Wesley Roth joins us to talk about his return to the show, the return of his friend Trey Hudson, and the upcoming release of Bohemian Grove 2.0. We also talk about why we think Wesley is a spy.
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00:03:51.680Yeah, that's right, because we were doing that interview with Trey Hudson, and I wanted to be able to tell people where they – so they can't gain access to it right now, right?
00:04:18.900And it's funny that he works in intelligence because he just seems so genuine and forthcoming with everything he talks about that I was like, you'd be like the worst spy because you'd be like, you know, it's really cool I'm a spy.
00:04:31.480I should let you know because I'm a good person that I'm a spy.
00:04:51.720And also, you know, it's interesting because I think one of the questions we asked him early on, it's like, do you think it's any coincidence at all that you got involved with this sort of phenomenon that's taking place at the Meadow given your background?
00:05:04.440And he also was like, it just seems that people who are into this sort of thing get drawn to these sort of things.
00:05:12.060And I think that very much like hits the nail on the head when it comes to Trey.
00:05:16.600Yeah, I think – like, I genuinely think that the – this person's a fed because they worked in this or that is kind of overblown.
00:05:25.920It's kind of like grifter, like everybody's a grifter.
00:05:29.960There are so many people that work in that field that they only specialize in the thing they specialize in.
00:05:36.860They have no other, you know, inside knowledge that – you know, that they might not know things that regular people know just because they're so busy with the thing they're busy with.
00:05:47.940And it's very fixated on, you know, whether it's Iraq or whatever it was for the past 20 years that – would you say, well, what about Homeland?
00:05:55.820They're like, I don't know anything about the Homeland stuff.
00:05:58.220I don't know anything about the Patriot Act or whatever, you know.
00:06:01.960Yeah, everybody's got their own little area of expertise.
00:06:04.420We learned recently on an episode that we shot with someone behind the scenes.
00:06:07.760And they divulged to us that they're part of, like, this group chat of other content creators.
00:08:48.660Yeah, and, like, and I totally, like, with the, like, the emotional fallout that came from it, which, like, I can understand somebody watching it and being like, why are you reacting like this?
00:09:00.320But it's because you're not there experiencing it and you haven't been out there for as many days straight.
00:09:07.480And, like, we just shot a film in the last week of May and – well, I almost said where?
00:09:14.800I mean, this guy, this guy with his secrets.
00:14:49.940It almost seems like a trickster kind of a thing, right?
00:14:52.660I always go back now to, like, Nathaniel Gillis talking about the phenomenon and how it takes all these different forms.
00:14:57.360But if you look into places like the documentaries on Skinwalker Ranch, I think I brought this up either in our last conversation, Wes, or in one with Trey where I was saying there was a scene where some, like, you know, menial equipment went missing for a time.
00:15:14.800And then when it manifested, it was in a treetop.
00:15:18.080Like, so something had taken, and it was, like, a hefty piece of, like, I remember the way they described it.
00:15:24.360It looked like it had been dropped from an aerial POV because it just didn't make sense.
00:15:29.700Like, the arc that you would have to create to get it up into this tree, and it was, like, a lofty piece of equipment.
00:15:34.680But there is always this, like, even with poltergeist activity, which always take place, you know, in conjunction with this sort of a phenomenon, there's, like, a trickster element, you know, where it's, like, why did I just shut all my cupboards?
00:15:48.940And it's, like, it's not, like, the most horrifying crap, but it's, like, calculated, and it's almost like it's trolling you.
00:15:57.340So the idea that it would leave fingerprints over pre-existing ones, it just, like, adds a layer of confusion to the whole situation that kind of, to me, seems on par.
00:16:13.460They want to create a strife or an argument.
00:16:16.700They, I don't know, were describing this kind of thing.
00:16:19.780So it's, like, you're physically weary, and that's the easiest time for them to insert themselves, for whatever it is to insert itself, and just to cause some sort of division.
00:16:29.820Doesn't quite matter what it is, but just something.
00:16:33.420And we saw that in the film, which at first, like, when we first watched it, I was, like, what the hell is Joel doing?
00:16:38.280But then we spoke to Trey, and Trey's, like, well, oftentimes the meadow will manifest in a way that you kind of want to see it, or in a way that it thinks that you want to see it.
00:16:50.700And then after that, you see kind of, like, this weird tension between Tony and Joel.
00:16:55.320And it's, like, it's funny, it brings a little bit of levity, like, what the hell is going on in this situation?
00:17:00.500But you can tell it's not funny for them, and given what Wes just said about, like, how many days in the forest, sleeping badly, he's only getting six hours of sleep.
00:17:08.360Well, this is the secondary thing, so I could imagine, I mean, he's going to tell us about it, but I was telling you guys pre-show, last night I had something weird happen to me, where it's, like, again, in the middle of the night.
00:17:17.600I wouldn't even call it a dream, something going on, and, like, I immediately recognize, like, I wake up, and I recognize it as a lie.
00:19:38.980You can't really make sense of it either way, except for like whooping.
00:19:42.800This thing is screwing with me, which then lends itself to the idea of like a personality behind whatever it is, you know, because only a thing with a personality screws with you.
00:19:54.040And to your point about Trey's point is, yeah, it, it knew exactly where to push to cause that tension and let it stew just long enough to where they felt a little bit of like a little bit dejected and then completely leave the area.
00:20:13.200And then take that exact same thing that caused the tension and rethrust it upon them.
00:20:46.920That is a really good band name, but you know, it makes you wonder, like, is there a, is there a deeper reason or is it like a loose thing?
00:20:53.980Are they, you know, sapping energy off you of this, like real extreme lows and then high highs, you know?
00:20:59.240Cause I have to imagine they went on a real high high after seeing those fingerprints on the car.
00:21:02.880Probably, but like, also, I mean, you've got, listen, I don't know.
00:21:06.180I don't know these people, but you've got to, well, it's like, I don't, I disagree.
00:21:09.420Cause it's like, you've, you just caught the evidence that you saw some, that you thought you saw something and disprove it.
00:21:15.660And then this happens and it makes you feel even crazier.
00:21:18.120Like you don't almost don't even want to talk about it.
00:21:20.200Cause you'd be like, well, what if we look at this under a microscope and it's something it like, it's some weird bird like crashed and there's like feathers or something.
00:21:31.560And you're like, oh my God, it's a horror movie one-on-one, right?
00:21:35.560Like movies like the ring and smile and stuff where it's like something crazy happens.
00:21:40.180They affect you until people come around you.
00:21:43.020And then it's like, no, everything's fine.
00:21:44.740And then as soon as you're like, okay, everything's fine.
00:21:46.960And they hit you again and you go to your friends and family again.
00:21:50.240And they're like, okay, we got to have this person committed or they're literally losing it.
00:21:54.080And that's, that's how I learned that.
00:21:55.280It was like, they're like, they're trying to make them crazy.
00:21:57.460Whatever it is, it's trying to make them feel crazy so that they act crazy.
00:22:01.600And like it matches the, you know, the blueprint, the playbook of that kind of thing.
00:22:08.900Honestly, after that, like if I were, if I were Tony, I don't know the relationship, but I might be like, let me see your bags.
00:22:16.260Like, do you have like a big greasy hand?
00:22:20.780Because there is now that level of like suspicion, like you're this angry and you, or like you're this dejected and, and you've got to be like, it's, it's almost like, like they want you to start accusing and poking the thing.
00:23:07.400I'm playing, I keep telling you, I'm playing Resident Evil 8 and it was like all this, you know, Nephilim shit in it.
00:23:13.120And one of the things that ends up poking its head up as a, as a really big element to the story is black mold.
00:23:19.320And I'm like, damn, dude, like they're telling you all of these, you know, this idea of, of mold keeps coming up.
00:23:25.520I was talking to, uh, Jamie Henshaw Dyer and, uh, and it was like a comment on Twitter where somebody was saying, what if all demonic possession is actually just like, you know, mold sickness.
00:23:35.160And then I said, well, what if all parasites and, and mold are actually like, um, an energetic conduit that, uh, conducts, you know, negative spiritual energy?
00:23:45.300Well, I told you, I told you about my, I mean, if you watch the show, you probably heard as well, right behind the wall here used to be a staircase like coming down.
00:23:53.640And when we had it removed to build this office, there was black mold and that mold had to have been, had residents in this house at the time, especially at the time when my wife got sick.
00:24:04.640And during that time as well, that's compounded with possible witchcraft.
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00:25:06.080Which, like, yeah, in the Blair Witch project, they're all out in the forest and they're all getting like gaslit, like, by all these strange happenings that they're unable to confirm.
00:25:15.000And then, you know, before the end of the film, they've all turned on each other.
00:25:19.200That's kind of wild when you start thinking about Tony and Joel's experience through that lens.
00:25:25.840Honestly, that really puts it in a different focus for me.
00:25:28.780I wish, yeah, man, I wish, I wish they would have, uh...
00:25:33.480I'm talking, I'm talking to the guy who, I'm talking to the guy who did the documentary, but I'm like, I wish they would have, like, made that a storyline.
00:25:42.140Yeah, you probably don't think about that at all while you're out there.
00:25:44.220I wonder if they've even, I'm sure they've thought about the spiritual implications of being at, like...
00:25:48.380It wasn't like they were really at odds with one another.
00:25:50.420You don't think of it because in the moment, you're only seeing the one thing, especially now that, like, you're, the fatigue is on you.
00:25:59.660Like, when the fatigue is on you, you're not able to step back and look at the situation.
00:26:03.220Yeah, and, like, as far as the, like, storyline and stuff, it's so, like, nebulous because you don't know how it's gonna, you know, plan out, like, there's always a contingency for, like, what if this place we're going to is a complete dud?
00:26:18.740And it happens, so, you know, you have to have some sort of, like, we've gotta get this, we've gotta get this, we've gotta get this, like, to tell the story of why we're here in the first place.
00:26:30.060But you want, you want to be able to stay while we were there, you know, and a lot of times there is, or you don't even realize until after, which there was a lot of stuff in Meadow that wasn't until after, and stuff we didn't even end up including.
00:26:45.520Like, I'm sure you guys saw, like, there was a lot of focus on the Spiral and the .33 and .66 micro receivers on the Geiger counter, and I was thinking about that.
00:27:06.300But the thing that came to mind with the Spiral and the .33, and I was like, we have to go down this road in this film, we have to, and we ended up not just because we couldn't pull the information together, was, if I think of an upward Spiral and the number .33, the thing that comes to mind is the Sisters of Laredo staircase.
00:27:40.440There's a convent in New Mexico called the Sisters of Laredo, and they had, like, a loft there for the choir to sing, but there was no staircase to get up there.
00:27:54.820They had, like, a rope and pulley, essentially, to get people up there, and they were like, we need a staircase.
00:28:02.500So they looked and looked and looked and looked for somebody to build it.
00:28:12.520Well, a man came and said he would build it for them, and they agreed to terms and everything, and he said, all I ask is that no one enter while I'm working.
00:29:00.300Topher Gardner is doing, yeah, Topher Gardner is doing with his domes, where they're, like, there's this kind of kinetic energy where everything leans on itself, and there's no, I mean, I'm going to do a shit job of it.
00:37:50.940And what got you thinking that that was the case?
00:37:54.260Well, it's actually a pretty old idea.
00:37:58.860I think the first book about it being the symbol of Yahweh, the pillar to Yahweh, was written in the mid, like around the time of the Civil War, the American Civil War.
00:38:09.620There are a lot of British astronomers.
00:38:12.060They're kind of the start of the like, hey, this aligns with Orion's belts and all of that.
00:38:17.880That's when that all started to pop off.
00:38:19.840And there were a couple of books that came out that were like, hey, the measurements here are really interesting.
00:38:27.080And it's just built and built and built over time where people have started to put together new insights.
00:38:31.720So that said, none of these, except for one, are my original research.
00:38:39.940I did find something really fascinating that I included in this that I genuinely don't think anybody's ever looked at before.
00:40:28.420But as you dig into it, you start to see what it means by sacrifice.
00:40:32.180And in a lot of the Old Testament, when he refers to Israel, he's talking about just God's people, and you can transitively mean any believer at the time, even before Israel.
00:40:46.160And Egypt tends to mean just the world at large.
00:40:48.380It's just – it does the same thing with Babylon.
00:40:50.540When it says Babylon, it's talking about everywhere that's lost, essentially.
00:40:57.700But I maintain – I think that Egypt, like way pre-dynastic Egypt, was a culture that worshipped the Most High and that they built this through divine providence and probably through some help from things that are not human.
00:41:24.540And geez, Jacob was in Egypt for quite a while as well, right?
00:41:29.680Kind of like rolling – or was it – no, no, Abraham rolled through – yeah, all these guys kind of rolled through Egypt.
00:41:34.480Abraham rolls – he goes through there, and that's where he becomes rich, and he comes back out of that land, and then he begins his story with God.
00:42:42.660This is just the first interesting tidbit.
00:42:45.400So every character in Hebrew is also a number, right?
00:42:49.960If you add those two verses together, like every single character, it comes up to 5,449, which is the exact height and pyramid inches of the pyramid.
00:43:07.080If you take every character in those two bits of scripture and you add them together, it equals 5,449, which is the height of the great pyramid in inches.
00:43:19.960Pyramid inches, which is one inch, one current inch, plus a human hair.
00:44:09.180This I need to do more research and verify, but according to a lot of the people that research this, if you split up the land masses on those four, I guess, semispheres, it's equal land mass on all four sides.
00:44:26.880It's the exact center point of all land by volume.
00:44:35.200I wonder how they would determine that.
00:44:37.040I'm not saying that I don't believe that, but I know like we just did some weird shit where Japan did a land survey and found like a thousand more islands or some crap like that.
00:44:45.380Yeah, but that's like minuscule stuff.
00:44:46.580I think that this might go into the idea of PNG, and I don't even know where I sit on that idea, but if all of this stuff was together and you divided it from that center point like a cake, it would be just about equal.
00:44:58.440Right, you put it all in a blender that you get four equal glasses of sand, right?
00:45:20.260And if it was designed by the most high, I think it would be pretty close to exact, you know, like maybe a degree or a percentage point off.
00:46:15.020All right, so the sacred pyramid cubit is what these interpretations are taken from, which a lot of people thought that this was done with the, like, you'll find different measurements from different people because some people measure the pyramid in the Royal Egyptian cubit.
00:46:35.180Oh, by the way, I just want to bring this up real quick.
00:46:39.180A federal agent said this, and this is something that I learned recently.
00:46:42.120So the pyramid has eight sides technically because each side has a center peak.
00:46:47.660So you can see, like, it's, it's not always perceivable, but sometimes in the right light when a shadow is casted, you, you can see that there actually is on one of, you know, on each of the four walls, there is a center line where like either there it's peaked in or it's peaked out or something like that.
00:47:02.620But it, so technically speaking, it does have, but the other, um, the split on each wall is very subtle.
00:47:20.760It's a very subtle curve and it's the exact, uh, degree of the curvature of the earth.
00:47:25.560It's going to upset a lot of people, but the curvature of the earth matches the indentation on the pyramids.
00:47:33.420However, I will note that it's also structural that you would, you see that on the skeleton, but the casing stones that were there did not feature that the casing stones were flat.
00:47:47.360So if you, there's a few still at the bottom and they make a flat line.
00:47:51.840So if they were all still on it, it would be straight.
00:47:53.980So it's the inside it's structural, but it's also mathematics buried in that.
00:47:58.360There's a lot of math buried in this thing.
00:48:21.560One of the reasons that they, um, use this unit of measure is there is right before you enter the King's chamber, there is a, uh, rose quartz stone that has a, a semi sphere or a semi circle.
00:48:39.360Um, that's not carved into it, but it's like, um, an embossment.
00:48:46.660It comes out and it's called the boss and it's exactly five of those, um, pyramid inches.
00:48:53.860And they look at it as a key thing, use this.
00:48:57.120And there's a lot of five, um, a lot of fives in this.
00:49:00.340Five also happens to be in, uh, like gematria and Hebrew, um, culture.
00:49:18.920So God's breath or God's grace was added to Abraham when he made the covenant with him.
00:49:25.500That's why they look at this and go, Oh, that's relevant.
00:49:28.960It's not just a cool little, you know, semi circle feature.
00:49:33.160It's like, Hey, here's something where they're using potentially mathematics to play, to pay homage to, to God, the father.
00:49:39.800And to give the key to understanding the pyramid and what it's trying to tell you, because the idea, go ahead.
00:49:47.840Uh, just reminds me of like, uh, the five, you have five fingers here rather than the six digit for what was possibly roaming the earth in those days.
00:49:57.440Um, but the, this is sort of where I'm going to go with it is it's, it is the monument to Yahweh, but it is also the entire gospel, uh, told in physical form.
00:50:08.840Um, I'm sorry, the, the, the pyramid is the entire, it's the entire story of the Bible told from start to beginning or from start to finish.
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00:51:04.400When they're talking about the Great Pyramid, it's Pachanak, which translates to house of Enoch.
00:51:10.860And then in dynastic Egyptian times, they called it Kuti, which means light or lights.
00:51:15.620And then more interesting to me is the Chaldeans, which is where Abraham is from.
00:51:27.760It could be Urimiden or Urimiden revelatory measurements, measures, revelatory measures.
00:51:36.760So it's literally telling you like what they decided to name these things.
00:51:41.060Yeah, there's something, there's information imparted via the measurements of this structure.
00:51:46.460And a lot of people know that, you know, the, what is it, 42,300, if you multiply the, like the circumference of the circle around the base of the pyramid, that will equal the circumference of the earth.
00:52:03.900It will also relate to the distance to the sun.
00:52:08.460And there's, yeah, there's a lot of just like, how did they know to put it on the equator, first of all.
00:52:19.920And like, listen, I have no beef with flat earthers.
00:52:23.220I just happen to disagree because I think that if you make that leap, and I won't say that there aren't things that they say that are compelling.
00:52:32.720But if you make that leap, it makes a lot of the things in scripture make less sense.
00:52:37.560And a lot of the things that they point to for justification for flat earth, I'm going to get into that here because I think it has more to do with the pyramid than it has to do with the design of the earth.
00:52:48.300I love this show because we had a flat earther on the last episode and then immediately accidentally go to debunk them.
00:54:57.580Like a day for a thousand years, like a day to God is a thousand years to a man.
00:55:05.560Or how Jesus uses the word hour and day as metaphor or not metaphor, but just as turn a phrase to mean this point in time or this amount of time.
00:55:17.060And even sometimes the Bible will say a thousand years when it's really much more than that, just because at the time when you said a thousand years, it's like when we say like, guys, I've been waiting for a million years.
00:55:27.100It's like, I've been waiting for a very long time.
00:55:31.040It just was a turn of phrase at the time.
00:55:33.540There are a lot of things that you have to look at scripture in the context, just like Jesus saying, like, I want you to hate your mother and father.
00:55:43.220He doesn't want you to hate your mother and father.
00:55:44.820He's saying, love me so much that as much as you love them, it would look like hate to somebody.
00:55:54.540So when somebody compares your love to mine, the only word they could use to describe your love for them is hate.
00:55:58.900You won't understand that unless you know that that is a way that people spoke then.
00:56:03.820And that was a common phrase at the time.
00:56:06.240But I got into a little philosophical argument with my parents about the term eternity, because when you look it up, eternity means like it's like a vast expanse of time or like a huge expanse of time.
00:57:11.180And then I'm like, is that the difference of like between heaven and here?
00:57:16.320It's like, hey, like the same amount of time literally has passed biologically, but it's or hasn't changed or it is different biologically, but it's the same amount of time.
00:57:34.820It's like, you're trying to apply this idea of time to it, but you can't quite do that, but it still does mean.
00:57:41.640So it says for infinite or an unending time.
00:57:44.400It's like, well, what do you mean by that?
00:57:46.260Even when, when, when Wes is saying like, God's talking about, you know, these first three days and the sun doesn't exist yet.
00:57:53.220And then if it's like a day is a thousand years, but then that expression just meaning like a really long amount of time, because even without the sun, what is a thousand years?
00:58:03.220One year is 365 days, days that are made up by a 24 hour sun.
00:58:06.920Well, I think he's going to get into this right with his next slide.
00:58:12.660Interestingly, Enoch, since it's the house of Enoch, Enoch lived for 365 years.
00:58:16.940I'm willing to bet that he lived for 365 years in three months because one solar year is 365 days plus a quarter of a day, essentially 0.242.
00:58:29.800Um, and that's even true, like with our, we have a leap year, right?
00:58:33.560Um, but even a leap year, um, isn't, doesn't quite do it.
00:58:38.120And I think on the Julian calendar, I'm, I did not look into this.
00:58:42.280I just remember reading it somewhere and I might have the right, the wrong calendar.
00:58:45.440One of the calendars always had every year, I think it was 12 minutes or something like that built into, um, certain months of the year, which I also found, found interesting.
00:58:55.96012, um, 12 minutes to account for that little bit of difference.
00:59:12.900But they measure, they measure a year by when the seasons pass by when it gets like adequately cold or hot enough.
00:59:18.780I'm like, that is so crazy, but maybe that's it because it seems like any attempt to, you know, really divvy it up always ends up with a remainder, which is interesting.
00:59:27.660Cause even the measurements that they're using where it's like a standard inch plus a human hair is like to account for some sort of remainder.
00:59:33.360Well, how do you, then how would you ever create something so divinely inspired without this accuracy?
00:59:58.840But I'm just like, like, even like, you know, they're building the pyramid here and the pyramid is like a, you know, it's, it's a structure that beguiles.
01:00:15.720I don't, it seems like this remainders game that they're dealing.
01:00:18.500It's the same thing with like our calendar.
01:00:19.980We're like, you know, if it, what, what calendar you suspect it is, Wes, that, that uses the additional 12 minutes, a Julian, the Julian calendar is using a remainder of 12 minutes to try to account for this.
01:00:32.740We're using leap years to try to account for this.
01:00:34.840Like we can't, it, to me, it seems like we're, we can't figure it out.
01:00:39.260We're trying to figure out what the remainder is.
01:00:41.480How do we, how do we divide this so that it ends up in these, you know, proportions that we're, we're happy with and we can't seem to do it.
01:00:50.580So each side of the pyramid, like the corner to corner is 365.242 period cubits, sacred Hebrew cubits, which again is historically measured by elbow to fingertips.
01:01:05.660Plus a hand 25, like what even we watched the UFC and it's like, this dude's got a reach.
01:01:12.000That's got six extra inches on this guy, but you virtually identical, but we can measure from, from, uh, elbow to fingertip.
01:35:45.720And then if you follow it into the queen's chamber passage, there's a drop down.
01:35:49.880And if you follow that laterally back, it would be about four BC, which is also interesting, which is the corrected year for the birth of Jesus.
01:35:59.340Given when the decree to, uh, execute the, uh, firstborn sons of the, uh, Hebrews to get rid of him by Herod would was actually happened.
01:36:11.000So we have to put the idea that Jesus was born around that time.
01:36:14.040Um, and then the center point would be 70 AD, which is the final rejection of Christ, uh, by the, um, the Jews and the destruction of the temple.
01:36:26.380And then you jump up to the top of the, uh, passage be 96 AD, which is the presumed year of the finishing of the writing of revelation, which is very interesting.
01:36:39.140Okay. Now I've heard other, I'm going to go back other interpretations of what this queen's chamber is because, and I'll get into it in a second.
01:36:47.040Um, actually I'm just going to jump to it.
01:36:48.780Uh, well, one side note, the angle of the ascending passage is 26 degrees, 18 minutes, 9.6 seconds, which if you convert that to just degrees is 26.30 to 666 degrees.
01:37:05.100Interesting. But if you put that on the equator, raise it counterclockwise, it's a straight line from the great pyramid to this dot right here, which is Bethlehem.
01:37:25.300All right. So here's the names in the Egyptian book of the dead of the passages.
01:37:30.520So the descent, the chamber of ordeal, which I think is funny, the well of life, the hall of truth and darkness, the path of the coming forth of the regenerated soul and the chamber of rebirth and regeneration.
01:37:45.520Now there's the, uh, I'm going to jump forward to the Christian version.
01:38:55.340And the argument I would make is that the, wherever the information came for the book of the dead is the pre Egyptian civilization that were aware of who the most high God was like they, they got it.
01:39:10.840They had some information, whether it was watchers or something communicating, because we talk a lot about when the watchers sinned, but nobody ever really talks about what they did before that.