Nephilim Death Squad - 170： The Mandela Effect Is Real—and It’s Targeting Your Bible w⧸ John Kirwin

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00:01:14.380 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

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00:02:10.640 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:15.880 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:03:03.580 What's today?

00:03:03.980 I don't even know what today's date is.

00:03:04.980 It's a 27th, so we are under a month until the greatest comedy conspiracy and chaotic event known to man.

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00:03:24.620 Yes, yes, yes.

00:03:25.280 Let's introduce the guest, David.

00:03:26.900 That's right.

00:03:27.380 Joining us today is John.

00:03:29.800 John of Wake Up or Else.

00:03:31.500 For the audience who may not be familiar with you, John, where can they find your work and what is it that you focus on?

00:03:37.720 Sure.

00:03:38.360 Hey, great to be with you guys.

00:03:40.280 We're on YouTube at Wake Up or Else, all one word.

00:03:44.000 Also Rumble and Twitter and or X.

00:03:47.820 And then our websites are wakeuporelse.com and alteredbible.com.

00:03:53.340 Essentially, we're a Christian fellowship for the truther community.

00:03:56.200 So when you become a Christian, the world persecutes you.

00:04:00.660 And when you become a truther, the church persecutes you.

00:04:03.340 So I have this little corner of God's kingdom where we follow Jesus, but we're also questioning everything.

00:04:11.760 And it doesn't.

00:04:12.080 A lot of times with you when that starts to happen, as you all probably know, but my primary focus is providing a biblical analysis of the Mandela effect, which probably most people in your community have heard of.

00:04:31.440 But there's still a lot of skepticism around it.

00:04:34.120 But you've got Google Analytics.

00:04:37.620 You've got major magazines doing full spreads on it.

00:04:41.740 Fox News has covered it.

00:04:43.540 Several movies.

00:04:46.000 There's over 100 Facebook groups, some of which have over 100,000 members.

00:04:52.140 There's YouTube channels with several hundred thousand subscribers each reporting on this.

00:04:58.060 I have about 10,000 subscribers in 50 countries.

00:05:00.820 So this is not a few crazy people in their mom's basement, you know, eating Pita Pockets, trafficking in the dark corners of the Internet.

00:05:09.360 And they're just confused.

00:05:11.140 And then their crazy voices are being amplified by the Internet.

00:05:15.060 Please.

00:05:16.980 It's not what's happening.

00:05:19.280 That was something.

00:05:20.560 We were just talking about a pre-show about the statistical impossibility of this being.

00:05:28.060 Well, the Mandela effect being just random.

00:05:33.160 And it kind of reminded me of some of Jerry Marzinski's research where he's looking into schizophrenia and he's narrowed it down to it being a set of not just coincidences, not hallucinations, but a set of repeatable patterns that would be impossible to be random.

00:05:52.560 So it's kind of like full.

00:05:54.120 And that that work comes along the lines of like when we're talking about entities and things that are moving our culture, our society behind it.

00:06:01.880 So I wonder, how does how does that work?

00:06:04.920 Where does that fit into your framework of what this Mandela effect is and what it's doing?

00:06:09.840 I heard the words, but I didn't quite understand the question because you restate it so I can answer correctly.

00:06:15.500 Yeah, it was a retarded question.

00:06:16.760 My bad.

00:06:17.040 No problem.

00:06:19.460 You're immediately forgiven.

00:06:20.520 No, I was saying that Jerry Marzinski does work with he does work with schizophrenic patients and the modern definition of schizophrenia is that it's hallucinations, a bunch of random voices in someone's head.

00:06:34.480 But he's narrowed it down to a pattern and there's like 22 repeatable or 21 repeatable patterns.

00:06:40.020 So he's like, it's a statistical impossibility that these are just hallucinations.

00:06:44.560 There are entities that work behind this because there is a pattern it's following.

00:06:48.780 So there's a pattern that's being followed with a Mandela effect as well, where people are repeating the same things.

00:06:53.980 And it leads you to wonder why.

00:06:56.000 Like, is there higher powers at work or lower powers?

00:06:58.840 What do you think?

00:06:59.260 Right.

00:06:59.940 Right.

00:07:00.240 We're not really sure what it is.

00:07:02.320 We just know what it isn't.

00:07:03.880 It's not misremembering.

00:07:05.580 Because first of all, there's never been an event in recorded history that I can find where basically all of humanity is suddenly reporting that hundreds of things in multiple categories are no longer as they vividly remember them.

00:07:19.780 We're talking like your name or the color of grass or how many bowling pins there are.

00:07:24.640 Okay.

00:07:24.920 This is not like, oh, yeah, I had lunch three weeks ago.

00:07:28.840 I can't, I can, no.

00:07:30.480 So the idea that we're delusional doesn't really play well because we have, we now have a peer-reviewed study that scientific communities taken notice.

00:07:41.120 And one of the things the peer-reviewed study found was that both groups share the same memories.

00:07:47.220 The Mandela affected and the unconvinced have the same memories.

00:07:52.500 So if we're delusional, then so are you, naysayer.

00:07:56.800 Sorry about your problems.

00:07:58.860 I've been thinking a lot about the Mandela effect and, you know, we don't know why it's happening.

00:08:05.020 It seems that it certainly is.

00:08:06.920 You know, eventually you're overwhelmed by a body of anecdotal evidence and it becomes a body of evidence.

00:08:12.280 And I can't exactly theorize why it would be.

00:08:17.680 But I suppose what you could do then is look at the effects of it.

00:08:21.740 Like, what are we losing or gaining because of these inconsistencies in our memories versus, you know, reality or alleged reality?

00:08:30.360 And I just, I find that difficult.

00:08:33.720 Sometimes I think maybe it's a fracturing.

00:08:38.700 If you can alter an individual's memory of the past and you could do it at scale, then maybe what it does is it at least gives you a feeling of instability in the timeline.

00:08:51.280 And so what I'm getting at here, John, is that over the past few years, we've been inundated with this, like, multiverse narrative.

00:08:57.540 And the multiverse is coming from everywhere.

00:08:59.180 It's coming from Marvel movies.

00:09:00.500 It's coming from children's cartoons.

00:09:01.900 It is the new hot thing, you know.

00:09:04.320 And it's been that way for maybe, like, five, six years.

00:09:07.780 And I don't know if I subscribe to the multiverse.

00:09:12.280 It doesn't, it seems not too fantastic, but it seems like it doesn't fit in with God's creation the way that I've come to understand it.

00:09:21.300 And it does strike me as significant that if you could create this feeling of instability in your own past experience, then that might lend itself to you believing in this totally random, never-ending branch of multiverse.

00:09:38.700 Yep, yep, yep.

00:09:40.080 So that's a, here's a answer to your question, which I understand your question.

00:09:45.660 I believe that in a, like, when you're in a war, they have a term called collateral damage.

00:09:54.560 You're trying to get the bad guy, but you kill a bunch of kids on the way, and that's just law.

00:09:58.880 That's just war, right?

00:10:00.280 So I believe that this event is taking place to get to the Bible.

00:10:05.200 And all of the different things in pop culture are just collateral damage.

00:10:09.540 The reason I say that is because this event was actually predicted with stunning accuracy in a number of places in the Scripture.

00:10:18.180 Like Daniel 7.25, he will seek to change times and laws.

00:10:24.080 Now, I've written a book that's available for free because I'm a ministry.

00:10:29.500 It's called The Mandela Effect, Supernatural Bible Changes and the Doctrine of the Preservation of Scripture.

00:10:35.400 So I've been in the ministry full-time for about 20 years, part-time for 20 years.

00:10:40.960 I've been in the church, on the platform, doing church.

00:10:45.340 I love God.

00:10:46.700 I love his word.

00:10:48.040 I'm a fundamentalist.

00:10:49.380 I don't question God's authority.

00:10:53.860 And all of the issues around this doctrine of preservation thing have been mishandled.

00:10:58.860 Okay, so what's happening, though, is that this is actually not the devil getting the upper hand on God.

00:11:06.920 This is a judgment from God because the church has exchanged a prophetic, hearing-his-voice type of relationship.

00:11:18.140 Christianity with an intellectual, miracle-free gospel, and they've turned the Bible into an idol, just like the Pharisees did.

00:11:26.260 Think of the interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees.

00:11:30.880 That's why God is doing this.

00:11:33.500 It's a Tower of Babel judgment.

00:11:36.820 And I cover this in the book.

00:11:39.160 There's about seven or eight different places through the Scriptures where God withdrew his voice.

00:11:46.760 He withdrew his word, like Amos 8-11.

00:11:49.160 Listen, I, this is God talking, I will send a famine, but not a famine of bread.

00:11:55.860 It'll be a famine of the word, and men will seek the word.

00:11:59.500 Now, you could try to suggest that that wasn't a prophecy where the written Scriptures, it's irrelevant.

00:12:07.480 Okay?

00:12:07.800 I'm just saying that this is our God.

00:12:09.680 This is how he rolls.

00:12:10.920 If you turn his gifts of the writings of the prophets into an idol, he's going to, out of his love, to restore you to himself, he's going to come in and do what he's doing.

00:12:27.880 It's not unprecedented at all to suggest that this is happening.

00:12:32.220 Is this a similar thing, John, to God sending a strong delusion to those unwilling to see the truth?

00:12:37.260 2 Thessalonians, yeah.

00:12:38.740 And also, there's about four or five different examples, in addition to the Tower of Babel, where God sent confusion as a judgment.

00:12:49.400 He sent confusion into the camp, and they were running around, bumping into each other.

00:12:52.960 So this is, you know, God's method of operations, doing what he's doing.

00:12:57.340 It's something that we touch on on the show a lot about the fall of the modern church and what it is, what it was supposed to be, why I have such a strong distaste for it.

00:13:10.000 And I often think, like, is it me?

00:13:12.580 Am I being a jerk?

00:13:15.080 Because I grew up in the church.

00:13:17.420 I was kicked out of the church for, you know, not, like, bad.

00:13:21.820 I spoke back to the pastor.

00:13:23.560 I thought he was doing wrong.

00:13:24.440 But when you're in it and when you're in ministry, you see the underbelly of it, and it looks kind of, it looks disgusting, you know?

00:13:31.500 And, but I'm often trying to, like, go back and make sure that it's not just me that is spreading a message.

00:13:38.400 And I don't want to push people away from something that's good.

00:13:40.560 Do you think that this is fallen as well?

00:13:42.920 Well, I don't paint the entire church with a broad brush like a lot of people because I've been in the kitchens of these servants of God, and they're not all Freemasons secretly acting as pastors.

00:13:56.860 They're not all on the take.

00:13:58.680 They're not all in it for the money.

00:14:00.180 They're not all pedophiles.

00:14:01.560 It's not true.

00:14:02.440 I'm not.

00:14:04.120 And a lot of these people I know personally.

00:14:06.100 So, yes, the church has been infiltrated.

00:14:08.900 Yes, we're operating on a model that isn't really New Testament.

00:14:13.800 It was house to house.

00:14:15.440 The congregational format is a structure that really doesn't serve God's purposes.

00:14:22.100 So, those of us, especially in the truth of community, a lot of us have had to leave the church to find Jesus.

00:14:28.780 So, yes, your observations are validated.

00:14:31.340 But let me just address what took me eight years, or it took God eight years, to really show me how to essentially prove that this is happening, because all of the different arguments are subjective.

00:14:48.300 Okay?

00:14:48.520 The examples that I'll give at some point here are so shocking that they should be enough.

00:14:55.400 I mean, my friend, Dr. Paul Grafton Holt, he has four theological degrees, including a Ph.D. in theology.

00:15:02.660 So, if you think that I or anybody claiming this is just biblically illiterate, you'd have to make that work with Dr. Paul Grafton Holt.

00:15:11.120 Look him up.

00:15:11.640 He's got 12 books, many of which are used as a curriculum for Bible colleges, for the love of heaven.

00:15:20.840 All right?

00:15:21.540 And he wrote a 12th book called The King James Bible and the Quantum Effect.

00:15:27.360 So, he's out there.

00:15:28.840 I got an interview on all my channels with him, and he's coming back for another one.

00:15:35.680 So, the way that we now know that this is happening, okay, there's all these people, it's millions of people, according to my research, are claiming that this is not only realities morphing,

00:15:48.120 but the Bible is among the things that are changing.

00:15:50.800 Well, that bumps up against the long-held tradition of the doctrine of preservation.

00:15:56.740 And it basically goes like this.

00:15:58.500 The Bible can't change because God preserves his word.

00:16:02.920 Right.

00:16:02.980 That's like Deuteronomy, right?

00:16:05.120 Deuteronomy chapter 4 somewhere.

00:16:06.960 And in the book of Revelation.

00:16:08.100 But the book of Revelation, that verse, to me, it seemed like it pertains to the book of Revelation.

00:16:13.600 I'm not sure.

00:16:14.180 Well, there's about 7 to 10, maybe 15 different passages which are relied on to demand that the Bible has a force field around it.

00:16:26.260 But what it comes down to is a matter of semantics.

00:16:30.180 Okay, what is the definition of the term word?

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00:16:49.400 The Bible, the scripture, and the word are being conflated all to mean the same thing, but they're not.

00:16:56.560 Like, the Bible doesn't say, heaven and earth will pass away, but my scripture won't pass away.

00:17:03.400 Or, thy scripture, O Lord, is forever settled in heaven.

00:17:08.200 Okay, it doesn't say that.

00:17:10.140 What it says is, thy word is forever settled in heaven.

00:17:13.380 So, are the terms word and scripture actually identical?

00:17:17.760 Because that's how they're being used by 99% of the church leaders.

00:17:22.480 Okay, so, example, in the Gospel of John, chapter 1, we are given the clearest definition for the term word.

00:17:33.760 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

00:17:39.400 So, this is one example of where the term word does not mean your King James Bible in English on your coffee table.

00:17:46.820 Therefore, if you hold out the promise, heaven and earth will pass away, but my Bible won't pass away,

00:17:55.660 that's not what the Bible is saying.

00:17:57.960 That's not what the scriptures are teaching.

00:18:00.140 The term word is something much more profound than your written scriptures.

00:18:06.180 You also have Revelation 19.13.

00:18:08.600 He was clothed with a robe, dipped in blood, and his name is called the Word of God.

00:18:16.040 So, now I have two theological foundational principles to argue that perhaps some or all of the preservation promises

00:18:28.160 are being mishandled with sloppy doctrine, because you're just mashing together the term Bible, scripture, and word

00:18:35.060 like they're all synonymous.

00:18:36.540 Think about it.

00:18:37.640 If I tell you the Bible can't change because God preserves his word, bless God, praise God,

00:18:43.020 is that really what the scripture is teaching?

00:18:47.600 Is the scripture teaching that the Bible won't change?

00:18:51.620 There's no passage that says that.

00:18:54.980 That's something that you've got to have found yourself, I guess, receiving a lot of pushback against, right?

00:19:01.220 Because for many people, especially those in the church, there are plenty of examples of the Bible being treated like some sort of an idol, right?

00:19:10.360 Yeah, the solo scriptura people.

00:19:12.380 Would you consider this blasphemy then?

00:19:14.660 I mean...

00:19:15.020 I am more solo scriptura than anybody that takes an issue with this.

00:19:20.980 But you do find many people who take an issue with it.

00:19:23.180 Well, of course.

00:19:24.100 In the basic sense, my position is heretical, which is defined as being outside of the Oberton window, right?

00:19:31.900 It's outside the norm.

00:19:33.520 However, if you study the doctrine of preservation, and I did, and I went and I listened to all the patriarchs of the faith pontificating on what is the doctrine of preservation.

00:19:45.500 And when I first started listening to it, I was really surprised because they'd spend 20 minutes on the idea that the word is inspired.

00:19:54.140 And I'm sitting there going, okay, well, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

00:19:59.960 I want to know if the scriptures teach that it couldn't be subject to an external attack like this.

00:20:06.180 Right.

00:20:06.340 Does it have a force field promise?

00:20:08.320 And so what you find is that there's this assumption that because God inspired the word, then it's sacrosanct and it's just impossible that God could, the devil could possibly mess with something that God had inspired.

00:20:25.280 Well, guess what?

00:20:26.240 You can't produce one scripture that teaches inspiration equals preservation.

00:20:31.700 I mean, okay, so what they're relying on is 10,000 upon 10,000 statements by men and women of God over centuries.

00:20:43.720 There have been libraries of books written that basically say the same thing thousands of different ways.

00:20:50.980 And this is what they say.

00:20:52.800 Well, if God went to all this trouble to create, to give us the word, then of course he's going to preserve it.

00:21:01.700 Or if God inspired his word, of course he's going to preserve it.

00:21:07.340 What, what, what, it wouldn't make any sense.

00:21:09.520 Right.

00:21:09.860 So my question to everybody listening is, is what I just said a doctrine?

00:21:17.320 No.

00:21:17.940 I mean, listen, God, God went through all this trouble to create the earth.

00:21:21.640 That's right.

00:21:22.220 Gave it to man.

00:21:23.060 And then immediately, almost immediately, he was given unto Satan.

00:21:26.260 Thank you.

00:21:27.120 Ding, ding, ding.

00:21:27.660 I have a list of all these things that got inspired and then were corrupted.

00:21:32.620 Okay.

00:21:32.860 So my, but it's worse than that because this idea, in other words, the doctrine of preservation

00:21:39.480 rests on two pillars.

00:21:41.460 The first, and I, and being in the ministry 40 years, I never really looked into it.

00:21:46.540 And most of the listeners haven't really looked into it, including church leaders.

00:21:50.480 They've just accepted what they've been told from the front of the room in a general sense,

00:21:54.740 just like I did.

00:21:55.940 I guarantee it because I'm talking to people and they've got a deer in the headlights expression

00:21:59.900 when I start bringing this up.

00:22:01.720 So the first pillar is this thing called theological necessity.

00:22:06.620 And what this teaches is that because God went to all this trouble, of course, he's going

00:22:12.340 to preserve it.

00:22:12.860 Well, that's a sentimental argument like Peter.

00:22:16.440 Oh, you're not going to the cross over my dead body.

00:22:19.020 Then Jesus was like, bro.

00:22:22.520 So, so, but, but it's taught as doctrine.

00:22:26.900 It's called the doctrine of preservation.

00:22:29.380 And those concepts are brought forward.

00:22:32.400 And the term doctrine is sprinkled in there and it's deceptive.

00:22:36.400 So this is why I said all this, because you brought up solo scriptura and heresy.

00:22:40.860 And here I am demanding a strict adherence to the scripture, not 10,000 great men and women

00:22:50.580 of God who have come before us, who have an opinion.

00:22:54.880 Okay.

00:22:55.200 The 10 commandments is doctrine.

00:22:57.800 What Joe Schmo said a thousand years ago isn't doctrine, but it's being taught as doctrine.

00:23:04.140 And what that is, is a violation of the scripture where Jesus said, you teach, you nullify the power

00:23:10.220 of God, teaching as doctrine, the traditions of men.

00:23:14.940 That is the first half of the doctrine of preservation.

00:23:18.120 It is a tradition of men that is nullifying the power of God and it's being taught as

00:23:24.000 doctrine and it's shameful.

00:23:26.280 And it forces good men and women of God to then try to mangle passages like Psalms 12 to

00:23:33.200 try to convince us that this is teaching preservation when it's nothing of the kind.

00:23:37.400 It's an outrage.

00:23:38.160 I see a lot of people in the chat talking about translations and I'm somebody who's new to

00:23:43.920 Christianity.

00:23:44.740 And so I still have a lot to learn, but it does strike me as significant that so much

00:23:49.760 is lost in translation from Greek to Hebrew to English.

00:23:52.620 Yes.

00:23:52.900 And even that alone, because when you translate much of the context of the word is lost or

00:23:58.960 much context is added to the new word.

00:24:01.100 And that strikes me as an inability to preserve even, even that on its face.

00:24:06.860 Am I, am I wrong in that assessment?

00:24:08.660 No, let me, let me provide everybody the, the objective, undeniable, unequivocal evidence

00:24:15.180 that you need to, to give yourself permission to consider the evidence.

00:24:20.880 Okay.

00:24:21.820 Because what I finally realized is that we're not misremembering.

00:24:26.320 We're misremembering in unison.

00:24:29.600 There is no possible way that everybody in the world, I mean, I've, I've been doing this

00:24:35.700 for eight years.

00:24:36.340 I have posts from 50 countries and people in Iran, Sweden, all over the, oh yeah, it's all

00:24:43.200 changing here.

00:24:43.960 So this is a worldwide phenomenon.

00:24:46.620 Okay.

00:24:46.980 And their pastors are misquoting the scriptures from the front of the room.

00:24:50.300 So this is a worldwide phenomenon that affects all of humanity.

00:24:54.200 I misquoted scripture in the Brie show.

00:24:55.960 Yes, you did.

00:24:56.840 Immediately.

00:24:57.240 And he was like, that's wrong.

00:24:58.380 Let's start the show.

00:24:59.580 That's right.

00:25:00.380 Yes.

00:25:01.460 Yeah.

00:25:01.900 He said, my people perish from lack of knowledge and, and see what I'll share with you today

00:25:07.380 is I've, I've got probably about 15 passages that are not only wildly unfamiliar, but they're

00:25:15.460 also doctrinal paradoxes that shock every Christian I share them with because they're unfamiliar

00:25:21.460 to who God is.

00:25:23.440 And they're forced to admit, yeah, I never knew that was in the Bible.

00:25:26.680 Okay.

00:25:26.940 But let me give you the evidence.

00:25:28.120 The, the, the probability of just five people misremembering five simple Bible quiz questions

00:25:37.700 by chance is approximately 10 to the 25th power.

00:25:42.800 I'll, I'll share the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the prompt for chat GBT that I used

00:25:49.780 to get that math.

00:25:50.700 I basically assumed that there's only 10 possible answers, which is very conservative.

00:25:55.060 And what comes out is, is a one with 25 zeros to one.

00:26:02.600 And to give you a reference, one in 10 to the 18th power is one in one quintillion.

00:26:07.280 So this is a very high number.

00:26:09.200 However, it's not five people.

00:26:11.480 It's virtually everybody.

00:26:12.740 And it's not just five scriptures.

00:26:14.500 It's probably closer to 15.

00:26:16.840 And you can go to altered Bible.com and you can take my online Bible quiz.

00:26:22.460 It's got 16 questions and you'll probably fail most of them, which is not possible.

00:26:28.140 And you'll fail the same way that every other human being that's ever exposed to the Bible.

00:26:32.800 Watch me fail them.

00:26:34.560 Okay.

00:26:35.500 You want to do it?

00:26:36.820 Yeah.

00:26:37.080 Take the online quiz.

00:26:38.720 All right.

00:26:38.860 Let's not do it now.

00:26:40.260 All right.

00:26:40.700 So, so what this means is we're not misremembering.

00:26:44.700 We're misremembering the same way.

00:26:46.420 So, unless you can provide a rational explanation for how everybody, if you say, let's try it.

00:26:57.000 Okay.

00:26:57.220 Let's try it with you guys.

00:26:58.140 The first two are King James only scriptures.

00:27:00.840 They're very familiar and they're only in the King James Bible.

00:27:04.420 The first one is Matthew 7.

00:27:08.500 Judge not blank.

00:27:10.200 Ye be judged.

00:27:11.280 Less ye be judged.

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00:27:25.120 Hashtag make a play.

00:27:29.260 Do you guys agree?

00:27:32.100 Yes, but it's probably wrong.

00:27:34.060 Well, give me the whole thing from memory.

00:27:36.400 Like, I'm not giving you multiple choice.

00:27:37.760 So, quote it from memory.

00:27:39.120 Oh, it's not going to be my memory.

00:27:40.220 That's for sure.

00:27:40.640 Judge, judge not.

00:27:43.200 Judge not, lest ye be judged.

00:27:44.660 That's what I remember.

00:27:45.880 Right.

00:27:46.120 Now, that, what just came out of your mouth will also come out of the mouths of, I don't

00:27:51.140 know, I'm assuming it's everybody, so it's billions of people.

00:27:55.020 But that scripture has never existed in the King James Bible.

00:27:58.540 It's not in the 1611, five revisions, the 1769 Oxford.

00:28:03.580 It's not in any edition that exists on any shelf in any century, and there's no exceptions.

00:28:11.020 It isn't in any modern version either.

00:28:14.280 So where does it come from?

00:28:15.820 Why would we remember it that way?

00:28:18.020 Well, that's the question, okay?

00:28:19.960 And my response is this.

00:28:22.480 A forest doesn't fall down without a wind or a bomb or a meteor or an earthquake.

00:28:28.700 A forest doesn't just fall over.

00:28:30.460 There has to be causation.

00:28:32.880 Okay?

00:28:33.040 So you can't have everybody misremembering the same way, because you didn't say, judge

00:28:40.600 not, because otherwise you'll be judged.

00:28:44.260 You didn't say something different than everybody.

00:28:46.680 You said the exact same.

00:28:48.860 Therefore, it had to get in there somehow.

00:28:51.220 Now, the only possible explanation, which is so far-fetched and is so embarrassing that

00:28:58.640 I still can't believe it.

00:28:59.760 But I'm here to tell you that I've had the intelligentsia of the body of Christ be forced

00:29:05.720 into this corner with me, and they will tell me, well, I can explain this, John.

00:29:10.900 I could clear this up.

00:29:12.260 This is just because of misquotes from pop culture.

00:29:16.120 This is just because it's in this movie line or it's in this song.

00:29:20.100 And some guy 50 years ago said, judge not, lest ye be judged, and it went through the entire

00:29:25.360 world like a telephone game.

00:29:26.860 And I'm looking at him like, you're really going to go with that?

00:29:31.320 I don't care what misquote I see on Facebook.

00:29:35.280 I know my Bible, sir, don't you?

00:29:38.560 I mean, if you saw somebody on Facebook saying there is no God, would you suddenly become an

00:29:43.280 atheist?

00:29:44.280 No.

00:29:45.560 It's ridiculous.

00:29:47.100 I cover that in a video refuting misquotes.

00:29:50.420 All right.

00:29:50.620 So let me give you another one.

00:29:52.580 This one is also as familiar as mom and apple pie.

00:29:55.640 What's the original?

00:29:56.720 What is it supposed to be?

00:29:57.580 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:29:57.600 It's always said in this timeline, judge not so that you won't be judged or judge not that

00:30:06.340 you won't be judged.

00:30:07.780 It doesn't say less.

00:30:09.120 There is no thing that says judge not lest you be judged.

00:30:11.980 It doesn't exist.

00:30:12.700 There's one version that has a lest in it, but it's different.

00:30:17.700 It says judge not that you be not or so that you won't be judged or something like that.

00:30:22.220 But that one doesn't exist.

00:30:23.860 All right.

00:30:24.080 The Lord blank and the Lord blanks away.

00:30:27.960 The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

00:30:30.220 See, it's like that.

00:30:31.180 It's like self-evident.

00:30:32.200 Boom.

00:30:32.520 It's right in your mind.

00:30:33.200 I'm not reaching for these.

00:30:34.680 These are a matter of knowledge, known facts.

00:30:38.040 Public record, baby.

00:30:39.420 Public record.

00:30:40.060 That's what it feels like.

00:30:40.900 It feels like something I know.

00:30:41.640 Branded on our brain scab.

00:30:43.660 All right.

00:30:43.940 So, judge.

00:30:45.400 All right.

00:30:45.600 So, this is the Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away is what the King James Bible has

00:30:51.500 always said.

00:30:53.440 One more time?

00:30:54.360 The Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away.

00:30:58.320 Now, that's in the 1611 and all revisions and the 1769.

00:31:03.280 So, it's not a modernization because in order for it to be a modernization, it would have

00:31:08.020 to be one way in the original and a different way in the later versions.

00:31:11.680 The one that you have on the coffee table, which says the Lord gave, is the same as the

00:31:21.300 1611, sir.

00:31:24.260 So, you have a big problem.

00:31:27.440 So, things are being like a...

00:31:29.200 So, what's happening here is like the Bible is being scratched at, but only at the surface

00:31:33.060 level, it seems so far.

00:31:34.700 And that would actually, you know, give veracity to what you said, where the word cannot be

00:31:39.780 changed.

00:31:40.060 So, the heart of this, of God, what he's telling you cannot be changed.

00:31:43.680 But they're flirting with these rejoinders just to kind of screw with you.

00:31:48.400 Sure.

00:31:49.020 It's interesting, too, because I know you said that it's in the book of Revelation,

00:31:53.120 Todd, but it still does say, right, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall

00:31:57.520 add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

00:32:00.160 But it suggests that you can.

00:32:02.960 Like, it can happen.

00:32:04.140 There is a curse, though.

00:32:05.060 For, you know, a curse, effectively.

00:32:07.780 But would it say that if you couldn't do those things, if it couldn't be altered?

00:32:11.920 But what kind of a retard would change the Bible, but only just like, like, giveth to

00:32:17.140 give?

00:32:17.580 Like, you're just changing just a couple of words, like small words like that?

00:32:20.120 I don't want to get...

00:32:20.620 I don't want to get ahead of John, but in my, you know, limited knowledge, I would say

00:32:26.940 that what you're doing is you're creating an instability in the Bible that has been

00:32:33.000 perceived as the word.

00:32:34.180 So, if you can get the Bible to be perceived as the word, and John's already laid out that

00:32:39.580 these two things are different fundamentally.

00:32:42.700 So, first, you have this be the representation of God, you know, definitively.

00:32:48.200 And then what you do is you just chip away at it.

00:32:51.380 Little chips in the armor until people lose...

00:32:55.560 It's just a...

00:32:56.800 It adds to this, like, psychological dismissal of it.

00:33:00.160 You know what I mean?

00:33:00.880 Where it's like, the more that you can have people lose faith in what they think they understand

00:33:06.560 about a thing, the more eventually they just move away from it, I would say, maybe, is

00:33:11.140 the point here.

00:33:12.560 Yeah.

00:33:12.740 And what you're kind of expressing, I believe, if I understand, is this underlying sentimental

00:33:18.340 idea that there's an offense for me to point this out.

00:33:23.240 In other words, this is so terrible and disruptive that God would never do this.

00:33:29.060 Well, unfortunately, it's a judgment.

00:33:34.060 It's supposed to be terrible, and it's a redemptive judgment.

00:33:38.420 So, the idea is that God has come into his church in this last days to tap us on the shoulder

00:33:46.120 and let us know that he's not happy, Bob.

00:33:50.920 I'm not happy, Bob, because you're using my book as a cudgel to keep me out of the solemn

00:33:56.740 assemblies, okay?

00:33:58.220 I want to come in and heal Sally of cancer, but it's a kinetic event, and she'll probably

00:34:02.500 fall over and shake.

00:34:03.400 Well, that doesn't jive with your process, okay?

00:34:07.560 And so, as soon as the Holy Spirit starts to move, you change the order of service, and

00:34:11.700 I'm fed up.

00:34:13.160 So, I'm going to take my bowl and go home, and I'm going to come where I'm invited.

00:34:17.700 Is this like a sort of an example of how leaning on your own understanding?

00:34:26.240 Because we have this thing, we become obsessed with it, we eventually idolize it, and we even

00:34:30.460 get to the point where you get accolades based upon your understanding of this thing.

00:34:36.280 Of course.

00:34:36.840 But we're called to lean not on our own understanding, unless, of course, that's something of misremembering

00:34:41.660 as well.

00:34:42.320 Right.

00:34:42.580 The appeals to authority, it's almost become like being biblically literate is an accomplishment.

00:34:52.820 Christianity is this accomplishment, and it's almost like a Gnostic ladder that you go up

00:34:58.540 like the 33rd degrees of masonry, and they're very seductive, and you have all of these people

00:35:05.180 strutting around, you know, highlighting the Bible, and they'll say things like, the foundation

00:35:10.800 of your faith is the scriptures and sound doctrine.

00:35:13.380 No, it's not.

00:35:14.420 The Bible doesn't teach that.

00:35:15.800 It says, no other foundation can be laid but that which is Jesus Christ.

00:35:20.000 Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for talking like that.

00:35:22.660 He said, you search the scriptures for in them you think you find eternal life.

00:35:27.460 So the book has become an idol to the church, and God's a romantic, okay?

00:35:34.040 God loves us, and he wants to have a relationship.

00:35:37.460 But, you know, most pastors haven't cast a demon out of anybody on Sunday morning in 40 years

00:35:42.660 of ministry.

00:35:44.200 So that's interesting, John, because it sounds like what you're saying is we have begun to

00:35:49.000 idolize this or have for a long time, and God has almost come along and said, oh, you've

00:35:53.920 made the mistake of idolizing this thing.

00:35:55.380 Watch me chip away at it.

00:35:57.140 Right, and he wants us to know his voice.

00:36:00.700 This is not some cultic, you know, cultic thing that I'm advocating to depart from the

00:36:10.040 scriptures.

00:36:10.540 No, no, no, no, no.

00:36:11.240 I'm just reporting on something that's obviously happening.

00:36:14.900 And let me go back to these last three questions, because I really want to nail down and show

00:36:20.420 the audience the objective proof, because so far, I'm batting 1,000.

00:36:24.340 So the next one is, there's an enigmatic passage in the Old Testament regarding the millennial

00:36:31.180 reign, and it's who will lay down with the lamb?

00:36:36.280 Right, the lion.

00:36:38.180 Right, and that's 100% of people will say that.

00:36:40.940 But of course, it's always been the wolf in this timeline.

00:36:45.660 And then you might remember this one, where Noah's on the water, and after a while, he

00:36:50.660 lets the dove out, and the dove goes out, comes back a couple times, and finally, the

00:36:54.860 dove comes back with something in his mouth.

00:36:56.860 Do you remember what he had in his mouth?

00:36:59.480 I think it's supposed to be an olive branch.

00:37:02.540 An olive branch.

00:37:03.460 Where's our other guest?

00:37:04.700 We lost him.

00:37:05.700 Oh, yeah.

00:37:06.180 He took a piss break.

00:37:07.580 This is what he does.

00:37:08.540 I need him to confirm, because it'll help strengthen.

00:37:12.660 But you said an olive what?

00:37:14.820 An olive branch.

00:37:16.100 Right.

00:37:16.440 So basically, billions of people would say an olive branch.

00:37:20.020 Yeah, that's the term, right?

00:37:21.140 You're extending an olive branch, right?

00:37:23.160 Well, that's what the scriptures teach in our timeline.

00:37:26.860 But unfortunately, no Bible has ever said olive branch.

00:37:31.440 But that phrase has worked its way into, like, whenever you're making amends with somebody,

00:37:37.960 you're extending an olive branch, and it's supposed to come from there.

00:37:40.840 But it doesn't come from there.

00:37:42.320 No, it doesn't come from there.

00:37:44.900 And we just asked two questions.

00:37:47.800 Let me run them by you two as well.

00:37:49.140 So Old Testament, talking about the millennial reign, who will lay down with the lamb?

00:37:54.660 The lion.

00:37:55.720 Okay.

00:37:56.100 And Noah let a dove out, and it went back and forth a couple times.

00:38:00.680 And then the dove finally comes back with something in its mouth.

00:38:03.520 Do you remember what it had?

00:38:04.900 Olive branch?

00:38:06.200 Ding, ding, ding.

00:38:06.660 It's just like, wrong, wrong.

00:38:08.340 You went in your car.

00:38:09.640 As it leaves my mouth, I'm like, wrong, wrong.

00:38:12.640 Okay.

00:38:13.120 So that's five.

00:38:14.260 Let me do one more for a bonus round.

00:38:17.280 You might not remember this, but Jacob wrestled all night with somebody.

00:38:22.160 Do you remember who he wrestled with?

00:38:23.960 He wrestled with God.

00:38:25.500 Yeah.

00:38:26.920 Oh, no.

00:38:27.600 Is this wrong, too?

00:38:28.740 Do you remember it was God?

00:38:30.960 That's what I remember, yeah.

00:38:34.400 A lot of people remember he wrestled with an angel.

00:38:37.800 Oh.

00:38:38.700 Which is close.

00:38:39.660 Okay.

00:38:40.180 However, he never wrestled with God or an angel.

00:38:42.960 He wrestled with a man.

00:38:45.620 What?

00:38:46.200 Who did he wrestle with?

00:38:47.300 A man.

00:38:47.960 I don't know.

00:38:48.520 That's what it says.

00:38:49.380 Now, let me make this very clear.

00:38:51.820 Those last three or four scriptures are universal, so they're in every translation.

00:38:57.000 Oh, this is bad.

00:38:59.420 This is really bad.

00:39:00.200 The Bible can't change crowd.

00:39:01.620 Here's why.

00:39:02.780 The number one argument that this isn't happening, because you have a doctrine that it can't happen,

00:39:08.260 is because we're confused by versions.

00:39:11.220 Okay, but what I just quoted you, I'd selected those specifically, because they're in every version.

00:39:20.040 They're in the King James.

00:39:21.480 They're in the NIV.

00:39:22.440 They're in the NAS.

00:39:23.340 There isn't a version that you can find where those don't exist.

00:39:26.880 So, they're not a version confusion.

00:39:29.540 It's not a modernization, and it's not a misprint.

00:39:33.140 Jordan, face back, swish.

00:39:35.400 But you're dealing with verses.

00:39:37.400 You're hoes!

00:39:38.000 You're hoes!

00:39:39.100 So, even as somebody who is, like I said, I'm a new Christian, right?

00:39:43.400 But still, these verses have entered my...

00:39:46.920 Yeah, Jacob wrestled with God.

00:39:48.160 Like, this is a thing that...

00:39:49.620 So, you're just saying some dude?

00:39:51.460 Uh-oh!

00:39:52.580 Uh-oh!

00:39:53.060 He wrestled with some dude from Poughkeepsie.

00:39:56.060 That is...

00:39:56.920 Sounds gay.

00:39:59.020 I don't know.

00:39:59.440 That is very interesting.

00:40:00.500 John, before we go any further, we have to...

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00:40:25.180 And that's happening now.

00:40:27.000 All right.

00:40:27.560 So, you know, there is a couple of conversations that I wanted to get into with you.

00:40:33.500 One is certainly about your book regarding what it's like to be sort of a conspiracy,

00:40:39.840 you know, theorist or truther.

00:40:41.660 Forgive me.

00:40:42.060 Go ahead.

00:40:42.300 I got to interrupt.

00:40:43.380 Before we transition...

00:40:45.020 No, no, no.

00:40:45.500 I wasn't planning on changing yet.

00:40:47.120 I wanted to ask you a question, and we're going to stay on this topic.

00:40:49.780 Okay.

00:40:50.780 But it does seem...

00:40:53.480 I understand what you're saying, and I wonder if the same thing is happening.

00:40:58.540 You're seeing a lot of celebrities lately, really high-ranking celebrities who have often

00:41:05.340 lived a life of debauchery previously and are now moving towards Christianity or some

00:41:11.140 version of Christianity, or they're moving towards the church or some version of the church.

00:41:15.200 And as far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing, right?

00:41:18.640 But I do wonder if some of the people that are moving towards it, let's say like some

00:41:24.240 of these more famous OnlyFans creators and things like that, it almost feels like what's

00:41:28.760 happening is people are moving towards the church, and they're doing it on a scale that

00:41:35.660 is there for the world to see, because they're doing it in a way that's very publicized.

00:41:40.000 Like Rogan.

00:41:41.200 Yeah, Rogan's a great example.

00:41:42.720 Now, I enjoy Joe Rogan very much, but I recognize that he has explored and introduced into the

00:41:47.780 culture many things that would be in alignment with Gnosticism or the New Age movement and

00:41:52.040 things of that nature.

00:41:52.660 So I'm very skeptical, but I'm not here to judge anybody's path towards God.

00:41:57.680 You know, it took me a long time to get where I am, and everybody's is different.

00:42:01.640 But I do recognize that if some of these people move towards it, and then they have a public

00:42:06.060 falling out, they could disenchant unbelievable swaths of people with God and Jesus Christ,

00:42:14.000 especially if they conflate the church with God and Jesus Christ, or they conflate the Bible

00:42:18.300 with God and Jesus Christ.

00:42:19.800 And so I'm wondering, do you think that that is, should I even be looking at it that way?

00:42:25.880 Or do you think that there's veracity to that?

00:42:27.800 No, I've been thinking the same thing.

00:42:30.040 I've been watching this crescendo of voices lifting up Jesus, and I'm like, I don't buy

00:42:37.520 it.

00:42:38.200 And I've seen that play a lot, where they co-opt people, you know, Hannah Montana, you

00:42:46.080 know, is innocent, and they create this huge following of teeny boppers, and then all of

00:42:51.740 a sudden, they flip the switch on her, and she becomes a whoremonger.

00:42:55.240 So same principle.

00:42:57.040 Yeah, absolutely.

00:42:57.840 I don't doubt it at all.

00:42:59.820 That was just on my mind lately, because the newest one is Joe Rogan.

00:43:03.240 And I go, that's very fascinating, because this is a guy that's communicating with entities

00:43:07.160 in the DMT realm.

00:43:08.400 This is a guy that's promoting a lot of things that were assets of the MKUltra program when

00:43:13.180 it comes to float tanks and, you know, high doses of psychedelics and all these different

00:43:18.100 things.

00:43:18.420 And then all of a sudden, he's pivoting.

00:43:20.640 And I'm not saying that you can't...

00:43:21.900 He's the guy.

00:43:22.540 He's the guy.

00:43:23.160 Let's not forget.

00:43:23.780 I mean, he had John Osterholm on his podcast right when COVID happened, shut down the whole

00:43:28.920 world.

00:43:29.140 The guy came with this crazy fear message, and then a couple months later, he played

00:43:33.100 the other side of it, you know, brilliantly with the whole ivermectin and him turning

00:43:37.100 all like...

00:43:38.380 It happens in a way where you're like, oh, this could just be the development of his

00:43:41.520 intellect.

00:43:41.980 This could be the development of his interest, and it could be genuine.

00:43:44.560 But if it's not genuine, it is like walking into the church with a bomb strapped to you.

00:43:50.760 And you're smiling and you're waving, and then eventually something's going to happen.

00:43:54.200 And once the cameras are on, you're going to hit that bomb, and everybody's going to fall

00:43:57.320 away because, you know, he has a great deal of influence.

00:44:01.100 Yeah.

00:44:02.480 I mean, it's really tough with AI coming out, and you really almost can't really know what's

00:44:08.620 real anymore.

00:44:09.360 You got timelines shifting.

00:44:11.220 You got AI can post anything about anybody now, and you won't even know.

00:44:15.560 I mean, it's really Holy Spirit time.

00:44:17.780 I just did a live stream about that.

00:44:20.800 There's no way to know unless you're hearing from God.

00:44:23.880 It's really scary.

00:44:24.520 That's it.

00:44:25.460 Yeah.

00:44:25.880 Oh, I just wanted to ask you that.

00:44:27.300 No, that's a good question.

00:44:29.780 All right.

00:44:29.980 So I just want to put a period on what just happened because what the listeners just witnessed

00:44:36.020 is not possible.

00:44:39.060 Unless if you want to appear rational, okay, you have to submit to the scientific discipline

00:44:46.220 of probabilities.

00:44:46.920 And what you just witnessed cannot happen by chance.

00:44:50.820 The statistics of what you just saw is 10 to the 25th power by chance.

00:44:58.900 Okay.

00:44:59.140 So my ministry is now to go out to the body of Christ with that example and ask this question.

00:45:08.120 Unless you can provide a rational explanation for that, then you need to humble yourself and

00:45:16.040 be instructed about the nuanced understanding of the doctrine of preservation.

00:45:21.920 Because God does preserve his word, but he doesn't promise to preserve it in the scriptures.

00:45:27.340 If you go to the Bible and you look at where does God promise to preserve his word, what you'll

00:45:35.560 find is very surprising.

00:45:37.300 There's five scriptures that tell you where he will preserve it.

00:45:42.460 Jeremiah 31, 33, Hebrews 8, 10, Hebrews 10, 16, Psalms 119.

00:45:48.640 Those first three tell you that he'll preserve it in the hearts of his people, not on paper.

00:45:53.980 Psalms 119, 89 tells you it'll preserve in heaven.

00:45:58.820 So that's a proof text for the Mandela effect community.

00:46:02.080 It's saying the jurisdiction of the preservation is not on paper.

00:46:07.180 And that's what Paul says in 2 Corinthians 3, 3, not with ink.

00:46:13.000 He's talking about his disciples who have the word of God written on their hearts, not with

00:46:18.300 ink.

00:46:18.700 So, again, my doctrine is more conservative and orthodox than 99% of the entire church,

00:46:27.740 because I'm going to the scriptures to ask, where is the promise of preservation?

00:46:33.420 Is it promised that the word of God, which I've already established is not necessarily the

00:46:39.360 written word, it's Jesus?

00:46:41.840 Does it promise that the scriptures will be preserved?

00:46:47.700 Well, the other preservation promises have no promise of where it will be preserved.

00:46:52.620 It just says heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

00:46:57.860 There's no promise of where.

00:46:59.300 So this is beginning to create a theological foundation for how God can be allowing this,

00:47:09.260 but not be a liar, because that's the central problem that people have.

00:47:13.160 If God is allowing this, then he's a liar.

00:47:15.220 No, he's not a liar, because he never promised to preserve your King James Bible on print.

00:47:22.100 He promised to preserve the eternal word, which is settled in heaven, and it's preserved in

00:47:27.160 the hearts of God's people.

00:47:28.520 And if you look at the missions organizations, there's 5,500 living languages at this very

00:47:34.860 moment that have no Bible in their language, okay?

00:47:39.020 So the word of God is preserved in relation to those people groups, but they have no access

00:47:46.280 to it, okay?

00:47:48.540 So God can make his scriptures inaccessible to us through a judgment, while at the same time

00:47:58.120 preserving his word.

00:48:00.060 And these are the, this whole debate is a semantics battle.

00:48:04.460 But if you think about the care and the effort that a preacher will go to when they're giving

00:48:09.440 you a sermon, right?

00:48:10.280 And they're going to bring forward the meaning of what they're trying to say, they're going

00:48:14.380 to go into the original language, they're going to go into this dictionary and Thayer's

00:48:19.020 dictionary and this lexicon, and they're going to give you the historical background of who's

00:48:23.660 saying it and who they sing it to, just to be so careful to bring forward the exact

00:48:30.160 nuance meaning of the word, okay?

00:48:32.520 But when it comes to the terms Bible, scripture, word, oh, we'll just throw them all in there

00:48:37.340 together.

00:48:38.920 The Bible can't change because God preserves his word.

00:48:42.060 Whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute, it doesn't say that.

00:48:47.020 The scriptures do not teach that God preserves the Bible or the scriptures.

00:48:52.620 Now, there's a couple of passages that people will try to relate that to.

00:48:56.940 One of them is John 10, where it says the scripture can't be broken, but I unpacked that in chapter

00:49:05.040 five of my book, and that is not a preservation promise.

00:49:09.880 That term is parenthetical too.

00:49:13.020 What it's saying is it can't be disobeyed, and that's clear.

00:49:17.180 The only other things I've seen them try to point to are Jeremiah 30 and Isaiah 30, verse 8,

00:49:27.200 where God told both of those prophets to write it down.

00:49:30.760 Well, okay, you're going to try to apply that to the entirety of the canon.

00:49:36.240 That's really horrible hermeneutics, because that was a very specific assignment that was

00:49:42.020 given to those specific prophets for a specific event, not the entirety of all the scriptures

00:49:48.060 that would ever be written.

00:49:49.580 And have those scriptures been changed, to your knowledge?

00:49:52.180 All the Bible scriptures in the entire Bible.

00:49:56.600 I can't read the Bible to any page.

00:49:59.400 Oh, no.

00:49:59.960 Oh, no, no, no, no.

00:50:01.080 My screen just went blank.

00:50:02.600 Oh, hold on.

00:50:03.940 That's all right.

00:50:04.200 We can still hear you.

00:50:05.040 Okay, cool.

00:50:05.380 You got a little choppy there for a second, and then your screen went blank.

00:50:08.760 If you want, John, what you could do is refresh your browser, and it'll kick you out, and

00:50:14.460 you'll pop back in, and we'll continue it.

00:50:16.940 There you go.

00:50:18.000 Man, you know, it kind of makes me feel a little bit better, because I feel like we're pursuing

00:50:25.380 the truth, and, you know, obviously the Bible comes up constantly in what we do here, but

00:50:31.500 it's not, we're not, like, tenacious about the text, specifically.

00:50:36.000 We're tenacious about the messaging and trying to understand God.

00:50:39.560 Yeah, that's, it's also why, like, listen, I'm going to fail this test 100 out of 100

00:50:43.120 times, because I read the Bible, but I'm, like, I'm not, like, word for word exactly

00:50:48.100 what the Bible says.

00:50:48.940 I really, I don't find that a good use of my time to, like, memorize every single number.

00:50:54.680 Like, there's people that do it, but, like, I am, I'm on a search, or I'm going to search

00:51:00.700 for a relationship with God, and trying to understand who He is, so, like, reading the

00:51:04.820 Bible, I love it, but my brain also just doesn't work like that, to remember it, like, verse

00:51:09.900 for verse, and to recall, it's just, it's not going to happen.

00:51:12.540 Especially, too, because I watch a lot of would-be intellectuals wield biblical verses

00:51:17.840 as debate tactics, and I don't, you know, I'm not a big fan of debate.

00:51:23.320 It's, it's, you know, oftentimes it gets overshadowed by the debate tactics, and you're left still

00:51:30.020 uncertain about the information by the end of it, but I recognize that people wield it,

00:51:35.460 you know, just to claim themselves intellectually superior to other people, and I go, well, that

00:51:40.680 doesn't seem-

00:51:41.000 But this is what, this is what it seems like these people are doing, the people who are

00:51:43.980 trying to understand the Bible in this way, and make it, like, concrete, cannot be changed,

00:51:48.760 they're trying to understand God.

00:51:50.200 I think we all are, in our own way, but this line of thinking to understand God by something

00:51:56.580 that was written down, that seems like has been changed, might not be the best way to

00:52:00.320 do it.

00:52:00.620 There's other ways.

00:52:01.880 How many examples have you found, John?

00:52:04.560 I've got some here in front of me that'll blow everybody's mind, because I do these podcasts,

00:52:09.920 and, I mean, if I was just cherry-picking obscure passages that have always been in the Bible,

00:52:15.100 I'd be laughed off the stage.

00:52:16.480 But when I quote Luke 19, 27, where, I don't have the actual passages on these, where it

00:52:26.020 says, Jesus says, bring those here that are not following me, and slay them before me.

00:52:33.780 Okay, let me pull it up.

00:52:36.460 Luke 19, I've got a summary description of it in this sheet.

00:52:41.100 Luke 19, 27.

00:52:43.280 Bring those here who are not following me, and slay them before me.

00:52:47.380 He says, but, do you want me to read the original?

00:52:50.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah, please.

00:52:52.040 But those mine enemies, which would not, which would not that I should reign over them, bring

00:52:57.480 hither, and slay them before me.

00:52:59.620 All right, so my first question is, is that the first time you've ever been aware that there

00:53:04.220 was anything like that in your Bible, where Jesus was talking about having people slain

00:53:09.180 in front of him, or were you already aware that that was in there?

00:53:13.180 For me?

00:53:14.360 Go ahead, Top.

00:53:15.300 I think this is part of a parable, though.

00:53:16.980 Like, it's not something that he's telling his disciples to do.

00:53:20.200 I understand that.

00:53:21.520 I'm going to get to that.

00:53:23.100 Yeah, for me.

00:53:23.620 But my question was very specific.

00:53:25.180 Is this the first time that this kind of wording has ever come to your knowledge?

00:53:28.840 Yes.

00:53:30.400 Top?

00:53:31.760 Uh, I don't, I don't, I mean, you know, maybe.

00:53:35.860 It's just, like, I, my, my perception of Jesus has changed as we've done this show from,

00:53:42.260 like, I don't know, I, I guess I used to believe, like, he's this hippie beatnik, but

00:53:46.200 like, when you start to get familiar with who he is, and his character, especially with

00:53:50.380 his return, you're like, oh, no, no, no, this guy does not, he doesn't, he doesn't play

00:53:54.260 around.

00:53:54.860 He's not, he's not necessarily here for all peace and love, you know?

00:53:58.040 No, no question.

00:53:59.080 I mean, he said, don't fear him who can kill the body, but I'll tell you, rather fear him

00:54:03.420 who can kill the body and then cast it into hell.

00:54:06.540 So, yeah, Jesus is no joke, but, but what I'm saying is that after 40 years of being

00:54:13.100 in full-time, or 20 years full-time, 20 years part-time, I only found out that there was

00:54:18.360 this parable in this Bible just a year ago, which, and I find that that's true, it's true

00:54:24.680 with Raven, okay, and it's true with most of the people listening, which is not possible.

00:54:30.020 So it doesn't matter if it's a parable.

00:54:32.160 It's, oh, there's always an underlying story to explain it if you want to explain it, okay?

00:54:37.820 But what I'm telling you is if there was anything like this in my Bible where Jesus is saying

00:54:43.020 in a parable or any, I don't care, because how far are you going to take that argument?

00:54:47.180 Let's say a parable shows up where Jesus is flying into Nazareth in a UFO, a pink UFO wearing

00:54:54.380 a tutu drinking a Starbucks.

00:54:56.200 Are you going to be able to convince yourself that that's the inspired word of God because

00:55:01.220 it's a parable?

00:55:02.060 No.

00:55:03.560 All right, so let me give you each, each one of you a scripture and have you read them.

00:55:07.780 First one's Isaiah 8.3, and then the second one's Mark 8.23.

00:55:13.020 Now, these are, while you're looking those up, Isaiah 8.3 and then Mark 8.23, these are

00:55:21.660 universal changes, so they're in every version, King James, NAS, you name it, and they're wildly

00:55:29.260 unfamiliar, so most people will have to admit, I never knew that was in my Bible, but they're

00:55:34.900 also doctrinal paradoxes, which means they rub us the wrong way, to say the least, okay?

00:55:41.300 I have Mark 8.23 pulled up here, Top, you want me to read it?

00:55:44.520 No, I have Isaiah.

00:55:45.200 Yeah, go ahead.

00:55:46.920 Okay, so he says, he took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village.

00:55:53.620 When he had spit on the man's eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, do you see anything?

00:56:01.800 So, Jesus spit on his eyes?

00:56:04.900 A blind man's eyes?

00:56:05.820 Is that what I'm reading?

00:56:06.420 So, do you remember when Jesus spit and made mud and put it on his eyes?

00:56:11.160 Yeah, I remember that.

00:56:12.840 Okay.

00:56:13.460 Do you ever remember him spitting in a guy's face to heal him?

00:56:16.640 No.

00:56:19.780 So, where the hell did that come from?

00:56:21.640 All right, so I don't care what the commentary is, whether the other one's still in the Bible,

00:56:29.380 it doesn't matter.

00:56:31.320 The point is, the observation is, is that 95% of people that know their Bibles will admit,

00:56:38.440 like the host just did, that this is the first time it's ever coming to their attention

00:56:44.420 that Jesus is spitting in people's faces to heal them.

00:56:47.600 All right, so let's go to Isaiah 8, verse 3.

00:56:50.440 All right, this is Isaiah talking, and just read the first part of it again.

00:57:07.660 Yeah, so it sounds like he inseminated, he impregnated the prophetess.

00:57:15.680 Okay, so I'm just going to go out on a limb here, but I'm here to tell you that if Isaiah

00:57:24.600 had knocked up a prophetess, I would have known about it, and I only found out about this six

00:57:29.760 months ago, and I'm over here, I'm over here on the fringe with you guys, and I'm like,

00:57:34.940 you gotta be kidding me, all right?

00:57:37.000 Isaiah, and it's not his wife, there's no text anywhere that tells you that the prophetess

00:57:43.220 is his wife, you can assume that if you want, but I'm a Bible believer, okay?

00:57:47.760 Unless this text gives me reason to believe that, I don't just believe it because it fits

00:57:53.660 my narrative.

00:57:54.360 So here you have Isaiah knocking up a prophetess, and I can, I've done this already, I've gone

00:58:00.520 to pastors, and I've said, hey, pastor, hey, in your memory, did Isaiah ever knock up

00:58:05.000 a prophetess?

00:58:05.740 Well, no, John, I don't believe I recall that.

00:58:08.580 That's not possible.

00:58:09.880 And then also the implication of God telling him to name him something after he's done

00:58:17.020 this, it's bizarre.

00:58:18.800 What is it?

00:58:19.020 And that name, it's got like 15 letters, there's now about 20 different people's names that

00:58:25.000 have 15, 20 letters in them.

00:58:28.300 They're really bizarre, and there's places, too, with 15 or 20 letters, bunches of them.

00:58:34.420 All right, here's another one.

00:58:35.500 Look up Leviticus 4, 32, and again, this is in every version, so this is not cherry-picking

00:58:43.060 some rogue versions.

00:58:44.420 This is in your Bible, sir.

00:58:47.320 It says, uh...

00:58:48.820 Go ahead.

00:58:49.720 Leviticus 4, 32, and if he bring a lamb for a sin offering, he shall bring it a female without

00:58:56.640 blemish.

00:59:00.380 Okay, so sacrificing female sheep.

00:59:03.600 This one really tweaks people, because they're like, no, not on my watch.

00:59:08.160 There has never been any kind of thing where God told us to his people to sacrifice female

00:59:15.640 sheep.

00:59:16.280 First of all, the sacrifice of sheep is a type and shadow of Christ, and this is a theme

00:59:21.820 that we're seeing being entered into the Bible, these unsavory, dark themes of LBGT, Islam,

00:59:30.440 homosexuality.

00:59:32.220 There's all, you know, there's all these themes that are dark that are being introduced, and

00:59:37.580 this is one of them.

00:59:38.680 And it's also a doctrinal paradox, because there's another scripture that says to sacrifice

00:59:43.920 male sheep.

00:59:45.240 And you could try to make the case, well, depending on the severity of the sin, you give them a male,

00:59:50.460 but if it's a lesser sin, you give them a female, and if you can't afford it, you give

00:59:54.360 them a dove.

00:59:55.080 Well, guess what, dove?

00:59:56.880 Guess what?

00:59:57.860 Leviticus 12, 8 in the KJV says you could sacrifice turtles.

01:00:04.360 Turtles?

01:00:05.560 Go ahead, look it up, look it up.

01:00:07.280 Leviticus 12, 8 in the KJV.

01:00:09.540 That's a KJV-only change.

01:00:11.640 Is this something, because when we think about the Mandela effect, like outside of the Bible,

01:00:15.580 it feels like a new phenomenon.

01:00:17.580 You got to bring two turtles.

01:00:19.040 Two turtles.

01:00:19.400 Two turtles.

01:00:20.460 Two turtles equals one lamb.

01:00:22.660 I love the, I love like the animal math.

01:00:26.500 Animal math, yeah, yeah.

01:00:27.880 You'll notice, though, in the exact same paragraph, the exact same word in the original language

01:00:32.840 is translated turtle doves, and then later in the same paragraph, it's translated turtles.

01:00:40.980 And so this introduces a very strong empirical evidence.

01:00:45.080 There's no explanation for why the translators would translate it differently in the same paragraph.

01:00:50.680 So you have to then jump off on this cockamamie idea that the two words are interchangeable,

01:00:57.360 which they're not.

01:00:59.200 The entomology is not the same.

01:01:01.500 One is a reptile and one is a bird.

01:01:03.740 Yeah, it's saying two turtles or two young pigeons, not turtle doves.

01:01:09.460 So it's like, yeah, a reptile with a shell or a pigeon is fine.

01:01:14.000 It's bizarre, man.

01:01:14.960 Which is an outrage.

01:01:15.840 All right, 2 Corinthians 11, 8.

01:01:18.060 These are all universal.

01:01:22.840 We're not confused by versions, and this is not a modernization because it's also in the

01:01:27.620 King James and all the original ones.

01:01:29.520 It says, I robbed other churches taking wages of them to do you service.

01:01:35.500 All right, so of course, you can explain this away if you would like.

01:01:40.340 It's Paul, right?

01:01:41.640 Yeah, Paul is telling the church, your service to me was so over the top that, you know,

01:01:47.060 you're giving to me is like I'm robbing you.

01:01:49.240 That's basically what the commentary is telling you, okay?

01:01:52.660 However, I don't care about the underlying meaning, okay?

01:01:59.380 Because how far are you going to take that argument?

01:02:02.220 This was never in our Bibles.

01:02:04.260 Don't you know your Bible?

01:02:07.260 John, let me ask you something.

01:02:08.760 So I was saying before that the Mandela effect, as we associate it with, like,

01:02:12.460 pop culture and things like that is a relatively new phenomenon.

01:02:15.500 When do you think this started happening with the Bible?

01:02:20.800 There are people that say it went back farther, but I do see a very sharp increase from Google

01:02:27.100 Analytics around July of 2017, which by happenstance is the exact month and year that CERN turned

01:02:35.860 up its Haldron Collider to 100% for the first time.

01:02:38.740 Interesting, interesting.

01:02:41.300 Okay, so this is bringing me to another question when it comes to CERN, when it comes to the Mandela

01:02:47.820 effect, the reigning theory is that this is a timeline fracturing.

01:02:53.700 And what you're describing here is much more in the vein of a deception to, I guess, erode people's

01:03:00.300 faith in what they think is actually the Word of God when in reality it's Scripture.

01:03:03.460 Does this concept of the multiverse or anything like that, timeline fracturing and things of

01:03:10.020 that nature, fit into what you're seeing here?

01:03:13.940 I am sorry.

01:03:15.140 I didn't really understand the question.

01:03:17.020 Could you restate it?

01:03:17.880 So it seems like the answer that we're getting here is that if people are conflating Scripture

01:03:26.720 with the Word of God, the actual Word of God, then this could potentially erode people's

01:03:32.940 faith.

01:03:33.400 It could be a strong deception that's sent.

01:03:36.560 But what I'm wondering is, since the overwhelming theory regarding the Mandela effect as it applies

01:03:42.620 to pop culture, is one of timeline variation, the multiverse, and things like that, is there,

01:03:49.960 because you just said CERN, and everybody says CERN is fracturing the timeline.

01:03:54.700 They're creating alternate realities.

01:03:56.780 Does that play into what's happening with the biblical Mandela effect?

01:04:01.440 Yeah, because Revelation 9, verse 1 says,

01:04:05.540 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth, and to him

01:04:11.080 was given the key of the bottomless pit.

01:04:14.280 Now, what's interesting is, according to different researchers, CERN was built on an ancient temple

01:04:22.260 dedicated to Apollo.

01:04:26.580 CERN was built on top of that.

01:04:28.540 And so what you then have in Revelation, out of this pit where the key is given, we believe

01:04:35.540 the key is CERN, or the technology to create CERN is the key that was given to the elite

01:04:43.100 bloodlines to create this thing, because that's the prophecy.

01:04:47.940 And then out of the pit, in the book of Revelation, comes Apollyon, the temples to Apollo.

01:04:56.100 So out of the pit, in the book of Revelation, Apollyon comes out.

01:04:59.180 So I very much agree that CERN and the D-waves are involved in this, and my certainty on that

01:05:06.860 is based on the research that Cliff High did.

01:05:09.200 I'm not familiar.

01:05:10.060 Everybody's probably heard of Cliff High, because he's brilliant.

01:05:13.140 He's a Christ-hater, but he's brilliant.

01:05:17.680 We've done so many deep dives on Cliff High's work, specifically.

01:05:21.820 Actually, our previous Bohemian Grove took place on October 26th.

01:05:27.740 That's the day that Trump went on with Rogan, and that was one of his pivotal markers.

01:05:33.700 So you've looked into his web bot, which is pretty amazing.

01:05:38.620 He basically designed this.

01:05:40.220 He's a linguist and a programmer, and he designed this spider to go out onto the web to try to

01:05:45.380 get an edge on trading stocks.

01:05:46.980 That was his motivation, but it turned out that his algorithms were smarter than he thought,

01:05:52.700 and it started to return predictions for the future.

01:05:56.780 And he found that people were, he called them psychic leaks.

01:06:01.560 Yeah.

01:06:02.080 And basically, I remember following him way back when, eight years ago, and he predicted

01:06:09.460 that a lake in Peru would empty out overnight.

01:06:12.420 I remember that was his first one.

01:06:13.700 And so I just marked it down in my calendar, you know, there was no real timeline, but

01:06:17.820 I'm telling you, as God is my witness, like two months later, a lake in Peru emptied out

01:06:23.160 overnight.

01:06:24.320 And I was like, what?

01:06:26.080 So then he predicted this other thing with a cruise liner with specific details that it

01:06:31.100 would crash on the rocks and exactly happened.

01:06:34.800 And so I started buying a subscription.

01:06:36.620 Well, long story short, he pointed this web bot thing at the D-Wave computer.

01:06:44.160 There's a number of them around the U.S.

01:06:47.000 And his web bot returned the data sets, he calls them, which indicated that there was a

01:06:54.820 much higher concentration of Mandela effect reports in and around the D-Wave computer.

01:07:02.080 I had no idea that these things could be localized.

01:07:05.200 I thought it was just a blanket phenomenon that the world was experiencing.

01:07:08.260 I did not know that there were higher potencies given specific location.

01:07:13.460 I did not know that.

01:07:14.240 Well, nobody did.

01:07:15.300 I don't think anybody did until Cliff High turned his web bot and pointed it geographically.

01:07:21.560 And I found that evidence to be compelling.

01:07:23.680 And here's why.

01:07:24.480 He then goes on to explain a little bit more how the cubits work.

01:07:30.120 And I've also read the white papers.

01:07:31.720 So essentially, if you're familiar with the two-slit experiment where human consciousness

01:07:37.180 affects the realm, basically, it changed.

01:07:40.140 The observer effect.

01:07:41.320 The observer effect.

01:07:42.320 Okay.

01:07:42.920 So what they were finding was that people walked by the D-Wave, it would turn it off.

01:07:48.460 It would cause it to trip.

01:07:50.140 So they had to figure out how to isolate, listen to this, they had to isolate the cubit

01:07:56.420 from human consciousness.

01:07:58.680 So they dip, they drop this cubit down into a cylinder and then bring it down to zero Kelvin.

01:08:05.400 I don't know why that shields it from human consciousness, but apparently it does, right?

01:08:09.960 A temperature, you're saying?

01:08:11.020 Zero Kelvin.

01:08:11.960 Yeah.

01:08:12.440 Super freezing cold in the, in the cubits in there.

01:08:15.820 And then that worked.

01:08:17.820 Okay.

01:08:18.240 But then they even had to go to these lengths where, you remember that game mousetrap where

01:08:24.520 you do something and then the ball would roll down the thing and it was just all this,

01:08:27.920 well, they have to create this really contrived system to give the D-Wave instructions or else

01:08:35.480 human consciousness would mess it up.

01:08:37.680 Oh, that's incredible.

01:08:38.740 It's really bizarre.

01:08:39.480 All right.

01:08:40.180 So then, so, so then if you go back to the original finding, there's all of this concentration

01:08:47.420 of Mandela effects reports in and around this, what is it?

01:08:51.540 It's a black hole of human consciousness.

01:08:56.280 Out from the black hole of human consciousness where no human consciousness is, you have the

01:09:03.280 Mandela effects emanating out from there.

01:09:06.040 And not only that, but you have this portal because the D-Wave, according to Gordy Rose,

01:09:13.320 is flipping back and forth between the quantum realm.

01:09:16.920 So you have a dimensional portal and a human consciousness black hole.

01:09:22.600 And that's where all the things, I mean, man, that's powerful.

01:09:26.560 It's like whether or not Nelson Mandela died in prison is entirely dependent on whether or

01:09:33.300 not we're observing that moment in history.

01:09:35.540 You know what I mean?

01:09:36.140 Like that's what that says to me.

01:09:37.940 That's very strange.

01:09:39.660 You know, Cliff High, he is...

01:09:41.520 One sec, Dave.

01:09:42.360 I just did a, just a complete aside.

01:09:44.580 I did a quick search on where the D-Wave computers are located.

01:09:49.380 One in, the one in Huntsville, Alabama specifically is a hundred, within a hundred miles of the 33rd

01:09:55.520 parallel.

01:09:56.440 That's just another thing.

01:09:58.240 Cause I was like, I bet you, I bet you, I bet you this is on this thing.

01:10:01.840 Cliff High, uh, incredibly intelligent and, and he is like right there, but there's just

01:10:08.140 like, he calls the elites, the Elohim worship cult, which is not inaccurate given that,

01:10:15.100 uh, the Elohim seems to be a terminology used to describe the highest ranking of spiritual

01:10:20.180 beings, God being the head Elohim, but still the angels would be considered Elohim.

01:10:25.880 And then it strikes me as odd that he doesn't recognize that there was a falling away and

01:10:32.520 that some of these Elohim are fallen and that the people who are controlling things do in

01:10:37.040 fact worship them.

01:10:38.560 But then he departs from that and goes, everything else is aliens and such.

01:10:43.420 And I go, the, the overlap between these fallen and what we perceive as aliens is absolutely

01:10:48.820 massive, but he's not bridging that gap.

01:10:51.000 And he's also not leaving room for the nuance in Elohim, uh, those who are still in the glory

01:10:57.000 of God and those who have fallen away, there's no differentiation there.

01:11:00.860 And so it, to me, it's like a man of, of pretty astounding intellect has just stopped, uh,

01:11:07.900 being interested.

01:11:09.000 Cause if he was, if he didn't have some sort of confirmation bias going on where maybe he's

01:11:14.600 pitted against the church or he's, he's burned by the church and, and goes, oh yeah,

01:11:18.160 yeah, they're worshiping the Elohim and, and, you know, that's the end of it.

01:11:21.880 Uh, if you didn't have that blockage, you might go a step further and be like, oh,

01:11:25.180 they're worshiping the fallen ones, the ones who came down on Mount Hermon and, and took

01:11:29.140 human wives and, you know, bore the Nephilim.

01:11:31.120 And that, that just seems to be absent from his line of thinking.

01:11:34.320 It's very strange.

01:11:35.160 I always, uh, a little bit bummed out when I see somebody who I do regard as highly intelligent.

01:11:40.680 And I go, why, why are you not going that one step further?

01:11:43.980 Well, the same with Eric Dubé, he's a great researcher on flat earth, but he's a Christ

01:11:48.540 hater.

01:11:49.360 And same with Cliff, you know, these guys are brilliant, but they're so dumb.

01:11:54.960 They can't go to, to the final conclusion.

01:11:57.440 But, and, but that's simply because men would, men would close with Christ if he was a whoremonger

01:12:03.200 and a, and a drunkard and a foul mouth liar, they would immediately accept his offer of,

01:12:09.620 of salvation.

01:12:10.440 But they know that it's a, it's a package deal.

01:12:13.880 It's a two-way deal.

01:12:15.660 I'll, Jesus says, I'll give you everything, but you got to give me everything.

01:12:19.480 You got to sell everything you have and buy the field, which has the pearl.

01:12:25.700 That's the deal.

01:12:26.920 You got to give up your bosom sins.

01:12:30.180 Okay.

01:12:30.620 Cause I'm holy.

01:12:31.420 I can't deny myself.

01:12:32.620 I'm sorry.

01:12:33.640 If I'm sorry about your problems.

01:12:35.880 Okay.

01:12:36.280 You're fallen, but I've come to restore you to the father, but here's the offer.

01:12:41.240 Well, I thought salvation was free.

01:12:43.000 Yes.

01:12:43.340 Salvation is free.

01:12:44.600 Ephesians two, eight.

01:12:46.340 So it is by grace through faith that you are saved.

01:12:51.500 It is not of works lest any man should boast.

01:12:54.600 The thief on the cross, boom, one sentence.

01:12:58.400 And the guy got saved.

01:12:59.220 So it's free to get in.

01:13:01.300 But if you think for a minute that God came to save you in your sin, then you're deluded.

01:13:07.640 He came to save you from your sin.

01:13:09.500 So you have to repent.

01:13:11.960 Well, in the meantime, Cliff High's research does make for fascinating, you know, deep dives

01:13:18.420 and things of that nature.

01:13:19.440 I think there's really something to be considered there.

01:13:21.700 And people think that it's just a probability machine.

01:13:25.320 In fact, sometimes for palatability, I've described it as, you know, it's a probability

01:13:30.540 machine, but and then some.

01:13:32.400 But the and then some is that he has discovered that certain words within the human language

01:13:37.940 are charged with some sort of psychic energy.

01:13:40.740 And that over a period of time, when that word emerges over and over again, I suppose

01:13:46.560 there's a, you know, this is my really limited understanding of whatever Cliff High is doing,

01:13:50.420 but they can surmise quite a bit of data from the psychically charged energy of particular

01:13:56.860 words.

01:13:57.460 Now imagine, because we're wondering, it's like, why would you change the word from giveth

01:14:03.700 to, you know, from give to giveth?

01:14:05.320 It just doesn't make any sense.

01:14:06.220 But it's like, perhaps that specific pronunciation or whatever it is, like the meaning behind this

01:14:13.060 word being shortened, it can change because, yeah, it's it's working on his web bot is

01:14:18.760 working on emotional language.

01:14:20.940 And then it takes that and it garners the results of all the emotional language predicted

01:14:25.540 throughout all of these articles.

01:14:27.280 And it'll give you a pretty damn close presumption on what's about to happen.

01:14:31.780 So it's like changing a word here and there in the Bible, it doesn't change the word of

01:14:36.020 the Bible, but it doesn't change this.

01:14:38.700 I don't know, like the the prediction, this metaphysical, metaphysical prediction of the

01:14:42.920 future that we can get from it.

01:14:44.500 Like, is it that significant?

01:14:45.820 Because there's there's something that we don't understand about speech, about prophesying

01:14:50.560 about about, you know, it's like we've been on this rabbit hole lately, John, of people

01:14:56.080 interacting with these entities and these entities having telepathic abilities.

01:15:00.360 And the same thing could be said about the telepathy tapes and the children that are experiencing

01:15:04.340 telepathy.

01:15:05.140 But we look at telepathy as profound and it's indicative of you being some higher being

01:15:11.880 than a human being.

01:15:13.160 But I don't think that's the case.

01:15:14.620 I think that it's actually a restriction.

01:15:17.200 I don't think that they can prophesy.

01:15:18.840 I don't think that they can utilize the word.

01:15:20.600 So many times people will interact with these demons or aliens and they are struck with amazement

01:15:27.400 because they are communicating with them telepathically.

01:15:29.720 And I think that that actually is a handicap of sorts.

01:15:34.720 No, I agree.

01:15:36.260 I think you're right.

01:15:38.760 We're at the hour and 16 minute mark.

01:15:41.040 And I do want to talk about something.

01:15:42.540 I don't know if you are comfortable moving on, but it was the notion of one of the books

01:15:48.100 that you had written.

01:15:49.320 And it seems to serve as a guide for those who are, I guess, off the beaten path, those

01:15:59.420 who are keyed into conspiracies and have a love for the truth and how that passion will

01:16:07.140 affect your relationships with your loved ones, your friends, your family, and things

01:16:12.740 like that.

01:16:13.500 Can we talk about that book a little bit?

01:16:15.020 Sure.

01:16:15.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:16:16.140 That's pretty universal for all of us.

01:16:18.100 Mm-hmm, yeah.

01:16:20.900 It's something that I think everybody struggles with because when you find the truth, even

01:16:28.220 before when I was talking about Cliff High's predictions, I said that I would sometimes get

01:16:32.700 a little reductive with it.

01:16:33.780 I would say, yeah, it's a probability machine.

01:16:35.980 And that's because when you have something that lies outside of the normal paradigm, it's

01:16:42.820 interesting that information should drive a wedge between you and the people around you.

01:16:48.660 I've experienced that myself.

01:16:51.200 I've been into this for a really long time and since I was a teenager.

01:16:56.020 And when you're a teenager, everybody just wants to party and drink and kind of bullshit.

01:17:00.000 And I was obsessed with something totally different and it ostracized me to a large degree.

01:17:05.800 It concerned my family.

01:17:07.300 It concerned my mother.

01:17:08.340 It pushed my friends away.

01:17:09.940 And I'm certainly not alone in that.

01:17:12.240 But seeing as how your book serves as a sort of a field guide, what then are you advising

01:17:18.380 people to do if they should be onto this information?

01:17:21.820 Okay.

01:17:22.180 Well, you can download my book.

01:17:23.660 It's called The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide.

01:17:25.880 It is available on Amazon if you want a hard copy.

01:17:27.940 But the free version is on WakeUpOrElse or AlteredBible.com.

01:17:33.960 And it's a great book.

01:17:36.920 And so just to summarize, there really seems to be two categories of people walking around.

01:17:45.640 You've got what we lovingly call normies.

01:17:48.380 And they actually named themselves that.

01:17:50.880 Like one of my children told me, Dad, I wish you were normal.

01:17:53.800 So what does normal mean?

01:17:58.200 Well, normal means that you comply.

01:18:01.460 And that's the opposite of the truther.

01:18:04.820 So what happens is most of us in one way or another were sailing along as a normie until

01:18:11.880 one day God sprinkled pixie dust on your head and tapped you on the shoulder and said,

01:18:18.360 hey, did you notice that the Federal Reserve isn't federal?

01:18:21.340 Or you noticed that there was some anomalies around the moon landing?

01:18:26.220 Or somebody pointed out and you were like, what?

01:18:29.260 You had the correct response to become inquisitive.

01:18:33.280 And so it is at that moment that you're essentially born again.

01:18:37.740 Okay.

01:18:37.900 This is when you become converted from normie to truther.

01:18:42.180 The quintessential characteristic is that you begin to question officialdom.

01:18:46.340 Somehow, the central planners are experts at getting us to shut off our brain and accept

01:18:54.420 the program, just like in The Matrix.

01:18:57.020 The Matrix told a story about how they kept rejecting the program so they had to redo the

01:19:01.780 program to get them to accept the program.

01:19:06.160 Well, you, truther, have said, I got off the bus.

01:19:10.020 That's what I kept telling my wife before she divorced me after 24 years of marriage.

01:19:13.980 And let me make it very, very clear to people that want to try to pick on me.

01:19:19.100 I begged her on my knees not to break up our family.

01:19:22.220 And she told me, I don't want to be married to you.

01:19:24.620 We're in two different worlds.

01:19:25.860 I can handle everything, but I can't handle your beliefs.

01:19:29.220 So don't lecture me that I could have done more because after eight years, I have hundreds

01:19:34.920 of people that I personally interacted with who have been divorced by their spouses.

01:19:39.240 COVID did that, by the way, John, a massive deviation in what you thought was happening

01:19:45.020 during 2020.

01:19:45.940 And I watched countless people struggle in their relationships like they had never had

01:19:50.280 before.

01:19:50.880 It was the biggest one.

01:19:52.200 It's like you have your kids, you know, you have a relationship for so long and then all

01:19:57.960 of a sudden your spouse wants to like, it's a black and white answer.

01:20:00.640 Thank God that my spouse was on the right side of it.

01:20:04.000 Because yeah, like, you know, if you have your wife, all of a sudden your kids, however

01:20:08.820 old, and they're like, we got to get them vaccinated five times.

01:20:12.480 And I'm like, absolutely not.

01:20:14.560 And she's like, we have to.

01:20:16.480 What do you do?

01:20:17.640 Yeah.

01:20:18.740 There's no precursor for that.

01:20:19.840 It's unfair.

01:20:20.940 It's really unfair.

01:20:22.720 That one definitely was kinetic because it was no longer just two differing worldviews.

01:20:28.620 This was pumping the monkey juice into my kid.

01:20:31.660 And I'm, I'm saying, I'm no.

01:20:34.580 And then not only that, but if the spouse took the monkey juice and then the other spouse

01:20:39.620 is like, I'm not getting in bed with you anymore.

01:20:41.580 You're, you're a spreader, man.

01:20:43.780 Get away from me.

01:20:44.560 It was awful for people.

01:20:46.240 People didn't put a lot of, so, so, you know, when you're, when you're waking up, you tend

01:20:51.200 to be a bit of an alarmist.

01:20:52.540 I certainly was when I was a kid and I was trying to show people this thing was coming

01:20:55.920 and that thing was coming.

01:20:57.000 And a lot of those things didn't come to pass.

01:20:59.380 I think I was just a little bit ahead of the curve with much of the information that

01:21:02.240 I was seeing.

01:21:03.300 But there certainly is this ease of dismissal in the way of like, these things aren't directly

01:21:08.800 affecting my life.

01:21:10.380 And so why even waste time?

01:21:12.400 I have bills to pay.

01:21:13.160 I have rent to take care of and these things.

01:21:15.660 And then all of a sudden, one day in 2020, they are directly affecting your life.

01:21:21.140 And if you spend no time thinking about this at all, you are in a boiling pot.

01:21:26.320 I love that answer where people, they go, what do you do for a living?

01:21:30.540 And I'm like, I make racist t-shirts and I do a podcast about God.

01:21:34.780 And they were like, oh, I don't really like conspiracies.

01:21:37.220 I don't really, you know, it's something I don't like to think about.

01:21:38.860 I was like, well, guess what, man?

01:21:39.880 It's thinking about you every day.

01:21:42.660 It's looking directly at you.

01:21:44.200 And yes, from 2020, it's not just looking at you, but it's pointing at you now.

01:21:48.020 It's like you, specifically you.

01:21:50.200 And you're still like, you're not paying attention to it.

01:21:52.920 It's amazing.

01:21:53.500 They're like, how are you not looking at this thing?

01:21:54.660 Why are you not trying to battle back or at least understand what it is?

01:21:58.160 But, you know, people do their own thing.

01:21:59.960 So what you're expressing right now is really the core shift of the truth is belief system

01:22:06.340 that goes from living on a cruise liner to living on a battleship.

01:22:09.980 You go to a war footing because you found out that the world is run by Lucifer and blood

01:22:14.780 drinking pedophores that are psycho mobsters and they want you dead.

01:22:19.000 And your spouse is like, what, what?

01:22:22.920 And you become so tweaked about the danger.

01:22:25.780 And your spouse is really all about the happy life.

01:22:28.460 Now they're raising their kids.

01:22:29.800 They might be going to church, but it's like you shift overnight to this warrior class Christian

01:22:35.440 that's like on the mission.

01:22:36.740 And you're like, and also, you know, we just, we refuse to be dragged around by the nose

01:22:44.240 anymore, which is an insult.

01:22:45.980 You know, I've got blood in my veins.

01:22:47.460 Don't slow kill me and expect me to clap for you.

01:22:51.160 I'm not clapping for NASA like a trained seal.

01:22:53.920 All right, period.

01:22:56.420 And my wife will still ask me to this day.

01:22:58.880 She'll go, she won't ask me, but she'll comment on how impossible it is to watch anything with

01:23:04.840 me.

01:23:05.400 And she understands why.

01:23:07.080 But every time she brings that up, I go on a tangent.

01:23:09.120 And it's because the, the, the powers that be, they think that you are an idiot.

01:23:15.140 And especially nowadays, everything is so poorly veiled that it really speaks to their opinion

01:23:20.880 of you.

01:23:21.640 It's that we can put this right in front of your face and you are such an imbecile that

01:23:25.740 you won't do a damn thing about it.

01:23:27.980 You'll keep watching.

01:23:29.000 You'll keep paying us and you will keep being entertained.

01:23:31.880 And I get you to cut your kids' dicks off.

01:23:34.520 I bet you we can.

01:23:35.800 Do you think we can?

01:23:36.360 We'll get you into, we'll get you into a polyamorous relationship.

01:23:40.300 We'll get you into voting for open borders.

01:23:42.820 We will get you to pave the way for all the horrors that we want to see implemented.

01:23:48.120 You will be the mechanism by which these things will enter the world.

01:23:51.040 And I cannot stand that shit.

01:23:53.420 The one thing you missed, John, when you said you're, you're telling your ex-wife that these

01:23:57.440 people, these pedophiles, blood drinking, satanic elite want you dead.

01:24:02.540 Yes.

01:24:03.100 But there's a very important rejoinder at the end and they think it's funny.

01:24:07.560 Yeah.

01:24:08.480 And it's, they do think it's funny.

01:24:10.080 And you know what?

01:24:10.840 I think it's funny too.

01:24:12.220 Cause I'm out of my goddamn mind.

01:24:14.180 It's very funny.

01:24:15.160 If you believe it, it's, it's insane.

01:24:16.980 Like if I was on the other side and I had no soul, I would think this is the most funny

01:24:21.640 thing in the world.

01:24:22.480 So I, I, maybe I'm deluded, but I do think it's hilarious that they're doing this and

01:24:26.080 people buy it.

01:24:26.780 They buy it constantly.

01:24:28.880 There's some crazy posts in the chat.

01:24:31.000 I finally figured out how to see the chat.

01:24:33.020 Oh, ignore them.

01:24:34.600 Listen to me, John, they are called our fan base.

01:24:37.680 Everybody has a tinfoil hat.

01:24:38.800 What do they call their, uh, their fan base, the swarm.

01:24:41.060 Our fan base is embrace the title of dangerous retard.

01:24:45.040 They are all simultaneously wonderful, but also terrible people.

01:24:49.120 And they say, uh, horrifying things.

01:24:51.700 They say, hello, he right back at you, dog.

01:24:54.380 Yeah.

01:24:55.160 You know what the worst is?

01:24:56.600 Uh, they will change their name depending on how they're feeling that day.

01:25:00.420 So, uh, you know, oftentimes we have, uh, make it something like this.

01:25:04.080 Yeah.

01:25:04.600 All kinds of stuff.

01:25:06.160 They just, every, you don't even know who they are anymore.

01:25:07.900 Cause they change their name every time they show up there, they're terrible people, but

01:25:11.060 we love them.

01:25:12.040 Uh, yeah, it's, it is, it's disheartening.

01:25:14.960 It's disheartening.

01:25:15.860 And I, I say, um, I'm so glad that I went through it when I was a much younger man, because

01:25:21.940 if you had to go through it, you know, let's say like 2020 is a great example and you are

01:25:27.960 an adult and you have a relationship and you have children and you have a career.

01:25:31.680 I was blessed to have gone through those things when I was living in chaos.

01:25:35.500 I was, I was homeless.

01:25:36.580 I had nothing to lose actually.

01:25:38.540 So it was kind of the perfect time to go through it.

01:25:41.240 I did lose my relationships.

01:25:42.900 And to this day, they really don't exist anymore, except for my wife who I don't know you to

01:25:48.460 God bless her.

01:25:49.500 I met her when I was 16 and I terrified her.

01:25:53.340 I terrified her with all of the doom and gloom that I was seeing and explained.

01:25:56.980 And somehow all these years later, she comes right back around and we're married now with

01:26:00.560 a 10 year old.

01:26:01.360 Nice.

01:26:01.640 So I really, you know, God gave me the perfect spouse for, I guess, what I was going to end

01:26:06.980 up doing.

01:26:07.960 Uh, but I don't envy people, John, who, who just went through this, who just popped their

01:26:12.560 eyes open because it doesn't make sense to lock down the whole world.

01:26:16.000 And it doesn't make sense for everybody to just stop talking about Epstein.

01:26:19.920 And it doesn't make sense for all these pedophile rings to get busted and nobody's talking about

01:26:23.960 it.

01:26:24.160 And then, you know, it spurs on a little curiosity and you do a little bit of digging

01:26:28.560 to the point now in history where you just do a little bit.

01:26:31.880 You just scratched the surface and all of a sudden it's, you know, Lucifer, there's so

01:26:36.720 much underneath it.

01:26:37.780 If you just look a little bit and that is the truth has a way of demanding your attention

01:26:43.740 and you can choose not to, in which case God will probably send you a strong delusion.

01:26:48.220 Um, but if you adhere to that, it's a never ending rabbit hole and it will send you into

01:26:52.100 a spiral, man.

01:26:53.500 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:26:55.120 You, you know, it's a messy thing when you find out everything's a lie.

01:26:58.120 And a lot of truthers do, you know, to say too much and we freak out, but you know, the

01:27:04.320 spouse or the normie has a, an algorithm that is, I don't know.

01:27:09.660 And I don't want to know, which creates a real relational impasse.

01:27:13.220 Cause you're so tweaked about all these things you're finding out and it's exciting.

01:27:18.060 And, and I remember my wife saying, you're more excited about that than me.

01:27:21.640 And I'm thinking, you know, that's normal.

01:27:24.780 If you're in a burning building, you're supposed to be obsessed, right?

01:27:29.620 That's the part they don't get.

01:27:31.360 See, like, I'll give you an example.

01:27:33.220 Chem trails was a big one for me.

01:27:34.840 Cause for me, the, the honeydew list on Saturday was like a religion.

01:27:39.540 Okay.

01:27:40.020 It was, it was so imperative that I was invested in it and, and wanting to do it, but I'm already

01:27:46.600 in the truther mode and I'm out on the front lawn and the sky is crisscrossed with chem trails.

01:27:52.020 That's raining down aluminum particulate barium salts and God knows what else.

01:27:57.140 And I'm like a husband and a father.

01:27:59.780 My kids are running around under this rain of death.

01:28:02.940 They're spraying us like bugs and I'm pissed.

01:28:05.140 Yeah.

01:28:05.740 And I'm trying to convince my wife that it's, and of course I'm a crazy man and I'm disparaged.

01:28:12.580 I become a pariah in my own home because I believe the truth.

01:28:15.760 Well, guess what?

01:28:16.880 Guess what?

01:28:17.600 But you just had a member RFK, uh, on, on Dr. Phil is asked the question about chem trails.

01:28:26.880 Are you going to stop it?

01:28:28.480 And his answer on, on Dr. Phil is yes, we're aware of that, but we don't know who's doing

01:28:35.300 it.

01:28:36.140 Holy shit.

01:28:36.800 We think it's DARPA.

01:28:38.920 Now what that is, first of all, is an admission that chem trails are real.

01:28:42.540 Thank you.

01:28:43.340 You want an admission, John?

01:28:45.200 Uh, what's the governor of Florida's name?

01:28:47.240 DeSantis just signed a bill banning it.

01:28:49.940 How do you ban a thing that doesn't exist?

01:28:52.380 So did Tennessee.

01:28:53.560 And so did Texas.

01:28:55.300 Texas just sent cease and desist orders to the DARPA contractors.

01:28:59.560 So this is disclosure is happening.

01:29:02.580 All of you truthers take a bow.

01:29:05.460 You're great.

01:29:06.360 You did a great job persevering.

01:29:08.120 All right.

01:29:08.340 And then UK just came out trying to get ahead of disclosure.

01:29:11.220 They admitted that they're spraying us like bugs.

01:29:14.080 Okay.

01:29:14.480 So, so my point is that as a, as a truther still with my family, it was hell on earth because

01:29:22.480 the, the, the normie it's their way or the highway.

01:29:27.220 So what happens is initially they keep it light, but if you persist, then they start managing

01:29:32.980 you.

01:29:33.300 So they'll say things like, well, when we go to my in-laws, I don't want you to talk

01:29:37.000 about your crazy things.

01:29:38.300 And when we're out in public, they're trying to manage you, but you're already toast.

01:29:42.680 Okay.

01:29:43.040 You're, you're, you know, the sun in the sky is not even fake.

01:29:46.860 It's a fake sun.

01:29:48.000 And they're spraying the chemtrails.

01:29:49.720 It used to be yellow.

01:29:50.180 It used to be yellow.

01:29:51.240 Yeah.

01:29:51.860 Yeah.

01:29:52.300 And you're like, you're like, they're like, when are we planning the next vacation?

01:29:58.100 John, I was, I was at a resort.

01:29:59.460 Okay.

01:30:00.220 And we're on the lazy river.

01:30:01.640 We go around one time and we stop at the mouth.

01:30:04.740 My wife is a little further back and there's a bunch of husbands.

01:30:07.440 They're waiting and they go waiting for the wife.

01:30:09.960 I said, yeah, I'm going to see if she wants to go around again.

01:30:11.740 And they go, yeah, you know, the wife runs, you know, she'll tell us what to do.

01:30:15.700 Right.

01:30:15.900 And they all joke.

01:30:16.900 And I go, do you know how many fucking lizard people are in this pool with us right now?

01:30:22.820 And then they float away from us.

01:30:25.540 There are lizards in the lazy river.

01:30:27.440 That didn't go well, I'm sure.

01:30:29.300 Who cares?

01:30:30.100 What does it matter?

01:30:31.060 It doesn't matter anymore.

01:30:32.260 If they get to know me, like, what, do you want to have a real life relationship with me?

01:30:35.460 I'm going to say crazier stuff than that.

01:30:37.140 So it's like, this is our basis.

01:30:38.380 If you don't like this, float away, bro.

01:30:40.200 This is a lazy river.

01:30:41.120 Feel free, bro.

01:30:42.080 I did a talk.

01:30:42.820 I did a talk called, help, I have more than 10 rabbit holes in my portfolio.

01:30:47.680 Oh my God.

01:30:49.240 You know what though?

01:30:50.660 If you're rooted in belief in God, these things are not horrifying.

01:30:55.260 So people will often ask, like, how do you look at these things?

01:30:57.400 Aren't they?

01:30:57.880 You can't look into the abyss all the time.

01:30:59.740 I'm like, because I understand to a certain degree what's going on.

01:31:03.560 I've gotten past the doom and gloom when I was younger.

01:31:05.540 And I realized that there is an, there's a plan unfolding.

01:31:08.980 There's something divine happening.

01:31:10.480 It's beautiful.

01:31:11.460 It is.

01:31:12.060 In many ways, it is beautiful.

01:31:13.380 And it's honestly more entertaining than anything they're doing on Netflix.

01:31:17.640 More entertaining.

01:31:18.560 So when you go, like, you're obsessed with it, I'm like, this is the most well-written,

01:31:22.900 exciting, and unbelievable shit that anybody's ever seen.

01:31:27.060 If you could just detach from fear, from fear.

01:31:31.120 That is the main thing.

01:31:32.880 This is the main thing.

01:31:33.720 And again, I hope the Bible hasn't changed this since the last time I read it, but it says

01:31:37.860 fear not a whole bunch of times.

01:31:39.720 Like, don't be afraid.

01:31:41.180 Fear not.

01:31:42.140 I think that that's one of the main messages in the Bible that we should be taking from.

01:31:46.260 This is what we do.

01:31:47.020 We do a lot of stuff that we probably shouldn't do.

01:31:49.280 Not like stupid things or dangerous things or things that'll hurt people, but things that

01:31:52.500 are like, like if they said, uh, you know, leave your job in New York city.

01:31:56.720 That was a state city job.

01:31:58.420 Go start a t-shirt company and a podcast and move your family out.

01:32:03.160 I'd be like, that's crazy.

01:32:04.640 But I was kind of like called to do it.

01:32:06.540 And I was like, it's scary, but fear not.

01:32:08.340 We're whatever.

01:32:08.760 We're going to do it.

01:32:09.320 And here we are doing our third live event somehow, like successfully with this, because

01:32:13.440 it's just like, we're moving forward.

01:32:14.920 We're following, I guess what the Holy spirit is telling us what to do.

01:32:18.280 And, and I'm not really afraid.

01:32:20.120 We know how it ends.

01:32:21.040 Like we're just moving forward.

01:32:22.860 I want to share something.

01:32:24.200 I know we're coming up to the end here, but I want to share something with the audience

01:32:26.360 that I kind of realized the other day.

01:32:28.300 So, so everybody knows that I've been obsessed with this stuff for a long time.

01:32:31.200 And when you are, it makes it very difficult to like live a normal life.

01:32:34.400 And eventually you have to sort of, or at least I did drop all these things, my 10 rabbit

01:32:40.520 holes at any given time and go, these, these things aren't serving me right now.

01:32:44.160 I have to get along.

01:32:46.160 I have to get into the workforce.

01:32:47.760 I have to get an apartment.

01:32:49.260 I have, you know, eventually met my wife and had a son and had to put these things to

01:32:53.140 the side to some degree.

01:32:54.920 But what I found is that, you know, God has a plan for you and that path, if you just give

01:33:01.120 in, will open up for you.

01:33:02.660 And it's not that it's easy, but like things just open and, and the path exposes itself

01:33:07.940 and you get moved along as long as you're willing to give in to whatever God wants for

01:33:12.280 you, not what you want.

01:33:14.460 Now, if you should pursue what you want, that is also achievable to some degree.

01:33:19.540 But I think that it, it, there will be signs along the way that show you that this is going

01:33:25.520 wrong.

01:33:25.860 So the example that I'm going to give is when I was younger, you know, I was out of the

01:33:30.940 workforce, didn't go to school for anything.

01:33:32.240 High school dropout, yada, yada, yada.

01:33:34.380 Eventually, because of my wife and my son, I got into a field that I didn't want to be,

01:33:37.920 which was welding.

01:33:38.680 And I made a career out of it.

01:33:40.580 And I got to the point where in one of these jobs that I was holding for welding, I went

01:33:45.500 from being the low man on the totem pole.

01:33:47.480 I worked my ass off.

01:33:49.200 I honed my skills.

01:33:50.400 I talked the talk.

01:33:51.440 I did everything I was supposed to.

01:33:52.400 I went above and beyond.

01:33:53.360 And I became the shop foreman.

01:33:54.600 And I got paid very well for the first time in my life.

01:33:57.960 And as previously being homeless, I thought that I was doing the right thing, despite the

01:34:03.540 fact that every job that I've ever held has called me away from it and called me towards

01:34:08.200 this, which is not good to, you know, basically look your wife in the eyes and be like, yeah,

01:34:14.060 I know I lost another job, but I'm supposed to be doing something different.

01:34:17.380 Podcasting is what I'm supposed to be doing.

01:34:18.700 And God bless her, she never even pushed back against me, which is insane.

01:34:22.740 But I decide that this time I'm just going to do this thing.

01:34:27.760 I become foreman.

01:34:28.980 I make a whole bunch of changes in the small business that I'm working for, and they pay

01:34:34.100 me incredibly well because of it.

01:34:35.780 And I have on the horizon what looks to be a very promising career as a metal fabricator.

01:34:43.740 For some reason, I got cancer.

01:34:46.180 And I ended up having to get surgery.

01:34:49.300 I lost a testicle.

01:34:50.900 I got influenza.

01:34:53.280 I got pneumonia.

01:34:55.820 I got a collapsed lung.

01:34:57.580 And none of it made any sense.

01:34:59.380 I'm moving towards this thing.

01:35:01.480 My life is getting better by the average man's measure.

01:35:04.500 And yet I'm faced with all these things.

01:35:07.300 But more than anything else, that voice that calls me to be a podcaster would not shut up.

01:35:14.680 Why?

01:35:15.000 I'm making good money.

01:35:16.920 I'm now the high man on the totem pole.

01:35:19.860 My job respects me.

01:35:21.080 I'm about to carve out a beautiful life for myself.

01:35:23.340 But I know that I'm meant to do something else.

01:35:27.040 And long story short, I decide I'm moving to Florida.

01:35:32.100 Anybody with a good career, I mean, Top, you've been there, right?

01:35:34.800 You have this good career people would kill for.

01:35:36.540 You worked your ass off to get there.

01:35:37.880 Why am I moving to Florida?

01:35:39.140 Why am I leaving all this behind?

01:35:40.840 And I do it anyway.

01:35:42.280 And I come here and I get a job in welding to get myself some stability as I get up on my feet.

01:35:47.420 And it works out really well.

01:35:48.440 I make good money.

01:35:49.280 I work for wonderful people.

01:35:50.460 And one day, they shut the doors on me.

01:35:54.100 And when they shut the doors on me, my boss came to me and said, we've got to let you go.

01:35:58.040 But he's got tears in his eyes.

01:36:00.140 And he's telling me that I have something that I'm meant to do.

01:36:03.300 And he's saying, don't go back into work yet.

01:36:05.840 Take a chance.

01:36:06.580 Try to hammer this thing out.

01:36:07.640 I know this is rough because you're losing a job, but try to do what you're doing because I see it as very promising.

01:36:13.520 And I take his advice.

01:36:15.060 I go to my wife.

01:36:16.040 I say, hey, you know me.

01:36:18.880 I can get another job like that.

01:36:20.300 I'm very tenacious like that.

01:36:21.480 I'll go and knock on doors all day long until I get a job.

01:36:23.540 I've had more than the average person, which is not really anything to be proud of, I suppose.

01:36:27.760 But I say, I want to take a chance.

01:36:30.720 And she's got a job.

01:36:31.760 She makes a little bit of money.

01:36:32.920 It's enough to keep the lights on and keep food on the table.

01:36:35.520 And she goes, yeah, do it.

01:36:37.320 I'll keep working for us and you figure it out.

01:36:39.860 One year later, I'm making more than I ever have.

01:36:44.020 And the impact that I'm having on people by just talking about God, just exploring these ideas and pursuing the truth on this show has seemingly done more for people spiritually than I ever could have hoped to do for anybody welding.

01:36:58.580 And it's now very obvious to me that this is what I'm supposed to do.

01:37:03.480 And so the point is, you can go against God's plan for you and you can be a hard worker and you can be tenacious and you can go above and beyond and you can carve out a path for yourself.

01:37:13.020 But there, I think, will be things along the way.

01:37:15.420 Maybe cancer.

01:37:16.160 Maybe you'll lose a nut.

01:37:17.440 Maybe a million things will happen where God is shouting in your ear, hey, dummy.

01:37:21.320 I know you're proud of what you're doing, but this isn't what I had planned for you.

01:37:25.800 And the second you decide to do that, I haven't been sick.

01:37:30.560 I haven't been sick in a year.

01:37:32.360 I was sick every year.

01:37:34.040 The flu, strep throat, every single year since my son was born.

01:37:37.620 All of a sudden, I do this and it's just done.

01:37:39.920 I'm not sick anymore.

01:37:40.840 I'm doing something that the voice isn't screaming at me anymore.

01:37:46.560 And so, yeah, I just wanted to share that with people because it is interesting.

01:37:50.500 You can make your own way.

01:37:52.380 But is that really what it's supposed to be or is it supposed to be what God has planned for you?

01:37:58.360 It's a great word.

01:37:59.440 I was going to say before you started that testimony that the thing that drives the truther is they get in touch with their destiny.

01:38:07.160 That's exactly what I was going to say.

01:38:08.480 And you stole my thunder, baby.

01:38:10.660 I mean, it's totally what drives us because we were asleep.

01:38:14.160 And then you wake up to the world as it really is.

01:38:18.060 And another thing I realize is that becoming a truther means you no longer love the world.

01:38:24.980 Yeah.

01:38:26.000 I never really put those two things together until recently.

01:38:29.180 Love not the world or the things of the world.

01:38:31.360 Well, the normie loves the world's narratives and clinging to them.

01:38:35.980 And you say, no, they're evil and they're fake.

01:38:40.020 And you get in touch with your destiny, just like you were just saying.

01:38:43.840 That's what drives us.

01:38:45.120 It's powerful, right?

01:38:46.320 It's like, yeah, that idea of like shedding, like shed the physical things of the world.

01:38:51.040 It's like, well, what does that mean?

01:38:52.120 And it's like, well, all this bullshit.

01:38:53.300 Now, like I'm able to look at it and say, no, this is, I don't, it's not even that I'm going to ask myself to not want it.

01:38:59.440 Like I literally do not want to take part in what they're doing.

01:39:03.680 Right.

01:39:04.180 Man.

01:39:05.220 It messes you up becoming a truther.

01:39:07.060 You can't, like you mentioned movies, you can't watch the movie and get suspension of disbelief anymore.

01:39:12.020 You can't like give yourself over to the career thing and the, the thing that the world used to have that beach boys fun, fun seasons in the sun feeling.

01:39:21.580 And you're just like, oh, it's like, it's not there.

01:39:25.700 Yeah.

01:39:26.380 Disgusting.

01:39:26.820 Disgusting in very many.

01:39:27.420 I cannot watch a thing without seeing what they're pushing on me.

01:39:30.080 Exactly.

01:39:30.660 Like, you know what?

01:39:31.460 It's awful.

01:39:32.260 You know what though?

01:39:33.120 Like, so yeah, you can't, I can't go on vacation anymore and enjoy that like meaningless drink by the beach.

01:39:38.040 But conversations like this, it gives me the, uh, that like spark that it's like that crack cocaine that I got no apologies either.

01:39:49.660 I got no apologies.

01:39:51.040 I love the truth.

01:39:52.600 Okay.

01:39:54.040 I'm guilty.

01:39:54.840 I love the truth.

01:39:55.720 And I don't like being slow killed and deceived and I'm pissed off.

01:40:00.420 Okay.

01:40:00.680 That's the problem with the normie is they're not pissed off.

01:40:03.340 They're supposed to be pissed off.

01:40:05.240 They're, they're spraying you like bugs.

01:40:07.180 Now we know it.

01:40:07.780 They took 21 trillion.

01:40:09.500 Here's another huge disclosure.

01:40:11.620 Catherine Austin fits on, on Tucker Carlson mainstream.

01:40:15.860 Oh yeah.

01:40:16.600 We did a two year research and we found that there was 21 trillion unaccounted for that was used to build underground cities.

01:40:25.060 And Tucker's like, uh, what did you say?

01:40:27.940 That's the national debt dog.

01:40:29.980 Right.

01:40:30.560 Yeah.

01:40:31.540 Well, 34 trillion, but still three quarters of it.

01:40:34.700 And so what we're watching is it's raining red pills and you think, oh, of course my normie loved ones are going to wake up.

01:40:42.160 Guess what?

01:40:42.980 The disciples asked Jesus, Lord, what's it going to be like in the last days?

01:40:47.200 And this is what he said.

01:40:48.040 Well, they'll be eating and drinking and giving in marriage right up until the time the flood came.

01:40:54.820 They're going to figure out how to stay normie right up until the end.

01:40:57.980 Yeah, they will.

01:40:58.800 I believe that now.

01:41:00.100 And God bless them.

01:41:01.220 God bless them.

01:41:01.940 It's a, it shows like the, the extravagance of humanity, you know, you could, you could shut down, you could shut down the world for six months.

01:41:11.940 And like, I watch it.

01:41:13.440 I guess I watch the people like ants sort of, and it's shut down and they rebuild their culture and the society as if nothing just happened.

01:41:21.320 And something is really beautiful about that.

01:41:23.240 Right.

01:41:23.500 Like, even though it's disastrous, but I'm like, look at these guys.

01:41:27.880 They couldn't even, like, you couldn't find glass for windows of new houses because everything was shut down.

01:41:32.860 But they're like, you know what?

01:41:33.600 It's back open again.

01:41:34.660 Forget all that shit.

01:41:36.280 We're building houses.

01:41:37.180 If they were to apply that tenacity to a love for God, then that's where the beauty kicks in.

01:41:42.440 But that's what humanity is, right?

01:41:44.080 Yeah.

01:41:44.360 Humanity is that.

01:41:45.520 It's like, like the persistence of continuance, but it's just, it's aimed in a really stupid direction right now.

01:41:51.940 Hmm.

01:41:52.520 But if you could aim that in this direction of beauty, of truth, which is logos, that's the word, the truth.

01:41:58.580 Yeah.

01:41:58.740 Speak, I mean, imagine what it could be, but obviously, you know, the Bible says that it's never going to be that way.

01:42:03.720 You're never going to have that here.

01:42:05.040 Yeah.

01:42:05.360 Well, until, until the time comes, but it's just like, I think that's why, I think that's why the fallen hate us, humanity, because we have that ability in us.

01:42:14.400 There is something beautiful about it, even though when, obviously we're looking at it, it's retarded, but there is a spark of divinity, of beauty,

01:42:21.080 to rebuild, to be retarded in the face of, in the face of like clear disaster.

01:42:27.260 Yeah.

01:42:27.400 You have been sabotaged every way.

01:42:29.760 You know, that's it.

01:42:30.720 We, we have that ability to rebuild what we love.

01:42:33.220 We just love the wrong thing.

01:42:35.440 Yeah.

01:42:36.500 I think so.

01:42:37.020 So Mac, Mac tonight said he, I remind him of Seinfeld, right?

01:42:41.040 And I get that all the time, but he also said, I have a horsey face.

01:42:44.380 So understand Mac, God had to give me this huge brain.

01:42:48.780 So he had to fit it in this skull so I could, you know, change the whole world.

01:42:53.280 You say, so you have to forehead, baby.

01:42:55.120 Yeah.

01:42:55.540 Forgive my big, long head.

01:42:57.380 It's just what I got.

01:42:58.720 I can't mess with that one.

01:43:00.440 Well, listen, John, I want to thank you for your time.

01:43:03.480 This is a wonderful conversation.

01:43:05.120 We were going to get it done the other day and one thing led to another.

01:43:08.040 We couldn't even contact you because Twitter went down and that's where your email address was.

01:43:12.120 It was a whole, a whole thing.

01:43:13.960 Oh, Smackdown.

01:43:14.420 But I'm glad that we were able to get it done.

01:43:16.520 I want to thank you for your time.

01:43:18.020 And as we bring it in just one more time, where can everybody find your work, John?

01:43:22.280 Yeah, yeah.

01:43:22.640 Mostly YouTube, we do live streams usually a couple of weeks on the weekends, but that's

01:43:28.080 at Wake Up or Else, all one word over on YouTube.

01:43:31.460 And we broadcast to YouTube, Rumble and X, simulcast, usually Fridays and Saturdays at

01:43:38.280 7 p.m. Eastern.

01:43:40.820 But my content is on YouTube and then, of course, wakeuporelse.com and our outreach website is

01:43:49.000 alteredbible.com.

01:43:50.540 So go download the free books and check them out.

01:43:55.300 Very nice.

01:43:56.080 Absolutely.

01:43:56.640 All this stuff will be in the description for these guys to go and follow.

01:44:00.240 Thanks, man.

01:44:00.960 Thanks again for the interview.

01:44:01.940 This was a lot of fun.

01:44:03.560 I love when it, like, I listen to your stuff a bunch.

01:44:07.340 And so I've heard, I'm familiar with the Mandela Effect stuff, but we like to explore

01:44:11.560 like maybe some new things and just get into a conversation.

01:44:14.100 I feel like we did that here today.

01:44:15.600 So hopefully people will listen to this interview and get something different out of it than

01:44:20.660 the other ones that you've been on, man.

01:44:22.680 Thanks for coming on.

01:44:23.880 Man, my pleasure.

01:44:24.660 This was great.

01:44:25.420 And where can I see this?

01:44:26.800 When will it be available?

01:44:28.000 Because I'll repost it.

01:44:29.260 It's going to be available almost immediately on our RSS feed.

01:44:32.640 Immediately.

01:44:33.140 It's like a couple of days.

01:44:33.900 But then after some time, we're going to release it on our Rumble and our YouTube.

01:44:40.360 So we'll shoot you a bunch of links and stuff when it's done.

01:44:42.640 And that way you can share and help.

01:44:44.300 All right.

01:44:45.120 Thanks, guys.

01:44:46.180 Thanks, you guys listening.

01:44:47.240 Appreciate it.

01:44:48.260 Thank you.

01:44:48.640 Is that all we got, Tom?

01:44:49.360 Guys, that's it.

01:44:50.620 Don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.

01:44:52.560 We'll catch you guys later.

01:44:53.940 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:45:00.740 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:45:04.600 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:45:11.640 Because they'll look in the face of an explanation that portrays a bigger picture of what's happening.

01:45:18.320 And they have.

01:45:23.940 Thank you.

01:45:26.780 Thank you.

01:45:27.800 Thank you.

01:45:28.780 We'll be right back.

01:45:33.900 Thank you.

01:45:35.140 Thank you.

01:45:40.880 Thank you.

Nephilim Death Squad - June 12, 2025

170： The Mandela Effect Is Real—and It’s Targeting Your Bible w⧸ John Kirwin

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