Nephilim Death Squad - 180： The Subtle Signs of Witchcraft w⧸ Vicki Joy Anderson

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00:00:20.900 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

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00:00:31.820 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:00:40.220 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely normal.

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00:00:54.040 These munchies, they controlling this now. 1.00

00:00:56.340 I know we're talking about how they made a spot of these slaves.

00:00:59.460 And everybody's just walking around, heading to clouds.

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00:01:07.500 Welcome to the end of day.

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00:01:14.380 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:01:19.800 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:02:19.800 I think third time on? Fourth time?

00:02:22.180 This might be third or fourth time.

00:02:23.840 She's one of my absolute favorite people.

00:02:25.860 I love when she's on the show.

00:02:27.000 I love hearing her on other shows.

00:02:28.680 And you guys know that I've been talking quite a bit about dreams.

00:02:32.480 And I decided that we had to get sort of an expert in the conversation.

00:02:36.320 And not just me telling you guys all my disjointed stories that nobody wants to hear.

00:02:40.540 Please welcome back to Nephilim Death Squad, Vicky Joy Anderson.

00:02:44.600 Vicky, it is lovely to have you back.

00:02:46.500 But before we get into it, where can everybody find your work?

00:02:50.620 Absolutely.

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00:02:53.420 That's Vicky with an I. 0.86

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00:03:26.760 Very exciting.

00:03:29.080 Before we started the show, we were chatting, you and I, a little bit.

00:03:33.460 And we got in this conversation of witchcraft.

00:03:36.560 Now, fans of the show are aware of sort of the revelations that have come our way in regards to what Top has experienced in his own household.

00:03:44.740 Everybody knows the dirty undergarment story.

00:03:47.440 But what's interesting is, of course, that's kind of, like, piqued our interest in this idea of witchcraft and how prevalent it actually is.

00:03:57.100 We do a show called NDS Chronicles, and we received a testimony from one of our patrons, Tom Suratnak, whose father actually was part of, like, a power team or something like that.

00:04:10.120 It used to be these power lifters that would burst through two-by-fours for the Lord.

00:04:14.880 It's very cool.

00:04:15.840 Back in the 90s, this was something that was very common.

00:04:18.300 But Tom wrote us in and explained to us a situation where he ran into witchcraft.

00:04:24.520 And long story short, by the end of it, it turned into a conversation about how rampant this actually is.

00:04:31.340 It's a lot more common than people would guess.

00:04:35.460 And, you know, it varies from just the sort of the LARPers that, you know, we have talked to you about in the past, Vicky, about people that kind of are just engaging in the aesthetic of it.

00:04:46.160 And there you go.

00:04:47.560 What's the – it's Power Team, right?

00:04:49.120 That's the name of it?

00:04:50.180 Yeah.

00:04:50.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:51.100 I think they still exist in some form or fashion, but this guy started it.

00:04:54.840 They were running through two-by-fours and all kinds of stuff like that.

00:04:57.920 All kinds of stuff like that.

00:04:58.600 For the Lord.

00:05:00.440 So there you go.

00:05:03.400 Look at that.

00:05:03.960 And that's all through the power of Christ.

00:05:05.980 So every time they were done breaking something –

00:05:08.480 These guys are very strong, too.

00:05:10.300 They're also very strong.

00:05:12.180 God has made them very strong.

00:05:13.480 So what I ended up stumbling upon last night was something that is going viral on TikTok.

00:05:22.220 And it's this woman who is a viral hairdresser.

00:05:25.800 And she's been, you know, gaining some renown for a while.

00:05:28.800 It's a very successful TikTok page.

00:05:30.300 Lots and lots of followers.

00:05:31.360 Lots and lots of views.

00:05:32.180 And it was only after some time went by where people started to notice some strange behavior from her.

00:05:39.400 And that strange behavior would be like there's a disconnect behind her eyes. 0.86

00:05:43.860 And she's making all kinds of strange faces that don't seem, you know, applicable to the conversation that she's having with her client.

00:05:51.440 And then somebody starts to notice, well, in the background, there's like she's drawn sigils on the mirrors in her studio.

00:05:58.680 And that appears to be like a little voodoo idol that she's got on her desk.

00:06:04.080 And then someone noticed even that the chair that the clients would sit in had a ring of salt around it.

00:06:11.240 So it's all these really strange things.

00:06:13.640 And to top it all off, somebody started to really zero in on how often she would ask for permission, permission to touch you, permission to touch your hair, permission to spit, like all these different layers of consent that she was going for.

00:06:28.520 And what she does is she masks it behind sort of that there's like an LGBT thing.

00:06:36.120 There's also a racial aspect where, you know, you have to ask people to touch their hair if they're ethnic or something like that.

00:06:41.760 So she masks it behind all of these virtue signals, in other words.

00:06:46.280 But really, if you look at it through a different lens, it appears to be witchcraft.

00:06:50.840 And so after the video was said and done, I was pretty well convinced.

00:06:56.040 And it just goes to show you how how prevalent this this actually is in society, way more so than than people would think.

00:07:03.240 What are your thoughts on that?

00:07:07.180 It is so prevalent, more so than than people think.

00:07:11.760 Um, I probably spent the first 40 years of my life in ignorant bliss.

00:07:19.720 OK, I was born and raised in the Christian home.

00:07:23.140 And, hey, bad things can happen to you.

00:07:27.180 You know, you can get flat tires and your friend can be mean to you today and you got a zit and like things like that, things that Jesus can easily take care of.

00:07:35.100 But the really bad stuff that happens to non-Christians who don't read their Bible and go to church. 0.95

00:07:42.480 Right. So I lived in this like ridiculous bubble. 0.98

00:07:45.720 I don't know how as an educated 40 year old, I still managed to have my butt that filled with my own head. 0.99

00:07:54.780 But there it was. 0.63

00:07:56.300 And around 2015, 2016, I ran into Russ Dizdar.

00:08:05.300 And so many people may be familiar with him.

00:08:07.840 Russ passed away, unfortunately, in 2021.

00:08:10.080 Uh, but he talked a lot about occult crime, uh, ritual abuse, satanic ritual abuse.

00:08:19.600 He worked with survivors.

00:08:21.000 And I now work very closely with Tom Dunn over at Through the Black, and I have for years.

00:08:26.860 And Tom was a, uh, a protege, I guess is the word, sat under Russ for, mentored by Russ for, I think, 17, 18 years, something like that.

00:08:36.740 So I just had this massive, like, you talk about, what do you want, the red pill or the blue pill?

00:08:45.900 I wish, I wish it had been that friendly and cordial for me.

00:08:49.300 It was like, I felt like I was tied on the ground as someone had handfuls of red pills, just like jamming them down my throat.

00:08:56.060 It's like, too much, too soon, too much, too soon.

00:08:58.540 But, um, what, what Russ used to say, and it would be useless for me to give you any statistics, because they'd all be, you know, 10 plus years old now.

00:09:07.120 So you can probably imagine that the stats are, are more than that now.

00:09:11.780 But, um, I don't know if there is a church out there that doesn't have infiltration.

00:09:19.880 Um, I often say that I wish evangelicals were as organized and passionate as the cults and the covens, because they have an agenda, they know their assignment, they're unashamed.

00:09:37.840 And they are more than likely in your church.

00:09:41.880 And if you're saying, well, you know what, I live in rural so-and-so, there's only 20 people in my church and half of them are in their 70s.

00:09:49.180 I will tell you that I went to a church within the last decade that had less than 20 people there.

00:09:55.360 And it was a hardcore reformed theology, you know, one hour sermons, only saying the Psalms, like it was a very like devout type of a situation.

00:10:09.080 Um, I found out the hard way, and this is why I can sit on shows like this now and tell you about what I know.

00:10:15.640 I went through it, uh, unbeknownst to me, that tiny little church full of really nice elderly old people was full of implanted witches from a coven. 0.89

00:10:32.120 And because I didn't know any of this stuff and probably would have laughed at you or rolled my eyes at you if you had told me that these sweet people were something other than what they were presenting themselves to be.

00:10:43.780 I spent 18 months going over to their houses, stepping over their thresholds, eating the food that they made for me, wearing all the hand-me-down clothes that they were giving me, all the gifts.

00:11:01.600 Like I just thought, these people are so nice.

00:11:03.640 Every other day, someone wants me over their house and they're cooking me meals and they're giving me clothes and gifts and jewelry.

00:11:09.100 And so I, I didn't have anything to go on.

00:11:13.080 I just thought, well, these are really wonderful, nice Christian people.

00:11:15.960 And I will tell you that that 18 months wreaked havoc on my life for five solid years.

00:11:26.860 And it, it got very, and, and I had moved away at that point.

00:11:31.060 I wasn't even in the vicinity anymore, but the consequences of my ignorance, it followed me for a good five years.

00:11:42.360 I, um, I was in a bad state, so I, I had to learn the hard way.

00:11:47.600 And I, at this point in retrospect, I'm glad I learned the hard way because now I can attempt to help other people.

00:11:56.120 But guys, it's, it's, it's, it's an uphill climb because as soon as you start talking to the average blue-pilled evangelical, of which I was proudly one for 40 some years, um, you have to get over this misconception that Jesus is this bulletproof vest.

00:12:21.820 That just saves you from every single bullet that comes your way.

00:12:26.220 There's no more spiritual warfare.

00:12:28.200 After you become a Christian, you're impervious to attack.

00:12:32.220 Um, these witches can do and say whatever they want, but I got Jesus. 0.91

00:12:35.680 It's like, well, yeah, but if you're, if you're ignorant of the game that they're playing, you can, they know the legalities, they know the loopholes.

00:12:46.320 And when you start doing things like crossing over thresholds, letting people cross over the threshold of your home, you're eating with them.

00:12:56.720 Guys, this is in scripture.

00:12:58.960 It is in all of the movie lore, all of the vampire lore, right?

00:13:03.860 Um, these threshold covenants, these salt covenants, you know, when you're breaking bread with someone, they are still in play.

00:13:13.760 The spirit realm still operates under these covenants.

00:13:17.980 And if you don't understand the covenants, you don't know about the covenants or you don't take the covenant seriously.

00:13:23.960 That's just the old Testament.

00:13:26.000 Um, if things are different now, um,

00:13:28.860 I wonder how many Christians are going through things that aren't just

00:13:36.900 blithely related to this generic idea of spiritual warfare.

00:13:42.560 Satan doesn't like me because I'm a Christian.

00:13:44.620 So my tires keep popping and I just lost my job and my friend ghosted me.

00:13:49.540 And sometimes the, the conduit of that spiritual warfare are, are humans, other humans that are, are being utilized boots on the ground.

00:14:03.860 And I think more of us than would even realize have invited these people into our homes because they are wearing the disguise of wonderful.

00:14:15.960 Yeah. They're, they're wearing the disguise of super sweet, you know, Christians. 0.94

00:14:21.840 They know the word they're quoting scripture.

00:14:25.060 You know, I, I had one person tell me once who had been victim of this say, never trust those Christian women who are always so nice and excited, you know, and that's not to say there aren't genuine Christians that act that way.

00:14:39.000 Cause I've met them too, but, but a little too nice, a little too gift giving a little like, kind of like exactly what you were just talking about.

00:14:47.400 Raven is this, this whole, like, once you see the sigils and the rings of salt and the permissions, like the, and this is what we have to do.

00:14:55.880 And I wish we didn't have to do it guys, but when we're dealing with another human being, who's operating on a grid of deception, we will never pick up on it unless we are looking at things through a grid of deception.

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00:15:35.840 Foolish and embarrassed when they had no idea their husband was cheating on them. 0.98

00:15:41.060 Well, it's because your husband was operating with you on a grid of deception and you weren't. 1.00

00:15:46.700 So you were taking everything at face value.

00:15:49.360 You did believe he was working late and, and you did believe that the money got stolen out of the checking account because you're not operating on a grid of deception.

00:15:58.200 And so in scripture, when it tells us to be like wise as serpents, that's an uncomfortable verse for me.

00:16:04.260 Cause it's like the serpent analogy is you're telling me I was supposed to be like the serpent.

00:16:08.400 I don't want to be like the serpent, but we're being, we're constantly being warned by these biblical writers, be sober minded, be vigilant.

00:16:16.280 And so we have to understand that when we get into places where we think we're safe, whether it's our church or whether it is maybe a news station where everybody seems conservative.

00:16:30.000 Like when we get into these places where we feel safe, like when we get into these places where we feel safe, that grid of deception goes away and we take everything at face value and there's trust.

00:16:38.920 And that's why I think one of the most ingenious things that the enemy did in our society is he started separating our areas where we socialize and areas where we get our information into this is blue, this is red, this is conservative, this is liberal.

00:16:58.500 Because once we get into a house of prayer, a church, a Bible study group, where we flip on the TV and we go to our conservative channels, we sort of let out a sigh.

00:17:10.660 We believe that everything there is going to be safe.

00:17:13.140 And so we're not as sober minded or as vigilant and we're not picking up on these clues.

00:17:17.660 And so I think that even when we're in a place where we think everything is safe, we still need to be prayerfully asking for discernment because there's always going to be a wolf in sheep's clothing among the sheep.

00:17:34.440 Yeah, even in the political realm, which is like a place where I kind of dabbled in before people like, well, when you look at Hillary Clinton, it's hard to understand what they're doing because she presents as a grandmother and you take your preconceived notions.

00:17:55.820 Right. And you're like, my grandmother wouldn't do that.

00:17:58.740 And I was like, yeah, your grandmother wouldn't. But this lady is not. 1.00

00:18:02.500 They're doing, you know, she's looking for the bodies of the buried Nephilim and has an entire kill list. 0.99

00:18:08.100 So it's like, but it's really easy to take at face value, you know, let people in.

00:18:14.320 I'm guilty of it.

00:18:16.120 And yeah, it's something that actually becomes, oh, go ahead, top.

00:18:19.860 No, that's what, uh, the conversation with Merkel yesterday didn't, uh, it wasn't really about what you should do.

00:18:29.800 It was about, sorry, like what you should let in, you know?

00:18:36.220 And, uh, yeah, I had to really think about that.

00:18:39.740 Yeah, it's, it's hard because I don't want to, um, there's gotta, it's a, it's a fine line to walk because I don't want to be the type of person that scrutinizes everybody and then makes sort of a mountain out of a molehill.

00:18:52.280 You know what I mean?

00:18:52.800 It's like, I'm analyzing everybody's behavior.

00:18:55.020 Although I do a fair bit of that because it's an instinct as a father, you know, you have your, your husband, I mean, I'm sorry, you have your, your, your, uh, your son and your, your wife, and you don't want to allow people in that are potentially dangerous.

00:19:07.760 But at some point, you know, is there a, is there a point of diminishing returns where that filter is broken and now you're scrutinizing everybody?

00:19:17.780 Um, but then again, when you run into these issues, it's almost like, does it even matter if you're, if you're a little overly scrutinizing because, um, the payoff for that is protecting your, your family.

00:19:31.220 The downside is allowing something in that is really hard to identify.

00:19:37.220 Um, you know, so we were recently going through something where, uh, we had this falling out, um, with a potential business partner and we were trying to execute this, this, uh, you know, this big event, Bohemian Grove.

00:19:51.340 And Vicky, when I tell you the few weeks leading up to it, or was it like two to three weeks leading up to it?

00:19:59.200 Um, things got so obviously spiritually heavy and, and what ended up happening was not only were we, you know, I was like inundated with all these dreams.

00:20:10.440 Um, and you know, the irritability was like through the roof that was easily set off and I, and I found myself giving into this spirit of like anger and resentment constantly and having to reel it back in.

00:20:24.960 Um, but also there was like these, as if it wasn't enough, these small little mishaps, you know, you, we were talking at the top of the show about how, um, when you get a flat tire, is that necessarily, you know, spiritual warfare?

00:20:37.820 If you have a falling out with a friend, is that necessarily spiritual?

00:20:40.460 Well, when you, you know, the crazy thing is though, David, it's like, what's that?

00:20:43.660 Cause I'm, I'm always like, I would like to say no up until the point where it's like, get, I get, maybe it crosses the line, but it's so, it was so bad that this example we're talking about back then with the panties, it was like dirty panties left in the house.

00:20:58.120 And right before we find them, uh, some guy, random guy who tells me, looks me in my eyes and says that woman's a witch in no uncertain terms.

00:21:07.680 Yeah.

00:21:07.860 I was like, wonder what that could mean anyway.

00:21:10.440 And just continue with my life for three years. 0.99

00:21:12.560 It's like, are you retarded dude? 1.00

00:21:14.020 And it's like, well, yeah, there's a shirt retardio, but yeah, sorry, continue. 0.95

00:21:18.900 But it's just like, even when it's right there in your face, I'm just like, I don't think so.

00:21:23.220 You know, I don't know.

00:21:24.560 I think that this time we, we actually managed to, you know, top and I would have these discussions while all this was happening, you know, only a few weeks ago.

00:21:31.500 And it was like, yeah, something else is, is happening.

00:21:33.420 I had a spat with my wife is really uncharacteristic of our relationship.

00:21:37.940 We're very, um, easygoing.

00:21:40.820 We rarely ever are.

00:21:42.080 And we found ourselves arguing over, I can't even remember.

00:21:44.260 It was so insignificant, but it was like, I, I said that irritability factor where if you, if you touched me just a little bit, I was very reactive.

00:21:52.000 And even then I was able to stop myself very quickly and be like, this is not us.

00:21:57.720 This is something outside of us.

00:21:59.960 This is something, it feels like oppression.

00:22:02.100 It feels heavy.

00:22:03.340 You know, it feels, uh, it feels like something is influencing us.

00:22:07.020 And then, like I said, the little things that you wouldn't even attribute, like my sink ended up collapsing because they didn't put brackets on the underside of the granite countertop.

00:22:16.420 So my sink ended up falling in and it's just like, you know what it felt like?

00:22:20.640 It felt like life was maybe not life.

00:22:23.580 Maybe these, these negative spiritual entities were constantly pushing me to see if I would react, you know, to see if they can get me to give into that.

00:22:31.640 And I know we'll get into this larger conversation about dreams later on, but I had a dream where I was shown very, and I was shown very clearly, um, that there was a temptation to give in to a spirit specifically.

00:22:49.280 And that if I shared in this spirit, I would end up going to the same place that it and all the other people who shared in it were going, which was into the ocean, interestingly enough.

00:23:02.900 Um, so, you know, but thank God we do what we do and we believe what we believe because had we not had that grounding in Jesus Christ, there is a high likelihood.

00:23:15.960 Especially given our personalities that we would have just given into all of that anger and resentment and just started opening fire on anybody who came our way.

00:23:24.860 But it was a interesting moment in time where we were able to ground ourselves, you know, in, in belief in Jesus.

00:23:30.800 And that's what, uh, enabled us to operate the right way, in my opinion.

00:23:35.480 Yeah.

00:23:35.980 So you said a bunch of things there that are so important.

00:23:38.900 And I think one of the reasons why so many Christians believe that they're impervious to witchcraft is we expect that if we're under some sort of hex or spell or curse, that it's going to be this massive fireworks display, you know, and everyone's going to get cancer.

00:23:56.340 And then all of a sudden the house is going to burn down and, you know, it's going to be this like succession of massively, you know, chaotic events.

00:24:05.060 And so the fact is a lot of this stuff is very subtle.

00:24:10.940 In fact, a lot of it can even be in the mind.

00:24:13.000 And so, um, what happens is our, our weaknesses get preyed upon.

00:24:19.200 Like, so our buttons get pushed.

00:24:21.240 Right.

00:24:21.860 And this might sound like, well, how would they know or this or that or whatever, but here's the, here's the deal.

00:24:26.780 We now live in a society where just our technology kind of has our, us figured out all these algorithms.

00:24:34.580 They know what we're shopping for.

00:24:36.240 They know our music taste.

00:24:37.660 They know all of our friends from our contact list.

00:24:39.560 So if, if, um, algorithms can figure out what button buttons to push, obviously spiritual, um, realities can as well.

00:24:48.520 And so what I've noticed is not necessarily a witchcraft attack, but we're talking spiritual warfare in, in general, instead of looking for the big things, like my car exploded on the way to Walmart.

00:24:58.820 It's, it's more things like all of a sudden a very paranoid thought hits me.

00:25:06.700 And typically it would be something that I wouldn't pause to think of, or I would just laugh off, or it would be a thought that maybe I wouldn't even catch.

00:25:14.480 I wouldn't even be aware of.

00:25:15.580 And then, then you're in this kind of heightened state of paranoia, whether you realize it or not, because now you're, you're fixating on something that's creating anxiety.

00:25:27.180 So now you're in a little bit of a weakened state.

00:25:29.720 Now you go onto your social media and that's the one day out of a year that someone says you're the ugliest thing they've ever seen in their life. 1.00

00:25:38.300 And you're, you're, you stink and you're horrible. 0.98

00:25:40.160 And something that would never even like rest in your mind is all of a sudden layered on top of this paranoia and anxiety. 0.99

00:25:51.940 And so now this is triggering junior high and oh my gosh, like I, now it's all the undealt with junior high.

00:25:58.500 It layers, it layers, it layers until you are in this heightened, frenzied state.

00:26:05.320 And so a lot of what's going on here is, it doesn't have to be all this external stuff.

00:26:12.580 A lot of it starts in the mind.

00:26:16.240 And that's why I think, I think it's Philippians 4.13 that says, finally, brothers, whatever is true, right, pure, noble, excellent, praiseworthy, think about such things.

00:26:26.180 And the formula for peace, in fact, the peace that passes all human understanding, one of the bits of that formula is that we fixate on things that are true.

00:26:38.320 And so when we are grabbing hold of thoughts like, oh my gosh, all the genetically modified food, it's going to kill me.

00:26:47.260 I can't eat this.

00:26:48.320 I can't eat that.

00:26:49.240 I can't eat this.

00:26:50.260 Oh, the air is, the soil is poisoned. 0.91

00:26:52.020 And oh, this person said I was ugly.

00:26:53.940 And pretty soon you're in this, you're full of lies and you're not going to have that peace.

00:27:00.740 And so we have to constantly get the vacuum cleaner out every morning and get the brain, get the lint trap cleared out.

00:27:07.800 So just understand that if you're trying to find evidence in your life of warfare and all you're doing is looking at how many family members have passed away in the last year or how many cars have, you know, broke down.

00:27:20.660 And it's usually a lot more subtle.

00:27:25.220 Yeah.

00:27:25.380 And another thing that you were talking about, Raven, if I can put my mind on it.

00:27:29.580 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:27:30.060 There is a very real reality to what you said, that once a Christian suddenly does become aware of the fact that witchcraft is still prevalent and that this stuff does work and take effect, there is this pendulum swing that goes all the way over to the extreme. 0.60

00:27:52.180 And all of a sudden, and I'm not joking, a lot of times I'm being sarcastic and I'm using hyperbole.

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00:28:52.960 I'm being totally serious this time.

00:28:54.900 All of a sudden, maybe my pastor's a witch. 0.99

00:28:59.000 Maybe my spouse is a witch. 1.00

00:29:01.040 Oh my gosh. 0.84

00:29:02.500 The old woman from church, she brought me chocolate chip cookies last week. 0.97

00:29:06.920 And then I got the flu.

00:29:07.980 And like, I'm not joking.

00:29:09.200 This kind of stuff happens.

00:29:10.340 I had that glimmer of a thought, Vicky.

00:29:12.900 I was just at church this past Sunday.

00:29:15.220 And we were asked to like bow our heads and pray.

00:29:18.440 And this is just me.

00:29:21.080 I think this is just me getting carried away.

00:29:22.500 Exactly to your point.

00:29:23.900 Some little old woman behind me, for whatever reason, reaches out and rubs my back. 1.00

00:29:28.980 So I'm thinking about that now.

00:29:30.740 She seemed like a lovely little old lady though. 1.00

00:29:32.580 But, you know, she touched me, right?

00:29:34.920 But she didn't ask for her consent.

00:29:36.280 So maybe I'm okay.

00:29:38.220 She did not.

00:29:38.660 I'm sure she just thought you were a sexy young guy.

00:29:41.600 I'm sure that's all it was.

00:29:42.880 I think that's all it was.

00:29:43.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:29:44.840 Nice old lady. 1.00

00:29:45.620 Never asked me for permission.

00:29:46.900 So whatever she tried to put on me didn't stick.

00:29:49.760 That's right.

00:29:52.700 So there's a trend.

00:29:55.040 And I'm starting to see it more and more.

00:29:57.160 And it's sad to me.

00:29:58.680 I call this Christian autoimmune. 1.00

00:30:00.860 Okay.

00:30:01.340 So the official, you know, narrative of autoimmune, allegedly, is that there's a part of your body that your immune system suddenly detects as an enemy or a toxin.

00:30:14.560 And so the immune system starts to attack that part of the body.

00:30:19.080 So, in other words, like the immune system detects the thyroid.

00:30:22.600 And instead of seeing it as part of the body that it needs, it's like that's a foreign object. 0.92

00:30:28.160 And so it starts attacking the thyroid.

00:30:30.240 And then you get Hashimoto's and things like that.

00:30:32.620 That's the alleged story, if you believe the guy is in white coats. 0.99

00:30:35.880 But parasites. 0.99

00:30:37.060 Okay. 0.98

00:30:37.200 So anyway, here's the deal.

00:30:40.940 The analogy is in the New Testament.

00:30:43.060 It says that believers, the ecclesia, the assembly, the children of God, we're a body.

00:30:49.500 And we're not supposed to look at the big toe and say, you're not as important as me.

00:30:53.160 I'm the heart.

00:30:53.680 I keep everything alive.

00:30:54.600 And we're not supposed to despise parts of the body.

00:30:57.520 We all work together as a cohesive whole.

00:31:00.880 And one part of the body isn't better or more special than the other parts.

00:31:04.260 Because every part, if you took one away, the body would cease to function.

00:31:07.960 And we are attacking parts of our own body.

00:31:12.080 We're looking at people. 0.97

00:31:13.060 We're saying, well, they're a witch. 0.85

00:31:14.840 Because I believe in this eschatology.

00:31:18.180 And they believe in that eschatology.

00:31:19.700 So you can't just, you know, the Christians can't just say, we have a different view on the rapture. 0.97

00:31:25.740 No, it has to be you're a witch. 0.80

00:31:26.960 It has to be this extreme pendulum swing. 0.97

00:31:30.460 And I'm seeing it.

00:31:32.060 And it breaks my heart, you guys.

00:31:33.400 And I have, you guys, I'm sure, are in the same situation.

00:31:39.000 Because we're in this podcasting world, we have a lot of friends in the same circles.

00:31:44.180 And what's really heartbreaking to me is when someone I really, really love tells me that someone else I really, really love is a witch.

00:31:54.520 Yeah.

00:31:54.940 And it happens frequently.

00:31:56.440 And it's just like, it can wreak so much havoc.

00:32:02.040 And it doesn't just wreak the havoc of believing that, like believing the gossip.

00:32:07.120 It wreaks havoc if you don't believe the gossip.

00:32:10.420 Because now you don't really trust the person who told you the gossip.

00:32:15.120 And I'll tell you one thing.

00:32:16.840 You were telling, you were talking earlier, Raven, about the hairstylist and all these clues people were picking up.

00:32:22.880 Here's another big clue.

00:32:25.480 The person that thinks everybody is a witch and is always accusing everybody of being a witch.

00:32:32.940 You might want to check that person out.

00:32:37.240 These people that are obsessed with pointing out everybody is being witches, what are you deflecting?

00:32:43.740 I mean, some people are just ultra paranoid because they've been hurt.

00:32:47.820 Yeah.

00:32:47.940 Like if you're talking to a ritual abuse survivor and they think everyone's a witch, it's probably from their background.

00:32:53.920 But I'm telling you, I know a lot of people, I shouldn't say a lot of, I have interacted with people in ministry and I get so sick of every single person walking in the door being a witch. 0.95

00:33:05.020 So then my grid of deception turns on and I start evaluating that person differently and sometimes the sigils and the salt start showing up.

00:33:13.840 Well, this is exactly what we've been going through.

00:33:16.380 And it's like on not just this level, since, man, since a child I've been dealing with this, it's kind of what pushed me away from, it's part of what pushed me away from the church initially.

00:33:28.740 The first push, because my mother was, my mom has this ability to like very, very much how like we are like conspiratorial Christians, I guess you'd call us, or like looking into the supernatural.

00:33:40.260 She was doing it, but way back then.

00:33:41.680 So, I don't even know, she had a prophetic dream in, God, how old was I, 12?

00:33:49.040 The 90s, like late 90s, before 2000 and yeah, before 9-11.

00:33:54.440 And that kind of sent her on, so it just sent her reeling from like a person who was just worldly.

00:34:01.020 My dad was always, you know, going to church.

00:34:03.880 He's a very consistent guy.

00:34:05.400 I think the best word for him would be maintenance.

00:34:07.640 I think that's what we're trying to describe, maintenance.

00:34:10.120 Every day, he's doing the thing and keeping it tidy so it never builds up.

00:34:15.820 But it built up, I guess, with my mom.

00:34:17.920 And then boom, one day at once, the floodgates open, and she's like hardcore. 0.88

00:34:21.620 But it got to the point where she's like accusing our family members of, you know, reading scripture and saying like you can't, basically you can't be next to people that are not Christians.

00:34:33.880 You know, you can't be with those that are in the world.

00:34:36.700 And I think that that's true.

00:34:38.540 But I also think that it's like, well, how are you supposed to talk with them?

00:34:41.900 How are you supposed to reach these people and their family?

00:34:44.820 I'm not going to, I reject like pushing them out entirely unless they're doing like a, like obviously on its face.

00:34:52.380 If they're doing witchcraft and you're like in their house, you'd be like, okay, that's different. 0.97

00:34:55.980 But if they're just dumb Puerto Ricans, you'd be like, that's different too. 1.00

00:34:59.420 We have to talk, we got to talk with our family. 1.00

00:35:01.760 So that pushed me away.

00:35:03.320 And then, but it's a motif that continues to come up in our life, even a little bit with Merkel.

00:35:09.140 I had a discussion with him yesterday and I told him outright.

00:35:12.740 I was like, Hey, I think you've been a little distant from us because of, uh, obviously because of what I do online, what I do online is like, cause you're smart.

00:35:21.140 And he told me, he was like, yeah, I have, he says, I have to protect myself.

00:35:25.340 And I was like, I think you did the exact right thing because we've been having convictions about what we do as well.

00:35:30.480 It was necessary at one point.

00:35:32.060 I feel like, but now I don't, I feel like there's a time to put these things away and, uh, now whatever.

00:35:38.300 So that happens.

00:35:39.440 And then the discussion that I'm having with David the last week, which is why I even spoke with Merkel is like, how close do you want to get to a person?

00:35:49.620 How much do you want to protect yourself versus helping somebody else?

00:35:54.860 And what is the wise move to do?

00:35:57.040 And I think we got some good advice, um, and we're going to move forward with it, but that's a, this is a constant thing that's happening. 0.80

00:36:05.200 And it's like, I don't want to be the guy that's like, which is in every corner, but damn, there's, which is in every corner.

00:36:09.600 And, but how do you, well, how do you navigate it to, you know, to Vicki's point about, you know, it's, it's a sensitive filter and it could easily be turned on kind of everybody.

00:36:20.760 Um, we, we're in both this conspiracy world and this Christian world. 0.99

00:36:25.800 Cause I don't think you celebrate it.

00:36:27.380 I mean, you, you, you separated, it's all Christian, it's all biblical. 0.90

00:36:31.060 Um, and, and the Bible helps us understand the things that we deem conspiracy, but because of that willingness to, to engage in those ideas, we attract a lot of people from just the conspiratorial world.

00:36:42.860 And so you don't get accused of being a heretic or anything in that world, you get accused of being like a fed and a shill or something like that.

00:36:51.500 It's very much the same thing.

00:36:53.460 And, and what it becomes is like, um, a joke.

00:36:57.720 Well, it's not just a joke.

00:36:59.120 It's also like, why do I have to be a shill?

00:37:01.600 Why do I have to be a paid operative by, you know, we've been joking around saying general Flynn, uh, uh, made Bohemian Grove possible because it's like, you just, at some point you have to lean into these accusations.

00:37:12.100 Because these people, shout out to Steve Wilkos and his moon map, uh, these people don't take, there's no talking them off a ledge once they decide that you are a Freemason or something crazy like that.

00:37:22.580 But it's like, what about just being wrong?

00:37:25.480 I'm wrong a lot.

00:37:27.080 You know what I mean?

00:37:27.660 Like I, I'm trying to unpack things that are obfuscated from us by pretty clever people that have pretty clever spirits.

00:37:37.480 And I don't claim to know any.

00:37:39.920 So it's like every once in a while, maybe I will have the wrong take or something like that, but I'm exploring these ideas.

00:37:46.020 I'm trying to unpack them.

00:37:46.940 And rather than just being wrong, you're either entirely correct or you're a shill, right? 0.81

00:37:52.820 It's the same thing with scripture.

00:37:53.660 You're either entirely in alignment with someone on their interpretation of scripture, or you are a witch, let's say, and you're, you're, you're doing this sort of thing.

00:38:02.400 So it's, it is hard and I, and I can't help but wonder if the same thing that you spoke about, Vicky applies to, um, these people in the conspiracy world, which is if you are constantly calling, you know, people a shill or a fed, if you are constantly separating those who are seeking the truth from one another, what percentage of those people are actually there to do just that?

00:38:26.440 You know, to, to, to break apart that body, because I do have a great deal of empathy for the conspiracy community.

00:38:32.600 Even if they haven't found Jesus, it's like, if you are earnestly seeking the truth, then you will, because Jesus is the truth.

00:38:40.320 So it's like, if you're going down that path, that's what brought me to this place.

00:38:44.520 And in my understanding of, of, you know, the world, um, then hopefully it brings you to that very same place if you're actually seeking the truth.

00:38:52.080 And so if that is the, the nature of what we're doing, why try to separate us?

00:38:56.700 Why try to, you know, accuse this person or that person, but, um, before we go any further, we'll continue that.

00:39:02.860 I was just going to say, uh, uh, before we go any further, we're at the 40 minute mark.

00:39:05.960 So we got to cut the stream to rumble and, uh, YouTube and X guys, we're not going to do that.

00:39:11.700 We're going to continue.

00:39:12.220 Oh, we're not going to do that.

00:39:13.080 Yeah.

00:39:13.580 Not today.

00:39:14.080 Okay.

00:39:14.620 That makes my life easier.

00:39:15.680 Then I don't have to upload anything today.

00:39:17.660 Executive decision.

00:39:18.480 We'll just run right through it.

00:39:20.020 There you go.

00:39:20.520 Okay, cool.

00:39:21.000 Cool.

00:39:21.820 Um, so Vicky, I don't know if you want to, uh, we just gave you a lot of stuff, but I'll, I'll let you.

00:39:27.720 Address all of it one by one, Vicky.

00:39:29.600 Yeah, please.

00:39:29.900 If you can do it point by point.

00:39:31.280 And then I would like to get onto this conversation about dreams, but please, uh, every single thing we just

00:39:35.880 said, Oh, Oh my gosh.

00:39:38.340 Yeah.

00:39:40.180 Yeah.

00:39:40.640 The whole, the psychology of the trolling is so fascinating to me guys.

00:39:46.620 And, um, here's, I'm going to give you my little, um, psychology of trolling and then we can move on.

00:39:53.220 I love the trolls and I will tell you why.

00:39:58.300 Uh, first of all, um, anybody who's looking for my Achilles heel has failed to find it. 0.61

00:40:04.180 If making fun of me is whatever, because here's the deal, guys, I was born with a fricking birth 0.91

00:40:09.600 defect. 0.87

00:40:09.840 I have a deformed face.

00:40:10.940 I can't hide it.

00:40:11.680 Like I always tell people, how come every single physical malady of mine is, is on my face? 0.98

00:40:16.420 Why can't it be on my butt? 0.97

00:40:17.500 And I can like cover it up like everybody else. 0.99

00:40:19.240 Right.

00:40:19.480 But you know, so look, I got nothing to hide.

00:40:21.680 I'm not ashamed of this.

00:40:22.820 I've, I've been wearing this face for 53 years.

00:40:24.900 I'm cool with it.

00:40:25.700 Um, I don't care if you are, here's the deal.

00:40:28.760 When you go to school for 18 years and it's, every kid is fixated on that.

00:40:35.500 And you've heard everything in the book.

00:40:37.600 There's a point where, you know, it's just not there anymore.

00:40:40.600 You know, there, there's no emotion to attach to that.

00:40:43.300 So here's why I love the trolls.

00:40:45.360 Um, first of all, I feel a little bit akin to them because in my youth, all the way up,

00:40:53.380 probably into my twenties, thirties, I, I was that person.

00:41:00.960 Now, if there had been such thing as social media, when I was in high school, I would have

00:41:06.260 been a troll.

00:41:06.800 I was the one that would have, because of my own insecurities, I would have been the one 0.65

00:41:11.520 mocking you, making fun of you, correcting your grammar, because that I didn't have any

00:41:18.800 peace or love in my own heart.

00:41:21.060 That was my personality.

00:41:23.060 That was who I was all the way through high school.

00:41:25.740 I was just a, I just didn't have the social media.

00:41:27.860 I was just a live in person troll to everybody I talked to because I had a chip on my shoulder

00:41:33.420 and I felt like every day I had to go in and defend myself.

00:41:36.940 But here's the deal.

00:41:37.820 So I, so I empathize with them because I'm thinking if, if not the grace of God, I would

00:41:41.740 still be a troll to this day, probably.

00:41:43.280 But here's the deal.

00:41:45.620 I really do have a heart for people who are deceived, lost, confused, broken.

00:41:55.360 I work with a lot of trauma survivors on a daily basis on email or on the phone.

00:42:03.440 I am talking to people who have been in various forms of abuse, ritual abuse, childhood trauma,

00:42:09.180 dysfunction.

00:42:09.520 And I love these people and I have a heart for them.

00:42:15.120 I've been through that.

00:42:16.180 I empathize with it.

00:42:18.120 And so my heart, I have no desire to go out and preach to the choir all the time.

00:42:25.340 If you know and love the Lord and you're following him, cool, you're done.

00:42:28.660 Like, let's go find the lost.

00:42:30.640 And so I have a lot of empathy for people who are even up into the high levels of witchcraft

00:42:40.620 and in covens and whatnot, because the, the ritual abuse survivors that I talked to, their

00:42:45.860 handlers went through what they went through and their handlers went through what they went

00:42:50.600 through.

00:42:50.800 That's generational.

00:42:51.420 And so it doesn't mean I'm going to show up at a coven meeting and start handing out

00:42:58.500 four spiritual law tracks and thinking that they're my friends.

00:43:01.300 I mean, I'm going to be smart about it, but my heart is there.

00:43:05.520 My prayer life is there.

00:43:07.160 And so what I love about the trolls is they come on your site and it doesn't matter what

00:43:12.940 they say. 1.00

00:43:13.520 It doesn't matter if they say you're stupid. 1.00

00:43:16.180 Have you eaten any paint chips today? 1.00

00:43:18.480 Do you have a tinfoil hat? 0.99

00:43:19.760 Your face is ugly. 0.98

00:43:20.700 It doesn't matter what they say because the algorithm doesn't care what you say. 0.99

00:43:25.980 If you come on to my site and you comment, the algorithm thinks you've enjoyed that comment.

00:43:33.700 Maybe all your friends will enjoy, you've enjoyed that reel.

00:43:36.060 Maybe all your friends will too.

00:43:37.780 So if all the, if every comment that I got on social media was from the choir saying, you're

00:43:45.320 awesome.

00:43:46.020 I loved your book, you know, and believe me, I appreciate that.

00:43:49.760 Encouragement.

00:43:50.500 But what I'm saying is all that would do would be to continue to spread my message to people

00:43:56.200 that already know it and already believe it.

00:43:57.880 So when the trolls come in and they start a firestorm in my, my, my, my comment section,

00:44:05.240 it gives my content to their address book, which I, I otherwise never would have gotten

00:44:12.000 into. 0.99

00:44:12.440 And you know what, you might think this is stupid and 90% of the people who follow you 1.00

00:44:18.480 might think this is stupid, but you never know what new ager or what psych medium or 1.00

00:44:23.880 what person dabbling in witchcraft or astral projecting. 0.99

00:44:27.040 You don't know that one person in your group that's on board with you isn't asking questions.

00:44:32.960 And all of a sudden then they get my contact and they're emailing me and we're having conversations

00:44:38.260 about the gospel. 0.74

00:44:39.200 So I need the trolls.

00:44:41.600 So it's upon me every day to firmly remind myself that my identity is rooted in Jesus

00:44:50.580 Christ.

00:44:51.080 I am created in his image and I have a glorious future and I can deal just like I have dealt

00:44:59.800 with since kindergarten.

00:45:00.820 I can deal with mean people and whether they realize it or not, uh, they are helping me

00:45:10.180 get my message out of the Christian, the Christian choir box and into the, the suggested files

00:45:18.860 of, of all these people who would never otherwise give me the time of day.

00:45:22.360 So you have to have a thick skin and that's part of my prayer every day.

00:45:26.880 Um, literally, you know, we all talk about putting on the armor of God and the helmet

00:45:31.720 of salvation and the breastplate of righteous, um, part of that armor you got to put on every

00:45:36.100 day is a thick skin.

00:45:39.940 Um, and half the stuff out there, I don't know.

00:45:43.660 It might even be bots.

00:45:44.660 You don't even know if you're dealing with a human being half the time anymore, but I can

00:45:49.420 honestly tell you, um, I empathize with the trolls because I was one of them for about 25 to

00:45:55.120 30 years and, um, and I understand that regardless of what they're typing, something about my content

00:46:04.860 resonated with them.

00:46:07.520 And even if their response was anger, fear, or mockery, something resonated with them that

00:46:14.920 evoked an emotion.

00:46:16.220 And of the thousands of things we scroll through every day, every week, I hardly ever comment

00:46:22.720 on something, you know?

00:46:24.740 And so if someone is taking the time to comment, I just take the more philosophical view of,

00:46:32.240 I'm not looking at your reaction.

00:46:34.160 I'm looking at the fact that you took the time, something resonated.

00:46:40.080 And so it actually becomes a form of encouragement to me.

00:46:42.880 Like, okay, a seed has been planted and they don't know it that because how many times you guys,

00:46:47.520 I know this used to happen to me, especially in my youth, someone would come to me and they would

00:46:50.700 say something that challenged my understanding of scripture or my interpretation.

00:46:54.380 And I would be so mad.

00:46:56.040 And, you know, you want to write the 10 page letter with all the Bible verses and prove them wrong and

00:46:59.260 whatever.

00:47:00.420 But there were a lot of times that it was that thing that stuck in my head that 10 years later,

00:47:07.400 I'm like, oh my gosh, they were right.

00:47:10.080 They were right the whole time. 0.98

00:47:11.900 I had this knee jerk, arrogant, little, you know, 18 year old. 0.63

00:47:16.260 I've been to church my whole life response, but they actually were right. 0.95

00:47:23.060 So anyway, that's kind of my little, that's my little take on trolls.

00:47:27.540 I'm not saying I like being insulted because, you know, nobody does.

00:47:30.940 And on a bad day, you know, some things can hurt, obviously.

00:47:34.200 But I really do think that the reels and things where I get the most negative comments on are

00:47:44.660 the reels that are, you know, getting five digits of hits.

00:47:48.840 And so, you know what I mean?

00:47:51.200 It's a catch two, too.

00:47:53.240 If you're going to, if you're going to, number one, if you're going to speak the truth and,

00:47:57.480 you know, there's something to be said about whether or not you're wrong.

00:47:59.920 But if you're going to speak what you believe is the truth, it's going to, people are going

00:48:04.120 to be passionate about it either way, right?

00:48:06.140 It's only if you have like these lukewarm takes that nobody's going to, they're going

00:48:09.100 to, you're going to have lukewarm responses.

00:48:10.700 And so, you know, on the other side of things, I've been a troll in a really major way on Twitter

00:48:18.120 for the past year and a half, two years, really major way.

00:48:21.940 The problem is, is that like, we're, we're putting stuff out on the internet and we're casting

00:48:26.280 a wide net because we want people to see what we're saying.

00:48:29.200 And then you come back and some of the people that do come back are these trolls and some

00:48:34.760 of them are real people.

00:48:35.760 And some of them, if I see you're a real, like if I see that this is a person and nothing

00:48:40.420 really bothers me, but I am going to find what bothers you because it's like, like you,

00:48:46.240 you threw me into the lion's den, but I'm a lion and like, I'm a bigger lion.

00:48:50.900 And I'm like, Oh, Oh, Oh, okay.

00:48:53.080 And now we have, but it's not good.

00:48:55.380 It's not good for me though, because I don't need to do that all the time.

00:49:00.300 Here's how it has been good for me though, is, you know, you, you, you engage in verbal

00:49:05.540 warfare over and over and over again.

00:49:07.400 And all it is, is it's trying to provoke, you know, or it is constantly provoking these

00:49:11.900 really horrible feelings in you, right?

00:49:13.900 That's the truth of the matter is until you, until you get used to it, it's constantly this

00:49:20.020 reactivity.

00:49:21.000 And I know what that spirit is.

00:49:22.020 It's the wrong spirit to be in, but eventually once I engage with it enough, I realized that

00:49:28.040 it's constantly calling me to react and I am given a choice every single time.

00:49:33.180 And I could just, because I respond to you now, it doesn't mean anything.

00:49:36.560 It doesn't mean that I'm, I'm wrapped up emotionally in this thing.

00:49:39.880 Um, what I've started to do now is where people come for me.

00:49:42.660 I'll just kind of lay down in front of them, like, go on, take a bite.

00:49:45.940 It's fine.

00:49:46.780 And I'll see what they do.

00:49:47.880 And you know, maybe if they make a joke about me, I'll make a joke about me and I'll see

00:49:51.900 how they react to that.

00:49:53.240 And what it's, I would have never gotten to this place had I not been in the crowd swinging

00:49:59.080 a broadsword for the past two years.

00:50:01.020 Eventually you get tired of doing it and these people will still come.

00:50:04.800 It's just the nature of having a platform, right?

00:50:06.560 Like you said, Vicky, it's like, sometimes you make a reel and it does like five digits

00:50:09.900 and you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do?

00:50:11.900 Stop making the reel?

00:50:12.780 No, um, I've engaged with it enough now that I can just kind of, I know that there's no,

00:50:18.480 I'm in no danger.

00:50:19.660 In other words, I don't have to defend myself.

00:50:22.040 What is there to defend myself from?

00:50:23.680 And now I've got this kind of new mode that I've been in.

00:50:26.560 I've been testing it out recently where I'll just go, if you make fun of me, I'll make fun

00:50:30.560 of me a little bit harder.

00:50:31.500 And I'll see like, did you like that?

00:50:32.840 Is it funny?

00:50:33.360 Did you get a kick out of that?

00:50:34.300 Why don't you come over here?

00:50:34.960 Let's talk, you know, and kind of see how that goes.

00:50:37.320 And I don't know, I think it's been, it's been working out.

00:50:40.000 Um, it's trained me to get to this very moment where lately I've been completely enamored

00:50:46.440 by the idea of faith versus fear, right?

00:50:49.260 So it's like, you're always being petitioned.

00:50:52.720 That's your free will.

00:50:53.640 Your free will is that choice that you have.

00:50:55.660 You, a thing is thrown at you and you can choose something that aligns with fear, which

00:50:59.860 is defending yourself, which is fighting, which is becoming reactive and, and resentful

00:51:04.480 and angry, or you can, uh, choose faith, which is what is there to worry about?

00:51:10.400 If God's got me and God has a plan and I'm in that plan, then I have nothing to fear.

00:51:15.060 And therefore I can react to this moment in that spirit instead, which, you know, does

00:51:21.400 tend to, um, I guess, you know, bear better fruit.

00:51:24.420 Uh, but I, I think I'm just kind of retarded and I would have never learned that had I not 0.94

00:51:29.420 gone through the gambit that I've gone through in the past two years, where now my, my reputation

00:51:33.900 on, on Twitter is almost exclusively, you know, this troll, but what it, what it now

00:51:38.160 does is it takes this audience that I've garnered and, and I can show them something different

00:51:43.620 where it's like, yeah, you know, I can do that.

00:51:45.840 And you know, I'm unafraid to do that.

00:51:47.400 And I can say all the things and I can say it with my face and my real name on the internet.

00:51:52.000 It's fine.

00:51:52.640 I've been doxxed. 0.98

00:51:53.420 I've gone viral to the tune of 18, 19 million, all this crazy crap. 0.68

00:51:58.400 Um, but I don't have to stay there and I can show you something a little bit different

00:52:02.320 now.

00:52:02.680 So, um, I don't know.

00:52:04.500 God uses broken people for different things.

00:52:07.500 I like to think that he's used me to get the audience and then show them something a little

00:52:12.760 bit different.

00:52:13.240 And that's, that's kind of where I'm at now.

00:52:14.600 But, um, you know, in all of this fear versus faith stuff, uh, especially what we went through

00:52:21.980 recently, I had a bit of a moment where I was, uh, I was honestly, I was smoking, uh, weed.

00:52:29.760 I was smoking quite a bit of weed and I was doing it at night and I've been trapped by

00:52:34.400 that since I'm like 16 years old.

00:52:37.380 And it really doesn't number anybody who smokes regularly will tell you that it doesn't number

00:52:41.940 on your dreams or, or lack thereof.

00:52:43.900 You don't have really any dreams.

00:52:45.360 When I was a young man, I used to get really wild messages in my dreams.

00:52:51.480 And, um, so I was given an opportunity recently where my wife booked a cruise, which was a

00:52:58.240 horrible experience, but I knew that I wasn't going to be able to bring weed on this cruise.

00:53:03.200 This was all around the same time that all this is going on.

00:53:05.620 We're, we're, you know, setting up for Bohemian Grove.

00:53:07.940 We're about to enter business partnerships.

00:53:10.260 And, uh, and I said, you know what?

00:53:11.740 I have to be free of this.

00:53:12.940 I'm going to use this five days on this cruise where I'm not going to be able to smoke to

00:53:17.760 then also be able to come home afterwards and continue not smoking.

00:53:21.360 So I, you know, flushed all my weed down the toilet and then we left for the cruise.

00:53:26.060 And then I went five days and then I came back and I've been free of it ever since.

00:53:29.560 Thank God.

00:53:29.980 And, and so as soon as that happens and I returned from the cruise, I get, I don't even

00:53:35.200 know what you would call them like visions or messages in my dreams over and over and

00:53:40.180 over again.

00:53:40.620 One of them, there's a dog that's been hounding me through this journey in the woods and, you

00:53:46.460 know, by moonlight and this thing is tattered and it's messed up and it's bleeding and

00:53:51.400 it's scarred, but it's not dead.

00:53:53.500 And I turned to it and I realized it's time to put the dog down and I sink this dagger

00:54:00.060 into its side and it, and it's at peace with this.

00:54:03.720 It sits down and it just bleeds out and it looks calm and happy.

00:54:07.520 And I realized, you know, that I'm able to continue my journey.

00:54:10.480 I think this dog represented this spirit that had me for a long time.

00:54:15.700 And I had done battle with it for a long time, but I had never put it down, you know?

00:54:20.660 And so that's the beginning of it.

00:54:23.740 And then from then on out, it's like dream after dream after dream.

00:54:28.040 When I told you about that dream that I had, the audience is going to roll their eyes right

00:54:32.320 now because they've heard this one so many times, but about sharing in that spirit.

00:54:36.240 I believe that I spoke with Satan and I was on, interestingly enough, a ship probably

00:54:43.260 themed by my recent cruise.

00:54:45.680 And there is a man, a well-dressed man.

00:54:48.400 He's older and I have this impression from him that he is ancient and vampiric in nature.

00:54:53.440 That's what I remember specifically.

00:54:54.700 And there are other people surrounding him that I understand are sharing in this vampiric

00:55:00.600 spirit with him.

00:55:02.060 And he knows what he's done.

00:55:03.440 And he's even like mildly remorseful about him, his behavior and his, you know, bringing

00:55:09.120 these people into his spirit.

00:55:10.880 But he's going to do it anyway.

00:55:12.640 And he's very aware that his fate is in the ocean.

00:55:19.960 So he's, he's looked over the edge of this ship that we're on into these chaotic stormy

00:55:25.080 waters.

00:55:25.760 And he's, he's looking down into the waters.

00:55:27.980 And I, and I know somehow that that is his fate.

00:55:30.880 And he knows that, and these other people are going there with him.

00:55:34.080 And he's also a little bit, he's very likable.

00:55:37.060 Honestly, I was remember chatting him up and just getting this like charm from him.

00:55:42.020 And, uh, and, but he is a little bit bummed out that I don't share in this spirit with

00:55:47.360 him.

00:55:47.540 And I understand that if I do, if I choose to do that, I'm going in there, there's like

00:55:51.960 a floozy woman and a couple of other characters, and they're going in those chaotic waters as

00:55:57.840 well, this abyss.

00:55:59.040 And, um, and I know that I don't, but if I should, that's where I go.

00:56:04.760 And, and I, when I wake up from it, I'm in the throes during this time of a lot of things

00:56:11.120 calling me to engage in the spirit of anger and resentment, but justifiably so, because

00:56:19.180 I believe that I was in the right, which is a very sneaky thing, right?

00:56:22.320 Because when you believe that you're vindicated and you're the one who resides in the truth

00:56:25.680 and somebody trespasses against you, then you might give into that spirit.

00:56:30.180 And I felt that it was a, a, a prophetic, like a, not a prophet.

00:56:33.820 I don't know if I'm even using that word correctly.

00:56:35.460 I don't know what half of the words I use mean, but I, I felt as though it was a warning,

00:56:40.820 uh, to not engage in that spirit, uh, because you know, that's where you end up.

00:56:46.900 You end up in the same place that this ancient vampiric spirit is going.

00:56:51.780 And everybody who shares in that, uh, spirit with him.

00:56:54.480 So, um, that being said, Vicki, dreams are something dreams and visions.

00:57:00.500 They, they come up constantly in the Bible and we kind of look at those things as being

00:57:05.540 things of the past, but even in the book of revelation, it says your young men will, uh,

00:57:09.960 dream dreams and your, and your old men will have visions or something of that nature.

00:57:13.680 They're very important.

00:57:14.880 And, um, and I think that we, in this materialistic paradigm that we're in, in the West, we dismiss

00:57:21.060 them as like, you know, strictly psychological happenings, your, your mind unpacking the

00:57:26.060 day and the stresses of the day.

00:57:28.020 And it happens in various symbols and, uh, nothing to be concerned about, but I don't

00:57:32.240 think that, I don't think that that's the truth.

00:57:34.140 Um, can you talk a little bit about dreams and their importance?

00:57:37.920 Yeah.

00:57:38.480 Oh my goodness.

00:57:40.340 My interest in reading about dreams from like a scientific perspective started when I was

00:57:46.160 10 years old.

00:57:47.100 Uh, I remember being in fifth grade and being at the public library with my mom and finding

00:57:53.420 every juvenile book on dreams I could find.

00:57:57.200 And, uh, interestingly, and you guys, this was back in the early eighties.

00:58:04.100 Okay.

00:58:04.820 In the juvenile section of the public library, most of those books on dreams, unbeknownst to

00:58:12.360 my naive little 10 year old brain, we're teaching you how to lucid dream and astral project.

00:58:17.740 Oh, that's interesting.

00:58:20.320 And what's, what's very fascinating though, is I started reading these books and I still

00:58:25.020 remember one of them.

00:58:26.120 And, uh, a year or two ago, I looked it up and I found it on an online used bookstore and

00:58:32.500 I bought it and I reread it.

00:58:34.240 And this is so fascinating guys.

00:58:37.260 I reread this little book on dreams that I had read as a 10 year old and I couldn't

00:58:43.060 believe how many of the things that I have studied, researched and believed to be true

00:58:49.660 about dreams.

00:58:51.520 I originally picked up in that book, I was reading and going, that's where I got that

00:58:55.400 from.

00:58:55.660 I couldn't believe how much of it I had subconsciously retained that had come from that book.

00:59:00.200 Um, but what was fascinating is because I didn't know what I was doing.

00:59:07.260 Um, and this is a different book and it was a book talking about lucid dreaming.

00:59:11.920 And so it was like every night before you go to bed, um, as you drift off to sleep, say

00:59:17.260 I can fly, I can fly, I can fly because flying is like the totem.

00:59:21.320 It's, it's something you can't do in reality.

00:59:23.420 So if you're flying in a dream, that should trigger the, that, like, I must be in a dream

00:59:27.380 because I couldn't do this in real life.

00:59:28.700 Okay.

00:59:29.780 And I remember doing it two or three nights and nothing happened.

00:59:34.480 And then the third or fourth night, now keep in mind, I'm 10 years old, right?

00:59:42.020 In the dream, the fourth night, I'm in the glass elevator from the Willy Wonka book.

00:59:48.740 You know how the very end of the book is, um, they shoot out into the sky in, in this,

00:59:55.380 in this glass elevator.

00:59:56.420 And that's what happened.

00:59:58.340 Um, we went into this elevator and it shot through the, and so we were like careening

01:00:02.500 through outer space.

01:00:04.200 And I, I don't believe that I went lucid at that point.

01:00:09.380 Like, I don't believe in my little 10 year old brain.

01:00:11.480 I'm like, Oh, I'm having a dream and now I can do whatever I want.

01:00:13.700 No, for some reason, the dream terrified me and I woke up and I very explicitly heard in

01:00:22.760 my head, don't ever do that again.

01:00:27.320 And I, I believed it to be the Holy spirit.

01:00:30.240 Like, and so I put it away.

01:00:32.540 I never did it again.

01:00:34.060 Um, and then come to find out years and years later, like, Oh my goodness.

01:00:38.160 Like I was being groomed into that as a 10 year old, but this is how I want Christians 0.99

01:00:44.620 to understand that your, your highly protected homeschooled child, even if you are monitoring

01:00:53.920 what they're watching on TV and you're, you know, you got the parental controls on their

01:00:58.540 social media, these entities are ancient.

01:01:04.500 They know what they're doing.

01:01:06.840 They know how to communicate with us in whatever means possible.

01:01:11.960 And even if you think that you are removing every single possible communication portal in

01:01:18.940 your home, these things can still find your kids.

01:01:22.960 It can be in their heads.

01:01:24.460 It can be in a dream.

01:01:25.560 It can be in their thought life, their fantasies.

01:01:28.680 It can be things that they think they could just hear a teacher say something at school

01:01:33.160 and that that will play in their mind.

01:01:35.780 Um, I will give you one example of someone I spoke to as a young child in an extremely conservative

01:01:44.720 Christian home.

01:01:45.760 This is something new guys.

01:01:47.340 There was no internet when I was a kid.

01:01:49.000 So if I heard something and I didn't understand what it meant, I went to my parents, what does

01:01:53.880 this mean?

01:01:54.300 And then they'd say, we'll tell you when you're older, you know?

01:01:56.900 And so, um, this kid lives in an extremely biblical, godly home.

01:02:05.180 They were watching a religious television program with a preacher and the preacher said something

01:02:13.420 about pornography and this child was so young that he didn't know what that word meant.

01:02:19.340 So he did what every, you know, Gen Z or does.

01:02:23.540 I'm not going to ask my mom.

01:02:25.340 I'm going to ask the internet.

01:02:26.660 And so he Googles pornography.

01:02:30.120 There you go.

01:02:31.280 And there you go.

01:02:32.420 So, um, obviously this is, these were parents that had a very close eye on their kids and

01:02:39.900 prayed for them and everything.

01:02:40.980 So I just don't want, um, again, I guess the theme that we keep coming back to is we have

01:02:48.480 to operate on this grid of deception.

01:02:50.800 We have to understand that just because you are good and kind and pure and ethical and

01:02:59.180 moral and biblical doesn't mean that as soon as you set foot outside of your door, and in some

01:03:04.820 cases you don't even.

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01:03:23.220 You can't tell me what to say.

01:03:25.320 I'd apologize, but I don't think you'd believe me.

01:03:28.620 And frankly, I just don't care what you think.

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01:04:14.580 You don't have to go that far.

01:04:19.660 We are dealing with a lot of things and people that are full of very subtle, very clever deception.

01:04:30.740 And we have to take, you know, be sober-minded and vigilant.

01:04:34.600 I'm going to go to church and I'm going to read my Bible.

01:04:36.500 Like being sober-minded and vigilant basically means you're in battle.

01:04:43.580 You know, what soldier on the battlefield has his gun unloaded or has the safety on and

01:04:50.660 it's in the back pocket?

01:04:52.760 You know, let me get my gun.

01:04:54.500 It's in my purse.

01:04:55.200 You know what I mean?

01:04:55.920 And so if you're a soldier on the battlefield, being sober-minded and vigilant, being prepared

01:05:01.340 means that gun is no safety, it's locked and loaded, it's up, you're looking, you're flanked

01:05:07.100 on the side by your buddies.

01:05:08.460 Like we are shying away in our day and age from the military metaphors that are in scripture

01:05:18.640 because it's violent and it's aggressive.

01:05:20.840 I mean, on social media, I don't even think we have to say things like pew, pew. 1.00

01:05:24.240 It's so stupid. 1.00

01:05:25.080 Like we can't even talk about it. 1.00

01:05:26.620 Um, if you break down a lot of the allegory and the metaphors in scripture, the words being

01:05:34.560 used in scripture, like even the great commission, go into all the world and preach the gospel.

01:05:39.520 Commission is a military word.

01:05:43.580 And if you really break down the metaphors and the analogies that are using in scripture,

01:05:50.080 um, it's not rainbows and pancakes and glitter, you guys, it's war terminology.

01:05:57.640 It's, it's about vigilance and it's about weapons of our warfare.

01:06:03.620 Are you kidding me?

01:06:04.580 Putting on armor, putting on the full armor of God.

01:06:07.880 The battle is not against flesh and blood in Ephesians 6, 12.

01:06:12.280 This is a military handbook, you guys.

01:06:15.520 Like, uh, but you can't talk about that because Jesus apparently was a pacifist hippie who

01:06:21.980 walked around in sandals, just like spreading his message of love, you know, and I'm not

01:06:26.280 mocking Jesus.

01:06:27.600 I'm mocking people's watered down one dimensional interpretation of who first century Jesus was.

01:06:34.920 And if we understood the culture and the context of a lot of what's going on in the

01:06:39.560 new Testament, a lot of the things that Jesus is saying in English, you know, we read it

01:06:44.580 all in our little British accents and he just sounds so calm.

01:06:48.220 If you understood the stuff he was saying, you know, we were talking earlier about being

01:06:53.640 a troll on X.

01:06:55.480 Jesus was trolling the mess out of those high priests and those, those, um, calling them

01:07:01.220 whitewashed tombs and not everyone of Abraham is Abraham.

01:07:05.020 What he's basically saying is I know exactly who you are.

01:07:07.420 You got all these people fooled, but I know who you are.

01:07:09.560 You're doing a thing where we have these synchronicities on this show.

01:07:12.680 So yesterday we talked to Ed Mabry, right?

01:07:15.440 Top, he said the exact same thing about like the King James version and how the, the language

01:07:22.040 is filled with all this like proper English.

01:07:24.000 And so it sounds like flowery and it sounds, um, I don't know, it takes the edge off of

01:07:29.380 the blade, right?

01:07:30.260 In a big way.

01:07:31.120 And he was even talking about, uh, calling them tombs and, and, you know, uh, filled with

01:07:36.000 dry bones and all these different things.

01:07:37.520 I mean, that was just, that was literally just yesterday.

01:07:39.440 Wasn't it top?

01:07:40.420 Yeah.

01:07:40.700 This is why like, it kind of like the previous conversation we just had about trolling where

01:07:45.440 I realize, um, a lot of the things I say, especially written things.

01:07:50.540 I'm very careful what I say on Twitter and it doesn't seem like it cause it seems wild,

01:07:54.780 but every word is crafted and put next to the other, depending on the intention that I'm

01:08:01.800 trying to do.

01:08:02.620 And a lot of this, a lot of the intention, sometimes when I'm trolling these people, yeah, 0.94

01:08:06.740 you brood of vipers is a crazy, it's a crazy line to say to people.

01:08:10.520 But when you're, when you're wordsmithing and you're putting these words together, you

01:08:15.560 can build somebody up or you can cut them down.

01:08:17.620 And I've gotten very good at that and cutting somebody down is, uh, brutal.

01:08:23.800 And I think sometimes people like some of the, some of these people really need that, like

01:08:27.880 not just, not just like the common person, but like you're talking about the politician,

01:08:32.080 the guy who, you know, created the legislation to lock you down.

01:08:35.580 It was like, I'm going to say the thing to you.

01:08:37.540 And it's fun too, within Twitter or X or whatever, where it's like, now you have these

01:08:41.640 boundaries, can't say this, can't say that.

01:08:44.380 So it's like, I have to be creative and I'm going to be very creative and, and weave my

01:08:48.660 way through this.

01:08:49.560 But in the end, you're going to block me.

01:08:52.280 And I like many people, Jordan Peterson has blocked me because of the things I said to

01:08:57.140 him.

01:08:57.240 And it's never been, I still have my account, so it's never been overly crazy, but they

01:09:03.180 cut like a knife.

01:09:03.960 So yeah, I'm like when, when I'm older and I'm reading some of the things that Jesus 0.99

01:09:09.420 was saying to the Pharisees, I'm like, damn, that's crazy. 0.98

01:09:12.820 And it says someone's face to say it is even more crazy. 0.99

01:09:16.380 It's like a slap. 0.99

01:09:17.380 You might as, it would have been better to just slap them. 0.98

01:09:20.040 Yeah. 0.97

01:09:21.020 Well, that's the thing though.

01:09:22.060 It's not, um, there's something to be said too, about what, what you're doing top where

01:09:25.520 it's like, you are accurately and, and, you know, viciously in some ways describing who

01:09:32.580 a person is or what they've done and that's, that's comedy and that's comedy, but it's

01:09:36.500 also different from cursing someone.

01:09:38.100 It's, it's, you're not going out and saying, I hope that you never know the father.

01:09:42.720 I hope that you lose your way.

01:09:44.520 I hope that your family X, Y, and Z, like none of that is happening.

01:09:48.080 Right.

01:09:48.380 So we were talking yesterday about blessings and curses and what that actually means.

01:09:52.680 Um, and, and this idea of speaking spiritually ill about someone in the hopes that they remain

01:10:00.520 spiritually ill.

01:10:01.320 It's like, ultimately, I hope that all of these people find that Jesus Christ is the

01:10:06.480 way, the truth and the life.

01:10:07.740 Um, but there that's different from identifying the thing that you've done and what you've

01:10:13.040 become and what you are in this moment and saying it in such a way that it, you know,

01:10:16.520 it gets viral.

01:10:17.740 The truth has a way of cutting like a knife, uh, but that is different from wishing ill

01:10:22.660 on people.

01:10:23.140 I think.

01:10:24.100 Yeah.

01:10:24.680 Yeah.

01:10:25.140 This is a great conversation.

01:10:26.580 And I don't, I got to word this for real carefully, even though I'll probably be misunderstood

01:10:31.500 anyway.

01:10:31.980 But, um, I, what, what we're talking about here isn't, I'm not giving Christians license 1.00

01:10:37.900 to be jerks, nor am I saying, you know, Hey, Jesus was a jerk. 0.99

01:10:42.980 So we can be too. 1.00

01:10:43.940 No, absolutely not.

01:10:45.180 We're supposed to love our enemies and we're supposed to turn our other cheek, et cetera,

01:10:48.280 et cetera.

01:10:48.680 But here's the deal.

01:10:49.880 If you culturally and contextually understood who Jesus was talking to and what he was saying,

01:10:58.700 his interaction with the high priests is what killed him.

01:11:06.100 Now on a theological level, he laid down his life on his own accord.

01:11:10.200 That was his mission.

01:11:10.940 That's why he came.

01:11:11.780 It was going to happen regardless of what means it happened.

01:11:14.360 But those high priests hated his guts because every time they opened their mouths, he made 0.99

01:11:24.540 an absolute fool out of them. 0.99

01:11:28.360 And yet he didn't do that to the common man, the sinners, the adulterers, you know, that 1.00

01:11:33.740 the people who came to him, he had all this compassion on and there's layers of why that's

01:11:40.220 true.

01:11:40.480 But here's the deal.

01:11:43.000 The common people, the deplorables who've been lied to, where the scriptures have been 1.00

01:11:49.540 distorted and we've been hearing a false gospel our whole life.

01:11:53.820 He had, he has compassion on the deplorables because we don't know what we don't know.

01:11:59.980 And the reason why he was so aggressive with those high priests and, and the hierarchy and

01:12:06.340 the elites is because they knew and they were choosing to be deceptive.

01:12:13.180 And so it was a different layer of accountability there.

01:12:16.380 And, and we know that there were elite people who were receptive or curious.

01:12:23.320 Um, we, we know, uh, was it, was it, no, not Caiaphas, the high priest that came to him

01:12:28.400 in the middle of the night, kind of incognito Nicodemus, Nicodemus.

01:12:32.500 Thank you.

01:12:33.880 And, um, even the centurion, the Roman centurion who said, surely this was the, the son of God.

01:12:41.700 And, uh, I've read things guys.

01:12:44.360 I'm, my research hasn't convinced me a hundred percent that this is true, but I have read that

01:12:52.000 the, the military officer in the book of Acts where Peter sees the vision of the sheet and

01:12:58.760 he goes and he kind of illegally speaks to the Gentile. 0.88

01:13:03.920 Um, I've read research again, I'm not a hundred percent convinced that that first Gentile convert 1.00

01:13:12.080 in the book of Acts, um, could have been the centurion that was at the, at the cross.

01:13:19.380 So he had had this moment of realization, but this isn't open to me.

01:13:23.960 I'm not Jewish. 0.55

01:13:24.960 This isn't open to me.

01:13:25.980 And then he becomes an integral piece of the story later.

01:13:29.980 So I don't know if it's true or not guys, but it, it is, um, this, despite whether it's

01:13:36.440 the same guy or not, this guy in Acts was a somewhat in the employ of the government.

01:13:44.560 You know, he was in, in those circles.

01:13:46.480 And so I think sometimes we, we think that these super high ranking elites are beyond

01:13:52.880 salvation.

01:13:53.500 And I do believe some of them might be if they're not fully human or if it's an infiltration,

01:14:03.660 um, et cetera, et cetera.

01:14:05.960 But, um, I, I do think that we have severely misunderstood and underestimated what the mercy

01:14:18.160 of God really is.

01:14:20.300 We've written a lot of people off.

01:14:22.620 Um, it's not just gang members and mafia members and serial adulterers and gigolos that he, you

01:14:32.140 know, Oh, I have this wonderful testimony.

01:14:34.700 I did this.

01:14:35.380 I did that.

01:14:36.380 Um, when you get into the nitty gritty, even of, you know, a lot of the people that I speak

01:14:44.520 to who are coming out of ritual abuse and things, these are people from generational bloodlines

01:14:49.420 that you would think Jesus would never have compassion on this, on this bloodline.

01:14:54.380 Are you kidding me?

01:14:55.200 And yet we see him choosing people out of these bloodlines.

01:15:01.500 And I think that when it says in scripture that Jesus is going to have a representation

01:15:07.220 before his throne of every tongue and every tribe, every bloodline, um, there's going to

01:15:14.060 be a remnant from, from every bloodline.

01:15:18.980 So I, I don't know.

01:15:20.500 I just, I, I just don't know how accurate our little pea brain understandings of Jesus

01:15:28.820 really is at this point.

01:15:30.080 Like we, we have all these things where, Oh, he's the son of God and he died on the cross

01:15:34.180 and, um, he loves me.

01:15:36.240 And, you know, we have these broad stroke, you know, things that we've learned since Sunday

01:15:40.440 school, but he was an extremely complicated human being.

01:15:46.120 And, um, you know, he came the first time he came, he had a purpose.

01:15:54.440 And I think where a lot of people are going to get confused inside and outside of the church

01:15:59.880 is that when he comes a second time, it's not going to be hippie Jesus.

01:16:07.240 Right.

01:16:08.040 And I'm not calling Jesus a hippie.

01:16:10.080 I'm saying that's what the church has made him into.

01:16:12.460 That's what the world has made him into.

01:16:14.160 I don't believe that's what he is.

01:16:15.980 But what I'm saying is when you read the descriptions in revelation, where this guy comes back on,

01:16:21.280 on a white horse with a sword, um, first century, Jesus is not the Jesus that's coming back again.

01:16:29.540 And that's why a lot of people are not going to recognize the real Jesus.

01:16:32.440 Cause they're going to be looking for the hippie and the antichrist is going to be exactly what

01:16:36.980 you think he should be.

01:16:38.560 And I think the real Jesus is going to be very offensive to a lot of people, especially in our

01:16:44.180 culture where we're, we're making a point now to reshape the collective conscious that men who are

01:16:52.480 aggressive or competent or, or leaders, they're all, you know, all this toxic masculinity and the

01:17:01.560 mansplaining and all of these movements. Um, they're doing that very intentionally because

01:17:08.120 when the real ancient of days comes back in mortal flesh, he is going to be everything that this

01:17:17.500 culture has taught you to hate in a man, because he's, he's going to be displaying a masculinity that

01:17:23.640 is in your estimation, toxic. It's all very intentional what they're doing.

01:17:28.640 So I think, so that's a man, what's the chapter here? 19. Yeah. Obviously revelation 19, but that's

01:17:35.480 verse 15 from his mouth comes a sharp sword, uh, which with, with which to strike down the nations

01:17:42.180 from his mouth is what I was just talking about. And I'm, I'm using the words because not like, uh,

01:17:47.440 because I'm familiar with the Bible, but I'm using them because I'm familiar with what they do.

01:17:50.880 When you use the words in a certain way, it's like, yeah, I can cut you. It can be cut really

01:17:56.660 badly. Unfortunately for me, I think sometimes it's misguided, but what, what Jesus seems to have

01:18:03.260 been doing, like after reading, you reread, uh, his, his little conflict with the Pharisees, a little

01:18:12.200 conflict, um, in the temple. And it's like, it's very similar to when God is speaking. It was like

01:18:20.480 Psalm 82. He's speaking to the Elohim and he's judging them. Or when God is, uh, he judges the 0.96

01:18:27.660 Kings. He asked the Kings questions and then he asked the, uh, the entities above them. He doesn't

01:18:33.100 ask them anything. He just tells them. And it's like, damn, every time he, every time God is talking

01:18:37.640 to, uh, principalities, entities, angels, whatever. It's like, that's that. And, and it's over and it's a 0.99

01:18:45.600 sharp sword from, from their mouth. There's a judgment. But when he's talking to humans, you know,

01:18:51.300 no matter which bloodline, it's always questions. It's always Adam and Eve. He's like, you know,

01:18:55.700 what did you do? These are what you did. Who told you this? Where are you? But he's talking with them

01:19:01.640 and there's a, there's a discourse. There's a reasonable discourse between them. So yeah, when you

01:19:06.780 see fatherly energy. Yeah. It's just, it seems like after reading that, like back and forth with the

01:19:12.360 Pharisees, like Jesus, wasn't talking to them. He was judging them. He was condemning them. 1.00

01:19:17.380 And, but was he condemning the people or the ideology behind it? Because that's a lot of the

01:19:24.180 times, like when I'm trying to address these people, if someone's attacking me, like you'll 1.00

01:19:28.940 attack me on a, something stupid. You'll call me Brown with, you know, whatever hair. And I go, 0.99

01:19:34.920 okay. And I cut right underneath. What's the, what's, what are you sitting on your ideology?

01:19:40.140 And I just pull that from you and it crumbles. And then they, then they freak out. And then I have

01:19:45.040 a little fun with them, which is just my fun. But it's, it seems like that's what, like when,

01:19:51.460 when you're judging an ideology, this, whether it be leftism or even conservatism to a certain point,

01:19:57.340 you're like, you're looking directly at something that's not human. It's something that humans are

01:20:02.400 acting on or under. And I'm like, well, I'm going to break that. Yeah. It's moving them. Yeah. And I'm

01:20:08.880 moved by it too, like by certain things, because I'm human as well. So I'm not going to be like,

01:20:14.460 oh, I'm, I'm above all this, but like, I recognize it in a way. And I was never able to verbalize it,

01:20:19.360 I suppose. But like, that's kind of what's going on here. I could see how it could be perceived as

01:20:23.860 bad or harsh, but Hey, you know, I've been in that place too recently where I'm like, you know,

01:20:29.740 you've seen some of my tweets where I made a tweet recently where I said, God wants me to stop being

01:20:33.980 mean on X, which is like, you know, it's a little bit of a joke, but it's also like,

01:20:39.260 I'm trying to find that place. Right. Because if I'm going to pursue the truth,

01:20:44.040 well, then it's always going to ruffle feathers. And if I'm going to speak the truth, well,

01:20:48.780 then it's always going to ruffle feathers. But how do I engage in that place where I remain there

01:20:56.420 instead of once again, feeling vindicated because I believe that I'm, I'm speaking the truth.

01:21:02.200 So when you come against me, I'm then allowing myself to give into that, that other spirit.

01:21:08.900 Right. And I think that that's where you're constantly tempted is because of that vindication,

01:21:15.900 because of, of feeling justified in, in your position, then you might just lean over and go,

01:21:22.260 yeah, we'll, we'll do a little anger and resentment. We'll do a little bit of, uh, you know,

01:21:26.320 cutting a person down. So you have to, it's, it's not an easy walk, right? We're tops like,

01:21:31.580 you know, and then I have my fun and it's like, you know, maybe, but where, where in that do I,

01:21:37.600 I'm just trying to be brutally aware of when I'm walking in one spirit versus the other. And,

01:21:44.660 and I think that it would make sense if you're going to be a truth teller that you would be at

01:21:51.080 the cutting edge of that temptation constantly. And I think that that's where we find ourselves.

01:21:55.300 Here, here's kind of where I'm at with it. After three years of navigating, I've only been on social

01:22:00.440 media for about three years. I was never on it before. And so here's kind of where I'm at with

01:22:05.820 it. So if someone right out of the gate, isn't even interacting with the content, it's just an

01:22:12.960 insult. It's just like the paint chips or the tinfoil hat or a remark about the way I look.

01:22:18.300 I feel at that point that I've already won the argument because it's you, you don't resort to

01:22:24.600 insults until the, you have nothing else to say. Right. So as soon as someone, if it's just an

01:22:29.960 insult, it's like, okay, well, I already won the argument. So I don't even have to engage because

01:22:33.540 you, you don't even have the wherewithal to explain to me, this is what I don't like about your content.

01:22:42.200 And this is why, because, so if it goes straight to the insult, I've already won. So I don't have to

01:22:46.240 even raise a sword. I move on. Now, when it comes to someone who's like articulate, I don't like

01:22:53.840 this. And this is why when I engage and I don't always engage, it depends on what I do. And this

01:23:03.020 is to avoid the temptations you're talking about Raven, because I come from a long history of using

01:23:10.040 my gifts of articulation to rip people to shreds. Like my sarcasm. I mean, there are so many comments

01:23:19.120 where I'm like, Oh man, it's such a perfect line, but I'm like, so then I, I preach to myself and I

01:23:26.400 say a gentle answer turns away wrath. Okay. I take a deep breath. What I do when I respond to the people

01:23:34.380 who are arguing theologically with me, right? Cause I think those are the only arguments worth having

01:23:40.440 is, is, you know, if you have an interpretation of the scripture wrong, even if you're only that far

01:23:47.480 off, the trajectory is you're going to be a light year off if you keep using that as your foundation.

01:23:52.460 So there's things I think that are worth correcting and you don't have to be rude or mean to, to do that.

01:23:59.360 And so the way that I avoid the temptation to be sarcastic is instead of having a conversation

01:24:12.540 with the person who actually left the comment, I think in my mind, there's going to be a permanent

01:24:19.020 record of this conversation that might be more meaningful to the people who come later and read

01:24:25.360 it than the act. Cause the person who's commenting is already closed minded. They're already not

01:24:30.740 probably going to listen or have their mind changed. You're already dealing with someone

01:24:33.940 whose mind is shut. But if I'm someone who comes, you know, three weeks later and I have it in my head

01:24:42.160 that all Christians are stupid and unscientific and mean and judgmental. And every Christian I've ever 1.00

01:24:49.240 met has just been rude and, and arrogant and I'm reading an argument and the Christian is ignoring 1.00

01:24:57.680 the insults, being kind, laying out exactly in scripture, why that's true. And this is what the 0.52

01:25:05.040 Greek means. And that becomes a testimony to the people who come after, wow, this, this Christian

01:25:14.000 actually has read the Bible. She's actually saying that not because some pastor told her it. She's

01:25:20.420 actually done some research. Oh, she's not being a total jerk. Um, man, she's not reacting when, 0.99

01:25:26.580 when they're, they're insulting her and stuff. So that really helps me to avoid getting into my flesh

01:25:33.000 and being sarcastic because it isn't about me and that person. It's about the people that come later,

01:25:38.760 whose maybe hearts aren't hard and whose minds aren't closed. Can I represent Jesus Christ in a

01:25:45.800 way that is going to make me proud on judgment day for how I dealt with the lost? So, but, but isn't

01:25:54.280 that crazy guys, how we have to go through this whole philosophical sort of, you know, hoop jumping

01:26:01.200 to even just respond to someone who's really only just wanted to be mean. They're not looking for

01:26:06.360 answers. They, they just want to, you know, and another thing that really helps me is

01:26:11.080 because social media is just this massive mosh pit, uh, where someone says something and moves on

01:26:20.400 pretty much 10 seconds after they've left that comment, they're never even going to remember

01:26:25.680 they typed that. Yeah. So I figure it's already forgotten by you and everyone who's read it. So

01:26:32.180 I'm not going to keep bringing it up. It is a, it's a good practice on, on letting things go.

01:26:38.960 Um, you know, if, if that's the kind of learner that you are, uh, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm kind

01:26:45.860 of a hard learner. So I have to go through a thing instead of just like reading the wisdom in it,

01:26:50.020 I've got to engage in it and then actually see the, the thing in its function. And I I've gotten

01:26:55.760 much better now at like, um, you know, as, as far as like forgiving people and not only because I've

01:27:02.100 gone through all of that, but, uh, it is an interesting thing because it's just text on

01:27:07.620 the internet. And, uh, for me, it's, it's, it's taught me quite a bit. Uh, but for other people who

01:27:13.940 have been teaching me this lesson, they probably don't even remember it. So the weird, yeah.

01:27:18.900 The weird thing is, is that like a lot of the pushback that we've gotten from people,

01:27:22.900 good people around us be like, Hey man, that's crazy what you're saying. And I'm just like,

01:27:27.620 I know. Uh, but then I turn and I'm like, but look at what it's built. Very strange. Yeah. Like,

01:27:35.300 uh, that now I have to, now I got to deal with that. You know, um, it's built this, uh, group of

01:27:42.380 this, there's a core group of people, like a hundred of them that are really solid. And when I, I,

01:27:48.820 I watched what they do and you see how they're changing and growing, they're still crazy, 0.50

01:27:53.820 but like, we're picking up retarded people, uh, on the way. And like, this person's a real 0.96

01:28:00.940 crazy one. And then a while, like after a while, like the community, they, they kind of like fixed

01:28:06.540 themselves, but otherwise, like they, like, I don't know, like they wouldn't be attracted to.

01:28:11.580 Yeah. Uh, normal, but no, here they are. So, but I'm like, I also realized I'm like, this is,

01:28:18.500 this takes a toll. Like, I don't, I don't like this thing. Yeah. But, but that is that we've,

01:28:23.820 we've bought in people that I, that otherwise wouldn't have been reached. And I think everybody

01:28:27.820 has the ability to do that, reach somebody who somebody else can't reach. And we've done that

01:28:32.220 at scale and, and brought these people in and then, yeah, watch their transformation along,

01:28:37.180 along with our own transformation. I like to think that we've become a bit wiser over the last

01:28:41.480 few years. And, and we see that reflected in the community and, and what are we all ultimately

01:28:46.780 pointing towards? We're all pointing towards Jesus Christ, which I think is probably the reason

01:28:51.720 that we've all become a little bit wiser, uh, over these past few years, but it is, it's weird because

01:28:58.400 the people who are good people who are correct, who are telling us like, look, this thing that you're

01:29:04.620 doing is really crazy. And it's, it is a corrosive. It can be very corrosive on the spirit. Um, it's like,

01:29:11.240 yeah, I, I agree. But then we turn back and we look at all these people that we dragged along with

01:29:15.840 us who are seemingly better for it. Um, and, and, and it didn't, it didn't kill us. Uh, you know,

01:29:22.880 we're still here and nobody's beyond redemption. Uh, so I don't know, it kind of feels like we did our

01:29:28.340 own kind of dipping a toe in the underworld to, to pull a couple of homies out with us and, 0.94

01:29:33.540 and then keep going. And so this, this show has had a very strange evolution. And I know that in the

01:29:38.440 beginning of it, um, you know, you were always kind enough to grace us with your presence and

01:29:43.740 come and have a conversation with us, but there's a lot of people and a lot of people did. And, and a

01:29:48.620 lot of those people still were like, geez, what are you guys doing over here? And, uh, and, and they

01:29:52.980 weren't, they weren't, I blocked out the curse word in the intro. I'm trying a little bit out guys.

01:29:58.140 We're getting better. We're getting better. Uh, I think honestly, that's been one of the,

01:30:02.440 the real, um, functions of this show is we've never been static. You know, this is, we've been

01:30:08.840 constantly evolving and growing and changing. And, um, and if you're being honest, then that's

01:30:14.440 going to happen. If you're, if you're setting out to like portray a character and do a bit,

01:30:18.580 well, then you can remain pretty static in that because instead of showing people who you really

01:30:22.900 are, you're showing people this like scarecrow of yourself. Um, but we've not done that. And so

01:30:28.340 one thing, regardless of whatever, you know, warnings we've had, um, we've always been very

01:30:35.840 genuine, exactly who we are in any given moment. And, uh, and we've allowed things I think to,

01:30:42.140 to change us, um, as we've gone, but, um, Vicki, we're, we're coming up on the hour and a half mark.

01:30:48.620 And I wanted to ask you a couple more questions in, in, in regards to dreams. Um, this might be for my

01:30:54.040 own, uh, understanding, but you know, you get a lot of things and, um, and not all of them feel

01:31:02.500 as important or as urgent in their warnings as other dreams or other visions potentially.

01:31:09.640 And I wonder if you have any advice or anything that you've gathered over the years on how to parse

01:31:15.940 these things out, how to categorize them, what is important. You know, when I tell you that I have a

01:31:22.160 dream about what seems to be the adversary and, and, and an understanding, a deeper understanding

01:31:27.560 of sharing in that spirit, that one seems right on the money for me. I don't think I have to

01:31:31.460 question that dream very much because the fruit that it bears is, is good. Right. But there's so

01:31:36.980 many other things that are like confusing and feel important, but feel cloudy. How do you go about

01:31:43.640 parsing these things out, making sense of them? Yeah. Oh, it's so mysterious. There's so many layers.

01:31:49.340 And even, you know, if you look in the scriptures, there were a lot of prophets who dream dreams and

01:31:55.760 they documented the dreams and they had no idea what they were talking about. And some of them

01:32:00.380 didn't even live to see the fulfillment. And then you've got other prophets, you know, like Isaiah,

01:32:04.820 Jeremiah, Ezekiel, where they, they're called, depending on what phrase you learned, they're called

01:32:11.060 already not yet prophecies or near far prophecies. And what it means is all of the prophecies in

01:32:19.220 those books had an immediate fulfillment. You know, the diaspora, for example, you know, like

01:32:25.980 Jeremiah talked about the two dispersions to Babylon and that already happened. But every verse,

01:32:33.060 Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, especially, they all have been fulfilled, but they're all going to be

01:32:43.920 fulfilled to the letter a second time when Jesus comes back. Right. So you've got these layers.

01:32:50.200 And so you have, you got guys like Jeremiah, where it's like, okay, I got a prophecy that we were going

01:32:55.200 to be, you know, hauled into Babylon and we got hauled into Babylon. So my prophecy came true and 0.98

01:32:59.840 it's all done. But Jeremiah, long after he died, he has no idea this is all going to happen again.

01:33:04.060 He, like a lot of these guys had no idea the depth of what they were writing or the layers of what they

01:33:09.420 were writing. And so like us, sometimes we have to realize like Daniel, when Daniel had all those

01:33:17.240 dreams and visions, he was physically ill. He was disturbed by that stuff. Poor John, oh my gosh,

01:33:27.620 on Patmos, he's seeing the heavens open and Jesus like a lamb slain on the throne and he's dropping

01:33:33.340 over like a dead man. I mean, these guys were not equipped. Even Peter, he had no idea what this

01:33:41.060 vision of the sheep meant. I'm not, he took it literally, you know, oh, I'm not eating a ham

01:33:46.500 sandwich. And Jesus is like, this has nothing to do with food. All you have to do is read the rest of

01:33:51.400 the chapter to realize that that vision had nothing to do with food. It had to do with this idea that

01:33:58.940 abominable people who were not part of the 12 tribes, they were not chosen. These pagan blood 1.00

01:34:08.480 drinking, child sacrificing pagans could now come into the kingdom of Yeshua. Are you kidding me? Like, 0.51

01:34:16.080 do you know how offensive that was to everyone at that time? And so, but people just look at it and

01:34:23.820 they, they, they reduce that whole entire mystery of the gospel being revealed for the first time

01:34:30.000 in all of human history. Salvation is open to the 70 nations of Nimrod's day. And we reduce that down 0.96

01:34:38.740 to whether or not we can eat a ham sandwich or not. It's so ridiculous. Like that's how simple-minded 0.98

01:34:42.800 we are. So with dreams, what is just a normal defragging of the brain processing stress and

01:34:53.060 what is perhaps a prophetic dream or a dream of the Lord? Um, and if it is prophetic, is it, is it for

01:35:01.060 me? Is it immediate? Is it something in the future? I have a couple dreams, two or three dreams that I've

01:35:06.760 had in my lifetime that I absolutely know have some sort of profound meaning. And to this day, I still have

01:35:12.240 no idea what they mean. And, um, I don't know if I talked to you guys about this before I call those my swing

01:35:18.060 away Meryl dreams, um, from the way of categorizing, isn't it? Isn't it? Um, I have no idea what this

01:35:25.760 means, but when the crap hits the fan and the alien is in front of me and there's a baseball bat behind 0.97

01:35:30.500 me, I'm going to know what that dream means. And so I don't need to know it now. Um, so there's that. 0.98

01:35:34.800 And then there are, you know, these astral dreams where you might not realize it, but

01:35:44.560 I've noticed that the official narrative on sleep paralysis online is starting to shift.

01:35:52.900 They used to just say like, Oh, it's this or that, or you ate the cosmic pizza before you went to bed.

01:35:57.720 Great deal because of, uh, because of your work, Vicki, I would say you've contributed to that

01:36:02.420 pretty substantially. Well, what's awesome is now they're saying that sleep paralysis,

01:36:09.980 in fact, this isn't new. They just haven't told you this. They say it begins in the REM cycle,

01:36:17.960 which is what I've been telling people. It starts in the dream. Like when you wake up in your bedroom

01:36:23.100 and you can't move, that's the tail end of a much longer experience that you may or may not

01:36:27.340 remember. And, and so, um, if that is the case for you, that dream is something different. You are

01:36:36.920 being pulled out of your body into the astral realm. And so that dream, um, it's not just little

01:36:46.340 fragments of your, of your imagination or your brain defragging the hard drive at night and stuff.

01:36:51.300 And especially if you have access to your higher reasoning in your dreams, um, if you have a whole

01:36:59.160 thought process and you're thinking through things and you have that ability to operate on that grid

01:37:04.300 of deception, we're talking about, that's an indication that your dorsolateral prefrontal cortex

01:37:09.500 is switched on. And if it's switched on, you're awake because that shuts down in an REM cycle that,

01:37:15.680 that that's why we wake up rested because that higher functioning stuff gets to sleep for the night.

01:37:20.040 So if you wake up exhausted and all throughout your dreams, you've been reasoning and like,

01:37:25.620 I got to get away from this or, Hey, this might be, um, I might be in danger and in the name of

01:37:30.060 Jesus, wake me up. If you're, if you're using that kind of reasoning, you're not asleep. You, you,

01:37:37.240 you have access to that prefrontal cortex. You're awake because that shuts down in REM. And so

01:37:42.160 that's the stuff that my research primarily focuses on that state where we have to understand

01:37:47.720 what's a dream and what is astral, because in the astral you're encountering real beings and the

01:37:56.600 things that you're saying might be oaths or vows or agreements. Okay. And so I will give you an

01:38:04.580 example. Very recently, I came upon some additional information about my bloodline. I know that I'm,

01:38:12.760 I'm of a direct descendant of a very bad Royal bloodline. And I've, I've known that for a very

01:38:18.460 long time. Um, but in talking to a survivor, I, um, was shown that that bloodline was actually

01:38:26.040 birthed out of another bloodline from a thousand years prior. That was even worse than the one I

01:38:31.480 knew I was part of. So I sort of realized like, Oh man, deeper down the rabbit hole. So I spent,

01:38:37.220 um, hours, um, hours one afternoon renouncing all of that stuff. And I was praying and I was doing,

01:38:46.560 um, warfare. I have my guitar. I was, I was singing Psalms and I was calling down the hosts of heaven to

01:38:56.420 surround me. I was doing like song of Solomon prayers. Um, song of Solomon, huge. That's a whole

01:39:03.860 show right there. Um, I believe that song of Solomon is a warfare manual buried in the subtext

01:39:12.960 of a love poem. Um, there is amazing implications even about the dream world and the Pachad, the

01:39:20.900 terror by night, amazing book. It's, it's, it's too huge even going to now, but we were, we were just

01:39:27.800 looking at, uh, what is it? Uh, Fleetwood Mac and bands like that and how their songs are riddled with

01:39:36.840 like their love songs, but their love songs to, or written by the fallen or these other entities.

01:39:45.060 Yes. So I wonder if that is also a love song, but riddled with like a war manuscript because

01:39:51.440 there's something going on with that lady top aside on that, um, Rhiannon, which is one of her 1.00

01:39:56.580 hit songs. I happen to have the tab open in front of me. So I just want to say it, um, is apparently

01:40:02.360 it's, it's her, uh, stage persona, which is fascinating, but it's also a, you know, a Welsh

01:40:09.440 goddess. So there you go. I was kind of going through it yesterday. Like there's something else

01:40:16.000 really going on here with, um, with, uh, uh, Stevie Nicks for sure. And so it's just another

01:40:22.080 little piece. Yes. I want to say a little bit more about Song of Solomon, but I'm just to finish

01:40:27.660 up this, I spent, um, hours renouncing this stuff. And, um, after I was done, I immediately

01:40:38.060 fell asleep hard. It was like three 30 in the afternoon and I didn't wake up till the next day.

01:40:43.280 Like I fell asleep hard. And while I was asleep, I had a dream. And again, if we're not operating on

01:40:53.860 this grid of deception, we'll just think like, Oh, I'm just defragging or I'm dreaming about stress

01:40:58.160 or whatever in the dream. I was alone in a grocery store and I stole a thing of French vanilla coffee

01:41:07.380 creamer. And I'm walking out the door and I get busted and I get pulled into this back room in

01:41:13.800 the store. And there's a security guard kind of like cop guy. And then the owner of the store

01:41:18.340 and I'm getting interrogated. And I'm, I have all these emotions. I'm terrified. I have shame. I have

01:41:23.800 guilt. I'm, and I'm thinking, what, what were you thinking? Are you insane? Like it's five bucks. You

01:41:29.960 could have just bought it. And what, what were you thinking? So I'm, I'm freaking out and I'm begging for

01:41:35.340 mercy. And so finally they say, well, it's your first offense. So we're going to let you off the

01:41:39.560 hook. I'm like, okay, thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh. I'm so relieved. I'm so relieved.

01:41:42.960 So I walk out of that room with the weight of the world off of my shoulders. And now I'm alone in

01:41:48.420 this, in this grocery store again. And I steal it again. Couldn't resist. What? And what was so weird,

01:41:59.400 you guys is that when I took it, when the thought came into my head, like, just take

01:42:04.220 it again from the thought in my head to taking it again, this euphoric exhilaration came over

01:42:11.900 me like, Hey, yeah. And as soon as I get out the door, I'm like, Oh crap. Well crap. And 0.94

01:42:20.840 I'm literally thinking, and again, I had so much access to my, my higher reasoning. I'm thinking,

01:42:27.780 okay, I'm going to blame it on this person. And I'm starting to develop lies and ways that I can

01:42:34.720 like get out of it. And then I'm thinking, well, wait, they caught me the first time because it was

01:42:39.140 on security camera. So they're going to get all this on security camera. And I realized I was doomed.

01:42:43.420 So I walk home and I get into the house and my mom who's passed away in real life, there's another

01:42:49.560 glitch. There's another giveaway, right? Yeah. I said, okay, the only way I can cope with this is to just

01:42:57.220 confess and get it over with. And they're going to throw me in prison and all that. Why in the

01:43:01.980 dream, I thought I was going to be in prison the rest of my life for stealing coffee creamer, but

01:43:05.180 that whatever. So, um, I tell my mom, I stole it and, uh, you know, and my mom just says, Nick, why?

01:43:16.380 Why? Why'd you do that? And I said, my whole life, all I've known is anxiety and terror and I can't let

01:43:28.500 it go. So I woke up the next day and I remembered this dream and I was like, okay, better safe than

01:43:36.840 sorry. And I said, father, if that wasn't just a dream, if I was in some astral realm, if I actually

01:43:44.000 spoke out loud in some sort of real dimensional space to people listening, um, that I was receiving,

01:43:54.200 uh, an agreement to have anxiety and fear my whole life. Cause I can't cope without it. I reject that.

01:44:03.680 May those words fall to the ground. Um, Jesus, as my bridegroom, father, as my father in heaven,

01:44:11.460 advocate on my behalf and disavow me of these things that I said in the name of Jesus. And then

01:44:16.840 I did one better and I got my dad and my dad as, as my, you know, physical on this realm umbrella

01:44:24.660 of protection, will you pray? And he prayed against it, you know, on behalf of my daughter, I disavow her

01:44:30.040 of this, whatever. I'm always about the overkill guys, because I've been bothered with this stuff

01:44:33.860 my whole life and I'm just better safe than sorry. There you go. But all that to say that if we just

01:44:40.080 think everything's a dream, well, now I'm going to make it even more complicated guys. We can wake up

01:44:46.060 and have full blown memory of our dreams detailed down to the sight, sound, smell, all the senses.

01:44:52.880 We can write it in our little dream journal. It can be a good dream. It can be a bad dream.

01:44:58.280 What if that was just a screen memory? Right. Right. What if we wake up and that's what we

01:45:06.000 remember, but what if that was a screen memory and what really happened when we were asleep and

01:45:13.080 where we really were and what we were really doing and who we were really talking to is nowhere left in

01:45:18.740 our conscious mind, because this is what happens with the UAP abductees. Right. And I do think that

01:45:24.140 there is a lot of that same technology and the screen memories going on with sleep paralysis and

01:45:29.140 astral abductee. So when we take everything at face value, and this is where they really play on 0.86

01:45:37.560 the intelligence of these targeted individuals. If you've had these sleep paralysis and these astral

01:45:44.840 experiences your entire life, a lot of times people that are targeted, they're very, they're

01:45:53.400 empaths. They're very creative. They usually have very high IQs that may or may not play out in the

01:46:00.460 grades they get in school. I'm talking about a high intelligence quotient on discernment and other

01:46:07.140 things like that. So unfortunately what happens with a lot of us, because we do have high dream recall

01:46:12.700 and we are often lucid during these dreams. So we, we come back remembering every detail. So what ends up

01:46:18.620 happening is we start to have a high level of confidence in our dream recall. So if all we're recalling

01:46:28.820 is a screen memory, they still got us. Gotcha. Gotcha. I, something like, I'm not, I don't think we,

01:46:38.700 should we go deeper than like, cause there is that, uh, I don't know that now you're talking

01:46:43.680 about hypnosis to get to this regress dream. And that's, which is tricky, right? Not something I'd

01:46:49.180 like to do. I don't want to do that. Uh, but I mean, well, something changed for me. I don't know.

01:46:55.620 I guess it would have been a year ago where all of a sudden I became able and consistently still

01:47:01.780 to this day. I, there's been two dreams within a week. Wait, um, uh, geez, I'm having trouble

01:47:10.440 remembering the other one, but two, I believe two dreams within a week that I have called on. Oh,

01:47:15.120 I remember the other one, uh, the name of Jesus Christ, like in an elongated process. And it's the

01:47:20.360 last thing I do before I wake up. So I feel like, you know, he's always kind of sticking it out for me

01:47:24.520 and waking me up. But, um, something changed about a year ago where that started happening.

01:47:29.120 And there was three entities that I dealt with like back to back to back top. You remember these

01:47:33.540 dreams, right? So one of them was, uh, I, I think the first one that happened was I had a, a, a

01:47:39.880 lingering memory when I woke up from the dream that I was just in of this being made of light.

01:47:46.260 And, um, and I was in a sort of a state of paralysis and I ended up, um, first I was,

01:47:53.080 I remember panicking and then I remember calling on Jesus and, and, um, and then getting out of the

01:47:58.060 paralysis and then realizing that it worked and then mocking this thing to its face, like laughing

01:48:01.980 at its face and then waking up. Um, and then there was another one where I was in sort of a,

01:48:09.280 I think like a haunted house kind of a scenario is an old mansion. And this thing is a skinny black 1.00

01:48:15.520 demon, um, with huge horns, but it was like, otherwise like smooth and shiny and, and, and thin,

01:48:22.920 you know, but either way, um, and I am chasing that thing through this house, rebuking it in the

01:48:30.320 name of Jesus. And it's running from me. And then the third one is there's a crone, like an old hag. 0.99

01:48:36.180 I'm, I'm sat with two people. Um, you know, it's nighttime, I think. And they're in a car.

01:48:43.140 It looked like we were working on the car and all of a sudden they looked over and they're struck with

01:48:47.620 horror. And there's this crone standing by the fire. And it is, uh, uh, it's like horrifying.

01:48:55.280 It doesn't want me to look at it. And, but I'm like desperately trying to look at it. You know,

01:49:00.080 how in paralysis, like in your dreams is a huge physical struggle because your body is locked up.

01:49:06.000 Right. So I think it was kind of that. And I'm looking at this thing, but it doesn't want me to

01:49:10.120 look at it. But I know that if I look away, it's going to pop up in my face when I do look back,

01:49:16.140 you know, whatever. And it's so, there's so much fear that this thing is projecting. That's what I

01:49:21.340 feel. It's projecting it outwardly from itself that all of my vision is vibrating. And these guys

01:49:29.080 are locked in fear. And so everything is about painting this, this visage of fear for me. And,

01:49:35.480 um, and I, I do look away and then I open my eyes back up. Like I anticipated, she's popped up in my

01:49:43.400 face and I get furious and I stand up and I start feeding this thing uppercuts. And it's like doing

01:49:51.640 this kind of, um, teeter totter back and forth. But what ends up happening is I feel it on my knuckles

01:49:57.240 that this thing is made of wood. It's like, it's not real in any meaningful way. And then once again,

01:50:03.760 I start rebuking it in the name of Jesus Christ. And I wake up. Um, and the two that happened recently,

01:50:09.920 one, uh, it's similar to your dream, Vicky, where I, I had, um, I didn't steal anything. I killed a

01:50:15.600 man. Uh, I shot him and I could see that the police were in, you know, interrogating my neighbors 0.97

01:50:23.480 trying to find me. And I start, it's starting this chase sequence where it's horrifying. I mean,

01:50:29.320 I feel the ramifications of doing something that's going to land me in prison for the rest of my life.

01:50:34.260 Very similar to what you're describing. And all the emotions are there and I am running and running

01:50:39.020 through this, like what eventually becomes a fun house, interestingly enough to try to escape from

01:50:43.520 these, these police. And then all of a sudden I finally come to a place where it just dawns on me

01:50:49.320 and I realize I, I, and I, and I call on Jesus Christ to save me. Boom. I wake up and the one that

01:50:56.760 just happened, I'm invited to some sort of mansion and I'm a house guest. And I, uh, I, I go up for

01:51:05.020 the night to like retire to my room and, and I suddenly start doing research and I have my phone

01:51:11.960 out and I'm realizing that wherever I am has some connection to the grays and that this was a setup 0.99

01:51:19.580 and this was a trap. And I pull out my pistol and I'm super pumped to have my pistol. And I have that

01:51:26.960 realization of like, okay, that's really good that I have this. But then right afterwards I realize

01:51:31.800 and I, and I start, this one's a little bit different. I specifically start pleading the

01:51:36.520 blood of Christ over myself and whoever's with me, who I think is my wife. Um, and, and for Jesus to

01:51:43.820 protect me and then boom, I wake up. So something has changed dramatically for me in my dreamscape

01:51:49.820 where I'm like consistently calling on the name of Jesus in my dreams and, and waking up from these

01:51:55.820 experiences. Okay. There's so many things you said. Oh my gosh. How, how many hours do we have left?

01:52:03.340 I know as long as you, as long as you have. Okay. Okay. All right. So I can't believe that you said

01:52:10.860 that your eyes, like everything was vibrating. So here's, here's a fun fact guys, because I'm,

01:52:18.000 I'm not stripping the spiritual out of this because this is obviously very spiritual,

01:52:21.560 but people have to understand that we're body, soul, mind, and spirit. We don't,

01:52:26.780 we can't compartmentalize those things when we're asleep. And even though these are spiritual

01:52:32.140 encounters, it doesn't mean our physiology is erased from the equation or that technology is erased from

01:52:40.300 the equation. And a lot of times there's things all at play. This is very interesting.

01:52:44.620 There was a man who, who worked in some office and he worked late hours alone at night. And there was

01:52:54.640 all sorts of rumors around this building. I can't remember the guy's name. Um, it's online. He, um,

01:53:03.360 everybody thought that this place was haunted because the people that worked after hours, um,

01:53:08.440 they would get very oppressive, paranoid, scared, like I'm afraid to be here, something here kind of

01:53:15.420 feelings. And some of them would see like shadow entities and then they'd turn and they would be

01:53:20.880 gone. So this guy was working one night and he was experiencing some of the same things.

01:53:26.160 Long story short, he discovered that if there is something in your environment that is buzzing

01:53:35.040 beneath four Hertz, I think something like that frequency. Um, he tied it to, there was a, there

01:53:45.760 was a fan, like a lot of these people had fans on their desk and the fan was a very low frequency fan.

01:53:53.060 So he turned the fan off and realized that it was the fan, the frequency that was creating these

01:54:01.420 feelings and, and sightings. No, I haven't slept without a fan since I was a child.

01:54:09.260 Well, and maybe you've got one that is, you know, operates at six Hertz. I don't know, but here's the

01:54:15.520 deal. The reason why the people were seeing the shadows was because when we're in the presence of

01:54:25.000 something that's buzzing beneath four Hertz, our eyeballs are vibrating.

01:54:32.220 Oh, interesting.

01:54:33.960 That's a, this is the binaural beat stuff. This is like, they create, uh, two different frequencies

01:54:39.840 and the difference between the frequencies is usually four Hertz and that, well, again, so whether,

01:54:45.520 whether it's just a physical manifestation of your eyeballs vibrating, or if you are, uh, creating

01:54:51.680 the atmosphere in which these things are allowed to do, because that now we're talking about CE5.

01:54:58.260 Yes. Um, yeah, absolutely.

01:54:59.980 What the hell are you doing in your bedroom, David?

01:55:02.260 Dude, I don't, well, I mean, I, you know, I'm accidentally binaural beating myself, uh, into 0.98

01:55:07.740 careful, careful, binaural beat down into the astral realm. Dude. I mean, that's interesting because I,

01:55:16.500 I haven't been able to sleep. I have a new fan and I, maybe this one's a little bit better. Um,

01:55:21.020 but I haven't been able to sleep without one for a long time. It would strike me as significant

01:55:25.640 that something might want me to have a dependency on that. Yeah. I, I don't know. It, it's fascinating.

01:55:32.440 And, and I've done a lot of work to, um, research me, um, on that, on that binaural beat stuff,

01:55:38.100 that brain entrainment, um, training your brain to hum at frequencies that God didn't create it to

01:55:47.180 hum at that is CE5 until close encounter of the fifth kind. You're no longer being abducted.

01:55:53.520 You're saying, come and get me. That's all that means.

01:55:55.640 By the way, the, the, the, we were doing an episode on that yesterday and the amount of like

01:55:59.900 a crossover between like the CE5 app and sure, like you can call in orbs and you look at that,

01:56:05.760 but also then sometimes there's big foot encounters. There's also like sleep paralysis,

01:56:09.540 alien abduction phenomenon, poltergeist activity, all that stuff derives from

01:56:13.540 this binaural beat experience. So yeah, there's a, something, man, that's a,

01:56:18.560 just doing it to yourself accidentally. Very cool. David, that explains a lot. If that,

01:56:23.400 imagine that was the case. I was like, yeah, you've been inundated by spooky things for as long as you

01:56:28.280 could remember because you've slept with a fan for as long. I would be so upset. Yeah. It it's

01:56:33.100 interesting guys. I, I had a, um, really nasty astral dream about three years ago. And when I woke up,

01:56:42.200 I was like, was that an out of body experience? Did that really happen? Like, and the entity that

01:56:48.320 showed up was a guy that kind of looked like the brawny paper towel guy. He was just like this dude

01:56:54.480 in a flannel shirt with like the red beard, you know, and interesting, but he was mean looking like

01:56:59.580 he's stern looking. It's like, clean up that mess. Use the brawny. Exactly. 1.00

01:57:08.800 That, you know, what's funny is they're, they're starting to try to figure out how to advertise

01:57:12.620 in your dreams now, which is a nightmare. I saw an article on that the other day and I'm like,

01:57:16.300 there you go. People have emailed me. It's happening. I don't, ah. People have emailed me.

01:57:20.240 It's happening. That's so terrible. How do you even, Jesus, please protect me. The commercial

01:57:24.740 between your dreams. I, I wanted to say before we, we end that. So as David is on this other side of

01:57:31.520 it, um, just like being inundated with dream, getting a binaural beat downs every night.

01:57:36.800 I, I remembered, uh, binaural beat downs like, cause as the show, as we've done, we've done the show, 0.98

01:57:43.500 David's always like, I had this dream. I had this happen to me, a greasy demon. And I'm just like,

01:57:47.900 none of that. And then I was like, wait a second. They had witches in my house. There was like,

01:57:52.580 you know, a year and a half of spiritual warfare that manifested physically all kinds of,

01:57:57.140 to me, but I just don't see it. I guess I'm busy doing other things.

01:58:02.960 And, uh, I remembered that, uh, when I was younger, uh, so going like one of the first fallouts of the

01:58:10.660 first church that I went to that I didn't want to go to anymore. I was very young, like maybe 12 to

01:58:16.760 15 or something like that. Um, I would have like a lot of dreams and my mom kind of like latched onto

01:58:24.580 that and she'd always want to like hear about these dreams. And some of them were like crazy.

01:58:29.880 It was one that I could remember that, uh, you know, like I was seeing, uh, uh, you know, Palm Sunday

01:58:36.740 or, uh, when, when Jesus walks through with the palms and he's sitting on the donkey, but for some

01:58:41.460 reason I could see that it's not Jesus, it's a different thing on this donkey. I'm having all

01:58:47.580 these dreams. And then my mom is like, well, you got to tell the pastor, you got to talk deal. Let's

01:58:51.660 talk. And I was like, it got to a point where it was like, I don't want to anymore. I don't want

01:58:57.520 them. And for years I don't have dreams. Like, well, I have like, you know, some dreams, but it's almost

01:59:04.920 like I asked for that to stop and it shut off. But did it like, now the question is like what you say,

01:59:12.500 which worries me a lot, Vicki. Thanks. Thank you very much. Um, just because like, I don't remember

01:59:17.360 these things like, or even fringe was telling us like, you know, just cause you don't remember them

01:59:21.260 or you're not aware of them. Like, or did you just ask to be like, you know, I was like, I, I consent,

01:59:27.640 you know, I'm out, I'm out of a fight. So now I'm wondering not good. There there's precedent

01:59:32.400 within the Bible. I mean, I'm, I'm not great at scripture, but I seem to remember that there are

01:59:37.420 times when, you know, uh, someone would ask God to, to stop a thing, you know, when it's like,

01:59:43.200 if there's, if it's too much for you, um, if it really is all consent-based, could that be

01:59:48.660 the same thing for, for God? If he's giving you, you know, gifts of some sort, but the gifts are too

01:59:54.760 much for you to handle. Uh, what if you ask for them to stop? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

02:00:02.400 Okay. So I'll nerd out for a little bit there. They call this thin boundary and thick boundary

02:00:11.600 dreaming. And this was based upon a questionnaire that a psychologist came up with. He's now passed

02:00:16.800 away. And then they, it's a questionnaire of all the, the, that they gave before a sleep study with

02:00:23.080 like 90 participants or something back in the nineties. And, um, so thin boundary dreamers are

02:00:30.560 people who there's a very thin wall between their waking and their dreaming. So when they wake up,

02:00:36.160 they remember a lot of their dreams. They remember a lot of the details. Thick boundary means there's,

02:00:40.460 there's this big wall of separation. And so when they wake up, they don't tend to remember anything,

02:00:46.400 which equates in most people's minds to, I don't dream. Right. Everybody does dream. It's whether you

02:00:52.620 remember them or not. And what it really comes down to is the people that remember the most are the

02:01:00.220 people that care about it. They're interested. They're looking for some sort of message, but then

02:01:07.260 you've got, you know, the people over here, they're left-brained, they're Navy SEALs, that they're

02:01:12.300 logical, that like they're, they don't have a lot of room for silly supernatural stuff. They're not

02:01:17.260 interested in their dreams. I got things to do. I need my sleep. And, you know, and there's not a right

02:01:21.740 or a wrong because even if you remember everything, like I said, it could be screen memories. It could

02:01:28.460 be some sort of prophetic thing that makes no sense to you. Sometimes having all the information just

02:01:33.640 makes people more sidetracked or more confusing. And you can get freedom from things, whether you

02:01:39.420 remember it or not, you can pray and say, father in heaven, if I ever made an oath or an agreement or

02:01:44.340 a vow or a promise or signed a contract in, in the heavenly realms, in my sleep, in the name of Jesus,

02:01:49.720 disavow me, you don't have to remember. So it's the information may or may not ultimately be

02:01:57.260 valuable because you can be healed of it without every little detail. So if you're a thick boundary

02:02:05.220 dreamer, you, you are still dreaming. You just don't remember it. And I do occasionally get comments

02:02:11.340 on social media and I don't usually comment back because I'm not trying to be divisive and I don't

02:02:15.400 want to scare people. And I also don't feel that it's my job to reveal things to people. I believe

02:02:21.160 it's the Holy Spirit's job to do that. You don't go up to people and go, oh, you're, you're, you're,

02:02:26.280 you're a survivor of ritual abuse. Like, cause if it's not the right time, you're going to freak those

02:02:30.420 people out. And so, but I do get a lot of people saying, I don't have to worry about any of this

02:02:34.440 stuff. I don't dream. And it's like, well, you know, ignorance is bliss. Right. But, um,

02:02:39.340 the fact is I, I know that there are times when I'm having nightmares or sleep paralysis

02:02:46.540 and I wake up and I have no memory of it because I travel a lot. And a lot of times I have my dad

02:02:52.280 with me. And so on those nights I'll be in, you know, we're in a hotel room and there have been

02:02:58.280 numerous occasions where my dad has woke up and had to pray over me because I was very clearly like

02:03:04.080 calling the name of Jesus out and fearful and, and he'll pray over me. And then he says, you,

02:03:09.300 you just take a deep breath and then you roll over and you start sleeping soundly. And so

02:03:15.140 the next morning, I don't have a memory of it. I don't remember having a bad dream

02:03:19.740 and I have really good dream recall. And so they're, if they're getting ones over on,

02:03:24.820 on those of us that are thin boundary, they're certainly getting over on the people with the 0.67

02:03:28.740 thick boundary. But what I try to tell people so that it, they don't get totally freaked out.

02:03:34.080 Is, oh my gosh, I've never remembered a dream in my whole life. And now you're telling me that I

02:03:38.920 could have all these demonic attachments. Well, no, if you're a targeted individual,

02:03:43.860 you know it because there's going to be way more signs than just your dreams. There's going to be a

02:03:48.880 lot of other things going on. And so if, if everything that we're talking about is completely

02:03:55.620 outside of your purview of personal experience, I wouldn't be too worried about it.

02:03:59.940 Um, there, there's a lot of other things involved. Most targeted individuals where it starts around

02:04:06.020 three years old, there's sleepwalking, there's nosebleeds, there's anxiety, there's depression.

02:04:12.180 There's a lot of times there's trauma. Um, you're almost assuredly from a, from a bloodline,

02:04:19.440 whether you realize it or not. Um, so it's not just about whether you have bad dreams or you don't,

02:04:26.200 or whether you remember them or you don't. So if none of this applies, don't take something on you

02:04:31.580 that you don't need to take on you. Like, oh no, I don't remember my dreams. And this could all be

02:04:35.560 happening to me. You would have gotten other clues by now that something is amiss.

02:04:40.140 So if it does apply, then what, what do you do? So if it does apply, if I was someone who has no

02:04:47.420 memory of my dreams whatsoever, and I've noticed even as I get older, I have less and less of a

02:04:52.420 recall. And, um, Raven, like you mentioned earlier, we most likely will remember the dream

02:05:00.500 that was the last dream we had upon waking. And so if you end up waking up a couple times in the

02:05:06.880 middle of the night, you might remember more of them. Um, but if you have no memory, but there's

02:05:13.600 other things going on where you're starting to think something's weird. Um, look, we all wake up

02:05:19.680 tired. We wake up stressed out. We wake up dreading our work day and the meeting with the boss and all

02:05:25.260 this stuff. So, um, but if you're constantly waking up, absolutely drained of all energy, exhausted to

02:05:32.220 the point where, Hey, I slept eight, nine hours and I feel like I've been drugged or in you're horribly

02:05:38.980 depressed or anxious, and there's no thing in your real life that that is attaching to. Um, if

02:05:47.300 I'm, I'm trying to think of some of the other like dead giveaways, but anyway, what I do, because like

02:05:56.700 I said, I'm starting to not even have a lot of confidence in the dreams that I do remember,

02:06:02.060 because I think in some cases, like the dream I just told you about with the, with the coffee creamer,

02:06:09.040 um, that I remembered and I took it face value, but this is a whole nother show guy, guys, the, um,

02:06:18.260 the mall world dreams, the simulation dreams, the back rooms dreams. Um, um, I perked up, uh, Raven,

02:06:25.940 when you talked about the mansion, because the man, the mansion is part of the mall world.

02:06:31.020 The amusement park is part of the mall world. So these dreams aren't always demonic or scary or

02:06:39.060 nightmary. They're just weird. Like you're going through it thinking like, this is just off. And,

02:06:46.700 and the four things to look for in those dreams are people believe that they're lost.

02:06:53.480 They believe they're being chased, whether they can see who's chasing them or not.

02:06:58.760 They believe they're being observed or tested in some way, or they believe they're on an assignment

02:07:03.800 and they may or may not know what that assignment is. As soon as you figure it out, as soon as you say,

02:07:11.560 Oh crap, I'm in the mall world. That dream will shift to, and you'll start over. Um, as soon as you

02:07:17.900 say, in the name of Jesus, get out, you'll wake up as soon as you're onto them, you'll wake up or

02:07:23.440 it'll shift to another dream where you have to kind of start all over and figure out again, like,

02:07:29.300 Oh crap, I'm still here. Sometimes when those things happen to, I don't, I can't go right back

02:07:33.800 to sleep. Cause I can feel intrinsically that like, I'm going to get sucked back into there.

02:07:38.480 So I have to like stay up for a little bit. I'll scroll through my phone or whatever. Um, but yeah,

02:07:43.540 like the, the, some of the ones I described to you where I was like running and also the same one

02:07:47.700 with the, uh, seeing the alien graze on the phone and then calling on Christ. Like I knew I stayed up

02:07:53.060 for like a little bit and went through my phone. Cause I was like, I can feel somehow I know I'll go

02:07:57.180 back there. I don't want to go back there. Yes, absolutely. So I think whether you remember your

02:08:03.520 dreams or you don't be sober minded, be vigilant, your adversary, the devil is a prowling lion,

02:08:10.120 seeking someone to devour. Um, lions primarily do their hunting at night. So Christians, all the 1.00

02:08:17.060 stuff in the Bible about spiritual warfare, um, that doesn't just operate during the 12 hours of

02:08:23.820 daylight. They're operating 24 seven. When you're asleep, there's still an opportunity for spiritual

02:08:29.560 warfare. And so part of being sober minded and vigilant is praying before you go to bed,

02:08:35.460 very specific prayers, praying when you wake up. Now I tend to, when I go to bed, I don't focus on

02:08:42.240 all the things I don't want to have happen because you can actually, you know, if you're going to bed

02:08:48.000 with all of these fears of what might happen when you go to sleep, it's probably not going to benefit

02:08:52.220 you. So when I, when I go to bed at night, I focus on what I do want to have happen. And so I've

02:08:57.760 turned, um, a portion of the latter half of song of Solomon chapter three into a prayer. And I say,

02:09:04.820 um, Jesus, um, I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine. Put me in the King's palanquin,

02:09:11.760 surround me with 60 mighty men girded with swords who are ready for war to protect me from the terrors

02:09:19.320 of the night in the name of Jesus. And, and then I say within that palanquin, um, Jesus, I want to,

02:09:26.140 I want to be within the walls of that, that, that Koopa or that, that, you know, container.

02:09:35.900 I want to be with you. I want to, you know, and, and I don't mean astral projection guys,

02:09:40.460 and I don't mean Jesus shows up every night and all this kind of stuff. I just mean that within that

02:09:45.800 palanquin, it doesn't even have to be a dream. What it means is when I hit an REM state,

02:09:51.580 I want my dorsolateral prefrontal cortex to shut down and get its rest. I, I want the forces

02:09:59.560 of God on the outside of, of this dream chamber to be doing all of the heavy lifting for me and

02:10:06.960 protecting me because I need to get my rest. And, and so, um, if, if your prefrontal cortex is

02:10:17.060 flipping on all throughout the night because it's sensing danger and then you're having to do this

02:10:22.480 warfare, that's great. Like, that's awesome that you will all of a sudden become aware like, oh crap, 0.52

02:10:27.480 I'm in trouble in the name of Jesus. But when you're doing that numerous times a night, or you're

02:10:32.100 doing it numerous times a week and your sleep is getting interrupted and it's exhausting and you're

02:10:37.240 not getting the sleep that you need. And that's going to have other effects on mental, physical

02:10:42.340 relationships. You know, when you're, when you're sleep deprived, you're, you're mean and you're

02:10:48.260 short with people and you're snapping at people. And so, uh, it's just exhausting. And a lot of people

02:10:54.120 that go through this sort of targeting, it's not even the demonic stuff. It's just the exhaustion

02:10:59.860 of, of the relentless attack on our sleep. So whether you remember the dreams or you don't

02:11:07.240 just learn how to pray warfare prayers before you go to bed, learn when you wake up to just

02:11:13.080 automatically say, uh, father, if I made any agreements, promises, oaths, covenants, contracts,

02:11:20.180 if I did anything in my sleep that was unpleasing to you or that formed an attachment or gave permission

02:11:27.660 to the spirit realm, I pray in the name of Jesus, you would disavow me of that in Jesus name. And

02:11:32.020 doesn't have to be something formulated. Um, you know, you just pray in faith and you, you trust

02:11:38.960 that, that Jesus is taking care of, of the stuff because, um, these, this, this enemy, he doesn't

02:11:45.180 play fair. He doesn't play fair and he banks on our ignorance. And it, even in the things that I'm

02:11:52.840 saying, okay, now you're accountable for this. Cause you've heard me say it. If you walk away saying

02:11:57.700 what a bunch of garbage, I became a Christian, none of these things can touch me. That's fine. 1.00

02:12:03.380 But risk it at your own peril because these things have been around for thousands and thousands and

02:12:07.500 thousands of years. And they got human beings figured out. Cause we're not that hard to figure

02:12:10.760 out. Yeah. Very clever, very sneaky, very deceptive. And they operate in a way I think where it's,

02:12:16.980 uh, best for them. If you don't even think they exist, if you think this is all purely psychological,

02:12:23.500 um, even sometimes if you think your own thoughts or impulses are your own, and they're not something

02:12:29.600 nudging you one way or the other, uh, that works to their advantage immensely, immensely. Um, the,

02:12:36.040 I think it's their first line of defense is, uh, having you believe that these things are

02:12:42.100 machinations of your own mind and that the spiritual realm doesn't exist or has little to do with

02:12:47.800 whatever you're experiencing. If they can operate there, then they really have you. And then anything

02:12:52.440 else beyond that levels of awareness are to your advantage. So, um, Vicki, I want to thank you for

02:12:59.080 your time. Uh, I know we took you all over the place and, uh, I'm glad that we managed to get in

02:13:04.700 this discussion about dreams. I think, uh, I can see just based off of the chat that this is very

02:13:09.540 valuable, valuable to people. Uh, it certainly is to me, um, given all my, my strangeness. And so I

02:13:15.340 think this is going to be something that I like when we make an episode that, that serves people.

02:13:20.000 Um, and I, and I think this one will do just that. So, uh, thank you for coming and hanging out with

02:13:25.420 us again. And, uh, one more time I'll go ahead. It's been a week of, uh, the, what we, what we've

02:13:31.780 needed asked has just like, they're like, well, it's on your show now. Yeah. So go ahead and ask

02:13:36.800 the right questions. Yeah. Awesome. This show is like, uh, you know, it's a tool for us as much as it

02:13:44.100 is, you know, we we're fascinated by this information and we, we want to pursue the truth and a,

02:13:49.060 and a closer relationship with God. And it's like this show, um, for as entertaining, I'm sure as,

02:13:55.180 as it is for many people and as interesting as it is, it's a, it's, it serves us. Um,

02:14:00.240 and I think it does the same for other people. So one more time, Vicki, where can everybody find your

02:14:05.880 work? Yeah. Vicki Joy Anderson, everything, everywhere you can find me is somewhere on that

02:14:11.260 site for pretty much right on the homepage. So, um, if you want to email me, you hit that contact

02:14:17.120 button. If you don't hear back from me in like seven days, it might mean I didn't get the email.

02:14:24.040 So feel free to email me again, but anyway, would love to see, um, any of you in Ohio or Oklahoma or

02:14:31.420 Springfield, Missouri, um, check out the events, but yeah, everything's right there on VickiJoyAnderson.com.

02:14:38.300 And guys, thank you so much for having me on. I love hanging out with you guys. I always feel like I'm,

02:14:44.040 you know, back in high school in my, my brother's room, holding our guitars together and just

02:14:49.360 chatting, which was like one of my favorite memories is was hanging out with my brother

02:14:53.160 and he would show me little things on the guitar and we would just talk. And I always feel that way

02:14:57.460 when I'm with you guys. That's cool. Maybe, maybe we'll jam one day. I play, I play guitar.

02:15:02.900 I'm musically inept, but, uh, I can, I can sit around and enjoy it. Um, yeah, it's always a pleasure

02:15:09.040 talking to you, Vicki. And this isn't going to be the last time we'll have you back soon. Um,

02:15:13.300 awesome. So thank you once again, top, you want to bring us out of here guys? Don't forget to

02:15:17.680 obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.

02:15:20.020 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly

02:15:27.480 telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what

02:15:34.980 there is to see. Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture

02:15:42.880 what they have. What's up guys? Top Lobster here. Um, we're going to leave you with another

02:15:51.560 preview from a old show. This is a episode seven of the book of revelation series by Ed Mabry.

02:15:58.300 I'm pushing this hard because I feel like people should listen to it. If you haven't already,

02:16:02.540 there's like a 25 part series on it. So you scroll up or scroll down in this feed and you'll find it.

02:16:09.180 It's all the book of revelation series. Go check it out. Anyway, here's episode seven.

02:16:12.880 I don't even remember what we spoke about, but I'm sure it's going to be great.

02:16:16.000 Put about 30 minutes here for you guys. See you later.

02:16:18.260 Yes. I'll just break it all down where we've been the last seven. So, you know, we started with,

02:16:22.480 you know, there's just the introduction that this is like a revelation of Jesus Christ. This is God

02:16:26.960 revealing Jesus to Jesus and being, and being written down by the apostle John on the island of

02:16:32.160 Patmos. And he talks and he, and Jesus gives him the outline. He says, you know, write down what,

02:16:37.400 what you have seen, which is a vision, vision of Jesus, write down the things which are,

02:16:41.380 which are the church age, which we're currently in. And then the write down things, which will be

02:16:45.680 after these things are meta Tauta, which is the future. So we, we talked about that. We went through

02:16:50.500 the seven letters of seven churches and how that pertains to, to basically to us, it outlines all

02:16:55.780 of church history in advance all the way up until the current church age, which I think it's the last

02:17:00.280 age, the, the Laodicean age where everyone is just, no one takes a stand. Everyone's just,

02:17:04.760 you know, being comfortable. And, and then we shifted. It said after these things, well, after

02:17:11.020 the church age, now we're in the future and it just seen shifts to, to the heavens. And we see

02:17:16.440 the continuation of a trial that began in the, the book of Daniel. We're going to go back to Daniel

02:17:22.700 heavily today. Cause we're gonna talk about the tribulation today. And that, and so that trial was

02:17:29.280 where the, the bad guys, the evil Elohim, the fallen angels and Satan and all that, they laid

02:17:34.900 out their plan of how they're going to basically take the world, how they're going to usurp the plan

02:17:40.260 of God of Jehovah through these four empires, starting with the Babylonian empire, which Daniel

02:17:45.700 was in at this, and also the, the middle Persian empire, which Daniel was in at the beginning of that

02:17:49.980 one as well, then the Greek empire, and then the final empire, which is the Roman empire. And we

02:17:55.000 talked about how that actually continues to this day. It just, the Roman empire was never

02:17:59.140 conquered. It just transformed from a, from senatorial dictatorship to a theocracy that

02:18:04.980 we call the Vatican. And then God said, okay, that's your plan. Great. Now I'm going to give

02:18:10.400 you my plan. And here, and my plan is to have a, what's called the, who was called the son

02:18:15.160 of man riding on the cloud. God is called, it's the cloud rider. That's how the Israelites 0.68

02:18:20.000 knew him. And so you have a man riding on the cloud. So a man with the authority of God

02:18:24.300 would come and he would inherit the nations. And that would be his, that would be his 0.75

02:18:28.000 inheritance. So the whole principle behind that was you speak something into one realm

02:18:32.600 and it manifests in the other realm. So the evil Elohim spoke their plan. They had to, 0.67

02:18:37.720 it wasn't an option. You have to speak your plan because all of everything that's done

02:18:42.160 is done with words. You know, God created the world with words. Words are extremely powerful.

02:18:46.840 So they gave their plan. And so then, so, and it's going to manifest. We've seen it because

02:18:51.500 again, Daniel only lived during the Babylonian and Medo-Persian empire, but then the Greek empire

02:18:56.880 happened, the Roman empire happened and everything else is going to happen. So it's going to happen.

02:19:00.520 So then God could directly say that I can judge you now. And so they put on a trial and we discover

02:19:07.080 that in, in, in revelation, some secrets that, that God kept, God was kind of playing 3d chess

02:19:13.160 or 4d chess with him. He was saying, okay, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm not

02:19:16.480 going to tell you how. So they didn't know that, you know, in order for the son of man to inherit

02:19:20.840 the world, he had to die. They didn't, they knew he was coming, but they didn't know he had to die.

02:19:24.940 Otherwise it wouldn't have killed them. They say, Hey, let's keep this guy alive. But so,

02:19:29.020 but they didn't, they didn't know that. So they killed him thinking they would get rid of the

02:19:31.940 problem. They just made their problem worse. And they also didn't know that the church would be 0.76

02:19:36.340 the one to once to be the final judges because in book of Daniel, you had thrones set up, but it

02:19:42.160 didn't say anyone was on the thrones. Then when we get to a revelation chapters four and five,

02:19:47.360 we see now that the people on the church are called the 24 elders who sing a song that said that

02:19:51.580 they were redeemed by the blood of the lamb means that they are believers. So believers were are the

02:19:57.420 witnesses and jury in this trial. And those seven letters were telling the church, all of us, how we

02:20:03.840 should interact with the world for our own maximum profitability, but also so that we'd be, we'd have

02:20:09.720 the, the, the right to, to judge them. And, you know, the apostle Paul himself says, Hey, don't,

02:20:15.260 you know, we will judge the angel. We will judge the Elohim. So then, and then last time we talked 0.99

02:20:21.220 about the seven seals. Cause the, there was this, um, this, a scroll in the right hand of, of the

02:20:26.660 father of Jehovah that no one could open. No one was worthy to open it. This is a title deed to the

02:20:31.260 earth, but it turns out that there was one who was worthy of opening it. It was said the lamb who was

02:20:37.060 slain from the, from the foundation of the world, which is Jesus. He, he was worthy to open the seals

02:20:41.920 and he opened those seven seals. We talked about the seven seals last time. And I gave the

02:20:47.340 traditional view, which is that the opening of those seven seals, the first four of which are

02:20:51.160 the four, uh, four horsemen of the apocalypse. And then you have the fifth is the martyrs and the

02:20:56.020 six of the cosmic disturbances, the earthquakes and, um, the, uh, stars falling from heaven.

02:21:02.640 And so the classic view is that that's either the beginning of the tribulation period at the

02:21:06.980 beginning of God's judgments, or it's an overview of the, of all the judgments. I gave an alternative

02:21:13.560 view. I actually think that those four horsemen are not from God. They're actually from Satan.

02:21:19.860 They're from the bad guys. This is a false apocalypse because again, the antichrist is a false

02:21:25.740 Christ. He is a false Messiah. And we're going to have a false Messiah. We got to have a false 0.51

02:21:30.080 apocalypse where, you know, everyone knows that we're due for an apocalypse. Even in the secular

02:21:34.420 world, look at movies and TV shows and books, they're all about the apocalypse. But so they're

02:21:40.000 going to have this false apocalypse that's going to be engineered. And you guys had a guest kind

02:21:43.480 of talking about this in a, in a kind of a different vein saying that I forgot what he,

02:21:48.880 what he called it. But we were in the little season in that, uh, we were going to experience

02:21:55.080 a manufactured apocalypse, which is incredibly compelling and does, uh, sync up pretty nicely

02:22:01.000 with what you've been talking about. So yeah, right. So this is that false, that little

02:22:06.060 season, the false apocalypse. And because they, the bad guys bring it about, they're going to be

02:22:11.380 the ones who solve it and say, Hey, look at us. And then the last part, the sixth seal is when you

02:22:16.080 have the earth opening up and you have the stars of heaven, which is an idiom for the angels, for the

02:22:20.940 Elohim being cast down to earth. So the, the Elohim are all kicked out of the heavens who, because many of 1.00

02:22:26.800 them are still, you know, in the heavenly realm. Now they're kicked out in the heavenly realm. It just

02:22:29.820 means it, it doesn't mean it's, it's where God is. It just means you're in a spiritual realm.

02:22:33.100 So they're kicked out of the spiritual realm and the earth opens up to let the ones who are 1.00

02:22:36.960 imprisoned underneath the earth and in the ocean, the mouse. So basically what's happening is God

02:22:41.680 is putting all of the players on the table because it's time for judgment. But since they know this is

02:22:46.760 coming, my other theory is that this is what project blue beam is all about. They're going to

02:22:51.040 masquerade as our space brothers or our ascended masters. They're going to say, we're your creators

02:22:57.500 and we've come to you during this time of trauma that we created in order to save you from yourselves

02:23:03.020 and Hey, and here's our, here's your new leader. And you know, he's the Antichrist. They won't call

02:23:08.080 him that of course. I mean, we're going to talk about, we'll do a deep dive into the Antichrist

02:23:12.300 coming in a few episodes now, but yeah, that's, that's their plan, but that's not the actual judgment.

02:23:19.120 This is a precursor. I think this happens between the, the first of the three raptures. We talked

02:23:25.200 about the raptures a few episodes ago and, and, but before this happens after that first rapture

02:23:31.420 and it happens before the actual tribulation. So what is the tribulation? Well, that's what we're

02:23:36.720 going to talk about today. You know, Ed, I wanted to bring it back to, I think like the middle episodes

02:23:42.160 that you were talking about, because you brought it to my attention about how important it is to speak

02:23:46.900 like this, uh, to speak something into, you know, not to get like a white girl holistic,

02:23:52.860 speak something into the universe universe and kind of manifest it. Right. And it does sound stupid,

02:23:57.980 but, uh, I think because our culture has made it stupid, but in the end, it's kind of really 0.99

02:24:03.280 important and something behind the scenes that happened with, I guess, me and David, for some 0.82

02:24:08.800 reason last night, I just, uh, I texted him and I said, Hey, um, when did you, he, before I,

02:24:15.300 like we started this show, he had seen, uh, like a palm reader or something like that? Uh, it wasn't

02:24:20.020 a palm reader. I, uh, I was in new Orleans. This is before we started Nephilim death squad 1.00

02:24:24.660 and visited a tarot card, uh, reader. Right. And he had mentioned that to me a long time ago. And I

02:24:31.600 was just like, that's gay. I never really brought it up again. Um, so was the tarot card reader,

02:24:39.220 by the way, he was, he was definitively a gay dude. So just, just not great. 1.00

02:24:42.980 Something, something yesterday kind of like, it was like, yo, text this guy and tell him

02:24:47.460 that he needs to ask God to close any doorways that might've been opened inside of him by doing 0.99

02:24:55.900 this Nephilim shit. And, and he, then he told me later, he was like, I was just talking about my 0.98

02:25:01.080 wife, talking with my wife about this guy. And that he also, you also had the inclination for

02:25:07.640 whatever reason to get baptized. Yeah. It was, it was a really weird day. Uh, uh, it was a weird,

02:25:14.380 it was a really weird day. Yeah. Uh, so Ed, what, one of the things that you've said during the

02:25:19.080 series that really stuck with me was just like, you know, praying is important, but God wants you

02:25:23.860 to talk to him. Right. And so I've been implementing that a lot. And, uh, when I tell you that I have

02:25:31.280 seen, um, I, well, how would you describe it? I've seen the fruits of communicating with God,

02:25:40.980 um, a lot more obviously than I have in the past. It's almost like he's communicating directly back

02:25:45.820 with me. And, um, basically what happened was we had a, uh, we did a show and after the show,

02:25:52.400 I went to go to the pool with my son and, um, I got excited cause I've been working out. So I'm like,

02:25:58.400 I hit a new speed, I'm swimming laps and I'm like, damn, I'm going pretty fast here. So I start 0.74

02:26:02.920 swimming laps aggressively and I get nauseous cause I push myself to the limit cause I'm a psychopath

02:26:06.820 and I go to lay down now. And as I'm laying down, I start talking to God and I'm basically

02:26:11.220 saying, um, and I know this is not the same thing as a baptism, but what I'm, what I'm saying to God

02:26:18.040 is to, um, to clear me of any rights or authority that might be had over me by some sort of, uh, dark

02:26:27.300 entities, um, and to, uh, cleanse me of any iniquities that, uh, you know, that I might have

02:26:34.740 and to fill me with the Holy spirit. And after I'm done saying that, uh, I'm just kind of like

02:26:41.460 having conversation, not really a prayer. I'm just talking. And then I, I jump into the pool,

02:26:45.320 not really a baptism. I know a public pool is not the place. There's like clumps of floating hair

02:26:49.060 and all these things, but, but after I get out of it, um, all these things start happening and we get

02:26:55.680 these really amazing opportunities that show up. And then in conjunction with that, I open

02:27:03.780 an old DM from somebody who never communicated with me, but reached out specifically just to say,

02:27:11.260 have you ever been baptized? And I said, no. Um, this was over a year, almost a year ago. I said,

02:27:18.200 no, uh, maybe when I was a baby, I think, but not like actively as an adult. And they said,

02:27:22.960 you need to get baptized. Um, it acts as a exorcism, but also speaking from their point

02:27:31.760 of view as someone who was a believer getting baptized, bought it to a new level. And I was

02:27:37.940 like, that's fascinating that I would randomly open this, uh, DM. And then in between those two

02:27:44.360 events, I'm walking and talking with my wife and I'm saying, um, wow, we have this new opportunity.

02:27:50.300 It's going to put me in front of a lot of people and it's going to, uh, people are going to feel

02:27:55.260 passionately about it. A lot of people are going to hate us for the position that we take. That is

02:28:00.260 just like the tarot reader in new Orleans said, they said that we're going to find success in our

02:28:05.340 endeavors, but people, there are a great amount of people that will hate us for it. And so I'm

02:28:09.640 talking about these things, right? Baptism, the tarot card reader, I'm asking God to clear me of any

02:28:15.260 inequities. And all of a sudden my cohost DMs me and says, Hey, um, uh, you need to talk to God to

02:28:23.640 close any doorways that these things might have to you. And also when, when did you talk to that

02:28:28.880 tarot card reader? How long ago was that? And I was like, to me, it just seems so clear when I said,

02:28:33.220 like God is speaking back when you, when you talk to God, it's like, here's the path. I always talk to

02:28:38.660 God and I pray to God. And I ask that whatever path that I'm on is the one that he set for me and

02:28:43.300 that my will is alignment with his will. And it's like, he showed me, well, here's the path,

02:28:48.260 but also this is something that you need to do. Uh, and, and then because I, uh, decided that I

02:28:57.380 need to get baptized, I had like some sort of strange spiritual attack last night. I had sleep

02:29:01.540 paralysis for the first time in a long time. The room felt, uh, very dark and, and eerie. Uh, I had

02:29:08.940 a nightmare that I was being tossed around my apartment, uh, in the dark by some unseen force.

02:29:13.900 Very strange. So, um, you know, but it is interesting, Ed, because I, I, when you said

02:29:20.800 that God wants you to speak to him, that prayer is good, but God wants you to speak to him.

02:29:25.480 And I, it's like, as a father that struck me, cause I'm like, of course, like you want

02:29:31.780 your children to speak to you. Right. Exactly. And as soon as I did, I feel like a man, it

02:29:38.040 became, you spend your, your, your time looking around for, in ways that God might be speaking

02:29:42.540 to you. He'll start speaking a lot louder if you start speaking to him. Yeah. And, um, and

02:29:47.380 what happened to you is, is, is because, you know, the, the evil Elohim, they don't like 1.00

02:29:51.040 that. The, the, the demons of, you know, the, the Nephilim spirits, they, they hate 0.99

02:29:54.500 it. Yeah. There's an old saying, uh, not a saying, but something that, that my old mentor,

02:29:58.740 uh, Chuck Missler, who's passed away several years ago, would say, he says, if you don't

02:30:02.520 believe in Satan, just try opposing him for a little while and you will become a believer

02:30:06.200 because if you, as long as like, you're not opposing him, you're fine. He's not going to

02:30:11.040 bother you. But as soon as they sense in the spirit, Oh, this guy's becoming dangerous.

02:30:15.020 He's then they're going to, they're going to come at you because they're trying to intimidate

02:30:18.680 you. Don't let them do it. I mean, you call on the name,

02:30:21.020 you use Jesus. You say Yeshua HaMashiach, whatever you, however you want to say it.

02:30:25.880 And they flee. I think I gave, I sent, um, you know, top that, um, that, that, uh, spiritual

02:30:31.800 warfare, uh, prayer, which is a long, like, you know, five, six pages long, like it's intense.

02:30:37.680 And, you know, I feel in the telegram chat, if anybody wants that, it should still be at

02:30:41.800 the top. So, so yeah, it's long, but it's necessary. I mean, depending on what's going on

02:30:46.980 with you, it's because there's warfare happening and you've got to, you know, you got to stake

02:30:53.700 your claim. You got to just, but you have the authority. I mean, Jesus, one of the things

02:30:57.280 he did, people talk about why did Jesus come? Well, he came to teach us love and, you know,

02:31:02.340 heal and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, sure. But he also came with one of the things people rarely

02:31:07.920 talk about. And by people, I mean, even the Bible teachers, Jesus came to give us authority

02:31:12.980 over the Elohim realm. That is a huge part about it. No one was casting out demons before 0.96

02:31:17.580 Jesus. You won't see that. Serpents and scorpions, right? Right. Exactly. And this astonished the,

02:31:25.320 his disciples and all the followers. They said, well, who is, who is this guy that even the

02:31:29.420 spirits obey him? And he gave, he said, I give you that authority. He said, everything that I do,

02:31:34.340 you will do even greater things. And that's because, you know, there'll be more of us.

02:31:39.040 He, we multiply this. So yeah, you have the authority. That's the bottom line. You have the

02:31:42.760 authority over it. And you speak words, words, spiritual warfare is done with words.

02:31:47.400 And you can, you know, you can speak words over yourself, over your family. And,

02:31:50.620 and they have to wait. We were given, we were given that authority, but very few of us,

02:31:55.540 very few Christians walk in that authority. We're just like, oh, the devil's coming after me. Well,

02:31:59.500 come back, come back after him. You have authority over him. Why are you just,

02:32:02.360 don't be a punching bag. Yeah. I, I just want to say this and then we'll get onto the meat of the episode. 0.56

02:32:08.200 But, um, when I first started the show, uh, well, really when I moved to Florida, uh, so like two

02:32:14.780 years ago now, um, also my trip to new Orleans, which we talked about briefly, um, you know,

02:32:21.900 being a new homeowner, I experienced like a tremendous amount of very clearly, uh, supernatural

02:32:29.720 experiences. And, uh, I'm no stranger to that. You know, I, I just kind of come from, I think my,

02:32:36.420 my grandmother, I, I do believe like thought she was a witch and probably screwed up. You know, 0.65

02:32:42.640 you talk about generational inequity, probably got some of that going on. And, um, but when I came to

02:32:49.600 Florida and I started the show, I started the show because I became convicted in my ideas about,

02:32:56.600 uh, Christ being the way and the biblical lens being the most effective one to see the world

02:33:02.780 through because of supernatural experiences that really hit a peak. And, uh, I started to have

02:33:12.460 a lot of things happen, but was, you know, wielding essentially the name of Christ to make these

02:33:18.920 events stop. And the more the events happen, the more I became vindicated, the more I started to go

02:33:23.680 down this path, then they stopped. And I almost feel like it's because it's like, oh, it's not

02:33:28.200 working. The more things that happen to, you know, that we do to him, the more he moves towards

02:33:33.560 Christ. And so I think it stopped for a second, but it, it was always there. And then I think the

02:33:39.620 decision to get baptized was like almost like a writhing point. Uh, and that's kind of what I was

02:33:44.820 experiencing there. And so, which in my book, it's like, every time they show themselves and I

02:33:49.440 haven't experienced, uh, they're just shooting themselves in the foot because it only vindicates

02:33:53.520 me further. So, uh, you know, I'm going to a Greek Orthodox church this Sunday to start this one

02:33:59.360 around the corner for me to start, uh, the conversation. Cause I don't really attend, um,

02:34:03.960 any, any physical church, but I think it's time to do something, uh, clearly, but, um, all right. 0.99

02:34:10.680 So besides that, let's get into this, uh, the media, besides all that crazy ass shit, 0.97

02:34:15.460 I just don't want the whole thing to be about, uh, my insane, uh, uh, you know, just bizarre 0.97

02:34:20.760 experiences, but no, but it shows you on the right path. I mean, if you, if you weren't a danger,

02:34:24.780 you wouldn't be targeted. Right. Right. That's a, and like I said, you know, a lot of the times

02:34:30.880 we talk to people, um, we did this big episode with, uh, Dave Smith and Clint Russell. And,

02:34:36.860 you know, these are two, uh, almost purely political figures. I would say purely political figures.

02:34:42.180 And we're trying to talk to them about the supernatural realm and, and God. And, uh,

02:34:48.120 it's like trying to talk to, you know, a blind person about color. I really do feel bad for people,

02:34:56.160 um, who don't, it's like, you know, to, to wish an experience on someone is, you know, if you have a

02:35:04.280 negative supernatural experience, they're horrifying. The level of terror associated with them is,

02:35:10.280 you know, it's like bone shaking and, but it grants you, if you can not, uh, deny it,

02:35:21.840 if you can get past that, that, that safety mechanism that the brain deploys to try to

02:35:27.480 make it so that it didn't happen. And that wasn't what it was. And you look for a million different

02:35:31.220 reasons to explain it away. If you can shut that down and look at it for what it really was,

02:35:35.960 it changes the entire way you perceive, you know, this existence for the better dramatically,

02:35:40.740 if you're looking at it through the right lens. And so, uh, you know, for a lot of people, it's

02:35:45.820 like, yeah, even though it's horrifying, I wish it upon you. I wish that one day you, you have an

02:35:51.860 experience where you can see that there is, we are engaged in spiritual warfare. And if you can just

02:35:58.980 see that, then you know, that there are sides and that's the beginning of it. Go ahead.

02:36:03.860 I can tell you every, as the days and weeks go by, I'm more and more amazed when people aren't

02:36:09.560 at least acknowledging the spiritual. I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Christian.

02:36:12.200 They won't be. Most people aren't going to be. We, we know that, but people who deny,

02:36:17.440 deny that there's any kind of spiritual realm, like how can you, at this point, how can you even do

02:36:22.000 that? Whether or not you believe what I believe, at least acknowledge that there's something beyond

02:36:26.420 just Democrats and Republicans. And you know, there's, there's more to life than,

02:36:30.800 than Trump and Biden and whatever else. Not saying that stuff's not important, but it's

02:36:36.220 actually kind of a relief, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. It's like, thank God there's more than this.

02:36:41.480 Right. Actually. Yeah. Cause wow. How depressing would it be if that was all we had were,

02:36:45.720 we were relying on a politician in Washington to save us or whatever, but in, in the people that

02:36:50.540 they're reporting to who control them, who, you know, the bankers who people who control the bankers,

02:36:55.120 they're at the highest levels. We talked about this before they're worshiping these fallen

02:36:59.280 Elohim and who are, who are empowering them, you know, but, and this will be a segue back into

02:37:05.160 revelation. We think we talked about last time at this point in the, in the, in the narrative,

02:37:09.640 there are no more atheists. Once you get to this, the, this, the, those seals, when those are opened

02:37:15.000 up and you have Nephilim on the earth with the, um, the, the, the beast of the earth, the Therion

02:37:18.840 Higantes, who we talked about with the, with the fourth horsemen and all this kind of stuff.

02:37:22.640 No, there's not, there's not going to be any more Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris is there.

02:37:27.680 If they're still alive, I'm like, yes, sorry, our bad. We were wrong. There really is something

02:37:32.280 now they won't believe in the God of the Bible, but they, they will believe in spirit. Everyone

02:37:36.340 will be spiritual at this point. Well, as at this point right now, where we are today,

02:37:40.300 those people have been moved out of the way. Like that Sam Harris type character, almost all of them

02:37:45.860 have been exposed for how stupid they are. That happened with COVID. So most of those atheist players 1.00

02:37:50.520 are off the table already. There's a couple still lingering, lingering around, but I don't think

02:37:55.060 anyone takes them seriously. Yeah, totally. All right. So, um, we're going to talk about the,

02:38:01.740 the, the tribulation. This is kind of the, the meat of the book of revelation. When most people

02:38:06.220 think of revelation, this is what they think about. This is, you know, the, the judgment,

02:38:11.400 God's judgments being poured out, God's wrath, um, you know, the plagues and all these various,

02:38:15.920 you know, rivers and oceans turning to blood and, you know, fire and brimstone and all that.

02:38:21.140 But before we get into the details of it, um, because, you know, this, I think when the, when

02:38:25.640 the seventh seal is opened, this is when it's going to start. Let me just back up. As far as

02:38:31.280 the timing of it, I think that the actual tribulation, this seven year period is going to

02:38:36.560 start right in the midst of what's happening with those seals. And we're going to find out why,

02:38:42.080 because the, the, the start of the tribulation has everything to do with the antichrist, not

02:38:46.640 with Christians or the rapture or anything like that. So what, what is this seven year 0.89

02:38:52.700 tribulation? Well, if you have some people who are listening, who are kind of sticklers

02:38:56.760 for, for details and, and they will tell you what they're, the Bible never calls it the seven

02:39:02.080 year tribulation. And they're right. The term tribulation as for that seven year period is

02:39:07.320 something that Christians call it, but there is, but the tribulation, the word tribulation

02:39:13.500 just means trouble. It means a time of trouble and distress. That's what it generally means.

02:39:17.900 So we've had plenty of periods of trouble and distress. You know, we've had, we've had, you

02:39:21.420 know, we had COVID, we had nine 11, we had, you know, the Vietnam war and world war one and

02:39:25.980 two, those were times of tribulation, but this period is specific. This is a specific period

02:39:31.660 of time that is going to be the worst time in history. Jesus himself said in Matthew 24

02:39:37.400 that there will, this will be a time that is unlike any other time. This there's never

02:39:42.520 been a time of tribulation like this on earth ever. And it will be the last period of time.

02:39:46.960 So this, this seven year period, this is the last seven years of the rule of evil on the

02:39:54.240 earth, be it evil men, evil Elohim. This will be it at the end of this seven year period. 0.99

02:39:58.760 That'll be the end. And then there'll be the kingdom of Jesus. So, which sounds good and 0.76

02:40:03.640 it will be good, but it's going to be, it's not going to be what people think it is. It's

02:40:07.260 not going to be quite the paradise people are expecting. So I just leave that seed there

02:40:11.080 because we have a ways to go before we get to the thousand year kingdom, but I'll just

02:40:15.480 again, leave that seed there. So where do we get this notion of the, this seven year

02:40:21.300 period? It actually starts with, in the, in the book of Daniel, which I mentioned before,

02:40:26.080 Daniel is probably my second favorite book to read in the Bible, second to revelation,

02:40:31.760 because Daniel, you can almost call Daniel like the prequel to revelation. Cause if you

02:40:36.640 don't understand what's going on in Daniel, you're not going to understand revelation.

02:40:40.040 And I think one of the many reasons that people have trouble with revelation is they read it

02:40:44.020 in isolated form. You have to, not only do you need to, do you need to understand Daniel,

02:40:48.600 you need to understand most of the old Testament to understand the book of revelation,

02:40:52.520 but especially Daniel. And we, again, the whole trial thing, you, you will rarely hear

02:40:58.320 teachers talk about this, this trial being set up in revelation four and five, because again,

02:41:03.900 they're, they're not paying attention to Daniel. So just to set up a scenario of what was happening

02:41:08.620 with, with Daniel, Daniel got a prophecy that basically outlined this period of time among other

02:41:14.300 things. So where we are now is Daniel is an old man. So Daniel was taken captive into Babylon.

02:41:22.100 When, when the Babylonian empire conquered Israel was part of the judgment of God because they, 0.89

02:41:27.060 they fell into, into idolatry. And God said, if you, if you worship other Elohim, I'll kick you out 1.00

02:41:32.960 of the land. So Nebuchadnezzar was his tool. Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians took over, 0.97

02:41:37.040 they, they conquered Israel, they destroyed Jerusalem and they took the Israelites into captivity. 0.91

02:41:42.980 Daniel was one of them, but Daniel had favor with Nebuchadnezzar. He became basically the prime 0.50

02:41:48.220 minister. He, Nebuchadnezzar elevated him to that level. So at this point, when he was a teenager, 0.70

02:41:53.960 Daniel did that. We talked about that last time. Um, so at this point, Daniel is an old man. Uh,

02:41:58.880 the Babylonian empire has been conquered by the Persian empire and God told them specifically that 0.89

02:42:05.280 you will be in captivity in Babylon for 70 years. Well, we're at year 70. So they're about to, 0.52

02:42:12.000 the captivity is about to be over. And Daniel, again, he's an old man has been 70 plus years since he's in

02:42:17.040 his eighties at this point. And so he's praying for God to fulfill his promise and to release them.

02:42:23.780 And he prays for 21 days. And at day 21, he gets visited by an angel, a good, a holy angel by the

02:42:31.660 name of Gabriel and Gabriel. Interestingly, Gabriel said, Hey, you know, I, Jehovah sent me to you.

02:42:37.540 The first day you started praying, it took me 21 days to get here because for 21 days I was being

02:42:42.260 opposed by another angel called the Prince of the power of Persia, who was again, the Persian 0.70

02:42:47.020 empire was in power at this time. So they were, so because the Persian empire was the world empire,

02:42:51.760 they had, they were giving all of their attention, all their praise and worship to the Prince of

02:42:57.240 Persia, this Elohim who ruled over Persia. He had power and he was able to withstand against, 0.99

02:43:02.620 he was able to block him because he knew, Hey, Daniel's important. If anyone was coming to give

02:43:06.840 Daniel a message, let's stop him anyway, not to belabor that point, but he gets to Daniel and he

02:43:11.820 gives him a prophecy. And I'm going to, I'm just going to read it to you. It's called, it's a famous

02:43:15.380 prophecy called the 70 weeks prophecy. It was four verses. I want to read it really quick. I'm going

02:43:19.400 to break down what it means. So, so starting a Daniel chapter, if you want to look it up, Daniel

02:43:23.380 chapter nine, starting in verse 24 says 70 weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city

02:43:29.160 to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity,

02:43:33.360 to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy and anoint the most holy.

02:43:39.520 So basically what's going on here is he said that in 70 weeks of years, everything's done. This will

02:43:45.760 be 70 weeks of years is what it's going to take to basically end all of evil. Sin's going to be

02:43:51.540 taken care of. It's going to anoint the most holy kingdom. That's everyone. There's only 70 weeks of

02:43:59.140 years left. So 70 weeks of years, what does that mean? Well, in, in back then the Israelites kept, 0.94

02:44:06.300 they, they had weeks of years, just like, you know, we have weeks of days, which is, you know,

02:44:10.340 seven days. They also had weeks of years. So seven years. So a week of years, it's called a shibuyam 0.86

02:44:14.940 in Hebrew. Shibuya. That's what I thought. So just like, like we, you know, we count years in sets

02:44:23.040 of 10, we call decades. They will have their sets of years in seven called the shibuyam. So, so those

02:44:28.500 70 weeks of years, that's basically 490 years. So in 490 years, um, God's that's, that's all of history.

02:44:36.260 That's all that's going to be left. So, and so the next verse, verse 25 says, know therefore and

02:44:42.360 understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah, the 0.84

02:44:47.160 prince, Mashiach Nagir in, um, in, in Hebrew, there shall be seven weeks and 62 weeks or 69 weeks

02:44:53.940 altogether. The streets will be built again, the wall, even in troublesome times. So what he's saying

02:44:59.900 here is that there from, once there's a decree to rebuild Jerusalem, Jerusalem was, have been destroyed

02:45:05.120 by Nebuchadnezzar from the time that decree goes out to rebuild Jerusalem, there will be 69 weeks

02:45:10.160 of years or 483 years until the coming of the Messiah. So that they know that's the exact date

02:45:17.700 the Messiah is going to be. So that's, so that, um, decreed to rebuild Jerusalem. That's a matter of 0.79

02:45:23.660 historical record. That is the decree of, of Arctic Xerxes. So, um, a few years after Daniel had this

02:45:29.540 prophecy, the, um, the Persian emperor by the name of Cyrus, uh, releases the Jewish people,

02:45:36.740 release the Israelites to go back to their land. So you guys, you're free to go. You're, you don't 0.98

02:45:40.540 have to be in captivity anymore. And many of them did. Some of them stayed because they were

02:45:43.640 comfortable. They had been in there. They've been there for 70 years, but they went back to

02:45:47.460 Jerusalem. They went back to Israel, to the land of Israel. Then there is the actual decree to rebuild 0.77

02:45:53.100 Jerusalem. Again, a matter of historic record. It's called the decree of Arctic of King Artaxerxes.

02:45:57.340 He's his, uh, Cyrus, his grandson decrees and allows them to rebuild Jerusalem and rebuild the 0.93

02:46:03.060 wall. So that's a matter of record. That's when the countdown begins. So 483 years from that is

02:46:08.300 when the Messiah will come. And if you actually do the math, I had a link on my, on faithbyreason.net

02:46:14.760 in that, in the blog post where I talk about this, I used to have it, um, where someone did the actual

02:46:19.620 calculation and it came out that that time was that 483 years, uh, was, uh, about 32 AD, which was

02:46:27.300 the exact day that what we call Palm Sunday, when Jesus presented himself as King and he, you know,

02:46:31.960 he wrote on the back of a donkey, that was the exact day. So that prophecy was fulfilled to the day. 0.93

02:46:38.260 So the question is, well, shouldn't the world have ended seven years after that? Uh, well, let's,

02:46:43.720 let's read on and find out why it didn't. So going to verse 26, verse 26 is after the 62 weeks,

02:46:51.440 the Messiah will be cut off, cut off the word in Hebrew is Karak. It means to be executed.

02:46:57.660 It says, so after 62 weeks or after 483 years, the Messiah will be executed, but not for himself,

02:47:03.540 but for us basically. And the people of the Prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary.

02:47:09.100 And the end of it will be with a flood. And until the end of war, until the end of war and desolations

02:47:15.760 are determined. So it says that at, at year 483, the Messiah will be executed again. We know that he 0.53

02:47:23.660 was crucified, but then some things happen, um, that from that happened after the 483 years,

02:47:30.580 but before that final seven years. And it says the people of the Prince who will come,

02:47:35.660 the Prince who will come is one of the names of the antichrist. So the people of the antichrist

02:47:40.880 will destroy Jerusalem. And that happened in 70 AD, 70 AD was the siege of Jerusalem by, um, 0.57

02:47:47.300 Titus Vespasian, who was the, uh, Roman general son of the, son of the emperor. He destroyed in 70 AD.

02:47:53.560 So you have at least a gap there of 40 years because Jesus was crucified around the 32 AD and the siege

02:48:00.320 of Jerusalem was around 70 was at 70 AD. So that's almost, that's 40 years right there. So there's a

02:48:04.960 gap in between that 69th and 70th week. And we know, and we know now that that gap has lasted 2000

02:48:11.760 years. Go ahead, Revin. Um, I just wanted to ask something. It's, it's, it's lingering on my mind.

02:48:16.340 This, we see this like seven appearing over and over again. Wait a second. Sorry. What, what year did

02:48:22.080 you say that, that it would have ended? I'm sorry. Um, well, the, the, the 483 years would have ended

02:48:28.900 about 32 AD. It's a little off because, you know, a Gregorian calendar is, is different than the

02:48:34.200 Jewish calendar, 365 days versus 360 days. But there was someone who did a calculation of it.

02:48:40.360 I used to have the link, but his, his website went down where he actually went through. He, he, he,

02:48:44.620 he, um, collated the two calendars, the Jewish calendar and the Gregorian calendar. And he came 0.73

02:48:49.300 up with, okay, this is the exact day that Jesus would have had to present himself as the King.

02:48:54.120 And it turned out it was about 32 AD. Interesting. Yeah. There's, there's some

02:48:58.380 people with like this, this year, 536 AD with it. You ever heard of this? It's like the worst

02:49:03.060 year in the world. No. Every volcano erupted. There was darkness. This is what we talked about

02:49:07.980 with, uh, with Paul and, and, uh, and JT. Yeah. There was darkness for 18 months. The bubonic plague

02:49:14.160 like a year after. Oh yeah. I heard about that. I never related it to you. By the way. Yeah. I didn't hear

02:49:19.840 about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fascinating discussion that we had with them.

02:49:23.800 Um, but I, I wanted to talk about this whole seven thing, right? Seven seals, seven trumpets,

02:49:28.960 uh, Daniel prays for 21 days. That's seven times three, the 70 weeks prophecy, the, uh,

02:49:35.560 seven years of tribulation. Is this all to emulate, um, God, like it's, it's not, not an homage,

02:49:43.600 but like, this is almost like this, this repeating pattern of God creating the world in seven days.

02:49:49.240 Is that what it is from, or is there something else to it?

02:49:53.840 I think, I think you're, you're onto it. Um, um, seven is, again, I'm not an expert in,

02:49:59.180 in biblical numerology. Um, I've, I've studied it, studied it a bit, but I'm not expert in it,

02:50:03.260 but I know that seven is the number of, it says number of perfection, but perfection doesn't mean,

02:50:08.540 you know, purity. It means completeness, basically seven, something, seven means it's complete.

02:50:13.420 Okay. Six is a number of man because man is incomplete. Then you have like, uh, you hear

02:50:19.700 other people say, you know, the four is the number of grace and 10 is a number 10 and 12 are like

02:50:25.120 numbers of, of order and government. So there are people who much, who know the numerology much more

02:50:30.280 than much better than I do. But, um, I do know the seven always means complete. If something,

02:50:35.600 seven, if something is done in the sevens, it means it's complete. So seven days of creation,

02:50:39.380 that's all of creation was done. Right. The seven years of the tribulation means that this is it.

02:50:44.120 This is like the, so seven means complete. Fascinating. There is because, you know,

02:50:49.360 there's all this, there's a lot of, um, really fascinating things with numerology, but I'm very

02:50:53.940 hesitant because I see a lot of, um, numerologists and numerology, uh, being leveraged by like people

02:51:01.880 that are into sort of a Jewish mysticism or Kabbalah or things of that nature. And I don't believe

02:51:06.220 that. I think there is something divine to it. I don't think that negative entities can create,

02:51:12.960 they can only corrupt. And so there is something there. Um, but it's like, you know, I'm blocked

02:51:20.200 from understanding it because I run into all of these kind of sketchy alleyways when trying to

02:51:26.200 understand it. And, and seven is just one of those numbers. That's always fascinated me, but

02:51:29.800 all right. It's intentional because it, if you, you, you corrupt something and then like you said,

02:51:35.500 then you don't want to study it because you're like, I don't, this is, you know, there's too

02:51:37.880 many occult stuff, too much occult stuff attached to it. A perfect example of that is what we call

02:51:42.440 the Zodiac. Now the star, now there, the, the original Zodiac, which we call it, so it comes

02:51:48.980 from the Greek word Zoa. And, but the, the Hebrew term for it is the Mazaroth. Now the Mazaroth was put

02:51:56.120 in the skies to tell the story of redemption. God put that in the sky. He says in Genesis,

02:52:02.020 I put the stars in the sky for you to mark seasons and times. And if you actually look at it from the

02:52:06.680 biblical standpoint, the message was in the skies during the time of Adam, you had Virgo, the

02:52:11.880 virgin, which is the, that's the start of the year in the Jewish calendar, the Jewish calendar starts 0.96

02:52:15.580 in September, our September, which is the time of Virgo. I know this because I dated a Virgo and she

02:52:21.500 was, I know that because she told me all the time, well, I did this because I'm a Virgo. I'm like,

02:52:25.400 no, you did this because you're an asshole. If you want to blame it on some star that was in the 1.00

02:52:29.500 sky when you were born, whatever. I can't confirm I'm a Virgo, so she's an asshole. I'm sorry. 1.00

02:52:34.580 Just her, you're, you're great. Other Virgos. Asshole confirmed. Asshole confirmed. 0.77

02:52:39.100 But anyway, so it's also Virgo, the virgin birth, and it ends with Leo, the lion, the lion of the tribe 0.98

02:52:46.260 of Judah. So it's really, which is, you know, the Jesus coming as, as a king. So if you start with

02:52:51.300 that, if you, and there, you can go to websites and, and, and look at the gospel and the stars

02:52:56.500 and look that up. If you guys have a chance to Google that, and you will see some people have

02:52:59.740 done deep study on this, and they will show how the constellations tell the entire story of

02:53:03.920 redemption. So the story of redemption was in the stars, you know, from day one. And so whenever

02:53:11.260 someone tells me, well, you know, you can't trust the Bible because the Bible was written, you know,

02:53:14.980 thousands of hundreds or thousands of years after this other holy book, and they just copied it. I'm

02:53:18.960 like, no, no, no. The only way you can tell me that the Bible is, that was copied from something

02:53:23.100 else, or the Bible wasn't, what, it wasn't God's word. You have to tell me that whatever

02:53:27.260 holy book you're talking about was written before the stars were put in heaven, because

02:53:30.780 that's the first word of God is the Maseroth. The Maseroth, again, in Greek is Zoha. Zoha

02:53:37.620 in Greek means the way. The first disciples, they didn't call themselves Christians. Christians

02:53:44.080 was a pejorative name that the Romans gave them, because Christian means little Christ.

02:53:48.120 But they called it, what the disciples called themselves, and you see this in the Bible,

02:53:51.160 they call themselves the followers of the way. They called that, they called themselves that in

02:53:57.120 the book of Acts. They were basically saying, we're the ones who are following this, this message in

02:54:02.200 the stars that Jehovah put there, you know, thousands of years ago. We're following that.

02:54:06.880 Well, yeah, that's what this, I mean. But the point I was making is that people have corrupted

02:54:09.800 that and turned it into something occult. So that, so that Christians are like, oh, I'm 0.51

02:54:14.940 not going to mess with the, with the Zodiac or all these astrological stuff, because that's,

02:54:18.500 that's from Satan. Well, he corrupted what God originally put there for, for, to give us

02:54:23.600 the story of redemption. And it's, I mean, even, even with the story of Jesus, like the only

02:54:28.340 way the Magi found him were by following the stars. They were just walking across land, looking

02:54:33.080 at the stars, and they're like, he's right there. So something special about that. And yeah,

02:54:36.920 it is one of those things, if you do talk to another Christian, like, don't mess with 1.00

02:54:40.400 it. And I kind of agree, like, don't mess with it. If we, if you don't know what it

02:54:43.360 is, like, don't mess with it. But like, I don't know, maybe we have to find somebody

02:54:47.160 who's in it. And it'd be like a real expert at this stuff. If, if we're going to like

02:54:52.100 suggest this to the people. I talked about that this morning on, on timeline cleanse, because

02:54:55.620 numerology has always fascinated me. And I said, the best thing that I can come up with

02:54:59.180 is like, if you're going to go that direction, like talk to God, pray to Jesus Christ for

02:55:04.560 discernment. And to, I mean, if you're going to be adamant in going down that path, that

02:55:10.700 guide, that God guides you to sources that are in alignment with his will, because there

02:55:17.540 is something there. I do not like the idea that you can take something so interesting

02:55:22.600 and corrupt it.

02:55:23.800 It's like, it's the difference between praying and meditating, you know, like they seem similar.

02:55:30.880 And in today's society, they never really explained to you, but praying, you're talking,

02:55:34.820 there's a discussion going on. It's aimed meditating. You're empty.

02:55:38.880 My transcendental meditation is empty. Yeah, exactly. But God tells us to meditate, but, but

02:55:44.520 we're not empty. We're supposed to meditate on his word or he tells, you know, meditate.

02:55:48.740 In other words, just clear your mind of everything, except this focus on these words, you know, the,

02:55:53.700 the Shema, you know, you know, hear all Israel, the Lord, our God is one.

02:55:57.200 And they're supposed to meditate on that. Why so suddenly it becomes ingrained in them.

02:56:01.920 David meditated, right? For, and, and, but that scripture says that as he was meditating,

02:56:06.020 he's meditating to focus on the law of God to like absorb it. And then it kind of, I think

02:56:10.780 it says like, it becomes him. Like he becomes so, but he's, he's has his eye, his mind on

02:56:16.080 something. It's not empty and open, like an empty vessel for whatever. And that's kind of

02:56:20.100 take away all the distractions and just focus and meditate on, on this important thing.

02:56:24.820 That's yeah. Yeah. But you gotta be very careful doing these things. There's a distinction.

02:56:29.960 Yeah. But, but, but it's also that idea of like, my people shall perish for lack of knowledge.

02:56:33.780 Like we, these things, I, I, I just can't get over the idea that there isn't a spiritual

02:56:39.720 opposition and they have a, a stronghold on all of these ancient arts and, and things that

02:56:45.740 are, you know, that were put here by God and that, you know, followers of Christ are too

02:56:52.580 trepidatious to, to even look at them. And, and, you know, by that token, it's like, well,

02:56:58.100 then they're just free to corrupt it and they're free to use this thing to, to twist the minds

02:57:03.220 of man. Uh, while we just kind of go, well, I don't really know much about it. It seems

02:57:08.480 a little bit spooky to me. I'm like, right. And I'm kind of in, you know, I'm, I'm like

02:57:12.340 that too, to a degree.

02:57:13.420 Well, a perfect example is the whole Nephilim thing. I grew up thinking that, you know, that, 0.98

02:57:18.020 that in Genesis chapter six, they were just bad people, you know, because it became orthodox that,

02:57:24.420 you know, when the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of men and the, the, the, 0.88

02:57:29.660 the Nephilim, they were just, they were just bad human beings. Why? Because why? Because if you 0.99

02:57:34.560 think that they are actually supernatural, then it says they were, they were the mighty men of all,

02:57:38.700 the men of renowned, the men, you know, Hercules and all the other demigods. And it's all, well, 0.91

02:57:43.120 you're getting into the occult. Like, no, it actually says this. These people were the demigods

02:57:47.920 and they were worshiped. So yeah, I believe that Hercules and Achilles and all these other,

02:57:52.280 they were real, but they were Nephilim. I I'm not going to worship them, but you don't like throw 1.00

02:57:57.500 out the baby with the bathwater. You don't say that just because, you know, these people have

02:58:01.620 corrupted this history, don't not study histories, not, don't neglect the history, just study it for

02:58:08.680 what it is. Yeah. That's how I read the book of Enoch. Yeah, exactly. And then they like, put it,

02:58:14.240 put it down. It's not part of the Bible, but look at it. Yeah. See what I think it's important

02:58:18.580 because, you know, it was, it's quoted in the Bible, you know, Jude quotes from it directly

02:58:22.320 and Peter refers to it directly. It was very popular book during the first century. And honestly,

02:58:28.000 you won't know without the book of Enoch, you won't know what a demon is.

02:58:33.100 It says it very clearly in Enoch.

02:58:34.900 It's a body spirit of Nephilim. You wouldn't know that if you don't read Enoch. 0.92

02:58:37.220 Right. So it's, it's, it's an important history book, but is it canon? No, but it's an important

02:58:42.080 book. Right. So, um, let's just keep going with, with Daniel. So basically where we are. So we had

02:58:47.940 69 weeks, 483 years, Messiah comes, Messiah's executed, but then there's a gap of at least 40

02:58:55.740 years. And I think we can easily say it's been 2000 years and the people of the Prince who shall come

02:59:00.540 destroy Jerusalem. So that means the people of the Antichrist destroy Jerusalem. So that mean, 0.87

02:59:06.100 could that mean that the Antichrist is a Roman or Italian, or maybe, or it could also mean

02:59:11.400 Gentile. So it doesn't necessarily mean that the Antichrist, that the, that the Antichrist

02:59:16.580 is a, is, is a Roman and Italian or anything like that. I think you could also.

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180： The Subtle Signs of Witchcraft w⧸ Vicki Joy Anderson

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