Nephilim Death Squad - 188： The Meadow Project w⧸ Wesley Roth ｜ Nephilim Death Squad

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00:01:13.480 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

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00:01:27.160 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

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00:02:09.720 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

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00:02:17.800 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:02:52.800 Anyway, guys, getting into today's guest, we have, are joined by Wes.

00:03:01.800 You want to bring him up?

00:03:02.780 Geez, there we go.

00:03:03.900 Wesley, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, let them know a little bit about what you do and what you're here to talk about today.

00:03:11.880 Well, thanks for having me, guys.

00:03:13.020 Yes, I am a filmmaker.

00:03:16.540 I used to be a filmmaker.

00:03:17.980 I used to make the show Cast Castle over at TimCast.

00:03:21.140 That's right.

00:03:22.400 And then I think everybody here knows about the diaspora.

00:03:28.340 The exodus when we were exiled into Babylon.

00:03:32.820 And so now I linked up with Tony Merkel, who is a friend of mine from before.

00:03:42.420 He did a couple of episodes of Cast Castle with me, actually.

00:03:45.760 And then with our director, his name is Ward.

00:03:50.320 He has a company called Dark Holler.

00:03:51.800 If you've got everybody in the chat, if you've never watched Dark Holler, the series on YouTube, awesome.

00:03:58.120 Awesome.

00:03:58.700 So super excited to get to work with him.

00:04:00.480 And we've got a film coming out this weekend.

00:04:04.580 Yes.

00:04:05.100 And that's a lot of what we're here to talk about is this film that you guys have coming out this weekend.

00:04:12.160 But, I mean, it's an interesting sort of segue career-wise, right?

00:04:17.960 You go from doing hard political commentary or at least being around that.

00:04:22.440 Well, I was the producer on – one of the producers on Inverted World.

00:04:26.700 Like I was the – I was the producer when you guys did the show the first time.

00:04:29.800 Yeah, Shane Cashman has a great way of bridging that gap between what Tim does over at TimCast and then what, I guess, this kind of spooky realm.

00:04:39.640 It's actually why we – among many things are the reasons that we love Shane Cashman.

00:04:44.900 But we had him be a part of Bohemian Grove because he's got that kind of spooky bent to him.

00:04:49.580 And, honestly, the conversations that we had with – when you talk to Shane Cashman and you find out, like, what his childhood was like living on that military base and the men dressed up as bears.

00:04:59.000 Yeah, the men dressed up as bears.

00:04:59.840 It's very strange.

00:05:01.100 Very strange.

00:05:01.860 So – but, I mean, I guess in that way then it's not such a giant segue for you.

00:05:05.940 But you're still surrounded by so much of that political commentary where I feel like certainly what Tony presents to the audience is void of that entirely.

00:05:15.720 So now you're emerged in – or immersed, rather, in the spooky.

00:05:20.080 How has that been, that transition for you, going solely to spooky stuff?

00:05:23.740 Well, honestly, like, I don't – not that hard because even before I worked for Tim, this was, like – I spent all of COVID just researching Atlantis.

00:05:38.080 Like, that's all – like, just reading everything.

00:05:40.380 Like, I read Ignatius Donnelly and all these, like, heretic writers.

00:05:45.280 Edgar Cayce.

00:05:46.180 Like, I was super into that.

00:05:47.380 I read Madame Blavatsky and Alice Bailey and all that.

00:05:51.080 Like, it just went super – like, dude, I remember one time.

00:05:53.360 When they first opened up Waffle House, I was sitting there, and I, like, had red in my eyes telling my friend about the Lucis Trust.

00:06:00.100 And I was, like, so far down the rabbit hole.

00:06:02.800 But even before that, like, I had – in, like, 2012, I went down the Illuminati thing.

00:06:06.440 You remember when, like, people are discovering, like, oh, like, I went down that rabbit hole, too, and had to, like, pull myself out of it because I was seeing it everywhere.

00:06:14.480 And successfully, like, retook the blue pill to an extent where I was like, okay, I need to be able to live in the world and not feel constantly afraid.

00:06:22.280 Yeah.

00:06:23.360 And so I guess I've always had that bent, which is weird because I'm also – I have extreme normalcy bias.

00:06:29.440 Like, I am always – I'm super skeptical about everything and lean towards, like, people are good.

00:06:36.380 People are normal.

00:06:37.060 Not so much anymore.

00:06:37.800 But, yeah, but I wanted to get out of, like – to be honest, even at TimCast, I didn't – I was probably less politically active than I've ever been in my life when I worked there because I was around it so much where I was like, I don't care.

00:06:54.280 I do not care.

00:06:55.180 All I care about is Bigfoot and the Nephilim.

00:06:57.360 That's all I care about.

00:06:58.200 I find it becomes hard to engage with those ideas when you have – I mean, not only because it's hard to take it serious, but this other field of study, which I'm comfortable calling it a field of – previously, it would have been pseudoscience and ridiculed.

00:07:11.820 But I think the strangeness of life has dragged us into a place where the conversation is much more serious regarding what was previously dubbed pseudoscience.

00:07:19.940 But it's so much more fascinating.

00:07:23.140 It's so much more interesting.

00:07:24.380 And I don't know, for better or for worse, it's so much more entertaining than trying to engage in the political conversation.

00:07:30.180 Right.

00:07:30.360 And it's – and beyond that, like, it feels more consequential.

00:07:37.520 You know what I mean?

00:07:37.880 Like, that feels more – dude, because a lot of people are like, yeah, that's kind of fantasy stuff.

00:07:43.180 And it's like, it's way more real than politics.

00:07:45.560 Yeah, it almost makes politics feel like – like, if this is, you know, more real than – it almost makes it feel like politics is theater.

00:07:52.460 But I don't know, man.

00:07:53.580 It's been an interesting thing to watch your development, your relationship with Tony.

00:08:00.380 And I feel like it's a lot better of a place for you.

00:08:03.960 You guys just wrapped up this documentary that we're here to talk about today that releases – when is it coming out?

00:08:10.140 And what's the name of it?

00:08:11.320 It's called The Meadow Project.

00:08:13.180 It releases July 27th at 8 p.m. on Moment.co, Moment.co.

00:08:22.240 And it's – so I was not there to film this one.

00:08:25.020 I will be filming them all going forward.

00:08:28.440 We've already filmed another documentary.

00:08:30.560 I think – I don't think I'm breaking any news there.

00:08:32.340 I think Tony's mentioned that several times.

00:08:36.140 I'm bad at not spoiling things.

00:08:38.080 So, again, I'm being really careful.

00:08:40.680 Can we just play the trailer and check it out?

00:08:43.740 No.

00:08:44.940 Yes. 1.00

00:08:45.840 I was like, oh, shit, dude. 0.99

00:08:47.400 That's the last thing we can do. 0.99

00:08:49.360 Because, yeah, I'm guilty of, like, hearing about Tony's documentaries and then not watching them.

00:08:56.840 I just – I guess I do a lot of – I watch all of his shows, but not the documentaries.

00:09:00.660 I actually have.

00:09:01.400 I've watched the documentaries.

00:09:02.760 You know why?

00:09:03.860 Because even though it's kind of – this isn't an insulting thing at all, but it's, like, it's almost been there, done that in the sense of, like, being in the woods and looking for these cryptids.

00:09:15.400 But the old formula has been so beat to death.

00:09:19.220 You know what I mean?

00:09:19.720 When you watch, like – and it's nothing against these guys, but, like, Bigfoot Hunters, let's say, for example.

00:09:23.820 It's the same thing every episode, and they haven't had a fresh take on it.

00:09:28.800 I don't know if the series is still running, but you can guess at what you're going to get.

00:09:32.160 You're going to get knocking on trees, you're going to get whooping, and you're going to be like, did somebody just throw a stone or something like that?

00:09:38.620 And so it's not the content's fault.

00:09:43.540 It's the way that the content is packaged and then presented to the listener or the watcher because this stuff is incredibly fascinating.

00:09:51.000 I mean, there's something there.

00:09:52.460 It's just, for whatever reason, these shows have fallen into their old habits.

00:09:57.420 So Tony comes along, and he makes something about something that's been around for a while, but it's done through a fresh lens.

00:10:03.460 And so I do enjoy what he's been doing lately.

00:10:06.240 For me, it's purely just, like, overload.

00:10:08.220 Like, there's so much good content, and I'm like, how much can I actually watch of Tony Merkel?

00:10:12.100 Like, literally, probably almost five minutes.

00:10:14.960 What does he do?

00:10:15.400 Two hours each episode about?

00:10:17.120 So, like, four hours a week.

00:10:18.280 That's a lot, like, when you pump it.

00:10:19.740 But let's check this out, and we'll see what this is about, and we'll get into this.

00:10:23.980 Let's check it out.

00:10:24.340 Cool.

00:10:24.520 Here we go.

00:10:24.940 Let's check it out.

00:10:29.540 This place is very special.

00:10:31.860 Extremely special.

00:10:35.780 It ranks very high on the list of extreme high strangers.

00:10:41.300 Extreme high strangers.

00:10:42.500 Extreme high strangers.

00:10:46.580 There was all kinds of different phenomena.

00:10:49.740 that his team had documented at the Meadow. 0.92

00:10:52.240 I mean, stuff was popping off at the freaking camp.

00:10:55.300 We knew of all the stories that we had heard them tell over multiple podcasts for the last few years.

00:11:01.500 I'm not sure what I just saw, but Bob just turned into a bottle of luck.

00:11:04.900 Something grabbed my legs and was pulling me out of bed.

00:11:09.160 The only way I could describe it was, like, gone.

00:11:11.860 Shadow people everywhere. 0.89

00:11:13.120 The anticipation parts start ramping up.

00:11:15.640 We are big fans of putting ourselves in environments to see how it unfolds around us.

00:11:19.900 What was that?

00:11:21.600 Okay.

00:11:22.540 I got that on camera.

00:11:23.740 Saw something.

00:11:24.600 Like, real strange.

00:11:25.900 I was starting to let myself believe.

00:11:28.100 We were getting too close to the truth.

00:11:30.100 Let's freaking go.

00:11:31.220 All right.

00:11:31.420 Welcome to the Meadow.

00:11:38.160 It's weird.

00:11:41.580 It's definitely a teaser.

00:11:43.940 And before I go anywhere, I want to ask, what inspired the Cube?

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00:12:33.980 On the thumbnail for the Meadow project, the Cube obviously is something that comes up constantly.

00:12:39.620 And Saturn worship, you know, the Tesseract, right?

00:12:43.040 This idea of a fourth dimensional object.

00:12:46.220 But, I mean, there's a lot of real significance to the symbolism of the cube.

00:12:50.260 Why choose that for the thumbnail?

00:12:52.360 Well, I can share this because this is, Tony's talked about this several times.

00:12:58.080 While the group, so Trey Hudson is the founder of ASOG, the Anomalous Studies and Observation Group.

00:13:03.840 They are the team, they've been investigating this place since 2012 or 13, somewhere in there.

00:13:13.440 And at one point, I think it was 2017, they were doing a nighttime investigation in the Meadow.

00:13:22.340 So, and on thermal, Kristen saw a cube on thermal.

00:13:29.980 Could not see it with her eyes, but it was a cube about 25 feet tall and wide.

00:13:34.620 And so they had three other members there with thermals and put the thermals on and they all saw this cube.

00:13:44.100 And then there was another team that consisted of Trey and two others that were on this ridge behind it.

00:13:51.920 So this, this meadow is sort of a valley.

00:13:54.580 There's two ridges on either side, on either side.

00:13:58.060 And they were up there and they saw it on their thermal as well.

00:14:02.300 The same one in the same location?

00:14:04.340 The same location, yeah.

00:14:06.760 Now the, now I'll say we've got one thermal in the film of this cube.

00:14:13.400 The other thermals were, uh, passive, not active.

00:14:17.580 So they were like, um, visual aids, not recorders.

00:14:21.900 Um, so they were, um, uh, using them to like see in the dark.

00:14:27.900 Cause this was like two or 3 AM.

00:14:30.240 And so they called this unit to come down to check it out and go to the spot.

00:14:36.820 And, um, we've got that footage where they're walking up, they're talking them into the spot.

00:14:41.480 And as they approach the cube, they're saying, Hey, slow down.

00:14:46.060 And at one point it dissipates and disappears.

00:14:48.980 And then as they're starting to walk away, they're like, guys, guys, guys, it's coming back.

00:14:52.820 And like, you can see it's in, it's very ethereal.

00:14:57.240 Like it's, it's almost like if you had a glass cube and filled it with smoke, like that's sort of what it looks like.

00:15:05.700 Um, and like, and like I said, I have extreme normalcy bias.

00:15:10.340 So I look at this and say, there's an explanation for this.

00:15:12.600 Right.

00:15:13.140 And so I'm looking at the footage that they have from the next day.

00:15:18.200 Cause I'm like, this is brush or leaves or something.

00:15:22.540 Well, this was February.

00:15:24.380 And so the footage from the next day where they recreated the walking path, there's nothing, there's no brush.

00:15:30.500 There's no like anything that would resemble this shape.

00:15:34.680 And then I had to say, okay, well, I like, while I don't know what I'm looking at, at one point it does disappear.

00:15:43.360 Right.

00:15:43.760 So as they approach the cube, uh, they walk into the area where it is and their thermal, this cube, just for clarification purposes, West, this is ground level.

00:15:58.160 This isn't something ground level line or anything like that.

00:16:00.400 This is ground.

00:16:00.880 No.

00:16:01.360 Yep.

00:16:01.660 And it's sitting and like on the, uh, according to the testimony from Kristen, when it was at its most, um, illuminate it's it's cause it's heat.

00:16:13.040 Right.

00:16:13.240 So it's when it's, it's hottest, um, the ground under it was glowing hot.

00:16:21.040 Like there's like something had just been sitting on it, like warm, you know, kind of like if, if an animal's laying down and gets up, that's what the grass looked like.

00:16:28.360 And so they walk into the spot where this thing's sitting.

00:16:31.060 I'm sorry.

00:16:31.740 Was this, is this thing actually on the ground or is it floating?

00:16:35.360 It, it, her, her description of it is that it was like inches above the ground.

00:16:39.860 Okay.

00:16:40.260 So like, like six inches above the ground, but it's 25 feet wide, 25 feet tall.

00:16:44.980 So it's crazy.

00:16:46.200 Significant or insignificant amount of space.

00:16:48.600 And so they walk into this space and their thermal images just disappear.

00:16:55.100 So as they're inside of the cube or what they should be inside of, they no longer exist to the outside world.

00:17:02.520 Yes.

00:17:03.000 Thermo imaging.

00:17:03.680 Okay.

00:17:04.280 What is the meadow?

00:17:05.620 Let's start there.

00:17:06.340 What, what, what is this place?

00:17:08.620 It is.

00:17:09.660 So it is a place.

00:17:11.320 They call it the skin Walker ranch of the South. 0.99

00:17:13.540 Um, and it is a location within a forest that has the reason that they checked out in the first place is because there's a lot of, um, native American, um, legends about it.

00:17:30.240 And this being called the crow mocker.

00:17:34.000 And, uh, there was also some like Sasquatch, um, uh, legends that came from there.

00:17:40.520 So the guy at the end who says, welcome to the meadow, he's a Sasquatch researcher.

00:17:44.260 Um, and he, almost all of them are either paramedics or law enforcement or, uh, special operation, former special operations.

00:17:53.900 Trey, uh, the guy who founded it is former DIA, I believe.

00:17:58.960 Um, can I just, uh, I'd like to just offer some clarification for the audience.

00:18:03.840 So I typed in crow mocker and it auto corrected to Raven mocker, which I find to be insulting.

00:18:08.820 And it says, uh, the Raven mockers are figures in Cherokee mythology described as witches or evil spirits that prolong their lives by preying on the sick and dying. 0.88

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00:18:46.840 And we're going to get to that.

00:18:51.060 So where, where exactly, you're not allowed to disclose the location of this somewhere in the South, somewhere in the South.

00:18:56.980 Would you tell us not even the state?

00:18:58.700 I cannot tell you off camera.

00:19:00.900 You can't even say the state.

00:19:02.800 I can't even say the state.

00:19:04.380 Wow.

00:19:04.780 Very interesting.

00:19:05.740 Okay.

00:19:06.320 Um, all right.

00:19:08.460 I have an NDA on that.

00:19:10.160 Okay.

00:19:10.520 Please continue.

00:19:11.360 Please continue.

00:19:12.000 I don't want to get, get you in trouble.

00:19:13.480 I was just, uh,

00:19:14.120 no, no, no, no, everybody's curious, but, but it's to preserve because it is not, um, the location is, is accessible.

00:19:23.500 That's why.

00:19:24.260 So, um, it's, it's hard to get to, but, but you could get to it.

00:19:29.260 Um, and privately owned.

00:19:32.740 Uh, it is not interesting.

00:19:37.060 Yes.

00:19:37.500 That is interesting.

00:19:38.640 So now I see, I, I don't want to keep prying, but now we're like leading to this assumption.

00:19:43.380 Well, it's like, is this part of a state park where you're talking about the Daniel Boone national, but that's like more central.

00:19:47.640 Yeah.

00:19:47.960 But I don't want, I don't want to say anything too much.

00:19:50.260 Yeah.

00:19:50.600 Just cover your face.

00:19:51.660 It's just in the South.

00:19:52.720 Yeah.

00:19:53.240 It's just somewhere in the South.

00:19:55.560 Um, and there's a lot of Southern States.

00:19:57.720 There's, you know, Texas and Florida.

00:19:59.000 Another question in the South.

00:20:01.860 Yeah.

00:20:02.260 But that's, that's South.

00:20:03.740 But if we're talking about the 33rd parallel now, I got, I got some more questions because that would run across like just North of Florida.

00:20:11.580 You're talking Georgia.

00:20:12.480 And then that kind of give away too much.

00:20:14.480 I'm just saying, 33rd, 33rd parallel stuff.

00:20:18.340 Is it close or is this, uh, that I don't know.

00:20:21.240 I don't know.

00:20:21.900 Cause I don't know.

00:20:22.680 I don't know the exact location.

00:20:24.840 Right.

00:20:25.340 Right.

00:20:25.680 I just, I, all I know is the state.

00:20:29.660 Gotcha.

00:20:30.060 Gotcha.

00:20:30.440 Is it a, is it a, uh, is it nevermind?

00:20:33.480 Nevermind.

00:20:33.800 I was going to say, is it a conceal and carry state?

00:20:35.660 Does it look like a man?

00:20:36.880 You surely want to be packed.

00:20:38.500 Don't answer that.

00:20:39.760 Don't answer that.

00:20:40.400 Um, however, so to end the cube story and that was the first time they have seen the cube.

00:20:48.700 I believe they've seen it two more times.

00:20:51.160 So I think three appearances of the cube.

00:20:52.980 Yeah.

00:20:53.760 Um, and no, not in the same spot.

00:20:57.720 Um, and they, so they went into the cube, right?

00:21:04.120 And then the cube disappears around them and they reappear in the spot where they're standing.

00:21:09.020 Now, how they describe it.

00:21:10.300 And this is in the film as well, is that when they went into the cube, it felt very easy to get into.

00:21:15.760 However, when the cube disappeared, they were surrounded by brambles and they had to like stomp them down to get out.

00:21:22.160 And so they were like, these were not here when we went in.

00:21:25.160 And then additionally, two of the three people who entered the cube have now passed away.

00:21:30.480 Okay.

00:21:30.880 Wait, okay.

00:21:31.380 So yeah, the brambles that you're talking about, um, they were around the perimeter of the cube and then they had, they were, they were standing in them.

00:21:38.620 So where they were standing, standing in the brambles and they were like, and briars and they were like these, we did not, if they said it was flat, like grass when they walked in.

00:21:47.860 And then this is at nightfall, right?

00:21:49.180 So, I mean, this is a nice or else they wouldn't be using thermal vision.

00:21:51.880 So they didn't perceive any difficulty getting in the proximity and then crossing over into what would have been, I guess we could describe it as a veil of some sort.

00:21:59.840 But when this cube does disappear and their images reappear on thermal imaging, suddenly then they're obstructed by bramble and bush.

00:22:08.540 Yes.

00:22:09.400 Huh.

00:22:10.120 So it's almost like inside of this cube is, uh, I mean, this seems like the, the perimeters of the cube seem like a portal and inside of it are somewhere else.

00:22:19.540 Mm-hmm.

00:22:20.700 And then when it disappears, you're back into normal reality.

00:22:23.600 Very interesting.

00:22:24.620 Now, when they've seen, when they saw the cube three different times, I think I just asked this, but I'm retarded.

00:22:29.440 Um, they are in different locate.

00:22:31.480 The cube is in a different spot.

00:22:33.160 Yeah.

00:22:33.340 Same size, same cube.

00:22:35.160 Um, I don't know about the size on the other times.

00:22:37.320 I just know that they've mentioned seeing it, um, other times and I don't have it.

00:22:41.680 Like I'm as familiar with this as I am the footage that I have, right.

00:22:45.760 I was not on location.

00:22:46.800 Um, and to be clear on what this film is, this film is sort of an observation of the work that they've already done.

00:22:57.660 So there is a book, Trey has a book called the metal project, and this is less about what Tony and them and the gang went to do.

00:23:07.340 So the, they were there to, uh, get the stories from them in location and, and not, it not feel sterile.

00:23:17.200 Right.

00:23:17.620 So, um, there were investigations taking place, but it's more, this film is more about adapting this, the stories from this book and putting the information out there.

00:23:27.120 Um, you wouldn't happen to know, Wes, if there was like on this property near these sightings of this cube, um, running water or anything like that?

00:23:35.340 Like Creek maybe?

00:23:36.620 Yes.

00:23:36.920 He's doing $113.

00:23:40.360 Come on.

00:23:41.160 Come on, Trey.

00:23:41.940 What are we doing here?

00:23:43.360 It might be out of print.

00:23:45.000 Uh, yeah, I think it's, uh, yeah.

00:23:47.080 So you heard that top?

00:23:48.240 Yeah.

00:23:48.420 It says that there, uh, or at least seem to have hinted that there was a body of running water nearby.

00:23:53.700 Okay.

00:23:54.180 That makes sense.

00:23:55.280 So we're figuring out what's charging this cube, some sort of body of, uh, I assume fresh water.

00:24:01.740 Okay.

00:24:03.040 Yep.

00:24:03.580 Please continue.

00:24:04.520 We're narrowing it down as you go.

00:24:07.940 Um, and there is a, an L I don't want to like give away all of the like things that happen, obviously.

00:24:14.120 Um, obviously most of them are in the book, but there is a, an incident that does occur that involves the water itself.

00:24:20.440 Um, I mean, I guess I guess.

00:24:23.680 I would say it's, it caused like a mass, uh, confusion in one of the investigators.

00:24:33.740 Um, at, when he crossed the water, he forgot where he was.

00:24:41.940 Um, and he felt like he was in another place.

00:24:45.700 So he crosses the stream and he's a hundred percent sure.

00:24:49.400 And we've got the footage of that as well, where he's like, I don't know where I am.

00:24:54.140 And they come get him.

00:24:55.260 And he's like super excited about, he thought he found a second part of the meadow and they're like, Trey, you're literally where we jumped.

00:25:04.420 Like he literally crossed the stream and crosses back in the footage.

00:25:08.700 And he didn't realize he did that.

00:25:11.360 And then he took the rest of the day off, I guess.

00:25:14.260 And it was like, I, and he said, when they told him that it was the same place, he said, it felt like everything shifted back.

00:25:22.700 And he was like, hold on.

00:25:25.400 Like, he was like, I, I gotta take the day off.

00:25:27.580 Like this is crazy because I'm pretty sure I know where this is down for the audience.

00:25:34.120 Our audience is very smart.

00:25:36.080 Did you know that? 1.00

00:25:37.060 Um, they're retarded. 1.00

00:25:38.320 Don't worry about them. 0.97

00:25:38.960 No, but I, I know I could, I can figure out the state that they're in at the very least.

00:25:42.860 And if they are close, this does run along somewhere near the 33rd parallel also shows up in a certain story that I've been kind of obsessed with mother horse eyes.

00:25:53.580 Um, very interesting stuff.

00:25:55.980 Please continue, Wes.

00:25:57.060 I'm, uh, I'm, uh, picking away at this scab here.

00:26:00.520 Go ahead, man.

00:26:01.320 Where are we going next with this story?

00:26:03.060 Cause I'm.

00:26:03.720 Yeah.

00:26:04.200 So, so they have this incident with the cube, but you said that two of them died.

00:26:10.040 Yes.

00:26:10.800 Afterwards.

00:26:11.040 And, and of what?

00:26:13.320 Uh, one, I believe past, uh, one was cancer.

00:26:19.200 Um, and we touch on that lightly, um, in the film.

00:26:25.840 Um, and, and the film's dedicated to both of their, um, memories.

00:26:30.060 And so, uh, as a investigator named Bob Wilson passed cancer shortly after that.

00:26:36.840 Um, and then there's another investigator named Tim who also, uh, passed away.

00:26:41.420 I, I'm not a hundred percent sure what, but I know it was not expected.

00:26:46.380 Um, but it does seem like all of them, everybody that is there investigating is having some sort of long-term chronic health issue.

00:26:55.140 Um, uh, to varying degrees.

00:26:58.520 And, and they now approach this place differently where the team's much larger than the amount of people who are there in the film, but they don't, they cover it in teams over time.

00:27:09.860 So like in, in, in segments of the team, right?

00:27:12.920 So these people are out here for this long and then they take time off and then the next crew comes in and they, um, stagger the amount of time they spend there.

00:27:22.280 Yeah. Okay. In order to, to minimize the amount of exposure, let's say.

00:27:27.140 I think it, uh, is that, um, and one of the things that Trey said was that they want to give the environment time to breathe as well and not wear it out.

00:27:41.280 Um, that's interesting. Well, the, I think the reason, you know, I'm just going to come out and say it for the audience who's probably putting this piece together as well as oftentimes in extreme supernatural circumstances, um, where there is a lack of tangible evidence or, or any sort of meaningful, you know, material left behind, what is left behind is traces of, of, of, you know, uh, radioactivity, let's say.

00:28:07.020 Well, that's part of it as well. I mean, this is going to get interesting.

00:28:10.880 So, so obviously then the correlation that could be drawn and, and, you know, outside of any real evidence, it's just speculation. Uh, but given that, that one of the, uh, investigators unfortunately passes from, from cancer, uh, you can start to draw that line of speculation. Was there some sort of, uh, radioactive, um, you know, reason for, for cancer?

00:28:34.860 And then it's, it, it, it asks the further question of like, well, what exactly is radioactivity? Cause it's like, uh, like extreme concentration of energy in, uh, uh, in a small area is what radioactivity seems like. And they've had, uh,

00:28:49.560 Well, it's like, you'd say it's chaotic ionization, right? Like it's, it's a destructive, destructive energy, right? Like it's, it's the way that the, uh, particles in the, in these atoms interact with the atoms around them.

00:29:04.700 And that's why it essentially what radio, like dangerous radioactivity, what it does is it tears your cells apart. It tears, it's like, like, um, like a, a wood chipper in the air, you know, it's very, uh, yeah.

00:29:19.460 Yeah. And, and like, to speak to that, this, we don't really focus too much on it in the film. So I don't feel like it's spoiling anything. One of the things that happens when these events happen, because they're doing all sorts of readings. They're, they're, uh, measuring, um, electromagnet, uh, electromagnetic field. Um, they're, um,

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00:30:06.780 They have time displacement monitor to see if time runs differently in between two locations, which does happen there where like, what, why did the, the time meters now they're one second off from each other? Like that's strange. Uh, and that's a lot of time. Like that's a lot of time designed to be synchronized and run in tandem so that you can keep time. Yes. Yeah. And they like, they're connected by a cable. Like they're there. It's a long distance cable that are connecting these

00:30:36.780 two things. So they shouldn't, they should be running off the same thing that's running time. Right. But it's like, no distortion. Yeah. Time displacement meter, I believe is what it's called. And then they're also doing, uh, they've got, um, I don't think they're Geiger counters, but they have something that reads the radiation levels.

00:30:54.380 And this is what I found. Like when I was going through the footage, cause when we first, when I first received the project, I was like, okay, I'm just going to watch all of this and try to get an idea of what happened. First of all. And when he said, yeah, when these things happen, the, um, radiation level jumps from the baseline up to, um, and he said, it's always up to 0.33 micro receivers. And I was like, well, that's interesting.

00:31:24.380 Whoa. Whoa. Illuminati confirmed. Yeah. 0.33 micros. Uh, and I wonder what, um, uh, you know, I'm sure that's not something that would really blow your hair back, but I wonder what that would be comparable to being in the presence of what does, uh, I mean, it's about baseline and that's enough.

00:31:41.320 Does Tony pick up on that? Because I was actually having a conversation with him, um, and came up, uh, what was the episode number that he had with the guy that you love? You just absolutely love him. You just believe everything he says. Nathan Reynolds.

00:31:54.380 Oh, Nathan Reynolds. I think it was episode, uh, 770. Did I, did I taste a hint of sarcasm? No, I believe I like the, I think Nathan Reynolds is legit, but Dave is just, he's not sure. He's not so sure. But, uh, I, I, yeah, I brought up, I was like, Oh, you know, episode 770 kind of interesting, you know, like, uh, this is like the number of 770.

00:32:14.380 And it was on the day one of the seventh month of, you know, and it's just like, not to be gay and numerological, but, uh, Tony, but Tony was just like, I don't care. And I was like, Oh, all right. So I guess you don't care about, but you know what though? Based. 0.68

00:32:27.460 Yeah. He's like, he goes, I don't care about that. No. So hold on. What, what didn't he care about?

00:32:34.440 The fact that it was the 770th episode released on the first day of the seventh month. Right.

00:32:40.100 Oh, gotcha. Yeah. And you know, it's just like some little numerology. Yeah.

00:32:44.000 Yeah. And Tony Merkel could give less, couldn't give less of a shit. And I appreciate that about it. 1.00

00:32:50.540 Did he care about the 33rd and also, um, did you hear from any of the people that were there? Like

00:32:55.480 actual tangible, like, did they feel anything tangibly? Cause sometimes when you're in these

00:32:59.300 places, you can, you know, get it. Yeah. So, so they did, did say it felt strange. Um, and it felt,

00:33:07.040 um, like staticky, like static electricity kind of, um, like it was hard to put into words,

00:33:14.000 um, and, uh, and, you know, I asked these questions in like those interview segments with

00:33:20.740 Tony, Joel and word, like we, I was there to shoot those. Um, and so we talked a lot about it and

00:33:28.860 we even, this isn't in the film, but we shot like a round table, um, of having them discuss things.

00:33:35.980 But I ultimately like made the decision. I was like, this doesn't, this isn't adding to it. Um,

00:33:41.800 and so we, but we just cut that segment, but there was a lot of like, and we, we kind of made a decision

00:33:48.540 to not speculate as to what it is or why it is. We, um, and part of it was because we just didn't

00:33:57.900 feel that we had enough information. So like, and that could have been something we did. Yeah.

00:34:03.960 Well, uh, we do, we speculate endlessly with, with next to zero information.

00:34:10.700 Well, the thing, the thing about it is, is that there is no, you can't really like end this,

00:34:17.580 right? Like there is no, if a, if a fallen angel came out and was like, I am such and such. And I,

00:34:24.320 this is my, yeah. Like I would've been like, okay, cool. We got it. Uh, we signed this release

00:34:29.260 Metatron like, and, uh, but we, that didn't happen. Right. So like, this is more about like

00:34:37.180 what happened to this team. And, and like, I would say one of the things I'm trying to bring to these

00:34:42.880 is because they've got several films before I came on. And one, one of the things I want to bring on

00:34:49.220 is like taking the story that the film's about, but then having some sort of like takeaway that has

00:34:57.320 nothing to do with it. Like specifically, like, like how, what about this? Can you apply to your

00:35:03.560 own research? What about this? Can you take away the boundaries of radiation poisoning?

00:35:07.860 No, just like, like in this one, it was about what kind of person does this kind of work long-term

00:35:13.900 take? Like you should not be going out into situations like this. If you're not wrapped in

00:35:19.200 the armor of the Lord. And if you're somebody who's like, so like the guy who does our visual effects,

00:35:24.120 his name's Kent. He also worked for Tim, did Tim's music videos with us. He's, he, his job before

00:35:31.100 like 10 years ago or 15 years ago is he was one of the editors and filmers for Ghost Adventures

00:35:37.380 and, um, like the Zach Baggins. Um, and, uh,

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00:36:09.220 And he, so he has some experience in this type of space, but that space is obviously much

00:36:18.520 different. Um, and, uh, but the point is that those shows like that were like getting people

00:36:26.960 to go, that's why we have so many ghost hunting channels, right? It's because people out there

00:36:30.220 and they're like, yo ghost. Have you ever seen the way they do it in like Japan, Japan? And, um, in,

00:36:37.600 in any of the Muslim countries, they will, they like go in swearing, uh, and screaming and they, 1.00

00:36:43.880 you know, they're very aggressive. They like boot doors open and, and shout a bunch of, you know,

00:36:48.200 uh, insults at it. And I go, that's a very interesting method. Uh, I don't know that I would

00:36:54.120 be immersed in what I was convinced was real supernatural spiritual phenomenon and not

00:37:00.300 eventually come to the conclusion that I should probably align myself with what is the, the,

00:37:05.760 the more positive aspect of the supernatural phenomenon, which would be, you know, aligning

00:37:09.520 yourself with Jesus Christ. It seems that these people never draw that correlation or I don't

00:37:14.720 know if they can't, if they don't draw that correlation or they, they won't because if you're

00:37:19.560 Zach Baggins and I'm only speculating here, but you have all this apparatus built up and you,

00:37:24.540 you know, he's the guy that kind of dresses in like Ed Hardy jeans while he's ghost hunting.

00:37:28.340 Yeah. So something about Ed Hardy jeans and ghost hunting just doesn't seem like it vibes with the

00:37:34.180 Lord. So I think it's bad for his brand or he perceives it to be bad for his brand. And in that way

00:37:39.480 does not, um, I guess, uh, arm himself correctly. And it's a real dangerous place to be. That's an

00:37:46.740 interesting takeaway. Uh, a lot. Where are you in your spiritual journey? If you're in the woods,

00:37:53.960 um, on a regular basis, searching for ethereal cubes, are you aligned with the Lord or are you

00:37:59.600 not? It might be better if you are. So that's the question that you're asking. Yes. Well, no,

00:38:06.520 I would say that's not even a question I'm asking. It's more of a, uh, warning. Yeah. It's a,

00:38:16.400 it's a teachable moment of like, Hey, and, and one of my observations, personal observations is

00:38:22.980 this stuff seems to happen to people who are empty, um, more often. And so like, do you mean the,

00:38:31.680 the, the, um, interacting with the phenomenon or, or having a bad outcome? Uh, interaction. Uh,

00:38:41.040 cause my, my whole philosophy on it is because like, I've, this isn't the, I didn't go to this 0.96

00:38:46.580 place, but I have been the idiot with a, uh, a handy cam in the middle of the haunted place.

00:38:52.620 Like the, actually the first, the very first ghost adventures was filmed in my hometown. Um, 0.92

00:38:57.660 at a, yeah, the movie, the one that came out in like 2003 or four was filmed at central state,

00:39:03.520 uh, mental, uh, asylum. Um, and I used to go there all the time is it's, it's gone now.

00:39:09.540 They tore it down, but I used to go all the time. And, uh, like, like we would split up and stuff.

00:39:18.180 And, and like, I knew people that were like, this really crazy thing happened to me. And I was always

00:39:23.680 like, it's crazy. Nothing ever happens to me. Nothing. Um, and it's not that I have no paranormal

00:39:29.580 like experiences. In fact, I just had one working on the film the other night. Um, uh, it was two in

00:39:36.760 one night actually. It was very strange. And this stuff does not happen to me. Like I'm not,

00:39:40.840 like, uh, I'll, I'll get there. Um, and, but I, my working theory is that if you are rolling,

00:39:52.960 like with a gang filled with the Holy spirit, that those things don't want that smoke.

00:39:58.620 Like there's nothing to do there. There's no vessel to occupy and best case scenario,

00:40:05.020 you get casted out in the name of the Lord. Yeah. And like, it's very hard to deceive because

00:40:10.120 those people are aware of the idea of testing the spirits and, and because they're not there to

00:40:15.360 like, sure. They'll like torture and scare people. They, what they really want to do is seduce and 1.00

00:40:20.180 make you think that they are truth. Um, yeah. Or, or if they can do it on a minor level and convince

00:40:26.220 you that they are you, that's a good place to start as well. Yes. Um, and yeah, that's a big

00:40:32.980 one. And, but they, I don't think they can get away with that. Um, I, and in many cases they can,

00:40:39.380 there's a lot of people who are, you know, like, uh, in scripture, like we cast out demons in your

00:40:44.560 name, flee from me. I never knew you. And it's like, there, there is something to be said for that,

00:40:48.500 but people who really are imbued with the Holy spirit and have a relationship with Christ,

00:40:54.880 like, I don't think I'm not saying nothing will ever happen to those people. I'm not saying that

00:40:59.360 at all, but I think the chances of them being enticed to there's just no, they're there, you

00:41:05.500 know, like for them, it's like, you don't, if you're a salesman, you don't walk into a neighborhood

00:41:11.420 where you've already sold everybody on whatever your product is. You, right. That's a great analogy.

00:41:16.880 That's a great, or where, or where they're, you know, bound up in a contract with somebody else.

00:41:20.420 Like I used to be a door to door salesman for true green and I would not go into the

00:41:24.300 neighborhood that Scott's lawn care had the contract with the whole neighborhood. I'd be

00:41:28.280 like, there's no reason. Like I can't do anything. Yeah. Um, I want to ask you a question about

00:41:34.860 the nature and how it changes if you're in alignment with the Holy spirit versus if you are, um, ghost

00:41:42.660 hunting, is there still any value in going to these places? Let's say, um, under the context

00:41:49.440 of gaining ground in spiritual warfare, because there's, there's one aspect of going there for

00:41:55.240 the entertainment value. And there's another aspect of going there. Um, and, and even on

00:42:00.500 the entertainment value, also, uh, informing people who are, who are viewers and who are

00:42:04.720 listeners. But what about this idea of engaging in spiritual warfare to, to win ground? Is that

00:42:11.180 applicable in, in, you know, in your experience or, uh, in your estimation, but before we go there,

00:42:16.780 uh, we're at the 40 minute mark. So everybody who's watching on X on rumble and on YouTube,

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00:42:31.660 the seven day free trial. And that way you can at least get the rest of this conversation and hang

00:42:35.880 out in the live chat. Otherwise we will see you guys later. Goodbye. So, so Wes, um, you know,

00:42:43.960 there, there's a driving force to going out to these locations. You said yourself that you used

00:42:48.820 to go to, um, what was it like the asylum? And, and I was a big fan of that when I was younger

00:42:53.780 in New Jersey, uh, we had, um, weird, New Jersey was a magazine series, a book series that would tell

00:43:00.960 you all the strange locations around New Jersey. And we would go and see these places. We'd go to,

00:43:06.420 uh, you know, the devil's tree and we'd go to all these different, there was one that I wanted to go

00:43:11.880 to called the gates of hell, which was in Clifton, New Jersey. And you had to kind of navigate. I

00:43:17.380 never went there because of this, but you had to navigate a sewer system. And depending upon when

00:43:21.620 you went there, if it was the rainy season, you'd be in some trouble, right? The water would, would

00:43:25.600 well up on you. And, uh, and you probably allegedly even had to go through a bit of a submerged area to

00:43:31.060 get to this spooky door and yada, yada, yada. But there is this allure there. And so at what point

00:43:37.820 do you think, um, that is unhealthy, but then is there a healthy version of it? Like I mentioned

00:43:45.560 before, going to these places to, uh, win ground in the name of the Lord via spiritual warfare. Does

00:43:51.600 that apply at all to what's happening? Um, I think there is a reason I think, um,

00:43:58.540 you are much more at risk of something you're not aware of. Um, like if you don't get a diagnosis

00:44:09.040 with an illness, you're much more likely to pass from it. And I think that this is also, uh,

00:44:16.280 uh, can manifest itself as an illness, right? Like to, to go back to what I was saying about,

00:44:23.280 like, uh, I don't want people to think that I was saying that if you're wrapped in the armor of the

00:44:27.640 Lord, when you go into these places, you're totally safe. I don't think that's true. I think

00:44:31.900 from Tony's own testimony, that's not true. Um, that these things, they may not give you what

00:44:38.360 you're there to look for, but they may follow you, um, and affect you, um, in, in other ways to put a

00:44:45.820 cloud over your head. Um, I think we, like you guys are familiar with the story of when Tony went to

00:44:51.940 witness to that gentleman that he worked with. And then he felt like he gave him what

00:44:57.640 ever was with him for a year. The, the huggy guy, the huggy guy, um, he just wanted a hug. I don't

00:45:03.760 know. He just wanted three hugs. I don't have any problem with three hugs. He actually, I think

00:45:10.160 that's a risk. He told me, he told me that story cause I had called him to ask him about something,

00:45:15.560 uh, similar to that. And, uh, it's, it was interesting. They seemed like there was like a

00:45:21.680 transfer with that hug, like a transfer of a weird sexual energy, which is something he doesn't

00:45:26.540 mention on his show. Cause it's like more, you know, it's family friendly, but the guy

00:45:31.020 like kept pressing his, uh, that area on him. And I'm like, that's really interesting.

00:45:37.900 Super interesting. Like why that would, why you do do it that way?

00:45:42.620 Well, yeah, not to get too into the love portal. Well, I mean, but I mean, there is a reason why

00:45:50.060 people like Crowley and his, um, I don't know, followers are so into sex magic, ritualistic sex 0.84

00:45:57.900 magic, right? There is a, a, an energy exchange, uh, a unique one that comes from anything of the

00:46:04.460 sexual variety. It's, it's also why they target children in that way. Uh, so that's unsurprising.

00:46:10.100 I mean, I maintain that to us, it's sex to them. It's something else, you know, to the, to the other

00:46:16.400 realm, it, it is an alchemical process and it's just a means of transference. Cause that's, that's

00:46:22.500 what it's transferring life energy. Yes. There, there's a, but when you, when you, when it's,

00:46:28.060 when it happens between two people that are in love, a husband and a wife, um, that love aspect

00:46:34.560 is something totally number one, incredibly powerful. Uh, but two, it can be the, the, the purest

00:46:42.500 form. I mean, I don't want to call it, um, magic, but I mean, I guess in some ways it is. And if it,

00:46:47.620 if it is this incredibly powerful energy, that's pure, and then the by-product of it, the fruits

00:46:53.580 of it are, you know, a child. Well, yeah, that's like the, the, the tip of the spear in regards to

00:46:59.680 what we can perform here. So to invert that and then do things like try to bring in the moon child 0.85

00:47:04.700 and things like that into this realm, uh, that all, that all tracks. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's,

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00:47:39.340 This powerful form of magic that we're capable of executing as, as mortal beings here.

00:47:43.800 Yeah. And it's imagine, you know, you're, we're all made in the image of God, right?

00:47:47.740 But then each of you, each of us is imbued with 50% of the ability to create another being

00:47:54.520 made in the image of God. Like that's pretty, pretty crazy. It's crazy that we take it for

00:47:59.200 granted. You know, it's wild that we've lost that when you put it that way. I mean, it's

00:48:03.160 massive, but yeah, we really, really like if you color it that way, which I think one should,

00:48:09.040 it really makes, you know, like abortion seem like that's exactly where my head was going

00:48:13.500 is like, you're really messed up.

00:48:16.960 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, and then you look at what our society has done

00:48:21.120 and the way that we've normalized it, encouraged it and called it a right, called it liberation

00:48:25.220 when it is, I mean, it's a liberation, but shout your abortion, man. 0.74

00:48:28.280 Yep. Yeah. Yeah. There's an interesting conversation going around on Twitter right

00:48:32.660 now between, uh, it's Andrew Tate and the other guy from, uh, fresh and fit. And they're talking

00:48:38.440 about, uh, the idea of monogamy, like, you know, you gotta have multiple partners. You

00:48:42.600 have to have multiple wives. Women are just vessels to be filled with your cum. And I'm just 1.00

00:48:47.960 like, this dude is such a, I enjoy, I enjoy him. I think he's funny, but I'm like, this is so

00:48:55.900 dangerous to, uh, like just the male American, the young American male. It's like this ideology

00:49:04.000 that you're talking about. Like, yeah, sure. You're right. Like your, uh, never ending satiation

00:49:09.860 for sexual desire is real, but you're just going to like fill that with anyone that's willing. It's,

00:49:18.300 it's a crazy concept. And they're like, you're gay. You should have more, have more sex with random 0.99

00:49:23.460 woman. I'm like, okay, okay, dude. I don't think that's the, it's the mirror image of the feminist 1.00

00:49:28.420 movement, right? Free sex and, and all of that, no accountability and yada, yada, yada. Like it's the

00:49:33.320 exact thing. It's just feminism for men, which is when you put it that more people should be putting 1.00

00:49:38.240 it that way. Do it as men, do we really want men in ism? Do we want feminism for men? 0.98

00:49:43.380 Men in ism. 0.95

00:49:44.460 You want to talk about gay? Um, so, okay. All right. But, but getting back to this, uh, 0.68

00:49:49.780 this discussion, um, I did want to ask something and then, uh, you know, if, if we can figure out

00:49:54.120 where the hell we were on the tracks, um, just for clarification purposes, when we earlier mentioned

00:50:00.540 that, that two people passed away, one of them from cancer, the other one untimely, um, these were

00:50:07.400 two individuals that were seen sort of blipping off the radar in the, uh, uh, infrared?

00:50:15.340 Yep. The same way.

00:50:16.560 Or the thermal, yeah.

00:50:17.640 The thermal, the thermal. Okay. I just wanted to, cause I wasn't sure if that was just investigators

00:50:21.520 that were on site or if that was literally two of the individuals that would have disappeared

00:50:26.460 off thermal temporarily and then reappeared.

00:50:28.400 Yep. Yes. And they're the two that, unless I'm mistaken, cause this is, I'm, when you're

00:50:37.140 looking at thermal, a human being is just as white spot. So, but they kind of went, you

00:50:42.880 know, like you've got three of them and they kind of went like that. So one went deeper

00:50:47.560 in or one went more like not as far in as the other two. And they like, there's a daytime

00:50:53.740 recreation where they show where they walked and where they stood so that you can see that

00:50:58.620 they're still there. Um, and it, uh, uh, I think that kind of lends to it. So like the

00:51:06.300 two that went deeper in or the two that, you know,

00:51:10.740 What do you think, Wes? I mean, are, are you yourself interested in, in going to these

00:51:16.500 places? Not really. Not really. Not really. Um, I went to, I went to, we've got another

00:51:22.440 film coming like that. I haven't even started again, but yeah, well I went in the one that

00:51:28.660 we, we shot a film in June. Um, and we went to this location and I, I don't know what Tony

00:51:38.200 has said about it. So I'm not going to say what the film is or where it took place, but

00:51:41.460 it is a story you guys have all heard of for sure. Um, it's a legend that we went to

00:51:47.040 like look into, um, a famous one. And, uh, I, uh, what I'll say about is I expected it

00:51:58.280 to be a lot worse than it was. Um, like just the environment. And while there were definitely

00:52:04.480 elements of like creep factor, I expected to be like, there were definitely things that

00:52:11.220 happened that I was like, I'm, I don't like this because we slept in a, we slept in tents

00:52:16.480 for six days straight. And, uh, I didn't get a tent for six. I'll, I'll camp for two days.

00:52:24.060 We'll have a two day. I'll, you know, I mean, like I'll show up on day one, sleep in a tent

00:52:28.400 on day, you know, that night. And then I'll leave the next day. Yeah. Well, I did like,

00:52:32.400 I enjoyed the camping and camaraderie and brotherhood aspect of it, but it was June. So like at night,

00:52:40.760 it was very cold. And so I slept in my clothes and my coat, but then I would wake up and it would

00:52:46.800 be 80 degrees. And I'd be like, ah, get me out of here. And my tent was like, my tent was like

00:52:53.380 dark, dark Brown. So it's like pulling in all the heat. It's like, it was awful. Uh, and also I'm the

00:52:59.760 biggest person there. And, uh, giant too. I'm six, four and a half. Yeah. Yeah. What is

00:53:08.020 going on? Why do we, why do we just have a face of a baby? I know, right? Yeah. Well,

00:53:13.200 I'm a string bean though. Like I look like, I look like a normal person that somebody grabbed

00:53:17.120 the middle of and stretched. It just seems like all we do is talk to tall people.

00:53:20.520 Uh, but, uh, but I had the smallest tent. Like I was sleeping. It was one of those square

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00:53:58.360 But no, like I didn't, I expected the area we were in to feel a lot more oppressive than

00:54:06.100 it did. Um, and, and I think part of it was because the people we talked to, we talked

00:54:12.500 to a lot of people that investigate there all the time and they were like, I would literally

00:54:18.220 not like, do not sleep here. Like they're like, don't do this. Uh, all of them warned

00:54:23.760 us. And even before we went and we were like, yeah, everybody we've talked to is saying like,

00:54:27.220 do not do this. Um, most, there've been a lot of people who tried to stay there and then

00:54:32.200 nobody stayed on the property overnight that we went to ever. Um, and we were like, well,

00:54:39.100 here we go. And yeah, like we were, we, yeah, it just, I think it was what I was saying before

00:54:47.340 is like that little campground was like a Patronus charm. And it was like, we aren't going over

00:54:54.360 there. Um, and, and like, that's not to say that nothing weird happened, but all the things

00:55:01.640 that weird that were happening around us were happening way over there, like way over there.

00:55:07.300 And it was like, it was trying to get, I'll say that it was like, it was trying to get one person

00:55:11.100 to go out there alone. Interesting. Interesting. That's actually a, you know, a technique that you

00:55:17.560 see in these movies. I mean, it's like somebody goes out into the woods, they're camping and then

00:55:21.680 this thing will drag them away or lure them out. It's very Wendigo stuff, right? Yes. So the reason

00:55:28.720 that I was asking is because we had, um, an offer to go out to someplace and I don't know. I mean,

00:55:35.860 it's, it's the 22nd today. Um, I mean, I guess, you know, in the realm of possibilities,

00:55:41.720 it could still happen, but it's, it's, it's out in, in Utah. Um, and it's one of the many

00:55:46.760 properties that are sort of skin Walker ranch adjacent. Is this space? No, it's not space.

00:55:52.660 It's a moon Lake moon Lake. Okay. And, uh, and so, but I did have, so, you know, when you,

00:55:59.740 when you look into it, it's done by, I forget what the name of the person is, but there's like a

00:56:03.440 treasure aspect, like treasure hunting is part of this whole thing. And then of course,

00:56:07.420 Terry Jones, Terry Jones. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, so there's all this obvious, you know,

00:56:12.520 high strangeness as well. Um, and I did have this, like, you know, I had a dream. I don't know. I

00:56:18.360 had this weird dream where, uh, I found myself in a place that I was invited to. And there was like,

00:56:24.620 it was, uh, you know, there was, uh, uh, other people were also invited to this place. I don't know.

00:56:29.700 And it was kind of like a mansion, not really a mansion. It was just any who, um, when I was

00:56:34.040 there, I, I suddenly had discovered that I stepped into the wrong place. You're telling a dream story

00:56:39.200 right now. I'm telling a dream story. Sorry. So, so, so, uh, I had, I had realized that I was in the

00:56:49.120 wrong place and in the dream, I managed, I managed to pull up some details that I had overlooked on my

00:56:57.860 phone and the details had something to do with like grays and, and, you know, their involvement.

00:57:03.480 And so I immediately, first thing I realized I had my gun on me and I was really pumped about that.

00:57:08.940 And then the second thing in the dream, I started praying the blood of Jesus over me and the people

00:57:14.900 that I had come with. Um, and it felt like almost this, not a hostage situation, but like it was late.

00:57:22.040 We were supposed to be winding down for bed. And all of a sudden, now the next thing was we got to get

00:57:25.880 the hell out of here. And so I'm like, I, you know, some dreams are just dreams, right? You just,

00:57:30.380 sometimes you just have dreams about silly stuff. Uh, and maybe this thing was on my mind,

00:57:35.040 but I'm kind of going back and forth between that. Like, is there a benefit to me going out to

00:57:42.020 moon Lake and having some potential experience there? Everybody knows about the hitchhiker effect

00:57:48.140 or anything. And I'm no stranger to, um, odd occurrences and entities and things like that.

00:57:53.780 Uh, but I don't know. I mean, what would, at this point, given where you are in your career,

00:58:00.100 I mean, you're making documentaries about these things. Is this something that you would move

00:58:04.820 towards? I'm sure you guys get a lot of offers. I'm sure Tony gets a lot of offers to come out

00:58:09.160 and see this bizarre location. Doesn't seem like he's, he's shying away from it. Um, I don't know.

00:58:16.240 Do you guys weigh that, uh, anymore, or is this just, we are in alignment with the Holy spirit and

00:58:24.540 therefore we can go and do these things? That's a great question because so the, this past one,

00:58:33.180 the one I was just talking about, if the way the, it was pitched to me to go out there,

00:58:39.420 first of all, it was not supposed to go out there. Um, and then they ended up needing me and then,

00:58:46.680 um, and also Aaron, you guys know, Aaron, um, my business partner. Uh, he also went and this is

00:58:55.360 not his realm. Like he he's, he's an interesting cat. You guys should talk to him. He's a Russian 0.90

00:59:00.340 Orthodox, um, very unique person. And he was like, this is not my world. He was like, I like working 1.00

00:59:07.160 on these projects, but he's not into the woo and stuff. He's just, he's a very cool guy. And when

00:59:13.200 I told him what the pitch to the pitch was, we're going to go to a place and confront a demon. And I

00:59:20.440 was like, no, thanks. Not interested. Um, uh, not interested. Um, and I toiled with it for weeks. Um,

00:59:34.600 because originally when I was supposed to go, we were going to go a month earlier. And so I had

00:59:40.600 one week to think about it and I had already agreed to do it, but I was really struggling

00:59:46.460 with it. Then it got moved back a month and I started to think, Oh, maybe I won't have to go

00:59:49.960 after all. And that would be awesome. Um, even though it's one of those things where it's like,

00:59:54.680 if you excise the demon part, I'm in, I'm a hundred percent in, I'm in on campaign. I'm

01:00:02.180 in on hanging out with my friends. I'm in with making a film. I'm all a hundred percent in

01:00:06.340 footage, right? Yeah. Telling a story. Yeah. Yeah. It's all fun stuff. And then it was like,

01:00:10.360 yeah, we're going to go specifically do this. I was like to cast out the demon, not

01:00:15.340 confront, I will say. Confront it. Yes. Confront it. All right. Yes. Um,

01:00:23.400 because I can't get it. I mean, so it's just in its house and you're going to go confront it.

01:00:27.020 Seems kind of like a douchebag move. It's, it's not a house. Oh, all right. Um,

01:00:35.580 write that down, write that down. It's not a house. Um, but yeah, you'll once, once,

01:00:41.040 I don't know if Tony's put it out there, if I get the okay to put it out there, I'll put it out there.

01:00:44.400 But, um, but you'll hear it from him obviously. Um, but it, it, it is, and this thing covers a lot

01:00:53.240 like this next film, like I haven't even started it editing wise yet, but it covered, we cover a lot

01:00:57.200 of ground. Um, we, we saw like the, the guy who owns the place that we were at has a lot of evidence.

01:01:05.500 Let's just say that a lot. Um, like, I think we looked at 1200 photographs, 1200 photographs of,

01:01:13.940 of, of, of orbs or of, of what are we talking about here? Not orbs and nobody's, these have

01:01:21.800 not been made public. I do not believe. So, um, stuff you won't, you'll like, really? Like

01:01:28.920 there's a lot of like, really, really? Cause like we filmed an entire like interview with

01:01:34.040 him and he had a screen or showing them and we were like, this is too much.

01:01:38.720 This is too much. Without giving away too much. Do we have any sort of, um, uh, bipedal,

01:01:45.760 anything that looks like a, a figure that people would be familiar with at the very least,

01:01:50.700 you know? Okay. All right. Yes. Um, yeah, yeah. There's some weird stuff. Um, how about

01:01:58.200 a name? Of what? I can't say the name of the thing. Cause that'll give the, no of the entity.

01:02:04.140 Yeah. Yeah. I can't give the name. Oh, the names of the place. That's interesting that

01:02:08.760 yes. The name, the, the location is the name of the, the, it's going to be the name of the

01:02:14.420 documentary and it's going to be, it's all right. You're giving away too much. I don't

01:02:18.040 want to get you fired. Yeah. No, um, Vaporeon. Sorry. I saw it coming. Don't read the chat.

01:02:25.200 These people are terrible, right? Some of them are hilarious, man. Um, but, uh, no, it's,

01:02:31.260 it's, yeah, I, I, there's a lot of these places that I definitely want to go to. There's a lot

01:02:37.480 of them I don't. Um, but, uh, it's funny you say, like, when you said, like, how do you feel

01:02:43.440 about this? Even for this, the, uh, I'm going to tell you about a dream, but while I worked

01:02:53.100 for Tim, while I worked for Tim, I lived with Aaron, actually like, uh, and, uh, another

01:03:01.960 coworker, we had like a townhouse and we lived on an air force training ground. And so twice,

01:03:13.280 two times, two times I saw the black triangle. Um, one time I was driving and I was at the

01:03:21.700 Jefferson County fairgrounds in West Virginia. And, um, and it's a long stretch of middle

01:03:29.000 of nowhere. Right. And then in my rear view mirror was three white lights. And I just pulled

01:03:35.100 over to the side of the road. And when I went to look, it went around to the front of my car.

01:03:42.320 It went, Hmm. And I had already seen it once, but I didn't realize that it was it. I thought

01:03:48.300 it was a, um, a power line with a light with lights on it. Yeah. And it was just sitting

01:03:55.340 there because that's how high it was. It wasn't that high. It was really low. And then what

01:04:00.900 I saw it in my mirror, I thought it was a C 17 because that's what the training facility

01:04:05.800 is for is they fly C 17s. And those things are really big. They're, they're transport

01:04:10.300 planes. Right. And, uh, well, I guess every plane is a transport plane, but they're like

01:04:14.900 large equipment, transport planes. Um, like they carry planes inside of them. Yeah. And,

01:04:20.000 um, and they, they, they take off like literally a football field away from my apartment. So

01:04:27.740 when they take off, it like rattles the whole, you know, house. And so when they're close,

01:04:34.480 you know, they're close, you're, they're not sneaking up on you. Like a C 17 can't sneak 1.00

01:04:38.560 up on you. This thing was dead, silent, dead silent. Um, and it moved, it was probably 40

01:04:46.780 feet above the ground and it just moved from one side of my car to the other. I immediately

01:04:50.620 called Tony and I immediately called Shane. Like, I was like, guys it's here. And I, and

01:04:56.900 like, I've never thought that those were alien. I've never thought the black triangles are

01:04:59.980 alien. I've always thought that they were like clandestine military. Yes. Um, and

01:05:07.780 that just given my location, that's what I thought. But after this, after seeing the black 1.00

01:05:15.380 triangle, the two times, and it was in really close proximity. One was in like February and

01:05:19.260 the next one was in like April. I started having really bad night terrors and I've never had

01:05:25.940 those before in my life. I've never had sleep paralysis. I've never had anything like that.

01:05:29.400 Um, and, uh, after seeing this thing. Yes. And so the one, the, the ones that I remember,

01:05:37.000 and it was not like, you know, once a month, it was like every night I was having a night

01:05:43.040 terror and it was in my room. And the two that I always had, one was, I was always being

01:05:50.980 wrapped up by a snake. Huh? Like I was being coiled, like, uh, constricted by a snake and

01:05:58.300 that I would wake up with no breath. And I like, I attributed that to you. Cause I have

01:06:01.880 sleep apnea, like pretty bad. I got CPAP machine, all of that. And, uh, I attributed to me not

01:06:09.040 being able to breathe and it's constricting me. And so I was like, uh, that's a weird way

01:06:12.640 to manifest that. Then it evolved into the snake would have me and then I would, it would disappear

01:06:18.600 and I would look out my window. So I had like my bed and my window is right to the like foot,

01:06:24.580 the right side foot of my bed. And I would look out there and there'd be three grays in the window 1.00

01:06:28.940 looking at me. And every time they would start to put their hand through the glass, like it wasn't

01:06:35.620 there. And I would wake up screaming the Lord's name, like every time. And I would actually say,

01:06:42.780 cause I lived with my fiance at the time and she would, you know, eat it like, cause I would sleep 0.72

01:06:49.300 during the day sometimes. And she would run down the stairs and be like, well, you were screaming

01:06:54.720 the name of Jesus. I'm like, interesting. And she was like, so I thought I'd come check on you.

01:06:58.900 And, uh, even at night she would like wake me up from screaming that and be like, it's okay.

01:07:06.600 It's okay. And I would scream snake. I would scream that. Um, and then one time I did have a dream

01:07:14.160 that I was inter in brain, like mind speak with a Sasquatch and really, yeah. And is this around

01:07:22.860 the same timeframe? Yeah. All this happened in the same exact timeframe, like within one month. Um,

01:07:30.080 like every night for a month. Yeah. And then we moved. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no,

01:07:35.000 no, no. I don't know. What are you talking to the Sasquatch about? I don't remember. I don't

01:07:40.100 remember that. She, but she said I was in my, this is the funny part. Cause to her, this is funny to

01:07:44.340 be, it's terrifying is that she said, I woke her up going, Ooh, I was like, that's, that's weird.

01:07:53.000 That's weird. I was whooping in my sleep. Yeah. And, um, and like jibber-jabbing like

01:08:01.100 you're all fucked up, Wesley. 0.99

01:08:06.480 But like, I don't like until like later, you know, like I was like, this is just really 1.00

01:08:13.660 weird dreams I'm having. Um, and then I, but when I left that, that house and we moved

01:08:19.820 to a completely different area, it all stopped. When Tim moved his compound or something, you

01:08:27.640 moved as well. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Huh. So the, it started off when you saw this, uh, triangular

01:08:36.200 aircraft. Like you, you, you would say it's a one person aircraft that kind of floated

01:08:40.880 by you. Uh, it was the size of a bus, like, like three buses in a triangle.

01:08:46.760 Did this strike you as like military craft or something outside of it? Okay. So yeah.

01:08:51.320 Yeah. And I lived a hundred yards from the military aircraft training facility. Like I,

01:08:56.240 like they had a breakfast cafe there that I went and ate at the weekends. You could watch

01:09:00.100 the planes. A common, um, right. Black triangle military craft. I forget what it is, but it's

01:09:07.780 now been revealed. Yeah. The TR3B. Um, uh, well there's the B2 spirit. Um, and then there's 1.00

01:09:15.540 something else. Uh, the B2 spirit has sort of a jagged back end to it. Um, but there's 1.00

01:09:21.780 another one. I forget what it is. Black TR3B, right? Oh yeah. TR3A black Manta. I'm sure TR3B 0.99

01:09:28.320 is, is a very similar version. Um, do you remember? So this is what made it stand out

01:09:33.500 to me when I saw it and why I contacted Tony. This is a banger shirt. Caution UAP pilot in

01:09:39.720 training. I got another question before you go on though. Where do you put this? Um, where

01:09:46.520 do you put that kind of phenomenon? Because now you're pretty sure it's coming from a military

01:09:50.300 base, which is human, but you're having supernatural experiences because of it. You think it's the

01:09:56.160 technology that I don't know? I don't know. Like, I don't know what to attribute it to,

01:10:01.480 but the irony of it that it was there is so, um, you, you top, you've been to the castle,

01:10:09.500 the old one, the first one. Yeah. The castle, the house, the mansion. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So did,

01:10:15.620 do you remember, did you come in on a really long bridge? There's a really long bridge that leads

01:10:23.300 to it. So like, um, and that bridge is where, I don't know if you remember, there's an episode

01:10:32.260 of the confessionals where a guy called in to say him and his dad saw the triangle on a bridge

01:10:38.360 in a certain location. His name, I'm not going to say his name because people will go find the

01:10:43.120 episode and you'll say where it is. And I go, but that's the same location.

01:10:47.420 Ooh. Do you remember? I didn't realize that. We were talking to Nathaniel Gillis and, and he

01:10:53.620 is, he describes it as the phenomenon, right? Um, and that the phenomenon takes all these different,

01:10:59.360 uh, uh, sort of visages. And, um, so there's clearly a shape-shifting aspect. We talked to

01:11:06.820 Jules of the Grey Pilled podcast and, and we, we talked quite a bit about tulpas or thought forms,

01:11:12.380 which in some ways are kind of sounds reductive in the, it reduces the experience to something

01:11:18.980 that's generated by your own mind. I don't think that's the case at all. In fact, it sounds much

01:11:23.520 more like the more that you can focus on a thing, the more you can flesh that idea out,

01:11:30.360 the more that you can then create a sort of dummy for these things to inhabit, which might explain sort

01:11:36.060 of like the Slenderman phenomenon, right? Where it enters, um, internet lore in a big way,

01:11:41.520 creepy pastas. It becomes so popularized that all of the focus on it gives a temporary vessel,

01:11:49.580 let's say for something to manifest in. Um, I'm wondering if we have, and this is totally

01:11:56.560 schizo speculation, integrated our technology so intimately with the supernatural realm,

01:12:03.520 because it seems that a lot of our technology is, is inspired, you know, by supernatural entities,

01:12:10.100 you know, the muses and things like that. But, uh, the example I like to give is, uh, Carlos Santana

01:12:16.360 channeling Metatron, which he gives up that juice in a, in a time magazine interview, I believe.

01:12:22.100 So, so we have a long history of people channeling entities to create things, whether it's art or even

01:12:29.160 technology or, or, or things of that nature. So what if the, the integration between certain levels of

01:12:36.020 military technology and the supernatural realm have, has become so seamless that focusing on

01:12:43.060 that technology and thinking about it is looking into the phenomenon and the phenomenon then begins

01:12:49.600 to look back at you because a lot of that, like staring into the abyss until the abyss stares back

01:12:53.380 at you. It is hyper fixation on the supernatural commonly can lead to the supernatural manifesting

01:13:02.500 in some way, shape or form poltergeist activity, you name it, sleep paralysis, yada, yada, yada.

01:13:07.460 Um, and it almost doesn't seem to make sense because what you're looking at is interpreted as a nuts and

01:13:12.660 bolts aircraft. But what if the way that that nuts and bolts aircraft came to be in this physical realm

01:13:18.260 was first by some sort of supernatural influence and that the, there's not really a separation there

01:13:24.920 between what you saw. And I'm sure after you saw that, that was something that, you know,

01:13:30.020 you were pretty enamored by for, for quite some time. Right. Um, so now you're focusing on

01:13:37.060 the phenomenon as, as Nathaniel Gillis would put it. And the, by the way, what's that?

01:13:43.300 I took a video as well. I can send you. Oh, please. Um, it's far away, but if once I realized

01:13:50.340 what it was, got it, I'll send you that. But I agree with you. I believe that there's, yeah,

01:13:54.500 like if you're back engineering spiritual technology, it's going to have spiritual implications.

01:13:57.940 Right, right, right, right. So I think that that's probably what's happening there. Um,

01:14:03.460 and that's why the same thing happens where you, you know, you have this a-holes, uh, CE5 app and

01:14:09.140 everybody's calling in, you know, these orbs or these, these craft into, and then what do they get

01:14:13.780 after that? They get all kinds of, uh, poltergeist activity in their homes and this overlap between

01:14:19.220 what was just UAPs. And now we've got a segment in the Meadow project just for what you're saying.

01:14:24.820 Interesting, interesting, interesting. Uh, so, so what do you make of that? Do you think that there's,

01:14:29.460 there's any validity to that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I, and like, I don't

01:14:36.420 part, I know I agree with you because I don't think on, I try not to think on those dreams

01:14:43.220 anymore. Um, instinctually. Yes. Cause when I, cause I, I was at the time, like I was thinking

01:14:50.820 a lot about that. I was thinking a lot about what I saw. I was thinking a lot about what it

01:14:54.580 meant. I was thinking a lot about what the dreams made me feel. And it felt like they kept getting

01:14:58.020 worse and worse and worse. Um, and we had, so like, what I can say is when, when we moved,

01:15:10.180 the dreams stopped, but waking things started happening there. Um, and that's when I kind of

01:15:20.580 took a step back and, um, was like, I'm going to stop giving energy to this because I think that

01:15:26.900 whatever is making this happen to us, um, is because of something I'm doing.

01:15:36.020 Um, that's interesting. And so we had, um, and like Tony, Tony, Tony and Shane,

01:15:44.900 if you guys talk to them, we'll verify this. Like we had talked to them a lot about like,

01:15:49.860 what do we, what do we do? Um, uh, and there were, there was strange stuff that like,

01:15:56.340 I was not having the dreams anymore, but where there were strange things happening in our house.

01:15:59.460 And then suddenly they all stopped and it never happened again. And I don't know exactly what

01:16:04.020 changed, but I felt like I stopped giving my attention to things that I thought would do that.

01:16:12.900 So I think you're, it's a, and that's kind of the observation we make in this film, which, uh,

01:16:19.540 to bring it back is like, these things are trying to establish a conversation. And if you take part

01:16:25.700 in the conversation, it's going to go places. So one of these, uh, one of these images that's

01:16:31.620 flashing over my shoulder, it's called, uh, top lops is dog, man. And, uh, it's a joke that we say,

01:16:38.020 uh, where I go and I put my birds away at night and it's a pretty far walk to, um, their,

01:16:44.180 their, their coop back there. And when it's dark, I turn around and I walk back and I have this

01:16:51.140 feeling on my neck that is like, something is there, but I never look, I don't stop.

01:16:58.980 I don't turn around. I don't run. I walk back, I shoulders back and I walk back normally.

01:17:05.060 And, uh, the idea is top lops is dog, man. It does not exist. If you do not, uh, lay eyes upon it.

01:17:11.780 If I don't turn around and feed that thing, whatever that is. Superposition.

01:17:15.780 Yes, exactly. He exists. Uh, but then he doesn't exist. He's always in a state of, uh,

01:17:20.660 standing and I know exactly where he is. He's on the fence. This motherfucker's on the fence,

01:17:25.540 right behind, uh, going into the wild area. And he's like, you know, eight feet tall. And he's just 1.00

01:17:32.100 and he's waiting. Cause if I turn around, he's like, I will disembowel you. But I never turn around

01:17:36.100 cause I was like, there's no reason you don't exist. It's sort of like, it's sort of like a mobster

01:17:40.260 where if you don't see the crime, they don't have to kill you. When I was younger, I used to

01:17:46.740 have this, my, one of my best friends was like, why do you think of Bigfoot like this? And I was

01:17:51.220 like, well, we were sitting on a, on a corner one day and we were, it was nighttime and we're

01:17:56.260 talking about Bigfoot. We were real little, like maybe 10 or 11. And I said, um, yeah, imagine Bigfoot,

01:18:03.380 like look all the way down the street under the street lamp and imagine seeing the silhouette

01:18:08.100 of a thing that is, you know, 10 feet tall, bright red eyes. And it's, you know, breathing heavy and

01:18:13.300 all that. And, um, and he's like, why do you, why would you ever think of Bigfoot like that?

01:18:18.740 And I was like, why wouldn't it? It's, it's a bipedal, you know, at the, at the least an animal,

01:18:25.060 a bipedal animal that's, that's 10 feet tall. And I said, imagine it, you know,

01:18:29.620 letting out this blood curdling scream or whatever. And, um, I just never was able to

01:18:34.020 get behind the idea of Bigfoot as, as being like, uh, anything other than absolutely terrifying.

01:18:41.460 I mean, I'd been around, you ever go to the zoo and be around a bison. Have you ever been around

01:18:47.620 a bison? It's like a breathing car. It's kind of horrifying when you're next to it because it's

01:18:52.900 like something about it's, it's life. It's breathing just resonates to your core. Yeah.

01:18:58.660 Yeah. A horse will do the same thing. If you're, you're like, what the shit is this? So

01:19:02.100 you've been a cow. Yeah. You're like, I don't like that. You're that much bigger than it's really, 0.94

01:19:08.100 really, really, uh, terrifying. So, uh, all right. There's a lot of places that I want to go with this

01:19:14.020 conversation, but we have to get to what in the hell, because earlier you alluded to a raven

01:19:19.060 mocker or a crow mocker, um, and how that applies to this entire situation. Know that that's where I want to

01:19:26.420 go next west. Yeah. I can't not ask you given the nature of the conversation focus begets a two-way

01:19:34.820 sort of focus. Um, what are you doing? Well, also one more, one more thing. What, as you said,

01:19:42.420 in your waking life, things start to happen. I like, I got to know what things, what is the waking

01:19:48.420 thing? So what are the teams? So we moved into this house, um, in like outside Harper's Ferry.

01:19:55.060 And, uh, it was my fiance, uh, former fiance and I, and we, um, started like the first night we were

01:20:02.580 there. Um, we started having weird things happen. And like, at first we were like, this place is old

01:20:12.180 and like falling apart. Right. We were like, we were like trying to figure out like, is there

01:20:19.940 something? And like, are there raccoons in, in the crawl space? Are there raccoons in the,

01:20:25.620 not attic, but it's like where the, in the, in the roof, you know? And we started doing Bible study.

01:20:33.780 And, uh, so we were sitting in the living room and the, the, how the house was set up was sort of

01:20:41.940 like the living room was one side of the house. And then there were two bedrooms on the other side

01:20:45.700 of the house split down the middle. Right. And we're in the living room and the door was open to our

01:20:51.780 bedroom. And my dog, Charlie was in there laying in the bed, just being a dog. And we were reading,

01:20:59.540 um, Genesis. We were starting with Genesis. And at one point I paused and asked her a question.

01:21:08.820 I was like, what do you think about this passage? And, uh, we both heard my voice come out of the

01:21:16.340 bedroom. Oh, damn it, dude. Is that upset my dog? Well, that's the thing is we both heard it. We 0.99

01:21:24.180 looked at each other and no, I mean, it upset the dog that you have with you right now. I can hear

01:21:27.860 you started whining as soon as you said that. Yeah. Um, yeah, he's in a crate. So he might have

01:21:33.540 to come out for a minute and sit on my lap if that's okay. Um, whatever you, whatever you gotta

01:21:37.140 do, man. Um, but, but yeah, we, so we went in there and Charlie, my older dog was sitting there

01:21:44.340 looking up at the bed and we were like, all right, looking up at the bed or looking up at the ceiling

01:21:50.820 at the bed. Like, as if we say, I have no idea. I have no idea. It was, it was like,

01:21:56.420 it was talking to her. Right. It was like, I was talking to her. It was like, I was saying like,

01:21:59.780 do you want to go out? I'm going to grab him one second. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

01:22:03.140 You know why that's, uh, when I was living in, uh, this other house, um, we moved to when I was like

01:22:10.500 15 years old and I had an American bulldog, which is like big bulldog with abs and such. And, um,

01:22:20.020 he, one night I was just mentioning my dog. This is Heiser. Hey, Michael. That's right. I saw the

01:22:27.700 picture. Um, you let her in, you let the fat cow cat keep screaming to come in. Um, so, so, uh, he's, 0.62

01:22:38.580 my dog is, is sat in the, um, in the hallway outside of my room and he just keeps like staring

01:22:47.140 at the, the, the drop down for the ladder that leads up into the attic and he'll sit there and

01:22:52.260 he'll stare at it. And then all of a sudden he'll get up and his hackles will raise and he'll start

01:22:56.900 like growling and barking at it. And then he'll sit down and get real docile again. And then he would

01:23:01.540 just do that rinse and repeat. And I'm laying on my bed and I'm aware that this is happening and it's

01:23:06.980 upsetting me. And above my bed, directly above my face is a vent to my attic. And I'm just staring

01:23:12.260 at that thing, wondering like what in the hell. And in that house, after I moved out, my, my mother

01:23:16.340 would tell me that, um, she would hear the feet of like something tiny, but bipedal running through,

01:23:23.540 it sounded like a lot of them running through the house, jiggling door handles, opening doors.

01:23:27.700 Uh, one case in particular, um, my mother is in the room and my, my stepdad is in the bathroom.

01:23:34.900 He's brushing his teeth and they hear pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And then something jiggles

01:23:39.780 the handle and opens the door. And the response that they had was it's like, like there was an

01:23:46.260 intruder. So my mom's shot up in the bed and looked over to the door. And my stepdad came running out 0.98

01:23:52.500 with toothpaste on his mouth. And, and they're both looking like for an intruder because it wasn't a,

01:23:58.260 did you hear that moment? It was a, somebody's in the house and they just opened the door moment.

01:24:02.340 And, uh, the dogs by this time, the, the, uh, American bulldog had passed. So there's just,

01:24:08.020 she has Frenchies, French bulldogs. And, um, and they're all stood up on the bed too,

01:24:12.100 you know, in this mode where they're getting ready to bark and they're growling at whatever,

01:24:16.500 just open this door and there's nothing there. And I always felt really unsettled in that house.

01:24:21.140 We had a, an Elmo, a tickle me Elmo in that house that my mom was, she would get. 1.00

01:24:27.060 Huge mistake, huge mistake. So she would get the dogs, all kinds of like stupid 1.00

01:24:32.260 toys that, you know, and tickle me Elmo. By the time we had gotten ready to, to trash him, 0.99

01:24:38.980 he had the, the, you know, the fur ripped off his face. So it's just tickle me Elmo's,

01:24:43.140 uh, animatronic skeleton is exposed. And, and, uh, and for whatever reason, no matter what you did,

01:24:49.380 if you took the batteries out of him, uh, I threw him down the stairs into the basement.

01:24:53.460 I took the batteries out. Cause I'm trying to watch a movie and he, and he's,

01:24:56.820 his voice is all distorted cause the dog screwed him up and he's going, Oh, that tickles. And he

01:25:02.900 just, but the batteries aren't even in them. And until the point where we had in the backyard.

01:25:10.180 Um, so weird house, weird house, but yet animals have a way of, of, of knowing, uh,

01:25:15.780 and it sounds like you're, you had a little doppelganger, uh, situation going on there,

01:25:20.580 Wes.

01:25:22.260 It was strange. Uh, and, and there were a couple of like other things that happened

01:25:26.260 and then it just started to peter off. Um, and yeah, and then I, I guess I took my attention

01:25:34.740 off of it and it just stopped happening. It just, I don't know. I mean, there was a lot

01:25:40.340 more scripture reading now, so maybe that had something to do with it, but, um, but yeah,

01:25:46.340 no, I don't know. I don't know. Um, I don't know what to make of that because I agree. Like,

01:25:52.340 it's hard to like, think of it in a, like, and explain it. Cause it, these things happen to you

01:25:57.460 while your life's happening, right? Like they happen and, and you're, you come home from work

01:26:03.460 and it's like, oh, this, I hear me in there, you know, like, and what do you do with that? And

01:26:10.180 like, I, I haven't really reflected on it for that reason. You know, like I've talked about it a couple

01:26:14.260 of times. I talked about it on, on inverted world when I was on there. Uh, and, um, uh, back like

01:26:21.700 last year. And I don't know, maybe go find that if you're watching this and want to know more,

01:26:27.700 because I was a lot closer to it at the time. It was like happening concurrently when I was on there.

01:26:32.580 Um, but yeah, I just stopped paying attention to it. And I, I, like I said, I don't have a history

01:26:38.820 of these things happening. I don't have a, uh, like ghost story for every year of my life or anything,

01:26:44.740 but it's weird times in my life where this stuff that I can't explain seems to happen. Like I alluded

01:26:52.900 to earlier, like something happened last week when I was working on the film and like, I put out a work

01:26:59.220 cut of it and just minutes were missing from it. I was like, that's weird. That doesn't make sense.

01:27:05.620 And then I started thinking about it. I was like, okay, that same night was, uh, a night that I did

01:27:12.260 have the dogs staring at the ceiling, like you were saying. And they, but they like looked in both in

01:27:17.060 tandem with, ah, that's not good. Well, I mean, at the very least you got raccoons dog.

01:27:22.740 Well, well maybe, but not possible where that happened. And then later the same night I was

01:27:30.020 sitting, it's okay, buddy. Sorry. Um, I was sitting here and right in right here, right here,

01:27:38.340 I had a grocery bag that had some just odds and ends in it. And it was sitting and like,

01:27:45.380 have you ever put a bowl inside of a paper bag? And it goes like that, you know, like you're going to go

01:27:51.060 to a cookout or something and you put like your pitch in inside the paper bag and it you're like,

01:27:56.340 Nope, this doesn't fit in this bag. Yeah. Well, I'm sitting there and this had like,

01:28:01.620 it didn't have a bowl in it. It didn't have, it had like some papers in it, like a couple of papers.

01:28:06.260 I had taken most everything out. So I had like, there was a receipt in the bottom and there was

01:28:09.460 like a letter that was unfolded in there, some stuff I was going to throw out. Right. And it's sitting

01:28:14.500 there mostly empty and out of my peripheral, I'm sitting in my chair over there. The thing goes,

01:28:19.540 whoop and spreads open like that. And Heiser sitting on the bed and he looks at it and perks

01:28:27.380 up. And I just out of the corner of my eye, look at it and I didn't want to turn my head,

01:28:32.180 but I looked out. And as soon as I looked at it, it held for like a second and a half and then went.

01:28:38.660 That's strange. And I was like, that's weird. And then it was later that night that my,

01:28:45.140 something happened to my unit, my, my computer, like the editing bay. I was like, this doesn't

01:28:49.700 make sense. Like what happened in the film isn't possible, isn't possible. So it was moments of the

01:28:56.580 film were missing that I couldn't have. I couldn't have gotten rid of them. Cause I'm sure you guys are

01:29:04.500 familiar with premiere. Like when you lock and nest a section and you have the nests within another

01:29:11.940 sequence, you cannot edit them without opening and unlocking that sequence. But it was just

01:29:17.380 moments of those sequences were just gone. I had to re-edit them and add them back in.

01:29:21.940 Interesting. Anything significant in those sequences?

01:29:24.740 Kind of. Not, not, not, not, not what you would think. But they were, they were key moments,

01:29:38.180 but they weren't like evidence or something like that. They were just key moments of the narrative.

01:29:44.340 And they were parts that were laborious. So there were, there were parts that had lots of effect work

01:29:51.620 because we have a lot of visual effects in this and those moments were like chopped down.

01:29:57.220 What's interesting about that is, is it doesn't have to be like a key moment, um, in the sense of

01:30:02.660 like some big reveal that might, you know, gain you insight. A lot of, I mean, you, you only need to

01:30:09.300 look at like the Skinwalker Ranch story and whatever poltergeist activity that they were experiencing

01:30:15.300 there. And poltergeist activity is, is kind of like a general term just for, you know, uh, uh,

01:30:21.060 seemingly mysterious events happening that are unexplainable.

01:30:26.420 They were having just inconveniences take place. Like some of their equipment

01:30:31.780 ended up in a tree.

01:30:33.860 Yeah. Like, and it was like for it to get all the way up in the tree. And it's like,

01:30:38.100 it didn't even make any sense. Oftentimes people refer to these things as like trickster spirits and

01:30:43.300 shit like that. And people who are much more like new age woo woo or into like DMT. 0.93

01:30:47.860 We'll talk about like the, the, the elves, the machine elves and how they have like this

01:30:52.420 gesture nature. There does seem to be, honestly, I was actually, somebody said something and I was

01:30:59.140 like, Oh my God, I can't ignore that. Which is like, I am a bit of a troll on, uh, on Twitter.

01:31:06.660 And, but even that word, like the spirit of what you're doing, uh, like trolling,

01:31:13.300 right? What one Norwegian belief system calls a troll is through another lens, um, some sort

01:31:21.380 of a demonic spirit. And I'm like an elemental. Yeah. Damn it, dude. Yeah. I don't like that.

01:31:27.780 Um, yeah. Or trickster or any of those, it's all joker, all that like, but at the same time,

01:31:34.420 like, I feel like being afraid of those terms gives them power to, you know, like,

01:31:39.300 it's not that I'm afraid of it, but I'm like, Oh, that's interesting because I'm even,

01:31:43.940 I'll even call myself a troll. And it's like, when you're doing that, what are you, what are you

01:31:47.940 actually saying? So, um, that sort of inexplainable inconvenience is, is something that is, uh,

01:31:58.020 par for the course that's, that's on brand. You see it in a lot of things, especially like

01:32:02.100 the poltergeist activity, like, you know, the poltergeist activity, for example, what,

01:32:06.980 what evil is it that opens up your drawers and cabinets? Is it like this big, you know,

01:32:15.620 has it stood in the way? Is it, is it, it'll leave you sitting there scratching your head as

01:32:19.620 to the mystery of it all. Why is this happened? Why go out of your way to open up all my cabinets?

01:32:25.540 All you've done here is, is confuse me and made, you know, inconvenience my life slightly,

01:32:31.140 not something that can't be overcome, but it feels like what you experienced was the digital

01:32:35.540 version of opening up all your cabinets. Yeah. Which is funny because like the idea is like,

01:32:41.380 they're opening the doors in your house to confuse you. So they open the doors

01:32:45.380 in your soul. Like, right. Put you at a state of like, or are they just like,

01:32:50.180 this is gonna, again, this is really good. Well, I want you to be unsettled because an

01:32:54.180 unsettled person is an open vessel. Like, uh, and, and you know, like they want to make you

01:33:01.540 question yourself. They want to make you not sure they want to make you, um, um, you know,

01:33:07.940 you weaken, uh, the prey before you take it down. Um,

01:33:13.780 it's something that I have to think about and I know we're not going to get any answers here, but it,

01:33:18.260 but you know, just on this topic of like looking into things and, and what does it mean that it

01:33:26.020 starts to look back and interact back? Is this your cue to stop or, you know, if you look at the ripple

01:33:34.020 effect of looking into these things, for example, how many people do these documentaries reach?

01:33:40.020 How many people do these episodes reach? And how many people does, does that then turn over

01:33:46.660 to, to Christ? Because that's what we do constantly is we'll go look at this really strange thing.

01:33:51.700 Here's our take on it. And here's ultimately what's important is developing a relationship with God and,

01:33:58.500 you know, repenting and, and, and, you know, Jesus Christ is the way, the narrow path. And so

01:34:06.580 are you meant to, and this is just me musing, but it's like, are you meant to, to stop looking at

01:34:11.860 these things? Uh, are you, and I'm not saying look into them to the point where now you're some sort of

01:34:17.140 like numerologist or some crap and you're applying this in your everyday life, trying to rig the system

01:34:22.100 and, you know, bend it to your will. That's clearly not what I'm saying, but it's like

01:34:26.100 you look into the phenomenon as, uh, Nathaniel Gillis puts it. And then, and the phenomenon

01:34:33.300 looks back, takes a form of whatever Tulpa or something like that. Um, it has its old tricks.

01:34:39.380 It has some, some tricks that are adapted to you. And is that what it wants is for you to stop looking

01:34:47.060 at it? Yeah. The, the idea of fear, not right. We talk about that a lot, but then when I see what

01:34:53.860 Merkel does with these documentaries, I instantly think not me, not going to do that. Cause it's not

01:35:01.860 going to catch me in the woods. It just feels like, like at what, at what point is a provocation

01:35:07.300 and at what point is faith, you know what I'm saying? And then also, but if you're called to do

01:35:13.060 it and it's been loud and clear in your head to do this thing, then I understand that, which is

01:35:18.420 something that like, you know, me and David were talking about a couple of weeks ago. It's like,

01:35:22.100 all right, are you called, are you called to do this? Because it seems like a, a dangerous thing.

01:35:27.060 If, uh, my assumptions are correct about some of the consequences that I've received for even being

01:35:33.780 next to this person, should we, you know what I mean? Yeah. Should you then go and tempt this?

01:35:38.820 These are questions that, that I can't answer. I don't think, I don't think anyone could really

01:35:42.740 answer. It's a personal thing. Um, I know that's what it gets though. I know that's,

01:35:48.260 you want to talk about the fruit that a thing bears when the phenomenon starts looking back at you.

01:35:53.540 I know, generally speaking, you know, most people go, I got, I just want to like, uh, like, you know,

01:36:00.420 when I had my whole experience and I didn't tell my wife and I, because I didn't want to talk about it

01:36:07.140 because I didn't think that I distinctly felt like talking about it and engaging in anything

01:36:14.420 surrounding it was going to make it worse, right? Similar to the instinct that you had, Wes, I felt

01:36:21.620 just instinctively the same way. And is that instinct or does this thing want you to feel that

01:36:27.060 way where it wants to scare you out of, and then yeah, to top's point, right? Fear not the,

01:36:33.460 the Bible tells you constantly to not fear, to not give into fear, to not be afraid.

01:36:38.660 So something happens to you. And the more you think about it, the worse the phenomenon gets

01:36:43.860 until you start to draw the correlation where you're like, not going to look into that anymore.

01:36:47.060 Not going to think about that. Not going to talk about it, which I can certainly understand.

01:36:51.060 Cause I did not want to talk about it with my wife or any, anybody for that matter. Um,

01:36:56.180 and is that what it wanted? I don't know. I mean,

01:36:58.260 what's, it's interesting because the question you're asking is the same question that's asked

01:37:03.540 about the political stuff and the, the, or the, the deep state stuff. Like, and the answer is the

01:37:10.500 same. The answer, because when say like, what are we supposed to do about this stuff? What do we sit

01:37:14.580 like? These things are happening. What are we supposed to do? Are we not supposed to fight it?

01:37:17.940 Are we not? The answer is the same. You preach the name of Christ and you, you fight the things that

01:37:25.700 you can fight and you don't try to engage on a higher level than you're called to do.

01:37:30.100 And, and they, they are using the same tactics. Like the thing about the powers that be the deep

01:37:36.660 state, the, the cabal, whatever, they don't have the control. They pretend to have they, that real

01:37:44.180 alchemy going on is them convincing you that they do, that they are the power that Satan is sitting in a

01:37:49.780 throne somewhere being like, ha ha, everything's going according to plan. It's like,

01:37:53.780 like, motherfucker, your plan is meaningless in the, in the eyes of God. Like it's his plan. You 1.00

01:37:59.940 don't even realize that you're the one being played here. And with all of your like ancient

01:38:07.220 wisdom, you being the most wise of the, of the, you you're nothing, you're nothing. And don't be

01:38:14.540 afraid of it. Don't be afraid of it. That doesn't like not being afraid does not include not being

01:38:19.680 cautious. It doesn't mean don't be reckless. It just means don't be afraid. They are not in control.

01:38:26.000 And these things are not that, that attack, you are not in control of you. They're, they're affecting

01:38:31.200 you, but we already know the answer. We know who, where, where relief comes from. We know where help

01:38:38.960 comes from. We know where our strength comes from and it doesn't come from us. It's not anything we do.

01:38:45.680 It's reliance on something higher. And that's the same for both of these realms. And like,

01:38:51.280 I mean, honestly, like your show exists because they are connected. These worlds are connected.

01:38:57.200 The thing, the paranormal things that happen to people in their homes, those things are connected

01:39:01.520 to the, they're interacting with the CEOs and the corporate people and the politicians. It's the same

01:39:07.680 things, you know, like I, I don't think half of these things are who they claim to be. You know,

01:39:12.880 there are guys out there like discern, not discernment deliverance people that are like,

01:39:19.280 I spoke to this entity and it's like, I'm sure you did. It's any, you know,

01:39:26.160 Jack or Jill out there will be like, all right, I'm going to go pretend to be Osiris real quick.

01:39:34.800 That's the thing. I think doing this show, we've realized that they're never going to really tell

01:39:38.800 you their name. That's something extremely significant because if you know their name,

01:39:43.440 then you can control them. It's like a, I mean, that's solemn, a solemn monistic magic or something.

01:39:50.720 Yeah. There's power in the name and that's why there's power in the name, like in the name of

01:39:55.440 Jesus Christ. It's like, and like, obviously you guys have covered before that, like there's people

01:40:00.880 out there that have had these incidents and that hasn't worked for them. And I think there is some sort of

01:40:06.080 like alchemical reason of why a human being who's got a knife, who's going to stab you. And you're

01:40:11.120 like, please know in the name of Jesus, they're like, I'm going to cut you anyway. You know, like,

01:40:14.800 yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I think that, that works that, that trend, uh, the, by transitive

01:40:22.560 property applies to things that are viewing somebody. So if you're dealing with a person who is oppressed

01:40:26.880 or possessed and wants to do something to you, they're like, those rules don't apply right now.

01:40:32.000 Like those rules, I, I'm touching something physical, you know, uh, like you could be

01:40:37.360 playing a video game and like want to punch somebody and they're like, sorry, I've got

01:40:41.440 God mode on. Every time you punch me, it doesn't hurt me, but then you can get in your car, drive

01:40:44.800 to their house, open the door and punch them in the face. God didn't do anything for them. 0.99

01:40:49.920 So there's some sort of allowance. They're following some rule, um, that they could get around the,

01:40:56.400 that bypass, but they can't come into you. You know, if you're imbued, if you're an occupied,

01:41:01.920 vessel, they can't, two spirits aren't, those two opposing spirits can't exist inside you.

01:41:09.520 The same. Yeah. Yeah. Let me, uh, let me ask you this, Wes, we, we talked about it earlier on the,

01:41:15.040 on the top of the show and, uh, and you said that it was going to, uh, come up at some point,

01:41:20.800 uh, this idea of the crow mocker or the, the Raven mocker, uh, how, how does that apply to this story

01:41:27.120 of the meadow and what, what even is it? Uh, so I don't know a lot about it. I assume it's,

01:41:33.600 it's a, one of the many names of, you know, shapeshifters, uh, uh, brujas, things like that.

01:41:41.200 Um, I didn't personally research the crow mocker. I just know that Trey has, and he discusses it

01:41:46.960 briefly in the film. It's okay. Sorry. Um, but, uh, I, I don't want to get too deep into it because

01:41:55.680 of how the things unfold in the film and they're interesting. Um, and we do, do draw some

01:42:01.920 connections to things within the film that, um, I think he's got to go. Um, if you want to take a,

01:42:10.400 a quick break and, and you know, you can come back on camera if you want to let him outside.

01:42:14.720 Okay. That would be great. Go ahead. No problem. We'll keep it going. We'll wait for you to come

01:42:18.640 back. Um, I could actually read a little bit about this Raven mocker here. Uh, so we said before, 1.00

01:42:25.680 that it's a, it's a Cherokee spirit, it said to prey on the sick or dying to extend its own 1.00

01:42:31.040 lifespan at night. It is believed to fly through the air in fiery form. That sounds a lot like a,

01:42:36.560 kind of like a Phoenix, uh, outstretched arms, resembling wings and sparks trailing behind it.

01:42:43.280 That's pretty specific, fiery form with sparks trailing behind it and outstretched arms that are,

01:42:51.360 that resemble wings. I don't like to, to often say like spiritual things that ancients have seen

01:42:59.600 were just their, uh, inability to describe technology that was beyond their understanding.

01:43:06.080 That sounds a lot like that though. That does kind of sound a lot like that. That's fascinating.

01:43:10.160 So, so it, it flies through the air in a fiery form, leaving us a trail of sparks behind it.

01:43:15.680 It, the flight is accompanied by the sound of rushing wind and their cries resemble, uh,

01:43:24.480 described as resembling a Raven's dive call and they're considered an omen of death. So

01:43:31.440 there's an audible noise, right? There's, there's something like if you were a kid in Gaza,

01:43:36.720 that's how you describe it. Yeah, dude. Right. I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's,

01:43:40.400 it sounds a lot like that. It's fascinating. Um, Raven mockers are said to gather at the homes of

01:43:47.040 the dying, tormenting their victims by pressing on their chest to restrict breathing or throwing them

01:43:54.720 on the ground. So that sounds a lot like poltergeist activity, right? Getting tossed out of your bed or

01:44:00.640 pulled out of your bed. But then you also have that sleep paralysis aspect where there's something on your

01:44:05.120 chest restricting your breathing. After the victim dies, the Raven mocker is believed to remove 0.95

01:44:11.120 and consume the heart to absorb the victim's remaining lifespan. No marks are left on the body,

01:44:19.360 but the heart is said to be missing. That's fascinating. How would you determine that?

01:44:22.880 Um, sacred text, mysteries of the Cherokee. Uh, that's interesting. That's some of the, um,

01:44:32.960 the footnotes and then Cherokee myths and legends, 30 tales retold McFarland and company company.

01:44:38.800 Although feared for their power, other witches are said to avoid the Raven mocker. Medicine men 1.00

01:44:46.720 using special knowledge can detect and repel them from entering homes. Tradition holds that if

01:44:51.920 Raven mocker, if a Raven mocker is seen in its true form, it dies within seven days. Man,

01:44:57.760 that's awfully specific. Samara comes and gets it. I don't know what, what, I mean,

01:45:04.480 we were talking about, I'll describe it to you in a second. Let me just finish this passage here. Um,

01:45:08.560 Guns Kaliski, Guns Kaliski, a renowned Cherokee shaman was said to have destroyed several 0.99

01:45:15.760 Raven mockers by using a specialty made from duck root, enabling him to see them. I wonder how he,

01:45:21.120 he then went about it. So, um, one of the interesting details, Wes, about the Raven mocker, 0.83

01:45:26.560 uh, it's said to, um, fly through the air at night in a fiery form with outstretched arms

01:45:35.120 and a trail of sparks behind it. And that it's accompanied by the sound of rushing wind

01:45:42.160 and, and the cries of a Raven's dive. It's like a banshee. Well, it sounds a lot like I was telling

01:45:48.480 top, I don't often like to attribute, um, sort of, uh, what would you call it? A, a, uh, misunderstanding

01:45:57.120 to, to ancient people, because, you know, it's like, the more you look into things, the more you're

01:46:00.320 like, oh, maybe the ancients did know what the hell they were talking about, you know, about some of these

01:46:04.080 things that they were seeing. But sometimes that whole ancient aliens, um, uh, attribution of

01:46:13.120 them, not having the language to describe technology kind of seems like it applies.

01:46:18.000 So when you have something flying through the air at night, uh, with a trail of sparks behind it

01:46:24.800 in a fiery form, uh, and the sound of rushing wind and, and the cries of a Raven accompanying it,

01:46:31.920 it sounds a lot like, I mean, that sounds like a combustion engine. You know what I mean? Like

01:46:35.680 this, this, uh, it sounds like Iron Man, right, right, right. I just finished watching those, uh,

01:46:40.800 with my, my son. Um, so I don't know. I mean, very interesting. And then, yeah, they,

01:46:46.240 this is another interesting detail. They are said to gather at the homes of their victims

01:46:50.880 and they torment them by pressing on their chest to restrict breathing,

01:46:54.480 which sounds a lot like sleep paralysis, uh, or throwing them on the ground,

01:46:58.320 which sounds a lot like poltergeist activity. Oh, you guys should watch the Meadow Project and

01:47:02.320 see what happens. Interesting. Interesting. Full circle. Full circle. Um,

01:47:09.680 like maybe I will say in the trailer, there's a girl saying it grabbed me by the leg and threw me out of

01:47:15.360 bed. Oh, that's right. That is right, man. What the heck is that? That's bizarre. That's bizarre.

01:47:26.080 So what are you going to do, Wes? Are you going to keep doing this? You're going to keep going to

01:47:29.200 these places and see these things. And yeah, as long as you're armored up, right? Yeah. And,

01:47:36.640 and like, there's, there's going to be places I won't go for sure. But for the most part, you know,

01:47:41.920 like I want to tell these people's stories, that's the thing I want to do. And I want to add like

01:47:49.600 one thing I knew when I left my last place was whatever I do with what I can do, it's going to be

01:47:57.040 to serve the kingdom of God somehow, like whatever I do. Um, that doesn't mean I won't do any job ever

01:48:06.080 that doesn't, you know, you've got to put bread on the table. Uh, but I don't want to actively do

01:48:14.000 the opposite. Right. Like I don't want to, um, that's what was hard about the politics stuff is

01:48:19.600 because it wasn't, it was offering, like we were at that job, we were talking about solutions that did

01:48:27.120 not include the truth. It doesn't mean that that doesn't mean that they aren't viable solutions

01:48:32.000 for the time being, or that it's that you're not extrapolating, extracting truth from fact.

01:48:41.440 And you're saying, you may be saying things that are factual, but they're not. Right. And, um, uh,

01:48:47.200 and, and I'm just, I'm not willing to do that anymore. I'm not willing to be like,

01:48:52.480 oh, there's solutions for these like geopolitical nightmares we're living that don't include

01:48:58.080 like knowing the truth. There are solutions that don't involve like saying that, like,

01:49:03.360 we just got to vote the right guy in again. Like, it's just not, it's not doing it for me.

01:49:07.920 You know, it's like, and, and I'm done siding with politicians or, or, or world leaders or,

01:49:13.840 or public figures that if you are not on Christ's side, I'm not on your side, like at the end of the

01:49:20.880 day. And it's like, it is that 10 years ago, I would not have been talking like this. I've been like,

01:49:25.360 well, you know, they're the right guy, like lower taxes and, you know, a better foreign policy.

01:49:30.320 We're going to be sitting pretty. And I'm like, no, it's not true anymore. Yeah. It's not true

01:49:33.760 anymore. It's funny because as you're, as you're saying that without like getting too, uh, deep to

01:49:40.320 it, um, he's, he's got, okay. He's got his puppy. He's, he's doing his thing there. Um, yeah, there's, uh,

01:49:49.760 I guess it's hard to say, but I think that these things are actually not just

01:49:53.760 incompatible, but I think that they're in opposition to each other. Whereas, uh, we've

01:49:58.960 heard about what we do that there are people have issues. They have issue with, uh, the,

01:50:07.520 the faith aspect of what we do. Yeah. Whereas you think that you can balance these things,

01:50:12.720 but you really can't because I guess the realities is just, they are a polar opposites. They seem for a

01:50:18.960 long time to me that they were one in the same, or at least can go hand in hand. Like one leads into

01:50:23.440 the other, but I, one does lead into the other. I think politics should lead into this idea of

01:50:28.880 spirituality and Christianity, but you've got to leave it at the door. And, uh, it gets frustrating

01:50:34.720 for both parties that are in either camp when they're looking at each other because they can't

01:50:40.080 make sense of it. Yeah. And I think people hear that and they think like, what do you,

01:50:44.640 what do you suggest a theocracy? And it's like, no, it's just that any system is a flawed system.

01:50:49.200 If people are imbued by the spirit of Christ, like if, if you, you like, I'm a, uh, a free

01:50:55.360 enterprise guy, right? Like, uh, uh, I don't call it capitalism, capitalism anymore, because what does

01:51:01.120 that even mean? Like we're in a capitalist society and it's a corporate, corporatist nightmare, but like

01:51:07.680 people being free to make their own, to exchange goods and services. Sure. But just like socialism

01:51:13.440 or communism break down because of the godlessness of it, so too does free enterprise because you're

01:51:18.800 not dealing with honest brokers. So people can make like freedom in Christ is not freedom to

01:51:24.960 be libertine. It's freedom to do the right thing. And if you are not individually doing the right thing

01:51:30.960 from the bottom up, then the system is doomed. And so that's the same for the political system.

01:51:36.240 If there's a, I don't care what bill's being passed. If it's not being passed with the spirit

01:51:40.320 of like goodness, uh, like, and, and doing the right thing. And those things are not designed to

01:51:47.040 do that. They're designed to be big, to obfuscate the many bad things they do with a name, like the

01:51:52.000 dream act or whatever, you know, like they want it to sound as possible or as good as, as possible.

01:51:57.440 And that's once again, it's the same with like the new age, the new age you've talked about it a lot.

01:52:03.520 Uh, David, where it's like a lot of these things that they say, like, ah, you know,

01:52:07.760 the health benefits of this, the, the, the, the mental health benefits of, of these practices.

01:52:13.760 Yeah. I'm sure, you know, or something to like Eastern philosophy and like chakra.

01:52:18.800 I'm sure there is something that's wonderful about that, but at what cost, you know, what,

01:52:22.640 what is the root of it? Yoga, the same thing, you know, like, oh yeah, those stretches are great.

01:52:26.640 Are you trying to channel interdimensional entities while you do it?

01:52:29.600 So that's exactly where I've been at lately with the whole yoga thing. It's like, I can

01:52:32.960 probably use some stretching. My back is pretty stiff. And I think it's, it's a good thing to

01:52:37.600 incorporate stretching, especially if you're lifting and things like that. But at what point

01:52:41.360 are you trying to meditate and, and get in contact with something to align chakras, make yourself some

01:52:47.680 sort of a, an antenna of sorts to receive. It's just, just see five. It's a, then see five yoga.

01:52:54.720 And, uh, it's like, have you ever seen that show? The OA dude? Yeah. What a wild show. Yeah.

01:53:02.000 Cause that's, that's, and I think that's the difference is that you could do all of those.

01:53:05.760 They're literally just making body sigils. Like, yeah, that's repeated body sigils and,

01:53:11.280 and like yoga, you could interpret to be the same thing, but you don't have to do that. You can

01:53:15.760 do a downward dog and, uh, and, uh, whatever. And you're not trying to communicate with, you know,

01:53:21.920 I was so like, I just got this thing in my back dog. Yeah. I'm just trying to work this thing out

01:53:27.280 of my back. I, yeah, we've been in a similar place. Um, you know, everybody knows that the,

01:53:32.960 the whole falling out with, with Clint and we're not doing dangerous anymore, but

01:53:37.280 after it was removed and I think God removed it, I was able to look back and say like, yeah, dude,

01:53:42.960 I had to compromise my, my beliefs in order to engage with those ideas in a way that wasn't

01:53:51.440 going to constantly derail the show. You know what I mean? Because it's like, if you tell me

01:53:56.080 that, uh, we just need to do X, Y, and Z, and it's great that cash Patel is the head of the FBI. 0.97

01:54:03.600 What I really want to tell you is it doesn't, it doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter at all. 0.92

01:54:08.480 That cash Patel is the head of the FBI. It doesn't matter that your guy got out. It doesn't

01:54:13.040 matter. But what that makes is for every episode to be a contentious episode where I am unwilling to

01:54:19.280 move from my position, because in order to engage with these ideas and have a conversation that's

01:54:23.680 going to last two hours, I need to be able to say more than it doesn't matter. But the funny thing is

01:54:29.200 that on the flip side of that, that's the response that you would get from the political side.

01:54:35.680 Like I'm sure if we sat down with a, you know, like a Tim pool, he would, he would give you very

01:54:42.000 much. It doesn't really, that doesn't apply. It doesn't apply here. And it's like, yeah, you're

01:54:46.400 right. It doesn't, but neither does your shit. Not from my worldview. And I think my worldview is 1.00

01:54:51.520 correct. Yeah. And I'm, and I know you guys have a certain opinion of, of Tim and stuff. And I,

01:54:58.640 I, I, you know what, I, I like, uh, I like Tim and I think that he is, I think he's coming around.

01:55:07.920 I don't think you, you keep a guy like Cashman around and Tim obviously loves him. You know what

01:55:14.800 I mean? So like, I think what Tim has done is he just worked himself into a position where he can't

01:55:19.360 really engage with these ideas because everything he's built with built has, has been predicated on

01:55:24.800 engaging with these ideas. Yeah. What I, what I was saying is it's unfair. I've never spoken to Tim

01:55:29.920 in this, in that manner. I'm talking to like the people that we have, the real politic heads and

01:55:34.480 political heads, like Dave Smith. Yeah. He gave us that. Uh, I reject the premise. It was like,

01:55:39.680 yeah, dude, I reject your fucking premise. Like we can keep debating. It doesn't matter what you've 1.00

01:55:44.880 done here is, I mean, it's kind of astounding that you've built such a, like a, a large following

01:55:50.260 doing this, but I'm like, in the end, it's like, it's fruitless in a way. Cause where are we

01:55:54.300 leading people? Where are we going? I have a great Dave Smith, um, anecdote from where he was on our

01:56:00.620 show. Um, when we did the live event and I was, I had been there all week setting it up and I was

01:56:08.300 just flustered and done by the time the show started. And I walked up to Tim, that was asking me to do

01:56:12.860 something. And on the mic, Dave yelled at me. He was like, get your genocide out of here. And I was

01:56:19.740 like, and I had a shirt on and it had Hebrew like words across it. He was like, get your, uh, Zionist 0.92

01:56:30.380 genocide, get out of here. He was like, what's that say? And I said, it says Jesus is Messiah.

01:56:35.100 He goes, Oh, you just, you just want to piss off everybody.

01:56:38.460 I was upset about that Dave Smith episode because it was like, I do regard him as a,

01:56:47.500 as a great mind in his ability to, he, that was, he was being facetious, I should say.

01:56:52.940 Like, no, no, obviously in that moment. Um, but when I spoke to him, I was just trying to get him

01:57:00.140 to, I wanted to see what it was like when a guy like him engaged with these ideas and I couldn't

01:57:04.700 even get him to engage with the ideas. He rejected the premise outright. He wouldn't step

01:57:09.500 foot in that supernatural kind of a place. And I thought that it would have been an easy

01:57:15.100 compromise for him to make given the state of the world. Um, and you know, certainly what happens at

01:57:19.740 the upper echelons of politics, given all the Epstein-esque kind of, uh, you know, things that

01:57:24.140 we're subjected to now. And I thought, well, certainly now more than ever, a guy like Dave Smith can

01:57:30.780 entertain these ideas. And I was fascinated to see how he interacted with them. He wouldn't even

01:57:36.140 give me that. And I said, yeah, everybody gone ramp is in a different location. It is, it is. Uh,

01:57:42.700 but I had never, and, and I haven't, I hadn't up until that moment. And since then I still have not

01:57:49.980 had it happen again. Had anyone completely reject engaging with the ideas, just flat out,

01:57:57.180 reject and get, I won't engage. Cause when you say I reject the premise more effectively,

01:58:02.060 if you go back and watch that episode, what he said is I am unwilling to engage with those ideas

01:58:07.740 for an hour and a half to two hours. And I thought fascinating. Yes. I've never experienced that

01:58:13.580 before. And I thought that I would get something totally different from Dave Smith there. And, um,

01:58:20.860 and it's not what I got. So, I mean, that, yeah, I don't know. My read on that is probably

01:58:25.260 different than yours, or maybe it's not. You tell me if I'm wrong. Somebody who's unwilling to engage

01:58:30.780 with an idea is not somebody who dismisses them out of hand. It's somebody who cannot deal with

01:58:34.620 the reality of them. Yeah. Yeah. I think that Dave Smith is used to being, and I'm not saying

01:58:40.300 this to his detriment. I mean, if anything, it's actually a compliment. He's used to, to being able to

01:58:45.420 engage at a very high level with any topic that you throw at him. If you have Dave Smith in your

01:58:51.500 chair, if you, if you have him on your stage, then you are guaranteed a high level engagement

01:58:57.580 with whatever the subject matter is. He does not engage with something. It seems to be the case

01:59:06.140 that is going to have him give a subpar performance. And so it was like, he's, he doesn't,

01:59:11.900 he doesn't know enough about it. Yeah. He doesn't have a handle on the situation. And rather than

01:59:19.020 engage in it in, in any sort of lower capacity than what you're typically used to seeing from

01:59:23.420 Dave Smith, he's just not going to engage with it at all, which is like, you know, it's a, it's a

01:59:27.820 safe bet. And I don't dislike these people. It's the same thing with, with, uh, with Tim. I don't

01:59:32.380 dislike Tim. Um, we bust his balls a lot, but, and I, I, I kind of really just want, I want Tim to get 0.97

01:59:39.900 it. I want, I, and I think he does kind of get it on some level. It's just like, how much are you 0.99

01:59:44.620 willing to pull back the curtain? But what's, what's a shame about that is like, we don't have

01:59:48.700 any curtain. There's no curtain here. Um, you know, if, if you throw something at me that I

01:59:54.140 don't understand, I'm going to tell you that I'm retarded and I just don't understand it. Um, I,

01:59:58.460 I like to think that I, I, I get it though. Um, and I think that he does, but he's just like,

02:00:05.820 like I tweeted something this morning. I said, are you having fun? And it was just like to the,

02:00:09.820 to the, to, to Twitter at large. And, um, and I think once you, the reason you stop having fun

02:00:16.140 is because you won't allow yourself to be seen as, as the clown at all. Yeah. And that,

02:00:23.580 that puts you in a really, really rough spot. So, so Dave Smith, it's like in order to engage in

02:00:30.700 this supernatural conversation, he might've had to admit in that moment, much like I will admit 0.85

02:00:35.180 at any given moment, I'm retarded. I don't know anything about that. It seems that it's,

02:00:40.300 it's valid, but I know nothing about it. I've not spent any time looking into it.

02:00:44.300 So on that topic, I'm retarded, but that, that lowers you to the clown. And if you don't want to 0.96

02:00:49.740 be that, well, then you don't engage with it at all. But I think once you do that, you stop having

02:00:55.420 any fun. And I just wonder if, if these guys are having fun anymore, I don't know.

02:01:00.060 Right. And there's something to discussing it that is acknowledging it and acknowledging it

02:01:04.940 is tough because if you have a stable, that's, I feel like that's what a lot of new,

02:01:12.300 not new Christians, but people who are becoming like Christ curious, it's at the start, it's very,

02:01:20.620 you know what I mean? I'm curious. That's a great, that's a great shirt for people that like,

02:01:24.380 you know, I don't know, but I like to know. But I think it's very destabilizing at first because

02:01:29.340 you are built on a foundation of sand and to move to a foundation of stone,

02:01:37.580 it requires some movement on your part. It requires you deconstructing your domicile there

02:01:42.620 and moving it somewhere else. And that's very uncomfortable because at least, you know,

02:01:46.300 where it's the devil, you know, type thing. It's very, you're comfortable in that. And

02:01:53.020 I was

02:01:53.820 we were talking about sleep token before the show and they have a line. That's something about

02:02:03.660 like discordant days become harmony in your mind.

02:02:08.380 And it's like, you are too afraid to move to what would be better because

02:02:12.860 you are comfortable with what's not working because it's yours. So like moving from dysfunction

02:02:18.860 to function is scary because it means something with you or something around you is wrong. Even

02:02:23.980 you know, it is, you're like, you can reconcile and say like, it's not that bad, you know?

02:02:28.860 Yeah. And, and like, and I'm not diagnosing

02:02:33.820 Dave Smith. The dude's a hundred thousand times smarter than I am. So like, but you do see that

02:02:39.980 in people, right? You do see it where it's like, I'm not going to, it's, it's the like,

02:02:43.820 why don't you leave your abusive husband? And you're like, you don't get it. He's not like that all the

02:02:46.940 time, you know? And, and it's the same. Like he would be the first person to say like the world's

02:02:52.060 messed up. Right. And he'd be like, Hey, there's this great hope that did the most amazing thing that you

02:02:57.660 could like put your faith in and, and it absolve, not absolves you, but it, he, he took the brunt of

02:03:05.180 your punishment for you and your role in it and how that can change you. That's a hard pill to swallow

02:03:11.020 for somebody who's built their life on them. Yeah. He's, I'm not saying he did that. I'm just saying

02:03:16.060 people do. Yeah. So Jordan Peterson fallacy, right? Where it's like, what do you believe in God? What

02:03:20.540 do you mean by God? It's like faggot. Do you believe it? It's a simple, it's a simple question, 1.00

02:03:26.460 but I guess like, you know, to these people, these, uh, very high intellectuals, like I think

02:03:32.620 if they have to come to terms with it, I think I was mentioning this on the previous show, but, uh,

02:03:37.260 if you have to come to terms with this thing existing, that means that you have to also come

02:03:41.420 to terms with your entire personality, yourself, what you've done before and what you're going to

02:03:46.460 do after that has to die. Yeah. That's painful. I somewhat push back on you again on the Jordan 0.98

02:03:53.500 Peterson topic. Cause I actually like that answer from him is cause he's saying what,

02:03:57.660 what Christ means by believe in me and what Paul means by put your faith in him is not what most

02:04:02.220 Christians do. Most Christians say like, yeah, I believe it. Anyway, what's on HBO tonight? You know,

02:04:09.260 like it's, it's, it's passive. And he's saying like belief in something like that is much more powerful.

02:04:14.940 I'm referencing when they ask him if he believes in God.

02:04:18.940 Yeah. And I think, right. And I think, uh, I think that there, yeah, there's, there is,

02:04:26.140 yes, Christ made it simple. However, what belief means, I think is a big question because like,

02:04:31.980 I've seen those books at the bookstore that are like very passive. You're okay. I'm okay.

02:04:36.220 Christianity. It's like, just acknowledge that he did it and you're good. And it's like,

02:04:39.660 that is not what belief is. Belief changes you from the inside out. Like Christian does not mean 0.98

02:04:44.620 follower of Christ. It means emulator of Christ. It means change. Like when it's the whole, like,

02:04:50.940 sinners come to me as you are, but go from me and sin no more. There's a big caveat there of like,

02:04:57.260 it doesn't mean you're not going to ever sin again. It means your attitude towards sin changes. It means

02:05:01.660 that I don't want to do this anymore. I want to die not only into the world, but to me, that's tough.

02:05:07.580 And that level of belief is man, it's tough. It is rough. And, and, and, you know, it's,

02:05:16.140 it's like vomiting out who you are, who you've come to accept. Cause we do rationalize ourselves

02:05:23.580 as good people, right? We're like, I'm a good person, but you have to accept the fact that like,

02:05:27.980 oh man, I'm trash without you. I'm literal garbage without you. I'm made in the image of God. And, 1.00

02:05:33.980 and I'm a desecration of his name by my very existence without the, without the Holy Spirit,

02:05:40.620 without redemption through Christ. It's really hard when you've been,

02:05:43.100 you've been put up on a pedestal because of your materialistic ideas, right? So you're really good

02:05:47.660 at engaging with the materialistic realm with politics and all these things, and your understanding

02:05:52.140 of it and all of your study has elevated you to all of a sudden a person of authority,

02:05:57.340 somebody who celebrated. And these people I think are afraid not only of, of engaging with these

02:06:03.100 ideas that they don't understand and having to admit that, that whatever they've done is, is,

02:06:07.580 you know, folly, but it also makes them the low man on the totem pole. So you've climbed one totem

02:06:13.740 pole for as long as you could grab, you know, scratching and clawing your way to the top.

02:06:18.540 And now all of a sudden you're afraid of being cast at the bottom of the next totem pole,

02:06:21.900 but I don't see it that way at all. Going back to my engagement with Dave Smith,

02:06:26.940 I thought it was fascinating or would have been fascinating to see how a guy with his mind

02:06:32.220 interacts with these ideas. So it wouldn't cast Dave Smith at the bottom of the totem. No,

02:06:37.580 it would, it would just, you know, he would all like all of us, the more you learn, the more you

02:06:43.020 realize you didn't know to begin with, right? That's, that's kind of what learning is all about,

02:06:47.420 in my opinion. And, um, and there is no totem pole when it comes to belief in Christ, right?

02:06:53.580 I think that there's like this, this idea that there's a hierarchy. I believe more than you,

02:06:58.780 I'm more well studied than you, but Christ really has made it incredibly simple in a lot of ways.

02:07:04.380 Um, and, and, and, and it wouldn't have casted him in a negative, uh, light at all. But I think

02:07:10.540 a lot of these people, they are, uh, guarding the gold. Yeah. And to your earlier point about like,

02:07:17.180 you've built yourself on these ideas you've built, it, it makes you feel like, oh, I, if I believe this,

02:07:23.100 then it means these things I've done have no meaning, but it's the opposite. It's like the

02:07:27.980 reason you were able to do that in the first place was because imagine how powerful, like your,

02:07:34.300 your testimony is going to be and how, like how your knowledge will evolve once you,

02:07:39.260 the curtain is pulled back. Like it's, it's not like I'm a metaphor guy. So it's like, and

02:07:47.900 imagine training your whole life to understand music theory. And then somebody was like, hey, by the way,

02:07:52.380 if you do this, you'll have perfect pitch. And you're like, no, because I, I understand it on

02:07:57.900 a mathematical level. And it's like, yeah, but you could feel it on a, you could feel it. And it's

02:08:02.380 like, no, that'll make all my knowledge worthless. And it's like, no, it's not. If you have perfect

02:08:05.980 pitch, imagine how powerful you're going to be musically. If you already know this,

02:08:10.140 whereas if you're somebody with perfect pitch, who's never studied music, you may be able to like

02:08:14.220 play a tune. But if you can't hang with the studio musicians who can recite, read sheet music,

02:08:19.100 it's like, what good are you? You know, like, dude, that's like, I would, I, I'm never going

02:08:22.540 to claim to be the Dave Smith of conspiracy and occult, but I came through that way. Right. I,

02:08:28.620 I learned all of those ideas first, conspiracy and, and occult concepts and all this crap.

02:08:34.380 I saw that first. And then when I finally came over to Christianity and realized 0.54

02:08:38.940 that I had been not giving this thing that it's due that had been there the entire time and was always

02:08:44.540 like all the information kept kind of flowing towards it. And I kept going, ah, not today,

02:08:47.580 not today. Once I did that, it like, it didn't say, wipe the slate clean. Everything you think,

02:08:54.060 you know, is, is totally bullshit. Um, and therefore forget it all. It was like, here is a much greater 1.00

02:09:00.460 context for all the things you think, you know. Yeah. And you're an asset to believers who don't 0.98

02:09:05.180 know those things. So whenever I bump into somebody that's like, oh, you're just a, you're just a

02:09:10.460 Christian. You believe that your God is real when all these other gods aren't real. It's like, you 0.99

02:09:16.860 think you understand what I am. I actually think those other ones are real too. They're just lower

02:09:21.260 case G baby. Like those are also real. And I've been through all that crap. If you want to sit here

02:09:26.540 and talk to me about numerology and, and all this crap, like I've, I've been through it. I understand

02:09:31.260 it. I see, I see the symbols they're there. You know what I mean? You're not wrong in noticing that,

02:09:36.300 but I got through all that and realized that I was wrong about my interpretation of these things.

02:09:41.100 It's like much of the information is real. The nature of it all is what's incredibly important.

02:09:46.860 And if you don't have a grasp on the nature, then your interpretation of all the things that are real

02:09:51.820 is skewed and, and massively to your detriment. And so, um, I, I think it would have been the same

02:09:57.660 thing and who knows, you know, everybody's journey is different. Dave Smith did say having a child made

02:10:01.980 him believe in God. And my thing with that was like, well, then you should probably be tenaciously

02:10:07.420 after that, as tenaciously as you are after everything else. Um, but listen, it's the two

02:10:12.940 hour, uh, and 10 mark. Let's bring it in for a landing here. One more time, Wes, when is this is

02:10:18.220 going to, we're going to try to drop this, uh, tonight. So what's the date of the release of the

02:10:21.660 documentary? Where can people find it, uh, and check it out? Uh, it will be on moment.co.

02:10:28.700 Um, it's like a premier, uh, website and it comes out July 27th, uh, July 27th. It'll,

02:10:38.860 it'll drop at 8 PM Eastern time. Um, and yeah, uh, I, I hope you guys, uh, I hope everybody enjoys

02:10:47.180 it. Um, it's, it's, it's not what I think a lot of people are expecting. Um, it's like I said,

02:10:53.500 it's more of an adaptation of the stories of the book and some like casual insights on it. Some,

02:10:58.220 it's not meant to be a, um, like a diagnosis of what, you know, we think or anything like that,

02:11:09.340 like that didn't feel appropriate texting you afterwards, because I know, obviously I can't

02:11:17.120 ask you here on the show, what you think is happening there, but after I watch it, I will

02:11:21.300 be messaging you. And if you guys want to bring me back, we could talk about it. We can talk about

02:11:24.880 the stories. Yeah. Because there's so much that I want to ask you, but I don't want to give away

02:11:30.460 too much. Um, so I think it would be a good idea to have you back on and, and, and is it in Georgia?

02:11:34.880 Not allowed to say top lobsters. Stop. No comment. Unbelievable. No comment. Um, look, Wes, where

02:11:43.340 else can everybody find your work? Uh, that's for the documentary anywhere else they could look you up.

02:11:46.880 Um, yeah, like you can check out my old work on YouTube. There's clips of it. Um, show called

02:11:53.280 cast castle that I did. I'm, I'm proud of that. It was just a silly, stupid thing that we did. Um,

02:12:00.440 like, uh, it's always sunny ish type thing at the office. Um, I saw a couple of people saying they

02:12:07.160 love the show supernatural. We did two episodes that were direct spoofs of supernatural with Tony

02:12:12.200 Merkel, where we took on a tuba that took the shape of Joe Biden. Um, and spoiler, uh, the way

02:12:21.300 we couldn't figure out how to defeat him. So we just trapped him at the top of stairs and he couldn't

02:12:25.240 get down. Let's give my scream at the top of stairs. You're good. Hey Wes, are you having fun,

02:12:33.140 dude? Oh yeah. I'm having fun. Uh, I'm, I'm ready to move on from this piece, this film. Um,

02:12:39.500 it's been, I've been working on it since January. So, uh, yeah, it's been a long time coming in.

02:12:45.640 I'm going into the next, going right into the next one. And then we got another one right after

02:12:49.440 that. So, um, we're, we're trying to be consistent, but not like oversaturate at the same time or,

02:12:57.260 or sacrifice quality for quantity. Um, but there's a lot of stories to tell and, and this, our whole

02:13:03.740 team feels called to do this. Like I'll say encouraging thing, like Kent on our team, who is

02:13:10.080 not a Christian, but he's not adversarial. I just remember at one point he called me during this

02:13:18.500 and he said, I gotta go back to church just un, un provoked or unsolicited. He was just like,

02:13:25.080 I just feel like I should do that. And I was like, all right, in my ledger one, got one. So

02:13:32.720 this was worth it. One person being there. And I was like, yeah. And that's what we want from this

02:13:37.100 ultimately is, is for people to say, cause I'm sure you guys get it. The people that are like,

02:13:41.920 Hey, I wasn't even thinking about this. And now it's something I'm considering and I see it for what

02:13:46.560 it is. And I see the world for what it is. And, and that's what we want is to people to see the power

02:13:51.920 of the Lord and understand that he's more powerful than the forces of evil.

02:13:58.860 Well, I think that's a great message. Um, that's a great place to put a fork in it. And we'd love to

02:14:03.320 have you back. Uh, maybe next time we can grab somebody. I don't know if you have access to

02:14:06.840 anybody who can come on and also elaborate a little bit on, on what goes on there at the meadow. Um,

02:14:12.420 but I think we should run it back because a lot of people, you know, this is a good way to get

02:14:16.300 people to go and check it out. I know I'm going to check it out. I'll be there at 27th, uh, 8 PM,

02:14:20.980 uh, but I'm going to have a lot of questions after it's over. So yeah, there'll be a lot of

02:14:25.520 questions. Um, it's like I said, it's, it's a, it's not an analysis. It's a presentation,

02:14:30.440 right? It's a, here's what happened. Um, and not a like, okay, let's look into this. Cause we just,

02:14:36.420 I have my thoughts and like, there's several things I wanted to bring up on here. Um,

02:14:41.580 I was like, ah, I can't go there yet. Um, see, see, all right. All right. We're going to have

02:14:46.320 you back on. We'll talk about whatever the hell is going on at the meadow. Uh, guys,

02:14:50.900 if you want to see it, be there on the 27th at 8 PM. What's the website? One more time.

02:14:55.220 Moment.co. Moment.co. All right, guys, we know where to find it. Uh, Wes, thank you,

02:15:01.800 brother. It's always a pleasure talking to you. And, uh, until next time soon. Until next time.

02:15:06.240 And thank you guys. Until next time. Obey, submit, and comply guys. Peace out.

02:15:25.140 What they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

02:15:27.060 And they have.

Nephilim Death Squad - July 23, 2025

188： The Meadow Project w⧸ Wesley Roth ｜ Nephilim Death Squad

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