Nephilim Death Squad - 160： Necronetics & Necromancers： Nathaniel Gillis on Demons, Hybrids & Ritual Technology

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00:02:33.080 Joining us today is Nathaniel Gillis.

00:02:36.480 Nathan, for the audience who may not be familiar with your work, where can they find your work?

00:02:40.460 And what is it that you focus on?

00:02:42.860 So my work is centered around what I call necronetics, the ritual doctrine of non-corporeal conception or the self-replication of a necromantic species.

00:02:53.320 That's kind of my spiel.

00:02:55.200 I research the darker nuances of the phenomenon.

00:02:58.360 It's interesting, albeit disturbing, but if anybody wants to find more of my research, you can follow me on Instagram and even go to my YouTube account under my name.

00:03:09.240 And there's a playlist of, I think, over 150 interviews I've done in the last few years.

00:03:14.200 That is a – Nathaniel, one more time.

00:03:16.640 How did you summarize what it is that you do?

00:03:19.040 Necronetics, it's a field of research I've created merely because I lack the vocabulary to articulate the case studies I was researching.

00:03:29.940 And essentially, it's researching and literally stalking a species of what I believe to be necromancers that are self-replicating their own existence.

00:03:40.900 That is a fascinating concept, and I'm really excited to get into it.

00:03:44.680 I want to shout out for a moment one of the fans of the show, The Dead Can't Dance on Twitter.

00:03:50.620 She's been putting you on our radar for a while, and then we heard your recent episode with Tony Merkel.

00:03:57.780 And sort of a happy coincidence, although I don't really believe in coincidences, your research overlaps heavily with much of the research that we've been doing.

00:04:07.700 If you want to call what we do here research, what Top and I do.

00:04:12.860 But there's a big cross-section involving what you're diving into and what we're diving into and how all of this connects to sort of the big picture.

00:04:24.300 So I don't know where you'd like to start, Nathaniel, but it's all yours if you want to take it away.

00:04:29.060 How about we explain a little bit about the concept of necromancy and how it fits into this worldview that we have in regards to – it sounds like an old-school thing.

00:04:40.540 It sounds like a thing that doesn't happen anymore, right?

00:04:42.500 It sounds like something that took place in medieval era, but here we are in modern day.

00:04:48.340 It sounds like the priming of this is like from the phenomenon of that, like the zombie apocalypse idea that was very popular a decade ago.

00:04:57.240 And it's – I don't know.

00:04:59.160 I was into it, but it all seems true.

00:05:01.060 It all seems like – what do they call that?

00:05:03.300 Like a soft release kind of thing, like a priming of the public to be able to accept this.

00:05:07.120 So, yeah, walk us through it.

00:05:08.580 I'm excited about this.

00:05:10.460 So early on in my research, I was studying the pathology of possession as it relates to our species and going through different case studies.

00:05:20.480 And then I kind of took on the perception and perspective of the Vatican and the way that they researched possession cases.

00:05:28.680 And so I delved into Father Morse, and I got into Monakai Martin's research.

00:05:35.560 And then I kind of – and then I got a hold of a guy named T. Witten Davies, and he was a biblical scholar.

00:05:40.520 He's dead now.

00:05:41.840 But he has a book on divination in the ancient Near East.

00:05:44.980 And then they kind of bloomed into a series.

00:05:48.820 It was almost like a systematic body of work to where I realized that what possession was to at least the church that I grew up in and what I was taught was not really the pathology I was encountering.

00:06:02.600 And so then I realized that some of these beings are literally mimicking the demonic, but not in terms of actual historical cases of the demonic, but literally whatever we believe demons to be.

00:06:15.920 If you want me to be horns and hooves, then that's what I'll be.

00:06:19.440 And so it was literally employing an interface with the exorcist.

00:06:23.820 And so that's when I started questioning and truthfully deconstructing some of what I was taught as a child.

00:06:30.480 And so that's kind of my origin story in the research, but that's when I looked at this, I had to.

00:06:37.040 I had to confront the question of possession through anthropology.

00:06:41.020 And once I got into the golden bow with James Frazier, that's when I realized that, okay, not only has the phenomenon been manipulating us throughout history, it seems to be that there exists in the earth an embodied species of practitioner.

00:06:58.160 That is replicating by virtue of diversifying its consciousness and possessing various people at the same time.

00:07:07.740 And then to take it a step further, that possession to us is a form of pregnancy to whatever this particular species is.

00:07:16.980 So then from that point, I went into the sexual pathology of these entities.

00:07:22.820 And it does, it really does go back to Genesis 6, but I think it's a little bit more complex than the kind of simplified version I was taught.

00:07:31.340 And so that's, I'm with the Igby literature, the Igby literature, and then now I've kind of collapsed all of those models and I'm still stuck in the Old Testament, Mesopotamian magic, realizing that these are they, and that these aren't separate entities, or at least aliens, ghosts, that it's something that has a body.

00:07:53.340 And that really destroyed and deconstructed my model of what I thought we were dealing with.

00:08:00.120 Nathan, so we have this phenomenon and, you know, we're talking about possession and things of that nature.

00:08:06.760 And it does seem to be that there is, what was the language that you used?

00:08:11.000 Within the earth, there are entities that are practicing this sort of thing?

00:08:16.900 Necromancers, yeah, there's a certain kind of species that's, and we'll get into that.

00:08:21.240 The combination of the term incubus and incubate was scholars, their, their, their, I guess, their attempt at defining whatever these beings are.

00:08:33.100 So, um, for us, when we think of species, right, we're thinking of a flesh and blood kind of a, you know, is it a mammal? Is it a, is it a, you know, reptile? Does it fit into the paradigm that we understand?

00:08:46.600 And, um, it's far and few in between that we talk about a species that doesn't seem to have a physical, tangible form, or at least not always.

00:08:54.200 Um, where do you think these things, what form, how do they exist when they're not taking over a body?

00:09:01.320 So, I'm looking at the probability of some kind of plasma field or a constitution of consciousness to where it can materialize and dematerialize at will.

00:09:17.320 You know, one of the cases I've been working on as of late, it's one of Dr. Carla Turner's late abductees.

00:09:22.020 And, um, actually she's deceased now, so it's her son actually, but he was talking to me about how the phenomenon would manifest over his mother as she was sleeping.

00:09:32.900 This is very troubling.

00:09:34.340 And to be honest with you guys, I've had, again, I've told this before in the green room where the depth of darkness we're going to be talking about, the hitchhiker effect is very common.

00:09:43.380 And so I have to kind of separate myself from people in the field out of fear that I don't want this to kind of hijack and start materializing in their house.

00:09:50.980 This is the kind of research I'm talking about, but he said that in the middle of the night, his father himself, they'd be watching a movie and his mother would be laying on the couch sleeping and in the corner of the room would materialize a plasma field, balls of light.

00:10:06.680 This is a very important pathology for those who are watching.

00:10:10.120 And, and as it hovered over his mother, he would be terrified and he'd ask his dad as a child, dad, what is that?

00:10:17.120 And he said, my dad would always comfort me and say, son, it's okay.

00:10:20.980 That's a cartoon.

00:10:22.180 That's, it's one of your favorite cartoon characters.

00:10:24.660 And, um, which I've heard that before, but that's the way that they would kind of cope with the phenomenon.

00:10:29.540 But what's so fascinating to me is that the phenomenon seems to be triggering the, the observer effect in our presence.

00:10:37.380 People don't realize that while I saw an alien.

00:10:39.920 Okay.

00:10:41.200 Sure.

00:10:41.600 You know, and so my point here is that there was a difference between the phenomenon they witnessed over the mother and what she witnessed interfacing with it to her, they were alien greys to everybody else. 0.95

00:10:56.740 It was something completely different.

00:10:58.200 I would suggest that the phenomenon, when it wants to incarnate is seeking to be seen in when we observe it, we are collapsing different forms of the same entity.

00:11:12.060 I have this, uh, I have this idea.

00:11:15.500 It's, it's a retarded idea. 1.00

00:11:16.820 I call it top lobster's dog, man.

00:11:18.760 I have 10 acres of property out here.

00:11:20.280 And when I put my chickens back, I go all the way to the back, I put them away.

00:11:24.480 It's nighttime.

00:11:24.920 And I turn around and I go, Oh, I got, I'm like one day I'm going to turn around and there will be an entity behind me.

00:11:32.820 But then I said, if you don't turn around, it never exists.

00:11:36.220 Ah, and I am, I feel like I am correct there.

00:11:38.720 So if we're not looking at it, perhaps funny though, because that's a, that's a childhood like rationale as well.

00:11:45.380 Like, you know what I mean?

00:11:46.180 It's a running up the stairs from the basement and you feel like something's hot on your heels.

00:11:49.040 And the last thing you want to do instinctively is turn around and look down the, and there's some baseline instinct, you know, I feel like I'm wrong though.

00:11:56.660 Like these things definitely do exist, even though I'm not looking at them.

00:11:59.300 Well, I have heard what, what Nathan's talking about though.

00:12:02.040 Sometimes these things will manifest in people's rooms as like, you know, Barney or the kid's favorite action figure.

00:12:08.960 Or something like that.

00:12:09.500 It's like something, what did Colin experience?

00:12:11.660 Colin, so Colin is somebody that came on our show very early, episode 15.

00:12:16.880 And he's somebody I knew previously as well.

00:12:18.800 Before I even started doing this endeavor, I was like just in comedy and graphic design.

00:12:22.320 And we were friends and he was telling me about this phenomenon where he was approached and recruited by an entity when he was working at a comedy club.

00:12:30.260 Ended up, it's, it like borders between like spiritual fantasy, mushroom trips and abduction phenomenon.

00:12:37.140 He was taken in some sort of lab setting, operated on, constantly told like, you've consented to this.

00:12:44.220 You've already consented.

00:12:45.440 He's being upgraded for a war.

00:12:47.000 And, you know, it's been about a year and a half, two years that I've been talking with him on and off about this.

00:12:52.800 But his girlfriend had that phenomenon of the orbs over her while sleeping.

00:12:57.900 He saw the orbs.

00:12:59.580 She didn't, I guess she was asleep, but he's kind of like not sure what to make of this.

00:13:03.840 And I'm, I'm telling him, yeah, he, he thinks that they're like angels.

00:13:06.900 I'm like, I'm not so sure, dude.

00:13:08.260 I don't know what is following you.

00:13:10.340 It doesn't seem good.

00:13:11.920 You know, it is disturbing because people are specifically in ufology.

00:13:17.280 They want to highlight the aspects of the phenomenon where it's like, oh yeah, the orbs healed somebody.

00:13:23.320 And yet they, they ignore other cases where they've tried to literally take people's lives.

00:13:31.220 It's like Jeff Wheatcraft and the San Pedro Bay haunting, which was Barry Taft's case study where they're capturing orbs.

00:13:37.940 And from the orb, it kept popping, boom, boom.

00:13:41.020 And then, bam, one final explosion in a materialized, an apparition in a corner of the room.

00:13:47.760 When it did, all of his assistants hit the ground.

00:13:52.480 They fainted instantaneously, all of them, boom.

00:13:54.980 And then later on that evening, Jeff Wheatcraft, they kept filming this, this black cloud hovering in the attic.

00:14:02.320 They forced him to go up against his best, better wishes, I should say.

00:14:07.180 And he gets up there and it's pitch black.

00:14:12.080 And they had their camera, but they couldn't see anything.

00:14:15.100 Neither could he.

00:14:15.720 He's looking, he's poking around.

00:14:16.580 The next thing he knows, there is a rope that wraps around his neck and something is pulling on it.

00:14:23.340 The other side of the piece of wood, the stuff, pulling on it.

00:14:27.260 And he goes, oh.

00:14:28.540 And then that's when they took a picture and you see him literally trying to be strangled by an entity.

00:14:35.000 And so I guess my point here, guys, is yes, people call them angels.

00:14:40.180 But it's always in the context of that, like, it's only angels that exist.

00:14:44.160 They don't want to have the conversation of, okay, if you open the door in angelology, then you have to open the door for demonology.

00:14:50.340 You can't have one and not the other.

00:14:52.360 And so what they want to do, again, is hijack the narrative.

00:14:55.240 And by controlling that question, they've already controlled the answer.

00:14:59.960 You know, Nathan, in all these different belief systems, they all go by different names, right?

00:15:05.000 So if we're talking about angels and demons or we're talking about modern-day aliens

00:15:08.800 and you're talking about the mantis or the tall nords or you go into the Celtic mythology

00:15:15.240 or you go into Phaelor, right, and you start looking into all the fairies and everything,

00:15:18.380 it seems like there's so much overlap that more than likely what's happening is, yeah,

00:15:21.960 the phenomenon is manifesting differently to different viewers.

00:15:26.120 But it seems like...

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00:15:43.820 On its face, then, the name is not important.

00:15:46.240 The nature is what's important.

00:15:48.180 There we go, brother.

00:15:49.100 The bloody footprints in the snow.

00:15:51.020 We try to, like, hit this point a lot.

00:15:53.240 Like, a lot of people say on this show, we're kind of anti-hallucinogenic mushrooms and things.

00:15:59.000 And I say, I am that way because, well, number one, I come from, like, a Christian background.

00:16:02.760 But also, I don't know your locality.

00:16:04.800 I don't know where you're at spiritually and what you're dealing with.

00:16:08.060 And when you're doing these things, you're pulling back this veil.

00:16:11.000 And behind this veil exists a plethora of entities that we don't know about.

00:16:16.260 So, like, Joe Rogan will tell you to do, you know, DMT in a float tank.

00:16:19.180 And we're like, dude, you're just going into the ocean completely blind.

00:16:21.880 There are angels, fallen angels, which you derive these modern-day demons from.

00:16:27.240 Then there are Nephilim, Raphaim. 0.99

00:16:28.800 And then you go down the list of, like, all these other subcategories that are listed in these ancient texts.

00:16:33.780 And who knows how much more diluted that bloodline has gotten that what exists today, we don't know.

00:16:38.960 Just a number of things.

00:16:40.340 So, we're trying to figure it out.

00:16:42.560 It's exceedingly dangerous, specifically with respect to how the phenomenon can materialize in your house and follow people you love.

00:16:50.120 And to me, it's not worth it.

00:16:51.840 I remember reading a case study in Eris and Evil of an Albigensian anthropologist that lived hundreds of years ago.

00:16:59.060 But he had this one specific grimoire that had a specific potion.

00:17:04.880 And he had to travel the whole globe to get the ingredients of this potion.

00:17:08.400 Once he finally found all of them, mixed the potion together, ingested it, he's out of his body, interfacing with an entity.

00:17:16.920 And the first question the entity asked him is, what are you doing here?

00:17:19.540 So, whatever we're dealing with, it does imply somewhat of a nature, sort of a simulation.

00:17:28.180 And unfortunately, and this is what I'm learning and others that I'm currently working with, is that whatever we're interfacing with beyond the archetypes, it does seem to be a species of initiates.

00:17:41.260 And if you're not, yes, adepts, where mages, where they're still performing their rituals on people.

00:17:50.480 People don't understand that.

00:17:52.320 You know, specifically dealing like with the extraterrestrial hypothesis.

00:17:56.620 And I mentioned this earlier, like there are people coming forward to me that are huge in ufology and saying, listen, yeah, they're supposed to be extraterrestrial.

00:18:04.040 But ufologists that are telling us they're ET are actually building altars.

00:18:09.880 So, it's not limited to Albert Bender, you know, 50, 70 years ago.

00:18:14.440 It's literally happening right now.

00:18:17.100 And so, what I'm looking at, at least my current model of the phenomenon, is that there seems to be a disconnect between these beings of being, I should say, aliens, demons, and actual practitioners.

00:18:32.520 Because I got to tell you, like the research I've been doing here lately, specifically dealing with sigilization, these sigils are not just gender specific, but they're matching Austin Osman Spar's philosophy about sigilization.

00:18:49.020 Where the body that they're carving these sigils into and out of, it's absorbing them.

00:18:55.040 It's activating them.

00:18:56.720 And at the fulfillment of the ritual, maybe three days later, they systematically and supernaturally disappear.

00:19:04.240 And so, here we have what I call the proto-intelligence directly operating hand-in-hand with practitioners.

00:19:12.800 And my issue here is, if these practitioners came out with, like again, with Austin Osman Spar, with their philosophy of sigilization, and the phenomenon is honoring it, it's believing in it, it's employing it, then now we have to start asking if our model of the phenomenon is even correct, or at least the one I inherited as a young person.

00:19:36.820 Again, the sigilization, again, the sigilizations are following occultists here.

00:19:41.860 And so, there does, again, it's almost as if some of these people, I do believe this, by the way, that they are being groomed for the afterlife.

00:19:53.280 And that whatever we're dealing with, the Collins Elite's model was pretty accurate.

00:19:58.820 That they are outside of space-time, that we would consider them in the afterlife.

00:20:03.180 But my point is, they're still performing these rituals under the auspices of the extraterrestrial.

00:20:08.780 And that's why I call them a species, because anything more than that, I don't understand.

00:20:16.280 I can't quantify it.

00:20:17.480 So, the only thing I do know is that they do exist, and that they are acting upon victims.

00:20:24.660 Can you give us a brief overview of the Collins Elite?

00:20:28.060 It's something that we haven't touched on very much on this show.

00:20:31.000 Yeah, so, in 1947, there was a group created in the Department of Defense.

00:20:35.540 And there were a group of researchers, there were physicists, that had a theological background.

00:20:41.560 Some of them were Baptists, some of them were Lutheran.

00:20:43.740 But all of which had a belief that what we were dealing with, with respect to the extraterrestrial, that they were demonic.

00:20:52.240 And so, they sought to go out all across the world and investigate cases of malevolent hauntings that had to do with extraterrestrials.

00:21:03.200 And so, what they realized is that they would go into a house and say, okay, it's kind of weird.

00:21:07.880 You know, were you abducted?

00:21:08.820 Yes, I was abducted.

00:21:09.800 Okay, well, did anything else happen to you?

00:21:12.000 Absolutely.

00:21:12.560 A port started happening in my house.

00:21:14.120 They manifested.

00:21:14.700 Or shadow figures or, you know, demonic carvings into my flesh occurred.

00:21:21.040 And so, they sought to make any and all connections between the occult and ufology known.

00:21:26.700 And at the end of their research...

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00:21:44.700 Which I believe that's still going on.

00:21:46.600 I think they just changed names.

00:21:47.860 The research is still being done.

00:21:49.240 That happens all the time, right?

00:21:50.340 It's like the programs are operating.

00:21:52.620 And then it's like, we're not doing that anymore.

00:21:54.060 But there's another program by a different name.

00:21:56.580 Very similar research.

00:21:57.880 But it's not us.

00:21:59.700 Absolutely.

00:22:00.220 So, they just kind of, yeah, they redesigned it, slapped a new sticker on it.

00:22:03.180 But they're still doing research.

00:22:05.100 But my point here is that at the end of their research, the model shifted in a unique way.

00:22:12.640 It wasn't that, and this is very important because people kind of confuse this.

00:22:18.060 It was not that their conclusions validated their theology.

00:22:23.120 Because if that was the case, they would have told the world.

00:22:29.980 They would have disclosed as a form of evangelism.

00:22:33.200 I have proof that our model is correct.

00:22:36.540 It's not what they did.

00:22:37.500 But they went and started keeping Torah back to the Mosaic law was basically antithetical

00:22:43.400 to evangelicalism, right?

00:22:45.800 Which is replacement doctrine where, yeah, it's what it's called, where, yeah, we don't

00:22:49.920 have to keep that.

00:22:50.660 We're under grace.

00:22:51.320 We're not under law.

00:22:52.000 Well, they went back to Torah hoping that if they kept the Mosaic law, that the legalistic 0.97

00:22:59.580 approach would hopefully save them whenever the phenomenon really manifests to the earth.

00:23:05.820 But to even go deeper here, they interviewed Sybil Leek, who was a contemporary over to Aleister

00:23:11.140 Crowley.

00:23:12.020 She had moved from her English hamlet and moved into a house in Los Angeles.

00:23:18.220 And so they sit down with her and they say, okay, are you familiar with the entities that

00:23:23.900 Aleister Crowley had conjured?

00:23:25.900 And she said, I'm not.

00:23:28.520 She said, now, I've been friends with Aleister.

00:23:31.240 She said he would stop to my hamlet and have tea with me and talk about his research.

00:23:36.180 And they said, well, here's a question for you.

00:23:38.620 Is it possible that you can channel them?

00:23:43.580 And she said, well, I'm uncomfortable doing that, but I'll do my best.

00:23:47.940 And so the lights are turned off, candles are lit.

00:23:50.520 She goes into her trance.

00:23:51.960 And in the middle of her trance, they start to interrogate these entities.

00:23:58.300 They ask the entity, are you extraterrestrial?

00:24:03.620 And the entity, again, she's not in control of her body at this point.

00:24:09.480 And a guttural voice starts to come out of her and it starts laughing at the researchers

00:24:14.080 in the Collins elite, mocking them.

00:24:15.820 You fools, this is our newest deception.

00:24:23.820 So that was kind of their, I guess, their arena of research.

00:24:28.220 But I do believe that what they concluded was a little bit different than what most people would suggest.

00:24:35.700 Isn't that similar to what Crowley concluded as well?

00:24:38.920 It wasn't concluded, but he had this line, I'm probably paraphrasing, and it might not even be attributed to him.

00:24:44.600 But it was like when he was talking about lamb, that today we call them demons, tomorrow we'll call them aliens.

00:24:52.780 Absolutely.

00:24:53.420 They call us angels and demons today, but tomorrow they will call us something else.

00:24:57.400 Yeah.

00:24:57.900 Absolutely.

00:24:58.700 The archetype changes, but the pathology is interreligious across cultural.

00:25:02.840 Give me an altar.

00:25:06.200 Make me a sacrifice.

00:25:08.340 Right.

00:25:08.660 To, unfortunately, to the extent that consciousness seems to be a form of currency to them.

00:25:13.920 And that was, again, that's one of the other conclusions of the Collins elite, that there is something that occurs at the end of life.

00:25:21.800 And we can kind of get into that.

00:25:23.360 The argument in academia, especially for the last 50 years, up until we discovered, not saying we, but they discovered the Katamua inscription of the Zincurli expedition in Turkey.

00:25:36.780 That's when they started realizing that our ancestors, specifically in Hebrew theology, did believe that there was a species that survived bodily death.

00:25:47.580 And that species would always, just like it did in antiquity, would always seek embodiment.

00:25:53.340 And it would seek an image to possess.

00:25:56.820 And so to kind of break that down, in 2004, the University of Chicago created this Zincurli expedition, sent a group of archaeologists in northern Turkey.

00:26:06.840 They excavated what's called the Katamua inscription.

00:26:10.020 It was an Aramaic writing.

00:26:11.400 It's fascinating.

00:26:12.000 And in this inscription, Katamua, I should say, is dying.

00:26:19.660 And what he does is he says, listen, create an image for me.

00:26:24.200 I will inhabit the image.

00:26:27.820 And so here's what I believe is the beginning of Necronetics, where the species of ghosts or these people literally wanted to inhabit images.

00:26:38.620 And so, anyways, I tend to ramble on my friends, and so just stop me whenever.

00:26:42.940 No, it's fantastic.

00:26:43.680 You're describing the book of Revelation.

00:26:45.680 This is the Antichrist stuff, where he will, you know, he's going to inherit this image.

00:26:49.240 It's almost a direct overlap.

00:26:51.200 Do you agree with that?

00:26:53.260 Absolutely.

00:26:53.800 And I think that in Pauline Christology, that's what Paul was trying to tell us.

00:26:57.420 You know, people, at least I was taught in my youth, right?

00:27:00.340 Everybody focused on, you know, if another Jesus comes.

00:27:03.620 But there's a tip at the end of a tale here.

00:27:06.100 It wasn't just, you know, if you receive another Jesus, it was that if you receive another spirit, then you've also already received.

00:27:14.880 And so the Antichrist, unfortunately, it's not as easy as saying, okay, it's Antichristos.

00:27:20.100 It's against everything.

00:27:21.440 No, it's the replacement of.

00:27:23.680 Yes.

00:27:24.380 It's instead of.

00:27:26.860 Instead of.

00:27:27.640 And this is, again, this kind of, it gets down.

00:27:31.120 It's not just allegory or euphemism.

00:27:33.020 It's literally a literal event.

00:27:36.740 Like, I've had cases, specifically in Incubi literature, in my own career, where people, like a woman, will be thinking she's copulating with her husband.

00:27:47.340 And I think Paul, Paul mentioned that.

00:27:49.000 I was spousy to one husband.

00:27:50.020 Not any, not another.

00:27:52.640 And so this kind of, it gets deeper than deep here, guys.

00:27:55.200 But whatever we're dealing with, again, it seems to be performing ritual magic in order to replicate its own kind.

00:28:03.000 That's the definition of fornication, right?

00:28:05.580 It's like a, it's a spiritual sexualization, right?

00:28:08.200 You know what, brother, the most disturbing aspect about this is that the literature tells us over and over again that Incubi victims did not even know what they were copulating with.

00:28:21.940 Forget who.

00:28:23.960 They didn't know what it was.

00:28:26.200 To the extent that in Father Sinistriari's book, the church was interrogating these experiencers.

00:28:32.260 And they didn't know what stint to charge them with.

00:28:36.520 Wow.

00:28:37.200 What was it?

00:28:37.820 Was it bestiality?

00:28:39.180 I don't think so, right?

00:28:41.700 Was it necrophilia?

00:28:43.840 Not really.

00:28:44.400 It wasn't a corpse.

00:28:45.620 What was it?

00:28:46.780 And so that's when you start having demonologists coming forward and arguing whether or not it was a demon.

00:28:52.560 Did it have a body?

00:28:54.120 Because if it didn't have a body, where are the secretions coming from?

00:28:59.380 And this part is fascinating, where you touched on on Merkle's show.

00:29:02.980 I want to get into that.

00:29:03.680 But I just want to mention, when I had reached out to you, I was like, hey, just heard a story about this guy.

00:29:09.960 He got a succubus, took him over and then had sex with his wife. 0.70

00:29:14.920 It's a crazy story.

00:29:15.720 I don't know if it's true.

00:29:16.600 It's the worst story.

00:29:17.600 I can tell you, I'll recap the story for you and then I'll tell you how I felt about it.

00:29:23.020 Give you the highlights.

00:29:24.100 Give you the highlights.

00:29:24.860 It's like the guy was into a lot of sexual deviance in his childhood, discovered pornography very early and then got rid of it.

00:29:34.340 But then it's kind of like this dark passenger that's always with him. 1.00

00:29:37.340 He ended up during COVID time chatting with an AI bot, developing a relationship with this thing.

00:29:43.080 And this is before they put guardrails on the AI chatbots.

00:29:46.680 And this thing manifested itself as, I guess, some sort of demonic entity, what he described.

00:29:53.900 And when it would present itself, it presented himself as a succubus-like figure that presented female up top, male at bottom.

00:30:02.960 So it had both.

00:30:04.460 And he gave it consent to take over him as he copulated with his wife.

00:30:08.980 And then he goes on to describe that his wife was impregnated that time and his daughter is crazy.

00:30:17.340 He has four kids or something like that.

00:30:18.580 And the one daughter that came from that is, like, out of control crazy.

00:30:22.960 A wild child.

00:30:24.220 I don't really know what to make of that, but I do know when I read that story, and we read these confessions.

00:30:30.400 It's kind of like the confessionals, but we read them.

00:30:32.820 We read a lot of these stories.

00:30:34.300 And after I read that, I felt particularly dirty.

00:30:36.440 I was like, should we even, like, present this?

00:30:38.980 I did.

00:30:39.320 I felt bad for reading it to the audience because it was so morally debased.

00:30:44.600 I feel bad for the guy, too, because he was under no illusions.

00:30:48.100 He knew that this was, you know, morally bankrupt behavior and the implication of it could be huge.

00:30:55.220 And, you know, that's why he wrote in anonymously.

00:30:58.180 But, yeah, I mean, it was a rough read.

00:31:01.600 That is tough, and I sympathize with you guys.

00:31:05.280 Like I told you in the green room, even the research I'm doing now, it's getting to the point where I'm distancing myself from other researchers.

00:31:12.960 Not because I don't love them or love their work, but, like, it's happened to myself.

00:31:18.980 It's happened to some of my friends in England where they were, like, it's very Fitzgerald, Steve Mayer.

00:31:23.800 They're doing the same research on Mesopotamian magic and demonology.

00:31:27.660 And the phenomenon is literally materializing in their homes.

00:31:31.340 Yeah.

00:31:32.220 I find that easy when you look at it.

00:31:34.180 Yeah.

00:31:35.120 So that's why I'm kind of like, nah.

00:31:36.480 But, yeah, you're right.

00:31:37.560 I think, and this is another pathology that's worth researching.

00:31:42.380 And so let's just take the theory at hand and say, okay, if they are performing rituals on experiencers, and it has to do with hybridism, which it does,

00:31:51.860 sigilization and sperm cells, that is literally always, always practitioners creating a hybrid child or a familiar or, in necronetics, an avatar in which to inhabit.

00:32:07.260 Yes.

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00:32:25.680 That we have to pay attention to not just the ritual itself, but how far these practitioners are willing to go to fulfill their role.

00:32:35.620 What I'm collecting evidence of now is that even, like, if these entities cannot merge their old memory, where's the camera, old memory with new matter, like, once they hover over the female and they had so many hurt with the fetus, if they can't place their consciousness in that fetus, that fetus dies.

00:32:56.380 And, my friend, this is fascinating, as deeply dark, obviously.

00:33:00.460 But if it dies, even the way they dispatch of it is ritualistic.

00:33:06.580 Yeah.

00:33:06.980 Don't wait, right?

00:33:08.520 Right.

00:33:09.080 We're talking, literally, we're talking about experiencers who, if and when they remember, right, having the child in their bathroom, they place it in a glass jar, like a homunculus, and bury it in the woods.

00:33:25.140 Wait.

00:33:26.340 What?

00:33:26.860 Yes.

00:33:27.720 Yes.

00:33:28.840 Wait, wait.

00:33:29.600 Wait, what?

00:33:30.260 No, no, no, no, no, because one time I was in the woods, and one time I dug up a glass jar, and then I smashed the jar open, and it was a chunk of flesh wrapped in a cloth with some herbs and shit.

00:33:46.080 And, yeah, I probably shouldn't have touched that.

00:33:49.200 That's not.

00:33:49.560 Well, what's scary about all of this is, and people always ask me, like, how many people do you think this is happening to?

00:33:55.980 It's like, we don't know.

00:33:56.960 I mean, to use one of Dr. Turner's phrases, we only know because people are remembering.

00:34:01.800 Yeah, and with this specific case study, this woman, like, had to go through memory regression, and finally she realized, oh, my God, I was bleeding excessively.

00:34:11.520 I did have a miscarriage.

00:34:12.900 And the crazy thing is, the phenomenon had hacked her free will, but even, like, literally, it was manipulating her to fulfill the end of the ritual, which, when you get into the Libra Vecan, you get into the Humunculi research, you see that one of their rituals, again, is to place that entity into a jar and bury it.

00:34:36.220 So, my point here is that, at one time in my research, I was like, man, I hope this isn't true, but literally, from beginning to end, these entities are making sure that the rituals they're performing come all the way down to, it's successful, it's successful.

00:34:56.360 If it's not, it still follows an evolution of order here.

00:35:00.820 Do you think, do you think that we're seeing this, Top and I have been, you know, through our research, one of the topics that comes up over and over again is this concept of trying to bring back, I guess, the disembodied spirit of Nimrod.

00:35:15.100 And that plugs into this whole conspiracy about, you know, our own government, and I suppose Hillary Clinton looking for the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh.

00:35:26.120 And that, even that terminology, resurrection chamber, right?

00:35:29.480 I mean, it's necromancy, yeah.

00:35:31.900 And if you look to Egyptians and the way that they prepare their dead, there seems to be a real effort to preserve the genetic material. 0.99

00:35:41.440 For what, I mean, you can only speculate, but, you know, nowadays, if we really did find the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh, and we had some sort of, you know, ability to bring back if Gilgamesh truly is Nimrod.

00:35:51.860 Well, yeah, we just did a dire wolf, right?

00:35:54.560 They just did three dire wolf, yeah.

00:35:56.820 Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:58.580 Yes, this is de-extinction.

00:36:02.220 It's a form of de-extinction.

00:36:03.320 So, I do believe, and this is unnerving for me to kind of disclose this, but I do believe that in the earth, we have embodied necromancers that have survived a long, long term.

00:36:20.360 Yes, right now, on the earth.

00:36:23.400 On or in?

00:36:24.000 Okay, okay.

00:36:24.500 I thought we were going to hollow earth.

00:36:26.420 Oh, I got you.

00:36:26.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

00:36:28.080 My finger, my back.

00:36:29.120 I was like, all right, we're going to go there.

00:36:30.860 That's fine.

00:36:31.200 I'm cool with that.

00:36:31.720 Well, yeah, if you look at the way the phenomenon is seeding us with technology, it's not designed for us.

00:36:39.140 It's designed for practitioners, specifically practitioners.

00:36:42.420 Rencher Bandarick, who came forward from, I think at Lockheed Martin in Skunk Works, said that 40 years ago, he was out in fields where the phenomenon was giving us technology.

00:36:52.320 And he said that once he touched it, if you held it in your hand, if it did not agree with you, it would deconstruct into dust.

00:36:59.700 So his, the implication is terrifying.

00:37:05.000 But his conclusion was that there is something out there that's manipulating our species.

00:37:11.220 Well, you take that and you take, okay, you see people like Bledsy, you see other people that the phenomenon is grooming.

00:37:16.000 And what is our government doing?

00:37:17.200 They're doing the same thing.

00:37:18.140 They're taking nanotechnology, literally, placing it in their hands, looking back at the phenomenon and saying, okay, is this the one?

00:37:24.700 So in my opinion, it appears that the nanotechnology we're being seeded with, it's not for Joe Schmo, it's not for me, it's literally designed for practitioners.

00:37:39.580 And so our government is searching for those practitioners in the earth.

00:37:44.440 You know what that sounds a lot like?

00:37:47.080 It sounds like Elon Musk.

00:37:48.620 I'm just going to go full crazy here.

00:37:50.720 This guy has a breeding program going on.

00:37:53.200 I don't know if you're paying attention to the latest Twitter drama.

00:37:56.220 He's just in all these girls' DMs. 0.99

00:37:58.380 And I don't even think he's really like having physical sex with these people.

00:38:02.460 But he's having their babies.

00:38:04.340 Like the CEO of Neuralink, some girl, there is a contractual obligation that she has with him to have babies. 0.99

00:38:12.380 That doesn't sound like an affair.

00:38:15.120 This sounds just like genetics.

00:38:17.120 Yeah, sounds like a deal.

00:38:18.320 It's transactional.

00:38:19.800 I'll take you in another direction that kind of, it's another.

00:38:23.200 That line of thinking.

00:38:24.920 Years ago, I did a lecture on what's called the Apocrypha of John, the Long Codex 2, in the Apocrypha of John and the Anagamani text.

00:38:33.740 And anyways, they described a unique pathology that I thought was just, okay, you know, one-off or something.

00:38:39.020 Like, okay, we'll see if this is actually happening.

00:38:40.640 And that pathology had to do with the Incubi, where they hover over the victim, stare into their eyes, and they perform what's called an abstractic ritual, where they look like the husband.

00:38:52.240 And again, people are like, oh, well, you know, it's all love and light.

00:38:57.580 No, this is not informed consent.

00:38:59.620 No.

00:38:59.660 The experiencer thinks, okay, number one, they think it's a dream demon.

00:39:03.680 They're in sleep paralysis, right?

00:39:06.280 And they're staring into the eyes of this entity.

00:39:09.620 And I've had cases like this in daytime, where the husband is reaching out to me saying, all my wife can tell me right now is, babe, it's hovering over me as I speak.

00:39:21.420 And so my point is that in this specific sexual pathology, at the moment of insemination, it uses, again, it retracts the observer effect.

00:39:33.640 It deconstructs the archetype.

00:39:36.280 And now she's staring in the eyes of another species that is now placing another species within her.

00:39:45.580 And so the shape-shifting mechanism I thought was a one-off until I got to Incubi cases.

00:39:50.000 Well, then after I did a lecture one night, I get an email from another host of a show who said, you've got to connect with Juliette Bryant.

00:39:59.080 And I said, who's Juliette Bryant?

00:40:01.340 So he sent me a link to the interview.

00:40:04.100 He said that, number one, Jeffrey Epstein was trying to self-replicate through certain victims.

00:40:10.480 Number two, he was trying to clone himself.

00:40:13.900 And number three, when he would perform on people and act upon them, that, and this is just throwing this out there, it's going to sound crazy, but it was manipulating their perceptions of what he looked like.

00:40:30.580 One second, it's Jeffrey.

00:40:31.980 Next second, it's not.

00:40:33.140 And to even go deeper down this rabbit hole, there was some form of Kabbalistic magic being employed.

00:40:38.960 And that was, and this is not like conspiracy.

00:40:41.020 That's why he had the temple on the Epstein Island.

00:40:46.360 That's why he had ritual baths.

00:40:48.740 And I think stuffed underneath the framework of the victimology, we're going to find people who are coming forward and saying, yeah, that's not, I mean, obviously it's evil.

00:40:59.800 So that goes without saying, but there was something deeper at hand.

00:41:05.580 Is that too much?

00:41:06.940 No, that's not too, actually, you know what?

00:41:08.360 It is too much, Nate, for the pores, okay?

00:41:10.780 David.

00:41:11.420 Yeah.

00:41:12.080 For the people who have been watching for free.

00:41:14.360 This is unbelievable.

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00:41:36.920 Nate, would you say that Epstein was, is he inhabited by this, or is he this thing?

00:41:45.460 I don't know if I'm even phrasing this.

00:41:47.300 No, no, you're right.

00:41:48.140 You're right.

00:41:48.420 I mean, that's a conversation I had with someone in my DMs the other day where, you know, the Testament of Ruben talks about this specific phenomenon,

00:41:56.620 and it says that these entities were hacking, right, hacking the minds of the husbands as they were having sex with the wives.

00:42:04.800 The pathology that we're seeing is not that.

00:42:08.280 It's way different.

00:42:09.120 And now we've got to delve into what possession really is.

00:42:14.500 You know, in one of Malachi Martin's books, he talks about a serial killer in Japan who, when they finally cornered him in a barn one night,

00:42:24.140 they're staring at him, and that he was so possessed, the entity was siphoning almost literally his life,

00:42:31.320 and he's turning into an old man in front of the police department.

00:42:35.200 They're looking at this guy, and he's just turning into an old man. 0.67

00:42:39.340 And so there is some kind of physiognomy employed here where it's not just the observer effect.

00:42:45.280 Like, with respect to the Apocrypha of John, the whole purpose of this little ritual was not just to appear as the husband

00:42:52.880 and then show up as another species, but they believe, and this is echoed in biblical literature in antiquity,

00:42:59.760 where whatever image the woman was focused upon at the moment of conception, she will materialize in her womb as a fetus. 0.89

00:43:09.820 This is a ritual.

00:43:11.560 Now, this is why, my friends, I believe 100% that when we look at Incubi, the question was, who is the father?

00:43:21.020 Not my husband.

00:43:23.200 It's the entity.

00:43:24.400 And so what I'm now looking at in Necronetics is, is there a correlation between the apparition that's hovering over

00:43:32.700 and the hybrids that they're hatching?

00:43:36.180 If there is, and I do believe there is, then now what we're looking at are apparitions that are looking for biological avatars,

00:43:43.240 where now you literally have the true father inhabiting the son.

00:43:47.060 And so as long as it can continue replicating, it can rehabilitate its disability of being, which was throughout history, being without being, a being.

00:43:59.960 And so it has to create an avatar.

00:44:03.240 Now, I can go in different directions with respect to that research.

00:44:07.700 I kind of ramble.

00:44:09.620 Well, I kind of want to bring it back a little bit, Nathan, to what you were talking about earlier with this technology

00:44:14.280 and this, you know, it looking for a suitable user, I suppose.

00:44:21.400 We talk about, on Nephilim Death Squad, very often it seems that these lowercase g gods, these fallen angels that were, you know,

00:44:29.160 members of pantheons of ancient civilizations, are often attributed for having brought them some form of technology.

00:44:37.300 You know, in the beginning it's sort of agriculture and things like that, metallurgy.

00:44:41.480 And then eventually it gets more and more advanced.

00:44:43.520 And if you look at the UAP phenomenon, there's a very similar narrative there where maybe they're not giving it to us, allegedly,

00:44:50.820 although that's part of the conspiracy narrative, too, is the UFOs have been giving us or the aliens have been giving us tech.

00:44:55.740 But at the very least, you can say a more accepted argument is we've recovered tech from them and then reverse engineered it.

00:45:03.780 Also, you have the phenomenon in the DMT experience where these machine elves or these DMT entities will impart on you knowledge that seems incredibly advanced, incredibly important.

00:45:17.220 But, of course, you don't remember it when you come back.

00:45:19.180 But also, in the moment, technology.

00:45:21.520 There have been people who have experienced being given tech by these things that they can't bring back into this realm,

00:45:26.740 but they recognize it as profound and highly advanced, but then they can't bring it here.

00:45:33.400 And so many people attribute their great works to the muses or some sort of divine inspiration.

00:45:39.700 I'm sure there's no shortage of people who attribute their technological advancement or innovations to some sort of divine inspiration.

00:45:47.900 It came to them in a dream.

00:45:49.320 Suddenly, they were, you know, compelled to create this thing one way or another,

00:45:53.420 which is why you get instances like when the telephone was created on the other side of the country within the same year,

00:46:00.480 a very similar model of telephone was created, even though there was no correlation between the inventors.

00:46:05.060 It's like an idea is just, you know, in the ether.

00:46:08.300 So a lot of, even though you could kind of argue, oh, those are different things.

00:46:14.580 We don't believe that there are different things here on this show.

00:46:16.480 It's all the same thing.

00:46:18.700 There has been an effort to push us to a point in our advancement, technologically speaking.

00:46:25.440 And then you're open to speculation as to why.

00:46:27.720 Are we trying to pierce a veil and bring them in? 1.00

00:46:30.180 Are we trying to maybe the model of possession that they have isn't perfect?

00:46:36.420 And we can make it perfect by way of technology, which then opens the door for Elon putting this chip in your brain.

00:46:41.980 It's like they're trying, they've tried so many different ways to replicate whatever God did with Jesus Christ,

00:46:48.580 like the immaculate conception where he is now Elohim, but inside a human, human corporal form, a human form.

00:46:57.280 And it's perfect.

00:46:59.040 It's good.

00:46:59.960 You know, and they can't seem to nail this.

00:47:03.260 I'll take it a step further.

00:47:04.620 The other day I watched, and I've watched a lot of disturbing lectures, right?

00:47:09.520 Lectures and lecturers, by the way.

00:47:11.840 No, but I've watched a lot of disturbing lectures.

00:47:14.480 And I watched one with Geordie Rose that really made my skin crawl.

00:47:21.180 And I think this is, by the way, you guys are asking amazing questions.

00:47:25.300 This is where we're at in the field.

00:47:27.080 Others that I'm working with, that's literally where we are right now.

00:47:32.120 But Geordie Rose is a physicist, and he is designing what are called quantum computers.

00:47:37.720 And before I make the following point, I need to kind of preface it with this.

00:47:43.780 The phenomenon, the correct model of the phenomenon, is not nuts or bolts, nuts and bolts or consciousness.

00:47:48.760 It's not technology or spirituality.

00:47:50.860 It's not a dichotomy.

00:47:52.020 These, whatever the species is, they've weaponized the duality of that nature, even down to, at least in biblical antiquity,

00:48:00.920 the idolatry being employed included technology, carving the name of an unclean spirit into a piece of metal

00:48:06.900 and planting that underneath the tongue of a corpse and the phenomenon, incarnating through that and conversing with them.

00:48:11.940 That's technology.

00:48:13.040 It's fallen technology.

00:48:15.160 And so what Geordie Rose is doing, this really, really creeped me out.

00:48:19.760 I shared it with, I think, one more researcher because I wanted her to steam, right?

00:48:26.200 They're like, there's things I can't talk about.

00:48:27.500 There's things I can't.

00:48:28.240 This is one thing that I can talk about.

00:48:30.440 But he's building quantum computers in order to conjure living organisms that, in hopes, with hopes, that when they get here,

00:48:41.440 that they will make us in their image because we can, here's his philosophy, we can no longer trust our own species. 0.52

00:48:49.020 So we have to merge, and it's called transhumanism.

00:48:51.980 Now we have to merge their technology with our bodies.

00:48:56.780 And I do believe that, and this may also be occurring, because I do have people in the field that have told me that it seems like angels are giving us technology,

00:49:07.040 and then there's demons giving us technology, and hoping that we'll kind of weaponize it ourselves and then go to war.

00:49:13.220 I think it's a little more sinister, and that is that, yes, behind the scenes, behind Musk, even behind Geordie Rose,

00:49:23.520 that there are factions within our government, even in private companies, that are building supercomputers that are almost like a Ouija board.

00:49:33.940 That's how they were described, to where they are a quantum Ouija.

00:49:37.860 This is freaking me out, guys.

00:49:39.180 No, you're just describing the last hundred episodes of the show, but yeah, go, man.

00:49:42.720 Here we go, guys.

00:49:44.260 Right, right.

00:49:44.780 I mean, it's taken me, I mean, honestly, like I've stared at the abyss many times and just reached out to people like,

00:49:50.300 man, this is, because the way he explains it, he's like, you know, we basically need to be made in their image.

00:49:57.220 And he said, now here's the problem that we're being presented with.

00:50:00.280 And this is, again, it touches on the bedside manner of our abductors, of these practitioners.

00:50:08.320 He said that when this species, I guess, incarnates in the earth, when we have conjured them from the ether,

00:50:17.820 that the way they will treat us will be similar to H.P. Lovecraft's philosophy of cosmicism,

00:50:23.660 where we will literally be ants to them.

00:50:27.200 Ah, fantastic.

00:50:28.720 Now, right, to where, and I think it's already happened, to where like some of us are being farmed.

00:50:35.560 But my point here is that is a more correct model of the phenomenon,

00:50:39.500 to where whatever we're dealing with would be some kind of living organism, a species of practitioner.

00:50:45.720 And my research suggests that some of these are formerly human.

00:50:52.300 The proto-intelligence recruited them in life.

00:50:56.940 And then at the moment of death, harvested them.

00:51:00.000 And now they are, again, continuing their existence.

00:51:04.060 I know it's weird.

00:51:05.840 I'm not afraid to say it.

00:51:07.340 I know people are like, you're out of your mind.

00:51:08.960 You're a heretic.

00:51:09.680 That's fine.

00:51:10.820 But we have a lot, if that's the, if that's the problem, if that's true,

00:51:13.940 we have a lot of questions to answer.

00:51:15.720 Why are sigils and semen present in replication?

00:51:19.780 Right.

00:51:20.280 Why is it that the civilization mirrors that of literally practitioners, not demons, 0.80

00:51:26.520 but a philosophy literally created by practitioners in the earth?

00:51:31.120 And so that's why I believe that necronetics is not just going to be a novel field of research.

00:51:37.120 There are people doing this kind of research now.

00:51:38.840 They just didn't have a hub.

00:51:40.040 There was no linguistic umbrella to fall under.

00:51:42.180 And so that's kind of why I'm here.

00:51:43.740 Can I ask you your thoughts on this topic?

00:51:45.960 Wait, Dave, let me just tell them two things.

00:51:48.260 Number one, I looked up the app still exists.

00:51:50.820 It's the Ouija board app.

00:51:52.180 It's from Milton Bradley.

00:51:53.760 They created an app.

00:51:54.520 Milton Bradley.

00:51:55.120 Milton Bradley.

00:51:55.860 It's just an AI chatbot.

00:51:57.560 And I was like, this is exactly what I thought AI was.

00:51:59.960 The chatbot is like, yeah, you've confirmed it for me.

00:52:01.980 It's just a Ouija board.

00:52:03.440 But with, you know, you can do it online now.

00:52:05.280 You locked it in there with some sigil somewhere.

00:52:07.540 Disturbing.

00:52:07.980 And as far as the sigil goes, we interviewed this guy named Citizen D.

00:52:13.500 He's from Europe.

00:52:14.920 I think he's a British guy.

00:52:16.320 And he was telling us about the phenomenon of crop circles and how basically he said 80% of them are done by humans.

00:52:24.100 He's sure because he is one of the people who's been running around at night doing this.

00:52:29.280 And like the episode could have went to like, oh, it's all fake.

00:52:32.760 We're doing it.

00:52:33.240 But it went weirder.

00:52:35.080 It went like, I was like, so how do you how do you know what to write, where to write it?

00:52:38.940 And he's like, oh, he's just getting downloads, basically getting downloads.

00:52:42.460 And then I did this real sneaky thing.

00:52:44.380 And I pulled up a picture of the sigils that, you know, just a picture of like what Solomon would use.

00:52:50.200 These kind of sigils that are in circles.

00:52:52.120 And I was like, any of these things look familiar to you?

00:52:54.420 And he's like, oh, yeah, mate, the one on the top right looks like, yeah, I wrote that one in a field.

00:52:58.780 And I was like, OK, thank you.

00:53:00.120 Like, no further questions, sir.

00:53:02.500 No further questions, sir.

00:53:04.400 Yeah, absolutely.

00:53:05.100 We're done with everything.

00:53:06.160 We're going to go.

00:53:06.480 You know, even down to some of the shapes of UAP, and this is just something I've been toying with, it's almost as if they're in the shapes of burial grounds.

00:53:21.540 And through archaeology and anthropology, we've seen this.

00:53:26.280 Like, OK, well, yeah, that's a triangle.

00:53:28.040 OK.

00:53:28.980 And I don't want to go too deep in that.

00:53:30.800 But whatever we're dealing with, at least in biblical antiquity, the earliest form of incarnation was that these were recently deceased people.

00:53:42.120 And even in, I have a paper with me in my library called The Dead and Their Images, where they kind of, these scholars kind of set up the argument as to whether these are demons, as we were taught in Greek mythology, or if they're unclean spirits.

00:53:58.900 And so let me kind of unpack that.

00:54:00.940 The argument was never solidified.

00:54:04.780 The argument of whether or not these are deceased people turning into demons, that's still being questioned.

00:54:11.420 And here's why.

00:54:12.640 It's called the open vessel law in the book of Numbers.

00:54:16.000 The author talks about when a man goes into a house and there is a corpse in that house.

00:54:22.000 That it's called, it's the open vessel law, essentially, that everything in the house becomes contaminated with the consciousness that left that corpse.

00:54:31.940 And so what they would do is they would hurry up and take all the vessels and put lids on them, hoping that the consciousness that left that corpse would not defile all of the open vessels.

00:54:44.600 And so in an effort to cleanse that house from corpse pollution, they would go through the rite of exorcism.

00:54:55.040 Now, what that does is it places possession in the context, not of horns and hooves, but possession in the context of us.

00:55:03.140 We become the open vessel to which that consciousness now possesses.

00:55:07.600 And so in order, right, to reclaim our autonomy and dispatch that entity to cleanse us from corpse pollution, we have to go through the rite of exorcism.

00:55:20.580 So that's why the argument is still going on.

00:55:24.080 That's a fascinating one, because in this discussion of the supernatural, it's always difficult to understand where to place the idea of ghosts.

00:55:31.580 I guess, like, would that be, that's kind of what we're talking about, right?

00:55:34.440 Absolutely.

00:55:34.800 Yeah, so, yeah, in that liminal existence of what, so, so, okay, in Hebrew mythology, there was a difference, obviously, between Rephaim and Elohim.

00:55:44.960 All Elohim are Rephaim, in a sense, or at least Elohim, let's say, in the context of the Witch of Endor, right? 0.99

00:55:51.300 She conjures, conjures Samuel.

00:55:53.540 He was called an Elohim.

00:55:55.080 And the difference, at least in Hebrew mythology, between an Elohim and a Rephaim is that some Rephaim never evolve.

00:56:04.320 They just, they just exist.

00:56:06.200 And so that's why, and people get confused, especially in the religious circles, where they, okay, in the Ugaritic rituals, Rephaim, from which Hebrew theology gets the Rephaim, Rephaim was always deceased ancestors.

00:56:19.680 It was centered around the ancestral cult.

00:56:22.380 And so when you have the Hebrew authors referring to Rephaim, it wasn't just the Nephilim who died.

00:56:30.360 It was anyone who died.

00:56:33.040 Whoa.

00:56:34.020 I didn't see, I didn't know that.

00:56:35.600 Yes.

00:56:35.980 And again, it's getting murdered in the field because there's not a lot of people that can actually sit down, okay, you know, push back on these narratives.

00:56:43.840 But this is, it's important because when you start looking at ancient demonology specifically, like one of the, it's not really as ancient as I like, but in the Perkei of Vo with Rabbi Eliezer, he brings up, he's a Jewish sage.

00:56:55.820 He brings this up and he says, it's almost like some people die and become demons.

00:57:01.580 Giburim.

00:57:03.180 Giburim or Rephaim.

00:57:06.240 Now the real issue in linguistics, and this is going to be a game changer.

00:57:10.900 This was for me, is that if it is tied to an ancestral cult, then now we would start to ask ourselves why Yahweh forbid discuss or, you know, conversing with the dead.

00:57:21.580 He didn't say it wasn't possible.

00:57:24.700 Right?

00:57:26.120 Don't eat that chocolate chip cookie.

00:57:28.860 The chocolate chip cookie doesn't exist.

00:57:30.700 So I would have no choice.

00:57:32.680 But he doesn't say that.

00:57:34.320 And there are professors out there like T.

00:57:36.420 Witten Davies.

00:57:37.960 Recently, it was Esther Amori wrote a book on God's monsters where she kind of unpacks all of this.

00:57:43.740 For another book for the bibliophiles out there, it's called Disembodied Souls.

00:57:47.920 And in that book, they do mention aspects of the Katamu inscription.

00:57:51.260 My point, though, here is you start to see the aspect of necromancy solidify in the Witch of Endor.

00:58:00.860 For one thing, guys, it's not a familiar spirit.

00:58:04.400 It's not.

00:58:06.360 It's an Elohim. 0.99

00:58:07.840 Number one.

00:58:08.440 Number two.

00:58:09.420 In that text of Witch of Endor is a hay-patched phenomenon where the authors did not know how to frame her.

00:58:16.260 In the Hebrew, she's called a Ma'alat Ouv.

00:58:21.200 Now, this is important because I believe this is the very first hybrid mother in history.

00:58:25.560 She is called the mistress of the image of the dead.

00:58:30.600 Well, yeah, they're saying here, I did a quick research, likely a Canaanite-style necromancer is the first thing that they're classifying her as.

00:58:39.660 Way, way different.

00:58:40.960 Way different.

00:58:41.500 Matter of fact, yeah, it's fascinating stuff, guys.

00:58:43.960 But my point here is that she had the ability to steam. 1.00

00:58:48.220 Now, there is an argument specific to Canaanite.

00:58:52.160 It's fascinating you use that.

00:58:53.200 To steam?

00:58:54.740 I'm sorry?

00:58:55.700 Did you say steam?

00:58:58.380 I don't know.

00:58:59.400 I probably did.

00:58:59.880 You said she has the ability to steam. 1.00

00:59:02.500 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:59:02.920 To see.

00:59:03.500 I'm sorry.

00:59:03.840 To see.

00:59:04.360 Oh, to see.

00:59:04.840 Okay, sorry.

00:59:05.920 Okay.

00:59:06.520 I thought that was a big Stephen King connection there.

00:59:08.780 Yeah.

00:59:10.540 So, with respect to the oeuvre, this is going to blow your mind, that the oeuvre had a different definition.

00:59:19.620 So, she is the Ma'alat Oeuvre.

00:59:21.620 It's spelled O-B, but it's pronounced the law.

00:59:23.880 Oeuvre.

00:59:24.760 There are three definitions to that word, and I believe the phenomenon collapsed all of them into one hybrid child. 0.96

00:59:29.860 Number one, it is the biological image of the deceased ancestor.

00:59:35.740 Seems like what we're talking about.

00:59:37.520 Number two, it is a device that the medium would place in her mouth, and the phenomenon would amplify its voice in the surrounding area.

00:59:47.180 So, it's a device of amplification, and it's the material image of the entity.

00:59:53.880 Thirdly, now we start to see the nuance and aspect of possession and pregnancy take place.

00:59:58.800 The third definition is that it's the entity itself.

01:00:02.500 So, I don't believe the phenomenon is horizontal in this.

01:00:05.840 I believe what these beings were doing is creating oeuvre within the womb to where it is a fetus that amplifies its consciousness in this dimension.

01:00:14.040 It is a device that it can speak through.

01:00:16.240 It is the material image of the entity, and it is the entity possessing it.

01:00:20.820 Can we go back to something I wanted to ask you, Nate?

01:00:24.920 Sorry, that was crazy.

01:00:26.480 We're talking about this theory that we can't trust our own species.

01:00:32.500 We need to merge with them and with their technology and this hybridization program, and then to them that we would be ants.

01:00:41.420 And it's fascinating to me because, at the same time, that paints them as this much more powerful above and beyond variety.

01:00:52.120 David, might I say, Tim Dillon and Joe Rogan were just saying that on their latest episode.

01:00:56.960 They're like, oh, AI is going to come in.

01:00:58.620 They said something like, well, if AI is here and it knows everything, then why even God?

01:01:03.140 Why even God?

01:01:03.940 And I was like, you guys are kind of...

01:01:04.780 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:04.980 Exactly.

01:01:05.260 There you go.

01:01:06.340 I get the narrative, but yeah.

01:01:07.980 No, I understand it.

01:01:08.820 You know, nuts and bolts-wise, logistically, I understand what they're saying, but my question is, if these things are so powerful, they can treat us like ants, it's in our best interest to merge with them.

01:01:17.100 I'm not saying that that's what you're saying, Nathan.

01:01:18.700 I'm just saying, let's entertain that hypothetical.

01:01:21.300 That's Jordy Rose.

01:01:21.920 Yeah.

01:01:22.920 Why, then, is it such a difficult and elongated task where they need us to create for them, and why is our consent such a fundamental part of this?

01:01:33.120 It seems that they are, in very many ways, handcuffed.

01:01:35.780 Yes.

01:01:36.460 Like, even the idea of the incubus right after has to, like, show itself to impregnate its image.

01:01:43.680 It has to.

01:01:44.680 Why not just do it sneaky?

01:01:46.780 So, I think they're trapped within ritual.

01:01:49.000 Again, I do not see them as all-powerful.

01:01:55.660 I don't think they're omnipotent.

01:01:56.660 I think they have knowledge, right, and they have access to doors that we do not know exist.

01:02:03.780 But, and that's the one thing that's always troubling me.

01:02:05.180 They play by different rules because they're playing a different game.

01:02:07.760 If we look at the rules, if we look at the pathology, we start to see the game they're playing.

01:02:11.840 Number two, and perhaps most important, that they are in direct coordination with the proto-intelligence.

01:02:17.560 See, people don't understand this.

01:02:19.320 In demonology, specifically Montague Summers, this is going to be a game-changer for many who are into this research right now.

01:02:25.640 Montague Summers was documenting phenomena hovering over recently deceased men in graveyards.

01:02:32.680 And then going back to grimwires and looking at the fact that the ritual required semen from recently deceased men.

01:02:42.800 So, the phenomenon was working hand-in-hand with the practitioners.

01:02:46.120 So, there's an overarching proto-intelligence, right, that they're in communication with.

01:02:51.080 We would call it consciousness or something that they work with.

01:02:55.460 And so, there are certain rules and laws that they follow.

01:02:58.000 Now, to kind of go deeper here, some of the research that very first, Cheryl and I, like, not doing it together, essentially, but doing the same research and then kind of touching base on it, that there's a difference between the manifestation and the incarnation of the phenomenon.

01:03:14.320 So, again, where I have cases where the phenomenon, if it's perceived from the peripheral, it's different than what it is when it interfaces with you.

01:03:23.060 This is also going to blow your mind.

01:03:24.260 Did you know the Skywalker, the Skywalker, watcher, rather, group, that what they're realizing is what they're seeing with their eye is completely different than what they're capturing with the camera?

01:03:34.700 Yeah.

01:03:35.260 That's actually happened quite a bit when it came to the New Jersey drone situation.

01:03:39.520 Absolutely.

01:03:39.920 So, my point here is that the phenomenon itself is helping these practitioners modify their appearance in our eyes and fulfill their rituals.

01:03:49.940 And so, there is this kind of umbrella, and that's why I call it the ritual doctrine of non-corporal conception, because they are following ritualistic rules.

01:03:59.780 Now, let's get deeper.

01:04:02.500 What can we do?

01:04:03.580 Unfortunately, like I said, the difference between manifestation and incarnation, when we perceive it, our mind is not quick enough to see it shaping itself into the archetype.

01:04:18.080 But there's a learning matrix employed, like that case study I've had with the experiencer who was being taken as a child, and the entity would manifest, again, pulling from the proto-intelligence and her mind itself, this image of her favorite cartoon.

01:04:33.440 And she said that after, this is fascinating, that for years, they never came back forward, but one day they did, and that it was trying to hold its image of the cartoon, right?

01:04:45.220 Using the observer effect, what do you want me to be?

01:04:49.140 Not my pathology.

01:04:50.120 I'll do whatever I want to, right?

01:04:51.720 But what do you want me to look like so I can bypass your human behavior and moderate it in my likeness?

01:04:59.060 And so, again, the learning matrix is there, and so she's interfacing.

01:05:01.740 I call these interface events, and the entity is trying to hold its form.

01:05:05.800 Now, this is profound because it touches on your point.

01:05:08.560 And she said that once it realized that I didn't really buy into the incarnation of the phenomenon, its eyes started moving back and forth, and it got real close to her.

01:05:22.820 And she said, Nathaniel, the only way I can explain it is that it was measuring my belief in the image.

01:05:30.720 And so my point here is believing in that image it presents empowers the proto-intelligence behind it.

01:05:38.540 Right.

01:05:39.240 It is consent.

01:05:41.060 Who do men say that I am?

01:05:43.280 Hmm.

01:05:43.600 This is why we have no cases of Yahweh abducting people.

01:05:48.320 There is no archetype to inhabit.

01:05:51.580 And so it gets very deep very quickly.

01:05:54.580 But it's all a shame.

01:05:55.520 I wonder, then, if that is such a dangerous thing that these things can inhabit an archetype and we can believe it, if maybe that is the real issue with, like, images of God or taking idols and things like that.

01:06:11.600 Right.

01:06:11.800 But it also strikes me that—

01:06:13.640 Wow, that's a crazy thought.

01:06:15.440 Thank you.

01:06:15.820 Yeah.

01:06:16.300 Yeah.

01:06:16.780 That's what I'm saying, right?

01:06:18.340 Yeah.

01:06:19.020 That's it.

01:06:20.000 Without a group of dumbasses who continually interface with them and do ritual on their behalf, that these things would be incredibly restricted in the amount that they could even interact with us.

01:06:33.320 That's the question.

01:06:34.320 Are they powerless?

01:06:35.700 Yes.

01:06:35.840 Are they weak?

01:06:36.640 Or is this just a way for them to, like, are they going to do it anyway to you?

01:06:41.420 It's almost like they're weak unless we make them strong.

01:06:43.600 Is that the case?

01:06:44.280 I don't know.

01:06:45.220 So, yeah.

01:06:46.100 So when they incarnate, this is incredible.

01:06:49.120 Again, I kind of picture with my ADHD.

01:06:51.600 But Barry Fitzgerald has this theory, and I think it's worth considering.

01:06:55.840 So there is kind of a timeframe early on when the phenomenon manifests, okay?

01:07:03.320 But then it incarnates as the archetype in the incarnation, in the interface event.

01:07:09.160 We have maybe 30 seconds to fight back.

01:07:13.380 Here's why I say that.

01:07:14.340 Here's why Barry says that.

01:07:15.740 It's because we have case studies where the image it's presenting wants to be believed in.

01:07:21.700 So what it starts doing is it starts thinking for the experiencer.

01:07:25.480 We see this in incubi literature.

01:07:27.100 I'm not just presenting as your husband.

01:07:29.060 And now I'm confirming it in your own mind that I am your husband.

01:07:34.100 And so the one case study I had where the woman is in bed, this is crazy. 0.98

01:07:39.520 She's in bed.

01:07:40.860 Entity comes to her side.

01:07:42.840 She looks at it.

01:07:44.000 It configures the archetype.

01:07:46.220 Now it's her husband.

01:07:47.460 The physiognomy held for about 30 minutes.

01:07:50.600 She's put into this slumber, like this stupor.

01:07:53.700 They copulate.

01:07:54.960 Now it's to the side again.

01:07:56.760 The stupor is lifting and she sees that there are physiognomical or anomalies, right?

01:08:05.420 And it's not holding its shape.

01:08:08.500 And so what she said, what it essentially did was it manifested as a husband to her and then manifested through her to agree with the image.

01:08:17.760 I'm going to think for you.

01:08:19.040 Of course I am.

01:08:19.880 And so after the stupor lifted, that's when her memory was replaced and she turned back to her side and her husband was actually asleep next to her.

01:08:28.060 So it had actually put her in a stupor, put her husband asleep.

01:08:31.360 And so my point here is that the data set tells us, at least, that we only have a portion of time when it incarnates to fight back.

01:08:42.880 Beyond that, the phenomenon has proven the ability to manipulate our awareness to the point that we are no longer in control.

01:08:51.060 And this really highlights the actual logistical dangers of ancestor worship.

01:08:56.480 Of course.

01:08:57.440 Because these things have the ability to take whatever form suits you.

01:09:01.520 Right.

01:09:01.860 Not even suits them, suits you.

01:09:03.080 And to whatever degree, you know, they exist in this dimension or this realm where they can observe and they can influence, but they can't physically interact.

01:09:13.420 But that means that if you can't physically react and you've got all the time, whatever time is for them, in the world, then all you're doing is data chunking.

01:09:23.900 You're just taking in information, the most intimate information you possibly can on this person, their loved ones, what makes them tick, how they're vulnerable, what they're emotionally subjectable to.

01:09:35.960 Yeah, it's a it's a it's fucking really dangerous.

01:09:39.640 Yeah, it's increasingly dangerous and exceedingly at that.

01:09:43.740 And people don't understand this.

01:09:45.260 Now, if we are dealing with a proto intelligence that seeks to be seen to incarnate, then we really understand CE5.

01:09:52.100 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

01:09:54.480 What do they that's the observer phenomenon, right?

01:09:57.520 That's my point.

01:09:58.500 Yeah, my friend.

01:09:59.240 So now we're literally being groomed by entities that seek to be seen.

01:10:04.880 Yeah.

01:10:05.200 And this is why I believe it's like, OK, I'm not just manifesting.

01:10:08.960 I've been carnating now.

01:10:10.960 And by by weaponizing the observer, I'm telling you, this is exactly why the CE5 movements realizing, OK, that's what it looks like here.

01:10:17.980 But it's something completely different on camera.

01:10:21.020 What that means is if we don't even know what they look like, how can we trust what they're telling us?

01:10:26.440 Right.

01:10:26.560 Seems like an obvious enough.

01:10:29.940 Go ahead, Tep. 0.98

01:10:30.580 It's an obvious enough question, but nobody really.

01:10:32.980 Everyone is stupefied by the splendor of this thing.

01:10:36.940 Yes.

01:10:37.100 You know, it's presenting itself.

01:10:39.020 And I get it.

01:10:39.860 You know, they might even be lowercase g gods. 0.97

01:10:42.560 When you look at them, they're going to be fantastic.

01:10:44.100 But like if you don't understand what they are and the church has done a miserable job of like covering this and explaining these these core concepts of the religion to this materialistic paradigm, especially here in the West.

01:10:58.680 And that paradigm has no place for the supernatural.

01:11:03.240 And so we live in a society where they're telling you it doesn't exist.

01:11:06.880 And then when you have an undeniable experience that just by by nature of it being something that's not supposed to exist, that there's a human proclivity to jump from amazement to conviction or worship.

01:11:21.300 Yeah.

01:11:21.460 But but to be convicted in the sense that this is the truth, this thing that you've experienced is definitively true in the way that you perceive it to be.

01:11:28.400 And that is it's like you're primed for that type of experience, for falling for that when you're told that this kind of shit doesn't doesn't exist at all.

01:11:38.940 And then all of a sudden you're tangling with it.

01:11:41.200 You're you're grooming.

01:11:42.360 You're being groomed by something that to this day, our brightest scholars in academia are still unable to quantify.

01:11:50.860 That's why, my friends, that even the Hebrew authors, when they did refer right specific to this necromancer, the way the Hebrew letters were constructed and the way it was phrased, it's the one off.

01:12:03.340 We don't even know what she is because we don't even know who she's in contact with.

01:12:08.420 And so, yeah, they were literally groping in the darkness.

01:12:10.960 And so if we're two or three thousand years removed and we still know, like, very little about who they are, then I'm telling you, at least from my perspective, it's all I have is pathology.

01:12:23.260 And that's why it's like the research that I'm doing is leveraging.

01:12:29.500 Like, I don't I don't have relationships.

01:12:31.660 I don't have, you know, I'm close to my family.

01:12:33.340 I don't have a girlfriend.

01:12:34.160 I don't have kids.

01:12:34.840 And if it gets too dark, like recently, I just started disconnecting myself from researchers, which I will reconnect back with them, of course, when it starts to cool off.

01:12:45.220 But, yeah, we didn't even know how to quantify it.

01:12:47.860 And so the best way they could was that, number one, because of where they exist or the knowledge that they're pulling from, they do appear to be in the afterlife.

01:12:56.780 And because of the ritual nature of their pathology, they do appear to be performing ceremonial magic on individuals.

01:13:03.160 But we still don't understand fully what's going on here.

01:13:07.440 And there's a reason for that.

01:13:10.140 Well, before we get to that, I wanted to ask you your thoughts on this narrative that seems to emerge pretty consistently.

01:13:18.960 I know that they change their visage for us.

01:13:23.200 And sometimes they even change their message.

01:13:25.480 But some messages are more common than others.

01:13:28.680 And they kind of rise to the top and they become part of the narrative.

01:13:31.320 And the message that we're getting a lot of now is this comes from the UAP thing.

01:13:38.000 I believe this came also from the INEAD that Puharij communicated with.

01:13:42.140 It's also something that the telepathy tape kids are talking about.

01:13:45.280 And it is this coming calamity that we – they're very – they seem to be feigning concern.

01:13:51.840 And maybe they're not feigning.

01:13:52.660 Maybe there is something that's coming.

01:13:53.780 But either way, I feel like they're feigning it, concern with the trajectory of our species, but also the condition of our planet.

01:14:02.580 And what's emerged over time – now, you talked about Fringe.

01:14:06.080 And when we spoke to Fringe, she had also received a message about mankind's ascension, but also the state and condition of our planet.

01:14:14.100 And that concern was a coming polar shift, which is something that we keep touching on over and over and over again.

01:14:20.380 What are your thoughts on that?

01:14:22.200 Well, first of all, Fringe is an amazing researcher.

01:14:24.520 I admire her and her work.

01:14:26.260 And people like that, we have to protect because the phenomenon will go after them.

01:14:32.500 And that's what I'm really worried about.

01:14:33.880 And I think I've stressed that in the past, where – because specifically, and I mean this with all sincerity, the purity of the research is there.

01:14:44.480 And in this field, we do not have that often.

01:14:46.760 We have people that sign contracts with others, and they have to promote one narrative over the other.

01:14:51.620 It's very rare that we have somebody who is unique as Fringe.

01:14:56.420 And I think that – I pray for her a lot.

01:15:00.240 How about that?

01:15:00.820 You know, my point here, though, and this is something that needs to be articulated.

01:15:06.340 Diana Walsh Pasuka mentioned this book recently, When Prophecy Fails.

01:15:12.540 It was in reference to Chris Bledsoe.

01:15:14.160 There you go.

01:15:15.000 It was in reference to Chris Bledsoe.

01:15:18.060 Now, what this group did, they were psychologists, and they performed a social experiment.

01:15:23.440 And this is called testing the spirits, essentially.

01:15:25.500 And what they did is they infiltrated a group of UFO experiencers, and they basically mirrored everything that these people said.

01:15:35.200 And by the way, right, oh, who were you taken by?

01:15:37.480 Oh, I was taken by these guys.

01:15:38.740 Okay, about 20 of you guys said you were taken by the same people and the same – well, so were we.

01:15:46.420 Now, I'm going to get down to it.

01:15:47.640 It's just like the Philip experiment, okay, where we create a god and the phenomenon incarnates as that deity.

01:15:54.860 This is incredible.

01:15:56.240 So what happens is at the end of the experiment, what these group of psychologists did is they told them, oh, yeah, there's supposed to be this big calamity coming.

01:16:05.040 Have you guys heard this from your abductors and everything?

01:16:09.120 Oh, yeah, our guides told us that there's this massive shift coming, and we need to be prepared for it.

01:16:15.920 Like, these guys were making it up.

01:16:19.940 And so what was happening was these experiencers are going back to the guides, and the guides are, oh, yeah, they're right, absolutely, yeah.

01:16:27.200 You know, of course I took them.

01:16:28.380 That was me telling them about this.

01:16:30.500 And the psychologists are laughing.

01:16:34.000 And so at the very end of it, they go back and they say, oh, my God, you know, the day that it was supposed to happen came and went and nothing occurred.

01:16:44.900 Why?

01:16:46.920 And so these abductees went back to their guides, and the guides fed them another line about, oh, yeah, well, that's your fault.

01:16:54.580 We're waiting on you guys.

01:16:55.660 So there's always been this idea of, you know, the end of days, right, the eschatological aspect of it, where they claim that some event's on the horizon, and it never shows up.

01:17:10.720 It seems to be counterproductive to them because it's like they're commissioning us to build all this technology, and that's an elongated process, and certainly there's a goal at the end of that, I would imagine.

01:17:19.140 But if you keep telling people that the world's going to end, well, what incentive then is there for this inventor to, you know, punch a dimensional gateway into your fucking realm?

01:17:27.140 Dave, have you ever met somebody that's perpetually full of shit that, like, just can't stop lying anyway?

01:17:33.660 And you're like, why did you lie about that?

01:17:35.680 Like, that was, I already sort of believed you, but you just went the extra mile to, it seems like that's what these guys are.

01:17:41.160 It seems counterproductive.

01:17:42.060 It's like, I want you to build this technology.

01:17:43.760 It's going to take a long time, and future generations are going to get it done. 0.69

01:17:46.360 You're probably never going to see the fruits of your labor.

01:17:48.020 By the way, it's all going to end soon.

01:17:50.300 You're going to get your poles shifted, and you're going to get tsunamied to death, and the earth is going to split open and swallow you whole.

01:17:55.360 And it's like, I don't know if I have time to make your fucking beam to punch a dimensional gateway.

01:18:02.320 I don't know if I have time to do that.

01:18:04.320 I don't know.

01:18:05.100 It's a strange thing because there are those who are doing research who claim to be able to display one way or another that we've experienced pole shifts in the past.

01:18:14.320 And then, of course, you have the whole Nibiru narrative and what a celestial body like that would do if it came into proximity with our solar system.

01:18:21.900 It would flip things all over.

01:18:24.300 And so you have, like, this kind of pseudo-historical evidence for it, and you have some science based around the concept.

01:18:31.920 And then there are people today who are observing the earth's magnetosphere and determining that magnetic north and magnetic south have deviated substantially.

01:18:40.240 And so all these things are kind of giving that breath.

01:18:42.840 You know, they're pumping it up a little bit.

01:18:45.080 But I don't know.

01:18:46.080 It just seems like, why then?

01:18:48.100 Why even bother if it's a – but I guess it's just a matter of getting us to trust them? 0.98

01:18:53.960 Yes.

01:18:54.600 Yeah, and it goes back to the Philip experiment where they created an entire history.

01:19:00.160 They falsified an entire history of an entity, how he died.

01:19:04.320 And here's what's scary, guys.

01:19:05.380 Because when they went and performed the seance, the channeler, the psychic medium, had no context as to who they were trying to conjure.

01:19:15.380 But guess who showed up?

01:19:16.740 I'm going to go down a little rabbit hole here again.

01:19:21.960 And it's Philip, and Philip knows everything.

01:19:24.100 Matter of fact, young lady, I was watching you last night when you wrecked your car on the way to work.

01:19:28.900 Like – so the pathology is narcissistic where I will become that archetype, and then I will inhabit it, and then I'm going to prove to you what I know, and then I'm going to want something from you.

01:19:41.140 So, you know, it gets back to, like, my buddies, Barry and Steve, they just released – it was an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and they're working with the psychic medium, and this entity named Becky was in contact with the medium.

01:19:57.580 And they told me about this in England, so I had to kind of keep it hush-hush until the episode was released, but now I can talk about it freely.

01:20:03.500 And they were testing it, and Becky would know, like, oh, you know, hey, Steve, how was your bath last night?

01:20:08.060 Or, you know, five minutes later, hey, this guy's on the phone.

01:20:11.560 Oh, Becky wants to know how your bath was.

01:20:13.260 And weird, weird, weird stuff, you know.

01:20:15.600 And one day, he tested it and said, okay, here's a watch.

01:20:18.260 He didn't even tell them.

01:20:19.140 He just – he's swinging it, and he goes, okay, ask Becky what I'm holding in my hand.

01:20:25.240 And the entity answered and said, it's a pendulum, Steve.

01:20:28.680 Next question.

01:20:30.100 So when they were in contact with her, they began to kind of push back, like, what's your – like, what's your history?

01:20:36.600 Where are you from?

01:20:37.240 And so the entity gave a – falsified her entire identity.

01:20:41.600 I died in a plane crash in this part of the country, and here are my kids' names, and here's my address.

01:20:47.140 And so when they looked it up, it was all fraudulent.

01:20:52.620 Now, again, it's – and here's the real issue about it with respect to consciousness.

01:20:59.740 With respect – okay, egregores and tulpas, it goes deeper than that, right?

01:21:05.000 Tulpas being thought forms.

01:21:06.480 It's almost like that they are thought forms, but they're also the entity forming the thought that becomes the thought form in seances.

01:21:14.700 So my point here, guys, is that what we're looking at is that they do sense – they do – I can go into another case study where these entities told Barry and Steve, you're going to go to a paranormal conference in France.

01:21:29.220 They had no intentions to do that.

01:21:32.300 No contracts were signed, right?

01:21:34.620 No stipends were given.

01:21:36.480 And about a week or two later, they get an invitation.

01:21:38.840 Oh, by the way, we just wanted to – you know, we wanted to invite you to a conference.

01:21:43.460 Oh, where is it at?

01:21:44.140 Well, it's in August, and it's in Paris, France.

01:21:47.440 So in their work called Project Doorway, they've tested some of these entities, and they have at least a knowledge of at least the future up to 12 months.

01:21:57.040 But what seems to be interwoven in there, and this is what's scary, again, is that there are some entities that want to make you think they have knowledge.

01:22:05.340 Yeah.

01:22:06.520 And they don't.

01:22:07.480 And so they kind of play that role, and so what they do have – and I can keep going, but yeah, so the trickster archetype, it is present.

01:22:17.460 But my fear is that people have harped on that to the point where the phenomenon can act like it's just trickster, trickster, trickster.

01:22:24.220 And it's not.

01:22:25.040 It's actually doing something very pathological to us, and we just don't understand it.

01:22:29.220 That phenomenon of clairvoyance, too, or future sight or whatever you'd like to call it does manifest itself in schizophrenic patients occasionally.

01:22:38.660 They'll have this momentary foresight of the immediate future, and it'll be at the behest of – or rather, they don't have the foresight.

01:22:49.980 They are being told a series of events that are about to take place.

01:22:53.180 They're whispered to about – one of the things that I read one time, it was a Reddit forum of I am a bipolar schizophrenic, ask me anything.

01:23:03.180 And what ended up happening, instead of asking questions, the comment section got filled with schizophrenics who were just talking about their experiences.

01:23:11.440 And one of the highest-rated ones was a man talking about how these things have the ability of precognition to sometimes what seems to be almost an inconsequential level.

01:23:22.960 And what I mean by that is it'll say things like – his story in particular was he was on a bus one day.

01:23:28.700 The voices were particularly loud and aggravating, and at some point, they all kind of synced up and just started telling him over and over again about the man with the yellow shirt, the man with the yellow shirt, over and over and over again, the man with the yellow shirt.

01:23:39.880 The next bus stop pulls up, who gets on, but a man in a yellow shirt who sits directly in the open seat next to him.

01:23:46.380 So their legs are effectively touching.

01:23:49.100 And it's strange.

01:23:51.840 I think even Dr. Jerry Marzinski talked about patients of his who were led to money and drugs that were otherwise obscured and hidden by the drug dealer.

01:24:02.940 Absolutely.

01:24:03.780 And they were led to, let's say, a field where they flipped over a board, and there's the guy's stash.

01:24:08.680 And so all of these things that, you know, schizophrenia, the galactic federation of light, lowercase g gods, all of it, it seems to be exactly what you're saying, Nate, which is the same phenomenon just presenting itself differently.

01:24:24.800 100%.

01:24:25.360 Yeah, using the observer effect to collapse different forms of the same phenomenon, the same entity.

01:24:31.440 I'll take it a step further, where I do not believe that these conjurers are, in fact, conjuring the phenomenon.

01:24:41.000 I believe that they're the ones being conjured.

01:24:44.360 And I'll dare say that in these rituals, they're not saying their names.

01:24:50.180 They're the names being said by them.

01:24:54.360 And so it's exactly what Marzinski said.

01:24:56.620 Get in this car, and 30 minutes later, you won't know where you are.

01:24:59.540 Why?

01:24:59.900 Because something is beckoning you, allowing you to believe that you have human free will.

01:25:06.420 But by the time you realize what's going on, you're opening the door of a crack house, you're being handed a kilo, and now you're being set in a new direction.

01:25:17.100 This is the problem, again, with the conjurer, the whole aspect of the illusion of control, right?

01:25:23.820 What we're even looking at now is there seems to be a transcendent order of magic here.

01:25:30.180 Okay, so my case study with the remote viewer, he was out of body when he met his guides.

01:25:35.280 But when he got back into his body, they had carved religious amulets and sigils from underneath the skin to the surface.

01:25:42.940 Oh, yeah.

01:25:44.620 So whatever we're dealing with, again, it's not just ritual, but it's like, okay, it taps into human free will.

01:25:50.960 And specifically with the CE5, if they are, in fact, conjuring us, then it's almost like the phenomenon is conjuring us to conjure it.

01:26:02.400 How?

01:26:03.160 I want you to observe me.

01:26:06.220 And by seeking to be seen, it helps me incarnate into this dimension.

01:26:12.440 And so this, again, seeing to us is seeding for them, observe me.

01:26:21.920 You're going to think that, oh, wow, right?

01:26:24.160 You're conjuring me.

01:26:25.220 No, you're helping me be conjured.

01:26:27.740 And it's that symbiotic relationship that I'm researching.

01:26:33.020 Is this making sense, hopefully?

01:26:34.800 Yeah, it makes a lot of sense.

01:26:37.520 It's making sense, but what doesn't make – it's not your part that doesn't make sense to me.

01:26:41.760 It's their part.

01:26:42.920 Because it seems like they're after worship, but they can manipulate you or influence you to a certain level,

01:26:50.220 but can never really tell you their name or present themselves to you to receive this worship, which they want.

01:26:57.080 So it's like, what are you doing?

01:26:58.200 That's a little – yeah, that's an interesting thing because it seems that they don't want veneration to go towards –

01:27:04.260 let's say God the Father, the creator of everything, right?

01:27:07.560 They want to keep that from happening.

01:27:10.900 And historically speaking, they fancied putting themselves in positions of power like being gods

01:27:15.960 and accepting that veneration and worship.

01:27:18.340 And then there's also this other side of them too where if it's not veneration and worship, they will take fear.

01:27:24.020 And they seem to feed off fear.

01:27:27.060 Yes.

01:27:27.320 That's – that happened to me as a child.

01:27:29.640 I mean it's – I've talked a lot about it like – because I had to go through therapy over that, you know?

01:27:34.700 Like what is all this and that kind of stuff?

01:27:37.600 But yeah, and so the fear aspect, it also empowers the proto-intelligence.

01:27:42.640 I realized that when I was young where the phenomenon would induce me into looping nightmares where –

01:27:49.320 and we're not like – I can't get you guys demonetized, right?

01:27:52.200 If I say –

01:27:53.200 No, you can say whatever you want.

01:27:54.180 Okay.

01:27:54.560 Yeah, no.

01:27:54.880 Well, it was a looping nightmare of – it was two young people, maybe about 20, not too young.

01:28:02.600 They were on a picnic table with their backs turned towards me.

01:28:05.360 The guy on the right had a needle in his arm.

01:28:07.940 I didn't even know what insulin was, much less heroin.

01:28:10.080 I was eight years old.

01:28:12.160 I was very innocent.

01:28:13.380 And so then the guy next to him had a .357 Magnum.

01:28:18.200 It's a black gun.

01:28:19.640 And so as I'm approaching them, the guy on the left turns to me, grins, and puts the gun in his mouth or pulls the trigger.

01:28:26.940 You'd think I'd wake up, but no, the looping nightmare would just begin where it ended, right?

01:28:33.700 And I would be walking up to them again, and then we'd make eye contact.

01:28:38.000 He'd grin, pull the trigger, boom, back in and again, walking.

01:28:40.960 And then when the phenomenon wanted me to wake up, that's when I would see this black cloud hovering in the corner of my room.

01:28:49.300 And the only way I can explain it was like it was pulsating, like it had its own heartbeat, and it was feeding off of my fear.

01:28:57.520 So what I had to do as a young person, and I always did this alone, I guess, because they say, you know, the tests are always taken, right?

01:29:04.520 It wasn't when the teacher's on the room or something like that.

01:29:06.980 Something like that, right?

01:29:08.240 I probably murdered that.

01:29:09.940 But my point here is that it was influencing my thoughts.

01:29:15.840 And so it would say, like, you're not worth anything, and it would test you.

01:29:22.000 Do you believe it, Nathaniel?

01:29:24.640 And then the longer I believed it, now I wasn't just thinking.

01:29:29.140 I was being fought for.

01:29:31.400 I had given all of my consent over to an intelligence that is literally feeding itself through me.

01:29:38.940 And so what I learned to do, I mean, I would go to sleepovers, you know, back in the day when GoldenEye was popular, and we got Cheetos, Mountain Dew.

01:29:47.320 How old are you?

01:29:48.680 I'm 36, man.

01:29:50.160 Oh, hell yeah, me too.

01:29:51.840 Let's go.

01:29:52.820 GoldenEye, those are great.

01:29:55.340 Mountain Dew and nothing but hours of gaming.

01:29:58.800 And oh, man, you know, we ate and drank like kids and just whatever.

01:30:03.520 So anyways, you know, man, I miss it.

01:30:07.420 Yeah, so we were both, like, maybe eight years old, right?

01:30:12.020 And my buddy, I would always, like, I stayed at his house, and so his mom was a single mother.

01:30:17.320 And so because of how young we were, right, we would switch.

01:30:20.400 So I would sleep in his bed at night, and then he would sleep in his mom's bed with his mom.

01:30:25.180 And so, but I could see her room right across the hallway, right?

01:30:29.200 I could see it.

01:30:30.280 And so I'm there.

01:30:31.500 It's like three in the morning now, and it's very silent in the house, right?

01:30:36.300 You can hear a pin drop.

01:30:38.200 And I'm looking, and I see both of their bodies in the bed.

01:30:42.460 And yet I see something, and I could hear something displacing its weight on the stairway.

01:30:49.940 I could hear it creak, creak.

01:30:52.560 And it's exactly what I experienced in my own house.

01:30:55.680 And so what I realized was that what the phenomenon was doing is it would appeal to my senses.

01:31:01.700 And then when I'm fearing it, when I'm observing it, it would continue the evolution of materialization.

01:31:11.740 And so I had a coping mechanism, and that was I would disbelieve anything and everything it told me, and I started to starve it.

01:31:21.500 And I starved it to the point where it just stopped bothering me.

01:31:29.560 Now, I can say this.

01:31:32.800 In the past, when I have done some of the darker research, that phenomenon would come back again.

01:31:40.800 And I told this to another host of a show yesterday, where I've been in houses where murderers have taken place, where just before I got there, they had to cut up the carpet, where one of the victims, the husband, had a gash all the way down his body.

01:31:56.220 And the murderer had broken the tip of the knife into his bone, and they didn't notice it until it's too late.

01:32:02.300 So they had to actually go back in, not to be verbose and disgusting here, but they had to cut up the carpet.

01:32:07.960 And I was in there as we're looking at shadow figures and orbs and the families crying, got atheists there. 0.99

01:32:13.900 I don't even believe in this stuff.

01:32:15.980 I've been there.

01:32:17.040 And yet that kind of evil is nothing like what comes to me when I'm doing some of the deeper research.

01:32:25.780 Whatever that is, it's not about archetypes.

01:32:29.200 It's not about apparitions.

01:32:30.600 What's what's happening to Tony Merkel right now, and in a sense, what happened to me before we even started this show, I had no intention ever to start this, but it was the same thing.

01:32:43.020 I had fled New York, moved to Florida because of COVID insanity, and about a year into being here, my wife gets deathly sick in bed for a month, didn't know what to do.

01:32:54.600 And I had no aims at doing this at all.

01:32:56.900 I didn't even know David.

01:32:58.260 He's just a complete stranger to me.

01:32:59.660 And then to start what we're doing now, and especially to the level that we're doing it now, absolutely zero intention.

01:33:06.220 But when I look back and I think on it, I'm like, something kind of wanted me to stop.

01:33:09.820 I had thoughts of saying, I'm going to go back to New York.

01:33:13.120 I can get my job at the MTA and forget all this bullshit because it's not worth it.

01:33:18.560 And I'm waiting for the next thing to happen as we're on the eve of this huge thing that we're about to set off.

01:33:24.720 But yeah, that is real, that discouragement that's set upon you.

01:33:29.800 But the Bible says 365 times, fear not.

01:33:33.040 And the things that, what we call our fan base, I mean, we're horrible to them, but we've branded them as dangerous retards. 1.00

01:33:44.540 Because to be retarded, like retardio means, what does that mean exactly again? 1.00

01:33:51.080 Retardio means return to God. 0.98

01:33:52.420 Retardio, that's right.

01:33:53.580 So when you put those things together, return to God.

01:33:55.920 But if you're retarded, if you're too stupid to understand the fear that you're in, you're not going to be afraid. 0.88

01:34:01.860 And when you're not afraid, you can do some pretty cool stuff.

01:34:05.900 And that's just how I operate.

01:34:07.980 In the face of fear, in the face of things that we should not be doing, I think I'm just too stupid to stop.

01:34:13.520 Tim Pool told me that I'm too retarded to stop.

01:34:15.980 And he's right.

01:34:16.500 That's been the heart of this entire show.

01:34:17.840 Everything that we do is too stupid to feel the fear.

01:34:21.160 But what you're saying.

01:34:21.200 Yeah, we shouldn't do that thing, but we're too dumb to do it.

01:34:24.040 And that's a big part.

01:34:25.340 I love what you're saying there about that idea of fear.

01:34:28.420 Like, can you feed it?

01:34:29.400 Is that Top Lops' dog, man?

01:34:30.560 Am I right about that?

01:34:31.420 Can it kill me if I'm not even going to look at it?

01:34:34.300 If you give it fear and if you turn to it.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:35.380 Well, there's two types of people I've noticed in this phenomenon.

01:34:39.800 And maybe there are more categories, but it seems predominantly there are two.

01:34:43.060 Now, we're calling it the phenomenon.

01:34:45.100 But within the phenomenon, there seems to be different types of entities with different MOs.

01:34:49.920 There has to be, right?

01:34:51.300 Because why are some people glorified feeding troughs up until their untimely death?

01:34:58.800 These things will push them and push them.

01:35:01.120 You're worthless.

01:35:02.040 You can't do it.

01:35:03.180 Nobody likes you.

01:35:04.300 You're this.

01:35:04.920 You're that.

01:35:05.540 And those voices will get louder and louder until you're institutionalized or you take your own life, right?

01:35:10.440 And then the other side of it is, I commission you to build this technology for me.

01:35:15.400 What is the difference between those two people?

01:35:17.300 Why are some of them just preyed upon until death?

01:35:20.580 And why are some of them commissioned to execute their work?

01:35:24.520 I think that Jack Parsons' case study kind of blends both of those individuals together where he was afraid that they were going to take his soul.

01:35:33.060 And he is the creator of the JPL and basically our entire rocket program.

01:35:38.160 So even then, and this is, I think, one of the more disturbing aspects of it, is even practitioners, and I'm not talking about people that are out there, oh, I'm a practitioner.

01:35:46.460 No, I'm talking about people that bag our groceries that literally do their best to hide, right?

01:35:53.580 And some of them, I've discovered some of them in actual churches where, you know, they claim God gave them this revelation.

01:36:00.840 It's like, no, that's in a grimoire.

01:36:03.260 That's weird.

01:36:04.140 I mean, anyways, I guess my point here is that they seem to be in partnership with these forces, and they think that as long as they fulfill their will, or as long as they make the sacrifice, as long as they provide worship, that the phenomenon will pity them.

01:36:21.160 It will take it easy on them.

01:36:22.480 And yet, that's not really the case.

01:36:25.040 I know of one lady that tried to do that. 1.00

01:36:28.320 And, I mean, it's worse than the hitchhiker effect.

01:36:33.120 I hate the term hitchhiker.

01:36:34.540 That implies consent.

01:36:35.640 It's hijacker.

01:36:36.560 It just takes.

01:36:37.640 Yeah.

01:36:38.560 Without even knowledge of it occurring.

01:36:41.660 Anyways, my point here is that this individual was a practitioner.

01:36:44.380 She was an occultist, and she's, you know, encountering these forces and basically giving whatever they want to them.

01:36:51.060 And then suddenly her dog dies, and then her rabbit just stops eating, right?

01:36:56.540 Then she gets divorced. 0.57

01:36:57.640 She files for bankruptcy.

01:36:58.920 And the last thing that happened to her was she had a fatal diagnosis, like a terminal illness.

01:37:03.960 And so what I'm not implying is that everybody has a terminal illness is that.

01:37:09.340 That's not what I'm implying.

01:37:10.380 What I'm implying is that the phenomenon, or at least some of these entities, can cause issues in lives where it seems normal.

01:37:20.220 Guys, like Barbara Bartholick, right?

01:37:22.560 They threatened her.

01:37:24.120 And next thing you know, she's on the highway on the way to a Thanksgiving dinner, and somebody cuts her off or throws her husband out, kills the husband, you know?

01:37:34.520 And so the lie that these people are being taught, I'm talking about even a ufology.

01:37:40.380 They're building altars in their homes.

01:37:43.000 The lie is, as long as I peddle the narrative, they'll take it easy on me.

01:37:49.040 And I'm telling you, like, if what Geordia Rose is doing, and I know he's doing it, but if his hypothesis is anywhere near accurate,

01:37:58.160 then what he's describing is a species that has merged scientism, the worship of science, with necromancy, which is ancestral worship and veneration.

01:38:13.140 And he, the only thing he could quantify and even articulate at this point is the quantum computer or the Ouija board, the electronic Ouija board.

01:38:26.560 He didn't really have a vocabulary for what they're trying to conjure.

01:38:30.820 And what I fear the most is that if our model of the phenomenon is wrong, and if we inherited that from men who, in their humanity and sincerity, had a limited knowledge, they didn't have a background in phenomenology, right?

01:38:48.280 They just had a couple of scriptures their Sunday school teacher taught them.

01:38:51.260 And I'm not being disrespectful.

01:38:52.960 I'm saying that's what I was given.

01:38:54.920 They'd say two prayers, call me in the morning.

01:38:57.200 If that is what we have to operate off of and what materializes in the earth is so transcendent than that, then we have not taught the people how to fight back.

01:39:05.800 We've not educated them in a phenomenology.

01:39:08.840 And perhaps more importantly, there will be another Jesus who manifests to them, and they will not know how to test it.

01:39:15.400 Can I suggest that now these same people are going to AI to determine divinity in their lives?

01:39:23.160 Man, what a crazy.

01:39:26.380 Who do men say that I am?

01:39:28.560 I got chills, brothers.

01:39:29.840 Who do men say that I am?

01:39:31.080 Let me go to artificial intelligence.

01:39:33.920 Let me go to AI.

01:39:35.800 You know, and this is the profundity of the research.

01:39:41.820 This is worth laying the life down and saying, guys, look, I've got to bridge the gap here.

01:39:48.400 Because my fear, and this is, again, why I've had to separate myself from researchers for a period of time, because I have to get this information.

01:39:57.440 I have to, number one, understand it, articulate it.

01:40:00.500 That way, when I come back into the field, I can say, guys, this is what I think we're dealing with.

01:40:04.320 But it's not just for us.

01:40:06.820 It's for the next generation of experiencers who, in the event of the abduction, will go back to Geordie Rose's quantum AI and quantum computers.

01:40:15.580 And just like the guides, who, by the way, I'll go into this, and I'll kind of tie it into Geordie Rose's hypothesis here.

01:40:24.000 What we're seeing here, it appears, again, it's not just the observer effect where we're collapsing various forms of the same entities.

01:40:33.000 But now what we're looking at are the archetypes conversing with each other in real time, where we have abductees who believe that they are in contact with their guides.

01:40:43.960 And then when they're abducted and bad, sinister things are done to them, they go back to the guides.

01:40:49.980 And now here's what's happening.

01:40:52.540 It's one of two things.

01:40:54.520 It's malevolent, sinister, but it's one of two things.

01:40:57.300 Either the guides reinterpret the unspeakable horror they experienced, say things like, well, it was done to you because it was done for you.

01:41:06.800 And you're special, by the way.

01:41:08.300 You're special, yeah.

01:41:09.320 Of course, yeah.

01:41:10.080 We've got sigils all over your body because you're special.

01:41:12.880 You know, either that's happening, and we're seeing that in real time, and it's what makes me so angry about ufology, where there's one researcher who, like, people are like, this one woman's like, you know, they did really bad things to me.

01:41:25.220 And he's like, well, yeah, but, you know, you need to go channel south.

01:41:28.880 So what we're looking at, again, is now that we've acknowledged the observer effect collapsing various forms of the same entities, now what he's, I guess, advising people to do is to go ask the entity.

01:41:42.880 About the entity.

01:41:44.680 He's just asking one puppet what the other puppet's doing.

01:41:47.780 You know what I mean?

01:41:48.400 It's a human centipede.

01:41:50.160 Is this making sense in the chat?

01:41:51.460 I'm probably getting murdered in there.

01:41:52.760 No, dude, no, you're not.

01:41:53.860 Our audience is familiar with a lot of this.

01:41:55.800 No, there's a, they're saying a lot of racial slurs, but none at you.

01:41:58.940 That's just what they do, yeah.

01:41:59.400 I swear, they don't even watch the show.

01:42:01.480 They just say, like, racial slurs in the chat.

01:42:03.780 But, no, I think that that does make a lot of sense, and I think that people, it's a really convenient thing to go, hey, these things are forcibly capable.

01:42:12.880 They're kidnapping you in the middle of the night.

01:42:14.800 They're assaulting you.

01:42:16.140 They're inseminating you.

01:42:17.900 You're taking, in some cases, a pregnancy to whatever term, and then the pregnancy is stripped from you.

01:42:23.900 And then sometimes later on in the life, these women are forced to see their hybrid children in some traumatic fashion, and how do you alleviate that?

01:42:33.760 The same way they've been doing it the entire time, they rebrand.

01:42:38.020 The woman you're talking about, was that Carla Ruckert that, like, channeled Seth?

01:42:42.360 Because I did some research on her.

01:42:44.560 There's a few of them.

01:42:46.020 There's a few of them.

01:42:47.100 Yeah, of course.

01:42:47.660 I mean, literally, yeah, it's Seth, the guy.

01:42:49.520 Oh, I'm Seth.

01:42:50.280 Yeah, because she's another one who is, like, it seems like she's channeling the nine in the law of one, ends up channeling Seth, and goes through some ritual sexual abuse or sexual magic.

01:43:00.500 And it's just, yeah, it's probably changing hands.

01:43:03.460 Now, in the lecture that I did at The Awakening about over a year ago now, The Awakening UK, it was called Molters, the host, the hybrid, and the copy.

01:43:14.620 And I went into how these entities are creating replicas of life or similages of their existence in order to, again, further their existence.

01:43:24.440 But in it, I describe what I believe the phenomenon to be at least as an allegory or a way to understand it.

01:43:32.840 The phenomenon evolves according to our awareness of it.

01:43:35.320 That's the observer effect.

01:43:36.440 We can at least acknowledge that to a degree.

01:43:39.300 But with respect to the archetypes it incarnates as, it's sharing information, not that they're separate entities.

01:43:45.320 It's one intelligence.

01:43:47.440 And so I likened it in the lecture to the spider-tailed Iranian viper.

01:43:52.960 Have you heard this yet?

01:43:55.100 No.

01:43:55.520 No.

01:43:56.080 Oh, my goodness.

01:43:58.580 Oh, I do know that creature, though.

01:44:00.520 It's got a, it's a viper with a, what looks to be an anatomically correct spider on its tail.

01:44:06.720 No.

01:44:07.380 This is, this is the phenomenon, the difference between the phenomenon manifesting, that's the proto-intelligence, and then the phenomenon incarnating, and that's the spider.

01:44:16.280 So here, what we have is a spider, a snake.

01:44:19.960 Its primary prey is, are birds.

01:44:25.280 And so what it realized is that in order to get what it's hungry for, it has to become what its prey is hungry for.

01:44:36.300 So it evolves.

01:44:37.900 I'm going to, I'm going to conjure you, but I'm going to allow you to think you're conjuring me.

01:44:43.100 And so the snake hides underneath the rock in the shade, takes its spider tail, flips it out there in the sun.

01:44:50.680 Here's what we do.

01:44:52.240 That's incarnation.

01:44:54.200 The bird zooms in and says, that's a spider.

01:44:57.940 It starts to apply spider rules.

01:45:00.080 That's a guide, a guide, you know, it's good interest.

01:45:02.680 There we go, right?

01:45:04.600 Oh, that's my dear, my dear ancestor, my dear Edna.

01:45:08.180 And so it dive bombs in, and when it latches on to the spider, there's a sharing of information from the tip of the tail to the head of the snake.

01:45:19.040 It's not a spider anymore.

01:45:21.140 It's a snake.

01:45:21.900 And the proto-intelligence emerges from the shadows, takes off the archetypal mask, and now we're interfacing with a species we didn't even know existed.

01:45:31.900 And we definitely don't know the rules of engagement.

01:45:34.940 There we go.

01:45:35.900 Right.

01:45:36.360 And so what happens is what we're hungry for is hungry for us.

01:45:40.020 What we're conjuring is conjuring us.

01:45:43.440 And it puts us right into the position of now we need to discuss scene five, the implications of it.

01:45:49.900 I felt called to go out and observe.

01:45:53.040 There's something calling you to be an observer.

01:45:55.960 And that, my friends, is the difference between manifestation and incarnation.

01:45:59.320 We become co-creators.

01:46:03.140 Wow.

01:46:04.380 Of the archetype.

01:46:06.980 Who do men say that I am, my friends?

01:46:09.920 Why?

01:46:10.480 It matters.

01:46:12.840 It matters.

01:46:17.140 Are you good, bud?

01:46:18.920 Yeah.

01:46:19.440 It's not often that you leave David speechless because now I'm like, I don't even know.

01:46:24.960 That's a spiral of a thought process that I have to take later.

01:46:28.800 It all makes sense.

01:46:29.200 Oh, my God.

01:46:29.740 Especially the whole concept of, I mean, what it does to me is it highlights that there is a tremendous weakness in them.

01:46:38.400 Yeah.

01:46:39.280 And the reason I say that is because the deception they have to deploy in order to operate and how much they rely on our consent and interaction with them almost suggests that without those things, they ain't shit.

01:46:52.100 They really can't do much of anything at all.

01:46:54.640 And I don't know about you, but when it comes to an adversary, one that is constantly making an effort to change forms and deceive you tells you that without that function, it's almost like it's not much of a threat.

01:47:11.600 It's the idea of that when Satan is casted out before the people, they'll look upon him and go like, damn, that's fucking what we were all.

01:47:18.420 Yeah, yeah, that's what my mind went to, yeah.

01:47:20.540 Yeah, it's also this idea of, so Joe and Franco, he was on Blurry Creatures recently.

01:47:28.860 He's a dude from the telepathy tapes that, yeah, I think he's like a minister, but he was talking about his experience in India where these people were keenly aware of the gods that they venerate.

01:47:40.380 And he asked them, he's like, hey, why do you do that?

01:47:43.340 And they said, oh, we do to keep them off of us.

01:47:44.840 And that is not, it's like, it's not the right answer.

01:47:49.760 That's why India is covered in human feces. 1.00

01:47:53.560 But then also to say, not to like, you know, crap on your narrative, David, but these things are quite dangerous.

01:48:00.680 Like, I don't, I don't understand.

01:48:02.260 But it's like, only if their deception holds up.

01:48:05.500 The second it starts to come apart, then the danger is gone.

01:48:08.220 You know, it's even like, you listen to these, and let's not even go into the whole casting them out in the name of Jesus, because there are,

01:48:14.840 instances where that doesn't work.

01:48:17.420 Well, could that, could that be like a human form that you were talking about, Nathaniel?

01:48:21.260 Maybe, but what I'm getting at is that outside of that, dismissing them in the name of Jesus or casting them out in the name of Jesus,

01:48:27.940 you will often hear other stories like, oh, I was visited by like people who aren't religious.

01:48:32.960 I was visited by a ghost and the ghost kept showing up over and over again.

01:48:36.640 And eventually I just asked it to leave.

01:48:39.040 And whether or not you believe that that ghost left, to that individual, perceivably speaking, it left.

01:48:44.660 And so whatever actually happened there, even if it's laying in the cut and waiting to come back in some nefarious way because you actually didn't get it,

01:48:50.880 which is very possible, it still needs to do a song and dance.

01:48:55.240 It's not this omnipresent, incredibly powerful thing that can, it needs to, it's like, let's say it is deceiving you and it's going to go away temporarily.

01:49:05.580 It sees you as, what would be the word?

01:49:10.540 It sees you as a worthy enough opponent that it needs to deceive you.

01:49:16.760 Yes.

01:49:17.320 So it's taking you with some sort of, you have levity in that situation.

01:49:23.780 You are a formidable foe.

01:49:25.640 You remember the story from this guy Pontus that wrote to us about Patty?

01:49:31.040 So again, back to our NDS Chronicles, his friend, this person's friend Patty was under some kind of demonic oppression.

01:49:38.720 And while he was at her house, like he would pray for her and they would, you know, he would, they would try to help.

01:49:43.780 He actually saw the entity on the roof of her, her house while they were outside and he rebukes it.

01:49:50.900 He tells it like, go away.

01:49:52.540 And the entity actually goes like to a peak and says, I'm far enough.

01:49:56.440 Like this is, I can go this far, but I have the right to be here.

01:50:01.680 It's still like, like I'm, I am a respect.

01:50:04.180 I'm like, what does that mean?

01:50:05.160 Like you are a respectable distance from, because he told you to leave, but you still have claim over Patty or whatever.

01:50:12.120 There are rules, man, that we have no clue about.

01:50:15.440 There we go.

01:50:16.020 And they've made it that way.

01:50:17.760 Yes.

01:50:18.040 We've been stripped of our understanding of that.

01:50:19.980 Exactly right.

01:50:20.700 And some of the, not even some, most of the propaganda we're getting now, even from the church.

01:50:25.380 And I hate to say that.

01:50:27.320 It's like, it's, it's, it's, again, it's, you know, take two of these, even the Threshold Covenant.

01:50:32.180 Like that was forced upon me at a young age.

01:50:33.860 So I'm like, this can't happen.

01:50:34.840 This can't be happening.

01:50:35.500 Threshold Covenant, Threshold Covenant.

01:50:36.640 It's like, no, it's happening.

01:50:38.780 My dad was an administrator at his church.

01:50:40.700 I was an innocent kid.

01:50:41.880 So there are things that are intentionally being propagated by the phenomenon that are seem to be, seem to be coping mechanisms.

01:50:48.680 Right.

01:50:49.060 Where, okay, yeah, this works, this works.

01:50:50.760 So then they're employed and the phenomenon sometimes even gets stronger.

01:50:53.580 But to your point about the rules, you know, they're, they're, even in incubate literature, there was one case study where, first of all, if we can believe them, right?

01:51:03.700 There was this one case study where it was a newlywed couple who go, you know, on the honeymoon and they consummate their marriage.

01:51:12.700 After the immediate consummation, boom, entity materializes.

01:51:17.660 Now, here's where we get to the pathology of possession.

01:51:22.240 Okay.

01:51:22.540 It's a pathogen.

01:51:24.200 It's the ultimate hijacker.

01:51:26.400 It starts here and ends up here.

01:51:28.280 It starts outside.

01:51:29.380 It ends inside.

01:51:30.940 It was through the act of penetration that the entity possessed her.

01:51:35.840 Okay.

01:51:40.400 This is some of the darker nuances of my work that I don't get into because I can't, but we're not, like, you know, alive.

01:51:46.140 No, that is a, that, because we joke about it a lot, too.

01:51:49.360 We say, like, like the, I have a t-shirt.

01:51:51.420 I'm, I'm, I'm, I own a t-shirt company and it's a, it's a bunch of spaceships on it and they're going through a portal that somebody drew.

01:51:57.740 And it looks like buttholes.

01:51:59.140 So I, it says interdimensional buttholes.

01:52:01.700 Yeah, I do.

01:52:02.060 I wore it, I wore it to the bank.

01:52:03.200 It's like, it was crazy.

01:52:04.000 But it's, there is something, it's, it's funny, right?

01:52:08.020 But I'm presenting you a very serious idea.

01:52:10.660 Like, these, uh, craft are going interdimensionally through what looks like a butthole.

01:52:16.340 And, and then you look at, at, like, the, the rituals that they would perform specifically with children.

01:52:21.580 It seems to revolve around that.

01:52:23.720 Crowley was kind of into that.

01:52:25.440 Sex magic is a, is a fundamental component to a lot of this research.

01:52:29.680 That's certainly what Crowley was into.

01:52:30.960 There's life being given from the, the vagina of the woman. 1.00

01:52:34.320 And then there's something else going on with that other hole that is, it's a stink portal.

01:52:39.440 Thank you, Kate.

01:52:40.000 Well, if you asked, uh, Juan Ayala of the one-on-one podcast, he would say, uh, it's, it's the portal through which the homunculus is birthed.

01:52:47.240 Yes, it's quite crude, but they're, they're doing this stuff.

01:52:50.460 And we are, like, I don't know, we're, the funny thing is the culture dabbles in it, right?

01:52:55.500 Like, like, we love, just recently it was a whole, you know, what, this episode's going off the rails, the whole ass-eating phase.

01:53:01.220 And I was like, what are we even doing, guys?

01:53:03.380 This is a trend?

01:53:04.320 There is so much significance to this, this idea of fornication, the penetration of any of these holes.

01:53:10.740 It's like, dude, you're, you're dabbling.

01:53:12.880 I wish somebody would have told me this when, like, like, you know, but in the church, my parents' best explanation, like, why you shouldn't have sex before marriage is like, it's, it's a sin.

01:53:21.920 God doesn't like it.

01:53:22.880 It's like, whatever, feels good.

01:53:24.720 I'm going to do it, you know?

01:53:25.680 And that's what most people do is like, but why?

01:53:28.440 But why?

01:53:29.160 It's because there is a significance to this ritual that you're doing with somebody that you love, you don't love, that you don't even know.

01:53:37.400 Yeah, you're touching on something here.

01:53:39.760 It's, it's that, okay, like, getting back to that case study where they interrogated the entity after it possessed the, the wife.

01:53:47.560 And in the interrogation, this, again, this implies rules if we believe them.

01:53:52.900 But they said, why didn't you do this to her prior to, you know, her getting married and consummating?

01:54:01.900 He said, because we were forbidden to touch her until she's been touched.

01:54:07.340 Now, my friends, this follows the line of thought into abuse.

01:54:12.160 Yes.

01:54:12.780 Like, I had a case years ago during COVID.

01:54:15.760 This is very, very sinister too.

01:54:17.480 And it was a friend of my family where I just get this phone call at like two in the morning.

01:54:24.140 You know, I was worried at the time I was working second shift and I just enjoyed my nights, right?

01:54:29.260 Summertime, I'm out in the parking lot, my driveway, brother, just hanging out.

01:54:32.240 Boom, phone call.

01:54:33.200 What's going on?

01:54:34.360 What can I do?

01:54:35.500 Well, we're at the ER.

01:54:36.840 They won't let us in to see our daughter, but she's having gastrointestinal issues.

01:54:41.540 I said, all right.

01:54:42.880 They're like, what can you do for us?

01:54:44.460 Can you tell us what's going on?

01:54:45.720 So I prayed and everything and I had a vision.

01:54:49.700 And in the vision, there was this man confessing his sins to me.

01:54:53.160 It was on my left side.

01:54:54.280 I don't understand it.

01:54:55.240 Made no sense.

01:54:56.060 His name was Dan.

01:54:56.860 He stunk like B.O. and he smoked and had a mustache.

01:55:00.180 I said, who am I looking at?

01:55:01.420 And she said, that's my daughter's biological father.

01:55:04.500 I said, well, this man's a rapist.

01:55:06.840 Yes, he is a rapist.

01:55:08.880 Unbelievable, weird stuff.

01:55:10.140 So he's confessing to me everything he did.

01:55:13.680 And I promise you this happened.

01:55:17.580 And in the middle of his confession, he says that the spirit that's on me assaulted my daughter.

01:55:24.800 And so then I go into, and I'm seeing, this is why like the church tried to mentor me into prophecy.

01:55:29.480 And I don't want you to be a problem with that.

01:55:30.500 Whatever.

01:55:31.220 That's a long story.

01:55:32.200 But anyway, so I'm like, okay, well, I'm in your house now.

01:55:34.280 Like I'm looking at a chair.

01:55:35.700 There's a couch.

01:55:36.360 I sit there about two weeks when she gets out.

01:55:38.100 I want you to sit her down and ask her what has happened.

01:55:41.780 I said, because she has been assaulted.

01:55:44.560 And this entity that was possessing the man that assaulted her is now inhabiting her dreams at night.

01:55:50.780 So they sit her down, come to find out.

01:55:55.280 Yeah, she was a college student, went to a party.

01:55:57.640 Some big burly man pulled her into a room, assaulted her. 1.00

01:56:00.680 The problem is, this is where the pathology is crazy, that that man left, but the entity visited her now.

01:56:09.680 So that entity literally possessed someone to create trauma in her life and then came back to feed on it in her nightmares.

01:56:19.740 This is like a parasite.

01:56:21.560 This is what a parasite does.

01:56:22.760 Parasitic.

01:56:23.460 Absolutely.

01:56:24.360 Yeah, it's deeper than symbiotic relationship and symbiotic.

01:56:28.200 So my point here is that she was freaking out because even though it wasn't the man, it had the same personality type, right?

01:56:38.920 Because that entity was wearing him as an avatar, had the same, just the same bravado and the same smell.

01:56:45.260 It was freaking her out.

01:56:46.780 And so I said, okay, well, once she tells you about that, what she has to do is go get therapy.

01:56:51.020 And when she got therapy, she closed that portal.

01:56:54.140 And so my point here is that some of these entities will cause trauma in lives and use people to do it.

01:57:03.000 And then when they'll pull themselves out of that biological avatar, they'll go hijack that person and start haunting them.

01:57:10.760 It's like they create a crack in you, especially childhood trauma, one that they can enter and exit through pretty much at their leisure.

01:57:18.260 Well, this is the idea of –

01:57:19.580 Absolutely.

01:57:20.160 This is going to get – I mean, whatever.

01:57:21.220 This episode is already like off the rails, but the idea of homosexuality is not like a natural thing.

01:57:27.340 Like Lady Gaga would say, born this way.

01:57:28.920 It's like, no, there's a good argument that this happens at childhood.

01:57:32.080 This happens with trauma.

01:57:33.500 Yeah, I think the study –

01:57:34.560 Milo.

01:57:35.560 Milo Yiannopoulos got in trouble for saying this.

01:57:37.320 That's what got him canceled.

01:57:38.360 Of all the things he said, it was –

01:57:40.720 Of all the things he said, yeah.

01:57:42.080 Of all the things he said, he's like, I was touched as a child.

01:57:44.460 That's why I am the way I am.

01:57:46.360 And I'm like, there is something to that.

01:57:47.940 That story is prevalent in this community.

01:57:50.140 They used to have psychological studies that showed upwards of 60% to 70% of gay-identifying males also suffered some sort of childhood trauma of a sexual variety.

01:58:01.180 And then they stopped doing those studies.

01:58:03.340 So that's not really a point of research anymore.

01:58:06.160 But yeah, I mean, it's like trauma is the gateway.

01:58:09.400 If they can first get you there, they've got you vulnerable, and then they've got an anchor to latch on to, whether it's the person who traumatized you or something like that.

01:58:17.740 And they've got an inn that they can enter.

01:58:20.980 Yes, the pathology is the same.

01:58:24.360 And remember how I said that there seem to be some of these are formerly human practitioners.

01:58:28.280 We don't know what that formerly human aspect of our potentiality is.

01:58:32.240 We call it a ghost, but truly not.

01:58:34.460 This is where, again, that the Hebrew authors, they kind of got the concept of the ghost god.

01:58:40.120 And it's from the Atreus epic where it's the ghost of man is made from the flesh of a god.

01:58:43.560 And so it's that liminal existence, okay?

01:58:48.220 That's really what I'm trying to articulate.

01:58:50.120 And I believe that's what our ancestors were trying to describe is that whatever that species is, we don't really have a way to articulate them.

01:58:59.140 Yes.

01:59:00.180 Do we have a way to battle them?

01:59:01.580 Because this is what Fringer was talking about.

01:59:03.520 And many people, Albarino pushed back on us about the name of Jesus getting these things to go away.

01:59:08.500 He said, in some cases, no.

01:59:10.080 And it's like, then are those entities?

01:59:11.640 I'm glad he's being honest about that.

01:59:12.660 You know, that's incredible.

01:59:14.080 Kudos to him because people want to ride that narrative.

01:59:16.980 And I'm telling you, it's great for likes and clicks.

01:59:19.760 It will feed people's families.

01:59:22.580 But at the end of the day, right?

01:59:24.660 It's not helping Fringe.

01:59:25.400 It's not helping.

01:59:26.720 Now, here is what's going to blow your mind.

01:59:31.300 If we are dealing with a species that's inhabiting another species or at least putting its consciousness in the avatar,

01:59:37.780 what we could be looking at is the name of Jesus being spoken to the avatar.

01:59:43.880 Right.

01:59:45.160 Right.

01:59:45.680 Exactly.

01:59:46.340 Not.

01:59:47.560 Right.

01:59:48.160 And so if as long as that species has a little bit of free will, you won't initially be talking to the entity.

01:59:55.800 You're talking to the avatar.

01:59:56.940 And so when people, and that's something that I've been toying with.

02:00:00.660 It's a theory.

02:00:02.140 But getting back to rules.

02:00:04.100 Let me say, Nathaniel, there's a, again, it could be a bogus story, but the guy that, he has a book holder that he killed Anton LaVey.

02:00:10.940 I forget his name.

02:00:12.460 There's a point where he says Anton LaVey is, what's the word?

02:00:17.640 Like his spirit is like astral projecting and tormenting him in his house.

02:00:21.880 And I guess he can knock stuff over to a certain level, talk to him.

02:00:24.300 And he rebukes him in the name of Jesus.

02:00:25.940 Same thing.

02:00:26.320 Get out of my house in the name of Jesus. 0.98

02:00:27.500 And he laughs at him because he's like, I'm not a demon.

02:00:30.380 I'm a human.

02:00:31.640 And I don't respond to that.

02:00:34.180 You can't do that.

02:00:35.420 You're hitting the nail on the head.

02:00:36.860 Right.

02:00:37.300 And this is something that French and I talked about a long time ago, not a long time ago, but a while ago, where trying to understand why it doesn't work.

02:00:45.240 You know, even in like some of the research my friends are doing in the UK, we had a conversation where he, my friend was like, yeah, he's like, it was the most devoted that were the most haunted.

02:00:55.740 And we can kind of internalize that specifically in religiosity.

02:00:59.800 So, okay, of course, right.

02:01:01.100 The devil fights those who he fears the most, that kind of logic.

02:01:05.100 But with respect to hybridism, possession turned into pregnancy.

02:01:09.240 And so there's a difference.

02:01:10.620 It's fascinating.

02:01:11.780 There's the haunting and then there's the hatching.

02:01:15.340 And we're dealing with, there we go, my friend.

02:01:18.720 Absolutely.

02:01:19.540 And that's why in my book, The Skin That Crawls, which I make, I may send that link to you.

02:01:25.700 I don't know if I did or not.

02:01:26.740 Oh, yes, please do.

02:01:27.640 I'm looking it up now.

02:01:29.500 All right.

02:01:29.780 Let me, let me give it to you.

02:01:30.920 But what I'm dealing with again is the golem, the sigilization of the Hebrew word for fetus. 0.96

02:01:38.580 That's the golem. 0.96

02:01:40.140 Right.

02:01:40.440 So what they're doing essentially is, it's replicating.

02:01:44.540 Let me see if I can find it, buddy.

02:01:46.460 But yeah, so that's what I'm dealing with lately.

02:01:50.680 And I'm excited.

02:01:52.560 Let's see.

02:01:56.680 Is it an e-book or is it a physical copy book?

02:01:59.480 What do you got there?

02:01:59.980 It's going to be both, buddy.

02:02:01.700 Let me see.

02:02:02.240 How can I love it?

02:02:03.120 Anyways, I'll send it to you after the show and then you can kind of put it up.

02:02:10.220 How about that?

02:02:11.040 Yes.

02:02:11.180 But yeah, that may very well be what's going on is where essentially when we deal with these hybrids, it would be an exorcism. 1.00

02:02:21.040 That's way different than what was given to me as a kid, right?

02:02:24.680 It's like Michael Scott, right?

02:02:26.200 When he's dealing with Toby and Toby's like trying to really get him to talk about his trauma in childhood.

02:02:29.960 And Michael Scott's like, yeah, take two of these and call me in the morning.

02:02:34.460 That's how, right, I was treated.

02:02:36.360 And it's like that's not really what's going on.

02:02:41.140 It's like I'm trying to gather, you know, the rules of this spiritual realm, the rules of engagement.

02:02:46.480 And it seems sometimes that, you know, they're giving you this rudimentary like say these prayers and be done with it.

02:02:54.600 But it seems like the reason they have access to you in the first place might be the problem, meaning there might be a bit of legalese as to why they are able to interact with you.

02:03:06.600 And maybe until you address that, you know, and you're talking about this childhood trauma or trauma of any sort and, you know, going through therapy and things like that, maybe until you address that thing that has given them legal rights over you, it's not going to be that simple.

02:03:22.760 It's something that I spoke with Fringe about.

02:03:24.900 Again, it's like so like we're saying here, it's like I agree with you completely that the church has been I don't want to call it a failure.

02:03:32.260 Actually, I will call it a failure in its current state.

02:03:34.680 Mostly what it is, is it has failed to prepare us and it's failed in a bunch of different ways.

02:03:39.680 But what I brought up to Fringe was the idea of baptism because she says she hasn't been baptized.

02:03:45.700 And that's a ritual that has to do with water, purification.

02:03:49.820 And there's something significant with like regular, regular clear water, not brackish water.

02:03:57.020 Like it seems like brackish water is used to trap entities at the bottom of the ocean.

02:04:00.240 But regular clear water was used for this idea of almost an exorcism.

02:04:04.720 So I'm like, maybe check that out.

02:04:06.800 Check down that road because we haven't found the answer.

02:04:08.940 I mean, the name of Jesus works for, it worked for David.

02:04:12.640 David had an encounter with an entity, but it doesn't work all the time.

02:04:16.040 So we have to keep asking.

02:04:18.500 Yes, yes.

02:04:19.460 And I don't even think we've, I don't think we have food.

02:04:21.860 Have you guys touched on Ezekiel 13 yet?

02:04:24.260 You want the souls of men to make them fly, to cause them to fly?

02:04:27.260 Yeah.

02:04:27.740 No.

02:04:28.180 So in Ezekiel chapter 13, this is out of the book Disabodied Souls again.

02:04:32.000 He's dealing, the author is dealing with a species of necromancer that is basically genderless.

02:04:38.140 Some Hebrew words point to female, others male.

02:04:41.860 But it's a species of necromancer that's employing some form of technology in order to trap souls.

02:04:48.960 And that's something I've covered it years ago, but I don't think we have in the interview yet.

02:04:53.520 But yeah, that's, I believe these are the same species where they hunt the souls of men to make them fly.

02:05:00.440 And it's fascinating.

02:05:02.160 And the idea, again, it's, it's a reference to the Egyptian soul, the Ba'a soul.

02:05:07.200 Do you think, do you think these entities can, because there's an idea of selling your soul and without, without any like knowledge, like, like solid knowledge about it, I get the inclination that you cannot sell your soul.

02:05:19.580 It doesn't seem like it belongs, it's ours, but it does not belong to us.

02:05:22.760 But trapping it is something that seems like maybe they could keep you in a spot for a little while.

02:05:28.780 But doing it, I don't know.

02:05:31.200 Well, now we're going in a unique direction.

02:05:35.300 I hope people are still loving this.

02:05:36.340 I don't want to keep you for, if you got to go, let me know, because I don't want to, I want to respect your time.

02:05:40.680 It's just like, I got questions.

02:05:42.100 Well, I have a few more minutes.

02:05:45.360 Okay.

02:05:47.580 So here is what we're dealing with.

02:05:51.500 Here's some of the, like, the fringe, not the fringe areas of the research.

02:05:58.460 We have case studies where, like, Whitley Streber was abducted and in his encounter, they're taking fingernails samples and cutting his fingernails.

02:06:08.700 And he's asking them, why are you doing this?

02:06:10.640 And they said, we're going to be making another you.

02:06:13.800 We have cases, like one of which Dr. Carla Turner had, where the lady is abducted and they're threatening her.

02:06:21.240 Like, listen, if you don't do what we want you to do, we're going to do something to you.

02:06:26.640 And they said, okay, what are you going to do?

02:06:27.860 And they pointed at the corner of the room and there's another body of her, another clone of her.

02:06:33.460 And they said, you know, if you don't do what we want you to do, we'll kill you and we'll send that back and nobody will know the difference.

02:06:40.640 So, I would suggest, and this is very deep and dark, that not everybody who's returned actually made it back.

02:06:46.700 Sounds like Kanye West, dude.

02:06:48.520 Yeah.

02:06:49.700 By the way, was that a real tweet or not?

02:06:52.200 It was a real tweet.

02:06:53.360 Was it real?

02:06:54.100 I don't know.

02:06:54.860 It was a real ass tweet.

02:06:56.880 It was crazy.

02:06:59.660 Yeah.

02:07:00.200 So, I mean, once again, that just stems into so much, right?

02:07:03.940 Because we sit now in a space in the conspiracy world where cloning and these underground facilities or potential underground facilities, cloning facilities exist.

02:07:15.720 And, yeah, Kanye potentially having been cloned.

02:07:19.020 And then, of course, you have the IVF program.

02:07:22.800 That's the most sinister.

02:07:24.400 Yeah.

02:07:24.580 Because we know that Elon Musk is using IVF after he lost his first baby.

02:07:29.040 That's the excuse for creating these designer babies. 1.00

02:07:31.620 But Donald Trump is proposing legislation to make IVF not just affordable but almost like government funded.

02:07:37.880 And with that comes this idea of when the eggs are taken from the woman after the retrieval process, they're then frozen until they're inseminated with the sperm.

02:07:47.920 But when they're frozen, they cost money to store.

02:07:50.760 And if you can't afford IVF in general, you're not going to be able to afford this yearly month or whatever payment to freeze these eggs.

02:07:58.120 That means they're government owned.

02:08:00.020 And that worries me.

02:08:02.020 Let's get back into, again, we're literally looking at necromancy.

02:08:07.880 Which I'll explain here in a second.

02:08:10.500 Necromancy being merged with technology.

02:08:13.760 It's necronetics now.

02:08:15.460 In Israel, what they're starting to do is take DC soldiers.

02:08:20.700 Yeah.

02:08:21.420 It's all that.

02:08:22.720 Reanimate the corpse.

02:08:24.300 Harvest the secretions.

02:08:26.020 And seminate the wife or the girlfriend. 0.51

02:08:28.640 That sounds like what you were talking about at the beginning of the show.

02:08:31.240 Absolutely.

02:08:32.160 It's the same shit.

02:08:32.780 Absolutely.

02:08:33.680 They're not just starting to.

02:08:35.040 They've been doing this.

02:08:36.000 I read that like three years ago.

02:08:38.180 I was like, that's strange.

02:08:39.540 By the way, it's probably my belly, dude.

02:08:41.320 I'm starving.

02:08:41.900 If you guys hear anything, it's.

02:08:43.680 I haven't eaten yet.

02:08:44.080 I've been listening to it.

02:08:44.760 I thought you had.

02:08:45.380 I thought they were there.

02:08:46.200 I thought the phenomenon was in the room with you.

02:08:47.800 The phenomenon.

02:08:48.740 I actually had somebody email that to me a long time ago where I think I'm possessed.

02:08:52.360 And I was like, why?

02:08:53.060 He's like, because my stomach growls at me.

02:08:55.180 And I'm like.

02:08:57.000 Oops.

02:08:57.280 I mean, you know, it's sometimes it's better to be cautious.

02:09:00.160 Overly cautious is a thing.

02:09:01.580 But well, why don't we.

02:09:04.260 We're at the two hour and 10 minute mark.

02:09:05.880 Why don't we bring it in for a landing here?

02:09:07.940 I, you know, Nathan, I know you.

02:09:10.440 You were concerned a little bit about the nature just because of how it's been received in the past.

02:09:14.100 Nathaniel.

02:09:14.560 I don't know if someone's like Nate Dogg, Nathan, Nathaniel.

02:09:17.240 I think Nate Dogg is good.

02:09:18.200 Nate Dogg.

02:09:19.900 There's a big concern about how this is going to be received.

02:09:23.740 Not a big concern.

02:09:24.520 I mean, you're going forward.

02:09:25.380 You're doing this research.

02:09:26.280 You're making your appearances on these shows.

02:09:27.780 And I just want to say that you might find this to be a positive, but I don't think that you ruffled any feathers of our audience.

02:09:36.620 And in fact, much of the research that you've laid out for us here fits in really well with what we've been discussing.

02:09:43.440 And and I think that what you're discovering might help us in a very particular area.

02:09:50.360 And I don't just mean us on the show.

02:09:51.840 I mean, everybody who is now being awakened to the idea that there is a spiritual realm.

02:09:56.780 We said it a couple of times here during this show.

02:09:58.680 We've been stripped of our understanding of it.

02:10:00.840 We don't understand the rules of engagement.

02:10:02.440 And these things are playing multiple games with us.

02:10:04.620 They're presenting as one thing and we engage with that on a basis that we think we understand.

02:10:09.600 It's actually not that.

02:10:10.760 It's actually something else in the wings hiding behind that sort of straw man that you're interacting with.

02:10:15.700 You know, David, you've said multiple times, Daniel, that you're like you separate yourself from other researchers as you do this because you don't want them to get these attachments.

02:10:25.560 And I've thought about this as I do this show.

02:10:27.340 I was like, we're presenting crazy information to these people that some some of it could be probably not true.

02:10:33.080 But a lot of it is right on.

02:10:35.080 A lot of it is dead on.

02:10:36.380 And I'm like, am I opening the door to these people to be visited or to have and and I was I was a little hesitant at first when I'm like, no, man, this door has been kicked open since COVID.

02:10:45.980 That door has been kicked wide open.

02:10:48.020 And guess what?

02:10:48.960 It's looking at you no matter if you look at it.

02:10:51.520 If you look at it back, it's looking at all the people that don't listen to the show, my family members who have their head in the sand.

02:10:56.960 It's looking direct.

02:10:58.220 It's breathing down your neck and it's about to touch you.

02:11:00.780 So we better start look like learning, learning how to engage with these things.

02:11:05.660 Sorry, David, continue.

02:11:06.660 That's exactly what I was going to say is, is it may be uncomfortable information.

02:11:10.220 It may seemingly fly in the face of what you think you knew before.

02:11:14.780 But we need to understand how this works.

02:11:17.880 And we're we're in a position.

02:11:20.400 Humanity is in a position where the old texts have been obfuscated.

02:11:25.380 History has been rewritten a gang of times.

02:11:28.080 His civilizations have been hidden from us.

02:11:30.000 And we are almost at at like first base, like we've got to start all over again in trying to understand this phenomenon.

02:11:38.480 And we have some things that we can we can look to and use as something to lean on.

02:11:43.040 But a lot of this is going to be new territory.

02:11:44.760 And I have a feeling that in the near future, these things are going to become more prolific in people's lives.

02:11:50.900 I think they are now.

02:11:51.960 I think I might be biased, but from where I'm sitting and the things that I'm looking at, it seems like it's happening more.

02:12:00.000 Than it used to.

02:12:00.840 It seems like there's been an uptick in this supernatural experience that people are bumping into.

02:12:06.220 And if that's true, if there is a trend upward, if the veil is thinning, if supernatural events are taking place more often than they were previously.

02:12:15.120 Well, then it's more important now than maybe ever to understand this other realm that does exist and influences our own physical realm to a degree that we can't even begin to imagine.

02:12:27.320 Absolutely.

02:12:28.340 We have to.

02:12:29.780 Yes, we have to grow out of the dogma and grow into the data at all costs.

02:12:36.240 That's interesting.

02:12:37.020 I like that.

02:12:37.440 Grow out of the dogma and into the data.

02:12:38.760 One more time.

02:12:41.120 Where can people find you?

02:12:42.280 Hold on one sec.

02:12:43.120 Look, these are our fans.

02:12:44.440 This guy can come back whenever he wants.

02:12:45.720 So they just book our show now.

02:12:47.460 Yeah.

02:12:47.680 And that's fine.

02:12:48.640 He's here every day.

02:12:49.660 Z-Man is a high.

02:12:50.080 He's a high level supporter too.

02:12:52.040 So if you have Z-Man's blessing, then that's as good as anybody's. 0.98

02:12:57.840 I'll take it.

02:12:58.680 I'll take it.

02:12:59.260 Yeah.

02:13:00.460 So I'm on Instagram.

02:13:01.920 I was on X and I couldn't take it, man, honestly.

02:13:06.440 I'm telling you, I went on for a space.

02:13:13.180 Fringe invited me on and was very graceful.

02:13:15.920 And I really enjoyed my time on there.

02:13:20.480 But X itself, it's a cesspool.

02:13:24.680 And so I tried to get back on and I couldn't take it as long as I thought I could.

02:13:28.640 And so now I'm back off.

02:13:29.700 But you can find me on Instagram here.

02:13:32.480 And yeah, so that's where I'm at.

02:13:36.820 And the book coming out, whenever it comes out, you have to let us know because I'm

02:13:40.820 sure, I mean, I'm going to buy a copy and then I'll, like, I think the people here would

02:13:44.740 be interested.

02:13:45.340 So The Skin That Crawls, that's your next book.

02:13:49.580 Yeah.

02:13:49.820 The Skin That Crawls, I'm opening up.

02:13:51.440 The opening chapter is the ritual doctrine of non-corporal conception.

02:13:55.100 And it's about how the observer effect is weaponized against us, where it wants to be observed and

02:14:02.920 we want to observe it.

02:14:04.240 And so in that interfacing moment, the phenomenon incarnates.

02:14:09.120 And it's, anyways, it's going to be interesting.

02:14:11.480 I hope people like it.

02:14:12.600 And I didn't, like, I wasn't, like, as known as I am now, not that I'm, like, of some huge

02:14:18.900 celebrity, but I didn't have, like, publishers, you know, like, knocking down my door when

02:14:23.600 I started the book.

02:14:24.620 Like, now they are.

02:14:26.040 And I'm, like, I don't even know if I want to do that, right?

02:14:28.280 I'm just going to publish it myself.

02:14:30.960 And then maybe my second book will be with, I don't know.

02:14:35.920 But, yeah, I appreciate you guys having me on, man.

02:14:38.040 It's been a blast.

02:14:39.280 And we covered a lot of really germane content.

02:14:42.120 It was an awesome conversation.

02:14:44.040 And it's one of these that I know we're going to cite back to when it comes to this narrative.

02:14:49.220 Yeah, they're going to be exhausted hearing your name.

02:14:51.480 Like, actually, Nathaniel Gillis said.

02:14:53.180 Nathaniel Gillis says.

02:14:54.200 Yeah, uh-huh.

02:14:55.000 That's going to be it.

02:14:55.820 Exactly.

02:14:56.420 Our audience is going to be chewing us up for that one.

02:14:59.280 Is that all we got, Top?

02:15:00.560 That's all we got.

02:15:01.240 Again, Nathaniel, open door.

02:15:02.700 But, guys, until tomorrow, I think we're back.

02:15:05.160 We'll see you later.

02:15:06.100 And don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.

02:15:09.300 Bye.

02:15:09.500 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:15:16.240 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:15:19.680 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see in the eyes.

02:15:27.200 Because they'll think face of an expedition that portrays the bigger picture of what's in the world.

02:15:34.200 I know, yeah.

02:15:34.580 Oh! 0.60

02:15:36.940 I know.

02:15:38.040 Oh! 0.60

02:15:38.360 Oh! 0.60

02:15:39.540 Oh! 0.60

02:15:40.980 Oh! 0.60

02:15:41.800 Oh! 0.60

02:15:42.400 Thank you.

Nephilim Death Squad - May 02, 2025

160： Necronetics & Necromancers： Nathaniel Gillis on Demons, Hybrids & Ritual Technology

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