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00:01:10.340 Then we're going to, well, top loves the productions.

00:01:13.780 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:01:22.740 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

00:01:27.040 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:36.000 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely normal.

00:01:42.220 Oh, yeah, dude.

00:01:43.500 There's some Nephilim shit.

00:01:44.680 It's like we all know it's going down, but no one's saying shit what happened to the home of the brave.

00:01:50.240 But they controlling us now.

00:01:52.120 I know we're talking about how they made us not to be slaves.

00:01:55.240 And everybody's just walking around.

00:01:57.320 Head in the clouds, I want to wake you to a dead in the grave.

00:02:00.440 But it's too late, we need to be ready to raise up.

00:02:03.240 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:05.000 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:06.420 Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in their hands.

00:02:10.120 What was it for?

00:02:11.940 I don't even know if you could say it.

00:02:13.240 Don't say it.

00:02:13.800 We can't say it.

00:02:14.300 Because we're now live on YouTube.

00:02:15.840 Yeah.

00:02:16.320 We got to start.

00:02:16.840 It had something to do with the water.

00:02:18.120 It had something to do with the water.

00:02:19.100 It wasn't even like a 2020 thing.

00:02:21.340 Dude, we say crazy stuff.

00:02:23.760 It wasn't politics.

00:02:25.260 It wasn't Jewish stuff.

00:02:26.640 They wanted to do off.

00:02:27.520 No, no.

00:02:28.200 It was the water that we're investigating.

00:02:31.180 I told you about the well that we went to.

00:02:33.180 Something to do with that.

00:02:34.920 That's crazy.

00:02:35.900 Yeah, it was just like brought up randomly offhand.

00:02:38.580 And they were like, you can't say that.

00:02:40.620 And they gave us a strike.

00:02:41.840 It was our second strike.

00:02:42.700 And we were almost ready.

00:02:43.420 I'm not going to say the terminology associated with it.

00:02:46.400 I'm just going to say we were speculating.

00:02:48.360 It rhymes with cluck shirt.

00:02:49.800 Right.

00:02:50.060 Well, also snout the line.

00:02:53.820 But we were speculating as to the potential health benefits of a type of water.

00:02:58.960 And that was enough.

00:02:59.680 And all we said.

00:03:00.440 Yeah.

00:03:01.040 All we said was maybe.

00:03:02.660 Maybe.

00:03:03.200 Yeah.

00:03:03.560 Might be good for you.

00:03:04.540 Yeah.

00:03:04.720 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:03:10.240 I am David Lee Corbo, aka The Raven.

00:03:12.460 That is Top Lobster, the father of this information.

00:03:14.820 It's true.

00:03:15.400 We're doing something different today.

00:03:16.980 We are here with Matt of the Standard Coffee Shop.

00:03:20.320 I don't know how we start this.

00:03:21.980 This is different.

00:03:22.880 It's different.

00:03:23.440 I think we started it good.

00:03:24.820 Just, I think so.

00:03:25.540 However, we felt.

00:03:26.360 You know what I felt like?

00:03:27.160 I felt like Joe Rogan.

00:03:28.500 You know when Joe Rogan starts an episode?

00:03:30.100 Because we're a big deal.

00:03:31.180 And we were talking about how big of a deal we are before the show started.

00:03:33.520 And I said, I feel like Joe Rogan.

00:03:36.600 And after we did that intro where we casually got into it, I feel like the same.

00:03:40.500 Do you want me to get into my Joe Rogan text messages?

00:03:42.880 You have text messages?

00:03:44.020 I didn't know he doesn't really respond to them.

00:03:46.300 But like back in the 2000s, I don't know, like 2015, 2016.

00:03:51.160 But I feel like if we're going to go Joe Rogan on the intro.

00:03:54.200 What did you text Joe Rogan?

00:03:55.520 Well, so.

00:03:56.320 Wait, how do you have his number?

00:03:57.960 No, I'm not talking about like that.

00:03:59.260 I'm just talking about on like Instagram.

00:04:00.620 You know how you do it on Instagram?

00:04:02.360 Yeah, yeah.

00:04:02.660 So, so, so I was like watching him and he was talking about the first time he was talking

00:04:10.060 about how Moses at the burning bush was hallucinating on DMT.

00:04:14.260 Yeah, the occasion.

00:04:15.420 Yeah.

00:04:15.740 Yeah.

00:04:16.360 Releasing dimethyl trichlorine.

00:04:17.280 So then like I thought you could communicate with him, like text him.

00:04:20.380 I'd be like, bro, hold on.

00:04:21.300 Let's talk through this.

00:04:22.040 Screw you, bro.

00:04:22.900 That's not how it happened.

00:04:23.980 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:04:25.100 No, you want me to read him?

00:04:26.060 Really?

00:04:26.300 Yeah, please.

00:04:26.840 Oh my God.

00:04:27.800 I see a wall of text.

00:04:29.560 That's what I'm saying.

00:04:30.140 I didn't know.

00:04:30.860 Wait, wait, wait.

00:04:31.460 First off, how old are you?

00:04:32.940 Uh, 44.

00:04:34.300 Okay, so you're getting into the boomer age with, okay.

00:04:36.700 Yeah.

00:04:37.320 This is boomer behavior.

00:04:38.400 What?

00:04:38.860 What?

00:04:39.340 Yeah, dude, you can't just message Joe Rogan.

00:04:42.760 Yeah.

00:04:43.200 See, I didn't know.

00:04:45.080 I didn't know that.

00:04:46.320 Technically, you can.

00:04:47.840 Well, I mean, yeah, technically you did.

00:04:49.520 This is like so funny how I did it too.

00:04:51.180 It was like very professional too.

00:04:52.340 It was like, I said, okay, in response to the comment.

00:04:54.320 Good evening, Mr. Rogan.

00:04:55.640 I just hate to say anything about it.

00:04:57.020 I don't like intros.

00:04:57.940 I hate intros.

00:04:58.540 Yeah, that's why we avoided it.

00:04:59.960 They've been nervous.

00:05:02.080 In response to the comment about Moses possibly just hallucinating at the burning bush, everything

00:05:06.540 Moses did after this experience proves that he was really communicating with God at the

00:05:10.340 burning bush.

00:05:11.580 Yeah.

00:05:12.040 He really went into Egypt and he really brought out a slave nation into freedom out of the

00:05:16.260 most powerful nation on earth at the time.

00:05:18.460 He really did plague Egypt with multiple plagues and he really did part the Red Sea so that the

00:05:23.320 slave nation could walk out on dry land.

00:05:25.080 If you're acknowledging that the burning bush story definitely happened, then you must acknowledge

00:05:29.380 that the rest of the story happened.

00:05:30.660 If you don't believe any of it, then that's another discussion for another time.

00:05:34.180 My family and I really love you.

00:05:36.540 My family and I really love this guy.

00:05:39.760 Then Joe Rogan responded a year later.

00:05:41.660 He said, you thought I was going to read this.

00:05:43.740 So, guys, I really thought I was going to read this.

00:05:44.940 No, I got all kinds of other ones, bro.

00:05:46.680 Because he was like, oh, my God.

00:05:48.200 I don't want to read all of them.

00:05:49.820 I was like, sweetie, this dude is like, because back then he was like still a liberal.

00:05:54.000 What year was it?

00:05:55.240 2016.

00:05:55.820 2016.

00:05:56.680 Well, no, that text happened in 2019, but I think I started watching like 2016 or 17.

00:06:01.460 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:06:02.080 But I was always like, sweetie, this dude's going to half around and end up at Jesus.

00:06:05.240 Like he, like with his Graham Hancock stuff and just all the other stuff where he was

00:06:09.560 like looking for truth.

00:06:11.040 Like if you look for truth, you end up at Jesus.

00:06:13.260 So I was like always saying that.

00:06:15.580 And then sure enough, I think he's like.

00:06:17.560 What do you think of that now?

00:06:18.620 Because the rumors are that he's slowly inching towards.

00:06:22.180 I think I even saw articles.

00:06:23.620 He goes to church now.

00:06:24.300 Is that true, though?

00:06:25.340 I mean, there's a lot of things that are being said.

00:06:27.600 So they say, I mean, this guy, Wes Huff.

00:06:29.580 Have you ever heard of him?

00:06:30.240 He's like.

00:06:30.500 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:31.480 Well, he was the dude who finally blew up the ass at Billy Carson.

00:06:35.060 Yeah.

00:06:35.680 Shut up, Billy Carson.

00:06:36.540 Because like the dude, Billy Carson was always saying the dumbest stuff.

00:06:40.020 Yeah, you didn't.

00:06:41.280 Well, no, I'm not against Anunnaki, but I'm just saying like the way he'd interpret Greek

00:06:44.600 or like the Elohim in Hebrew or like he would just say the dumbest stuff.

00:06:48.180 Like, bro, none of that's accurate.

00:06:49.780 But he would just be on with people that didn't know how to respond.

00:06:52.480 It's like Wes Huff was the guy who was like, bro, you're totally missing it.

00:06:55.140 He killed him.

00:06:55.580 But actually, funny story, we were on Luke Witkowski's show.

00:06:59.800 He's like, he's on Tim Pool sometimes.

00:07:02.040 He did.

00:07:02.420 He was involved with Loose Change like back in the day.

00:07:05.040 And it was the first time we were on a show, right?

00:07:07.260 First or second.

00:07:08.260 So we're there in his house and he's doing like the whole studio thing.

00:07:11.580 And at the end, he does a segment where he goes, okay, ask a question to the guest

00:07:15.600 that's coming up.

00:07:16.640 And we're like, who's the guest?

00:07:18.020 Like, they're going to be on like the next day or something like that.

00:07:20.140 It was Billy Carson.

00:07:21.000 No way.

00:07:21.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:07:21.900 But I didn't know who he was.

00:07:23.060 So I was like, oh, Billy Carson, whatever.

00:07:24.840 I was like, ask him why aliens and demons flee at the name of Jesus Christ.

00:07:31.660 And then he's like, somebody writes it down.

00:07:32.860 And the next day, they ask him.

00:07:34.180 And we watch that part and he gets all like uppity and like, how funny is that that we

00:07:38.220 served him?

00:07:38.620 It was the perfect question for Billy Carson.

00:07:40.220 That was the most disappointing Joe Rogan episode that I ever watched.

00:07:43.800 I was like, I was driving to Georgia and I was like, oh, this dude, he's talking about

00:07:47.020 emerald tablets and all this cool stuff from like the ancient basketball.

00:07:49.520 There's no, there's nothing for the emerald tablets.

00:07:51.740 We only have like secondhand account.

00:07:53.340 We don't have the emerald tablets.

00:07:54.520 They're not sitting in a museum somewhere.

00:07:55.660 We just have somebody else's account.

00:07:57.960 The dude's a picture right here.

00:07:59.600 Yeah.

00:07:59.860 It's, it's, yeah.

00:08:01.140 But I was like so pumped to hear this dude, Billy Carson, like a half hour into it.

00:08:04.520 I was like, this dude's just a total fraud.

00:08:06.360 Yeah.

00:08:06.560 It's like, there's like nothing there.

00:08:08.080 Well, that's the way we look at this.

00:08:09.720 It's like, I'm not dismissing anybody's mythology.

00:08:12.680 Uh, I believe they saw something.

00:08:14.860 I believe they interacted with something, their pantheon.

00:08:17.100 I don't believe it wasn't real.

00:08:18.280 I believe it was real.

00:08:19.640 It's just where we're coming from.

00:08:21.820 You're dealing with the fallen and you're dealing with their offspring.

00:08:25.560 And, and there are a lot of truths intertwining with those stories, but there's a fundamental

00:08:31.580 lie.

00:08:32.220 And it's the nature of these things.

00:08:34.440 That's where the lie is.

00:08:35.280 So, so when people go like, I've seen it online or I've been accused of it.

00:08:38.580 It's like, Oh, you believe your God is real, but you don't believe any of these other guys.

00:08:42.540 The lowercase g gods are definitely, they're definitely that Deuteronomy 32, eight, nine.

00:08:47.420 It's, it says even like when it all went down or in Daniel, when, when, uh, he's praying

00:08:51.780 and then Gabriel shows up and Gabriel says, bro, I was coming 21 days ago.

00:08:55.520 It doesn't take 21 days to get from heaven to earth, but the Prince of Persia held me

00:08:59.220 up.

00:08:59.640 Yeah.

00:08:59.920 Like that's what he's talking about is lowercase g gods that rolled in the heavenlies.

00:09:03.120 So like when Gabriel sent, he sent to get here, but he can't get through till Michael

00:09:07.060 comes in.

00:09:08.340 It's no different than like mayors and governors and presidents and like sheriffs.

00:09:12.580 And well, that's where that thrones, dominions, principalities, powers.

00:09:15.940 Yeah.

00:09:16.020 That's where that as above, so below principle comes in.

00:09:18.520 Yeah.

00:09:18.720 Like, yeah, we, we emulate in the earthly realm, what happened in the heavenly realms.

00:09:23.680 And that's, you know, isn't it weird?

00:09:25.640 I'll break the third wall.

00:09:26.860 Um, I like in this part of Florida where I live at, it's, it's improbable that there would

00:09:33.700 be a coffee shop that is, uh, like a, basically just a front for a Christian library.

00:09:38.920 Yeah.

00:09:39.140 Kind of like speakeasy vibes.

00:09:40.460 Yeah.

00:09:40.800 I walked in with the, the Nephilim, I had the other Nephilim desk watch shirt and he goes,

00:09:44.660 what's that mean?

00:09:46.020 What's that bro?

00:09:46.820 And he just started talking to me.

00:09:47.640 I was like, no, we were boys.

00:09:48.660 We were like immediately.

00:09:49.740 Yeah.

00:09:50.100 He's like, can I call you?

00:09:50.820 I was like, no, don't call me.

00:09:51.660 Can we call me?

00:09:53.240 Let's do this.

00:09:54.120 Um, okay.

00:09:54.620 Yeah.

00:09:55.060 Tell us what the hell this place is.

00:09:56.980 We're in the standard coffee shop.

00:09:57.740 Let's do an introduction.

00:09:58.700 Yeah.

00:09:58.880 Yeah.

00:09:59.020 Yeah.

00:09:59.160 What, what is this place?

00:09:59.960 It's just a Christian library.

00:10:01.580 Like you're saying, so it's like the back is a Christian library.

00:10:03.840 That's why we built it.

00:10:04.940 Like we didn't, we didn't build it to be entrepreneurs or be like rich or whatever, but we do love

00:10:09.640 coffee.

00:10:10.040 My wife and I both.

00:10:11.300 So we tried to think of like, how do you do a, uh, well, let me go back a little bit.

00:10:17.640 So like, so I got converted.

00:10:19.260 I had like a radical conversion and started reading the Bible and got like really close to the Lord.

00:10:23.200 And then I started attending like the 501c3 religious institutions.

00:10:26.520 They're like a frame and they have a cross on top and you go into like 10 AM every Sunday

00:10:30.620 and there's announcements and a songs and a guy gives a speech.

00:10:33.960 That's what we did.

00:10:34.600 Like what we just did.

00:10:35.400 Yeah.

00:10:35.800 Yeah.

00:10:35.920 So this is actually why we were late.

00:10:37.480 So put a pin in that.

00:10:38.400 We were late, uh, showing up maybe about 20 minutes late because I had to go home.

00:10:42.780 Well, the Raven was like way later.

00:10:44.220 He was way later.

00:10:45.080 I expect nothing from the.

00:10:46.360 I went home.

00:10:46.880 I ate a steak.

00:10:47.640 I like how he calls you the Raven.

00:10:50.060 Yeah.

00:10:50.460 It's called respect.

00:10:51.360 That's a beautiful thing.

00:10:52.360 Maybe you should learn some.

00:10:53.100 Uh, they did have, uh, in the part of the worship service, which is rare.

00:10:56.740 My wife is here and we, we've been in the music, the music part.

00:11:00.120 Um, there was tongues being spoken.

00:11:02.580 And then immediately after translation and interpretation, which is solid because that

00:11:07.760 like, I I've seen it maybe two, three times in my life.

00:11:10.220 And I've seen a lot of three.

00:11:11.640 That's funny because I've seen it three, four times already.

00:11:14.180 No, in this place.

00:11:14.840 Yeah.

00:11:15.360 Oh, wow.

00:11:15.880 Yeah.

00:11:16.060 They might just be lying.

00:11:17.480 That was their interpretation.

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00:12:00.060 Hashtag make a play.

00:12:04.060 Every, every time I've seen it so far, you got to keep in mind, I'm new to the whole thing.

00:12:08.280 Yeah.

00:12:08.400 I've only just started going to church and this is the first church I've gone to for any meaningful length of time.

00:12:13.020 Wait for, so for how long?

00:12:14.520 My whole life.

00:12:15.840 No, no.

00:12:16.100 How long have you been going to the...

00:12:17.140 Oh, I think it's like two months now.

00:12:19.420 When did you start reading the Bible?

00:12:22.020 Why was I still struggling with that?

00:12:23.620 No, because bro, you're talking to the dude, I forget which episode, but you're talking about

00:12:26.840 how like the Antichrist and the AI system specifically is going to like take over and your only protection

00:12:32.420 against that like guiding, like it wasn't going to actually predict the future.

00:12:35.700 It was actually funneling everyone into the future.

00:12:38.020 You were like your only protection against that is the Holy Spirit.

00:12:40.380 I was like, yo, the Raven might know what's up.

00:12:41.920 So, so you said it earlier where it's like, um, if you are pursuing the truth, you're going

00:12:47.180 to end up at Jesus Christ.

00:12:48.300 Yeah.

00:12:48.700 So I, is that your guys' stories too?

00:12:50.960 Well, I mean, I was, I don't know.

00:12:53.800 I know.

00:12:54.300 Everybody's got to get ready to drink.

00:12:55.860 He says this every show.

00:12:57.020 And there's a couple of calls.

00:12:57.900 It's relevant to the conversation every time I've been a conspiracy theorist since I'm

00:13:02.160 16 years old.

00:13:03.660 Drink.

00:13:04.020 If you, if anybody have a drink, it's very disrespectful.

00:13:08.200 I didn't come to this guy's thing to be disrespected.

00:13:10.060 So, so, um, I didn't have a grounding in the church, but I, I learned all that shit for

00:13:18.200 all those years.

00:13:18.920 And then once I got to Christianity and I was finally willing to, to go, okay, fine.

00:13:23.060 Let's, it keeps coming up and keep seeing relevant to the con or seeming relevant to

00:13:26.940 the conversation.

00:13:28.140 Let's finally give it its due diligence, see how it applies.

00:13:30.840 It became the context for everything that I previously learned.

00:13:33.720 So it was like reading a, a big book, but you're reading all the chapters out of context.

00:13:39.600 You're not reading them in order.

00:13:40.580 And then finally you have another thing that goes, here's how this gets all pulled together.

00:13:45.380 So I have all of that.

00:13:46.880 So when I, I, you know, it's, um, this is why I like, like when you came to us with the

00:13:52.280 the story about the circumcisions, like me too, as well, I've, I was in the church my

00:13:56.840 whole life, but I'm kind of rusty on the Bible.

00:13:59.160 So I'm like freshening back up.

00:14:00.960 There's a lot of things that fell through the cracks, but we know most of it.

00:14:05.540 Yeah.

00:14:06.340 Yeah.

00:14:06.580 So, so no, some, I mean, you're kind of like, no, I mean, he's, he's better at it than

00:14:11.620 I am.

00:14:12.200 Yeah.

00:14:12.560 And I'm not great.

00:14:13.380 So we're not great.

00:14:15.280 Period.

00:14:16.100 We're, we're kind of idiot.

00:14:17.140 So I kind of had the opposite though.

00:14:18.420 I was like straight Bible and then I started hearing some conspiracy theory stuff and I

00:14:23.660 was like, yo, I don't have any problem.

00:14:26.320 Yeah.

00:14:26.440 That applies.

00:14:27.080 Yeah.

00:14:27.300 Like, like based on a biblical view of everything, like there, there's a 0% chance you're ever

00:14:32.160 going to tell me anything crazier than God came down to the earth as a man and let people

00:14:35.780 spit in his face and rip his beard out and whipped his back and made him die a bloody

00:14:39.320 torturous death to buy me back from the dead.

00:14:41.640 There's, there's no conspiracies.

00:14:43.120 Pretty wild story.

00:14:43.880 You were raised in the church?

00:14:45.380 No.

00:14:45.820 No.

00:14:46.060 When did you start when he doesn't go, we didn't know we went to Catholic church when

00:14:51.120 I was a kid, but when did you start really locking into that biblical worldview is so

00:14:55.680 okay.

00:14:56.100 So it's kind of weird.

00:14:56.880 Cause, uh, like we went when I was a kid, so I'd like heard the stories.

00:15:00.600 Plus I grew up in a nation that has Christmas.

00:15:02.600 So you have like the baby Jesus and stuff.

00:15:04.240 So you're like aware.

00:15:05.240 Yeah.

00:15:06.560 Uh, but then I was 19, I got a Bible and I was like, dude, this is definitely the truth.

00:15:12.480 Like, like this book is definitely the truth.

00:15:14.260 I thought I was just going to like gavel in it and kind of, uh, I don't know, like learn

00:15:18.620 about other religions and stuff too.

00:15:20.440 Why'd you get the Bible?

00:15:21.900 My grandma was telling me to get a Bible.

00:15:23.620 My grandma and grandpa was like the only Christians I knew.

00:15:26.460 And she was in a nursing home and she was like, uh, she's like, you're reading the Bible.

00:15:31.240 Yeah.

00:15:31.520 And I kept telling her, yeah.

00:15:32.720 And I was like, bro, I gotta, I shouldn't lie.

00:15:34.740 So I was like, so I got one.

00:15:38.300 She gave me one and, uh, it was King James.

00:15:41.200 I couldn't understand it.

00:15:42.100 But I told a guy that on a job one day and he gave me a kid's Bible.

00:15:46.420 Yeah.

00:15:46.760 I was like, no, I was like, bro, wait, there's pictures in it.

00:15:48.840 So he goes, no, no, it's just plain English, but there's pictures in it too.

00:15:51.200 There wasn't any pictures.

00:15:52.560 This place is awesome, dude.

00:15:53.920 Like they can't see the entire library here, but it's like, like wall to wall books.

00:15:58.600 And they even have like a kid section over here.

00:16:00.040 And my kids like to go there and flip through the stuff, man.

00:16:02.160 I, I went to a church, um, probably when I was like 17, 18, because by that time I was

00:16:07.260 like, you know, pretty, pretty locked into the, you know, I was smoking a lot of weed,

00:16:11.900 which isn't good for your mind developmentally.

00:16:14.740 And it makes you hyper analytical because you have that same component that makes you paranoid

00:16:22.020 makes you hyper analytical.

00:16:23.580 So then I start analyzing everything.

00:16:25.400 I'm seeing all these weird idiosyncrasies and the strangeness and the backdrop of life that

00:16:28.680 doesn't make any sense and nobody's addressing all the occult weird crap.

00:16:31.620 I spend enough time there that I go, I'm going to a church to ask them for a Bible.

00:16:36.400 And I basically just set out, this is such an able move.

00:16:40.620 I set out to just read the book of Revelation.

00:16:43.960 So I didn't do, no, didn't do that because the language was so dense.

00:16:48.740 You know, you're saying you picked up the King James version.

00:16:50.740 So that's what they gave me.

00:16:52.080 It's actually weird.

00:16:52.980 Like he tried to do early on in the show when the show didn't start off as like a Christian

00:16:57.560 conspiracy sort of thing.

00:16:59.400 It started off as just conspiracy.

00:17:01.600 We wanted to do like comedy, conspiracy.

00:17:04.540 We want to have fun.

00:17:05.360 But obviously, like you said, it always points back to Jesus.

00:17:08.660 So like every, every rock that we look under, we're like, damn, he's under here too.

00:17:13.180 Yeah.

00:17:13.360 Like we start.

00:17:14.500 Yeah.

00:17:14.840 Yeah.

00:17:15.100 So like, let's start there looking there and then the rest will fall into place and

00:17:18.640 it does.

00:17:18.880 Yeah.

00:17:19.060 But so we started the show and on his own, he does like a Bible study with the listeners

00:17:24.520 and he was having a problem, like reading the Bible, not because he can't read.

00:17:29.440 He can read fine.

00:17:30.560 It's just like, what were you getting dizzy?

00:17:32.220 I was getting dizzy.

00:17:33.540 I was getting nauseous.

00:17:34.620 I was getting headaches.

00:17:35.860 And to the point where like I had to, there's been like a couple of times where I've had to

00:17:41.020 stop a show because I was actually sick.

00:17:43.100 Like sometimes I'd be going for like an hour and a half and I'm like, I'm, I have a fever

00:17:46.300 right now, but I'm still doing the show and now I'm just taxed and I got to stop.

00:17:50.160 So you're seeing, you got like some spiritual attack.

00:17:52.060 I didn't recognize it as a spiritual attack.

00:17:53.940 I tried to rationalize it as like, I'm doing this and I'm like focusing on small text,

00:17:59.040 but like I have 20, 20 vision.

00:18:00.660 I don't need classes or anything like that.

00:18:02.400 So, and also of course the chat, the live chat is just tearing me apart.

00:18:06.160 They're like, Raven's got demons.

00:18:07.500 He carried the Bible.

00:18:08.380 And I'm like, so I'm forced to then, I'm forced to tango with that to whatever extent.

00:18:13.100 And yeah, I think, I guess in hindsight, now that it's been long enough, I'm willing to,

00:18:18.100 it doesn't sting as much to admit like, yeah, I think it was a spiritual thing.

00:18:21.280 Sure.

00:18:21.700 And I just have, I'm thinking about getting a new inspired version, right?

00:18:25.440 That's the NIV.

00:18:26.400 Is that what that is?

00:18:27.700 I don't know.

00:18:28.300 I think it's that NIV is necessary in Vineyard and the Vineyard church.

00:18:32.220 You guys, I don't know what that, you won't get that.

00:18:34.140 It just has like, it has simple dude English.

00:18:37.900 Oh, new living NLT.

00:18:39.620 Are you looking for the pigeon?

00:18:40.540 I'm just looking for something that-

00:18:42.900 Get the new living translation.

00:18:44.280 That's like, that's like just plain English.

00:18:45.840 Well, I have to do something because the V and now is-

00:18:48.060 No, no, do that.

00:18:49.080 We've right, I have one here.

00:18:50.020 I'll get you one.

00:18:50.520 Oh, sick.

00:18:51.140 That's awesome.

00:18:51.780 No, the NLT is just like, it's like plain English.

00:18:54.280 Okay.

00:18:54.900 So, so back to you.

00:18:56.200 You're reading, you're reading the Bible now.

00:18:57.980 You've got to simplify one.

00:18:58.560 This is definitely the truth.

00:18:59.960 Okay.

00:19:00.340 I don't know what to do with this, but like this, this book is definitely the truth.

00:19:04.460 So I'm like 19, I live in Cali and I live in like a basement.

00:19:07.260 And you're eating food from dumpsters.

00:19:09.140 No.

00:19:09.400 Not at that time.

00:19:10.140 No, there was a previous time period.

00:19:11.560 It was a little sketch, but so I'm reading it, but I'm like, I'm reading like a lot.

00:19:17.660 Like I'm rushing home from work to read it.

00:19:20.200 And finally I was like, dude, I'm not ready to live like this.

00:19:24.520 And I'm not going to, like, it never crossed my mind.

00:19:26.500 You could just say you're a Christian and go to church one day a week.

00:19:28.860 Like that, that never crossed my mind.

00:19:30.320 I was like, dude, whenever you do this, like whatever this is, like, this is your whole life.

00:19:34.580 Like there's no half-assing this.

00:19:35.960 Like, like this becomes everything about you.

00:19:38.200 And I was like, I'm just not ready for that.

00:19:40.320 Like I still want to party and do crazy stuff.

00:19:43.560 And then my life went terrible for like eight years.

00:19:47.900 Like the world just beat the crap out of me for like eight years.

00:19:50.320 But there was some adventures and some rad stuff.

00:19:52.320 And I feel like the Lord guided it and instructed it and like put everything in place.

00:19:56.260 Even though it was like pain and misery and suffering for me on that journey.

00:19:59.560 Like he, he hooked me up with my wife during that time.

00:20:02.540 So, uh, yeah, I left Cali.

00:20:05.340 I lived in Texas for a little bit.

00:20:06.660 Then I moved to Florida.

00:20:07.480 And then, uh, so it was like eight years later.

00:20:10.380 Then I was like just beating my head against the wall and was like, dude, I cannot keep pretending.

00:20:14.980 Like, I don't know.

00:20:16.340 Like the only time I was getting the Bible, I was if I was super high, like super high and just like partying.

00:20:20.080 Then I would like, if everybody be like gigging and stuff, talking, I would just be like drawn to go read the scripture.

00:20:25.840 I know that's bad theology or whatever.

00:20:27.320 I'm just being honest.

00:20:28.020 Like I would just go find a Bible and be like, yo, this is crazy.

00:20:31.420 That's hard though, because I'm not going to suggest it to the audience because I've gotten a lot of flack for, uh, I don't know.

00:20:37.860 They're like, oh, like you're against mushrooms.

00:20:39.700 I'm like, I'm not, it's not that I'm against this or that.

00:20:42.700 Like, I understand what it is.

00:20:43.860 It's you're peeling away the veil.

00:20:45.600 I just don't know where the, like the audience is at mentally.

00:20:48.380 I don't know where they're at even geographically.

00:20:50.100 I feel like geographically, like you can peel back that veil and there can be something there.

00:20:54.060 And you're going to have around and find out though, dude, there's people that like, they're messing around with hallucinogens.

00:20:59.140 Like the dude, Graham Hancock, I love him.

00:21:01.100 God bless him.

00:21:01.680 I'm super grateful for all his research and stuff.

00:21:03.760 But he started effing around with the hallucinogens and ended up having seizures and stuff.

00:21:07.560 And I don't, they, I know they don't connect it.

00:21:09.300 They don't, they won't say that's what it's from.

00:21:11.100 Well, like you can get in the spirit realm illegally.

00:21:13.300 Like that's like, like, like that's what everybody in Canaan was doing before Israel came out of Egypt and went into Canaan.

00:21:19.020 They were all like witchcraft, sorcery.

00:21:21.240 They had, uh, they were just messing around with the occult and they're getting into the spirit realm.

00:21:26.560 You think you were, you were entering in the spirit realm, like as, as like partying and then you were just drawn to the Bible.

00:21:32.620 Is that what you were doing?

00:21:35.260 I never really thought about it.

00:21:36.560 I just was like, maybe though.

00:21:39.840 Did you, and once again, it's not like we're advocating for this, but did you find that there was a different interpretation at play when you were under the influence of something and then were reading the Bible?

00:21:49.620 Did you feel like you were gaining a different type of access or understanding?

00:21:53.520 No, no.

00:21:53.980 I just think I was like tripping and barking.

00:21:57.420 That's what he was like.

00:21:58.380 You know, he was like having to read the Bible.

00:22:00.160 Oh my God, these conversations aren't that meaningful.

00:22:02.400 Like, what are we talking about?

00:22:03.080 The football games?

00:22:04.020 Yeah.

00:22:04.400 And then my brain would just be like, yo, dude.

00:22:06.560 Yeah.

00:22:06.760 Gotta get that.

00:22:07.340 I would just, I would just go to it.

00:22:09.080 I mean.

00:22:10.640 So, yeah, it's like so stupid hearing myself saying that.

00:22:13.600 Well, I mean, that's.

00:22:14.400 That's just what was going on, but no, I'm not advocating in any way for mind-altering substances.

00:22:20.200 Mood-altering, that's great.

00:22:22.220 You know, like, like whatever.

00:22:23.480 That's part of life.

00:22:24.240 But mind-altering stuff is like, yeah, my coffee's good.

00:22:27.040 A little alcohol moderation, maybe a little nicotine.

00:22:30.080 I know that's super offensive for a lot of churchgoers, but just like lion's mane, mushroom, cordyceps.

00:22:34.780 There's like good stuff in the earth, man.

00:22:36.380 It's whatever.

00:22:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:22:37.500 I think it's the point of getting to the extent where you are fitting that bill.

00:22:42.060 Well, you talk about entering the spirit realm illegally.

00:22:45.880 Yeah.

00:22:46.380 That's a whole different ballpark.

00:22:48.680 I like that concept.

00:22:49.660 That is an interesting concept.

00:22:50.860 Yeah, I've not heard it talked about that way.

00:22:53.180 But I mean, like I said, I'm not advocating.

00:22:55.580 Well, that's what all that stuff is.

00:22:56.880 I don't mean to cut you off.

00:22:57.740 No, go ahead.

00:22:57.900 But like the Disney movies, you know, like church people do like Disney movies and stuff.

00:23:01.260 The Magic Kingdom.

00:23:02.200 Yeah.

00:23:02.500 Like the Magic Kingdom is full of this stuff with like the crystal ball.

00:23:05.560 There's like the divining in the cup where they look in the cup.

00:23:08.820 Like Joseph referenced that with his brothers when he put the cup in Benjamin's sack.

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00:23:55.400 Hashtag make a play.

00:23:56.900 Like that's steep.

00:23:59.520 The cult is steep.

00:24:00.220 I was watching the King Arthur.

00:24:02.620 Wait a second.

00:24:03.280 Hold on.

00:24:03.680 Joseph.

00:24:03.980 You're saying Joseph.

00:24:05.680 Joseph.

00:24:06.220 Was divining.

00:24:07.160 Well, that's what he said.

00:24:08.340 I don't know.

00:24:08.880 This is a trippy thought, though.

00:24:10.080 Like that's what he's talking about.

00:24:11.740 Yeah.

00:24:11.880 Like, you know the story, right?

00:24:13.240 Like they come in, then he reveals himself to his brothers.

00:24:15.600 Then he hides the cup in Benjamin's sack, right?

00:24:18.920 And then his servant chases him down and says, bro, you stole my master's cup?

00:24:24.980 And then they bring him back.

00:24:26.080 And that's what Joseph says to him.

00:24:27.280 He says, you didn't know that's the cup I divined with?

00:24:29.480 So was he tinkering in Egyptian stuff?

00:24:33.180 I don't know.

00:24:34.040 He was in Egypt at the time, right?

00:24:35.240 So yeah.

00:24:35.900 That is super interesting.

00:24:37.180 And then it's like, see, this is what we've discovered.

00:24:39.680 But they had like idols and stuff, too.

00:24:41.180 There was times where like, was it Jacob had to tell his whole family, like, get rid of

00:24:46.840 all your idols?

00:24:47.560 You're like, bro, why do they have any idols?

00:24:49.280 Yeah.

00:24:50.640 Well, I mean.

00:24:51.620 I mean, that's the whole context of the Old Testament.

00:24:53.560 Like Elijah has the Mount Carmel showdown, right?

00:24:55.900 He says, everybody meet at Mount Carmel.

00:24:57.700 We're going to find out who's God.

00:24:58.680 You guys could worship God or you could worship Baal, but it ain't going to be both.

00:25:02.060 I don't know that.

00:25:03.020 That's gangster, bro.

00:25:04.200 I don't think we have it on the wall, but we should, because it's like, he says, all

00:25:07.200 right, you guys, you, there's 850 false prophets.

00:25:10.680 There's like 400 prophets of Baal and 450 prophets of the grove.

00:25:13.740 And then there's one like legit prophet.

00:25:16.020 He says, all right, you guys put a sacrifice together.

00:25:19.060 Do what you do to your gods, your lowercase g gods.

00:25:23.340 You try to bring a fire from heaven.

00:25:25.360 And then I'll set one up.

00:25:26.340 If it's just me against you, 850, I'll set mine up.

00:25:29.540 And whoever's God answers, that's the real God.

00:25:31.740 Yeah.

00:25:31.880 And they're like burning.

00:25:32.720 And then he's mocking them.

00:25:33.540 He's like, they must be sleeping.

00:25:34.560 Yeah.

00:25:35.160 Oh, and then he kills all of them.

00:25:38.400 And then he kills them all.

00:25:39.920 It was wild.

00:25:40.840 I'm saying like, people aren't ready for what the Bible said.

00:25:43.400 Yeah.

00:25:43.780 Yeah.

00:25:44.080 Yeah.

00:25:44.260 Yeah.

00:25:44.580 It's not like the Bible is not a story full, like kind of feminine dudes with like ripped

00:25:48.660 jeans that they didn't buy at the, they bought them at the store.

00:25:52.380 Yeah.

00:25:52.700 Yeah.

00:25:52.880 Yeah.

00:25:53.180 Yeah.

00:25:53.320 Like break them in the field.

00:25:54.580 They bought them like that.

00:25:55.520 Well, that's a lot of, so in, in, in Western culture, we have that, right?

00:25:58.740 We have this really watered down version of Christianity.

00:26:01.240 And it's easily mocked, which happens constantly, right?

00:26:04.660 It's not real.

00:26:05.440 Well, yeah.

00:26:05.820 When you straw man it, that straw man is, is deserving of mockery.

00:26:09.260 And, and so I have so many people in my life where, you know, I have a cousin, for example,

00:26:14.660 I love him to death.

00:26:15.660 And if I talk about the church, he'll go, oh, well, I went like, you know, a couple of

00:26:20.300 times and that's just not for me.

00:26:21.780 So he went a couple of times when he was a kid and that was enough for him to decide

00:26:25.140 that the whole thing wasn't for him, but he's not making that decision based off

00:26:28.160 of even his own experience.

00:26:29.180 He's making that decision based off of the culture of, of America that ridicules it

00:26:34.160 and mocks it and cast it away.

00:26:35.680 And then there's kind of a coolness in aligning yourself with that ideology.

00:26:39.880 I think it's a good point here.

00:26:41.260 I told you this show is dog shit.

00:26:45.680 We never get to the point of what we're doing, but we've had a couple of discussions about

00:26:50.540 the church, the modern day church.

00:26:51.820 And you were like, ah, the 501c3 stuff.

00:26:54.280 I don't know.

00:26:54.620 And I, I was, I agree with you, but I'm, I'm kind of like rediscovering it.

00:26:58.420 But what is church in your opinion?

00:27:01.000 Because I came back here the other day and I got like interviewed by someone in a Zorro

00:27:04.920 mask, but they were wild.

00:27:06.920 He put a mask on.

00:27:07.980 I was like, go back there to the bathroom.

00:27:10.420 He came out of the bathroom and she's like, are you, are you the last one?

00:27:14.040 She put on a Zorro mask.

00:27:15.080 I was like, I don't know what's going on.

00:27:16.880 Go ahead, do it, lady.

00:27:18.460 Yeah.

00:27:18.660 I gave her the most schizophrenic interview ever.

00:27:20.580 It's like, she's never going to post it.

00:27:21.740 But there were, there were people over maybe like six or seven people and they were doing

00:27:25.640 church, doing church, like Bible study church.

00:27:28.380 Yeah.

00:27:28.840 And then there's another guy back there that plays like in, you know, professional

00:27:32.180 basketball, also doing church.

00:27:33.680 CJ, that's my guy.

00:27:34.740 Yeah.

00:27:34.920 Yeah.

00:27:35.100 So I'm like, this is just wild.

00:27:36.940 Like, so it really.

00:27:38.220 Imagine that.

00:27:38.920 It's like every day.

00:27:40.120 Yeah.

00:27:40.540 Like they gather daily in the book of Acts.

00:27:42.700 It doesn't say they met like one day a week.

00:27:44.520 Right.

00:27:44.840 And put on a show, which I'm not against the show.

00:27:47.060 Like if you want to get together and put on a show and call that like fellowship or the

00:27:50.480 assembly, like whatever to each his own, there's freedom.

00:27:53.440 There's freedom in the body of Christ.

00:27:54.480 What don't you like about it?

00:27:55.820 It's just intrigued.

00:27:56.560 I don't like systems, bro.

00:27:57.680 I don't like the Catholic system.

00:27:59.540 And I don't like the modern Bible.

00:28:01.460 One C three church system.

00:28:02.620 Yeah.

00:28:02.780 Like the same way, like you probably look at a Catholic church.

00:28:04.860 You go, bro, I don't, this creature called the Pope.

00:28:06.680 Like, bro, what?

00:28:07.580 This creature called the Pope.

00:28:08.720 Yeah.

00:28:09.100 Line of Peter.

00:28:09.860 Peter had a wife.

00:28:10.700 Like, what are you talking about?

00:28:11.520 You guys will let people kiss your hand.

00:28:13.200 But when Peter went in Cornelius house and Cornelius bowed to me, he said, bro, no, no,

00:28:16.560 no, we don't do that.

00:28:17.940 But you have the audacity and say you come from the line of Peter and you're just like

00:28:21.500 the Vatican.

00:28:23.020 Like you guys have your own niche.

00:28:24.260 You're golden throne.

00:28:25.960 Anybody in the universe.

00:28:27.240 And you have Saint this and Saint that you're worshiping Mary.

00:28:30.680 Like, okay.

00:28:31.520 So the 501 C three system like got rid of all that, like heinous idolatry.

00:28:36.480 Right.

00:28:36.640 But it's still a very similar system.

00:28:38.360 It's not a mass.

00:28:39.220 The show is different.

00:28:40.080 It's like a different show.

00:28:42.220 Well, like we've been given a structure, bro.

00:28:44.760 So like in John 17, you know, Jesus is praying.

00:28:47.060 He's saying, Father, I pray for the unity of the church the same way me and you are one.

00:28:50.620 Am I talking too fast?

00:28:51.900 No.

00:28:52.320 You're crushing.

00:28:53.040 Go ahead.

00:28:53.400 Don't worry about that.

00:28:53.940 The same way we are one.

00:28:55.020 I pray that the church would be one.

00:28:56.480 Right.

00:28:56.800 Then he doesn't just pray that.

00:28:58.480 He institutes.

00:28:59.660 He puts in an infrastructure.

00:29:01.140 It spells it out in Ephesians 4.

00:29:02.740 Probably in another spot, too.

00:29:05.260 But he says that he put in apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and teachers.

00:29:08.960 And then it gives the for what it's for and the until.

00:29:12.700 And the until is until the unity of the body.

00:29:15.140 So here he's praying for the unity of the body.

00:29:18.060 Here he puts an infrastructure in place for the unity of the body.

00:29:21.220 And here we are 2,000 years later.

00:29:23.460 We've like got removed that.

00:29:25.540 Right.

00:29:25.840 And we just have like a CEO that we call a pastor.

00:29:28.280 You can have like a talking pastor, a singing pastor, a youth pastor.

00:29:31.340 Depending on what denomination you can have, like a deliverance pastor, like a ministry pastor, like whatever.

00:29:37.740 But we've just completely forsaken this model.

00:29:40.380 And then and then and we have complete Bible ignorance in the land, bro.

00:29:44.120 Like there's complete Bible ignorance in the church.

00:29:47.240 Like I know it because I live it and talk Bible with people like all day, every day.

00:29:51.460 There's just complete Bible ignorance.

00:29:52.820 And so how does your another side question, how did you establish this place as like this kind of like Christian beacon?

00:30:02.180 Because when you walk in, it's like standard coffee shop, coffee tables.

00:30:07.460 And even like the pictures aren't overtly like there's nothing really giving me any signs besides like the people who were like performing here.

00:30:15.560 I when I first came in performing performing.

00:30:18.580 Well, the fire spinners and the fire spinners.

00:30:20.880 The jugglers, the jugglers, the guys that swallow the sword.

00:30:24.560 I'm sorry.

00:30:25.300 The people, you know, that the lady from the Hebrew Israelite.

00:30:30.500 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:30:31.000 Anybody doing like a Bible study or teaching back here?

00:30:33.360 There's a black dude.

00:30:34.480 Yeah.

00:30:35.620 Yeah.

00:30:36.680 Yeah.

00:30:36.840 That's my guy, Larry Bird.

00:30:37.960 Yeah.

00:30:38.300 So I saw that front is not like Christian coffee shop.

00:30:43.480 It's a coffee shop.

00:30:44.200 It's a standard coffee shop.

00:30:46.120 The people that you're attracting that come here because there's like I mean, there's constant people always coming in here.

00:30:50.420 Like these guys, all the humans drink coffee, bro.

00:30:52.640 So it's like all all from like all walks of life.

00:30:55.100 Yeah.

00:30:55.460 Yeah.

00:30:56.360 But yeah, they make their way to the back.

00:30:58.300 But like what happens?

00:30:59.680 You ever have anybody come back here and go, oh, yeah.

00:31:02.020 Yeah.

00:31:02.600 On fire.

00:31:03.560 What happened?

00:31:04.080 What would do they do?

00:31:05.140 They say anything or you just pick up the body.

00:31:06.820 They're suspended or they're like, you should make this for all religions.

00:31:09.800 They've said that before.

00:31:10.940 Yeah.

00:31:11.280 That's a crazy thing.

00:31:12.480 I've had the craziest conversation.

00:31:14.160 You go, why would I do that?

00:31:15.000 You guys are worshiping the foley.

00:31:16.900 Did you say that at all?

00:31:18.540 You guys are sacrificing.

00:31:19.100 I had some people.

00:31:20.500 I had a lady one time.

00:31:22.300 They were doing a group back here and I liked them because they were like they knew what was up during 2020.

00:31:26.620 And so they were like doing their thing back here and they knew what was going on.

00:31:30.820 And then they were like, hey, we want to set up another group one day.

00:31:35.060 I forget, like Fridays at 10.

00:31:37.120 And I said, yeah, what do you guys want to do it for this?

00:31:38.860 We're going to do meditation.

00:31:40.000 And I said, like, what kind of meditation?

00:31:41.780 It's like, are you in deep thought or are you trying to channel what's happening?

00:31:47.160 They were like, we're going to do meditation.

00:31:51.240 I said, yeah, yeah.

00:31:51.600 But like Eastern meditation where you just open up your spirit.

00:31:54.380 Are you talking about that?

00:31:54.900 Yeah, you're like emptying your vessel so that something else comes into your vessel, dog.

00:31:58.280 Precisely what I was saying to her.

00:31:59.440 Okay, yeah.

00:32:00.220 And she goes, yeah, we're opening up.

00:32:01.900 We're channeling.

00:32:02.920 What are you channeling?

00:32:03.680 We're channeling.

00:32:04.120 That's what I said.

00:32:04.640 I said, because we believe that that's how, if you open up your spirit to anything, anything will come in.

00:32:08.980 You've got to channel the Holy Spirit, dog.

00:32:10.240 And entities will come in.

00:32:11.480 Yeah.

00:32:11.780 Yeah.

00:32:12.280 And she goes, what do you mean entities?

00:32:16.080 Demons.

00:32:16.820 What are you channeling then?

00:32:17.900 If you don't call them entities, we're doing semantics here.

00:32:20.560 Yeah.

00:32:20.820 What do you channel?

00:32:21.680 The Elohim.

00:32:22.360 Yeah.

00:32:22.800 Yeah.

00:32:22.920 I said, yeah.

00:32:23.560 Ascended Atlantean masters.

00:32:25.120 She was this, bro.

00:32:26.220 She was a straight Karen, too.

00:32:27.400 And she was like, we're not summoning demons.

00:32:29.360 We're channeling light.

00:32:30.520 And then I almost said that Lucifer, you know, disguised himself.

00:32:33.920 And then I was like, let's just end it here.

00:32:35.680 Yeah.

00:32:35.920 I was like, yeah, no.

00:32:36.520 Yeah, you're not channeling light beings into my coffee shop.

00:32:39.380 Well, then, like, that group, they still were doing their normal group where they were just talking about the craziness that was happening.

00:32:43.940 You would think, like, maybe they were, like, channeling women, you know.

00:32:46.220 No, ultimately, we had to throw them out, though.

00:32:48.200 Yeah.

00:32:48.380 We had to throw them out.

00:32:48.800 How did that go?

00:32:50.100 Not great.

00:32:50.860 They, like, held a grudge.

00:32:52.180 And I was like, I was like, yo, I don't care.

00:32:54.560 Like, you're going to lose all this money.

00:32:55.780 I'm like, I don't care.

00:32:56.740 Yeah.

00:32:57.080 I don't know if you saw my Christian library.

00:33:00.000 It's not that money, dog.

00:33:01.440 It's not something else.

00:33:02.120 Yeah.

00:33:02.740 That's fun.

00:33:03.620 Yeah.

00:33:03.840 No, we've had wild conversations at the front, bro.

00:33:06.260 Yeah.

00:33:06.500 Because 2020, we didn't play the game at all.

00:33:08.560 Well, you know what you're doing here is, and you know what you're doing, you're engaging in spiritual warfare.

00:33:13.680 Yeah.

00:33:13.960 Right?

00:33:14.280 By picking this up and holding it up and doing anything to support this, what you've got in the back here, you're engaging in spiritual warfare.

00:33:22.600 And, you know, you're a public, people are coming here, they're spending money.

00:33:28.320 All kinds of characters are coming in here.

00:33:29.900 There's people pitted against you.

00:33:31.740 They're waging warfare against you.

00:33:33.020 Yeah, but I'm not sweating it.

00:33:33.960 Like, ultimately, I'm with the Lord.

00:33:35.280 I'm just like, I'm on borrowed time to begin with.

00:33:38.780 You come in the world with nothing, you're definitely leaving with nothing.

00:33:41.440 Like, when I was born, I was just like this naked, bloody little baby.

00:33:44.420 Yeah.

00:33:44.880 Not me, dude.

00:33:47.140 Full suit.

00:33:48.000 I didn't have anything, bro.

00:33:50.260 So I had nothing.

00:33:51.240 It's like, I'm not going to accumulate anything while I'm here anyway.

00:33:53.380 So, like, if I get taken out, it's whatever.

00:33:56.240 But, like, but if I'm with the Lord and, like, let's say he wants to grab real ones, what's their options right now?

00:34:02.180 Like, you get a Bible, you're like, yo, I know this is real.

00:34:04.380 Then you go to the local 501c3.

00:34:06.340 How long until you're frozen out of there, bro?

00:34:08.460 You just freeze to death.

00:34:09.680 You just kind of like.

00:34:10.720 Yeah.

00:34:11.100 You're like, oh, and I'm not bashing the system.

00:34:13.300 I'm not bashing.

00:34:13.920 No, it's good for somebody.

00:34:14.700 I'm absolutely not bashing, like, people or even, like, there's pastors and people are trying who I love.

00:34:21.060 I love with all my heart.

00:34:22.240 Yeah.

00:34:22.540 And they're doing, I'm just saying that system as a whole is not producing the goods.

00:34:27.140 And I'm like, yo, if it's not producing the goods, let's acknowledge that.

00:34:30.480 Like, if that system was producing the goods.

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00:35:14.640 Like, if it was producing mature disciples, mature people who are, like, craving the word of God,

00:35:21.020 reading the word of God every day, I'd shut my mouth.

00:35:22.960 I'd be like, well, maybe everything changed.

00:35:24.900 Maybe it's not according to the structure that Jesus put in place 2,000 years ago.

00:35:28.440 Maybe it's okay to switch it to a franchise business model in America.

00:35:31.980 That's the problem.

00:35:33.020 It's the idea of scale, I think.

00:35:34.860 Like, you'll have a, I don't know, let's say you have a standard coffee shop.

00:35:38.040 You have more people?

00:35:39.380 Well, if you, or you've got two of these, right, here in Brownwood?

00:35:42.860 Like, you're always plugging us, dude.

00:35:44.580 Like, I'm loving that.

00:35:45.200 I'm just saying, come and drink some damn coffee.

00:35:46.600 But if you scale this up and then you had 100,000 locations, you're not going to, number

00:35:51.880 one, you're not going to get this kind of conversation.

00:35:53.560 You're not going to get this quality of library.

00:35:55.060 You're not even going to get the same quality of coffee because now you're just spread so thin.

00:35:58.820 And the church is like that.

00:36:00.600 It's like every strip mall has got a church.

00:36:02.880 And you start to wonder, like, damn, who's, like, who's, like, leading this place?

00:36:07.480 How could you get a good, you know, good leadership in every single one of these camps?

00:36:12.320 You know, I kind of look at it as, I look at it as opportunity, though.

00:36:14.680 It's just like, so you have this place that they're calling God's house and the idea is

00:36:17.980 to further the kingdom as far as they can.

00:36:19.700 I used to not feel this way.

00:36:20.920 I'm feeling like this recently where it's like, when I step in there, there's opportunity

00:36:25.520 to meet somebody, to develop a kinship with somebody, to develop community with somebody.

00:36:30.560 I have access to the Bible.

00:36:32.500 I can go home and read it as long as I get these demons out of my head and I start getting

00:36:34.840 nauseous.

00:36:36.060 I can read it myself, right?

00:36:37.680 So I have access to the Word of God.

00:36:40.220 I can do all that myself.

00:36:41.600 But this place facilitates something that's different.

00:36:44.720 And I could look at all of the negative aspects of it, which I have historically.

00:36:49.140 I've done that.

00:36:50.300 And I could push it to the side and go, not for me because of X, Y, and Z.

00:36:53.260 Or I could go there and I could look at my son mingling with these kids who I know

00:36:57.880 have a foundation in Christ.

00:36:59.040 And I could look at my wife talking to people who I know have a foundation in Christ.

00:37:02.960 And I can go, okay, different opportunities for kinship are opening up here.

00:37:06.860 But you could also look at a lady with pitch black hair.

00:37:09.480 I looked at that lady.

00:37:10.300 She's probably a witch.

00:37:11.180 She could be a witch.

00:37:11.660 She keeps giving me ceramic dolls.

00:37:13.360 Yeah.

00:37:13.600 And I don't know why.

00:37:14.460 Is that a real thing?

00:37:15.460 I'm stronger than her.

00:37:16.220 I could mess her up, man.

00:37:17.400 No.

00:37:17.640 So I think one of the differences that we're kind of like keying in on, you're like, yo,

00:37:21.360 what's going on in here?

00:37:23.020 Is this like a very real place, right?

00:37:24.920 There's a weird thing.

00:37:26.200 I'm not blaming anybody.

00:37:27.060 I'm just saying there's a weird thing when you go in to watch the show on Sunday.

00:37:30.340 People start to have a different tone of voice.

00:37:32.520 Yeah.

00:37:32.780 They start to use different words.

00:37:34.400 Yeah.

00:37:34.520 Like, you just seen that dude on the job site earlier in the week.

00:37:37.300 Yeah.

00:37:37.520 And now he's like, hey, brother, holy, holy, holy, you know, be blessed.

00:37:40.680 You're like, bro, you don't talk like that.

00:37:42.100 I've just seen you on the job.

00:37:43.180 You don't talk like that.

00:37:44.080 This is why I don't fit there.

00:37:45.180 This is why I got kicked out because I'm like, I can't be anything else but like me.

00:37:50.520 I'm a bad person.

00:37:51.280 That's why I want to go there and I want to be quiet.

00:37:53.820 Like, I don't want to go and mingle because I can't, I don't have a, like a switch.

00:37:58.160 I can't switch modes.

00:37:59.220 Right.

00:37:59.740 Right.

00:37:59.980 So I'm going to be exactly who I am at this table with you as I am going to be in there,

00:38:03.580 as I am going to be on my show.

00:38:04.640 That's what I'm saying.

00:38:04.960 But to me, I go, all right, I'll go in there once a week.

00:38:10.340 It acts as a recalibrator, it seems.

00:38:13.420 Sure.

00:38:13.680 So if I, if I start to, you know, move away too much, which I have a, you know, tendency,

00:38:17.980 I think we all do.

00:38:18.680 We'll fly off the handle.

00:38:19.480 Like if it's just me and him, if you watch some of the episodes, just me and him.

00:38:23.280 Oh, it's crazy.

00:38:24.120 It's crazy.

00:38:24.640 Trust me.

00:38:25.080 No, we watch.

00:38:25.980 He's like, are you sure you're going to go home with these guys?

00:38:29.540 I was like.

00:38:30.540 Well, we have, you know, so, so I have that tendency.

00:38:34.160 I'll drift away.

00:38:35.780 This acts as a recalibrator once a week.

00:38:37.500 So that's kind of cool.

00:38:39.040 But since I am the way that I am, I don't, I don't really like the part where we all like,

00:38:44.960 you know, get together and do the like peace be with you and stuff like that.

00:38:48.460 I'm just there.

00:38:49.220 I'm reading the scripture.

00:38:50.400 I'm taking in the sermon.

00:38:51.420 Like they've been doing a lot about humility, humility at the church.

00:38:54.620 That's great.

00:38:55.020 I'm like, that's a banger.

00:38:55.980 So they're reading scripture that talks about how Jesus came as a servant and, you know,

00:39:00.180 all these different things.

00:39:00.920 So that's all wonderful stuff.

00:39:02.160 And that's cool.

00:39:03.000 That's a little recalibrator I get once a week.

00:39:04.940 So, you know, I think if you go there, yeah, it's a weird balance.

00:39:09.120 But if you think you're going to go there and the work is done, like that's crazy.

00:39:13.380 There you go.

00:39:14.080 That's crazy.

00:39:14.460 Just like the kids that go to camp.

00:39:15.700 Like we have, we have a Bible study on Fridays with the kids.

00:39:18.340 That's cool.

00:39:18.900 They're like, but they're like going to camp, right?

00:39:20.560 Everybody's on fire.

00:39:21.260 And I'm just trying to say, fellas, fellas, like history is just strung with tons of people

00:39:26.280 who have gone to camp and been on fire for God for a week, for a month, for six months.

00:39:30.540 Like I'm not knocking camp, just like I'm not knocking church.

00:39:33.160 I'm just saying that ain't enough.

00:39:34.720 It's constant maintenance.

00:39:35.860 If you don't cultivate relationship with God through the word of God, because whether we

00:39:40.500 like it or not, that's how he chose to do it.

00:39:42.120 He's like, yo, there's a messaging system from the unseen realm.

00:39:45.260 Here it is.

00:39:45.900 Yeah.

00:39:46.460 You're not going to get at me some other way.

00:39:48.100 Like, that's what he's saying.

00:39:49.340 He's like, I don't even owe you this.

00:39:50.860 I don't owe you this Bible.

00:39:52.160 But if you want to communicate with me in the unseen realm, here's how you do it.

00:39:55.240 Here's how you get to know me.

00:39:56.700 And so like, that's the core of everything in the universe.

00:39:59.400 That's the core of everything in my life.

00:40:01.560 That's the core of like every Christian life should be the word of God and understanding

00:40:05.940 the word of God.

00:40:06.860 If you go watch the show on Sunday too, that's great.

00:40:09.080 That's great.

00:40:09.460 But I don't think God's going to be like, yo, let me see the roll call from how many times did

00:40:12.600 you go?

00:40:13.340 Yo, how much time did you spend in the word, dude?

00:40:15.540 I'm excited you in specifically in the word to spend time with me.

00:40:18.980 Like I'm in the word to cultivate intimacy with God.

00:40:21.600 I'm not in the word to like win debates and get my doctrine right and have flawless theology.

00:40:26.860 That's like, I'm not even really too into the whole Christian debate or biblical debates.

00:40:30.880 And there's like, I'm not, it's not yet.

00:40:32.740 What do you say then to people who go like the Bible?

00:40:35.320 What about the Scofield Bible, Council of Nicaea?

00:40:37.900 What do you, what about all these things?

00:40:39.160 What about the translations and from Hebrew to this to that?

00:40:41.560 It couldn't be.

00:40:42.300 So Scofield.

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00:41:09.560 It's a commentary.

00:41:12.940 Right.

00:41:13.320 It's a commentary.

00:41:13.640 We actually just did an episode on that.

00:41:14.860 I was completely ignorant to it previously.

00:41:16.760 Now I understand a little bit.

00:41:17.760 Yeah.

00:41:17.980 But there's even like, you know, the pendulum swings.

00:41:20.100 It's just like the church is just like Republicans and Democrats too.

00:41:22.720 It's like, it's, it thinks, dude, this is what's an issue too.

00:41:25.020 It's like the exact same spirit in the world is in the church.

00:41:28.200 Right?

00:41:28.500 Like, I forget who it was.

00:41:30.320 It said a ship in the sea is all right, but the sea and the ship is all wrong.

00:41:33.440 Like the church is supposed to be in the world.

00:41:35.000 The world's not supposed to be in the church, but it clearly is.

00:41:37.820 Right.

00:41:38.040 And so you get like these massive swings, like Schofield wrote this and he did this and

00:41:42.020 that.

00:41:42.940 What is, like, what's the thing with him?

00:41:44.320 Like the Rothschilds was his buddy or something.

00:41:46.420 Potentially.

00:41:46.880 He had this like super pro Israel bent or something like that.

00:41:49.900 He's a commentator.

00:41:51.020 Right.

00:41:51.380 Right.

00:41:51.560 Do you know what the commentators were called in Jesus day?

00:41:54.720 Scribes.

00:41:55.480 Oh, right.

00:41:55.860 That's who crucified him.

00:41:56.780 So just keep, just keep that in mind.

00:41:57.940 Like the commentators of Jesus day crucified.

00:42:00.940 It's like, that's great.

00:42:01.720 Some dude commentates on the Bible, but John, uh, what is it?

00:42:05.440 1426, the Holy spirit will teach us all things.

00:42:08.680 So it's a little disrespectful to begin with.

00:42:11.100 If you're, which I read commentaries, don't get me wrong, but I don't read the Bible, get

00:42:14.740 hung up on a passage and go see what the commentator says about it.

00:42:17.720 Right.

00:42:18.000 I asked the Holy spirit to explain it to me.

00:42:20.100 I like it for commentator.

00:42:21.160 Like we talked to a guy named, uh, Ed May read.

00:42:23.420 Ed does a lot of speculating.

00:42:25.360 You guys got wide open on it when you had him on though.

00:42:27.480 It was like wide open.

00:42:28.680 He just tells you like, you know, this is, I'm speculating here.

00:42:31.720 I'm not, this isn't his, his word is not like the end all be all kind of deal at all.

00:42:36.360 And so I don't think we're not allowed to imagine what they're trying to express by this

00:42:41.400 or that, or if there's a meeting that is going over our heads, maybe there's something else

00:42:44.800 there.

00:42:45.000 But when you start to make it the, I don't know, like maybe Scofield goes wrong because

00:42:51.160 it then becomes the standard, you know, for everybody to, to, yeah.

00:42:54.960 Which like, whatever, like it's a comment.

00:42:56.720 But that's an option.

00:42:57.820 Yeah.

00:42:58.320 You don't have to choose that.

00:42:59.300 I don't know.

00:42:59.840 And I never read his commentary, but like, whatever.

00:43:03.100 I'm sure he says some stuff I agree with him.

00:43:04.560 Some stuff I don't agree.

00:43:05.460 Isn't that everybody though?

00:43:06.320 Yeah.

00:43:06.480 He's a commentator.

00:43:07.200 Right, right, right, right.

00:43:08.000 So, uh, so there's that.

00:43:09.860 So like, I don't know if the argument is that like the church and America, the full 501

00:43:13.540 C3 system followed him.

00:43:15.060 Well, shame on them.

00:43:16.000 He's a commentator.

00:43:16.980 Like you guys should all know God and have your own commentary.

00:43:20.120 Right.

00:43:20.400 Well.

00:43:21.100 So, uh, but then like, what'd you say?

00:43:23.220 Like, I said, like, uh, so there's the Nicene council and then there's also the, the gripe

00:43:26.540 over the translations, Hebrew to Greek to English.

00:43:28.800 We have all the Hebrew and the Greek on blue letter Bible.

00:43:30.880 So like, and like any beef over the alley, you just go to the Hebrew and the Greek.

00:43:34.900 You know what I'm saying?

00:43:35.860 Yeah.

00:43:36.040 I think, well, let me ask you this.

00:43:39.680 How do you get to the point where you go, I'm convicted in this and I'm going to start

00:43:45.600 a brick and mortar establishment that has this physical library in the back and coffee in

00:43:50.400 the front.

00:43:50.700 I mean, that's a, that's a, it's one thing to say, because we have this conversation

00:43:54.180 recently where we're like, what if we did a coffee shop and in the back was our studios?

00:43:58.440 And it's a pretty cool idea, but it's another step to then be convicted and go, all right,

00:44:02.460 start throwing up the paperwork.

00:44:04.060 Yeah.

00:44:04.300 Let's get this done.

00:44:05.000 Okay.

00:44:05.520 So this is probably a big topic too.

00:44:06.920 So when I was 19, I remember I told you to start reading the Bible when I was 19, I knew

00:44:10.440 it was real.

00:44:12.380 I was like, yo, this is like the never ending story.

00:44:14.700 Remember the never ending story?

00:44:15.540 I was like a real thing while he was reading.

00:44:17.400 I was like, yo, it's like this dude, like this story is still going on.

00:44:20.540 Like this is not, it's not like God was like, all right, there's the book of revelation.

00:44:23.720 That's all set.

00:44:24.500 I was like, this, this story is definitely still going.

00:44:26.500 Like all these dudes I'm reading about this stuff still happening on the planet.

00:44:29.340 It's funny when people say like biblical times, like this is biblical times.

00:44:32.000 This whole existence is biblical.

00:44:34.360 Yeah.

00:44:34.680 Amen.

00:44:35.240 And like, I want to be in the story.

00:44:36.860 So I was like, Lord, I want to be in the story.

00:44:38.520 Right.

00:44:39.440 But like I said, so from 19 to probably like 28 or whatever, I just wasn't about it.

00:44:44.760 But then when I picked the Bible back up again, I was like, I don't, I do not want to be on

00:44:48.840 the sidelines.

00:44:49.360 I've done so much for the force of darkness, like for the kingdom of darkness, I've done

00:44:53.180 so much evil on the planet.

00:44:55.120 I've got people into drugs that wouldn't have gotten into drugs if it wasn't for me.

00:44:58.540 And I just did so much chaos and badness for like that team.

00:45:01.920 And now that I'm off that team, I want to do something rad for the kingdom of God.

00:45:05.500 Right.

00:45:05.680 I was like, so just put me in the game.

00:45:07.640 Right.

00:45:07.880 So I start going to the 501c3 system and I'm like, this is cool.

00:45:11.020 This is a night show.

00:45:12.300 They let me like go to the youth camp and be like a youth leader.

00:45:14.860 That was fun.

00:45:15.620 And had its own set of like crazy stuff that happened to.

00:45:18.340 And then I'm just like, keep doing the show.

00:45:20.320 And I'm like, I don't know, dude, the show was like so unsatisfying.

00:45:23.740 Like, I don't know what's going on, man.

00:45:25.600 So then I start finding like Tozer.

00:45:28.920 I think Tozer was like the first book I read.

00:45:31.980 Tozer said something about Ravenhill.

00:45:34.140 Then I started reading Ravenhill.

00:45:35.260 He started talking about John Wesley.

00:45:36.680 John Wesley was referencing.

00:45:38.000 Who's Tozer?

00:45:38.580 Who's Ravenhill?

00:45:39.080 So, bro, you guys are still.

00:45:41.680 You got to deal with me when I always say that.

00:45:44.000 You know, it's just like a rad preacher, a prophetic preacher from like the.

00:45:49.480 He was around probably like the 50s was probably when he passed.

00:45:52.420 Okay.

00:45:53.640 Most of the legit dudes are gone now.

00:45:55.660 There's not a lot like if you like everything's in alphabetical order by the author's last name.

00:45:59.320 There's not really any people in here that are still alive today.

00:46:02.120 Just because like a lot of the stuff today does revolve around money.

00:46:05.360 You know, it's like shenanigans and money and just like regurgitated stuff.

00:46:08.900 It's kind of corny and like like very like self-help vibes.

00:46:12.820 Yeah, that's what Peterson did, right?

00:46:15.580 Jordan Peterson took the Bible and went straight self-help and then like removed all the spirituality.

00:46:21.720 That's where I got the name Top Lobster from.

00:46:23.180 Yeah, Jordan Peterson.

00:46:24.440 He was like.

00:46:25.340 Wait, what?

00:46:26.240 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:26.960 His first book, 12 Rules for Life.

00:46:29.860 It's called Top Lobster?

00:46:30.920 No, no, no.

00:46:31.660 You're not familiar with Jordan Peterson?

00:46:33.120 No, I know him, but I never look at him.

00:46:34.500 I'm just surprised because he became such an internet phenomenon.

00:46:37.240 He was using the Bible.

00:46:38.020 Yeah, I know who he is and I've heard his stuff where he's like saying how corrupt society

00:46:41.740 is and stuff like that, but I never look at him like he knows God or like knows the Bible.

00:46:45.920 No, he plays that game of like stepping in and out, but never quite pointing at what it

00:46:50.120 is.

00:46:50.540 Yeah.

00:46:50.700 He did a series about Jesus, but like he did it with a bunch of like.

00:46:53.940 Yeah, like as a historical figure?

00:46:55.900 No, more like a concept geared strictly towards self-help and psychology.

00:47:03.020 Yeah.

00:47:03.260 I would say that that was the, which is like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

00:47:05.940 So that's what people are writing about today to sell books because everybody's like, oh,

00:47:08.960 I want, I want self-help.

00:47:10.320 Whereas the Bible's like, there's only one solution for self death.

00:47:14.160 Yeah.

00:47:15.000 Execution like that, like that's God's solution for me, but I was like execution.

00:47:18.900 I'm not like a styrofoam cup that with holes in it and he'd like choose up gum and

00:47:23.380 like, like covers up the holes.

00:47:25.720 It's like, no, the old self has to die.

00:47:27.720 Yeah.

00:47:28.180 So all this stuff of like feeding self, like there's just like the dumbest thing.

00:47:32.020 One of the dumbest things in the 501c3 system today, they also like this book called like

00:47:36.360 the love languages.

00:47:37.200 There's like seven love languages.

00:47:38.960 And like, one of them is, uh, you guys don't know that book.

00:47:41.640 Dude, I've heard that expression though.

00:47:43.240 It's like my, my love language is this or my love language is that.

00:47:46.780 One of them is like, uh, what's the thing?

00:47:50.840 I asked this girl one time in the shop.

00:47:52.400 I was like, yo, when the girls post on Instagram and everybody, the comments are like stunning,

00:47:56.720 beautiful.

00:47:57.680 Yeah.

00:47:57.920 She, I said like, what is that?

00:48:02.120 And they go, they don't mean it.

00:48:03.080 They just do that so that you'll do it when you put, so they'll do it when you pose.

00:48:06.900 She goes, it's words of affirmation.

00:48:08.580 That's what she does.

00:48:09.220 That's a masturbation.

00:48:10.160 Wait, what?

00:48:10.740 I don't even like that.

00:48:11.640 Words of affirmation.

00:48:12.520 But that's like a thing of like, yeah, I want you to treat me this way.

00:48:15.520 It's like, that's not Christianity.

00:48:16.760 You know what it is?

00:48:17.460 They do that in itself.

00:48:18.460 I am this.

00:48:19.320 I am that.

00:48:20.000 So they'll wake up in the morning and go, I am, I am, I am, which is kind of weird.

00:48:23.060 Right.

00:48:23.580 And I just like, so much of it feels instinctively like I want to pull away from it.

00:48:27.800 I don't like that.

00:48:28.840 Correct.

00:48:29.200 No.

00:48:29.420 Yeah.

00:48:29.680 I don't know what that is.

00:48:30.420 Like you have to die to self.

00:48:31.720 You're going to be miserable the rest of your life.

00:48:33.280 Period.

00:48:33.720 And everybody can't figure that out.

00:48:35.200 That's what I'm like.

00:48:36.120 I'm like, I suck.

00:48:37.820 Like, that's my room.

00:48:39.180 Like, I wasn't going to say it, bro.

00:48:40.260 But I look at that and I go, I feel, I know it doesn't sound intuitive to the average person,

00:48:52.280 but I feel like that's so much more helpful where it's like admitting you.

00:48:56.680 What, what, what happened to like actually being humble.

00:48:59.000 Right.

00:48:59.260 And actually being like, I don't know.

00:49:01.140 Humility is like, just not thinking about me.

00:49:04.100 It's not thinking bad about me.

00:49:05.480 It's just like, I'm not even.

00:49:06.540 No, but you know what it is.

00:49:07.420 It's like, so it's the same thing with Gnosticism.

00:49:10.220 And this is where I've been at recently where it's like, you have this idea that you understand,

00:49:16.540 but you're alive for like 70 to 80 years as a man.

00:49:19.380 If you're lucky, if you're lucky, we die.

00:49:21.620 Well, I mean, 60 years old is pretty much what we got.

00:49:24.580 Right.

00:49:25.020 I mean, it's just the stress.

00:49:26.020 We push it all down.

00:49:26.800 It kills us.

00:49:27.360 It's the best.

00:49:27.780 So like you have 60, 70, 80 years on this planet and you think you're going to figure out

00:49:34.060 all of the, the hidden truths about the universe.

00:49:37.400 And I was on that path for like a long time.

00:49:39.520 And it's crazy because it's, it's like the earth has been here for thousands of years.

00:49:43.180 And you weren't here when the foundations were laid and you weren't here when, you know,

00:49:47.240 what happened in the garden and, and, and all of this different sort of all these different

00:49:53.180 events that led to this one point here in 2025.

00:49:55.640 But, and you want to say, I get it.

00:49:58.300 I know what the key is.

00:49:59.320 Like we'll get people in the comments that go numerology, numerology is the way.

00:50:02.540 And it's like, you have to really think highly of yourself to imagine even for a moment that

00:50:07.920 you haven't figured out.

00:50:08.960 That's a crazy, as a dude who was trying to figure it out and then kind of took some pride,

00:50:14.600 right.

00:50:15.240 And thinking like, I know a little bit more than the average person.

00:50:18.300 That's the dangerous thing for us.

00:50:19.760 Conspiracy theorists, right.

00:50:20.820 Is we, you, we can especially cultivate a mindset of like, oh, I know a thing that, you know.

00:50:25.080 Yeah.

00:50:25.560 Yeah.

00:50:26.040 It's dangerous.

00:50:26.820 It's a slippery slope.

00:50:27.740 That's a real slippery slope.

00:50:28.920 Yeah.

00:50:29.140 And then all of a sudden you're the, you know, the, the possessor of coveted information.

00:50:33.720 Right.

00:50:33.980 And it's like.

00:50:35.260 What you get in the Bible.

00:50:36.140 And then you're like, it's killing that.

00:50:38.040 It's killing it.

00:50:38.500 It's killing that scripture.

00:50:39.560 And you're getting along with God.

00:50:40.580 It's killing.

00:50:41.160 You know, what does a good job of killing that though?

00:50:42.680 It's like, every time you learn something new, you go, oh, I didn't really know shit before.

00:50:47.460 And you do that enough times until you come to the realization, like, oh, I think the truth

00:50:51.860 might be, I don't know shit right now.

00:50:53.500 Because it keeps happening.

00:50:55.900 It keeps happening.

00:50:56.620 I keep learning new things.

00:50:57.500 I keep thinking that I knew something before.

00:50:59.340 If you think of the Pharisees and like, you can like read, you can like read all these

00:51:04.400 mistakes in the Bible, especially the Pharisees.

00:51:06.680 God does asshats, man.

00:51:07.880 How did they miss it?

00:51:09.080 But what you should be doing is being like, Lord, please don't let me miss it.

00:51:13.240 Like, yeah.

00:51:13.540 Like if these guys were that close.

00:51:15.160 Yeah.

00:51:15.400 They're sitting here arguing to God's face about who God is and about what God's like.

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00:51:49.640 I think about that.

00:51:51.220 Like sometimes, I don't know, we'll drive by, you'll see like in New York, you'll see

00:51:56.500 like homeless people and they're really down, you know?

00:51:58.980 And I've told my kids, I'm like, those are crackheads.

00:52:00.840 And they'll be like, crackheads.

00:52:01.600 So let's say crackheads.

00:52:02.720 And it's fun to, it's fun to like, like look at them and be like, look at this crackhead.

00:52:07.340 But I, when I see them, I often think like, damn, like how many steps have I

00:52:12.500 away from that?

00:52:13.620 Because it's very, I mean, there's, there's a set of possibilities to get to that rather

00:52:17.540 than thinking like, I ain't that guy.

00:52:19.500 I, that's my, my mind is like damaged, I guess, to that point where that's where I go.

00:52:23.600 I'm like, well, there's, there's that.

00:52:25.680 And there's like, damn, that human was a little bathing.

00:52:29.060 Yeah, that human was like in kindergarten and then they were in like second grade and

00:52:34.360 then they were in like junior high and then like, damn, like what, like what happened?

00:52:38.740 Where did it go wrong, man?

00:52:39.860 Like what, like what stuff happened that brought them to this place?

00:52:42.940 And I know from experience, like being shitty, it's actually like pretty easy.

00:52:49.080 Like you look at that and you go, that's such a far throw from where I'm at now.

00:52:52.640 And it's like, not really, dude.

00:52:54.020 That's actually really easy.

00:52:55.060 Like three or four decisions.

00:52:56.520 Yeah.

00:52:57.220 Or even, even worse.

00:52:58.880 It's like indecisions, like deciding to do nothing.

00:53:02.640 That'll get you there.

00:53:03.600 So yeah.

00:53:04.560 What made you decide?

00:53:05.440 What made you decide to do something?

00:53:06.760 To do, yeah, to do something.

00:53:08.480 No.

00:53:08.700 So that, that's what I was so, uh, so saying like, God, I want to get in the game.

00:53:12.300 I don't want to just be like the spectator.

00:53:15.040 Definitely.

00:53:15.700 There's no way I'm reading the Bible and the, and my conclusion is like, okay, I should

00:53:19.180 go watch a show one day a week.

00:53:20.560 Like that never happened.

00:53:22.120 I was like, okay, if that's part of it, cool.

00:53:24.100 But that's just part of it.

00:53:25.280 It's like the other six days, like what am I doing?

00:53:27.380 And then, uh, so like I said, I started reading all these, all these authors, bro, from like

00:53:32.120 the past, mostly right.

00:53:33.560 G. Campbell Morgan, Derek Prince, like Oswald Chambers, Spurgeon, I'm like reading all this

00:53:37.760 stuff and I'm just like growing, bro.

00:53:40.320 I'm just like growing and thriving.

00:53:41.880 And I'm reading a Bible every day for, I don't know how many years now, like a long time.

00:53:45.800 I'm reading a Bible every day, but I'm just so unfed from going to church.

00:53:49.460 I'm just like leaving so unsatisfied and saying like, this is just this weird show, bro.

00:53:53.440 And it's kind of like, I think, I'm pretty sure I've been here a couple of years now.

00:53:56.500 I'm hearing some of the same sermons, like over again, and like, it's just kind of like

00:54:00.720 lame.

00:54:01.140 And then, you know, what's going on behind the scenes.

00:54:03.060 You're like, this is even more lame.

00:54:04.480 Like, this is so weird of a system.

00:54:06.480 I was saying like the, the idea of like a pastor speaking to a congregation is very weird.

00:54:10.760 Cause like this conversation we're having is organic.

00:54:13.120 You asked me, you asked me a thousand times, he's like, what are we going to talk about?

00:54:15.580 I was like, I don't know, whatever, we'll figure it out.

00:54:17.980 But like, yeah, like, but there also was a place for like preparing a sermon for seven

00:54:21.800 days coming in.

00:54:22.760 Yeah.

00:54:23.440 But it's weird.

00:54:24.480 It's a strange thing.

00:54:24.840 No, I like the idea of that.

00:54:26.300 I like the idea of like a dude spending 40 hours, just like grinding it out.

00:54:31.360 Trying his ass off.

00:54:32.360 At his desk with a Bible and a notepad.

00:54:34.480 He's about to write, dude, like the raddest stuff.

00:54:37.060 He's going to come out and like rip people's hearts open on Sunday morning.

00:54:39.780 I'm all about that.

00:54:40.660 But if that's all you do.

00:54:41.360 But that's not what happens, bro.

00:54:43.040 Well, he's doing that.

00:54:43.940 The dude's playing golf a couple of days a week.

00:54:45.380 And then he's got to deal with the secretary.

00:54:48.060 And then he has to do the new building plans.

00:54:49.920 And they got to take up some money to buy some land over here.

00:54:53.240 Like we're going to take in people's money to buy land and build buildings.

00:54:55.960 So we have to be on top of that.

00:54:57.340 And then now, how many hours are you really like getting in that sermon and just like wrecking

00:55:01.340 people on Sunday?

00:55:02.080 Well, that's the idea.

00:55:02.600 It's like, what's the mission?

00:55:03.360 The mission is like further the kingdom of God, spread the gospel, right?

00:55:06.100 That's the mission.

00:55:06.720 That's what you're supposed to do.

00:55:07.900 And it's like, that doesn't just happen in that room.

00:55:10.220 But you can't do that.

00:55:11.000 If you're just in that room, you've got to go out.

00:55:13.020 So like you touch base once a week, maybe if that's what you're into, but you've got

00:55:16.300 to go out and you've got to do something.

00:55:18.120 Yeah.

00:55:18.440 But I mean, that's not the issue.

00:55:20.020 They're doing plenty of somethings.

00:55:21.300 Like there's plenty of can't food drive.

00:55:22.740 No, no, no.

00:55:23.060 I don't mean the organization that is the church.

00:55:25.340 I mean, you as an attendee of the church.

00:55:27.600 Yeah.

00:55:28.220 So you go and you experience this, which can be good.

00:55:30.940 And maybe it even is like a little bit of momentum.

00:55:33.340 Sure.

00:55:33.620 But then when you leave that place, you're supposed to go out.

00:55:36.360 Yeah.

00:55:36.480 You're supposed to live it.

00:55:37.220 But you're not, that's what I'm saying, you're not going to live it doing the one day a week.

00:55:40.780 Correct.

00:55:41.200 Yeah.

00:55:41.520 You're not like, you have to be in the Bible every day.

00:55:43.520 Well, that's the slippery slope about it is that I recognize that people are on this

00:55:47.300 constant search for identity, right?

00:55:49.300 That's like the cliche is, who am I?

00:55:51.660 That's the big cliche question.

00:55:52.900 What am I here for?

00:55:53.540 What am I meant to do?

00:55:54.640 And that's a lot of work.

00:55:56.100 And that takes a lot of time.

00:55:57.320 Yeah.

00:55:57.560 And, and, but if you could expedite that process by just like, well, who am I?

00:56:01.380 I don't know.

00:56:01.620 I'm a guy who goes here.

00:56:03.140 Here's my label.

00:56:03.960 It's, it's, you know, uh, Lutheran, Presbyterian, whatever, whatever.

00:56:07.220 It is, there's my new label.

00:56:08.840 Um, I show up to here once a week.

00:56:10.700 These are my people.

00:56:11.640 I found my tribe.

00:56:12.600 It like answers in a very hollow way.

00:56:15.200 If you allow it to all those questions, who am I?

00:56:18.080 What am I, what do I do?

00:56:18.920 What am I meant to do here?

00:56:19.940 And it's, it's just identity.

00:56:21.220 And especially right now we're wrapped up in identity politics.

00:56:24.600 So if it's not this thing that you're adhering to, it could be something worse.

00:56:28.160 It could be like, you're saying like the same way, like when you're in high school,

00:56:30.920 there's like the gothic kids and there's like gangsters and skaters.

00:56:33.580 I need, I need an identity.

00:56:34.560 And there's club rockers and there's jocks and there's crappies.

00:56:36.820 And then one of the groups is Christians.

00:56:39.140 Yeah, bro.

00:56:39.840 That's what I'm saying.

00:56:40.600 And the truth of the matter is it takes a lot more to figure out.

00:56:44.700 It takes a long time to figure out who you are, what you're meant to do, all of this stuff.

00:56:49.320 But that identity has to be found in God.

00:56:51.920 Like that, like that's it.

00:56:52.780 And Paul tells Timothy, he said, uh, we've been saved and called with a holy calling in

00:56:56.800 Christ Jesus before the world began.

00:56:59.400 Dude, our identity is finding out from God.

00:57:01.780 Yo, what is that?

00:57:02.560 Yeah.

00:57:02.940 Cause if I'm a boat, I don't want to be grinding around with my propeller out on the concrete

00:57:07.320 in the parking lot.

00:57:08.260 Looking for your, I don't want to be like, I don't want to put me on the, on the trailer.

00:57:13.460 And then they're like, and I'm like, yeah, now I'm really going.

00:57:16.260 And I'm like, you know what I'm saying?

00:57:17.220 I'm on the trailer.

00:57:18.220 Now we're going 60 on the freeway, but then it's not real until you get dropped in the

00:57:23.040 water.

00:57:23.400 Right.

00:57:23.760 And then you're like, Oh yeah.

00:57:27.000 Well, that's the big subversion.

00:57:29.120 That's why the subversion, right?

00:57:31.800 If you can subvert the church or if you can subvert the idea of Christianity in the West,

00:57:36.620 then you're going to have countless people deviate from their path.

00:57:41.700 Right.

00:57:42.200 And they're going to go across all of us.

00:57:43.560 I'm screwed because we're all part of the same body, bro.

00:57:49.560 Right.

00:57:49.780 Even like Paul's in the shipwreck and the Lord's like, no, I'm going to save everybody that's

00:57:54.060 on your ship.

00:57:54.980 We have to think about that.

00:57:56.240 Like who's on my ship and that if I'm not doing my job, like who it's not just me, like

00:58:00.640 who's all getting smoked now because I didn't do my job.

00:58:03.920 And there's really a body and the kneecap's not doing his thing.

00:58:06.700 The eyeball's screwed too.

00:58:07.940 Everybody's screwed.

00:58:08.520 Like we need everybody to take their place and to find their destiny in God and fulfill

00:58:12.800 it so that we are the functioning body of Christ.

00:58:15.260 But again, now we're back to, that's what apostles, prophets, pastors, evangelists, and

00:58:18.560 teachers are supposed to be helping with, equipping the saints, letting them find out

00:58:23.020 who they are and what their destiny is so they can all function.

00:58:26.300 It's not, the purpose is not to come watch a show every week, which again, like I know

00:58:29.740 he keeps saying, like, it's cool if you do that, but that's not the whole purpose.

00:58:33.000 Correct.

00:58:33.180 That's not the point.

00:58:34.200 There's even this notion that within the spiritual realm or the supernatural realm, whatever

00:58:36.980 you want to call it, that these things know who you are meant to be and what

00:58:40.840 you're meant to do, and so they'll come at you earlier.

00:58:44.460 I could see that.

00:58:45.280 Yeah, especially junkies, though, because like, anytime you get to the bottom of like

00:58:48.980 why we love drugs, it's because we never fit in.

00:58:52.000 Like we just never, like they told us, like, yeah, punch in, punch out, mow the lawn, wash

00:58:56.160 the car, and we're just like, yeah, I don't, this isn't real, it's killing me.

00:59:00.600 I'm not part of that, where's the weed at?

00:59:01.960 You know, like that's just how we think that we never were part of the system to begin

00:59:05.900 with, but the church doesn't grab and say, no, no, no, you're a pilgrim and a

00:59:08.820 stranger, like that's why you don't fit in, like that's why you don't fit in, bro, because

00:59:12.780 you were never supposed to be part of the world.

00:59:14.640 You know what I'm saying?

00:59:15.620 Yeah.

00:59:15.980 Yeah.

00:59:16.200 So like, so I do wonder if like we don't glow different in the spirit realm or something.

00:59:20.400 I think so.

00:59:21.000 The forces of darkness, like get his ass.

00:59:22.700 Well, you see that guy before he becomes somebody.

00:59:24.760 You see that in different films, which I think sometimes Hollywood has a way of like

00:59:28.940 showing you spiritual truths, you know, but there's a little bit twisted.

00:59:32.960 Yeah.

00:59:33.200 And you'll see this in horror movies where it's like, especially children, right?

00:59:35.800 I think Dr. Sleep is one of my favorite examples where some kids have.

00:59:40.260 Oh, Stephen King.

00:59:41.000 I don't know anything about horror movies, bro.

00:59:42.480 I can't watch him.

00:59:43.180 You can't watch horror movies?

00:59:44.160 Stephen King.

00:59:44.900 Like I try not to.

00:59:45.760 The Shining that you've heard that.

00:59:47.600 I've heard of it.

00:59:47.820 Yeah.

00:59:48.180 Dr. Sleep is a sequel to it.

00:59:49.420 But basically the idea is that that kid, Danny Torrance, there's a, there's like a innkeeper

00:59:55.280 and he says, that boy's shining.

00:59:57.140 He got the shine.

00:59:58.020 Oh, really?

00:59:58.660 Yeah.

00:59:58.960 He's saying he's going to be something.

01:00:00.960 Well, it's something that you can see.

01:00:02.300 There's something about him that he could, he can see into this spiritual realm and see

01:00:06.280 that this guy, this kid is special.

01:00:08.120 He's shining.

01:00:08.900 Yeah.

01:00:08.960 So I think that there is something like that.

01:00:10.940 But then he's targeted by negative.

01:00:12.940 Sure.

01:00:13.380 The bad.

01:00:13.720 Sure.

01:00:13.960 Whatever.

01:00:14.340 You know, he's targeted.

01:00:15.140 But the Lord will use it in the end.

01:00:16.880 Like the Lord's just using that.

01:00:18.140 Yeah.

01:00:18.780 Yeah.

01:00:19.120 Like as soon as you get linked up with the Lord, all the rest is irrelevant.

01:00:22.480 Yeah.

01:00:22.700 But what these things do is they will disguise themselves as your own thoughts.

01:00:26.680 We've talked about that countless times.

01:00:28.880 And have you ever heard of Jerry Morzanski?

01:00:30.380 Oh my God.

01:00:30.960 You should tell him about it.

01:00:32.820 Everybody have a drink.

01:00:34.020 Tell him about Jerry Morzanski.

01:00:34.780 Dr. Jerry Morzanski is a clinical psychologist dealing with schizophrenic patients for 35 years

01:00:39.040 in the field.

01:00:39.720 He worked in a medical setting first.

01:00:42.520 And then he worked in a prison setting.

01:00:44.160 I think after they shut down whatever psychiatric ward that he was working at.

01:00:47.640 Well, or did they kick him out of there?

01:00:48.940 He might have.

01:00:49.480 I forget the timeline.

01:00:50.960 He was doing, he was like kind of pushing the limit of what they wanted him to do as a

01:00:54.980 psychiatrist in this place.

01:00:56.040 So he went to the prison setting, which is like much more lenient.

01:01:00.720 They didn't care what he did.

01:01:01.680 I'm about to finish it.

01:01:02.600 So basically he starts to realize that these things that the industry is calling visual

01:01:10.500 and auditory hallucinations are actually adhering to patterns.

01:01:14.140 And we're talking like a set of 23 different patterns that these things that schizophrenic

01:01:20.000 patients are suffering from are adhering to.

01:01:21.900 And that's not how a hallucination works.

01:01:23.600 You would expect there to be some patterns within the randomness, but not 23 patterns

01:01:27.960 that he's getting down every time.

01:01:29.040 So you're saying that they're like seeing a thing that is there.

01:01:31.400 They're not seeing there.

01:01:32.560 Yes, correct.

01:01:33.800 They're suffering from something outside of themselves that is seeking to oppress them

01:01:38.460 and that the medical industry is just labeling hallucinations.

01:01:42.580 That's like John G. Lake used to deal with that, bro.

01:01:46.900 John G. Lake?

01:01:47.880 Yeah.

01:01:48.280 Even like, you know, foaming at the mouth and having like seizures and stuff was like,

01:01:55.060 yeah, that's demonic possession, man.

01:01:56.580 Like a lot of that's demonic possession.

01:01:57.820 He used to deal with that like a long time ago.

01:02:01.000 I mean, that's what some of these stories are about, right?

01:02:04.080 Like the children that Jesus comes to and the child, he's throwing himself in the fire

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01:02:36.980 I mean, it's an interesting thought.

01:02:40.740 Like the Unseen Realm is there all the time.

01:02:42.700 It's definitely hammering humans.

01:02:45.880 Marzinski says that he thinks upwards of 80% of your thoughts are not your own.

01:02:50.740 So these things that you perceive as you keep in mind.

01:02:53.400 Well, that's why you got to catch them, bro.

01:02:54.680 Like, I catch myself and I'm like, I want them.

01:02:57.980 Yeah.

01:02:58.160 Oh, I get, sometimes I'll get mad.

01:02:59.720 I will look like a psychopath where I'll like, every once in a while, something stupid intrusive

01:03:04.520 will hit me and I'll go like, I'll shake my head in public and I'm like, damn, people

01:03:09.180 will see me like, it looks like I have a twitch.

01:03:10.860 But really, I'm getting frustrated because I know that some of these like impulsive thoughts

01:03:16.260 are not my own thoughts.

01:03:17.960 Well, our flesh is wicked too.

01:03:19.480 So we can never like deny that.

01:03:21.360 Like our flesh will crave like lustful things.

01:03:24.780 Right, right, right.

01:03:25.400 Same way we haunt animals, right?

01:03:26.900 Like if you haunt it, like if you're a deer hunter, turkey or whatever, we haunt animals

01:03:31.160 around like their, their lust and their craving for predominantly food and sex.

01:03:36.160 Like that's really like when deer are running, that's when you haunt them.

01:03:38.840 That's interesting, right?

01:03:39.820 Turkeys are like, that's an interesting analogy.

01:03:42.680 That's when you're hunting them.

01:03:43.660 Yeah.

01:03:43.820 You hunt them around their carnal desires for sex and food.

01:03:46.600 But demons haunt us, I think, based on those two, we can see plenty of people in this

01:03:50.960 nation where food is really a problem.

01:03:53.140 We probably have a few more carnal desires than deer.

01:03:54.960 Well, I was going to say, that's what I was going to say.

01:03:56.200 Then you combine that with like drugs, gambling, you know, pornography, like whatever.

01:04:01.620 Go down the list.

01:04:02.840 Why would demons hunt our animal nature any different?

01:04:05.480 Well, that's, that's just what I was getting at.

01:04:06.800 When you say like.

01:04:07.120 Well, Barzynski, Barzynski actually found that methamphetamine is one of the biggest drugs that

01:04:11.940 will open up this doorway to schizophrenia.

01:04:14.000 I have, I have a feeling ketamine could probably be just as effective.

01:04:16.740 I could see that.

01:04:17.620 I just don't think he dealt with people that were on ketamine as much.

01:04:20.300 Yeah.

01:04:20.440 He's like, he says that met like meth basically.

01:04:22.360 Is that special?

01:04:23.000 Okay.

01:04:23.220 Is that?

01:04:23.620 Yeah.

01:04:23.920 Yeah.

01:04:24.940 Meth kicks the door open and puts like a stopper in it.

01:04:27.660 Yeah.

01:04:27.840 So like that door is wide open for these people to come see.

01:04:30.200 I was on meth when I was 15, bro.

01:04:31.840 That was like, by the grace of God, I lived in a rehab when I was 16.

01:04:35.640 Yeah.

01:04:35.960 And like, I was, I was like, yeah, I'm not going to quit doing drugs.

01:04:38.340 But at least by being in that rehab for six weeks, I was like, bro, you cannot do meth.

01:04:42.780 Let me ask you this.

01:04:43.440 Did you find that when you did meth, you would have like more invasive, intrusive thoughts

01:04:48.320 and they would take a while to like, there's like more of the same amount.

01:04:52.300 I was like a 15 year old idiot on that.

01:04:54.420 Yeah.

01:04:54.580 I don't remember.

01:04:55.080 You don't remember.

01:04:55.660 Okay.

01:04:55.860 All right.

01:04:56.080 That's right.

01:04:56.420 That's right.

01:04:56.660 Yeah.

01:04:56.840 Cause what he said is basically, cause you know, you imagine in a prison system, when

01:05:00.080 you're dealing with schizophrenics, you're dealing with a lot of drug addicts and he

01:05:03.660 would say that the drug that most mimics the symptoms of schizophrenia would be, I could

01:05:08.640 see that though.

01:05:09.460 I just remember like normal chicks, even just like doing a bump on Friday night.

01:05:13.520 They were cheerleaders.

01:05:14.520 That's crazy.

01:05:15.000 Two weeks later, they're gone.

01:05:16.540 Two weeks later, they're just gone.

01:05:17.540 They're picking their face and like, that's it.

01:05:19.700 Yeah.

01:05:19.960 I just had buddies that were just gone, dude.

01:05:21.720 They were like, everything was okay.

01:05:23.120 And then they just weren't.

01:05:24.300 And then I was probably on that path.

01:05:26.720 And then, um, my parents told me for me to move back in the house.

01:05:29.480 I had to go to rehab first.

01:05:30.740 So I was like, yeah, whatever.

01:05:31.400 I'll do a little time in the rehab.

01:05:33.060 So it's six weeks.

01:05:34.140 It was in Oakland.

01:05:35.400 And then I was like, yeah, this is, they made you do like counseling and stuff.

01:05:38.440 But I didn't do any of the counseling.

01:05:39.600 I just like a hit out was doing my thing.

01:05:41.500 But I, but while I was in there, I was like, bro, okay.

01:05:44.520 Like, thank God you got a little clarity of mind right now.

01:05:46.900 Don't go back to the, probably don't do math anymore.

01:05:48.800 Yeah.

01:05:49.080 Yeah.

01:05:49.780 So what happens?

01:05:51.740 I want to know, like, what, when is the moment where you go?

01:05:54.300 Like, you turn to your wife and you go, let's get the paperwork done.

01:05:57.780 Yeah.

01:05:57.900 Was she like, uh, was she on board for this?

01:06:00.560 For this place?

01:06:01.220 Was she on board with what you did?

01:06:02.500 Like, what?

01:06:02.900 Bro, you guys jump around more than I do.

01:06:04.700 I love this.

01:06:05.660 He was like, I might jump around a lot.

01:06:07.100 I'm like, no, I got it.

01:06:08.800 We just got to remember.

01:06:09.460 We just got to remember to go like way off and left field.

01:06:12.500 And you're like, well, look at how good we go hit.

01:06:14.040 And we get back in.

01:06:15.160 No, she was on board.

01:06:16.600 Could she, uh, you got to remember this is a wild ass conversion, bro.

01:06:20.460 Like she didn't know anything about the Lord.

01:06:22.340 I didn't really know anything about the Lord.

01:06:23.940 And then I got a Bible when I was 19.

01:06:25.260 But then when I got serious about it, she watched the whole change happen.

01:06:29.240 And then she, uh, one night, so she smelled like a pack a day and, uh, she was never

01:06:34.100 on drugs, uh, just because like, she saw what drugs did like in and around her life

01:06:38.560 and saw me too.

01:06:39.540 I'm like, I got her to do ecstasy one time, like a long time ago when hurricane Francis

01:06:43.760 came over Florida.

01:06:44.720 So it was like a hurricane party, like four days, everything was shut down, but she was

01:06:48.220 like anti-drugs for the most part, other than like that one day, like too much of a hurricane.

01:06:55.540 So yeah, it's the best.

01:06:56.700 But she like smoked a pack a day, bro.

01:06:58.900 She's like this really pretty, like little chick that just smoked like a lumberjack.

01:07:02.400 That's wild.

01:07:02.760 She's like smoking.

01:07:03.640 So one night the kids are little and, uh, she's just having a, like, she's, she could

01:07:09.060 explain it like a heart attack.

01:07:10.300 And she's like, Lord, if you let me live, like it literally came to that, like thought

01:07:14.380 she was going to die.

01:07:14.980 If you let me live, I'll, I'll quit smoking.

01:07:17.440 You think that's because smoking is bad or because smoking became like an idol for her?

01:07:20.800 Probably the idol, bro.

01:07:22.200 See, you're like super perceptive for like being like, oh, brand new.

01:07:25.560 I'm brand new to it.

01:07:26.160 But, uh, it, it probably was that it was her whole identity.

01:07:29.740 It was like her whole thing for life.

01:07:32.240 And, uh, bro, she quit.

01:07:35.380 Like she quit, dude, but she's a hardcore chick.

01:07:37.900 She, she, but she quit, like just completely with two little kids, which is crazy.

01:07:42.700 So that, that convicted her.

01:07:44.220 He made it.

01:07:44.600 Yeah.

01:07:44.800 So she got on the path then.

01:07:46.260 So I'm just, I'm saying like, by that time I was setting my alarm like an hour early in

01:07:49.560 the morning and reading scripture for an hour, like every day, she wasn't necessarily like

01:07:53.020 that at that time, but she started to like do some back and forth and be willing to go

01:07:58.100 to church.

01:07:58.700 Well, we were going to church before that because I remember her like smoking cigarettes when

01:08:02.200 we were leaving church.

01:08:03.360 They're like, sweet, jerk.

01:08:04.300 People don't smoke.

01:08:05.040 Like, hurry, hurry up.

01:08:05.820 Get in the car.

01:08:06.360 Hurry up.

01:08:06.580 Hurry up.

01:08:06.820 Hurry up.

01:08:07.360 It's actually a good habit that I heard you mention before.

01:08:10.600 Smoking that jerk?

01:08:12.980 Smoking meth at church.

01:08:14.280 Getting up like a little early and yeah, it's been the number one blessing in my life,

01:08:20.580 dude.

01:08:20.860 And it's just an hour.

01:08:21.900 I promise you, dude.

01:08:22.840 Because I feel like the Lord is like, yo, I remember I was down there as a human, that

01:08:26.900 little thing where you want to sleep.

01:08:28.840 So nice.

01:08:29.420 Like, I know what that's like.

01:08:30.940 Yeah.

01:08:31.180 And if you're, oh, you're coming after me, like, you know, you can sleep for another

01:08:34.340 hour, but you're choosing to get up to come after me.

01:08:36.360 I feel like in my life, I don't know about anybody else, but he's like, no, I'm coming after

01:08:39.600 you now.

01:08:40.200 He's speaking.

01:08:40.680 So you guys sleep a lot.

01:08:42.240 I sleep a lot.

01:08:43.020 Maybe you get your coffee.

01:08:44.260 Like, you're not doing it careless.

01:08:45.440 You got your pen out.

01:08:46.480 We're going to get the coffee from.

01:08:47.840 You know, bro.

01:08:49.760 You're like locked in.

01:08:51.120 The Lord's like, yeah, bro.

01:08:52.140 You want to come at me?

01:08:53.040 I'm coming at you now.

01:08:54.040 And I think there's great time for fellowship.

01:08:56.400 I'm not saying anybody like has to do that.

01:08:58.880 No, but it's a great.

01:08:59.740 If you think you don't have time, literally just wake up an hour early, bro.

01:09:03.060 That's been like the greatest blessing of my life.

01:09:05.020 It makes you not really have friends so much because you have to go to bed early.

01:09:08.560 And then like the more you get, the more you're intimate with God, you're kind of weird to

01:09:12.780 normal people too.

01:09:13.840 Yeah.

01:09:14.420 I did notice that because he texted me.

01:09:16.260 He's very weird to me.

01:09:17.120 He was like, can I just say something real quick?

01:09:18.400 I was like, oh God, he's going to be like cursed me or something.

01:09:20.820 But I was busy.

01:09:21.720 I was, I was really big.

01:09:22.760 Go to toplobson.com.

01:09:23.780 No website real life.

01:09:24.940 But I met you back at like nine and I was like, I hope it's not too late.

01:09:28.200 And I was like, he didn't answer.

01:09:29.080 No, I was sleeping.

01:09:30.560 No, I think last night I wasn't.

01:09:32.680 But I don't know.

01:09:34.660 I don't know.

01:09:34.900 You know what I was going to text you?

01:09:36.340 We need to not do a big intro.

01:09:39.040 It makes me uncomfortable.

01:09:40.920 I already was nervous.

01:09:42.500 Did you like this?

01:09:43.300 Okay.

01:09:43.700 But we didn't do a big intro.

01:09:45.120 We did like the cameras and lights and stuff.

01:09:48.080 I just was like, you know, it's like institutional.

01:09:50.140 It makes me feel like you're like, where were you on June?

01:09:51.900 Okay.

01:09:52.180 But did we do all right?

01:09:53.060 Was it good?

01:09:53.400 Yeah.

01:09:53.820 You enjoyed it?

01:09:54.740 Yeah.

01:09:55.000 Okay.

01:09:55.200 Do people enjoy it?

01:09:56.320 Matt specifically asked us to do this live.

01:09:58.960 Oh yeah.

01:09:59.180 He wants you to read the comments.

01:10:01.640 I don't know.

01:10:01.920 I'll let Christina filter through that towards the end.

01:10:04.720 How much time?

01:10:05.460 She's like, nobody's watching.

01:10:06.500 Zero questions.

01:10:07.260 Zero questions.

01:10:07.900 We do have comments.

01:10:08.620 We just have words.

01:10:09.520 How many, how much time have we been doing?

01:10:11.380 Right now we're at an hour to five.

01:10:13.380 Okay.

01:10:13.620 I mean, we'll do a few more and then maybe.

01:10:15.100 Wait, there's like a limit on how long we go?

01:10:16.940 No, no, no, it's not a limit.

01:10:18.140 I'll tell you what though.

01:10:18.740 How much time do we have?

01:10:19.380 We just want to know.

01:10:20.900 No, no, I'm in it, bro.

01:10:22.420 I'm going to unclip this though.

01:10:23.380 Cause I got to take a leak.

01:10:24.060 I don't want you guys to hear.

01:10:24.820 I go to bed at like eight.

01:10:26.540 Like I lay down at eight, bro.

01:10:27.720 I'm not asleep at eight, but I sit down to read.

01:10:31.480 I'm reading the book you gave me from Gary.

01:10:34.420 Gary Wayne.

01:10:35.060 Yeah.

01:10:35.200 What do you think about it?

01:10:36.360 I'm only like a couple of chapters in, but I like the topic.

01:10:39.260 Like I look through what all the chapters are.

01:10:41.240 It looks good.

01:10:42.120 He's very much.

01:10:42.880 It's like a historian.

01:10:43.880 So it's like, yeah, it's not necessarily a book that's going to read chronologically,

01:10:46.900 but you'll get some good information.

01:10:48.500 Maybe fill in the blanks.

01:10:49.380 That, uh, that map that you have down there, that like real long timeline.

01:10:53.120 Yeah.

01:10:53.460 Yeah.

01:10:53.720 Yeah.

01:10:53.900 That's exactly.

01:10:54.520 It's that book.

01:10:55.240 I like that.

01:10:56.040 Densely, you know, combined.

01:10:58.000 Wait, and he's getting into like ancient, like myths and, uh, yeah.

01:11:01.960 Yeah.

01:11:03.160 All that.

01:11:03.580 Which is what Genesis six is like.

01:11:05.860 That's the thing.

01:11:07.220 Yeah.

01:11:08.180 All right.

01:11:08.640 Let's get, let's get back to, uh, you were telling us about the journey.

01:11:11.600 Your wife.

01:11:12.620 What is she thinking?

01:11:13.400 Can I just say something while the Raven's gone?

01:11:15.100 I'm glad he's gone.

01:11:16.020 I thought for sure he was an undercover cop.

01:11:18.880 I was like, bro.

01:11:19.260 But how does he like not know that the mustache gives him away?

01:11:22.080 I'm like, if you're going to be the undercover cop, you've got to get rid of the cops.

01:11:25.080 He does, he dresses the way he dresses and like he shows himself the way he shows himself

01:11:29.640 on purpose.

01:11:30.220 And I tell him, it's not a good look.

01:11:31.720 It's just not, but he doesn't care.

01:11:33.580 He just continues to do it.

01:11:34.600 No, I was like, this dude's undercover cop.

01:11:37.400 But like, he's got the cop stash.

01:11:39.180 So how do you not like, it's like, bro, somebody should have told him like, you've got to get rid

01:11:42.140 of the mustache.

01:11:42.660 He always has a piece on him, too.

01:11:43.940 He's very, he gives up weird boxes.

01:11:45.980 I think that's what people like about him, but I'm not sure.

01:11:48.740 I don't really like the guy, but it is what it is.

01:11:51.560 You love this guy.

01:11:53.500 All right.

01:11:54.220 So what were we, uh, so your wife is, uh, she, she quit smoking and she's on the journey

01:11:59.880 with you.

01:12:00.180 She's looking at me and she's like, dude, he's different.

01:12:03.100 Yeah.

01:12:03.500 She's like, there's not really, you can't really debate.

01:12:06.540 Like this dude's different now.

01:12:07.560 Like something happened to him.

01:12:08.860 Yeah.

01:12:09.340 And so now she's intrigued, which I think is how it's supposed to go.

01:12:12.340 Like people are simply, like, what do they say?

01:12:13.720 Like people won't read their Bible, but they will read you.

01:12:16.880 They will read your life.

01:12:17.800 Like that's kind of what happened to her.

01:12:19.220 Do we tell him, oh, he's dead.

01:12:20.440 Or do we just go find out?

01:12:21.320 No.

01:12:22.500 So then, uh, he doesn't watch the show.

01:12:24.400 Why don't you tell me?

01:12:25.120 Tell me what you said.

01:12:27.360 She starts getting into the scripture a little bit.

01:12:29.680 Like, like, like everything comes from the scripture.

01:12:32.120 Like, like everything in your life is going to come from your time in the scripture.

01:12:35.520 Like, that's it.

01:12:36.440 It's not really anything else.

01:12:38.480 Like you live on the earth.

01:12:39.540 There's a messaging system from the unseen realm.

01:12:41.900 It is spiritual food.

01:12:44.000 Jesus said, my words are spirit and they are life.

01:12:45.840 Like you start ingesting that.

01:12:47.500 It's becoming part of you.

01:12:48.580 It's growing your spirit and stuff.

01:12:49.940 You're getting close to God, the creator of everything.

01:12:52.280 And then like everything takes off from there.

01:12:54.320 Then it's no hold bar from there.

01:12:55.860 So she started doing that and then asking me questions.

01:12:58.580 We're doing Bible studies.

01:13:00.520 Like just her and I, what the kids were doing Bible studies.

01:13:03.640 The kids were always like, uh.

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01:13:31.300 I was reading them like really cool books when they were little.

01:13:35.800 Like if you ever want to know the Bible, read it to your kids, bro.

01:13:38.740 Yeah.

01:13:39.220 Read it to your kids because they will say the stuff that like church people won't say.

01:13:43.440 Because like when you're a grown up, you just kind of like, you're just like, oh yeah, I know that story.

01:13:48.260 I've heard it before.

01:13:49.080 It doesn't really mean anything.

01:13:49.920 But your kids are like, whoa, wait a minute.

01:13:51.760 Like Bella, one time we were reading through Judges.

01:13:55.300 You know, the cycle in Judges is like the Israelites are doing good.

01:13:58.880 They turn from God.

01:14:00.080 They're doing bad.

01:14:00.980 They cry out to God.

01:14:02.100 He rescues them.

01:14:03.280 They do good.

01:14:04.240 They do bad.

01:14:05.320 They cry out to God.

01:14:06.500 He rescues them.

01:14:07.360 It's like this cycle.

01:14:08.760 So she's like chilling.

01:14:10.200 I'm reading it to her in bed.

01:14:11.220 And the cycle just happened like a few times now.

01:14:13.900 She throws off the cover.

01:14:15.080 She goes, why do they keep doing that?

01:14:17.880 You know what I'm saying?

01:14:18.840 And I was like, sweetie, they just because they do.

01:14:22.480 No, I was like, we, we do.

01:14:24.520 I was like, yeah, this cycle hasn't changed.

01:14:26.940 We are like, this is what like the covenant people show.

01:14:30.720 And a lot of times people are mad at me for like knocking the church.

01:14:33.000 But just show me, show me anywhere in the scripture where the covenant people are on track.

01:14:36.820 Right.

01:14:37.900 Right.

01:14:38.220 Like, like how arrogant do we have to be today to say, no, man, our 501c3 system is totally on track.

01:14:43.980 Crushing.

01:14:44.400 It's nowhere in the scripture, other than arguably the book of Acts.

01:14:47.920 Is like the church really on track, but they're so close to the Lord that he smokes Ananias and Sapphira in Acts chapter five.

01:14:55.100 I don't think we're that close to the Lord today where he's just dusting people at church because they've like lied.

01:15:01.640 You know what I'm saying?

01:15:02.680 Yeah.

01:15:02.840 Yeah.

01:15:03.060 How close do you think we are to like, I mean, I know it's common for every generation allegedly to say we're in the end times.

01:15:10.280 We're in the end times.

01:15:12.420 What do you think?

01:15:13.380 We're definitely closer than we were yesterday.

01:15:15.400 Well, that's for sure.

01:15:16.920 I don't know.

01:15:18.060 I don't know.

01:15:18.680 I don't really like get caught up in the charts and graphs and stuff.

01:15:21.760 But.

01:15:21.820 I see you looking at your books.

01:15:25.060 What are you looking at your books?

01:15:25.820 No, no.

01:15:26.140 I'm just spacing out like gather a thought.

01:15:31.660 So Israel went back in the land in 1948.

01:15:34.040 That started the clock as far as I'm concerned, because none of the none of the prophecies can come true until Israel's back in the land.

01:15:39.780 People say that's not valid.

01:15:40.740 That's not the one.

01:15:41.820 What do you mean?

01:15:42.500 Like that's not valid state of Israel.

01:15:44.740 That's just like something that.

01:15:46.020 A fake state of Israel.

01:15:46.920 Yeah.

01:15:47.280 But that would be a very, very bizarre coincidence if it was prophesied in the Bible, which which has to be right.

01:15:54.680 The Bible has to be right.

01:15:55.820 It would be a very strange coincidence if a people got kicked out of their land 2,000 years ago.

01:16:01.560 So think of like Trump, think of Trump, you know, how he's like, yo, Canada is going to be the 51st state.

01:16:06.980 OK, imagine if they became the 51st state.

01:16:09.660 How many years until people aren't Canadians anymore?

01:16:13.660 50 years.

01:16:14.700 Right.

01:16:15.000 100 years.

01:16:16.640 Yo, the Jews were kicked out of Israel for 2,000 years and retained their identity for 1,900 years.

01:16:22.480 They retained their identity.

01:16:24.540 And then in a day they became a nation again.

01:16:27.020 Like that's great.

01:16:27.980 Like that would be a bizarre coincidence if it's not really them.

01:16:30.440 When Jeremiah wrote Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Isaiah all prophesied.

01:16:35.500 Like God even says I was known as the God who will bring Israel out of Egypt.

01:16:39.080 But I'll be known as the God who brings Israel back from the four corners of the earth.

01:16:42.940 So that would be a strange prophecy if it wasn't real.

01:16:46.420 Like the fact that that happened like proves it has to be biblical because how else could that happen?

01:16:51.040 Like that's not even possible that they would retain their identity that long.

01:16:53.940 I'm sure you could think.

01:16:54.580 I mean, I'm not a historian, but I'm sure you can go through a lot of history, find a nation that was dissolved, and then their people didn't exist again.

01:17:03.100 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:03.880 50 to 100 years.

01:17:04.820 The weird thing about this stuff is like a lot of...

01:17:07.760 But that doesn't mean they do no wrong.

01:17:09.220 I'm not saying that.

01:17:09.680 No, no, no, no.

01:17:10.360 We have to read modern day Israel the same way we read like one kings, two kings, one chronicles, two chronicles.

01:17:15.760 There's evil kings that rule like Ahab, like ruling in a time of life.

01:17:20.000 That's an evil king, which I'm not saying that is or is not happening right now.

01:17:24.040 I'm just saying that's...

01:17:25.340 We have to understand Israel today the same way we understand Israel in the Bible.

01:17:29.820 Yeah.

01:17:30.220 Yeah.

01:17:30.560 A lot of what we're saying is like a lot of holdup for conspiracy theorists or even like political pundits and stuff.

01:17:36.000 But when we're talking about biblical prophecy, it's like, well, does biblical prophecy happen or is it like...

01:17:43.400 Because it feels like manufactured.

01:17:45.660 A lot of the prophecy that's folding out now, it feels like they just did that.

01:17:49.460 And people will point to that.

01:17:50.600 They'll say, oh, the Bible's not real.

01:17:53.980 It's essentially the playbook of the elites.

01:17:56.040 They give it to you so that when they act it out, you see it and say it divides the confirmation of it.

01:18:02.900 The Bible also doesn't say how this will happen.

01:18:04.680 And it says that it will happen.

01:18:06.200 That's true.

01:18:06.500 And it just happens.

01:18:07.300 And it's bizarre.

01:18:08.280 And I'm like, even for me, I'm like, I don't want to put that.

01:18:10.980 Well, that's because we've talked about that.

01:18:12.280 It's like, you know, think about like pestilence.

01:18:14.820 Right.

01:18:15.180 Sure.

01:18:16.140 But we can do that.

01:18:17.640 Right.

01:18:17.860 We have gain of function.

01:18:19.660 Yeah.

01:18:20.280 It doesn't say I'm going to send it.

01:18:22.320 He just says pestilence.

01:18:23.660 It's just going to happen.

01:18:24.400 Right.

01:18:24.840 And then when you think about war, well, we know that that happens by way of man.

01:18:29.140 That's all people, man.

01:18:30.020 So if war is happening by way of man, can pestilence happen by way of man?

01:18:34.900 Well, OK.

01:18:35.280 So in the Matthew 24 passage, which is what you're talking about, it says wars and famines and pestilence.

01:18:39.480 Even famine, though.

01:18:40.420 In far places.

01:18:41.240 Yeah.

01:18:41.420 But like with all that, that's like that's like this little smidgen.

01:18:45.540 Right.

01:18:45.800 And I feel like our Lord put that in there because it's not unique to any time period.

01:18:49.460 Like you're asking me how close are we?

01:18:51.360 Like our Lord laid it out as a riddle.

01:18:53.120 Like that's not unique to any time period.

01:18:55.420 Yeah.

01:18:55.700 One thing that I would say is unique to this time period is the scale of deception.

01:19:00.040 Because they start off.

01:19:01.000 He says the way he starts the whole thing.

01:19:03.000 They say, tell us about the end.

01:19:04.500 They ask three different questions, too.

01:19:06.160 It's not all one question.

01:19:07.240 They might have assumed they're asking one question.

01:19:09.020 They say, tell us about the end, tell us when the temple will be destroyed.

01:19:13.120 I forget exactly right off the top of my head, but we could read it.

01:19:16.100 But anyway, they ask these questions.

01:19:18.540 He opens up with let no man deceive you.

01:19:20.780 Then he says a little later, like, don't let false prophets deceive you.

01:19:24.080 And so like a key thing in that passage is deception, which like there's never the scale of deception that's possible.

01:19:31.840 They have never been possible before, bro.

01:19:33.920 Well, unless you're an advocate of like history that's been erased where they previously had unbelievable technology.

01:19:40.040 Then like, you know, we couldn't even battle.

01:19:41.720 Tartaria, like kind of what we were talking about before.

01:19:44.160 If you omit that for the sake of conversation, then it seems like we exist at a time that may be unprecedented where we have the ability to also create earthquakes, which is fascinating.

01:19:54.500 Sure, sure.

01:19:55.020 So it's like the layers of the weather, bro.

01:19:57.120 Like I used to think the weather was only 10,5 people or whatever, but now it's damn, bro.

01:20:01.260 Now you're telling me.

01:20:02.640 They're making it rain.

01:20:03.880 Florida just passed legislation.

01:20:05.520 No, you're right.

01:20:06.000 So wait.

01:20:06.360 So what are you guys saying?

01:20:07.300 You're saying that the debates are going to like make all this stuff happen?

01:20:10.720 Well, that's it.

01:20:11.660 Are you not aware of that?

01:20:12.460 So that's a thing that people are saying.

01:20:14.560 And I don't fault those people.

01:20:17.240 I go, that's fascinating.

01:20:18.540 You know, it's not what I believe, but I see what you're saying.

01:20:21.400 But it's also like, like, so let's say the, all right, this is biblical prophecy.

01:20:26.020 And if all of these boxes are checked, then this happens.

01:20:29.960 It's like, are these people trying to get to this point to make that happen faster?

01:20:34.300 Like, it's very confusing.

01:20:36.260 Maybe, bro.

01:20:36.380 Like the dude, Peter Thiel, like he's doing some weird stuff, bro.

01:20:39.600 Like, and he's like, he's like warning about the anti-crisis.

01:20:43.280 Like, bro, technology is like going to be the thing that like, maybe.

01:20:46.980 Well, we were going to have a guy on the, to say that it was Elon, but he was like.

01:20:50.400 Which who knows, where's Elon getting all his info?

01:20:52.520 You're telling me this dude can fly rockets and bring them back and dig tunnels.

01:20:55.840 Like the ancient tunnel technology, like under Peru.

01:20:59.060 That's a tunnel technology we don't have today, bro.

01:21:01.520 And he's doing what, the boring company?

01:21:02.880 Well, that's not, that's Jeremy.

01:21:03.800 Is that Jeremy boring?

01:21:04.860 Or am I just missing?

01:21:05.580 Jeremy boring.

01:21:08.820 He's got like all this information, like cars that run on batteries.

01:21:12.640 Yeah.

01:21:12.860 He said, no, no, no.

01:21:13.740 Nobody's going to be able to do that.

01:21:14.900 He's got like solar powered roofs.

01:21:16.920 They also said if you did that, they would just kill you.

01:21:19.120 And then it's like, no, apparently Elon just gets to build an entire industry and make

01:21:22.620 more money than anybody.

01:21:23.180 So it does make you wonder like, where's the, there's the first time I ever heard of this

01:21:25.620 guy and like, like Googled him.

01:21:27.020 I was like, yo, the first, the very first thing I thought was like, what entity is giving

01:21:30.300 him this?

01:21:30.740 Oh yeah.

01:21:31.080 And he's doing ketamine and he's going.

01:21:32.880 Yeah.

01:21:33.500 Ketamine entity.

01:21:34.480 The ketamine, whatever the ketamine entity.

01:21:35.880 Well, the most obvious one with Elon is the idea that he can actually bring about the

01:21:39.760 market.

01:21:40.080 It'd be something that would control.

01:21:41.680 Bro, he's putting the thing in the skull.

01:21:43.540 That's what I'm saying.

01:21:44.000 And Neuralink, so it would control, like there was a time where he wanted to make, I think

01:21:50.180 it was PayPal.

01:21:50.760 Was it PayPal?

01:21:52.020 Before PayPal was called PayPal, it was called X.

01:21:54.560 And that was actually Elon Musk's company.

01:21:56.540 And then he sold it off to whatever shareholders he had at the time.

01:21:59.560 It went his separate way.

01:22:01.380 And they called it PayPal.

01:22:02.440 And he had this idea still to this day that X is the everything app.

01:22:07.180 So there's a theory out there that eventually he's going to get to the point where he's

01:22:10.160 like, I'm going to do banking through X, which is interesting because through Twitter,

01:22:13.320 he's already doing monetary transactions to countless blue check verified people, myself

01:22:17.480 included.

01:22:18.400 So if he did create a banking system, let's just say that the dollar fell apart, which

01:22:25.900 I don't know why it would do that.

01:22:26.780 It doesn't seem like it's going to do that.

01:22:27.720 It seems like it's crushing.

01:22:28.340 You got a money machine.

01:22:29.620 Yeah, you just keep printing the money.

01:22:31.120 The dollar is falling apart.

01:22:33.160 I don't think that's true.

01:22:34.360 So let's just say, but if it did happen and it wouldn't, I think it's unlikely, but if

01:22:37.860 the dollar did fall apart and then Elon Musk steps in and he goes, hey, I've got, you

01:22:42.080 know, Neuralink and it's telling me I could save you guys via some sort of digital currency.

01:22:46.380 We've already got X in place.

01:22:47.840 We're already hooked up to all these different people in some sort of, you know, transaction,

01:22:51.160 whatever he's got.

01:22:52.000 I think it's hooked up to PayPal.

01:22:52.980 No, actually, I think it's hooked up straight.

01:22:55.080 Okay, strike, which goes straight to your bank account.

01:22:56.600 So if he creates a monetary system to go along with X and X truly becomes the everything

01:23:02.760 app, and then he's also got the ability to put it in your head or your hand, isn't that

01:23:07.740 the mark of the beast?

01:23:08.800 So if you, I'm just saying, if you go back historically, just talking about how close

01:23:12.680 are we, and I'm not saying we're super close, but I am saying this is why I asked.

01:23:15.660 When did we have the ability to do that?

01:23:16.740 Yeah, the World War II generation thought that was the end too.

01:23:19.580 And they did.

01:23:19.820 Right, but they didn't have the ability to do the mark of the beast.

01:23:22.480 The mission, the missions woman, I forget her name.

01:23:25.080 Melissa?

01:23:25.720 Melissa, yeah.

01:23:26.560 She's legit.

01:23:27.100 She's in Uganda right now.

01:23:28.220 Yeah, I know.

01:23:28.780 She's leaving, like, the day I was talking to her, and I was like, do you have any, like,

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01:24:01.960 Getting us towards...

01:24:02.920 Because this can't end.

01:24:04.960 All this stuff has to happen, but also the ends of the earth need to know about Jesus Christ.

01:24:10.140 And she's out there.

01:24:10.480 And then the end will come.

01:24:11.620 That's in that Matthew 24 passage.

01:24:13.240 That is the sign.

01:24:14.360 Yeah.

01:24:14.760 That's where it comes back.

01:24:15.460 So we're like, we are closer than ever, right?

01:24:17.260 I wonder what that...

01:24:18.220 We're closer than ever every day, though.

01:24:19.920 Well, can I go to the bathroom super quick?

01:24:21.600 Go pee.

01:24:21.940 Go pee.

01:24:22.680 I wish we had our toad clips pulled up so we could...

01:24:24.780 Oh, that's right.

01:24:26.280 I wonder how...

01:24:27.120 Oh, Matt.

01:24:27.680 Yeah.

01:24:28.520 Unconnect yourself.

01:24:28.840 Oh, we're going to hear you take a loop, dude.

01:24:30.540 We don't want to hear that.

01:24:31.340 Just unplug it.

01:24:32.380 Just unplug it from the little box.

01:24:33.740 There you go.

01:24:34.180 Now we're good.

01:24:34.560 There we go.

01:24:35.380 Okay.

01:24:35.620 Hopefully it's not true.

01:24:36.840 Leave the box.

01:24:37.600 Leave the box.

01:24:38.280 Leave the box back.

01:24:38.940 Come back, man.

01:24:39.620 All right.

01:24:41.660 Bring the box.

01:24:42.740 Leave the little blue box.

01:24:43.880 I was like, I'm like, what do you mean?

01:24:45.340 Just unplug it, dude?

01:24:46.220 The blue box.

01:24:47.000 It's got a speaker on.

01:24:47.980 It's got a mic on.

01:24:48.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:24:51.120 So I wonder what that would look like.

01:24:52.780 You could have had a piss cam.

01:24:53.840 That would have been...

01:24:54.440 Yeah.

01:24:55.040 That's a high quality.

01:24:55.960 Are the people saying anything of interest?

01:24:59.380 It seems like they're just listening.

01:25:01.080 Are they?

01:25:01.340 But there's no questions.

01:25:01.980 Do you want me to ask them to drop a question?

01:25:03.700 Yeah.

01:25:04.100 Well, no.

01:25:04.520 We could ask them.

01:25:05.320 They can hear us.

01:25:05.820 Drop a question.

01:25:06.700 You losers.

01:25:07.540 Here's a question for them.

01:25:08.260 Why haven't you bought coffee from the standard coffee shop?

01:25:10.920 Yeah.

01:25:11.200 Also, why haven't you visited TopLobster.com to see how wonderful it looks?

01:25:14.360 Great new website.

01:25:15.040 Yeah.

01:25:15.140 It actually is fantastic.

01:25:16.200 Anyway, what were we saying, dude?

01:25:17.080 Go ahead.

01:25:17.200 I wonder how we would know if there would be some indicator one way or another that like,

01:25:22.560 oh, that last quarter of the earth that didn't hear about Jesus Christ just happened.

01:25:27.800 Yeah, I don't know.

01:25:29.100 Shit would just pop off?

01:25:29.920 I think it's also constantly changing.

01:25:32.320 There's generations that are coming up that they haven't heard and maybe like leadership

01:25:36.280 falls out.

01:25:37.300 Somebody else comes in.

01:25:38.200 And so it's like, it's a constant maintenance effort to continue to do this.

01:25:42.880 I don't know.

01:25:43.700 It's interesting because sometimes I look at our analytics and it's like, Uganda.

01:25:47.660 You reached somebody in Belgium.

01:25:49.260 Yeah.

01:25:49.620 You reached somebody in Korea.

01:25:51.320 Exactly.

01:25:51.880 Like, oh man, we're getting dirty.

01:25:53.840 We're going to play a little role in that.

01:25:55.980 What if the last person, imagine the comedy of it all.

01:25:59.780 Yeah.

01:25:59.980 The last person is an NDS listener.

01:26:03.400 Yeah.

01:26:03.880 In Tibet.

01:26:04.580 It's like they heard a bunch of like racial slurs.

01:26:06.380 Yeah.

01:26:06.620 And also.

01:26:06.960 They got really into racism and then also byproduct.

01:26:11.860 Jesus Christ.

01:26:12.800 So they're sitting up there waiting for slurs on a mountain in Tibet and they go, wait a second.

01:26:17.220 Who's this guy?

01:26:18.140 I feel like it's also.

01:26:19.220 One of those things is also like, not just Matt's back.

01:26:24.740 Welcome back.

01:26:25.460 Did you tell Raven what I said about him?

01:26:26.880 By the way, I understand that.

01:26:29.840 By the way, 10 out of 10 clean bathroom.

01:26:31.980 Thanks, bro.

01:26:32.460 Great bathroom.

01:26:33.320 I appreciate it.

01:26:33.980 Clean bathroom.

01:26:35.040 I looked around.

01:26:35.680 I said clean because I was going to air him out.

01:26:37.360 I was going to come here and sit down and be like, how dare you?

01:26:39.400 I was going to be like, here's a little, some smudges on that seat.

01:26:41.540 Clean bathroom.

01:26:42.220 Beautiful bathroom.

01:26:42.620 Thanks, bro.

01:26:42.860 I judge a place, a coffee place.

01:26:44.900 I judge you like that.

01:26:45.740 Same, bro.

01:26:46.680 Does it work?

01:26:48.580 Yeah.

01:26:48.920 You're back on.

01:26:49.940 Okay.

01:26:50.080 You think that there's a, it's not just about like hearing about like, all right, there

01:26:55.580 is a guy, Jesus.

01:26:56.500 You think it's about like the level of message that's brought to these people for this prophecy

01:27:00.420 to be fulfilled?

01:27:01.000 Because I feel like if you just hear about it, it's like not really.

01:27:04.860 It almost becomes more meaningless.

01:27:06.200 It's like in James, it says demons know and tremble.

01:27:09.480 They even have an element of like faith.

01:27:11.900 Yeah.

01:27:12.080 Demons know and tremble.

01:27:13.440 They're not saved, dude.

01:27:14.240 You're only saved by your relationship with Christ.

01:27:17.680 Yeah.

01:27:17.760 And another thing we got to say that kind of goes hand in hand with the Elon putting

01:27:20.820 the thing in the skull is like, this is going to get weird.

01:27:24.400 Yeah.

01:27:24.500 You guys are good.

01:27:25.360 I just forgot.

01:27:26.360 I forgot where we were.

01:27:27.340 You're fine.

01:27:27.900 Jesus died for the descendants of Adam, right?

01:27:30.760 Like the Bible is a 6,000 year account of the descendants of Adam.

01:27:34.180 Yeah.

01:27:34.840 Like whatever was happening before our story picks up in the beginning, God created the heavens

01:27:39.220 and the earth and the earth was without form and void.

01:27:43.160 Who knows when that was?

01:27:44.720 By the way, I was at First Watch yesterday, right?

01:27:48.500 There was a dude that like sat across from us.

01:27:50.960 I know this is a crazy segue.

01:27:52.580 And he looked like a Satanist, his visage.

01:27:55.440 But he had a shirt like bald, had a goatee.

01:27:57.300 Yeah.

01:27:57.620 Did he?

01:27:58.620 Yes.

01:27:59.040 He looked like Anton LaVey.

01:28:00.340 Did he drive a primary automobile?

01:28:01.780 I noticed his shirt said Tiamat.

01:28:04.600 And this is what we're talking about.

01:28:05.400 We're talking about these, the dark waters when God makes this.

01:28:08.880 If you read the translation in the Greek, there's like a battle between like something

01:28:12.720 from the deep and God.

01:28:14.700 It's crazy.

01:28:15.220 And it's cool.

01:28:15.500 What are you talking about?

01:28:16.060 Like verse two?

01:28:17.340 Because it goes, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and the earth was

01:28:19.960 out form and void.

01:28:20.840 And then verse two, it goes, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

01:28:24.520 Yes.

01:28:24.980 The face of the deep.

01:28:26.280 Yeah.

01:28:26.500 And the spirit of God.

01:28:27.160 That's translated to Tiamat.

01:28:29.940 But I missed the part where it says, and the earth became without form and void.

01:28:33.340 So in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth and the earth became without

01:28:38.400 form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and the spirit of God hovered upon

01:28:41.800 water.

01:28:42.540 And God said, let there be light.

01:28:44.180 Right.

01:28:44.360 And then he starts creating.

01:28:45.960 Evening and morning is the first day.

01:28:47.440 Evening and morning is the second day.

01:28:48.760 On and on.

01:28:49.880 So you're saying that God pieced up some underwater preacher?

01:28:53.980 Yeah.

01:28:54.160 I don't know about that.

01:28:55.040 It sounds cool.

01:28:55.760 But I do.

01:28:56.040 It sounds cool.

01:28:57.420 I'll give you a better.

01:28:58.060 The water was there.

01:28:59.460 The water was there before the creation story started.

01:29:02.100 Chaotic primordial waters.

01:29:03.540 Something's going on already.

01:29:05.200 I mean, obviously something's going on because God was doing something 6,001 years ago.

01:29:09.880 Right.

01:29:10.180 Like he was doing something a billion years ago.

01:29:12.780 So like also, like we don't have the story of the, like the creation of the angels.

01:29:18.440 Like we don't have that.

01:29:19.500 But in Ezekiel, I think Isaiah alludes to it too.

01:29:22.300 He talks about how this dude Lucifer got his ass thrown out.

01:29:25.340 He got thrown out.

01:29:26.440 Well, where our story picks up, he's already a bad guy.

01:29:29.140 Yeah.

01:29:29.220 Like something was happening before like this 6,000 year account of the descendants of Adam.

01:29:34.180 But nevertheless, like that's what the Bible's about.

01:29:36.660 It's an account of the descendants of Adam.

01:29:38.420 Right.

01:29:38.640 And that's who Jesus died for.

01:29:40.920 So the question does become like, at what point do you tinker with a descendant of Adam to the point where he's no longer a descendant of Adam?

01:29:49.040 This is what we were talking about on the show the other day.

01:29:51.660 That always happens.

01:29:52.380 We're talking about the Nephilim basically.

01:29:53.940 Yeah.

01:29:54.120 It's like hybrids of Fallen Angel and whatever, which could even be cryptids.

01:29:59.640 I mean, you get like Dogman and Chimeric Creations.

01:30:02.340 Chimeric Creations, Bigfoot are like the new bitch.

01:30:04.760 Did you all read Enoch?

01:30:05.800 I think Enoch discusses some of that.

01:30:07.640 I'm not super familiar with it.

01:30:08.920 Well, I didn't read Enoch.

01:30:10.600 I listened to the audiobook versions.

01:30:12.160 Nice.

01:30:12.660 Yeah.

01:30:13.200 All right.

01:30:14.920 Read and watch the pictures.

01:30:16.540 I didn't watch the pictures.

01:30:17.440 I would have liked it more if there was a picture.

01:30:18.960 Actually, there was a version that was created by AI and I felt wrong watching it.

01:30:22.380 It's like an AI generated Enoch movie.

01:30:23.980 Those are weird, bro.

01:30:24.860 I was like, I don't want to.

01:30:25.860 I don't know if I want to read that.

01:30:26.940 So what do you think was going on beforehand then?

01:30:29.580 Before Adam?

01:30:30.280 You're saying you believe in pre-Anonite stuff?

01:30:31.760 On Earth.

01:30:33.220 Bro, I don't know.

01:30:33.980 I mean, I guess at a certain point of speculation, but definitely like angelic stuff.

01:30:37.880 Right.

01:30:37.960 Definitely that, because we have the story.

01:30:40.740 Definitely spirit realm stuff.

01:30:42.900 There are those people who think that there was actually some sort of pre-Anonite race.

01:30:47.520 Well, that's that bared resemblance to human beings.

01:30:49.340 But we might have that in the Bible.

01:30:51.340 We might have that in, is it two, where he says, let us make man in our image?

01:30:55.400 And then if you read that, he gives those humans totally different instructions than what he says to Adam.

01:31:01.680 And Adam's in the garden.

01:31:03.480 Adam's not, the garden isn't the entire earth.

01:31:05.560 The garden's the garden.

01:31:06.400 Adam's in the garden.

01:31:08.280 You're saying that Jesus came for the descendants of Adam, but belief in Jesus gets you grafted onto the vine, right?

01:31:15.960 So that doesn't, it's not like a, it's not a genetic thing, right?

01:31:18.600 Because dealing in this conversation, genetics comes up a lot, especially when it comes to the fall and the Nephilim and things like that.

01:31:24.420 But when it comes to like the lineage of Adam, it's really belief in Jesus.

01:31:30.420 And yeah, but a Nephilim can't get saved no matter how much they believe in Jesus.

01:31:33.460 That's what I'm saying, bro.

01:31:35.140 Do you think that there's people out there?

01:31:37.140 Jesus died for the descendants of Adam.

01:31:38.840 Yeah.

01:31:39.080 Like that's, it's not like, like, I think I'm pretty sure there's Catholic literature that says that they'll baptize aliens and stuff.

01:31:45.100 Look it up.

01:31:45.580 That's what the, that's what the, I don't know if it's literature.

01:31:48.120 Did L.A. Marzulli talk about that?

01:31:49.340 Y'all had L.A. Marzulli.

01:31:50.200 I mean, I don't know if Marzulli talked about it with us.

01:31:52.220 He talks a lot about it.

01:31:52.880 Did you guys have Timothy Arvarino?

01:31:54.240 We've also talked about him.

01:31:55.120 Timothy Arvarino, how about you guys?

01:31:56.320 Well, I differ on pretty substantially.

01:31:59.480 We got Arvarino to conceive.

01:32:01.200 He's still rad.

01:32:01.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:32:03.180 He knows about the tunnel systems in Peru.

01:32:05.300 He'll talk about it.

01:32:06.020 I know about the tunnel systems in New York, but he, so, all right.

01:32:08.680 No, seriously, though, there's tunnel systems all throughout.

01:32:14.860 Oh, yeah.

01:32:15.320 Yeah.

01:32:15.620 We couldn't do today.

01:32:17.000 It's like, there was definitely something.

01:32:18.880 I mean, look at the pyramids.

01:32:19.940 We should bring Matt with us.

01:32:22.300 Would you come with us to Indiana?

01:32:25.280 What's in Indiana?

01:32:26.920 Tunnels.

01:32:27.920 The subterranean throne room of fall.

01:32:31.560 You don't want to go there?

01:32:32.640 I don't really want to go there either.

01:32:33.600 We can go and claim it for, in the name of Jesus.

01:32:36.580 No, we got to go back on track.

01:32:38.040 Wait, is it around, like, giant burial mounds?

01:32:40.900 He's like, we got to get back on Tully Moore.

01:32:42.980 Yeah, dog is.

01:32:44.680 Is it?

01:32:45.420 Yeah, so you get the mountain.

01:32:46.200 Yeah, well, the north has, like, tons of burial mounds, man.

01:32:51.540 I was going to say, something about the genetic component,

01:32:53.760 something about whether or not it applies, because we're talking.

01:32:57.300 So you think that we're all the descendants of Adam?

01:33:00.520 Do you think that there's any people, like,

01:33:01.980 maybe someone who walk into your coffee shop is not?

01:33:04.400 There's a non-human entity?

01:33:06.080 Yeah, you think so.

01:33:07.620 I like that question.

01:33:08.820 That's a crazy, that's a crazy thought.

01:33:10.140 Well, not to be.

01:33:11.840 Do it.

01:33:12.540 Don't, don't, don't.

01:33:13.380 No, I know.

01:33:13.840 I just don't want anybody to get, like, the wrong idea.

01:33:15.680 They've already got them.

01:33:16.460 So I was tripping on acid when I was, like, 16 in San Francisco on 420.

01:33:21.200 It was, like, Timothy Leary's birthday.

01:33:22.720 It was, like, this big thing.

01:33:23.440 So we all cut class, and we were tripping.

01:33:25.960 And so this is not valid in any way, shape, or form.

01:33:29.740 This next statement is not valid.

01:33:31.000 Okay.

01:33:31.180 I'm just, I'm just saying this is part of my story.

01:33:33.960 Like, this is part of the story.

01:33:34.920 I was definitely on the street in San Francisco, and I was, like, some of these people are not people.

01:33:41.180 That's interesting.

01:33:41.820 These are definitely, like, non-human entities.

01:33:44.380 And I mean, but the scripture is playing.

01:33:46.000 So that's, just put that off to the side.

01:33:48.040 That's probably not super relevant.

01:33:51.000 I'm not even saying that.

01:33:51.960 I'm just saying, like, in Hebrews, he says, the writer of Hebrews says, be careful entertaining strangers, because some of them entertain angels unaware.

01:34:03.880 So, and we know there's all these passages where angels are on the planet and look just like men.

01:34:09.660 Like, it happened in Saab.

01:34:10.960 They wanted to bone them.

01:34:11.920 Yeah, that's right.

01:34:12.960 They're all horned up.

01:34:13.500 Get those dudes out here.

01:34:14.760 Yeah, imagine that.

01:34:16.820 That's sodomy, bro.

01:34:17.860 It's not just homosexuality.

01:34:19.360 It's like a violent homosexuality.

01:34:20.920 That's a crazy, we're not even reached at you.

01:34:22.780 It's like demanding that you, demanding that you, like, I used to love snorting OxyCons and Coke, but I never wanted to have a parade and demand that you accept my lifestyle of snorting OxyCons and Coke.

01:34:34.240 Well, even that, demanding you accept the lifestyle is one thing.

01:34:36.360 Demanding your cheeks is another thing.

01:34:37.740 You're getting into fornication.

01:34:39.320 Fair point.

01:34:40.080 Fornication is not just a sexual sin.

01:34:41.980 It's a spiritual sexual sin.

01:34:43.800 And that's what they were trying to do.

01:34:44.880 So, like, the implication in that story is they're almost trying to create Nephilim.

01:34:49.860 Like, if you take an angel and you read it.

01:34:52.620 But did they know they were angels?

01:34:53.880 I mean, who knows?

01:34:54.700 I think they had to.

01:34:55.420 If they were like, yo, those guys.

01:34:56.460 I mean, they called them specifically.

01:34:57.760 Yeah, but if you knew it was angels, why would your joke to be like, I gotta bang?

01:35:01.140 Well, I mean, if you understand the power, if you understood the power, like, I could have offspring that could then ruin.

01:35:07.380 I never thought about that.

01:35:08.520 That would require.

01:35:09.520 As far as I know, can't create a baby, but what do I know?

01:35:12.340 Well, that would require you having some knowledge.

01:35:14.700 The average person in Sodom having some, you know, elevated knowledge.

01:35:19.360 Well, I think that they did.

01:35:20.260 If you're dealing.

01:35:20.880 The reason that it was Sodom and Gomorrah is probably because they were dealing in the occult.

01:35:25.080 They were dealing in some dark sucks.

01:35:26.720 Well, that's a tricky thing, though, bro, because, like, it almost doesn't look like that.

01:35:30.700 It looks like that was the warning to Israel about all of Canaan, like, was absorbed in the occult, like, big time.

01:35:37.100 Sodom and Gomorrah looks like it was just worldly.

01:35:39.180 Because Ezekiel, what is it, like, 16?

01:35:43.040 He talks about that, that, like, their sin was that they didn't take care of the poor and that they didn't, they were prideful.

01:35:51.220 They didn't take care of the poor.

01:35:52.600 They had an abundance of food.

01:35:54.260 I mean, it looks just like America is what they're describing, which is, like, that was the sin of Sodom.

01:35:58.580 So it wasn't necessarily, like, witchcraft and sorcery.

01:36:01.700 It wasn't explicitly stated, but I almost feel like it's a given just if you look at patterns throughout history.

01:36:07.060 It's, like, every time we get to that point of decadence and having an excess, disregarding the poor, there's also all kinds of spiritually bankrupt crap going on.

01:36:16.140 It's also, like, they knew, like, in that time period, it seems like it was more common knowledge to understand what this, what the spiritual aspect was.

01:36:23.520 Sure, sure.

01:36:23.980 Because it doesn't, that part never made sense to me.

01:36:26.420 Like, they see the angels walk through, and it seems like they identify them as angels.

01:36:30.280 Not just, maybe they were just really handsome.

01:36:32.220 I don't know.

01:36:32.740 I never looked at it like that.

01:36:33.800 I always looked at it like they just thought they were, like, yeah, good-looking dudes.

01:36:37.320 That's why.

01:36:38.040 But who knows?

01:36:38.560 Maybe they did.

01:36:39.440 That's a whole other level.

01:36:40.700 I mean, that's a whole level.

01:36:41.640 But nevertheless, in Hebrews, he says, like, people entertain humans, entertain angels unaware.

01:36:46.580 Right, yeah.

01:36:47.000 So be careful how you interact with strangers.

01:36:48.860 What else could you be entertaining?

01:36:50.600 If you could entertain angels.

01:36:51.680 If an angel, an angel doesn't necessarily mean one that's in, like, God's grace, it could be a fallen angel as well.

01:36:57.520 So, like, you're dealing with a plethora and a spectrum of good and evil.

01:37:02.280 Bro, in the unseen realm, yeah, there's a ton of stuff.

01:37:04.940 There's, like, common angels, right?

01:37:06.680 Good and bad.

01:37:07.540 There's archangels.

01:37:08.620 There's chariots and horses of fire.

01:37:11.980 Like, Elijah gets taken up by horses and chariots of fire.

01:37:15.180 Boom, he's out of there.

01:37:16.020 There's seraphim, cherubim.

01:37:17.980 There's tons of stuff in the unseen realm.

01:37:20.560 So when you saw these people, like, to the best of your memory, what, like, tipped you off on them?

01:37:27.240 Like, what made you feel this way?

01:37:28.720 I mean, it was San Francisco, bro.

01:37:31.440 I knew San Francisco was weird, but I was just, I don't know, that day, it was like, bro, like, I don't know, man.

01:37:39.740 And I never thought anything like that, especially back then.

01:37:42.160 And you're always told that there's nothing extraterrestrial.

01:37:44.860 Everything is just, everything is what you see, you know?

01:37:47.320 When you left California, how much of it was because of the spiritual component?

01:37:51.240 Bro, it was all because of it.

01:37:52.960 I mean, I didn't know it then.

01:37:54.400 I had no clue then, because I wasn't really walking with the Lord then.

01:37:57.560 But I had read enough of the Bible that, like, in this weird way, bro, I totally connected with the story of Abraham.

01:38:03.340 He's like, get out of here.

01:38:05.680 Like, he tells him, he grabs him from Ur of the Caldees.

01:38:08.200 He says, bro, I'm going to take you, and I'm going to, like, do something with you.

01:38:11.820 And I was taking a piss in Tahoe one time on ecstasy.

01:38:16.020 I was just, like, driving to the-

01:38:17.620 What a crazy sentence.

01:38:18.900 Taking a piss in Tahoe on ecstasy.

01:38:21.200 I'm just saying on the side of the road.

01:38:22.420 So I was just, like, you know, the smell of Tahoe.

01:38:25.560 It's, like, snow on the ground and the pines, like, the red woods.

01:38:28.340 It just, like, smells incredible.

01:38:29.500 Yeah, and I was going to start, you're tripping, and the stars are right there.

01:38:33.640 They are right there.

01:38:34.380 Like, it's, there's no light.

01:38:35.460 There's no, like, you're not near a city.

01:38:37.480 So it's just, like, so clear.

01:38:39.100 And I'm just pissing, and just overwhelmingly, bro, just this thing in me was, like, you have to get out of California.

01:38:46.160 Like, you have to leave.

01:38:48.080 So I know that's bad theology, too.

01:38:49.760 I get it.

01:38:50.220 I'm not, I'm not saying people should do ecstasy.

01:38:52.600 God's going to tell you to leave California.

01:38:53.820 I'm not saying that.

01:38:54.360 I'm just saying that, that happened to me.

01:38:56.240 Like, that happened to me.

01:38:57.040 So I didn't know back then that was, like, a spiritual thing.

01:39:00.100 But then, now I look back, and I'm, like, damn, yeah.

01:39:03.180 Like, I just, I totally related to that story.

01:39:05.840 What year was that?

01:39:08.420 That would have been 2000 or 2001.

01:39:11.320 So not even nearly as bad as it is today.

01:39:14.080 What do you mean?

01:39:14.660 California today is insanity.

01:39:16.360 Well, no, and I wasn't even blaming California.

01:39:18.260 It was me was the issue.

01:39:19.800 You know what I mean?

01:39:20.460 So you were trying to get away from all of that, I guess, temptation?

01:39:23.540 Dude, I grew up in the raddest town ever, bro.

01:39:25.600 It was, like, just the neatest, coolest town.

01:39:27.420 But, yeah, I just, like, my life just went off the rails, dude.

01:39:31.080 So, but, yeah.

01:39:32.260 And then I got a Bible, yeah.

01:39:33.420 And the Lord was just, like, bro, I got to, like, I'm not going to be able to deal with you here, more or less.

01:39:37.180 It's kind of how I look at it now.

01:39:38.880 Yeah.

01:39:39.260 Yeah.

01:39:39.680 So, yeah.

01:39:42.420 So leaving there, yeah.

01:39:43.640 I mean, now I, like, yeah, it was the call of God, dude.

01:39:46.300 Like, he places you where he wants you on the earth.

01:39:48.440 Do you have friends back home still?

01:39:50.180 Uh, dude, I have people that I love in California with all my heart.

01:39:54.820 I don't really have, um, a ton of people I, like, keep in touch with.

01:40:00.120 So I'm not a good friend, bro, because I'm, like, I'm the same way to you.

01:40:03.160 Because I'm, like, super tight with the Lord, and it's just, like, that's in my family.

01:40:06.880 You know what I mean?

01:40:07.460 And I have a farm, and I have a coffee shop, and I just kind of, like, I'm just a bad friend to, like, keep in touch and stuff.

01:40:13.240 And I don't really care about the ball game, or Justin Beaver, or the Kardashians.

01:40:16.340 I just don't care about all of this.

01:40:17.620 Those are all for now.

01:40:17.920 He said everything wrong.

01:40:19.700 He said Justin Beaver, the Kardashians.

01:40:22.000 It's like, it doesn't really do any of your, so when, at any point, was anybody like, yeah, what are you doing?

01:40:28.440 Like, why are you leaving?

01:40:29.200 Why are you pursuing this, like, Christianity?

01:40:31.980 They threw a party for him.

01:40:32.940 Well, no, they didn't know.

01:40:34.040 I wasn't pursuing Christianity.

01:40:34.380 At the time, but I'm saying, like, once they found out.

01:40:37.000 No, bro, there wasn't, like, Facebook and Instagram back then.

01:40:40.100 Like, I just lost touch with everybody.

01:40:41.860 Yeah.

01:40:42.040 I just lost touch.

01:40:44.060 Like, there's people.

01:40:45.180 They were throwing a party for me.

01:40:46.480 Okay, here's what happened.

01:40:47.400 I was a flooring installer.

01:40:48.480 I did carpet.

01:40:49.440 My next-door neighbor was a carpet installer, so I went to work from full-time when I was 16.

01:40:53.720 So the week that I was leaving Cali and moving to Texas, I had to work, and then I got my paycheck the next Friday.

01:41:03.240 You know what I'm saying?

01:41:03.980 So my boss was like, bro, I know you're just going to wait.

01:41:06.720 And I was going to spend that week, like, packing my stuff.

01:41:08.780 So that Friday, my boss was like, bro, I'll just pay you now.

01:41:12.500 You don't need to wait until next week.

01:41:14.020 I got the money, and again, like, something to me was like, you have to go now, bro.

01:41:18.440 You got to go.

01:41:19.360 Like, if you don't go now, you're never going to go.

01:41:21.820 Something crazy is going to happen.

01:41:23.040 Like you said, this overwhelming feeling.

01:41:24.540 So I packed up my pit bull puppy.

01:41:26.040 I grabbed all my stuff.

01:41:27.320 I had a minivan at the time.

01:41:28.440 I threw it all in the minivan, and I bounced.

01:41:30.680 And so, like, they were throwing a party for me that night.

01:41:33.040 Like, all my boys were looking at this.

01:41:33.940 You bounced on the party?

01:41:34.920 Yeah, they were calling me, and they were leaving voicemails and stuff, bro.

01:41:38.300 I was driving through the desert.

01:41:39.120 And you were just white-knuckling it?

01:41:40.180 Yeah, dude.

01:41:41.360 I was, like, crying when I left, too, man.

01:41:43.240 I was like, damn, this is crazy.

01:41:44.960 I was, like, driving through the desert, and the sun was setting.

01:41:48.020 And then, like, I don't know.

01:41:50.700 Whatever it was, you didn't feel like you could wait that one more night because that party.

01:41:53.420 Bro, I packed my stuff, and I was, like, afraid.

01:41:55.080 That party probably would have been back for you.

01:41:56.860 Who knows, dude?

01:41:58.080 Who knows?

01:41:58.740 But, yeah, I got a bunch of voicemails and stuff.

01:42:01.200 Where are you, man?

01:42:02.120 We're at the party.

01:42:03.060 Did you ever explain it to anybody?

01:42:04.160 No, dude.

01:42:05.040 Why?

01:42:05.320 You just left, left like that?

01:42:06.620 Oh, I just was gone, man.

01:42:07.960 Love the style.

01:42:08.920 It's wild.

01:42:09.560 I respect it.

01:42:10.060 I'm still like that when I leave a party.

01:42:11.660 So, if we're at a party or something, and you don't, like, I'm just gone.

01:42:13.980 I love just leave it.

01:42:15.280 Yeah.

01:42:15.520 It's the best.

01:42:16.120 You start saying goodbye, bro.

01:42:17.660 Maybe that's where I get it from, dude.

01:42:19.280 Like, I don't want to say goodbye.

01:42:20.340 It's just telling people to say, yeah, I got to touch you all night off.

01:42:23.360 And, you know, you're there for two hours.

01:42:25.120 Yeah.

01:42:25.380 I'm getting up early tomorrow.

01:42:26.840 Like, I just.

01:42:28.460 Yeah, I just left, bro.

01:42:29.800 Yeah, that was crazy.

01:42:30.740 I mean, I guess that was a wild one, dude.

01:42:32.220 It was like, it was my life.

01:42:33.180 So, I was like, yeah, no, that's normal.

01:42:34.340 But I guess now when I tell the story, I was like, yeah, that's crazy.

01:42:36.800 Well, I mean, I don't think it's too crazy.

01:42:38.460 Because, like I said, I also like doing that.

01:42:39.920 But I don't do that at parties that are thrown for me.

01:42:42.120 I like the idea of listening to whatever that voice is inside of you.

01:42:48.220 Yeah.

01:42:48.560 And just doing it.

01:42:49.700 Yeah.

01:42:49.820 And I've been doing that a lot.

01:42:51.100 And I've been doing a lot of weird stuff.

01:42:52.400 But it's kind of led me here.

01:42:53.720 You asked me when I came in.

01:42:54.700 You're like, why the hell are you, like, in this place doing what you're doing?

01:42:57.700 I'm like, I don't know.

01:42:58.560 Yeah.

01:42:58.920 It's the same kind of thing.

01:42:59.560 It was like, one day I went to my wife.

01:43:01.280 And I was like, I put the house up for sale in New York City.

01:43:03.400 And she's like, you did what?

01:43:04.540 How bad were you?

01:43:06.280 Yeah.

01:43:07.440 She was just like, she's super good.

01:43:09.140 Yeah.

01:43:09.940 She was like, why?

01:43:10.680 And I was just like, just, it's up for sale.

01:43:13.280 I mean, at that point, you had to be tired of just New York.

01:43:15.580 I was.

01:43:16.100 But there's a lot of inaction that happens, right?

01:43:17.980 There's a lot of, I'm going to do it.

01:43:19.340 I'm going to do it.

01:43:20.140 And I'm just like, it's done.

01:43:22.240 Yeah.

01:43:22.520 And we'll see what's going on now.

01:43:23.140 I can't stand that.

01:43:24.000 I don't like the inaction thing.

01:43:25.880 And I think that's the only difference between people that pull off anything and those who

01:43:29.940 don't are just like, are you stuck in that?

01:43:32.520 You get satisfied by talking about it.

01:43:34.380 You know what I mean?

01:43:34.780 There's a certain psychological alleviation that comes from, like, talking about your plans, where

01:43:38.960 you go, ah, almost like it's off you for a little bit until it comes back again.

01:43:42.360 And then you talk about it again and you still don't do it.

01:43:44.060 I know so many people, I hate this town.

01:43:46.600 I want to move from this town.

01:43:47.680 I hate this job.

01:43:48.500 I want to leave this job.

01:43:49.540 I want to do this thing.

01:43:50.520 It's really my passion.

01:43:51.620 And they just talk about it and they never do it.

01:43:54.420 And I look back and they're the exact same place that I left them.

01:43:58.800 And I go, like, your diet.

01:44:02.180 Yeah, I noticed that, too, when I would go back to Cali, like, when I'd go back to visit.

01:44:06.700 Yeah, so I can't even tell, because I'd go back to visit, I'd see people.

01:44:09.580 Yeah.

01:44:09.860 But I would think that, too.

01:44:10.860 I'd be like, damn, that's, like, you're just kind of, like, we used to chill at this

01:44:14.400 bar and, like, you're still at the same seat.

01:44:16.840 Now you love the Lord.

01:44:17.660 You're stagnant.

01:44:18.160 Well, I'm going back to see some, I got, you know, friends and family this couple of

01:44:25.320 weeks.

01:44:25.920 And I haven't seen them in four years.

01:44:28.080 And a lot has changed in four years.

01:44:29.640 Sure.

01:44:30.280 And I am anticipating a lot of awkward conversations.

01:44:33.700 You're like, oh, so you're a cop now.

01:44:34.640 Well, people who know you the closest, bro, are going to mock you.

01:44:37.580 Oh, yeah.

01:44:38.160 Well, I just, like, I don't even, those people are gone from my life now.

01:44:40.900 Yeah.

01:44:41.240 So, truthfully, I don't even know who I'm going to see.

01:44:44.660 Like, who do I even tell that I'm back?

01:44:46.480 Dude, I've seen some of my boys, actually, though.

01:44:48.580 Like, my boys from my childhood, when the Niners played the box this last year.

01:44:53.760 Don't know what that means.

01:44:55.360 The 49ers played the Buckeyes.

01:44:57.200 So, the game was in Tampa, and they were all flying out to watch the Niners play.

01:45:00.780 I was like, and they all wanted to meet.

01:45:01.820 I was like, bro, I'll be there.

01:45:02.920 So, I got to see some of my boys from my week.

01:45:04.560 Was it cool?

01:45:05.500 It was very cool.

01:45:06.440 Were you worried it was not going to be cool?

01:45:07.960 No, no, no, no.

01:45:09.660 Dude, the craziest thing is, like, these are my guys.

01:45:11.840 Some of them I knew since I was, like, seven.

01:45:13.600 Some of them I knew since I was, like, ten.

01:45:14.940 That's awesome.

01:45:15.400 14.

01:45:16.460 And, like, you don't miss a beat.

01:45:19.360 Yeah.

01:45:19.600 That's the craziest thing.

01:45:21.180 Like, you see them.

01:45:22.380 You haven't seen them for 20 years.

01:45:23.880 And, like, you don't miss a beat.

01:45:25.140 They're your boys, bro.

01:45:26.120 Like, they're just, you knew them your whole life.

01:45:28.060 Yeah.

01:45:28.480 So, no, it was kind of neat, man.

01:45:30.300 It was kind of, it was just, like, so weird.

01:45:33.260 It was like I was in a time machine.

01:45:34.540 Yeah.

01:45:35.020 Isn't it interesting, though?

01:45:36.020 I think it is, going back to what I said before, that culture that's been created around Christianity,

01:45:40.280 where, like, I will fully admit and have before that, before realizing that this was important.

01:45:48.080 I was like, this is kind of, like, cringe and gay.

01:45:51.740 What do you mean?

01:45:52.380 The church thing?

01:45:53.740 All of it.

01:45:54.780 The Bible, everything.

01:45:55.760 Like, before I decided to give it its due diligence, I was, I had these presuppositions about it that were entirely handed to me by a fabricated culture.

01:46:08.180 Yeah, yeah, I thought it was, like, rules for popes and nuns and, like, how to make stained glass.

01:46:11.880 And I assumed it was going to be stupid, too.

01:46:13.800 That's a wild stain.

01:46:14.340 Yeah, like, I assumed it was going to be, like, oh, now I have to be a dork.

01:46:18.180 Yeah, yeah, now I've got to be a dork.

01:46:19.800 Yeah.

01:46:19.920 Right, right.

01:46:20.540 And I don't know.

01:46:22.700 I'm just, I know it's going to be interesting because the same way I shook that off, you know, none of the people back home have shaken that off.

01:46:30.020 And I'm not begrudging them.

01:46:31.800 It took me a long time to do that.

01:46:35.100 And now I've been doing it for a short amount of time.

01:46:37.040 It's all I've got to turn around and be like, you guys haven't gotten with it yet.

01:46:39.800 Well, that's the mistake we make in the early days, bro.

01:46:42.660 Yeah.

01:46:42.980 I wonder how many things I butchered in the early days where I did do that.

01:46:46.980 Yeah.

01:46:47.360 And then finally, by the grace of God, one day I was like, bro, just shut up.

01:46:51.040 Yeah.

01:46:51.400 Like, shut up and just live this life.

01:46:53.540 Just be close to God.

01:46:55.200 Live this life.

01:46:56.280 You're in the long game.

01:46:57.880 It's not like telling everybody that they need to be a Christian.

01:47:00.520 Like, just shut up.

01:47:01.560 Right.

01:47:01.760 Just live it.

01:47:02.280 What are you going to do the next time, like, a lockdown happens and they come in here and they behead you?

01:47:06.340 I'm game, bro.

01:47:07.500 I'm game.

01:47:08.280 It's funny you say that because there was this dude coming in.

01:47:10.660 He's like a, he's like one of these guys.

01:47:13.820 He wants your money for the, for like, he's like a finance guy.

01:47:17.040 You're retirement.

01:47:17.760 He wants you to like, give him your money for retirement.

01:47:20.520 And so he came in a few times, like a nice guy.

01:47:22.480 And then like the third or fourth time, I was like, bro, bro, I, you might have a misconception of what's going on here, dude.

01:47:27.640 Like, I don't have any money, like for one, but that's why, that's why you need to get your money.

01:47:35.580 So I was like, he had his boss in this day too.

01:47:40.000 But I was like, dude, enough is enough, bro.

01:47:42.040 So I was like, listen, man, I don't anticipate my life.

01:47:44.960 And like the retirement years going on cruises and playing golf and like sitting in a skateboard chair and being like comfortable and living in luxury.

01:47:51.640 Like I'm planning on preaching the gospel, being persecuted for it.

01:47:55.200 Yeah.

01:47:55.680 Probably put in jail and then maybe being killed for it.

01:47:59.240 Yeah.

01:47:59.380 Yeah.

01:47:59.640 So like this whole time.

01:48:00.680 That's my retirement plan.

01:48:02.200 Yeah.

01:48:02.720 Yo, that's a banger of a shirt.

01:48:04.280 That's a t-shirt.

01:48:05.060 That is a t-shirt.

01:48:05.800 Bro, this is, so I, so like this whole thing, like I'm just not with it, bro.

01:48:09.340 Yeah.

01:48:09.680 Then he, he never came back after that, bro.

01:48:11.700 That was like the fourth time and he came with the boss.

01:48:14.400 I was like, what is all these American people's concept of like, and they're, they're Christians, but they're just going to be like wealthy, luxurious living in retirement.

01:48:24.060 You know what that is?

01:48:24.560 That's the same energy that goes like pre-rapture.

01:48:27.320 I'm going to be there.

01:48:28.100 This is what keeps people.

01:48:28.620 I just want to preach the gospel, bro.

01:48:30.080 Like all the way to the end.

01:48:31.460 If I'm 120, I want to be grinding hard, even if I'm barefoot and just like walking around.

01:48:35.440 I don't want to be, I can't go to a place where it's just like, I'll go to a beach for a day.

01:48:39.240 I want to leave after like three hours.

01:48:41.400 That's a lot.

01:48:42.100 Three hours is a lot.

01:48:42.760 At my old job, that's what kept people there.

01:48:44.980 Like I see.

01:48:45.420 The dream of the beach and the little drink.

01:48:46.780 Well, but it's like the 25, they used to say 25 to life because it's like a 25 year retirement.

01:48:51.200 So they've extended it now.

01:48:53.200 But they'll, they'll be like, oh, I got like a couple more years and I get my pension and then I get this and I get that.

01:48:59.080 And then I could chill and retire.

01:49:00.360 And I'm like, why do you think that's going to be there?

01:49:03.460 Like, are you paying attention to the trends?

01:49:05.080 Like, yeah, you've got it.

01:49:06.220 Like, but who cares?

01:49:07.040 You don't even need all that.

01:49:08.140 They're like, it's all this thing.

01:49:09.180 It's like, you got to have a million dollars to retire.

01:49:10.860 I'm like, bro, I'm going to live on a food forest and like eat my own stuff.

01:49:13.700 You know what happens when you retire?

01:49:15.000 Can you?

01:49:15.520 And I'm not going on cruises and like golf courses and stuff.

01:49:17.520 And I don't, what is American's issue with like luxury in the church?

01:49:20.440 If we're being honest, like luxury and comfort.

01:49:23.140 Like at my house, dude, I have this thing.

01:49:25.100 I go in, I go like this.

01:49:27.080 Bro, any temperature I want of water comes out, dude.

01:49:29.700 It's like, and it's frankly water.

01:49:31.040 It's like, and bro, if you're grinding on a farm, that's like, bro, that's like such

01:49:37.380 a luxury to shower with any temp.

01:49:39.440 And I can push buttons on my wall.

01:49:41.200 I get any temperature I want in my house.

01:49:42.580 You know, but the truth of the matter is if you work all your life, when you retire and

01:49:45.820 you stop moving, you die.

01:49:47.160 Yeah.

01:49:47.420 I'm not going to do that.

01:49:47.880 I have seen that happen to people like loved ones, family members.

01:49:51.480 My dad at work in the house.

01:49:52.420 Yeah.

01:49:52.840 Yeah.

01:49:53.420 He whips his dad.

01:49:54.600 I like that.

01:49:55.160 No, your dad's grimy.

01:49:56.180 I like this dude.

01:49:58.320 They're like, boy, you call us.

01:50:01.340 You ever come over and you, and you ask him like, oh, tell me a little bit about the

01:50:04.840 land.

01:50:05.200 He'll take you all over.

01:50:06.360 I love that.

01:50:06.940 That's what you got to do.

01:50:07.780 That's how all people have always lived, bro.

01:50:10.180 It just sounds, it does sound like a nightmare to me.

01:50:12.120 If you do that, it's like, no, that's what everybody has always done.

01:50:15.000 Yeah.

01:50:15.520 Yeah.

01:50:16.220 So whatever.

01:50:16.800 It sounds like a nightmare to me.

01:50:18.200 This idea of like reaching the end, deciding that it's the end, kicking your feet up and then

01:50:24.240 sitting there with a little drink with an umbrella.

01:50:26.080 Oh, yeah.

01:50:26.440 That's not a torture, bro.

01:50:28.140 Dude, I was like, I went on the cruise, Margaritaville, and it's filled with old boomers who are living

01:50:34.420 that.

01:50:35.220 And it's, it's a hellscape.

01:50:36.520 Oh, bro.

01:50:37.000 The cruise, I went on one, dude.

01:50:38.520 I'm like, no.

01:50:39.040 I'm never going on a cruise again.

01:50:40.340 I'm never going on a cruise again.

01:50:41.200 They're like, oh, but there's unlimited food and adult beverages.

01:50:43.480 I'm like, yo, get me off the boat.

01:50:44.580 I don't want to just consume, dude.

01:50:46.600 I don't want to like eat, drink, eat, drink, eat, drink, be mildly entertained by Indonesians

01:50:52.560 dancing and then eat, drink, eat, drink, sleep.

01:50:54.760 Like that sounds horrifying.

01:50:56.880 It does sound kind of cool.

01:50:57.820 That's what you had going on up front, right?

01:50:59.140 With the performers.

01:50:59.940 Yeah.

01:51:00.180 We came in.

01:51:00.840 I don't know if they were Indonesian.

01:51:02.020 They were a little taller.

01:51:02.820 The shop's not even open.

01:51:03.960 We're here because we're in a retirement place, bro, with people who like left their kids and

01:51:08.440 grandkids.

01:51:09.180 Yeah.

01:51:09.480 And so I can't tell you how many times I'm just walking through the library and some old

01:51:13.480 ladies back here.

01:51:14.520 Just empty.

01:51:15.100 Well, just, just saying like, I can't believe my granddaughter isn't a Christian.

01:51:19.400 She's not a Christian.

01:51:20.260 You're not near her to influence her.

01:51:21.640 Finally, I said that one day I said, Hey, Hey, I don't know what you guys thought.

01:51:24.940 Like if people just grow up and become Christians, like me, like maybe you guys grew up in a

01:51:28.820 time period where they prayed in school and they read the Bible in school and like everybody

01:51:33.340 in society was a Christian.

01:51:34.640 Like that has to be cultivated.

01:51:36.280 Like your granddaughter is not just going to be a Christian, but they've all left, bro.

01:51:40.480 So it's like, it's weird.

01:51:41.660 I love the people here, but it's just this weird dynamic that they like left.

01:51:46.000 That, that shirt that I gave you for Bohemian Grove, the headlining comedian, one of the

01:51:49.600 headlining comedians, Owen Benjamin, I flew him out here.

01:51:52.300 I, I made him stay in the villages.

01:51:53.920 I got the hotel in the village.

01:51:55.060 Oh, he probably got great footage, dude.

01:51:56.500 If he was like, he's a, he's like a homesteading farmer.

01:51:58.720 I put him.

01:51:59.220 Oh, really?

01:51:59.720 Yeah.

01:52:00.160 Yeah.

01:52:00.360 I like him.

01:52:00.740 But he, uh, the, the performance was in Bellevue, but we put him in the villages on

01:52:05.280 purposes.

01:52:05.540 I'm like, I want you to see this place.

01:52:07.500 Cause it's completely unnatural.

01:52:09.160 And he wrote like a seven minute song to the tune of, uh, you know, Margaritaville,

01:52:13.280 Margaritaville, but it's called Davey Boomerville.

01:52:15.420 Yeah.

01:52:15.620 And he absolutely diagnosed and just, just like lays out over like five verses.

01:52:21.280 What's wrong with the village.

01:52:22.460 Yeah.

01:52:22.840 Yeah.

01:52:23.000 And it's like, exactly.

01:52:23.940 The only thing that can be wrong with the villages is the human heart.

01:52:27.280 Like it's, it's people, you know what I mean?

01:52:28.880 Like the villages is a rad.

01:52:30.420 Oh, it is.

01:52:30.880 It's super dope.

01:52:31.700 They're saying like, yo, here's a place.

01:52:33.280 We're going to put an infrastructure in place for you guys to like, stay young.

01:52:36.340 Yeah.

01:52:36.760 Like do your thing.

01:52:37.720 It's rad.

01:52:38.840 But then you realize like, Oh, this isn't what you want.

01:52:42.120 Yeah.

01:52:42.720 That's what's interesting about it.

01:52:43.900 It's like, they were like, what if we build what they think they want?

01:52:46.620 Sure.

01:52:46.800 And then if you have your wits about you, look around and you go.

01:52:49.820 I don't know.

01:52:50.720 A lot of people love it and they live longer from it.

01:52:53.020 It's, it's, it's, I mean, it's got its beauty.

01:52:55.160 It's a safe place.

01:52:56.680 There's plenty to do.

01:52:57.740 And so there's a wonderful kind of vibe and atmosphere.

01:52:59.680 Like everybody's, you know, unless you're shopping and TJ Maxx and,

01:53:03.280 and the old people seem to be really like,

01:53:05.660 like really aggressive and TJ Maxx and like bumpy with the cart and shit like

01:53:08.740 that.

01:53:08.820 But besides those sorts of things, like there's always a show going on.

01:53:12.100 Sure.

01:53:12.420 There's like a sense of community, you know,

01:53:14.380 and all these different things.

01:53:15.280 One weird thing to me is like, there's no kids.

01:53:17.300 I just do it.

01:53:17.840 If I'm old bro, like, what do you mean?

01:53:19.380 There's no kids.

01:53:20.340 Like that's the number one thing I'm going to want.

01:53:21.900 It would be like kids around playing with little kids.

01:53:24.820 Like we're all a little Johnny.

01:53:25.880 Listen, I'm getting ready to go.

01:53:27.100 Like I'm going to leave the earth.

01:53:28.400 And I want to tell you something that's going to be with you for like the rest of your

01:53:31.240 life.

01:53:31.540 You don't have any of that.

01:53:33.160 Let me tell you about the Illuminati.

01:53:34.800 If I was an old dude and I was like away from my family,

01:53:37.900 I would just be indoctrinated children into the craziest things.

01:53:41.120 I'm like, come over here real quick.

01:53:42.480 Let me tell you about how they're doing.

01:53:43.820 So, you know, it's completely flat.

01:53:45.800 Completely flat.

01:53:46.960 Completely flat.

01:53:48.600 Yeah.

01:53:48.960 I don't know.

01:53:49.460 It's a, I love the place.

01:53:50.840 It's just, it does have that aspect of, of like,

01:53:53.520 we're all here for a reason.

01:53:54.980 Yeah.

01:53:55.620 That's what you were alluding to originally.

01:53:56.940 Right.

01:53:57.260 It was like,

01:53:57.640 I don't think that's what he was getting at,

01:53:58.820 but that's a good get at.

01:53:59.900 Yeah.

01:54:00.260 No, you, you kind of were.

01:54:01.420 You were like, you put the house up for sale.

01:54:03.320 Christina's like, bro, what?

01:54:04.480 Yeah.

01:54:04.660 We end up.

01:54:05.420 So now you end up here?

01:54:06.580 In this spot of all places.

01:54:08.060 Yeah.

01:54:08.260 But I think we're here.

01:54:08.940 We're here for a reason.

01:54:09.680 Like, I walked into this shop and I met you for a specific reason.

01:54:13.760 Well, you had the Nephilim shirt.

01:54:14.740 I was like, bro, wait, wait, wait.

01:54:15.840 Like, do you know what a Nephilim is?

01:54:18.480 Imagine you said no.

01:54:19.800 Yeah.

01:54:20.080 How weird would that even be?

01:54:21.380 I went home.

01:54:21.960 I was like, sweetie, I met this Puerto Rican Jew.

01:54:23.720 He's like, the coolest guy.

01:54:25.140 Like, I think he really knows what's up.

01:54:27.520 Like, I don't know how much he knows the Lord or not.

01:54:29.460 He, like, knows what's up.

01:54:31.380 He's like, really?

01:54:33.440 And I was like, yeah, dude, this guy's like, like, legit.

01:54:35.800 And then we just got into it.

01:54:36.800 I was like, you know, like, biblical Nephilim?

01:54:38.460 Yeah.

01:54:38.660 Yeah.

01:54:39.080 Yeah.

01:54:39.960 That's why I'm wearing the shirt.

01:54:41.460 He's like, oh.

01:54:42.680 Well, that's what we've gotten to this thing recently.

01:54:44.300 We're like, this is the first time we're doing it.

01:54:45.660 We're out and we're doing an interview.

01:54:47.500 And we've done out, you know, we've done Broke Me and Grove and things like that.

01:54:51.000 But, like, we kind of sat back and we were like, are we these dudes that are just in a chair on a camera stationary?

01:54:57.340 And, like, there's plenty of those.

01:54:59.700 You know what I mean?

01:55:01.000 Or can we do something a little bit different?

01:55:03.460 I just think once you go out, especially if you go out in that spirit, God kind of facilitates and moves some things around.

01:55:10.440 Start talking to real people.

01:55:11.460 Yeah.

01:55:11.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:55:12.460 You guys should definitely do something here, like, in the front with, like, people who come in.

01:55:15.820 We want to talk to you about that afterwards.

01:55:17.500 I think that would be, because what we want to do, this is going to sound so crazy, but we want to talk.

01:55:21.240 We want to kill them as they walk.

01:55:22.520 No.

01:55:23.160 Slay them at the doorstep.

01:55:24.280 Assistant death squad.

01:55:24.880 No, we want to start to ask people if they've ever had, like, a supernatural experience.

01:55:31.640 You know, but we want to go out.

01:55:32.460 It's going to get weird, though.

01:55:33.460 Oh, it's going to get super weird.

01:55:34.440 I think so.

01:55:34.880 I mean.

01:55:35.680 It's a weird show.

01:55:38.020 Yeah, that's fair.

01:55:39.020 Yeah.

01:55:39.500 Yeah.

01:55:39.780 How do you think?

01:55:40.480 How do you see that?

01:55:41.040 What do you think about that?

01:55:41.900 Yeah.

01:55:42.980 Just brawl.

01:55:43.820 So, like, you know, we have, like, the different parties in Christianity today, right?

01:55:46.880 Well, so one of them, you've got, like, the Reform Party, and you have, like, the First Baptist Party and Second Baptist Party and, like, Protestants.

01:55:53.220 But then you have, like, so-called Charismatic or so-called Pentecostal, which my doctrine is probably that, believing in all of the Bible, believing in the gifts, believing in all of the supernatural.

01:56:04.560 But the way it gets acted out there just gets a little squirrely, bro.

01:56:07.960 Right.

01:56:08.200 A little.

01:56:08.480 So, like, you start asking people for, like, spiritual experiences.

01:56:10.600 They start talking about weird stuff, bro.

01:56:12.340 That's fun.

01:56:13.140 You don't find that fun?

01:56:14.320 I mean.

01:56:15.120 You look disgusted by it.

01:56:16.520 Yeah.

01:56:18.360 He's probably heard a way too.

01:56:19.800 We should take a bite.

01:56:20.980 Some of the craziest stuff.

01:56:22.260 I'm like, yo, just go read the Bible.

01:56:23.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:24.380 Just go read the Bible.

01:56:24.700 Obviously.

01:56:24.920 Same of those crazy stuff and just read the Bible.

01:56:26.800 Right.

01:56:27.460 Well, that's what we do because people have unexplainable experiences.

01:56:31.200 Sure.

01:56:31.660 And we've heard.

01:56:32.560 Christian and non-Christian alike.

01:56:33.940 Yeah.

01:56:34.180 And we've heard it all.

01:56:35.020 Sure.

01:56:35.480 And I was thinking about this.

01:56:36.440 It's like, what happens when we hear it all?

01:56:37.540 But I guess that is what you guys should do.

01:56:39.360 Well.

01:56:39.680 You guys have a crazy show.

01:56:40.540 We're trying to give them context for the, because I've had crazy experiences.

01:56:45.220 And then the correct context is the biblical one.

01:56:47.500 So it doesn't matter how many times you come to us with your crazy experience.

01:56:50.520 We're going to ask you the same question.

01:56:51.680 Like, did you ever try to pray to Jesus Christ about that?

01:56:55.000 Yeah.

01:56:55.320 You know?

01:56:55.620 And like, see what that conversation.

01:56:56.840 Because that's.

01:56:57.160 Well, I would actually love that if you would do that.

01:56:59.420 That's what we're going to do.

01:57:00.960 Or we're going to do it out front of your store.

01:57:02.260 No, I love that.

01:57:03.580 It's like it's a problem at any time.

01:57:05.460 I think that's.

01:57:06.220 What would you ask?

01:57:07.120 Well, yeah.

01:57:07.540 What would you ask people if you're doing this in this setting?

01:57:09.620 Because you basically run a podcast, but you don't record it.

01:57:12.360 Like, you have the best job because you make people coffee and then you get to talk with

01:57:15.900 them for a couple of minutes.

01:57:16.860 So what I ask them usually is just like, like, yeah.

01:57:19.820 Like, where are you from?

01:57:20.700 Like, well, like, what's your story?

01:57:22.060 Yeah.

01:57:22.280 I'm usually like that.

01:57:23.420 Cream, sugar.

01:57:24.580 I ask that too.

01:57:27.080 Yeah.

01:57:27.400 I'm usually like, you want cream and sugar with that?

01:57:29.000 And then like, where are you from?

01:57:31.200 You know?

01:57:31.440 And then everybody has some story.

01:57:32.760 But I guess like, if we get back to this thing about like, there's a bunch of stuff in

01:57:36.220 the unseen realm.

01:57:37.260 Yeah.

01:57:37.480 But when I see humans and by the way, do you have Michael Heiser up here?

01:57:40.700 Because you keep saying the unseen realm.

01:57:42.460 That's it.

01:57:42.900 Yeah.

01:57:43.300 I got Michael Heiser.

01:57:44.480 Yeah.

01:57:44.880 Yeah.

01:57:45.340 But I mean, he's not the guy to invent that word.

01:57:47.400 He only reads like dead people's books.

01:57:49.060 So Heiser.

01:57:49.640 That's what I thought when he said dead people.

01:57:51.260 I was like, when he died, he's like, now we can.

01:57:52.900 Now I never said dead people.

01:57:54.140 Do you wait for them to die?

01:57:55.680 No, no.

01:57:56.460 No, Heiser's legit.

01:57:57.600 Yeah.

01:57:57.860 Yeah.

01:57:58.360 Yeah.

01:57:58.900 No, he didn't coin the term.

01:58:00.100 But I mean, you know, it's the name of his book.

01:58:01.940 Yeah.

01:58:02.480 Yeah.

01:58:02.900 No, that's just always how I viewed it.

01:58:04.340 From the day I started reading the Bible, I was like, yeah, the unseen realm.

01:58:06.900 Like this world was created from the unseen realm.

01:58:10.240 Yeah.

01:58:10.460 Clearly that realm is the real realm.

01:58:12.260 This is just this like temporary thing.

01:58:14.660 That's just how I always understood it.

01:58:15.900 Well, that's why I get upset when people go like that.

01:58:18.080 You're understanding of it, right?

01:58:19.280 That's biblical.

01:58:20.440 And then people go, no, man, you understand.

01:58:22.740 This is a simulation.

01:58:24.380 We're all in a simulation.

01:58:25.480 Yeah, but in a weird way, it kind of is a simulation.

01:58:27.620 Yeah, but it's like.

01:58:27.940 Because it's being puppeteered.

01:58:29.340 But isn't it reductive?

01:58:30.500 It's like, no, no, no.

01:58:31.380 We're saying the same thing.

01:58:32.480 This is just a lot more rich.

01:58:35.540 And also, you were explaining the nature of it.

01:58:37.340 Yeah.

01:58:37.660 Where you're just going like, no, dude, it's all just computer code.

01:58:40.100 I'm like, wouldn't be surprised if you could find some sort of code.

01:58:42.700 Chuck Misler used to talk about that.

01:58:44.420 Y'all watch any Chuck Soulja?

01:58:45.500 I've heard great things about Chuck Misler.

01:58:47.300 Bro, we used to talk about that a long time ago.

01:58:49.020 Oh, Chuck Misler is Mabry's mentor.

01:58:52.900 Really?

01:58:53.360 He's mentor, yeah.

01:58:53.960 Oh, no way.

01:58:54.720 The dude Mabry was like tight with Chuck?

01:58:56.400 Well, I don't know how tight he watched his stuff.

01:58:58.460 Never asked him.

01:58:59.520 We never said like, did you know the dude?

01:59:01.060 Did you wait for him to die to get his book?

01:59:02.480 So we're like the, so like the common people, they're like, yeah, it's a simulation.

01:59:07.340 And then, and then they kind of attribute everything to the deep state.

01:59:11.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:59:11.740 What we're saying is like, yeah, it's a simulation of sorts.

01:59:15.240 It's being puppeteered from the unseen.

01:59:17.040 Well, there's a, there's a, there's one in between Christianity and the normal.

01:59:20.780 I don't mean to do that.

01:59:21.720 Let's say, you know, in here and that's Gnosticism where they're like, yeah, it's a simulation

01:59:26.280 and it's run by the Demiurge, which is an ancient AI and it's evil and it's evil.

01:59:32.340 So it's like, I mean, you know, everything is like the kingdom of darkness.

01:59:35.240 Right, right, right, right.

01:59:35.860 But well, they're saying that God is the Demiurge who has created all of this, but he is inherently

01:59:43.220 evil.

01:59:43.980 And it's like, no, you're, it's like the matrix and the matrix.

01:59:47.280 It's like, who, who, who made the matrix?

01:59:49.680 Well, artificial intelligence, evil robots.

01:59:52.260 Why did they make it?

01:59:52.940 They're just like sucking on us.

01:59:54.740 Yeah.

01:59:55.060 You know, that's the point.

01:59:56.180 And it's like, that's awfully disheartening.

01:59:58.300 That's reductive.

01:59:58.820 I mean, there's some, that's like as crazy as that sounds like there's some, there's

02:00:02.440 some truth or else you wouldn't be able to sell it.

02:00:04.140 Yeah.

02:00:04.440 You need some of it, but then you're wrong about one thing.

02:00:06.940 It's that thing I keep saying, you're wrong about the fundamental nature of it.

02:00:10.440 So you can say a lot of like, you know, some of the shit that surrounds it, that is

02:00:13.900 true, you know, and that is observable, but you're wrong about the nature of it.

02:00:18.220 Yeah.

02:00:18.400 And that's where things get all squirrely.

02:00:20.320 Yeah.

02:00:21.080 Did you know that in Spanish, it's a escuela?

02:00:23.900 I thought you'd say squirrel.

02:00:24.860 I thought you'd say school.

02:00:26.780 I think it's a good place to land it.

02:00:29.080 Yeah.

02:00:29.760 I just want to ask one more thing.

02:00:31.260 You're doing a food forest in your, your yard.

02:00:34.000 How do you, how do you start that?

02:00:35.700 How did you, do you have any like advice?

02:00:37.580 Like where did, where did that?

02:00:39.700 So like I, I started growing fruit trees and stuff like a long time ago when we lived in

02:00:45.760 another house, but I didn't understand like the food forest concept.

02:00:49.220 And I just, my, my mom and dad were both from Pennsylvania.

02:00:52.000 So like I was back there, like visiting my family.

02:00:53.940 It's super rural PA and they're just kind of living off the land.

02:00:57.420 They have apple trees and like grapevines and gardens.

02:01:00.140 And I was like, yo, that's rad.

02:01:01.500 Like they're just like growing their own food.

02:01:03.920 And so I came back and was like doing that.

02:01:07.220 Then I lived in like a littler house and I didn't really have the opportunity to do that.

02:01:11.180 So I just had like banana trees and maybe like a little, some vegetables and like a little

02:01:15.240 bed or whatever.

02:01:16.100 But then I just got heavy on the whole, like watching YouTube stuff of food forest and like

02:01:20.660 growing your own food and doing it in a natural way, like growing your own fertilizer.

02:01:24.660 And then like using your chicken poop and your goat poop to feed your trees.

02:01:28.640 And then I just kind of got like, uh, like really like tied into it and then just realized

02:01:34.020 like, yeah, that's what I want to spend my time doing.

02:01:35.980 And I want to spend my time just like chilling with the Lord, like planting fruit trees and

02:01:39.680 like tending to everything, growing food.

02:01:42.100 And then, yeah, having a thing that I'll have like later in life that I can just be like

02:01:45.420 walking around barefoot and then like being in the sunlight, being in the fresh air.

02:01:49.640 And I don't want to spend my days, bro.

02:01:51.440 Like, it's just like reading the scripture.

02:01:53.520 Like I got where I'm at in the scripture by reading for an hour a day.

02:01:56.720 Right.

02:01:57.240 Yeah.

02:01:57.540 It's just a bunch of things have gone by now.

02:01:59.720 The same way.

02:02:00.220 Like I just killed myself one day or not to say that I didn't.

02:02:03.320 I think, I mean, I remember having days where I would just read all day because I was just

02:02:06.220 like, dude, what's, you know, what is going on?

02:02:08.380 I was just taking so many notes and stuff.

02:02:09.780 But in general, it just happened bit by bit.

02:02:12.180 You know, food forest is the same thing, dude.

02:02:13.840 Like you could go inside and watch TV shows all night or you could do a little bit of work

02:02:17.720 every day.

02:02:18.280 Like the next thing you know, you've got like a really rad food forest.

02:02:21.580 Right.

02:02:21.920 I think that's a good, that's a good message.

02:02:24.520 So like definitely to, to leave people, especially the younger audience that might watch the show

02:02:28.400 is like, all this stuff doesn't happen all at once.

02:02:32.060 And it's something that I'm learning as I get older.

02:02:34.900 It's just like, it's constant, just like, you know, bits of sand that you're putting.

02:02:39.080 And then eventually you kind of look back and you're like, oh, that's an entire beach now.

02:02:42.040 Yeah.

02:02:42.440 But before to start, it seems daunting to like, to embark on that journey is like, I

02:02:48.800 don't, I don't know if I can do that right now.

02:02:50.640 Probably used to be easier.

02:02:51.740 I always think about like my future self too.

02:02:54.040 I'm always like, yo, do stuff that your future self is going to thank you for.

02:02:57.120 Because there's like a couple of things in my past where I'm like, bro, old self from

02:03:00.340 back then.

02:03:00.900 Like, thank you for leaving California.

02:03:02.640 Like, thank God you had the guts to like leave Cali.

02:03:05.100 You know what I mean?

02:03:06.180 Or just whatever, like save enough money to buy a house or whatever.

02:03:09.300 Like you go back and you like, you're so grateful to your old self.

02:03:13.080 I want to do stuff now that my future self's going to grow right on.

02:03:16.600 Like that was a solid you did for us back then.

02:03:18.640 That idea though, of building something like day by day, I think is more of a challenge

02:03:23.060 than it's ever been because we live in the era of expedience.

02:03:25.700 It's like now, everything is, even the way we absorb entertainment.

02:03:28.560 It's like, give me a 30 second clip.

02:03:30.040 Give me a one minute.

02:03:30.720 One minute is like, that's a little bit too long.

02:03:32.560 You know what I mean?

02:03:32.840 It's like everything is fast.

02:03:34.080 And especially reading the scripture, bro.

02:03:35.800 There's no like, you're not being acknowledged for it, bro.

02:03:40.380 Like I'm on a podcast right now, like saying things that probably maybe some people are

02:03:43.920 like, oh, that sounds cool.

02:03:45.160 Like he's like, knows the Bible.

02:03:46.640 You'll never know.

02:03:47.080 Oh, it's like over a decade now, getting up an hour early to read the Bible every day.

02:03:51.260 I've never like, this is as much of a, I've never been on a thing.

02:03:54.960 Right.

02:03:55.160 I mean, I've been on one other podcast that where I like talked about scripture and stuff,

02:03:58.940 but not even like a ton.

02:04:00.200 So like, you're going to do this thing every day and you're, it's never going to be visible

02:04:04.560 to like 99.999% of humans.

02:04:08.180 So a lot of people don't want that.

02:04:09.940 They're like, no, I want to do a thing and I want to get acknowledged for it.

02:04:12.700 Yeah.

02:04:12.960 And I want to be a big shot.

02:04:13.940 I'm going to be a big shot like right now.

02:04:15.460 And that's not really like, that's not the game, dude.

02:04:18.700 We're all in the long game, man.

02:04:20.200 We're all in the long game where you just do a little bit every day.

02:04:23.980 I love that.

02:04:24.980 That's again, the, like the idea of that food forest, the garden, that's the, that's the

02:04:30.300 real long game because that stuff grows by God's will.

02:04:33.360 In the natural realm.

02:04:33.900 I think it's the best natural realm long game.

02:04:35.880 Yeah.

02:04:36.100 Yeah.

02:04:36.380 But like the, but like the spirit realm is the main thing.

02:04:39.740 Like that's like eternity is the main thing.

02:04:42.400 If, if like, it's taking my time to do the natural in the food forest and it's going to

02:04:47.860 deduct anything from my eternal reward.

02:04:50.540 I'm not talking about salvation.

02:04:51.620 You're saved by grace through faith, but like my eternal reward in heaven, then I don't want

02:04:56.220 to be caught up on this food forest.

02:04:57.760 That's taking my time from that.

02:04:59.360 But I do need to do some stuff on the earth because we're made of spirit, soul and body.

02:05:02.660 Like whether we like it or not, you can't just like neglect the body and you can't neglect

02:05:08.080 the soul.

02:05:08.600 Like you have to be doing those things too, or your spiritual life will suffer too.

02:05:12.320 If you don't exercise and like take care of yourself, it's not just your natural body

02:05:16.560 will suffer.

02:05:17.040 Your spirit man will suffer.

02:05:18.300 I learned that the hard way.

02:05:19.340 I would have never thought that.

02:05:20.440 I would never thought that.

02:05:21.200 Yeah.

02:05:21.580 But if, because it's so connected, so you have to have some things you're intentional about

02:05:25.120 like in the earth and you have to occupy it till he comes back.

02:05:28.680 Like that's what it says in Luke.

02:05:29.860 He's like, yo, occupy it till I come back.

02:05:32.000 Yeah.

02:05:32.660 So you have to be intentional about what you're going to do.

02:05:34.680 And like, yeah, I like having a thing that I'm watching grow and it's producing food for

02:05:38.880 my family.

02:05:39.880 And it's giving me like exercise too, but not like killing myself in the gym exercise.

02:05:44.380 I'm just like active and I'm just out there in nature.

02:05:47.740 I'm just doing my thing.

02:05:48.740 Like, uh, do you have a dog?

02:05:50.420 I, it's a rough analogy, but if you have a dog, especially if it's like working breed

02:05:54.380 and you're not letting it work, right.

02:05:56.360 It's going to suffer all sorts of neurological disorders, bro.

02:05:58.760 He's chilling at the time when Kings go out to war and he's like, damn, who's this chick

02:06:03.240 on the roof?

02:06:03.780 Who is that?

02:06:04.340 He was supposed to be out warring.

02:06:06.480 You're either supposed to be building or warring.

02:06:08.280 And if you're not doing that, you're a man of God and you're just like sitting still.

02:06:11.520 That's what the John 15, I'm the vine.

02:06:13.700 You are the branches.

02:06:14.440 That's what that is, dude.

02:06:15.340 There's only two destinies for a branch, right?

02:06:17.680 He says, if you're in, he says, I'm the vine, you're the branches, any branch in me that

02:06:22.460 doesn't produce fruit snip, bro, it's getting clipped.

02:06:27.460 Yeah.

02:06:28.020 And if you are producing fruit, you're getting pruned clip so that you produce more.

02:06:32.420 So this whole concept of being like a Christian that just stays the same for any amount of

02:06:38.620 time, that's not biblical, bro.

02:06:40.000 There's only two destinies for a branch.

02:06:41.900 It's like, you're either not producing fruit, you're getting clipped and like discarded

02:06:47.760 or you're producing fruit, you're going to keep producing more and more fruit.

02:06:52.360 Yeah.

02:06:52.780 Because there's no like staying the same.

02:06:55.240 You know, it's a weird thing, but like when I played baseball, I had like a lot of trophies

02:07:00.600 and you kind of reminded me of like, I don't know why I had this mindset with it, but my

02:07:05.460 parents would put it on like a shelf and I'd go, look at all this shit you did.

02:07:08.000 Like how much you won.

02:07:09.500 And I would take the trophies, especially if they weren't in first place, I'd throw them

02:07:13.180 out and be like, don't you want to remember?

02:07:15.160 And I'm like, nah, man.

02:07:15.760 It's like, this is, I did this and this is the fruit and it's like clipped.

02:07:18.860 It's like, all right, now what's next?

02:07:20.240 I like that.

02:07:20.880 Yeah.

02:07:21.480 What position did you watch?

02:07:22.520 I was a pitcher at third base.

02:07:23.900 You were?

02:07:24.320 Yeah.

02:07:24.540 Yeah.

02:07:24.720 But where'd you get in the lineup?

02:07:26.180 Well, I mean, six probably.

02:07:29.440 Yeah.

02:07:29.840 I'm not.

02:07:30.480 But you could throw your right-handed.

02:07:31.860 I could throw.

02:07:32.760 That's one thing I can do.

02:07:34.020 Throw real hard, not accurate.

02:07:35.860 But anyway, it's just, it's, it's a thing where it's like, even with my artwork, I'm

02:07:42.520 like, I'll, I'll draw it.

02:07:44.040 It'll be out there.

02:07:45.140 Bro, you're a sleeper.

02:07:46.000 I didn't know you were an artist too.

02:07:47.620 Yeah.

02:07:47.840 This is like, yeah, that's part of what I know.

02:07:49.020 It's got natural skill sets.

02:07:50.080 Go.

02:07:50.360 Yeah.

02:07:50.620 But once I'm done with it, like I'll draw something and I'll, I'll just like put it

02:07:55.300 away or throw it out.

02:07:56.520 And they're like, why don't you sign it?

02:07:57.780 Why don't you frame it?

02:07:58.360 I'm like, cause I did it.

02:07:59.540 It's like out.

02:08:00.280 That's my fruit.

02:08:01.220 Now it's clipped.

02:08:02.160 And now we're going to do the next thing.

02:08:03.640 But I can never really explain it.

02:08:05.520 And you just, you just explained it to me biblically.

02:08:07.920 So thank you.

02:08:08.500 You have to be growing.

02:08:09.600 Yeah.

02:08:10.140 You have, you have to be growing.

02:08:11.780 Like that's what says a walk in the spirit.

02:08:13.800 They don't have a concept of a treadmill.

02:08:16.500 Like, like walking in the spirit is progressing in the spirit, getting from A to B in the spirit,

02:08:21.400 walk in the spirit.

02:08:22.140 So you don't fulfill the lust of the flesh.

02:08:23.940 Like if you'd like people who are like, oh, I'm living in the sin.

02:08:26.980 I need to stop the sin.

02:08:28.140 I need to stop the sin.

02:08:29.020 Good luck doing it that way.

02:08:30.340 That's not what the scripture says.

02:08:31.280 The scripture says, walk in the spirit so you don't fulfill the lust of the flesh.

02:08:35.440 Like set your affections on things above, not the things on the earth.

02:08:38.400 Like that's how we overcome like our self-centered sinful lifestyle is not by like focusing on

02:08:44.820 and trying not to do it.

02:08:46.080 It's by walking in the spirit and going after spiritual truth and spiritual life.

02:08:52.560 I want to ask one last question.

02:08:54.540 Oh yeah.

02:08:54.940 But before we do, is there anything that is worth bringing up that anybody said?

02:08:58.860 No, they're terrible people.

02:08:59.780 Is there anything worth it?

02:09:01.040 We have a lot of viewers though.

02:09:02.040 A lot of viewers.

02:09:02.900 But nothing worth, they've said nothing.

02:09:04.780 Wait, is the wifi working?

02:09:06.200 Yeah, it is.

02:09:06.660 We have a lot of viewers.

02:09:07.420 Sometimes they're just enamored.

02:09:08.840 A lot of times they're just talking to each other.

02:09:10.700 It's more comments.

02:09:10.940 Yeah.

02:09:11.260 Yeah.

02:09:11.920 It's wild.

02:09:12.620 What are some of the comments?

02:09:13.380 Oh, you don't want to go.

02:09:14.040 I'm sure it's, you know.

02:09:15.100 They like you though.

02:09:16.240 They want to know if this is going to be an every Sunday occurrence.

02:09:19.560 This is an experiment.

02:09:21.160 Wait, really?

02:09:21.440 I don't know.

02:09:22.860 I mean, this is an experiment.

02:09:23.900 Ask them if they're like.

02:09:24.460 We have 470 people watching live.

02:09:27.500 Do you guys like this format?

02:09:29.100 I'm talking to the chat.

02:09:29.960 Do you guys like this format?

02:09:30.880 This is something.

02:09:31.500 Yeah.

02:09:31.580 The format of us not necessarily in the same place that we're at.

02:09:35.040 Yeah.

02:09:35.460 Talking, going out into the world.

02:09:37.180 Talking to people about different things.

02:09:38.640 Do you like that?

02:09:39.120 No, you guys are not getting out of here now, dude.

02:09:41.100 I'm like the capable guy.

02:09:42.180 You guys are like going to come here all the time.

02:09:44.460 We're going to lock you in for a Bible study.

02:09:46.260 We can do stuff in the front, like whatever.

02:09:48.220 Yeah.

02:09:48.980 Yeah.

02:09:49.560 I think you guys are my voice.

02:09:50.960 Oh, Nancy.

02:09:51.640 Nancy's great.

02:09:53.440 Yeah.

02:09:53.780 And I heard you do like a Bible study on Wednesdays, right?

02:09:57.400 No.

02:09:57.960 That's a church day, bro.

02:09:58.660 That's not at all.

02:09:59.420 Yeah.

02:09:59.580 Wednesday was like a church day, bro.

02:10:01.360 Well, I do a really cool one on Tuesday.

02:10:03.400 It's just like four people.

02:10:04.540 It's just four people.

02:10:05.420 Okay.

02:10:05.880 Yeah.

02:10:06.280 I don't like big Bible studies.

02:10:08.060 Right, right, right.

02:10:08.720 It goes off track, bro.

02:10:09.820 And then everybody's just there for a social event.

02:10:11.660 He's like, there's only four.

02:10:12.540 You're not.

02:10:13.000 Yeah.

02:10:13.420 He doesn't like when nobody talks.

02:10:15.040 He's like, nobody talks.

02:10:15.720 We did as we like kind of made a pack almost, bro.

02:10:18.600 We're like, yeah, let's not like we don't need a ton of people.

02:10:20.740 Yeah.

02:10:21.020 Let's do it.

02:10:21.660 Right.

02:10:21.820 We're like in John right now.

02:10:23.140 It's just good.

02:10:24.040 All the conversation.

02:10:24.940 I won't come.

02:10:25.180 It's fine.

02:10:25.520 It's fine.

02:10:26.040 We're not going to come anyway.

02:10:27.160 I'll ask the boys.

02:10:28.200 No, no.

02:10:29.360 It's not every week, but like maybe one week.

02:10:33.120 But then on Friday, we do one with the boys, Aiden and all his buddies.

02:10:36.880 Yeah.

02:10:37.320 This one's fire at the house.

02:10:38.880 We did Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, Daniel chapter three.

02:10:42.460 Oh, yeah.

02:10:42.900 Yeah.

02:10:43.500 Yeah.

02:10:43.760 Right there.

02:10:44.160 Yeah.

02:10:44.340 We did that Friday night.

02:10:46.580 Oh, nice.

02:10:47.380 Yeah.

02:10:47.480 The boys are legit.

02:10:48.720 They're like, they like gather close.

02:10:50.840 They like gather close and they're like, they're like locked in.

02:10:53.220 Sometimes we start, we have a big couch to like start spread out, but then they get in

02:10:56.720 closer and they're like locked in.

02:10:58.460 But same thing, bro.

02:10:59.280 Some of these dudes have been going to church and like, oh, this is cool.

02:11:02.120 Like, I kind of know like there's something more going on, but like, this isn't really

02:11:05.300 like doing it.

02:11:06.180 You open, you unlock the Bible to them and now boom, they're locked in, bro.

02:11:09.960 Yeah.

02:11:10.140 One of the kids like stood up to his dad before, like recently, because his dad was saying like,

02:11:15.020 what are you doing?

02:11:15.800 This Jesus thing.

02:11:16.600 It's fake.

02:11:17.020 Really?

02:11:17.480 Stood up to his dad, bro.

02:11:18.860 What up?

02:11:19.060 What up?

02:11:19.580 Like suffered loss for Christ's sake.

02:11:21.600 I said, bro, this doesn't even happen to this nation, bro.

02:11:24.820 He's like, yeah, I don't really ball up to my dad.

02:11:27.120 And like, this is the first time I did.

02:11:28.420 Cause I was like, no, don't, don't put Jesus down.

02:11:30.400 I was like, what a misstep by dad.

02:11:32.140 Yeah.

02:11:32.520 That dad like apologized later.

02:11:34.260 Oh, that's based.

02:11:35.240 Then another boy was like, no, Mr. Matt, I think I'm born.

02:11:37.780 I think I'm born again, man.

02:11:38.860 Because like, you know how, when you read the Bible and like makes sense, he's like,

02:11:41.720 I was reading it the other day and like, it wasn't something that we had talked about

02:11:44.780 before, but it like made perfect sense, man.

02:11:46.660 I think I'm born again.

02:11:47.800 That's awesome.

02:11:48.360 That's what he said, Russ.

02:11:49.440 I was like, that's cool.

02:11:50.460 We have like a fire ass Bible study on Fridays with the young guys, but the Tuesday one is legit,

02:11:55.280 too, man.

02:11:55.940 We're invited to neither of them.

02:11:57.140 Look, this is the Bible study on the front all the time, bro.

02:12:01.100 If I'm making coffee and you chill at the end of the bar, we can come to the special one.

02:12:04.340 That's fine.

02:12:04.660 That's the special one.

02:12:05.340 Yeah.

02:12:06.520 We'll do something else.

02:12:07.300 We'll do our own at the front of his, but you're not invited.

02:12:09.620 We're in protest.

02:12:10.360 But you're not invited.

02:12:11.320 Let's do it.

02:12:11.720 Just protest this Bible study with our Bible study.

02:12:14.380 Well, let's, all right.

02:12:15.020 All right.

02:12:15.180 So this is our final question, right?

02:12:16.320 It's a very important question, too.

02:12:19.900 Are you ready?

02:12:20.700 I don't know, man.

02:12:21.540 This is a weird setup.

02:12:22.340 You have to be ready.

02:12:23.440 Let's go.

02:12:24.000 Okay.

02:12:24.860 Are you, are you having fun?

02:12:27.600 Bro, I love this.

02:12:28.800 Yeah.

02:12:29.120 Is that really the question?

02:12:30.000 That's a question.

02:12:30.600 Are you having fun?

02:12:30.740 What do I mean, like, in the big scheme?

02:12:32.940 Are you having fun?

02:12:33.680 Why don't you tweet on that?

02:12:34.640 Oh, of, like, my life, you mean?

02:12:37.000 Just, like, however you want to answer it, dude.

02:12:38.540 Just answer the question.

02:12:39.220 Don't make us ask more questions.

02:12:40.680 No, no.

02:12:41.000 Yeah, absolutely, dude.

02:12:42.040 I'm, like, so grateful for, yeah, it's fun.

02:12:44.400 It's adventurous.

02:12:45.000 Like, dude, a life in God is, like, I really feel like at the core of it, people have missed

02:12:49.360 this man, is this adventure, dude.

02:12:50.900 Like, he takes, like, you link with God, and he's like, bro, just trust me.

02:12:53.900 We're going on an adventure.

02:12:54.920 Like, that's what he did with Abraham.

02:12:56.540 Like, he took him out of Ur of the Chaldees.

02:12:58.320 He has no clue what's going on.

02:12:59.480 He's like, bro, don't sweat it.

02:13:00.580 This is going to be rad.

02:13:02.500 And I feel like that's a real relationship in Christ, dude.

02:13:05.560 And, like, we were kind of both saying I was worried I was going to be a dork if I became

02:13:09.160 a Christian.

02:13:09.740 Yeah, yeah.

02:13:10.240 It's been the exact opposite.

02:13:11.580 I'm like, Lord, I'll be a dork.

02:13:12.840 I don't care now.

02:13:13.740 Like, back then, I thought it mattered.

02:13:15.480 But now I'm like, no, dude.

02:13:16.960 Like, this whole life has been an adventure.

02:13:18.600 Like, what do you mean my wife and I saved all the money to open a Christian library

02:13:21.860 and a coffee shop?

02:13:23.160 What?

02:13:23.440 That's wild.

02:13:24.020 Like, bro, what?

02:13:24.800 That doesn't make any sense, right?

02:13:26.620 No.

02:13:27.080 But it was just like saying, Lord, I want to get with you.

02:13:29.560 I want to be in the story.

02:13:31.060 And he's like, bro, you want to be in my story?

02:13:32.480 It's not going to be boring.

02:13:33.200 It's going to be, like, cool stuff's going to start happening.

02:13:35.120 It's going to be safe.

02:13:35.660 So we know we're going to open a library, right?

02:13:38.860 And we know we're going to use a coffee shop because we're not going to beg for money like the

02:13:41.920 501c3 system.

02:13:43.120 We're going to support it ourselves, right?

02:13:44.920 So then all of it, like I'm saying, like, sweetie, I don't know.

02:13:47.020 God does miracles, though.

02:13:47.980 Somebody's going to probably just give us a bunch of money.

02:13:49.780 Then all of a sudden, I started to make more money.

02:13:52.580 And then one day, I was like, sweetie, if I didn't know any better, I think maybe we're

02:13:55.820 just going to save the money.

02:13:58.060 And that's what we ended up doing.

02:13:59.680 So there's like this whole process of, like, saving the money and not living, like, rich,

02:14:04.620 which is crazy, especially if a female has money in the bank account and doesn't start

02:14:08.880 buying a bunch of bougie stuff.

02:14:10.560 That's kind of a wild thing, dude.

02:14:12.080 But we did that, like, we did that, got in here, and then, yeah, then immediately it

02:14:17.500 was 2020.

02:14:18.540 Immediately, I'm getting in, like, arguments with Karens at the counter about why am I not

02:14:21.940 wearing a mask?

02:14:22.740 How much money I would have paid to be here in 2020 to see?

02:14:26.020 I had a lot of that freaking out.

02:14:27.400 Were they coming in telling you to shut it down?

02:14:28.980 What are you doing?

02:14:29.500 Yeah, we were getting hate mail, bro.

02:14:30.800 We were getting, like, legit hate mail in the mailbox.

02:14:34.120 We were getting, like, nasty emails.

02:14:35.780 And somebody's taking the time to write it out?

02:14:37.480 Yes, bro.

02:14:38.500 It's that generation, I think.

02:14:39.700 But they would be at the register and be like, why aren't you wearing a mask?

02:14:42.860 And, you know, I'd be like, ma'am, this is America.

02:14:45.740 Like, I don't want to approach you like that and say, why are you wearing open-toed shoes?

02:14:48.340 Right.

02:14:48.580 Like, what do you mean why am I not wearing a mask?

02:14:49.880 The nasty-ass teeth.

02:14:51.220 Yeah, she goes, so why are you not wearing a mask?

02:14:53.840 I said, in answer to your question, because I'm not sick, she goes, you could be.

02:14:57.580 You know what I said?

02:14:58.260 Yeah.

02:14:58.440 This is a great, I said, ma'am, did you drive here?

02:15:01.560 And she, like, stared at me, right?

02:15:03.240 I said, did you drive here?

02:15:04.600 She goes, yeah.

02:15:05.680 I said, you could have killed somebody out on the road, so be real careful how far you

02:15:08.920 want to take that thought.

02:15:10.480 Yeah.

02:15:10.860 And then that chick did get her drink, and she kind of even, like, looked back when she

02:15:14.660 laughed, and we kind of had a moment.

02:15:16.920 Like, I connected with some people.

02:15:18.840 Some people were just, like, F you and laugh.

02:15:20.880 Yeah.

02:15:21.180 But some people, I forced them to think.

02:15:23.180 She was like, I go, like, oh, I'm scared.

02:15:24.040 And they're like, well, I've never heard somebody say that.

02:15:26.580 Yeah.

02:15:26.680 I just thought we're all supposed to be terrified and, like, running for the hills.

02:15:29.360 I'm like, no, no.

02:15:30.940 Because some world entity told you to be afraid?

02:15:33.500 Like, we don't report to some world entity.

02:15:35.480 But it's also, like, how afraid are you?

02:15:36.740 You're buying coffee right now.

02:15:37.680 This is what, like, so.

02:15:38.780 People from other states, it was so crazy.

02:15:40.740 They'd come down, and they'd be like, wait, we can come in here?

02:15:43.580 Yeah.

02:15:43.740 And they'd be like, we don't have to wear a mask?

02:15:46.060 And I'd be like, no.

02:15:47.180 And then they, this was, like, super sad for me, too, actually, bro.

02:15:49.900 They would, like, take their mask off, and you could tell there was, like, trauma.

02:15:53.660 And I remember somebody saying, like, it's been so long since I've seen somebody's face,

02:15:57.520 like, this close.

02:15:58.280 Oh, my God, bro.

02:15:59.420 I was like, wait, somebody from Michigan, I remember saying that.

02:16:02.060 I was like, dude, this is some psychological warfare on people, bro.

02:16:06.580 And then it made me realize, like, how much we have to see faces, bro.

02:16:09.380 Yeah.

02:16:09.920 And how much we have to, like, be in connection with humans.

02:16:13.140 It was just a wild-ass thing, dude.

02:16:14.980 But I sort of felt like that train is right on time.

02:16:17.320 Like, we're open in the library, and this happens immediately when we're open.

02:16:20.400 It's perfect.

02:16:20.660 I was like, I guess I shouldn't have expected that.

02:16:22.620 Yeah, well, I mean, it seems like whenever you decide to engage, you're going to immediately

02:16:27.400 face an adversity.

02:16:29.000 Yeah.

02:16:29.220 And it's like, are you going to overcome that, or are you going to crumble?

02:16:31.340 Yeah.

02:16:31.740 And sometimes I wonder, is that God seeing?

02:16:33.780 Like, I just made a t-shirt of, you know, like, Ezekiel's wheel, the angel.

02:16:37.580 The wheel within the wheel?

02:16:38.260 Yeah.

02:16:38.600 And it says, you know, it says, fear not, world tour.

02:16:40.980 On the back, it says, world tour.

02:16:44.580 It's like a band t-shirt.

02:16:45.520 Yeah.

02:16:45.700 A band t-shirt.

02:16:46.120 So on the back, it's like, as many scriptures as I can get that basically say, don't be afraid or fear

02:16:51.860 or not in some old fashion.

02:16:53.020 It's a banger for sure.

02:16:54.100 I love that.

02:16:54.840 The great design.

02:16:55.360 We're going to get one from it.

02:16:56.220 You guys are really, like, turning over a new lead, dude.

02:16:58.620 Like, all the old stuff is, like, crazy shirts.

02:17:00.820 Like, now you're doing, like, more scripture-based shirts.

02:17:02.320 Oh, he saw your old work.

02:17:03.300 Yeah.

02:17:03.600 I mean, maybe when I made my son go to the website and pick one.

02:17:07.020 So, like, what a lot of people see, either on our YouTube or, like, the older stuff,

02:17:13.000 like, we're backed, we were backlogged, like, two months.

02:17:16.320 Yeah.

02:17:16.480 So, like, you're seeing stuff from two months ago.

02:17:18.700 And toplofts.com, I just updated it last night.

02:17:21.860 But, like, all the other, the shirts that you saw, that's from the last two years.

02:17:26.380 Well, he didn't really want the top lobster shirts, man.

02:17:28.460 Okay.

02:17:29.020 But I just revamped it.

02:17:30.800 So, like, all of my new designs, and I still have, like, 20 more that I need to put up.

02:17:34.320 It's just so much more.

02:17:34.840 You got to have him check those out because the new ones are really cool.

02:17:36.800 Yeah.

02:17:36.960 Look at the website again today.

02:17:38.320 No, you guys are really talented, bro.

02:17:40.060 Like, it's crazy.

02:17:40.460 He said, dude, legitimately, he's the one that's drawing.

02:17:42.960 I don't draw any.

02:17:43.460 Well, the point is what we're saying is that, like, there's two ways you can go that we've learned

02:17:47.500 with this show.

02:17:48.680 It's, like, fear not and do that thing that is dangerous and retarded.

02:17:53.300 Yeah.

02:17:53.580 Which is, like, that's kind of our fan base, our dangerous retards.

02:17:57.340 We have a shirt that says retardio.

02:17:59.160 It's a Latin phrase.

02:18:00.800 Retard means return and dio means God.

02:18:03.280 So, when you are retarded.

02:18:04.580 Wait, what?

02:18:05.360 Yeah.

02:18:05.600 Retardio means return to God.

02:18:07.540 No way.

02:18:08.000 But we've really boiled it down.

02:18:09.860 It's, like, everything is.

02:18:11.220 What you did was retarded.

02:18:12.900 Yeah.

02:18:13.020 Where you're, like, I am working here.

02:18:15.240 It is.

02:18:16.100 If you think about it.

02:18:16.940 You're, like, I am working in a place.

02:18:18.600 You get your check.

02:18:19.460 And they're, like, you can hang out for a week.

02:18:20.860 You can go to this party.

02:18:21.700 And you're, like, I'm just going to leave.

02:18:22.700 I don't know.

02:18:23.580 I am getting out of here.

02:18:24.380 Everybody would have advised against it.

02:18:26.320 Yeah.

02:18:26.460 Everything that you're doing, it doesn't make sense.

02:18:29.160 And it shouldn't work.

02:18:29.780 But it does.

02:18:30.560 Because you're following the spirit.

02:18:32.100 Because you're acting.

02:18:32.700 Without even us opening, people were, like, bro, wait, wait, wait.

02:18:35.800 You guys have never owned a coffee shop.

02:18:37.760 Yep.

02:18:38.180 And you're going to do what?

02:18:39.300 Yeah.

02:18:39.500 Half of it, you're going to make no money on.

02:18:41.400 Yeah.

02:18:41.640 You're going to pay double the electric.

02:18:43.240 You're going to pay double the rent.

02:18:43.640 Every reason.

02:18:44.520 You're going to do it in Florida.

02:18:45.600 You're going to do, well, I've just seen this and that.

02:18:47.240 You're going to pay double for the build out.

02:18:48.860 And then you're going to fill it with books.

02:18:50.140 You have to pay thousands of dollars.

02:18:51.000 Books, dude?

02:18:51.720 Yeah.

02:18:52.160 Books?

02:18:52.660 And they're only going to be Christian books, dude?

02:18:54.240 And you just go, yeah, it's retarded.

02:18:56.560 But it works.

02:18:57.660 Because you're not doing it in a spirit of fear.

02:19:00.000 You're just moving forward bravely.

02:19:01.280 And I'm just like, bro, I've got nothing to lose anyway.

02:19:03.040 Yeah.

02:19:03.400 Yeah.

02:19:03.640 Everything.

02:19:03.920 I can't believe it with nothing.

02:19:04.920 I'm leaving with nothing.

02:19:05.660 Every decision that you're faced with, it's like the world is constantly petitioning you

02:19:09.660 to engage with it.

02:19:10.960 And you engage in one or two ways.

02:19:12.460 It's almost always boiled down to either fear or faith.

02:19:16.360 Yeah.

02:19:16.960 And that's it.

02:19:17.580 That's really, at the end of the day, every decision that you make, especially the big

02:19:21.120 ones, can be boiled down to, am I going to choose fear or am I going to choose

02:19:24.280 faith?

02:19:24.480 Sure.

02:19:24.700 And that's it.

02:19:25.620 That's it.

02:19:26.060 It's actually pretty simple in that way.

02:19:28.220 It's dangerous.

02:19:29.160 It's dangerous.

02:19:29.800 It's scary.

02:19:30.300 But you have to set out ahead of time for that to be the case.

02:19:33.120 Like Daniel purposed in his heart when he was in Babylon, he purposed in his heart ahead

02:19:36.880 of time.

02:19:37.320 He wasn't like just going willy nilly and whatever pops up.

02:19:40.620 You have to really like sit down and draw.

02:19:43.420 Yeah.

02:19:43.660 Yeah.

02:19:43.940 No, no.

02:19:44.340 I mean, like there are things that call to you and you could choose to be afraid and

02:19:49.200 be that person that says, I want to leave this town.

02:19:52.220 I want to leave this job.

02:19:53.160 I want to do this thing.

02:19:54.180 Never do it.

02:19:55.100 There's levels.

02:19:55.760 That's fear.

02:19:56.360 There's levels of planning.

02:19:57.020 I almost forget that.

02:19:58.340 You're right.

02:19:58.800 I remember that.

02:19:59.860 That's what it is.

02:20:01.000 And then faith is, all right, let's get in the car.

02:20:03.560 Let's go.

02:20:04.320 Yeah.

02:20:04.560 Let's do it.

02:20:05.080 Let's pack everything up.

02:20:05.880 Let's leave.

02:20:06.460 It's so true, man.

02:20:07.820 So you're poked by, I'm not saying for people to go out and do a thing just to do a thing

02:20:12.820 now because they have an inclination.

02:20:14.240 There is sometimes where you're like, you're alone and you're by yourself and then you get

02:20:17.980 that.

02:20:18.240 It's like, yo, move.

02:20:19.440 And it's like, well, where?

02:20:20.820 Move where?

02:20:21.700 Yeah.

02:20:21.880 Man, it starts to make sense.

02:20:23.140 Like it, it never is laid out for me.

02:20:25.700 You guys know the story of the four lepers.

02:20:27.660 It's in like two Kings.

02:20:28.780 It's in the day of a light show.

02:20:30.000 It's in like that time period, the four lepers.

02:20:31.980 So like, um, the, I'm pretty sure it's the Syrian army comes to, they've surrounded Jerusalem.

02:20:39.160 So there's like famine because they can't get out.

02:20:41.660 That army is way stronger than, than Israel.

02:20:44.940 And so there's four lepers like at the gate and the four lepers at the gate, they're like,

02:20:50.320 yo, let's get out of here.

02:20:51.760 Like, like if we stay here, we're going to die of starvation.

02:20:54.700 And then another one's like, yeah, but if we go out to the Syrian army, like they're

02:20:57.900 going to kill us.

02:20:58.460 So like, who cares?

02:20:59.920 Did we say we're going to die?

02:21:00.900 Let's do something.

02:21:01.720 Right.

02:21:02.060 We either do nothing or we can do something.

02:21:03.700 And it looks like as far as we can tell, we're going to die from either one.

02:21:06.200 Let's do something and die.

02:21:07.360 Yeah.

02:21:07.700 So they like go out and God had sent like a straight delusion to the Syrian army that

02:21:12.940 they could hear the hooves of the horses of the Israeli army, like come in after them.

02:21:17.460 And so the Syrian army just like left everything, like left all their food, clothes, gold, silver,

02:21:22.860 like left everything.

02:21:24.060 So then like the lepers are just ransacking everything.

02:21:27.180 Right.

02:21:27.860 And then one of them was like, bro, we should go tell everybody, like, we can't just do

02:21:30.740 this and like, keep it for ourself.

02:21:32.600 They go back and they save Israel, bro.

02:21:34.500 Like they, like they saved the whole nation from that.

02:21:36.640 But it all stemmed from they're like, we got to do something.

02:21:39.000 That's it.

02:21:39.300 It's like fear is this.

02:21:40.300 It's a paralytic.

02:21:41.260 It keeps you frozen.

02:21:42.440 Yeah.

02:21:42.640 Where you are.

02:21:43.320 We don't necessarily have a game plan, but we got to do something.

02:21:45.420 Right.

02:21:45.940 They had their, they had their, like, their kind of like aim there.

02:21:49.340 Well, that's like missing the mark.

02:21:50.680 It would be sin.

02:21:51.980 So that's aim.

02:21:52.880 So there's your aim.

02:21:53.720 We're pointed at something.

02:21:54.760 And then you're presented with the, do I do it or not?

02:21:57.820 And there's a lot of reasons not to do shit.

02:21:59.500 Like I've actually convinced him not to do some stuff, which may be good.

02:22:03.000 Cause he was probably thinking of crazy stuff.

02:22:04.440 It was probably, it was probably crazy, but yeah, you know, it's like, it's just a constant,

02:22:08.900 uh, it's a constant presentation of, will you do this thing or will you not do this thing?

02:22:13.100 Before I left for Florida, everybody was like the, the, the bugs, the lizards, the crocodiles,

02:22:18.540 the weather, the hurricanes, the this, the that.

02:22:20.460 And it was like, you know, but we came out here and it ended up being perfect.

02:22:24.600 So it's just, I don't know, man.

02:22:26.740 I see the fruits of that, uh, choosing fear.

02:22:29.660 And it's kind of like everybody you look at that's still in the same place.

02:22:33.720 Yeah.

02:22:34.080 You know?

02:22:35.240 Yeah.

02:22:35.860 All right.

02:22:36.300 Well, we're dangerously retarded, Matt.

02:22:38.500 Thank you.

02:22:38.820 Can you tell the people again where they can buy?

02:22:40.980 Oh, we have a question.

02:22:42.240 Wow.

02:22:42.980 I don't want to answer it.

02:22:44.020 Like race it off.

02:22:45.000 Are we, this is like, I got a pain.

02:22:46.740 Yeah.

02:22:46.840 I wanted to be professional.

02:22:48.700 All right.

02:22:49.180 All right.

02:22:49.380 What are the questions?

02:22:49.980 What are the questions?

02:22:50.920 Has Matt read the early church fathers or any church history?

02:22:54.860 Not, I mean, well, church history is a 2000 year, uh, record at this point, but no, not

02:23:00.180 much of like, uh, I mean, I'm familiar with, uh, the church fathers, but no, I, I, I'd say

02:23:07.440 it's not really my specialty.

02:23:09.000 Like the Bible is my specialty.

02:23:10.920 And then that's great how people interpreted stuff, um, in the early church.

02:23:16.380 But I guess the short answer is no, not really.

02:23:19.080 But I'm a little more familiar with like, since it's like Martin Luther, John Wesley, like

02:23:24.600 since that time.

02:23:25.940 Uh, but no, I don't do a lot.

02:23:28.080 I don't do a lot with the early church.

02:23:29.900 Who was that best?

02:23:31.840 Um, can't read the name?

02:23:33.960 Because I already scored.

02:23:34.540 Oh, okay.

02:23:34.960 Okay.

02:23:35.120 Okay.

02:23:35.200 Okay.

02:23:35.740 Uh, Nancy did ask, has Matt had any recent spiritual attacks?

02:23:40.500 Oh, that's interesting.

02:23:41.700 That's an interesting question.

02:23:43.560 Spiritual attacks.

02:23:44.740 Who knows?

02:23:45.220 I would guess it's like on the regular.

02:23:47.240 Or I don't know exactly what she means by the question.

02:23:50.660 Like, uh, well, I mean, um, uh, Nancy's a big, uh, fan of the show.

02:23:55.960 She's also helps us to co-produce our, our Chronicle series.

02:23:59.360 And, uh, uh, she's pretty familiar with, I guess the ins and outs of like what we experienced

02:24:05.000 and I've been going through some weird crap.

02:24:06.520 You have?

02:24:07.340 Yeah.

02:24:07.620 Yeah.

02:24:07.880 It's, it's stopped now.

02:24:09.160 Um, I talked to, uh.

02:24:10.360 What do you mean just dreams?

02:24:11.480 They're like really, dude, I don't know.

02:24:13.820 It's a whole lot to get into, but, um, I, you know, I think it's because my grandmother

02:24:18.040 was, uh, was a witch.

02:24:19.780 And so I just have all this kind of crazy crap.

02:24:23.360 I see things all the time.

02:24:24.920 Sure.

02:24:25.240 Um, and recently it's like, yeah, it's dreams that started off as just stressful dreams.

02:24:30.880 Yeah.

02:24:31.140 And I think that it was kind of an energy loose.

02:24:33.140 Something was feeding off of it.

02:24:34.580 I think because I was disobedient, honestly, uh, God was telling me to do something and

02:24:38.980 I, I opted to do the, the watered down shitty version of what he was telling you to do.

02:24:44.920 Um, and you're thinking that gave access.

02:24:47.120 I think it gave access that.

02:24:48.440 And then I also started drinking.

02:24:50.520 So it was like, I'm doing two things.

02:24:52.280 I'm being disobedient.

02:24:53.220 And then I'm having, it's like, I'm not a big drinker, but I'll have like a glass of

02:24:56.260 whiskey a night.

02:24:57.040 I'll have a glass of whiskey and a cigar, but I think that's enough to open the door and

02:25:00.180 be like, all right, let the games begin.

02:25:01.800 Good.

02:25:01.920 Yeah.

02:25:02.060 And so over a period of time, I'm having these stressful dreams.

02:25:04.840 Uh, and eventually it, it turns into, um, I'm waking up some, some woman's whispering

02:25:10.160 in my ear.

02:25:11.400 Um, I was seeing something, you know, in the, in the Creek of my door.

02:25:15.280 Uh, I walk into that room and my body's filled with like hair standing up on end, like full

02:25:21.560 body.

02:25:23.020 Um, I can hear something breathing in my room and all this crap.

02:25:26.340 And I'm like, Oh my God.

02:25:27.420 Like I know exactly what it is.

02:25:28.400 It's not something that I'm afraid of.

02:25:29.880 It's honestly more exhausting than anything because I really like my sleep and this is

02:25:34.260 just like waking me up, waking me up.

02:25:36.580 So I, I talked to somebody we had on the show recently, Dr. Laura, I mean, Dr. Laura Baker.

02:25:41.700 She's, uh, she does deliverance.

02:25:43.660 And, um, so she and I did like a brief deliverance session on, um, disobedience, repenting for my

02:25:49.440 disobedience.

02:25:49.780 Sure.

02:25:50.040 And it just stopped time to die.

02:25:52.980 That's powerful, bro.

02:25:54.100 Yeah, dude.

02:25:54.660 Yeah.

02:25:54.960 So, um, I mean the demonic realm, even if you're not like demonized, yeah, it's still

02:26:00.460 there.

02:26:00.900 It's always whispering.

02:26:01.900 It's like, we were talking about earlier about the thoughts that are not our thoughts.

02:26:04.400 It's always there.

02:26:05.600 So I'd say in that sense, like, yeah, I'm probably, probably constantly under some kind

02:26:09.440 of spiritual attack, but no, I don't have anything where I'm like, Oh man, this crazy

02:26:13.360 thing.

02:26:13.700 Yeah.

02:26:14.260 I think the audience is, is pretty comfortable with the concept of like, when you engage in

02:26:18.800 any sort of, um, advocation for Jesus Christ to any level, you know, maybe a library at

02:26:24.820 the back of your coffee shop is certainly a high level, um, that it's unsurprising if

02:26:29.900 there's some pushback that you can, uh, sort of, you know, determine in one way or the other.

02:26:35.220 I mean, that, I mean, that's what happens though.

02:26:36.820 We're in the war, right?

02:26:37.680 Like, like now we have a target on our back to our enemies, but now we have all these guys

02:26:40.900 on our side fighting for us too.

02:26:42.320 So it's like, there's both.

02:26:44.200 If you're just going to sit on the sidelines, you don't necessarily have like the kingdom

02:26:48.120 really fighting on your behalf or like boring and fighting, you know, like as you're a teammate

02:26:51.920 with them, you're just kind of chilling.

02:26:53.380 And that dark supernatural aspect is happy if you're not partaking.

02:26:56.680 Yeah.

02:26:56.900 But that dark, then you started to do the good, like you're saying that dark supernatural

02:27:00.040 comes after you.

02:27:01.240 And there is this weird amount where you need to fight it off, but forces of light are fighting

02:27:05.520 on your behalf too.

02:27:06.480 Cause now you're on a good team.

02:27:08.500 So it's a, it's a weird one.

02:27:10.620 And it's like when I, when I bump into atheists and things like that, I, I almost can't like,

02:27:16.040 I'm like, you've never had weird shit happen to you.

02:27:19.740 And that defies explanation.

02:27:21.940 I mean, I guess some people truly do.

02:27:24.120 I, I, it's so unrelated.

02:27:25.500 Well, we're such a materialistic society, bro.

02:27:27.780 Yeah.

02:27:28.120 You have to think about that.

02:27:28.960 Like ancient people, they all understood the spirit realm because they were, there was

02:27:33.680 nowhere to go.

02:27:34.420 Right.

02:27:34.700 No where to run.

02:27:35.420 Yeah.

02:27:35.660 Yeah.

02:27:35.740 Yeah.

02:27:35.980 And this, this materialistic society is like the most material fake society that's probably

02:27:40.560 ever existed.

02:27:41.360 That's why I was saying in Sodom and Gomorrah, they probably did know a little bit about this.

02:27:45.840 Possibly.

02:27:46.060 Or they could have been super materialistic too, man.

02:27:48.280 Who, like, who knows?

02:27:49.780 True.

02:27:50.360 But the more materialistic a society becomes, the sillier and sillier the spirit realm is.

02:27:56.660 Yeah.

02:27:57.560 Until it's not.

02:27:59.080 Until some shit happens to you.

02:28:00.220 And then you have no explanation because of the way that it's set up.

02:28:02.620 And so you start moving towards weird crap.

02:28:04.700 Like Kabbalism or Wiccan or something like that.

02:28:07.680 Because the closest thing you have is Harry Potter.

02:28:09.500 I mean, right now, like when you were talking about 2020, that was, that's a big shift back

02:28:13.820 into the spiritual realm or at least pointing people back towards something else is going

02:28:18.520 on behind this curtain.

02:28:19.900 Right.

02:28:20.120 Right.

02:28:20.420 That kind of did one of two things to people.

02:28:22.160 It either just took them into just straight stupidity.

02:28:24.800 Because bro, that happened too, man.

02:28:26.400 A lot of people got way, way dumber since 2020.

02:28:29.300 Yeah.

02:28:29.880 Like society as a whole, like, bro, what is going on to where we just all accept like bad

02:28:34.540 service in anything, in a restaurant.

02:28:37.600 Dude, it's crazy.

02:28:38.320 Or like the craziest stuff.

02:28:39.940 I walk into places, they don't even look at you now.

02:28:43.040 Because there's kiosks, you know, electric kiosks or a touchscreen kiosks.

02:28:46.540 Sure.

02:28:46.960 They won't even look at you behind the counter.

02:28:48.720 In fact, if they do, they look at you like, why is he standing at the regular counter?

02:28:52.140 Just in general, like humanity was able, like American people in general, was able to just

02:28:56.140 go way lower.

02:28:57.060 Oh, yeah.

02:28:57.820 Yeah.

02:28:57.940 But then there's a lot of people that like woke up, bro.

02:29:00.560 They were like, they were like, damn.

02:29:02.520 Yeah.

02:29:02.780 This was right under my nose the whole time.

02:29:04.420 I never knew.

02:29:05.000 It really did create like a, there was a split in the path.

02:29:08.320 Yeah.

02:29:08.620 And they further deviated as the time goes further on.

02:29:10.900 More people definitely came to the conspiracy theory side.

02:29:13.740 Yes.

02:29:14.060 But that's, I've been saying it's a little bit, it's not that it's dangerous, but it's

02:29:17.840 like, there are all these things like we've been talking about, Gnosticism and all these

02:29:21.600 different belief systems.

02:29:22.900 And the problem is, it's like, if somebody, if you, I use this analogy, I saw a video

02:29:29.580 once of this chick, she's recording her boyfriend and she wakes up, she goes, babe, babe, wake

02:29:34.140 up.

02:29:34.680 And she's put a stack of UNO cards in front of him.

02:29:37.120 So he wakes up and she goes, it's your turn.

02:29:40.920 And he goes, and he looks at his UNO cards and he looks at the pile and he picks out a

02:29:45.640 card and he puts it down.

02:29:46.600 And then she goes, okay.

02:29:48.120 And she puts a card down.

02:29:49.120 Right.

02:29:49.600 And then he looks at his card.

02:29:51.000 So then he goes, wait a second.

02:29:52.520 What, what, what, what?

02:29:53.440 And it's like really funny, but it's a great analogy for like, if you just woke up, well,

02:29:59.020 then you're in a period of susceptibility.

02:30:01.740 Oh yeah.

02:30:02.240 That's who you're saying.

02:30:02.860 Somebody can rush in and go, look at this.

02:30:05.380 It's all about Wiccanism or whatever.

02:30:07.740 It's all about Kabbalism.

02:30:09.440 It's all about this.

02:30:10.100 And so when you have, because when I was a young conspiracy theorist, I was incredibly

02:30:14.860 wrong all the time.

02:30:16.440 I just went through a series of being wrong and being wrong.

02:30:19.120 And only hindsight would show me that I was wrong.

02:30:21.200 And I don't think that was unique to me.

02:30:23.020 I think that's just what happens when you wake up to the idea that like, oh shit, we're

02:30:26.060 being lied to on a mass scale.

02:30:27.460 So if that is just a symptom of waking up, then everybody's going through that to some

02:30:31.980 degree.

02:30:33.000 Right.

02:30:33.140 Or the ones who just chose to be blind.

02:30:34.940 Because like blindness in the scripture is never from the ability to see, it's from

02:30:40.000 choosing not to see.

02:30:40.960 Exactly.

02:30:41.460 And that takes you into blindness.

02:30:42.640 Yeah.

02:30:42.840 Like, yeah, I think 2020, a lot of people chose not to see.

02:30:45.940 Yeah.

02:30:46.160 It was just like, okay, good luck with everything.

02:30:47.640 Those are the people you still see.

02:30:48.800 But that's the decision between faith and fear.

02:30:51.360 Yep.

02:30:51.640 If you're afraid, I mean, it's great that there's always that choice for you.

02:30:55.020 God gives you the choice, but it's like.

02:30:56.440 He kind of gives you what you want, right?

02:30:57.940 Yeah.

02:30:58.400 Yeah.

02:30:58.760 You're going to get what you want.

02:30:59.980 You want fear?

02:31:01.300 Have some more.

02:31:02.220 Yeah.

02:31:02.660 Have some more.

02:31:03.180 That's why you still, you know, 2025, you'll pass somebody in their car solo dolo with

02:31:07.580 a mask on.

02:31:08.020 And you're just kind of like, yo, I get it, man.

02:31:10.340 Not everybody, not all of us understood before 2020, like how corrupt.

02:31:15.260 If we were Bible readers, we should have known.

02:31:16.720 The Bible is very clear that the world is evil, right?

02:31:18.820 Yeah.

02:31:18.960 Like we should have never, ever been trusting something called like the World Health Organization

02:31:22.860 or the United Nations or some preacher called Bill Gates or like whatever.

02:31:26.740 Right.

02:31:26.860 And we should have never been trusting any of these things.

02:31:29.220 If we're real believers, we know the world isn't good.

02:31:32.440 It's not even neutral.

02:31:33.680 It is evil.

02:31:34.860 Yeah.

02:31:35.020 And they've been like doing this with the so-called news.

02:31:38.420 Like somebody owns the news.

02:31:39.960 There's a billionaire that owns the news.

02:31:41.700 Just like there's a billionaire that owns the science.

02:31:44.060 Like somebody has to, there's nobody out there doing science experiments out of the goodness

02:31:47.060 of their heart.

02:31:48.200 Just like, oh yeah.

02:31:48.960 We're getting funded by somebody.

02:31:50.300 Yeah.

02:31:50.480 It has to be funded.

02:31:51.540 And it has to be funded for a reason.

02:31:53.140 They have to show a specific outcome.

02:31:55.060 Like that's what they're being paid to do.

02:31:56.800 Yep.

02:31:57.000 The news is the same, bro.

02:31:58.220 They're just like, they're promoting whatever they want to promote.

02:32:00.680 And then the masses are just like watching the news and just going like, oh yeah, I got

02:32:04.820 to be on the red team or the blue team.

02:32:06.280 And not all, like if I'm on the red team, not only is the blue team wrong, but they're

02:32:09.620 like monsters and idiots.

02:32:11.040 Yes.

02:32:11.320 They're the dumbest creatures on the planet.

02:32:13.180 But if I'm on the blue team, not only is the red team wrong, but the red team is the

02:32:16.440 dumbest creatures on the planet.

02:32:18.120 And like, there can't be any compatibility because they're monsters.

02:32:21.440 And like, there's just this whole thing of division because of the people ever stopped

02:32:24.820 and they're like, yo, what's going on?

02:32:27.000 Like what, like what they have a money machine.

02:32:28.960 And then even if you do know what's going on, they'll give you something to latch on

02:32:33.220 to.

02:32:33.500 Yeah.

02:32:33.660 And that is what I think QAnon was.

02:32:35.700 So it's like, you know, there's a lot of truth in QAnon, just like there is in any

02:32:38.940 of these systems.

02:32:40.280 But there's a fundamental lie somewhere.

02:32:42.440 And all these people waking up around that time, like what's going on?

02:32:45.200 QAnon showed a lot of stuff ahead of time, though, bro.

02:32:47.400 Like he said a lot.

02:32:48.360 There's a lot of, no, there is a lot of stuff ahead of time.

02:32:50.300 Like there's a lot of stuff, but I think it's one of the more integrated psychological

02:32:56.020 operations into like the bigger picture.

02:32:58.160 Like it's the same thing.

02:33:00.440 It's like, instead of Jesus Christ, when you wake up latching onto that, it's like, here's

02:33:05.880 this other thing to latch on to.

02:33:07.140 And it's Q and it's telling you a lot of different things.

02:33:09.040 Like this guy's going to say, no, no, no.

02:33:10.000 I was never like that.

02:33:10.920 But I was like, I was into it.

02:33:12.080 This dude is saying a thing like, like God says that God says, I'll tell you a thing

02:33:15.740 before it happens so that you'll know when it happens.

02:33:18.680 Good thing to emulate.

02:33:19.360 So whenever I see that in anything, I say, okay, you got my attention.

02:33:22.780 Oh, I had my attention.

02:33:23.900 Or this or that or whatever.

02:33:24.960 Well, no, I don't think there is.

02:33:26.360 You're saying crazy stuff that everybody else is saying the opposite.

02:33:29.380 Yeah.

02:33:29.660 You're saying the exact opposite of everybody else.

02:33:31.460 But then it comes true.

02:33:32.680 Okay.

02:33:32.980 You got my attention.

02:33:33.600 It's interesting, though, because at the end of it, it's like they're telling you to have

02:33:35.940 faith.

02:33:36.280 And I like a lot of his politics and everything.

02:33:38.780 I'm not like, I believe that politics really is theater.

02:33:43.740 You know, at the highest level.

02:33:44.420 It is theater.

02:33:45.240 Like, there's no way it's anything else, bro.

02:33:47.180 Right, right.

02:33:47.660 So I think these dudes, like if the one guy's on the blue team, like there's this creature

02:33:53.320 called Chuck Schumer.

02:33:54.780 Yeah.

02:33:55.200 Like Nancy Pelosi.

02:33:56.700 You think they're not totally in cahoots with like Lindsey Graham?

02:33:59.920 Of course.

02:34:00.200 It's all.

02:34:00.500 It's all.

02:34:01.080 They come.

02:34:01.480 It's WWF.

02:34:02.540 Yeah.

02:34:02.720 They're out there like body slamming.

02:34:04.780 That's why they just had Triple H at the White House.

02:34:07.120 They had a God rest his soul.

02:34:09.440 Hulk Hogan at the RNC and all that kind of stuff.

02:34:11.780 You know what I mean?

02:34:12.120 But at the end of it, they're not telling you to have like QAnon's not telling you to

02:34:16.380 have faith in Jesus Christ.

02:34:18.040 It's telling you to have faith in.

02:34:19.560 Well, in the system.

02:34:20.440 It's telling you to have faith in Donald Trump.

02:34:22.220 Donald Trump is Q.

02:34:23.500 That's what they're saying.

02:34:24.200 A lot of these.

02:34:24.880 Oh, really?

02:34:25.240 I guess I never.

02:34:25.940 I got out of the Q a couple of years ago.

02:34:27.560 Yeah.

02:34:27.760 I don't know.

02:34:28.020 Just whenever I heard it, I was like, damn, this dude's saying stuff and he knows what's

02:34:31.860 up.

02:34:32.540 Yeah.

02:34:32.920 Well, what?

02:34:33.400 So they're saying that Donald Trump is the savior.

02:34:35.600 Yeah.

02:34:35.780 He's the savior.

02:34:36.560 He's going to save all the children.

02:34:37.860 It's like, trust the plan.

02:34:38.760 That's like, but it's never.

02:34:40.500 No, no, no.

02:34:40.680 So the thing with Trump is like, so 2016, like I had just given up on so-called politics.

02:34:45.640 So like, no, this makes sense.

02:34:47.340 I don't understand what's going on.

02:34:48.640 But then this dude came out and not only was he like not reading off cue cards, because

02:34:52.760 you know how some.

02:34:53.420 Oh, yeah, yeah.

02:34:53.980 Political creatures.

02:34:55.000 You're just like the cadence.

02:34:56.760 Yeah.

02:34:56.860 You're just like going like, you're like, is there even a human in there?

02:34:59.580 Like, I think that human's so gone.

02:35:01.440 They're not even in there.

02:35:02.280 That's why Obama was like people were never.

02:35:04.020 They were hypnotized by Obama's cadence.

02:35:05.680 But I'm like, that cadence is false.

02:35:06.980 It's not a natural way of speaking whatsoever.

02:35:08.780 They all talk like that.

02:35:10.180 Like even this last time they said the chick Kamala Harris, they said that she talked with

02:35:14.760 like word salad because she could talk in circles and never answer the question.

02:35:17.700 Like before the dude Trump, everybody talked like that.

02:35:20.160 Yeah.

02:35:20.320 That's how much he changed the game.

02:35:21.920 So anyway, he comes on the scene and he's like saying things like a normal human, whether

02:35:26.300 you like him or not.

02:35:27.020 You're like, he's saying it's refreshing like a normal human.

02:35:29.840 Republicans hate him.

02:35:30.800 Democrats hate him.

02:35:31.680 The media hates him.

02:35:32.740 Which at that time, that's all I knew.

02:35:34.680 I was like, OK, those are the most evil things on the planet.

02:35:37.560 And then I was like, God, what like, what are you doing?

02:35:42.100 Like, I don't care what the dude Trump is doing.

02:35:43.700 God, what are you doing?

02:35:44.600 If you're bringing this guy on the scene, you've brought dudes on the scene before, like

02:35:48.060 Darius or Nebuchadnezzar or Cyrus or whoever, like you bring dudes on the scene.

02:35:52.540 I'm not saying this guy's good or holy or a Christian or not.

02:35:55.920 I'm not saying any of that.

02:35:56.820 I'm saying, God, what are you doing?

02:35:58.500 Right.

02:35:58.720 This is a new thing.

02:35:59.820 Like we haven't had this before.

02:36:01.640 What's going on?

02:36:02.140 Whatever this is, this is a new thing.

02:36:04.000 And I knew that that first time we ran.

02:36:05.820 Yeah.

02:36:06.380 And that's why I've just been intrigued by what he's doing.

02:36:08.260 It's like you weren't wrong for because it's obviously been important and pivotal and it's

02:36:12.920 changed the direction of the country in a massive way.

02:36:15.140 And well, it's forced recognition of things.

02:36:17.240 He brought light.

02:36:18.160 Yeah.

02:36:18.320 A lot of stuff that nobody like like the news when he was saying it, you're like a conspiracy

02:36:22.960 theorist.

02:36:23.380 Like now everybody knows it.

02:36:24.620 He started as a what was it?

02:36:26.920 What would you call it?

02:36:28.260 Birth, birther, a birth certificate guy.

02:36:30.820 Right.

02:36:30.920 Yeah.

02:36:31.580 Exactly.

02:36:32.220 Yeah.

02:36:32.400 And also he's talked about.

02:36:33.820 Turns out that's true.

02:36:34.480 Turns out that's true.

02:36:35.440 He's talked about Max and he's, he's talking about all the stuff, bro.

02:36:38.580 That like, that like never would have been brought to light.

02:36:41.380 Yeah.

02:36:41.640 So I'll always be grateful to him for that.

02:36:43.780 I'll always be grateful that he did that or that everything else, who knows, dude, let's

02:36:47.460 see the story unfold.

02:36:48.360 I mean, it's an interesting one.

02:36:49.960 Like, cause he kind of pushed the Epstein thing to the forefront.

02:36:53.980 Yeah.

02:36:54.320 Right.

02:36:54.660 And, but he does that, bro.

02:36:55.880 Like he made him beg for his tax returns.

02:36:57.800 Remember when he made him beg for his tax returns?

02:36:59.480 Yeah.

02:36:59.740 Yeah.

02:36:59.940 And then he gave the tax returns and there was nothing in it.

02:37:01.760 Yeah.

02:37:02.300 Like, it's almost like the Epstein, maybe he's like making him beg for that.

02:37:05.680 Who knows?

02:37:06.120 Who knows?

02:37:06.720 But that's a major distraction too, bro.

02:37:08.860 It's like, I used to get into, and I still do.

02:37:11.180 Cause it's fun to try to predict where the theater is going.

02:37:14.460 Cause that is how I look at it.

02:37:15.520 I go, okay.

02:37:15.900 So if this is a movie, which way is it going to go?

02:37:17.820 But, but at the end of the day, it's like, I don't need to know.

02:37:22.440 And it's kind of folly.

02:37:23.280 I do the same thing.

02:37:23.980 I do the same thing.

02:37:24.420 Like maybe he went to all of them and said, you guys get out of my hair the last four years

02:37:28.500 and I won't expose this.

02:37:29.840 But I do think it's, it's more entertaining than like anything on Netflix, anything like

02:37:33.920 that.

02:37:34.140 You know what I mean?

02:37:34.540 So it's, it's fun to watch.

02:37:35.960 Reality is crazy.

02:37:36.560 Yeah, it really is.

02:37:37.460 This dude's me, Nova Kooten in Alaska now.

02:37:39.980 Like that, like, like, I don't know.

02:37:41.520 I'm intrigued by world events because I am intrigued by like the Antichrist system has come.

02:37:47.280 Like the beast system's come in.

02:37:49.200 Well, we're not meant to not look for it.

02:37:51.840 Right, right, right.

02:37:52.920 Amen.

02:37:53.280 We're supposed to be looking for his return.

02:37:54.800 Just because we don't know the day or the hour.

02:37:56.860 I'm looking for his return, but I know that that's kind of wrapped up in it.

02:38:00.180 I mean, if there are signs, then they're meant to be seen, right?

02:38:03.380 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:03.860 And Jesus held the Pharisees accountable for not understanding the day they lived in.

02:38:07.480 Like he held them accountable for that.

02:38:09.220 Like, like you're, you're, he said, you guys don't know the day of your visitation.

02:38:13.020 Like I'm holding you accountable for the day that you understand the day you live in.

02:38:16.400 Right.

02:38:16.900 So there's an element of that, which makes me intrigued by it.

02:38:19.160 Or like, like macroeconomics or just like the, the politics or whatever.

02:38:23.620 Not, not like between R's and D's in America, but just like on the world stage.

02:38:27.460 Right, right.

02:38:28.180 Like, yeah, I'm kind of intrigued by that.

02:38:29.600 And this dude's got like all these peace deals and stuff.

02:38:31.800 They keep talking about Trump getting like the peace, the peace prize.

02:38:35.700 This is a weird thing.

02:38:37.740 There's one that just popped up.

02:38:39.340 That's real interesting.

02:38:40.100 We're going to look into it.

02:38:41.660 I like this one.

02:38:42.880 This is crazy.

02:38:43.920 In Canada, they're not allowing people near their state forests or their state parks.

02:38:49.340 I don't even know if it's state parks.

02:38:50.500 It's just like the forest.

02:38:51.700 The forest.

02:38:52.300 Like you can't be within a certain amount of feet from the tree.

02:38:55.200 They just fined a dude, $28,000 for entering the woods.

02:38:58.860 Canadian dollars.

02:38:59.720 So who knows?

02:39:00.060 Who knows?

02:39:00.380 That's like $5, right?

02:39:01.360 But no.

02:39:01.940 You know, it's serious though.

02:39:02.840 So for, so what?

02:39:04.440 Because, dog, there are deep underground military bases where they're creating chimeric creatures

02:39:10.460 and they had a Meals on Wheels deal where they were feeding them people.

02:39:13.960 But that guy, Jesus said in the end of, in the end times, it will be like the days of Noah.

02:39:19.380 That's right.

02:39:19.840 He did say that.

02:39:20.320 And that's what's underground, dog.

02:39:22.600 Here's what I think.

02:39:23.480 I think that the military budget has dried up a little bit and all of the cryptid hybrids

02:39:27.700 that they've been maintaining and feeding.

02:39:29.400 They're coming up to the surface.

02:39:30.460 We don't have the budget anymore, so they put him in the forest.

02:39:33.120 And now the people are like on the outskirts of the forest and just getting smashed.

02:39:36.100 So you don't want to go to caves with us?

02:39:37.900 Wait, wait, wait.

02:39:38.140 You heard it here first, dog.

02:39:39.780 That didn't work.

02:39:41.720 I'm going to do it again.

02:39:42.860 You heard it here first.

02:39:43.700 Okay, perfect.

02:39:44.560 Yeah.

02:39:45.040 I don't know what's going on.

02:39:45.860 That was a little creepy, but I'm going to be like it.

02:39:48.560 But yeah, he did say as it was in the days of Noah.

02:39:50.900 He said two different days.

02:39:52.100 As it was in the days of Noah that'll be at the coming of the Son of Man.

02:39:54.680 As it was in the days of Lot.

02:39:56.160 We already alluded to what was going down at Lot's day.

02:39:58.500 Like this crazy sodomy that was more than just boys wanted to hunt boys.

02:40:02.080 It was like this brazen, aggressive homosexuality.

02:40:06.100 It was just like going hard and demanding.

02:40:07.780 We've seen that because it was in Chicago when they were doing the pride parade.

02:40:10.960 That's what it is now.

02:40:12.140 And they were sucking each other off in a kiddie pool.

02:40:14.160 They were on YouTube.

02:40:15.440 They were effelatioing each other in a kiddie pool.

02:40:18.600 And when they went to the cops to be like, yo, are you not going to do anything about that?

02:40:21.480 They were like, honestly, it's more trouble than it's worth.

02:40:24.060 The cops were like, it's more trouble than it's worth.

02:40:25.880 We're living in that.

02:40:26.780 Like, don't people say that?

02:40:28.180 Like, if God doesn't destroy America, we'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.

02:40:31.960 Yeah.

02:40:32.380 People say that.

02:40:33.380 That's a really rough.

02:40:35.560 But yeah.

02:40:36.420 It's yeah.

02:40:37.120 But anyway, so there's that day and then there's the day of Noah, which like the first, I mean,

02:40:42.700 the first implication is that it's going to be a suddenly thing.

02:40:46.060 As it was in the days of Noah, so we in the summer.

02:40:48.480 We take it to mean there's going to be Nephilim.

02:40:50.420 Well, they say if you'd study the language that, yeah, he is saying not just, not just

02:40:55.620 that it'll be a suddenly.

02:40:56.700 All types.

02:40:57.540 Yeah.

02:40:57.680 That's the first point is that like, it'll be a sudden, like everybody's just going to

02:41:00.860 be doing their thing.

02:41:01.620 And then boom, it's going to happen gradually.

02:41:03.540 That's the first implication.

02:41:05.000 But on the next level below that is that the culture is going to be similar.

02:41:08.200 Like what's going on on the planet?

02:41:09.220 And the beasts of the earth.

02:41:11.100 Dog.

02:41:11.560 That's what, that's what, that's what's happening in Canada.

02:41:14.040 So do you want to go to the cave system with us?

02:41:16.460 No way, bro.

02:41:17.240 That's, yeah.

02:41:17.740 That's, but that's what's happening in Canada.

02:41:19.840 Something strange is happening in Canada.

02:41:22.780 And I think you guys doing a podcast from there, or you're just going to do it over there?

02:41:26.680 I'm like, no, we're not going to go to Canada.

02:41:27.220 Why would we go to Canada?

02:41:27.840 I would never go to Canada.

02:41:29.020 Canada is disgusting.

02:41:30.500 I'm not even sure.

02:41:31.320 We're not even people.

02:41:32.100 So you're going to have a guy on to talk about that.

02:41:33.940 Well, we're probably going to have, I don't think we could find anybody because the people

02:41:36.700 that we do find, they're like, oh, we're not in, you know.

02:41:39.080 Oh, this is like breaking news.

02:41:40.400 Yeah.

02:41:40.540 We're not at liberty to discuss this sort of thing.

02:41:42.760 It's unfolding as we, like, as we speak right now, like they're arresting people.

02:41:46.860 They're doing, I think they're calling it a climate lockdown, but it's just specifically.

02:41:50.780 Wait, are you guys being serious right now?

02:41:52.460 Yeah, don't.

02:41:53.040 I can't tell what you guys are messing with.

02:41:54.440 No, this is super, super serial right now.

02:41:57.420 Really?

02:41:57.900 They're saying a climate thing, and you can't.

02:41:59.860 28, the guy literally was like, here's the fine.

02:42:02.500 And he put the fine up to the camera.

02:42:03.940 $28,800 and something dollars.

02:42:06.220 Yeah.

02:42:06.620 For stepping into the forest.

02:42:07.760 That nation's weird, bro.

02:42:08.980 Yeah, dude.

02:42:09.900 But they're coming from the north.

02:42:11.400 There's like a bunch of cool Canadians that come to the shop.

02:42:14.380 That's not getting carried away.

02:42:16.860 No, but it's it.

02:42:19.200 That country is gone, yeah.

02:42:20.320 The country is weird, bro.

02:42:20.920 Yeah.

02:42:21.140 What they did to the truckers, it's just, that's crazy.

02:42:23.640 I remember I was white-knuckling it, watching the truckers.

02:42:25.940 I was like, I knew it.

02:42:27.400 It's madness, bro.

02:42:28.280 For all the crap that we gave Canadians, you know, the trucker convoy was a pretty big deal.

02:42:32.880 It's a rough one, man.

02:42:33.840 It's like, what do you do?

02:42:35.620 Do you abandon your homeland and just let it go?

02:42:38.360 Because they've completely bought into a certain ideology, and they're going full bore to it.

02:42:42.180 And to me, like, that's why we left New York part of it.

02:42:44.880 It's like, is there any way to turn this around?

02:42:47.160 No, no, no.

02:42:47.880 Well, the issue is that.

02:42:48.980 People say, like, stay and fight.

02:42:50.300 If you own the, like, if the government owns the media, which is, that's what we have, bro.

02:42:56.660 We could, like, beat around the bush about it and say, no, technically the government doesn't own the media.

02:43:00.040 Yeah, but they do.

02:43:01.120 They influence the whole thing.

02:43:02.540 So, like, if you have the media, you can brainwash the people into thinking whatever view you have is the dominant view.

02:43:08.520 Yeah.

02:43:08.780 But it's not.

02:43:09.420 It can't.

02:43:09.840 It's not.

02:43:10.360 It's like, you could have this view, like, the woke view.

02:43:12.800 It's like, I don't know if it's 5% or 10% of the culture.

02:43:15.340 They can make you think, you know, everybody's woke.

02:43:16.840 Everybody, right.

02:43:17.280 Everybody's woke because we'll just pump it all the time.

02:43:19.040 And they go out and they go, where's your mask?

02:43:20.880 Yeah.

02:43:21.320 It was like they ran this thing that, like, everybody's racist, right?

02:43:24.140 Right.

02:43:24.720 Like, around the corona time and all that stuff.

02:43:27.300 And then it was like, but you'd go to a basketball game, like a high school basketball game.

02:43:31.400 And there's, like, white people and black people just, like, hugging.

02:43:34.580 And, hey, how you been, brother, man?

02:43:35.820 Like, what's going on?

02:43:36.440 Like, everybody's good.

02:43:37.600 Right.

02:43:37.920 And you're just like, well, I don't, like, I don't know, man.

02:43:40.320 Is everybody racist?

02:43:41.420 Like, I'm not seeing it.

02:43:42.720 I talk about this all the time.

02:43:43.900 If perception is reality and you could engineer the perception, then you've effectively casted a spell.

02:43:48.740 Yes.

02:43:49.300 Yeah, bro.

02:43:50.040 See, you guys know what's up.

02:43:51.160 That's what I'm saying, man.

02:43:52.180 It's like, that's a heavy thought, but just accurate.

02:43:54.920 Oh.

02:43:56.200 All right.

02:43:56.680 Yeah.

02:43:57.000 I think this is a good place.

02:43:57.960 We went over.

02:43:59.520 It's fine.

02:44:00.020 But I think this is a good place to wrap it.

02:44:01.700 Let's leave some meat on the bone.

02:44:02.760 No, that's fair.

02:44:03.180 We have to do this again.

02:44:03.680 You've got to come back.

02:44:04.340 No, I'm down.

02:44:05.180 Will you have us back?

02:44:06.300 Yeah.

02:44:06.560 That's going to ruin your reputation.

02:44:07.760 I don't care.

02:44:08.400 This is, like, the funnest thing, dude.

02:44:09.860 This is great.

02:44:10.920 All right.

02:44:11.500 All right, perfect.

02:44:12.020 Without saying it, was this more fun than your previous interview?

02:44:14.740 Just don't say anything.

02:44:15.660 Don't say anything bad about the previous one.

02:44:17.460 But say you only could say anything.

02:44:19.520 All right.

02:44:24.620 Perfect, man.

02:44:25.260 Guys, thank you for tuning in.

02:44:27.660 Again, if you're in the Lady Lake area or you have another spot in Brownwood, visit the

02:44:32.080 standard coffee shop.

02:44:33.140 Grab some coffee.

02:44:33.840 Good coffee.

02:44:34.260 Hang out with Matt.

02:44:35.260 Haven't met your wife, but I'm sure she's just as wonderful as you.

02:44:37.980 She's wonderful.

02:44:38.600 Yeah.

02:44:38.880 So go support people that don't hate you.

02:44:42.100 Please.

02:44:42.860 Wait, can I say anything before?

02:44:43.980 No.

02:44:44.560 Absolutely not.

02:44:45.340 No.

02:44:46.520 No, you should read a Bible.

02:44:48.180 I don't know who's, like, listening or whatever, but, like, you should read a Bible every day.

02:44:52.760 Yeah.

02:44:52.940 Is this the one that's looking at me?

02:44:54.100 No, that's the one.

02:44:55.120 You should read a Bible every day.

02:44:56.540 Right.

02:44:56.720 Yeah, you.

02:44:57.880 People, that's actually a better advice.

02:44:59.800 That's the key to everything.

02:45:01.080 It's a messaging system from the creator of the universe.

02:45:03.400 You don't want to blow that off and say, I'm a little busy with the Kardashians and TikTok.

02:45:06.780 Don't say Kardashian anymore.

02:45:08.020 But drink standard, the standard coffee while you read the Bible.

02:45:11.500 Yes.

02:45:11.940 Every day.

02:45:12.560 That works.

02:45:14.260 It works to read it.

02:45:15.460 Guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply.

02:45:20.020 Bye.

02:45:21.040 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

02:45:27.500 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

02:45:31.300 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

02:45:36.640 Because they'll see the face of an expectation that portrays the bigger picture of what they have.

02:45:46.000 You can make a child.

02:45:49.860 You can succeed.

02:45:52.020 You can say she or she has to be a son.

02:45:56.840 You can send her sometimes.

02:45:58.120 But there is another way to see.

02:46:02.420 You can send her usually.

Nephilim Death Squad - August 12, 2025

193： Sunday Coffee w⧸ Matt Hepner ｜ LIVE FROM THE STANDARD COFFEE SHOP

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