00:04:12.880uh it's us and a bunch of other homies and you guys are throwing your own event sam triply is
00:04:16.860going to be there that's going to be a ton of fun and i can't tell you guys how pumped i am
00:04:21.040not only because you guys are pulling together such a cool event but because i don't have to
00:04:25.620orchestrate it and it's i just got to get on stage and say some crazy shit which is man that's
00:04:32.560fantastic yeah that's fair that's right in my wheelhouse very easy to do oh by the way the uh
00:04:37.280the mic boxes came in yesterday so we're getting into production with that we're gonna i'm gonna
00:04:42.860hook them up with hell yeah like for the con boxes yeah that's cool that's very cool it'd be dope
00:04:48.100yeah black name's gonna be there i'm very excited to see keisha black name in person um but yeah i
00:04:54.160mean why don't you tell us a little bit like what's truth or con gonna be so i wanted to i
00:04:58.480wanted it to be like um i told my dad like this was a long time ago i was like wouldn't it be
00:05:04.440cool if like they didn't have like just splatter stuff like it was just like everything just a
00:05:09.680little bit of everything a little bit of every kind of conspiracy he said he thought it was a
00:05:12.960good idea him and my mom and then they both died and then so i was like jake one day on the beach
00:05:17.980we were at panama city beach i was like hey dude i have this idea but i don't know if we're gonna
00:05:22.900do anything with it and jake was like let's do it and i said let's do it and so we did it
00:05:27.100and the first year was pretty awesome and uh it's like i like the fact that it's just a little bit
00:05:33.020of everything any kind of conspiracy like i'll be talking about helen keller probably how she was a
00:05:37.660fraud and uh something about florida brings good ideas something about florida i don't know what it
00:05:43.960is yeah yeah is that where you guys came up with the because we didn't you know exactly know how
00:05:49.840the format was going to play out or what we were going to be talking about until about five days
00:05:54.340before i think is when you asked me and i said i have this idea and i said it at least rapidly
00:06:00.040enough that you and matt felt okay about it you're like okay clearly he's thought of something
00:06:04.060but really it was like i got up on stage had no idea what we're going to talk about at all
00:06:08.140um is that where you got your ideas when you were down here um we'll say so just for jake's
00:06:15.280argument okay i like that that's good i kind of bringing it up to jake there because it was his
00:06:20.100birthday and we were just shooting the shit and i was like the time was ripe yeah it was
00:06:26.560because all the other things died and all the other things died and then there was nothing we
00:06:31.840were like let's do it let's do it and it was it's it was super fun i think well time i'm excited for
00:06:38.580this uh we are we have to get our plane tickets very soon uh we were actually talking about that
00:06:42.780the other day and so i imagine we're probably going to get them sometime this week so we're
00:06:46.200definitely going to be there if you guys are listening and you're in dallas uh you didn't
00:06:50.080get a chance to come to bro grove or you did and you just want more of that sort of thing which i
00:06:54.180can understand right i mean this idea you're in any of the states surrounding dallas except for
00:06:58.060mexico don't come if you're from mexico and if you're a canadian definitely we didn't say that
00:07:03.660at our event and we had a couple we had yeah i mean i don't know how you feel about that you
00:07:07.940guys feel about that but like we want to put that out there for you we actually can't be there if
00:07:12.040there's going to be canadians we had a bushel of canadians at hours and uh that's actually
00:07:16.080technically what you call that is a group of canadians it's called a bushel it's called a
00:07:19.340maple i'm not gonna let it happen again um so if you're hearing this you hear this out of my voice
00:07:23.920Don't show up if you're from Canada. But if you want more, I mean, this idea of the community getting together, I think before the old guard, guys like your dad, they were wearing suits and they were presenting things in a very official manner because they were scrutinized so heavily by the public and by the intellectual communities.
00:07:46.480and it was a real struggle to be taken seriously so they made great efforts to do so they were
00:07:54.060presenting things in a very formal fashion um and even the way that they appeared while they
00:08:00.060were on stage was done in such a way as just to garner the respect of the the intellectual
00:08:06.220community not not exclusively for that but part of it was that times are different now i mean you
00:08:11.840guys were on our stage you saw how wild that was and you're doing those wearing the same shirt
00:08:16.760yes that's right um i can see how how it's appealing to people to just be among normal
00:08:24.520folk well i mean that's a kind of a stretch of a word um but to be around like-minded people
00:08:30.960who aren't concerned with uh the optics of things very well put i don't know you know just being the
00:08:40.700everyday guy looking after truth. I think just coming from a low point of we're just trying to
00:08:45.720figure stuff out actually makes us more palatable to everybody because back in the, you know, the
00:08:50.380early presenter conference days, you're right. They were very refined, uh, very careful in what
00:08:57.020they said. Um, but at the same time, even then people were mocking their ideas and stuff. And
00:09:02.040nowadays we recognize that it actually takes being able to admit you're wrong on different topics
00:09:07.340to learn at all and so if we're coming to this event with this open mind we get to like kind of
00:09:12.940be this fly on the wall for these researchers intellectual types that are going to be you know
00:09:18.660putting their heads together at a live event because a lot of people can watch youtube videos
00:09:23.040all day we've seen a lot of these presenters youtube teachings and and it's it's really
00:09:27.980getting people in the same room that creates the value and just kind of like what you guys had for
00:09:32.860your event doing the round table it's those moments where you have like people pitting ideas
00:09:38.440off of each other that you get actual like really interesting interaction yeah i don't want people
00:09:44.060to have fun you know just have fun doing it oh i'm planning on having a ton of fun there like
00:09:49.300i already see the uh i see the potential in what you guys are building and it's like similar to
00:09:56.540like how everyone was buzzing around and just talking and making friends and doing stuff like
00:10:00.700I look forward to doing it at this time while watching you guys suffer and try to plug things in.
00:10:07.940I'll be there for help, for emotional support.
00:10:10.840Yeah, my help is exclusively in moving things around.
00:10:15.120He's the tech help, so keep that in mind.
00:10:18.140I think we're going to be there a day early.
00:10:19.940I don't know how much you guys are going to need help setting up at the venue, but we're there.
00:10:23.800So, you know, feel free to give us a shout.
00:10:25.340um tell everybody who's gonna be there because that's actually a pretty cool uh lineup that
00:10:31.980you got going on so we have uh gary wayne uh trying to think off the thing so why don't you
00:10:38.860bring that image up to the way gary wayne uh he's a canuk by the way sorry he is a canadian i'm so
00:10:47.040unbelievable so you guys josh keith he can't come now i thought we were actually sacrificing him
00:10:54.020right wasn't that what it said we're gonna sacrifice gary way not because we don't love
00:10:57.000him but because we did float around and this is this is crazy but we floated around the area
00:11:01.220we floated around the idea of uh just like harassing gary wayne low like real low key
00:11:08.280like like just keep walking by and taking selfies with him behind us but really far in the distance
00:11:14.260behind us like at least 10 feet 15 feet i would i mean make con i would love to make contact with
00:11:19.720him and say hey my name's top and we do a show but i think it would be so much better if we just
00:11:23.760made it super awkward with guy i would love to never shake his hand but to only open up for high
00:11:28.660fives he has the darkest sense of humor out of anybody we've ever had on does he really
00:11:35.940my jokes yeah and so that was pretty cool he's cool he's actually really cool and he has a twin
00:11:42.640brother which i didn't know what that's crazy as hell so does albarino does he really now
00:11:47.620i think he sacrificed him i don't know really what happened yeah i think he might have eaten
00:11:51.540him to absorb his power we actually have two twins on stage uh josh keith uh founded earth
00:11:58.020brother is also a twin so really got this twin conference and we're bringing in all the twins
00:12:04.300and then you know see what happens that's why we had to invite y'all because our first you know
00:12:09.520show with you guys we were like oh we're all twinning so that's why you're on the thing yeah
00:12:14.140very much uh very much a similar um energy between between us and schema news nation um
00:12:21.500i see yeah you got sam tripley which is going to be a lot of fun uh jt jt's on the on the roster
00:12:26.900now that's awesome man yeah jt and then big nick i don't know if you know who he is he was like
00:12:31.680part of the uh part of this big youtube channel but he saw some evil stuff and he's supposed to
00:12:37.860be there and then uh uh steven pigeon but we're gonna have a night dedicated just to comedy like
00:12:44.520it's like i said please don't censure yourself like just say whatever you want like be be yourself
00:12:50.260be a comedian that's awesome is is steven pigeon the orthodox uh priest the one that was on tucker
00:12:55.380no um i don't know he's a publisher he's a publisher for the the sephir he like put a lot
00:13:03.200of the extra biblical texts out there uh he had a really popular book you know between 2017 2018
00:13:08.500sold like 100 000 copies and it's it's one of the places people can get easy access to these lesser
00:13:14.400known apocryphal texts okay that's very cool that's going to be an interesting guy to to kind
00:13:19.980of hang around and pick his brain a little bit well like i said i'm looking forward to it so
00:13:23.520if anybody's in that dallas area or you don't mind traveling come out to truth or con and uh you can
00:13:28.260touch hop's face oh well okay there you go all right i'll allow it if you do go out there yeah
00:13:33.980not nancy we said that about ed mabry that if you come out to our event you can touch
00:13:39.100like this like and then they showed up and they touched his face uh and he was how do they feel
00:13:44.100about that he okay he came up to me he was like i've had my face touched and it's your fault and
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00:16:43.880going to talk to yourself for an hour you might as well publish it uh so i wanted to tell a quick
00:16:49.780story i guess because before we get into it i know we have forgot yeah this is great important
00:16:54.440uh cat stuff to talk about alien cats but um so you were talking about before the show jake that
00:17:00.740your wi-fi is called uh uh happy wi-fi happy wi-fi happy li-fi that's very funny and it got
00:17:09.180us talking thinking about this wi-fi story old old story like back when i first do you know how
00:17:13.940how david got the job on nds yeah that was a that's a uh-huh oh boy man this is like deep
00:17:20.200lore and like deep lore yeah a lot of people that are new here think that uh this is kind of like
00:17:26.440bullshit like we're putting on it was like not really like this is okay he got he got the the
00:17:32.180spot because we were doing i was doing a show called tower gang it was a comedy show and we
00:17:36.480did something called cocktober yeah so god it feels bad even saying i know it does feel terrible
00:17:47.640christian show christian show it's very gay yeah oh it's super oh i put ben uh i see ben in the
00:17:55.780chat so he could relate oh he'll understand yeah cocktober is where our listeners would submit
00:18:00.660why man it's just such a crazy thing to say it's where the listeners of the show would submit
00:18:08.500their cocks for ratings yes that and that toad would rate them he would well so the way it would
00:18:14.720go was that do you guys know toad no no i don't think so you would love maybe maybe if i knew his
00:18:21.140real name uh no you definitely wouldn't know by his real name he only goes by toad on there he's
00:18:26.020the guy that covered hail hitler by with the ukulele do you remember that he got fired from
00:18:30.020his job got fired from everything oh yeah love that song now he's super depressed it's actually
00:18:35.180gonna be the song when i come out at truth or con is it really yo i don't know i don't know yet
00:18:39.440it should be that's a banger so um yeah the game would be that toad gets the picture
00:18:45.120and we would get like 10 of these or something like that over the month of october and each
00:18:50.240episode he would describe the picture to us and i told him describe it in artistic detail
00:18:54.740paint this picture with your tongue and he would and then we'd vote on who has the best
00:19:01.240uh who had the best picture and it wasn't it was the scale was like it was never about size that's
00:19:06.640not about it was about like presentation presentation is ever the second guy who won
00:19:10.840and he absolutely crushed uh yeah he crushed but the scale was like one to scrum diddly umptious
00:19:15.680yes and and it was also a blind test only toad knew who was sending in the picture if the person
00:19:21.680and sent their whole body uh so we anyway first coctober winner was david yeah and his prize i
00:19:29.040had to draw it and i put it on a t-shirt from do you still have that shirt oh of course i still
00:19:32.940have that shirt yeah yeah it's a raven it's a it's a you know anatomically correct raven
00:19:37.020uh with with my penis on it um and so and then we started a show and i think it really went
00:19:43.420so yeah in the beginning of of that um era of of our friendship just to say this one story
00:19:53.820uh there was a bunch of really funny stuff because we were doing purely a cover i was
00:19:58.760appearing on a comedy show that they did called tower gang and i told this story where um i thought
00:20:04.040it was funny to name my wi-fi silly shit and then i would name my my password even sillier shit so
00:20:13.040So I think I think the the Wi-Fi was something like a dirty butthole or something like that, like dirty butthole.
00:20:26.540I forget exactly what it was, but one day the little girl from next door and I'm telling you, she's got to be like 12 or something like that.
00:20:33.000um she is locked out of her house i think and she needs to come over to my house to use the wi-fi
00:20:40.220so that she can get in touch with her parents or something like that like on her phone
00:20:44.020and so i go like okay sure because i'm trying to be a good neighbor not remembering and she
00:20:49.880tries to step into my my my uh house by the way and i go like no no no no so she stands in my
00:20:55.840doorway and she goes okay which one's yours and i go oh my god because i've remembered now that
00:21:02.440this little girl is about to try to log into my wi-fi and i remember what my wi-fi name and
00:21:06.520password is so honestly i do think it was like peepee poo poo was oh yeah i think it was the
00:21:13.380name of the wi-fi so the wi-fi was so i'm an adult man right with a son in school and a wife
00:21:19.980and uh i go uh it's uh it's uh it's uh it's peepee poo poo and she she looks at me and then looks at
00:21:31.340the phone it goes okay i got it and she clicks on it and she goes um so what's the password and i go
00:21:41.180it's uh no it's it's wash your butthole 69
00:21:45.120which is so fucking crazy to tell a 12 year old girl i swear to god i thought i was going to
00:21:52.820fucking jail allegedly allegedly i don't know if this is a crime or anything like that but
00:21:59.040i've since uh changed that and i don't do that anymore although i do kind of think that then
00:22:04.300the name of my wi-fi is still peepee poo poo uh but it's no longer um watch your butt hole 69 so
00:22:09.960i i learned a little bit we're all telling wi-fi stories here yeah yeah yeah yeah um so there's
00:22:15.160a story for you what about alien cats man just a hard transition i don't know you you guys brought
00:22:22.800it up right before we ended the show and i was like that was a weird cliffhanger so we're gonna
00:22:27.400have to come on your show i guess and talk about it so i don't know you just said alien cats and i
00:22:31.660was like that's pretty awesome because i have three cats uh they're like my children is this
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01:10:46.920I want to talk about the villages, by the way, after this, I kind of want to, you know what, let's I want to ask you guys.
01:11:00.080We'll put this back on screen in a second. You guys came to the villages and most people come here and they go to Bohemian Grove and they just get like whatever Bohemian Grove is.
01:11:08.520That's not the villages. You guys stood in the villages. What did you make of that? You were there for like two, three days.
01:11:14.080yeah it was it was an interesting experience i must say very kind of odd
01:11:20.220so it's interesting to me oh yeah we learned at the last night that the swinger code for these
01:11:29.260old people is the loofahs is this correct yes did you see any or pool no we put one on the
01:11:35.440door to try to see if somebody was one in our airbnb and we just ready to be used what color
01:11:41.260pink pink yeah okay let's look that up yeah so um for the listeners there is a uh kind of like
01:11:50.180a swingers um underground swingers thing going on in the villages where it wasn't long ago that
01:11:55.820a local pastor got kicked out and and uh i don't know he was doing like monogamy not monogamy polygamy
01:12:01.400yeah which is illegal so he was the opposite of a church out here and he was banging and marrying
01:12:06.200all these old women and they sent him to georgia because he was originally from georgia so they
01:12:09.860extradited him a state away i don't know how that works but um so you know you got a little peek uh
01:12:15.660to the underbelly of what goes on here you don't notice it necessarily if you're out and about even
01:12:20.880at night like there's cool areas to have i see him yeah but it's like truman show dude it is it
01:12:26.340is very much like truman show and these but indicate different things that they're down
01:12:33.180you had a pink one pink that means a soft swap so you and jay could have soft swap with people
01:12:37.240probably like everything wasting up um everything from people who like to do it with others in the
01:12:43.740room yeah yeah yeah this is real if you see the black one that's full swap these flyers are
01:12:48.660typically you can get them you know those little things where you get magazines they get them at
01:12:51.580front of the coffee there's like magazine pass this out and you find these yeah yeah well they
01:12:56.040don't pass i i left my lupa at home and i was went to the the walmart in the in the area and
01:13:02.520they were sold out and i was like people are fucking yeah these guys these guys fuck i don't
01:13:07.720know if you heard it was the highest std capital in the world that i was like freaking out i was
01:13:12.940like man so many old ladies were hitting up monty like they multiple women stopped him and we're
01:13:18.700like hey this is trump country what's up was he would come back with these reports he no he would
01:13:25.120come back with reports of like people hitting on him talking to him and then i saw a video
01:13:30.200yeah i saw a video of trump saying i'm gonna sell mar-a-lago and move to the villages and i was
01:13:36.820oh man trump's trying to fuck dude so man i think the mindset behind it is like most of these people
01:13:42.900they're on their way out so like herpes for another five years like who cares like you're
01:13:48.420like i gotta live the rest of my life with herpes and the rest of my life is almost done yeah i
01:13:52.440could go any second yeah yeah but the problem is that the loofahs actually help you find your
01:13:58.560vehicle when you're old um you know if you're walking around and you can't find your vehicle
01:14:02.620you just look for the one with the loofah and they don't remember like nobody remembers they
01:14:05.840all kind of look the same and a lot of the times they just end up getting raped because of that
01:14:09.400because the loofah loofah also it's not just like are you down for this it's like you're consenting
01:14:15.120to this dimitri says sounds like he missed a real party at the villages yeah you did yeah they'll do
01:14:20.140ones where they go to parties and they put all their keys in a bowl that's yeah that's called
01:14:23.920like a fishbowl party yeah and they do that and uh basically like you walk out and you grab a key
01:14:30.200and whoever it belongs to that's who you go home with i think that's you're fucking that's going
01:14:34.300to be the black loofah oh exactly find that out back up yeah there you go uh full swap those who
01:14:42.080say what the hell and let it all go down yep yeah this is real dude i so i had definite uh you guys
01:14:51.600remember the movie hot fuzz oh love that movie yeah oh man i had definitely hot fuzz hot fuzz
01:14:58.060village vibes with the villages like i was like man these people they put on this face but man i
01:15:04.940after learning about the highest std capital you know you're making the point where they're old
01:15:10.060they don't care anymore they have the money and the funds they don't have the responsibility i i'm
01:15:14.960starting to be convinced that this area of florida that you guys live in is like one of the most
01:15:20.540quote-unquote like wicked places in america like you guys are living in modern sodom and gomorrah
01:15:26.140and the villages and it makes sense like you know also the roads the roads i think are like a
01:15:34.480like a metaphor because you know the word wicked is is the word twisted in scripture right yeah
01:15:40.840it is twisted well think about your old your roads going everywhere you're literally twisting around
01:15:47.160anytime you drive neighborhood to neighborhood so like all roundabout the driving the roundabouts
01:15:52.520man are crazy in that area i was like man they they love getting the zoomies like just on their
01:15:56.820golf carts oh by the way it was a really a crazy uh thing we i didn't know about it was the golf
01:16:02.460cart community down there like it's like biker rallies but golf carts every night garage and
01:16:09.580then a little mini garage and i was like that's odd i love it i wish i had um so they're building
01:16:16.360they might be building a square next to my apartment no i don't think so why would they
01:16:20.440do that uh because they already have a square there it's kind of in between both squares
01:16:24.720oh yeah and and the reason that we think that is because it looks like people locally are now
01:16:31.380buying golf carts which means like we could actually get a golf cart to the square because
01:16:35.940i can't get a golf cart on the highway to go to the next square put a loofah on it i put a loofah
01:16:39.860on it then i just want to be able to find it then potentially get raped i'm gonna get a t-shirt
01:16:44.740that said i just wanted to find my golf cart but instead i got anal sex i thought it was so funny
01:16:50.560when i found out about the loofahs i was like fantasizing about pranking jeremiah or somebody
01:16:55.800like next time i go down there i'm gonna buy like a pack of like a funny color and like stick it on
01:17:00.360their thing but put all of them on there i'm into everything whatever you got baby some old people
01:17:06.640are gonna start approaching jeremiah like hey do you can i kidnap you you're okay with this right
01:17:13.420you've already consented with the loofah yeah yeah because we're planning on the next one and
01:17:19.180i want to do it in the village in the village square like not just in the village town but
01:17:24.220in the square itself did you know they made uh there was a show they made i think it was called
01:17:28.900the um shit i forget what the name of it was but it was it was on netflix and it was made by yeah
01:17:33.840lots of ex-cia and fbi who live in the villages yeah for sure and because it's a great place to
01:17:38.340retire and also um keep an eye on everybody it's a it's a kind of a spooky place so uh the borough
01:17:45.780one second i i will agree with uh with jake what you said there like as being one of the i love the
01:17:51.300villages i love how clean and nice it is and like the people are generally nice but like as far as
01:17:56.280wickedness the level of wickedness i think you're right because like when you're young and you're
01:18:00.480doing this kind of shit like whatever you're swinging or you're just sleeping around there's
01:18:05.080consequences but you're also young so you have less life to like measure it up against so you
01:18:09.560you're gonna live and go crazy like i kind of get that when you're 20 and you're just doing wild
01:18:14.200stuff when you're older that's a decision like you've already you've seen everything and you
01:18:21.100still you're still deciding to get shot you know
01:18:24.140that's crazy there's a hole inside of me that needs to be filled with brain matter
01:18:32.600yeah they're riding those golf carts straight to hell yeah they are dude it's interesting that
01:18:38.100we're here doing this thing like right in the because somebody once said to us and the thing
01:18:44.020is god wanted them to to tell us that what we're i forgot who was i love i love i love the villages
01:18:49.720the people and they're nice it's like so much it's it's a stark difference from new york
01:18:53.700they're kind they could be if you're in like tj maxx or whatever they're kind of assholes yeah
01:18:57.640yeah if you're honestly they're very rude in tj maxx they're very rude in marshall's they're
01:19:02.460very rude in ross they don't go in ross really that's a different that's for a different
01:19:06.120demographic um but there is this this show called the burrows and the burrows is a netflix show
01:19:13.040about um aliens right but it's specifically in a place that's modeled after the villages it's by
01:19:19.480the same people that made stranger things and it doesn't take place in florida it takes place in
01:19:23.960like arizona or something like that but it is a retirement community where everything is picture
01:19:30.320perfect and there is like a lot of swinging going on and if you look into it it is um inspired by
01:19:35.940the villages but at night something really creepy happens in the boroughs where everything seems
01:19:40.880perfect and and you know everything's supposed to be like a fantasy land and that creepy thing
01:19:45.780has to do with like demons slash aliens and uh i didn't finish watching it but i just think it's
01:19:52.200remarkable that that is even a thing just especially for us given that we're in the
01:19:56.360villages and we have a show that's all about you know demons and aliens and such uh but when you
01:20:02.380were saying uh that you feel like something nefarious is going on like hot fuzz like i kind
01:20:07.520of feel like there is man oh this is this is great uh yeah we have we actually have a video
01:20:12.300from uh last year owen benjamin coming to the villages kind of like how you guys came and he