In this episode of the Nedealim Death Squad, David Lee Corbo and Top Lobster are joined by a very special guest to discuss crop circles, UFO s, and the mysterious UAP UFO Disclosure.
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00:03:16.140Joining us today is Dee for the second attempt, actually.
00:03:20.740For the second time today, we are joined by Dee, and this is going to be a really fascinating conversation.
00:03:24.800We're going to get into the UAP UFO disclosure, I'm sure.
00:03:28.100We're going to talk a lot about crop circles, which is something that we haven't really delved into at any meaningful length here on the show.
00:11:49.440But when, and my background was in ufology.
00:11:52.780When I first saw Close Encounters as a young child, it absolutely blew me away.
00:11:56.600It looked like, it looked like I was remembering something rather than seeing something for the first time.
00:12:03.160But yeah, that's, yeah, it is, that is, that is interesting.
00:12:07.040And I started, well, what I decided to do, because I was a ufologist, I thought, okay, what I'm going to do, I'm going to go to Wiltshire, which is where the hub of the crop circles are.
00:12:15.740I'm going to just see if I can get to the bottom of this mystery, you know.
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00:13:01.960Which is quite an ego-driven thing to do, because, you know, why should you get it and no one else has got it?
00:13:05.960But in my first couple of weeks, I started to hear stories from the community to say that odd things were happening around the creation of crop circles.
00:13:18.760And they weren't saying they were made by people.
00:13:20.720They said around the creation of the crop circle, we've seen that there were orbs seen.
00:13:25.160There's UAPs seen, there's pink lights, there's, like, circular orbs, you know, like, scoping the circles and sweeping over them.
00:13:35.600But at no point were humans brought into the mix.
00:13:38.420And then when I started to get into these people's trust, they then said, look, this is happening with human-made circles that are made with the right intent.
00:13:45.820And there's something bigger going on here.
00:13:50.260So to get back to your original point, sometimes we'll go to make a particular crop circle and we'll go to the field to make it.
00:14:01.060And then we'll see that somebody else has already got there and made that actual same motif that we were going to put into the crop.
00:14:08.260And that's when you think, is there something else at play here?
00:14:12.040So even if that is man-made, the bigger question there is, was there something else at play?
00:15:35.160Now, I'm reluctant to call it channeling in that it just hints that the cell can make us are in some way anointed and better than you.
00:15:44.900And we're chosen and we're the chosen ones to do it.
00:15:47.500Okay, what my opinion is, is this, as I just said to you before, I've got a deep interest in ufology, a deep interest in the paranormal since I've had when I was a child.
00:15:58.460I think that if you align yourself to the phenomenon, you then attract the phenomenon.
00:16:05.820Okay, so I don't think we're channeled.
00:16:09.320I mean, a circle maker said to me once, this is a game of chess, but we're not playing it with the pieces.
00:16:16.960So we do think that there is something else going on.
00:16:21.560But what we can't work out, guys, is whether we are actually communicating with each other through the collective consciousness, through the species field, or whether there's something else at play, which is triangulating between us and it, if you see what I mean.
00:16:39.620Because if you go to a circle and you find out somebody's already done it, you know, then you think, is that us talking to each other or is there something else above, you know?
00:16:54.160We're having a very similar experience, I would file away under that category, where we seem to continually step into ideas that I wouldn't say we came up with on our own, we kind of stumbled upon.
00:17:10.780And then you'll watch that idea immediately spread like wildfire on social media and among other conspiracy podcasters.
00:17:18.560And, you know, you're left to go like, are somehow people stealing our information?
00:17:24.060Or is it more likely that there's something about the nature of an idea?
00:17:27.820And when it comes to you, it also comes to other people, which then gives ideas some form of independent thing.
00:17:34.220So I think that's exactly what's happening.
00:17:37.840Yeah, it's so the collective consciousness idea or I'm going to get into it.
00:17:42.340But I see you started your your sub stack five months ago.
00:20:16.300And I vet who I communicate with before I make the approach.
00:20:21.480And I looked at your stuff and I thought, well, I think you're like-minded people.
00:20:27.140But obviously, we are dealing with a subject where people don't want to know that it's humans involved in making a proportion of these crop circles.
00:20:38.280And what's also interesting in connecting to what you're saying is, when I've gone to interview crop circle makers for their accounts, and all of our accounts are the same thing, a few of them have said, I was going to do that.
00:20:52.820I was going to do that book, you know?
00:20:55.020And then I looked back to my situation five months ago, and I go, why the fuck am I doing this?
00:21:07.500Because it brings a lot of heat, okay?
00:21:11.880But I thought, why did I get the idea to do that?
00:21:16.720And why are there five other circle makers that are going, oh, my God, I was going to do that?
00:21:23.280So it's exactly what you're talking about.
00:21:26.020You know, to your point, too, about how human beings, we don't want to think that people are involved with the crop circles.
00:21:33.180And, you know, I imagine it's because, for a moment, it kind of dilutes what you think is, like, really a spiritual phenomenon or an extraterrestrial phenomenon.
00:21:44.380And then somehow it waters that down to have human beings.
00:21:47.040But then, as you said, when you take a closer look, it actually becomes much more compelling and dynamic.
00:21:52.020But I have gotten to this place where I look at this UAP, UFO phenomenon, the abduction phenomenon, and I recognize that there is a huge human element to it.
00:22:02.000Not just the humans that are being taken, but there seems to be a mutually beneficial, like, working in tandem sort of a thing that is taking place.
00:22:11.360So, yeah, I don't think you can separate the human element at all from whatever's happening with crop circles, with UFOs, and all of this stuff.
00:22:20.320Well, certainly, the area that we're making in, which is like the hub of Wiltshire, we're making around these ancient Neolithic sites like Stonehenge and Avery and the Long Barrows.
00:22:32.000And, again, without being egotistical, I don't want to be, we think that we are basically reinvigorating the work of our forebears that built those stone circles that were, that, let's face it, they were far more attuned than we are, okay?
00:22:50.240And when I used to go to, I've just written this, actually, the first time I went to Wiltshire, the first thing I thought was not I'm here, I thought I'm back home.
00:23:00.720And I wasn't sure if that connected to the collective consciousness, but what I think it means now is that I was connecting to a resonance in this area, which reminds me and reminds us collectively how clever we used to be in the old days, you know, and how more attuned our chakras were opened.
00:23:21.200And, you know, we didn't, we weren't as we are now in this sterile world.
00:23:27.260But we think that our ancestors that built these stone circles were right in it, okay?
00:23:34.020So their chakras, their third eyes, their pineal glands were open and, you know, it's like a back to nature thing, you know, because the strangeness that I'm going to talk to you about dissipates the further away you get from these sites.
00:23:50.420Because I've spoken to crop circle makers that have made in Italy and abroad and further up north in England, and nobody experiences the stuff that we're going to talk about today.
00:24:01.000It just seems to be central to this ancient, ancient area.
00:24:05.460Well, what was happening at Stonehenge back in the day, if you will?
00:24:18.040I mean, it's, well, sorry, it's also, much of it isn't there now, guys, because the stones have gone, but the ones that are left, we know that there's certainly an element of it being a calendar, because on the summer solstice, the sun hits this particular stone, and then it just lights up the rest of it like an illumination.
00:24:42.340And it's just at that particular point of the summer solstice.
00:24:46.400And there's other windows, and this is in the pyramids as well.
00:24:50.000The sun hits a certain point, and then you've got this completely lit amphitheater.
00:24:54.880So we think that it was a calendar, but we think that it was a place of, not just a place of worship, but a place of recognition where our forebears are just celebrating something within that area, because we've got the ley lines here as well.
00:25:53.020It's like how and who, but the why is an afterthought in very many instances.
00:25:58.280Yeah, what's also interesting is that when you hear reports of UAPs and orbs being seen over crop circles, guys, this stuff has been here for thousands of years and it was here before the crop circles.
00:26:12.540So people say sometimes, well, I saw orbs formed a crop circle.
00:26:51.820Yeah, well, I'm afraid I've got to go back to the magician to the magicians in the cups analogy again, you know, and it's that they say that the technology wasn't around at that time to make that through ZG through CGI.
00:27:07.560But I just say two words, Jurassic Park.
00:27:12.180It's the identity of the person that did it.
00:27:16.960His name wavers between John Waby and John Mabey, which is a play on words.
00:27:22.200But even if you look at his IMDb, it says crop circle hoaxer.
00:27:26.260And there are a lot, there are a lot of unanswered questions about that video.
00:27:32.300And we've got to bear in mind also, that is the one singular example we've got of crop circles being made by orbs.
00:27:39.860As far as I've seen, yeah, I would agree with you.
00:27:43.780But all I've got to say is go and do your own research and you'll find that that is a little bit of a wormhole, okay?
00:27:53.940I do know some, but again, this is apocryphal.
00:27:57.100It might not be true, but I heard a story that this CGI director went to somebody within the crop circle community, quite a prominent name, and said, listen, I'm going to make this video.
00:28:12.960And this particular person said, well, are you doing it as a demonstration?
00:28:18.740And he said, no, I'm doing it for a laugh, just to poke fun.
00:28:23.400And this person said, I want no part of it.
00:28:36.500What do you think is, because the nature of these things and the way that they pop up, and I'm sure it's not that you have answers, but maybe some information that would allow you to speculate as to how these things develop.
00:28:48.460They seem to develop very rapidly over the course of just one night.
00:28:51.560And it leaves people totally confused about it when it comes to the sheer scale.
00:28:58.160Okay, we've got to go back to the birth of the phenomenon, okay?
00:29:03.880And that was when the single circles were being made.
00:29:06.780You had these two guys called Doug and Dave.
00:29:09.400And they were a couple of old guys that used to make pretty basic crop circles, you know, on the way home from the pub, okay?
00:29:18.080But they go now, I mean, they're both dead now, but even they question their own motivations as to why they did it.
00:29:26.900But unfortunately, what happened was that we then had that whole two pissed guys home from the pub trope, which has now plagued us for the past 40 years, when in actual fact, human-made crop circles that are made by people with intent and focus, and they've got spirituality, and they're doing it for the right reasons, which then attracts, you know, this other phenomenon, perhaps.
00:29:55.440And they're very focused, they're not drunkards, guys.
00:29:59.440You've got to remember that the crop circle season is only between like April and September at the very most.
00:30:06.000They've got the rest of the year to actually plot out what they're going to do or receive their ideas, if that's your mindset.
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00:31:08.060If they all know what they're doing and there's no weak links in the chain, as long as it's plotted out properly, there's no reason why what you would consider to be definitely impossible to be made by a man to be made by people.
00:31:22.860Because you're looking at the two drunk guys in the pub, you know?
00:31:30.860Yeah, after COVID-19, I think the idea of a conspiracy being like, well, there's just too many people involved and you would never be able to pull it off.
00:31:41.800I watched them do this to the entire world.
00:31:43.940You know, the sickness, the disease was real, but like the ramifications and the propaganda were certainly pushed in a certain way where it was the largest campaign you've ever seen.
00:31:55.020So I don't think that this is beyond the pale of people getting together and doing this.
00:32:10.640And that's a question I think you're asking still, right, D?
00:32:15.540It goes a little bit deeper in that this phenomena attracts accidents and little mistakes.
00:32:25.980And we think there's, with certainly the ones that were done with the right intent, there seems to be engineering going on or some description where we'll go and make a design.
00:32:36.740Now, the beauty of this is you're the audience.
00:32:39.700You never know what it's going to look like until it's done.
00:32:54.780We'll have to, you know, gnar the formation up and change it.
00:32:57.840And we've got to actually come out with a different formation than what we're willing to make.
00:33:02.140Now, and then we'll find out afterwards that that revision or that mistake is actually the most important part of that circle because it's relevant to that particular town that we made it in.
00:33:14.500Sometimes we'll go to make a formation in a certain place.
00:33:18.920There'll be the car will break down or the road will be blocked or something else.
00:33:24.140And then the team leader will say, oh, let's just do it here instead.
00:33:29.360And then that random place that we've picked is of colossal significance for some reason or another that was oblivious to us at the time.
00:33:39.380And then we think, well, hold on a minute.
00:33:41.440How much of this is a mistake or the wrong turn?
00:33:46.120And, you know, I know people that have made wrong turns and then something fantastic has happened.
00:33:51.440And to give you just one more example, what happened to me once that was absolutely crazy was that I had just started making them with my own teams.
00:34:04.140For the first few, I was just a foot stomper.
00:35:02.680And then I saw that the name of the road that I'd turned down by a mistake was the name of the road that this kid had lived in when I used to go around his house at school.
00:36:10.840And what had happened was between the two fields, there was this big slope.
00:36:14.760There was this big hill where we couldn't see the other field and they couldn't see us.
00:36:19.840But if you looked on Google Earth from above, it looked like the two fields were next to each other.
00:36:24.760And both of my designs were down in adjacent fields.
00:36:28.740And the other team didn't know about us and we didn't know about the other team.
00:36:32.380And that's when I started to think really seriously, what's going on and why?
00:36:39.140There's something, there's some manipulation or there's something going on where we think it's our decision and there's something else going on.
00:36:47.360You mentioned that this came to you in a dream.
00:36:50.780And when we say channeling, you know, when you think of channeling, sometimes you think of like a deliberate channeling, like an oracle, somebody who's been selected by like a priest cast.
00:37:00.760A guy like Shimon, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:03.600Yeah, we use that that term a little bit loosely here because I don't think that channeling happens in a way where there is intent all of the time or at least not not fully informed intent.
00:37:17.840Well, I mean, not only Marzinski, but I'm thinking about all the different artists and whatnot who have attributed their great works to the muses in one way, shape or form, right?
00:37:28.940You have like a Stephen King who is in a state of inebriation and most of his ideas for his books are coming to him in dreams.
00:37:36.320And then all of a sudden you see that there is some real consistency when it comes to the way he tells stories and how those stories overlap with occult esoteric ideologies to the point where they're accurate.
00:37:49.320If you believe in that sort of thing, in which case this is much more than just a random dream, you're getting some sort of information.
00:37:56.780But before we even go on to the Marzinski thing, I would be really interested, Dee, in knowing what do these designs, do they ever have like something that you had hoped to impart on somebody who would see them?
00:38:14.420Is there information embedded into the designs or do you just see them or your team or anybody who sets out to do these things?
00:38:22.340Are they just designs that they feel inspired to create, but don't necessarily have, let's say, like an embedded message?
00:38:32.060Well, you've got obviously the ones that celebrate the land directly, which we've got.
00:38:48.980But we're using sacred, sacred geometry, okay?
00:38:54.140And the fact that we are implanting it in sacred sites makes the experience all the more important for the people that are coming afterwards.
00:39:03.080So that's another reason why there's no authorship.
00:39:06.620That's why people say to us, well, if I was that great at doing this, I'll be shouting it from the rooftops and like making films of it.
00:39:14.420The second that ego becomes part of the equation, all of the potency of that circle disappears.
00:39:21.040The second that you say, I did that, and you give it all for shit, it becomes like deactivated.
00:39:27.960So to answer your question, yes, of course, we're aware of the potency of the images that we're putting down, where we're putting them down.
00:39:39.880And then we find out from a visitor to the crop circle is much more advanced in these areas of history than we are, that we've actually done something which is potent to that area.
00:39:50.220Now, that becomes strange because the people then say, well, this one can't be man-made because it's special for this reason.
00:39:59.020And our argument is, well, it can if you just implant people into a bigger mystery.
00:40:05.660What the researchers say is, well, the significance of that circle and what it did and how it's done means it must be a special one.
00:40:23.720I used to detest people like me because I was a true believer.
00:40:28.380But once I realized that there are crop circle makers that are going out there with the correct spiritual intent, not all of them, then I thought, well, if you give us an even break, there's still a mystery there.
00:40:44.480And if we can overcome this stigma we've got at the moment, there's a big mystery that could be investigated here.
00:40:52.800That element that you described before, Dee, of having these recurring dreams where you're flying over the very field that you end up putting this design in.
00:41:02.560And then, of course, even seeing an individual who later on comes into play in reality, in waking life, in relation to this very same thing, that sort of thing.
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00:41:43.600Rhymes with a very similar phenomenon that takes place amongst abductee victims.
00:41:49.060So certainly the sensation of flying, right?
00:41:51.420And with a top-down view, people will describe that.
00:41:54.220I don't know where to necessarily place it, but it's like what starts off as a dream and you remember looking down over a field might, through regressive hypnosis, let's say, which is a lofty and I would say unreliable field of study but still a curious one, will expand on that dream.
00:42:13.700And then realize that they were actually at a craft and that they were looking down also, that there are people in these experiences, whether it's, you know, abduction or something like that, that will come into play later on.
00:42:24.900And one of the things that always comes to my mind is children in particular, who experience the abduction phenomenon, will sometimes talk about seeing people there, friends from school, let's say, or maybe even kids they don't know.
00:42:36.940But then later on in real life, in waking life, will be introduced to these people and will know them, you know, have a relationship with them in the future.
00:42:48.520Yeah, I think the important thing to tell you about that particular example with a school friend was that I had no reason to think of that school friend at all.
00:42:56.620I had no connection with them for 30 years.
00:42:59.300But it's just the fact that the house that they lived in, the name of the road, was the same road that I went down by mistake.
00:43:07.420And that was my signal to actually take it further.
00:43:10.280But certainly, I totally agree with what you're saying.
00:43:36.240No, I'm interested in knowing what that is.
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00:44:59.040You'd see the stories of people that have been taken by the fairy people and the leprechauns, and they'd gone for days, and they'd come back, and they're a different age.
00:45:20.960Now, my contention is that where we are now seeing UAPs and UFOs in Wiltshire, they've always been there, but we called them Widow the Whisper.
00:45:31.860We called them the fairy lights back in, back 500 years ago.
00:45:36.660So we are looking at the same phenomenon here, which has probably existed with us since the dawn of our own inception, and it tracks where we are and very cleverly puts itself in an immediate future that we will understand.
00:46:03.180Yeah, so I would agree with that, and I'm actually looking for it right now.
00:46:08.340I can't find it, but we did an interview with someone in the past, and I wanted to be able to say his name here.
00:46:14.760I don't know if Top remembers it, but it was a gentleman.
00:46:16.480We just talked about him recently, had the same issue where I couldn't remember his name, and he was talking about this abduction phenomenon and how he believes that it is not a physical phenomenon, that it's actually a spiritual one that's masquerading as a physical one.
00:46:33.280Now, you can do with that information what you will, but what I do recognize is this growing body of information that suggests that at least the physical aspect of this, meaning a craft and, let's say, alien greys, that they may actually be themselves a form of technology that is deployed on some level by human beings.
00:46:55.880Now, that's not to say that there's no spiritual influence, and this goes back to that sort of inspiration that seems to come from elsewhere, you know, not in our own minds.
00:47:17.400So, I do suspect that there's an element that is, you know, and if you feel more comfortable exchanging spiritual, well, let's just say like ethereal or something that is energetic, that isn't, you know, physical in the way that we're familiar with, could be inspiring people.
00:47:37.000And that these greys in this craft may actually be, and I do think there's room for some of these craft actually being not technology, not created by human beings, maybe some sort of living plasma or something like that, not too sure.
00:47:51.080But it does seem that a bulk of the phenomenon may actually be human beings creating these things at the behest of some sort of inspiration that is spiritual or ethereal.
00:48:06.400Because I know you're talking quite a bit about the human element, but what you're interacting with that is nudging you and inspiring you to do these things, have you got a framework for that in your mind as to how to define that thing?
00:48:26.420But then you've got to question, this is the original point, which I don't understand.
00:48:33.320I don't understand whether we are communicating with each other, where, you know, where we can make a crop circle in one field and the other team don't know about us and they're doing the other one we wanted, or whether there is a triangulation.
00:48:46.300Or whether, as John Keel says, there is like this frequency that can be used by a lot of different things.
00:48:55.760And those things could include our collective unconsciousness and something else external.
00:49:00.460He talks about the fact that, the example he uses is one of those old radio dials where, you know, you've got that needle on the station, you're in that station, you think that that is the other station that exists because you're in it.
00:49:15.660Okay, but were you to just, were that needle to be a little bit wider, you don't turn it, if it was a little bit wider, you'd start to get little messages from other stations as well, which we would then interpret as being spirits or whatever.
00:49:27.460So, it does also, I think, depend on how open you are to receiving it.
00:49:37.740When I speak to crop circle makers that have had mind-blowing experiences, almost all of them have had latent psychic abilities or they've had a history of, you know, missing time or something that attunes them to the phenomenon and makes them want to go and create these things.
00:49:58.580Have you found a correlation at all, because you seem to have found a correlation between people who are engaging with this phenomenon and people who have latent psychic abilities, have you noticed a correlation between those people and childhood trauma?
00:50:16.500But the thing is, you've got to realize, guys, is that sometimes when you're out in the field, you could have worked with this guy for 10 times in different circles, but you don't know enough about them to delve that personally.
00:50:28.580Right, right, right, right, of course.
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00:51:05.980This lady, Kai Dickens, is doing experiments on nonverbal autistic children, but not experiments in like the MK Ultrasensor, at least we would think at first.
00:51:17.440She's just going and she's trying to dispute their claims of having telepathy with their parents.
00:51:23.660And she's failing because she's having a rough go of it.
00:51:28.540They seem to, they can't really communicate and they're kind of trapped in their own bodies and they can't really, some of them aren't, you know, there's a lot of shaking of arms and there's not much like cohesion, physical cohesion with the severely autistic kids.
00:51:44.180But they're guessing numbers like four digit numbers that their mother is seeing in a different room and they're guessing it within a second of her seeing it.
00:51:53.320And there's also, uh, the story goes on to talk about this place called the hill, which is kind of interesting where these nonverbal autistic children go and they congregate and they learn and they, they speak to each other.
00:52:07.220So like there's been a cases of, I forget one of the guy's names, he's like, has like a French name, but he's communicating with somebody across the world.
00:52:14.800And it was confirmed by the parents that they meet up later on.
00:52:17.960Like they know everything about each other.
00:52:20.580And, uh, so, so there's a level of telepathy.
00:52:23.000There's a level of this, uh, the idea of the collective consciousness that you're talking about.
00:52:26.860They mentioned that in the show as well, but there's a lot of, uh, other nefarious activities going on.
00:52:33.300You mentioned a radio wave, which is also brought up in this podcast, but our research brings us to more man-made ideas of how this radio wave signal can be manipulated and can be used to transmit messages into people's heads.
00:52:50.840And, uh, the guy, Andreeja Puharis, he was developing something like this with a dental tooth implant where they were actually using that to do kind of voice to skull technology.
00:53:00.560So this stuff does track, it tracks directly in line with not only this, uh, the idea of the alien phenomenon or this, uh, the extra, extra dimensional, extraterrestrial beings communicating, but also the human interference in what we're seeing here.
00:53:20.880Are, are we being pushed in a certain way?
00:53:23.320Is there a certain genotype that is susceptible to this kind of stuff?
00:53:27.560Like we're looking at it now, trying to uncover that because it's, it's, it's, uh, it's seeming that way.
00:53:33.760Dee, do you have, um, are they departing any messages back?
00:53:44.780What, to the makers or to the, or to the, or to the visitors?
00:53:47.920Let's, let's, let's say the visitors, right?
00:53:50.180You guys are going out, you're inspired to do these things.
00:53:52.980And some of the things that you do in hindsight, end up having really huge significance in, in the information that ends up, you know, being, uh, imparted by these designs that you guys are making.
00:54:27.800They've got egos that then you sit down and I've got a really crazy story about, um, a journalist that I used to know.
00:54:34.580And he, um, come over to do a piece on, on, on, on, on wonderful, on wonderful wheelchair, not connected to crop, crop circles specifically, but included in there.
00:54:44.860And, um, he, um, was, was about to depart the next day.
00:54:50.300And his wife said to him, what, what, what, what, what's the, what's the best present that you could get before we go home?
00:54:55.640And he said, let's have a crop circle in the back garden.
00:55:00.660And of course there was one the next day for them.
00:55:05.780But then I found out that that team had intended to make that crop circle in that space three weeks before that couple that even might had even arrived in the UK.
00:55:17.760And then your, your, your mind starts to scramble because you think, well, there's some sort of time discrepancy there as well.
00:55:25.400But there was also a situation where I knew a crop circle maker who was in bed and at 12 o'clock dead.
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00:57:16.240And he basically fell asleep on the spot.
00:57:19.060He was knackered because obviously if you're having a crop circle, that's a four man job for two hours.
00:57:24.400If you scale it down to one bloke, it's going to be three, you know?
00:59:08.720But he said that the incantation started in his head at midnight and wouldn't go.
00:59:13.400And when he tried to deceive this thing and go into the wrong field, he then felt really sick until he actually got to the right field and got it done.
00:59:22.600And he did say this was beyond his capabilities, but he still managed to get it done.
00:59:27.280You and the people who are doing this, you must spend some amount of time speculating as to the why.
00:59:48.620And then someone else has already done it.
00:59:50.160So you've got to cross this bridge in your mind where you're being, and this is probably an uncomfortable one, dependent upon how you're looking at this, but you're being nudged one way or another.
01:00:27.060And that should tell you that my intent's pure.
01:00:29.360Because otherwise I'd be coming in here with a load of bullshit and saying this is what it means.
01:00:33.920This is the bit we sit down with each other 10 years on, because I'm still in touch with these guys, even though I've been retired for years.
01:00:39.960And we go, did you ever have something like that?
01:04:00.800It's just the little sister of science, you know, and it's all connected.
01:04:04.640And we are either attuned to it or we act on it or we don't, you know.
01:04:12.240But there are certainly parallels in ufology with coincidences and synchronicities and dreams that are in cross circles.
01:04:18.680This is why I think it's all the same thing.
01:04:20.600And I think that it masquerades as ET, but it's actually much closer to our own consciousness, whether it be interdimensional and external or something which is within us all, which we're externalizing, if that makes sense.
01:04:35.980The reason that I'm asking these questions about, you know, what do you suppose the point is or what's the motivation or is there a message that is seemingly being imparted on, you know, anybody that's experiencing this call to go and do this is because we repeatedly come across this phenomenon,
01:04:55.180whether it's with ETs or perceived ETs, whatever they actually are, or just, you know, spiritual downloads, the Telepathy Tapes kids will say something to this effect.
01:05:07.200Puharaj, who we brought up earlier, he's communicating with nine particular entities called the Enead, the Egyptian Enead.
01:05:14.340They even identify themselves individually by each name that syncs up with the Egyptian Enead, which is just to say, you know, the Egyptian pantheon.
01:05:22.380But there was nine particular ones that were very important.
01:05:25.980And also, it's the same message that people will get in abduction experiences.
01:05:31.160And that message is something about not only humanity's ascension, but also a warning about a climate-related disaster that's coming.
01:05:40.940And so, you know, I lay that out just to ask you flat out.
01:05:43.900In your experiences and your communications with people who are also executing these things, maybe not you, because, you know, you seem to be somebody who, I don't want to say is playing it conservative, right?
01:05:54.500We're dealing in a realm that many people would call pseudoscience, so far from conservatism.
01:05:59.060But you're tempering what you're saying with logic and you're being careful.
01:06:06.060I can't imagine that everybody that runs in your circles is that way.
01:06:09.040Have you ever heard that message of ascension and climate-related disaster espoused by any of your peers?
01:07:19.020But I'm a bit wary because going back to my ufology studies, what I'm very concerned about is when we – you know we had the contactee phenomenon around the 50s where we had the – we had the Nordic – the Nordic-looking gods with the long hair.
01:07:34.320And those messages were being imparted then, you know?
01:07:38.900And that was like 80 years ago, wasn't it?
01:07:43.980And it just – nothing seems to have happened.
01:07:47.300Well, so I'll cue you in a little bit more of our work.
01:07:52.180I'm just – the reason that I'm disseminating it the way that I am is because I don't want to make another episode that's enamored entirely by our narrative.
01:07:58.800But you have this Elon Musk, for example.
01:08:03.800He is worried about a coming polar shift.
01:08:10.380And this is something that seems to exist.
01:08:12.980And I'm not saying that I buy into this.
01:08:15.180And in fact, just the fact that Elon Musk is espousing it makes me highly skeptical.
01:08:19.880But still, the narrative exists that something will happen.
01:09:31.840And don't forget what's really important to bolt onto that is that the importance is often something that we've made as a mistake or it's not something that's intentional.
01:09:47.340And the crop circle has ended up different to what it should have been.
01:09:51.120And yet, if we'd have done the first design, it would have meant nothing.
01:09:54.380How does that make you feel, Dee, about your own autonomy in this situation?
01:09:57.620I've got mixed feelings about it because I'm very conscious of what our pop star, Robert Williams, said when he went to the Skinwalker.
01:10:09.680He says, I'm really interested in it, but I don't want to take it home with me.
01:10:24.820What about the other instances of paranormal activity in your life?
01:10:28.480Is this happening in a vacuum where otherwise it's just a bright, sunny day and you're just going about your life except for this by nightfall?
01:10:35.160You're inundated by the paranormal and you're out in your house, anything dropping off counters that shouldn't happen, anything like that?
01:11:33.740Solomon, obviously, from the Bible, King Solomon, and it's like some of the Kabbalistic teachings will, and other like mystical teachings show that he summoned 72 entities or demons to erect a temple for him.
01:11:48.940And the way he summoned some of them was by creating their sigil and then encircling it.
01:11:54.780Because if you know these entities' names, you can then entrap them and make them do your will.
01:11:59.740That's at least the, that's the mythology behind, or the idea behind these sort of things.
01:12:05.940But this plays in very well, right, D?
01:12:08.160It's like you, it's like, yeah, it's like you guys are making these symbols on the ground.
01:12:14.200You don't know why you're making these symbols, and they have to be precise.
01:12:41.660Yeah, I'm going to go back to what I just said just now about being scared of it.
01:12:45.200What I meant was I try and pay reverence and pay deference to the phenomenon and where we're implanting the symbols.
01:12:55.920Because if it is magic, as you know, it can go either way, okay?
01:13:02.160And I know people that have made the wrong symbols, and they have had that stuff at home that you're talking about.
01:13:07.860You know, it's like it's saying to us, it's normally if a crop circle is made to show off to somebody or his ego, that's when they get the shit at home.
01:13:22.200You know, it's like they're being reminded that it's not about you.
01:13:26.780You're just like the work man, you know, and don't think that you're any bigger than you are, you know.
01:13:34.340But I'm very conscious about making the – people have said to me in the past, make this circle.
01:13:40.340I'm going to say no, because it's wrong.
01:13:41.900It looks wrong, and I don't want that in my life afterwards, you know.
01:13:46.220I really try and make something which is positive for the people that come in afterwards, you know.
01:13:53.200I think that in these situations, we don't have a lot of tangible, physical things to grab onto, right?
01:14:02.100I mean, this is all happening in a – you wouldn't even call it a telepathic way because you think that it's your own idea to an extent, right?
01:14:09.780And only experience would show you over time that maybe that's not the case.
01:14:14.560But I think when you're dealing with the intangible and you're dealing with a psychic or a spiritual or an ethereal phenomenon, your impression counts for a lot more than maybe you think.
01:14:28.100Like, so what I want to ask you, Dee, is I want to ask you about your feelings on particularly whatever seems to be imparting this information.
01:14:40.500And I don't want to jump to any conclusions.
01:14:42.460I know you said that you're – you know, you get a little fearful when those things start happening around your house.
01:14:47.220So I don't want to just jump to the conclusion of you are fearful of these entities.
01:14:51.180That's not what I'm saying here, but is there a consistent impression or a feeling that you get associated with the thought of, you know, what the nature of these things are, why they're imparting?
01:15:03.920Just any – when you try to look at that –
01:15:06.960Well, the first thing I'd say is – and I was asked this question in an interview last week.
01:15:11.900I don't – when I sort of open my mind to it, I don't see entities.
01:15:16.480I just see – I'm just aware of a physical – sorry, I'm just aware of a metaphysical higher power, and it's something which is ancient, and it's something which is all-knowing, and it's something which is to be respected, and it's not going to get in your way if you don't mess about with it, if you understand what I mean.
01:15:41.000And – but I also think, why did I make that – what made me go and do that?
01:15:48.180Because when I made my first one – this is interesting – I said to my partner, I'm hearing all these stories about supernatural activity.
01:15:56.800It could be a load of bullshit, so the only way that I'm going to know is if I go out and watch it being done.
01:16:02.720And I got invited to make a crop circle with my first one.
01:16:09.300And I said to my partner, I said, I'm going out tonight.
01:16:14.100I've been invited because they said they'd overheard me saying that I'm interested in what happens afterwards, and I'm going to tell you this.
01:16:21.120If I don't have anything supernatural happen to me, I will never do this again.
01:16:25.420And we went out, and it was a two-stage formation.
01:16:27.940It had been started the previous night, but they couldn't finish it because they just ran out of nightlight, because you need the night as your cloak.
01:17:08.240Anyway, your eyes become very used to it very quickly, and as soon as the line is made, that bit is darker than the rest of the crop, okay?
01:18:19.580I thought, oh, shit, we've been watched.
01:18:21.280And then I saw another flash go off, and then another flash go off, and then it was like 12 flashes, and then 30 flashes.
01:18:32.580And what these flashes did, they went from a central point, and they proliferated around the edge of the circle until they were surrounding us.
01:21:27.100And people say, oh, they just use them as GPS markers because it's quite boring doing exercises, flying over the fields and seeing nothing.