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00:05:59.800yeah okay so it was really tony's show that i was like i was listening to and i was like
00:06:06.300you know i had so many um experiences myself and i would love to chat with people about
00:06:12.200experiences and you know i could do conspiracies too because i i enjoy those um and then i told
00:06:19.660him about it and he's like you know what you should do that and i'll help you so that's really
00:06:25.840how it uh came about and the name was really weird to come across i went through like five or six
00:06:33.080names and settled on where the weird ones are which is a play on the on the book i don't know
00:06:38.720if you guys remember where the wild ones are yeah yeah so yeah so then it just kind of blossomed
00:06:45.240through there the first like year and a half was really slow and and really rough and i wasn't sure
00:06:50.000if it was gonna continue and make it to where it is now but it's been it's been a lot of fun
00:06:56.240meet a lot of good people uh you guys are um are familiar with justin brown um the doc he's become
00:07:04.400a good really good friend of mine um so uh but i wanted to ask you guys too what made you guys
00:07:10.580want to start your podcast um uh love of money and fame proclivity for spreading lies lying
00:07:20.240wanting to lie no you know uh so uh i had been a conspiracy theorist for a long time and i and i
00:07:28.480went through something uh you know i guess a supernatural experience i i've had a lot but
00:07:34.820um one of them was pretty profound and we'll probably end up getting into it here but
00:07:38.820um it led me to the confessionals as well and i was uh a member there and so was top and we didn't
00:07:49.820know each other at all but he had a sense of humor that um i just felt like there was something that
00:07:55.720kind of drew me to i don't really go out of my way to talk to people i mean you know it sounds
00:07:59.720stupid i do a show where i talk to people but i mean like i really don't and for whatever reason
00:08:04.820And this dude was, like, something was saying, like, oh, go talk to him.
00:08:08.100Dave's the type of dude, like, he's like, yo, let's do, like, a large live event and invite a bunch of comedians and celebrities and stuff.
00:08:14.420And I was like, great, yeah, and fans, too.
00:16:43.760I'd say like I'm right there with you.
00:16:47.160um like i think that once we die maybe we maybe our spirit spends a little bit of time here like
00:16:53.840you said like a almost like a waiting room like we're just on the other side of the veil but we're
00:16:58.700not really gone yet but i do think that we are constantly uh being like it's almost like um
00:17:07.160the record is stuck kind of thing where we're just replaying it's just like it's residual energy is
00:17:14.260the word that i'm thinking of where it's just replaying um and it's just memorizing what was
00:17:20.240once there um but like you said it's not really the spirit it's just something that's replaying
00:17:26.900what it's replaying a memory yeah i think what what could be the determining factor as to what
00:17:33.460moment gets replayed is um the individual that was there in that time you know in their reality
00:17:41.700um how they were emotionally because i do think emotional energy is so that's why if you know if
00:17:48.520it's a highly charged emotional event like a murder or something like that that'll replay but
00:17:53.960if she's walking down that hallway to see her child or something maybe she's filled with you
00:17:59.420know it could be overwhelmingly positive energy overwhelmingly negative but but it has to be i
00:18:04.500don't think you get a replay of like uh checking the refrigerator you know what i mean like something
00:18:09.400that's not and maybe you will if your head is filled with demons at the time you know what i
00:18:15.180mean if you're in your refrigerator late one night because you can't get to sleep because
00:18:18.320you're filled with despair well then maybe in that case you'll get the refrigerator ghost in
00:18:22.660the future uh but i think it has a lot to do with the energy that human beings are putting off in
00:18:27.680that in that moment sure sure i believe i believe that's that same same thing um you know that i
00:18:37.080I grew up seeing shadow people all the time. And, um, you know, for a long time I was like,
00:18:45.700well, if I'm seeing these people, then we're either people aren't going to heaven or they're
00:18:51.420not going to hell or they're not going to either. Um, cause I, when, you know, grew, when I was a
00:18:56.340kid, my conception of that was that, you know, when we die, we go to one or the other place and
00:19:02.780there's no in between. And so when I started seeing these people, I was like, well, what the
00:19:08.980hell is, what, what is happening? What is wrong with me? First, I thought there was something
00:19:12.760wrong with me. And then I started becoming like an atheist, I guess. And I went through a lot of
00:19:19.400like childhood trauma with my mother, blah, blah, blah, blah. And so as a teenager, I was like
00:19:25.660really angry. And that was the only time that I was never like plagued by anything supernatural.
00:19:32.500was when i was like in this i was like in this my hood rat phase i guess you could say
00:19:37.620fighting people yes yes i very much was i was very like tried to uh represent myself as as a
00:19:47.040as g'd up from the feed up and um all that so um but i was so angry yeah through that period of my
00:19:55.400life where and i wasn't experiencing any of that stuff anymore um and then when i i it was a little
00:20:03.400bit later you know and i started experiencing again i started to calm down and i started to
00:20:09.240heal myself from you know childhood trauma and stuff and then i started experiencing stuff and
00:20:14.680then um and we just moved out of my house and we're in the middle of selling it we close on it
00:20:21.880on uh wednesday thank god um and then you know my son he is he just turned 17 in november
00:20:31.900and he's talking about god and he's wearing these shirts that have scripture on it he's got
00:20:40.380a necklace and he's talking about you know we gotta come to jesus and this and that
00:20:45.360and he preaches to kids at high school and stuff like that and then all of a sudden i start
00:20:50.760believing is like really he opened the door for me that's awesome um and so now i have a now i
00:20:56.860wear a cross around my neck and i'm not really a jewelry person um and so once i started doing
00:21:04.760that then all of a sudden these shadow people started showing up again yes and then that's
00:21:10.060when i was like there's there's something to this and like and so i started i just tried this just
00:21:16.900like you said right at the beginning i they they were in my hallway there was one of them and i
00:21:22.880just said in the name of jesus if you have bad intentions you're not allowed here and poof it
00:21:27.800was done so yeah man there's obviously something and a lot of people are like it's the intention
00:21:33.920it's not really the name and i was like well i don't know it's well the bible literally says
00:21:38.400it's the name that's that's the thing that gets me is like a lot of people they they don't have
00:21:42.560any sort of uh framework for the things that they say when they say that you know they go like oh
00:21:46.660well it's just about your intentions you can call on any name it's like no specifically the bible
00:21:50.300says that um and it elaborates as to why the name of christ works and you know once you start to
00:21:57.380understand it it all makes a lot of sense but that whole idea of beginning your walk with christ and
00:22:02.980then all of a sudden all that shit starts happening you know a lot of people will say that that's the
00:22:07.220case and i say that that's the case because that definitively happened to me when i um you know
00:22:13.400So there's a longer story, and I think we should ease into it because it takes up quite a bit of time.
00:22:19.680But I had an event, and I ended up calling on Christ, and I was not Christian.
00:22:25.400And it stopped that event, and we can get into that a little bit later.
00:22:30.120But that forever oriented me towards Jesus in such a way that it ultimately leads to us doing this show now, or at least from my perspective.
00:22:43.400and there was a time where this was a slow coming, right?
00:27:32.560And whatever was attached to the previous owners,
00:27:36.420therefore, based on my limited understanding
00:27:37.980of the spiritual realm, has no rights to be here anymore.
00:27:42.160But I've not really evicted these things. So I start to call out in the name of Christ for these things to leave my house and leave my property, that they have no right to be here, that I'm the rightful owner, and these things have no right to be here.
00:27:58.480dude i'm like number one it stops after that it stops after like two or three instances of that
00:28:05.600it takes like a couple of times for me to do it and it all stops which is weird because the
00:28:09.020phenomenon was so like um so constant it was constant it wasn't like hearing a knock every
00:28:18.220once in a while it's like daily and nightly this this phenomenon was happening and it all stops
00:28:23.500There was nights previous before it stopped that I would wake up because I could feel like maybe maybe you know what I'm talking about, Kev.
00:28:32.200Maybe your audience does. I could feel the room was like this room is fucked up.
00:28:38.500Something is wrong. Something is like here. And I can't see anything, but I could feel it and I could feel like dread and I could feel almost like an electric, you know, quality to the air.
00:28:49.860and i'd stay up for a little bit scroll my phone i'd eventually fall back asleep the next morning
00:28:55.320my wife would be like room felt really weird last night and i'd be like you fucking felt that too
00:29:00.860right like it's it was like tangible like we could all tell and after that like two or three
00:29:05.540sessions of calling on christ and claiming like authority over my household it stops
00:29:09.900that's amazing that's it it's really interesting the way the way it works it's because
00:29:20.280it's almost immediate and you're you're talking about like the the the are you talking about like
00:29:28.520how heavy it feels while you're in it while everything's happening or are you talking about
00:29:32.260the lightness that it felt afterwards i'm saying good question so those nights yeah well you were
00:29:39.880where were you aware of how heavy of an atmosphere you were in the entire time um i don't think the
00:29:47.380atmosphere changed i put myself in a weird position like um you know renting rooms to people
00:29:53.600and and people owing you money it just makes for like a kind of and also it was like my cousin was
00:29:58.760my childhood best friend in a lot of ways so we grew up drinking and smoking and you know committing
00:30:05.860all kinds of debauchery so um having him there there was like this energy you know that was like
00:30:11.400very much like a time when i was really lost so i don't think necessarily that goes away um i've
00:30:17.120since moved from that and now like you can tell it's it's like this fresh clean energy that's not
00:30:22.180like that anymore but what did go away specifically was the man in the window the knocking on the
00:30:28.800doors and windows the black flies and that like you know you want to talk about like a heavy
00:30:33.700oppressive feeling those bedroom nights which were like pretty often it's weird how i became
00:30:39.760accustomed to it like it was uh i didn't see it as really abnormal it's not like i ever it's not
00:30:49.300like i ever had a place like that that i lived in that was as spiritually oppressive you know like
00:30:58.500i i had been married for a while by that point and you know it just wasn't the norm for the
00:31:04.980place that we came from previously didn't have that we weren't waking up regularly and being
00:31:08.920like yeah fucking the room was not it was not good last night the room was not good last night
00:31:14.260like i i don't know it seems like such a throwaway thing to say but it was so so regular
00:31:21.280on a regular basis we were saying this to each other like yeah man and and there was just like
00:31:26.780this kind of went on probably for a good two to three months maybe four months so four months
00:31:35.620however many days that that is days and nights days and nights uh what is that uh 120 days and
00:31:42.520nights and it didn't really feel that bizarre which it should have been it was like if it
00:31:50.240happened right now i'd be like no something's wrong one day of that and i'd have been praying
00:31:54.860but for four months of that and it was just like yep another one of those nights another night of
00:32:01.040knocking on the windows another night of i was killing the flies regularly i was going in the
00:32:06.200garage and i was swatting them out of the air i was catching them out of the air because they
00:32:10.520were like these big slow black fat flies that you could just catch out of the air they were so
00:32:17.160big and slow and there was so many of them um and i wouldn't think anything of you know it's like
00:32:23.220a weird picture to paint manically for hours on end in the garage catching flies just catching
00:32:29.380flies just killing them i would kill hundreds of flies and they'd be back in like a day or two
00:32:34.620and never connecting this so if there was a heaviness to that house it was like a delusion
00:32:41.500it was like something that was keeping me from seeing clearly what this was
00:32:47.160that's interesting you know i've had kind of like um a similar thing with the flies i never
00:32:56.140really connected it to like anything spiritually but i had just split up from um my ex-girlfriend
00:33:04.000and um she was like she was on something else but anyways there's these two windows in this
00:33:11.420kitchen of this apartment they were had flies around them all the time and i would kill them
00:33:17.280every day i started putting up uh those stupid stringy things that catches them in the and
00:33:24.140whatever and it was like two months straight of just constantly every day there was like a new
00:33:30.940batch of flies and then i started talking to my ex again and we started getting back together and
00:33:35.640as soon as she came back into the pictures the flies went away and i never really thought of that
00:33:40.960until now and i think that she was a lesson that i needed to learn because she was i'm not saying
00:33:48.040that i did any never did anything wrong either but there was like something there was something
00:33:51.900there's something attached to her that i think so um well you know like another so um another word
00:34:03.600for satan is beelzebub and lord of the fly lord the lord of the flies and so my connection kev
00:34:13.680didn't come till like later on when i was like i remembered every horror movie i ever saw
00:34:17.560where like the flies um amityville yeah dude like the flies are part of the whole bag that's what i
00:34:23.380mean like it was like a spiritual veil i i couldn't see what this was it's very strange um and and i
00:34:31.700like to think i kind of knew my shit i mean i wasn't really close to god at that time i was
00:34:36.960just beginning my walk but like i was so familiar with the paranormal with the supernatural you know
00:34:43.200all kinds of events throughout my life and that creates all sorts of interest
00:34:48.140in studying it and like i couldn't see this very strange
00:34:52.740and i when you were in this did you did you have like before well actually going
00:35:01.520before this all really started did you have any kind of like stressors any kind of like mentally
00:35:07.420anything going on with you um yeah i mean you just bought a new house i bought a new house
00:35:13.740and i was trying to support like my family and my extended family and um you just moved from the
00:35:22.060desert yeah well at that time i had moved from new jersey uh because i went to you know las vegas
00:35:28.420and back to new jersey but um you know the the stressors were just the regular ones of like you
00:35:36.400know stupid shit starts happening they adjust your property taxes they adjust your escrow and
00:35:40.600all of a sudden your mortgage starts going up and shit and like you know there was but that
00:35:44.400it wasn't that early honestly to be perfectly honest there is a connection i think to my cousin
00:35:51.240where um he just opens up these old um routines in my mind you know what i mean because like
00:35:59.680i was homeless when i was younger and i was homeless with him and so uh whatever drugs we
00:36:05.940were doing and drugs we were selling and trouble we were getting into um the times i spent with him
00:36:12.860it was like i didn't see him through my childhood i i met him and was homeless with him through my
00:36:19.040teenage years and then he left you know to a different state in my very early 20s and then
00:36:25.780I didn't see him again until basically this and I think there's like um he I'm you know and I don't
00:36:33.420mean this in a negative way I love my cousin I think he's got like a hitchhiker he's got an
00:36:36.640attachment it plays really well with my you know attachments that I think I had at a point and um
00:36:42.780and so yeah it wasn't so much the stresses yet because I for all intents and purposes I should
00:36:48.500have been in this beautiful renaissance of a period you know it was like i was a homeowner
00:36:52.300and i and i landed a good job and everything was really wonderful but like he's got something that
00:36:58.400doesn't play well with my something and uh and i think that was on full display at that point plus
00:37:04.140um i don't know if it's the area but coincidentally and it's not coincidence i don't you know there's
00:37:10.240an app called the the grinder there's an app called um neighborhood the neighborhood app i
00:37:19.360don't have it anymore but it kind of like tells you what's going on around the neighborhood it's
00:37:22.960like facebook for all your neighbors to gossip about each other the one guy who doesn't bring
00:37:26.320his trash in from the curb ever and the other guy who's got cars parked on his lawn um and i searched
00:37:32.520for like knocking on door and it's insane in my few block radius everybody is saying that people
00:37:43.400are knocking on their doors and windows at all hours of the night oh that's interesting and and
00:37:48.100some people would say it's teenagers and i would go they figured it out and i'd click on the post
00:37:54.040and people would be like so you you saw them and they're like no and we're like well how do you
00:37:59.460know it's teenagers and be like because what else could it be and then they would be like you know
00:38:03.240oh um i think it's teenagers too and then somebody would be like yeah but i had them knocking and my
00:38:09.260ring camera shows nobody there so that's when i realized like something else is going on and um
00:38:15.560i think that that even though i was in a good place i think i might have been subjected to some
00:38:20.320territorial spirits or something who knows what you know florida's a weird area when it comes to
00:38:25.300Like, I think like the Seminole Indians or some shit.
00:38:27.920So if it's an Indian cursed ground type of deal, who the hell, I'll never know.
00:38:34.160You know, I don't think there's any way to figure that out.
00:38:36.120But I did have an experience when I first moved in that kind of kicked all this off.
00:46:33.700The living room, the area that they walk through has a huge hole in it,
00:46:37.000so they walk around it to this guy's office,
00:46:38.860And she's describing like a room that's like book, like wall to wall books.
00:46:45.800And the guy is sitting at his study and he's now talking to her and he's telling her like, yeah, there's something, there's a thing on you.
00:46:53.180And, but don't worry, we can get it out.
00:46:55.780So he does some sort of, you know, ritual.
00:46:59.780I don't know exactly what it entails, but, you know, burning of candles, shit like that.
00:47:05.100And he starts telling this thing like, you got to get off of her.
00:49:32.960There are certain, you know, dispositions of your heart that you have to have in your order, your life set in order before you could meaningfully tell something to leave.
00:49:43.560Like, I can't tell you to leave if I'm doing the behavior.
01:01:44.560Yeah, I think that some of us and it sounds like this is probably your case, too, because I think what it happens when you're really young, you know, there's there's the the potentiality of like trauma.
01:01:58.940So, like, I've experienced some stuff that I think probably gave these things access.
01:02:04.440But I also think that even outside of that trauma, the trauma is likely to happen if you are subjected to generational iniquity.
01:02:12.640Yeah, I was going to ask, does your son have any experiences?
01:12:55.920and i don't know isn't that strange though it's the sigh of like it was a woman's voice
01:13:01.280yeah but it happens all the time kind of sound like oh okay i i wish i mean i don't wish um it
01:13:09.260happened all the time but um it's it it gets me excited but at the same time like it's like
01:13:17.080kind of scary yeah yeah it's like it's evidence but at the same time it's like
01:13:22.340it's fucking with me i get it man i get the excited thing like i it's exhilarating it is
01:13:27.280yeah that whole week i don't know if you remember that whole week was technical difficulties yeah
01:13:32.060yeah i remember that there was like we go through these periods where it seems like she's going
01:13:35.200through right now too yeah man yeah yeah yeah yeah um i don't know i i think uh i understand it you
01:13:44.340know a lot of christians will kind of like get you know like oh don't don't look at that don't
01:13:48.800look at that. But my thing is the people who experience it often end up being some of the
01:13:55.720best tools for the will of God, right? Like, in other words, if you've experienced it,
01:14:01.580like for me, I like to think that I'm a good tool. I could be a good servant because I can speak to
01:14:07.420people who are like me, who have, I don't know if you've experienced this, Kev, but it's like
01:14:12.860when you go through these things and they drive you to all sorts of like conspiracy and looking
01:14:18.380into like the phenomenon there is a little part of you that looks at christians like
01:14:22.780these motherfuckers like they don't know shit they don't know shit like they don't have they're
01:14:27.060like they're they're just happy people going through they don't really have a a depth of
01:14:32.320knowledge on any particular thing they don't know conspiracies they don't know the supernatural
01:14:36.260and they're just going to church on sundays and what i find i eventually found is like oh no the
01:14:41.360bible nails this stuff it nails it but that doesn't mean that the average christian knows it
01:14:46.600But what that done, you were just reading the NLT, right? And it's like, dude, it's crazy how much the NLT and it's like, I enjoy it because the language is much more understandable than the King James version. But through all the episodes and conversations and research that we've done, I understand the NLT is like, fundamentally missing a lot. It hides the enemy from you. It's crazy. Like, the NLT reading it is not going to necessarily screw up your relationship with the Lord.
01:15:16.600And it will still preach the gospel to you, you know, as the gospel is met and salvation by grace through faith and, you know, the coming of Christ and what he did for us and all these things, overcoming death, like all of that is still going to be there.
01:15:30.720But understanding the nature of the enemy is like it's like stripped out of it because of the translations and shit.
01:15:38.200so um but what i get to do now is like yeah dude i spent my whole life having these experiences and
01:15:45.320looking into all this occult shit um all of this for me was spurred on when i was a kid
01:15:50.980because of my own experiences i i would talk about them and eventually one of my aunts overheard
01:15:58.540you know saw some of my interest in it and then expressed to me like hey this thing happened to
01:16:03.460your grandma this thing happened here and there yada yada this thing happened to your aunt and
01:16:07.600that became fascinating to me became like the mystery of my family and it caused me to look
01:16:12.880into all of this shit alien abductions and sleep paralysis and the hat man and it led through my
01:16:18.880youth into my adulthood into my the thing that i do now for a living that's how i got here so
01:16:25.100i get to now turn around and talk to people um who have had experiences like us and who have
01:16:32.160you know um have an affinity for the occult or have an affinity for conspiracy theory
01:16:37.220And I get to say, like, hey, dog, I know like I know all the shit that, you know, and sometimes I know it better.
01:16:43.080Sometimes I don't know it as good, but I can speak the same language. Right.
01:16:45.980That's kind of what it is. It's a language. And it's like I know enough that I can have this conversation in that language very well with those people.
01:16:54.120And I can be like, by the way, it all leads to Jesus Christ.
01:16:57.460And I know that sounds crazy because I know people think that the Bible is cringy and Christianity is cringy.
01:17:02.800And that's on purpose. That's on purpose. That's been done on purpose in the West. We've made a surface layer over Christianity that is super gay and super cringy.
01:17:14.040But if you can just hang in there and don't worry about the people, don't worry about the institutions, worry about God, worry about the truth and like actually look at what this thing is saying.
01:17:22.460It talks about it all. It talks about it all. And it makes perfect sense.
01:17:26.980And also, if you need a little convincing, look up the never-ending amount of testimonies of people getting alien abducted and calling on Christ, and it stops.
01:17:37.620People will hear that, and they'll go, oh, no, well, that's just – it's just a thing like – that's just – it's intent, and it's like, no, dude, I've been through all that shit.
01:17:50.260I was a conspiracy theorist who who believed in the supernatural and who saw the occult I could see it in everything it was there very obviously and I didn't come to Christianity till 30 something years old and I'm telling you everything that I understand understood before makes perfect sense through the Christian lens.
01:18:14.220but don't let christians or the church or anything there's nothing wrong with them
01:18:18.460but i'm saying don't look at them as a as they're the truth that's just man those are just dudes
01:18:24.660those are just people that's just a building and you go there and you can worship and you can
01:18:28.740develop a relationship with god but like don't look at that and then think somehow that means
01:18:33.800that the bible's not real and that jesus isn't real like no no it's super real dude it is very
01:18:38.420real that's it that's what i got yeah i think i think nature is the best place to for for worship
01:18:47.420i mean to sit instead of sitting in um in a pew uh listening to a preacher you can be out
01:18:55.460just in a trail or as sit sit in some grass being barefoot or whatever connected to
01:19:01.980what the creator has created and this is my opinion um and i think there's more of a of a
01:19:08.560zen and a connection when you're out there because you're you're visualizing everything
01:19:14.220that he has created as well and you could still sit there with a bible and read it too and you
01:19:20.780know do the thing you don't have to listen to i mean i'm sure you know a sense of community and
01:19:27.420stuff with within the churches is all fun and cool too but i do think that there's a lot of
01:19:33.600there's a section of christians or really any religion that they'll go to their their church on
01:19:42.700on sunday or mosque or whatever and they're listening to somebody tell them the word rather
01:19:49.940than reading it and i feel like there's there's a good portion of people that haven't read it and
01:19:54.800they're just listening to their to their preacher yeah yeah i mean it's one of those things where
01:20:00.120i think it's um what i've learned is there's a more than a few ways to get it and if you are
01:20:07.900if you enter that building let's say and you are earnestly seeking a relationship with god
01:20:14.980god knows that and things will happen like when i started going to my church um i took a break
01:20:22.280for a while because i started to have like um like a distaste for the way you know just like
01:20:27.160the regular church shit like it just felt corny uh is is really like a way to summarize it but
01:20:33.840there would be times and i mean i was you know i could ask my wife about these times where like
01:20:39.720we were talking about something her and i like something was just on my heart or on her heart
01:20:45.500and we're walking you know we'll go for walks together and we'll talk about it and then like
01:20:50.020we'll go to church that week or the next day and the sermon is directly about it and like sometimes
01:20:56.280sometimes scripture can be applied like a general blanket in a way that it can fit a lot of
01:21:03.600different things these times were so insanely insanely pointed insanely pointed that even my
01:21:13.040wife would come away like we wouldn't be talking during it we'd just be listening and afterwards
01:21:16.960and she'd be like, I felt like he was talking directly to you.
01:21:18.980And I'd be like, I know! How crazy was that?
01:21:21.020So, like, if you're seeking God, you're earnestly seeking God,
01:21:25.800he'll use those buildings, he'll use that congregation, he'll use whatever.
01:21:29.320And I think there is something about energy and worship
01:21:32.780when people are all together in one building, all thinking about God,
01:21:36.280and this thing is happening on stage where everything is about God.
01:21:41.200Even if it's a little bit corny, it's still like,
01:21:43.480well everything that happens in there god is on the forefront of everybody's mind that's in there
01:21:49.360so like i do think something special is happening in that building but i also agree like yeah if
01:21:54.380you're in nature it's not just the building i mean you could be in this room right here we do uh
01:21:58.520we do a show called straight bible every tuesday and the the owner of the shop matt boss he he's
01:22:05.300the guy that does the episode i just produce it and i help like pull up and read the scripture
01:22:10.080sometimes just to you know like i'm a co-host so i mean it's been multiple times but there's just
01:22:15.640the last couple times i could remember i'm having a beef with the entire orthodox church go figure
01:22:20.840and we're doing uh we're doing a series on sermon on the mount and it just so happens we're in
01:22:26.400chapter 5 verse 24 or whatever it is and we're talking about the traditions of man and then
01:22:31.160we're pulling up scripture to cross-reference that but matt has already wrote out this uh script or
01:22:37.680he wrote this out months ago and we're just getting around to reading it now but like that
01:22:45.180week i'm arguing with you know higher ups in the cath in the orthodox and probably catholic church
01:22:51.880about their tradition specifically i'm like this is very interesting and like just this last week
01:22:56.680that passed we had a conversation with our boy ed mabry dr mabry right there behind me um and we
01:23:02.800were talking about the nature of God and you know that's always a question and does God know things
01:23:08.500before they happen and things like this was the kind of back and forth that we had with him and
01:23:13.960we weren't sure exactly where we came apart but like again part of the Sermon on the Mount series
01:23:20.020I think it's like chapter 6 verse 5 or whatever it was we're talking about um the knowledge of
01:23:27.160God and we're cross-referencing scripture according to like you know we're going from like numbers to
01:23:32.380genesis and then we're going to first timid and just all these different scriptures and we're
01:23:36.760talking about god knowing things beforehand and what he does and i'm like this is just it's
01:23:42.000fascinating every single time i'm like yeah this is what this is the question and here's the answer
01:23:47.240that's why people say like the bible or like scripture is alive in some ways like it seems to
01:23:52.700be an interactive text yeah like it communicates there's a call and response and what i was telling
01:23:59.720with matt the very interesting thing some of the best like i'm a guitar player so the best guitar
01:24:04.400riffs or guitar lines are all call and response like you have a lead melody and and maybe that's
01:24:10.480the first bar of this solo or the the chorus that you're going to present as this this solo on
01:24:17.700guitar so the first is the melody the second thing is the response so you have a call your response
01:24:22.880and then they do the call again and then the response is going to vary but it's always it's
01:24:27.420like you have to call you have to call and then you have to give that response and then people
01:24:32.640are listening and they're interested and you just you can keep doing that i mean again anybody
01:24:36.860playing any kind of instrument it's that simple a melody slap in the bass that slap at a bass
01:24:42.700a melody and then a respond to that melody and that's exactly what that i mean that's that's
01:24:48.020what god is telling you to do constantly he's like he's there call out and then he responds
01:24:53.660you call he responds and it's just it's fascinating how it works out almost every
01:24:58.360single time in that way it is fascinating it's um i don't i would say like um for me
01:25:10.900i had not only my my son in my ear but i also had uh so many lovely guests um
01:25:19.720saying that they see this this and that and you know i've always been somebody that has
01:25:25.960had struggled with compliments and so like somebody gives me a compliment like yeah whatever
01:25:32.300um and you know um listening to my son talk about scripture and and stuff like that
01:25:40.920shit i forget where i was going with this we're saying it feels like scripture is alive and it
01:25:46.480calls back yeah so um when what what happened uh recently with uh charlie kirk right i didn't
01:25:57.300really know anything about him really i just you know i saw a couple of his videos here and there
01:26:02.400whatever but as soon like i heard heard it on on on a podcast that it had happened like live
01:26:09.140and i was like i i drive for a living so i pull over and i was like no way and i open my phone
01:26:15.580first thing i see is it literally happening yeah and uh and like something in me like vibrated and
01:26:22.780all of a sudden like it became more real and i was like my soul was just like we need to pray
01:26:31.160like for some reason i just felt like i needed to pray right then and there and i've never prayed
01:26:37.280before so like i and then a week later i bought my first bible as an adult you know i had a bible
01:26:45.700when i was a kid like this little like kid bible kind of thing and we decided that we were gonna
01:26:51.860like just go like open it and kind of like pick out a verse because i heard this thing that i
01:26:59.960can't remember who said it to me but just open up the bible and you could put your hand put your
01:27:08.100finger on a random verse and it could it's gonna resonate with you with a current situation and
01:27:15.520that's what we started well we we haven't been doing that lately but we did start doing that
01:27:20.520And you can read the same verse at different moments in your life.
01:27:27.240And it seems to have a different meaning for whatever situation that you're going through.
01:27:46.540I've picked it up and started reading through it again.
01:27:48.420I don't know what the umpteenth time this is, but it's my understanding that you can read through the entire thing and then go through it on a second playthrough and figure out or pull out all sorts of things that you didn't catch the first time around and so on and so forth to the extent that, you know, Matt is still he's been reading it for how long now?
01:28:10.420and he's still pulling out things and ed mabry says the same thing he's been reading it for his
01:28:15.060entire life and still pulls out things that he didn't catch before and i do think like yeah
01:28:20.160there's a situational application that changes the meanings in one way or another that that can
01:28:25.460be the case too but i think also just like uh being aware like one of the we were just reading
01:28:31.300acts five and that's when saul or paul yeah it's saul at the time he's called um and saul was
01:28:39.840murderer he's a murderer of christians and he's on the road to damascus and he's cold and he's
01:28:43.280blinded but it's like oh like that's a yeah great story he he hears jesus and then he's blinded and
01:28:50.260then you know then then he has to be healed and then he comes out on the other side better but
01:28:54.560the story when you read it again and you actually like you don't even have to dissect it just read
01:29:00.280it and go oh shit like didn't i didn't catch that part he's uh he's on the road and other men hear
01:29:07.320the call as well well some do some don't and he hears it and he immediately goes
01:29:14.320uh what do you want lord like yeah i'm here what do you want who are you and it's and it's jesus
01:29:23.080and he's like yo dude you're killing all the christians but the interesting part is that he
01:29:27.460recognizes his voice he doesn't know who he is because he's actively killing people that follow
01:29:32.340him because he think that he thinks that that's the right thing. But again, just like an interesting
01:29:36.960study of like, you could be, you can be in the wrong spot. You could be even doing the wrong
01:29:44.680things up to the point of murdering people that follow Jesus. Right. But you can still know his
01:29:50.960voice. What the hell does that mean? Right. It's like a question that we have to like really
01:29:57.380question we we have to ask ourselves like do number one do i know his voice this guy is so
01:30:04.780in tune with god that he did recognize him and he stops on a dime but he's doing the wrong thing
01:30:12.420entirely until he's turned around and he has to be turned around in a harsh way like he loses his
01:30:17.220eyesight for three days and it's it's kind of brutal for him but yeah it's like little things
01:30:24.220like that as you go back and read the bible it's not just a story there's like okay there's a little
01:30:28.460bit more there yeah that's what i've been learning to do am i listen am i am i listening but not
01:30:34.560obeying right is that is this the lesson here that i need to take from that like i heard you
01:30:39.540but then how about my actions you know and as you read it you have to like constantly reflect like
01:30:45.400okay what happened here that's the other thing too is you have to look at it like um i think a lot of
01:30:51.760us look at it as like tradition and um some people are comfortable looking at more as like allegory
01:30:58.740but if you read it like these are real people and real events that happen and then make an attempt
01:31:04.700to humanize them that's one of the things that um our buddy ed mabry does really well he was
01:31:10.660talking about the story of cain and abel and it's very short in genesis the story of cain and abel
01:31:15.820Like, it's super short. It just basically says that Eve had two sons and one was given, you know, to herd the sheep and the other one was given to to work the land.
01:31:25.460And, you know, Abel gave his sacrifices, his offerings to the Lord and the Lord was pleased.
01:31:31.340And when Cain, well, when Cain gave it, he was not pleased.
01:31:36.480And and this upset Cain and then God's like, you know, why? Why are you upset? You shouldn't be upset.
01:31:42.000No, so it's actually the other way around, because Cain is the one that does the sacrifices.
01:31:45.400He's in charge of the animals, and God wanted the animal sacrifice.
01:31:50.000And when he gave it, God's not happy with it.
01:32:09.520But the point is that one gives the offering first, and then it's rejected, and then the second gives the offering, and then he says that one's good.
01:32:16.680But Ed was making the point that Cain was the offering guy.
01:32:19.980He's the guy that gives the offering, and God only knows how long they've been doing it, and they've been doing this offering in order to get back into Eden.
01:32:26.780That's the promise since they were kicked out.
01:32:29.060They were promised the Messiah, so this is like, again, a shade of Jesus Christ to come.
01:32:33.080so you you can imagine his mother telling him well you're the oldest you're the guy that's
01:32:39.560going to give the sacrifice you're the special boy so god's going to accept this and you're
01:32:44.420going to get us back into here just keep doing your thing and he gives a sacrifice and one day
01:32:48.980god's like no that's not good yeah it's not good because you're going through you're doing a vain
01:32:53.820repetition you're doing this uh tradition of man this is a it's like a shadowing of
01:32:58.900of the church of the formalities of the church these cold dead formalities that you see and
01:33:05.180this is like what we kind of take with religion why people when they look at it they go i'm not
01:33:08.840doing that shit that looks retarded you know these guys are just passing around a basket and
01:33:13.040saying the same words over and over again yeah and that's kind of this is what cain is doing
01:33:17.600at that point so again it's very short scripture but when you look into and you look at the history
01:33:22.380and you start to extrapolate on what these things say and read the hebrew and the translations of
01:33:27.040what was actually said you can you can understand this story a little bit better rather than
01:33:31.440he was just jealous of his brother yeah so he killed him it's like there's a lot more than that
01:33:35.960but this is what what ed does he's like imagine this it's adam and eve in the garden the serpent
01:33:41.740deceives eve the serpent's cursed adam and eve are cursed and god says that the seed of the woman so
01:33:49.780the offspring of eve is going to crush the head of the offspring of this serpent so there's a
01:33:56.360prophecy right it's like okay this is bad now we've been casted out we've been cursed but we're
01:34:01.320gonna win yeah it's all good because we're gonna win there's no mention of like 8 000 years later
01:34:06.960yeah when this see like jesus christ is the descendant of eve yeah but they're thinking
01:34:12.660cain and abel the first generation of sons they have surely one of these two dudes is going to
01:34:19.420make this right and fill the prophecy and it's got to be the dude that's the one that's giving
01:34:23.480the sacrifices to god right so when that shit doesn't work like yeah that explains why he loses
01:34:29.180his fucking marbles yeah like he lost his mind god's telling his brother he's like he's like i
01:34:33.920see what you're about to do you should calm down chill out bitch yeah i know what you're gonna like
01:34:38.540just rethink that and he's like no no no no and he goes and he puts his brother in the field and
01:34:43.660he kills him because mom's been raising him for all these years saying you're the one that's going
01:34:47.800to fulfill the prophecy that's going to get us back into the garden even was promised to you
01:34:52.900three thousand years ago yeah just throw that down the line to what jews are doing today and
01:34:56.560you're like huh it's all the same it's the same shit but we're doing it too right we all have
01:35:00.940that special boy but it's great man to take those dudes and make them humans instead of just fucking
01:35:07.060stories in a book like to look at this and be like okay yeah yeah so so she's promising like
01:35:13.240or or like so my understanding was always so he off he sacrificed this and it wasn't good and the
01:35:19.680other guy sacrificed that and that was good it was like what the what do you mean like that so
01:35:23.840god values one over the other and it's no it's it's not that but then you look at that and you
01:35:28.700go that's fucking stupid and then you go the whole thing's stupid like there's so many instances that
01:35:33.260and i think that's really like you know we're talking about the nlt right the new living
01:35:36.300translation which is like crazy to even use the word living like you look at that translation and
01:35:41.440it's so many of the words have been translated to these really hebrew and greek words have like a
01:35:47.960shit ton of different meanings for one word. And they all apply. They're super dynamic. And then
01:35:54.120like modern English words are like paper thin in comparison to it. So it looks dumb and reduced
01:36:00.340and reductive and almost nonsensical. Look up the definition of the word repented in the Old
01:36:06.460Testament in Hebrew. It means like to be comforted. It means to be sorry. It means to make amends for
01:36:11.720me. It means like 15 things. And it's like, well, God repented. I said, so what does that mean?
01:36:17.800you look it up as like could could mean anything at this point yeah like how do we how do we apply
01:36:22.240this well we have to go contextually situation by situation what happened but like that idea of uh
01:36:28.040cain and abel in the garden there and uh the offering is again it's like shadowed again it's
01:36:33.720like you can go to the new testament where jesus is telling the parable of the old lady that gives
01:36:38.300her penny or whatever it's called versus the the guys that are giving you know a hundred times the
01:36:44.400amount. And he's like, but look at this lady. She gave everything that she had. And that's what,
01:36:49.100that's the offering that is acceptable to God. So then you go back to the Cain and Abel story,
01:36:53.860you're like, yeah, Cain is going through the motions. He's going through the motions. This
01:36:58.580no longer means anything. It's rejected by God. And, you know, the story goes on from there,
01:37:04.400but we do that all the time too. And it's crazy because I'm looking at it here. Like the story
01:37:08.400of Cain and Abel is you see Genesis 4 1 to uh Genesis what 4 4 17 that's it and by the time
01:37:19.820you get to 4 17 which is not a lot of words not a lot of words it's very very short they're on to
01:37:24.980like and Cain had a wife and and she conceived Enoch and they built a city and and they're
01:37:30.200already moving on Cain's already been cast out he's already had a city he's in Nod and he's got
01:37:35.560a wife and he's having a kid the whole thing is like such a short which is also something i didn't
01:37:40.660know from the outside looking in before i was ever christian you know these stories everybody
01:37:44.120knows cain and abel everybody knows the garden it's like fucking these things are so briefly
01:37:49.420mentioned but i think greek and hebrew were such um like fucking unbelievable languages
01:37:57.320so like they had numerical values attributed to them their their alphabet was synonymous with
01:38:03.100their numbers and every word had such a vast uh and and and complicated meaning or not complicated
01:38:10.020but complex meaning that like yeah in that short amount of time from genesis 4 1 to 4 16 a lot of
01:38:17.440information is conveyed but it does not look like it it does not look like it because of the way
01:38:21.640that we read and because of the way that our language is it looks like there's nothing there
01:38:26.340but there's so much there these guys are 20 like no i think they were like 80 yeah some shit going
01:38:31.580on here yeah man it's just it's it's fascinating it's fun to look at and it's always something new
01:38:35.860but we have managed to water it down and make it very gay very gay that's what we like to do around
01:38:43.080here yeah yeah everything make everything down and make it fucking gay it's pride month dog like
01:38:48.520we told you at the beginning come on now exactly um there's so i heard one of the ways that some
01:38:55.840people like to make the bible a thing of tomfoolery is that they they use the word
01:39:03.520unicorn in it um and i haven't found it yet but apparently the there's there's a mention of a
01:39:12.520unicorn in the bible and in the 80s in the encyclopedia unicorn not only did it did mean
01:39:21.600the mythical creature but it also meant rhinoceros which makes sense for the area that the the bible
01:39:28.940takes place in for a rhino to be present in one of the stories dude i'd say what the unicorn thing
01:39:35.960is is actually really weird too because we ended up doing an episode where through the extra
01:39:41.100canonical texts somehow or another it's derived that the nephilim uh rode unicorns or some shit
01:39:47.420like that into battle well you'll see that on the seals of some of these ancient families as well
01:39:51.620yeah unicorn and the unicorn is synonymous with the antichrist or the beast and and it's in children
01:39:58.180memorabilia everywhere the reason that it even became fascinating to me is because there was
01:40:03.100this time where all of a sudden while they're pushing all the lgbtq shit they're pushing like
01:40:08.000unicorns and rainbows right alongside it and i'm like that's really fascinating like why has the
01:40:13.140unicorn become in some ways the unspoken gay mascot for children and then something else
01:40:20.960happened shortly after that where it was the axolotl and if you if anybody has little kids
01:40:25.900out there you'll notice that it's there's a big axolotl push and that's because of transhumanism
01:40:30.740axolotls have the ability to regenerate entire limbs and organs and shit like that and so they're
01:40:36.300using them right now feverishly in all this research to determine how to activate the dormant
01:40:42.260gene and human beings that can result in regenerating limbs and organs just like the
01:40:46.400axolotl does and then as they're doing that all of a sudden they're pushing in the toy industry
01:40:51.640and and all these other things for babies axolotl everything's axolotl so like there's these weird
01:40:56.520little things they slip in there the unicorn was one of them and then i bought it up on a show one
01:41:00.800day and our guest might have been ed mabry was like actually yeah there's something there it's
01:41:04.940interesting you should say that because it's a symbol associated with the antichrist and i'm
01:41:08.140like fucking a man of course it is so like yeah we get to scoff at unicorns makes a lot of sense
01:41:14.500well it seems like so in num i'm looking at it here but in numbers it's mentioned in connotation
01:41:18.700with egypt a bunch of times and if you want to go like get real crazy about some of this
01:41:22.700transhumanist mixing stuff oh yeah egypt was doing this like nephilim shit yeah nephilim shit
01:41:27.980specifically at around the time of moses so numbers 23 22 there is where uh it talks about
01:41:34.260the strength of a unicorn and god brought them out of egypt it might have been something that was
01:41:40.000like uh what would you call that like a some sort of a hybrid animal some maybe something created
01:41:46.020i don't know i don't know yeah around this time period in egypt they were very comfortable and
01:41:51.800familiar with shit being weird like you know we're talking about the plagues right like they're like
01:41:57.580yeah your firstborn son's dead uh yeah there's locusts yeah the water turned like blood red
01:42:02.560and people were still like yeah cool whatever you know there had to be 12 of these Moses throws
01:42:09.060down a rod and then his guys throw down a rod they both turn into snakes but one eats the other
01:42:13.040and they're like oh shit his snake like that was normal that's normal in Egypt at the time so yeah
01:42:18.380yeah there's things going on that it's more fascinating than we understand that's when
01:42:22.440when people scoff at that too it's like okay so you've never had a cryptid experience or you've
01:42:27.400never uh heard somebody who encountered you know an upright man dog some sort of werewolf creature
01:42:33.960you've never in cat like once you hear enough of that shit i'm like yeah i'm fine with a fucking
01:42:38.620unicorn i just seen a fucking german shepherd chihuahua okay what are we talking yeah it was
01:42:45.180a chihuahua that looks like a german shepherd that actually sounds pretty cool how does that
01:42:48.840happen it's just like this is what nothing new under the sun an abomination to god though yeah
01:42:53.200but everyone's like that's cute that's cool it's like i don't know there's shit out there like
01:42:56.280ligers i mean they're making yeah lizard people lizard people in a lab somewhere this fucking
01:43:01.420matt gates comes out and says there's an entire hybridization program taking place in these deep
01:43:05.500underground military bases and now all of a sudden it's all that congressman anna paulina
01:43:09.980luna wants to talk about or um uh what's the other lauren bober you know they're literally
01:43:15.800about to do a big fake and gay alien disclosure to scoff at the idea of unicorns have you seen
01:43:21.380a narwhal dog yeah it's a whale unicorn i i don't have any problems with unicorn it doesn't even
01:43:28.180uh remotely move the the the the the meter on my radar you know i i don't care at all about that
01:43:35.160i actually find it kind of cool i think they're i think they're cooler from what they're described
01:43:38.940in the bible they're probably cooler than the gay shit that we see oh yeah that's what i'm saying
01:43:42.800it's all been like i don't think they had rainbow manes and you know uh like hearts on their ass
01:43:47.500cheeks or anything like that in fact if they did exist that means a couple of dudes throughout
01:43:51.680history were gored to death by one sick that's kind of sure that's kind of cool most likely
01:43:58.060yes all right new podcast named death by unicorn death by unicorn is actually a banger i i hereby
01:44:03.520a movie actually is it really yes i want to start a petition for uh making unicorns hardcore again
01:44:10.860it's a horror movie with paul red and um jenna ortega really shit yeah look at that that's so
01:44:18.660funny i think they nailed it look look they nailed the unicorn probably what it was i see
01:44:22.700it's like a ferocious looking beast somebody getting gored by it sometimes these movies
01:44:27.200literally talking about like consent and stuff like that things that they're putting they always
01:44:34.100in the movie they're using the blood of the unicorn to make uh the the heir of this mansion
01:44:43.900younger there you go so we have this idea of uh the chrome the chrome yeah they they do tell you
01:44:50.940they have to tell you somehow i don't know if they have to tell you or if they really like telling
01:44:55.320they like telling you and also the the most interesting stories are those things because
01:44:59.460they're like truths about reality that have been stripped away from our understanding so when
01:45:05.420they're reintroduced through fiction they resonate on some genetic level like we look at that as
01:45:10.540humans and we go like i don't know why but i really enjoyed that it's because you enjoy the
01:45:14.500truth and that was part of reality at some point yeah all the superhero movies oh you enjoy movies
01:45:19.740about men of renown heroes of old yeah all right i see what's going on here check out genesis 6
01:45:24.820dummy yeah yeah yep every once in a while we'll be watching a movie and i'll be sitting there and
01:45:30.700i'll be like i don't consent that's the other thing too i i've gotten to this point now where
01:45:37.340it's um it is rough to watch a movie with me yeah i don't consent to any of it but i enjoy the slop
01:45:43.080yeah i enjoy looking for all the like the the hidden subliminal messages and the symbols and
01:45:48.820all this crap in the background i don't look for it i do i let it like like you ever see the meme
01:45:53.500of the girl with the hot dog oh yeah yeah that's the the goyslop watching the movies as it bounces
01:45:58.120off your face and i go give me more of that that was cool delicious delicious goyslop
01:46:01.860oh man all right guys so uh i'm taking up a bunch of your time today but um if you guys don't mind
01:46:12.860um i do have a really important question that i like to ask at the end of every episode and that
01:46:19.800is um are you guys finding fulfillment in doing what you do this is like the team version of our
01:46:26.280show how dare you very interesting we have a question we don't always ask it kevin you bitch
01:46:30.620kevin you've been watching uh we don't always ask it but we like to ask people if they're having
01:46:34.420fun yeah and he did that but he did it in like a more meaningful way no he did it in a way that's
01:46:39.220not copyright infringement oh touche yeah yeah right so uh fulfillment yeah dude it's like he
01:46:44.820They added the itty-bitty ting, you know, to, like, the vanilla ice shit.