Nephilim Death Squad - Are Aliens Demons？ Timothy Alberino Debates Nephilim Death Squad

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00:01:00.140 So the only thing that you've done is make a gigantic film that hundreds of thousands,

00:01:05.260 maybe millions of people will see.

00:01:06.880 And the only mention that you saw fit to inject of something Christ adjacent was a dismissal

00:01:12.880 of the notion saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress.

00:01:18.080 Something that I've actually heard you say on your review of Age of Disclosure.

00:01:21.420 You echoed those exact same sentiments.

00:01:23.140 You said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided.

00:01:27.060 These individuals are misguided.

00:01:29.840 Which is the exact same thing that was said on that documentary.

00:01:32.780 They just said those people stood in the way of progress.

00:01:34.980 They're actually working against the interest of disclosing the truth.

00:01:40.560 So what you've done now is to the average person who's not well-researched, who doesn't have

00:01:45.160 the analytical mind, who doesn't even have the time, you've subliminally planted a little

00:01:49.140 seed in their head.

00:01:50.620 And that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling 0.99

00:01:56.000 this demonic or of the devil, which means that anytime they hear that in the future, they're

00:02:01.080 going to scoff and recoil at that.

00:02:03.560 What this leads to, according to the New Age and a multitude of other things, including

00:02:06.900 the Bible, is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions, one world religion under this 0.98

00:02:13.860 new umbrella.

00:02:15.240 You have to actually get Christianity out of the way. 0.99

00:02:18.180 It's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary, the only thing

00:02:23.660 they saw fit to do, was dismissing in the most flippant ways.

00:02:27.060 They're not Christians. 1.00

00:02:27.920 A lot of these guys are Christians.

00:02:29.380 They're not approaching this.

00:02:30.900 To explore this phenomenon without Christianity, without being rooted in Jesus Christ, as we

00:02:35.560 just said, rooted in the gospel.

00:02:37.460 Rooted in the gospel is what you said, right?

00:02:39.700 And so the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the Bible.

00:02:43.880 Joining us today is Timothy Albarino.

00:02:47.000 Before we get into the discussion, Tim, let's let everybody know what it is that you do.

00:02:51.640 What is your work focused on?

00:02:54.400 So you guys are only going to publish the first 20 minutes of this and then put the

00:02:57.660 rest of it behind your paywall?

00:02:59.480 Yes.

00:02:59.880 Yeah.

00:03:00.080 Because we're greedy and we're disgusting.

00:03:01.800 No, it'll be, we want to give it as much of a chance to get seen as possible.

00:03:06.720 So we're going to polish it up.

00:03:08.080 Nothing will be edited.

00:03:08.880 Of course, it'll just be, it'll look a lot nicer.

00:03:11.260 Only the first 20 minutes are going to be public.

00:03:14.220 Correct?

00:03:14.740 No.

00:03:15.140 For now.

00:03:15.580 For about a week, maybe.

00:03:17.360 Yeah.

00:03:18.200 Well, I mean, when we get, yeah, it'll all be out.

00:03:20.440 All right.

00:03:20.580 So you're going to assure me that the totality of this thing can be seen by people for free.

00:03:24.720 Yes.

00:03:25.140 Yes.

00:03:25.500 It will be seen for free.

00:03:26.700 Everything that happens here will be seen for free.

00:03:28.920 It'll just look a little bit better.

00:03:30.760 Yeah.

00:03:30.960 Less sleepy.

00:03:31.820 Because it sounded like you're going to just publish the first 20 minutes and put the rest

00:03:35.440 of it behind a paywall on Patreon.

00:03:37.700 Yes.

00:03:38.180 Yes.

00:03:38.560 For about, you know, four to five days.

00:03:40.780 Okay.

00:03:40.800 For a limited period of time.

00:03:41.840 Okay.

00:03:42.280 Yes.

00:03:42.660 That's right.

00:03:43.700 All right.

00:03:44.020 Now, what did you ask me?

00:03:45.540 I asked you.

00:03:46.560 Let the people know who may not be familiar with you, what it is that you focus on.

00:03:51.620 I don't really have a particular focus.

00:03:54.100 I have an eclectic suite of topics that I'm always talking about, ranging from alternative

00:04:02.600 history to legends of ancient giants, the UFO phenomenon, transhumanism, and everything

00:04:11.400 in between, philosophy, politics.

00:04:14.120 I'm probably most well-known for my work in the UFO space and giants and stuff I've done

00:04:23.560 in Peru.

00:04:25.360 All right.

00:04:26.080 All right.

00:04:26.360 I think that's a good overview.

00:04:28.060 If it's all the same to you, I want to jump straight into sort of the content or the meat

00:04:31.200 of this.

00:04:31.880 Just so the audience is aware, we had a little bit, I wouldn't call it a disagreement.

00:04:37.300 I maybe took some comedic liberties with some outfit choices that you've had in the past,

00:04:41.300 and I may be currently doing that, but it's just in my nature, and it got your attention,

00:04:46.640 and the thing that was the-

00:04:48.440 You may be currently doing that?

00:04:49.120 I might be currently doing that.

00:04:50.480 It's very disrespectful.

00:04:51.400 I don't think that it's fair that he has such a stranglehold on a cool outfit.

00:04:55.040 I would also like to-

00:04:55.740 Well, I have never.

00:04:56.620 I have never dressed up as a homosexual version of Indiana Jones right now.

00:05:04.800 The only thing you have on me is maybe a higher quality hat.

00:05:08.020 I carry a whip in public, which I've yet to see you do, and I think that speaks to my

00:05:11.660 convictions when it comes to my love for me and the Jones.

00:05:13.940 You have me there, sir.

00:05:14.740 There we go.

00:05:15.180 You have me there.

00:05:16.200 A lot of the topic that we were going back and forth on Twitter about was the nature of

00:05:22.260 the alien phenomenon.

00:05:23.540 And as you said previously, you're best known for your work in that field, among other things.

00:05:28.360 And so the sticking point, the point of contention was kind of a verbose one.

00:05:35.500 It was this idea of aliens are demons, which is a blanket statement and admittedly very reductive.

00:05:41.960 I hope to get at the heart of that today.

00:05:44.100 And so the first question that I want to ask you, which you are in opposition to, right?

00:05:47.640 Let's just be clear with that.

00:05:48.580 Aliens are not demons in the blanket sense.

00:05:51.080 Is your position?

00:05:52.020 Um, yeah, something like that.

00:05:57.240 I would actually like to hear your guys's theory of the case before I say anything,

00:06:02.880 because I don't really understand what it is that you guys believe.

00:06:06.200 That's fair.

00:06:07.400 Why don't you lay out your hypothesis of the, let's call it the UFO phenomenon in the alien presence?

00:06:16.220 That is a lofty endeavor at the opening of this show.

00:06:19.760 And I'll not be allowing you to steer this show, Mr. Albarino.

00:06:22.740 And so back to my original question, which was going to be, uh, what are demons?

00:06:27.780 I, I'm just trying to lay the groundwork here.

00:06:29.800 Uh, and then we're going to work up to this because as you probably are aware, uh, and

00:06:33.520 will agree with, this is a multifaceted subject, very nuanced.

00:06:37.900 It's going to take a lot of digging through the weeds to get through all this.

00:06:40.460 So I thought a good place to be with, to be defining what a demon is.

00:06:44.540 Okay. So are we, are we framing, are we framing this conversation within a theological context?

00:06:52.900 Is this, are we talking a biblical understanding of demons here?

00:06:57.640 Are we talking a, are we talking pop culture understanding of demons?

00:07:01.420 I think we're talking about what you think specifically.

00:07:03.620 This is the entire contention of what I think is irrelevant.

00:07:06.700 So it depends on what your perspective is now, now I come from a biblical perspective.

00:07:12.400 And so I would frame what, if you're going to invoke the word demons, you're using a biblical

00:07:17.560 term and you have the idea of demons and other cultures and other religions like the

00:07:24.580 jinn to the Muslims.

00:07:27.700 But, but I think what you guys mean is, is demons in the biblical sense.

00:07:32.860 And so if you're going to talk about demons in the biblical, within the biblical context,

00:07:37.400 then you have to refer to the cosmological worldview of the ancient Hebrews.

00:07:43.780 Otherwise you're no longer using the term biblically.

00:07:46.220 Now we have the word demons has been mangled and redefined.

00:07:52.040 And it's been, it's in, in, in the words of Bilbo Baggins, it's like butter spread over too

00:08:01.920 much bread.

00:08:02.540 It's used very, very, um, broadly today.

00:08:07.080 And it's, it's, the use of it is so broad that it really doesn't mean anything anymore.

00:08:14.020 So the first thing that we have to do is define our terms.

00:08:17.100 So within the context of biblical cosmology of ancient Hebrew cosmology, a demon is something

00:08:24.260 very, very specific.

00:08:26.320 It is exclusively the disembodied spirit of a Nephilim. 0.96

00:08:31.820 That's all it is in the biblical context.

00:08:34.860 These are the unclean spirits, the evil spirits, those spirits that seek to inhabit human flesh, 1.00

00:08:39.860 the ones that Jesus encounters and the disciples of the new Testament.

00:08:43.720 You don't see them so much in the old Testament, although there are some appearances that is

00:08:49.000 what a demon is.

00:08:50.280 It is a disembodied spirit, the spirit of a dead giant.

00:08:54.700 Now there's some other terms that people often will conflate with demon.

00:09:02.600 And, and this is a, these are, this term is a contrivance.

00:09:06.580 So I don't like it very much, but, but people like to use the term fallen angel, which isn't

00:09:11.720 a biblical term, I would concede that it's a biblical concept, but it's not a biblical

00:09:15.800 term.

00:09:17.180 And a fallen angel is something different.

00:09:22.080 It's something altogether different.

00:09:24.460 These are beings who are extraterrestrial in provenance and who are sometimes referred

00:09:32.100 to, especially the new Testament is angels.

00:09:34.660 In the, in the old Testament, the term angel, the word angel is a descriptor.

00:09:39.480 It's an occupational descriptor.

00:09:41.220 It's not a designation of kind or classification of kind.

00:09:45.940 It's just an occupational descriptor.

00:09:48.660 It's a job description.

00:09:50.540 So these beings, you have the faithful angels in heaven, and then you have the insubordinate

00:10:00.680 or apostate angels on earth, and we're going to switch the word angel here for a much more

00:10:07.680 definitive word, which would be sons of God.

00:10:12.260 So you have the sons of God in heaven who are faithful to the King of heaven.

00:10:15.360 And then you have the sons of God on earth who are in a state of insubordination, insurrection,

00:10:22.820 and apostasy.

00:10:24.560 So they are the apostate sons of God, and a, a cohort of that group is here on earth. 1.00

00:10:31.880 Now that group often gets conflated with demons, but that's, there's a, there's a,

00:10:39.500 a delineation, biblically speaking, between the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim and

00:10:46.080 the very much embodied apostate sons of God.

00:10:51.340 And so this is the problem right out, right, right in the beginning of a conversation like

00:10:56.900 this, we have to accept these definitions or we're going to keep talking past each other.

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00:11:49.040 Do you guys accept those definitions?

00:11:50.260 I think we're all in agreement with all of this so far.

00:11:53.040 To be honest, most of our understanding of this comes from you, your earlier work, and

00:11:58.520 even your more current work.

00:12:00.100 So, you know, we're in complete agreement here.

00:12:02.040 I'd say, I don't know.

00:12:04.380 The fallen angels would be the parents of these demons slash Nephilim. 0.99

00:12:09.300 Well, not all of them.

00:12:10.720 Those, so, what the Bible defines as the devil and his angels are different from the watchers.

00:12:16.980 Two hundred watchers descended in the days of Jared.

00:12:20.760 Now, when those beings descended to the earth, the devil and his angels, these apostate sons of God, 1.00

00:12:26.980 they were here already.

00:12:29.440 They were here.

00:12:30.240 So, these are two different groups, although, in my opinion, and you don't have to agree with this,

00:12:37.520 but in my opinion, these are the same, these are the same, let's put, let's use it, let's use this term.

00:12:43.900 These are the same species.

00:12:46.080 The watchers and the devil and his angels.

00:12:48.680 They all hail from what I call, in my book Birthright, the elder race, from this angelic civilization.

00:12:58.560 Therefore, they look the same.

00:13:01.240 And there's, I'll deal with another misconception before we get into aliens.

00:13:07.500 There's a misconception that the quote-unquote fallen angels have a different appearance than the faithful angels in heaven.

00:13:16.520 Again, that the faithful sons of God are beautiful, are these regal beings,

00:13:22.940 and that the insubordinate apostate sons of God are these grotesque, devilish-looking beings. 0.60

00:13:33.560 And that's not, there's nowhere in Scripture that suggests that that's the case.

00:13:39.800 And, you know, people use the verse, the passage about Satan presenting himself as a minister, as an angel of light.

00:13:50.320 Well, the word there is angel, which means messenger or minister.

00:13:53.520 He's a messenger of light.

00:13:55.480 He presents himself as a good guy, when in fact, he is a bad guy.

00:13:59.480 That's not to say that he metamorphosizes his appearance from something ugly to something beautiful.

00:14:10.080 There's no reason to believe that the sons of God, that the good sons of God, look any different than the bad sons of God.

00:14:18.060 Now, there's a couple of caveats we could discuss later if you want in regard to their appearance.

00:14:23.760 But that's just not the case.

00:14:25.840 Angels, as you guys, I'm sure, are well aware, do not have wings.

00:14:30.040 And in the biblical context, whenever there's an angel that's introduced into the narrative,

00:14:36.540 they always look like us.

00:14:38.800 Rather, we look like them. 0.57

00:14:41.300 In fact, we find out, both in Genesis 6, but then also, more broadly speaking,

00:14:46.620 in the Second Temple literature, especially in the Book of Enoch,

00:14:50.500 that not only do we look similar, but we are reproductively compatible with them.

00:14:57.420 We can procreate.

00:15:00.200 So we're very similar to the angels in regard to our physiology.

00:15:04.560 We're not the same as angels, but we're similar to them.

00:15:08.080 They use technology.

00:15:09.440 And I think that we can infer that they, therefore, manufacture technology.

00:15:18.740 The angels are described in various passages in the Old Testament

00:15:22.980 as arriving to the earth or flying around the earth at the helms of what I would describe as an advanced aerospace vehicle,

00:15:32.680 what the Bible calls the chariots of God or the chariots of Israel, the chariots of fire.

00:15:37.180 Now, I think we can all concede that horses don't fly.

00:15:43.360 They're not designed to fly.

00:15:45.620 Therefore, chariots don't fly.

00:15:48.380 Therefore, what these Iron Age people are describing is something much more akin to an airplane or an aerospace craft.

00:15:59.860 Angels eat and drink.

00:16:01.320 They do so on several occasions in the Bible, including with Abraham and then with Lot.

00:16:06.240 And I don't think that they eat and drink just for show.

00:16:11.200 I think they eat and drink because they eat and drink in the kingdom of heaven.

00:16:15.060 In fact, the psalmist says that the children of Israel ate the grain of heaven in the wilderness,

00:16:25.040 the sustenance of the angels.

00:16:28.280 That, of course, was manna.

00:16:30.800 And manna wasn't bread.

00:16:31.740 It was grain that was collected and baked into bread.

00:16:34.560 And the Israelites ate that bread in the wilderness.

00:16:39.740 And if we're to take this almost literally, then we're talking about grain that is from heaven.

00:16:44.940 It is literally the sustenance of angels.

00:16:46.700 So what I'm trying to do here is illustrate.

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00:17:05.240 That this, the kingdom of heaven and the beings that inhabit it, specifically the sons of God,

00:17:12.300 are not all that different from us.

00:17:14.760 And there's a stark difference between the sons of God and the unclean spirits, the evil spirits, the demons.

00:17:24.560 There's a very, there's an important distinction there.

00:17:28.360 They are disembodied.

00:17:29.940 Demons are disembodied.

00:17:31.180 And again, their origin is exclusively in the antediluvian world. 0.94

00:17:36.860 They were the, these unclean spirits proceeded from the bodies of dead giants.

00:17:42.320 And those spirits wander the earth as vagabond wraiths, bodiless vagabond wraiths. 0.69

00:17:49.400 And they have all of the desires of the flesh.

00:17:51.960 According to the book of Enoch, they're hungry, they're thirsty,

00:17:54.640 but they have no flesh through which to fulfill these dire desires to satiate their appetites.

00:18:00.960 And often like to compare this to the, the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie in which

00:18:07.880 Captain Barbossa and his crew are, are cursed with this Mayan curse. 1.00

00:18:14.340 And it's very much like the curse of the Nephilim in that they are hungry, they're thirsty,

00:18:19.220 they want to eat.

00:18:19.840 Barbossa wants to take a bite of the apple, but they can't because they're these wraiths.

00:18:25.720 Their true natures is, is, uh, disallows them to enjoy any kind of food or drink.

00:18:34.860 And that is precisely the condition of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

00:18:40.480 So those are important distinctions.

00:18:42.780 Now there are, of course, embodied Nephilim, I think still in the world, in Afghanistan, for example, 0.99

00:18:48.940 those embodied Nephilim are encountered in the Old Testament in multiple occasions,

00:18:54.520 especially in the land of Canaan, in which you have clans of giants who descend from the Nephilim,

00:19:01.400 the Anakim, for example, who descend from the Nephilim.

00:19:04.180 Those were embodied Nephilim. 0.99

00:19:05.980 Those are Nephilim still living and breathing. 1.00

00:19:08.660 And one could make the case that any Nephilim at any time when it dies,

00:19:14.200 its spirit departs from its body and is cursed to wander the earth as a disembodied wraith

00:19:21.380 with all the desires of flesh, but with no flesh through which to fulfill these desires.

00:19:26.460 So it's a very torturous condition.

00:19:29.020 So those are, that's the parameter of, those are the parameters of this conversation

00:19:36.160 if we're going to use, if we're going to invoke these biblical terms, from my perspective.

00:19:40.220 Okay, that's fair.

00:19:41.320 I will disagree that angels look just like us.

00:19:45.140 The Bible, a number of times, you said they don't have wings,

00:19:48.440 but I know in the Bible a number of times it describes them as having wings.

00:19:51.920 Sometimes six.

00:19:53.320 The seraph, I mean, there's multiple passages in Isaiah.

00:19:55.140 Specifically seraphim and cherubim, but I think Timothy Alvarino is just referring to common angels

00:19:59.920 that don't have wings, like the seraphim and cherubim.

00:20:03.160 But if we're talking about this vast plurality of angels, we have to talk about all of them.

00:20:13.200 So there are clear biblical references.

00:20:15.720 I'm going to save you those references.

00:20:17.360 All of the references with angels having wings are within the context of prophetic iconography,

00:20:23.460 all of them.

00:20:24.160 And scholars are unanimous in their description of angels in regard to them not having wings

00:20:34.320 and looking like us, and they disregard those descriptions which are found within the passages

00:20:41.280 of prophetic utterances, of oracles.

00:20:43.540 So they disregard the Bible.

00:20:45.520 Okay.

00:20:45.860 No, no, no, no.

00:20:46.360 So they disregard those descriptions as being literal anatomical descriptions of angels.

00:20:53.580 There's only a couple of them, and they refer to cherubim, seraphim,

00:20:58.180 and then there's a passage in Daniel with these two stork-like beings.

00:21:02.900 All of this is obviously symbolic.

00:21:05.480 The cherubim are, the way that they're depicted is clearly symbolic

00:21:09.600 because cherubim are depicted in two different ways.

00:21:14.400 And so if you're going to invoke a cherubim, then you have to tell me which one you're talking about.

00:21:18.420 In one case, the cherubim have four faces, the face of a man, the face of an ox, 0.94

00:21:22.480 the face of a lion, and the face of an eagle.

00:21:25.340 And, of course, they have wings and eyes all around.

00:21:29.140 In the other case, they are a composite of four creatures.

00:21:33.180 They have the four parts of a lion, the hind parts of an ox.

00:21:39.160 They have the wings of an eagle and the face of a man.

00:21:45.080 So which cherubim are we talking about?

00:21:47.520 Clearly, these are symbolic creatures, and these are not anatomical descriptions of literal beings.

00:21:54.360 Anything that is...

00:21:55.340 No, I disagree.

00:21:56.020 But anything in the scriptures that is beheld within the context of a vision or a dream,

00:22:05.600 because that's what the prophecy, the prophets, when they have these experiences,

00:22:10.480 and it's within the prophetic material that you find the depictions of wings.

00:22:16.000 Whenever a prophet is having a prophetic experience, he is either dreaming, he's either asleep, or he is in a trance.

00:22:24.080 But there's not a single occasion, not anywhere, not anywhere in the Bible,

00:22:29.240 and not anywhere, by the way, in any extra biblical text.

00:22:31.740 Well, let's be more specific.

00:22:33.040 Not in the book of Enoch, where a prophet or a patriarch is physically taken to heaven.

00:22:43.660 That's never the case.

00:22:45.020 Even with Enoch in the book of Enoch, he never goes to heaven.

00:22:48.520 He's always dreaming, always, in every case.

00:22:52.740 So the prophet is asleep, or he is sitting by the river, or what have you, in a trance.

00:22:59.800 What does that tell you?

00:23:00.980 That tells you that the experience is perceptual, that this individual, be it Isaiah or Ezekiel or any of the prophets, Jeremiah,

00:23:12.540 their experience is happening in a perceptual world.

00:23:16.660 They didn't go anywhere.

00:23:17.980 You could walk up to them, and they would either be laying in their bed completely asleep, you know, in deep REM sleep.

00:23:26.520 You could poke them.

00:23:27.580 They're right there in their bed.

00:23:28.640 Or they'd be sitting somewhere in a trance.

00:23:32.360 And so they're having a perceptual experience.

00:23:35.260 They're not actually going anywhere.

00:23:36.680 And we know, we would all concede, if you had a dream, if you had a really profound dream, let's say you had a dream last night.

00:23:44.720 It was a very, very profound dream, and so profound that when you woke up this morning, you wondered if you actually had gone somewhere,

00:23:54.200 or if you were just laying in your bed dreaming.

00:23:56.220 And you saw all manner of strange things in your dream.

00:23:59.040 You saw centaurs flying around with wings and fawns and all kinds of mythological creatures and rainbows and all different kinds of symbolic images.

00:24:12.020 When you woke up in the morning, you would not assume that anything that you saw in your dream was literal.

00:24:19.340 You wouldn't do that.

00:24:20.620 You wouldn't go meet your friend at the coffee shop and say, hey, I saw a centaur yesterday.

00:24:27.820 I saw one.

00:24:29.380 It was there.

00:24:30.280 I saw one.

00:24:30.900 These things are real.

00:24:32.460 You would never do that.

00:24:33.720 You would always preface that statement with, last night I had a crazy dream in which I saw these things.

00:24:42.640 So these are perceptual experiences.

00:24:45.360 And the material, the information that is delivered to prophets through a perceptual experience is symbolic.

00:24:54.440 It's meant to convey information.

00:24:57.000 And that is the case with cherubim, that is the case with seraphim, and everything that is beheld within those kinds of perceptual experiences.

00:25:05.920 It is a world of symbolism, and it has to be interpreted as such, or you'll make the mistake of attempting to derive literal interpretations from symbolic iconography from the ancient Near East.

00:25:24.480 Well, to be fair, though, it's not just a vision where Elisha's servant shows up.

00:25:29.760 He's surrounded by the camp of the Syrian army.

00:25:32.480 They look up into the mountains, and there are horses and chariots of fire.

00:25:35.400 I agree.

00:25:35.940 If Isaiah, in Chapter 6, he's seeing these six-winged seraphim, they're flying around.

00:25:40.400 They're saying, holy, holy, holy, and they bring this coal down and put it on his lip.

00:25:44.480 I see what you're saying where that's in a vision that potentially those six-winged creatures don't exist.

00:25:49.920 I don't know.

00:25:50.380 I think there's maybe some debate on that, but I think that's going to take the conversation sideways because what we're really discussing is like, hold on, but it is like the Hebrews passage.

00:25:59.820 It says, be careful entertaining strangers unaware because some have entertained angels.

00:26:03.760 And I think that's Timothy Alvarino's point is that they are this elder race that we're so compatible with.

00:26:08.220 We look so much like there can even be intermingling of sex.

00:26:10.820 But this is the type of angel that we're talking about, is the ones that do look like humans.

00:26:15.240 Okay, but I do want to make the point because I think it pertains to the overall argument that David is proposing with Timothy Alvarino.

00:26:23.360 There's multiple scriptures where they're described in the same way.

00:26:26.340 And whether this is an encounter in a dream realm or in a lucid state or waking, which is up for debate, it's still over and over.

00:26:34.620 So we have a couple of testimonial accounts in the Bible itself, which I adhere to firmly.

00:26:40.860 And it's describing these guys as having wings.

00:26:44.140 I have five scriptures here.

00:26:46.460 And we're just talking about just the cherubim. 0.64

00:26:48.380 We're not talking about the seraphim as well.

00:26:49.900 But by that same logic, then, if we're talking about aliens, greys, most of these encounters that we're going to, I'm sure you're going to produce evidence.

00:26:59.420 Most of these come in states of sleep paralysis, deep sleep, REM sleep.

00:27:05.840 I totally disagree.

00:27:07.540 Oh, well, I don't.

00:27:08.940 I mean, all right.

00:27:09.980 So let's, I think.

00:27:11.580 We want to go.

00:27:12.140 There was a question that I did have, though, on, you know, just in the nature of the Nephilim.

00:27:15.920 And I know we conventionally describe them as giants.

00:27:19.440 I wonder then if you could surmise it quickly.

00:27:22.840 And I know it's a big ask because it's a big topic.

00:27:24.660 But how then do you interpret the chimeric creatures that were part of various pantheons, like the Greek pantheons, for example, where you have half man, half animal gods?

00:27:35.260 Are these physical entities, in your opinion?

00:27:37.680 Are they a byproduct of, you know, fallen angels or angels that were cast down mating with human beings?

00:27:44.100 Or are these strictly spiritual entities that are not a byproduct of interspecies, you know, mingling and are just these things that exist in the spiritual realm?

00:27:53.380 Well, first, I guess, in the first place, I would contest the idea that there's a spiritual realm.

00:28:03.860 But these composite beings from ancient Near Eastern and Greek mythology are, I believe, and this isn't going to surprise you, symbolic.

00:28:18.640 And there's a lot of, there's a lot of indication, and in fact, I would say evidence that they are, in fact, symbolic.

00:28:24.620 Now, whether or not any of these creatures actually existed, whether or not centaurs were real, I don't know.

00:28:33.340 Well, it's a lot of people like to think that these were the result of like a watcher copulating with a horse.

00:28:40.700 There is an indication, it could be interpreted this way, from the Dead Sea Scroll Book of Giants, in which there's mention of watchers selecting each of them, selecting a particular kind of animal to copulate with.

00:29:03.500 Or, you could also interpret that, because it's highly fragmented, the text, you could also interpret that as these angels not copulating with these creatures, but engaging in what we would, what we would today call cross-species genetics.

00:29:17.640 Now, it should be noted that the Book of Giants, there's no, there's no way to know if the Book of Giants is an authentic text that was taken as veritable history by the Hebrews.

00:29:28.840 Certainly, the Book of Enoch was portions of the Book of Enoch, let me be careful there, the earliest portions, namely the Book of the Watchers, the historical portion.

00:29:36.100 I would also contend the Book of Parables, but, which is within First Enoch, but there, outside of that one reference in the Book of Giants, I'm not convinced that the Watchers were producing these chimeric creatures in the antediluvian world.

00:29:53.080 I'm not opposed to the idea.

00:29:54.940 It seems rather fanciful.

00:29:56.340 If you refer to Greek mythology, if you refer to the iconography of the ancient Egyptians and the ancient Near East in general, clearly these creatures are symbolic, just as they are in the Bible.

00:30:10.880 And much of this is astrological.

00:30:14.280 In fact, I would say most of this is astrological.

00:30:16.420 And because we've lost this body of information, we don't think like ancient people do, we don't understand the heavens the way that they did, we miss the astrological meaning behind all of this.

00:30:33.060 Let me demonstrate what I mean.

00:30:35.100 Well, can I say one thing really quick?

00:30:36.880 Because, again, where we're having, I see where we're having this butting of heads.

00:30:41.100 Because I just described to you four passages in the Bible that describe an angel or a cherubim as having a pretty crazy description.

00:30:50.560 You contend that that's only within the, I don't know, I guess, but you're not even using the term spirit realm.

00:30:56.480 No, symbolic.

00:30:57.480 You're saying that that's symbolic, but it's mentioned four times by different people.

00:31:00.900 Within the context of prophetic iconography, within a prophetic perceptual experience.

00:31:06.980 Okay, so that's where those references come from.

00:31:08.800 And I told you that there's...

00:31:11.100 But I told you that there's two different descriptions of cherubim in the Bible.

00:31:14.800 They're not the same.

00:31:16.420 And I was just about to use the cherubim as an example. 0.93

00:31:19.340 So you take the cherubim.

00:31:21.500 And you look at the four faces of the cherubim, or if you're reading the verse in which it's a composite of four creatures, same four creatures, it doesn't matter.

00:31:31.460 Let's take the description where the four faces are different.

00:31:34.640 So you have the face of a man, then you have the face of an eagle, then you have the face of a lion, and then you have the face of an ox.

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00:31:58.020 Okay.

00:31:59.160 So is there a correspondence to something in the ancient Near East, in the iconography of the ancient Near East?

00:32:07.960 Do we have a correspondence?

00:32:09.840 Because the Bible was written by people from the ancient Near East.

00:32:13.320 It was written in that culture, to that culture, using the symbology of that culture and the ideas from that culture.

00:32:18.820 And that's a broad, we're broadly speaking of Mesopotamia and the Eastern Mediterranean in general, the ancient Egyptians and the ancient Greeks, Greeks and the Persians and so forth.

00:32:33.420 That's what I mean when I invoke the ancient Near East and the Canaanites.

00:32:37.180 And within the midst of that, the Israelites themselves.

00:32:41.120 And remember, Abraham came from Mesopotamia.

00:32:44.640 That was his culture.

00:32:45.380 So, as it pertains to cherubim, we have to ask the question, are cherubim unique to the biblical text?

00:32:55.200 Are they unique to the Bible?

00:32:57.680 The answer is clearly no, they're not.

00:33:00.780 The cherubim are prevalent all over the ancient Near East.

00:33:04.460 You have, to this day, depictions of cherubim on the ancient walls of Babylon and temples of Babylon.

00:33:11.280 These are ubiquitous across the ancient Near East.

00:33:15.500 They're symbolic of throne guardians.

00:33:18.660 That's what the cherubim represent, not just in the Bible, but in the ancient Near Eastern context, generally speaking.

00:33:26.240 They're throne guardians.

00:33:27.740 That's how they're depicted.

00:33:29.180 Sometimes they're depicted as a different composite of creatures.

00:33:35.360 But in many cases, they're literally what the Bible describes in Babylon.

00:33:40.040 And there's some Sumerian depictions of this kind of thing as well.

00:33:44.760 So, we have to concede that these creatures are symbolic in the ancient Near East.

00:33:51.140 This is iconography.

00:33:52.260 And in the Bible, it's very specific in both references to cherubim, in the multiple references

00:34:00.520 to cherubim, these four composites, I mean, the composite of these four creatures.

00:34:04.840 So, when we take a look at the four creatures, we realize that there is a correlation to what

00:34:10.420 we call today the zodiac.

00:34:12.620 And when I invoke the zodiac, people think immediately that we are now in a pagan arena.

00:34:19.620 Not so.

00:34:20.400 So, the Hebrews have the zodiac. 0.71

00:34:22.320 They called it the Matzeroth.

00:34:23.560 In fact, were you to go back in time, during the time of Christ, many, if you were to enter

00:34:28.380 a synagogue, many of the synagogues had a depiction of the zodiac on the wall, which

00:34:33.540 is called the Matzeroth.

00:34:35.200 And the Matzeroth appears in the Bible in several passages, a couple in Job and elsewhere.

00:34:41.520 In fact, there's many passages that reference the signs of the Matzeroth, the signs of the

00:34:47.800 zodiac.

00:34:48.220 Those appear all over the place.

00:34:49.540 And I would contend that the depiction of the cherubim is an invocation of the zodiac.

00:34:55.200 Why?

00:34:55.920 Because, again, you have the face of the man.

00:34:58.380 The face of the man is representative of the sign of Aquarius, which is a man carrying a

00:35:06.100 pitcher of water or pouring out a pitcher of water.

00:35:08.560 That's the sign of Aquarius.

00:35:09.600 That's the man.

00:35:10.760 Then you have the face of the eagle.

00:35:12.600 And by the way, these are the cardinal directions of the zodiac.

00:35:15.280 These aren't just random zodiacal constellations.

00:35:19.120 These are the cardinal constellations of the zodiac.

00:35:22.060 Aquarius is the man.

00:35:23.780 The eagle.

00:35:24.840 The eagle is Scorpio.

00:35:28.100 Now, Scorpio, most people think Scorpio is a scorpion, and it is, but it's also an eagle.

00:35:32.980 It's the only zodiacal constellation, the only zodiacal sign that has a dual aspect.

00:35:41.540 It's a scorpion and an eagle.

00:35:42.780 You can find it represented as both a scorpion and an eagle in various places throughout the ancient Near East.

00:35:51.480 So, the face of the eagle is Scorpio.

00:35:56.860 Then you have the face of the lion.

00:35:59.900 Well, that's Leo.

00:36:00.940 That's the zodiacal constellation of Leo, the house of Leo.

00:36:04.900 Then you have the face of the ox, which is, of course, Taurus.

00:36:08.460 Those are the four cardinal directions of the zodiac.

00:36:11.020 That's not coincidental.

00:36:12.560 That is not coincidental.

00:36:14.340 That is intentional.

00:36:15.540 Furthermore, the cherubim are covered in eyes all around, it says.

00:36:24.380 Well, the word for eyes, and I don't have it in front of me here, but the word for eyes, see if I can remember if it pops into my brain, the Hebrew word for eyes is used interchangeably with the word for stars, because the eyes twinkle, the eyes glisten like the stars.

00:36:41.540 So, those words, the idea is interchangeable between eyes and stars.

00:36:45.540 Again, your eyes glisten, they glean.

00:36:49.140 And so, if you think of the eyes as stars, then if you look at the zodiacal constellations, if you look up at the night sky, at the constellation of Leo, what is it full of?

00:37:01.620 What is that constellation full of?

00:37:03.700 Stars.

00:37:04.820 In other words, it's full of eyes.

00:37:07.000 This is a clear indication that this is astrological information being conveyed.

00:37:12.800 And when you invoke astrological information, what you're talking about is time.

00:37:18.620 So, the zodiac is a clock, and it's a clock that I could prove from the Bible, was created by God.

00:37:26.760 And we know that the heavenly bodies were created for signs and seasons.

00:37:31.680 The zodiac is very ancient.

00:37:33.400 It goes back to the antediluvian world. 1.00

00:37:35.180 I believe the knowledge was given to Adam.

00:37:37.680 And what it does primarily is it calculates cyclic cataclysm.

00:37:42.640 So, it's very, very important.

00:37:44.260 The ancients thought of it as the great mill in the sky.

00:37:46.600 It is ubiquitous across the world.

00:37:49.280 And we've forgotten this information.

00:37:52.340 But it was very well known in the ancient Near East.

00:37:55.060 So, an ancient Near Eastern astrologer, if they were confronted with the symbology of a chimeric creature, again, let's use the cherubim as a reference here.

00:38:10.620 They would automatically interpret that chimeric creature in astrological terms.

00:38:18.500 And they would derive from that interpretation a very particular meaning.

00:38:25.080 They would never take it literal.

00:38:26.860 And, again, because these visions of these creatures are in the Bible, of these chimeric creatures, are perceived within the context of a dream or a trance.

00:38:42.240 In other words, this is a visionary world.

00:38:45.140 We know that it's symbolic.

00:38:47.720 And it has to be unpacked.

00:38:49.620 It has to be deciphered, decoded.

00:38:52.860 So, there's no part of your theology that includes the idea of, let's say, a spiritual realm.

00:38:57.220 I saw that you had some contention with that.

00:38:58.940 Or, let's say, like a Michael Heiser's unseen realm, where these beings exist in a reality within this spiritual realm.

00:39:06.180 These are spiritual beings.

00:39:07.340 Let's say they don't have to be flesh and blood, some sort of chimeric creature, a mix-up of fallen angels and something else.

00:39:14.880 Do you at all subscribe to that ideology of the unseen realm, as specifically Michael Heiser puts it?

00:39:21.420 And that these old gods were not just symbolic.

00:39:25.280 Maybe they were part symbolic, but actual creatures that did exist in a realm that parallels ours or overlays ours, but are actual creatures, not just pure metaphor or symbolism for the zodiac or otherwise.

00:39:41.080 No, no, I would think that the cherubim, for example, are symbolic of real creatures, but their anatomy is not representative of those creatures.

00:39:52.140 Rather, the cherubim represent, I believe the cherubim represent the princes, the sons of God, the highest order of sons of God.

00:40:02.120 So, let's invoke the word irim, watcher, egregori, the watchers in the Greek.

00:40:10.940 The watchers, the term watcher can be thought of as, this is an occupational descriptor, just like the word angel.

00:40:18.820 And it can be thought of as a being who watches, obviously, but the word watch or to watch is also synonymous with to watch over or to guard, right?

00:40:33.380 So, if you're looking at beings who are watching in the sense that they're watching over their guardians, then now you are deriving the same meaning from watcher as you would from cherubim, a throne guardian, based on the iconography of the ancient Near East.

00:40:55.700 So, these are the same, from my perception perspective, these are the same thing.

00:41:01.440 The cherubim represent watchers, and watchers are guardians. 0.99

00:41:06.260 And what does it mean to be a guardian in the kingdom?

00:41:08.640 It's a prince.

00:41:10.260 So, when the Bible invokes princes, it's talking about very high-ranking sons of God who are imbued with authority to govern in the kingdom of heaven.

00:41:22.260 Now, when you invoke a spiritual realm, you have to define your terms here because Heiser, I disagree with Heiser on this point, Heiser would invoke a spiritual realm but never defined it, except to say that it's a disembodied realm.

00:41:41.140 Well, I don't see any evidence whatsoever that there's a disembodied realm.

00:41:44.460 Would you prefer the terminology dimension, alternate dimension, other dimension, it seems like a popular expression within ufology today that these entities come from an alternate dimension or a portal?

00:41:56.660 I'm also having a hard time how you're completely disregarding that term when, I mean, like in popular culture today, we have means of getting into this extra-dimensional realm, inter-dimensional realm.

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00:42:23.560 Spiritual realm just through like means of DMT. 0.80

00:42:26.160 Like Joe Rogan made this fairly famous.

00:42:28.900 People go in there, they all experience the same thing.

00:42:30.900 What is this realm?

00:42:31.460 Where are they going?

00:42:31.600 They're going into some kind of under tapestry of a realm.

00:42:37.600 Wherever they're going, it speaks that the modern day – go ahead.

00:42:42.200 If you were to walk up to a person, which I've done, who's under the influence of DMT, let's say ayahuasca, ayahuasca, that individual hasn't gone anywhere, have they?

00:42:54.020 Did they go into a different realm or are they just there, you know, puking in a bucket?

00:42:59.640 Or are they – did they go somewhere?

00:43:03.240 Can their spirit go somewhere?

00:43:05.040 Can their spirit go somewhere?

00:43:05.640 What's that?

00:43:06.360 Can their spirit go somewhere like Elisha?

00:43:08.240 Okay, so now we're – see, what I'm doing is I'm forcing us to define our terms here.

00:43:13.420 Well, if I could just talk about this passage where is it Naaman that comes to get healed from Elisha?

00:43:18.060 He comes from Syria.

00:43:19.380 He gets told to go dunk in the Jordan River.

00:43:21.920 And then Gehazi runs after him and says, hey, man, actually, my master changed his mind.

00:43:26.240 We do want some of that money.

00:43:27.340 And then Elisha specifically says, my spirit went with you.

00:43:30.680 Are you saying, like, no, that's not something that can happen?

00:43:34.280 And if your spirit goes somewhere, is that not a spiritual realm?

00:43:37.820 This is a – okay, this is an important distinction.

00:43:42.060 That doesn't mean there's a realm, okay?

00:43:44.140 Okay, so let's go back to the DMT thing because this is a good example.

00:43:49.920 So when somebody's tripping on psilocybin or ayahuasca, they're there, their body's there, just like a person, just like a prophet who's having a trance, right?

00:44:00.340 Just like you when you're dreaming and you're in deep REM sleep, having very, very similar experiences when you have profound dreams.

00:44:08.880 There's really no difference between a profound dream and somebody tripping on DMT.

00:44:14.160 Now, I would say there are some differences, but the experiences are very, very similar.

00:44:17.980 This is like a dreamscape.

00:44:20.020 So obviously, these are perceptual experiences.

00:44:25.120 The person hasn't gone anywhere.

00:44:27.880 They haven't gone anywhere, and to say that their spirit departed and went into some, like, different realm is an extrapolation that –

00:44:38.300 So you might say spirit scape.

00:44:39.300 I think it's –

00:44:40.700 Huh?

00:44:41.320 You might say spirit scape instead.

00:44:44.200 No, I don't think that – I think it's a perceptual world.

00:44:47.300 Does your spirit go somewhere when you dream?

00:44:51.300 I have no way to identify that.

00:44:53.080 Does it go to the dream world when you're dreaming?

00:44:55.620 I would say that for lack of a better vocabulary to apply to the situation, that's an apt way to describe it.

00:45:01.920 Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

00:45:03.940 I think there are varying levels of it, yeah.

00:45:06.100 Okay, so first of all, we know that dreams are a product of the brain.

00:45:14.120 We know that.

00:45:14.760 We can induce dreams.

00:45:15.960 We can interrupt dreams.

00:45:17.480 Dreams are a product of the brain.

00:45:18.560 You have different kinds of dreams based on different things that are going on in your body, chemically speaking.

00:45:25.620 The same thing applies to DMT.

00:45:28.700 The same thing applies to psychedelics.

00:45:31.060 Something is happening in the brain.

00:45:33.200 This is a perceptual world.

00:45:34.940 Now, I will agree that within this perceptual experience, DMTs – dreams are like this too, but especially through DMT –

00:45:45.680 you can make contact with other non-human intelligences in this perceptual environment.

00:45:52.480 But I like to think of it as an internet of consciousness.

00:45:56.420 So just like you and I, we're talking – we're not in the same room.

00:46:01.120 You guys aren't sitting here in my room.

00:46:02.680 I'm not sitting there, and you're not here in my office.

00:46:04.480 I'm not there in your studio.

00:46:05.400 But yet here we are interacting.

00:46:07.780 You can hear me, and you can see me.

00:46:10.860 So we're having this very interesting interchange, even though we're not physically in the same place.

00:46:18.000 And we understand that this is happening because of technology, basically, fundamentally because of electricity.

00:46:24.860 Right?

00:46:25.020 That's the agency through which we are able to do this, is electricity.

00:46:30.940 Well, in the same way, when people are under the influence of narcotics, especially psychedelics, prominently – especially psychedelics, let's put it in those terms.

00:46:43.260 Although this happens when people are – sometimes you can have a lucid vision where you're not under the influence of anything, right?

00:46:50.300 So that's why there's a caveat there.

00:46:52.040 But when that's happening –

00:46:53.680 Fasting comes to mind.

00:46:55.440 Yeah, yeah.

00:46:56.020 You can have a lucid – or if you're, by the way, near-death experience, or if you're dying of thirst, or if you're completely dehydrated, you start to hallucinate.

00:47:06.980 So you can have these perceptual experiences.

00:47:09.280 And when you're in this perceptual mode, just like we're communicating over the Internet, and I'm going to say again, especially through the agency of psychedelics, I think you can plug into something.

00:47:23.380 Your brain connects to something.

00:47:26.760 And it's what I like to call an Internet of consciousness to where other beings are also plugged into this Internet of consciousness.

00:47:35.160 And just like we're each plugged into the Internet, we can communicate.

00:47:39.840 Well, when you plug your psyche into the Internet of consciousness, you then become open to communication from other intelligences that are there.

00:47:49.960 And that's not a realm.

00:47:51.740 This isn't a realm.

00:47:52.740 Would you guys say that there's a realm of the Internet?

00:47:55.180 Is it a realm?

00:47:57.920 That's hard to define.

00:47:59.020 I mean, maybe a better question would be if it happens exclusively in your brain, then how are people having meaningful near-death experiences when they're declared brain dead?

00:48:05.460 Because it's not just, it's not exclusive to the brain.

00:48:09.800 There's a mechanism in the brain, but the consciousness is outside of the brain.

00:48:13.800 So nobody really understands the realm or like your spirit.

00:48:17.160 Consciousness is connected to the body in some way.

00:48:20.180 And all the near-death experiences, which is a different topic, but near-death experiences are variegated.

00:48:27.380 They vary wildly based on a person's cultural background, based on their own religious theological perspectives.

00:48:40.260 You know, if you're a Catholic, I talked to a guy that was dead, clinically dead, got blown up in, I think it was Iraq.

00:48:46.460 And he was a Catholic, and he had a very Catholic experience where he saw like, I forget the name of the statue, where Mary is holding Jesus.

00:48:57.460 That's famous carving where Mary's holding Jesus in her arms.

00:49:01.920 And he had an experience, very, very Catholic experience, in which he was dead, and there he is seeing Mary holding Jesus.

00:49:08.940 And then suddenly he realizes it's him.

00:49:10.620 Mary's holding him.

00:49:11.560 And all the iconography of this experience was, as I said, was Catholic, was very, very Catholic, because he was a Catholic.

00:49:23.020 People have all kinds of experiences, near-death experiences, which tells me that these are perceptual experiences based on the person's own cultural background, theological disposition.

00:49:35.320 Sometimes you have an atheist who has a near-death experience, and it's like hell, right? 1.00

00:49:40.520 Demons and hell and all this kind of stuff.

00:49:42.480 Well, maybe that person was subconsciously really worried that maybe hell did exist or whatever.

00:49:47.940 You know what I mean?

00:49:48.700 So there's no like near-death experiences.

00:49:52.280 They're so variegated.

00:49:53.860 Yes, there's some commonalities that people most of the time have a good experience, and this includes, by the way, atheists, most of the time have a good experience.

00:50:05.740 They see a light, or they're confronted with, or they're met by their loved ones, or some wonderful communication.

00:50:17.720 They receive some wonderful communication from a disembodied voice, or they're in this beautiful place.

00:50:22.940 I mean, and then you have the hellscapes, and then you have everything in between.

00:50:27.400 So I wouldn't use near-death experience to try and bolster the idea that there's a spiritual realm.

00:50:37.660 So do I believe – let's change the definition here, okay?

00:50:42.280 Let's not talk about a spiritual realm, because if you're going to invoke a spiritual realm, you have to tell me, first of all, what makes a spiritual realm different than a physical realm?

00:50:50.500 So answer that question first.

00:50:51.800 What's the difference?

00:50:52.940 Let me grant that there's a spiritual realm.

00:50:55.520 At the 50-minute mark, I don't think we should risk getting in the weeds of the intangible nature of the spirit any longer.

00:51:03.080 The nature of this –

00:51:04.260 This is great, though.

00:51:05.120 No, it's fantastic, but I recognize that we're dealing with an intangible thing here.

00:51:09.660 I think it's wise to move on to the more nuts and bolts aspect of what we actually came to talk about, which is this thing that we're on the cusp of.

00:51:18.000 Now, the show is called Are Aliens, Demons?

00:51:22.140 This is a cheeky way of getting into a larger conversation.

00:51:24.900 The larger conversation surrounds specifically disclosure.

00:51:28.720 That is the thing that I find most fascinating about the things that you have to say in this conversation, this greater conversation about aliens.

00:51:35.680 Now, the way that I want to set this up –

00:51:38.260 And this isn't accusatory.

00:51:39.720 This is more asking for clarification.

00:51:41.700 We watched your series on this show, True Legends.

00:51:45.400 It's a fantastic documentary.

00:51:47.440 The True Legends – what's the sub there?

00:51:51.580 The Technology of the Fallen.

00:51:53.060 The Technology of the Fallen.

00:51:54.420 It was actually the second one in particular that stood out to me.

00:51:57.420 It was about the Vatican.

00:51:58.300 And throughout that documentary, you, Tom Horn, and Steve Quayle do a fantastic job of laying out not only the compelling evidence for giants having created megalithic structures and technology being utilized to create megalithic structures, given the fitment of the stones, et cetera, but one of the things that really stuck out was when you were talking about the Vatican and the role that it was going to play in a coming disclosure deception.

00:52:22.920 We talked about, or you talked about on that documentary, how the pope was alluding to baptizing space brethren, et cetera, et cetera.

00:52:32.200 It was either Tom Quayle or Steve –

00:52:34.720 Steve Quayle or Tom Horn.

00:52:36.040 I'm sorry, Steve Quayle or Tom Horn who said that it was the great deception.

00:52:39.380 That was the language that they used, the great deception. 0.98

00:52:42.880 And one of the things that you personally said was that you were concerned that the Antichrist was going to emerge from this deception.

00:52:49.260 Now, where we sit is basically on the cusp of the very thing that you warned about 10 years ago.

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00:53:11.980 We're sitting here where I would call this for – and it's cheeky, right?

00:53:17.720 And it's maybe a caricaturization of what this documentary was.

00:53:22.980 But the age of disclosure feels, for all intents and purposes, like a government-funded disclosure operation.

00:53:29.420 Now, a lot of people have been waiting for alien disclosure, yourself included, myself included, for 20, 30 years.

00:53:35.040 As far back as this phenomenon has been taking place, what is strange to me is now we can get lost in the weeds about, well, what is a demon?

00:53:44.280 Is this demonic?

00:53:45.600 Is this phenomenon in opposition to God, et cetera?

00:53:49.580 But if you believe that the Antichrist is going to emerge, which I agree with, and I thought your research on the matter was very compelling, and it is in alignment with our research, along with countless other people in the space.

00:54:02.300 It's not like our thoughts are original.

00:54:03.900 It's kind of like you've actually formed an argument that has formed an argument that has now come to argue with you.

00:54:10.080 It's like time travel.

00:54:10.920 Yeah, it's like time travel.

00:54:13.340 And so there is a –

00:54:15.140 Have you read Birthright?

00:54:16.860 Yes, yes.

00:54:17.820 So there is a time in your studies where you suspect the Antichrist is going to come from this disclosure.

00:54:24.160 As far as I'm concerned, Tim, it looks to me like age of disclosure is the biggest step in that direction, and it is filled with a bunch of people who have worked in the intelligence community.

00:54:34.560 And I'm not saying that automatically makes them discredited.

00:54:37.920 In fact, I don't even necessarily think that's what's happening.

00:54:40.580 I don't think that they're feds.

00:54:41.940 I see you saying that a lot online, a lot of people accusing Luis Elizondo of getting the call is what you said.

00:54:48.100 Did he get the call?

00:54:48.840 Did he get the call?

00:54:49.700 I wasn't referring to Luis Elizondo in that way.

00:54:52.400 I was referring to myself.

00:54:54.360 People accused me of having gotten the call.

00:54:58.160 I was actually looking at your Twitter just the other day.

00:55:00.500 It was a flippant thing that you said to somebody, but somebody was criticizing Elizondo, and you said jokingly, oh, do you think that he got the call?

00:55:08.220 Oh, okay, yeah.

00:55:09.120 Which is a fair criticism, right, because that doesn't mean anything.

00:55:12.440 Got the call from who?

00:55:13.320 Are we talking about the Jews, Israel, the Vatican?

00:55:15.260 What are we talking about?

00:55:16.360 That's fine.

00:55:17.020 But to put it in the words of either Steve Quill or Tom Horn, this is the great deception, and I find that it is a higher likelihood that the people that are involved in parading this thing around are themselves deceived, are meaning well.

00:55:31.580 Just like the people that you say, using the language of demons or demonic to describe this phenomenon, mean well but are misguided.

00:55:39.340 I think a lot of these people that are in this space mean well but are misguided.

00:55:42.840 So what happened in this time, what sort of information did you gather that doesn't make you a guy who's been in this space for a long time sound the alarm, sound the alarm, because to me it looks like the enemy is almost on the horizon.

00:55:55.860 This great deception that leads to the Antichrist is at our doorstep, closer than it's ever been, surely, and it's got more eyes on it than ever, and the narrative is being rolled out and formed, and it's also being packaged in a way where everybody has their talking points.

00:56:10.820 What are your talking points?

00:56:11.620 I'm in the military for 28 years, I saw these things.

00:56:15.020 I've been in the Air Force for 30 years, I saw these things.

00:56:17.280 I've been in the Navy for X amount of years, I saw these things.

00:56:19.980 And we're getting our talking point, we're getting our repetition.

00:56:23.320 It's beyond me or anybody that listens to this show to trust the experts, and I know that you say that's an ironic place to be because if the government did come out and tell us the truth, we simply wouldn't be able to believe them because of the distrust that we have for them.

00:56:34.220 So, yeah, maybe that's a discussion to have.

00:56:38.040 But where is this?

00:56:40.160 I imagine if I was a guy that truly was convicted in this idea that the Antichrist would come from this system, I would be sounding the alarm.

00:56:46.960 What is it that you were introduced to that changed that tone?

00:56:50.320 What would you be sounding the alarm about?

00:56:53.460 I would sound the alarm about the nature of listening to experts talk about disclosure, experts like let's say the Vatican, for example, and that you should have a very healthy distrust for anything that presents itself as this alien phenomenon.

00:57:12.260 And that really your eyes and your heart should be focused on Jesus Christ.

00:57:16.720 Okay, but let's talk about the nature of the deception that you're referencing.

00:57:23.820 First of all, my thoughts on this topic specifically, I don't believe I would disagree with anything I said in those films.

00:57:29.920 That was a long time ago.

00:57:31.620 And I have evolved, my perception has evolved, my perspective rather, on certain topics, but all of that is laid out in Birthright.

00:57:40.120 That's why I asked you if you read Birthright, because in Birthright, I talk about precisely what you're referencing, that the Antichrist, I believe, is going to come and be received.

00:57:53.280 He's going to come, I believe, at the helm of an aerospace vehicle and will be received as an extraterrestrial savior and that he will be received by Christians as the second coming of Christ.

00:58:06.240 He's going to be an imposter. 0.91

00:58:07.220 He'll be received by every major world religion as their Christ figure.

00:58:13.220 And he's going to deliver us, in my estimation, and this is just a theory, from the gray alien threat. 0.96

00:58:19.720 That's what I write in Birthright.

00:58:21.500 And, or perhaps, perhaps, and or a, some kind of a cataclysmic event, you know, an asteroid or something like that.

00:58:33.860 And so that, the deception that I talk about in regard to this topic is the presentation of this imposter, this person who is claiming to be Christ, but who is, from my perspective, the seed of Satan, the offspring, the son of Satan, who will present himself to the world as our savior.

00:58:58.300 Yes, I believe that the Vatican is quietly, especially the Jesuits, quietly crafting, quietly building the theological substrate, the foundation to receive our alien saviors.

00:59:13.680 And I believe that those alien saviors, in contrast to gray aliens, which, of course, are, are ugly little exotic beings. 1.00

00:59:23.720 The saviors that, the saviors that the world will receive with open arms are going to be, are going to look like us, are going to look like what the, in ufology are called the, the Pleiadians or the Nordics. 0.97

00:59:39.000 And this makes a lot of sense to me.

00:59:42.240 So, none of that has changed.

00:59:44.320 My perspective on, none of, none of that has changed.

00:59:47.120 So, just to clarify, because I got lost a little bit there.

00:59:49.340 You're saying that you expect this savior that will be Antichrist or the Antichrist to come from this camp, this tall Nords, this Pleiadians, and that they're going to defeat this threat that is the gray aliens. 0.97

01:00:03.120 Is that what you said?

01:00:03.980 I suspect that that's true.

01:00:05.660 I don't know that that's true for sure.

01:00:07.140 I suspect that something like that is going to play out.

01:00:09.280 Nobody knows exactly where all of this is headed, except to say that it's headed to Armageddon.

01:00:14.540 Ultimately, this culminates in war with God.

01:00:17.080 That's, that's the culmination of the book Birthright.

01:00:20.000 And, and surely that's where all of this is headed.

01:00:22.920 Now, now let's be, this, we have to get into the particulars.

01:00:26.980 So, I, there I framed what I believe the deception is.

01:00:29.560 The deception clearly, and by the way, the great deception is, is, is precisely that.

01:00:36.220 It's going to revolve around this person that shows up in the world, and I don't think it's just going to be a political figure,

01:00:43.360 who presents himself as the son of God, as the Christ.

01:00:50.680 But he will be anti-Christ, and he will be in opposition to Christ and to his people.

01:00:58.060 That's the deception.

01:00:58.980 That's the great deception.

01:01:00.620 And people will follow him.

01:01:03.240 So, this all hinges on, the deception itself hinges on Jesus' words to his, his question.

01:01:09.300 The most important question posed in the Bible, cover to cover.

01:01:12.560 This is, this is unquestionably the most important question posed.

01:01:17.700 And it's Jesus talking to his disciples.

01:01:20.620 And he says, who do men say that I am?

01:01:24.420 And they say, well, some say you're Elijah, some say you're the prophet.

01:01:29.900 But Jesus asks them, who do you say that I am?

01:01:34.640 And Peter says, you are the Messiah, the son of God.

01:01:40.460 And then Jesus said, blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you, but my father who is in heaven.

01:01:45.380 And then he says, on this rock, I will build my church.

01:01:49.040 And, of course, the rock that he's talking about is the revelation of who he is.

01:01:52.480 That's the rock that the church is built on.

01:01:54.740 So, what is the lie?

01:01:55.780 What is the deception?

01:01:56.680 It's the antithesis of that.

01:01:58.400 The deception is an imposter who comes in the name of Christ, who presents himself as the Savior, the son of God.

01:02:06.760 And, of course, his God is the dragon.

01:02:09.540 So, what you're going to have is you're going to have an inversion of the gospel.

01:02:13.200 It's Luciferianism.

01:02:14.900 It's the lie.

01:02:16.060 It's the Luciferian lie that Yahweh was a tyrant who enslaved mankind.

01:02:25.460 And that it was actually this figure we call Lucifer, which is actually a misnomer from the Vulgate, this being that the Bible defines as the devil and Satan, who was in Eden, the garden of God with Eve, that that being will be presented as the real benefactor of mankind.

01:02:43.860 This is the Promethean benefactor of mankind.

01:02:47.680 This is the good guy.

01:02:49.100 He's pro-humanity.

01:02:50.420 He wanted to, he enlightens us, he breaks the shackles of Yahweh and frees, liberates mankind.

01:03:00.640 That's the lie.

01:03:02.900 His son, I believe his son, his hybrid son, will be presented in the place of Christ.

01:03:09.280 That's what antichrist means, by the way, in the place of Christ.

01:03:12.840 That's the lie.

01:03:15.120 That's the deception.

01:03:16.260 And I've always maintained that, and I maintain that to this day.

01:03:20.580 Now back up, and let's kind of reverse engineer your thoughts here.

01:03:25.320 So you have to define what you believe specifically is the deception, because if you are here to say that the deception is crash retrievals and gray aliens, I'm going to disagree with you.

01:03:40.480 Crash retrievals.

01:03:40.880 I never claimed that it was the great deception.

01:03:42.320 I said that Tom Horner, Steve Quill said that, but I think that you've laid that out really well.

01:03:47.740 And from this position, we can ask a couple of follow-up questions.

01:03:50.720 Now, I would say that I agree that Gnostic view, Yaldoboath, the demiurge, being the, you know, imprisoner of the planet and all this other stuff and rebellion. 0.98

01:04:00.100 I can see that that is the way that this is more than likely going to unfold.

01:04:05.760 But what I'm curious about is I watch you, in many cases, push back against anybody who will say something like aliens are demons or aliens are demonic.

01:04:17.380 But from what you just described, from the Pleiadians will likely emerge this antichrist savior figure after they destroy the grays. 1.00

01:04:25.980 Where in this body of ETs or NHIs or any of the rebranding that we've given them recently, is there something worthy of giving pause to that statement?

01:04:38.040 That statement being, this is demonic or these are demons.

01:04:41.500 Couldn't it be said that if you dismiss the aliens as of that ilk, then you're pretty well safe?

01:04:51.480 Safe from what?

01:04:52.780 I mean, acknowledging reality doesn't open you up to deception.

01:04:58.800 So, whether or not you're going to fall for the deception, the great deception is going to depend on how deep your roots go in the gospel of Christ.

01:05:09.780 And if you are loyal to the king of heaven or disloyal, that's what the deception is going to hinge on.

01:05:16.000 It's not going to be, you're not going to be tricked into anything.

01:05:19.760 It's going to be a test of loyalty.

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01:05:37.540 And so I'm not worried about being deceived.

01:05:40.220 And I'm not worried about Christian being deceived.

01:05:41.000 Well, you're not worried about being perceived, but your occupation is such that you have, this is what you do.

01:05:47.080 You have the time and you can exert the effort into looking into all of the greater details and nuances of this phenomenon.

01:05:53.280 The average person doesn't have that.

01:05:55.320 The average person is working at nine to five.

01:05:57.480 The world will be subjected to this large deception.

01:06:02.040 If the antichrist is going to come from the Pleiadians, if the grays are going to be defeated and they're going to look like heroes, perhaps it is better for the average person to just look at the entire phenomenon and go, this is not of God. 0.97

01:06:14.700 This is demonic.

01:06:15.780 This is a distraction from my walk with Jesus Christ.

01:06:18.340 And therefore, I'm going to focus on that instead of whatever's happening here, and I'm going to reject that.

01:06:23.380 So when the Pleiadians do come down to this person who is not equipped, who really could be – I wonder, your body of knowledge is representative of what percentage of the population, meaning who else has access to –

01:06:36.540 It doesn't matter.

01:06:37.780 It doesn't matter.

01:06:38.580 All you have to be knowledgeable of is the gospel of Christ.

01:06:41.960 Exactly.

01:06:43.140 So if you were to say, I love Christ and these things are demons, what is even the sense in pushing back against that?

01:06:49.680 Well, because, first of all, there's no advantage to believing fantasies.

01:06:59.460 We have to get very specific here.

01:07:01.860 So people say this is all a deception.

01:07:05.000 That doesn't mean anything.

01:07:06.780 That's such an ambiguous phrase.

01:07:10.680 It literally means nothing.

01:07:12.260 What precisely is the deception?

01:07:15.780 So let's be specific here.

01:07:16.860 We have these whistleblowers, including Lou Elizondo, David Grush, and the others who've come forward.

01:07:23.480 And what they're saying – this is what they're saying uniformly.

01:07:28.080 What they're saying is that there is an illegal legacy crash retrieval program in which elements of the United States government, the military-industrial complex, with aerospace contractors, private contracting companies,

01:07:44.080 have been and are actively recovering advanced aerospace craft of non-human design and, in association with these craft, the pilots, non-human biological pilots who crash and die.

01:08:00.560 And that this technology has been sequestered into these aerospace companies and illegally hidden from oversight from Congress.

01:08:14.900 So it's – there's no oversight.

01:08:17.740 The program is real.

01:08:19.020 And there is no oversight by Congress and, therefore, by extension, the American people.

01:08:23.400 And that, to some extent, the situation is out of control and that elements of this – elements of this cover-up are now rogue.

01:08:34.240 Okay?

01:08:34.640 That's what these guys are saying.

01:08:36.500 That's what they're saying.

01:08:38.600 So tell me – they're not saying that, hey, these are our saviors.

01:08:43.960 They're not saying that the aliens are our gods.

01:08:47.540 They're not saying that the Bible is false.

01:08:51.420 They're not – there's no messaging involved here.

01:08:53.740 All these guys are saying, the ones that have raised their hand and, under oath, have testified to Congress, all they're saying are the things that I just laid out.

01:09:03.680 So now tell me.

01:09:05.340 Forget about – I don't care about their backgrounds. 0.88

01:09:07.460 I don't care about fake photos and things like this.

01:09:10.300 Let's just focus on what they're saying.

01:09:14.540 What is the deception here?

01:09:17.640 What are they – what's the disinformation?

01:09:19.600 What's the deception?

01:09:21.480 Where's the misdirect here?

01:09:23.420 It's actually very subtle.

01:09:24.640 So if you're creating a documentary, let's say in the case of Age of Disclosure, and you're exploring this phenomenon with no consideration, and especially none given to the general public who's viewing it, of the supernatural, of Jesus Christ, of God, of angels, of any of these things.

01:09:44.980 If you're not exploring that, that's one thing.

01:10:17.720 It's one thing Christ-adjacent, was a dismissal of the notion, and in fact, saying that anybody who did express that notion stood in the way of progress.

01:10:26.680 Something that I've actually heard you say on your review of Age of Disclosure, you echo those exact same sentiments.

01:10:31.820 You said that those people who said demonic and demons were misguided, which is the exact same thing that was said on that – maybe a little bit more gracious because misguided is nice.

01:10:40.660 On that documentary, they just said those people stood in the way of progress.

01:10:44.260 So what you've done now is to the average person who's not well-researched, who doesn't have the analytical mind, who doesn't even have the time, let's be honest, nine-to-fives and all that, you've subliminally planted a little seed in their head.

01:10:56.140 And that is religious people have stood in the way of progress because of things like labeling this demonic or of the devil, which means that anytime they hear that in the future, they're going to scoff and recoil at that.

01:11:08.760 And let's be honest, what this leads to, according to the New Age and a multitude of other things, including the Bible, is a falling away and a consolidation of the religions, one-world religion, under this new umbrella.

01:11:22.240 So you have to actually get Christianity out of the way. 0.95

01:11:25.680 So it's not unremarkable or insignificant that in this gigantic documentary, the only thing they saw fit to do was dismiss it in the most flippant ways.

01:11:35.880 They're not Christians. A lot of these guys are Christians. 0.92

01:11:38.040 And that's a mistake, to explore this phenomenon without Christianity, without being rooted in Jesus Christ, as we just said, rooted in the gospel.

01:11:46.420 Rooted in the gospel is what you said, right?

01:11:48.580 And so the biggest mouthpiece on this phenomenon are not rooted in the Bible.

01:11:52.940 Well, some of them. Some of them aren't Christians. 0.94

01:11:56.200 So this isn't a theological documentary.

01:12:00.820 They're not coming at this topic from a theological perspective.

01:12:03.480 They're coming at this topic from a—

01:12:04.280 Which is a fundamental mistake.

01:12:05.180 Not necessarily.

01:12:07.720 They're coming at this topic from just a nuts and bolts perspective.

01:12:11.300 This is what we know to be true.

01:12:13.680 This is what we can testify as what we would describe as a set of facts.

01:12:20.100 And we believe that these beings are real, they're non-human, and at some level, they represent a national security threat.

01:12:29.380 That's what the—that's how I would summarize that film.

01:12:33.300 Now—

01:12:33.640 Can I pose to you a simple question, then?

01:12:36.000 If being rooted in the gospel is the most important aspect of this entire thing, how is it absent from this discussion?

01:12:42.740 Who cares what they say?

01:12:43.940 This is the job of people like me and like you guys, who remind believers that they need to be rooted in the gospel of Christ, that that's the anchor.

01:12:55.400 But I'm not here—I'm not going to deny reality.

01:12:58.360 Have you done that, though, on your shows on The Daily Wire?

01:13:00.400 I mean, this is kind of—

01:13:02.100 Oh, many times, yes.

01:13:03.520 Many times.

01:13:04.320 I say this all the time.

01:13:06.100 But the—we have to acknowledge the reality, the facts, okay?

01:13:11.540 There is a crash retrieval program.

01:13:13.700 They are recovering non-human technology and non-human bodies. 0.79

01:13:18.280 There's nothing deceptive about that except for the fact that elements of the military-industrial complex are trying to hide that from the American people.

01:13:26.060 Now, if you have—by the way, there's opposing Christian factions here, okay?

01:13:33.560 So this is much more complex than you think.

01:13:36.000 There are—there's a faction of Christians inside of government, and I would describe them as evangelical Christians, who are opposed to telling the American people anything about this phenomenon.

01:13:49.840 Are you alluding to the Collins elite?

01:13:51.260 The—the so-called Collins elite, I don't know if they would consider themselves that or how well organized they are.

01:13:57.580 This faction exists.

01:13:59.140 Again, I don't know how well organized they are, but they're there.

01:14:01.980 They're evangelical Christians.

01:14:04.020 And then you have another faction of Christians who want to tell the American people the truth and who are trying to get to the bottom of this thing and bring these programs back under the jurisdiction, the control of Congress, the oversight of Congress, okay? 0.74

01:14:20.060 Because a lot of what's being done is—I will use the word demonic—and is contrary to the Constitution and so forth.

01:14:32.200 So there's believers on both sides of this thing.

01:14:34.940 It's not over here the Christians are telling us it's demons and everybody who's saying, no, we need to tell the truth about this phenomenon.

01:14:42.860 We need to tell the American people what's going on, that those are just atheistic people who don't—who are not coming at this from a Christian perspective.

01:14:51.380 That's simply not true.

01:14:53.680 In fact, the congressmen who are most active in this arena—and by the way, their main goal is to do two things.

01:15:03.500 To tell the American people the truth, as much of the truth as they can without compromising national security.

01:15:10.380 And then to bring these illegal programs back under the control of the American people of Congress and also of the executive branch. 0.52

01:15:22.020 Because the things that are happening in these programs—some of the things that have been happening in these programs are evil.

01:15:30.080 I mean, you're talking about experimentation on human beings.

01:15:33.360 You're talking about this advanced technology falling into the hands of extremely nefarious groups who are using it to do terrible things.

01:15:42.600 And so there's a lot of crime that's being covered up.

01:15:47.360 The most terrible things imaginable have been done in the service of acquiring reverse engineering this technology and keeping it secret from the American people.

01:15:57.580 I mean, the elements of the government and these aerospace contractors have murdered people to keep this thing secret.

01:16:08.420 See, that's what I would call evil.

01:16:09.720 That's nefarious.

01:16:10.880 And the people that I work with—

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01:16:30.280 At the governmental level, our believers, our Christians, many of them, most of them,

01:16:34.440 and they want to bring this monster, this octopus that's grown in darkness under the cover of these unacknowledged special access programs

01:16:55.920 that have been developed in the underground, the deep underground military bases, outside of the jurisdiction of the executive branch and Congress.

01:17:04.000 That's what they want to remedy.

01:17:06.000 That's what they want to remedy, okay?

01:17:07.800 And I applaud that effort.

01:17:10.080 That's a noble effort.

01:17:11.620 And I think that hiding the truth from people, hiding the truth from the American people,

01:17:17.900 I don't think there's anything righteous or just or noble about that.

01:17:22.420 I'm completely opposed to that.

01:17:24.620 So the fact that we have crash retrievals, that we have alien bodies, and I use the word alien very intentionally because they're not us.

01:17:35.160 They're not us, okay, these bodies.

01:17:37.520 And as I defined earlier, demons are the disembodied spirits of dead giants, of Nephilim, okay?

01:17:43.000 They're disembodied.

01:17:44.560 These are physical, biological beings who crash and die.

01:17:50.200 So are they demonic?

01:17:52.380 Well, that's a different question.

01:17:54.620 Demonic simply means nefarious, fiendish, maniacal, and so forth.

01:18:00.100 Are they demonic?

01:18:01.300 Well, then you'd have to – let's define who we're talking about.

01:18:03.960 If we're talking about gray aliens, I believe personally that gray aliens are demonic, but I would never concede that they are demons.

01:18:11.520 Those are two different ideas, setting aside the Western perception of demons and just constraining ourselves to the Hebraic cosmological perspective of demons.

01:18:22.760 No, they're clearly not demons, but what they're doing is nefarious because of the abduction program and the breeding program and the generation of advanced human-alien hybrids. 0.62

01:18:36.600 I think that their goal is what Dr. David Jacobs describes as planetary acquisition.

01:18:41.280 So are they demonic?

01:18:42.800 Yes.

01:18:43.140 Do they constitute a national security threat?

01:18:46.380 Unequivocally, is the –

01:18:47.780 Do you agree with the idea that they're into planetary acquisition?

01:18:52.020 What's that?

01:18:53.040 Are you subscribed to the idea that they are after planetary acquisition?

01:18:58.080 Yes.

01:18:58.700 Gray aliens? 0.99

01:18:59.320 Yes, absolutely.

01:19:01.880 Something I want to ask you is you – so, you know, you've done a lot, documentaries, podcasts, books, et cetera.

01:19:09.800 I've only got a small view into, you know, another platform you have access to right now, which is Twitter.

01:19:16.220 And I was curious as you were talking, this idea of being grounded in the gospel I think is incredibly important.

01:19:22.800 I think you're right over the target when you say that.

01:19:25.000 Being grounded in the gospel is what is going to get you through this.

01:19:28.500 And so I thought surely there must be mention of the gospel you must have taken to your ex to talk about the gospel within the context of being grounded in it in order to not be deceived or to understand or, you know, get through this period and be in alignment with God and stay on this narrow path and, you know, have salvation through Christ and not be, you know, twisted up in this entire multifaceted thing that we've got here.

01:19:55.720 I got to admit, I got to admit, I got to admit, I got to admit, I'm looking at this and you've got one mention of extraterrestrial life in the same breath as the gospel of Christ.

01:20:05.240 And all it is is to say the curiosity of the existence of the extraterrestrial life does not detract from the gospel of Christ.

01:20:11.700 Now, that's fine.

01:20:12.620 You've got a lot of different platforms where you are doing this thing.

01:20:15.540 What gets me is if I type in the word demonic, gray or demons into your Twitter and do a keyword search, you have spent a lot of time, a lot of time, especially in stark comparison to what I've just laid out here, knocking people off of this position.

01:20:34.860 And it's just strange to me because...

01:20:38.340 Gray aliens aren't demons.

01:20:39.940 No, and I know that.

01:20:41.700 Well, what are gray aliens? 0.89

01:20:43.100 Gray, we're not going to agree on this.

01:20:45.060 We've gone back and forth in this.

01:20:46.300 I'm actually not interested in hashing that out as much as to say on this show that I believe that there's a high likelihood they're a biomechanical husk that is basically an automaton meant to carry out tasks in a physical realm where these things otherwise would not be able to engage with us physically.

01:21:02.580 And so it's a limited form of technology that they can interface with.

01:21:06.320 I know we've had this on a previous show, you said, and that comes predominantly from Karen Wilkinson.

01:21:13.420 She's got a firsthand experience with these things, and her testimony has contributed significantly.

01:21:20.380 Right, but was she sleeping?

01:21:21.500 Well, I mean, she wouldn't maintain that she was sleeping considering there was a pregnancy and, you know, a hybrid. 1.00

01:21:26.740 Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

01:21:27.600 You're talking about alien abduction.

01:21:29.680 No, no, alien abduction.

01:21:30.460 Right, right, but that's a separate thing.

01:21:31.340 I don't want to go off on that.

01:21:32.580 I don't want to go off on that tangent.

01:21:35.820 I want to say.

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01:21:53.220 It is strange to me, and there's a multitude of ways you can defend it, and maybe it's my own bias,

01:21:58.360 that you would spend all this time fighting people down off the hill that these things are demons or demonic,

01:22:03.600 but very, very, very little, little to no mention on your own Twitter of the gospel of Christ being what you need to be grounded in.

01:22:09.820 As a matter of fact, that's not what you say at all on your Twitter.

01:22:13.100 Well, that's disingenuous.

01:22:15.100 I'm sorry, but that's disingenuous.

01:22:16.580 I'm doing a keyword search right now.

01:22:18.880 Who cares about what I say on Twitter?

01:22:20.620 I spend a great deal of time in my publications, in interviews with people, on my YouTube channel.

01:22:26.660 You would imagine, though, it is important what you say on your Twitter, right?

01:22:30.960 I mean, if you're going to go as far as to tell people it's not demons or it's not demonic.

01:22:34.840 Well, it's not demons.

01:22:35.420 Why would I contradict myself?

01:22:39.440 It's not demons.

01:22:40.020 That's a fair question.

01:22:40.660 I would say, why wouldn't you spend time telling people to be grounded in the gospel of Christ in order to not be whipped up in this deception?

01:22:46.940 Well, because oftentimes what I'm responding to are people who are attempting to say that the whole thing is a deception, that what the whistleblowers are saying, that's all just a deception, which is absurd.

01:23:04.420 And it's not true.

01:23:05.620 What the whistleblowers are saying is true.

01:23:07.920 And we should be behind, we should be applauding their efforts to expose these illegal programs and to bring these programs back under the jurisdiction of the government, back under the jurisdiction of Congress and the executive branch specifically.

01:23:27.900 That's a noble enterprise.

01:23:30.220 These guys know that very grave crimes, very grievous crimes have been committed under the shadow of darkness because these programs are out of sight, out of mind.

01:23:43.640 Literally, some of them are being developed miles beneath the surface of the earth in these deep underground military bases.

01:23:49.480 The most heinous things have been done.

01:23:51.840 Okay.

01:23:52.320 Children have been taken forcefully and inducted into these programs for various things, for various reasons.

01:23:58.520 And this gets really dark, by the way.

01:24:02.800 And so these guys are coming forward saying, you've been lied to, this program exists, it's existed for a long time, we're reverse engineering technology and have been, and there's no oversight.

01:24:16.180 Okay.

01:24:16.740 Now, that is a noble endeavor.

01:24:19.160 And so I defend that endeavor, and I defend the congressmen and women who are working to get oversight over this situation and to inform the American people of the truth.

01:24:29.240 Okay.

01:24:30.180 That is a noble enterprise.

01:24:33.300 And so when people look at that and say, it's all just demonic and a deception, that's disingenuous.

01:24:39.440 And it's ignorant.

01:24:40.860 And it's not true.

01:24:42.180 There's nothing deceptive about the declaration that we have a reverse engineering program, a legacy program that goes back decades.

01:24:52.760 We have been recovering and attempting to reverse engineer non-human technology and have been studying the bodies.

01:25:00.160 That's where this thing begins.

01:25:01.960 Okay.

01:25:02.100 But the rabbit hole goes deep, and it's dark.

01:25:07.320 And people like Lou Elizondo, I know Lou, Lou's a friend of mine, people like Lou and others would acknowledge immediately.

01:25:16.240 Now, they don't say this publicly because they're not theological people.

01:25:19.860 They're not, they're not, they're not, they don't do what I do.

01:25:23.800 But, but privately, they will tell you that this is demonic, that it's nefarious, that it's fiendish, that it's maniacal.

01:25:32.980 This is demonic.

01:25:34.820 Much of it.

01:25:35.840 Not all of it.

01:25:37.280 Much of it.

01:25:38.360 And I say not all of it, because as I said in the beginning, that's why I went through what I did in the beginning of this conversation.

01:25:43.780 You know, we have to differentiate between the bad guys and the good guys.

01:25:48.120 And the good guys here.

01:25:49.000 The good guys being the angels, the good guys being the loyal sons of God, who use the same kind of technology.

01:25:56.200 And where do you see them in this mix-up?

01:25:57.560 Do you have any examples?

01:25:58.860 And I know this is speculation, or, you know, it's once again the intangible, but where in the alien phenomenon would you point to as a likelihood for the good side of things?

01:26:07.640 Well, I would, I mean, that's, one can only speculate.

01:26:12.900 But I have a good friend of mine named Gary Stearman, who maybe you guys are familiar with Gary Stearman over at Prophecy Watchers.

01:26:20.040 Gary's a Bible teacher.

01:26:21.200 Very good friend of mine.

01:26:22.580 And Gary had an encounter when he was a young man.

01:26:26.080 He was flying a Cessna.

01:26:27.760 And he was delivering this Cessna to, I think he was flying from, I believe he was flying from Lubbock to Dallas, I think is what the route was.

01:26:37.080 And without going to all the details, he had an encounter with, he had a malfunction in his airplane and he lost his, the electronics went out on him and he was in some serious trouble.

01:26:50.020 And, and again, without going into all the details, he had an encounter with a craft that appeared, a walnut shaped craft that appeared and on the horizon.

01:27:00.860 And then suddenly it was flying parallel to his craft, to his aircraft.

01:27:04.900 And these beings were emanating, they communicated with him in his cabin.

01:27:10.460 And it was kind of a humorous communication.

01:27:12.960 And long story short, they saved his life and delivered him to the airport.

01:27:19.920 He landed his plane.

01:27:21.300 And from that experience, he, it was because of that experience that he decided to become a Bible teacher and a pastor.

01:27:30.740 That was the catalyst that caused that to happen.

01:27:33.220 And he will tell you to this day, he will tell you, he believes that those were angels who saved his life.

01:27:38.260 Now, I believe that angels use this, that this tech, this advanced technology, that this technology comes from an angelic civilization, which we call the kingdom of heaven, that these beings use and wield technology, as I said in the beginning.

01:27:52.380 So, so just because you see some advanced technology and non-human beings in play, doesn't necessarily, doesn't necessarily mean that the beings are nefarious.

01:28:03.020 Technology has no allegiance.

01:28:05.680 A UFO can't, it can be no more evil than your truck, than your Ford truck, okay?

01:28:12.080 It's the beings that are piloting the craft.

01:28:14.540 And, and we can determine what, if they're nefarious based on their actions, and if they're counter to the gospel of Christ based on their messages, that's it.

01:28:25.900 So, I don't look at, like, the UFO phenomenon is demonic.

01:28:30.480 No, it's just technology.

01:28:32.120 I'm interested in the, in the, in what the beings who pilot these craft are doing and are saying.

01:28:38.520 That's what's important to, that's what's important to me.

01:28:41.080 I mean, that's how you determine whether or not these things are, are good or bad.

01:28:46.120 Even that wouldn't be necessarily a great, I mean, it's what we have.

01:28:50.720 We're limited in our ability to assess these things.

01:28:53.580 But even in the context of the Pleiadians who would save us from grace, that would surely seem like a good deed. 0.89

01:29:00.000 Until they claim to be Christ.

01:29:01.340 And many people would be deceived by that.

01:29:02.040 Until, until their leader claims to be Christ.

01:29:04.820 Right.

01:29:05.300 And, and directs worship to the enemy of God, to the dragon.

01:29:08.820 Yeah.

01:29:08.940 But surely there would be a number of things short of claiming to be Christ that could happen before we even get to that point.

01:29:16.900 So what?

01:29:17.420 Are angels real?

01:29:18.140 For example, when people get abducted, there's often an entire array of entities.

01:29:24.700 So the grays will be there.

01:29:25.800 The Pleiadians or the tall whites will be there. 0.99

01:29:28.480 Insectoids and things of that nature.

01:29:30.200 Um, but oftentimes the, uh, Pleiadians will be soothing and will come off as loving.

01:29:37.420 And they actually seem to have maybe technology or, or a psychic ability to, uh, generate within us a feeling of, of love and happiness and, and, you know, content.

01:29:48.400 Um.

01:29:48.800 Jake Barber comes to mind.

01:29:49.760 Which is, Jake Barber is another one.

01:29:51.800 Yeah.

01:29:52.020 Who was filled with this divine feminine spirit, uh, that seemed to be love, all encompassing love.

01:29:57.780 Um, while he's doing this UAP egg retrieval situation.

01:30:02.080 And so, um, our, I would say our assessment emotional or otherwise on this matter is, is not enough.

01:30:10.800 In fact, the Bible calls us to test the spirits, although you don't necessarily believe that this is spiritual.

01:30:17.240 You believe that these are physical entities.

01:30:18.720 It doesn't mean test the spirits like because they're wraiths, they're disembodied wraiths.

01:30:22.920 It means test what's being said, test the message that's being, that's being delivered.

01:30:28.920 That's what you test.

01:30:30.480 I mean, you don't, you don't, it's not like a nurse busters where you have some sort of a meter that tests to see if there's evil spirits around.

01:30:35.840 That it's the messaging that you have to evaluate based on the truth of the gospel of Christ.

01:30:40.880 That's what test the spirits means.

01:30:42.840 And in fact, it's, there's the, the, the, um, the new Testament specific that it's, it's, it's a question of allegiance.

01:30:49.360 Do you believe that the Jesus Christ come in the flesh, that he died on the cross, that he rise, is, is Jesus who he claims to be?

01:30:57.820 That's the test.

01:30:59.320 Um, not whether or not, you know, they're flying around on saucers or whatever, or making people feel good.

01:31:04.740 Who cares about any of that?

01:31:05.880 That's inconsequential to me.

01:31:07.300 Totally inconsequential.

01:31:08.780 Yes, it's true that there's just because beings look beautiful and present themselves.

01:31:14.220 This is, this is Satan presenting himself as an angel of light, as a messenger of light and truth and goodness.

01:31:20.480 Sure.

01:31:20.980 Of course that happens.

01:31:21.840 That's the, that's deception.

01:31:23.840 Uh, and it happens, uh, during abductions.

01:31:26.680 Now it is not actually uncommon.

01:31:28.500 I mean, rather, it is not common for abductees to encounter Nordics, the, the, the, the Pleiadians, uh, during abduction episodes.

01:31:37.760 It's actually uncommon.

01:31:39.340 It does happen sometimes, but it's actually quite uncommon.

01:31:41.980 Usually abductees only encounter the greys and the insectilids and the greys are, are most prominent.

01:31:49.000 And you have to understand if you're going to, if you're going to wade into the realm of alien abduction, abductees are physically abducted.

01:31:56.600 They're physically, they're, they're physically on.

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01:32:15.760 Uh, alien vessels, they're not having a DMT experience.

01:32:20.100 It's not sleep paralysis.

01:32:21.860 It's not a near-death experience.

01:32:23.880 They're literally taken and from their bed say, and then they find themselves laying on table, um, on an alien craft naked, sometimes with a lot of other abductees and the gray aliens, the, the, the beings that we call the grays with the large, um, bulbous heads and the, and the almond shaped eyes.

01:32:44.200 Who are usually diminutive in stature.

01:32:47.320 Those are the worker bees of this program.

01:32:49.260 They're probably like you, I would agree with your assessment of the grays that there's some sort of a biomechanical, um, uh, uh, some sort of a biomechanical construct, although they do seem to have their own personality. 1.00

01:33:01.420 So I wouldn't say that they're just artificial intelligence or something like that.

01:33:04.440 Most likely they're, they're, they're cybernetic clones, I think is the way I would describe them.

01:33:09.180 Um, and they're not in, they're not in charge of the operation.

01:33:12.500 The, the, the, the creatures that are in charge of the operation are altogether more exotic than the grays. 1.00

01:33:17.000 Those are the insectilines.

01:33:18.300 They are clearly the managers of the abduction, um, program.

01:33:22.300 Now, whether or not the, the, the Pleiadians are involved or, or if what people are seeing are human alien hybrids, who knows?

01:33:29.440 I don't know.

01:33:30.120 I mean, I do suspect that on some level, the Nordics are involved.

01:33:33.680 Any of this, right.

01:33:34.720 To say that it, it, it rarely happens or it happens often that the Pleiadians are present.

01:33:40.820 Oh, no.

01:33:41.520 Well, there's a, there's a, there's a, uh, voluminous data on alien abduction, voluminous.

01:33:47.160 It's scientific and it's conclusive.

01:33:49.700 We know.

01:33:50.740 Well, it's hard to say it's conclusive when only so many years ago, it was basically taboo and the laughingstock of the scientific community.

01:33:58.020 Well, what are you, what are you referencing here?

01:33:59.500 Have you familiarized yourself with the, with the material?

01:34:02.320 Yeah, actually.

01:34:03.060 I was actually speaking to Karen Wilkinson recently, who has a plethora of these experiences.

01:34:07.500 Okay, but that's one person.

01:34:08.760 I mean, there's, there's a lot of, uh, material that has been included over the decades.

01:34:11.620 Well, like you said, there is a huge, voluminous body of, um, abductee victims out there, uh, who are sharing all these experiences.

01:34:20.160 Conclusive data related to the abduction phenomenon.

01:34:23.760 Like, we know what alien abduction is.

01:34:25.060 How does one achieve conclusive data in this phenomenon?

01:34:27.240 Is conclusive data like government-approved data?

01:34:30.040 Yeah, I don't care about government-approved data.

01:34:31.600 I'm talking about data that corresponds to reality as it pertains to the phenomenon and the testimony of millions of abductees.

01:34:38.900 So, the, the data comes from, um, competent abduction researchers, especially those of the past.

01:34:47.180 You know, it began, a lot of this began with John, Dr. John Mack, whose conclusions I disagree with.

01:34:51.480 He was, he was approaching this whole thing from a psychological perspective, but he kind of laid a foundation for abduction research and he did some good work.

01:34:58.080 But then you have people like Bud Hopkins, who was an excellent abduction researcher.

01:35:03.300 You had Dr. Carla Turner, who was herself an abductee and her family, did phenomenal research into the topic.

01:35:09.720 And then, of course, Dr. David Jacobs, among others.

01:35:12.360 And the data is conclusive.

01:35:13.880 And when you, when you take the body of data, and by the way, I talk to abductees all the time who come to me, most of whom are Christians, by the way, who come to me, and all of their experiences are consistent.

01:35:26.020 Everything I'm told is completely consistent with the data.

01:35:30.040 Now, the abduction is a field of ufology.

01:35:33.880 This is the field where you have the most evidence, by far.

01:35:37.680 Abductees are physically missing when they're abducted.

01:35:40.560 Their family members are sometimes frantically are looking for them.

01:35:44.640 Police have been called.

01:35:45.860 Search teams have been dispatched to try and find these people.

01:35:48.980 So abductees are physically missing from the point of abduction.

01:35:52.760 When they go up on an issue.

01:35:54.480 What's that?

01:35:55.440 But not every time.

01:35:56.520 Some people have all of the exact same experiences, but never actually seem to have left their physical surroundings.

01:36:01.460 Then that's not an alien abduction.

01:36:02.520 Abduction, that's not an abduction. 0.99

01:36:03.640 So it has all the exact same elements, minus.

01:36:06.740 Who cares?

01:36:07.240 You could have a dream about alien abduction and never have been abducted.

01:36:10.360 Well, if you don't believe in the spiritual realm, then, yeah, who cares?

01:36:13.560 No, no, no, no.

01:36:14.180 Look, look, alien abduction is not a spiritual experience.

01:36:18.720 It's a physical experience.

01:36:20.300 Women are abducted, for example. 0.99

01:36:21.620 They're laid out on the tables.

01:36:23.200 They have all kinds of gynecological procedures done.

01:36:27.840 They have, their eggs are extracted.

01:36:29.520 They're, they're, there's some sort of exotic component added to the egg in vitro.

01:36:36.520 Then that zygote, that hybrid zygote is implanted into their womb. 0.98

01:36:40.200 Even if the woman doesn't have a womb, there's an extra uteral implantation. 1.00

01:36:43.580 Then the women are brought back. 0.96

01:36:45.060 And these, the fetus develops in their womb and they're, they're re-abducted before they

01:36:50.560 start to show sometime around the three month period or before the three month period, they're

01:36:54.880 taken back onto the ship.

01:36:56.460 Now the fetus is extracted and put into a gestation tank to, to, to complete its development.

01:37:00.980 This is how women in the abduction program are used continually. 0.99

01:37:04.100 And it doesn't even matter if the woman can't have babies in the real life, if she can't, 1.00

01:37:08.820 if she's, if she's, if she can't get pregnant, the, the grace can still impregnate her. 1.00

01:37:13.160 She still carries the fetus and it's still extracted before she shows. 0.95

01:37:16.820 Sometimes women are abducted and they have fetuses implanted or rather zygotes implanted. 1.00

01:37:23.060 Fetuses grow in their wombs. 0.98

01:37:24.360 These women are virgins. 1.00

01:37:25.320 They've never had sex and they go to their gynecologist and the gynecologist says, well,

01:37:30.680 you're pregnant and they don't believe them. 0.99

01:37:32.240 They think that they're lying, that they, that they didn't have sexual intercourse.

01:37:35.440 And then the women sometimes contemplate an abortion and the grays know they come, they 1.00

01:37:41.000 re-abduct her and they extract the fetus.

01:37:43.120 This happens routinely, routinely men are abducted and their sperm is taken and very, and it's

01:37:48.680 not just that eggs are taken from them and a sperm is taken from them.

01:37:51.780 There's all kinds of things that happen.

01:37:53.020 Men and women are, are made to have sexual intercourse on board the craft often. 0.78

01:37:58.440 This is why so many abductees don't come forward with their stories because you can imagine

01:38:03.540 if you're married, happily married, and you're holding this secret that, you know, you had

01:38:08.580 sex with another woman on a, on a alien vessel, although it was not intentional, although it

01:38:14.580 was against your will, that's a very sensitive topic.

01:38:17.360 And besides that, abductees are implanted with screen memories.

01:38:21.140 Very few abductees have conscious recall of the events of the abduction episode.

01:38:26.500 Rather, when they try to remember, they're presented with false memories called screen

01:38:30.600 memories, which are implanted into their brains during the abduction episode.

01:38:35.480 And this is what's called, this is what abduction researchers refer to as mind scan or, or Dr.

01:38:41.780 Jacobs calls it neural engagement in which the grays or the insectilins put their face,

01:38:46.180 like basically touching the abductees face and they look into their eyes and they implant

01:38:51.040 memories and they conceal the real memories of the, of the event behind a firewall, a firewall.

01:38:58.980 This feels very similar to the, you know, sons of God coming into the daughters of man, making 0.93

01:39:04.600 a hybridization program.

01:39:05.620 But if you are looking at the events in the Bible as, um, symbolic and not actually a physical

01:39:13.920 event that takes place, nobody's actually seeing these things.

01:39:17.360 Well, in the, let's frame it in the way that we talked about at the top of the show, when

01:39:21.560 we're talking about angelic beings and things of that nature.

01:39:24.600 Um, and then this is exclusively a physical phenomenon.

01:39:30.400 Well, so was that.

01:39:31.200 I can see why there is, uh, uh, basically a disagreement between us, because I would say

01:39:36.200 that these things, both in, in the biblical sense and in the modern day alien abduction

01:39:41.640 sense, um, are spiritual and are physical and are reiterations.

01:39:46.540 This is a repackaging of the same thing that happened all those ages ago.

01:39:51.480 So you just, you just said nothing, our physical, our spiritual, a lot of what you did here.

01:39:56.760 I mean, no, no, listen.

01:39:58.140 So, so the watchers descending to the earth and copulating with human women, that's all 0.99

01:40:01.620 physical.

01:40:02.080 That's not some spiritual thing.

01:40:03.340 That's a physical thing.

01:40:04.700 By the way, the first cause of the watchers sin of the watchers rebellion was lust.

01:40:12.780 According to the book of Enoch and also Genesis six, they lusted after the daughters of men.

01:40:18.680 That's a physical impulse.

01:40:20.020 Now you, you, if you're, how do you explain lust without, without the biological equipment?

01:40:26.420 I mean, you, how could, how does it, how does an ethereal spiritual being lust after

01:40:31.720 a physical woman? 0.54

01:40:33.380 They lusted and then they descended to the earth.

01:40:36.740 They took wives and they copulated. 0.69

01:40:39.040 They had sexual intercourse with these women. 0.74

01:40:41.380 I'm not saying that this is spiritual or symbolic.

01:40:44.580 That's a matter of history.

01:40:45.740 It was a matter of history to the Jews that they, and within the historical narrative of

01:40:52.140 the ancient Hebrews, that was a historical fact that that happened.

01:40:56.840 I would never say that that was symbolic.

01:40:58.420 Absolutely not.

01:40:59.400 That's not something that happened within the context of a perceptual experience of a, of

01:41:04.040 a, of a dream or, or, or trance.

01:41:06.360 That's, that's something that actually, let me pose a question to get us back on track.

01:41:10.100 Would that also, sorry.

01:41:11.260 Would that also be historical fact across like mythologies, pantheons, Greek culture, things

01:41:15.780 like that.

01:41:16.120 But then they're also creating demigods, weird demigod, hybrid, kind of like creatures.

01:41:20.700 That's fake.

01:41:22.640 Or symbolic.

01:41:23.640 That's fake.

01:41:24.580 No, no, no, no.

01:41:25.100 So, so the, the, the, there's a common root, right?

01:41:30.700 So there's, there's a, there's a, a, a foundational story that has given rise to all of a lot of

01:41:36.620 mythology with these, among these other cultures, but the, the, the fundamental principles of

01:41:43.760 this common story are there that the gods descended to the earth, that they cohabited

01:41:48.420 with, with human beings.

01:41:49.460 They copulated with human women and they progenerated a race of hybrid demigods. 0.97

01:41:54.960 That's a historical narrative across the board.

01:41:57.380 Now, various cultures interpret this in various ways.

01:42:00.880 The Hebrews are really, they, the, the Hebrews are really the only ones who view this as negative

01:42:06.320 as, that this was a dystopia, dystopian nightmare, that the gods who descended to the earth were

01:42:13.460 in rebellion against, against the most high God, that the knowledge that they distributed

01:42:19.600 to the human beings corrupted the human race and led to the, the cataclysm of the flood. 0.95

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01:42:41.200 Now, in the other cultures, they, they have, they, they have the inverse because they're, 0.97

01:42:45.420 they're Luciferian.

01:42:46.280 They're coming from a Luciferian theological perspective in which, in which the gods that

01:42:51.320 descended were the good guys and that the, that they, they gave mankind, they gave this

01:42:58.700 forbidden knowledge to mankind because they were benefactors of mankind.

01:43:02.600 And they, they are the ones that, and if you go, I mean, if you mix this in with ancient

01:43:07.680 astronaut theory, uh, then these gods created us and so forth.

01:43:12.220 So, so that's, that's a very anti-biblical perspective, which the pagan nations had.

01:43:16.940 So I don't really care what they say in their mythologies.

01:43:19.800 If you're coming at this from a biblical perspective, then we're talking about the, the, the, the, the,

01:43:26.020 uh, the cosmological historical narrative of the Hebrews, which casts these gods as insubordinate

01:43:34.660 sons, sons of God, i.e.

01:43:37.400 watchers who descended to the earth and physically engaged with human women, physically copulated

01:43:43.340 with human women.

01:43:43.860 So there's nothing symbolic here at all.

01:43:45.460 This isn't in the context of, of a prophetic perceptual experience.

01:43:51.380 This is history.

01:43:52.760 And in the same way that the alien abduction is not in the context of a, of a perceptual

01:43:59.040 experience, it's not, it's not a near-death experience.

01:44:01.480 It's not sleep paralysis.

01:44:03.380 It's not, uh, out of, an out-of-body experience.

01:44:06.380 It is in the same way, extremely, utterly physical.

01:44:11.900 Everything about it is physical.

01:44:13.360 Now, now you, there are some perceptual elements, again, false memories that are implanted into

01:44:18.360 your brain.

01:44:19.340 So abductees that can have some conscious recall of an abduction event often remember are often

01:44:26.580 recalling false memories.

01:44:27.900 And so you have all, all manner of wacky things in there, all kinds of like, um, based on their

01:44:33.220 background, much like a near-death experience based on their cultural or religious background,

01:44:37.660 you know, they'll say that, oh, I was, I, these beautiful beings showed up in my room.

01:44:42.720 They were beings of light and, and they were, and they were giving me a message about, you

01:44:48.640 know, how, um, how I need to reach a higher spiritual vibration or some, something like

01:44:55.020 that.

01:44:55.260 If you're, if you're coming from the new age, when in reality, what actually happened was

01:44:59.260 gray aliens showed up and abducted that person.

01:45:01.180 And they were subjected to the, to the typical procedures on board, the alien vessel.

01:45:06.400 That's the abduction phenomenon.

01:45:08.180 It is utterly physical.

01:45:10.280 What do you think about the notion?

01:45:13.080 If someone were to say, um, the alien phenomenon and its hybridization elements is the same

01:45:20.140 thing and is a, as a rebranding, a long form deception, mixing up, let's say the characters,

01:45:27.000 the visage, things of that nature.

01:45:29.340 Um, but is at its core, the exact same thing.

01:45:32.400 I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

01:45:33.920 By the same, the same perpetrators.

01:45:36.860 Um, I wouldn't necessarily agree with that.

01:45:39.240 Although I don't believe that the watchers are gray aliens.

01:45:43.240 Uh, and I don't believe that the insectulines are gray aliens.

01:45:45.460 Now, are there, are there, let's say you have the, the insectulines who are clearly managing

01:45:50.480 the program.

01:45:51.980 And for those who don't know the difference.

01:45:53.940 What makes you say that they're clearly managing the program?

01:45:55.660 I'm just curious.

01:45:56.360 Based on the, based, based on the, the abduction material, the insectulines are, um, they're

01:46:02.240 the ones in charge on board the craft.

01:46:04.380 They have the clipboards.

01:46:05.640 Ah, oh no, they have the capes literally.

01:46:09.140 They wear capes.

01:46:10.080 I didn't know they were capes with high collars.

01:46:12.880 And, and, and they are the managers of the program.

01:46:15.940 They're clearly in charge.

01:46:17.380 I think they manufacture the grays, the little grays. 0.99

01:46:20.480 Um, so there, and I would, and I would describe them as the organic biological species, the

01:46:25.860 insectulines.

01:46:27.360 Um, now, and these are the mantid beings that, you know, insectulin is.

01:46:32.600 Is a, is a term that was, uh, that was created by Dr. David Jacobs.

01:46:39.260 Um, now, is it possible that above the insectulines that the architects of this entire thing are

01:46:46.220 quote unquote fallen angels?

01:46:48.440 Okay.

01:46:49.060 I got no problem with that.

01:46:50.440 That's a distinct possibility.

01:46:52.140 That's a distinct possibility.

01:46:53.540 Now that doesn't mean that the gray aliens are demons.

01:46:57.260 They're not disembodied spirits of dead giants.

01:46:59.780 And I don't believe they're meat suits, by the way.

01:47:02.200 Um, for many reasons, uh, it doesn't make any logical sense that the grays are meat

01:47:06.780 suits.

01:47:07.240 Look, not everything has to be a fallen angel, uh, an angel, a fallen angel or a demon.

01:47:14.060 Okay.

01:47:14.540 That's, that's, that's not the only things that exist in the universe.

01:47:18.580 God doesn't have to tell us about everything that exists.

01:47:21.060 He is under no obligation to tell us anything at all.

01:47:23.280 Actually.

01:47:24.180 Would you say that the categories could be, um, twofold or is there a third meaning in alignment

01:47:31.060 with God in opposition to God, or is there a neutral in all this?

01:47:35.860 And can it be neutral on the, on the topic of God?

01:47:38.760 That's a really good question.

01:47:40.720 Uh, the Bible seems to suggest that there are neutral factions.

01:47:44.920 Um, the, there was a, there's a verse and I'm trying to remember where it is, where,

01:47:49.960 where, uh, Miros is invoked and, and, and, and, and curse Miros and the, and the inhabitants

01:47:58.460 thereof because they did not come to aid the Lord, to aid the Lord against the mighty.

01:48:05.260 Okay.

01:48:06.660 So this sounds like a, like a Switzerland faction.

01:48:09.100 That's kind of like, nah, we're not going to get involved here.

01:48:12.260 And, and, and who is the Lord being aided?

01:48:14.500 Why does the Lord need aid against the mighty?

01:48:16.940 So I think that this is invoking a, a war, a conflict that took place in a pre-Adamic context.

01:48:24.000 Of course, I go through all of this in my book, Birthright.

01:48:26.640 And that, um, it was factional.

01:48:29.540 There were factions.

01:48:30.300 There was obviously the, the great rebel, the dragon who, uh, who, who engaged in an

01:48:38.680 insurrection against the King of heaven and the kingdom of heaven.

01:48:41.720 And he drew into his rebellion, other actors who, who aligned themselves with him against

01:48:48.280 the kingdom of heaven.

01:48:49.140 They were the minority, but there was a, a massive conflict.

01:48:52.200 I think that, that, that conflict led to the obliteration of a planet called Rahab in 1.00

01:48:57.540 the Bible.

01:48:58.640 And that, um, and that this, again, this reference to Miros, and by the way, this is what, um,

01:49:04.700 some, uh, some Jewish commentators believe as well.

01:49:07.280 Not that I really care what Jewish commentators think, but I find it interesting.

01:49:11.020 Some Jewish commentators believe that Miros was a planet and it was inhabited.

01:49:16.160 Interestingly enough, uh, I'm trying to remember the, the specific, uh, ancient Jewish writing

01:49:21.760 where they say this, um, it's in my book.

01:49:24.760 Interestingly enough, they believe that Miros was inhabited by beings of, of intellects

01:49:30.640 who were scientific, who were profoundly intellectual, but they didn't have like human

01:49:36.540 empathy.

01:49:38.240 They weren't like us. 0.65

01:49:39.960 Well, that sounds like gray aliens to me, but, um, I don't know if that's the case, but

01:49:44.500 yeah, it's certainly possible that there are all kinds of factions out there in the universe.

01:49:50.940 And the question is in regard to people say, well, how does that fit into the Bible?

01:49:54.660 Well, it's very simple.

01:49:55.400 It's allegiance.

01:49:57.300 What is your, what is your allegiance to the kingdom of heaven?

01:50:00.360 Are you for the King?

01:50:01.600 Are you against him?

01:50:02.780 That's what it boils down to.

01:50:04.300 It's, it's allegiance.

01:50:05.320 Everything is allegiance.

01:50:06.480 That's what it was to the ancient Israelites.

01:50:08.400 Well, doesn't he just say, whoever is not with me or not for me is against me.

01:50:13.340 That's why they say, so then in that way, then there's only two, well, I mean, there's

01:50:17.080 perhaps factions who think they're neutral or attempting to act neutrally, but that's

01:50:22.820 why, that's why the Lord says, curse ye, curse ye Miros and the inhabitants thereof. 1.00

01:50:29.360 So, um, yeah, I think that that's very factional.

01:50:33.900 I think this, this thing is way bigger than we can even comprehend.

01:50:36.780 We're not told everything.

01:50:37.980 We're a little, we're like, we're like dumb, dumb children over here.

01:50:41.700 We can't hardly comprehend the things that have been told to us.

01:50:45.200 That's why Jesus spoke to us like little children in parables, which are, by the way, um, parables

01:50:53.140 are a form of allegory.

01:50:54.720 That's how the son of God spoke to us.

01:50:56.300 When he walked among us, he treated us like little children, ignorant.

01:51:00.760 God does not tell us everything.

01:51:02.400 He had, he's under no obligation to tell you anything about anything, but he has conveyed

01:51:07.700 to us the gospel of his son.

01:51:10.040 And, and we have enough information to know how to please God, who he is, what he expects

01:51:17.140 of us, and to comport ourselves in a way that honors him and to be loyal to him and his kingdom.

01:51:23.560 We have enough information for that for sure from the Bible, but it doesn't tell us everything.

01:51:27.540 The Bible, we have a kind of being, you can call it a being, I'm not sure that that would

01:51:33.960 be the right term for it, that is living with us right now, unquestionably, this is,

01:51:39.020 this is a matter of fact, okay, that is co-inhabiting the earth with us right now, that the Bible

01:51:45.360 says nothing about absolutely nothing, okay?

01:51:50.740 And that, and I'm going to use the word being, even though it's not technically correct, what

01:51:55.380 I'm referencing here are advanced robotics with artificial intelligence, right?

01:52:01.800 Correct?

01:52:02.640 We are living in a time when we have advanced robotics, and I'm talking about, you guys

01:52:06.640 have seen the Tesla robot and the robots that are much more advanced than Tesla.

01:52:10.460 Some of the ones that are being developed, for example, by Boston Dynamics, absolutely

01:52:14.620 mind-blowing how advanced these robots are.

01:52:17.100 A lot of them are humanoid, right?

01:52:18.320 So you have the physical hardware of like a humanoid, right?

01:52:26.460 And then you have the software, the consciousness, maybe we can call it, even though I don't think

01:52:32.760 it's consciousness, but by way of analogy here, a consciousness in the form of artificial intelligence,

01:52:41.860 walking among us right now, right?

01:52:45.060 This is fact.

01:52:46.600 The Bible says exactly nothing about this reality.

01:52:52.680 Zero.

01:52:54.000 Nothing.

01:52:54.920 Doesn't predict it.

01:52:56.220 Doesn't allude to it.

01:52:57.280 Now, you could say, oh, there's this amorphous text here that might mean, you know, knowledge

01:53:00.700 will increase and so forth.

01:53:02.540 Sure.

01:53:03.120 But what I'm trying to illustrate here is we have this robotic artificial intelligence.

01:53:09.700 There's nothing to indicate in the scriptures that this reality would-

01:53:15.320 Well, some would say that the passage in Revelation where men want to die, they seek death and 0.93

01:53:19.300 they can't die, that that's alluding to-

01:53:21.400 Sure, that's an amorphous reference to something that we can speculate about.

01:53:25.660 I personally think that that's because of the post-human condition, transhumanism, and

01:53:30.780 that there's some sort of a biological, a cybernetic component there, or genetic component

01:53:36.660 that makes it very difficult for people to die in the future.

01:53:38.960 That's speculation.

01:53:39.620 I might be right.

01:53:40.380 I might be wrong about that.

01:53:41.840 But there's nothing different.

01:53:42.800 I think that what we're talking about here, it's a completely different conversation.

01:53:47.800 But since you reject the spiritual realm, I think these things go hand in hand.

01:53:51.320 And you had asked earlier in the episode, what do I think about the internet realm?

01:53:55.600 And it's like, I don't know, it's kind of like a different way to get into this weird

01:53:59.480 spiritual realm.

01:54:00.120 It exists on electricity, electrical synapses.

01:54:03.160 It exists on physical properties that we can manipulate here.

01:54:06.840 And I think that you can do that to get into different realms.

01:54:09.000 The same way you can hijack a brain with DMT, with different neurological conditions.

01:54:14.780 I think they're just different ways to peel the same apple.

01:54:18.020 Yeah, we're just porcing over words.

01:54:19.420 I mean, there's another realm that has physicality.

01:54:22.180 That doesn't mean it's not spiritual because it has physicality.

01:54:25.600 Yeah, when I look at it.

01:54:26.780 Well, hold on now.

01:54:27.480 That's a good point.

01:54:28.120 What is spiritual then?

01:54:30.140 I'd say it's the realm for one that God lives in, right?

01:54:32.680 Like where God's at.

01:54:34.080 Well, God is at the right hand.

01:54:35.300 According to Jesus, God is spirit.

01:54:36.700 I think it's spiritual.

01:54:37.640 Yeah, spiritual is like kind of like this unseen realm that we're going around.

01:54:42.040 But that's what we would say in that 2 Kings 6 passage, right, that I talked about a little

01:54:46.000 bit earlier.

01:54:46.520 It's like Elisha's servant goes out.

01:54:48.480 He's physically there.

01:54:49.600 It looks like he's taking a piss, whatever.

01:54:51.100 It's early in the morning.

01:54:51.940 He's on an expedition, kind of like you in Peru.

01:54:54.340 But now he's covered by the Syrian camp, right?

01:54:56.640 And he says, my master, what's going on, man?

01:54:58.260 We're surrounded by this army.

01:54:59.920 And then Elisha says, no, no, bro.

01:55:01.120 Don't even sweat it because there's more that are with us than are there with them.

01:55:04.760 He prayed that his eyes would be opened.

01:55:12.000 Amen.

01:55:12.480 Not that something we have.

01:55:14.820 And then he saw the chariots of God surrounding the enemies, right?

01:55:19.320 So we have a problem.

01:55:21.980 I refer to this perceptual cataracts because it's that's precisely what Paul describes when

01:55:27.420 he says that we see in a mirror dimly or we see through a glass dimly.

01:55:31.180 This is perceptual cataracts.

01:55:34.020 So there's more to the created order than we can perceive.

01:55:39.940 Let's put it in these terms.

01:55:41.780 I subscribe to the hyperspatial theory of the universe.

01:55:45.880 The hyperspatial theory of the universe posits that there are more dimensions than the three

01:55:51.400 that are directly accessible to us, albeit very, very tiny dimensions.

01:55:55.540 We're talking like subatomic dimensions that are not accessible to us, but nevertheless

01:55:59.460 could be perceivable by us if we had the ability to perceive them.

01:56:04.180 Now, we can perceive them to some extent with technology, right?

01:56:07.380 And we probably will increasingly as we move into the future, be able to perceive these

01:56:11.160 additional dimensions to the universe.

01:56:14.440 Now, these dimensions that I'm talking about in the hyperspatial universe are not other realms.

01:56:19.060 They're not like it's not multiverse.

01:56:20.780 These are other universes.

01:56:22.200 These are another dimensional worlds.

01:56:24.160 These are simply additional directional dimensions of our universe that are inaccessible to us

01:56:32.700 and imperceivable by us.

01:56:35.080 However, I would contend that Adam, that mankind, in our original condition, that we could perceive

01:56:43.840 the dimensional totality of created order.

01:56:47.900 We could perceive it.

01:56:48.760 For example, we right now, we can't see an infrared, right?

01:56:52.020 But we know that the infrared spectrum band exists on the spectrum.

01:56:56.140 It's just not within that narrow window that we can actually see with our eyeballs, right?

01:57:01.740 But it's still there.

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01:57:17.980 Now, that is in a different dimension.

01:57:20.080 That's just an aspect.

01:57:20.600 But what most of us refer to as the spirit realm, you refer to as hyperspatial then, is really what we're getting at.

01:57:25.460 No, not necessarily.

01:57:26.540 So the problem is that you guys can't define what you mean by spirit.

01:57:31.100 So do the people in this, what do the people in the spirit realm do?

01:57:36.700 Well, there's a lot going on.

01:57:38.580 What does the Holy Spirit do?

01:57:40.260 Do they drink?

01:57:41.420 Yeah.

01:57:41.720 I mean, they show up in the natural realm too.

01:57:43.500 Like to your point, maybe they're there all along, but then we have the ability to see them.

01:57:47.800 They show up with God at Sodom and Gomorrah. 0.76

01:57:49.660 There's these angels that come along with them.

01:57:51.560 They're eating.

01:57:52.220 They're drinking.

01:57:52.940 They show up.

01:57:53.340 They hang out with Abraham.

01:57:54.880 I mean, there's a lot of things in that spirit realm that you're invoking.

01:57:57.960 Do they do those things?

01:57:58.640 I don't see why they wouldn't.

01:57:59.500 I think there's physicality in the spirit realm.

01:58:01.080 That's great.

01:58:01.580 I'm glad you're saying that.

01:58:02.420 Okay.

01:58:02.660 So what is the difference between that spiritual realm that you're talking about and just the universe that we inhabit?

01:58:09.620 Access, right?

01:58:10.560 Like who's there, who's not?

01:58:11.880 I mean, it's just an access thing.

01:58:14.600 But, okay.

01:58:15.640 So why couldn't what you're describing just be another place within our universe?

01:58:19.640 I don't see why I can't.

01:58:21.380 Okay.

01:58:21.840 Good.

01:58:22.260 I'm glad you said that.

01:58:23.340 So that would make it, okay, let's be a little bit more specific, okay?

01:58:27.780 People get uncomfortable when we do.

01:58:29.080 I mean, it's there, right?

01:58:30.360 In the 2 Kings 6, it's there.

01:58:32.220 It's just now he can see it.

01:58:33.960 Yes, but what I was trying to illustrate is that's a perceptual problem.

01:58:39.140 Elijah prayed that his servant's eyes would be opened.

01:58:41.340 In other words, they're there, we just don't have the ability to perceive the totality of created order.

01:58:48.820 And I would concede, I subscribe to the hyperspatial theory of the universe in that there are facets of the universe that are all around us but are inaccessible to us.

01:58:58.880 Nevertheless, they are facets of this universe, of this realm, of this universe.

01:59:06.440 So I think that the kingdom of God has locality.

01:59:10.180 I think it's probably at the very center of the universe.

01:59:13.340 Everything that we do here on earth, they do there.

01:59:16.880 They eat, they drink, they make music.

01:59:19.040 There's cities, there's walls, there's technology.

01:59:23.340 In fact, what we have comes from there.

01:59:27.360 We didn't invent civilization.

01:59:28.760 We inherited it.

01:59:30.500 And so there's a lot of confusion when the word spiritual is invoked in any kind of a conversation because what people automatically think is disembodied.

01:59:40.500 This is a disembodied realm, like an ethereal disembodied realm, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever because there's no difference scripturally between that realm, that quote-unquote realm, and this one.

01:59:54.200 Rather, what appears to be the reality is that there's other places in our universe where these beings come from, okay?

02:00:06.020 So it's an extraterrestrial reality as much as it would ever be an extra-dimensional reality.

02:00:12.000 And when people invoke extra dimensions, the problem that I have with this is that you guys understand that there are, first of all, there is no proof, there really is no scientific, even though I subscribe to hyperspatial theory of the universe, there's no scientific proof that there are any higher dimensions or anything like that.

02:00:34.520 We still don't have any ironclad proof.

02:00:36.420 What we have are, you know, dozens, not just a few, dozens of disparate scientific theories that differ one from another incorporating the idea of extra dimensions.

02:00:51.340 There is no unified theory of extra dimensions.

02:00:55.400 There are, there's the alternative worlds theory.

02:00:59.580 There's the hyperspatial theory.

02:01:02.400 There's multiverse.

02:01:03.780 You know, there's a suite of different theories, and they're all different.

02:01:07.140 But what we do, all of us collectively, what we do when we invoke extra dimensions and spiritual realms, what we're doing is we are, and I do this too, we are unconsciously referencing pop culture.

02:01:20.420 We're referencing our ideas of the spiritual realm or of the, or of the, of an extra-dimensional realm or inter-dimensional beings.

02:01:29.040 But you just started, you started this show referencing pop culture, so that's a little bit disingenuous, like, well, those are good examples, Lord of the Rings.

02:01:36.200 Well, I mean, I think Stranger Things is a, is a good example of people possibly channeling and telling you the truth.

02:01:40.940 So, but can I just, can I just ask this then, so like, when Paul goes to the third heaven, like, how, how do you describe that then?

02:01:47.120 Like, what, like, what's he doing?

02:01:48.340 What is that?

02:01:48.900 He said he doesn't know if it was in the body or out of body.

02:01:51.160 I don't think he went anywhere.

02:01:51.880 No one ever went anywhere, ever.

02:01:54.580 Even Enoch, if you read the book of Enoch, didn't go anywhere.

02:01:58.120 Contrary to popular belief, he was taken, but he was taken somewhere else on the earth, and his activity, the book of Enoch says, was with the watchers being the intermediary between the good watchers in heaven, the holy watchers, and the apostate watchers on earth.

02:02:12.820 So Jesus' ascension in Acts 1?

02:02:15.040 Jesus says, I'm glad you brought up Jesus.

02:02:17.100 Yeah, Jesus is different, okay?

02:02:18.640 Jesus is completely different.

02:02:19.940 He's the son of God.

02:02:20.600 He descended from heaven.

02:02:22.300 Jesus said that no man has ascended or descended from heaven save the son of man, okay?

02:02:27.480 So Jesus is the one who descended from heaven, and Jesus said that no man has seen the Father at any time, by the way.

02:02:36.080 So, yes, heaven is a place.

02:02:40.460 I think it's a physical place.

02:02:42.340 Yes, Jesus is there.

02:02:44.560 He went there, okay?

02:02:46.100 That's where we are going, by the way.

02:02:47.720 It's not about heaven.

02:02:48.360 It's about the Father's house more than anything.

02:02:50.300 That's where the Father's house is.

02:02:51.960 That's where we began.

02:02:53.300 Adam was the son of God in the family of God.

02:02:56.380 That's another conversation, the Garden of Eden, heaven, paradise, all synonymous terms in the Bible.

02:03:01.460 So what I'm saying is, in reference to pop culture, so I said we all do it, okay?

02:03:08.440 But our reference is primarily from pop culture.

02:03:11.940 So what we're doing is we're taking the Marvel Universe, the MCU.

02:03:17.440 We're taking sort of the Lord of the Rings Middle-earth ideas, although that's kind of different because Lord of the Rings doesn't invoke dimensional stuff.

02:03:25.420 The Chronicles of Narnia does.

02:03:27.720 And we're taking Stranger Things, and we're taking all these different pop culture tropes, and we're blending them together.

02:03:34.720 And we're saying there's interdimensional beings that are coming from a different dimensional world into ours, and they're manifesting or whatever differently, and then they go back into their other dimensional world.

02:03:46.000 But what we've done and what we do so often is we take all these disparate scientific ideas, and we throw them into a blender, and it's very, very confusing.

02:03:56.680 Again, the problem is we have to be defining terms.

02:04:00.240 So what specifically, and I'm not saying, because naturally I know this is what people are thinking.

02:04:04.920 Well, angels are interdimensional.

02:04:07.580 Aliens are interdimensional.

02:04:09.080 That's surely what so many people are thinking.

02:04:10.520 That's the primary contention that I hear, even more so than aliens or demons.

02:04:14.900 They're interdimensional.

02:04:16.000 Now, maybe, I don't know.

02:04:17.260 I'm not here to say they're – I don't have any proof that they're not.

02:04:20.480 But when people invoke that kind of terminology, I insist that they define what they mean.

02:04:27.340 Which scientific theory are you invoking?

02:04:30.680 Okay, let's be specific here.

02:04:32.940 If you're invoking a multiverse construct, which is what most people do, in fact, most Christians, they're invoking a multiverse.

02:04:41.140 And multiverse comes – multiverse is prominent in, like, the Marvel movies, right?

02:04:46.000 So there's, like, a different universe in which there's – actually, in multiverse, there's different versions of you.

02:04:53.000 There's different versions of Spider-Man.

02:04:54.600 There's different versions of Captain America, right?

02:04:56.700 I disagree with that, but –

02:04:57.900 Yeah, and we actually talk against that pretty commonly on the show, not because I disagree with, you know, the way that quantum physics has alluded to it in one theoretical way or another, more so the fact that Hollywood, which tends to be this massive propaganda machine, has been feeding us that for the last few decades in a huge way.

02:05:17.720 And I would agree with you.

02:05:18.720 It's bled into the cultural zeitgeist in such a way that, yeah, people use it interchangeably.

02:05:23.140 I'm very cautious of rebranding terminology.

02:05:25.680 I just want to ask Timothy Albino, though.

02:05:27.640 I'm not – I don't care about the multiverse and the Avengers and the Rings movie.

02:05:32.040 I'm not even asking that.

02:05:33.160 I'm just saying, like, we know Jesus went away at the ascension.

02:05:35.780 And I'm curious.

02:05:36.320 I want to know Timothy Albino's view on it.

02:05:38.320 You guys know.

02:05:38.960 You guys make fun of me because I've been a fan of him for a long time.

02:05:41.480 Me too.

02:05:42.440 What is that place where Jesus goes?

02:05:44.460 Is it another planet?

02:05:45.460 Like, I think Phineas Dake used to say it was another planet.

02:05:48.040 Like, the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven is actually another planet.

02:05:51.480 Is that what you're alluding to or, like, what exactly is it?

02:05:53.540 I don't know exactly what the kingdom of heaven is, but I do believe it's in the physical universe.

02:05:57.860 And that's where Jesus went.

02:06:00.280 In a physical universe in the sense that if we had the technology, we could travel to it?

02:06:05.800 Like the Tower of Babel kind of thing?

02:06:07.380 Yes.

02:06:08.080 I believe that – that's what I mean when I say that.

02:06:10.020 I believe that the kingdom of heaven has locality.

02:06:12.180 And then when it shows up here and it's in the mountains and it got here, it physically got here.

02:06:18.940 It wasn't just kind of there in the mist, in the spirit realm.

02:06:21.820 It physically got here, and then Elisha's servant's eyes were open where he could actually see it.

02:06:26.500 But there was physicality that they came from somewhere to be there in those mountains.

02:06:30.700 Yes.

02:06:31.160 Yes.

02:06:31.520 The watchers came to the earth.

02:06:33.540 They descended to the summit of Hermon from somewhere else.

02:06:37.560 Now, you can quibble and you can say, well, it's not somewhere in the universe.

02:06:43.300 Okay.

02:06:43.700 Well, where is it?

02:06:44.520 Well, they come from a spiritual realm.

02:06:46.860 Okay.

02:06:47.200 So it's an extraterrestrial spiritual realm.

02:06:50.860 All right.

02:06:51.520 But they're physical beings.

02:06:53.020 Yes.

02:06:53.340 But they come from a spiritual realm.

02:06:55.200 That doesn't make any sense to me.

02:06:56.240 It literally means nothing to me.

02:06:57.740 Okay.

02:06:58.240 Well, they come from another dimension.

02:07:00.180 Okay.

02:07:00.800 So it's an extra-dimensional, extraterrestrial, extra-dimensional world.

02:07:07.140 Okay.

02:07:08.160 What makes it different from our universe?

02:07:10.720 Are we talking multiverse?

02:07:12.300 Are they coming from a different universe that has different scientific properties?

02:07:15.920 In other words, the laws of nature are different where they come from.

02:07:19.780 But, see, that doesn't make any sense because if they're coming here, let's be specific to aliens here.

02:07:24.460 If aliens are coming here from a different universe with different physical properties, their technology wouldn't make any sense to us.

02:07:33.380 They wouldn't have – their anatomy wouldn't make any sense to us.

02:07:37.460 Their technology, when it crashes, and we can, to some extent, understand some of it, reverse engineer some of it.

02:07:44.200 There's claims I think are credible claims, by the way, the fiber optics and night vision and some of these other things have come from the legacy program.

02:07:52.300 I suspect that there's some truth to that.

02:07:55.400 So how would we make sense of, like, interdimensional technology?

02:07:58.920 That doesn't make any sense.

02:08:00.680 So I don't see why we need to invoke, A, a spiritual realm, or, B, extra – an interdimensional realm when we're talking about the things that happen within the biblical context and also the UFO phenomenon.

02:08:15.720 Why do we need to invoke any of that?

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02:08:36.520 I don't know.

02:08:37.040 It says that the worlds were framed by the word of God and those things which appear were made of things that don't appear, right?

02:08:42.180 Like something was made, excuse me, from an unseen realm.

02:08:45.720 And there is, like, properties where Jesus shows up and he can come through walls.

02:08:49.040 Is it the subatomic in an unseen realm?

02:08:50.280 I don't know.

02:08:50.960 Where Jesus comes through walls, right? 0.65

02:08:52.760 Like he can, like, defy physicality coming through a wall to be in the room.

02:08:56.300 But then at the same time, he can be in union with physicality and he's eating.

02:09:00.220 He can kind of do both with that glorified body.

02:09:02.560 So, I don't know.

02:09:03.440 But I guess we're just kind of, like, parsing words.

02:09:05.920 Well, I'm just, I think we're saying possibly.

02:09:09.220 And Timothy's saying definitely not.

02:09:10.960 So, that's definitely not what.

02:09:13.340 No, I think he's kind of saying a lot of the same stuff.

02:09:15.980 We're just kind of parsing over minutia.

02:09:16.960 I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it is.

02:09:18.660 It's minutia.

02:09:19.340 It's nuance.

02:09:20.000 It's definitions.

02:09:20.760 Which is fair.

02:09:21.540 I mean, you need to have a firm ground to argue from.

02:09:24.480 Your main thing this whole time and watching this from an outsider was that, like, Timothy

02:09:28.000 Alvarino definitely came hard in the old Gen 6 production stuff.

02:09:32.300 Talking about, like, yeah, man, when this stuff comes on the scene, dude, from the alien

02:09:35.900 realm, there's going to be the, the Antichrist is going to come from that.

02:09:39.680 And you're just kind of looking more for him to sound the alarm nowadays.

02:09:42.880 Well, we already hashed it out.

02:09:44.280 That's what was happening back then.

02:09:44.920 I understand where he's coming from on that topic.

02:09:46.980 I think we beat that one to death.

02:09:48.360 There is something that I would like his opinion on because he's so close to this alien.

02:09:52.000 And, uh, Tim, you're so close to this.

02:09:54.000 We'll wrap it up after this.

02:09:54.760 Yeah, we'll wrap it up after this because we're at the two hour mark.

02:09:56.700 And Timothy, thank you.

02:09:57.600 If we, if I was rude specifically, you guys were rude.

02:10:00.660 No, no, no.

02:10:01.120 I'm always very rude.

02:10:02.120 I appreciate you guys.

02:10:03.280 Actually, I want to say thank you, not only for coming on this time, but showing up like

02:10:06.620 episode 30 of this show.

02:10:09.640 Earlier, giving us two hours.

02:10:10.820 Really, really early, giving us two hours of your time.

02:10:12.400 You guys specifically told me I can't glaze them and you're glazing them now.

02:10:15.700 You made me not do that.

02:10:17.640 We can glaze now.

02:10:18.580 It's all of a sudden.

02:10:19.680 At the end.

02:10:20.260 All right.

02:10:20.560 Listen, we spoke about.

02:10:21.640 I want a little time to glaze, but go ahead and do the questions.

02:10:24.240 There is something that I want his opinion on because something that's, um, really shown

02:10:28.740 itself in the UAP community, uh, is this element of the divine feminine.

02:10:34.060 It's coming predominantly from like the Bledsoe's who are referencing the lady.

02:10:38.440 And these aren't authorities necessarily, but they are louder voices in the space.

02:10:42.820 Um, what was the gentleman's name with the UAP, the egg retrieval, uh, Jason, um, I forgot

02:10:47.640 what his name is, but the, the big famous egg retrieval, Jake Barber is also filled with

02:10:52.720 this, this thing that he defined as the goddess.

02:10:55.040 He used the language, the goddess.

02:10:56.380 Now the goddess is an element that shows up over and over again.

02:10:59.880 Um, the Catholic church, which is, uh, you know, one of your favorite institutions, uh, the Vatican

02:11:04.400 in particular, uh, it talks about, you know, mother Mary being a co-redeemer Bledsoe, Chris

02:11:11.220 Bledsoe says that this entity he's engaging with is mother Mary, but goes by a plethora of

02:11:16.460 names, Hathor, um, uh, I think likely Ishtar and all these other things are tossed in there.

02:11:23.040 And this is something that I see really on the side of the, of the deception angle.

02:11:28.200 And, and we have been primed as a, as a people, as a, as a culture to receive this idea of

02:11:33.760 the divine feminine.

02:11:34.660 It's really a cultural phenomenon, especially with feminism and things of that nature. 1.00

02:11:38.440 And then there's even this other additional connection of Jack Parsons, you know, employed

02:11:42.240 by, uh, jet propulsion laboratories.

02:11:44.040 He's out in the middle of the deserts with, uh, uh, L Ron Hubbard and he's summoning into

02:11:49.220 through, uh, Alistair Crowley's works, this entity called Babylon that, you know, some

02:11:54.580 say is supposed to usher in this, this era of, uh, radical freedom and divine energy and

02:12:01.360 all these other things.

02:12:02.260 And so I can't help, but look at that and wonder if that's kind of what we are or have

02:12:07.240 been prepped to receive.

02:12:08.680 And now we're seeing the actual manifestation of that in the UAP space in regards to the

02:12:13.760 goddess or the divine feminine.

02:12:15.120 Are you seeing this?

02:12:16.300 What do you make it?

02:12:16.960 I completely agree with that.

02:12:18.300 Yeah.

02:12:18.480 I think that that now, now therein lies deception.

02:12:21.800 Okay.

02:12:22.420 This is a great illustration here of, of, of, of why we need to delineate on this topic

02:12:30.440 of UFOs and, and the alien presence, why it's so important to define our terms and to separate

02:12:37.300 the different pieces and parts that we're talking about.

02:12:39.640 So what you're, what you're referring to is messaging messaging that's coming from Bledsoe,

02:12:45.680 which is in, in my estimation, deceptive.

02:12:49.700 I think that Bledsoe is an abductee.

02:12:52.580 In fact, I know he is him and his family are abductees.

02:12:55.540 Now they are conveying information that is perhaps some of it completely fabricated, some

02:13:02.060 of it screen memories, and perhaps some of it they're being used specifically for deceptive

02:13:06.700 purpose, you know, I don't know, or, or a mix of all of those things.

02:13:11.040 Okay.

02:13:11.460 So now you're talking about messaging and we're on this, now we're on board here together.

02:13:15.120 The messaging there is deceptive, but let's take that, that and put it over here.

02:13:20.940 We can agree that the, all of that divine feminine and all that crap. 1.00

02:13:24.840 Yes.

02:13:25.280 That's very highly deceptive, highly intermingled with the occult.

02:13:30.720 That's over here.

02:13:31.680 But then let's take crash retrievals, let's take the testimony of whistleblowers, and let's

02:13:36.240 put that over here in a different bin.

02:13:38.660 Let's just call that, and I don't know if you guys agree with that, but for the sake

02:13:41.260 of argument, let's just call that fact, hard fact.

02:13:44.760 But it does get a little messy because the dude that retrieved that egg, he's actually

02:13:48.740 retrieving it and he's having this thing happen to him.

02:13:51.100 But yeah, no, I agree.

02:13:52.120 We'll separate that for now.

02:13:52.960 That's Jake Barber, who I know.

02:13:54.520 He just, he just described how the being in the craft that he was transporting, it was

02:14:03.580 on a lead line under his helicopter, some kind of a saucer.

02:14:07.360 Apparently there was a being inside of the saucer that was communicating something to him,

02:14:12.960 some sort of a empathic communication that overwhelmed him with these feelings, which

02:14:19.480 he describes as the divine feminine, whatever.

02:14:22.840 I don't know what that is.

02:14:24.000 There's nothing there.

02:14:25.340 I have nothing to evaluate there.

02:14:27.560 There's really no message there.

02:14:28.920 There's just a feeling.

02:14:30.760 Now, if he were to come forward and say, yes, and now this being tells me that Jesus wasn't

02:14:37.180 the son of God, oh, now I have something to evaluate.

02:14:39.760 And I can tell you that that's a lie, right?

02:14:41.760 But I can't evaluate somebody who's interpreting feelings they're getting from an experience.

02:14:46.100 So I really don't have anything to say about that, except for I think Jake Barber's telling

02:14:49.940 the truth.

02:14:50.460 And I think he was actually recovering some crap with something interesting inside of

02:14:55.060 them.

02:14:55.680 But let's set Jake aside for a moment.

02:14:57.860 Let's talk about the ones who've testified in Congress.

02:15:00.100 That bin over here, I would say, these are just facts that are coming out about a phenomenon

02:15:06.700 that is real.

02:15:08.260 Legacy program's real.

02:15:09.620 Crash retrievals happen.

02:15:11.040 The bodies are recovered.

02:15:12.260 There's biological bodies.

02:15:13.500 They die.

02:15:13.940 I have whistleblowers coming to me, by the way, telling me stories behind the scenes

02:15:17.740 that confirm all of this as well.

02:15:20.160 And that bin is just fact.

02:15:23.960 There's no messaging there, okay?

02:15:25.860 There's no messaging.

02:15:27.200 There's no disinformation there that I can perceive.

02:15:30.020 There's no disinformation.

02:15:31.580 Now, I'm not talking about fake photos that were presented in other.

02:15:34.380 I'm just talking about the basic claims of the whistleblowers.

02:15:37.180 That's just fact.

02:15:38.600 Okay, but about the divine feminine aspect, though. 0.90

02:15:41.480 Yeah, the Bledsoe, because these are the guys that are right now.

02:15:44.480 I'm trying to get these things separate in your head, because you have them jumbled

02:15:47.620 together.

02:15:48.080 And I'm trying to say, no, separate these things.

02:15:50.540 In the Bledsoe situation, you have messaging.

02:15:53.320 And worse, you have theological messaging there.

02:15:55.680 That's a whole different situation that's unfolding there.

02:15:59.760 And I think a lot of it is just BS, by the way.

02:16:02.340 You're getting like this Gnostic principle of Sophia, who's a counterpart to Christ that 0.68

02:16:06.660 is untalked about.

02:16:07.900 Like, this is something that permeates Gnosticism, but a plethora of other, you know, mystic schools

02:16:16.200 or what's the correct terminology?

02:16:19.020 Mystery schools.

02:16:19.280 Mystery schools.

02:16:20.500 Yeah.

02:16:20.780 And some of the guys, some of the guys, like, you know, Jake Barber is in Bledsoe's camp.

02:16:28.420 Okay.

02:16:28.700 And then you got some of the other guys, guys like Lou and Grush, who think he's nuts.

02:16:34.800 Okay.

02:16:35.280 Or at least I'm assuming that with, I shouldn't say, I just, let me retract that.

02:16:39.920 I don't know what Lou thinks about Bledsoe.

02:16:42.080 But I know that some of the guys who are the nuts and bolts guys who know that the phenomenon

02:16:46.960 is real, who've been involved in the crash retrieval stuff, think that this other stuff

02:16:51.120 over here, the divine fact that this is all bullcrap.

02:16:53.760 Okay.

02:16:54.320 So what I'm trying to do is get you guys to think in a much more complex way about this

02:16:59.100 topic and to differentiate these things.

02:17:01.080 Well, just to put this to bed, I am very aware there's a crash retrieval.

02:17:06.260 I understand all that.

02:17:07.380 And I don't think that these people are lying when they're retrieving these things.

02:17:09.840 And I don't think that reporting on the things that you've retrieved or the nature of the

02:17:13.220 technology or any of those things is a deception.

02:17:15.820 I'm not concerned about that.

02:17:17.280 If you find a thing and you're reverse engineering it, if the government has access to technology

02:17:22.220 from these crash, report on that, that's fine.

02:17:25.100 I'm not saying that you're part of a deception or anything like that.

02:17:28.480 These are just the nuts and bolts.

02:17:29.720 So that's fine on this show.

02:17:31.160 And our audience is also aware.

02:17:33.080 This is just one aspect of it.

02:17:34.460 If you have a guy that is just nuts and bolts and he's looking at the technological aspect

02:17:38.600 of it and he decides to report on it, well, that's exactly what it is.

02:17:41.480 And that's fine.

02:17:42.400 So I'm not too concerned with that aspect.

02:17:44.680 But this other thing, this weird divine feminine, you know, as you said, crap, and especially 1.00

02:17:51.960 in conjunction with the timely announcement of the Vatican or the Catholic Church that

02:17:57.980 Mary is co-redeemer alongside Christ and then Bledsoe saying that this thing is Mary, that

02:18:05.320 starts to paint a really fascinating picture.

02:18:07.240 And it's got quite a megaphone right now.

02:18:09.760 It's very loud.

02:18:10.320 It's going viral constantly.

02:18:11.500 Uh, the Bledsoe's Chris Bledsoe was just on a big podcast.

02:18:14.920 I forget the name of it, but surely millions and millions of views and definitely is going

02:18:19.480 to sway the opinion of, uh, people who are, you know, on the edge of their seats watching

02:18:23.700 the UFO disclosure unfold.

02:18:25.900 Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

02:18:27.380 I don't disagree with that at all.

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02:18:44.160 Um, let me, let me, before we go, let me ask you guys a question.

02:18:46.940 Okay, here we go.

02:18:47.460 I'm going to paint you guys a scenario and I just want to get you to respond to this.

02:18:50.400 Okay.

02:18:51.520 I like where this is going.

02:18:52.440 We have a situation unfolding in which for decades, elements of the United States government,

02:19:02.640 military industrial complex, together with aerospace contractors have been involved in

02:19:08.720 recovering reverse engineering, alien craft, deriving technology from it, interacting with

02:19:16.220 the beings, the pilots, and dissecting their bodies and also with the living pilots and,

02:19:22.740 and making, and let's just for the sake of argument, okay, concede to this, making,

02:19:27.440 making, um, illegal bargains with these beings, which I would suggest to you has happened.

02:19:38.020 I would agree.

02:19:39.160 And I say illegal because they're being done in secret and, and there's no consultation

02:19:45.460 with the American people, which is the way that this kind of thing is supposed to happen.

02:19:48.620 We, we were just lied to about all this.

02:19:50.420 And then because all of this has been secret, kept secret for so long, all kinds of illegal

02:19:56.480 things have happened behind the scenes.

02:19:58.160 As I said earlier, the most nefarious things you can imagine, okay.

02:20:02.140 Human trafficking associated with this experimentation on human beings, children,

02:20:07.680 hybridization, illicit, uh, uh, programs of hybridization in our attempt to understand the

02:20:14.540 technology and to access it, harness it.

02:20:18.980 Okay.

02:20:19.500 People have been murdered over this thing.

02:20:22.360 Um, so there's a lot of crime.

02:20:24.760 This is deep.

02:20:25.760 This is dark.

02:20:26.940 This is nefarious.

02:20:28.140 And this is highly illegal.

02:20:30.220 Okay.

02:20:31.320 That's here.

02:20:33.100 Now you have, and over here, you have a group of people who are saying, Hey, this thing's

02:20:39.780 real.

02:20:40.260 This program's real and it's illegal and we need to get oversight.

02:20:45.440 And the, and furthermore, the people who are involved in it, they say this behind the

02:20:48.340 scenes, people who are involved that need to be prosecuted for lying to the American

02:20:52.880 people.

02:20:53.200 And the American people have the right to know that this is happening because some of the

02:20:56.920 money is our money, right?

02:20:58.520 That's funding this evil stuff that's over here.

02:21:01.020 And then over here on this side, you have a group of people who are saying, Nope, Nope.

02:21:09.240 The American people should not be informed.

02:21:11.760 Keep this a lid on this.

02:21:13.320 Nobody needs to know anything about this.

02:21:16.120 Congress doesn't need to know nothing to see here.

02:21:19.920 Which side of that are you guys on?

02:21:22.400 When I, when I said, when we watched that documentary, I said, this is probably what Albarino is talking

02:21:26.780 about is exactly what he just said was that like, Hey, I'm glad that something's coming

02:21:30.820 forth.

02:21:31.160 I just think our position when we watched the documentary was that it was creepy.

02:21:35.660 It was like, it felt like the beginning of coronavirus where they were like, you got to stay six feet away.

02:21:40.620 You got to wear the mask.

02:21:41.640 Like here's the talking points with creepy bullet points.

02:21:44.160 And it was very corny and plasticky feeling.

02:21:46.760 But I said that, that that was probably his position and why he like defended it.

02:21:50.380 Was it like, Hey, at least it's coming forth.

02:21:52.720 I get it.

02:21:52.940 At least it's being said.

02:21:54.140 And I get it.

02:21:55.000 It's just, I don't know, my experience of the last six, seven years of like being, I was more in the political realm

02:21:59.840 before and you, you start to realize that you've been played a fool a bit.

02:22:05.720 This left, right dynamic is nonsense.

02:22:07.560 And I don't mean to like shoe, shoe politics.

02:22:10.320 They're important in some way.

02:22:11.500 Like obviously how we govern ourselves, but I know when I'm, I'm being given something and I'm being told to choose.

02:22:18.920 The Jewish question is a great one right now. 1.00

02:22:21.720 This is out there.

02:22:22.740 There's a dynamic, whatever.

02:22:24.280 There's a dynamic going and they're saying, hate them, love them.

02:22:27.440 Neither of these are the answer.

02:22:28.600 There's a lot more nuance here.

02:22:30.320 So what I'm looking at is guys like Lou Elizondo who are in the government.

02:22:33.640 And I'm looking at other people who are in the government and they're saying, we need to suppress.

02:22:38.260 We need to release.

02:22:40.820 The truth is somewhere in between.

02:22:42.400 I mean, I would say that.

02:22:43.640 But what I see here though, is an idea that's time has come.

02:22:48.540 Yeah.

02:22:48.760 This is happening, whether we like it or not.

02:22:51.160 I'm just trying to be perceptive of the narrative that comes with it and the people that are presenting the narrative.

02:22:56.740 Who's going to control it.

02:22:57.580 And who's going to control it.

02:22:58.580 Someone's going to control this narrative.

02:23:00.000 But like, if there are non-human intelligence and it's their time and they're ready to present themselves, Lou Elizondo is not going to stop this.

02:23:07.140 The Collins elite are not going to stop this.

02:23:09.040 Your favorite senator is not going to stop this.

02:23:11.140 They can control the release.

02:23:12.880 They can control the demolition of America. 0.94

02:23:14.800 They can control the release of the public and persuade our opinions on it.

02:23:18.240 And that's kind of how I'm looking at this.

02:23:20.420 And I feel like I'm being manipulated, especially by that documentary for sure.

02:23:24.840 But it seems like you guys are kind of skirting around the question.

02:23:27.460 Based on the based on the things that the those the data points I presented, wouldn't you all of you acknowledge that the guys who are trying to tell the American people the truth and get oversight over these programs that are rogue?

02:23:44.960 Wouldn't you say that's those are the good guys?

02:23:47.040 That's the question.

02:23:47.720 No, is that what's happening?

02:23:49.040 This is like the same question.

02:23:50.180 Yes, that's what's happening.

02:23:51.080 I can tell you.

02:23:51.560 I voted with the guys that are destroying the grays. 1.00

02:23:53.880 No, no.

02:23:54.320 Guys who are destroying the grays. 1.00

02:23:55.280 I voted for Donald Trump to get a certain thing.

02:23:58.460 And now we're here with these Epstein files that will not be released.

02:24:02.260 And I didn't vote specifically for the Epstein files.

02:24:03.960 Yeah, we're not talking about Donald Trump.

02:24:05.240 We're talking.

02:24:05.660 But we are talking about this left.

02:24:07.200 We're talking about a left right dynamic.

02:24:08.760 And like this boomer.

02:24:09.360 There is no left right dynamic here.

02:24:11.520 There is no left right dynamic here.

02:24:13.140 There's there's a bunch of there's a lot of terrible things happening in in the cover of darkness miles beneath our feet that have been that that that there's been no oversight for generations.

02:24:25.560 OK, and this technology has leaked and is being used face peelers, Peru, Michael Herrera's testimony, human trafficking.

02:24:34.480 This stuff is being used to do the most nefarious things because there has been no oversight.

02:24:39.980 And the American people have been lied to.

02:24:42.140 The world has been lied to.

02:24:43.600 OK, so it's a very simple question is exposing that and getting oversight over it and telling the American people the truth.

02:24:51.980 Is that a noble endeavor?

02:24:55.140 Forget about.

02:24:56.680 Wait, wait, wait, guys, guys, we're missing the point here.

02:24:59.000 It's a hypothetical.

02:25:00.020 How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

02:25:02.260 I feel hungry.

02:25:03.080 So, but I did have breakfast this morning.

02:25:05.480 Truly what was being presented, if that was the nature of it, it was that clean and cut.

02:25:09.580 I disagree with the fact that it's that clean and cut.

02:25:12.100 But let's add a third option.

02:25:13.940 I would say I would err on the side of the guys that are going to release the information and I would do my best to use my platform to insert the gospel into the minds of anybody who is looking at this thing because they are going to need it going forward.

02:25:25.000 So, yeah, I mean, that's yes, that's happening, whether we like it or not.

02:25:28.720 And I would say that if you were a guy who was like, you know, let's say, hypothetically, really close to the situation, close to like an Alessandro or something like that.

02:25:38.500 You used to be, you know, intimate with like megalithic structures, maybe in like a South American country.

02:25:43.620 I don't know, whatever.

02:25:44.400 And you had yourself grounded in Christ.

02:25:46.780 I'm not sure you're like close to the situation.

02:25:48.660 I'm just saying, if you were that kind of guy and you were on a show and you wanted to give some indicator that you're just trying to maintain some air of being reasonable and not be outcasted by a nuts and bolts community that's right up the ass of disclosure, maybe you would do a thing on a show like a little meow or I would pick I would pick a side.

02:26:10.860 Listen, if I'm going to if if I'm going to be able to learn a little bit more about what I've been studying for the last couple of decades.

02:26:17.080 Yeah, I pick a side and I pick the side of the guys that are clearly going to do it.

02:26:20.380 So I guess that's the answer to your question.

02:26:21.840 But neither side is correct.

02:26:24.120 This is happening.

02:26:24.880 You didn't think that documentary was creepy the way it was laid out?

02:26:27.500 It was like coronavirus beginning vibes like, OK, I didn't think it was creepy at all.

02:26:31.300 I thought it was extremely well produced.

02:26:32.180 Well, you know what it was, Tim?

02:26:33.620 It was like, as you were watching it.

02:26:35.460 Sorry, what did you say, Tim?

02:26:36.380 He just said he didn't think it was creepy at all.

02:26:37.680 I didn't think it was creepy at all.

02:26:38.520 I think it was just it was just a narrative that they were trying to frame the documentary in a way that people who are new to the topic can understand it and that people who've been in the topic for a long time can also understand that what they're doing is confirming what ufologists have known for decades.

02:26:58.160 That's what they're doing.

02:26:58.760 They're just confirming there's nothing that.

02:27:00.060 Can I ask you this, Tim?

02:27:02.020 You're a guy who's who's, you know, taken on a number of sizable projects.

02:27:06.300 And this time right now that we're in seems very important.

02:27:10.360 Is there anything on your horizon of maybe a partner documentary to what we just watched that helps people see this through a Christian lens and remain grounded in the gospel could be, you know, very valuable.

02:27:24.400 You have like a you have a some sort of a program, right?

02:27:28.040 What do you mean I have a program?

02:27:31.180 I have a community.

02:27:32.800 I have a I have a members community where we talk about this stuff at length.

02:27:37.160 I mean, we really get deep into the minutia.

02:27:41.580 And that's Timothy.

02:27:42.860 That's the Elbrino analysis dot com.

02:27:45.500 But I'm constantly doing things with L.A. Marzulli soon, though, right?

02:27:49.220 I'm sorry.

02:27:50.160 You're doing are you you're doing something with L.A. Marzulli.

02:27:53.900 I saw an announcement on your interview with L.A.

02:27:56.940 I did an interview with L.A. where at the end of the interview, he asked me if he could incorporate it into his conference conference.

02:28:06.380 So that's what that is.

02:28:07.340 It was just an interview.

02:28:08.100 And I and I didn't really I had no objection to that.

02:28:11.460 So that's what he did.

02:28:12.660 But listen, I think that what what we need to do, what you need to do here in the audience, I would say, and what Christians, by and large, need to do is decouple. 1.00

02:28:23.620 Decouple the reality of the phenomenon from the deception of the phenomenon, decouple those things.

02:28:32.540 We need to acknowledge the reality and not deny it, not not pretend that the things that are real are not real, while at the same time.

02:28:41.140 And being ready to refute, like in the case of the Bledsoe stuff, refute the messaging that is clearly.

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02:29:05.960 Anti-biblical.

02:29:08.000 OK, that's those are two different domains.

02:29:11.660 You can acknowledge what's real and refute any kind of messaging that comes out that's contrary to the gospel of Christ.

02:29:18.260 There is nothing about that that is confusing.

02:29:23.760 There's nothing about that that is trying to play both sides.

02:29:29.860 It's it's just acknowledging what is true and refuting theological messaging that is contrary to the gospel.

02:29:37.780 That's what I do.

02:29:38.840 And I don't we don't get anywhere when people are still arguing about whether or not there's a crash retrieval program.

02:29:47.480 Oh, we don't get any off the table yet that we're we're fond beyond far beyond that pill, I would say.

02:29:52.660 Yes. Yeah. So and then, you know, and then you have to be able to differentiate between information that's like in that film, the age of disclosure, information that's being presented in a way that is the whole intention of that film was just to say this is real.

02:30:12.460 Well, here's a bunch of people who are in authority who are acknowledging that it's real and and here's the here's the part that a lot of people go nuts about and this constitutes or actually let me be very accurate.

02:30:27.120 This may constitute a national security threat.

02:30:32.260 OK, that's the film. That's the film. That's age of disclosure.

02:30:36.220 This is real and it may constitute a national security threat.

02:30:39.900 That's that's that was the thrust of the film. There's no theological anything in it.

02:30:44.440 Yeah, there's a group of evangelical Christians.

02:30:46.320 And I'll say this and I know we have to close here.

02:30:48.700 This group of evangelical Christians who don't want the public to look at this topic, who don't want you to know anything about it, who want to keep the lid on it.

02:30:57.260 Nothing to see here.

02:30:58.100 If you look at it, you're you're you're entertaining demons or something like that.

02:31:04.100 Right. These guys and I have reason to believe, by the way, these are hardcore Zionist type people, too, who believe we're like Israel first, hardcore Zionism.

02:31:17.760 So I'll bet you guys don't agree with that.

02:31:19.760 I just I would suspect that you probably wouldn't agree with that logically doesn't track because a hardcore Zionist would be trying to bring about the end of time.

02:31:26.560 You're talking about dispensational, dispensational, evangelical Christians.

02:31:35.020 OK, it does track and dispense dispensational, evangelical Christians.

02:31:39.100 The vast majority of them think aliens are just demons.

02:31:42.580 The whole thing's just a deception. Just throw it all out.

02:31:45.840 You know, UFOs and crash retrieval. It's all just fake gay deception, whatever. 1.00

02:31:51.660 And and they're hardcore Zionist. That's exactly who we're talking about. 0.91

02:31:55.920 OK, it's precisely who we're talking about here.

02:31:58.660 So am I with that crowd? No, I'm not a Zionist and I'm not anti-Israel.

02:32:03.060 I'm just not a Zionist. And I'm not and I'm not dispensational and I'm not anti dispensational.

02:32:08.900 I have lots of friends who are dispensational Christians and I love these people and I support them and I've got nothing against it. 0.96

02:32:15.240 I'm just not that. Just understand that when you invoke the Collins elite, that it's not that these people are just these righteous people who who know for a fact that aliens are demons.

02:32:26.860 And they're just trying to protect the public from a deception. No.

02:32:29.080 So, yes, in their in their minds, they are. That doesn't mean that they're right.

02:32:34.100 There's in my perspective, they're certainly not right about a lot of the other things they do.

02:32:38.140 So I think they're misguided. And I'm I'm I am with the Christians who want to tell the truth and who want to bust the bad guys who want to end this illicit activity.

02:32:49.820 And there's specifically a group where I work who I work with that they want to gather enough evidence of all this terrible of all these terrible things that are happening in relate in related to this topic and other topics as well.

02:33:02.280 Present it to the president and to the administration and give them the opportunity to redress it, to shut these programs down, to tell the American people the truth, to to prosecute the people who have committed these terrible things, to go after these rogue these these these these rogue companies who are using the technology to do nefarious things.

02:33:26.680 That's what these guys want. Guess what? I'm there. That's me. That's what I want.

02:33:30.340 I think that is a good place to leave it. That is. But I would I would actually like to make a request.

02:33:35.760 I just put my hat on. Stop it. We're not ending it on your head off.

02:33:38.900 Jeez. Timothy, thank you for thank you for taking the time to meet with us.

02:33:42.880 If you would, Matt, can you take us out in prayer? Because I feel like what we're talking about, let him do his his plugs and tell people, you know, you've written a lot of books and a lot of fantastic documentaries.

02:33:52.300 And I think that, you know, after this discussion, a lot of people are going to be fascinated to look into more of your work.

02:33:57.240 So if you could, before we do that, let everybody know what you've worked on, where they can find these things.

02:34:03.520 Well, everybody knows I have a YouTube channel. I'm on X and Instagram.

02:34:09.160 My handle is always the same, Timothy Albrino.

02:34:10.660 You know, I have a whole I have a whole film series, well, three films in a series that no one's that I've never published publicly.

02:34:18.520 They're excellent. They're I'd say they're better than the true legend series.

02:34:22.600 That's in my members community. And I produced this some years ago.

02:34:28.160 And it's more like about ancient history and elongated skulls and all that kind of stuff.

02:34:33.600 So there's a lot of material over there, my members community.

02:34:36.820 But, you know, I've got a lot going on projects that are happening this year that that people want to track with those.

02:34:44.280 Follow me on social media. Follow me on YouTube.

02:34:49.080 And I just want to say I appreciate you guys being willing to do this.

02:34:52.440 I think we probably agree on way more than we would ever disagree on.

02:34:55.740 I think that once terms are properly defined, there's probably very little that we disagree on.

02:35:02.700 So I just want to make it clear that I am not team deception.

02:35:07.920 OK, and I don't just believe what the government says and I don't just believe what Lou Elizondo says or David Grush.

02:35:13.280 I'm not that guy. But behind the scenes, I'm interacting with people who want to drop the hammer on the real demonic stuff that's going on in the background.

02:35:21.480 OK, I'm with those guys. Just to be clear, I'm with those guys.

02:35:25.780 Thank you guys for having me on. This was a lot of fun.

02:35:29.660 Thank you for coming on. I knew we were going to agree on it more than not.

02:35:32.620 Just take us out in a quick prayer, like just about discernment, because this is very confusing.

02:35:38.260 You see how like like we're in such a tussle over definitions.

02:35:43.000 I hope it's crazy. I hope this serves that like nine to five worker who doesn't have the time to delve into these topics, whose occupation it isn't.

02:35:51.180 You know, we're all strapped for time and this is a confusing landscape to navigate.

02:35:55.860 And so I hope that this serves somebody out there. And if anything, I hope that it brought someone closer to to the gospel of Christ.

02:36:03.040 But please, yeah, Matt, take it away.

02:36:05.420 God, I just want to thank you for even making this a possibility today.

02:36:08.860 You, God, of all people know how grateful I am for the dude, Timothy Alvarino, and how wild this story is that this dude's just like on the TV now in the coffee shop.

02:36:18.820 And we're having this conversation with him. And I'm just I'm just very grateful for this, God.

02:36:22.600 I just pray that like we wouldn't get lost in the minutia and that the common people wouldn't get lost in the minutia and the parsing over words and details and some of the stuff that just kind of like takes us totally off track, Lord.

02:36:35.160 But that I don't know, like all this alien stuff, Lord, you know, I don't need this.

02:36:38.640 Not even my thing. Like, I don't really know much about all this stuff.

02:36:41.240 I just know that there are entities that are going to reveal themselves and try to deceive us.

02:36:46.120 And your word talks about how that men's hearts are going to be feeling them for fear for things coming on the earth.

02:36:51.800 And I just pray against all that stuff for everybody listening and everybody that's here today.

02:36:55.620 God, I pray that like Timothy Alvarino would be our boy for long term, like in the fight, because honestly, man, I think we have to really keep track of like who's on our team and who's not on our team.

02:37:06.180 And I'm really grateful for this discussion that some of this stuff was able to be borne out and some of Raven's, you know, real genuine concerns were able to be brought up.

02:37:14.840 And Timothy was able to talk through it. And I'm grateful the top wasn't like super nasty, but was able to get his point across, too.

02:37:20.740 Like this was just a rad thing. And I'm incredibly grateful to just have been a part of it, Lord.

02:37:25.100 But that's really my prayer is that Alvarino would continue to be a voice.

02:37:28.780 You know, he's been a voice in my life for, you know, probably a decade now and even into my kid's life and all these things.

02:37:35.160 And I pray that he would continue to be that for many more people, that he's moved the ball like so far down the field for most of modern American Christians that just couldn't handle like the things that were being said 10 years ago.

02:37:46.040 He's moved that ball so far. And I just pray that he'd continue to do that.

02:37:50.280 And we'd be like a team doing that, Lord, that we would stay focused on like who's on the team and who's not in regards to the kingdom of God, Lord.

02:37:57.840 I just pray that you'd have your hand on us and guide us and instruct us and allow us to really preach truth everywhere that we go, Lord, in regards to like alien deception, but in regards to everything, Lord, in Jesus name.

02:38:09.000 Amen.

02:38:09.600 Amen.

02:38:10.320 Amen.

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Nephilim Death Squad - January 19, 2026

Are Aliens Demons？ Timothy Alberino Debates Nephilim Death Squad

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