Nephilim Death Squad - 158： Pharmaceutical Sorcery & The Death of Trust w⧸ Ricky Varandas of The Ripple Effect Podcast

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00:00:48.500 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:00:54.820 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:00:58.660 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:07.540 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely normal.

00:01:13.860 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:01:15.080 There's some Nephilim shit.

00:01:16.260 It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave.

00:01:21.740 But they controlling us now.

00:01:23.720 I know we're talking about how they made us not to be slaves.

00:01:26.860 And everybody's just walking around.

00:01:28.960 Head in the clouds.

00:01:29.620 I want to wake you to a dead in the grave.

00:01:32.080 But then it's too late.

00:01:33.040 We need to be ready to raise up.

00:01:34.900 Welcome to the end of day.

00:01:36.540 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:47.420 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a.

00:01:49.440 The Raven.

00:01:50.180 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:01:53.580 Before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30-minute preview only.

00:01:59.020 Sometime around the 30-minute mark, we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad, where you can continue enjoying an ad-free experience, enjoying the flow of the conversation, as well as engaging in the live chat.

00:02:11.160 And you can do that all for free.

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00:02:15.360 Absorb as much content as you possibly can, and then get out before the billing cycle.

00:02:18.640 You know, there is actually, actually, I think we should stop saying that.

00:02:21.840 Are they doing that?

00:02:22.620 Are they doing what I'm saying?

00:02:23.940 Well, they are.

00:02:24.700 So somebody sent us the message, and I don't even know what to do to this guy.

00:02:27.620 I guess we'll just send him his money back.

00:02:29.200 But he said, hey, I absorbed all your content, and then I fucking got out of there.

00:02:33.440 He said, I really don't.

00:02:35.820 What did he say?

00:02:36.600 He said, yeah, yeah, here is what he said.

00:02:39.220 You took $5 from my account membership, but I didn't want to be a member.

00:02:42.540 I really needed that money for food.

00:02:44.240 So if you could please refund me, that would be awesome.

00:02:46.480 Swear to God.

00:02:47.280 Oh, my God.

00:02:47.780 Let's send him double.

00:02:48.640 Let's send him $10.

00:02:49.640 He needs food?

00:02:50.800 What are you going to get from $5 of food?

00:02:52.460 Listen, let's introduce the guest.

00:02:53.860 This is wild.

00:02:54.260 Okay.

00:02:54.600 All right.

00:02:54.860 Anyway, yeah, patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:57.700 All that good stuff.

00:02:58.320 Joining us today is Ricky Verandes.

00:03:01.460 Ricky, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, let them know where they can find

00:03:05.600 your work, which is a lot of places, actually, and what it is you focus on, which is a lot

00:03:10.160 of things, actually.

00:03:12.340 Yeah.

00:03:12.660 So thanks for having me, guys.

00:03:14.040 This is going to be a blast.

00:03:15.280 I'm really excited about our conversation.

00:03:17.040 But yeah, you can get all my content at the ripple effect podcast.com or Ricky Verandes.com.

00:03:24.180 Um, I've been doing, uh, the ripple effect podcast since 2013 was kind of a musician,

00:03:31.300 um, who, and just, you know, content consumer real, just a huge fan of like documentaries,

00:03:37.860 anything that went against the grain, actually anything artistic that went against grain.

00:03:41.620 And if it was music, art, uh, documentaries, podcasts, eventually, and, uh, and really

00:03:48.200 just end up, um, doing the whole nine to five thing, uh, after I stopped doing music, I was

00:03:55.720 kind of bored with life, kind of felt like a little unfulfilled, kind of felt like I needed

00:03:59.520 some type of purpose.

00:04:00.820 I wasn't contributing anything to the universe.

00:04:03.320 So, uh, after a while, I'm like, Hey, well, you know, the band broke up.

00:04:07.600 I'm not really, I'm doing, uh, well, I was doing music, but I was doing a solo project

00:04:12.320 called theory six, which is why people will see that, uh, you know, that term pop up from

00:04:17.200 time and time with my work.

00:04:18.600 Uh, but theory six was my music project.

00:04:20.660 I was doing it completely solo.

00:04:22.320 Uh, but it was, it was time consuming.

00:04:23.900 It was a lot of work.

00:04:24.680 It was time consuming.

00:04:26.180 And by the time you, you actually, you know, wrote a song and then you recorded all the instruments

00:04:32.940 and then you just did all the work release.

00:04:35.780 It was just so time consuming.

00:04:36.980 And then I really got into podcasts and I was doing a lot of, uh, driving and commuting

00:04:41.960 for work and I, I got obsessed with podcasts.

00:04:45.440 I'm like, Oh, great.

00:04:45.960 This is like food for thought.

00:04:47.240 This like two hour drive can be a complete waste of my time, or I can actually make it

00:04:52.300 fly by.

00:04:53.380 And when I get to my destination, I'm like, I don't even want to get out of the car

00:04:56.440 because I'm so deep into this conversation.

00:04:58.020 I'm enjoying it.

00:04:59.220 So, uh, so, and then I'm like, Hey, you know, I have a bit of a studio.

00:05:03.160 Why not use that music equipment and software and, uh, repurpose it for podcasting.

00:05:08.840 And then kind of started in 2013, uh, you know, Rogan obviously was a huge inspiration.

00:05:14.240 I love the long form discussions.

00:05:16.420 I also liked the open source idea of James Corbett.

00:05:20.860 He was one of my first guests.

00:05:22.140 And so I kind of continued doing that.

00:05:24.920 So then, and I, I very similar to Joe Rogan.

00:05:27.740 I had a lot of different interests.

00:05:28.880 So I would have people, MMA people like, you know, Eddie Bravo was an early guest.

00:05:33.680 I had Pat Miletic, uh, Justin Wren.

00:05:36.560 Um, and then I would also have musicians, Burton C. Bell from Fear Factory, by the way,

00:05:40.940 great, uh, theme song, uh, Vinnie Paz, another great, uh, uh, artist.

00:05:44.720 Um, and, uh, and, you know, so I had a musicians on fire from the gods, enter Shikari from the

00:05:50.480 UK, um, tons of, uh, great, uh, musicians.

00:05:54.540 Then I would have historians.

00:05:56.840 I was always in a diet and nutrition and, and health, uh, because I thought that was

00:06:01.280 some of the best conspiracies.

00:06:02.580 I think the cholesterol conspiracy, the, the, you know, the, um, you know, everything about

00:06:08.000 how we should eat and live has been pretty much a lie.

00:06:11.560 And, um, and then really just went down those rabbit holes.

00:06:14.280 And then eventually during COVID, uh, just a lot of years of like networking, making friends.

00:06:20.300 We, uh, we started a show called the union of unwanted, which I co-host with Sam Tripoli,

00:06:25.760 uh, midnight, Mike and Charlie Robinson.

00:06:28.160 And, uh, and basically, you know, that was, that came together because what, what we were

00:06:32.880 doing during the COVID era, when things were kind of, uh, shutting down and whatnot, a lot

00:06:38.420 of us were dealing with censorship.

00:06:39.580 I eventually got kicked off YouTube and, and also centered on every algorithm related to

00:06:44.780 YouTube and Google.

00:06:45.640 So, but, uh, but we were talking about, Hey, you know, we're dealing with this, this information

00:06:49.560 needs to go out.

00:06:50.300 How do we go about, uh, putting it out there?

00:06:53.220 Uh, so we gathered a bunch of content creators and, um, I just use like my networking ability

00:06:59.480 and all the friends I've made throughout the years.

00:07:01.260 And we just did a huge show.

00:07:02.840 We had Luke from, we are change on there, Ben Swan, um, you know, obviously Sam and my

00:07:07.900 other co-hosts and all these people.

00:07:09.460 And, uh, and then Mike came up with this term.

00:07:11.840 He's like, yeah, we're kind of like a union of the unwanted.

00:07:14.120 And we're like, Hey, well, you should hold onto that.

00:07:16.320 And he bought the URL, right?

00:07:17.660 Like during the podcast, we, uh, we kept that.

00:07:21.280 And then, uh, we really enjoyed it.

00:07:23.400 And then eventually we're like, Hey, let's make it its own show.

00:07:26.220 So then in 2020, I believe in 2021, somewhere around there, we, we started the union of

00:07:31.840 unwanted, which is a, uh, a show we do every other week.

00:07:35.040 And it's just a round table discussion show.

00:07:37.080 We bring in different content creators, thinkers, researchers, and just kind of brainstorm

00:07:41.980 and, and try to, um,

00:07:44.120 try to do our best to bring different opinions and perspectives and, and have a civil discussions,

00:07:49.160 uh, about, you know, about what's going on in the world, sharing research, right?

00:07:53.540 Cause it's like, we're all content creators, but a lot of us are, are also are, we should

00:07:58.280 be content consumers.

00:07:59.280 So it's like, you're, I might be listening to a really good researcher.

00:08:02.940 Somebody else might be, uh, you know, digging deep into a different story and a different

00:08:06.820 researchers work.

00:08:08.080 And then when we gather, we can kind of share that stuff.

00:08:10.380 So it's, uh, so it's been fun.

00:08:12.040 Those are been kind of my, my main two projects.

00:08:14.240 Music is kind of taking a backseat a little bit.

00:08:16.280 Um, and the, the name of the podcast ripple effect podcast was actually named after one

00:08:21.740 of my songs, which is the theme song, uh, ended up being the theme song of, of the show.

00:08:26.700 Uh, but yeah, but in regards to the guests, uh, you know, John Stockton's been on.

00:08:31.320 Um, but then I've always really been, we talked about it a little bit before the, uh, we went

00:08:34.820 live, but, uh, I've always really been into diet and nutrition.

00:08:37.780 So I've had Dr. Dominic D'Agostino on a bunch.

00:08:40.740 I actually had him on before he was on Rogan's, um, uh, you know, uh, uh, Rob Wolf, the guy

00:08:48.120 who, uh, created element and also did the sacred cow book and documentary, um, you know, uh,

00:08:53.680 Dr. Sean Baker, but even early I had like Dr. Brzezinski on, which is one of the most

00:08:58.140 censored, uh, doctors at the time.

00:09:00.540 He was like this, uh, just leading researcher in cancer treatment was a Polish immigrant who

00:09:06.700 came to America, got his PhD in his like early twenties was like sought out by like John

00:09:11.880 Hopkins and all the biggest hospitals.

00:09:13.980 And then eventually create or found something called anti-neoplastones, which was having

00:09:19.180 success with curing cancer.

00:09:20.980 And, uh, and it's an interesting story because I, I got real lucky to get him on really early

00:09:26.920 in like my podcasting career, if you can call it that.

00:09:29.840 And he, he, he, he had a documentary by Eric Mercola called Brzezinski.

00:09:35.840 And in that documentary, and obviously I watched the documentary before I had him on, they

00:09:39.760 were talking about all these like bots and, and how big pharma had these, like these companies

00:09:44.660 and firms that would like basically, uh, pollute any positive information on Dr. Brzezinski's

00:09:51.180 treatment.

00:09:51.900 So, um, you know, you're watching documentary and anybody who's saying anything good about,

00:09:56.580 uh, Dr. Brzezinski or has anything positive to say in the comments, you'll see like, no,

00:10:01.440 it's pseudoscience.

00:10:02.240 He's a murderer.

00:10:02.860 He's a killer.

00:10:03.460 So it was, it was interesting.

00:10:07.200 So, and then when I got him on and I, I officially booked them for the show, I got excited because

00:10:12.420 he was like kind of one of my first really, uh, big and important guests.

00:10:16.400 And I was really excited to share with my audience, but I just started like probably a couple months

00:10:20.140 before, uh, I had him on, didn't have much of a, of a platform, but just myself sharing

00:10:25.860 that he's coming on, I've dealt with the same type of, uh, you know, campaign of like bots

00:10:31.840 and people contacting me with fake accounts saying that he was a murderer and he was a

00:10:36.100 killer.

00:10:36.460 And then at that year was this, and this was probably late 2013, early 2014.

00:10:42.080 And yeah, and his, his documentary is phenomenal.

00:10:45.860 I mean, he, it, it will pull at your heartstrings.

00:10:49.120 I mean, it, it opens up and I'll just tell the story really quickly, but I, it just really,

00:10:53.160 uh, right from the get go, it really pulls at your heartstrings.

00:10:56.460 Uh, it opens up with this, this police officer who had twin daughters and one of his daughters

00:11:01.360 had cancer and, uh, they basically said, Hey, like she's, you know, you can do, uh, the

00:11:08.520 modern treatments and, uh, to, to hopefully extend her life.

00:11:12.820 So they're like, okay, anything that will extend her life, why not?

00:11:15.900 So they go through the treatment and, uh, and apparently like the chemo and radiation was

00:11:21.500 making her urine so toxic that, that they had to wear gloves to change her diaper.

00:11:25.760 And she was in like pain constantly and all of a sudden this, this, uh, this police officer

00:11:30.480 is testifying for Brzezinski, Dr. Brzezinski in court.

00:11:34.100 Um, and he, uh, he tells a story and then he goes, uh, he hears about, he's like, well,

00:11:39.620 I have to get her off this treatment because I'd rather her live less time with less pain

00:11:44.300 than more time with pain.

00:11:46.020 Right.

00:11:46.420 So he gets her off this treatment, finds out about Dr. Brzezinski does his treatment, um,

00:11:51.800 goes through, I believe in, uh, uh, another hospital to, uh, to basically keep up with

00:11:57.280 her tumor and see if it's shrinking.

00:11:59.080 Uh, I think it's like eight weeks or something along those lines.

00:12:01.900 She's completely cancer free, completely, uh, you know, basically it was, it seemed like

00:12:06.400 a miracle.

00:12:07.020 A year later, she passes away.

00:12:09.400 They do an autopsy.

00:12:10.520 They find out it was a radiation that killed her.

00:12:12.500 And he told the story in court and he's like, if I knew then, you know, she would still

00:12:17.400 be alive.

00:12:17.880 If I knew that this treatment, um, even existed and Dr. Brzezinski, he, he's had like heads

00:12:25.080 of CIA, uh, you know, go to him.

00:12:27.560 He's had, uh, members of the Saudi family go to him and, but it, they, the FDA sued him

00:12:32.940 and would not let him get FDA approved.

00:12:35.900 Or I think he got approved and they took it away from him and that's, and they, they kept

00:12:39.380 bringing him to court.

00:12:40.160 There's even like a famous, uh, a scene of a judge going to the FDA attorney and saying,

00:12:46.140 Hey, you guys keep losing this battle.

00:12:48.380 Why do you keep bringing him to court?

00:12:49.720 And the purpose was to hopefully if from, in, from their perspective, hopefully he would

00:12:55.280 run out of funds.

00:12:56.160 They kept bringing the dream of funds.

00:12:57.780 Yeah.

00:12:57.920 Cause they knew that he didn't, they didn't, he wasn't doing anything illegal.

00:13:00.900 His treatment was actually safer than chemo and radiation, uh, statistically.

00:13:05.080 And, um, so, and radiation, I mean, it causes cancer.

00:13:09.440 You, you try to fight cancer or something that causes cancer, cancer.

00:13:12.760 That's why most people who become cancer free using typical, uh, treatments will eventually

00:13:18.960 have other types of cancer later in life.

00:13:21.880 And that's because of the radiation.

00:13:23.820 So, I mean, I've had Dr.

00:13:25.480 Thomas Seyfried on my show.

00:13:26.660 He, uh, he's out of Boston, uh, Boston university.

00:13:29.440 And he had 150 peer review studies showing that, um, the ketogenic diet can cure, uh, prevent

00:13:37.300 and treat cancer.

00:13:39.040 Um, because, and just as just using like logical, uh, understanding of cancer, that glucose is

00:13:44.920 energy source for cancer.

00:13:46.360 Obviously, if you starve your body of glucose, you're starving the cancer of a energy source.

00:13:51.760 So, um, he has 150 peer review studies.

00:13:54.860 He wrote a book called cancer as a metal metabolic disease.

00:13:58.360 And, uh, you know, they should be something that everybody should be looking into and know

00:14:02.200 about.

00:14:02.880 Nobody cares.

00:14:04.020 He's like, you know, he's like, nobody's interested.

00:14:06.400 He's like, nobody's calling me.

00:14:07.700 He's like, nobody's like, and I have research showing it.

00:14:10.080 He even showed that even if you did the traditional treatments like chemo and radiation, if you did,

00:14:15.660 uh, the ketogenic diet and you did, uh, you know, dietary things like that and, or, or

00:14:21.040 even fasting that it can help with your, with the treatment, it will help, um, progress the

00:14:26.580 treatment better and you'll have better outcomes and you, and, and you'll become cancer-free

00:14:30.400 quicker.

00:14:30.920 So it's like, the point is like, it's just the big pharma for a long time where, you know,

00:14:37.800 they're the real domestic terrorists and they're the ones who, you know, growing up nine

00:14:43.280 11 was a big red pill for, for me, obviously, you know, Jason Bermas was one of my first

00:14:47.880 guests.

00:14:48.340 I thought, you know, I, I was trying to get him to understand how important his, his

00:14:52.120 documentary was.

00:14:52.980 He's a very modest guy, but it's like, dude, your, your documentary changed people's lives.

00:14:58.120 It was, it was at least, uh, the starting point for many people to go down many different

00:15:02.360 rabbit holes.

00:15:03.200 And so those type of geopolitical stuff was always an interest of mine.

00:15:07.120 But when I really started understanding and noticing that, like, Hey, like that, that stuff,

00:15:12.500 the stuff that's going on overseas is important, but I'm like, we have domestic terrorists.

00:15:16.880 We have people that are, um, you know, not living their best lives or getting sick and

00:15:21.740 being stuck in this cycle of, uh, you talked about somebody who couldn't afford food.

00:15:25.780 I mean, there's people who, who can't afford the medicine that, you know, that the food industry,

00:15:31.000 um, made them need.

00:15:32.780 And, uh, and so it's like, you know, it's one of those, and, and really, and I can rant forever.

00:15:39.020 That's why I started a podcast, but, uh, it, it, it is one of those things too, that that's

00:15:44.400 another question that people should be asking.

00:15:46.460 It's like, why do we need so much medicine?

00:15:47.960 Like what's wrong with our system?

00:15:50.920 People will spark the conversation of like, Oh, how do, you know, universal base or universal,

00:15:55.660 uh, healthcare and all, and all these things.

00:15:57.940 And I think that's, you know, important.

00:15:59.400 And I think an important topic to discuss, but we should, instead of asking, like, how do

00:16:04.020 we get cheaper healthcare or more affordable healthcare?

00:16:06.400 Maybe we should be asking, why do we need so much healthcare, you know, and years ago

00:16:11.240 people used to, um, you know, the doctors used to ask you like, Hey, are you on any medication

00:16:17.020 today?

00:16:17.320 They ask you how many medications you're on and everybody's on something.

00:16:21.480 There's been zero studies on the combination of these medications together.

00:16:27.220 Like, so when they do a study, it's a solo study on those medications.

00:16:32.580 Nobody, so when a doctor says, Hey, take this, Hey, I know you're on, you know, high blood

00:16:37.480 pressure pills and you're also on this and you're on that.

00:16:39.640 And he gives you another pill.

00:16:41.180 Nobody knows how they're going to interact and how they're going to affect your body.

00:16:45.300 So it could lead to other symptoms, which lead to other medications.

00:16:50.320 And it's, have you seen that video, Ricky?

00:16:52.120 That's been going around lately.

00:16:53.240 It's a guy that goes into, um, a bunch of different, uh, psychiatrists and he lays out

00:16:58.700 the exact same symptoms to each different doctor and they all diagnose him differently.

00:17:04.720 But not only do they diagnose him differently, they prescribe him a litany of pharmaceuticals

00:17:09.520 and each one is different from the previous doctor.

00:17:11.720 So in other words, he goes there with the same symptoms.

00:17:14.380 They say he has something different.

00:17:15.960 They give him a different cocktail.

00:17:16.960 And it's like, it's a huge kind of pulling back of the curtain to see how the industry

00:17:21.880 works because we've been giving these people, um, the benefit of the doubt because we've

00:17:26.360 been programmed to in very many ways, right?

00:17:28.560 Trust the experts, things like that.

00:17:29.900 And then when you see, um, how the sausage is made, you go, there's, there's almost zero

00:17:35.380 rhyme or reason to how they're, it's all predicated, especially our mental health industry,

00:17:39.700 right?

00:17:40.140 It's predicated off of bunk science that doesn't exist.

00:17:43.380 This idea that there are chemical imbalances in the brain that they've never been able to

00:17:46.340 produce or prove there's no baseline for that chemical imbalance, right?

00:17:50.860 Like, uh, I forgot who told us top on the show, but a great way that they laid it out

00:17:55.540 was like, you had, you know, what the pH balance of your Marzinski was at Marzinski that said

00:17:59.800 that well, either way, it's like you have a pH balance that is baseline for your pool.

00:18:04.280 And you know, from that baseline that you're operating to try to, you know, level these,

00:18:08.500 these different, uh, acidities or, or whatever the case is until they're the point where

00:18:12.800 they're at the baseline, but we don't know what a baseline is for, for human, uh,

00:18:16.280 brain chemical function, because in order to observe it, you would need to somehow,

00:18:20.740 I don't know, lobotomize a living person, uh, and, and measure their, their, their brain

00:18:26.260 chemicals.

00:18:26.560 So all of it is, is already off to a shaky start.

00:18:30.280 In fact, everything that you've been talking about, you know, at the beginning of the show,

00:18:33.800 it screams, you said, why do we have all this giant medical apparatus, this giant medical

00:18:39.360 industry here in America?

00:18:40.940 It's not for our benefit.

00:18:41.960 It's a lucrative industry.

00:18:43.480 And so when people go, well, cancer is a big industry, they don't want it to be eliminated.

00:18:48.920 They want it to be managed so that they have a patient for life.

00:18:52.780 And that's very nihilistic.

00:18:54.320 And you get called a conspiracy theorist for even thinking that way.

00:18:57.040 But even the story that you just told us is like, makes it real hard to give them the

00:19:00.920 benefit of the doubt after that.

00:19:01.940 Well, the DSM was completely based on bullshit, uh, the DSM, which is the Bible for mental

00:19:09.420 health.

00:19:10.200 It's completely based on bullshit.

00:19:11.600 They use that chemical imbalance term because it sounds scientific and it sounds like, but

00:19:17.280 they don't ever test you for any chemical imbalance.

00:19:20.180 So in other words, like they're telling you have a chemical imbalance, which logically means

00:19:26.260 like they should test you to see how imbalanced it is, which chemicals are imbalanced.

00:19:29.640 They don't do any of that.

00:19:30.960 What you do is you get a pill and if that doesn't work, you get another pill.

00:19:34.800 If that doesn't work, you get another pill.

00:19:36.480 And there's a great documentary, which it's funny because I've been promoting it forever.

00:19:40.740 I shouldn't say promoting it, but I've been telling people about it because it really does

00:19:43.140 a great job of going into the history of the DSM and how they, you know, before, um,

00:19:49.480 prior to, uh, you know, a psychologist being able to write prescriptions, like you would

00:19:53.520 go see one and they would talk to you about your issues, try to like resolve it, um, by talking.

00:19:58.880 Right.

00:19:59.300 And, and then they got to a point where like big pharma is like, well, it's much like easier

00:20:03.740 to just write a prescription and you, we can make tons of money because we don't have to

00:20:07.200 do any tests.

00:20:07.880 We don't have to go do any experts.

00:20:09.460 You can just walk in and say that you're kind of down and nobody's going to second guess,

00:20:14.920 you know, writing that prescription because this person's depressed.

00:20:18.220 Nobody goes into like, okay, is it, did you lose your job?

00:20:21.620 Did you lose a family member?

00:20:22.740 Like your dog die?

00:20:23.880 Any number of things.

00:20:24.500 And, and also the, the turnover rate, you know, it, it makes it a lot faster.

00:20:28.340 You don't have to invest in a particular client and talk them through their issues, which,

00:20:32.280 you know, is, it takes a long, it's a long process to unpack childhood trauma and all

00:20:36.140 these things.

00:20:36.440 Just give them a pill, get them out the door, get the next one in, give them a pill, get

00:20:39.900 them out the door.

00:20:40.640 That's much of what the industry has become is just a revolving door of patients.

00:20:44.260 They want you in diagnosed, prescribed and out as quickly as possible.

00:20:48.220 Well, it's symptom management and there's a documentary called making a killing and it's

00:20:53.620 a, so it's funny cause I've had some doctors from that show or from that documentary on

00:20:58.320 my show.

00:20:58.960 I didn't, and I don't even think they even knew, but, uh, apparently it was funded by

00:21:03.300 some group that's like linked to Scientology and it's like, and I'm like, oh, that actually

00:21:08.100 kind of makes sense though, because they are kind of right about their, their out, you

00:21:12.840 know, their outlook on, um, these mental health issues because you look at like you go

00:21:18.160 back and rewatch the Tom Cruise, uh, famous scene of him talking about, you know, antidepressants.

00:21:23.860 He's right.

00:21:24.700 Like he's right about just about all of it.

00:21:27.040 And what they don't tell you is that like exercise has been proven statistically to be

00:21:31.960 better for mental health than any prescription drug.

00:21:35.740 And, and they, what happens is that these drugs suppress all emotions there.

00:21:40.800 So it's not just anxiety or depression or whatever, like they suppress everything.

00:21:44.540 So you become a zombie and you see it.

00:21:46.760 I mean, I've talked to police officers about how these, uh, you know, when they lock somebody

00:21:51.400 up and they're on these pills, like he's like, they're, they're like emotionless.

00:21:54.520 Right.

00:21:54.920 And they're like these zombies.

00:21:56.220 And that's why for a while with these mass shooters, they were talking about like, Hey,

00:22:00.120 why don't they release the records and show us like what drugs they're on?

00:22:03.320 Because their, their lack of empathy when they're doing these crimes, like that could

00:22:08.500 be a part of it.

00:22:09.180 And there's a, so I had a song back in the day where I, um, I got these, these little,

00:22:15.320 uh, samples of the court case with Prozac and these people in the nineties, I don't know

00:22:20.860 if you remember, but like Prozac and you can still find them online, like Prozac, Prozac

00:22:25.100 and Zoloft.

00:22:25.780 But yeah, one of the side effects of this antidepressant is suicide.

00:22:33.100 So, uh, so you're literally taking something to prevent, you know, you figured the most

00:22:38.440 extreme symptoms of depression would be like suicide.

00:22:41.180 Like, so you're trying to prevent going down that road where you're suicidal.

00:22:44.520 And instead one of the side effects are suicide.

00:22:47.080 And there's like these, these crazy, uh, testimonies of people in court talking about

00:22:51.800 how like this one mother who said that she was holding a gun to the bed with her husband

00:22:56.580 and her kids in it.

00:22:57.600 And she didn't know why.

00:22:59.240 And she was like about to pull the trigger and she dropped to the last second.

00:23:02.320 And the second she got off, uh, the Prozac, she was fine.

00:23:05.500 And, uh, and there's all of these, you know, and, but it's actually one of the side effects

00:23:08.960 of most of these antidepressants are like suicidal thoughts and all this other stuff.

00:23:13.240 Yeah.

00:23:13.600 These SRIs, if you, if you stop taking them cold Turkey, you experience, um, all those latent

00:23:18.340 sort of suppressed emotions, right?

00:23:20.340 Cause you have no emotional range.

00:23:21.340 Like you said, you're like a zombie.

00:23:22.700 And when you cold Turkey them, because you finally get fed up with being in this state,

00:23:26.940 that's a lot of people's, um, not routine, but you see it commonly, right?

00:23:31.420 It's like the doctor prescribes it.

00:23:33.200 It's supposed to help.

00:23:34.060 Instead.

00:23:34.460 It turns you to a zombie.

00:23:35.540 You hang in there for a long time.

00:23:37.040 Eventually you go, fuck these things.

00:23:38.760 Can't take them anymore.

00:23:39.960 Stop taking them cold Turkey in a rebound effect of like heightened emotional state is what

00:23:44.940 follows after that.

00:23:46.240 And that's what they suspect.

00:23:47.100 A lot of these shooters are experiencing, but you, you know, you're not going to be

00:23:50.320 you said something before, um, you were talking about dogs and I just thought how funny it

00:23:55.320 is.

00:23:55.580 You know, I, I, sorry, I just want to, cause this is a, this is like a, I guess we can

00:24:00.500 call it a Christian show, even though we say some crazy shit.

00:24:02.820 Uh, but in revelation, 18, 23, it just reminded me of this.

00:24:06.840 Uh, it says that, uh, in a certain place, the light of the lamp will never shine again.

00:24:11.020 And the voices of the bride and the bridegroom will never be heard again because the merchants

00:24:15.340 there were great and deceived and they were great and deceived all nations through sorcery.

00:24:21.140 But the Greek translation of that word sorcery is pharmakia.

00:24:25.760 And that's like constantly referred back to as like, uh, uh, like sorcery basically.

00:24:31.820 The beginnings of the pharmaceutical industry, right?

00:24:34.240 Yeah.

00:24:34.780 Yeah.

00:24:35.240 Yeah.

00:24:35.460 So when we're seeing shit like this with, with people that are just completely zoned out,

00:24:39.840 zonked out, like they have this like warm blanket over their head, over their brain that

00:24:44.440 doesn't allow them to express emotion or really think outside of the box at all, I start to

00:24:50.360 go a little bit of like the Haitian voodoo zombie kind of a move, right?

00:24:55.340 Because they're going through some sort of a pharmakia ritual, but then they're coming

00:24:59.120 out zonked out of their mind and highly suggestible, right?

00:25:02.160 Highly open to suggestion.

00:25:03.900 Um, but that thing with the dog that's significant is that, uh, owners of dogs know, and it's,

00:25:10.340 it's pretty widely, uh, accepted that, especially if you get a working breed, let's say, um,

00:25:16.120 they will display neurological, you know, um, issues, I guess.

00:25:22.780 And a lot of it is because they're pent up and they're not working.

00:25:25.580 So this dog has an energy expenditure demand.

00:25:28.220 It needs to be worked out.

00:25:29.880 It needs to have a job.

00:25:31.020 It needs to run in a field.

00:25:32.020 It needs to get exercise.

00:25:33.140 If the dog doesn't get exercise, then the dog becomes neurotic and it displays all kinds

00:25:39.000 of undesirable psychological behaviors, the anxiety, for sure.

00:25:42.440 You can observe anxiety in a dog.

00:25:44.980 So when you're saying Ricky, that, um, exercise has been proven to be significantly more helpful,

00:25:50.080 uh, you know, at treating things like depression than pharmaceuticals are, we don't, for some

00:25:54.880 reason, we can't accept that about us, but we can look at a dog and go, yeah, the thing

00:25:59.080 needs to be walked.

00:26:00.200 It's gotta be walked.

00:26:01.240 It's gotta be exercise.

00:26:02.040 It's just such a simple thing, but whatever they've done to us, we're willing to overlook

00:26:05.820 that about ourselves.

00:26:06.660 Yeah, I remember telling somebody about milk thistle of what, for a liver cleanse, it's

00:26:12.220 a natural herb.

00:26:13.300 It helps with, uh, hangovers that helps with just, you know, feeling better.

00:26:17.020 And somebody's like, yeah, I, uh, my doctor or, um, my, my dog's taken it.

00:26:21.920 And, and I'm like, it's funny.

00:26:23.960 I'm like, you should be taking it.

00:26:25.340 You drink more than your dog, I would assume.

00:26:27.260 But, uh, it's, yeah, it is funny how like certain things we, we don't connect those dots.

00:26:33.620 And I think a lot of it is propaganda.

00:26:36.080 It's just like the medical world has done such a great job of like talking about the

00:26:40.420 experts and that, you know, even mental health, um, you guys, I'm sure you're aware of like

00:26:44.800 the rat park experiment.

00:26:46.920 Yes.

00:26:47.180 Yeah.

00:26:47.500 And even, even that has been sort of unfairly portrayed, I think, but can you, can you tell

00:26:52.760 the audience a little bit about it?

00:26:54.500 Yeah.

00:26:54.680 So it was, uh, you know, just a brief, uh, I guess, background on it.

00:26:58.900 So they were giving, um, these mice, uh, water, they had them in a cage.

00:27:03.520 They were giving, they had water with like some drug.

00:27:06.320 I don't know if it was cocaine.

00:27:07.340 It was cocaine.

00:27:07.760 Yeah.

00:27:08.220 It might've been cocaine.

00:27:09.040 And they had a water with cocaine and water.

00:27:11.460 It didn't have cocaine.

00:27:12.460 The mice naturally kept going to the water with cocaine, eventually died.

00:27:16.420 Right.

00:27:16.640 Dog.

00:27:16.920 So people are like, Hey, you know, like it means that cocaine's really addictive.

00:27:22.900 And then these, uh, I believe there are Canadians, like, uh, doctors or scientists are, they,

00:27:28.900 they kind of were thinking about the study and they're like, well, the cage has become

00:27:32.860 a part of the experiment.

00:27:34.460 So let's see if we can recreate the experiment by giving the mice its natural habitat and see

00:27:42.300 if, if it's the cocaine that's bringing them back to it.

00:27:44.720 Um, so they create, they got some warehouses, created their natural habitat where they could

00:27:49.840 roam and play and, and exercise and, and be with other mice and whatnot.

00:27:54.160 And then, uh, they did the same thing.

00:27:55.900 They, they had water with, uh, cocaine water that didn't have cocaine and they came, drank

00:28:01.220 the water once, went away, never came back.

00:28:03.120 And they're like, Oh, okay.

00:28:04.260 Now we figure this out.

00:28:05.320 Like why they're going to the cocaine.

00:28:08.000 What wasn't because it was addictive.

00:28:10.620 It was because they were in this cage and they're unhappy.

00:28:13.820 And then if you give them other places to find happiness, then there's no need for it.

00:28:19.000 And I think addiction is much of that, right?

00:28:20.860 Like I think a lot of people, it's not a lot of times we think it's external.

00:28:25.720 It's about the substance that we take.

00:28:27.600 Uh, but it's, it's not like it's internal.

00:28:30.340 It's about, um, some emptiness, some unhappiness or whatever.

00:28:34.060 I remember telling a buddy of mine, he went to a UMass, uh, which, you know, is kind of

00:28:39.280 known as a, a party school, uh, locally.

00:28:41.780 I'm, I live in Massachusetts and, uh, he's like, Oh, we'd go to these parties.

00:28:45.220 And he's like, you know, there'd be some cocaine there, whatever.

00:28:47.980 He's like, I remember I tried it once.

00:28:49.700 He's like, you know, never touched it again.

00:28:52.400 And, uh, and that was it.

00:28:53.540 He's like, but my buddy I was with tried it.

00:28:55.760 And then next thing, you know, he became this crazy partier who just was like doing it all

00:29:00.200 the time.

00:29:00.700 And, you know, in, um, and he's like, it kind of makes sense because I, I knew what I was

00:29:05.860 going to college for.

00:29:07.000 I had like a path.

00:29:08.180 I had a girlfriend, I had a stable home and he was the complete opposite.

00:29:12.700 No girlfriend was going to college, but didn't know if that's what he wanted to do.

00:29:16.880 Um, you know, didn't have a great relationship with his parents.

00:29:20.180 And, uh, so it's like, you know, growing up, they would, adults would always talk about

00:29:25.080 like, Oh, this, this drug is more addictive than that drug or that drug is more addictive.

00:29:28.760 And I'm like, well, if you can just quantify that, uh, that simplify that, that easily,

00:29:33.700 then how come if I do that addictive thing, I don't have the same response to somebody else.

00:29:38.660 If you quantify it as like, Hey, it's this addictive, then how come one person can have

00:29:43.900 a drink of alcohol and, and drink as a social drinker, somebody else drinks a sip of alcohol.

00:29:49.560 Next thing you know, they're like, you know, ruining their lives or spot, you know,

00:29:53.280 well, that's the thing is like, I, I'm not going to do fentanyl, but if you locked me in a cage for

00:29:57.440 10 years and then after a decade, you came to me and you said, how about some fentanyl and there's

00:30:00.980 nothing else in the cage, I'm probably going to do some fentanyl. You know what I mean? So it's

00:30:04.080 like, it's an absence of positive stimuli. It also, it also comes to the idea that what we

00:30:09.840 discover on the show is like, uh, what certain drugs, uh, peel back as far as like the material realm

00:30:15.620 and, uh, alcohol spirits, they peel back a certain veil that I, we think, uh, would expose you to

00:30:23.120 different, some type of entities. Like, you know, if you do, if you do DMT, you're going to see some

00:30:27.520 clockwork elves. If you do ayahuasca, you're going to see a cheetah headed lady. This is like fairly

00:30:32.660 common. So when you're doing methamphetamine or crack cocaine, things like this, there are entities

00:30:39.700 that are associated with these things throughout mythologies, throughout history. So, uh, um, the El Kukui,

00:30:45.160 he's, he's associated with, that's like the boogeyman. He has like sharp teeth and like,

00:30:49.760 or maybe even like associated with the chupacabra and like, uh, Puerto Rico as well. Same kind of

00:30:54.660 description. He's associated with the cocoa leaf. So it's like, it's interesting that when these people

00:30:59.920 are doing these drugs, they are opening a doorway and now they are in touch with XYZ entity.

00:31:06.900 And from there you could start to describe their influence and like the path that they go down.

00:31:11.820 It's like, are you talking to something there or something now able to reach out to you?

00:31:15.960 Right. He Marzinski said that methamphetamine was the closest thing he had ever seen. Dr. Jerry

00:31:22.020 Marzinski is a clinical psychologist that worked with schizophrenic patients. He said the closest he'd

00:31:26.560 ever seen to the manifestation of, uh, schizophrenic symptoms in an individual was through meth. And that

00:31:34.240 he eventually came to the place where he thought schizophrenia was,

00:31:37.880 you're being beset upon by something that's external to your own self. So throughout the

00:31:43.320 research on the show, we've become, we've come to a place where we think these things manifest in

00:31:47.160 like a frequency and your brain can kind of tune into them. And, um, but he says that methamphetamine

00:31:54.140 is almost like kicking that door open so that you can have this communication with these things.

00:31:59.360 And the door closes very slowly, much slower than any other drug that he'd seen in a prison setting

00:32:06.940 dealing. It's almost like he described it as like people that are doing this, uh, to excess,

00:32:12.040 like the door doesn't even close anymore. It's just wide open. So wide open. You're being tortured

00:32:17.480 like 24 seven, you know what I mean? But that, that notion, uh, Rick of like trusting the experts,

00:32:24.340 it kind of brings us like right back to the beginning of the conversation. We were actually

00:32:27.700 having it before the show started. And when you were describing this, I found myself smiling.

00:32:32.720 You were talking about, you know, a two hour drive and, and listening to podcasts. And I almost kind

00:32:37.540 of miss those days. I don't really do that anymore because I, I, I don't drive anywhere. I do this full

00:32:42.200 time. And, but there's like something real, uh, I don't know. Yeah, dude, this is how I met Ricky.

00:32:51.160 I met you, Ricky. We just met right now, but I met you years ago. Surprise to you, huh? Driving a tractor trailer.

00:32:57.700 Yeah. In New York city, just listening, learning, talking to myself. Nobody else heard me, but,

00:33:04.160 uh, you know, here we are a couple of years later. It's interesting how that works.

00:33:07.180 It's fascinating because as a, as a podcaster, it's funny when that comes out of my mouth

00:33:12.940 because podcasting has like almost a dirty connotation to it. Like, I think it's the,

00:33:17.520 the connotation is we are the opposite of the experts that they tell you to trust.

00:33:22.180 But funny enough, most of the information that I've gotten over the years, new, um, subjects

00:33:29.320 I've become fascinated with. They, they come from, they're inspired by different podcasts

00:33:33.920 that we're listening to. But when you fast forward to 2020, and I know you're just talking about

00:33:38.800 going through, you're kind of like battling with the medical industry back in 2013, but

00:33:42.480 2020, we all found ourselves battling with the medical industry. And it's wild because

00:33:49.720 they told us to trust the experts. It's clear the experts misled us egregiously. And that's,

00:33:56.400 that's probably being generous.

00:33:58.000 And now purposefully is like, that's, I think that's the question.

00:34:00.200 That's what I'm saying. That's why it's being, it's being generous.

00:34:02.100 I'd say that I'd say purposefully, but like we were talking, uh, before the show,

00:34:06.320 how do you talk to normies about this kind of thing? Because if I talked to my own and I was

00:34:11.440 like, these motherfuckers have been lying egregiously on purpose to you and they want

00:34:16.080 you dead. I liked like the, the Michael Malice quote is like, uh, they, they want to see your

00:34:20.940 kids raped and they think it's funny. And I think that that's like right there. Hard to tell somebody

00:34:27.440 that is not ready to hear it, but it's like, yo, they, they want you dead and they want to see

00:34:32.440 your kids raped and they think it's funny. And that's like the bottom line of really what we're

00:34:37.520 talking about here. No, if, ands are, but how do I get to that conversation with a normal person?

00:34:42.600 That's up to you. You know?

00:34:43.820 Well, I would say that the way you do it is maybe you don't have a conversation. Maybe they shut up

00:34:49.220 and they listen, right? Like so much of what I came to learn was just listening to conversation on

00:34:53.520 podcasts. Um, so I, what I'm just saying is, is during a time where they told us to trust the experts,

00:34:59.600 it was the podcasters.

00:35:02.440 And not to like, you know, aggrandize podcasters too much, but like, thank God for them because so

00:35:10.020 much of the information that helped how many people, I mean, it's not even, we're not even

00:35:15.260 being hyperbolic if we're saying those people who told you pump the brakes, maybe don't listen to

00:35:22.620 what the media is saying. Let's analyze this. Let's hear what everybody else has to say. And let's,

00:35:27.820 let's not jump to conclusions during the lockdowns. That, that version literally saved

00:35:34.460 lives, literally saved people's lives, changed some people's minds. I'm not going to go get

00:35:39.740 invasive medical intervention. I'm not going to go do that. I'm not, I'm going to wait

00:35:43.540 and see as more information comes out, because some of my favorite people that I listened to on

00:35:48.000 my two hour ride to work, you know, you kind of trust them after a while. Some of them are going,

00:35:52.240 I don't know if this is what they're saying it is. And I don't know if we should jump straight in.

00:35:56.620 Hey, maybe you should talk to your own doctor personally, talk to your doctor, get, maybe get

00:36:00.300 a second opinion from another doctor, literally save lives. And so I just think there's a, it's,

00:36:07.600 it's sad on some level, but the very people who have been ridiculed, you know, Joe Rogan's a great

00:36:12.940 example. CNN tore him down, painted him gray, you know, dragged him all over the, the, the, your,

00:36:17.680 your, your, your television set. Um, and all he was doing was having conversations, uh, Robert

00:36:22.880 Malone, Peter McCullough, he has him on. Is this really as bad as we think it is? And for some

00:36:27.860 reason, the mainstream media is screaming about that. Trust the experts. Don't trust the podcasters,

00:36:32.880 but I think the track records a little bit better all the way to today. And I kind of, I think

00:36:37.220 let's, let's bring it to that, uh, this culmination, but, uh, we're at the 30 minute mark. So we have to,

00:36:42.960 we have to shed the pores, unfortunately, Ricky, but, uh, shedding the pores. Yeah.

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00:37:05.220 All right. Right. So, uh, yeah. What do you think about all of that, Ricky? All that shit.

00:37:09.880 Yeah. Well, I think Rogan is kind of a perfect example of somebody,

00:37:16.140 you know, like how everybody takes that journey slightly different. I mean, I I've been a fan

00:37:21.180 of Rogan's for, like I said, before I started my podcast, he was a big inspiration, uh, because of

00:37:26.260 just like my love for long form discussion. I, I'd be at the pub with my friends having a drink.

00:37:33.740 You have those nights where you're, you know, debating things all night. You're having, you know,

00:37:38.120 rounds and, and you're, you're arguing about this. You're, you're debating about that. You're,

00:37:42.200 whatever, sharing personal stories and podcasts for me. Like, I'm like, all you're doing is like

00:37:48.300 archiving that, those types of discussions, you're trying to recreate them and you're

00:37:51.920 sharing them with the world. And, um, but with Rogan, like I was, especially when it came down

00:37:59.100 to like the vaccine discussion, uh, I was a little disappointed in them for a long time. And,

00:38:04.380 you know, I had people like Del Bigtree on my show. I mean, he said it on my show. This was

00:38:08.320 before COVID that, uh, his exact words were that, uh, you know, Rogan was a pussy and,

00:38:14.580 and he wouldn't have on and he, and he's like, cause I remember telling him at the end of one

00:38:19.880 of the, uh, episodes he was on of the ripple effect podcast. I'm like, Hey dude, we got to

00:38:24.680 get you on Rogan. Cause I'm like, I know he's open-minded and he talks to, he's not afraid

00:38:28.660 of talking to, you know, what seemed to be like people go against the grain and controversial

00:38:32.860 at times, but it seemed to be the, like the one topic he wouldn't really go deep into.

00:38:38.680 Eddie Bravo would push on the topic every once in a while, but he just seemed to have his mindset

00:38:43.280 that, that, you know, vaccines are, are, are safe and effective and have done a lot of good in the

00:38:48.440 world, but you would see tidbits of like him questioning it. And, um, we talked about Lyme

00:38:54.240 disease, uh, slightly before, uh, we started recording and I had Chris Newby on this way

00:39:00.120 before COVID. And, uh, and she was, uh, a scientist who wrote, I think the book's called

00:39:05.800 bitten and, uh, she wrote a book and she was a scientist, uh, really respected, uh, writer

00:39:11.900 and an author and researcher who came to Massachusetts to, uh, I believe Cape Cod Martha's

00:39:17.740 Vineyard for a vacation, um, got really sick, went back to California where she lived and

00:39:23.660 was misdiagnosed about a thousand times because they don't see Lyme disease in California.

00:39:27.740 So they didn't, they'd never connected the dots and thought it was Lyme disease that she

00:39:31.380 got in, uh, in Massachusetts. So she was like bedridden for like a year or two or something

00:39:37.660 like that, her and her husband. And then she's like, what is going on with this disease? Like,

00:39:42.520 I want to learn a bit about it. And so she ends up doing some research and finding out that

00:39:48.020 she thought it was, uh, uh, you know, it was basically, uh, government, they weaponized

00:39:54.200 it, they weaponized it and they were, uh, they created it. It was man-made. It wasn't,

00:39:58.180 uh, naturally made. And, uh, and she, you know, and then I had her on during COVID again to kind

00:40:02.860 of, uh, talk about it and share her perspective on COVID because it seemed very similar to, to,

00:40:09.620 to, uh, the Lyme disease story. And, you know, obviously the, the story is that it started in

00:40:15.860 Plum Island, uh, which is off the coast of Lyme, Connecticut. And they do have this, like,

00:40:21.460 you know, this, uh, place where they do research there. The government does research there and it's

00:40:26.500 really secretive what they do there and whatnot. And, uh, and there has been some, some pictures.

00:40:31.660 I don't know how, how factual it is or if they're real or not, but for, for years you would see

00:40:36.840 weird animals like dead on the coast of Lyme, Connecticut, like these weird, like mutated animals

00:40:42.460 that didn't seem like something we've seen before. So there's always been that mystery there.

00:40:46.840 But I remember one of the times, uh, Chris Newby was going to be on the show. Uh, I was doing some

00:40:52.400 research, kind of refreshing, um, kind of my memory on like the history of Lyme and some of that stuff.

00:40:58.100 And I ran into a clip of Joe Rogan talking about, uh, Lyme disease with, I forget which MMA fighter,

00:41:06.880 if it was, uh, Edgar, I forget which one it was. I think it was. Yeah.

00:41:12.440 Yeah. Yes, exactly. And, and somebody they're sharing their story and then Rogan talks about

00:41:18.040 somebody close to him who got the Lyme disease vaccine and basically got like really sick and

00:41:25.400 got Lyme disease from it. And, and they're sharing this story and, uh, Frankie Edgar's like, you know,

00:41:31.240 so they're sharing the story and they're basically talking about how skeptical they are of that Lyme

00:41:35.900 disease vaccine and you know, the, how it was a bad idea. And then during that research,

00:41:42.060 I also ran into a clip of Rogan talking to Peter Hotez about the Lyme disease vaccine.

00:41:49.280 And this was after the Frankie Edgar episode. So now I kind of have a little bit of knowledge

00:41:54.840 that like, okay, Rogan has a personal, uh, story and a personal connection to somebody who,

00:42:00.820 who got Lyme disease from the vaccine. And eventually that vaccine got taken off the market

00:42:05.200 and whatnot. So he's talking about Peter Hotez and Peter Hotez apparently is friends with the guy

00:42:10.840 who patented or came up with it or whatever. And they're talking about it. And Peter Hotez says it

00:42:16.140 was taken off the market because of, uh, all the anti-vaxxers, uh, speaking poorly of it. And,

00:42:21.700 and, uh, and so Rogan's like, no, I don't think that's right. Cause he's like, I have a friend who,

00:42:27.300 who got it, who got really sick from the vaccine. And I believe that's why he got taken off the market.

00:42:31.740 And so they're having this little debate. And the reason I bring this up is because it like,

00:42:36.660 it was the first time on the show that I'm like, that's like, I think he's connecting the dots in

00:42:42.220 real time. Like he, he just caught Dr. Hotez who he obviously had on because he believed some of the

00:42:48.300 stuff he says, and he thought he was, um, a credible person. And I'm like, he's connecting

00:42:53.000 the dots that he's lying about this one vaccine. And then like, as time went by every once in a while,

00:42:59.780 I would like see reflections of like Rogan questioning the mainstream narrative on vaccines.

00:43:04.880 And then eventually he had like, uh, Rhonda Patrick on who was a friend of it. He actually

00:43:10.320 had a debate with her on the COVID vaccine on the show. Like they had like a friendly little

00:43:15.080 debate and they're pushing back and this and that. And he's like, and he's just saying things that

00:43:18.780 logically make sense. Like if you already have the virus, you've already tested positive a bunch of

00:43:24.580 times already been sick. What's the point of getting the vaccine and taking that risk? And, um,

00:43:29.380 and that's the thing. Like I always tell people, I'm like, if something seems like it doesn't make

00:43:33.120 sense, it probably doesn't make sense. I think sometimes we are, uh, we are told and convinced

00:43:39.260 and tricked into believing that it doesn't make sense to us because we're too dumb to understand.

00:43:44.100 And that experts have it figured, uh, they figured it out. Like, don't, don't worry about it. Like,

00:43:49.000 it doesn't make sense to you because you're an idiot. And, but the experts say it makes sense.

00:43:52.800 That's because it makes sense, you know? And, and most of the time that that's not the case. Most of the

00:43:58.100 time something doesn't make sense. It's because it actually doesn't make sense. And, uh, so little by

00:44:02.480 little, he, he evolved. And I think that, you know, seeing him in real time going from like

00:44:07.760 never questioning vaccines to Dell Bigtree calling him a wuss saying that he, he knows personally

00:44:14.420 that Robert Kennedy Jr. Has, uh, you know, their people, uh, have talked to the, the Rogan people

00:44:20.700 and he won't have him on. Um, and Dell Bigtree seemed upset about that. Uh, and rightfully so

00:44:26.180 to eventually having Robert Kennedy on and letting him do a three hour history lesson on

00:44:32.460 the, the lack of signs of vaccines and, and all that type of stuff. I'm like, you saw it in real

00:44:37.760 time. And so I think a lot of people, even in our own personal lives, like sometimes it takes that

00:44:42.360 much time. It takes like, you know, one, one conversation, one documentary, one article,

00:44:49.120 one person. And, you know, I've had pushback in my own personal life with many people throughout the

00:44:53.920 years. I mean, I have two kids. I'm not ashamed to say that neither of them have never, they've never

00:44:58.120 been vaccinated. They're, they're both great athletes. They do great in school. No, you know,

00:45:02.260 no, um, autoimmune issues, no allergies, nothing. And, and I, and I say this publicly because not

00:45:09.420 because I'm, I'm bragging, uh, but because there's a lot of parents who are looking to make those

00:45:14.180 decisions who like all they hear is that if you don't vaccinate your kid, all these bad things are

00:45:21.000 going to happen. And like, if, if you're reassured that like, Hey, we were told the same scary things

00:45:28.100 and we've have examples of kids who are 10 and eight and are, you know, have no cognitive issues

00:45:37.920 have, um, like they're great athletes are never sick. They're not allergic to anything. We never

00:45:42.340 go to the doctors for any reason. Um, then maybe it will reassure you that like, Hey, I can make this

00:45:48.560 decision and it's not a bad decision and whatnot, because I think the people who for a long time,

00:45:53.300 I mean, if you're, uh, anti-vaxxer for lack of a better term, like you, you were like the worst of

00:45:58.060 the worst. I think like, you know, like saying that the moon landing was, was faked or, um, you know,

00:46:04.640 or saying that nine 11 was an inside job was like less, uh, of a emotional response than saying that,

00:46:10.560 you know, vaccine was linked to autism or it was like vaccine anti-vaxxer was the tip of the spear.

00:46:18.000 And, and it was only second place. And it was a far second place was like Sandy hook denier.

00:46:23.160 And if you had those two things, you were absolutely the worst person alive,

00:46:28.480 flat earth or moon, moon landing denier. Those are just silly. Those are not so egregious,

00:46:33.760 right? You're like, Oh, you're an idiot. You believe in flat earth or whatever, but

00:46:36.840 you think you, we land on the moon? No, there's just no fucking way. I find it funny. I wish they

00:46:45.860 would have sent that bitch to the moon. Katie Perry's a keeper there, but they, they barely

00:46:49.340 got out of like outer earth orbit. They're doing a fucking ritual. I think they're doing some divine

00:46:53.840 feminine bullshit. You know what I mean? Cause remember the guy that retrieved the egg from

00:46:57.580 fucking the UAP, whatever. And he's like, yeah, when I was flying the helicopter, I got a sense

00:47:02.360 that I could, I was sensing God, but it wasn't masculine. It was feminine only. And then all of a

00:47:07.220 sudden fucking, uh, what's her name? Katie Perry goes into low earth orbit, whatever you would call it.

00:47:12.860 And she's like, I really felt connected to the divine feminine, the goddess energy. Shut the

00:47:17.200 fuck up, man. So I think they were doing some kind of goofy, uh, little, little ceremony or ritual,

00:47:22.400 but, um, Ricky, what you're talking about there, right? Even, even the, the length of time that it

00:47:28.800 takes for an individual to come to the conclusion that they've been lied to is directly correlated to

00:47:33.580 how deeply they've been propagandized. And that's a problem though. I'm going to, I'm going to call

00:47:38.520 bullshit, not, not on you, Ricky, but I'm calling bullshit on Rogan mostly because he knows these

00:47:45.040 things. He was saying them early in his podcasting career. He's friends with Eddie Bravo. And then he

00:47:51.060 goes on and like, like you said, like he's, he's having this conversation with Peter Hotez and he's

00:47:55.380 like, that's strange because my friend actually got Lyme from that. And I'm like, you're playing stupid

00:48:00.820 motherfucker. You are not stupid, but you're playing stupid. So there's like this, uh, I love Rogan,

00:48:06.860 love what he does, but it's without a doubt that there's a controlled release to what he's doing,

00:48:12.940 which is why he might be doing it smart. He might have to do it that way. When you have the biggest

00:48:16.020 platform in the world, you can't just come out and say X, Y, and Z. Maybe you can let the audience

00:48:21.340 come to their own conclusions and let the guests say the crazy things. Do you think a little bit is

00:48:27.040 the weight on his shoulders of like, Hey, as much as I want to pretend, I don't know that this is the

00:48:34.740 biggest show on earth and everything I say will influence everything and the whole world as we

00:48:41.260 know it. Uh, like, I think that weight is, is on his shoulders and he recognizes it and it's

00:48:47.320 unavoidable. And I think at times he, he might know something, but unless he's like completely bought in,

00:48:53.820 he won't take that leap quite yet. And I think, you know, with the vaccine thing, it's like a perfect

00:48:59.880 example, because he would push back on Eddie and others who were anti-vax. And then eventually he's

00:49:05.940 like, Hey, here's Robert Kenny jr. And I'm letting you completely debunk all the vaccine science

00:49:11.400 uninterrupted for three hours. And I'm putting it out there and I know it's going to be one of the

00:49:16.620 biggest downloaded shows ever. And I know it's going to change a lot of people's minds. So it's

00:49:20.500 like for him to take that leap, you know, I, so I do think, and I think you guys have, um,

00:49:25.700 hung out with Sam and, you know, probably even Eddie at some point, you know, I did too, uh,

00:49:30.580 throughout the years. I remember always like saying, Hey, well, like what's Rogan doing,

00:49:34.620 you know? And Eddie would always, and Sam too, would always reassure me that like, Hey,

00:49:39.160 he's coming along. He's, and you would see it like, so the Alex Jones, uh, episode where they

00:49:45.200 talked about pizza gate, right? Yeah. And, and you could tell that Joe wanted to pretend he was

00:49:52.000 skeptical for the purpose of like, Hey, I'm going to pretend I'm a listener of the show

00:49:59.740 who's called, who thinks everything you say is bullshit. And then we're going to review it

00:50:03.980 and we're going to talk about it. And then this way, you know, I don't get, I don't get

00:50:09.300 looked at like, Hey, I just let this guy spew whatever he wanted. And I didn't correct him

00:50:14.120 or call him out on anything. And he did the same thing with Bert, uh, Bart Sabrell, you know,

00:50:18.540 and, uh, Bart's been on my show, the, the moon landing guy who, uh, did the movie, uh,

00:50:23.520 a strange thing happened on the way to the moon. He, he was famous for having the astronaut punch

00:50:27.580 him in the face for, um, you know, uh, he had, he had a Bible with him and he wanted Buzz to put

00:50:32.400 his hand on, on the Bible and, uh, you know, talk about the moon or admit that he didn't, he did go

00:50:38.760 to the moon or didn't go to the moon. And, um, so, you know, he did the same thing where Bart was

00:50:43.060 like, felt like Joe was pushing back a little bit and Rogan was trying to reassure him that like,

00:50:49.440 Hey, I'm pushing back because this helps the audience and this will help you in the long run,

00:50:54.480 because now I'm asking the questions that they're asking and I'm pushing back a little bit,

00:51:00.340 which gives you the opportunity to kind of rebuttal what a lot of these listeners are

00:51:05.180 probably screaming into their phone or computer while they listen to podcasts. So I think there is

00:51:09.940 a strategy and there is a method to his madness. I also think he's human, right? And everybody kind

00:51:14.820 of reaches places, you know, at a different time and different rate. And, and I think when you,

00:51:22.320 you know, you guys are podcasters, I'm a podcaster. I like to believe when you listen to somebody that

00:51:27.940 many hours, like, you know, who they are. Yeah. You, it's to some extent, I mean, of course there's

00:51:32.640 always going to be things that maybe somebody does a really good job of hiding or, you know,

00:51:37.380 manipulating maybe a little bit, but like for the most part, who they are is going to come out

00:51:41.300 and you can only bullshit for so long, especially when he was doing three hour podcasts, you know,

00:51:47.680 five times a week for years. Like if you listen enough, you're going to get all shades of his

00:51:54.580 personality, right? You're going to get, you know, all aspects of them and little tidbits of who he is

00:51:59.900 will come out. Right. And that's why this is my problem though. Cause it's, you know, I know who

00:52:04.980 Rogan is. And I also understand what you're saying, where you have to play both sides a little

00:52:08.920 bit of the way. And also to have a, have conviction on something that, uh, that you might not be right

00:52:16.420 on. I understand that he understands he's moving culture, but on the other hand, you're having

00:52:21.320 guys like Michael Osterholm on who, in my opinion, that kicked off this whole COVID insanity. Like when

00:52:27.260 he had him on, that's the world shut down a week after this guy came on and preached like

00:52:31.540 hellfire and brimstone. And I, you know, it's, it's unfortunate, but when you're at that level,

00:52:38.220 when you're like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, or like these Ben Shapiro guys, it was like, I am

00:52:42.500 looking at every single thing you're saying and you've accepted this platform. It's a Faustian

00:52:48.540 bargain. So it's like, you better be fucking right. And you better be right right now because it

00:52:53.260 matters right now. So, you know, we allowed the vaccine talk to happen and he pushed back

00:52:59.700 on it until finally there came a point where he was like, you know, basically saying this

00:53:03.240 is nonsense, but there's so many people in the interim that got hurt. And it's like, you

00:53:08.940 knew this. And, and so the latest thing is, uh, the experts I've been calling the experts

00:53:14.460 fucking fake and gay for years now. Haven't believed a word they've said since probably,

00:53:19.300 I don't know, 2018, at least maybe even earlier. Like, you know, the whole Donald Trump thing

00:53:25.380 really started to wake stuff up with a lot of people and really expose these bad actors.

00:53:30.760 And just last week, that's it. Like now we have the Rogan narrative where he's, uh, he's basically

00:53:37.260 single-handedly taken down the experts or they've done it themselves. And all he had to do was sit

00:53:42.220 there and go, huh, that's interesting. Why did you say that? Why did you? And now, yeah, the experts

00:53:47.360 are dead. So it's like, well, why now? Why, why have we waited this long when these people

00:53:52.020 like James Lindsay, uh, that other gay British dude, Douglas Murray, they've been retarded

00:53:57.260 for quite a while out there preaching their good message on your show to millions of people

00:54:02.740 to the point where they've subverted the right wing. And it's like, but just now we're allowed

00:54:06.940 to call them what they always have been. I've been calling James Lindsay all kinds of slurs

00:54:13.320 for years. Clint couldn't understand my friend, Clint Russell. He's had him on the show multiple

00:54:18.600 times. I'm like, this guy is a faggot. You don't understand. And he's like, I don't get

00:54:23.320 it. And I'm like, look at him. Look at what he's saying. He's clear. Like I could, I can,

00:54:27.440 you're clearly a leftist. You're coming to me as a leftist saying you're parading as a right

00:54:31.580 wing and whether you're right or left doesn't matter. But if you're going to lie to me, bold

00:54:34.980 face like that, I'm like, at least make it good. At least disguise. It's like slightly

00:54:39.120 better. This guy's an asshole and you know, whatever. But now we're finally dealing with

00:54:43.180 it. And it's like the damage has been done. So I've been a fan. I've been a fan of Rogan

00:54:48.700 since about late 2009, 2010 or something like that, like real early. And I got into him because

00:54:54.860 he was talking about conspiracies all those years ago. And I was a fan all the way up until

00:54:59.740 2020. I'm still a fan of him. It's just like, how long could you listen to a dude? And what

00:55:05.380 ended up happening was I had my suspicions about the lockdowns and Rogan eventually platformed

00:55:12.280 Robert Malone and Peter McCullough, I believe it was. And so much of what they were saying

00:55:17.360 confirmed what I was looking at. So I was like, okay, I don't need to. This is happening too

00:55:23.280 slow for me on the Joe Rogan podcast, which is not his responsibility. You know what I mean?

00:55:28.020 I mean, we're at a really pivotal moment in American history. His responsibility is to walk

00:55:34.980 by the hand these people that, and I get it. I'm just, it's so, so frustrating. Like the people that

00:55:40.100 don't get it, right? He's walking them by the hand and you have to show them slowly, step by step.

00:55:44.860 Look, here's what's going on. Here's both sides. You still don't get it? Let's walk you through it.

00:55:49.000 Then three years later, we'll say, oh, well, this is what really happened. But this is three years

00:55:52.700 later. That's what I'm saying. Like if you're a conspiracy theorist, it's kind of like,

00:55:55.960 and I don't think people are guilty of looking at Rogan as an authority figure really. But you're

00:56:01.500 better off just doing your own research, which goes in the face of, you know, trust the experts

00:56:05.320 or whatever. But my moment that I thought was really strange, it's very anecdotal. There's

00:56:09.540 nothing I could prove about it and makes a funny clip. We've made a clip of it before where Joey

00:56:15.200 Diaz is high out of his fucking mind and something happens. And Joe Rogan, he said, maybe he wasn't

00:56:22.600 like picking up Joey's call. And he's like, yeah, dog, I don't know.

00:56:25.960 Uh, we thought the CIA came and visited you again. And he fucking Rogan goes, what? And

00:56:31.500 then Joey Diaz goes, nevermind anyway, and just fucking changes subjects. And I'm like,

00:56:37.460 was it? And what I want to say, all I want to say about that is like, you don't know what

00:56:42.100 happened to Rogan. He, I think I have a good sense of who he is just based off of the countless

00:56:47.840 hours that I've listened to him. But you have the biggest platform in the world. It's awfully

00:56:52.560 attractive to people who have a lot of power. And who's to say that somebody doesn't come and

00:56:57.260 let's just say, manipulate you one way or the other kind of coaxes you or, or maybe they,

00:57:04.220 they bribe you or maybe they fucking threaten you. You know what I mean? I just think sometimes

00:57:08.120 we're not looking at Rogan's platform for what it actually is. It actually is the biggest platform

00:57:13.560 on the fucking planet. So do you think that there is not constant attempts to co-op that platform in

00:57:20.040 some way, shape or form? We're talking the same intelligence agencies that created the fucking

00:57:24.220 doors and, and Jim Morris and, you know, everything that Laurel Canyon did. They, they manufacture our

00:57:30.260 culture currently and have for generations, but what they would leave Rogan's podcast alone,

00:57:36.400 the most significant cultural manufacturing machine, you know, of modern day. And then maybe

00:57:41.580 what's next after that. What's more, I mean, shit, man, this is an honest question.

00:57:45.020 What's more influential Twitter or Joe Rogan? I don't know. I can't answer that. I almost want

00:57:51.380 to say that Joe Rogan is probably still more influential than Twitter. What moves, what,

00:57:55.920 you know, that's a, that's a great question. And they both move on major levels.

00:58:00.400 So I just think like, man, who knows the pressures that he's under. And, and I think that Joe Rogan did

00:58:06.220 really well for a really long time and he's still great. You want to listen to something about MMA?

00:58:11.000 There you go. You want to listen to something about health and nutrition? There you go.

00:58:13.660 You want to listen to something about hunting? There you go. There's all kinds of fascinating

00:58:16.780 shit still happening there. But as far as the cutting edge of information, that's pertinent

00:58:20.740 to the moment that we're in, because if you fucking go one way or the other way, you get

00:58:25.240 inoculated, you get vaccinated, you get fucking myocarditis, you know, or some shit like that.

00:58:30.500 You're going to need the ripple report.

00:58:32.560 Yeah. There's other places for that. There's other places for that, but I just think there's no way.

00:58:37.540 There's no way in hell they didn't get interested in the Joe Rogan experience as a platform.

00:58:41.300 There's no way. I have no doubt that, I mean, there, there's no rock that doesn't,

00:58:47.380 you know, get looked under, right? I mean, if you're the CIA, there's operations for absolutely

00:58:52.300 everything. I mean, I remember when I had Jesse Ventura on and he, he talked about when he became

00:58:58.560 a governor and how, you know, he was called into the white house. He went into like this,

00:59:04.000 they wanted to talk to him and they brought him into some, like some meeting room and nobody had ID.

00:59:09.340 Nobody, nobody would tell him who they were. And he's like, what the fuck is going on here? And

00:59:14.200 he's, uh, he's like, dude, I'm a, I'm a governor. Like you guys need to tell me who you are. And,

00:59:20.300 uh, and he's like, most of them probably gave him fake names. So he talks to, I don't know if he was

00:59:25.180 somebody who was, uh, in secret service or buddies in the CIA, but he's like, Hey, what do you think

00:59:30.760 this was all about? And then he's like, they want to know how you got elected. And he, you know,

00:59:35.540 cause he was the first independent, um, uh, you know, uh, Minnesota governor to be elected in

00:59:40.400 Minnesota. So like, it was all about like consuming data and, and, and gathering data to

00:59:46.440 eventually use for their own propaganda and whatever. So like, without a doubt, like I'm sure

00:59:52.920 there's a lot of stuff that happens behind the scenes with Rogan that we're not aware of in regards

00:59:58.760 to like, you know, them trying to influence them, him and, uh, them trying to, uh, you know,

01:00:05.220 some way sway them in one direction or another. There's even stuff that he's probably not even

01:00:09.600 aware of. Right. And, and maybe he's had people on that he thought were sincere and, uh, and decent

01:00:16.220 people. And then next thing, you know, he's like, you know, I think they were a fucking, you know,

01:00:20.520 a plant, you know? So I think it's all those things, right. It's like, it's so many of,

01:00:25.620 and I, again, I'm very hard on Rogan, but I do think he is one of the people that has

01:00:30.880 navigated that the best it to the best of his, I mean, to the best of anyone's ability that thus

01:00:37.280 far, you know, he still has maintained this, like, uh, I guess somewhat view of the truth.

01:00:43.600 He just has to like, like he's, he's got to jump through ropes to get there, man. Like he can't

01:00:49.300 really just say anything because they'll, they'll try to kill right now. They're trying to kill him

01:00:53.800 for the, for the experts thing. Like, like, uh, James Lindsay is saying that, oh, this

01:00:58.780 was a test. The, the Douglas Murray, Douglas Murray was actually sent to help Rogan and

01:01:03.160 Rogan failed. And now basically we have to take him down. This is what James Lindsay is

01:01:09.200 saying. It's like, well, who the fuck is we, who is they, why does this, what does this

01:01:13.580 have to do with Israel? What are you guys talking about right now?

01:01:16.760 It's super scary. I mean, how, I mean, how many conspiracies, like huge

01:01:23.580 conspiracies, like some of the biggest conspiracies, the biggest ones, the biggest

01:01:27.020 ones, JFK, nine 11, Epstein, right. Those are three. I mean, maybe COVID you can, we'll

01:01:35.260 find out that they're some way, but like at least those three, the one thing people

01:01:41.960 won't talk about is the Mossad link. And it's like, you know, and, and maybe sometimes

01:01:47.740 they'll bring it up as like a footnote, but nobody talks about it as like a, like a

01:01:52.680 primary suspect in those, you know, it happened. It happened so long ago. So it

01:01:57.260 doesn't even matter. I even think the same shit with the, with the P Diddy

01:02:00.580 thing, just given that he was running that blackmail operation out of the

01:02:03.320 Virgin islands. And it's like, so Epstein is operating out of the Virgin

01:02:06.480 islands. So is P Diddy. What are they just waving at each other from island to

01:02:09.840 island? They're not having any crossover. They're not banging the music industry.

01:02:13.820 I mean, there you go. There's a lot of P and some people believe Candace Owens is

01:02:17.960 kind of hit on this topic to a bit. So when runs the music industry, I was like,

01:02:22.540 I bet, dude, I fucking bet she does. Yeah. When is she going to be on a Tom

01:02:26.500 McDonald song? Uh, but it'd be better. It'd probably be better. Uh,

01:02:30.700 would be better than Ben Shapiro. Um, uh, Roseanne killed it though. She did. All right.

01:02:35.600 Yeah. Uh, well, Roseanne is my favorite. Everybody thinks she's some subversive,

01:02:39.660 evil Jew. And I'm like, maybe, but she's a lot of fun.

01:02:42.400 And I just, I love literal crazy person. I met her at a skank fest sort of, and she

01:02:48.360 was like sitting in the corner. I was like, hi. And she was like, I was like, okay,

01:02:51.560 nevermind. My bad Roseanne. Sorry.

01:02:53.540 Sorry.

01:02:54.020 Union of unwanted. We had her on and she was hilarious because she, she called in, um,

01:03:00.380 her, she, her internet wasn't working. So she called in using like a landline,

01:03:03.580 which we had to like, you know, delete the video and upload it because they had her

01:03:07.240 number on. That's so funny. Yeah. We're like freaking out. We're like, Oh, she's

01:03:11.200 going to get calls like right after the show. But, uh, so, uh, we, she's on and so

01:03:17.280 she's on the landline. So she doesn't, she can't see who's visually on the call. Well,

01:03:21.400 one of the people that, uh, we invited or are actually Sam invited, I wasn't even

01:03:25.800 certain who he was, but he's a guy in the comedic world. I think he does movies or

01:03:30.780 whatever, but apparently somebody brings up this guy, right? And apparently he said

01:03:34.860 something about her special ones. She didn't, he, she didn't know he was on the

01:03:38.660 call. So she goes, she's like, dad, fucking faggot left liberal retard, you know,

01:03:45.520 like going crazy. Right. He's like, fuck him. You know, this is like, like goes on

01:03:49.440 this huge rant. Right. And then we're like, uh, we're like Roseanne, he's on the

01:03:53.200 call. And then he's like, he's like Roseanne, Roseanne. All I said was like, I just

01:03:58.860 felt like that special that, um, that you're referring to, like you, it wasn't up to

01:04:03.640 par. It wasn't like to your level. And, and just because you do amazing work and

01:04:07.900 I just feel, and then she's like, yeah, you're probably right. I love her. I

01:04:12.180 fucking love her so much. I laughed my ass off because I grew up watching that

01:04:16.700 show. It's like, I can't like, even when she's talking about serious stuff, like

01:04:21.800 I'm, I'm like, I, I can't like, I can't help but like smile. Cause I'm like,

01:04:25.960 she's so funny in the way she says things. But one thing that we talked about with

01:04:29.500 her too, and this kind of goes into some of the topics we're, we're hitting on

01:04:32.340 is something that she said, which is really important. And this goes into the

01:04:37.700 deeper level of conspiracies, the level that like, you know, Rogan won't go into

01:04:41.760 at most of the time. And, you know, we talked about like, people talk about how

01:04:46.440 like, it's all financial and it's, it's like very kind of like materialistic

01:04:50.860 surface level of view of things like, Oh, you know, we're, everything's just in

01:04:55.640 influence by money. And it's like, kind of, but then there's another level to it.

01:05:00.040 Right. And she talked about how like her and Tucker were the highest rated, you

01:05:04.980 know, they're huge personalities, high rated people on the, on TV and they both

01:05:10.760 got dropped. Right. And like you didn't get dropped for financial reasons because

01:05:15.240 they were killing the ratings. They got dropped because of maybe spiritual, maybe

01:05:20.040 evil entities, maybe, you know, it was because the agenda was bigger than just

01:05:24.320 financial. And that's the thing that people don't understand. Like there is

01:05:27.400 another, when you look at like a Bill Gates, like he's not doing things because of

01:05:31.480 finances, right. He's already loaded. You know, when it's about molding the world,

01:05:36.460 it's about, uh, it's about influencing and engineering the, the civilization in the

01:05:44.860 image that you want and having control over it.

01:05:47.540 She believes all that spiritual stuff. Cause she was, she was talking with Tucker

01:05:50.560 Carlson and they started talking about the Nephilim and, and, and top and I almost

01:05:53.640 had a stroke because it was in the early inception of the show. And, um, and it was

01:05:58.340 just like right place, right time, right name, because it became sort of a, a, a

01:06:03.280 bigger talking point in the conspiracy zeitgeist after that conversation. But

01:06:06.700 yeah, they both believe in, you know, spiritual entities, a spiritual realm, and

01:06:10.900 that, that this is moved in a way that to your point, Ricky, it's not just a nuts and

01:06:15.160 bolts and cash. There's something else going on.

01:06:16.820 Oh, without a doubt. And when you look at the history of eugenics and you look

01:06:20.860 at, you know, it's, it's all like spiritual to some extent. And I think, you

01:06:26.180 know, you talked about, uh, alcohol, uh, I'm Portuguese. I was born in Portugal.

01:06:29.820 My parents were winemakers. I've, uh, alcohol has always been a big part of, uh,

01:06:34.220 you know, our culture. And, uh, and I, I have a glass of wine every night with

01:06:38.700 dinner and I, I, some of my best ideas and thoughts come from when I'm drinking.

01:06:44.220 And, and because I think we're like, we're creatures of habit and we get very,

01:06:48.580 uh, easily stuck in a pattern, not just of living, but thinking. And sometimes you

01:06:54.160 need something to kind of like throw a, you know, a stick and, you know, the spoke of

01:06:58.420 the bike and like, just get you to fall and be like, yo, where the fuck am I? You know,

01:07:01.380 like I've been just kind of riding this bike in the same road, not even thinking

01:07:05.180 about looking at my surroundings or looking at things from a different perspective.

01:07:08.420 And that's why I think like traveling, you know, sometimes substances, you know,

01:07:13.020 like a drink or smoking or whatever you want to do.

01:07:17.560 Well, we talk about that often. It's like the Greeks, they attributed a lot of their

01:07:20.900 great works of art or otherwise to the muses. And, um, and even that, that gentleman that

01:07:26.500 we mentioned earlier, Dr. Jerry Marsinski, he tells us that he believes upwards of 80% of

01:07:31.320 our thoughts are not actually our own thoughts. They're just things that we're observing that

01:07:35.020 are passing through. And then he gets the question, what's the source of those thoughts?

01:07:38.480 Yeah. He's like, uh, he thinks like we're antennas. So as you're saying, cause I agree

01:07:43.220 with you. I'm not like, when I say these things about like, well, alcohol is, you know, it's

01:07:46.620 going to summon spirits is like not, I mean, yes, but in moderation, you know, even in the

01:07:51.960 Bible is like drink, but don't get drunk. There's a certain like level that you can do to

01:07:56.160 like thin this veil because there is some, like, there's something that you can gleam from

01:08:00.700 the other side of this veil. And you can thin it a little bit with a certain

01:08:04.360 substance, substances, uh, mushrooms, uh, alcohol.

01:08:08.200 Wasn't Stephen King a raging alcoholic? He says that all his fucking coke head.

01:08:12.080 Oh, he's a coke head. Okay. That his works all came to him in dreams. It goes to show

01:08:15.560 you there's different ways to be, you could be inspired. You could be inspired to write

01:08:18.880 about fucking demons and drinking, uh, children.

01:08:21.560 Then that goes to, that goes to the MK ultra idea, right? And, uh, a lot of the study that

01:08:25.560 we've been going through with, uh, uh, Dr. Andrija Puharic and what he was doing,

01:08:30.660 summoning the, these, uh, summoning the, the council of nine and his work that will

01:08:36.200 then translate into telepathy and MK ultra that would be developed a couple of years

01:08:40.980 after. So it's like, it's all very similar. It's all the same thing. Everybody has this

01:08:45.940 idea of how to do it, but we don't, we can't really put our finger on exactly what it is,

01:08:51.340 but I think the government might have. I just want to go back to something though,

01:08:55.320 before we dive into, if we're going in that direction, MK ultra CIA, things of that nature,

01:08:59.940 but we were just talking about Jesse Ventura and in very many ways, Jesse Ventura is why

01:09:07.060 I was skeptical of the COVID era because back in 2009, I think it was on his show conspiracy

01:09:15.380 theorist. He had a lady on, I forget what her name was, but she had fleed the country.

01:09:19.120 She was a whistleblower. She came back to talk to Jesse Ventura and the long and short

01:09:23.540 of it, or the short of it is that she believed they were using gain of function research to

01:09:29.460 manufacture a virus that was going to be detrimental, but what was even worse than it was going to

01:09:35.240 be our reaction to the virus and specifically the vaccination that followed. She said this

01:09:39.380 back in 2009. And I never forgot that. And I just want to put this, we're talking about

01:09:45.400 Rogan, how a narrative changes. Suddenly he doesn't believe that the moon landing was

01:09:50.080 faked. This is remember 2009 Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory. This is a show that never

01:09:56.420 leaves me. It makes me skeptical of everything. It makes me skeptical of swine flu, H1N1, Zika,

01:10:03.180 Ebola, everything that happened. I was like, Oh shit, this is it. They're going to fucking

01:10:06.920 do the thing that they're crazy. As I run this through the script, I'm just thinking about

01:10:10.860 I'm like, there's not going to be any discernible words in this episode. It's going to be great.

01:10:15.880 This is, I want to share this really quick. This is a boom share screen. This is Jesse Ventura.

01:10:21.680 Let's see what date this is. August 30th, 2021. And he says, people say they don't trust the

01:10:29.220 government so they won't take the vaccine. Really? The vaccine was made in the private sector.

01:10:34.160 The government is paying for you to get the shot for free. So everyone is protected. I urge people

01:10:39.340 to get the vaccine. And you know how crazy that is to be hearing that from a guy whose show is the

01:10:47.480 very reason I'm not going to go through with this lockdown bullshit. I mean, like, what do you think

01:10:54.400 happened there, Ricky? Well, it's funny you say this because, uh, you know, I had a similar experience

01:10:59.920 with Dennis McKenna, uh, Terrence's brother. He's been on a bunch. Um, and I also had a similar,

01:11:06.260 well, and then Ventura is kind of very similar. And then also this doctor called Dr. Robert Lusting,

01:11:12.460 who, uh, had like this viral, um, you know, a lecture about the sugar industry and how it's like

01:11:18.800 really the leading cause of all our health issues and whatnot. Uh, he was in the documentary sugar

01:11:23.420 coded, but, um, but similar stories were like, I had Dennis McKenna on, right? We talked the first

01:11:29.620 time he was on, we talked about plant medicines. Uh, we talked about his, um, that he was a part

01:11:34.360 of this movie called neurons to Nirvana, great documentary, uh, all about plant medicines.

01:11:39.240 And I've been a huge fan of his and he could see through the, you know, the big pharma bullshit

01:11:44.160 and he could see, you know, he understood why it was being suppressed, but then you got them.

01:11:48.160 The second time he was on was, uh, I think it was around, um, Trump's first election and he goes

01:11:54.780 on this giant anti Trump, you know, rant. And I'm just like, Oh my God, like not even psychedelics

01:12:03.020 can get you to see through the propaganda. Like he, he is talking about the left, like they're the

01:12:08.740 saviors and Trump's the boogeyman. And I'm like, so even somebody like him has certain blinders.

01:12:15.200 And then Jesse Ventura was the same thing. It's like, he hated Trump so much and was,

01:12:20.360 and again, and they talked about how, like when you're older in age and you're closer to the

01:12:24.220 finish line than you are to starting point, like your perspective on, um, you know, on the vaccine

01:12:28.980 was slightly different because it's like the older you were, the more you wanted to believe

01:12:32.940 that it would help because you're afraid of death, you know? And, and maybe you, uh, when you get

01:12:38.060 older, you require to have a little bit more faith in modern medicine and the medical system,

01:12:43.100 because you're just required to use it more often. Um, so I think that was a little bit of

01:12:48.080 the issue, but I remember having Sean Stone on because Sean was another one who'd been on the

01:12:52.280 show a bunch. And he, at the time, uh, they used to do a show on RT called, um, watching the hawks

01:12:58.560 with Tyrell Ventura, um, uh, this, uh, host Tabitha. They've all been on my show. Cause that,

01:13:04.040 you know, that was a show I used to watch on a daily basis and, uh, on RT and Sean was on there too.

01:13:10.220 And I'm like, Hey, you're friends with all these guys. Like they've all been on my show,

01:13:13.940 like Tabitha, Tyrell and Jesse are all pro vaccine. Even though you guys have all been a part of some

01:13:20.200 amazing work in the conspiracy world. Like what the fuck is going on? And, and Sean, like,

01:13:25.640 you know, he just, I, I, he kind of said what I, I think expect him to say was, you know,

01:13:30.760 he just, for some reason, well, I think a little bit, it was fair. I think a little bit

01:13:35.440 was like his dislike of Trump that it just happens to be one of those

01:13:40.220 topics where he has blinders on there. And there's a lot of people like that, you know,

01:13:44.180 Dr. Robert Lusting, um, he books around here somewhere, but it's, you know, does amazing work

01:13:50.760 on dietary, uh, you know, uh, helping your health the dietary way, you know, and, and, um, I think

01:13:57.560 the, um, is it a case against sugar? I don't know, whatever, but he, he's done a lot of work on sugar

01:14:02.800 and just how the sugar lobbyists have done a great job of giving you this propaganda,

01:14:08.440 the fats and sodium and all these other things are bad for you when really the culprit is sugar.

01:14:13.100 So we have this huge podcast talking about all, all this work, all this amazing research,

01:14:18.040 the benefits of keto fasting, the benefits of eating whole foods, the benefits, you know,

01:14:22.480 of all these things, how, how, uh, sugar is bad and how sugar industry has paid, uh, you know,

01:14:27.980 uh, scientists that, that, and, and nutritionists to say that, you know, don't eat this, don't eat

01:14:32.620 that when really it's sugar. And then at the very end of the show, I don't know how it got brought

01:14:36.980 up, but somebody brought up the COVID vaccine. And then next thing, you know, like he's going on

01:14:41.440 this pro vaccine rant. And, and I'm just like, look, I'm like talking to him and I'm like, how do

01:14:46.800 you not see that the same money motives that are pushing this narrative are also pushing that

01:14:52.900 narrative? And, and it's, so it just like over and over again, I, I find these examples

01:14:57.900 of people that are so open-minded with so many, what did he say to it? What did he say when you,

01:15:01.860 when you present them that was there like a block? Well, he just thinks that, you know,

01:15:06.000 that vaccines have like vaccines for some reason is the one. And I always joke around about this.

01:15:11.840 I'm like, do you think vaccines like so big pharma who has the biggest fines and, and, and, you know,

01:15:17.480 in fine history and, uh, constantly gets caught lying about this. I mean, I think Pfizer paid the

01:15:25.580 biggest criminal criminal settlement in history. Yeah, exactly. And, and, and the thing is also

01:15:31.960 what they don't tell you is that the studies that they give to the FDA are created by the

01:15:37.380 pharmaceutical companies who want to give you positive studies to get their stuff, uh, FDA

01:15:41.660 approved and any negative studies don't have to be shown ever. So that's why there's a huge

01:15:47.920 percentage of drugs that get put on the market. So the FDA consider, they consider it FDA approved

01:15:53.400 to be safe for the human consumption and for the public. And then eventually get taken off the

01:15:57.540 market. There's, that's why you see these, these commercials for like, Hey, have you taken this

01:16:00.880 drug and had, you know, it died, you know, a loved one who died, like call our law office. It's like,

01:16:05.000 wait, I don't get it. Like the whole point that I have in the FDA is so this shit doesn't happen.

01:16:09.200 It's so we don't become Guinea pigs and you're like, Hey, try this. Hopefully it helps. And it

01:16:13.820 doesn't kill anybody. And instead it does happen. So it's like, obviously the system's flawed. And,

01:16:19.380 and, and that's one of the flaws in the system is that the studies are created and, and, and

01:16:24.900 manipulated by the pharmaceutical companies because they're not required to show you any studies that

01:16:28.600 show you that their products unsafe. I mean, it's, it's insane. When I had Dr. Peter McCullough on or

01:16:33.540 Dr. Robert Malone, I had them both on before Rogan did and got, they got me banned. Um, and that's

01:16:40.040 when I, I kind of disappeared off the face of the earth for a little while when tap was looking for

01:16:44.640 you. Yeah. Well, it just, you know, Zach worries. We'll talk about it. You know, the Google whistleblower

01:16:49.800 he's been on too. And he, uh, you know, once you get banned off one platform, all the algorithms,

01:16:55.180 like you're on this blacklist where all the algorithms, you know, work against you. And so

01:17:00.200 like, even think, you know, my own shows that I'll Google the look up, like it wouldn't come up. I

01:17:06.580 would go be, I would have to go page after page after page to find my own shows, which previously I could

01:17:12.740 just be like, Hey, I did a show with Rob Wolf, ripple effect podcast, Rob Wolf. Oh, here's the

01:17:16.980 show. I'll send it to a friend who was looking for it. Boom. And that's it. And, and then that wasn't

01:17:21.000 happening. So it's like, you get suppressed by, by everything. But, uh, Dr. Robert Malone, when he was

01:17:26.540 on, he talked about how, like, even the world of patenting things and, and, and getting things

01:17:32.060 peer reviewed, he's like, it's all political. He's like, every university wants their name, you know,

01:17:37.340 linked to this great research or this great, uh, finding, um, all of these, uh, scientists and

01:17:43.140 doctors want to be linked to this great fight because it's like, it's their legacy. And he's

01:17:46.960 like, and it all becomes political. And he's like, there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on

01:17:51.520 like that, where people just think, Oh, it's just good moral people who are just trying to do good

01:17:56.300 work. It's like, no, no, no. Like if you have a study that's flawed, but yet, you know, it can get

01:18:01.400 peer reviewed or it can get published or it seems to be a great finding, uh, in the world of medicine

01:18:08.500 of science. And I can get my name out there. Like you're going to do it, you know, and, and you're

01:18:14.120 going to ignore the fact that maybe you like any other industry, it can get co-opt. And, and, and

01:18:19.100 that's, what's really funny about it too, is like, that's, what's going on behind closed doors,

01:18:22.460 politics and infighting and all this, you know, kind of shady shit. And then they turn around to the

01:18:27.200 public and they go, you're too stupid to understand this. So just trust us, which is wild because

01:18:31.200 even during COVID, uh, this notion popped up that they violated the Nuremberg code of ethics by

01:18:36.940 rolling out this and trying to, um, not to trying to compel you to take it, you know,

01:18:42.340 they're pressuring you to take, cause it wasn't mandated. It was like, you know, it's not mandatory.

01:18:46.020 You're not going to go to prison, but you might not be able to work again. You might not be able

01:18:48.380 to fly or go to a restaurant or do any of these things that convenience you. And I wanted to know

01:18:52.340 if that was true, but I'm not an expert, I'm retarded. So I, but I go, you know what, dude,

01:18:57.440 I'm still going to try. And I found where they did the research on the MRNA vaccine. It was in

01:19:03.140 Princeton. Princeton has like a medical research wing. And I said, man, I sure don't understand

01:19:09.240 what this study is saying because I'm retarded. But I remember from high school that most of the

01:19:14.060 time there's going to be a conclusion paragraph at the very end of this whole thing. That'll kind

01:19:18.680 of wrap it up for you. So I go there and it says outright that, um, due to the fact that there are

01:19:25.760 no long-term studies on this because it's new, uh, this would not be recommended for rollout.

01:19:31.820 There's still a lot of research that needs to be done. Uh, and you know, they told you what you

01:19:35.680 found, but just that sentence alone, which was like one of the first two sentences of the conclusion

01:19:40.780 told you that this is experimental thereby it's violating the Nuremberg code of ethics. And in fact,

01:19:47.640 I believe it's the very first code of ethics is you cannot compel or force or otherwise, uh,

01:19:53.940 a populist to take an experimental medication. Um, and this was experimental just by that.

01:19:59.120 That's all it took. I didn't need to be an expert. I didn't need to be a genius. These people are

01:20:03.780 telling us that we're all too retarded. It's like, keep swiping the groceries at the grocery store,

01:20:09.400 put them in the bag. Don't worry about that. That's, that's the height of the IQ that you're

01:20:13.540 going to be able to achieve is that thing, or, you know, go push these cards or turn this wrench

01:20:17.240 or do whatever. Don't worry, leave the science, leave the medicine to the experts. And it's like,

01:20:21.860 all you got to do is just look at it. And this shit is kind of laid out, you know, those papers

01:20:26.040 from Princeton, uh, one Google search away. I found the PDFs. Um, and then, like I said,

01:20:31.640 I just went to the very last one. It's not out of people's reach, but they've made us think that it

01:20:36.000 is. And then you had event 201, which happened right before, you know, COVID where they literally,

01:20:43.700 you know, recreated the COVID era scenario before the COVID era, uh, you know, John Hopkins,

01:20:51.760 uh, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and the world economic forum were all part of it.

01:20:56.480 I remember showing people that, uh, that video, those videos, uh, during COVID and they're like,

01:21:01.600 wait, wait, this, this was filmed before COVID or like, yeah. And then they couldn't believe

01:21:05.920 that it was this exact scenario of what they were living. And, uh, and yeah. And, you know,

01:21:11.700 I always use the, I simplify, uh, I try to simplify things and reach like the normies,

01:21:16.880 like, you know, the easiest way I can to kind of dumb it down. And I'm always like, okay,

01:21:20.120 if I forced everybody to eat peanut butter, I'm like peanut butter. I think most people would say

01:21:26.300 is, well, at least until recently, it would say that it's a pretty safe thing, right? It's not

01:21:30.700 something that's going to harm most people. Right. Um, but if I forced it on everybody,

01:21:36.240 somebody's going to get allergic reactions. Somebody's going to die from it. It's good. So something as,

01:21:40.500 as safe and, and a food that they sell at grocery stores, that's, you know, people use for sandwiches

01:21:46.660 forever. Um, if I forced everybody to eat this one thing, I'm like, there's going to be some

01:21:51.880 fatalities, but yet you think the COVID vaccine is safer than peanut butter. Cause you think you

01:21:57.220 can force everybody to, to, to, to take it and you're not going to have any, any, uh, issues.

01:22:03.080 And it's like, you can't give anybody or you can't give everybody any one thing and expect

01:22:07.900 everybody to have the same outcome. I mean, there's people who are allergic to the weirdest

01:22:10.940 of things. And, uh, so, and then the, the hep shot, right. That was another thing I'd always

01:22:15.580 try to tell people. I'm like, why it's, it's a sexually transmitted disease. You get it from

01:22:19.780 like sharing needles. Why does a newborn need it? Like why? So you're telling me that I have to wash

01:22:25.500 my hands when I go to a hospital to touch a newborn because their immune system is so sensitive,

01:22:30.280 but you're giving them a vaccine that they don't need without any, you know, logic behind it.

01:22:37.460 Like it just, I'm like, there's a motive and the motive is money. And it, and if you can kind of

01:22:42.160 crack their narrative of like, okay, well, if this is influenced by money, cause that's the only

01:22:47.000 explanation you could possibly have, because you could easily test the mother. You don't, you don't

01:22:51.020 have to vaccinate the, the, the child. Why, why would they, you know, doesn't that make you think

01:22:57.360 like maybe these other vaccines are also motivated by, by money? It's like, it's, it's that simple.

01:23:02.200 And it's like people just, but again, it's like, anytime people start like connecting the dots,

01:23:07.580 like, ah, and then the experts will be like, no, they're wrong. It's been debunked. And then you

01:23:11.940 get these things like, oh, you know, autism, uh, the vaccine linked to autism has been debunked.

01:23:17.560 And I'm, I'm always like, how, how, how, like when you have a parent and there's thousands of them,

01:23:24.180 maybe even millions of them who say that their kids got vaccinated and cognitively they've see,

01:23:30.660 you know, they see them struggle afterwards. Like, are you saying that they're fucking crazy?

01:23:35.480 There's, there's a great documentary called this syndrome. And, um, it's about, it's a,

01:23:40.020 it kind of highlights the experts and, uh, what's this? This is a new, uh, this is from, uh,

01:23:46.420 Robert F. Kennedy. And, you know, he found that he also found the cure for antisemitism,

01:23:50.300 which is a vaccine, the MMR vaccine. But, uh, apparently they're saying the rates have now gone

01:23:55.700 from one in 36. That was the study two years ago that RFK sites. And it's now one in 31,

01:24:01.940 uh, two years, in two years and one in 20 in boys, which is, uh, well, it's like when you're

01:24:10.400 asking, it's like, is this, is money the motive or is it fucking eugenics? Is it, is it something

01:24:14.240 beyond that? Because, well, I mean, Ricky, we have, we've got a crazy ass theory that like,

01:24:20.180 Oh yeah. Can I say it? I like, I like there's a, there's an inflammatory sentence that I like to

01:24:23.860 say, because it gets people going, what? And it's that, I think that the vaccine schedule

01:24:27.620 is an arm of the MK ultra program. And that's, that's, I think that that's exactly what the

01:24:33.340 fuck's going on here because we've gotten the same results from the MK ultra program, uh, as we have

01:24:39.460 from the, the vaccine or the vaccine schedule. And that is you end up with individuals who are

01:24:45.860 subjected to it, developing, uh, latent psychic abilities and, uh, disassociative identity disorders.

01:24:51.980 And what we're seeing right now with the telepathy tapes is what made me think that

01:24:56.300 because another thing by Rogan at a certain time, which is very interesting. That's where

01:25:01.460 I kind of look at it. He didn't have Rupert Sheldrick on years ago. I also had Rupert Sheldrick

01:25:05.300 really? Yeah. I, so I, I had him on, but I, yeah, but I mean, he did have him on and he

01:25:12.520 did highlight, you know, the morphic residence study and, uh, talking about these things.

01:25:17.760 I mean, without a doubt, you guys are hitting on it. And I think it's so important to have

01:25:21.800 shows like yours that will connect these dots because the truth is like, there's something

01:25:27.680 going on that we don't understand that reality as we know it is much more complex and there's

01:25:33.480 much more deeper levels than we understand. And when you look at like a lot of things and

01:25:37.200 that you try to figure it out by like, okay, you look at Nikolai Tesla. He talks about, um,

01:25:42.000 how the universe, if you want to understand the universe, you have to understand vibration,

01:25:44.960 energy, and frequency. You look at like, you know, the pyramids possibly, you know,

01:25:49.920 now they're talking about it possibly being a power plant. And that makes way more sense than,

01:25:54.740 you know, um, any other theory that they have, like it being a tomb with no people in there,

01:25:59.620 which is great. And, um, and so, and you look at like all these, and then you look at like

01:26:04.880 the fact that pyramids, similar pyramids were like created on different continents around the same

01:26:11.140 period, but yet there's no way of traveling or, you know, separated by oceans. And yeah.

01:26:17.860 Yeah. And, uh, uh, you know, this idea of, uh, you know, us all being connected consciously,

01:26:26.660 like it, it makes sense. And the morphic residence study, you know, the, I mean, it was considered

01:26:31.860 pseudoscience, but it's like, okay, we're not telling you, we know what's going on and we just know

01:26:35.460 it's going on. And so it's like, we might not just because we don't understand the method or the how

01:26:41.160 doesn't mean that we haven't proven that something is going on. And for people who aren't familiar

01:26:46.200 with it, they, they would teach these mice, um, or they put these mice in a maze. The mice would

01:26:51.500 take a certain amount of time to learn the maze. Then mice who've never been exposed to those mice

01:26:56.380 or that maze in a different location would learn the maze quicker. And then collective consciousness or

01:27:01.200 something. And, and you look at like, um, you know, have you guys like, uh, dive in into a dove

01:27:07.080 into the, like the water theories and like, uh, Tom Cowan actually does a pretty good job of also

01:27:11.820 explaining it, like the water DNA thing and, and how that regards to like frequency and its effect

01:27:16.660 on water and also the fact that it might have some type of consciousness or, uh, some type it's not

01:27:23.620 just, you know, living waters. Yeah. Well, so it's like, uh, you know, they've done it with like

01:27:28.340 how it crystallizes, um, when listening to like sad music or heavy music or whatever,

01:27:34.760 and that changes. And, uh, so it's like in my, so this idea that like, I mean, we're made

01:27:40.160 of mostly water, right? Everything's made of water. Like, I think the, the importance of the sun

01:27:45.040 and, and water are, uh, understated most of the time. I think it's like the, the, you know,

01:27:50.420 the fundamental ingredients to human life and, and just, uh, or any life really. And, um, so this idea

01:27:56.540 that like, we could all be connected. It is just one huge consciousness and that we're all kind of

01:28:02.360 sharing it or there's ways of, of communicating. I mean, look at like radio frequencies. Like if I

01:28:07.740 don't have an antenna, how would I know that these frequencies exist, exist, right? It would take

01:28:13.540 a method of like tapping into it, but it's there like our same thing with wifi or whatever, right?

01:28:18.700 Like there, there's things that are there that we can't see with our limited senses. So it's like,

01:28:23.780 there might be, we talked about psychedelics, you know, some people believe that's a way of

01:28:27.500 tapping into it. Right. So it's like, there's things about the world and the universe that we

01:28:32.440 don't quite understand. That's why you can't, um, you can't look at like past writings or scriptures

01:28:38.120 or whatever, and just laugh at like some of the things that they say or their worldviews. Cause it's

01:28:43.360 like, there's pieces of evidence of how things really work in those, you know, old writings. And I

01:28:50.140 think our ancestors, and I think one of you guys, uh, talked about maybe it being suppressed. Like

01:28:54.340 you look at the Knights Templar, you look at like the Vatican church, you look at, um,

01:28:58.520 you know, uh, Freemasonry, like, like, is this information suppressed? You look at, uh, you know,

01:29:05.040 Nikolai Tesla when he died in New York, they took all his, his papers. Yeah. Fucking Trump's uncle.

01:29:10.680 Yeah. I mean, look at the Nazi, uh, bell, you know, that whole conspiracy. I mean, there's,

01:29:15.840 there look at people who've been curing cancer with the frequencies, right? So it's like, if I

01:29:20.340 think the same frequency as like a glass, uh, you know, a cup or any type of glass, if I, if I could

01:29:28.000 hit that same frequency as that glass, it cracks, but nothing else in the room will, will be harmed

01:29:33.080 by it. Well, there's people who believe that you can find the frequency of the cancer cells.

01:29:37.720 You hit that frequency, you'll kill the cancer cells and nothing else will be touched. And there's

01:29:43.160 people who supposedly have done it. And so it's like, there's all these, because outside of

01:29:48.180 computers, like our technology hasn't advanced that much. Right. When you look at like our

01:29:52.480 understanding of like the world around us, that's why I think Terrence Howard is so interesting

01:29:56.520 because I think, you know, when he talks about the flower of life, he talks about all of these

01:30:00.140 things. I'm like you, the, the greatest discoveries are typically found by people who are looking at it

01:30:06.280 from a different perspective, who aren't, who are look, who are outside of that, those expertise.

01:30:11.620 Because if I go to school for virology, right? Like they're, they're like, these are the founding

01:30:17.720 fathers of this, this world. This is, this is where you learn. This is how we see the world. This is how

01:30:23.320 we, this is the way we believe things work. So, and then any new discoveries are based on those

01:30:29.600 fundamental principles where if you get somebody complete outside the box, they're like, well,

01:30:34.640 I haven't been brainwashed to believe these are the experts and, and my, you know, my whole field of

01:30:39.240 work has to be based on this initial work. Well, we need somebody to go like, well, what if those

01:30:44.160 initial findings are wrong? What if their perspectives are wrong? What, you know, so I'm

01:30:49.180 building my whole worldview. I always use the example of like, it's like saying, hey, I'll let

01:30:53.820 you build any type of house you want, but you got to use my foundation. Like I'm going to put, I'm

01:30:58.560 going to, you know, build this foundation in this shape. That's it. You can build up, you can do

01:31:03.240 whatever you want from on top, but you're, you have to start my foundation. And I think like,

01:31:07.180 sometimes we should say, well, let's blow up the foundation. Fuck the foundation. Let's

01:31:10.960 start fresh. And like, maybe this isn't the way we have to build a house. Maybe there's

01:31:14.700 other ways of doing it. And those people usually come from outside those expertise.

01:31:19.340 You know, you look at like the same thing as you're familiar with the fool and the, the

01:31:24.720 king archetypes, right? It's like the fool or I'm sorry, the fool and the hero. So like

01:31:28.900 the hero's journey starts with the main character is being the fool, which is to say lacking

01:31:34.020 information to realize that the thing that he's going towards is fucking lofty. Right.

01:31:38.580 And so, but this person who lacks the information, lacks the context, doesn't even realize what

01:31:43.920 they're stepping into, ends up conquering the day and returning back a hero. And it's like,

01:31:49.220 yeah, um, the hero doesn't go to strenuous warrior camp and then gets taught by the experts

01:31:58.060 how to be a warrior and how to go into the cave and how to slay the dragon that hasn't worked.

01:32:01.840 No one slayed the dragon. That's why it's still there. The warriors can't do it. So this

01:32:05.920 moron is who ends up being able to do it. And it's because he sees something from a different angle

01:32:11.320 that probably would have gotten, uh, squeezed out of him if he went to, you know, the warrior camp

01:32:16.740 or warrior school. It's, it's very similar in that way. Yeah. That's why, uh, somebody like a Tom

01:32:23.160 Cowan who is looking at, I mean, he, I remember Tom Cowan back in the day. He was, uh, when I first

01:32:29.280 started getting into his work, he, he popped up on a Ben Greenfield podcast. And, uh, and I love the

01:32:34.720 fact that Ben Greenfield, somebody who knew way more about, uh, health and nutrition and this,

01:32:40.740 the science, uh, research that he's talking about way more than me. Cause I'm always like, okay,

01:32:45.840 am I too dumb to know that he's bullshitting? So when he was on the Ben Greenfield show, I'm like,

01:32:50.760 okay, well, Ben Greenfield will like kind of calm out if it doesn't make sense. And he would talk

01:32:54.620 about how like simple things like just the way we look at something like a fever, for example,

01:33:00.380 right? Um, how we have it all completely wrong. Like we look at it as it's a symptom that we need

01:33:05.900 to deal with when what we should be doing is saying, Hey, this is actually our body fighting what it

01:33:12.640 like, what it needs to fight. And you suppressing the fever is actually hurting the process. And you

01:33:19.920 know, it's, it's the fevers actually, it's like saying like, Hey, I got food poisoning and, uh,

01:33:27.440 you know, like I need to get this thing out of my body. And that's what my body's trying to do.

01:33:31.800 It's trying to say like, I like, I have this thing that I need to find a way out.

01:33:35.940 Right. So instead you're taking medicine to stop yourself from throwing up. And it's like,

01:33:39.200 no, your body's trying to purge this thing. You can't have it in you. It's got to go. And you're

01:33:42.460 like, Oh, better fucking take this medicine and stop that throwing up from happening.

01:33:45.820 Yeah. And, and actually charcoal will actually help, uh, activated charcoal will help with food

01:33:50.300 poisoning. It'll kill the, uh, you know, the, the bacteria, but, uh, but yeah, like, so all these

01:33:55.000 things are like, just, you know, the way we look at it is all wrong. Like most people look at like

01:34:01.640 when they have a fever as like, this is bad. I need to like, get this fever down immediately when

01:34:06.780 really it's like, okay, if it's not at a really, you know, unsafe number, maybe just let your body do

01:34:13.300 its work. Maybe it needs to sweat it out. Maybe it's trying to warm, you know, get hot enough to

01:34:18.140 kill the viruses. And cause he, you know, that's why viruses, uh, stick around during the winter and

01:34:23.680 everybody gets sick. And then in the summer when there's sun's out and every, you know, the

01:34:27.680 temperature's higher, viruses can't live. So people don't get sick in the summer. Right. So it's, um,

01:34:33.280 you know, it's the same thing with like John Stockton talking about, uh, this chiropractor that was

01:34:37.920 really influential on him. And like, you know, instead of always like dealing with like the

01:34:42.020 symptom, he was like, no, maybe like you're getting inflammation cause your body's trying to bring

01:34:45.920 extra blood there. Or like all these just ways of looking at the body as like, Hey, your body's

01:34:50.400 really smart. We've made it. Yeah, exactly. It's not a perfect way. Yeah. It's not just doing random

01:34:56.460 shit. It's not like, Oh, you know, this symptom is only, uh, some random thing because my body's

01:35:02.160 falling apart. It's like, no, it's maybe it's your body trying to survive. Maybe it's so there's some

01:35:06.000 use in what it's doing. And instead of like suppressing this symptom, maybe we should reanalyze

01:35:11.540 it and think like, okay, how can I help it with its efforts? Right. And you know, so it's, it's,

01:35:17.140 it's all like, and again, this goes back to like outside of computers, like our understanding of

01:35:22.180 the world is still very, you know, just hasn't evolved that much. And, and yet anytime somebody

01:35:29.420 goes against the grain, um, they get laughed at and they go, you know, Rupert Sheldrick, I remember when

01:35:34.660 I had him on and he, you know, I went on his Wikipedia just to kind of, you know, see if I

01:35:39.520 had, I could learn any new information about him. And they, the first thing I said was that he was

01:35:43.260 pseudoscience and I'm just like broad pseudoscience. I love Rupert Sheldrick. I think his, his research

01:35:48.320 is fascinating and he's a very respectable intellectual figure. He's, he's doing like these, these studies

01:35:54.320 that he's doing, especially that one with the pets and knowing when you're coming home and shit.

01:35:57.680 Um, those are remarkable studies and they should be received by the scientific community

01:36:03.100 with arms wide open. I mean, it's one of the most fascinating developments in the scientific

01:36:06.940 community for the longest, for the past hundred years, you know, ever since it's been, you know,

01:36:11.700 materialism has been thrust upon us. And all of a sudden there's something here that doesn't fit

01:36:14.800 that paradigm. You would think that they'd be interested in it. They're not fucking interested in

01:36:18.380 it. I don't know. It's, um, tapes. I mean, that's basically expands on his research. Yes. You know,

01:36:25.740 when you look at these nonverbal autistic kids who can, you know, guess things and, and guess what

01:36:30.440 their parents are thinking and, and whatnot. I mean, what is that? Right. The average person

01:36:35.740 would say like that, there's no way you could prove it. And they didn't just prove it like the,

01:36:39.780 the, I mean, I forget what percentage of accuracy they have, but it's like something insane.

01:36:45.060 It's like in one of the instances, it was like a hundred percent, something really fucking crazy.

01:36:49.400 Like, like I, I, I forget whose parent and which student or which child that was, but yeah,

01:36:54.140 really high, really high percentile. What does that tell us? That tells us that like our

01:36:58.000 understanding of things is like, like we, there's a lot more to discover. And, and again, and this

01:37:04.520 goes into, is it being suppressed? Like, do they want us to not under, I mean, Nikolai Tesla and his

01:37:09.960 whole story about free energy, right? Like they suppress free energy can easily be done. Right.

01:37:15.560 Uh, I think zero gravity, uh, all these researchers who, who have looked into all these,

01:37:20.840 I mean, the, the water, uh, you know, car, you know, that guy who, who, uh, ended up having a

01:37:25.560 mysterious death. I mean, the, they used to suppress electric cars. Now they're like pushing

01:37:30.580 electric cars. It's like, it's all about controlling the market control, controlling the

01:37:35.260 resources. It's not about truth. It's not about, you know, any of that stuff. And I, a lot of it is

01:37:39.660 social control. It's, uh, you know, what do you make of it when, when this thing is now being

01:37:45.280 presented, it's like not just being presented, but represented to the public in a very meaningful

01:37:49.640 way. The number one podcast in the world, dethroning Joe Rogan for a couple of weeks.

01:37:54.600 What does that mean to us? Like I, when I look at it, I go, yeah, that's always been there,

01:38:00.700 but why now? And, and then I start to look at, uh, the angle that she's presenting it from.

01:38:06.840 What's her name? Um, Kai Dickens, Kai Dickens. Yeah. And I'm like, Oh, it seems like one of these

01:38:11.680 like 99 truths and a lie sort of thing. And the lie is like, it's hard, it's hard to exactly

01:38:18.740 pinpoint where the lie is or what, what the lie is. But I, I gleam that the lie is we all need to

01:38:28.040 aspire to be this way. Like we all need to ascend. And this is the same lie that is, I, I, I saw on

01:38:36.340 your, uh, on your website there that you have a bunch of, uh, a couple of like, you know, alien

01:38:41.640 encounter or abduction or the alien narrative episodes up recently. And whenever we hear about

01:38:47.540 this alien narrative or this, uh, ascended master that's visiting us, it's like they're constantly

01:38:53.100 telling us the same message. Like you have to ascend. We have to, humanity has to evolve a

01:38:58.560 cataclysm, something going to kill you. And it's like the same shit from these nonverbal autistic kids

01:39:06.280 who are communicating with who knows what on the other side. And now it's presented to us in this

01:39:12.220 weird new age fashion by some lesbian. And I'm supposed to just be like, yeah, cool. Totally

01:39:17.960 cool. I was like, no, not cool. I don't trust a fucking word you say. And you're saying it like

01:39:24.040 truthfully, but you're like, you're cutting out a lot. There's a lot. Have you seen that Ricky? Have

01:39:28.560 you seen that, that cataclysm, uh, in your, whatever episodes you've done in the whole UAP UFO kind of a

01:39:35.580 thing where like, there's a coming, for example, we just talked to somebody, she's an abductee

01:39:39.640 victim. And, uh, and when we asked her what the message was, she specifically explicitly said

01:39:46.420 polar shift. That's the message is that a polar shift is coming. We have to avoid this calamity

01:39:53.680 and we have to evolve. Have you seen a coming calamity thing in any of your research in the,

01:39:59.380 specifically in the UFO, uh, arena?

01:40:03.860 Well, it's funny cause I haven't done, uh, well, recently I had, uh, another guest back on and I've

01:40:09.480 had, uh, Ralph, uh, Blumenthal. He's a journalist who did that, that, um, uh, Tic Tac, uh, article

01:40:16.060 that was on like the New York or Washington post or whatever, big publication that the big article

01:40:21.160 that kind of put it in the mainstream for the first time. He was one of the writers and journalists

01:40:26.200 that were, uh, that put out that article and, uh, talked about the, you know, the, the whistleblowers

01:40:32.060 and all that stuff. But he, he went into the rabbit hole because of, uh, John Mack, right? And

01:40:37.800 John Mack is the Harvard. Are you guys familiar with John Mack? So this is John Mack's very fascinating

01:40:44.000 because he was a Harvard psychologist, right? Who studied nightmares and, uh, you know, uh, night

01:40:50.340 terrors with kids and all this stuff. Right. And, um, they were, they went to him because they're

01:40:55.520 like, listen, there's all these people who are saying they have these interactions with,

01:40:58.460 with, uh, uh, aliens and whatever. Like we think that they're probably dreaming and it's

01:41:03.480 psychological and it's made up or whatever. So John Mack is a Harvard psychologist, one of

01:41:08.300 the most, you know, respected psychologists of the, uh, of his time. Um, you know, author,

01:41:13.900 bestselling author on, on nightmares and all that stuff. He goes to start interviewing these

01:41:17.640 people and little by little, he's like, there's something going on here. So he goes from being

01:41:23.060 a skeptic, going bunk it to becoming a believer. And he starts saying like, I don't know what's

01:41:30.820 going on, but he's like, these are real experiences. And he's like, and you know, there's no denying

01:41:36.100 that. And these people are like, this isn't just mentally made up. And, um, so that like,

01:41:42.320 I thought was a very fascinating aspect of the story because I'm like, okay, that's, that's

01:41:47.120 fascinating. And, you know, and then you look at like, um, you know, the, was it Rwanda that

01:41:52.720 the school where all the kids, it's like 30 something people, including children and teachers

01:41:57.980 too. Yeah. And they all like had this sense of like sadness and like, you know, so there's

01:42:04.580 a lot of that. Right. And like people who, who have these interactions and one, I mean,

01:42:10.960 they're communicating non-verbally, which is kind of goes, hits on some of the other stuff

01:42:14.880 we're talking about. Uh, so maybe there's a way of doing that, that we haven't discovered

01:42:19.560 yet. Maybe there's a way of doing it, that, that, that method is being suppressed from

01:42:24.620 us. I mean, who knows?

01:42:25.480 That's what I think. I think it's more likely we have the ability, but it's been suppressed

01:42:29.380 for a very long time. Look at this. This is, that's the drawing, uh, that the kids drew

01:42:33.240 dope drawing.

01:42:35.960 I mean, it's, I mean, it's pretty wild when you think about like their adults, you can

01:42:41.480 see interviews with them now. And like, I mean, look at the Phoenix lights. Everybody's

01:42:45.500 like every, I'm like, literally all of Phoenix saw it, took pictures of this thing that was

01:42:50.340 completely silent, the size of a football field going over the whole city. And we're

01:42:53.940 just like, yeah, no big deal.

01:42:55.740 The battle of fucking LA was, was insane. That took place in like a matter of like three

01:43:01.500 to four hours or something like that in the real early hours of the morning. They're fucking,

01:43:05.400 they were shooting shells at them.

01:43:06.920 I mean, the Brazilian UFO crash, you know, where they, you know, they shut down a whole town

01:43:12.500 and, uh, you know, the people who transported whatever thing was in there, uh, you know,

01:43:18.760 end up dying, you know, and it's just like, you know, could be a radiation could be, I

01:43:23.540 mean, you look at crop circles, right? There's a, uh, there's a lot of fake ones, but there's

01:43:27.700 a lot of real ones that, you know, they mow it and then they come, the, the image is still

01:43:34.080 there.

01:43:34.860 And then we talked to a guy that, that does them. He says the vast majority are done by

01:43:39.240 people. And you think that like discredits it until he starts explaining why they do

01:43:43.600 it. They're fucking waking up at like 2 AM with this message in their head to go out

01:43:49.860 into a field and make a specific design. And then when they show up, other teams are there

01:43:55.220 sometimes they also were woken up in the middle of the night to go do this.

01:43:58.880 Here's a crazy shit, man. I, I told him, I was like, uh, I said, so these, uh, these

01:44:03.880 markers that you're putting in the, in the grass, I was like, what do they look like? He's

01:44:07.460 like, you know, often comes to me in a, like he, it's a muse, like this idea where

01:44:10.940 he's inspired and he'll write it down. Then he'll gather his team and then they'll

01:44:14.400 do it in a, in a spot, either a spot that he's predetermined or sometimes they've

01:44:18.880 just told him, go to this spot. This is where you should do it. Whatever it is

01:44:22.520 telling him. And I was like, I did a little trickery on him, a little, a little

01:44:26.180 Jewish trickery on him. And I pulled up, uh, the, the keys of Solomon, some of

01:44:31.540 the, the, the sigils that Solomon was using. And, you know, like I, it's a

01:44:36.320 Kabbalistic teaching, but he's using these sigils to entrap demons, to erect

01:44:40.540 his temple. And I said, do any of these look familiar to something that you've

01:44:44.120 put down or seen? And he's like, yeah, mate, that one right there is like the

01:44:47.280 third one on the left. And I was like, that's interesting. They're like, that's

01:44:50.780 the sigil of a demon. And he, but I think he even said, I got to relisten to that

01:44:54.480 episode. He's like, but there was no circle around it. It was just like the

01:44:57.440 sigil. Now the circle would mean that he, this demon is entrapped.

01:45:01.540 In the circle. Yeah. If when you, when you summon a demon or an entity, you'd

01:45:06.120 write their name and you'd put it in a circle. Either they put themselves in a

01:45:11.660 ring of salt or they put the sigil in a ring of salt to entrap either themselves

01:45:15.760 to protect themselves, uh, or to entrap the entity that they're summoning

01:45:19.480 inside the, this guy is just got to download from out of nowhere to put this

01:45:24.260 in a field with no, no ring. I'm like, okay, I don't know what's going on. I

01:45:29.380 don't know what you're telling me right now, but this is wild.

01:45:32.100 Yeah. Yeah. I just thought that was funny though, because like people think

01:45:35.000 that because it, according to this guy is mostly done by people that that

01:45:39.760 discredits it. But I'm like, no, something else is fascinating. Something

01:45:42.180 is communicating with them telepathically. Ricky, we talked about it multiple

01:45:45.120 times throughout the show. The muse is being inspired by your work. Where does

01:45:48.840 that inspiration come from? Are your ideas, your own? I don't think these

01:45:52.440 fucking ideas belong to these people. They're just waking up in the middle of

01:45:55.300 the night and deciding I've got to go put a demon sigil in the middle of this

01:45:58.280 field because it's very important to me right now.

01:46:00.520 And there's also, there's also videos of them being created and you'll see

01:46:05.960 like these white things and then they're being created. Uh, there was a guy who

01:46:10.160 actually took the image, made it 3d and thinks it's like some type of, uh,

01:46:17.360 some type of a tool or, or, uh, technology that to communicate with other,

01:46:23.720 you know, like it's, it's weird, but there's like all these, and then there's

01:46:27.620 like people who go there and they'll, uh, uh, tested for radiation. There's tons

01:46:31.640 like radiation where they're created and, uh, you know, plants sometimes won't grow

01:46:35.540 again in those areas and stuff like that. So, I mean, it's just one of the many

01:46:40.140 human mysteries. And so anytime somebody talks to you with like certainty, be

01:46:45.980 skeptical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And one more thing, we're at the hour and 50

01:46:50.740 mark. We're going to bring it in for a landing, but I do have a kind of a

01:46:52.880 philosophical question for you guys. And it might be a fucking flop, you know,

01:46:56.400 and that's, I've been known to do that. Why are you gay? Why are you gay? Uh,

01:47:01.240 the, the question that I have is when it comes to, we've talked a lot of, you

01:47:05.360 know, Jesse Ventura or, or let's say Joe Rogan is a great example or any of

01:47:09.440 these people who sort of, um, they were almost like champions of the public for,

01:47:16.220 or let's say even more specifically the conspiracy community. And what ends up

01:47:20.760 happening is, and Alex Jones has suffered the same fate. Um, eventually you get so

01:47:26.600 big. People notice idiosyncrasies, things that aren't consistent with the message

01:47:31.220 before you sold out, you got, you know, the Jews fucking gave you shekels. And now

01:47:36.280 and we get, we do that a lot. And in fact, I'm guilty of that bitching and moaning

01:47:40.900 about some other content creator. And it's, it's off putting a little bit. And I ask

01:47:46.800 myself pretty often, especially lately, it's like, think about this from a military standpoint,

01:47:52.500 especially way back in the day before we had firearms and you would have multiple day

01:47:58.180 wars against other giant bodies of military. And you'd have like one or two guys that were

01:48:04.800 like really the shit, you know, they're out there swinging broad swords fucking coming

01:48:09.140 back with unbelievable body counts. The, the opposition is afraid of them. Their name

01:48:14.220 travels far and wide and, and you know, our military loves them. We celebrate them. And

01:48:20.220 then one day after fucking decapitating thousands of Philistines or whatever, they get fucked up.

01:48:27.520 They take an arrow to the knee. They don't swing the same again. They kind of fumble and

01:48:31.760 they stumble and they make a bunch of wrong calls. And it becomes very clear that they no

01:48:35.540 longer have what it takes. But then like, we kind of fucking just barbecue those people.

01:48:39.760 And I'm starting to wonder if there's something to letting a dude swing broad sword for a long time

01:48:47.800 and then letting them sit the fuck down and not calling them a faggot for not doing it anymore.

01:48:52.460 Am I, maybe are we wrong in the times that we're trying to hold these people's feet to the fire?

01:48:57.880 It's almost like some, some, especially some content creators, they become almost more obsessed

01:49:03.880 taking down former heroes, former champions than they do with even looking into the information

01:49:09.720 anymore. It's, it's a, it's a weird game, right? Cause in the UFC, when, uh, Michael Chandler comes

01:49:15.980 to mind, a guy, I don't know if you guys watch the UFC, but he sat out for a couple of years waiting

01:49:20.680 for Conor McGregor, came, got, came back, got beat up by Patty Pimlet. And I'm like, I'm still not

01:49:25.820 sure how good Patty Pimlet is. And I'm not sure how good he is and how much, uh, Michael Chandler has

01:49:31.420 degraded, but look pretty good. I will say I'm a, I'm one of those guys that was super skeptical

01:49:36.860 of Patty. And I'm like, he looked really good. Like he's got a chin on him. I, my thing with him

01:49:42.380 is like, I was like, he's, he, he moves back in a straight line with his chin straight up and

01:49:46.580 Chandler actually hit him. There's this, there's like a still frame of this guy's jaw, just going

01:49:50.140 to other side of his head. And it didn't even, you don't notice it in the fight because he didn't

01:49:54.080 even really stun him. So I'm like, okay, he can do that for a little while. But the point is, is like

01:49:58.060 in MMA, when that person's time has come, like BJ Penn, we knew when BJ Penn was done.

01:50:04.580 We knew when, I don't know, like Donald Sarone, when these guys are done, they get knocked out

01:50:10.080 and we're like, then somebody's got to tell him like, yo dog, Anthony Smith, like you got

01:50:14.900 to stop. Cause you're going to get hurt in the, in the community of like content creation.

01:50:21.780 When do you know when you're done? And I'm not saying like Alex, uh, Alex Jones is done. No,

01:50:26.020 he still has some in him. He's got, he's got a lot in him. It's like, but when do you know

01:50:30.100 you're done? You're not getting knocked out necessarily, but maybe is the better question.

01:50:34.800 Is there ever a point where your previous body of work is so considerable that yeah,

01:50:39.860 you're stumbling now, but like, it's okay, dude.

01:50:42.540 But look at, look, how do we remember Chuck Liddell? Do you remember Chuck Liddell as a bad

01:50:46.540 I remember the fuck?

01:50:47.200 I don't think about him now with the pot belly and all that other stuff. I remember him getting

01:50:52.000 knocked out by Tito Ortiz. Like it's with a jab. It's like, for me, that's how I remember. I was

01:50:58.140 like, man, maybe you should have stopped a while ago, but I don't know. Like when do these people

01:51:03.400 stop? When did they hang it up? That's a good question. Cause there is this, there's always

01:51:07.620 this one thing. There's that one thing that like the Jesse Ventura thing gets thrown at him. He's

01:51:12.280 like, I can't see past this Trump thing. And he loses the plot. And I think Dave Smith's thing

01:51:17.700 was Kanye West because it touched on like a little bit of the Jewish stuff. So that's personal

01:51:22.320 and he missed it. And I was like, oh, that's a little bit of an arrow on Dave Smith. You missed

01:51:26.280 that one. But I still, you know, I'll leave the door open for you, Dave. But once people get

01:51:30.740 something, the vaccine with Jordan Peterson, I took your damn shot. Let me free. Jordan Peterson's a

01:51:36.480 real good question.

01:51:37.280 Dead, bro. You're done. Get out of here. Next, next shooter.

01:51:40.800 These, these ideas are really important. And for me, I'm like, when I look at them and

01:51:45.680 they get these big things wrong, I'm like, maybe we have to cut this guy off. But that's

01:51:48.460 a great question. I don't know when to not listen to these people, when to send them out

01:51:52.620 to pasture because they still have great ideas. They had great ideas. I don't know, dude.

01:51:56.920 And they fucking paved the way. And they paved the way. My name is Top Lofton because of Jordan

01:52:02.120 Peterson. I wouldn't be sitting here without Joe Rogan. What do you think, man?

01:52:08.400 Well, I think humans get things wrong. And I always try to sympathize with the fact that

01:52:15.980 like, if I went back and re-listened, you know, tortured myself by re-listening to all

01:52:20.340 my past episodes, I'd probably find tons of stupid shit. I said probably tons of ideas that

01:52:25.880 weren't fully thought out. And, uh, and you know, if I had millions and millions of listeners

01:52:31.840 who could cut all those in the snippets and expose me for being an idiot for, you know,

01:52:37.000 like maybe I, you know, the conversation would be like, Hey, do we trust Ricky? He said this

01:52:41.960 once, you know, and he said, you know, so it's like, when it's hard. Cause it's like, like

01:52:47.940 we talked about, we don't know when it's organic, when it's just a organic involved, you know,

01:52:53.680 you're evolving your ideas. And as you consume information, or maybe even things that are

01:52:59.420 happening outside of podcasting, like in your personal life discussions with close friends

01:53:04.320 or other researchers or whatever, like maybe you evolve or, you know, are you being influenced?

01:53:09.760 You know, like we just had a union of unwanted Monday and, uh, and Steve from, uh, uh, AM wake

01:53:17.000 up. Like we, we've had this debate about a billion times where he just goes, well, we were right

01:53:22.760 wait before all of them and fuck them. And, and, you know, like, fuck, you know, this guy and

01:53:27.800 fuck that guy. And, and like, you know, and I'm just like, okay, I get it. Like, you know, I, I get

01:53:33.200 it. I like, we'll pat ourselves on the back. You know, we were right. But it's like, it doesn't

01:53:37.780 mean that like a Russell brand or a who, you know, and to me, all the rape, uh, allegations only make

01:53:45.600 some more credible. Cause it sounds like they're trying to like, you know, basically paint, paint

01:53:49.600 them in a bad light. Uh, so like, it doesn't mean that they couldn't have evolved. And if they're

01:53:57.440 on our team for, you know, in certain topics, you know, and if you think like, Hey, with the shit,

01:54:03.400 they got wrong, they like got wrong just because they, they just got it wrong. It wasn't because

01:54:08.000 they were trying to be deceiving or lead you in the wrong direction, but maybe they just,

01:54:14.480 you know, who knows what upbringing they had, uh, what maybe didn't have enough people around them

01:54:20.860 that they, uh, trusted or respected that like push back against some of their views. Maybe they had

01:54:26.520 too many yes men around them, maybe, you know, whatever it may be. So it's like, I always try

01:54:30.400 to give people the benefit of the doubt. I mean, a lot of, you know, we had examples like we talked

01:54:34.400 about today, Dennis McKenna, uh, uh, Tyrell Ventura, Jesse Ventura, uh, you know, so many people

01:54:40.960 who have done some amazing work and then in other, you know, circumstances are completely wrong and

01:54:47.800 they're completely, you know, and it's like, as, as humans, like from our perspective, like I'm

01:54:52.720 always going to like, Hey, if most of the things they do are good, I'm going to still probably

01:54:59.240 consume that stuff. And then when something comes up, that's bullshit. Like if I just think it's a

01:55:04.640 honest opinion, then I'll just be like, okay, that's just bullshit. I mean, once it gets to a point

01:55:08.740 where I'm like, okay, now they're trying to, like, I feel like I'm trying to be tricked or I feel like

01:55:13.340 it's not sincere or I feel like they're pushing, you know, you get that car salesman feel where

01:55:18.640 like, you're just trying to sell me anything, you know, then, you know, for your own incentives and

01:55:23.100 for your, it's not that you really think this car is nice. It's not because you really would drive

01:55:27.160 this thing. It's just, you want me to buy it. You're, and for your own financial incentive,

01:55:30.700 like when I get that feeling, then I get worried. I mean, I think Jordan Peterson,

01:55:34.720 he's had a lot of issues, you know, depression, anxiety. I think he has some psych, there's a

01:55:40.940 huge percentage of people who get in psychiatry and become psychologists because they're trying

01:55:45.680 to deal with their own issues. I forget what the percentage is, but there's a huge percentage

01:55:49.080 of psychologists that get into the field for the wrong reasons. They get into it, not because

01:55:54.160 they're trying to help others, but they're trying to find solutions to their own, you know,

01:55:57.800 emptiness and, and self-doubt and whatnot. And so I think that could be a part of, you know,

01:56:02.760 what happens with Jordan Peterson. Can he say some things that are profound at times? Yeah.

01:56:07.680 But I mean, even when Jordan Peterson would talk at times, like, I'd be like,

01:56:10.760 I don't know about this guy, you know, like there's certain things that like, he sounds smart,

01:56:15.700 but like, I'm dumb. So like, you know, I don't, I've, I've been around people who are smarter than

01:56:21.100 me all the time. So like, that doesn't impress me. Like everybody sounds smarter than me. So it's like,

01:56:25.960 you know, you sounding smart, it's not going to, like, I still look for the substance in it,

01:56:30.380 right? Like you can, you can say like, what are you actually saying? Let's like, okay,

01:56:34.240 you're saying this, but it's not that profound. You just said it in a way that sounds poetic and

01:56:40.200 sounds intelligent. So you make it sound more profound than it really is. But do you really

01:56:43.720 have some new interesting idea or theory or philosophy that you're sharing? No, you're not,

01:56:48.780 you know? So, I mean, it's the same thing with like, and Rogan's been, he's been tricked before.

01:56:53.480 I mean, Stefan, uh, Molly who, or whatever, however you say his name. Yes. He, uh, you know,

01:56:59.880 I remember Rogan having him on and like Rogan like thought he was such this, you know, super

01:57:04.540 intelligent and like, you know, and then later ended up being like, yeah, he's kind of weird.

01:57:08.760 Or he was kind of like, you know, uh, uh, wasn't a huge fan of, uh, some of his ideas. I'm like,

01:57:13.400 yeah, I'm like, you know, some people can get tricked by what they're saying and, or by not what

01:57:19.240 they're saying, but how they're saying it. And to me, like, that's never worked on me. Like when

01:57:23.940 I, when I listen to somebody talk, it's like, okay, I'm not going to think you're right just

01:57:28.500 because you found some really creative or artistic or, or you have a British accent.

01:57:34.400 Yeah. You know, yeah. You see it. It's funny because even in soccer in America, you see a lot

01:57:39.820 of that where people will, uh, a lot of soccer clubs will hire people with British accents or Latin

01:57:45.920 accents, you know, Latin American, Argentinians, whatever. And, uh, they'll hire him as soccer

01:57:50.000 coaches because parents will pay more because they think that they're better coaches because

01:57:55.680 they have an accent. It's like, no, no, he's just saying the same thing that American coach said

01:57:59.140 only he has an accent. So you think it must be deeper and understanding the game.

01:58:04.640 That's the problem, right? Ricky. It's like, it's not these individuals. It's our perception of them.

01:58:10.940 We keep elevating people to be something beyond what we are.

01:58:14.000 Me and David, they were like, our wives are like, Oh, we want to see like experience other

01:58:17.940 cultures. And I'm like, fuck other cultures. No, I don't give a fuck about other cultures.

01:58:22.860 I don't give a fuck about their accents, the food or the way they dress. I'm gonna give a shit.

01:58:26.180 Um, but yeah, America's pretty cool. Like let's, if we, if we stop elevating these people

01:58:30.880 to these positions and we realize that they're, they're no different than, than us, it's the same

01:58:36.260 thing as trust the experts, right? There's no fucking experts. There's people who, you know,

01:58:39.920 they're experts in their relative field, but even experts can be wrong. Stop elevating them

01:58:43.880 to some position that exceeds just a normal human. And there is one difference between

01:58:49.720 like me and let's say like, uh, like even Alex Jones or Joe Rogan. I haven't been unfortunate

01:58:57.640 enough yet to have been wrong on record for as much as they've been wrong on record.

01:59:03.900 Meaning I'm wrong a lot, but I just don't have it recorded.

01:59:07.140 It's just like, I don't, I don't want to keep you forever. Ricky, this is such a fun

01:59:10.840 conversation, but so the thing with like, all right, like back to like Steve, I had failed

01:59:16.040 Steve's, uh, purity test, like back in my libertarian days. So he hated me, I guess for

01:59:21.500 a while. He also hated, he hated me enough to remember me. I didn't even remember him to

01:59:27.200 then like trash us on tinfoil hat when he went on sometime. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

01:59:31.780 He's like, called us feds. And I was like, maybe he said that we were controlled opportunists,

01:59:37.380 not, not, uh, controlled opposition. Uh, we saw an opportunity, somebody opened a door

01:59:43.860 for us and that's how we got. So here's the thing. There are like small tests that you

01:59:47.920 can fail. And apparently under his, I guess under his microscope, I failed the anarchism

01:59:53.600 libertarian test, the purity test, but I did it on purpose because I studied it thoroughly

01:59:57.660 and I realized it was gay and doesn't apply. It does not work after COVID. I was like,

02:00:01.160 this needs to be discarded or at least re-examined and we need to move in a different direction. So

02:00:05.180 I did that, but there's big things, the COVID COVID and the COVID vaccine were those big things.

02:00:12.780 If you fail that, I'm like that, that is my delineating line where I'm like, you are safely

02:00:19.500 discarded to the side here. You have failed the test. This was an easy test too, especially after

02:00:25.420 like the first two months, everybody kind of knew what was going on. You can see it. If you failed

02:00:30.060 that, not only did you hurt people, but it's kind of like either you're doing it on purpose

02:00:35.580 or you just didn't know. And if you didn't know, well, guess what, man, you can't have

02:00:40.220 that kind of a platform. So I feel like for me, it's like the, the bigger things I can't

02:00:45.800 like, if, if we nitpick on these small things and just like start canceling people for little

02:00:50.060 stuff, fighting in the nuance. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, like, what are we doing? What are

02:00:53.540 we doing? But there are these huge moments that you'll see them when they come and you're

02:00:58.980 like, wow, I think Israel is becoming this other huge moment, not yet, but it, it will

02:01:04.680 be this one big dividing moment. That's how everything is pushing. And it'll be a point

02:01:08.860 where you're like, all right, well, you'll either see the crimes that this government is

02:01:12.520 committing or you don't. And people will pick a side. And from that, you'll be able to just,

02:01:18.240 okay, we can safely discard again, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro. It's kind of funny how they

02:01:21.920 like align on the wrong side of all of these topics as well. So it's like, those are the

02:01:27.620 big moments where, I don't, I don't like cancel culture, but it's like, gotta cancel

02:01:32.660 them. Like, I don't know if it means cancel them as much as like, can we all just agree

02:01:36.720 to stop fucking at that? Yeah. Just don't look at this shit. Like they, they were wrong.

02:01:41.800 They led you astray and almost meaningfully, like I'm purposefully on. So it's like, let's

02:01:47.200 let these guys just go do what they're going to do. But like, Hey, everybody, you saw that,

02:01:51.540 right? Okay, good. Let's move forward. Cause we have other shit going on.

02:01:55.120 And the thing is, you know, and, and I, I agree with that. I mean, but the problem is like when

02:01:59.900 it goes too far, we're like, you know, and again, and I, I love Steve and, but he gets on these rants

02:02:06.360 and saying, you know, Whitney Webb, Whitney Webb has been, uh, she's been on my show forever. I mean,

02:02:13.600 before she was a household name, she was on when she was working at Mint Press and, you know, it's

02:02:19.160 like there's, I think they're so skeptical of everything that even when you get somebody

02:02:26.700 who's kind of on your team, right? Like they have a hard time accepting they're on their team.

02:02:30.800 Right. And, uh, and I think in some cases, like you're, you're right. Like Jordan Peterson, like

02:02:36.080 he got it wrong and maybe it's a reflection of his character. And you're like, now I don't know if I

02:02:42.320 can trust you because like, I don't know if you can be, if you're going to be tricked again,

02:02:45.480 you're going to be spewing something that you're uncertain of or whatever. Um, but I also think

02:02:50.820 like, Hey, we can't demonize everybody. Cause I get Steve, same thing. Like he has the, this,

02:02:55.640 like a checklist of like, okay, if you get this wrong, or if you don't agree with him on this one,

02:03:01.340 but there's infighting and everything like the nine 11 community. Oh, if we disagree on, if a plan,

02:03:09.860 I've had Ryan Dawson on my show. I've had, you know, I've had plenty of people on my show that like,

02:03:15.480 you know, we'll just shit on other researchers. I mean, you know, many people on my show and I

02:03:19.840 think, you know, he's one of the gold standards of research. He's not perfect by any stretch and

02:03:24.840 he'll never admit it, say that he is, but James Corbett. And there's, I've had plenty of people

02:03:28.720 that will call out James Corbett's work. And I'm like, I'm like, really, you know, like this is

02:03:34.180 what you're going to waste your energy on is somebody who's given us so much good work,

02:03:38.300 but because you don't agree with him on this one, you know, maybe a JFK assassination,

02:03:42.520 a specific topic or something about nine 11 or whatever, or, you know, you, oh, he's not

02:03:48.320 focusing enough on this or he's, I mean, Alex Jones got some of that. I mean, he was like, well,

02:03:52.100 he's not focusing enough on, on Israel, you know, and, and then he would have somebody,

02:03:56.620 I forget who it was. Oh, is this Stu Peters or whoever it was that was, um, had a debate with

02:04:01.520 him, uh, on the topic. And I'm like, well, look, he's obviously willing to have somebody on

02:04:06.140 to discuss it and push back against it, you know, which is the complete opposite of what

02:04:11.260 Robert Kennedy Jr. is doing. I mean, Robert Kennedy Jr. I mean, he must have like tons

02:04:16.460 of blackmail on him because you know, the, the, the fact that he is so like, he won't

02:04:24.160 even, he won't even show you any signs of him agreeing with anybody else like that, you

02:04:30.620 know, on this issue. Like he won't even like, be like, yeah, maybe you're right. Like he

02:04:34.020 doesn't even like, but yet on, on all the other issues, he's open-minded and he's willing

02:04:39.560 to discuss different perspectives and he doesn't get defensive and he doesn't get, you know,

02:04:43.580 emotional and he doesn't seem to get worked up or whatever. He, he seems to be logical

02:04:48.200 and this, so it's like, it's something really fishy about that. But yeah, I mean, I think

02:04:52.860 the alternative media community, like we, we do spend too much time sometimes attacking

02:04:57.660 ourselves and it's like, okay, well, they're not the bad guys. Like you can either spend time

02:05:02.580 like, cause if you think they're a bad person, that's different, right? Like if you think like

02:05:07.440 they're purposely trying to, you know, I had people. I'm a bad person for sure, but I'm

02:05:11.380 not lying. I'm not lying to you guys. Yeah. What I don't understand is how come there's

02:05:16.160 not room for this? Like, all right. Like you mentioned Alex Jones. I think Alex Jones is

02:05:21.000 highly likely to have been co-opted by somebody, you know, they fucking beat him down to death

02:05:25.420 with the Sandy hook thing. You think he doesn't have a handler. I wouldn't be surprised if he

02:05:28.400 did. If it came out right now that he had a handler, he was co-opted for years and he's

02:05:32.900 been pushing a narrative. I'd go, makes sense. Not surprised, but I love Alex Jones. I would

02:05:39.540 love to hang out with Alex Jones. I would love to have a beer with Alex Jones. I'd love

02:05:43.320 to be at a barbecue with Alex Jones. Like what I don't understand is why does it, okay.

02:05:48.160 Thomas, the paranoid American, awesome guy, a host of reality czars. And you know, he does

02:05:53.100 a bunch of comic stuff. He is a free Mason among many things. And I don't agree with every

02:05:58.680 take that he has. And I probably, I think like, Hey, probably not good to be a free Mason,

02:06:02.300 but I love Thomas. He's a great dude. He's a lot of fun. I'll always do. Why the fuck is that not

02:06:08.020 prevalent in this community? It's like, why does somebody have to get a take wrong and then become

02:06:12.620 the enemy? That's fucking insane. That's insane. Because if you hold me to that standard, I'm going

02:06:18.200 to have nothing but enemies. I'm wrong all the fucking time. So I just don't understand.

02:06:23.720 It becomes counterproductive because it's like, okay, if we have different theories on something,

02:06:29.060 but we're both on the path of trying to expose the same thing, we're trying to find truth. We're

02:06:34.780 trying to expose the elite. We're trying to expose the controllers of the world. We're trying to

02:06:41.140 expose the real corruption and conspiracies of the world. Maybe we come up with different theories.

02:06:46.320 Maybe we have different opinions on how to go about that. But if we're like, the way I look at it,

02:06:51.260 we're still on the same team, right? So it's like, to me, and you know, Alex Jones is a perfect

02:06:55.860 example. You're right. I mean, if something came out that said, hey, like he was being influenced

02:07:00.520 this whole time, you'd be like, okay, that's not out of the realm of possibility. I mean,

02:07:04.320 when you're in our world, like, is there anything out of the realm of possibility? We've uncovered

02:07:09.580 so many different things. But I also think like, hey, he also exposed, I mean, 9-11 and the road to

02:07:15.380 tyranny. You hear so many people reference that documentary. He was at Waco. You can find videos of

02:07:22.540 him at Waco protesting. You know, like this dude is like, he's been on the front line since the

02:07:26.880 beginning. And, you know, and does he get shit wrong? Yeah. Is he a flawed human being? Obviously.

02:07:31.940 I mean, he was alcoholic for a while. He was like, you know, he loses his mind on the air all the time.

02:07:37.280 You know, it's like he and but if we were, you know, balls deep into these subjects for this many

02:07:43.640 years, and a lot of times doing a radio show on our own, we're just kind of in an echo chamber

02:07:48.860 talking to ourselves like, yeah, we probably have a couple minutes of, you know, insanity from time

02:07:54.800 to time. And so it's like, I give him the, you know, a little room for it. But when people are

02:07:59.360 like, he's he's a piece of crap, he's doing this, he's I'm like, okay, yeah, he's he's gotten some

02:08:04.520 things wrong. But I'm like, he's also gotten some things right. And yes, there's some you're hoping

02:08:09.080 that there's people get exposed to maybe there's going to be some people get exposed to the wrong

02:08:14.680 things. But they also get exposed to the right things. And then that will lead them down their

02:08:19.340 own path of researching and, you know, and you're getting by the way, Ricky, you know what their

02:08:24.020 problem is? It's not Alex Jones. It's that they're following a man. You're putting all your stock and

02:08:30.120 all your faith and all your energy and into one talking head. And so when that person deviates from

02:08:35.380 what you believe, when they fall, you know, it's ground, it's earth shattering, it falls.

02:08:39.620 I'm waiting. I'm waiting for me, like for the thing that I'm going to be devastatingly wrong

02:08:44.300 about. Yeah, because it's going to be that one thing. And I'm always looking, I'm like,

02:08:47.520 what am I going to be wrong about, man? It's like, something's going to sneak up on me. And

02:08:50.520 it'll cater to my bias, whatever that is. I try to check it all the time. But it's happening. It's

02:08:55.840 on its way. Hey, but we're all we but but the thing is, I guess the one of my points is like,

02:09:01.360 but that's okay. Like, we shouldn't fear that. Because it's like, as long as I'm honestly,

02:09:06.660 because I'm gonna get shit wrong, you guys are gonna get shit. Like, we all get shit wrong.

02:09:09.600 Like, but it's like, what's our purpose? Like, what was our incentive? Like, what was our

02:09:15.760 motivation? Like, are we trying to find truth? Are we trying to find information that's interesting?

02:09:20.420 Are we trying to connect the dots? Are we trying to gather all these puzzle pieces to have a better

02:09:25.000 understanding of ourselves and the world around us? Like, if that's our honest interest, and what

02:09:30.180 we're honestly trying to do, then in the process of doing that, we get some shit wrong. Like, guess

02:09:35.060 what? Like, we're not gonna be that hard on ourselves. And our listeners and our friends and our

02:09:39.080 family is not gonna be that hard because they know that we weren't trying to lie. We just got

02:09:42.480 something wrong. You know, are you trying to pursue the truth? Or were you trying to make a shit coin

02:09:46.500 and rug pull people? Like, is that what you were doing? This is a question. Uh, Ricky, it's it's

02:09:52.680 clear that you've been co opted by the Jews. It's clear that your pockets are full of shekels.

02:09:57.160 Um, clear that you're running defense for Joe Rogan and Alex Jones and all these people.

02:10:03.100 Uh, can you tell Steve that I like him? Even I think he he would love to see me dead. But I like

02:10:09.060 Steve. I like I think I'd like to have him on the show. And tell him to that we're if his definition

02:10:15.180 of controlled opportunists is that somebody paid us, he's devastatingly wrong. And I wish he were

02:10:19.040 right. I am. I am already like, uh, so Monday show, I haven't uploaded the audio will be up today.

02:10:25.820 Uh, I've been kind of busy couple days since the show, but, uh, I'm already like I can foresee the

02:10:32.060 negative comments because he just goes on like these rants of like, just being mad at everybody

02:10:38.480 who's like kind of on our team and just like mad at this guy because he got that wrong and mad at

02:10:44.420 that, you know, and I'm just like, yeah, and I'm just like, okay, Steve, I get it. But like,

02:10:47.820 can we just talk about, you know, he's still, and again, I don't know where you guys stand on this

02:10:52.780 issue, but he right after the, uh, uh, attempted Trump assassination, he was quickly saying it

02:10:59.540 was theater. It was, you know, it was completely theater. It was he would like us, dude. Are you

02:11:04.720 kidding? We went on tinfoil hat saying that like we were the first people saying that like two days

02:11:09.180 after the event happened. And Sam was like, I don't know if, I don't know if you guys just say

02:11:13.020 this. He didn't even want to put it on tinfoil hat. He put it on dangerous, dangerous, whatever the

02:11:16.740 fuck. Cause he has a thousand shows. And he was like, I'll put it on tinfoil hat. Fine. But he's like,

02:11:20.240 people are going to be upset. I was like, yo, I don't, I don't know if they shot at this guy.

02:11:22.620 It just didn't look like it. I know a guy died in the audience. I know, I know that there's a

02:11:28.140 ritual about getting blood on your ear and blood on your right hand and blood on your right foot.

02:11:32.020 And for some reason his fucking shoe was off and the whole thing was very strange. But

02:11:35.020 what you've just said here to me is that Steve would love us. Yeah. I mean, you guys, you guys are,

02:11:40.480 but that's the thing. It's like, and so if you're, you agree on one issue, but then if he finds a

02:11:45.500 other issue that you disagree on, then all of a sudden it's like, I, again, it just, to me,

02:11:50.740 it becomes counterproductive. And I don't like, I'm always uncomfortable when people are on the

02:11:55.300 show bashing other researchers. I've had people and I, and I know these people, I mean, James

02:11:59.920 Corbett is, he came on my show when I had, he had zero reason to come on my show. I had nobody

02:12:05.440 listening and he came, he was one of my first guests, Jason Bermas, same thing. And it's like,

02:12:10.620 people will try to convince me that these are like bad people who are trying to manipulate their,

02:12:16.240 their followers and listeners. And, and, and I'm like, no, I know these people personally.

02:12:21.020 I've had tons of conversations. I'm like, if they got something wrong, they sincerely just got it

02:12:26.400 wrong. They're not, that's what keeps happening. It's like, the more we do this, the more people

02:12:29.640 I meet that I'm like, I only knew them because I would absorb their content. And then when I meet

02:12:33.460 them, I'm like, you're just a fucking regular dude. You're just a regular dude. Your brain works

02:12:38.060 barely better than mine. Very suspicious of Luke Rutkowski.

02:12:41.680 He met him at Tim Fast, still suspicious. Then we went on his show like two times. I don't even

02:12:45.900 remember. I was like, I fucking like this guy. He's got this weird thing about him. It's just,

02:12:49.920 that's the thing. You meet these people. Well, we're all fucking weird, right? That's why we're

02:12:53.520 here. We're all broken weirdos, man. Well, isn't that, I mean, that's such a really good point.

02:12:58.780 Like if you're in our world of alternative media, like you're fucking weird. Like there's something

02:13:04.580 like, Oh, there's something weird about them. I'm like, yeah, that's why he didn't get tricked

02:13:08.240 because he, do you want to know how weird it is? My, my mother-in-law, we got to end

02:13:12.720 that episode. I'm so sorry. We're keeping you for my mother-in-law walks into my office

02:13:16.040 here and she looks and she goes, Oh, what's that? Cause it's like a camera pointed at the

02:13:20.600 corner of a wall with lights and a fucking big light here and there's computers. And I'm

02:13:25.880 just like, don't even worry about it. You're vaccinated. You wouldn't even, you wouldn't get

02:13:31.640 it. Let's just keep this shit moving, man. We're weird. We're weird people. Oh, Dave, before

02:13:37.300 we end, before we end, one more thing that Steve will be pissed off about, about us.

02:13:41.580 Oh yeah. That we are doing a festival that's going to be better than his Bohemian Grove.

02:13:46.780 We have just secured Sam Tripoli. We have secured Shane Cashman to narrate the entire thing.

02:13:53.420 He's going to narrate it your entire life. No, MC, I think is the word you're looking for.

02:13:58.020 And last night out of nowhere, we pulled off Owen Benjamin, which is, could be a conflict

02:14:04.900 of interest. I know that Owen Benjamin and Sam are not seeing eye to eye, but we're bringing

02:14:08.300 their best friends. I think they're best fucking friends. And you know, the way best friends

02:14:12.700 sometimes get a little fucking, you know, extra stupid with each other. They're best friends.

02:14:16.560 They're practically brothers. And we want them to show that brotherly love at our event.

02:14:21.520 This is all going to be happening and more details will come, but it's going to be retarded.

02:14:24.560 So it's like, I'm, I'm so excited. I hope Sam doesn't get mad about it, but like

02:14:28.500 Owen volunteered yesterday. He was like, yeah, I want to do this. And I'm like,

02:14:32.680 when Owen says he wants to do this, I'm like, all right, you're in.

02:14:35.620 They know. Yeah. Like, no, you can't. They're going to make up. They're going to, I'm going

02:14:39.280 to print out a one big t-shirt for them. They're going to wear it. It's going to be beautiful.

02:14:43.060 We're going to get along. They're going to wear it together.

02:14:45.240 And we're going to bring this comedy, the comedy conspiracy community together. And then

02:14:49.720 Steve, Steve Bacoinan.

02:14:52.120 Well, I don't know. Is that how you say it?

02:14:56.980 No, I think so. I, I, I've struggled to say his name too, but

02:15:01.260 your next brother coming to you. We're going to be friends. We're going to wear a t-shirt

02:15:06.440 or something. You're going to like us, Steve. All right. You're going to like us. And if

02:15:09.140 you want to call us controlled opportunists, what do I fucking care? Yeah, sure. Yeah.

02:15:12.980 Well, I think a lot of people that have been censored have been like a little butter, you

02:15:17.880 know, like I, I get it. I know who I see doing that. I know we're supposed to end this show.

02:15:22.460 David Icke. David Icke is doing a whole lot of complaining.

02:15:25.340 Ryan Dawson wants to fight me. And it's like, Ryan, Ryan, we've been, I've been on,

02:15:28.920 I've spoken to you a number of times. Like we, but it's just like they, they get canceled

02:15:32.700 and then everyone's against them. And I'm like, I get it. I haven't been canceled. And

02:15:36.000 maybe you're mad about that, but I'm like, dog, thank you for being canceled. And then

02:15:40.180 coming back because you took those arrows. Owen Benjamin, same thing, canceled, came back.

02:15:44.700 You took those arrows. So now we could not get canceled and then build off of what you're

02:15:48.780 doing. But there's a psychological toll. I think Ricky, it's hard to get canceled for

02:15:53.660 conspiracy and then watch conspiracy blow up. Yeah. No, I get, I mean, I got kicked off

02:15:59.260 YouTube right after having Dr. Pierre McCullough and Dr. Robert Malone. And those shows were

02:16:04.900 like just blown up on YouTube, got kicked off YouTube. And then Rogan has them on and everybody's

02:16:10.300 talking about those episodes. I'm like, you mother, I'm like, I had them on first and I've

02:16:15.300 like, everybody could have been taught and you know, but I'm like, instead of being mad, you

02:16:18.540 know what I did? I'm like, I'm so happy that Rogan has finally had them on and he's going

02:16:23.720 to help change this narrative and, you know, expose way more people than I could ever imagine

02:16:29.420 exposing to that information. Because if that's your goal, if that's what really motivates

02:16:33.840 you, that's the most important part. Like who cares if I don't get the clicks? Like that's

02:16:37.580 why I always love James Corbett. James Corbett's like, Hey, you want to post my shit on your website?

02:16:41.920 Go ahead. You want to post on your YouTube channel? Go ahead. I don't care. It's all open

02:16:44.640 source. I just want to get the information out there. And I'm like, I love that. I'm

02:16:47.820 like that. It shows you what's really motivating them. And, and, you know, and unfortunately

02:16:53.000 people don't care about that. They're just like, well, you know, I'm getting shadow banned

02:16:57.020 and this person's getting all these clicks. It must be because of this or that. I'm like,

02:17:00.780 you know, I've heard people, you know, Steve being one of them were like, Oh, this person

02:17:03.460 doesn't call me back anymore. And I'm like, did you talk shit about them? I'm like, what

02:17:07.000 do you like? Exactly. You know, I'm like, so it's just like, you don't, I'm, I don't burn

02:17:12.340 any bridges. I try to be nice to everybody. If you seem like a sincere person, we can

02:17:16.380 disagree. I've, I've had professor Richard Wolff on my show. Who's a, you know, the

02:17:20.460 leading scholar in Marxism and Karl Marx and his whole, uh, uh, history and biography.

02:17:25.400 So it's like, yeah, I'll explore anything. And I'm willing to go down any rabbit hole.

02:17:29.560 And if you seem like we might disagree on, on things, but if like you, we disagree just

02:17:34.980 because we have different worldviews and not because you're trying to trick people, then

02:17:38.740 I'm okay with that. Disagreeing is fun. You should have your ideas challenged.

02:17:42.040 That's it. Or you could just hang around with people who think all the same shit that you

02:17:45.660 do. And that's fucking called an echo chamber.

02:17:48.480 That's called the libertarian party.

02:17:50.100 All right, right, right, right.

02:17:52.080 Ricky, thank you for wasting your time with us, man.

02:17:56.360 This is fun. We should, uh,

02:17:58.620 yeah. Um, but we have to end it as all good things. Uh, tell them one more time where they

02:18:04.580 can find you. I want them to go to your website and all that. Whoever doesn't know you for

02:18:08.460 whatever reason. Weirdly enough, I, uh, and I've, I've told this story on, um, um, a couple

02:18:14.120 podcasts ago on my, on my podcast, but, uh, I got reinstated on YouTube out of nowhere,

02:18:17.980 which is weird because all my archives are there and the Dr. Peter McCullough show and the Dr.

02:18:24.980 Robert Malone shows there, which is weird. And, um, I, I did just get a strike for a episode

02:18:30.540 talking about silver as a remedy and that's really just weird of all things. Uh, so it makes you

02:18:35.920 wonder like, what are they censoring? Why? We got popped for, uh, uh, what kind of water was it?

02:18:40.820 Uh, mineral, no, not mineral water. Um, oxygenated. I don't remember some kind of water. We say,

02:18:47.460 wow, we had an episode called the final solution with this guy, Dustin Nemos, where he's basically

02:18:51.980 like, yo, Jews are Nephilim are dead demons and Jews are just dead Nephilim. And I'm like,

02:18:59.020 no, no, he said, he said demons are dead Jews. That's what he said.

02:19:02.060 Oh, right. That's what he said.

02:19:03.000 The best and funniest line I've ever heard. It lived on YouTube, but we talked about structured

02:19:07.060 water. Oh, alkaline water. That's alkaline water. Yeah. Step too far. Step too far with alkaline

02:19:12.200 water. Anyway, this is your, this is a, the ripple effect podcast.

02:19:16.840 Anyway, this is your shit. Yeah. That's the, uh, so I have a clips channel, which I, uh, you know,

02:19:22.340 I, I basically, you know, started to try to have some type of footprint on YouTube. And so I just put

02:19:29.000 like stuff that was kind of safe for YouTube little clips, but yeah, my, my old channel,

02:19:33.200 uh, they gave me a back and we're slowly uploading all my archives and yeah, I love it. They, they

02:19:39.500 definitely, uh, didn't give me all my subscribers back, but I was, I was actually kind of surprised

02:19:43.200 that so many were still subscribed to the channel that didn't exist. That was kind of weird.

02:19:47.260 So, and, uh, I was also kind of surprised that they literally have been holding on to everything

02:19:51.980 since 2021. So they don't just, you know, delete everything. They were literally holding

02:19:58.280 on to all my past archives, everything from, you know, episode one to episode, whatever it

02:20:04.160 was like for something, uh, when it got deleted. So it was, uh, yeah, kind of, kind of weird,

02:20:09.540 um, that they're holding on to everything, but, but, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We hate

02:20:17.300 that guy. I'm joking. Yeah. Underneath that, you see Adam green. He's a, he's also another

02:20:24.620 one who can be a little controversial. Um, Oh yeah. We don't talk to Adam. He's not nice

02:20:28.820 to us. He used to like me and then he stopped following me. I don't know why, but he, well,

02:20:33.620 he's another one who kind of like sometimes does get in that, like seems to like critique

02:20:38.560 other people's work who we're all paranoid conspiracy, paranoid schizophrenics. So, so

02:20:45.140 everybody, we're paranoid about everybody. It's fucking, it makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.

02:20:49.020 And so it, yeah. So, uh, you'll find all those links at the, the ripple effect podcast.com

02:20:54.240 or Ricky brands.com. They'll all take you to the same place. You can also find the union

02:20:58.140 of the unwanted, um, on YouTube for the time being. So right now, both shows are on YouTube

02:21:02.860 for the time being, um, best places probably on our websites or on rumble because

02:21:08.540 I think rumbles, you know, for the most part, aren't really, uh, censoring the type of stuff

02:21:12.900 we're talking about. So, uh, do that. And then the audio obviously is available anywhere. You can

02:21:16.840 get audio podcasts. So, uh, but I can't thank you guys enough for having me. This was a really

02:21:20.720 fun discussion. Uh, hopefully we do it again in the near future. Holy shit. He wants to do it again.

02:21:25.120 I was a hundred percent like this dude's never going to fucking come on an idiot.

02:21:30.320 Thank you for your time, brother. It was a great conversation.

02:21:32.280 Thank you. And typically don't go over two hours. So that tells you something.

02:21:35.740 All right, guys, until next time, don't forget to, uh, obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you

02:21:40.500 the greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly

02:21:48.000 telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what

02:21:55.500 there is to see. Because they'll think face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of

02:22:03.580 what they see with their eyes. And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - April 26, 2025

158： Pharmaceutical Sorcery & The Death of Trust w⧸ Ricky Varandas of The Ripple Effect Podcast

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