Nephilim Death Squad - 153： The Higher Side of Conspiracy w⧸ Greg Carlwood

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00:03:10.700 Joining us today is Greg Carlwood of the Higher Side Chats.

00:03:14.780 Greg, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, where can they find your work and

00:03:18.580 what is it that you focus on?

00:03:20.320 Hey, fellas. 0.59

00:03:21.220 Thanks for having me.

00:03:22.640 I do a podcast like everybody else, and I've been doing mine since 2013.

00:03:28.680 Sorry.

00:03:29.160 This game creates quite a big archive, and I started calling it a conspiracy show, sure,

00:03:37.140 but that term, I use it pretty broadly.

00:03:39.640 We get into occult stuff, paranormal stuff, all the crossover, consciousness, what even

00:03:46.280 is life?

00:03:47.000 What even is this place we live?

00:03:49.680 All the fun stuff, all the ways we're being screwed, and this and that.

00:03:54.840 Greg, what did you start off wanting to talk about?

00:03:58.460 Because I know the conspiracy community, our talking points have really been pulled out

00:04:03.720 into the public eye in a big way, right?

00:04:05.940 We used to be internet sleuths looking through these kind of obscure corners, researching

00:04:11.240 this and reading that, and then over time, I think what ends up happening is we set out

00:04:17.660 to ask questions, and we end up creating a puzzle, and we're putting it together in

00:04:21.960 real time.

00:04:22.400 Now that puzzle is pretty consistent across all these different shows, right?

00:04:27.460 All these different conspiracy podcasters, but it doesn't sound like it was...

00:04:31.500 I mean, it certainly wasn't always that way.

00:04:32.860 What did you set out to talk about?

00:04:34.120 Yeah, it's really hard to go back to 2010 and my early 20s and really put yourself in

00:04:42.380 the space of what the internet was like, what conspiracy culture was like at that time.

00:04:47.640 And it's funny because one of the guys I've had on more than anyone else is Gordon White.

00:04:52.120 He runs RuneSoup.com, and he lives in Australia.

00:04:54.940 He came out here, and we did a live event in High Springs at High Springs Brewing Company,

00:04:59.740 and the topic was the conspiracy canon.

00:05:02.760 Like, what are the boxes one must check to call themselves a conspiracy theorist now compared

00:05:09.460 to then?

00:05:10.480 And it's crazy because it used to be, well, I don't trust the CIA, the assassinations,

00:05:16.440 the coups, the John Perkins economic hitman type of stuff.

00:05:21.660 9-11 if you want to bring it up to that point in the timeline, but it was JFK, UFOs, 9-11.

00:05:29.320 And that was it.

00:05:31.740 And now it's like, you don't believe in germs.

00:05:35.040 The earth is flat.

00:05:36.640 Tartaria, Antiquitech, all of history is a lie.

00:05:40.960 Nephilim are all around us. 0.68

00:05:42.560 It has definitely shifted.

00:05:45.240 And it's a little weird because there was a point right around flat earth where I was

00:05:50.380 like, oh my gosh, I'm used to having the most outrageous views of anyone I've ever met.

00:05:55.740 Now people are like, hold my beer.

00:05:58.540 The earth is flat.

00:05:59.960 And, uh, you know, I think as we talked about in that event, the internet is kind of predisposed,

00:06:08.340 like it's set up for an attention economy.

00:06:12.100 So the most outrageous thing gets the attention.

00:06:15.020 So it set up conspiracy podcasters to kind of look for the most outrageous thing for the

00:06:22.400 clicks.

00:06:22.740 You want to be first and you want to be the most over the top.

00:06:25.940 And I kind of resisted that.

00:06:27.380 I'm not often first.

00:06:28.840 I try to, and instead of being first, I try to get a guest who can make the most thorough

00:06:34.280 point about, let's say a current event or something.

00:06:37.900 Because as we know, when something happens, there's an immediate dust up and then more

00:06:43.320 information comes out like, uh, the Luigi story, you know, more information comes out

00:06:47.700 as it goes.

00:06:48.640 People then find like eight days later, Hey, this was a plot line in the X files.

00:06:53.660 You know, a lot of weird stuff happened.

00:06:55.120 So I don't ever want to put out a show about a topic too soon.

00:06:58.960 And then I hear something the next day.

00:07:00.460 I'm like, God damn it.

00:07:01.520 That show's done now.

00:07:02.620 I'm not going to do it again just to add that one little bit, but yeah, it, it really

00:07:08.200 just has changed in the beginning when I started the show, there was really only a couple of

00:07:13.760 places to get conspiracy content.

00:07:16.320 There was obviously Alex Jones, but I didn't like his tone.

00:07:20.400 Uh, I always thought that Alex Jones kind of filled, uh, a role of creating the archetype

00:07:27.960 of the conspiracy person.

00:07:29.380 I mean, you can hear me talking.

00:07:30.640 And I'm not really that of that personality type.

00:07:33.980 And I was like, why can't we talk about these things just calmly without yelling and screaming?

00:07:39.400 That's crazy, Greg.

00:07:40.600 Why would you do that?

00:07:41.700 I know.

00:07:42.480 Uh, but when I saw him on the view, this is obviously a long time ago, but when I saw him

00:07:47.120 on the view, that is where it just kind of clicked for me that the reason he fills that

00:07:52.560 role is so that when the women of the view want to say, Hey, we get all opinions. 0.91

00:07:58.360 He's the go-to token conspiracy guy for mainstream media.

00:08:03.020 And then he comes on yelling, screaming, vein popping out of his neck.

00:08:06.980 And they're like, Whoa.

00:08:08.380 And it kind of subliminally says to people, don't go down this road because this is what

00:08:14.640 it does to your brain.

00:08:15.540 We know there's an association with schizophrenia, with paranoia.

00:08:19.700 And I think that is a fear tactic to keep people from looking in rabbit holes.

00:08:25.000 Just like they say, you know, don't take LSD.

00:08:27.940 You'll think you can fly and jump out of the 10th story window of a hotel.

00:08:32.540 Well, yeah, someone does it.

00:08:35.260 You know, some guy somewhere cut off his dick on LSD, but it's probably not going to be

00:08:39.440 the thing that happens.

00:08:41.240 So I felt like that was a fear tactic to keep people away from conspiracy by just looking

00:08:47.700 at Alex Jones.

00:08:48.420 That's the role he filled in my opinion.

00:08:50.880 You know, he's very entertaining.

00:08:52.600 Um, and so I, I kind of, I, I grant some levity to that whole, uh, really aggressive way of

00:08:59.920 talking and screaming.

00:09:00.880 And you get those awesome clips where he's talking about coming to, you know, demolish

00:09:06.020 the deep state and interdimensional child molesters and psychic vampires and everything.

00:09:09.700 And it is very entertaining.

00:09:11.680 Um, but now the, it's shifted in such a way where you're talking about 2010 and what the

00:09:18.480 internet was like back then.

00:09:19.580 We had these really far and few in between, but consolidated sources for conspiracy theory

00:09:24.400 information.

00:09:25.480 Now we're getting like, we're in conspiracy heyday.

00:09:28.660 And, and what that has done is it's muddied the waters quite a bit, but it's very fun.

00:09:32.760 If you're, if you're into what we're into, right.

00:09:34.580 Which is researching these topics and everything.

00:09:36.340 I got into this for a love of information and a love of truth.

00:09:40.780 And so despite the chaotic environment that we find ourselves in, which is very much like

00:09:45.840 information warfare, right?

00:09:47.480 We're sure.

00:09:48.120 You can liken, uh, there was something that you were talking about.

00:09:51.820 Oh, the Luigi Mangione story.

00:09:53.640 And afterwards it was almost something akin to like the fog of war, right?

00:09:57.220 Where like the information just hasn't settled yet.

00:09:59.200 You don't know what the truth is.

00:10:00.340 There's a lot of disinformation going around right now.

00:10:03.380 We're in that.

00:10:04.400 It's like, we're in a big conspiracy scuffle and there's, we've kicked up all sorts of dust

00:10:08.800 and smoke.

00:10:09.280 And it's very hard to see, uh, you know, the forest through the trees right now.

00:10:12.840 We don't necessarily know what we're looking at, but it's a fun time.

00:10:15.620 And during that time, Alex Jones, despite almost losing his entire empire for the Sandy Hook

00:10:21.440 thing.

00:10:22.140 Um, and you know, I don't, I don't even know what they sued him to the tune of 300 million

00:10:26.920 gajillion dollars.

00:10:27.800 And he's still kicking and then they were going to take info wars.

00:10:31.340 You know, he's doing a live stream of that where it's like any minute now they're going

00:10:33.960 to kick in the door and they're going to seize my assets.

00:10:36.440 And he's still doing the damn thing.

00:10:38.640 It's a really weird time, especially probably for you, Greg, having been in this as long

00:10:42.360 as you have, you've seen the stark kind of cold and quiet days.

00:10:46.760 And now we're, we're reaching a density where like, it's real hot in here and it's real

00:10:51.260 chaotic.

00:10:51.620 Yeah.

00:10:52.100 Yeah.

00:10:52.640 And I, I do have a sense of humor about things.

00:10:55.000 I don't want to come off as like completely humorless, but the Alex Jones archetype for

00:11:00.960 me, I can just deal with it and overlook maybe some of these aspects of it that I don't like

00:11:06.180 personally and digest the material just fine.

00:11:08.600 But I know the people who watch the view, they're my mom, my aunt, you know, they can't

00:11:14.380 handle that kind of personality type and I know how it looks to them.

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00:11:35.340 I guess just to wrap a bow around that first point is like back in 2010, there was red

00:11:40.140 ice radio, Alex Jones, coast to coast AM, coast to coast AM has commercials every five

00:11:45.880 fucking minutes and they never get deep because they always have to recap where they were 0.85

00:11:50.660 after the last commercial break, which takes four minutes and the commercial break comes

00:11:53.820 around in eight, eight minutes again.

00:11:55.640 So that was frustrating because I'd hear people.

00:11:58.660 I'm like, oh man, this guy's really cooking with gas, but he just can't get the fire started.

00:12:02.040 I think maybe if I tried to do this with no ads, we might be able to get a lot deeper

00:12:07.900 and, you know, without the Alex Jones tone, without the ads and then red ice radio just

00:12:13.740 kind of like decided they were all right.

00:12:17.140 Like, and I don't even throw that label around.

00:12:19.000 They say that they say we are all right.

00:12:21.720 And I just thought that was strange because they had so much great content in the early

00:12:25.620 days.

00:12:26.140 You got to be outside of the paradigm.

00:12:27.800 You got to be, you know, completely independent.

00:12:31.260 I would think so.

00:12:32.080 I thought it was a weird pivot to just associate yourself with half of the political spectrum.

00:12:37.240 But yeah, obviously they made a calculated move that I think paid off because conspiracy

00:12:44.760 is like the party platform for the right now.

00:12:48.620 I also think it's weird that there's been that shift.

00:12:50.540 I grew up liberal.

00:12:51.940 I just think I was a counterculture person.

00:12:54.140 So I grew up in Missouri and I was like, I'm going to be a liberal atheist because these

00:12:59.640 are the two things that get under the skin of all these people around.

00:13:02.620 And I'm just an angsty, rebellious kid.

00:13:04.680 And, you know, then back then I really thought like a lot of the conspiracy people were liberals

00:13:11.780 because we're looking at the bushes.

00:13:13.180 We're looking at skull and bones.

00:13:15.200 We're looking at 9-11.

00:13:17.160 I'm like, these are the bad guys, the oil men, you know, and it's still kind of true.

00:13:21.940 But then since, since that time, the last decade has been all culture war stuff and it's been

00:13:28.160 all trans kids and, you know, obviously I don't have to list everything.

00:13:33.100 It's all these kind of shows talk about, myself included.

00:13:36.240 But there's definitely been a massive shift.

00:13:40.180 And as you mentioned, some of these positions get mainstreamed, Flat Earth and QAnon and

00:13:46.020 Pizzagate, you know, all these things became mainstream to mock us.

00:13:50.600 It's just like this satanic panic.

00:13:52.600 Like that was a real thing.

00:13:54.280 There's still people out there talking about the terrible stuff they saw and had happened

00:13:58.340 to them at that time.

00:13:59.860 But the media blows it up and says, look at all these people freaking out.

00:14:04.300 You know, maybe the dial should be at eight, but they turn it up to 11 to make it seem

00:14:08.240 ridiculous because if you can't hide it, the only thing you can do is ridicule it.

00:14:12.460 And I think that's kind of what happened with Q.

00:14:14.500 I think Flat Earth has become a thing where, you know, I have a contentious relationship

00:14:20.060 with Flat Earthers.

00:14:20.940 We agree about everything up to a certain point.

00:14:23.420 That's 95% of the game.

00:14:25.360 Can't we come together and say that we agree about 95% of things?

00:14:29.000 Why do I have to check that last box?

00:14:30.740 If I don't check that last box, I'm just basically Jimmy Fallon to these people.

00:14:35.560 You know, it sucks that there's no nuance in the scale of where we are.

00:14:40.080 But even if the earth is flat, you also have to get into the mind of the normal person.

00:14:45.640 And a lot of material, a lot of crimes and scandals are suppressed and hidden because

00:14:52.340 they hear Flat Earth and they turn off.

00:14:55.120 That's strategic.

00:14:56.280 You know, we're dealing with intelligence agencies.

00:14:58.180 God damn it.

00:14:58.720 Let's get intelligent.

00:15:00.040 Yeah.

00:15:00.420 Let's be strategic.

00:15:01.120 I think about it.

00:15:01.820 I homeschool my daughter.

00:15:03.280 I homeschool my son as well, but he's not really there yet.

00:15:06.240 And I'm like, what do I want to teach them about the earth?

00:15:09.760 What do I want to teach them about dinosaurs and shit like that?

00:15:13.540 Oh, I know.

00:15:14.160 And the best I've come up with so far is like, you know, they're like, the earth is round.

00:15:19.120 We're spinning through space.

00:15:20.260 And I'm like, so yeah, I say, yeah, some people think that it's not.

00:15:24.240 And I present that to them.

00:15:25.520 I said, some people think it's like this.

00:15:27.000 And they go, that's crazy.

00:15:28.440 Because like all the YouTube videos I've seen is around spinning ball through space.

00:15:32.860 And I was like, yeah, just have, you know, an open mind that maybe.

00:15:36.580 And, you know, like same thing with dinosaurs.

00:15:37.920 I was like, you know, maybe a lot of these fossils were just put together.

00:15:41.740 They're cast molds.

00:15:42.900 They might be dragons.

00:15:44.160 We don't really know.

00:15:45.720 But this is what we, what a lot of people think.

00:15:48.220 I just tell them what people think.

00:15:49.700 And then I let them go out there.

00:15:51.720 Maybe I'm like destroying my kids.

00:15:53.660 We'll find out in 10 years.

00:15:55.220 That's that thing about like agreeing with that community 95% of the way.

00:15:59.100 But then there's that remaining 5% where it's like, I can admit like NASA is a very shady

00:16:03.840 organization with shady beginnings and shady middle points and shady ending points.

00:16:07.820 And I can also admit like, it's strange how every child's t-shirt is a T-Rex inside of

00:16:13.240 an astronaut's outfit.

00:16:14.140 Like, I don't know why those things keep coming paired together.

00:16:16.700 They, they love feeding children that.

00:16:18.940 And I recognize that.

00:16:20.000 I see that as being strange.

00:16:21.220 I'm always skeptical of what they feed kids.

00:16:23.660 Like during the big LGBTQ movement, the height of it. 1.00

00:16:26.540 Now I'd say we're kind of, you know, uh, we're, we're going on a downhill, uh, ride in regards

00:16:31.500 to that cultural movement.

00:16:33.040 But, um, they really champion the unicorn and the unicorn was like the delivery method

00:16:39.020 almost for like LGBTQ values into, uh, you know, children's sphere of awareness.

00:16:44.140 And then you start looking into the unicorn and it's sort of like biblical or ancient implications

00:16:48.040 because you, you start to look at it as a, as a, as a symbol, what does the symbol of

00:16:51.500 a unicorn mean?

00:16:52.320 And then you find out that it's like associated with the Nephilim and the antichrist and all kinds

00:16:56.000 of strange shit.

00:16:56.620 And I go, well, that's weird.

00:16:57.420 And then I realized like now they're funneling the axolotl to children where the axolotl

00:17:02.420 was part of like the transhumanism agenda.

00:17:04.400 They're trying to figure out how to regenerate limbs and they're using a genetic material from

00:17:08.620 axolotl to pull that off.

00:17:10.020 And then at a time where that creature is at the cutting edge of, uh, I don't know, health

00:17:15.880 and longevity, let's say without getting too nefarious in the transhumanism thing.

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00:17:34.640 They're also marketing it towards children.

00:17:36.800 Now there's a shit ton of axolotl, uh, toys and YouTube videos and things like that to

00:17:42.380 the extent that most elementary school children know what it is.

00:17:45.960 There's t-shirts with it and everything.

00:17:47.200 So I do tend to look at these things skeptically, but there is part of that community, right?

00:17:52.220 Where it's like, if you don't buy into that last 5%, they'll determine that like you're

00:17:56.780 a shill or you're a, you're an op or something like that.

00:17:59.800 Have you heard of the little season?

00:18:01.540 Oh God.

00:18:02.460 The little season.

00:18:04.120 Ooh.

00:18:04.620 No.

00:18:05.980 So I just, sorry, before we unpack that, man, maybe we'll need to talk off air about

00:18:10.520 schooling since we are all local and I have a one-year-old and a three-year-old, but my

00:18:15.460 three-year-old is in a pre-K program and absolutely I've noticed the emphasis on dinosaurs and

00:18:21.660 thought it was strange.

00:18:22.820 Like, why aren't you just, why am I seeing these pictures?

00:18:26.640 Cause I send you pictures through this app, uh, of your kid throughout the day.

00:18:30.460 And it's like, why is she always playing with dinosaurs?

00:18:32.920 Why not like a tiger or a giraffe or just some real animal?

00:18:36.800 And they also recently, you know, they send a message, Hey, the kids are going to eat a

00:18:42.380 chips Ahoy cookie as part of the archeological thing we're doing.

00:18:45.900 So, you know, they give her a little spoon thing and she digs out chocolate chips from

00:18:51.580 a chocolate chip cookie.

00:18:52.740 It's an archeological type of thing.

00:18:55.360 And it's like, again, why, why is this the main curriculum?

00:19:00.580 Um, now who cares really what a three-year-old four-year-old is doing?

00:19:04.580 I mean, we do plenty at home and she's great, but I just, yeah, I noticed that too.

00:19:10.100 And my son now almost coming up on two years old, you go to target, you're like, we just

00:19:15.180 need a couple more t-shirts.

00:19:16.320 This kid's growing like a monster and it's all dinosaurs and astronauts.

00:19:20.680 I think I I'm crazy, but I think it's, uh, there's an agenda to, to hide up a lot of

00:19:27.580 this old world stuff where a believer in the idea of the Nephilim, the giants that

00:19:32.260 roam the earth.

00:19:32.860 I think, I think that they were more likely dragons than there were, uh, dinosaurs.

00:19:38.300 So maybe some of these fossils that, that we're finding there are some kind of remnant

00:19:42.980 of a dragon.

00:19:43.680 I know biblically the dragon is mentioned a number of times.

00:19:46.860 A dinosaur is not, they, they mentioned a Leviathan sort of thing.

00:19:50.480 So I'm like, it could, it could possibly be something to obscure, hide up our, uh, you

00:19:55.920 know, hide our past.

00:19:57.180 And, and if you get the kids when they're young, like when I was a kid, I wanted to be

00:20:00.560 a paleontologist.

00:20:01.700 That was my first occupation that I wanted to do.

00:20:05.120 And then I found out that I was like, this is probably bullshit.

00:20:08.200 Um, so yeah, you get them young, you get them in space, you get them with, uh, I feel

00:20:12.620 like it almost started with millennials in a big way.

00:20:14.640 Like we were, or not millennials, you could say, uh, gen X as well, but we were so moved

00:20:20.340 by Jurassic park.

00:20:21.520 So moved by Jurassic park.

00:20:23.520 I mean, Jurassic park was huge.

00:20:25.480 Yes.

00:20:25.780 Look at the, look at the major directors in their corpus of material.

00:20:30.700 And a lot of it is agenda based and you know, you could fold that in as part of it.

00:20:36.980 It is strange.

00:20:38.120 The dinosaur thing, my favorite angle on it is just that when they emerge in the culture,

00:20:44.480 it was all about oil.

00:20:46.040 It was like, well, this is how we get the oil.

00:20:48.080 It comes from the dinosaur bones.

00:20:49.780 So the oil is super, super limited.

00:20:51.860 So that's why it's expensive.

00:20:53.900 And that is pretty much debunked at this point.

00:20:58.040 I think everybody kind of knows that, but it's like, it is interesting.

00:21:01.480 Cause when I first got down on the dinosaur thing, I was like, I don't know if I can buy

00:21:07.460 this and I'd start looking and there's shockingly few dinosaur skeletons out in the world.

00:21:13.180 Like if you look up how many T-Rex skulls, complete skulls there are, it's less than 12.

00:21:20.640 I think I don't have the numbers in front of me.

00:21:23.160 Yeah.

00:21:23.260 We could look it up, but yeah, the vast majority of them are, are piece piece mailed together.

00:21:29.420 So it's like, you'll have one bone and then they'll, there's, they'll surmise like the,

00:21:33.520 the rest of the dinosaur based off of this one bone.

00:21:35.980 And yeah, I mean, I took my kids to Chicago to meet some family and we went to the museum

00:21:41.400 and I ended up getting my son, a onesie that was of, you know, I'm, I'm part of the problem.

00:21:46.280 The T-Rex they have there called Sue.

00:21:48.620 And it's like, this is the most complete T-Rex skeleton ever discovered.

00:21:52.720 And it's only like 60, 70%.

00:21:55.280 Think about a human skeleton.

00:21:57.420 If you had to derive what a human was like based on 70% of the skeleton, you'd probably

00:22:01.980 get a lot wrong.

00:22:03.160 Right.

00:22:03.540 But then you have Spielberg come in, clean up all that, say, these are the models. 0.71

00:22:07.500 This is what they are.

00:22:08.840 And then in the mental picture is fully formed, but it's not a real thing.

00:22:14.340 So they move, they move the goalposts too.

00:22:18.360 You could say that it's just the nature of research, which like, you know, I understand

00:22:21.960 how that is, um, it's, it's a logical conclusion, but it's also unprovable, right?

00:22:28.380 It's one of those things that you can't disprove it or prove it.

00:22:30.460 But the, the research has moved in such a direction.

00:22:33.080 Now I'm walking through Walmart the other day and, uh, in the toy section, they have

00:22:37.520 their dinosaur, but their dinosaurs are essentially just big birds.

00:22:40.500 Now they're just big birds.

00:22:41.660 You know, they're all covered in feathers and they look insane.

00:22:44.420 One of them had like three fingers and on those fingers were just impossibly long nails.

00:22:50.260 And I'm looking at this thing and I'm like, this is functionally, it doesn't make any

00:22:53.600 sense as, as an animal.

00:22:54.940 And I know we have things like that.

00:22:56.180 Like you look at a platypus and you'd be like, I don't understand.

00:22:58.660 I don't understand.

00:22:59.720 How does that thing get through the day?

00:23:01.220 Yeah.

00:23:01.580 Yeah.

00:23:01.740 There's, I'll give it to you.

00:23:02.780 There's certain things you look at and I'm like, that's, that's strange to me.

00:23:05.480 Um, but I mean, if you follow Owen Benjamin, he's convinced me pretty well, uh, to entertain

00:23:10.540 the idea that pandas are, are not a naturally occurring thing in the, in the wild.

00:23:14.920 And that this is something that was, uh, made in a lab and is otherwise useless.

00:23:19.780 If you look at them, they're, they're completely idiotic.

00:23:22.080 They can't exist in the wild.

00:23:23.260 They have no defense mechanisms whatsoever.

00:23:24.940 They're, they're young and, and they're old are completely, uh, they're, they're, they're

00:23:30.220 goofy.

00:23:30.900 They're goofy.

00:23:31.440 They tumble over.

00:23:32.200 They fall down constantly.

00:23:33.280 They, they, they're like an animal that doesn't seem to actually exist in the wild.

00:23:37.240 And I had not heard this, but it is fitting that it would be the logo for the world wildlife

00:23:41.800 fund.

00:23:42.960 Yes.

00:23:43.700 Yes.

00:23:44.040 So, so Owen's contention is basically, yeah, that they invented it at some point.

00:23:48.180 And then because there's no historical mentions of panda bears beyond like the sixties or something

00:23:52.380 like that, like if you go prior, it just simply does not exist.

00:23:55.460 And, you know, China owns them all and loans them to American zoos and they're all in captivity, 0.80

00:24:00.680 like, you know, virtually all in captivity.

00:24:02.760 And then I guess if there are any out in the wild, they've been like released to, to do

00:24:06.320 what I will give people is we've been lied to at such a scale that I, I really don't

00:24:14.200 fault anybody.

00:24:15.040 And that goes to my, my flat earth homies or anywhere in between, even the people that 0.99

00:24:19.580 are, you know, into the little season or whatever, which, you know, is a whole nother

00:24:22.760 bag.

00:24:23.040 Bring that up.

00:24:23.640 I want to know more about that.

00:24:24.660 So the little season is this idea that, um, many people within the Christian community

00:24:29.340 believe that we're at like the, the, just before the tribulation begins, right.

00:24:33.960 In the book of revelation, uh, just based off of like, it looks like biblical prophecy

00:24:37.480 is unfolding around us.

00:24:38.500 You have like the drying of the Euphrates, et cetera.

00:24:40.320 And so there's a lot of things that point to this moment in time being, you know, right

00:24:44.720 before the tribulation, but, uh, the little season people believe that what we're actually

00:24:49.400 in is after the tribulation, after the return of Jesus Christ and after his like thousand 0.56

00:24:56.540 year old, although that is contentious to the idea.

00:24:59.820 Sorry to derail you, David, but this is a while ago.

00:25:01.960 China zoo forced to admit one of their pandas is a dog after it started bar.

00:25:06.500 Yeah.

00:25:06.620 They just painted it.

00:25:07.780 They just painted the dog.

00:25:09.540 Wow.

00:25:09.780 There you go.

00:25:09.980 It's like a chow.

00:25:11.460 Yeah.

00:25:12.680 That's obviously a fucking dog.

00:25:14.760 That's a hundred percent true.

00:25:15.260 Nobody's getting fooled by that.

00:25:16.900 You know why though?

00:25:17.800 That's how fake this shit is.

00:25:19.000 Like they're like, we could barely even make, they can't get them to reproduce because

00:25:22.100 they're too stupid to have sex. 0.93

00:25:22.980 If it makes money, if it makes money, it doesn't have to make sense.

00:25:26.380 That's right.

00:25:26.900 Amen.

00:25:27.280 That's right.

00:25:27.600 They've got a scam going.

00:25:29.140 Multi-million dollar scam.

00:25:30.480 They have a real hard time reproducing.

00:25:33.620 So they're like, I guess we need dogs now.

00:25:35.900 I don't know, I guess.

00:25:36.980 But so, so the idea is that Jesus Christ already came and already reigned for whether it's a

00:25:43.200 thousand years or the terminology millennial reign is, is not strictly a thousand years.

00:25:47.400 It doesn't matter.

00:25:47.820 A really long time.

00:25:48.580 And then what happens is after Jesus reigns for all that time, Satan is, is loosed again

00:25:54.200 on, you know, on the, on humanity.

00:25:56.800 And it's like this final test of humanity in so many ways before, you know, the big final

00:26:03.380 battle comes.

00:26:04.000 And so I give those people a lot of credence because what ends up happening is you look

00:26:08.900 around at all this like weird evidence of, of entire empires.

00:26:12.500 And they don't like when you call it Tartaria, but that's what it's become colloquially known

00:26:16.340 as sure.

00:26:17.200 They say that Tartaria are actually the remains of the millennial kingdom.

00:26:21.820 And to their credit, I recognize that some of the architecture, um, that not only exists

00:26:26.880 within the Tartaria model, but also exists during like the dark ages, right?

00:26:31.580 When you're talking about these cathedrals that are unbelievable and their windows are

00:26:35.820 somehow, um, a physical representation of the harmonics that would play from like the

00:26:42.360 organs inside those cathedrals, right?

00:26:44.360 Cathedral and cathode are basically, you know, similar words.

00:26:47.800 So I think they did well up energy from these brass crosses at the top peak.

00:26:53.820 And, uh, we know that pyramid shapes well up energy.

00:26:57.900 You don't even need to have moving parts.

00:26:59.340 Just a pyramid frame over a plant will make it grow better than one without.

00:27:05.820 It's odd.

00:27:06.620 It's a reality.

00:27:08.020 So when people say in ancient times before they had all this machinery or anything, they

00:27:13.240 were playing with energies.

00:27:14.240 It's like, well, yeah, cause it doesn't take industrialization to even do that.

00:27:19.200 Really?

00:27:19.740 Yeah.

00:27:19.880 They made it pretty great.

00:27:21.140 That too.

00:27:21.920 It's a, it plays on your consciousness in multiple different ways.

00:27:24.580 Yeah.

00:27:24.700 I agree with that.

00:27:25.340 The pipe organ, the psychedelic windows stained glass.

00:27:30.240 Yeah.

00:27:30.800 It's a, it's a consciousness altering machine, a cathedral.

00:27:34.880 And it seems to me like we can't recreate that now, just given our, our current state

00:27:39.580 of architecture and like the reductive materialism, like the way that we, everything is, um, what

00:27:46.020 would you call it?

00:27:46.740 Like there's a modernization, but that's not quite the word when you reduce everything

00:27:51.120 to like cubes and spheres, right.

00:27:53.020 It's not like, um, I forget what the terminology is, but it's so without detail.

00:27:58.080 It's so without like ornate decadence and beauty.

00:28:01.160 It's just this reductive, simplistic Cuban sphere model that we build everything with. 0.99

00:28:06.300 And then of course, uh, nothing that we build has any longevity to it either, but these

00:28:10.660 cathedrals that supposedly were erected during the dark ages where we were intellectually and

00:28:15.220 spiritually suppressed.

00:28:16.260 Uh, we can't even recreate them, dude.

00:28:19.180 They're all, everyone's, everyone's possessed by our cons.

00:28:22.860 There you go.

00:28:25.000 That's all right.

00:28:25.660 See you guys later.

00:28:27.260 That's it.

00:28:27.880 That's it.

00:28:28.240 That's it.

00:28:28.720 You know what I want to ask you?

00:28:30.240 Um, I know you said you started off looking at these things that are tangible, right?

00:28:34.040 You're nine 11s and things like that.

00:28:36.320 And of course we've moved into the realm of like, really the supernatural, um, has found

00:28:41.580 its home in the conspiracy narrative here in 2025.

00:28:45.000 It's not so obtuse to, to mention these things.

00:28:47.380 Where do you fall Greg on our homies, the reptilians?

00:28:52.820 Well, I think reptilians are probably more complex.

00:28:59.060 It is probably a bloodline.

00:29:01.160 Uh, I don't know if I believe that there are reptilian looking people that shape shift.

00:29:06.580 Now.

00:29:06.840 I think they might be people in, uh, there might be people in power that are descendants

00:29:11.420 of some type of reptilian hybrid program thousands of years ago.

00:29:16.060 That makes a little more sense to me.

00:29:17.720 Or when people see shape shifting, maybe they are possessed by some reptilian like demon.

00:29:23.540 And sometimes it phases in to be seen, uh, going back to Gordon white, who's goes to the

00:29:30.880 Amazon and does ayahuasca.

00:29:32.240 He's like, I have seen a shaman, like literally turn into a Jaguar.

00:29:37.300 Like, you know, not, not like his arms bend backwards and he grows a tail, but you look

00:29:42.980 at them and you're like, that's the qualities of a Jaguar.

00:29:45.720 Like you somehow brought in the spirit of Jaguar and like, I can see it.

00:29:50.860 I can, whether it's the shadows of the, the fire, you know, the campfire or whatever, like,

00:29:57.120 it's just something you can kind of see.

00:29:59.500 So I guess I don't think things are as solid as we think they are.

00:30:03.920 And sometimes if spirits come into this place and they're possessing someone, uh, and they've

00:30:09.420 got a real good hook in them, maybe in certain lights, at certain angles, you can see scales

00:30:15.460 or something wrong with the eye, something like that.

00:30:18.400 So, I mean, that's, that's probably what I would say.

00:30:21.900 I mean, if we're just broadly talking about, are the elite something else, you know, probably

00:30:28.440 I think so.

00:30:31.340 We've been getting caught up.

00:30:32.440 I think you guys would agree, right?

00:30:33.700 Well, yeah.

00:30:34.680 Um, I mean, I, I, I don't throw out the potentiality for entire, even physical entities to exist.

00:30:42.820 Like, I think there is a, a, a way in which maybe, cause you know, the conversation right

00:30:47.780 now on like UAPs is, is really entered, uh, interdimensional grounds, right?

00:30:52.460 Because we're kind of getting comfortable with the idea that they're not extra terrestrial

00:30:56.560 in the sense of like outside of our solar system or something like that.

00:31:00.020 Although that narrative still exists, there's some people that are abducted and they're like,

00:31:04.000 we're from the Pleiades homie. 0.83

00:31:05.400 And, and we came all this way to take you and put this in your butt. 1.00

00:31:08.340 And maybe there's, there's some validity to that.

00:31:11.080 I'm not too sure, but that interdimensional aspect is something that I think a lot of us

00:31:15.760 have been entertaining more and more these days.

00:31:17.720 And I don't think that that restricts the potentiality for that thing that comes in

00:31:22.260 through this dimensional gateway, whatever that is, um, not being solid, not being physical.

00:31:27.440 I think they probably can be physical and I don't have anything else to go on, but like

00:31:31.740 really hours of, of testimony that I've listened to from people like, uh, Tony Merkel at the

00:31:37.400 confessionals and things like that, or, uh, or the bump podcasts and these guys, you know,

00:31:41.400 they're having people on and they're sharing their testimony.

00:31:43.280 We, we also do a version of that where we'll have people write in their paranormal testimonies.

00:31:47.740 Uh, it's called NDS Chronicles and we'll read them on air.

00:31:50.480 And I don't dismiss these people's encounters because I recognize that there's a through

00:31:55.400 line, a pattern that seems to emerge.

00:31:57.280 The more data you take in, the more stories you get, the more similarities there are.

00:32:00.800 And I think that those similarities kind of hint to this being a real phenomenon.

00:32:05.660 Um, when I was a kid, I saw something that I couldn't explain, uh, with my buddy.

00:32:10.920 And to this day, if I, if I ring him up and ask him, like, do you remember what we saw?

00:32:16.260 He don't even want to talk about it.

00:32:18.160 And which is strange.

00:32:19.860 Cause I don't feel that way.

00:32:20.760 I saw, um, I thought we were going to get attacked by a dog.

00:32:24.560 Something came running at us through the tall grass.

00:32:27.380 And when it came out in front of us, it was bipedal.

00:32:30.520 Um, and it was, uh, I thought it was a naked, uh, little black boy because I was like 13

00:32:36.880 and it just didn't make sense any other way.

00:32:39.760 So I thought, even though I was terrified, which my response to what I thought was a naked

00:32:45.840 little black boy lost in the woods was, I guess the wrong response.

00:32:49.120 Cause I just screamed and ran away from him.

00:32:51.240 Um, but it was only like analysis later on that taught me like, why would that, why would

00:32:56.640 there be a child lost in the woods like that?

00:32:58.460 Why would that child run away from us? 0.99

00:33:00.680 Um, why would he be naked?

00:33:02.720 And, and why didn't we try to help him?

00:33:06.640 You know, we were just kids.

00:33:07.820 If this is just a kid, you know, maybe we were scared at first and we would have, but

00:33:11.920 we would have course corrected and be like, oh my God, there's a kid in the woods.

00:33:15.160 Instead we ran.

00:33:17.020 And, and then there's other things that I'm not too sure if I actually remember, like

00:33:20.540 I know it was naked and I don't remember seeing any, any genitalia or anything like that.

00:33:26.660 And it was like black, black. 0.74

00:33:29.980 And yeah, not unlike something I saw when I was a young kid.

00:33:34.000 Really?

00:33:34.420 What did you see?

00:33:35.420 So I have told the story a bunch of times, but it doesn't fit any model of people like,

00:33:40.780 was it Bigfoot?

00:33:41.860 Was it, uh, you know, a, a pygmy or something? 1.00

00:33:44.920 I, it just doesn't fit any of the conventional cryptid models, but it, it description is similar

00:33:50.880 to you.

00:33:51.420 I didn't think it was a person.

00:33:52.660 I definitely didn't think it was a person, but it was black.

00:33:55.300 I was in kindergarten.

00:33:56.820 I was walking around this new neighborhood where we bought a house, a subdivision with

00:34:00.680 my parents, and there's a Canyon behind some of the houses.

00:34:04.080 And I looked down there and I see this thing.

00:34:06.680 That's kind of like hunched over, like the way a werewolf hunches over, like, you know,

00:34:11.960 the big back is hunched over.

00:34:13.740 And as soon as I see it, it sees me and it locks eyes with me.

00:34:17.080 And it's very clear.

00:34:18.620 And I say to my parents, Hey, come here, come here.

00:34:21.020 You have to see this thing.

00:34:22.340 It's a big bear.

00:34:24.660 Cause I didn't know what it could be.

00:34:26.380 I said bear and my parents, you know, we play jokes on each other.

00:34:30.180 I'm a little kid.

00:34:30.840 They're like laughing.

00:34:31.840 Yeah.

00:34:32.160 Yeah.

00:34:32.480 And I'm like, no, seriously.

00:34:34.260 And they can tell I'm getting really upset, but they also know bears don't live in the

00:34:39.060 woods in Missouri, or at least to their knowledge.

00:34:42.100 And then it rose up, uh, in more of a full stand.

00:34:47.180 And I said, no, uh, it's a, it's a weird rhino thing because, and I know that's even crazier,

00:34:54.840 but it kind of morphed to where what I thought was black or Brown fur looked more like a elephant

00:35:01.760 or rhinoceros skin.

00:35:03.520 It looked like skin, not fur.

00:35:05.460 So I'm looking at this kind of impossible creature and I'm trying to focus on different

00:35:10.620 parts of it to give a description of what it is.

00:35:13.480 And then it kind of does like a, and just a few steps.

00:35:18.340 And it just kind of dissipates and goes away.

00:35:20.440 Like it had the attitude of like, Oh shit, you saw me.

00:35:23.780 You shouldn't be seeing me.

00:35:25.200 I'm going to go back to being invisible.

00:35:28.380 And so I am crying hysterically, really not, not necessarily out of fear.

00:35:33.700 It wasn't even dark.

00:35:34.880 It wasn't a creepy situation except for the thing, but I was instantly traumatized by the

00:35:42.300 fact that my parents were 15 feet away.

00:35:44.980 They wouldn't fucking come over and see what I was seeing.

00:35:48.080 And now I know that I'm going to be the only one who ever saw this thing.

00:35:52.380 And that sucks because I want someone to talk to you.

00:35:56.340 I want, and, and, and I made my parents go door to door.

00:35:59.680 Cause this is a cul-de-sac and I made them go to the houses.

00:36:02.520 I was, and I was like, have you ever seen anything on the woods behind your house?

00:36:07.380 And obviously they said no.

00:36:09.740 So I still wonder what that was.

00:36:12.880 And I, it doesn't fit any major description, a shadow person.

00:36:16.560 It seemed like, uh, like elemental is a term that's a very broad.

00:36:21.400 So maybe it was an elemental of the woods.

00:36:23.320 The subdivision was new and it was a wooded area.

00:36:25.620 So maybe this was a thing that was angry about the displacement of these new homes going in

00:36:30.880 and all the wilderness being cleared out.

00:36:32.860 You know, these are things I've thought years later.

00:36:35.480 Um, also strange, I interviewed a guy who put an emphasis on finding symbols in places you might not necessarily think they are.

00:36:48.500 And I grew up in a subdivision called St. John's crossing.

00:36:51.720 And I was like, that's interesting.

00:36:53.920 You know, crossing crossroads who built this subdivision.

00:36:57.580 You know, what, what really, I never thought about it much.

00:37:00.180 I started doing like a deep dive into it and it was like, uh, I believe it was a Mormon or a Lutheran sect of people who kind of congregated in this area and St. John, this guy built the church to St. John.

00:37:12.400 And then a subdivision was built next to the church.

00:37:15.140 And if you look at a bird's eye view of St. John's crossing in Arnold, Missouri, there is a, a free Masonic square and compass shape to it.

00:37:27.380 Now it's not a hundred percent of square and compass, but it's close enough that you're like, was that intentional?

00:37:34.560 And then it's like, it's just weird because you know, they're magic and religion are very, you know, they think they're presented as oil and water, but there's a lot of crossover when you get into people outside of mainstream religions.

00:37:48.820 And it's called St. John's crossing.

00:37:51.080 I just thought it was weird to see it added a little bit of color to like, why am I seeing this thing at the edge of St. John's crossing?

00:37:59.460 Maybe it's related.

00:38:00.620 Maybe it isn't, but I saw a weird thing and I didn't think it was human, but I definitely like describe, like I thought it was dog-like for part of this.

00:38:09.920 And then I thought it was definitely a black, maybe a shadow thing, but like you kind of defies category.

00:38:17.260 You can't say I saw a dog man that day.

00:38:19.680 You can't say I saw a Bigfoot that day.

00:38:22.840 What the hell is it?

00:38:24.600 Something sentient, something upright.

00:38:27.880 Well, for sure.

00:38:29.040 Sentient.

00:38:29.640 I've got some questions for you, but before we go on to those questions, we're at the 38 minute mark, guys.

00:38:34.700 You saw something that shouldn't exist in this realm.

00:38:37.320 That's, I think, yeah, that's the main thing.

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00:39:14.800 So, Greg, I mean, you know, you said that this started with 9-11 and things like that.

00:39:22.140 And that's not the case, if you really think about it, is it, Greg?

00:39:25.160 I find that so many people who do what we do, who are out here asking these questions, who have a love for this sort of information and this tenacity for the truth, they have something weird like that at the root of it.

00:39:37.020 You don't think that that plays any role, Greg, in you going forward and asking a bunch of questions?

00:39:41.240 No, I definitely do.

00:39:42.340 And I have thought more about my life in retrospect.

00:39:45.880 There are other things.

00:39:47.140 There was a time where I was out in front of the house, and it was winter, and I was sledding.

00:39:53.880 We lived on an inclined street, so I'm sledding.

00:39:56.900 And this truck pulls up, and this guy tries to get me to come into the truck.

00:40:01.540 He's like, hey, kid, come here.

00:40:02.660 I got to talk to you about something.

00:40:04.440 And I was like, oh, my God, this is textbook everything I've ever been told not to engage with.

00:40:10.700 So I start trying to make my way into the house, but it's icy out.

00:40:16.080 I'm wearing winter clothes.

00:40:17.420 I can't move as fast as I would.

00:40:19.020 So I'm, like, really scared that this guy would be able to grab me before I could even get into my house.

00:40:24.320 But I did get into my house, and, you know, he's like, do you live here?

00:40:28.620 Do you live here?

00:40:29.460 I'm like, you know, I'm just trying not to engage, but I clearly went into the house.

00:40:34.520 So my mom happened to, at this moment, be on the phone with a neighbor across the street.

00:40:40.280 So this van, like, kind of pulls behind a tree where it's hard to see from the house I'm in, but clear to be seen from across the street.

00:40:49.140 And so this is a wild synchronicity that I'm telling my mom what happened.

00:40:53.180 She's on the phone, and this person's like, oh, I can see that truck, and I can see the license plate.

00:40:57.920 And they write down the license plate.

00:40:59.900 The cops get called.

00:41:00.920 This guy tells a story that he has a son, and his son was at another kid's house in this neighborhood, and he didn't know exactly where it was.

00:41:13.340 So he was really just trying to find his kid.

00:41:16.580 And I'm like, well, I wasn't playing with any other kid.

00:41:20.580 You know, you didn't ask me about another kid.

00:41:22.640 Like, it didn't, the story didn't check out to my young brain.

00:41:26.300 And so I asked the police, I'm like, you know, did you get this guy?

00:41:29.520 Is he, is he gone?

00:41:30.460 They're like, well, there's nothing to do.

00:41:32.060 And so it took me many months to not be scared that this guy was going to come back for me because he was mad that I told the police and the police didn't lock him up.

00:41:44.280 And it shook my confidence.

00:41:45.640 So first off, do people steal kids?

00:41:48.660 Yes, I now have firsthand experience that they try to do that.

00:41:51.620 And also, don't trust the fucking police because they aren't going to actually protect you.

00:41:56.620 They just put you on the radar of the person who now is twice as mad at you.

00:42:01.900 So these are all things I processed young.

00:42:05.940 There's a lot of, I'm deaf in my right ear.

00:42:08.100 I'm deaf in my right ear because the story is I had meningitis when I was three years old.

00:42:13.260 What is meningitis?

00:42:14.640 You know, was it a vaccine injury that because we're in a paradigm that can't accept that a vaccine injury could ever happen?

00:42:22.580 They just went to the next thing and told my parents, hey, the kid's got meningitis.

00:42:27.140 I don't know how he got it.

00:42:28.540 Probably some bacteria somewhere because three years old is right when you're getting vaccines and stuff.

00:42:33.960 So there's just a lot of, a lot of little things.

00:42:37.700 It seems somewhat like fate that if I look back at the story, reality was telling me different parts of conspiracy reality are true.

00:42:48.860 And I was able to accept a lot of that stuff, maybe faster with less resistance because of personal experience, whether it's paranormal, big harma, or just stealing kids.

00:43:02.600 Like it's all there.

00:43:04.520 I had the same thing happened.

00:43:06.720 Wow.

00:43:07.460 I was a kid and I was riding my bike and I don't know how old I was, maybe, maybe eight or nine years old.

00:43:13.060 I think I was still in, yeah, I was still in elementary school.

00:43:15.060 And all of a sudden this red pickup truck pulls up on the corner and the guy goes, hey, do you know where the elementary school is?

00:43:22.600 And it was my elementary school.

00:43:23.920 So I start pointing down the road and I go, yeah, you want to go down here?

00:43:26.940 You want to go this way?

00:43:28.480 And he goes, get in and why don't you get in and show me?

00:43:32.620 And I, you know, of course, stranger danger, right?

00:43:35.000 You get in these announcements all the time in like public school and elementary school.

00:43:38.160 I don't get in the car with strangers.

00:43:39.700 Um, and so I start to, I'm on my bike and I'm, I'm on the sidewalk facing him and I lift my wheel up and I start slowly waddling to pivot, you know, to do the kind of one wheel pivot.

00:43:52.000 And, and I start trying to head in the other direction.

00:43:54.140 And the last thing I hear is the car door open behind me and I get, and I start pedaling, but I'm, I'm only like four houses away from my house.

00:44:01.580 So I pull in and it was a, it was a horrifying experience, not just because of that, but because the police did come and they asked me, uh,

00:44:09.700 what kind of car it was.

00:44:11.160 And I just said, it was a, it was a red pickup.

00:44:13.660 And I, I remember feeling so ashamed because they were like, what kind of pickup?

00:44:18.700 Was it like a Ford?

00:44:19.500 Was it like a Chevy?

00:44:20.300 And I was like, I don't even know what the fuck that means, dude.

00:44:23.000 I had no idea.

00:44:23.780 Like, and I remember being met cause my dad wasn't around when I was a kid or, you know, at all.

00:44:27.880 And I remember like, even at that age being like, like, I think I told him my dad wasn't around.

00:44:33.100 So I don't know anything about cars.

00:44:36.120 Well, I mean, that was even an experience.

00:44:38.100 Yeah.

00:44:38.240 That was an element of mine too.

00:44:39.460 They're like, how old is the guy?

00:44:40.740 I'm like between 20 and 60 because I'm so young.

00:44:44.700 I'm just like a 20 year old is a goddamn adult.

00:44:46.980 And so is a 60 year.

00:44:47.980 I don't have any idea, but you got his license plate asshole.

00:44:51.580 How about you start there and stop grilling the kid about shit that kids don't know?

00:44:56.420 I don't think they ended up doing anything either.

00:44:58.520 Before the show, you were, uh, you mentioned to us that you did some research on us to see what we were chatting about.

00:45:03.300 And, uh, the telepathy tapes came up, but, uh, this topic of children being targeted in a way and not being protected and, uh, vaccine damages that possibly happen to kid.

00:45:16.020 This is, this is one of the things that we were extremely focused on.

00:45:20.260 And we were talking about Kai Dickens and maybe what she missed or what she does not include in her, uh, in her work.

00:45:27.540 Or, uh, I don't know, maybe the, what exactly would you say was like the, uh, the production of what she's doing and the, the kind of like this corporate structure of the present, presentation of what she's doing.

00:45:41.860 It limits her, her ability to speak in my opinion, correctly on the phenomenon that she's presenting, but maybe she, maybe she is speaking correctly, right?

00:45:53.500 Maybe she's just, you know, in a controlled manner presenting us a narrative.

00:45:58.220 And that's kind of what we were getting at with our telepathy tapes ideas there.

00:46:03.160 But I'd love to hear a little bit more about what you think about just the experience you, you were having with, uh, with these, these podcasts.

00:46:12.340 Well, I found out about the telepathy tapes, I would say pretty early before it went truly viral.

00:46:17.980 And so I messaged them and said, Hey, this is like a good topic for my show.

00:46:22.300 You're launching a podcast.

00:46:23.720 You know, I'd love to interview Kai.

00:46:26.020 And I got back a response about, Hey, we liked the idea, but we're trying to really get our PR handled and really lock in all of our PR.

00:46:35.980 And to me, that's a little bit of a red flag.

00:46:38.500 As I said, before we started recording, I've done this since 2010, no manager, no agents.

00:46:44.560 Like I don't find there to be much of a need to involve other people.

00:46:47.820 I would say there's probably people of a caliber who don't even respond to my email requests because I write them myself.

00:46:55.040 And they think, well, he can't really have the audience.

00:46:58.180 He says he does.

00:46:58.820 Cause why doesn't he have a guy doing that?

00:47:00.640 And it's like, well, because to me, you can't outsource who the guests are.

00:47:04.580 And what's the point of me telling someone else, well, I have a middleman.

00:47:07.640 I have to choose my guests because I'm trying to make the best show I can make.

00:47:11.520 So that's a part I can't outsource the edit.

00:47:13.860 Sure.

00:47:14.160 I've got an editor who cleans everything up, makes it better, but you can't outsource guest selection.

00:47:20.340 So I don't know.

00:47:21.360 I just, I thought that was a bit of a red flag.

00:47:23.720 It seemed like they were too focused on presentation, controlling the narrative, posturing in a certain way.

00:47:31.780 And I don't like that.

00:47:33.160 So I kind of stopped paying much attention to the telepathy tapes because I have to move on.

00:47:38.580 I have to fill my calendar.

00:47:40.800 I have to fill my shows.

00:47:42.240 And if you're going to say no, and you're going to give me that story about PR, then fine.

00:47:47.380 Get back in touch with me later if you want to, but I'm done trying.

00:47:50.540 And so then I saw it kind of blow up and, you know, then I saw Kion Rogan.

00:47:56.680 I was like, man, I told my wife, like, I missed that one.

00:47:59.460 I fucked up.

00:48:00.280 Uh, and that that's, as he goes more into conspiracy territory, he just did Suzanne Humphreys.

00:48:06.220 I mean, I've read her book three times, Suzanne Humphreys.

00:48:08.920 I mean, goddamn, she should be on my show. 1.00

00:48:11.000 What's what stay in your lane, Joe.

00:48:12.800 Keep, keep, keep interviewing Elon Musk and, uh, doing MMA shows and talking about bears and wolves.

00:48:19.640 Get out of my lane. 0.98

00:48:21.140 Um, no, I, I mean, I, I don't really care, but, uh, especially because on that issue, I just think that it's all hands on deck.

00:48:28.340 The programming needs to get broken.

00:48:31.160 Uh, just the idea that these things are some magic category of medicine when every single other medicine has side effects.

00:48:41.000 Oh, but not these, not the ones that are given under the skin, bypassing the body's defense mechanisms.

00:48:47.140 Like these ones are magic, but every other drug produced by the same companies, the most sued companies in history.

00:48:55.000 They're, you know, they have massive side effects.

00:48:58.660 So on that issue, you know, who cares?

00:49:01.080 But yes, back to the telepathy tapes.

00:49:03.200 Uh, I started to watch more, maybe out of spite.

00:49:06.260 I was watch more, uh, people talking shit on them or, or, or trying to, um, analyze them.

00:49:12.740 And, you know, I saw one video where they're, they're focused on this kid.

00:49:18.400 I believe he was, uh, playing a piano or something.

00:49:21.360 And then behind him is his mom.

00:49:22.880 I believe this is an Indian kid and they're watching the mom and they're saying, no, this mom is giving him prompts.

00:49:28.720 This mom is, um, saying certain things and he stops when she says a certain word.

00:49:36.120 And I don't know if there's merit in that, but you probably know that is an old trick.

00:49:40.040 That's the old horse counting trick.

00:49:42.720 If you remember way back in the day, in the black and white TV days, there would be the story of the, how the horse that can count.

00:49:50.520 Yeah.

00:49:51.100 And the horse would hit his hoof and he basically would just hit his hoof until people started clapping.

00:49:58.440 Count to eight and the horse would do it. 0.81

00:50:00.320 And then when it hits eight, everyone claps and he just stops.

00:50:02.860 Like that's not a horse counting.

00:50:04.600 That's basically teaching a dog to shake, you know, it's just an action.

00:50:09.100 And so the suggestion was that there's an element of the telepathy tapes where that is in play.

00:50:16.060 That it is not kids necessarily doing much more than hearing a prompt that is, uh, not being paid attention to in the frame.

00:50:24.020 You know, it's all about attention.

00:50:25.220 You're focused here.

00:50:26.480 The Kansas city shuffles going on over here.

00:50:28.420 And I don't know, but when something blows up like it did, I get skeptical because things just don't happen like that.

00:50:37.280 They don't blow up like that.

00:50:38.760 Telepathy is not new.

00:50:40.620 Anyone who's intrigued by telepathy and the long history of it, there's so much material to look at.

00:50:47.720 Why all of a sudden is this on everybody's radar and on the biggest podcast in the world?

00:50:52.680 Why did it even come across my news feeds where I got interested in it early on?

00:50:58.720 To me, that's non-organic.

00:51:01.440 And, um, to me that there's something about it now, I guess.

00:51:05.320 And you have to tell me, cause I, I stopped paying attention.

00:51:08.340 You probably know way more about it than me, but the main point is that kids who are autistic have telepathic abilities that are being overlooked by neurotypicals.

00:51:18.840 That's mainly the premise, right?

00:51:20.540 I mean, so I don't want to rehash what our audience is already tired of us saying, but I can give you the abridged version, which is morally, more or less, it's questions, right?

00:51:31.320 So one of my questions is, uh, why does.

00:51:34.920 Well, I think, uh, let, let's just say, so we named this like two part series debunking the telepathy tapes because it's clickbait.

00:51:43.020 Uh, yeah, we don't debunk it.

00:51:46.320 Uh, let's operate on the assumption that we believe exactly what they're saying.

00:51:50.280 And listen, my dog, my, my old dog that just died, Brody, uh, he would do a counting trick and it would just be like, I'm looking directly in his eyes.

00:51:57.200 He'd bark the number of times I want.

00:51:58.780 And I'd avert my eyes and he would stop and people would clap.

00:52:01.480 There are tricks to this.

00:52:02.720 There you go.

00:52:03.300 Yeah.

00:52:03.720 But, uh, there's some podcasting when you, well, the dog died.

00:52:07.000 That's why he died.

00:52:07.600 So my jig jigs up, baby, no more walking the boardwalk, making the big bucks.

00:52:15.580 Um, so there, there are parlor tricks, but, uh, I don't think that they were at play in this, uh, in this series.

00:52:22.920 Maybe not, at least not all of them, because there's just too many kids.

00:52:26.520 There's even like a, another person, uh, uh, this guy that they had on blurry creatures recently.

00:52:31.380 Great episode that they just released.

00:52:33.000 He's, he's, uh, like a Christian dude, like some sort of a passer. 0.98

00:52:36.060 And he works with, uh, kids like this, nonverbal autistic kids.

00:52:39.720 And he's done spelling with them a number of times.

00:52:41.740 So spelling is like, they're, they're, uh, touching a board, spelling out what they would say.

00:52:48.440 Sometimes the kids actually need assistance with like a hand on the shoulder, but it's, it's kind of complicated.

00:52:55.360 Let's just operate as if this is true.

00:52:57.940 If, if true, then what are we taking from these tapes?

00:53:02.660 Go ahead.

00:53:03.220 Dave is about to hit that.

00:53:04.600 So, um, what I first kind of discovered was this, it's very anecdotal, but there's an overlap

00:53:11.900 where you have like, let's say the MK ultra program.

00:53:15.320 It's, um, it's trauma-based mind control.

00:53:18.160 You, uh, traumatize an individual, you create a disassociative identity disorder, and then that

00:53:23.480 opens them up to a whole level of suggestibility and programming.

00:53:26.400 And the same thing happens in the Montauk project.

00:53:29.120 And I've, I've said this at nauseam, but it's like, you look at stranger things, uh, which is a fictionalized, sensationalized version of it.

00:53:35.340 But it is, um, a trauma-based program where you induce a disassociative identity disorder state in a child.

00:53:44.800 And somehow this gains, gives them access to latent psychic abilities.

00:53:50.160 And then you look at the telepathy tapes and you look at these children and you go, okay, where is the, the psychic abilities?

00:53:57.540 That's pretty obvious.

00:53:58.280 Where is the trauma?

00:53:59.900 Well, the trauma is in the inoculations.

00:54:02.600 And what happens is they become nonverbal.

00:54:05.380 They become prisoners of their own physical flesh, causes them to dissociate.

00:54:09.740 And so that's a really uncomfortable through line.

00:54:13.940 I don't know why that's there and why we're seeing that.

00:54:16.580 And then also another good question to your point, Greg, would be why are we sitting on, I don't know.

00:54:23.720 I don't even know how to quantify the years of research.

00:54:26.620 It's not even years of research.

00:54:28.280 It's the entire human experience since the dawn of time.

00:54:30.860 We've had shamans and, and, you know, people with telepathic abilities, clairvoyance and psychics and all these different things.

00:54:37.260 And then you go into the modern era and you have people with credibility, um, researching these things.

00:54:44.480 Obviously the CIA takes a huge interest in it.

00:54:47.240 Uh, but you have Rupert Sheldrake is one of my favorite examples.

00:54:50.840 He's a very thorough researcher and he comes to really not only, um, interesting conclusions, but relatable ones.

00:54:57.900 You know, he uses examples like when you're thinking a song in your head, but your spouse finishes the song.

00:55:03.920 Happened last night.

00:55:04.980 I was in the shop.

00:55:05.920 Yeah.

00:55:06.240 I mean, a little bit of a.

00:55:07.540 Morphic resonance, fellas.

00:55:08.680 Morphic resonance.

00:55:09.480 I had Rupert Sheldrake on the podcast.

00:55:11.360 Did you really?

00:55:12.100 In the early days.

00:55:13.060 Yeah.

00:55:13.200 I probably couldn't even get him to that.

00:55:14.320 He literally told me to kick rocks and I don't blame him.

00:55:16.180 Yeah.

00:55:16.480 That's, you know, I, I'm very lucky.

00:55:18.160 I started when I did because there weren't a lot of people asking for interviews from some of these folks.

00:55:22.760 And I got good interviews early on.

00:55:26.180 Richard Bandler is another one.

00:55:27.580 You know, the neuro-linguistic programming guy.

00:55:30.300 I just had someone the other day be like, I can't believe that I found that in your archive.

00:55:35.920 It's like, yeah, I probably couldn't do that one today.

00:55:38.260 And if I had a chance to do it over, I might've asked him why there's so much sketchy stuff about a dead secretary or something like that, that he had once.

00:55:46.500 I don't know.

00:55:47.400 I'd have to, I sure I shouldn't say anything without really researching it, but this isn't, this is just between us.

00:55:52.720 Right.

00:55:53.300 Yeah.

00:55:54.100 I'll send a couple thousand people who will watch after.

00:55:56.260 Yeah.

00:55:57.660 But no, yeah.

00:55:58.440 Rupert Sheldrake makes some excellent points.

00:56:01.440 So Stranger Things is another great example.

00:56:03.880 I've had people like Chris Knowles, good friend of mine.

00:56:06.860 He's on my show a lot.

00:56:07.860 He runs the Secret Son blog of Synchro Mysticism.

00:56:11.580 He was big in comic books.

00:56:14.720 He was an artist.

00:56:15.600 He also wrote the X-Files companion book.

00:56:19.900 Like he, he's got an OCD thing where he goes deep on stuff he cares about.

00:56:24.500 He knows about production.

00:56:26.300 He knows about just how things get made.

00:56:28.440 And when Stranger Things originally came out, he's like, watch this because something's

00:56:34.880 going on here.

00:56:35.780 These guys, the Duffer brothers come out of nowhere.

00:56:38.240 They make this like perfect show that is insanely revealing.

00:56:42.580 It's like something's going on here.

00:56:44.400 And then, yeah.

00:56:45.540 And then subsequent seasons kind of mock, they kind of walk back some stuff.

00:56:50.120 I wouldn't say walk back, but like the premise I brought up earlier, when something gets revealed,

00:56:54.680 you have two choices, deny it or make it ridiculous.

00:56:57.240 They decided to make it ridiculous because subsequent seasons have nothing to do with

00:57:02.340 the first season.

00:57:03.300 Like now there's a monster on the loose and it's just, it gets to a weird degree.

00:57:08.100 There's like the zombie season where everyone's possessed by a parasite.

00:57:11.400 It becomes, each season is just a trope of old classic retro horror type stuff.

00:57:17.880 But that first season was insane.

00:57:21.020 And I think, and Chris thinks, that they revealed too much.

00:57:26.420 And they probably attracted some attention and who knows how it works.

00:57:31.680 Does the show resonate because it reveals a deep truth?

00:57:35.280 Does the show take off because it's designed to take off and the algorithms put it to the

00:57:41.940 top?

00:57:42.720 You know, there's a lot, but I think that because it got so popular, they walked back a lot

00:57:47.520 of this stuff.

00:57:47.900 Now, all of a sudden, 11 is just a superhero.

00:57:50.260 She's basically Superman. 1.00

00:57:51.940 And the first season was all about that deep trauma.

00:57:55.920 And yeah, I think that's such a true thing.

00:57:58.500 I interviewed Whitley Strieber a couple of times, but one time, well, yeah, a couple of

00:58:03.120 times, but one time in particular.

00:58:04.540 Uh, I, I, I try to get him to focus on this aspect of his story where he remembers being

00:58:12.060 in a school as a child and being taken to this school.

00:58:16.100 And I believe he says there's kids in cages.

00:58:18.960 He, he basically is like, it's all foggy in my mind, but definitely I got taken to a,

00:58:25.800 a school that wasn't my normal school for a section of time.

00:58:29.680 And then I interviewed this guy gray recently who claims to be a satanic ritual abuse, survivor

00:58:35.720 gray area, monarch.

00:58:37.340 Yeah.

00:58:38.160 And I think he's legit.

00:58:40.640 The way he talks, the cadence of him, him talking, he, I don't even want to, it's not even that

00:58:47.200 I'm talking shit, but you would expect a person who had a lot of trauma in their background

00:58:52.400 to maybe have some ticks, maybe have some, uh, stumbling over their words, maybe some anxiety,

00:58:58.880 let's say, cause he seems like there's an anxiety to his words, but also he talks in

00:59:04.600 language that is military adjacent.

00:59:07.060 And he says he was in project Monarch.

00:59:09.540 So guys who are in the military also have a certain way of talking and they focus on,

00:59:15.640 you know, certain language.

00:59:17.240 And so I'm seeing that in him too.

00:59:18.940 So I'm analyzing gray.

00:59:20.000 I think he's legit.

00:59:21.060 I also, he went deep on this area of Tennessee and all the occult weird stuff that goes on.

00:59:26.500 And I had people write me, Hey, I live in that city.

00:59:29.440 He's not bullshitting.

00:59:30.880 He got everything right.

00:59:32.080 And got details, right.

00:59:33.120 That I don't even know.

00:59:33.960 I've been here my whole life.

00:59:34.940 So there's a lot of reasons why I think gray is legit, but he went deep on the gate program,

00:59:40.820 the gifted and talented program that used to come through.

00:59:45.020 I think all of our schools, it definitely came.

00:59:46.960 I went to a private school, private Catholic school.

00:59:49.480 They still came through.

00:59:50.920 I remember various types of testing.

00:59:53.940 Now that I'm a parent, I'm like, hold on a second.

00:59:56.980 I want to know what is, if there's testing going on from some third party that I don't,

01:00:02.480 I don't know who they are at the school.

01:00:04.540 I think I should know about this.

01:00:06.280 I don't know if my parents ever did know about it.

01:00:08.420 Didn't really come up, but they definitely came through, tested a bunch of kids.

01:00:12.780 No kid ever left the school, but now, cause they never planned for the internet to be

01:00:19.440 a thing.

01:00:19.980 Now you have a lot of adults that are getting together.

01:00:22.520 You can go to Reddit and there's like a gate program subreddit.

01:00:25.840 And people are like, I know I was in the gifted program.

01:00:30.300 I know they took me to these special classes, but I don't remember anything.

01:00:33.800 I don't remember anything that happened there.

01:00:35.580 And this is very common.

01:00:37.160 Thousands of kids, thousands of now adults don't remember what happened in these programs

01:00:42.300 as kids.

01:00:43.080 There's talk about a pink liquid they were told to take.

01:00:46.560 Now you're telling my kid to drink something that, you know, I don't even know what's in

01:00:51.620 there.

01:00:52.000 It doesn't have a color that seems natural.

01:00:54.320 I got problems.

01:00:55.480 You know, my parents are paying not even good money.

01:00:57.640 I went to like the poor private Catholic school, but you know, the, the low rent one in Festus,

01:01:03.080 Missouri, St.

01:01:04.220 Pius.

01:01:05.120 And still you're paying thousands of dollars.

01:01:08.640 What to have your kid be a Guinea pig for some other program. 0.78

01:01:12.300 Like what the hell?

01:01:13.940 Well, I think that stuff's real.

01:01:15.560 Like just tying it all together.

01:01:17.820 I think that programs went through schools trying to find kids who are gifted, maybe

01:01:23.860 had a telepathic ability, maybe had a higher resonance with the morphic field to use a Rupert

01:01:29.900 Sheldrake term.

01:01:30.760 I think they're all just, you know, parts of the elephant.

01:01:33.380 We're all talking about the same thing with a bunch of different terms, but they were looking

01:01:37.420 for people.

01:01:37.960 They were looking for kids and maybe it ties into trying to get kids to communicate with

01:01:43.200 the aliens slash demons, which is exactly what stranger things is about.

01:01:47.640 It's about a scientist.

01:01:48.760 Who's like, I know there's an intelligence over here.

01:01:51.980 I can't talk to it.

01:01:53.300 I'm going to talk to it through you and I'm going to engineer kids and manipulate kids 0.61

01:01:58.100 to form the best communication with this thing.

01:02:00.960 And the kid's like, you can't fucking communicate with that thing.

01:02:04.180 That's a goddamn demon. 0.96

01:02:05.560 You don't understand.

01:02:06.240 There's no language here.

01:02:07.680 It's not going to tell us about its life in this other realm.

01:02:11.140 It's trying to eat me, trying to dissect me and, uh, you know, suck on my bones and

01:02:16.940 weird shit. 0.59

01:02:17.460 See, Greg, that's not the truth though.

01:02:19.580 If you, if you look into it, cause there are these people, we just talked to fringe.

01:02:22.980 Uh, she is an alien abductee victim her entire life.

01:02:26.280 Interestingly enough, when we asked her if she was part of the Gates program, she said

01:02:28.880 no, but her sister was, uh, when she was a kid and she gets a message from this other

01:02:33.980 side and many people get a lot of messages from the other side.

01:02:36.900 Um, you know, the, the nine, the council of nine that you talked about earlier.

01:02:40.820 I don't remember if that was off air or at the beginning of the show, but, uh, even

01:02:44.260 these kids from the telepathy tapes, and I'm not going to beat around the

01:02:47.280 bush for the audience's sake, but they come away with the same message despite

01:02:50.880 whatever entity they're engaging with or whatever perceived entity.

01:02:53.720 Is it an alien gray?

01:02:54.660 Is it a council of nine?

01:02:56.280 Is it, you know, it's just some sort of friendly spirit that's communicating with

01:02:59.240 nonverbal autistic children.

01:03:00.900 And that message is, um, not that they want to eat us.

01:03:04.340 That's fictional.

01:03:05.400 All right.

01:03:05.700 That's stranger things.

01:03:06.860 Yeah.

01:03:06.960 They're all space brothers and a cataclysm's coming and they just want us to be 1.00

01:03:11.120 better stewards of our environment and each other.

01:03:13.580 That's all.

01:03:14.280 Every single time.

01:03:14.860 And that's reasonable.

01:03:15.360 That's nice.

01:03:15.780 Actually.

01:03:16.140 I thought that was a nice thing.

01:03:17.280 And maybe that's beyond our grasp, but maybe we need to listen to these people.

01:03:20.580 And that's a, that's what starts to put like, well, it didn't start to put this

01:03:24.700 together for us, but Puharich came on our scene with that narrative.

01:03:28.480 The nine.

01:03:29.000 It was like, oh, this guy's just channeling the ancient Ennead.

01:03:31.280 It's like, that's pretty cool.

01:03:32.140 Let's look into this dude.

01:03:33.200 And it turns out he's doing, you know, dental tooth implants.

01:03:35.700 And it turns out he's just a spook on the highest level, traveling the world,

01:03:39.160 finding people like Uri Geller and, you know, the doctor of the rusty knife and shit

01:03:43.380 like this.

01:03:43.640 So I was like, wait a second.

01:03:44.440 And so we did an entire, uh, like a, just a deep dive on him and we're trying to figure

01:03:49.620 out who he is.

01:03:50.300 And it turns out he comes from Edgewood Arsenal where they're doing military testing, uh,

01:03:54.520 like chemical military testing with psych, uh, you know, psychoactive drugs and different

01:03:58.980 poisons.

01:03:59.420 You name it.

01:04:00.060 Probably shit that we don't even know about.

01:04:02.120 So, uh, he, he comes up in the telepathy tapes as well.

01:04:05.680 But briefly, just like as like a, an aside, like also a doctor was working on invention.

01:04:10.680 Very interesting.

01:04:11.380 His name was Puharich.

01:04:12.940 And I was like, wait a second, what the fuck?

01:04:14.600 Like, so no, no, no.

01:04:15.540 You don't just know that and drop that in this overly produced podcast show.

01:04:21.680 That is part of what makes it suspicious.

01:04:23.920 Yeah.

01:04:24.200 That's bullshit.

01:04:25.200 They, they know what's up.

01:04:26.360 They, but they kind of have to tell you, it's like, they're giving you this idea of

01:04:29.760 consent where they're, they're letting you know, like, yeah, something's going on here.

01:04:33.120 And so I, not to cut, do you remember Coney, Coney, 2012, Coney, 2012?

01:04:40.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:40.780 Coney, 2012 was, uh, that had something to do with, um, some, uh, some black dude from

01:04:46.840 like Africa. 0.51

01:04:47.540 Am I, am I, yeah, yeah, no, you're right.

01:04:49.440 And I'm not even trying to get into what that material was, but it's just the way a

01:04:53.120 package is made and presented to the internet.

01:04:55.620 And it like takes off and goes viral and then goes away or whatever.

01:04:59.820 But the telepathy tapes, the packaging of it, the production value, it reminded me of

01:05:06.540 Coney, 2012.

01:05:07.760 And when I saw that, I was, oh shit, I must've done some kind of, I hate these fucking AI 0.60

01:05:12.400 camera because if you do certain hand motions, it.

01:05:15.400 I was going to say like, every time you move, it moves with you.

01:05:18.100 I thought you were doing it with your feet or something.

01:05:20.220 Yeah.

01:05:20.400 That's a, it's not cool.

01:05:22.140 Greg, you were cooking, you were cooking in the AI knew you were the demon in the, in

01:05:30.600 the webcam is trying to, is this the guy you're talking about?

01:05:33.640 So, so I forgot all about this.

01:05:35.420 This was like, there was, um, a sort of a movement behind this.

01:05:38.600 This had the feeling of, uh, it was a side up, but it had the vibe of like the black eyed

01:05:45.680 peas.

01:05:46.100 Where is the love?

01:05:47.140 Remember that video?

01:05:48.360 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:50.240 Exactly.

01:05:50.600 But that's not, it's like you put bin Laden, Hitler, and Coney all together. 0.95

01:05:55.800 But it did start a bunch of people protesting.

01:05:58.440 And then what's really crazy, that guy who made the documentary, I stopped using my hands.

01:06:04.060 Uh, the guy who made the documentary lived in San Diego about a few blocks from where

01:06:08.840 I lived.

01:06:09.960 And he was found in the street, like naked, shouting, stopping traffic, throwing stuff around.

01:06:17.440 And to me, it was just like, of course, because he is a asset to an intelligence network who

01:06:24.080 has now served his purpose.

01:06:25.820 And now they're scrambling his brain and he's probably going to get locked up.

01:06:29.800 So he doesn't talk about what happened.

01:06:31.860 What, uh, you want to talk about memory hold?

01:06:33.720 That's a memory hold.

01:06:34.740 And I didn't even mean to, to, to get us all distracted, but it's just like the, the package

01:06:41.300 reminded me of that.

01:06:42.600 And, and it's not organic, you know, it's not something that just is, is made by people

01:06:48.700 like us who put something out.

01:06:50.380 So the telepathy tapes just seem a little weird, but yes, mentioning Andrea Pujaric in

01:06:58.580 there is, uh, well, it's not only that it's a little weird.

01:07:02.240 It's, it's presented by Joe Rogan in a big way.

01:07:05.720 It takes over his number one spot.

01:07:07.440 Um, and then, yeah, yeah.

01:07:09.760 It comes number one in the world.

01:07:11.120 Yeah.

01:07:12.460 And it's not even a good podcast.

01:07:13.860 In my opinion, I was like, I was listening to it and I was like, this is what people want?

01:07:16.720 Cause this is dog shit.

01:07:17.600 Like somebody talking and then Kai Dickens is cut.

01:07:21.740 Clearly she's speaking it now into a SM seven B in her office.

01:07:25.380 And she goes, well, what did you think when your son did this?

01:07:28.320 And it, it cuts back to like the interview where she was actually talking to her, but

01:07:32.520 like, you can tell, like, I'm like, why it's such overproduction.

01:07:35.720 It's not even good overproduction.

01:07:37.160 The music is whatever.

01:07:39.060 I don't understand really the appeal to this besides, um, obviously it's a great story,

01:07:45.240 but the production is garbage.

01:07:47.680 In my opinion, I don't, I just don't understand, uh, why it even took off the way it is, or if

01:07:53.600 that's what people want, but that's an aside.

01:07:55.200 I actually nailed why it took off.

01:07:56.900 In my opinion, you know, there's no way to prove this, but I think basically what happened

01:08:00.560 cause Greg, we're talking about like, why suddenly now does anybody give a shit when 0.83

01:08:04.060 this research has been happening for all of time?

01:08:07.140 Or what purpose does it serve?

01:08:08.520 Like obviously an intention went into putting a package together, launching it on the internet,

01:08:13.700 making it popular.

01:08:14.880 What is the agenda?

01:08:15.760 There's something ulterior motive behind this.

01:08:18.200 I think it's, it's twofold.

01:08:19.860 So number one is that messaging.

01:08:21.960 So they do want people to communicate with these entities.

01:08:25.280 They do want that message of like this coming climate catastrophe.

01:08:28.680 And, um, but the point is that message has been, you know, being espoused for a long time,

01:08:34.420 anytime somebody gets into contact with these entities.

01:08:36.540 And so I think honestly, what it took was, you know, you have the ultimate victim class,

01:08:41.980 nobody on earth.

01:08:42.700 It doesn't matter what your, you'd be racist, homophobic, this and that you will all, everybody

01:08:46.700 has empathy for these poor children, right?

01:08:48.660 Because it's a horrifying thing that they're subjected to and they can't talk.

01:08:52.100 So basically what happens is when they suddenly can talk, everybody will shut the hell up

01:08:56.320 and listen.

01:08:57.040 And I think that was kind of the point is you tell the entire world that these, these poor

01:09:01.380 individuals can't speak.

01:09:02.760 They're prisoners in their own body and, and we don't know how to help them and nobody

01:09:06.360 comes up with a solution.

01:09:07.160 And then one day they communicate and this is what they communicate.

01:09:10.120 Um, so I think it's, it's, it's a matter of getting the right mouthpiece to finally get

01:09:15.860 this message across and I've been talking about how Elon Musk, he wants to go to Mars.

01:09:20.120 There's a video on the internet.

01:09:21.380 The message though, the message is partially what they want to do, but I feel like there's

01:09:27.360 an underlying message and that one, it's a little crazy, but I think it, I think they're

01:09:32.480 telling us that they have completed project MK ultra, right?

01:09:37.100 They have figured out what they needed to figure out.

01:09:40.000 And this idea of the gate program where they're going school to school and they're looking for

01:09:43.500 students, I think that they just rolled out a vaccine schedule and blanketed all of America

01:09:48.840 with it.

01:09:49.680 And now they figured out exactly what they want to do to people.

01:09:52.760 They've created the conditions to keep kids trapped inside of their body in order to

01:09:57.540 communicate telepathically with whatever.

01:10:00.740 And, you know, some of these kids.

01:10:01.420 Do you know what's funny about the gate program too?

01:10:02.700 What do they always have you do?

01:10:03.680 They're like, can you hear this frequency?

01:10:05.360 Yeah.

01:10:05.860 Can you hear that frequency?

01:10:07.340 Yeah.

01:10:07.860 You know what I mean?

01:10:08.380 Like everything is about frequencies and you're going to receive them.

01:10:11.100 Cause I was deaf in one ear.

01:10:12.540 So, you know, it was a big part of that.

01:10:15.140 That is how my, that is how my, well, cause I remember like, you know, when you're little,

01:10:19.260 you have just some memories of some things and they're so random.

01:10:22.780 I do remember being in that office and her being like, do you have a hearing problem? 0.86

01:10:28.120 Do you, are you aware of a hearing problem?

01:10:30.420 And I'm like, well, yeah, but I was so young.

01:10:33.200 It's like, I didn't, I didn't even know what you were going to do.

01:10:35.360 And then I definitely didn't tell you before it started.

01:10:37.740 I don't hear anything in the right ear, but she was like, did I just discover this kid's

01:10:42.280 half deaf?

01:10:42.800 And it's like, no, obviously know that.

01:10:45.920 Did you read the paperwork?

01:10:47.860 But so I don't know if you guys are aware of Schwab Schwab.

01:10:51.960 He's pretty popular, but you know, the internet's a big place and he is, he's got a big thing

01:10:57.540 on Twitter and then he has a sub stack and his sub stack.

01:11:00.260 He writes these amazing articles that I just love the language he uses, the subject matter

01:11:05.800 he covers.

01:11:06.500 I've interviewed him now three or four times.

01:11:09.480 And in one of his most recent ones, I hesitate to bring it up because I don't want to, it's

01:11:15.980 so lengthy.

01:11:16.740 I don't want to end up reading something that's super, super long, but he makes some good points

01:11:22.440 about exactly what we're talking about.

01:11:23.760 This aspect of people who have encounters where the encounter ends up with a message.

01:11:30.140 And the message is always the same.

01:11:32.320 Like we're space brothers and you know, the world's they're usually shown a disaster scenario

01:11:38.940 and apocalyptic scenario.

01:11:40.180 So let me just read you a little bit of this and we'll see how it goes.

01:11:43.280 But Schwab says, and you can go to schwabstack.substack.com for all of his work, but this is a post

01:11:49.920 called Lulecker land and the goblin market.

01:11:53.580 But so in 2015, during his Christmas vacation, Charlie Hewitt was at home alone watching TV

01:12:00.560 when around 2am, he suddenly felt compelled to look outside.

01:12:04.000 Check that box.

01:12:04.800 That's common.

01:12:05.660 He got up and peered through the blinds, flying, finding a police car sitting in complete

01:12:09.680 silence outside his house.

01:12:11.600 Once again, he experienced a strange impulse now telling him to go outside and investigate

01:12:15.720 as he approached the vehicle.

01:12:17.300 He began to feel anxious then as if crossing an invisible boundary, he suddenly felt half

01:12:22.620 awake.

01:12:23.600 Twilight space also common as if in a bizarre dreamlike world later comparing the experience

01:12:29.120 to a virtual reality, like in the matrix, Charlie now noticed that both officers were staring

01:12:33.700 at him with identical uncanny grins.

01:12:36.040 Also common, a really weird smile, an insane smile, like crazy and dangerous.

01:12:39.980 He says, suddenly the police car blurred and was replaced by a floating egg shaped object.

01:12:45.960 Charlie.

01:12:46.860 Okay, stop.

01:12:47.840 Okay, stop.

01:12:48.960 Oh shit, dude.

01:12:50.320 This is crazy.

01:12:51.460 Yeah, we got it.

01:12:52.380 We have to talk with this guy floating.

01:12:54.140 So we, I mean, David's obsessed with the egg.

01:12:56.720 Right.

01:12:57.320 So that's not a big, I mean, it is a big part of recent disclosure movement stuff, but let

01:13:02.220 me get to this part that I think you're going to really like.

01:13:04.920 Charlie tried to escape, but from his perspective, time seemed to slow until he could no longer

01:13:09.220 move.

01:13:09.600 Check that box.

01:13:10.380 Then everything went dark and he was transported to a field behind his house where the officers

01:13:15.220 had now transformed into the real men in black stereotype.

01:13:19.540 These beings of pure media abducted him onto a hovering craft where he found himself in surgical

01:13:25.140 scrubs.

01:13:25.840 Check shackled to a bed.

01:13:27.160 Check three small hairless figures with black eyes into the room.

01:13:30.720 Check one of the goblins.

01:13:33.000 Schwab calls them goblins.

01:13:34.320 Touch Charlie inducing a vision of earth post world war.

01:13:39.220 Three, a planet in ruins with zero human survivors, complete extinction.

01:13:43.820 Another vision followed earth millennia later, reclaimed by nature with only wildlife thriving.

01:13:49.760 Charlie interpreted this as the alien suggestion, suggesting humans had failed and it was time

01:13:55.260 for other species to dominate.

01:13:57.080 Even humankind's former pets enjoyed the new Arcadia.

01:14:00.560 He sensed that while this was tragic for humanity, it signified a relief for other life forms on

01:14:06.500 earth.

01:14:06.920 Disturbingly, Charlie was left harboring the sentiment that the earth without humans wouldn't

01:14:11.080 be so bad.

01:14:12.280 Very common story.

01:14:14.460 Check, check, check.

01:14:15.600 So then Schwab goes on to kind of unpack this story and he says the visions, the space goblins

01:14:24.000 offer Charlie are entertaining, but the math doesn't add up.

01:14:27.320 The creatures seem unaware that the earth's surface area is vast.

01:14:31.080 Most of it would be unaffected by nuclear exchange and the long term effects of radiation have

01:14:36.480 been grossly exaggerated.

01:14:38.080 I'm sure you've been down that rabbit hole.

01:14:40.200 You know, he's just pointing that out.

01:14:42.080 It might be new to some people, but he says the only potential human extinction scenario

01:14:46.460 relies on the nuclear winner model based fraud.

01:14:50.060 You know, this is a computer model again, like COVID.

01:14:52.380 It's going to kill everyone, destroy everything.

01:14:54.020 They did this with nukes too.

01:14:55.480 They said the nuclear winner, everything will be destroyed.

01:14:57.860 And that's now largely been debunked.

01:15:00.360 So why are the aliens not aware?

01:15:02.060 You know, the person that's putting this into his head, why are they carrying water for the

01:15:07.360 military industrial complex?

01:15:08.780 Because this is a fraudulent scenario.

01:15:11.360 So he goes on to say, and any nuclear scenario where human pets have survived, their masters

01:15:16.660 would have also survived.

01:15:17.940 So the logic doesn't check out there.

01:15:19.820 The sci-fi fantasy film these kidnappers featured was targeted at a low information audience, probably

01:15:25.460 custom made for Charlie himself.

01:15:27.100 Apparently, they traveled light years to deliver middling eco-communist anti-human propaganda.

01:15:33.960 But it worked.

01:15:34.960 Charlie changed his identity.

01:15:37.120 And he, you know, he basically equates this to MKUltra.

01:15:41.080 And then he goes on to say, you know, why would they do this?

01:15:45.500 Why would masters of time and space use methods achievable by a well-funded intelligence agency

01:15:50.980 or the Walt Disney Company?

01:15:52.380 The answer, because it works.

01:15:54.380 It's the same way everyone knows that synthetic images of celebrities aren't real, but remain

01:15:58.880 entertained.

01:15:59.660 And then they will defend their immersion in the spectacle.

01:16:03.280 So he has this, you know, it's many, many pages long.

01:16:06.480 But he basically says, the template is always the same.

01:16:11.560 You feel compelled.

01:16:13.080 You know, you're being manipulated from that point.

01:16:15.060 You're taken to a spot.

01:16:16.220 And then you're put into like a false reality around you.

01:16:19.480 A simulation bubble of some kind.

01:16:21.540 It was taken to a field behind his house.

01:16:23.680 Everything shifts.

01:16:25.280 You're in a trance-like state.

01:16:26.960 This is MKUltra programming, but you never see a human being involved.

01:16:33.140 I mean, in this case, you did.

01:16:34.340 It was the guys in the car who were in a police car.

01:16:37.720 Well, a police car and an intelligence CIA car can look pretty similar if you don't know

01:16:43.320 what you're trying to look for.

01:16:45.780 You know, did he say they were in like classic cap and uniforms with a little star?

01:16:51.220 He didn't necessarily say that.

01:16:52.620 They looked like cops to him.

01:16:53.760 But what kind of cops?

01:16:54.700 You know, the devil's in the details.

01:16:56.540 But I just think Schwab is really picking up on something that is super important.

01:17:01.860 That whether these entities are separate or not, the techniques for getting a person to

01:17:08.560 alter their entire worldview the way you want them to are similar.

01:17:13.080 And, you know, that's, I guess, all I got.

01:17:16.900 But I find that pretty interesting, don't you?

01:17:19.280 It's massively interesting because of that through line, that pattern, right?

01:17:23.320 When you're saying check, check, check, I agree with every single one of those check

01:17:26.440 marks.

01:17:26.700 We were talking to Fringe, like I said, alien abductee victim, and she starts talking about

01:17:31.780 basically the same thing.

01:17:33.100 And I'm made aware, I guess, much to my dismay that I also seem to have been abducted as

01:17:38.520 a child.

01:17:39.100 I have those dreams where I'm in paralysis.

01:17:41.560 There's shadows.

01:17:42.260 There's inexplicably bright white light.

01:17:44.160 I'm I wake up in a different position.

01:17:46.300 I'm no longer where I was, where I was laying before.

01:17:48.500 And my grandmother was an abductee victim.

01:17:50.600 And my mother has all these weird things. 1.00

01:17:52.320 But what's interesting about that is I have those experiences.

01:17:55.720 And ever since childhood, I am gripped by the idea of the apocalypse, gripped by it.

01:18:01.180 I'm plagued with dreams of giant tidal waves and events where there's no power and everybody's

01:18:06.660 out in the streets.

01:18:07.320 And it's just kind of like post-apocalyptic survival mode.

01:18:10.000 I'm also plagued by these dreams of being locked down sort of martial law style inside

01:18:15.140 of a school where it's I'm under guard, like military guard or whatever.

01:18:19.520 And I don't know how much of that is like dreams and things that were given to me or if they're

01:18:23.860 actual experiences where I'm abducted.

01:18:25.640 I don't really know.

01:18:26.420 But I recognize that those themes like check, check, check, they're all the same thing.

01:18:30.580 And what Fringe ends up letting slip is they didn't hit her with the nuclear thing, although

01:18:35.960 that is a discussion that comes up a lot.

01:18:37.800 It's this mutually assured destruction via nuclear war.

01:18:40.220 There's another one, though.

01:18:41.100 And the other one is the pole shift.

01:18:42.860 And I think that one goes to like a slightly, I don't know, smarter audience.

01:18:49.320 You know what I mean?

01:18:49.740 If they're trying to tailor this deception to you, because the polar shift is a little

01:18:54.400 bit harder to dismiss because it's like it's at the edge of scientific discovery that's

01:19:01.680 only coming around now.

01:19:02.580 You have like Randall Carlson doing his ancient apocalypse thing.

01:19:05.560 And, you know, there's been multiple calamities throughout history where it's, you know, either

01:19:10.800 a big flood one or asteroid impact or yada yada and then potentially a pole shift.

01:19:15.980 And what I found recently that's really fun, Greg, is that Elon Musk is sat down in this

01:19:21.280 interview with some podcasters that just don't really know what he's saying or what they're

01:19:25.500 asking.

01:19:25.860 It's going over their heads.

01:19:26.840 But he's talking about his concern for the future of the planet, ice ages, you know,

01:19:31.840 superheated stages that come and go and giant calamities.

01:19:35.240 But in particular, like polar shifts, he's like the, you know, the magnetic poles have

01:19:39.060 shifted before.

01:19:40.260 And he says, you know, that that sort of thing could happen again and that we'd have to be

01:19:44.720 even further than like the moon.

01:19:46.120 We'd have to be at Mars to be able to avoid such a thing.

01:19:48.740 So now you find out that the the genesis for his wanting to go to Mars, besides Warner

01:19:52.940 Von Braun telling him to do it, was that he is worried about some sort of pole shift.

01:19:58.380 Now, I don't know if that's actually true, if he's actually worried about that.

01:20:00.600 But that video is out there and it exists.

01:20:02.460 So everybody's favorite autist is worried about a pole shift. 1.00

01:20:05.460 And he also wants to put tech in your brain that he just trademarked the words telepathy

01:20:08.980 and telekinesis for.

01:20:10.080 So there's like this really fucking weird through line where it's actually not weird at all.

01:20:15.540 You see it for what it is.

01:20:17.020 There is there is an effort here.

01:20:18.800 They want us to believe that something is coming.

01:20:21.520 And and then I'm only left to kind of speculate as to is something coming or is that entirely

01:20:26.880 a deception?

01:20:27.760 You know, because this is a Christian show in very many ways.

01:20:31.260 We look at things through the biblical lens.

01:20:32.900 Right.

01:20:33.060 And if we are at that point in, let's say, Revelation and the little season, people aren't

01:20:37.360 correct and we are about to go to the tribulation.

01:20:39.460 Well, then are the series of cataclysmic events that we might be subjected to in the near

01:20:44.280 future actually the tribulation?

01:20:45.940 And are they trying to avoid it or is none of that happening at all?

01:20:50.380 And this is an alarmist thing, a Hegelian dialectic where you present a fictional problem

01:20:56.540 and then you offer up the solution and then you even butter us up and you say, hey, and

01:21:00.220 afterwards, if you can dodge it, you can ascend and take your place among the, you know,

01:21:03.800 the Galactic Federation is pretty.

01:21:05.000 Yeah, I think a ladder kind of because, I mean, you know, no secret to anyone who listens

01:21:10.160 to me.

01:21:10.440 I am not a Christian.

01:21:11.380 I get into arguments with Christians all the time. 1.00

01:21:14.160 I wouldn't even say arguments.

01:21:15.440 I'm you know, I just am staking my ground and finding the common ground, but also saying,

01:21:21.860 you know, I'm not going to take that label on.

01:21:23.800 And, and a lot of the audience who is Christian, they are, they cannot handle this. 1.00

01:21:29.260 And I get tons of messages that I've listened to you for years.

01:21:32.120 And then you said something anti-Christian and I had to cancel.

01:21:34.720 And it's like, okay, well look, and they say, I hate Christians.

01:21:38.180 I do not.

01:21:39.440 I grew up in Missouri, my friends, my family, they're all Christians.

01:21:44.040 What are you going to do?

01:21:45.220 You know, I find common ground with them and we ignore the rest.

01:21:48.220 I'm a conspiracy guy.

01:21:49.360 They're not.

01:21:50.200 Yeah.

01:21:50.340 Just so you have that, that view.

01:21:51.960 I was a conspiracy guy from, and the audience is about to roll their eyes from like 16 years

01:21:57.680 old till now I'm, I'm, I'm 34 years old.

01:22:00.160 Uh, and I've only been a Christian in any meaningful sense for like three to four years, but everything

01:22:05.860 before that was just tenacious conspiracy theory.

01:22:08.320 Then I had some really outlandish experience with, with a demon that I saw, my wife saw

01:22:13.240 and my son saw, and that just forever changed my trajectory.

01:22:15.460 But so all my foundation is that.

01:22:18.160 So that's interesting.

01:22:18.780 So yes, there's a huge overlap.

01:22:21.020 I've interviewed dozens and dozens of people that are like, I wasn't Christian demon thing

01:22:26.200 happened.

01:22:26.960 Now I'm Christian.

01:22:28.540 Okay.

01:22:29.300 Well, I kind of put that in the same box as the apocalyptic message.

01:22:34.340 Like I, I, I put it in the box of person changes worldview because of demonic experience.

01:22:41.800 And I haven't had an experience like that, but I find that to be not necessarily the move.

01:22:47.920 So I definitely am more spiritual than I've ever been before, but you can find indigenous

01:22:53.740 cultures isolated all over this Island earth and they routinely have contact experiences

01:23:00.320 through shamanism.

01:23:02.160 They're not Christian, right? 1.00

01:23:04.000 Like we're having the same experiences through DMT.

01:23:06.200 Right.

01:23:07.160 So to me, it's odd that so many people go down the rabbit hole.

01:23:13.180 They look at what the elite are doing, what motivates the elite.

01:23:16.360 Perhaps they're like the elite are satanic.

01:23:18.400 They're Luciferian.

01:23:19.800 Therefore I'm good.

01:23:21.180 I'm Christian now.

01:23:22.480 And, uh, I just find it strange.

01:23:24.940 Another thing that Schwab would talk about is that for poltergeist activity and a lot of

01:23:31.580 these instances, you have to invite them in, in a sense, and there's something about consciousness

01:23:38.680 that seems sacred because even though it feels like a physical experience, I think what's

01:23:42.700 really happening is on a level of consciousness.

01:23:44.980 And I think you probably have control over your own consciousness.

01:23:48.020 And another thing that happens is people invoke the name of Jesus and the aliens go away.

01:23:52.580 So then they say, well, clearly they're not aliens.

01:23:56.260 They're demons because only demons would respond to the name of Jesus.

01:23:59.480 And Jesus must be real because why would his name work?

01:24:03.660 I think that it's more of a vibe.

01:24:06.140 Like who cares what words you're using in English?

01:24:09.540 You know, you're basically now having a conscious to consciousness communication.

01:24:13.900 They can pick up on vibes of fear and they do.

01:24:17.200 They can pick up on vibes of, uh, of hostility of like, you're not welcome here.

01:24:23.300 And to me, just invoking Jesus's name is basically saying you're not welcome here.

01:24:29.140 And I wonder if all those people who invoke Jesus's name were to just say those words,

01:24:35.740 if the same thing would happen, I suggest that it would, because I just don't, I can't

01:24:41.180 go with the Christian lens because the world is too big and there's too many other people 1.00

01:24:45.340 in the world who know nothing about Christianity because they dodged the, you know, the inquisition

01:24:50.740 and the expansion of it and the burning at the stake and all that.

01:24:53.940 So there's people out there that are having very, very similar experiences.

01:24:57.160 There are other worldly beings.

01:24:58.640 I'm not doubting that, but I just think it's just with Christianity, you know, they kind

01:25:04.620 of like Jewish people.

01:25:05.540 They constantly say they're being persecuted.

01:25:07.620 It's like, there's a goddamn Bible in every hotel room in this country.

01:25:11.580 Churches don't pay taxes.

01:25:13.060 Why?

01:25:13.480 Maybe because they're useful to the government in some form or fashion.

01:25:17.760 Yeah.

01:25:17.860 I think you're conflating Christianity and the church.

01:25:23.260 With the church.

01:25:23.820 I understand that.

01:25:25.320 I often find myself guilty.

01:25:27.300 When we say that, like, we're a Christian, in the conventional sense, no.

01:25:33.020 So, like most people that are in the Christian realm in the podcast area, don't fuck with 0.98

01:25:41.100 us because I do, I do comedy, I cross a line and they're like, that's not Christian. 1.00

01:25:47.400 And I say, well, I, I just simply disagree.

01:25:50.340 For me, it's having it like understanding or at least trying to understand whatever God

01:25:55.600 is.

01:25:56.040 I believe that there are many gods.

01:25:58.020 I think that you're a hundred percent right throughout culture.

01:26:00.140 Yeah.

01:26:00.400 People have gone through psychedelic trips and maybe not even psychedelic trips, but they've

01:26:03.880 had, they've had experiences with these entities that have come down and helped their society

01:26:08.980 in this way or that way.

01:26:10.360 Sure.

01:26:11.360 The Bible also talks about that.

01:26:12.900 I mean, there's, there's many gods and they're, they're angels.

01:26:16.500 Sorry.

01:26:16.980 I would say, and it doesn't even really matter.

01:26:19.040 I don't want to get into a big debate here, but Christians, conventional Christians would

01:26:24.400 say you're stretching the definition of a Christian beyond what it actually is.

01:26:28.480 So why not just abandon the term and say you're spiritual?

01:26:31.860 Like I say, I'm spiritual.

01:26:33.240 I believe in a spiritual paradigm, but I believe that the actual experiences of indigenous shaman

01:26:38.920 and the vast complex cosmology that they have derived from their personal experience is

01:26:45.680 just as valid.

01:26:47.340 If not more so, because it's like a less of a game of telephone and less connected to the

01:26:51.980 history of power in this world.

01:26:54.640 It's less, it's more unadulterated.

01:26:56.540 I would say, I just put it all in the same box.

01:26:59.020 I don't, I don't elevate Christianity above the indigenous shaman in Peru.

01:27:02.880 I just say, huh, those are interesting cosmologies that we have all across this world, fold it all

01:27:08.120 in together and say, yeah, there's a spiritual dimension.

01:27:12.900 There are entities there that seem to hate the creator.

01:27:15.240 They seem to hate us.

01:27:16.540 They probably are in league with our elite trying to manipulate things.

01:27:20.020 But to say that the elite are Satanists, I think that's too narrow of a lens and being

01:27:26.820 a show called Nephilim death squad.

01:27:28.580 Yeah.

01:27:28.740 I mean, you got to Chris Knowles.

01:27:30.360 His big thing is watch your worship.

01:27:32.160 He's like, look at all the award shows and all the things people interpret as Satanism.

01:27:37.900 There's, they're often parading around giants, people with black wings.

01:27:42.600 They are not looking at the devil, you know, this little like the devil.

01:27:47.120 That's the idea.

01:27:47.760 It's a, it's a caricature, right?

01:27:49.220 If you're, if people are talking about the devil, it's been watered down.

01:27:52.580 It's like Satan means adversary.

01:27:54.160 It's more of a title, um, that is given to seemingly multiple spiritual entities throughout

01:27:59.620 the Bible.

01:28:00.260 Uh, I think it is not so much an issue with, um, the teachings of the Bible.

01:28:05.780 There is a lot of really fascinating and really important details in there.

01:28:09.680 It's a, it's a matter of the filter that it passes through.

01:28:12.400 So when you hear Satan or you hear of the devil, and then all of a sudden you start thinking

01:28:15.540 of like a guy with a pitchfork and a red suit, it's like that is antiquated and reductive

01:28:19.560 and not at all applicable to the conversation.

01:28:21.440 It seems that really there's, um, uh, there's a, a, a much more nuanced version of the entities

01:28:27.640 that inhabit the spiritual realm that we don't really have a grasp on, which is why we say

01:28:31.260 like these other pantheons that have existed throughout history, whether it's like the

01:28:35.320 Inead, right?

01:28:36.040 The nine that rule over Egypt, or if you're talking about the Greek pantheon, I don't think

01:28:40.120 that those things didn't exist.

01:28:41.680 I think they did and probably still do exist in some form, maybe not a physical one, uh,

01:28:46.100 but are kind of relegated to a realm that maybe you can thin the veil between, uh, this

01:28:50.160 one and that one, if you're using like psychedelics or binaural beats or some shit like that,

01:28:53.960 or astral projecting, you might be able to get somewhere close to where they actually

01:28:57.460 do reside.

01:28:58.540 Um, but I, I agree.

01:28:59.840 It's like there, there's an antiquated version of, of Christianity that most people espouse.

01:29:03.720 And that's not the one that we, uh, sort of towed around here.

01:29:07.500 I think we have a much more complex, uh, version of what the spiritual realm is and the experiences

01:29:14.740 that individuals have, whether it be shamans or otherwise, I think there is real veracity.

01:29:18.800 I think they are communicating with entities, but the only thing, the question, every time

01:29:23.240 you experience an entity is, did it tell you all of the truth or did it tell you most of

01:29:28.460 the truth and a fundamental lie?

01:29:30.020 And I think that's the thing that we see happening here quite a bit.

01:29:32.840 And so when you see the tropes of like the elites worshiping Satan, even that is kind of

01:29:37.400 like, you have Sam Smith, he comes out, he's, he's fat and gay and he's dressed like the 0.92

01:29:40.680 devil.

01:29:40.880 And it's like, that is a mockery.

01:29:44.060 Um, it's a, it's a red herring.

01:29:45.680 And you look at that and you go, he worships the devil, but in your mind, the devil is

01:29:49.360 once again, that guy with the, they worship more specific and I do think debauchery is

01:29:54.800 a real thing that they're trying to seed in culture.

01:29:58.200 I do agree with that.

01:29:59.860 Um, you know, inversion of everything.

01:30:03.120 Clearly there are things that they're trying to do, but I just think that that particular

01:30:06.500 box, I mean, Schwab himself is Christian.

01:30:08.860 There is a real resurgence that I've noticed of like a Christian nationalist, conservative

01:30:15.040 type of person.

01:30:18.680 Yeah.

01:30:19.180 Well, I mean, I'm just observing what is out there.

01:30:21.380 Yeah.

01:30:21.920 Um, but yeah, it's just, I, so what's his name?

01:30:27.760 Dr.

01:30:28.120 Jeff Kripal from rice university, professor of religion.

01:30:31.300 He writes a lot of great books.

01:30:33.300 He's written one, co-written one with Whitley Strieber called the super space natural.

01:30:38.600 Um, and you know, he's great.

01:30:40.980 When I interviewed him, he said that when he teaches his religion class, he tells everyone

01:30:46.460 cause he teaches at a master's level.

01:30:48.040 He says, you shouldn't be in this class until you've had at least two worldviews collapse.

01:30:54.680 And I fully believe that that is kind of why I get so, um, hung up maybe on the Christian 1.00

01:30:59.700 thing because I grew up Catholic denounced that it was like, I don't like this box.

01:31:04.360 There's a lot of problems with this when atheist, proud card, carrying atheist printed

01:31:09.160 t-shirts, like I was, I was kind of trolling everybody before that was even a word.

01:31:13.140 And then I went away from that.

01:31:15.480 And it's like, you know what?

01:31:16.560 Stop fucking associating yourself with these labels.

01:31:19.960 Stop this because you have a hunch.

01:31:22.160 Stop like going full hog into this thing and then using the label and making it part of

01:31:28.180 your identity identity.

01:31:29.560 And I could say the same about liberal and conservative.

01:31:32.100 Like I've been all over the map.

01:31:33.940 It kind of depends on what the system's doing really is like where the over to counterbalance

01:31:38.020 that shit.

01:31:38.880 Um, but yeah, it's just like, I have now had enough worldviews collapse that I, I can't,

01:31:44.280 I will not use a label because eventually maybe five years from now I will be like, yeah,

01:31:49.160 that was a mistake.

01:31:50.260 So when you have worldviews collapse, I think it's very useful.

01:31:54.660 Yeah.

01:31:55.640 And so, I don't know.

01:31:56.580 I adopted that attitude from Dr. Jeff Kripal.

01:31:59.720 I had that happen pretty early and then it kept me from adhering to anything for, for

01:32:04.800 a very long time.

01:32:06.220 Um, and I, I mean, I do see now that there is this sort of resurgence of Christianity and

01:32:12.740 it's like, it could take the form of Christian nationalism, but I think once again, we're finding

01:32:17.500 it doesn't necessarily line up with the things that we, uh, think are happening.

01:32:22.240 It's certainly, why is that concerning to you?

01:32:24.360 You said, you said it was, I heard you, right.

01:32:26.280 Because people will often use a thing, uh, as a, as a cudgel, they'll reduce it to a caricature

01:32:33.180 of what it actually is.

01:32:34.500 And then they'll use it as a tool to either get other people to bend the knee, or let's

01:32:39.260 say in this particular instance, we're all so sick and tired of the debaucherous, morally

01:32:43.480 debased, sexual, sexually deviant kind of culture.

01:32:46.760 That's on the rise here in the West, um, that people are there, they're clamoring for

01:32:51.900 it to be over.

01:32:52.560 They want a strong man to come in and, and, you know, wipe the slate clean.

01:32:55.920 And, you know, that's, what's given rise to like all the Hitler bros and the Nazis were 0.92

01:33:00.060 based.

01:33:00.500 And now I think it's, what's galvanizing people to the Trump administration and, you

01:33:04.780 know, for better or worse, it's yet to be seen, but I can see where it goes if it's

01:33:09.260 worse.

01:33:09.520 And that worse is like, now we're going to use the ultra conservative version of Christianity

01:33:16.300 kind of resurrected that we, that I personally reject.

01:33:20.340 I grew up in the church and I've been kicked out of the church for simply disagreeing for

01:33:26.800 calling out fraud and shit like that.

01:33:28.480 So the, the, the form of Christianity that will be picked up, I, I understand your distaste 0.99

01:33:33.340 and I, I completely get it.

01:33:34.940 I think it's a little bit misplaced because it's unfair.

01:33:37.160 Like it's unfair from the way I'm viewing it.

01:33:39.880 I'm viewing whatever I think this should, this was intended to be this, this idea of

01:33:45.240 Christianity.

01:33:45.620 And, and I'm not going to give up the label because fuck you.

01:33:48.100 Like just because you came along and you've perverted it for the last thousand years, like

01:33:53.740 I'm supposed to now fold and let you have, no, I'm, that's not my, in my personality.

01:33:57.680 It was never theirs to begin with.

01:33:59.280 What they will do though.

01:34:00.400 I'm guilty of the same with the conspiracy term.

01:34:02.320 Exactly.

01:34:02.960 I'm guilty of the same.

01:34:03.580 I hold onto it even though it was created by the CIA to make us look.

01:34:06.760 Yeah.

01:34:07.160 Well, what else do you want to call us?

01:34:08.360 You call us truthers.

01:34:09.280 That's very gay. 0.99

01:34:10.220 That's gay. 1.00

01:34:10.560 I do not like truth or very gay. 1.00

01:34:12.820 No, I'm, I'm lying most of the time.

01:34:14.700 So this doesn't apply.

01:34:16.400 But, uh, so this idea of Christianity, um, that, that is going to be picked up by the

01:34:21.200 right, this conservative movement.

01:34:23.040 It's almost like Wente's version of, of, yeah, we were, we were funneled there.

01:34:27.400 They had trannies on the white house lawn showing fake, their fake tits. 1.00

01:34:30.580 And they were, you know, trying to cut your kid's penis off. 0.74

01:34:33.340 And they're like, wait a second.

01:34:34.560 I got this idea.

01:34:35.900 That thing over there, the one that got us in the war, in the war with George W. Bush

01:34:40.040 in Iraq, we can pick that thing back up.

01:34:41.780 I'm like, no, I don't want to pick that thing back up.

01:34:43.400 It doesn't work.

01:34:44.420 It's obviously doesn't work.

01:34:45.840 This is like, it's the McDonald's of what churches are supposed to be.

01:34:49.900 It's a watered down version.

01:34:51.140 There's no spirituality.

01:34:52.200 There's no understanding of the supernatural.

01:34:53.940 The book, the Bible's riddled with it.

01:34:56.340 Read it, pick it up.

01:34:57.180 Look at it.

01:34:57.560 It tells you right there, but none of the pastors that you're going to, you're going to hear

01:35:01.020 preach on a Sunday are going to tell you that stuff.

01:35:03.000 So it's like, well, then what use are you?

01:35:04.700 I have zero understanding of what was even being, what was, what was trying to be taught

01:35:09.300 here in this message by these people thousands of years ago.

01:35:12.000 And now, like, like you mentioned, which I kind of agree, you could look to any shamanistic

01:35:16.640 practicer and you'd be like, there's a little bit more truth there.

01:35:18.940 This Jaguar headed lady just told me something that resonates more than what, what this person 1.00

01:35:24.000 in the church did.

01:35:25.140 It was like, yeah, because they're not there.

01:35:27.360 They have lost.

01:35:28.520 They've completely lost what this was supposed to be.

01:35:31.020 I think there's a lot of truth in it.

01:35:32.440 I think it needs, there should be a resurgence, but in a very specific way.

01:35:35.980 And that's how we look at it.

01:35:37.700 That potential resurgence is I recognize also that there's fertile ground for it right

01:35:41.980 now.

01:35:42.200 And I think that that fertile ground was manufactured.

01:35:44.980 So it's like a big pendulum swing that always happens back and forth, back and forth.

01:35:49.320 And we're clearly about to swing that pendulum back to the cultural and political right

01:35:53.500 in a big way.

01:35:54.200 But I would say it's by design.

01:35:55.720 It's like, you know, it makes it really hard.

01:35:57.160 I agree with the pendulum.

01:35:58.220 You know, it makes it really hard for that pendulum to work.

01:36:01.460 Letting go of the labels.

01:36:03.780 Yeah.

01:36:04.380 Oh, yeah, absolutely.

01:36:05.380 Which is why I agree with you on the terminology Christianity, because I actually brought this

01:36:09.560 up on a previous podcast.

01:36:10.600 It's like, I don't have very much in common with a, like if you put somebody in the evangelical 0.57

01:36:16.700 mega church and you pluck them out and you said, what do you have in common with this

01:36:19.800 person?

01:36:20.140 And it's like, you know, outside of the human experience, not very much actually.

01:36:24.100 And so if they call themselves Christian and I call myself Christian and those, but we're

01:36:28.860 completely different in so many ways, I don't see how, yeah, the label could be a hindrance

01:36:34.420 in very many ways.

01:36:35.680 And so, you know what I look at?

01:36:37.080 I look at, everybody does all these rituals, right?

01:36:39.440 You look at the elites and they're doing rituals.

01:36:40.860 What are they doing?

01:36:41.400 It's like, it's involving geometry.

01:36:42.940 It's involving energy.

01:36:43.960 It's involving resonance and frequency.

01:36:45.880 They're doing hums and mantras and there's a, there's a resonance aspect to it.

01:36:49.960 They're doing sacrifice, right?

01:36:51.680 And it seems that that is sort of the building blocks of this realm that we inhabit.

01:36:54.920 And that's the way that you can manipulate them, you know, for better or worse.

01:36:57.980 And then when I look at Jesus Christ and the, and the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, I recognize

01:37:02.340 that like on so many levels, it was the same thing, but more successful.

01:37:07.540 I've almost looked at it like a, like God built this realm.

01:37:11.600 He built this universe and these people became aware of the fundamental building blocks of

01:37:16.020 this universe and how to manipulate it.

01:37:17.720 But God just did it way better, way better.

01:37:20.220 And I think there are like negative spiritual entities that are pitted against us and that

01:37:24.060 in so many ways, Jesus Christ came to set that right.

01:37:27.220 So that, that probably would actually ruffle quite a lot of the feathers of, of modern day

01:37:31.820 Christians, you know, that, that find themselves in the church, at least.

01:37:34.700 So think about it like the original story that why we call ourselves Nephilim death squad,

01:37:39.000 it's like, all right, these angels are falling.

01:37:40.620 They come down, they mate with a human woman and they create these giants, the Nephilim. 0.99

01:37:45.140 It's a perversion.

01:37:46.280 If you kind of think about the story of Jesus, isn't that like a Nephilim, but the perfect 0.99

01:37:50.660 Nephilim, it's like God implanted his seed into a virgin, a woman. 0.98

01:37:54.900 Then that, that person was born sinless.

01:37:58.120 When we want to talk about child sacrifice being very pot, very powerful for these people.

01:38:02.300 Well, this person's sinless all the way to 33 years of age and then a sacrifice.

01:38:06.740 And this, like this blood ritual that takes place there, then creates this covenant.

01:38:12.040 It's like, you know, it's the same story everywhere.

01:38:13.820 It's just like, this story is the one that is done correctly.

01:38:17.960 In my opinion.

01:38:18.600 People will say it reductively like, oh, if God's all powerful and omnipotent, why doesn't

01:38:22.600 he do X, Y, and Z?

01:38:23.700 Why is he just intervene?

01:38:24.500 Why does he do this?

01:38:25.000 It's like, it seems that there are rules to this realm.

01:38:27.080 It seems that there are fundamental building blocks to this realm.

01:38:30.180 And if you're going to do it, you got to do it that way, which is why we still see the

01:38:33.740 proliferation of these, these rituals and ceremonies, you know, at scale, like the Super Bowl and

01:38:39.820 shit like that is because they are nudging and manipulating this reality.

01:38:43.800 And it's through things like that, symbolism and numerology.

01:38:46.560 And, you know, that's why Pythagoras was so obsessed with, there's, it's like he kind

01:38:51.000 of peaked the building blocks of this, this reality in very many ways, right?

01:38:54.440 If you kind of want to talk about the matrix, which I even think that that terminology is

01:38:58.900 too reductive for what we're experiencing, but either way that it's made up of like code

01:39:03.740 and things like that, right?

01:39:04.880 Like numerical code.

01:39:05.880 And then when you see like quantum physicists, things, they have discovered the numerical

01:39:09.020 code that makes up this reality.

01:39:10.540 And it's like, okay, yeah, because this reality is made up of numbers and geometry and all kinds

01:39:15.240 of things.

01:39:15.540 And that's what God used to create it.

01:39:17.080 And that's what you use to manipulate it.

01:39:20.540 Maybe.

01:39:20.900 Hey, I agree with like half.

01:39:25.220 It's like, I could cut around half that I agree with, but I just think like when it comes

01:39:28.780 to original sin or even Jesus, like we're making a lot, we're taking in a lot of assumptions

01:39:34.320 that are thousands of years old.

01:39:37.140 And we're just kind of assuming that it's true because of its legacy, because of its,

01:39:41.840 uh, however many other people thought it was true.

01:39:44.240 I just, I can't go there.

01:39:45.940 I, I, you know, you should check out, check it out.

01:39:50.500 If you want, but, uh, Caesar's Messiah is a great book written by Joe Atwell.

01:39:54.940 And he makes the case that back at this time, there were a lot of different Jewish sects

01:40:00.980 and they were all kind of rebellious against Rome.

01:40:04.360 And so the Roman Flavius empire wrote the new Testament, the story of Jesus to be like,

01:40:12.720 here's someone.

01:40:14.700 So the lessons of Jesus turned the other cheek and some of that stuff is great, but it 1.00

01:40:18.440 also serves empire.

01:40:19.700 You should be, you should be poor and nonviolent empire likes that.

01:40:24.080 And that that's a noble thing to be.

01:40:25.960 And if you stand up to us, what are we going to do?

01:40:28.020 We're going to fucking crucify our ass.

01:40:29.680 The most brutal death in the history of deaths.

01:40:34.260 You know, it's been drilled into our heads.

01:40:36.160 So hard as a kid, I'm going into this church, bloody guy on a cross.

01:40:40.120 Like this is to me, empire building.

01:40:43.640 This is the empire saying, here's a character we created.

01:40:47.040 And if you let this character, or if you act like this character, this will happen to you.

01:40:53.040 If you, if you try to challenge the empire, this will happen to you.

01:40:57.780 I mean, you know, that's just one perspective.

01:41:00.980 I, uh, I wasn't raised in the church.

01:41:02.620 I didn't have any, like, I didn't have any of that experience.

01:41:04.640 I didn't, I wasn't subjected to any of it.

01:41:06.480 Uh, I've probably been in the church enough times to count on one hand, but the thing

01:41:10.340 that really hooked me in, uh, was kind of the Michael Heiser, um, Gary Wayne narrative

01:41:15.840 of, of the Genesis six conspiracy, because I recognize that if it truly was about a genetic

01:41:21.120 lineage, right, there's a, a line of the serpent seed, this, this, uh, genetic lineage of the

01:41:26.400 fallen, let's say, and then there's the, the human seed and that genetic lineage.

01:41:30.020 And then I recognize that throughout this whole UAP phenomenon and, and, and UFO thing, um,

01:41:35.560 and even our own government, especially now with the IVF thing, there's a huge supernatural

01:41:40.000 interest in our genetics and creating a hybridization program.

01:41:44.920 And so I recognize that element as repeating all throughout the human experience.

01:41:49.500 And I recognize that these entities, aliens, gods, whatever, it doesn't matter.

01:41:54.520 You know, even, uh, Alistair Crowley with the whole lamb thing, it's like, they'll call

01:41:57.880 me aliens or demons today.

01:41:59.500 And they'll call me something else tomorrow.

01:42:01.200 Right.

01:42:01.600 That's like kind of the revelation or part of the revelation from lamb to, to Crowley.

01:42:05.560 Um, it doesn't matter the label necessarily.

01:42:08.380 And, and I'm, I, like I said, I'm, I didn't have that upbringing.

01:42:11.500 So none of that language is charged for me in any way.

01:42:13.920 I could take it or leave it.

01:42:14.840 I'm deeply traumatized.

01:42:16.740 Yeah.

01:42:17.180 I mean, that's, you know, I get it, dude.

01:42:19.360 I get it.

01:42:19.900 I joke.

01:42:20.520 I kid, but you know, probably is somewhere in there.

01:42:22.820 If, if not you, countless thousands of other people, millions of other people,

01:42:27.160 there were millions that were talking historically, there were years for me where I hated the

01:42:31.780 church, hate it, wanted nothing to do with it.

01:42:34.500 Actually hated God.

01:42:35.760 Even the idea of it never doubted that he existed, but I was like, I think he existed

01:42:39.920 because they, they fucked me in a way that I, you know, is irreparable, but I had to like, 0.98

01:42:44.880 yeah, I don't know, whatever.

01:42:45.600 That's a, that's a story for another time, but not, I, I, I know exactly where you're coming

01:42:49.280 from, man.

01:42:49.780 It's, it's disgusting.

01:42:51.260 The organization could be, uh, yeah, go ahead, David.

01:42:55.500 I just, you can gleam something from all of them though.

01:42:58.400 Like, right.

01:42:58.740 When you look at Greek mythology and, and Zeus has this tendency to transmutate into different

01:43:04.200 animals and then impregnate human women and give birth to demigods. 0.95

01:43:07.820 And you're like, oh, Nephilim demigods, you know, the, the heroes of renown or whatever 0.99

01:43:11.420 the, the expression is in the Bible.

01:43:13.400 Um, I think that we get caught up and maybe that's not wrong on like language, terminology,

01:43:20.420 verbiage, things like that.

01:43:21.700 But I recognize that it's all the same story being told really at the end of the day.

01:43:25.500 The day though, there's a fundamental difference.

01:43:27.300 And that fundamental difference, as far as I can see is, are you listening to a group

01:43:32.000 of them who are saying they created you, uh, i.e.

01:43:35.360 The Anunnaki or something like that, right? 0.52

01:43:37.020 They altered early humanids or, uh, uh, what, what would you call those? 0.89

01:43:40.600 Uh, not primal man, what monkey people, right? 0.99

01:43:45.000 Yeah.

01:43:45.400 Yeah.

01:43:45.640 And, and they created a better slave race. 0.98

01:43:47.940 And then of course there's like the, the, the tall whites, the Norse sort of, uh, or the

01:43:52.780 Nordics, right?

01:43:53.340 With the alien pantheon.

01:43:54.800 And they're giving us a message.

01:43:56.420 I don't know if it, if they're the Pleiadians, what the hell ever, but, uh, that the greys, 1.00

01:44:00.460 they upgraded us from early hominid, uh, to make a good slave race. 1.00

01:44:04.580 And then the, the Nords intervened at some point to try to liberate us.

01:44:08.740 They elevated us even further.

01:44:10.260 And so basically the idea is there's a pantheon, a group, good or bad, doesn't matter, but they

01:44:16.200 made us.

01:44:17.540 Or is there something beyond them?

01:44:20.620 One central God that made them, made us, made this entire universe.

01:44:24.860 And that is usually the deviation.

01:44:26.920 It's like, it's either a group saying they did it or it's, you know, like Christianity.

01:44:31.740 If you read between the lines, it's saying, uh, God made them and made us.

01:44:36.900 And they're not too pumped about us.

01:44:38.120 Well, I mean, the, the main deviation between a lot of these stories, I think we should,

01:44:41.740 uh, wrap it up here, but yes, we have another show in five minutes.

01:44:45.720 If I offended you.

01:44:47.080 No, no, no, no, no.

01:44:48.680 I'm kidding.

01:44:49.460 I'm kidding.

01:44:50.300 I know you're not.

01:44:51.360 It's not, it's not every day we get a guest of your size and we get to like, have a good

01:44:55.920 conversation.

01:44:56.220 Pick your brain.

01:44:57.040 Yeah.

01:44:57.340 Yeah.

01:44:57.520 This was great.

01:44:58.120 Um, but, uh, yeah, the, the, these pantheon of gods, whether you're going to go to India

01:45:02.340 or wherever, they're always asking like for a sacrifice.

01:45:05.120 They want something.

01:45:06.360 But on the other hand, this idea of Christianity is flipped on its head.

01:45:10.260 It doesn't want anything.

01:45:11.320 And in fact, it's given to you.

01:45:12.660 So like the incentive structure is upside down and yeah, you could use it as a nation

01:45:18.180 building tool, but in its essence, what it really is, there's a story of, uh, forgiveness.

01:45:23.300 And then there's a story of constant need.

01:45:25.580 Give me, give me.

01:45:26.260 And it's kind of like, well, which one of these do I really want to choose and serve?

01:45:29.960 Cause you're going to worship something no matter what it is.

01:45:32.440 I pick, pick it up, man.

01:45:33.420 You're going to worship it.

01:45:34.100 Is it your Mario amiibos or is it God?

01:45:36.740 Or is it whatever?

01:45:37.720 Some Nephilim you choose. 0.94

01:45:39.380 Are your walls covered in star Wars memorabilia?

01:45:41.400 You know, the first thing you see when you wake up, found out dragon balls, these fucking

01:45:45.200 Nephilim shit, but whatever you, you, which is awesome.

01:45:47.780 I love, I grew up watching dragon ball Z and I dragon ball Z.

01:45:51.940 I'm not going to stop.

01:45:52.600 And, and you know, you know, the Mario thing too, right?

01:45:55.460 I mean, Mario eats a mushroom becomes a better Uber mensch human. 0.87

01:46:00.980 Yes.

01:46:01.480 Fights a reptilian royalty.

01:46:03.360 Like why the hell did Bowser ever wear a crown?

01:46:06.560 It doesn't really make any sense, but it resonates with people because you know, the reptilian elite 0.99

01:46:11.820 are real and subconsciously we all know it.

01:46:14.080 And that's how you get Mario.

01:46:16.080 So we got the answer.

01:46:17.580 If he believes in the reptilians dragon ball Z, you know, it's just, it is crazy.

01:46:21.400 Like they become these giant Uber mensch people and they fight aliens.

01:46:27.240 Yep.

01:46:28.000 And they are, they're also, they make Nephilim too, right? 0.96

01:46:31.080 They're like a angelic beings that fall from the heavens.

01:46:33.620 And then when they have offspring with human women, those offspring are considerably stronger. 0.91

01:46:39.140 You know, they develop faster.

01:46:40.740 Gohan is got all this latent ability.

01:46:42.960 Yeah.

01:46:43.100 There's definitely something in it.

01:46:44.260 It's just really interesting that you take any, any type of media, video games, anime,

01:46:49.880 whatever.

01:46:50.760 And like the, the stuff that rises to the top Spielberg movies, it all contains these

01:46:56.660 themes.

01:46:57.080 Yeah.

01:46:57.440 It is interesting for sure.

01:46:59.040 Yeah.

01:46:59.380 I think it's because like, so again, it could be a concerted, uh, concerted narrative or concerted

01:47:05.380 idea to push this to the top.

01:47:06.820 But I really think the human condition we're drawn to the truth.

01:47:10.040 That's why you have a hundred thousand followers on YouTube and crazy successful pockets because

01:47:14.240 you're unveiling the truth.

01:47:15.580 So people are going to, they're going to find it and go to it.

01:47:18.720 So when someone gives them a glimmer of that, like Moana has like a demigod and there's

01:47:22.680 like all this stories of, yeah, it's like people want to hear this story.

01:47:25.720 We know it's, it's true deep inside of it.

01:47:27.860 It's like, tell us in some form or fashion.

01:47:29.540 We like to hear these things.

01:47:31.260 There are these archetypical stories that resonate with the human experience.

01:47:34.500 And, uh, you know, I think, uh, we should be asking why is it just strictly a psychological

01:47:38.420 thing or is it, uh, was it Freud that said that we believe this cause we want to bang

01:47:42.820 our moms?

01:47:43.300 I don't know if that's the case, but, uh, I don't want to bang my mom.

01:47:46.700 I swear.

01:47:47.400 I don't want to bang my mom.

01:47:48.740 I'm way more a Carl young kind of guy than a Freud.

01:47:51.280 There we go.

01:47:52.000 Um, we're off.

01:47:53.120 We're at that time.

01:47:53.800 Now it's been a fantastic conversation.

01:47:55.200 I hope we didn't scare you off.

01:47:56.920 I hope you'll, you'll come back sometime and talk to us about some more schizo stuff.

01:48:00.360 Uh, but before we wrap this up one more time, Greg, thank you for your time.

01:48:04.580 Where can people find your work?

01:48:06.460 Yes.

01:48:06.780 The higher side chats.com anywhere you find podcasts, any podcast player, the first hour,

01:48:12.820 is always free and sponsor free ad free.

01:48:15.880 We get right into it and just never interrupt it.

01:48:18.440 And then the second hour is for subscribers.

01:48:20.940 The archive is huge.

01:48:22.280 Obviously it's over a decade of content.

01:48:24.260 It's well edited.

01:48:25.080 We take the ums and ahs and pauses out.

01:48:27.440 And there's a lot of timeless classics in there.

01:48:29.940 I try not to follow the news cycle.

01:48:32.180 So you'll find interviews that maybe you're five years old, but the content is evergreen

01:48:37.160 because we're talking about the history of a certain thing or, you know, dozens of concepts,

01:48:42.820 consciousness, whatever.

01:48:44.580 So it's all there.

01:48:45.900 Check it out.

01:48:47.020 Awesome.

01:48:47.400 As the Bible says, nothing new under the sun, right, Greg?

01:48:50.120 Exactly.

01:48:50.800 There you go.

01:48:51.180 Amen.

01:48:52.180 Amen.

01:48:52.500 Amen.

01:48:54.200 Hallelujah.

01:48:57.160 Oh, shit, man.

01:48:58.400 Guys, thanks for showing up.

01:48:59.560 This has been another great episode.

01:49:00.960 And until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.

01:49:04.440 We'll see you later.

01:49:05.020 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:49:11.640 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:49:15.020 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:49:22.420 Because they'll be in the face of an expedition that portrays the bigger picture of what's in the room.

01:49:29.400 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - April 18, 2025

153： The Higher Side of Conspiracy w⧸ Greg Carlwood

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