Nephilim Death Squad - Confessions of an Illuminati w⧸ Leo Zagami

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00:02:49.420 us today is leo zagami and this is going to be a really fun conversation leo's uh research is i

00:02:57.000 mean it's kind of at the core of our favorite stuff here on nephilim death squad but before

00:03:01.620 we get into that uh leo let's talk about where people can find you and and what it is that you

00:03:07.180 focus on well you can find me on leozagami.com with all my latest articles as i'm an investigative

00:03:13.720 journalist as well as an author and like you said they focus on topics that are

00:03:19.120 very familiar to you I actually started 20 years ago in 2006 with my confession

00:03:26.620 of Confessions of an Illuminati first on the internet and then later in a series

00:03:31.720 of books that were published all over the world the starting in Japan and like I

00:03:37.120 said they focus on my own experience not only on my research because up until

00:03:42.220 that year i was within the fold of what you commonly refer to as the illuminati and then

00:03:48.620 after i exposed my prior friendship and collaboration with these people because i

00:03:57.980 arrived to a point of realization in 2006 that there was no way of reforming things from within

00:04:06.140 i tried though even later when i went back to italy but then i was eventually forced to

00:04:12.380 flee the country in 2019 and to relocate here in california incredible what a what a roller coaster

00:04:19.580 you've described there leo i mean there's so much that i want to get into with you and you know as

00:04:24.860 it pertains to your research especially we talked a little bit before the show started of course you

00:04:30.300 know the alien disclosure and what a fascinating time it is to be alive and to be bearing witness

00:04:34.940 to this thing as it unfolds but i have to just i got to hear at least a little bit i'm sure it's

00:04:40.300 something you've discussed a lot but this idea of previously having been in the folds of what

00:04:44.860 people were commonly referring to as the the illuminati um i mean i you know i i don't know

00:04:52.780 where to start on that i i think one of the first questions that popped up in my mind was generally

00:04:57.340 we'll hear a lot of like people are in freemasonry yes but when you say you're in the illuminati and

00:05:02.900 And you're also in Italy, living in Rome at the time.

00:05:06.320 Is this like the belly of the beast?

00:05:07.720 What exactly are we talking about?

00:05:09.020 Well, we're talking about a country that, as you know, has a very conflictual relation

00:05:15.740 with Freemasonry due to the P2 Lodge scandal.

00:05:18.740 I was part of the P2 Lodge in Monte Carlo, where in 1999, we founded our own branch of

00:05:24.700 the Illuminati called the Ordi Illuminatorum Universalis.

00:05:28.160 And soon after, another branch was built and established by the former Grand Master of

00:05:33.660 Reminson, Giuliano Di Bernardo in Rome, known as the Academy of the Illuminati.

00:05:37.920 I can say that this is real, because these are real people.

00:05:42.260 When I do my books, I focus on the facts rather than the speculations.

00:05:47.420 So I give photos, documents, and what I try to debunk is that idea that the Illuminati

00:05:55.040 is simply a myth or a legend.

00:05:57.160 Of course, the Illuminati as Adam Bishop created in its original format didn't last that long,

00:06:04.040 but then there was a series of influence secret societies that sprang up from that idea

00:06:10.680 that Freemasonry could be met with something different, something that could actually

00:06:15.800 influence even more the geopolitical scenario and that's why from that point onwards you have

00:06:22.040 a lot of political secret societies. You see secret societies can have different aims

00:06:27.160 And in my Confessions of an Illuminati series, which I completed the last year, after many years, with volume 12, I went directly to the apex of this pyramid, there where you have the so-called all-seeing eye of the situation, and that's where the Jesuits reside, together with the Sabbatean Frankists, who then influence everything that goes under this pyramid, which includes think tanks, branches of Freemasonry,

00:06:57.160 branches of various secret societies, because Freemasonry is of course not a secret society.

00:07:02.720 You have the symbol on every town you go here in the United States.

00:07:05.840 But the kind of Freemasonry that you have here is very different from what we have back

00:07:10.880 in Europe.

00:07:11.940 Back in Europe is connected to the aristocracy, to the royal families, it's a completely different

00:07:17.440 ballgame because it's also connected to the knighthoods, which are also connected in turn

00:07:22.520 the church and my experience with the illuminati started in 1993 when i got

00:07:30.040 inducted into this reality by a family friend prince aliata di monte reale who was also a

00:07:36.680 freemason because most illuminati are also freemasons however then there is a big difference

00:07:44.440 between real illuminati and all these fake nigerian scams that you find online in the last few years

00:07:51.800 i mean they even took my name and even threatened my own publisher when i published my first book

00:07:58.680 here in america saying we're going to publish it in nigeria now you want 300 or we're going

00:08:03.480 to publish it without the authorization dollars okay so so that is really the mentality but um

00:08:13.960 for my own experience of course it was once i started to reveal things very difficult because

00:08:20.360 i was based in norway in 2006 soon after i started my website which was closed down and then i had

00:08:29.640 to move to another website the intelligence services threatened me up until the point of

00:08:34.760 being arrested for espionage in 2008 so it wasn't a joke i mean i ended up with an accusation of

00:08:41.480 espionage all my assets frozen for two years i had to i was forced to go back to italy and

00:08:48.200 And because at the time I had been betrayed by my then first wife, who, of course, preferred to, you know, go with the money and with the power rather than staying with somebody who was opposing the system.

00:09:02.220 However, with my current wife, we went to Japan.

00:09:04.480 I signed my first book deal, which then led to a series of book deals around the world.

00:09:09.680 It wasn't easy, though, especially in Italy, when I started to publish my books.

00:09:14.280 The Vatican immediately sent a secret service to offer me to desist from my intention.

00:09:21.080 But I went on. I carried on.

00:09:23.100 So anyway, in the end, like I said, I had to eventually flee Italy.

00:09:27.180 And nowadays I'm a naturalized American citizen.

00:09:30.520 Let me ask you, Leo, do you think that the timing of all of this happening to you and your ability to speak on it,

00:09:35.700 It sounds to me like something that would not have been possible even if this whole timeline was pushed back by 10 years.

00:09:44.300 It seems like we're in an era right now where a lot of things that were previously coveted secrets are being allowed.

00:09:51.440 And maybe it's not so much that they're being allowed, maybe with the development of the Internet.

00:09:56.080 Of course, it's very different now.

00:09:58.320 When I started 20 years ago, it wasn't very different.

00:10:00.440 Like I said, imagine when I started my first blog after two months, I had actually the PST, the Norwegian FBI, coming to my door, isolating me and my then wife and then threatening me to take the kids.

00:10:13.880 I mean, it wasn't a joke.

00:10:15.100 When I started this, there was a series of threats.

00:10:17.640 I was arrested.

00:10:18.540 I was tortured.

00:10:20.120 In Italy, they broke down from my door.

00:10:24.040 My present wife was interrogated with the lights pointed at her more than once like a criminal.

00:10:30.840 So, I mean, it's like things have changed now, of course, where we are in a different year in 2026.

00:10:37.840 But it's also true that people like me who have been doing this for 20 years and 20 years ago, there was not many people talking about these issues.

00:10:46.340 have noticed that with the over popularization of certain subjects comes also the superficiality

00:10:54.660 and also the tendency from people to not take these matters very seriously, which is not really

00:11:00.460 a good thing. So I continue with my books, which become then a depository of real knowledge

00:11:07.460 regarding these matters rather than simply spreading them through the internet, because

00:11:12.060 the attention span on the internet is limited however we know that the rich want people not

00:11:19.440 to read any longer while they in silicon valley you know threaten their kids with going on the

00:11:26.220 internet or they even don't give a mobile phone until they are 14 to their own children and they

00:11:31.120 sell them to the world of school for a specific kind of education we have instead the majority

00:11:36.420 of the population being dumbed down by the EI, which is encouraged even at the university level. 0.99

00:11:43.220 So the level of stupidity and superficiality is growing amongst the new generations, 1.00

00:11:48.900 and this is very frightening. 1.00

00:11:50.320 So I always advise people to choose a book rather than to choose the superficiality

00:11:55.380 of simply accepting my book presentation or an article as the final result.

00:12:01.640 Because when I went into this, you know, making this book and I spent, of course, years of research and then six months for laying the whole thing out, I did it with the help of the CUN, which is the Italian Centro Ufologico Nazionale and Roberto Pinotti, who is one of the most eminent ufologists in the planet, who was also even invited in Washington and in front of Congress.

00:12:28.000 So, I mean, he's a guy who has a lot of previous, you know, also experiences, even direct experiences with these beings, but at the same time, he's a serious researcher.

00:12:43.160 In fact, last year he was a special guest in the Sol Foundation, which is now this new organization that the CAA has created to prepare for disclosure and post-disclosure.

00:12:56.840 There is people like Gary Nolan, people like Pete Skedfish, people like Professor Pazurka.

00:13:03.440 These people are all gatekeepers.

00:13:05.840 And so my book is actually about explaining how David Grasch is a gatekeeper, how Louis

00:13:11.040 Salisone is a gatekeeper and who are their handlers and how the whole thing is handled

00:13:15.080 by the Jesuits.

00:13:16.500 This has been a huge issue for us because we've been watching the development of this

00:13:21.840 and and we've received quite a bit of uh criticism for our resistance to sort of the lou elizandos

00:13:29.280 of it all right um i look at these people as whether or not they're gatekeepers i'd be

00:13:34.080 interested in talking about that but at the very least these are people who may be um if i was

00:13:39.600 being gracious unwitting um foolish pawns in this entire thing they're facilitating uh a government 0.93

00:13:47.040 back. They're not foolish ponds 1.00

00:13:48.960 because Luis Elizondo is not a foolish ponds. 0.95

00:13:50.960 He's a very calculated guy. He's a military. 0.96

00:13:53.440 He's a gray fox. He's

00:13:54.720 a guy who knows exactly

00:13:56.900 what he's doing. I'm a former military.

00:13:59.260 So I'm a former Air Force guy

00:14:00.860 from the Italian Air Force. So I can tell

00:14:02.960 you that these people are not

00:14:04.940 just there speaking about

00:14:06.880 things in a free way.

00:14:08.800 They are very calibrated.

00:14:10.560 Elizondo has admitted that he has security clearance

00:14:12.980 every time he opens his mouth just as

00:14:14.780 David Grasch. So we're not talking

00:14:16.800 about people like from the grassroots ufologic movement of the 70s or 80s that by the way we

00:14:23.900 discover in the end we're all infiltrated because there is no grassroots movement in this field

00:14:29.660 there is always been a interest by the authorities to control the narrative

00:14:35.160 so i i would agree with that we we kind of just skirt around it because we had some uh

00:14:41.820 we just had some like run-ins with these people and kind of thought that they were full of 0.97

00:14:46.760 shit and it it ends up to the point where uh we just go okay hey you know what maybe you don't 1.00

00:14:53.880 but i have my own personal belief you know i think that it's not the problem if they're full of shit 1.00

00:14:59.600 or not is that they are giving you truth in droplets in in little portions they are uh of 0.98

00:15:06.800 course limited in what they can say i'm not saying also that their intentions are necessarily evil

00:15:11.560 because if you are, you know, connected to a national security clearance

00:15:15.820 of an upper level, you have to simply do your job.

00:15:19.220 But having said that, there is this hunger for truth

00:15:24.560 that I noticed this year.

00:15:27.300 I didn't go to contact in the desert, which takes place here in Palm Springs,

00:15:31.140 but I didn't know deliberately because I was exposing these people in my book

00:15:35.480 and I didn't see myself current in going there and face them.

00:15:38.300 So I said to my previous publisher who was there,

00:15:40.920 don't bother

00:15:41.800 the thing is when I see people like

00:15:44.780 Jacques Vallée, people like

00:15:46.620 Jeremy Corbett, people

00:15:48.060 like George Knapp, these people

00:15:50.880 have had some

00:15:53.100 you know, level

00:15:54.820 of compromise in order to achieve

00:15:57.080 their position, like Jacques

00:15:58.800 Vallée is viewed like the ultimate

00:16:00.680 you know, ufologist, alternative

00:16:03.200 figure that has been

00:16:04.880 there for a long, guys

00:16:06.020 he is the bigger investor in startups, the guy is

00:16:08.780 a billionaire almost, the guy has

00:16:10.900 made money on reverse engineering all the way the reverse engineering of the legacy program is

00:16:16.580 actually bringing him cash in his pocket so it's obvious that these people can only tell you

00:16:22.500 certain things and they obviously eclipse on others and that's why this book wants to ultimately

00:16:28.260 bring you the real puppet master of it all which is the the vatican jesuit astronomers who have

00:16:32.980 been there for hundreds of years leading this sector the ones who actually brought astronomy

00:16:39.140 to the chinese the ones who have created the first observatory almost 500 years ago with the first

00:16:46.420 collegium romanum in rome back in the days and then now are directing one of the biggest observatories

00:16:54.740 in mount graham in arizona so this is the reality it's not the speculation so when i go into this

00:17:02.020 book and i expose these people like al putoff i'll put off the guy from the stargate program 0.98

00:17:07.540 who everybody's like revering when he's on the age of disclosure the guy's the biggest scumbag

00:17:12.380 you know he's classifying reality he's limiting our access to reality and so i don't have any 0.97

00:17:19.680 good words for these people they are on my black list not even on a gray list

00:17:24.060 so let's talk about that because the the age of disclosure was something i had a huge problem with

00:17:30.240 it was a lot of the same regurgitated things that people in this field of research have been

00:17:35.960 familiarized with for a long time and so in that way it looked as if it was preparing the public

00:17:40.040 with government approved talking points you know to say i'm a naval official i've been here for 30

00:17:44.960 years i've seen these things i'm an air force you know all this if you think about it all this

00:17:49.260 came from the 1990s where we started to have this kind of whistleblowers from the academic

00:17:54.500 and military field popping up as the voices of reason in this whole topic yeah yeah so trust

00:18:02.380 trust the experts right that's exactly what is that foundation and trust the experts and trust

00:18:06.860 science it sounds a little bit like the pandemic that is exactly what we the impression that we

00:18:12.400 got watching the documentary but my main concern like propaganda slop it was they say one thing

00:18:17.800 on that document which is a real thing that i one of the few things i completely agree with

00:18:24.020 at one point they admitted that the vatican knows it all and that is one of the rare honest i think

00:18:31.540 admissions that was done by a former CA agent in the documentary because the rest of it might

00:18:38.260 be garbage and of course typical you know whistleblower scenario with a few politicians

00:18:44.660 mixed in and the whole thing you know trying to admit things but in a very veiled way without 0.95

00:18:51.460 really showing anything but when you have the legacy program and you have people of course like

00:18:59.380 like Grouche, Farah, and the Age of Disclosure,

00:19:02.260 they are completely in with the narrative.

00:19:07.060 So you can't really blame them if they're doing simply their job.

00:19:11.620 But you have to build, like you are doing with your show,

00:19:15.740 a critical thinking.

00:19:18.460 And so when the Age of Disclosure says that specific phrase,

00:19:22.140 the Vatican has irrefutable evidence

00:19:24.740 that non-human intelligence exists,

00:19:26.980 which is stated by the former CIA operative whistleblower, John Criaco, I think.

00:19:31.760 Well, it's that moment that makes us understand who really knows it all.

00:19:38.440 And they tell you, but then they move on.

00:19:42.040 You know, it's like, okay, yes, the Vatican knows it all.

00:19:44.380 Let's go to the next subject.

00:19:46.420 We are like, what do you mean the Vatican knows it all?

00:19:49.820 So when I say that premise, the Vatican knows it all,

00:19:53.080 okay, I'm going to tell you what the Vatican knows

00:19:54.880 and what has been knowing for the last 2,000 years.

00:19:56.980 so throughout all of this you know soft disclosure i mean i guess it's pretty aggressive at this

00:20:02.440 point we hear quite a bit about engineering technology it's still soft but i mean we're

00:20:07.540 ramping up it's more aggressive than it previously has been at least from the government side but

00:20:12.140 but then that aggressive mixed up with the psyop that is never ending and with people like

00:20:17.940 Javi Loeb being nominated as the new head of the US government

00:20:25.840 to resolve the UAP Mystery Advisory Council, the science.

00:20:29.380 But I mean, Loeb is another gatekeeper.

00:20:32.380 The guy was recruited when he was only 18 years old

00:20:35.580 in the Israeli Defense Forces Elite Talpia program.

00:20:39.360 The guy is an asset of the Israeli intelligence.

00:20:42.860 And you put an asset of the Israeli intelligence

00:20:45.660 heading something that is supposed to be from the united states for the united states yeah

00:20:51.480 so let me let me ask you something i don't and i want to step on you david no go ahead

00:20:55.840 where exactly is the psyop because we cover this it's i mean it's just almost every day at least

00:21:01.820 every week they're doing more ufo disclosure you have uh rep luna coming out saying this and that

00:21:06.820 i would love to know his thoughts on rep luna by the way yeah she's an interesting character

00:21:10.940 another guy matt gates is saying there's an alien breeding program it's like okay cool we have the

00:21:14.560 Epstein Files. I address all these things in my book, by the way, and everything you have this

00:21:19.640 discussed. Okay, well, perfect. I have to read the book. But if you can give us a brief breakdown,

00:21:24.960 in your opinion, what is the specific PSYOP? Because it's laced with truth. I think that

00:21:30.360 a lot of these things are true, but there is a lie that they want us to believe because they

00:21:35.000 want us to move in a certain direction. Okay, first of all, the first lie, 79, 80 years of

00:21:41.740 cover-up. In reality, that is already a lie, because the cover-up starts from 1933 in northern

00:21:46.960 Italy, between the towns of Magento and Bergate, with the first UFO recovery, the direction that

00:21:53.180 was given by Mussolini to Guillermo Marconi, the actual retrieval UFO that was eventually given

00:22:00.460 to the U.S. authorities by the Pope Pius XII intervention with Marconi, and then just after

00:22:07.240 the war when they of course lose the war the Hitler and Mussolini could have actually changed 0.76

00:22:13.480 the course of the war with that first reverse engineering that produced the very early death 0.52

00:22:18.360 ray that Marconi had invented so that is already you know a hint that they are not really giving

00:22:25.480 you the whole then there is always this you know of course they publish lights orbs this and that

00:22:32.920 but they're not telling you about the reverse engineering program about the bodies they have

00:22:36.840 the experiments you know when they actually admit that they have these beings in a lab

00:22:42.920 interacting and and starting to learn our language and we learn out their language what kind of

00:22:49.880 psychic powers they have at times superiors to us there is different races of course there is

00:22:55.960 demonic there is the angelic so it goes beyond the whole nepheline thing that's for sure but there

00:23:02.200 is also the Nephilim thing then you know the Nephilim thing in itself it's theologically

00:23:08.280 something that the orthodox interpret in one way the evangelicals in another the Catholic

00:23:12.760 tradition is the Catholic progressive in one another then you have the orthodox russian

00:23:17.800 it becomes then a competing of of people who are making presumptions because nobody really knows

00:23:25.400 the truth if they haven't experienced it so it's like yes i think the angels have

00:23:31.720 the possibility of mating with women because they have a sexuality.

00:23:35.320 Then the other big priest with the beard comes and says,

00:23:38.260 no, that is impossible.

00:23:40.120 They can't mate.

00:23:40.940 It will be like mating, you know, a horse with a donkey

00:23:44.300 and you will make a mule with no offspring.

00:23:46.600 And so then the debate goes on and on and on.

00:23:50.660 And these debates remind me of early debates of the fathers of the church.

00:23:54.040 I mean, there were debates that today would be regarded as completely,

00:23:57.920 you know, futile, I mean, completely demented.

00:24:00.520 I mean who will spend a whole book of a thousand pages talking about the sexuality of angels?

00:24:09.960 Then it was something like like when I was a kid that made like I explained in my book

00:24:15.240 there was a movie in Italy that was a comedy movie but very well done about the medieval times you

00:24:20.760 know and then there was this sage that these guys were going to the saint saint guy who was living

00:24:25.800 and he says

00:24:28.280 so are you coming here to debate

00:24:30.360 the sexuality of the angels

00:24:32.460 okay and then he takes out

00:24:34.560 like a couple of volumes this

00:24:36.480 big and throws them to them and I'm like

00:24:38.380 oh my god so we're back to that

00:24:40.400 point now when

00:24:42.420 it comes down to the politicians the politicians

00:24:44.600 are informed on a need to know basis

00:24:46.740 they are basically puppets in the

00:24:48.580 hands of the system we have 1.00

00:24:50.560 Paulina Luna who is dishonest from the 1.00

00:24:52.580 start about even her own upbringing

00:24:54.640 when she said, I am a Messianic Jew, then the family intervened, no, she's not.

00:25:01.280 Probably her grandfather was a Nazi, and then the whole thing sounds like out of a playbook 0.87

00:25:06.700 of Sabbatean Frankists who are trying to hide their roots. 0.73

00:25:11.620 So Paulina Luna has, of course, hinted on the Book of Enoch, and suddenly a lot of interest

00:25:19.520 on the Book of Enoch that already Timothy Alberino, of course, has been following for years.

00:25:23.300 I had Timothy Alberino in Rome with me, interviewing even a friend of the late Zacharias Sitchin and making some incredible admission, which I actually bring in this book also. So about the nature of the collaboration between Zacharias Sitchin and the Vatican.

00:25:40.700 and Timothy Alberino himself

00:25:43.560 after I brought him to the Jesuit headquarters

00:25:45.960 we managed to get him

00:25:47.580 filming there using

00:25:48.660 an escamotage, it was all an adventure

00:25:51.660 really with Timothy and Ron

00:25:52.880 but then his life was threatened

00:25:55.000 he went in front of the cameras

00:25:57.480 of the guys

00:25:59.440 those evangelicals who have that

00:26:01.500 TV channel, I don't remember exactly

00:26:03.680 their name, but he went there

00:26:05.420 and said that during the night

00:26:07.520 they attempted to

00:26:08.740 poisoned the whole family after he came back

00:26:11.680 from Rome. Wow.

00:26:13.500 Are you talking about Prophecy Watchers?

00:26:15.760 Yes. He went to

00:26:17.240 Prophecy Watchers and the

00:26:19.460 car exhaust of his car was put on

00:26:21.440 while they were asleep.

00:26:23.020 You can find this on another episode.

00:26:26.040 I don't know if you know this, Leo.

00:26:27.460 We got into it with him

00:26:29.560 in a big way because we watched your documentary

00:26:31.760 that you had done with him. It was Unsolved Mysteries,

00:26:33.900 the Vatican and

00:26:34.960 the UFO Deception.

00:26:37.060 and then i watched him start to align himself with elizondo and um and i started to criticize

00:26:45.000 him and he he it you know he doesn't return my mails anymore he he stopped the stranger you know

00:26:51.820 he sent me a signed copy of birthright which is otherwise an excellent book yeah i mean

00:26:57.440 for some reason suddenly in the last five years he has complete i mean after the last interview

00:27:04.060 we did together that's when it started this is my problem a few or four years ago and then after he

00:27:09.920 disappeared and he and suddenly i see him with with with you know with the the the the the girl

00:27:16.080 who works with the raw scooter they see him doing all these big shows yeah he's becoming like part

00:27:22.120 of the gatekeeper's world so i am a little bit puzzled by that i'm not saying anything

00:27:26.740 because in my book i say i still hope that you know he's not like jack valet or these other

00:27:33.940 people i still see him as a valid researcher but you know when we previously earlier in the episode

00:27:40.180 when we said you know i don't know what they know they might not i'm speaking directly to tim i like

00:27:45.340 timothy i think he's a good christian dude and the same suspicions about five years ago i said

00:27:50.260 something happened something changed and we were online and we're just making this brief overview

00:27:55.640 saying uh aliens are demons it's it's a bold statement but it's to cause a conversation because

00:28:00.940 were using twitter and that caused like the crux of this debate with him he came after us

00:28:05.520 the other guys came after us and we didn't back down we ended up kind of we ended up uh because

00:28:11.880 if you think about it this position is aligning aligning with the jesuit position more than the

00:28:16.800 real mainstream evangelicals or even traditionalist catholics or certain orthodox is aligning instead

00:28:23.360 with this more materialistic concept now regarding leo during during the debate that we had with him

00:28:31.800 it was never like a debate on the points because he's he's a very smart guy but we're like we just

00:28:36.120 want to know what happened and almost specifically referring to your segment with him there specifically

00:28:41.560 your segment what happened to that guy because he's concerned that the vatican is going to do

00:28:46.320 a deceptive alien disclosure and now he's smoking cigars with lou elizondo and and he's saying that

00:28:54.380 the age of disclosure is a fantastic piece i i hate bringing this because i like i apologized

00:28:59.240 to him recently i was like listen this is done i don't want to do this anymore like i feel like

00:29:03.360 you haven't seen this leo it was a it was a war uh a very public one on this show on on twitter

00:29:11.920 I had to have a phone call with him after a couple of months of this.

00:29:15.900 And I said, you know, things got lost.

00:29:18.940 There's so much I do respect about him.

00:29:21.000 And I'm also grateful for guys like you and guys like Timothy who have this body of research that enables guys like us to now talk about it today.

00:29:29.220 But there is a massive inconsistency here where you are saying the Vatican is one day going to do alien disclosure and it's going to be a deception.

00:29:38.900 And then fast forward to 2026 and you are smoking cigars with the guy who is doing and arguing with us.

00:29:46.560 You know, when he came to Rome, he said, you know, I align with what Chris Putham and Tom Horns wrote in Exo Vaticana, which was rather critical of the Jesuits position and everything.

00:29:58.380 Now, in my book, in the first chapter, I show the different approaches of the various theological approaches of all the various factions.

00:30:12.060 And I personally, even though, of course, I've always been saying for decades that there is a demonic nature that needs to be evaluated.

00:30:20.420 I stated these are the positions of the various theological passion without of course being biased because that would bring you know my own idea in it and instead I wanted to really portray what each of these gentlemen was saying you know like the little nuances even the differences like for example the Russian Seraphim Rose the late Seraphim who had one position then you have the present Stephen the Young with another slightly different position and then you have the various evangelicals and then the Lutherans slightly different

00:30:50.420 But then you have the traditional Catholics who are, of course, differing from the post-conciliar one, because my book explains why the Vatican has taken this leading role to the, you know, to the whole control of a religious narrative that is putting together a one-world religion.

00:31:07.300 And I was, you know, I was very, I mean, I was familiar with Timothy's work because he came to Rome, because we, you know, we worked together on this documentary, we had lunch, dinner together.

00:31:21.620 I thought he, you know, I could trust him 100%, but something weird happened, and I have to admit to myself now, I'm not stating that he's been completely bought out.

00:31:31.740 But I think that for matters of convenience, he likes to have that posture, which, of course, will then make him relevant in all these big shows, ending up maybe on the Joe Rogan or whatever.

00:31:44.760 but Leo Zagami

00:31:46.620 who has been shadow banned

00:31:48.960 censored, 17 channels

00:31:50.980 removed during the pandemic

00:31:52.320 and have always been

00:31:54.780 ostracized, I mean

00:31:56.460 in Europe I will have the police

00:31:58.680 knocking on my door for a Facebook post

00:32:00.640 or I will have them stopping me

00:32:02.560 in front of my

00:32:04.300 simply taking the car

00:32:06.680 and after two minutes they will stop me and say

00:32:08.360 document things, this and that

00:32:10.520 and then at one point they even broke into

00:32:12.740 my, like I said

00:32:14.280 into my home and they locked me up. They wanted me to be the crazy guy at one point, you know,

00:32:22.280 but it was very difficult for them because my father was a psychiatrist. He was one of the most,

00:32:28.280 the biggest and most known psychiatrists in Europe. He appeared on one of the list of the most,

00:32:35.280 the biggest intellectuals in 1968 on the Pravda. So, I mean, we are talking about somebody who

00:32:41.280 knew about the human mind who taught me a few things himself so I grew up you know in front

00:32:47.060 of my father his studies his research even in the paranormal when in 1980 he started also

00:32:53.420 around 1980 a tv show at midnight with a guy called Pietro Cimatti who was a really well-known

00:33:00.060 figure studying and also practicing the paranormal within a spiritist group in Florence which was

00:33:07.460 very popular at the time so my experience come from a direct experience with people from my

00:33:15.800 family my grandfather was a senator my grandmother from my english side was an intelligence operative

00:33:22.040 you can find felicity mason on wikipedia and she was the woman responsible for encrypting the

00:33:29.380 messages between the president of the united states and the uk prime minister during the

00:33:33.480 second world war so a matter of you know level of clearance which is above than above and so

00:33:39.440 in 1982 when i came here to america i was invited to the first screening of et you know in new york

00:33:47.280 but i mean and i was still a child so the she gave me my first book on alistair cowley i'm not saying

00:33:55.780 that everything was positive that came out of my family background but eventually that is my

00:34:00.520 experience that i bring into the fold and so when i really made you know this acquaintance and then

00:34:10.440 became a friendship with timothy at times we differed on certain little nuances of theological

00:34:16.760 approaches that he had that were more evangelicals of course i come from a catholic background

00:34:21.480 i'm a pre-conciliar catholic which means i'm a traditionist that doesn't accept the second

00:34:26.600 Vatican Council because that is when the alien intervention happened and my book has this witness

00:34:37.560 from 1933 onwards the Vatican got involved because they had to first block the UFO

00:34:45.400 retrieval program from the fascists and Nazis taking over and then of course changing the course

00:34:51.320 of the war. But then soon after the war, the Vatican was the one that sent one of the most 0.79

00:34:57.480 eminent representatives, James Francis McIntyre to Roswell. The Vatican sent this guy who then

00:35:06.840 became the Archbishop of Los Angeles with the Eisenhower to meet two times the two different

00:35:16.440 species allegedly different species of aliens once while he was alleged you know when he was

00:35:21.880 actually here in pan springs officially so so all this makes me really come to conclusions about

00:35:30.920 the current narrative that of course of complete control and so i'm not trusting anything that

00:35:37.560 comes out of the of the screen or or out of the mainstream narrative for this degree

00:35:42.840 agreed i you know leo i want to ask you then my main concern we've heard so much about the

00:35:49.740 technology and all these other things what about the nature of these beings because that's almost

00:35:54.140 entirely absent from the conversation especially when it comes to documentaries like age of

00:35:59.040 disclosure or whatever the government is going to do um i am much more concerned because if you're

00:36:04.980 looking into testimony of individuals who have encountered these things it is um spiritual it's

00:36:11.320 religious and overwhelmingly on the side of let's say the greys there is uh so much that aligns

00:36:17.880 with the demonic encounter phenomenon and this has been my issue going forward because so much

00:36:24.460 of this has become about the technology and zero point energy and reverse engineering and think

00:36:29.520 about what it could do for us but the austinian bargain yeah you know you can obtain this

00:36:37.020 technology but at what cost yes so so what in your research have you made then of the nature

00:36:43.560 of these things you mentioned demonic and angelic um how do you how do we parse you know it's very

00:36:49.720 easy you know the universe reflects the two you know the the binary reality of good and evil

00:36:56.540 and yin and yang this is reflected all over the universe so automatically every race that we have

00:37:03.380 out there in one way or another would be influenced by these two factions they could

00:37:08.340 actually be free of choice of you know free will like we allegedly have this free will well if you

00:37:15.300 are christian you believe in that because it's your own will to decide if you want to go towards

00:37:19.700 the abyss or you want to join the heavens we have been given that now we're not sure that all races

00:37:25.780 have been given that choice there is though in regards to the actual discussion regarding the

00:37:31.300 nephilim a very indicative thing here we had a guy this guy here who is now the director of the

00:37:40.660 specular vaticana foundation up until last year he was the director of the vatican

00:37:45.780 astronomic sector in the specular vaticana himself now the new responsible guy the guy

00:37:51.620 who is now responsible his father de sosa but he is the the guy in charge of the foundation why

00:37:57.220 this is important because Guy Consolmagno came to prominence in the ufologic world about his book

00:38:05.700 that was written would you baptize an extraterrestrial yeah now this concept is actually a

00:38:12.980 concept which like i described in my book is much older he's ascribed to his own mentor father

00:38:18.420 George Coyne the guy who eventually forced the opening of the observatory Mount Graham

00:38:24.260 and so

00:38:26.040 and there was an article

00:38:27.820 demonstrating that it was entitled

00:38:29.780 would you baptize an extraterrestrial 30 years ago

00:38:32.440 on the New York Times

00:38:33.740 dedicated to Father George God

00:38:35.540 so it's not a novelty

00:38:36.520 but the thing is in this book

00:38:39.720 like there is also a preceding book

00:38:42.440 that it wasn't

00:38:44.540 it was immediately

00:38:46.080 taken of commerce

00:38:47.660 if you want I can show it to you

00:38:49.960 we could do is to

00:38:53.100 maybe I can share the because this is a book that now if you purchase my book you can get the link

00:38:58.620 to this book here it is it's been brought out of circulation it was published a long time ago as

00:39:09.500 you can see it's an official catholic publication CTS and it was published in London and as you can

00:39:19.980 see it was published with the support of the catholic uh you know of what are the members

00:39:26.140 of the catholic trust society now this book is about describing the aliens as savers of mankind

00:39:35.500 so it was quickly taken out of commerce and eventually instead we know guy console manual

00:39:42.300 from this other book however when tom horn and chris put them managed to get hold of the

00:39:49.980 of that other book that we have just showed they eventually uh published it on their own website

00:39:57.260 for the people who uh had bought exo vaticana and so they forced in a way the vatican to acknowledge

00:40:04.060 the existence of this book and eventually in 2023 they included this book in a link that you can

00:40:11.340 download from the official Vatican Observatory site. So they changed after 20 years, their

00:40:19.580 narrative is surrounding, almost 20 years, the narrative is surrounding this book.

00:40:25.260 Does that tell you, does that tell you about what they're trying to do then? Are they,

00:40:28.860 do you assume that they're trying to run with that narrative rather than hide it? Or

00:40:33.020 why do, why do that thing? Okay. In my book, I explained that the narrative is built out

00:40:38.860 of a long discussion that arised after the direct experience with the retrieval of these ufos

00:40:44.620 in the 1950s you had also you know all these ufos even over washington in 1952

00:40:50.860 over france and italy later on 5354 this led to the real birth of the vatican exo politics

00:40:59.180 because at that point the vatican also started to increasingly address it under theological

00:41:06.140 perspective you know a theological perspective of will be you know it sounds crazy but for the

00:41:11.900 Vatican to become irrelevant is the problem and so the first people to discuss this whole thing

00:41:22.220 in the Vatican were saying well if these beings are not the sons of Adam and Eve obviously they

00:41:28.220 they don't have the original sin.

00:41:30.380 And this discussion, which was actually brought

00:41:33.920 by Father O'Connell, a redemptorist,

00:41:37.520 and published in 1952 on the Times magazine,

00:41:41.440 became a matter of concern for the authorities.

00:41:44.500 Even the Jesuits published an article later

00:41:47.220 with Father Domenico Grass on Civiltà Catholic about it.

00:41:50.960 And so they had to intervene.

00:41:52.900 And eventually, they will rely on the new theological perspective

00:41:57.180 of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

00:41:59.680 Now, people say, who the heck is

00:42:01.560 Pierre Teilhard de Chardin?

00:42:03.500 Who is Pierre Teilhard de Chardin?

00:42:05.180 He's the guy who basically is the protagonist

00:42:07.540 based, the protagonist of the exorcist

00:42:09.460 is based on him. He's the guy

00:42:11.440 who inspired 2001 Space Odyssey

00:42:13.160 because he inspired Arthur C. Clarke's

00:42:15.400 take on the whole matter. And he's the

00:42:17.400 guy who the wire acknowledges as

00:42:19.340 the inventor of the internet with no spear.

00:42:21.720 So Pierre Teilhard de Chardin is not

00:42:23.280 just a guy. He's an extraordinary

00:42:25.540 Jesuit who was initially positioned in conflict with the traditionalist Vatican, the pre-conciliar

00:42:34.100 Vatican. Okay, then something happened. Something happened because the Vatican started to

00:42:42.900 know that this reality was real, so how to address it in terms of theology became their first

00:42:49.380 matter of concern. But then later on, when Pope John XXIII, who during his period as ambassador

00:42:58.580 of the Vatican had a direct experience in a lot, because he was a Freemason, of contact with these

00:43:04.020 beings, and later on he will have an encounter of the third kind in July 1961 in the gardens of

00:43:11.300 Cattel Gandolfo, well at that point, then when the Second Vatican Council kick-started, it wasn't

00:43:18.440 anymore. It's a matter of reforming the Catholic Church. It was a matter of reforming all the

00:43:23.640 religions of the world in time for disclosure. And so from there on, it started the mission of

00:43:30.220 putting together this one-world religion in time for disclosure and at the same time dictating the

00:43:36.060 narrative, controlling everything, because they rely on the military industry complex and on the

00:43:41.660 people who have put together the legacy program, even those defense contractors involved. So

00:43:47.380 So that is how things have, you know, matured and evolved.

00:43:54.520 And then you have, of course, the gatekeeper of gatekeepers,

00:43:58.880 Daniel Sheehan, Danny Sheehan.

00:44:01.440 He is the legal representative of Luis Elizondo.

00:44:06.420 He's the legal representative of Stephen Greer.

00:44:09.300 He's the guy who used to represent for 10 years

00:44:12.020 the headquarters of the Jesuits on legal matters.

00:44:14.460 He was himself a former Jesuit novitiate, and he admitted this year, at Contra in the Desert, if you go on the video that is put there on one of the few public videos, he admits that not only he has been involved with the UFO grassroots movements from the very beginning, which means the Jesuits were involved,

00:44:39.040 But also, when asked about how currently the Vatican is operating in this disclosure, he said, well, Pope Leo XIV has invited me to Castel Gandolfo.

00:44:49.260 So he admitted it.

00:44:52.180 Now, if the aim of Timothy Alberino is to get invited by Pope Leo XIV, he's, let's say, on a good path.

00:45:00.480 I look at it like you nailed it earlier.

00:45:03.780 I think much more his drive currently is to get on the Joe Rogan experience because I look at Joe Rogan as if he's sort of the modern day Laurel Canyon is a cultural manufacturing machine that podcast is.

00:45:18.820 And I did recognize that Timothy was posturing himself to be one of the talking heads as we move forward in disclosure and that it would be advantageous for him to get on Rogan's.

00:45:30.060 and he had even made a few mentions here and there where it became obvious to me and he's he's doing a fantastic job of it i mean like you said earlier you see him everywhere right now on all the major podcasts um and so the timing of our dispute was not really to his advantage because we uh we deal heavily in comedy we made a lot of fun of him on these platforms getting ready for his media tour

00:45:58.600 and um and then sure enough right after the smoke kind of settled with our you know back and forth

00:46:05.100 uh all of a sudden he starts popping up on all these major things i don't know from from my

00:46:09.480 assumption like i said and i don't like to even bring this up but like it seemed like he was ready

00:46:14.340 to take off and do a thing and we were for whatever reason the sacrificial cow that he picked but

00:46:20.440 the cow had teeth i guess he didn't assume that it was going to be uh you know well bad for him

00:46:27.840 What it was was the issue that I was having was he was saying that instead of looking at the expression aliens are demons, which is inherently reductive, it is far more complex than that.

00:46:40.980 Yeah, I mean, that is far more complex.

00:46:43.040 I agree with that point.

00:46:44.560 It's far more complex.

00:46:45.300 But the fact that you have a poster and you say simply,

00:46:48.260 the aliens are demons, shouldn't be regarded as, you know,

00:46:51.860 a matter of interrupting your own friendship with a person.

00:46:56.140 Because from the moment I stated that,

00:46:58.700 then Timothy absolutely ignored my emails and went another way.

00:47:04.200 And I was really puzzled by the whole thing.

00:47:06.760 Because, yes, we can discuss.

00:47:08.000 There is many races, many realities, interdimensional,

00:47:12.040 extradimensional, extraterrestrial.

00:47:14.740 Some can be interdimensional and extraterrestrial at the same time

00:47:18.040 and all that.

00:47:18.820 But, you know, when you have a friendship and you have met in person,

00:47:23.560 that's a different thing, you know.

00:47:25.560 I kind of like, I'm from Rome.

00:47:28.260 I'm not from, you know, another country where you might have

00:47:31.660 that kind of usage.

00:47:32.760 I mean, for us, friendship is a serious matter.

00:47:34.820 if we have you know had food on a table you know at a dinner it's it's not the last dinner of jesus

00:47:42.580 christ but it's still a very important element of our you know social let's say uh interaction and

00:47:51.220 and and and so it surprises me that you know but it's not the first time i've seen this kind of

00:47:56.740 attitude in people that have made a choice i remember i was in the music business i was a

00:48:02.180 record producer and i saw many times people who from one day or another you know they want they

00:48:07.420 might be you know destitute and then they become number one in the charts and they don't even say

00:48:12.300 hello to you anymore or answer your phone calls because they feel themselves as like these big

00:48:17.000 shots well that is an ego problem but i think with timody there is something else going on

00:48:22.760 well it seems like we're in this crunch time uh almost zero hour i don't know how else to express

00:48:28.340 it but things are moving at a at a exponential pace and i feel as though um people are galvanizing

00:48:36.320 to whatever side they're they're going to galvanize to because it feels as though some

00:48:40.740 you know large event is going to happen i believe we discussed with tim this idea that there is

00:48:46.360 built within this narrative right you have the idea of the galactic federation of light which

00:48:49.940 in my estimation is some sort of an in a psychological operation i'll tell you can i

00:48:54.740 tell you really quickly what it is i'll pull this up but here's a tweet from uh anna polina luna

00:48:59.480 oh my goodness there it is yeah influencer disclosures are coming what is influencer 0.96

00:49:06.100 i'm sorry how fucking gay is this it is it sounds like lord of the rings kind of uh 0.99

00:49:14.540 what are you but what are you really doing what like look at how they're doing it they're doing 1.00

00:49:23.160 it in the worst, in the most cringe

00:49:25.060 possible way, something that could be really cool.

00:49:27.340 It is the same thing that happened when they gave

00:49:29.300 those influencers... On one side

00:49:31.440 of the government, you have Trump

00:49:33.100 trolling everybody with aliens in 1.00

00:49:35.280 chains, Nordics in front 0.98

00:49:37.320 of the wild, and all this BS, 0.73

00:49:39.420 which really... And then

00:49:41.260 of course, even using the official website

00:49:43.720 talking about

00:49:45.080 illegal aliens comparing... I know, yeah, yeah.

00:49:47.520 I mean, the whole thing

00:49:49.000 is really despicable,

00:49:50.900 Because if we want to be serious about this topic, you're not there laughing it off or making jokes about it.

00:49:57.220 You are doing that if you want to cover your friends in the military industrial complex.

00:50:01.220 Of course, Lockheed Martin and everybody else, Palantir, that now is, of course, using reverse engineering and technology.

00:50:09.560 Yes, of course, you are compromised.

00:50:12.380 Trump is compromised.

00:50:13.780 He has made a lot of promises.

00:50:15.100 He never maintained one.

00:50:16.040 And that is honestly disappointing for everybody who has voted him, including myself.

00:50:21.860 It was the first time I was actually voting here in America.

00:50:24.940 So very disappointing.

00:50:26.620 And I even gave him a hand for the Coachella Valley event.

00:50:29.780 So it's like my error, but the error of many Americans who thought that, you know,

00:50:35.500 a billionaire could be different from his political pals in Washington.

00:50:39.220 In reality, they're all the same swamp and they all want to, you know,

00:50:43.260 just take advantage of when they finally sit in a position of power.

00:50:48.160 Now, from my own personal experience, my grandfather was a senator,

00:50:53.240 and I remember he did a lot for the city of Messina after the earthquake

00:50:57.080 that was still, you know, felt decades after and people didn't have a home.

00:51:02.100 The earthquake of Messina was one of the worst events that could ever happen.

00:51:06.000 It destroyed the whole city.

00:51:07.940 And he made an effort to always help people, meet them once a week.

00:51:12.440 He used to have a bar in Messina where he used to meet the people who would go and elect him.

00:51:16.560 And he really sacrificed himself to a level in which at the end of his career,

00:51:21.580 he would be poisoned and take out of office thanks to trickery and betrayal.

00:51:27.080 And eventually he died in France when he crashed.

00:51:31.320 He was a tall man, taller than me.

00:51:33.340 He was 195, 192, but he was very tall.

00:51:38.780 So he fall in front of me because they poisoned with arsenic, his spine crashed.

00:51:44.820 So the politics is a dirty game.

00:51:47.940 You can compromise.

00:51:49.640 You can accept these compromises and go forward.

00:51:52.980 You can then not accept them and be eliminated.

00:51:57.240 And, of course, the current government is compromised.

00:52:00.700 So we can't expect a disclosure that is genuine and honest in any way.

00:52:05.760 That's what they're doing now.

00:52:06.580 So, you know, the reason you would do it to politicians is because of the influence that they carry that that terminology influencers, which is kind of I don't enjoy it.

00:52:16.840 It's a it's a crappy word. But right now, average individuals who are authors or documentarians or even people like us with with microphones and podcasts,

00:52:27.360 we have a certain amount of cultural influence that i wonder how much individuals that maybe

00:52:34.600 you wouldn't previously have thought are now susceptible to those same tactics i mean we're

00:52:39.220 talking about albarino and whatever he may have gone through that changed his mind i don't think

00:52:44.600 that's out of the realm of possibilities at all this year this year we had a whole bunch of

00:52:49.600 panels of people who were all a bunch of gatekeepers here after the contact in the desert

00:52:54.420 from Bassett to

00:52:56.060 everybody else who was there

00:52:58.480 you know and they have

00:53:00.440 taken over the scene so now

00:53:02.480 they are the ones that tell you yes

00:53:04.460 we have this we have a body of

00:53:06.360 we have a body of this we have

00:53:08.220 a reverse engineer this

00:53:09.980 I mean Gary Nolan

00:53:12.480 who goes there and

00:53:14.240 pretends he is like Gary Nolan is

00:53:16.280 the biggest gatekeeper and

00:53:18.140 anything that comes out of the Stanford

00:53:20.120 University of Stanford Institute

00:53:21.840 should always be analyzed with a sense

00:53:24.260 of criticism yeah in my book i also reveal how you have china russia and america competing on that

00:53:32.420 competing when they were competing on remote viewing because all of these countries are remote

00:53:37.780 view and at one point ten years ago the wedding got involved with the head of the russian remote

00:53:43.220 viewers which is this gentleman lieutenant colonel savin this is during his time and in this next to

00:53:51.940 him is the guy who collaborated with my book roberto pinotti so and and they actually offered

00:53:57.140 pinotti who went there if he wanted to participate to the remote viewing program and he refused and

00:54:03.860 then at that point he broke with the academy of the illuminati because what happened was this

00:54:08.180 i am of course still in contact with people that i've known my whole life so at one point i was in

00:54:12.580 the mountains in north of italy one day with my wife doing a tracking with and and of course in

00:54:19.940 a situation when you do tracking that is not really ideal because you're climbing on top of

00:54:23.780 a mountain and at one point i received a phone call and it was the vice president of the academy

00:54:28.020 say can you introduce me to roberto pinotti i know he's your old friend and i said okay no problem

00:54:33.780 i didn't know what it was about but soon after they created a website for him they got him

00:54:40.180 involved in this whole disclosure organization that they wanted to set up which is becoming the

00:54:47.540 Bilderberg of ufologists and there was John Podesta involved there was a lot of important people in

00:54:54.500 John Podesta actually in the summer of 2016 while he was chairman of the Hillary campaign

00:55:01.620 flown to Rome to meet with Pier Giorgio Bassi and Pier Giorgio Bassi is the guy who takes care of

00:55:07.700 disclosure in the Vatican in fact I show in this book a picture of him and Cardinal Parolin who

00:55:13.860 is the vatican secretary of state who is actually currently apparently in a state of panic about

00:55:18.660 the whole disclosure thing this is actually the one that you see holding that that is

00:55:28.020 uh freemason and then vice president of the academy of illuminati and the and the guy you

00:55:34.740 see there is cardinal pietro parolin who is the most important and relevant figure in the vatican

00:55:40.500 after the pope or the second year of state and and apparently you know they are all involved and

00:55:48.020 they created this organization for the internet international organization for the destinies of the

00:55:53.780 world which was headed by vladimir putin in moscow and then when this whole ukraine thing

00:56:00.740 erupted they had to put everything on hold but the offer that they gave to roberto pinotti he

00:56:07.060 refused it because he, like me, was a military

00:56:09.240 once upon a time, served

00:56:11.060 with NATO and said, what I'm going to do?

00:56:13.000 I'm going to go in a Russian remote viewing program. 0.75

00:56:15.380 They're going to brainwash me first of all. 1.00

00:56:17.220 They're going to maybe, you know, plant

00:56:19.060 things in my mind. I don't want to have anything

00:56:20.840 to do with that. You know, I

00:56:23.120 also had to do,

00:56:24.580 like I explained in my book, I also

00:56:26.960 related some information

00:56:28.580 of a prior encounter

00:56:31.140 I had to the GRU,

00:56:33.700 which is

00:56:35.160 the military intelligence

00:56:36.900 in russia now of course that was done simply on a matter of mutual interest and concern over a

00:56:44.560 topic i wasn't revealing any state of say state secret you know but of course people will then

00:56:52.140 say zagami are you yourself a gatekeeper no because i'm still alive because i actually

00:56:58.260 have done a lot of sacrifices in my life starting from the sacrifice i did almost 20 years ago

00:57:06.060 when I had to give up my only son and never so again. 1.00

00:57:11.120 And now he's been brought up by a guy who is the head of the Muslim section

00:57:15.700 of the World Economic Forum.

00:57:17.800 So, I mean, just to give you an idea of what I had to renounce to,

00:57:22.180 I was imprisoned, I was tortured, and so this is, you know,

00:57:27.660 for me a very personal matter, it's not just an intellectual matter.

00:57:31.420 So when Timothy came to Rome, I introduced him to my reality.

00:57:36.060 And I showed him and he got a little bit scared when things started to become so, you know, threatening even for himself.

00:57:43.940 So I wonder if then, you know, you take a more tranquil posture, a more convenient posture once you are threatened.

00:57:53.400 I didn't. I renounced, you know, I actually lifted my hands.

00:57:59.420 and this is a signal that the freemasons use in front of the judge in norway in the same room

00:58:05.600 where anders brevik was judged and i said well you can bring up my son i'm not gonna compromise

00:58:12.160 and you can you know they wanted to use my son as a blackmail to silence me i said there's no way

00:58:18.960 you're gonna silence me keep my son bring him up do whatever you want i'm gonna continue with my

00:58:23.740 mission. It's a mission that comes with a cost. It's not just a mission. That's why when people

00:58:30.400 say, no, Zagami is somebody who has addressed the cost. Moving forward in my life, I had to

00:58:39.880 pay the consequences of my disclosure actions. When they take your son, they take custody of

00:58:47.320 him from you? Yeah. My mother basically then ended up marrying with this guy from the World

00:58:52.820 Economic Forum. She was part of an organization which is headed by a guy called Fethullah Gulen,

00:58:58.260 which lives in Pennsylvania, protected by 50 Turkish operatives. He used to work with the

00:59:04.900 CIA, people know that. Fethullah Gulen movement is one of the most powerful religious Islamic 1.00

00:59:09.540 movements there in the world. And eventually she had to leave Turkey in 2016 when there was that

00:59:17.540 attempted coup d'etat over the gun by her dog by fethullah gulen that didn't work out and so they

00:59:25.140 have to go back to norway thanks god but i was never able to contact him again or have any

00:59:31.220 contact with him they forbid me from doing that still to this day still to this day wow and he's

00:59:38.100 20 years old so i don't know i mean i don't know if they're holding a gun over his head or it's just

00:59:43.060 simply that it's been probably brainwashed wow wow wow wow i mean you're actually the head of a

00:59:49.940 section of the world economic forum working with klaus schwab but you are a pretty powerful

00:59:53.860 individual so i mean and i explained that in volume 10 of my confessions which i dedicated

00:59:59.780 to the islamic secret societies and the reality of the eternal conflict in the middle east

01:00:04.980 well i mean if if they uh threatened his family let's say timothy which i'm very empathetic to and

01:00:11.700 and uh maybe that speaks to the magnitude of the endeavors he didn't realize how much was on the

01:00:18.020 line you know somebody like you had yeah i think that that's actually you see when i i saw a recent

01:00:23.780 interview you know they they asked him uh when did you start this whole adventure and he said

01:00:29.780 10 years ago 11 years ago but in reality that was the time when he was in rome and he actually did

01:00:35.380 this first documentary no coincides and at the time he was maybe more idealistic uh he was a

01:00:43.060 young individual and you know he was daring he then he went to peru he did all kinds of research

01:00:51.060 and things and you know i thought you know this guy's doing quite well but when those threats

01:00:56.500 arise when he went back to america what happened with this stranger you know threat to his family

01:01:03.060 and stuff and his fear for his life and then things got a little bit weird

01:01:11.700 yeah i i mean yeah that'll that'll shake any man right i mean that's the and that's it's a choice

01:01:16.980 you know it's a choice i have to give up something i know that it's not an easy thing it's not an

01:01:22.020 easy thing to give up your own son i mean it's the most hard thing you can you you know and it

01:01:26.420 kind of like i try the the first couple of years i will have nightmares every day about the when

01:01:32.580 they arrested me with because i was arrested i was arrested by the the newegian pst after locked in

01:01:40.420 threatened even when i was on my way to the child custody thing they actually used that

01:01:49.860 to arrest me and then put on me an accusation of espionage and threaten me while i'm actually

01:01:55.220 at the so then at that point i said do whatever you want guys i'm just gonna go back to italy

01:02:00.900 and screw yourself here i mean i'm not really here to to to to sacrifice my mission my mission is

01:02:08.260 very important because as you will learn from the end of this book is a mission that starts in 1993 0.62

01:02:15.060 when i was both initiated by prince aliata but i also had my own encounter of the third kind

01:02:23.380 which completely changed my life after can we talk about that encounter yeah

01:02:30.900 I will not disclose the whole thing because, of course, I want to spoil it, you know, it's a little bit of a spoiler, but I can summarize it.

01:02:39.900 It was an encounter with a probe from Mothership, which was located on top of the Vatican, with other ships that apparently are constantly located on top of the Vatican,

01:02:52.900 because there are 52 miles of research, 53 miles of research to attend

01:02:58.900 with all of the Vatican Apostolic Archive and Apostolic Library,

01:03:03.900 which is another 23 miles, so that is their ideal internet.

01:03:07.900 It's like their own internet, like they want to grasp

01:03:10.900 the knowledge of mankind.

01:03:12.900 But in any case, this orb of a blue orb had a conscience,

01:03:18.900 a non-human intelligence conscience,

01:03:20.900 So it was also a very shocking experience because at the time I was practicing the magic of Abramel in the Mage.

01:03:29.400 I was somebody who was deep into a cult.

01:03:32.140 I never had any ufologic aspiration or any interest towards ufology.

01:03:37.580 It was like a subject, yes, of interest, maybe the movie, maybe when you are a kid, you can have some interest about things.

01:03:45.780 But it wasn't like a priority in my life to study ufology or to have an interest towards the subject.

01:03:50.900 But that encounter changed my life because it was an encounter that then channeled, transmitted, downloaded, as they say these days. Now you download stuff from that encounter and that stuff was then classified by the Italian military intelligence, SISMI.

01:04:08.460 And this is the first time in my book that I disclose some of the subjects that were discussed and the interlocutor, which they claim to be nomos, so to be actually from that same star system that then it was narrated by the Dogon.

01:04:30.260 and that's next year starts the seven years ritual in alignment with Sirius which apparently now will

01:04:35.780 be in alignment with the takeover of the planet by the grid that they have put together so the

01:04:43.620 experience I have it was a direct experience it was done in a specific place which is also

01:04:50.740 very interesting in the story which I narrate but I didn't you know expect that to happen

01:04:57.940 because I was actually doing a ritual to encounter my holy guardian angel

01:05:02.580 because that's what the magic of Abramelin is.

01:05:05.900 It's a six-month ritual that people like Alistair Crowley did

01:05:10.280 thanks to his mentor, McGregor Matters,

01:05:13.880 who was the guy who first translated it into English.

01:05:17.660 What was the name of your angel that you were trying to encounter?

01:05:20.540 Well, it was my personal holy guardian angel.

01:05:23.760 Eventually, you know, I came into contact with something

01:05:27.100 that was non-human intelligence of course and then it signed itself as it's not i didn't know

01:05:32.680 anything about this normals or anything about this whole doggone thing and but in this book

01:05:38.160 then i explained how i then came to because at the time there was no internet like we have today

01:05:44.220 you just go and surf and see what is this so what is that you know and it all led to a series of

01:05:50.740 of very interesting events that then i had to leave italy and then i lived in london for

01:05:58.180 few years in london i established myself as the director of the aula luces cayostro

01:06:05.620 which is part of was part of the fraternity so it was a crucial antigo arnold krum heller

01:06:10.580 i was of course regularized into the united knowledge of england i became also part of the

01:06:16.820 team to investigate certain things for this satire rosicrucian in anglia so i was a rosicrucian and

01:06:22.260 that is another element of interest in my book because the pope who had this alleged encounter

01:06:28.740 of the third kind was a rosicrucian but it's also also j allen anek or jack ballet claim rosicrucian

01:06:35.380 links and very much are into that rosicrucian posture which is very important to understand that

01:06:42.820 this kind of context existed for a long time and so there was a crucian themselves were also very

01:06:49.560 acquainted with this kind of entities though you know you can describe them in various ways

01:06:54.720 so all right i want to um move on to a question that we don't have you for too much longer and

01:07:02.380 i find it fascinating you've been looking at this phenomenon for so long and now that we're sitting

01:07:06.980 well to tell you the truth also it's the first you know when i wrote my confession series i

01:07:12.600 disclosed only part of that encounter in volume three, the esoteric part. I never disclosed this

01:07:18.920 other part, which was previously classified by the SISMI, because I had just come came out of

01:07:24.240 the Air Force. And when I had this encounter, and I channeled 44 pages of material, which I could

01:07:30.160 hardly understand what it meant, there was very complex material in it. I simply called my friend

01:07:36.320 from the military intelligence guy who was actually working as a security detail of an important

01:07:42.660 politician who had dealt with the UFO phenomenon, Giulio Andreotti, and who himself was connected

01:07:48.320 to the Vatican. Then they classified this whole information after verifying it. And then they

01:07:55.140 gave me also the passport so I could leave Italy because at the time I had some problems. So it was

01:08:01.120 an experience uh that i never really made public up until now because i didn't want to and even in

01:08:07.360 this book i left it right at the end as almost a side note to not distract from the rest of the

01:08:14.240 book then you have at the very end an interview with roberto pinotti an exclusive interview with

01:08:20.720 him also so before that they have my own experience which i i hope you will read and

01:08:26.800 then maybe you will have some questions.

01:08:28.920 That experience, did it change in any way

01:08:32.020 your understanding of the nature of the phenomenon?

01:08:34.280 Absolutely.

01:08:35.460 Absolutely.

01:08:36.020 I mean, like I said, my background was occult.

01:08:40.400 I didn't have anything to do with this.

01:08:42.280 When I saw that this phenomenon had a military structure,

01:08:48.100 a military setup of a squadron

01:08:50.920 communicating their serial numbers and things to me,

01:08:53.700 I was like, what is this?

01:08:55.360 It wasn't like, you know, when you are evoking something, you are evoking an entity and you are evoking or invoking something.

01:09:04.680 You are invoking something that is, yes, non-human intelligence, but this was different.

01:09:09.880 This was a military non-human intelligence who had that military kind of way of transmitting things and of acting, which I immediately recognized because I just came out of the military, you know.

01:09:22.300 So I was like, wow, this is familiar, but it also made it for me, paradoxically, like I say in my book, it actually made the whole thing better for me because it was no longer, you know, you were not evoking, you know, one of the, you know, legionnaires of Satan, you know, Belzebue, Lucifer or whatever, Leviathan, or you were there, you know, contacting some beings.

01:09:49.420 These were beings that were manifesting, you know, that manifested in front of me, and they were very coherent about everything, very linear about everything.

01:09:59.200 And I could understand also that their way of operating was not occult.

01:10:05.940 It was pretty much technological.

01:10:08.640 And so it opened me really a complete new idea of how should I approach the occult?

01:10:14.300 Because at that point, the occult was like simply an insert point for me for something else.

01:10:19.680 It was really like I was aiming from that point onwards to do something pioneering for science.

01:10:28.520 I didn't feel I was anymore, you know, dealing with the occult.

01:10:32.660 What year was this?

01:10:33.720 1993.

01:10:35.320 And since then, have you had any meaningful interactions with, I suppose, that side of the veil?

01:10:41.180 that was the main interaction face to face which frozen me i mean it was just like an experience

01:10:50.460 out of this world of course and it was and it's been a very scary experience also for somebody

01:10:55.900 i mean i didn't thank god you know meet a gray but when you have a big orb of light surrounded

01:11:03.900 by a bluish light materializing in your living room that is actually why today a lot of people

01:11:10.220 are critical about and even myself you know i don't like this uap terminology uap but in reality

01:11:16.460 it makes sense because you can't materialize a ufo inside your living room but uap phenomenon yes

01:11:22.700 an orb yes and so when i started to see lately with this latest a bunch of ufo disclosure the

01:11:30.300 discussion around the orbs and orbs that were guided by a mothership and then i was like oh

01:11:37.260 i already wrote this in my point this is like you know connects perfectly with what i wrote

01:11:42.940 so i think that there is of course the possibility that these beings could have manipulated my mind

01:11:50.940 or could have actually inserted some negative elements but from what happened in the years

01:11:58.700 after my rapid rise in certain secret societies the fact that immediately you know i mean in

01:12:06.220 And in the Memphis and Miserum, we even have a Sirius degree dedicated to Sirius.

01:12:13.680 And these beings were claiming they were from the star system that, of course, it was connected

01:12:18.700 to Sirius A, Sirius B, and they even claimed Sirius C.

01:12:22.340 So this discussion that, of course, Carl Sagan was the biggest gatekeeper of them all.

01:12:28.880 Carl Sagan was the guy who had the courage to criticize one thing while he was then believing

01:12:34.400 another and and he was absolutely critical of the whole doggone mystery but from my own

01:12:41.520 direct experience this was a real thing it wasn't a joke have you seen this recent um

01:12:49.920 revelation about uh moro biglino who was a translator sure i i i took him i know mauro

01:12:57.520 i did conferences with him in italy i did a lot of uh work with him because he's also freemason

01:13:02.720 by the way, he never says that

01:13:04.720 but he is

01:13:05.720 Mauro

01:13:08.080 also worked with Roberto Pinotti

01:13:10.740 I talk about him in my book

01:13:12.680 due to his

01:13:14.240 interpretation, an orthodox

01:13:16.560 interpretation of the scriptures

01:13:17.980 I remember the one point

01:13:20.140 I had of course

01:13:22.540 my own political organization

01:13:24.380 in Italy that also

01:13:25.800 we were trying to get this whole matter

01:13:28.260 like you are doing now

01:13:29.860 in the UFO disclosure

01:13:32.480 circuit here in the united states with the government you know people going on capital

01:13:36.480 in a small way we tried in italy we did our first law proposal with giuseppe vatino and barback

01:13:44.080 i think barbado in december 2012 which but then that led to threats to both the politicians in

01:13:51.360 vote who are my friends and after bigino came into the fold supporting us also he received some

01:13:58.960 bullets uh like uh in in an envelope actual bullets yeah yeah so so they i remember he was

01:14:09.360 one day he came to to us in rome and it was me and giuseppe i think me and this politician receiving

01:14:16.000 him and he said guys i received this thing in the you know the post what should they do

01:14:22.000 and you know i said well you should go to the police but the thing is that probably the people

01:14:26.720 sending you this is the military intelligence. So it's not like you're gonna find probably

01:14:31.660 a lot of help from that side. So Mauro, though, then the problem was, he didn't want to, you

01:14:40.520 know, publicly disclose his Masonic, you know, we were both in the same, we were both in

01:14:47.040 the same publishing company that first published my Confessions of an Illuminati, Uneditori

01:14:52.040 back then and we were the biggest names in this publishing company of course my book had become

01:14:58.440 quickly a bestseller when it was published in italian his books of course were bestsellers

01:15:02.600 already back then but then we entered in in a conflict politically with the publishing company

01:15:08.600 that was obviously supporting this uh five-star movement or whatever you know and so i said no i

01:15:17.240 i don't want to have anything to do with them and i was like you know give me my money liquidate me

01:15:21.880 and i'm gonna move on which i did instead he wanted to stay there and eventually he ended up

01:15:27.020 being frauded of hundreds of thousands of euros they never got from this company now uh and so i

01:15:36.640 i didn't you know then he also influenced this movie that was supposed to be made that actually

01:15:44.580 was made but never came out with very big names names like gerard depantier the star trek guy

01:15:52.900 what's his name the guy who went with the blue origin up oh the guy that went with blue origin

01:15:58.820 from star trek uh yeah yeah i know you know the guy who did the first star trek he was involved

01:16:07.140 with this movie there were other actors who i knew who were involved with this movie who actually

01:16:12.820 worked also with oliver is it yes yes yes and there were also other actors and this movie was

01:16:19.300 based on beginner's books they did it you spend millions apparently they spent something like say

01:16:26.500 seven or eight million dollars to produce this movie it's not a big amount of money

01:16:30.900 by today's standards eight million euros but the movie never came out

01:16:36.580 we don't know i mean the the actual film director of the movie never discussed anymore this whole

01:16:47.220 thing and when i pointed out on this whole thing actually a few years back when i got here to

01:16:53.940 america and one of my shows i started to you know focus on that i started to receive phone calls

01:17:00.500 from some of the actors from hollywood saying i don't know well i don't know something strange

01:17:08.400 happened there interesting i wonder what happened there well um i want to ask you as we as we come

01:17:16.040 up towards the end of this do you have any you're so close to this situation do you have any

01:17:20.660 predictions as to how you think this is going to play out because it's very clear they are doing

01:17:25.960 something we have dates said supposedly july the trump administration is going to do something um

01:17:33.320 do you have any ideas as to what form if we do get disclosure it's going to take

01:17:42.040 well you see the difference for example in the way guy console manual in this book talks about

01:17:48.840 the nephilim but it talks about genesis 6 but in both of his books he never talks about the book of

01:17:54.840 Enoch you know that there is a big difference on the way the book of Enoch perceives these beings

01:18:00.360 and in Genesis 6 so it's like they don't want to go where there is a threatening you know posture

01:18:08.440 or for example what happened a month ago with Monsignor Rossetti a former intelligence officer

01:18:14.120 who suddenly in the archdiocese of Washington DC after 19 years of being an exorcist got kicked out

01:18:20.520 He said that the aliens were demons, but we don't have any dogma on that.

01:18:26.940 Why did the Vatican do that?

01:18:28.600 What is the justification for it?

01:18:30.720 Absolutely no justification is given.

01:18:33.140 So that means that they claim they already know they are not demonic.

01:18:38.080 And what gives them that certainty?

01:18:39.660 So here we are really in front of a Vatican that currently, like I stated just earlier,

01:18:46.360 regarding Cardinal Parolin

01:18:48.140 is very scared of how things

01:18:50.520 are going to develop in this

01:18:52.220 disclosure. So they are really

01:18:53.900 with Pope Leo XIV

01:18:56.260 on the contrary of Pope Francis

01:18:58.420 that was, you know, even

01:18:59.480 hypothesizing, oh, if the Martians

01:19:02.260 climb down, I'm going to bless them, all that

01:19:04.380 kind of BS. With Pope Leo

01:19:06.360 XIV, he has ordered everybody

01:19:08.260 silence, complete silence on the

01:19:10.340 topic. Everybody, no more

01:19:12.440 discussions. Guy Consolmagno

01:19:14.480 even went on on the air and said uh some people took advantage of what i said i don't want to

01:19:20.160 discuss this topic any longer so it's like censorship and but it's not really censorship

01:19:26.800 it's like just preparing for disclosure means that you cannot say anything in the meantime

01:19:32.240 but then we see that the current pope like i explained in my book has moved to castel gandolfo

01:19:38.960 after the previous pope had transformed castel gandolfo in a museum and that place is the place

01:19:43.440 that is connected worldwide with all the observatories of the world and of course Mount

01:19:48.080 Grant. That is the headquarters also of the Vatican Jesuit astronomers where the Pope is

01:19:53.040 spending more time than he's spending in the Vatican. So why is he doing that? Is he preparing

01:19:58.480 for another landing because that is the gardens where the UFO landed and spoke with 20 minutes

01:20:03.600 with Pope John XXIII? Is he preparing for disclosure like Danny Sheehan said this year,

01:20:09.920 a continent in the desert, that he was invited to Castel Gandolfo.

01:20:13.300 So, I mean, there is something big about to, you know, be announced.

01:20:19.940 But all this paranoia of these evangelics or these other religious denominations

01:20:25.220 that are facing uncertainty, the Vatican doesn't have that

01:20:27.680 because they have been preparing since the 1950s on having their own...

01:20:32.460 I mean, it might be BS.

01:20:34.000 It might be completely false, but they are ready for it.

01:20:37.580 Right.

01:20:38.020 So they are not in a state of fact.

01:20:39.820 It's not necessarily like the other denominations that are worrying.

01:20:43.940 It's more like Spielberg and the people who are in the know saying that those denominations, that Christianity should be worried because whatever is coming will destabilize.

01:20:55.620 I'll tell you one thing.

01:20:57.500 Spielberg gave his screenplay to David Coyne. 0.98

01:20:59.900 He's a Catholic Jesuit agent.

01:21:02.140 And the film is filled with Catholic elements.

01:21:05.700 The former nun is one of the protagonists.

01:21:07.800 the nuns and monastery even talking about the aliens at one point regurgitating something that

01:21:13.640 was originally said by some saint padre peel regarding the fact that they are ready to embrace

01:21:19.720 the extraterrestrial so their position which has always been the position i have put here in this

01:21:25.800 this is the front cover of the observatory romano which is a official newspaper of the vatican and

01:21:35.400 And in that article, it says,

01:21:37.980 L'extraterrestre e mio fratello.

01:21:40.920 The extraterrestrial is my brother.

01:21:43.700 So here we have it more clear.

01:21:48.400 The extraterrestrial is my brother?

01:21:51.080 That's what it says?

01:21:52.120 Yeah.

01:21:52.820 And that is the official newspaper of the Vatican.

01:21:56.580 And in my book, I explain the whole history of how they embraced

01:22:01.860 and why they are embracing.

01:22:03.140 So it will finally make you understand who is in charge of this disclosure and why the Vatican is heading the whole thing in their own way.

01:22:13.860 It's fascinating right now. You know, the Vatican has been such a big player in this for so long, maybe the key player.

01:22:21.160 And you're right. They are shockingly silent. I mean, there are these things that are coming out that are fascinating to look at.

01:22:27.980 But for the most part, very quiet from a from a previous institution that said they would baptize them.

01:22:33.140 You know, it's interesting. You think that they would be talking quite a bit right now.

01:22:36.500 And while that's happening, the world is looking at the Jews in Israel, which is like, you know, there's a lot of issues going on there with that situation.

01:22:44.820 What in the world is that?

01:22:46.560 That is allegedly something that was found in the 90s in the Vatican archives.

01:22:51.840 The Vatican archives.

01:22:53.700 Inside the, under the pavement.

01:22:58.680 Fascinating. Fascinating.

01:23:00.240 I think we're experiencing something right now where the greater, I don't know what you would call it, conspiracy, community, truth or community, all of those words are pretty distasteful, but they're looking at one thing while something else is about to happen.

01:23:16.160 yeah no i mean you know when they are telling you look at the light in the skies but don't look at

01:23:20.960 the actual computer that is driving your life and at the alien you have in your pocket because you

01:23:26.080 have the ai fruit of reverse engineering which is guiding your life they are telling you look

01:23:31.440 there don't look here and yeah you know and while they're closing the grid their plan is very clear

01:23:38.480 by 2030 they will close the grid then they will announce of course there is this alien this other

01:23:42.880 alien but at that point you can do whatever you want because they're gonna simply call a robot

01:23:48.560 drone come to your door and you will be arrested micro ship and silence forever and your internet

01:23:55.640 will no longer be available so i mean it's like you know we have the credit score system already

01:24:01.060 in china which is connected to the way you think about certain things well the same thing will

01:24:06.960 apply here to the united states in a few years those aliens are demons okay stop that guy close

01:24:12.600 the infinite channel and that's it let's move on where do you put this where do you put this

01:24:17.080 against uh biblical prophecy which i'm sure that you're uh familiar with like the book of revelation

01:24:21.460 kind of stuff because as this plays out it yeah sounds a lot like biblical prophecy but it seems

01:24:26.640 like the powers that be are aiming to put to push this in one direction and then the bible says that

01:24:31.720 it goes in a completely different direction what would your prediction be because i think that yes

01:24:36.860 we are not alone, but also regarding those different races, demonic, angelic, more structure

01:24:43.840 towards us, you know, embracing us as being of this universe, others that want to actually

01:24:50.780 limit us, dumb us down, because they're afraid that when we become finally space travelers,

01:24:56.860 we have this potential that could really jeopardize them.

01:25:00.240 We have a mind that if it really was fully operative,

01:25:04.940 we jeopardize a lot of this less developed, 1.00

01:25:09.360 these races that have given up even on creativity. 0.91

01:25:12.840 Because imagine this, you know, we have the AI now

01:25:16.360 and it's damning down people and it's not even started.

01:25:19.400 In a million years from now, how will a race react to things

01:25:23.220 when we're no longer able to even think with our own brains?

01:25:26.800 And yes, we might be advanced.

01:25:28.620 we might have all kinds of technology 0.97

01:25:31.160 like these alien beings often have

01:25:32.980 but we are not creative any longer 0.96

01:25:35.140 and that is

01:25:37.100 a big problem

01:25:37.960 so they come here still

01:25:41.140 because they need our creativity

01:25:43.160 they need you know

01:25:44.740 even when we reverse engineer we put some

01:25:47.160 element of

01:25:49.080 that creativity within it

01:25:50.760 that is not alien

01:25:52.760 but is human

01:25:53.840 so that is the problem here

01:25:56.960 They will not reveal us the whole truth because of the Lockheed Martins of the situation, because of the usual excuse of the, you know, national security here, national security there.

01:26:08.480 But we as human beings inevitably will be eventually able to know the truth because the advances in technology make it impossible to hide this reality much longer.

01:26:20.880 And they know that. The Disclosure Day narrative of Spielberg that brings the Disclosure Day, you know, on TV is already something of the past. Because, I mean, who cares about the TV station in Kansas City?

01:26:36.100 You know, because the point is to actually, you know, put out this truth any way you can.

01:26:43.360 And today you could do it simply through the Internet without, you know, considering even going to one of these mainstream newspapers or news services, which are now being, you know, they're so dated that they are losing, you know, even relevance in the whole discourse.

01:27:02.860 so they know that we are in front of that kind of thing and that's why they're accelerating at

01:27:09.340 least the disclosure in a soft way and they're giving us these hints that yes they exist yes

01:27:16.120 this this but they're not gonna tell us you know we are because the moment they admit the reverse

01:27:22.440 engineering then we will have a lot of questions yeah okay you reverse engineer this thing and what

01:27:30.700 tells you that they actually

01:27:32.440 because the biggest thing that I

01:27:34.540 reveal also here is the scientists

01:27:36.680 like Gary Nolan and others, they don't

01:27:38.640 call them UFO crashes.

01:27:40.440 They call them GIFs.

01:27:42.380 Why do they call them GIFs?

01:27:45.020 They are Trojan horses.

01:27:47.640 And the reality 0.57

01:27:48.500 soon is about to

01:27:50.300 the grid close

01:27:51.780 and then at that point once we

01:27:54.440 don't have that level

01:27:56.440 of reaction that could

01:27:58.400 jeopardize their intention, you know,

01:28:00.300 That's why they're so scared. That's why Peter Thiel is scared.

01:28:03.080 That's why they are building the Palantir control all over us

01:28:07.100 in every single state of the planet. 0.98

01:28:09.800 This big brother that is overly obsessed with control.

01:28:14.980 It is overly obsessed with control because the moment in which

01:28:18.240 the disclosure is finally revealed, there will be problems.

01:28:22.340 Now, in my book, in Chapter 4, I reveal the surveys that were conducted.

01:28:26.560 You know, in the 90s, you have the Alexander religious survey.

01:28:30.300 It was conducted, though, by who?

01:28:32.820 By John B. Alexander and by his wife, the abductive Victoria Alexander.

01:28:36.740 You know who these people are?

01:28:38.960 Alexander is the guy from The Man of Stair of Goats,

01:28:41.320 one of the guys from Project Stargate.

01:28:43.160 Oh!

01:28:44.840 Colonel Alexander. 0.98

01:28:47.220 His wife did the Serbi, and we should, you know,

01:28:50.200 the Serbi said that there would be no problem

01:28:52.560 because the Americans are, you know, good enough to take that revelation.

01:28:57.260 they went into the

01:28:59.120 specific of every single religious denomination

01:29:01.100 then in 2008

01:29:02.280 Reverend Peters from the Lutheran American Church

01:29:05.160 did another survey, it's called the Peter

01:29:07.000 survey, and

01:29:08.580 same kind of result officially

01:29:10.740 but then non-officially

01:29:12.440 the same people and their friends

01:29:15.060 are claiming there will be a great danger

01:29:16.900 for them, especially I think

01:29:18.920 once the truth is revealed

01:29:20.220 so yeah, the

01:29:22.740 Serbis now are actually

01:29:24.380 used by the Jesuits

01:29:26.420 a month ago, when Guy Consulmanio

01:29:28.640 did a video about Disclosure Day of

01:29:30.560 Steven Spielberg, he referred to the

01:29:32.440 Peter's survey of 2008

01:29:33.960 and said, oh well,

01:29:36.500 the survey states that in the end

01:29:38.120 people can take this

01:29:40.440 revelation, there will be no problem for the

01:29:42.460 religious, you know. The thing

01:29:44.500 though is, and they all admit

01:29:46.660 that, that once

01:29:48.500 a disclosure is in effect, people

01:29:50.600 will not go to their political leaders.

01:29:52.920 They will go to their religious

01:29:54.580 leaders that's why this book is so relevant excellent man um man i want to i gotta ask the

01:30:02.980 well we're bringing in for a close leo and i have to ask you this is a question that we ask everybody

01:30:07.480 it always actually yields it's a simple question yields fascinating responses um given how long

01:30:13.240 you've been doing this given where we are now all the things that you've been through all of the work

01:30:17.520 and the time that you've dedicated to this topic,

01:30:20.340 are you having fun currently?

01:30:23.540 I'm free, free of doing my work,

01:30:26.800 which is for me fun,

01:30:28.300 in the sense that when I was in Europe,

01:30:30.380 I was, you know, currently,

01:30:33.400 I'm free of writing,

01:30:35.860 I'm protected by the First Amendment,

01:30:37.740 I'm now an American citizen,

01:30:39.300 and I'm also, you know,

01:30:40.720 I can have with the Second Amendment,

01:30:42.540 I can carry myself again and not have any problems.

01:30:44.780 In Europe, I didn't have these freedoms.

01:30:47.380 and so i'm currently happy because i'm free of doing my work i don't have the limitations i had

01:30:54.580 back in europe the persecution and and that makes me of course happy you know i mean when you are

01:31:01.940 locked up tortured and you know literally uh threatened left right and center i mean and you

01:31:07.780 find yourself yourself in america in a place you know in america you can really appreciate real

01:31:15.540 freedom if you are not American I guess

01:31:17.560 when you are American you are born in it

01:31:19.740 and so you don't really get to appreciate it

01:31:21.880 I appreciate it

01:31:23.920 because I saw what it means

01:31:25.420 to not have that freedom

01:31:26.840 in Italy they think

01:31:29.420 they have freedom but there is a series

01:31:31.560 of laws that have been kept since the fascist

01:31:33.580 times if even after the war

01:31:35.240 you can get arrested for

01:31:37.500 simply writing an article

01:31:38.860 against a politician or the

01:31:41.520 Vatican you can get literally

01:31:43.380 arrested for writing a book

01:31:45.500 in Italy imagine that it's like you know during the pandemic fortunately I was

01:31:54.800 here in California I was watching people that in the center of Rome were said

01:31:59.900 that they had to walk in this way rather than that way by the police not driving

01:32:07.440 their car but literally walking in a direction rather than another or when

01:32:12.620 they went out of the house, they had to write

01:32:14.460 where they were going. 0.65

01:32:16.340 This kind of thing is North Korea.

01:32:19.040 I was like, and I was like 1.00

01:32:20.540 saying to the Italians, you're insane. 1.00

01:32:22.780 This level of control is insane. 1.00

01:32:24.440 You should overthrow your government tomorrow morning.

01:32:27.300 Nothing.

01:32:28.480 Passive. And now

01:32:30.000 that the whole pandemic

01:32:32.220 is almost forgotten, and

01:32:34.380 when, you know, Tulsi Gabbard comes

01:32:36.460 on her last day and says, well,

01:32:38.580 Fauci is involved, Deep State,

01:32:40.700 they invested in one and nobody says anything it's like okay yes let's move on move on there

01:32:47.860 is people who died this is people who suffered for this biological warfare and you are telling me

01:32:54.740 ah okay nothing to see here it's really uh i mean i'm happy because i'm alive that's it yeah yeah

01:33:05.400 i love i love that man i love that answer dude well look uh leo this was a fantastic conversation

01:33:12.840 i want to thank you for for your time um that you spent with us here and and for the work that

01:33:18.080 you've done over these years and uh before we get out of here i want to be able to remind everybody

01:33:23.380 who's listening where they because you've said a lot of fascinating stuff and you've told us

01:33:27.220 chapters and and and things of that nature where these things are talked about in your books um

01:33:32.400 So where can people find these books?

01:33:34.440 Okay, you can find, of course, all my latest book

01:33:38.060 and my latest articles, as you're showing on Leo's,

01:33:41.080 which is my website.

01:33:43.680 And, of course, you can also find the links there

01:33:46.240 with all my latest books,

01:33:48.160 which are provided at the end of each article.

01:33:50.620 And, of course, you can also find them on Amazon.

01:33:53.680 So I think you will find a lot of food for thought

01:33:57.960 in my website

01:34:00.180 which is now actually

01:34:01.880 celebrating 10 years

01:34:03.380 it was

01:34:05.960 open originally much earlier

01:34:07.800 but then it suffered a series of

01:34:09.760 consequences because of my

01:34:11.600 disclosure work wasn't really

01:34:13.880 aligning with the powers to be

01:34:15.640 so they tried to shut my website over and over

01:34:17.960 again but it's been

01:34:19.820 now 10 years that

01:34:21.180 and I hope it stays there

01:34:23.680 but if not you have my books

01:34:26.000 they are always there for you

01:34:28.140 and I suggest you get them on paper

01:34:30.160 now this book you can get on paper

01:34:31.840 you can get on hardcover but you can also

01:34:34.060 get on Kindle, the problem with Kindle

01:34:36.260 that I have is yes I'm

01:34:38.020 always wanting people get

01:34:39.860 also a backup on paper

01:34:41.820 because we don't know the future of Kindle

01:34:43.840 with AI being scraped off the map

01:34:46.320 from one day to another so

01:34:47.760 I'm glad that you gave me this

01:34:49.860 possibility with your audience because

01:34:52.040 I tell you there's very few shows

01:34:54.160 even though it's quite weird

01:34:56.000 this book last week at one point was number

01:34:58.320 one in the bestsellers of UFOs

01:35:00.620 you know you expect all kinds of people

01:35:02.400 to invite you on their shows

01:35:03.540 very few people

01:35:06.500 except for my friends

01:35:07.620 interesting

01:35:08.540 Timothee's situation never replied

01:35:12.900 I'd like to see

01:35:16.520 a conversation between him and Paranoid 0.64

01:35:18.500 American that would be fantastic

01:35:20.040 also we'd love to if there's anything you'd ever like to

01:35:22.380 discuss again i mean we only had you for an hour and a half and obviously you know you're dealing

01:35:26.740 with decades of work here um so we'd love to have you back this book is you know the rise and fall

01:35:34.100 of frankist monster is you know about jeffrey epstein and the sabbatian frankist it was the

01:35:42.800 first book to ever discuss his alignment with the sect and his involvement the family milieu

01:35:49.480 the background you know

01:35:51.420 which by the way in the end

01:35:53.640 connects with this book because

01:35:55.660 the mega group of Les Wexner

01:35:57.640 Steven Spielberg was a

01:35:59.860 member

01:36:00.160 well we'll have to

01:36:02.880 send you an email because I'd love to have you back

01:36:05.800 to discuss this

01:36:06.780 it was a pleasure

01:36:08.360 it was a pleasure please send me a link

01:36:11.480 when you post it all over the internet

01:36:12.920 for the great success of this show

01:36:14.760 and you carry on yourself as you're doing

01:36:17.640 because you're doing a great job

01:36:18.940 But thank you.

01:36:20.100 Same to you, Leo.

01:36:21.020 I appreciate your time.

01:36:22.040 All right.

01:36:22.240 Have a good day, man.

01:36:23.360 Guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

01:36:27.260 We'll see you later. 0.57

01:36:27.860 They bred with daughters of men and they will do it again. 0.94

01:36:37.800 The end is written in the book, in the pages they foreseen. 0.96

01:36:48.940 Death Squad

01:36:50.940 Death Squad

01:36:55.120 Death Squad

01:36:58.160 Never look

01:37:06.980 Death Squad

01:37:08.520 When the last trumpet sounds

01:37:10.580 And the heavens

Nephilim Death Squad - July 05, 2026

Confessions of an Illuminati w⧸ Leo Zagami

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