Nephilim Death Squad - 219： North Star, Pillars & the Hidden Center w⧸ Symbolic Studies

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00:02:05.100 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:06.740 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:17.020 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:04:14.780 Joining us today is Mario of Symbolic Studies.

00:04:18.920 Mario, you are crushing it on all platforms.

00:04:22.260 And so I think it's important that before we start this conversation, let's let people know where they can find you.

00:04:27.740 Yeah, of course.

00:04:28.300 Thanks for having me.

00:04:29.440 So people can find me on Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, things like that.

00:04:32.960 But the easiest way is just to go to symbolicstudies.com, and you can find all my links from there.

00:04:38.200 Very cool.

00:04:39.120 You know, I have to start by asking, because your body of information is quite substantial.

00:04:45.440 One of my favorite accounts on X, in a place where everybody's screaming into the ether about the coming race war, 0.85

00:04:52.220 it is very refreshing to go and find somebody's content who's just going,

00:04:56.540 hey, man, look at all this really fascinating stuff.

00:04:58.420 Look what it means.

00:04:59.140 Look at the definition of things.

00:05:00.320 And let's try to understand these symbols, because the vast majority of us, we just point at them and we scream Illuminati.

00:05:07.760 And that's not what you do, Mario.

00:05:10.220 You actually unpack some of these ideas.

00:05:12.520 I want to start by asking you how, why, what drove you to the madness of trying to understand the symbolic language that surrounds us here in this earthly realm?

00:05:24.120 Yeah, great question.

00:05:25.400 You know, I've always been very visual.

00:05:27.120 So I consider myself a lifelong artist.

00:05:29.380 You know, and I've done all sorts of different types of art, but a lot of it is very much visual.

00:05:35.860 So illustrations and paintings and things like that.

00:05:39.580 Eventually, I found graphic design.

00:05:41.420 And so in high school, I discovered Photoshop and I started designing stuff for my friends bands.

00:05:47.760 So I was really plugged into like the hardcore metal scene and things like that years ago.

00:05:51.380 And so I was doing stuff for the local scene.

00:05:54.860 And then after a while, once I started getting clients and everything else and I really started taking design seriously, I really wanted to know some of what I was working with.

00:06:04.360 These different icons and colors and whatnot.

00:06:06.880 And starting around 2008 is when I began collecting symbolic dictionaries and symbolic reference books and things like that.

00:06:16.200 And to me, I was kind of blown away.

00:06:18.680 I had no idea that you could even make a study of symbolism.

00:06:21.780 You know, what does the line mean?

00:06:23.080 What does the color yellow mean?

00:06:24.340 What does the number five mean or the square or whatever?

00:06:27.420 And so it basically became a passion of mine over time.

00:06:30.880 And I started buying all these books.

00:06:32.660 Now I have like a pretty good library of symbolic reference material.

00:06:35.980 And inadvertently, I found out that that really helped with my art and it really helped with my design skills and everything else.

00:06:42.800 So it actually made me a more competent designer.

00:06:46.040 Over time, I became really interested in film.

00:06:48.620 So I went to film school for a number of years.

00:06:50.340 I also became interested in the tarot.

00:06:53.460 And the tarot really opened me up to a whole nother world of symbology.

00:06:57.780 You know, from there, I got interested in astrology.

00:07:00.520 I got interested in various myths, numerology, things like that.

00:07:04.240 And at some point, I realized that this study of symbolism is basically the study of metaphysics, actually, when you break it down.

00:07:12.720 And that symbols are essentially, for a long time, they've been the best way to encode metaphysical truths.

00:07:19.180 And so once I found that out, I kind of was all in with symbolism.

00:07:23.120 And then once I found the authors that were really worth following and reading and everything else, it was off to the races.

00:07:28.980 And so, you know, it answered a lot of questions to me that I wasn't getting elsewhere.

00:07:34.860 And now because I have like a strong and it's it's you know, there's still room for growth.

00:07:39.980 Obviously, I call my channel symbolic studies because I consider myself a perpetual student.

00:07:44.680 Right.

00:07:44.860 But as I started studying basic symbolism, I realized that it helped me understand mythology, world religions, kind of even a lot of things that are happening in the news and on the world stage and things like that.

00:07:57.780 It just seemed to me it was like a perfect fit with my background, with art and everything else and being interested in occultism and conspiracies and truth or stuff.

00:08:05.420 It was just a really perfect blend for me to dive into it.

00:08:09.580 I love it.

00:08:11.300 Man.

00:08:11.800 OK, I'm going to have to talk with Dave because it looks like I might just go ahead and subscribe to your Patreon.

00:08:16.940 It seems like you've got a lot of stuff that I need to know about.

00:08:20.180 But you mentioned something right off the bat.

00:08:23.240 You're talking about the meaning of color and backstage.

00:08:25.760 We were chopping it up as we were waiting for David very rudely, taking his time to get to the stage.

00:08:30.320 It's fine.

00:08:31.020 It's OK.

00:08:31.380 No, but you mentioned the color yellow and whatever, just the utilization of different colors in your graphic design, how that's helped you.

00:08:40.720 And it's a it's part of a journey that I've been on, as I told you before, like looking at frequency, particularly this thing called perfect pitch.

00:08:49.840 I don't know if you're aware of that.

00:08:51.300 So before I was a graphic designer, I was a musician.

00:08:54.120 And one of the things I was obsessed with, man, maybe 10, 15 years ago was the idea of perfect pitch or relative pitch, meaning you could identify a sound right away.

00:09:06.840 But then that kind of bleeds into something called synesthesia, which like Jimi Hendrix is has been known to have.

00:09:14.760 And that's just not that's not just his LSD usage, which is actually it's interesting when you consider that the the rabbit holes that we've gone down with this show, the drug usage and then synesthesia here in color.

00:09:27.120 But he has a song called Bold is Love, where he's talking about like the color yellow.

00:09:32.580 What does that mean?

00:09:33.420 The color orange.

00:09:34.380 And he's kind of like going through each verse.

00:09:37.240 And he's I forget I forget the lyrics to it, but he's basically talking about the characterization of these colors and how it pertains to his life story.

00:09:47.060 So where do you get?

00:09:48.620 What do you can you break down just some of I'm going to ask him break down the color for me, break down colors for me.

00:09:53.160 But like, can you do that?

00:09:55.360 Yeah, I mean, everything is symbolic, right?

00:09:58.480 So everything is symbolic.

00:10:00.840 I'll say on a more broad level before we get into any specific colors, symbols are a bridge to the divine.

00:10:07.660 That's how I personally see it.

00:10:08.980 A lot of the authors that I follow and really respect and admire, they're essentially saying the same thing.

00:10:16.240 And so everything symbolic in this realm is actually an emanation of something higher.

00:10:21.940 Right. And so the reason why symbolism to me matters is because it encodes information from a higher sort of more divine plane.

00:10:31.540 Right. I'm of the opinion just briefly to talk about sort of how I perceive metaphysics and everything.

00:10:38.520 Everything emanates from a center and returns back to that same center.

00:10:41.460 So everything is sort of a reflection of that original center.

00:10:44.580 Right. And so this original sort of seed or this principle unity, you know, some people might call it source.

00:10:50.140 And so everything we see around us, you know, whether it be an animal, a raven or a lobster, as an example.

00:10:58.100 Right. Whether it be a number, it could be anything, any sort of plant or tree, a rock, you know, any sort of color.

00:11:05.660 Or it's a representation of something of a higher order.

00:11:09.200 And so so in a way they are all bridges to this divine sort of concept or whatever.

00:11:15.500 And this used to be really important to ancient peoples.

00:11:18.760 You know, they thought that basically everything in their life had meaning, everything in their life sort of had purpose.

00:11:24.260 Right. That everything was sort of ritualistic in a way and sacred in a way.

00:11:28.240 And so it made sense for ancient peoples to sort of encode their world or reality with things that actually had sort of intention behind it.

00:11:37.180 We've really lost this as modern people. 0.94

00:11:39.640 We've lost this to a huge, huge, huge degree.

00:11:42.360 So now there's a lot of people who think that their life is meaningless.

00:11:45.420 Right. And so they kind of don't have orientation.

00:11:48.360 There's really no purpose. Right.

00:11:50.520 They've kind of lost this divine spiritual kind of spark, you know, in a way.

00:11:55.040 And so so the study of symbolism really is a study, again, of this higher order.

00:12:01.440 And colors are like a basic foundational part of all of this.

00:12:04.840 Right. Because everything visual is color based.

00:12:08.160 But I'll say one of the interesting things when we're talking about visuals and we're talking about things that are sort of aesthetic visually,

00:12:15.360 that actually basically there's two different main societies, two different cultures.

00:12:21.180 And we live in an agrarian farming society, basically.

00:12:26.680 So we're a settled people.

00:12:28.700 So people like to kind of establish their land, stick around somewhere and basically have a property, have a place to call their own, have a place to call home.

00:12:38.300 This is in contrast to nomadic peoples.

00:12:41.020 So nomadic peoples were always traveling.

00:12:43.780 And so they had their seasonal migrations and everything else.

00:12:46.180 Everyone began, all of humanity began as nomadic people. 1.00

00:12:51.520 And so we were more travelers.

00:12:53.660 And so there's a major distinction between nomadic peoples and settlers.

00:12:58.760 Nomadic peoples, the artwork that they preferred was actually art that unfolded over time.

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00:13:30.140 And so they actually preferred music, as an example.

00:13:35.320 They preferred the oral tradition, right?

00:13:38.600 They preferred poetry.

00:13:40.340 They couldn't bring, you know, their artwork with them, basically, you know, but they could play music.

00:13:45.320 They could bring a flute or they can bring simple instruments.

00:13:48.000 They can sing.

00:13:48.700 They can do all these different things.

00:13:50.140 So they had a different relationship with symbolism.

00:13:52.880 They preferred sounds, things that are auditory, versus settled people.

00:13:59.020 They prefer artwork that's visual.

00:14:02.060 They prefer artwork that unfolds over space.

00:14:04.920 And so they prefer actually like architecture, right?

00:14:08.640 You know, maybe creating statues or totems, painting, drawing, things like that.

00:14:13.840 So that's one big distinction that's actually very, very interesting between these two societies.

00:14:18.920 So because we live in a agrarian farming society, we have a stronger preference for all things visual.

00:14:27.100 In actuality, though, if we're breaking down just symbolism with sound and audio, that and music, music is closer to spirit than things that are visual, right?

00:14:38.780 And that's actually just kind of like, I think everyone sort of almost understands that, right?

00:14:43.080 When you hear something, you can be moved and you could have all of these different emotions and everything else.

00:14:48.280 You can certainly have that same experience visually.

00:14:50.720 But I think there's something about music and sound and poetry that kind of like cuts to the core a little bit more.

00:14:56.540 So there are seven colors of the rainbow, right?

00:15:01.140 And so what is a rainbow?

00:15:02.600 A rainbow, it looks like an arch, right?

00:15:04.580 Or an arc.

00:15:05.760 It's been viewed as a bridge.

00:15:07.180 So this bridge has been used in various myths as a bridge to the other side, right?

00:15:12.100 To the underworld or what have you.

00:15:14.500 And so there's the rainbow bridge concept.

00:15:17.220 So you have seven colors of the rainbow.

00:15:20.140 Now, it's fascinating to me.

00:15:21.860 The number seven is so significant.

00:15:23.640 Some people have said that it's really sort of the esoteric.

00:15:27.360 Patterning of this realm.

00:15:28.600 The number seven has something to do with that.

00:15:30.620 We have these seven colors of the rainbow.

00:15:32.460 We have seven days of the week, right?

00:15:34.900 We have seven chakras.

00:15:36.520 It goes on and on and on and on.

00:15:38.440 The number seven is really, really important and significant.

00:15:41.560 There's even modes in music as well.

00:15:43.640 This is what I was talking to you in pre-show.

00:15:45.780 Before you come to the completion and then repeat the cycle with what's called an octave,

00:15:50.200 you'll have seven steps in a key, in a major key.

00:15:53.960 So it's like, yeah, it's all the same thing.

00:15:55.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:15:57.360 And so the number seven has been viewed as sort of this divine, almost complete number.

00:16:02.300 There's a sort of perfection aspect to the number seven.

00:16:06.420 And so to me, there's no surprise that there are these seven colors of the rainbow, right?

00:16:10.080 Obviously, when you're dealing with the rainbow of that spectrum, you know, you're dealing with colors that are of a higher nature, vibrate on a higher level, and then colors that are of a lower nature, right?

00:16:22.000 So at the bottom, you have red, and below that, you have infrared, right?

00:16:26.500 And then at the top, you have violet, and then above that, you have ultraviolet, right?

00:16:31.160 And so to me, one basic sort of way of looking at the colors is to see how they're actually related to our chakra system and how our root chakra would be red.

00:16:40.840 It gets a bit warmer, excuse me, it gets cooler as it goes up, and our center chakra would be green, right?

00:16:48.320 And so that would make a lot of sense, our heart chakra being green.

00:16:51.760 Green is the color of Earth, Mother Nature.

00:16:53.960 It's the color that we see the widest sort of spectrum of.

00:16:58.920 That's my understanding is that our eyes can pick up more types of green than any other color, you know, in the rainbow.

00:17:06.300 But the lower colors, like when I think of red, and I think of yellow, and I think of orange, there's a reason why you see most of those colors.

00:17:13.720 You guys have probably heard this before.

00:17:15.320 But you see a lot of those colors with fast food restaurants, right?

00:17:18.600 I mentioned that yesterday.

00:17:20.060 Right?

00:17:20.360 Yeah.

00:17:21.140 Yeah, it's all over the place.

00:17:22.280 So the Golden Arches, Carl's Jr., Chick-fil-A, etc.

00:17:26.300 They're using all of these lower colors.

00:17:29.200 And what's been said is that it actually, it kind of promotes people to buy food because it sort of relates to hunger and necessity and things like that.

00:17:38.700 And the lower chakras are kind of related to that as well, you know, I would say.

00:17:42.620 But each color, really, there's a whole book, and there's a whole sort of like volume of information about each color.

00:17:48.820 It just depends on sort of the aspect that you want to talk about, you know, with these colors.

00:17:53.420 But even with the colors, just like what you're saying, there's a musical sort of aspect there and everything else.

00:17:59.760 So I'm really interested in correspondences.

00:18:02.560 So if somebody said, hey, let's talk about the color blue, it's like, you know, then you're talking about water.

00:18:08.380 Then you're talking about sky, the sky, right?

00:18:10.680 Then you're talking about all these things that are blue, you know, in nature.

00:18:13.840 So each color is its own rabbit hole, basically.

00:18:17.880 Let me ask you, oh, go ahead, Tep. 0.99

00:18:21.700 I was just going to say that I found like, I don't know if I'd say in my studies, but in my experience, I have like slight synesthesia, but like the color orange relates to the key of E major for me.

00:18:31.860 So that's one sharp, two sharps, meaning like two of the notes are sharpened.

00:18:37.360 The color blue, like behind me, a lighter blue specifically would correlate to the key of F major or D minor.

00:18:43.580 The same thing.

00:18:45.140 And then green would be the color, like the color green would be the key of G, which is like one shot.

00:18:51.660 I don't know what this has to do with anything, but I know that we perceive music on like a frequency and vibration basis.

00:18:57.780 And I know that we also perceive like light color specifically as frequency and vibration.

00:19:02.940 So it's like the overlap is, I just, I don't know where to put it, but other people have also expressed the same sort of sentiment toward even the same key signatures.

00:19:13.380 But like, as far as they relate to color, which is bizarre to me, like you said, like they correlate certain things and it's like, why?

00:19:20.760 Right, exactly.

00:19:21.420 Well, I'll just say that this is a sacred science.

00:19:24.640 And so that's one of the things that took me a while to sort of realize is that when I first got into symbolism, I think I had a lot of ideas that didn't really, you know, there was no foundation or whatever.

00:19:36.340 And then over time, I sort of realized, oh, no, there's actually a scientific quality to all of this stuff that you can actually make sense of it.

00:19:44.720 And you can actually sort of understand how it's patterned.

00:19:48.140 And, you know, sort of I wouldn't say that there's necessarily rules, but there is a whole established history of symbologists and things like that that have made sense out of all of these different symbols.

00:20:00.860 And I think a lot of people, when they get into symbology, a lot of them never make it to that level.

00:20:06.540 A lot of them, everything is sort of just kind of, you know, out there and it's almost kind of, you know, it's just like in this murky water or something like that.

00:20:13.720 But I'll say that personally, the way I tend to look at everything, the center itself gives you orientation for all things, basically, you know.

00:20:22.700 And so the center of self gives you orientation in this world, in my opinion.

00:20:27.660 If you have a spiritual leader, that person is sort of like a symbolic center in your life.

00:20:32.000 You're looking towards them for direction, for guidance, things like that.

00:20:35.500 There's a lot of symbolism that relate to like Christ and other spiritual leaders where they basically are embodying sort of this center for people.

00:20:43.060 And so the center, in my opinion, sort of makes sense out of all of it, including colors and numbers and everything else.

00:20:49.360 You know, what this is really referring to, if you want to talk about it like on metaphysical terms, is like non-duality.

00:20:56.220 Is that non-duality existed, a supreme principle existed, the monad existed, and then everything is sort of an emanation or an expression of that.

00:21:05.280 So everything is also a reflection of that as well.

00:21:08.480 And so as an example, just to use the color thing.

00:21:11.120 So in astrology, the rainbow actually has a huge correspondence with Sagittarius.

00:21:17.520 Sagittarius. So Sagittarius is the centaur archer.

00:21:21.740 Centaur, even centaur sounds like center, right?

00:21:24.760 And so if you have a bow and arrow and you have the arrow pulled and you're aiming for a target, what are you aiming for?

00:21:31.220 You're aiming for the center of the target, right?

00:21:33.280 The dot in the middle of the bullseye.

00:21:34.760 And so the rainbow relates to the bow as well, because we're dealing with the bow.

00:21:39.840 The shape of the bow itself relates to the rainbow, right?

00:21:43.800 And then you're also dealing with the symbolic arch of the arrow as well.

00:21:47.780 It makes a bow, right?

00:21:49.000 When you're shooting it into the sky, right?

00:21:50.760 You know, one of the things, it's a crazy thought.

00:21:55.560 God ends the world with a flood, sends a rainbow to say that I won't do it this way again.

00:22:01.780 But the archery term for missing your mark would be sin.

00:22:05.540 And the reason, I mean, you know, some people, we'd argue that it's the Nephilim why God sent the flood.

00:22:10.420 And some people argue it was just man's sin.

00:22:12.100 But it's kind of interesting that little overlap, the archery term of sin, the archer, the centaur, the rainbow, it's kind of all circling itself.

00:22:22.280 Yeah, exactly.

00:22:23.220 No, the rainbow for a long time, it's been used to represent symbolic endings and beginnings.

00:22:29.380 And so that's what it represented when it was seen.

00:22:31.540 It was the thing that sort of initiated the end of the flood, right?

00:22:34.860 Or it kind of a signal, the end of the flood rather.

00:22:36.940 Yeah.

00:22:37.580 You know, so it kind of brought about this new beginning.

00:22:40.080 And so the end of the cycle, beginning of another one.

00:22:44.240 So the interesting thing about Sagittarius is that there is a myth of a centaur in Greek mythology that Sagittarius is related to very strongly.

00:22:54.240 And the myth is of the centaur named Chiron.

00:22:57.680 Chiron was born and his parents considered him to be a freak because he was half human, half horse.

00:23:03.960 So he was abandoned by his parents.

00:23:06.140 This abandonment is considered to be one of his greatest wounds.

00:23:10.620 And so it's like this invisible wound sort of thing.

00:23:13.460 And he ended up being adopted by the gods of Olympus.

00:23:17.340 And he became a world-renowned healer, essentially, an herbalist and all these other things.

00:23:22.020 But he had multiple setbacks in his life, including being abandoned by his folks and including being a centaur.

00:23:30.140 So in Greek mythology, centaurs were viewed as being very lusty and brutish and all these other things, right?

00:23:36.100 And so he was able to overcome all of these obstacles and basically become what people refer to as the wounded healer.

00:23:43.280 And this is sort of the archetype for all shamans and healers and medicine people and things like that, is that oftentimes the greatest healers actually had to transmute major, major wounds that they suffered when they were children, right?

00:23:57.640 And so he's known as the wounded healer.

00:24:00.900 And it's interesting because the card, the tarot card that corresponds, there you go.

00:24:07.680 Yeah, exactly.

00:24:08.560 The tarot card that corresponds with Sagittarius and Chiron is the temperance card.

00:24:13.760 And there's even some cards where they will show a rainbow, you know, over the main figure in this card.

00:24:19.340 It usually shows like a woman. 1.00

00:24:21.080 She has wings. 1.00

00:24:22.000 So she's an angel.

00:24:22.820 And she's pouring from one chalice to another, right?

00:24:26.240 There's a lot of deep, deep symbolism about that card.

00:24:29.100 But a lot of it has to do with alchemy.

00:24:31.980 And the alchemical sort of system that I put a lot of stock into is called Azoth alchemy.

00:24:38.780 And Azoth alchemy has seven steps, basically.

00:24:42.440 And there's even an acronym that outlines these seven steps.

00:24:46.180 It's called vitriol.

00:24:47.060 And vitriol is basically an acronym that each letter of vitriol basically is the first letter of a word, which creates the sentence of seven words.

00:24:58.140 And when you break down this sentence or you expand this sentence, it says, visit the interior parts of the earth and you'll find the hidden stone or you'll find the hidden medicine, basically.

00:25:09.120 Now, it's not talking about literal earth.

00:25:12.580 It's not saying go to the center of earth.

00:25:14.660 This is a metaphor.

00:25:15.340 It's saying go to the center of self and you'll find your medicine.

00:25:20.380 You'll find the philosopher's stone.

00:25:22.500 I think when people are referring to the philosopher's stone, the holy grail, all sorts of other relics, they're actually talking metaphorically.

00:25:31.200 They're not saying seek, actually make the philosopher's stone.

00:25:35.000 They're saying the philosopher's stone is within.

00:25:37.320 The hidden medicine is within.

00:25:38.920 And there is this idea of there being seven steps to go to the center of self, basically.

00:25:44.780 That is what that Azoth alchemical formula represents with its seven steps. 0.96

00:25:51.220 Those seven steps also have a correspondence with the seven traditional planets.

00:25:55.020 And so there's this old, old, old idea that to get to the center of self, you're going to have to remove a series of veils or you're going to have to cross seven thresholds or to go to the other side or to astral travel that you need to cross seven thresholds or seven membranes or go up a ladder that has seven steps on it.

00:26:16.880 You'll see in some Freemasonic tracing boards that sometimes they will show a ladder with seven steps on it, basically, which is pretty much emblematic of this exact same process.

00:26:27.440 That's exactly what we've been talking about, the existence of like seven heavens.

00:26:31.680 Yes, exactly.

00:26:32.860 Not existing in the seventh heaven.

00:26:34.820 So seven layers, seven heavens, seven rungs on a ladder.

00:26:39.040 Yeah, that's it.

00:26:40.100 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:26:41.140 Even there's a lot of old labyrinths where labyrinths used to be more like circular in nature.

00:26:46.880 When we think of a labyrinth today, we oftentimes confuse it with like a maze.

00:26:50.960 A maze is usually kind of rectangular or square like old labyrinths were circular and they kind of wrapped around themselves to a center.

00:27:00.360 Basically, the idea was to get to the center of the labyrinth.

00:27:03.260 Yeah.

00:27:03.360 And when you count from the outside of the labyrinth towards the center of the labyrinth, oftentimes there's seven steps.

00:27:10.340 There's seven main steps.

00:27:11.580 We were talking about the labyrinth recently on a couple of episodes.

00:27:15.520 And yeah, people confuse it with the maze or the maze is sort of designed to keep you lost and unable to find the center.

00:27:21.340 The labyrinth, if you continue on the path, you will end up in the center.

00:27:25.580 You just have to, you know, it's this elongated version of, you know, what instead would be a straight line.

00:27:31.060 But, you know, we're talking about this.

00:27:33.360 It's almost like the labyrinth draws you into the center.

00:27:37.140 I mean, the guest that we were talking with, Kingdom in Context, he was talking about these fortress cities like Jericho, which were designed as a labyrinth in a sort of circle that it's designed to draw the enemy army in.

00:27:52.220 But as you go in deeper, it's going to lead you to the center, but it's a complete trap because there is there's one way in, one way out.

00:27:59.180 Whereas a maze is like doesn't seem like it really wants you to get to the point.

00:28:03.040 And they would have archers stationed all throughout the labyrinth city and then you'd have a real shit time trying to get out.

00:28:10.280 I wonder because you started with band t-shirts and things like that, which is interesting because heavy metal bands, they utilize a lot of this symbolism.

00:28:19.480 And I wonder if you've gotten to the point now where you recognize when somebody's faking the funk.

00:28:25.200 In other words, symbolism has this ability to tell an unbelievable story and with these really deep details, but also archetypes and concepts that are really true to the human experience or true about the nature that we inhabit or the nature of the realm that we inhabit.

00:28:47.540 But then there are people who will just go and like, you know, got to get an all seeing eye tattooed on my my arm.

00:28:53.940 You know, now I'm Illuminati up. You know what I mean? There you go.

00:28:57.080 We have a bunch of goofy stuff. I thought you were pointing to one of the many goofy things we have.

00:29:00.600 I'm turning on my hair light. We got a hair light in here. This is a good studio.

00:29:04.200 So are you to the point now where, you know, you can see inherently when somebody is like you're placing these symbols within an image, you know, adjacent to each other,

00:29:14.140 but they're not really telling a story versus when somebody has done something and you quickly pick up on, wow, this is this is saying something, something profound, something, you know, that is that resonates with our experience.

00:29:26.300 Right. Right. Yeah. I'll say that. Absolutely. I've seen it where people are faking the funk for sure.

00:29:32.320 You know, you could put Baphomet on a album cover or T-shirt, but do you know really what it sort of represents and means and everything else?

00:29:40.280 Um, on the other hand, so I've seen that for sure. On the other hand, though, I've seen a lot of bands where I've been shocked at the depth of what they're putting into their albums,

00:29:52.800 because that's my main genre still is I'm a metalhead basically. And so all genres of metal and everything else.

00:29:58.800 And I've been blown away at some album covers and T-shirts and everything where I'm like, whoa, is this guy like, you know, he must be a serious occultist or, you know, or his artist is, you know, that's another thing to being a designer.

00:30:12.640 I've designed things for clients where they don't know the depth or the sort of intention that I had behind it even, but they just like it aesthetically.

00:30:19.900 Yeah. You know, and so that's one thing that I've noticed a lot.

00:30:23.440 Hey, let me ask you really quick. Uh, I'm going to pull this up. I know you said you're a metalhead, but, uh, whatever, because we're going to look at this. What do you think about this shit?

00:30:32.780 This Michael Jackson was like really wild with it. And it's to the point where like, yeah, somebody like me, most of it is lost on me.

00:30:40.840 Oh yeah. I have no idea. I mean, but I know that it's significant. I mean, I, we can pick out a couple of things in here, but I'm sure you'll have a field day looking at this.

00:30:48.480 Oh my goodness. Yeah. Mario. Yeah. Right. I mean, this is really, really dense, man. I mean, there's so much going on here.

00:30:58.580 You know, one of the things I'll just say right off the top of my head, you know, um, what I'm kind of seeing that I think is interesting is that red star right there, you know, right underneath his eyes, underneath that peacock, you know, notice that it's framed and there's kind of like two cherubim, cherubim angels kind of there. Right.

00:31:16.300 Right. And, you know, star symbolism to me is so fascinating. I've gotten really, really into the nature of the star and what it represents.

00:31:23.660 And in my opinion, personally, based on my research with the authors, I like to follow, um, there is a sort of star of stars and it's the North star, the pole star, you know, it's the central star in the heavens.

00:31:37.380 It's the star that all of the other stars, including the stars of the Zodiac, the constellations of the Zodiac, they all revolve around the North star.

00:31:46.920 They all go counterclockwise. That's very significant. I've done so much research on this.

00:31:52.060 Um, the reason why it's so important and significant of a star is that ancient peoples basically had a very high reverence for the star more than the sun.

00:32:02.600 So this is something that's kind of interesting. If you buy a lot of newer symbolic dictionaries, there's an overemphasis on the sun and solar symbolism, and they'll attribute everything to the sun.

00:32:14.480 Basically when you find older works, that is less so the case. And then when you find really, really like the cream of the crop symbologists that exist, uh, that have existed over the last like a hundred, 150 years, uh, they will all acknowledge that there was this massive shift from polar symbolism to solar symbolism.

00:32:35.680 And this shift took place over hundreds or thousands of years because we live in a very solarized sort of world where everything is more so about the sun. I post a lot about astrology, but it's a solar based system because we're dealing with the ecliptic, which is the path of the sun.

00:32:54.300 And while that wasn't always the case that there were people that didn't give much credit to the sun and people were basically focused on the Northern sky and they were focused actually on the two constellations that go around the pole star, the closest, which is Ursa major and Ursa minor, the big dipper and the little dipper or the great bear and the little bear.

00:33:14.680 This was the primary sky clock.

00:33:17.260 This, the swastika is, is a represent representation of the, one of the, um, dippers as, as it proceeds to the equinox now. 0.92

00:33:24.300 No, that's it. It's, uh, it's Ursa major going around the pole star. You're basically looking at, um, each arm of the swastika is looking at Ursa major once a quarter, you know, once a season. 0.54

00:33:36.480 Yeah.

00:33:36.620 Right. You know, what's fascinating too about that image of, uh, Michael Jackson's album cover, if that was his album cover, he has his own like Masonic pillars and the archway, the Masonic arch is actually the words dangerous, which is interesting, right?

00:33:49.460 It looks like he's got his own like pillar and archway going on.

00:33:52.660 Ooh, bro.

00:33:54.560 That's pretty fascinating.

00:33:55.780 You just pointed out something really interesting. And I wonder if this is intentional or not. So notice that the letter right underneath that star is E.

00:34:03.560 Yeah. I was thinking about that. It's the fifth letter in the alphabet. And, but I don't really know. I was, I was like trying to find some significance. I know we kind of set out to talk about cancer and it being the cornerstone. Um, and I was hoping for something, but then I was like, wait, I don't know which number.

00:34:17.560 I don't know if you're, you're into it, but I feel like you'll have to come back at some point because it's going to be a lot. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.

00:34:25.760 So what do you think is going on there with the E?

00:34:27.620 Okay. Well, it weaves in perfectly with the Freemasonic stuff. And so notice, as you pointed out that there's basically two pillars. So there's two pillars on the left and the right, and then you have dangerous across.

00:34:39.280 And so the apex of the arch that E symbolically would be the keystone. So the keystone is that stone in the middle of the Royal Arch. Right. And that keystone actually corresponds with the Northern sky.

00:34:52.900 Right. And there's a lot of, uh, symbolic evidence that this is actually the case, right? Because whenever you have two pillars, symbolically, there's always a third pillar. There's always an implied third pillar basically.

00:35:04.720 And so when you see the twin pillars, right. Or you see the twin towers, there's an implied third tower. It's just always the case. This is how it works. And so even in the Kabbalistic tree of life, most people pay attention to the two side pillars.

00:35:17.960 We call them, uh, Boaz and Joaquin, right. And Freemasonry, but there's that central pillar, that central pillar actually extends above and below the other two side pillars.

00:35:27.840 And so in some of these Freemasonic tracing boards, you will have these two pillars and then you will have a central pillar. Oftentimes the central pillar is literally breaking through the heavens, or there's a ladder that ascends just behind or just in front of it.

00:35:43.020 And it's actually going to the heavens as well. So this central pillar basically is symbolic of what's referred to, uh, in symbolism as the world axis.

00:35:52.360 And the world axis is this idea that there is an axis or a symbolic pole that extends from the North pole to the pole star. Notice that they both have pole in the name, right?

00:36:03.800 And so this is the point of pivot for all things. This is what ancient peoples thought that this was a spiritual pole or a spiritual axis that everything revolves around because the North star is the center of the wheel of heaven.

00:36:17.260 Basically. It's also been called a millstone. It's been called a bunch of other things, but it's the point of pivot. It's the axle in the middle of this wheel. Right.

00:36:25.480 And so in Freemasonry, you have the two side pillars. One is generally associated with the masculine. One is associated with the feminine. The masculine is associated with the sun. The feminine is associated with the moon.

00:36:39.220 So what's to be said about the third central pillar or post, right? One is solar. One is lunar. The whole key behind this is that the central pillar is actually polar in nature.

00:36:51.920 And so this is an old, old, old, old sort of concept that a lot of ancient cultures, like I'm saying, they had a very strong reverence for. And so their main sky clock literally was Ursa Major and Minor going around the pole star.

00:37:06.140 Today, people's main sky clock would be the path of the sun and the planets, basically, and the constellations that the sun revolves in front of, basically, right?

00:37:15.620 So back to the E. So on these Freemasonic tracing boards, oftentimes E is going to be the very top sort of part of the canvas.

00:37:28.820 There will be an E because actually every single part of the canvas, all the four sides represents a different direction.

00:37:35.360 So it'll be E above, west down below, and then north and south on the sides.

00:37:40.680 E symbolically, basically, it represents east. But when we're talking about it esoterically, when a lot of old occultists and magicians and mystics and things like that, when they refer to the quest for the Orient and this sort of eastward kind of journey, they're not talking about literal east.

00:38:01.980 They're actually talking about the north, that actually beyond the north, almost hyperborean, you know, in concept, that literally east has been used in some esoteric circles to represent the north, basically, and the north star.

00:38:17.100 So it would make sense that the central pillar that has this relationship with the north pole and pole star, the north star, actually is indicated as east.

00:38:26.020 And so there's a lot of examples of this, but east is sort of a code for north, funny enough.

00:38:31.980 Mario, what do you make of it when these symbols appear in dreams?

00:38:38.000 Especially when they are seemingly pointing at what we now understand as their meaning.

00:38:47.080 Right. You know, I think using symbolism to, your study of symbolism to analyze your dreams is super potent. It's super powerful.

00:38:56.120 There's a lot you can take away from that. And I actually do dream analysis for some people. People have reached out and asked, can I decode their dreams? And I've done sessions with people to do that, amongst other things.

00:39:07.760 So I think there's a lot you can take away. What I will say, though, is that you can get lost in the decoding and you can kind of get lost in analyzing your own sort of experience symbolically.

00:39:20.220 And so that's one thing that I do kind of I wouldn't say necessarily warn people of, but I just let them know that, you know, because sometimes some people I don't know if you guys know anyone like this.

00:39:30.680 I know several people like this where they're so open. It's almost like a camera whose aperture is wide open to allow in a lot of light.

00:39:38.660 But you're so open that you're picking up this license plate and that bird and this tree and this thing and that thing, that billboard, this ad, whatever.

00:39:48.680 And I think that you could almost get lost in the sauce with all of that stuff.

00:39:52.660 So I think you need to almost have healthy discernment when you're decoding your own dreams or when you're actually decoding your own experience.

00:39:58.500 Yeah, I had a weird one when I was young that's always stuck with me.

00:40:02.000 I knew he was going to be waiting for it. It's very like there's not a lot of symbols in it.

00:40:09.280 It's kind of short, but I'm climbing a ladder into the clouds and my father is at the bottom of it and he's like sobbing.

00:40:16.260 And I'm a child. When I had this dream, I was like six and it just never left me.

00:40:20.540 And as I'm climbing up it, I have like a sort of a golden glow to me.

00:40:25.440 And and then like, I don't know if it was a separate dream.

00:40:28.880 I don't know if it was the same night or if it was in the future.

00:40:32.560 I kind of used to remember this is happening happening like, you know, on another night.

00:40:37.600 I had a dream that I climbed back down the ladder, but I was like I had lost that golden shimmer.

00:40:43.180 And and for whatever reason that that dream is just like stuck with me forever.

00:40:46.940 And then, of course, as I get older and you learn concepts of like Jacob's ladder and how the this symbolically represents.

00:40:55.100 It's what would you call it? Like, you know, there's there's these layers that you have to go inward to to gain this.

00:41:02.120 Like you were saying, this sort of hidden medicine, but it's also kind of steps to enlightenment is is it's also interchangeable with that sort of a concept.

00:41:12.400 So each rung of the ladder signifies another sort of layer of enlightenment that an individual could achieve.

00:41:19.660 And and so that always fascinated me, you know, and I it's not I don't think it is one of those things that you just like understand.

00:41:27.620 But what it did do to me was it made me go like, wow, it's really hard to describe that as anything other than Jacob's ladder.

00:41:36.080 And and these symbols like, you know, you're talking about how they're they're metaphysical in their nature.

00:41:42.020 And it's like this thing is is given to me this unbelievably dense concept is given to a six year old and I would spend like many years trying to understand it.

00:41:53.220 And then I would find that like this is actually an important symbol in all the things that I became fascinated with.

00:41:58.420 It's just it's very strange to me because you would have a hard time.

00:42:02.800 You know, some people would go, oh, this is your higher self.

00:42:04.860 Or you might say these are dreams and visions from God, but it's like they're they're they feel divinely inspired.

00:42:11.000 And and it's it's very hard for me to say that I just got some external stimuli as a six year old that then, you know, caused me to dream up Jacob's ladder later on that night.

00:42:24.540 Very, very bizarre.

00:42:26.460 That's so interesting.

00:42:27.520 I love that.

00:42:28.360 Thank you for sharing.

00:42:29.080 Um, so there's this concept called the great triad and that basically a lot of people have written about this over the years and a lot of this is like ancient metaphysics metaphysics basically but pretty much that there is a triune relationship between heaven earth and man that symbolically we are the bridge unto ourselves between heaven and earth all that is above with all that is below.

00:42:52.120 And so there's so many myths that relate to this.

00:42:54.740 So as an example, you know, you're climbing up the ladder jack and the beanstalk climbing up that stock right to the heavens climbing up a mountain right you're basically getting closer to God closer to the heavens right so symbolically what I put together um the and the way I like to frame it is that the journey to the center of self is the journey upward that that is sort of how it works.

00:43:17.620 So know thyself and you'll know the universe so when you get closer to the still point within and you do this by the way in my opinion by being present and so we live in a world where so many people they're always thinking about the future especially especially in the conspiratorial realm everyone's always talking about what's happening next week what's happening next month what does this mean I don't know if you heard but in November we're going to get lasered by

00:43:41.140 Mario I don't know Mario I don't know if you heard but in September it's going to be the rapture so I don't even know why we're doing this show

00:43:47.780 Mario this show this show might not even air before we get raptured so

00:43:53.000 exactly exactly so um even just with technology the way it is the 24-hour news cycle you know social media things like that people are always thinking ahead

00:44:04.060 or there's a lot of people too that are always thinking about the past and they're longing for

00:44:08.740 something you know uh they're hoping to restore something that you know is no longer here

00:44:13.320 and so I heard this quote and it kind of changed my life and so I repeat it often but if you find yourself

00:44:18.620 constantly thinking about the future you're going to be prone to anxiety if you find yourself constantly

00:44:23.720 thinking about the past you're going to be prone to depression but if you find yourself in the present

00:44:28.280 moment you're going to be prone to peace and that's really where you want to be you want to be in the

00:44:32.400 present moment and so it's about being not becoming and just to bring it back to the wheel metaphor

00:44:39.060 you know um excuse me to uh talk about the wheel as a metaphor and how it relates to this axis or axle

00:44:45.900 you know we're kind of all like our own wheel I mentioned the wheel of heaven the pole star being the center of the

00:44:51.960 wheel of heaven um the center of any system is the transcendental point of that system basically including self

00:44:58.360 right so again know thyself even of the universe there's a golden thread or golden cord that symbolically

00:45:03.940 exists between the center of self and the center of the universe right and so when you are operating

00:45:09.800 on the outside of your wheel you're basically operating outside of self and so the outside of

00:45:16.020 the wheel symbolically is related to multiplicity it's related to division it's related to uh more of

00:45:22.880 the physical world I would say and so it's no different than like a pie chart right you have a pie chart

00:45:28.360 wedges right each wedge is a separate compartment that's the outside of the wheel now where do all

00:45:34.280 of the wedges converge or where do all of the spokes of the wheel converge in the middle center so the

00:45:40.100 center is principal unity right and so this is where the reconciliation of opposites occurred

00:45:45.820 let me froze up a little bit he was cooking too yeah uh all right let's give him a second um

00:45:56.100 actually david while he's while he's uh you want to kick out the pores or what are we doing

00:46:03.260 you know what it was we have to kick out these poor people and so we have you got to do it software 1.00

00:46:10.560 that that that actually freezes our guests when it's time to do that uh guys you've been listening

00:46:16.440 uh for far too long and it's very off-putting and i have to rectify that if you want to continue

00:46:21.700 listening and prove to us that you have money patreon.com forward slash nephilim death squad

00:46:25.780 is the way to do it and uh yeah before we kick him out we had a super chat a while ago but it

00:46:30.500 didn't pertain i don't know what this guy's talking about but trump being president 45 and 47 4 plus 5

00:46:34.640 equals 9 4 plus 7 equals 11 trump is a president 9 11 9 11 thanks 9 11 symbolism with uh with donald trump

00:46:42.480 um and it was even like a weird correspondence from him around 9 11 uh when he was like not really

00:46:47.460 reporting on it but they were like donald trump what do you think about this national disaster and

00:46:52.500 he was like well you know and he gave his whole thing on it and it was weird there was a couple of

00:46:56.020 strange uh strange moments in there thank you was that matthew was that his name was matthew

00:47:00.020 he matt yeah thanks matt it's short for matthew thank you man we're gonna kick the poor down let's

00:47:06.240 continue this episode how dare they so where were you where were you matt i mean uh mario before you got

00:47:11.420 uh all jammed up with the technologies there yeah yeah no i was just talking about the center of the

00:47:16.780 wheel yes and so uh you get to the center of the wheel that you do this by being present when you

00:47:22.360 get to the center of the wheel you become what's referred to as the unmoved mover or the prime

00:47:26.900 mover basically he who causes the wheel to turn without actually turning themselves so you become

00:47:34.160 the axis when you become centered when you become present and this was the goal by the way of every

00:47:39.900 single king and lord and emperor they all encode this exact same symbolism they wanted to rule from

00:47:44.680 their center because they knew by uh doing so this is how you connect heaven and earth symbolically

00:47:50.400 right and so you're at the most balanced part of the wheel when you get to the center of the wheel

00:47:55.320 so now chaos can unfurl around you right can be literally swirling around you and you are sort of

00:48:03.800 the eye of the storm you know you're calm cool and collected and this is actually funny enough this is

00:48:09.640 completely related to uh the chariot card which i know we kind of talked about briefly you know uh on

00:48:15.440 x and so the chariot card corresponds with cancer i if i haven't said it in this episode that keystone

00:48:23.020 in the royal arch in royal arch freemasonry oftentimes has the cancer glyph on it the cancer glyph it looks

00:48:30.080 like the 69 symbol right and so it um it's rotating and so it's rotating counterclockwise what do you know

00:48:37.240 it's rotating the same way the fixed stars revolve around the north star the reason why this counter

00:48:43.940 clockwise rotation is important and interesting is because there's a difference between a clockwise

00:48:49.840 rotation and a counterclockwise rotation the clockwise rotation is actually more expansive it's

00:48:56.040 kind of like the rays of the sun the counterclockwise rotation is actually more compressive it actually

00:49:02.040 brings you closer to what the center so the counterclockwise rotation is polar the counter uh

00:49:08.740 yeah counterclockwise polar clockwise is more solar essentially right and so you'll notice if you're

00:49:15.380 looking at this card here look at the body of the chariot it looks like a cubic stone and that's part of the

00:49:22.820 lore and tradition with this card it is a cubic stone and notice that the two sphinxes in front of the

00:49:29.220 chariot they're not even tied to the chariot itself and they're seated as well right they're just sitting

00:49:36.400 down so basically what we're looking at is a chariot that's not moving it's not actually going anywhere

00:49:42.780 this is one of the esoteric kind of secrets with this card is that the charioteer is actually this

00:49:50.000 unmoved mover that i'm speaking of he is in the symbolic center of a wheel but he himself is not

00:49:56.460 moving and so the tarot has a way of giving you basically kind of like paradoxical information

00:50:01.740 you would think that the chariot should be moving but when you actually look at it he's not moving

00:50:07.100 so he's in this body as well surrounded by these four posts those four posts can be viewed as the

00:50:13.760 four cardinal directions the four fixed signs of astrology there's a few different ways of looking at

00:50:18.420 that we have this idea of earth having four pillars or having four corners or something along those

00:50:23.620 lines he's in between those four pillars or posts and then you have this canopy of stars just above

00:50:30.180 him right and so he is sort of the fifth post right and so as an example when you're dealing with the

00:50:37.180 cross you have the four arms of the cross emanating from the center you have four quadrants right

00:50:43.720 the cross has a symbolic relationship with the number five because that is the point in the middle

00:50:49.620 right um this is super super significant and and really really interesting because every system

00:50:56.760 like i'm saying has this hidden relationship with the center and so a lot of kings wanted to be in the

00:51:03.600 middle of their kingdom and they believe that they ruled from this the center of this great cross

00:51:08.440 right and so they represent the fifth element so when we're dealing with the four we're dealing

00:51:13.600 with the four basic elements sometimes the charioteer he's actually being pulled by four horses

00:51:18.780 those four horses represent the four elements air water fire and earth he represents the fifth

00:51:25.200 element he actually represents spirit right and so all of the elements actually came from that fifth

00:51:30.520 element and so he's sort of at the top of the hierarchy in that little system because he is the

00:51:35.400 center post he's the fifth post notice as well he has a crown and on top of that crown he has a star

00:51:43.180 that's the north star it's the pole star and so a lot of kings back in the day they identified more

00:51:49.740 with the pole star than they did with the sun nowadays over time they identify more with the sun

00:51:55.840 than they do with the pole star and so do you think that that's a a purposeful obfuscation it seems like

00:52:02.020 um it's not not an inversion but it feels like it's a departure from what people previously understood

00:52:07.740 absolutely yeah yeah um i think it's both i think that there's intentional obfuscation but i also

00:52:14.360 think that this is a kind of a natural um sort of uh trend basically and so the idea basically behind

00:52:21.180 it is that man has fallen from grace you know that's my opinion i look at the modern world and

00:52:26.180 a lot of things and i can just i see it all over the place and so people have become less and less

00:52:30.980 spiritual less and less centered um so we're in a dark age personally that's my opinion and so in 0.75

00:52:37.520 the golden age people had more of this sort of centeredness to them and they had more of this

00:52:42.280 reverence for the north star so when man fell from their center symbolically uh everything shifted as

00:52:50.360 well so there is that great shift from the pole star to solar symbolism so from polar symbolism to

00:52:55.780 solar symbolism and so then you have heliocentrism where the sun is the center of the whole entire

00:53:01.740 system right and so the center has basically shifted so when people talk about pole shift i don't know if

00:53:07.540 you guys have done shows on pole shift or anything like that uh i see it as a symbolic shift actually

00:53:13.380 a symbolic shift from polar symbolism to solar symbolism and there's a ton of information about

00:53:18.920 all of this like uh more than what you would expect in fact if people go to my website i have a pdf

00:53:25.220 uh that you can download for free i have 27 books that get into polar symbolism if people want to

00:53:32.200 learn more about it because it is such a key to unlocking so many different things even as an

00:53:37.240 example there's freemasons who basically said that at the higher echelons of freemasonry it's about polar

00:53:42.660 symbolism that that's the thing well you know where on the site can i find that the very top

00:53:47.980 the very top uh learn more about polar symbolism oh i'm an idiot right there yeah i know words where

00:53:56.760 it says polar symbolism uh the ones where it says polar symbol that that's where you'll find it it's

00:54:00.640 like jeez dude so i'm sorry you mentioned the expression golden age and that's something that

00:54:05.540 keeps on coming up because uh i think it was like blavatsky and alice bailey together you know they're

00:54:10.680 they they're both uh hearkening to 2025 as being the start of this golden age or the age of aquarius

00:54:16.540 and then you have donald trump using this terminology interestingly enough to uh talk about you know what

00:54:24.060 his presidency was supposed to be like or is going to be like or something to that effect that we're

00:54:28.180 going to enter this new golden age which is you know i don't think that that's an accident i'm not

00:54:34.080 trying to attribute more intelligence uh to to donald trump than what is due but i just can't help

00:54:39.900 like when we're dealing with world leaders especially you know those in america um they may

00:54:45.880 have the outward appearance to to somebody who maybe doesn't like them so that they can dismiss them as

00:54:52.360 as an idiot but there's something a deeper level of knowledge do you think that we're moving into

00:54:58.160 some sort of a re-emergence of a golden age you know they talk about the kali yuga coming to an end by

00:55:04.480 fire fascinatingly enough you know we were talking about the the flood and and how the rainbow was

00:55:09.840 the promise to not do that again but fire is is still very much on the table and it seems to be

00:55:14.680 prophesied that that's how you know the the age will end um are we in your opinion going through that

00:55:21.300 is that is that uh spiritual is any part of that literal what do you think yeah um a couple things

00:55:28.340 so one one thing that i've read is that you know what i'm putting a lot of stock into is traditional

00:55:35.860 symbolism and sort of tradition in general actually and so i have way more reverence and respect for

00:55:42.180 people's traditions than i used to you know years ago and basically my school of thought is i've been

00:55:48.420 reading a lot of authors who would call themselves perennialists or traditionalists in my opinion these

00:55:54.600 authors are the best symbologists of the modern world that's how i got into them is by looking through

00:56:00.320 symbolism and seeing names in certain books my sort of favorite books i would look into the authors and

00:56:06.660 eventually i found you know renee guinon he's my favorite symbolic author basically and i've learned

00:56:13.740 so much from him and so much from his sort of colleagues and peers and then also people who sort

00:56:19.540 of followed his work uh after he had passed and so what he says is that you know uh people who are

00:56:26.800 interested in traditionalism they're of course going to refer back to the last golden age what were

00:56:33.100 people doing during the last golden age how did people look at spirituality and relationships and

00:56:37.960 just kind of everything there's actually a lot i think you can learn and take away from that and see

00:56:43.500 how far we've sort of fallen and what he says is that it's only modern western people that really always

00:56:50.860 prioritize the next golden age that they never talk about the last golden age they talk about the

00:56:56.160 return of a golden age and essentially i think he would say that uh a lot of this is kind of like

00:57:03.320 new age propaganda or it's like a new age sort of psyop or whatever because people have been talking

00:57:08.540 about this for a really long time he also does not give much love or credit to like theosophy as an

00:57:14.800 example or madame blavatsky he considers a lot of these people to have distorted a lot of truths

00:57:21.120 from the east right and that as it came further west a lot of things were sort of lost in translation

00:57:26.820 and whatnot and so um so having said that though what comes after the darkest age you know you're

00:57:34.540 gonna start swinging back to something that has more balance something that is um you know um more

00:57:41.040 harmonious you know in many ways so i do see that it feels as though we are starting to swing back a

00:57:47.020 little bit you know and i don't know exactly when this sort of um you know will happen in totality

00:57:53.820 or what that's necessarily going to look like but what he also has said is that the biggest difference

00:58:00.060 between the last golden age and the present dark age that we find ourselves in is literally the return

00:58:07.240 of the center that the big difference is that the center has been lost the center of self the center of

00:58:12.740 the home or family the center of of all things uh your spiritual sort of framework and whatnot

00:58:18.140 and so he's saying that if it's going to return that's what's going to return with it is this

00:58:22.720 reverence and respect for this concept that relates to the center and i just have to say it's so

00:58:28.660 interesting that a lot of people basically use the age of aquarius almost like in a synonymous way

00:58:34.920 with this return of the golden age because aquarius in the tarot corresponds with the star card

00:58:42.740 and everything about that card screams north star and also aquarius the old ruler of um of uh of the

00:58:54.840 sign was saturn saturn used to rule the core uh used to rule aquarius in most people's minds now it's

00:59:00.660 changed uh but if we take this old rulership of saturn saturn was the ruler of the last golden age and

00:59:08.880 people have said that if there's going to be a new golden age there's going to be also this return of

00:59:13.700 saturn now saturn in today's world most people view saturn as this old man right father time

00:59:21.880 long beard scythe uh you know saturn is known for uh eating his children right that's very interesting

00:59:29.140 there's a lot to say about that saturn way way way back when was actually viewed as more feminine

00:59:35.060 and so there was way more of a stronger feminine correspondence and um daniel and i were talking

00:59:41.800 before the stream and i brought up briefly uh the fact that uh jake shields online he was curious about

00:59:49.100 wanting to know more about the jewish saturnian uh black cube sort of symbolism which i've done a ton of

00:59:56.060 research right yeah yeah and so um one thing that he has to understand and i sent him a message about

01:00:03.800 this and and he got back to me and everything but uh saturn to the jews is actually viewed as being

01:00:09.260 feminine it's not masculine and so there's a major major feminine correspondence uh to saturn that 0.83

01:00:15.680 often kind of gets lost uh you know to most people well that's interesting because this this babylon 1.00

01:00:21.960 workings uh you know the the whole jack parsons l ron hubbard in the desert doing uh alistair crowley's

01:00:28.700 uh i forget is it amelantra workings or no maybe that's what he did in the great pyramid whatever it

01:00:33.660 was they're trying to summon into this realm a an entity from uh thelemic you know teachings called

01:00:41.140 babylon and babylon is in their mind supposed to represent this like divine feminine um and then

01:00:48.760 you know lots of people are pointing to a bunch of characters that exist today in the playing

01:00:52.060 field that that they think could be this entity right now it's like possibly sabrina carpenter but

01:00:57.700 still the idea is crazy it's really wild stuff but the idea is that they were working hard to uh

01:01:06.080 summon into this realm uh a an entity that in their mind represented the divine feminine and so

01:01:13.900 it's fascinating that you should say the return of saturn is associated with the golden age and

01:01:19.520 saturn is this you know more divine uh you know more feminine spirit that's that's fascinating

01:01:25.460 yeah no it it really is um it unlocks a whole new level of symbolism and that's one of the things i

01:01:32.400 like to do that i i don't know if a lot of other symbologists do this but symbolic transfer you can

01:01:38.240 have a symbol and if everyone in today's world is saying no this symbol is always based around the sun

01:01:44.220 it's always a man it's always this it's always that that doesn't mean it's always the case you know

01:01:48.300 that there have been whole huge stretches of time where people did not see it that way and so kind

01:01:54.060 of understanding symbolic transfer and that you know symbolism in some ways is kind of organic and

01:01:59.660 so you have to understand that different cultures have their different way of uh seeing things so one

01:02:05.280 of the things i just want to mention about this is i think it's really interesting that um in the bible

01:02:11.580 there are several instances where basically israel is referred to as the bride of god who became unfaithful

01:02:20.800 and who became a harlot or a prostitute with many lovers and literally the bible says that the whore of

01:02:27.260 babylon in several cases is literally israel itself and so this fits in nicely with some other things that

01:02:34.740 i've learned um but they have this idea of it's called the shekinah and it's kind of like the feminine 0.98

01:02:39.720 aspect of the divine basically and uh the sephiroth on the kabbalistic tree of life that saturn

01:02:46.060 corresponds with is uh binah and basically there's a feminine correspondence with that too this great

01:02:52.780 mother sort of dynamic so in my opinion basically if there's a dark mother archetype in the traditional

01:03:00.620 planetary system it is saturn so this dark mother concept i think is very very strong so even as an

01:03:08.260 example you know uh are you guys familiar with the kabba cube in mecca yeah yeah so you have the

01:03:15.020 kabba cube in mecca if you're a muslim you pray towards mecca five times a day right you're praying

01:03:20.760 towards the kabba cube i've read that the kabba in some uh ways translates to house of the mother that

01:03:29.060 it's actually a feminine symbol that cube is a feminine symbol and they actually put a veil on the cube 1.00

01:03:36.400 called a kisswa and so what do we put veils on you know they put veils on women the burka and everything 0.92

01:03:42.260 else but if there's a sign that associates with the veil and associates with bridal symbolism

01:03:47.800 it's actually virgo and so veil symbolism is very very feminine you could even say symbolically

01:03:54.540 the hymen is a symbolic veil there's a lot of things that are symbolic veils but it matches up with

01:04:00.200 that with what being a virgin sort of represents um in today's world virginity mostly means uh physical 0.75

01:04:06.680 sex in the old world virginity just used to mean not being wed not having a partner something along

01:04:13.200 those lines right but even the the kabba cube the black cuban islam is a symbol of the mother and so 0.99

01:04:20.420 i think when you're looking at the black cube and of course there's all of these different installations

01:04:24.620 around the world where you see a black cube you're basically symbolically looking at the abode or

01:04:30.100 you're looking at the dwelling or the womb of saturn as a as a dark mother basically and there's a lot of 0.97

01:04:37.460 older uh dark mother cults right um there's a book called uh cults of the shadow by kenneth grant he gets

01:04:43.960 into a lot of this stuff and so there's traditions called the typhonian tradition basically lines up

01:04:50.040 perfectly with that the draconian tradition kind of lines up with this as well and so to me that's

01:04:55.420 kind of what i see with that symbolism right is that actually saturn for some groups it's a dark

01:05:01.680 feminine symbol i think they kind of did something at this last super bowl so so uh donald trump you

01:05:08.660 know we were talking about the whole golden age thing and now that that that gives me like a little

01:05:12.760 bit more of a puzzle piece um this whole divine feminine aspect being associated with that and being 1.00

01:05:18.960 associated with chronos or saturn um he ended up being like the first sitting president at a super

01:05:25.240 bowl and that super bowl took place in like caesar's superdome and i think it was like the first uh

01:05:31.340 emperor of rome ushered in what was called a golden age so there's like this kind of weird loose

01:05:37.700 connection between like caesar's superdome and this golden age and at the time i was obsessed with the

01:05:43.020 orphic egg and how it was going to because it kept popping up as a symbol in in like these really big

01:05:49.480 events and it was uh you know caesar's superdome from the top down looks like a gigantic egg and you

01:05:56.580 know the egg is is sort of like if you were to reduce its symbolism it would be like uh one uh that

01:06:03.520 that shows you like order out of chaos right so the idea is that there were these chaotic primordial

01:06:08.680 waters this egg existed and and out of the egg either bursted this entity that created um the

01:06:15.360 earth or the earth was created out of like the egg shell just depends on what uh sort of ancient

01:06:20.880 religion you're looking at the vedics have everybody has it and so i'm going okay there's like egg

01:06:25.800 symbolism donald trump is ushering in the golden age he's at caesar's superdome he's the first sitting

01:06:30.780 president at a super bowl i'm expecting something to happen and instead really all we got was divine

01:06:37.580 feminine symbolism and and by that i mean like they had uh i'm gonna butcher her name because i

01:06:42.300 always forget her name but it's like seasons or sozans or she's a rapper her name is s z n i think

01:06:49.300 and when she appears she's like dressed in red and her stage is an inverted triangle which like if 0.99

01:06:57.500 you're looking at them rudimentary it's it's like the upward triangle is masculine the downward triangle

01:07:02.640 is feminine they represent a bunch of different things but that's kind of one aspect of them so i'm

01:07:07.220 like okay there's this divine feminine aspect she's and then they go to a commercial break 0.97

01:07:11.420 and there's a woman who's in flag football and she's wearing the number 77 which is my understanding

01:07:17.260 77 is associated with the divine feminine and she is juking dudes she's you know breaking their 1.00

01:07:22.960 ankles and she's winning she scores the winning touchdown uh in this game of flag football and 1.00

01:07:28.600 it's kind of like this big girl boss moment and i'm going like all right they're just giving us

01:07:33.360 like a lot of like you know uh um what would you say like female empowerment but now knowing that 1.00

01:07:41.660 chronos or saturn is associated with the divine feminine um that starts to make a lot more sense

01:07:48.840 uh and what do you think about that before i go any further yeah no it does make a lot of sense um

01:07:54.520 so what i've learned is that essentially i would say i think it's fairly universal but i'll use the

01:08:02.080 word most for now most esoteric occult groups have a reverence for the goddess or the divine feminine

01:08:10.320 or the dark mother that's what it boils down to you know that exoterically it's more okay to sort of

01:08:17.040 have this relationship with god right christianity there's lots of masculine solar sort of symbolism

01:08:22.040 going on there that's more of an exoteric thing and so people who actually have this reverence for

01:08:27.740 the dark mother or the feminine that's more esoteric and so they're going to be doing it behind 0.99

01:08:32.140 the scenes and actually it's interesting as well because just feminine symbolism in general is more

01:08:37.220 passive so it's more behind the scenes in general right there's even this concept of like the female 1.00

01:08:42.220 illuminati and it's this idea that actually behind all of these men the patriarchy it's actually women

01:08:49.780 running the show and that's always what they've done that's that they'd rather mothers of darkness 0.98

01:08:54.340 yeah yeah yeah yeah totally and so uh so i think that that's interesting and so um related to the

01:09:01.180 number seven though you're absolutely right and so i'm not sure if you guys have ever looked into

01:09:06.360 like thelemic symbolism and their whore of babylon concept and everything else um the whore of babylon

01:09:12.800 she's riding a beast with what seven heads that's the classic sort of thing right their main symbol 1.00

01:09:18.920 in that world for the whore of babylon is the seven pointed star and babylon has seven letters 0.95

01:09:25.820 so they will put babylon within those seven points of the star and then even within the star

01:09:31.740 there's sevens galore there's sevens all over the place right and so i'm going to do a presentation at

01:09:37.500 some point called babylon uh a polar goddess or northern goddess because that's what it all represents

01:09:42.880 that in the northern sky these seven stars of ursa major and minor they were referred to as the

01:09:48.360 seven stars the original seven stars of enlightenment and some people have put forward

01:09:53.000 that the symbolism associated with those seven stars got shifted to the seven planets basically

01:09:58.520 saturn by the way being the seventh planet in fact i just have to say as well ursa major looks like the

01:10:07.020 number seven and so i'm inclined to think i've done a ton of research on this we literally get the shape

01:10:13.260 of the number seven from ursa major oh right fascinating and so ursa major has also been

01:10:19.220 referred to as a dark mother she's referred to as the creatrix and so there's a lot of 0.75

01:10:23.080 correspondences for her you know throughout the years but a lot of different groups have basically

01:10:28.140 said that if there's a dwelling place for the dark mother for this uh sort of goddess of heaven 1.00

01:10:32.960 queen of heaven concept it's in the northern sky and specifically it's ursa major so yeah there's a lot

01:10:38.980 of correspondence and overlap with all these things that's fascinating so that that uh queen of heaven 1.00

01:10:43.760 concept has been coming up a lot i'm actually currently listening to an episode i think of

01:10:47.200 tony merkel's show um about this queen of heaven concept and and uh certainly the the dark aspect

01:10:54.180 associated with it it's also worth noting that within i think the vedic belief system their sort of

01:11:00.520 orphic egg creation mythos uh a a feminine deity a mother deity emerges from the egg gives birth to a 0.79

01:11:10.120 set of twins i believe one of them interestingly enough tries to use the word the spoken word to

01:11:16.380 generate the earth realms uh can't do it lacks the words or something of that nature and then the other

01:11:22.760 one does it alchemically with with the you know these foundational elements that are around them

01:11:27.580 um i always find myself asking this question of like who are these symbols for you know i i think

01:11:37.060 let's say for example of like the denver airport where you're just trying to catch a flight but you're

01:11:43.440 being inundated with all these really like deep esoteric symbols right and it's like haunting and and

01:11:50.000 then music videos is another one like i know we were saying earlier mario that we've like moved away

01:11:54.920 from our understanding it's moved into this more like heliocentric worship model and instead of this

01:12:01.140 this polar one and and um but it doesn't stop you know jay-z or name your favorite artist from filling

01:12:10.500 their music videos with all of this i'd love to get your opinion on like who are these symbols for in

01:12:17.820 particular when they're in art like that not um not a stationary art that's like hung up on your wall

01:12:24.940 or like the cover of michael jackson's thing but like this video that's getting pumped out to the

01:12:29.300 masses who is that for and um and are they even doing it well you know right actually actually pulling

01:12:37.200 it off well do you watch those and you go like that's just he's just putting stuff next to stuff

01:12:42.360 and doesn't really know what he's doing right right i've definitely seen instances of that for sure

01:12:46.700 um i have seen other music videos where i'm like whoa somebody really really really knows what's going

01:12:52.200 on with all of this stuff and been very uh impressed actually with sort of the level of depth you know

01:12:57.780 in that regard um what i will say is that these symbols you know a lot of these you mentioned the

01:13:04.600 orphic egg you know the the symbol of the egg you know these basic symbols like it's imprinted

01:13:11.300 you know uh into us the symbol of the serpent people have used that example many times you know

01:13:15.580 you've never seen a snake before but when you see a snake it kind of does something to you maybe for

01:13:19.520 the first time right um and so i think we're kind of hardwired in many ways to kind of filter through

01:13:26.740 these symbols and filter through this artwork and everything else um but i'll say that i think that

01:13:31.940 these music videos for the most part they're for us but not for our benefit obviously you know and

01:13:38.580 so we live in a very like in my opinion a very fallen degenerate sort of state you know and so

01:13:46.080 these symbols and these videos and and everything else they're pumped out to us uh but the value like

01:13:53.080 the sacred sort of spiritual value is not there you know um just imagine people back in the day

01:13:59.320 i've read about this so much you know you might hear a song and it's actually being performed live

01:14:06.360 like with real people maybe in a church maybe it's celebratory maybe there's some sort of ritualistic

01:14:13.740 aspect to it maybe you only heard this song once a year on a holy day and then that's it nowadays we

01:14:20.060 have recorded music we have music videos you can listen to the same song on repeat forever you know

01:14:24.880 and so and the sacred quality arguably obviously there's musicians who still do it and there's

01:14:30.560 musicians who have that going on that sort of soul or whatever but most of it is not that today

01:14:36.100 most everything today is basically you know it amounts to industry and consumerism and this sort of

01:14:43.720 cookie cutter kind of dynamic where it's all content basically you know so content has basically sort of

01:14:49.720 replaced art in a lot of ways and so um this really gets into this dynamic that i've been like

01:14:55.420 very very interested in as well um called the reign of quantity so there's this book by guanon who i

01:15:01.140 mentioned earlier he wrote it uh it was called the reign of quantity and the signs of the times

01:15:05.100 and the basic premise of his whole entire work of that book is essentially that people in the last

01:15:12.020 golden age during this last tradition sometimes you can refer to this age by the way as the primordial

01:15:17.060 tradition or the polar tradition as well but that during this age everything had meaning everything

01:15:24.000 was intentional everything was sacred there was sort of a value to all aspects of life basically

01:15:29.140 um so people's qualitative life was very high and basically we can use quality as sort of a synonymous

01:15:38.220 word with spiritual that their spiritual life was very high now as man has fallen from grace

01:15:45.220 as man has gone through this transition from polar to solar uh what has replaced qualitative things

01:15:52.980 is what's quantitative so basically now people only concern themselves with quantitative things

01:15:59.900 uh you know money right um when we're dealing with things that are quantitative it's things that you

01:16:05.220 can actually like measure and hold and weigh and all these other things and so this has completely

01:16:11.780 replaced all things qualitative in our life and along with that um he says that we've gone through this

01:16:18.900 process of the solidification of the world where people only see things from a very materialistic sort of

01:16:25.540 perspective and they actually can't reason or logic or think beyond like anything along those lines so we're living in a

01:16:34.660 a like post post-modern world where the reign of quantity has completely taken hold everything is all

01:16:41.780 about this sort of um this content kind of uh concept or idea everything is basically sort of consumerist and uh

01:16:49.620 you know basically fuels industry and uh the reign of quantity fits in very nicely with uh just the monetary system and everything else so now people put a quantitative value on things

01:17:00.660 they don't put a qualitative value on things as much anymore you know that's how most of the world works

01:17:05.940 uh for better or worse you know he also he did not denounce the modern world and he didn't say that you should completely shun it and become a hermit or anything like that

01:17:14.660 he's just explaining sort of the metaphysics behind it of like what's going on in today's world

01:17:19.780 and tech is a huge part of this too you know one weave that i've gotten into recently is just in terms of the reign of quantity and kind of where we're at

01:17:29.140 um you know the first transistor was invented in 1947 1947 was a crazy year by the way

01:17:37.380 yeah we could do a whole entire show on that so we have oh really awesome good yeah it deserves to be put out there you know

01:17:44.740 so there's so many things going on there the world changed uh the u.s changed it was a complete sea change

01:17:51.380 uh but one of the things that happened was the first transistor was invented in 1947 right by the 70s

01:18:00.260 we now had four transistors on a chip the transistor is like the basic thing in a chip that allows it to even

01:18:06.980 work and to compute and all these other things right the modern iphone a random iphone that you can go to

01:18:13.460 the mall and get do you guys want to guess on how many transistors are on the chip in a modern iphone

01:18:20.820 i mean it might even be in the millions but it's like i know it's hundreds of thousands for sure

01:18:24.500 like i've seen the videos where they just zoom in and in and it's freaking incredible i know they

01:18:28.900 don't even look real looks like an ai video that like never ends it they just keep zooming in and

01:18:32.820 there's still like intricacy and detail the further that yeah how many 16 billion what oh my god there's

01:18:40.980 no way i would have guessed 16 billion i was blown away i could not believe it so one transistor being

01:18:48.420 invented in 1947 four in the 70s since then they've added more and more and more and more now the modern

01:18:56.180 iphone has like 16 billion transistors in it that's incredible all right look i gotta ask you because you

01:19:02.340 know we're talking about metaphysical symbols and these deep esoteric meanings and and a lot of what we're

01:19:09.060 touching on uh we on the show to to our best guests um and you know i don't even know if i want to call

01:19:15.860 it educated guests we're inundated with information and then you know we go oh that's overwhelming and

01:19:20.580 then we we regurgitate something horrifying to the people and and probably mislead them but uh i think

01:19:26.020 that a lot of this has to do with um entities that that don't exist within our physical realm maybe

01:19:32.420 they previously did they can't exist here in the physical they do a lot of things like possessing

01:19:37.940 people but a lot of um a lot of influential individuals throughout history would would

01:19:45.140 attribute their great works of art or their great um inspired inventions to literally having been

01:19:52.260 inspired inspired by let's say uh one of our great examples that we like to give here on the show is uh

01:19:58.100 uh is uh what's this guy's name the the carlos santana he is channeling and there's very many

01:20:05.140 channelers in in this conversation he's channeling um metatron which depending on who you talk to it's

01:20:10.900 either an angel or or it's a fallen angel um where do you put the influence of of these spiritual beings

01:20:19.140 or otherwise in this are they strictly um allegory or are these real in your mind um i would say both

01:20:29.540 i think there's instances where uh people have certainly used them allegorically you know and

01:20:35.220 as an example sort of like ignorance of self you know can be viewed as being evil right um so there's

01:20:41.380 a lot to be said about that you know metaphorically about your inner landscape and and how you know you

01:20:46.660 kind of embody all things angelic and demonic um i can't remember who said it but uh it was either

01:20:52.580 jung or or um chris campbell or something or joseph campbell but all of the gods and demons are within

01:20:57.700 you right you know and then this idea of kind of like the kingdom within right or like your body being

01:21:03.060 a temple and all these things like there's a lot to be said about that um but also you cannot deny

01:21:10.340 the influence of these things uh whatever they might be however you might want to talk about it you

01:21:15.460 know in in reality and i'll say the biggest sort of wake-up call for me with all of this is i spent

01:21:20.820 years looking at the night sky with night vision goggles i don't know if you guys have ever had

01:21:25.940 the privilege of doing that no what what did you uh what did you what did you see were you using

01:21:32.500 glass what were you doing bro no no no i do want to see those though for sure um no years and years ago

01:21:39.220 i heard a guy on coast to coast i believe his name was uh ed grimsley and he basically said that he was

01:21:45.700 in the military and he got issued a pair of military grade night vision goggles he was in the desert he

01:21:52.100 just happened to look up with the goggles and he saw stuff and then he kind of made it a routine to

01:21:58.260 look up whenever he had these goggles around and at the time that was my shit i wanted to know everything 0.79

01:22:03.700 about ets and ufos and all that kind of stuff right and so i bought a really good pair of military

01:22:10.020 grade night vision goggles at the time they were no they're not exactly i took out a credit card just

01:22:15.620 to buy them by the way that is awesome i love that yeah and so and i paid even two to have a premium

01:22:21.700 chip so uh the place i went through you can have like a specific chip put in that actually like ups the

01:22:28.100 gain a little bit whatever and so i bought them and the first night i got them in the mail i just

01:22:36.020 looked out my window and i saw a what they call it a tr3b and it's like a triangular craft right yes 0.99

01:22:43.780 i saw a tr3b zoom right past my place and i was like holy shit i'm like i just barely started looking 0.95

01:22:51.300 you know like two minutes ago and i'm already seeing stuff and this was in the city i was living

01:22:55.940 in portland oregon at the time and portland is kind of a hotbed and the pacific northwest is actually

01:23:01.220 kind of like a cryptid ufology kind of hotbed sort of thing and so um i just started looking you know

01:23:08.020 with these goggles and i saw the tr3b several more times i had friends that also saw it as well uh lots

01:23:15.460 of lights lots of orbs i had interactions with orbs as well that like literally came towards us and

01:23:21.380 everything else and then once i started seeing stuff with the night vision i started having

01:23:26.820 naked eye sightings that was kind of a trippy thing as well not even trying to see stuff i saw stuff so

01:23:32.420 i almost feel like i kind of crossed some sort of threshold or membrane or something like that

01:23:38.100 you know um but it was trippy because i took out a friend and he's a muslim guy uh to check out the 0.97

01:23:45.860 night sky that was my thing for a number of years hey you want to see something wild let me take you to this

01:23:50.740 park you know at 11 p.m and you'll probably see stuff and so we saw things of course and what i've

01:23:57.460 noticed at least when i was looking at stuff is that i saw way more sightings in the city than i

01:24:02.260 ever did anywhere else i went to the country i went to the woods i went to the beach i went all over the

01:24:06.660 place with these things i never saw that much stuff but the city is where i saw the most exotic weird

01:24:12.580 bizarre stuff all the time and uh basically he was the first person that told me he's like you know

01:24:18.180 what man he's like these might be gin that you're looking at that some of these things look like

01:24:22.500 actual like physical crafts he goes but these other things they look like they're spiritual

01:24:27.940 and sure enough like some of the authors that i like to follow with this stuff they're basically

01:24:32.660 all saying the same thing is like yeah what we're calling ufos today people call demons or fairies or

01:24:38.340 whatever else like way back in the day you know so there is something going on out there uh on that

01:24:44.020 level like absolutely they had a better grasp of the spiritual so we kind of like ridicule them for

01:24:50.100 calling them jinn or demons or something and then we're like but they're aliens and it's like i think

01:24:54.340 we're we're the ones that are stunted in our understanding of these things exactly mario you're

01:24:58.900 saying that you're looking you're looking at this stuff uh through the the night vision goggles and

01:25:03.700 then you're starting to see it with your naked eye do you yeah do you think that that would be

01:25:09.540 considering if this stuff is supernatural or spiritual and in nature you think that you kind

01:25:14.900 of had some sort of hitchhiker effect by just possibly possibly people have said that before i've heard

01:25:21.220 other people mention things along those lines i don't personally i don't know if i felt any different

01:25:27.780 and nobody wants to think that they are being taken for a ride you know um but i'm i'm kind of

01:25:33.540 open to it you know because the wildest thing i ever saw was with my naked eye and you know telling

01:25:40.980 ufo stories is kind of almost like telling dreams you know in a way um sometimes people it just

01:25:46.500 doesn't resonate the way it kind of resonated with you you know i think we probably all have had that

01:25:50.340 feeling yeah but i was uh taking a bus from philadelphia to new york and getting into the city

01:25:56.740 and my uh now wife was was with me and above this building getting into the city i saw we both saw

01:26:05.460 for like 15 or 20 seconds this it almost looked like do you guys know what the bean looks like in

01:26:11.380 chicago no silver bean have you ever seen that downtown culture nancy pull that up yeah just be 1.00

01:26:19.620 careful with the google results uh oh yeah there you go right right i think i know what you're talking

01:26:23.780 about it's like a big um uh uh we lost mario for a second there kicked him off the screen

01:26:29.540 unbelievable what happened hold on okay sorry it's just this big silver looking bean and it's kind of

01:26:38.100 like a tourist attraction thing in chicago yeah and it kind of like that but it was spinning into itself

01:26:44.580 it was spinning into itself it was morphing it was iridescent it was changing colors and it was hovering

01:26:52.020 over this building and like i said we saw for like 15 20 seconds which for ufo sighting that's a long

01:26:57.540 time actually yeah you know and so we could not believe it you're looking at something right yeah

01:27:03.300 yeah yeah and so i that was one of the first times where i saw something and i i had this palpable sort

01:27:10.500 of like feeling that it was definitely more intelligent than us you know that it was doing things that i

01:27:16.900 basically can't comprehend it was completely defying physics you know and so um so that was the

01:27:22.580 weirdest thing i saw but you know that was just with my naked eye without night vision and whatever

01:27:26.820 also i can't quite explain like what's happening that way i just know there's a lot of activity up

01:27:32.260 there that if you're really wanting to see it night vision is a great way to actually see some of that

01:27:36.980 stuff see one of the things that really um backs that up is we learned recently that uh steven greer he's

01:27:44.100 got the ce5 app right and people are using it to sort of summon in ufos it seems that your attention

01:27:49.860 on them can sort of cause like an interaction i think that's kind of what you were describing you

01:27:54.180 experienced and come to find out he's using binaural beats hemi syncing beats uh in order to achieve

01:28:02.580 this like meditative state required to call them into our realm or what have you but uh those same

01:28:09.700 hemi syncing binaural beats are um associated with causing uh out-of-body experiences astral projection

01:28:19.700 and then it spirals into um the poltergeist activity alien abduction phenomenon demonic activity all these

01:28:26.180 different things and the mk ultra program is using uh you know binaural beats to cause a

01:28:35.060 disassociative state that allows for their i don't know patients and whatever test subjects uh to

01:28:42.420 to be able to interact on some level with with some sort of an entity um i think even you know this is

01:28:49.140 kind of hinted at in like stranger things where she's not using like binaural beats necessarily but

01:28:53.540 she is using like float tanks so there's this effort to disassociate so the float tanks is one way because 1.00

01:29:00.420 the water temperature allows you to not feel the differentiation between your skin like where your

01:29:04.420 skin ends and where the water begins because it's the same temperature and also you're floating so

01:29:08.580 you have this feeling of weightlessness that helps you to disassociate from your physical body

01:29:14.420 these binaural beats are doing the same thing and what are they putting people in contact with well

01:29:18.500 like entities over again that's this the the theme that you get um so i do think like yeah there is

01:29:27.060 some physical craft and whether they are ours because whenever you have an alien abduction

01:29:32.420 experience there is often this descriptive of uh military personnel you know science uh scientists

01:29:38.580 things of that nature uh associated with it so there'll be multiple types of beings in the room

01:29:44.980 you know one of those being just regular working humans um in some sort of military capacity

01:29:50.900 so i'm i'm comfortable with the idea that like some of these are are solid they may be ours maybe

01:29:56.020 there's some conversation to be had about reverse engineering although i think nowadays i'm i'm

01:30:01.060 getting more comfortable with that being more of an inaccurate trope that isn't as common as you

01:30:07.940 would imagine um but that a lot of these other things are like organics or spiritual entities they're

01:30:13.620 like light forms that uh are taking the the the form of something that looks solid um but yeah that

01:30:21.060 aliens is a really shitty rebranding that is exclusively due to like hollywood and whatever

01:30:26.980 nasa is feeding us uh and that uh the ancients had a much better handle on this so whether you want

01:30:32.100 to call them jinn or demons or things like that i mean i think you know here on this show it's called

01:30:36.420 nephilim death squad i think that the book of enoch really tells you something there that that this idea

01:30:42.500 that there are these offspring of these fallen angels um and that when they died their spirits didn't

01:30:48.180 ascend they don't go anywhere they're kind of stuck here and that that is the the thing that

01:30:53.060 torments people um when you talk about demonic possession or or what have you so i think that um

01:30:58.420 there's nothing new going on is what i think and and and and we just have to in our infinite wisdom

01:31:05.300 in 2025 slap a label on it that's like when people go like oh we're experiencing like simulation theory

01:31:12.100 and it's like you're you're noticing aspects of our reality that the ancients noticed but those

01:31:18.500 ancients never designed grand theft auto 5 so they didn't it wisdom slap a label on it called simulation

01:31:25.620 theory you know it's it's uh we are not as intelligent as as i mean not that we on this show think we're

01:31:32.180 very intelligent but i'm just saying you know people in general are not not as much as they'd like to

01:31:36.660 believe no i got you man i'm right there with you i i agree with a lot of what you just said there

01:31:42.020 especially the simulation thing that kind of drives me up the wall uh how people sort of

01:31:45.620 present it and think about it and everything else um you know one of the interesting things

01:31:50.660 that i've come across related to just all of this material is that uh there are there's a book actually

01:31:57.780 um called stairway to heaven it's by this guy named peter lavenda you guys probably maybe know who

01:32:02.900 he is not sure i don't know but um he's done a lot of ufology stuff and everything else but he's also

01:32:08.340 like a very serious like occultist uh esoteric guy and he basically compiled this book and he talks

01:32:14.900 about all of the different traditions around the world where people had this idea that in order to

01:32:21.380 astral travel you had to cross through these seven membranes and so he talks about this in the jewish

01:32:26.820 tradition with the uh chariot mysticism uh merkaba mysticism is what it's called he talks about how the

01:32:33.700 buddhists essentially had this very similar sort of thing he talks about uh all these different

01:32:39.060 branches of the esoteric world where they had this idea of seven steps to go to the great beyond and

01:32:46.420 they had this idea that you were going to the northern sky and the interesting thing about that

01:32:51.940 is that if you look at the kabbalistic tree of life there's a hidden sephiroth right there's 10 main

01:32:56.900 sephiroth but there's a hidden 10th or excuse me 11th sephiroth called doth and that sephiroth

01:33:03.780 takes you to the dark side of the tree it's called the tree of death or the klopothic tree

01:33:08.020 and this takes you to the other side basically and this sephiroth corresponds with the north

01:33:13.940 esoteric writers and authors like literally will say that this sephiroth corresponds to the north

01:33:18.820 basically bringing us back to this bridge at the north kind of uh symbolic framework

01:33:24.660 now with mk ultra my understanding is from a friend and researcher uh who's done a lot of

01:33:32.900 information sort of digging with all of this and has her own personal experience with this her name

01:33:37.060 is emily moyer uh she basically one of the things that she talks about all the time is that these mk

01:33:43.540 ultra programs they were to disassociate people as you were saying a lot of times uh i understand that

01:33:50.180 there's a whole branch where they're using the kabbalistic tree as a programming tool basically

01:33:55.220 that's you know and so they would use the tree as a way to sort of uh they knew what compartments

01:34:01.140 they were going to program into somebody or whatever and then how to bring it out with

01:34:04.820 the symbolism associated with that sephiroth and the path and everything else but that one of the

01:34:09.540 things behind this is seems like people have been doing this for a long time

01:34:12.740 how do you get people to astral travel and basically be aware enough to remember what

01:34:20.740 they're seeing on the other side and then bring it back for intelligence purposes

01:34:24.660 yeah they're trying to get them to map it out which which was i mean like that's literally what

01:34:28.900 they're doing is they're sending you know remote viewers astral projectors however you want to

01:34:32.420 describe it uh to this this realm and trying to map it out like it's a physical place which is

01:34:37.940 interesting because that would suggest that it's not just like random ether but that there are there

01:34:43.700 there's locations and locations that are static in in whatever realm this is and so you could visit

01:34:48.660 them and you could map it out that is fascinating yeah can i can ask you something real quick um

01:34:54.660 when you're doing uh your the tower readings as you what is the idea uh behind when you're drawing

01:35:01.300 the cards for a specific person like what uh what's guiding that uh the drawing of the cards

01:35:07.780 because it's not random right you you think something else yeah um you know that's a really

01:35:12.660 good question so you know the idea of a synchronicity right is that it's a meaningful

01:35:18.580 coincidence right and so you're kind of presupposing that the synchronicity is going to do its job

01:35:25.060 you know for me at least in a tarot reading that if we're going to have a conversation or anything sort

01:35:30.100 of happens this kind of relates back to what i was saying about the traditional times where

01:35:33.620 you know everything had meaning everything had intention your dreams had meaning you know all

01:35:37.940 these different types of things whoever you ran into that day you know um even as an example when

01:35:42.580 something bad happens in your day so if i suddenly got a flat tire you know instead of just cursing the

01:35:48.500 heavens symbolically i'm looking at it now and i'm seeing an opportunity there and i'm like okay well

01:35:53.220 this happened for a reason what's the reason behind this you know and so that's it kind of works a

01:35:58.740 similar sort of way when i'm doing tarot readings is like hey you're from halfway around the world

01:36:04.100 we're meeting together right now to talk about whatever it is you might be going through whatever

01:36:08.180 you want insights on i'm presupposing that the cards are going to do their thing in presenting a

01:36:13.620 synchronicity for us and it's so mind-blowing because once you start using the cards um it's crazy

01:36:21.540 how often they really really sync up with whatever that person needs to hear or whatever sort of uh

01:36:27.140 they're going through how much it aligns like perfectly and so i chalk it up to that i know

01:36:33.140 obviously there's people who think you might be working with spirits and things like that i have

01:36:37.300 more of a detached sort of thing with that personally and my personal intention is always

01:36:42.500 just for their highest good and for their spiritual development so i am not somebody that i'm not trying

01:36:48.020 to forecast their future in fact i i tell people some people come to me for reading and they want

01:36:53.140 to know hey am i going to get this job am i going to get back with this guy whatever it might be

01:36:57.460 i tell them i'm like i'm sorry but i'm not that kind of reader you know if you're interested in

01:37:01.220 spiritual development that i can talk about all day long and there's a lot to discuss there but if

01:37:06.900 you just want to know what's going to happen i'm not that kind of reader same thing with astrology

01:37:10.980 you know i think a lot of people use astrology um and they just want to know what's going to happen

01:37:15.860 you know they want to forecast what's coming ahead and i don't personally use it for that i think

01:37:19.940 that there's way better uses for it that are sort of uh more transcendental in a way and kind of more

01:37:25.620 timeless in a way you know so that's my basic thing there are a lot of like um i don't know

01:37:31.300 what you would call them like psychics or something like that but they will they will start by speaking

01:37:36.260 to entities in the spiritual realm like asking them to come forward asking them to do x y and z

01:37:41.940 identify themselves say wow you know and then i've been to a tarot card reader once and there was

01:37:48.260 none of that um you know and i imagine you kind of each individual brings their own whatever baggage

01:37:55.780 uh to the situation and i'm sure if you were doing tarot card readings you could be like

01:38:00.740 you know any spirits want to do it with us you know like that sort of a thing um but that wasn't

01:38:06.580 what i got and so i don't know it's a fascinating and and these these cards are

01:38:12.660 weird i mean they're symbolically metaphysical they're they're dealing with archetypes archetypes that

01:38:17.540 seem to be true about the the nature of reality and uh and some of them resonate with individuals

01:38:23.460 it seems like we're all in some ways um a little bit less unique than we think like i i used to look

01:38:31.540 at numerology and i i would recognize i'm like it does kind of seem to me that dependent upon the day

01:38:38.260 that you were born um you were imbued with certain personality traits and and that that are defined by these

01:38:46.500 numbers and so i'm going like is that the system that we all pass through in order to to get you

01:38:53.060 know because it goes into that like nature versus nurture um concept why you might have several

01:38:59.220 children raised in the same household raised by the same parents who all had similar upbringings but are

01:39:04.420 drastically different and and so that really flies in the face of of nurture right um and then i would

01:39:11.380 look at these numbers and somebody would go oh i don't know you but here's your birthday thing and

01:39:18.100 according to these numbers there's no spirits involved it's more like a google search result

01:39:23.140 like all right well this number is associated with this which might mean that you have this going on

01:39:27.220 and that number is associated with that which might mean you have that going on and in conjunction

01:39:31.060 these things might play like that and you go that's weird because it's accurate

01:39:35.060 yeah you know and so uh you know we we i would consider that we're this is a christian show and

01:39:41.780 i would definitely consider myself a christian i didn't believe in jesus christ for the longest time

01:39:46.100 not that i didn't um not that i believed he wasn't real but that i just i was like it just didn't feel

01:39:54.100 not not at least the the the commercialized westernized kind of version of of christ that we get

01:40:00.580 um that appears in in you know your sitcoms or whatever however they do it uh there's a you

01:40:06.580 know i think la marzulli says we have a truncated version of christianity here in the west and um

01:40:12.100 over time i realized that there certainly is something to this and it ended up you know showing

01:40:18.820 me enough that it garnered my focus and the more that i focus on it the more that it just seems to be

01:40:22.500 this this you know fruit that keeps on giving um but i recognize that within the christian

01:40:29.060 community there is like this uh you know really big hesitation to touch any of these things which

01:40:34.580 in some ways i agree with i do think that we don't understand the spiritual realm at all

01:40:40.500 and i think that's been pretty clear by this conversation just we're in this materialism

01:40:44.660 paradigm and if you don't know the territories that you're getting in um it can be very dangerous

01:40:50.740 right that's like not knowing how to swim and jumping in the ocean and then finding that it's

01:40:54.820 inhabited by all kinds of horrifying creatures and also you're going to drown

01:40:58.020 um so i do think that that that is worth consideration but i think that there are a lot

01:41:05.780 of things and i don't know where the line is you know it's it's uh it's just something that i'm i'm

01:41:10.740 trying to cautiously navigate because i don't know where the line is right right and i've been aware of

01:41:15.460 that too throughout my whole journey with everything because i felt like for a while i really needed to

01:41:21.780 to understand what's happening in the occult world what are all these groups doing what are they

01:41:27.300 talking about what are the symbols that they're putting out there you know so i read a ton of that

01:41:32.420 material and what's happening with black magic i felt like i really needed to understand what was

01:41:36.980 going on with all of that stuff and at no point was i ever interested as an example of performing

01:41:44.180 somebody's ritual even though i had read about all that kind of stuff you know that's just not my style

01:41:48.740 i don't really want to do that because i knew full well i'm like i don't even know what i'm doing

01:41:52.580 here i'm curious and so i feel like i'm going to allow myself to read it um but i'm not going to

01:41:59.060 sort of perform any of these things i'm not going to engage in it on sort of that next level because

01:42:04.100 i don't really know what's happening but i've seen so many people where they jump head in and

01:42:10.100 they're like all about it and i've seen some horror stories about all of that too people not

01:42:15.060 knowing what they're doing and finding themselves in trouble yeah yeah what is what does nancy say

01:42:19.780 here i can't read it from this far away she's asking the type of deck you use oh yeah see there

01:42:25.060 she goes nancy's very nice gotcha um nosy nancy yeah so basically uh i love the rider weight and so

01:42:34.020 that's what i have right here i had it in case there was anything i wanted to show or what have you

01:42:38.420 right this is the uh chariot card and it's a classic deck for a reason and i'll say that when i first

01:42:44.900 started the deck i gravitated to first was the crowley deck the thoth deck and there's a lot of

01:42:50.420 really interesting things about that deck and i actually think that that's the best thing he put out

01:42:55.300 i don't really care for a ton of the other stuff that he did or or works that he did but

01:42:59.540 i was actually a big fan of the the poem about the hooker's farts that was my that's your favorite

01:43:04.740 yeah yeah so um so i'm not like a huge crowley guy um i felt like i needed to understand why do why

01:43:13.300 are people so attracted to him and like what's going on there and so i read a bunch of stuff

01:43:17.780 about you know him being an agent and you know all that kind of stuff too you know um but i i like the

01:43:23.380 deck the deck actually has symbolic value there's a few things in there that are very very intriguing

01:43:28.180 but the older i get and the more i study the more i favor the rider weight deck actually the

01:43:33.940 rider weight deck is like this perfect blend of like updating the symbolism but the artwork is beautiful

01:43:40.580 and there's just like a lot going on with some of these cards that you wouldn't even you don't see

01:43:46.420 it the first year or two that you're even looking at the cards but you might see it the third or fourth

01:43:50.660 year or ten years down the road or whatever so i feel like it can kind of be uh it's a tricky deck

01:43:55.860 in a way um in that the depth is almost um deeper than what you think then you when you first initially

01:44:02.660 see a card so that is one of my favorite decks for sure i might even say it's my favorite deck now

01:44:06.900 actually over the thought deck that's interesting you know that that tarot card reader um he he

01:44:13.700 basically just told me that uh um i was in an occupation where i was like speaking a lot

01:44:21.620 and i was at the time i had started a a show and it was like in its infancy and i go yeah and she and

01:44:28.740 he's like well you do like one thing you've got like your foot in both worlds where you're like you

01:44:33.060 want to do that thing but you're doing this other thing and the other thing's making you money right

01:44:37.300 now um and he's like i think if you keep doing the the thing that you want to do it's going to work

01:44:42.660 out and he's like i think you'll end up uh being successful and you're probably gonna like end up

01:44:48.340 traveling a lot and all that kind of stuff and meanwhile right now i'm i'm traveling uh for that

01:44:54.180 purpose i'm i'm you know two hours away by plane uh at chops studios if you're in meadow on new jersey

01:45:01.140 chop studios um so but you know it's it's interesting because it doesn't i don't know

01:45:07.300 like i get people hesitation and and even like you know i i go back and forth like was that the

01:45:15.300 right thing to do i i was in new orleans new orleans is a very dark place and and even that night you

01:45:21.060 know i had something banging on my window i'm on the on the third floor of a hotel with no balcony

01:45:27.540 something's banging on my window at the stroke of midnight wow and then i try to go back to sleep

01:45:33.540 because i think it's in my head next thing you know it's banging on the door and my wife sits up 1.00

01:45:38.100 at a bed and i go to the door and i look through the people nobody's there i go i'm not gonna open

01:45:43.140 the door uh so we just sit down and we watch because we're so creeped out we're just like i guess i'm

01:45:48.100 just gonna watch you know some shows now uh until we can go back to sleep but you know the whole thing

01:45:53.700 was a strange experience and you know what it is it's like um where christians even even the more

01:46:01.940 like skeptical christians about like all all these things are correct is that we don't understand and

01:46:08.180 this has been pretty evident to me the the many ways in which we will um uh what's what's the word i'm

01:46:16.100 looking for uh uh not concede we will give permission to we will consent to a thing interacting

01:46:23.940 with us i think there are in the spiritual realm that are constantly petitioning us to to gain some

01:46:28.980 rights to us to interact with us in some way um and i think we we hand over those rights and consents

01:46:36.100 in a million little tiny ways that we don't realize daily and and then before you know it you

01:46:41.700 know you're having this like i want to ask you when you were uh using these night vision goggles

01:46:46.820 and you started to see these things and there is some viewer it's almost like schrodinger's ufo right

01:46:52.180 like the act of observation determines whether or not this thing there's like some quantum

01:46:56.260 thing happening um determines whether or not it interacts with you uh did you start to have

01:47:03.140 was there anything in your in your life outside of looking at the sky with you know night vision

01:47:08.420 that started to get strange because oftentimes they'll be associated with this like yeah then

01:47:13.460 there was poltergeist activity then there was weird nightmares and sleep paralysis then there was just

01:47:17.460 just not even it doesn't have to be negative but like high strangeness starts happening right right

01:47:23.380 you know i can't say for myself that there was anything like that necessarily uh there were a few

01:47:29.860 things kind of like that with my wife and so uh that was interesting i had never considered that maybe

01:47:36.900 that they are related in some way shape or form and um you know i'll be completely honest with you

01:47:42.580 guys too when it comes to this dynamic spirits and these types of interactions or whatever i feel like

01:47:47.940 i'm really dense in a lot of ways and so i'm like really dense and so something may happen and someone

01:47:53.780 might be quick to be like oh dude that's because of this or that or whatever and i'm more i try and

01:47:57.860 rationalize it away or something along those lines right and so i can't say i was personally affected

01:48:02.980 with anything uh like that but i'll say that what happened while actually viewing these things

01:48:08.980 that was really potent that kind of uh feeling as though something was really happening that was

01:48:14.900 significant or very very eerie you know we kind of got shaken to our core a couple of times

01:48:20.020 you know where we see something really significant and then we're like okay i think

01:48:23.860 we're good now like we we saw we got more than what we bargained for yeah it's time to go home now

01:48:28.580 you know it's one in the morning and we just got tripped out by this thing yeah one of the things

01:48:34.500 the story that i always think of is we were just at a school in portland oregon late at night nobody

01:48:40.580 was around and i used to have um a laser as well like a really powerful green laser so anytime i saw

01:48:47.860 anything in the sky i would point my laser at it of course you know i'm not going to point it at

01:48:53.140 anything i think could be a helicopter or a plane or something right right but i would point it at

01:48:58.900 things and i saw up in the sky a ball of light with a smaller ball of light and these two lights were

01:49:07.380 kind of dancing around each other it almost seemed like a dog fight or something like that but they

01:49:11.780 were definitely interacting with each other and i pointed my laser in their direction and as soon as i

01:49:18.340 did that i actually hit one and so you can see when the laser hits something in the sky it like

01:49:23.220 lights up it illuminates right yeah and so it lit up and as soon as that happened the dense ball of

01:49:29.300 light completely took off and then the uh larger ball of light which kind of looked a little fuzzy

01:49:36.020 it came down it started sweeping the horizon and there is these trees and i would estimate that

01:49:41.940 these trees were maybe like a hundred yards away or something like that uh maybe less and i thought full

01:49:47.700 well that it was just going to disappear behind these trees it did not disappear behind those

01:49:52.260 trees it actually started coming towards us and i'm following it with my laser the whole entire time

01:49:57.540 so my wife could see exactly like what it was doing basically and it basically went into the schoolyard

01:50:05.060 and started hovering over the ground it basically came right towards us and then literally went through us

01:50:10.900 you know so yeah so it was really bizarre to see it all the way up in the sky and then actually have

01:50:16.180 this sort of interaction and i don't know any other way of putting it but when it went through

01:50:20.500 us i just got the chills you know it gave me the chills it kind of gave me the goosebumps i got freaked

01:50:24.900 out um you know and that's when we kind of like decided to go so you got a good look at it i mean this

01:50:31.620 is just like a ball a dense ball of light it was basically just an orb yeah it was an orb fuzzy ball

01:50:37.060 of light kind of thing yeah that's so there's no it didn't feel like there was no uh sense of any like

01:50:42.740 real material construction to it it was just kind of like illuminated you know so and was there any

01:50:48.740 sense of like a like a atmospheric disturbance or anything like that like wind or a whooshing or

01:50:54.340 anything as it passed by you or through you or no i didn't detect anything like that everything i

01:51:00.500 felt was like internal basically you know yeah so you know you gotta wonder it's like okay so then

01:51:06.660 well yeah what the hell is that it literally went through us so this phenomenon is like uh it's

01:51:12.740 crazy because it's like people that are dabbling with ufos people that are dabbling with night vision

01:51:17.220 goggles we had a guy uh colin i was just speaking with colin again uh dabbling with psychedelics and

01:51:24.100 eventually ends up contacting entities over and over and over again and then that sort of shifts away

01:51:30.180 and now his new thing is uh these orbs the same sort of thing but like in his house going through

01:51:35.780 him his his girlfriend as well so it's like i don't know where to put this i don't know where to

01:51:41.540 put that phenomenon because it shows up consistently over at least three different types of avenues three

01:51:48.660 like the three the night vision goggles are a brand new one to me so i'm like very happy about

01:51:54.180 my favorite though is when they look at the the orbs and like every once in a while you'll get some

01:51:59.700 picture and you're like there's a face in that orb dog yeah like and then the people basically saying

01:52:04.500 it's it's like a reductive version that doesn't require a ton of energy for these things to inhabit

01:52:09.940 and travel around and you know you imagine it takes a lot of energy to manifest um and then it doesn't

01:52:15.780 take so much energy to manifest as just an or nancy nancy's pulling up comments she's got a question

01:52:20.500 we have to we have to do uh to wrap it up though in a minute because i don't want david to have to

01:52:24.740 pay another another 90 another 90 dollars um and maybe if you mention their name again they'll let

01:52:31.700 you hang up in matawan new jersey what what is she asking over here he she wants to know if uh mario

01:52:39.060 has tried ce5 uh i don't know what that is is it close encounter five i think don't tell them

01:52:46.180 even greer thing it's he's basically he's gonna do it he's gonna do it don't tell him

01:52:50.340 that they're using to summon in uh so basically it just expedites the process of of almost exactly

01:52:57.860 what you were doing i see i see gotcha yeah no i've never tried to call them in i've never tried

01:53:03.700 to meditate and and sort of create anything i've always just tried to be an observer with everything

01:53:08.980 yeah well it's interesting because if you start to communicate with them then how do you like close

01:53:13.380 that line of communication you know what i mean like this is the problem you start calling hey come

01:53:17.940 hang out and they're like hey i'm here and you go this is the problem colin had he's he's opened

01:53:23.300 up the door for communication and every time i talk with him like hey were you able to close it he's

01:53:28.020 like no they're still just showing that's not cool yeah yeah i should try asking leave well uh we do

01:53:33.860 have to wrap it up because they're gonna charge me and uh uh but i want to ask you before we get

01:53:38.580 out of here um are you having fun mario oh yeah dude no this is great you guys are super chill to talk

01:53:45.300 too and i'm enjoying the conversation absolutely i mean more so like in in your studies and your

01:53:50.580 pursuits oh did he blank out i think so they cut him off what's that no i said they they have you on

01:54:00.740 like a little timer they're like he's done go ahead you you blanked out but i was i was saying uh that

01:54:06.500 you put out a hefty amount of information on a regular basis and i don't think you do that if like

01:54:13.140 you're not having fun it's a it's it's kind of labor intensive um not only what you're presenting

01:54:18.980 to the public but also the research that you're doing i imagine the answer is like yeah you have

01:54:22.820 to you've got to genuinely love this yep definitely man i mean to be honest with you even more than

01:54:28.660 design or art i feel like i found my true calling i found like i found my purpose you know and so uh

01:54:35.300 it's the gift that keeps on giving once i started putting out symbolic information my awareness of

01:54:41.140 symbolism continued to grow exponentially because of everything people are you know sharing with me

01:54:47.140 the links people send the insights and everything else and so um they say that basically you know back

01:54:53.380 in the day in this golden age every sort of occupation was also a priesthood that there was a sacred

01:54:59.620 aspect to whatever you're doing whether you were a baker or a farmer or a mason or anything and so i

01:55:05.380 feel like me finding symbolism is my equivalent with design is that by pursuing design and art for

01:55:11.140 so long i've now found sort of the priesthood within that field which is basically symbolism

01:55:17.060 metaphysics all that kind of stuff that's very cool very cool well um i'm glad that we finally

01:55:22.420 got to talk i've been a fan of your work for a while continue being a fan i highly recommend

01:55:26.100 everybody go and check it out because it's it's one thing like i said at the top of the show to point

01:55:30.340 and just go like it's the illuminati they're doing it again uh and it's another thing to understand

01:55:36.740 that uh symbols are we didn't even get into we didn't even get into shapes like basic shapes

01:55:45.940 things i wanted to ask him if i wasn't going to get charged uh like even just as simple as why is that

01:55:51.300 why are the backs of the tarot cards yellow because we talked about but you can't tell me now uh you'll

01:55:55.380 have to come back mario um but before we wrap this up let everybody know where they can find

01:56:00.340 your work for sure so symbolicstudies.com once again is uh the best place to find all of my links

01:56:06.580 instagram youtube twitter all that kind of stuff and of course i'd be happy to come back and talk

01:56:11.140 about symbolism i did a whole presentation called illuminati symbolism by the way nice that would be

01:56:16.820 really fun to get into uh but yeah man thanks again for having me thanks for the invite thanks for

01:56:21.780 coming this is a pleasure genuine pleasure um all right top you got to wrap it up they're gonna i

01:56:26.660 know they're gonna chart and they're gonna do it all right guys uh thank you for hanging out again

01:56:31.940 another great episode of nds and i think we're done for this week so we'll see you next time and until

01:56:36.740 then don't forget to obey submit and comply

01:56:40.660 the greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room it is constantly

01:56:48.340 telling us what to believe is real you can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there

01:56:56.020 is to see because they'll be in the face of an explanation and they have

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Nephilim Death Squad - September 21, 2025

219： North Star, Pillars & the Hidden Center w⧸ Symbolic Studies

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