Timothy Albarino joins the show to discuss his new documentary, Age of Disclosure. It's a documentary about a group of people who claim to have discovered the truth about the UFO Phenomenon known as Area 51.
00:23:36.680And we know, we would all concede, if you had a dream, if you had a really profound dream, let's say you had a dream last night.
00:23:44.720It was a very, very profound dream, and so profound that when you woke up this morning, you wondered if you actually had gone somewhere,
00:23:54.200or if you were just laying in your bed dreaming.
00:23:56.220And you saw all manner of strange things in your dream.
00:23:59.040You saw centaurs flying around with wings and fawns and all kinds of mythological creatures and rainbows and all different kinds of symbolic images.
00:24:12.020When you woke up in the morning, you would not assume that anything that you saw in your dream was literal.
00:24:57.000And that is the case with cherubim, that is the case with seraphim, and everything that is beheld within those kinds of perceptual experiences.
00:25:05.920It is a world of symbolism, and it has to be interpreted as such, or you'll make the mistake of attempting to derive literal interpretations from symbolic iconography from the ancient Near East.
00:25:24.480Well, to be fair, though, it's not just a vision where Elisha's servant shows up.
00:25:29.760He's surrounded by the camp of the Syrian army.
00:25:32.480They look up into the mountains, and there are horses and chariots of fire.
00:25:50.380I think there's maybe some debate on that, but I think that's going to take the conversation sideways because what we're really discussing is like, hold on, but it is like the Hebrews passage.
00:25:59.820It says, be careful entertaining strangers unaware because some have entertained angels.
00:26:03.760And I think that's Timothy Alvarino's point is that they are this elder race that we're so compatible with.
00:26:08.220We look so much like there can even be intermingling of sex.
00:26:10.820But this is the type of angel that we're talking about, is the ones that do look like humans.
00:26:15.240Okay, but I do want to make the point because I think it pertains to the overall argument that David is proposing with Timothy Alvarino.
00:26:23.360There's multiple scriptures where they're described in the same way.
00:26:26.340And whether this is an encounter in a dream realm or in a lucid state or waking, which is up for debate, it's still over and over.
00:26:34.620So we have a couple of testimonial accounts in the Bible itself, which I adhere to firmly.
00:26:40.860And it's describing these guys as having wings.
00:26:46.460And we're just talking about just the cherubim.
00:26:48.380We're not talking about the seraphim as well.
00:26:49.900But by that same logic, then, if we're talking about aliens, greys, most of these encounters that we're going to, I'm sure you're going to produce evidence.
00:26:59.420Most of these come in states of sleep paralysis, deep sleep, REM sleep.
00:27:12.140There was a question that I did have, though, on, you know, just in the nature of the Nephilim.
00:27:15.920And I know we conventionally describe them as giants.
00:27:19.440I wonder then if you could surmise it quickly.
00:27:22.840And I know it's a big ask because it's a big topic.
00:27:24.660But how then do you interpret the chimeric creatures that were part of various pantheons, like the Greek pantheons, for example, where you have half man, half animal gods?
00:27:35.260Are these physical entities, in your opinion?
00:27:37.680Are they a byproduct of, you know, fallen angels or angels that were cast down mating with human beings?
00:27:44.100Or are these strictly spiritual entities that are not a byproduct of interspecies, you know, mingling and are just these things that exist in the spiritual realm?
00:27:53.380Well, first, I guess, in the first place, I would contest the idea that there's a spiritual realm.
00:28:03.860But these composite beings from ancient Near Eastern and Greek mythology are, I believe, and this isn't going to surprise you, symbolic.
00:28:18.640And there's a lot of, there's a lot of indication, and in fact, I would say evidence that they are, in fact, symbolic.
00:28:24.620Now, whether or not any of these creatures actually existed, whether or not centaurs were real, I don't know.
00:28:33.340Well, it's a lot of people like to think that these were the result of like a watcher copulating with a horse.
00:28:40.700There is an indication, it could be interpreted this way, from the Dead Sea Scroll Book of Giants, in which there's mention of watchers selecting each of them, selecting a particular kind of animal to copulate with.
00:29:03.500Or, you could also interpret that, because it's highly fragmented, the text, you could also interpret that as these angels not copulating with these creatures, but engaging in what we would, what we would today call cross-species genetics.
00:29:17.640Now, it should be noted that the Book of Giants, there's no, there's no way to know if the Book of Giants is an authentic text that was taken as veritable history by the Hebrews.
00:29:28.840Certainly, the Book of Enoch was portions of the Book of Enoch, let me be careful there, the earliest portions, namely the Book of the Watchers, the historical portion.
00:29:36.100I would also contend the Book of Parables, but, which is within First Enoch, but there, outside of that one reference in the Book of Giants, I'm not convinced that the Watchers were producing these chimeric creatures in the antediluvian world.
00:29:56.340If you refer to Greek mythology, if you refer to the iconography of the ancient Egyptians and the ancient Near East in general, clearly these creatures are symbolic, just as they are in the Bible.
00:30:14.280In fact, I would say most of this is astrological.
00:30:16.420And because we've lost this body of information, we don't think like ancient people do, we don't understand the heavens the way that they did, we miss the astrological meaning behind all of this.
00:31:21.500And you look at the four faces of the cherubim, or if you're reading the verse in which it's a composite of four creatures, same four creatures, it doesn't matter.
00:31:31.460Let's take the description where the four faces are different.
00:31:34.640So you have the face of a man, then you have the face of an eagle, then you have the face of a lion, and then you have the face of an ox.
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00:32:09.840Because the Bible was written by people from the ancient Near East.
00:32:13.320It was written in that culture, to that culture, using the symbology of that culture and the ideas from that culture.
00:32:18.820And that's a broad, we're broadly speaking of Mesopotamia and the Eastern Mediterranean in general, the ancient Egyptians and the ancient Greeks, Greeks and the Persians and so forth.
00:32:33.420That's what I mean when I invoke the ancient Near East and the Canaanites.
00:32:37.180And within the midst of that, the Israelites themselves.
00:32:41.120And remember, Abraham came from Mesopotamia.
00:36:15.540Furthermore, the cherubim are covered in eyes all around, it says.
00:36:24.380Well, the word for eyes, and I don't have it in front of me here, but the word for eyes, see if I can remember if it pops into my brain, the Hebrew word for eyes is used interchangeably with the word for stars, because the eyes twinkle, the eyes glisten like the stars.
00:36:41.540So, those words, the idea is interchangeable between eyes and stars.
00:36:49.140And so, if you think of the eyes as stars, then if you look at the zodiacal constellations, if you look up at the night sky, at the constellation of Leo, what is it full of?
00:37:52.340But it was very well known in the ancient Near East.
00:37:55.060So, an ancient Near Eastern astrologer, if they were confronted with the symbology of a chimeric creature, again, let's use the cherubim as a reference here.
00:38:10.620They would automatically interpret that chimeric creature in astrological terms.
00:38:18.500And they would derive from that interpretation a very particular meaning.
00:38:26.860And, again, because these visions of these creatures are in the Bible, of these chimeric creatures, are perceived within the context of a dream or a trance.
00:38:42.240In other words, this is a visionary world.
00:39:07.340Let's say they don't have to be flesh and blood, some sort of chimeric creature, a mix-up of fallen angels and something else.
00:39:14.880Do you at all subscribe to that ideology of the unseen realm, as specifically Michael Heiser puts it?
00:39:21.420And that these old gods were not just symbolic.
00:39:25.280Maybe they were part symbolic, but actual creatures that did exist in a realm that parallels ours or overlays ours, but are actual creatures, not just pure metaphor or symbolism for the zodiac or otherwise.
00:39:41.080No, no, I would think that the cherubim, for example, are symbolic of real creatures, but their anatomy is not representative of those creatures.
00:39:52.140Rather, the cherubim represent, I believe the cherubim represent the princes, the sons of God, the highest order of sons of God.
00:40:02.120So, let's invoke the word irim, watcher, egregori, the watchers in the Greek.
00:40:10.940The watchers, the term watcher can be thought of as, this is an occupational descriptor, just like the word angel.
00:40:18.820And it can be thought of as a being who watches, obviously, but the word watch or to watch is also synonymous with to watch over or to guard, right?
00:40:33.380So, if you're looking at beings who are watching in the sense that they're watching over their guardians, then now you are deriving the same meaning from watcher as you would from cherubim, a throne guardian, based on the iconography of the ancient Near East.
00:40:55.700So, these are the same, from my perception perspective, these are the same thing.
00:41:01.440The cherubim represent watchers, and watchers are guardians.
00:41:06.260And what does it mean to be a guardian in the kingdom?
00:41:10.260So, when the Bible invokes princes, it's talking about very high-ranking sons of God who are imbued with authority to govern in the kingdom of heaven.
00:41:22.260Now, when you invoke a spiritual realm, you have to define your terms here because Heiser, I disagree with Heiser on this point, Heiser would invoke a spiritual realm but never defined it, except to say that it's a disembodied realm.
00:41:41.140Well, I don't see any evidence whatsoever that there's a disembodied realm.
00:41:44.460Would you prefer the terminology dimension, alternate dimension, other dimension, it seems like a popular expression within ufology today that these entities come from an alternate dimension or a portal?
00:41:56.660I'm also having a hard time how you're completely disregarding that term when, I mean, like in popular culture today, we have means of getting into this extra-dimensional realm, inter-dimensional realm.
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00:42:31.600They're going into some kind of under tapestry of a realm.
00:42:37.600Wherever they're going, it speaks that the modern day – go ahead.
00:42:42.200If you were to walk up to a person, which I've done, who's under the influence of DMT, let's say ayahuasca, ayahuasca, that individual hasn't gone anywhere, have they?
00:42:54.020Did they go into a different realm or are they just there, you know, puking in a bucket?
00:43:27.340And then Elisha specifically says, my spirit went with you.
00:43:30.680Are you saying, like, no, that's not something that can happen?
00:43:34.280And if your spirit goes somewhere, is that not a spiritual realm?
00:43:37.820This is a – okay, this is an important distinction.
00:43:42.060That doesn't mean there's a realm, okay?
00:43:44.140Okay, so let's go back to the DMT thing because this is a good example.
00:43:49.920So when somebody's tripping on psilocybin or ayahuasca, they're there, their body's there, just like a person, just like a prophet who's having a trance, right?
00:44:00.340Just like you when you're dreaming and you're in deep REM sleep, having very, very similar experiences when you have profound dreams.
00:44:08.880There's really no difference between a profound dream and somebody tripping on DMT.
00:44:14.160Now, I would say there are some differences, but the experiences are very, very similar.
00:46:25.020That's the agency through which we are able to do this, is electricity.
00:46:30.940Well, in the same way, when people are under the influence of narcotics, especially psychedelics, prominently – especially psychedelics, let's put it in those terms.
00:46:43.260Although this happens when people are – sometimes you can have a lucid vision where you're not under the influence of anything, right?
00:46:56.020You can have a lucid – or if you're, by the way, near-death experience, or if you're dying of thirst, or if you're completely dehydrated, you start to hallucinate.
00:47:06.980So you can have these perceptual experiences.
00:47:09.280And when you're in this perceptual mode, just like we're communicating over the Internet, and I'm going to say again, especially through the agency of psychedelics, I think you can plug into something.
00:47:26.760And it's what I like to call an Internet of consciousness to where other beings are also plugged into this Internet of consciousness.
00:47:35.160And just like we're each plugged into the Internet, we can communicate.
00:47:39.840Well, when you plug your psyche into the Internet of consciousness, you then become open to communication from other intelligences that are there.
00:47:59.020I mean, maybe a better question would be if it happens exclusively in your brain, then how are people having meaningful near-death experiences when they're declared brain dead?
00:48:05.460Because it's not just, it's not exclusive to the brain.
00:48:09.800There's a mechanism in the brain, but the consciousness is outside of the brain.
00:48:13.800So nobody really understands the realm or like your spirit.
00:48:17.160Consciousness is connected to the body in some way.
00:48:20.180And all the near-death experiences, which is a different topic, but near-death experiences are variegated.
00:48:27.380They vary wildly based on a person's cultural background, based on their own religious theological perspectives.
00:48:40.260You know, if you're a Catholic, I talked to a guy that was dead, clinically dead, got blown up in, I think it was Iraq.
00:48:46.460And he was a Catholic, and he had a very Catholic experience where he saw like, I forget the name of the statue, where Mary is holding Jesus.
00:48:57.460That's famous carving where Mary's holding Jesus in her arms.
00:49:01.920And he had an experience, very, very Catholic experience, in which he was dead, and there he is seeing Mary holding Jesus.
00:49:08.940And then suddenly he realizes it's him.
00:49:11.560And all the iconography of this experience was, as I said, was Catholic, was very, very Catholic, because he was a Catholic.
00:49:23.020People have all kinds of experiences, near-death experiences, which tells me that these are perceptual experiences based on the person's own cultural background, theological disposition.
00:49:35.320Sometimes you have an atheist who has a near-death experience, and it's like hell, right?
00:49:40.520Demons and hell and all this kind of stuff.
00:49:42.480Well, maybe that person was subconsciously really worried that maybe hell did exist or whatever.
00:49:53.860Yes, there's some commonalities that people most of the time have a good experience, and this includes, by the way, atheists, most of the time have a good experience.
00:50:05.740They see a light, or they're confronted with, or they're met by their loved ones, or some wonderful communication.
00:50:17.720They receive some wonderful communication from a disembodied voice, or they're in this beautiful place.
00:50:22.940I mean, and then you have the hellscapes, and then you have everything in between.
00:50:27.400So I wouldn't use near-death experience to try and bolster the idea that there's a spiritual realm.
00:50:37.660So do I believe – let's change the definition here, okay?
00:50:42.280Let's not talk about a spiritual realm, because if you're going to invoke a spiritual realm, you have to tell me, first of all, what makes a spiritual realm different than a physical realm?
00:51:05.120No, it's fantastic, but I recognize that we're dealing with an intangible thing here.
00:51:09.660I think it's wise to move on to the more nuts and bolts aspect of what we actually came to talk about, which is this thing that we're on the cusp of.
00:51:18.000Now, the show is called Are Aliens, Demons?
00:51:22.140This is a cheeky way of getting into a larger conversation.
00:51:28.720That is the thing that I find most fascinating about the things that you have to say in this conversation, this greater conversation about aliens.
00:51:35.680Now, the way that I want to set this up –
00:51:58.300And throughout that documentary, you, Tom Horn, and Steve Quayle do a fantastic job of laying out not only the compelling evidence for giants having created megalithic structures and technology being utilized to create megalithic structures, given the fitment of the stones, et cetera, but one of the things that really stuck out was when you were talking about the Vatican and the role that it was going to play in a coming disclosure deception.
00:52:22.920We talked about, or you talked about on that documentary, how the pope was alluding to baptizing space brethren, et cetera, et cetera.
00:53:11.980We're sitting here where I would call this for – and it's cheeky, right?
00:53:17.720And it's maybe a caricaturization of what this documentary was.
00:53:22.980But the age of disclosure feels, for all intents and purposes, like a government-funded disclosure operation.
00:53:29.420Now, a lot of people have been waiting for alien disclosure, yourself included, myself included, for 20, 30 years.
00:53:35.040As far back as this phenomenon has been taking place, what is strange to me is now we can get lost in the weeds about, well, what is a demon?
00:53:45.600Is this phenomenon in opposition to God, et cetera?
00:53:49.580But if you believe that the Antichrist is going to emerge, which I agree with, and I thought your research on the matter was very compelling, and it is in alignment with our research, along with countless other people in the space.
00:54:02.300It's not like our thoughts are original.
00:54:03.900It's kind of like you've actually formed an argument that has formed an argument that has now come to argue with you.
00:54:17.820So there is a time in your studies where you suspect the Antichrist is going to come from this disclosure.
00:54:24.160As far as I'm concerned, Tim, it looks to me like age of disclosure is the biggest step in that direction, and it is filled with a bunch of people who have worked in the intelligence community.
00:54:34.560And I'm not saying that automatically makes them discredited.
00:54:37.920In fact, I don't even necessarily think that's what's happening.
00:54:54.360People accused me of having gotten the call.
00:54:58.160I was actually looking at your Twitter just the other day.
00:55:00.500It was a flippant thing that you said to somebody, but somebody was criticizing Elizondo, and you said jokingly, oh, do you think that he got the call?
00:55:17.020But to put it in the words of either Steve Quill or Tom Horn, this is the great deception, and I find that it is a higher likelihood that the people that are involved in parading this thing around are themselves deceived, are meaning well.
00:55:31.580Just like the people that you say, using the language of demons or demonic to describe this phenomenon, mean well but are misguided.
00:55:39.340I think a lot of these people that are in this space mean well but are misguided.
00:55:42.840So what happened in this time, what sort of information did you gather that doesn't make you a guy who's been in this space for a long time sound the alarm, sound the alarm, because to me it looks like the enemy is almost on the horizon.
00:55:55.860This great deception that leads to the Antichrist is at our doorstep, closer than it's ever been, surely, and it's got more eyes on it than ever, and the narrative is being rolled out and formed, and it's also being packaged in a way where everybody has their talking points.
00:56:11.620I'm in the military for 28 years, I saw these things.
00:56:15.020I've been in the Air Force for 30 years, I saw these things.
00:56:17.280I've been in the Navy for X amount of years, I saw these things.
00:56:19.980And we're getting our talking point, we're getting our repetition.
00:56:23.320It's beyond me or anybody that listens to this show to trust the experts, and I know that you say that's an ironic place to be because if the government did come out and tell us the truth, we simply wouldn't be able to believe them because of the distrust that we have for them.
00:56:34.220So, yeah, maybe that's a discussion to have.
00:56:40.160I imagine if I was a guy that truly was convicted in this idea that the Antichrist would come from this system, I would be sounding the alarm.
00:56:46.960What is it that you were introduced to that changed that tone?
00:56:50.320What would you be sounding the alarm about?
00:56:53.460I would sound the alarm about the nature of listening to experts talk about disclosure, experts like let's say the Vatican, for example, and that you should have a very healthy distrust for anything that presents itself as this alien phenomenon.
00:57:12.260And that really your eyes and your heart should be focused on Jesus Christ.
00:57:16.720Okay, but let's talk about the nature of the deception that you're referencing.
00:57:23.820First of all, my thoughts on this topic specifically, I don't believe I would disagree with anything I said in those films.
00:57:31.620And I have evolved, my perception has evolved, my perspective rather, on certain topics, but all of that is laid out in Birthright.
00:57:40.120That's why I asked you if you read Birthright, because in Birthright, I talk about precisely what you're referencing, that the Antichrist, I believe, is going to come and be received.
00:57:53.280He's going to come, I believe, at the helm of an aerospace vehicle and will be received as an extraterrestrial savior and that he will be received by Christians as the second coming of Christ.
00:58:21.500And, or perhaps, perhaps, and or a, some kind of a cataclysmic event, you know, an asteroid or something like that.
00:58:33.860And so that, the deception that I talk about in regard to this topic is the presentation of this imposter, this person who is claiming to be Christ, but who is, from my perspective, the seed of Satan, the offspring, the son of Satan, who will present himself to the world as our savior.
00:58:58.300Yes, I believe that the Vatican is quietly, especially the Jesuits, quietly crafting, quietly building the theological substrate, the foundation to receive our alien saviors.
00:59:13.680And I believe that those alien saviors, in contrast to gray aliens, which, of course, are, are ugly little exotic beings.
00:59:23.720The saviors that, the saviors that the world will receive with open arms are going to be, are going to look like us, are going to look like what the, in ufology are called the, the Pleiadians or the Nordics.
00:59:44.320My perspective on, none of, none of that has changed.
00:59:47.120So, just to clarify, because I got lost a little bit there.
00:59:49.340You're saying that you expect this savior that will be Antichrist or the Antichrist to come from this camp, this tall Nords, this Pleiadians, and that they're going to defeat this threat that is the gray aliens.
01:02:16.060It's the Luciferian lie that Yahweh was a tyrant who enslaved mankind.
01:02:25.460And that it was actually this figure we call Lucifer, which is actually a misnomer from the Vulgate, this being that the Bible defines as the devil and Satan, who was in Eden, the garden of God with Eve, that that being will be presented as the real benefactor of mankind.
01:02:43.860This is the Promethean benefactor of mankind.
01:03:16.260And I've always maintained that, and I maintain that to this day.
01:03:20.580Now back up, and let's kind of reverse engineer your thoughts here.
01:03:25.320So you have to define what you believe specifically is the deception, because if you are here to say that the deception is crash retrievals and gray aliens, I'm going to disagree with you.
01:03:40.880I never claimed that it was the great deception.
01:03:42.320I said that Tom Horner, Steve Quill said that, but I think that you've laid that out really well.
01:03:47.740And from this position, we can ask a couple of follow-up questions.
01:03:50.720Now, I would say that I agree that Gnostic view, Yaldoboath, the demiurge, being the, you know, imprisoner of the planet and all this other stuff and rebellion.
01:04:00.100I can see that that is the way that this is more than likely going to unfold.
01:04:05.760But what I'm curious about is I watch you, in many cases, push back against anybody who will say something like aliens are demons or aliens are demonic.
01:04:17.380But from what you just described, from the Pleiadians will likely emerge this antichrist savior figure after they destroy the grays.
01:04:25.980Where in this body of ETs or NHIs or any of the rebranding that we've given them recently, is there something worthy of giving pause to that statement?
01:04:38.040That statement being, this is demonic or these are demons.
01:04:41.500Couldn't it be said that if you dismiss the aliens as of that ilk, then you're pretty well safe?
01:04:52.780I mean, acknowledging reality doesn't open you up to deception.
01:04:58.800So, whether or not you're going to fall for the deception, the great deception is going to depend on how deep your roots go in the gospel of Christ.
01:05:09.780And if you are loyal to the king of heaven or disloyal, that's what the deception is going to hinge on.
01:05:16.000It's not going to be, you're not going to be tricked into anything.
01:05:55.320The average person is working at nine to five.
01:05:57.480The world will be subjected to this large deception.
01:06:02.040If the antichrist is going to come from the Pleiadians, if the grays are going to be defeated and they're going to look like heroes, perhaps it is better for the average person to just look at the entire phenomenon and go, this is not of God.
01:06:15.780This is a distraction from my walk with Jesus Christ.
01:06:18.340And therefore, I'm going to focus on that instead of whatever's happening here, and I'm going to reject that.
01:06:23.380So when the Pleiadians do come down to this person who is not equipped, who really could be – I wonder, your body of knowledge is representative of what percentage of the population, meaning who else has access to –
01:07:16.860We have these whistleblowers, including Lou Elizondo, David Grush, and the others who've come forward.
01:07:23.480And what they're saying – this is what they're saying uniformly.
01:07:28.080What they're saying is that there is an illegal legacy crash retrieval program in which elements of the United States government, the military-industrial complex, with aerospace contractors, private contracting companies,
01:07:44.080have been and are actively recovering advanced aerospace craft of non-human design and, in association with these craft, the pilots, non-human biological pilots who crash and die.
01:08:00.560And that this technology has been sequestered into these aerospace companies and illegally hidden from oversight from Congress.
01:08:38.600So tell me – they're not saying that, hey, these are our saviors.
01:08:43.960They're not saying that the aliens are our gods.
01:08:47.540They're not saying that the Bible is false.
01:08:51.420They're not – there's no messaging involved here.
01:08:53.740All these guys are saying, the ones that have raised their hand and, under oath, have testified to Congress, all they're saying are the things that I just laid out.
01:09:24.640So if you're creating a documentary, let's say in the case of Age of Disclosure, and you're exploring this phenomenon with no consideration, and especially none given to the general public who's viewing it, of the supernatural, of Jesus Christ, of God, of angels, of any of these things.
01:09:44.980If you're not exploring that, that's one thing.
01:10:17.720It's one thing Christ-adjacent, was a dismissal of the notion, and in fact, saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress.
01:10:26.680Something that I've actually heard you say on your review of Age of Disclosure, you echo those exact same sentiments.
01:10:31.820You said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided, which is the exact same thing that was said on that – maybe a little bit more gracious because misguided is nice.
01:10:40.660On that documentary, they just said those people stood in the way of progress.
01:10:44.260So what you've done now is to the average person who's not well-researched, who doesn't have the analytical mind, who doesn't even have the time, let's be honest, nine-to-fives and all that, you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head.
01:10:56.140And that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of the devil, which means that anytime they hear that in the future, they're going to scoff and recoil at that.
01:11:08.760And let's be honest, what this leads to, according to the New Age and a multitude of other things, including the Bible, is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions, one-world religion, under this new umbrella.
01:11:22.240So you have to actually get Christianity out of the way.
01:11:25.680So it's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary, the only thing they saw fit to do was dismiss it in the most flippant ways.
01:11:35.880They're not Christians. A lot of these guys are Christians.
01:11:38.040And that's a mistake, to explore this phenomenon without Christianity, without being rooted in Jesus Christ, as we just said, rooted in the gospel.
01:11:46.420Rooted in the gospel is what you said, right?
01:11:48.580And so the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the Bible.
01:11:52.940Well, some of them. Some of them aren't Christians.
01:11:56.200So this isn't a theological documentary.
01:12:00.820They're not coming at this topic from a theological perspective.
01:12:43.940This is the job of people like me and like you guys, who remind believers that they need to be rooted in the gospel of Christ, that that's the anchor.
01:12:55.400But I'm not here—I'm not going to deny reality.
01:12:58.360Have you done that, though, on your shows on The Daily Wire?
01:13:13.700They are recovering non-human technology and non-human bodies.
01:13:18.280There's nothing deceptive about that except for the fact that elements of the military-industrial complex are trying to hide that from the American people.
01:13:26.060Now, if you have—by the way, there's opposing Christian factions here, okay?
01:13:33.560So this is much more complex than you think.
01:13:36.000There are—there's a faction of Christians inside of government, and I would describe them as evangelical Christians, who are opposed to telling the American people anything about this phenomenon.
01:13:49.840Are you alluding to the Collins elite?
01:13:51.260The—the so-called Collins elite, I don't know if they would consider themselves that or how well organized they are.
01:14:04.020And then you have another faction of Christians who want to tell the American people the truth and who are trying to get to the bottom of this thing and bring these programs back under the jurisdiction, the control of Congress, the oversight of Congress, okay?
01:14:20.060Because a lot of what's being done is—I will use the word demonic—and is contrary to the Constitution and so forth.
01:14:32.200So there's believers on both sides of this thing.
01:14:34.940It's not over here the Christians are telling us it's demons and everybody who's saying, no, we need to tell the truth about this phenomenon.
01:14:42.860We need to tell the American people what's going on, that those are just atheistic people who don't—who are not coming at this from a Christian perspective.
01:14:53.680In fact, the congressmen who are most active in this arena—and by the way, their main goal is to do two things.
01:15:03.500To tell the American people the truth, as much of the truth as they can without compromising national security.
01:15:10.380And then to bring these illegal programs back under the control of the American people of Congress and also of the executive branch.
01:15:22.020Because the things that are happening in these programs—some of the things that have been happening in these programs are evil.
01:15:30.080I mean, you're talking about experimentation on human beings.
01:15:33.360You're talking about this advanced technology falling into the hands of extremely nefarious groups who are using it to do terrible things.
01:15:42.600And so there's a lot of crime that's being covered up.
01:15:47.360The most terrible things imaginable have been done in the service of acquiring reverse engineering this technology and keeping it secret from the American people.
01:15:57.580I mean, the elements of the government and these aerospace contractors have murdered people to keep this thing secret.
01:16:30.280At the governmental level, our believers, our Christians, many of them, most of them,
01:16:34.440and they want to bring this monster, this octopus that's grown in darkness under the cover of these unacknowledged special access programs
01:16:55.920that have been developed in the underground, the deep underground military bases, outside of the jurisdiction of the executive branch and Congress.
01:18:01.300Well, then you'd have to – let's define who we're talking about.
01:18:03.960If we're talking about gray aliens, I believe personally that gray aliens are demonic, but I would never concede that they are demons.
01:18:11.520Those are two different ideas, setting aside the Western perception of demons and just constraining ourselves to the Hebraic cosmological perspective of demons.
01:18:22.760No, they're clearly not demons, but what they're doing is nefarious because of the abduction program and the breeding program and the generation of advanced human-alien hybrids.
01:18:36.600I think that their goal is what Dr. David Jacobs describes as planetary acquisition.
01:19:01.880Something I want to ask you is you – so, you know, you've done a lot, documentaries, podcasts, books, et cetera.
01:19:09.800I've only got a small view into, you know, another platform you have access to right now, which is Twitter.
01:19:16.220And I was curious as you were talking, this idea of being grounded in the gospel I think is incredibly important.
01:19:22.800I think you're right over the target when you say that.
01:19:25.000Being grounded in the gospel is what is going to get you through this.
01:19:28.500And so I thought surely there must be mention of the gospel you must have taken to your ex to talk about the gospel within the context of being grounded in it in order to not be deceived or to understand or, you know, get through this period and be in alignment with God and stay on this narrow path and, you know, have salvation through Christ and not be, you know, twisted up in this entire multifaceted thing that we've got here.
01:19:55.720I got to admit, I got to admit, I got to admit, I got to admit, I'm looking at this and you've got one mention of extraterrestrial life in the same breath as the gospel of Christ.
01:20:05.240And all it is is to say the curiosity of the existence of the extraterrestrial life does not detract from the gospel of Christ.
01:20:12.620You've got a lot of different platforms where you are doing this thing.
01:20:15.540What gets me is if I type in the word demonic, gray or demons into your Twitter and do a keyword search, you have spent a lot of time, a lot of time, especially in stark comparison to what I've just laid out here, knocking people off of this position.
01:20:34.860And it's just strange to me because...
01:20:46.300I'm actually not interested in hashing that out as much as to say on this show that I believe that there's a high likelihood they're a biomechanical husk that is basically an automaton meant to carry out tasks in a physical realm where these things otherwise would not be able to engage with us physically.
01:21:02.580And so it's a limited form of technology that they can interface with.
01:21:06.320I know we've had this on a previous show, you said, and that comes predominantly from Karen Wilkinson.
01:21:13.420She's got a firsthand experience with these things, and her testimony has contributed significantly.
01:22:40.660I would say, why wouldn't you spend time telling people to be grounded in the gospel of Christ in order to not be whipped up in this deception?
01:22:46.940Well, because oftentimes what I'm responding to are people who are attempting to say that the whole thing is a deception, that what the whistleblowers are saying, that's all just a deception, which is absurd.
01:23:05.620What the whistleblowers are saying is true.
01:23:07.920And we should be behind, we should be applauding their efforts to expose these illegal programs and to bring these programs back under the jurisdiction of the government, back under the jurisdiction of Congress and the executive branch specifically.
01:23:30.220These guys know that very grave crimes, very grievous crimes have been committed under the shadow of darkness because these programs are out of sight, out of mind.
01:23:43.640Literally, some of them are being developed miles beneath the surface of the earth in these deep underground military bases.
01:23:49.480The most heinous things have been done.
01:23:52.320Children have been taken forcefully and inducted into these programs for various things, for various reasons.
01:23:58.520And this gets really dark, by the way.
01:24:02.800And so these guys are coming forward saying, you've been lied to, this program exists, it's existed for a long time, we're reverse engineering technology and have been, and there's no oversight.
01:24:19.160And so I defend that endeavor, and I defend the congressmen and women who are working to get oversight over this situation and to inform the American people of the truth.
01:25:58.860And I know this is speculation, or, you know, it's once again the intangible, but where in the alien phenomenon would you point to as a likelihood for the good side of things?
01:26:07.640Well, I would, I mean, that's, one can only speculate.
01:26:12.900But I have a good friend of mine named Gary Stearman, who maybe you guys are familiar with Gary Stearman over at Prophecy Watchers.
01:26:27.760And he was delivering this Cessna to, I think he was flying from, I believe he was flying from Lubbock to Dallas, I think is what the route was.
01:26:37.080And without going to all the details, he had an encounter with, he had a malfunction in his airplane and he lost his, the electronics went out on him and he was in some serious trouble.
01:26:50.020And, and again, without going into all the details, he had an encounter with a craft that appeared, a walnut shaped craft that appeared and on the horizon.
01:27:00.860And then suddenly it was flying parallel to his craft, to his aircraft.
01:27:04.900And these beings were emanating, they communicated with him in his cabin.
01:27:10.460And it was kind of a humorous communication.
01:27:12.960And long story short, they saved his life and delivered him to the airport.
01:27:21.300And from that experience, he, it was because of that experience that he decided to become a Bible teacher and a pastor.
01:27:30.740That was the catalyst that caused that to happen.
01:27:33.220And he will tell you to this day, he will tell you, he believes that those were angels who saved his life.
01:27:38.260Now, I believe that angels use this, that this tech, this advanced technology, that this technology comes from an angelic civilization, which we call the kingdom of heaven, that these beings use and wield technology, as I said in the beginning.
01:27:52.380So, so just because you see some advanced technology and non-human beings in play, doesn't necessarily, doesn't necessarily mean that the beings are nefarious.
01:28:05.680A UFO can't, it can be no more evil than your truck, than your Ford truck, okay?
01:28:12.080It's the beings that are piloting the craft.
01:28:14.540And, and we can determine what, if they're nefarious based on their actions, and if they're counter to the gospel of Christ based on their messages, that's it.
01:28:25.900So, I don't look at, like, the UFO phenomenon is demonic.
01:29:30.200Um, but oftentimes the, uh, Pleiadians will be soothing and will come off as loving.
01:29:37.420And they actually seem to have maybe technology or, or a psychic ability to, uh, generate within us a feeling of, of love and happiness and, and, you know, content.
01:30:30.480I mean, you don't, you don't, it's not like a nurse busters where you have some sort of a meter that tests to see if there's evil spirits around.
01:30:35.840That it's the messaging that you have to evaluate based on the truth of the gospel of Christ.
01:31:39.340It does happen sometimes, but it's actually quite uncommon.
01:31:41.980Usually abductees only encounter the greys and the insectilids and the greys are, are most prominent.
01:31:49.000And you have to understand if you're going to, if you're going to wade into the realm of alien abduction, abductees are physically abducted.
01:31:56.600They're physically, they're, they're physically on.
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01:32:23.880They're literally taken and from their bed say, and then they find themselves laying on table, um, on an alien craft naked, sometimes with a lot of other abductees and the gray aliens, the, the, the beings that we call the grays with the large, um, bulbous heads and the, and the almond shaped eyes.
01:32:44.200Who are usually diminutive in stature.
01:32:47.320Those are the worker bees of this program.
01:32:49.260They're probably like you, I would agree with your assessment of the grays that there's some sort of a biomechanical, um, uh, uh, some sort of a biomechanical construct, although they do seem to have their own personality.
01:33:01.420So I wouldn't say that they're just artificial intelligence or something like that.
01:33:04.440Most likely they're, they're, they're cybernetic clones, I think is the way I would describe them.
01:33:09.180Um, and they're not in, they're not in charge of the operation.
01:33:12.500The, the, the, the creatures that are in charge of the operation are altogether more exotic than the grays.
01:33:50.740Well, it's hard to say it's conclusive when only so many years ago, it was basically taboo and the laughingstock of the scientific community.
01:33:58.020Well, what are you, what are you referencing here?
01:33:59.500Have you familiarized yourself with the, with the material?
01:34:08.760I mean, there's, there's a lot of, uh, material that has been included over the decades.
01:34:11.620Well, like you said, there is a huge, voluminous body of, um, abductee victims out there, uh, who are sharing all these experiences.
01:34:20.160Conclusive data related to the abduction phenomenon.
01:34:23.760Like, we know what alien abduction is.
01:34:25.060How does one achieve conclusive data in this phenomenon?
01:34:27.240Is conclusive data like government-approved data?
01:34:30.040Yeah, I don't care about government-approved data.
01:34:31.600I'm talking about data that corresponds to reality as it pertains to the phenomenon and the testimony of millions of abductees.
01:34:38.900So, the, the data comes from, um, competent abduction researchers, especially those of the past.
01:34:47.180You know, it began, a lot of this began with John, Dr. John Mack, whose conclusions I disagree with.
01:34:51.480He was, he was approaching this whole thing from a psychological perspective, but he kind of laid a foundation for abduction research and he did some good work.
01:34:58.080But then you have people like Bud Hopkins, who was an excellent abduction researcher.
01:35:03.300You had Dr. Carla Turner, who was herself an abductee and her family, did phenomenal research into the topic.
01:35:09.720And then, of course, Dr. David Jacobs, among others.
01:35:13.880And when you, when you take the body of data, and by the way, I talk to abductees all the time who come to me, most of whom are Christians, by the way, who come to me, and all of their experiences are consistent.
01:35:26.020Everything I'm told is completely consistent with the data.
01:35:30.040Now, the abduction is a field of ufology.
01:35:33.880This is the field where you have the most evidence, by far.
01:35:37.680Abductees are physically missing when they're abducted.
01:35:40.560Their family members are sometimes frantically are looking for them.
01:58:33.960Yes, but what I was trying to illustrate is that's a perceptual problem.
01:58:39.140Elijah prayed that his servant's eyes would be opened.
01:58:41.340In other words, they're there, we just don't have the ability to perceive the totality of created order.
01:58:48.820And I would concede, I subscribe to the hyperspatial theory of the universe in that there are facets of the universe that are all around us but are inaccessible to us.
01:58:58.880Nevertheless, they are facets of this universe, of this realm, of this universe.
01:59:06.440So I think that the kingdom of God has locality.
01:59:10.180I think it's probably at the very center of the universe.
01:59:13.340Everything that we do here on earth, they do there.
01:59:16.880They eat, they drink, they make music.
01:59:30.500And so there's a lot of confusion when the word spiritual is invoked in any kind of a conversation because what people automatically think is disembodied.
01:59:40.500This is a disembodied realm, like an ethereal disembodied realm, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever because there's no difference scripturally between that realm, that quote-unquote realm, and this one.
01:59:54.200Rather, what appears to be the reality is that there's other places in our universe where these beings come from, okay?
02:00:06.020So it's an extraterrestrial reality as much as it would ever be an extra-dimensional reality.
02:00:12.000And when people invoke extra dimensions, the problem that I have with this is that you guys understand that there are, first of all, there is no proof, there really is no scientific, even though I subscribe to hyperspatial theory of the universe, there's no scientific proof that there are any higher dimensions or anything like that.
02:00:34.520We still don't have any ironclad proof.
02:00:36.420What we have are, you know, dozens, not just a few, dozens of disparate scientific theories that differ one from another incorporating the idea of extra dimensions.
02:00:51.340There is no unified theory of extra dimensions.
02:00:55.400There are, there's the alternative worlds theory.
02:01:03.780You know, there's a suite of different theories, and they're all different.
02:01:07.140But what we do, all of us collectively, what we do when we invoke extra dimensions and spiritual realms, what we're doing is we are, and I do this too, we are unconsciously referencing pop culture.
02:01:20.420We're referencing our ideas of the spiritual realm or of the, or of the, of an extra-dimensional realm or inter-dimensional beings.
02:01:29.040But you just started, you started this show referencing pop culture, so that's a little bit disingenuous, like, well, those are good examples, Lord of the Rings.
02:01:36.200Well, I mean, I think Stranger Things is a, is a good example of people possibly channeling and telling you the truth.
02:01:40.940So, but can I just, can I just ask this then, so like, when Paul goes to the third heaven, like, how, how do you describe that then?
02:01:54.580Even Enoch, if you read the book of Enoch, didn't go anywhere.
02:01:58.120Contrary to popular belief, he was taken, but he was taken somewhere else on the earth, and his activity, the book of Enoch says, was with the watchers being the intermediary between the good watchers in heaven, the holy watchers, and the apostate watchers on earth.
02:02:53.300Adam was the son of God in the family of God.
02:02:56.380That's another conversation, the Garden of Eden, heaven, paradise, all synonymous terms in the Bible.
02:03:01.460So what I'm saying is, in reference to pop culture, so I said we all do it, okay?
02:03:08.440But our reference is primarily from pop culture.
02:03:11.940So what we're doing is we're taking the Marvel Universe, the MCU.
02:03:17.440We're taking sort of the Lord of the Rings Middle-earth ideas, although that's kind of different because Lord of the Rings doesn't invoke dimensional stuff.
02:03:27.720And we're taking Stranger Things, and we're taking all these different pop culture tropes, and we're blending them together.
02:03:34.720And we're saying there's interdimensional beings that are coming from a different dimensional world into ours, and they're manifesting or whatever differently, and then they go back into their other dimensional world.
02:03:46.000But what we've done and what we do so often is we take all these disparate scientific ideas, and we throw them into a blender, and it's very, very confusing.
02:03:56.680Again, the problem is we have to be defining terms.
02:04:00.240So what specifically, and I'm not saying, because naturally I know this is what people are thinking.
02:04:57.900Yeah, and we actually talk against that pretty commonly on the show, not because I disagree with, you know, the way that quantum physics has alluded to it in one theoretical way or another, more so the fact that Hollywood, which tends to be this massive propaganda machine, has been feeding us that for the last few decades in a huge way.
02:07:12.300Are they coming from a different universe that has different scientific properties?
02:07:15.920In other words, the laws of nature are different where they come from.
02:07:19.780But, see, that doesn't make any sense because if they're coming here, let's be specific to aliens here.
02:07:24.460If aliens are coming here from a different universe with different physical properties, their technology wouldn't make any sense to us.
02:07:33.380They wouldn't have – their anatomy wouldn't make any sense to us.
02:07:37.460Their technology, when it crashes, and we can, to some extent, understand some of it, reverse engineer some of it.
02:07:44.200There's claims I think are credible claims, by the way, the fiber optics and night vision and some of these other things have come from the legacy program.
02:07:52.300I suspect that there's some truth to that.
02:07:55.400So how would we make sense of, like, interdimensional technology?
02:08:00.680So I don't see why we need to invoke, A, a spiritual realm, or, B, extra – an interdimensional realm when we're talking about the things that happen within the biblical context and also the UFO phenomenon.
02:22:58.580Someone's going to control this narrative.
02:23:00.000But like, if there are non-human intelligence and it's their time and they're ready to present themselves, Lou Elizondo is not going to stop this.
02:23:07.140The Collins elite are not going to stop this.
02:23:09.040Your favorite senator is not going to stop this.
02:23:12.880They can control the demolition of America.
02:23:14.800They can control the release of the public and persuade our opinions on it.
02:23:18.240And that's kind of how I'm looking at this.
02:23:20.420And I feel like I'm being manipulated, especially by that documentary for sure.
02:23:24.840But it seems like you guys are kind of skirting around the question.
02:23:27.460Based on the based on the things that the those the data points I presented, wouldn't you all of you acknowledge that the guys who are trying to tell the American people the truth and get oversight over these programs that are rogue?
02:23:44.960Wouldn't you say that's those are the good guys?
02:24:13.140There's there's a bunch of there's a lot of terrible things happening in in the cover of darkness miles beneath our feet that have been that that that there's been no oversight for generations.
02:24:25.560OK, and this technology has leaked and is being used face peelers, Peru, Michael Herrera's testimony, human trafficking.
02:24:34.480This stuff is being used to do the most nefarious things because there has been no oversight.
02:24:39.980And the American people have been lied to.
02:25:13.940I would say I would err on the side of the guys that are going to release the information and I would do my best to use my platform to insert the gospel into the minds of anybody who is looking at this thing because they are going to need it going forward.
02:25:25.000So, yeah, I mean, that's yes, that's happening, whether we like it or not.
02:25:28.720And I would say that if you were a guy who was like, you know, let's say, hypothetically, really close to the situation, close to like an Alessandro or something like that.
02:25:38.500You used to be, you know, intimate with like megalithic structures, maybe in like a South American country.
02:25:44.400And you had yourself grounded in Christ.
02:25:46.780I'm not sure you're like close to the situation.
02:25:48.660I'm just saying, if you were that kind of guy and you were on a show and you wanted to give some indicator that you're just trying to maintain some air of being reasonable and not be outcasted by a nuts and bolts community that's right up the ass of disclosure, maybe you would do a thing on a show like a little meow or I would pick I would pick a side.
02:26:10.860Listen, if I'm going to if if I'm going to be able to learn a little bit more about what I've been studying for the last couple of decades.
02:26:17.080Yeah, I pick a side and I pick the side of the guys that are clearly going to do it.
02:26:20.380So I guess that's the answer to your question.
02:26:38.520I think it was just it was just a narrative that they were trying to frame the documentary in a way that people who are new to the topic can understand it and that people who've been in the topic for a long time can also understand that what they're doing is confirming what ufologists have known for decades.
02:27:02.020You're a guy who's who's, you know, taken on a number of sizable projects.
02:27:06.300And this time right now that we're in seems very important.
02:27:10.360Is there anything on your horizon of maybe a partner documentary to what we just watched that helps people see this through a Christian lens and remain grounded in the gospel could be, you know, very valuable.
02:27:24.400You have like a you have a some sort of a program, right?
02:28:12.660But listen, I think that what what we need to do, what you need to do here in the audience, I would say, and what Christians, by and large, need to do is decouple.
02:28:23.620Decouple the reality of the phenomenon from the deception of the phenomenon, decouple those things.
02:28:32.540We need to acknowledge the reality and not deny it, not not pretend that the things that are real are not real, while at the same time.
02:28:41.140And being ready to refute, like in the case of the Bledsoe stuff, refute the messaging that is clearly.
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02:29:38.840And I don't we don't get anywhere when people are still arguing about whether or not there's a crash retrieval program.
02:29:47.480Oh, we don't get any off the table yet that we're we're fond beyond far beyond that pill, I would say.
02:29:52.660Yes. Yeah. So and then, you know, and then you have to be able to differentiate between information that's like in that film, the age of disclosure, information that's being presented in a way that is the whole intention of that film was just to say this is real.
02:30:12.460Well, here's a bunch of people who are in authority who are acknowledging that it's real and and here's the here's the part that a lot of people go nuts about and this constitutes or actually let me be very accurate.
02:30:27.120This may constitute a national security threat.
02:30:32.260OK, that's the film. That's the film. That's age of disclosure.
02:30:36.220This is real and it may constitute a national security threat.
02:30:39.900That's that's that was the thrust of the film. There's no theological anything in it.
02:30:44.440Yeah, there's a group of evangelical Christians.
02:30:46.320And I'll say this and I know we have to close here.
02:30:48.700This group of evangelical Christians who don't want the public to look at this topic, who don't want you to know anything about it, who want to keep the lid on it.
02:30:58.100If you look at it, you're you're you're entertaining demons or something like that.
02:31:04.100Right. These guys and I have reason to believe, by the way, these are hardcore Zionist type people, too, who believe we're like Israel first, hardcore Zionism.
02:31:17.760So I'll bet you guys don't agree with that.
02:31:19.760I just I would suspect that you probably wouldn't agree with that logically doesn't track because a hardcore Zionist would be trying to bring about the end of time.
02:31:26.560You're talking about dispensational, dispensational, evangelical Christians.
02:31:35.020OK, it does track and dispense dispensational, evangelical Christians.
02:31:39.100The vast majority of them think aliens are just demons.
02:31:42.580The whole thing's just a deception. Just throw it all out.
02:31:45.840You know, UFOs and crash retrieval. It's all just fake gay deception, whatever.
02:31:51.660And and they're hardcore Zionist. That's exactly who we're talking about.
02:31:55.920OK, it's precisely who we're talking about here.
02:31:58.660So am I with that crowd? No, I'm not a Zionist and I'm not anti-Israel.
02:32:03.060I'm just not a Zionist. And I'm not and I'm not dispensational and I'm not anti dispensational.
02:32:08.900I have lots of friends who are dispensational Christians and I love these people and I support them and I've got nothing against it.
02:32:15.240I'm just not that. Just understand that when you invoke the Collins elite, that it's not that these people are just these righteous people who who know for a fact that aliens are demons.
02:32:26.860And they're just trying to protect the public from a deception. No.
02:32:29.080So, yes, in their in their minds, they are. That doesn't mean that they're right.
02:32:34.100There's in my perspective, they're certainly not right about a lot of the other things they do.
02:32:38.140So I think they're misguided. And I'm I'm I am with the Christians who want to tell the truth and who want to bust the bad guys who want to end this illicit activity.
02:32:49.820And there's specifically a group where I work who I work with that they want to gather enough evidence of all this terrible of all these terrible things that are happening in relate in related to this topic and other topics as well.
02:33:02.280Present it to the president and to the administration and give them the opportunity to redress it, to shut these programs down, to tell the American people the truth, to to prosecute the people who have committed these terrible things, to go after these rogue these these these these rogue companies who are using the technology to do nefarious things.
02:33:26.680That's what these guys want. Guess what? I'm there. That's me. That's what I want.
02:33:30.340I think that is a good place to leave it. That is. But I would I would actually like to make a request.
02:33:35.760I just put my hat on. Stop it. We're not ending it on your head off.
02:33:38.900Jeez. Timothy, thank you for thank you for taking the time to meet with us.
02:33:42.880If you would, Matt, can you take us out in prayer? Because I feel like what we're talking about, let him do his his plugs and tell people, you know, you've written a lot of books and a lot of fantastic documentaries.
02:33:52.300And I think that, you know, after this discussion, a lot of people are going to be fascinated to look into more of your work.
02:33:57.240So if you could, before we do that, let everybody know what you've worked on, where they can find these things.
02:34:03.520Well, everybody knows I have a YouTube channel. I'm on X and Instagram.
02:34:09.160My handle is always the same, Timothy Albrino.
02:34:10.660You know, I have a whole I have a whole film series, well, three films in a series that no one's that I've never published publicly.
02:34:18.520They're excellent. They're I'd say they're better than the true legend series.
02:34:22.600That's in my members community. And I produced this some years ago.
02:34:28.160And it's more like about ancient history and elongated skulls and all that kind of stuff.
02:34:33.600So there's a lot of material over there, my members community.
02:34:36.820But, you know, I've got a lot going on projects that are happening this year that that people want to track with those.
02:34:44.280Follow me on social media. Follow me on YouTube.
02:34:49.080And I just want to say I appreciate you guys being willing to do this.
02:34:52.440I think we probably agree on way more than we would ever disagree on.
02:34:55.740I think that once terms are properly defined, there's probably very little that we disagree on.
02:35:02.700So I just want to make it clear that I am not team deception.
02:35:07.920OK, and I don't just believe what the government says and I don't just believe what Lou Elizondo says or David Grush.
02:35:13.280I'm not that guy. But behind the scenes, I'm interacting with people who want to drop the hammer on the real demonic stuff that's going on in the background.
02:35:21.480OK, I'm with those guys. Just to be clear, I'm with those guys.
02:35:25.780Thank you guys for having me on. This was a lot of fun.
02:35:29.660Thank you for coming on. I knew we were going to agree on it more than not.
02:35:32.620Just take us out in a quick prayer, like just about discernment, because this is very confusing.
02:35:38.260You see how like like we're in such a tussle over definitions.
02:35:43.000I hope it's crazy. I hope this serves that like nine to five worker who doesn't have the time to delve into these topics, whose occupation it isn't.
02:35:51.180You know, we're all strapped for time and this is a confusing landscape to navigate.
02:35:55.860And so I hope that this serves somebody out there. And if anything, I hope that it brought someone closer to to the gospel of Christ.
02:36:05.420God, I just want to thank you for even making this a possibility today.
02:36:08.860You, God, of all people know how grateful I am for the dude, Timothy Alvarino, and how wild this story is that this dude's just like on the TV now in the coffee shop.
02:36:18.820And we're having this conversation with him. And I'm just I'm just very grateful for this, God.
02:36:22.600I just pray that like we wouldn't get lost in the minutia and that the common people wouldn't get lost in the minutia and the parsing over words and details and some of the stuff that just kind of like takes us totally off track, Lord.
02:36:35.160But that I don't know, like all this alien stuff, Lord, you know, I don't need this.
02:36:38.640Not even my thing. Like, I don't really know much about all this stuff.
02:36:41.240I just know that there are entities that are going to reveal themselves and try to deceive us.
02:36:46.120And your word talks about how that men's hearts are going to be feeling them for fear for things coming on the earth.
02:36:51.800And I just pray against all that stuff for everybody listening and everybody that's here today.
02:36:55.620God, I pray that like Timothy Alvarino would be our boy for long term, like in the fight, because honestly, man, I think we have to really keep track of like who's on our team and who's not on our team.
02:37:06.180And I'm really grateful for this discussion that some of this stuff was able to be borne out and some of Raven's, you know, real genuine concerns were able to be brought up.
02:37:14.840And Timothy was able to talk through it. And I'm grateful the top wasn't like super nasty, but was able to get his point across, too.
02:37:20.740Like this was just a rad thing. And I'm incredibly grateful to just have been a part of it, Lord.
02:37:25.100But that's really my prayer is that Alvarino would continue to be a voice.
02:37:28.780You know, he's been a voice in my life for, you know, probably a decade now and even into my kid's life and all these things.
02:37:35.160And I pray that he would continue to be that for many more people, that he's moved the ball like so far down the field for most of modern American Christians that just couldn't handle like the things that were being said 10 years ago.
02:37:46.040He's moved that ball so far. And I just pray that he'd continue to do that.
02:37:50.280And we'd be like a team doing that, Lord, that we would stay focused on like who's on the team and who's not in regards to the kingdom of God, Lord.
02:37:57.840I just pray that you'd have your hand on us and guide us and instruct us and allow us to really preach truth everywhere that we go, Lord, in regards to like alien deception, but in regards to everything, Lord, in Jesus name.