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00:02:09.400 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:14.480 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:02:55.220 I'm excited.

00:02:55.920 I'm really excited to get into the guest today.

00:02:57.860 David, introduce him and we'll bring him on stage.

00:02:59.460 Well, we had a conversation not long ago with Wes and he was working on the Meadow Project.

00:03:05.180 And there was a lot that he couldn't say about it because the documentary was going to get released

00:03:08.480 shortly after that interview.

00:03:09.600 Now we have Trey Hudson on the show who has a much more intimate relationship with the things that happened there.

00:03:15.560 But before we get into that discussion, and there's a lot of people that wanted to know

00:03:19.540 more details about the Meadow Project and everything that took place, couldn't tell him at the time.

00:03:24.140 So very excited to be able to get into that today.

00:03:26.240 But you have some books and I know you're working on a second one.

00:03:29.400 You have a first one.

00:03:30.080 Where can people find your work?

00:03:32.120 Yeah, the best place to find my work is you go to the local liquor store, go in the back alley,

00:03:38.200 look under the cardboard box with the greasy stain coming up.

00:03:41.220 And I'm underneath.

00:03:42.080 No, I'm kidding.

00:03:42.760 I'm kidding.

00:03:43.920 That's actually where we found them.

00:03:45.500 That's right.

00:03:46.000 I am somewhat sober and reasonable individual, I hope.

00:03:50.260 No, actually, the best thing for updates is my Facebook page, which is Trey Hudson-Author.

00:03:56.980 And I post all the updates and everything there.

00:03:59.900 Like you said, I've got my first book is published.

00:04:02.700 My second book is published and out there.

00:04:06.460 And so we've got the Meadow Project documentary, which, you know, I really am proud of.

00:04:11.900 A lot of work went into that and the results were quite astounding.

00:04:16.620 And then you can also go to TreyHudsonResearch.com.

00:04:20.040 And once the Meadow Project gets wide released, I'm going to start putting some of the data

00:04:26.360 and, you know, videos and, you know, all of that kind of stuff out there, too.

00:04:30.400 So, yeah, it's a lot of stuff going on.

00:04:33.200 I'm pretty busy for a retired guy, which is kind of crazy.

00:04:36.540 I'm busier now than I was when I worked.

00:04:40.160 What did you do previously?

00:04:42.140 I, yeah, okay.

00:04:43.580 Now all of your audiences are going to kind of freak out when I say this.

00:04:47.140 I retired out of the U.S. government after 34 years.

00:04:52.540 I started off as a U.S. Army intelligence officer.

00:04:55.300 I rolled into civil service as a security specialist.

00:05:00.800 And I was in an intelligence community designated position.

00:05:05.680 And I retired as chief of intelligence and security out of 1ODOD's organic industrial bases, OIBs,

00:05:13.080 which is like, people don't know this, but the Department of Defense has factories where

00:05:16.140 they build stuff, you know, huge defense factories.

00:05:20.300 So, you know, that's what I did.

00:05:21.960 And so, you know, I'm that guy, you know, that government guy.

00:05:26.980 But this is, then this is like right up your alley.

00:05:28.720 Like you retired and kind of went directly into almost the same sort of work.

00:05:32.620 Like, would you consider what you saw at the Meadow something that the government would

00:05:37.220 have been interested or possibly is interested for defense capabilities, things like that?

00:05:42.360 I mean, you know, supernatural stuff.

00:05:44.740 No, it's really, it's really weird because I just got asked that question last week is

00:05:50.500 I may or may not have worked in the special program arena.

00:05:55.480 Okay.

00:05:56.000 The SAPs.

00:05:58.260 So, you know, people can read into that what they wish.

00:06:00.560 Uh, and there were things that I worked on where I had very direct, uh, support from

00:06:06.580 counterintelligence, special agents.

00:06:08.640 Like I would meet with them monthly, you know, they would come to my office, we'd sit in my

00:06:11.760 conference room and we talk, do work stuff.

00:06:14.980 And, you know, we would chit chat and I had mentioned to one of the agents, you know, he

00:06:19.340 just, you know, we were just chit chatting.

00:06:20.760 The guy was a friend of mine and he said, you know, what are you up to?

00:06:22.520 And I said, Hey, I just, you know, released a book.

00:06:24.080 And he goes, Oh, interesting.

00:06:25.080 What's the book about?

00:06:25.980 And I told him in the, there was my first book, the metal project.

00:06:29.740 And he said, that sounds really cool.

00:06:31.460 I'm going to order a copy.

00:06:32.460 So he ordered a copy and he read it.

00:06:35.140 Next time we met, he's like, Hey, could you sign my copy?

00:06:38.760 And that's about the only interest that the government has ever had in this because I was

00:06:42.780 the government guy.

00:06:44.240 And at any time they could have come to me and said, Hey, Trey, you know, we, we just

00:06:47.560 want you to give us an after action review of what you're finding.

00:06:51.320 Uh, and just, you know, or, you know, we would like to insert a operative, maybe into, into

00:06:57.960 your operation and go out with you just to, you know, kind of see what's going on.

00:07:01.640 But none of that happened.

00:07:02.800 Uh, which is really odd because, you know, the, uh, Ryan Skinner, the guy who actually

00:07:07.860 wrote the book on Skinwalker Ranch, you know, started the whole, you know, Skinwalker Ranch

00:07:13.180 thing, Sherman Ranch thing actually compares this to Skinwalker Ranch.

00:07:16.800 And in his opinion, you know, this is equally up there as a, uh, you know,

00:07:21.300 a geocentric, uh, point of high strangeness.

00:07:23.580 So, uh, yeah, no, they don't, they don't seem interested at all.

00:07:27.120 Well, so your, this, this, your investigations in the meadow overlapped with your career a

00:07:32.700 little bit, I guess.

00:07:33.820 Yeah.

00:07:34.420 Yeah.

00:07:34.840 Yeah.

00:07:35.040 They were, uh, I started, the meadow started in 2016.

00:07:38.820 Really?

00:07:39.440 Uh, that was the first time we ever really started looking at the area is about 2016

00:07:43.000 and I retired in 2023.

00:07:45.700 And I'm sorry, I feel, I, I feel like this is a probing, but like what got you interested

00:07:51.720 in how did it get on your radar at all?

00:07:54.360 That's a, that's another great question is I started off as a ghost guy, you know, a paranormal

00:07:58.860 researcher.

00:07:59.340 I went to the university of West Georgia.

00:08:01.620 I studied under the famous parapsychologist, Dr.

00:08:04.120 William Roll, a very famous guy.

00:08:05.860 And their program out there is humanistic and transpersonal focused, which is humanistic

00:08:11.540 is the state nature and experience of being human.

00:08:14.560 Transpersonal is how humans, uh, become more than they, than they are, you know, you know,

00:08:20.440 through, uh, you know, their religions, their spirituality, you know, their own self-improvement

00:08:24.480 and self-actualization.

00:08:25.700 So our, uh, head of our department studied under Abraham Maslow.

00:08:30.240 So, uh, you know, that's how I went to the university of West Georgia.

00:08:34.200 So naturally I kind of became a ghost guy, you know, because that's kind of, uh, you

00:08:38.300 know, they have a parent parapsychology program there.

00:08:41.320 And, uh, so I was researching a folklore and I found an area that had a folkloric haunted

00:08:48.800 road, you know, and it's one of those places where if you go way back in the, the sticks

00:08:53.880 and, you know, and Tony talks about it in the documentary, how far back this area is, the

00:08:58.220 locals will say, don't go out there.

00:08:59.720 Them haints will get you, you know, don't ever go out there when the sun is down, boy.

00:09:04.200 You know, that kind of stuff.

00:09:06.300 And, uh, so you tell me not to go somewhere.

00:09:09.240 That's where I'm going.

00:09:10.220 You know, I'm, I'm that guy.

00:09:11.340 I like you.

00:09:12.000 I like this.

00:09:12.680 So, uh, so, uh, so we went out there looking for the haunted road and supposedly the road

00:09:18.140 was paved over a cemetery where they didn't move all the graves and the, the spectral,

00:09:23.480 uh, visages of the inhabitants of the coffins below would come up out of the ground and

00:09:28.780 rake their bony fingers across the side of your car, you know, and all of that good stuff.

00:09:33.360 You know, I, you know, I love a story like that.

00:09:35.320 A lot of times behind folklore, there's truth.

00:09:38.880 So we went out to the haunted road and we didn't see poop.

00:09:43.640 I don't know what I can say on this podcast, but we didn't see, you know, you can say whatever

00:09:47.320 you like.

00:09:48.060 We didn't say we didn't, we didn't dial it back a little bit, but go for it, man.

00:09:52.800 Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not a, I'm not an obscene individual.

00:09:55.420 I mean, I was when I was in Afghanistan, but I've toned it down, but, uh, you know, we didn't

00:09:58.820 see crap.

00:09:59.360 We didn't see anything, but back at base camp, my base camp operator, who was Bob Wilson,

00:10:04.200 the famous, uh, Bigfoot guy that was on Bigfoot is real on the discovery channel.

00:10:08.900 There's a friend was a friend of mine.

00:10:10.300 He passed away.

00:10:11.040 Unfortunately.

00:10:11.440 Uh, he, uh, had a really cool UFO sighting back at base camp, which was quite a ways

00:10:18.000 away from this haunted road.

00:10:19.360 And it's like, I forget that haunted roads garbage.

00:10:22.660 We're going to start looking here.

00:10:24.700 And it just so happens about three quarters of a mile away from base camp was this big

00:10:29.080 open field.

00:10:31.400 And, uh, you know, I, I'm a former government guy, former military guy.

00:10:35.260 So I kind of think like that, you know, I think about logistics and, you know, moving

00:10:38.560 people and stuff and all of that, and I looked at this field and it was a big open expanse.

00:10:44.680 Imagine about eight acres of open field.

00:10:46.980 Number one, it proved to be a large track trap because this area was also known for Bigfoot

00:10:52.320 sightings, hence maybe part of the folklore, Bigfoot sightings, uh, very rich in UFO sightings.

00:10:58.500 The first, probably 25% of my first book, you know, goes into this, you know, quite, quite

00:11:03.920 in depth.

00:11:04.720 And so you had this big open expanse.

00:11:06.400 So if something moved across it, it was a natural track trap.

00:11:09.080 You know, we could track the footfalls, you know, from point A to point B, if it was something

00:11:13.860 like Sasquatch or Bigfoot.

00:11:15.900 Number two, being an open expanse, we could put teams in there at night equipped with thermal

00:11:21.000 and, uh, nods, night vision devices.

00:11:24.140 And we could see something because, you know, it's unobstructed.

00:11:27.920 Number three, to the south of it is a large ridge, you know, probably 100, 150 feet above

00:11:33.660 it.

00:11:34.660 So we could put, also put teams up there that could look down with their equipment and see

00:11:37.660 anything below them.

00:11:39.720 And number four is it had a wide expanse of open sky that we could see anything moving

00:11:43.460 through the sky.

00:11:44.680 So logistically, this really made a lot of sense.

00:11:48.880 You know, it just was a really good place to research because it had so much stuff going

00:11:53.600 for it.

00:11:54.040 And that's kind of by accident.

00:11:56.220 It's one of those, you know, coincidental, uh, you know, uh, serendipity, whatever you

00:12:03.120 want to call it, that we happen to stumble across this particular area.

00:12:06.960 And as it turned out, it is, you know, just chock full of high strangeness.

00:12:14.900 Yeah.

00:12:15.380 So you, you chose it for logistical purposes, not any, uh, we, we were just doing a, we're

00:12:21.000 doing a documentary on primary waters in Florida and turns out like after some questioning,

00:12:26.300 the guy who found the well and dug it, he was using, uh, what are they called?

00:12:31.720 Divination rods.

00:12:32.780 Also dousing rods.

00:12:33.740 Dousing rods.

00:12:34.540 Yeah.

00:12:34.860 Right.

00:12:35.360 Yeah.

00:12:35.640 He was using dousing rods to find this.

00:12:37.940 And I mean, it's a deep, deep underground well, and we're getting the water tested.

00:12:42.000 Um, but that was like, so he stumbled upon that location a bit esoterically.

00:12:47.660 I'd say, yeah, I mean, the, the idea is that he himself was a Freemason and that, um, really

00:12:52.980 what stuck out to us is strange is it, it takes quite a bit of money to commission someone

00:12:57.440 to drill a well.

00:12:58.520 And, uh, the average well is anywhere from a hundred to 300 feet deep, especially in our

00:13:04.120 area.

00:13:04.840 This guy drilled 600 feet deep limestone and then told them to keep digging and the well

00:13:11.640 ends up being 1500 feet deep.

00:13:13.880 So yeah, there's a, there's, it's very strange that he would have committed to such a task,

00:13:17.920 especially just thinking about it from a financial standpoint.

00:13:20.080 Well, it's stranger, it's stranger that Trey would find this, uh, supernatural eight, eight

00:13:25.300 square acres, uh, just like, just with your eyes.

00:13:28.520 So purely logistically, like that's right.

00:13:30.440 Do you think that that's where the most activity happens or, or is it like spread out?

00:13:34.700 Well, it's, it's spread, it's spread out.

00:13:36.260 I mean, the area is strange.

00:13:37.560 And we've seen UFOs and other odd things in other areas, you know, around it, you know,

00:13:42.440 four miles out, five miles out, things like that.

00:13:44.720 But you, you mentioned something interesting is you talked about the individual.

00:13:49.760 Okay.

00:13:50.080 The best piece of equipment for detecting high strangeness isn't something you carry in your

00:13:54.700 rucksack.

00:13:55.680 It's the human being.

00:13:57.300 Okay.

00:13:57.800 That's the best piece of equipment.

00:13:59.600 And it just so happens that a lot of members of my team are trained remote viewers.

00:14:05.040 We're trained in coordinate remote viewing, the military style, uh, remote viewing developed

00:14:09.240 by SRI and U S army NSCOM, you know, uh, uh, Burt Stubblebine and all of that stuff.

00:14:15.280 Uh, you know, and so, you know, we were kind of already kind of attuned to that stuff, but

00:14:21.920 we weren't really out looking for it.

00:14:23.400 So, you know, it's, it's one of those things is, uh, you know, which comes first is that,

00:14:27.840 you know, nature or nurture is, you know, are people drawn to these areas because they

00:14:31.700 have a innate, you know, antenna tuned to the right frequency, or do they just stumble

00:14:36.900 across it or what I was going to get at when it comes to your involvement in the meadow

00:14:41.560 project.

00:14:42.040 And then given your, your, your history, um, in your work life, uh, that those two things,

00:14:48.000 uh, could you call it a coincidence or were you the, the right guy for the right task?

00:14:52.620 The perfect candidate for that.

00:14:53.820 Yeah.

00:14:54.040 You know, it's, it's, it's one of those things that we just have to take on faith, you know,

00:14:59.960 and I'm just finding, you know, the older I get, uh, the more things I just have to take

00:15:04.140 on faith and let happen, you know, quit trying to guide the process and just let it happen.

00:15:08.880 And I don't know, maybe both, you know, maybe both, but, uh, I will tell you our lives haven't

00:15:14.440 been the same afterwards.

00:15:15.840 Trey, can I ask you a question?

00:15:17.160 I guess it might be a little personal.

00:15:18.860 Um, sure.

00:15:19.780 I'm married.

00:15:20.980 Not married.

00:15:21.960 Oh, interested.

00:15:23.280 No, as far as faith goes, like with, uh, you're dealing in the supernatural for years

00:15:29.940 now, since at least 2016, probably longer thinking about it.

00:15:32.620 Where are you at with faith?

00:15:34.540 Because for us and people, yeah, we, uh, we started this show looking into conspiracy,

00:15:41.340 high strangeness and things like that.

00:15:42.680 And then we ended up diving deeper than ever into Christianity and taking that more seriously

00:15:48.600 because it seems like there's a lot of answers there, but where, where do you find yourself?

00:15:51.940 I am a, uh, Bible believing saved Christian.

00:15:57.140 I am, I am drenched in the blood of our savior.

00:16:01.540 Absolutely.

00:16:02.140 One hundred percent.

00:16:03.840 Uh, smart move.

00:16:05.960 Yeah.

00:16:06.380 Yeah.

00:16:06.560 And that's what I tell people, uh, is, you know, I attend church.

00:16:10.280 I was, uh, was, uh, I'm not an active deacon anymore, but I mean, I'm not, they didn't kick

00:16:14.700 me out, but I'm an inactive deacon in one of the big, big denominations.

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00:16:44.880 Uh, one of the Calvinistic denominations.

00:16:49.560 Uh, so yeah, I'm, you know, I'm pretty, you know, pretty strong in my faith.

00:16:54.120 Uh, I think you have to be, uh, you know, one thing I warn people and they touch about

00:16:58.300 it in the film, you know, awards especially goes into it right there at the end is if you

00:17:03.540 go into this business and I'm not talking about, you know, a couple of people taking

00:17:08.360 the, the audio recorder on their cell phone and going into the, the local, you know,

00:17:13.660 supposedly haunted house and sitting around and, you know, laughing, you know, for an

00:17:19.580 hour, I'm talking about people that really, really, really get into this business.

00:17:23.780 It's dangerous.

00:17:25.400 Yeah.

00:17:25.840 I mean, it's dangerous and you have to be dialed in psychologically, physically, and

00:17:32.940 spiritually, or you're not going to make it.

00:17:35.520 You're going to have very negative outcomes.

00:17:37.120 And, uh, you know, that's one thing I have, I don't, there is no litmus test for being,

00:17:42.020 uh, you know, only anomalous studies and observation group.

00:17:44.680 I'm not that guy.

00:17:45.980 Uh, but I do warn people that you, you really need to have a belief system or you're going

00:17:52.380 to have some trouble with this because this stuff, uh, can affect you existentially, uh,

00:17:58.460 if you're not well grounded.

00:18:00.400 Let me ask you this, Trey.

00:18:01.560 So, you know, given your experience, um, and then of course, what we saw in the, in

00:18:06.900 the Meadow project, and we spoke to Wes before a little bit about it.

00:18:09.980 He, he talked about the cube and, and all the strange activity going on with that.

00:18:13.780 And, um, you know, when you watch the documentary, which I recommend to people right now, it's,

00:18:18.100 it's not available.

00:18:18.780 There was a, a, a release that happened.

00:18:21.380 Um, and then after the release and the general public got access to it, uh, it's, it, you know,

00:18:26.900 has been pulled back and it's going to be released in its entirety or something to that

00:18:29.740 extent.

00:18:29.920 So we're waiting on, on that to happen.

00:18:31.520 But if you watch the documentary, uh, it's, it's pretty wild, especially you have infrared

00:18:37.460 cameras, uh, that are viewing this entire scenario.

00:18:40.940 You can see this cube that Wes described as hovering only maybe a foot on the ground or

00:18:47.440 something like that, 20 by, or possibly 30 by 30, something of that size.

00:18:51.760 Um, and, and, uh, you know, so this whole thing is, is riddled with bizarre, inexplicable

00:18:58.640 activity, but what do you think is happening in these locations?

00:19:02.500 You have a skin Walker ranch, you have a meadow. 1.00

00:19:05.360 There's also another one.

00:19:06.720 I forget what it is.

00:19:07.440 It's, it's something wolf ranch.

00:19:09.360 Um, that space wall.

00:19:11.160 Yeah, that's right.

00:19:12.020 Right.

00:19:12.340 So you had these areas of high strangeness.

00:19:14.440 What's your running theory?

00:19:16.100 Um, uh, you know, I find your perspective fascinating as, as somebody who has the faith that you have,

00:19:21.100 but also has the, um, the, the career that you had, uh, what's your running theory on,

00:19:25.820 on these locations?

00:19:26.580 Why in certain places is this more prevalent than others?

00:19:30.760 I think it's a couple of things, uh, is I think these places are a lot more common than

00:19:36.540 people think.

00:19:37.620 And unfortunately, you know, from a very early age, we are trained to worship at the altar

00:19:44.460 of science, you know, which isn't a bad, I'm not anti, I'm not a Luddite.

00:19:49.540 I'm not anti-science.

00:19:50.640 Okay.

00:19:50.980 You know, guess what?

00:19:51.580 I have a cell phone and electricity and all that good stuff.

00:19:54.100 But I think that, uh, you know, you have to look at other things and our team, our mission

00:19:59.120 statement is we look at phenomena from both the experiential and the empirical side of

00:20:04.100 it.

00:20:04.600 You know, you have to look at stuff as a human being.

00:20:06.780 My philosophy is if you have all this stuff happening and there's not a human being to

00:20:10.900 experience, then what's, what's the point?

00:20:13.020 Why bother?

00:20:15.520 So, uh, you know, going back to your original question is what do I think is going on?

00:20:20.000 I think that there are areas on the earth.

00:20:22.520 And you mentioned Skinwalker Ranch, Marley Woods, uh, uh, the, the, the, the ranch in

00:20:29.180 Colorado, you know, which Katie Page talks about a lot, which I luckily had her, uh, she 0.88

00:20:33.840 took me out there to that ranch in Colorado last year.

00:20:36.640 I think that for some reason, the veil, and that sounds all esoteric and, you know, just,

00:20:45.100 it's just a term, the barrier, if you will, the membrane, if you will, between reality,

00:20:50.720 between dimensions is a little bit thinner.

00:20:52.840 And you can interact with data entities, non-human intelligences, whatever, in some of these

00:21:01.140 places.

00:21:01.760 Now, I just literally talked to Steve Mira of the, the doorway project, uh, a few days

00:21:07.500 ago.

00:21:08.780 And, you know, there are a lot of theories that these places have geomagnetic sinks.

00:21:12.840 You know, these places, you know, maybe have a running water and quartz, you know, there's

00:21:17.560 some sort of, there's some sort of geological, geographical special, you know, specialness to

00:21:24.500 these places.

00:21:26.040 And, or these non-human intelligences are using it in several ways.

00:21:31.900 And I'm going to use wind as an example.

00:21:33.680 Wind is a natural occurring phenomenon.

00:21:36.360 We, as humans, can just, uh, we can use wind to our, our furtherances, you know, like with

00:21:44.880 sailboats, big ships, or we can generate wind artificially and use it for our own means,

00:21:52.580 like you would with an airboat or a hovercraft with a large fan in the back.

00:21:57.420 But nevertheless, it is an artificial, I mean, a natural phenomenon.

00:22:01.220 Uh, so why wonder if these places that are naturally thin areas and, uh, what John Keel

00:22:09.120 called ultra terrestrials in my first book, I used the term paradimensionals.

00:22:12.920 If these paradimensionals are using these places because they're naturally, a, a naturally,

00:22:18.000 uh, occurring portal, if you will, or if they're generating it using some sort of technology.

00:22:23.600 And that's why we're picking up like radiation spikes and possible micro singularities and

00:22:27.720 relativistic sinks and stuff like that.

00:22:29.520 So, uh, take all of that and jumble it up.

00:22:33.600 The answer is, I don't know.

00:22:36.040 Okay.

00:22:36.440 I'll tell you, not only do I not know the answers, I might not even know what the right

00:22:40.800 questions are.

00:22:41.740 You know, it's that strange.

00:22:44.280 I have been, so, uh, recently we were talking about it yesterday.

00:22:47.780 One more time.

00:22:48.300 What's that?

00:22:49.040 She's this Congresswoman. 0.99

00:22:50.180 Her name is Luna or something like that.

00:22:51.800 Anna Polina Luna.

00:22:52.880 Anna Polina Luna.

00:22:53.960 She, she posts something rather fascinating on, on Twitter.

00:22:57.320 And it's this diagram that is trying to explain, um, and for what, you know, uh, angle of expertise,

00:23:04.120 I'm not sure, but trying to explain the way that an angel would exist and that an angel exists

00:23:10.120 as data.

00:23:10.920 Uh, and that data seems to be one of the, the, the, I don't know, just, just another dimension.

00:23:17.820 So when you're talking about, are you engaging with, are you encountering entities or data

00:23:23.140 is one of the things that you said.

00:23:24.440 And then you mentioned quartz being a potential component to an area that would make it thin

00:23:30.540 of, of veil.

00:23:31.480 Um, and quartz being a component in microchips, you get where I'm going with this.

00:23:37.420 I'm like, I'm wondering, maybe there's something much more to data than we understand.

00:23:42.800 Uh, uh, and I know we beat this to death, but the idea that ideas are alive and, uh, when

00:23:50.980 you're engaging with it, let's, let's say the internet, you're, it's just this exchange

00:23:55.700 of data, information, and ideas.

00:23:57.120 Your brain, your brain is like a synapse of electricity.

00:24:00.040 So the idea would be, there are electrical currents that are transmitting information

00:24:05.320 constantly back and forth.

00:24:06.780 Well, what are the conductors?

00:24:08.360 Are there, is it quartz?

00:24:09.220 Is it running water?

00:24:10.660 Is it, uh, well, what's it, what's the statue of Liberty made out of?

00:24:13.700 Oh, uh, copper, copper.

00:24:15.180 It's just this huge copper monument that sits in a bay in New York City.

00:24:19.560 It's like a massive conductor.

00:24:20.440 Yeah.

00:24:20.600 It's a conductor, but for what?

00:24:21.680 And like, no one's really questioning, but it's definitely doing something because that

00:24:24.600 place is kind of full.

00:24:25.640 Well, and I think all of that plugs into this idea of where, where,

00:24:29.820 and I don't want to deviate too far, but where AI is going and then all the concerns,

00:24:33.780 the spiritual concerns with what artificial intelligence is.

00:24:36.540 In the, in, in your documentary, um, there's a point where the, you guys are using, uh,

00:24:42.160 a spirit com, I believe.

00:24:43.520 Right.

00:24:43.740 Or a spirit box.

00:24:44.120 We're using the Estes method.

00:24:45.860 Yeah.

00:24:47.000 Okay.

00:24:47.220 And you were, you were talking, talking about copper and that's, that's why I always stuff

00:24:51.300 a dollar's worth of pennies in my underwear.

00:24:53.140 I jingle when I walk, but it seems to help.

00:24:56.220 No, I'm kidding.

00:24:56.900 I'm kidding.

00:24:57.800 I believe it.

00:24:58.980 They call me Mr. Bojangles.

00:25:00.460 It's, it's, it's, it attracts the phenomenon, but it's very localized.

00:25:04.960 It's very localized.

00:25:05.560 It's very localized.

00:25:06.420 Yeah.

00:25:07.200 Um, yeah, I don't know.

00:25:08.440 I mean, wait, wait, wait, can you, uh, explain that, uh, the technique that they were using

00:25:12.220 because we've done some work on, uh, the spirit.

00:25:15.320 We did, we did a very, uh, intense deep dive on Andreeja Puharic and he shows up, um, he

00:25:22.560 shows up in Brazil and that's, he's, he's dealing with this guy, Dr. Arrigo, but he's

00:25:27.100 doing a lot of other things.

00:25:28.080 And he's also doing investigations into the spirit com, which we have read about and we've

00:25:32.940 learned that it, it caused some of the, the, the users of it to basically delve into unsolvable

00:25:38.700 schizophrenia and things like that.

00:25:41.360 It, it's so there it's, I mean, it, it seems like a technological Ouija board, but what,

00:25:45.420 what exactly were they doing?

00:25:47.580 Here's, uh, in the spirit com that you talk about, I think, uh, uh, uh, channel Dr.

00:25:53.520 Meeks and I'm trying to remember some of the spirit comedy eighties, which is a, another

00:25:58.440 technology.

00:25:59.920 Uh, this is basically you take a ghost box and everybody, you know, probably listening

00:26:04.460 has seen a ghost show, you know, where they sit there with the, uh, the frequency hopping

00:26:07.800 radio and you hear blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, balloon, blah, blah, blah,

00:26:11.860 blah, blah, blah, blah, toenail, blah, you know, whatever.

00:26:15.020 And, uh, you know, that's always subject to, uh, you know, audio pareidolia, you know, people

00:26:19.340 hear what they want to hear, you know, uh, you know, humans can convince themselves, you

00:26:23.740 know, of anything.

00:26:25.080 Uh, rationalization is a very, very strong motivator.

00:26:27.840 But what this does, the SD's method is you take, uh, the spirit box, SB7 is what we use

00:26:34.100 and you put earbuds into the output, shooting muffs over that, and then you blindfold the

00:26:40.040 individual.

00:26:40.600 So they have no audio cue or visual cue.

00:26:43.840 A, if a question is being asked, and most certainly they have no idea of what is being

00:26:47.940 asked.

00:26:49.260 And their instruction.

00:26:50.700 Is that a form of, uh, disassociation that you're creating?

00:26:54.860 Um, yes, yes, yes.

00:26:56.220 If you go back to like Lily's, uh, studies with sensory deprivation, it's similar to that,

00:27:01.780 but not quite as severe.

00:27:02.980 And anybody that's ever done a, uh, you know, uh, Samadhi tank or a float tank, you know,

00:27:08.080 they kind of understand where I'm, and if you've never tried it, I highly recommend it,

00:27:11.300 but, uh, it's kind of like that, but not quite as, uh, not quite as extreme, but there is a

00:27:16.900 bit of dissociation from, you know, your external stimuli.

00:27:19.460 Uh, so what we do is, you know, we hook up a person and we have a person called the interrogator

00:27:25.900 and the receiver.

00:27:27.420 The interrogator is the person who's going to be asking the questions.

00:27:29.960 The receiver, obviously, is the person with the ear, uh, shooting muffs on and all of

00:27:33.940 that.

00:27:34.780 And the, uh, receiver is given very simple instructions.

00:27:38.260 If you hear an intelligible word as this device hops through these random frequencies,

00:27:44.080 you repeat it loud and proud.

00:27:46.060 If you hear rutabaga, however stupid that may sound, you just say rutabaga or, you know,

00:27:53.120 truck or whatever.

00:27:55.360 And in, uh, several instances, uh, and this is where it gets a little odd is we have obtained

00:28:05.820 what appears to be, you know, and I'm, I'm, I'm not absolute.

00:28:09.760 I can't say for certain, but it appears that we have developed two-way communication and

00:28:14.900 you saw that in the documentary.

00:28:16.640 And what's very interesting is, uh, when we started trying to nail down with the NHL,

00:28:23.840 the non-human intelligence, the phenomenology of the experiences we were having in the meadow,

00:28:29.640 you know, I start mentioning, uh, plasmas.

00:28:32.120 I start mentioning, uh, you know, radiation.

00:28:34.900 I start mentioning, you know, real nuts and bolts thing.

00:28:37.240 It gets very irritated, very agitated.

00:28:39.780 Like it doesn't want to talk about that.

00:28:42.500 And I found that very telling, you know, so what I liken it to is imagine a sidewalk in

00:28:49.040 front of your house that's being poured and you have workmen out there troweling down the

00:28:53.640 sidewalk and a little kid comes up and he's the little kid in the neighborhood that's just

00:28:58.120 jabbers all the time and just is a pest, you know, as a pain in the butt. 1.00

00:29:02.080 And he comes up to these workmen and he's standing there with his hands in his pocket

00:29:05.280 and he starts just peppering these poor guys with questions and comments.

00:29:09.440 Like what you doing?

00:29:10.460 How long is that going to take?

00:29:11.860 You know, where are you from?

00:29:12.800 Is that your truck?

00:29:13.540 You know, just jabbering.

00:29:15.280 So the workmen have three, uh, three options.

00:29:17.620 Number one, they can just ignore the kid.

00:29:19.700 Just ignore them.

00:29:20.800 Go on with whatever they're doing.

00:29:22.280 The kid might not even understand what they're doing.

00:29:24.900 Number two is they might scare the kid off.

00:29:27.320 Hey, get out of here. 1.00

00:29:28.140 We'll whop you with this shovel. 1.00

00:29:29.300 Number three is they may take pity and engage with the kid on a limited basis.

00:29:35.240 The non-human intelligence or the workmen going about whatever project they're doing. 0.58

00:29:39.640 We might not even be able to comprehend their project.

00:29:42.460 And we're the little kid.

00:29:44.580 So I think we asked, started becoming a nuisance, especially when we started getting into the

00:29:50.200 technicalities of maybe what's going on.

00:29:52.180 And it wanted to shoo us off.

00:29:56.000 And that's my interpretation of what happened.

00:29:59.280 I'm not saying that's, you know, the truth, but that's the way I interpret it.

00:30:03.520 This sort of thing is, is pretty common whenever we have a jump in, in technology, right?

00:30:08.260 So when we would have first developed, you know, the telephone, you would have picked

00:30:14.220 up strange anomalous interactions from disembodied spirits or non-human intended or entities.

00:30:21.180 And the same thing happens with the television, you know, until they recently, we were talking

00:30:25.700 about the, the Dysonian glass that they were allegedly using in Vietnam.

00:30:32.340 And it was for night vision purposes, but they were seeing horrifying visages in the jungle

00:30:37.780 at night.

00:30:38.420 My wife stumbled upon a TikTok yesterday.

00:30:41.220 We're talking on the porch and it is somebody describing this new contact lens.

00:30:46.880 And I think there was an infrared capability associated with that contact lens, but already

00:30:51.700 because it's a new technology, there's horrifying stories about seeing, you know, non-human

00:30:56.540 entities through these things.

00:30:57.560 So it's, it seems like we constantly can use technology to peel that veil back.

00:31:03.160 And then in its infancy, it has to be reeled back and, and readjusted because people are

00:31:08.760 having, you know, horrifying experiences with things that are, are told conventionally don't

00:31:14.600 exist.

00:31:16.140 Do you think that these are happening?

00:31:18.700 You seem like somebody who is very, I mean, you're going to one location or another.

00:31:22.520 Do you think that these things are happening more frequently?

00:31:25.920 And when I mean these things, I mean like the frequency of the discovery of areas of thin

00:31:32.000 veiled or, or, or, you know, interaction one way or another with these entities.

00:31:36.820 Is this happening more frequently or is it a, you know, at, in a static state?

00:31:41.840 I think it's happening more frequently.

00:31:43.840 And I think frequently, and I think that may be artificial.

00:31:46.820 Uh, and it goes back to, uh, like neuro linguistics is, you know.

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00:32:19.860 Back in the seventies, you know, I'm 60 years old.

00:32:22.360 So, you know, I remember back in the sixties and the seventies when the, the mantra preached

00:32:26.620 by science, this doesn't exist.

00:32:28.160 This doesn't exist.

00:32:28.920 That's a pseudoscience.

00:32:29.960 This doesn't exist.

00:32:30.760 And then a few brave souls started going out there and say, yeah, maybe so, but we're

00:32:36.040 going to look into it anyway.

00:32:37.420 And he started having stuff like, uh, the, uh, SORAD experiments at Duke university that

00:32:42.220 actually was an academic, uh, look into the paranormal.

00:32:46.300 And people started saying, well, you know, maybe there is something to this.

00:32:49.540 And now we're kind of going through a, uh, a watershed moment with maybe UAP.

00:32:54.200 And I'm not going to say disclosure cause that's such a loaded word these days, but acceptance,

00:32:58.060 you know, the scientific establishment is finally a saying, well, you know, maybe we

00:33:03.560 can't ignore this anymore, but more importantly, they're saying, Hey, we've kind of been looking

00:33:07.760 at this for quite a while.

00:33:10.000 And so now that we, we have reprogrammed our brains through neuro linguistics, that this

00:33:14.580 is acceptable.

00:33:15.780 Okay.

00:33:16.320 That this maybe is another part of our reality.

00:33:20.400 And I'm not talking about our three-dimensional Euclidean reality, but a universal reality.

00:33:25.080 Uh, I think people are more attuned to it.

00:33:29.900 I think they're more accepting of it.

00:33:31.780 And as they start to peel away their normalcy bias, they start noticing things around.

00:33:36.980 And one thing I tell people is, you know, take a map of your local area, wherever it is.

00:33:44.500 And you go to the national UFO reporting center or MUFON, and you look for UFO reports and put

00:33:50.120 them on your map, then go to like BFRO, Bigfoot reporting, uh, organization and put Bigfoot

00:33:55.880 works on your map and then go and start digging into your local folklore at your library and

00:34:01.500 start putting ghost stories and folklore.

00:34:03.280 And you're going to see these geo concentrations.

00:34:06.180 And one might be a few miles from your, one of your listeners right now.

00:34:10.160 And they just never put the pieces together.

00:34:13.720 And that's where things start rocking and popping.

00:34:17.240 When people start putting this stuff together and actually going out there with boots on the

00:34:21.260 ground and seeing what's happening.

00:34:23.800 Now, once again, that does come with a warning.

00:34:25.920 You really need to be, you know, squared away with your life before you go out and do this.

00:34:30.440 But I think these things are a whole lot, you know, more common.

00:34:33.560 I don't think you have to go to, you know, go see Ryan Burns at, you know, Space Wolf Ranch

00:34:39.380 or go, you know, visit Dwayne out at Blind Frog or, you know, come to the meadow.

00:34:44.260 I think these places are a lot more common.

00:34:47.740 There's, um, there's a lot more than I want to ask you, but we're at this 32 minute mark.

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00:35:00.960 and this episode will be out in its entirety.

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00:35:08.040 Um, you, you mentioned disclosure there and I'd be remiss if I didn't dive into that a

00:35:14.520 little bit.

00:35:14.900 It seems like we constantly get this, this, um, I've been calling it a pump fake where

00:35:19.160 the, the government or, or whatever, whoever's associated with, uh, UAP disclosure or anything

00:35:25.300 like that, they will have a buildup and it seems like we're going to get something.

00:35:30.260 And we do get like some congressional hearings.

00:35:32.120 I know we had the second ever congressional hearing on UAPs, uh, maybe about a year ago.

00:35:36.400 Um, and so we do get some movement and then they pull it back.

00:35:40.580 And I don't know if that is sort of a way to prime the public because if you do it all

00:35:45.200 at once, it could be very jarring.

00:35:46.960 Um, although it almost seems like the public doesn't even care at this point.

00:35:50.080 And so maybe they've done a great job of kind of nullifying that feeling in us of, uh, existential

00:35:54.620 dread when they introduce some, you know, thing that is said not to exist.

00:35:58.360 But we're at that point again, it seems like.

00:36:02.320 And what I mean by that is we have, um, uh, Tulsi Gabbard who is, you know, head of the,

00:36:07.580 the, the DOD, right.

00:36:09.460 Or something like that now.

00:36:10.500 She's, uh, she is, uh, DNI director of national intelligence.

00:36:15.040 There we go.

00:36:15.440 And so, uh, she's saying that she believes that there is something and she believes that

00:36:19.500 the government, uh, you know, has some information and then she's going to be working to, to get 0.67

00:36:23.980 that released to the general public.

00:36:25.220 And we've heard that sort of thing before.

00:36:27.200 Um, but now NASA is saying that there is, there's some sort of a celestial, you know,

00:36:33.620 object or not a celestial object, but an object in space, the size of Manhattan.

00:36:37.640 I think they said we were reading the article yesterday and it is geared to arrive here,

00:36:43.640 uh, in November sometime.

00:36:45.180 And, and they're even, they're even attributing things like hostility to it.

00:36:49.240 They're saying that this thing is hostile.

00:36:51.400 And I mean, we're reading this article just yesterday and going, where on earth do they

00:36:55.660 get off on saying that this thing is hostile of, of, of all the assumptions you can make

00:37:00.320 about it.

00:37:00.640 But what do you think about that?

00:37:03.120 Or you said that you, you, you think it's kind of artificial that these things are happening

00:37:07.200 more frequently.

00:37:08.160 And then we have this happening on the world stage.

00:37:10.380 Where do you put that?

00:37:11.460 Yeah, it's, uh, my, my personal opinion kind of based on, uh, you know, my experience,

00:37:16.580 you know, professionally and otherwise is I think probably 95% of, uh, what people see

00:37:23.560 are explainable, you know, UFO wise.

00:37:26.000 I think that either they're misidentifications or they're classified airframes.

00:37:31.060 And, you know, people say the government can't keep a secret.

00:37:33.860 No, that's, that's a lie.

00:37:35.140 The government can keep a secret.

00:37:36.520 Believe me, they can keep a secret, uh, very well.

00:37:42.600 And so that probably leads maybe three to 5% that are truly the anomalous.

00:37:49.380 And so, you know, what does that mean?

00:37:51.460 Uh, I, I think that a lot of them don't know.

00:37:55.520 And I think a lot of people are, uh, maybe afraid of their ignorance and do not know how

00:38:02.820 to, uh, to, uh, to put that out.

00:38:04.580 I do think a lot of the stuff that people see are classified airframes that are either

00:38:08.740 operational or in development.

00:38:11.280 And one thing that the, uh, security specialist and, uh, counterintelligence people will do

00:38:16.820 is they will misdirect attention away from whatever it is.

00:38:22.380 And I'll give you an example.

00:38:23.200 Let's say private Snuffy is on an army base and he's working on a Humvee and he looks under

00:38:29.160 and he sees these coils under the Humvee and probably Snuffy is pretty smart.

00:38:33.060 And he says coils.

00:38:34.520 Now I wonder if I ran a electronic field through that, if I could nullify gravity and this thing

00:38:39.640 could float and fly.

00:38:42.400 And so private Snuffy put the pieces together and says, the army has a flying Humvee.

00:38:49.400 So he starts talking to his buddies about that.

00:38:51.960 Hey, you know, the army has this flying Humvee.

00:38:54.620 And then somebody hears that and they report it to counterintelligence.

00:38:59.600 And counterintelligence comes in and I'm not saying I've ever been part of something

00:39:03.280 like this is they'll come in and they'll sit private Snuffy down and say, Hey, you know,

00:39:09.560 I think you're wrong.

00:39:11.800 What you really saw was an anti-mine technology that we have on the bottom of Humvees that

00:39:18.760 will nullify the electromagnetic field of landmines in these vehicles can drive through

00:39:23.840 minefields.

00:39:24.980 So what they'll do is they'll create a craft, a new narrative and put that narrative out

00:39:31.840 there and spin things off in the distance.

00:39:33.800 And that's where you get people like Richard Doty, you know, kind of alludes to, you know,

00:39:39.200 he did some of that stuff.

00:39:40.340 And, you know, I'll tell you that's, you know, in the interest of national security that

00:39:44.220 they do that.

00:39:45.040 And I understand why.

00:39:46.700 And it's a necessary misinformation.

00:39:50.740 You know, it has such a negative context, but it's, it's a way of protecting, uh, you know,

00:39:55.440 our secrets that give us the technological edge against our adversaries.

00:39:59.740 And so I think some of that has happened, you know, people have seen things and it's

00:40:03.480 like, Oh yeah, yeah.

00:40:04.200 That's a UFO when in fact, it might've been, what's the guy with the UFO in, uh, Los Alamos

00:40:10.460 lab.

00:40:10.840 I forget his name.

00:40:11.880 Lazar.

00:40:12.340 Yeah.

00:40:12.480 When he mentioned seeing, uh, it's like, I saw a small gray alien sitting in there.

00:40:17.480 I was like, I think like if I were, if I were one of these guys and I had you working

00:40:21.780 in a top secret facility and you're bringing your friends out to the desert, I would do

00:40:25.460 something like this as well.

00:40:26.720 And then spin, like there's some sort of spin going on and there's some factual truths in

00:40:32.340 there.

00:40:32.500 And there's some things that kind of go wild narratives that they want to see.

00:40:36.340 We know only you saw this thing because we planted it.

00:40:38.980 So if that narrative then gets out, well, then we know that you're untrustworthy as well.

00:40:43.100 You know, one of the things we were talking about recently, Trey, is this idea of like,

00:40:47.120 we attribute so much of this to the military industrial complex or, or, you know, these,

00:40:52.380 these, uh, blacklisted projects that, you know, finances are getting funneled into, and

00:40:57.840 we don't know where the money's going and it's, it's going here.

00:40:59.740 It's making, it's reverse engineering craft, yada, yada.

00:41:02.900 And, uh, and top brought up this great point, which is like, that's not really typically how

00:41:07.720 it works.

00:41:08.100 Right.

00:41:08.300 I mean, you have these, these, uh, private companies that are contracted and, and, you

00:41:14.960 know, that's kind of the way you find out who's the best, right?

00:41:18.340 It's like the free market of things.

00:41:19.820 Uh, and so, um, you know, we, we talk about how the, the Marvel movies do a really great

00:41:24.980 job of it.

00:41:25.460 They have Stark industries, right.

00:41:27.320 Which is like Iron Man's, uh, company.

00:41:30.040 And he's the guy who's making all of the, the, the, the cutting edge of, of military

00:41:34.500 technology and then the military buying it.

00:41:37.160 So, um, a lot of the times what we're seeing and we're attributing to, you know, Oh, look

00:41:41.320 what the government's got, or the military has.

00:41:42.800 It's like, that could be, uh, that could be a private company that, that actually has

00:41:47.800 that technology.

00:41:48.940 And I'll actually bring, bring that back home.

00:41:51.040 First of all, uh, be very wary of anybody that jumps out and says, Oh, I'm going to disclose

00:41:55.660 this information when you are read into a special access program, a SAP, be it a waived

00:42:00.280 SAP, a, uh, acknowledged SAP or an unacknowledged SAP, you sign a piece of paper called a DD form

00:42:08.260 2836.

00:42:10.180 And that is a non-disclosure indoctrination statement.

00:42:13.320 And it has very, very, very, very stiff penalties.

00:42:17.800 If you disclose this information and you have a representative of the government that will

00:42:23.280 give you this piece of paper and you will raise your right hand and you will do an attestation

00:42:29.060 and then you will sign.

00:42:32.040 So anybody that comes out and says, Oh, like Bob Lazar say, yeah, I'm going to just release

00:42:36.580 this information.

00:42:38.520 Look what happened to, uh, uh, Robert Hanson of the FBI who released, uh, information.

00:42:43.900 He's in, he died in prison.

00:42:45.580 You know, look at, uh, uh, the WikiLeaks guy.

00:42:48.760 My mind just went completely blank.

00:42:51.580 Snowden.

00:42:52.140 Yeah.

00:42:52.300 Look what happened to Snowden.

00:42:53.500 You know, when he released SCI, uh, special compartmented information, he's now in hiding.

00:42:58.140 Look at, uh, Julian Assange, you know, all of these people, you know, released information

00:43:04.680 that was classified and now they're hunted.

00:43:08.920 So we're actually dealing with something on like a minor political level with like Nick

00:43:13.500 Fuentes and, and J6 and it's kind of somebody, he was, he was warned, like, don't go there.

00:43:20.640 He went there, told people to go in and then, you know, his funds get frozen, but then they're

00:43:25.200 unfrozen.

00:43:25.800 And it's like, it's very suspicious.

00:43:26.900 I don't know.

00:43:27.320 But yeah, I, it's exactly what you're saying.

00:43:29.220 Bob Lazar gets to go on Joe Rogan's podcast.

00:43:31.520 Strange.

00:43:32.060 Yeah.

00:43:32.520 Yeah.

00:43:32.860 So going back to your original question about the defense industrial complex, uh, and I'll,

00:43:37.820 I'll give you an example.

00:43:38.860 Uh, one of the things that might've been confused for UAPs or UFOs back in the seventies was the

00:43:47.560 F-117 stealth fighter.

00:43:49.940 Uh, it was developed, I think Lockheed, Lockheed Martin or Boeing.

00:43:53.140 I can't remember which one developed it.

00:43:55.220 And they developed this, this airframe that had this weird faceted fuselage.

00:43:59.980 It was shaped like an arrowhead that flew out of the, uh, DOD's test facility out at Groom

00:44:06.220 Lake area 51.

00:44:07.800 Okay.

00:44:08.720 It came from a program called tacit blue.

00:44:11.700 Uh, you can go back and look at the declassified tacit blue photographs of us, their prototypes.

00:44:16.800 Uh, and so you, you move forward in this airframe was actually operational in the seventies.

00:44:23.200 It was part of an organization called the 44th, 50th, uh, I think air tactical squadron.

00:44:29.020 And they were flying operational, uh, missions with the F-117, you know, for years, like almost

00:44:36.940 a decade, but their cover was, they flew, I think, a six sky Raiders.

00:44:41.160 Uh, and they only flew the F-117s at night and the F-117 didn't really become, uh, talked

00:44:50.520 about until I think it was operation.

00:44:52.680 Uh, I think it was Panama just calls.

00:44:55.960 And then it became really publicly known during a desert storm in 1991.

00:44:59.800 But so you have to wonder how many operational air, airframes are flying operationally out

00:45:04.700 of Tampanoff, you know, and these other air force bases.

00:45:08.340 And that's a misidentification.

00:45:10.260 So that's how, you know, that, that stuff works.

00:45:13.020 Now we're going to bring it back to Skinwalker Ranch and high strangeness is the Sherman Ranch

00:45:17.820 was bought by Robert Bigelow.

00:45:20.160 Okay.

00:45:20.680 So Bigelow had this ranch and he always was interested in this stuff.

00:45:24.100 The defense intelligence agency was also interested in this stuff.

00:45:28.220 And, you know, the government's been interested in high strangeness for, for decades, decades

00:45:32.580 and decades.

00:45:33.820 Uh, so they, uh, created a contract through DOD specifically defense intelligence.

00:45:40.260 Agency, put it under the auspice of a special access program, read people in, set up a program

00:45:46.860 manager, then hired Bigelow Aerospace to set up something called NIDS, which is the National

00:45:51.580 Institute for Discovery Science.

00:45:54.080 NIDS went out there, did all this investigation with government funding, wrote a report, and

00:45:59.680 then gave it back to DIA.

00:46:00.980 That's when, why Bigelow, when he's, you know, being interviewed, people say, well, why

00:46:04.680 can't you disclose what you know?

00:46:06.120 Number one, it's still classified and it's not his information.

00:46:09.260 And, uh, you know, the big government paid for it, you know, this, their information.

00:46:13.580 So that's how that works is, you know, special access programs, especially in, uh, you have

00:46:18.300 three types of SAPs.

00:46:19.240 You have, uh, acquisition SAPs, which are development of material and equipment and stuff

00:46:23.600 like that.

00:46:24.020 You have intelligence SAPs, which are intelligence.

00:46:26.740 And then you have operational, which is like, you know, this, your dev group is going

00:46:30.700 out to get bin Laden. 0.54

00:46:32.100 You know, it's an operational SAP or, uh, a CAG combat application group is, you know, doing

00:46:36.820 a mission somewhere.

00:46:38.520 So, you know, that's how the acquisition works.

00:46:40.320 If anybody wants to kind of peel back the onion and see how all that operates, I suggest

00:46:44.100 they read a book called, uh, Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.

00:46:46.420 And it talks about how Harry Reid helped set up the special access program.

00:46:51.900 And, uh, it got rolling and Bigelow was brought into, uh, Bigelow Aerospace.

00:46:56.580 Bass was given the, uh, the contract and they did the research out at our Skinwalker Ranch.

00:47:01.160 Now a question for you, cause you're, yeah.

00:47:04.540 So Bigelow owns, oh, he owned, um, partially, I guess like Skinwalker Ranch, but it was like

00:47:10.220 this private, uh, private public merger kind of thing.

00:47:14.560 And then they sold it and now it's like a reality TV show.

00:47:18.060 And I'm left to say, what the hell?

00:47:21.340 Um, if this, this place is very special, it's a thinnie, like, like Stephen King would

00:47:25.800 call it.

00:47:26.160 It's a thin area in the veil.

00:47:27.640 Um, and I guess, what does that mean?

00:47:31.020 Did they find what they needed and then just said, oh, make a TV show out of it or something?

00:47:34.860 I can't imagine they would release it for public consumption in that way.

00:47:37.660 If it still had some real value.

00:47:40.520 No, I haven't sat down with Brandon Fugel and talked about the whole thing.

00:47:43.720 I did follow it, you know, just, uh, kind of academically is, uh, Bigelow, uh, you know,

00:47:49.780 had the contract.

00:47:50.820 I think they squeezed as much information as they could out of it.

00:47:53.920 Either they ran out of funding or they, they met the deliverables for their contract.

00:47:58.920 You know, I, I don't know what, what specifically happened.

00:48:02.280 And then, uh, Bigelow, I think started moving on to other things.

00:48:05.980 I think he's publicly said he's now doing a survival, a life after death stuff.

00:48:10.340 So he, uh, he sold it to a group and I'm trying to remember it was intent, antinidium,

00:48:16.120 something like that holdings.

00:48:18.080 And it was like a big secret.

00:48:19.360 You could actually go online and you could look at the tax records there and you went

00:48:22.440 to a County.

00:48:24.140 And it turns out that that was actually, uh, bought by Brandon Fugel.

00:48:28.160 That was his front company and he was behind that.

00:48:31.180 So, but, uh, Mr. Fugel has always had a, a very strong academic interest in all things,

00:48:36.440 you know, strange.

00:48:38.300 And, uh, you know, it's a natural fit for his, you know, curiosity.

00:48:41.480 And I think that, uh, it just happened, you know, I don't know what, how the sausage was

00:48:46.160 made, but the deal was made with a history channel to develop the TV show.

00:48:50.040 Now I have to, I have to wonder is you have two tiers of research.

00:48:54.120 You have what you see on TV, which is the sizzle, you know, that smells good.

00:48:59.400 And it makes your mouth water.

00:49:00.800 The steak is behind the curtain, the real research.

00:49:04.960 And so, you know, I've always been, you know, trying to reach out to those folks and

00:49:08.320 say, look, you know, let's share the, I'll give you a bite of my steak.

00:49:11.880 If you let me have a bite of yours, can we get a bite of your steak there?

00:49:15.980 Cause let's, let's move it back to the meadow.

00:49:18.180 Is that public land?

00:49:20.180 Is it privately owned?

00:49:21.260 It is public land.

00:49:23.620 And I will get, go ahead and give you the location.

00:49:27.380 Oh, all right.

00:49:28.780 That's interesting.

00:49:29.820 Where is it?

00:49:30.200 Can we guess first?

00:49:31.380 Yeah.

00:49:31.640 Yeah.

00:49:31.900 Go ahead.

00:49:32.420 Let's guess.

00:49:32.860 Uh, I can't guess.

00:49:34.680 I can't possibly guess the, the area looks like Georgia.

00:49:37.800 And I'm assuming I just have, is it along the 33rd parallel?

00:49:41.000 Oh, that's an interesting question.

00:49:42.280 Yeah.

00:49:42.380 The 33rd parallel.

00:49:43.800 I will tell you this.

00:49:44.880 It is South of the Mason Dixon line and East of Arizona.

00:49:48.520 Oh, okay.

00:49:49.360 All right.

00:49:49.500 So a little more West.

00:49:50.540 It's a big, it's a big area.

00:49:51.980 I know.

00:49:52.440 I'm just teasing you.

00:49:53.700 That's, you know, I, I, I, I don't give the location away and it's not because I'm trying

00:49:59.360 to be a butthole.

00:50:00.040 It's because if this area is ever disclosed or outed, my days of meaningful research are over.

00:50:07.160 Yeah.

00:50:07.640 I don't know if you see what TikTok happens to do, like to your favorite, uh, you know,

00:50:12.100 watering hole or whatever, you know, like people have this place in their town.

00:50:15.980 It ruins it.

00:50:17.160 Look at what it did to our favorite, uh, the Miami Nephilim.

00:50:19.720 That was like our favorite thing.

00:50:20.920 Oh, now it's like, oh, now it's just this watered down and disgusting thing.

00:50:24.420 Um, you know, speaking on the topic of, and this does apply to the meadow.

00:50:29.260 Um, you know, we had this situation, uh, Keisha in the chat brought it up about the New Jersey

00:50:35.140 drones, which, which was, you know, kind of gripping everybody in the, in the, I don't

00:50:39.580 know, truth or community for some time there.

00:50:42.080 And we were kicking around this idea of like, what if a private company did successfully achieve

00:50:48.200 some sort of technology, like, uh, how Bob Lazar alludes to this, uh, you know, extra

00:50:53.300 element in the periodic table that takes space time and bends it around it.

00:50:56.600 So it's not a propulsion system where fuel goes in and, and, uh, and, you know, exhaust

00:51:01.840 goes out the back and this thing goes forward, but instead it pulls space time around it.

00:51:06.140 What if some private company really perfected that figured it out and then put on a display

00:51:12.040 because the New Jersey drone situations have been more or less dismissed, right?

00:51:16.000 Donald Trump said he was going to look into it.

00:51:17.180 He came out.

00:51:17.620 He said nothing to see here, but if you go back to when the reports were happening, there

00:51:21.700 were government officials that were saying, I'm watching these things appear as

00:51:26.400 one thing.

00:51:27.040 And when you zoom in on them, they are a ball of plasma and, uh, they're, they're, they're

00:51:32.480 chasing, uh, Navy ships.

00:51:34.300 They're tailing them, right?

00:51:35.680 That doesn't seem like something that, uh, our own government, I mean, so it, it almost

00:51:40.200 felt like a display and I don't want to jump straight to entities because that's a strange

00:51:45.840 thing.

00:51:46.060 You then have to say, well, why are these, you know, non-human entities doing this? 0.71

00:51:49.460 This is a bizarre display of powers in New Jersey of all places.

00:51:52.860 And there was some fog of war stuff where they're looking for nuclear material that

00:51:56.940 was taken out of a, a dock in Newark from a shipping container.

00:52:00.920 So who knows if that even applies to this situation, but it kind of could, you know,

00:52:06.120 it looks to me like a, like a display of power.

00:52:08.040 If you were a company and you achieve that sort of level of what have you.

00:52:12.380 So my question as it applies to the New Jersey drones and the Meadow is, is there any part

00:52:17.420 of you that feels like what was seen on camera, especially in, in regards to this gigantic

00:52:23.900 cube, could it have been somebody testing out something, putting this thing out there

00:52:29.460 on public land and saying, let's see how people interact with it.

00:52:32.860 Let's see what their response is.

00:52:35.260 Well, yeah, let me go back to the New Jersey drone thing.

00:52:37.960 Uh, misidentification.

00:52:39.880 Okay.

00:52:41.000 Every, every single video I saw of the, the, the drones were terrestrial airframes, be

00:52:47.680 they drones or aircraft, you know, and you can go to flight radar 24 and there's a live

00:52:52.520 app on that.

00:52:53.180 You can click and you point it at whatever you're looking at in the sky and it'll tell

00:52:56.680 you the aircraft's identification number, you know, really handy.

00:53:01.160 So I think that was, uh, basically a little bit of group hysteria, uh, which is fine.

00:53:06.220 That happens.

00:53:06.760 I get it.

00:53:07.280 Uh, now going back to one thing, you know, I was trained as an analyst is two things you

00:53:12.840 always, what if, and why, you know, those are two questions you always ask when you encounter

00:53:18.900 something, what if, and why?

00:53:21.480 So we go back to, uh, you know, your, your question about, you know, was a company or somebody

00:53:26.360 testing something is why, why would they test something, spend the money, the efforts, the

00:53:34.380 logistics to test something in the middle of a room, extremely remote force, hoping that

00:53:41.320 some people stumble across it.

00:53:42.800 That doesn't seem like a very good use of resources to me because companies here in the

00:53:47.520 United States are beholden to the shareholder.

00:53:50.160 You know, they have to make a profit.

00:53:51.880 That's not a good profit making strategy is to ring a bell in the middle of the woods and

00:53:57.360 hope that somebody hears it.

00:53:58.400 It just doesn't make sense.

00:54:00.900 So, and that goes back to the, what if, so what if we did this, what are our odds of

00:54:05.420 success?

00:54:06.920 Pretty remote.

00:54:08.060 You know, if I was going to test something like that, I would go to an area that was

00:54:11.600 populated, i.e.

00:54:13.060 remote Yellowstone near one of the maybe more remote geysers where people are passing by

00:54:17.460 and I would test it out there.

00:54:19.320 But just some area that has no real points of interest, it's literally in the middle

00:54:24.100 of the forest.

00:54:25.420 So it just, you know, it just doesn't make sense.

00:54:29.460 Removing that as a possibility then.

00:54:31.500 No, I don't know if you, I don't know if I'm comfortable removing that because you've

00:54:35.480 got like a Lieutenant Fravor in the Navy airplanes and the tic-tac things that they're following.

00:54:41.800 I don't think that they, I think a lot of the times, maybe, maybe sometimes they do

00:54:45.900 just come upon these crafts, but I think a lot of the times the craft may be put there

00:54:50.540 to see how, how, how will it combat and react?

00:54:52.900 It could want to be seen, but, but I mean, you know, if, if that's not the case, if, if,

00:54:56.960 but that's certainly the middle of nowhere as well.

00:54:58.680 It's like, oh, certainly in the ocean somewhere and they'll see like, you know, a tic-tac craft.

00:55:03.360 They're like, what will they do?

00:55:04.540 I think Trey would, would agree.

00:55:05.900 It's not an impossibility, right?

00:55:07.280 But it's a, it's a very low likelihood that that would be the case.

00:55:10.620 So, yeah, I just don't think the return on investment would be there.

00:55:14.300 So, so if that's the case, then, then we're left maybe with, with more, uh, esoteric answers,

00:55:19.580 right?

00:55:19.840 I mean, a cube is a very esoteric symbol, um, something that shows up a lot, you know, when

00:55:26.640 it comes to the idea of like Saturn and the, and the worshiping of the black cube.

00:55:29.860 And, uh, uh, you know, also this, this, uh, this hypercube, the idea of a fourth dimensional

00:55:35.280 cube, uh, uh, the Tesseract, this, this sort of, um, this is deeply.

00:55:41.620 Ingrained in occult symbolism.

00:55:44.260 So it's not, it's a, it's a very, not a, not a very unique.

00:55:48.220 It's a very significant symbol to find.

00:55:50.580 What were you going to say?

00:55:50.900 Yeah.

00:55:51.100 Yeah.

00:55:51.300 Actually, I wrote a chapter in the second book on that is, you know, if we go all the

00:55:55.220 way back, you know, when the Ark of the Covenant was, uh, being moved by the, uh, Israelites, 0.93

00:55:59.800 they built a temporary tabernacle.

00:56:02.660 Now the tabernacle was square, was, it was a box to hold the Holy of Holies.

00:56:09.480 When the temple was built, the sanctum sanctorium behind the curtain was once again, a cube, a

00:56:17.880 box.

00:56:18.380 You go to Mecca, there's something there called the Kaaba, which is a huge black cube, which

00:56:24.880 predates, uh, you know, Christianity predates Islam and is basically a polytheistic, uh, temple

00:56:32.800 in the corner of the Kaaba.

00:56:34.720 Do you know what there is?

00:56:36.380 There's the remnants of a meteor or a stone from the sky.

00:56:41.560 And so then you come into the New Testament when John the Revelator was imprisoned and he

00:56:47.560 started writing about the coming, second coming of Christ, we encountered something called the

00:56:53.540 New Jerusalem descending from the sky, which is a cube, 1400 miles, uh, calculated the cubits

00:57:00.860 on each side, you move forward into the 20th century.

00:57:04.720 You have, uh, the Carl Higdon case in Wyoming, he encountered a translucent cube, which was

00:57:09.880 an aircraft.

00:57:11.160 You move forward into, uh, the 21st century.

00:57:14.320 There, uh, some of the Navy pilots talked about seeing a cube inside of a sphere.

00:57:19.640 And I just saw, uh, during, uh, an article on one of the incursions at one of the air force

00:57:25.360 bases that they are now releasing that not only did they see traditional drones, but they

00:57:29.580 saw a flying black cube.

00:57:31.560 Now, why is a cube so important?

00:57:33.820 Why did Carl Jung have the effigy of a cube put down at the lakeside at his, uh, retirement

00:57:41.460 home?

00:57:42.200 Because we look at cubes and it resonates with us.

00:57:45.880 When you turn that cube, um, along its axis here on, like on the Y axis, so it's kind of

00:57:51.720 a diamond shape and you spin it, it, it creates, uh, what resembles the star of David, like the

00:57:57.560 upward triangle, downward triangle, or the seal of Solomon, or however you'd like to call

00:58:01.740 that thing.

00:58:02.300 Yeah.

00:58:02.420 I believe from the top, if you put a, if you stood a cube on its corner and looked from

00:58:05.900 the top down, it would make a hexagram.

00:58:07.640 I believe is the, the, uh, it's an, it's an interesting shape.

00:58:11.420 There's a lot of power in the dynamic of that, uh, the structure of that shape.

00:58:15.020 So you singing is not really a surprise, right?

00:58:18.300 No.

00:58:18.540 And you go back to alchemy, you know, you, you talked about some of the esoteric sciences

00:58:22.280 is there was something that the alchemist had called the prima materia, which was the basic

00:58:27.680 building block of all matter in the way they represented that in their alchemy text was

00:58:33.360 an illustration of a black cube.

00:58:36.760 So, you know, it's a, it's interesting that that archetype, and you can go back into

00:58:40.540 Youngstian archetypes and go back into, you know, maybe genetic memory of certain things

00:58:46.640 that really resonate with us.

00:58:48.700 You know, a black cube in a place that's unfamiliar is really going to make the heck of an, heck

00:58:53.660 of an impression.

00:58:54.720 You know, maybe even more so than like a saucer shape.

00:58:57.200 It's just really going to resonate with people.

00:58:59.180 And that might be a third dimensional shadow of a multidimensional entity, machine, or essence,

00:59:07.740 or it might be something that's all of the above and none of the above.

00:59:10.420 It might be some other, some other type of existence that we don't even understand yet.

00:59:16.120 That's not machine, organic.

00:59:17.900 It could be something totally different.

00:59:19.500 And that's the way it represents itself when it's reduced down into our dimension as a cube.

00:59:24.240 And that's a, that's a theory, but it seems to be the cube.

00:59:26.960 You're right.

00:59:27.300 The cube is very important.

00:59:28.840 It resonates with people.

00:59:30.860 It horrifies people and it makes people question reality.

00:59:34.760 So considering that you've written a chapter on this and, and this is something that, you

00:59:41.660 know, you've seen and then you've understood the symbolism surrounding it.

00:59:46.780 And it's one of those things where, you know, we, we do a conspiracy show.

00:59:51.240 So the cube comes up constantly and it is, it is sort of the gift that keeps on giving.

00:59:57.160 It's not, you can't, it's, it's very difficult to boil it down into a quick conversation.

01:00:01.300 Like what does the cube represent?

01:00:02.440 It's like, kind of like a lot of stuff, man.

01:00:04.540 And so, uh, in that way, uh, how do you, I mean, where, where are you, uh, in your, in

01:00:11.420 your, in your theorizing?

01:00:12.840 I mean, I know you don't have much to grab onto.

01:00:14.600 It turns out that the cube disappeared on you, uh, in the middle of the field there.

01:00:18.220 Uh, but you know, you, you strike me as a man who's not just going to let that go to

01:00:22.240 bed.

01:00:22.460 You're going to, you're going to try to.

01:00:24.300 Yeah.

01:00:24.440 How many, uh, how many times have you, have you guys seen this?

01:00:28.000 Is it?

01:00:28.200 Yeah.

01:00:28.980 And we saw the cube, of course, in February of 2017.

01:00:32.000 And then I'm looking at my notes right here.

01:00:34.280 Do, do, do, do, uh, in April 8th, 2018, uh, our team was out there in the meadow and they

01:00:40.540 were following a set of tracks in the grass.

01:00:43.880 And it was like, imagine tire tracks.

01:00:46.260 Okay.

01:00:46.620 And just imagine, I'm not saying they were tire tracks, but imagine that where the grass

01:00:50.480 is pressed down, but it was like something was dropped into it, traveled a distance and

01:00:54.260 then was lifted out.

01:00:55.680 And then the grass was bent over.

01:00:57.920 It wasn't broken.

01:00:58.580 And there were anthills in the track lines that weren't compressed.

01:01:02.520 So it's like linear crop circles.

01:01:05.720 And so to say the, the crop circle, I, have you, have you read the book?

01:01:09.820 Uh, it can't be people by somebody named citizen.

01:01:13.320 There's a guy named citizen D and we had him on the show.

01:01:16.600 So he claims to be one of the people that were doing crop circles in the UK.

01:01:21.920 He says 80% of the crop circles.

01:01:24.560 He knows who are man-made actually man-made.

01:01:27.700 Some are unexplained.

01:01:28.820 But the interesting part is that, uh, the location, the design, and even the when usually come

01:01:36.580 down to like these external downloads that he explained in a way.

01:01:41.500 But like, I thought, I think his, uh, grasp on esotericism was a little bit like, uh, yeah,

01:01:46.560 it was kind of like, he would just, um, he was inadvertently channel channeling, which who

01:01:51.120 knows what he did in his life or if something else was done in, in, in his, you know, uh, by

01:01:55.220 his parents or his grandparents, whatever gave access to that sort of a, an ability, he's

01:01:59.100 inadvertently channeling this information.

01:02:01.420 And then he is inspired to get up and mobilize and go and do this thing.

01:02:05.820 Oftentimes we'll, we'll arrive and other individuals will be there already working on the thing.

01:02:11.140 They also got the same channel.

01:02:12.760 Um, and even there's instances where after he was done with the design, uh, he found, he bumped

01:02:18.620 into a local witch coven who, who, who was thanked him for doing the design.

01:02:23.640 Yeah.

01:02:23.960 And said that they had actually been praying for this, you know, this sort of a, a, a symbol

01:02:28.500 to appear or a message.

01:02:30.120 But I guess the, the point is that it's just very odd that something like that.

01:02:35.440 So you're, are you saying that the cube, because it was floating above it, it just bent

01:02:38.820 the grass, but it didn't touch the, well, no, now let me finish.

01:02:42.640 I just said they found these track lines and what was interesting about it is if they

01:02:47.480 stood inside of the track lines and they looked West using their full spectrum camera, which

01:02:52.860 also, uh, it basically translates infrared and ultraviolet into a visible spectrum that

01:02:58.340 you can see on your camera, they could see another cube.

01:03:01.420 And this was in 2018, they would step out of the track line, look through their full spectrum,

01:03:05.980 no cube step in the track line.

01:03:08.160 They could see the cube.

01:03:10.240 And this was like a smaller one.

01:03:11.840 This was, uh, I'm looking at my, uh, it was like nine feet by nine feet by nine feet, much

01:03:16.520 smaller.

01:03:17.400 So they got real excited.

01:03:18.700 So they went to hit record on their full spectrum camera and they left the, uh, SD card

01:03:23.620 back at the camp.

01:03:25.220 They, so they didn't, but I've got their affidavits.

01:03:28.060 So that was the second, uh, you know, second, uh, viewing of the cube.

01:03:31.820 But you mentioned something interesting or downloads, which is as this phenomena is evolving, uh, that's

01:03:39.020 something that we're encountering more of.

01:03:40.580 And I think, I don't know if you remember in the, uh, the documentary, the download of

01:03:44.960 Knox Magby, the, uh, the term.

01:03:48.200 No, I don't remember that one.

01:03:49.400 Yeah.

01:03:49.640 That was in June of 2020.

01:03:51.220 We had gone out and this is how the, the meadow evolves.

01:03:55.100 You know, what we experienced before is not what we're experiencing now.

01:03:59.460 It's constantly evolving and it throws you these weird curve balls that come out of nowhere.

01:04:07.160 And, uh, we had gone to the meadow in June of 2020 and, uh, that was right in the middle

01:04:12.860 of COVID.

01:04:13.460 So the campsite that we usually use was shut down by whatever entity controls this swath

01:04:19.360 of public land.

01:04:20.040 I'm not going to say which entity, but they had closed down the popular campsites.

01:04:23.580 So we found a dispersed campsite, which was about three miles away from the meadow and

01:04:30.020 our usual campsite.

01:04:30.980 So we were staying there.

01:04:32.660 So we decided we were going to go to the meadow and we were going to do a CE5 session, which

01:04:37.240 is, you know, I'm not going to get into the.

01:04:41.060 Trey, do you, do you ever worry about this kind of stuff?

01:04:44.500 Like doing this?

01:04:45.560 I would be freaked out, man.

01:04:48.660 I am protected by the blood of my savior.

01:04:50.740 I'm not worried about it.

01:04:51.640 Man, I think my faith is just not sure because we've been, we've been confronted with like,

01:04:56.820 should we talk to this person who's probably practicing witchcraft? 0.84

01:05:00.240 Should we do X, Y, Z thing?

01:05:01.560 And I'm like, you know what, man, I've, my house has been touched by a witchcraft in some

01:05:05.480 form or fashion.

01:05:05.940 I'm like, I'm kind of good, but.

01:05:08.300 I have, I have that, that, that, uh, that hair in me where I keep wanting to go to these

01:05:12.640 places.

01:05:12.960 I keep wanting to, and I'm not so really worried about, um, hitchhikers or anything like that 0.68

01:05:16.840 because, uh, I don't, I don't think I should be either, but I am, which, which should make

01:05:22.280 me worried.

01:05:23.060 Maybe, maybe that's it.

01:05:24.140 Maybe that's the reason.

01:05:24.740 Well, okay.

01:05:25.200 All right.

01:05:25.480 So, uh.

01:05:26.000 He goes, Trey's like, yeah, stay out of it.

01:05:27.340 So you're doing.

01:05:27.900 Yeah.

01:05:28.260 I mean, whatever makes you comfortable, but CE5.

01:05:30.820 So we, you know, I can get into the controversy on Steven Greer and, you know, I'm not going

01:05:34.720 there, but the protocol does work.

01:05:36.840 Okay.

01:05:37.200 I mean, you know, it, it does seem to be successful.

01:05:39.580 So we went to the, uh, went to the meadow.

01:05:41.900 We set up a CE5 protocol.

01:05:43.640 We, uh, actually broadcasted some, uh, some tones, uh, recorded in the middle of crop circles.

01:05:49.920 We, uh, a lot of the people there with the CE5 session were a remote viewer.

01:05:53.820 So we, we tried to get down into theta and project our intention.

01:05:57.160 You know what the, the CE, the basis of the CE5 is, is, is, is hemi-sync.

01:06:01.020 It's, it's binaural beats, uh, it's the hemispheres of the brain.

01:06:05.200 Yeah.

01:06:05.620 And well, that's, that's Robert Monroe stuff right there from the Monroe Institute.

01:06:09.360 Uh, and, uh, and if we have time later, I can talk to you about our, our experiments

01:06:13.220 in the field with the God helmet.

01:06:14.740 Dude, Trey, you are a wealth of information, man.

01:06:17.100 This is a, I'm, I'm like stunned.

01:06:19.440 I hope we don't put you off.

01:06:21.220 I hope you come back one day.

01:06:22.200 Yeah.

01:06:22.900 Dude.

01:06:23.460 That's amazing.

01:06:24.380 But, uh, so anyway, we were doing the CE5 protocol and once again, nothing happened.

01:06:30.240 And it's like, well, crap, nothing happened.

01:06:32.100 You know, we were just sitting out here in the woods now.

01:06:33.700 We, we enjoy each other's company.

01:06:35.020 So it was, it was a good time.

01:06:36.320 I mean, we enjoyed the experience, but it wasn't what we had hoped for.

01:06:40.820 So we came back to camp and, uh, while we were out at, uh, out, out of the meadow is the

01:06:47.840 team member that was minding camp.

01:06:49.360 That was our base camp operator and radio, uh, net control guy.

01:06:54.060 He had something drive by camp, a vessel, a craft, if you will.

01:07:01.240 It was completely blacked out.

01:07:03.120 He turned off all the lights in camp because it was kind of strange, but he heard that the

01:07:06.480 distinct sound of crunching gravel as something traveled down the road adjacent to the campsite,

01:07:11.980 but it gave off no light at the exact same time as this craft passed by base camp,

01:07:19.120 admitting no light, his Geiger counter spiked up to 0.66 microsieverts per hour.

01:07:25.900 Now that's not a dangerous amount of radiation, but the baseline is about 0.02 microsieverts per hour.

01:07:31.920 So it's a significant empirical increase.

01:07:34.060 So, uh, we went back and did a, uh, hypnotic regression on that.

01:07:40.340 And what he remembered through hypnotic regression is he perceived a Jeep.

01:07:45.800 Now he says, normally he didn't see anything, but under regression, he remembers seeing a Jeep.

01:07:52.400 We think that was a screen memory.

01:07:54.580 He says the Jeep stopped in these two figures got out.

01:07:57.960 They were all black. 0.98

01:07:58.900 They had all black heads, all black bodies, no features, just black shadows. 1.00

01:08:03.720 That moved around, got back in the Jeep and departed.

01:08:08.100 So that happened at base camp.

01:08:10.620 So once again, maybe our CE5 protocol manifested itself in a way we weren't expecting.

01:08:17.700 The next morning, one of my team members comes up to me.

01:08:20.680 His name is, uh, Tony.

01:08:22.740 Tony is a, has an engineering degree from the U.S. Air Force Academy.

01:08:27.000 I worked in U.S. Air Force special operations for a while and is now a very respected member of his

01:08:32.400 highly technical career field.

01:08:34.480 Goes all over the world doing whatever it is he does. 1.00

01:08:37.400 And I'm, I'm not going to go into it cause I don't want to.

01:08:39.640 I disclose, you know, disclose his ID, but he comes up to me and he says, Trey, he goes,

01:08:43.940 while I was asleep, I had something really interesting.

01:08:47.620 He said about four 30 this morning, about Oh, four 30.

01:08:49.860 I woke up and I had this term in my mind and the term is Knox Magby, N-O-X-M-A-B-E, or M-A-G-B-E-E,

01:08:59.820 Magby.

01:09:00.740 That's the phonetic spelling of the term that he, you know, came up with.

01:09:05.340 And then he popped up at Oh, six 30.

01:09:08.280 And this term was still in his mind.

01:09:10.620 And he says, what does this mean?

01:09:12.240 Does it, does this have any significance you're aware of?

01:09:14.520 And I said, well, you know, Tony, I don't, but I will look into it.

01:09:17.360 So I go to look into it and it turns out that Knox, N-O-X, is the name of the Roman goddess

01:09:24.420 of the night.

01:09:27.700 And Magby was a little bit more difficult.

01:09:30.220 I found Magby as a derivative of the word Magba, which is in the old English poem Beowulf.

01:09:37.040 Magba means kindred or children. 0.92

01:09:39.720 Now, if you remember, old English was spoken right after the Romans left Britain.

01:09:43.940 So it's, it's contemporaneous that somebody who spoke old English would also, you know,

01:09:50.840 have at least a nodding knowledge of the Roman gods and goddesses.

01:09:54.380 So the two terms are contemporaneous.

01:09:57.080 So you put those together.

01:09:59.580 Children of the night goddess.

01:10:02.040 So what are small, like children, that have big heads and big eyes that sometimes come into

01:10:09.260 people's rooms at night, the grays. 0.68

01:10:13.860 So the meadow threw us a curve ball.

01:10:16.840 That's not how we were expecting our CE5 session to end, but it manifested in ways that we weren't

01:10:22.780 expecting.

01:10:24.000 That reminds me of, of Nathan Gillis's work where he refers to the entire thing as the phenomenon.

01:10:29.240 Nathaniel.

01:10:29.800 What did I say?

01:10:30.920 Nathan.

01:10:31.320 Nathan.

01:10:31.600 Yeah.

01:10:31.720 Nathaniel Gillis.

01:10:32.440 He refers to it as, on my mistake, as the phenomenon, because it seems to have an adaptation

01:10:38.140 element where it will manifest in different ways, shapes, or forms.

01:10:42.260 And there's kind of a categorized.

01:10:44.120 Gary Wayne's work, right?

01:10:45.220 It's just like a, like, I mean, we started the show talking about constant rebranding.

01:10:49.780 Yeah.

01:10:50.140 Oh yeah.

01:10:50.640 It's this, it's almost the same thing.

01:10:52.140 It seems like what you guys saw was a rebranding.

01:10:54.040 Like you're seeing shadow entities or shadow people.

01:10:57.260 Oh yeah.

01:10:57.640 Well, that is what we were also told, uh, was it Pastor Dave that said that, um, when

01:11:03.920 he was using the CE5 app, um, he found that the frequency that it was using, uh, for its

01:11:10.980 binaural beats portion was the same frequency he organically discovered on his own to be

01:11:17.140 able to astral project and things of that nature.

01:11:18.860 But he also found that what it would result in was a sleep paralysis, alien abduction phenomenon

01:11:24.000 and poltergeist activity around his house.

01:11:25.840 And with the sleep paralysis, you're likely to see these shadow men, uh, I don't know 1.00

01:11:30.120 So it's all, it's all interconnected, right?

01:11:32.620 That's why Nathaniel Gillis just blanketly calls it the phenomenon.

01:11:37.120 Um, apparently, did you know that David was giving himself sleep paralysis in the same

01:11:41.060 way he was using a very like, this is allegedly, but, but there's a potential, uh, that my fan,

01:11:47.520 the hum of my fan was acting as a sort of binaural beat and was locking me into sleep paralysis,

01:11:52.940 uh, which is, you know, who I was binaural beat downing myself.

01:11:55.900 But, um, Trey, here's a real, um, concern, especially given what happened to the two

01:12:03.340 gentlemen that passed into the area where the, the, the, the cube was, I believe.

01:12:09.720 Right.

01:12:10.000 But two of them since.

01:12:11.960 Yeah.

01:12:12.500 They passed away.

01:12:13.700 Yeah.

01:12:13.940 And, uh, you know, it's one thing to, to speculate as to what happened to them, but the fact of

01:12:19.560 the matter is whenever this phenomenon takes place, you talked about a Geiger counter.

01:12:23.140 There are commonly traces of, uh, radiation, which kind of wreaks havoc on the human body.

01:12:29.900 Is there no concern on your behalf or, or, or your constituents that, um, radiation could

01:12:35.460 be a real issue here?

01:12:37.240 I mean, you know, we, uh, we were actually gonna, we made like loose plans to go out to,

01:12:42.180 uh, Oh, we were going to go to moon Lake, which was supposed to be, I think it's today

01:12:47.000 actually.

01:12:47.620 Yeah.

01:12:47.840 They were doing like a podcaster thing or like supernatural podcast.

01:12:50.780 And we're like, Oh, let's go fly out there and do our show being in Utah.

01:12:53.700 Right.

01:12:54.080 Also having high strangeness.

01:12:55.300 Yeah.

01:12:55.620 And I heard that they canceled it because of, uh, high levels of radiation within the

01:12:59.860 area.

01:13:00.480 Unsafe levels of radiation.

01:13:01.960 They actually had to cancel the event.

01:13:03.700 Yeah.

01:13:03.860 Yeah.

01:13:04.040 What I'll say is our radiation, our Geiger counters show very low levels of radiation.

01:13:09.780 Um, and we, we do have a guy on our team that doesn't come out as much.

01:13:14.120 He's pretty busy, but he's a, uh, actually a nuclear engineer.

01:13:17.920 And, you know, we've determined that the levels that we're detecting is not dangerous with

01:13:22.780 intermittent exposure.

01:13:23.820 You know, you know, it would really, you'd really have to take a lot of it for it really

01:13:29.120 to be dangerous risk.

01:13:30.700 It's a calculated risk.

01:13:31.940 It's not, you know, a blind, you know, foray into danger.

01:13:37.100 It's, you know, it's a calculated risk and, you know, you really have to sit down and do

01:13:41.120 like a risk analysis, you know, before these things, because, you know, there is some risk

01:13:46.040 and there's some risk is esoteric is radiation and, you know, whatever, you know, interdimensional

01:13:52.160 risk and all that, but there's also a risk of falling down a hill, not hydrating, you

01:13:57.280 know, not having the proper equipment because most of our research takes place in the winter

01:14:00.440 time.

01:14:01.440 Uh, you know, not having rain gear.

01:14:02.960 So, you know, you, you have to really, you know, winter, any specific reason?

01:14:08.520 Yeah.

01:14:09.040 Uh, the reason we like it in the winter is there are less, less people running around

01:14:14.080 this area because it's cold.

01:14:16.120 People just don't like being out in the cold.

01:14:17.860 So they're not going to be out there camping.

01:14:19.200 You're not going to run into, you know, Joe and his five children camping.

01:14:22.840 Uh, leaves are off the trees.

01:14:26.680 So we have a much, much broader field of view because of the lack of vegetation.

01:14:31.300 And then number three is the ambient air temperature is so cold.

01:14:37.500 Hopefully if we see something on our thermals, there's enough of a discrepancy between the

01:14:41.620 temperature of the object that we're seeing in the ambient air temperature.

01:14:44.940 So it just makes it a little bit easier for us to research, makes our equipment seems to

01:14:48.640 work a little bit better.

01:14:49.360 There seems to be a correlation between these, uh, areas of high strangeness, um, and, and

01:14:55.760 two particular locations, one being, uh, military bases, this comes up a lot.

01:15:00.620 Um, and you can kind of understand why that might be the case, why there might be a military

01:15:04.140 establishment over a area with a, you know, a thin veil or something of that nature.

01:15:07.920 But the other correlation, um, is, is national parks.

01:15:11.800 Now you have the David Polite's missing 411 series.

01:15:15.280 Uh, and right now there's something really strange and anomalous happening, which there

01:15:20.620 are conventional explanations for.

01:15:22.300 There are, uh, you know, workers in the national parks holding the, or flying the flag upside

01:15:26.400 down as a symbol of distress.

01:15:28.320 And that's explained away as basically, um, unsafe working conditions and understaffed.

01:15:33.860 And so, um, and that's how it's been explained for the most part.

01:15:37.420 And then you have something strange going on at the same time in Canada, uh, in their forests,

01:15:42.040 where, because of the wildfires, which really have been a serious issue over these past

01:15:46.100 few years, they just find a gentleman, $28,000 for stepping right in the forest.

01:15:51.380 There's a no go, not just the gentleman, but a guy that has like a kind of storied career

01:15:55.880 within, uh, the military, all kinds of military aspects of the Canadian government.

01:16:00.020 So I'm just like, fascinating character.

01:16:01.780 I just said it, I see it and I go, okay, file that away, write that down.

01:16:06.580 Yeah, but I'm still, I'm watching you.

01:16:08.240 Um, so, but those of us within this community, I can't help, but speculate with absolutely

01:16:13.500 no evidence whatsoever that, uh, that maybe these things are connected in some way.

01:16:17.860 Uh, the missing 411, the, the not going in the forest, all the high strangers with the

01:16:22.720 national parks.

01:16:23.760 Um, do you think that there's any correlation, really meaningful correlation?

01:16:27.560 And I don't know if you've come across it in your research, uh, between these areas

01:16:32.240 of, of, of a thin veil and national parks and why that might be.

01:16:35.720 Um, yes.

01:16:36.880 And if I got a deal for you, June of 2020, okay.

01:16:43.440 We had decided to, uh, decided to go back out to, uh, yeah, hold on.

01:16:50.980 Let me look them up.

01:16:51.500 I'm sorry.

01:16:52.140 Yeah.

01:16:52.400 January of 2020, January of 2020.

01:16:55.220 Uh, we had decided to go back out and do an expedition.

01:16:58.520 Now this expedition, uh, we didn't have a whole lot of people, you know, it was a very,

01:17:04.040 we didn't have a lot of, you know, I'm retired, but a lot of the team members, you know, they

01:17:08.000 work.

01:17:08.980 So myself and one of my research partners, uh, Kristen Payton, uh, she and I decided we

01:17:14.040 were going to go up, go out during the day.

01:17:15.900 And do a survey for baselines.

01:17:19.960 And we were going to go to the different areas where we had had high strangeness, where we

01:17:24.240 had the original cube, then in the, the, uh, west end of the meadow, where we had the

01:17:28.440 cube that were, you know, down the two tracks, another place where we had some high strangeness.

01:17:33.860 And we're going to take baselines of, uh, electromagnetic, uh, field using a tri-field.

01:17:37.820 You're going to do, uh, had a Geiger counter, take, uh, radiation.

01:17:40.720 And just kind of check out the area, see if there's anything different, because it's always

01:17:46.280 important to have baselines because then you know what the, the, uh, you know, your

01:17:50.680 sigma is, what the strangeness is. 0.98

01:17:52.800 So we're going around and we're doing our baselines and, uh, you know, I have a pad and

01:17:57.780 I have my Geiger counter and my compass and all my stuff.

01:18:01.100 And we decided we were going to cross a, a creek.

01:18:04.220 It's actually a, a small river or a very large creek to go to the north side of the

01:18:09.860 meadow.

01:18:11.420 So we go over there, you know, we take our boots off, string them around our neck, roll

01:18:15.080 our pants up and we wait out there.

01:18:17.180 I wait out, uh, onto the shore and I step out and there's another big field.

01:18:24.440 And I'm like, wow, this is really cool.

01:18:26.560 There's like this big, huge open area over here.

01:18:29.520 I didn't think that this would even exist because of a ridge that was going to block it.

01:18:34.340 But we can do concurrent research on both sides of this small river, you know, and

01:18:39.000 see what happens.

01:18:40.480 So I was really excited about it, you know, and give you a little bit about my background.

01:18:44.500 Like I said, I was a former army Intel officer.

01:18:46.840 I've hunted big game in North America and Africa.

01:18:50.000 Uh, I am an Eagle scout.

01:18:51.800 I've earned the scouting's 50 mile a foot of float award three times.

01:18:55.940 I'm pretty comfortable in the outdoors.

01:18:58.000 You know, I'm, you know, I'm really comfortable in it.

01:19:00.280 I'm not tooting my own horn, but just, that gives you a little bit of my background.

01:19:04.600 So, you know, I'm really excited about it.

01:19:06.480 And I yelled at Kristen across the creek. 0.99

01:19:08.440 I said, Hey, you need to come over here.

01:19:09.880 This is like really, really cool.

01:19:11.300 It's like another big area.

01:19:13.820 And she goes, what are you talking about?

01:19:15.700 I said, no, this is cool.

01:19:18.200 We can like run concurrent, uh, you know, research studies, you know, both sides of the, uh, the

01:19:22.320 creek or the river.

01:19:23.520 She goes, don't move.

01:19:24.580 I'm coming over there to you.

01:19:26.680 So she comes over there to me and she says, Trey, what are you talking about?

01:19:31.540 I said, look at this.

01:19:34.980 Isn't this cool?

01:19:35.800 This is like a new research area.

01:19:37.320 And she goes, Trey, you're back in the meadow.

01:19:40.340 I'm like, no, no, I'm not.

01:19:42.620 She goes, yes, you are.

01:19:43.660 Look around.

01:19:44.140 And I said, no, this isn't the same place.

01:19:47.420 And this is where it gets a little weird.

01:19:50.200 Yeah.

01:19:50.600 That's, that's a loaded statement.

01:19:52.280 Uh, when she, when she, where it gets weird, when she starts explaining to me that it is

01:19:57.600 the original meadow, probably a place I've been to 50 times.

01:20:01.120 It's like the environment changed.

01:20:03.340 It's like it went back to what it was.

01:20:07.040 And then you can get into the, the, uh, dual realities existing in the same time in quantum

01:20:12.840 states on a macro scale.

01:20:14.260 You can get into that, which I think is probably what happened with the original cube.

01:20:19.020 Uh, and I was so disoriented that she wanted to call our QRF, get our chief medic. 0.94

01:20:26.440 Now she's a trauma nurse, but she wanted to get our chief medic to come out there and get 1.00

01:20:30.000 me.

01:20:30.820 And I said, okay, guys, I'm making a command decision as the head of ASOG.

01:20:36.680 Leave me the F alone for 10 minutes.

01:20:39.360 Just leave me alone.

01:20:40.480 Let me get my feet back on the ground and then we'll head back to base camp.

01:20:47.040 You know, I'm going to drink some water just, just cause I had to get my head straight.

01:20:52.780 At that same moment, we were logging the radiation readings with our Geiger counter.

01:20:57.600 Like I said, we were recording baselines at that moment when I was so disoriented, we

01:21:01.720 had a radiation spike of 0.33 micro sieverts per hour.

01:21:05.520 So I always wonder if I hadn't had our protocols in place, would your, A, you never go out alone.

01:21:13.040 B, you always have radio communications and C, you always have navigation gear that you

01:21:17.540 can get back, you know, compass, map, GPS.

01:21:20.880 You didn't have a compass.

01:21:22.040 I did.

01:21:24.340 I did have a compass.

01:21:25.260 I, no, I didn't even think that, no, I didn't because I was just, I was so discombobulated.

01:21:32.220 Yeah.

01:21:32.800 And, uh, so if I hadn't had those protocols in place, could I have ended up as one of the

01:21:38.560 chapters in David Pilates books?

01:21:40.440 You know, is that what is actually going on?

01:21:43.520 Well, there's, there's some really, uh, famous cases in, in David Pilates, uh, research that

01:21:49.420 stand out to me.

01:21:50.160 One of them in particular was a child, um, uh, untrackably appearing on the other side

01:21:55.720 of a mountain range that they would have never had the ability to traverse given the age of

01:21:59.660 the child.

01:22:00.080 And, you know, according to people that were local in the area, or there was a gentleman

01:22:03.740 that spent quite a, uh, you know, an amount of time in the woods said that adult men would

01:22:08.480 have trouble traversing this mountain range and getting to the other side of it.

01:22:12.120 Um, an impossible task for a child.

01:22:14.300 And yet, well, somehow this kid is found on the other side of the range.

01:22:17.860 Um, when you, Trey, when you walked into this thing, um, you said you walked into a Creek.

01:22:23.740 Yeah.

01:22:24.220 Like a cross, so across water running water.

01:22:27.520 Right.

01:22:28.300 And basically I crossed it and ended up right back where I started.

01:22:35.520 That's man.

01:22:36.180 I, I guarantee, I almost guarantee you, if you looked at the compass, it was probably just

01:22:39.440 spinning right where you were.

01:22:41.220 That's, that's an interesting concept, right?

01:22:43.180 Like you, you cross the running water, which is, uh, there's something about writing and

01:22:49.700 biblically something about running water, the, the power of, of whatever that is.

01:22:55.220 Well, it's a frequency, uh, thing.

01:22:57.100 I w I w I was looking it up and researching it at the, the reason why if frequency can travel

01:23:01.840 more easily in, in water.

01:23:04.200 I mean, obviously water.

01:23:04.940 Yes.

01:23:05.180 Now I'm traveling, that's huge.

01:23:07.100 Yeah.

01:23:07.320 When we would dive, we would bang on our tanks, you know, with our knives to get other divers

01:23:11.960 attention cause it travels, sound travels so far underwater.

01:23:15.980 I'd say very dense medium, but you know, as they say, and also the conducting aspect of

01:23:20.160 it, I think is, is huge.

01:23:21.380 But, you know, as they say in the commercials for, you know, uh, you know, mops and, you

01:23:27.240 know, all kinds of things, but wait, there's more.

01:23:29.220 Yeah.

01:23:29.980 There's more.

01:23:30.700 Where is the more question?

01:23:32.280 So, yeah.

01:23:33.080 Okay.

01:23:33.300 All right.

01:23:33.500 You cross, you cross this, uh, this stream and you are looking at what appears to be

01:23:39.600 another meadow.

01:23:41.240 Yeah.

01:23:41.600 Another field.

01:23:43.320 What, like, what would have happened?

01:23:44.900 Do you, do you think it either, do you think it turned, just turned you around?

01:23:48.340 Like when, when the, the lady came to approach you, was she coming from a spot that you came 0.54

01:23:52.100 from already?

01:23:53.360 Yeah.

01:23:53.840 She was coming from about the same spot.

01:23:55.960 Yeah.

01:23:56.360 I mean, in that, you know, that Occam's razor, that's what happened.

01:23:59.300 You know, I got turned around that somehow I walked straight.

01:24:01.980 And I walked right back out of the place.

01:24:06.120 I started, like somehow I turned myself 180 degrees and didn't realize it.

01:24:10.200 The question I have for you is do you, if you would have continued walking further, do

01:24:15.200 you think you would have went back to where you came from?

01:24:18.420 Or do you think you would have, like you said, traversed into nothing?

01:24:21.480 I don't know.

01:24:22.540 I really don't know.

01:24:23.480 I, I think that the disorientation probably would have been severe.

01:24:27.540 I might've wandered off and never been found.

01:24:29.460 You know, if I hadn't had somebody with me.

01:24:31.980 And maybe that's what happens to people, you know, when they go missing in these areas

01:24:35.340 is they, they, you know, it's like, uh, the case, the famous case of the guy that went

01:24:40.420 missing in Mesa Verde, you know, in Colorado is he went up a very popular, I've been to

01:24:45.520 Mesa Verde, you know, it's, the trails are really well marked and he never made it back.

01:24:50.740 They found his body years later.

01:24:52.080 Uh, in December of, uh, excuse me, July of 2020, uh, we had just had one of our team members

01:25:00.400 die.

01:25:00.780 One of the, the guys that went into the, uh, the queue.

01:25:05.780 And, uh, we had a outing planned and we decided to go on and do it anyway in memory of him because

01:25:13.040 we weren't going to be able to have a funeral or attend a funeral because of COVID.

01:25:17.520 So we, uh, we went there, you know, there was tear shed, toast made, good times and bad

01:25:25.620 times, you know, remembering Mr. Tim Gillardin.

01:25:27.760 Um, but we also decided we were going to try to get some research out of it.

01:25:31.880 So, uh, myself, uh, Bob Wilson and Kristen Payton decided we would go out to the meadow.

01:25:40.260 And, uh, you know, remember the disorientation happened in January, 2020.

01:25:44.920 This is, uh, in July, 2020.

01:25:46.680 So this is, you know, seven months later.

01:25:49.180 So we go back out to the meadow and of course it's overgrown now.

01:25:52.160 It's here.

01:25:52.440 It's more vegetation since it's July.

01:25:53.980 And we go to the place where I stepped out of the creek and you look across the creek

01:26:02.780 in the, in the middle of it, it's a small island.

01:26:05.820 And I'm talking, you know, maybe 20 inches wide, 24 inches wide, you're about maybe 12

01:26:11.860 feet.

01:26:12.180 It's, you know, just like a very small island in, in, in the creek or the small river in

01:26:17.220 the middle of that island, there's a sapling in the sapling is probably 12 feet high and

01:26:23.620 the top of that sapling has been formed into a perfect oval, like the top of an ankh, almost

01:26:33.000 fastened, you know, right in the place where I think I lost my bearings and orientation.

01:26:41.100 Now, why is that significant?

01:26:42.580 Number one is it's on a small little island in a creek.

01:26:46.360 You can't take a ladder out there.

01:26:47.760 There's really nowhere to put a ladder.

01:26:50.140 It's a one and a half inch sapling.

01:26:52.160 It wouldn't support a ladder.

01:26:53.740 You couldn't bend it down without breaking it.

01:26:56.900 So how did the top get formed into a perfect oval exactly like the top of an Egyptian ankh? 0.96

01:27:04.120 Now you go back and you look at that symbol, the symbolism of that.

01:27:08.240 A lot of people call that symbol, that oval symbol, keyway symbol, the galactic keyway.

01:27:13.100 And you see that a lot in places that are associated with portals, doorways, a mechanism to enter

01:27:24.040 into another reality.

01:27:25.200 That's 40 yards from where we saw the cube.

01:27:30.460 Yeah.

01:27:30.900 And that's where you turned around at the door, huh?

01:27:32.860 You kind of walked right up to it.

01:27:34.920 Yeah.

01:27:36.260 Let me ask you this, Trey.

01:27:37.500 You said before that, you know, it'll keep throwing you kind of curveballs.

01:27:44.420 Yeah.

01:27:44.640 The meadow throws you curveballs.

01:27:46.380 Is there any part of you?

01:27:47.680 There seems to be like a government misinformation, disinformation campaign.

01:27:53.280 No, not so much that it's like, you know, it's reasonable to, to assume, given the strangeness

01:27:58.880 of it, uh, that there is an intelligence going on here.

01:28:03.520 Um, is there any part of you that wonders, is it giving you little things that you can

01:28:11.460 handle along your journey?

01:28:13.780 Because it couldn't, you know, the way you described it before is, is like being a child

01:28:17.600 showing up to a construction site and pretty much agitating the construction workers.

01:28:20.860 Are you saying like, is it, uh, is it interested in teaching?

01:28:24.000 Is that what you're asking?

01:28:24.880 Kind of.

01:28:25.720 Yeah.

01:28:25.900 Yeah.

01:28:26.180 Where it's like, it'll give you a thing and it'll throw you a curveball and it's like,

01:28:30.300 chew on that for a while.

01:28:31.860 And then you've chewed on it and you've done the research, you come back, it throws you

01:28:35.180 something else.

01:28:35.960 Yeah.

01:28:36.360 The, the, the phenomena is now becoming more intimate, you know, like it, we've now got

01:28:41.980 people physically being touched.

01:28:43.560 You know, we've got, you know, we've got men, the woman pulled off the bed, right? 0.91

01:28:49.960 Yeah.

01:28:50.420 Well, that was more, that, that's more akin to like an abduction phenomenon.

01:28:53.320 That's a whole other, you know, I've got the whole transcript of that hypnotic aggression,

01:28:58.600 uh, in my second book.

01:29:00.400 But, uh, yeah, that's, that's more like, you know, alien abduction stuff.

01:29:04.820 So it's like, okay, now how does that tie into what we're doing?

01:29:08.040 You know, she's having this phenomenon now at home. 0.91

01:29:09.840 Uh, and it's, it's like, it's becoming more intimate.

01:29:14.920 It's, it's like it's developed a, this NHI has developed a rapport with us.

01:29:19.300 You know, now we're getting some people having like precognitive thoughts.

01:29:25.380 You know, we had a really weird case, uh, uh, uh, back in, uh, looking at my notes here.

01:29:36.400 Let's see.

01:29:37.000 This was actually in, was it October of 2022?

01:29:43.840 Yeah.

01:29:44.440 Sometime, but, uh, oh no, I'm sorry.

01:29:48.160 Uh, may, may of 2023, we had a new team member and she had been taken out, uh, to the top

01:29:55.400 of that ridge with one of my senior researchers.

01:29:57.860 And she kept feeling that she was being watched.

01:30:03.300 She said, I feel like something is creeping around watching us like Gollum.

01:30:08.980 And she said, I'm just not comfortable.

01:30:10.580 Now this was her first time out there.

01:30:12.080 Her, uh, we actually brought a, uh, a psychotherapist and hypnotic therapist, uh, hypnotherapist onto 0.80

01:30:17.960 our, our team, onto our staff.

01:30:19.420 And that was her husband.

01:30:20.400 And she said, Hey, can we go back with the other groups?

01:30:23.460 I'm just not comfortable.

01:30:24.460 And it's like, sure.

01:30:25.260 You know, we don't want anyone to be uncomfortable.

01:30:26.820 That's not what we do.

01:30:28.280 So as they were moving across the top of the ridge, those of us down below could see an

01:30:33.760 orb tracking them just out of their sight.

01:30:36.260 You know, and so she gets back and she explains, you know, that she saw this, uh, or felt like

01:30:42.680 something was low and slinking along the ground.

01:30:44.960 And, you know, it was real uncomfortable.

01:30:46.520 Turn the page.

01:30:47.460 The next night we go out and we have like 12 people surrounding the meadow with our, all

01:30:52.920 of our equipment.

01:30:54.240 And during the debrief back at base camp, one of my, uh, thermal operators said that he detected

01:31:01.080 a creature moving across the meadow and he jumped in his normalcy bias.

01:31:07.600 And he, he said, Oh, well, it must've been a bear or maybe a hog or something, because

01:31:12.500 we were talking about, you know, some of the feral creatures, you know, out here.

01:31:16.480 I said, so you, you captured it, right?

01:31:18.760 You've recorded.

01:31:19.440 He goes, no, I thought it was just like a bear or a feral hog.

01:31:23.620 And I said, Lee, what kind of animal is going to move through an open space surrounded by 12

01:31:28.540 people?

01:31:29.040 You know, somebody is going to be upwind of this thing.

01:31:33.600 And he stopped and he said, Oh, Oh.

01:31:38.440 And I said, do you remember what happened?

01:31:39.940 If you ever read the book, Hunt for the Skinwalker, they had a doorway or a portal and something

01:31:45.100 crawled out of it.

01:31:47.440 And I said, and do you remember what Christie said last night, the night before about something

01:31:53.600 slinking along the ground?

01:31:54.980 That was precognition.

01:31:56.360 You know, it's also strange.

01:31:59.800 Like that's, that's a strange occurrence, but like, uh, my aunt who saw a UFO in Brooklyn,

01:32:06.240 New York, she sees the thing and I want to have her on just to discuss it.

01:32:10.260 But the strangest part is after they see this, and it's a huge one, like a mothership shoots

01:32:14.980 off.

01:32:15.980 They go back and they watch Jeopardy.

01:32:18.320 Like, oh.

01:32:19.520 Yeah.

01:32:20.040 Yeah.

01:32:20.420 It's like a normalcy thing.

01:32:21.540 And it's almost implied on them or imparted on them.

01:32:24.540 Yeah.

01:32:24.860 That, that, yeah, that's fine.

01:32:26.960 And then they go on, they go to sleep.

01:32:28.360 And then the next day is also only the next day that they remember because now there's

01:32:31.840 articles about it and people are speaking.

01:32:33.700 So I was like, yeah, something's slinking along the ground.

01:32:35.720 The guy goes, whatever.

01:32:37.720 It's only ever in hindsight that people go back and they go like, that's not a rational

01:32:41.700 way to behave.

01:32:42.520 That's not, yeah.

01:32:43.080 What I just did there was not, I mean, that's not even what he's supposed to be doing.

01:32:46.340 You're there investigating.

01:32:47.180 So everything should be suspicious, but that's, that's crazy, huh?

01:32:51.300 But don't fear.

01:32:52.860 In November, when Tony and his team were out there, we caught it on video, the same thing

01:32:58.520 on thermal.

01:33:00.540 And it was a huge slinking creature right there where the box was.

01:33:05.380 The cube was back in 2017.

01:33:08.280 So I reached out to some people and like I said, MUFON has, is helping me with some stuff.

01:33:14.180 Also, Stephen Leah, who is the founder and president of Quantum World's, or yeah, Quantum

01:33:21.000 World's Quantum Analysis.

01:33:22.460 And you've probably seen him on Skinwalker Ranch and some of the other shows.

01:33:25.960 He takes the images and they start doing quantum analysis.

01:33:30.300 And the quantum analysis of that particular footage shows that there are faces surrounding

01:33:38.620 that and then the independent quantum analysis by MUFON shows, I'm sorry, no, Stephen, Stephen's

01:33:47.040 analysis, he sent an email to me and he says, hey, why would I see a linear structure to

01:33:54.720 the right of the slinking creature?

01:33:56.820 It's like, there's almost like a vertical line there, like a box.

01:33:59.720 And I said, that's because that's where the cube was in 2017.

01:34:05.380 And the quantum analysis shows that that cube was still there.

01:34:08.580 So I have to wonder, was the cube existing in November of 2024?

01:34:16.440 And did something come out of it?

01:34:17.980 And that was what, you know, Tony and I picked up on our thermals.

01:34:20.900 It's a, the crazy question is what you're asking is not did the cube exist, but when did

01:34:25.820 the cube exist?

01:34:26.660 Or is it, or is it still currently there?

01:34:29.360 But that's it.

01:34:30.320 You know, does it exist, you know, pretty much concurrently with our investigations, but

01:34:34.560 it's just out of our realm of, uh, you know, perception and what the quantum analysis does

01:34:39.300 is the theory is that, you know, when you take a photograph or a video that there, there

01:34:45.240 are quantum layers, you know, you can go back to the first neutrinos of the creation of

01:34:49.840 the universe that, you know, all data is exist.

01:34:53.980 If you go and look in the Bible, I am the alpha, I am the omega, which tends to make us believe

01:34:59.660 that all time exists now in another realm and another dimension.

01:35:04.080 So what happens is when you take a photograph, you have that quantum entanglement of all of

01:35:09.180 reality in that photograph.

01:35:12.180 And you can extrapolate that data and show you some things that were hidden to the naked

01:35:18.320 eye.

01:35:18.660 And one of the things that were, Hey, the numerous faces around, and then this box or cube.

01:35:25.040 So it shows that we are not alone.

01:35:27.700 There are always these entities around us.

01:35:30.420 Um, yeah, existing in another dimension, uh, they exist.

01:35:34.980 I'm sorry.

01:35:35.640 I got now, cause now the idea is on my brain here, but so obviously we're dealing with time

01:35:40.940 in a strange linear fashion here on earth where it's like start middle and they're not

01:35:45.660 this, uh, this dimension.

01:35:47.620 Yeah.

01:35:48.060 They're, they're dealing with it very much like straight on this way.

01:35:51.220 Um, have you had any remote viewers and I don't know, I know a little bit about remote

01:35:56.920 viewing and I know that they can kind of, they, they say that they can go and look at

01:36:01.080 different time periods if they have the coordinates.

01:36:02.940 And I don't know what this means, but have you had them look at the coordinates in the

01:36:07.160 past specific time periods where that spot is?

01:36:10.840 I have not.

01:36:11.800 I need to, I need to reach out and do that.

01:36:14.020 That's an interesting move.

01:36:14.940 Because I feel like you've, like you've located the where, but you haven't located the when.

01:36:20.220 Right.

01:36:20.620 And you guys are seeing it intermittently during, you know, in a span of over seven

01:36:24.920 years or 2017 to 2016, there's some, uh, sighting out of it, 2024.

01:36:29.700 So it appears and then it doesn't.

01:36:31.280 And who knows when it's visible, but something was there.

01:36:35.220 Yeah.

01:36:35.740 Will be that.

01:36:37.100 Wow.

01:36:37.280 What a crazy.

01:36:38.280 It also seems like you're dealing with, uh, things of, of, of varying nature.

01:36:43.060 So there's, there's this element that wants to be maybe discovered and it, and it gives

01:36:47.520 you certain things to interact with and certain things to chew on.

01:36:50.600 But then there's this other element, the, the pulling of the leg while you're sleeping,

01:36:54.780 the, the, the knocked, right?

01:36:57.560 This, this idea of like a, of a, of a, of a night goddess and these, these grays. 0.99

01:37:01.960 There's, there's definitely seems to be.

01:37:03.860 There's a third element.

01:37:04.820 What's the third element?

01:37:05.680 The third element is just the doorway.

01:37:07.460 The ankh of what this thing is.

01:37:09.700 It's, it is, uh, it's letting in things of varying nature.

01:37:12.980 Cause it's, it's, it's, it's a door.

01:37:14.740 My doorway doesn't give a damn who comes through it.

01:37:17.180 It's just facilitating the entry, you know?

01:37:19.900 Huh.

01:37:20.600 And I just realized, uh, I have a, actually, I think I have a photograph of the, uh, the

01:37:25.300 ankh thing, the sapling.

01:37:27.560 So you can keep on talking while I'm looking.

01:37:28.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:37:29.780 But, uh, um, what I mean by, by that is like, whatever you're, it's almost like you're, you're

01:37:35.660 in a little bit of a tug of war, right?

01:37:37.220 So you're going to this area, you're interacting, and there are things that probably don't have

01:37:41.900 your best interest, but then are, there are other things that seem to have a vested interest

01:37:45.220 in being discovered, right?

01:37:47.100 Like a slinking creature doesn't seek to be discovered.

01:37:50.980 Um, but then, you know, other things that are leaving little clues behind or, or, or, you

01:37:56.920 know, facilitating travel or, or whatever the case may be.

01:38:00.100 I don't know.

01:38:00.700 It feels like there's an element of, um, negativity, which seems obvious, but then there's an element

01:38:07.700 of things that want to teach.

01:38:09.680 It's an element of act.

01:38:10.520 This is just activity.

01:38:11.440 Like, uh, you've been in the middle East and, uh, I've read a bunch of Scott Horton's

01:38:15.840 books about, uh, what happened there.

01:38:17.820 Like, you know, what happened in Afghanistan and Iraq, and there's so many different factions

01:38:21.500 going out like from before the Iraq war, before, you know, Afghanistan and our influence

01:38:26.740 in there.

01:38:27.000 It's like, to understand what was happening, we can just point and say terrorists, or we

01:38:30.760 can point and say ghosts or aliens, but it's really, there's a lot going on, dude.

01:38:34.920 Yeah.

01:38:35.140 Yeah.

01:38:35.620 There's a, you know, my opinion is there's a whole other reality, you know, and if you,

01:38:39.900 are you familiar with the, uh, the thought experiment of, uh, Plato's cave, it was a thought

01:38:43.640 experiment done by the, it's, it's Plato's cave is, you know, we're the, we're the prisoners

01:38:48.340 tied up to the rock.

01:38:49.660 We can't even look down and see the, the true dimension of ourselves.

01:38:52.700 We think we're two dimensional beings like the shadows we see on the cave wall only when

01:38:57.860 we, you know, become aware, you know, we, we have a transpersonal experience that we look

01:39:04.080 and say, Whoa, we're three dimensional creatures.

01:39:07.000 It take that even further is that squishy thing inside of your skull that we call a brain 0.95

01:39:13.020 is actually a multidimensional organ.

01:39:15.180 It part of it exists in another dimension.

01:39:17.920 There's been some science that shows that there are actual quantum interactions inside

01:39:22.360 of your brain.

01:39:23.040 And that's how the brains work so fast.

01:39:25.520 You can retrieve information so quick.

01:39:27.880 It's actually communicating on a quantum scale that actual entanglement that defies time and

01:39:33.840 space.

01:39:34.660 So we are multidimensional beings.

01:39:36.720 We're just trapped in our limited understanding of our, uh, our true natures.

01:39:41.540 But before I forget it, I'm going to show you the picture of that, that sapling.

01:39:44.720 Let's see if I can get one second.

01:39:47.840 Let's can we make him full screen right there?

01:39:49.480 Oh yeah.

01:39:50.140 Look at that.

01:39:50.880 Huh?

01:39:51.240 That's a, that is very, things don't grow that way.

01:39:54.780 Yeah.

01:39:55.260 Don't grow that way.

01:39:57.260 That's fascinating.

01:39:59.160 So, and so, uh, yeah.

01:40:01.000 What do you, what do you say?

01:40:02.480 Yeah.

01:40:03.000 I mean, uh, there's nothing to say.

01:40:04.760 You just keep going back and you keep, it's what's interesting too, is you said that that

01:40:08.420 was evident when you came back when, uh, the foliage was, uh, like growing a little

01:40:13.580 bit more, right?

01:40:14.600 Yeah.

01:40:14.860 So it's like, this speaks to that idea of, well, maybe this is not accessible during

01:40:20.380 certain timeframes, or maybe it's only slightly accessible, right?

01:40:24.780 Or maybe it's a subtle clue.

01:40:26.460 Maybe it's a kind of like a subtle nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

01:40:29.400 Yeah.

01:40:29.920 Yeah.

01:40:30.180 We know what you're looking for.

01:40:31.920 Well, that's what I'm thinking.

01:40:32.860 Yeah.

01:40:33.240 That's why I feel like there's an, there's an aspect of something trying to teach you.

01:40:36.660 Do you think, do you think that we're supposed to, uh, do you think that God wants us to

01:40:41.960 look into these things?

01:40:44.140 That's a great question.

01:40:45.300 Fair, fair question.

01:40:46.360 Uh, okay.

01:40:48.400 During the, uh, first part of Genesis, you had the garden and we didn't have to think about

01:40:55.340 where our next meal was coming from.

01:40:56.800 And I'm not talking about us, you know, here, but mankind, Adam and Eve, they didn't have

01:41:01.300 to think about their next meal.

01:41:02.360 They didn't have to wonder, am I going to freeze tonight because the temperature is going

01:41:06.500 to drop?

01:41:07.460 You know, uh, am I going to be attacked by an animal?

01:41:10.060 They didn't have to worry about that stuff.

01:41:12.840 And then they ate fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, i.e. the tree of

01:41:20.500 knowledge.

01:41:21.240 Now they know these things.

01:41:23.220 Holy smokes.

01:41:23.800 There are things out there that will kill us.

01:41:26.160 It does get, it can't possibly get cold and us freeze to death.

01:41:29.440 Where's our next meal coming from?

01:41:32.720 I'm starting to worry about this.

01:41:34.660 And that drew, drove them away from total faith and obedience to God.

01:41:39.060 You know, that's of course in the book of Genesis.

01:41:41.460 So they're discarded from the garden.

01:41:43.820 The flaming swords are put up across the garden.

01:41:46.160 Man may never enter the garden again.

01:41:48.140 The onk.

01:41:48.680 They can't go back to the onk.

01:41:51.500 And so now man has to live by his wits.

01:41:55.460 I have to figure out how to build shelter.

01:41:57.440 I'm naked.

01:41:59.100 It's going to get cold.

01:42:00.860 If it's summer, okay, naked's fine.

01:42:02.980 But in the wintertime, it's going to be a bit of a problem.

01:42:05.320 Now I have to actually kill animals to wear their skins, almost becoming the animal,

01:42:14.280 draping myself in the skin of the animals, becoming animalistic.

01:42:18.400 Okay.

01:42:18.800 There's symbolism there.

01:42:19.840 So man has to live by his wits.

01:42:23.720 Man has to live by his intelligence.

01:42:26.400 Man has to squeeze data out of the environment in order to survive.

01:42:31.840 So the combat is God has given us this amazing mind that's perpetually inquisitive.

01:42:38.180 The tree of knowledge, the tree of inquisitiveness.

01:42:42.880 Now we have to wonder.

01:42:44.860 That's our nature.

01:42:46.100 That's not a bad thing.

01:42:47.320 That's a God given thing.

01:42:48.440 Now it was, it came about in a negative way, but that's who we are.

01:42:53.020 And just because something is different, unusual, or unheard of, doesn't mean it's evil.

01:43:03.540 Before the discovery of radio, naturally occurring radio waves from quasars, that doesn't mean they

01:43:11.260 didn't exist.

01:43:12.700 And when they were discovered, that doesn't mean they were evil.

01:43:15.780 They were just something different that we haven't discovered yet.

01:43:18.000 And it's kind of like if I was wandering around in the forest and I came across something

01:43:24.800 unusual, and that something unusual is a cabin out in the middle of nowhere.

01:43:28.460 And I'm like, oh, wow, there's a cabin out here.

01:43:30.640 And I go and I knock on the door and I say, hello, is anybody there in the cabin?

01:43:35.500 And I hear a voice from the other side of the door say, yes, I'm here.

01:43:40.060 Hey, you know, I'm out here by myself.

01:43:42.160 Would you like to talk?

01:43:43.540 And the voice inside of the cabin says, well, I'm not comfortable coming out, but we can talk

01:43:46.980 through the door.

01:43:48.000 I wouldn't hesitate for one second holding a conversation like that.

01:43:54.020 You know, for whatever reason, that person doesn't want to come out, but maybe, you know,

01:43:56.860 they just want to talk about stuff.

01:43:59.520 So why would this be any different?

01:44:02.880 Yeah, it's a, I mean, you know, I'm not, I'm not trying to be, uh, I'm not trying to,

01:44:08.640 um, like put down what you're doing because no, no, no, no, I didn't, I didn't get that

01:44:13.360 at all.

01:44:14.120 Okay.

01:44:14.560 Perfect.

01:44:14.820 Because what we do on this show is it's a consistent scraping at this information that's

01:44:19.360 presented and there's something more and we need to know.

01:44:22.440 But then I often think to myself, I was like, well, damn, how much do I really need to know?

01:44:26.580 Yeah.

01:44:26.720 Um, well, this is the, the analogy that I always go with is, or I don't know if it's

01:44:30.480 so much of an analogy, but it's like this realm is filled with unbelievable beauty and

01:44:36.460 mysteries and, and, uh, wonder.

01:44:38.400 Yeah.

01:44:38.960 And it's like, we're not meant to not observe that.

01:44:41.720 Yeah.

01:44:42.140 It's the problem is when you think that you can put your hands on the controls and bend

01:44:47.440 it to your advantage, which is like, you know, a story as old as time, right?

01:44:52.020 I mean, King Solomon using a demonic entities to build his temple is one that we often use 1.00

01:44:56.340 as an example.

01:44:56.900 It's like you, once you think that you can master a thing and bend it to your will, it

01:45:02.420 is powerful and it's absolute power corrupts.

01:45:04.720 Absolutely.

01:45:05.420 But, but I mean, we, we live in an amazing place and to, to admire that and to be fascinated

01:45:12.200 by it.

01:45:12.760 I don't think at all is, is, um, I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.

01:45:17.180 Um, Trey, you know, I want to respect your time.

01:45:20.600 We're coming up on the two hour mark, but I want to say, um, where are you right now in

01:45:25.840 the development of this?

01:45:26.880 Are you just, you know, you're, you're, you're taking in data, you're analyzing it.

01:45:31.300 You're, you're trying to put together the piece of this puzzle and you're continuing

01:45:34.000 to go back.

01:45:35.180 How long do you anticipate returning to this place?

01:45:37.560 How long is your team committed to, to doing things like this?

01:45:40.620 What's the contract?

01:45:41.920 You're not retired at all.

01:45:43.640 Yeah, no, I'm not retired.

01:45:45.200 Um, you know, I plan on going back as long as I can.

01:45:48.040 And, you know, my, you know, my goal is to continue to research this amazing place.

01:45:53.820 Okay.

01:45:55.100 And, and in, in researching it, my, my basic desire has always been to share the information.

01:46:04.480 I, the only thing that I keep close to my vest is the location.

01:46:08.460 I invite guest researchers.

01:46:10.440 I can give you some names of people that you would recognize that have come out as guest

01:46:14.640 researchers.

01:46:16.080 That's why I was very open with Tony and his team.

01:46:18.880 I said, guys, this is your project.

01:46:22.060 We will facilitate your visit out here this week.

01:46:24.800 So tell me what you want to do, because this is your experience, not mine and share that 0.98

01:46:30.700 experience.

01:46:31.360 You good or bad, share it.

01:46:33.600 So, you know, that's kind of my goal is to continue to put this information out there,

01:46:37.440 you know, by whatever means possible.

01:46:38.940 Uh, you know, I, I write books, uh, you know, we've got a documentary out, you know, if something

01:46:43.980 else comes along the line, that was one of the things when I made the contract with,

01:46:47.880 uh, Ward and Dark Holler, I said, you do not have exclusivity to this.

01:46:53.000 Is if somebody comes along and wants to make a TV episode, show episode out of this, I

01:46:59.340 want the ability to do that because I want to share this with the world as broad as possible.

01:47:04.380 So that's kind of my goal.

01:47:06.000 Uh, and it keeps me off the streets, you know, keeps me out of the juke joints and, and all

01:47:10.720 of that.

01:47:11.100 So, uh, yeah, you know, I'm just going to continue as long as I, you know, God, you know, gives

01:47:14.780 me the, uh, the health and the, uh, the wisdom, you know, and the desire to go out there

01:47:18.700 and explore these mysteries.

01:47:20.640 I'm that guy.

01:47:21.480 Um, is, is there any, a subterranean access?

01:47:24.340 Oh, that's it.

01:47:24.940 I got, I got two more questions for you, but yeah, subterranean access is a big one.

01:47:29.140 Yeah.

01:47:29.300 No, no.

01:47:30.220 Uh, not that I know.

01:47:31.680 We haven't found anything now.

01:47:32.800 This, this, this area, you know, does have caves.

01:47:35.740 It's, it's, you know, it's part of that whole cave system in the Southern United States,

01:47:41.900 but not directly, not that I've found.

01:47:43.900 That doesn't mean it's not out there and I haven't stumbled across it yet, but no, not

01:47:46.920 that I know of.

01:47:47.380 And all right.

01:47:48.440 Okay.

01:47:48.660 Yeah.

01:47:48.820 We've been big fans of, uh, cave activity and especially specifically in Indiana.

01:47:53.960 Um, uh, one question, just speculation.

01:47:56.900 What if, uh, if, if this gets presented to the world, it goes viral and people start seeing

01:48:02.000 this.

01:48:02.180 What do you expect to see, um, with this area?

01:48:05.560 Not, not as far as like people going to it, but like activity on it, do you expect to see

01:48:10.140 an uptick or do you think that things will like die down or remain the same?

01:48:14.400 That's a good question.

01:48:15.460 A couple of ways to look at that.

01:48:16.660 You know, I always really limit access to the area.

01:48:20.380 I don't want to wear it out.

01:48:22.960 I mean, that's kind of a weird concept, but you know, something I've found is if you keep

01:48:27.160 going to an area like, you know, all the time, you can really diminish the results.

01:48:34.120 So, you know, we might go six months, you know, before we go back out there and let it

01:48:38.100 rest, you know, let it return.

01:48:39.560 I don't mean physically, Trey.

01:48:40.720 Yeah.

01:48:40.960 Yeah.

01:48:41.600 With the documentary.

01:48:43.220 Well, and if that thing goes viral, I always wonder if more people talking about it and

01:48:47.620 thinking about it are going to create a psychic gestalt that will energize, you know, the

01:48:52.860 activity.

01:48:53.440 Now that I don't know.

01:48:54.840 That's, that's an interesting thought experiment, you know, whether it wouldn't, but you know,

01:48:58.700 more people talking about it, more people thinking about it, more people wondering about

01:49:04.220 it.

01:49:04.780 Is that, is that going to create its own, you know, manifestation?

01:49:08.220 You know, is that going to change the quantum nature of the place?

01:49:11.560 And we're going to start having all kinds of phenomena.

01:49:14.460 I don't know.

01:49:15.300 It's going to be kind of fun to find out.

01:49:16.560 So have, have you found at all that the phenomenon responds more to other individuals than, than,

01:49:23.240 than not?

01:49:23.760 And if so, have you found a common thread between those individuals?

01:49:27.160 Like RH bloodlines. 0.92

01:49:28.440 Right.

01:49:28.660 Yeah, no, we, we haven't gone to RH bloodlines.

01:49:31.000 I mean, I'm a positive, so I'm, you know, I'm pretty boring, but you know, it's what we

01:49:37.720 found is some people, you know, seem to, you know, make stuff, you know, more active, but

01:49:44.780 something we've tried to do and, uh, is we've actually started using a God helmet, you know,

01:49:50.320 out there where we use electromagnetic stimulation in the 40 Hertz range to the, uh, bi-hemispherical

01:49:56.200 stim, electromagnetic stimulation to create bi-hemispherical cooperation, much like, uh,

01:50:01.660 you know, rock, the Monroe Institute.

01:50:02.940 And then we focus over on the left amygdala, which is the part of the brain that is responsible

01:50:08.840 for religious experiences, you know, uh, transformative experiences, things like that.

01:50:13.800 And we start pumping that with a 40 Hertz of electromagnetic fields.

01:50:16.740 And what we have found is that may prime the pump that take one or two people, have them

01:50:25.440 go through this, uh, this God helmet, uh, uh, session primes the pump and makes the whole

01:50:33.940 experience, the holistic thing, more receptive to phenomena.

01:50:37.920 So we've been experimenting with that too.

01:50:39.920 Uh, I, I, sorry, we should, we should, we're going to end in a second, but psychedelics,

01:50:44.740 hard psychedelics, yes, off the table.

01:50:47.480 Yes.

01:50:48.160 Okay.

01:50:49.080 Okay.

01:50:49.380 I will, I'm trying to think how I can diplomatically say this is for years is years and years and

01:50:58.520 years, I possessed a top secret slash blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:51:03.520 Clearance.

01:51:05.000 So there is no way that I was, and I had frequent drug drug test, uh, was subject to random polygraph,

01:51:13.800 you know, all that spook stuff.

01:51:16.600 Uh, so that was off the table.

01:51:19.480 Okay.

01:51:20.120 So turn the page.

01:51:21.660 The other side of that is I've been doing a lot of research with, uh, you know, going

01:51:27.220 all the way back to like Albert and Lily and those guys and bring it all the way up to the

01:51:31.320 21st century.

01:51:32.100 I do think there is value in, uh, Cybocillin DMT, you know, some of these others, because

01:51:41.020 I do think that it increases a person's awareness of the multidimensional aspect of their true

01:51:47.640 being.

01:51:48.000 I think there are answers there.

01:51:52.000 Like anything, you know, one has to put a very strong warning there is a person has to

01:51:56.860 be in the right place, spiritually, psychologically, and physically before they ever go down that

01:52:02.140 road.

01:52:02.580 But yeah, I do think that's an area, you know, not only because of this kind of research,

01:52:06.740 but I think from our mental health, I think, uh, Cybocillin has done some amazing, uh, benefits

01:52:12.280 for people like with, uh, you know, manic depressive, uh, OCD, things like that.

01:52:16.640 You know, it may be even psychosis, psychosis, things like that.

01:52:20.020 Yeah.

01:52:20.300 So yeah, I think it's, it's worth studying.

01:52:22.780 Something we talk about, but I tell people all the time, like, don't do it because I don't

01:52:26.680 know where you are in life.

01:52:29.220 Geographically, all that stuff.

01:52:30.480 I'm like, I, I'm not going to be the guy that sends you off the deep end.

01:52:33.460 Right.

01:52:33.900 But there's something there.

01:52:34.700 Yeah.

01:52:35.080 Yeah.

01:52:35.380 There is.

01:52:36.360 Yeah.

01:52:36.840 I mean, I've had people on the team that have done alahuasca, you know, they, they talk about

01:52:42.340 what a transformative experience it is.

01:52:44.580 Locally.

01:52:44.940 I'm sorry.

01:52:45.080 What I was asking is like locally, like doing the meadow is what you're saying.

01:52:49.500 Yeah.

01:52:49.660 I mean, there are ayahuasca retreats where I know a couple of friends and they go, they

01:52:53.340 do it.

01:52:53.820 They say, so a jaguar lady, other people say that was common. 1.00

01:52:57.220 She's always here because they're in that locality.

01:52:59.420 When we're talking about principalities, uh, dominions, things like that.

01:53:03.180 Yeah.

01:53:03.760 I just wonder like in that place, like that.

01:53:06.340 No, we've not, no, there, there, yeah, no, we've never done, uh, or nobody's ever done,

01:53:10.500 you know, that kind of, uh, stuff right there.

01:53:12.940 It's always been somewhere else.

01:53:15.340 Um, okay.

01:53:16.180 Final question, Trey, this is something that we like to ask our guests on the way out.

01:53:19.580 And I, and I, I have a feeling, I know the answer, just given the fact that you could

01:53:22.760 easily just, uh, not be doing this.

01:53:24.400 You could be retired.

01:53:25.620 Um, but are you, are you having fun?

01:53:28.140 Um, yeah, you know, I'm, I'm the kid that grew up in the seventies watching, you know,

01:53:33.580 Leonard Nimoy, uh, in search of, I, I remember seeing the documentary Sasquatch, a legend of

01:53:39.060 Bigfoot in 19, I think 76.

01:53:41.460 So, you know, I'm, I'm kind of like this maladaptive sponge.

01:53:44.000 I've always just really been interested in this stuff.

01:53:46.800 And, you know, if we're not thinking, if we're not moving, if we're not exercising our

01:53:52.380 curiosity, then we're not human.

01:53:54.980 And I plan on being as human as possible.

01:53:58.940 I love that answer.

01:54:00.960 It's a great conversation, Trey.

01:54:02.640 Um, I hope you'll come back if there's any developments on the meadow, if there's anything

01:54:05.660 else you'd like to share with the audience, this has been great.

01:54:07.840 Um, one more time, what's, what's the name of your book?

01:54:10.120 Where can everybody find it?

01:54:11.040 And when can they expect the next one?

01:54:13.200 Okay.

01:54:13.560 Well, the first book is the Meadow Project Explorations in the Skins, uh, South, uh,

01:54:19.780 South Skinwalker Ranch.

01:54:21.180 That's actually on, uh, Amazon.

01:54:22.980 And the second book, which is Return to the Meadow, that's out now.

01:54:28.980 You can buy that.

01:54:30.180 That's, uh, Further Adventures at the South Skinwalker Ranch.

01:54:34.400 And, uh, so they're out there.

01:54:36.300 Uh, I, I humbly ask people, you buy the books because we're self-funded.

01:54:42.640 You know, I mean, I have pieces of equipment that are like four and $5,000 that I've, you

01:54:46.880 know, funded out of pocket.

01:54:48.380 So, uh, yeah, you know, high-end thermals are not cheap.

01:54:51.040 So, you know, that's the way we continue this research.

01:54:54.400 And I promise people, as we continue the research, I will share it.

01:54:58.280 So, uh, buy the books.

01:55:00.740 Uh, I think, uh, you know, six, six bucks for the audio book is a heck of a deal.

01:55:05.760 Uh, so, uh, I'm not a hardcover book, man.

01:55:09.220 Yeah.

01:55:09.720 This technology, yeah, this technology might fail us.

01:55:13.220 Go for the gusto.

01:55:14.200 I mean, I like, I like physical media anyway.

01:55:16.620 Uh, when the movie comes out, uh, I don't know about the distribution.

01:55:20.660 I think we're going to check into that.

01:55:22.100 Uh, I think probably before this gets put out there, maybe we'll have some answers on

01:55:26.960 distribution of that.

01:55:28.180 Uh, watch the documentary.

01:55:29.200 I mean, it's, it's, it's enjoyable.

01:55:31.320 It's interesting.

01:55:31.900 Uh, and I'm not going to give the ending away, but it throws a curve ball.

01:55:36.880 I mean, it throws a weird curve ball that the team was not expecting.

01:55:41.380 So that's, you know what, maybe after this is over, I got to ask you about it.

01:55:44.000 Cause we were like, what the, yeah.

01:55:45.500 Well, also for the audience who's listening, check the description because at the time of

01:55:48.500 this recording, we didn't have access to it, but by the time this is released, we should

01:55:51.560 have it.

01:55:51.820 So check the description below.

01:55:52.860 You'll find the link for the description.

01:55:54.020 I mean, uh, for the documentary.

01:55:55.940 Yeah.

01:55:56.260 So, uh, you know, just, uh, what I tell people is, you know, go out there, love your

01:56:03.300 friends, love your family, love God and have fun.

01:56:07.000 That's it.

01:56:07.560 I love it.

01:56:08.120 I love it.

01:56:08.680 And, uh, perfect, man.

01:56:09.820 Hey guys, this has been a great episode of Nephilim desk wide until next time.

01:56:13.900 Don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

01:56:16.380 We'll see you guys later.

01:56:17.060 The greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:56:23.280 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:56:27.460 You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.

01:56:33.380 You can't.

01:56:34.560 Because they'll think face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

01:56:40.300 happening.

01:56:41.200 And they have.

01:56:42.180 You can tell us what if they say, man, you can do.

01:56:44.140 Let them know.

01:56:45.960 Andیا, we'll see you guys now.

01:56:46.600 In here, you can hear your background of your passion.

01:56:49.860 Hide your own strategy.

01:56:50.040 And they, you know, Come on.

01:56:50.280 You can advise yourself, babe, come on, be on, be on, be on.

01:56:50.780 Do you have medication?

01:56:51.860 Do you need to make your passion?

01:56:52.560 Are you gonna die if you don't miss any other time?

01:56:52.620 I'll take care both of them, and do.

01:56:53.520 There's a tahun in here.

01:56:54.560 But, we don't do fun.

01:56:55.100 Be a time or not, too.

01:56:55.400 I'll prove you.

01:56:56.860 I'll take care both of you in here.

01:56:58.280 Come on.

01:56:58.580 Yes, life goes.

01:57:00.480 Before I'm on go.

01:57:01.180 You, you, I'll take care both of you.

Nephilim Death Squad - August 16, 2025

195： Mysteries of the Meadow w⧸ Trey Hudson ｜ Nephilim Death Squad

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