On this episode of the Nedealim Death Squad, host David Lee Corbo is joined by John Brisson and Jeremy Stone as they discuss the dark side of the internet, and how we should all be prepared to wake up from a dead in the grave.
00:03:51.100I run the We've Read the Documents YouTube channel.
00:03:53.200I'm also on a Christian podcast with my partner, Jeremy Stone, by their fruits as well.
00:04:00.640And I've been researching conspiracy for many years now.
00:04:05.940And I primarily research the Council for National Policy, which is the right wing of the world order, which is the right version of the Council on Foreign Relations.
00:04:14.440And also, I do believe that Donald John Trump is likely the Antichrist.
00:04:19.460So I spent a lot of my time coming against Donald Trump.
00:04:23.200Also expose what I believe to be the current world order as well, which is a Freemasonic Jesuit Zionist world order.
00:04:32.940I talk a lot about my issues with Habad Lubavitch and kind of, you know, discussing what I believe the incoming Noahide laws, if they do occur, will happen under the Harlot system or the current world order as well, too.
00:04:47.660So, yeah, we cover a whole bunch of stuff, a whole wide range of topics.
00:04:55.040Yep. My name is Jeremy Stone and I am the host of By Their Fruits and do that with obviously my partner, John, here.
00:05:02.760And we we kind of talk about anything and everything from a biblical perspective, you know, a wide range of things from theology to aliens to, you know, Trump being the Antichrist and all that stuff.
00:05:15.960So come check it out. I mean, that's really all I do.
00:05:18.760I'm just other than that, I'm a Facebook person now.
00:05:21.100So I get a lot of traction on there. If anybody wants to find me on Facebook, it's Jeremy Stone.
00:05:26.940That's it. But, yeah, that's that's pretty much it.
00:05:32.080We found you guys kind of I don't know if somebody brought it to our attention top or if we just organically stumbled upon it.
00:05:38.380But you were reviewing our episode with Donnie Darkin that we did recently and you had a lot of fascinating things to say.
00:05:44.960And it's interesting that we're sitting here having this conversation because much of what Donnie lays out about this sort of B system, Harlot system, Donald Trump and all the strange coincidences surrounding him and his presidency, really his life.
00:05:59.200Right. And how it sort of nods to him being the Antichrist in many ways.
00:06:03.220And there are ways in which it doesn't, which is why I agree with the terminology you use, John.
00:06:08.140It's like I suspect that there's you know, that he may be the Antichrist or something going on there for sure.
00:06:14.000I have to admit, given the state of the current Trump administration, I was wrong about quite a bit.
00:06:19.960I just want to I wanted to say that at the top because I expected this to be sort of a gravy train for Donald Trump.
00:06:26.440I've been saying that a lot on our previous shows.
00:06:29.760I didn't expect him to be this inflammatory to his base this early into his administration.
00:06:36.220I thought for sure he would have done the layup thing, which is just give everybody what they want and have the people galvanized to you.
00:06:43.200And it seems like he's not taking that path, which is very interesting.
00:06:47.860Yeah, no, he seems like he's just he's he's speaking his normal rhetoric, bro.
00:06:52.620You know, he kind of appeals to people's emotions and what he knows everybody wants and is looking forward to.
00:07:04.840Like if that wasn't a red flag for anybody who supported this guy, that whole Project Stargate thing is literally the World Economic Forum's agenda,
00:07:15.660which goes against what MAGA believes in, that he's against the globalists.
00:07:20.640And it's literally the fourth industrial revolution.
00:07:24.060Well, there is this video that came out.
00:07:26.960What is it two days ago where I don't remember what the tweet was, but he says something to the effect of like, you know,
00:07:35.040the Houthis were getting together and plotting against us.
00:07:43.280And he just fucking puts a video of him bombing them.
00:07:45.640And then, of course, you know, if you go through the comments section, people are speculating as to whether or not this was not an actual plot by the Houthis.
00:07:53.020They weren't just gathering together in the middle of a field, standing in a circle quite a ways away from each other.
00:09:03.700But before we get into this larger conversation about Donnie, what do you guys think about the administration so far in regards to how it plays with him being the antichrist and the beast system, et cetera?
00:09:13.260I mean it's like what I thought was going to happen.
00:09:15.100And I've been talking about it for years in that the Biden administration – not Biden himself, but the Biden administration as a whole because Biden – we discussed how much dementia affected his presidency or not.
00:09:26.400But they kind of laid up, if we're talking like in basketball terms, and Trump dunked it in.
00:09:33.240Like his administration is dunking it in.
00:09:35.700So you had Andrel Industries, Palmer Luckey, who was funded by Peter Thiel, works with Palantir and Peter Thiel.
00:09:42.980So they completed the virtual border wall with drones and sensors, and you, of course, have – this year you have coming in the necessity for the real ID to finally come into place.
00:10:01.580Operation Warp Speed, Operation Tiberius Kirk all continued under the Biden administration.
00:10:05.780And, of course, the tanking of the economy and everything like that to lay up, to Trump, to where we are today.
00:10:11.960So we have Operation Stargate, as Jerry mentioned earlier, with Sam Altman and Larry Ellison and Massimo Sun, which is, you know, oops, we got it wrong with the mRNA shots that Palantir was very much involved with in Operation Tiberius Kirk.
00:10:39.440Make sure it's produced just right, and then we're going to give it to you directly, right?
00:10:43.080That's, like, the main of Operation Stargate is the completion of the medical data taken from America and throughout the world through Palantir, through Operation Tiberius Kirk, and put it forefront into we can cure you now.
00:10:56.900You know, the shots of the damage of the mRNA last time, what it did to you, we can fix it this time.
00:11:02.040We had, I forgot the guy's name, but he was, like, a South African billionaire that was on Tucker Carlson, where he was talking about using mRNA to improve T cells to get anybody who's had COVID, quote-unquote, or anybody who has gotten injured from the vaccines to fix them through mRNA, right?
00:11:23.360So that's what they're trying to sell for this administration is, is don't worry.
00:11:31.820Nicole Shanahan, who was his vice president candidate, she's been saying as well, too.
00:11:37.100Now, here recently, I don't know if she's flip-flopped, and now she's against it, but, you know, Days of Noah played previous clips where she was for this technology, right?
00:12:45.520Reasons why they use that acronym, one being Maha Bone in Freemasonry and Maha in Theosophy being the false holy spirit of the sevenfold ray.
00:12:53.660Okay, so for them saying that, you know, this is make America healthy again, when in reality, it's the same stuff that we called out last administration, that we called out Trump's first administration.
00:13:08.620You have, and I guess one last thing I'll touch in, other than the big thing that happened where Jared Kushner's Abraham Accords literally joined in with the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025.
00:13:17.760That was announced like two days ago, okay, where the main platform or Project 2025 now will be the Abraham Peace Accords, okay, and re-igniting that, which would play a role with Trump being the Antichrist, okay?
00:13:30.740Okay, but one of the biggest things I saw as well, too, is now your treasury payments.
00:13:37.920Any payment that you get from the United States government, whether it's Social Security, for example, no longer can be given to you in check or money order.
00:13:45.980It has to be given to you in either a debit card, a direct deposit payment to your bank, or a third option, which is a digital wallet.
00:13:54.880And we understand the digital wallet is cryptocurrency, obviously.
00:13:57.240So the first part of the bill says, don't worry, we're not going to have a CBDC, which I don't think they will.
00:14:00.940I think they're going to give you a basket of cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin being one of them, that eventually will have a universal basic income where you'll be paid in, okay, which will literally lead to the mark of the beast for the currency system.
00:14:12.440But that just sets that up for that because now grandma can't get paid for Social Security in a check.
00:14:36.140I mean, it's exactly what it is when it comes to, you know, the atrocities are happening in Israel and the Gaza Strip,
00:14:41.380or when it comes to grandma doesn't get her check anymore and, you know, the dueling away with the penny, right?
00:14:46.360And, you know, the further reducing of currency or the tariffs or whatever.
00:14:49.340People, it just doesn't, they don't, they just don't care.
00:14:51.460They just believe Trump's a savior of some sort.
00:14:55.780I've been wondering if it's, you know, initially how I saw this was they were going to get in and this administration was going to crush in so many ways.
00:15:03.140Like I said at the top of the show, because it was kind of a layup.
00:15:05.300So many of the issues that have plagued us for so long were pretty easily rectified.
00:15:09.400So I figured he would go on a sort of like a celebration tour.
00:15:12.760In fact, the language I've been using is like the Trump vindication train, because I do think, I still do think that this whole QAnon Epstein situation is going to come to light, yada, yada.
00:15:21.560They're going to paint Trump as some sort of a hero figure.
00:15:23.700But given his moves and how obviously, like, you know, the fact that he rolled out the whole Project Stargate thing so early into his, you know, his administration or securing the presidency.
00:15:37.540I was like, that's so tone deaf because so many of the American public are shell shocked from what we just went through that you would think even if you were trying to paint it in a positive light, even if there were some sort of real benefits to this sort of technology, this mRNA technology, that you would wait.
00:15:55.360You know, you would give it some time so the public can sort of forget a little bit, which we have a tendency to do.
00:16:01.980And he's not doing that. So the question that I have is, was the Biden administration just so bad that they've realized they can just make empty promises, not do shit that they said they were going to do?
00:16:19.000And and we're so traumatized from the previous administration that we'll wait patiently.
00:16:24.960Oh, no, no, he's going to do it now. Now it's like anything's better than Biden. Anything's better than what we just went through.
00:16:29.860Yeah, I think that that was the whole plan, man. Like for me, I've always been apolitical.
00:16:35.360I just exposed both sides. Like for me, I feel like I can see through both sides of the aisle and at the very top, they're working together.
00:16:42.560I mean, for for Trump to be able to to implement Project Stargate on day one, there had to have been something implemented before he got back in for that to even happen.
00:16:53.940You know what I mean? For that to even be a possibility. So something had to have been in place.
00:16:59.660And just before Biden, well, quote unquote, Biden, you know, left office, he him and his administration already put that the foundation for Project Stargate in place.
00:17:10.460But to me, from what from what I see is that the whole 2016 to 2020. Right.
00:17:18.180He Trump himself made a whole bunch of empty promises, which, you know, like most politicians do.
00:17:23.660But he spoke a lot of rhetoric and he he appealed to people's emotions and patriotism, most of all, which is highly ingrained with us in Western society.
00:17:33.680And then they knew that he was not getting the support that he that they all expected.
00:17:40.160So they put Biden in after that just to wreck everything in general, just to have this perception that he's wrecking and destroying everything so that the American people would beg for Trump back.
00:17:52.460And there would be no doubt that he couldn't win. It's like it's like a gigantic Hegelian dialectic. Right.
00:17:58.200And that's exactly what I believe happened. And, you know, even between Trump's time out of office back to when he got in now, like the world was kind of focused on Trump still.
00:18:09.240I mean, he was getting, you know, the what the Israeli Heritage Foundation Prince of Peace Award, right?
00:19:08.780Yeah. Yeah. Right. What's going on there? They couldn't have got a better photo with that.
00:19:13.500And so what ends up happening is this guy says that his eardrum is going to be burst and that when he hits the floor, he's going to be on fire for Jesus.
00:19:23.760And I've yet to see any of that there. You know, it didn't burst his eardrum.
00:19:29.460David, this is actually interesting. So the guy on his right.
00:19:32.840Is this the same guy that that pops up all the time next to next to Donald Trump? I forget his name.
00:19:37.740I'm not familiar with this guy. He doesn't look the guy on his right.
00:19:41.340OK, on our right. Not the not the overtly Jewish guy, the guy with the mustache.
00:19:46.040There's a guy that was supposed to have been in in the towers on 9-11 and he like that day decided to break his schedule.
00:19:54.900And oh, that's like the story of every single one of our celebrities in the in the early 2000s.
00:20:00.520So like I think Matt Damon was also supposed to be on there or some shit like that.
00:20:03.640There's a lot of celebrities that were supposed to be.
00:20:05.280There's a guy now that's always floating around Trump. Man, I forgot his name.
00:20:08.440I was just looking him up the other day.
00:20:10.160So you're talking about you're talking about what's his name?
00:20:14.080The secretary of Howard Lutnick. That's not Lutnick.
00:20:16.580Lutnick. Yeah, that's not that's a doctor.
00:20:19.860I've covered the Israel Heritage Foundation on many streams.
00:20:22.340It says Cantor Fitzgerald. Is that is that the name?
00:20:26.140Yeah, that would be Howard Lutnick's company.
00:20:27.720That's his company that like everybody died in the towers.
00:20:36.440What a coincidence. And now he's just like kind of always over Trump's Trump's shoulder.
00:20:41.520And it seems like he's his hand. It's very strange stuff.
00:20:44.120That's Dr. Joseph Frager, who was a physician who's backed Trump for a very long time.
00:20:48.560The guy that was in the picture. That's who he is.
00:20:51.160That's another thing that happened, too, is during a time where, you know, it's it's like Trump.
00:20:55.220Then his administration are doing all these things that go against the interest of his base.
00:20:58.520But his base just keeps going along with it.
00:21:00.140You saw a very similar thing when he had those like 32 misdemeanors and one felony levied against him.
00:21:06.280And then that ended up falling through. But because of that.
00:21:09.420Right. It's like all 33 accounts fell through.
00:21:13.140And therefore, it's obvious that they're persecuting an innocent man.
00:21:16.880And during that time, you saw a lot of people galvanized to him again.
00:21:20.940Right. Because there are these moments that come along and people galvanized to Trump.
00:21:23.680Certainly the assassination attempt is one of them.
00:21:25.440But a lot of those same people that were now espousing Trump sentiments were just complaining about Israel and Israel's influence in American politics.
00:21:37.100And then you look at all the ways in which he's tied to these rabbinic Jews in Israel and his relationship with Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:21:44.320And it was just weird because that was a very potent talking point for a lot of people.
00:21:49.500And they fucking put that to the side as soon as their boy had those 33 accounts dropped against him.
00:21:53.540And this was this is also kind of like this weird push and pull with Donnie because we've had him on multiple times.
00:21:59.640And he originally came on because he was one of the first people we heard calling Trump the Antichrist.
00:22:04.640So we're like, all right, you know, break that down.
00:22:06.540And we had that episode with him. We had a couple more.
00:22:11.960And but now that he's been elected and like some other things have transpired with Donnie, it's just like his rhetoric now has shifted to like we got to stop with the Jews.
00:22:21.360And I was like, I understand that. I understand that there is like some kind of formation going on.
00:22:26.900But if we're going to look at this objectively and say that there's nothing wrong here, we're being dishonest with the people that we're that we're speaking to.
00:22:35.260There's a way to talk about this. And there's a very nuanced way.
00:22:38.140Like we have to bring names. We have to bring facts.
00:22:39.960We have to actually understand what's going on and a better way to we have to bring a better way to address it, I suppose, which I don't think I've done a good job at addressing what should be done.
00:22:51.740But there certainly should be some action.
00:22:54.360And that kind of leads into what happened is the narrative has become just reductive.
00:22:58.720Right. It's just like Jews. And that's it.
00:23:02.640Like I was on Stu Peters actually saying the same thing as Jeremy, where I was saying that, you know, Trump's election and his his loss of that previous election looks a lot to me like.
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00:23:56.280If I were president during COVID and the economy of the entire world was trashed under my watch, I wouldn't want to then preside over it for the next four years.
00:24:06.640I'd let that cool down, let some idiot take place.
00:24:09.940And, you know, there was even reports like like Trump knew they knew about all these hot spots where there would be election interference and he did nothing to stop it.
00:24:17.600And they were, you know, Republicans were like, I don't understand.
00:24:20.400How come you didn't put people in there to stop this?
00:24:22.760It's like, yeah, I was one of those people were like, why didn't you do it?
00:24:26.140But then, you know, thinking about it after a while, I was like, well, why would you?
00:24:30.240If somebody is going to steal something that I don't particularly want right now, I'd let them go and take it.
00:24:36.000And then I'd hop in later as the savior and kind of do what I'm doing now.
00:24:40.840But yeah, it does play hand in hand with this like, like this is how bad it's gotten.
00:24:45.700Now I kind of walk back in and he can do whatever he wants.
00:24:50.120And we're seeing it right now, especially with the MRNA stuff, like how big of a failure that was.
00:24:54.860And he'll walk right back in for day one, $500 billion.
00:24:58.120We're going to we're going to fund this.
00:25:17.900He's he's talking about another coming pandemic.
00:25:21.000This this video just dropped sometime in this past week.
00:25:24.800One of the things that's wild about it is as he's saying it, this fucking dude is doing a lot of this shit.
00:25:29.940Like for the audience who's listening and they can't see he's doing a lot of like, you know, speaking with his it looks like spellcraft.
00:25:38.420Honestly, it looks like spellcraft to me.
00:25:39.960There's certain moments in that video where if you watch like a, you know, a 10 second chunk of it in particular, he is doing it looks like he's casting spells with his hands as he's as he's getting ready to.
00:25:51.520And, you know, it's a spell of what trauma and fear across the entire nation all over again.
00:25:56.740I don't know if if I really expect that to come.
00:25:59.200I do know that there was a woman a long time ago who wrote a book about a coming pandemic that was going to be of a coronavirus nature and and it was going to grip the entire planet.
00:26:08.840All this shit was going to happen and then it was going to mystically disappear and then come back again.
00:26:57.160And I'm not I'm not one for making laws, but like, guys, what are we doing here?
00:27:01.600Like if we we have to have some sort of boundaries as a society and this ain't it, man.
00:27:06.120But I do believe that he will eventually Trump will fulfill if he is the Antichrist or if it is some sort of like ploy or whatever.
00:27:18.380But if he's kind of going with what Alice Bailey said as far as the coming, quote unquote, Great White Lodge or the Synod Masters unveiling themselves to the world, which are just, you know, demons.
00:27:29.400You know, then you will have the arrest of the old world order.
00:27:33.460If you're looking at it from a biblical perspective, the heartlet, which Fauci would represent someone within the heartlet, right?
00:27:39.760That would eventually be held accountable by Trump if he is the Antichrist, if he's bringing in the beast world order.
00:27:47.560It almost makes me wonder if they're kind of doing like the P.T. Barnum effect where they're trying to get like maximum like psychographical spiritual manipulation on people where they have them on bated breath, like the edge of their seats, just waiting for it to happen, you know, and we'll see.
00:28:06.240There's a possibility that none of it happens at all.
00:28:10.300You know, it could be that way as well, too.
00:28:13.700You know, as far as Donnie, like I've been following him for a long time and I saw kind of like this change of progression of things that he was saying.
00:28:24.500He was being influenced a lot by John Blanchett from E511 Ministries and kind of taking the position that we're not supposed to expose the current world order or the heartlet in any fashion because it helps the Antichrist.
00:28:37.900It helps the coming beast system when in reality, you know, as we're supposed to be watchmen on the wall and we're supposed to shine light in their fruitful deeds of darkness.
00:28:46.800You know, I think we are supposed to call out, you know, within reason and try to be factually accurate as much as humanly possible, you know, what's going on in the atrocities that are occurring that even the heartlet or the current world order is still doing.
00:29:01.560I think there's nothing wrong with calling out the crimes of BB Net Yahoo and the Israeli government, obviously, of things that are going and occurring in Israel, right, or the crimes of the Mossad, you know, throughout history.
00:29:16.180I see no issue with, you know, calling out powerful Jewish leaders and the organizations that they fund and, you know, follow the money and all that and everything.
00:29:25.080I see that's something that I think that we should be doing just like, you know, they actually John would argue you shouldn't be doing that about Freemasonry.
00:29:31.480You shouldn't be doing that about Jesuitism, you know, which I think is a flawed logic.
00:29:36.600I think that's a flawed logic of Donnie and I think that's a flawed logic of John and I think that we are supposed to call these things out.
00:29:42.580And so, you know, it's concerning to me when they're like, no, don't do this.
00:29:48.320And again, you mentioned Messiah 2030.
00:29:50.840My friend Aaron Foshman from Underground Publishing did a really good video kind of exposing that that actually might set people up for kind of like, like, if the early church said roughly be about 2000 years, the earth's been about 7000 years old.
00:30:04.880So it would be around 2032, 2033 is when Jesus Christ returns if we are entering into the seven-year tribulation, right?
00:30:13.220So going back to 2030, which actually would disarm a whole bunch of people, it may actually set them up to accept the Antichrist or maybe accept, you know, practicing the Noahide laws in the Second Temple, right?
00:30:24.340So, you know, there is kind of like maybe some Jewish Zionist influence in Messiah 2030.
00:30:32.420And so I'm not saying that Donnie specifically knows that he's setting people up for that as a possibility, but it does seem like that that could be the case, right?
00:30:43.080So, again, it's worrisome to me that Donnie is like, don't expose Israel.
00:30:51.460Don't do it within a biblical perspective in that we're here to preach the gospel to the Jewish people.
00:30:58.240So just like with any pagan, we're called to love them, we're called to preach the gospel to them in the hopes that they do become born again, they do become saved.
00:31:05.660As Paul said, though, they did reject Jesus Christ as the Messiah, therefore they are partially blind.
00:31:10.620And again, it's a whole other discussion, like, what are the Jewish people?
00:31:13.700You know, are we just talking about a collective group of people that are just pagans, you know?
00:31:19.840Like, and then the whole Khazar theory, like, that's a whole other discussion too, right, in and of itself.
00:31:24.560But I do believe that, you know, the world is coming together, I guess, in closing, as the noticing is happening, the controlled noticing, right?
00:31:35.860So as, you know, people are finally learning about the corruption of powerful Jewish elites and the Israeli government, it's being not focused per se on that, it's being focused as collective Jews as a whole.
00:31:51.580And the problem with that is, is then people start having hate in their heart, and they start getting angry at people that don't necessarily, you know, they don't deserve that wrath.
00:32:01.220You know, so people end up becoming emotional instead of being logical, so instead of actually calling out who we really need to call out.
00:32:09.820And again, I believe the mystery Babylon is Jerusalem.
00:32:13.900I believe it will be destroyed, right?
00:32:56.660We have to dismount on that because we're actually at the 32 mark.
00:32:59.620And I, I do want to address something, and this is probably a little bit of bait for the audience, but it just kind of organically came about.
00:33:07.080Given a comment right here by politics is Masonic Theater says, Donnie really believing that Trump is the Antichrist, then having a separate account, leading people to the Antichrist for money is a huge indicator of his true heart and intentions.
00:33:22.200Now, I want to address that, but we do have to close this out because we're at the 32 minute mark.
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00:35:11.300I had to like yell at him like, you know, this is my show, you know, like claim dominance over my show.
00:35:21.460It was never even really supposed to be a debate.
00:35:23.000But when it turned into sort of a debate, the last thing that I was going to do and I didn't do it was start to bring up this thing because I, although it is part of it, I feel like it's a little underhanded.
00:35:36.800Like I wanted to, if we're going to argue about the merits of whatever the Jews are and whatever Israel is, let's do that.
00:35:42.900And not, it has nothing to do with what Donnie is or what he's not, which is that that's a whole nother subject.
00:35:50.840If he came here to talk about that, then we would have talked about that.
00:35:53.200But I do want to hear the air for the audience about what it is that that happened to Donnie as far as, and I think I'll be fair in this.
00:36:00.920As far as my awareness goes, it's Donnie started off as a conservative character in a sort of, you know, conservative influencer space, ended up having quite a bit of success there, predominantly on Facebook, Meta, and apparently got to the extent where he was making quite a bit of money off of that.
00:36:21.320And this sort of being a black dude in a conservative space, not only is it, it's got a virality to it, it's, yeah, it's novel, I guess you could say, but it also attracts other people.
00:36:33.520So I forget exactly who he said got interested in that account, but it's my understanding that it was actually bought from him.
00:36:40.220And so was his likeness because it was his account.
00:36:43.380So he no longer runs it, but did run it for a long time.
00:36:47.500Now, even though he says that, I have seen people bring up that that account is still active.
00:36:54.540So you have to decide whether or not somebody else has actually purchased it from Donnie Darkin.
00:37:00.340And this has happened to me, but like a much lesser level.
00:37:03.860I was doing my top lobster thing, selling my shirts.
00:37:07.140I was in the libertarian space at the time.
00:37:10.000Very goofy, anti-state, stuff like this.
00:37:12.880Because in my personal life, I was working for the MTA, which is a state organization.
00:37:18.720And it's hard to, you know, square that circle in a way.
00:37:23.120And that's, in my opinion, it's a lesser infraction, but it's how I was putting food on the table for my kids for the, you know, five years before I got into this political space.
00:37:32.720Eventually, I had enough conviction to be like, okay, number one, I don't want to work for anybody.
00:37:39.520And number two, I don't like making my money this way.
00:37:46.700You know, I was like there getting money from taxes, from other people.
00:37:51.800It's like when you work for the city or the state in a city job like that, you realize how like disgusting and upside down the incentives are.
00:37:59.660So, I was like, I did my best to get out of it and I did.
00:38:02.720I grew my company and I grew a bunch of other things and I was able to even leave the state.
00:38:08.260So, I don't know what Donnie's reasoning is and I also don't even care.
00:38:13.520But I do understand that if this is how you're feeding your family and you're getting paid by it, it's like, I get it.
00:38:19.320You need to, you need to segue off of it.
00:38:23.860You need to have segued or started to try at least.
00:38:26.700Because once you've, you had the conviction that like, oh shit, this guy's the antichrist and you really believe that if you do, you have to start making moves to get away from that.
00:38:36.460And again, understand that you feed your family that way.
00:38:39.380But neither here nor there, that's what I think was going on with him.
00:38:43.160I don't think it's really applicable as much to the conversation.
00:38:46.340But John, you actually, you brought up a point where you do think it's applicable to the conversation.
00:38:51.620You think that there might be some deception or misleading from him?
00:38:54.900Yeah, I've been following Donnie, Donnie discerned or Mark Lutchman for a very long period of time.
00:39:00.740And I had my own concerns about certain things that I was seeing.
00:39:07.300And actually, there were people who had brought to my attention that he was still running this account, you know, for a little bit.
00:39:16.180And we were trying to figure out, okay, like, well, what do we do with this information?
00:39:19.560And then it kind of got pushed forward.
00:39:59.820And to his credit, Donnie has exposed, you know, me personally to a lot of things that if I didn't know about Trump, I wouldn't be as suspicious of him as I am.
00:40:09.740And so I imagine there's a vetting process, right?
00:40:12.760You're like, I don't know if this is real what I'm looking at because I know what it's like when I discover something.
00:40:18.380You know, and it takes some time to kind of, so in that period, I imagine there is, you have your foot definitively in both worlds.
00:40:25.160It depends when the time, the timeline is though.
00:40:28.120That's the thing is, is like, there's a lot of discrepancies with what he's saying and it doesn't add up with, with the story of at least what it seems to be.
00:40:35.820So again, like how long, how long was he, how long was he posting, putting up content, content as Mark Lutchman, who again has this kind of circle of this council for national policy nexus around him, right?
00:40:51.300Candace Owens, he had mentioned Nicholas J. Fuentes, he had mentioned, you know, so that, that's kind of weird.
00:40:56.040And then, and then like, how long was he double-minded in that he believed Trump was the Antichrist and, but yet was still posting these things.
00:41:05.740And then later selling his account, knowing that this would go further and, and further continue the delusion under Trump.
00:41:15.760Like, I understand a man's got to eat and a person's got to take care of their family.
00:41:20.500But top, I wouldn't say you as far as working for the state, but then being a libertarian, that's not, in my opinion, comparison to, to Donnie.
00:41:31.440I think what Donnie did was much more grievous.
00:41:34.100Well, if it was, if it was a comparison, I'm just making the example that like, I broke my ass to get out of it.
00:41:40.420Literally broke my ass, moved entire states, left that job.
00:41:45.140This is a job with like a pension medical, I've got two kids and a family.
00:41:50.340So, I, but I did what I had to do because I just felt a conviction.
00:42:07.100The point, the point of this argument that I had with him was, I was like, I just want to debate it on whatever you're talking about with Israel.
00:42:12.760Because if we go down this path, I could absolutely eviscerate you.
00:43:12.120And the question is, when did you sell your account knowing that it would be propagated to do, to prop up the man who you're, you know, calling the Antichrist?
00:43:22.000And when did that happen in conjunction with you knowing or not knowing?
00:43:28.960He never says definitively that he is, or maybe he does.
00:43:32.120But whenever I've spoken to him, you know, on shows, he's always like, it seems like.
00:44:17.440And it's gone instead with just a blanket, it's the Jews, full stop.
00:44:20.840And if you don't toe that line, then you're part of the problem.
00:44:23.960You're, you know, some sort of a shill or a fed that's working for the Jews.
00:44:27.420And if you try to engage in the nuance of what a Jew is, that's also an uphill battle because we've asked that question several times here.
00:44:36.540We've got a better idea every time, but there's still room for who you're calling a Jew.
00:44:41.980If you look at those entire group of people, so many of them are not even the same as one another.
00:44:46.320Then there's also this weird question of, like, it's not all Jews, sure, but the Jewish people or the Jews, because that's, oh my God, it's like the word is so, I hate the word because it's like, it means everything.
00:45:01.260So, you know, so from Dave Smith, who is, he doesn't even know his dad.
00:45:05.760He's born in Brooklyn, kind of like, you know, in a situation that I'm sort of familiar with.
00:45:10.620His mom is Jewish, wasn't even raised in the synagogue, but he's a Jew all of a sudden.
00:45:15.760And now he's identifying with this entire group of people, and they're going to be targeted because of the political elite and, you know, the business elite that are making these moves.
00:45:26.660So they identify with this side, which is, I understand, it's rational.
00:45:31.140They've also been sold the narrative, whether you, I don't care what people believe in or what they think about it, but the narrative of the Holocaust.
00:45:38.740So there is a precedent of, we will be targeted, rounded up, put in camps when they start to notice, things like this.
00:45:48.540They're not really complicit in it, but now they have a choice.
00:45:51.840My choices are to double down and go on this side and defend my culture, which I don't even know if it's your culture, that you're just called a Jew because your mother took up Judaism, I don't know, years ago.
00:46:04.820She might not even be ethnically, I don't even know what it means, but that's the side that you're on.
00:46:08.420So therefore, they have to choose, every time this comes up, every time Israel does something, they have to choose this side.
00:46:14.440That pits them against everybody else, because I'm like, this is a waste of money, this is genocide, what these people are doing is wrong, and it's clear.
00:46:23.380Like, I have zero convictions about this.
00:46:25.900What they're doing is wrong over there, but you have to defend it in self-preservation.
00:46:31.420This is a big issue as well, because they've positioned themselves, like, geniusly to scapegoat a large percentage of the population, and also give them a story, like a great backstory of they were persecuted, they built a pyramid, shit like this.
00:46:49.000You know, it's like, so where do you go?
00:46:52.040Yeah, real quick, just, do you think, real fast, I could just touch on what I think is the most damaging part of Donnie's whole situation there?
00:47:05.180So my personal belief is what I see to be the most damaging of Donnie's whole situation is that he has a tremendous amount of good research on Donald Trump and, you know, tying him to the Antichrist.
00:47:21.560I mean, I already was on this train before I even heard of Donnie, but Donnie puts it in such an articulate way that it's just really good, right?
00:47:29.060But, and so many people followed that, and the most damaging part, I think, is that because of what happened, because of what everybody found out when he was exposed, it's going, people are going to be dumb enough to negate all that research, and they're not going to know what's real.
00:47:47.460Yeah, because, you know, I had my suspicions about the Trump administration to whatever degree, but, yeah, the way that Donnie laid it out was, yeah, so if people start tossing out the baby with the bathwater on that one, that's a huge problem.
00:48:03.620So I think that, Top, it was you last time you were talking to Donnie.
00:48:06.600You said something about, like, well, Scripture says in Revelation, you know, talking about those who call themselves Jews but are the synagogue of Satan, right?
00:48:17.140And that's basically where everybody gets hung up on, you know, because that is such a good and applicable verse to what we see going on now, not only now, but even back then when it was written.
00:48:30.480So it's like, okay, well, who are these people who are supposedly Jews but are not?
00:48:35.040And the way I see it is a Jew is somebody who is in Christ Jesus.
00:49:02.300The other layer of it is we see these people who call themselves Jews now are, like you said, you know, for an example, oh, well, his mom was a Jew, so now he identifies as a Jew and blah, blah, blah.
00:49:12.640Well, they're applying like Catholics do.
00:49:15.060They apply this, like, religious term on to something and spin it ethnically.
00:49:27.580They're taking a religious term and making it into an ethnic term, okay?
00:49:32.220Now, in the end times in the Bible, it talks about 144,000, 12,000 of each tribe, right?
00:49:39.660Well, okay, so there's 144,000 in the book of Revelation that are supposedly going to come to Christ in the end.
00:49:47.120And you have 2 million plus people who call themselves Jews.
00:49:52.340Not all of them are ethnically Jewish, you know?
00:49:56.840And in the Bible, when you look at it biblically, a Jew wasn't one that was practicing the Kabbalah and the Talmud or anything.
00:50:05.320They were the ones that just came from – they came from the tribe of Judah, and they followed God, and they practiced the law, the Torah, the real Torah, the first five books of the Bible, and the law is in there.
00:50:19.020And they practiced that, and they were just identified as Jews.
00:50:23.820They were somebody – a group of people that were just part of one of the 12 tribes, okay?
00:50:29.800It had nothing to do with the land specifically of Israel.
00:50:34.400And by that, I mean Israel was split between Judah and Israel at that point too, you know what I mean?
00:51:07.540They're not even practicing the same exact things as they were doing in the Old Testament.
00:51:11.460They went off to practice something that was absolutely against God.
00:51:16.180So why would they – like if I was a Christian, right, I call myself a Christian, and I went and I started worshiping other gods and practicing magic, would I still be a Christian?
00:51:24.960No, I was – this is one of the important points that I was bringing up as well with him where it's like, well, number one, like you said, these people who say that they're Jews now that are in Israel, they practice this modern-day Judaism, which in my opinion, after like some research here, it seems like a response to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
00:51:47.200The Mishnah and the Babylonian Talmud were created or formed 200 to 500 years after his death.
00:51:53.400So by, you know, by any kind of logic, you're like, okay, this is clearly a response.
00:51:59.100It's an organized religion that's formed after this has happened.
00:52:03.740Like they had to get their shit together.
00:52:05.300They're like, oh, man, you know, these guys are moving forward with our religion.
00:52:11.520So when I look at Israel, who says that their law is based on Talmudic rule, on the Talmudic law, their laws of their state, it's pretty clear which form of Judaism they're coming from.
00:52:25.000And then I'm watching their style of Judaism be tagged onto Christianity with this Judeo-Christian values tag.
00:52:36.540It borders in the realm of, I guess, like, I would even call myself anti-Semitic when I start to hear this stuff because I literally do hate it.
00:52:44.500It's a disgusting perversion and it's like a leech on the asshole of what is supposed to be Christianity.
00:52:51.660And when I look around at the church, I'm like, no wonder why I don't really jive with this place, man.
00:52:55.920It's like you come in here and it's like there's an Israeli flag flown right next to America and everybody here is from, you know, everyone here is from the Schofield Bible Institution, which is something that got brought up as well with Donnie, where I'm like, well, you define it.
00:53:21.020And when I look at when I look around at Christians, not not all of them, but, you know, most of them have these Zionist tendencies and they can't really explain why.
00:53:29.100It's like, well, maybe because the guy that you're learning from every Sunday had to study this this sort of, you know, the commentary of this sort of Bible.
00:53:37.860So that's why you're getting this interpretation.
00:53:41.340I don't know that that's one of the main things that I had, the main issues that I had with not being able to call this out.
00:53:47.200It's like, I understand that God has this, God has a grand plan and things will go this way.
00:53:52.440But aren't we supposed to defend what at least what we think Christianity is or was supposed to be?
00:54:10.960Yeah, I would think what's hard is that it's so multilayered, dude.
00:54:15.160It's kind of hard to like articulate and put into like this neat little package of what's really going on.
00:54:20.300But we know it's multilayered, like everything that you're saying, plus the fact that, you know, like in Christianity, Christian Zionism, they're all basically starting this off of this whole movement off one verse.
00:54:32.840And in the book of Genesis that has nothing to do with Israel, Israel wasn't even a country when this verse was written.
00:54:39.980I can't I don't remember the verse off the top of my head, but, you know, it's you guys probably.
00:54:45.160You probably know what if I said it's like, we'll bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.
00:54:53.480Everybody in this dispensationalist theology applies that as speaking of Israel.
00:55:01.060And that's why they give their money to Israel.
00:55:02.760They back them no matter what they do, because they're afraid they're going to get cursed if they don't.
00:55:08.240But if you were to just go take two seconds to go read the whole verse and, you know, a couple of verses above and a couple of verses below, you'll see that has nothing to do with the state of Israel at all.
00:55:19.020You know, and the promise was made to Abraham, says Genesis 22, 18.
00:55:28.340And in thy sea shall nations of the earth be blessed because thou hast obeyed my voice.
00:55:33.280So it's not the Jewish people themselves.
00:55:36.880And Abraham was a Gentile at that time.
00:55:39.600It was it was through him and his faith shall this occur.
00:55:43.100And then, of course, Paul ropes that back in in Galatians 3, 16, saying now the promises were spoken to Abraham into a seed.
00:55:50.900He does not say into seeds as one in referring to many, but rather as into referring to one and into your seed that is Christ.
00:55:58.360So, again, you know, the remnant that has always existed, whether it was in the Old Testament, those who had faith in God and those who believe in the coming promise of a Messiah, right, which was Jesus, right?
00:56:15.700You know, you know, at the time of Jesus, the time of the New Testament, they became Christians.
00:56:20.720And you had just because because someone, you know, was an Israelite did not necessarily mean that they were saved or they followed God.
00:56:29.080You know, there's there's only a remnant of people that have believed, you know, throughout history of the promise of the Messiah are now to be born again.
00:56:37.100Obviously, you have to believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only Messiah.
00:56:40.340And so that makes us, you know, as many people have termed termed spiritual Israel, right?
00:56:45.080That makes us an heir to the promise, as Paul said, and it's always been by a person's belief in God.
00:56:51.620It wasn't who they were, you know, ethnically, you know, because there are righteous Gentiles even mentioned in the Bible, for example, in the lineage of Jesus, like Rahab the heartlet, right?
00:57:03.340So, again, it was those who had faith in God is what separated them apart.
00:57:10.100And it's hard for a lot of the Zionist Christians to understand that because they've been taught that it's through Israel.
00:57:18.520It's almost like a kind of like a Talmud, a Talmudic belief that like in a lot of of the kind of Orthodox Jews, especially the Jewish supremacist groups like Habad Lubavitch, believe that them themselves, the Jews will be the savior of humanity.
00:58:00.220It's people taking these scriptures and turning them now, again, I'm not a dispensationalist, but I do believe that Israel will play a role as in, you know, the country, the geographic location in the end times.
00:58:14.520I do believe that Jerusalem, the heart, you know, mystery Babylon is Jerusalem.
00:58:18.820I do believe that there will be people who call themselves Jews that will turn to Jesus Christ through the destruction of Jerusalem.
00:58:26.040OK, so I do think that this will happen.
00:58:28.160Now, some people again, some people call me a replacement theologist because of that.
00:58:32.860And then the dispensationalist will call me an anti-Semitic, anti-Zionist person.
00:58:38.420You know, so it's like I'm neither, but that's where they're going to they're going to try to put me in some camp.
00:58:43.820Right. So I guess in closing to all that, what makes a person.
00:58:50.400An Israelite, what makes a person a believer in God, you know, someone who has faith.
00:58:55.980Is someone now who is born again in the Old Testament, it was someone who had faith upon the promise.
00:59:01.960Right. That's separated the rest of the world.
00:59:05.500Yes, because of the new covenant. Yes.
00:59:07.820So this is something that I actually asked on the show that we did with Donnie, and I'd like to get your take on it.
00:59:15.000We talked about briefly for a moment there, Revelation three, nine and at the risk of beating it to death.
00:59:19.640And somebody who's understanding of the Bible is very limited myself.
00:59:24.920This is something that we, meaning people with limited information, biblical information, will repeat constantly.
00:59:32.240And it's this idea that, you know, there will be those who call themselves Jews but are not.
00:59:37.160And my question about that verse is, is that an indication that we are meant to draw a distinction?
00:59:43.620Should we be spending our time, because it feels like we should be, trying to parse out who is a Jew and who is not a Jew?
00:59:55.060And one of the things that makes me compelled to do that is that, obviously, right now, the whole thing has been astroturfed and removed of nuance.
01:00:03.300And if everybody is going to be blanketly saying it's the Jews, then somebody has to add some nuance to that conversation.
01:00:44.940You know, it's a whole other discussion about the mountain Jews, not to get too far off tangent.
01:00:48.700But, you know, again, they say that they could be the Khazars if you look in their own history and scholarship of the mountain Jews, right?
01:00:58.000So, again, we have a discussion, like, what is a Jew?
01:01:02.980Again, is a Jew, which I would say an Israelite, is it a born-again Christian?
01:01:09.720You know, if we're talking about spiritual Israel, right?
01:01:11.700And then so then you would look at everyone else who does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
01:01:17.000That would make them, you know, if we're using English terminology, a pagan or a nonbeliever, right?
01:01:22.400Right. So, again, the synagogue of Satan, those who profess themselves to be not.
01:01:26.300You have Christians that claim to be Christian but aren't born again.
01:01:31.580And so you could say the same thing, you know, as far as the Jewish people are concerned.
01:01:36.260Right. Obviously, you know, they claim that they follow God, but they don't because Jesus himself said that to know the Father, to have a restored relationship with the Father, you have to have a relationship with the Son.
01:01:47.000So, you have to know Jesus Christ. You have to believe that he's the one and only Messiah.
01:02:15.920And so you have a kind of parallel to that belief as well, where you can go, maybe this might be a little too far, but you could go, you know, Christians, their father's God.
01:02:26.640A non-believer, whether they realize it or not, is their father the devil, okay?
01:02:32.340So, you could go that far as well, too, right?
01:02:35.400So, again, you know, the Jews claim they cry out, Abba, Father, but because of, you know, the New Testament, the New Covenant, we know they don't know who the Father is.
01:02:47.960But then again, so does, for example, I'm French and Scottish, you know, my ancestry was paganism.
01:02:57.560They may have claimed that they knew some sort of father, right?
01:03:03.340So, again, it's a discussion, like, and there's no issue, I have no issue at all, and I do on my channel, calling out the Zionist power within the world order, okay?
01:03:15.140And discussing my issues with the Israeli government and everything like that.
01:03:20.380But, again, I don't think it's every single Jewish person that is on the face of this earth, you know, that in and of themselves are part of some grand conspiracy.
01:03:29.420And, again, I think they're pagans that we're supposed to preach the gospel to and show them love to the best of our ability, though we all fall short.
01:03:35.620Because, in the end, yes, maybe this subsect group of people, if we're looking at it from kind of like a Schofield lens, which they don't, this is interesting.
01:03:47.280Again, Paul says they're partially blind, which means their hearts are partially hardened against God, which means they're going to take more of an Antichrist standpoint than a Gentile would, right?
01:03:59.300But they don't even look at it that way.
01:04:01.520They look at the Jewish people that live around the world as working hand-in-hand with Christians.
01:04:08.440As you mentioned earlier, Judeo-Christian, right?
01:04:17.780There's no looking through Scripture and realizing.
01:04:20.680You even have the hyper-dispensationalism, one last thing I'll say, which will say you don't even have to preach the gospel to the Jews.
01:04:28.020They're God's chosen people, which the Bible says anyone who has faith in God, especially anyone who's born again now because of the new covenant, they are, to a degree, chosen.
01:04:40.440But they say you don't even have to preach the gospel to them.
01:04:47.600Well, you had Andrew Clavin saying that Ben Shapiro didn't have to give up all his stuff because if he believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah and became born again, he would be ostracized and all these bad things would happen to him and he'd lose all this money, right?
01:05:00.500When Jesus, in the parable of the rich ruler, says the rich ruler has to forsake his riches specifically because that's what he idolizes.
01:05:07.200That's what keeps him from following Jesus.
01:05:15.360Clavin claims to be a Christian, but yet doesn't understand the basic core tenets of the New Testament and the New Covenant, that Benji does have to forsake all that to choose Jesus to be born again.
01:05:30.240It's a psyop from both ends, but the Christ is king thing, you know, there are people who are atheists or non-religious and they use it as a hammer.
01:05:38.580I think it's very funny, but what it exposes is the people that they're hitting it with and they're like, oh, these people aren't even Christian.
01:05:48.760They're using it as an anti-Semitic trope.
01:05:50.480It was like, well, why are you reacting like if I threw worms on a frying pan when they say this thing?
01:05:55.380It's like, because you, you actually hate this guy.
01:06:10.280I can't, I don't know the hearts of all of these people, so I can't say that you do hate us.
01:06:14.540But I, I have been part of the church where there was a, like, you know, ministry, the pastor of my old church in Brooklyn, he was big in the Jews for Jesus ministry.
01:07:01.360Like if once you, once you've told me no in, you know, no uncertain terms and the way that they've done it, we're like, all right, well, next, next, you know, you've chosen your fate.
01:07:10.460But how many times are you going to get spit on?
01:07:12.740How many times do they have to outwardly tell you that they hate you, that they think that your Messiah is burning in piss and excrement for you to continue to go back?
01:07:25.840You're called to cast your pearls before swine and not cast your pearls before swine, meaning if someone rejects the gospel, you walk away.
01:07:32.260Because that actually might entice them further, you know?
01:07:35.180So, again, it's a balance where the Holy Spirit calls you, and Judas says you save some people by showing the love of Christ, and by others, you preach hellfire to them in the hopes that they can be saved, right?
01:07:44.020So, again, like, there is not casting your pearls before swine.
01:07:47.460If someone's rejecting you like that, we're called to go, okay, fine, whatever.
01:07:56.220Now, that doesn't mean collective Jews as a whole, okay?
01:07:58.440Because there are Jews who do come to Christ still to this day, and there will be Jews who come to Christ in the future, but there is kind of this balance, and it's hard because it does – when I see Jewish people spitting on Christians, it does make me upset in the flesh.
01:08:11.640I'm not going to tell you otherwise that it doesn't, but it should not lead me to wrath and hate, which are sin in and of themselves.
01:08:18.200Getting righteously anger – angry isn't a sin.
01:08:20.820It just depends on what you do with it.
01:08:22.060Yeah, I had to, like, separate those emotions because I was, like, man, maybe 20 when I was seeing this stuff.
01:08:28.980So, it's, like, first you're, like, oh, my God, I really don't like these people.
01:08:33.460And after a while, I'm just, like, you know what?
01:08:35.320I just want nothing to do with you because I've seen this behavior constantly.
01:08:38.980I'm, like, why would I continue to get spit on?
01:08:41.600And I don't know what the right answer is, but what feels right to me is just be, like, yo, I'm out of here.
01:08:47.080You're not going to disrespect me in this way.
01:08:49.240You're not going to tell me that I'm, like, like an animal or whatever.
01:08:52.800Now that I've read the Talmud, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm good.
01:09:07.880A lot of what Donnie was saying – I mean, I could be mischaracterizing his argument.
01:09:13.060It was a wild episode, but is this idea that, like, we're just not supposed to engage in this any other way, but preaching to them and praying for them.
01:09:21.540Well, yeah, because, like, he was saying that the prophecy says that this will happen and it will play out this way.
01:09:26.920But I'm kind of making the point, like, all right, you know, although things do look like they're playing out to 2030, 2033 or whatever it is, nobody knows the time and day.
01:10:21.420Like, because addressing it is also inflaming it because the more you address it and the more people see that to be the truth, then the more people go forward and, you know, everybody's journey is their own.
01:10:33.300How do you keep them from developing a viewpoint that's absent of nuance?
01:10:38.460There's no way because you're not we're not like the thought leaders in this where it's like it needs to be addressed.
01:10:44.500And then it needs to be told, like, to everybody's like, OK, take a step back, take a breather.
01:10:48.720This isn't the first time this has happened.
01:13:14.980Yeah, I believe that – I've covered it on my channel.
01:13:17.120I believe that the tribe of Dan that was northern Israel had boats mingled in with the Greco-Roman population and then later went up towards Scandinavian, the Vikings, the Danish.
01:13:32.500And so Trump, unlike most of – I think among all of the United States presidents, his heritage is Danish and Scottish, which some Jews also say the tribe of Ephraim is Scotland.
01:13:47.620So then you would have both tribes that are removed from the book of Revelation, which is Ephraim and Dan, would be Trump's heritage.
01:13:59.360Now, if he turns out the Antichrist, that's pretty strong proof.
01:14:03.580If he's not, then it's not – he's not.
01:14:05.360But the early church did think that the Antichrist would come out of the tribe of Dan, and the tribe of Dan, the symbology for it as far as the flag, what it represented as a tribe of Israel, is a snake.
01:14:15.960And Trump keeps saying the snake poem over and over and over again, right?
01:16:03.960So I thought it was bullshit initially, and then when we looked into it, like, no, it's totally real, and her lawyer said they won't comment on what it is.
01:16:13.360And you could say like, okay, yeah, sure, she's Donald Trump's wife, so they just tossed the bitch a fucking –
01:16:18.180It was an Einstein visa, which is like a –
01:16:51.040I was going to say, I don't even know if this is true, but from what I heard is that she's from like this European oligarch family, like this rich royal family.
01:17:02.240I don't know, but that narrative that we have of like the trafficking and everything, I mean maybe, you know, in the modeling career, like what they did say was that she certainly was not successful enough in her modeling career to win a genius level visa by way of that.
01:17:19.240That is not where it came from because I suspected that too, but they, you know, they went on to –
01:18:12.940Yeah, so I think when he was getting sworn in or something like that, she was standing behind him in this really like iconic sort of lady suit.
01:18:23.100I don't know what the hell you call those things, but she has this hat, right?
01:18:26.640That's where the hat man memes came from.
01:18:28.420And I'm looking at the hat, and I'm like, that's one thing.
01:18:30.880But everything is black, and she's got this white, perfect, inverted triangle, like a V on her neck,
01:18:37.020which is huge when it comes to like, you know, esoteric, new age, Gnostic shit about the divine feminine and things like that.
01:19:29.200So there's something very strange going on.
01:19:32.660And by the way, to that guy that said that he was going to be on fire for the Lord after he had his eardrum burst, the closest thing he's done is brush against Catholicism, where he's, like, praying to the Archangel Michael, right?
01:20:15.740I mean, the things that he said about that event didn't match up in any shape or form.
01:20:23.220And it's like, okay, yeah, you can, like, throw shit against the wall, make it stick.
01:20:26.760Like, you know, it can be close, but, dude, if it's a real prophecy, if it's from God, there's not going to be a detail that's out of place.
01:20:46.860It doesn't mean that I suddenly dismiss it and go, like, oh, definitely not the Antichrist because it wasn't on the button.
01:20:52.060Instead, I kind of go, what the hell are they doing?
01:20:54.180But why are they trying to make this motherfucker look like the Antichrist?
01:20:57.820And so I don't know what to – how to place that.
01:21:01.420But to your point, yeah, his eardrum didn't burst or anything like that, and he wasn't on fire for the Lord afterwards.
01:21:06.100We've not seen him go on some giant, you know, Jesus Christ campaign afterwards.
01:21:10.540And it's my understanding that Brandon Biggs has gotten a lot wrong in the past.
01:21:14.160I don't think that I had somebody complaining in my comments, I think, yesterday saying, like, oh, you guys, basically, anything that seems spiritual, you guys just claim it's of the devil or it's of demons.
01:21:28.740I'm like, that's definitely not what we do on this show.
01:21:31.500And I'm not saying that there's no space for people with a prophetic gift.
01:21:36.080But that's actually – you know what I mean?
01:21:37.500This is one of the – another issue that we had butting up against Donnie.
01:21:46.280He didn't – he wouldn't call me outright.
01:21:47.800That's why, like, towards the end of it, I don't know if you guys listened to the entire thing, I started to get a little bit more hostile because I was like, listen, motherfucker.
01:21:58.620You're comparing me to David Icke, but I was kind of making the comparison that, like, yeah, some of these weird new-age principles are – they do overlap with Christianity because they are true in a certain way.
01:22:12.800But it's not to say that the new-age philosophy is correct.
01:22:17.480It's to say that, like, well, yeah, they kind of understand a little bit how this works.
01:22:22.260And I think that, you know, older Christians understood how this realm works as well, and they just co-opted it.
01:22:28.200And then they tell you the one big lie that I know that they tell you is that, like, you are God.
01:22:35.800We can ascend, yada, yada, nonsense, nonsense.
01:22:38.300But as far as, like, I don't know, a lot of these other weird spiritual things that happen, they're cited in the Bible as well.
01:22:44.420So I'm like, why do you keep calling me that, and why when these, like, principles are brought up because they are true, why am I compared to a David Icke who's, you know, preaching a fake gospel?
01:23:39.380And it's like, if you could just not jump to conclusions, if you could just stay in there and hang and keep researching and keep having faith, keep praying to God for discernment and to keep him in alignment with or keep you in alignment with his will, you can get there.
01:23:50.940But I also recognize what he's saying is like, there's so many stopping points on the way to the truth where you could just hunker down and think that this is the end point, which is what very many people have done with the Jews, but not the case for me.
01:24:04.960I continue to have old belief systems torn down and new ones take their place.
01:24:10.820Ideas that I thought were certain turn out to not be the case and that falls away and, you know, you just keep on moving.
01:24:16.860So I don't think that you can call for people to stop looking in these things.
01:24:20.800I came to I came to God through noticing all this shit and, you know, and I like I said, I do recognize that there are hurdles placed in the way where you're railroaded down this path of like truth discovery.
01:24:35.000And then something keeps standing in your way and presenting itself as the big baddie.
01:24:38.980And you go, no, no, no, no, no, you're not the big baddie.
01:24:42.240And it just happens over and over again.
01:24:43.820So how could you stand there and say that that path is not one that you should go down when it literally is the one that I went down?
01:24:50.800Well, I mean, I mean, to answer your question, you know, what you all both asked earlier, what can be done about it, even if we're living in the end times or not, you know, there's nothing wrong that I see with biblically.
01:25:04.620As long as you're using the Bible as a frame of reference, you're using it as a lens.
01:25:20.960And so, you know, just calling out what's going on, you know, what's happening over in Israel, what's happening with, you know, in the American government, with AIPAC or whatever, you know, there's nothing inherently wrong or sinful about that.
01:25:33.800You know, calling out what's happening in the world.
01:25:35.760You know, we're called to expose the fruitful deeds of darkness.
01:25:38.980We're supposed to do it, you know, biblically.
01:25:41.980So, again, that's where the balance comes into play in that I'm not going to physically rise up and join with any movement if it comes up here in the United States that starts to, you know, come against Jewish people, okay, you know, or any that would cause any violence.
01:26:04.700That'd even be—I believe Donald Trump's the Antichrist.
01:26:06.980I'm not going to form protests to try to, you know, for something to happen to him, you know.
01:26:12.040And so, just like Christians throughout history, especially if we look to the apostles and what happened to them when they were persecuted by both their quote-unquote Israeli brethren, and on top of that as well, they were persecuted by the Roman Empire.
01:27:06.700Anger and wrath, but to lead them to the gospel if they're nonbelievers or if they are believers, just to edify the body, to praise God, and to uphold their faith that they will be delivered no matter what.
01:27:18.860No matter what ends up happening, whether it's the end time or not, God will bring vengeance to those who are wicked, okay?
01:27:41.900I'm not against, obviously, calling out, you know, kind of the rising Noahide—I do on my channel, if that happens—or calling out how they're setting up anti-Semitism laws and the definition of anti-Semitism.
01:28:09.160Again, we're called to follow the laws of Christ, which is to love God with all our mind, body, and soul, and love our neighbors ourselves, right?
01:28:15.360And preach the gospel to all nations and to everyone, right?
01:28:17.860Like, outside of that, you know, again, if the government tells you to disobey that, which, again, you know, if they say you can't preach the New Testament, I'm going to disobey that, I'm going to preach the New Testament.
01:28:34.720I forget the exact scripture, but people love to use—it's like a mis—not a misquote, but it's, you know, it's often used.
01:28:40.380Like, Jesus said, you know, give unto Caesar what's due to Caesar.
01:28:43.020It's like, so he said, so what if Hitler, you know, like this kind of idea, I'm like, he's—it's a great message of like, hey, these guys will kill you.
01:29:06.820But, like, I think there was an understanding.
01:29:09.120If you were there when he's telling the people this, he's probably telling them in, like, this slick way, like, give unto Caesar because, you know, but when he's not there, we'd be talking shit again.
01:29:20.600That kind of thing, you know what I mean?
01:29:22.240It's like, there's a way to go about this stuff, like keeping your congregation or the people that you're talking to safe and not leading them down a road of destruction.
01:29:31.200But also telling them, like, hey, this is not good either.
01:29:34.040But that's what I like to think that we do on this show is, like, we talk about all these harrowing things and all this, which you could perceive as black pills if you don't absorb, you know, the majority of our content.
01:29:44.640And our message is always, like, get right with God, develop your relationship with God.
01:29:49.160And the way to God is through the sacrifice of his son, Jesus Christ.
01:29:53.040And so I don't think that there's anything wrong with that is the overarching message that we deliver.
01:30:00.360And in the meantime, we discuss all these things that we suspect are true.
01:30:04.880And we don't do any sort of calling to arms.
01:31:05.020If I'm born again, I'm not going to take the vaccine.
01:31:07.580You know, so there are things where you're able to disobey the government when the government's telling you an acceptable speed limit, right?
01:31:30.640I think the only real place that we disagreed with Donnie, and I think it's because of his fear of where that narrative is going, is whether or not we're supposed to address these things.
01:31:41.940And I think that if you're addressing these things as the truth, as a matter of fact, as we're meant to speak the truth, and not calling for people to go out then and seek vengeance and do something about it.
01:31:53.900I think people put too small of a value on just speaking the truth.
01:32:21.800That's one of the things is that for me, like, I think that it's important for people to know who they are in Christ and what the Bible says about
01:32:29.260what a born-again believer is spiritually.
01:32:33.520So, like, Christ says that we're sojourners in this land, right?
01:32:40.220We are not part of the kingdoms of this world.
01:32:42.580We're just pilgrims walking through it.
01:32:44.100So, how stupid would it be for me as an American to go over to Britain, right, and then just rise up against Britain's government over something I don't like?
01:32:58.800You can look around a lot at a lot of people thinking that they're the ones who have to take action, and they're the ones that have to rectify the situation.
01:33:08.980And you can see that in Black Lives Matter as much as you can see it in the JQ movement.
01:33:15.420And obviously, the JQ movement is founded against, but at its heart, it's, like, people that think that it's their job to take out vengeance in whatever form it is.
01:33:25.900And I don't think you want to have anything in common with other movements that are like that.
01:33:31.240If you can see that in yourself to any degree, then probably, like, pump the brakes, slow down a little bit.
01:33:36.660Right, and then we go back to Christ's words.
01:33:39.280He says, you know, love those who persecute you and love your enemies.
01:34:05.840If you're telling them the truth and love, all well.
01:34:08.560Like, that is something that needs to be done.
01:34:10.200God says to expose evil and not to be a part of the unfruitful works of darkness, right?
01:34:15.420And the way that I look at all these conspiracies and all the things that are going on that I speak about every day is I don't want to be deceived by any of it.
01:34:31.840Because these things are like the mechanics of how these prophecies are being fulfilled.
01:34:36.860You know, like the World Economic Forum and the United Nations and, you know, all these other groups that are really controlling the mechanisms of the world and where we're headed.
01:34:47.920God says these prophecies are going to happen.
01:34:49.860He doesn't say how they're going to happen.
01:34:51.180But the way I look at it is he's using these types of things, like the World Economic Forum, not that he's like, he's just allowing them to do what they're doing because it's heading in the direction God said it was going to.
01:35:05.320They're like the gears in the machine that make the product, and the product is the prophecy.
01:35:10.940Well, I mean, wherever it's going, it's going there fast, and I think we're going to see the fruits of this movement pretty soon.
01:35:22.860You just – I've been saying this for a while.
01:35:24.920It's like this conversation about Jews or any of these topics are leaving the Internet, and they're entering the household.
01:35:31.740And so whether or not people realize it, I think they're all going to be asking very similar questions to the ones that we just asked here today, which is like, what is my role in this?
01:35:42.060How am I meant to navigate this conversation?