180： The Subtle Signs of Witchcraft w⧸ Vicki Joy Anderson
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2 hours and 59 minutes
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184.18451
Summary
Vicky Joy Anderson is a writer, researcher, author, and all-around excellent human being. She's been around the business for a long time, and has been with us for over 20 years. She has been a member of the Brohemian Grove research team, and is a regular guest on the show, as well. In this episode, she joins us to talk about the dark side of the occult, including her own personal experiences with witchcraft.
Transcript
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.
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That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
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Buy the stuff. I'm excited to get into the guest today.
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And you guys know that I've been talking quite a bit about dreams.
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And I decided that we had to get sort of an expert in the conversation.
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And not just me telling you guys all my disjointed stories that nobody wants to hear.
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Please welcome back to Nephilim Death Squad, Vicky Joy Anderson.
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But before we get into it, where can everybody find your work?
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Everything you possibly could need is right there on the website.
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You'll see all the social links up there in the top right-hand corner.
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You can contact me, media that will tell you all the other places I've chatted on, events.
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So if you're going to be in Ohio, Springfield, Missouri, or the Norman, Oklahoma area anytime in late 2025,
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Before we started the show, we were chatting, you and I, a little bit.
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Now, fans of the show are aware of sort of the revelations that have come our way in regards to what Top has experienced in his own household.
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But what's interesting is, of course, that's kind of, like, piqued our interest in this idea of witchcraft and how prevalent it actually is.
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We do a show called NDS Chronicles, and we received a testimony from one of our patrons, Tom Suratnak, whose father actually was part of, like, a power team or something like that.
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It used to be these power lifters that would burst through two-by-fours for the Lord.
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Back in the 90s, this was something that was very common.
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But Tom wrote us in and explained to us a situation where he ran into witchcraft.
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And long story short, by the end of it, it turned into a conversation about how rampant this actually is.
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It's a lot more common than people would guess.
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And, you know, it varies from just the sort of the LARPers that, you know, we have talked to you about in the past, Vicky, about people that kind of are just engaging in the aesthetic of it.
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I think they still exist in some form or fashion, but this guy started it.
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They were running through two-by-fours and all kinds of stuff like that.
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So every time they were done breaking something –
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So what I ended up stumbling upon last night was something that is going viral on TikTok.
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And it's this woman who is a viral hairdresser.
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And she's been, you know, gaining some renown for a while.
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And it was only after some time went by where people started to notice some strange behavior from her.
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And that strange behavior would be like there's a disconnect behind her eyes.
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And she's making all kinds of strange faces that don't seem, you know, applicable to the conversation that she's having with her client.
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And then somebody starts to notice, well, in the background, there's like she's drawn sigils on the mirrors in her studio.
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And that appears to be like a little voodoo idol that she's got on her desk.
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And then someone noticed even that the chair that the clients would sit in had a ring of salt around it.
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And to top it all off, somebody started to really zero in on how often she would ask for permission, permission to touch you, permission to touch your hair, permission to spit, like all these different layers of consent that she was going for.
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And what she does is she masks it behind sort of that there's like an LGBT thing.
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There's also a racial aspect where, you know, you have to ask people to touch their hair if they're ethnic or something like that.
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So she masks it behind all of these virtue signals, in other words.
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But really, if you look at it through a different lens, it appears to be witchcraft.
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And so after the video was said and done, I was pretty well convinced.
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And it just goes to show you how how prevalent this this actually is in society, way more so than than people would think.
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It is so prevalent, more so than than people think.
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Um, I probably spent the first 40 years of my life in ignorant bliss.
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OK, I was born and raised in the Christian home.
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You know, you can get flat tires and your friend can be mean to you today and you got a zit and like things like that, things that Jesus can easily take care of.
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But the really bad stuff that happens to non-Christians who don't read their Bible and go to church.
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Right. So I lived in this like ridiculous bubble.
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I don't know how as an educated 40 year old, I still managed to have my butt that filled with my own head.
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Uh, but he talked a lot about occult crime, uh, ritual abuse, satanic ritual abuse.
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And I now work very closely with Tom Dunn over at Through the Black, and I have for years.
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And Tom was a, uh, a protege, I guess is the word, sat under Russ for, mentored by Russ for, I think, 17, 18 years, something like that.
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So I just had this massive, like, you talk about, what do you want, the red pill or the blue pill?
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I wish, I wish it had been that friendly and cordial for me.
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It was like, I felt like I was tied on the ground as someone had handfuls of red pills, just like jamming them down my throat.
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It's like, too much, too soon, too much, too soon.
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But, um, what, what Russ used to say, and it would be useless for me to give you any statistics, because they'd all be, you know, 10 plus years old now.
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So you can probably imagine that the stats are, are more than that now.
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But, um, I don't know if there is a church out there that doesn't have infiltration.
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Um, I often say that I wish evangelicals were as organized and passionate as the cults and the covens, because they have an agenda, they know their assignment, they're unashamed.
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And if you're saying, well, you know what, I live in rural so-and-so, there's only 20 people in my church and half of them are in their 70s.
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I will tell you that I went to a church within the last decade that had less than 20 people there.
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And it was a hardcore reformed theology, you know, one hour sermons, only saying the Psalms, like it was a very like devout type of a situation.
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Um, I found out the hard way, and this is why I can sit on shows like this now and tell you about what I know.
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I went through it, uh, unbeknownst to me, that tiny little church full of really nice elderly old people was full of implanted witches from a coven.
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And because I didn't know any of this stuff and probably would have laughed at you or rolled my eyes at you if you had told me that these sweet people were something other than what they were presenting themselves to be.
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I spent 18 months going over to their houses, stepping over their thresholds, eating the food that they made for me, wearing all the hand-me-down clothes that they were giving me, all the gifts.
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Every other day, someone wants me over their house and they're cooking me meals and they're giving me clothes and gifts and jewelry.
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I just thought, well, these are really wonderful, nice Christian people.
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And I will tell you that that 18 months wreaked havoc on my life for five solid years.
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And it, it got very, and, and I had moved away at that point.
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I wasn't even in the vicinity anymore, but the consequences of my ignorance, it followed me for a good five years.
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I, um, I was in a bad state, so I, I had to learn the hard way.
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And I, at this point in retrospect, I'm glad I learned the hard way because now I can attempt to help other people.
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But guys, it's, it's, it's, it's an uphill climb because as soon as you start talking to the average blue-pilled evangelical, of which I was proudly one for 40 some years, um, you have to get over this misconception that Jesus is this bulletproof vest.
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That just saves you from every single bullet that comes your way.
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After you become a Christian, you're impervious to attack.
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Um, these witches can do and say whatever they want, but I got Jesus.
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It's like, well, yeah, but if you're, if you're ignorant of the game that they're playing, you can, they know the legalities, they know the loopholes.
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And when you start doing things like crossing over thresholds, letting people cross over the threshold of your home, you're eating with them.
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It is in all of the movie lore, all of the vampire lore, right?
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Um, these threshold covenants, these salt covenants, you know, when you're breaking bread with someone, they are still in play.
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The spirit realm still operates under these covenants.
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And if you don't understand the covenants, you don't know about the covenants or you don't take the covenant seriously.
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I wonder how many Christians are going through things that aren't just
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blithely related to this generic idea of spiritual warfare.
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So my tires keep popping and I just lost my job and my friend ghosted me.
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And sometimes the, the conduit of that spiritual warfare are, are humans, other humans that are, are being utilized boots on the ground.
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And I think more of us than would even realize have invited these people into our homes because they are wearing the disguise of wonderful.
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Yeah. They're, they're wearing the disguise of super sweet, you know, Christians.
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You know, I, I had one person tell me once who had been victim of this say, never trust those Christian women who are always so nice and excited, you know, and that's not to say there aren't genuine Christians that act that way.
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Cause I've met them too, but, but a little too nice, a little too gift giving a little like, kind of like exactly what you were just talking about.
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Raven is this, this whole, like, once you see the sigils and the rings of salt and the permissions, like the, and this is what we have to do.
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And I wish we didn't have to do it guys, but when we're dealing with another human being, who's operating on a grid of deception, we will never pick up on it unless we are looking at things through a grid of deception.
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Well, it's because your husband was operating with you on a grid of deception and you weren't.
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You did believe he was working late and, and you did believe that the money got stolen out of the checking account because you're not operating on a grid of deception.
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And so in scripture, when it tells us to be like wise as serpents, that's an uncomfortable verse for me.
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Cause it's like the serpent analogy is you're telling me I was supposed to be like the serpent.
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I don't want to be like the serpent, but we're being, we're constantly being warned by these biblical writers, be sober minded, be vigilant.
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And so we have to understand that when we get into places where we think we're safe, whether it's our church or whether it is maybe a news station where everybody seems conservative.
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Like when we get into these places where we feel safe, like when we get into these places where we feel safe, that grid of deception goes away and we take everything at face value and there's trust.
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And that's why I think one of the most ingenious things that the enemy did in our society is he started separating our areas where we socialize and areas where we get our information into this is blue, this is red, this is conservative, this is liberal.
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Because once we get into a house of prayer, a church, a Bible study group, where we flip on the TV and we go to our conservative channels, we sort of let out a sigh.
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We believe that everything there is going to be safe.
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And so we're not as sober minded or as vigilant and we're not picking up on these clues.
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And so I think that even when we're in a place where we think everything is safe, we still need to be prayerfully asking for discernment because there's always going to be a wolf in sheep's clothing among the sheep.
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Yeah, even in the political realm, which is like a place where I kind of dabbled in before people like, well, when you look at Hillary Clinton, it's hard to understand what they're doing because she presents as a grandmother and you take your preconceived notions.
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Right. And you're like, my grandmother wouldn't do that.
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And I was like, yeah, your grandmother wouldn't. But this lady is not.
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They're doing, you know, she's looking for the bodies of the buried Nephilim and has an entire kill list.
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So it's like, but it's really easy to take at face value, you know, let people in.
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And yeah, it's something that actually becomes, oh, go ahead, top.
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No, that's what, uh, the conversation with Merkel yesterday didn't, uh, it wasn't really about what you should do.
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It was about, sorry, like what you should let in, you know?
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And, uh, yeah, I had to really think about that.
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Yeah, it's, it's hard because I don't want to, um, there's gotta, it's a, it's a fine line to walk because I don't want to be the type of person that scrutinizes everybody and then makes sort of a mountain out of a molehill.
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Although I do a fair bit of that because it's an instinct as a father, you know, you have your, your husband, I mean, I'm sorry, you have your, your, your, uh, your son and your, your wife, and you don't want to allow people in that are potentially dangerous.
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But at some point, you know, is there a, is there a point of diminishing returns where that filter is broken and now you're scrutinizing everybody?
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Um, but then again, when you run into these issues, it's almost like, does it even matter if you're, if you're a little overly scrutinizing because, um, the payoff for that is protecting your, your family.
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The downside is allowing something in that is really hard to identify.
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Um, you know, so we were recently going through something where, uh, we had this falling out, um, with a potential business partner and we were trying to execute this, this, uh, you know, this big event, Bohemian Grove.
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And Vicky, when I tell you the few weeks leading up to it, or was it like two to three weeks leading up to it?
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Um, things got so obviously spiritually heavy and, and what ended up happening was not only were we, you know, I was like inundated with all these dreams.
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Um, and you know, the irritability was like through the roof that was easily set off and I, and I found myself giving into this spirit of like anger and resentment constantly and having to reel it back in.
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Um, but also there was like these, as if it wasn't enough, these small little mishaps, you know, you, we were talking at the top of the show about how, um, when you get a flat tire, is that necessarily, you know, spiritual warfare?
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If you have a falling out with a friend, is that necessarily spiritual?
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Well, when you, you know, the crazy thing is though, David, it's like, what's that?
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Cause I'm, I'm always like, I would like to say no up until the point where it's like, get, I get, maybe it crosses the line, but it's so, it was so bad that this example we're talking about back then with the panties, it was like dirty panties left in the house.
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And right before we find them, uh, some guy, random guy who tells me, looks me in my eyes and says that woman's a witch in no uncertain terms.
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I was like, wonder what that could mean anyway.
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And just continue with my life for three years.
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And it's like, well, yeah, there's a shirt retardio, but yeah, sorry, continue.
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But it's just like, even when it's right there in your face, I'm just like, I don't think so.
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I think that this time we, we actually managed to, you know, top and I would have these discussions while all this was happening, you know, only a few weeks ago.
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And it was like, yeah, something else is, is happening.
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I had a spat with my wife is really uncharacteristic of our relationship.
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And we found ourselves arguing over, I can't even remember.
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It was so insignificant, but it was like, I, I said that irritability factor where if you, if you touched me just a little bit, I was very reactive.
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And even then I was able to stop myself very quickly and be like, this is not us.
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You know, it feels, uh, it feels like something is influencing us.
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And then, like I said, the little things that you wouldn't even attribute, like my sink ended up collapsing because they didn't put brackets on the underside of the granite countertop.
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So my sink ended up falling in and it's just like, you know what it felt like?
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Maybe these, these negative spiritual entities were constantly pushing me to see if I would react, you know, to see if they can get me to give into that.
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And I know we'll get into this larger conversation about dreams later on, but I had a dream where I was shown very, and I was shown very clearly, um, that there was a temptation to give in to a spirit specifically.
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And that if I shared in this spirit, I would end up going to the same place that it and all the other people who shared in it were going, which was into the ocean, interestingly enough.
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Um, so, you know, but thank God we do what we do and we believe what we believe because had we not had that grounding in Jesus Christ, there is a high likelihood.
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Especially given our personalities that we would have just given into all of that anger and resentment and just started opening fire on anybody who came our way.
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But it was a interesting moment in time where we were able to ground ourselves, you know, in, in belief in Jesus.
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And that's what, uh, enabled us to operate the right way, in my opinion.
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So you said a bunch of things there that are so important.
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And I think one of the reasons why so many Christians believe that they're impervious to witchcraft is we expect that if we're under some sort of hex or spell or curse, that it's going to be this massive fireworks display, you know, and everyone's going to get cancer.
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And then all of a sudden the house is going to burn down and, you know, it's going to be this like succession of massively, you know, chaotic events.
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And so the fact is a lot of this stuff is very subtle.
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And so, um, what happens is our, our weaknesses get preyed upon.
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And this might sound like, well, how would they know or this or that or whatever, but here's the, here's the deal.
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We now live in a society where just our technology kind of has our, us figured out all these algorithms.
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They know all of our friends from our contact list.
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So if, if, um, algorithms can figure out what button buttons to push, obviously spiritual, um, realities can as well.
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And so what I've noticed is not necessarily a witchcraft attack, but we're talking spiritual warfare in, in general, instead of looking for the big things, like my car exploded on the way to Walmart.
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It's, it's more things like all of a sudden a very paranoid thought hits me.
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And typically it would be something that I wouldn't pause to think of, or I would just laugh off, or it would be a thought that maybe I wouldn't even catch.
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And then, then you're in this kind of heightened state of paranoia, whether you realize it or not, because now you're, you're fixating on something that's creating anxiety.
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So now you're in a little bit of a weakened state.
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Now you go onto your social media and that's the one day out of a year that someone says you're the ugliest thing they've ever seen in their life.
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And you're, you're, you stink and you're horrible.
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And something that would never even like rest in your mind is all of a sudden layered on top of this paranoia and anxiety.
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And so now this is triggering junior high and oh my gosh, like I, now it's all the undealt with junior high.
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It layers, it layers, it layers until you are in this heightened, frenzied state.
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And so a lot of what's going on here is, it doesn't have to be all this external stuff.
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And that's why I think, I think it's Philippians 4.13 that says, finally, brothers, whatever is true, right, pure, noble, excellent, praiseworthy, think about such things.
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And the formula for peace, in fact, the peace that passes all human understanding, one of the bits of that formula is that we fixate on things that are true.
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And so when we are grabbing hold of thoughts like, oh my gosh, all the genetically modified food, it's going to kill me.
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And pretty soon you're in this, you're full of lies and you're not going to have that peace.
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And so we have to constantly get the vacuum cleaner out every morning and get the brain, get the lint trap cleared out.
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So just understand that if you're trying to find evidence in your life of warfare and all you're doing is looking at how many family members have passed away in the last year or how many cars have, you know, broke down.
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And another thing that you were talking about, Raven, if I can put my mind on it.
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There is a very real reality to what you said, that once a Christian suddenly does become aware of the fact that witchcraft is still prevalent and that this stuff does work and take effect, there is this pendulum swing that goes all the way over to the extreme.
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And all of a sudden, and I'm not joking, a lot of times I'm being sarcastic and I'm using hyperbole.
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And we were asked to like bow our heads and pray.
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Some little old woman behind me, for whatever reason, reaches out and rubs my back.
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She seemed like a lovely little old lady though.
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I'm sure she just thought you were a sexy young guy.
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And then you get Hashimoto's and things like that.
00:30:32.620
That's the alleged story, if you believe the guy is in white coats.
00:30:43.060
It says that believers, the ecclesia, the assembly, the children of God, we're a body.
00:30:49.500
And we're not supposed to look at the big toe and say, you're not as important as me.
00:30:54.600
And we're not supposed to despise parts of the body.
00:31:00.880
And one part of the body isn't better or more special than the other parts.
00:31:04.260
Because every part, if you took one away, the body would cease to function.
00:31:19.700
So you can't just, you know, the Christians can't just say, we have a different view on the rapture.
00:31:33.400
And I have, you guys, I'm sure, are in the same situation.
00:31:39.000
Because we're in this podcasting world, we have a lot of friends in the same circles.
00:31:44.180
And what's really heartbreaking to me is when someone I really, really love tells me that someone else I really, really love is a witch.
00:31:56.440
And it's just like, it can wreak so much havoc.
00:32:02.040
And it doesn't just wreak the havoc of believing that, like believing the gossip.
00:32:07.120
It wreaks havoc if you don't believe the gossip.
00:32:10.420
Because now you don't really trust the person who told you the gossip.
00:32:16.840
You were telling, you were talking earlier, Raven, about the hairstylist and all these clues people were picking up.
00:32:25.480
The person that thinks everybody is a witch and is always accusing everybody of being a witch.
00:32:37.240
These people that are obsessed with pointing out everybody is being witches, what are you deflecting?
00:32:43.740
I mean, some people are just ultra paranoid because they've been hurt.
00:32:47.940
Like if you're talking to a ritual abuse survivor and they think everyone's a witch, it's probably from their background.
00:32:53.920
But I'm telling you, I know a lot of people, I shouldn't say a lot of, I have interacted with people in ministry and I get so sick of every single person walking in the door being a witch.
00:33:05.020
So then my grid of deception turns on and I start evaluating that person differently and sometimes the sigils and the salt start showing up.
00:33:13.840
Well, this is exactly what we've been going through.
00:33:16.380
And it's like on not just this level, since, man, since a child I've been dealing with this, it's kind of what pushed me away from, it's part of what pushed me away from the church initially.
00:33:28.740
The first push, because my mother was, my mom has this ability to like very, very much how like we are like conspiratorial Christians, I guess you'd call us, or like looking into the supernatural.
00:33:41.680
So, I don't even know, she had a prophetic dream in, God, how old was I, 12?
00:33:49.040
The 90s, like late 90s, before 2000 and yeah, before 9-11.
00:33:54.440
And that kind of sent her on, so it just sent her reeling from like a person who was just worldly.
00:34:05.400
I think the best word for him would be maintenance.
00:34:07.640
I think that's what we're trying to describe, maintenance.
00:34:10.120
Every day, he's doing the thing and keeping it tidy so it never builds up.
00:34:17.920
And then boom, one day at once, the floodgates open, and she's like hardcore.
00:34:21.620
But it got to the point where she's like accusing our family members of, you know, reading scripture and saying like you can't, basically you can't be next to people that are not Christians.
00:34:33.880
You know, you can't be with those that are in the world.
00:34:38.540
But I also think that it's like, well, how are you supposed to talk with them?
00:34:41.900
How are you supposed to reach these people and their family?
00:34:44.820
I'm not going to, I reject like pushing them out entirely unless they're doing like a, like obviously on its face.
00:34:52.380
If they're doing witchcraft and you're like in their house, you'd be like, okay, that's different.
00:34:55.980
But if they're just dumb Puerto Ricans, you'd be like, that's different too.
00:34:59.420
We have to talk, we got to talk with our family.
00:35:03.320
And then, but it's a motif that continues to come up in our life, even a little bit with Merkel.
00:35:09.140
I had a discussion with him yesterday and I told him outright.
00:35:12.740
I was like, Hey, I think you've been a little distant from us because of, uh, obviously because of what I do online, what I do online is like, cause you're smart.
00:35:21.140
And he told me, he was like, yeah, I have, he says, I have to protect myself.
00:35:25.340
And I was like, I think you did the exact right thing because we've been having convictions about what we do as well.
00:35:32.060
I feel like, but now I don't, I feel like there's a time to put these things away and, uh, now whatever.
00:35:39.440
And then the discussion that I'm having with David the last week, which is why I even spoke with Merkel is like, how close do you want to get to a person?
00:35:49.620
How much do you want to protect yourself versus helping somebody else?
00:35:57.040
And I think we got some good advice, um, and we're going to move forward with it, but that's a, this is a constant thing that's happening.
00:36:05.200
And it's like, I don't want to be the guy that's like, which is in every corner, but damn, there's, which is in every corner.
00:36:09.600
And, but how do you, well, how do you navigate it to, you know, to Vicki's point about, you know, it's, it's a sensitive filter and it could easily be turned on kind of everybody.
00:36:20.760
Um, we, we're in both this conspiracy world and this Christian world.
00:36:27.380
I mean, you, you, you separated, it's all Christian, it's all biblical.
00:36:31.060
Um, and, and the Bible helps us understand the things that we deem conspiracy, but because of that willingness to, to engage in those ideas, we attract a lot of people from just the conspiratorial world.
00:36:42.860
And so you don't get accused of being a heretic or anything in that world, you get accused of being like a fed and a shill or something like that.
00:37:01.600
Why do I have to be a paid operative by, you know, we've been joking around saying general Flynn, uh, uh, made Bohemian Grove possible because it's like, you just, at some point you have to lean into these accusations.
00:37:12.100
Because these people, shout out to Steve Wilkos and his moon map, uh, these people don't take, there's no talking them off a ledge once they decide that you are a Freemason or something crazy like that.
00:37:27.660
Like I, I'm trying to unpack things that are obfuscated from us by pretty clever people that have pretty clever spirits.
00:37:39.920
So it's like every once in a while, maybe I will have the wrong take or something like that, but I'm exploring these ideas.
00:37:46.940
And rather than just being wrong, you're either entirely correct or you're a shill, right?
00:37:53.660
You're either entirely in alignment with someone on their interpretation of scripture, or you are a witch, let's say, and you're, you're, you're doing this sort of thing.
00:38:02.400
So it's, it is hard and I, and I can't help but wonder if the same thing that you spoke about, Vicky applies to, um, these people in the conspiracy world, which is if you are constantly calling, you know, people a shill or a fed, if you are constantly separating those who are seeking the truth from one another, what percentage of those people are actually there to do just that?
00:38:26.440
You know, to, to, to break apart that body, because I do have a great deal of empathy for the conspiracy community.
00:38:32.600
Even if they haven't found Jesus, it's like, if you are earnestly seeking the truth, then you will, because Jesus is the truth.
00:38:40.320
So it's like, if you're going down that path, that's what brought me to this place.
00:38:44.520
And in my understanding of, of, you know, the world, um, then hopefully it brings you to that very same place if you're actually seeking the truth.
00:38:52.080
And so if that is the, the nature of what we're doing, why try to separate us?
00:38:56.700
Why try to, you know, accuse this person or that person, but, um, before we go any further, we'll continue that.
00:39:02.860
I was just going to say, uh, uh, before we go any further, we're at the 40 minute mark.
00:39:05.960
So we got to cut the stream to rumble and, uh, YouTube and X guys, we're not going to do that.
00:39:21.820
Um, so Vicky, I don't know if you want to, uh, we just gave you a lot of stuff, but I'll, I'll let you.
00:39:31.280
And then I would like to get onto this conversation about dreams, but please, uh, every single thing we just
00:39:40.640
The whole, the psychology of the trolling is so fascinating to me guys.
00:39:46.620
And, um, here's, I'm going to give you my little, um, psychology of trolling and then we can move on.
00:39:58.300
Uh, first of all, um, anybody who's looking for my Achilles heel has failed to find it.
00:40:04.180
If making fun of me is whatever, because here's the deal, guys, I was born with a fricking birth
00:40:11.680
Like I always tell people, how come every single physical malady of mine is, is on my face?
00:40:17.500
And I can like cover it up like everybody else.
00:40:22.820
I've, I've been wearing this face for 53 years.
00:40:28.760
When you go to school for 18 years and it's, every kid is fixated on that.
00:40:37.600
There's a point where, you know, it's just not there anymore.
00:40:40.600
You know, there, there's no emotion to attach to that.
00:40:45.360
Um, first of all, I feel a little bit akin to them because in my youth, all the way up,
00:40:53.380
probably into my twenties, thirties, I, I was that person.
00:41:00.960
Now, if there had been such thing as social media, when I was in high school, I would have
00:41:06.800
I was the one that would have, because of my own insecurities, I would have been the one
00:41:11.520
mocking you, making fun of you, correcting your grammar, because that I didn't have any
00:41:23.060
That was who I was all the way through high school.
00:41:25.740
I was just a, I just didn't have the social media.
00:41:27.860
I was just a live in person troll to everybody I talked to because I had a chip on my shoulder
00:41:33.420
and I felt like every day I had to go in and defend myself.
00:41:37.820
So I, so I empathize with them because I'm thinking if, if not the grace of God, I would
00:41:45.620
I really do have a heart for people who are deceived, lost, confused, broken.
00:41:55.360
I work with a lot of trauma survivors on a daily basis on email or on the phone.
00:42:03.440
I am talking to people who have been in various forms of abuse, ritual abuse, childhood trauma,
00:42:09.520
And I love these people and I have a heart for them.
00:42:18.120
And so my heart, I have no desire to go out and preach to the choir all the time.
00:42:25.340
If you know and love the Lord and you're following him, cool, you're done.
00:42:30.640
And so I have a lot of empathy for people who are even up into the high levels of witchcraft
00:42:40.620
and in covens and whatnot, because the, the ritual abuse survivors that I talked to, their
00:42:45.860
handlers went through what they went through and their handlers went through what they went
00:42:51.420
And so it doesn't mean I'm going to show up at a coven meeting and start handing out
00:42:58.500
four spiritual law tracks and thinking that they're my friends.
00:43:01.300
I mean, I'm going to be smart about it, but my heart is there.
00:43:07.160
And so what I love about the trolls is they come on your site and it doesn't matter what
00:43:20.700
It doesn't matter what they say because the algorithm doesn't care what you say.
00:43:25.980
If you come on to my site and you comment, the algorithm thinks you've enjoyed that comment.
00:43:33.700
Maybe all your friends will enjoy, you've enjoyed that reel.
00:43:37.780
So if all the, if every comment that I got on social media was from the choir saying, you're
00:43:46.020
I loved your book, you know, and believe me, I appreciate that.
00:43:50.500
But what I'm saying is all that would do would be to continue to spread my message to people
00:43:57.880
So when the trolls come in and they start a firestorm in my, my, my, my comment section,
00:44:05.240
it gives my content to their address book, which I, I otherwise never would have gotten
00:44:12.440
And you know what, you might think this is stupid and 90% of the people who follow you
00:44:18.480
might think this is stupid, but you never know what new ager or what psych medium or
00:44:23.880
what person dabbling in witchcraft or astral projecting.
00:44:27.040
You don't know that one person in your group that's on board with you isn't asking questions.
00:44:32.960
And all of a sudden then they get my contact and they're emailing me and we're having conversations
00:44:41.600
So it's upon me every day to firmly remind myself that my identity is rooted in Jesus
00:44:51.080
I am created in his image and I have a glorious future and I can deal just like I have dealt
00:45:00.820
I can deal with mean people and whether they realize it or not, uh, they are helping me
00:45:10.180
get my message out of the Christian, the Christian choir box and into the, the suggested files
00:45:18.860
of, of all these people who would never otherwise give me the time of day.
00:45:22.360
So you have to have a thick skin and that's part of my prayer every day.
00:45:26.880
Um, literally, you know, we all talk about putting on the armor of God and the helmet
00:45:31.720
of salvation and the breastplate of righteous, um, part of that armor you got to put on every
00:45:39.940
Um, and half the stuff out there, I don't know.
00:45:44.660
You don't even know if you're dealing with a human being half the time anymore, but I can
00:45:49.420
honestly tell you, um, I empathize with the trolls because I was one of them for about 25 to
00:45:55.120
30 years and, um, and I understand that regardless of what they're typing, something about my content
00:46:07.520
And even if their response was anger, fear, or mockery, something resonated with them that
00:46:16.220
And of the thousands of things we scroll through every day, every week, I hardly ever comment
00:46:24.740
And so if someone is taking the time to comment, I just take the more philosophical view of,
00:46:34.160
I'm looking at the fact that you took the time, something resonated.
00:46:40.080
And so it actually becomes a form of encouragement to me.
00:46:42.880
Like, okay, a seed has been planted and they don't know it that because how many times you guys,
00:46:47.520
I know this used to happen to me, especially in my youth, someone would come to me and they would
00:46:50.700
say something that challenged my understanding of scripture or my interpretation.
00:46:56.040
And, you know, you want to write the 10 page letter with all the Bible verses and prove them wrong and
00:47:00.420
But there were a lot of times that it was that thing that stuck in my head that 10 years later,
00:47:11.900
I had this knee jerk, arrogant, little, you know, 18 year old.
00:47:16.260
I've been to church my whole life response, but they actually were right.
00:47:23.060
So anyway, that's kind of my little, that's my little take on trolls.
00:47:27.540
I'm not saying I like being insulted because, you know, nobody does.
00:47:30.940
And on a bad day, you know, some things can hurt, obviously.
00:47:34.200
But I really do think that the reels and things where I get the most negative comments on are
00:47:44.660
the reels that are, you know, getting five digits of hits.
00:47:53.240
If you're going to, if you're going to, number one, if you're going to speak the truth and,
00:47:57.480
you know, there's something to be said about whether or not you're wrong.
00:47:59.920
But if you're going to speak what you believe is the truth, it's going to, people are going
00:48:06.140
It's only if you have like these lukewarm takes that nobody's going to, they're going
00:48:10.700
And so, you know, on the other side of things, I've been a troll in a really major way on Twitter
00:48:18.120
for the past year and a half, two years, really major way.
00:48:21.940
The problem is, is that like, we're, we're putting stuff out on the internet and we're casting
00:48:26.280
a wide net because we want people to see what we're saying.
00:48:29.200
And then you come back and some of the people that do come back are these trolls and some
00:48:35.760
And some of them, if I see you're a real, like if I see that this is a person and nothing
00:48:40.420
really bothers me, but I am going to find what bothers you because it's like, like you,
00:48:46.240
you threw me into the lion's den, but I'm a lion and like, I'm a bigger lion.
00:48:55.380
It's not good for me though, because I don't need to do that all the time.
00:49:00.300
Here's how it has been good for me though, is, you know, you, you, you engage in verbal
00:49:07.400
And all it is, is it's trying to provoke, you know, or it is constantly provoking these
00:49:13.900
That's the truth of the matter is until you, until you get used to it, it's constantly this
00:49:22.020
It's the wrong spirit to be in, but eventually once I engage with it enough, I realized that
00:49:28.040
it's constantly calling me to react and I am given a choice every single time.
00:49:33.180
And I could just, because I respond to you now, it doesn't mean anything.
00:49:36.560
It doesn't mean that I'm, I'm wrapped up emotionally in this thing.
00:49:39.880
Um, what I've started to do now is where people come for me.
00:49:42.660
I'll just kind of lay down in front of them, like, go on, take a bite.
00:49:47.880
And you know, maybe if they make a joke about me, I'll make a joke about me and I'll see
00:49:53.240
And what it's, I would have never gotten to this place had I not been in the crowd swinging
00:50:01.020
Eventually you get tired of doing it and these people will still come.
00:50:04.800
It's just the nature of having a platform, right?
00:50:06.560
Like you said, Vicky, it's like, sometimes you make a reel and it does like five digits
00:50:09.900
and you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do?
00:50:12.780
No, um, I've engaged with it enough now that I can just kind of, I know that there's no,
00:50:23.680
And now I've got this kind of new mode that I've been in.
00:50:26.560
I've been testing it out recently where I'll just go, if you make fun of me, I'll make fun
00:50:34.960
Let's talk, you know, and kind of see how that goes.
00:50:37.320
And I don't know, I think it's been, it's been working out.
00:50:40.000
Um, it's trained me to get to this very moment where lately I've been completely enamored
00:50:55.660
You, a thing is thrown at you and you can choose something that aligns with fear, which
00:50:59.860
is defending yourself, which is fighting, which is becoming reactive and, and resentful
00:51:04.480
and angry, or you can, uh, choose faith, which is what is there to worry about?
00:51:10.400
If God's got me and God has a plan and I'm in that plan, then I have nothing to fear.
00:51:15.060
And therefore I can react to this moment in that spirit instead, which, you know, does
00:51:21.400
tend to, um, I guess, you know, bear better fruit.
00:51:24.420
Uh, but I, I think I'm just kind of retarded and I would have never learned that had I not
00:51:29.420
gone through the gambit that I've gone through in the past two years, where now my, my reputation
00:51:33.900
on, on Twitter is almost exclusively, you know, this troll, but what it, what it now
00:51:38.160
does is it takes this audience that I've garnered and, and I can show them something different
00:51:43.620
where it's like, yeah, you know, I can do that.
00:51:47.400
And I can say all the things and I can say it with my face and my real name on the internet.
00:51:53.420
I've gone viral to the tune of 18, 19 million, all this crazy crap.
00:51:58.400
Um, but I don't have to stay there and I can show you something a little bit different
00:52:07.500
I like to think that he's used me to get the audience and then show them something a little
00:52:14.600
But, um, you know, in all of this fear versus faith stuff, uh, especially what we went through
00:52:21.980
recently, I had a bit of a moment where I was, uh, I was honestly, I was smoking, uh, weed.
00:52:29.760
I was smoking quite a bit of weed and I was doing it at night and I've been trapped by
00:52:37.380
And it really doesn't number anybody who smokes regularly will tell you that it doesn't number
00:52:45.360
When I was a young man, I used to get really wild messages in my dreams.
00:52:51.480
And, um, so I was given an opportunity recently where my wife booked a cruise, which was a
00:52:58.240
horrible experience, but I knew that I wasn't going to be able to bring weed on this cruise.
00:53:03.200
This was all around the same time that all this is going on.
00:53:05.620
We're, we're, you know, setting up for Bohemian Grove.
00:53:12.940
I'm going to use this five days on this cruise where I'm not going to be able to smoke to
00:53:17.760
then also be able to come home afterwards and continue not smoking.
00:53:21.360
So I, you know, flushed all my weed down the toilet and then we left for the cruise.
00:53:26.060
And then I went five days and then I came back and I've been free of it ever since.
00:53:29.980
And, and so as soon as that happens and I returned from the cruise, I get, I don't even
00:53:35.200
know what you would call them like visions or messages in my dreams over and over and
00:53:40.620
One of them, there's a dog that's been hounding me through this journey in the woods and, you
00:53:46.460
know, by moonlight and this thing is tattered and it's messed up and it's bleeding and
00:53:53.500
And I turned to it and I realized it's time to put the dog down and I sink this dagger
00:54:00.060
into its side and it, and it's at peace with this.
00:54:03.720
It sits down and it just bleeds out and it looks calm and happy.
00:54:07.520
And I realized, you know, that I'm able to continue my journey.
00:54:10.480
I think this dog represented this spirit that had me for a long time.
00:54:15.700
And I had done battle with it for a long time, but I had never put it down, you know?
00:54:23.740
And then from then on out, it's like dream after dream after dream.
00:54:28.040
When I told you about that dream that I had, the audience is going to roll their eyes right
00:54:32.320
now because they've heard this one so many times, but about sharing in that spirit.
00:54:36.240
I believe that I spoke with Satan and I was on, interestingly enough, a ship probably
00:54:48.400
He's older and I have this impression from him that he is ancient and vampiric in nature.
00:54:54.700
And there are other people surrounding him that I understand are sharing in this vampiric
00:55:03.440
And he's even like mildly remorseful about him, his behavior and his, you know, bringing
00:55:12.640
And he's very aware that his fate is in the ocean.
00:55:19.960
So he's, he's looked over the edge of this ship that we're on into these chaotic stormy
00:55:27.980
And I, and I know somehow that that is his fate.
00:55:30.880
And he knows that, and these other people are going there with him.
00:55:37.060
Honestly, I was remember chatting him up and just getting this like charm from him.
00:55:42.020
And, uh, and, but he is a little bit bummed out that I don't share in this spirit with
00:55:47.540
And I understand that if I do, if I choose to do that, I'm going in there, there's like
00:55:51.960
a floozy woman and a couple of other characters, and they're going in those chaotic waters as
00:55:59.040
And, um, and I know that I don't, but if I should, that's where I go.
00:56:04.760
And, and I, when I wake up from it, I'm in the throes during this time of a lot of things
00:56:11.120
calling me to engage in the spirit of anger and resentment, but justifiably so, because
00:56:19.180
I believe that I was in the right, which is a very sneaky thing, right?
00:56:22.320
Because when you believe that you're vindicated and you're the one who resides in the truth
00:56:25.680
and somebody trespasses against you, then you might give into that spirit.
00:56:30.180
And I felt that it was a, a, a prophetic, like a, not a prophet.
00:56:33.820
I don't know if I'm even using that word correctly.
00:56:35.460
I don't know what half of the words I use mean, but I, I felt as though it was a warning,
00:56:40.820
uh, to not engage in that spirit, uh, because you know, that's where you end up.
00:56:46.900
You end up in the same place that this ancient vampiric spirit is going.
00:56:51.780
And everybody who shares in that, uh, spirit with him.
00:56:54.480
So, um, that being said, Vicki, dreams are something dreams and visions.
00:57:00.500
They, they come up constantly in the Bible and we kind of look at those things as being
00:57:05.540
things of the past, but even in the book of revelation, it says your young men will, uh,
00:57:09.960
dream dreams and your, and your old men will have visions or something of that nature.
00:57:14.880
And, um, and I think that we, in this materialistic paradigm that we're in, in the West, we dismiss
00:57:21.060
them as like, you know, strictly psychological happenings, your, your mind unpacking the
00:57:28.020
And it happens in various symbols and, uh, nothing to be concerned about, but I don't
00:57:32.240
think that, I don't think that that's the truth.
00:57:34.140
Um, can you talk a little bit about dreams and their importance?
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My interest in reading about dreams from like a scientific perspective started when I was
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Uh, I remember being in fifth grade and being at the public library with my mom and finding
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And, uh, interestingly, and you guys, this was back in the early eighties.
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In the juvenile section of the public library, most of those books on dreams, unbeknownst to
00:58:12.360
my naive little 10 year old brain, we're teaching you how to lucid dream and astral project.
00:58:20.320
And what's, what's very fascinating though, is I started reading these books and I still
00:58:26.120
And, uh, a year or two ago, I looked it up and I found it on an online used bookstore and
00:58:37.260
I reread this little book on dreams that I had read as a 10 year old and I couldn't
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believe how many of the things that I have studied, researched and believed to be true
00:58:51.520
I originally picked up in that book, I was reading and going, that's where I got that
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I couldn't believe how much of it I had subconsciously retained that had come from that book.
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Um, but what was fascinating is because I didn't know what I was doing.
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Um, and this is a different book and it was a book talking about lucid dreaming.
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And so it was like every night before you go to bed, um, as you drift off to sleep, say
00:59:17.260
I can fly, I can fly, I can fly because flying is like the totem.
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So if you're flying in a dream, that should trigger the, that, like, I must be in a dream
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And I remember doing it two or three nights and nothing happened.
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And then the third or fourth night, now keep in mind, I'm 10 years old, right?
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In the dream, the fourth night, I'm in the glass elevator from the Willy Wonka book.
00:59:48.740
You know how the very end of the book is, um, they shoot out into the sky in, in this,
00:59:58.340
Um, we went into this elevator and it shot through the, and so we were like careening
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And I, I don't believe that I went lucid at that point.
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Like, I don't believe in my little 10 year old brain.
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I'm like, Oh, I'm having a dream and now I can do whatever I want.
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No, for some reason, the dream terrified me and I woke up and I very explicitly heard in
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Um, and then come to find out years and years later, like, Oh my goodness.
01:00:38.160
Like I was being groomed into that as a 10 year old, but this is how I want Christians
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to understand that your, your highly protected homeschooled child, even if you are monitoring
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what they're watching on TV and you're, you know, you got the parental controls on their
01:01:06.840
They know how to communicate with us in whatever means possible.
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And even if you think that you are removing every single possible communication portal in
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your home, these things can still find your kids.
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It can be in their thought life, their fantasies.
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It can be things that they think they could just hear a teacher say something at school
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Um, I will give you one example of someone I spoke to as a young child in an extremely conservative
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So if I heard something and I didn't understand what it meant, I went to my parents, what does
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And then they'd say, we'll tell you when you're older, you know?
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And so, um, this kid lives in an extremely biblical, godly home.
01:02:05.180
They were watching a religious television program with a preacher and the preacher said something
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about pornography and this child was so young that he didn't know what that word meant.
01:02:32.420
So, um, obviously this is, these were parents that had a very close eye on their kids and
01:02:40.980
So I just don't want, um, again, I guess the theme that we keep coming back to is we have
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We have to understand that just because you are good and kind and pure and ethical and
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moral and biblical doesn't mean that as soon as you set foot outside of your door, and in some
01:03:05.920
Welcome to toplobster.com, the ultimate middle finger to people who hate you anyway.
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Do you want to turn their mild annoyance into a full blown meltdown?
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I'm talking about offensive off the page comments that scream, you can't censor me.
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I'd apologize, but I don't think you'd believe me.
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We push all the buttons, we cross all the lines, we dot all the I's, and we live in that
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sweet spot where your style and your words hit like a sledgehammer on the head of your
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So why play it safe when you can blow it up entirely?
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Go to toplobster.com, grab a shirt, grab a hoodie, grab a sweater, that'll make your family
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Because if they hate you already, you might as well give them something spectacular to complain
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We are dealing with a lot of things and people that are full of very subtle, very clever deception.
01:04:30.740
And we have to take, you know, be sober-minded and vigilant.
01:04:34.600
I'm going to go to church and I'm going to read my Bible.
01:04:36.500
Like being sober-minded and vigilant basically means you're in battle.
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You know, what soldier on the battlefield has his gun unloaded or has the safety on and
01:04:55.920
And so if you're a soldier on the battlefield, being sober-minded and vigilant, being prepared
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means that gun is no safety, it's locked and loaded, it's up, you're looking, you're flanked
01:05:08.460
Like we are shying away in our day and age from the military metaphors that are in scripture
01:05:20.840
I mean, on social media, I don't even think we have to say things like pew, pew.
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Um, if you break down a lot of the allegory and the metaphors in scripture, the words being
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used in scripture, like even the great commission, go into all the world and preach the gospel.
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And if you really break down the metaphors and the analogies that are using in scripture,
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um, it's not rainbows and pancakes and glitter, you guys, it's war terminology.
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It's, it's about vigilance and it's about weapons of our warfare.
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Putting on armor, putting on the full armor of God.
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The battle is not against flesh and blood in Ephesians 6, 12.
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Like, uh, but you can't talk about that because Jesus apparently was a pacifist hippie who
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walked around in sandals, just like spreading his message of love, you know, and I'm not
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I'm mocking people's watered down one dimensional interpretation of who first century Jesus was.
01:06:34.920
And if we understood the culture and the context of a lot of what's going on in the
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new Testament, a lot of the things that Jesus is saying in English, you know, we read it
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all in our little British accents and he just sounds so calm.
01:06:48.220
If you understood the stuff he was saying, you know, we were talking earlier about being
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Jesus was trolling the mess out of those high priests and those, those, um, calling them
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whitewashed tombs and not everyone of Abraham is Abraham.
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What he's basically saying is I know exactly who you are.
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You got all these people fooled, but I know who you are.
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You're doing a thing where we have these synchronicities on this show.
01:07:15.440
Top, he said the exact same thing about like the King James version and how the, the language
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And so it sounds like flowery and it sounds, um, I don't know, it takes the edge off of
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And he was even talking about, uh, calling them tombs and, and, you know, uh, filled with
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I mean, that was just, that was literally just yesterday.
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This is why like, it kind of like the previous conversation we just had about trolling where
01:07:45.440
I realize, um, a lot of the things I say, especially written things.
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I'm very careful what I say on Twitter and it doesn't seem like it cause it seems wild,
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but every word is crafted and put next to the other, depending on the intention that I'm
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And a lot of this, a lot of the intention, sometimes when I'm trolling these people, yeah,
01:08:06.740
you brood of vipers is a crazy, it's a crazy line to say to people.
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But when you're, when you're wordsmithing and you're putting these words together, you
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can build somebody up or you can cut them down.
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And I've gotten very good at that and cutting somebody down is, uh, brutal.
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And I think sometimes people like some of the, some of these people really need that, like
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not just, not just like the common person, but like you're talking about the politician,
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the guy who, you know, created the legislation to lock you down.
01:08:35.580
It was like, I'm going to say the thing to you.
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And it's fun too, within Twitter or X or whatever, where it's like, now you have these
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So it's like, I have to be creative and I'm going to be very creative and, and weave my
01:08:52.280
And I like many people, Jordan Peterson has blocked me because of the things I said to
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And it's never been, I still have my account, so it's never been overly crazy, but they
01:09:03.960
So yeah, I'm like when, when I'm older and I'm reading some of the things that Jesus
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was saying to the Pharisees, I'm like, damn, that's crazy.
01:09:12.820
And it says someone's face to say it is even more crazy.
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You might as, it would have been better to just slap them.
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It's not, um, there's something to be said too, about what, what you're doing top where
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it's like, you are accurately and, and, you know, viciously in some ways describing who
01:09:32.580
a person is or what they've done and that's, that's comedy and that's comedy, but it's
01:09:38.100
It's, it's, you're not going out and saying, I hope that you never know the father.
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I hope that your family X, Y, and Z, like none of that is happening.
01:09:48.380
So we were talking yesterday about blessings and curses and what that actually means.
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Um, and, and this idea of speaking spiritually ill about someone in the hopes that they remain
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It's like, ultimately, I hope that all of these people find that Jesus Christ is the
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Um, but there that's different from identifying the thing that you've done and what you've
01:10:13.040
become and what you are in this moment and saying it in such a way that it, you know,
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The truth has a way of cutting like a knife, uh, but that is different from wishing ill
01:10:26.580
And I don't, I got to word this for real carefully, even though I'll probably be misunderstood
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But, um, I, what, what we're talking about here isn't, I'm not giving Christians license
01:10:37.900
to be jerks, nor am I saying, you know, Hey, Jesus was a jerk.
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We're supposed to love our enemies and we're supposed to turn our other cheek, et cetera,
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If you culturally and contextually understood who Jesus was talking to and what he was saying,
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his interaction with the high priests is what killed him.
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Now on a theological level, he laid down his life on his own accord.
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It was going to happen regardless of what means it happened.
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But those high priests hated his guts because every time they opened their mouths, he made
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And yet he didn't do that to the common man, the sinners, the adulterers, you know, that
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the people who came to him, he had all this compassion on and there's layers of why that's
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The common people, the deplorables who've been lied to, where the scriptures have been
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distorted and we've been hearing a false gospel our whole life.
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He had, he has compassion on the deplorables because we don't know what we don't know.
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And the reason why he was so aggressive with those high priests and, and the hierarchy and
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the elites is because they knew and they were choosing to be deceptive.
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And so it was a different layer of accountability there.
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And, and we know that there were elite people who were receptive or curious.
01:12:23.320
Um, we, we know, uh, was it, was it, no, not Caiaphas, the high priest that came to him
01:12:28.400
in the middle of the night, kind of incognito Nicodemus, Nicodemus.
01:12:33.880
And, um, even the centurion, the Roman centurion who said, surely this was the, the son of God.
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I'm, my research hasn't convinced me a hundred percent that this is true, but I have read that
01:12:52.000
the, the military officer in the book of Acts where Peter sees the vision of the sheet and
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he goes and he kind of illegally speaks to the Gentile.
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Um, I've read research again, I'm not a hundred percent convinced that that first Gentile convert
01:13:12.080
in the book of Acts, um, could have been the centurion that was at the, at the cross.
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So he had had this moment of realization, but this isn't open to me.
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And then he becomes an integral piece of the story later.
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So I don't know if it's true or not guys, but it, it is, um, this, despite whether it's
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the same guy or not, this guy in Acts was a somewhat in the employ of the government.
01:13:46.480
And so I think sometimes we, we think that these super high ranking elites are beyond
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And I do believe some of them might be if they're not fully human or if it's an infiltration,
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But, um, I, I do think that we have severely misunderstood and underestimated what the mercy
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Um, it's not just gang members and mafia members and serial adulterers and gigolos that he, you
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Um, when you get into the nitty gritty, even of, you know, a lot of the people that I speak
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to who are coming out of ritual abuse and things, these are people from generational bloodlines
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that you would think Jesus would never have compassion on this, on this bloodline.
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And yet we see him choosing people out of these bloodlines.
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And I think that when it says in scripture that Jesus is going to have a representation
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before his throne of every tongue and every tribe, every bloodline, um, there's going to
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I just, I, I just don't know how accurate our little pea brain understandings of Jesus
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Like we, we have all these things where, Oh, he's the son of God and he died on the cross
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And, you know, we have these broad stroke, you know, things that we've learned since Sunday
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school, but he was an extremely complicated human being.
01:15:46.120
And, um, you know, he came the first time he came, he had a purpose.
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And I think where a lot of people are going to get confused inside and outside of the church
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is that when he comes a second time, it's not going to be hippie Jesus.
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I'm saying that's what the church has made him into.
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But what I'm saying is when you read the descriptions in revelation, where this guy comes back on,
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on a white horse with a sword, um, first century, Jesus is not the Jesus that's coming back again.
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And that's why a lot of people are not going to recognize the real Jesus.
01:16:32.440
Cause they're going to be looking for the hippie and the antichrist is going to be exactly what
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And I think the real Jesus is going to be very offensive to a lot of people, especially in our
01:16:44.180
culture where we're, we're making a point now to reshape the collective conscious that men who are
01:16:52.480
aggressive or competent or, or leaders, they're all, you know, all this toxic masculinity and the
01:17:01.560
mansplaining and all of these movements. Um, they're doing that very intentionally because
01:17:08.120
when the real ancient of days comes back in mortal flesh, he is going to be everything that this
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culture has taught you to hate in a man, because he's, he's going to be displaying a masculinity that
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is in your estimation, toxic. It's all very intentional what they're doing.
01:17:28.640
So I think, so that's a man, what's the chapter here? 19. Yeah. Obviously revelation 19, but that's
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verse 15 from his mouth comes a sharp sword, uh, which with, with which to strike down the nations
01:17:42.180
from his mouth is what I was just talking about. And I'm, I'm using the words because not like, uh,
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because I'm familiar with the Bible, but I'm using them because I'm familiar with what they do.
01:17:50.880
When you use the words in a certain way, it's like, yeah, I can cut you. It can be cut really
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badly. Unfortunately for me, I think sometimes it's misguided, but what, what Jesus seems to have
01:18:03.260
been doing, like after reading, you reread, uh, his, his little conflict with the Pharisees, a little
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conflict, um, in the temple. And it's like, it's very similar to when God is speaking. It was like
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Psalm 82. He's speaking to the Elohim and he's judging them. Or when God is, uh, he judges the
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Kings. He asked the Kings questions and then he asked the, uh, the entities above them. He doesn't
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ask them anything. He just tells them. And it's like, damn, every time he, every time God is talking
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to, uh, principalities, entities, angels, whatever. It's like, that's that. And, and it's over and it's a
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sharp sword from, from their mouth. There's a judgment. But when he's talking to humans, you know,
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no matter which bloodline, it's always questions. It's always Adam and Eve. He's like, you know,
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what did you do? These are what you did. Who told you this? Where are you? But he's talking with them
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and there's a, there's a discourse. There's a reasonable discourse between them. So yeah, when you
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see fatherly energy. Yeah. It's just, it seems like after reading that, like back and forth with the
01:19:12.360
Pharisees, like Jesus, wasn't talking to them. He was judging them. He was condemning them.
01:19:17.380
And, but was he condemning the people or the ideology behind it? Because that's a lot of the
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times, like when I'm trying to address these people, if someone's attacking me, like you'll
01:19:28.940
attack me on a, something stupid. You'll call me Brown with, you know, whatever hair. And I go,
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okay. And I cut right underneath. What's the, what's, what are you sitting on your ideology?
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And I just pull that from you and it crumbles. And then they, then they freak out. And then I have
01:19:45.040
a little fun with them, which is just my fun. But it's, it seems like that's what, like when,
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when you're judging an ideology, this, whether it be leftism or even conservatism to a certain point,
01:19:57.340
you're like, you're looking directly at something that's not human. It's something that humans are
01:20:02.400
acting on or under. And I'm like, well, I'm going to break that. Yeah. It's moving them. Yeah. And I'm
01:20:08.880
moved by it too, like by certain things, because I'm human as well. So I'm not going to be like,
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oh, I'm, I'm above all this, but like, I recognize it in a way. And I was never able to verbalize it,
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I suppose. But like, that's kind of what's going on here. I could see how it could be perceived as
01:20:23.860
bad or harsh, but Hey, you know, I've been in that place too recently where I'm like, you know,
01:20:29.740
you've seen some of my tweets where I made a tweet recently where I said, God wants me to stop being
01:20:33.980
mean on X, which is like, you know, it's a little bit of a joke, but it's also like,
01:20:39.260
I'm trying to find that place. Right. Because if I'm going to pursue the truth,
01:20:44.040
well, then it's always going to ruffle feathers. And if I'm going to speak the truth, well,
01:20:48.780
then it's always going to ruffle feathers. But how do I engage in that place where I remain there
01:20:56.420
instead of once again, feeling vindicated because I believe that I'm, I'm speaking the truth.
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So when you come against me, I'm then allowing myself to give into that, that other spirit.
01:21:08.900
Right. And I think that that's where you're constantly tempted is because of that vindication,
01:21:15.900
because of, of feeling justified in, in your position, then you might just lean over and go,
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yeah, we'll, we'll do a little anger and resentment. We'll do a little bit of, uh, you know,
01:21:26.320
cutting a person down. So you have to, it's, it's not an easy walk, right? We're tops like,
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you know, and then I have my fun and it's like, you know, maybe, but where, where in that do I,
01:21:37.600
I'm just trying to be brutally aware of when I'm walking in one spirit versus the other. And,
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and I think that it would make sense if you're going to be a truth teller that you would be at
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the cutting edge of that temptation constantly. And I think that that's where we find ourselves.
01:21:55.300
Here, here's kind of where I'm at with it. After three years of navigating, I've only been on social
01:22:00.440
media for about three years. I was never on it before. And so here's kind of where I'm at with
01:22:05.820
it. So if someone right out of the gate, isn't even interacting with the content, it's just an
01:22:12.960
insult. It's just like the paint chips or the tinfoil hat or a remark about the way I look.
01:22:18.300
I feel at that point that I've already won the argument because it's you, you don't resort to
01:22:24.600
insults until the, you have nothing else to say. Right. So as soon as someone, if it's just an
01:22:29.960
insult, it's like, okay, well, I already won the argument. So I don't even have to engage because
01:22:33.540
you, you don't even have the wherewithal to explain to me, this is what I don't like about your content.
01:22:42.200
And this is why, because, so if it goes straight to the insult, I've already won. So I don't have to
01:22:46.240
even raise a sword. I move on. Now, when it comes to someone who's like articulate, I don't like
01:22:53.840
this. And this is why when I engage and I don't always engage, it depends on what I do. And this
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is to avoid the temptations you're talking about Raven, because I come from a long history of using
01:23:10.040
my gifts of articulation to rip people to shreds. Like my sarcasm. I mean, there are so many comments
01:23:19.120
where I'm like, Oh man, it's such a perfect line, but I'm like, so then I, I preach to myself and I
01:23:26.400
say a gentle answer turns away wrath. Okay. I take a deep breath. What I do when I respond to the people
01:23:34.380
who are arguing theologically with me, right? Cause I think those are the only arguments worth having
01:23:40.440
is, is, you know, if you have an interpretation of the scripture wrong, even if you're only that far
01:23:47.480
off, the trajectory is you're going to be a light year off if you keep using that as your foundation.
01:23:52.460
So there's things I think that are worth correcting and you don't have to be rude or mean to, to do that.
01:23:59.360
And so the way that I avoid the temptation to be sarcastic is instead of having a conversation
01:24:12.540
with the person who actually left the comment, I think in my mind, there's going to be a permanent
01:24:19.020
record of this conversation that might be more meaningful to the people who come later and read
01:24:25.360
it than the act. Cause the person who's commenting is already closed minded. They're already not
01:24:30.740
probably going to listen or have their mind changed. You're already dealing with someone
01:24:33.940
whose mind is shut. But if I'm someone who comes, you know, three weeks later and I have it in my head
01:24:42.160
that all Christians are stupid and unscientific and mean and judgmental. And every Christian I've ever
01:24:49.240
met has just been rude and, and arrogant and I'm reading an argument and the Christian is ignoring
01:24:57.680
the insults, being kind, laying out exactly in scripture, why that's true. And this is what the
01:25:05.040
Greek means. And that becomes a testimony to the people who come after, wow, this, this Christian
01:25:14.000
actually has read the Bible. She's actually saying that not because some pastor told her it. She's
01:25:20.420
actually done some research. Oh, she's not being a total jerk. Um, man, she's not reacting when,
01:25:26.580
when they're, they're insulting her and stuff. So that really helps me to avoid getting into my flesh
01:25:33.000
and being sarcastic because it isn't about me and that person. It's about the people that come later,
01:25:38.760
whose maybe hearts aren't hard and whose minds aren't closed. Can I represent Jesus Christ in a
01:25:45.800
way that is going to make me proud on judgment day for how I dealt with the lost? So, but, but isn't
01:25:54.280
that crazy guys, how we have to go through this whole philosophical sort of, you know, hoop jumping
01:26:01.200
to even just respond to someone who's really only just wanted to be mean. They're not looking for
01:26:06.360
answers. They, they just want to, you know, and another thing that really helps me is
01:26:11.080
because social media is just this massive mosh pit, uh, where someone says something and moves on
01:26:20.400
pretty much 10 seconds after they've left that comment, they're never even going to remember
01:26:25.680
they typed that. Yeah. So I figure it's already forgotten by you and everyone who's read it. So
01:26:32.180
I'm not going to keep bringing it up. It is a, it's a good practice on, on letting things go.
01:26:38.960
Um, you know, if, if that's the kind of learner that you are, uh, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm kind
01:26:45.860
of a hard learner. So I have to go through a thing instead of just like reading the wisdom in it,
01:26:50.020
I've got to engage in it and then actually see the, the thing in its function. And I I've gotten
01:26:55.760
much better now at like, um, you know, as, as far as like forgiving people and not only because I've
01:27:02.100
gone through all of that, but, uh, it is an interesting thing because it's just text on
01:27:07.620
the internet. And, uh, for me, it's, it's, it's taught me quite a bit. Uh, but for other people who
01:27:13.940
have been teaching me this lesson, they probably don't even remember it. So the weird, yeah.
01:27:18.900
The weird thing is, is that like a lot of the pushback that we've gotten from people,
01:27:22.900
good people around us be like, Hey man, that's crazy what you're saying. And I'm just like,
01:27:27.620
I know. Uh, but then I turn and I'm like, but look at what it's built. Very strange. Yeah. Like,
01:27:35.300
uh, that now I have to, now I got to deal with that. You know, um, it's built this, uh, group of
01:27:42.380
this, there's a core group of people, like a hundred of them that are really solid. And when I, I,
01:27:48.820
I watched what they do and you see how they're changing and growing, they're still crazy,
01:27:53.820
but like, we're picking up retarded people, uh, on the way. And like, this person's a real
01:28:00.940
crazy one. And then a while, like after a while, like the community, they, they kind of like fixed
01:28:06.540
themselves, but otherwise, like they, like, I don't know, like they wouldn't be attracted to.
01:28:11.580
Yeah. Uh, normal, but no, here they are. So, but I'm like, I also realized I'm like, this is,
01:28:18.500
this takes a toll. Like, I don't, I don't like this thing. Yeah. But, but that is that we've,
01:28:23.820
we've bought in people that I, that otherwise wouldn't have been reached. And I think everybody
01:28:27.820
has the ability to do that, reach somebody who somebody else can't reach. And we've done that
01:28:32.220
at scale and, and brought these people in and then, yeah, watch their transformation along,
01:28:37.180
along with our own transformation. I like to think that we've become a bit wiser over the last
01:28:41.480
few years. And, and we see that reflected in the community and, and what are we all ultimately
01:28:46.780
pointing towards? We're all pointing towards Jesus Christ, which I think is probably the reason
01:28:51.720
that we've all become a little bit wiser, uh, over these past few years, but it is, it's weird because
01:28:58.400
the people who are good people who are correct, who are telling us like, look, this thing that you're
01:29:04.620
doing is really crazy. And it's, it is a corrosive. It can be very corrosive on the spirit. Um, it's like,
01:29:11.240
yeah, I, I agree. But then we turn back and we look at all these people that we dragged along with
01:29:15.840
us who are seemingly better for it. Um, and, and, and it didn't, it didn't kill us. Uh, you know,
01:29:22.880
we're still here and nobody's beyond redemption. Uh, so I don't know, it kind of feels like we did our
01:29:28.340
own kind of dipping a toe in the underworld to, to pull a couple of homies out with us and,
01:29:33.540
and then keep going. And so this, this show has had a very strange evolution. And I know that in the
01:29:38.440
beginning of it, um, you know, you were always kind enough to grace us with your presence and
01:29:43.740
come and have a conversation with us, but there's a lot of people and a lot of people did. And, and a
01:29:48.620
lot of those people still were like, geez, what are you guys doing over here? And, uh, and, and they
01:29:52.980
weren't, they weren't, I blocked out the curse word in the intro. I'm trying a little bit out guys.
01:29:58.140
We're getting better. We're getting better. Uh, I think honestly, that's been one of the,
01:30:02.440
the real, um, functions of this show is we've never been static. You know, this is, we've been
01:30:08.840
constantly evolving and growing and changing. And, um, and if you're being honest, then that's
01:30:14.440
going to happen. If you're, if you're setting out to like portray a character and do a bit,
01:30:18.580
well, then you can remain pretty static in that because instead of showing people who you really
01:30:22.900
are, you're showing people this like scarecrow of yourself. Um, but we've not done that. And so
01:30:28.340
one thing, regardless of whatever, you know, warnings we've had, um, we've always been very
01:30:35.840
genuine, exactly who we are in any given moment. And, uh, and we've allowed things I think to,
01:30:42.140
to change us, um, as we've gone, but, um, Vicki, we're, we're coming up on the hour and a half mark.
01:30:48.620
And I wanted to ask you a couple more questions in, in, in regards to dreams. Um, this might be for my
01:30:54.040
own, uh, understanding, but you know, you get a lot of things and, um, and not all of them feel
01:31:02.500
as important or as urgent in their warnings as other dreams or other visions potentially.
01:31:09.640
And I wonder if you have any advice or anything that you've gathered over the years on how to parse
01:31:15.940
these things out, how to categorize them, what is important. You know, when I tell you that I have a
01:31:22.160
dream about what seems to be the adversary and, and, and an understanding, a deeper understanding
01:31:27.560
of sharing in that spirit, that one seems right on the money for me. I don't think I have to
01:31:31.460
question that dream very much because the fruit that it bears is, is good. Right. But there's so
01:31:36.980
many other things that are like confusing and feel important, but feel cloudy. How do you go about
01:31:43.640
parsing these things out, making sense of them? Yeah. Oh, it's so mysterious. There's so many layers.
01:31:49.340
And even, you know, if you look in the scriptures, there were a lot of prophets who dream dreams and
01:31:55.760
they documented the dreams and they had no idea what they were talking about. And some of them
01:32:00.380
didn't even live to see the fulfillment. And then you've got other prophets, you know, like Isaiah,
01:32:04.820
Jeremiah, Ezekiel, where they, they're called, depending on what phrase you learned, they're called
01:32:11.060
already not yet prophecies or near far prophecies. And what it means is all of the prophecies in
01:32:19.220
those books had an immediate fulfillment. You know, the diaspora, for example, you know, like
01:32:25.980
Jeremiah talked about the two dispersions to Babylon and that already happened. But every verse,
01:32:33.060
Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, especially, they all have been fulfilled, but they're all going to be
01:32:43.920
fulfilled to the letter a second time when Jesus comes back. Right. So you've got these layers.
01:32:50.200
And so you have, you got guys like Jeremiah, where it's like, okay, I got a prophecy that we were going
01:32:55.200
to be, you know, hauled into Babylon and we got hauled into Babylon. So my prophecy came true and
01:32:59.840
it's all done. But Jeremiah, long after he died, he has no idea this is all going to happen again.
01:33:04.060
He, like a lot of these guys had no idea the depth of what they were writing or the layers of what they
01:33:09.420
were writing. And so like us, sometimes we have to realize like Daniel, when Daniel had all those
01:33:17.240
dreams and visions, he was physically ill. He was disturbed by that stuff. Poor John, oh my gosh,
01:33:27.620
on Patmos, he's seeing the heavens open and Jesus like a lamb slain on the throne and he's dropping
01:33:33.340
over like a dead man. I mean, these guys were not equipped. Even Peter, he had no idea what this
01:33:41.060
vision of the sheep meant. I'm not, he took it literally, you know, oh, I'm not eating a ham
01:33:46.500
sandwich. And Jesus is like, this has nothing to do with food. All you have to do is read the rest of
01:33:51.400
the chapter to realize that that vision had nothing to do with food. It had to do with this idea that
01:33:58.940
abominable people who were not part of the 12 tribes, they were not chosen. These pagan blood
01:34:08.480
drinking, child sacrificing pagans could now come into the kingdom of Yeshua. Are you kidding me? Like,
01:34:16.080
do you know how offensive that was to everyone at that time? And so, but people just look at it and
01:34:23.820
they, they, they reduce that whole entire mystery of the gospel being revealed for the first time
01:34:30.000
in all of human history. Salvation is open to the 70 nations of Nimrod's day. And we reduce that down
01:34:38.740
to whether or not we can eat a ham sandwich or not. It's so ridiculous. Like that's how simple-minded
01:34:42.800
we are. So with dreams, what is just a normal defragging of the brain processing stress and
01:34:53.060
what is perhaps a prophetic dream or a dream of the Lord? Um, and if it is prophetic, is it, is it for
01:35:01.060
me? Is it immediate? Is it something in the future? I have a couple dreams, two or three dreams that I've
01:35:06.760
had in my lifetime that I absolutely know have some sort of profound meaning. And to this day, I still have
01:35:12.240
no idea what they mean. And, um, I don't know if I talked to you guys about this before I call those my swing
01:35:18.060
away Meryl dreams, um, from the way of categorizing, isn't it? Isn't it? Um, I have no idea what this
01:35:25.760
means, but when the crap hits the fan and the alien is in front of me and there's a baseball bat behind
01:35:30.500
me, I'm going to know what that dream means. And so I don't need to know it now. Um, so there's that.
01:35:34.800
And then there are, you know, these astral dreams where you might not realize it, but
01:35:44.560
I've noticed that the official narrative on sleep paralysis online is starting to shift.
01:35:52.900
They used to just say like, Oh, it's this or that, or you ate the cosmic pizza before you went to bed.
01:35:57.720
Great deal because of, uh, because of your work, Vicki, I would say you've contributed to that
01:36:02.420
pretty substantially. Well, what's awesome is now they're saying that sleep paralysis,
01:36:09.980
in fact, this isn't new. They just haven't told you this. They say it begins in the REM cycle,
01:36:17.960
which is what I've been telling people. It starts in the dream. Like when you wake up in your bedroom
01:36:23.100
and you can't move, that's the tail end of a much longer experience that you may or may not
01:36:27.340
remember. And, and so, um, if that is the case for you, that dream is something different. You are
01:36:36.920
being pulled out of your body into the astral realm. And so that dream, um, it's not just little
01:36:46.340
fragments of your, of your imagination or your brain defragging the hard drive at night and stuff.
01:36:51.300
And especially if you have access to your higher reasoning in your dreams, um, if you have a whole
01:36:59.160
thought process and you're thinking through things and you have that ability to operate on that grid
01:37:04.300
of deception, we're talking about, that's an indication that your dorsolateral prefrontal cortex
01:37:09.500
is switched on. And if it's switched on, you're awake because that shuts down in an REM cycle that,
01:37:15.680
that that's why we wake up rested because that higher functioning stuff gets to sleep for the night.
01:37:20.040
So if you wake up exhausted and all throughout your dreams, you've been reasoning and like,
01:37:25.620
I got to get away from this or, Hey, this might be, um, I might be in danger and in the name of
01:37:30.060
Jesus, wake me up. If you're, if you're using that kind of reasoning, you're not asleep. You, you,
01:37:37.240
you have access to that prefrontal cortex. You're awake because that shuts down in REM. And so
01:37:42.160
that's the stuff that my research primarily focuses on that state where we have to understand
01:37:47.720
what's a dream and what is astral, because in the astral you're encountering real beings and the
01:37:56.600
things that you're saying might be oaths or vows or agreements. Okay. And so I will give you an
01:38:04.580
example. Very recently, I came upon some additional information about my bloodline. I know that I'm,
01:38:12.760
I'm of a direct descendant of a very bad Royal bloodline. And I've, I've known that for a very
01:38:18.460
long time. Um, but in talking to a survivor, I, um, was shown that that bloodline was actually
01:38:26.040
birthed out of another bloodline from a thousand years prior. That was even worse than the one I
01:38:31.480
knew I was part of. So I sort of realized like, Oh man, deeper down the rabbit hole. So I spent,
01:38:37.220
um, hours, um, hours one afternoon renouncing all of that stuff. And I was praying and I was doing,
01:38:46.560
um, warfare. I have my guitar. I was, I was singing Psalms and I was calling down the hosts of heaven to
01:38:56.420
surround me. I was doing like song of Solomon prayers. Um, song of Solomon, huge. That's a whole
01:39:03.860
show right there. Um, I believe that song of Solomon is a warfare manual buried in the subtext
01:39:12.960
of a love poem. Um, there is amazing implications even about the dream world and the Pachad, the
01:39:20.900
terror by night, amazing book. It's, it's, it's too huge even going to now, but we were, we were just
01:39:27.800
looking at, uh, what is it? Uh, Fleetwood Mac and bands like that and how their songs are riddled with
01:39:36.840
like their love songs, but their love songs to, or written by the fallen or these other entities.
01:39:45.060
Yes. So I wonder if that is also a love song, but riddled with like a war manuscript because
01:39:51.440
there's something going on with that lady top aside on that, um, Rhiannon, which is one of her
01:39:56.580
hit songs. I happen to have the tab open in front of me. So I just want to say it, um, is apparently
01:40:02.360
it's, it's her, uh, stage persona, which is fascinating, but it's also a, you know, a Welsh
01:40:09.440
goddess. So there you go. I was kind of going through it yesterday. Like there's something else
01:40:16.000
really going on here with, um, with, uh, uh, Stevie Nicks for sure. And so it's just another
01:40:22.080
little piece. Yes. I want to say a little bit more about Song of Solomon, but I'm just to finish
01:40:27.660
up this, I spent, um, hours renouncing this stuff. And, um, after I was done, I immediately
01:40:38.060
fell asleep hard. It was like three 30 in the afternoon and I didn't wake up till the next day.
01:40:43.280
Like I fell asleep hard. And while I was asleep, I had a dream. And again, if we're not operating on
01:40:53.860
this grid of deception, we'll just think like, Oh, I'm just defragging or I'm dreaming about stress
01:40:58.160
or whatever in the dream. I was alone in a grocery store and I stole a thing of French vanilla coffee
01:41:07.380
creamer. And I'm walking out the door and I get busted and I get pulled into this back room in
01:41:13.800
the store. And there's a security guard kind of like cop guy. And then the owner of the store
01:41:18.340
and I'm getting interrogated. And I'm, I have all these emotions. I'm terrified. I have shame. I have
01:41:23.800
guilt. I'm, and I'm thinking, what, what were you thinking? Are you insane? Like it's five bucks. You
01:41:29.960
could have just bought it. And what, what were you thinking? So I'm, I'm freaking out and I'm begging for
01:41:35.340
mercy. And so finally they say, well, it's your first offense. So we're going to let you off the
01:41:39.560
hook. I'm like, okay, thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh. I'm so relieved. I'm so relieved.
01:41:42.960
So I walk out of that room with the weight of the world off of my shoulders. And now I'm alone in
01:41:48.420
this, in this grocery store again. And I steal it again. Couldn't resist. What? And what was so weird,
01:41:59.400
you guys is that when I took it, when the thought came into my head, like, just take
01:42:04.220
it again from the thought in my head to taking it again, this euphoric exhilaration came over
01:42:11.900
me like, Hey, yeah. And as soon as I get out the door, I'm like, Oh crap. Well crap. And
01:42:20.840
I'm literally thinking, and again, I had so much access to my, my higher reasoning. I'm thinking,
01:42:27.780
okay, I'm going to blame it on this person. And I'm starting to develop lies and ways that I can
01:42:34.720
like get out of it. And then I'm thinking, well, wait, they caught me the first time because it was
01:42:39.140
on security camera. So they're going to get all this on security camera. And I realized I was doomed.
01:42:43.420
So I walk home and I get into the house and my mom who's passed away in real life, there's another
01:42:49.560
glitch. There's another giveaway, right? Yeah. I said, okay, the only way I can cope with this is to just
01:42:57.220
confess and get it over with. And they're going to throw me in prison and all that. Why in the
01:43:01.980
dream, I thought I was going to be in prison the rest of my life for stealing coffee creamer, but
01:43:05.180
that whatever. So, um, I tell my mom, I stole it and, uh, you know, and my mom just says, Nick, why?
01:43:16.380
Why? Why'd you do that? And I said, my whole life, all I've known is anxiety and terror and I can't let
01:43:28.500
it go. So I woke up the next day and I remembered this dream and I was like, okay, better safe than
01:43:36.840
sorry. And I said, father, if that wasn't just a dream, if I was in some astral realm, if I actually
01:43:44.000
spoke out loud in some sort of real dimensional space to people listening, um, that I was receiving,
01:43:54.200
uh, an agreement to have anxiety and fear my whole life. Cause I can't cope without it. I reject that.
01:44:03.680
May those words fall to the ground. Um, Jesus, as my bridegroom, father, as my father in heaven,
01:44:11.460
advocate on my behalf and disavow me of these things that I said in the name of Jesus. And then
01:44:16.840
I did one better and I got my dad and my dad as, as my, you know, physical on this realm umbrella
01:44:24.660
of protection, will you pray? And he prayed against it, you know, on behalf of my daughter, I disavow her
01:44:30.040
of this, whatever. I'm always about the overkill guys, because I've been bothered with this stuff
01:44:33.860
my whole life and I'm just better safe than sorry. There you go. But all that to say that if we just
01:44:40.080
think everything's a dream, well, now I'm going to make it even more complicated guys. We can wake up
01:44:46.060
and have full blown memory of our dreams detailed down to the sight, sound, smell, all the senses.
01:44:52.880
We can write it in our little dream journal. It can be a good dream. It can be a bad dream.
01:44:58.280
What if that was just a screen memory? Right. Right. What if we wake up and that's what we
01:45:06.000
remember, but what if that was a screen memory and what really happened when we were asleep and
01:45:13.080
where we really were and what we were really doing and who we were really talking to is nowhere left in
01:45:18.740
our conscious mind, because this is what happens with the UAP abductees. Right. And I do think that
01:45:24.140
there is a lot of that same technology and the screen memories going on with sleep paralysis and
01:45:29.140
astral abductee. So when we take everything at face value, and this is where they really play on
01:45:37.560
the intelligence of these targeted individuals. If you've had these sleep paralysis and these astral
01:45:44.840
experiences your entire life, a lot of times people that are targeted, they're very, they're
01:45:53.400
empaths. They're very creative. They usually have very high IQs that may or may not play out in the
01:46:00.460
grades they get in school. I'm talking about a high intelligence quotient on discernment and other
01:46:07.140
things like that. So unfortunately what happens with a lot of us, because we do have high dream recall
01:46:12.700
and we are often lucid during these dreams. So we, we come back remembering every detail. So what ends up
01:46:18.620
happening is we start to have a high level of confidence in our dream recall. So if all we're recalling
01:46:28.820
is a screen memory, they still got us. Gotcha. Gotcha. I, something like, I'm not, I don't think we,
01:46:38.700
should we go deeper than like, cause there is that, uh, I don't know that now you're talking
01:46:43.680
about hypnosis to get to this regress dream. And that's, which is tricky, right? Not something I'd
01:46:49.180
like to do. I don't want to do that. Uh, but I mean, well, something changed for me. I don't know.
01:46:55.620
I guess it would have been a year ago where all of a sudden I became able and consistently still
01:47:01.780
to this day. I, there's been two dreams within a week. Wait, um, uh, geez, I'm having trouble
01:47:10.440
remembering the other one, but two, I believe two dreams within a week that I have called on. Oh,
01:47:15.120
I remember the other one, uh, the name of Jesus Christ, like in an elongated process. And it's the
01:47:20.360
last thing I do before I wake up. So I feel like, you know, he's always kind of sticking it out for me
01:47:24.520
and waking me up. But, um, something changed about a year ago where that started happening.
01:47:29.120
And there was three entities that I dealt with like back to back to back top. You remember these
01:47:33.540
dreams, right? So one of them was, uh, I, I think the first one that happened was I had a, a, a
01:47:39.880
lingering memory when I woke up from the dream that I was just in of this being made of light.
01:47:46.260
And, um, and I was in a sort of a state of paralysis and I ended up, um, first I was,
01:47:53.080
I remember panicking and then I remember calling on Jesus and, and, um, and then getting out of the
01:47:58.060
paralysis and then realizing that it worked and then mocking this thing to its face, like laughing
01:48:01.980
at its face and then waking up. Um, and then there was another one where I was in sort of a,
01:48:09.280
I think like a haunted house kind of a scenario is an old mansion. And this thing is a skinny black
01:48:15.520
demon, um, with huge horns, but it was like, otherwise like smooth and shiny and, and, and thin,
01:48:22.920
you know, but either way, um, and I am chasing that thing through this house, rebuking it in the
01:48:30.320
name of Jesus. And it's running from me. And then the third one is there's a crone, like an old hag.
01:48:36.180
I'm, I'm sat with two people. Um, you know, it's nighttime, I think. And they're in a car.
01:48:43.140
It looked like we were working on the car and all of a sudden they looked over and they're struck with
01:48:47.620
horror. And there's this crone standing by the fire. And it is, uh, uh, it's like horrifying.
01:48:55.280
It doesn't want me to look at it. And, but I'm like desperately trying to look at it. You know,
01:49:00.080
how in paralysis, like in your dreams is a huge physical struggle because your body is locked up.
01:49:06.000
Right. So I think it was kind of that. And I'm looking at this thing, but it doesn't want me to
01:49:10.120
look at it. But I know that if I look away, it's going to pop up in my face when I do look back,
01:49:16.140
you know, whatever. And it's so, there's so much fear that this thing is projecting. That's what I
01:49:21.340
feel. It's projecting it outwardly from itself that all of my vision is vibrating. And these guys
01:49:29.080
are locked in fear. And so everything is about painting this, this visage of fear for me. And,
01:49:35.480
um, and I, I do look away and then I open my eyes back up. Like I anticipated, she's popped up in my
01:49:43.400
face and I get furious and I stand up and I start feeding this thing uppercuts. And it's like doing
01:49:51.640
this kind of, um, teeter totter back and forth. But what ends up happening is I feel it on my knuckles
01:49:57.240
that this thing is made of wood. It's like, it's not real in any meaningful way. And then once again,
01:50:03.760
I start rebuking it in the name of Jesus Christ. And I wake up. Um, and the two that happened recently,
01:50:09.920
one, uh, it's similar to your dream, Vicky, where I, I had, um, I didn't steal anything. I killed a
01:50:15.600
man. Uh, I shot him and I could see that the police were in, you know, interrogating my neighbors
01:50:23.480
trying to find me. And I start, it's starting this chase sequence where it's horrifying. I mean,
01:50:29.320
I feel the ramifications of doing something that's going to land me in prison for the rest of my life.
01:50:34.260
Very similar to what you're describing. And all the emotions are there and I am running and running
01:50:39.020
through this, like what eventually becomes a fun house, interestingly enough to try to escape from
01:50:43.520
these, these police. And then all of a sudden I finally come to a place where it just dawns on me
01:50:49.320
and I realize I, I, and I, and I call on Jesus Christ to save me. Boom. I wake up and the one that
01:50:56.760
just happened, I'm invited to some sort of mansion and I'm a house guest. And I, uh, I, I go up for
01:51:05.020
the night to like retire to my room and, and I suddenly start doing research and I have my phone
01:51:11.960
out and I'm realizing that wherever I am has some connection to the grays and that this was a setup
01:51:19.580
and this was a trap. And I pull out my pistol and I'm super pumped to have my pistol. And I have that
01:51:26.960
realization of like, okay, that's really good that I have this. But then right afterwards I realize
01:51:31.800
and I, and I start, this one's a little bit different. I specifically start pleading the
01:51:36.520
blood of Christ over myself and whoever's with me, who I think is my wife. Um, and, and for Jesus to
01:51:43.820
protect me and then boom, I wake up. So something has changed dramatically for me in my dreamscape
01:51:49.820
where I'm like consistently calling on the name of Jesus in my dreams and, and waking up from these
01:51:55.820
experiences. Okay. There's so many things you said. Oh my gosh. How, how many hours do we have left?
01:52:03.340
I know as long as you, as long as you have. Okay. Okay. All right. So I can't believe that you said
01:52:10.860
that your eyes, like everything was vibrating. So here's, here's a fun fact guys, because I'm,
01:52:18.000
I'm not stripping the spiritual out of this because this is obviously very spiritual,
01:52:21.560
but people have to understand that we're body, soul, mind, and spirit. We don't,
01:52:26.780
we can't compartmentalize those things when we're asleep. And even though these are spiritual
01:52:32.140
encounters, it doesn't mean our physiology is erased from the equation or that technology is erased from
01:52:40.300
the equation. And a lot of times there's things all at play. This is very interesting.
01:52:44.620
There was a man who, who worked in some office and he worked late hours alone at night. And there was
01:52:54.640
all sorts of rumors around this building. I can't remember the guy's name. Um, it's online. He, um,
01:53:03.360
everybody thought that this place was haunted because the people that worked after hours, um,
01:53:08.440
they would get very oppressive, paranoid, scared, like I'm afraid to be here, something here kind of
01:53:15.420
feelings. And some of them would see like shadow entities and then they'd turn and they would be
01:53:20.880
gone. So this guy was working one night and he was experiencing some of the same things.
01:53:26.160
Long story short, he discovered that if there is something in your environment that is buzzing
01:53:35.040
beneath four Hertz, I think something like that frequency. Um, he tied it to, there was a, there
01:53:45.760
was a fan, like a lot of these people had fans on their desk and the fan was a very low frequency fan.
01:53:53.060
So he turned the fan off and realized that it was the fan, the frequency that was creating these
01:54:01.420
feelings and, and sightings. No, I haven't slept without a fan since I was a child.
01:54:09.260
Well, and maybe you've got one that is, you know, operates at six Hertz. I don't know, but here's the
01:54:15.520
deal. The reason why the people were seeing the shadows was because when we're in the presence of
01:54:25.000
something that's buzzing beneath four Hertz, our eyeballs are vibrating.
01:54:33.960
That's a, this is the binaural beat stuff. This is like, they create, uh, two different frequencies
01:54:39.840
and the difference between the frequencies is usually four Hertz and that, well, again, so whether,
01:54:45.520
whether it's just a physical manifestation of your eyeballs vibrating, or if you are, uh, creating
01:54:51.680
the atmosphere in which these things are allowed to do, because that now we're talking about CE5.
01:54:59.980
What the hell are you doing in your bedroom, David?
01:55:02.260
Dude, I don't, well, I mean, I, you know, I'm accidentally binaural beating myself, uh, into
01:55:07.740
careful, careful, binaural beat down into the astral realm. Dude. I mean, that's interesting because I,
01:55:16.500
I haven't been able to sleep. I have a new fan and I, maybe this one's a little bit better. Um,
01:55:21.020
but I haven't been able to sleep without one for a long time. It would strike me as significant
01:55:25.640
that something might want me to have a dependency on that. Yeah. I, I don't know. It, it's fascinating.
01:55:32.440
And, and I've done a lot of work to, um, research me, um, on that, on that binaural beat stuff,
01:55:38.100
that brain entrainment, um, training your brain to hum at frequencies that God didn't create it to
01:55:47.180
hum at that is CE5 until close encounter of the fifth kind. You're no longer being abducted.
01:55:53.520
You're saying, come and get me. That's all that means.
01:55:55.640
By the way, the, the, the, we were doing an episode on that yesterday and the amount of like
01:55:59.900
a crossover between like the CE5 app and sure, like you can call in orbs and you look at that,
01:56:05.760
but also then sometimes there's big foot encounters. There's also like sleep paralysis,
01:56:09.540
alien abduction phenomenon, poltergeist activity, all that stuff derives from
01:56:13.540
this binaural beat experience. So yeah, there's a, something, man, that's a,
01:56:18.560
just doing it to yourself accidentally. Very cool. David, that explains a lot. If that,
01:56:23.400
imagine that was the case. I was like, yeah, you've been inundated by spooky things for as long as you
01:56:28.280
could remember because you've slept with a fan for as long. I would be so upset. Yeah. It it's
01:56:33.100
interesting guys. I, I had a, um, really nasty astral dream about three years ago. And when I woke up,
01:56:42.200
I was like, was that an out of body experience? Did that really happen? Like, and the entity that
01:56:48.320
showed up was a guy that kind of looked like the brawny paper towel guy. He was just like this dude
01:56:54.480
in a flannel shirt with like the red beard, you know, and interesting, but he was mean looking like
01:56:59.580
he's stern looking. It's like, clean up that mess. Use the brawny. Exactly.
01:57:08.800
That, you know, what's funny is they're, they're starting to try to figure out how to advertise
01:57:12.620
in your dreams now, which is a nightmare. I saw an article on that the other day and I'm like,
01:57:16.300
there you go. People have emailed me. It's happening. I don't, ah. People have emailed me.
01:57:20.240
It's happening. That's so terrible. How do you even, Jesus, please protect me. The commercial
01:57:24.740
between your dreams. I, I wanted to say before we, we end that. So as David is on this other side of
01:57:31.520
it, um, just like being inundated with dream, getting a binaural beat downs every night.
01:57:36.800
I, I remembered, uh, binaural beat downs like, cause as the show, as we've done, we've done the show,
01:57:43.500
David's always like, I had this dream. I had this happen to me, a greasy demon. And I'm just like,
01:57:47.900
none of that. And then I was like, wait a second. They had witches in my house. There was like,
01:57:52.580
you know, a year and a half of spiritual warfare that manifested physically all kinds of,
01:57:57.140
to me, but I just don't see it. I guess I'm busy doing other things.
01:58:02.960
And, uh, I remembered that, uh, when I was younger, uh, so going like one of the first fallouts of the
01:58:10.660
first church that I went to that I didn't want to go to anymore. I was very young, like maybe 12 to
01:58:16.760
15 or something like that. Um, I would have like a lot of dreams and my mom kind of like latched onto
01:58:24.580
that and she'd always want to like hear about these dreams. And some of them were like crazy.
01:58:29.880
It was one that I could remember that, uh, you know, like I was seeing, uh, uh, you know, Palm Sunday
01:58:36.740
or, uh, when, when Jesus walks through with the palms and he's sitting on the donkey, but for some
01:58:41.460
reason I could see that it's not Jesus, it's a different thing on this donkey. I'm having all
01:58:47.580
these dreams. And then my mom is like, well, you got to tell the pastor, you got to talk deal. Let's
01:58:51.660
talk. And I was like, it got to a point where it was like, I don't want to anymore. I don't want
01:58:57.520
them. And for years I don't have dreams. Like, well, I have like, you know, some dreams, but it's almost
01:59:04.920
like I asked for that to stop and it shut off. But did it like, now the question is like what you say,
01:59:12.500
which worries me a lot, Vicki. Thanks. Thank you very much. Um, just because like, I don't remember
01:59:17.360
these things like, or even fringe was telling us like, you know, just cause you don't remember them
01:59:21.260
or you're not aware of them. Like, or did you just ask to be like, you know, I was like, I, I consent,
01:59:27.640
you know, I'm out, I'm out of a fight. So now I'm wondering not good. There there's precedent
01:59:32.400
within the Bible. I mean, I'm, I'm not great at scripture, but I seem to remember that there are
01:59:37.420
times when, you know, uh, someone would ask God to, to stop a thing, you know, when it's like,
01:59:43.200
if there's, if it's too much for you, um, if it really is all consent-based, could that be
01:59:48.660
the same thing for, for God? If he's giving you, you know, gifts of some sort, but the gifts are too
01:59:54.760
much for you to handle. Uh, what if you ask for them to stop? I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
02:00:02.400
Okay. So I'll nerd out for a little bit there. They call this thin boundary and thick boundary
02:00:11.600
dreaming. And this was based upon a questionnaire that a psychologist came up with. He's now passed
02:00:16.800
away. And then they, it's a questionnaire of all the, the, that they gave before a sleep study with
02:00:23.080
like 90 participants or something back in the nineties. And, um, so thin boundary dreamers are
02:00:30.560
people who there's a very thin wall between their waking and their dreaming. So when they wake up,
02:00:36.160
they remember a lot of their dreams. They remember a lot of the details. Thick boundary means there's,
02:00:40.460
there's this big wall of separation. And so when they wake up, they don't tend to remember anything,
02:00:46.400
which equates in most people's minds to, I don't dream. Right. Everybody does dream. It's whether you
02:00:52.620
remember them or not. And what it really comes down to is the people that remember the most are the
02:01:00.220
people that care about it. They're interested. They're looking for some sort of message, but then
02:01:07.260
you've got, you know, the people over here, they're left-brained, they're Navy SEALs, that they're
02:01:12.300
logical, that like they're, they don't have a lot of room for silly supernatural stuff. They're not
02:01:17.260
interested in their dreams. I got things to do. I need my sleep. And, you know, and there's not a right
02:01:21.740
or a wrong because even if you remember everything, like I said, it could be screen memories. It could
02:01:28.460
be some sort of prophetic thing that makes no sense to you. Sometimes having all the information just
02:01:33.640
makes people more sidetracked or more confusing. And you can get freedom from things, whether you
02:01:39.420
remember it or not, you can pray and say, father in heaven, if I ever made an oath or an agreement or
02:01:44.340
a vow or a promise or signed a contract in, in the heavenly realms, in my sleep, in the name of Jesus,
02:01:49.720
disavow me, you don't have to remember. So it's the information may or may not ultimately be
02:01:57.260
valuable because you can be healed of it without every little detail. So if you're a thick boundary
02:02:05.220
dreamer, you, you are still dreaming. You just don't remember it. And I do occasionally get comments
02:02:11.340
on social media and I don't usually comment back because I'm not trying to be divisive and I don't
02:02:15.400
want to scare people. And I also don't feel that it's my job to reveal things to people. I believe
02:02:21.160
it's the Holy Spirit's job to do that. You don't go up to people and go, oh, you're, you're, you're,
02:02:26.280
you're a survivor of ritual abuse. Like, cause if it's not the right time, you're going to freak those
02:02:30.420
people out. And so, but I do get a lot of people saying, I don't have to worry about any of this
02:02:34.440
stuff. I don't dream. And it's like, well, you know, ignorance is bliss. Right. But, um,
02:02:39.340
the fact is I, I know that there are times when I'm having nightmares or sleep paralysis
02:02:46.540
and I wake up and I have no memory of it because I travel a lot. And a lot of times I have my dad
02:02:52.280
with me. And so on those nights I'll be in, you know, we're in a hotel room and there have been
02:02:58.280
numerous occasions where my dad has woke up and had to pray over me because I was very clearly like
02:03:04.080
calling the name of Jesus out and fearful and, and he'll pray over me. And then he says, you,
02:03:09.300
you just take a deep breath and then you roll over and you start sleeping soundly. And so
02:03:15.140
the next morning, I don't have a memory of it. I don't remember having a bad dream
02:03:19.740
and I have really good dream recall. And so they're, if they're getting ones over on,
02:03:24.820
on those of us that are thin boundary, they're certainly getting over on the people with the
02:03:28.740
thick boundary. But what I try to tell people so that it, they don't get totally freaked out.
02:03:34.080
Is, oh my gosh, I've never remembered a dream in my whole life. And now you're telling me that I
02:03:38.920
could have all these demonic attachments. Well, no, if you're a targeted individual,
02:03:43.860
you know it because there's going to be way more signs than just your dreams. There's going to be a
02:03:48.880
lot of other things going on. And so if, if everything that we're talking about is completely
02:03:55.620
outside of your purview of personal experience, I wouldn't be too worried about it.
02:03:59.940
Um, there, there's a lot of other things involved. Most targeted individuals where it starts around
02:04:06.020
three years old, there's sleepwalking, there's nosebleeds, there's anxiety, there's depression.
02:04:12.180
There's a lot of times there's trauma. Um, you're almost assuredly from a, from a bloodline,
02:04:19.440
whether you realize it or not. Um, so it's not just about whether you have bad dreams or you don't,
02:04:26.200
or whether you remember them or you don't. So if none of this applies, don't take something on you
02:04:31.580
that you don't need to take on you. Like, oh no, I don't remember my dreams. And this could all be
02:04:35.560
happening to me. You would have gotten other clues by now that something is amiss.
02:04:40.140
So if it does apply, then what, what do you do? So if it does apply, if I was someone who has no
02:04:47.420
memory of my dreams whatsoever, and I've noticed even as I get older, I have less and less of a
02:04:52.420
recall. And, um, Raven, like you mentioned earlier, we most likely will remember the dream
02:05:00.500
that was the last dream we had upon waking. And so if you end up waking up a couple times in the
02:05:06.880
middle of the night, you might remember more of them. Um, but if you have no memory, but there's
02:05:13.600
other things going on where you're starting to think something's weird. Um, look, we all wake up
02:05:19.680
tired. We wake up stressed out. We wake up dreading our work day and the meeting with the boss and all
02:05:25.260
this stuff. So, um, but if you're constantly waking up, absolutely drained of all energy, exhausted to
02:05:32.220
the point where, Hey, I slept eight, nine hours and I feel like I've been drugged or in you're horribly
02:05:38.980
depressed or anxious, and there's no thing in your real life that that is attaching to. Um, if
02:05:47.300
I'm, I'm trying to think of some of the other like dead giveaways, but anyway, what I do, because like
02:05:56.700
I said, I'm starting to not even have a lot of confidence in the dreams that I do remember,
02:06:02.060
because I think in some cases, like the dream I just told you about with the, with the coffee creamer,
02:06:09.040
um, that I remembered and I took it face value, but this is a whole nother show guy, guys, the, um,
02:06:18.260
the mall world dreams, the simulation dreams, the back rooms dreams. Um, um, I perked up, uh, Raven,
02:06:25.940
when you talked about the mansion, because the man, the mansion is part of the mall world.
02:06:31.020
The amusement park is part of the mall world. So these dreams aren't always demonic or scary or
02:06:39.060
nightmary. They're just weird. Like you're going through it thinking like, this is just off. And,
02:06:46.700
and the four things to look for in those dreams are people believe that they're lost.
02:06:53.480
They believe they're being chased, whether they can see who's chasing them or not.
02:06:58.760
They believe they're being observed or tested in some way, or they believe they're on an assignment
02:07:03.800
and they may or may not know what that assignment is. As soon as you figure it out, as soon as you say,
02:07:11.560
Oh crap, I'm in the mall world. That dream will shift to, and you'll start over. Um, as soon as you
02:07:17.900
say, in the name of Jesus, get out, you'll wake up as soon as you're onto them, you'll wake up or
02:07:23.440
it'll shift to another dream where you have to kind of start all over and figure out again, like,
02:07:29.300
Oh crap, I'm still here. Sometimes when those things happen to, I don't, I can't go right back
02:07:33.800
to sleep. Cause I can feel intrinsically that like, I'm going to get sucked back into there.
02:07:38.480
So I have to like stay up for a little bit. I'll scroll through my phone or whatever. Um, but yeah,
02:07:43.540
like the, the, some of the ones I described to you where I was like running and also the same one
02:07:47.700
with the, uh, seeing the alien graze on the phone and then calling on Christ. Like I knew I stayed up
02:07:53.060
for like a little bit and went through my phone. Cause I was like, I can feel somehow I know I'll go
02:07:57.180
back there. I don't want to go back there. Yes, absolutely. So I think whether you remember your
02:08:03.520
dreams or you don't be sober minded, be vigilant, your adversary, the devil is a prowling lion,
02:08:10.120
seeking someone to devour. Um, lions primarily do their hunting at night. So Christians, all the
02:08:17.060
stuff in the Bible about spiritual warfare, um, that doesn't just operate during the 12 hours of
02:08:23.820
daylight. They're operating 24 seven. When you're asleep, there's still an opportunity for spiritual
02:08:29.560
warfare. And so part of being sober minded and vigilant is praying before you go to bed,
02:08:35.460
very specific prayers, praying when you wake up. Now I tend to, when I go to bed, I don't focus on
02:08:42.240
all the things I don't want to have happen because you can actually, you know, if you're going to bed
02:08:48.000
with all of these fears of what might happen when you go to sleep, it's probably not going to benefit
02:08:52.220
you. So when I, when I go to bed at night, I focus on what I do want to have happen. And so I've
02:08:57.760
turned, um, a portion of the latter half of song of Solomon chapter three into a prayer. And I say,
02:09:04.820
um, Jesus, um, I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine. Put me in the King's palanquin,
02:09:11.760
surround me with 60 mighty men girded with swords who are ready for war to protect me from the terrors
02:09:19.320
of the night in the name of Jesus. And, and then I say within that palanquin, um, Jesus, I want to,
02:09:26.140
I want to be within the walls of that, that, that Koopa or that, that, you know, container.
02:09:35.900
I want to be with you. I want to, you know, and, and I don't mean astral projection guys,
02:09:40.460
and I don't mean Jesus shows up every night and all this kind of stuff. I just mean that within that
02:09:45.800
palanquin, it doesn't even have to be a dream. What it means is when I hit an REM state,
02:09:51.580
I want my dorsolateral prefrontal cortex to shut down and get its rest. I, I want the forces
02:09:59.560
of God on the outside of, of this dream chamber to be doing all of the heavy lifting for me and
02:10:06.960
protecting me because I need to get my rest. And, and so, um, if, if your prefrontal cortex is
02:10:17.060
flipping on all throughout the night because it's sensing danger and then you're having to do this
02:10:22.480
warfare, that's great. Like, that's awesome that you will all of a sudden become aware like, oh crap,
02:10:27.480
I'm in trouble in the name of Jesus. But when you're doing that numerous times a night, or you're
02:10:32.100
doing it numerous times a week and your sleep is getting interrupted and it's exhausting and you're
02:10:37.240
not getting the sleep that you need. And that's going to have other effects on mental, physical
02:10:42.340
relationships. You know, when you're, when you're sleep deprived, you're, you're mean and you're
02:10:48.260
short with people and you're snapping at people. And so, uh, it's just exhausting. And a lot of people
02:10:54.120
that go through this sort of targeting, it's not even the demonic stuff. It's just the exhaustion
02:10:59.860
of, of the relentless attack on our sleep. So whether you remember the dreams or you don't
02:11:07.240
just learn how to pray warfare prayers before you go to bed, learn when you wake up to just
02:11:13.080
automatically say, uh, father, if I made any agreements, promises, oaths, covenants, contracts,
02:11:20.180
if I did anything in my sleep that was unpleasing to you or that formed an attachment or gave permission
02:11:27.660
to the spirit realm, I pray in the name of Jesus, you would disavow me of that in Jesus name. And
02:11:32.020
doesn't have to be something formulated. Um, you know, you just pray in faith and you, you trust
02:11:38.960
that, that Jesus is taking care of, of the stuff because, um, these, this, this enemy, he doesn't
02:11:45.180
play fair. He doesn't play fair and he banks on our ignorance. And it, even in the things that I'm
02:11:52.840
saying, okay, now you're accountable for this. Cause you've heard me say it. If you walk away saying
02:11:57.700
what a bunch of garbage, I became a Christian, none of these things can touch me. That's fine.
02:12:03.380
But risk it at your own peril because these things have been around for thousands and thousands and
02:12:07.500
thousands of years. And they got human beings figured out. Cause we're not that hard to figure
02:12:10.760
out. Yeah. Very clever, very sneaky, very deceptive. And they operate in a way I think where it's,
02:12:16.980
uh, best for them. If you don't even think they exist, if you think this is all purely psychological,
02:12:23.500
um, even sometimes if you think your own thoughts or impulses are your own, and they're not something
02:12:29.600
nudging you one way or the other, uh, that works to their advantage immensely, immensely. Um, the,
02:12:36.040
I think it's their first line of defense is, uh, having you believe that these things are
02:12:42.100
machinations of your own mind and that the spiritual realm doesn't exist or has little to do with
02:12:47.800
whatever you're experiencing. If they can operate there, then they really have you. And then anything
02:12:52.440
else beyond that levels of awareness are to your advantage. So, um, Vicki, I want to thank you for
02:12:59.080
your time. Uh, I know we took you all over the place and, uh, I'm glad that we managed to get in
02:13:04.700
this discussion about dreams. I think, uh, I can see just based off of the chat that this is very
02:13:09.540
valuable, valuable to people. Uh, it certainly is to me, um, given all my, my strangeness. And so I
02:13:15.340
think this is going to be something that I like when we make an episode that, that serves people.
02:13:20.000
Um, and I, and I think this one will do just that. So, uh, thank you for coming and hanging out with
02:13:25.420
us again. And, uh, one more time I'll go ahead. It's been a week of, uh, the, what we, what we've
02:13:31.780
needed asked has just like, they're like, well, it's on your show now. Yeah. So go ahead and ask
02:13:36.800
the right questions. Yeah. Awesome. This show is like, uh, you know, it's a tool for us as much as it
02:13:44.100
is, you know, we we're fascinated by this information and we, we want to pursue the truth and a,
02:13:49.060
and a closer relationship with God. And it's like this show, um, for as entertaining, I'm sure as,
02:13:55.180
as it is for many people and as interesting as it is, it's a, it's, it serves us. Um,
02:14:00.240
and I think it does the same for other people. So one more time, Vicki, where can everybody find your
02:14:05.880
work? Yeah. Vicki Joy Anderson, everything, everywhere you can find me is somewhere on that
02:14:11.260
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02:14:38.300
And guys, thank you so much for having me on. I love hanging out with you guys. I always feel like I'm,
02:14:44.040
you know, back in high school in my, my brother's room, holding our guitars together and just
02:14:49.360
chatting, which was like one of my favorite memories is was hanging out with my brother
02:14:53.160
and he would show me little things on the guitar and we would just talk. And I always feel that way
02:14:57.460
when I'm with you guys. That's cool. Maybe, maybe we'll jam one day. I play, I play guitar.
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I'm musically inept, but, uh, I can, I can sit around and enjoy it. Um, yeah, it's always a pleasure
02:15:09.040
talking to you, Vicki. And this isn't going to be the last time we'll have you back soon. Um,
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awesome. So thank you once again, top, you want to bring us out of here guys? Don't forget to
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The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly
02:15:27.480
telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what
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there is to see. Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture
02:15:42.880
what they have. What's up guys? Top Lobster here. Um, we're going to leave you with another
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preview from a old show. This is a episode seven of the book of revelation series by Ed Mabry.
02:15:58.300
I'm pushing this hard because I feel like people should listen to it. If you haven't already,
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there's like a 25 part series on it. So you scroll up or scroll down in this feed and you'll find it.
02:16:09.180
It's all the book of revelation series. Go check it out. Anyway, here's episode seven.
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I don't even remember what we spoke about, but I'm sure it's going to be great.
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Put about 30 minutes here for you guys. See you later.
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Yes. I'll just break it all down where we've been the last seven. So, you know, we started with,
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you know, there's just the introduction that this is like a revelation of Jesus Christ. This is God
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revealing Jesus to Jesus and being, and being written down by the apostle John on the island of
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Patmos. And he talks and he, and Jesus gives him the outline. He says, you know, write down what,
02:16:37.400
what you have seen, which is a vision, vision of Jesus, write down the things which are,
02:16:41.380
which are the church age, which we're currently in. And then the write down things, which will be
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after these things are meta Tauta, which is the future. So we, we talked about that. We went through
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the seven letters of seven churches and how that pertains to, to basically to us, it outlines all
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of church history in advance all the way up until the current church age, which I think it's the last
02:17:00.280
age, the, the Laodicean age where everyone is just, no one takes a stand. Everyone's just,
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you know, being comfortable. And, and then we shifted. It said after these things, well, after
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the church age, now we're in the future and it just seen shifts to, to the heavens. And we see
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the continuation of a trial that began in the, the book of Daniel. We're going to go back to Daniel
02:17:22.700
heavily today. Cause we're gonna talk about the tribulation today. And that, and so that trial was
02:17:29.280
where the, the bad guys, the evil Elohim, the fallen angels and Satan and all that, they laid
02:17:34.900
out their plan of how they're going to basically take the world, how they're going to usurp the plan
02:17:40.260
of God of Jehovah through these four empires, starting with the Babylonian empire, which Daniel
02:17:45.700
was in at this, and also the, the middle Persian empire, which Daniel was in at the beginning of that
02:17:49.980
one as well, then the Greek empire, and then the final empire, which is the Roman empire. And we
02:17:55.000
talked about how that actually continues to this day. It just, the Roman empire was never
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conquered. It just transformed from a, from senatorial dictatorship to a theocracy that
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we call the Vatican. And then God said, okay, that's your plan. Great. Now I'm going to give
02:18:10.400
you my plan. And here, and my plan is to have a, what's called the, who was called the son
02:18:15.160
of man riding on the cloud. God is called, it's the cloud rider. That's how the Israelites
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knew him. And so you have a man riding on the cloud. So a man with the authority of God
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would come and he would inherit the nations. And that would be his, that would be his
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inheritance. So the whole principle behind that was you speak something into one realm
02:18:32.600
and it manifests in the other realm. So the evil Elohim spoke their plan. They had to,
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it wasn't an option. You have to speak your plan because all of everything that's done
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is done with words. You know, God created the world with words. Words are extremely powerful.
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So they gave their plan. And so then, so, and it's going to manifest. We've seen it because
02:18:51.500
again, Daniel only lived during the Babylonian and Medo-Persian empire, but then the Greek empire
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happened, the Roman empire happened and everything else is going to happen. So it's going to happen.
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So then God could directly say that I can judge you now. And so they put on a trial and we discover
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that in, in, in revelation, some secrets that, that God kept, God was kind of playing 3d chess
02:19:13.160
or 4d chess with him. He was saying, okay, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm not
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going to tell you how. So they didn't know that, you know, in order for the son of man to inherit
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the world, he had to die. They didn't, they knew he was coming, but they didn't know he had to die.
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Otherwise it wouldn't have killed them. They say, Hey, let's keep this guy alive. But so,
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but they didn't, they didn't know that. So they killed him thinking they would get rid of the
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problem. They just made their problem worse. And they also didn't know that the church would be
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the one to once to be the final judges because in book of Daniel, you had thrones set up, but it
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didn't say anyone was on the thrones. Then when we get to a revelation chapters four and five,
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we see now that the people on the church are called the 24 elders who sing a song that said that
02:19:51.580
they were redeemed by the blood of the lamb means that they are believers. So believers were are the
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witnesses and jury in this trial. And those seven letters were telling the church, all of us, how we
02:20:03.840
should interact with the world for our own maximum profitability, but also so that we'd be, we'd have
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the, the, the right to, to judge them. And, you know, the apostle Paul himself says, Hey, don't,
02:20:15.260
you know, we will judge the angel. We will judge the Elohim. So then, and then last time we talked
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about the seven seals. Cause the, there was this, um, this, a scroll in the right hand of, of the
02:20:26.660
father of Jehovah that no one could open. No one was worthy to open it. This is a title deed to the
02:20:31.260
earth, but it turns out that there was one who was worthy of opening it. It was said the lamb who was
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slain from the, from the foundation of the world, which is Jesus. He, he was worthy to open the seals
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and he opened those seven seals. We talked about the seven seals last time. And I gave the
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traditional view, which is that the opening of those seven seals, the first four of which are
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the four, uh, four horsemen of the apocalypse. And then you have the fifth is the martyrs and the
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six of the cosmic disturbances, the earthquakes and, um, the, uh, stars falling from heaven.
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And so the classic view is that that's either the beginning of the tribulation period at the
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beginning of God's judgments, or it's an overview of the, of all the judgments. I gave an alternative
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view. I actually think that those four horsemen are not from God. They're actually from Satan.
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They're from the bad guys. This is a false apocalypse because again, the antichrist is a false
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Christ. He is a false Messiah. And we're going to have a false Messiah. We got to have a false
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apocalypse where, you know, everyone knows that we're due for an apocalypse. Even in the secular
02:21:34.420
world, look at movies and TV shows and books, they're all about the apocalypse. But so they're
02:21:40.000
going to have this false apocalypse that's going to be engineered. And you guys had a guest kind
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of talking about this in a, in a kind of a different vein saying that I forgot what he,
02:21:48.880
what he called it. But we were in the little season in that, uh, we were going to experience
02:21:55.080
a manufactured apocalypse, which is incredibly compelling and does, uh, sync up pretty nicely
02:22:01.000
with what you've been talking about. So yeah, right. So this is that false, that little
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season, the false apocalypse. And because they, the bad guys bring it about, they're going to be
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the ones who solve it and say, Hey, look at us. And then the last part, the sixth seal is when you
02:22:16.080
have the earth opening up and you have the stars of heaven, which is an idiom for the angels, for the
02:22:20.940
Elohim being cast down to earth. So the, the Elohim are all kicked out of the heavens who, because many of
02:22:26.800
them are still, you know, in the heavenly realm. Now they're kicked out in the heavenly realm. It just
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means it, it doesn't mean it's, it's where God is. It just means you're in a spiritual realm.
02:22:33.100
So they're kicked out of the spiritual realm and the earth opens up to let the ones who are
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imprisoned underneath the earth and in the ocean, the mouse. So basically what's happening is God
02:22:41.680
is putting all of the players on the table because it's time for judgment. But since they know this is
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coming, my other theory is that this is what project blue beam is all about. They're going to
02:22:51.040
masquerade as our space brothers or our ascended masters. They're going to say, we're your creators
02:22:57.500
and we've come to you during this time of trauma that we created in order to save you from yourselves
02:23:03.020
and Hey, and here's our, here's your new leader. And you know, he's the Antichrist. They won't call
02:23:08.080
him that of course. I mean, we're going to talk about, we'll do a deep dive into the Antichrist
02:23:12.300
coming in a few episodes now, but yeah, that's, that's their plan, but that's not the actual judgment.
02:23:19.120
This is a precursor. I think this happens between the, the first of the three raptures. We talked
02:23:25.200
about the raptures a few episodes ago and, and, but before this happens after that first rapture
02:23:31.420
and it happens before the actual tribulation. So what is the tribulation? Well, that's what we're
02:23:36.720
going to talk about today. You know, Ed, I wanted to bring it back to, I think like the middle episodes
02:23:42.160
that you were talking about, because you brought it to my attention about how important it is to speak
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like this, uh, to speak something into, you know, not to get like a white girl holistic,
02:23:52.860
speak something into the universe universe and kind of manifest it. Right. And it does sound stupid,
02:23:57.980
but, uh, I think because our culture has made it stupid, but in the end, it's kind of really
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important and something behind the scenes that happened with, I guess, me and David, for some
02:24:08.800
reason last night, I just, uh, I texted him and I said, Hey, um, when did you, he, before I,
02:24:15.300
like we started this show, he had seen, uh, like a palm reader or something like that? Uh, it wasn't
02:24:20.020
a palm reader. I, uh, I was in new Orleans. This is before we started Nephilim death squad
02:24:24.660
and visited a tarot card, uh, reader. Right. And he had mentioned that to me a long time ago. And I
02:24:31.600
was just like, that's gay. I never really brought it up again. Um, so was the tarot card reader,
02:24:39.220
by the way, he was, he was definitively a gay dude. So just, just not great.
02:24:42.980
Something, something yesterday kind of like, it was like, yo, text this guy and tell him
02:24:47.460
that he needs to ask God to close any doorways that might've been opened inside of him by doing
02:24:55.900
this Nephilim shit. And, and he, then he told me later, he was like, I was just talking about my
02:25:01.080
wife, talking with my wife about this guy. And that he also, you also had the inclination for
02:25:07.640
whatever reason to get baptized. Yeah. It was, it was a really weird day. Uh, uh, it was a weird,
02:25:14.380
it was a really weird day. Yeah. Uh, so Ed, what, one of the things that you've said during the
02:25:19.080
series that really stuck with me was just like, you know, praying is important, but God wants you
02:25:23.860
to talk to him. Right. And so I've been implementing that a lot. And, uh, when I tell you that I have
02:25:31.280
seen, um, I, well, how would you describe it? I've seen the fruits of communicating with God,
02:25:40.980
um, a lot more obviously than I have in the past. It's almost like he's communicating directly back
02:25:45.820
with me. And, um, basically what happened was we had a, uh, we did a show and after the show,
02:25:52.400
I went to go to the pool with my son and, um, I got excited cause I've been working out. So I'm like,
02:25:58.400
I hit a new speed, I'm swimming laps and I'm like, damn, I'm going pretty fast here. So I start
02:26:02.920
swimming laps aggressively and I get nauseous cause I push myself to the limit cause I'm a psychopath
02:26:06.820
and I go to lay down now. And as I'm laying down, I start talking to God and I'm basically
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saying, um, and I know this is not the same thing as a baptism, but what I'm, what I'm saying to God
02:26:18.040
is to, um, to clear me of any rights or authority that might be had over me by some sort of, uh, dark
02:26:27.300
entities, um, and to, uh, cleanse me of any iniquities that, uh, you know, that I might have
02:26:34.740
and to fill me with the Holy spirit. And after I'm done saying that, uh, I'm just kind of like
02:26:41.460
having conversation, not really a prayer. I'm just talking. And then I, I jump into the pool,
02:26:45.320
not really a baptism. I know a public pool is not the place. There's like clumps of floating hair
02:26:49.060
and all these things, but, but after I get out of it, um, all these things start happening and we get
02:26:55.680
these really amazing opportunities that show up. And then in conjunction with that, I open
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an old DM from somebody who never communicated with me, but reached out specifically just to say,
02:27:11.260
have you ever been baptized? And I said, no. Um, this was over a year, almost a year ago. I said,
02:27:18.200
no, uh, maybe when I was a baby, I think, but not like actively as an adult. And they said,
02:27:22.960
you need to get baptized. Um, it acts as a exorcism, but also speaking from their point
02:27:31.760
of view as someone who was a believer getting baptized, bought it to a new level. And I was
02:27:37.940
like, that's fascinating that I would randomly open this, uh, DM. And then in between those two
02:27:44.360
events, I'm walking and talking with my wife and I'm saying, um, wow, we have this new opportunity.
02:27:50.300
It's going to put me in front of a lot of people and it's going to, uh, people are going to feel
02:27:55.260
passionately about it. A lot of people are going to hate us for the position that we take. That is
02:28:00.260
just like the tarot reader in new Orleans said, they said that we're going to find success in our
02:28:05.340
endeavors, but people, there are a great amount of people that will hate us for it. And so I'm
02:28:09.640
talking about these things, right? Baptism, the tarot card reader, I'm asking God to clear me of any
02:28:15.260
inequities. And all of a sudden my cohost DMs me and says, Hey, um, uh, you need to talk to God to
02:28:23.640
close any doorways that these things might have to you. And also when, when did you talk to that
02:28:28.880
tarot card reader? How long ago was that? And I was like, to me, it just seems so clear when I said,
02:28:33.220
like God is speaking back when you, when you talk to God, it's like, here's the path. I always talk to
02:28:38.660
God and I pray to God. And I ask that whatever path that I'm on is the one that he set for me and
02:28:43.300
that my will is alignment with his will. And it's like, he showed me, well, here's the path,
02:28:48.260
but also this is something that you need to do. Uh, and, and then because I, uh, decided that I
02:28:57.380
need to get baptized, I had like some sort of strange spiritual attack last night. I had sleep
02:29:01.540
paralysis for the first time in a long time. The room felt, uh, very dark and, and eerie. Uh, I had
02:29:08.940
a nightmare that I was being tossed around my apartment, uh, in the dark by some unseen force.
02:29:13.900
Very strange. So, um, you know, but it is interesting, Ed, because I, I, when you said
02:29:20.800
that God wants you to speak to him, that prayer is good, but God wants you to speak to him.
02:29:25.480
And I, it's like, as a father that struck me, cause I'm like, of course, like you want
02:29:31.780
your children to speak to you. Right. Exactly. And as soon as I did, I feel like a man, it
02:29:38.040
became, you spend your, your, your time looking around for, in ways that God might be speaking
02:29:42.540
to you. He'll start speaking a lot louder if you start speaking to him. Yeah. And, um, and
02:29:47.380
what happened to you is, is, is because, you know, the, the evil Elohim, they don't like
02:29:51.040
that. The, the, the demons of, you know, the, the Nephilim spirits, they, they hate
02:29:54.500
it. Yeah. There's an old saying, uh, not a saying, but something that, that my old mentor,
02:29:58.740
uh, Chuck Missler, who's passed away several years ago, would say, he says, if you don't
02:30:02.520
believe in Satan, just try opposing him for a little while and you will become a believer
02:30:06.200
because if you, as long as like, you're not opposing him, you're fine. He's not going to
02:30:11.040
bother you. But as soon as they sense in the spirit, Oh, this guy's becoming dangerous.
02:30:15.020
He's then they're going to, they're going to come at you because they're trying to intimidate
02:30:18.680
you. Don't let them do it. I mean, you call on the name,
02:30:21.020
you use Jesus. You say Yeshua HaMashiach, whatever you, however you want to say it.
02:30:25.880
And they flee. I think I gave, I sent, um, you know, top that, um, that, that, uh, spiritual
02:30:31.800
warfare, uh, prayer, which is a long, like, you know, five, six pages long, like it's intense.
02:30:37.680
And, you know, I feel in the telegram chat, if anybody wants that, it should still be at
02:30:41.800
the top. So, so yeah, it's long, but it's necessary. I mean, depending on what's going on
02:30:46.980
with you, it's because there's warfare happening and you've got to, you know, you got to stake
02:30:53.700
your claim. You got to just, but you have the authority. I mean, Jesus, one of the things
02:30:57.280
he did, people talk about why did Jesus come? Well, he came to teach us love and, you know,
02:31:02.340
heal and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, sure. But he also came with one of the things people rarely
02:31:07.920
talk about. And by people, I mean, even the Bible teachers, Jesus came to give us authority
02:31:12.980
over the Elohim realm. That is a huge part about it. No one was casting out demons before
02:31:17.580
Jesus. You won't see that. Serpents and scorpions, right? Right. Exactly. And this astonished the,
02:31:25.320
his disciples and all the followers. They said, well, who is, who is this guy that even the
02:31:29.420
spirits obey him? And he gave, he said, I give you that authority. He said, everything that I do,
02:31:34.340
you will do even greater things. And that's because, you know, there'll be more of us.
02:31:39.040
He, we multiply this. So yeah, you have the authority. That's the bottom line. You have the
02:31:42.760
authority over it. And you speak words, words, spiritual warfare is done with words.
02:31:47.400
And you can, you know, you can speak words over yourself, over your family. And,
02:31:50.620
and they have to wait. We were given, we were given that authority, but very few of us,
02:31:55.540
very few Christians walk in that authority. We're just like, oh, the devil's coming after me. Well,
02:31:59.500
come back, come back after him. You have authority over him. Why are you just,
02:32:02.360
don't be a punching bag. Yeah. I, I just want to say this and then we'll get onto the meat of the episode.
02:32:08.200
But, um, when I first started the show, uh, well, really when I moved to Florida, uh, so like two
02:32:14.780
years ago now, um, also my trip to new Orleans, which we talked about briefly, um, you know,
02:32:21.900
being a new homeowner, I experienced like a tremendous amount of very clearly, uh, supernatural
02:32:29.720
experiences. And, uh, I'm no stranger to that. You know, I, I just kind of come from, I think my,
02:32:36.420
my grandmother, I, I do believe like thought she was a witch and probably screwed up. You know,
02:32:42.640
you talk about generational inequity, probably got some of that going on. And, um, but when I came to
02:32:49.600
Florida and I started the show, I started the show because I became convicted in my ideas about,
02:32:56.600
uh, Christ being the way and the biblical lens being the most effective one to see the world
02:33:02.780
through because of supernatural experiences that really hit a peak. And, uh, I started to have
02:33:12.460
a lot of things happen, but was, you know, wielding essentially the name of Christ to make these
02:33:18.920
events stop. And the more the events happen, the more I became vindicated, the more I started to go
02:33:23.680
down this path, then they stopped. And I almost feel like it's because it's like, oh, it's not
02:33:28.200
working. The more things that happen to, you know, that we do to him, the more he moves towards
02:33:33.560
Christ. And so I think it stopped for a second, but it, it was always there. And then I think the
02:33:39.620
decision to get baptized was like almost like a writhing point. Uh, and that's kind of what I was
02:33:44.820
experiencing there. And so, which in my book, it's like, every time they show themselves and I
02:33:49.440
haven't experienced, uh, they're just shooting themselves in the foot because it only vindicates
02:33:53.520
me further. So, uh, you know, I'm going to a Greek Orthodox church this Sunday to start this one
02:33:59.360
around the corner for me to start, uh, the conversation. Cause I don't really attend, um,
02:34:03.960
any, any physical church, but I think it's time to do something, uh, clearly, but, um, all right.
02:34:10.680
So besides that, let's get into this, uh, the media, besides all that crazy ass shit,
02:34:15.460
I just don't want the whole thing to be about, uh, my insane, uh, uh, you know, just bizarre
02:34:20.760
experiences, but no, but it shows you on the right path. I mean, if you, if you weren't a danger,
02:34:24.780
you wouldn't be targeted. Right. Right. That's a, and like I said, you know, a lot of the times
02:34:30.880
we talk to people, um, we did this big episode with, uh, Dave Smith and Clint Russell. And,
02:34:36.860
you know, these are two, uh, almost purely political figures. I would say purely political figures.
02:34:42.180
And we're trying to talk to them about the supernatural realm and, and God. And, uh,
02:34:48.120
it's like trying to talk to, you know, a blind person about color. I really do feel bad for people,
02:34:56.160
um, who don't, it's like, you know, to, to wish an experience on someone is, you know, if you have a
02:35:04.280
negative supernatural experience, they're horrifying. The level of terror associated with them is,
02:35:10.280
you know, it's like bone shaking and, but it grants you, if you can not, uh, deny it,
02:35:21.840
if you can get past that, that, that safety mechanism that the brain deploys to try to
02:35:27.480
make it so that it didn't happen. And that wasn't what it was. And you look for a million different
02:35:31.220
reasons to explain it away. If you can shut that down and look at it for what it really was,
02:35:35.960
it changes the entire way you perceive, you know, this existence for the better dramatically,
02:35:40.740
if you're looking at it through the right lens. And so, uh, you know, for a lot of people, it's
02:35:45.820
like, yeah, even though it's horrifying, I wish it upon you. I wish that one day you, you have an
02:35:51.860
experience where you can see that there is, we are engaged in spiritual warfare. And if you can just
02:35:58.980
see that, then you know, that there are sides and that's the beginning of it. Go ahead.
02:36:03.860
I can tell you every, as the days and weeks go by, I'm more and more amazed when people aren't
02:36:09.560
at least acknowledging the spiritual. I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Christian.
02:36:12.200
They won't be. Most people aren't going to be. We, we know that, but people who deny,
02:36:17.440
deny that there's any kind of spiritual realm, like how can you, at this point, how can you even do
02:36:22.000
that? Whether or not you believe what I believe, at least acknowledge that there's something beyond
02:36:26.420
just Democrats and Republicans. And you know, there's, there's more to life than,
02:36:30.800
than Trump and Biden and whatever else. Not saying that stuff's not important, but it's
02:36:36.220
actually kind of a relief, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. It's like, thank God there's more than this.
02:36:41.480
Right. Actually. Yeah. Cause wow. How depressing would it be if that was all we had were,
02:36:45.720
we were relying on a politician in Washington to save us or whatever, but in, in the people that
02:36:50.540
they're reporting to who control them, who, you know, the bankers who people who control the bankers,
02:36:55.120
they're at the highest levels. We talked about this before they're worshiping these fallen
02:36:59.280
Elohim and who are, who are empowering them, you know, but, and this will be a segue back into
02:37:05.160
revelation. We think we talked about last time at this point in the, in the, in the narrative,
02:37:09.640
there are no more atheists. Once you get to this, the, this, the, those seals, when those are opened
02:37:15.000
up and you have Nephilim on the earth with the, um, the, the, the beast of the earth, the Therion
02:37:18.840
Higantes, who we talked about with the, with the fourth horsemen and all this kind of stuff.
02:37:22.640
No, there's not, there's not going to be any more Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris is there.
02:37:27.680
If they're still alive, I'm like, yes, sorry, our bad. We were wrong. There really is something
02:37:32.280
now they won't believe in the God of the Bible, but they, they will believe in spirit. Everyone
02:37:36.340
will be spiritual at this point. Well, as at this point right now, where we are today,
02:37:40.300
those people have been moved out of the way. Like that Sam Harris type character, almost all of them
02:37:45.860
have been exposed for how stupid they are. That happened with COVID. So most of those atheist players
02:37:50.520
are off the table already. There's a couple still lingering, lingering around, but I don't think
02:37:55.060
anyone takes them seriously. Yeah, totally. All right. So, um, we're going to talk about the,
02:38:01.740
the, the tribulation. This is kind of the, the meat of the book of revelation. When most people
02:38:06.220
think of revelation, this is what they think about. This is, you know, the, the judgment,
02:38:11.400
God's judgments being poured out, God's wrath, um, you know, the plagues and all these various,
02:38:15.920
you know, rivers and oceans turning to blood and, you know, fire and brimstone and all that.
02:38:21.140
But before we get into the details of it, um, because, you know, this, I think when the, when
02:38:25.640
the seventh seal is opened, this is when it's going to start. Let me just back up. As far as
02:38:31.280
the timing of it, I think that the actual tribulation, this seven year period is going to
02:38:36.560
start right in the midst of what's happening with those seals. And we're going to find out why,
02:38:42.080
because the, the, the start of the tribulation has everything to do with the antichrist, not
02:38:46.640
with Christians or the rapture or anything like that. So what, what is this seven year
02:38:52.700
tribulation? Well, if you have some people who are listening, who are kind of sticklers
02:38:56.760
for, for details and, and they will tell you what they're, the Bible never calls it the seven
02:39:02.080
year tribulation. And they're right. The term tribulation as for that seven year period is
02:39:07.320
something that Christians call it, but there is, but the tribulation, the word tribulation
02:39:13.500
just means trouble. It means a time of trouble and distress. That's what it generally means.
02:39:17.900
So we've had plenty of periods of trouble and distress. You know, we've had, we've had, you
02:39:21.420
know, we had COVID, we had nine 11, we had, you know, the Vietnam war and world war one and
02:39:25.980
two, those were times of tribulation, but this period is specific. This is a specific period
02:39:31.660
of time that is going to be the worst time in history. Jesus himself said in Matthew 24
02:39:37.400
that there will, this will be a time that is unlike any other time. This there's never
02:39:42.520
been a time of tribulation like this on earth ever. And it will be the last period of time.
02:39:46.960
So this, this seven year period, this is the last seven years of the rule of evil on the
02:39:54.240
earth, be it evil men, evil Elohim. This will be it at the end of this seven year period.
02:39:58.760
That'll be the end. And then there'll be the kingdom of Jesus. So, which sounds good and
02:40:03.640
it will be good, but it's going to be, it's not going to be what people think it is. It's
02:40:07.260
not going to be quite the paradise people are expecting. So I just leave that seed there
02:40:11.080
because we have a ways to go before we get to the thousand year kingdom, but I'll just
02:40:15.480
again, leave that seed there. So where do we get this notion of the, this seven year
02:40:21.300
period? It actually starts with, in the, in the book of Daniel, which I mentioned before,
02:40:26.080
Daniel is probably my second favorite book to read in the Bible, second to revelation,
02:40:31.760
because Daniel, you can almost call Daniel like the prequel to revelation. Cause if you
02:40:36.640
don't understand what's going on in Daniel, you're not going to understand revelation.
02:40:40.040
And I think one of the many reasons that people have trouble with revelation is they read it
02:40:44.020
in isolated form. You have to, not only do you need to, do you need to understand Daniel,
02:40:48.600
you need to understand most of the old Testament to understand the book of revelation,
02:40:52.520
but especially Daniel. And we, again, the whole trial thing, you, you will rarely hear
02:40:58.320
teachers talk about this, this trial being set up in revelation four and five, because again,
02:41:03.900
they're, they're not paying attention to Daniel. So just to set up a scenario of what was happening
02:41:08.620
with, with Daniel, Daniel got a prophecy that basically outlined this period of time among other
02:41:14.300
things. So where we are now is Daniel is an old man. So Daniel was taken captive into Babylon.
02:41:22.100
When, when the Babylonian empire conquered Israel was part of the judgment of God because they,
02:41:27.060
they fell into, into idolatry. And God said, if you, if you worship other Elohim, I'll kick you out
02:41:32.960
of the land. So Nebuchadnezzar was his tool. Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians took over,
02:41:37.040
they, they conquered Israel, they destroyed Jerusalem and they took the Israelites into captivity.
02:41:42.980
Daniel was one of them, but Daniel had favor with Nebuchadnezzar. He became basically the prime
02:41:48.220
minister. He, Nebuchadnezzar elevated him to that level. So at this point, when he was a teenager,
02:41:53.960
Daniel did that. We talked about that last time. Um, so at this point, Daniel is an old man. Uh,
02:41:58.880
the Babylonian empire has been conquered by the Persian empire and God told them specifically that
02:42:05.280
you will be in captivity in Babylon for 70 years. Well, we're at year 70. So they're about to,
02:42:12.000
the captivity is about to be over. And Daniel, again, he's an old man has been 70 plus years since he's in
02:42:17.040
his eighties at this point. And so he's praying for God to fulfill his promise and to release them.
02:42:23.780
And he prays for 21 days. And at day 21, he gets visited by an angel, a good, a holy angel by the
02:42:31.660
name of Gabriel and Gabriel. Interestingly, Gabriel said, Hey, you know, I, Jehovah sent me to you.
02:42:37.540
The first day you started praying, it took me 21 days to get here because for 21 days I was being
02:42:42.260
opposed by another angel called the Prince of the power of Persia, who was again, the Persian
02:42:47.020
empire was in power at this time. So they were, so because the Persian empire was the world empire,
02:42:51.760
they had, they were giving all of their attention, all their praise and worship to the Prince of
02:42:57.240
Persia, this Elohim who ruled over Persia. He had power and he was able to withstand against,
02:43:02.620
he was able to block him because he knew, Hey, Daniel's important. If anyone was coming to give
02:43:06.840
Daniel a message, let's stop him anyway, not to belabor that point, but he gets to Daniel and he
02:43:11.820
gives him a prophecy. And I'm going to, I'm just going to read it to you. It's called, it's a famous
02:43:15.380
prophecy called the 70 weeks prophecy. It was four verses. I want to read it really quick. I'm going
02:43:19.400
to break down what it means. So, so starting a Daniel chapter, if you want to look it up, Daniel
02:43:23.380
chapter nine, starting in verse 24 says 70 weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city
02:43:29.160
to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity,
02:43:33.360
to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy and anoint the most holy.
02:43:39.520
So basically what's going on here is he said that in 70 weeks of years, everything's done. This will
02:43:45.760
be 70 weeks of years is what it's going to take to basically end all of evil. Sin's going to be
02:43:51.540
taken care of. It's going to anoint the most holy kingdom. That's everyone. There's only 70 weeks of
02:43:59.140
years left. So 70 weeks of years, what does that mean? Well, in, in back then the Israelites kept,
02:44:06.300
they, they had weeks of years, just like, you know, we have weeks of days, which is, you know,
02:44:10.340
seven days. They also had weeks of years. So seven years. So a week of years, it's called a shibuyam
02:44:14.940
in Hebrew. Shibuya. That's what I thought. So just like, like we, you know, we count years in sets
02:44:23.040
of 10, we call decades. They will have their sets of years in seven called the shibuyam. So, so those
02:44:28.500
70 weeks of years, that's basically 490 years. So in 490 years, um, God's that's, that's all of history.
02:44:36.260
That's all that's going to be left. So, and so the next verse, verse 25 says, know therefore and
02:44:42.360
understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah, the
02:44:47.160
prince, Mashiach Nagir in, um, in, in Hebrew, there shall be seven weeks and 62 weeks or 69 weeks
02:44:53.940
altogether. The streets will be built again, the wall, even in troublesome times. So what he's saying
02:44:59.900
here is that there from, once there's a decree to rebuild Jerusalem, Jerusalem was, have been destroyed
02:45:05.120
by Nebuchadnezzar from the time that decree goes out to rebuild Jerusalem, there will be 69 weeks
02:45:10.160
of years or 483 years until the coming of the Messiah. So that they know that's the exact date
02:45:17.700
the Messiah is going to be. So that's, so that, um, decreed to rebuild Jerusalem. That's a matter of
02:45:23.660
historical record. That is the decree of, of Arctic Xerxes. So, um, a few years after Daniel had this
02:45:29.540
prophecy, the, um, the Persian emperor by the name of Cyrus, uh, releases the Jewish people,
02:45:36.740
release the Israelites to go back to their land. So you guys, you're free to go. You're, you don't
02:45:40.540
have to be in captivity anymore. And many of them did. Some of them stayed because they were
02:45:43.640
comfortable. They had been in there. They've been there for 70 years, but they went back to
02:45:47.460
Jerusalem. They went back to Israel, to the land of Israel. Then there is the actual decree to rebuild
02:45:53.100
Jerusalem. Again, a matter of historic record. It's called the decree of Arctic of King Artaxerxes.
02:45:57.340
He's his, uh, Cyrus, his grandson decrees and allows them to rebuild Jerusalem and rebuild the
02:46:03.060
wall. So that's a matter of record. That's when the countdown begins. So 483 years from that is
02:46:08.300
when the Messiah will come. And if you actually do the math, I had a link on my, on faithbyreason.net
02:46:14.760
in that, in the blog post where I talk about this, I used to have it, um, where someone did the actual
02:46:19.620
calculation and it came out that that time was that 483 years, uh, was, uh, about 32 AD, which was
02:46:27.300
the exact day that what we call Palm Sunday, when Jesus presented himself as King and he, you know,
02:46:31.960
he wrote on the back of a donkey, that was the exact day. So that prophecy was fulfilled to the day.
02:46:38.260
So the question is, well, shouldn't the world have ended seven years after that? Uh, well, let's,
02:46:43.720
let's read on and find out why it didn't. So going to verse 26, verse 26 is after the 62 weeks,
02:46:51.440
the Messiah will be cut off, cut off the word in Hebrew is Karak. It means to be executed.
02:46:57.660
It says, so after 62 weeks or after 483 years, the Messiah will be executed, but not for himself,
02:47:03.540
but for us basically. And the people of the Prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary.
02:47:09.100
And the end of it will be with a flood. And until the end of war, until the end of war and desolations
02:47:15.760
are determined. So it says that at, at year 483, the Messiah will be executed again. We know that he
02:47:23.660
was crucified, but then some things happen, um, that from that happened after the 483 years,
02:47:30.580
but before that final seven years. And it says the people of the Prince who will come,
02:47:35.660
the Prince who will come is one of the names of the antichrist. So the people of the antichrist
02:47:40.880
will destroy Jerusalem. And that happened in 70 AD, 70 AD was the siege of Jerusalem by, um,
02:47:47.300
Titus Vespasian, who was the, uh, Roman general son of the, son of the emperor. He destroyed in 70 AD.
02:47:53.560
So you have at least a gap there of 40 years because Jesus was crucified around the 32 AD and the siege
02:48:00.320
of Jerusalem was around 70 was at 70 AD. So that's almost, that's 40 years right there. So there's a
02:48:04.960
gap in between that 69th and 70th week. And we know, and we know now that that gap has lasted 2000
02:48:11.760
years. Go ahead, Revin. Um, I just wanted to ask something. It's, it's, it's lingering on my mind.
02:48:16.340
This, we see this like seven appearing over and over again. Wait a second. Sorry. What, what year did
02:48:22.080
you say that, that it would have ended? I'm sorry. Um, well, the, the, the 483 years would have ended
02:48:28.900
about 32 AD. It's a little off because, you know, a Gregorian calendar is, is different than the
02:48:34.200
Jewish calendar, 365 days versus 360 days. But there was someone who did a calculation of it.
02:48:40.360
I used to have the link, but his, his website went down where he actually went through. He, he, he,
02:48:44.620
he, um, collated the two calendars, the Jewish calendar and the Gregorian calendar. And he came
02:48:49.300
up with, okay, this is the exact day that Jesus would have had to present himself as the King.
02:48:54.120
And it turned out it was about 32 AD. Interesting. Yeah. There's, there's some
02:48:58.380
people with like this, this year, 536 AD with it. You ever heard of this? It's like the worst
02:49:03.060
year in the world. No. Every volcano erupted. There was darkness. This is what we talked about
02:49:07.980
with, uh, with Paul and, and, uh, and JT. Yeah. There was darkness for 18 months. The bubonic plague
02:49:14.160
like a year after. Oh yeah. I heard about that. I never related it to you. By the way. Yeah. I didn't hear
02:49:19.840
about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fascinating discussion that we had with them.
02:49:23.800
Um, but I, I wanted to talk about this whole seven thing, right? Seven seals, seven trumpets,
02:49:28.960
uh, Daniel prays for 21 days. That's seven times three, the 70 weeks prophecy, the, uh,
02:49:35.560
seven years of tribulation. Is this all to emulate, um, God, like it's, it's not, not an homage,
02:49:43.600
but like, this is almost like this, this repeating pattern of God creating the world in seven days.
02:49:49.240
Is that what it is from, or is there something else to it?
02:49:53.840
I think, I think you're, you're onto it. Um, um, seven is, again, I'm not an expert in,
02:49:59.180
in biblical numerology. Um, I've, I've studied it, studied it a bit, but I'm not expert in it,
02:50:03.260
but I know that seven is the number of, it says number of perfection, but perfection doesn't mean,
02:50:08.540
you know, purity. It means completeness, basically seven, something, seven means it's complete.
02:50:13.420
Okay. Six is a number of man because man is incomplete. Then you have like, uh, you hear
02:50:19.700
other people say, you know, the four is the number of grace and 10 is a number 10 and 12 are like
02:50:25.120
numbers of, of order and government. So there are people who much, who know the numerology much more
02:50:30.280
than much better than I do. But, um, I do know the seven always means complete. If something,
02:50:35.600
seven, if something is done in the sevens, it means it's complete. So seven days of creation,
02:50:39.380
that's all of creation was done. Right. The seven years of the tribulation means that this is it.
02:50:44.120
This is like the, so seven means complete. Fascinating. There is because, you know,
02:50:49.360
there's all this, there's a lot of, um, really fascinating things with numerology, but I'm very
02:50:53.940
hesitant because I see a lot of, um, numerologists and numerology, uh, being leveraged by like people
02:51:01.880
that are into sort of a Jewish mysticism or Kabbalah or things of that nature. And I don't believe
02:51:06.220
that. I think there is something divine to it. I don't think that negative entities can create,
02:51:12.960
they can only corrupt. And so there is something there. Um, but it's like, you know, I'm blocked
02:51:20.200
from understanding it because I run into all of these kind of sketchy alleyways when trying to
02:51:26.200
understand it. And, and seven is just one of those numbers. That's always fascinated me, but
02:51:29.800
all right. It's intentional because it, if you, you, you corrupt something and then like you said,
02:51:35.500
then you don't want to study it because you're like, I don't, this is, you know, there's too
02:51:37.880
many occult stuff, too much occult stuff attached to it. A perfect example of that is what we call
02:51:42.440
the Zodiac. Now the star, now there, the, the original Zodiac, which we call it, so it comes
02:51:48.980
from the Greek word Zoa. And, but the, the Hebrew term for it is the Mazaroth. Now the Mazaroth was put
02:51:56.120
in the skies to tell the story of redemption. God put that in the sky. He says in Genesis,
02:52:02.020
I put the stars in the sky for you to mark seasons and times. And if you actually look at it from the
02:52:06.680
biblical standpoint, the message was in the skies during the time of Adam, you had Virgo, the
02:52:11.880
virgin, which is the, that's the start of the year in the Jewish calendar, the Jewish calendar starts
02:52:15.580
in September, our September, which is the time of Virgo. I know this because I dated a Virgo and she
02:52:21.500
was, I know that because she told me all the time, well, I did this because I'm a Virgo. I'm like,
02:52:25.400
no, you did this because you're an asshole. If you want to blame it on some star that was in the
02:52:29.500
sky when you were born, whatever. I can't confirm I'm a Virgo, so she's an asshole. I'm sorry.
02:52:34.580
Just her, you're, you're great. Other Virgos. Asshole confirmed. Asshole confirmed.
02:52:39.100
But anyway, so it's also Virgo, the virgin birth, and it ends with Leo, the lion, the lion of the tribe
02:52:46.260
of Judah. So it's really, which is, you know, the Jesus coming as, as a king. So if you start with
02:52:51.300
that, if you, and there, you can go to websites and, and, and look at the gospel and the stars
02:52:56.500
and look that up. If you guys have a chance to Google that, and you will see some people have
02:52:59.740
done deep study on this, and they will show how the constellations tell the entire story of
02:53:03.920
redemption. So the story of redemption was in the stars, you know, from day one. And so whenever
02:53:11.260
someone tells me, well, you know, you can't trust the Bible because the Bible was written, you know,
02:53:14.980
thousands of hundreds or thousands of years after this other holy book, and they just copied it. I'm
02:53:18.960
like, no, no, no. The only way you can tell me that the Bible is, that was copied from something
02:53:23.100
else, or the Bible wasn't, what, it wasn't God's word. You have to tell me that whatever
02:53:27.260
holy book you're talking about was written before the stars were put in heaven, because
02:53:30.780
that's the first word of God is the Maseroth. The Maseroth, again, in Greek is Zoha. Zoha
02:53:37.620
in Greek means the way. The first disciples, they didn't call themselves Christians. Christians
02:53:44.080
was a pejorative name that the Romans gave them, because Christian means little Christ.
02:53:48.120
But they called it, what the disciples called themselves, and you see this in the Bible,
02:53:51.160
they call themselves the followers of the way. They called that, they called themselves that in
02:53:57.120
the book of Acts. They were basically saying, we're the ones who are following this, this message in
02:54:02.200
the stars that Jehovah put there, you know, thousands of years ago. We're following that.
02:54:06.880
Well, yeah, that's what this, I mean. But the point I was making is that people have corrupted
02:54:09.800
that and turned it into something occult. So that, so that Christians are like, oh, I'm
02:54:14.940
not going to mess with the, with the Zodiac or all these astrological stuff, because that's,
02:54:18.500
that's from Satan. Well, he corrupted what God originally put there for, for, to give us
02:54:23.600
the story of redemption. And it's, I mean, even, even with the story of Jesus, like the only
02:54:28.340
way the Magi found him were by following the stars. They were just walking across land, looking
02:54:33.080
at the stars, and they're like, he's right there. So something special about that. And yeah,
02:54:36.920
it is one of those things, if you do talk to another Christian, like, don't mess with
02:54:40.400
it. And I kind of agree, like, don't mess with it. If we, if you don't know what it
02:54:43.360
is, like, don't mess with it. But like, I don't know, maybe we have to find somebody
02:54:47.160
who's in it. And it'd be like a real expert at this stuff. If, if we're going to like
02:54:52.100
suggest this to the people. I talked about that this morning on, on timeline cleanse, because
02:54:55.620
numerology has always fascinated me. And I said, the best thing that I can come up with
02:54:59.180
is like, if you're going to go that direction, like talk to God, pray to Jesus Christ for
02:55:04.560
discernment. And to, I mean, if you're going to be adamant in going down that path, that
02:55:10.700
guide, that God guides you to sources that are in alignment with his will, because there
02:55:17.540
is something there. I do not like the idea that you can take something so interesting
02:55:23.800
It's like, it's the difference between praying and meditating, you know, like they seem similar.
02:55:30.880
And in today's society, they never really explained to you, but praying, you're talking,
02:55:34.820
there's a discussion going on. It's aimed meditating. You're empty.
02:55:38.880
My transcendental meditation is empty. Yeah, exactly. But God tells us to meditate, but, but
02:55:44.520
we're not empty. We're supposed to meditate on his word or he tells, you know, meditate.
02:55:48.740
In other words, just clear your mind of everything, except this focus on these words, you know, the,
02:55:53.700
the Shema, you know, you know, hear all Israel, the Lord, our God is one.
02:55:57.200
And they're supposed to meditate on that. Why so suddenly it becomes ingrained in them.
02:56:01.920
David meditated, right? For, and, and, but that scripture says that as he was meditating,
02:56:06.020
he's meditating to focus on the law of God to like absorb it. And then it kind of, I think
02:56:10.780
it says like, it becomes him. Like he becomes so, but he's, he's has his eye, his mind on
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something. It's not empty and open, like an empty vessel for whatever. And that's kind of
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take away all the distractions and just focus and meditate on, on this important thing.
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That's yeah. Yeah. But you gotta be very careful doing these things. There's a distinction.
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Yeah. But, but, but it's also that idea of like, my people shall perish for lack of knowledge.
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Like we, these things, I, I, I just can't get over the idea that there isn't a spiritual
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opposition and they have a, a stronghold on all of these ancient arts and, and things that
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are, you know, that were put here by God and that, you know, followers of Christ are too
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trepidatious to, to even look at them. And, and, you know, by that token, it's like, well,
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then they're just free to corrupt it and they're free to use this thing to, to twist the minds
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of man. Uh, while we just kind of go, well, I don't really know much about it. It seems
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a little bit spooky to me. I'm like, right. And I'm kind of in, you know, I'm, I'm like
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Well, a perfect example is the whole Nephilim thing. I grew up thinking that, you know, that,
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that in Genesis chapter six, they were just bad people, you know, because it became orthodox that,
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you know, when the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of men and the, the, the,
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the Nephilim, they were just, they were just bad human beings. Why? Because why? Because if you
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think that they are actually supernatural, then it says they were, they were the mighty men of all,
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the men of renowned, the men, you know, Hercules and all the other demigods. And it's all, well,
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you're getting into the occult. Like, no, it actually says this. These people were the demigods
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and they were worshiped. So yeah, I believe that Hercules and Achilles and all these other,
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they were real, but they were Nephilim. I I'm not going to worship them, but you don't like throw
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out the baby with the bathwater. You don't say that just because, you know, these people have
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corrupted this history, don't not study histories, not, don't neglect the history, just study it for
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what it is. Yeah. That's how I read the book of Enoch. Yeah, exactly. And then they like, put it,
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put it down. It's not part of the Bible, but look at it. Yeah. See what I think it's important
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because, you know, it was, it's quoted in the Bible, you know, Jude quotes from it directly
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and Peter refers to it directly. It was very popular book during the first century. And honestly,
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you won't know without the book of Enoch, you won't know what a demon is.
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It's a body spirit of Nephilim. You wouldn't know that if you don't read Enoch.
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Right. So it's, it's, it's an important history book, but is it canon? No, but it's an important
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book. Right. So, um, let's just keep going with, with Daniel. So basically where we are. So we had
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69 weeks, 483 years, Messiah comes, Messiah's executed, but then there's a gap of at least 40
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years. And I think we can easily say it's been 2000 years and the people of the Prince who shall come
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destroy Jerusalem. So that means the people of the Antichrist destroy Jerusalem. So that mean,
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could that mean that the Antichrist is a Roman or Italian, or maybe, or it could also mean
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Gentile. So it doesn't necessarily mean that the Antichrist, that the, that the Antichrist
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is a, is, is a Roman and Italian or anything like that. I think you could also.