Nathaniel Gillis joins us to discuss his research into necromancy and the self-replicating species of the Necronomancers. We discuss the dangers of government conspiracies, and how to deal with them.
00:02:11.300Yeah, I mean, the and more part is getting insane.
00:02:14.540Like, the and more, I'm like, is that really happening?
00:02:16.440So get your tickets when they drop, which probably will be at the end of this week for patrons and next week or so in the next two weeks for everybody else.
00:02:42.860So my work is centered around what I call necronetics, the ritual doctrine of non-corporeal conception or the self-replication of a necromantic species.
00:02:55.200I research the darker nuances of the phenomenon.
00:02:58.360It's interesting, albeit disturbing, but if anybody wants to find more of my research, you can follow me on Instagram and even go to my YouTube account under my name.
00:03:09.240And there's a playlist of, I think, over 150 interviews I've done in the last few years.
00:03:16.640How did you summarize what it is that you do?
00:03:19.040Necronetics, it's a field of research I've created merely because I lack the vocabulary to articulate the case studies I was researching.
00:03:29.940And essentially, it's researching and literally stalking a species of what I believe to be necromancers that are self-replicating their own existence.
00:03:40.900That is a fascinating concept, and I'm really excited to get into it.
00:03:44.680I want to shout out for a moment one of the fans of the show, The Dead Can't Dance on Twitter.
00:03:50.620She's been putting you on our radar for a while, and then we heard your recent episode with Tony Merkel.
00:03:57.780And sort of a happy coincidence, although I don't really believe in coincidences, your research overlaps heavily with much of the research that we've been doing.
00:04:07.700If you want to call what we do here research, what Top and I do.
00:04:12.860But there's a big cross-section involving what you're diving into and what we're diving into and how all of this connects to sort of the big picture.
00:04:24.300So I don't know where you'd like to start, Nathaniel, but it's all yours if you want to take it away.
00:04:29.060How about we explain a little bit about the concept of necromancy and how it fits into this worldview that we have in regards to – it sounds like an old-school thing.
00:04:40.540It sounds like a thing that doesn't happen anymore, right?
00:04:42.500It sounds like something that took place in medieval era, but here we are in modern day.
00:04:48.340It sounds like the priming of this is like from the phenomenon of that, like the zombie apocalypse idea that was very popular a decade ago.
00:05:10.460So early on in my research, I was studying the pathology of possession as it relates to our species and going through different case studies.
00:05:20.480And then I kind of took on the perception and perspective of the Vatican and the way that they researched possession cases.
00:05:28.680And so I delved into Father Morse, and I got into Monakai Martin's research.
00:05:35.560And then I kind of – and then I got a hold of a guy named T. Witten Davies, and he was a biblical scholar.
00:05:41.840But he has a book on divination in the ancient Near East.
00:05:44.980And then they kind of bloomed into a series.
00:05:48.820It was almost like a systematic body of work to where I realized that what possession was to at least the church that I grew up in and what I was taught was not really the pathology I was encountering.
00:06:02.600And so then I realized that some of these beings are literally mimicking the demonic, but not in terms of actual historical cases of the demonic, but literally whatever we believe demons to be.
00:06:15.920If you want me to be horns and hooves, then that's what I'll be.
00:06:19.440And so it was literally employing an interface with the exorcist.
00:06:23.820And so that's when I started questioning and truthfully deconstructing some of what I was taught as a child.
00:06:30.480And so that's kind of my origin story in the research, but that's when I looked at this, I had to.
00:06:37.040I had to confront the question of possession through anthropology.
00:06:41.020And once I got into the golden bow with James Frazier, that's when I realized that, okay, not only has the phenomenon been manipulating us throughout history, it seems to be that there exists in the earth an embodied species of practitioner.
00:06:58.160That is replicating by virtue of diversifying its consciousness and possessing various people at the same time.
00:07:07.740And then to take it a step further, that possession to us is a form of pregnancy to whatever this particular species is.
00:07:16.980So then from that point, I went into the sexual pathology of these entities.
00:07:22.820And it does, it really does go back to Genesis 6, but I think it's a little bit more complex than the kind of simplified version I was taught.
00:07:31.340And so that's, I'm with the Igby literature, the Igby literature, and then now I've kind of collapsed all of those models and I'm still stuck in the Old Testament, Mesopotamian magic, realizing that these are they, and that these aren't separate entities, or at least aliens, ghosts, that it's something that has a body.
00:07:53.340And that really destroyed and deconstructed my model of what I thought we were dealing with.
00:08:00.120Nathan, so we have this phenomenon and, you know, we're talking about possession and things of that nature.
00:08:06.760And it does seem to be that there is, what was the language that you used?
00:08:11.000Within the earth, there are entities that are practicing this sort of thing?
00:08:16.900Necromancers, yeah, there's a certain kind of species that's, and we'll get into that.
00:08:21.240The combination of the term incubus and incubate was scholars, their, their, their, I guess, their attempt at defining whatever these beings are.
00:08:33.100So, um, for us, when we think of species, right, we're thinking of a flesh and blood kind of a, you know, is it a mammal? Is it a, is it a, you know, reptile? Does it fit into the paradigm that we understand?
00:08:46.600And, um, it's far and few in between that we talk about a species that doesn't seem to have a physical, tangible form, or at least not always.
00:08:54.200Um, where do you think these things, what form, how do they exist when they're not taking over a body?
00:09:01.320So, I'm looking at the probability of some kind of plasma field or a constitution of consciousness to where it can materialize and dematerialize at will.
00:09:17.320You know, one of the cases I've been working on as of late, it's one of Dr. Carla Turner's late abductees.
00:09:22.020And, um, actually she's deceased now, so it's her son actually, but he was talking to me about how the phenomenon would manifest over his mother as she was sleeping.
00:09:34.340And to be honest with you guys, I've had, again, I've told this before in the green room where the depth of darkness we're going to be talking about, the hitchhiker effect is very common.
00:09:43.380And so I have to kind of separate myself from people in the field out of fear that I don't want this to kind of hijack and start materializing in their house.
00:09:50.980This is the kind of research I'm talking about, but he said that in the middle of the night, his father himself, they'd be watching a movie and his mother would be laying on the couch sleeping and in the corner of the room would materialize a plasma field, balls of light.
00:10:06.680This is a very important pathology for those who are watching.
00:10:10.120And, and as it hovered over his mother, he would be terrified and he'd ask his dad as a child, dad, what is that?
00:10:17.120And he said, my dad would always comfort me and say, son, it's okay.
00:10:41.600You know, and so my point here is that there was a difference between the phenomenon they witnessed over the mother and what she witnessed interfacing with it to her, they were alien greys to everybody else.
00:10:56.740It was something completely different.
00:10:58.200I would suggest that the phenomenon, when it wants to incarnate is seeking to be seen in when we observe it, we are collapsing different forms of the same entity.
00:11:46.180It's a running up the stairs from the basement and you feel like something's hot on your heels.
00:11:49.040And the last thing you want to do instinctively is turn around and look down the, and there's some baseline instinct, you know, I feel like I'm wrong though.
00:11:56.660Like these things definitely do exist, even though I'm not looking at them.
00:11:59.300Well, I have heard what, what Nathan's talking about though.
00:12:02.040Sometimes these things will manifest in people's rooms as like, you know, Barney or the kid's favorite action figure.
00:12:09.500It's like something, what did Colin experience?
00:12:11.660Colin, so Colin is somebody that came on our show very early, episode 15.
00:12:16.880And he's somebody I knew previously as well.
00:12:18.800Before I even started doing this endeavor, I was like just in comedy and graphic design.
00:12:22.320And we were friends and he was telling me about this phenomenon where he was approached and recruited by an entity when he was working at a comedy club.
00:12:30.260Ended up, it's, it like borders between like spiritual fantasy, mushroom trips and abduction phenomenon.
00:12:37.140He was taken in some sort of lab setting, operated on, constantly told like, you've consented to this.
00:16:51.840I remember reading a case study in Eris and Evil of an Albigensian anthropologist that lived hundreds of years ago.
00:16:59.060But he had this one specific grimoire that had a specific potion.
00:17:04.880And he had to travel the whole globe to get the ingredients of this potion.
00:17:08.400Once he finally found all of them, mixed the potion together, ingested it, he's out of his body, interfacing with an entity.
00:17:16.920And the first question the entity asked him is, what are you doing here?
00:17:19.540So, whatever we're dealing with, it does imply somewhat of a nature, sort of a simulation.
00:17:28.180And unfortunately, and this is what I'm learning and others that I'm currently working with, is that whatever we're interfacing with beyond the archetypes, it does seem to be a species of initiates.
00:17:41.260And if you're not, yes, adepts, where mages, where they're still performing their rituals on people.
00:17:52.320You know, specifically dealing like with the extraterrestrial hypothesis.
00:17:56.620And I mentioned this earlier, like there are people coming forward to me that are huge in ufology and saying, listen, yeah, they're supposed to be extraterrestrial.
00:18:04.040But ufologists that are telling us they're ET are actually building altars.
00:18:09.880So, it's not limited to Albert Bender, you know, 50, 70 years ago.
00:18:17.100And so, what I'm looking at, at least my current model of the phenomenon, is that there seems to be a disconnect between these beings of being, I should say, aliens, demons, and actual practitioners.
00:18:32.520Because I got to tell you, like the research I've been doing here lately, specifically dealing with sigilization, these sigils are not just gender specific, but they're matching Austin Osman Spar's philosophy about sigilization.
00:18:49.020Where the body that they're carving these sigils into and out of, it's absorbing them.
00:18:56.720And at the fulfillment of the ritual, maybe three days later, they systematically and supernaturally disappear.
00:19:04.240And so, here we have what I call the proto-intelligence directly operating hand-in-hand with practitioners.
00:19:12.800And my issue here is, if these practitioners came out with, like again, with Austin Osman Spar, with their philosophy of sigilization, and the phenomenon is honoring it, it's believing in it, it's employing it, then now we have to start asking if our model of the phenomenon is even correct, or at least the one I inherited as a young person.
00:19:36.820Again, the sigilization, again, the sigilizations are following occultists here.
00:19:41.860And so, there does, again, it's almost as if some of these people, I do believe this, by the way, that they are being groomed for the afterlife.
00:19:53.280And that whatever we're dealing with, the Collins Elite's model was pretty accurate.
00:19:58.820That they are outside of space-time, that we would consider them in the afterlife.
00:20:03.180But my point is, they're still performing these rituals under the auspices of the extraterrestrial.
00:20:08.780And that's why I call them a species, because anything more than that, I don't understand.
00:25:23.360The argument in academia, especially for the last 50 years, up until we discovered, not saying we, but they discovered the Katamua inscription of the Zincurli expedition in Turkey.
00:25:36.780That's when they started realizing that our ancestors, specifically in Hebrew theology, did believe that there was a species that survived bodily death.
00:25:47.580And that species would always, just like it did in antiquity, would always seek embodiment.
00:25:53.340And it would seek an image to possess.
00:25:56.820And so to kind of break that down, in 2004, the University of Chicago created this Zincurli expedition, sent a group of archaeologists in northern Turkey.
00:26:06.840They excavated what's called the Katamua inscription.
00:26:27.820And so here's what I believe is the beginning of Necronetics, where the species of ghosts or these people literally wanted to inhabit images.
00:26:38.620And so, anyways, I tend to ramble on my friends, and so just stop me whenever.
00:27:36.740Like, I've had cases, specifically in Incubi literature, in my own career, where people, like a woman, will be thinking she's copulating with her husband.
00:27:47.340And I think Paul, Paul mentioned that.
00:27:52.640And so this kind of, it gets deeper than deep here, guys.
00:27:55.200But whatever we're dealing with, again, it seems to be performing ritual magic in order to replicate its own kind.
00:28:03.000That's the definition of fornication, right?
00:28:05.580It's like a, it's a spiritual sexualization, right?
00:28:08.200You know what, brother, the most disturbing aspect about this is that the literature tells us over and over again that Incubi victims did not even know what they were copulating with.
00:30:39.320I felt bad for reading it to the audience because it was so morally debased.
00:30:44.600I feel bad for the guy, too, because he was under no illusions.
00:30:48.100He knew that this was, you know, morally bankrupt behavior and the implication of it could be huge.
00:30:55.220And, you know, that's why he wrote in anonymously.
00:30:58.180But, yeah, I mean, it was a rough read.
00:31:01.600That is tough, and I sympathize with you guys.
00:31:05.280Like I told you in the green room, even the research I'm doing now, it's getting to the point where I'm distancing myself from other researchers.
00:31:12.960Not because I don't love them or love their work, but, like, it's happened to myself.
00:31:18.980It's happened to some of my friends in England where they were, like, it's very Fitzgerald, Steve Mayer.
00:31:23.800They're doing the same research on Mesopotamian magic and demonology.
00:31:27.660And the phenomenon is literally materializing in their homes.
00:31:37.560I think, and this is another pathology that's worth researching.
00:31:42.380And so let's just take the theory at hand and say, okay, if they are performing rituals on experiencers, and it has to do with hybridism, which it does,
00:31:51.860sigilization and sperm cells, that is literally always, always practitioners creating a hybrid child or a familiar or, in necronetics, an avatar in which to inhabit.
00:32:25.680That we have to pay attention to not just the ritual itself, but how far these practitioners are willing to go to fulfill their role.
00:32:35.620What I'm collecting evidence of now is that even, like, if these entities cannot merge their old memory, where's the camera, old memory with new matter, like, once they hover over the female and they had so many hurt with the fetus, if they can't place their consciousness in that fetus, that fetus dies.
00:32:56.380And, my friend, this is fascinating, as deeply dark, obviously.
00:33:00.460But if it dies, even the way they dispatch of it is ritualistic.
00:33:09.080We're talking, literally, we're talking about experiencers who, if and when they remember, right, having the child in their bathroom, they place it in a glass jar, like a homunculus, and bury it in the woods.
00:33:30.260No, no, no, no, no, because one time I was in the woods, and one time I dug up a glass jar, and then I smashed the jar open, and it was a chunk of flesh wrapped in a cloth with some herbs and shit.
00:33:46.080And, yeah, I probably shouldn't have touched that.
00:33:56.960I mean, to use one of Dr. Turner's phrases, we only know because people are remembering.
00:34:01.800Yeah, and with this specific case study, this woman, like, had to go through memory regression, and finally she realized, oh, my God, I was bleeding excessively.
00:34:12.900And the crazy thing is, the phenomenon had hacked her free will, but even, like, literally, it was manipulating her to fulfill the end of the ritual, which, when you get into the Libra Vecan, you get into the Humunculi research, you see that one of their rituals, again, is to place that entity into a jar and bury it.
00:34:36.220So, my point here is that, at one time in my research, I was like, man, I hope this isn't true, but literally, from beginning to end, these entities are making sure that the rituals they're performing come all the way down to, it's successful, it's successful.
00:34:56.360If it's not, it still follows an evolution of order here.
00:35:00.820Do you think, do you think that we're seeing this, Top and I have been, you know, through our research, one of the topics that comes up over and over again is this concept of trying to bring back, I guess, the disembodied spirit of Nimrod.
00:35:15.100And that plugs into this whole conspiracy about, you know, our own government, and I suppose Hillary Clinton looking for the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh.
00:35:26.120And that, even that terminology, resurrection chamber, right?
00:35:31.900And if you look to Egyptians and the way that they prepare their dead, there seems to be a real effort to preserve the genetic material.
00:35:41.440For what, I mean, you can only speculate, but, you know, nowadays, if we really did find the resurrection chamber of Gilgamesh, and we had some sort of, you know, ability to bring back if Gilgamesh truly is Nimrod.
00:35:51.860Well, yeah, we just did a dire wolf, right?
00:36:03.320So, I do believe, and this is unnerving for me to kind of disclose this, but I do believe that in the earth, we have embodied necromancers that have survived a long, long term.
00:36:31.720Well, yeah, if you look at the way the phenomenon is seeding us with technology, it's not designed for us.
00:36:39.140It's designed for practitioners, specifically practitioners.
00:36:42.420Rencher Bandarick, who came forward from, I think at Lockheed Martin in Skunk Works, said that 40 years ago, he was out in fields where the phenomenon was giving us technology.
00:36:52.320And he said that once he touched it, if you held it in your hand, if it did not agree with you, it would deconstruct into dust.
00:36:59.700So his, the implication is terrifying.
00:37:05.000But his conclusion was that there is something out there that's manipulating our species.
00:37:11.220Well, you take that and you take, okay, you see people like Bledsy, you see other people that the phenomenon is grooming.
00:37:18.140They're taking nanotechnology, literally, placing it in their hands, looking back at the phenomenon and saying, okay, is this the one?
00:37:24.700So in my opinion, it appears that the nanotechnology we're being seeded with, it's not for Joe Schmo, it's not for me, it's literally designed for practitioners.
00:37:39.580And so our government is searching for those practitioners in the earth.
00:38:24.920Years ago, I did a lecture on what's called the Apocrypha of John, the Long Codex 2, in the Apocrypha of John and the Anagamani text.
00:38:33.740And anyways, they described a unique pathology that I thought was just, okay, you know, one-off or something.
00:38:39.020Like, okay, we'll see if this is actually happening.
00:38:40.640And that pathology had to do with the Incubi, where they hover over the victim, stare into their eyes, and they perform what's called an abstractic ritual, where they look like the husband.
00:38:52.240And again, people are like, oh, well, you know, it's all love and light.
00:39:06.280And they're staring into the eyes of this entity.
00:39:09.620And I've had cases like this in daytime, where the husband is reaching out to me saying, all my wife can tell me right now is, babe, it's hovering over me as I speak.
00:39:21.420And so my point is that in this specific sexual pathology, at the moment of insemination, it uses, again, it retracts the observer effect.
00:39:36.280And now she's staring in the eyes of another species that is now placing another species within her.
00:39:45.580And so the shape-shifting mechanism I thought was a one-off until I got to Incubi cases.
00:39:50.000Well, then after I did a lecture one night, I get an email from another host of a show who said, you've got to connect with Juliette Bryant.
00:40:01.340So he sent me a link to the interview.
00:40:04.100He said that, number one, Jeffrey Epstein was trying to self-replicate through certain victims.
00:40:10.480Number two, he was trying to clone himself.
00:40:13.900And number three, when he would perform on people and act upon them, that, and this is just throwing this out there, it's going to sound crazy, but it was manipulating their perceptions of what he looked like.
00:40:48.740And I think stuffed underneath the framework of the victimology, we're going to find people who are coming forward and saying, yeah, that's not, I mean, obviously it's evil.
00:40:59.800So that goes without saying, but there was something deeper at hand.
00:41:48.420I mean, that's a conversation I had with someone in my DMs the other day where, you know, the Testament of Ruben talks about this specific phenomenon,
00:41:56.620and it says that these entities were hacking, right, hacking the minds of the husbands as they were having sex with the wives.
00:42:04.800The pathology that we're seeing is not that.
00:42:09.120And now we've got to delve into what possession really is.
00:42:14.500You know, in one of Malachi Martin's books, he talks about a serial killer in Japan who, when they finally cornered him in a barn one night,
00:42:24.140they're staring at him, and that he was so possessed, the entity was siphoning almost literally his life,
00:42:31.320and he's turning into an old man in front of the police department.
00:42:35.200They're looking at this guy, and he's just turning into an old man.
00:42:39.340And so there is some kind of physiognomy employed here where it's not just the observer effect.
00:42:45.280Like, with respect to the Apocrypha of John, the whole purpose of this little ritual was not just to appear as the husband
00:42:52.880and then show up as another species, but they believe, and this is echoed in biblical literature in antiquity,
00:42:59.760where whatever image the woman was focused upon at the moment of conception, she will materialize in her womb as a fetus.
00:43:24.400And so what I'm now looking at in Necronetics is, is there a correlation between the apparition that's hovering over
00:43:32.700and the hybrids that they're hatching?
00:43:36.180If there is, and I do believe there is, then now what we're looking at are apparitions that are looking for biological avatars,
00:43:43.240where now you literally have the true father inhabiting the son.
00:43:47.060And so as long as it can continue replicating, it can rehabilitate its disability of being, which was throughout history, being without being, a being.
00:44:09.620Well, I kind of want to bring it back a little bit, Nathan, to what you were talking about earlier with this technology
00:44:14.280and this, you know, it looking for a suitable user, I suppose.
00:44:21.400We talk about, on Nephilim Death Squad, very often it seems that these lowercase g gods, these fallen angels that were, you know,
00:44:29.160members of pantheons of ancient civilizations, are often attributed for having brought them some form of technology.
00:44:37.300You know, in the beginning it's sort of agriculture and things like that, metallurgy.
00:44:41.480And then eventually it gets more and more advanced.
00:44:43.520And if you look at the UAP phenomenon, there's a very similar narrative there where maybe they're not giving it to us, allegedly,
00:44:50.820although that's part of the conspiracy narrative, too, is the UFOs have been giving us or the aliens have been giving us tech.
00:44:55.740But at the very least, you can say a more accepted argument is we've recovered tech from them and then reverse engineered it.
00:45:03.780Also, you have the phenomenon in the DMT experience where these machine elves or these DMT entities will impart on you knowledge that seems incredibly advanced, incredibly important.
00:45:17.220But, of course, you don't remember it when you come back.
00:48:28.240This is one thing that I can talk about.
00:48:30.440But he's building quantum computers in order to conjure living organisms that, in hopes, with hopes, that when they get here,
00:48:41.440that they will make us in their image because we can, here's his philosophy, we can no longer trust our own species.
00:48:49.020So we have to merge, and it's called transhumanism.
00:48:51.980Now we have to merge their technology with our bodies.
00:48:56.780And I do believe that, and this may also be occurring, because I do have people in the field that have told me that it seems like angels are giving us technology,
00:49:07.040and then there's demons giving us technology, and hoping that we'll kind of weaponize it ourselves and then go to war.
00:49:13.220I think it's a little more sinister, and that is that, yes, behind the scenes, behind Musk, even behind Geordie Rose,
00:49:23.520that there are factions within our government, even in private companies, that are building supercomputers that are almost like a Ouija board.
00:49:33.940That's how they were described, to where they are a quantum Ouija.
00:53:06.480You know, even down to some of the shapes of UAP, and this is just something I've been toying with, it's almost as if they're in the shapes of burial grounds.
00:53:21.540And through archaeology and anthropology, we've seen this.
00:53:26.280Like, OK, well, yeah, that's a triangle.
00:53:28.980And I don't want to go too deep in that.
00:53:30.800But whatever we're dealing with, at least in biblical antiquity, the earliest form of incarnation was that these were recently deceased people.
00:53:42.120And even in, I have a paper with me in my library called The Dead and Their Images, where they kind of, these scholars kind of set up the argument as to whether these are demons, as we were taught in Greek mythology, or if they're unclean spirits.
00:54:12.640It's called the open vessel law in the book of Numbers.
00:54:16.000The author talks about when a man goes into a house and there is a corpse in that house.
00:54:22.000That it's called, it's the open vessel law, essentially, that everything in the house becomes contaminated with the consciousness that left that corpse.
00:54:31.940And so what they would do is they would hurry up and take all the vessels and put lids on them, hoping that the consciousness that left that corpse would not defile all of the open vessels.
00:54:44.600And so in an effort to cleanse that house from corpse pollution, they would go through the rite of exorcism.
00:54:55.040Now, what that does is it places possession in the context, not of horns and hooves, but possession in the context of us.
00:55:03.140We become the open vessel to which that consciousness now possesses.
00:55:07.600And so in order, right, to reclaim our autonomy and dispatch that entity to cleanse us from corpse pollution, we have to go through the rite of exorcism.
00:55:20.580So that's why the argument is still going on.
00:55:24.080That's a fascinating one, because in this discussion of the supernatural, it's always difficult to understand where to place the idea of ghosts.
00:55:31.580I guess, like, would that be, that's kind of what we're talking about, right?
00:55:34.800Yeah, so, yeah, in that liminal existence of what, so, so, okay, in Hebrew mythology, there was a difference, obviously, between Rephaim and Elohim.
00:55:44.960All Elohim are Rephaim, in a sense, or at least Elohim, let's say, in the context of the Witch of Endor, right?
00:56:06.200And so that's why, and people get confused, especially in the religious circles, where they, okay, in the Ugaritic rituals, Rephaim, from which Hebrew theology gets the Rephaim, Rephaim was always deceased ancestors.
00:56:19.680It was centered around the ancestral cult.
00:56:22.380And so when you have the Hebrew authors referring to Rephaim, it wasn't just the Nephilim who died.
00:56:35.980And again, it's getting murdered in the field because there's not a lot of people that can actually sit down, okay, you know, push back on these narratives.
00:56:43.840But this is, it's important because when you start looking at ancient demonology specifically, like one of the, it's not really as ancient as I like, but in the Perkei of Vo with Rabbi Eliezer, he brings up, he's a Jewish sage.
00:56:55.820He brings this up and he says, it's almost like some people die and become demons.
00:57:06.240Now the real issue in linguistics, and this is going to be a game changer.
00:57:10.900This was for me, is that if it is tied to an ancestral cult, then now we would start to ask ourselves why Yahweh forbid discuss or, you know, conversing with the dead.
00:58:09.420In that text of Witch of Endor is a hay-patched phenomenon where the authors did not know how to frame her.
00:58:16.260In the Hebrew, she's called a Ma'alat Ouv.
00:58:21.200Now, this is important because I believe this is the very first hybrid mother in history.
00:58:25.560She is called the mistress of the image of the dead.
00:58:30.600Well, yeah, they're saying here, I did a quick research, likely a Canaanite-style necromancer is the first thing that they're classifying her as.
00:59:37.520Number two, it is a device that the medium would place in her mouth, and the phenomenon would amplify its voice in the surrounding area.
00:59:47.180So, it's a device of amplification, and it's the material image of the entity.
00:59:53.880Thirdly, now we start to see the nuance and aspect of possession and pregnancy take place.
00:59:58.800The third definition is that it's the entity itself.
01:00:02.500So, I don't believe the phenomenon is horizontal in this.
01:00:05.840I believe what these beings were doing is creating oeuvre within the womb to where it is a fetus that amplifies its consciousness in this dimension.
01:00:14.040It is a device that it can speak through.
01:00:16.240It is the material image of the entity, and it is the entity possessing it.
01:00:20.820Can we go back to something I wanted to ask you, Nate?
01:01:08.820You know, nuts and bolts-wise, logistically, I understand what they're saying, but my question is, if these things are so powerful, they can treat us like ants, it's in our best interest to merge with them.
01:01:17.100I'm not saying that that's what you're saying, Nathan.
01:01:18.700I'm just saying, let's entertain that hypothetical.
01:01:22.920Why, then, is it such a difficult and elongated task where they need us to create for them, and why is our consent such a fundamental part of this?
01:01:33.120It seems that they are, in very many ways, handcuffed.
01:02:19.320In demonology, specifically Montague Summers, this is going to be a game-changer for many who are into this research right now.
01:02:25.640Montague Summers was documenting phenomena hovering over recently deceased men in graveyards.
01:02:32.680And then going back to grimwires and looking at the fact that the ritual required semen from recently deceased men.
01:02:42.800So, the phenomenon was working hand-in-hand with the practitioners.
01:02:46.120So, there's an overarching proto-intelligence, right, that they're in communication with.
01:02:51.080We would call it consciousness or something that they work with.
01:02:55.460And so, there are certain rules and laws that they follow.
01:02:58.000Now, to kind of go deeper here, some of the research that very first, Cheryl and I, like, not doing it together, essentially, but doing the same research and then kind of touching base on it, that there's a difference between the manifestation and the incarnation of the phenomenon.
01:03:14.320So, again, where I have cases where the phenomenon, if it's perceived from the peripheral, it's different than what it is when it interfaces with you.
01:03:24.260Did you know the Skywalker, the Skywalker, watcher, rather, group, that what they're realizing is what they're seeing with their eye is completely different than what they're capturing with the camera?
01:03:39.920So, my point here is that the phenomenon itself is helping these practitioners modify their appearance in our eyes and fulfill their rituals.
01:03:49.940And so, there is this kind of umbrella, and that's why I call it the ritual doctrine of non-corporal conception, because they are following ritualistic rules.
01:04:03.580Unfortunately, like I said, the difference between manifestation and incarnation, when we perceive it, our mind is not quick enough to see it shaping itself into the archetype.
01:04:18.080But there's a learning matrix employed, like that case study I've had with the experiencer who was being taken as a child, and the entity would manifest, again, pulling from the proto-intelligence and her mind itself, this image of her favorite cartoon.
01:04:33.440And she said that after, this is fascinating, that for years, they never came back forward, but one day they did, and that it was trying to hold its image of the cartoon, right?
01:04:45.220Using the observer effect, what do you want me to be?
01:04:51.720But what do you want me to look like so I can bypass your human behavior and moderate it in my likeness?
01:04:59.060And so, again, the learning matrix is there, and so she's interfacing.
01:05:01.740I call these interface events, and the entity is trying to hold its form.
01:05:05.800Now, this is profound because it touches on your point.
01:05:08.560And she said that once it realized that I didn't really buy into the incarnation of the phenomenon, its eyes started moving back and forth, and it got real close to her.
01:05:22.820And she said, Nathaniel, the only way I can explain it is that it was measuring my belief in the image.
01:05:30.720And so my point here is believing in that image it presents empowers the proto-intelligence behind it.
01:05:55.520I wonder, then, if that is such a dangerous thing that these things can inhabit an archetype and we can believe it, if maybe that is the real issue with, like, images of God or taking idols and things like that.
01:06:20.000Without a group of dumbasses who continually interface with them and do ritual on their behalf, that these things would be incredibly restricted in the amount that they could even interact with us.
01:08:08.500And so what she said, what it essentially did was it manifested as a husband to her and then manifested through her to agree with the image.
01:08:19.880And so after the stupor lifted, that's when her memory was replaced and she turned back to her side and her husband was actually asleep next to her.
01:08:28.060So it had actually put her in a stupor, put her husband asleep.
01:08:31.360And so my point here is that the data set tells us, at least, that we only have a portion of time when it incarnates to fight back.
01:08:42.880Beyond that, the phenomenon has proven the ability to manipulate our awareness to the point that we are no longer in control.
01:08:51.060And this really highlights the actual logistical dangers of ancestor worship.
01:09:03.080And to whatever degree, you know, they exist in this dimension or this realm where they can observe and they can influence, but they can't physically interact.
01:09:13.420But that means that if you can't physically react and you've got all the time, whatever time is for them, in the world, then all you're doing is data chunking.
01:09:23.900You're just taking in information, the most intimate information you possibly can on this person, their loved ones, what makes them tick, how they're vulnerable, what they're emotionally subjectable to.
01:09:35.960Yeah, it's a it's a it's fucking really dangerous.
01:09:39.640Yeah, it's increasingly dangerous and exceedingly at that.
01:10:39.860You know, they might even be lowercase g gods.
01:10:42.560When you look at them, they're going to be fantastic.
01:10:44.100But like if you don't understand what they are and the church has done a miserable job of like covering this and explaining these these core concepts of the religion to this materialistic paradigm, especially here in the West.
01:10:58.680And that paradigm has no place for the supernatural.
01:11:03.240And so we live in a society where they're telling you it doesn't exist.
01:11:06.880And then when you have an undeniable experience that just by by nature of it being something that's not supposed to exist, that there's a human proclivity to jump from amazement to conviction or worship.
01:11:21.460But but to be convicted in the sense that this is the truth, this thing that you've experienced is definitively true in the way that you perceive it to be.
01:11:28.400And that is it's like you're primed for that type of experience, for falling for that when you're told that this kind of shit doesn't doesn't exist at all.
01:11:38.940And then all of a sudden you're tangling with it.
01:11:42.360You're being groomed by something that to this day, our brightest scholars in academia are still unable to quantify.
01:11:50.860That's why, my friends, that even the Hebrew authors, when they did refer right specific to this necromancer, the way the Hebrew letters were constructed and the way it was phrased, it's the one off.
01:12:03.340We don't even know what she is because we don't even know who she's in contact with.
01:12:08.420And so, yeah, they were literally groping in the darkness.
01:12:10.960And so if we're two or three thousand years removed and we still know, like, very little about who they are, then I'm telling you, at least from my perspective, it's all I have is pathology.
01:12:23.260And that's why it's like the research that I'm doing is leveraging.
01:12:29.500Like, I don't I don't have relationships.
01:12:31.660I don't have, you know, I'm close to my family.
01:12:34.840And if it gets too dark, like recently, I just started disconnecting myself from researchers, which I will reconnect back with them, of course, when it starts to cool off.
01:12:45.220But, yeah, we didn't even know how to quantify it.
01:12:47.860And so the best way they could was that, number one, because of where they exist or the knowledge that they're pulling from, they do appear to be in the afterlife.
01:12:56.780And because of the ritual nature of their pathology, they do appear to be performing ceremonial magic on individuals.
01:13:03.160But we still don't understand fully what's going on here.
01:14:26.260And people like that, we have to protect because the phenomenon will go after them.
01:14:32.500And that's what I'm really worried about.
01:14:33.880And I think I've stressed that in the past, where – because specifically, and I mean this with all sincerity, the purity of the research is there.
01:14:44.480And in this field, we do not have that often.
01:14:46.760We have people that sign contracts with others, and they have to promote one narrative over the other.
01:14:51.620It's very rare that we have somebody who is unique as Fringe.
01:14:56.420And I think that – I pray for her a lot.
01:15:56.240So what happens is at the end of the experiment, what these group of psychologists did is they told them, oh, yeah, there's supposed to be this big calamity coming.
01:16:05.040Have you guys heard this from your abductors and everything?
01:16:09.120Oh, yeah, our guides told us that there's this massive shift coming, and we need to be prepared for it.
01:16:19.940And so what was happening was these experiencers are going back to the guides, and the guides are, oh, yeah, they're right, absolutely, yeah.
01:16:34.000And so at the very end of it, they go back and they say, oh, my God, you know, the day that it was supposed to happen came and went and nothing occurred.
01:16:55.660So there's always been this idea of, you know, the end of days, right, the eschatological aspect of it, where they claim that some event's on the horizon, and it never shows up.
01:17:10.720It seems to be counterproductive to them because it's like they're commissioning us to build all this technology, and that's an elongated process, and certainly there's a goal at the end of that, I would imagine.
01:17:19.140But if you keep telling people that the world's going to end, well, what incentive then is there for this inventor to, you know, punch a dimensional gateway into your fucking realm?
01:17:27.140Dave, have you ever met somebody that's perpetually full of shit that, like, just can't stop lying anyway?
01:17:33.660And you're like, why did you lie about that?
01:17:35.680Like, that was, I already sort of believed you, but you just went the extra mile to, it seems like that's what these guys are.
01:17:42.060It's like, I want you to build this technology.
01:17:43.760It's going to take a long time, and future generations are going to get it done.
01:17:46.360You're probably never going to see the fruits of your labor.
01:17:48.020By the way, it's all going to end soon.
01:17:50.300You're going to get your poles shifted, and you're going to get tsunamied to death, and the earth is going to split open and swallow you whole.
01:17:55.360And it's like, I don't know if I have time to make your fucking beam to punch a dimensional gateway.
01:18:02.320I don't know if I have time to do that.
01:18:05.100It's a strange thing because there are those who are doing research who claim to be able to display one way or another that we've experienced pole shifts in the past.
01:18:14.320And then, of course, you have the whole Nibiru narrative and what a celestial body like that would do if it came into proximity with our solar system.
01:18:24.300And so you have, like, this kind of pseudo-historical evidence for it, and you have some science based around the concept.
01:18:31.920And then there are people today who are observing the earth's magnetosphere and determining that magnetic north and magnetic south have deviated substantially.
01:18:40.240And so all these things are kind of giving that breath.
01:18:42.840You know, they're pumping it up a little bit.
01:19:16.740I'm going to go down a little rabbit hole here again.
01:19:21.960And it's Philip, and Philip knows everything.
01:19:24.100Matter of fact, young lady, I was watching you last night when you wrecked your car on the way to work.
01:19:28.900Like – so the pathology is narcissistic where I will become that archetype, and then I will inhabit it, and then I'm going to prove to you what I know, and then I'm going to want something from you.
01:19:41.140So, you know, it gets back to, like, my buddies, Barry and Steve, they just released – it was an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, and they're working with the psychic medium, and this entity named Becky was in contact with the medium.
01:19:57.580And they told me about this in England, so I had to kind of keep it hush-hush until the episode was released, but now I can talk about it freely.
01:20:03.500And they were testing it, and Becky would know, like, oh, you know, hey, Steve, how was your bath last night?
01:20:08.060Or, you know, five minutes later, hey, this guy's on the phone.
01:20:11.560Oh, Becky wants to know how your bath was.
01:20:13.260And weird, weird, weird stuff, you know.
01:20:15.600And one day, he tested it and said, okay, here's a watch.
01:21:06.480It's almost like that they are thought forms, but they're also the entity forming the thought that becomes the thought form in seances.
01:21:14.700So my point here, guys, is that what we're looking at is that they do sense – they do – I can go into another case study where these entities told Barry and Steve, you're going to go to a paranormal conference in France.
01:21:44.140Well, it's in August, and it's in Paris, France.
01:21:47.440So in their work called Project Doorway, they've tested some of these entities, and they have at least a knowledge of at least the future up to 12 months.
01:21:57.040But what seems to be interwoven in there, and this is what's scary, again, is that there are some entities that want to make you think they have knowledge.
01:22:25.040It's actually doing something very pathological to us, and we just don't understand it.
01:22:29.220That phenomenon of clairvoyance, too, or future sight or whatever you'd like to call it does manifest itself in schizophrenic patients occasionally.
01:22:38.660They'll have this momentary foresight of the immediate future, and it'll be at the behest of – or rather, they don't have the foresight.
01:22:49.980They are being told a series of events that are about to take place.
01:22:53.180They're whispered to about – one of the things that I read one time, it was a Reddit forum of I am a bipolar schizophrenic, ask me anything.
01:23:03.180And what ended up happening, instead of asking questions, the comment section got filled with schizophrenics who were just talking about their experiences.
01:23:11.440And one of the highest-rated ones was a man talking about how these things have the ability of precognition to sometimes what seems to be almost an inconsequential level.
01:23:22.960And what I mean by that is it'll say things like – his story in particular was he was on a bus one day.
01:23:28.700The voices were particularly loud and aggravating, and at some point, they all kind of synced up and just started telling him over and over again about the man with the yellow shirt, the man with the yellow shirt, over and over and over again, the man with the yellow shirt.
01:23:39.880The next bus stop pulls up, who gets on, but a man in a yellow shirt who sits directly in the open seat next to him.
01:23:46.380So their legs are effectively touching.
01:23:51.840I think even Dr. Jerry Marzinski talked about patients of his who were led to money and drugs that were otherwise obscured and hidden by the drug dealer.
01:24:03.780And they were led to, let's say, a field where they flipped over a board, and there's the guy's stash.
01:24:08.680And so all of these things that, you know, schizophrenia, the galactic federation of light, lowercase g gods, all of it, it seems to be exactly what you're saying, Nate, which is the same phenomenon just presenting itself differently.
01:24:59.900Because something is beckoning you, allowing you to believe that you have human free will.
01:25:06.420But by the time you realize what's going on, you're opening the door of a crack house, you're being handed a kilo, and now you're being set in a new direction.
01:25:17.100This is the problem, again, with the conjurer, the whole aspect of the illusion of control, right?
01:25:23.820What we're even looking at now is there seems to be a transcendent order of magic here.
01:25:30.180Okay, so my case study with the remote viewer, he was out of body when he met his guides.
01:25:35.280But when he got back into his body, they had carved religious amulets and sigils from underneath the skin to the surface.
01:28:19.640And so as I'm approaching them, the guy on the left turns to me, grins, and puts the gun in his mouth or pulls the trigger.
01:28:26.940You'd think I'd wake up, but no, the looping nightmare would just begin where it ended, right?
01:28:33.700And I would be walking up to them again, and then we'd make eye contact.
01:28:38.000He'd grin, pull the trigger, boom, back in and again, walking.
01:28:40.960And then when the phenomenon wanted me to wake up, that's when I would see this black cloud hovering in the corner of my room.
01:28:49.300And the only way I can explain it was like it was pulsating, like it had its own heartbeat, and it was feeding off of my fear.
01:28:57.520So what I had to do as a young person, and I always did this alone, I guess, because they say, you know, the tests are always taken, right?
01:29:04.520It wasn't when the teacher's on the room or something like that.
01:29:31.400I had given all of my consent over to an intelligence that is literally feeding itself through me.
01:29:38.940And so what I learned to do, I mean, I would go to sleepovers, you know, back in the day when GoldenEye was popular, and we got Cheetos, Mountain Dew.
01:31:32.800In the past, when I have done some of the darker research, that phenomenon would come back again.
01:31:40.800And I told this to another host of a show yesterday, where I've been in houses where murderers have taken place, where just before I got there, they had to cut up the carpet, where one of the victims, the husband, had a gash all the way down his body.
01:31:56.220And the murderer had broken the tip of the knife into his bone, and they didn't notice it until it's too late.
01:32:02.300So they had to actually go back in, not to be verbose and disgusting here, but they had to cut up the carpet.
01:32:07.960And I was in there as we're looking at shadow figures and orbs and the families crying, got atheists there.
01:32:30.600What's what's happening to Tony Merkel right now, and in a sense, what happened to me before we even started this show, I had no intention ever to start this, but it was the same thing.
01:32:43.020I had fled New York, moved to Florida because of COVID insanity, and about a year into being here, my wife gets deathly sick in bed for a month, didn't know what to do.
01:32:54.600And I had no aims at doing this at all.
01:35:05.540And those voices will get louder and louder until you're institutionalized or you take your own life, right?
01:35:10.440And then the other side of it is, I commission you to build this technology for me.
01:35:15.400What is the difference between those two people?
01:35:17.300Why are some of them just preyed upon until death?
01:35:20.580And why are some of them commissioned to execute their work?
01:35:24.520I think that Jack Parsons' case study kind of blends both of those individuals together where he was afraid that they were going to take his soul.
01:35:33.060And he is the creator of the JPL and basically our entire rocket program.
01:35:38.160So even then, and this is, I think, one of the more disturbing aspects of it, is even practitioners, and I'm not talking about people that are out there, oh, I'm a practitioner.
01:35:46.460No, I'm talking about people that bag our groceries that literally do their best to hide, right?
01:35:53.580And some of them, I've discovered some of them in actual churches where, you know, they claim God gave them this revelation.
01:36:04.140I mean, anyways, I guess my point here is that they seem to be in partnership with these forces, and they think that as long as they fulfill their will, or as long as they make the sacrifice, as long as they provide worship, that the phenomenon will pity them.
01:37:24.120And next thing you know, she's on the highway on the way to a Thanksgiving dinner, and somebody cuts her off or throws her husband out, kills the husband, you know?
01:37:34.520And so the lie that these people are being taught, I'm talking about even a ufology.
01:37:40.380They're building altars in their homes.
01:37:43.000The lie is, as long as I peddle the narrative, they'll take it easy on me.
01:37:49.040And I'm telling you, like, if what Geordia Rose is doing, and I know he's doing it, but if his hypothesis is anywhere near accurate,
01:37:58.160then what he's describing is a species that has merged scientism, the worship of science, with necromancy, which is ancestral worship and veneration.
01:38:13.140And he, the only thing he could quantify and even articulate at this point is the quantum computer or the Ouija board, the electronic Ouija board.
01:38:26.560He didn't really have a vocabulary for what they're trying to conjure.
01:38:30.820And what I fear the most is that if our model of the phenomenon is wrong, and if we inherited that from men who, in their humanity and sincerity, had a limited knowledge, they didn't have a background in phenomenology, right?
01:38:48.280They just had a couple of scriptures their Sunday school teacher taught them.
01:38:54.920They'd say two prayers, call me in the morning.
01:38:57.200If that is what we have to operate off of and what materializes in the earth is so transcendent than that, then we have not taught the people how to fight back.
01:39:05.800We've not educated them in a phenomenology.
01:39:08.840And perhaps more importantly, there will be another Jesus who manifests to them, and they will not know how to test it.
01:39:15.400Can I suggest that now these same people are going to AI to determine divinity in their lives?
01:39:35.800You know, and this is the profundity of the research.
01:39:41.820This is worth laying the life down and saying, guys, look, I've got to bridge the gap here.
01:39:48.400Because my fear, and this is, again, why I've had to separate myself from researchers for a period of time, because I have to get this information.
01:39:57.440I have to, number one, understand it, articulate it.
01:40:00.500That way, when I come back into the field, I can say, guys, this is what I think we're dealing with.
01:40:06.820It's for the next generation of experiencers who, in the event of the abduction, will go back to Geordie Rose's quantum AI and quantum computers.
01:40:15.580And just like the guides, who, by the way, I'll go into this, and I'll kind of tie it into Geordie Rose's hypothesis here.
01:40:24.000What we're seeing here, it appears, again, it's not just the observer effect where we're collapsing various forms of the same entities.
01:40:33.000But now what we're looking at are the archetypes conversing with each other in real time, where we have abductees who believe that they are in contact with their guides.
01:40:43.960And then when they're abducted and bad, sinister things are done to them, they go back to the guides.
01:40:54.520It's malevolent, sinister, but it's one of two things.
01:40:57.300Either the guides reinterpret the unspeakable horror they experienced, say things like, well, it was done to you because it was done for you.
01:41:10.080We've got sigils all over your body because you're special.
01:41:12.880You know, either that's happening, and we're seeing that in real time, and it's what makes me so angry about ufology, where there's one researcher who, like, people are like, this one woman's like, you know, they did really bad things to me.
01:41:25.220And he's like, well, yeah, but, you know, you need to go channel south.
01:41:28.880So what we're looking at, again, is now that we've acknowledged the observer effect collapsing various forms of the same entities, now what he's, I guess, advising people to do is to go ask the entity.
01:41:59.400I swear, they don't even watch the show.
01:42:01.480They just say, like, racial slurs in the chat.
01:42:03.780But, no, I think that that does make a lot of sense, and I think that people, it's a really convenient thing to go, hey, these things are forcibly capable.
01:42:12.880They're kidnapping you in the middle of the night.
01:42:17.900You're taking, in some cases, a pregnancy to whatever term, and then the pregnancy is stripped from you.
01:42:23.900And then sometimes later on in the life, these women are forced to see their hybrid children in some traumatic fashion, and how do you alleviate that?
01:42:33.760The same way they've been doing it the entire time, they rebrand.
01:42:38.020The woman you're talking about, was that Carla Ruckert that, like, channeled Seth?
01:42:50.280Yeah, because she's another one who is, like, it seems like she's channeling the nine in the law of one, ends up channeling Seth, and goes through some ritual sexual abuse or sexual magic.
01:43:03.460Now, in the lecture that I did at The Awakening about over a year ago now, The Awakening UK, it was called Molters, the host, the hybrid, and the copy.
01:43:14.620And I went into how these entities are creating replicas of life or similages of their existence in order to, again, further their existence.
01:43:24.440But in it, I describe what I believe the phenomenon to be at least as an allegory or a way to understand it.
01:43:32.840The phenomenon evolves according to our awareness of it.
01:44:07.380This is, this is the phenomenon, the difference between the phenomenon manifesting, that's the proto-intelligence, and then the phenomenon incarnating, and that's the spider.
01:44:16.280So here, what we have is a spider, a snake.
01:45:04.600Oh, that's my dear, my dear ancestor, my dear Edna.
01:45:08.180And so it dive bombs in, and when it latches on to the spider, there's a sharing of information from the tip of the tail to the head of the snake.
01:45:21.900And the proto-intelligence emerges from the shadows, takes off the archetypal mask, and now we're interfacing with a species we didn't even know existed.
01:45:31.900And we definitely don't know the rules of engagement.
01:46:39.280And the reason I say that is because the deception they have to deploy in order to operate and how much they rely on our consent and interaction with them almost suggests that without those things, they ain't shit.
01:46:52.100They really can't do much of anything at all.
01:46:54.640And I don't know about you, but when it comes to an adversary, one that is constantly making an effort to change forms and deceive you tells you that without that function, it's almost like it's not much of a threat.
01:47:11.600It's the idea of that when Satan is casted out before the people, they'll look upon him and go like, damn, that's fucking what we were all.
01:47:18.420Yeah, yeah, that's what my mind went to, yeah.
01:47:20.540Yeah, it's also this idea of, so Joe and Franco, he was on Blurry Creatures recently.
01:47:28.860He's a dude from the telepathy tapes that, yeah, I think he's like a minister, but he was talking about his experience in India where these people were keenly aware of the gods that they venerate.
01:47:40.380And he asked them, he's like, hey, why do you do that?
01:47:43.340And they said, oh, we do to keep them off of us.
01:47:44.840And that is not, it's like, it's not the right answer.
01:47:49.760That's why India is covered in human feces.
01:47:53.560But then also to say, not to like, you know, crap on your narrative, David, but these things are quite dangerous.
01:48:02.260But it's like, only if their deception holds up.
01:48:05.500The second it starts to come apart, then the danger is gone.
01:48:08.220You know, it's even like, you listen to these, and let's not even go into the whole casting them out in the name of Jesus, because there are,
01:48:17.420Well, could that, could that be like a human form that you were talking about, Nathaniel?
01:48:21.260Maybe, but what I'm getting at is that outside of that, dismissing them in the name of Jesus or casting them out in the name of Jesus,
01:48:27.940you will often hear other stories like, oh, I was visited by like people who aren't religious.
01:48:32.960I was visited by a ghost and the ghost kept showing up over and over again.
01:48:36.640And eventually I just asked it to leave.
01:48:39.040And whether or not you believe that that ghost left, to that individual, perceivably speaking, it left.
01:48:44.660And so whatever actually happened there, even if it's laying in the cut and waiting to come back in some nefarious way because you actually didn't get it,
01:48:50.880which is very possible, it still needs to do a song and dance.
01:48:55.240It's not this omnipresent, incredibly powerful thing that can, it needs to, it's like, let's say it is deceiving you and it's going to go away temporarily.
01:49:05.580It sees you as, what would be the word?
01:49:10.540It sees you as a worthy enough opponent that it needs to deceive you.
01:50:49.060Where, okay, yeah, this works, this works.
01:50:50.760So then they're employed and the phenomenon sometimes even gets stronger.
01:50:53.580But to your point about the rules, you know, they're, they're, even in incubate literature, there was one case study where, first of all, if we can believe them, right?
01:51:03.700There was this one case study where it was a newlywed couple who go, you know, on the honeymoon and they consummate their marriage.
01:51:12.700After the immediate consummation, boom, entity materializes.
01:51:17.660Now, here's where we get to the pathology of possession.
01:52:40.000Well, if you asked, uh, Juan Ayala of the one-on-one podcast, he would say, uh, it's, it's the portal through which the homunculus is birthed.
01:52:47.240Yes, it's quite crude, but they're, they're doing this stuff.
01:52:50.460And we are, like, I don't know, we're, the funny thing is the culture dabbles in it, right?
01:52:55.500Like, like, we love, just recently it was a whole, you know, what, this episode's going off the rails, the whole ass-eating phase.
01:53:01.220And I was like, what are we even doing, guys?
01:53:12.880I wish somebody would have told me this when, like, like, you know, but in the church, my parents' best explanation, like, why you shouldn't have sex before marriage is like, it's, it's a sin.
01:53:29.160It's because there is a significance to this ritual that you're doing with somebody that you love, you don't love, that you don't even know.
01:53:37.400Yeah, you're touching on something here.
01:53:39.760It's, it's that, okay, like, getting back to that case study where they interrogated the entity after it possessed the, the wife.
01:53:47.560And in the interrogation, this, again, this implies rules if we believe them.
01:53:52.900But they said, why didn't you do this to her prior to, you know, her getting married and consummating?
01:54:01.900He said, because we were forbidden to touch her until she's been touched.
01:54:07.340Now, my friends, this follows the line of thought into abuse.
01:57:46.360And I'm like, there is something to that.
01:57:47.940That story is prevalent in this community.
01:57:50.140They used to have psychological studies that showed upwards of 60% to 70% of gay-identifying males also suffered some sort of childhood trauma of a sexual variety.
01:58:01.180And then they stopped doing those studies.
01:58:03.340So that's not really a point of research anymore.
01:58:06.160But yeah, I mean, it's like trauma is the gateway.
01:58:09.400If they can first get you there, they've got you vulnerable, and then they've got an anchor to latch on to, whether it's the person who traumatized you or something like that.
01:58:17.740And they've got an inn that they can enter.
01:58:34.460This is where, again, that the Hebrew authors, they kind of got the concept of the ghost god.
01:58:40.120And it's from the Atreus epic where it's the ghost of man is made from the flesh of a god.
01:58:43.560And so it's that liminal existence, okay?
01:58:48.220That's really what I'm trying to articulate.
01:58:50.120And I believe that's what our ancestors were trying to describe is that whatever that species is, we don't really have a way to articulate them.
02:00:37.300And this is something that French and I talked about a long time ago, not a long time ago, but a while ago, where trying to understand why it doesn't work.
02:00:45.240You know, even in like some of the research my friends are doing in the UK, we had a conversation where he, my friend was like, yeah, he's like, it was the most devoted that were the most haunted.
02:00:55.740And we can kind of internalize that specifically in religiosity.
02:02:36.360And it's like that's not really what's going on.
02:02:41.140It's like I'm trying to gather, you know, the rules of this spiritual realm, the rules of engagement.
02:02:46.480And it seems sometimes that, you know, they're giving you this rudimentary like say these prayers and be done with it.
02:02:54.600But it seems like the reason they have access to you in the first place might be the problem, meaning there might be a bit of legalese as to why they are able to interact with you.
02:03:06.600And maybe until you address that, you know, and you're talking about this childhood trauma or trauma of any sort and, you know, going through therapy and things like that, maybe until you address that thing that has given them legal rights over you, it's not going to be that simple.
02:03:22.760It's something that I spoke with Fringe about.
02:03:24.900Again, it's like so like we're saying here, it's like I agree with you completely that the church has been I don't want to call it a failure.
02:03:32.260Actually, I will call it a failure in its current state.
02:03:34.680Mostly what it is, is it has failed to prepare us and it's failed in a bunch of different ways.
02:03:39.680But what I brought up to Fringe was the idea of baptism because she says she hasn't been baptized.
02:03:45.700And that's a ritual that has to do with water, purification.
02:03:49.820And there's something significant with like regular, regular clear water, not brackish water.
02:03:57.020Like it seems like brackish water is used to trap entities at the bottom of the ocean.
02:04:00.240But regular clear water was used for this idea of almost an exorcism.
02:05:02.160And the idea, again, it's, it's a reference to the Egyptian soul, the Ba'a soul.
02:05:07.200Do you think, do you think these entities can, because there's an idea of selling your soul and without, without any like knowledge, like, like solid knowledge about it, I get the inclination that you cannot sell your soul.
02:05:19.580It doesn't seem like it belongs, it's ours, but it does not belong to us.
02:05:22.760But trapping it is something that seems like maybe they could keep you in a spot for a little while.
02:05:51.500Here's some of the, like, the fringe, not the fringe areas of the research.
02:05:58.460We have case studies where, like, Whitley Streber was abducted and in his encounter, they're taking fingernails samples and cutting his fingernails.
02:06:08.700And he's asking them, why are you doing this?
02:06:10.640And they said, we're going to be making another you.
02:06:13.800We have cases, like one of which Dr. Carla Turner had, where the lady is abducted and they're threatening her.
02:06:21.240Like, listen, if you don't do what we want you to do, we're going to do something to you.
02:06:26.640And they said, okay, what are you going to do?
02:06:27.860And they pointed at the corner of the room and there's another body of her, another clone of her.
02:06:33.460And they said, you know, if you don't do what we want you to do, we'll kill you and we'll send that back and nobody will know the difference.
02:06:40.640So, I would suggest, and this is very deep and dark, that not everybody who's returned actually made it back.
02:07:00.200So, I mean, once again, that just stems into so much, right?
02:07:03.940Because we sit now in a space in the conspiracy world where cloning and these underground facilities or potential underground facilities, cloning facilities exist.
02:07:15.720And, yeah, Kanye potentially having been cloned.
02:07:19.020And then, of course, you have the IVF program.
02:07:24.580Because we know that Elon Musk is using IVF after he lost his first baby.
02:07:29.040That's the excuse for creating these designer babies.
02:07:31.620But Donald Trump is proposing legislation to make IVF not just affordable but almost like government funded.
02:07:37.880And with that comes this idea of when the eggs are taken from the woman after the retrieval process, they're then frozen until they're inseminated with the sperm.
02:07:47.920But when they're frozen, they cost money to store.
02:07:50.760And if you can't afford IVF in general, you're not going to be able to afford this yearly month or whatever payment to freeze these eggs.
02:10:10.760It's actually something else in the wings hiding behind that sort of straw man that you're interacting with.
02:10:15.700You know, David, you've said multiple times, Daniel, that you're like you separate yourself from other researchers as you do this because you don't want them to get these attachments.
02:10:25.560And I've thought about this as I do this show.
02:10:27.340I was like, we're presenting crazy information to these people that some some of it could be probably not true.
02:10:36.380And I'm like, am I opening the door to these people to be visited or to have and and I was I was a little hesitant at first when I'm like, no, man, this door has been kicked open since COVID.
02:12:00.840It seems like there's been an uptick in this supernatural experience that people are bumping into.
02:12:06.220And if that's true, if there is a trend upward, if the veil is thinning, if supernatural events are taking place more often than they were previously.
02:12:15.120Well, then it's more important now than maybe ever to understand this other realm that does exist and influences our own physical realm to a degree that we can't even begin to imagine.