Nick Bryant is a journalist and author who has written about the Epstein scandal, the Franklin Scandal, the Watergate scandal, and the JFK assassination. He has also written a number of books, including Confessions of a D.C. Madam, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail, and The Truth About Watergate.
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00:02:50.340Guys, today we are joined by Nick Bryant.
00:02:54.120Nick, for the audience members who may not be familiar with your work, let us know what it is you focus on and where they can find your work.
00:03:06.400Probably the most popular book I've written is called The Franklin Scandal, A Story of Power Brokers, Child Abuse, and Betrayal.
00:03:14.580I co-authored Confessions of a D.C. Madam, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail.
00:03:20.160And I also wrote a book called The Truth About Watergate, A Tale of Extraordinary Lies and Liars.
00:03:26.060And the one common denominator with all those three books are political blackmail by intelligence.
00:03:39.120And I'm amazed that very few people know this, but the DNC, the Democratic National Committee, actually was funneling its big shots to a CIA brothel where they would be filmed.
00:03:58.940And then The Franklin Scandal was about a child trafficking network that was also participated in blackmail.
00:04:07.860And Confessions of a D.C. Man, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail, that kind of says it all.
00:05:15.720There was like 200 victims in his black book.
00:05:19.120And I started calling victims and they were telling me about being flown around.
00:05:23.560And then at that point, I knew that Epstein was overseeing a network.
00:05:29.360And I believe I was the first guy, journalist, that was onto that reality.
00:05:34.420As I said earlier, he'd just been looked at as a lone pedophile.
00:05:38.080So that time frame is is hugely ahead of the curve.
00:05:43.600The 2012 is when he gets on your radar.
00:05:45.720And there are those within the sort of, I guess, whistleblower community or people who are seeking the truth about these narratives who were mentioning Epstein, but far and few in between.
00:05:55.940So the fact that you were that early to it, I just want to say, Nick, it's almost a miracle that you're even sitting here talking to us.
00:06:02.120We do a fair bit of talking about, you know, political espionage and sexual blackmail operations.
00:06:08.060But we're just a couple of podcasters.
00:06:13.560But you are writing books and it is your central focus.
00:06:16.160And you've picked a dangerous place to kind of spread your wings.
00:06:20.320I kind of want to address something that I didn't intend on addressing.
00:06:23.740I thought we were going to basically be focusing on the Epstein trial.
00:06:27.100But and of course, I just lost the link from your website here.
00:06:31.360You have a book on disassociative disorders in children.
00:06:36.300Is that something that happened that you were looking into prior?
00:06:39.280Or is this something that you started looking into after you're, you know, watching the Franklin scandal and Epstein stuff?
00:06:45.980I had written a lot about children's issues earlier in my career.
00:06:49.300And there were a number of there's a number of therapists out there internationally that know that networks like the Franklin Network and the Epstein Network exist.
00:07:02.240And they counsel generally a lot of these victims have dissociative identity disorder.
00:07:08.540And they counsel victims that have dissociative identity disorder, which was generally called multiple personality disorder.
00:07:20.240And I they were very impressed with the Franklin scandal because they knew about these networks.
00:07:27.980But they've never but but a book has never really been written about one, one with journalistic integrity.
00:07:35.840And I started talking to some of these psychiatrists.
00:07:39.660And actually, I they're all affiliated with the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation.
00:07:46.680And I spoke at one of their international conferences and I also spoke at a webinar that they put on and I contributed a chapter to a book that was edited by psychologists and psychiatrists.
00:08:01.020I've gotten to know the lay of the land pretty well when it comes to child trafficking.
00:08:06.020I've been looking into child trafficking since 2002.
00:08:10.540So I've been I've been at about 23 years.
00:08:15.180Dark field, dark field to be in dangerous one.
00:08:19.220Yeah. All right. So where do you where do you want to begin with?
00:08:22.420I mean, were you in when you're talking about Florida, you're talking about Mar-a-Lago when you start to investigate Epstein?
00:09:36.640And I published both the black book and then flight logs on Gawker, wrote some articles about them.
00:09:43.560And that's how it got disseminated to the world.
00:09:47.520But what I find fascinating is once the black book had been published, every publication, I mean, the floodgates open and every publication imaginable started writing about the black book.
00:10:04.320And only two credited me with actually ushering the black book into public consciousness.
00:10:11.800The rest didn't really want to trifle with me at all.
00:10:15.340And I think that that's because of the Franklin scandal.
00:10:18.740When I was pitching the Franklin scandal in 2002, 2003, this was long before Epstein.
00:10:24.860And I was telling these editors, this is a pedophile network that was flying kids from coast to coast.
00:10:34.840And it was covered up, immaculately covered up by the feds and also by the state.
00:10:41.000And that was a message they didn't want to hear.
00:10:44.060And when I would meet with editors, some of them would just come out and say, libel, libel, libel, libel.
00:10:52.280And then I knew that that was kind of a dead end.
00:10:56.160But then there were a couple of editors I met with, and I could see the wheels going around.
00:11:01.760And then I could see the cognitive dissonance occurring where they were thinking, this is a horrible story.
00:11:09.400And I need to help Nick Bryant expose this.
00:11:13.320Or I can just write Nick Bryant off as crazy, and I can have a nice dinner with my family tonight.
00:11:20.860And I was surprised because I had a lot of kids.
00:11:23.160I've lived in Manhattan for many years, and I've been a writer here, journalist for many years.
00:11:28.400And I was very, you know, I knew that most of my...
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00:13:18.900The Department of Justice for the Southern District of Florida had a list of 34 Epstein victims, 34 Epstein victims, underage victims, that had been molested in traffic.
00:13:34.740And Alexander Acosta, who was the U.S. attorney at the time, was going to ostensibly pursue a grand jury to look into the matter.
00:13:42.320But, and this has been reported in many different milieus.
00:13:48.140He was told that he had to stand down because Epstein was intelligence.
00:13:54.420And to tell a U.S. attorney to stand down, that can only come from one of two places.
00:14:01.580Either the presidential administration or at the zenith of the Department of Justice.
00:14:08.780So that's how much juice was used to cover up Jeffrey Epstein.
00:14:16.200And there was, before that, there was a very corrupt grand jury.
00:14:21.500And I, you can go to my website or the website.
00:14:25.420I started a nonprofit organization called EpsteinJustice.com.
00:14:29.680And your viewers can go to that and take a look at what we've got.
00:14:35.900But I made a video about the very corrupt grand jury.
00:14:39.140I don't know if your audience is familiar with grand juries, but they're very easy to corrupt.
00:14:44.640You just have to get a special prosecutor that's corrupt.
00:14:48.980And then grand jurors are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty.
00:14:53.580And the grand juror system is very, very flawed.
00:14:59.960There's actually, there's only two countries in the world that use the grand jury system.
00:15:03.960One is the United States and one is that bastion of justice, Liberia.
00:15:08.200But the special prosecutor shows the grand jurors the evidence that he wants them to see and calls the witnesses that he wants to call.
00:15:19.580And in the case of the Epstein grand jury, there were victims that were called.
00:15:25.140One had been getting molested since she was 16 and she was 18 at the time.
00:15:31.640And the grand jurors are calling these girls prostitutes and telling them that they should be ashamed for themselves.
00:15:47.800And here's another travesty of justice in the Epstein case.
00:15:52.200The Palm Beach Police Department had the statements of five underage girls that had been molested by Epstein.
00:16:01.160But they knew of 17 more and only two were called.
00:16:29.040It's also the implications of it because it's not just a human trafficking ring that's trafficking children.
00:16:36.040It's also one in which the the end result is a tremendous amount of leverage that you have over an individual who you've now blackmailed.
00:16:45.360So what I'm getting at is the implications of this human trafficking ring are such that it it actually has the ability to place people in very influential positions of power within our government or our media even.
00:16:58.300And it's not just the judicial system that's guilty of like really kind of gunking up the gears on this process.
00:17:05.400You also have that same instance of slowing this down happen with the ABC reporter.
00:17:11.040Right. So she's she's on a hidden camera or she doesn't realize she's on a hot mic or something like that.
00:17:16.060And she's talking about how she had the Epstein story many years prior to it blowing up in a big way again in 2019.
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00:17:50.6602020. But she was told to quash the story by, you know, ABC or whoever the executives over there are.
00:18:00.180And so it's it's more than just the judicial system, but it's also our media apparatus that's engaging in this.
00:18:08.780What's truly unfortunate is no one in the media has called for justice in the Epstein case.
00:18:15.400And there was a big Epstein document dump a little over a year ago and CNN contacted me because I'd been the guy that put the black book on the Internet.
00:18:28.520And they wanted to get my feedback on the document cache that was getting released.
00:18:34.600And I was texting with the producer throughout the day and I was about to go on.
00:18:42.780And then I said to him, as long as we're talking about Epstein, I'd really like to talk about this nonprofit organization that I started, Epstein Justice.
00:18:50.580And then about 10 minutes later, I get a text, Nick, we're going in another direction.
00:18:58.480So I have got that other direction text a few times.
00:19:03.280And unfortunately, I'm just I'm used to it, but it just shows you how out of balance the judiciary and the media are.
00:19:16.560The media should be at least a watchdog over the judiciary, but we're not seeing that at all in the Epstein case.
00:19:22.840You actually see not only them not willing to engage with the story, but there's also like an element of damage control.
00:19:31.680Right. So I'd be eager to to know your thoughts, Nick, on the Epstein Island Netflix documentary that, from my point of view, seemed like damage control.
00:19:40.960It seemed like an effort to absolve to whatever degree they could Maxwell and her role in it.
00:19:47.280It almost painted her as a victim, sort of.
00:19:50.880And it painted Epstein as a mastermind who was acting solo, which obviously is not the case.
00:19:56.940What did you think about that documentary?
00:19:58.080I thought it was a horrible documentary.
00:20:00.920And it did not at all edify us about things that we'd already known.
00:20:07.400And one thing that it could have gotten across, which it didn't, is human traffickers, human sex traffickers and just human traffickers in general.
00:20:22.340They're vicious people, vicious, whether they've got a mansion on Fifth Avenue or they're living in a trailer park and outside of Tallahassee, Florida.
00:20:33.600They are vicious, vicious, vicious people.
00:20:37.240And I've gotten to know some of the Epstein victims and I've listened to what they have gone through.
00:20:46.880And that's another thing where the media has really, really just been bankrupt is these girls went through hell and no one in the media has really conveyed that at all.
00:21:04.700Do you think there is some complicity tied to the media or is this, are they just running cover for somebody else?
00:22:54.960In the federal judiciary, trafficking children is 15 to life.
00:23:00.540So if they were indicted on multiple kinds of child trafficking, which they absolutely should be and could be, they would start rolling over on the perps.
00:23:25.060Part of that documentary, that Netflix documentary, what I thought they missed the mark on so badly was sort of the who is the victim in this situation.
00:23:36.680And what they focused on were girls that were like, you know, 16, 17 years old.
00:23:43.880And many people who are familiar with the Epstein case are suspecting that it goes into a much darker place than that.
00:23:51.540But, you know, that was part of what Netflix was willing to show you is like something horrifying, but something that certainly minimizes or reduces the situation there with that with that blackmail ring.
00:24:04.960In your investigations, Nick, what have you found?
00:24:08.020Is it just 15, 16, 17 year old girls or does it go to the place where I suppose the terminology would be conspiracy theorists think that it goes and myself included?
00:24:18.040The media and the government have settled on 14.
00:24:22.620It's been reported that they're as young as 11 or 12 in an Australian newspaper.
00:24:28.880But because I've got a connection to the International Society for the Study of Trauma Dissociation, a number of those therapists know that I've been working on Epstein.
00:24:44.280So I've been approached by two therapists, and one of them is a very eminent psychologist.
00:24:57.980A lot of people in the field of psychology would know her name.
00:25:04.200And she believes that she's been counseling an Epstein victim that was trafficked when she was under 10.
00:25:09.200And there's another therapist I know who also believes, and these are very competent therapists, who also believe that she is counseling a client or patient that was trafficked when she was under 10 years old.
00:25:27.900And we have this information that 14 was supposedly the demarcation of the Epstein network.
00:25:40.000But with the Franklin scandal, the pimps were, well, at least one of the pimps was into pubescent boys.
00:25:50.680But if you wanted a 7-year-old or an 8-year-old, I mean, these guys are psychopaths.
00:25:56.080I mean, do you think Jeffrey Epstein has to worry about his conscience or Ghislaine Maxwell has to worry about her conscience?
00:26:02.300If you wanted a 7-year-old or an 8-year-old, Lawrence King would provide – he was one of the pimps in the Franks.
00:26:09.220He would provide you with a 7-year-old or an 8-year-old.
00:26:12.400And I do believe these therapists – these therapists have enough information from their clients to believe that they had been trafficked by Epstein when they were under 10 years old.
00:26:29.220Another question, I guess, to what end do you think the trafficking – why were they doing this?
00:26:37.640Is it just to get blackmail, in your opinion, or is there more?
00:26:43.980Like, we look at, you know, conspiracy theorists, look at the island, and I look at the temple on the island, and a lot of this, like, weird symbology.
00:26:52.860And I start to – you know, we start to think, and our brains start going weird places.
00:26:57.640But what do you think in your actual studies?
00:27:02.000Well, I mean, you've got the – excuse me.
00:27:05.480You've got the temple with a Moloch there, which is the god of sacrificing children.
00:27:13.920And – but I'm not – I try not to make those leaps, but there was an owl right there on the temple, and Moloch was an owl.
00:27:25.320But for me, I just go where there's proof.
00:27:30.840I mean, I don't have proof that that's Moloch.
00:27:37.960And actually, I know some people that are very esteemed that believe it was Moloch, but we don't know for sure.
00:27:46.580And I've looked very deeply into Epstein.
00:27:51.880I've been looking for occult symbolism or occult practicing and practitioners, and I haven't seen that yet.
00:28:01.360And I've delved very deeply into Epstein, and I have not come across the occult.
00:28:07.480But there is – so at the height of the Epstein situation, right before COVID, the sentiments Epstein didn't kill himself became incredibly viral.
00:28:18.040And it was kind of a fascinating moment because something that was obviously purposely obscured for a long time, a lot of people stood in the way of this story developing.
00:28:27.940I'm sure there's a lot of major players on the world stage who had a vested interest in it not coming to light.
00:28:32.660And nevertheless, 2019, we were all saying Epstein didn't kill himself.
00:28:42.080And at the same time, there were those people who were theorizing that he actually didn't kill himself, that he actually wasn't dead at all.
00:28:52.560And in fact, the person that was on the autopsy table had somehow discernibly different ears than him.
00:28:57.420But that's as far as I'm really aware of it.
00:28:59.540I wonder, Nick, in your investigation, have you come across anything that would at least lend itself to you having sympathy for those who suspect that he actually is not dead?
00:29:10.660You know, to rejoin to that, I think something came out recently with the Argentinian government talking about Hitler, some classified documents.
00:29:19.020I haven't read them, but I've perused what people said about them.
00:29:21.880And it seems like Hitler is one of the dudes that kind of lived out the rest of his days there.
00:29:26.240I have to do some more research on it to make sure that it's legitimate, but this is word on the street.
00:29:35.580I try not to get bogged down on whether or not Epstein killed himself or whether or not he's dead.
00:29:42.640In that particular prison, it's very, very difficult to commit suicide.
00:29:47.380For sure, I've known two people that have been in that prison.
00:29:52.120And then there were a number of anomalies that night, like Epstein's cellmate getting taken out and the guards, one of the guards not being the guards, they were sleeping and then the video wasn't working.
00:30:12.220I want to focus on the fact that we need justice for Epstein victims because we can just go around and around and around about whether or not Epstein killed himself and whether or not he's alive.
00:30:23.240But the thing at hand is we have girls that have been trafficked for 25 years that are very damaged and they need justice.
00:30:39.480And that's, to me, the most important thing.
00:30:43.220So I kind of look at the Epstein's death and all the speculation is it's kind of a red herring.
00:30:55.100So here in 2025, we have this new administration shift and people are by people.
00:31:02.000I mean, the public, the general public is pretty accepting of the idea that there are large scale sexual blackmail operations and that Epstein was running one.
00:31:10.300Maybe even P. Diddy was part of another one.
00:31:13.060It seems to be common that they're taking place in the Virgin Islands.
00:31:16.640But this isn't something that the general public would recoil to anymore.
00:31:23.260This is something that I think a lot of people accept.
00:31:25.840And with this new administration coming in, certainly there are hopes, right?
00:31:28.940We just went through phase one of the Epstein release.
00:31:31.240But to your point, Nick, we have enough to start nailing these people.
00:31:42.860But I mean, serious expectations of this new administration to address this in any meaningful way.
00:31:49.460How do you how does this pass through your filter when you see this phase one and potentially phase two, whenever that happens?
00:31:55.140Well, Trump had four years to get to the bottom of Epstein previously.
00:31:59.300His attorney general was William Barr and the Franklin network that I wrote about was covered up by William Barr when he was Bush the one's attorney general.
00:32:11.080And then he becomes attorney general for Trump.
00:32:15.040And he certainly covers up the Epstein network as the attorney general there.
00:32:19.480When I think of the overlap, and I'm talking about Barr now, but there was a U.S. attorney named Damian Williams, and he was a U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Manhattan, which is the most powerful federal law enforcement officer in New York.
00:32:43.120And he was the guy that oversaw Maxwell's trial and Maxwell's trial was very carefully choreographed to make sure that the only women that were called to the stand were women that had been molested by just Epstein and Maxwell.
00:33:00.260So they didn't know about any of the other perpetrators.
00:33:04.360And he was also the U.S. attorney that oversaw the Diddy grand jury.
00:33:11.260And there's a number of civil lawsuits against Diddy right now, at least 20 for minors.
00:33:16.640And he didn't indict Diddy on a single count of child trafficking.
00:33:22.820But it's very obvious that he was there not only to do damage control on Maxwell, but also do damage control on Diddy.
00:33:33.440Hmm. So it almost feels like then this phase one thing that they're doing is is an appeasement of some sort to kind of maybe quell the conversation to a degree or satisfy some of the people so that they think that this administration is going to address it.
00:33:51.760You know, what is interesting during the first administration, the first Trump administration, there were a a series of child trafficking bus that were taking place and they were at a pretty large scale.
00:34:04.460I forget the numbers, but it wasn't you know, it wasn't an isolated incident.
00:34:07.940These were large groups of victims that were recovered and rescued and pretty substantial rings in the sense of how many people were involved in this organized ring of human trafficking.
00:34:20.280And the media, I felt, was underreporting on them at the time.
00:34:26.600And because if you wanted to, you can sensationalize those moments.
00:34:31.080You can conjoin them all and say, look what the Trump administration is doing.
00:34:35.360He's targeting and saving these children.
00:34:37.540Certainly, it's good for PR and good for the children.
00:34:42.360But did you get the sense during that first administration that things were moving in such a direction?
00:34:47.420Or did you even see through your lens that the administration was focused on that sort of a thing?
00:34:54.400I think that these big bus that people talk about are somewhat apocryphal.
00:35:00.040I mean, there were people that were busted for child trafficking during Trump's first term.
00:35:07.340But it was these people, like the QAnon people, they talk about Trump saving all the children.
00:35:16.620And I think that there was about the same number of child trafficking busts during Trump's administration that there were from the previous administration and also from the Biden administration.
00:35:29.660I don't really think that there's that much of a difference.
00:35:32.080I would agree that the QAnon narrative is particularly what made me focus on those things.
00:35:38.460And so in that way, if it's on your mind, then you're looking for it.
00:35:42.920And of course, if you're investigating those those circles, then they are going to be bringing those articles to the surface to sort of bolster it.
00:35:50.300But it is fascinating because he has become sort of the savior figure in that movement, the QAnon movement.
00:35:56.280And it's all about this Epstein human trafficking ring.
00:36:03.000Well, actually, but they were blaming the Democrats.
00:36:05.720The QAnons were blaming the Democrats for Hillary Clinton was sacrificing this kid and all that.
00:36:11.880When it was really the progenitors of QAnon were two cynical individuals in Japan.
00:36:17.460And now that we know that what it really demonstrates that and for some reason, people just wanted to believe it and they they took it and they ran with it.
00:36:30.800And that is the problem when you get into this area is people want to believe things that they don't have any proof for.
00:36:39.700And they just want to take the ball and run with it.
00:36:46.840The thing is, we don't need to speculate like that because we have lots of evidence.
00:36:55.400That we can indict Epstein perps with.
00:36:59.320So speculation like that is actually it damages people like me that have approached and and anti-trafficacy.
00:37:09.700Organizations that are doing the best that they can because there was a magazine article published in the Atlantic about it was called the Great Child Trafficking Hoax or something.
00:37:21.640It was like and they looked at Tim Ballard, the Atlantic writer, looked at Tim Ballard, who was ostensibly saving children.
00:37:36.580Well, the Department of Health and Human Services estimates that there's between 175,000 and 240,000 women and children that are sexually trafficked in the United States every year.
00:39:02.680He was an unctuous individual, but I got a lot of information from him.
00:39:06.360And he said, when you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht and it's a beautiful yacht and it's a beautiful day.
00:39:15.120And you can have anything that you want on this yacht.
00:39:19.400But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown.
00:39:25.340So once you're compromised, either you're going to be have a good time on the yacht or you're going to drown.
00:39:34.000And that's once someone is in that position, it's really there's nothing to contemplate.
00:39:41.340But how how damning should we be interpreting the flight logs like so?
00:39:51.520So I went through the flight logs recently and.
00:39:54.200You know, I'm not somebody who's ever worked in airspace at all, so it's almost a little bit confusing.
00:39:59.320But and there's a lot of almost mundanity to it if you're if you're going through it.
00:40:03.800And I don't know what I'm looking for.
00:40:05.540So I'm looking for, you know, maybe last names, first initials that seem familiar or something like that.
00:40:10.900And we get things like the idea that Bill Clinton was one of the most prolific attendees on the Lolita Express.
00:40:20.040But is is it enough to be on that plane to associate you with this entire situation?
00:40:28.520There were a lot of perps on that plane.
00:40:31.160And I'm sure that there were some innocent people on that plane.
00:40:36.340It all depends upon what the milieu was or what the venue was.
00:40:42.200There was a woman that I know who actually when Clinton was in South Africa with Epstein talking about how the Clinton Foundation could was this wonderful thing.
00:40:54.500And and Epstein met a young woman who was like 20 years old and Epstein said to her, I can make you a model.
00:41:06.340You should come back to New York and I've got an apartment you can stay in.
00:41:10.680And the woman thought, well, since Epstein was with Clinton, this has to be on the up and up.
00:41:17.320So she flew to New York City and Epstein had that apartment building on 66th Street.
00:41:23.420And as she was unpacking, Sarah Kellen, one of the pimps who I've previously named, said to her, you don't have to unpack.
00:46:37.060There were a bunch of disks and a bunch of hard drives that were filled with child pornography or child rape material.
00:46:46.020And what's really troubling to me is that I'm willing to bet that the federal government did not go to any of those victims or try to find any of those victims.
00:46:57.840When someone is used for child rape material, that's unbelievably devastating and can lead to dissociative identity disorder or often leads to dissociative identity disorder.
00:47:12.640And that's an area where the FBI and the Department of Justice have let down all kinds of victims again.
00:47:23.660I mean, if the New York Times is saying possibly thousands of images of child rape material, the government should go out and find those young women or girls at this point and get them help.
00:47:40.880And I don't even think that's happening.
00:47:43.460When Epstein killed himself, the government said that the case was closed.
00:47:52.320I didn't FOIA for the disks, but I FOIA'd for the reports on the disks.
00:47:59.980And I was given an explanation that the investigation is ongoing.
00:48:05.700So I sent an email and I showed all the major media that said the Department of Justice had closed the case.
00:48:17.260But that was much ado about nothing for me because there was no way that I was going to get reports on any of those CDs and any of those disks and hard drives.
00:48:29.640But that just shows you, again, how unlawful the government has been in this area is they're not going after perpetrators.
00:48:41.460They should at least, at least go after these young women now who are used for child rape material.
00:48:56.820I mean, you know, the government, the CIA specifically has a tendency to create programs that study disassociative identity disorder in specifically children.
00:49:08.480And that's been already been declassified since, you know, at least 1953.
00:49:13.540So I wouldn't be surprised if they followed up on some of these some of these victims.
00:49:18.740It's like that's just like even darker than I would like to even explore.
00:49:22.360Well, we're we're coming up on I know we only have Nick for an hour and, you know, sometimes I think in this conversation of Epstein, we often focus on like these these details that get rehashed and are highly speculative.
00:49:37.980But I'd like to take the last few minutes of this, if we could, Nick, to talk about these victims who are out there, who are who are speaking up.
00:49:46.720Who are they? What are they saying? And how do people go about supporting them?
00:49:51.700Because right now those are the most important voices when it comes to this topic.
00:49:56.880And many of us are just, you know, on online forums, having these conversations and speculating.
00:50:02.180Meanwhile, there are victims who are out who are speaking.
00:50:04.900And so who are these these women and how do people find them and support them and hear their work?
00:50:11.540Two hundred and twenty five women have applied for a conversation from the Epstein Victims Conversation Program and one hundred and fifty have been awarded judgments.
00:50:21.280Eight have declined because they didn't want to sign the NDA.
00:50:24.120That's what can I just say? That's super nefarious, by the way, to totally nefarious to offer up some sort of an organization that's going to fund these women for the crap that they've been through.
00:50:36.200But then on the other end of it to say, hey, if you take this money, by the way, you'd better keep your mouth shut.
00:50:41.760I mean, that is if that doesn't mean me to ask how much like that's the other thing.
00:50:49.460We don't know the criteria for the settlements and the settlements have been, I think, anywhere from six figures and and up.
00:51:01.540And we don't know why some of the victims are getting more than than others for a settlement.
00:51:45.000Incredibly, it just showed the strength of the human will that they can overcome things like this.
00:51:51.800For some of these women, they're sharing their story and they're taking settlements, knowing in some cases that the individuals who abuse them are still out there.
00:52:01.860And if if it goes as deep as people think it does right to high level politicians and even media personalities and folks in Hollywood, I don't even want to think about what it must be like to share your story, to take a settlement for them to tell you to keep your mouth shut and then to see maybe your abuser on television.
00:52:24.600And that's why I started Epstein Justice, because we do need justice for Epstein trafficked these girls for 25 years and we need we need justice for them.
00:52:54.740And as I said earlier, we've got four of the Epstein pimps that The New York Times has written an article about demonstrating that they were the Epstein pimps.
00:53:18.620And it's it's it's it's kind of like the mafia where with those RICO prosecutions, small time crooks would be indicted and they'd be looking at 100 years in prison or whatever.
00:53:29.840And they'd roll over on their on their overseers.
00:54:51.740It's almost like a not almost it is a slap in the face to the entire American public, to the people who have been abused by Epstein, to to everybody.
00:54:59.860Why do you think they do these things?
00:55:01.700Pam Bondi said on national television that she was going to release the Epstein files or Epstein list or whatever you want to call it.
00:55:38.740But what it showed and this is very, very powerful.
00:55:43.300What it showed is how much outrage there was.
00:55:47.880On the left and on the right, both were outraged.
00:55:52.840And I think that that's probably the only thing the left and right can agree on at this point is that children shouldn't be molested with impunity.
00:56:00.600The crazy part is you're right, but I'm trying to make sense of why even do it?
00:56:09.540You don't have to have this photo op and drag these people down with you or just create this spectacle.
00:56:15.760It's almost like somebody within the administration wants to continue to stoke the flames of this.
00:56:20.240It's like, are they trying to get this out or are they just trying to laugh at us?
00:56:24.220If they're not trying to get it out, it almost feels like they're rolling out.
00:56:27.420Because if that's not your goal, then phase one of however many phases, is this going to be a big sort of smudge campaign where they're going to convolute and obscure and give an official narrative and say some of the stuff that they found and then close the case again?
00:56:45.200I just don't understand why even say phase one and then insinuate that there's multiple phases.
00:56:50.620They might have underestimated the moral barometer of Americans.
00:56:58.440I mean, that's the only thing that I can—it was so disingenuous and such a debacle that I think that there was a huge miscalculation by Pam Bondi and whoever was part of ostensibly releasing the Epstein vials.
00:57:15.940Well, Nick, I want to respect your time.
00:57:20.360We're coming up on the hour mark here.
00:57:21.960Is there anything that you'd like to impart as far as final thoughts?
00:57:28.220Well, it's great to be on your show, and I enjoyed myself.
00:57:34.120But I would really, really want your viewers, your audience, to go to EpsteinJustice.com and sign up and be part of the movement.
00:57:49.440And we cannot have a government that aids and abets child trafficking.
00:57:55.200We just—our government does a lot of—can do a lot of nefarious things, but aiding and abetting child trafficking, here it is right in our face that the government is aiding and abetting child trafficking.
00:58:07.760We, as Americans, we really need to do something about that.
00:58:11.000We know that something is seriously wrong with our government, and this is a major indication that it is.
00:58:17.860Well, justice for the victims of Epstein and operations like Epstein's is much more appealing than settlements and NDAs.
00:58:28.100And so I do hope that our audience goes over and supports that, certainly a worthy cause.
00:58:33.780Yeah, it also—I mean, it would behoove these people to get justice now in a form that is—I'm kind of understanding the justice that you're talking about, like bringing these people to jail.
00:58:47.140But the longer they kick this down the road and the more people stew on it, the angrier they get, they're not going to be calling for just jail time.
00:58:56.180It's going to—this could get really messy or could just go away completely.
00:59:12.220Here we are five years after the fact, and we're still talking about it.
00:59:16.260And we're still expecting results, and we're still pushing the bar.
00:59:19.260And so, yeah, I would say you're right, Top.
00:59:21.460The longer they let this go, the worse it's going to get.
00:59:24.840And so it'd be nice to see something soon.
00:59:26.980But what you've developed there, Nick, in an effort to make something happen for these people, some form of justice, is an admirable one.
00:59:35.580And so thank you for that, and thank you for your time.
00:59:38.440We keep trying, and I believe that Americans can do the right thing in this situation, and they can force the government to do the right thing.
00:59:52.500And as I said earlier, with the Bonnie debacle, it really shows that people are very, very interested in this.
01:00:01.340Although the media has done its best to cover this up, it just can't help itself from pumping out salacious dirt, which keeps people thinking about Epstein.