Nephilim Death Squad - Age of Deceit, Tucker, Zionism & The Great Deception w⧸ Canary Cry Podcast

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00:00:58.540 welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of nephilim death squad i am david lee

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00:02:40.280 that one no well i don't know who's gonna wear acidic jew out in public great guests today

00:02:45.480 joining us today is uh gonz and basil of canary cry radio guys let's let's introduce yourselves uh

00:02:52.740 like i said we have a lot of fans that wanted to have this happen and so i'm glad that we're making

00:02:57.020 it happen let's start with gonz tell everybody a little bit about where they can find you and what

00:03:01.880 it is that you guys do all right well my name is gonz i had started the face like the sun ministry back

00:03:09.700 in 2011 it was a website that turned into a youtube channel and i published a documentary called age of

00:03:15.920 deceit fallen angels and the new world order and it went semi-viral four or five six million views or

00:03:21.980 something at this point and uh in 2012 um ran into basil actually we were working back to back in a

00:03:29.700 church we were both on the tech team i was doing audio he was doing video we'd walk into the same room

00:03:34.760 not talk to each other do our business and then and go away and uh it was a i think it was like a bible

00:03:40.180 study at some point that uh we found out that we have similar interests and we started talking about

00:03:47.240 different things and we're like hey we should start a podcast because we've been talking about this stuff

00:03:51.980 anyway and so we did that and so we published our first episode on i think it was march 2012 was the

00:03:59.240 first episode of canary cry radio and we've been doing it ever since we spun up canary cry news talk

00:04:05.940 in 2016 and uh yeah it all came crashing down in 2021 when all of the channels got suspended indefinitely

00:04:14.840 but we we got it all back uh right thanks trump well there you go i'm glad that you guys got it back

00:04:21.120 what did you get uh suspended for specifically you guys are talking uh politics or yeah say it again

00:04:25.500 right now so that we can see it on our channel one of them specifically there's we've gone through

00:04:31.920 several different sort of bannings i mean you get you get put on time out like two or three times

00:04:37.740 before you actually lose the channel and we've lost like three channels and gained them back so

00:04:42.080 like a total of 10 times so you know 10 different reasons but my favorite was uh we got put in time

00:04:49.440 out for cyber bullying bill gates that was a good one that's a nice one dude that deserves like an

00:04:57.140 award on a shelf yeah it wasn't even like medical misinformation you know we got that stuff we got

00:05:02.820 those a lot we got everything but yeah those happened but cyber bullying bill gates was the funniest one

00:05:09.080 in my opinion i love that well all right before we go any further uh basil please uh tell us a little

00:05:14.060 bit about you it's funny they're kindred spirits of yours audio video in the church uh oh yeah yeah

00:05:19.200 isn't that interesting um tell us about yourself before we get started brother yeah no worries like

00:05:23.980 i said worked in the church there with guns back in 2012 back when like it was totally it still blows

00:05:30.820 my mind it's like i was the big conspiracy theorist my friend group and it was because i was telling

00:05:36.080 everybody that facebook is watching everything you do wow and repost facebook and of course i was like

00:05:45.660 the craziest guy right so it was a totally different world kind of getting into you'll see if you go back

00:05:51.600 and look at canary cry radio on apple podcasts other places our first three episodes were like you know

00:05:57.960 internet tracking the utah data center and like obamacare eugenics got a little transhumanism

00:06:05.680 yeah and like that was just wild and now you know i'm happy but also a little bit weirded out that

00:06:12.860 we live in a world that all those topics are just mainstream now they're spoken about by candace owens

00:06:19.120 yeah right yeah yeah candace owens and tucker carlson point by point all of our episodes for the last 15

00:06:26.160 years in a couple of interviews which is crazy the fun part is oh oh yeah seeing our early guests who

00:06:33.680 again themselves were just like early weirdos biblical prophecy scholars you know these that

00:06:41.040 couldn't you couldn't find them anywhere just the fringiest podcasts and now they're going on

00:06:46.200 tucker carlson and candace owens i mean it's really fun to watch very happy for them look god bless

00:06:52.420 wherever god wants us to be we're gonna be there who wants all that attention and trouble anyways uh

00:06:59.340 but you know it's it's it's just kind of weird that way and the fun part for me is i will never

00:07:05.080 do anything in my life or career that won't be totally overshadowed by the success of gonz's age of

00:07:12.680 deceit film i still don't think it's true but i'm off the hook i feel i'm just so grateful for that

00:07:19.720 you know i'm here to support gonz age of deceit one two three four go check them out you know we

00:07:26.220 still love getting the messages from people like yo i watched age of deceit in 2012 and it brought me

00:07:33.600 to christ and it changed my life like bro that movie's like 14 years old i cannot believe

00:07:39.880 that it's still being so impactful so very proud of my buddy gonz happy to support him i've of course

00:07:46.680 gone through several rounds of uh side projects that um our community is uh you know this is a nice

00:07:55.000 little niche community but the fun part is looking around and seeing guys like you and uh other

00:08:02.200 people really putting in the work and making stuff happen that we're just uh you know so amazed to be

00:08:07.300 in this timeline it's a weird place to be though i got a question right off the bat so you guys met in

00:08:12.840 church you still going to the same church together no no no well no we've moved on yeah it was uh it was

00:08:20.120 it was this kind of big mega church not to make a whole rabbit trail out of it but you know we were

00:08:25.160 both working for this big mega church which is basically like working for a corporation at one

00:08:29.860 point um like like you mentioned we didn't we wouldn't even talk to each other we worked in the

00:08:34.460 same room and it wasn't until like what was it uh it was a weekly wall street it was bible meeting

00:08:42.120 yeah it was a tech meeting for the tech crew and somehow you know this the very corporate church

00:08:48.720 folk were like hmm should we address the occupy wall street movement going on and it was i can't even

00:08:55.320 it was either gonz or i and we're like yeah but what about the nephilim or something like that

00:09:00.100 amen that's awesome i can imagine not well received huh yeah you know we were the weirdos but um

00:09:07.080 anyways we don't need to keep telling that story but it's a long story short no we're not with that

00:09:12.580 church anymore god bless them though they're doing great still it is a it's a weird time to be

00:09:18.340 you guys have been doing it for a long time our show we just passed the the two-year mark but i've

00:09:23.680 been uh an unhinged i was at occupy wall street you know when i was a kid and i've been into conspiracies

00:09:29.500 for a really long time and i i got to admit i don't think it was ever in my like my bingo

00:09:36.880 card that one day this would be pretty well regarded widely received by a giant swath of the

00:09:44.740 general public and that you know you'd have people like candace owens or tucker carlson talking about

00:09:50.600 the nephilim right like that was a weird moment to see and for us in particular was really weird

00:09:56.720 because we started a show called nephilim death squad and only a few months later i mean it really

00:10:02.760 worked to our advantage in regards to the algorithm for tucker carlson to be talking about those things

00:10:08.200 but it was like dude i thought that i was like doing something a little fringy you know what i

00:10:13.000 mean and then all of a sudden uh good old tucker carlson with a mouthful of zin is is talking about

00:10:17.340 the nephilim with uh roseanne barr and i'm going all right i guess we'll just stop yeah no i don't

00:10:23.100 know what to do no we didn't stop no no you guys did great and by the way just you know

00:10:28.920 podcaster to podcaster you guys absolutely nailed the branding love it love the logo love the vibe

00:10:35.820 everything somebody might think that this sounds sarcastic or something but totally not totally on

00:10:41.320 board thank you very much dude and you've been nailing it ever since you started what 2023

00:10:46.760 uh i guess so yeah it would have been october um when when we decided to make this thing go and

00:10:54.920 we didn't really know what the heck we were doing we just knew that we believed in god and and really

00:10:59.540 wanted to talk about the supernatural in particular and then you know uh mix that up with some conspiracy

00:11:04.540 uh and then we found that we had a comedic bone that was nearly to our detriment um but but you know

00:11:12.040 that was it that was the whole formula it wasn't really uh anything uh profound and yeah i mean you

00:11:18.140 know i had this notion in the beginning that we were going to like enter this community of

00:11:23.720 you know schizo content creators and then i realized pretty quickly like oh we're all schizo

00:11:29.560 so this is actually a little bit harder than it looks because as soon as you find any modicum of

00:11:34.340 success whatever that even means it's like who was previously your schizo friend is now your your fed

00:11:40.220 suspector right and they're like no way dude i don't believe that this is so yeah man it's been a

00:11:45.720 it's been a wild ride uh a strange one but i guess that's what we signed up for right yeah well and

00:11:51.000 just to kind of you know give you guys some confirmation and just for what really has blown

00:11:56.940 my mind lately and i i imagine that a lot of your audience can um you know can kind of empathize or

00:12:04.060 identify with this when we started doing what we were doing in 2012 we actually uh recorded the first

00:12:12.240 few episodes of our podcast in the church that we were working at on church equipment technically

00:12:19.260 during work hours we were given a green light we were given a green light to do it so it's not like

00:12:24.940 we just did it behind the backs of well okay guys look it's the the the statute of limitations is over

00:12:31.120 we may have been doing it on work hours i don't know i don't remember as long as i clocked out i don't

00:12:35.380 know about you but i remember what what broke our heart really early on is about episode two three

00:12:43.500 four something like that we got a knock on the door and our manager our boss at the time well it's

00:12:50.600 more or less long story short said look what you guys are doing with this podcast is not kingdom work

00:12:58.000 so we can't let you do it here we can't let you use the time and equipment you got to figure

00:13:05.420 something out this isn't you know for the kingdom and you know that was at the time that kind of

00:13:11.780 devastating to us a little bit but you know we're young we're like uh screw these guys okay we're gonna

00:13:16.760 keep going we're gonna make it happen um but what's been really incredible especially in the time that

00:13:22.900 we're in now is watching just how important to the kingdom of god just how many people found their

00:13:31.500 way to christ specifically through conspiracy theories through uh authoritarian skepticism through

00:13:40.000 the nephilim through biblical prophecy you know there's an aspect that you can get into these sort

00:13:46.000 of topics without necessarily like giving your life to christ uh just out of interest just out of

00:13:52.040 you know almost a sort of um you know the conspiracy entertainment in a way because there are so

00:13:58.480 many obvious concrete connections between biblical prophecy and the events happening right around us

00:14:04.640 nobody can deny it and you don't even have to be a christ follower to put in the work and look at

00:14:10.700 bible prophecy and the connection you go actually hold the phone wait a second and the amount of stories

00:14:17.480 we hear now of people who you know we we right now have people messaging us like hey you know i'm an

00:14:24.880 atheist or i'm agnostic and but i just love what you guys are doing and i think you guys are on to

00:14:30.140 some things and we also get stories of like hey i found you guys in 2016 i ended up giving my heart to

00:14:36.540 the lord in 2018 and god bless this has nothing to do with us but we're in this weird timeline which is

00:14:43.480 just how kind of god works the most unexpected backwards you know the wisdom of the world is

00:14:50.500 foolishness to god right and so the idea that these super hyper fringe topics that have all the weight of

00:14:59.640 the tech establishments the narrative establishment the government establishment coming down on these

00:15:05.980 topics to silence to you know ridicule to call them right-wing terrorists or whatever they want to call it

00:15:13.180 uh it's because there's something powerful about these topics that not only opens people's eyes to

00:15:20.520 what's going on in the world you you begin to be able to look at the news and see past the veil and

00:15:25.840 you know understand what's going on but also inevitably be led to christ because that's just

00:15:32.740 how the universe is set up it's just inevitable that that happens so you know being old timers that we

00:15:40.760 like to think of ourselves now uh on one hand it's like mind-blowing that we're here but on the other

00:15:46.160 hand we just see an amazing movement going on specifically you know with guys like you and other

00:15:51.920 people in the space like you say the schizo posters um so you know where our minds are just blown every

00:15:57.880 day we're just so grateful for them this uh it's it's funny it's kind of like a blockbuster

00:16:04.300 missing the opportunity of getting netflix uh ground floor when they're presented they're like

00:16:09.400 that's never going to go anywhere yeah like this is not of the kingdom it's like okay we'll do

00:16:13.120 something else so we ended up picking up matt heppner who's just a straight-up g and we're doing a

00:16:18.860 a deep dive bible study on the book of jude which is something that you're not going to hear preached

00:16:23.460 at a megachurch we're talking about these men uh making merchandise of their of their flock

00:16:30.040 their how they've taken god's word and turned it into lasciviousness and it's like okay let's talk

00:16:34.980 about that let's go through the scripture because this is stuff that you can't talk about but here

00:16:38.660 we have this platform and we're going to do it anyway and i don't know i don't know how to feel

00:16:43.700 about the modern day church we still go we go to a 501c3 establishment and the very nice people i like it

00:16:49.280 but there is a place for that and there's a place for whatever we're doing here yeah yeah i i feel like

00:16:57.500 they might be in they might be in contention with each other right now they shouldn't be

00:17:03.580 but by its nature they will be so we're gonna see what happens but like whatever i'm just we're gonna

00:17:09.440 read the bible and uh yeah right on no i mean yeah like we said we i was born in a christian family my

00:17:21.220 mother and father were pastors gans has a different story came to christ in his adult age so we have

00:17:26.980 kind of those two different experiences i you know part of the the part that i don't know i kind

00:17:35.040 of end up having a little bit of a an attempt to balance these technically kind of really drastic

00:17:42.580 views of things but you know because of how i was raised because of my parents you know i was in

00:17:47.960 church leadership for pretty much my entire life either from just being in the worship band or being on

00:17:54.500 the tech team or being some sort of associate pastor you know forever so i kind of have this

00:18:00.700 idea of uh you know the difficulties the the weirdness the the um practicalities the pragmatism

00:18:11.460 of like the 501c3 church establishments especially in america kind of like having to run like a business

00:18:18.480 unfortunately um and there's a lot of places for that you know and it it's one way that we that

00:18:25.460 human beings have attempted to build a container for the big c church you know god's church the people

00:18:33.480 of god to have a time to come together to try to figure out this body of christ family thing on earth

00:18:43.260 and it goes wrong all the time and there's so many bad things about it and at the same time you know

00:18:50.240 i try to recommend people try to at least find a body around like find a group of christians doesn't

00:18:58.480 have to be a church could be you just gather and who knows worst case scenario you could just make

00:19:04.580 some friends in a podcast you know and you do that in person i think would be better but yeah you know

00:19:10.660 it's a huge um it's one of the biggest problems that i think christians or christ followers or

00:19:18.840 whatever you want to call yourself have today is finding this balance between like okay the established

00:19:25.520 traditions of christendom and having these ways of being with one another uh at the same time

00:19:34.940 understanding like yeah it's just another kind of creation of man and it's going to go bad

00:19:40.320 a hundred percent of the time just depends on when and in what way um and it's a good opportunity to

00:19:46.240 figure out how to have some grace for other human beings which is not an easy thing to do but it has

00:19:51.620 its moments of brilliance i see behind gone so i i'm i'm a guitar player as well and i met my wife

00:19:58.340 playing my wife yeah don't do that good man um i met my wife playing guitar in the church that i got

00:20:06.580 kicked out of a year whatever um it's a long time it happens we've been kicked out of tribe and kicked

00:20:13.500 out of churches too so yeah yeah hell yeah

00:20:16.340 we meet matt and matt's very much like he's like man 501c3 uh what does he call it uh cemetery school

00:20:25.620 cemetery school yeah like puns or bad puns like i hear you brother but like i can't for me i'm giving it

00:20:32.220 a second chance because i know that i messed up uh the first time with with the whole church thing

00:20:36.660 and i think it's a good avenue like like you just said uh basil that's a good avenue for people to uh

00:20:41.020 explore this idea because they're coming at it from all different directions i used to do a racist

00:20:45.660 comedy show somehow we had people come into the shop just today yeah like yeah yeah we're here because

00:20:51.000 we like tower gang and then it led us to nds and that that leads us to christ and i was like all right

00:20:56.080 you know whatever that's the path um but the moments of brilliance that the 501c3 church does

00:21:02.260 have i i've experienced it personally in the worship and it's like yeah sure it's like five songs and a

00:21:08.920 sermon and it's like you know basic worship music with a hook and a chorus and a lot of the songs are

00:21:15.680 the same but what do you what do you think about that specifically gonzo because i i'm assuming you play

00:21:21.160 in church if you're a tech guy you got those okay you're probably running uh axe effects are you

00:21:27.780 running the three i have a um i'm looking at my boss gt 1000 pedal for all my stuff i i actually just

00:21:35.980 took on a job as a worship leader at my church so um nice yeah so that that was a big step for me but

00:21:41.940 yeah you know it's it's interesting you guys bring up a lot of of good points because the i'm at a

00:21:49.660 lutheran church and i don't really consider myself a lutheran but we like kind of the the mix between

00:21:55.040 uh the traditional type of service and now i'm leading the contemporary service and the people

00:22:00.700 are just amazing you know it's it's all about the connection with the people and the fellowship

00:22:04.060 and i think being internet personalities if you will and talking about things these things on the

00:22:11.800 internet it has been a a catalyst to meet a bunch of people and to connect with people all over the

00:22:18.180 world believers all over the world who are interested in similar topics but the in-person

00:22:23.540 thing is huge right so you got to still have that in-person connection with people with your local

00:22:27.140 community and you know i i there were periods where me and my wife went through different

00:22:32.480 types of uh understanding of scripture if you will nothing heretical but just you know different

00:22:39.020 flavors of of traditions and we came to the point where we were like you know if we want

00:22:45.080 fellowship we're gonna have to just accept that people are going to disagree with us on certain

00:22:51.300 things but as long as the core thing is the core thing i think we can break bread and have fellowship

00:22:55.780 with them and and do church do life together in the local community and the other part of it that i

00:23:01.040 that i think most people underestimate when they're like church shopping or whatever you know i don't know

00:23:06.520 what terms people use now but if they're looking for a church to find and you know usually you're looking

00:23:11.020 for a pastor you like that theology that you may agree with or whatever but you know it's if you

00:23:19.500 are stepping into a church and nobody knows about the topics that you know about from scripture you can

00:23:24.820 be that light you can start those small groups you can be the one to actually facilitate this

00:23:29.620 knowledge and now you have a bunch of believers who are diving into scripture and are fired up about

00:23:34.600 stuff that uh they've probably never even thought about you know there's a our drummer is uh is a

00:23:41.380 little bit older than i am and he he grew up in like the late 80s 90s right so he's like metal guy

00:23:46.620 and he's he has a real rough time playing some of the music because a lot of the modern contemporary

00:23:51.380 stuff is a lot more like toms and you know it's a lot more like dynamics and building and yeah there's

00:23:56.800 a lot of like dynamic stuff and he just wants to to hit those those crash in the hi-hat really hard

00:24:02.080 but even him you know i asked him like hey do you know about the nephilim and he was like oh

00:24:06.680 kind of yeah i've heard about it yeah and when i started to do my whole rant about genesis 6 the

00:24:11.580 nephilim and all that he was like oh this is all in the bible and i was like yeah dude this is all

00:24:15.280 there and so people might know about nephilim and certainly it's a topic that has gotten way more

00:24:21.600 popular in the last couple years uh but still people don't really know they haven't done the deep

00:24:26.580 dive so you can be that person in church that weirdo but once you strike a conversation

00:24:31.900 at a small group or some church event or something like that um you'd be surprised at how people are

00:24:37.920 open to the topic and uh will are willing to learn and dive into scripture with you so you'll find the

00:24:44.080 weirdos you'll find you'll find yeah you'll find them there don't pass up those opportunities you

00:24:49.280 gotta look for the weirdo this is what i'm doing this is like i just started i'm very tentative about

00:24:53.440 volunteering into like uh what you know the music and all that stuff but i'm like i'll help with the

00:24:59.860 sound room something passive i'll help with you know lighter stuff i've seen you and you have that

00:25:04.880 audio video guy and you're like i'm like tell him crazy things every once in a while see how he reacts

00:25:08.940 it always starts it always starts in the sound room or the tech department it always does it whether

00:25:17.200 they're the volunteers or their employees you know the people who are wearing all black and carrying the

00:25:21.980 cameras and turning the knob they're the ones who have like the time and the the lights are dimmed so

00:25:27.700 they can like you know they feel like they're they can talk about this whisper crazy crap to each

00:25:32.740 other did you know that did you know that elijah had like super strength to run you know he ran

00:25:38.160 faster than chariots you hear about that it's kind of crazy right anyway well like i love what you guys

00:25:42.680 are saying though because i had this little i wouldn't call it an epiphany but it was like you might

00:25:47.560 call it like a small voice that kind of dropped this on me while i was in church and i was like i just

00:25:52.680 started going to this church i don't have a history of going to church i really like the pastor i know

00:25:57.960 that he's planning on retiring soon and i said to myself you know as we're going through the motions

00:26:03.140 episode we'll go to whatever we're supposed to talk about i like to talk about somebody needs to hear

00:26:09.260 this here yeah exactly exactly somebody might need to hear this um so as i'm sitting there and they're

00:26:16.020 going through the music and something came up about the pastor retiring i said to myself

00:26:21.040 well i don't know if i'm a big fan of the other pastor and if the other pastor is going to come

00:26:27.160 in am i going to keep coming here i don't know if i'm going to keep coming here and then i kind of had

00:26:30.440 this notion about like well what do i get from this and then i had this follow-up notion that almost felt

00:26:39.140 like a response and it was like what about what you have to offer you know like what about your

00:26:45.100 contribution to the body of christ what about your contribution to all of these people that are

00:26:49.660 standing around you maybe the church which my church is predominantly like 90 year olds you know

00:26:57.400 yeah maybe they need a guy like me maybe they need a guy like you they're closer to the veil

00:27:03.280 they see some things sometimes so you know i just think that that's interesting because it's like yeah

00:27:09.140 what uh maybe you can be that crazy guy who who has a little piece of the puzzle that they're not

00:27:16.080 going to talk about instead of in other words instead of sitting back and being like they don't

00:27:18.840 talk about this at church maybe you should go to church and talk about this that's what it's all

00:27:23.500 about i mean that is what a life of following christ is you know there's a lot of misconceptions about

00:27:28.820 what that is and you know what i love i do a show canary cry clubhouse on thursdays it's a live show

00:27:35.460 a little bit smaller but with our you know it's for the canary cry family we do call-ins and things

00:27:41.200 like that and there's this fella i hope i'm remembering his name right i think his name

00:27:46.020 was james if it wasn't james i apologize for forgetting your name but i think it was james

00:27:50.200 uh you know he told a story about how he again started getting into this kind of thing in 2016

00:27:56.360 wasn't a christian became a christian as a result of these sorts of things is finding out that a life

00:28:03.680 of following christ it kind of is like a bit of a crusade like things don't get easier there

00:28:09.680 generally is like a honeymoon period uh you know when finding christ but then you realize that oh

00:28:15.900 you know taking up our own cross and you know we've the enemy suddenly sees you as an enemy

00:28:22.620 and you start fighting these bad you know there really is this sort of like kind of crusader kind

00:28:27.780 of vibe that happens when you start you know walking in sort of this this path of righteousness and

00:28:35.800 power and redemption and things start coming against you um and in james's story which i think

00:28:42.720 he totally nailed it uh part you go around looking for a church and none of the churches are fun or

00:28:49.000 they're all lame or they're not teaching genesis 6 or they're all old or whatever it is um but as a

00:28:54.660 new christian getting baptized immediately dove in to participation with the church volunteering you

00:29:02.200 became a deacon he started teaching this you know little bible study and and is just totally

00:29:08.060 transforming not the churches the the 501c3 it's little c church is beginning to be shaped by him as the

00:29:17.820 new generation becoming what he needed it to be and you know on the other side of it the the sort of

00:29:25.120 big c church the broader body of christ um you know is coming up around him and that's what the life

00:29:31.520 is all about man i mean that's what we've all had our dalliances with sort of the secular motivations

00:29:40.740 of life and the hedonism and the fun and the parties and the girls and the this and that and there's an

00:29:46.560 inbuilt sort of uh disappointment in that i believe that's where the enemy really feeds off of those who

00:29:53.600 you know we we all spend a period of time really diving into all the wonderful things that life has to

00:30:01.260 offer and uh fulfilling all of our desires as best we can and inevitably end up empty um and then we

00:30:09.560 find christ and we think ah now everything will make sense now everything will be easy now everything

00:30:15.440 and uh there's a saying that's really important to me now because it just was a very difficult time in

00:30:21.400 life the past couple of years um but a very wise person told me this and he says be careful when you

00:30:28.380 ask god for wisdom because what you're asking for is the suffering that brings wisdom and that's

00:30:36.680 really what the i mean that is why a sort of christ following life is a bit of a warrior lifestyle

00:30:42.340 is a bit of a you know make make it happen you know fight your battles both inside and outside

00:30:49.820 because yeah you you run into friction in this world that wouldn't be there if you didn't follow

00:30:56.700 christ but through that friction iron sharpens iron we become you know more perfect we become more

00:31:03.160 christ christ-like um and with that same with the people around us so you know just any encouragement

00:31:09.500 out there to any of your listeners or there's any people and if if you're atheist and agnostic that's

00:31:14.500 great you know just keep doing what you're doing man you don't need to change god's got his eye

00:31:19.320 god's doing his thing i am not worried about anybody who you know has a problem with me talking

00:31:25.220 about christ because you know it's not my job it's god's job and inevitably you know people out there

00:31:31.940 in spaces like this uh are dealing with these exact things and i just want them to know that they are

00:31:39.800 not alone going through those things we've all done it we all are constantly doing it and you know even

00:31:44.980 just coming back to spaces like this i mean you're you're you're on the path man like you're good

00:31:50.880 just keep doing what you're doing uh i also want to say dalliance um brief or casual involvement with

00:31:58.260 something yeah thank you out there because i had to look that up uh i want this for me and for

00:32:05.060 he said that he said dalliances and i said what a fantastic word i've never heard that in my life

00:32:10.280 and i got it i literally have to google it you don't understand he's going to butcher this going

00:32:13.120 forward oh i'm going to say dalliances all the time that's not how you say it sounds like a dance

00:32:18.560 well thanks a lot basil sounds wonderful it's basil basil is a plant um i i do want to say so i want to

00:32:25.460 get your opinion on something because we're talking about what what christ does in your in your life more

00:32:31.640 or less right i mean that's that's kind of the the thousand foot overview and and you know right now

00:32:37.280 um we will earlier in the show we talked about how conspiracy will lead people to christ and and

00:32:42.200 something i always like to attribute to sam triply is he has this quote where he says um conspiracy

00:32:48.040 will lead you to spirituality and spirituality will always lead you to jesus i'm kind of paraphrasing but

00:32:52.280 like that's it if you're really being earnest and you're seeking the truth you in my opinion you're

00:32:57.240 always going to come to that conclusion it's just whether or not you have hang-ups on the way there

00:33:01.900 because maybe you have some i don't know uh mk ultra programming from you know western civilization

00:33:07.960 or whatever whatever your bag is maybe you were raised in the church and it left you burned that's

00:33:12.300 everybody's story right um and so uh i i love that too i'll say to people like oh you know have you

00:33:18.160 ever considered have you considered god and they'll go i went to the i was i was forced to go to church

00:33:23.620 when i was younger and i go oh your parents forced you to go to church i mean there's you know a lot of

00:33:29.660 other horrifying things you could be forced to do but either way you know that's fine so um right now

00:33:35.020 we're experiencing this big uh not resurgence but emergence of peripheral conspiracy awareness

00:33:45.240 and based off of what we said that should lead you to spirituality which should lead you to christ

00:33:51.820 um and we also know that that's a slower process for others it was a slow process for me

00:33:57.980 you know i i can't sit up here and act like i've always known and and been a follower of christ like

00:34:03.620 i was a conspiracy theorist for a long time before i ever so in other words i was a moron for a long

00:34:10.140 time i wouldn't see this thing i wasn't allowing myself to see this thing as viable or true so if it

00:34:18.280 does take some people longer to get there and we're in this moment where a lot of people are asking

00:34:23.360 these questions and then you know you have the the situation with charlie kirk and you can think of

00:34:29.700 that as however you'd like but the fact of the matter is it has created some sort of a renaissance

00:34:37.460 of sorts within christianity and that's great but there's also a lot of stumbling blocks on the way

00:34:46.000 there and so people right now what i see and i wonder if you guys are seeing this are are glomming

00:34:53.400 onto a version of christianity that is inaccurate i was guilty of it myself for a time i wasn't hyper

00:34:59.720 passionate in my being wrong but i i realize now if you go back some time my vision of what it was to

00:35:06.680 follow christ wasn't accurate and it's getting refined as time goes on i fear a lot of people are

00:35:11.420 in that right now are you guys seeing that and what are your thoughts on that dude it is crazy

00:35:16.680 that you're bringing that up that is like a huge part of our conversations you know generally about

00:35:23.040 what we're doing what we do next what's this new phase of history that we're moving into what is it

00:35:30.160 what what's called for you know and you know again on one hand you kind of alluded to it a little bit

00:35:35.380 like we promise we'll talk about the crazy stuff like we promise we'll talk about aliens we promise

00:35:40.200 we'll talk about conspiracy i'm i'm a master segwayer and i'm working us there trust me we're

00:35:44.860 we're gonna do it i have total trust in you guys like that's what being a good guest is it's trusting

00:35:50.320 but i want the the audience to know you know that we deal with this all the time because we see the

00:35:55.760 exact same thing you know between tucker carlson nick fuentes catholicism candace owens all this stuff

00:36:02.200 more people than ever are identifying with christianity in a way and there's even good

00:36:08.980 things that all these people say that you know you i have to give them credit once in a while for

00:36:16.360 saying something that isn't totally ludicrous um but you know for p that we have hit this period

00:36:22.900 in time where people realize we're far enough down thanks to covet i believe we're far enough down

00:36:28.340 enough people are far enough down the rabbit hole fast enough to where we're getting to that point

00:36:33.480 of like oh yeah the news the government the elites the education system everybody have one thing in

00:36:41.520 common and they hate jesus it's the one thing that everybody agrees on it doesn't matter if it's social

00:36:48.820 justice or if it's this or that they all have one thing in common and that is a hate of jesus christ

00:36:55.780 and most people have gone through a lifetime of programming even just from very simple disney

00:37:04.000 shows or whatever where the christian's the bad guy and you know the exclusivity of christ is just so

00:37:11.500 mean and nasty but blah blah blah and we all come to you know everybody seems at once we're coming to

00:37:16.980 the realization of like oh oh there's one thing that truly is the way of a skeptic there's one thing

00:37:25.780 that's truly anti-authoritarian or anti-establishment and that's uh faith in jesus christ okay and and

00:37:35.120 this is great and it's opened up a lot of doors at the same time yes a lot of people and tucker carlson's

00:37:41.900 a great example because he himself will say i wasn't always a christian i'm not a good christian i don't

00:37:48.540 know anything about christianity you know but christianity is good and i consider myself a

00:37:54.540 christian and people will especially people who are are just coming to this knowledge oh well tucker

00:38:01.760 is a christian i should listen to what he has to say well he's already admitted that he isn't the guy

00:38:07.060 to pay attention to when it comes to this well one alternative is nick fuentes who's very confident

00:38:12.220 in his catholicism and you know there's obviously a lot of weaving to do with nick fuentes and in all

00:38:22.300 sorts of ways um and sometimes gonz and i'll sit back and be like i don't even know what to talk

00:38:29.840 about like what to do like all the crazy stories everybody is covering every single crazy story

00:38:35.020 everybody's covering every single thing like are we just going to cover the same thing that tucker

00:38:41.140 just covered we probably should if we cared about numbers if we cared about the quantifiable success

00:38:48.860 that is being an online person um but what we feel very strongly it's just like ah there has to be

00:38:57.020 some earnest focus insanity when it comes to some very basic learning about christ learning about

00:39:08.480 christianity and in a way i mean god help us we kind of feel as guys who have been doing it for so long

00:39:18.360 and strictly you know in the christian space um you know we started right after a classic show called

00:39:26.400 future quake future quake future quake was like they're the yeah he is the grandfather of like

00:39:32.440 fringe christian conspiracy theorists you know bible prophecy he is the man and uh dr future was the

00:39:40.820 guy's name we've had him on the show lovely individual um and he stopped his show right before we started

00:39:48.540 so in a way we felt sort of very i don't know we we stand on the shoulders of giants and it's really

00:39:56.300 easy when our focus is on success as podcasters or success as internet personalities or whatever

00:40:03.140 um to kind of not lean into the the christness that is the most important where are we going in this

00:40:13.320 world what's coming next what you know we're in this weird phase what does the next one look like

00:40:18.600 does the dystopian beast system surveillance state take over and cbd sees lock us in a panopticon of

00:40:24.560 digital you know prison that none of us can escape and drones will fly through our window and blow our

00:40:29.760 brains out if we whatever possibly but what's most important in that case are we do we need to just

00:40:39.400 talk about whatever tucker's talking about or do we just really find a way to focus on really what christ

00:40:48.680 is doing really what christ can do what he's done for thousands of years what that means in our

00:40:54.760 personal lives we'll talk about the nephilim we'll talk about aliens we'll talk about disclosure you

00:41:00.360 know we've been talking about disclosure for 14 years now god bless disclosure you know it's gonna be

00:41:06.800 the most elaborate convincing deception that the devil's ever done it's gonna be great

00:41:15.120 and it'll be fun to watch but in the end if we're not getting very serious about taking christ very

00:41:22.280 seriously and i think that's what people want that's the thing sorry i'm sorry i'm going off

00:41:27.760 gone so no no no you're good man but that's really what's going on is a lot of people when it comes to

00:41:35.160 again i'm just going to pick on tucker and candace and and nick fuentes they can take it there yeah i'm

00:41:40.740 gonna get cyber bullying tucker carlson band you know like that is a huge part of what people

00:41:47.900 want from those three it's what they like from those three you know jesus is king as candace's owens

00:41:54.360 candace owens like crusade that blew up in this whole thing same with nick fuentes like that taking

00:42:00.900 christ serious is what people want in the heart of hearts all right and when the version of taking

00:42:08.880 christ serious is is tucker and fuentes and and owens god bless them no judgment against their

00:42:16.140 faith or their salvation but the message that i think people are getting from them is not a they're

00:42:22.420 not building their foundation on the rock they're they're building their foundation on the sand and like

00:42:27.080 the bible says that's obviously not a good idea because the tide will come out sweep that out you know

00:42:32.620 we already see this with candace the the conversation around candace again not making any

00:42:37.780 rough judgment or hard judgments about candace but the what we see with candace is whatever

00:42:44.280 house she's built and and whatever uh faith people are are gleaning from her um it looks now that it could

00:42:55.480 be swept away oh she's crazy oh she's she's gone off the deep end oh she's talking about reptilian

00:43:01.920 she's talking she's an op whatever it is and if someone has sort of built their relationship with

00:43:07.300 christ what they've learned from candace god bless her um once that foundation is torn out where you

00:43:13.140 left oh she was an op oh she was or whatever i don't you know i'm i don't even know what she is

00:43:18.680 you know but oh i think she's not but whatever what does that mean for what i learned about christ

00:43:27.040 from her what does that mean and that's always been the problem that's even the problem in 501c3

00:43:31.260 churches you know the pastor has some sort of sex scandal and now everybody is wondering not just like

00:43:37.960 well what the heck am i doing here but what about what about my faith that i've built on the knowledge

00:43:46.100 and pastoral ship of this person you know and so i have high and i know people want it and they might

00:43:54.460 not even know they want it but there are places there are people there are groups there are you know

00:43:59.840 your your home church is one example but also online um you know maybe that podcast that isn't just

00:44:07.240 replaying tucker clips all the time and they're talking about kind of less exciting conspiracy

00:44:13.320 theory stuff or they're they're digging into scripture or theology instead of the the latest uh

00:44:20.940 whatever you know trump debacle or something there's something there but i think it it's we're still in

00:44:28.480 that sort of transitionary phase you know the bottom will wash out of of all these other places that

00:44:36.200 people are gleaning or maybe starting their christian journey on the bottom will wash out it happens every

00:44:41.820 time i'm not even saying it as you know as some sort of direct criticism of them we've seen it over

00:44:47.800 and over and over it's kind of the cycle and that's part of building your faith as someone who's been

00:44:53.220 a christian my literal entire life never known a life outside of it there you the christian life is

00:45:00.380 filled with these cycles where whatever you whatever foundation you've been so confident on and you hope

00:45:07.900 it's christ but it's usually not whatever you have it gets washed out every so often it's like the economic

00:45:13.340 cycle it's like the bitcoin cycle it's like it's like everything these these cycles and we're left to

00:45:18.800 rebuild and my hope my prayer is that not only us but you know a whole network guys like you you know

00:45:27.580 uh and others i don't want to start naming names because i'll forget names but you know you get the

00:45:32.820 point um that there will be like a a strong um foundation of albeit smaller probably than imagine

00:45:43.240 being smaller than candace owens uh you know smaller less uh inflammatory less showy but still

00:45:51.320 um filled with you know a christ-like culture that people will you know we just got to push through

00:45:58.100 man i'm sure you guys have felt it recently too there's a weird tide going in and out of even like

00:46:05.060 quantifiable numbers of podcasts and things like that there's this weird movement going on and i think a

00:46:12.600 a lot of people are uneasy about what this means or or what comes next um but i have a lot of faith

00:46:19.380 that not only people doing kingdom work like we do like you do um hopefully uh i always have to

00:46:29.520 ask myself if that's the case now but you know that's what we're trying to do um that's that whatever

00:46:35.760 the next phase is that will be what god wanted that's what god built it you know built up so i

00:46:43.280 kind of wish i had some big bigger point to land on here from this one right no i think you're it's

00:46:49.260 almost like you watched the previous episode with it we just it's weird yeah yeah i guess this show has

00:46:53.560 a tendency to do that kind of thing where i just made that same rant not as good as you did uh

00:46:58.320 but i was just saying like hey you know a lot of people want to glom on to some sort of label

00:47:03.580 whether it's republican conservative liberal democrat whatever whatever it is um i've never

00:47:09.660 put a label on myself because i was like i don't know i just a little bit smarter able to see into

00:47:16.560 the future and be like no no because these guys are infallible this changes these things are never

00:47:21.120 the same but the one label that i will put on myself is christian and not in the sense of the church

00:47:25.820 and i'm like well let's how about you guys look at that label if you're so eager to belong to

00:47:30.440 something why don't you belong to christ why don't you do that and uh i think it's in a stupid but

00:47:35.480 that's that's basically what you just said right now that's what came up in the previous show

00:47:39.340 it's like ah very interesting how this is this is a theme that's coming up because yeah people want

00:47:44.060 they want that label they want that belonging to something or other and you could be a griper

00:47:48.700 uh but that guy's a gay mexican or you could follow candace who you know like i i like what

00:47:57.460 she's doing but i i remember how you came up candace you were building some sort of uh

00:48:01.480 like geo-engineered uh tracking device for your college classmates that would rat on them that's

00:48:08.260 where you came from so we remember these things i've done things in the past too but i'm very

00:48:12.780 suspicious and she's she's not jesus christ why are we looking at her interesting you know but

00:48:19.080 that's the point the point is that you if you fall if you follow candace owens when she falls you fall

00:48:24.860 flat on your face that's what uh basil is saying and then you're angry yeah because you now you're

00:48:30.040 blaming her for something that you know i don't but i don't even know if she's trying to like i guess i

00:48:35.840 guess these people are they're trying to claim leadership over yeah i would say at this point that's

00:48:40.000 pretty obvious but the antidote to that is following christ and and i don't think that that just means

00:48:44.600 in like this peripheral way it's like something that i'm trying to understand and learn which is

00:48:49.080 like actually who is christ what is the character of god you know and and building a relationship with

00:48:56.020 god because i think we're in a time where we're being offered a lot of like god adjacent things

00:49:02.880 you know things that maybe kind of resemble god so we talk on this show pretty often about how

00:49:08.680 you'll get a new age deception and that to people like us seems pretty obvious you know i was joking

00:49:14.160 around the other day because somebody posted a thing about how jesus is a pleiadian and when he

00:49:18.280 returns he's going to return in a blue suit with silver boots and if that's how jesus returned i would

00:49:23.420 go that's not jesus you know because i know enough to know that but the real threat is when something is

00:49:28.600 like close but no cigar right that's the real threat and i think that's what we're getting from people

00:49:33.780 and i'm not saying that that maybe she's an op all these people that we mentioned all the four

00:49:38.140 mentioned characters with the huge following bases and everything it's like are they are they pointing

00:49:43.060 you in the direction of christ or are they standing next to a straw man telling you not to read the bible

00:49:49.360 well that's a huge one right nick fuentes just does that he goes you got to lean on the church

00:49:53.520 fathers and the church itself in order to understand it because uh you know interpretation of the bible by way

00:49:59.560 of fools is what's led to lesbian pastors and you know interesting conversation if you want to have

00:50:04.980 it but he's basically telling you like not to read the bible which i think is is the exact opposite i

00:50:09.320 think if you truly seek the heart of god and you really want to know and the holy spirit will work

00:50:14.780 on you and and these things will be revealed to you in time and you know you spend time it's a personal

00:50:18.800 relationship if i want to have a personal relationship uh with you gonz i don't go to to basil right and and to

00:50:26.200 strengthen my relationship with you i go straight to you and i try to understand who you are and i

00:50:30.300 think that's the weird thing that we're getting is like oh christianity's base we've been told that

00:50:34.380 it's not there's the big lie just like we said before right all the institutions and everything

00:50:38.340 that seek our downfall have that thing in common they hate christ so let's move towards maybe this

00:50:44.000 is something i don't know i don't want to say anything super retarded here but it's like you know

00:50:49.680 are you moving towards christianity as an institution or are you moving towards jesus christ

00:50:54.040 right and i think there is a delineation there there is a a really important difference to

00:50:59.220 highlight so you're moving towards the church but the church is a result of christ you should

00:51:03.620 be moving towards christ and then you become the church and so i you know right now i'm looking at

00:51:08.260 this thing where it's like we spend a lot of time talking about you know big fake pleiadian jesus and

00:51:12.720 we spend a lot of time talking about what the antichrist will be this likable thing that will be

00:51:17.580 imitating christ um but the the real danger is something that is close but no cigar and i feel

00:51:24.540 like that's really what we're gearing up to get great deception yeah yeah yeah i mean yeah we've

00:51:29.720 all been there go ahead we came here to talk about aliens uh i think that might be

00:51:33.780 great thing is and guns i want you to you pop in but the the the amazing thing is and this is

00:51:43.040 something everybody has to remember is that you know true relationship with with christ is the

00:51:47.960 inoculation for the great deception there is true uni like unity relationship with christ and his body

00:51:58.940 that is the only inoculation the the only way to lift the veil from the absolutely convincing

00:52:07.640 counterfeit deception that is coming and that comes in many forms but without christ there is

00:52:14.860 no getting past it this is clear the bible says it the experience that uh we've had over the years is

00:52:22.260 and just as everybody is realizing like oh christ is like the one thing they hate him because he is the

00:52:29.280 one way to move past to see past to survive the great deception the you know and the uh you know

00:52:37.580 alien disclosure obviously being a big part of that yeah well i i wanted to jump in because there's

00:52:45.300 there's a couple things you guys said a lot of stuff i i wanted to hop in a lot of times but

00:52:49.240 to start things off you know there's a a chapter in mark i think luke also um chapter nine it's a passage

00:52:57.140 about the disciples of jesus and they are they see somebody else casting out demons in jesus's name and

00:53:04.900 they they come up to jesus and they're like hey hey this guy is casting out demons in your name but

00:53:08.740 he's not one of us like you need to put a stop to this and jesus says no you know if he's um if do

00:53:13.840 not forbid him he who's not against us is for us and so there's an approach there with the candace

00:53:19.820 owens if they're pointing people who are otherwise never thought about christianity or god or something

00:53:25.420 like that and they get introduced to it great god can use anybody to bring truth uh that being said

00:53:31.660 we are also told to be wise as serpents gentle as doves right so we have to be aware of the deception

00:53:36.660 and in terms of knowing the truth this is an analogy i've heard over the years i don't know who came

00:53:44.100 up with it but when people look for counterfeit currency like people that like go through money and

00:53:50.080 they you know they have to find the counterfeit they have a very keen eye for the fakes because they

00:53:56.100 know the real whatever the the money i mean we can talk about money and how fake money is the problem

00:54:02.260 but in terms of knowing the real thing so that you can spot the counterfeit right and i think that's

00:54:07.080 very much in line with what we're talking about with christ and knowing christ so that we know the

00:54:11.400 counterfeit and the scripture really lays out all the things we need to be looking out for

00:54:15.660 and one of the things that i've noticed in this big cultural boom of christianity first off

00:54:22.040 it's been driven by politics number one which is not new in america america has been

00:54:29.080 uh a nation that uh used christianity for political purposes uh we talked to you know basil mentioned

00:54:37.320 uh future quake the host of that show dr future wrote a book on it i think it's called the the two

00:54:43.360 masters i forget the exact name but basically he talks about and documents how much christianity was

00:54:50.240 used by the intelligences in america to facilitate something like the cold war to facilitate vietnam

00:54:58.000 and and the idea of putting a bible in one hand putting a gun in the other all these things that

00:55:02.700 are very much traditional type of uh political christianity can i just say yeah that seems like

00:55:09.720 the big thing it's like uh pairing this warrior mentality it's like people are willing to align

00:55:17.080 themselves with christianity if it means getting vengeance on some perceived enemy yeah so i'm

00:55:22.420 trying to find the exact date but do you guys know when 150 oh sorry at the uh keep going i was looking

00:55:29.260 for that episode just to give people up so uh the the phrase in god we trust i believe on the money

00:55:37.480 on the currency it first appeared on coins in like the civil war period so 1860 something but you know how

00:55:43.040 it's on the dollar bill i think it says in god we trust that didn't appear until 1957 so it wasn't

00:55:49.520 even on there like this idea of god on money wasn't even there until 1957 you know uh cold war ramping

00:55:55.640 up we got to stop communism uh it's the same thing and it's so there's not a whole lot of difference

00:56:01.200 that i see and especially especially the catholic church i don't know if you guys are catholic but the

00:56:05.840 vatican and their influence on culture and using clergy as cover for all kinds of stuff yeah there's

00:56:12.860 a big history there so so i don't i suspect what's happening now with the tucker carlosons and the

00:56:18.520 candace owens is is very similar in nature and i think there are intelligence factions that are at war

00:56:23.240 and they're using christianity because it's the thing that uh everyone turned to the the basic ethics of

00:56:29.180 christianity because of the fact that it's wholesome and it's you know a little more rooted and

00:56:34.060 basil and i have talked a lot about this cultural shift because you know we started the podcast in

00:56:38.820 2012 this is the heart of obama this is progressivism liberalism you were a crazy person if you're a

00:56:44.700 christian in public about it right you're talking about this stuff in public you're you're just seen

00:56:49.400 as like oh you're just you're not you're not with the times or whatever but i often bring up this

00:56:55.240 cultural phenomenon that took place that we observed and lived through which was they pull things

00:57:00.300 they pull the mainstream view so far in one direction to where it becomes a revolution a

00:57:07.900 revolution is sparked by saying the most obvious thing there are only two genders guys boom million

00:57:13.640 followers you got you know a whole uh platform now you got a podcast you got a tv show whatever so it's

00:57:19.220 like how did that happen from this irrational type of move to all of a sudden you just speak and say

00:57:26.320 the obvious and you have a platform and that really popped off this cultural phenomenon of

00:57:31.580 quote-unquote christianity i'll call it um and within that there's obviously a lot of people who

00:57:36.160 are coming to christ and searching and i think that's fine that's great um in the context of uh what i

00:57:41.840 mentioned earlier with luke 9 and and john chapter 9 but again um as basil was saying uh if you're

00:57:48.460 building your foundation on those personalities that's where things can go really a liar because

00:57:53.080 if they are intelligence ops or some kind of operation to get everybody riled up about

00:57:58.580 something whatever it is you know bridget macron being a man or whatever these issues are and

00:58:02.960 especially now the charlie kirk thing i mean the the tension and everything that's going on there is

00:58:08.060 is just way too much i mean for me i'm like i don't even want to dive into any of that stuff because

00:58:12.460 it's it's just too much and i'm seeing now the opposite side get activated the christian zionist side

00:58:17.880 they're activated they're calling everybody nazis and so the divide and conquer is very obvious

00:58:23.420 and um we're proud to say that we also uh were able to sustain through all these different changes

00:58:30.620 culturally um probably i mean i would say providence and protection from god but also you know we never

00:58:37.920 made it super big like humongous big and there were opportunities especially early on 2016 2017 to put

00:58:45.200 on a maga hat and just be just all in and gain a huge following and do all that we chose not to and

00:58:50.840 we chose to kind of stay even keel and i think that's been to our benefit because we've laid low

00:58:55.660 we're not on the radar of candace owens and all these people who get sucked into that cultural

00:58:59.960 conversation um but we're still examining everything going on and looking for the truth and if you don't

00:59:05.880 have the truth which is in christ then everything else is kind of fodder and i actually wrote an

00:59:12.160 article i think i published in 2011 2012 um it was called the christian conspiracy theorist i think

00:59:18.560 it's still on the internet somewhere but in it i argued that if you're a christian you're default

00:59:25.020 a conspiracy theorist there was a conspiracy to kill christ there was i mean it goes it there's

00:59:31.460 scripture in psalm 2 it talks about the kings of the earth conspire to you know go against the lord

00:59:37.220 you are if you're a believer you are by default a conspiracy theorist and when you start thinking

00:59:43.460 in that way everything becomes a conspiracy right so it's kind of like it can be like a a black pill

00:59:48.700 type of thing if you don't have christ if you don't have the hope that comes with that uh you can think

00:59:53.340 that it's all nonsense and it's all uh for now there's no hope that kind of thing because when when

00:59:59.580 you talk about the political messaging going on from these individuals they're calling out the

01:00:03.660 deception they're calling out the corruption they're doing all the stuff but what are they

01:00:08.120 suggesting we do about it and that's where that's where it really becomes important like do you want

01:00:13.580 us to vote for someone has that really changed a whole lot of anything do you want us to tucker

01:00:19.180 carlson do you want to be president do you want us to vote for whatever it is there is no true

01:00:23.860 solution it's always some kind of agenda that falls short of a true hope a true restoration that

01:00:29.240 uh we're eagerly expecting and waiting with the second coming of christ so it's always going to

01:00:33.920 fall short of that and as basil mentioned there's this repetitive thing going on the cycle thing and

01:00:38.500 i've been uh really doing the research now to put together probably a book but a lot of content from

01:00:45.120 it um and it's an idea called archetypalism basically that prophecy works in archetypes the bible there's

01:00:52.040 nothing new under the sun so everything that has been will be done again which is an interesting

01:00:57.080 conversation to have if you're talking about aliens and stuff but um i think that

01:01:02.300 i'm enjoying this conversation we talk about aliens all the time dude please yeah fake and gay

01:01:10.020 so um it there's nothing new under the sun so in effect every time we think prophecy is being

01:01:19.140 fulfilled it might be a way to have that conversation acknowledge that things are happening in a prophetic

01:01:25.980 context but not be like okay this is fulfilled or this is the date when this happens because that's

01:01:31.800 when people get into trouble and they have you know for centuries as they figure something out or they

01:01:36.100 think they figure something out they set a date they set a time period they do all this stuff and then

01:01:40.180 when that doesn't happen well then they're discredited and a whole bunch of people uh fall away from the

01:01:44.480 faith because of that and so there's a lot of ambiguity in prophecy with old testament prophecies new

01:01:50.140 testament how it was fulfilled and i think the end times are like that too uh that there's going to be

01:01:55.060 certain things that we think we know how it's going to play out but we may not we may not fully

01:01:59.740 understand it and maybe that's because we're not meant to fully understand it it's supposed to be

01:02:04.540 hidden from the enemy i know that scripture talks about how uh the the enemies uh satan blinds uh

01:02:11.660 those who on earth um what was the passage i think it was second corinthians 4 yeah here it is

01:02:17.820 second corinthians 4 uh in their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers to

01:02:22.940 keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of christ who is the image of god so

01:02:27.260 there's definitely a blinding that happens and and that's part of it too like you gotta be blind

01:02:31.740 we were just talking about uh who are we talking to we were talking to somebody who got in with like

01:02:37.640 a conversation or something with people in silicon valley and they were shown some of the scriptures

01:02:43.240 about the mark of the beast you know because they're building these digital ids and all the systems

01:02:48.780 and they looked at it and they weren't like oh that's not what we're doing they were like

01:02:52.000 oh yeah that's pretty much it that's pretty much what we're doing that's exactly what we're doing

01:02:55.800 like they didn't even deny it you know what i mean so your conscience has to be seared oh wow

01:03:00.600 how did the bible knows exactly what we're doing that's very interesting cool they looked at it and

01:03:05.200 they said oh that's a good idea anyway that's a good idea right exactly was good trip yeah right and so

01:03:10.040 we're at this point now where a billionaire gay man in peter thiel who is highly influential in the

01:03:17.000 last elections behind the scenes highly influential in uh the platforms like paypal and and you know

01:03:23.640 the things that we use on on a daily basis when it comes to monetary stuff big part of palantir i think

01:03:29.060 he was co-founder of palantir who's doing all the data stuff i think they just integrated palantir with

01:03:33.520 the government database like today or yesterday or something announcement went out um this is the guy

01:03:38.800 peter thiel is doing closed seminars talking about the antichrist and the end times but when you start

01:03:45.800 digging into what he's actually saying he his message has been very consistent over the last

01:03:51.160 year or so where he's public about this he said we don't want armageddon because that'd be bad we

01:03:58.300 would you know we don't want this war situation of armageddon but to prevent armageddon we would

01:04:03.600 need a world government and that would be the antichrist so we don't we don't want that either

01:04:08.120 to make sure that ai doesn't fulfill biblical prophecy and make jesus come back we need to

01:04:14.460 make our own ai and we need to make it better than the evil ai yeah that's not what can you guys talk

01:04:21.320 about that a little bit because i saw that and these days i i got to admit i only move towards

01:04:27.020 whatever i'm compelled to move towards as far as like theories and stuff like i used to be real with

01:04:31.640 that at all i and i saw it and i go we got to look at that and then just felt unmoved and did not

01:04:36.860 look at it and then but like i am curious like what the hell did this guy say it was like a

01:04:42.120 multi-part series on the antichrist which i probably should have watched but i was like nah

01:04:47.180 so so most of what we know coming out of that came from reporters who are allowed to be in there

01:04:53.840 because they were closed door session you had to buy a ticket of course all the billionaires got their

01:04:58.180 tickets and nobody got to come a couple reporters were able to come and they as far as i know were not

01:05:04.720 put out for public consumption this was very exclusive it was you know very billionaire but

01:05:12.580 there were reporters i'd have to go back and look at our show notes gone to see it was either the wall

01:05:17.520 street journal or the washington post or you know just some basic reporting uh institutions and yeah

01:05:24.640 you know he comes he's talking about there's this whole movement about how christianity is the chosen

01:05:31.080 religion of big tech now uh they're they all have their own bible studies the churches in silicon

01:05:37.900 valley are exploding and peter teal and all these guys christianity is the is the religion of of uh

01:05:45.720 silicon valley and the reporting that came out of peter teal's closed door non-public lectures about

01:05:54.140 the end times and the antichrist basically sums up to you know there is a devil biblical prophecy is true

01:06:03.160 jesus is coming back but there's this beast system uh that is threatening to you know ruin humanity and

01:06:13.880 end the world it's called the apocalypse um but we here's what we want as the billionaires in silicon

01:06:21.880 valley okay we're christians we don't want the apocalypse okay we're not trying to be a part of

01:06:28.420 the apocalypse we're not trying to you know fall into the devil's trap so in order to avoid the book

01:06:37.400 of revelation and revelation 13 we have to build our bigger better ai that's good it's a big good ai

01:06:47.160 that can be used to rule the world so that the world doesn't get taken over by the devil and much

01:06:54.640 like how the devil always does it i mean this is it's hilarious because again so anybody who's been

01:07:00.960 christian for long enough you've experienced this in your own life and if you haven't yet you certainly

01:07:05.980 soon will you know the devil knows everything about the bible the devil's read the bible longer than

01:07:12.800 you have he knows the ins the outs he knows the scriptures and so but but he can't create anything

01:07:19.640 he can only counterfeit what's going on that's his gang he's an expert counterfeiter and like guns

01:07:24.920 said you know an expert counterfeiter has to know the bill he's counterfeiting inside and out needs to

01:07:31.740 know every single little thing and the devil does and so what we see at least from from our experiences

01:07:38.960 uh people who do what we do and have you know been christian for the amount of time that we have

01:07:44.520 is it's such a clear and obvious uh infiltration of the by the enemy because supernatural you know

01:07:57.600 biblical supernaturalism biblical prophecy is so obviously catching the attention of everybody

01:08:04.380 because we see it playing out in front of our faces every day every day we see a new biblical prophecy

01:08:10.080 you know come true or or be planned on the docket for the government whatever you know we see it all

01:08:18.100 the time and so yes these very excuse me very exclusive silicon valley silicon valley peter teal

01:08:28.580 lectures where quite obviously again i'm not even saying that like he is the devil and he knows what

01:08:35.320 he's saying but i think you know as the enemy does pray and convince us that uh whatever version

01:08:44.320 idea of theology or prophecy that we've convinced ourselves of um you know we can play a part in it we

01:08:53.420 can change it and this has been a long time struggle for us in our community because we can talk about

01:09:00.620 the biblical prophecies taking place every day and the natural human earthly worldly impulse is how do we

01:09:09.260 stop it and this is one of the big mind changes that come with you know a true supernatural faith in

01:09:16.460 christ is like you go oh that idea that impulse to stop something from happening that's that's human

01:09:24.440 that's us that's not that's not god right but much like true surrender is a huge part of following christ

01:09:34.600 and giving up our own wants desires giving up our own ideas of what's best for us and acquiescing to

01:09:41.920 you know a plan greater for us than we could even imagine that's the tough part that's what's that's

01:09:48.660 like one of the most tough parts about following christ um and it's funny because once you have eyes to

01:09:55.760 see that and you see these stop it this once you have eyes big googly eyes to see oh you guys are funny

01:10:04.160 um yeah you know once you have big googly eyes to see you know when you it's the same thing with

01:10:11.320 like candace and tucker and etc etc it's like this is what's prophesied this is what gets what's going

01:10:16.680 to happen we can stop it we have the power we can change god's plan this is what i'm struggling with

01:10:22.340 this is exactly what i'm struggling with as uh we go down the rabbit hole as we go down this journey

01:10:28.900 um the the the whole israel thing we brought up uh zionist christians vexing i'd say to me at least

01:10:39.280 uh because i'm looking in one hand at biblical prophecy playing out i'm looking at what biblical

01:10:47.120 israel is and then i'm also looking at people with small hats that are purveyors or pornography on

01:10:53.480 people like my children and i'm like this is a big problem for me because if i just i mean maybe

01:11:01.000 it's just a surrender thing i'm not accurately surrendering which is another big problem for me

01:11:06.000 i like to do things and i like to make sure that i know what i'm doing and have control over a certain

01:11:11.060 amount of things i just don't know where that responsibility ends as a let's say as a father

01:11:15.980 where uh we've got hollywood putting out all kinds of propaganda run by uh the largest pornography

01:11:26.600 company in america run by and i'm like so we're just supposed to stay quiet we're just supposed to

01:11:35.160 not uh yeah not call this out like this is a this is a problem for me it's a big problem and i'm

01:11:40.460 trusting god and i'm wrestling with god about it and god's like you know at some points he's like

01:11:45.740 i guess he'll let me go like yeah go ahead go explore that then he'll reel me back in you know

01:11:51.980 and then i'll then i'll have to be like come back out again but but what did you mean by this like

01:11:55.600 how could we how could we allow this as a country because certainly it's happening yeah yeah we came

01:12:00.800 here to talk a little bit about trump and i mean the influence there as well epstein island is rampant

01:12:05.840 or the the epstein files are out right now and all this stuff kind of points back to one place

01:12:09.880 and i'm like i just don't know how to submit to this this is god's plan but it's this is crazy

01:12:19.240 it's like at some point i'm like hey man i got i got kids to raise yeah and we we have a country

01:12:26.680 that is this the end time i mean basil was just talking about that like or is this just an iteration

01:12:33.220 i actually i think that was ugans that's writing the book about these archetypes

01:12:36.280 is this just an iteration that's going to repeat itself how many times have we been here

01:12:40.820 through through human history doing the same thing with these same archetypes playing out are we closer

01:12:46.780 possibly the technology is there now right so we're getting a little bit closer but it's like

01:12:50.980 i don't know could it get worse yeah could could this all just blow over and then i don't know another

01:12:56.480 200 years we'd be back in the same spot with a more advanced version of ai or whatever is coming

01:13:01.460 to fulfill this kind of prophecy is this a false start and if it is i just feel like like do we do

01:13:08.420 we just give up do we just give up and say you know what i'm going to trust that this is going to

01:13:12.020 all go away or or is it a time to actually fight and push back i go back and forth all day long between

01:13:17.640 this stuff and i don't know what to think yeah and that's i go ahead i was going to say that that

01:13:23.760 specifically to the topic of israel and zionism oh here we go i've been i've been on this little

01:13:33.800 trek for a while because in 2015 2016 i started to ask questions and because of my documentary and

01:13:42.560 and things of that nature trouble dog well here's the thing i i got to travel and speak and and meet

01:13:49.520 people in like the kind of bible prophecy circuit okay so people that are like writing books and

01:13:54.720 making thousands tens of thousands of dollars selling books and videos and stuff like that back

01:13:58.800 in our conference days our conference days yeah i will just say we had somebody on from

01:14:03.680 prophecy watches okay and i can't say any names and uh i did bring up israel and oh yeah things got

01:14:12.000 very visibly mad and i'm too stupid to stop so i'm like uh i was like clearly there's crimes

01:14:17.520 happening here yeah and i was like yeah yeah yeah yeah and i was like we're never going to get past

01:14:21.120 this if if we press it so i was like let's just continue with the nephilim or whatever we were

01:14:24.560 talking about yeah before you before you go into the broader picture if i could just make a mention

01:14:32.720 it's it's interesting for me because growing up in the church 90s 80s 90s like supporting israel was the

01:14:40.320 default supporting israel was always the default and you know it didn't really think about it that much

01:14:46.800 but of course i was a kid but it was all every single church i ever went to ever was kind of

01:14:53.600 equating the israel of the bible with the current modern nation state of israel and and you know of

01:15:00.640 course i didn't know all sorts of things etc etc you know when you're to the specific question or the

01:15:08.560 specific um friction that we feel and and for you know those who have i don't know listen to me a lot

01:15:15.440 you'll you'll hear this a lot which is like the friction is on purpose like the these these

01:15:20.480 obstacles these spiritual obstacles these physical obstacles these authoritarian obstacles these are

01:15:26.160 not on accident these are not to be avoided you know christ does not tell us to avoid uncomfortable

01:15:31.520 situations he does not tell us to avoid uncomfortable conversations you know and we're not called to just

01:15:39.520 acquiesce we're not called to um you know not pay attention or just sit quietly in faith but we are

01:15:48.720 called to endure and enduring this i mean this is a super heavy aspect of biblical you know christianity

01:15:57.040 is this endurance we've been told that following christ will bring the ire of the whole world on us

01:16:04.560 what do you think they'll do to us after seeing what they did to him of course the endurance is

01:16:09.760 all of it and endurance comes not with avoiding things but with facing things with confronting things

01:16:17.840 doing it in a biblically sound christ-serving way of course there's good ways and bad ways to do all

01:16:24.080 sorts of things and you know not being a part of the deeds of wickedness and darkness but to expose them

01:16:30.800 this is all part of our you know calling as christ followers so you know if the question is do we talk

01:16:37.120 about it do we not talk about it you know obviously the answer is not to let your kids become victim of

01:16:43.680 this horrible fallen beast system of a uh you know sin trap that is the world that we live in of course not

01:16:52.800 but it is to endure and endure comes with strengthening yourself it comes with strengthening your your

01:16:58.960 children you know bringing them up in the way that they should go and endurance comes in having these

01:17:04.800 conversations and that's also why the world doesn't want you to have these conversations

01:17:11.280 but it's so it is very easy it's easy to endure in christ it is almost impossible to endure by our own

01:17:20.880 power by our own knowledge by our own responses to things and that's kind of part of this cycle of

01:17:29.600 getting really fired up about something putting everything we have into fighting it which usually

01:17:35.040 just means like yelling about it on the internet you know and then we get exhausted and what happens

01:17:41.360 well we kind of stop enduring and we come back around and it's there's a sense of hopelessness and there's a

01:17:48.880 sense of wondering and there's a sense of whatever you know we've all had this cycle happen in our

01:17:54.800 lives and it's going to happen forever it's part of being a human being but through you know

01:18:01.440 in the moment with our focus on christ um you know this endurance truly does become supernatural i

01:18:10.160 say it all the time and it's very important for both long-time christians and new christians to know

01:18:14.720 your faith doesn't come from you your faith is not from your own power right you do not generate

01:18:22.160 your faith in christ within you by studying and focusing very hard and doing all these sort of things

01:18:29.600 you do those things because of the faith that's given you but your faith comes from christ your faith

01:18:35.040 comes directly from god so we first of all recognize that whatever we're trying to do in our own

01:18:41.520 power in our own whatever you know that's inevitably we're going to get tired out we're not going to

01:18:47.280 endure but the endurance comes from following that faith that which he gives us um and that's a lesson

01:18:55.520 you learn over and over and over again much like the cycles we've been talking about much like the seasons

01:19:00.960 you know that uh i saw somebody mentioned seasons there you know we go through these seasons in life

01:19:06.000 where we are up we are down we come back we're stronger we're back down right when we think we're

01:19:11.440 like we've nailed it we're on oh whoops boom back down come back up you know this sort of thing

01:19:17.920 and for me personally not confusing those cycles of the inner world the inner relationship with christ and

01:19:26.880 the inner uh struggles because you know perception of the world around us is also one of these things

01:19:33.440 it's highly affected by the faith that god gives us um but of but the endurance you know coming back

01:19:42.320 resetting and uh it's really easy in those moments to make up a lot of excuses why we either

01:19:55.760 should chill out and should not you know fight the power or should whatever blah blah blah uh should

01:20:03.920 or should not either way you know we go through this sort of teeter-totter and that's okay that's

01:20:10.480 part of it you know that's part of this this way that god works through things with his people not even

01:20:17.600 for their sake but for his own sake and for the sake of the world and it's one of these mysterious things

01:20:24.560 things you know when we start living through a supernatural biblical um not just worldview but

01:20:30.800 lifestyle uh these things are counter to how our worldly mind makes us you know makes us think things

01:20:39.200 should work um and uh and it's a very difficult thing to do and it comes with time and it comes with

01:20:46.240 repetition and it comes with um you know again thankfully the faith that he gives us um that being said

01:20:53.680 obviously there are huge problems with the way you know we find ourselves trapped in false binaries

01:21:02.000 you know that it's a basic conspiracy theory thing it's the basic hegelian dialectic it's the basic

01:21:08.320 structural framework of how we see elites manipulating the world is these false dualities and we're given a

01:21:16.480 choice between this or that and you got to choose one and you're convinced that those are the only two

01:21:22.320 options you know that they're there they're right there that's what everybody says those are the

01:21:26.000 options you got to pick one and then you got to fight for it until you die or something like that

01:21:31.120 um but again with the the veil coming off your eyes with the the devotion to a sort of supernatural

01:21:39.280 biblical um biblically informed relationship with christ those dualities they start it's almost like

01:21:46.800 they start fritzing out they become immaterial you kind of start to see through even the idea that

01:21:53.680 there is a duality to be chosen in a right way in a wrong way um this gets confused with some like

01:22:00.720 post-modernism i'm not you know i'm not saying that there's there's nobody's right nobody's wrong man and

01:22:08.080 just whatever it's it's all in between it's in the gray again another counterfeit from the enemy who

01:22:13.440 is very successful in the mid-20th century with post-modernism that led our our nation and our

01:22:19.120 world to much of the problems we have today was that sort of idea but again a counterfeit of this

01:22:25.520 idea that um you know the the choice is presented to us uh being reality when they really are an illusion

01:22:34.480 before i forget again i just want to mention um episode 153 of canary cry radio we have two shows

01:22:42.800 canary cry news talk canary cry radio two separate shows it's really annoying is bad branding i'm

01:22:47.360 sorry but canary cry radio episode 153 uh jesus versus the spiritual industrial complex with dr future

01:22:56.640 we talk about his book two masters and two gospels volume one the teaching of jesus versus the leaven of

01:23:02.720 the pharisees uh we get into the history mechanisms and psychological warfare that has been waged

01:23:08.800 on believers in america you know supernatural warfare spiritual warfare again another phrase that's being

01:23:16.720 talked about a lot today very uh really that the sort of biblical analog to fifth generation warfare we

01:23:24.240 talk a lot about fifth generation warfare and you know this is the kind of alex jones was right the

01:23:29.280 whole time kind of thing um but along the way dr future connects many dots to present his case from

01:23:37.360 truman's psychological strategy board comprising the cia and the dod to billy graham and gk chesterson's

01:23:45.280 opposing roles in exposing the apparatus the rich history of troubling details answers how and why

01:23:51.920 we are in this highly politicized chaos we find ourselves today the documented meetings the documented

01:23:58.400 memos about how the government the intelligence agencies and uh certain religious figures of the

01:24:06.400 time came together literally conspired to make christianity to wield it as a voting block to

01:24:15.840 create these standards if you're a christian you vote this way um and is sort of very diabolical and

01:24:22.880 it's something that we take for granted today if you're if you're a christian you're a conservative

01:24:28.160 you're this you're that you know and and not only you know are you this way but if you're not this way

01:24:34.560 you're sort of uh you know betraying jesus for not you know and look we have that conversation all the

01:24:43.120 time and it's quite obvious that a christian will have certain political views it's obvious to us it

01:24:49.520 was a manufactured movement of the mid-20th century government coincidentally happening in the same era

01:24:59.120 as the creation of the nation state of israel and etc and so these are important sort of

01:25:04.800 periods in history just to understand our current predicament not to say that a christian

01:25:10.720 shouldn't vote one way or another but just understand that even the very basic concepts that we envision our

01:25:19.600 political landscape uh to have sort of topographically um is is a literal creation of american intelligence

01:25:29.200 and with this again this should be setting us free this should set us free from the expectations of the

01:25:37.040 political choices we're given um and let us rely only on our relationship with christ to guide these

01:25:45.600 guide us through enduring this very again highly choppy highly you know heated and yet highly perfectly

01:25:56.480 manufactured obstacle course of the political landscape right now it's not by accident it's not just by

01:26:04.560 you know happenstance of history uh we talk about all the ops going on today you gotta learn your

01:26:11.680 your history on the ops that created the today that we have um so you know i don't want to go too far

01:26:18.000 into it but episode 153 jesus versus the spiritual industrial complex it's very challenging it's a very

01:26:23.760 challenging episode um for a lot of reasons but um i recommend people go check it out start there and of

01:26:30.720 course if you're a reading person which we all like to hope we will be someday um getting um michael

01:26:37.680 bennett dr michael bennett dr future uh his book two masters two gospels yep so before uh great rant

01:26:46.240 basil sorry i could just no no you're good you're good i was just telling a story it's okay you know

01:26:51.120 it's it's all right i was just telling a little personal story our whole life you guys are very much

01:26:56.480 cosmic theology into the mix here we have the same thing going on you're like us you're me you're me

01:27:01.760 gans and uh basil you're david yes um nice to meet you guys but like way lower on the scale we're

01:27:07.440 like not as smart thank goodness because if i was i would never i would just go on for it's it's really

01:27:12.720 bad and i don't know anything and i just and i go on constantly and nothing stops me so wait but

01:27:18.320 let guns let guns go no go ahead okay so so i was talking to you i'm going i'm going so speak up

01:27:25.200 i had mentioned uh how i got to kind of meet and mingle with that bible prophecy crowd and as soon

01:27:32.560 as i brought up israel i started to question it because when i first started looking at bible

01:27:37.920 prophecy it was the the stuff that was presented to me was hey 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical

01:27:43.440 prophecy with israel forming as a nation and we had these people in diaspora for 2000 years and it's

01:27:48.320 a miracle that they even still exist and let alone you know form a new nation and certainly in history that

01:27:54.240 is a uh an oddity i think there's like one or two more that has like a smaller uh type of thing

01:28:00.000 that where similar thing happened but certainly not on the world stage as um with modern nation-state

01:28:04.560 israel and i just asked the question you know i wasn't even trying to stir anything up i was just like

01:28:09.360 so because in my mind i'm thinking the bible talks about israel in the old testament there is a

01:28:16.720 context of israel that extends past just the ethnicity of the people in the new testament

01:28:23.680 paul in romans references it and you know we have the the famous passages about hey there's no more

01:28:30.720 jew or greek and you know there's there's uh the barrier does not exist anymore and so the the far end

01:28:37.840 of that discussion is replacement theology i get accused of that often because i bring up that topic

01:28:43.920 of like hey paul also talked about israel in the context of all believers not just the ethnic group

01:28:50.320 and that's that's the problem that is the part of the standard in my childhood by the way it's really

01:28:56.320 funny to see all this conversation about replacement theology because that was just being a protestant

01:29:03.440 in america in the 90s right right so so now nobody can have a fruitful conversation about this because

01:29:12.160 one person can say israel and they're talking about the political modern nation state of israel which is

01:29:16.960 is certainly the the land is shared from the ancient israel and but the argument being that

01:29:24.960 it's the same people well it's not that simple right it's not like they had the israelites in

01:29:30.480 the first century put them in a jar and then you know they were just kind of secluded throughout

01:29:35.840 history and boom they released it they defroze him or whatever and there they are the jews from the

01:29:40.400 first century no they were they went all over the world they mingled they they mingled with europeans

01:29:44.880 there's a bottleneck in the whatever 16 1700s or whatever there's a long genetic history that is

01:29:51.440 not clear and there's no way any geneticist is going to they're not going to necessarily

01:29:55.920 figure it all out and and so everyone's a mutt and it's not so simple as oh the jews from the

01:30:02.480 first century they're the same jews as now it's just not and so people can't have this conversation

01:30:07.760 because it's they mean something they have these definitions locked in and a lot of it is is a

01:30:15.040 a uh an inability to talk theologically historically uh uh spiritually religiously these are all

01:30:24.240 politically these are all mingled together in this conversation so no one knows what they're talking

01:30:27.600 about and they start yelling at each other and all of a sudden you know candace owens and all these

01:30:31.760 guys they're all nazis and then you know christian zionists they're all heretics and it's just this big

01:30:36.240 mess now the foundational the real stuff going on um is is legit like you know a certain group of

01:30:44.400 people and then the the issue that i think it goes back to what i was talking about earlier what do we

01:30:51.600 what do we do about it i think there's a personal responsibility part of this you know censor your

01:30:55.840 kids from that stuff obviously uh i think self-censorship for your children and for your

01:31:00.720 family is something that we can do practice and i think it should be promoted more i don't know why

01:31:04.640 self-censorship isn't a thing we're always trying to get like platforms or like other people to

01:31:09.360 do the censoring for it's like dude censor your own family you have control of what your children see and

01:31:15.200 you know here and all this stuff so you can do that yeah but also yourself while you're at yourself

01:31:19.760 yeah it's a skill again a skill that's demonized by the world you know it automatically has this

01:31:26.880 negative connotation but boy oh boy i'll tell you what there there's probably no better skill

01:31:32.720 than censoring what goes into your eyes what goes into your ears by your own uh by your own decision

01:31:40.720 it's you know it's all part of um sort of taking control over oneself otherwise you're just a slave

01:31:49.760 to whatever influences are coming in and going out yeah and the big key here is ephesians 6 12 it's been

01:31:56.880 a really important passage uh ever since i became a believer for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but

01:32:02.400 against the rulers principalities powers cosmic powers of the present darkness and spiritual

01:32:06.720 forces of evil and heavenly places and when you think of all of the world issues in that context

01:32:13.600 that we're battling against principalities and powers it it shifts the conversation from a genetic lineage

01:32:20.000 or a nation state a group of people or whatever and it and it shifts the focus to oh it's the

01:32:26.480 the principalities and powers behind everything that is causing all this tension turmoil and evil in

01:32:31.760 the world and so we can lock up all the jews they tried that once i think that somebody tried it i think

01:32:39.040 uh i don't know about a century ago or something is it gonna did it accomplish what they were hoping to

01:32:43.600 accomplish probably not you know there was a op that probably started because of that and you know now we

01:32:48.960 have a hundred years later we have the conversation pop up again you know was hitler really a bad guy

01:32:53.600 i mean he was a human but you know will we see heaven hitler in heaven well if he repented yeah

01:32:58.480 some people have a problem with that concept you know so uh it's the same thing over and over again

01:33:03.680 but if you don't shift your your your target of the enemy from that guy over there or that group over there

01:33:11.360 to oh the principalities powers of spiritual wickedness that's behind it you're gonna try to

01:33:16.960 fix the issue in an earthly manner and that always leads to terrible things and you're easier to

01:33:23.760 manipulate if if you know again if we're not realizing that there's a whole host of elohim a

01:33:32.320 whole ecosystem of spiritual uh i mean individuals like personalities powers principalities that have

01:33:41.680 been given for whatever reason by god you know long ago uh power over even geographical i mean is the

01:33:52.160 scriptures talk about geographical uh principalities that rule over or over various places much less

01:34:00.000 principalities and powers that rule over ideologies and things like that and so yes focusing on the

01:34:06.800 again the the world's counterfeit of this is fifth generation warfare but spiritual warfare

01:34:11.920 again once you're locked in and you see you know they want you to think that a person or a dna strand

01:34:19.680 or a political movement is the ultimate enemy not that those things can't be enemies but defeating those

01:34:26.480 things does not defeat you know the the true the cosmic rebellion that is at hand here it's this is a

01:34:34.480 cosmic war that we've been in the spirit of antichrist has been here for a long time and everyone's

01:34:39.200 looking for one guy but throughout history there have been many antichrists over and over and over

01:34:44.640 again the spirit of antichrist has has been around for a long time and certainly it'll culminate with a

01:34:49.440 man of sin the son of perdition and all these prophecies that are written um but i to to think that it's

01:34:56.240 going to be the way we think it's going to be i i i caution against that just because it's

01:35:00.960 it's uh again you got to have room for god's sovereignty and all of this and um you brought

01:35:06.400 the elohim basil good good way to talk about the aliens you know i was gonna before we move on to

01:35:12.800 that i will say what and this is gonna this is gonna uh throw the episode uh kilter if that's

01:35:19.200 the correct i think it is my favorite uh my one of my favorite comedians own benjamin says that uh

01:35:24.080 you have to kill the inner jew and it's very funny when as people are talking about creating camps and

01:35:28.960 all this he's like no no no it's the jew within you yes and i'm like that's your own heart it's

01:35:33.120 very funny which is it's very much like you know pick up your your cross you know it just doesn't

01:35:37.840 really say it's like how about have you looked at yourself have you cleaned your room have you

01:35:40.400 cleaned your room bucko it's like it's a harsh it's a hard way to say it but i think like in the

01:35:46.800 context of comedy delivering that to somebody it can aggravate it it really shakes you up and you go what

01:35:52.320 did he mean by that but if you do take a second and really think about that it's exactly what you're

01:35:56.000 saying like this battle is is internal well it's like they own the porn companies and we go oh they

01:36:00.560 own the podcast it's like hey dude stop jerking off how about that would you just stop jerking off

01:36:06.320 but i can't um no but i i think you're absolutely correct if you really paying attention there's

01:36:11.440 always an effort to make some people group or some uh religious group or some political alignment

01:36:17.520 the ultimate bad guy and that should be telling when people see all the israel and all the jew stuff

01:36:22.400 it's like there's always something there's always something that they're telling you they want to

01:36:25.600 present you and they go this is the enemy and it's like no that's not the enemy the enemy is behind

01:36:28.560 it it's a spiritual one uh speaking of spirit of the antichrist though going on to uh aliens uh

01:36:33.680 donald trump that was a jarring and this is going to be just like that's where we do it no all right

01:36:38.320 we're on the topic of the yellow we're going to talk about aliens and i know it is it is it's the

01:36:41.600 same thing i have the article pulled up but i like the way he was doing it okay fine much more eloquent

01:36:45.600 all right we like yours gone yeah i like the elohim i tried a lot of people the current american the modern

01:36:51.840 american doesn't want to talk about the aliens in the context of the elohim they want to talk about

01:36:57.680 them well now they do brothers i i don't know there's like this effort where you do see a lot

01:37:02.560 of people and it's giving me like it's it's giving me pause because i'm like what am i talking about

01:37:06.720 because when i see somebody go like what if the aliens are actually fallen angels and i go oh

01:37:10.320 shit dude like that's what i think you know so now now i'm like i'm not too sure because i you know

01:37:15.920 i don't i don't think of myself that highly in regard so i don't know i i am in this state of

01:37:20.720 second guessing but it is something that seems to be on the horizon and you have this this comes out

01:37:25.440 of newsweek nearly two-thirds of americans believe an intelligent life exists beyond earth according to

01:37:30.880 a 2021 study from a pew research center from the pew research center i don't know what that is

01:37:36.800 meanwhile some americans believe that there is proof of ufos and alien life being concealed from the

01:37:42.320 public by global governments but this belief is held by a significant minority so congress has

01:37:48.560 previously held hearings about you know ufo sightings and things like that and trump has

01:37:53.280 indicated uh that his administration may declassify some information on the nature of

01:37:58.800 extraterrestrial life um you know we're reaching kind of the end of the show here and we've dealt

01:38:04.480 with some really heavy topics i actually think this is super light and airy and fun uh and i think

01:38:11.760 deserving of a lot of ridicule um what do you guys think about that it does seem that we're moving towards

01:38:17.280 some disclosure you know that's the the terminology that's commonly used and it maybe trump's gonna be

01:38:23.280 the guy uh who's who's gonna do it and you know what is that gonna look like and what do you think

01:38:27.600 that means well i let me let me jump in because basil will go on for another 45 minutes i don't know

01:38:33.440 anything about this this is my first time hearing of such a thing yeah so there's a couple things one

01:38:40.640 we have to parse out the different phenomena so the ufo sighting phenomenon is one thing and that

01:38:46.800 that's more about a technology some kind of craft and then you have the non-human intelligence i think

01:38:54.080 is the way or non-human biologics is i think the way they're pushing the idea out there and that brings

01:39:00.800 up a whole nother conversation uh separate from this of course people tie the two together but they are separate

01:39:06.640 things um i don't know what trump is going to say i guess release the files i mean at this point what

01:39:13.040 does that even mean are they going to be redacted who knows um but i've long suspected that trump will

01:39:19.040 be involved in releasing some technologies that have been suppressed for a while so this could be part

01:39:26.480 of that play like the whole alien disclosure conversation might just be so that trump can be

01:39:31.600 the guy to unleash the tesalonian energy system or something something along those lines i'm not saying

01:39:36.000 saying that's what it's going to be but newer technologies and uh if you saw the genesis uh

01:39:41.520 thing yesterday i forget what it's called some some uh bill or i think it was an executive order

01:39:46.400 it's called genesis something it's all about ai and crypto and quantum and uh manhattan project for

01:39:53.200 a manhattan project for ai is what they're what they're calling it so keeping that you know putting

01:39:57.680 it all into perspective there's that part of it that is this something where it's more about the

01:40:03.760 technology being released now the other side of it with the non-human biologics and the entities and

01:40:08.480 stuff there's a range from people who believe our friend uh tim alberino who was just on glenn beck

01:40:15.520 by the way i mean he's he's gone super uh mainstream i guess um and we've interviewed him multiple times

01:40:22.400 um he believes that there is a pre-adamic race and you can draw this out from scripture like there are

01:40:28.800 ways to understand scripture where this is plausible where there was a pre-adamic race and they're the

01:40:33.760 ones that uh predate humanity but they were intelligences and they were biological beings like

01:40:39.360 we are and they're part of the rebellion and they're they're part of the genesis 6 narrative and and

01:40:45.280 the alien conversation all of it comes from this uh pre-adamic race uh so that's one possibility in

01:40:53.280 that hey the bible may address these sort of non-human intelligences in that way the other

01:41:00.000 part of it is obviously the spiritual side there are i think it was jd vance recently talked about

01:41:05.520 how he thinks the the crafts or aliens or something are interdimensional and that's yeah i think it was

01:41:11.440 yeah that was a couple weeks ago maybe and that's common this is common now in the government circles

01:41:17.520 is they're shifting to this interdimensional storyline right right which is fascinating to me

01:41:22.880 given that it's like a narrative that you get a lot through like marvel films and stuff and i just

01:41:26.640 want to read this headline really quick just to bolster your point guns uh so i this like well i didn't

01:41:31.280 even pay attention to this trump signs executive order launching ai initiative being compared to the

01:41:35.360 manhattan project the order announced the genesis mission is what it was called for ai a new federal

01:41:41.600 push to mobilize the federal government's research and data to create artificial intelligence models i'm sure that's

01:41:47.280 fine it's actually funny because uh some of the deep dive research that we've done um when he first

01:41:52.160 got elected for the second time oh stargate yeah yeah yeah the funding is like 500 billion dollars

01:41:58.560 for ai and it was called operation stargate which is just like they're not they're not even trying

01:42:03.200 it's the same operation as as this remote viewing thing that they were doing in the 70s which then goes

01:42:08.240 back to the you know a lot of the people that worked on that but specifically andrija buharic is like big

01:42:13.360 around the 50s so like you're talking about the implementation the creation of israel

01:42:17.680 roswell um all this remote viewing stuff the mk ultra mk ultra i think the cia or the air force

01:42:25.280 the cia yeah and uh also channeling the nine which is like the ancient india it's like all this stuff

01:42:30.000 is like right there they crush they're cool though they're cool uh repeat it again in the 70s and then

01:42:34.960 go ahead and mimic that with ai which i think is probably just like a digital ouija board and now here

01:42:40.960 we are again with the manhattan project which is very interesting five hundred billion dollars

01:42:45.840 was it enough i'm excited there are other countries that hopped in with another uh 500 billion i think

01:42:52.240 japan said they would do so anyway there's yeah there's a lot of money being poured in you're

01:42:55.520 right the stargate we actually did an episode of canary cry radio this year i don't remember what

01:43:00.720 number it was it's in the 180s i think um we uh basil and i recreated some of those stargate documents

01:43:08.400 we like played it out because you know there's a remote viewer sitting in a chair and you know they

01:43:13.040 asked him to remote view stuff there was one where he went to mars and he saw these tall creatures and

01:43:17.360 you know these this ancient civilization that was there another one they somebody remote viewed what

01:43:24.080 sounded like some kind of data center or uh i don't know it was an interesting imagery that they saw

01:43:30.960 that you know was relayed so we we recreated some of those with sound effects and all that fun stuff

01:43:35.840 that's cool in fact some of our roots you know when we started uh radio lab was like the biggest uh

01:43:43.760 podcast at the time in the olden days so early on in our episodes we're like oh we gotta make it like

01:43:50.480 radio lab let's do it we did all sorts of like fun stuff this was kind of a return to that it's it's

01:43:56.720 episode 180 the stargate project where we explore exactly that the new stargate project the old stargate

01:44:03.520 project we did a big uh deep dive and we just kind of added our third element to it with uh pastor

01:44:09.680 joe and franco on the telepathy tapes and how it all plugs into absolutely all of this is you know

01:44:17.280 this time frame of like late 40s to uh early 50s mk ultra puharage the nine the inead like all this

01:44:25.360 stuff and how it bleeds into this oddly uh placed podcast that goes hyper viral and knocks uh joe rogan

01:44:32.960 out of first place and and interestingly enough omits pretty much everything about christ which to which

01:44:38.880 there was a lot um passenger was cool enough to you guys would probably get a kick out of talking to

01:44:43.920 him or or at least looking into his story because he worked you know pretty closely on the telepathy

01:44:48.880 tapes and there was a lot about these non-speaking autistic kids talking to christ and you know you

01:44:55.360 still got to figure out what that means are we talking like right silver boots pleiadian christ

01:44:59.760 you know that kind of a deal but um still it it was all omitted and for something that became the

01:45:05.840 number one podcast in the world no doubt got millions upon millions of views and listens

01:45:11.200 uh to to omit that is that's a that's a huge problem wow it's antichrist it's antichrist yeah

01:45:19.840 yeah um so just i think i can sum up a little bit of what i think just to it's a zero in on trump's

01:45:29.280 disclosure if anybody is going to disclose anything it's probably going to be trump we've had david grush who's

01:45:34.960 uh you know several different whistleblowers they all talk about how they're only whistleblowing what

01:45:40.960 they're allowed to whistleblow and et cetera after they changed the whistleblowing laws by the way it

01:45:46.160 was they changed the laws around whistleblowing and then all these whistleblowers for the ufo stuff came

01:45:50.800 out so something to pay attention to 2013 2014 you know again we're bright eyed and bushy tail we're

01:45:58.160 talking about aliens we're having la marzulli on he's talking about the disembodied spirits of the

01:46:03.200 nephilim surviving the flood because they were there and they were there afterwards and then you

01:46:08.880 know we have cow mutilations and they're taking biological pieces to create the gray aliens as

01:46:14.640 biological suits for the nephilim disembodied spirits to inhabit to continue their mission here

01:46:20.240 on earth and then you've of course biblically we have i mean where they have now solidified the

01:46:27.680 conversation about ufos uaps non-human intelligence non-human biologics is very clearly um interdimensional

01:46:38.800 and like you mentioned the you always pay attention and you can do this with the news and you can do it

01:46:45.600 with pop culture the predictive programming the revelation of the method they do this this is this is

01:46:52.000 clearly laid out in all sorts of schizo you know pieces of work about how predictive programming hollywood

01:46:59.840 tv shows etc lay out the truth in fictional form before they're even allowed to pull off whatever

01:47:10.480 trick they're trying to pull off it's called revelation of the method helena blavatsky a famous

01:47:15.920 um occultist elite occultist from the mid 20th century there and um what's very clear is they're

01:47:23.680 solidifying this interdimensional aspect of aliens they do not come from other stars they come from

01:47:29.120 dimensions right outside of ours and again hilarious all the enemy can do is uh counterfeit uh if you are

01:47:38.000 spiritually minded if you're biblically minded it's biblical prophecy minded

01:47:41.520 interdimensionalism is just the spirit realm it's the heavens like we know this we've known this

01:47:50.000 forever if you're a christian you already believe in interdimensionality you already experience

01:47:56.800 interdimensional attacks in different ways we know this and we also know biblically both from

01:48:02.480 biblical and extra biblical scriptures that are referenced in the bible so at least those writers

01:48:08.800 of the bible were referencing extra biblical uh works not that book of enoch is canon or any of

01:48:15.600 these things and we need them for salvation necessarily but they're referenced by the writers

01:48:20.800 of the bible so we can say okay this is at least in their purview in their world view we know the book

01:48:26.480 of enoch we've got the watchers we've got several different layers of interdimensional beings different

01:48:32.720 demons different angels different classes different species if you will if we can apply the

01:48:38.560 word species into an interdimensional sense we can just for conversation i'm not trying to pick

01:48:44.240 any theological battles trust me it sounds silly but every single time we got somebody who wants to tell

01:48:49.520 me why i'm wrong i get it i understand um so we already know this there is no disclosure to be done

01:48:56.720 for christians yeah but disclosure again 2014-15 we're talking to la marzulli we're talking to

01:49:04.400 derek and sharon gilbert they're the ones again sort of these grandfathers and mothers of this space

01:49:10.560 the giants on which shoulders we stand coming on our show for no reason they had no reason to do this

01:49:16.400 god bless them but laying out the the alien deception the the the thesis the method by which

01:49:26.800 generations of biblical scholars fringy you know biblical authors things like this uh have seen

01:49:35.280 these patterns applied them to strong theology theology that yeah you know the easiest simplest most logical

01:49:42.960 way that the devil can get his plan to the next stage to bring us closer to say revelation 13 is to

01:49:52.800 reveal the truth which is the interdimensional aspect of reality and you know the christian worldview

01:50:00.640 but do it with different colors do it with different language as we have seen ever since the the

01:50:07.040 enlightenment period taking knowledge and wisdom that has been you know passed down for generations from

01:50:14.640 biblical christianity uh and oftentimes fringe christianity these known things and painting them

01:50:22.720 with a scientific lens painting them with different words because like you said that's where the

01:50:31.040 deception happens so gans pointed out maybe the most important thing which is there's going to be a

01:50:38.320 difference between the technology of ufo sightings and the actual beings right so the techno i imagine

01:50:45.760 they'll start with the technology and they'll say yes yeah we have these craft uh we've been able to

01:50:51.280 recreate these craft it's unstable it's unsafe so we haven't released it but we're coming to a point

01:50:57.200 where now we can harness blah blah blah and you know maybe be a little vague on the on the intimate

01:51:06.160 interdimensional entity part of it i suspect that'll be the thing but we're on the we're on the precipice

01:51:11.280 of quantum computing too and that really taps into the woo side of things portals portals and all that

01:51:16.880 kind of stuff but you know the interdimensional conversation is pretty old i documented um jack valet

01:51:22.960 who talked about it in like the 60s this is these are secular scholars looking at the ufo alien

01:51:28.080 phenomenon and they're talking about interdimensional origins for these beings

01:51:32.000 cyberneticists occultists yeah cyberneticists occultists they're all talking about the same

01:51:36.160 thing john keel talked about this the ultra terrestrials uh or the trickster beings um j

01:51:42.000 alan hynek talked about it and then uh it was actually over a hundred years ago there was a book by

01:51:47.440 gh pember called earth's earliest ages and that was the first guy to bring up the genesis six

01:51:53.760 conversation again uh you guys are probably familiar with it uh to some extent um and then chuck missler

01:51:59.040 in the 90s wrote a book uh about the ufos and aliens in the context of genesis six and and since

01:52:04.640 then it's been dr michael heiser who you know we we consider mentors or a mentor of ours um you know

01:52:11.840 he passed away a couple years ago but he he really did the uh the theological not the theological work

01:52:17.840 necessarily the scholarly heavy lifting that yeah which inevitably became mainstream we credit dr michael

01:52:26.400 hyzer for the mainstreaming of the nephilim and the mainstreaming of the elohim for sure so again god

01:52:33.120 bless him and god bless his family but uh i know he gets uh he has some detractors these days um but

01:52:40.240 really credited with the ability to take the wildest fringy most unacceptable but potentially true theological

01:52:48.880 points and translate them into legitimate mainstream christian supernatural world view

01:52:56.640 which you know i don't think we would be where we were if it weren't for dr michael heiser which

01:53:02.080 you know i always want to try to make sure we give him credit for that because i miss him something

01:53:09.040 that scares me a little bit is that i i'm sure you guys have gotten this you know given how long you've

01:53:15.360 been doing this and the nature of what you're doing but when people come to you and they credit

01:53:20.960 you with um helping them to orient towards christ and and being a part of their journey towards christ

01:53:28.800 right like that's a huge um that's awesome and and you know when you look at heiser and missler and all

01:53:35.600 these people it's like how many people say that about them and you look at them and and then you realize

01:53:41.360 like you are standing on the shoulders of giants and you're uh introducing people to a really

01:53:48.160 probably crappy version of their work you know what i mean because it's like i'm paraphrasing to

01:53:52.800 the best of my abilities you know what these people have done and and researched and laid out before

01:53:58.320 me and it makes me go like oh my god we got to do better dude because the idea that anybody one day

01:54:04.240 down the when we're like old i think this conversation right now i'm like i'm watching him as he's explaining

01:54:09.200 this i'm like yeah no we've covered this on the show too but just not as good no no but it's beautiful

01:54:13.760 because it's like yeah when i hear this i'm like oh my goodness like it's nice when you talk to

01:54:19.280 somebody that you know there's a there's a lot of reciprocation like we're sitting here and we're

01:54:23.520 nodding our heads because we've we've looked at these things and we've explored them on the show

01:54:29.360 but the idea that anybody would be out there by the time we're like 60 and would ever say you know

01:54:35.520 guys like us help them or or accredited us with any sort of body of research is is almost like a uh

01:54:41.600 it's a wild thought because i think right now somewhere in our community there are people coming

01:54:48.480 up that will be treated with the same reverence in la marzulli a gary wayne um uh you know a michael

01:54:57.040 heiser any of these guys will be treated with that'll that'll happen to somebody that like we know and

01:55:01.440 and these people including us will be responsible for helping people on their journey to the truth

01:55:07.200 it's not like we're facilitators of it we're people that you meet along the way right and the

01:55:13.520 way is this narrow path that leads to christ that leads to salvation and so i don't know man it's just

01:55:19.600 like i try not to think about that too much but every once in a while you just get hit with somebody

01:55:23.440 that's like thank you thank you for the part that you've played in my journey and it's like oh

01:55:28.320 shit dude that's what we're doing i always say praise god because i don't want to take the credit

01:55:33.840 i always say praise god because he's the one that orchestrated all that and i just i know basil and i

01:55:39.200 both we talk about this every so so often where somebody will come up to us and be like that episode

01:55:44.240 or like that in that documentary you said this and this and this and it made this connection

01:55:47.760 and we're going oh i totally forgot about that

01:55:50.720 so like the the lord is doing his work like we i we are just vessels to carry out his work so

01:55:57.920 yeah yeah we're we're trying to be humble in that way yeah no pressure or anything no but no pressure

01:56:03.280 that's it though that's the beautiful thing like i you know if that's what we get out of here having

01:56:07.600 played a role in awesome awesome look we we're coming up on the two hour mark i have to ask you guys

01:56:14.080 arguably the most important question of the show um and this is something that we ask everybody in

01:56:20.160 closing and it's always fascinating the the the the question or the answers that you get and i

01:56:24.160 don't mean in this episode i just mean you guys been doing this since you said 2012 right

01:56:29.680 so um given all your pursuits and all this information you're uncovering the people that

01:56:34.560 you're talking to and are you guys having fun yeah we wouldn't look uh i kind of mentioned it before

01:56:43.360 when when you're in this sort of business you kind of can feel these currents underneath and

01:56:49.440 numbers are always unfortunately a worry and they shouldn't be and you beat each other up for it

01:56:55.520 and you're always looking for there's this impulse to keep growing or this impulse to reach whatever

01:57:02.160 next career blah blah blah and it's all trash um but when it really comes down to it i mean

01:57:10.400 you have to keep having fun i mean it's the most fun thing in the world first of all to be doing it i

01:57:16.080 mean it's kind of funny because guns and i have not lived in the same place in over 10 years and i

01:57:22.720 don't talk to anybody in my life as often as i talk to guns we mostly just talk you know on the show but

01:57:29.760 we have sort of this friendship it's a beautiful thing i could never replace the friendship i have

01:57:34.480 with gone so it's it's fun in that way you know we get to be in each other's lives from afar as we're

01:57:40.640 going through all you know while we're doing podcast episodes where you know he's having babies

01:57:45.840 and there's life disasters and there's this crazy stuff um but for us the show you know is not just

01:57:53.200 about the show it's it's i i really can't imagine not doing it because as as frustrating as it can be

01:58:01.760 and it really is frustrating sometimes i don't want to sit down and gonz will say the same thing if he wants

01:58:08.240 to but sometimes we don't want to sit down and do the show sometimes we're looking around we're just

01:58:12.960 like the world is such a mess like i don't want to report on any of this stuff this is this this is all

01:58:19.040 what are we even doing but then you for me i sit down in the chair i put on the vr headset we press go

01:58:27.040 live and then just god makes it happen man and um you know the the people that god brings into our

01:58:35.680 lives the the audience members the opportunities that we get other people like you guys i mean just

01:58:42.560 is incredible to connect with um other people kind of on who have a similar calling um it's not always

01:58:51.760 fun but it's it's uh but that's it is but i'll tell you what being on air and actually thinking

01:59:01.040 together that's what i always say when i have a guest on or we have a caller or something you know

01:59:06.000 people can get nervous i was even a little nervous coming on here and i was having to say to myself

01:59:10.640 you know you know we're just we're just getting on and we're thinking together let's let's think

01:59:16.320 together it's really dangerous when all of our thinking happens inside of our head and we we're not

01:59:22.560 thinking out loud or we're not thinking with others i think there's certain examples of personalities out

01:59:28.000 there right now that i think they they don't i think they're thinking too much in their head they're

01:59:35.280 not thinking with they can think out loud even but if you're thinking out loud alone you're not thinking

01:59:41.280 together and i think that there's something very special and holy about that where two or more are

01:59:47.200 gathered that god is right there with you um and i don't think that that has to apply to a church

01:59:54.000 setting i think that can apply to any setting where you know especially two god-fearing people

02:00:00.160 come together and with the knowledge and the faith and the um the goal to just do whatever god wants to

02:00:10.640 happen here uh it's a really incredible thing and no matter how much i complain about it no matter how

02:00:17.120 much i complain about the money no matter how much i complain about the time that it takes

02:00:21.840 and how i got no other time for anything in my life um yeah it's an incredibly fun thing for for

02:00:28.240 that sort of eternal satisfaction that comes with it beat that guns well

02:00:37.760 i always uh i always default on on this thought which is that when you start looking at what's

02:00:45.840 happening in the world there's multiple emotions that can creep up right you get normally when you

02:00:51.920 first learn about stuff that's corrupt and evil and stuff like you get angry and you want to do

02:00:56.080 something about it uh and then you kind of go through the different phases and you eventually

02:01:00.240 get to a point where you're either going to be extremely sad and depressed and lamentations you

02:01:07.280 know in your life or you can find the nuggets of ridiculousness and laugh about it and i think that's

02:01:14.240 the the friendship i've had with basil is that we find these little nuggets of just absurdity we

02:01:19.920 pointed out we laugh about it and we have a good time because you know humor is part of our our makeup

02:01:25.040 and there's a lot of humor in the bible actually if you really dig in there's there's some stuff man

02:01:28.960 like when elijah taunts the the prophets of bail you know he's telling him like oh maybe you know maybe

02:01:34.080 bail's hanging on a trip or he's you know he's not with you guys right now and stuff like that so

02:01:38.720 there's the toilet bail is on the toilet it was on the toilet so there's all sorts of humorous stuff

02:01:44.880 that happens in the bible too so humor is not uh and and that's kind of i don't know it's against

02:01:49.520 maybe like a baptist uh interpretation of scripture or something like that but that's i think you say

02:01:55.360 gonz that that's the second time this has come up today and i and i was kind of i was talking to

02:02:00.240 god on the way here about it this idea of ephesians 5 4 um talking about avoiding obsidian foolish talk

02:02:07.520 course joking i think it uses language uh crude language jesting and and i'm like and then instead

02:02:15.680 to have this this uh this spirit of of giving thanks and uh and i'm you know i was just kind of

02:02:22.320 and it came up twice like it came up in this conversation and it came up with another guy who

02:02:26.080 came all the way from indiana just to see us shout out to dave and he said that the holy spirit sent him

02:02:31.440 and he said that not to change what we're doing because i was i was trying to you know with with

02:02:37.200 comedy you wonder if you cross the line trying to apologize for the things we've said i've done a

02:02:40.880 lot i've said a lot of things and uh and i and i think that i do cross the line often and i try to

02:02:46.560 you know pull that back but like better within me there is you know a lot of humor a lot of humor and

02:02:53.040 i'm just trying to understand we did the bible study just recently on uh first kings with ahab

02:02:58.160 i found the entire chapter very funny and we made fun of ahab a lot god plotting against him ahab being

02:03:03.760 just a wimpy whiny to his wife sorry it's very funny to me i'm not gonna eat my bread today it's

02:03:09.120 like but you have to eat your bread no i don't want you reading this and matt's reading and he's

02:03:13.200 very serious straight bible i'm very serious and he's like this is this is heavy and i was like this

02:03:16.880 is funny it's very funny this is very funny to me and then she goes don't worry i'll go and kill

02:03:21.200 them all for you and take their land you know it's like but he won't give me his vineyard i'm

02:03:24.320 like this is very it is it's very funny so so i don't know man i just but i just wanted to say

02:03:28.720 guns it's it's interesting because we find that too i'm sure you guys do it's like you have a

02:03:32.400 thing wrong with us and yeah that's for sure and hopefully you know god can help us with that but

02:03:37.360 um you know through the through this show uh you know sometimes you get little things the

02:03:42.240 conversation goes in a way where it's like i'm asking god to send the holy spirit guide my words

02:03:46.960 also if this is meant to be revealed to me reveal it to me and he sent the guy with the vr goggles and

02:03:51.520 he sent the guy guys and the v that's a great point dog that's a great point yeah i mean listen i i

02:03:57.920 i did most of our audio most of our listeners are on audio they're gonna listen to this and go

02:04:02.960 what are they talking about they're gonna go banger oh yeah it's a banger but then the the video ones

02:04:08.160 are gonna be like i just got some like crazy life lessons from a guy with googly eyes which like yeah

02:04:13.760 that's it sometimes god sends you a guy with googly eyes guns i'm sorry for interrupting please

02:04:17.520 continue you're fine i think you make some great points there and yeah i think i think the laughter has

02:04:21.600 to come from a place of joy and not conceit or or you know going too hard on somebody else but

02:04:27.680 psalm 2 and i mentioned earlier how psalm 2 talks about the the conspiracy the kings psalm 2 verse

02:04:33.360 2 the kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the lord or conspire

02:04:38.320 with one another in some translation that's huge and then in two verses later the one enthroned in

02:04:44.000 heaven laughs the lord taunts them so even the lord is looking at all these conspiring kings of the

02:04:50.080 earth trying to come and he's like dude what are you guys doing you know so i i think there's a place

02:04:54.800 for that and if you again it's either you cry or laugh about this stuff and um i think bringing

02:05:00.320 that joy is important because these topics are heavy and they are impactful and they are important

02:05:07.280 and uh ultimately it's it's it's your salvation you know we're talking about christ your relationship

02:05:13.440 with christ your salvation your your eternity is what we're talking about so in the in that context

02:05:18.400 serious topics seriously important uh but when it comes to the world issues i think uh we can step

02:05:24.320 back and and find the uh ironies and some of the things that are ridiculous and humorous about it

02:05:30.400 and point it out and again do it do so enjoy uh because otherwise uh we're just going to be curled

02:05:36.000 up in a ball in the corner and crying and you know nobody wants that so yeah the joy of the lord

02:05:40.560 is our strength right there another book nobody reads yeah including myself there you go well

02:05:49.680 that's uh that's it man that was great thank you guys so much for for joining us

02:05:56.000 it was so like it's just weird for me you know because i it's like i started a conversation on the

02:06:01.440 way here with just me and god and then just ended a conversation with all you guys on something that

02:06:06.880 like you didn't know i was talking about it's just strange um where can everybody find you guys

02:06:13.440 well you can find my yeah you can find me on x at face like the sun that's s-u-n it's based on

02:06:19.200 matthew 17 and revelation 2. uh you can also uh go to youtube look for face like the sun there

02:06:27.120 i think if you just type in age of deceit you'll be able to find my channel and then for canary cry

02:06:32.640 radio uh actually i think our website's down basil i think okay websites are nothing but we have this

02:06:41.280 problem where our our entire career has now splintered into several different places mostly

02:06:47.200 thanks to getting banned from youtube so many times um but the the best way to find our show

02:06:53.120 we do canary cry news talk it's a show we do twice a week uh just going i don't want to say it's just

02:07:00.240 necessarily a news show but it's very much similar to uh a little bit what we did here we'll follow

02:07:05.600 whatever's going on in conspiracy land or headlines or whatever politics blah blah blah boring stuff but

02:07:12.400 we make it fun and apply the bible to it um as often as we can two times a week we also do

02:07:19.440 a show called canary cry clubhouse on that same channel uh and uh canary cry radio you can find

02:07:27.280 canary cry news talk on all your podcast players we're also kind of old school we're pretty actually

02:07:33.440 new and not very good at the vet at the video thing but we try uh but we're old school everything's on

02:07:38.880 all the podcast players um just just remember this is the hardest thing and it's our fault and we screwed

02:07:45.200 it up when we did and we never were able to recover from it canary cry radio is our original show

02:07:52.320 interviews long form deep dive explorations canary cry news talk is our uh news show it's live twice

02:08:00.160 a week so if you search canary cry radio and canary cry news talk you'll find them both and apologies

02:08:06.160 for the bad website and uh i'm on x to basil underscore rose water um you can say basil if you want but it's

02:08:15.200 basil you know it's funny and i don't blame anybody he's from new york there's people who tell me that

02:08:24.480 they have been listening to us for over a decade they're raising their children you know listening to

02:08:30.480 us and they'll still call me basil to my face so it's totally fine it's it's all good um but yeah connect

02:08:37.520 with us we've got just a really incredible community i know a bunch of our people are fans of

02:08:43.040 nephilim death squad they'll be stoked we've been keeping this uh under wraps so hopefully as it

02:08:47.920 comes as a nice surprise to some people but yeah man it's truly a pleasure we love we just love seeing

02:08:53.760 what you guys are doing um love seeing how well you're doing it uh we just want to support you in

02:08:59.440 whatever way we can and uh hopefully we can stay buddies well thank you man i i plan on it basil

02:09:05.520 it's a lot of fun uh i'm just planning don't you dare talking to you guys and uh we'll have to do

02:09:12.320 it again soon absolutely let me let me play this jingle we've had this jingle for a long time please

02:09:18.000 and it is a nephilim update jingle he's like let me get you oh i like that nephilim update

02:09:24.800 there you go there's another jingle that's awesome excellent everything is nephilim news

02:09:33.680 well we we have something called the nephilim news network that we kind of like abandoned because

02:09:37.280 we just do it rarely it's like it's not a thing that i'm going to keep on the line we do cross the

02:09:41.520 line i can't do it we know they forgot about some of the jokes we made yeah i think i'm a world

02:09:46.400 record holder for side projects that uh just kind of went away for one just like us for real yeah

02:09:53.680 i like these guys hermano like respect the grind respect the grind absolutely guys guys thank you

02:10:00.080 for coming on it's been an excellent day of podcasting as we go into the thanksgiving holidays

02:10:05.200 i hope you guys enjoy your time oh happy thanksgiving happy i don't know pagan uh harvest season

02:10:10.400 i don't know bird day eat the bird bird day baby yep there you go you guys too

02:10:16.880 family guys until next time don't forget to obey submit and comply we'll see you later

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Nephilim Death Squad - December 04, 2025

Age of Deceit, Tucker, Zionism & The Great Deception w⧸ Canary Cry Podcast

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