In this episode of the End of Day Podcast, Top Lobster and the rest of the Death Squad are on the road in a new place and a new time, and they need to figure out what to do about it.
00:05:10.220You actually unpack some of these ideas.
00:05:12.520I want to start by asking you how, why, what drove you to the madness of trying to understand the symbolic language that surrounds us here in this earthly realm?
00:05:41.420And so in high school, I discovered Photoshop and I started designing stuff for my friends bands.
00:05:47.760So I was really plugged into like the hardcore metal scene and things like that years ago.
00:05:51.380And so I was doing stuff for the local scene.
00:05:54.860And then after a while, once I started getting clients and everything else and I really started taking design seriously, I really wanted to know some of what I was working with.
00:06:04.360These different icons and colors and whatnot.
00:06:06.880And starting around 2008 is when I began collecting symbolic dictionaries and symbolic reference books and things like that.
00:07:44.860But as I started studying basic symbolism, I realized that it helped me understand mythology, world religions, kind of even a lot of things that are happening in the news and on the world stage and things like that.
00:07:57.780It just seemed to me it was like a perfect fit with my background, with art and everything else and being interested in occultism and conspiracies and truth or stuff.
00:08:05.420It was just a really perfect blend for me to dive into it.
00:08:31.380No, but you mentioned the color yellow and whatever, just the utilization of different colors in your graphic design, how that's helped you.
00:08:40.720And it's a it's part of a journey that I've been on, as I told you before, like looking at frequency, particularly this thing called perfect pitch.
00:08:51.300So before I was a graphic designer, I was a musician.
00:08:54.120And one of the things I was obsessed with, man, maybe 10, 15 years ago was the idea of perfect pitch or relative pitch, meaning you could identify a sound right away.
00:09:06.840But then that kind of bleeds into something called synesthesia, which like Jimi Hendrix is has been known to have.
00:09:14.760And that's just not that's not just his LSD usage, which is actually it's interesting when you consider that the the rabbit holes that we've gone down with this show, the drug usage and then synesthesia here in color.
00:09:27.120But he has a song called Bold is Love, where he's talking about like the color yellow.
00:09:34.380And he's kind of like going through each verse.
00:09:37.240And he's I forget I forget the lyrics to it, but he's basically talking about the characterization of these colors and how it pertains to his life story.
00:10:08.980A lot of the authors that I follow and really respect and admire, they're essentially saying the same thing.
00:10:16.240And so everything symbolic in this realm is actually an emanation of something higher.
00:10:21.940Right. And so the reason why symbolism to me matters is because it encodes information from a higher sort of more divine plane.
00:10:31.540Right. I'm of the opinion just briefly to talk about sort of how I perceive metaphysics and everything.
00:10:38.520Everything emanates from a center and returns back to that same center.
00:10:41.460So everything is sort of a reflection of that original center.
00:10:44.580Right. And so this original sort of seed or this principle unity, you know, some people might call it source.
00:10:50.140And so everything we see around us, you know, whether it be an animal, a raven or a lobster, as an example.
00:10:58.100Right. Whether it be a number, it could be anything, any sort of plant or tree, a rock, you know, any sort of color.
00:11:05.660Or it's a representation of something of a higher order.
00:11:09.200And so so in a way they are all bridges to this divine sort of concept or whatever.
00:11:15.500And this used to be really important to ancient peoples.
00:11:18.760You know, they thought that basically everything in their life had meaning, everything in their life sort of had purpose.
00:11:24.260Right. That everything was sort of ritualistic in a way and sacred in a way.
00:11:28.240And so it made sense for ancient peoples to sort of encode their world or reality with things that actually had sort of intention behind it.
00:11:37.180We've really lost this as modern people.
00:11:39.640We've lost this to a huge, huge, huge degree.
00:11:42.360So now there's a lot of people who think that their life is meaningless.
00:11:45.420Right. And so they kind of don't have orientation.
00:11:50.520They've kind of lost this divine spiritual kind of spark, you know, in a way.
00:11:55.040And so so the study of symbolism really is a study, again, of this higher order.
00:12:01.440And colors are like a basic foundational part of all of this.
00:12:04.840Right. Because everything visual is color based.
00:12:08.160But I'll say one of the interesting things when we're talking about visuals and we're talking about things that are sort of aesthetic visually,
00:12:15.360that actually basically there's two different main societies, two different cultures.
00:12:21.180And we live in an agrarian farming society, basically.
00:12:28.700So people like to kind of establish their land, stick around somewhere and basically have a property, have a place to call their own, have a place to call home.
00:12:38.300This is in contrast to nomadic peoples.
00:12:41.020So nomadic peoples were always traveling.
00:12:43.780And so they had their seasonal migrations and everything else.
00:12:46.180Everyone began, all of humanity began as nomadic people.
00:14:02.060They prefer artwork that unfolds over space.
00:14:04.920And so they prefer actually like architecture, right?
00:14:08.640You know, maybe creating statues or totems, painting, drawing, things like that.
00:14:13.840So that's one big distinction that's actually very, very interesting between these two societies.
00:14:18.920So because we live in a agrarian farming society, we have a stronger preference for all things visual.
00:14:27.100In actuality, though, if we're breaking down just symbolism with sound and audio, that and music, music is closer to spirit than things that are visual, right?
00:14:38.780And that's actually just kind of like, I think everyone sort of almost understands that, right?
00:14:43.080When you hear something, you can be moved and you could have all of these different emotions and everything else.
00:14:48.280You can certainly have that same experience visually.
00:14:50.720But I think there's something about music and sound and poetry that kind of like cuts to the core a little bit more.
00:14:56.540So there are seven colors of the rainbow, right?
00:15:57.360And so the number seven has been viewed as sort of this divine, almost complete number.
00:16:02.300There's a sort of perfection aspect to the number seven.
00:16:06.420And so to me, there's no surprise that there are these seven colors of the rainbow, right?
00:16:10.080Obviously, when you're dealing with the rainbow of that spectrum, you know, you're dealing with colors that are of a higher nature, vibrate on a higher level, and then colors that are of a lower nature, right?
00:16:22.000So at the bottom, you have red, and below that, you have infrared, right?
00:16:26.500And then at the top, you have violet, and then above that, you have ultraviolet, right?
00:16:31.160And so to me, one basic sort of way of looking at the colors is to see how they're actually related to our chakra system and how our root chakra would be red.
00:16:40.840It gets a bit warmer, excuse me, it gets cooler as it goes up, and our center chakra would be green, right?
00:16:48.320And so that would make a lot of sense, our heart chakra being green.
00:16:51.760Green is the color of Earth, Mother Nature.
00:16:53.960It's the color that we see the widest sort of spectrum of.
00:16:58.920That's my understanding is that our eyes can pick up more types of green than any other color, you know, in the rainbow.
00:17:06.300But the lower colors, like when I think of red, and I think of yellow, and I think of orange, there's a reason why you see most of those colors.
00:17:13.720You guys have probably heard this before.
00:17:15.320But you see a lot of those colors with fast food restaurants, right?
00:17:22.280So the Golden Arches, Carl's Jr., Chick-fil-A, etc.
00:17:26.300They're using all of these lower colors.
00:17:29.200And what's been said is that it actually, it kind of promotes people to buy food because it sort of relates to hunger and necessity and things like that.
00:17:38.700And the lower chakras are kind of related to that as well, you know, I would say.
00:17:42.620But each color, really, there's a whole book, and there's a whole sort of like volume of information about each color.
00:17:48.820It just depends on sort of the aspect that you want to talk about, you know, with these colors.
00:17:53.420But even with the colors, just like what you're saying, there's a musical sort of aspect there and everything else.
00:17:59.760So I'm really interested in correspondences.
00:18:02.560So if somebody said, hey, let's talk about the color blue, it's like, you know, then you're talking about water.
00:18:08.380Then you're talking about sky, the sky, right?
00:18:10.680Then you're talking about all these things that are blue, you know, in nature.
00:18:13.840So each color is its own rabbit hole, basically.
00:18:21.700I was just going to say that I found like, I don't know if I'd say in my studies, but in my experience, I have like slight synesthesia, but like the color orange relates to the key of E major for me.
00:18:31.860So that's one sharp, two sharps, meaning like two of the notes are sharpened.
00:18:37.360The color blue, like behind me, a lighter blue specifically would correlate to the key of F major or D minor.
00:18:45.140And then green would be the color, like the color green would be the key of G, which is like one shot.
00:18:51.660I don't know what this has to do with anything, but I know that we perceive music on like a frequency and vibration basis.
00:18:57.780And I know that we also perceive like light color specifically as frequency and vibration.
00:19:02.940So it's like the overlap is, I just, I don't know where to put it, but other people have also expressed the same sort of sentiment toward even the same key signatures.
00:19:13.380But like, as far as they relate to color, which is bizarre to me, like you said, like they correlate certain things and it's like, why?
00:19:21.420Well, I'll just say that this is a sacred science.
00:19:24.640And so that's one of the things that took me a while to sort of realize is that when I first got into symbolism, I think I had a lot of ideas that didn't really, you know, there was no foundation or whatever.
00:19:36.340And then over time, I sort of realized, oh, no, there's actually a scientific quality to all of this stuff that you can actually make sense of it.
00:19:44.720And you can actually sort of understand how it's patterned.
00:19:48.140And, you know, sort of I wouldn't say that there's necessarily rules, but there is a whole established history of symbologists and things like that that have made sense out of all of these different symbols.
00:20:00.860And I think a lot of people, when they get into symbology, a lot of them never make it to that level.
00:20:06.540A lot of them, everything is sort of just kind of, you know, out there and it's almost kind of, you know, it's just like in this murky water or something like that.
00:20:13.720But I'll say that personally, the way I tend to look at everything, the center itself gives you orientation for all things, basically, you know.
00:20:22.700And so the center of self gives you orientation in this world, in my opinion.
00:20:27.660If you have a spiritual leader, that person is sort of like a symbolic center in your life.
00:20:32.000You're looking towards them for direction, for guidance, things like that.
00:20:35.500There's a lot of symbolism that relate to like Christ and other spiritual leaders where they basically are embodying sort of this center for people.
00:20:43.060And so the center, in my opinion, sort of makes sense out of all of it, including colors and numbers and everything else.
00:20:49.360You know, what this is really referring to, if you want to talk about it like on metaphysical terms, is like non-duality.
00:20:56.220Is that non-duality existed, a supreme principle existed, the monad existed, and then everything is sort of an emanation or an expression of that.
00:21:05.280So everything is also a reflection of that as well.
00:21:08.480And so as an example, just to use the color thing.
00:21:11.120So in astrology, the rainbow actually has a huge correspondence with Sagittarius.
00:21:17.520Sagittarius. So Sagittarius is the centaur archer.
00:21:21.740Centaur, even centaur sounds like center, right?
00:21:24.760And so if you have a bow and arrow and you have the arrow pulled and you're aiming for a target, what are you aiming for?
00:21:31.220You're aiming for the center of the target, right?
00:21:33.280The dot in the middle of the bullseye.
00:21:34.760And so the rainbow relates to the bow as well, because we're dealing with the bow.
00:21:39.840The shape of the bow itself relates to the rainbow, right?
00:21:43.800And then you're also dealing with the symbolic arch of the arrow as well.
00:21:49.000When you're shooting it into the sky, right?
00:21:50.760You know, one of the things, it's a crazy thought.
00:21:55.560God ends the world with a flood, sends a rainbow to say that I won't do it this way again.
00:22:01.780But the archery term for missing your mark would be sin.
00:22:05.540And the reason, I mean, you know, some people, we'd argue that it's the Nephilim why God sent the flood.
00:22:10.420And some people argue it was just man's sin.
00:22:12.100But it's kind of interesting that little overlap, the archery term of sin, the archer, the centaur, the rainbow, it's kind of all circling itself.
00:22:37.580You know, so it kind of brought about this new beginning.
00:22:40.080And so the end of the cycle, beginning of another one.
00:22:44.240So the interesting thing about Sagittarius is that there is a myth of a centaur in Greek mythology that Sagittarius is related to very strongly.
00:22:54.240And the myth is of the centaur named Chiron.
00:22:57.680Chiron was born and his parents considered him to be a freak because he was half human, half horse.
00:23:06.140This abandonment is considered to be one of his greatest wounds.
00:23:10.620And so it's like this invisible wound sort of thing.
00:23:13.460And he ended up being adopted by the gods of Olympus.
00:23:17.340And he became a world-renowned healer, essentially, an herbalist and all these other things.
00:23:22.020But he had multiple setbacks in his life, including being abandoned by his folks and including being a centaur.
00:23:30.140So in Greek mythology, centaurs were viewed as being very lusty and brutish and all these other things, right?
00:23:36.100And so he was able to overcome all of these obstacles and basically become what people refer to as the wounded healer.
00:23:43.280And this is sort of the archetype for all shamans and healers and medicine people and things like that, is that oftentimes the greatest healers actually had to transmute major, major wounds that they suffered when they were children, right?
00:23:57.640And so he's known as the wounded healer.
00:24:00.900And it's interesting because the card, the tarot card that corresponds, there you go.
00:24:47.060And vitriol is basically an acronym that each letter of vitriol basically is the first letter of a word, which creates the sentence of seven words.
00:24:58.140And when you break down this sentence or you expand this sentence, it says, visit the interior parts of the earth and you'll find the hidden stone or you'll find the hidden medicine, basically.
00:25:09.120Now, it's not talking about literal earth.
00:25:12.580It's not saying go to the center of earth.
00:25:22.500I think when people are referring to the philosopher's stone, the holy grail, all sorts of other relics, they're actually talking metaphorically.
00:25:31.200They're not saying seek, actually make the philosopher's stone.
00:25:35.000They're saying the philosopher's stone is within.
00:25:38.920And there is this idea of there being seven steps to go to the center of self, basically.
00:25:44.780That is what that Azoth alchemical formula represents with its seven steps.
00:25:51.220Those seven steps also have a correspondence with the seven traditional planets.
00:25:55.020And so there's this old, old, old idea that to get to the center of self, you're going to have to remove a series of veils or you're going to have to cross seven thresholds or to go to the other side or to astral travel that you need to cross seven thresholds or seven membranes or go up a ladder that has seven steps on it.
00:26:16.880You'll see in some Freemasonic tracing boards that sometimes they will show a ladder with seven steps on it, basically, which is pretty much emblematic of this exact same process.
00:26:27.440That's exactly what we've been talking about, the existence of like seven heavens.
00:27:11.580We were talking about the labyrinth recently on a couple of episodes.
00:27:15.520And yeah, people confuse it with the maze or the maze is sort of designed to keep you lost and unable to find the center.
00:27:21.340The labyrinth, if you continue on the path, you will end up in the center.
00:27:25.580You just have to, you know, it's this elongated version of, you know, what instead would be a straight line.
00:27:31.060But, you know, we're talking about this.
00:27:33.360It's almost like the labyrinth draws you into the center.
00:27:37.140I mean, the guest that we were talking with, Kingdom in Context, he was talking about these fortress cities like Jericho, which were designed as a labyrinth in a sort of circle that it's designed to draw the enemy army in.
00:27:52.220But as you go in deeper, it's going to lead you to the center, but it's a complete trap because there is there's one way in, one way out.
00:27:59.180Whereas a maze is like doesn't seem like it really wants you to get to the point.
00:28:03.040And they would have archers stationed all throughout the labyrinth city and then you'd have a real shit time trying to get out.
00:28:10.280I wonder because you started with band t-shirts and things like that, which is interesting because heavy metal bands, they utilize a lot of this symbolism.
00:28:19.480And I wonder if you've gotten to the point now where you recognize when somebody's faking the funk.
00:28:25.200In other words, symbolism has this ability to tell an unbelievable story and with these really deep details, but also archetypes and concepts that are really true to the human experience or true about the nature that we inhabit or the nature of the realm that we inhabit.
00:28:47.540But then there are people who will just go and like, you know, got to get an all seeing eye tattooed on my my arm.
00:28:53.940You know, now I'm Illuminati up. You know what I mean? There you go.
00:28:57.080We have a bunch of goofy stuff. I thought you were pointing to one of the many goofy things we have.
00:29:00.600I'm turning on my hair light. We got a hair light in here. This is a good studio.
00:29:04.200So are you to the point now where, you know, you can see inherently when somebody is like you're placing these symbols within an image, you know, adjacent to each other,
00:29:14.140but they're not really telling a story versus when somebody has done something and you quickly pick up on, wow, this is this is saying something, something profound, something, you know, that is that resonates with our experience.
00:29:26.300Right. Right. Yeah. I'll say that. Absolutely. I've seen it where people are faking the funk for sure.
00:29:32.320You know, you could put Baphomet on a album cover or T-shirt, but do you know really what it sort of represents and means and everything else?
00:29:40.280Um, on the other hand, so I've seen that for sure. On the other hand, though, I've seen a lot of bands where I've been shocked at the depth of what they're putting into their albums,
00:29:52.800because that's my main genre still is I'm a metalhead basically. And so all genres of metal and everything else.
00:29:58.800And I've been blown away at some album covers and T-shirts and everything where I'm like, whoa, is this guy like, you know, he must be a serious occultist or, you know, or his artist is, you know, that's another thing to being a designer.
00:30:12.640I've designed things for clients where they don't know the depth or the sort of intention that I had behind it even, but they just like it aesthetically.
00:30:19.900Yeah. You know, and so that's one thing that I've noticed a lot.
00:30:23.440Hey, let me ask you really quick. Uh, I'm going to pull this up. I know you said you're a metalhead, but, uh, whatever, because we're going to look at this. What do you think about this shit?
00:30:32.780This Michael Jackson was like really wild with it. And it's to the point where like, yeah, somebody like me, most of it is lost on me.
00:30:40.840Oh yeah. I have no idea. I mean, but I know that it's significant. I mean, I, we can pick out a couple of things in here, but I'm sure you'll have a field day looking at this.
00:30:48.480Oh my goodness. Yeah. Mario. Yeah. Right. I mean, this is really, really dense, man. I mean, there's so much going on here.
00:30:58.580You know, one of the things I'll just say right off the top of my head, you know, um, what I'm kind of seeing that I think is interesting is that red star right there, you know, right underneath his eyes, underneath that peacock, you know, notice that it's framed and there's kind of like two cherubim, cherubim angels kind of there. Right.
00:31:16.300Right. And, you know, star symbolism to me is so fascinating. I've gotten really, really into the nature of the star and what it represents.
00:31:23.660And in my opinion, personally, based on my research with the authors, I like to follow, um, there is a sort of star of stars and it's the North star, the pole star, you know, it's the central star in the heavens.
00:31:37.380It's the star that all of the other stars, including the stars of the Zodiac, the constellations of the Zodiac, they all revolve around the North star.
00:31:46.920They all go counterclockwise. That's very significant. I've done so much research on this.
00:31:52.060Um, the reason why it's so important and significant of a star is that ancient peoples basically had a very high reverence for the star more than the sun.
00:32:02.600So this is something that's kind of interesting. If you buy a lot of newer symbolic dictionaries, there's an overemphasis on the sun and solar symbolism, and they'll attribute everything to the sun.
00:32:14.480Basically when you find older works, that is less so the case. And then when you find really, really like the cream of the crop symbologists that exist, uh, that have existed over the last like a hundred, 150 years, uh, they will all acknowledge that there was this massive shift from polar symbolism to solar symbolism.
00:32:35.680And this shift took place over hundreds or thousands of years because we live in a very solarized sort of world where everything is more so about the sun. I post a lot about astrology, but it's a solar based system because we're dealing with the ecliptic, which is the path of the sun.
00:32:54.300And while that wasn't always the case that there were people that didn't give much credit to the sun and people were basically focused on the Northern sky and they were focused actually on the two constellations that go around the pole star, the closest, which is Ursa major and Ursa minor, the big dipper and the little dipper or the great bear and the little bear.
00:33:17.260This, the swastika is, is a represent representation of the, one of the, um, dippers as, as it proceeds to the equinox now.
00:33:24.300No, that's it. It's, uh, it's Ursa major going around the pole star. You're basically looking at, um, each arm of the swastika is looking at Ursa major once a quarter, you know, once a season.
00:33:36.620Right. You know, what's fascinating too about that image of, uh, Michael Jackson's album cover, if that was his album cover, he has his own like Masonic pillars and the archway, the Masonic arch is actually the words dangerous, which is interesting, right?
00:33:49.460It looks like he's got his own like pillar and archway going on.
00:33:55.780You just pointed out something really interesting. And I wonder if this is intentional or not. So notice that the letter right underneath that star is E.
00:34:03.560Yeah. I was thinking about that. It's the fifth letter in the alphabet. And, but I don't really know. I was, I was like trying to find some significance. I know we kind of set out to talk about cancer and it being the cornerstone. Um, and I was hoping for something, but then I was like, wait, I don't know which number.
00:34:17.560I don't know if you're, you're into it, but I feel like you'll have to come back at some point because it's going to be a lot. Yeah. Yeah. For sure.
00:34:25.760So what do you think is going on there with the E?
00:34:27.620Okay. Well, it weaves in perfectly with the Freemasonic stuff. And so notice, as you pointed out that there's basically two pillars. So there's two pillars on the left and the right, and then you have dangerous across.
00:34:39.280And so the apex of the arch that E symbolically would be the keystone. So the keystone is that stone in the middle of the Royal Arch. Right. And that keystone actually corresponds with the Northern sky.
00:34:52.900Right. And there's a lot of, uh, symbolic evidence that this is actually the case, right? Because whenever you have two pillars, symbolically, there's always a third pillar. There's always an implied third pillar basically.
00:35:04.720And so when you see the twin pillars, right. Or you see the twin towers, there's an implied third tower. It's just always the case. This is how it works. And so even in the Kabbalistic tree of life, most people pay attention to the two side pillars.
00:35:17.960We call them, uh, Boaz and Joaquin, right. And Freemasonry, but there's that central pillar, that central pillar actually extends above and below the other two side pillars.
00:35:27.840And so in some of these Freemasonic tracing boards, you will have these two pillars and then you will have a central pillar. Oftentimes the central pillar is literally breaking through the heavens, or there's a ladder that ascends just behind or just in front of it.
00:35:43.020And it's actually going to the heavens as well. So this central pillar basically is symbolic of what's referred to, uh, in symbolism as the world axis.
00:35:52.360And the world axis is this idea that there is an axis or a symbolic pole that extends from the North pole to the pole star. Notice that they both have pole in the name, right?
00:36:03.800And so this is the point of pivot for all things. This is what ancient peoples thought that this was a spiritual pole or a spiritual axis that everything revolves around because the North star is the center of the wheel of heaven.
00:36:17.260Basically. It's also been called a millstone. It's been called a bunch of other things, but it's the point of pivot. It's the axle in the middle of this wheel. Right.
00:36:25.480And so in Freemasonry, you have the two side pillars. One is generally associated with the masculine. One is associated with the feminine. The masculine is associated with the sun. The feminine is associated with the moon.
00:36:39.220So what's to be said about the third central pillar or post, right? One is solar. One is lunar. The whole key behind this is that the central pillar is actually polar in nature.
00:36:51.920And so this is an old, old, old, old sort of concept that a lot of ancient cultures, like I'm saying, they had a very strong reverence for. And so their main sky clock literally was Ursa Major and Minor going around the pole star.
00:37:06.140Today, people's main sky clock would be the path of the sun and the planets, basically, and the constellations that the sun revolves in front of, basically, right?
00:37:15.620So back to the E. So on these Freemasonic tracing boards, oftentimes E is going to be the very top sort of part of the canvas.
00:37:28.820There will be an E because actually every single part of the canvas, all the four sides represents a different direction.
00:37:35.360So it'll be E above, west down below, and then north and south on the sides.
00:37:40.680E symbolically, basically, it represents east. But when we're talking about it esoterically, when a lot of old occultists and magicians and mystics and things like that, when they refer to the quest for the Orient and this sort of eastward kind of journey, they're not talking about literal east.
00:38:01.980They're actually talking about the north, that actually beyond the north, almost hyperborean, you know, in concept, that literally east has been used in some esoteric circles to represent the north, basically, and the north star.
00:38:17.100So it would make sense that the central pillar that has this relationship with the north pole and pole star, the north star, actually is indicated as east.
00:38:26.020And so there's a lot of examples of this, but east is sort of a code for north, funny enough.
00:38:31.980Mario, what do you make of it when these symbols appear in dreams?
00:38:38.000Especially when they are seemingly pointing at what we now understand as their meaning.
00:38:47.080Right. You know, I think using symbolism to, your study of symbolism to analyze your dreams is super potent. It's super powerful.
00:38:56.120There's a lot you can take away from that. And I actually do dream analysis for some people. People have reached out and asked, can I decode their dreams? And I've done sessions with people to do that, amongst other things.
00:39:07.760So I think there's a lot you can take away. What I will say, though, is that you can get lost in the decoding and you can kind of get lost in analyzing your own sort of experience symbolically.
00:39:20.220And so that's one thing that I do kind of I wouldn't say necessarily warn people of, but I just let them know that, you know, because sometimes some people I don't know if you guys know anyone like this.
00:39:30.680I know several people like this where they're so open. It's almost like a camera whose aperture is wide open to allow in a lot of light.
00:39:38.660But you're so open that you're picking up this license plate and that bird and this tree and this thing and that thing, that billboard, this ad, whatever.
00:39:48.680And I think that you could almost get lost in the sauce with all of that stuff.
00:39:52.660So I think you need to almost have healthy discernment when you're decoding your own dreams or when you're actually decoding your own experience.
00:39:58.500Yeah, I had a weird one when I was young that's always stuck with me.
00:40:02.000I knew he was going to be waiting for it. It's very like there's not a lot of symbols in it.
00:40:09.280It's kind of short, but I'm climbing a ladder into the clouds and my father is at the bottom of it and he's like sobbing.
00:40:16.260And I'm a child. When I had this dream, I was like six and it just never left me.
00:40:20.540And as I'm climbing up it, I have like a sort of a golden glow to me.
00:40:25.440And and then like, I don't know if it was a separate dream.
00:40:28.880I don't know if it was the same night or if it was in the future.
00:40:32.560I kind of used to remember this is happening happening like, you know, on another night.
00:40:37.600I had a dream that I climbed back down the ladder, but I was like I had lost that golden shimmer.
00:40:43.180And and for whatever reason that that dream is just like stuck with me forever.
00:40:46.940And then, of course, as I get older and you learn concepts of like Jacob's ladder and how the this symbolically represents.
00:40:55.100It's what would you call it? Like, you know, there's there's these layers that you have to go inward to to gain this.
00:41:02.120Like you were saying, this sort of hidden medicine, but it's also kind of steps to enlightenment is is it's also interchangeable with that sort of a concept.
00:41:12.400So each rung of the ladder signifies another sort of layer of enlightenment that an individual could achieve.
00:41:19.660And and so that always fascinated me, you know, and I it's not I don't think it is one of those things that you just like understand.
00:41:27.620But what it did do to me was it made me go like, wow, it's really hard to describe that as anything other than Jacob's ladder.
00:41:36.080And and these symbols like, you know, you're talking about how they're they're metaphysical in their nature.
00:41:42.020And it's like this thing is is given to me this unbelievably dense concept is given to a six year old and I would spend like many years trying to understand it.
00:41:53.220And then I would find that like this is actually an important symbol in all the things that I became fascinated with.
00:41:58.420It's just it's very strange to me because you would have a hard time.
00:42:02.800You know, some people would go, oh, this is your higher self.
00:42:04.860Or you might say these are dreams and visions from God, but it's like they're they're they feel divinely inspired.
00:42:11.000And and it's it's very hard for me to say that I just got some external stimuli as a six year old that then, you know, caused me to dream up Jacob's ladder later on that night.
00:42:29.080Um, so there's this concept called the great triad and that basically a lot of people have written about this over the years and a lot of this is like ancient metaphysics metaphysics basically but pretty much that there is a triune relationship between heaven earth and man that symbolically we are the bridge unto ourselves between heaven and earth all that is above with all that is below.
00:42:52.120And so there's so many myths that relate to this.
00:42:54.740So as an example, you know, you're climbing up the ladder jack and the beanstalk climbing up that stock right to the heavens climbing up a mountain right you're basically getting closer to God closer to the heavens right so symbolically what I put together um the and the way I like to frame it is that the journey to the center of self is the journey upward that that is sort of how it works.
00:43:17.620So know thyself and you'll know the universe so when you get closer to the still point within and you do this by the way in my opinion by being present and so we live in a world where so many people they're always thinking about the future especially especially in the conspiratorial realm everyone's always talking about what's happening next week what's happening next month what does this mean I don't know if you heard but in November we're going to get lasered by
00:43:41.140Mario I don't know Mario I don't know if you heard but in September it's going to be the rapture so I don't even know why we're doing this show
00:43:47.780Mario this show this show might not even air before we get raptured so
00:43:53.000exactly exactly so um even just with technology the way it is the 24-hour news cycle you know social media things like that people are always thinking ahead
00:44:04.060or there's a lot of people too that are always thinking about the past and they're longing for
00:44:08.740something you know uh they're hoping to restore something that you know is no longer here
00:44:13.320and so I heard this quote and it kind of changed my life and so I repeat it often but if you find yourself
00:44:18.620constantly thinking about the future you're going to be prone to anxiety if you find yourself constantly
00:44:23.720thinking about the past you're going to be prone to depression but if you find yourself in the present
00:44:28.280moment you're going to be prone to peace and that's really where you want to be you want to be in the
00:44:32.400present moment and so it's about being not becoming and just to bring it back to the wheel metaphor
00:44:39.060you know um excuse me to uh talk about the wheel as a metaphor and how it relates to this axis or axle
00:44:45.900you know we're kind of all like our own wheel I mentioned the wheel of heaven the pole star being the center of the
00:44:51.960wheel of heaven um the center of any system is the transcendental point of that system basically including self
00:44:58.360right so again know thyself even of the universe there's a golden thread or golden cord that symbolically
00:45:03.940exists between the center of self and the center of the universe right and so when you are operating
00:45:09.800on the outside of your wheel you're basically operating outside of self and so the outside of
00:45:16.020the wheel symbolically is related to multiplicity it's related to division it's related to uh more of
00:45:22.880the physical world I would say and so it's no different than like a pie chart right you have a pie chart
00:45:28.360wedges right each wedge is a separate compartment that's the outside of the wheel now where do all
00:45:34.280of the wedges converge or where do all of the spokes of the wheel converge in the middle center so the
00:45:40.100center is principal unity right and so this is where the reconciliation of opposites occurred
00:45:45.820let me froze up a little bit he was cooking too yeah uh all right let's give him a second um
00:45:56.100actually david while he's while he's uh you want to kick out the pores or what are we doing
00:46:03.260you know what it was we have to kick out these poor people and so we have you got to do it software
00:46:10.560that that that actually freezes our guests when it's time to do that uh guys you've been listening
00:46:16.440uh for far too long and it's very off-putting and i have to rectify that if you want to continue
00:46:21.700listening and prove to us that you have money patreon.com forward slash nephilim death squad
00:46:25.780is the way to do it and uh yeah before we kick him out we had a super chat a while ago but it
00:46:30.500didn't pertain i don't know what this guy's talking about but trump being president 45 and 47 4 plus 5
00:46:34.640equals 9 4 plus 7 equals 11 trump is a president 9 11 9 11 thanks 9 11 symbolism with uh with donald trump
00:46:42.480um and it was even like a weird correspondence from him around 9 11 uh when he was like not really
00:46:47.460reporting on it but they were like donald trump what do you think about this national disaster and
00:46:52.500he was like well you know and he gave his whole thing on it and it was weird there was a couple of
00:46:56.020strange uh strange moments in there thank you was that matthew was that his name was matthew
00:47:00.020he matt yeah thanks matt it's short for matthew thank you man we're gonna kick the poor down let's
00:47:06.240continue this episode how dare they so where were you where were you matt i mean uh mario before you got
00:47:11.420uh all jammed up with the technologies there yeah yeah no i was just talking about the center of the
00:47:16.780wheel yes and so uh you get to the center of the wheel that you do this by being present when you
00:47:22.360get to the center of the wheel you become what's referred to as the unmoved mover or the prime
00:47:26.900mover basically he who causes the wheel to turn without actually turning themselves so you become
00:47:34.160the axis when you become centered when you become present and this was the goal by the way of every
00:47:39.900single king and lord and emperor they all encode this exact same symbolism they wanted to rule from
00:47:44.680their center because they knew by uh doing so this is how you connect heaven and earth symbolically
00:47:50.400right and so you're at the most balanced part of the wheel when you get to the center of the wheel
00:47:55.320so now chaos can unfurl around you right can be literally swirling around you and you are sort of
00:48:03.800the eye of the storm you know you're calm cool and collected and this is actually funny enough this is
00:48:09.640completely related to uh the chariot card which i know we kind of talked about briefly you know uh on
00:48:15.440x and so the chariot card corresponds with cancer i if i haven't said it in this episode that keystone
00:48:23.020in the royal arch in royal arch freemasonry oftentimes has the cancer glyph on it the cancer glyph it looks
00:48:30.080like the 69 symbol right and so it um it's rotating and so it's rotating counterclockwise what do you know
00:48:37.240it's rotating the same way the fixed stars revolve around the north star the reason why this counter
00:48:43.940clockwise rotation is important and interesting is because there's a difference between a clockwise
00:48:49.840rotation and a counterclockwise rotation the clockwise rotation is actually more expansive it's
00:48:56.040kind of like the rays of the sun the counterclockwise rotation is actually more compressive it actually
00:49:02.040brings you closer to what the center so the counterclockwise rotation is polar the counter uh
00:49:08.740yeah counterclockwise polar clockwise is more solar essentially right and so you'll notice if you're
00:49:15.380looking at this card here look at the body of the chariot it looks like a cubic stone and that's part of the
00:49:22.820lore and tradition with this card it is a cubic stone and notice that the two sphinxes in front of the
00:49:29.220chariot they're not even tied to the chariot itself and they're seated as well right they're just sitting
00:49:36.400down so basically what we're looking at is a chariot that's not moving it's not actually going anywhere
00:49:42.780this is one of the esoteric kind of secrets with this card is that the charioteer is actually this
00:49:50.000unmoved mover that i'm speaking of he is in the symbolic center of a wheel but he himself is not
00:49:56.460moving and so the tarot has a way of giving you basically kind of like paradoxical information
00:50:01.740you would think that the chariot should be moving but when you actually look at it he's not moving
00:50:07.100so he's in this body as well surrounded by these four posts those four posts can be viewed as the
00:50:13.760four cardinal directions the four fixed signs of astrology there's a few different ways of looking at
00:50:18.420that we have this idea of earth having four pillars or having four corners or something along those
00:50:23.620lines he's in between those four pillars or posts and then you have this canopy of stars just above
00:50:30.180him right and so he is sort of the fifth post right and so as an example when you're dealing with the
00:50:37.180cross you have the four arms of the cross emanating from the center you have four quadrants right
00:50:43.720the cross has a symbolic relationship with the number five because that is the point in the middle
00:50:49.620right um this is super super significant and and really really interesting because every system
00:50:56.760like i'm saying has this hidden relationship with the center and so a lot of kings wanted to be in the
00:51:03.600middle of their kingdom and they believe that they ruled from this the center of this great cross
00:51:08.440right and so they represent the fifth element so when we're dealing with the four we're dealing
00:51:13.600with the four basic elements sometimes the charioteer he's actually being pulled by four horses
00:51:18.780those four horses represent the four elements air water fire and earth he represents the fifth
00:51:25.200element he actually represents spirit right and so all of the elements actually came from that fifth
00:51:30.520element and so he's sort of at the top of the hierarchy in that little system because he is the
00:51:35.400center post he's the fifth post notice as well he has a crown and on top of that crown he has a star
00:51:43.180that's the north star it's the pole star and so a lot of kings back in the day they identified more
00:51:49.740with the pole star than they did with the sun nowadays over time they identify more with the sun
00:51:55.840than they do with the pole star and so do you think that that's a a purposeful obfuscation it seems like
00:52:02.020um it's not not an inversion but it feels like it's a departure from what people previously understood
00:52:07.740absolutely yeah yeah um i think it's both i think that there's intentional obfuscation but i also
00:52:14.360think that this is a kind of a natural um sort of uh trend basically and so the idea basically behind
00:52:21.180it is that man has fallen from grace you know that's my opinion i look at the modern world and
00:52:26.180a lot of things and i can just i see it all over the place and so people have become less and less
00:52:30.980spiritual less and less centered um so we're in a dark age personally that's my opinion and so in
00:52:37.520the golden age people had more of this sort of centeredness to them and they had more of this
00:52:42.280reverence for the north star so when man fell from their center symbolically uh everything shifted as
00:52:50.360well so there is that great shift from the pole star to solar symbolism so from polar symbolism to
00:52:55.780solar symbolism and so then you have heliocentrism where the sun is the center of the whole entire
00:53:01.740system right and so the center has basically shifted so when people talk about pole shift i don't know if
00:53:07.540you guys have done shows on pole shift or anything like that uh i see it as a symbolic shift actually
00:53:13.380a symbolic shift from polar symbolism to solar symbolism and there's a ton of information about
00:53:18.920all of this like uh more than what you would expect in fact if people go to my website i have a pdf
00:53:25.220uh that you can download for free i have 27 books that get into polar symbolism if people want to
00:53:32.200learn more about it because it is such a key to unlocking so many different things even as an
00:53:37.240example there's freemasons who basically said that at the higher echelons of freemasonry it's about polar
00:53:42.660symbolism that that's the thing well you know where on the site can i find that the very top
00:53:47.980the very top uh learn more about polar symbolism oh i'm an idiot right there yeah i know words where
00:53:56.760it says polar symbolism uh the ones where it says polar symbol that that's where you'll find it it's
00:54:00.640like jeez dude so i'm sorry you mentioned the expression golden age and that's something that
00:54:05.540keeps on coming up because uh i think it was like blavatsky and alice bailey together you know they're
00:54:10.680they they're both uh hearkening to 2025 as being the start of this golden age or the age of aquarius
00:54:16.540and then you have donald trump using this terminology interestingly enough to uh talk about you know what
00:54:24.060his presidency was supposed to be like or is going to be like or something to that effect that we're
00:54:28.180going to enter this new golden age which is you know i don't think that that's an accident i'm not
00:54:34.080trying to attribute more intelligence uh to to donald trump than what is due but i just can't help
00:54:39.900like when we're dealing with world leaders especially you know those in america um they may
00:54:45.880have the outward appearance to to somebody who maybe doesn't like them so that they can dismiss them as
00:54:52.360as an idiot but there's something a deeper level of knowledge do you think that we're moving into
00:54:58.160some sort of a re-emergence of a golden age you know they talk about the kali yuga coming to an end by
00:55:04.480fire fascinatingly enough you know we were talking about the the flood and and how the rainbow was
00:55:09.840the promise to not do that again but fire is is still very much on the table and it seems to be
00:55:14.680prophesied that that's how you know the the age will end um are we in your opinion going through that
00:55:21.300is that is that uh spiritual is any part of that literal what do you think yeah um a couple things
00:55:28.340so one one thing that i've read is that you know what i'm putting a lot of stock into is traditional
00:55:35.860symbolism and sort of tradition in general actually and so i have way more reverence and respect for
00:55:42.180people's traditions than i used to you know years ago and basically my school of thought is i've been
00:55:48.420reading a lot of authors who would call themselves perennialists or traditionalists in my opinion these
00:55:54.600authors are the best symbologists of the modern world that's how i got into them is by looking through
00:56:00.320symbolism and seeing names in certain books my sort of favorite books i would look into the authors and
00:56:06.660eventually i found you know renee guinon he's my favorite symbolic author basically and i've learned
00:56:13.740so much from him and so much from his sort of colleagues and peers and then also people who sort
00:56:19.540of followed his work uh after he had passed and so what he says is that you know uh people who are
00:56:26.800interested in traditionalism they're of course going to refer back to the last golden age what were
00:56:33.100people doing during the last golden age how did people look at spirituality and relationships and
00:56:37.960just kind of everything there's actually a lot i think you can learn and take away from that and see
00:56:43.500how far we've sort of fallen and what he says is that it's only modern western people that really always
00:56:50.860prioritize the next golden age that they never talk about the last golden age they talk about the
00:56:56.160return of a golden age and essentially i think he would say that uh a lot of this is kind of like
00:57:03.320new age propaganda or it's like a new age sort of psyop or whatever because people have been talking
00:57:08.540about this for a really long time he also does not give much love or credit to like theosophy as an
00:57:14.800example or madame blavatsky he considers a lot of these people to have distorted a lot of truths
00:57:21.120from the east right and that as it came further west a lot of things were sort of lost in translation
00:57:26.820and whatnot and so um so having said that though what comes after the darkest age you know you're
00:57:34.540gonna start swinging back to something that has more balance something that is um you know um more
00:57:41.040harmonious you know in many ways so i do see that it feels as though we are starting to swing back a
00:57:47.020little bit you know and i don't know exactly when this sort of um you know will happen in totality
00:57:53.820or what that's necessarily going to look like but what he also has said is that the biggest difference
00:58:00.060between the last golden age and the present dark age that we find ourselves in is literally the return
00:58:07.240of the center that the big difference is that the center has been lost the center of self the center of
00:58:12.740the home or family the center of of all things uh your spiritual sort of framework and whatnot
00:58:18.140and so he's saying that if it's going to return that's what's going to return with it is this
00:58:22.720reverence and respect for this concept that relates to the center and i just have to say it's so
00:58:28.660interesting that a lot of people basically use the age of aquarius almost like in a synonymous way
00:58:34.920with this return of the golden age because aquarius in the tarot corresponds with the star card
00:58:42.740and everything about that card screams north star and also aquarius the old ruler of um of uh of the
00:58:54.840sign was saturn saturn used to rule the core uh used to rule aquarius in most people's minds now it's
00:59:00.660changed uh but if we take this old rulership of saturn saturn was the ruler of the last golden age and
00:59:08.880people have said that if there's going to be a new golden age there's going to be also this return of
00:59:13.700saturn now saturn in today's world most people view saturn as this old man right father time
00:59:21.880long beard scythe uh you know saturn is known for uh eating his children right that's very interesting
00:59:29.140there's a lot to say about that saturn way way way back when was actually viewed as more feminine
00:59:35.060and so there was way more of a stronger feminine correspondence and um daniel and i were talking
00:59:41.800before the stream and i brought up briefly uh the fact that uh jake shields online he was curious about
00:59:49.100wanting to know more about the jewish saturnian uh black cube sort of symbolism which i've done a ton of
00:59:56.060research right yeah yeah and so um one thing that he has to understand and i sent him a message about
01:00:03.800this and and he got back to me and everything but uh saturn to the jews is actually viewed as being
01:00:09.260feminine it's not masculine and so there's a major major feminine correspondence uh to saturn that
01:00:15.680often kind of gets lost uh you know to most people well that's interesting because this this babylon
01:00:21.960workings uh you know the the whole jack parsons l ron hubbard in the desert doing uh alistair crowley's
01:00:28.700uh i forget is it amelantra workings or no maybe that's what he did in the great pyramid whatever it
01:00:33.660was they're trying to summon into this realm a an entity from uh thelemic you know teachings called
01:00:41.140babylon and babylon is in their mind supposed to represent this like divine feminine um and then
01:00:48.760you know lots of people are pointing to a bunch of characters that exist today in the playing
01:00:52.060field that that they think could be this entity right now it's like possibly sabrina carpenter but
01:00:57.700still the idea is crazy it's really wild stuff but the idea is that they were working hard to uh
01:01:06.080summon into this realm uh a an entity that in their mind represented the divine feminine and so
01:01:13.900it's fascinating that you should say the return of saturn is associated with the golden age and
01:01:19.520saturn is this you know more divine uh you know more feminine spirit that's that's fascinating
01:01:25.460yeah no it it really is um it unlocks a whole new level of symbolism and that's one of the things i
01:01:32.400like to do that i i don't know if a lot of other symbologists do this but symbolic transfer you can
01:01:38.240have a symbol and if everyone in today's world is saying no this symbol is always based around the sun
01:01:44.220it's always a man it's always this it's always that that doesn't mean it's always the case you know
01:01:48.300that there have been whole huge stretches of time where people did not see it that way and so kind
01:01:54.060of understanding symbolic transfer and that you know symbolism in some ways is kind of organic and
01:01:59.660so you have to understand that different cultures have their different way of uh seeing things so one
01:02:05.280of the things i just want to mention about this is i think it's really interesting that um in the bible
01:02:11.580there are several instances where basically israel is referred to as the bride of god who became unfaithful
01:02:20.800and who became a harlot or a prostitute with many lovers and literally the bible says that the whore of
01:02:27.260babylon in several cases is literally israel itself and so this fits in nicely with some other things that
01:02:34.740i've learned um but they have this idea of it's called the shekinah and it's kind of like the feminine
01:02:39.720aspect of the divine basically and uh the sephiroth on the kabbalistic tree of life that saturn
01:02:46.060corresponds with is uh binah and basically there's a feminine correspondence with that too this great
01:02:52.780mother sort of dynamic so in my opinion basically if there's a dark mother archetype in the traditional
01:03:00.620planetary system it is saturn so this dark mother concept i think is very very strong so even as an
01:03:08.260example you know uh are you guys familiar with the kabba cube in mecca yeah yeah so you have the
01:03:15.020kabba cube in mecca if you're a muslim you pray towards mecca five times a day right you're praying
01:03:20.760towards the kabba cube i've read that the kabba in some uh ways translates to house of the mother that
01:03:29.060it's actually a feminine symbol that cube is a feminine symbol and they actually put a veil on the cube
01:03:36.400called a kisswa and so what do we put veils on you know they put veils on women the burka and everything
01:03:42.260else but if there's a sign that associates with the veil and associates with bridal symbolism
01:03:47.800it's actually virgo and so veil symbolism is very very feminine you could even say symbolically
01:03:54.540the hymen is a symbolic veil there's a lot of things that are symbolic veils but it matches up with
01:04:00.200that with what being a virgin sort of represents um in today's world virginity mostly means uh physical
01:04:06.680sex in the old world virginity just used to mean not being wed not having a partner something along
01:04:13.200those lines right but even the the kabba cube the black cuban islam is a symbol of the mother and so
01:04:20.420i think when you're looking at the black cube and of course there's all of these different installations
01:04:24.620around the world where you see a black cube you're basically symbolically looking at the abode or
01:04:30.100you're looking at the dwelling or the womb of saturn as a as a dark mother basically and there's a lot of
01:04:37.460older uh dark mother cults right um there's a book called uh cults of the shadow by kenneth grant he gets
01:04:43.960into a lot of this stuff and so there's traditions called the typhonian tradition basically lines up
01:04:50.040perfectly with that the draconian tradition kind of lines up with this as well and so to me that's
01:04:55.420kind of what i see with that symbolism right is that actually saturn for some groups it's a dark
01:05:01.680feminine symbol i think they kind of did something at this last super bowl so so uh donald trump you
01:05:08.660know we were talking about the whole golden age thing and now that that that gives me like a little
01:05:12.760bit more of a puzzle piece um this whole divine feminine aspect being associated with that and being
01:05:18.960associated with chronos or saturn um he ended up being like the first sitting president at a super
01:05:25.240bowl and that super bowl took place in like caesar's superdome and i think it was like the first uh
01:05:31.340emperor of rome ushered in what was called a golden age so there's like this kind of weird loose
01:05:37.700connection between like caesar's superdome and this golden age and at the time i was obsessed with the
01:05:43.020orphic egg and how it was going to because it kept popping up as a symbol in in like these really big
01:05:49.480events and it was uh you know caesar's superdome from the top down looks like a gigantic egg and you
01:05:56.580know the egg is is sort of like if you were to reduce its symbolism it would be like uh one uh that
01:06:03.520that shows you like order out of chaos right so the idea is that there were these chaotic primordial
01:06:08.680waters this egg existed and and out of the egg either bursted this entity that created um the
01:06:15.360earth or the earth was created out of like the egg shell just depends on what uh sort of ancient
01:06:20.880religion you're looking at the vedics have everybody has it and so i'm going okay there's like egg
01:06:25.800symbolism donald trump is ushering in the golden age he's at caesar's superdome he's the first sitting
01:06:30.780president at a super bowl i'm expecting something to happen and instead really all we got was divine
01:06:37.580feminine symbolism and and by that i mean like they had uh i'm gonna butcher her name because i
01:06:42.300always forget her name but it's like seasons or sozans or she's a rapper her name is s z n i think
01:06:49.300and when she appears she's like dressed in red and her stage is an inverted triangle which like if
01:06:57.500you're looking at them rudimentary it's it's like the upward triangle is masculine the downward triangle
01:07:02.640is feminine they represent a bunch of different things but that's kind of one aspect of them so i'm
01:07:07.220like okay there's this divine feminine aspect she's and then they go to a commercial break
01:07:11.420and there's a woman who's in flag football and she's wearing the number 77 which is my understanding
01:07:17.26077 is associated with the divine feminine and she is juking dudes she's you know breaking their
01:07:22.960ankles and she's winning she scores the winning touchdown uh in this game of flag football and
01:07:28.600it's kind of like this big girl boss moment and i'm going like all right they're just giving us
01:07:33.360like a lot of like you know uh um what would you say like female empowerment but now knowing that
01:07:41.660chronos or saturn is associated with the divine feminine um that starts to make a lot more sense
01:07:48.840uh and what do you think about that before i go any further yeah no it does make a lot of sense um
01:07:54.520so what i've learned is that essentially i would say i think it's fairly universal but i'll use the
01:08:02.080word most for now most esoteric occult groups have a reverence for the goddess or the divine feminine
01:08:10.320or the dark mother that's what it boils down to you know that exoterically it's more okay to sort of
01:08:17.040have this relationship with god right christianity there's lots of masculine solar sort of symbolism
01:08:22.040going on there that's more of an exoteric thing and so people who actually have this reverence for
01:08:27.740the dark mother or the feminine that's more esoteric and so they're going to be doing it behind
01:08:32.140the scenes and actually it's interesting as well because just feminine symbolism in general is more
01:08:37.220passive so it's more behind the scenes in general right there's even this concept of like the female
01:08:42.220illuminati and it's this idea that actually behind all of these men the patriarchy it's actually women
01:08:49.780running the show and that's always what they've done that's that they'd rather mothers of darkness
01:08:54.340yeah yeah yeah yeah totally and so uh so i think that that's interesting and so um related to the
01:09:01.180number seven though you're absolutely right and so i'm not sure if you guys have ever looked into
01:09:06.360like thelemic symbolism and their whore of babylon concept and everything else um the whore of babylon
01:09:12.800she's riding a beast with what seven heads that's the classic sort of thing right their main symbol
01:09:18.920in that world for the whore of babylon is the seven pointed star and babylon has seven letters
01:09:25.820so they will put babylon within those seven points of the star and then even within the star
01:09:31.740there's sevens galore there's sevens all over the place right and so i'm going to do a presentation at
01:09:37.500some point called babylon uh a polar goddess or northern goddess because that's what it all represents
01:09:42.880that in the northern sky these seven stars of ursa major and minor they were referred to as the
01:09:48.360seven stars the original seven stars of enlightenment and some people have put forward
01:09:53.000that the symbolism associated with those seven stars got shifted to the seven planets basically
01:09:58.520saturn by the way being the seventh planet in fact i just have to say as well ursa major looks like the
01:10:07.020number seven and so i'm inclined to think i've done a ton of research on this we literally get the shape
01:10:13.260of the number seven from ursa major oh right fascinating and so ursa major has also been
01:10:19.220referred to as a dark mother she's referred to as the creatrix and so there's a lot of
01:10:23.080correspondences for her you know throughout the years but a lot of different groups have basically
01:10:28.140said that if there's a dwelling place for the dark mother for this uh sort of goddess of heaven
01:10:32.960queen of heaven concept it's in the northern sky and specifically it's ursa major so yeah there's a lot
01:10:38.980of correspondence and overlap with all these things that's fascinating so that that uh queen of heaven
01:10:43.760concept has been coming up a lot i'm actually currently listening to an episode i think of
01:10:47.200tony merkel's show um about this queen of heaven concept and and uh certainly the the dark aspect
01:10:54.180associated with it it's also worth noting that within i think the vedic belief system their sort of
01:11:00.520orphic egg creation mythos uh a a feminine deity a mother deity emerges from the egg gives birth to a
01:11:10.120set of twins i believe one of them interestingly enough tries to use the word the spoken word to
01:11:16.380generate the earth realms uh can't do it lacks the words or something of that nature and then the other
01:11:22.760one does it alchemically with with the you know these foundational elements that are around them
01:11:27.580um i always find myself asking this question of like who are these symbols for you know i i think
01:11:37.060let's say for example of like the denver airport where you're just trying to catch a flight but you're
01:11:43.440being inundated with all these really like deep esoteric symbols right and it's like haunting and and
01:11:50.000then music videos is another one like i know we were saying earlier mario that we've like moved away
01:11:54.920from our understanding it's moved into this more like heliocentric worship model and instead of this
01:12:01.140this polar one and and um but it doesn't stop you know jay-z or name your favorite artist from filling
01:12:10.500their music videos with all of this i'd love to get your opinion on like who are these symbols for in
01:12:17.820particular when they're in art like that not um not a stationary art that's like hung up on your wall
01:12:24.940or like the cover of michael jackson's thing but like this video that's getting pumped out to the
01:12:29.300masses who is that for and um and are they even doing it well you know right actually actually pulling
01:12:37.200it off well do you watch those and you go like that's just he's just putting stuff next to stuff
01:12:42.360and doesn't really know what he's doing right right i've definitely seen instances of that for sure
01:12:46.700um i have seen other music videos where i'm like whoa somebody really really really knows what's going
01:12:52.200on with all of this stuff and been very uh impressed actually with sort of the level of depth you know
01:12:57.780in that regard um what i will say is that these symbols you know a lot of these you mentioned the
01:13:04.600orphic egg you know the the symbol of the egg you know these basic symbols like it's imprinted
01:13:11.300you know uh into us the symbol of the serpent people have used that example many times you know
01:13:15.580you've never seen a snake before but when you see a snake it kind of does something to you maybe for
01:13:19.520the first time right um and so i think we're kind of hardwired in many ways to kind of filter through
01:13:26.740these symbols and filter through this artwork and everything else um but i'll say that i think that
01:13:31.940these music videos for the most part they're for us but not for our benefit obviously you know and
01:13:38.580so we live in a very like in my opinion a very fallen degenerate sort of state you know and so
01:13:46.080these symbols and these videos and and everything else they're pumped out to us uh but the value like
01:13:53.080the sacred sort of spiritual value is not there you know um just imagine people back in the day
01:13:59.320i've read about this so much you know you might hear a song and it's actually being performed live
01:14:06.360like with real people maybe in a church maybe it's celebratory maybe there's some sort of ritualistic
01:14:13.740aspect to it maybe you only heard this song once a year on a holy day and then that's it nowadays we
01:14:20.060have recorded music we have music videos you can listen to the same song on repeat forever you know
01:14:24.880and so and the sacred quality arguably obviously there's musicians who still do it and there's
01:14:30.560musicians who have that going on that sort of soul or whatever but most of it is not that today
01:14:36.100most everything today is basically you know it amounts to industry and consumerism and this sort of
01:14:43.720cookie cutter kind of dynamic where it's all content basically you know so content has basically sort of
01:14:49.720replaced art in a lot of ways and so um this really gets into this dynamic that i've been like
01:14:55.420very very interested in as well um called the reign of quantity so there's this book by guanon who i
01:15:01.140mentioned earlier he wrote it uh it was called the reign of quantity and the signs of the times
01:15:05.100and the basic premise of his whole entire work of that book is essentially that people in the last
01:15:12.020golden age during this last tradition sometimes you can refer to this age by the way as the primordial
01:15:17.060tradition or the polar tradition as well but that during this age everything had meaning everything
01:15:24.000was intentional everything was sacred there was sort of a value to all aspects of life basically
01:15:29.140um so people's qualitative life was very high and basically we can use quality as sort of a synonymous
01:15:38.220word with spiritual that their spiritual life was very high now as man has fallen from grace
01:15:45.220as man has gone through this transition from polar to solar uh what has replaced qualitative things
01:15:52.980is what's quantitative so basically now people only concern themselves with quantitative things
01:15:59.900uh you know money right um when we're dealing with things that are quantitative it's things that you
01:16:05.220can actually like measure and hold and weigh and all these other things and so this has completely
01:16:11.780replaced all things qualitative in our life and along with that um he says that we've gone through this
01:16:18.900process of the solidification of the world where people only see things from a very materialistic sort of
01:16:25.540perspective and they actually can't reason or logic or think beyond like anything along those lines so we're living in a
01:16:34.660a like post post-modern world where the reign of quantity has completely taken hold everything is all
01:16:41.780about this sort of um this content kind of uh concept or idea everything is basically sort of consumerist and uh
01:16:49.620you know basically fuels industry and uh the reign of quantity fits in very nicely with uh just the monetary system and everything else so now people put a quantitative value on things
01:17:00.660they don't put a qualitative value on things as much anymore you know that's how most of the world works
01:17:05.940uh for better or worse you know he also he did not denounce the modern world and he didn't say that you should completely shun it and become a hermit or anything like that
01:17:14.660he's just explaining sort of the metaphysics behind it of like what's going on in today's world
01:17:19.780and tech is a huge part of this too you know one weave that i've gotten into recently is just in terms of the reign of quantity and kind of where we're at
01:17:29.140um you know the first transistor was invented in 1947 1947 was a crazy year by the way
01:17:37.380yeah we could do a whole entire show on that so we have oh really awesome good yeah it deserves to be put out there you know
01:17:44.740so there's so many things going on there the world changed uh the u.s changed it was a complete sea change
01:17:51.380uh but one of the things that happened was the first transistor was invented in 1947 right by the 70s
01:18:00.260we now had four transistors on a chip the transistor is like the basic thing in a chip that allows it to even
01:18:06.980work and to compute and all these other things right the modern iphone a random iphone that you can go to
01:18:13.460the mall and get do you guys want to guess on how many transistors are on the chip in a modern iphone
01:18:20.820i mean it might even be in the millions but it's like i know it's hundreds of thousands for sure
01:18:24.500like i've seen the videos where they just zoom in and in and it's freaking incredible i know they
01:18:28.900don't even look real looks like an ai video that like never ends it they just keep zooming in and
01:18:32.820there's still like intricacy and detail the further that yeah how many 16 billion what oh my god there's
01:18:40.980no way i would have guessed 16 billion i was blown away i could not believe it so one transistor being
01:18:48.420invented in 1947 four in the 70s since then they've added more and more and more and more now the modern
01:18:56.180iphone has like 16 billion transistors in it that's incredible all right look i gotta ask you because you
01:19:02.340know we're talking about metaphysical symbols and these deep esoteric meanings and and a lot of what we're
01:19:09.060touching on uh we on the show to to our best guests um and you know i don't even know if i want to call
01:19:15.860it educated guests we're inundated with information and then you know we go oh that's overwhelming and
01:19:20.580then we we regurgitate something horrifying to the people and and probably mislead them but uh i think
01:19:26.020that a lot of this has to do with um entities that that don't exist within our physical realm maybe
01:19:32.420they previously did they can't exist here in the physical they do a lot of things like possessing
01:19:37.940people but a lot of um a lot of influential individuals throughout history would would
01:19:45.140attribute their great works of art or their great um inspired inventions to literally having been
01:19:52.260inspired inspired by let's say uh one of our great examples that we like to give here on the show is uh
01:19:58.100uh is uh what's this guy's name the the carlos santana he is channeling and there's very many
01:20:05.140channelers in in this conversation he's channeling um metatron which depending on who you talk to it's
01:20:10.900either an angel or or it's a fallen angel um where do you put the influence of of these spiritual beings
01:20:19.140or otherwise in this are they strictly um allegory or are these real in your mind um i would say both
01:20:29.540i think there's instances where uh people have certainly used them allegorically you know and
01:20:35.220as an example sort of like ignorance of self you know can be viewed as being evil right um so there's
01:20:41.380a lot to be said about that you know metaphorically about your inner landscape and and how you know you
01:20:46.660kind of embody all things angelic and demonic um i can't remember who said it but uh it was either
01:20:52.580jung or or um chris campbell or something or joseph campbell but all of the gods and demons are within
01:20:57.700you right you know and then this idea of kind of like the kingdom within right or like your body being
01:21:03.060a temple and all these things like there's a lot to be said about that um but also you cannot deny
01:21:10.340the influence of these things uh whatever they might be however you might want to talk about it you
01:21:15.460know in in reality and i'll say the biggest sort of wake-up call for me with all of this is i spent
01:21:20.820years looking at the night sky with night vision goggles i don't know if you guys have ever had
01:21:25.940the privilege of doing that no what what did you uh what did you what did you see were you using
01:21:32.500glass what were you doing bro no no no i do want to see those though for sure um no years and years ago
01:21:39.220i heard a guy on coast to coast i believe his name was uh ed grimsley and he basically said that he was
01:21:45.700in the military and he got issued a pair of military grade night vision goggles he was in the desert he
01:21:52.100just happened to look up with the goggles and he saw stuff and then he kind of made it a routine to
01:21:58.260look up whenever he had these goggles around and at the time that was my shit i wanted to know everything
01:22:03.700about ets and ufos and all that kind of stuff right and so i bought a really good pair of military
01:22:10.020grade night vision goggles at the time they were no they're not exactly i took out a credit card just
01:22:15.620to buy them by the way that is awesome i love that yeah and so and i paid even two to have a premium
01:22:21.700chip so uh the place i went through you can have like a specific chip put in that actually like ups the
01:22:28.100gain a little bit whatever and so i bought them and the first night i got them in the mail i just
01:22:36.020looked out my window and i saw a what they call it a tr3b and it's like a triangular craft right yes
01:22:43.780i saw a tr3b zoom right past my place and i was like holy shit i'm like i just barely started looking
01:22:51.300you know like two minutes ago and i'm already seeing stuff and this was in the city i was living
01:22:55.940in portland oregon at the time and portland is kind of a hotbed and the pacific northwest is actually
01:23:01.220kind of like a cryptid ufology kind of hotbed sort of thing and so um i just started looking you know
01:23:08.020with these goggles and i saw the tr3b several more times i had friends that also saw it as well uh lots
01:23:15.460of lights lots of orbs i had interactions with orbs as well that like literally came towards us and
01:23:21.380everything else and then once i started seeing stuff with the night vision i started having
01:23:26.820naked eye sightings that was kind of a trippy thing as well not even trying to see stuff i saw stuff so
01:23:32.420i almost feel like i kind of crossed some sort of threshold or membrane or something like that
01:23:38.100you know um but it was trippy because i took out a friend and he's a muslim guy uh to check out the
01:23:45.860night sky that was my thing for a number of years hey you want to see something wild let me take you to this
01:23:50.740park you know at 11 p.m and you'll probably see stuff and so we saw things of course and what i've
01:23:57.460noticed at least when i was looking at stuff is that i saw way more sightings in the city than i
01:24:02.260ever did anywhere else i went to the country i went to the woods i went to the beach i went all over the
01:24:06.660place with these things i never saw that much stuff but the city is where i saw the most exotic weird
01:24:12.580bizarre stuff all the time and uh basically he was the first person that told me he's like you know
01:24:18.180what man he's like these might be gin that you're looking at that some of these things look like
01:24:22.500actual like physical crafts he goes but these other things they look like they're spiritual
01:24:27.940and sure enough like some of the authors that i like to follow with this stuff they're basically
01:24:32.660all saying the same thing is like yeah what we're calling ufos today people call demons or fairies or
01:24:38.340whatever else like way back in the day you know so there is something going on out there uh on that
01:24:44.020level like absolutely they had a better grasp of the spiritual so we kind of like ridicule them for
01:24:50.100calling them jinn or demons or something and then we're like but they're aliens and it's like i think
01:24:54.340we're we're the ones that are stunted in our understanding of these things exactly mario you're
01:24:58.900saying that you're looking you're looking at this stuff uh through the the night vision goggles and
01:25:03.700then you're starting to see it with your naked eye do you yeah do you think that that would be
01:25:09.540considering if this stuff is supernatural or spiritual and in nature you think that you kind
01:25:14.900of had some sort of hitchhiker effect by just possibly possibly people have said that before i've heard
01:25:21.220other people mention things along those lines i don't personally i don't know if i felt any different
01:25:27.780and nobody wants to think that they are being taken for a ride you know um but i'm i'm kind of
01:25:33.540open to it you know because the wildest thing i ever saw was with my naked eye and you know telling
01:25:40.980ufo stories is kind of almost like telling dreams you know in a way um sometimes people it just
01:25:46.500doesn't resonate the way it kind of resonated with you you know i think we probably all have had that
01:25:50.340feeling yeah but i was uh taking a bus from philadelphia to new york and getting into the city
01:25:56.740and my uh now wife was was with me and above this building getting into the city i saw we both saw
01:26:05.460for like 15 or 20 seconds this it almost looked like do you guys know what the bean looks like in
01:26:11.380chicago no silver bean have you ever seen that downtown culture nancy pull that up yeah just be
01:26:19.620careful with the google results uh oh yeah there you go right right i think i know what you're talking
01:26:23.780about it's like a big um uh uh we lost mario for a second there kicked him off the screen
01:26:29.540unbelievable what happened hold on okay sorry it's just this big silver looking bean and it's kind of
01:26:38.100like a tourist attraction thing in chicago yeah and it kind of like that but it was spinning into itself
01:26:44.580it was spinning into itself it was morphing it was iridescent it was changing colors and it was hovering
01:26:52.020over this building and like i said we saw for like 15 20 seconds which for ufo sighting that's a long
01:26:57.540time actually yeah you know and so we could not believe it you're looking at something right yeah
01:27:03.300yeah yeah and so i that was one of the first times where i saw something and i i had this palpable sort
01:27:10.500of like feeling that it was definitely more intelligent than us you know that it was doing things that i
01:27:16.900basically can't comprehend it was completely defying physics you know and so um so that was the
01:27:22.580weirdest thing i saw but you know that was just with my naked eye without night vision and whatever
01:27:26.820also i can't quite explain like what's happening that way i just know there's a lot of activity up
01:27:32.260there that if you're really wanting to see it night vision is a great way to actually see some of that
01:27:36.980stuff see one of the things that really um backs that up is we learned recently that uh steven greer he's
01:27:44.100got the ce5 app right and people are using it to sort of summon in ufos it seems that your attention
01:27:49.860on them can sort of cause like an interaction i think that's kind of what you were describing you
01:27:54.180experienced and come to find out he's using binaural beats hemi syncing beats uh in order to achieve
01:28:02.580this like meditative state required to call them into our realm or what have you but uh those same
01:28:09.700hemi syncing binaural beats are um associated with causing uh out-of-body experiences astral projection
01:28:19.700and then it spirals into um the poltergeist activity alien abduction phenomenon demonic activity all these
01:28:26.180different things and the mk ultra program is using uh you know binaural beats to cause a
01:28:35.060disassociative state that allows for their i don't know patients and whatever test subjects uh to
01:28:42.420to be able to interact on some level with with some sort of an entity um i think even you know this is
01:28:49.140kind of hinted at in like stranger things where she's not using like binaural beats necessarily but
01:28:53.540she is using like float tanks so there's this effort to disassociate so the float tanks is one way because
01:29:00.420the water temperature allows you to not feel the differentiation between your skin like where your
01:29:04.420skin ends and where the water begins because it's the same temperature and also you're floating so
01:29:08.580you have this feeling of weightlessness that helps you to disassociate from your physical body
01:29:14.420these binaural beats are doing the same thing and what are they putting people in contact with well
01:29:18.500like entities over again that's this the the theme that you get um so i do think like yeah there is
01:29:27.060some physical craft and whether they are ours because whenever you have an alien abduction
01:29:32.420experience there is often this descriptive of uh military personnel you know science uh scientists
01:29:38.580things of that nature uh associated with it so there'll be multiple types of beings in the room
01:29:44.980you know one of those being just regular working humans um in some sort of military capacity
01:29:50.900so i'm i'm comfortable with the idea that like some of these are are solid they may be ours maybe
01:29:56.020there's some conversation to be had about reverse engineering although i think nowadays i'm i'm
01:30:01.060getting more comfortable with that being more of an inaccurate trope that isn't as common as you
01:30:07.940would imagine um but that a lot of these other things are like organics or spiritual entities they're
01:30:13.620like light forms that uh are taking the the the form of something that looks solid um but yeah that
01:30:21.060aliens is a really shitty rebranding that is exclusively due to like hollywood and whatever
01:30:26.980nasa is feeding us uh and that uh the ancients had a much better handle on this so whether you want
01:30:32.100to call them jinn or demons or things like that i mean i think you know here on this show it's called
01:30:36.420nephilim death squad i think that the book of enoch really tells you something there that that this idea
01:30:42.500that there are these offspring of these fallen angels um and that when they died their spirits didn't
01:30:48.180ascend they don't go anywhere they're kind of stuck here and that that is the the thing that
01:30:53.060torments people um when you talk about demonic possession or or what have you so i think that um
01:30:58.420there's nothing new going on is what i think and and and and we just have to in our infinite wisdom
01:31:05.300in 2025 slap a label on it that's like when people go like oh we're experiencing like simulation theory
01:31:12.100and it's like you're you're noticing aspects of our reality that the ancients noticed but those
01:31:18.500ancients never designed grand theft auto 5 so they didn't it wisdom slap a label on it called simulation
01:31:25.620theory you know it's it's uh we are not as intelligent as as i mean not that we on this show think we're
01:31:32.180very intelligent but i'm just saying you know people in general are not not as much as they'd like to
01:31:36.660believe no i got you man i'm right there with you i i agree with a lot of what you just said there
01:31:42.020especially the simulation thing that kind of drives me up the wall uh how people sort of
01:31:45.620present it and think about it and everything else um you know one of the interesting things
01:31:50.660that i've come across related to just all of this material is that uh there are there's a book actually
01:31:57.780um called stairway to heaven it's by this guy named peter lavenda you guys probably maybe know who
01:32:02.900he is not sure i don't know but um he's done a lot of ufology stuff and everything else but he's also
01:32:08.340like a very serious like occultist uh esoteric guy and he basically compiled this book and he talks
01:32:14.900about all of the different traditions around the world where people had this idea that in order to
01:32:21.380astral travel you had to cross through these seven membranes and so he talks about this in the jewish
01:32:26.820tradition with the uh chariot mysticism uh merkaba mysticism is what it's called he talks about how the
01:32:33.700buddhists essentially had this very similar sort of thing he talks about uh all these different
01:32:39.060branches of the esoteric world where they had this idea of seven steps to go to the great beyond and
01:32:46.420they had this idea that you were going to the northern sky and the interesting thing about that
01:32:51.940is that if you look at the kabbalistic tree of life there's a hidden sephiroth right there's 10 main
01:32:56.900sephiroth but there's a hidden 10th or excuse me 11th sephiroth called doth and that sephiroth
01:33:03.780takes you to the dark side of the tree it's called the tree of death or the klopothic tree
01:33:08.020and this takes you to the other side basically and this sephiroth corresponds with the north
01:33:13.940esoteric writers and authors like literally will say that this sephiroth corresponds to the north
01:33:18.820basically bringing us back to this bridge at the north kind of uh symbolic framework
01:33:24.660now with mk ultra my understanding is from a friend and researcher uh who's done a lot of
01:33:32.900information sort of digging with all of this and has her own personal experience with this her name
01:33:37.060is emily moyer uh she basically one of the things that she talks about all the time is that these mk
01:33:43.540ultra programs they were to disassociate people as you were saying a lot of times uh i understand that
01:33:50.180there's a whole branch where they're using the kabbalistic tree as a programming tool basically
01:33:55.220that's you know and so they would use the tree as a way to sort of uh they knew what compartments
01:34:01.140they were going to program into somebody or whatever and then how to bring it out with
01:34:04.820the symbolism associated with that sephiroth and the path and everything else but that one of the
01:34:09.540things behind this is seems like people have been doing this for a long time
01:34:12.740how do you get people to astral travel and basically be aware enough to remember what
01:34:20.740they're seeing on the other side and then bring it back for intelligence purposes
01:34:24.660yeah they're trying to get them to map it out which which was i mean like that's literally what
01:34:28.900they're doing is they're sending you know remote viewers astral projectors however you want to
01:34:32.420describe it uh to this this realm and trying to map it out like it's a physical place which is
01:34:37.940interesting because that would suggest that it's not just like random ether but that there are there
01:34:43.700there's locations and locations that are static in in whatever realm this is and so you could visit
01:34:48.660them and you could map it out that is fascinating yeah can i can ask you something real quick um
01:34:54.660when you're doing uh your the tower readings as you what is the idea uh behind when you're drawing
01:35:01.300the cards for a specific person like what uh what's guiding that uh the drawing of the cards
01:35:07.780because it's not random right you you think something else yeah um you know that's a really
01:35:12.660good question so you know the idea of a synchronicity right is that it's a meaningful
01:35:18.580coincidence right and so you're kind of presupposing that the synchronicity is going to do its job
01:35:25.060you know for me at least in a tarot reading that if we're going to have a conversation or anything sort
01:35:30.100of happens this kind of relates back to what i was saying about the traditional times where
01:35:33.620you know everything had meaning everything had intention your dreams had meaning you know all
01:35:37.940these different types of things whoever you ran into that day you know um even as an example when
01:35:42.580something bad happens in your day so if i suddenly got a flat tire you know instead of just cursing the
01:35:48.500heavens symbolically i'm looking at it now and i'm seeing an opportunity there and i'm like okay well
01:35:53.220this happened for a reason what's the reason behind this you know and so that's it kind of works a
01:35:58.740similar sort of way when i'm doing tarot readings is like hey you're from halfway around the world
01:36:04.100we're meeting together right now to talk about whatever it is you might be going through whatever
01:36:08.180you want insights on i'm presupposing that the cards are going to do their thing in presenting a
01:36:13.620synchronicity for us and it's so mind-blowing because once you start using the cards um it's crazy
01:36:21.540how often they really really sync up with whatever that person needs to hear or whatever sort of uh
01:36:27.140they're going through how much it aligns like perfectly and so i chalk it up to that i know
01:36:33.140obviously there's people who think you might be working with spirits and things like that i have
01:36:37.300more of a detached sort of thing with that personally and my personal intention is always
01:36:42.500just for their highest good and for their spiritual development so i am not somebody that i'm not trying
01:36:48.020to forecast their future in fact i i tell people some people come to me for reading and they want
01:36:53.140to know hey am i going to get this job am i going to get back with this guy whatever it might be
01:36:57.460i tell them i'm like i'm sorry but i'm not that kind of reader you know if you're interested in
01:37:01.220spiritual development that i can talk about all day long and there's a lot to discuss there but if
01:37:06.900you just want to know what's going to happen i'm not that kind of reader same thing with astrology
01:37:10.980you know i think a lot of people use astrology um and they just want to know what's going to happen
01:37:15.860you know they want to forecast what's coming ahead and i don't personally use it for that i think
01:37:19.940that there's way better uses for it that are sort of uh more transcendental in a way and kind of more
01:37:25.620timeless in a way you know so that's my basic thing there are a lot of like um i don't know
01:37:31.300what you would call them like psychics or something like that but they will they will start by speaking
01:37:36.260to entities in the spiritual realm like asking them to come forward asking them to do x y and z
01:37:41.940identify themselves say wow you know and then i've been to a tarot card reader once and there was
01:37:48.260none of that um you know and i imagine you kind of each individual brings their own whatever baggage
01:37:55.780uh to the situation and i'm sure if you were doing tarot card readings you could be like
01:38:00.740you know any spirits want to do it with us you know like that sort of a thing um but that wasn't
01:38:06.580what i got and so i don't know it's a fascinating and and these these cards are
01:38:12.660weird i mean they're symbolically metaphysical they're they're dealing with archetypes archetypes that
01:38:17.540seem to be true about the the nature of reality and uh and some of them resonate with individuals
01:38:23.460it seems like we're all in some ways um a little bit less unique than we think like i i used to look
01:38:31.540at numerology and i i would recognize i'm like it does kind of seem to me that dependent upon the day
01:38:38.260that you were born um you were imbued with certain personality traits and and that that are defined by these
01:38:46.500numbers and so i'm going like is that the system that we all pass through in order to to get you
01:38:53.060know because it goes into that like nature versus nurture um concept why you might have several
01:38:59.220children raised in the same household raised by the same parents who all had similar upbringings but are
01:39:04.420drastically different and and so that really flies in the face of of nurture right um and then i would
01:39:11.380look at these numbers and somebody would go oh i don't know you but here's your birthday thing and
01:39:18.100according to these numbers there's no spirits involved it's more like a google search result
01:39:23.140like all right well this number is associated with this which might mean that you have this going on
01:39:27.220and that number is associated with that which might mean you have that going on and in conjunction
01:39:31.060these things might play like that and you go that's weird because it's accurate
01:39:35.060yeah you know and so uh you know we we i would consider that we're this is a christian show and
01:39:41.780i would definitely consider myself a christian i didn't believe in jesus christ for the longest time
01:39:46.100not that i didn't um not that i believed he wasn't real but that i just i was like it just didn't feel
01:39:54.100not not at least the the the commercialized westernized kind of version of of christ that we get
01:40:00.580um that appears in in you know your sitcoms or whatever however they do it uh there's a you
01:40:06.580know i think la marzulli says we have a truncated version of christianity here in the west and um
01:40:12.100over time i realized that there certainly is something to this and it ended up you know showing
01:40:18.820me enough that it garnered my focus and the more that i focus on it the more that it just seems to be
01:40:22.500this this you know fruit that keeps on giving um but i recognize that within the christian
01:40:29.060community there is like this uh you know really big hesitation to touch any of these things which
01:40:34.580in some ways i agree with i do think that we don't understand the spiritual realm at all
01:40:40.500and i think that's been pretty clear by this conversation just we're in this materialism
01:40:44.660paradigm and if you don't know the territories that you're getting in um it can be very dangerous
01:40:50.740right that's like not knowing how to swim and jumping in the ocean and then finding that it's
01:40:54.820inhabited by all kinds of horrifying creatures and also you're going to drown
01:40:58.020um so i do think that that that is worth consideration but i think that there are a lot
01:41:05.780of things and i don't know where the line is you know it's it's uh it's just something that i'm i'm
01:41:10.740trying to cautiously navigate because i don't know where the line is right right and i've been aware of
01:41:15.460that too throughout my whole journey with everything because i felt like for a while i really needed to
01:41:21.780to understand what's happening in the occult world what are all these groups doing what are they
01:41:27.300talking about what are the symbols that they're putting out there you know so i read a ton of that
01:41:32.420material and what's happening with black magic i felt like i really needed to understand what was
01:41:36.980going on with all of that stuff and at no point was i ever interested as an example of performing
01:41:44.180somebody's ritual even though i had read about all that kind of stuff you know that's just not my style
01:41:48.740i don't really want to do that because i knew full well i'm like i don't even know what i'm doing
01:41:52.580here i'm curious and so i feel like i'm going to allow myself to read it um but i'm not going to
01:41:59.060sort of perform any of these things i'm not going to engage in it on sort of that next level because
01:42:04.100i don't really know what's happening but i've seen so many people where they jump head in and
01:42:10.100they're like all about it and i've seen some horror stories about all of that too people not
01:42:15.060knowing what they're doing and finding themselves in trouble yeah yeah what is what does nancy say
01:42:19.780here i can't read it from this far away she's asking the type of deck you use oh yeah see there
01:42:25.060she goes nancy's very nice gotcha um nosy nancy yeah so basically uh i love the rider weight and so
01:42:34.020that's what i have right here i had it in case there was anything i wanted to show or what have you
01:42:38.420right this is the uh chariot card and it's a classic deck for a reason and i'll say that when i first
01:42:44.900started the deck i gravitated to first was the crowley deck the thoth deck and there's a lot of
01:42:50.420really interesting things about that deck and i actually think that that's the best thing he put out
01:42:55.300i don't really care for a ton of the other stuff that he did or or works that he did but
01:42:59.540i was actually a big fan of the the poem about the hooker's farts that was my that's your favorite
01:43:04.740yeah yeah so um so i'm not like a huge crowley guy um i felt like i needed to understand why do why
01:43:13.300are people so attracted to him and like what's going on there and so i read a bunch of stuff
01:43:17.780about you know him being an agent and you know all that kind of stuff too you know um but i i like the
01:43:23.380deck the deck actually has symbolic value there's a few things in there that are very very intriguing
01:43:28.180but the older i get and the more i study the more i favor the rider weight deck actually the
01:43:33.940rider weight deck is like this perfect blend of like updating the symbolism but the artwork is beautiful
01:43:40.580and there's just like a lot going on with some of these cards that you wouldn't even you don't see
01:43:46.420it the first year or two that you're even looking at the cards but you might see it the third or fourth
01:43:50.660year or ten years down the road or whatever so i feel like it can kind of be uh it's a tricky deck
01:43:55.860in a way um in that the depth is almost um deeper than what you think then you when you first initially
01:44:02.660see a card so that is one of my favorite decks for sure i might even say it's my favorite deck now
01:44:06.900actually over the thought deck that's interesting you know that that tarot card reader um he he
01:44:13.700basically just told me that uh um i was in an occupation where i was like speaking a lot
01:44:21.620and i was at the time i had started a a show and it was like in its infancy and i go yeah and she and
01:44:28.740he's like well you do like one thing you've got like your foot in both worlds where you're like you
01:44:33.060want to do that thing but you're doing this other thing and the other thing's making you money right
01:44:37.300now um and he's like i think if you keep doing the the thing that you want to do it's going to work
01:44:42.660out and he's like i think you'll end up uh being successful and you're probably gonna like end up
01:44:48.340traveling a lot and all that kind of stuff and meanwhile right now i'm i'm traveling uh for that
01:44:54.180purpose i'm i'm you know two hours away by plane uh at chops studios if you're in meadow on new jersey
01:45:01.140chop studios um so but you know it's it's interesting because it doesn't i don't know
01:45:07.300like i get people hesitation and and even like you know i i go back and forth like was that the
01:45:15.300right thing to do i i was in new orleans new orleans is a very dark place and and even that night you
01:45:21.060know i had something banging on my window i'm on the on the third floor of a hotel with no balcony
01:45:27.540something's banging on my window at the stroke of midnight wow and then i try to go back to sleep
01:45:33.540because i think it's in my head next thing you know it's banging on the door and my wife sits up
01:45:38.100at a bed and i go to the door and i look through the people nobody's there i go i'm not gonna open
01:45:43.140the door uh so we just sit down and we watch because we're so creeped out we're just like i guess i'm
01:45:48.100just gonna watch you know some shows now uh until we can go back to sleep but you know the whole thing
01:45:53.700was a strange experience and you know what it is it's like um where christians even even the more
01:46:01.940like skeptical christians about like all all these things are correct is that we don't understand and
01:46:08.180this has been pretty evident to me the the many ways in which we will um uh what's what's the word i'm
01:46:16.100looking for uh uh not concede we will give permission to we will consent to a thing interacting
01:46:23.940with us i think there are in the spiritual realm that are constantly petitioning us to to gain some
01:46:28.980rights to us to interact with us in some way um and i think we we hand over those rights and consents
01:46:36.100in a million little tiny ways that we don't realize daily and and then before you know it you
01:46:41.700know you're having this like i want to ask you when you were uh using these night vision goggles
01:46:46.820and you started to see these things and there is some viewer it's almost like schrodinger's ufo right
01:46:52.180like the act of observation determines whether or not this thing there's like some quantum
01:46:56.260thing happening um determines whether or not it interacts with you uh did you start to have
01:47:03.140was there anything in your in your life outside of looking at the sky with you know night vision
01:47:08.420that started to get strange because oftentimes they'll be associated with this like yeah then
01:47:13.460there was poltergeist activity then there was weird nightmares and sleep paralysis then there was just
01:47:17.460just not even it doesn't have to be negative but like high strangeness starts happening right right
01:47:23.380you know i can't say for myself that there was anything like that necessarily uh there were a few
01:47:29.860things kind of like that with my wife and so uh that was interesting i had never considered that maybe
01:47:36.900that they are related in some way shape or form and um you know i'll be completely honest with you
01:47:42.580guys too when it comes to this dynamic spirits and these types of interactions or whatever i feel like
01:47:47.940i'm really dense in a lot of ways and so i'm like really dense and so something may happen and someone
01:47:53.780might be quick to be like oh dude that's because of this or that or whatever and i'm more i try and
01:47:57.860rationalize it away or something along those lines right and so i can't say i was personally affected
01:48:02.980with anything uh like that but i'll say that what happened while actually viewing these things
01:48:08.980that was really potent that kind of uh feeling as though something was really happening that was
01:48:14.900significant or very very eerie you know we kind of got shaken to our core a couple of times
01:48:20.020you know where we see something really significant and then we're like okay i think
01:48:23.860we're good now like we we saw we got more than what we bargained for yeah it's time to go home now
01:48:28.580you know it's one in the morning and we just got tripped out by this thing yeah one of the things
01:48:34.500the story that i always think of is we were just at a school in portland oregon late at night nobody
01:48:40.580was around and i used to have um a laser as well like a really powerful green laser so anytime i saw
01:48:47.860anything in the sky i would point my laser at it of course you know i'm not going to point it at
01:48:53.140anything i think could be a helicopter or a plane or something right right but i would point it at
01:48:58.900things and i saw up in the sky a ball of light with a smaller ball of light and these two lights were
01:49:07.380kind of dancing around each other it almost seemed like a dog fight or something like that but they
01:49:11.780were definitely interacting with each other and i pointed my laser in their direction and as soon as i
01:49:18.340did that i actually hit one and so you can see when the laser hits something in the sky it like
01:49:23.220lights up it illuminates right yeah and so it lit up and as soon as that happened the dense ball of
01:49:29.300light completely took off and then the uh larger ball of light which kind of looked a little fuzzy
01:49:36.020it came down it started sweeping the horizon and there is these trees and i would estimate that
01:49:41.940these trees were maybe like a hundred yards away or something like that uh maybe less and i thought full
01:49:47.700well that it was just going to disappear behind these trees it did not disappear behind those
01:49:52.260trees it actually started coming towards us and i'm following it with my laser the whole entire time
01:49:57.540so my wife could see exactly like what it was doing basically and it basically went into the schoolyard
01:50:05.060and started hovering over the ground it basically came right towards us and then literally went through us
01:50:10.900you know so yeah so it was really bizarre to see it all the way up in the sky and then actually have
01:50:16.180this sort of interaction and i don't know any other way of putting it but when it went through
01:50:20.500us i just got the chills you know it gave me the chills it kind of gave me the goosebumps i got freaked
01:50:24.900out um you know and that's when we kind of like decided to go so you got a good look at it i mean this
01:50:31.620is just like a ball a dense ball of light it was basically just an orb yeah it was an orb fuzzy ball
01:50:37.060of light kind of thing yeah that's so there's no it didn't feel like there was no uh sense of any like
01:50:42.740real material construction to it it was just kind of like illuminated you know so and was there any
01:50:48.740sense of like a like a atmospheric disturbance or anything like that like wind or a whooshing or
01:50:54.340anything as it passed by you or through you or no i didn't detect anything like that everything i
01:51:00.500felt was like internal basically you know yeah so you know you gotta wonder it's like okay so then
01:51:06.660well yeah what the hell is that it literally went through us so this phenomenon is like uh it's
01:51:12.740crazy because it's like people that are dabbling with ufos people that are dabbling with night vision
01:51:17.220goggles we had a guy uh colin i was just speaking with colin again uh dabbling with psychedelics and
01:51:24.100eventually ends up contacting entities over and over and over again and then that sort of shifts away
01:51:30.180and now his new thing is uh these orbs the same sort of thing but like in his house going through
01:51:35.780him his his girlfriend as well so it's like i don't know where to put this i don't know where to
01:51:41.540put that phenomenon because it shows up consistently over at least three different types of avenues three
01:51:48.660like the three the night vision goggles are a brand new one to me so i'm like very happy about
01:51:54.180my favorite though is when they look at the the orbs and like every once in a while you'll get some
01:51:59.700picture and you're like there's a face in that orb dog yeah like and then the people basically saying
01:52:04.500it's it's like a reductive version that doesn't require a ton of energy for these things to inhabit
01:52:09.940and travel around and you know you imagine it takes a lot of energy to manifest um and then it doesn't
01:52:15.780take so much energy to manifest as just an or nancy nancy's pulling up comments she's got a question
01:52:20.500we have to we have to do uh to wrap it up though in a minute because i don't want david to have to
01:52:24.740pay another another 90 another 90 dollars um and maybe if you mention their name again they'll let
01:52:31.700you hang up in matawan new jersey what what is she asking over here he she wants to know if uh mario
01:52:39.060has tried ce5 uh i don't know what that is is it close encounter five i think don't tell them
01:52:46.180even greer thing it's he's basically he's gonna do it he's gonna do it don't tell him
01:52:50.340that they're using to summon in uh so basically it just expedites the process of of almost exactly
01:52:57.860what you were doing i see i see gotcha yeah no i've never tried to call them in i've never tried
01:53:03.700to meditate and and sort of create anything i've always just tried to be an observer with everything
01:53:08.980yeah well it's interesting because if you start to communicate with them then how do you like close
01:53:13.380that line of communication you know what i mean like this is the problem you start calling hey come
01:53:17.940hang out and they're like hey i'm here and you go this is the problem colin had he's he's opened
01:53:23.300up the door for communication and every time i talk with him like hey were you able to close it he's
01:53:28.020like no they're still just showing that's not cool yeah yeah i should try asking leave well uh we do
01:53:33.860have to wrap it up because they're gonna charge me and uh uh but i want to ask you before we get
01:53:38.580out of here um are you having fun mario oh yeah dude no this is great you guys are super chill to talk
01:53:45.300too and i'm enjoying the conversation absolutely i mean more so like in in your studies and your
01:53:50.580pursuits oh did he blank out i think so they cut him off what's that no i said they they have you on
01:54:00.740like a little timer they're like he's done go ahead you you blanked out but i was i was saying uh that
01:54:06.500you put out a hefty amount of information on a regular basis and i don't think you do that if like
01:54:13.140you're not having fun it's a it's it's kind of labor intensive um not only what you're presenting
01:54:18.980to the public but also the research that you're doing i imagine the answer is like yeah you have
01:54:22.820to you've got to genuinely love this yep definitely man i mean to be honest with you even more than
01:54:28.660design or art i feel like i found my true calling i found like i found my purpose you know and so uh
01:54:35.300it's the gift that keeps on giving once i started putting out symbolic information my awareness of
01:54:41.140symbolism continued to grow exponentially because of everything people are you know sharing with me
01:54:47.140the links people send the insights and everything else and so um they say that basically you know back
01:54:53.380in the day in this golden age every sort of occupation was also a priesthood that there was a sacred
01:54:59.620aspect to whatever you're doing whether you were a baker or a farmer or a mason or anything and so i
01:55:05.380feel like me finding symbolism is my equivalent with design is that by pursuing design and art for
01:55:11.140so long i've now found sort of the priesthood within that field which is basically symbolism
01:55:17.060metaphysics all that kind of stuff that's very cool very cool well um i'm glad that we finally
01:55:22.420got to talk i've been a fan of your work for a while continue being a fan i highly recommend
01:55:26.100everybody go and check it out because it's it's one thing like i said at the top of the show to point
01:55:30.340and just go like it's the illuminati they're doing it again uh and it's another thing to understand
01:55:36.740that uh symbols are we didn't even get into we didn't even get into shapes like basic shapes
01:55:45.940things i wanted to ask him if i wasn't going to get charged uh like even just as simple as why is that
01:55:51.300why are the backs of the tarot cards yellow because we talked about but you can't tell me now uh you'll
01:55:55.380have to come back mario um but before we wrap this up let everybody know where they can find
01:56:00.340your work for sure so symbolicstudies.com once again is uh the best place to find all of my links
01:56:06.580instagram youtube twitter all that kind of stuff and of course i'd be happy to come back and talk
01:56:11.140about symbolism i did a whole presentation called illuminati symbolism by the way nice that would be
01:56:16.820really fun to get into uh but yeah man thanks again for having me thanks for the invite thanks for
01:56:21.780coming this is a pleasure genuine pleasure um all right top you got to wrap it up they're gonna i
01:56:26.660know they're gonna chart and they're gonna do it all right guys uh thank you for hanging out again
01:56:31.940another great episode of nds and i think we're done for this week so we'll see you next time and until
01:56:36.740then don't forget to obey submit and comply
01:56:40.660the greatest hypnotist on planet earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room it is constantly
01:56:48.340telling us what to believe is real you can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there
01:56:56.020is to see because they'll be in the face of an explanation and they have