165： Waco, MKUltra & Media Fakery w⧸ Austin Picard
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On this episode of the Nedealim Death Squad, David Lee Corbo, aka Top Lobster, aka The Raven, aka the Father of Disinformation, is back with a brand new guest, Brohimi and Groves.
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We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.
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And the chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely normal.
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It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave.
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They controlling this now, and no one's talking about how they made a spot to be slaves.
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And everybody's just walking around, heading to clouds, and won't awaken to a dead in the grave.
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But then it's too late, we need to be ready to raise up.
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Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in their hands.
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.
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That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
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I was watching you for a second, and you kind of like, you got stuck.
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I was like, is he just going to sit there looking smug?
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You know why sometimes I feel like the front of what I say gets cut off.
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Like after the intro, and then when I start speaking.
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So I got to give room for it to transition, you know, over into whatever's hat.
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Also, guys, before we get into today's guest, we're going to play our promo for Brohimi and Groves.
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Austin, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, what is it that you focus on and where can they find your work?
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First of all, I appreciate you as always for having me on.
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And, yeah, me personally, I really started with the Underclass podcast.
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That was my solo, like, creative vision as far as that project is concerned.
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Kind of the umbrella project that most of my content, all of my content essentially goes under this umbrella.
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But I'm also attempting to really the ultimate goal and priority was to spotlight kind of the true nature of the state and why I am philosophically opposed and feel much like I am among the underclass, if you will.
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Which is the reason being why I effectively use this name, because me personally, I feel as if I'm entirely disenfranchised.
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You know, I haven't felt any representation for, honestly, since the veil fell to the wayside, my naive vulnerability to a lot of the misinformation and deception and smoke and mirrors that have been truly, in my mind, sophisticated at a level as far as psychological warfare tactics and techniques, really culture creation as well.
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So I find myself at the intersection is kind of how I've been describing it lately, where the occult meets, let's say, organized crime syndicates that run hand in hand with the intelligence apparatus and utilize plausible deniability cutouts like cult organizations and private sector entities for that exact purpose to essentially run distractionary tactics.
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And, yeah, blow smoke and manipulate our ability to kind of just effectively kind of interpret the true power paradigm and how it functions and plays out on a daily basis.
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I mean, fuck, the entire, they're in culture creation, they're in all this espionage, they're operating on the world stage, and they're manufacturing and feeding us our reality.
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Yeah, and so my entire goal has become, and it's like, it's definitely evolved over time.
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It's only been, this is still, it feels so much like it's still in its infancy.
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You know, I mean, like, this is very new still to me.
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And so I'm doing my best to navigate these waters as much as I possibly can.
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But I feel as if I'm also extremely blessed and grateful because from day one, I was provided the opportunity by Sam, obviously, Sam Tripoli from TFH to go on tinfoil hat for my very first interview, you know, public, like, as far as just publicly presenting myself, as well as my creative vision to the public.
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And so that alone felt like one, obviously, as I continue to say, the law of abundance, I'm ultimately grateful for the opportunities.
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But also it was like, it seems like there's been this common theme of essentially, you know, jump into the deep end and sink or swim.
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And I think if you've disciplined yourself enough psychologically, you've accumulated enough knowledge over time in an objective way where you've tried to reinforce your core values.
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You know, what is fundamentally most important, what you should prioritize, then I feel like you have kind of the defense mechanism put in its proper place to where you might be able to effectively navigate those very waters and swim, man.
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And when you start to swim, right, you learn the proper techniques like you feel like the sky's the limit, you know, and I really I'm feeling that way.
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And I think that you guys probably are as well, just as far as I was just talking with with you privately, David, like just surrounding ourselves with with good people, like minded individuals who have, you know, ethical principles worthwhile.
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They're practicing in real time and like that alone.
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Like, so you and I were talking about this and we'll get into the subject matter just for the audience who's who's listening.
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We're going to end up talking about the David, the Davidians and David Koresh and Waco and all that today.
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But before we do, there's an interesting thing that's been developing on Twitter, which is we have found ourselves moon map, dog.
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We found ourselves in the middle of wild speculation.
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I don't know if I'd call them content creators.
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There are mildly popular accounts who are growing on Twitter, anonymous accounts.
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Are we part of some sort of network of or controlled ops?
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And I was saying to Austin, what's significant about that is you got a complicated question, right?
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Well, it's complicated because we're not allowed to answer.
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If I had to if I had to, like, really string it out, it would just be kind of confusing.
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It's not just that it's fun to have somebody schizo spiraling about you and creating conspiracies.
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I mean, as a conspiracy theorist, it is fun to have conspiracies about me.
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But what it does speak to is the fact that imagine the psychology of an individual who's going to spend a disproportionate amount of time digging up research on you.
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We're in a really weird period where the old guard is dying.
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Legacy media is rotten and falling off the vine.
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And many of the people who are leading the alternative media, I guess you could call it, have also been scooped up and co-opted to whatever degree.
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And they're kind of now situating themselves as the new established media.
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So whatever this guy is doing, whatever he's seeing, he's seeing so much of it that he's going mad.
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He's like, why am I seeing these guys fucking constantly?
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There's no way you can get to this point without being backed by feds.
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Or rather, I don't think it's that we're unique.
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I think it's that the time that we are in is unique.
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And the bar for entry is low enough for guys like us to get in.
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And I don't know who did it or why it's happening.
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You could make a bunch of speculations about that.
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But it is fascinating that to whatever degree people are seeing us, it's overwhelming enough for them to be like, this is not organic.
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There's a full court press of the established media who is now dead.
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And it seems like they're buying or they're trying to influence other people that are in this same space that we're in.
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So I think in the opposition to that, people are going to find people like us, people like Austin and Jose, people like Clint.
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They're going to go and look at the opposite of this stuff.
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So like one of the latest things that has the latest people who have been recruited and they've been asking to be recruited for quite a while.
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It's just like it's like an IQ cap that that he's stuck at.
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The guy, Dom Lucre, basically selling himself to the Jews in the dumbest way possible, the most obvious and dumbest way possible.
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I told him just I said, just fucking clean off those dookie breads and move the seashells out of your hair before you put the little hat on.
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And in opposition to that, people are going to look on the other side and be like, well, who's not lying?
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So then they're going to find every time I said faggot online.
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You know what's funny is when they try to throw that in your face.
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It goes to show you how much of a facade or facade.
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It shows you how much of a facade the mainstream media was, the legacy media.
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It had this air of, uh, authoritative, you know, like, but it was, none of it was real
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because once they go away, the power vacuum is, is now sucking us into it.
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We don't have all those, uh, bells and whistles and all the, the, the certificates.
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We didn't go to school for this or, you know, in an, in an era where we were told to trust
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the experts, the experts have fallen apart and the power vacuum is sucking us into it.
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It kind of tells me it was a fucking lie the whole time.
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And I think that within the context of the new media landscape and how it's kind of formed,
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as it's formed in the public eye through these, let's just say, the modernized social media
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platforms, which really became digital gulags, which I think were manufactured to become this
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But I do think that this is, unfortunately, I mean, what has happened in my mind, and it
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is, I'm very optimistic about this, is the fact that they exposed themselves, unfortunately,
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due to their lack of authenticity, and I think that alone is where you were finding this very
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much just an eager appetite for authentic truth, and as far as just, you know, objectively pursuing
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So if you are willing to do something, you know, such as that, right, you have the balls
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to objectively pursue the truth and find yourself surrounded by enemies on all sides, because
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effectively, that's what does tend to happen, although just philosophically, I don't, I
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don't mean like, ultimately, I feel like we found our own people in many ways, and it's
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like like-minded individuals kind of seem to flock to, you know, common, common ideas and
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common principles, and as far as embracing them, and the more that, you know, again, we discover
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people who are practicing this way of life, then you realize, right, that honestly, I'm
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coming to find that, you know, I'm not at all shocked that, let's say, a good example
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is meeting Jake Shields the other day, and you come to find that he's actually one of the
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most down-to-earth, like, principled individuals, such a cool and kind dude, and seemingly practicing
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the law of abundance, just like I mentioned with Sam, right, which is just like the most beautiful
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mentality, right, where there's plenty of seats at the table, you just have to be willing
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to work for it, and if you're disciplined enough and willing to put in the effort and
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the time that it takes, and yeah, and I think, I mean, I, again, I've effectively embraced
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the mantra where I just, I just, on a daily basis, I ask for my heart to be in the right
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place, my intention is to be pure, you know, and my mind to work efficient and effective
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as much as possible, because of how schizophrenic I am, naturally, right, it's just how it kind
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That's the uphill battle, is like, it's a gift and a curse when your brain, you're significantly
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worse off than me, but where I'm sitting, it's just like, your brain goes a million miles
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per hour, you have all these ideas, it's very difficult to try to capture them, not let
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them fall through the cracks, but I am excited to be, if you look at this situation, this legacy
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media, imagine they were taking over, like, a temple, and that was their holy place for a
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long time, and now the temple is empty, and it's just like January 6th, right, it's us
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and a bunch of our retarded homies walking in and going, wow, what's going on in here,
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and I'm looking forward to establishing ourselves in this new temple and making a fucking mockery
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of it, but let's get into this conversation, Austin, about Waco, I thought what would be
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a good thing is, let's start from the conventional explanation, a little, like, thousand foot overview,
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what happened, because there are people that are unfamiliar with it, and what was the conventional
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All right, and I will, I promise you, I will begin there, but I did, I have one last statement
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about what you just said, as far as the fact, the fact that, like, you know, as we're witnessing
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the dying off, the last gasp of the mainstream media, and we're seeing kind of the attempted,
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like, redirection, right, I think, in many ways by the permanent establishment who are attempting
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to kind of compromise various alternative media assets, and then, as well as just effectively,
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I would think, green light operatives within that same context, so you're talking about straight up
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information agents that I would imagine are being, you know, sent into that very, you know,
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alternative media landscape in order to re-corral these individuals fleeing from the lying, you know,
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the last gasp, right, and so the way that I kind of put it in terms of, like, I covered Mockingbird,
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modern Mockingbird, kind of, as far as with William Ramsey, we kind of took it from Operation
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Mockingbird in its infancy to modern day in its current construct, and just as MKUltra is considered,
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and, right, and all of these clandestine covert operations, they only went underground after
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they were truly exposed to the public, right, there was no real transparency, no accountability
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effectively took place, and so you had most of these covert operations driven underground through
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plausible deniability cutouts in order to consistently sophisticate these measures and utilize
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them in different test groups, right, that are isolated, and that in itself played out in many
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ways in a lot of these various scandals that took place domestically within the U.S. after this false
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transparency took place, and so, but the point being, as far as the Mockingbird note that I wanted to
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finish before we move on is just that I think the ultimate goal and the key role of the media itself
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is to amplify and repeat without skepticism, essentially, so you don't necessarily have to
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have each and every individual entirely compromised, but then again, it's like you look at Tim Pool with
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his new White House press credential sitting there, like in my mind, you couldn't be more compromised
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after functioning off Chatham House rules and meeting with Netanyahu, and now you have a White House press
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credential, I mean, like, what are we dealing with here? But, but still, it's very difficult for, you know,
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when it boils down to it, we were having that discussion, like, who is a spook? Who is a Fed? And when, you
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know, it's a difficult thing to honestly... Yeah, can I explain that to Top a little bit? Because he wasn't here for
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that. Top, what I was saying was, you know, within this community, we do a lot of speculating as to who's a Fed,
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who's an op. And I think a lot of what lends itself to that speculation is watching somebody reach a level
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of notoriety, where you begin to suspect that they couldn't get there without the help of Feds or
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without being controlled ops. And now what I'm realizing is people are looking at us that way. But
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we got to this place without any help. And not, I'm not saying it was easy. But I'm saying, now that
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we've gotten here, I can see all the steps that we took to get here. And it's making me do some
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internal, you know, auditing, like, who have I called the Fed? Because I thought that they got
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to some place they should have never been able to get to. But now in hindsight, that's not the case.
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There's a question with like, like Tim Poole as well, let's say for a good example.
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Is he a Fed? I don't, I don't even know if that's the right word to explain what he is.
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Tim, yeah. But then it's like, on the way, as he's like, because, because,
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I have right now, we have our nose, our head down, and we're constantly chipping away at growing
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this thing. I don't know what's being added to or like, what is a real, what is not real. So let's
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say you're Tim, and you're doing the same thing. And you're growing your thing. And then it starts
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growing. Like, I am worried about growing this, I'm not going to look around and be like, hold on a
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second. Like, I think Milo brought it up on his show. And I feel like we're getting a little
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sidetracked. But it's important to this part. Milo was talking about the Russian money. And he was
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like, listen, I don't even know where that Russian money came from. Like, we saw that it came in,
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and we looked for it. And he's like, well, it's a substantial amount of money. How could you not
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have ordered it? And it's like, I kind of get it. He's like, there's $100,000 coming in, but this guy
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makes $10 million a month. And he's like, that's a lot. Where'd it come from? And then his people
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around him don't fucking really know anything. So he's like, oh, well, and then you're autistically
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growing your shit. Well, later on, when you get the tap to come down and meet with Netanyahu,
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it's like, yeah, man, we've already grown your shit. And it's like, yeah, you're going to do
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this. I feel like him, Rogan, there's a couple of people that are like growing their thing.
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But it grew unnaturally. They didn't notice. And it's like, how the hell would you notice or stop
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it? And now you're in a position of it's like, well, now you do what we say. And now he's doing
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what they say. But at least think, you know, I will say this about Tim. Thank you for fucking
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tipping us. Thanks for tipping us off. Because in the most obvious way, like you've done,
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you did this, announced your meeting with Netanyahu. You've been screaming at people,
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anyone who like even talks against Israel a little bit, like in the most obvious way.
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And now you're a White House correspondent is like, we know what you are. I don't know if
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that's what you set out to be. But it's almost like Maj Ture, he's a fucking retard. But he always
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said, if you ever see me driving like a, I'm like a my securities guy, I got a black Bentley and a
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white Bentley. That means I sold out. That's your sign. And I'm like, yeah, all right. Like
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respect. That's your sign. So maybe the sign is like, yeah, I met with Netanyahu under Chatham
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House rules at the White House. That's the other thing. That's how we think that those meetings go
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down. You know, you imagine you meet in a closed door meeting with fucking Netanyahu and he does it.
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But like there is degrees to like I saw somebody I think Stu Peters was getting drilled for this and it
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was like so he goes off about the Jews all day long. Right. And then they find out that his one
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of his sponsors is is a Jew like it's a Jewish owned business. It's a gold, I think a gold business,
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which one isn't. Oh, yeah. Find me a gold business that's not owned by a Jew. But but and he's like,
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yeah, yeah, I guess he is owned by a Jew. And I was like, you know, I'm all for getting these people
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and cornering them. And it doesn't even make you dislike them. It's just like I like watching people get
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pressed. And then but I'm like, yeah, should I start asking all our sponsors what they believe?
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Like, you know what I mean? Like if you reach out to us and they go fucking, hey, we got a company
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reaching out to us right now, Magic Mind. And I got to do I got to go like, hey, fucking Magic Mind.
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Magic Mind, what's your what's your mailing address? I'm going to send you a caliper so you
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could measure your nose really quickly. And I don't know, dude, if there's an owner that's male,
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I would appreciate a picture of his penis. I need to know circumcised or not circumcised.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's like you're in the middle in the middle of trying to build
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something. The Stu Peters Network, fucking whatever this is, you know, and and there's it's impossible
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to vet right now. It's just me and top. We could not vet everything that's coming in. There's no
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time that we don't have time. It's we're like flying by the seat of our pants. So I don't know.
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I suppose that leaves the door open for then finding out.
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That you've been funded by a Jew this entire time and then it fucks up your whole your whole
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salary. You know, your credibility is in question at that point. Look, man, the problem is, though,
00:26:13.900
is that once you're always going to have these naysayers that exist. And again, it's due to the
00:26:20.540
fact that I think personally, I had mentioned this as well, like if you aren't pursuing something that
00:26:25.660
you're passionate about that is truly worthwhile in the grand scheme of of just again, are you
00:26:33.020
actually filling your time, right? With with legitimately attempting to practice these core
00:26:39.740
root principles that you've ethically kind of, you know, ironed out for yourself, you understand what
00:26:44.680
what is worthwhile, how you should spend your time. And in doing so, you might actually accomplish
00:26:50.320
something right by by focusing and prioritizing this path. And I think that certain people who aren't,
00:26:56.780
who basically are, it's it's the soul trap, right? It's it's honestly, it's this, the God hole,
00:27:05.680
right? The new age esoteric ideological system of control has essentially and very, very effectively
00:27:11.860
taken taken hold. And I think disrupted their ability to one, just appreciate another person's
00:27:20.900
success. Because when when you have yet to, to feel in any real way, fulfilled, as as an individual,
00:27:28.960
then yeah, you lash out inherently, I think it's a subconscious thing. Most people aren't even aware
00:27:34.260
of this. And you become more of, you embrace bad ideas to begin with, but you definitely become
00:27:41.540
more of, of, I would say, just very much an envious and negative person as far as your overall outlook
00:27:48.560
and perspective on on, you know, individual success that especially if you know them personally,
00:27:53.620
it might affect you even more so. And I think that there is something to say about that. And it's a
00:27:59.140
it's a, it's a disgusting, natural instinct that happens to people who, again, aren't feeling in any
00:28:07.280
real way fulfilled, and pursuing something they're passionate about that makes them feel like it, you
00:28:13.620
know, it's a worthwhile, you know, just, again, like, what if you're spending all of your time,
00:28:22.640
just, you know, wasting away, right? And what do you have to show for it? And so every step of the
00:28:29.660
way, you're, you're going to have these kind of this negative outcome in terms of your overall
00:28:34.260
philosophical perspective on things. And so, yeah, I just think that it's almost threatening to a lot
00:28:39.840
of people, whenever they view individuals, you know, actually succeeding in certain ways. And then
00:28:46.480
beyond that, you know, you have this, you're talking about the death of the mainstream media,
00:28:51.120
this is the whole point I was trying to make, because there is a reason that public trust is at an all
00:28:55.140
time low. And even the the herd marching in lockstep, as I put it before, it's, it's kind of how I like to,
00:29:03.760
to really just effectively describe this, because they can sense something is wrong, even they can
00:29:11.760
sense something is wrong. And so you have many of these people frantically turning to these various
00:29:16.340
false prophets that that have been constructed in the alternative media landscape. And they're
00:29:22.320
disinformation operatives oversaturating that very alternative media landscape. And essentially,
00:29:27.040
these, these, the masses, right, the masses of ignorant individuals who have yet to really kind
00:29:33.980
of isolate their own principles and understand how they should philosophically engage with reality
00:29:39.100
itself. They're, they're falling into these traps, they're being psychologically corralled into the
00:29:44.440
permanent establishment narrative. And this is in a newly adapted form of modern mockingbird,
00:29:50.860
which has seemingly conformed to me, right, this new kind of what what's basically become this fifth
00:29:58.440
generational information warfare environment. And so that in itself, I think is worth, you know,
00:30:04.680
acknowledging and mentioning, because this is all based on Tavistock methods and, and, you know,
00:30:10.560
of social engineering and deception and creating culture using Hollywood as a tool. And I think that's
00:30:15.880
another thing, right, we, I think I told you guys before, like, there was a liaison office set up in
00:30:20.600
96, right, in, in, in, for Hollywood, right, to legitimately influence, create scripts, right,
00:30:28.720
have have directors come in and provide them with not only like, did you have the Claire Danes example,
00:30:35.020
right, of how she's explaining they went to spy camp. And basically, you know, they had, they went to a
00:30:42.280
meeting at in Langley, right, her and the script writers, do what? For Homeland? Yeah, for Homeland.
00:30:48.940
Yeah, her and the script writers, and and the directors, they all went and had a meeting at at Langley
00:30:54.800
in Virginia at the CIA headquarters. And john Brennan was there, man. I mean, the guy that brought
00:30:59.900
slavery, but back to Libya, you know, that shit where Wanda Sykes was like, Oh, yeah, I was part of
00:31:05.340
the NSA or something. I'm like, what? Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you have no idea how many. It's it's, it is a useful
00:31:14.820
tool. A propaganda machine is a useful tool for an intelligence agency that engages in cultural
00:31:19.620
manufacturing. And so why would they not scoop up the apparatus that is involved in that machine,
00:31:24.860
the actors, the actresses, Wanda Sykes, you know, you name it, whoever it is. There are people that
00:31:29.560
you probably wouldn't suspect, but then you would find out, oh, shit, like, I never suspected that Wanda
00:31:34.300
Sykes was, you know, was an actual fed video to watch. Yeah, it's a strange video for her, because she
00:31:42.440
says it so nonchalantly. She says it as it's just a matter of fact. And it's almost like either she
00:31:47.660
doesn't see the greater implications of it. She doesn't think that it's strange, or she doesn't
00:31:51.120
think that it will stick out as strange to the general public. And if the latter is true, I don't
00:31:56.760
blame her because we're retarded. But actually, I know we never, we never got into it, guys.
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conversation about Waco, because I do think it's an important thing to talk about. So what we're
00:32:46.560
going to do here is we're going to talk about the conventional explanation, the conventional
00:32:50.920
narrative that we receive as a public, and then Austin, the idiosyncrasies, the things that don't
00:32:56.440
add up, the things that you suspect may be true about this event. So go ahead and take it away.
00:33:00.200
All right. So I mean, the official story, obviously, you know, you have essentially, it's very
00:33:09.560
interesting as far as how this was all staged, because, again, like, we should probably begin
00:33:15.660
at the investigative level, like where it kind of but as far as the overall presentation of
00:33:20.880
what took place. I mean, it was only six months after the Ruby Ridge, right, the siege at Ruby
00:33:26.580
Ridge. And, and so that matters to me in the terms of in terms of, let's say, 1992, you have
00:33:34.000
the Ruby Ridge incident. And then you have six months later, you have Waco. And
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In 95, right, on the anniversary of both Ruby Ridge and Waco, right, you have you have the
00:34:16.760
effectively you have the Oklahoma City bombing take place, right, where Timothy McVeigh specifically
00:34:22.380
himself claims that obviously, the Ruby Ridge standoff and the Waco siege, he cited personally as
00:34:29.340
the main reasons for him and Terry Nichols' plan to, to stage the Oklahoma City bombing,
00:34:35.140
and which was only two years after Waco, April 19th, 95. So, and then, of course, that,
00:34:43.300
that really, I think, smeared and tarnished the modern day right wing American militia movement
00:34:50.080
at the time, which I think was by design as well, and also became a huge tool for the total
00:34:57.040
information awareness project that was being set up by the intelligence apparatus, which
00:35:01.180
really paved the way for a lot of these new dystopian legislative, let's say, the precursor to
00:35:09.220
the Patriot Act was passed just after the Oklahoma City bombing, right? So that was another reason
00:35:14.660
for how they could effectively pass through totalitarian legislative action, and also kind
00:35:21.000
of staged the public perception as far as domestic terrorism is concerned, while consistently utilizing,
00:35:28.060
if you remember, in 95, when the OKC bombing first happened, there were reports that it was actually
00:35:32.760
an Islam, Islamist terrorist, right, a Muslim terrorist. And so that was the reports for what?
00:35:39.980
For the Oklahoma City bombing. That was the original reports?
00:35:42.540
Yeah, there were original reports that were coming out that were claiming that, yeah, it was
00:35:46.360
effectively a Muslim terrorist who had staged the Oklahoma City bombing. And then, obviously,
00:35:51.960
Timothy McVeigh, you know, took center stage. But still, it's very interesting how they kind of,
00:35:59.500
again, manage public perception throughout these incidents, and also provide kind of, if you're
00:36:05.600
considering the two-party delusion, and kind of how they really, I believe, the pendulum
00:36:12.300
swing is much more of a controlled swing. They know exactly where it will inevitably end up. And
00:36:18.780
unfortunately, we remain on this dystopian totalitarian path. And so, like, that's my
00:36:23.160
perspective, is that the one side accomplishes what the other cannot. And so that's where you see,
00:36:29.760
like, conservatives passing more gun control legislation than Obama could ever dream of.
00:36:34.360
It's like, right, President Bumpstock, you know what I mean? Like, post-2017 Vegas shooting,
00:36:41.080
like, what do they utilize? They're precedent-setting operations. And so the whole point here,
00:36:45.580
though, is that this is how I, you know, kind of presented this personally, was that, you know,
00:36:53.840
we have to spotlight the federal government's abuse of power, is really what I think is the ultimate
00:36:59.840
point with, as far as just to be had in terms of Waco. And so you have, obviously, this unwarranted
00:37:08.480
conflict, and in my mind, deliberate mishandling, and as far as undermining hostage negotiators and
00:37:14.980
things of that nature, which we'll get into those details. But so it's this unwarranted conflict,
00:37:20.080
unnecessarily escalated by government agents, which would inevitably lead to this tragic loss of
00:37:25.180
life, which included 28 children, right, becoming widely known as the Waco siege. But the way that
00:37:32.960
I put it is that we're all Branch Davidians now, right? Like, honestly, that was the way that I put
00:37:39.180
it in my framework of the story, because that's how I personally felt. Like, as much as we can have the
00:37:47.620
discussion about, like, the moral framework of what David Koresh was, who he was, was he a monster?
00:37:53.740
Maybe. Maybe. You know, it's possible. But do you still go in to rescue the children by burning
00:38:00.700
them alive? Probably not. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Oh, I mean, yeah. As far as rescue
00:38:06.120
techniques, that's top three, at least. Set him on fire, burn him alive. That's a great way to do it.
00:38:12.120
What is, how does Koresh end up with this, you know, passionate following, this cult? Yeah,
00:38:22.420
I mean, there's no really other way to put it. Also, is there any veracity to this being like a,
00:38:29.460
I believe it was like a, either cloning or some kind of like breeding program cult? Is that?
00:38:36.360
Hey, I will say former CIA officials have made these claims. And legitimately, there is a report
00:38:42.680
that was sent to Janet Reno, the Attorney General at the time. And this report claims that David Koresh
00:38:47.840
has ties to the CIA and mind control techniques that were sophisticated and utilized by this local
00:38:53.540
institution that they were actually brain. So essentially, there were, you know, there was
00:39:00.620
a mind control programming, a sophisticated operation being conducted at this local institution,
00:39:07.620
which had ties to the MKUltra operation, which CIA operatives were affiliated with this institution.
00:39:13.720
And they claimed that the Branch Davidians were being programmed out of this local institution
00:39:18.040
near Palestine, Texas, which is very near Mount Carmel and Waco compound.
00:39:23.600
I mean, that's not all of them, right? I mean, that's got to be the most influential people
00:39:28.200
Yes. Which was another part was that basically Koresh and his, his essentially his, the surrounding
00:39:35.600
authorities who were, who were basically kind of like his right-hand men who were carrying out
00:39:40.780
much of the, you know, conceptual outline of the group. They were basically instilling that
00:39:45.840
within the, the, the framework of the Davidians that effectively they were waking up from their
00:39:51.040
programming. And that I've, and now I've heard this in terms of even Randy Weaver as well,
00:39:56.100
that, that apparently, and keep this in mind, Tim McVeigh, Green Beret, these are all former
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of charge. Is there, uh, uh, you know, apparently with special forces, uh, there's, there's a
00:40:36.640
potentially operationally, they legitimately put these Green Berets through mind control
00:40:45.240
techniques, right? Through, uh, sophisticated MKUltra techniques. And that basically that they
00:40:51.920
trigger many of them to become sleeper assassins, essentially that they can, you know, have programmed
00:40:58.020
to, uh, target and green light at any moment to create some sort of scandalous, like domestic,
00:41:03.920
uh, strategy of tension, let's say Operation Gladio. Now, this makes sense in terms of the
00:41:10.680
psychopath machine, how they were kind of like, um, uh, there was a systematic, uh, strategic
00:41:17.380
approach of isolating, um, these specific characteristics, you know, characteristics and, and, uh, profiles
00:41:25.600
that individuals would fit. And essentially it would, it would prove that they had psychopathic
00:41:31.780
tendencies, obviously, and they would be recruited, but basically, uh, according to their lifestyle,
00:41:37.200
most of them were already committing heinous crimes. And so they would, I'm wondering if what
00:41:41.780
they're looking for, Austin is childhood trauma that lends itself to a disassociative identity
00:41:47.360
disorder. Like if you're on the cusp of it, if you already have that proclivity, if they could
00:41:50.660
identify those psychological traits as you are an individual that has, you know, you're
00:41:55.120
on the edge of this disassociative identity disorder, you're a prime candidate for this
00:42:00.640
A hundred percent. And here, check, check this out because Hillary Clinton for sure had more
00:42:05.600
of a, uh, more of a, apparently she legitimately herself could have helped pursue and push forward
00:42:13.860
the, the climactic siege tactics that played out in a very negative way. Uh, which I found very
00:42:19.700
interesting that apparently there there's many reports claiming that Hillary ordered the final
00:42:24.780
massacre at Waco and that it was all based on the fact that the new Clinton, the Clinton
00:42:29.540
administration, essentially it was all for, uh, you know, PR right for optics and in many
00:42:35.780
ways that they just needed, uh, uh, an end to this. Right. And, uh, and so it was a 51 day
00:42:42.080
siege by the end of it, obviously. And, but what I found interesting is that I've, I discovered
00:42:47.960
recently that three of Bill Clinton's bodyguards during the 92 election, right? During his campaign,
00:42:53.760
they were engaged in the Waco operation as officers of the ATF. And this is very crazy
00:43:01.620
because out of the four, cause only four ATF officers were actually killed in the initial
00:43:07.760
raid. Cause there was on the initial raid, the day of the raid, it, it, it resulted in a
00:43:14.000
two hour standoff and yeah, the four ATF agents had been, had been, uh, had essentially been
00:43:22.040
shot. Right. And, uh, and so out of the four officers who were shot and killed in the initial
00:43:26.900
raid, three of them happened to be the same former Clinton bodyguards from Clinton's campaign
00:43:33.300
in 92. Oh, is that add to the body count? It adds to the body count in my mind. You know,
00:43:38.860
it's very strange that three of the four were, were Clinton bodyguards in the 92 election
00:43:46.740
Were they demoted? Like, is that a demotion from a, like,
00:43:50.540
I don't know, honestly, as far as I'm not entirely certain how that would have happened in my mind.
00:43:56.500
If you're a bodyguard, you're not necessarily, are they secret service? Like who knows? I'm trying
00:44:01.780
to, you know, I, I didn't assess if they were secret service because I know secret service are
00:44:06.420
effectively involved in more covert operations than you'd be aware of. Like the, the secret
00:44:11.360
service were involved at, let's say the confessions of a DC madam, uh, with the, with the Henry
00:44:16.740
Vinson, uh, prostitution operation happening in DC. That was basically, uh, these gay callboys and
00:44:22.880
stuff like that, that were being utilized. They were also, they had free range at the white house
00:44:28.580
during the Bush administration, Bush senior, which is very fascinating, but that's where they had the
00:44:33.960
midnight tours of the white house that Paul Bonassi, the Franklin scandal victim who, who, uh, has been
00:44:39.480
an, an amazing resource as far as, uh, essentially exposing a lot of these state sponsored child
00:44:45.100
trafficking operations. And, and, uh, rumors come from that the Bushes were into boys, right?
00:44:50.060
Yeah, exactly. And, and, uh, the reason being is because you had members of George Bush senior's
00:44:55.360
secret service who were running security for that, for that brothel, uh, which, which had was
00:45:01.240
entirely rigged with audio visual blackmail. And you know, who was sitting at Henry Vinson's place
00:45:05.820
whenever, uh, uh, uh, or it was Henry Vinson and, uh, and Craig Spence, right? So Craig Spence was
00:45:12.620
a huge piece of shit and essentially tied in with the intelligence community and, and was running a lot
00:45:18.740
of this, uh, for human compromise and sexual blackmail, but who was posted up at this, this property
00:45:25.240
that was filled with audio visual blackmail, um, in a, in a covert way, uh, very much like, let's say
00:45:31.540
the, the, uh, um, the Epstein properties, right? I mean, two way mirrors, you know, closets with
00:45:38.800
tripods, uh, and, um, and who does he come in? Henry Vinson comes into Craig Spence's operation and
00:45:44.620
he sees none other than Larry King sitting on the couch from the Franklin scandal, from the Franklin
00:45:49.620
credit union, who was, you know, caught in the embezzlement scandal and, and exposed the entire
00:45:53.580
network ties with military intelligence. He himself was apparently, um, um, Paul Bonassi witnessed him
00:46:01.160
passing off money at Offwood Air Force, Air Force Base in, in, uh, Nebraska, right. And which is where
00:46:07.820
they say was the, the hub of a project Monarch, which is trauma-based mind control. That's what that
00:46:14.440
is. Right. And so, and, and I believe that most of it is through sexual trauma, which is, you know,
00:46:21.380
Project Monarch was, it was a little bit different. So there's MKUltra and Monarch. Monarch was about
00:46:25.480
creating effectively like influencers. Monarch felt to me like it was the ultimate way to
00:46:33.620
implement the alters, right? The hundreds of alters of personalities for the M the multiple
00:46:40.220
personality disorder, DID of victims. And, and it seems to have, I mean, you know, it's again,
00:46:48.220
there, there are, these techniques have been very well sophisticated over time. And it's
00:46:52.980
like people, it's very hard to even comprehend honestly, until you've read through them because
00:46:58.040
it feels like, again, you have to, you have to, you almost have to reflect on what you believe
00:47:06.880
is even possible in the reality that, I mean, that's what happens, you know, at the end of
00:47:11.600
the day and it's fascinating stuff. But the whole point of, of at least a brief note on what
00:47:17.280
you had mentioned about the mind control aspect of, of Waco, this is Paul Wiltshire. It was the
00:47:23.680
Wiltshire report that this, this is fascinating shit, man. I just recently discovered it and it
00:47:29.880
would, I would have approached Waco in an entirely different way if I knew that this was, you know,
00:47:35.880
as far as just like potential allegations of credibility, because to me, just knowing that
00:47:42.620
Attorney General Janet Reno, like there, there were absolutely no claims of mass suicide by the
00:47:48.520
Davidians. They, they themselves said, no, we're not going to kill ourselves. And then, you know,
00:47:53.020
what does Janet Reno claim? She says that they're probably going to commit mass suicide, like the
00:47:58.800
people at Jonestown. Right. And like legitimately puts them in parallel directly. And that in my mind is
00:48:04.820
no accident. No, that's a perfect opportunity to engineer public opinion about this event.
00:48:10.560
Oh, Oh, Jonestown. Everybody knows Jonestown. That's a emotionally charged topic and it's
00:48:15.400
sensationalized. And so I'm still, I'm still so, so stuck on the fact that three of Clinton's former
00:48:22.260
bodyguards were ATF agents and they were all the three of the four that rushed the windows. When you
00:48:28.140
see that video, you're like, what a fucking bunch of dummies. Like these guys, this was an arsenal
00:48:32.860
and you're trying to like come in through a window where they see you come. And I was like,
00:48:36.400
that was a death sentence that they sent these guys on. So it's like the order, it's crazy. It
00:48:42.980
creates, it makes me mad at like Scott Horton because it creates this whole idea of what this
00:48:49.680
thing, what, obviously they didn't do this just to kill these three bodyguards. That's like one of
00:48:54.820
these, uh, you know, while we're here kind of things, but it does throw the intention of whatever
00:49:01.520
happened there, like completely upside down. Like you have to really rethink about what this,
00:49:05.380
what this whole thing was. It seems like some of those events, they use them for like, you know,
00:49:10.140
if, if, if Hillary Clinton is trying to get rid of her bodyguards, it doesn't matter if it was that
00:49:13.840
event or another event. Like if she's there and people are going to die, she's like, well,
00:49:17.880
if people are going to die, I know of a few people that could have been tossed in there.
00:49:23.100
Absolutely, man. And especially considering that they had just gotten elected,
00:49:26.700
just came into office. Waco was a thorn in their side for political, uh, PR, you know,
00:49:33.180
just as far as optics wise, like, look, man, we need to put an end to this because everyone is
00:49:38.420
starting to become a little bit, you know, as far as, um, we're having visceral overreactions on both
00:49:44.040
sides of the political aisle in terms of this scandal playing out. And we need to put a, at least
00:49:50.040
put a lid on it and, uh, and effectively control the outcome of the perception. And I think that was
00:49:55.420
another aspect of a lot of this, which is why they could never, uh, admit that they fired first.
00:50:00.600
They could never admit, you know, uh, Oh, I'm sorry. The, the front door of the Waco compound just
00:50:06.200
happened to go missing out of our, our evidence locker. Uh, whoops, that would have unequivocally
00:50:10.940
proven who fired first, but you know, uh, sorry, that was an accident. We, you know what I mean?
00:50:16.420
It's like that, that, that alone beyond the fact that you have, um, uh, man, it was crazy to me
00:50:22.380
because you actually have, um, FBI, right. Claiming that ex CIA officer had Delta force
00:50:29.300
participating in the final assault. Right. And so you had, um, you know, this became like
00:50:35.080
an intelligence sharing operation on the ground level operationally where they were figuring out
00:50:40.580
how can we utilize siege tactics on a domestic citizenry in a controlled test subject, uh,
00:50:48.320
context with, with American civilians, you know, honestly, like that's, that's really what took
00:50:54.140
place. You want to see what, what happens when we take American civilians out to a clandestine CIA
00:50:59.940
black site, where we trained up Angolan rebels in the jungles of Guyana, uh, and, and stage Jonestown
00:51:05.680
where we're, where we're actually fundamentally sophisticating, uh, uh, these methods of
00:51:10.500
psychological warfare on the Jonestown victims and, and then have green berets called in to fire
00:51:17.180
shoot on site right before they even landed all of the remaining surviving victims. Like it just feels
00:51:24.120
like all of this is very much happening around the same window of opportunity where this, this very
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advisor free of charge. Honestly, just recycled tactics, but resurfacing, uh, you know, technical
00:52:09.320
standpoint, as far as the operational standpoint of it, it's, it's, it's almost like you could put
00:52:15.720
Jonestown and Waco right next to each other. That's what they wanted. It seems like at least
00:52:21.060
to the public perception. Oh yeah. What, what were the Davidians like? What was the galvanizing
00:52:25.600
material? What do they believe? Yeah. Before you go into that, you had said just before that we are
00:52:30.680
all the branch Davidians now. And this is like an idea that we've been touching on as well. We're
00:52:36.000
going to be on tinfoil hat in two weeks or so. Uh, we're going to talk about, uh, Andreeja Puharic and
00:52:42.000
his work with, uh, Operation Stargate and channeling the nine. And, uh, what we think is the
00:52:47.560
continuation of, or the, well, the origination of MK ultra, but we think that this is, uh,
00:52:52.340
what we're living through is just a continuation of it, a continuation of MK ultra. Whereas like
00:52:56.580
you're saying we're all the branch Davidians. I'm like, we're all the children strapped in a chair
00:53:01.380
being tortured, but it's done via, uh, you know, uh, inoculation schedule for us. Yeah. It's like
00:53:08.380
these, these events that happened in the past, it's like, they, they do these, uh, like very small
00:53:13.940
trial runs. They'll do them in private. Then it'll have to be disclosed years later. They
00:53:18.500
probably weren't counting on FOIA or things like that, or just people losing paperwork or misplacing
00:53:22.800
it. I believe somebody like left MK ultra on a desk and that's how somebody found out about it.
00:53:27.600
They're like, what the fuck is that? Yeah. And they start reading, asking questions. Uh, so that's
00:53:31.840
the trial. Then they do a practice run and you'll have a Waco, you'll have a Jonestown where they're
00:53:36.660
like, let's see if we can do this on, you know, like to a couple hundred people. We did it. And now it
00:53:41.520
feels like we're at the stage, uh, where they're like, do it nationwide or maybe even worldwide at
00:53:46.700
this point. And we're there, what they do. It's like, they have a thing. They do it in a microcosm
00:53:51.920
environment, right? A sterile environment where they're, where they're practicing. And then
00:53:56.400
eventually they'll change the name and it'll go under a different name, but the, the, the, the research
00:54:01.580
will continue and they'll say the old one's dead. And then once they get to a certain point where it's
00:54:05.240
promising enough, then it's time to roll it out to the masses. And then you become free range MK ultra
00:54:09.540
victims or you become free range Davidians, you know, like that. I called it, you know,
00:54:14.780
at one point I described it as a nation under mind control, but it's like, no, you're, you guys are
00:54:20.080
entirely correct on that. As far as the international scope of this, like it's, it's transcends borders,
00:54:25.900
man. You know, this has become, you know, the, the really, that is why I love the idea and the
00:54:34.260
concept of info wars, right? Cause that truly is like, we, we reside in this modern form.
00:54:41.280
This is modern warfare, right? The control over the human mind. And, and it's the controlling
00:54:47.020
ideas or our ideas controlled, inevitably control the outcome. And so that, that in itself,
00:54:53.500
you know what I mean? It's, it's something that, man, once you begin to realize the level of,
00:55:00.600
you know, the, the, again, the measures that they have legitimately put into place and how they've
00:55:08.620
actually succeeded in these ways of like, for example, Dr. Robert Duncan, I've used as an example
00:55:14.800
multiple times because he wrote this book. He's a Harvard trained professor, wrote a book called
00:55:19.480
cyber and cybernetics revealed. And it is fascinating shit because essentially he's discussing how
00:55:25.740
modern mind control truly works and how, no, they don't necessarily rely upon microchips actually,
00:55:34.880
because they're far more unreliable. They, they truly prefer to rely upon a post-hypnotic suggestion
00:55:43.380
I think there's an addition to that though, Austin. And I think it's one that has only
00:55:47.720
been recognized kind of recently. They used to do it with implants and, you know, metal is a great
00:55:59.360
Even the EMF stuff. Like I'll tell you about it in a second. Go ahead. Tell them.
00:56:02.340
But what I'm getting at is that they never stopped even that program. The same way they
00:56:06.880
never stopped the programs. They just roll them out to the masses. They never stopped putting metal
00:56:10.080
in you. They just started doing it in a slow drip in the inoculation. So the vaccine schedule
00:56:14.000
was filled with heavy metals and they've been giving them in small doses throughout your entire
00:56:18.320
life. Instead of some sort of invasive surgery, you just get everybody on the same schedule. If you want
00:56:23.160
to go to public school, you have to get this. And it's a quick little thing. Just show up like
00:56:26.700
six, seven, eight, nine, 37 times, you know, throughout your life. And eventually you'll have
00:56:31.860
enough metal in you that you'll be great at receiving whatever frequencies they want to
00:56:35.620
And the EMF stuff, it's one of the things that Puharic discovered was called ELF waves,
00:56:42.180
ELF. So that's like extremely low frequency waves. They're like at the Schumann residence,
00:56:47.280
some of these frequencies. And they determined that, well, we can manipulate people's emotions
00:56:52.300
and even have some sort of mind control ability, but they, they scaled it back. Check out why they
00:56:57.220
scaled it back. It's fucking crazy. They're like, it's actually changing the weather.
00:57:05.180
Oh my God. I know. So this motherfucker is doing like dental implant surgeries, like could have
00:57:09.760
even had like an effect on people like L. Ron Hubbard, who started Scientology after having a
00:57:14.940
near death experience after having a dental implant. But this is, it's just crazy stuff. This guy's
00:57:19.380
everywhere. Then you have ELF waves manipulating people's emotions.
00:57:23.380
I know what's happening here. We're, we're dancing all over Austin's research. And he's
00:57:28.600
like, cause we have, we have weird pieces that fit into this, uh, really, really well, really
00:57:34.100
But the ELF wave stuff is crazy. Cause then that, that, uh, obviously is the birth of
00:57:37.800
harp, the harp machine. Cause that, that comes out a little bit later.
00:57:40.580
No top. They never did that. They looked at that. They said, this can, this can alter the
00:57:44.440
weather. We'd better leave this the fuck alone. We better back off and stop doing this.
00:57:49.300
Florida's voting on, on, uh, legislation to stop like geoengineering. So I'm like, Oh, so you guys
00:57:55.160
are doing this. It's like, buy it. If you're going to ban it, then by admission, you're doing
00:57:59.000
it. Right. And everyone's just like, right. Can't ban a thing you're not fucking doing.
00:58:03.060
I mean, well, the project Popeye, they were utilizing weather warfare in Vietnam.
00:58:08.540
Oh yeah. Yeah. We know for a fact that they, they have this ability, but yeah, the harp
00:58:13.420
facility, that's fascinating stuff. I covered that whenever I covered, um, the DARPA's life
00:58:18.320
log project, because I had to in passing, uh, discuss the high memes program where they're
00:58:23.520
like essentially, uh, creating, um, um, you know, cybernetic organisms out of hummingbird
00:58:31.240
flight muscles and shit. It was what, yeah. So, uh, James Holmes from the Aurora, Colorado
00:58:37.340
cinema, right. Then the dark night theater shooting. Yeah. Uh, yeah. He, he was involved
00:58:43.240
in DARPA's Hyman's program and his father and grandfather were affiliated with intelligence
00:58:48.320
at the psychological warfare level. And so, uh, just understanding that, and by the way,
00:58:54.360
he, his father and, uh, Adam Lance's father were both caught up in the LIBOR scandal, which
00:59:00.640
is all about rigging international interest rates, man, and controlling the outcome of financial
00:59:05.440
markets. So we keep finding Austin, you go back to, let's say like 1940. And from that
00:59:12.040
point forward, all the people that everybody mentions, whenever you talk about these things,
00:59:16.760
we've started to realize like every single one of them are intimately connected to the
00:59:21.600
other guy. And as much as I hate these motherfuckers for what they've done, I realized like, damn,
00:59:27.580
this thing just snowballed out of control. Like they discovered something with frequency at
00:59:31.820
once upon a time and its application to the human condition in conjunction with trauma.
00:59:38.180
And that thing right there became the foundation to fucking everything that plagues us today.
00:59:43.800
Everything that plagues us today started in like 1940. And all these guys, you know,
00:59:48.580
Puharich and L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons all the way, they're all just fucking high-fiving
00:59:53.060
and hanging out with each other, you know, big gay orgies and all this shit. And all the work
00:59:59.860
they laid back then is the foundation for what plagues us today.
01:00:03.260
Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I just recently discovered that, well, I knew that L. Ron Hubbard was an
01:00:09.120
intelligence operative, but you know, I'm definitely under the impression now that Scientology itself
01:00:15.200
was an intelligence operation and that, you know, there's a reason that they're directly connected
01:00:19.420
with the process church of the final judgment, which it has, it's overexposed in every single
01:00:24.640
aspect of, of honestly, each and every one of these scandals targeted assassinations. I mean,
01:00:29.480
they were a part of the killing of the King ritual in Dallas in 63, man. You know, what was
01:00:34.640
Kerry Thornley, who's, who's one of Oswald's impersonators who created the discordianism,
01:00:40.320
new age theology, which is a new age esoteric occult religion, which is legitimately what seems like,
01:00:48.200
like Michael Aquino, the Temple of Set, right? Yeah. Claims he had a fallout with Anton LaVey,
01:00:53.780
which in reality is just a huge, in my mind, misdirection as far as they truly just wanted
01:01:01.000
to consistently utilize a lot of these occult organizations for plausible deniability cutouts
01:01:05.520
to run a monarch, human trafficking, right? Drug trafficking, weapons, arm smuggling. Like,
01:01:12.240
that's what I realize now is that- But then there is this element. So they're engaging all these
01:01:16.980
things that are, that are, um, you know, you can find paper trails, you could follow the money,
01:01:21.680
you could understand why this, but then if you look into Aquino, it's like, he's not faking the
01:01:26.980
funk for his love of Satanism. He's not faking the funk for this esoteric occult shit that he's
01:01:32.320
leaning on. Um, and none of these guys are so, so, you know, you have this thing where you keep
01:01:37.540
running into it. I know your research, I know, um, uh, Jose, he's coming on soon to talk about
01:01:41.920
Aquino. And I, and it's like, you try to deal in the tangibles for the audience's sake, particularly,
01:01:48.700
um, names, places, accounts, corporations, dates, all this stuff. But what happens is you keep
01:01:55.180
slamming up against the intangible, which is this weird ass occult spiritual thing that some people
01:02:03.000
have, uh, thrown away. They've dismissed it as like, yeah, a lot of that is smoke and mirrors
01:02:07.920
so that you can also engage in this sort of satanic panic dismissal that, that works really
01:02:13.080
well. Right. You can add a supernatural element thereby when people identify it, you can call
01:02:18.520
them crazy. It works very, very well. There's a, there's a point to that, but yeah, I see what
01:02:25.180
it goes beyond that. And it's like, no, these dudes are, you know, creating ass homunculi. Like
01:02:30.920
there's, there's, they're really doing things. Not just that. I mean, like, like what, what, uh,
01:02:35.100
Austin is talking about here is that there is a specific calculation to hack the human
01:02:39.320
mind. And it seems like these people have the shit dialed down. They have it dialed down
01:02:43.360
to a perfect science. They can do it. And what we're looking at now is the expansion of it
01:02:47.920
across the entire nation, across the entire world. So that is like, but then that, then
01:02:52.740
you get into the question of like, well, what is magic and what is science and what is the
01:02:57.100
occult? Occult just means like hidden knowledge. It's like, yeah, this is knowledge that they
01:03:01.020
know now that they probably shouldn't know, but they do. So it looks like magic.
01:03:06.940
Yeah. And they inherently become the vanguards and the protectors of that hidden knowledge,
01:03:11.220
which is why they're all, you know, uh, at the very least holding like dual loyalty to these
01:03:18.020
various, uh, organizations of fraternal, you know, powerful influence, like secret societies and
01:03:23.760
various, like the pilgrim society and things of that nature. But, you know, yeah, I think that
01:03:29.300
once you realize like, yeah, there's no denying the fact that Michael Aquino, uh, practiced and
01:03:35.260
believed what you write, you know what I mean? It's like, just look up the pictures of he and
01:03:38.740
Lewis. I'm sorry. You don't believe in, you don't not believe in demons and have eyebrows like that.
01:03:45.020
Like the eyebrows are a result of the interactions with the demons. There's no fucking way that that
01:03:50.220
guy didn't believe what he was getting into. Exactly. And, and you, you put him side by side to,
01:03:55.540
with David Ferry and they have very similar eyebrows. I think it's, I'm telling you right
01:04:01.620
now, it's crazy. That's big physiognomy. I'm sorry. If you walk up and you, I don't care what
01:04:06.360
kind of suit you're in. I don't care what, what, what venue we're at, what kind of a setting. If
01:04:10.760
you walk up to me, you have eyebrows like that dark arts occultist. I know what you're doing
01:04:14.300
because you only get eyebrows like that one way. So yeah, a hundred percent. You're, you're showing up
01:04:18.240
to those parties that the podestas are hanging out and you're collecting the same artwork.
01:04:21.000
Pretty sure it's in, in the Bible says thou shall not have eyebrows like that.
01:04:24.960
That's why I trim my fucking eyebrows. You can see the audience knows my eyebrows want to start
01:04:28.340
doing that shit. I have to keep them. I have to trim them so that I can stay within a reasonable
01:04:33.200
bounds. Right. No, but it, you know, what's so crazy is that, um, you know, when Aquino was tied to
01:04:40.700
the, yeah, there's Aquino. Honestly, big fan of the eyebrows though. I really am.
01:04:45.680
When he was tied to, um, you know, the Presidio scandal up in San Francisco at the military base
01:04:51.720
there where they were finding, yeah, all these, um, these obvious satanic ritualistic sites,
01:04:57.820
right. Where they were holding these, these, uh, cult rituals and, and, um, nearby there was
01:05:03.000
an investigation done where this child who was the child of, of, you know, one of, um, one
01:05:08.800
of the military families at the Presidio that were housed there, she was like sadistically abused
01:05:15.160
among, uh, many others who, who described very similar forms of abuse while they were being, uh,
01:05:20.680
while they were being watched and taken care of on the grounds of the Presidio itself in the
01:05:25.000
childcare organization there. And it was because it was directly tied to military intelligence and
01:05:30.100
the Monarch project, uh, being facilitated at the time. So they're abducting children or just
01:05:34.540
utilizing them in these rituals and, um, and abusing them, uh, during the course of the day.
01:05:40.620
And you, you have, uh, the children coming home, they're like three years old. They're unable to
01:05:44.840
even verbalize the form of abuse they're experiencing. Uh, one of them called it like,
01:05:49.360
just like with the McMartin preschool incidents, like, uh, pee pee poo poo baseball and shit,
01:05:55.240
like talking about how they essentially like, you, um, you know, um, mention the, the caretaker
01:06:01.660
by, by, by name, effectively utilizing a pencil in their butts and shit, like terrible shit,
01:06:08.140
dude, you know? And, and, um, but he was entirely affiliated with that, with that sadistic form of
01:06:13.340
abuse happening there while the West Point scandal popped off as well, which was eerily similar.
01:06:19.660
And, um, and so you have one of the abuse, abused children, uh, you know, actually acknowledging
01:06:27.660
who her, uh, who, who she was victimized and abused by. And, and it was Michael Aquino and it
01:06:34.060
was her, his wife, Lilith. Right. And apparently, wow. Her name is Lilith. His wife's name is
01:06:40.540
interesting. Yes. Yes. You, you look up those two, there's a picture of them with a upside down
01:06:45.820
pentagram and they're sitting, uh, with their cloak, their religious ritualistic cloaks on.
01:06:50.460
And, uh, they would, um, they would inherently, apparently during the course of their abuse with
01:06:56.940
the children, they, they would reverse gender roles, uh, while they were abusing the children,
01:07:01.980
which has to do, it has to, um, you know, play it. Yeah. There's another one where she's like
01:07:07.340
standing next to him and she's sitting in like a throne style chair, but, uh, yeah, they're clearly,
01:07:13.820
you know, practicing a cultist that, you know, in more ways than one where, where sociopathic
01:07:21.100
abusers that were targeting and, you know, specifically targeting children that were under
01:07:26.620
a certain age, that thing too, of like the gender inversion shit. I mean, when people think that,
01:07:31.420
um, I'm being hyperbolic when I say like, you know, all of this, uh, gender inversion crap,
01:07:36.620
all of this trans crap, this is, this all stems from like ancient Babylonian bullshit. You know what I
01:07:42.540
mean? And, and if you look to these cults that are still practicing it, you see like, oh yeah,
01:07:47.900
that's where it has its roots. It's roots are in whenever you get to this point where you're like
01:07:52.700
engaging in, in, in speaking to negative spirits. And then all of a sudden now you're, you're,
01:07:58.540
you're an occultist. It's like, that's always an element. There's, uh, sex magic, dark sex magic.
01:08:03.820
There's always child abuse. And there's always some element of gender inversion role-playing or
01:08:08.060
actual, you know, trying to, to move children in that direction. Oh yeah. And in the
01:08:11.820
Concora scandal, uh, in, in Northern Ireland, I, in Belfast, I found out that, um, you know,
01:08:17.500
essentially they target for the occult ritualistic practices. A lot of the, the local chapters of
01:08:23.340
these occult organizations will target prepubescent children for the blood ritual. And that in itself,
01:08:30.140
the Raven is gender inverted. That's right. That's right. There's proof. There's actually
01:08:33.900
proof of it. There is proof. We gotta put that on a t-shirt. Can we put that on a t-shirt top?
01:08:37.260
Uh, my gender inverted pictures. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's awesome. I would love to do that.
01:08:41.260
That's a banger of a shirt. Uh, there, so, you know, in the conspiracy community, you have this
01:08:46.620
concept of like EGI, which is elite gender inversion, which, you know, there's probably some,
01:08:51.020
some real argument for that shit, uh, given Macron and things like that. Um, but I think they take it
01:08:57.420
a step too far, but one of the things that they use is this triangle and they'll try to put the triangle
01:09:02.060
over your face and it'll determine like the, the spacing between your eyes and how it's relative
01:09:06.220
to the spacing to your mouth determines whether or not you are a male or a female. And, uh, I,
01:09:13.100
I did it to myself and I was like, this shit says I'm a female every time, which is, it could be
01:09:16.860
probably raised by women. I was probably almost gay. Uh, so at the very least, my skull structure
01:09:21.820
might've been altered, uh, due to the absence of my father. But, um, this is something that they
01:09:27.100
fucking, they get incredibly carried. There we go. Yeah. It fits perfectly over me. I'd love to
01:09:31.980
turn that into a shirt. Um, but I don't even really fault people for thinking that, that,
01:09:37.020
that shit is more rampant than it actually is because yeah, there, there seems to be,
01:09:41.180
you know, uh, Michelle, Michelle Obama's a man. That's a, that's a whole ass nigga. So, uh,
01:09:46.300
I don't, I, I really don't blame people at all. Uh, me, I saw fire pixie and Dr. Corbo in the chat
01:09:53.340
talk about mention, uh, Ted Gunderson being good friends with Michael Aquino and, uh,
01:09:57.900
yeah, one of the McMartin moms that Ted Gunderson had lived with for a time and I think had a sexual
01:10:03.020
relationship with while he was investigating McMartin, which, you know, draws in, uh, obviously
01:10:09.660
ethical, subpar ethical practices and standards, you know, you would think, but, uh, so that alone,
01:10:14.780
it's like, and then you consider that Ted Gunderson ran the LA office of the FBI for quite some time.
01:10:19.660
So he's never, he's always considered to be like a glowing source that you can't quite all the way,
01:10:25.740
uh, you know, yeah, it's difficult to gauge the credibility there, you know? And, and, uh,
01:10:31.340
and yeah, but I've also like, I've discovered so many lines of evidence that he's, he's provided me
01:10:38.220
and in many of these cases as well, that I I've viewed to be extremely valuable. So it's a, it's a
01:10:42.860
hard thing to navigate. Right. And so there are people that do that, right? Like I'm not,
01:10:47.020
I'm never going to throw, um, Alex Jones, uh, bathwater out for fear of, of tossing out tiny
01:10:53.580
baby Alex Jones, because there, there is a lot of shit that he says that's like right on the money,
01:10:58.220
but I highly suspect he's, he, he's a fed, you know, we're talking about fed suspecting or,
01:11:03.260
and, uh, you know, I, I just don't imagine a guy has a platform that big who hasn't been
01:11:07.340
approached by somebody who realizes that this would be a great, you know, uh, cognitive infiltration,
01:11:12.380
Cass Sunstein fucking kind of an angle to do. Um, that being said, you know, big fan,
01:11:17.100
Alex Jones. I like him a lot. Uh, I think that helps people in this. And if you just take it
01:11:21.980
through that lens, it's like, you don't have to hate these people and you don't have to follow
01:11:25.580
them like they're Jesus. You could just look over to them and enjoy their information every once in a
01:11:29.500
while and then engage in some, some fun speculation as to whether or not they're co-opted.
01:11:35.900
Yeah. A hundred percent. And, um, but yeah, that's, uh, Dr. Corbo. All right, man. I'm sorry
01:11:43.580
that I'm actually questioning if Ted Gunderson's entirely, uh, worth, um, uh, condemning, but yeah.
01:11:50.700
Well, it's interesting, Austin, that you, you even speculated that about, uh, Koresh, which is not
01:11:56.780
something that I, you know, it's not a outlandish thing to speculate on, but it's not something that is
01:12:02.460
popularly espoused whenever somebody starts talking about Waco and the Davidians.
01:12:06.860
The, the squeaky, not a, it's not a squeaky clean narrative, but, but the narrative of
01:12:13.260
a peoples persecuted unjustly by various governing bodies, the ATF and shit, um, is a better story.
01:12:23.820
After you start to speculate that Koresh may have been an operative himself, that, that makes it very
01:12:31.420
Absolutely. And it, it's so much like, and here's the problem is that like,
01:12:37.500
I don't want the, the ultimate conclusion. It truly shouldn't change all that much,
01:12:44.540
except for the fact that there's an additional wrinkle and, and, and, you know, some, something
01:12:48.940
that really, it would only open up, uh, a true, in my mind, a far more plausible, uh, potential
01:12:57.740
outcome because it, it would make a lot of sense of things that didn't quite like, for example,
01:13:03.420
you know, there was a covert operation by, by the, you know, uh, investigating authorities at the time,
01:13:09.420
right. Who, who had set up a house right next to the, the Waco compound and were had infiltrated the,
01:13:15.740
the bridge, the branch Davidian complex. And we're actually like going to Bible study with them.
01:13:22.700
Yeah. It was crazy because again, it's just like, he had given them like, even two federal agents,
01:13:30.060
uh, went with him to go off property and just fire weapons together. Right. And they handed David
01:13:38.060
Koresh the gun, bro, like to shoot, you know, which is just like, how much is this guy truly a threat?
01:13:43.660
If you're willing to do that. And he, he personally knew that they were federal agents and even confronted
01:13:50.060
them at, at, at a certain time. And, and so that alone is just like, my God, like what is truly playing
01:13:55.980
out here? And, and beyond the fact that it was almost like theatrical in the description of what was
01:14:04.140
happening when Koresh found out when being tipped off that the raid was imminent. And one of the, the federal, uh,
01:14:11.340
operatives was who was undercover had, who had infiltrated the Davidian complex was there during Koresh's
01:14:18.860
Bible study when he was told about the imminent raid and he comes back down and he looks at him
01:14:24.300
specifically. And he has a conversation about why is this happening? Robert, you know, like legitimately.
01:14:31.020
And then, yeah, it's one of the craziest conversations of all time. And doesn't that kind of really, I think
01:14:37.180
that is a feather in the hat of men in that it speaks volumes to how we, like, you could, I could
01:14:45.340
suspect you of being a fed. You could suspect me of being a fed. We might even like know this to some
01:14:49.980
degree, but like, do you want to go out into this field and shoot guns? Fuck yeah, dude. Fuck yeah,
01:14:55.740
I do. Absolutely. Like, damn it. That's a good time. Yeah. It's so crazy to me. But then I had mentioned the, uh,
01:15:01.980
Wiltshire letter and I just wanted to at least like for the sake of making that point. And then, uh,
01:15:08.300
I get into a little bit more details and until you want to stop me, honestly, on, on at least trying
01:15:12.700
to provide some sort of comprehensive outline for Waco, but, but, um, still like the Paul Wiltshire
01:15:18.460
letter to, to attorney general, Janet Reno, it became the Wiltshire report and it, and it was provided in
01:15:24.460
three separate, uh, uh, basically three separate reports. And, and so the claim was that David Koresh had an
01:15:31.260
extensive CIA background and was a sleeper who had been subjected to extensive CIA mind control
01:15:36.940
training and programming alleges that Waco is a major center for such CIA mind control
01:15:42.860
experimentation with much of this activity occurring at the CIA's leadership management
01:15:48.060
Institute, the LMI in Waco. And, uh, also names Salt Lake City, Utah, uh, Provo, Utah, Logan, Utah,
01:15:57.020
and Boise, Idaho, and San Francisco as the key locations for, for this specifically, uh, the
01:16:03.660
leadership management Institute and the specific, uh, experimentation programming of MK Ultra
01:16:09.420
being utilized by the agency. And these, these, uh, are interesting because the Utah and Idaho locations
01:16:15.500
are specifically in reference to the Ted Bundy cases, which I found, uh, worthwhile as well. But yeah,
01:16:22.140
so it's, again, it provides the, the, uh, the kind of the alt alternative thread of this, uh, CIA
01:16:30.780
sponsored Colts being implicated with the Delta force being there on the final day, right. And was
01:16:36.780
later on confirmed years after the fact, as far as, um, you know, operatives were sent to kill
01:16:42.860
Koresh. And this is what the report claims in the Wiltshire report and the six other sleepers within the
01:16:49.180
Davidians before setting the fires that burned down Mount Carmel. So it was like, just like with
01:16:55.660
Jonestown, this is at least the allegation being made just like with Jonestown. It was essentially
01:17:02.220
like a coverup operation. We've been overexposed now, obviously we need to burn it to the ground.
01:17:09.500
And, uh, and essentially a lot of the different MK ultra victims who had been utilized in a lot of
01:17:14.940
these experiments, let's say from even the Montreal experiments up in Canada who were kind of loose
01:17:21.180
ends that needed to be effectively tied off. There were reports that they were sent down to the
01:17:26.300
jungles of Guyana during the Jonestown massacre when the bodies continued to accumulate. And they
01:17:31.740
claimed that the Guyanese medical authorities and medical examiner, uh, Dr. Leslie Mutu had, had,
01:17:37.660
uh, he didn't know how to count and that the Guyanese officially just, they didn't know how to count.
01:17:42.540
Obviously they're just stupid. And so, you know what I mean? And in reality, they're just adding
01:17:47.980
bodies, um, you know, because it's, it's truly in my mind, the opportunity was there. And, and what
01:17:54.460
happens when you have to kind of, when a covert operation goes up in smoke, well then let's say
01:18:01.340
you lure down one of the top CIA, CIA watchdogs in the form of, uh, Congressman Leo Ryan, who had been
01:18:08.620
investigating actively, proactively investigating MK ultra facilities and facilities that were being
01:18:13.740
utilized by the agency, including Vockville, which was the institution that housed Charles Manson in
01:18:20.140
the early fifties. And then happened to house, uh, uh, Donald Sinky DeFreeze, right. Who, who, who became
01:18:26.300
the individual, uh, part of the SLA, the Symbionese liberation army, uh, who kidnapped Patty Hearst.
01:18:32.460
And it was all connected to MK ultra. He also went to that same facility. And so it's like,
01:18:37.580
yeah, it's completely ridiculous, but it makes so much more sense when you kind of, um, uh, put them,
01:18:44.860
uh, you kind of like, again, I just think you run both of these narratives in parallel and, and it kind
01:18:52.140
of plays out, especially reinforcing the, the misconception in the public framework. Uh, you,
01:18:57.900
you, you kind of reinforce it with Waco in terms of Jonestown, right. While also conflating David
01:19:04.380
Koresh, you know, to a cult of personality, similar to that of a Jim Jones, right. It's very easy for,
01:19:11.180
for the public to then, uh, dismiss at face value any legitimate reason why you would defend such,
01:19:18.460
such, um, an unorthodox organization or way of life. And then beyond that, you have the sinful Messiah,
01:19:25.100
which was that article that was written that, that essentially called him, um, uh, sadistic
01:19:30.220
abuser of children who is, who's, you know, living a life of, you know, um, he basically took him,
01:19:37.340
you know, right. All, all of these various children, wives, you know, that apparently some of them were
01:19:42.060
even 12 and 13, according to the sinful Messiah, but well, that was what they started saying was that
01:19:47.020
Koresh, he's basically started banging wives and, and, uh, and taking like a high room of women and,
01:19:53.660
uh, I mean, that sort of thing. I recognize the human nature in that. I recognize, you know,
01:19:59.580
there's, there's a pattern to recognize there. And that is when people do this sort of thing,
01:20:03.500
that's always the joke is how long until they start banging wives, no veracity to that.
01:20:08.300
Yeah. I mean, well, I'm saying, do you think that this is true? Did, did, did he engage in those
01:20:13.980
things? Was that, uh, Oh yeah, no, he, he, without a doubt, there was a moral sexual dynamic that was
01:20:19.660
playing out with the group and, and that, that in itself really made me, it was very difficult to
01:20:25.100
contend with. If you're, if you're considering the official narrative of, uh, you know, what,
01:20:30.060
what, well, you know, not the official narrative because the FBI and the ATF still claim they didn't
01:20:35.260
shoot first. Right. So obviously in, in my mind, the official narrative has become, uh, just the
01:20:40.860
government, uh, proving what they're capable of obviously. And, and, uh, and, and, uh, I've said many
01:20:47.500
times before it's the best example for, you know, that they will not hesitate to drive a tank through
01:20:54.780
your front room and, and right. And massacre your dogs and, and essentially target your wife with,
01:20:59.820
with your newborn baby in her arms. And, and, uh, and so again, that's the ultimate conclusion in my
01:21:06.940
mind is that it does provide us with the perfect example of what the state is, is truly capable of.
01:21:12.540
But at the same time, you know, you, you have to, you really have to consider how difficult it is to
01:21:19.740
contend with the, the immoral aspect of David Koresh himself, right? Personally. And, and so,
01:21:25.420
yeah, I don't know. It's like he was considered to be the lamb, right? So he's already the spiritual
01:21:31.420
leader who's kind of taking over this, this very much like, if you consider what his name was to begin
01:21:38.140
with as well, which is very important to understand, uh, is, is kind of the David Koresh and what it
01:21:43.740
stood for, right? Is it's very strange in itself because, uh, David, it, it all like goes back to
01:21:51.420
the biblical King Cyrus, which I also found very interesting. Um, you know what I mean?
01:21:56.540
Back to King Cyrus. I'm looking for my, my Trump coin right now where he's hanging out with King Cyrus.
01:22:00.620
I don't know where it is. Uh, how does it go back to King Cyrus?
01:22:03.020
So essentially when you're dealing with Koresh himself, he actually, you know, the,
01:22:10.540
his name was Vernon Howell, right? Vernon Wayne Howell was his original name.
01:22:15.180
That was David Koresh's name. Why did he change his whole ass name?
01:22:18.460
Yeah. Yeah. Because he was basically groomed at a certain point. He was basically groomed at a
01:22:25.100
certain point by, uh, this woman named Lois Roden. Right. And, uh, it's, it's very interesting as far as
01:22:33.420
uh, George Roden was the son of Lois Roden. And, and you have to understand kind of the background
01:22:39.580
as well, but first, as far as the biblical King Cyrus, this is crazy because Vernon Wayne Howell
01:22:44.540
was chosen to be the successor of the group because they had made this false prophecy that didn't
01:22:49.340
actually, uh, come to fruition and Lois. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a, an interesting point there as well,
01:22:55.660
because, uh, but the last name Koresh was, uh, uh, apparently Vernon chose Koresh because it is the
01:23:04.300
biblical name of Cyrus the Great. All right. That is, uh, apparently the context here. And so you have
01:23:11.260
David, including himself in the lineage, linking him directly to the biblical King David, obviously
01:23:16.540
from, and, and, uh, but this is where you have the last name apparently evoking Cyrus the Great.
01:23:25.580
And so Vernon was reminded of Cyrus King of Persia mentioned prominently in Isaiah 45,
01:23:30.780
according to him and Babylon conquered Israel in 586 BC and took many Jews into captivity.
01:23:37.020
So this is where you have this weird kind of, uh, um, let's say, what was it? The,
01:23:43.500
all the Zog types at the time, like the Randy Weaver types, the Zionist occupied government,
01:23:48.460
right? Which, uh, you know, they didn't believe it in the terms of, right. The, the Israeli state
01:23:55.420
is corrupting and compromising the, the current state of the U S right. The U S like actual government,
01:24:03.180
it was truly like in terms of the, the modern state of Israel and the current Jews aren't the real Jews.
01:24:11.500
Oh, interesting. Yes. That was actually the belief behind it. And so they believe themselves
01:24:17.340
to be the actual Jews. The Davidians believe themselves to be the, Oh, so did Randy Weaver.
01:24:22.860
Yeah. No, I want to shout out, uh, Dr. Dr. Feel good fun. I can't pronounce that other word.
01:24:28.860
Uh, but he says, well, what is that? Dr. Corbeau's feel good. Is that how you would say Corbeau?
01:24:34.780
That's, I think, man, we just trimmed off a bunch of letters at the end of my last name. Um, but he
01:24:39.980
says there are branch Davidians to this day that believe David will return. So they've deified this
01:24:45.740
cat. He is, he is, uh, the, the Messiah to them, I guess. I didn't realize there were still modern day
01:24:52.380
branch Davidians. You would think of the ATF burnt your children alive. You'd be like, we got to call
01:24:56.700
us something else now. But I also heard like some of the surviving members like David Thibodeau
01:25:02.780
claimed that they never even refer to themselves as the, as the branch Davidians. And the first time
01:25:08.140
he ever even heard that term was in the media whenever they were being covered in real time
01:25:12.460
during the scandal, during the height of the siege. And so I found that very strange, although,
01:25:17.420
so it's like they, they, it, you know, it's an offshoot, right. Of the, uh, like the whole history
01:25:26.060
of the branch Davidians, I think is very important. Right. Because again, it's like,
01:25:30.620
if, if you understand like what was playing out here, there was like this hilarious challenge as
01:25:35.180
well for this resurrection contest to prove who the real lamb was. And, uh, yeah. And so like the,
01:25:42.220
the son of the woman who groomed him. So he's like 28 years old, having sex with like a 70 year
01:25:47.020
old woman. And yeah, yeah. It's, it's a crazy story because of the branch Davidians, they
01:25:52.220
technically originated in 55 from the schism from in the shepherd's rod or the rod and, and, uh,
01:26:00.380
also known as the Davidians. And so it, I think it just kind of became a way to describe it.
01:26:06.700
I thought, I thought they were the Davidians because David Koresh.
01:26:10.380
No. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, yeah. And essentially there was, um, there was an internal power dispute
01:26:17.420
after the, the, the, uh, essentially the widow died of the original owner of, or the, you know,
01:26:23.580
uh, uh, uh, Victor Hotef was the president and prophet that created the branch Davidians,
01:26:29.900
right. Technically, which were an offshoot of the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist church.
01:26:34.140
And so the shepherd's rod or the Davidians founded in 1929 by Victor Hotef. So, um,
01:26:42.380
he was the president and prophet who was apparently excommunicated from the Seventh-day Adventist for
01:26:47.660
promoting heretical doctrines, which makes a lot of sense. Right. But, um, the Christian
01:26:53.180
Research Institute, they published something that said that the group was headquartered
01:26:57.100
at a property, uh, you know, near Palestine, Texas, which I think that alone is by design,
01:27:03.260
you know, and, and there's a reason why you would settle in this location and, um, especially,
01:27:08.300
you know, Mount Carmel. I think every single aspect of this is not at all. Um, it's very thought through
01:27:13.980
symbolically in my mind. And so, um, you have at the core of this ideology and the foundation of the
01:27:21.180
Davidians belief was this imminent prophecy of apocalypse, right? So it's a doomsday cult essentially
01:27:26.300
is what it's, what it's, uh, you know, being, uh, labeled as and involving the second coming of Jesus
01:27:31.660
in the defeat of the evil armies of Babylon. But the center had been named Mount Carmel after a
01:27:37.340
mountain in Israel mentioned in Joshua 1926 in the old Testament. And so by 59, Victor's widow,
01:27:44.380
Florence Hotef announced that the expected Armageddon was about to take place. But after the failure of
01:27:50.620
this prophecy, control of Mount Carmel would fall to Benjamin Rodin, the founder of the Branch Davidian
01:27:57.580
Seventh-day Adventist Association known as Branch Davidians, allegedly, that's where it comes from.
01:28:04.060
So he's the one who begins to promote this different doctrinal belief system that, uh, that kind of, um,
01:28:11.260
uh, at least it's, uh, essentially, uh, a pivot from the original Davidian organization and what they
01:28:18.140
had upheld as their core doctrine. And so this all begins to happen as far as like, it, it becomes far
01:28:25.580
more interesting as far as upon his death because, uh, uh, Lois Rodin, uh, his widow took control of
01:28:32.380
the center. And that's when you, you, you begin to have this interesting dynamic play out because the
01:28:37.420
Branch Davidians, you know, apparently under, uh, under Benjamin Rodin, right. They, they, it basically,
01:28:45.420
again, consider the fact that once she's widowed, she decides that George Rodin, her son is unfit to
01:28:51.900
assume the position of the prophet. And instead she grooms this individual named Vernon Wayne Howell,
01:28:57.660
who, uh, you know, assumes the name of David Koresh, right. Who, who becomes the successor.
01:29:03.740
And so in 84, you have this, this dispute take place, right. Where there's this division in the
01:29:09.580
group and you have Howell leading one faction, uh, who, who are referring to themselves allegedly as
01:29:15.180
Branch Davidians. Although Thibodeau claims he never really heard that, uh, self-descriptive term,
01:29:21.500
but, uh, and, and George Rodin leading the competing faction. So after this split takes
01:29:26.540
place, George Rodin and, and, uh, uh, apparently by gunpoint runs David Koresh and, and the rest of
01:29:33.260
the Davidians off the property and they relocate to Palestine, Texas. And so Palestine or is it East
01:29:40.700
Palestine? I don't know. I'm sorry. I thought I heard you say Palestine before. And I was like,
01:29:46.140
that's weird because of that East Palestine, Ohio train derailment. Like I'm wondering if there's
01:29:50.620
a pattern there. Uh, but I think that's just me schizo reaching. Getting texted by Jake Shields
01:29:55.660
right now, guys. So he's like, stop talking about the Jews. Shut it down. Like, no, we're talking
01:30:01.020
about the Jews today. Unbelievable. But, um, this is a crazy ass story, man, because this guy, uh,
01:30:08.220
George Rodin, right. He's, he's, he had dug up. This is, he's attempting to gain control of Mount Carmel.
01:30:15.500
Right. And so it's in like what in November of 86, when, when there's a, after her death,
01:30:22.620
whenever there's this real dispute over the property itself. And so George Rodin digs up this
01:30:28.540
casket of this woman who was a former Davidian name, name, uh, uh, Anna Hughes from the Davidian
01:30:34.540
cemetery and had challenged Vernon, how David Koresh to a resurrection contest to prove who was the rightful
01:30:42.940
heir to the leadership. That's such a cool contest. Isn't it really such a cool contest?
01:30:51.020
I can't hear you top. What'd you say? I said, yeah, Abrahamian Grove, we're going to have a
01:30:56.300
resurrection contest. We're going to kill Toad and we're going to sit there and wait.
01:31:01.180
And nobody leaves until Toad is resurrected. Oh my God. But this is just like, you know,
01:31:08.380
imagine how this, the way that this plays out as well, like it kind of points to Koresh and his
01:31:14.820
ability to, you know, he's clearly thinking in a strategic way that most people wouldn't in my mind,
01:31:23.500
as far as like how you would undermine the ability to, to take control of this property. And, uh, and I
01:31:30.140
think that the way that this played out is, is kind of like impressive as far as, you know,
01:31:35.580
the strategic outcome. And so this, this guy digs up the body of, of Anna Hughes and, and how,
01:31:43.180
instead of accepting the challenge, obviously he instead goes to the police authorities,
01:31:49.260
the local authorities and, and claims that Rodan was guilty of corpse abuse.
01:31:53.500
Hell yeah. And he was, dude, that's such a banger, bro. He's like, yo, resurrection contest. He's like,
01:31:58.280
you're going to prison, bitch. Exactly. Assume the corpse. You asshole.
01:32:02.520
A hundred percent. And then he has, uh, considered that, you know, members of the inner circle of Koresh
01:32:07.960
are like high level attorneys, uh, who had, uh, you know, graduated from Harvard. And, um, and yeah,
01:32:15.000
so, so again, he, he provides this tip, but the authorities say that, you know, we need evidence. We,
01:32:21.960
we can't actually pursue this without any sort of incriminating evidence because we don't have
01:32:26.840
any ability to get, you know, obtain a warrant for, for these claims and allegations. And so then
01:32:33.660
Koresh takes it upon himself, which I find to be, uh, just, you know, honestly, why would he not,
01:32:40.140
you know, at this point? And so, so he and seven other armed companions on November 3rd of 87,
01:32:46.740
they go back to Mount Carmel. You know, they picked seven on purpose too. It's gotta be seven.
01:32:51.640
It's gotta be seven of us. Mm-hmm. And their goal allegedly was to photograph this body to,
01:32:58.720
to gather the incriminating evidence. Although none of them had a way to actually, uh, gather
01:33:05.420
photographic material because none of them had a camera and, and none of them were actually in any way,
01:33:10.260
uh, uh, seemingly prepared for that. But Rodan was informed of, of their, their existence on the
01:33:18.520
property. And he just starts opening fire on, on the, the Davidians that showed up, including
01:33:24.380
Koresh. And so then a firefight breaks out on Mount Carmel. This is, you know, legit like cowboys.
01:33:32.060
Like this wasn't even that long ago, but the amount of firefights that David Koresh ends up in by
01:33:36.660
the time he's dead is like, damn dude, he's made it some real shit. I'm mad. His name's not David
01:33:40.700
Koresh, but, uh, that's crazy. It's crazy how often that was happening. And especially considering
01:33:46.700
that he was, um, essentially he had become a prophet and he was, he was very much at least in the,
01:33:54.660
the context of the group itself. So he, he is warning them of this imminent threat upon basically
01:34:01.100
modern Babylon will come to their compound and they will be, uh, essentially the martyrs,
01:34:07.700
you know, that, that will uphold, you know, the, the, uh, the ancient battle that will take place.
01:34:13.260
One hell of a prophet. That's what I'm saying. Because he legitimately like in detail warned
01:34:18.900
multiple different, um, members of the Davidian complex while they're just working on the,
01:34:23.500
the compound, you know, what are you going to do gardening? He's like going up to him. Like,
01:34:27.360
I'm not fucking with you, man. I know. It's one of the craziest stories ever. We're all going to
01:34:33.960
die. I'm telling you, man. And, and, uh, uh, yeah, I know that, um, when it comes down. Oh yeah,
01:34:42.440
no, I'm telling you right now, David Koresh was, was on another level. And especially considering the
01:34:47.840
seven seals, like I want, I'm desperate to sit down with David Koresh, like all that I wanted to do
01:34:54.300
after, uh, investigating this story. Um, and this case specifically was honestly sit down with him
01:35:02.060
and see what his presentation on the seven seals truly was. It had to be a banger because he's,
01:35:08.200
it had to be crazy. He's getting people, man. Well, look, um, I need to know we're at our time
01:35:14.740
limit today. Um, we have another show to do in, in like 10 minutes, but I wanted to invite you back
01:35:19.420
on Austin and I want to do it soon because I want to do like a two-parter for this. David has hit you
01:35:24.580
up? Cause I had messaged Chaney. She didn't answer me back. Um, not yet, but I have a lot of
01:35:30.680
notifications. It might be in there somewhere. Um, but I do think we should do a two-parter on this
01:35:34.900
because if anybody deserves it, it's the branch Davidians. The least we could do for the bus full
01:35:39.920
of children is a two-parter episode. Absolutely. Especially since I didn't quite get to anything I
01:35:44.720
intended to discuss in a real throwaway. It's a hard thing, right? Cause I'm telling you, I'm like,
01:35:49.940
Hey, tell us what the official story is. And then after that, I want you to start all the way over
01:35:54.580
and tell us what your take on it's, it's a big thing to unpack. And, um, I think it does deserve
01:35:59.280
a two-parter episode. You have our calendar, Austin. Uh, I think we're light this week.
01:36:05.320
Go ahead and book again and let's make this a two-parter. Are you down with that top? I think
01:36:08.720
that's a good idea. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Uh, so we do have to bring it in for a landing now.
01:36:13.760
We got to get out and we got to go talk to Chaney, but, uh, Austin, we're going to make
01:36:17.560
this a two-parter book this week and we'll get the other half done in a couple of days.
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But in the meantime, where can everybody find you? All right, guys, I appreciate you. You know,
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this and, uh, nothing but love and respect. So you guys, everybody can find me at the underclass
01:36:32.360
podcast. Um, it's basically available on all platforms. Definitely go subscribe to the YouTube,
01:36:38.400
subscribe to the rumble and, and, uh, then yeah, follow me on Instagram at the underclass
01:36:43.160
podcast or on Twitter at theater thug AWP. All right. All right. Perfect. Perfect. Well,
01:36:50.200
thank you, brother. It's always a great conversation. Honestly, um, uh, somebody said it in the chat
01:36:54.460
and this is not the first time we've got this, but somebody said that Austin should, uh, have
01:36:58.340
a recurring series. Maybe we'll whip something up one day, but I appreciate not only you spending
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the time with us, but, uh, but also the work that you put in, it's nice to, I'm a, I'm a surface
01:37:08.180
level schizo. You know, I just, I look at something and then I ask my, my gut, if that resonates with
01:37:13.580
me and if my gut says yes, then I move towards it. If it doesn't, I go, it's fucking simply not
01:37:17.720
for me. So I appreciate when somebody comes along and goes, I'm going to tenaciously, probably to my
01:37:23.380
own detriment. Um, and in a way that would shock onlookers, I'm going to immerse myself in this
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content and I'm going to learn everything that I can, the who, the, what, the, where, and the why
01:37:33.960
of a situation. Uh, you do that very well, Austin. And so, uh, I'm grateful for your time and I'm
01:37:38.440
grateful for the work that you put in. And, uh, I hope that people will go over and support your
01:37:42.960
channel. I know you said that the first time that you ever made an appearance as a speaker was on
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the Sam Tripoli show. Um, and I think that's because you have a promising future ahead of you
01:37:51.340
when it comes to this information, there's no longer a mainstream media, Austin, we're the
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mainstream media now. So we've got a lot of work to do. Uh, and I think you're just the man for the job.
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So I, I just wanted to say, thank you, brother. Thank you for being here. And thank you, man.
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That means a lot to me. Uh, top. Do we got anything else? No, we'll be back in five minutes.
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All right, guys, we'll see you later. Obey, submit and comply. Thank you, Austin.
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The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly
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telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes
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is what there is to see. Because they'll be in the face of an explanation that portrays
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the bigger picture of what it is. And they have.