Nephilim Death Squad - 161： Cyprian’s Journey Through the Abyss

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00:01:12.540 Top laughs of productions.

00:01:13.800 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:01:23.020 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:01:27.560 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:35.240 And the chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely normal.

00:01:42.160 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:01:43.480 There's some Nephilim shit.

00:01:44.700 It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the grave.

00:01:50.160 They controlling this now, and no one's talking about how they made a spot to be slaves.

00:01:55.240 And everybody's just walking around, heading to clouds and want to wake up to a dead in the grave.

00:02:00.460 But then it's too late, we need to be ready to raise up.

00:02:03.280 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:05.020 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:06.440 Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in their hands.

00:02:10.140 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:15.520 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:02:18.320 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:02:21.640 Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30-minute preview only.

00:02:27.060 Sometime around the 30-minute mark, give or take 10, 20 minutes,

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00:02:49.560 I thought I was going to have to remind you, David, but you nailed it.

00:02:51.940 Good for you.

00:02:52.400 We're in it.

00:02:52.960 We're already in it.

00:02:54.200 I knew it.

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00:02:58.240 because after they go on sale to the general public, they're going to be gone.

00:03:01.160 I wouldn't be surprised if it's a matter of days.

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00:03:12.480 All right.

00:03:13.100 Joining us today is Cyprian.

00:03:15.940 Hold on.

00:03:16.360 Let's wait for him to pop up.

00:03:17.140 There he is, Cyprian.

00:03:18.000 For the audience who may not be familiar with your work,

00:03:20.620 where can they find you, and what is it that you focus on?

00:03:25.820 Well, because of the things that I focus on,

00:03:27.780 I'm no longer very easy to find, I think.

00:03:30.620 Great answer.

00:03:31.420 I used to be very easy to find,

00:03:37.540 especially when I went by the name Vin Armani a little more often,

00:03:41.200 which I still do.

00:03:42.560 But, I mean, I guess on Twitter, on YouTube,

00:03:46.280 Cyprianus, C-Y-P-R-I-A-N-O-U-S.

00:03:49.800 You can find me on Twitter and YouTube with both of those.

00:03:52.500 And you could go, I mean,

00:03:54.480 there's probably 10 years worth of stuff on those, right?

00:03:57.100 So lots and lots and lots of content.

00:04:00.100 If you just Google my name, Vin Armani,

00:04:03.660 and go into the video section,

00:04:05.720 you'll be able to figure out what I'm about.

00:04:08.140 I mean, right now, what am I about?

00:04:10.440 Probably, so digital currency, macroeconomics,

00:04:16.340 a lot of local politics with where I'm at,

00:04:21.400 which is my primary focus.

00:04:22.780 So local politics and policy.

00:04:26.700 And although some of the work that I do,

00:04:28.900 like even this last week,

00:04:30.080 does make it into global press,

00:04:31.880 most of it is pretty local.

00:04:34.120 And that's been really awesome to see.

00:04:36.480 So that's where my focus is on,

00:04:38.840 my local community,

00:04:41.720 the people,

00:04:43.060 the Commonwealth,

00:04:44.120 and my family,

00:04:45.640 and Christ.

00:04:47.780 I love that.

00:04:48.780 It's like,

00:04:49.240 there's so many people,

00:04:50.600 there's a lot of people out there

00:04:51.500 that are kind of like dispensing these black pills.

00:04:54.080 And you're not one of,

00:04:55.840 it feels like,

00:04:57.120 it felt like you were dispensing them at first.

00:04:59.340 And I feel like that's like the kickback reaction

00:05:01.760 that like I was giving you.

00:05:04.000 And then it's possibly because it's like,

00:05:05.620 you're holding up,

00:05:06.220 almost like holding up a mirror to me

00:05:09.220 or to the other people.

00:05:10.700 Like you're out there on,

00:05:13.000 I assume you're on some kind of a homestead,

00:05:14.660 but you're actually talking about local solutions.

00:05:16.240 You're talking about digital current,

00:05:17.920 digital alternate currencies,

00:05:19.260 and then family.

00:05:20.380 And then most importantly,

00:05:21.500 like underneath it all,

00:05:23.060 which I feel like almost all of these people miss

00:05:25.340 is Jesus Christ and God.

00:05:28.520 Yeah.

00:05:29.920 I'm sorry.

00:05:31.280 This never happens.

00:05:33.180 Yes.

00:05:33.540 It's my wife.

00:05:34.420 I'm going to have to beat my wife after this.

00:05:37.660 That's right.

00:05:38.940 A man of God.

00:05:40.120 It is,

00:05:40.880 it's fascinating because

00:05:42.140 I find that people who actually do the thing

00:05:46.240 ruffle a lot of feathers.

00:05:48.200 In other words,

00:05:48.780 like it's one thing to partake in the conversation

00:05:51.500 and to bitch about your government

00:05:53.260 or to,

00:05:53.920 you know,

00:05:54.220 complain about the way things are going

00:05:55.800 in the direction of a country.

00:05:57.480 And it's very far and few in between

00:05:59.300 that anybody actually takes

00:06:00.560 the trajectory of their own life

00:06:02.120 in their own hands and says,

00:06:03.020 you know what?

00:06:03.320 I'm going to break away from this system.

00:06:04.940 I'm going to go and do what's right for me

00:06:06.540 and for my family.

00:06:07.260 And I'm going to strengthen my relationship with God.

00:06:09.560 It's a big ballsy move

00:06:11.680 to get up and leave.

00:06:13.780 And it seems like you did that.

00:06:15.680 I would be fascinated in hearing a bit about

00:06:18.620 why you did that.

00:06:23.620 Oh,

00:06:24.120 that's,

00:06:24.460 it's,

00:06:25.000 yeah,

00:06:26.080 I guess I've never really,

00:06:27.600 I've never really like taken a step back

00:06:29.720 and examined it,

00:06:30.560 but

00:06:30.860 that didn't really start for me.

00:06:33.020 It was Christianity.

00:06:34.300 You know,

00:06:34.920 I mean,

00:06:35.740 even some of the stuff that you guys

00:06:37.680 back in the day

00:06:38.880 was whatever little,

00:06:39.840 you know,

00:06:40.380 Twitter back and forth

00:06:41.800 because you guys were defending your hero.

00:06:46.040 You know,

00:06:46.600 even at that time,

00:06:47.360 the things that you guys would

00:06:48.640 call me out about,

00:06:51.320 I mean,

00:06:51.800 even when it wasn't God,

00:06:53.100 I've,

00:06:53.260 I've still been very spiritual

00:06:54.460 and I've always followed a path

00:06:56.040 that was like,

00:06:56.840 felt to me like the,

00:06:57.740 one of the most spiritual growth.

00:06:59.460 And so like the things,

00:07:00.960 the things that people will look back

00:07:02.700 in my past.

00:07:03.380 I mean,

00:07:03.540 I was a star of a very,

00:07:04.600 I was a star of a racy TV show.

00:07:06.420 Let's say that.

00:07:07.460 Right.

00:07:07.840 And it was a very interesting aspect

00:07:09.900 of my life.

00:07:10.980 Taught me a ton of,

00:07:12.640 I would say

00:07:13.060 my real interest in economics

00:07:15.440 actually came from out of

00:07:17.420 that,

00:07:18.960 that period in my thirties

00:07:20.840 and like seeing real economics

00:07:22.680 on the ground

00:07:23.500 and like alternate economies

00:07:25.800 and,

00:07:26.300 and how that all worked

00:07:27.580 and cash businesses

00:07:29.220 that have existed.

00:07:30.120 Well,

00:07:30.900 you know,

00:07:31.240 I mean,

00:07:31.500 it was,

00:07:31.880 it was in the world,

00:07:33.080 I guess you would frame it

00:07:33.920 of sex work

00:07:34.560 at the highest end.

00:07:35.600 Right.

00:07:36.620 And so world's oldest profession.

00:07:38.960 So you would assume

00:07:40.140 that there's going to be

00:07:41.100 some deep knowledge

00:07:42.900 about the nature of markets.

00:07:46.300 If you're dealing

00:07:47.220 at the highest end

00:07:48.100 of the world's oldest profession.

00:07:50.040 Sure.

00:07:50.620 Right.

00:07:50.960 As an independent operator,

00:07:52.540 you would figure

00:07:53.120 that you would get

00:07:53.800 some subtle learning

00:07:55.660 and wisdom

00:07:56.320 that you probably

00:07:57.160 couldn't get anywhere else.

00:07:59.560 And so,

00:08:00.500 you know,

00:08:00.780 and I mean,

00:08:01.200 my first economics book

00:08:02.180 is actually on that,

00:08:03.160 Dow of the Gigolo,

00:08:03.880 right?

00:08:04.100 That's what it's,

00:08:04.680 that's what it's about.

00:08:05.520 It's about the sexual marketplace

00:08:06.760 and what's the economics

00:08:07.820 of the sexual marketplace.

00:08:09.800 And so,

00:08:11.040 um,

00:08:12.300 I made that,

00:08:13.680 again,

00:08:14.600 like even that situation,

00:08:16.140 I went into that situation

00:08:17.520 knowing,

00:08:18.560 oh,

00:08:19.400 dude,

00:08:19.560 if you do this publicly

00:08:21.220 forever,

00:08:22.680 people are going to use

00:08:24.600 this against you

00:08:25.260 no matter what,

00:08:26.480 like they'll use it

00:08:27.320 as a,

00:08:27.640 as a cudgel

00:08:28.460 to hit you over the head

00:08:29.380 with no matter

00:08:29.860 what you do.

00:08:30.880 I remember now,

00:08:31.780 I remember now that,

00:08:32.760 okay,

00:08:33.260 see,

00:08:33.520 it's because there's so much,

00:08:34.380 I get into so many Twitter fights.

00:08:35.940 Um,

00:08:36.440 so it was,

00:08:38.220 it was like,

00:08:38.640 your boy,

00:08:39.340 Dave Smith called me a hooker.

00:08:41.040 Right,

00:08:41.520 right.

00:08:41.960 It was hilarious.

00:08:42.940 Yeah.

00:08:43.100 So now here's,

00:08:43.660 here's the thing though.

00:08:44.860 We,

00:08:45.400 we have come full circle though.

00:08:47.680 It's,

00:08:48.000 it's a strange way.

00:08:50.260 Like I'm excited

00:08:51.600 to do this interview

00:08:52.340 because we had Dave Smith on,

00:08:54.840 on,

00:08:55.660 uh,

00:08:56.180 our conversation

00:08:56.780 and we had Clint Russell on

00:08:57.880 just to like,

00:08:58.460 you know,

00:08:58.740 have it be a little bit more even,

00:09:00.240 but the,

00:09:00.860 the,

00:09:01.040 the topic was,

00:09:02.060 uh,

00:09:02.320 God versus Liberty.

00:09:03.980 And can you have both

00:09:05.420 and where are you leading

00:09:07.240 these men to?

00:09:08.240 And,

00:09:08.480 uh,

00:09:09.720 did you see,

00:09:10.260 did you see the latest

00:09:10.920 Dave Smith debate

00:09:11.780 with,

00:09:12.060 uh,

00:09:12.260 Douglas Murray?

00:09:13.500 I don't know if you're like

00:09:14.420 plugged into this whole thing.

00:09:15.960 I mean,

00:09:16.560 I can,

00:09:17.080 I can stand about

00:09:18.220 three seconds

00:09:19.320 of both of those guys,

00:09:20.360 but I did go

00:09:21.020 and watch just because it's,

00:09:22.500 um,

00:09:23.720 just,

00:09:24.220 no,

00:09:24.500 I mean,

00:09:24.740 well,

00:09:24.880 I'm just being honest,

00:09:25.740 right?

00:09:26.020 Like,

00:09:26.280 it's not like for me,

00:09:27.560 that's,

00:09:27.980 that's not a good way

00:09:29.440 to spend an hour

00:09:30.340 for me because it's just,

00:09:32.200 I,

00:09:32.400 I,

00:09:32.700 because it's not an hour spent.

00:09:34.000 It's like three hours spent

00:09:36.440 because then the two hours

00:09:37.540 afterwards,

00:09:37.940 I just walk around like,

00:09:39.180 oh,

00:09:39.820 oh,

00:09:40.260 oh,

00:09:40.640 you know,

00:09:40.980 like replaying it in one hour

00:09:42.260 to go through it

00:09:42.920 and two hours to recover.

00:09:44.180 Yeah,

00:09:44.360 man,

00:09:44.580 I,

00:09:44.880 to recover.

00:09:45.540 Right.

00:09:45.800 So,

00:09:46.600 uh,

00:09:47.640 but yeah,

00:09:48.240 I,

00:09:48.600 I watched,

00:09:49.780 obviously,

00:09:50.220 who could miss the highlights,

00:09:51.900 right?

00:09:52.340 I was going through my YouTube feed

00:09:54.880 and it was like every other video

00:09:56.600 was a reaction video to it.

00:09:59.140 So I definitely caught some highlights.

00:10:00.720 Yeah.

00:10:00.900 So it was,

00:10:01.720 it was like a,

00:10:02.780 it was a weird struggle session

00:10:03.880 that he's doing against Joe and Dave,

00:10:06.420 but Dave ran into this issue with him

00:10:08.840 where he's trying to like press him

00:10:11.000 and the guy's being very slippery

00:10:12.120 because it's a debate.

00:10:13.100 And then,

00:10:13.880 and he was like,

00:10:14.420 it was frustrating.

00:10:15.080 But when we spoke to him,

00:10:17.020 it was the same thing

00:10:19.060 because like we were kind of trying to,

00:10:21.540 like,

00:10:21.780 I'm not trying to press you on Rothbardian economics

00:10:24.280 or like Misesian economics.

00:10:25.560 Like we were talking about something

00:10:26.740 a little bit bigger than that.

00:10:27.840 We're talking about spirituality.

00:10:29.600 God,

00:10:30.040 where does this all lead,

00:10:31.560 especially within the libertarian party?

00:10:33.400 And he,

00:10:33.900 he did a thing,

00:10:34.700 I,

00:10:34.820 again,

00:10:35.500 prefaces with,

00:10:36.120 I do love Dave Smith.

00:10:37.100 He's a,

00:10:37.320 he's a friend of mine,

00:10:38.140 but he kept on saying like,

00:10:39.460 I reject the premise.

00:10:40.740 And it was very frustrating.

00:10:43.060 In particular,

00:10:43.640 it was to my questions

00:10:45.680 and my questions,

00:10:46.540 I'm,

00:10:47.040 you know,

00:10:47.420 you may not know this,

00:10:48.800 but you know,

00:10:49.460 I'm politically retarded,

00:10:50.780 also financially,

00:10:51.820 and really just incredibly limited

00:10:54.120 in my intellect.

00:10:55.320 But my fascination lies more within

00:10:57.760 spiritual concepts,

00:10:59.800 God and,

00:11:01.240 and conspiracy really.

00:11:02.960 And what I thought was fascinating about Dave

00:11:05.280 is he is tenacious.

00:11:06.940 You have to kind of give hats off to anybody

00:11:09.460 who,

00:11:11.900 who digs that deep into a subject,

00:11:12.760 knows the ins and outs of it,

00:11:13.840 and can engage at that high,

00:11:15.120 high of a level of a conversation with somebody.

00:11:18.020 And so I had heard that Dave Smith,

00:11:21.340 after he had children,

00:11:22.680 realized that there was a God.

00:11:24.220 And it struck me as interesting

00:11:25.560 because I said,

00:11:26.060 a man who's so tenacious,

00:11:27.560 who,

00:11:28.060 who sees what he thinks is the truth,

00:11:29.680 and then aggressively goes after it,

00:11:32.660 surely would have the same feelings

00:11:35.020 when you came to the dramatic realization

00:11:36.600 that God is real.

00:11:37.660 And I didn't,

00:11:38.920 I was not interested in having a debate

00:11:40.500 with Dave Smith.

00:11:41.300 I don't,

00:11:41.660 I don't,

00:11:41.920 I'm not going to have a debate with Dave Smith.

00:11:42.740 Yeah, I'm going to lose that.

00:11:44.340 Yeah, I just wanted to get some insight

00:11:47.660 into the thought process of a man

00:11:49.320 who I do respect,

00:11:50.880 and it's now admitted that there is a God.

00:11:53.100 And so,

00:11:54.360 and then of course,

00:11:55.240 if you look around in politics,

00:11:56.700 you see all of this strange,

00:11:58.700 kind of satanic,

00:11:59.480 luciferian crap,

00:12:00.280 and you can make of it what you will,

00:12:01.460 but certainly it piques your interest

00:12:02.700 and makes you think.

00:12:03.720 That was it.

00:12:04.600 And every time I would repackage that desperately,

00:12:08.360 because my biggest fault

00:12:10.300 is when somebody doesn't understand

00:12:12.100 what I'm saying or asking.

00:12:13.240 That's my imperfect delivery.

00:12:15.780 So I kept rephrasing it,

00:12:17.400 repackaging it,

00:12:18.200 and trying to slide it across the table to him.

00:12:20.120 And what I would be met with was debate tactics,

00:12:23.140 as if I was adversarial,

00:12:26.140 which was not the case at all.

00:12:27.340 So yeah,

00:12:27.760 very much the same thing that he was,

00:12:30.800 kind of fell victim to with Douglas Murray

00:12:32.600 was the same thing he subjected us to.

00:12:35.080 And in that way,

00:12:36.260 people found it a fascinating conversation,

00:12:37.740 but I was just a little bit bummed out

00:12:39.020 because I had hoped to have

00:12:40.200 a more genuine, vulnerable conversation.

00:12:42.860 I was upset with how it went

00:12:43.860 because we didn't do what we seeked,

00:12:46.400 what we seeked out to do.

00:12:48.240 But I think it pertains,

00:12:50.420 I think it pertains a lot

00:12:51.380 to what like this main argument

00:12:53.020 that perhaps you were having

00:12:54.160 that even I wasn't hearing at the time.

00:12:56.320 You were saying some things

00:12:57.500 and I was hooked on,

00:12:59.220 like he caught you with the stripper thing.

00:13:00.760 It's funny.

00:13:01.800 It's really easy to disarm people.

00:13:03.100 No hooker, hooker, strip stripper.

00:13:04.080 Dude, stripper would be...

00:13:05.680 Well, the thing is,

00:13:06.640 it's not,

00:13:07.380 it's,

00:13:07.900 it obviously doesn't disarm,

00:13:10.800 I don't know how it would disarm me

00:13:12.840 considering I was six seasons

00:13:14.940 on a super successful show

00:13:17.420 called Gigolos,

00:13:18.500 taking a paycheck from all of that,

00:13:20.500 watched by millions of people,

00:13:22.120 stopped in the street

00:13:23.260 as from Panama to Prague

00:13:25.660 by young men saying

00:13:27.120 I was their hero.

00:13:27.940 And it's like,

00:13:28.940 yeah.

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00:14:14.540 Well, no, dude.

00:14:15.740 It's called Gigolos.

00:14:18.420 Like, if you're...

00:14:20.180 That's like me being like,

00:14:22.020 oh, you're a comic.

00:14:23.420 And that's some sort of insult.

00:14:25.600 It's like, no, dude.

00:14:26.640 Like, I signed up for that.

00:14:28.580 I signed the contract with Showtime.

00:14:30.900 Showtime called me a hooker.

00:14:33.140 Right?

00:14:33.760 So it's like, I'm not...

00:14:35.380 I was like, I'll be a hooker.

00:14:37.260 Pay me the check.

00:14:38.900 Make me famous.

00:14:40.880 Get me into...

00:14:41.800 It was in Vegas.

00:14:42.860 Let me have a table at every club in Vegas for free.

00:14:45.840 A $10,000 table.

00:14:47.360 Let girls run after me

00:14:48.760 and have two and three in my bed every night.

00:14:51.320 Okay.

00:14:52.120 A hooker, that doesn't disarm me.

00:14:53.880 It might make it fun for your...

00:14:55.300 It might make it fun for your guys.

00:14:56.840 And then it stops the debate

00:14:58.740 because I just get slammed

00:15:00.920 by people wanting to throw memes at me.

00:15:04.000 You know what it is?

00:15:05.020 That word.

00:15:05.100 And then we can't get to any debate.

00:15:06.660 It's like something about the double O.

00:15:08.800 It's a great word.

00:15:09.920 It's a great word.

00:15:10.620 It's closed at the end in the beginning.

00:15:11.760 It's very pointed.

00:15:12.760 Like, it's got this double O going on.

00:15:14.700 It's a good word.

00:15:15.440 But it doesn't allow the conversation to go forward.

00:15:18.280 It ends it.

00:15:18.720 It ends it.

00:15:19.220 It's kind of sad.

00:15:20.280 Yeah.

00:15:21.440 It ends it.

00:15:22.180 And I think, you know,

00:15:26.500 to your point about stopping the conversation,

00:15:32.260 I think that that's really a great heuristic,

00:15:37.100 especially we're coming out of Holy Week, right?

00:15:39.940 Because if you look at the entire story of the passion,

00:15:46.340 like what's going on, those who...

00:15:48.960 Like it's about silencing Jesus.

00:15:50.600 Mm-hmm.

00:15:52.340 Right?

00:15:52.880 And it's, you know, you look at the Beatitudes,

00:15:55.100 and it's like,

00:15:56.260 blessed are you when men shall revile you and persecute you,

00:15:59.180 and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.

00:16:01.720 So he's even saying, like,

00:16:03.280 so long as you stay oriented toward me,

00:16:05.680 if they call you hooker, it's blessed.

00:16:09.320 Hmm.

00:16:10.180 Shall say all manner of evil against you falsely for my sake.

00:16:12.940 He's actually saying,

00:16:14.960 our Lord is saying,

00:16:16.580 you don't win the debate.

00:16:19.260 Hmm.

00:16:19.420 Well, he didn't win the debate.

00:16:22.660 Well, he didn't win the debate,

00:16:23.880 because we're here three years later or so,

00:16:28.180 and I'm like...

00:16:28.660 Well, I'm not talking about Dave Smith didn't win the debate.

00:16:31.480 Oh, sure.

00:16:32.260 Sure, sure.

00:16:32.840 I'm saying Christ didn't win the debate.

00:16:35.900 Hmm.

00:16:37.040 Christ wound up on a cross.

00:16:39.180 Right, right, right.

00:16:40.360 He won the spiritual warfare.

00:16:42.780 He didn't win the debate with the people who wanted to debate him.

00:16:48.880 The Pharisees, they won.

00:16:51.700 They won the debate by putting him on a cross,

00:16:54.320 by saying, he said he's this.

00:16:58.100 He said he's the king.

00:17:00.240 You have to put him up,

00:17:01.240 because the only king is Caesar,

00:17:02.600 even though that in and of themselves was blasphemy for a Jew to say that.

00:17:06.300 Occupied people, they went to the occupier, right?

00:17:10.660 And so, as a Christian, like, that's the thing,

00:17:14.420 that it's like, dude, you're not going to win the debate.

00:17:17.600 So, if what's big for you is winning debates,

00:17:19.720 you can't be a Christian.

00:17:21.580 Hmm.

00:17:22.380 Yeah, well, to Top's point,

00:17:24.320 even the Dave Smith,

00:17:25.840 not debate, right,

00:17:27.360 but I suppose that conversation stopper,

00:17:31.580 it really did stop for him, it seems like.

00:17:33.760 And I'm not trying to dunk on him at all.

00:17:35.460 Like I said, I do respect him.

00:17:36.640 It's just that here he is all these years later,

00:17:39.660 and he's struggling with that concept.

00:17:41.960 And it's strange,

00:17:43.540 because I know that if you're armed with political and financial knowledge,

00:17:49.040 there is a sort of a quickness to pull that out

00:17:52.100 and engage in a combative situation with that information.

00:17:55.280 But it doesn't seem to be the same thing

00:17:57.800 once you step into the less tangible, let's say.

00:18:01.860 If you step into the supernatural,

00:18:03.280 if you step into spiritual concepts,

00:18:05.220 if you step into biblical concepts,

00:18:07.560 that's where all that sort of tenacity stops.

00:18:10.900 And it almost feels like he's stuck now,

00:18:14.240 because I don't know if you've noticed this.

00:18:16.280 Because he doesn't have the fullness.

00:18:17.640 He does.

00:18:17.960 So, like, it's interesting.

00:18:19.320 Like, not, not, I'm not meaning to interrupt you,

00:18:21.420 but I don't want to go past what you just said, right?

00:18:23.520 So, it's like, how do you separate the financial and the political

00:18:30.220 from the intangible?

00:18:33.160 Like, how do you separate the financial from the spiritual

00:18:37.280 when it says,

00:18:38.220 in God we trust,

00:18:39.360 and has an all-seeing eye and a pyramid

00:18:41.080 on the back of the $1 bill,

00:18:42.600 which is the global reserve currency?

00:18:44.520 Because the people who...

00:18:46.520 Right?

00:18:48.100 Yeah.

00:18:48.400 Like, how do you...

00:18:50.100 The people who made this

00:18:51.880 clearly didn't separate the two.

00:18:54.780 And then,

00:18:55.600 how do you separate out politics,

00:18:57.540 especially geopolitics, right?

00:18:59.940 It's like,

00:19:00.720 oh,

00:19:01.400 who are you dealing...

00:19:02.400 Who are the countries the U.S. is trying to deal with right now?

00:19:06.140 Russia?

00:19:07.640 Okay,

00:19:08.260 you can't separate the Russian people

00:19:10.740 from Orthodox Christianity.

00:19:13.120 Right.

00:19:13.540 Their language.

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00:19:57.880 Their language was brought to them by the church.

00:20:01.820 Their alphabet is called what?

00:20:03.680 Cyrillic.

00:20:04.700 Well,

00:20:04.980 who's that?

00:20:05.460 That's St. Cyril.

00:20:06.500 Of St. Cyril and Methodius who brought them the alphabet

00:20:11.300 and who brought them their language,

00:20:13.840 Church Slavonic,

00:20:15.180 to translate the Bible.

00:20:17.220 All Slavic languages come from the church's language.

00:20:20.980 They didn't all have one language.

00:20:22.440 That's fascinating.

00:20:22.460 I didn't know that.

00:20:23.420 Of course you didn't.

00:20:25.240 Because people have been trying to separate the spiritual

00:20:27.840 and the political.

00:20:29.580 So what you're telling me is you're going to go to a country

00:20:32.520 where the identity,

00:20:34.160 so the identity of Russia begins with the baptism of the Rus.

00:20:38.980 St. Vladimir,

00:20:40.880 who Putin is named after,

00:20:42.940 and every Vladimir is named after,

00:20:44.700 who baptized the entire Kiev,

00:20:46.920 and it's Kiev,

00:20:48.520 who baptized all of Kiev,

00:20:50.940 and that was the beginning of Russian identity.

00:20:54.000 There is no Russian people outside of the church.

00:20:59.220 And you,

00:20:59.820 okay,

00:21:00.160 so we got to deal with them,

00:21:01.340 but you want to separate out spirituality from geopolitics.

00:21:04.180 Then who?

00:21:05.000 Iran,

00:21:05.900 which is a freaking theocracy,

00:21:08.340 and so is Israel.

00:21:12.480 And you want to talk about this somehow absent

00:21:15.400 of theology?

00:21:17.460 The biggest conflict in Ukraine is theological.

00:21:22.740 The schisms,

00:21:23.960 the things that are happening there are about the church.

00:21:26.160 There's a schismatic church.

00:21:29.280 The Kievan government is imprisoning priests,

00:21:35.020 Russian Orthodox priests.

00:21:37.000 They took over,

00:21:38.140 they took over and seized,

00:21:40.220 and we want to separate it out all,

00:21:42.240 so we're like,

00:21:42.820 oh,

00:21:42.960 it's not connected.

00:21:43.940 They seized the oldest and most important Orthodox monastery.

00:21:49.460 It's in Kiev.

00:21:50.560 It's the Lavra.

00:21:51.300 It's the Kiev caves.

00:21:52.740 If you're an Orthodox Christian,

00:21:54.280 and you look at the saints list,

00:21:57.280 and you read the lives of the saints,

00:21:58.940 every day they're saints from the Kiev caves.

00:22:02.400 It's the root.

00:22:03.900 It's the root of Russian Orthodoxy.

00:22:07.660 It was taken over.

00:22:09.140 Like,

00:22:09.400 how do you not,

00:22:11.780 how do we have a conversation about what's going on over there?

00:22:15.020 How do we negotiate?

00:22:16.360 How do you deal with what the actual reality of the struggle is if you want to separate it from spirituality?

00:22:22.360 You can't.

00:22:26.300 Politics and economics are the most and always have been the most spiritual things.

00:22:31.480 They came from the priest class.

00:22:33.300 I didn't know that.

00:22:37.600 And so it's,

00:22:38.600 well,

00:22:39.080 of course you didn't.

00:22:40.080 It's crazy.

00:22:42.000 Of course you didn't.

00:22:43.140 Because the whole idea is we're going to separate it out.

00:22:46.580 But here's the thing.

00:22:48.660 How do you ever predict what's going to happen?

00:22:51.360 How do you ever make the right move

00:22:53.020 if like these most important foundational core variables you're not even dealing with?

00:22:58.880 So when somebody's like,

00:23:00.200 I've got so much knowledge about politics.

00:23:02.040 I've got so much knowledge about economics.

00:23:04.340 And then I hear nothing.

00:23:06.460 I don't even hear them acknowledge the spiritual basis or the religious basis underneath the conflicts and concepts that they're talking about.

00:23:15.520 Then I say you don't have any knowledge.

00:23:17.340 That's where I've been getting a little bit stuck,

00:23:19.560 or especially where I got stuck with Dave,

00:23:21.220 because I think the greatest point that you can make in regards to sort of,

00:23:26.660 let's say like this darker aspect,

00:23:28.880 this Luciferian aspect that's infiltrated the hearts of some people.

00:23:32.100 And some of those people are in government.

00:23:33.520 And that best shows itself,

00:23:35.140 in my opinion,

00:23:35.620 when it comes to like the whole Jeffrey Epstein,

00:23:38.080 you know,

00:23:38.440 sexual blackmail and the exploitation of children.

00:23:41.080 And obviously that includes so many people that are not just involved with politics,

00:23:46.420 but are incredibly influential in geopolitics that I go,

00:23:51.280 how can you leave that part of the conversation out when some of the most nefarious things that are happening,

00:23:57.140 it wasn't long ago that the whole world was gripped with the whole Epstein story.

00:24:00.760 And that was tied in so intimately with not only Hollywood,

00:24:05.120 but politicians.

00:24:06.360 And it's like,

00:24:07.260 that just isn't addressed.

00:24:09.060 It's,

00:24:09.220 it's almost like it's,

00:24:10.080 it's the same thing as a person who is in the scientific community,

00:24:13.580 who starts to study,

00:24:14.760 study something that falls into what they deem is pseudoscience.

00:24:17.700 It's very similar where you don't really bring it up.

00:24:22.040 So you can bring up Epstein,

00:24:23.880 let's say,

00:24:24.360 and you could bring up like the political blackmail aspect of things,

00:24:28.240 but don't bring up the temple.

00:24:29.660 Don't bring up the ceremony.

00:24:30.820 Don't bring up the rituals.

00:24:31.860 Don't bring up the golden owls.

00:24:33.340 Don't bring up any of that stuff.

00:24:35.000 Don't bring up the fact that he's like shape-shifting.

00:24:37.820 Yeah.

00:24:38.480 We heard some horrifying stories about that too.

00:24:41.560 But they,

00:24:43.260 they,

00:24:43.800 it,

00:24:44.380 to me,

00:24:44.920 it strikes me as a,

00:24:45.900 as a weakness in people who,

00:24:47.700 I regard as,

00:24:49.160 like I said,

00:24:49.900 intellectually significant and,

00:24:53.140 and,

00:24:53.440 you know,

00:24:53.740 really have their,

00:24:54.640 their adept,

00:24:55.460 you know,

00:24:55.840 in,

00:24:56.080 in,

00:24:56.380 in learning and going after information and disseminating information.

00:25:00.180 I don't see it as an inability.

00:25:03.640 It seems like a choice.

00:25:05.080 There's a choice to ignore those things.

00:25:07.580 And then it,

00:25:08.440 to me,

00:25:08.660 it throws everything that you're saying into chaos,

00:25:11.580 because if you're not going to address this elephant in the room,

00:25:14.040 and you're not going to have a conversation about that,

00:25:16.700 then I can't listen to anything you're saying.

00:25:19.520 Well,

00:25:19.960 we got to,

00:25:20.400 I think.

00:25:23.940 All right.

00:25:25.060 So.

00:25:26.440 This is all right.

00:25:30.500 So.

00:25:30.900 I,

00:25:32.240 I think you're right,

00:25:33.560 but.

00:25:34.480 And,

00:25:35.000 and,

00:25:35.120 and I feel you it's there,

00:25:36.700 but I,

00:25:38.480 I,

00:25:38.820 I think,

00:25:39.660 you know,

00:25:41.440 nuance,

00:25:42.020 nuance is everything.

00:25:43.060 Like to seek Christ is to,

00:25:45.860 is to fight ferociously for nuance.

00:25:48.300 That's what my spiritual father,

00:25:50.240 father turbo qual says.

00:25:51.380 Right.

00:25:52.100 And so it's like,

00:25:53.120 if we're going to talk about elephants in the room and we're going to talk

00:25:55.880 about the culture that breeds Epstein and we're going to talk at,

00:25:58.980 we like the first thing we have to do.

00:26:01.960 Right.

00:26:02.380 It's like,

00:26:02.900 how are we going to point out the spec in our,

00:26:05.680 in our neighbor's eye without looking at the log in ours.

00:26:08.020 Right.

00:26:08.300 And so like,

00:26:09.580 let's look at,

00:26:11.280 let's look at like,

00:26:12.240 what's not being talked about because the,

00:26:15.060 like there's things that are closer to home that are not being talked

00:26:17.180 about.

00:26:17.480 So like we're broadcasting on the internet,

00:26:19.480 right?

00:26:19.880 We're broadcasting.

00:26:20.820 And I mean,

00:26:21.500 I'm a software developer and I've been on the internet since 1995.

00:26:24.680 So like I have a pretty good sense of what's moving across the

00:26:28.120 internet,

00:26:28.360 but like,

00:26:29.020 what would you guys say?

00:26:30.300 Like people are watching this content,

00:26:32.160 but like for a long time,

00:26:34.920 it probably is still true.

00:26:36.280 So what type of content would you say is occupying the most amount of

00:26:40.540 bandwidth that that's coming over the internet at any given time?

00:26:45.400 Oh yeah.

00:26:45.700 I would say pornography.

00:26:46.700 I didn't even think about that.

00:26:47.500 Good point.

00:26:47.900 Top fantastic.

00:26:49.820 Okay.

00:26:50.520 So now here's the,

00:26:51.720 here's another question.

00:26:53.360 Um,

00:26:55.820 who pays for,

00:26:57.080 who,

00:26:57.240 who pays to watch pornography?

00:26:59.920 Nobody,

00:27:00.480 nobody.

00:27:00.880 It's one of the things they give us for free.

00:27:03.100 You pay with your soul,

00:27:04.140 I guess.

00:27:04.900 Well,

00:27:05.220 there is a price.

00:27:05.680 But hold on,

00:27:06.840 but hold on.

00:27:08.780 I,

00:27:09.280 and I mean,

00:27:09.880 my background's in streaming media.

00:27:11.720 It isn't free to stream HD.

00:27:16.180 What's the business model.

00:27:17.800 If nobody's paying,

00:27:19.300 somebody is paying for all this.

00:27:21.380 If the most content that's traveling across the internet is porn,

00:27:26.320 that's data center after data center,

00:27:28.740 after data center,

00:27:29.700 hosting that data.

00:27:31.980 That's all kinds of infrastructure to serve it.

00:27:35.220 Tons of electricity.

00:27:38.020 Who's paying for it and why?

00:27:42.320 That's a great question.

00:27:43.700 I mean,

00:27:44.040 I know that there's like,

00:27:44.880 it's like packed with advertisers.

00:27:46.440 They are,

00:27:47.120 there's going to be ads.

00:27:47.900 But it's not,

00:27:48.680 but,

00:27:49.000 but who's,

00:27:50.080 but the ads are for you to go and click on and buy and buy and buy a membership to some porn.

00:27:55.560 Who's clicking that though?

00:27:56.860 Yeah,

00:27:57.000 but nobody's clicking on it.

00:27:58.100 Nobody.

00:27:58.640 Right.

00:27:58.840 That's my,

00:27:59.980 the point I'm making to you right now.

00:28:03.740 That's the point I'm making.

00:28:06.680 Who do you think is making it free?

00:28:09.380 Well,

00:28:09.960 here's the thing.

00:28:11.200 You say you want to talk about Epstein.

00:28:13.200 I'm like,

00:28:13.620 I don't know Jeffrey Epstein,

00:28:15.220 but I know hundreds of men who,

00:28:17.600 who watch porn on a daily basis online.

00:28:19.580 Hmm.

00:28:19.900 You want to talk about the things that we're not talking about.

00:28:24.420 You want to talk about the things where it's like,

00:28:26.120 clearly there's a real conspiracy there.

00:28:29.920 Like clearly there's a conspiracy,

00:28:32.600 meaning like some group of people is together and is giving this away for free.

00:28:38.460 And it's to everyone.

00:28:40.600 And it's consuming the majority.

00:28:42.960 Think about it.

00:28:43.540 So we have an internet culture.

00:28:45.180 We talk about the internet all the time.

00:28:46.860 It's big business.

00:28:47.800 We've got,

00:28:48.340 Oh,

00:28:48.480 Mark Zuckerberg,

00:28:49.300 Berg and these face Facebook and Elon Musk and all of them.

00:28:53.200 They're on the inauguration stage with Donald Trump.

00:28:55.460 But what's the most content that's be,

00:28:58.540 what are the people spending the most time watching?

00:29:01.880 Where's that guy?

00:29:04.520 Who,

00:29:05.200 what's his name?

00:29:06.600 What's his name?

00:29:07.900 That's a,

00:29:08.460 you know what though?

00:29:09.540 I'll,

00:29:10.240 you know,

00:29:10.600 Jeffrey Epstein's name.

00:29:11.800 You don't even know his name.

00:29:14.360 Here's what they're going to say.

00:29:15.840 Jeffrey Epstein and start trying to figure out what his name is.

00:29:18.300 They're going to say this,

00:29:20.020 say the Jews,

00:29:21.200 but I'm going to say like,

00:29:22.460 we're going to go to like an Owen Benjamin point,

00:29:24.200 which is a little bit more,

00:29:25.520 not a little bit.

00:29:26.280 So it's a lot more nuanced,

00:29:27.260 right?

00:29:27.600 It less the Jews.

00:29:28.680 Yes.

00:29:29.040 To a certain extent.

00:29:30.200 But yeah,

00:29:30.500 you have that like,

00:29:30.960 Oh,

00:29:31.060 and I,

00:29:31.460 that owns porn hub or something like it.

00:29:33.080 Sure.

00:29:33.440 Or another guy selling dildos with his daughter.

00:29:35.880 That's a whole nother thing.

00:29:37.000 Right.

00:29:37.280 But Owen will tell you,

00:29:39.420 Rabbi Shmuley,

00:29:40.160 uh,

00:29:40.760 Owen will tell you,

00:29:41.600 you gotta,

00:29:42.840 you gotta,

00:29:43.240 uh,

00:29:43.540 defeat the J in your own heart.

00:29:45.800 And it's something that got me in trouble.

00:29:47.920 I got like doxed by,

00:29:49.220 uh,

00:29:49.760 Groypers.

00:29:50.380 They,

00:29:50.600 they flooded my account with like followers.

00:29:52.600 Then I mean,

00:29:53.380 they,

00:29:53.520 they did not like that where I was like,

00:29:54.920 listen,

00:29:55.240 you guys are complaining.

00:29:56.080 But again,

00:29:56.740 like you're saying,

00:29:57.340 you're still gooning every day,

00:29:59.720 every day to this stuff.

00:30:01.020 It's like,

00:30:01.220 what are you doing?

00:30:02.100 Who's paying for it?

00:30:03.540 Someone's paying for,

00:30:04.400 someone's putting it in front of you,

00:30:05.700 but you're paying for it.

00:30:08.060 Someone's paying for it.

00:30:09.300 And so,

00:30:10.060 you know,

00:30:10.440 as a Christian,

00:30:11.980 the answer,

00:30:12.720 we know the answer.

00:30:13.700 And that's why orthodoxy was,

00:30:15.600 that's why I came to orthodoxy was because these are the questions that I,

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00:31:04.440 Under,

00:31:05.160 I understood what the answer to these questions was,

00:31:07.840 right?

00:31:09.200 Because I was operating in that world,

00:31:11.860 right?

00:31:13.120 There,

00:31:13.380 there are people who are in the media who have,

00:31:15.920 who are in the vein of the Epstein story who were clients of mine.

00:31:21.540 Right?

00:31:22.060 And one of the things that I know is that the things being said about them in public are not true.

00:31:30.020 And how so?

00:31:30.760 Because some of the,

00:31:31.620 well,

00:31:32.440 because some of the events that are being talked about in public,

00:31:35.260 I was at.

00:31:36.040 And so you can't tell me that something different happened at these events that I was at than what I actually experienced.

00:31:46.740 So then I know that these people are lying.

00:31:49.660 What's the nature of what's been accused?

00:31:51.360 And then what's the nature of the actual event?

00:31:55.500 So the nature of what's been accused,

00:31:58.920 and some of your audience will figure out what this is,

00:32:01.740 given my background,

00:32:02.460 if they know that the,

00:32:03.540 the stories that are out there,

00:32:05.000 the big ones,

00:32:06.060 you know,

00:32:06.540 name,

00:32:07.000 name,

00:32:07.860 household names.

00:32:09.160 Um,

00:32:09.640 the stories are very like dark,

00:32:13.400 twisted,

00:32:15.000 perverted.

00:32:15.580 And the reality was,

00:32:17.300 uh,

00:32:17.760 super vanilla.

00:32:18.740 Like some of the most vanilla experiences I've ever had in my life.

00:32:22.820 Interesting.

00:32:24.100 So then if that is the case,

00:32:28.560 the question becomes why sensationalize it?

00:32:32.780 Because Ephesians,

00:32:33.800 because Ephesians 6,

00:32:34.880 12,

00:32:35.260 because it's spiritual warfare.

00:32:38.320 Ephesians 6,

00:32:39.120 12,

00:32:39.340 we wrestle not against flesh and blood,

00:32:40.900 but against principalities,

00:32:42.120 against powers,

00:32:43.080 right?

00:32:44.500 Spirit of darkness.

00:32:46.740 That's it.

00:32:47.480 It's not flesh and blood.

00:32:48.680 And at the end of the day,

00:32:49.960 if you can be,

00:32:51.300 if it can be sensationalized and it can draw,

00:32:53.320 draw your attention to it,

00:32:54.500 well,

00:32:54.680 now you're thinking about these things that didn't exist.

00:32:58.380 Now you're operating in a fantasy in your head.

00:33:01.820 And oftentimes I'm like,

00:33:03.180 well,

00:33:05.000 why do you,

00:33:05.440 why do you want to think about children being abused?

00:33:10.360 Like,

00:33:10.860 there's no question that children are being,

00:33:12.660 that there is out there,

00:33:13.820 there's child abuse and children are being abused.

00:33:15.680 There's no question about it,

00:33:16.800 but why do you want to think about it?

00:33:20.640 Like,

00:33:21.080 especially 99.9% of people are not going to do anything except they're not

00:33:26.340 going to contribute to,

00:33:27.540 they're not going to go and volunteer for like,

00:33:29.560 you know,

00:33:30.660 that's a mental health thing for child abuse survivors.

00:33:33.800 They're not going to know.

00:33:34.880 They're going to like share things and get outraged about it and talk about

00:33:38.620 it and think about it.

00:33:40.200 They're not going to help the victims.

00:33:41.700 They're just going to live in a fantasy of thinking about it.

00:33:44.700 And it's like,

00:33:46.820 yeah,

00:33:46.960 if I'm a demon,

00:33:47.960 if I'm a demon,

00:33:48.820 that's what I want you to do.

00:33:50.540 I was,

00:33:51.040 we just spoke to somebody yesterday,

00:33:52.720 this guy,

00:33:53.060 Nathaniel Gillis,

00:33:54.140 and he's outlining this idea that I forget the name of the experiment that

00:33:58.560 they did,

00:33:58.940 but had to do with people that are channelers specifically like the C5 stuff,

00:34:03.440 channeling UFOs,

00:34:04.320 but this is just demonic stuff and they channel and they'd have a control

00:34:08.780 group and then they'd have the group that might have been experiencing and

00:34:13.340 they're telling one group a story and the other group is mimicking it.

00:34:17.440 It's,

00:34:17.680 but like separately.

00:34:18.640 So it's almost as if the entities that are actually coming through to these

00:34:22.920 other people are hearing that story,

00:34:25.340 replicating it,

00:34:26.340 spreading it.

00:34:27.400 And it's just completely the fabrication,

00:34:29.520 but it seems powerful and it scares people.

00:34:32.380 And it's like,

00:34:34.120 it's non-local.

00:34:35.200 It's non-local intelligence.

00:34:38.240 Right?

00:34:38.860 Like Rupert Sheldrake did tons of experiments on this.

00:34:42.060 Tons of experiments.

00:34:43.800 Right?

00:34:44.680 And prayer,

00:34:46.880 like prayer is real.

00:34:49.560 This is not,

00:34:50.440 I think,

00:34:50.760 and this is yet another thing for me of why orthodoxy was when I was like,

00:34:55.740 Oh,

00:34:56.880 Oh,

00:34:57.240 that's Christianity.

00:34:58.920 Because I could never figure out,

00:35:01.440 you know,

00:35:01.880 I'm,

00:35:02.240 I'm half Mexican.

00:35:03.340 So like,

00:35:04.280 obviously Catholicism was there and then I'm half black.

00:35:07.400 So like the black church was there as well in my life.

00:35:10.440 And I,

00:35:10.900 and then,

00:35:11.520 you know,

00:35:11.920 I got involved in psychedelics in high school.

00:35:14.920 And then that always was a part of my life.

00:35:17.380 And like that trajectory,

00:35:18.840 even to like,

00:35:20.640 when I found Christianity,

00:35:21.660 I mean,

00:35:22.060 I was heavy into a like ayahuasca group went like before it was cool.

00:35:26.700 And I was drawing a lot from that.

00:35:30.860 And like,

00:35:31.220 I had had tons of experiences with real,

00:35:33.560 like what I would call demons.

00:35:35.220 Now,

00:35:35.860 the problem that I had was that.

00:35:39.380 That was the,

00:35:40.400 the reason I went down that path wasn't for any other reason,

00:35:44.380 except it was the only like spiritual tradition that I had encountered that

00:35:50.760 addressed the real world that I was experiencing with my eyes and ears.

00:35:54.680 Right.

00:35:57.360 That like,

00:35:57.940 Oh,

00:35:58.240 here I experienced this thing.

00:35:59.720 And then I'm like,

00:36:00.740 what is that?

00:36:01.740 And the ayahuasca shamans could talk to me about it.

00:36:03.900 And there was a tradition that they were speaking from.

00:36:06.900 I go to a Baptist minister and he's got nothing for me.

00:36:10.560 He'll probably tell me I didn't experience it.

00:36:13.040 And this is what,

00:36:13.720 this is what this show has kind of become exactly what you say.

00:36:16.840 It's it's every conversation always leads here.

00:36:19.240 I guess maybe we're like leading it by the nose,

00:36:20.800 but this is exactly what this is.

00:36:22.100 And I try not to be too hard on the modern church on the,

00:36:26.940 because I was,

00:36:27.940 I grew up in the church my whole life.

00:36:29.160 There's a lot of great people there.

00:36:30.220 I had falling outs too.

00:36:31.220 So I try to like temper my bias with it,

00:36:33.380 but it does leave you lacking in a lot of these areas.

00:36:37.660 And you know,

00:36:38.960 then where am I to search?

00:36:40.300 Like ayahuasca mushrooms,

00:36:42.180 find a shaman.

00:36:43.460 And what are you going to find there?

00:36:45.340 You know?

00:36:45.720 And by the way,

00:36:46.300 those,

00:36:46.700 those guides,

00:36:47.480 those shamans,

00:36:48.060 they can tell you quite a bit about your experience.

00:36:49.800 And quite a bit of it is true.

00:36:51.300 It's just the nature of what you're experiencing is what they,

00:36:54.140 they don't,

00:36:54.900 you know,

00:36:55.160 have a grasp on it.

00:36:55.980 They think it's something else.

00:36:57.380 And so,

00:36:58.140 yeah,

00:36:58.460 on one side,

00:36:59.060 there's no answers.

00:36:59.720 And on the other side,

00:37:00.480 there's a lot of answers.

00:37:02.180 And it's,

00:37:02.880 it's very troubling for people who come face to face with the realization that

00:37:06.420 this phenomenon is real.

00:37:08.040 It exists.

00:37:08.700 They've been told that doesn't exist,

00:37:10.000 right?

00:37:10.160 The materialistic paradigm of the West says,

00:37:11.880 no,

00:37:12.040 it's not true.

00:37:12.880 And where do you have to go?

00:37:14.140 Who do you have to turn to?

00:37:14.980 Some chicken and a bunch of crystals,

00:37:16.640 you know,

00:37:16.980 or a shaman in the Amazon because,

00:37:20.200 because the trick like,

00:37:21.440 and that's the,

00:37:22.100 that's the great trick.

00:37:23.860 That was the great trick.

00:37:25.260 The great trick was that,

00:37:26.800 I mean,

00:37:27.960 it's a masterful trick of the demons is that they were able to deliver

00:37:33.200 something called Christianity,

00:37:34.760 but without Christ.

00:37:36.920 And they were able to put it into the Western world.

00:37:40.240 And so then,

00:37:41.540 yeah.

00:37:41.720 So then you wind up with the only place you could go is to the East where

00:37:45.800 it's nothing but like far East,

00:37:48.700 right.

00:37:48.920 To go to India where it's basically nothing but demons.

00:37:52.060 Correct.

00:37:52.600 And it's like,

00:37:53.360 you're not,

00:37:54.220 because if you,

00:37:55.400 all of that,

00:37:56.220 there,

00:37:56.860 all the,

00:37:57.300 all those are real.

00:37:59.940 Like,

00:38:00.460 that's like dealing with ayahuasca.

00:38:02.480 Like she's a small G God,

00:38:05.060 goddess.

00:38:06.420 Right.

00:38:06.860 And the,

00:38:07.820 the Orthodox Christian church is like,

00:38:09.560 yeah,

00:38:10.360 those gods are,

00:38:11.220 that's why the Orthodox are like,

00:38:13.460 don't do yoga.

00:38:16.020 They're like,

00:38:16.700 you don't do yoga because it's like,

00:38:18.860 you're really going to channel.

00:38:20.680 It's a tool for channeling these small G gods,

00:38:24.620 these demons,

00:38:25.600 whether you know it or not,

00:38:27.640 you don't do yoga the same way you don't do Ouija,

00:38:30.620 a Ouija board.

00:38:31.860 You know what I mean?

00:38:32.860 Like this,

00:38:34.220 this,

00:38:34.820 these postures and this way of going and these mantras were designed to summon other gods.

00:38:42.240 Right.

00:38:42.720 I think it's like you're contorting your body into a little antenna sometimes too.

00:38:46.640 You know what I mean?

00:38:47.020 Like some of the positions and everything.

00:38:48.740 Yeah.

00:38:50.160 Well,

00:38:50.460 it comes,

00:38:51.200 it,

00:38:51.620 the reason those,

00:38:53.560 like those positions were not just like all spiritual things.

00:38:57.540 They were not invented.

00:38:58.620 They were discovered.

00:39:00.440 You know,

00:39:01.080 some Rishi in the mountains spent his entire life contorting his body until he came into a particular sequence that got him into contact with God better.

00:39:11.380 But that's the same way that the liturgy emerges.

00:39:15.480 Right.

00:39:16.020 Like the,

00:39:16.660 the,

00:39:17.120 the Orthodox Christian liturgy as it stands today is not what it was,

00:39:22.300 you know,

00:39:23.040 at the time of St.

00:39:23.780 John Chrysostom,

00:39:24.540 even though they call it the liturgy of St.

00:39:26.360 John Chrysostom.

00:39:27.200 It's not what he was celebrating in Constantinople.

00:39:29.600 There's been additional things added on.

00:39:32.120 And the church knows when those were added on and they know why.

00:39:35.180 And it was because they added it.

00:39:38.700 And it,

00:39:39.460 and the people were like,

00:39:40.440 Oh yeah.

00:39:41.080 Got them closer to God.

00:39:42.340 Miracles started happening.

00:39:43.680 More people got converted.

00:39:44.840 And they were like,

00:39:45.340 okay,

00:39:45.500 we leave that.

00:39:47.400 And then you go,

00:39:48.440 and then you go and you go and go.

00:39:49.980 And then somebody has a saint,

00:39:51.440 has a revelation where he starts adding this in a monastery,

00:39:54.500 starts adding this thing.

00:39:56.180 And that monastery is like,

00:39:58.020 it becomes a center of spirit.

00:39:59.320 And they're like,

00:39:59.760 what are you doing?

00:40:00.480 What are you doing here?

00:40:01.280 People go and they're like,

00:40:02.140 let me attend liturgy because you guys are really delivering on this.

00:40:05.220 Oh,

00:40:05.500 here's this other piece.

00:40:06.480 Let's go back and add that.

00:40:08.600 Right.

00:40:09.060 And so it's,

00:40:09.660 it's this series of revelations that are coming as the Holy spirit reveals

00:40:14.500 themselves.

00:40:15.220 Okay.

00:40:15.620 But when you ask ayahuasca shamans,

00:40:18.140 how on earth did you figure out this very precise way of brewing these two

00:40:25.260 plants to get this?

00:40:27.060 And they say,

00:40:27.660 Oh,

00:40:27.920 ayahuasca told us.

00:40:29.200 Yeah.

00:40:30.060 This is a phone.

00:40:31.880 And you go,

00:40:32.640 wait a second.

00:40:33.100 Wait a second.

00:40:34.200 That means ayahuasca is not in the brew.

00:40:38.120 Because if she told you before the brew was made,

00:40:41.440 that means she's not in the brew.

00:40:43.480 Where's the egg,

00:40:44.400 right?

00:40:44.600 That's the question.

00:40:45.620 Yeah.

00:40:46.020 The brew is just the brew is just the yoga posture.

00:40:49.940 Yeah.

00:40:50.480 The brew is just part of the liturgy.

00:40:53.140 It's just that particular prayer.

00:40:55.580 It's,

00:40:56.100 it's a,

00:40:56.560 it gets,

00:40:57.100 it's like,

00:40:58.100 it's the process to get to it.

00:41:00.380 And it's like,

00:41:00.960 we do this,

00:41:01.600 we do this with everything.

00:41:03.720 We do this with everything.

00:41:05.240 If you go on apprentice with the carpenter,

00:41:07.480 there's going to be a series of things that you're going to do.

00:41:10.180 And you're just not,

00:41:10.860 there's all this fluff that carpenters.

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00:41:42.800 tried and then discarded.

00:41:45.000 And what you've wound up with is like,

00:41:47.180 no,

00:41:47.500 just walk on this path.

00:41:48.760 This is the process to it.

00:41:50.220 Yes.

00:41:50.980 You know,

00:41:51.360 but never why.

00:41:53.540 It's never,

00:41:54.380 like my question is always the why.

00:41:56.300 We speak to a guy named Ed Mabry,

00:41:57.740 and he has a show called Faith by Reason,

00:41:59.620 or his ministry is Faith by Reason.

00:42:01.380 And it's like,

00:42:01.680 I'm the type of person that needs that.

00:42:04.060 And blessed are those who believe without seeing.

00:42:05.760 But like,

00:42:06.080 man,

00:42:06.320 me,

00:42:06.620 I need to know the nuts and bolts of it if I'm going to be in.

00:42:10.740 And it's a flaw of mine.

00:42:12.140 I'm working on it.

00:42:13.560 No,

00:42:13.760 you can't.

00:42:14.700 It's not a flaw.

00:42:16.060 It's like,

00:42:16.860 it's,

00:42:17.220 you're setting yourself up for destruction.

00:42:21.080 Because you're,

00:42:21.860 because you're asking to know,

00:42:23.680 you're asking the why of something that,

00:42:27.040 that there's no possible way for your conscious mind to comprehend the actual answer.

00:42:34.320 Well,

00:42:34.760 what I mean is like,

00:42:36.060 so my parents will say,

00:42:37.200 don't have sex before marriage,

00:42:38.440 right?

00:42:39.140 And I'm like,

00:42:39.600 I say,

00:42:39.980 why?

00:42:40.260 And they say,

00:42:40.600 well,

00:42:40.700 that's fornication.

00:42:41.920 And the Bible speaks against that.

00:42:43.320 And I was like,

00:42:43.620 feels good.

00:42:45.220 What's fornication mean?

00:42:46.720 It doesn't,

00:42:47.060 but nobody explains you fornication.

00:42:48.700 It's a spiritual sin.

00:42:50.240 You know,

00:42:50.520 this is easy.

00:42:51.760 Well,

00:42:51.960 this is easy.

00:42:52.660 Right.

00:42:53.180 So it's like,

00:42:53.880 just go back to the root.

00:42:55.080 So you can,

00:42:55.720 there's a document called the D-D-A-K,

00:42:57.680 right?

00:42:58.040 This is the original,

00:42:59.940 um,

00:43:01.580 catechetical document,

00:43:03.060 uh,

00:43:04.520 of the apostles.

00:43:06.400 So the church accepts this as the,

00:43:08.960 basically the document that the apostles would use to catechize new Christians.

00:43:13.440 The apostles themselves.

00:43:15.740 Right.

00:43:16.120 And it,

00:43:16.800 the opening words is there are two ways,

00:43:20.360 but a vast difference between them,

00:43:22.100 the way of life and the way of death.

00:43:24.140 It's that simple.

00:43:27.480 There's two ways.

00:43:29.600 There's the way of life and the way of death.

00:43:32.040 And so if you're like,

00:43:32.780 why shouldn't I,

00:43:33.620 why shouldn't I have a sex before marriage?

00:43:36.760 Right.

00:43:37.240 And somebody says that's fornication.

00:43:38.580 And no,

00:43:39.080 the answer is because if all of the marriage is there,

00:43:41.820 because it leads to life,

00:43:43.040 why does marriage lead to life?

00:43:45.240 Why would,

00:43:45.820 why would marriage be a path to life?

00:43:48.380 Whereas fornication would be a path to death because you play it out to what

00:43:52.260 if every single person was doing it?

00:43:54.580 You don't have to play it out.

00:43:56.100 Look at America.

00:43:57.120 Which society would live longer?

00:44:00.220 If there's two societies,

00:44:02.080 right?

00:44:02.300 Two groups of tribes.

00:44:03.920 And for the last three generations,

00:44:05.760 this tribe has had no marriage.

00:44:08.800 And this tribe has had strong monogamous marriage with a marriage tradition.

00:44:14.260 And they have to fight a war against each other.

00:44:16.720 Which one is going to win?

00:44:18.540 And which one is going to be wiped out?

00:44:20.420 There's no question.

00:44:22.020 You know,

00:44:22.620 I saw a video today,

00:44:23.740 not to do a tangent here,

00:44:25.060 but there was a couple of African tribes that had no word for the word

00:44:29.820 maintenance.

00:44:31.280 And,

00:44:31.540 and then you look at their,

00:44:32.760 they're like the British came here and they built a railroad and it's in

00:44:34.980 shambles.

00:44:35.480 They don't even have the concept for it.

00:44:37.240 So like,

00:44:38.120 this is exactly what you're talking about.

00:44:39.840 If there's no concept for this,

00:44:40.860 these things will deteriorate.

00:44:42.080 But what I'm saying is not,

00:44:43.820 not how do the inner workings of the universe work?

00:44:46.140 Like I'm not trying to get into a cult magic,

00:44:47.560 but nobody could even satisfactorily explain to me this concept,

00:44:51.320 which is fairly simple.

00:44:52.760 It should be taught everywhere,

00:44:54.800 choosing life and then extrapolate that down.

00:44:57.100 It's not really taught by many people.

00:44:59.180 I didn't hear it not until fairly recently.

00:45:02.620 Ask yourself this,

00:45:03.760 right?

00:45:04.980 If there's a church that calls itself Christian,

00:45:07.580 well,

00:45:08.000 this is one of the reasons why sola scriptura is such a like trick of the

00:45:12.680 devil.

00:45:14.200 Because if you can convince somebody that,

00:45:16.640 Oh,

00:45:16.720 don't look at anything except what's in the,

00:45:18.560 what's in this book,

00:45:19.240 the Bible.

00:45:20.880 Then,

00:45:21.380 and I'm like,

00:45:21.920 wait,

00:45:22.100 wait,

00:45:22.240 wait,

00:45:22.480 but this is the actual catechetical document that the apostles who are

00:45:26.160 talked about in the Bible were using.

00:45:27.720 And even the Bible says that there's so much more here.

00:45:30.140 So it's like,

00:45:31.340 no,

00:45:31.460 no,

00:45:31.540 no,

00:45:31.640 just stop right here.

00:45:33.960 Don't deal with any of the things that the knowledge and the wisdom of

00:45:38.100 people who actually knew Christ and then what they did in terms of like

00:45:42.440 their life and spreading the faith and all of this only pick this few

00:45:46.460 little things.

00:45:48.080 Then that's how you never get to the idea that,

00:45:50.660 Oh,

00:45:51.260 wait,

00:45:51.900 you're telling me that the guys who wrote the Bible also,

00:45:54.660 this is what they taught Christianity was the way of life and the way of

00:45:58.360 death.

00:45:58.880 How come I never heard that?

00:46:01.140 That's okay.

00:46:01.780 And it's like,

00:46:02.340 yes,

00:46:02.880 that's a fascinating thing that I'd actually like to hear a little bit more

00:46:06.200 about.

00:46:06.900 Cause it kind of plugs into just my own experience.

00:46:09.340 I'm,

00:46:09.760 I'm a relatively new Christian.

00:46:11.860 I,

00:46:11.960 my entire life I was sort of David,

00:46:14.380 we're not cutting the stream.

00:46:15.560 And they,

00:46:15.900 they,

00:46:16.420 although the Patriot members look,

00:46:17.760 no,

00:46:18.020 we're not cutting the stream today.

00:46:20.180 Very upset.

00:46:20.900 Yeah.

00:46:21.140 This needs to be heard.

00:46:22.400 Uh,

00:46:22.640 we'll,

00:46:23.060 we'll,

00:46:23.580 I don't even think it needs to be edited down,

00:46:25.120 but we'll figure it out later.

00:46:26.120 But so we'll let this,

00:46:26.960 if you,

00:46:27.280 if you're watching live,

00:46:28.180 enjoy,

00:46:28.800 enjoy.

00:46:29.480 You owe us,

00:46:30.520 you owe us $5 later.

00:46:35.020 So,

00:46:35.520 so,

00:46:35.880 okay.

00:46:36.420 My thing is,

00:46:37.560 um,

00:46:38.480 being new to Christianity.

00:46:40.900 Uh,

00:46:41.220 I I've always been a conspiracy theorist,

00:46:43.040 but there was a pivotal point in my life where I realized,

00:46:45.560 that the,

00:46:46.160 the biblical worldview was incredibly accurate and that it really helped to

00:46:49.720 understand a lot of this conspiracy and supernatural that I was looking at.

00:46:54.020 And so I moved in that direction.

00:46:56.260 And then this show started,

00:46:57.960 um,

00:46:58.880 not too long after that.

00:47:00.440 So very much what people are watching is like my journey into Christianity and

00:47:03.760 understanding the Bible and understanding Jesus and,

00:47:05.620 and all of these concepts.

00:47:07.520 Um,

00:47:08.000 but I've noticed that now that I'm on this,

00:47:10.760 it's a very,

00:47:11.520 uh,

00:47:12.180 uh,

00:47:12.620 narrow path,

00:47:13.760 right.

00:47:14.580 Um,

00:47:15.040 and if I,

00:47:15.860 if I should step one way,

00:47:17.260 then a whole,

00:47:18.360 a bunch of Christians freak out and call me a deceiver and all these different things.

00:47:22.920 If I should step the other way,

00:47:24.460 then a different group of,

00:47:25.660 of Christians will call me a deceiver.

00:47:27.580 I'm misleading a flock.

00:47:28.540 It's a lot of fun.

00:47:29.940 It's wild.

00:47:30.680 I've never experienced this before.

00:47:32.160 And,

00:47:32.600 um,

00:47:32.940 and I'm noticing now that like,

00:47:35.920 Oh,

00:47:36.160 now,

00:47:36.360 now that I've done this and I've said,

00:47:38.340 I do believe in Jesus Christ.

00:47:39.620 I believe that he came.

00:47:40.520 He is the son of God.

00:47:41.240 He died for our sins.

00:47:42.060 And he,

00:47:42.300 and he is the way,

00:47:43.220 the truth and the life.

00:47:44.320 And I believe that,

00:47:45.780 um,

00:47:46.200 the Bible is,

00:47:46.880 is worth,

00:47:48.120 you know,

00:47:48.620 tenaciously looking into and learning and all these different things.

00:47:51.200 Uh,

00:47:51.640 that is almost me saying to people.

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00:48:23.280 In some way that I will not absorb any other information now besides the Bible.

00:48:27.700 And if I,

00:48:28.200 if I do absorb any other information outside of it,

00:48:30.500 then I am,

00:48:31.580 you know,

00:48:32.400 just a misleader of the brethren or some crazy thing like that.

00:48:34.900 I never positioned myself as a leader of anybody.

00:48:36.900 I'm just trying to understand things.

00:48:38.440 So you're talking about how there are these other texts.

00:48:41.880 And,

00:48:42.200 um,

00:48:42.900 obviously,

00:48:43.400 you know,

00:48:43.580 on this show,

00:48:44.240 uh,

00:48:44.580 uh,

00:48:44.880 we've explored the extra canonical text too.

00:48:47.120 And,

00:48:47.320 you know,

00:48:47.620 those are extra canonical.

00:48:48.620 They're not inspired word of God.

00:48:50.440 Text is not important.

00:48:51.880 Like text,

00:48:52.620 like let's not start on texts,

00:48:54.700 right?

00:48:55.260 Because like the,

00:48:56.220 the church is not.

00:48:57.980 So there's a,

00:48:59.240 there's a great,

00:49:00.180 if people really want to understand the Orthodox church,

00:49:03.320 it's like the shortest thing,

00:49:04.820 but it's one of the great modern saints,

00:49:07.180 uh,

00:49:07.540 St.

00:49:07.780 Nikolai Velomirovich.

00:49:08.720 He's a Serbian and,

00:49:11.460 uh,

00:49:11.740 the title of this little,

00:49:13.080 it's like an excerpt,

00:49:14.060 but it's kind of a little essay.

00:49:15.380 The title is,

00:49:16.480 um,

00:49:17.480 Orthodoxy is a dramatic mystery.

00:49:20.180 And in it,

00:49:21.140 he,

00:49:21.340 one of the things that he says is he says,

00:49:23.260 um,

00:49:24.480 ours is not a book religion.

00:49:27.760 It's not even a learned religion.

00:49:30.540 Ours is a dramatic mystery because he's responding.

00:49:33.780 I think he's maybe presenting at a conference or something.

00:49:36.980 And he's saying that,

00:49:38.280 um,

00:49:38.720 he's,

00:49:39.700 he starts out by saying many Englishmen remark that the Bible is not often read in Slavic homes.

00:49:47.460 Like,

00:49:48.160 especially like very pious.

00:49:50.500 Right.

00:49:51.780 Um,

00:49:52.560 the,

00:49:53.780 the Bible is,

00:49:55.380 and,

00:49:55.920 and these other texts,

00:49:57.280 the texts of the fathers is the way is,

00:50:00.760 is a means by which we can judge what it is we are being taught in terms of the practices through the,

00:50:08.120 um,

00:50:08.820 through the tradition.

00:50:11.420 So the first thing to understand is that like the apostles didn't have the Bible.

00:50:18.080 Like the,

00:50:19.120 the church existed for 300 years without a Bible.

00:50:22.680 The Bible was not,

00:50:25.540 there is the canonical Bible didn't exist for the first 300 years of the church.

00:50:29.500 So you're talking about the apostles didn't have a Bible.

00:50:32.500 The people who were trained by the apostles and appointed bishops by the apostles didn't have a Bible.

00:50:37.960 The people that they appointed and were trained as bishops didn't have a Bible.

00:50:41.880 What they had was Christ and their experience with Christ.

00:50:46.280 Right.

00:50:47.160 And so it's the texts.

00:50:50.580 The texts are the record of that,

00:50:52.800 but the texts are the record of an experience.

00:50:56.280 So what it,

00:50:58.500 what we are called to have is we are called to have an experience with Christ,

00:51:02.260 but,

00:51:03.760 but the demons can also literally appear as Christ.

00:51:09.080 And that's the Orthodox tradition is full of the saints talking to people could go to a St.

00:51:13.840 Nesitas of Novgorod where,

00:51:15.540 where a demon shows up as an angel to him and actually tells him,

00:51:18.960 just go read the Bible.

00:51:20.180 Just go read the Bible.

00:51:22.360 Hmm.

00:51:23.980 You ever hear that story of Tila Tequila,

00:51:25.600 where she claims that she had intercourse with Jesus and that he appeared to her as a dragon.

00:51:30.300 And it's like,

00:51:31.040 well,

00:51:32.020 I don't know what it doesn't sound like Jesus to me,

00:51:34.060 dude.

00:51:35.320 Well,

00:51:35.800 let me tell you one that does sound like Jesus,

00:51:37.480 but how careful you got to be St.

00:51:38.740 Paisios.

00:51:40.980 So St.

00:51:41.680 Paisios,

00:51:42.360 one of the great modern saints,

00:51:44.120 he tells a story.

00:51:45.180 It's really kind of funny.

00:51:46.480 He tells a story about,

00:51:48.240 he had many experiences with Christ,

00:51:50.360 with demons,

00:51:51.000 with angels,

00:51:51.700 but in this one,

00:51:53.080 he's in his cell.

00:51:54.280 He,

00:51:54.480 he lived on Mount Athos.

00:51:56.260 I mean,

00:51:56.920 in terms of saints,

00:51:57.940 this guy is like top for the modern saints.

00:52:01.100 Lived on Mount Athos.

00:52:02.420 He said the ceiling of his cell,

00:52:06.640 you know,

00:52:06.840 his little shack,

00:52:07.680 whatever goes away.

00:52:10.400 Heavens open up singing angels.

00:52:13.660 Blonde Jesus comes down and he says,

00:52:17.820 Paisi,

00:52:19.880 you've been found to be so worthy through your piety.

00:52:24.700 You're worthy to look upon me.

00:52:27.160 You,

00:52:27.340 you are blessed among men.

00:52:29.200 And he goes,

00:52:30.200 oh,

00:52:31.740 I'm definitely not worthy to see Christ.

00:52:34.280 And all of a sudden,

00:52:35.000 boom,

00:52:35.280 it goes away.

00:52:35.880 Cause it was a demon.

00:52:37.600 Oh,

00:52:37.840 that's it.

00:52:38.940 This is a good question I have.

00:52:40.020 So obviously in the Bible,

00:52:41.260 it tells you to test the spirits.

00:52:43.260 What is the best way in?

00:52:45.420 Have you read anything about how?

00:52:47.060 That was it right there.

00:52:48.300 That was it.

00:52:48.780 Just call them on their,

00:52:49.680 on their nonsense.

00:52:51.060 No,

00:52:51.540 he didn't even call them on their nonsense.

00:52:53.040 He knew something about himself.

00:52:56.940 Humility.

00:52:58.760 So,

00:52:59.400 so as Orthodox people,

00:53:00.860 the two things that were really taught to pray for are,

00:53:03.580 it's about testing the demons,

00:53:05.260 right?

00:53:05.440 Because the whole,

00:53:06.520 for us,

00:53:07.140 life is nothing but spiritual warfare.

00:53:09.620 That's it.

00:53:11.920 And I mean,

00:53:12.740 we,

00:53:13.200 this is why,

00:53:14.120 you know,

00:53:14.320 we don't often read the,

00:53:15.620 the old Testament,

00:53:16.760 but the old Testament is all read during Holy week.

00:53:19.720 And like the important ones,

00:53:21.500 the most important,

00:53:22.500 of those to me,

00:53:24.840 from what I could tell going through it is Job.

00:53:28.680 Right?

00:53:29.160 Because that's the,

00:53:30.080 it's,

00:53:30.360 it's like a,

00:53:31.000 a microcosm of the spiritual warfare,

00:53:33.280 but it's over one man,

00:53:34.820 the devil and God,

00:53:35.800 right?

00:53:36.000 And the devil is going to take everything away,

00:53:37.940 but the devil doesn't always take everything away.

00:53:40.000 He'll also give you that.

00:53:41.600 So I experienced that myself,

00:53:42.920 right?

00:53:43.980 Like I've said,

00:53:44.580 I've led a charm life.

00:53:46.480 So it's like what we were talking about before Cyprian.

00:53:49.500 It's like where like,

00:53:51.560 we're constantly asking ourself that question.

00:53:54.300 Am I going in the right direction?

00:53:56.120 And I had a discussion with a friend of mine.

00:53:58.940 I said,

00:53:59.220 well,

00:53:59.380 you know,

00:53:59.580 doors keep opening.

00:54:00.960 I'm not,

00:54:01.540 I'm not asking for these things,

00:54:02.760 but it seems like I'm being led to go this way.

00:54:05.060 And he's like,

00:54:05.800 he told me,

00:54:06.240 he said,

00:54:06.420 Hey man,

00:54:06.680 maybe that door is opening to your demise.

00:54:08.220 And it's like,

00:54:08.720 yeah,

00:54:08.860 that's actually a possibility.

00:54:10.140 Don't go past the door opening because it's super,

00:54:16.380 super important.

00:54:18.760 This is one of the big things that Father Turbo taught me that I was like,

00:54:24.140 Whoa,

00:54:24.540 one of the most powerful aspects of my prayer life is,

00:54:28.140 so we pray for discernment and humility.

00:54:31.140 Those are the two things.

00:54:32.260 Discernment is to tell what,

00:54:34.720 again,

00:54:35.100 to judge the path.

00:54:36.620 And then humility is to accept when it's God's will.

00:54:39.980 But he said,

00:54:40.540 the thing to pray for is you pray for God to close the doors that are not

00:54:47.240 supposed to be open.

00:54:50.140 So you talk about,

00:54:51.160 that's what I ask.

00:54:52.500 Yes.

00:54:53.020 I constantly ask.

00:54:54.780 Yes.

00:54:55.300 If I'm,

00:54:55.680 if I'm doing the wrong thing,

00:54:56.800 like I said,

00:54:57.220 I don't say close the door.

00:54:58.080 I say,

00:54:58.260 slap me down.

00:54:58.940 Like,

00:54:59.240 yo,

00:54:59.520 just make it obviously discouraging.

00:55:03.280 Yes.

00:55:03.880 That's it.

00:55:04.420 Well,

00:55:04.620 it's,

00:55:04.840 it's the same,

00:55:05.400 it's the same idea.

00:55:06.360 Right.

00:55:06.740 But since,

00:55:07.500 since,

00:55:08.080 you know,

00:55:08.420 in your thought process,

00:55:09.700 you're already like,

00:55:10.760 Hey,

00:55:10.900 I'm seeing doors open,

00:55:12.940 you know,

00:55:13.780 key in on that because there's,

00:55:15.300 there's already a concept and a pattern and all of that that's inside of

00:55:19.800 you to be like,

00:55:21.220 okay.

00:55:21.800 And that's where we pray for humility because the way that you know,

00:55:25.520 the demons is the demons give you what you want.

00:55:28.360 God gives you what you need because Christ asked us to bear our cross.

00:55:33.140 Right.

00:55:34.620 Now,

00:55:35.760 my own experience has been this.

00:55:38.840 My own experience has been what Christ gives me is always better than I could have imagined.

00:55:48.720 It always fulfills whatever I wanted,

00:55:53.800 but I realized that if he would have given me what I wanted,

00:55:57.680 it wouldn't have been as good.

00:55:59.940 Right.

00:56:00.380 It's almost like I'm,

00:56:01.960 I'm saying that I'm saying,

00:56:03.860 I'm thinking I need a car.

00:56:05.080 And I'm like,

00:56:05.620 what if I could just have a Honda civic?

00:56:07.200 And if I'm just like working,

00:56:08.640 working,

00:56:08.940 working towards a Honda civic,

00:56:10.060 but God's like,

00:56:11.380 yo,

00:56:11.620 if you will just back off,

00:56:13.180 I got a Lamborghini being shipped on a boat.

00:56:16.960 That's kind of,

00:56:17.640 it's coming for you and it's yours,

00:56:19.880 but you just got to back off wanting that Honda civic so bad.

00:56:25.620 Like,

00:56:26.040 cause I don't,

00:56:26.500 that's not what I have for you.

00:56:28.340 I have something so much better.

00:56:30.000 So you just got to rock with me.

00:56:31.520 And I'm like,

00:56:32.240 no,

00:56:32.540 no.

00:56:32.780 And he's like,

00:56:33.220 no,

00:56:33.520 I'm closing off the thing on the Honda civic side.

00:56:36.040 I'm like,

00:56:36.740 no,

00:56:37.660 why are you doing this?

00:56:38.860 God,

00:56:39.400 let me have it.

00:56:40.240 And he's like,

00:56:40.680 dude,

00:56:40.920 chill,

00:56:42.620 chill.

00:56:43.880 And that has been,

00:56:45.680 that's the experience that brought me to orthodoxy.

00:56:50.580 Like,

00:56:51.040 it's not the experience that I had because I like believed something.

00:56:54.240 And that's like prosperity gospel BS.

00:56:58.000 This is the experience that I was having with Christ where with my heart,

00:57:02.480 I was reaching out to be like,

00:57:03.960 what's happening right now.

00:57:05.720 I'm engaging with Christ.

00:57:07.280 I don't know how to engage with him.

00:57:09.520 I wasn't in the church,

00:57:10.900 but it was delivering in this weird way.

00:57:14.260 And my life was becoming better.

00:57:16.920 Right.

00:57:17.520 And then he brought a priest into my life.

00:57:20.340 And that priest was like,

00:57:21.860 perfect for me.

00:57:22.720 Like literally perfect for me.

00:57:25.980 Like grew up blocks away from where I grew up.

00:57:30.080 You know what I mean?

00:57:30.940 Had such similar experiences in my own life.

00:57:33.960 And it was like,

00:57:34.560 what is happening?

00:57:37.140 What is happening right now?

00:57:39.240 And so then it's,

00:57:40.140 but this is what you say that it's like the incontrovertible truth.

00:57:44.420 I was just having a conversation,

00:57:45.880 you know,

00:57:46.300 and it's appropriate.

00:57:48.220 It's appropriate because the time that we're at in the liturgical calendar,

00:57:50.980 uh,

00:57:51.740 with the resurrection,

00:57:52.480 but you know,

00:57:53.460 this story in John of,

00:57:55.660 you know,

00:57:55.940 doubting Thomas,

00:57:56.960 they say,

00:57:57.360 Oh,

00:57:57.460 don't,

00:57:57.780 don't be a doubting Thomas.

00:57:58.940 But we like really look at Thomas,

00:58:00.660 right?

00:58:00.920 Like Thomas is the guy who's not there in the like secret room that they're,

00:58:05.400 that all the apostles are hiding,

00:58:06.580 scared in.

00:58:07.000 Like he's,

00:58:07.580 he's obviously a brave guy.

00:58:09.600 I think he probably went out to get supplies or whatever when everybody else is

00:58:12.520 hiding.

00:58:12.980 So he's not,

00:58:13.640 I actually am not familiar with it.

00:58:15.660 Would you mind?

00:58:16.680 Um,

00:58:17.000 yeah,

00:58:17.240 sure.

00:58:17.660 Explaining it.

00:58:18.500 Yes,

00:58:18.980 absolutely.

00:58:19.500 So,

00:58:20.000 uh,

00:58:20.200 this is called the Johanine Pentecost.

00:58:22.720 So John is,

00:58:24.100 John is different in some of the stories of,

00:58:26.900 uh,

00:58:27.220 of what happens than the other three gospels.

00:58:30.420 The other three gospels are kind of like exactly the same story.

00:58:33.140 And John has,

00:58:34.500 is like,

00:58:35.700 and it's the same John that wrote the book of revelation,

00:58:37.800 right?

00:58:38.120 So it's,

00:58:38.600 it's a,

00:58:38.940 it's a little more mystical.

00:58:41.380 Like John is the really mystical gospel.

00:58:43.980 So in the Johanine Pentecost,

00:58:46.660 uh,

00:58:47.400 they show up to clean Jesus's body after three days,

00:58:51.160 right?

00:58:51.600 This is a,

00:58:52.180 this is the story.

00:58:52.900 They show up,

00:58:53.900 the rock has been moved from the tomb.

00:58:55.700 They go in and then,

00:58:59.040 uh,

00:59:00.360 they,

00:59:00.700 there's,

00:59:01.100 there's,

00:59:01.600 they start weeping.

00:59:02.500 There's no body,

00:59:03.260 but somehow they don't notice that there's like somebody just standing over there.

00:59:08.120 And they're like,

00:59:08.680 ah,

00:59:08.840 don't,

00:59:09.280 don't,

00:59:09.380 don't,

00:59:09.760 don't weep.

00:59:10.280 He's risen.

00:59:11.160 And then the women all leave except for Mary Magdalene.

00:59:14.780 And then she thinks that this character is like a caretaker.

00:59:19.220 And then he starts talking to her and he's like,

00:59:21.480 Mary,

00:59:22.260 Mary,

00:59:22.620 Mary,

00:59:22.860 Mary,

00:59:23.020 you don't recognize.

00:59:24.380 And then she hears his voice and she's like,

00:59:26.020 Oh,

00:59:26.220 Jesus.

00:59:29.040 Like it's you.

00:59:30.420 Right.

00:59:30.900 So then first the like main apostles,

00:59:33.200 like Peter and that they bring them,

00:59:34.500 then they realize it.

00:59:36.200 Then Mary runs off.

00:59:37.640 Mary Magdalene.

00:59:38.320 She runs off.

00:59:39.180 The apostles are all hiding because they're scared.

00:59:41.460 I mean,

00:59:41.680 look,

00:59:41.920 their leader just got executed.

00:59:43.760 Right.

00:59:44.180 So they're totally scared that like they're next and they would all be

00:59:47.080 martyred.

00:59:47.780 Right.

00:59:48.080 They were all going to be killed by the government eventually.

00:59:51.240 Um,

00:59:51.960 so she goes,

00:59:53.060 she goes to the room where they're at.

00:59:54.220 She tells them there that they don't believe it.

00:59:57.300 They're like,

00:59:57.660 get out of here.

00:59:58.240 This didn't happen.

00:59:59.080 And then he shows up.

01:00:01.380 He like walks through the wall and shows up in this room to them.

01:00:05.380 But Thomas isn't there.

01:00:08.140 And so they all believe.

01:00:09.780 So now basically all the apostles believe and they've seen him except for

01:00:15.820 Thomas.

01:00:17.560 And Thomas shows back up and Thomas is like,

01:00:20.940 yeah,

01:00:22.200 I don't know.

01:00:24.220 So they're like,

01:00:25.260 he,

01:00:25.460 he came in the flesh.

01:00:26.760 Like he had the wounds and he's like,

01:00:28.580 man,

01:00:28.920 how do you know that somebody is not trying to like trick us?

01:00:31.720 I would need to like,

01:00:33.340 did you go up?

01:00:33.920 Did you feel the wounds?

01:00:35.320 Did you put your hands in the wounds?

01:00:37.280 And they're like,

01:00:37.740 no,

01:00:38.020 no,

01:00:38.260 it's,

01:00:38.520 I mean,

01:00:38.740 it's,

01:00:39.000 it was him.

01:00:39.540 It was totally him.

01:00:40.340 And he's like,

01:00:41.480 no,

01:00:41.660 cause I guess he's looking a little bit different.

01:00:43.440 This is the story that we get in all the gospels that like,

01:00:46.060 there's something different about him and they don't immediately

01:00:48.300 recognize him.

01:00:49.120 They only recognize him later.

01:00:50.220 Right.

01:00:50.460 So this is a mystery.

01:00:51.640 We don't know what this is,

01:00:52.600 but this is the story as it,

01:00:53.920 as it takes place.

01:00:55.740 So then Thomas is there and then Christ shows back up.

01:00:59.480 So they call him doubting Thomas because he doubted,

01:01:01.900 but like they don't continue on because if they continued on,

01:01:06.220 then that tells you about the nature of Christ.

01:01:08.060 Because often what people who have had a falling out with Christianity say is

01:01:14.280 that their experience with Christianity was that,

01:01:18.040 well,

01:01:18.200 and it's kind of like,

01:01:18.880 as you said,

01:01:19.320 lobster was like,

01:01:20.180 there's no answers.

01:01:23.520 They just are like,

01:01:24.600 don't do it because you're not supposed to do it.

01:01:26.800 You're supposed to have a kind of a blind faith and a belief.

01:01:29.220 And that's what draws people away from Christianity,

01:01:31.360 but that's not Christianity because when Christ shows back up and Thomas is

01:01:36.780 there,

01:01:37.620 Christ doesn't say,

01:01:38.940 don't believe in me.

01:01:40.760 Right.

01:01:41.260 At the end,

01:01:42.060 he says,

01:01:43.020 blessed are those who believe,

01:01:44.300 but they haven't seen.

01:01:46.380 But in between that,

01:01:48.140 he goes,

01:01:48.800 okay,

01:01:49.680 put your hands in the wounds.

01:01:51.080 Yeah.

01:01:51.240 Feel the wounds.

01:01:51.900 Yeah.

01:01:52.060 If that's what you need from me to believe,

01:01:56.660 then here I am.

01:01:58.380 If you need the proof,

01:01:59.460 I give you the proof.

01:02:00.700 Put your hands in the wounds.

01:02:02.680 Now,

01:02:02.860 the trade-off is this.

01:02:04.360 If you ask for the proof,

01:02:07.260 see,

01:02:07.560 the reason why,

01:02:08.220 this is the thing,

01:02:09.000 the reason why you're blessed,

01:02:11.600 like blessed like lucky,

01:02:13.600 because the reason why you're blessed,

01:02:15.420 if you believe without the proof,

01:02:18.460 is that your payment,

01:02:22.060 your reciprocal payment is much less.

01:02:25.640 Because Thomas needed the proof,

01:02:27.860 but then he went farther than any of the apostles.

01:02:30.900 He went to India.

01:02:32.300 He went to China.

01:02:33.540 When the Portuguese showed up to India,

01:02:36.080 into Malabar,

01:02:37.680 and they had the cross,

01:02:40.200 the people were like,

01:02:41.380 oh,

01:02:42.780 oh,

01:02:43.060 we know that.

01:02:44.500 That's like the,

01:02:45.880 these people who live over here.

01:02:47.140 And they were like,

01:02:47.940 what,

01:02:48.180 what,

01:02:48.340 what are you talking about?

01:02:49.840 We just got here.

01:02:51.840 We're coming here converting Asia.

01:02:53.540 What do you mean the people who live over here?

01:02:55.320 And they were like,

01:02:56.020 yeah,

01:02:56.180 yeah,

01:02:56.300 yeah,

01:02:56.440 yeah,

01:02:56.580 yeah.

01:02:56.740 Go over there.

01:02:57.820 They call them Thomas Christians today.

01:02:59.400 They're in,

01:02:59.900 they're,

01:03:00.360 they're in communion with Rome,

01:03:01.520 but he went over there.

01:03:02.700 They were doing the Syriac,

01:03:03.780 right?

01:03:06.440 The people that Thomas had converted that,

01:03:08.760 I actually went to school with one of her.

01:03:10.740 Last name was Malancharyville,

01:03:12.000 which is a big,

01:03:12.980 and she was like,

01:03:13.800 yeah,

01:03:13.960 we're Catholics.

01:03:14.640 And I was like,

01:03:15.180 what are you talking about?

01:03:16.400 And that she was like,

01:03:18.360 yeah,

01:03:18.480 we've been Catholics for thousands of years.

01:03:20.220 And I was like,

01:03:20.720 what are you talking about?

01:03:23.080 Because Thomas went all the way to India.

01:03:25.500 So it's like,

01:03:26.260 you'll get proof,

01:03:28.680 but be prepared.

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01:03:56.880 He'll give you proof,

01:04:01.120 but what you owe for that proof

01:04:04.400 is that now that you have proof,

01:04:06.040 you don't get to deny him anymore

01:04:07.600 and you got to go the full way.

01:04:09.420 That is something.

01:04:10.920 Fascinating.

01:04:11.620 It's something I think about a lot.

01:04:12.980 Like we read a lot of spiritual encounters

01:04:15.360 and I may have had some,

01:04:17.580 but like some people have things

01:04:18.940 that are really profound.

01:04:20.380 And some people will even say,

01:04:21.880 I want to have that.

01:04:23.120 But when I think about it,

01:04:24.500 I go,

01:04:25.000 no,

01:04:25.180 that's exactly what I say.

01:04:26.880 I'm like,

01:04:27.440 I'm good.

01:04:28.340 I believe it,

01:04:29.280 but I'm good.

01:04:30.360 I don't need to experience these things.

01:04:33.560 David has some crazy experiences,

01:04:35.000 but like,

01:04:35.680 exactly.

01:04:36.280 So like,

01:04:36.520 I don't have to go as far.

01:04:37.620 I'm not going to India.

01:04:38.340 It smells.

01:04:38.840 It's horrible.

01:04:39.420 Well,

01:04:39.740 you know what it sounds like to me

01:04:41.340 that,

01:04:42.500 not to be self-aggrandizing,

01:04:44.920 but that sounds so much like

01:04:46.420 what I went through

01:04:47.400 because like I said,

01:04:48.320 for years,

01:04:48.980 I was just looking at this conspiracy realm

01:04:51.360 and trying to,

01:04:52.600 you know,

01:04:52.900 sift through it,

01:04:53.400 find the truth.

01:04:53.980 Who's in control?

01:04:55.040 Who's what baddies are pulling the strings?

01:04:57.120 And then,

01:04:57.800 yeah,

01:04:57.940 I had a horrifying experience,

01:05:00.380 an absolutely horrifying experience

01:05:01.900 that I couldn't quantify

01:05:02.780 that my wife saw,

01:05:04.080 that my son saw,

01:05:04.900 that I saw.

01:05:05.760 And the only thing that rectified

01:05:07.320 that situation

01:05:08.160 was calling on Christ

01:05:09.280 in,

01:05:09.680 in quite a desperate way.

01:05:11.880 Um,

01:05:12.340 I had never done so before.

01:05:13.560 And then after that,

01:05:15.360 um,

01:05:15.800 not only did I feel,

01:05:17.620 I felt beholden.

01:05:19.260 I felt like I owed

01:05:20.520 a significant debt

01:05:21.780 and,

01:05:22.740 and that if I were to

01:05:24.100 denounce Christ

01:05:25.500 or,

01:05:26.040 or,

01:05:27.020 you know,

01:05:27.380 suddenly rest on my laurels

01:05:29.500 and be like,

01:05:29.840 I don't know,

01:05:30.260 is he real?

01:05:30.700 You know what I mean?

01:05:31.120 Like,

01:05:31.400 like,

01:05:31.740 um,

01:05:32.400 I was shown in such a way

01:05:33.940 that it was definitive

01:05:34.640 in that moment.

01:05:35.500 And I,

01:05:35.880 and I felt like I had to remember

01:05:37.080 that moment forever

01:05:37.780 because I didn't have any doubts

01:05:39.040 in that moment.

01:05:40.040 I was so desperate

01:05:41.240 that doubt was removed

01:05:42.940 from the equation.

01:05:43.760 So how dare I do it

01:05:45.060 in the future?

01:05:46.180 Um,

01:05:46.540 and now it almost seems like,

01:05:48.880 yeah,

01:05:49.000 and here's your bag.

01:05:49.740 Now you have to talk to,

01:05:50.780 you know,

01:05:51.340 tens of thousands people,

01:05:52.140 tens of thousands of people,

01:05:53.580 um,

01:05:54.360 uh,

01:05:54.860 about Christ,

01:05:55.700 I guess is,

01:05:56.640 is that's essentially

01:05:57.780 what happened.

01:05:58.480 It was,

01:05:58.820 uh,

01:05:59.280 a lot of what I started doing

01:06:01.060 just in the beginning

01:06:01.700 of the show

01:06:02.200 was just sharing my testimony,

01:06:04.000 just talking about

01:06:05.180 my experience.

01:06:06.680 And,

01:06:07.080 you know,

01:06:07.720 people would say things to me,

01:06:09.020 especially in the beginning,

01:06:09.800 like,

01:06:10.160 oh,

01:06:10.860 um,

01:06:11.860 uh,

01:06:12.200 I want to believe Jesus,

01:06:13.560 but I,

01:06:14.600 I'm not there yet.

01:06:15.640 And,

01:06:16.100 and it was almost like a,

01:06:17.440 give me some information

01:06:18.340 that could help.

01:06:18.900 And I'm like,

01:06:19.120 I have no information,

01:06:19.960 baby.

01:06:20.300 I just have my story.

01:06:21.720 I can tell you what I went through

01:06:23.280 and,

01:06:23.840 and maybe that'll mean something

01:06:25.000 to you,

01:06:25.440 but I can't,

01:06:26.960 my walk was so weird.

01:06:28.940 Um,

01:06:29.440 and,

01:06:30.040 and almost embarrassing,

01:06:31.160 right?

01:06:31.480 Because it's like,

01:06:32.240 I was sifting through

01:06:33.880 old dirty boxes

01:06:35.500 in the back of the church

01:06:36.460 instead of like realizing

01:06:37.800 the front of it

01:06:39.200 made a lot more sense.

01:06:40.320 I,

01:06:40.520 you know,

01:06:40.680 I was just going through

01:06:41.400 old conspiracy,

01:06:42.820 but yeah,

01:06:43.440 that,

01:06:43.580 that resonates with me a lot.

01:06:45.600 He's,

01:06:46.060 he's,

01:06:46.340 he's in all parts of the church,

01:06:47.820 right?

01:06:48.660 We,

01:06:48.840 we come,

01:06:49.520 we come in the way that we,

01:06:50.940 it's funny that you mentioned

01:06:52.160 what your experience is

01:06:53.200 because,

01:06:53.580 and it's,

01:06:53.960 it feels full circle,

01:06:55.140 especially given kind of

01:06:56.360 the,

01:06:57.520 the history of how,

01:06:58.540 like,

01:06:58.980 I was introduced to you

01:07:00.080 top last days.

01:07:01.660 You know,

01:07:02.300 that's the,

01:07:02.800 that's the,

01:07:03.360 that's the story of,

01:07:04.940 of my patron,

01:07:05.820 St. Cyprian of Antioch.

01:07:07.200 I was going to ask you that.

01:07:08.300 I want to know how you got that.

01:07:10.020 Because I remember Dave Smith

01:07:11.460 was like,

01:07:12.140 uh,

01:07:12.620 he named himself after a saint.

01:07:14.960 And I was like,

01:07:16.080 well,

01:07:16.480 you got a biblical name too,

01:07:17.840 David.

01:07:19.560 Who are you?

01:07:20.240 Who are you named after?

01:07:21.340 A Jewish guy named David.

01:07:23.720 You know what I'm saying?

01:07:24.540 I'm like,

01:07:24.880 what are you,

01:07:25.380 what are you talking about?

01:07:26.800 No,

01:07:27.380 St. Cyprian of Antioch.

01:07:30.240 So I'll just tell you the story

01:07:31.620 of St. Cyprian of Antioch

01:07:32.520 because it's a very cool name.

01:07:33.680 So my,

01:07:34.280 my spiritual father gave me that name.

01:07:36.760 So when you're baptized,

01:07:37.640 you know,

01:07:37.820 you have a baptizable name.

01:07:39.020 Some people already have a Christian name

01:07:40.720 and so they just keep it.

01:07:42.480 Um,

01:07:42.900 but I would,

01:07:44.240 I didn't know what mine would be.

01:07:46.620 And he just said,

01:07:47.620 you're St. Cyprian of Antioch.

01:07:49.720 So St. Cyprian was a,

01:07:52.640 um,

01:07:53.980 he was a sorcerer.

01:07:55.120 Um,

01:07:55.560 and actually what's,

01:07:58.680 one of the interesting things about,

01:08:00.460 uh,

01:08:01.420 Cyprian is that in occult circles,

01:08:05.120 uh,

01:08:06.620 his,

01:08:07.280 his works,

01:08:08.120 because like the,

01:08:09.020 the books that he wrote and everything are,

01:08:10.900 are used for black magic still.

01:08:12.900 So he's an interesting character in that regard.

01:08:15.240 And the main church where his right arm is,

01:08:18.960 um,

01:08:20.700 I believe it's in Budapest.

01:08:23.160 It's either Budapest or Bucharest.

01:08:24.620 I want to say it's,

01:08:25.520 I want to say it's in Budapest,

01:08:26.860 but,

01:08:27.580 um,

01:08:28.600 still to this day,

01:08:29.580 practitioners of black magic will go and like,

01:08:31.980 it's got all kinds of like wood carved out of the church and stuff.

01:08:35.000 Cause they'll just go and like carve a piece of the wall out and use it in a spell or something like that.

01:08:39.040 So he's an interesting,

01:08:40.820 he's an interesting character because he's like playing both sides still in a way,

01:08:46.160 but it makes him very powerful.

01:08:47.460 He ended as a martyr,

01:08:48.700 right?

01:08:49.020 So Solomon almost,

01:08:50.200 right?

01:08:50.960 Yeah,

01:08:51.140 kind of,

01:08:51.740 kind of.

01:08:52.520 I mean,

01:08:52.740 so his story is he was trained up as a,

01:08:55.420 as a pagan sorcerer taken all over.

01:09:00.000 He came from a very wealthy family,

01:09:01.560 uh,

01:09:02.440 and like even was taught to conjure demons.

01:09:04.660 He said that he even basically met Lucifer.

01:09:07.280 Like he was able to conjure him and he,

01:09:08.920 he met him and,

01:09:09.840 and communed with them.

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01:09:39.500 The confession,

01:09:40.620 the confession of St.

01:09:41.800 Cyprian is like,

01:09:42.540 you can go and read it.

01:09:43.500 Like there's a,

01:09:44.040 he wrote a confession,

01:09:45.160 um,

01:09:46.220 of this,

01:09:46.720 but his story is that he was in Antioch and there was a very pious,

01:09:52.520 and this kind of goes to the whole idea of texts and all of that.

01:09:55.080 There was this very pious young virgin named Eustina.

01:09:58.880 And she's just a pious virgin.

01:10:01.500 She prays.

01:10:02.200 She does the whole thing.

01:10:03.340 She's not like educated or anything like that.

01:10:06.320 And,

01:10:06.720 um,

01:10:07.740 there's she,

01:10:08.320 but she's very beautiful.

01:10:09.640 And there's this really wealthy kind of young guy who's been trying to woo her,

01:10:14.100 but he's sort of a dick and she doesn't like him and she's staying chased.

01:10:17.800 And he's really like,

01:10:18.800 he wants her bad,

01:10:20.160 right?

01:10:21.100 Spoiled rich kid.

01:10:22.220 And so when it all fails,

01:10:24.580 he goes to Cyprian and he's like,

01:10:26.500 Hey,

01:10:26.740 I've heard that you can make women fall in love with men and stuff.

01:10:29.480 Here's money.

01:10:30.080 And Cyprian's like,

01:10:30.980 no problem.

01:10:31.980 Got it.

01:10:32.660 Right?

01:10:32.940 So he starts doing all the spells on her and she's just killing it with the sign of the

01:10:37.700 cross.

01:10:38.100 Like every time something comes,

01:10:39.720 he's tempting her.

01:10:40.420 He's doing bad,

01:10:41.660 good,

01:10:41.980 whatever it is.

01:10:42.960 Sign of the cross.

01:10:43.820 Boom.

01:10:44.100 Done.

01:10:44.360 Goes into prayer.

01:10:45.260 Boom.

01:10:45.580 Done.

01:10:45.980 Right?

01:10:46.200 Even things to bring up lust in her sign of the cross.

01:10:49.000 He's just getting defeated by this simple,

01:10:51.660 poor virgin who has no view of theology,

01:10:54.820 no nothing.

01:10:55.560 She's just got,

01:10:56.300 what does she got?

01:10:56.920 She got the sign of the cross and just praying.

01:10:58.700 She's probably not even doing formal prayers,

01:11:01.360 right?

01:11:01.720 She's just reaching out to God with her heart and she's killing the sorcerer.

01:11:05.940 He puts a pestilence on the city,

01:11:08.940 right?

01:11:09.140 She,

01:11:10.320 through prayer,

01:11:11.060 like gets it away.

01:11:12.640 So finally he summons,

01:11:14.180 it says he summons a prince of hell.

01:11:15.660 So he's summoning like one of the big demons to go.

01:11:20.220 And he flies over there himself and pretends to be somebody.

01:11:23.520 He does all these things.

01:11:24.480 So finally he sends a prince of hell to go over that,

01:11:29.100 that still nothing to her.

01:11:31.780 Boom.

01:11:32.140 Got it.

01:11:32.540 Sign of the cross.

01:11:34.180 So the demon comes back and Ciprian is just,

01:11:38.020 he's beside himself.

01:11:39.340 His reputation as a sorcerer has been ruined and he starts railing on the

01:11:44.400 demon,

01:11:45.280 right?

01:11:45.880 You're worthless.

01:11:46.960 You're nothing.

01:11:47.760 You have no power.

01:11:49.280 This little girl over here is just kicking your butt,

01:11:52.740 everything.

01:11:53.120 So the demon attacks him,

01:11:54.900 right?

01:11:56.280 The demon attacks him and it's strangling him and it's going to kill him.

01:12:00.280 And just like you said,

01:12:01.880 he didn't know what else to do except call upon Christ.

01:12:05.440 And he had never done it before.

01:12:06.800 And he does the sign of the cross that he's seen you seem to do and the

01:12:10.100 demon gone.

01:12:11.040 And so the next day,

01:12:14.660 the next day,

01:12:15.880 he goes to the Bishop of Antioch and he's like,

01:12:18.580 teach me,

01:12:20.540 catechize me.

01:12:21.180 And the Bishop says,

01:12:23.580 well,

01:12:25.000 you're going to have to go burn all your books.

01:12:27.640 He's like,

01:12:28.140 I'll do it.

01:12:28.560 He goes,

01:12:28.840 he burns all his books.

01:12:30.180 Right.

01:12:30.980 But,

01:12:31.180 and here we get into the Thomas,

01:12:32.460 you got to go further.

01:12:33.480 Right.

01:12:33.900 So then he's in his first liturgy.

01:12:37.820 And at that time,

01:12:39.420 is this why liturgy is,

01:12:40.960 is this why the Orthodox church,

01:12:42.280 uh,

01:12:42.880 within their baptism,

01:12:44.200 they it's,

01:12:44.540 it's also like an exorcism.

01:12:45.820 Like this guy had probably had to get some stuff out of him.

01:12:49.120 Well,

01:12:49.520 the exorcist,

01:12:50.160 the exorcism is for everybody,

01:12:51.860 right?

01:12:52.220 Because we're a house of spirits.

01:12:54.060 We're,

01:12:54.220 we're a house of spirits.

01:12:56.240 And so we have,

01:12:57.660 we have always demonic like influence about us.

01:13:01.680 And so it's just to make sure that we are clean,

01:13:04.020 then baptized and the Holy spirit is filled.

01:13:06.660 And then they seal that.

01:13:08.120 Then,

01:13:08.320 then you're sealed,

01:13:09.320 right?

01:13:10.800 You're anointed and you're sealed.

01:13:12.300 The gates are sealed to seal,

01:13:14.960 to seal the Holy spirit in and not leave.

01:13:17.100 So now the Holy spirit is operating within you.

01:13:19.220 Whereas before he was without,

01:13:20.560 this is a,

01:13:21.240 this is not like a belief thing because I experienced it.

01:13:24.260 And it was,

01:13:24.840 it's,

01:13:25.360 there's a real difference.

01:13:26.860 Everybody,

01:13:27.660 it's like,

01:13:27.960 there's a real difference.

01:13:28.760 So the thing with Cyprian is deals with baptism,

01:13:31.580 right?

01:13:32.340 He goes in.

01:13:33.400 It's funny that you mentioned baptism because that's exactly what happens next is that if

01:13:37.600 you are not a baptized Christian,

01:13:40.640 if you are a catech,

01:13:41.560 a catechumen at this time,

01:13:42.860 you can only stay for half of the liturgy.

01:13:45.420 So the part where the Eucharist and communion is you,

01:13:48.440 you have to leave even still in the liturgy,

01:13:50.780 it says catechumens depart.

01:13:52.140 The church generally doesn't have them depart anymore,

01:13:55.100 but it still says it in the liturgy.

01:13:57.080 So because it's a mystery,

01:13:59.160 it's a secret.

01:14:00.580 Like,

01:14:01.000 so the catechumens,

01:14:01.920 if you were just learning,

01:14:02.740 you had to leave at this,

01:14:04.760 at this point,

01:14:05.440 this is the early church.

01:14:07.740 And he refuses to leave.

01:14:09.960 He says,

01:14:10.440 I'm not going.

01:14:12.440 And the bishop's like,

01:14:13.300 what are you?

01:14:14.020 He's like,

01:14:14.480 I'm not going.

01:14:15.120 They're like,

01:14:15.400 well,

01:14:15.500 you have to be baptized.

01:14:16.620 This is like the next day or it's that week.

01:14:18.820 He's like,

01:14:19.260 well,

01:14:19.360 then baptize me now because like,

01:14:21.920 I don't know.

01:14:22.400 Do you need me to leave?

01:14:23.940 Can this be only?

01:14:25.120 They're like,

01:14:25.480 we can't continue if there's,

01:14:26.820 if,

01:14:27.120 if there's any unbaptized people here,

01:14:28.640 he said,

01:14:28.960 well,

01:14:29.040 then baptize me now,

01:14:29.860 right now.

01:14:30.740 Cause I'm not leaving.

01:14:33.480 And so the bishop's like,

01:14:34.600 Oh,

01:14:35.660 so baptizes him.

01:14:36.880 And then he becomes like minor clergy within like a month,

01:14:40.120 a reader and a deacon.

01:14:41.240 He becomes a priest in like two or three months.

01:14:44.540 Right.

01:14:45.000 And then he becomes a bishop,

01:14:46.080 I think in a year.

01:14:48.020 So,

01:14:48.660 but the reason why is that he didn't have to learn.

01:14:52.620 He,

01:14:53.120 he was already like a superstar on the opposing team.

01:14:56.600 He didn't have to learn the spiritual principles.

01:14:59.340 He just had to learn the new playbook.

01:15:01.800 It's like,

01:15:02.460 if you,

01:15:03.020 if you got a quarterback from another team,

01:15:04.520 he doesn't have to relearn how to throw a ball,

01:15:06.900 how to be a quarterback,

01:15:07.840 how to read a defense,

01:15:08.940 right?

01:15:09.600 He just has to learn your playbook.

01:15:15.500 And so he was,

01:15:17.040 he,

01:15:17.320 and he became a bishop.

01:15:18.880 Eustina became a nun.

01:15:20.740 He advanced her to the head of the monastery.

01:15:23.580 And then they were both captured and taken and they were both martyred

01:15:26.640 together.

01:15:27.020 And it's a really kind of a beautiful story,

01:15:29.740 you know,

01:15:30.120 that she,

01:15:31.980 she,

01:15:32.620 it's also a story about the way that the Orthodox view conversion.

01:15:38.200 So like the Orthodox aren't out on street corners.

01:15:41.220 And if you're doing that,

01:15:42.520 you're not really acting in a very Orthodox way,

01:15:44.680 right?

01:15:44.940 St.

01:15:45.140 Seraphim of Sarov says,

01:15:46.800 acquire the spirit of peace and a thousand around you will be saved.

01:15:49.900 And all the,

01:15:51.680 all of the Orthodox tradition is that,

01:15:54.440 is that it's like,

01:15:55.400 no,

01:15:55.560 no,

01:15:55.620 no.

01:15:55.720 She converted him.

01:15:57.040 And then how many people did he convert as bishop and how much influence did

01:16:00.540 he have?

01:16:01.220 She converted him just with this.

01:16:03.420 Yeah.

01:16:07.220 Just with this,

01:16:08.800 nothing else.

01:16:09.420 Like genuinely just with this,

01:16:12.160 which is the reason why,

01:16:14.340 again,

01:16:15.140 to go full circle.

01:16:15.940 Why for me,

01:16:16.960 when I found myself trying to rationalize and justify and having debates about

01:16:21.920 orthodoxy on Twitter,

01:16:23.340 I was like,

01:16:23.900 Oh,

01:16:24.060 time to leave Twitter.

01:16:27.360 Yeah.

01:16:28.020 Well,

01:16:28.640 the,

01:16:28.960 the heart of so many of those arguments,

01:16:30.920 you,

01:16:32.060 I don't know if,

01:16:33.000 if you got the sense,

01:16:34.040 but,

01:16:34.460 but I get the sense being on Twitter and it doesn't really matter.

01:16:37.820 It could be a spiritual one,

01:16:39.900 a political one,

01:16:40.500 or,

01:16:40.680 or otherwise.

01:16:42.360 Most of the time,

01:16:43.320 the vast majority of the time,

01:16:44.420 the individual is not coming from a place of wanting to reconcile and

01:16:48.760 understand.

01:16:49.640 It's just a,

01:16:50.440 a competition who can win.

01:16:52.820 And,

01:16:53.100 and even debate itself sometimes is the way that I look at it.

01:16:58.780 I'm like,

01:16:59.140 you would need to represent your stance perfectly.

01:17:03.340 And so let's say a debate ends and one team wins and the other team

01:17:07.420 loses.

01:17:07.820 Or one idea wins and the other one loses.

01:17:10.600 That doesn't even really necessarily mean anything because it's up to the

01:17:13.820 individual's ability to articulate and,

01:17:16.600 and represent those points.

01:17:18.260 So,

01:17:18.740 which is why it just usually.

01:17:20.680 Let me ask you,

01:17:21.560 has your,

01:17:22.120 has your mind ever been changed by a debate?

01:17:24.680 No,

01:17:25.420 no.

01:17:26.040 One time I listened to Joe Rogan.

01:17:29.040 I mean,

01:17:29.700 so what's the point of the debate?

01:17:31.580 Exactly.

01:17:32.240 Dude,

01:17:32.360 I listened for like four hours to a plant-based guy versus a carnivore

01:17:37.580 diet guy.

01:17:38.360 And at the end of it,

01:17:39.380 if I was being honest,

01:17:40.300 I was like,

01:17:41.020 they,

01:17:41.240 they,

01:17:41.560 they both made incredible points and there seems to be no like,

01:17:45.940 you know,

01:17:46.300 budging.

01:17:46.760 I'm just going to go the carnivore route because that's kind of what I was

01:17:49.100 going to do in the first place.

01:17:51.120 Boom.

01:17:51.480 which is what,

01:17:53.620 which is what you said.

01:17:54.360 Like it just solidifies it.

01:17:56.000 So for me,

01:17:56.780 you're already looking at what is,

01:17:59.500 what is the orientation?

01:18:00.540 I think it's the same thing about conversion.

01:18:03.380 So when I met father turbo,

01:18:05.020 it's interesting because I had been given in prayer to do this Bitcoin mystery

01:18:09.140 school class.

01:18:09.720 And it seemed very strange to me.

01:18:11.300 Right.

01:18:11.720 I was like,

01:18:12.160 is this even coming from Christ?

01:18:13.760 Like,

01:18:14.080 what is this?

01:18:14.540 But the fact that it was like,

01:18:15.620 I was fasting.

01:18:16.580 It was right after prayer.

01:18:18.160 It came like,

01:18:18.840 like a lightning bolt.

01:18:19.940 It was,

01:18:20.220 I was like,

01:18:20.600 okay,

01:18:21.200 I'm just going to do it and see what happens.

01:18:23.320 And it just wound up that this priest who became my spiritual father in the

01:18:27.880 weirdest way was like in the first class of Bitcoin mystery school.

01:18:33.920 Right.

01:18:34.540 And I'm like,

01:18:35.240 what is,

01:18:35.760 what is happening?

01:18:36.680 What is this?

01:18:37.640 Right.

01:18:37.920 This doesn't need like,

01:18:38.780 it doesn't,

01:18:39.500 there's,

01:18:39.800 it's not coherent.

01:18:41.380 It doesn't make any sense.

01:18:42.620 Right.

01:18:43.320 And when I went to go look,

01:18:46.200 him up,

01:18:46.580 there was very little that I,

01:18:47.680 now there's a ton of him.

01:18:50.000 Father turbo qualls.

01:18:50.960 People could go and he's,

01:18:52.000 he's incredible.

01:18:53.420 Right.

01:18:53.600 I've heard him through a buck Johnson,

01:18:55.680 I think.

01:18:56.580 Sure.

01:18:57.300 He's buck spirit.

01:18:58.080 He's buck spiritual father as well.

01:18:59.900 And he,

01:19:02.200 when I went,

01:19:03.940 one of the things that one of the few videos I found was him talking to,

01:19:07.560 so he's black guy from Southern California,

01:19:10.440 former,

01:19:11.200 former skinhead,

01:19:12.480 actually like the non-racist skins,

01:19:14.740 like in a band and like,

01:19:16.800 that's where him and buck connect.

01:19:18.500 He's fully tatted up.

01:19:19.720 He was a tattoo artist for years.

01:19:21.600 And,

01:19:22.100 um,

01:19:24.420 this,

01:19:24.800 he was speaking down in South Carolina to mainly white Orthodox parish,

01:19:28.820 who was their concern of bringing him down was they wanted to get more

01:19:31.920 black,

01:19:32.420 uh,

01:19:33.340 like members in their church.

01:19:34.500 And he kind of like,

01:19:36.180 he kind of put that,

01:19:38.120 there was a funny thing where they were like,

01:19:40.260 well,

01:19:40.540 so finally the question comes,

01:19:42.620 right?

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01:20:12.580 What can we do to bring more of the people from our neighborhood,

01:20:16.640 uh,

01:20:18.300 into that,

01:20:19.180 the neighborhood that we're in or from,

01:20:20.780 you know,

01:20:21.000 these other neighborhoods,

01:20:22.240 what can we do to,

01:20:23.460 to bring them into the church?

01:20:25.180 Like,

01:20:25.600 what should we do?

01:20:26.700 And he just looks straight at him and he goes,

01:20:28.380 you can't do anything.

01:20:30.000 Hmm.

01:20:30.840 And he just paused.

01:20:32.520 Right.

01:20:34.100 He's like,

01:20:34.360 and then he says,

01:20:35.280 you can't do anything.

01:20:39.160 Like if they're going to come,

01:20:40.700 it's not going to be because of you.

01:20:42.620 It's going to be because of Christ.

01:20:44.880 Hmm.

01:20:46.980 Like this isn't your church.

01:20:51.180 This is Christ's church.

01:20:53.800 And what power do you have?

01:20:57.920 What power do you have?

01:20:59.260 And so I think that this goes to even the idea of where is your orientation when

01:21:03.300 you're debating this?

01:21:05.940 Like,

01:21:06.000 no,

01:21:06.200 I would much rather,

01:21:07.220 I would much rather pray that it's much for me.

01:21:11.180 I would rather,

01:21:11.880 since I can't do it,

01:21:13.540 since I can't convert you,

01:21:15.600 I would much rather pray to Christ who I know can do crazy things because he's

01:21:20.320 done them in my life.

01:21:21.500 If I love you and I care about you and I really do want to see you like find Christ because

01:21:28.180 it's better for you.

01:21:29.460 I'm better off like on my knees,

01:21:32.860 weeping in prayer for you that he would soften your heart and that he would do something in

01:21:38.680 your life because as our own experience is,

01:21:41.940 that's the only way you're coming to Christ is that he's going to do it.

01:21:46.940 He's going to set up the scenario and do it in your life.

01:21:49.080 And then it's undeniable.

01:21:50.660 Well,

01:21:50.700 that's what,

01:21:51.120 that's what gets me is that I didn't come by,

01:21:54.860 I didn't come to this place in my faith through information.

01:21:59.000 I mean,

01:21:59.280 the information is there and it all kind of clicks together.

01:22:01.580 Once you open that up,

01:22:02.880 I came through,

01:22:04.020 through experience,

01:22:05.260 through something,

01:22:05.860 like I said,

01:22:06.340 there's intangible and it's,

01:22:08.360 it's hard to quantify.

01:22:09.460 So if,

01:22:10.420 if that's my experience and I can only really kind of gauge people off of my own

01:22:14.400 experience,

01:22:15.000 I would look to another person and say,

01:22:16.960 yeah,

01:22:17.060 that person's not going to be won over by a,

01:22:19.560 by a,

01:22:20.120 a,

01:22:20.720 a sort of religious debate either.

01:22:22.780 It's,

01:22:23.280 it's,

01:22:24.060 you know,

01:22:24.700 I know you said that you don't want that experience,

01:22:28.000 but it's like,

01:22:29.080 I joke around sometimes and I say,

01:22:31.720 I,

01:22:31.980 I almost pray that a big greasy demon shows itself to you so that you,

01:22:35.820 you can,

01:22:36.520 what's the word I'm looking for?

01:22:38.000 You can sort of lock in and,

01:22:43.700 and navigate and realize like,

01:22:45.320 Oh,

01:22:45.460 this isn't because there's not a sense of urgency before that happened.

01:22:49.220 Not for me.

01:22:49.820 So I'm this type of person that needs to see it to some degree.

01:22:52.580 And I'm also the type of person that,

01:22:54.160 um,

01:22:55.600 uh,

01:22:56.040 you know,

01:22:56.380 I,

01:22:56.560 I don't have a sense of urgency about it when that happened,

01:22:59.360 I did.

01:22:59.860 And so I know it's,

01:23:00.920 it's messed up to wish that on somebody,

01:23:03.420 but if you are like me,

01:23:06.000 um,

01:23:06.900 then I do pray that that happens to you.

01:23:09.360 Cause if you're anything like me,

01:23:10.480 that's what I needed.

01:23:11.560 So in that way,

01:23:12.580 it's like,

01:23:12.940 yeah,

01:23:13.080 I know it's,

01:23:13.640 it's a horrifying thing to,

01:23:14.980 to wish on somebody,

01:23:15.820 but I w I don't think I was in danger.

01:23:18.080 And I feel blessed in very many ways.

01:23:19.800 Cause it was like,

01:23:20.860 look,

01:23:21.180 see,

01:23:21.440 here it is.

01:23:21.900 I'll pull back the veil for you a little bit.

01:23:23.360 These things are real.

01:23:24.220 These things are real.

01:23:24.820 And if that's real,

01:23:25.940 put two and two together,

01:23:26.820 you know,

01:23:27.620 that there must be another side to the coin.

01:23:29.240 If you're seeing this side.

01:23:30.500 Right.

01:23:30.760 And that was the,

01:23:31.520 the,

01:23:32.160 the,

01:23:32.500 the key moment for me.

01:23:33.920 Uh,

01:23:34.080 so,

01:23:34.500 you know,

01:23:35.000 but it definitely wasn't by way of information.

01:23:36.720 It definitely wasn't by way of debate.

01:23:38.400 Nobody sat me down with a,

01:23:40.200 uh,

01:23:40.540 in a well-constructed argument and won me over.

01:23:44.320 Well,

01:23:44.860 first off,

01:23:45.700 people can never be won over by a well-constructed argument.

01:23:48.120 And anybody who says they can,

01:23:49.500 it's not as,

01:23:50.040 as like they're,

01:23:51.040 it's not that,

01:23:52.440 but let me,

01:23:53.040 let me like nuance again,

01:23:54.960 let's go back to the Johannine gospel and let's go to this idea of what he says

01:23:58.460 at the end of blessed are those who believe without seeing.

01:24:02.380 Right.

01:24:03.140 Or without what he's talking about is without you needing to put your hands in,

01:24:06.920 because if you look at the narrative,

01:24:08.860 it's,

01:24:09.460 it's so worth going and reading.

01:24:11.260 If you look at the narrative,

01:24:12.700 there's a series of people and they each there's,

01:24:18.140 it just gets more and more obvious and undeniable to down at the end where

01:24:24.300 you're putting your hands in,

01:24:25.720 but you could have believed at any of those times.

01:24:28.280 Yes.

01:24:28.880 Yeah.

01:24:29.160 What you notice is that you see a series of denials.

01:24:32.640 So like Mary Magdalene sees Jesus in the flesh,

01:24:37.460 in the tomb,

01:24:38.460 and she runs to the apostles and tells them that she saw Jesus in the flesh,

01:24:44.040 in the tomb.

01:24:44.720 They have the opportunity at that moment to believe and they choose not to.

01:24:51.760 Then the apostles see,

01:24:55.160 it's not just some crazy woman who's maybe she's real emotional.

01:25:00.880 It's like,

01:25:01.640 not just one witness who's coming and telling us.

01:25:05.080 It's like all of us saw him and Thomas is still like,

01:25:09.040 nah.

01:25:09.240 And what this is telling us is that like you had a,

01:25:14.100 if you have a big greasy demon show up in front of you,

01:25:17.000 what that means is that there were a series of things that you denied up into

01:25:23.040 that point.

01:25:23.640 So what we pray for is we pray that their hearts will be softened and they can believe

01:25:30.440 at an earlier point that they can see God working in their life in the more subtle ways.

01:25:36.000 But yeah,

01:25:36.840 it's like,

01:25:37.360 it's the same thing with an addict because this is about salvation.

01:25:41.540 Right?

01:25:42.080 So what do they say about some people are able to break out of their addiction before they hit rock bottom.

01:25:49.080 But most people have to hit rock bottom,

01:25:52.100 but blessed are they who don't have to hit rock bottom and can get out of their addiction without it.

01:25:57.080 When they,

01:25:57.640 who don't even have to lose their job over it,

01:25:59.720 who don't have to lose their family over it.

01:26:01.820 Right?

01:26:02.120 Again,

01:26:02.480 why we read,

01:26:03.000 why we read joke.

01:26:03.880 Because that's,

01:26:06.400 he's,

01:26:06.660 he's losing steady things,

01:26:08.120 but he still has faith.

01:26:09.680 That's so,

01:26:10.340 and so what we pray for is that you,

01:26:12.940 that you're either open discernment and that you have the humility to accept.

01:26:18.320 Maybe I have a problem over there before you need a big greasy demon,

01:26:23.160 which is rock bottom.

01:26:24.840 Yeah.

01:26:25.460 So that's a perfectly valid point.

01:26:29.020 One that I know to be true in my own experience,

01:26:31.340 because like I said,

01:26:33.440 before I came to Christ,

01:26:35.400 I was always searching for the truth.

01:26:37.640 Do you know how often you come across things that make the biblical narrative fit uncannily?

01:26:44.760 And,

01:26:45.320 and the way that I've described it is almost to,

01:26:47.800 I think,

01:26:49.320 alleviate some of the reality of the situation.

01:26:52.700 The way I've described it is,

01:26:54.240 I used to have a big table and I would have all these pieces on the table.

01:26:57.100 And I'd be putting them together to make a big,

01:26:58.880 you know,

01:26:59.460 puzzle.

01:27:00.380 And the Bible keeps showing up as relevant to this puzzle.

01:27:04.200 And I wouldn't dismiss it as if that's something to be proud of.

01:27:08.160 But I wouldn't be convicted in the way I wouldn't allow myself to say,

01:27:14.500 yeah,

01:27:14.820 it keeps showing up because it's,

01:27:17.020 it is the centerpiece of this conversation.

01:27:19.340 And so,

01:27:20.380 you know,

01:27:21.200 sometimes I kind of pat myself on the back.

01:27:23.460 Well,

01:27:23.680 this is like in a way where I'll say I never threw it away.

01:27:27.420 I never said that it wasn't true,

01:27:28.800 but,

01:27:29.700 but I never believed.

01:27:31.480 I never convicted myself.

01:27:33.140 I never moved definitively towards it.

01:27:34.600 No matter how many things I saw that I do,

01:27:37.580 I'm telling you,

01:27:38.060 I spent fucking 18 years of seeing things that I was like,

01:27:43.020 Oh,

01:27:43.160 yep.

01:27:43.360 That that's,

01:27:44.080 that's very interesting.

01:27:44.780 And that's uncanny that that correlation to the Bible and that,

01:27:47.900 and that seems to really,

01:27:49.200 you know,

01:27:49.920 embolden the idea that Jesus Christ is real.

01:27:52.780 But for another time,

01:27:54.480 maybe.

01:27:55.100 And then I go back to my stupid shit.

01:27:57.240 Society's done a tremendous job.

01:27:59.260 I guess the culture has done a tremendous job of making the Bible look gay.

01:28:05.840 And like boring.

01:28:07.720 It's the least boring book.

01:28:09.100 I used to think the old Testament was boring.

01:28:10.960 It's like,

01:28:11.280 it's,

01:28:11.620 yo,

01:28:11.900 that is,

01:28:12.280 it's a crazy book,

01:28:13.460 dude.

01:28:14.240 Yeah.

01:28:14.740 It's wild.

01:28:15.520 When you read this,

01:28:16.200 it's a,

01:28:16.480 it's probably the best book ever written,

01:28:18.100 but it kind of also goes back to this conversation that we started with,

01:28:21.780 with Dave Smith,

01:28:22.420 right?

01:28:22.580 Where it's like,

01:28:22.980 these things can be so easily dismissed and hand waved away because we have

01:28:27.460 all of these tangible things in front of us.

01:28:29.240 And it's like,

01:28:29.560 you're looking at the Bible,

01:28:30.960 you know,

01:28:31.240 like I reject that premise.

01:28:32.400 It's like,

01:28:32.780 no,

01:28:33.000 no,

01:28:33.120 no,

01:28:33.260 that is the premise.

01:28:34.400 That's the premise.

01:28:35.660 This is the entire premise that we have to,

01:28:37.880 if we're not starting at this and you know,

01:28:40.000 the,

01:28:40.200 like you said earlier,

01:28:40.860 the Bible is,

01:28:41.780 uh,

01:28:42.520 it's,

01:28:42.800 it's a book of,

01:28:43.480 of things that happened.

01:28:45.520 It's a record.

01:28:46.260 Yeah.

01:28:46.740 It's a record.

01:28:47.880 But,

01:28:48.280 but it's,

01:28:48.700 it's an important record because I mean,

01:28:53.320 it's the,

01:28:54.080 the individuals who are documenting this are holy individuals.

01:29:00.280 These are individuals who are,

01:29:01.480 who reality is being revealed.

01:29:04.020 And it's the,

01:29:07.220 there's been a lot of writings and,

01:29:10.040 and this is why like you have tradition,

01:29:11.900 not everything sticks.

01:29:12.900 We talked about tradition of why things wind up,

01:29:15.020 you know,

01:29:16.140 but we're,

01:29:16.880 we're taught as Orthodox that like more important than first off,

01:29:22.680 first off,

01:29:23.740 just reading the Bible.

01:29:26.520 Like one,

01:29:28.060 yes,

01:29:28.460 it is the greatest book,

01:29:29.440 but two,

01:29:30.760 you have no idea what's in the Bible.

01:29:33.940 None.

01:29:36.160 Because the Bible is about people having experiences,

01:29:40.100 like really profound experiences with Christ.

01:29:44.540 The Bible is about people who know Christ and who know even the prefigured Christ,

01:29:50.260 which the God of the old Testament is still Christ.

01:29:55.060 Right?

01:29:55.500 And so it's like,

01:29:56.460 you get to see,

01:29:57.300 Oh,

01:29:57.520 when he's a man,

01:29:58.640 then this is explained.

01:30:00.900 Like he condescended to explain to men,

01:30:04.200 this thing that they couldn't understand over here that they just wrote down.

01:30:07.240 And it's like,

01:30:07.580 this is crazy.

01:30:08.320 God's doing this thing.

01:30:09.180 I don't know why.

01:30:10.320 That's what the whole old Testament is about.

01:30:11.900 We have no clue why he's doing it.

01:30:13.420 And then he comes and he's like,

01:30:14.380 no,

01:30:14.600 this is why,

01:30:15.120 let me explain.

01:30:16.980 Like,

01:30:17.360 let me explain here.

01:30:18.360 Here you go.

01:30:19.020 Let me explain it in words.

01:30:20.080 You can understand because when I'm not in the body,

01:30:22.460 I can't really give you like words that you can understand.

01:30:25.500 I can only use the,

01:30:26.820 the,

01:30:27.140 the spiritual vehicle.

01:30:28.240 And you're clearly not equipped for that because every time I give it to the prophets,

01:30:31.880 they go insane.

01:30:32.880 Right.

01:30:33.340 So let me give it to you in a way that like,

01:30:35.340 that you can have.

01:30:36.200 Right.

01:30:36.880 So let me,

01:30:37.640 let me deliver it in a,

01:30:39.240 because you guys couldn't get it before.

01:30:42.720 But what's,

01:30:44.180 so the,

01:30:45.960 the thing though,

01:30:46.780 is that there is a,

01:30:48.040 there is an unbroken line,

01:30:50.740 like apostolic succession.

01:30:52.640 It was very,

01:30:53.340 it was crazy to me.

01:30:54.260 There's a,

01:30:54.760 I actually have it here.

01:30:56.160 We,

01:30:56.400 a Russian priest just randomly showed up here 30 days after I was baptized,

01:31:00.240 which was uncanny and like weird.

01:31:03.540 What is that?

01:31:04.220 And just like finds my family as the first group that he like encounters on the,

01:31:08.520 very strange,

01:31:09.280 but he dropped off some,

01:31:10.960 you know,

01:31:11.340 some different,

01:31:13.100 there's some pamphlets from this father,

01:31:15.200 Daniel Sasoya.

01:31:16.120 And in the back of one of them,

01:31:17.560 it's called a protestant's walk through it,

01:31:20.000 through an Orthodox church.

01:31:20.960 I had never seen it,

01:31:22.420 but in the back is the apostolic succession list to the current patriarch of Russia,

01:31:28.940 who is a hero,

01:31:30.360 patriarch hero.

01:31:31.840 And it's literally every bishop who ordained every other bishop back by name and year back to Christ.

01:31:42.260 It's a list.

01:31:46.040 So you could start with Christ and you go,

01:31:48.060 and he,

01:31:49.000 and here,

01:31:50.160 here to the apostle,

01:31:51.480 to here,

01:31:51.900 to here,

01:31:52.260 to here,

01:31:52.580 to here,

01:31:52.880 to here,

01:31:53.200 to every single name.

01:31:55.420 What's the name?

01:31:55.960 All the way to here?

01:31:57.600 Well,

01:31:58.000 that's just apostolic succession.

01:31:59.980 So that is to say that both,

01:32:02.480 but this is in the Catholic church as well.

01:32:04.300 And the Lutherans could probably claim it as well.

01:32:07.000 And the Anglicans could probably claim this as well,

01:32:09.640 right?

01:32:09.940 Because bishops have to ordain bishops and every priest is ordained by a bishop and every priest baptizes, everyone was baptized by a priest.

01:32:20.700 So every Orthodox Christian can trace their lineage back to Christ by name.

01:32:31.100 This is what I rail against.

01:32:34.040 I mean,

01:32:34.380 the modern church is like,

01:32:35.700 it's a McDonald's.

01:32:36.740 It seems like it's just been,

01:32:38.060 it's been opened up.

01:32:39.680 It's a chain.

01:32:40.280 It's watered down.

01:32:41.700 And,

01:32:41.920 you know,

01:32:42.160 it's great that they're trying.

01:32:44.160 Like,

01:32:44.300 I don't really know how to feel about it,

01:32:45.880 to tell you the truth,

01:32:46.320 man.

01:32:46.420 I mean,

01:32:46.660 there's something out there.

01:32:47.760 There's a message of Jesus,

01:32:48.940 but is it good if it's watered?

01:32:50.420 And because they know not what they do.

01:32:53.220 Father,

01:32:53.680 forgive them for they know not what they do.

01:32:55.940 Do you think it's more of a,

01:32:57.180 sorry,

01:32:58.180 do you think it's more of a detriment to Christianity?

01:33:01.320 Or do you think that it's like a,

01:33:02.660 it's good that they're out there because I mean,

01:33:04.120 at least it's leading to something.

01:33:05.920 no,

01:33:05.980 no,

01:33:06.340 absolute detriment.

01:33:08.500 Okay.

01:33:09.460 Interesting.

01:33:10.400 Absolute detriment.

01:33:11.620 Well,

01:33:12.060 speaking from my own life,

01:33:13.520 right?

01:33:13.900 Like becoming Orthodox,

01:33:17.480 it's,

01:33:19.040 my life has improved.

01:33:20.420 in ways that are like,

01:33:23.280 I'm getting goosebumps over,

01:33:24.980 over how much like the difference in who I am.

01:33:30.360 And I,

01:33:32.120 I,

01:33:32.480 when I encountered Orthodoxy,

01:33:34.440 I embraced it.

01:33:35.580 But when I encountered this other thing,

01:33:37.240 I rejected it.

01:33:38.060 And that was actually good because it wasn't Christianity.

01:33:41.820 There was nothing there.

01:33:43.980 So,

01:33:44.140 so think about if you encounter Christian,

01:33:46.420 it's it,

01:33:46.940 dude,

01:33:47.320 think about it like this.

01:33:48.760 If there's like,

01:33:50.420 one fantastic pizza place in your city.

01:33:55.040 Right.

01:33:55.160 And then there's like a series of them that are like cooking up rotten,

01:34:00.260 frozen pizzas.

01:34:02.040 And then somebody's like,

01:34:03.580 Hey dude,

01:34:04.900 pizza,

01:34:06.120 Chicago style,

01:34:06.920 deep dish.

01:34:07.520 Like,

01:34:07.880 let's go.

01:34:08.760 And you're like,

01:34:09.340 dude,

01:34:09.660 I've tried pizza.

01:34:11.620 No good.

01:34:12.220 My family used to have pizza every single night.

01:34:15.620 It would make me throw up.

01:34:17.120 There's no way.

01:34:18.260 I don't even know how you could even like pizza.

01:34:20.400 And you're like,

01:34:20.960 wait a minute.

01:34:21.460 Wait,

01:34:21.800 no,

01:34:22.620 we're talking about pizza,

01:34:23.660 bro.

01:34:24.880 This is like the greatest thing ever.

01:34:27.220 And they're like,

01:34:27.820 dude,

01:34:28.120 I've had pizza.

01:34:29.340 I tried that.

01:34:32.020 I'm telling you it's not good.

01:34:34.760 I don't like it.

01:34:36.220 It makes me sick.

01:34:40.640 That's when you encounter people with Christianity in the West.

01:34:45.360 That's them.

01:34:47.240 Yeah.

01:34:47.820 Yeah.

01:34:48.280 I run into those people.

01:34:49.420 They've had thawed and refrozen pizza and it's not Christianity.

01:34:54.560 And so this goes to this.

01:34:55.940 This is,

01:34:56.300 so now we're at Sola Scriptura.

01:34:57.780 Now we're why apostolic succession matters.

01:35:00.860 Because if you could trace by name all the way back to Christ,

01:35:04.900 that means somebody who knew Christ,

01:35:06.940 who experienced it,

01:35:07.940 an apostle whose name is in the Bible,

01:35:11.420 then ordained somebody and taught them the faith.

01:35:14.720 Like the deposit of the faith.

01:35:16.820 And then that person ordained somebody else and taught them the faith.

01:35:21.200 The same faith.

01:35:23.460 Unchanging.

01:35:24.380 That's the key with orthodoxy.

01:35:26.220 That the whole thing is you keep it the same.

01:35:31.080 Why am I reading a book?

01:35:37.400 When I have access to the knowledge of the apostles in a person,

01:35:42.840 and not just knowledge to words,

01:35:45.380 but the practices.

01:35:48.500 How to pray.

01:35:50.360 How to have a relationship with Christ.

01:35:52.900 That's somebody who had a relationship with Christ,

01:35:55.860 who saw the risen Christ.

01:35:59.280 Taught down,

01:36:00.580 down,

01:36:01.120 down,

01:36:01.540 down.

01:36:01.820 The reason you need a book is because you don't have the tradition.

01:36:04.380 And that's why St.

01:36:06.820 Nikolai Velvomirovich says ours is not a book religion.

01:36:10.400 It's not even a learned religion.

01:36:12.540 It's a dramatic mystery.

01:36:15.020 Because if you live in a society like Serbia,

01:36:19.600 that's been steeped,

01:36:20.820 where you can't separate out the culture from the church,

01:36:24.660 you're just,

01:36:25.200 you're living in it.

01:36:26.380 It's almost like a bloodline.

01:36:29.700 Like the subtle little things.

01:36:31.140 Yeah.

01:36:31.320 It's,

01:36:31.740 it's like a-

01:36:32.540 It is a bloodline.

01:36:33.160 It's a spiritual,

01:36:34.160 it's literally a bloodline.

01:36:36.220 The blood of Christ.

01:36:38.060 Yeah,

01:36:38.380 yeah.

01:36:38.600 And that's,

01:36:38.960 I mean,

01:36:39.240 that's what the Bible is basically about up to the New Testament.

01:36:42.780 It's kind of describing this bloodline from Adam to David to Jesus Christ.

01:36:46.900 It's very important.

01:36:48.020 It's not.

01:36:48.980 So,

01:36:49.320 so this is another thing that orthodox,

01:36:51.760 orthodoxy teaches you is that it's like,

01:36:53.520 the first thing that you have to understand,

01:36:55.940 and this,

01:36:56.340 this is another Dave Smith thing is,

01:36:59.260 so the,

01:37:00.400 the orthodox church is Israel.

01:37:05.900 Like that's,

01:37:06.960 it's undeniable.

01:37:08.200 It's all throughout the hymnography.

01:37:09.460 It's in the whole theology.

01:37:10.480 It's the basis of the theology.

01:37:12.680 Do you think the orthodox,

01:37:13.620 so then is,

01:37:14.380 is the,

01:37:14.900 the prophecy that,

01:37:16.280 uh,

01:37:17.200 the,

01:37:17.440 the chosen people returning to the actual physical land,

01:37:20.600 Israel,

01:37:20.820 do you think that that is where they're saying it is?

01:37:23.520 Do you think that the prophecy is fulfilled when the orthodox church is there?

01:37:27.680 They never,

01:37:28.480 the orthodox church has been in Jerusalem longer than rabbinical Judaism has been in Jerusalem.

01:37:34.860 Rabbinical,

01:37:35.480 rabbinical Judaism,

01:37:36.780 the Judaism of today,

01:37:37.960 rabbinical Judaism is after orthodoxy.

01:37:40.580 Oh yeah.

01:37:41.040 Yeah.

01:37:41.340 We've,

01:37:41.840 we've went like really deep into that.

01:37:44.880 It's like 500,

01:37:45.680 200 to five after.

01:37:46.880 So,

01:37:47.060 so what,

01:37:49.220 what happens is you have,

01:37:51.680 so it's the deposit of the faith.

01:37:53.820 And the ark.

01:37:56.260 So you've got the Holy Spirit in the ark.

01:38:00.840 Right?

01:38:01.340 So first you have Noah's ark.

01:38:02.920 So that carries,

01:38:03.840 so the Holy Spirit is in that family.

01:38:06.860 Right?

01:38:07.340 Because it's his,

01:38:08.100 he was perfect in his generations.

01:38:09.480 Right?

01:38:09.840 It says it right there.

01:38:10.600 So the Holy Spirit is in that,

01:38:13.700 is it,

01:38:14.000 that was blown,

01:38:14.980 the Holy Spirit that was blown into Adam.

01:38:19.200 It's traveling through the bloodline.

01:38:20.880 So there's your ark.

01:38:22.440 Right?

01:38:23.320 Then,

01:38:23.900 the Holy Spirit is actually like put into an ark.

01:38:28.340 And it's carried around.

01:38:30.460 And then they take that ark,

01:38:31.880 and then they build a temple,

01:38:33.040 and they put it in,

01:38:34.280 into the Holy of Holies.

01:38:35.820 So you've got the temple,

01:38:37.160 and you've got the Holy Spirit

01:38:38.180 inside the tabernacle.

01:38:41.280 Right?

01:38:42.920 But then the Holy Spirit

01:38:44.400 comes into,

01:38:45.660 into an ark of flesh.

01:38:49.000 Mary is the ark.

01:38:52.000 And the Holy Spirit,

01:38:53.220 and,

01:38:53.360 and then you have Christ.

01:38:54.820 And this is the reason why he says

01:38:56.580 that the temple is coming down.

01:38:57.940 That's the real prophecy

01:38:58.920 that nobody talks about.

01:39:01.120 Right?

01:39:01.560 Christ says not one stone

01:39:02.980 will be on top of each other.

01:39:04.660 And when he's,

01:39:05.480 and,

01:39:05.680 and when he dies,

01:39:07.040 the veil of the temple is rent.

01:39:09.460 The earthquakes,

01:39:10.440 and the veil of the temple

01:39:11.820 that's in the Holy of Holies

01:39:13.240 is split.

01:39:15.840 Question.

01:39:16.580 What are the Jews touching then?

01:39:18.700 What's,

01:39:19.180 if not one stone will be left

01:39:20.760 on top of the other,

01:39:21.740 what's that wall?

01:39:22.740 Well,

01:39:23.040 it's just one wall.

01:39:26.100 It's just,

01:39:26.660 it's not the Holy of Holies.

01:39:28.580 There was,

01:39:28.920 so if you look at the way

01:39:30.220 that the temple was built,

01:39:31.560 there's courtyard upon courtyard

01:39:33.280 upon courtyard.

01:39:34.620 The actual temple is not,

01:39:36.060 that wall is not the actual temple.

01:39:37.860 That's an outer courtyard wall.

01:39:39.600 Ah,

01:39:40.100 interesting.

01:39:40.820 Okay.

01:39:41.540 Yeah,

01:39:41.760 there's,

01:39:42.060 there's a series of,

01:39:43.480 there's a series of,

01:39:45.180 um,

01:39:46.360 what,

01:39:47.300 what would you call them?

01:39:48.180 Uh,

01:39:48.560 yeah,

01:39:48.800 courtyards

01:39:49.300 that are,

01:39:50.340 that are more and more holy

01:39:52.420 as you go.

01:39:53.540 Sure.

01:39:54.000 That are surrounding the temple

01:39:55.120 and the temp,

01:39:55.760 it's,

01:39:56.020 the important part is the temple

01:39:57.240 and the Holy of Holies

01:39:58.180 where the priest goes into

01:39:59.140 once a year,

01:39:59.740 right?

01:39:59.960 That's,

01:40:00.420 which is where God is living.

01:40:02.540 But the,

01:40:03.720 what's happening,

01:40:05.340 what,

01:40:06.000 what is happening with the church

01:40:07.660 is that the,

01:40:08.980 the Holy Spirit is,

01:40:10.340 is,

01:40:10.660 was no longer in the temple.

01:40:14.660 Now it's like the Holy Spirit,

01:40:16.420 that's what Christ came to give

01:40:17.800 is to give like,

01:40:18.580 okay,

01:40:18.780 now it's in the people.

01:40:21.200 Mary became the ark,

01:40:23.020 an ark of flesh.

01:40:24.100 Like now it can come into the people.

01:40:26.180 Now it can come into us.

01:40:27.300 And so the understanding is that like,

01:40:29.460 we,

01:40:30.020 we are Israel.

01:40:31.960 The church is Israel.

01:40:34.500 And so you have to read the New Testament

01:40:37.160 in that way with the Old Testament

01:40:39.460 is that it's like the,

01:40:41.460 the,

01:40:41.980 the vessel of the Holy Spirit

01:40:44.300 continues to move.

01:40:45.580 And the other thing about,

01:40:47.340 and this is,

01:40:47.900 again,

01:40:48.080 you don't get this if you just have

01:40:49.280 Sola Scriptura,

01:40:50.300 right?

01:40:50.660 The Proto-Evangelion of James.

01:40:52.660 So the brother of Jesus,

01:40:53.960 he wrote a gospel.

01:40:56.440 And he wrote about Mary.

01:40:58.120 It was nice because they actually turned it

01:40:59.980 into a movie about her recently.

01:41:01.420 I think it's a Netflix movie.

01:41:03.100 Oh,

01:41:03.540 yes.

01:41:03.800 I didn't see it,

01:41:04.700 but is it any good?

01:41:06.240 It's,

01:41:06.640 it is because it's the Proto-Evangelion of James.

01:41:09.960 Okay.

01:41:11.420 Right?

01:41:11.780 So Mary was dedicated to the temple

01:41:14.040 when she was a little girl.

01:41:16.980 And so she was in the,

01:41:18.660 the angel came to her in the temple.

01:41:22.820 She was a nun.

01:41:23.980 She was a nun from her being a little girl.

01:41:26.580 And like,

01:41:27.980 so that she was not,

01:41:29.920 the church understands that she was totally familiar

01:41:32.160 talking to angels.

01:41:35.060 So it wasn't like a shock to her,

01:41:38.000 but she was,

01:41:38.800 so she,

01:41:39.940 so you imagine she moved into the temple.

01:41:42.540 Of course she did.

01:41:43.880 She was raised in the temple as a nun.

01:41:46.780 And she becomes the vessel.

01:41:48.820 She becomes the,

01:41:49.740 the ark,

01:41:50.660 the temple.

01:41:52.240 And through that,

01:41:53.340 through that flesh,

01:41:54.180 then now the church is,

01:41:55.540 is able to be it.

01:41:57.100 And it's because you see that it's getting more

01:41:59.900 and more advanced.

01:42:00.880 And now it's decentralized and non-local.

01:42:03.960 Yeah.

01:42:05.840 Which is how any system,

01:42:07.620 if we look at how,

01:42:08.560 how do systems advance?

01:42:11.240 How do they become more robust?

01:42:13.040 How do they scale?

01:42:16.080 Because you constantly see it scaling,

01:42:18.180 scaling.

01:42:18.720 It scales from one family,

01:42:20.120 right?

01:42:20.820 To one tribe.

01:42:21.940 To a,

01:42:23.980 to a nation.

01:42:25.880 How do you scale to all the nations?

01:42:27.800 It can't be a physical,

01:42:28.920 it can't be a physical temple that way.

01:42:30.640 It's got to be inside all the people.

01:42:34.260 But the rules about what it is to be Israel do not change.

01:42:42.680 The church is Israel.

01:42:43.940 So,

01:42:44.120 so,

01:42:44.460 so then when we have these,

01:42:45.980 so that's for us as Orthodox Christians,

01:42:48.760 having this conversation,

01:42:50.440 seeing Christians like these,

01:42:51.960 what do they call them?

01:42:53.320 Or is it dispensationalists?

01:42:54.680 These like apocalyptic Christians,

01:42:56.880 like referencing that this,

01:42:59.760 that the rabbinical Jews are somehow a key to this.

01:43:03.240 It's like,

01:43:03.660 dude,

01:43:03.860 that's not even Christianity.

01:43:07.180 They're after,

01:43:08.140 they're,

01:43:08.540 that,

01:43:08.820 that rabbinical Judaism is trying to explain,

01:43:12.480 how do you have Judaism without a temple?

01:43:15.560 Like the,

01:43:16.300 the,

01:43:16.900 so the,

01:43:17.460 the,

01:43:17.880 the foundational issue that they're trying to deal with is the same thing that

01:43:23.400 Christianity has already answered.

01:43:25.000 They're trying to say,

01:43:25.880 how do you have a religion where you need,

01:43:28.140 where you need the sacrifice?

01:43:30.240 How do you have that without having a temple?

01:43:34.320 But Christianity already answered it.

01:43:37.560 Like temple,

01:43:38.380 temple tech is done.

01:43:39.500 And this is a,

01:43:40.660 you're not on Twitter,

01:43:41.460 but this is the,

01:43:42.280 the crux of this whole argument.

01:43:44.120 I don't,

01:43:44.360 I don't want to,

01:43:44.800 I want to respect your time as well.

01:43:45.860 So I think we should wrap in a minute,

01:43:47.260 but yeah,

01:43:48.340 sure.

01:43:49.040 But the,

01:43:49.440 yeah,

01:43:49.580 the crux of this argument here is like the,

01:43:52.180 you know,

01:43:52.480 the,

01:43:52.640 the JQ stuff,

01:43:53.800 right?

01:43:54.020 This is like going around and,

01:43:55.500 and I just,

01:43:56.520 I,

01:43:56.620 I'm going to the very bottom of it.

01:43:58.120 And I'm saying,

01:43:58.480 no,

01:43:58.620 it seems like,

01:43:59.140 you know,

01:43:59.520 the,

01:43:59.820 this modern Judaism is just a response to Christianity.

01:44:02.900 So when you pair it,

01:44:04.700 when you pair Judeo Christian,

01:44:06.740 it's just like,

01:44:07.320 it,

01:44:07.560 it aggravates me to no end because it's like,

01:44:10.040 no,

01:44:10.420 these are,

01:44:11.000 these are opposing religions.

01:44:12.860 This is,

01:44:13.480 as a matter of fact,

01:44:14.400 I understand exactly why,

01:44:17.260 like,

01:44:17.460 I mean,

01:44:17.700 you know,

01:44:17.940 maybe,

01:44:18.200 maybe it's not correct to say that they all hate us,

01:44:21.580 but I understand,

01:44:22.300 I,

01:44:22.460 I see the animosity and this is why it's because they,

01:44:27.800 whatever they're doing there is not valid,

01:44:29.840 but I,

01:44:31.300 and,

01:44:31.760 and it is the modern days church.

01:44:33.400 It's a modern day church that has allowed this narrative to pervade.

01:44:37.560 And it's,

01:44:38.200 it's like on a global scale now to the,

01:44:40.280 to this point where it's like,

01:44:41.400 nobody,

01:44:42.140 no one's really,

01:44:42.860 is,

01:44:43.040 is the,

01:44:44.120 is the Orthodox church talking about this,

01:44:46.160 like to their congregation,

01:44:47.380 telling,

01:44:48.760 telling them about just about Judaism,

01:44:51.020 about what that is or what's going on with modern,

01:44:53.860 the modern day Jew.

01:44:55.540 Well,

01:44:56.020 we don't,

01:44:56.380 we don't need to talk about it.

01:44:58.300 Like,

01:44:58.780 it's just like,

01:44:59.300 I mean,

01:45:00.180 well,

01:45:00.960 I mean,

01:45:01.540 academically you talk about all the heresies,

01:45:03.620 but the Orthodox church was like academically.

01:45:08.520 I mean,

01:45:08.860 we had ecumenical councils,

01:45:10.200 you know,

01:45:11.100 we talk about Arianism as a,

01:45:13.400 you know,

01:45:13.660 we've talked,

01:45:14.340 but it's like,

01:45:14.880 do you really need to spend a lot of time talking about the people who are

01:45:18.880 wrong?

01:45:20.700 Well,

01:45:21.260 I'm going to clip that.

01:45:22.340 What a banger.

01:45:23.560 What a banging,

01:45:24.740 what a banger quote.

01:45:26.220 Do I need to talk about the people that are wrong?

01:45:29.900 Why?

01:45:31.640 Like if I,

01:45:32.580 if I,

01:45:33.480 because so this is the thing about reality,

01:45:35.920 right?

01:45:37.000 So imagine that,

01:45:38.040 imagine that your car is like something weird is happening with your car.

01:45:42.560 Right?

01:45:43.660 So something strange is happening and you don't know what it is,

01:45:47.200 but you want to fix your car.

01:45:50.580 Okay.

01:45:51.380 There's literally an infinite number of behaviors and actions that you can take

01:45:57.280 that will either not fix your car or will make your car worse.

01:46:01.660 You can just slam on the brakes.

01:46:04.200 You can jump out of the car.

01:46:05.400 You can twerk.

01:46:06.200 You can hit it with a hammer.

01:46:07.420 You can hit it with a flamethrower.

01:46:08.840 You can jump up and down.

01:46:09.920 And you can call your mom.

01:46:10.960 It's like,

01:46:11.300 there's an unlimited number of things that you could do that are not the

01:46:15.400 right thing to do.

01:46:16.940 The set of things that you can do that will actually,

01:46:20.240 and many of them will make it worse.

01:46:23.300 The set of things that you can actually do that will fix the problem and make

01:46:27.860 it better is generally super small,

01:46:31.200 or it might even be a set of one.

01:46:33.860 And that if you don't get those act that that sequence of actions exactly right,

01:46:38.380 it's worse.

01:46:40.000 That's why you have a shop manual.

01:46:43.360 There's not,

01:46:44.140 you can't just be like,

01:46:45.200 yep,

01:46:45.440 step six,

01:46:46.040 just not going to do that one,

01:46:47.260 that bolt.

01:46:48.020 Oh,

01:46:48.220 I don't need this one.

01:46:49.020 Throw it away.

01:46:50.240 No,

01:46:50.400 no,

01:46:50.500 no.

01:46:50.840 You have to follow every single one of those steps.

01:46:53.700 If you want your car to be fixed,

01:46:55.600 that's how it works.

01:46:56.940 And this is reality.

01:46:59.320 So when you take it to,

01:47:00.500 when you take your car to a mechanic,

01:47:02.520 does the mechanic go through the series of steps or does he spend time debating

01:47:08.360 about why hitting it with the hammer and shooting it with a blowtorch is a

01:47:12.500 bad idea?

01:47:13.520 Hmm.

01:47:14.660 Yeah.

01:47:15.440 It's a,

01:47:16.040 you're,

01:47:16.460 you're making us realize now that there's probably like 50 or so episodes of

01:47:20.560 this show that,

01:47:23.600 because it's an interesting question,

01:47:24.780 right?

01:47:24.920 I mean,

01:47:25.100 it's pervasive in all of our society.

01:47:26.740 And it's just like,

01:47:27.340 it's constantly,

01:47:28.100 constantly coming up.

01:47:29.180 And,

01:47:29.660 but I think you're right,

01:47:30.740 man.

01:47:30.980 It's like,

01:47:31.400 we're talking about this thing that in reality,

01:47:34.360 this is probably the most anti-Semitic thing ever said on this show,

01:47:36.900 but it's like,

01:47:37.280 it really has no consequence.

01:47:39.200 It's like,

01:47:39.740 it's like an incorrect action.

01:47:41.660 Hold on.

01:47:42.580 I got to interrupt.

01:47:43.420 I got to say something that's totally out of pocket,

01:47:45.160 man.

01:47:45.700 I just want to say,

01:47:46.640 you got to say in the best way you are.

01:47:49.980 If,

01:47:50.620 if everything went correct with Andrew Tate,

01:47:55.960 you are,

01:47:56.760 you bear a resemblance to him,

01:47:59.300 but your chin is better.

01:48:00.640 You have a tone in your voice.

01:48:02.620 That's very similar to Andrew Tate.

01:48:04.800 You know what?

01:48:05.200 I think,

01:48:05.640 I think he wanted to be Andrew Tate and God was like,

01:48:08.160 you don't need the Bugatti.

01:48:09.460 You know,

01:48:09.620 it was like,

01:48:10.720 it was like,

01:48:11.320 if you could stand you and Andrew Tate next to each other,

01:48:14.080 it's a which way Western man,

01:48:15.740 uh,

01:48:16.300 meme.

01:48:16.700 You know what I mean?

01:48:17.740 As a matter of fact,

01:48:18.640 it genuinely is after this episode,

01:48:20.560 that is a,

01:48:21.160 that is a meme.

01:48:21.980 So prepare yourself a hundred percent.

01:48:24.140 A hundred percent.

01:48:25.080 This is,

01:48:25.580 this is exactly like everything that I think,

01:48:28.160 because you know,

01:48:28.620 a lot of the problem with Andrew Tate is I don't think that young

01:48:30.700 impressionable men should be moving in that direction

01:48:32.920 whatsoever.

01:48:33.460 And I find him hilarious and he is very funny.

01:48:37.840 Um,

01:48:38.480 but,

01:48:38.980 uh,

01:48:39.420 no,

01:48:39.780 this is,

01:48:40.280 this is much better,

01:48:41.500 uh,

01:48:42.140 for the,

01:48:42.640 the young developing.

01:48:43.820 Well,

01:48:43.840 look,

01:48:44.400 I think that this goes to,

01:48:46.420 this is why I say,

01:48:48.220 uh,

01:48:49.460 that the Bible comes like after,

01:48:51.300 because like with the thing that we just said,

01:48:53.880 and you guys are like,

01:48:54.700 Oh yeah,

01:48:55.280 that's obvious.

01:48:56.020 It's super self-evident.

01:48:57.300 Then when Christ says,

01:48:58.720 I,

01:48:59.260 I am the way,

01:49:00.820 the truth and the life,

01:49:02.240 and no one comes to the father,

01:49:04.260 but by me,

01:49:05.100 it's not,

01:49:06.820 he's saying the nature of reality.

01:49:09.460 It may as well that he's saying,

01:49:11.260 look,

01:49:11.800 dude,

01:49:12.420 this is the way to fix your carburetor.

01:49:15.300 Your carburetor doesn't get fixed unless you go and follow the shop

01:49:19.020 manual.

01:49:20.240 It's why,

01:49:20.940 when he says that straight is the gate and narrow is the path and many

01:49:24.800 are that leads to salvation.

01:49:25.900 And many that miss it because why does the way to perdition straight is the

01:49:31.920 gate.

01:49:32.240 It's these 10 steps to fix your carburetor,

01:49:34.480 dude.

01:49:34.640 It's not anything else.

01:49:36.020 Yeah.

01:49:36.280 Why does the way to destroy your automobile,

01:49:39.000 another question,

01:49:39.680 fixing it very wide.

01:49:41.640 Another question though.

01:49:42.900 Um,

01:49:44.420 you've got guys like there's,

01:49:46.920 I don't know.

01:49:47.100 It's like Ben Shapiro types,

01:49:48.100 Jordan Peterson out there.

01:49:49.000 Anybody who's pushing this Judeo Christian narrative,

01:49:51.040 which is blending these,

01:49:54.620 this idea of Jesus Christ and Judaism and it's perverting and it's making it

01:49:58.880 really weird.

01:50:00.400 I know we mentioned that like this kind of like evangelism is almost like a

01:50:04.560 fruitless endeavor.

01:50:05.320 It's like,

01:50:05.560 you're not going to reach these people,

01:50:06.700 but it's like,

01:50:07.340 do we then I had this argument with somebody.

01:50:09.580 It's like,

01:50:09.760 do it.

01:50:09.960 So,

01:50:10.060 so I just sit by as this guy's lying.

01:50:13.500 I can't,

01:50:13.980 should I,

01:50:14.340 should I be telling my,

01:50:15.400 like the people that are listening to me,

01:50:16.760 I feel like that's what we're doing this show for.

01:50:18.400 Like people are listening.

01:50:19.260 I'm like,

01:50:19.540 that's bullshit,

01:50:21.000 man.

01:50:21.640 Like I,

01:50:22.360 and,

01:50:22.620 and somebody told me like,

01:50:23.580 no,

01:50:23.780 we have to let prophecy hold out.

01:50:25.320 You can't don't even like criticize.

01:50:26.780 I was like,

01:50:27.000 but I,

01:50:27.280 I just don't see how we can sit here.

01:50:29.340 Is that what we're called to do?

01:50:31.080 Just sit here and be like,

01:50:32.580 like,

01:50:32.900 you know,

01:50:33.260 continue.

01:50:34.580 I feel like there has to be some kind of pushback.

01:50:36.840 Yeah.

01:50:36.980 Both end.

01:50:37.620 Yeah.

01:50:37.840 Well,

01:50:38.460 both and orthodoxy is not either,

01:50:40.540 or it's both.

01:50:41.280 And.

01:50:43.480 So it's,

01:50:44.320 it's,

01:50:44.640 so there's a great,

01:50:46.380 and again,

01:50:47.500 truth is true.

01:50:48.400 So there's no monopoly on truth.

01:50:50.180 It's not like you can only find truth in orthodoxy.

01:50:52.520 Right.

01:50:52.780 It's just that when you,

01:50:54.580 if you were looking for the fastest path,

01:50:56.720 like take the 2000 years of people who've been doing nothing,

01:51:00.060 but orienting towards truth.

01:51:01.440 And what did they,

01:51:02.420 what did they come up with?

01:51:03.440 Right.

01:51:03.920 But like,

01:51:04.940 so Martin Luther King in a letter from a Birmingham jail.

01:51:08.120 Right.

01:51:09.020 He says like the path,

01:51:10.480 when he's talking about the order of operations,

01:51:12.800 he's like,

01:51:14.400 so first you want to get on the ground and investigate,

01:51:17.500 like figure out what the problem is.

01:51:20.560 And then he said a period of self purification.

01:51:25.320 And then action.

01:51:29.180 So clean your room.

01:51:30.280 Well,

01:51:32.060 it's,

01:51:32.560 and in that regard,

01:51:34.480 he's right.

01:51:35.540 Yeah.

01:51:35.740 Because the first thing is self purification.

01:51:38.840 This,

01:51:39.400 it's not that people who are speaking out are wrong.

01:51:45.060 It's just that 99.9% of people are speaking out without the period of self purification.

01:51:53.820 And it's like,

01:51:56.880 look,

01:51:57.380 you're not wrong.

01:52:00.280 For what I would say to many of these people.

01:52:01.820 And again,

01:52:02.320 it was debates about orthodoxy coming from orthodox people that made me leave Twitter.

01:52:07.740 Because what I found myself doing was I found myself entering into just my nature,

01:52:13.660 like these theological debates.

01:52:15.860 And honestly,

01:52:17.000 I did not,

01:52:18.440 I was not speaking from,

01:52:20.800 at a certain level,

01:52:21.760 they would draw me in,

01:52:22.760 draw me in,

01:52:23.200 or I would allow myself to be drawn in,

01:52:25.300 draw me in.

01:52:25.940 And at a certain level,

01:52:27.620 I noticed that I,

01:52:28.780 I began speaking in my own experience,

01:52:31.200 but then I reached a point that where everything I said from there would be just quoting the fathers.

01:52:39.820 If that sometimes throwing in my own opinion,

01:52:43.020 because I'm not that,

01:52:44.060 that great at avoiding that temptation.

01:52:47.080 Sometimes I would say things that were wrong because I hadn't really,

01:52:50.680 I was in a rush to argue this,

01:52:54.220 right?

01:52:55.260 As opposed to reaching that point and saying to myself,

01:52:59.960 oh,

01:53:00.480 you don't know the answer to that.

01:53:03.700 Now is the time for you to leave because now you've just been shown where you need to go.

01:53:09.480 Hmm.

01:53:10.760 God bless,

01:53:11.560 God bless the person that wants to have the debate on this because now you just showed me the next thing that I need to study.

01:53:18.920 The next,

01:53:19.880 the,

01:53:20.140 the,

01:53:20.380 the,

01:53:20.740 what's,

01:53:20.960 what's lacking for my own understanding of the fullness of the faith.

01:53:24.660 Because if,

01:53:25.840 for me,

01:53:26.480 is it about being right or is it about actually knowing where I'm wrong?

01:53:32.360 It's,

01:53:32.880 it's about,

01:53:33.200 because it's in me correcting where I'm wrong is where salvation lies.

01:53:36.680 It's about winning right there.

01:53:38.940 And then Cyprian,

01:53:40.420 that's what it's all about,

01:53:41.600 man.

01:53:41.840 Give me the gratification.

01:53:43.640 I need to.

01:53:44.240 And when I win,

01:53:45.260 I want you to delete your Twitter too.

01:53:47.040 It's like,

01:53:47.440 there is the,

01:53:47.920 what is it?

01:53:48.660 What's the win?

01:53:49.840 There's no win.

01:53:51.180 You're a hundred percent right,

01:53:52.220 man.

01:53:52.500 That's it though.

01:53:53.100 Right.

01:53:53.340 There is no win.

01:53:54.760 Not,

01:53:55.120 not,

01:53:55.300 not,

01:53:55.520 not in that arena,

01:53:56.980 not in that moment.

01:53:57.860 Well,

01:53:58.000 you're not,

01:53:58.320 you're not going to win.

01:53:59.520 Yeah.

01:54:00.040 You're not going to win.

01:54:00.940 You're not going to win in a worldly sense because who's the prince of this world.

01:54:04.860 Satan is the prince of this world.

01:54:07.100 So if you're looking for a worldly win,

01:54:09.420 who wants you to win on the worldly term on the worldly side?

01:54:12.660 Well,

01:54:12.840 you're just working for Satan.

01:54:14.020 I've been there.

01:54:15.920 I've been rich and famous,

01:54:17.240 right?

01:54:19.100 I've done it,

01:54:19.860 you know,

01:54:22.080 before social media,

01:54:23.220 when there was still like cable TV and you were still a celebrity on cable TV.

01:54:28.400 You know what I mean?

01:54:28.980 There were no Netflix shows in 2010.

01:54:31.320 When I first got,

01:54:32.400 when I was first on TV,

01:54:33.540 I was real,

01:54:35.320 like really famous.

01:54:36.580 Like really,

01:54:37.480 there weren't no influencers and Logan Pauls.

01:54:40.000 And no,

01:54:40.480 I was really famous where people would be like grown ass people,

01:54:45.220 not little kids,

01:54:46.020 like grown ass people would stop me in the street everywhere in the world.

01:54:51.820 People who didn't even speak my language because it had been dubbed in multiple languages.

01:54:56.380 Oh,

01:54:56.900 that's funny.

01:54:57.820 Don't even think about that.

01:54:59.600 I,

01:54:59.860 I've been,

01:55:01.380 I've been famous,

01:55:02.460 man.

01:55:02.680 And it's like,

01:55:03.960 you know what?

01:55:04.600 It's self-destruction.

01:55:06.100 I walked around the,

01:55:07.220 those latter years feeling like I was poisoned.

01:55:10.400 Hmm.

01:55:12.860 Like really,

01:55:13.900 when I look back now,

01:55:14.860 I'm like,

01:55:15.320 Oh,

01:55:15.560 you were walking around.

01:55:16.420 Like I physically felt poisoned.

01:55:20.640 Like there was poison running through my veins,

01:55:23.120 you know?

01:55:24.600 And it's like,

01:55:25.260 that's what,

01:55:26.480 if that's what you want,

01:55:27.540 you want to be right all the time.

01:55:28.760 You want to own the libs.

01:55:29.780 You want to win the debate?

01:55:33.300 Yeah.

01:55:33.700 Get you your million followers.

01:55:36.220 Take your poison.

01:55:38.060 Yeah.

01:55:39.220 It's heavy,

01:55:39.860 right?

01:55:40.100 Cause we're walking this line of like,

01:55:43.280 obviously we're doing this for entertainment.

01:55:45.140 We're doing this for,

01:55:46.200 I mean,

01:55:46.420 I started as fun.

01:55:47.600 Now it's almost a job.

01:55:49.120 Um,

01:55:49.420 and the point is to grow it right.

01:55:51.900 Uh,

01:55:52.380 otherwise,

01:55:53.600 I don't know.

01:55:55.400 Is it right?

01:55:57.300 What are we doing?

01:55:58.220 What?

01:55:58.780 I don't know what I'm doing.

01:56:00.660 I think that,

01:56:01.600 I think the metric,

01:56:02.460 the metric is always,

01:56:03.680 the metric is always that.

01:56:05.060 Well,

01:56:05.220 we're not,

01:56:05.620 we shouldn't necessarily know.

01:56:07.400 So the,

01:56:08.220 what,

01:56:09.300 what is really not important?

01:56:13.060 And,

01:56:13.540 and,

01:56:13.900 and neither really is the how.

01:56:15.360 The why is important,

01:56:18.660 but the most important is the who.

01:56:21.820 Like if you're going to be a Christian,

01:56:23.240 the most important is the who.

01:56:26.080 Because as a Christian,

01:56:27.380 like we believe in spiritual warfare and there's a king on one side and a king on the other,

01:56:31.840 a prince on the other side.

01:56:33.320 There's a king on one side and a prince on the other side.

01:56:35.680 And they've been given to be able to war against each other.

01:56:39.580 And there's a way of life and a way of death.

01:56:41.860 And one is the ruler of life and one is the ruler of death.

01:56:45.840 That's Job.

01:56:47.420 Right?

01:56:47.940 That's read Job.

01:56:48.680 It's short.

01:56:49.340 Everybody should just read Job.

01:56:51.560 And the choice that we have is always between life and death.

01:56:54.720 And so whenever we ask,

01:56:55.920 what am I doing?

01:56:56.760 Don't ask that.

01:56:57.660 Ask,

01:56:57.880 who am I doing this for?

01:56:59.200 Who am I serving by my actions?

01:57:01.840 Am I serving the prince of death or am I serving the king of life?

01:57:05.860 And if you don't know,

01:57:07.720 if you don't know,

01:57:09.440 then you've just gotten the answer of what your next journey is,

01:57:13.560 is to figure out.

01:57:16.040 This is what we do.

01:57:17.460 This is what we're figuring out.

01:57:19.040 And I think the answers we get back are,

01:57:22.340 there's almost every day somebody goes,

01:57:24.520 hey man,

01:57:25.280 they call us retards.

01:57:26.600 Our fans are called dangerous retards.

01:57:28.600 It's a crude show.

01:57:29.660 We say a lot of wild stuff.

01:57:31.260 They're not wrong when they call us it either.

01:57:32.880 But they go,

01:57:33.700 I mean,

01:57:34.140 one of the emails we read today,

01:57:35.560 they were like,

01:57:36.000 they curse us.

01:57:36.580 They basically said a lot of like racial slurs at us.

01:57:38.540 And they said,

01:57:38.960 do you strengthen my relationship with God?

01:57:40.620 Or at least the show did like ask me,

01:57:42.700 it helped me to ask questions.

01:57:43.900 And not like me,

01:57:44.580 like I'm not,

01:57:45.000 we're not doing anything.

01:57:45.720 We're just talking.

01:57:46.480 So I'm like,

01:57:47.060 all right,

01:57:47.280 that's,

01:57:47.600 I guess that's the right direction.

01:57:49.500 Onward.

01:57:50.040 That's it.

01:57:50.820 Yeah.

01:57:51.560 Yeah.

01:57:51.880 If you're getting that,

01:57:53.080 if you're getting that back,

01:57:54.560 like so long as that's coming back to you.

01:57:58.300 But there's a certain,

01:57:59.600 there's an aspect of conviction that comes with it because of what I do.

01:58:02.720 Obviously you've interacted with me way before,

01:58:05.040 but I'm,

01:58:05.920 I am who I am.

01:58:07.760 So I'm gonna,

01:58:09.280 I can't be inauthentic.

01:58:11.240 Not,

01:58:11.460 not like a sense of pride,

01:58:12.460 but like just as who I am,

01:58:13.460 this is how I communicate with people.

01:58:15.360 And it seems to work.

01:58:18.360 Yeah.

01:58:18.940 You know,

01:58:19.380 I fear that.

01:58:20.300 I'm going to.

01:58:20.680 Don't be,

01:58:21.000 don't be,

01:58:21.560 don't be married to,

01:58:22.960 don't be married to the old man because when that is the one thing that

01:58:27.380 Christ is going to demand that you give up.

01:58:30.760 I,

01:58:31.220 I,

01:58:31.920 then I'm a guy,

01:58:33.760 whatever.

01:58:34.380 I have this thing where I think about the future and I often kind of see it

01:58:41.500 in,

01:58:42.060 in a way,

01:58:42.740 never clear,

01:58:43.700 but I see which way things are going.

01:58:45.620 And I,

01:58:46.200 and I had it,

01:58:46.820 like I said before,

01:58:47.620 I even left New York.

01:58:48.480 I was like,

01:58:48.720 in five years,

01:58:49.180 I'll be doing this.

01:58:50.000 And exactly what I'm,

01:58:52.040 it makes no sense.

01:58:52.780 No rhyme or reason.

01:58:53.480 I was driving a truck and I do see that in my future,

01:58:56.580 but I,

01:58:57.520 it's one of those things where I'm like,

01:58:58.660 I don't want that,

01:58:59.780 but it doesn't matter.

01:59:00.880 Like one of,

01:59:01.460 one of the stories I tell when I was in the church,

01:59:03.160 I got,

01:59:03.720 I gotten kicked out of the church for yelling at the pastor,

01:59:07.060 but there's a whole thing.

01:59:07.900 I was,

01:59:08.400 I was right,

01:59:09.160 but whatever.

01:59:09.540 There's a whole thing.

01:59:10.200 You probably were.

01:59:12.800 One foot out,

01:59:13.660 one foot in.

01:59:14.420 And one of the ladies,

01:59:15.220 an elder comes up and she's praised for me.

01:59:16.840 And she's a very nice lady.

01:59:17.700 And she told me,

01:59:18.200 she's like,

01:59:18.460 you're going to be preaching to like,

01:59:20.100 I don't remember thousands of people,

01:59:22.140 hundreds of thousands of people.

01:59:23.100 And I wanted to tell her like,

01:59:24.380 you know,

01:59:24.580 shove it up your ass because I'm like,

01:59:26.340 I'm out of this place.

01:59:27.160 I don't want nothing to do with you guys.

01:59:28.840 And here I am sitting here.

01:59:30.160 And I guess what I'm doing is a form of preaching.

01:59:32.240 It's,

01:59:32.560 it's,

01:59:32.700 it's horrible.

01:59:33.980 It's horrible.

01:59:34.660 What's happened here because no matter how much I said,

01:59:37.720 no,

01:59:38.800 it doesn't matter really.

01:59:39.920 And it,

01:59:40.420 but it's not predetermined,

01:59:41.380 but it's just like,

01:59:41.880 we're going this way.

01:59:42.640 This is the way we're going.

01:59:43.540 So yeah,

01:59:43.880 that,

01:59:44.220 that death of whatever this guy is,

01:59:45.880 top lobster is evident.

01:59:47.820 I'm sorry,

01:59:48.280 people you're watching it,

01:59:49.240 but we'll see when it happens.

01:59:51.320 Yeah.

01:59:51.840 Glory to God.

01:59:52.980 Glory to God.

01:59:54.380 Glory to God.

01:59:55.000 Yeah.

01:59:55.620 It's a sad day,

01:59:56.400 but yes,

01:59:56.860 we'll see when it happens.

01:59:59.300 Yeah.

01:59:59.900 Well,

02:00:00.380 look,

02:00:00.920 we're,

02:00:02.040 we're hitting the two hour mark.

02:00:03.280 This is a fascinating conversation.

02:00:04.660 I didn't know what I was getting in for.

02:00:07.180 Top just said,

02:00:07.940 let's talk about tariffs.

02:00:09.420 I'm like,

02:00:09.680 no,

02:00:09.840 we're not talking about tariffs.

02:00:10.980 Yeah.

02:00:11.840 I said,

02:00:12.340 what are we talking about today?

02:00:13.260 He's like,

02:00:13.720 trust me,

02:00:14.120 you're really going to like this.

02:00:14.960 So I didn't know what I was in for.

02:00:16.620 It was a wonderful conversation,

02:00:17.800 man.

02:00:18.040 It genuinely was.

02:00:19.020 And I just want to thank you for your time and coming and hanging out

02:00:21.660 with us and the rest of these retards.

02:00:24.940 You know,

02:00:25.420 this has been really,

02:00:28.400 I don't know.

02:00:29.480 It wasn't like I was hit with information,

02:00:31.700 really ideas and concepts that,

02:00:33.560 I ended up doing a lot of,

02:00:36.440 and I think I'll,

02:00:36.900 I'll continue to do a lot of like self-reflection.

02:00:39.140 Every time we speak with somebody that's in the Orthodox church that knows,

02:00:42.160 it kind of is like,

02:00:43.020 damn,

02:00:43.680 I have to look into this more.

02:00:45.080 Yeah.

02:00:45.240 I have to like really get into like a Jay Dyer.

02:00:47.340 Isn't it funny?

02:00:47.820 Isn't there this little,

02:00:49.180 there's this little like bittersweetness with like,

02:00:51.760 it's like stupid.

02:00:52.700 It's right here.

02:00:53.240 Yeah.

02:00:53.480 Yeah.

02:00:53.760 Yeah.

02:00:54.020 It's right there in front of you.

02:00:55.820 And also it means you have to shuck off this guy that you've been rolling

02:00:59.600 around as for some time.

02:01:00.740 Like that's going to happen naturally.

02:01:01.740 Right.

02:01:02.040 That process.

02:01:03.320 Like I look in the future and I'm like,

02:01:04.920 one day I won't have a bite and I'll be,

02:01:08.060 you know what that is.

02:01:09.000 You know what that is.

02:01:11.580 You're,

02:01:12.060 you're,

02:01:12.440 you're seeing the cross in the distance.

02:01:14.080 Do you think,

02:01:17.240 do you think like that?

02:01:18.000 And you know that,

02:01:18.720 you know that you're supposed to go up on it.

02:01:21.280 Yeah.

02:01:21.840 Yeah.

02:01:22.200 I was going to say either pick it up or go on it.

02:01:23.720 And if that,

02:01:24.020 that's what it feels like.

02:01:25.080 It's like that,

02:01:25.860 this martyr thing at the end.

02:01:27.140 Right.

02:01:27.460 And I'm not saying like,

02:01:28.420 I'm like a martyr,

02:01:29.060 but that's kind of does it.

02:01:30.540 I think everybody sees that.

02:01:31.800 Right.

02:01:32.180 If you,

02:01:32.500 if you're taking an honest journey,

02:01:33.820 you know,

02:01:33.940 you know what martyr means though.

02:01:35.300 Right.

02:01:36.380 No word.

02:01:37.480 It means witness.

02:01:39.000 It doesn't mean die.

02:01:41.360 Hmm.

02:01:42.200 It means witness.

02:01:43.360 It's just that it's just that.

02:01:47.360 Look.

02:01:49.280 Use common sense,

02:01:50.500 right?

02:01:51.420 The reason why the,

02:01:52.520 the reason all 12 apostles were,

02:01:55.760 were martyred.

02:02:00.400 So imagine 12 people.

02:02:05.180 And they were all lying about what they had witnessed.

02:02:09.040 Would all 12 of them being faced with death.

02:02:12.660 Like if you're number seven,

02:02:14.340 knowing that the result of the last six guys is that they were all killed.

02:02:19.540 Do you think that still,

02:02:21.020 you'd be like,

02:02:21.580 actually it's,

02:02:22.380 it still happened.

02:02:23.260 Go ahead.

02:02:23.860 If it didn't happen,

02:02:25.060 if you didn't actually witness.

02:02:27.860 Yeah.

02:02:28.220 Right.

02:02:28.740 Right.

02:02:29.000 Like the,

02:02:30.980 so that's why martyrdom.

02:02:33.380 It's like getting together with your homies and being like,

02:02:35.240 Hey,

02:02:35.500 you want to die for nothing?

02:02:37.380 Like that didn't happen.

02:02:38.560 Yeah.

02:02:39.280 So that's why that's martyrdom is proof of the witnessing.

02:02:43.180 Because anybody with common sense would understand,

02:02:47.200 dude,

02:02:47.400 if this didn't really happen,

02:02:48.780 there's no way these thousands upon thousands of people throughout history.

02:02:53.140 If they hadn't,

02:02:53.780 if Cyprian hadn't really had his experience with the devil in Eustina,

02:02:57.300 would he have really agreed to go and become a martyr?

02:03:00.940 Right.

02:03:01.540 And the witness thing is so powerful because that's kind of what happens at

02:03:04.380 the end here.

02:03:04.980 This is a court case,

02:03:05.800 right?

02:03:06.100 It's being,

02:03:06.760 it's being seen through.

02:03:08.460 And then at the end,

02:03:09.060 there's going to be a judgment and there will be the witnesses.

02:03:11.280 That's it.

02:03:11.620 It's powerful.

02:03:12.280 You're going to,

02:03:13.000 yeah,

02:03:13.220 these guys did it.

02:03:14.240 We watched them do it.

02:03:17.020 Amazing.

02:03:19.060 That's it.

02:03:20.700 Well,

02:03:21.160 that's a good place to,

02:03:22.260 to leave it.

02:03:25.180 Let's talk about one more time where,

02:03:26.780 where people can find you.

02:03:28.820 Yeah.

02:03:30.400 Oh,

02:03:30.720 I don't know.

02:03:31.540 I mean,

02:03:31.820 I don't get your address out.

02:03:32.900 I mean,

02:03:32.980 I know it's on the other side of the world.

02:03:34.040 You don't want to be found.

02:03:34.880 I posted a little more on,

02:03:36.580 I posted a little more on Twitter lately.

02:03:40.300 So I get,

02:03:41.020 but if people are expecting something on Twitter,

02:03:42.980 don't expect much from me.

02:03:45.140 Cyprian is on Twitter.

02:03:46.240 And then the same on YouTube.

02:03:47.440 I do a little more on YouTube on occasion.

02:03:51.020 And then Bitcoin mystery school.

02:03:53.740 If people want to,

02:03:55.100 I did it for four years.

02:03:56.840 Like I said,

02:03:57.280 it was the way that I met my spiritual father and it,

02:03:59.620 it really evolved.

02:04:00.700 And now it's available for free.

02:04:02.260 Like if you just click that link up there at the top,

02:04:04.260 you should be able to pop onto YouTube and just get the very last class for,

02:04:09.240 for free.

02:04:10.020 So,

02:04:10.380 you know,

02:04:11.700 I used to charge about $300 per class for three days and I sort of condensed it down.

02:04:17.200 Obviously there's no audience there.

02:04:18.500 So no questions.

02:04:19.180 So you're missing a little bit and no camaraderie and no private group,

02:04:23.440 which was,

02:04:24.720 I think the key for most people as they were doing this for years.

02:04:27.940 But yeah,

02:04:29.600 I think people will get a lot out of it,

02:04:31.380 especially.

02:04:31.720 So the tariff on the tariff,

02:04:33.760 the reason that I've been posting on Twitter is,

02:04:35.940 or X,

02:04:36.540 whatever,

02:04:36.900 is because a lot of the work that I've done over these last years has all been economics and

02:04:42.440 currency.

02:04:43.920 And so this is the currency curriculum actually.

02:04:46.040 And so if you understand this,

02:04:47.840 you'll understand tariffs a lot better.

02:04:49.320 And it goes all the way back to scripture and,

02:04:52.500 and teaches you how the dollar again,

02:04:55.540 like can't separate economics,

02:04:56.740 but like how the dollar,

02:04:58.760 the dollar is actually a measurement like,

02:05:01.320 like feet and meters,

02:05:03.800 right?

02:05:04.480 Dollar is actually a measurement of value.

02:05:06.540 And we trace it all the way back to the temple money because it's,

02:05:10.540 there's a,

02:05:11.260 there's an unbroken line of the render entities or story,

02:05:14.960 the turning over the money changers tables.

02:05:17.820 So if you want to know what that's all about,

02:05:19.760 that's in that course.

02:05:21.440 That sounds fascinating.

02:05:22.760 Yeah.

02:05:23.540 Yeah.

02:05:24.020 I'm in,

02:05:24.860 I'm watching it.

02:05:25.880 Very cool.

02:05:26.740 It'll be in the,

02:05:27.660 I think you'll,

02:05:27.960 I think you'll love it.

02:05:29.720 Perfect.

02:05:30.160 It'll be in the description,

02:05:31.140 all that stuff again,

02:05:32.140 Cyprian,

02:05:33.080 Vin,

02:05:33.480 thank you for spending the time with us.

02:05:34.960 I know it's early in the morning,

02:05:35.900 but I think this was a great conversation.

02:05:37.860 I,

02:05:38.900 I'm excited to drop it on audio and all that to the rest of our audience and

02:05:42.520 see what they,

02:05:43.360 what they think about it.

02:05:44.160 But again,

02:05:44.640 thank you.

02:05:45.440 Thank you for your time,

02:05:46.200 man.

02:05:46.460 Thank you guys.

02:05:47.360 Awesome.

02:05:47.900 Thanks guys.

02:05:48.480 All right.

02:05:49.240 Guys,

02:05:49.480 until next time.

02:05:50.300 Crisis risen.

02:05:50.800 See you.

02:05:51.240 Yes.

02:05:51.600 Crisis king.

02:05:52.380 See you later.

02:05:53.180 Obey,

02:05:53.540 submit,

02:05:53.840 comply guys.

02:05:54.320 We will see you guys next time.

02:05:55.600 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:06:02.340 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:06:06.160 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

02:06:13.200 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

02:06:19.860 And they have.

02:06:24.320 They will be shot.

02:06:26.380 So they'reutz.

02:06:28.260 They will be shot.

02:06:29.460 Yeah.

02:06:30.180 He does.

Nephilim Death Squad - May 06, 2025

161： Cyprian’s Journey Through the Abyss

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