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00:01:13.360 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:01:22.580 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:01:27.140 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:34.820 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely important.

00:01:41.920 Oh, yeah, dude. 0.99

00:01:43.080 There's some Nephilim shit. 0.99

00:01:44.240 It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave. 1.00

00:01:49.840 But they controlling us now. 0.97

00:01:51.700 I know we're talking about how they made us probably slaves.

00:01:54.600 And everybody's just walking around, heading to clouds.

00:01:57.580 I want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

00:02:00.040 But unless you may, we need to be ready to raise up.

00:02:02.860 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:04.580 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:06.020 Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in their hands.

00:02:10.700 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:15.080 I am David Lee Corbo.

00:02:16.900 Welcome to Take Two.

00:02:18.540 Yeah, again.

00:02:19.500 Welcome back again, guys, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:22.900 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:02:25.320 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:02:28.300 Are we going to do the paywall thing?

00:02:29.940 What are we doing with these people?

00:02:31.180 Yeah, we're going to do it like normal, like as if nothing happened.

00:02:33.900 Okay, we're going to pretend that nothing happened at all.

00:02:35.540 Guys, don't even mention it.

00:02:37.520 They don't deserve the explanation from us.

00:02:40.200 We're here on time.

00:02:40.760 Yeah, if you know, you know.

00:02:42.180 If you know, you know.

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00:03:16.140 Joining us today is Dee for the second attempt, actually.

00:03:20.740 For the second time today, we are joined by Dee, and this is going to be a really fascinating conversation.

00:03:24.800 We're going to get into the UAP UFO disclosure, I'm sure.

00:03:28.100 We're going to talk a lot about crop circles, which is something that we haven't really delved into at any meaningful length here on the show.

00:03:35.180 But we're going to do that with Dee.

00:03:36.740 Before we do, let's talk a little bit about where people can find you and what it is that you focus on.

00:03:42.280 You can find me on substack.itcan'tbepeople.com.

00:03:52.620 That's where I do all of my articles, which I publish normally weekly,

00:03:58.980 and they're based on my experiences as a retired maker of crop circles

00:04:05.560 and exclusive interviews that I've conducted with other crop circle makers that have trusted me,

00:04:14.140 that I've known over the years.

00:04:15.640 And we focus on high strangeness events, synchronicities, and paranormal activity,

00:04:24.540 which occurs during, before, and after the making process.

00:04:28.980 Interesting.

00:04:29.740 So when you say crop makers, are you saying like people that grow crops,

00:04:34.860 or are you saying that people that do crop, do people do crop circles recreationally,

00:04:39.540 or is it a fun thing to do?

00:04:42.160 What are we doing here?

00:04:43.800 You've unconsciously actually opened a bit of a minefield there,

00:04:47.860 because the ones that I'm focusing on are made by people.

00:04:53.060 But there is a distinction, because you do have people like pranksters, hoaxers,

00:04:57.900 people that make them for wrong reasons.

00:04:59.980 They make them because they're, you know, they're taking fun at people,

00:05:03.280 they're taking fun at the tourists.

00:05:05.420 But then, or they do them as art, which is fine.

00:05:08.480 But then you've got another subsection, which I hope I fell into,

00:05:13.940 which is people that have got interest in the paranormal,

00:05:19.140 pre-existing interest in ufology.

00:05:21.480 And they have been making crop circles to, well, we don't know.

00:05:28.380 We sometimes think that we're, that we're co-worked,

00:05:31.260 that there's some sort of exertion to do it.

00:05:33.500 I mean, when I was compelled to do it, and I did it without any ego,

00:05:38.860 and that's why I'm not on camera today, because the crops,

00:05:41.340 it's not about ego, it's about the circle speaking.

00:05:44.260 So you've got hoax crop circles,

00:05:46.120 and you've got ones made by people for the right reasons.

00:05:49.900 But you've also got, there is an element of crop circles that we can't explain.

00:05:54.660 So there is hope out there, guys, you know.

00:05:57.360 It's fascinating that they call it crop circles, too,

00:05:59.600 because these things, D, they take like a pretty vast variety of shapes and sizes

00:06:05.760 and, you know, even information.

00:06:08.340 I always just thought that was funny, because crop circles, I guess,

00:06:11.440 is how the conversation started.

00:06:13.040 But what that phenomenon has developed into over the years far exceeds, like, circles.

00:06:18.400 Again, you just absolutely opened up what I was just about to say, okay,

00:06:22.560 which is great, because the original crop circles were based on the Australian tully nests

00:06:28.300 from the 1970s, which did resemble birthed UFOs.

00:06:32.980 They were circular crushings in the grass.

00:06:37.260 And then in the late 70s, 80s, we started to see the same thing.

00:06:42.860 So we had these big circular markings in the grass,

00:06:46.080 which looked like birthed UFOs.

00:06:49.580 Sometimes they'd have the little dots around them,

00:06:53.940 so they looked like the spacecraft landing gear from the day the Earth stood still,

00:06:57.600 that 50s sci-fi trope.

00:06:59.740 But you're right, because what happened in 1990,

00:07:04.460 when we saw our first crop circle, which was a picture,

00:07:08.980 the whole polemic of birthed UFOs should have been blown out of the water right then,

00:07:15.180 because nobody envisages a UFO looking like, you know,

00:07:21.040 two circles joined together with spokes and door keys coming off them.

00:07:25.240 But what had happened was the imagery between UFOs and crop circles

00:07:30.020 was so strong in the public psyche that suddenly it turned from birthed UFOs

00:07:37.340 to, oh, messages from our space brothers.

00:07:39.360 There was this clunky changeover because the public

00:07:45.100 didn't want to disassociate UFOs with crop circles.

00:07:49.160 So it's a very important point you're making there.

00:07:52.220 That's fascinating.

00:07:53.340 I mean, I feel like crop circles had a real resurgence in,

00:07:57.720 I don't know what you would call it, not like pop culture,

00:07:59.960 but maybe you could use that expression,

00:08:02.060 with the show Signs, right?

00:08:04.380 That was a huge, I love that movie, great movie by M. Night Shyamalan and Mel Gibson.

00:08:11.900 But in that, I think they did a great job of capturing some of the bewilderment

00:08:16.040 that comes along with these crop circles, right?

00:08:18.100 Because you said there is an element of pranksters and hoaxters

00:08:21.360 that take part in this sort of a process.

00:08:23.820 But if the movie Signs is true, and that's where I get all my information,

00:08:28.280 it's Hollywood films, then there's a real difference in a hoaxters

00:08:34.860 and then like a, I guess what we would call a genuine crop circle.

00:08:39.560 And it's that the craftsmanship in executing these things far exceeds

00:08:45.040 what you suspect individuals with boards and rope are capable of.

00:08:49.040 And I remember in Signs, one of the things they highlighted

00:08:51.960 was the ability to bend over a stalk of grass without actually snapping it.

00:08:56.740 And so these things, as amazing as they are,

00:09:00.540 there's definitely two discernible classes.

00:09:03.000 I imagine that people probably get pretty good at them

00:09:05.080 and they figure out their tricks and how to execute them in a way

00:09:07.700 that is, you know, very considerable.

00:09:09.980 But then there's something else beyond that.

00:09:11.960 For example, I have this image here.

00:09:14.240 And I don't even know if there's any real veracity to this.

00:09:16.960 No, not the image of Signs, stop.

00:09:19.300 This one right here.

00:09:20.260 I'm going to bring this up.

00:09:21.520 Boom.

00:09:22.180 Got it.

00:09:22.460 So this was in, I mean, this is something I've been aware of for a long time.

00:09:29.600 And I don't even know if it's true.

00:09:31.300 But the story goes that we sent some information into space.

00:09:37.700 And that information, I actually don't know if this is the proper one.

00:09:42.320 This might not be the one that I'm looking for.

00:09:43.740 Oh, here it is.

00:09:45.680 I have the one that I'm looking for.

00:09:47.560 This is fantastic.

00:09:48.020 It's the oblong that you're talking about.

00:09:49.820 Yeah.

00:09:50.000 The message, it was the reply.

00:09:52.300 Yeah.

00:09:52.760 So here, I want to bring this up on stage, actually,

00:09:55.440 because this is fascinating.

00:09:57.360 So we sent a bunch of information into space.

00:09:59.940 And that information was of a particular nature.

00:10:02.520 It was the genetic makeup and the sort of atomical makeup of a human being.

00:10:07.360 And I think it even included some form of, like, the Da Vinci Man or something like that in order to...

00:10:13.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:14.360 So check this out here.

00:10:16.040 I got it right here.

00:10:16.860 Sorry, guys.

00:10:17.580 Let's share this tab instead.

00:10:19.040 And, Top, you want to bring that up on stage?

00:10:20.460 Okay.

00:10:20.760 That's great.

00:10:21.020 Yeah, it's up.

00:10:21.200 So this is the response that we get.

00:10:23.500 Is this correct?

00:10:25.320 Yeah, that's right.

00:10:26.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:10:27.180 Interesting.

00:10:27.620 So what do you make of this one?

00:10:31.520 Well, that was done at Crabwood, which is near Winchester.

00:10:34.460 Now, it's a deep question to answer.

00:10:39.120 And the reason for this is this.

00:10:43.040 That could well be made by people.

00:10:46.060 But, and this is the big but, we do think that there is something else at play.

00:10:52.280 Okay?

00:10:52.700 Because the whole of the subject with human crop circle makers is just littered with smoke and mirrors. 0.98

00:11:00.580 Not that we're creating, but there's synchronicities.

00:11:04.900 We have dreams.

00:11:07.120 And there's a lot of strange things that go into play that the public don't see in and around the creation of crop circles.

00:11:13.080 And if I could just move away and just tell you a story, it should link back to what we're talking about.

00:11:19.120 And that was that when I made my first crop circle, I went in as a believer.

00:11:25.960 Okay?

00:11:26.280 I hated people like me.

00:11:27.700 I held that the human crop circle makers in absolute disdain. 1.00

00:11:32.280 And my opinion was that the mystery was deep enough. 0.98

00:11:35.600 And the analogy that I use is the magician with the cups under the balls.

00:11:41.720 It's difficult enough as it is. 1.00

00:11:43.140 And then some idiot comes along and adds another 10. 1.00

00:11:46.420 And I held these people in disdain. 1.00

00:11:49.440 But when, and my background was in ufology.

00:11:52.780 When I first saw Close Encounters as a young child, it absolutely blew me away.

00:11:56.600 It looked like, it looked like I was remembering something rather than seeing something for the first time.

00:12:03.160 But yeah, that's, yeah, it is, that is, that is interesting.

00:12:07.040 And I started, well, what I decided to do, because I was a ufologist, I thought, okay, what I'm going to do, I'm going to go to Wiltshire, which is where the hub of the crop circles are.

00:12:15.740 I'm going to just see if I can get to the bottom of this mystery, you know.

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00:13:01.960 Which is quite an ego-driven thing to do, because, you know, why should you get it and no one else has got it?

00:13:05.960 But in my first couple of weeks, I started to hear stories from the community to say that odd things were happening around the creation of crop circles.

00:13:18.760 And they weren't saying they were made by people.

00:13:20.720 They said around the creation of the crop circle, we've seen that there were orbs seen.

00:13:25.160 There's UAPs seen, there's pink lights, there's, like, circular orbs, you know, like, scoping the circles and sweeping over them.

00:13:35.600 But at no point were humans brought into the mix.

00:13:38.420 And then when I started to get into these people's trust, they then said, look, this is happening with human-made circles that are made with the right intent.

00:13:45.820 And there's something bigger going on here.

00:13:50.260 So to get back to your original point, sometimes we'll go to make a particular crop circle and we'll go to the field to make it.

00:14:01.060 And then we'll see that somebody else has already got there and made that actual same motif that we were going to put into the crop.

00:14:08.260 And that's when you think, is there something else at play here?

00:14:12.040 So even if that is man-made, the bigger question there is, was there something else at play?

00:14:20.660 Why did the makers go and do it?

00:14:22.520 Is there a backstory to this?

00:14:24.740 And I hope that answers your question.

00:14:26.700 So just for clarification.

00:14:28.060 That poses more questions.

00:14:29.860 Yeah, it will do.

00:14:30.960 It is a rabbit hole, guys.

00:14:32.760 And it's a rabbit hole that I've lived in for the past 20 years.

00:14:35.480 The second that you insert humans into this equation, it makes the birthed UFO polemic look almost boring.

00:14:45.100 There's something else at play.

00:14:47.700 And when I found out that it was people on many of these circles, I was very disappointed for about 10 minutes.

00:14:55.960 And then I thought, hold on, if you put people into this, the mystery is actually 100 times bigger than you think it is.

00:15:04.040 It's interesting because I feel like a lot of our work, I guess we call this work, what we do on this show.

00:15:10.320 It's a lot of fun, but it is kind of work.

00:15:12.320 But a lot of our studies have kind of been pointing at this.

00:15:16.220 And what I'm assuming, is there any aspect of channeling when this is happening?

00:15:22.580 I get this all the time.

00:15:23.920 Okay, now, somebody's just left a really nice, very long comment on a YouTube video.

00:15:30.840 I didn't know if they did two weeks ago.

00:15:33.580 And they say it is.

00:15:35.160 Now, I'm reluctant to call it channeling in that it just hints that the cell can make us are in some way anointed and better than you.

00:15:44.900 And we're chosen and we're the chosen ones to do it.

00:15:47.500 Okay, what my opinion is, is this, as I just said to you before, I've got a deep interest in ufology, a deep interest in the paranormal since I've had when I was a child.

00:15:58.460 I think that if you align yourself to the phenomenon, you then attract the phenomenon.

00:16:05.820 Okay, so I don't think we're channeled.

00:16:09.320 I mean, a circle maker said to me once, this is a game of chess, but we're not playing it with the pieces.

00:16:16.960 So we do think that there is something else going on.

00:16:21.560 But what we can't work out, guys, is whether we are actually communicating with each other through the collective consciousness, through the species field, or whether there's something else at play, which is triangulating between us and it, if you see what I mean.

00:16:39.620 Because if you go to a circle and you find out somebody's already done it, you know, then you think, is that us talking to each other or is there something else above, you know?

00:16:54.160 We're having a very similar experience, I would file away under that category, where we seem to continually step into ideas that I wouldn't say we came up with on our own, we kind of stumbled upon.

00:17:10.780 And then you'll watch that idea immediately spread like wildfire on social media and among other conspiracy podcasters.

00:17:18.560 And, you know, you're left to go like, are somehow people stealing our information?

00:17:24.060 Or is it more likely that there's something about the nature of an idea?

00:17:27.820 And when it comes to you, it also comes to other people, which then gives ideas some form of independent thing.

00:17:34.220 So I think that's exactly what's happening.

00:17:37.840 Yeah, it's so the collective consciousness idea or I'm going to get into it.

00:17:42.340 But I see you started your your sub stack five months ago.

00:17:46.800 That's when you launched it.

00:17:48.420 Yeah.

00:17:48.520 And how how old is your book?

00:17:50.220 How long ago did you write your book?

00:17:52.280 I'm writing it now.

00:17:53.220 It's the sub stack is like the bones of it because I'm still the thing with this, guys, is this because a lot of what we do is based.

00:18:01.780 I'll give you another example.

00:18:02.980 And this this will blow your heads a little bit.

00:18:05.300 I I had a situation when you go out and make crop circles.

00:18:09.240 Initially, you're part of a you're part of a bigger team.

00:18:11.840 You're just a foot soldier.

00:18:12.900 You're just a stomper. 0.82

00:18:14.140 OK, so.

00:18:14.660 And this could just be a yes or no.

00:18:16.300 When you set out to do these crop circles, is this a form of communication?

00:18:20.940 You're hoping something sees.

00:18:23.260 Are you hoping to impart a message when you do that?

00:18:26.000 I know.

00:18:26.500 I know of one particular prolific crop circle maker who had missing time as a child.

00:18:31.760 And he has spent the rest of his life making these crop circles to try and reengage with it.

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00:19:30.180 Okay, I'm sorry, just to go back.

00:19:38.240 So, you created this five months ago and then you reached out to us on our email,

00:19:43.600 thenephalemdsquad at gmail.com.

00:19:45.640 You guys can reach out to us with stories or whatever you want.

00:19:48.100 And I was actually with David.

00:19:49.240 We were with our kids and our wives in the park and the email comes through.

00:19:53.280 I said, oh, this sounds really interesting.

00:19:54.800 And so, I presented to him like, yeah, let's talk to him.

00:19:57.480 And we scheduled this with you.

00:19:58.720 But we have all been touching at this.

00:20:02.360 Just poking at this subject, the exact subject you were talking about.

00:20:06.680 But from all different angles.

00:20:09.060 And then you fall in our lap seemingly out of nowhere.

00:20:11.340 So, how did you hear the show?

00:20:13.620 I'm totally with you, okay?

00:20:16.300 And I vet who I communicate with before I make the approach.

00:20:21.480 And I looked at your stuff and I thought, well, I think you're like-minded people.

00:20:27.140 But obviously, we are dealing with a subject where people don't want to know that it's humans involved in making a proportion of these crop circles.

00:20:34.360 Okay.

00:20:34.560 But I just had a vibe.

00:20:36.780 That's the answer.

00:20:38.280 And what's also interesting in connecting to what you're saying is, when I've gone to interview crop circle makers for their accounts, and all of our accounts are the same thing, a few of them have said, I was going to do that.

00:20:52.820 I was going to do that book, you know? 0.94

00:20:55.020 And then I looked back to my situation five months ago, and I go, why the fuck am I doing this? 0.95

00:21:07.500 Because it brings a lot of heat, okay? 0.97

00:21:10.580 And I've got a lot to lose.

00:21:11.880 But I thought, why did I get the idea to do that?

00:21:16.720 And why are there five other circle makers that are going, oh, my God, I was going to do that?

00:21:23.280 So it's exactly what you're talking about.

00:21:26.020 You know, to your point, too, about how human beings, we don't want to think that people are involved with the crop circles.

00:21:33.180 And, you know, I imagine it's because, for a moment, it kind of dilutes what you think is, like, really a spiritual phenomenon or an extraterrestrial phenomenon.

00:21:44.380 And then somehow it waters that down to have human beings.

00:21:47.040 But then, as you said, when you take a closer look, it actually becomes much more compelling and dynamic.

00:21:52.020 But I have gotten to this place where I look at this UAP, UFO phenomenon, the abduction phenomenon, and I recognize that there is a huge human element to it.

00:22:02.000 Not just the humans that are being taken, but there seems to be a mutually beneficial, like, working in tandem sort of a thing that is taking place.

00:22:11.360 So, yeah, I don't think you can separate the human element at all from whatever's happening with crop circles, with UFOs, and all of this stuff.

00:22:20.320 Well, certainly, the area that we're making in, which is like the hub of Wiltshire, we're making around these ancient Neolithic sites like Stonehenge and Avery and the Long Barrows.

00:22:32.000 And, again, without being egotistical, I don't want to be, we think that we are basically reinvigorating the work of our forebears that built those stone circles that were, that, let's face it, they were far more attuned than we are, okay?

00:22:50.100 Yeah.

00:22:50.240 And when I used to go to, I've just written this, actually, the first time I went to Wiltshire, the first thing I thought was not I'm here, I thought I'm back home.

00:23:00.720 And I wasn't sure if that connected to the collective consciousness, but what I think it means now is that I was connecting to a resonance in this area, which reminds me and reminds us collectively how clever we used to be in the old days, you know, and how more attuned our chakras were opened.

00:23:21.200 And, you know, we didn't, we weren't as we are now in this sterile world.

00:23:27.080 Right.

00:23:27.260 But we think that our ancestors that built these stone circles were right in it, okay?

00:23:34.020 So their chakras, their third eyes, their pineal glands were open and, you know, it's like a back to nature thing, you know, because the strangeness that I'm going to talk to you about dissipates the further away you get from these sites.

00:23:50.420 Because I've spoken to crop circle makers that have made in Italy and abroad and further up north in England, and nobody experiences the stuff that we're going to talk about today.

00:24:01.000 It just seems to be central to this ancient, ancient area.

00:24:05.460 Well, what was happening at Stonehenge back in the day, if you will?

00:24:10.680 What was this site used for?

00:24:13.840 Well, we think it was a pagan site.

00:24:18.040 I mean, it's, well, sorry, it's also, much of it isn't there now, guys, because the stones have gone, but the ones that are left, we know that there's certainly an element of it being a calendar, because on the summer solstice, the sun hits this particular stone, and then it just lights up the rest of it like an illumination.

00:24:42.340 And it's just at that particular point of the summer solstice.

00:24:46.400 And there's other windows, and this is in the pyramids as well.

00:24:50.000 The sun hits a certain point, and then you've got this completely lit amphitheater.

00:24:54.880 So we think that it was a calendar, but we think that it was a place of, not just a place of worship, but a place of recognition where our forebears are just celebrating something within that area, because we've got the ley lines here as well.

00:25:11.720 And it's the same with Avery as well.

00:25:14.520 And the thing you've got to look at is, again, the question is why?

00:25:19.040 I mean, they were lugging rocks, tons, you know, hundreds of tons, you know, and they think it took like years and generations to make.

00:25:28.540 And then you've got to go, why?

00:25:31.640 Why is it there?

00:25:32.440 Why have they gone to that much effort to do it?

00:25:36.260 That's much of the conversation when it comes to any of our megalithic structures.

00:25:39.660 It's like wildly speculative as to how they achieved it.

00:25:44.620 And then it almost is the primary question.

00:25:49.120 And what's secondary or maybe even third is the why.

00:25:52.580 You know what I mean?

00:25:53.020 It's like how and who, but the why is an afterthought in very many instances.

00:25:58.280 Yeah, what's also interesting is that when you hear reports of UAPs and orbs being seen over crop circles, guys, this stuff has been here for thousands of years and it was here before the crop circles.

00:26:12.540 So people say sometimes, well, I saw orbs formed a crop circle.

00:26:17.760 I saw a crop circle.

00:26:18.880 Then there were orbs over it.

00:26:20.780 That's not to say those two things were connected. 0.95

00:26:23.680 I know people that go on night watches and they see all sorts of shit and it's not connected with crop circles. 0.93

00:26:31.780 It's just the area that we're in. 0.98

00:26:33.960 You may have talked about it when I got kicked off.

00:26:36.780 So if you've already touched on this, then forgive me.

00:26:39.060 But what do you make of that video that I would say as far as virality in relation to crop circles, this one is really up there.

00:26:47.440 And it's these orbs that are flying around.

00:26:49.580 Yeah, I know.

00:26:50.920 What do you think of that?

00:26:51.820 Yeah, well, I'm afraid I've got to go back to the magician to the magicians in the cups analogy again, you know, and it's that they say that the technology wasn't around at that time to make that through ZG through CGI.

00:27:07.560 But I just say two words, Jurassic Park.

00:27:12.180 It's the identity of the person that did it.

00:27:16.960 His name wavers between John Waby and John Mabey, which is a play on words.

00:27:22.200 But even if you look at his IMDb, it says crop circle hoaxer.

00:27:26.260 And there are a lot, there are a lot of unanswered questions about that video.

00:27:32.300 And we've got to bear in mind also, that is the one singular example we've got of crop circles being made by orbs.

00:27:39.860 As far as I've seen, yeah, I would agree with you.

00:27:41.600 It's the only one there is, okay?

00:27:43.780 But all I've got to say is go and do your own research and you'll find that that is a little bit of a wormhole, okay?

00:27:53.940 I do know some, but again, this is apocryphal.

00:27:57.100 It might not be true, but I heard a story that this CGI director went to somebody within the crop circle community, quite a prominent name, and said, listen, I'm going to make this video.

00:28:12.960 And this particular person said, well, are you doing it as a demonstration?

00:28:18.740 And he said, no, I'm doing it for a laugh, just to poke fun.

00:28:23.400 And this person said, I want no part of it.

00:28:27.100 But that could be apocryphal.

00:28:29.440 But the jury is out on that.

00:28:33.880 The jury is definitely out on that video.

00:28:35.780 Yeah.

00:28:36.500 What do you think is, because the nature of these things and the way that they pop up, and I'm sure it's not that you have answers, but maybe some information that would allow you to speculate as to how these things develop.

00:28:48.460 They seem to develop very rapidly over the course of just one night.

00:28:51.560 And it leaves people totally confused about it when it comes to the sheer scale.

00:28:58.160 Okay, we've got to go back to the birth of the phenomenon, okay?

00:29:03.880 And that was when the single circles were being made.

00:29:06.780 You had these two guys called Doug and Dave.

00:29:09.400 And they were a couple of old guys that used to make pretty basic crop circles, you know, on the way home from the pub, okay?

00:29:18.080 But they go now, I mean, they're both dead now, but even they question their own motivations as to why they did it.

00:29:26.900 But unfortunately, what happened was that we then had that whole two pissed guys home from the pub trope, which has now plagued us for the past 40 years, when in actual fact, human-made crop circles that are made by people with intent and focus, and they've got spirituality, and they're doing it for the right reasons, which then attracts, you know, this other phenomenon, perhaps.

00:29:55.440 And they're very focused, they're not drunkards, guys.

00:29:59.440 You've got to remember that the crop circle season is only between like April and September at the very most.

00:30:06.000 They've got the rest of the year to actually plot out what they're going to do or receive their ideas, if that's your mindset.

00:30:14.740 You just scale it up.

00:30:16.680 So if you're making a very large, complicated circle.

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00:31:01.920 Hashtag make a play.

00:31:03.400 You can go out with a team of 15 people and do that.

00:31:08.060 If they all know what they're doing and there's no weak links in the chain, as long as it's plotted out properly, there's no reason why what you would consider to be definitely impossible to be made by a man to be made by people.

00:31:22.860 Because you're looking at the two drunk guys in the pub, you know?

00:31:26.480 So that's my answer to that.

00:31:30.860 Yeah, after COVID-19, I think the idea of a conspiracy being like, well, there's just too many people involved and you would never be able to pull it off.

00:31:41.020 It was like, I don't know.

00:31:41.800 I watched them do this to the entire world.

00:31:43.940 You know, the sickness, the disease was real, but like the ramifications and the propaganda were certainly pushed in a certain way where it was the largest campaign you've ever seen.

00:31:55.020 So I don't think that this is beyond the pale of people getting together and doing this.

00:32:00.080 The question is why?

00:32:01.820 And I think also the more interesting question would be they're getting this notion to do it now.

00:32:08.360 Do this design.

00:32:09.580 Do it now.

00:32:10.080 Do it here.

00:32:10.640 And that's a question I think you're asking still, right, D?

00:32:15.540 It goes a little bit deeper in that this phenomena attracts accidents and little mistakes.

00:32:25.980 And we think there's, with certainly the ones that were done with the right intent, there seems to be engineering going on or some description where we'll go and make a design.

00:32:36.740 Now, the beauty of this is you're the audience.

00:32:39.700 You never know what it's going to look like until it's done.

00:32:42.780 Sometimes we're going to go.

00:32:43.820 We'll go into make a design.

00:32:45.100 We'll make a design.

00:32:46.120 We'll make a mistake.

00:32:47.980 And we'll have to either replicate that mistake four times to make it look like it's supposed to be there.

00:32:53.020 Or we'll have to tailor.

00:32:54.780 We'll have to, you know, gnar the formation up and change it.

00:32:57.840 And we've got to actually come out with a different formation than what we're willing to make.

00:33:02.140 Now, and then we'll find out afterwards that that revision or that mistake is actually the most important part of that circle because it's relevant to that particular town that we made it in.

00:33:14.500 Sometimes we'll go to make a formation in a certain place.

00:33:18.920 There'll be the car will break down or the road will be blocked or something else.

00:33:24.140 And then the team leader will say, oh, let's just do it here instead.

00:33:29.360 And then that random place that we've picked is of colossal significance for some reason or another that was oblivious to us at the time.

00:33:39.380 And then we think, well, hold on a minute.

00:33:41.440 How much of this is a mistake or the wrong turn?

00:33:46.120 And, you know, I know people that have made wrong turns and then something fantastic has happened.

00:33:51.440 And to give you just one more example, what happened to me once that was absolutely crazy was that I had just started making them with my own teams.

00:34:04.140 For the first few, I was just a foot stomper.

00:34:06.340 You're just like a pawn.

00:34:07.200 You're just like a foot soldier.

00:34:08.180 But I had dreamt two designs in my mind and I had this recurring dream and it was always me swooping over these two fields in Wiltshire.

00:34:21.940 It was a part of Wiltshire I didn't know.

00:34:25.160 And I always in my dreams, there's two designs in the fields next to each other.

00:34:31.160 And then I thought the only way that I'm going to get rid of this dream is to actually go and do it.

00:34:35.620 And so I was driving once and I just took a wrong turn.

00:34:41.620 So the other thing was in the dream, I had a school friend with me that I hadn't thought of for 30 years.

00:34:48.320 And I'd wake up and think, where the hell is that guy in my dream?

00:34:51.320 I've got nothing to do with him now.

00:34:52.940 And then I took a wrong turn down this road and I found myself exactly in this landscape that I'd been dreaming about.

00:35:01.500 It was exactly that.

00:35:02.680 And then I saw that the name of the road that I'd turned down by a mistake was the name of the road that this kid had lived in when I used to go around his house at school.

00:35:12.740 And I went, oh my God, that's crazy.

00:35:15.880 And I couldn't decide which of these two designs to put down.

00:35:20.320 So I find my partner and I phoned the team.

00:35:22.680 I said, look, I've got two designs here.

00:35:25.060 They're both four hours work if we have a team of six.

00:35:28.980 They're both, you know, good, completely different designs.

00:35:32.020 Which should I do?

00:35:33.380 And nobody could tell me.

00:35:34.580 So I said, well, let's do one then.

00:35:36.600 So I went to the field and I kind of like Luke Skywalker did it.

00:35:40.980 I emptied my mind and thought I will just let it come down and whichever is the first stomp, that's the circle that I'll make.

00:35:49.960 So I made a circle.

00:35:51.320 I emptied my mind and got this circle made.

00:35:54.240 And the next day I got a phone call from my partner in London and she said, gosh, you were busy last night.

00:36:00.440 I said, yeah, we've got a really good circle down.

00:36:02.480 I said, we've got the first one down.

00:36:04.520 And she said, no, you didn't.

00:36:05.760 I said, yes, we did.

00:36:07.480 She goes, you got them both down.

00:36:09.300 I said, no, we didn't.

00:36:10.840 And what had happened was between the two fields, there was this big slope.

00:36:14.760 There was this big hill where we couldn't see the other field and they couldn't see us.

00:36:19.840 But if you looked on Google Earth from above, it looked like the two fields were next to each other.

00:36:24.760 And both of my designs were down in adjacent fields.

00:36:28.740 And the other team didn't know about us and we didn't know about the other team.

00:36:32.380 And that's when I started to think really seriously, what's going on and why?

00:36:39.140 There's something, there's some manipulation or there's something going on where we think it's our decision and there's something else going on.

00:36:47.360 You mentioned that this came to you in a dream.

00:36:50.560 Yeah.

00:36:50.780 And when we say channeling, you know, when you think of channeling, sometimes you think of like a deliberate channeling, like an oracle, somebody who's been selected by like a priest cast.

00:37:00.760 A guy like Shimon, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:03.600 Yeah, we use that that term a little bit loosely here because I don't think that channeling happens in a way where there is intent all of the time or at least not not fully informed intent.

00:37:16.920 Tell me about Marzinski.

00:37:17.840 Well, I mean, not only Marzinski, but I'm thinking about all the different artists and whatnot who have attributed their great works to the muses in one way, shape or form, right?

00:37:28.940 You have like a Stephen King who is in a state of inebriation and most of his ideas for his books are coming to him in dreams.

00:37:36.320 And then all of a sudden you see that there is some real consistency when it comes to the way he tells stories and how those stories overlap with occult esoteric ideologies to the point where they're accurate.

00:37:49.320 If you believe in that sort of thing, in which case this is much more than just a random dream, you're getting some sort of information.

00:37:56.780 But before we even go on to the Marzinski thing, I would be really interested, Dee, in knowing what do these designs, do they ever have like something that you had hoped to impart on somebody who would see them?

00:38:14.420 Is there information embedded into the designs or do you just see them or your team or anybody who sets out to do these things?

00:38:22.340 Are they just designs that they feel inspired to create, but don't necessarily have, let's say, like an embedded message?

00:38:32.060 Well, you've got obviously the ones that celebrate the land directly, which we've got.

00:38:35.560 You've got the yin yang symbols.

00:38:36.980 You've got the mandalas.

00:38:38.020 You've got the universally accepted images.

00:38:39.920 And this is, you've actually made a very good point here because we are using eightfold geometry.

00:38:46.780 I don't use that.

00:38:47.840 I was never that good.

00:38:48.980 But we're using sacred, sacred geometry, okay?

00:38:54.140 And the fact that we are implanting it in sacred sites makes the experience all the more important for the people that are coming afterwards.

00:39:03.080 So that's another reason why there's no authorship.

00:39:06.620 That's why people say to us, well, if I was that great at doing this, I'll be shouting it from the rooftops and like making films of it.

00:39:14.420 The second that ego becomes part of the equation, all of the potency of that circle disappears. 0.98

00:39:21.040 The second that you say, I did that, and you give it all for shit, it becomes like deactivated. 0.94

00:39:27.960 So to answer your question, yes, of course, we're aware of the potency of the images that we're putting down, where we're putting them down. 0.98

00:39:36.800 But sometimes we don't.

00:39:39.880 And then we find out from a visitor to the crop circle is much more advanced in these areas of history than we are, that we've actually done something which is potent to that area.

00:39:50.220 Now, that becomes strange because the people then say, well, this one can't be man-made because it's special for this reason.

00:39:59.020 And our argument is, well, it can if you just implant people into a bigger mystery.

00:40:05.660 What the researchers say is, well, the significance of that circle and what it did and how it's done means it must be a special one.

00:40:14.260 And we're agreeing with you.

00:40:15.540 Yes, it is special, but you've got to look at the other elements that are at play here.

00:40:20.720 And I'm going to say it again.

00:40:22.500 This is not about ego.

00:40:23.720 I used to detest people like me because I was a true believer.

00:40:28.380 But once I realized that there are crop circle makers that are going out there with the correct spiritual intent, not all of them, then I thought, well, if you give us an even break, there's still a mystery there.

00:40:44.480 And if we can overcome this stigma we've got at the moment, there's a big mystery that could be investigated here.

00:40:52.800 That element that you described before, Dee, of having these recurring dreams where you're flying over the very field that you end up putting this design in.

00:41:02.560 And then, of course, even seeing an individual who later on comes into play in reality, in waking life, in relation to this very same thing, that sort of thing.

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00:41:43.600 Rhymes with a very similar phenomenon that takes place amongst abductee victims.

00:41:49.060 So certainly the sensation of flying, right?

00:41:51.420 And with a top-down view, people will describe that.

00:41:54.220 I don't know where to necessarily place it, but it's like what starts off as a dream and you remember looking down over a field might, through regressive hypnosis, let's say, which is a lofty and I would say unreliable field of study but still a curious one, will expand on that dream.

00:42:13.700 And then realize that they were actually at a craft and that they were looking down also, that there are people in these experiences, whether it's, you know, abduction or something like that, that will come into play later on.

00:42:24.900 And one of the things that always comes to my mind is children in particular, who experience the abduction phenomenon, will sometimes talk about seeing people there, friends from school, let's say, or maybe even kids they don't know.

00:42:36.940 But then later on in real life, in waking life, will be introduced to these people and will know them, you know, have a relationship with them in the future.

00:42:45.200 So there's a lot of overlap there.

00:42:48.520 Yeah, I think the important thing to tell you about that particular example with a school friend was that I had no reason to think of that school friend at all.

00:42:56.620 I had no connection with them for 30 years.

00:42:59.300 But it's just the fact that the house that they lived in, the name of the road, was the same road that I went down by mistake.

00:43:07.420 And that was my signal to actually take it further.

00:43:10.280 But certainly, I totally agree with what you're saying.

00:43:13.520 I totally agree.

00:43:14.420 But I also, and this kind of works into the UIP phenomenon, I'm very interested in primarily the work of Jacques Vallée and John Keel.

00:43:28.540 And I'm very interested in the idea of cultural tracking.

00:43:32.660 Do you know what that is?

00:43:34.340 Because it's more of a 70s thing.

00:43:36.240 No, I'm interested in knowing what that is.

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00:44:12.160 Dee, yeah.

00:44:12.720 Why don't you explain that a little bit to us?

00:44:14.400 Yeah.

00:44:14.520 I'm not very familiar with that.

00:44:15.720 It's really relevant to people that are moving away from the ETH, that are moving away from the extraterrestrial hypothesis, okay?

00:44:24.940 So a lot of ufologists that, you know, start off, they talk about the Adamski ships, they talk about nuts and boats craft.

00:44:31.140 As they progress into the subject for decades, they say something else comes into play, which is more to do with our own psyche.

00:44:39.760 I know that Carl Jung was very interested in the fact that we were seeing circles, and that is actually connected to the human psyche.

00:44:47.440 What Jacques Vallée discusses is the fact that what we are now seeing as abductions were seen by our ancient ancestors as being away with the fairies.

00:44:59.040 You'd see the stories of people that have been taken by the fairy people and the leprechauns, and they'd gone for days, and they'd come back, and they're a different age. 0.99

00:45:06.600 Jacques Vallée argues that this is the same phenomenon, and what the phenomenon does is it tracks where we are within our evolution and then places a trope just ahead, 10 years ahead of us, okay?

00:45:20.960 Now, my contention is that where we are now seeing UAPs and UFOs in Wiltshire, they've always been there, but we called them Widow the Whisper.

00:45:31.860 We called them the fairy lights back in, back 500 years ago.

00:45:36.660 So we are looking at the same phenomenon here, which has probably existed with us since the dawn of our own inception, and it tracks where we are and very cleverly puts itself in an immediate future that we will understand.

00:45:51.960 Interesting.

00:45:52.700 A rebranding of sorts, is what you say.

00:45:55.440 You might call it a rebranding.

00:45:56.600 So that you can keep track with it based on where you are in your evolution.

00:46:01.900 Interesting.

00:46:02.580 Interesting.

00:46:03.180 Yeah, so I would agree with that, and I'm actually looking for it right now.

00:46:08.340 I can't find it, but we did an interview with someone in the past, and I wanted to be able to say his name here.

00:46:14.760 I don't know if Top remembers it, but it was a gentleman.

00:46:16.480 We just talked about him recently, had the same issue where I couldn't remember his name, and he was talking about this abduction phenomenon and how he believes that it is not a physical phenomenon, that it's actually a spiritual one that's masquerading as a physical one.

00:46:33.280 Now, you can do with that information what you will, but what I do recognize is this growing body of information that suggests that at least the physical aspect of this, meaning a craft and, let's say, alien greys, that they may actually be themselves a form of technology that is deployed on some level by human beings.

00:46:55.880 Now, that's not to say that there's no spiritual influence, and this goes back to that sort of inspiration that seems to come from elsewhere, you know, not in our own minds.

00:47:07.080 Are you talking about John Joseph?

00:47:08.800 John Joseph.

00:47:09.540 Thank you.

00:47:09.940 Thank you.

00:47:10.260 Is it John Joseph?

00:47:11.920 I think so.

00:47:12.560 Yeah, John Joseph, I'm pretty sure.

00:47:13.760 Bald beard?

00:47:14.840 Yes.

00:47:15.380 Yes, okay.

00:47:15.960 John Joseph.

00:47:16.720 Shout out John Joseph.

00:47:17.400 So, I do suspect that there's an element that is, you know, and if you feel more comfortable exchanging spiritual, well, let's just say like ethereal or something that is energetic, that isn't, you know, physical in the way that we're familiar with, could be inspiring people.

00:47:37.000 And that these greys in this craft may actually be, and I do think there's room for some of these craft actually being not technology, not created by human beings, maybe some sort of living plasma or something like that, not too sure.

00:47:51.080 But it does seem that a bulk of the phenomenon may actually be human beings creating these things at the behest of some sort of inspiration that is spiritual or ethereal.

00:48:01.740 Yeah, yeah, I understand.

00:48:03.560 I do understand.

00:48:04.220 What do you think about that?

00:48:06.400 Because I know you're talking quite a bit about the human element, but what you're interacting with that is nudging you and inspiring you to do these things, have you got a framework for that in your mind as to how to define that thing?

00:48:24.960 Well, it's the muse, isn't it?

00:48:26.420 But then you've got to question, this is the original point, which I don't understand.

00:48:33.320 I don't understand whether we are communicating with each other, where, you know, where we can make a crop circle in one field and the other team don't know about us and they're doing the other one we wanted, or whether there is a triangulation.

00:48:46.300 Or whether, as John Keel says, there is like this frequency that can be used by a lot of different things.

00:48:55.760 And those things could include our collective unconsciousness and something else external.

00:49:00.460 He talks about the fact that, the example he uses is one of those old radio dials where, you know, you've got that needle on the station, you're in that station, you think that that is the other station that exists because you're in it.

00:49:15.660 Okay, but were you to just, were that needle to be a little bit wider, you don't turn it, if it was a little bit wider, you'd start to get little messages from other stations as well, which we would then interpret as being spirits or whatever.

00:49:27.460 So, it does also, I think, depend on how open you are to receiving it.

00:49:36.740 I honestly think that.

00:49:37.740 When I speak to crop circle makers that have had mind-blowing experiences, almost all of them have had latent psychic abilities or they've had a history of, you know, missing time or something that attunes them to the phenomenon and makes them want to go and create these things.

00:49:58.580 Have you found a correlation at all, because you seem to have found a correlation between people who are engaging with this phenomenon and people who have latent psychic abilities, have you noticed a correlation between those people and childhood trauma?

00:50:13.900 More than one of them, yeah.

00:50:16.500 But the thing is, you've got to realize, guys, is that sometimes when you're out in the field, you could have worked with this guy for 10 times in different circles, but you don't know enough about them to delve that personally.

00:50:28.580 Right, right, right, right, of course.

00:50:29.900 It's not polite.

00:50:31.440 We're there to do a job.

00:50:32.300 Making crop circles in the middle of the field and be like, hey, how was your childhood?

00:50:35.420 Any rough patches?

00:50:37.060 Yeah, did you see any owls when you were?

00:50:39.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:50:43.960 Big white owls.

00:50:45.500 No, never mind.

00:50:46.380 I'm going to keep on trudging over here.

00:50:48.860 Okay, another question for you.

00:50:51.120 The topic of interest for us lately has been the telepathy tapes.

00:50:54.880 Have you caught wind of these?

00:50:56.720 No, not yet, no.

00:50:57.940 Okay, after this episode, go ahead and listen to every single one because it's exactly what you're talking about.

00:51:05.980 This lady, Kai Dickens, is doing experiments on nonverbal autistic children, but not experiments in like the MK Ultrasensor, at least we would think at first.

00:51:17.440 She's just going and she's trying to dispute their claims of having telepathy with their parents. 0.97

00:51:23.660 And she's failing because she's having a rough go of it. 0.98

00:51:27.800 A rough go.

00:51:28.540 They seem to, they can't really communicate and they're kind of trapped in their own bodies and they can't really, some of them aren't, you know, there's a lot of shaking of arms and there's not much like cohesion, physical cohesion with the severely autistic kids. 0.98

00:51:44.180 But they're guessing numbers like four digit numbers that their mother is seeing in a different room and they're guessing it within a second of her seeing it.

00:51:53.320 And there's also, uh, the story goes on to talk about this place called the hill, which is kind of interesting where these nonverbal autistic children go and they congregate and they learn and they, they speak to each other.

00:52:07.220 So like there's been a cases of, I forget one of the guy's names, he's like, has like a French name, but he's communicating with somebody across the world.

00:52:14.800 And it was confirmed by the parents that they meet up later on.

00:52:17.960 Like they know everything about each other.

00:52:20.580 And, uh, so, so there's a level of telepathy.

00:52:23.000 There's a level of this, uh, the idea of the collective consciousness that you're talking about.

00:52:26.860 They mentioned that in the show as well, but there's a lot of, uh, other nefarious activities going on.

00:52:33.300 You mentioned a radio wave, which is also brought up in this podcast, but our research brings us to more man-made ideas of how this radio wave signal can be manipulated and can be used to transmit messages into people's heads.

00:52:50.840 And, uh, the guy, Andreeja Puharis, he was developing something like this with a dental tooth implant where they were actually using that to do kind of voice to skull technology.

00:53:00.560 So this stuff does track, it tracks directly in line with not only this, uh, the idea of the alien phenomenon or this, uh, the extra, extra dimensional, extraterrestrial beings communicating, but also the human interference in what we're seeing here.

00:53:18.020 And is this all organic?

00:53:19.580 Are we doing this ourselves?

00:53:20.880 Are, are we being pushed in a certain way?

00:53:23.320 Is there a certain genotype that is susceptible to this kind of stuff?

00:53:27.560 Like we're looking at it now, trying to uncover that because it's, it's, it's, uh, it's seeming that way.

00:53:33.760 Dee, do you have, um, are they departing any messages back?

00:53:44.780 What, to the makers or to the, or to the, or to the visitors?

00:53:47.920 Let's, let's, let's say the visitors, right?

00:53:50.180 You guys are going out, you're inspired to do these things.

00:53:52.980 And some of the things that you do in hindsight, end up having really huge significance in, in the information that ends up, you know, being, uh, imparted by these designs that you guys are making.

00:54:06.480 Okay.

00:54:07.000 I'm with you.

00:54:07.720 Um, again, I don't think it's to do with the actual specific design.

00:54:13.120 And some of the time there's, there's, you do make crop circles that you find out are of particular significance to just, just one person.

00:54:22.120 And, you know, there's a tendency to say, Oh, that they've had that for me.

00:54:26.020 You just think they can see to them.

00:54:27.800 They've got egos that then you sit down and I've got a really crazy story about, um, a journalist that I used to know.

00:54:34.580 And he, um, come over to do a piece on, on, on, on, on wonderful, on wonderful wheelchair, not connected to crop, crop circles specifically, but included in there.

00:54:44.860 And, um, he, um, was, was about to depart the next day.

00:54:50.300 And his wife said to him, what, what, what, what, what's the, what's the best present that you could get before we go home?

00:54:55.640 And he said, let's have a crop circle in the back garden. 0.66

00:54:59.560 Okay.

00:55:00.660 And of course there was one the next day for them.

00:55:05.780 But then I found out that that team had intended to make that crop circle in that space three weeks before that couple that even might had even arrived in the UK.

00:55:17.760 And then your, your, your mind starts to scramble because you think, well, there's some sort of time discrepancy there as well.

00:55:25.400 But there was also a situation where I knew a crop circle maker who was in bed and at 12 o'clock dead.

00:55:34.120 Cause he looked at his clock.

00:55:35.280 He felt like he'd been roughly awakened by the shoulder.

00:55:40.000 He said it was an external awakening.

00:55:42.380 It wasn't me waking up.

00:55:44.720 There was, I felt, I felt like I was being shaken and I felt a presence in the room and he had this image of crop circle.

00:55:52.560 And it was basically saying, you have to go and make this thing right now, right now.

00:55:57.080 It has to be done in this field right now.

00:55:59.820 And he thought to himself, well, I can't get a team together cause it's midnight.

00:56:04.800 So whatever I do, it's got to be small.

00:56:07.480 And it, this thing wouldn't go in the end.

00:56:10.360 He went, all right, already I'll go and do it.

00:56:12.180 And he got his kit together.

00:56:13.560 Uh, he walked, he couldn't drive because he had a couple of glasses of wine earlier in the day. 0.77

00:56:19.220 Uh, so he, he walked with his kit, which is stupid, you know, to, to, to do that, you know, went out of car anyway.

00:56:26.760 And he went to make this crop circle in a particular field that wasn't the field that he was supposed to go to.

00:56:32.700 And he felt nauseous and it felt like this thing of, no, don't, don't trick us.

00:56:37.140 He's got to be here.

00:56:38.520 So he walked half a mile or a mile, made this crop circle by himself, which was beyond his capabilities, but he managed to get it done.

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00:57:16.240 And he basically fell asleep on the spot.

00:57:19.060 He was knackered because obviously if you're having a crop circle, that's a four man job for two hours.

00:57:24.400 If you scale it down to one bloke, it's going to be three, you know?

00:57:27.540 Right.

00:57:27.980 So he was knackered and he woke up the next day and there was this group of girls just freaking out.

00:57:35.660 All right.

00:57:36.680 And they were in his crop circle and he just pretended that he was, you know, a rambler.

00:57:43.260 You know, he hid his boards so that they couldn't see him.

00:57:47.240 So he went back and he said, what's going on?

00:57:49.780 And they said, well, we asked Mother Nature for a crop circle and she answered.

00:57:54.540 And he said, what do you mean?

00:57:56.320 And he said, it turned out they were Wiccans or that they were pagans or they had sympatheted towards paganry.

00:58:03.060 And they said, we asked Mother Nature for this particular crop circle.

00:58:08.260 And she took out this pendant around her neck.

00:58:13.760 And she said, this is what we wanted.

00:58:16.200 And we started to meditate on it.

00:58:18.300 And then Mother Nature answered us.

00:58:20.360 And my friend just went, when did you start doing this?

00:58:23.620 And they went, well, midnight, of course, when the power is as its most potent.

00:58:27.700 And then he told me that story and I just thought, what the hell is going on?

00:58:32.980 You know?

00:58:34.500 Why do they want that specific symbol?

00:58:40.940 It was relevant to their beliefs, as I recall.

00:58:46.440 The girl had the pendant on, so it was obviously of some sort of religious or symbolic significance to her.

00:58:52.980 Any recollection as to what the symbol was?

00:58:55.280 I think it was a flower.

00:58:57.480 I don't quote me.

00:58:58.760 I need to speak to the maker.

00:59:00.400 But I think it was a pretty basic flower of life.

00:59:04.020 You know, it's quite basic to do.

00:59:08.720 But he said that the incantation started in his head at midnight and wouldn't go.

00:59:13.400 And when he tried to deceive this thing and go into the wrong field, he then felt really sick until he actually got to the right field and got it done.

00:59:22.600 And he did say this was beyond his capabilities, but he still managed to get it done.

00:59:27.280 You and the people who are doing this, you must spend some amount of time speculating as to the why.

00:59:34.180 Of course.

00:59:35.000 This logo?

00:59:35.540 This kind of symbol?

00:59:36.200 The flower of life?

00:59:37.700 Yeah.

00:59:38.880 Some you do because they're basic.

00:59:40.780 Okay?

00:59:41.460 But as I said, you go to a circle with a design and you go, okay, I've been looking forward to doing this all year.

00:59:47.340 Great.

00:59:47.720 Let's go.

00:59:48.620 And then someone else has already done it.

00:59:50.160 So you've got to cross this bridge in your mind where you're being, and this is probably an uncomfortable one, dependent upon how you're looking at this, but you're being nudged one way or another.

01:00:02.940 And you're not the only one.

01:00:04.000 Several people are being nudged.

01:00:05.980 And that's evident, right, when somebody else gets it done before you do.

01:00:09.980 You're inspired to, but then it's already there.

01:00:14.100 So what have you come up with in regards to the why and what the motivation is?

01:00:19.020 That's, with honesty, the only answer that I can't answer.

01:00:25.260 The only question I can't answer.

01:00:27.060 And that should tell you that my intent's pure. 0.98

01:00:29.360 Because otherwise I'd be coming in here with a load of bullshit and saying this is what it means. 0.86

01:00:33.920 This is the bit we sit down with each other 10 years on, because I'm still in touch with these guys, even though I've been retired for years. 0.66

01:00:39.960 And we go, did you ever have something like that?

01:00:44.940 And they tell a crazy story.

01:00:46.460 And we go, I didn't get something like that.

01:00:48.920 I got that.

01:00:50.200 Okay.

01:00:50.560 So we're all experiencing the same things.

01:00:54.220 Because when it's synchronicities and dreams, you think that's personal to me.

01:00:58.220 So that must be my imagination.

01:01:00.980 Or I'm reading too much into it.

01:01:03.480 Then you step back and you go, right, let's look at this as if you were a skeptic and you were trying to debunk it.

01:01:09.360 Debunk it.

01:01:10.020 And then you go, I can't.

01:01:12.460 I can't.

01:01:13.300 And then you speak to other people.

01:01:15.060 And we've all had the same experiences.

01:01:19.160 Just these crazy.

01:01:20.640 I had a crazy one where I'm a guitar player.

01:01:25.120 And I was playing the guitar at home.

01:01:28.540 And this riff kind of fell onto my fretboard.

01:01:31.220 I thought, that's nice.

01:01:33.160 And then maybe I wrote that.

01:01:35.460 And then I went to the shops.

01:01:36.820 And then it's playing in the supermarket.

01:01:40.020 And then there was something within the lyric where I listened to it.

01:01:44.900 I thought, that's a great idea for a crop circle, that lyric.

01:01:49.200 And then it did not leave me alone.

01:01:52.660 And it was a one-hit wonder from the 70s.

01:01:55.800 It wasn't in vogue.

01:01:57.080 It hadn't been re-released.

01:01:58.100 It wasn't in a film.

01:01:59.720 I'd be on the bus and a pensioner behind me would be whistling it. 0.90

01:02:04.180 I'd go to a quiz night.

01:02:05.440 It would be the first question.

01:02:06.760 My sister said, I picked up some records from this jumble sale.

01:02:12.040 And the first one I picked up was this.

01:02:13.720 I said, don't tell me.

01:02:14.520 Is it this record?

01:02:15.620 And it was becoming to the point where it was enough already.

01:02:19.080 Okay?

01:02:19.740 So I went and made this crop circle with the team.

01:02:22.540 It was of significance to where we placed it.

01:02:25.360 And then after that, I never heard the record again.

01:02:29.240 Because it was like appeased, so to speak.

01:02:31.500 You could almost categorize that as like a precognition in some ways, right?

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01:03:04.420 Yes, because also the time that I did it was,

01:03:08.940 the date that I placed that crop circle was relevant as well.

01:03:14.400 And it was, I kind of just buckled and said, I give in.

01:03:18.040 And when I wrote that story on my sub stack, I thought, right, I'm revisiting this now.

01:03:23.420 Is there any point of that where I could have said, this is just in my mind?

01:03:28.440 And then I'd pick up and thought, no, hold on a minute.

01:03:30.820 I rented a video.

01:03:32.700 It was a VHS video.

01:03:34.120 And that record was on the start of the trailer.

01:03:37.020 It was everywhere.

01:03:38.500 And I haven't heard it since.

01:03:41.800 And if you, yeah.

01:03:43.060 I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:03:43.640 No, if you speak to, this is the way that, I mean, Carl Jung certainly talks about this.

01:03:49.960 And he talks about being related to the interconnectedness of the UFO phenomena.

01:03:54.640 And so does Jacques Vallée.

01:03:56.080 Jacques Vallée says there is no such thing as a coincidence.

01:04:00.800 It's just the little sister of science, you know, and it's all connected.

01:04:04.640 And we are either attuned to it or we act on it or we don't, you know.

01:04:12.240 But there are certainly parallels in ufology with coincidences and synchronicities and dreams that are in cross circles.

01:04:18.680 This is why I think it's all the same thing.

01:04:20.600 And I think that it masquerades as ET, but it's actually much closer to our own consciousness, whether it be interdimensional and external or something which is within us all, which we're externalizing, if that makes sense.

01:04:35.980 The reason that I'm asking these questions about, you know, what do you suppose the point is or what's the motivation or is there a message that is seemingly being imparted on, you know, anybody that's experiencing this call to go and do this is because we repeatedly come across this phenomenon,

01:04:55.180 whether it's with ETs or perceived ETs, whatever they actually are, or just, you know, spiritual downloads, the Telepathy Tapes kids will say something to this effect.

01:05:07.200 Puharaj, who we brought up earlier, he's communicating with nine particular entities called the Enead, the Egyptian Enead.

01:05:14.340 They even identify themselves individually by each name that syncs up with the Egyptian Enead, which is just to say, you know, the Egyptian pantheon.

01:05:22.380 But there was nine particular ones that were very important.

01:05:25.980 And also, it's the same message that people will get in abduction experiences.

01:05:31.160 And that message is something about not only humanity's ascension, but also a warning about a climate-related disaster that's coming.

01:05:40.940 And so, you know, I lay that out just to ask you flat out.

01:05:43.900 In your experiences and your communications with people who are also executing these things, maybe not you, because, you know, you seem to be somebody who, I don't want to say is playing it conservative, right?

01:05:54.500 We're dealing in a realm that many people would call pseudoscience, so far from conservatism.

01:05:59.060 But you're tempering what you're saying with logic and you're being careful.

01:06:06.060 I can't imagine that everybody that runs in your circles is that way.

01:06:09.040 Have you ever heard that message of ascension and climate-related disaster espoused by any of your peers?

01:06:17.100 Yeah, I have.

01:06:17.700 But what you've got to consider there is that we are just the instigators.

01:06:21.020 It's for the people that come in afterwards that may be – that the circles are aimed at rather than us as – you see what I mean?

01:06:29.600 We're just the pawns, if you like, okay?

01:06:32.300 The messengers.

01:06:32.940 So I think – yeah, I think, again, it's messengers.

01:06:36.300 I think we're just the workmen, okay?

01:06:39.340 Right, but somebody else is interpreting these symbols.

01:06:41.700 It's meaningful to them.

01:06:42.320 It's not about us.

01:06:43.320 What we say, guys, is really important.

01:06:45.140 And we say, for the time we're in that field, you know, making this – and we're thinking to ourselves, why am I doing this again?

01:06:52.800 Why am I here at 2 o'clock in the morning, you know, cold, tired, but I'm still here?

01:06:57.860 Why am I doing this again?

01:06:59.020 For the time we're making the circle, it's ours.

01:07:02.520 The nanosecond that we all leave that field, it doesn't belong to us in the world.

01:07:06.680 It belongs to the world.

01:07:08.860 So the answer to your question is that's not for us.

01:07:12.360 It's for the people that come in afterwards.

01:07:13.980 But you've heard that sentiment from the people that come in afterwards.

01:07:17.700 I have indeed.

01:07:19.020 But I'm a bit wary because going back to my ufology studies, what I'm very concerned about is when we – you know we had the contactee phenomenon around the 50s where we had the – we had the Nordic – the Nordic-looking gods with the long hair.

01:07:34.320 And those messages were being imparted then, you know?

01:07:38.900 And that was like 80 years ago, wasn't it?

01:07:42.920 Mm-hmm.

01:07:43.980 And it just – nothing seems to have happened.

01:07:47.300 Well, so I'll cue you in a little bit more of our work.

01:07:52.180 I'm just – the reason that I'm disseminating it the way that I am is because I don't want to make another episode that's enamored entirely by our narrative.

01:07:58.800 But you have this Elon Musk, for example.

01:08:03.800 He is worried about a coming polar shift.

01:08:10.380 And this is something that seems to exist.

01:08:12.980 And I'm not saying that I buy into this.

01:08:15.180 And in fact, just the fact that Elon Musk is espousing it makes me highly skeptical.

01:08:19.880 But still, the narrative exists that something will happen.

01:08:23.820 It will disrupt our magnetosphere.

01:08:25.600 And magnetic north and south will suddenly switch positions.

01:08:28.480 And that this will cause a chain of calamity here on Earth in such a way as to, you know, impact the entire planet.

01:08:38.480 So I have this feeling just given his closeness to this situation of like the telepathy tapes even.

01:08:47.800 He just trademarked telepathy for his Neuralink.

01:08:51.420 And then, of course, you know, Elon Musk himself identifies as autistic, which goes right back to the telepathy tapes again.

01:08:58.300 And so I think that that would be the nature.

01:09:01.180 But I was just curious because I imagine you probably have heard something to that effect.

01:09:06.340 But like you're saying here, you guys are the ones who go out and execute it.

01:09:11.540 The interpretation is left up, it seems, for specific individuals.

01:09:15.180 Because the way you've been describing it is like these things are almost ambiguous and meaningless to you when you're done.

01:09:23.720 But then one person or a group of people will zero in on it and find a tremendous amount of meaning that is very particular to them.

01:09:31.320 It's very personal.

01:09:31.840 And don't forget what's really important to bolt onto that is that the importance is often something that we've made as a mistake or it's not something that's intentional.

01:09:47.340 And the crop circle has ended up different to what it should have been.

01:09:51.120 And yet, if we'd have done the first design, it would have meant nothing.

01:09:54.380 How does that make you feel, Dee, about your own autonomy in this situation?

01:09:57.620 I've got mixed feelings about it because I'm very conscious of what our pop star, Robert Williams, said when he went to the Skinwalker.

01:10:09.680 He says, I'm really interested in it, but I don't want to take it home with me.

01:10:14.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:15.680 That's a valid concern, dude.

01:10:18.020 Have you experienced any like cryptid stuff, UFO stuff?

01:10:22.200 Yeah, that's a great question, Dee.

01:10:23.700 It's like you're doing this.

01:10:24.820 What about the other instances of paranormal activity in your life?

01:10:28.480 Is this happening in a vacuum where otherwise it's just a bright, sunny day and you're just going about your life except for this by nightfall?

01:10:35.160 You're inundated by the paranormal and you're out in your house, anything dropping off counters that shouldn't happen, anything like that?

01:10:42.620 Yeah, I do get little bits like that.

01:10:44.960 But the right side of my brain tells me that it's just not what it is because I'm scared of it.

01:10:50.540 I have to ask you another question really quickly.

01:10:54.960 Can you see the screen share here that I'm showing?

01:10:58.260 Yeah.

01:10:58.920 Do any of the, oh, let me actually show this one.

01:11:02.140 Any of these symbols look like something you've seen on a cornfield?

01:11:08.940 Yeah, the one third row to the last, I've seen that.

01:11:14.640 Third row.

01:11:16.560 All the way at the end over here?

01:11:18.140 Yeah, I've seen that.

01:11:21.060 Okay.

01:11:21.460 Interesting.

01:11:22.060 Do you know what these are?

01:11:23.900 No, they're like runes of some description.

01:11:26.600 Yeah, these are sigils from the symbols of the lesser keys of Solomon.

01:11:33.420 Right.

01:11:33.740 Solomon, obviously, from the Bible, King Solomon, and it's like some of the Kabbalistic teachings will, and other like mystical teachings show that he summoned 72 entities or demons to erect a temple for him.

01:11:48.940 And the way he summoned some of them was by creating their sigil and then encircling it.

01:11:54.780 Because if you know these entities' names, you can then entrap them and make them do your will.

01:11:59.740 That's at least the, that's the mythology behind, or the idea behind these sort of things.

01:12:05.940 But this plays in very well, right, D?

01:12:08.160 It's like you, it's like, yeah, it's like you guys are making these symbols on the ground.

01:12:14.200 You don't know why you're making these symbols, and they have to be precise.

01:12:17.860 And then there is power.

01:12:19.460 Like you said, there's a lot of power if you make this symbol next to a megalithic site, definitely.

01:12:25.820 But it seems like you're bringing power to a certain site, especially if it's directed.

01:12:29.580 We're like, yo, we need this symbol here right now.

01:12:32.020 Like, is this a summoning?

01:12:33.260 Are you writing a name of something?

01:12:34.880 Are you allowing something to then impart itself in that spot?

01:12:40.000 Does it want to be dropped there?

01:12:41.660 Yeah, I'm going to go back to what I just said just now about being scared of it.

01:12:45.200 What I meant was I try and pay reverence and pay deference to the phenomenon and where we're implanting the symbols.

01:12:55.920 Because if it is magic, as you know, it can go either way, okay?

01:13:02.160 And I know people that have made the wrong symbols, and they have had that stuff at home that you're talking about. 0.98

01:13:07.860 You know, it's like it's saying to us, it's normally if a crop circle is made to show off to somebody or his ego, that's when they get the shit at home.

01:13:22.200 You know, it's like they're being reminded that it's not about you. 0.97

01:13:26.780 You're just like the work man, you know, and don't think that you're any bigger than you are, you know.

01:13:34.340 But I'm very conscious about making the – people have said to me in the past, make this circle.

01:13:40.340 I'm going to say no, because it's wrong.

01:13:41.900 It looks wrong, and I don't want that in my life afterwards, you know.

01:13:46.220 I really try and make something which is positive for the people that come in afterwards, you know.

01:13:52.280 It's really important.

01:13:53.200 I think that in these situations, we don't have a lot of tangible, physical things to grab onto, right?

01:14:02.100 I mean, this is all happening in a – you wouldn't even call it a telepathic way because you think that it's your own idea to an extent, right?

01:14:09.780 And only experience would show you over time that maybe that's not the case.

01:14:14.560 But I think when you're dealing with the intangible and you're dealing with a psychic or a spiritual or an ethereal phenomenon, your impression counts for a lot more than maybe you think.

01:14:28.100 Like, so what I want to ask you, Dee, is I want to ask you about your feelings on particularly whatever seems to be imparting this information.

01:14:40.500 And I don't want to jump to any conclusions.

01:14:42.460 I know you said that you're – you know, you get a little fearful when those things start happening around your house.

01:14:47.220 So I don't want to just jump to the conclusion of you are fearful of these entities.

01:14:51.180 That's not what I'm saying here, but is there a consistent impression or a feeling that you get associated with the thought of, you know, what the nature of these things are, why they're imparting?

01:15:03.920 Just any – when you try to look at that –

01:15:05.820 All right, I'm with you.

01:15:06.480 I'm with you.

01:15:06.960 Well, the first thing I'd say is – and I was asked this question in an interview last week.

01:15:11.900 I don't – when I sort of open my mind to it, I don't see entities.

01:15:16.480 I just see – I'm just aware of a physical – sorry, I'm just aware of a metaphysical higher power, and it's something which is ancient, and it's something which is all-knowing, and it's something which is to be respected, and it's not going to get in your way if you don't mess about with it, if you understand what I mean.

01:15:41.000 And – but I also think, why did I make that – what made me go and do that?

01:15:48.180 Because when I made my first one – this is interesting – I said to my partner, I'm hearing all these stories about supernatural activity. 0.58

01:15:56.800 It could be a load of bullshit, so the only way that I'm going to know is if I go out and watch it being done.

01:16:02.720 And I got invited to make a crop circle with my first one. 0.99

01:16:06.180 I was just part of a team stomping.

01:16:08.280 I was doing nothing artistic.

01:16:09.300 And I said to my partner, I said, I'm going out tonight.

01:16:14.100 I've been invited because they said they'd overheard me saying that I'm interested in what happens afterwards, and I'm going to tell you this.

01:16:21.120 If I don't have anything supernatural happen to me, I will never do this again.

01:16:25.420 And we went out, and it was a two-stage formation.

01:16:27.940 It had been started the previous night, but they couldn't finish it because they just ran out of nightlight, because you need the night as your cloak.

01:16:36.200 And so we started to do this.

01:16:38.740 So are you doing this under a full moon most times?

01:16:41.100 Oh, yeah.

01:16:41.700 Yeah.

01:16:43.220 Ideally, yes.

01:16:43.980 You don't time it with a full moon, but if it is a full moon, I mean, people say, oh, you can't do this in the dark.

01:16:50.540 Even if it's pitch dark, your eyes get used to it within, like, 20 minutes.

01:16:53.880 And the second, what people don't realize is when you scribe out a line, that line looks darker than the rest of the crop, so you can see.

01:17:03.480 People say, oh, you need flashlights and torches. 0.98

01:17:05.820 No, you fucking don't. 0.99

01:17:06.940 You don't, okay? 0.99

01:17:08.240 Anyway, your eyes become very used to it very quickly, and as soon as the line is made, that bit is darker than the rest of the crop, okay?

01:17:18.760 That is a myth.

01:17:19.980 You know, people say, I can't see how two drunk folks can do this in the dark.

01:17:23.400 It's not.

01:17:23.880 It's 15, and they get used to it very quickly.

01:17:27.340 But anyway, we made this.

01:17:28.560 We finished the circle.

01:17:30.100 Nothing happened at all.

01:17:31.280 I thought, this is just a load of hogwash.

01:17:33.620 It's just ego.

01:17:35.140 It's just these guys making these stories up.

01:17:37.900 They're hoaxers.

01:17:39.500 It's practical jokes.

01:17:41.780 They're putting the wool over our eyes.

01:17:43.520 Everything that I hate about circle makers.

01:17:46.160 And we finished the circle, and the second that we finished it, I looked at the perimeter edge, and by this time, the sun was coming up.

01:17:53.980 So you had that gray, you know, that hinterland between night and day. 0.98

01:17:58.600 And I saw a flashlight go off like on a Polaroid camera, and I thought, oh, shit, because making crop circles is illegal. 0.95

01:18:09.240 I mean, it's not a criminal offense, but you can get prosecuted by the farmer, and then you're DBSed, and it's a criminal record. 0.98

01:18:15.600 You know, it's not good for you if you want to get a job.

01:18:18.020 Anyway, I saw this camera go off. 0.99

01:18:19.580 I thought, oh, shit, we've been watched. 0.96

01:18:21.280 And then I saw another flash go off, and then another flash go off, and then it was like 12 flashes, and then 30 flashes. 0.99

01:18:32.580 And what these flashes did, they went from a central point, and they proliferated around the edge of the circle until they were surrounding us.

01:18:41.600 And I'd written it in my substack.

01:18:43.300 I called it the biggest necklace in the world.

01:18:45.440 It was just glistening around us. 0.99

01:18:47.160 And I said, what the fuck is that? 0.98

01:18:50.700 And the team leader, who was this guy with the missing time, said, don't worry about that. 0.99

01:18:55.420 That is just it telling us that it's finished.

01:18:59.020 Don't do anything more to the circle because you'll probably mess it up.

01:19:02.280 It's like a little round of applause.

01:19:04.540 And he looked up, and he said, okay, we've done our bit now.

01:19:08.400 Now you go and do your work.

01:19:10.080 And I said to him, who are you talking to?

01:19:12.500 He said, that lot, upstairs.

01:19:16.380 And he was a very genuine person.

01:19:20.940 And when that happened, I freaked out and thought, that was my, that was addicted.

01:19:25.260 I was addicted to doing it after that.

01:19:26.680 And I wasn't doing it for ego.

01:19:28.360 I was just trying to connect with whatever this thing was.

01:19:31.120 And we didn't get a supernatural experience every single time.

01:19:34.060 But 50% of the time, something weird would happen.

01:19:37.640 And, you know, we'd see UOPs, you'd see a pink light appearing just as we were about to make the crop circle.

01:19:44.160 The first force something goes down, and there's a pink light.

01:19:47.720 And we think it's a helicopter.

01:19:49.460 Then we realize that we can't hit the rotors.

01:19:51.520 And then we finish the circle, and it blinks off.

01:19:57.980 A pink light?

01:19:59.560 It was pink, yeah.

01:20:00.400 I distinctly remember it because there was a lot of, see, this is the other thing, guys.

01:20:06.400 When we make these crop circles in these megalithic areas, there's always big military bases.

01:20:12.740 Every single place we go, there's a big military base always coincidentally nearby, okay?

01:20:18.880 So we've been buzzed by choppers.

01:20:22.500 We actually went to make a crop circle once, and this helicopter almost landed in the field we were making.

01:20:28.500 So we just ran.

01:20:29.540 So we reckon that they must have seen the heat off our engines with their night vision.

01:20:35.380 So I distinctly know it was pink this light because I'd attributed it to being a helicopter that had buzzed us a couple of nights before.

01:20:44.700 And it was definitely pink.

01:20:46.300 But we've also seen, I've seen...

01:20:48.440 Let me just say, so Philip K. Dick, he's a sci-fi writer and...

01:20:52.920 Yeah, I know Philip K. Dick, yeah, yeah.

01:20:54.580 Yeah, his experiences started with a pink ray of light where he's experiencing like extreme gnosis, like a download.

01:21:02.340 And it's also triggered by some sort of dental surgery before or after.

01:21:06.240 I'm not sure.

01:21:06.680 I have to do more research on that.

01:21:07.740 But that's in 1974.

01:21:08.700 So that's kind of an interesting overlap, a little serendipitous overlap of possibly seeing or experiencing a similar entity as you.

01:21:17.240 Also, massive overlap when it comes to these experiences and military bases.

01:21:21.780 That really checks out.

01:21:22.760 Oh, yeah, that's a no-brainer.

01:21:24.640 They are just everywhere.

01:21:27.100 And people say, oh, they just use them as GPS markers because it's quite boring doing exercises, flying over the fields and seeing nothing.

01:21:35.380 It all looks the same.

01:21:36.180 So the wing commander would say, oh, go to this GPS report.

01:21:40.020 You're finding it's a crop circle.

01:21:42.260 So I know that does happen.

01:21:45.420 But I've been in crop circles, one during the construction where we had to leg it with that one.

01:21:50.020 We had to run.

01:21:51.280 In fact, I think we left the kit there and we had to drive back for it the next day.

01:21:56.700 It was that bad.

01:21:57.540 We had to get out.

01:21:58.400 Any sightings from you or other people in these events of things that aren't mysterious lights but more like cryptids or something?

01:22:08.120 What do you mean by cryptid?

01:22:09.680 Cryptids like a general term meaning something that seems physical, seems like it might be an animal but is otherwise unidentifiable.

01:22:17.920 Like a Bigfoot would be a cryptid.

01:22:21.480 But so would you might actually call like an alien gray a type of cryptid.

01:22:25.340 But you also might say that.

01:22:26.820 I know of one circle maker who saw this like eight foot high figure in the field.

01:22:35.680 He thought it was another team member.

01:22:38.480 And then he looked and then obviously he said what happened was he looked to the side of the corner of his eye and it kind of disappeared.

01:22:45.160 But he could still feel it behind him.

01:22:47.240 And everywhere he looked, it was just flitting out of view.

01:22:50.360 And what he said was that he was so scared.

01:22:56.640 He went to hit it with his board and it just vanished.

01:23:01.000 Yeah, I wasn't sure if I should put that story in my substat because it's kind of the stuff I don't want to talk about.

01:23:07.960 It didn't happen to me.

01:23:11.160 But what we had a situation.

01:23:12.700 It's very interesting what you said about the sunlight.

01:23:14.840 Because, you know, with this stuff being quite gothic, you associate it with what happened at night.

01:23:22.600 And then in the daytime, you think, oh, it's a lovely sunny day.

01:23:26.060 Nothing gothic can happen here because the sun's out.

01:23:28.520 You know, I can do what I like.

01:23:30.260 And I went to a crop circle that we'd made the previous night with a relative of mine.

01:23:37.620 And we were walking around and the wheat crunches when it's freshly, you know, when you're walking the next day.

01:23:47.660 And we could hear like this crunching of wheat behind us. 0.98

01:23:50.700 And it was like this really shit private detective who was following you. 0.98

01:23:54.440 And then like in the films where when you stop, it takes a couple of seconds to stop after you, like in the cartoons, you know. 0.99

01:24:01.020 And this kept on happening.

01:24:02.560 And I said to my cousin, are you hearing that as well?

01:24:05.080 And we filmed it, actually.

01:24:06.320 And we actually filmed this sound.

01:24:08.620 I said, okay, let's walk and let's stop.

01:24:10.640 So we could crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch, stop.

01:24:12.760 And then crunched behind us.

01:24:15.380 And it was almost as if this thing was using our footsteps to shroud its own as it was going around.

01:24:22.820 And we filmed it.

01:24:24.660 So I know it happened.

01:24:26.760 And then there was no one else in the circle.

01:24:30.860 And then we both looked.

01:24:33.320 That's the other thing.

01:24:34.460 We both were impelled to look to our right-hand side without saying anything to each other.

01:24:38.740 So that's strange in itself.

01:24:40.820 And we saw this almost opaque shadow over the crop.

01:24:48.140 Something bigger than a normal-sized human being would be.

01:24:51.700 But it was a definite figure.

01:24:53.820 And, of course, we looked behind.

01:24:55.740 And there's nothing there. 0.98

01:24:57.000 And I just said, I'm fucking getting out of here. 0.97

01:25:00.720 It's time to go. 0.99

01:25:01.700 That's a good indicator that it's time to go.

01:25:04.060 I wish we had a more direct line to Tony Merkel for you. 0.53

01:25:08.480 Because you would be a killer guest on the confessionals. 0.87

01:25:12.140 This is a...

01:25:12.780 Let me ask you this, D.

01:25:13.840 What he's looking for.

01:25:14.720 If I told my wife that I was going out at 2 a.m. to go lay down some crop circles...

01:25:20.320 Well, you wouldn't go at 2.

01:25:21.160 You'd go at 10.

01:25:22.060 Because with 2, you've only got an hour of work.

01:25:25.100 Right, right.

01:25:25.360 You've got to get there with enough time to spare.

01:25:27.080 So if I said, babe, I'm going out tonight.

01:25:29.200 You're ricky.

01:25:29.620 And she said, what are you doing?

01:25:30.820 And I said, I'm going to a field.

01:25:32.060 And I'm going to go risk a misdemeanor, potentially.

01:25:37.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:38.500 So what is her thoughts in all of this as you're going and doing this thing?

01:25:43.220 Because at some point, you tell her initially that you're going to go do this.

01:25:45.860 Then you realize there's veracity to it.

01:25:47.440 Then you continue on this process.

01:25:49.300 What is she thinking through all of this?

01:25:51.660 Well, it's a really good question.

01:25:53.300 Because I stopped.

01:25:55.300 Because you've got to write the next...

01:25:57.920 She wasn't thrilled?

01:25:58.980 No, she's not as aligned.

01:26:00.960 But that's good.

01:26:01.900 That's a good thing, guys.

01:26:02.840 Because it means that I can say this mad thing happened.

01:26:05.680 And she goes, no, it didn't.

01:26:06.520 It's this.

01:26:06.940 And I go, oh, yeah, actually, you're right.

01:26:08.500 You know, she... 0.99

01:26:10.100 But I've known circle makers that have gone down that road you're talking about.

01:26:14.680 And they've lost.

01:26:16.460 They've lost stuff, you know.

01:26:18.080 Yeah.

01:26:18.500 Because I definitely have two or three that I can think of at the top of my head.

01:26:23.420 But I currently thought, well, no, there's other parts of my life that are very positive.

01:26:29.660 But the strange thing is, when I started to write this sub stack,

01:26:34.180 I was starting to get the same phenomenon as I was writing this,

01:26:37.280 as I was experiencing in the field.

01:26:39.040 I'd meet random people.

01:26:40.760 I'd have a story for me.

01:26:42.060 And I thought, how do we get onto crop circles?

01:26:44.140 We're talking about something completely different.

01:26:47.280 You know, so I've been experiencing the same tropes

01:26:50.880 and the same syncs and the same dreams.

01:26:53.640 There's all the same stuff when writing this stuff than I did when I was actually in the field.

01:26:58.220 It's almost as if you're opening yourself back up to it,

01:27:01.440 even though I haven't had a direct line into it for 10 years.

01:27:04.180 Now I've sort of opened myself back up to it. 0.99

01:27:06.640 And that shit is happening again. 0.99

01:27:09.080 Opened yourself up to something that wants to be noticed. 1.00

01:27:12.300 It wants to engage, it seems.

01:27:14.180 And it wants to be not discovered, but it's certainly not playing covert.

01:27:19.860 I'm not doing myself any favors by doing this,

01:27:26.780 because obviously people don't want to think it's humans.

01:27:31.340 They don't want to know.

01:27:32.360 Okay.

01:27:32.620 What I'm saying is if you just take that step with us,

01:27:35.140 and I'm not saying they're all that way.

01:27:36.680 I'm just saying,

01:27:37.340 I'm just saying if in human circles,

01:27:40.580 there is strangeness,

01:27:42.200 which could be aligned to something else.

01:27:44.000 I'm not saying every single circle is man-made.

01:27:46.620 Okay.

01:27:47.220 Right.

01:27:47.720 I'm certain,

01:27:48.400 certainly with those early 1980s ones,

01:27:50.540 I don't know what made those,

01:27:52.440 but what we're saying is we've got,

01:27:55.880 people like me have got a lot to lose by,

01:27:57.900 but by doing these kinds of shows,

01:27:59.440 because we get trolled and,

01:28:00.760 you know,

01:28:00.940 I've had everything from when I started doing the substat,

01:28:03.660 I had a message saying,

01:28:04.640 okay,

01:28:05.680 how much of the CIA paying you?

01:28:08.260 Right.

01:28:09.060 You know,

01:28:09.520 and you obviously work for the FBI,

01:28:11.380 you know,

01:28:11.680 are you MI5?

01:28:12.620 And you're going,

01:28:13.000 no,

01:28:13.180 I'm just saying that D right. 0.97

01:28:14.540 It's like,

01:28:14.960 you're engaging with a phenomenon that science tells you doesn't exist.

01:28:19.240 And,

01:28:19.640 and just by its nature,

01:28:20.820 it is therefore incredible.

01:28:22.560 And because it's incredible,

01:28:23.920 you can,

01:28:24.640 and I'm sure you've seen people and maybe even experiences to a degree yourself

01:28:27.840 become obsessed with this thing.

01:28:30.120 And then,

01:28:30.680 like you said,

01:28:31.300 you've got good things,

01:28:32.360 right?

01:28:32.540 You've got a,

01:28:33.040 a wife that you love in a,

01:28:34.900 in a life that,

01:28:36.060 you know,

01:28:36.300 you'd probably be happy if it continued on in a pretty normal way.

01:28:39.220 And then there's this thing that seeks to disrupt that.

01:28:41.880 If you should look too deeply into it.

01:28:43.960 So,

01:28:44.160 yeah,

01:28:44.280 I mean,

01:28:44.460 there's a,

01:28:45.580 it's,

01:28:45.860 it's when people say that you're doing this sort of thing for either,

01:28:51.280 you know,

01:28:51.540 the CIA is one thing or for like attention.

01:28:53.780 It's like,

01:28:54.220 it doesn't really bring you great attention,

01:28:55.940 not in a way that it doesn't bring me any attention.

01:28:58.920 I'm not getting,

01:28:59.660 I don't make any money from it.

01:29:01.520 Right.

01:29:01.880 You know,

01:29:03.000 the sub stack,

01:29:04.000 I invite you guys to go and go on my sub stack,

01:29:07.020 just subscribe for free.

01:29:08.180 And you're,

01:29:08.480 you're,

01:29:08.900 you're listeners.

01:29:09.680 I'm not,

01:29:09.980 I'm not asking you for money.

01:29:11.360 I'm not saying go behind the wall,

01:29:12.880 just,

01:29:13.140 just subscribe for nothing and see what I've got to say,

01:29:15.340 because I'm only echoing the stories that I've had from other circle makers.

01:29:19.200 And time and time and time again,

01:29:20.900 a circle maker has given me a story and I've got,

01:29:22.900 I can't use that Mr.

01:29:23.960 T because I've got 10 other people at the top with the same thing.

01:29:26.720 So,

01:29:27.120 so I'm just using the best,

01:29:29.440 you know,

01:29:29.760 the best one.

01:29:31.560 I've got nothing to gain at all.

01:29:33.120 It's just that we all seem to be having these identical experiences.

01:29:37.200 But I want to tell you a funny story that this connected to what you just

01:29:41.100 said.

01:29:42.080 I had a situation where I had a friend who was a crop circle maker,

01:29:45.740 but his friends didn't know that he was a crop circle maker.

01:29:48.120 They just knew that he was obsessed with these things.

01:29:51.020 Of all the things,

01:29:51.720 by the way,

01:29:52.160 that you could hide and sort of come out of the proverbial closet with.

01:29:56.580 People think like,

01:29:57.660 I don't know,

01:29:58.100 something has just changed,

01:29:59.400 you know,

01:29:59.700 about Kevin.

01:30:00.360 He's just acting off.

01:30:02.080 And I don't know what it is.

01:30:03.040 And all the things,

01:30:03.620 is it drug usage?

01:30:04.660 No,

01:30:04.780 he's tired.

01:30:05.580 Kevin's tired.

01:30:06.380 Maybe he's tired.

01:30:07.520 Yeah.

01:30:08.000 And then when he finally reveals it to you,

01:30:09.800 he's like,

01:30:10.020 I've been making crop circles.

01:30:11.320 Like,

01:30:11.620 man,

01:30:12.300 that's a hard one.

01:30:13.280 I don't even know where to put that.

01:30:14.660 Yeah.

01:30:14.880 Yeah.

01:30:15.240 Yeah.

01:30:15.760 But I had this friend and he was quite obsessive about it.

01:30:19.820 And one day his workmates said to him,

01:30:23.420 you've got to get to this field.

01:30:25.420 There's one of your big corn drawings.

01:30:29.520 It's behind the barn in this field.

01:30:32.020 And he went,

01:30:32.380 well,

01:30:32.440 I can't go now because I'm at work.

01:30:34.080 I'll wait till I've gone to,

01:30:35.160 I'll wait till lunch.

01:30:36.200 And the boss said,

01:30:37.340 no,

01:30:37.500 you can go now.

01:30:38.180 It's okay.

01:30:38.640 Go,

01:30:38.920 go find your,

01:30:39.940 we'll show you where it is.

01:30:42.240 So he went and he found it and he took pictures of it and it was brilliant.

01:30:47.480 And he came back and he thought,

01:30:49.020 well,

01:30:49.200 this is quite a turning point.

01:30:50.940 because my workmates obviously,

01:30:52.920 you know,

01:30:53.760 starting to indulge my curiosities.

01:30:56.100 This is really,

01:30:56.720 this is,

01:30:57.120 this is progress.

01:30:58.440 So he went back to the office.

01:30:59.860 They were all laughing at him.

01:31:01.360 Oh,

01:31:02.320 did you have a productive day?

01:31:03.920 Yeah.

01:31:04.280 Yeah.

01:31:04.720 Yeah.

01:31:04.900 And he goes,

01:31:05.420 yeah,

01:31:05.520 I've got pictures of it.

01:31:06.580 And then the whole room just fell silent.

01:31:09.660 And he said,

01:31:10.240 I've got pictures of it.

01:31:11.200 And he showed,

01:31:11.840 he showed,

01:31:12.280 he had one of those old,

01:31:13.260 you know,

01:31:15.180 cameras with the screen on it.

01:31:16.960 So this is back in the two thousands and he passed it around,

01:31:19.800 like past the parcel.

01:31:20.980 He said,

01:31:21.200 it was like watching an adult's pop,

01:31:23.320 an adult's party game of miserable adults playing past the parcel.

01:31:27.100 Cause they all saw this picture and they all went completely quiet.

01:31:33.440 And then,

01:31:34.280 and then the upshot was that they had collectively invented this non-existent crop circle.

01:31:40.780 And they said he had to go then and there because he,

01:31:44.080 they knew that if he was too much,

01:31:46.220 if he'd made a few well-placed phone calls,

01:31:48.940 he'd have found out there was nothing there.

01:31:51.740 And of course he goes.

01:31:53.380 And it was exactly where they said it was going to be.

01:31:55.920 So it was like kind of the phenomena flipping over to the people that were

01:32:02.260 insulting him.

01:32:03.300 Do you understand?

01:32:04.340 Yeah.

01:32:04.500 That's an incredible,

01:32:05.760 I mean,

01:32:06.440 talk about this phenomena,

01:32:08.000 having his back.

01:32:09.360 Yeah.

01:32:09.880 Having his back.

01:32:10.880 Absolutely.

01:32:11.620 Yeah.

01:32:12.060 Cause,

01:32:12.620 cause otherwise he would have been,

01:32:14.080 made to not only look insane,

01:32:16.100 which is probably what they were already assuming,

01:32:17.660 but then he would have been,

01:32:18.540 you know, 1.00

01:32:18.780 the ass of all the jokes in the office forever. 0.99

01:32:20.660 And instead this phenomenon goes, 0.99

01:32:23.540 I'll show you.

01:32:24.840 And he said,

01:32:25.720 they never made fun of me again.

01:32:27.300 Yeah.

01:32:27.860 I bet they didn't.

01:32:28.580 I bet they were in the fields with him the next day.

01:32:31.320 D.

01:32:31.860 Okay.

01:32:32.200 All right.

01:32:33.080 Put your boots on guys.

01:32:34.740 You strike me as someone who,

01:32:37.180 who spends quite a bit of time passing this through the analytical mind.

01:32:41.760 Right.

01:32:41.880 I mean,

01:32:42.680 you know so much of this is intangible,

01:32:45.760 but I would imagine that after enough experiences,

01:32:49.140 you had to have done research.

01:32:51.140 No.

01:32:52.360 What type of research?

01:32:53.440 What do you mean?

01:32:54.440 Well,

01:32:54.700 that's a good question,

01:32:55.540 right?

01:32:55.680 It's like,

01:32:55.920 where does one even start?

01:32:56.940 My question in return would be,

01:32:59.360 where did you start?

01:33:00.760 How did you start?

01:33:01.720 Did you start trying to pull at this thread?

01:33:03.760 Did you get on forums?

01:33:04.820 Did you try to understand this?

01:33:06.020 Did you look at the information that exists?

01:33:07.880 And,

01:33:08.440 and if so,

01:33:09.680 D,

01:33:10.040 did you find anything that you felt fits?

01:33:13.960 Well,

01:33:15.200 yeah,

01:33:17.400 it's,

01:33:17.580 it's,

01:33:17.800 it's mainly negative because when you go on,

01:33:21.220 if you,

01:33:21.500 if you go into a forum and you say,

01:33:23.360 this is a human weight crop circle,

01:33:26.440 but something really strange happened,

01:33:28.240 you just get the trolls because they don't want to hear it.

01:33:32.680 So if you say my friend made this crop circle,

01:33:35.880 but as he made it,

01:33:37.080 that there was,

01:33:37.720 there was UAP activity.

01:33:38.980 The second you say,

01:33:40.380 my friend made this crop circle,

01:33:42.540 they jump on you.

01:33:44.240 They jump on you because unfortunately this,

01:33:46.880 at the end of the day is a business guys.

01:33:49.040 It used to bring in millions of pounds to,

01:33:51.260 to,

01:33:51.540 to the local area.

01:33:52.860 Not so much now because the proliferation has gone down.

01:33:56.880 Last year was the worst season we've ever had for crop circles.

01:33:59.500 I think there was like something like eight.

01:34:01.320 Whereas in the heyday,

01:34:02.520 you know,

01:34:02.860 when I was doing it,

01:34:03.660 it was like 60.

01:34:05.120 Are you saying like a tourism,

01:34:06.660 like a town will,

01:34:07.520 will kind of.

01:34:07.920 Absolutely.

01:34:08.480 Of course we've got,

01:34:09.620 we've got Benny breakfast.

01:34:10.720 We've got,

01:34:11.100 you know,

01:34:11.300 there's a lot of money here.

01:34:12.920 Okay.

01:34:13.680 So unfortunately the money doesn't want,

01:34:17.340 you know,

01:34:18.020 any doubt in selling in people's minds that it's not aliens,

01:34:22.420 you know,

01:34:22.860 so the answer is yes,

01:34:25.380 I've gone.

01:34:26.440 It is,

01:34:26.920 but that's where we are.

01:34:28.180 So that's how I know about the Oliver's castle footage.

01:34:31.820 That's this very,

01:34:32.840 very dubious,

01:34:33.740 very dubious.

01:34:34.880 Okay.

01:34:35.120 But unfortunately,

01:34:35.960 because it fits into confirmation bias and it fits into their,

01:34:40.880 into their narrative,

01:34:41.900 they're going to believe it.

01:34:43.440 And they say to us,

01:34:44.780 why don't you film yourselves making a crop circle?

01:34:47.500 Now that has done,

01:34:48.760 that's happened a few times,

01:34:50.400 but you have to sacrifice the circle to do that because there's authorship.

01:34:54.920 Okay.

01:34:55.320 So we'll say,

01:34:55.900 okay,

01:34:56.180 you want it?

01:34:56.900 We'll send you,

01:34:57.660 we'll do a time-lapse full,

01:35:00.340 full make and we'll post it.

01:35:02.500 And then whether they say it's fake or how do we know they're people?

01:35:06.720 They look like greys. 0.99

01:35:07.920 You can't win.

01:35:10.620 Right.

01:35:11.180 Right.

01:35:12.020 It's,

01:35:12.300 it's interesting because you have like the modern archeological sites where

01:35:15.480 they're falling all over themselves to say humans made this stuff.

01:35:19.100 You know,

01:35:19.340 this,

01:35:19.540 there wouldn't,

01:35:19.960 there weren't giants doing any of this,

01:35:21.340 even though,

01:35:21.760 you know,

01:35:21.920 in Peru,

01:35:22.360 they're like,

01:35:22.820 no,

01:35:22.960 no,

01:35:23.080 these megalithic structures were created by a race of giants.

01:35:27.360 Yeah.

01:35:27.700 Yeah.

01:35:28.020 Yeah.

01:35:28.540 But it's the opposite with crop circles.

01:35:30.500 They're like,

01:35:30.740 this is definitely aliens.

01:35:32.720 People had nothing to do with this.

01:35:34.380 The paradox that we've got here,

01:35:36.080 guys,

01:35:36.420 is,

01:35:36.700 is I've never seen this paradox in any other subject.

01:35:40.120 But the spiritually awakened people,

01:35:42.920 the supposedly spiritually awakened people will say to us,

01:35:46.200 we are human beings.

01:35:47.740 We are being suppressed.

01:35:49.640 We are,

01:35:50.460 we are,

01:35:51.140 we are not allowed to know what our full capabilities are in case we rise up

01:35:55.120 against our oppressors.

01:35:56.340 We can do this.

01:35:57.660 We can do that.

01:35:58.560 We can fly.

01:35:59.320 We can do this.

01:36:00.420 Oh,

01:36:00.700 but we can't flatten corn in pretty patches.

01:36:03.000 You know?

01:36:05.380 Yeah.

01:36:05.820 Because it,

01:36:06.540 because it goes against the narrative.

01:36:08.600 The first,

01:36:10.620 the first time I went to a crop circle,

01:36:12.240 I said,

01:36:13.340 I looked around and I had this overwhelming feeling of,

01:36:19.260 I know this.

01:36:21.980 It's like I had an answer.

01:36:23.820 I understand this.

01:36:25.100 The crop circle looked completely incongruous within its environment.

01:36:29.500 But at the same time,

01:36:30.940 it looked precisely like it was supposed to be there.

01:36:33.940 And I had this serene feeling where I had this thing of my ancestors understood

01:36:39.420 what this means.

01:36:40.220 And it's really simple and it's really beautiful,

01:36:43.400 but I can't quite grasp it.

01:36:48.160 You know,

01:36:48.460 it's interesting because it doesn't do that to any of our theories.

01:36:54.520 What you're saying here doesn't strike me in a way where I go,

01:36:59.500 oh,

01:36:59.620 this doesn't fit.

01:37:00.460 How do I make this puzzle piece fit?

01:37:01.800 It fits pretty comfortably actually,

01:37:03.900 because we,

01:37:04.660 we kind of suspect here on our show that much of like the technological advancements

01:37:11.200 that if you,

01:37:11.800 if you believe in that idea that the government is,

01:37:14.000 you know,

01:37:14.600 several decades ahead of us,

01:37:17.480 technologically speaking,

01:37:18.380 and then we get a slow roll.

01:37:20.040 So if we have the iPhone,

01:37:21.060 they have something else that's,

01:37:22.220 you know,

01:37:22.640 exponentially superior to the iPhone.

01:37:26.080 And so I,

01:37:27.480 we suspect that what happens is human beings are motivated by something outside of

01:37:34.080 themselves to engage in something.

01:37:37.300 And,

01:37:37.560 and I think that trope even goes back to pagan mythologies that attribute advancements

01:37:45.360 in technology.

01:37:46.120 And I'm using technology in the,

01:37:48.200 in the sense of let's say,

01:37:50.000 for example,

01:37:50.320 like agriculture would have been attributed to one God.

01:37:53.440 Metallurgy would have been attributed to another God.

01:37:56.820 And it just seems that there is an inspiration and a teaching that is imparted on us.

01:38:03.680 And then we are the mechanism that makes it appear in our physical realm.

01:38:08.880 And so when it comes to people being motivated one way or another are inspired to create something

01:38:15.760 that then seemingly takes on a meaning that the individuals who created it never meant to impart on their creation,

01:38:23.500 that,

01:38:24.020 that doesn't at all not fit.

01:38:26.620 In fact,

01:38:27.420 it's,

01:38:27.740 it's almost glaringly consistent with that.

01:38:31.720 Yeah.

01:38:32.200 There's,

01:38:32.460 there's another,

01:38:33.220 there's another part of that,

01:38:34.680 of that timeline,

01:38:35.760 which is,

01:38:36.300 I'm not sure if I can get my head around this,

01:38:38.080 but a circle maker said to me something,

01:38:40.280 which I thought that could be the case.

01:38:42.580 Cause when we had the basic circles,

01:38:45.740 the really simple ones that look like the birth UFOs,

01:38:49.060 they were very,

01:38:50.140 very simple.

01:38:51.400 Um,

01:38:51.720 but it looked as if something had come down and ban it and then gone back up again.

01:38:56.940 Okay.

01:38:57.600 Really basic.

01:38:58.620 Like it was like a vortex.

01:38:59.620 And my friend said to me,

01:39:01.740 this is a little bit like when people get in a trance state or they have,

01:39:06.800 or they have,

01:39:07.460 um,

01:39:07.760 readings with spiritualists or on a Ouija board,

01:39:10.420 this thing comes through.

01:39:12.040 It's got only enough energy to expend,

01:39:15.080 to go through this veil,

01:39:16.960 so to speak.

01:39:17.540 Then it's exhausted.

01:39:18.960 And then it stays for a bit and says,

01:39:20.860 I'm tired and goes away.

01:39:22.400 He said,

01:39:22.880 that's kind of like what was happening with those first really simple circles.

01:39:29.220 And he said,

01:39:30.180 do you think it could be that that was like a recruitment drive for us to say,

01:39:35.460 well,

01:39:35.540 we could do better than that.

01:39:36.940 And then the second that we do,

01:39:39.480 it stays within its realm and says,

01:39:41.360 right,

01:39:41.660 I've got you now.

01:39:44.100 Yeah.

01:39:44.640 It's like,

01:39:45.060 uh,

01:39:45.900 I don't know,

01:39:46.340 the 1996 windows computer somehow begot,

01:39:49.900 uh,

01:39:50.880 grok,

01:39:51.620 you know,

01:39:52.420 the AI that's now telling me everything I need to know about everything.

01:39:55.640 It's like,

01:39:56.060 yeah,

01:39:56.580 like here's a little tidbit,

01:39:58.540 not even a computer,

01:39:59.500 you know,

01:39:59.660 like a,

01:40:00.020 the rudimentary calculators,

01:40:01.640 like here's a little something.

01:40:03.080 And then people take it,

01:40:04.260 they run with it.

01:40:05.100 And it's like,

01:40:05.660 maybe that's the direction that we were always supposed to run with this,

01:40:08.540 uh,

01:40:09.260 this thing that was given to us.

01:40:10.380 But,

01:40:10.540 uh,

01:40:11.140 D I wanted to ask you one more question because we have to get out of here in a

01:40:14.820 minute.

01:40:15.220 We have another guest coming on at one,

01:40:16.980 but,

01:40:17.340 um,

01:40:18.180 I know I,

01:40:18.780 I still have so many other go.

01:40:21.340 I go.

01:40:21.480 Yeah.

01:40:21.740 I get that a lot.

01:40:22.580 Don't worry.

01:40:23.560 But we'd have to have,

01:40:24.320 we have to have you back on again.

01:40:25.680 Um,

01:40:25.960 especially when your book is,

01:40:27.260 is finalized.

01:40:28.200 So we could,

01:40:28.700 I want a copy at least.

01:40:30.520 Um,

01:40:30.620 why do you think,

01:40:32.660 why do you think you are doing this right now?

01:40:35.780 You,

01:40:35.960 you've hung up your,

01:40:36.860 uh,

01:40:37.800 your,

01:40:38.280 your crop circle boots.

01:40:40.520 Uh,

01:40:40.840 it seems like a decade ago,

01:40:42.180 but you're back in it.

01:40:44.080 Yeah.

01:40:44.760 Yeah.

01:40:45.200 Now you're back in and you're doing this endeavor,

01:40:48.180 but why right now?

01:40:49.760 Because all of this stuff is happening right now at the same time.

01:40:53.540 And it seems like you've been poked and nudged again to continue your,

01:40:57.420 your efforts in a,

01:40:58.400 in a different manner.

01:40:59.420 Okay.

01:40:59.800 I tried to do this in 2018 with a,

01:41:02.640 with a,

01:41:02.900 with a musician friend of mine.

01:41:04.620 It's quite a famous musician.

01:41:05.520 And he said,

01:41:06.980 I'm getting all this stuff at home.

01:41:08.580 Exactly what you're talking about guys.

01:41:10.520 You know?

01:41:11.680 And he said,

01:41:12.560 we shouldn't be doing this.

01:41:13.820 And I looked last year and saw we'd had the worst ever record of crop circles.

01:41:18.820 And none of them were any good.

01:41:20.020 I think two were good.

01:41:20.980 And Mike,

01:41:22.760 I had this feeling where I thought whatever the phenomena is,

01:41:26.200 it's as if it's failed and given up because it,

01:41:30.260 it got bored of the infighting and the politics and it's gone away.

01:41:35.060 So I don't feel I'm doing any harm and this is the right time to do it because

01:41:40.840 the phenomenon seems to have like dissipated and gone.

01:41:45.760 So now's the time to talk about it.

01:41:47.320 I could be wrong.

01:41:48.060 It could,

01:41:48.320 there could be 60 this year.

01:41:49.720 I don't know,

01:41:50.380 but it just feels like certain jigsaw puzzles of jigsaw pieces of fitted

01:41:56.640 together in my life to say,

01:41:58.120 well,

01:41:58.820 why not now?

01:42:00.080 You've run out of excuses not to do this now.

01:42:03.580 And it's kind of dissipating anyway.

01:42:07.580 So you're not doing any harm.

01:42:09.280 And it's,

01:42:09.600 and people should know about it because nobody talks about this part of the

01:42:13.560 phenomena.

01:42:14.020 I've got friends that have been knocked off lecture circuits.

01:42:17.300 You know,

01:42:17.540 people say,

01:42:18.280 I'm not,

01:42:18.740 I'm not going to do a tour.

01:42:20.800 If Rob buckles on my tour,

01:42:22.320 because he's,

01:42:22.960 he's talking about super,

01:42:24.200 supernatural stuff in human circles.

01:42:26.300 You know,

01:42:26.920 we're ostracized.

01:42:28.240 We're just follow the money in it.

01:42:29.980 We're not giving people what they want to hear.

01:42:31.800 But I just think it's kind of the right time.

01:42:36.500 Okay.

01:42:36.800 So this is probably gonna be the final question because we've got to get out

01:42:39.940 of here.

01:42:40.120 But is it,

01:42:42.120 is it fair to characterize this as you are a participant in something?

01:42:49.940 And I would say an unwilling participant,

01:42:51.660 only just in the sense that you don't know exactly the thing that you set out to do.

01:42:56.040 And so in that way,

01:42:57.660 you cannot give,

01:42:58.160 yeah,

01:42:58.980 you can't give like fully informed consent.

01:43:01.080 Right.

01:43:02.460 And,

01:43:03.060 and this thing thereby is obscuring its agenda to you.

01:43:09.020 Um,

01:43:09.720 and obscure by omission is still,

01:43:12.340 you know,

01:43:12.900 obscuring,

01:43:13.420 right.

01:43:13.700 Uh,

01:43:14.700 it's just not telling you,

01:43:16.480 but it is moving you.

01:43:18.640 And,

01:43:19.160 um,

01:43:19.380 and I'm very comfortable with that idea.

01:43:20.700 I don't disbelieve that at all.

01:43:21.920 I think that that's,

01:43:22.600 uh,

01:43:23.060 probably exactly what's going on in the vast majority of cases.

01:43:26.360 And,

01:43:26.700 and then still there's room for this other thing to be happening where they might be

01:43:29.800 coming down somehow and doing this.

01:43:31.120 But the question that I have is if we can characterize your part in this as such uninformed consent and an obscuring of the agenda,

01:43:41.400 then is there room in your mind for this thing that moves you to not have not necessarily your best interests in mind,

01:43:50.760 but humanities?

01:43:53.040 I don't know.

01:43:55.820 I'm just,

01:43:56.780 we were just compelled to do it.

01:43:59.180 And I tried for my intent to be good and not to put bad symbols in there,

01:44:04.380 but that's the bit that I really am not comfortable with.

01:44:07.760 And it's kind of why I'm glad I'm one of the reasons I'm not doing it anymore.

01:44:11.740 You know,

01:44:11.960 and that's when I'm doing the sub stack,

01:44:13.760 I do step back and sometimes I say,

01:44:15.860 should you be doing this?

01:44:16.680 Cause you're attracting whatever this is,

01:44:19.080 you know,

01:44:20.120 that's the answer.

01:44:21.680 Have you fair,

01:44:22.860 this,

01:44:23.140 this is a,

01:44:23.860 this is coming from my,

01:44:25.120 my background,

01:44:26.000 but,

01:44:26.300 uh,

01:44:27.140 have you ever thought about using the name of Jesus Christ?

01:44:29.940 When you're,

01:44:30.840 uh,

01:44:31.340 if you,

01:44:31.740 if you feel like you need to talk about this,

01:44:34.140 um,

01:44:34.740 maybe using that name to,

01:44:36.880 uh,

01:44:37.800 we,

01:44:38.500 we've heard from a bunch of people that that,

01:44:41.240 that name stops,

01:44:42.640 uh,

01:44:43.800 these experiences in its tracks.

01:44:45.880 It's not just me.

01:44:46.760 I mean,

01:44:47.200 I'd say probably 30 people that have come on this show have told us their own

01:44:51.180 experience.

01:44:52.260 David has had his own experience with it where that's worked out.

01:44:55.600 But to stop your,

01:44:57.420 you,

01:44:57.640 you mentioned earlier,

01:44:58.420 there was like poltergeist esque activity in your own home,

01:45:01.480 which you didn't,

01:45:02.320 you weren't too much of a fan of.

01:45:03.560 Hmm.

01:45:05.220 No,

01:45:05.700 I haven't.

01:45:06.160 I haven't.

01:45:07.000 I tend to like try and not put myself in the fire ice and not do anything that might provoke

01:45:15.120 whatever this is by putting the wrong symbols down or writing the wrong stories.

01:45:19.180 You know,

01:45:20.620 that's the answer.

01:45:21.520 I'm very wary if that's,

01:45:23.320 if that answers your question.

01:45:25.000 D I I'd be very interested in having a continuing dialogue with you,

01:45:28.920 whatever you're doing here and the work that you're,

01:45:31.780 uh,

01:45:32.260 you're exposing on your,

01:45:33.480 your sub stack.

01:45:34.440 Um,

01:45:35.180 I think it's very important,

01:45:36.540 especially if the larger UFO community,

01:45:39.540 or at least the crop circle community,

01:45:41.080 a subsect of it,

01:45:41.920 uh,

01:45:42.280 isn't readily accepting this information or,

01:45:45.280 or allowing you to present it or,

01:45:46.820 uh,

01:45:47.640 anything like that.

01:45:48.360 I'd be very interested in having you back.

01:45:50.100 I would also recommend,

01:45:51.440 uh,

01:45:51.980 D give a listen to a couple of our last episodes on the topic of the telepathy tapes.

01:45:57.540 You might find something interesting.

01:45:58.980 I don't know what,

01:46:00.260 um,

01:46:00.880 but you might find something interesting in,

01:46:03.240 in some of those episodes.

01:46:04.740 Uh,

01:46:05.140 and as far as how it applies to this phenomenon and some of the stories you may have heard from

01:46:09.940 your peers who are engaging in this sort of thing.

01:46:12.740 Um,

01:46:13.220 and I don't know what you'll find,

01:46:14.300 but you might find some sort of clarity,

01:46:15.580 but,

01:46:16.420 uh,

01:46:16.760 unfortunately we have to bring it in for a,

01:46:18.300 and it's a fascinating conversation,

01:46:19.720 D and I just want to thank you for,

01:46:21.920 um,

01:46:22.680 number one,

01:46:23.380 you know,

01:46:23.720 bringing the time out.

01:46:25.160 I know we had all those technical difficulties when we started.

01:46:27.080 That was weird.

01:46:27.820 It was very weird.

01:46:28.740 And I'm very happy that,

01:46:29.940 uh,

01:46:30.560 we managed to get back in here and get this done.

01:46:32.940 And,

01:46:33.380 uh,

01:46:33.500 I know that this is not something that even the,

01:46:36.780 the UFO community,

01:46:37.960 which you would imagine would welcome you with open arms.

01:46:40.600 They're not too pumped about this narrative.

01:46:42.040 So,

01:46:42.800 uh,

01:46:43.080 not an easy thing to share.

01:46:44.260 And I want to thank you for,

01:46:45.800 for doing that at all.

01:46:46.600 So one more time,

01:46:47.340 D where can people find your work?

01:46:48.960 Uh,

01:46:49.200 so they can go and check this out.

01:46:50.820 Yeah.

01:46:51.200 Just go into the substand,

01:46:52.820 which is,

01:46:53.140 it can't be people.

01:46:54.260 And you'll find me there.

01:46:56.300 All right.

01:46:56.860 Awesome,

01:46:57.280 man.

01:46:57.420 I have,

01:46:57.820 I have all of your,

01:46:58.720 uh,

01:46:59.060 well,

01:46:59.200 I have your link here in the description.

01:47:01.360 And when this episode comes out in full,

01:47:02.920 it will be in the description as well on the Patreon.

01:47:05.640 It'll be there.

01:47:06.260 So guys go click on that.

01:47:07.920 I'm going to put my email in here after and,

01:47:09.740 uh,

01:47:10.200 become a subscriber.

01:47:12.200 Follow these work.

01:47:13.140 This is a,

01:47:13.640 this is strange stuff,

01:47:14.860 man.

01:47:15.960 I think it's important though,

01:47:17.300 man.

01:47:17.580 I think it's really important.

01:47:19.200 We speak,

01:47:19.660 we speak to like people that who do really strange things.

01:47:22.180 And this is like,

01:47:23.060 it's,

01:47:23.300 it's obscure.

01:47:24.080 Cause it's not that strange,

01:47:25.240 but it's like,

01:47:25.900 for me,

01:47:26.260 this episode was really,

01:47:28.540 I don't know.

01:47:29.480 It's a fascinating piece of this puzzle that,

01:47:32.140 that I do admit fits really well.

01:47:34.660 And,

01:47:35.120 um,

01:47:35.420 and,

01:47:35.780 and so,

01:47:36.880 yeah,

01:47:37.040 I mean,

01:47:37.240 if the UAP,

01:47:37.780 uh,

01:47:38.560 community doesn't necessarily want to go there,

01:47:40.460 we're,

01:47:40.820 we're happy to.

01:47:41.620 So you're definitely welcome back D.

01:47:43.800 Um,

01:47:44.000 thanks guys.

01:47:44.680 Do it again.

01:47:45.560 Okay.

01:47:45.920 Good luck.

01:47:46.640 Thanks very much guys.

01:47:48.000 Bye.

01:47:48.180 Thanks for your time.

01:47:48.860 And,

01:47:49.200 uh,

01:47:49.560 uh,

01:47:50.000 guys,

01:47:50.260 we'll be back in 10 minutes with Ed Mabry.

01:47:51.840 Don't forget to obey,

01:47:52.860 submit and comply.

01:47:54.560 See you in 10 minutes.

01:47:59.480 What they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:48:11.320 You know,

01:48:12.080 because they'll think face on an expedition.

01:48:16.940 And they have.

01:48:20.660 You know,

01:48:21.540 what they see with their eyes is what they see with us.

01:48:34.640 You know,

01:48:35.560 you know,

01:48:35.900 in anaze

01:48:37.940 and see you in 10 minutes with a time.

01:48:39.360 Get in 10 minutes.

01:48:39.920 I want to.

01:48:40.600 In 10 minutes.

01:48:42.860 My fantasy.

01:48:44.060 There's a bit of a time.

01:48:45.660 I want to.

01:48:48.060 We can.

01:48:48.260 I want to.

01:48:48.700 carta,

01:48:49.060 I want to.

Nephilim Death Squad - April 05, 2025

148： It Can't be People w⧸ Citizen D

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