, but the, the camera is only able to perceive it actually as like a wave.

00:52:28.660 Like it's, it looks like the car door, despite being made of sheet metal is now turned into some other substance where it's.

00:52:36.280 So if, if you're able to do that with base to actually vibrate something that it becomes distorted, even to the human eye or a camera, if these things are emitting an infrasound and you're trying to photograph them,

00:52:47.360 they would look incredibly blurry, right?

00:52:50.140 Because it's the same concept as having your base turned all the way up in a very loud sound system in the car.

00:52:54.540 So I think that a lot of the, a lot of the theories surrounding this, and this is bringing us back to the UAP or the UFO conversation.

00:53:03.000 There you go. I mean, that's incredible.

00:53:05.000 Yeah, that's incredible.

00:53:06.900 And you'll see that, like I said, a whole car door.

00:53:10.320 That's vibrating as an E note, like a low E note.

00:53:13.240 And then, you know, obviously if you know the guitar there, there's the B and you can see that you can,

00:53:17.280 you can actually see the sign frequency of what it sounds like as it vibrates and then it tapers off, but it's, yeah.

00:53:24.380 So to think that that's not happening on a different level when, when something that huge,

00:53:30.120 you're trying to record it or trying to interface with it is like kind of, kind of a bizarre to not, it's a multi,

00:53:36.960 it obfuscates your image.

00:53:38.800 It also, so it makes you harder to perceive like in the forest, right?

00:53:42.060 It's actually a great, if you, if you wanted to call this,

00:53:44.660 like if you believe in evolution and you think this is an evolutionary trait,

00:53:48.120 it's a genius one because it, anything that you would walk,

00:53:51.860 bump into that's adversarial, you know,

00:53:53.680 I don't think anything is really going to be a predatory animal to a Bigfoot,

00:53:58.620 but if it didn't want to, you know,

00:54:00.840 let's just say a Bigfoot doesn't necessarily want to tango with the bear that it came across.

00:54:05.180 If it emits this thing, it's going to send that thing running.

00:54:08.140 It's, it's either going to be paralyzed with fear or it might actually obfuscate the ability to see it,

00:54:13.520 you know, something like that.

00:54:14.300 So it's actually a great trait.

00:54:16.040 It's kind of cool in that way.

00:54:17.700 But the same way that the Bigfoot narrative has developed over time is the same way that the UAP narrative has developed

00:54:23.380 because we used to look at these things as just nuts and bolts.

00:54:26.400 But now the, the floodgates have been open into the way of like speculating if these things are organics,

00:54:35.180 if they're, if they're plasma even, right?

00:54:37.540 If there's some sort of like a, like a, a pseudo physical light, you know,

00:54:42.320 where maybe something we haven't interacted with before, but it is a natural phenomenon because, you know,

00:54:49.320 what Top's talking about how this thing takes off in such a dramatic way,

00:54:52.860 you can't even perceive how fast it's going because you, you know, it's just the scale of it is very confusing,

00:54:57.360 but it shouldn't be moving that fast.

00:54:58.980 Well, whatever is inside would get scrambled, right?

00:55:01.480 Like the G forces would just turn it into putty.

00:55:03.800 So maybe, maybe there's a different, you know, if you go to, what's his name?

00:55:09.120 The guy from S2, Bob Lazar, he's talking about a, an element that allows you to bend space time around you.

00:55:17.580 So you're actually not propelling forward like a combustion engine,

00:55:20.900 but instead you're folding space time or like, I even know what that means.

00:55:24.020 I don't, but that kind of suggests that whoever's inside has their own gravitational base that they're operating from.

00:55:30.480 So they're not feeling any of these G forces and they're not even feeling disoriented when they go upside down,

00:55:35.200 because if you're inside the craft upside down is still right side up to you.

00:55:38.660 So maybe there's that, or maybe there is no pilot in some cases,

00:55:42.580 maybe this isn't a thing that can be piloted.

00:55:44.860 Maybe this is some sort of sentient, intelligent matter that we just don't know.

00:55:50.180 So it's like, dude, I kind of love that about it.

00:55:53.300 It used to just be nuts and bolts and now it's something different.

00:55:56.540 Yeah.

00:55:57.060 Yeah, man.

00:55:57.880 Yeah.

00:55:58.880 It blows my mind, man.

00:56:00.500 That is for sure.

00:56:02.300 Like it could be some artificial intelligence that obviously we can see where the world is going right now with AI.

00:56:08.520 AI, like it's definitely moving at a fast pace.

00:56:11.540 Scary things are possibly very much around the corner when it comes to AI.

00:56:15.960 You know, is this an advanced AI that we just don't understand yet that maybe is already out there that we just, they don't tell us about basically.

00:56:23.220 Well, here in America, not long ago, we had like this, like drone saga that was taking place in Top and I were looking at it very closely.

00:56:32.780 It was happening over the tri-state area, New York, New Jersey, and that's where we're originally from.

00:56:38.180 And just the conversation, I mean, that gets into a whole bag of worms, that topic, but the conversation alone surrounding drones is like, you know, some of them, it was a lot of weird phenomenon happening.

00:56:52.000 Where from the street level, it would look like a plane, but then you would notice that it's way too low to be a plane because even though it looks like one, if a real plane was at that height, it would be massive and you would be able to hear it.

00:57:06.480 But this thing is silent and the scale is all messed up.

00:57:09.700 And in fact, it kind of looks weird.

00:57:10.820 It doesn't look like it has any logos or symbols on it.

00:57:14.540 And when you zoom in on it, for some reason, it turns into an orb or sometimes people, and this is New Jersey senators saying this.

00:57:22.340 That he watched one turn into an orb, just flat out.

00:57:26.500 Like it was a thing that looked like a drone.

00:57:28.900 And then over time, it just turned into an orb.

00:57:32.200 And so now that whole concept of like, you know, I don't know what's going on with that.

00:57:36.700 That's been put to bed.

00:57:37.440 But it's like that whole idea of an unmanned craft that seemingly can camouflage or shapeshift even.

00:57:46.580 And there's a big movie called Nope.

00:57:50.380 I think it was.

00:57:51.240 Yeah, I saw that.

00:57:52.200 Yeah.

00:57:52.620 It was a good one.

00:57:53.600 And I forget what the guy's name is.

00:57:55.900 I typically don't like what he makes because it's always got some sort of like left-leaning political agenda attached to it.

00:58:01.740 But this was fun enough.

00:58:03.320 And what it opened the door for in regards to conversation was organics, right?

00:58:08.760 Like these upper atmospheric jellyfish that, by the way, during the drone incursion in New Jersey,

00:58:15.700 we were getting videos of what looked to be like these plasmic electric jellyfish just kind of floating along through the sky.

00:58:25.360 And one of them in particular was seen over New York, and it was seen by multiple different angles.

00:58:32.740 So we were able to watch like all these different videos of the same object.

00:58:36.220 And then, of course, you even saw that same object just in entirely different geographical locations, you know, nowhere near New York.

00:58:43.160 So there is one of the guys' names, Cryptids of the Corn, I think his name is Justin.

00:58:50.760 We had him on really early in the show's development, and he brought this idea to the table of upper atmospheric organic creatures, you know,

00:59:00.840 that we would perceive potentially as UFOs, but might actually be more akin to like a jellyfish or some sort of oceanic creature.

00:59:09.200 But these are living organisms in the sky.

00:59:11.440 Yes, yes.

00:59:12.480 And it's like, dude, that, I mean, how advanced things have gotten from the, you know, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s,

00:59:21.080 and then where we are now in 2025, it's almost like everything is possible.

00:59:28.900 100%.

00:59:29.460 And when I say everything, that's a range from like nuts and bolts, reverse engineered craft,

00:59:35.420 and then all the way to, I don't know, physical light that can manifest, shapeshift, and is intelligent.

00:59:46.040 It's like, what the hell, man?

00:59:48.060 Yeah, man.

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01:00:19.080 And he created somehow, I don't know how, my mind is not scientific at all, but he created this camera that can look to the sky and it basically films objects that you can't see with a human eye.

01:00:34.520 And he was catching all these incredible, like jellyfish-shaped objects, like living organisms.

01:00:41.140 And it started for him, basically, it was like Christmas Eve, I think it was, or Christmas Day.

01:00:45.820 He was out walking the dog and he saw like a UFO in the sky.

01:00:49.500 And he said it blew his mind and it opened him up to all this sort of stuff.

01:00:53.500 And he started looking into it all.

01:00:55.300 And this is how he went down that rabbit hole of creating his own camera and incredible stuff, man.

01:01:01.980 And he's caught all these images of these different objects in the sky that look like, you know, they're living in the ocean, basically.

01:01:08.940 You know, it looks, that's how it looks.

01:01:11.120 And you can't see it with a naked eye.

01:01:12.880 And it just makes you think that there's a lot up there that we just can't, even the human eye just can't see it, you know?

01:01:18.080 Yeah, we recently spoke to Crow777, or is it, yeah, it's not 666, right, 777.

01:01:23.860 And he's documented a second sun.

01:01:27.260 And he has like, you know, a telescope with like photographic lens on it.

01:01:31.780 But when it's tuned to a certain setting, you can see different things.

01:01:37.740 And he also plays around with it.

01:01:39.620 It's like a, it becomes weird, right?

01:01:42.540 Because if you're creating your own camera and then pointing it at the sky, someone will accuse you of looking for something.

01:01:50.300 But on the other hand, you know, guys will, they'll use a PCR test and dial it up and be like, this is COVID, you know?

01:01:56.660 So it's like, I don't really, I don't know if, I guess the science is different, but this is what this guy is doing.

01:02:03.660 And he showed us some photographic evidence where you can see a second body or a second entity behind the sun.

01:02:10.820 And when, yeah, when the camera's like dialed to a certain, to a certain setting, you can actually see these phenomenon.

01:02:17.580 And he'll also get like pretty close up to the sun, but he's been photographing it for what, like a decade, more than that?

01:02:24.220 Something like that, yeah.

01:02:25.000 I think he said since about 2015, maybe a little bit before that.

01:02:28.160 But yeah, so he's, they're also speculating that there's an event that's going to be going down with this second sun, because it's like now in our, I guess it's back in our alignment, in our, in our solar system, if you believe in space or whatever you'd like to say about it.

01:02:43.800 And it kind of lines up with everything else that's been going on.

01:02:46.760 Like, you know, Abramovic talking about 2025, Baba Vanga talking about 2025.

01:02:53.320 Alice Bailey.

01:02:54.940 Yeah.

01:02:55.080 Yeah, it looking like this is the end of days.

01:02:58.040 We just had like this planetary alignment going on.

01:03:01.260 There are craft in the sky.

01:03:03.820 People are photographing organic, I guess, UAPs or whatever the hell in the sky.

01:03:09.760 It feels like something is going on where we're being given the insight to look at this stuff in a different way.

01:03:18.800 And I often think like, are we even be like, we're being given the insight.

01:03:22.640 Like, are we being pushed in that direction?

01:03:26.380 Like, this show, your show, our show popped up, I guess, a year ago.

01:03:31.280 But like, there have been a lot of people who are doing what we do and looking at it from this specific angle.

01:03:38.800 And it shouldn't, it shouldn't have been this way.

01:03:42.340 Like, I was doing something else with my life. 0.71

01:03:44.580 And David was always kind of crazy.

01:03:46.000 But I was, I was focused elsewhere.

01:03:48.140 And now so many people are tuned into this, like, are directly looking at what is going on, because it's significant.

01:03:56.060 A hundred percent, man.

01:03:56.900 Once you go down the rabbit hole, there's no coming out.

01:03:59.420 And that's the problem with this stuff.

01:04:01.200 Like, and then you're stuck.

01:04:03.260 I don't think you can get out of it, man.

01:04:04.460 Once you're, you meet people that just want to do their job.

01:04:08.100 And I get that, you know, they want to do their job, look after their family.

01:04:11.200 And that is, that is very important.

01:04:12.760 I get that.

01:04:13.560 And they don't want to deal with all this wild stuff that we, that's thrown at us.

01:04:18.360 And guys like us talk about.

01:04:20.380 But once you go down the rabbit hole and you know that there's more going on, you know, we don't quite know exactly what it is.

01:04:25.680 But it's, it's addictive, man.

01:04:27.920 And somebody's got a much better idea than we do, though, because one of the things that conjoins this conversation between UAPs and, you know, orbs and Bigfoot and cryptids are the locations that these things are often seen at.

01:04:43.460 And that location is often a military base.

01:04:47.580 And that becomes very, not confusing.

01:04:53.520 To me, it's not confusing.

01:04:54.560 I mean, maybe to other people, it's confusing, but it seems like there is some aspect of our military industrial complex that is geared towards maybe more than understanding these things.

01:05:08.180 And the reason that I say more than understanding is because oftentimes these bases are the location for cryptid sightings, dogman sightings.

01:05:15.580 In fact, it's gotten so prolific that a theory has been birthed that maybe these things are, you know, because it's like, where do they come from?

01:05:23.920 Are they interdimensional?

01:05:24.980 Are they biological, physical creatures that inhabit the planet?

01:05:28.140 And we just, you know, they're awfully elusive and we don't see them that often.

01:05:31.480 Are they being created somewhere in a chimeric lab setting that the military is conducting?

01:05:37.240 And it's like maybe all of those things.

01:05:39.160 Why not?

01:05:39.540 Why not all of those things?

01:05:40.500 And so that theory that's kind of emerged out of that is that these things are being created on site or brought in on site potentially, right?

01:05:48.940 Because you have these particle accelerators all over the world.

01:05:53.500 And, you know, the big concern with them is whether or not they're opening portals.

01:05:56.920 And there's a lot of lore to that as well.

01:06:00.760 So maybe they're bringing them in.

01:06:02.160 Maybe they're creating them.

01:06:03.100 But then they seem to be tasked with guarding the base.

01:06:05.880 And that's something that you hear a lot.

01:06:07.460 In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Justin of Cryptids of the Corn, when he came on, he talked about seeing something on the base of a particle accelerator that he accidentally found himself on.

01:06:24.140 I don't think he meant to be there.

01:06:25.780 He was just exploring the woods, ended up having some strange encounter, and then ended up being descended upon by, you know,

01:06:33.160 I don't know if it's military personnel as much as it was official government personnel telling him he's got to get the hell off the property.

01:06:39.320 And then lo and behold, he was on the site of a particle accelerator.

01:06:42.980 So that combination there of, like, whatever the military is doing, you know, the scientific community, the intelligence communities, the military intelligence communities, and then these sightings, right?

01:06:54.900 Because we know, like, there's an aspect, and this goes into the same thing, right?

01:06:58.100 When we talked about Dogman, it's like, what is it?

01:06:59.740 Is it physical?

01:07:00.300 Is it this?

01:07:00.680 Is it that?

01:07:01.660 Even the craft.

01:07:02.940 Is it organic?

01:07:03.900 Is it plasma?

01:07:05.000 Is it reverse engineered craft that the military has gotten their hands on and then created their own thing?

01:07:09.320 It's like, why not all of those things?

01:07:11.220 I think what we're actually dealing with here is so multifaceted that there is, somebody's got to be getting a kick out of watching the conspiracy community speculate and argue with one another about the nature of these things, when it's really like we're all kind of right.

01:07:27.760 Yeah.

01:07:28.500 Yeah, for sure.

01:07:29.520 And all these answers could be right.

01:07:31.380 Like, all the arguments could be, as you said, could be right.

01:07:34.140 There could be truth in all of these things, you know?

01:07:36.120 It might just, with the UFO phenomena, it might not be just one aspect, you know?

01:07:41.640 There might be, there could be alien beings coming from another planet, you know?

01:07:48.240 I don't know.

01:07:48.840 Or it could just be interdimensional.

01:07:50.920 It could be all of them, you know?

01:07:52.340 That might be why there is this confusion and the arguments, you know?

01:07:57.700 And I don't know.

01:07:59.320 You go down one rabbit hole and there's another 10, as you guys know.

01:08:02.300 And it's hard to sort of pinpoint what is really going on.

01:08:07.660 It becomes much more difficult, too, if you consider for a moment that any of the interactions people are having with cryptids or aliens or otherwise, these non-human entities, if there is communication, this whole entire thing becomes muddied if they have the ability to lie about their nature.

01:08:26.300 Then the whole thing gets thrown out of whack, but, and I guess that's just why we're left here to kind of writhe in confusion.

01:08:34.140 But you mentioned living in front of this forest.

01:08:38.540 The devil dog.

01:08:38.940 The devil dog's forest. 0.97

01:08:39.280 The devil dog's forest.

01:08:40.940 And delicious cream-filled pastry forest.

01:08:45.380 And I'm curious, Tommy, what is it that you've had, you know, in regards to experiences?

01:08:52.680 I have to say, I'm the one who's named at the devil dog forest.

01:08:55.180 So, I grew up a devil dog forest.

01:08:58.200 It is, it is, it's a forest behind me, a huge heathland area.

01:09:02.100 And so, when I first moved to this area, so I'm originally from Essex, which is like right next to London.

01:09:06.740 And like most people in 2020, you know, my world changed.

01:09:10.200 And I was like, I need to go somewhere else.

01:09:12.420 You know, I need to get out to the country or to the beach.

01:09:15.740 I'm close to the seaside now.

01:09:17.080 So, that, that's why I moved here.

01:09:18.960 I wanted to get away.

01:09:19.760 I love London, don't get me wrong, but I wanted to get out.

01:09:23.580 I didn't want to be trapped there.

01:09:24.500 If they're going to trap us again, I don't want to be there.

01:09:27.180 I want to be somewhere.

01:09:28.000 One of the smart ones.

01:09:29.120 I want to be somewhere where there's forests and beaches.

01:09:31.220 A lot of people didn't make that decision.

01:09:32.500 A lot of people are still right in the place that they got locked down in.

01:09:35.020 Wild.

01:09:35.360 They're waiting for it again.

01:09:36.480 Yeah.

01:09:36.820 Yeah.

01:09:37.000 It's quite worrying.

01:09:38.360 But for me, that was a big eye-opener.

01:09:39.860 I would have had a bit of a conspiracy in mind.

01:09:41.700 But for me, that was like, yep, this is real now.

01:09:45.440 We've got to go.

01:09:46.420 So, I really want to get to the US.

01:09:48.400 That's my goal.

01:09:50.080 So, I've got to Dorset in the UK and then the next, hopefully, will be the US.

01:09:54.200 That's the goal.

01:09:54.900 So, I moved here in, so it was three years ago now, pretty much.

01:10:00.740 Just, yeah, just about three years ago.

01:10:02.940 And I didn't know anything about the area.

01:10:05.020 We knew the area because we used to come on holiday here for like weekends and stuff.

01:10:08.480 So, we knew the area, but didn't know anyone.

01:10:10.840 Didn't really know about the culture of the place or anything.

01:10:13.440 Even though it's only two hours from where I'm from, it's very different to London.

01:10:17.380 You know, people are very different.

01:10:18.560 They talk different.

01:10:19.320 It's like you're in another country, really.

01:10:21.040 But it's weird.

01:10:23.140 So, I moved to this area.

01:10:24.420 Didn't know anything about the land.

01:10:26.260 We've only moved here because it's got a nice forest behind us.

01:10:28.760 And as I say, we're near beaches and stuff.

01:10:31.400 So, weird things started happening when I first moved here, which I now put towards possibly being involved with the Devil Dog Forest.

01:10:41.180 You know, I'm not saying 100%.

01:10:42.500 So, when I first moved, I've always been like someone who stays up late at night and watches TV or whatever late at night.

01:10:49.200 I've always been a night owl.

01:10:49.960 And when I first moved, I used to hear like a growling outside the window, right outside my window.

01:10:55.840 And we live in a street where there's a lot of people, you know, people have got dogs.

01:11:00.560 You know, we're not in the middle of nowhere.

01:11:02.320 So, it could have been a dog.

01:11:05.760 You know, someone could have been letting their dog out at night and it's growling outside my window.

01:11:09.240 Quite strange at 2, 3 o'clock in the morning, but there we go.

01:11:12.340 So, I had a good time.

01:11:14.140 Not a good time.

01:11:15.100 Not a good time.

01:11:15.220 The witching hour.

01:11:16.260 So, I would hear growling.

01:11:17.880 And I would look out my window and I never saw a dog.

01:11:20.540 And I'm like, okay, this is a bit weird, you know, but, you know, it must be a dog because what else is it, you know?

01:11:27.900 And then, obviously, so we got the forest.

01:11:31.780 So, before, I've got a puppy now.

01:11:33.480 Well, he's 2 years old.

01:11:34.520 But before I had the dog, we still went to the forest every day.

01:11:37.720 I go to the forest every day now with the dog.

01:11:39.500 But before I had the dog, I still used to, like, take the kids up to the forest.

01:11:43.020 And we had this one strange night.

01:11:44.960 Me and my two daughters went to the forest.

01:11:46.980 And it was, like, getting dusk.

01:11:48.660 It wasn't fully dark, but it was getting there.

01:11:50.860 And we're walking to, like, quite a high area in the forest.

01:11:53.980 And my eldest, Amy, just started freaking out.

01:11:57.580 Like, really started freaking out.

01:11:58.980 Very out of character.

01:11:59.860 She's like, Dad, Dad, there's a Bigfoot over there.

01:12:02.320 And she's, honestly, and I know that sounds crazy, like, but she's saying there's a Bigfoot.

01:12:06.900 And I'm like, babe, calm down.

01:12:08.260 There's nothing there.

01:12:09.320 I couldn't see anything.

01:12:10.640 I'm like, there's nothing there.

01:12:11.760 Calm down.

01:12:12.900 I'm thinking, in my mind now, she's watched too much Finding Bigfoot that I watch.

01:12:18.220 And she's sort of imagining this or, you know, scaring herself.

01:12:21.800 But she's like, no, I see it.

01:12:22.980 It's really big.

01:12:23.820 It looks like a Bigfoot with yellow eyes.

01:12:25.560 And she's describing it to me.

01:12:27.120 And I'm like, okay, I'm starting to get freaked out.

01:12:29.620 Let's get home.

01:12:31.200 Let's get home.

01:12:32.400 So we've come back home.

01:12:34.260 I've told the wife about it.

01:12:35.500 I think she's watched one of my documentaries.

01:12:37.460 You know, it's probably that's the case.

01:12:39.180 Which is, you know, wrong with me now when you consider what I talk about every day.

01:12:42.540 You know, yeah, but that's what I put it down to.

01:12:46.800 And then I was talking to someone where I started working.

01:12:49.360 So I started working locally in a night job near where I live.

01:12:53.640 And someone was telling me about the forest that we live in and the history of it.

01:12:58.780 And that it's got a devil dog law. 0.58

01:13:00.420 They call it the devil dog.

01:13:01.700 And apparently it's in books and, you know, stuff like that.

01:13:05.320 And she's telling me that people see like a dog man, how you would describe a dog man.

01:13:10.220 You know, they see red eyes in the forest.

01:13:12.060 And it's like a legend.

01:13:13.520 But she's had experiences where she's seen stuff.

01:13:16.300 And she's like smelt weird stuff.

01:13:18.660 And had weird experiences in the devil dog forest.

01:13:21.720 So I'm like, okay.

01:13:22.500 So that's weird.

01:13:23.260 So I was having the growling.

01:13:25.060 My daughter saw that weird thing in the forest.

01:13:27.580 So I'm like, okay, maybe that's the devil dog.

01:13:29.640 You know, I'm not saying it definitely is.

01:13:32.560 But so that was quite strange.

01:13:35.280 And then we got a puppy.

01:13:37.440 So I've got a little Staffordshire Bulls area now.

01:13:39.820 Lovely little dog.

01:13:40.940 He's fearless.

01:13:41.840 Like he's not scared of anyone or anything.

01:13:43.500 You know, he's a cool little dog.

01:13:45.560 And I take him to the forest every day.

01:13:47.580 And on two occasions, one with me, one with my wife, on separate occasions.

01:13:52.580 So the forest is quite big.

01:13:54.400 So we're always doing different routes and stuff like that.

01:13:56.300 And on this one occasion, me, the kids and the wife were walking the dog through the forest.

01:14:01.460 I'm at the front with Blue, my dog.

01:14:03.480 And all of a sudden, he stopped and just basically cracked himself.

01:14:07.960 You know, there was something he was seeing in front of us.

01:14:11.180 And he's like backing up, backing up.

01:14:13.380 And in this forest, you know, we've got bulls.

01:14:15.580 There's like wild bulls that walk around.

01:14:17.520 And there's loads of stuff that you would think might scare him.

01:14:20.840 But don't scare him.

01:14:21.660 He'd run towards bulls and stuff like that.

01:14:23.500 It's crazy.

01:14:24.220 And but something scared him.

01:14:27.180 Something's freaked him out.

01:14:28.680 And I can't see anything.

01:14:30.480 Right.

01:14:30.680 So there's nothing in front of me.

01:14:32.620 There's nothing that should scare this dog.

01:14:34.640 OK, so I've had to literally pick him up and he's trembling.

01:14:38.000 And I'm walking through this area that he's getting scared all of a sudden.

01:14:41.360 I'm looking around.

01:14:42.500 You know, is there someone here?

01:14:43.720 Is there some other dog or something that's freaking him out?

01:14:47.080 Nothing.

01:14:47.840 Can't see anything.

01:14:49.000 Put him down.

01:14:49.900 We've got through this little area.

01:14:51.280 He's fine again.

01:14:52.200 He's good to go.

01:14:53.080 Nothing.

01:14:53.760 Nothing.

01:14:54.400 What?

01:14:54.820 What?

01:14:55.280 What's going on?

01:14:56.180 Let's go.

01:14:57.160 He's back to normal.

01:14:58.380 But he really was really weird.

01:15:00.960 I've had him for two years now.

01:15:02.320 I've only seen I've only seen him do it once.

01:15:05.300 He took the missus took him out a little while after that.

01:15:07.960 Same sort of thing.

01:15:09.040 He just freaked out this certain area.

01:15:10.660 It wasn't the same area as a different area in the forest.

01:15:12.820 But same thing.

01:15:14.140 Freaked out at nothing. 0.78

01:15:15.920 And I'm not saying that's the devil dog.

01:15:18.780 But he saw something, man.

01:15:20.660 And dogs see things.

01:15:21.560 Dogs like children.

01:15:22.240 They see things that we don't see.

01:15:24.320 He definitely freaked out at something.

01:15:26.460 Something gave him a dog that is pretty fearless, I'll say.

01:15:30.400 You know, he's not scared of any other dogs.

01:15:33.520 You know, he can get quite aggressive to dogs, which I don't like.

01:15:36.180 I'm trying to stop him doing that.

01:15:37.260 But he can.

01:15:38.640 And, you know, but he's not scared of anything.

01:15:41.500 And he was very scared at this moment.

01:15:43.840 Whatever it was, something he could sense or see.

01:15:47.400 So I kind of put that in the devil dog bracket.

01:15:50.380 How did you feel when that happened?

01:15:52.540 Like.

01:15:52.800 I didn't get anything at that moment.

01:15:55.380 Like I didn't get.

01:15:56.380 I was quite freaked out that he was freaked out, to be honest.

01:15:58.700 Right.

01:15:59.120 Because I was like, his dog doesn't get scared.

01:16:01.240 And there's nothing there.

01:16:02.340 I can't see anything unless there's someone hiding in the bushes.

01:16:05.300 But I couldn't see anyone or anything.

01:16:08.320 So it was very strange.

01:16:09.720 That is strange.

01:16:10.700 Then there was another time.

01:16:12.220 So I bought my two daughters new bikes.

01:16:14.700 And we went for a bike ride through the forest.

01:16:17.500 And there was this little area where the girls like to ride off. 0.99

01:16:20.880 And it's not that long.

01:16:22.360 It's like.

01:16:23.760 I don't know, a quarter of a mile or whatever.

01:16:25.920 It's only like a short little ride that they go off.

01:16:28.220 And I can watch them go down this little route.

01:16:30.220 And they come back.

01:16:31.540 So anyway, they've gone down this route.

01:16:33.200 And I'm watching them ride off.

01:16:35.300 And all of a sudden, at the end, this is seeing something.

01:16:38.560 And I'm not 100% sure what it was.

01:16:40.940 But there was like this.

01:16:42.100 I thought it was a fox at first.

01:16:44.000 I'm like, that's a fox.

01:16:45.400 But it was grey.

01:16:46.460 But it looked like the shape of a fox.

01:16:47.900 And it was quite big.

01:16:48.980 And I'm like, that's not a fox.

01:16:50.500 That is a big dog.

01:16:51.920 And I'm like, oh, no.

01:16:52.840 The kids are going right towards it.

01:16:54.220 But anyway, my two daughters both saw this, spun around.

01:16:59.780 You know, they were petrified and started riding back to me.

01:17:02.680 My little daughter, she fell over.

01:17:05.440 And I'm like, go.

01:17:06.820 So I'm just running towards her to pick her up.

01:17:10.100 I've looked up.

01:17:10.900 This thing's gone.

01:17:11.780 Whatever this thing was, it's gone.

01:17:13.640 No owner.

01:17:14.700 Because I'm thinking, OK, it's a big dog.

01:17:16.380 Maybe the owner's called it back or whatever.

01:17:18.280 Maybe it was that.

01:17:20.160 But I picked my little daughter up.

01:17:22.100 I said, you all right, babe?

01:17:22.780 What's your OK?

01:17:23.320 You OK?

01:17:23.640 She went, Dad, it was a wolf.

01:17:24.720 And I was like, well, I don't think it was a wolf, darling.

01:17:28.160 But, you know, and I'm thinking, that did look quite weird.

01:17:33.100 And I was freaked out at that point.

01:17:35.380 At that moment, I was like, whoa.

01:17:37.240 Now, that is pretty wild. 0.65

01:17:40.260 Devil dog, devil dog is going through my mind.

01:17:42.360 And anyway, we've got home.

01:17:44.840 And yeah, that's kind of the experiences I've had there, man.

01:17:47.520 So it's.

01:17:49.000 Is that an area where you're going to get, like, a lot of wildlife

01:17:52.880 that is in excess of the size of, like, you know, raccoons and such?

01:17:57.900 I mean, there shouldn't be wolves there.

01:18:00.100 That's for sure.

01:18:00.900 Right, right.

01:18:01.340 There is big bulls.

01:18:02.500 But I think they're put there by, like, local farmers and stuff.

01:18:05.380 They're owned.

01:18:06.620 But they are, like, running free in that forest.

01:18:09.580 There's horses there.

01:18:10.800 There's deer.

01:18:13.100 You know, snakes, badgers, foxes.

01:18:16.260 But no wolves.

01:18:17.320 There shouldn't be wolves.

01:18:18.000 I mean, big cats, possibly.

01:18:19.620 People see big cats in the UK.

01:18:21.020 And as I said, my mother-in-law saw one 20 years ago in the UK.

01:18:25.660 So, yeah, there could be stuff like that.

01:18:27.380 But very strange, man.

01:18:28.940 Very strange.

01:18:29.680 And I don't like to say that I saw a dog man or a werewolf or whatever.

01:18:33.580 But that is what happened.

01:18:34.880 And that is why I call it the devil dog forest.

01:18:37.620 It's funny because we, especially when it comes to kids,

01:18:40.360 like, we will say that kids have a certain sensitivity.

01:18:42.880 They can perceive these things better than adults can.

01:18:45.760 But it's a two-edged sword because you also have to sort of temper everything you say

01:18:52.260 and be careful not to lead them in a direction where they're going to become,

01:18:55.160 you know, prone to, I don't know, sensationalizing something or, you know,

01:19:00.820 because I think it is, like, you know, my kid will do that with his friends.

01:19:06.200 Like, I remember we used to live in an apartment,

01:19:08.100 and he would play in the hallway with his friends.

01:19:09.760 And all the kids would ever play is there was a stairwell because we were on the third floor.

01:19:15.860 And in the stairwell, there was, like, a monster.

01:19:18.140 That's what they would say.

01:19:19.720 And who knows? 0.99

01:19:20.240 Maybe in hindsight they actually saw some crap. 0.99

01:19:21.940 But that's what the kids would do. 0.99

01:19:24.100 They would all run to the stairwell.

01:19:25.720 And then, you know, there's, like, 12 of them.

01:19:27.940 And the next thing you know, they'd all come running away from the stairwell screaming

01:19:31.060 that they all saw something, but they keep going back.

01:19:33.180 And so, you know, like, kids are prone to doing that.

01:19:35.960 And then it becomes very problematic when your kid can't sleep at night.

01:19:39.760 For me, that's the whole main thing is, like, I just want to be able to sleep.

01:19:43.040 I don't want you to have to crawl into my bed because, you know,

01:19:45.500 you think you're seeing a greasy monster.

01:19:47.260 So what a strange juxtaposition to be in where it's, like, yes, children can perceive these things.

01:19:54.040 Also, when they do, lie to their face.

01:19:56.920 Lie to their face so you'll never get another night of sleep again.

01:19:59.860 You know what I mean?

01:20:00.420 And so it's a hard wire to walk.

01:20:05.000 I have had it with my son that you're protecting them.

01:20:07.860 Because if you're, like, if you're telling them what they're seeing is real, which it

01:20:13.180 might be, you're almost telling them to give it consent, right?

01:20:17.040 And when you do that, that just invites more of it.

01:20:20.080 That's the part that scares me.

01:20:21.960 Because I'm like, could they be making stuff up?

01:20:24.700 Maybe.

01:20:25.200 Depends on the age.

01:20:26.020 Depends on what they've been exposed to already.

01:20:27.840 Depends on your reaction to it.

01:20:29.080 But certainly, if it is happening to them and you kind of, like, feed into it, I don't

01:20:35.300 really know the right answer.

01:20:36.780 I don't know the right answer to it.

01:20:38.440 So with my son, when he was maybe three, and he hadn't been exposed to any of this sort

01:20:44.740 of thing yet at all.

01:20:46.200 Now I know he can hear, like, through the door when I'm doing my show and stuff like

01:20:49.500 that.

01:20:49.700 And he watches, like, so much of the stuff that they gear towards children is spooky.

01:20:54.340 And, like, I really don't like that.

01:20:55.860 But he'll catch a glimpse of it or his friends at school talk about it or whatever.

01:20:58.640 We don't let him watch it at the house because I like to be able to sleep.

01:21:01.680 I also don't want to be tormented by demons.

01:21:03.360 But when he was, like, three, he didn't tell me this until years later, actually.

01:21:09.300 This is just something that happened when he was three.

01:21:11.140 And then he overheard a discussion about it, I think.

01:21:14.880 Or, no, no, he didn't even overhear a discussion.

01:21:16.560 I remember how this went now.

01:21:17.320 So, years later, we didn't even live in the same house.

01:21:22.120 And Netflix had a documentary on sleep paralysis.

01:21:28.280 And the cover photo for that documentary was an image of the hat man. 1.00

01:21:33.140 So, I'm just skimming through, you know, Netflix's shit. 0.99

01:21:37.960 Maybe it wasn't Netflix, maybe Hulu, it doesn't matter. 0.99

01:21:40.080 And he saw that thumbnail.

01:21:42.080 And he goes, I know who that guy is. 0.96

01:21:44.400 And I about shit a brick because I also know who that guy is. 0.86

01:21:48.260 And anybody who's, like, you know, paying attention to the paranormal space knows who the hat man is. 0.97

01:21:52.280 And so, you know, you got to be really careful about how you answer it.

01:21:55.060 And I just try to answer it in a way that I would if he said anything else.

01:21:58.480 Which is like, oh, yeah, okay.

01:22:00.200 That's interesting.

01:22:01.220 Very interesting.

01:22:02.000 And he starts talking about it.

01:22:04.560 He goes, yeah, when we lived in the old house, and I just know he was about three years old when we lived in that house.

01:22:10.480 He goes, I was, I would wake up and I would see him walking up and down the hallways.

01:22:17.740 And other times he said he would see him if he looked out the window, he would see him standing in the driveway underneath the floodlight that goes off when, like, you know, an animal comes by and the floodlight turns on.

01:22:26.620 And he said, when I saw him, I couldn't get up because there was, like, belts all over my body tying me to the bed, which is, like, you know, a child's way of describing sleep paralysis.

01:22:42.500 Yeah.

01:22:42.820 And I go, wow. 1.00

01:22:47.060 Check that shit out, man. 1.00

01:22:48.620 That's crazy. 1.00

01:22:49.100 Shut up, dude. 1.00

01:22:50.100 Shut the hell. 1.00

01:22:51.000 Dude, let me tell you, there was another time, too. 0.99

01:22:52.660 And so when he said that, that's literally, I couldn't feed him anything.

01:22:55.420 Eventually, I did tell him, if you see that guy, call on Jesus Christ.

01:23:00.400 That's what I told him.

01:23:01.640 And I elaborated a little bit more.

01:23:03.200 I said, like, he can't hurt you, but, like, because it comes up in conversation as the years go on again and again.

01:23:08.800 And eventually he gets more and more.

01:23:10.480 And I basically tell him, like, lots of people see him.

01:23:13.680 And we don't know exactly what he wants.

01:23:15.880 But you're not alone.

01:23:16.620 Like, a lot of people have seen him.

01:23:17.440 I've seen him.

01:23:17.980 You know, your grandparents have seen him, yada, yada.

01:23:20.500 Call on Jesus Christ.

01:23:21.700 It'll fix the belts.

01:23:22.880 You'll be able to move again.

01:23:24.140 And he'll go away.

01:23:25.460 And so, you know.

01:23:26.480 It'll fix the belts.

01:23:27.640 It'll fix the belts, yeah.

01:23:28.940 But one time in that house, dude.

01:23:31.940 So it's a two-story house with a finished basement.

01:23:35.360 But when you walk in the front door, you're not on the bottom floor or on the top floor.

01:23:40.240 You're on a landing.

01:23:41.340 And then there's a staircase to go down or there's a staircase to go up.

01:23:44.560 So one day, he walks down the staircase.

01:23:48.160 We're all upstairs.

01:23:49.240 And he goes down to that landing.

01:23:51.280 And he looks into the basement.

01:23:53.880 And he just starts screaming.

01:23:57.820 No words.

01:23:59.740 No nothing.

01:24:00.400 In fact, he was so little.

01:24:01.580 Because in that house, you know, we left by the time he was three.

01:24:04.060 So this could have been two years old or something.

01:24:07.200 He never vocalized what it is he saw.

01:24:09.360 But I know that he was frozen.

01:24:11.840 And he was screaming.

01:24:13.240 And whatever it was had him so terrified that he was in terror.

01:24:18.020 But he could not leave from what he was looking at.

01:24:21.220 I had to rush down and scoop him up.

01:24:23.440 Look down there.

01:24:24.180 There's nothing there.

01:24:25.000 And then bring him back upstairs and, like, console him.

01:24:28.740 So it's just another one of those things, right?

01:24:30.500 Where it's, like, kids can perceive for whatever reason.

01:24:34.540 They're, like, closer to the veil.

01:24:36.840 But then it's, like, what your job is is damage control, right?

01:24:41.280 So you're just trying to help him rationalize this.

01:24:44.600 I don't want to dismiss it.

01:24:45.620 I certainly don't want to tell him that the things aren't real.

01:24:47.660 Because I don't know if that's a good thing to do.

01:24:51.700 Yeah, I don't do that.

01:24:53.440 Because I think they don't want you to.

01:24:55.140 They want you to think they're not real.

01:24:57.220 The longer that they can go without you identifying that this is an intruder.

01:25:02.860 This is something external to yourself.

01:25:05.140 This is something that needs to leave.

01:25:08.080 And that you do, in fact, have the power to get them to leave.

01:25:12.260 They don't want that at all.

01:25:13.700 Because that's where it ends.

01:25:14.700 It ends with you figuring out that through the name of Jesus Christ,

01:25:17.240 so you can expel these things from your home.

01:25:19.520 And, you know, but without that, you can't do that.

01:25:24.200 So they'd rather you think that they're not real at all.

01:25:27.520 A hundred percent, man.

01:25:28.860 I had experiences when I was a kid as well,

01:25:31.180 which is probably why I do this show.

01:25:33.260 Because I saw things as a kid that, you know, for me, this is all real.

01:25:37.660 You know, from an early age, I've never doubted it.

01:25:40.540 So I don't, when my kids see stuff, I don't say, you know,

01:25:43.360 you didn't see that.

01:25:44.600 I'm like, okay, as you said, they can't hurt you.

01:25:47.400 You know, and Jesus' name is very powerful as well.

01:25:50.220 And I'll tell you very recently.

01:25:51.880 So I think having these conversations, you can invite these things in.

01:25:56.420 Yes.

01:25:56.600 Like a hundred percent.

01:25:57.840 Since I started doing Let's Get Freaky,

01:25:59.760 I've always experienced paranormal stuff in my life.

01:26:01.900 But since starting the show, I noticed an uptick of weirdness happening.

01:26:06.080 Yeah.

01:26:06.240 And I was like, I'm inviting this stuff in, man.

01:26:08.200 And it gets scary, as you know.

01:26:11.540 And something quite recently happened in the house where it seemed to be,

01:26:16.000 it wasn't just me experiencing stuff.

01:26:18.080 The kids were experiencing a lot of stuff.

01:26:19.940 The wife started experiencing a lot of stuff.

01:26:22.140 And it got to a point when I was like, wow.

01:26:24.800 And out loud, I said, you know, in Jesus' name, whatever you are,

01:26:29.600 you are not welcome here.

01:26:31.200 Leave. 0.99

01:26:32.220 And it stopped.

01:26:34.200 What was going on stopped.

01:26:36.540 And so a hundred percent, there is so much power there, man.

01:26:40.220 You know what it is?

01:26:40.860 It's like, these things, they don't.

01:26:43.280 So if you've got an enemy that operates by night,

01:26:46.980 they don't want, as long as you don't know they're there,

01:26:50.000 they have a constant advantage.

01:26:51.800 So part of what they do is they don't want you to talk about it.

01:26:55.300 They don't want you to know they're there.

01:26:57.460 The other thing that they do is when you decide to talk about it,

01:27:00.620 you effectively have stepped into the arena.

01:27:02.920 And now it's time for them.

01:27:04.760 I would say what they're doing is it's almost like a writhing, right?

01:27:09.280 It's a last ditch effort. 1.00

01:27:12.500 Shit, he's on to us. 1.00

01:27:15.180 But if we can scare him enough, then, 1.00

01:27:17.540 but that ends up blowing up in their face a lot of the time

01:27:19.660 because I think what a lot of people need is a real moment

01:27:22.800 where they actually see these things.

01:27:24.640 They actually have these experiences.

01:27:26.120 If they're too subtle, you can brush it under the rug,

01:27:28.880 which is what they want.

01:27:30.440 But if it's big enough and you have to then tango with the fact

01:27:33.640 that this thing doesn't fit into your worldview,

01:27:35.620 but it has happened to you,

01:27:37.040 then you have a couple of conclusions to draw

01:27:39.640 or you can ignore it and stay out of the arena.

01:27:43.020 But I think as soon as you get in that arena in a big way.

01:27:45.120 So yeah, to your point, Tommy,

01:27:46.580 you said it started with when you started doing your show

01:27:48.820 that this thing had an uptick,

01:27:50.440 massive uptick in my life as soon as I started doing the show.

01:27:54.260 In fact, the inception of the show,

01:27:56.940 when Top and I had a phone conversation and said,

01:27:59.940 we should do this,

01:28:00.980 that night I was in New Orleans on vacation

01:28:03.920 at the time when he called me.

01:28:05.500 And that night at the stroke of midnight,

01:28:08.200 something banged on my third story hotel room window,

01:28:12.460 which didn't make sense because we didn't have a balcony.

01:28:14.420 And we're on the third story

01:28:16.020 and it's a floor to ceiling panel.

01:28:18.740 And so I wake up to the definitive sound.

01:28:21.320 You know, when you smack on a big glass panel,

01:28:23.740 it resonates.

01:28:24.540 It's like a bong, bong, bong.

01:28:26.300 So that happens.

01:28:27.260 My eyes pop open. 0.99

01:28:28.440 And I'm so accustomed to this shit that I kind of go, 0.99

01:28:32.180 well, I'm in New Orleans and, you know, that checks out. 1.00

01:28:35.920 And so, and I realized my wife didn't hear it.

01:28:37.800 So I go, is what it is. 1.00

01:28:39.640 I've tangled with this shit before. 1.00

01:28:41.160 I'm just going back to bed. 1.00

01:28:42.380 And then as soon as I drift off, I hear it again.

01:28:45.960 But this time it's on a different surface,

01:28:47.680 much more like a door.

01:28:49.860 And my wife pops up and she goes, did you hear that? 0.99

01:28:52.660 And I went, oh shit, man. 0.99

01:28:55.040 So I finally get up out of bed. 0.99

01:28:56.320 And I start walking towards the door to go investigate.

01:28:59.720 I look at the oven and the oven says 12 o'clock on the dot,

01:29:04.100 on the dot, not 1201, 12 o'clock even.

01:29:08.180 And I look out the peephole to the front door

01:29:10.620 and it's got a good panoramic view.

01:29:12.580 So you can see all the way down the hallway

01:29:14.380 on in each direction.

01:29:16.180 Not a soul is in that hallway. 0.99

01:29:17.920 I didn't open shit, right? 0.98

01:29:19.320 Cause you never know if somebody could be crouching there, 0.99

01:29:21.000 but that's not why I didn't open shit. 0.98

01:29:22.880 I just don't think it's a good idea. 0.98

01:29:24.380 When something knocks, you shouldn't open the door.

01:29:27.400 You really shouldn't open the door.

01:29:28.640 And I mean that in a very literal sense.

01:29:30.100 There's a figurative and a literal sense.

01:29:32.260 All of these things operate on consent. 0.99

01:29:34.760 When shit is knocking everywhere, 0.99

01:29:36.020 and I've had the knocking before, 0.99

01:29:37.800 when I started my old show,

01:29:39.780 The Raven's Watch,

01:29:40.860 which was very much the same thing, right?

01:29:42.540 It's like, you know,

01:29:43.240 biblical worldview exploring the paranormal.

01:29:44.940 Um, these things were knocking on all my windows

01:29:48.660 and all my doors all around my house.

01:29:51.100 There was silhouettes of men standing in the window

01:29:53.680 of my niece's bedroom.

01:29:56.160 Uh, there, I mean,

01:29:57.240 we watched black mist scurry across my front lawn 1.00

01:30:01.520 and like so much insane shit. 0.99

01:30:04.420 And I would say it's all because I stepped into the arena. 1.00

01:30:08.440 Yeah.

01:30:08.760 And that's what they,

01:30:10.260 they don't want that.

01:30:12.120 They want you neutral or,

01:30:14.540 you know,

01:30:15.440 in the set,

01:30:16.220 they don't want you aware at all

01:30:17.680 that you're engaged in warfare.

01:30:19.860 Mm-hmm.

01:30:20.220 A hundred percent, man.

01:30:21.280 I had it literally a few weeks ago in this room.

01:30:24.780 So I,

01:30:25.400 I normally work early hours of the morning.

01:30:27.940 So it's about the witching hour,

01:30:29.280 like three o'clock in the morning again.

01:30:30.660 And I just heard,

01:30:31.660 I don't know if you can hear it through this,

01:30:32.660 but just like that,

01:30:34.520 like that loud,

01:30:35.640 that loud and just constant.

01:30:38.420 Like it wasn't stopping.

01:30:39.500 And I'm like,

01:30:39.960 what the,

01:30:40.580 oh,

01:30:40.740 my dog started barking.

01:30:42.680 But I,

01:30:43.480 I literally,

01:30:44.400 I'm like looking around the,

01:30:45.440 and it's just going off.

01:30:46.400 Tap,

01:30:46.760 tap,

01:30:46.960 tap,

01:30:47.160 tap,

01:30:47.320 tap,

01:30:47.520 tap,

01:30:47.680 tap.

01:30:48.020 And I'm looking around and I'm like,

01:30:50.340 this is wild.

01:30:51.080 Like in my mind,

01:30:51.960 I'm like,

01:30:52.260 something must have fallen and he's bouncing.

01:30:54.360 You know,

01:30:54.480 that's the only thing it could be,

01:30:55.900 but there's nothing fallen.

01:30:57.380 Nothing's bouncing.

01:30:58.500 And I just started like laughing to myself.

01:31:00.280 I was like,

01:31:00.520 this is crazy,

01:31:01.240 man.

01:31:01.460 And then it stopped.

01:31:02.280 And I was like,

01:31:03.680 what am I doing?

01:31:04.080 I think the,

01:31:04.840 the knocking.

01:31:06.240 So the knocking is something that a lot of people might be familiar with.

01:31:10.940 There's a,

01:31:11.500 there's something that they like,

01:31:13.800 I don't know,

01:31:15.120 colloquially.

01:31:16.840 I'm going to make up a word there.

01:31:17.760 I'm not going to do that.

01:31:18.400 There's something that they call.

01:31:19.620 Go ahead.

01:31:20.140 Try it.

01:31:22.460 Colloquially.

01:31:23.400 I know that word.

01:31:24.460 Yeah.

01:31:24.740 You know what I'm saying,

01:31:25.320 dude.

01:31:26.460 They call it,

01:31:27.400 it's a phenomenon that,

01:31:29.020 you know,

01:31:29.500 sometimes the scientific community or the medical industry will give something a name.

01:31:33.220 And that creates like this air of,

01:31:35.500 I don't know,

01:31:36.120 like we understand it,

01:31:37.100 but we definitely don't understand it.

01:31:38.480 They call it exploding head syndrome.

01:31:40.060 You could look it up.

01:31:41.100 And it's this idea that like people are woken up out of sleep by like somebody shouting their name or somebody banging on something.

01:31:47.780 I've heard that.

01:31:48.160 Yeah.

01:31:48.560 Yeah.

01:31:48.860 The banging is a really common one.

01:31:51.100 I've had that experience myself.

01:31:53.060 And,

01:31:53.480 and it's like a knocking.

01:31:55.360 And I think,

01:31:56.260 you know,

01:31:56.900 it's like that vampire rule.

01:31:59.860 There was a movie called let,

01:32:01.320 let the right one in,

01:32:02.100 I think,

01:32:02.600 came out like a decade ago.

01:32:04.980 And they really got into that.

01:32:06.920 Like you have to,

01:32:07.660 so there's a girl that plays a vampire. 0.99

01:32:09.660 I think she loves like a,

01:32:11.140 a boy.

01:32:12.040 And,

01:32:12.740 but they go through this thing where she has to be invited in.

01:32:16.360 So I think that knocking is so much more significant than people might imagine.

01:32:20.920 And I don't think it's what is a door?

01:32:24.400 What is a window?

01:32:25.660 These are portals,

01:32:27.020 right?

01:32:27.260 Literally in the most literal sense,

01:32:28.600 it's called a portal.

01:32:29.460 It's the entry point from one place into another.

01:32:32.960 And so the,

01:32:34.080 the symbolism of knocking on a portal is,

01:32:38.420 is I think it's,

01:32:40.640 it's a way of trying to gain access into you.

01:32:44.980 Cause that's ultimately what they want,

01:32:46.460 right?

01:32:46.660 The,

01:32:46.820 the portal that they really want to pass through is one that gives,

01:32:50.900 them access to this physical realm,

01:32:53.180 but these things, 0.94

01:32:54.040 they suck and they pretty much can only experience the physical realm through 0.99

01:32:59.040 you. 1.00

01:32:59.500 They can inhabit you if you give them the consent.

01:33:02.460 And so that consent comes in a lot of different forms and the way they ask

01:33:07.000 for it is this knocking man.

01:33:09.240 And,

01:33:09.520 and I think that's even significant too.

01:33:11.060 I mean,

01:33:11.180 if you look at the whole Bigfoot phenomenon,

01:33:13.320 just to kind of bring it back,

01:33:14.420 back full circle,

01:33:15.240 one of the things that he's super known for is just knocking against trees,

01:33:19.600 knocking,

01:33:20.020 knocking,

01:33:20.360 knocking.

01:33:20.620 And that could be an intimidation tactic.

01:33:24.040 It doesn't have to be like a spiritual principle at all,

01:33:26.160 but I'm just saying like that,

01:33:27.380 that concept of like knocking to gain entry,

01:33:30.060 to ask for permission.

01:33:31.520 It, 0.99

01:33:32.000 it permeates all of this like spiritual cryptid crap. 0.98

01:33:35.540 And just whatever the case is, 0.98

01:33:38.000 I saw somebody,

01:33:38.960 I think it might've been a,

01:33:40.000 our homie,

01:33:41.180 a gray pill.

01:33:42.100 There he is.

01:33:42.520 He says,

01:33:42.900 if you hear a knock in your dreams,

01:33:44.860 don't open the door,

01:33:46.020 just don't open the door period.

01:33:48.580 If you hear knocking and it's not like,

01:33:51.180 I know in the Bible,

01:33:52.000 it talks about Jesus Christ stands at the door.

01:33:54.060 And like the door is just over and over again.

01:33:57.720 It's a theme.

01:33:58.340 The portal is a theme.

01:33:59.360 The knocking,

01:34:00.000 the asking for entry is a theme.

01:34:01.920 I think you do have to invite,

01:34:03.980 cause I think we're like a,

01:34:04.960 there's a void within us and it can be filled with a,

01:34:07.760 an external spiritual aspect.

01:34:10.760 And the one you want to fill it with is the Holy spirit.

01:34:13.600 But I don't think you get to go around like an empty vessel.

01:34:16.220 I think you have to,

01:34:17.440 at some point concede and ask something to,

01:34:20.040 you know,

01:34:20.760 enter you.

01:34:21.420 And,

01:34:21.700 you know,

01:34:22.040 if you're smart,

01:34:22.900 it's the Holy spirit.

01:34:24.020 If you're kind of dicking around,

01:34:26.100 maybe screwing with a Ouija board,

01:34:27.560 even the interaction in just a,

01:34:30.700 in just a conversational based platform is some form of consent.

01:34:34.600 And you're now filling that void that we all seem to have with a different spirit.

01:34:39.400 And that's,

01:34:40.720 that's what they want.

01:34:41.720 So I think all that knocking is like,

01:34:44.660 it's,

01:34:45.040 it's something so simple,

01:34:46.180 but I think it goes over all our heads.

01:34:48.280 Yeah.

01:34:48.820 When you think of all the paranormal shows,

01:34:50.660 what is the main form of communication?

01:34:53.620 Knocking.

01:34:54.360 Yeah.

01:34:54.740 Knock once,

01:34:55.200 knock once.

01:34:55.820 If you're,

01:34:56.640 if you're,

01:34:57.140 yes,

01:34:57.280 you know,

01:34:57.680 knock twice.

01:34:58.180 If you're a man,

01:34:58.880 you know,

01:34:59.160 and,

01:34:59.320 and that is the form of communication.

01:35:01.600 That is the main way that,

01:35:03.000 that,

01:35:03.620 that happens.

01:35:04.860 Yeah.

01:35:05.200 Arcane arsenals here says knock on wood to call on the spirits.

01:35:08.020 This,

01:35:08.380 this knocking is,

01:35:09.740 uh,

01:35:10.580 we have become very comfortable here on Nephilim death squad with the idea that the spiritual realm is incredibly legalistic and it is all based on consent and permission.

01:35:21.560 And if you look at the way that even Jesus Christ,

01:35:24.000 um,

01:35:24.860 and the Holy spirit is described in,

01:35:27.180 in the Bible,

01:35:27.600 it's,

01:35:27.920 you have to ask,

01:35:29.000 right?

01:35:29.580 You have to ask the Holy spirit to enter you.

01:35:32.360 You have to ask God.

01:35:33.820 You have to ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness.

01:35:35.800 All of this is like,

01:35:37.020 we have a lot more free will in this realm.

01:35:40.700 And we can make a lot of decisions.

01:35:42.200 And,

01:35:42.600 but it's like,

01:35:43.800 it's almost as simple as like,

01:35:45.480 yeah,

01:35:45.580 you got to ask.

01:35:46.260 You have to ask.

01:35:47.680 And,

01:35:48.140 and intention.

01:35:49.380 Yes.

01:35:49.740 It's intention.

01:35:50.620 Yeah.

01:35:50.940 Correct.

01:35:53.440 Well,

01:35:53.840 well,

01:35:54.080 uh,

01:35:54.360 Tommy,

01:35:55.720 we are now at the hour and a half mark.

01:35:57.920 I think it's a good place to,

01:35:59.180 to land.

01:35:59.780 The episode is a great conversation.

01:36:01.640 Uh,

01:36:02.200 and I want to thank you for your time and,

01:36:04.740 uh,

01:36:04.880 and for kicking it with us in the audience.

01:36:06.920 Um,

01:36:07.320 but speaking of audience,

01:36:08.380 uh,

01:36:09.140 for those who might not remember where to find you and your work,

01:36:12.400 where should they go?

01:36:14.620 Oh,

01:36:15.080 firstly,

01:36:15.380 thank you so much.

01:36:16.180 It's been an honor being on with you guys.

01:36:17.620 Thank you so much.

01:36:18.980 Uh,

01:36:19.160 we are wherever you find podcasts,

01:36:20.800 Spotify,

01:36:21.340 Apple podcasts,

01:36:22.360 Amazon music,

01:36:23.520 uh,

01:36:23.800 Tommy Cullum's let's get freaky.

01:36:25.300 We're also now on YouTube as well.

01:36:27.080 So you can,

01:36:27.560 you can subscribe on YouTube and,

01:36:29.800 and I put the,

01:36:30.720 I put the episodes out in four on YouTube as well.

01:36:33.140 So yeah,

01:36:34.100 come in,

01:36:34.480 come in,

01:36:34.840 come say hi,

01:36:35.420 man.

01:36:35.700 And if you have any paranormal experiences to share,

01:36:37.840 we'd love to hear them.

01:36:39.000 So come over.

01:36:39.980 Thank you very much guys.

01:36:41.880 Oh,

01:36:42.020 thanks.

01:36:42.200 Thanks for coming on,

01:36:43.020 man,

01:36:43.080 guys.

01:36:43.440 Uh,

01:36:43.960 Tommy's links are going to be in the description of this video when it's

01:36:46.480 released.

01:36:47.520 Um,

01:36:48.120 but until then,

01:36:48.920 man,

01:36:49.220 uh,

01:36:50.140 don't forget to obey,

01:36:51.160 submit and comply.

01:36:51.900 We'll see you guys later.

01:36:53.060 Peace out.

01:36:53.420 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:36:59.840 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:37:03.600 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see,

01:37:08.680 you got them.

01:37:09.960 Because they'll laugh in the face.

01:37:12.000 Of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

01:37:15.940 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - March 21, 2025

142： Lets Get Freaky w⧸ Tommy Cullum

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