Nephilim Death Squad - Daily Dose of Wisdom w⧸ Brandon McGuire

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00:02:19.800 guest today joining us today is brandon mcguire of the daily dose of wisdom is it the show or

00:02:26.260 the podcast brandon which one which which phrase do you prefer how does your show identify

00:02:30.840 you know i don't care it's it's mainly a youtube channel and then i realized i should probably

00:02:37.560 talk to the people that i'm always talking about and so then the podcast was born out of that so

00:02:41.940 i don't know you tell me oh all right i like show because something about when you say podcast when

00:02:48.060 people ask me what i do yeah and then you go i'm a podcaster you go i gotta like brush my teeth

00:02:53.760 afterwards. Brandon, before we get into this conversation, let's let everybody know who's

00:02:58.320 listening, what it is that you do and where they can find your work. Yeah. So I've got a YouTube

00:03:02.940 channel called Daily Dose of Wisdom. I normally deal with apologetics and philosophy and theology

00:03:08.300 and cultural issues that are a little bit less fringe, a little bit less esoteric than the stuff

00:03:12.760 that you guys deal with. But the Epstein file stuff really caught my interest as you start seeing

00:03:17.600 like the receipts that are coming out of that, that it's not, you know, so-and-so said so,

00:03:21.580 but it's like, oh, there it is. That's an actual verified email on a federal website that is

00:03:26.780 talking about some crazy stuff. So that kind of took me down the research rabbit hole. And

00:03:31.840 eventually, I found myself to y'all's channel and everything. And so it's interesting. It's

00:03:36.500 this particular topic that I know you guys are way more into than I am and way further down this

00:03:42.420 rabbit hole. But it's so interesting how different breadcrumbs in scripture seem to map on top of

00:03:51.580 of uh not only past events but perhaps future events as well so that is really interesting to

00:03:57.800 me and then you know you start digging into it and you see oh like you know legitimate people

00:04:01.620 like michael heiser and chuck missler and people have kind of been barking up this tree so okay

00:04:06.560 i'm not like off on some crazy island here this is actually like you know there are legitimate

00:04:11.220 dots to be connected let's keep let's keep going and let's keep seeing what we get here so anyways

00:04:14.880 i'm excited to talk to you guys about that it's a little bit off the beaten path of what my channel

00:04:18.360 normally focuses on. But there is definitely an intersection, I think, between like our two

00:04:23.600 worlds or, you know, areas of focus. So I'm excited to kind of explore that plus, you know,

00:04:29.420 learn whatever else you guys want to talk about today.

00:04:32.220 It's actually a really great time because, excuse me, you know, you said there's overlap between

00:04:37.980 what you focus on and what we focus on. Well, it seems just like we're coming at the same

00:04:42.400 conclusion, but from slightly different, not slightly, almost opposite directions. Like

00:04:47.080 David has come from the conspiracy world. And within the last, I mean, you can just tell him

00:04:52.360 your testimony. I guess I was into conspiracy for a really long time. And I never outright

00:04:59.640 dismissed Christianity or the Bible or anything like that. Because of course, if you're looking

00:05:04.440 into conspiracy, it comes up constantly. But it was one of those things where I was inundated with

00:05:09.800 so many different points of views that I wasn't ready to say which one definitively had it. And

00:05:16.400 It was a long time before I realized that the Bible is the correct lens to look at this whole situation through.

00:05:24.840 And it made sense of so many different things and it keeps bearing good fruit.

00:05:29.220 But this this time that we're in right now, it's it's almost like I think this is a great conversation that we're going to have because it's one that is going to resemble a lot of conversations that a lot of people are about to have just given the speed with which at the dinner table.

00:05:46.400 at the dinner table, at work, you know, public transportation, whatever, you're going to be

00:05:51.980 having these conversations because, as you said, right, the Epstein files get released.

00:05:56.300 I don't know what we're at. Is it 6.5 or 7 million documents released through the DOJ?

00:06:02.420 I'm sure we've we're yet to see the implications of a lot of those documents because I don't know

00:06:07.400 how long, you know, endless amounts of Internet sleuths are going to take to get through all

00:06:11.980 these files and find the things that are really important and really, you know, relevant to the

00:06:16.380 conversation but i imagine that process is still taking place right now and and and so as we go

00:06:22.620 forward we're going to see bigger names talking about this and that's going to bleed down to just

00:06:27.500 conversations at your dinner table at your job and um and so i think it's important to have

00:06:32.520 discussions like this where you know you have this foundation um in christ and and that's honestly

00:06:39.400 more important i think than having a foundation in conspiracy yeah it's just when people have

00:06:45.780 that foundation in christ and they allow the conspiracy to make them believe that those two

00:06:52.400 things don't apply to one another meaning you're gonna see stuff in the epstein files you're gonna

00:06:58.040 see alien stuff whatever they want we were just having a conversation because we operate out of a

00:07:02.960 coffee shop the back of a coffee shop so uh interesting interesting guy he's a pastor former

00:07:07.980 pastor i suppose uh writing some books but he very much like you coming from like a a christian

00:07:13.680 background, it seems. He's like, well, what's the show about? And we just started giving him a quick

00:07:18.820 breakdown of what we're talking about and what we're thinking. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I've

00:07:21.940 been thinking the same things. I just don't know where to start. Don't know how to put it. And it's

00:07:27.380 like, well, okay, we're all looking at this from the correct perspective. Now we have to discover

00:07:32.880 what's happening here. And we have to be careful how we unveil this because it can get tricky.

00:07:38.400 You want to be rooted in the gospel. But a lot of these things are going to present themselves in a

00:07:43.480 way that it's going to try to convince you that that's not applicable. And it is. I want to ask

00:07:48.700 you, Brandon, before we get into all the crazy stuff, what was your show previously about? I

00:07:54.780 mean, I know now you're exploring these Epstein files and things like that. You said apologetics.

00:07:58.940 What would an episode of Daily Dose of Wisdom have looked like before all this stuff came to

00:08:04.060 the table? Yeah, I know. I love that question because it kind of directly relates to, so for

00:08:09.200 example, I have probably done 20 videos trying to tackle in different ways, the topic of morality

00:08:18.580 and of good and of evil and essentially making the case like if something if anything is better

00:08:23.860 than something else, then there has to be some ultimate standard by which we're measuring

00:08:28.240 what is better than something else. Like if something's better than something's ultimately

00:08:33.260 good, there has to be some measuring stick. It cannot at the end of the day, be just my moral

00:08:38.100 opinion versus your moral opinion, and it's all hunky-dory, we know that there is actually good

00:08:45.120 and actually evil. But the way that you go about making that case philosophically, it can get,

00:08:49.460 you know, it can get heady. It can feel very detached, very abstract. And people's basically

00:08:54.800 defenses are up because they're like, no, like, I want to argue that either morality is just

00:09:00.020 totally relative, or I want to argue that it's basically mass buy-in, like a John Stuart Mill

00:09:06.360 moral utilitarian type of view, or I want to argue that it's just culturally based or that

00:09:12.180 it doesn't exist at all, or that it's just ethical emotivism. It's just, how do you feel? Boo,

00:09:16.660 murder, boo, Epstein Island. But there's no actual truth claim in reference when we're talking about

00:09:23.900 morality. Morality is not even something related to truth. It's just a matter of your emotional

00:09:27.880 response to events that take place in the world and so on and so forth. So there's all these

00:09:31.880 different moral frameworks that exist and in my channel i'm basically saying man the price tag

00:09:37.340 like the intellectual price tag of of buying into any of those frameworks is that you have to look

00:09:43.580 the most evil thing in the face and say it's not really evil it's just your opinion and to me that's

00:09:48.720 just that's like a hill that's a bridge way too far for me but then once you go okay maybe there

00:09:53.800 really is real good and real evil but the second that you concede that point you're now presented

00:09:59.800 with, well, according to what? C.S. Lewis said this the best. If we look out at our world and

00:10:06.080 we call it crooked, then what is the idea that we have of what is a straight line to judge this

00:10:11.980 world as being crooked against? What is that thing that we're thinking of? Well, it's a

00:10:16.320 transcendent, objective, moral reality that exists in the character and nature of God, ultimately.

00:10:21.760 If there's morality, then there's a moral... If there's moral good and evil, there's a moral law.

00:10:28.020 If there's a moral law, there's a moral law giver is ultimately like the moral argument pointing towards God.

00:10:33.640 But my point is you make that type of a case and it stays inside of this box of theory and philosophy.

00:10:39.660 And I think it is effective for some people because, you know, it follows logically fairly well.

00:10:45.160 But what I love about, in a strange way, what I love about the Epstein files coming out is it gives like a cultural referent to be able to talk about that

00:10:56.080 where you can kind of just go beneath the skin of all of that and just say, this is obviously

00:11:03.580 evil, right? And people basically feel that at a visceral level. And it's like, we're no longer

00:11:08.840 just theorizing in the ivory tower about what is there really good or is this really evil? It's

00:11:13.000 just hit us in the face. We see the photographs, we see the little baby with the black redaction

00:11:19.680 over her face, and you feel sick to your stomach and you're no longer pontificating about whether

00:11:25.480 or not it's evil you're asking yourself the question like what brings this like why do people

00:11:30.020 do this why is the world the way that it is what's like the explanation of this kind of behavior

00:11:34.820 and it really i think moves the ball forward in a more helpful um direction so and by the way that

00:11:40.220 motif uh just last thought of this that that motif is i think really important that um

00:11:46.420 what's happening right now in the world is and i think you guys were just referencing this with

00:11:53.020 what you were saying about the conversations that are going to happen in public transportation and

00:11:56.240 dinner tables and all that is like we are i really believe as as modern civilization crossing a

00:12:04.240 cultural linguistic barrier between the ideas that are described in the bible that for a long time

00:12:11.720 have been thought about in a fairy tale context angels demons give me a break but then man we're

00:12:18.140 going to take really serious though like there's actually like a disclosure thing happening in the

00:12:22.680 government. Well, what is this? And so that divide between like the language and the culture of the

00:12:28.040 Bible and the language and the culture of the modern world, I think is lessening. I think that

00:12:32.700 like a bridge is being built between those two worlds. And we're figuring out how to talk about

00:12:37.480 these topics in a way that is actually relevant to people. Like we can, we can, I'm happy to

00:12:42.360 change up the language if you guys want, if you, you know what I'm saying? If you believe in like

00:12:46.300 the Anunnaki that are always talked about on the history channel, I'll go there with you. Like,

00:12:50.620 I think the Bible does talk about the Anunnaki. We can map these concepts on top of each other

00:12:56.360 and realize that we're basically talking about the same thing. But the real question is,

00:12:59.800 who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? So normally on my channel, I'm talking all about,

00:13:05.680 like I said, philosophy, theology, and culture, and ultimately saying, hey,

00:13:11.260 God, Christianity is the best explanation for reality. And by the way, it's really good news.

00:13:17.020 like if true, amazing. If true, best story ever, actually real. Aragorn, real. Neo, real. Braveheart,

00:13:23.220 real. All of these things are types and shadows of the actual hero that, you know, even Joseph

00:13:27.680 Campbell talking about the hero with a thousand faces. He's real. Jesus is real. He's historic.

00:13:32.420 Hamlet wrote himself into, Shakespeare rather, wrote himself into Hamlet. The creator entered

00:13:37.340 the creation and he makes himself on center stage, the solution to our biggest problem,

00:13:41.960 which is the problem of evil. And he gives us hope for life everlasting through defeating death

00:13:47.980 in his resurrection. So if Christianity is true, it is by far the greatest news ever and everybody

00:13:53.320 should immediately attach to it. But what's the cognitive dissonance? What are the things that

00:13:57.860 are being believed that make that unbelievable? Or what are the things that are being held in

00:14:01.700 view that make that undesirable? That's really what I'm interested in normally talking about

00:14:05.580 on the channel. But again, I love this intersection between our channels because it kind of takes a

00:14:09.300 lot of that like theory philosophy theology and it's like let's talk about literally what's on

00:14:14.740 like the doj website as of last month and it like brings everything into focus and it helps people

00:14:20.580 realize like the bible is not a fairy book from the bronze age it is a description of reality that

00:14:26.380 has actually predictive language inside of it that is playing out in a shockingly uh accurate

00:14:32.200 manner so um i don't know that's you know a couple thoughts dude okay there's a lot of great stuff

00:14:37.920 there i come from a libertarian background so what you're describing about this uh this philosophy

00:14:43.860 that adheres to different standards it it's very much the it's the issue that i did have with

00:14:48.800 libertarianism where i do love the philosophy i love the ideas i love the especially the um

00:14:53.160 the monetary thinkers i think they're they're genius but when it comes to their their underpinning

00:14:58.100 or that center point it was for me always god and i was like if you don't have god in the middle of

00:15:03.780 your political theory or your i don't know social theory cultural theory it falls apart or it flies

00:15:09.280 off the hinges because you'll get people in and they'll just put their fingers in and start ripping

00:15:12.840 at the seams with god uh these things kind of orbit around it it makes sense so i'm right there

00:15:19.200 with you philosophically but our show kind of does we we start at the point of like uh the most insane

00:15:25.720 thing the most insane thing and then we go from there we're like i'm not even going to explain

00:15:29.980 the philosophy or the, well, I mean, guys, we talk about the nature of God.

00:15:34.580 Well, a lot of my problem with, like, let's say, for example, the Libertarian Party was

00:15:38.520 like, you need to deal with the reality of the situation and you're not.

00:15:43.800 And the reality of the situation is the governmental systems that you hope to infiltrate and then

00:15:48.480 use the proper channels to rectify all the things that are wrong with the country.

00:15:51.980 Thank you.

00:16:21.980 is run in great part by people who are sacrificing children and and if you can't have that conversation

00:16:30.500 we just do you see how we just jump to that's what we do constantly but here's the thing

00:16:35.260 you're saying like all right we're all now able to talk about this thing finally and i'm i'm i'm

00:16:40.520 saying we're all now able to talk about this thing once again there's nothing new under the sun this

00:16:45.820 is just come full cycle again and i i think uh a couple years ago tucker carl tucker carlson was

00:16:50.720 talking about the intentional deadening of the spirituality in america specifically yeah removing

00:16:56.980 our awareness of the spiritual realm detaching us from it yeah about 70 years ago this happens

00:17:01.520 let's say the 50s a lot of stuff happens in the 1950s that's interesting it's the same time that

00:17:06.120 elohim drops on the graph of being mentioned in in relevant culture on google which is fascinating

00:17:12.140 right so we're stripped of this go ahead brandon no i was just gonna say even the even the

00:17:17.020 enlightenment if you go back a little bit further where they parade lady reason through the streets

00:17:22.000 as a type of an idol as if basically humanism has won the day and reason alone yeah look look

00:17:30.920 look into uh you know like the it's the during the french um like the french revolution and like

00:17:36.440 all those kind of big revolutions that were happening during the enlightenment you know

00:17:40.740 the concept there was, was yeah, like humanity and reason and science explain everything. We

00:17:47.780 don't need any kind of transcendent. So they prop up lady reason as this, uh, you know, like there's

00:17:53.520 like a parade, like we've like, we've basically, and this is why Nietzsche isn't actually making

00:17:58.420 a proclamation. He's making an analysis through, you know, through the madman. And when he says

00:18:03.500 God is dead, he's not saying from in that context, he's not saying, I believe God is dead. He's

00:18:09.560 having a care he's speaking through the voice of a character who's making an observation about the

00:18:14.360 culture we've killed him we we no longer believe in him we've thrown god to the side and and now

00:18:19.440 we worship lady reason so yeah i think i think it's definitely there and i think it's basically

00:18:24.260 bottoming out right now i think things like the epstein files are an evidence that it's bottoming

00:18:28.760 out because you know we might we may have been culturally brainwashed into believing that matter

00:18:34.100 is all that is. And we're an accident from nowhere for no reason. But ultimately, what a boring and

00:18:39.920 dissatisfying worldview. And I think when you look at the elites, you realize, oh, you guys don't

00:18:44.320 believe that even Lawrence Krauss doesn't believe that Lawrence Krauss says that he believes that

00:18:48.180 Lawrence Krauss writes a book called the universe from nothing. But in reality, Lauren, Lawrence

00:18:52.280 Krauss is working alongside of Epstein trying to disentangle the connection between UFOs,

00:18:57.580 out-of-body experiences and ghosts what in the world yeah i mean this is this is a huge eye

00:19:04.020 opener for me too when i'm younger where it's like you know you are you're force-fed this

00:19:07.060 materialistic paradigm but then you look at you know for lack of a better term bible's boring

00:19:11.500 well besides even that you just look at the elites you know in whatever form they might take and

00:19:16.320 you're like well they're doing a lot of i don't know worshiping of deities and sacrifices and

00:19:21.360 rituals and all of their iconography and they're you know in hollywood and elsewhere it's it's all

00:19:27.000 saturated in like babylonian symbolism and but yeah but we live in a materialistic paradigm no

00:19:32.600 problem there's no problem with that you know you were talking about uh morality and how um i i'm

00:19:38.620 gonna kind of paraphrase what you were saying it's almost like we were were stripped of all of the

00:19:44.180 um knowledge of the nature of evil right it's like culture and society became so luxurious here in

00:19:53.320 the west yeah i was gonna when as you were speaking the word decadent kept popping yeah

00:19:57.880 because i mean honestly a poor person lives in better conditions than a king did you know all

00:20:03.080 those years ago and so uh we've allowed ourselves to enter such a level of comfort that we can't see

00:20:09.100 even though a lot of people listening might not think they live in an ivory tower historically

00:20:13.040 speaking i think we do within that context we all live on a you know a sort of ivory tower

00:20:18.220 And it has obfuscated our ability to see evil, actual evil. So in a way, yeah, the Epstein files being released has given us a window into what actual evil is. And it's it's it's kind of forced this this conversation.

00:20:33.240 And I think that that is, for me, it's how I got to the table, where if that level of evil that most people didn't want to acknowledge existed, then certainly there has to be an extreme good, right?

00:20:47.180 That was so. So in the in the in a world of polarities, if you do have this thing that, you know, conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time and Christians have been saying for a long time, if you're not going through sort of a lukewarm Christianity and you really do believe that there are actual forces of evil, then there has to be this this ultimate good that that transcends just the morality of man, the decisions of man.

00:21:12.020 and so yeah i think that we've actually done ourselves a disservice it's interesting to

00:21:17.120 think about that like have we made things you make you try and you strive for like a utopia

00:21:22.780 but i don't think that human beings uh are built for a utopia not at least a man-made one

00:21:29.560 and you can see all the horrifying things if you if you do give people sufficient bread and circus

00:21:37.200 well they become numb and they become complacent and all that does is create an avenue that can

00:21:44.780 operate out in the open really for all intents and purposes i mean it's been here right under

00:21:49.200 our noses and they fictionalize it they put it in hollywood and all this other stuff and and

00:21:53.880 that way if you do see it it's associated with uh fiction it's associated with fantasy i guess i

00:21:59.840 have a question for you brandon because as you're talking about this i'm just thinking about the

00:22:03.140 latest article that came out about them seeding the sky like like i think the article title was

00:22:07.260 they're poisoning the skies it's like yeah i've been yeah every day i go outside and i yell at

00:22:11.320 the skies because they're poisoning them why why in your opinion are we finding all of this out

00:22:17.660 now because the epstein files is a huge shoe drop and then we're talking about ufo files and we're

00:22:22.820 talking about i mean they're like yeah we poison the sky we just did the whole dyes in the food

00:22:26.660 and all the poison why right now that's a great question what's happening yeah what do you think

00:22:31.560 Yeah. Um, I, I will give my best current understanding and then I'll kind of push it

00:22:38.780 back to you guys as well. Cause this actually leads like my answer to this question will

00:22:42.320 inevitably lead into one question that I wanted to ask you guys, um, after listening to your

00:22:48.520 conversation with Albarino. And so maybe, yeah, it was a brutal one. Well, yeah, I'm just curious.

00:22:56.960 so i let me first give my answer so um i think it's possible that it's actually this actually

00:23:05.160 directly ties into what you were just saying about utopia right so um i actually like took

00:23:09.420 a class in college called utopia and it's the study of how every time that there's like

00:23:17.040 like almost without fail like a real wide-scale civilization level tragedy that takes place like

00:23:25.920 you know like the holocaust or any anything like that the the holodomer um on and on right

00:23:30.860 it's always sold under the banner of utopia it's it's always here's how we're going to bring about

00:23:39.320 a better world and everybody i mean even really marxism fundamentally is that right workers of

00:23:43.780 the world unite like this is bad this is a problem but if we all band together and revolt over the

00:23:51.840 the bad guys or in the case of paul pot the people who wear spectacles if we just kill all

00:23:57.100 the people that wear spectacles the world will finally be really good if we just kill all those

00:24:01.460 nasty uh jews in our society they're they're taking all of our jobs the world will be better

00:24:06.720 and like so every time that you have like that wide scale atrocity it's smuggled in it's a trojan

00:24:12.900 horse that's kind of smuggled in under the banner of utopia it's never hey what if we just did like

00:24:18.480 wide-scale destruction just like killed a bunch of people that'd be cool and everyone would be

00:24:22.260 like you're crazy no that's evil because we have moral conscience because we like ultimately want

00:24:26.680 the good it's always a a call to utopia here's how we get to a better world yeah you do have to

00:24:33.820 spill a couple omelets to make an egg but it's going to be worth it and that's basically how

00:24:37.700 it goes down um which again actually like tells us i think really important things about ourselves

00:24:42.940 the fact that we have souls, moral consciences are actually, in spite of all of that, created

00:24:48.560 in the image of God. And we actually have to trick ourselves into aiming at the good, even in order

00:24:53.120 to do great evil. That could be a whole conversation we could have around that.

00:24:57.780 But fundamentally, I think things, and this is just my theory, or this is where I currently

00:25:02.300 understand things to be, but there's going to have to be bigger and bigger problems in order

00:25:09.100 for there to be a solution to those problems and i think a lot of what you guys are what we're

00:25:14.460 talking about right now like why why do we all of a sudden get access to all of the the dark the dark

00:25:19.900 black underbelly like why do we all of a sudden get well because we need to uh and sort of maybe

00:25:26.300 a predictive programming kind of way begin to understand this type of framework that they're

00:25:32.140 that we're not alone in this galaxy and disclosure but things are also very problematic and man

00:25:37.220 they're seeding the skies yeah i mean i don't know anything about that but like i'm gonna assume that

00:25:41.640 that's a thing that's happening um and so you know oh that's really bad the government's bad we don't

00:25:47.040 trust the government things are bad there's wars and rumors of wars bigger and bigger and bigger

00:25:51.580 problems leading to more and more desperation we just need some kind of solution will somebody

00:25:57.580 help us we we're just poor humans on planet earth will anybody help us ta-da enter the beast system

00:26:04.060 enter the antichrist is how i see it um and so i think if you're thinking about it in that kind

00:26:10.040 of a way it makes sense like if everything's hunky-dory and all of a sudden there's some

00:26:13.920 kind of an ultimate disclosure or like presentation of hey you know i mean just think about how hard

00:26:19.060 the the cell is hey like religions i know you guys all have like your you know your heels really

00:26:25.300 sunk into your position for like thousands of years but what if what if the details don't matter

00:26:29.980 What if we just all kind of sing Kumbaya together and like, and the details don't matter. That's a really, really difficult buy-in to get to. But, you know, if you read the book of Revelation, you sort of see like a one world government, something along the lines of a one world religion, a great deception that if possible would even deceive the elect is what it says.

00:26:49.160 and so and you have the mention of signs and miracles and you know the man of lawlessness

00:26:55.580 and and the um as it was in the days of noah and the i saw three beasts come out of the mouth of

00:27:01.560 the prophet and the and the dragon and and the beast that looked like frogs and they performed

00:27:06.220 many wonders and you know so you see some of these little inklings and you're like i don't know what

00:27:10.900 all is gonna go down but whatever it is and however it looks like it's more likely to be

00:27:18.640 foisted on humanity if we're desperate Saul Alinsky was the perfect person who said this

00:27:23.540 never waste a crisis right if you guys know like rules for radicals he and which by the way was

00:27:28.360 dedicated to Satan uh Lucifer I don't know if you guys know that but I did not know that makes a lot

00:27:33.160 of sense really in the book I didn't read that part I kid you not google it or chat GPT whatever

00:27:38.380 right now uh on page one like of rules for radicals he says this book is dedicated to Lucifer

00:27:45.060 the original rebel or the ultimate rebel or something along those lines wow that's crazy

00:27:51.420 yeah so that's i think that's the plot that i think like has always worked is make people

00:27:58.640 desperate never waste a crisis and then when we're all kind of up against the wall and panicking

00:28:04.120 enter the solution which will be the false solution before you know ultimately the true

00:28:09.080 christ returns um so that's that's how i see it going down the reason so let me lead into my

00:28:13.740 question for you guys and also feel free to correct me on anything because i'm a noob in all

00:28:16.820 of this um when it comes to your conversation with albarino what like at the end of that where

00:28:23.620 do you guys like what are the nuts and bolts of where you guys disagree if at all after hashing

00:28:30.220 out that because i remember him saying like he thinks that the that like the grays could be

00:28:37.080 just part of that problem that i think i'm talking about and then the sons of god become the solution

00:28:43.020 like kind of like someone puppeting you you know like it's a it's a magician with two hands he's

00:28:47.020 like i'm attacking you with the grace it's ultimately the same person and then i'm solving

00:28:51.100 your problem with the sons of god and we're like yay like do you guys buy into that as a as a

00:28:55.440 possibility or do you just think anything like any kind of whatever that is like demonic flesh

00:29:01.340 puppet is just ridiculous or like like i guess in a nutshell where do you guys if at all disagree

00:29:06.100 with Albarino at this point.

00:29:36.100 well if i if i may i i think that um we tend to agree with alberino on a great percentage of

00:29:44.160 things i would say like upwards of 90 that episode yeah and i mean i'll release the email but

00:29:49.220 in the email leading up to it i said hey this is a 15 minute disagreement he he challenged us to

00:29:54.980 the debate and i was like here are some other topics that would be fascinating if we want to

00:29:59.160 fill like an hour and a half let's say of a show yeah i don't assume this is going to go much

00:30:03.140 further than 15 minutes we got stuck on the definition of a demon for 45 minutes the guy

00:30:07.660 filibuster it was very frustrating it was a strange thing and then he asked the community to like uh

00:30:12.180 not talk to us anymore not talk to us so thanks for showing up yeah so so the the main disagreement

00:30:19.140 i would say is and i think you've actually laid fertile ground uh for people to understand this

00:30:24.320 um when you're describing this great uh great big problem so that there could be a consolidation

00:30:29.640 of people under one banner right if you create a big enough bad guy let's say or a big enough issue

00:30:34.680 um and then you can rally people behind one singular solution well the my concern is that

00:30:42.220 there will be two major facilitators of that issue and the solution and those facilitators will be

00:30:47.860 um elements of our own government and then whatever this et situation will be right these

00:30:54.100 two things will be the things that give us new systems give us savior figures whatever the case

00:31:00.120 may be and when it comes to albarino my my real contention with him was two main things one this

00:31:09.540 collins elite narrative i think is very dangerous because what it does is it paints christians as

00:31:14.960 being um a stopping point for progress and and uh which number one we did clip him saying that

00:31:23.920 that uh the people are standing in the way of progress yeah disclosure technological progress

00:31:30.640 and then christian people christian people said they were misguided he has also tweeted that that

00:31:36.440 what i guess his words may have been a misstep and that is quite dangerous because christian

00:31:40.440 people will have a target on their back because of his rhetoric so that's what like one of the

00:31:44.120 things is very cool i think it's very cool they did that i think it's disingenuous because he

00:31:48.200 argued with us about it when in reality that's kind of what we were saying and he just wanted

00:31:53.360 Oh, it's exactly what we were saying. We weren't mincing words. But I at the end of the day, all I care about is the truth. So if Alvarino is going to then sidestep and say, actually, Colin's lead narrative is dangerous because it paints Christians as this. Then that's great. And that's awesome to me.

00:32:07.320 The other thing that to me is is very difficult to get past is he is almost feverishly defending Elizondo, you know, Jake Barber, all of the talking heads that are associated with disclosure as it's being facilitated by government entities.

00:32:23.900 So these people are either currently or X, but I don't think there's such thing as X military intelligence.

00:32:32.920 You don't get to not be military intelligence. You don't get to not be CIA.

00:32:36.180 You don't not get to be, you know, aerospace intelligence or any of these things anymore.

00:32:40.200 You can retire. He's not intelligently differentiating between.

00:32:45.540 I guess like he's not he's not differentiating between psyops.

00:32:49.100 And I don't know where you stand politically, but when we're talking to him, it's like, it's this boomer mentality of like, oh, well, what do you want to be a Democrat? What do you want to be a Republican? And I'm looking at, I mean, just look at the Epstein files. We have Democrats, Republicans across the political spectrum for, I don't know, 30, 40 years working in tandem to do whatever they're going to do.

00:33:07.780 Yeah. And I'm looking at this and I go like, it's like, Tim, do you think a white hat or a black hat is going to stop the gods of old, if that's what we're dealing with, from presenting themselves when they are ready to present themselves? Or if this is God's plan to allow this to happen, you think that Lou Elizondo is going to be the guy to blow the lid off the thing? No, he's a useful idiot that will be used. And if he if he steps to the side, somebody else will be put in his place and this will move forward.

00:33:35.380 They're all here to facilitate it. So this thing is happening. We are going forward and I don't need to pick a side between, you know, propose good guys and bad guys. It's ridiculous.

00:33:45.700 So so ultimately, my concern here is if we are moving towards this time where it's short and it seems to be on the horizon to get caught up in defining things, let's say from from your perspective, Brandon, right, where it's like you're you're new to this, but you're earnestly exploring it.

00:34:04.260 And, you know, you can see from your vantage point that this conversation is coming to the table.

00:34:09.240 Well, is it time to get caught up in defining Pleiadians, insectoids, tall grays, short grays, all these things?

00:34:18.260 Or is it to say, where is the line?

00:34:21.220 What is in opposition to the kingdom of God?

00:34:23.280 What is in opposition to humanity?

00:34:25.000 And what is still within the grace of God?

00:34:27.340 That's the only dividing line that I really care about.

00:34:29.960 We can talk about those things because they're interesting and they make for fascinating conversation.

00:34:34.260 But if you're going to present yourself as an authority and a talking head, and those are the murky waters that you're going to really engage in while smoking cigars with Elizondo and championing all of the government programs, the crashed craft retrieval program and all these other things, I don't think that you should be aligning yourself with the very system that's going to facilitate the deception.

00:35:00.380 And so, honestly, it really wasn't too much of a disagreement.

00:35:08.120 It was just those elements.

00:35:09.360 Why are we painting Christians as standing in the way of progress?

00:35:11.780 Why are we aligning ourselves with guys like Elizondo in this government disclosure?

00:35:15.480 And to be fair, Brandon, the whole thing started because he said, if you think aliens are demons, you're retarded.

00:35:21.520 And we're like, well, he said, if you're a Nephilim podcast that thinks aliens are demons, you're like, so we're a Nephilim podcast that does think that.

00:35:28.520 And we are retarded, which is fine.

00:35:30.380 Yeah, but I'm like, okay, so why are you saying that?

00:35:32.560 Like, now we got to ask you the question, and then it just got kind of out of control.

00:35:35.920 I don't know.

00:35:36.840 By the time that you guys hashed it out, it sounded like just, again, I wasn't there to hear like the before and after and backstage or whatever,

00:35:45.920 but it sounded like you guys essentially were either agreed with completely or were open to

00:35:54.080 the sort of like demons are specifically the disembodied spirits of dead nephilim hypothesis

00:36:01.860 but is that did i read that wrong or as he was talking that you guys seem to be like okay yeah

00:36:07.120 yeah maybe we're not that far away from each other so that was i think we're extremely far

00:36:12.020 away like we we asked like okay let's define the term what is a demon and it's a disembodied spirit

00:36:16.500 of a nephilim 45 minutes later we get into well the angels that the prophets and the bible saw

00:36:21.540 were purely symbolic and they never had wings and i'm just like what the hell are you talking about

00:36:25.460 but even that i don't care so much about those those disagreements and and to be perfectly honest

00:36:30.140 i think those things matter on his view of the supernatural they do but the problem was they um

00:36:36.440 to get hung up on them which we didn't you know ultimately would block us from being able to

00:36:43.120 address the things that i actually cared about so on the on the topic of are aliens demons i've said

00:36:48.680 it to him on twitter before the show even you know happened and i said that there are a multitude of

00:36:53.640 things and there's a physical aspect there's a spiritual aspect there's a biologics you know a

00:36:59.760 biomechanical aspect and a technological aspect but there's also plasma and there's all these

00:37:04.300 different things involved there's also government programs that are using you know aliens as a

00:37:10.460 shield for their programs like mk ultra where they're taking people and they're doing

00:37:15.300 experimentation on them and things like that well we could we could explain that a little bit more

00:37:19.720 because i guess if you're new newer in this space but uh a lot of mk ultra programs mind control

00:37:25.460 programs disassociative techniques that uh they would use to cause trauma to a person oftentimes

00:37:32.340 if you if you speak to somebody that studies or helps with satanic not helps help like a satanic

00:37:38.580 ritual abuse deliverance minister they can tell you a little bit about the techniques used and

00:37:43.020 it's one for one they're the same thing and so now we're we have to step back and wonder why

00:37:48.460 is the government employing techniques with this very technological hard like like you know wires

00:37:54.980 scalpels whatever it is why is why does it overlap exactly with what they're doing in

00:37:59.280 these satanic temples or occult rituals when a cult i mean i'm sorry when abductees are abducted

00:38:04.980 oftentimes they'll recall science personnel medical personnel military personnel among these

00:38:10.560 you know the pantheon of aliens that they're experiencing so just to wrap it up brandon

00:38:14.380 the the question as it presented itself to the public were are aliens demons which is a little

00:38:20.820 bombastic it's a little uh overly reductive it's meant to kind of catch your attention but it's

00:38:25.280 internet and and so it's really what we're asking are aliens and aliens are so many different things

00:38:31.380 right insectoids and pleiadians and all this crap are they demons are they the disembodied spirits

00:38:37.180 of the nephilim as the book of enoch presents it um that's not that's not quite correct it's

00:38:42.180 the question is the question is better put are they demonic are they against the kingdom of god

00:38:47.200 are they against humanity do they have our better interests are they deceptive in their nature and i

00:38:52.340 say yeah and then that leads sorry it just leads to the other question that i think he answered in

00:38:58.340 a piss poor manner um are they neutral is there because it's either you're for me or against me

00:39:04.180 that's very clear in the bible that's what jesus says yes he goes on to explain i think it's a

00:39:09.460 in the book of judges there's like a place called mirage and he's like well they remain neutral so

00:39:14.500 they could remain neutral and he said it's a planet but it's not it was just a bizarre explanation and

00:39:20.100 So he thinks that there are neutral parties.

00:39:22.820 And I think that that is fertile ground for deception.

00:39:25.180 Yeah, I don't think there is.

00:39:26.580 I think you're either for God or for the kingdom of God, for humanity or against.

00:39:30.620 You're either, you know, in the grace of God or you're deceptive in your nature.

00:39:34.860 You're demonic.

00:39:35.620 And so it was really a semantics argument, which I don't think is helpful if you're trying

00:39:42.580 to catch people up to speed.

00:39:44.760 It's not helpful to say Christians are standing in the way of progress.

00:39:47.460 It's not helpful to get caught up in semantics.

00:39:50.100 disclosure is potentially here we have tons of brothers and sisters who need to understand

00:39:55.520 the nature of these things and the nature of these things is they are demonic yeah i think

00:40:02.000 so a couple points because you guys brought up a lot of good stuff there so um one i totally agree

00:40:07.320 with what you're saying around like we should i don't think we should get caught so much in the

00:40:12.560 weeds of the semantics to the point where we like break fellowship with fellow brother like it's

00:40:16.960 like we're just trying to like move the ball forward in this really critical moment of awareness

00:40:20.720 around the connection between like what the bible says and what is going on in the real world so

00:40:24.460 it's like my you know the little peacemaker in me is like find the middle ground it's there i swear

00:40:29.680 um but then at the same time i love what uh jamie i'm blanking on his last name but who was on blurry

00:40:36.540 creatures recently uh jamie dang um walden jamie walden yeah is it walden he's fantastic yes so

00:40:44.880 And he, I, I clipped a little, like a two, a little two minute thing that he had that

00:40:49.880 I thought was perfectly well said.

00:40:51.060 He's like, we can kind of, to some extent, we're, we're all trying to give a language

00:40:57.960 structure to the different like taxonomy that exists in the spiritual realm.

00:41:02.280 And we all probably have limited knowledge, but you know, the apostle Paul just says powers

00:41:06.440 and principalities and rulers.

00:41:07.560 And he, he indicates that there's different levels and entities.

00:41:12.580 You know, the Genesis 6, 1 through 4 gives us this information.

00:41:17.740 We can kind of piece together enough information just from the actual canon of the Bible to

00:41:22.400 understand that it looks like there's at least two or three different types of things that

00:41:28.640 exist that are intelligent and that are not human.

00:41:30.640 And probably there's, in my opinion, probably a lot more.

00:41:33.080 I don't think anybody has like the full grasp of the spiritual realm.

00:41:37.620 Frankly, I think that there's probably a lot more that we don't know about.

00:41:41.620 um yeah in the bible it also says uh devils demons and unclean spirits and i think in that

00:41:46.700 category of unclean spirits you have a lot of lesser entities uh that there's probably a bunch

00:41:53.320 of different things in that category of unclean spirits so yeah but right so what i'm saying

00:41:58.260 though is like i loved what oh sorry if there's a lag i'm sorry i didn't mean to i don't never

00:42:02.260 mean to talk over if i ever talk over it's only technology's fault i'm never in my feels i never

00:42:07.120 talk over people. No. So Jamie's point was so good because he goes, we can wordsmith it as

00:42:14.620 much as we want, but at the end of the day, it's powers of darkness. And I thought that's such a

00:42:19.900 good period at the end of that sentence. That is ultimately the point is that the spiritual realm

00:42:25.960 is real and it is binary in nature. A third have fallen from grace. Two thirds remain on God's side

00:42:34.060 and there are no neutral players that we're aware of in scripture we see a fall uh of the you know

00:42:41.640 the apostate sons of god or the fall of the like medievals talk about them in terms of angels

00:42:46.460 whatever there's there's entities that are not human and a third of them have fallen away from

00:42:52.500 god and they're working against god and they're working against humanity okay that's a good like

00:42:58.140 if we can get everybody up to speed on that, I'm really happy. And then what exactly like within

00:43:05.260 that, the strategy and within even like the taxonomy, like what exactly is a Pleiadian

00:43:09.300 versus a reptilian versus a, I don't know, but it doesn't seem to me that those are the good guys.

00:43:15.920 And especially if, so I actually did a two and a half hour podcast with Joseph Jordan,

00:43:20.240 and he's telling me story after story of the name of Jesus being effective at ending the

00:43:25.960 abduction experience permanently, which is what people always want, like repeatability. Like,

00:43:30.120 why is it happening to me? And how do I make it stop? Well, why is it happening to you? Either

00:43:33.820 you or someone in your family exposed yourself to the occult 100% of the time in the 600 plus

00:43:37.860 testimonials that he had. And how do I make it stop? Well, apparently the name of Jesus is

00:43:41.780 effective. And then when people say, but it's not perfectly effective, it's not like a magic

00:43:47.380 incantation that you say, Jesus, and it always ends. Well, that's a fine point, but that's also

00:43:53.700 biblically supported the disciples came to jesus and said we can't cast out this demon what's going

00:43:57.420 on so the fact that you don't have like like um like perfect uh like every single time it works

00:44:03.460 doesn't mean that you should push under the rug the 600 plus incidences that this one dude who's

00:44:11.340 dug into it has found where the name of jesus does work if there's even one time that it does

00:44:16.060 effectively permanently stop the harassment from this alienoid creature we should sit there and go

00:44:23.340 what in the world, what, what would theology, what would Jesus have anything to do with the

00:44:27.560 ending of an abduction experience? But it hasn't just happened one time. It's a fluke accident or

00:44:31.160 a psychological affectation. It's happened repeatedly. And once it, and according to

00:44:35.700 Joseph Jordan, once that person has like, once that entity has, uh, submitted or, or, uh, basically

00:44:45.240 submitted under the authority of Jesus and leaves the person alone, that's it. They, they don't come

00:44:50.140 back. And so that's a really, like, if you're just looking at it as a researcher, that's really

00:44:55.980 interesting. And I think it's a great way to help people see, again, like I keep talking about this

00:45:00.800 cultural linguistic barrier. It's like, that's a fascinating data point to that Jesus isn't just

00:45:08.160 like some character in this old book called the Bible, but when his name is brought into the

00:45:13.200 modern world and when his name is spoken against the abduction experience, it actually works

00:45:20.720 in terms of that alienoid slash demonic slash disembodied whatever powers of darkness thing.

00:45:28.880 It is under the authority of Jesus. And that's when I read the gospels, that's what I see is

00:45:34.320 that he has authority over all of these things, whether they're demons, whether they're sons of

00:45:39.940 god he is god himself and he has authority over them joseph jordan's data maps onto that perfectly

00:45:46.520 and so um i think that that's a really a really significant thing for anybody to think about and

00:45:51.460 i guess ultimately again me kind of being the noob and the peacemaker is just like let's just

00:45:55.560 all agree powers of darkness and then as friends we can wordsmith what the heck is going on with

00:46:00.340 the rest of it but that's just i i i agree with what you're saying there and it's it is one of

00:46:04.880 our main talking points where we're like why does this work ever joseph joseph is a guy we talked

00:46:08.540 to move on investigator right yeah yeah he's great um so yeah the question is like why if that is the

00:46:14.100 case why would that even work once and i have researched what alberino says about it because

00:46:18.680 our first episode with alberino we did have contention about this and we had it was one of

00:46:23.340 those things we were new in podcasting had no business questioning him but we are dumb so we're

00:46:27.780 just questioning him he didn't like it and uh we're like well so why does this work and i his

00:46:33.040 explanation and i think he still holds it would be uh well there's like a time lapse that happens

00:46:37.580 when you're abducted so the people call on jesus and when it stops it stops because you have lost

00:46:44.480 time and it was the end of their whatever procedure your perception of the event stops but

00:46:49.480 it continues beyond your perception yeah that's his explanation to it i think it's unsatisfactory

00:46:54.360 i do think that that calling on the name of jesus does work in certain certain specific

00:46:59.300 situations i think it does not work i think this phenomenon that we're dealing with when you're

00:47:03.920 being abducted can be spiritual, can be physical, can be a number of things. So if it's a government

00:47:10.300 agent, if it's me and David abducting you and you say, in Jesus name, stop, we say no and continue

00:47:16.460 to do whatever we want because that's what happens. Those are the rules of the physical realm. So

00:47:21.200 it's a mix of all of these things. And there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of obfuscation

00:47:26.800 and it's done on purpose. So, but the point, the fact that, you know, you're bringing that up

00:47:31.640 as a fascinating data point i would say that's understating it it is the most important it is

00:47:37.620 the data point it is the linchpin in this entire situation and all hands on deck should be focusing

00:47:43.200 on why does this phenomena have any correlation to ceasing or or interacting in any kind of way

00:47:48.700 that seems to slow it or stop it upon calling on the name of christ and i think that the the part

00:47:54.900 of the plan and you know this is highly speculative on my part but part of the plan we've been in this

00:48:00.360 materialistic paradigm for a long time now in the west and stripped of our spiritual understanding

00:48:05.680 as as tucker carlson puts it and i think that is massively advantageous to the powers of darkness

00:48:12.140 which by the way i think is a great way of putting it demonic or the powers of darkness

00:48:15.580 which narrative helps arm people against what's happening the the minutiae which is fun to talk

00:48:22.040 about and and it has its place or blanket statements the power of darkness the demonic

00:48:27.980 forces that are in opposition to humanity i i would say one does a much better job in zero hour

00:48:33.420 of arming christian brothers and sisters against whatever this phenomenon is um but if you convince

00:48:40.660 people they live in a materialistic paradigm if you hide yourself behind this veil um and the only

00:48:47.420 people that are willing to talk about it are on the fringes of society and they're laughed at for

00:48:52.380 the longest time they're called pseudoscientists or they're called quacks if they're an experiencer

00:48:56.600 um what that does is if the veil does truly have to be removed at some point in order for you to

00:49:03.060 let's say reveal yourself interact with humanity and present yourselves to them as you want as you

00:49:09.340 want to control the narrative benign space brothers from a highly advanced technological

00:49:13.940 civilization far far away let's say that that's what everybody's comfortable with if you want to

00:49:17.940 do that then it's best for you to not reveal yourself until the last minute because all of

00:49:25.300 critical thinkers and thought leaders may well be caught up in defining you while you're busy

00:49:32.440 executing while you're busy implementing your will upon the people all of the intellects in

00:49:38.300 the space are busy trying to define well is this an insectoid does it wear a cape with a cowl what

00:49:44.700 is it what does it want what about the propulsion uh technology that could be advantageous right

00:49:49.640 well yeah sure maybe there seems to be some overlap between um uh you know uh pagan mythoses

00:49:56.520 of antiquity and their gods and pantheons and this phenomenon right here uh and but but i don't know

00:50:03.740 if this is really the same thing and sure we have to look at the data and then you look at the data

00:50:07.840 but it's really only the data that you choose but in the meantime they're doing the plan this great

00:50:14.600 deception and we're caught up defining what they are and we're caught up arguing with people who

00:50:20.680 have interest in selling books and i'm just i'm sorry that it is what it is i realized that very

00:50:25.760 quickly like when you're debating somebody or you're trying to like express your idea i'm like

00:50:31.620 well if your idea is rooted in you getting paid and i have nothing to do with it we're not going

00:50:36.400 anywhere here and that's kind of this is the shuffle that we've been playing at with this so

00:50:40.780 them like yeah it's just a moot point we just kind of uh but to be honest making fun of them

00:50:46.000 and moving on i don't think that that conversation and you know we can move on from it after this but

00:50:50.540 i don't think that conversation would have been structured the way that it was had it not been

00:50:55.540 an offer to debate us because we were defending the position that aliens are demons or aliens

00:51:00.700 are demonic which by the way even in the clip that we made he doesn't just say aliens are demons is

00:51:06.300 a stupid point he says aliens are demonic is a stupid point we have that clip we we put it at

00:51:11.660 the beginning of the episode so um it wasn't really even a mincing of words initially we

00:51:17.660 were defending a position that i still defend to this day and the only reason that that conversation

00:51:21.920 went the way it did is because he said let's debate which to me i'm not a debater i'm i'm just

00:51:27.720 somebody that has conversations but once that ball started rolling i started to become convicted in

00:51:33.760 this idea of like well wait a second why are you why are you saying this why are there's so much

00:51:38.320 overlap between the demonic um and i i think yes the question that i i still ask myself is like i

00:51:45.700 i hope it's just to sell books um but it seems like i don't know you pushing a narrative what

00:51:50.840 are we doing here well that's yeah that's when i'm a conspiracy theorist that's where my wheels

00:51:54.460 start to turn and i go there's so much overlap between the demonic phenomenon and the alien

00:51:59.900 phenomenon and this is something we've laid out on so many episodes it's not just the name of jesus

00:52:04.880 there are so many odd correlations that it's almost a one-to-one the the alien abduction

00:52:11.560 phenomenon and the demonic encounter phenomenon to say if you think this is the same thing you're

00:52:16.680 an idiot is incredibly disingenuous it's it's it then i have to ask are you a person who's

00:52:23.320 incredibly educated on this matter are you somehow missing a swath of data that i as an idiot have

00:52:30.120 access to or are you being malicious and then you know that's what the realtor term so that's yeah

00:52:36.580 i i hear i hear what you guys are saying and i want to make sure i'm remembering correctly here

00:52:41.540 but isn't and then yeah we can get off of alabrino because you guys are probably like this is not

00:52:47.340 the main thing i want to talk about but um isn't isn't he open to the idea that the grays are

00:52:55.480 basically like created worker bees by the sons of god who are kind of like i don't know how to say

00:53:04.880 it like synthetic flesh puppets that demons go into when they can't go into humans yeah

00:53:09.660 you can thank us for that for for him admitting that if you watch our first episode that we did

00:53:14.860 with him about a year and a half ago he said not that it was a struggle session for about 30 minutes

00:53:18.880 and then finally he goes perhaps that may be and then yeah i guess now he's talking about it but

00:53:23.400 a quick way to wrap that up though for brandon he's just like yes he says that doesn't matter

00:53:28.680 when his mind changed yes he says that so then why is he saying people who say their demons are

00:53:33.860 idiots well this is my question is is it possible that and again i'm not trying to be his you know

00:53:39.480 defense attorney whatever but is it possible that he's just literally hearing uh like so you're

00:53:44.940 saying not only did he say that the statement um uh aliens are demons is stupid but the still

00:53:53.360 but the statement aliens are demonic is stupid but what my question is is it possible that what

00:53:59.260 you're thinking about as the distinction between those two words demon and demonic is just not in

00:54:05.420 his mind that those are synonymous ideas because i think i think we're dialed into the idea that

00:54:10.500 the demonic is a broad umbrella that is essentially synonymous with powers of darkness and we're

00:54:15.940 saying like yeah all things that are powers of darkness are things that are demonic but is it

00:54:20.000 possible that he's hearing that and he's going when you say demonic you mean this narrow disembodied

00:54:25.540 spirit of a nephilim and when you're thinking and he's like in my taxonomy aliens are a separate

00:54:30.340 entities so to connect those two individual pieces is a mistake is it possible that he even though

00:54:35.860 you're trying a line between demon and demonic is still thinking that you're making some kind of a

00:54:40.020 technical mistake wait no i have a perfect answer if we hadn't said it over and over again it would

00:54:45.280 be possible so that's a great question and that's that's fair so two things to that one before the

00:54:50.620 debate i created an entire uh you call it a wall of text where i thoughtfully broke down all the

00:54:57.400 different elements of the alien abduction phenomenon uh to which since then he said

00:55:02.760 that he agrees with the vast majority of what i say so he knew what we meant going into it the

00:55:07.120 other thing that really just puts a nail in the coffin is he's now going around on twitter spaces

00:55:12.060 saying demonic that the phenomenon is demonic he's now saying that it's very funny that's good

00:55:17.740 though right that's we should be happy right yes yes okay um yeah it's fine it's just you know i

00:55:22.980 guess i the human side of me is kind of like what because we had this debate i think he embarrassed

00:55:28.480 himself even though we didn't do much talking he did all the talking the p it wasn't received well

00:55:32.860 and then about a week later uh organically on the internet the aliens are demons thing started

00:55:39.140 popping up he went on blurry creatures immediately after for damage control i assume and that didn't

00:55:43.580 go well either if you check their comment section it was kind of brutal and i'm watching them uh the

00:55:48.400 blurry guys and albarino just take a beating on twitter from the general public when we're talking

00:55:53.740 about they're talking about aliens are demons they're trying to uh persuade people that no

00:55:58.820 they're not there's a differentiation and people were not having it and then then he goes all right

00:56:03.100 about face and it didn't fine okay fine but don't give me don't give me grief over it and don't also

00:56:09.000 don't come after us in that like weird malicious way and then send group texts to people like la

00:56:14.040 marzulli and all these other people that are large in the space to not associate with us because you

00:56:18.500 embarrass yourself that's that's why don't i get why don't i get you guys and albarino on

00:56:24.680 my podcast and we'll all hash it out for like four hours and and then we'll like

00:56:28.920 look like i said okay fine five hours we'll go five we'll go five the vast majority of points

00:56:39.400 we would agree with him on and you would find that if we had this conversation he would concede

00:56:43.780 on all of these points we would just be sitting here ultimately what would happen is he would say

00:56:48.420 you guys use naughty language and that would be that would be the last standing point uh that we

00:56:53.740 would have a disagreement on and you know to that i would have to concede i would say that he is

00:56:57.880 correct on that point but a lot of it is just uh uh like i said semantics and he's using the same

00:57:03.980 language that we're using not the naughty ones uh but he's saying demonic and he's differentiating

00:57:08.640 between demons he does have this air of superiority about him where he likes to allude to the idea

00:57:14.260 that we're idiots and we don't know what we're talking about and that's fine we don't often

00:57:17.880 present ourselves in a gracious enough light to paint ourselves as intellectuals but we do

00:57:22.320 understand the ins and outs of this not saying i have answers and i know the definitive truth

00:57:27.520 but i know all the different running theories and ideas on what these things are and i would say that

00:57:33.380 we probably know things that he doesn't know just like he knows things that we don't know

00:57:37.640 so if we had a conversation the conversation would likely be constructive it's just whether

00:57:41.680 or not you frame it as a debate if you frame it as a debate i don't want to my mo in this is the

00:57:46.980 is the the concept that i believe to be true at the deepest level which is that a house divided

00:57:52.920 against itself cannot stand and so when you have like candace and ben all of a sudden becoming

00:57:57.340 each other's mortal enemies like that's bad for the conservative coalition like that's just that

00:58:01.860 weakens the the main plot and i again i i'm not trying to meddle in it but like part of me is

00:58:07.740 like i feel like if there is some sort of like corrective thing that you guys are some kind of

00:58:14.180 reconciliation where it's like okay yes we actually do disagree you're wrong about this and you're

00:58:17.840 wrong about this but we like you said if there really is a 90 90 or 85 whatever overlap to me

00:58:24.840 i'm like you guys there's not a lot of people doing this particular kind of work and like

00:58:31.000 you guys are in the same space it's a very um i mean it's a growing space but it's it's a it's a

00:58:37.260 fairly niche space and part of me just from the from the outsider perspective looking in like i

00:58:42.960 don't really have a dog in the race other than like i want the word to get out and i want it to

00:58:46.920 be a strong message and a house divided against itself cannot stand and if you guys can like

00:58:51.480 you know find that that core that nucleus and then like pour rocket fuel on it and help the world

00:58:58.140 better wake up to the reality that like there is a spiritual realm there is powers of darkness

00:59:02.780 maybe i sound like i'm living in a utopia by casting this vision but that's like where my

00:59:06.780 my heart is coming from on it is like is like i think it's important i think this i think this

00:59:11.440 narrative is basically true in the broadest sense and then the details around what are the what's

00:59:18.480 the taxonomy and what's the timeline like there's a lot of details that are are blurry i was gonna

00:59:23.480 to say fuzzy but why not say blurry um so but like do you see like where i'm coming from on it

00:59:29.580 it's like i want the world to wake up to all of this through a biblical prism and to realize the

00:59:34.280 reality of the predictive power of the bible and i think you guys are a part of that so i think

00:59:40.080 yeah i would i would like i would like that um i think after this whole thing went down

00:59:46.040 because obviously uh you don't know much about us but we're like we're comedy based i i worked in

00:59:51.920 the comedy field stand-up comedy field for a long time and david is like a natural comedian as well

00:59:56.380 so like that's what we're going to lean on a lot and we're going to we're going to say jokes we're

00:59:59.880 going to say off-color stuff and same because we made fun of him a lot but it's it's a part of the

01:00:03.200 body of christ in a way and again i don't want to sound like like i'm making excuses for how we

01:00:08.200 behave because we we do some off-color stuff but we talk to people who timothy alberino will never

01:00:13.160 be able to talk to yeah in fact he's actually labeled our audience as like terrible people

01:00:18.000 yeah and they are terrible people they are terrible but everybody deserves you know the

01:00:21.720 gospel he he talks to people that we can't talk to so there is that thing there i just i've been

01:00:27.680 having this thing within my heart of uh like yeah the the body of christ is divided but i'm like is

01:00:32.840 am i so am i part of the body of christ or is he not part of the body because there's a thing that

01:00:38.300 happened whereas i'm like oh there's a clear separation here and i don't know if these two

01:00:41.500 things go together uh so yeah i don't know if that could be hashed out that's it's is whatever

01:00:46.900 but uh my thoughts on it are um whatever god wants to happen um is that's that's what i'm

01:00:53.220 gonna do yeah so um you know as far as hashing it out with him i think it would be a fascinating

01:00:59.480 conversation um just given all of the expanse that this topic covers and and we all have something

01:01:08.680 very interesting to say that i would hope even if let's say there's 70 data points that are

01:01:14.780 fascinating about the alien, uh, you know, abduction phenomenon and the demonic encounter

01:01:19.980 phenomenon. If only one of those data points resonates with some listener and it clicks in

01:01:25.960 their head and it puts the pieces of the puzzle together for them. And they realize that this is

01:01:30.280 the same phenomenon. I don't care. I'll talk for however long it's my, my main prayer going into

01:01:36.700 every episode is that somebody who hears this episode is drawn closer to Christ because of the

01:01:42.640 words that we speak on it and if that's one word or that's one person then awesome that's a banger

01:01:48.300 i just want to be understood from like like what i'm trying to say because oftentimes you know

01:01:53.160 i'm a bit uh mumble mouth but as a podcaster not great i i don't i don't have any uh real animosity

01:01:59.080 he really doesn't like us right now and look probably for good reason because once we started

01:02:03.440 hashing it out on twitter and getting uh nasty with each other you know it we're just we're just

01:02:08.700 better at it but i actually memed him to death and all this other stuff i wanted to move the

01:02:12.200 conversation is something you brought up before about uh this lady reason and it kind of that

01:02:16.500 was a fascinating point yeah yeah that stuck out in my head because that's one of it's rearing its

01:02:22.180 head i gotta go to the bathroom sure um it's rearing its head in a way that is kind of

01:02:26.580 fascinating these days uh these entities often present themselves as feminine throughout

01:02:32.900 antiquity and culture from isis to i don't know like what is a what's the name of this uh the

01:02:39.000 ancient jewish one yeah samarim uh lilith yeah lilith being the like i guess like the original

01:02:50.220 in jewish lore and then even before that if you look at uh in the bible uh i think the the first

01:02:55.020 verse or the second verse of the book of genesis where god's face comes over the deep and that that

01:02:59.960 deep is is uh translated as tiamat so it's like this dragon but the dragon has this female

01:03:05.140 connotation and god obviously has this masculine connotation so he's coming over the face of this

01:03:11.100 uh female body and he's and he's telling it to calm down and it calms down and then he creates

01:03:16.120 and he creates order out of this and this is like a jordan peterson kind of point but

01:03:20.060 the idea is that this aspect is always feminine and now we're looking at the alien phenomenon

01:03:26.160 on through the Bledsoe's eyes, Chris Bledsoe and his father, his son, Ryan Bledsoe. And they're

01:03:33.160 like these people that have seen orbs. They're in contact with entities. And one of the entities

01:03:37.560 that they are in contact with is called the lady. And she's described as this Pleiadian blonde,

01:03:44.340 tall white lady. And she's giving him premonitions and predictions of what's going to happen in the

01:03:49.080 future. And to be honest, she's been correct. And he's been spot on. Even with the year,

01:03:55.280 He's predicted the year 2026 being the year that we go to war with Iran, the year that we're seeing these orbs, the year that they will present themselves to us and disclose things.

01:04:05.220 But it's just a it's a bizarre thing because it's coming from this divine feminine aspect of of the spiritual realm, which we'll see in like a lot of new age, new agey kind of ideas.

01:04:18.120 and the bible doesn't really give any credence to divine feminine as a matter of fact when they

01:04:23.660 talk about the queen of heaven it's always in a negative light it's like a demonic a demonic

01:04:28.360 kind of entity going on uh david's back i'm just filling him in on the lady chris bledsoe yeah this

01:04:33.960 is a fascinating topic you were just talking about that idea of the queen of heaven i forget what

01:04:37.780 verse or scripture that is in particular but it talks about um provoking the rage of god by making

01:04:44.540 offerings to the queen of heaven and so yeah it's never in a positive connotation that that this

01:04:50.340 aspect is brought up but it does what did you say that was 1950 is is when um the what was it called

01:04:57.300 this would have been um this would have been earlier than that uh 18 something this would

01:05:04.260 have been like around the french revolution i believe let me i can look it up here and what

01:05:09.980 was it called the lady reason lady reason that's a fascinating that's a fascinating uh yeah because

01:05:15.300 you you get a lot of that especially within protest too the revolution i mean think about

01:05:19.140 i think it was uh 1793 oh wow 1793 yeah it replaced christianity that's interesting yeah

01:05:25.860 it's always the same thing it replaced christian goddess of reason yeah yeah so the end of like

01:05:30.600 almost 18 like yeah 1793 um yeah and i'm not even saying that they were thinking of it like

01:05:36.680 in a literal sense like this is now our like god that we're going to worship but just the concept

01:05:41.080 of basically we it's like a symbol for reason right like it's like um what what other thing

01:05:49.680 to uh to your point like i feel like there's a way of someone hearing that and thinking that

01:05:55.800 it's like just really chauvinistic like women are bad god is good god is male god is good

01:05:59.800 and i i don't think that that's what you mean but it's more i think it's more of like

01:06:03.540 spirit what's that i said i think specifically there's a spirit and and that spirit right now

01:06:10.360 and i know this is going to bleed into this conversation uh about the bledsoes but there

01:06:14.980 is a feminine spirit that is presenting itself to these two uh gentlemen chris bledsoe and uh

01:06:21.160 and his son ryan bledsoe who are uh self-professed christians and i don't think that they don't love

01:06:28.280 god i think that they just had a profound experience that has fundamentally deceived

01:06:33.320 them about its nature and um and through this spirit uh they've managed to make a a series of

01:06:41.800 predictions about the future and i think this started back in 2016 and and these predictions

01:06:47.020 included you know this iran versus israel situation but that when that exchange would

01:06:54.460 finally come to a head that we would see the appearance of all of these orbs that would come

01:07:00.520 out of the ocean and they would somehow stop i think nuclear war what's fascinating about that

01:07:05.600 is throughout the abduction experiences abductees if they are imparted any information from their

01:07:13.040 captors it is usually about um one being special and chosen uh but number two there's a coming

01:07:20.020 calamity that you have to avoid now that calamity used to be it's changed throughout history which

01:07:26.140 i think is fascinating and it even has been accompanied with dates you know predictions

01:07:31.000 and dates that never came to pass um but it would be any number of things uh man-made destruction

01:07:37.100 of the planet via pollution um global warming uh would would lead to all sorts of catastrophes

01:07:44.060 magnetic pole shift has been a very popular one and i would say probably the most popular one is

01:07:51.240 nuclear war you have to watch out for nuclear war and um and that if humanity can get beyond

01:07:57.900 these hurdles that we might ascend this is overwhelmingly the narrative that is given to

01:08:03.800 abductee victims and i think what that does by the way is it um it blinds them because what's

01:08:11.540 happened is they've experienced something profound they've been given a terrifying revelation and

01:08:17.500 they've also been told that they're special and chosen that's a really really dangerous uh cocktail

01:08:23.940 in in order to even individual to take someone who is it is i mean again it's not to crap on

01:08:30.180 woman i love my wife but it's a feminine aspect like when we're looking at today's cultural

01:08:34.140 maladies everybody gets a trophy kind of thing right yeah everyone's included the inclusivity

01:08:39.320 idea is a feminine idea the masculine will come in with order and that's exactly what genesis uh

01:08:45.560 genesis chapter one verse two is talking about it's talking about uh so here we go um the earth

01:08:51.640 was without forming void and uh darkness was upon the face of the deep so the deep is translated as

01:09:00.280 tayom and that just means like deep waters primordial waters and in in the ancient hebrew

01:09:06.200 that's associated with the female like it's tiamat it well yeah yeah it could be trends like

01:09:11.460 you know mixed with tiamat that's like the dragon that we'll see at the end but it's talking about

01:09:15.860 the the oceans the chaotic waters and out of these oceans comes birth so this is a female aspect and

01:09:23.460 it's given that reason it's given that that connotation because out of the female comes

01:09:28.800 these chaotic they're chaotic water and out of them comes the birth of a child it's like new life

01:09:34.060 so it's not that i want to crap on them they're absolutely necessary it's the extremes on the

01:09:40.320 extreme masculine you get uh fascism yeah and out of the extreme feminine you get chaos and disorder

01:09:46.620 uh you know extreme extreme masculine is extreme order which comes with all kinds of horrifying

01:09:51.980 things uh and out of the extreme feminine comes uh equally horrifying things just have a different

01:09:57.440 uh flavor this is like one of my favorite it's my my favorite verse and it's like and the spirit

01:10:01.860 of god moved upon the face of the waters and when you look at that translation like he moved upon

01:10:07.180 but it really says that he just like kind of like stilled it he just told it to like yeah all right

01:10:12.340 calm down so he is this masculine force over these chaotic waters which is necessary because if it

01:10:18.180 wasn't necessary god would not create it and it would not exist he would have just gotten rid of

01:10:22.580 it but it's necessary for some reason so he moves upon he's like yo calm down and then we're going

01:10:27.440 to start making stuff never tell chaotic waters to calm down yeah this is the second verse of the

01:10:31.420 bible it's it's insane it's all right here for you there's another layer to that that's really

01:10:36.200 interesting as well which is the idea that the way that that's written is as a direct polemic

01:10:41.580 or argument against some of the other ancient near eastern cosmologies where you would have

01:10:45.920 had like a water deity and so it's probably operating at multiple levels but it's the idea

01:10:50.920 of like our god is the most high and he is over your god like he like in their reading they're

01:10:58.880 like wait your god is hovering over our over our water god because we thought our water god was

01:11:03.460 the best no no like yahweh is above and he and he brings basically ordered out of that chaos that

01:11:10.320 you're talking about which is actually really cool in the gospel of mark and i think some of

01:11:13.700 the others but i just read it in the gospel of mark the other week where when jesus calms the

01:11:17.340 storm and the response of the disciples is like they see the connection they're like wait you

01:11:22.980 control weather you bring order to the chaotic storm you're you're at perfect peace asleep

01:11:30.740 restful amidst the chaos and you with the word with the power of your word still the chaos and

01:11:36.820 still the waters who is this guy and they basically are beginning to get the idea so

01:11:41.320 that's one of the cool ways in which jesus not says and you know people are saying jesus never

01:11:45.840 claimed to be god well he we don't have that exact like quote but in that action he's saying

01:11:51.480 is this ringing a bell for you guys look at what i can do who else can do this look at who i am

01:11:57.520 does this remind you of that exactly the thing that you're talking about there the the order

01:12:02.580 out of chaos and the dominion over the creation itself i i want to get to some of this bled so

01:12:08.520 stuff but that is fascinating i sorry i just love how the bible will just like it references itself

01:12:14.020 yes that shows it it's a phenomenon what's it called um that cross referencing yourself it

01:12:20.340 starts with a c i forget but there's like no other book outside of the bible that does it

01:12:24.640 as consistently as the bible does it and when you see it in that graph yeah it's it's phenomenal

01:12:29.580 yeah you couldn't write a movie or or or you know a piece of fiction or anything that has it's almost

01:12:36.240 like callbacks yeah constant constant constant referencing within itself across all these books

01:12:41.860 written by all these people across all this time constantly cross-referencing itself it's it's

01:12:50.340 So, uh, within Christianity, let's say the, um, uh, I don't want to use a derogatory term, but what's coming to mind is like the watered down version of Christianity that people are typically accustomed with.

01:13:05.200 In the West, there is this notion to dismiss other religions, other belief systems as non-existent, which I think in the sense of their gods are not real, which I think is a fundamental mistake because in my opinion, the Bible does a great job of highlighting that these other entities, deities that are being worshipped are real.

01:13:33.580 and i don't know where the disconnect came in i don't know what happened to modern christianity

01:13:38.260 where people will look at any other religion and say their gods don't exist their gods are fake

01:13:44.560 when i think it is much more helpful um at understanding not only the world that we live in

01:13:52.740 but also why it's wrong to worship these other gods uh it's much more helpful to understand that

01:14:02.080 they do exist. Do you see that in, in, in your communications with people? What do you make of

01:14:07.180 that? Yeah. So after, uh, this is like, you know, how many years ago now, this is 2012. So I'm

01:14:15.340 showing my age, but I went, uh, right after college, I went to Africa and spent three months

01:14:21.080 there just, um, and this like Africa Trek thing, just like basically sleeping in tents, living with

01:14:26.420 local pastors and like really going like deep into the bush. And that was when this point that

01:14:33.160 you're making slapped me in the face. And I realized, oh, my word, like all of these

01:14:39.460 animistic spirits and snake spirits and idols that are being worshipped and witch doctors that

01:14:47.300 are governing the local villages. It's not fake. It's not make believe. It's all real. It's just

01:14:55.300 evil um yeah but you know so like i'll give one kind of graphic ish but i think it makes the

01:15:02.200 clear um there was like a a wooden idol with a phallus that would be like oiled and the women

01:15:15.300 would basically copulate with this idol in order to be um blessed and impregnated with good things

01:15:24.840 And they actually, through that act, became demon-possessed.

01:15:30.380 This was in Taja Malawi.

01:15:34.000 And so for me, that was such a crazy thing.

01:15:35.660 I'm like, it's just a wood idol.

01:15:37.880 But then the local pastors are explaining to me, no, like the act, like the sex act is a giving over of the self to the entity.

01:15:46.880 And he uses that as basically a mechanism for impregnating them literally with a demon, essentially.

01:15:57.460 And there's all kinds of stuff like that.

01:15:59.240 When a baby's born into these villages, they'll slice their backs like right above their buttocks and they'll collect that blood in a vial.

01:16:07.160 And they literally have, uh, cabinets with vials of blood of all of the babies in the

01:16:12.860 village, all under the banner of protection.

01:16:15.540 And, and we're the, we're like the good guys, right?

01:16:17.760 We're the witch doctors and the babies have, you know, like they wear charm necklaces there.

01:16:22.720 So, um, you know, I'll just give one story.

01:16:25.500 Like we went to this hospital and there was this baby that had, it looked like basically

01:16:29.960 epilepsy.

01:16:30.440 It was like, it was like shaking.

01:16:32.840 And to me, I don't know, I have no paradigm for any of this.

01:16:35.680 So I'm just like, oh, this is so sad.

01:16:38.200 Like I've never seen a baby like not well like this before in my whole life.

01:16:44.200 I just, you know, see babies that are just calm and healthy or just crying and you change

01:16:47.640 their diaper and then they stop.

01:16:48.480 But this was like really, like really disturbing to see.

01:16:53.680 And, but I don't really know what else to make of it.

01:16:55.660 So like, you know, we're kind of just there and we're praying for the family, the baby

01:16:59.620 and this type of thing.

01:17:00.840 And my friend next to me, Daniel is Spanish.

01:17:04.720 he's from spain and his mom was basically a witch before he became a christian so he grew up in a

01:17:10.400 household deeply ensconced in the occult and all of a sudden he's like oh my word he's like i know

01:17:16.480 what this is and i'm like what do you mean and he it was actually beautiful he just like takes

01:17:21.680 action and reaches out and just breaks the necklace off of the baby's neck and then just

01:17:27.920 puts his hand onto the baby's head and just begins to cast out the demon and he just you know he says

01:17:32.720 i know you are and i rebuke you in jesus mighty name and i command you to leave this child alone

01:17:36.960 you must leave now in the powerful name of jesus and the baby literally goes calm and we were like

01:17:43.760 whoa what in the world is this and again i'm thinking you know i still have this like modernistic

01:17:49.760 sort of like skeptical lens that i'm looking at this as like you said however you put it kind of

01:17:54.080 just a vanilla ordinary boring american christian whatever so i'm just looking at this and i'm like

01:17:59.440 you know but maybe it's like the heat of his hand on the like the warmth of his hand on the baby's

01:18:04.560 head just felt good and like i'm kind of just trying to like de-spiritualize it you know which

01:18:08.720 is like shame on me right but that's just the truth of how i was thinking about it at the time

01:18:14.000 and then what was really cool is the next day we came back to the same hospital to do like grounds

01:18:18.960 work uh cleaning up the facility and that type of thing and that doctor who was there came out and

01:18:25.280 he was like beaming and he's like my brother i have to tell you this baby is feeling very fine

01:18:30.720 all the time ever since you pray and we were just like whoa so we got that like that confirmation

01:18:36.240 from him that what happened there was real and it was permanent and whatever was causing the

01:18:42.240 baby to tremble tremble like that was gone and so that was the first time i saw like an an exorcism

01:18:48.640 and that trip included a lot more of that like um even some mass exorcisms that we got to see

01:18:54.800 firsthand. And this one village, like a thousand year old snake spirit where everyone was literally

01:18:59.280 slithering on the ground. And the girl who I was talking to said, she said that she had snakes in

01:19:03.540 her belly. And, um, I mean, it took four hours. It took four hours to cast out all of these demons.

01:19:10.040 And, um, they, they even started like taking off their skirts and like trying to distract the

01:19:14.000 pastors with sexuality. And it was like the craziest thing. Um, and so, yeah, all of, sorry,

01:19:19.280 All of that just to say, for me, that was the tipping point of realizing that there is no such thing as just an idol.

01:19:30.080 Like all of those things come into existence because the person who made it is looking for connection with something and believing something and wanting to worship something.

01:19:40.200 and the devil is never going to like let someone uh just do do like a like a purely materialistic

01:19:48.760 form of idol worship it's like great if you're opening yourself up to if you're desiring to put

01:19:53.100 your affection and your attention and your worship towards this thing i would love to use that i would

01:19:57.800 love to get in the mix of that and so yeah my my worldview now is exactly what you're saying like

01:20:02.260 um a law is real um the god of mormonism is real the gods of hinduism are real they're all they're

01:20:09.660 all real and they're and it's also so profound because it's like they directly go against the

01:20:16.400 actual god like the the one true god they go like like i'm actually reading this book right now

01:20:22.060 where i lead like the online community called the wisdom society and we're reading this book called

01:20:26.700 seeking allah finding jesus by nabeel koreshi and in this book he taught and i'm not trying to sell

01:20:31.860 this book i didn't write it he actually he actually passed away and he's an amazing uh he

01:20:36.220 actually did interview him in my documentary. He's an amazing, amazing, smart, brilliant,

01:20:40.000 and has all the Eastern mindset. He's a genius on understanding Islam and communicating what's

01:20:43.880 wrong with it. And in this book, he writes about how Islam directly attacks Christian ideas. It

01:20:54.720 says, God is not a father and he doesn't have a son. And if you really think about it, it's like,

01:21:00.760 that's a really specific thing for a lot to be saying like like thou doth protest too much

01:21:06.760 right but then if you think about it from the context that you're saying like an a a spiritual

01:21:12.960 warfare perspective it's like of course Allah would put a bullseye on the back of the God of

01:21:18.740 Christianity and pre-program all people under Islam towards the idea that God is not a father

01:21:24.000 and he doesn't have a son so that when they end up hearing about Christianity by missionaries

01:21:29.380 across the last you know the next thousand years they go oh this is like in defiance with what is

01:21:34.420 true like god is not a father and he doesn't have a son we've been taught that from a young age

01:21:38.420 so to me that makes so much sense on the view that like the entity that muhammad met in the cave when

01:21:47.220 he was in isolation and fasting the entity that when he first experienced it it made him want to

01:21:52.900 go to the top of the mountain and throw himself off he literally was suicidal um he went to his

01:21:57.860 his first wife and she says, hey, maybe it's not such a bad thing. Why don't you go back?

01:22:06.560 And then he's like, okay, yeah, maybe this is good. Maybe I should start a religion. But his

01:22:09.700 first response was he said he felt like his neck was going to snap and he wanted to climb to a

01:22:14.820 high mountain and he wanted to throw himself off. In fact, he wanted to commit suicide three times

01:22:20.500 according to the Hadith, upon his initial interaction with Gabriel, who, give me a break,

01:22:26.720 right? So the point is, yes, I agree with you. It's not just like psychological beliefs. Hey,

01:22:34.400 what if we start a religion called Islam? No, no, no. There's a real encounter, a real interaction

01:22:38.660 with an entity that Muhammad had, and it gave them an anti-Christ message. The Apostle Paul

01:22:44.800 talks about this in the Bible. If any spirit, even an angel, Paul explicitly says that,

01:22:49.660 even if an angel comes to you and tells you a message different than this one, consider that

01:22:55.060 spirit to be antichrist. And lo and behold, Gabriel, an angel comes to Muhammad and says,

01:23:01.400 God is not a father and he doesn't have a son. So it was predicted by Paul and it happened in

01:23:07.620 Islam. And that's just one example. If you look at Mormonism, it's very similar. And if you go to

01:23:12.220 like Hinduism and these types of things, I think it's the same story. If you go to Mesoamerica,

01:23:18.100 it's the same story it's like i just think it's all over the place like they're like there is a

01:23:22.840 spiritual world and we're living in it and like we've already said there's there's good guys and

01:23:28.580 bad guys and i just don't think that like world religions are going to be happening in a vacuum

01:23:33.100 that is separate from the actual cosmic battle between good and evil all right man that that

01:23:38.440 you've said a lot of fascinating things dude and i'll never apologize for telling us stories like

01:23:43.620 that no that's what this show is really about at the heart of the show yeah so so i mean you're

01:23:48.160 talking about being in africa and you know you mentioned like mesoamerica india and everything

01:23:53.380 they have these these principalities over them these these spiritual powers that have really

01:23:59.880 captured these nations and yeah a lot of people look at the things that they do and they think

01:24:06.280 that they're nonsense you know because to us especially in the west a lot of their ceremonies

01:24:10.420 and rituals their dances and their their practices look insane um and i guess in some ways it's it's

01:24:17.060 because they are you know you're doing a crazy thing for a fallen entity um how two things how

01:24:25.400 old were you when you went to africa and maybe even why after college i was like 21 and it was

01:24:35.000 yeah it was like a three-month mission trip through a organization called operation mobilization

01:24:39.240 and it was just all about like going alongside with the local churches and all these little

01:24:44.740 tiny nowhere communities and just like uh and just getting to experience what life is like for them

01:24:50.680 working alongside them um a lot of like you know funny things like drama and comedy and skits and

01:24:56.840 stuff for the kids and just playing and just trying to be the hands and feet of christ a lot of like

01:25:00.560 you know practical like food and and that type of thing and a lot of um you know preaching of

01:25:06.140 gospel and like things that are hokey and america like going door to door it's like oh don't do that

01:25:10.540 it's so on the nose there they're like oh my word we have someone from obamaland like coming to our

01:25:14.940 home like this is amazing like let's talk to you and it's like totally chill and they give you a

01:25:18.700 little something and you just talk for hours and explain like we're here for this reason like we

01:25:23.020 we believe this and we want you to know this because we believe it's it's true and it's the

01:25:27.500 best thing it's the best news and so it's just um yeah that i mean it's basically a mission strip

01:25:32.140 in short. But then what was surprising was, oh my word, we are not in Kansas anymore. It is all

01:25:41.000 exterior and on display and in your face and undeniably paradigm shifting in terms of the

01:25:50.000 reality of the spiritual world. And like I said, the externalization of the spiritual battle where

01:25:57.000 it's like witch doctors verse pastors and it's a showdown and you're and you're like seeing it

01:26:04.200 happen um like in a way that in the west everything because lady reason has for the time being won

01:26:11.820 the day and because you know the biggest trick that the devil ever played is convincing us that

01:26:15.540 he doesn't exist and because he was right when he said that you know god is dead we've killed him

01:26:20.960 beautiful. That's better. Better to be in shadow, better to be subversive, better to operate against

01:26:27.280 people without them even knowing that you are. This is fantastic. The devil loves the modern

01:26:31.900 West. It's very easy to operate in the shadow in a subversive way. In Africa, it's not like that.

01:26:37.620 It's like everybody leaves in the spiritual. They described it to me like their consciousness is

01:26:43.480 shaped like this and Western consciousness is shaped like this. And that's how it is. Everyone's

01:26:48.140 just wide open to it so it's like okay then where's the power at and the beautiful thing i could tell

01:26:52.720 you guys all kinds of stories where the holy spirit is just like i'm still in charge buddies

01:26:56.800 and he just like showcases his power over demons and it's just amazing to see um i'll tell you one

01:27:04.740 story if you guys are if you guys like this okay so uh this guy um fredson who's just i mean i i

01:27:14.420 just first got to say, living in a mud hut, 40 cents a day is like his total amount of money that

01:27:23.520 he has through his missionary fund. All he does from sunup to sundown is preach the gospel. He

01:27:32.200 goes this direction and goes and talks to the Muslims over here. He goes over here and talks

01:27:38.020 to the animus he is just a single guy who's just all out blood sweat and tears that's all he's

01:27:45.880 doing and i don't even know where he gets the stamina and so you know we're along with him

01:27:49.380 we're like how many more miles are we going to walk he's like my friend we have six more miles

01:27:53.640 but you'll be fine just just learn to pray my friend learn to pray and i'm like oh my goodness

01:27:58.260 this guy's crazy so just this legendary guy right so he starts telling us some stories

01:28:04.160 about you know his his life his mission etc and there was a time when he was going into basically

01:28:15.140 a totally unreached area it was like a witch doctor village like a hub almost like a witch

01:28:21.380 doctor boot camp if you will and so he goes there and they are totally closed off to him like

01:28:29.880 spiritually they can understand that he is uh a christian and they're totally hostile they don't

01:28:34.800 talk to him whatever but he basically um uh there's like a a um an area that's like about a

01:28:42.580 mile or whatever so so from there and he gets a little like a little hut there that's like a

01:28:46.200 neighboring village and he knows somebody there so he's like i'm gonna like sleep the night here

01:28:49.200 and then i'll walk back in in the morning and try to reach them again the next day right so in the

01:28:59.880 coming down uh the hut and they're like poisonous snakes and he basically realizes like oh the witch

01:29:07.520 doctors have like put snakes into my into my hut to kill me and uh i'll totally butcher it but like

01:29:15.440 the way he tells the story is so amazing he goes i just pray to god and i just reach out and touch

01:29:22.720 this snake and the snake just goes to sleep like like wait wait wait what happened and he goes and

01:29:30.780 then i just see the other one and god just says i have given you power and i just touch the other

01:29:38.180 snake and it goes to sleep and so basically he just touches these snakes and they all just die

01:29:45.040 and then the next day he goes back to the witch doctor the witch doctors with the snakes and he

01:29:51.620 goes my friend i think you have left something with me and he just and they're like and they're

01:29:59.160 like shocked they're like you know who are you and what is this power that you hold and then yeah

01:30:05.120 then i tell them i'm with god and the holy spirit is more powerful than you and basically this entire

01:30:13.160 um boot camp of witch doctors comes to christ and oh yeah and they become pastors um so it's

01:30:23.720 really cool that's huge because they they don't have to cross the barrier of understanding that

01:30:29.240 the spiritual realm is real they're they're dealing with it constantly all you have to do

01:30:34.700 in that particular instance is show them yeah yeah yeah what you're doing great fine that's all good

01:30:39.800 uh the holy spirit is way more powerful than what you're doing and they go oh okay

01:30:43.400 and they just go because well so what does this entire experience do i'm curious because i'm

01:30:50.860 trying to frame this within this western uh truncated version of christianity um and and

01:30:57.800 what it could potentially do for them these people here here in america to have a deeper understanding

01:31:03.780 of the nature of the spiritual realm what did seeing all of this and and interacting with it

01:31:09.560 And, you know, having it be right in front of your face, how did it change your faith?

01:31:15.240 What did it do for your faith?

01:31:16.660 Because you said when you first showed up, you were, you know, maybe rationalize it away.

01:31:21.220 Maybe the hands are warm and it's soothing the baby and which is, you know, I get it.

01:31:25.620 It's a fail on some parts, but it's really just a product of where we live in the paradigm

01:31:31.520 that we're in, the materialistic paradigm that we're talking about.

01:31:34.380 How did this have an effect on your what did it do to your faith?

01:31:36.840 oh yeah it obviously like i said it it um it really brought the pages of the new testament to

01:31:45.540 life for me in a different way where i realized that there is no like we're we are in a continuation

01:31:54.000 of the book of acts like we are in the same story as the bible and we're living in a reality between

01:32:02.720 the book of acts and the book of revelation basically and the mission that we've been given

01:32:07.860 to bring light into darkness to advance the kingdom of heaven and to proclaim the the message

01:32:16.220 of the cross is the same message that started in the book of acts and we kind of see this some

01:32:22.400 inklings and things of how it all goes down in revelation and we're in the middle of it and so

01:32:26.780 it really helped me like see that like wow these guys are doing the work of the kingdom here in

01:32:32.680 Africa. And it's just a little bit more, like I said, external, but you can really see it. Like

01:32:37.520 even like that story that I just told, oh, there's a little, now there is yet another kingdom outpost

01:32:44.620 out somewhere outside in Taj of Malawi where there was not because of Fredson being willing

01:32:50.780 to go to the witch doctor bootcamp. That's, that is the kingdom of heaven advancing. And then it's

01:32:56.180 just inspiring in terms of your faith. One, you're like, wow, God is, Jesus is so powerful and he's

01:33:01.420 so good and um he's the name above all names and so you just see that you're just like wow like

01:33:07.720 there is truly power it under the banner of jesus and in the name of jesus there is power

01:33:14.420 and so you just you see that firsthand and you're like okay then like how does that change the way

01:33:19.200 that i live my life really just taking everything out of the theoretical out of the doctrinal out

01:33:23.360 of the theological and into okay here's my life it's really short like the bible says it's a vapor

01:33:29.500 it's the blink of an eye we're all inside of this crazy human experience on planet earth and it

01:33:35.460 really just like solidified a lot of things for me like i've got to go like what am i doing with

01:33:39.660 my life if not if not um as best i can participating in that mission of of bringing the light into the

01:33:50.600 darkness and basically like being on team jesus like i'm like it basically just at the end of

01:33:54.920 i was like i'm all in like i'm on team jesus do whatever you want with me i'm like i'm all in

01:34:00.600 it is really like how that that uh trip left me in terms of just like mission vision identity

01:34:08.280 just like this is what i want to do with my life i want to i want to i want to be a part of this

01:34:14.360 kingdom and a part of this mission because it's so much more fun than uh just trying to like

01:34:19.800 build up the 401k or, or whatever other like aspiration you might have, you know, in life.

01:34:24.480 So, uh, that, that was a huge part of it. Um, and then you had a second question or does that

01:34:29.520 answer your question? I forgot. I had, I mean, I asked how it, how it affected your faith and,

01:34:33.720 and you know, your explanation was, uh, what I suspected. And I just think that it's such a,

01:34:39.540 it's such a bummer here. Number one, that's awesome. And number two, it's contrastually,

01:34:45.380 it's such a bummer that you know in in the west we're so detached from the spiritual realm that

01:34:51.100 when a thing happens um number one it has the ability to deceive you right because what

01:34:57.500 previously was non-existent has now presented itself to you in some way shape or form glamour

01:35:02.240 and it's so profound dude and and it really is right spiritual events are so profound

01:35:07.340 especially when you've been taught that they don't exist um but the other thing that it does

01:35:12.420 is it makes the fear so potent because you know in the bible it says over and over again do not

01:35:18.760 fear do not be discouraged fear not over and over and over again and it's like uh who said that fear

01:35:24.940 is the mind killer i'm gonna go ahead and quote somebody who whom i can't remember at the moment

01:35:28.640 um but when you have that fear it's like you know fear does a great job of messing up the mental

01:35:37.000 faculties so you don't know how to progress and we've been given a playbook right on how to deal

01:35:41.320 with these things how to test spirits how to cast them out all these things um but you don't go to

01:35:47.320 that right away when you're caught up in fear which i think is a great ploy by the enemy right

01:35:52.580 it's like keep them in darkness and then when you do expose yourself keep them in fear and the fear

01:35:56.840 just keeps them uh out of the authority that they have over this dark spiritual realm in the name of

01:36:04.240 jesus christ and you know in here in america myself included i'll come up against things

01:36:11.380 that i think are you know maybe it's witchcraft maybe it's it's you know deceptive unclean

01:36:17.040 spirits that are doing this thing or that thing to me i've had a long um life of strange events

01:36:22.920 i come from i think it's generational iniquity you talked about uh uh joseph what was his name

01:36:28.260 joseph jordan joseph jordan uh the mufon investigator who's a great source of information

01:36:33.400 on the topic. And you mentioned that he thinks a great deal of this has to do with generational

01:36:37.960 iniquity by way of occult practices. That's very much my story. So a lot of these things have had

01:36:42.860 access to me throughout my childhood. And even though I've experienced a lot, I still experience

01:36:49.200 some hesitation. You know, there is a little bit of fear. In Africa, it doesn't seem like they have

01:36:54.160 the fear. This is so normal to them. And it speaks to...

01:36:58.080 like when you when we read we're reading about elijah it's like he's he's sleeping and an angel

01:37:03.860 shows up and makes him breakfast and he's like whatever and he goes back to sleep because and

01:37:08.780 usually the angels show up and they're like hey if you're not i know i look crazy like don't be

01:37:12.240 scared and he's just like dude not now and it's like maybe that's how we're supposed to be behaving

01:37:16.600 with the supernatural and especially in today's day and age when we're coming up on that's what

01:37:21.520 it just feels like that's why i feel like that's the this is why we're at such odds with like an

01:37:26.380 albarino because i'm like we're right there yeah and if you're not looking at this thing and you're

01:37:31.840 not like i think i think we're supposed to look at these things that come and go i know something

01:37:37.380 greater you know yeah like thanks for the tech thanks for the phone but like you know i i serve

01:37:44.420 a better god yeah way better like you don't impress me at all as a matter of fact i'm not

01:37:48.760 even gonna flinch and i i hope when i i'm saying that that i i actually behave that way because i

01:37:53.860 I know it'll be a different story when you're seeing something face-to-face,

01:37:57.140 but these people in Africa, they're completely awoken to this idea.

01:38:01.480 They're not bothered at all by the existence of the spiritual realm.

01:38:04.060 They're engaging with it on a regular basis.

01:38:06.200 I think we could benefit greatly from that,

01:38:08.920 although I don't know what sort of time we have

01:38:10.860 to start engaging with the spiritual realm on a regular basis.

01:38:13.560 This is the thing that kind of bums me out, too,

01:38:15.860 is I have a tendency to argue with pagans and Wiccans and New Age practitioners.

01:38:21.360 and the problem is most of these people have had a profound spiritual experience so they no longer

01:38:28.140 have to deal with the idea of is this real and that's a great hurdle to get past but the stumbling

01:38:34.740 block i think that they're encountering is by nature or by virtue of having this experience

01:38:39.680 they then think that they understand the nature of the experience because the experience has told

01:38:44.500 them what it is and that's a huge problem and that's something that i find a lot of christians

01:38:48.240 are disarmed they're not equipped for that kind of uh a fight where these people i you know i'm

01:38:56.200 not trying to give them credit but i'll use the expression you know to credit them where credit

01:39:00.440 is due are actually engaging with the phenomenon they're actually engaging with the spiritual realm

01:39:05.740 and so at the very least what that's done is it's removed that layer of hesitancy that certainly has

01:39:11.760 been removed for people in africa um but it's the same thing for alien abductive experiencers right

01:39:17.860 they they're taken they're given a narrative by this thing they no longer have to question is the

01:39:22.640 phenomenon real is it actually taking place and a lot of christians are starting in this place where

01:39:28.740 it's it's a non-starter they can't even engage with the idea of this phenomenon because they've

01:39:34.720 never had a spiritual experience in their life or if they have they've shrunk it down and and

01:39:39.940 i want to get your thoughts on this brandon in the bible it seems that um all these different

01:39:45.620 books all these different people you know daniel in particular is a great example god doesn't um

01:39:52.200 treat a supernatural experience the way that we in the west treat our supernatural experiences

01:39:59.560 we tend to push them to the side because they don't fit our materialistic paradigm

01:40:04.500 maybe they're a cool story to tell around a campfire it is funny working out of the coffee

01:40:08.540 shop like when we do talk to regular people like what do you guys do and then we say well we talk

01:40:13.020 about supernatural experience like this or that and they go oh yeah like that's happened to me

01:40:17.300 people it's anyway a lot of people and then they get coffee and leave and it's just like no no

01:40:21.160 that's like a bookmark in your life yes and that's what i'm getting at the bible seems to highlight

01:40:25.640 those moments right uh daniel having visions or daniel seeing a disembodied hand you know uh

01:40:32.680 writing some unknown language on a wall or something like these are things that you might

01:40:37.380 tell around the campfire as a weird thing that happened to you in your life and it seems like

01:40:41.600 god is like no no no no that's actually very important yeah that's the thing and and so i

01:40:46.820 don't know what are your thoughts on that the way that people compartmentalize their experiences you

01:40:50.660 you had a a gang of them in in africa yeah i think it's interesting um i think maybe one i'm trying

01:40:59.480 to think of how to break this down like maybe one through line is that is that i'm convinced that

01:41:05.720 demonic wants attention and wants affection and like once like whether knowingly or unknowingly

01:41:12.120 people to just kind of like pay heed to it right but i think that at the same time that you know

01:41:20.120 god will will use anything like that for good and i can think of a couple examples like um

01:41:27.800 where i forgot her name but there was a lady who was talking about how all of these like satanic

01:41:32.200 ritual abuse survivors who have now come to christ are now although they were originally

01:41:38.720 supposed to be like super soldiers in this like evil way are now basically super soldiers in the

01:41:44.760 kingdom of light and prayer warriors they just like have such an awareness of like what's going

01:41:48.920 on in that category that they're basically just like amazing um ambassadors for christ you know

01:41:54.900 and that would be that would be one example i can think about um you know even uh i guess i'll do

01:42:00.820 I'll make this quick, but one, one other story from Africa that kind of directly relates to this

01:42:04.580 is, uh, and it's a little bit less spiritual, but the point you'll see the point here is I, um,

01:42:09.900 at the end of the whole time, there was this thing called the love Africa conference and all the

01:42:13.260 different like little places that we had gone to all kind of gathered for this conference.

01:42:16.920 So it was really cool. Cause for me, it was an opportunity. The little, the last little bit of

01:42:19.860 skepticism in me was, uh, like went away because of this, where I was able to see, for example,

01:42:27.140 fredsen and then i was able to meet a couple of the pastors who were the former witch doctors

01:42:32.020 who he described in that story so now i'm able to hear the story from his perspective and actually

01:42:35.780 look at this guy and see that and there was another one like that where um at this conference

01:42:41.780 there was a guy that i met who had like his arm he was missing his arm from like the shoulder down

01:42:47.700 and it wasn't a tidy fix it was like a kind of a you know jagged uh his his arm was you know

01:42:54.980 had been lopped off basically and i'm like talking to him i'm really connecting with him

01:42:58.900 really awesome guy and at some point i'm like i'm like what's the story you know with your arm

01:43:04.820 and he basically goes on to tell me um i i come from a little bit more north right at the nexus

01:43:11.860 of islam and christianity and our church was raided by muslim extremists and they um they

01:43:18.180 butchered my entire family and they all died and our entire church died except for a few survivors

01:43:25.620 and I'm one of the few survivors but in the process I lost my arm and I'm like I'm like

01:43:31.580 shocked you know that's like that's the saddest thing I've ever heard and he goes but you know

01:43:35.340 what's really amazing is once I was healed up enough I went straight back to them and I was

01:43:43.360 limping to because I did something to his leg and I proclaimed the gospel to them and he goes and

01:43:49.500 that actually changed their hearts because they didn't understand why would you come back to me

01:43:56.600 and I'm like I'm like is this true I'm like and I'm like and it was fruitful like they actually

01:44:00.460 he goes yes they they were confused shocked and curious and I began to develop relationships

01:44:07.300 with them and slowly the gospel penetrated into the community of people who had, who had, you

01:44:14.340 know, violently jihad it against us. And I'm like, that's amazing. And he goes, Oh, in fact, you know,

01:44:18.720 come over here, Mohandu. And his buddy comes up and he goes, yeah, he was one of the people who

01:44:23.040 killed my mom. Yeah. And now he's there and he's like a fellow pastor working with this guy. And

01:44:31.380 so my point about that is what the devil intends for evil, God uses for good. And it's when,

01:44:36.120 whether it's a spiritual encounter that's negative and evil like in the satanic ritual abuse

01:44:41.080 context or whether it's just a physical i mean it's still demonic i believe like jihad is demonic

01:44:45.320 um yeah and so whether it's that it's the it's the response it's the jesus response to evil

01:44:52.620 that is the most powerful thing in the world like the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church

01:44:57.900 right and so it's when it's when you respond in like manner as what christ did father forgive

01:45:05.200 them they know not what they do as his flesh is being torn apart he's being mocked ridiculed and

01:45:12.040 the sin of the world is being dumped upon him and he says father forgive them they don't know

01:45:16.180 what they're doing like that is um that that is like the power of the cross right is that he has

01:45:24.420 given us his spirit which allows us to operate in that way and when you see people live it out it's

01:45:28.460 like something's different here. Like there is something about what is fueling you as a human

01:45:35.660 being that's real and different. And so, yeah, I guess I mentioned that because I think that's

01:45:41.340 also true with the spiritual encounter stuff. Like basically simply put, whatever the enemy

01:45:49.340 of God intends for evil, God can use that very same thing and use it for good. And the encounter,

01:45:57.580 the attack whatever it was like even your story like you're probably equipped for the mission

01:46:02.280 that you're on more so based on the things that you experienced in your life you're you're now

01:46:07.900 like a double agent like you've seen that you've experienced that and now you're like on a mission

01:46:12.820 against it and you're not you're less likely to be deceived by it because you've in a sense been

01:46:17.360 inoculated against it through the exposures that you had earlier in life and so i just think that's

01:46:22.340 this is like he behaves like that one of the one of the we don't really argue but one of the

01:46:28.120 arguments that we did have we had some sort of weird spiritual attack with a an ex-friend in

01:46:33.320 the space and i don't know might have been some witchcraft involved that was actually taking place

01:46:38.440 on me really through my life for a loop and we had a falling out with this person and david goes

01:46:44.420 i'm gonna go and reach out to him and i go hey last time i got close to something like this it

01:46:50.020 cost me like tens of thousands of dollars my wife got sick and i go for me my personality type is

01:46:55.960 like ain't worth it i know it's not it's not christ-like but i'm like i got something to

01:47:00.800 build here like we were just starting to really build nephilim death squad and i could start to

01:47:05.760 see what it's what it's going to become and i still don't think it really is bloom but not

01:47:09.740 the point i was just like hey we got stuff to do here yeah me us you let's go and he's like no

01:47:16.400 that guy we got to go out there and i was like hey if you do that and something happens i'm like

01:47:21.940 is it is it worth it are we are we weighing the cost and i know that that's like an earthly idea

01:47:27.180 and i maybe i got to get rid of that but man it's something that i do still struggle with even even

01:47:32.640 with the albarino thing it's like is this worth the cost or am i just gonna like i got stuff to

01:47:37.200 do here i can't be for for me it was like i had seen so much um of the shadowy spiritual damn this

01:47:46.260 guy gets his arm cut off it's it's really crazy right it really puts things in perspective but

01:47:50.240 like i had seen so much of it and it was very similar to like the witch doctors right where

01:47:54.500 it's like oh wait because i already know all that other stuff exists and then it's like wait the

01:47:58.320 holy spirit is more powerful than all that it doesn't matter i don't have anything to fear and

01:48:01.660 then over and over again in scripture it says do not be discouraged you know because you know the

01:48:06.840 lord our god goes before us and prepares the way and holds us in the palm of his hand and all these

01:48:10.360 different things so like yeah it's all good but i love that that dude in this remote area of africa

01:48:18.480 has this experience and then we get to have that experience bleed into you know our audience they

01:48:25.840 get to hear that because that's an unbelievable story that's a powerful story man that's hard

01:48:31.140 i i don't think that i could do that you know this guy helped kill my mother it's wild i mean

01:48:36.800 like that's like that for me that's a line that there's a lot yeah but i mean for this guy he's

01:48:42.820 like yeah my arm yeah my mom but what's more important the gospel the good news you know

01:48:48.040 that that jesus christ came in the flesh like that's what's more important than any of these

01:48:52.900 and he's right he's right and i just think man there's something about dude i suck that's really

01:48:57.340 well we we started this conversation talking about the comforts of the west

01:49:02.000 and how it's made us blind to evil these we didn't talk about epstein really which is upsetting i'm

01:49:07.700 sorry it's fine i this i'm i this is much more valuable for people to hear that kind of testimony

01:49:13.460 i love when we do testimony um whether it's you know yours brandon or or you sharing these people

01:49:19.200 um and their stories because that's i think the point you know none of us have to be you talked

01:49:22.880 earlier about not knowing the stuff that we know and we don't know the stuff that you know to be

01:49:27.300 perfectly honest. But what we all have is this testimony. And I think that that's I've talked

01:49:32.920 about that before. It's like we're all being called, you know, and how do you answer that

01:49:38.060 call? What's that look like? Do you have to be this expert in scripture? Do you have to be an

01:49:41.460 expert in alien stuff and all these different things? It's like, no, dude, you all you have

01:49:46.280 to do. You don't need a camera. You don't need lights. You don't need a podcast. You just need

01:49:50.040 to share your testimony and how Jesus Christ called you and saved you. That's that's really

01:49:55.980 all you we've been armed with that thing this thing that we hold that's unique to us if it

01:50:01.880 resonates with one person out there then the job is done but that's that's what you have you don't

01:50:07.060 have to have all this other stuff so i just i'm so pumped that uh that our audience got to hear

01:50:11.900 that that was a crazy uh a crazy story um brandon i want to respect your time and i want to thank

01:50:18.380 you for being here i do have one final question we do the time for you guys i can't believe that

01:50:23.100 was that two hours that was a good time um before we get out of here uh oh wait somebody in the

01:50:30.000 comments said they said this guy has the best dad jokes 100 he's also got the best mustache

01:50:35.280 um so people have been freaking out over how awesome your mustache is uh before we get out

01:50:40.860 of here uh this is something that we like to ask everybody who's on the show and everybody

01:50:44.800 has such a unique and awesome response to it typically sometimes we'll get somebody who's a

01:50:49.340 little bit um so in all your pursuits everything that you're doing you've been to africa and your

01:50:54.640 youth and and now you've turned this corner where you know you've been unpacking the gospel and

01:51:00.700 philosophy and all these different things and now maybe there's something different uh in the future

01:51:05.820 in regards to maybe epstein and aliens just the way that the world is turning are you are you

01:51:10.440 having fun oh yeah i i'm having a blast it's so cool like i know you guys probably feel the same

01:51:16.540 way that, but to be able to, uh, to focus in on this kind of work and for it to be actually

01:51:25.540 sustainable, um, financially where you're like, Oh, I don't have to do this like on the side

01:51:31.560 while I'm working 40, 50 hours a week to, uh, you know, to pay my bills in order to

01:51:37.200 like pour myself into these topics that I really care about, but to be able to be like, okay,

01:51:41.360 this literally is what I'm doing with my life. Like I'm, I'm literally all in on trying to get

01:51:46.940 the word out about these important topics. And like I said, like we, you know, we have different

01:51:51.000 like, um, specificities, but there is a lot of overlap. Like ultimately we're taking probably,

01:51:55.760 um, you know, different angles or approaches that ultimately like the same mission, I think

01:52:01.040 it seems like. Um, and so, yeah, it's amazing. Um, I'm having, I'm having a blast. I, I try to

01:52:07.580 it loosely and just say like okay god like if i'm demonetized or it all ends tomorrow like glory to

01:52:12.780 your name and what's the next mission you you got me to go on but for as long as i'm able to do this

01:52:19.260 and call it work where it's really so directly connected to like what i actually care about

01:52:24.460 it's amazing and i just feel like like tremendously privileged and i'm sure you guys do as well to be

01:52:31.820 able to um do things that you would want to do even if it wasn't work if that makes sense like

01:52:38.700 yeah like it's like it's missional like it's literally like a mission that we're on and and

01:52:43.020 through the crazy invention of youtube and microphones we're able to like do that mission

01:52:47.900 in a capacity that we can do it um in a dedicated manner like we can be all in on that without

01:52:54.580 again like having to be tent makers who also get the word out you know you said coming at the same

01:53:03.140 thing from different angles right um the the commonality here is is the truth and jesus christ

01:53:09.700 is the way the truth in the life and so i i always say if you're earnestly seeking the truth you're

01:53:14.720 going to end up at christ and so yeah man uh we're coming at the same thing from like slightly

01:53:19.340 different angles and and i agree every day i'm i feel immensely blessed and i say the same thing

01:53:25.480 i'm like dude if it all ends what an unbelievable season in my life that i get to do this to any

01:53:30.620 degree um uh you know so then we got it'll be a good story for the grandkids right like hey there

01:53:35.880 was a time back when i was like 30 something or like believe it or not there's this thing called

01:53:39.740 youtube yeah a show called nephilim death squad one psychotic or psychotic people but bizarre

01:53:46.400 man i'm glad i'm glad you're having fun i had fun on this episode i guess it's great tremendous and

01:53:50.500 thank you for giving us your time dude this was a amazing i think you blessed our audience and us

01:53:55.440 yeah gave me something to think about where do people find uh find your work again before we

01:53:59.900 get out of here yeah the youtube channel is just called daily dose of wisdom if you type in daily

01:54:04.080 dose of wisdom it'll pull up and if you go to daily dose of wisdom.com that'll take you to

01:54:08.140 for those who are interested in like joining like a book club or a bible study or that type of thing

01:54:12.200 i have like an online community that you can access through daily dose of wisdom.com and

01:54:15.540 there's also like merch and all the things, but it's not nearly as cool as y'all's merch. So

01:54:19.060 maybe just the community and the YouTube channel. Thank you, man. Appreciate that.

01:54:24.340 All right, guys. Great episode. We'll see you later today. Yeah, we'll be back soon.

01:54:28.200 And until then, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. Goodbye.

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Nephilim Death Squad - March 27, 2026

Daily Dose of Wisdom w⧸ Brandon McGuire

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