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00:04:27.140We're joined by the guy from That 70s Show.
00:04:28.780We figured since we just did an episode with Topher, oh my God, that we would keep him because we're sitting down right now with Vicky Joy Anderson.
00:04:45.080And I know that she crushes and Topher is very interested in her work.
00:05:07.720Yeah, basically everything's under the umbrella of spiritual warfare.
00:05:13.540So, yeah, anything fringy, kooky, anything that gets you in trouble, anything that makes your church want to excommunicate you for not pounding your round peg into their round hole, I'm pretty much talking about it.
00:05:25.960You can find me at VickyJoyAnderson.com.
00:05:30.080You know, Vicky, this is something that is preview.
00:05:33.560You said, yeah, pass me that book real quick because I have here in the coffee shop slash NDS studios slash Christian library slash fabrication shop.
00:05:50.780And I was sort of, I don't know, what's the word, pumping you up before the show because I said that you're one of my favorite people.
00:05:58.060You are genuinely one of my favorite people.
00:05:59.520This topic that you said, you know, it kind of gets you pushed out by maybe the mainstream church is something that, and I wonder your thoughts on this, over the past few years has become not mainstream.
00:06:16.700Right, because the climate of Earth, you know, Earth season 2026 is so, it's so wild that these, these topics are being talked about more and more.
00:06:29.680And, and, you know, folks like you, your work has contributed to this conversation in a really major way.
00:06:36.020Like, is it at all feel like you've come out of the fringes and, and, and this conversation has evolved to be more suited for the, for the mainstream conversation or, or are we just biased because we're in it?
00:06:47.400That's a, that's a really good question.
00:06:50.280So in the last like four years, I'm still finding that the mainstream church is having difficulty with the spiritual warfare, the demonic, the supernatural.
00:07:05.400If you even say supernatural, people will want to nitpick the like precise dictionary definition of that word.
00:07:13.400I don't care what you call it, but things are about to get weird.
00:07:16.840We have a Spielberg movie about to drop in June called Disclosure.
00:07:22.440They are priming the pumps and prepping the people.
00:07:25.880They are going to go into full Lucifer telescope, baptizing alien nonsense.
00:07:32.300All the Anunnaki, all the ancient aliens, all of that stuff is coming out.
00:07:36.940So the church has got to adapt and start re-acclimating themselves with the, uh, non-scientific method, non-Plato, non-Greek, Stoic, uh, methods of reading the Bible.
00:07:53.280Because if you delve into the culture, context, history, language, and geography of the original writings, it is mind bending stuff.
00:08:07.400And if I can't even mention, uh, Moses's staff without people thinking I'm a witch.
00:08:14.840I mean, this is how far the church has gone with the putting the ears over their head saying, you know, and the fact is, uh, the world that Moses knew, the world that Joseph knew, the world that Solomon knew, uh, these were guys high up in, uh, Egyptian and Babylonian and Mesopotamian court systems, royal bloodlines.
00:08:40.940David saw giants, they, uh, if you dig into the Hebrew and the Greek, there is crazy stuff going on.
00:08:50.000And in fact, I think if the average Christian knew how many times very ancient occult practices were actually being directly addressed in scripture, they'd be offended.
00:09:02.420They kicked a preacher for preaching it.
00:09:04.040Uh, the, the ancient world saw these things eye to eye and because everything comes full circle as they disclose more and more and more of this stuff to us with the UFOs and the Anunnaki and all that, we are going to come full circle back to the days of Noah.
00:09:20.880Don't, don't point at Vicki, you know, don't, don't point your cognitive dissonance at me.
00:09:25.100I'm quoting scripture, the days of Noah.
00:09:30.380They saw these realities face to face.
00:09:32.960We are going to see some of this stuff with our own eyes.
00:09:36.420And if the church doesn't get their worldview and their doctrine and their theology and their Bible reading up to speed, you're going to find yourself in the conundrum that HP Lovecraft predicted at the end of his, um, opening paragraph of Call of Cthulhu, that if you don't take the blue pill or the red pill, you, you're going to face one of two options.
00:09:59.660You can either, uh, enter into the world, the, the insane world of the gods coming back, placidly brain pithed and just going with the flow.
00:10:13.040Or if you don't take the blue pill and you don't comply, you will go mad.
00:10:26.460I just want you to know that that's like a strike one.
00:10:29.200And that's going to cost you several net points.
00:10:30.940Where do you place the odds of the 501c3 modern American church system, like getting it figured out?
00:10:36.980Like, well, I guess that's my question is like, do you see like an awakening happening within the church or do you just see that system just completely just going astray?
00:10:46.960So, you know, the verse that says, um, it is time for, um, judgment and judgment begins with the household of God.
00:10:56.880Um, and so I really think in 2020, what I have found in the last five plus years here is a lot of genuine born again believers got red pilled.
00:11:11.960And I think that the wheat and the tare started to get separated in 2020.
00:11:19.500Well, then, um, Vicki, this is, you, you, you, you don't understand what's happening here.
00:11:24.060I know you guys use this red pill, blue pill thing, but does the red pill mean they didn't get it?
00:11:28.260Well, red pill is like this idea that you would wake up to the, the idea that the mainstream narrative is false and the paradigm that you've come to understand is not accurate.
00:11:37.540Or the blue pill is choose to stay in that illusion.
00:11:40.400Vicki, you're saying that the modern American 501c3 system in 2020 red pilled, like they figured it out.
00:11:51.340And, and, and guess what happened when the 501c3 corporation, capital C church slash trace the seeds back through Catholicism, back to me three ism back to the occult back to Kabbalah, you know, when, when they, when 2020 hit, they were asleep and most of the church didn't wake up.
00:12:15.200What happened to the church that woke up?
00:12:17.280You would think that if 5% of the church woke up, there'd be revival, but no, what happened?
00:12:25.180The people that got red pilled left the church and never came back because they're like, man, the 501c3, they're taking money from the government.
00:12:35.760They're putting all of these like soap dispensers all over the church and taking out the chairs and telling people if they stand next to someone or they sing a worship song, they're going to jail.
00:12:44.540So what happened is the people that got red pilled, the people that got awakened, the people that saw this whole entire religious system is a thought prison.
00:13:02.320They're now forming house churches, like in the book of Acts, they're going back to a house church model, or they're getting all of their spiritual fellowship and content online.
00:13:14.880And this is a shame because, you know, I just made a tweet about this the other day when it comes to the Epstein files, for example.
00:13:21.700There's this great revelation that's taking place where people are finding out that the elites are potentially sacrificing children, making slaves of men, doing, you know, rituals and are commiserating with, you know, fallen gods.
00:13:34.580And it's, it's almost like that sounds like a revelation on one hand, but in reality, it sounds like the world as it's been in a constant state, you know, as the Bible describes to us.
00:13:46.460And so what's fascinating about people not having a framework for these things that are coming, whether it's disclosure or, or it's, you know, what Epstein was actually doing.
00:13:55.480Um, it is a great shame because they actually do have a framework.
00:14:01.680It does address these things to reveal that these things are taking place is simply to reveal that the world has been in a static state of being fallen.
00:14:09.580Imagine if today was the day your idea changed someone's life.
00:14:13.720Imagine if you could help someone pay for college, help your community build a new playground or help a child make it to that dream competition.
00:15:41.300The people are warned not to give their children unto Moloch in the Bible.
00:15:45.000So it's like all the framework is there.
00:15:47.480But we're going to go through this thing, I think, where a thing will be revealed to us and people will fall away from Christianity, much like they already have.
00:15:56.060You know, given your description of what happened in 2020, they'll fall away from it thinking that it doesn't have the answers.
00:16:02.140And it's incredible because everything is centered around a book that has the answers.
00:16:19.340Therefore, this has been, like you said, a control mechanism, a control system for the masses, for, you know, the better part of, I guess, human history.
00:16:27.820Just to give you a little bit of like, I don't know, background on what we've been doing since we last spoke.
00:16:32.480I think we were probably in my house, the last studio, like a darker background since we last spoke.
00:16:37.980We met Matt and we forced ourself into his coffee shop.
00:18:48.160And it's creating something strange that I don't know exactly what it is.
00:18:51.660But I would you say it's fair, Matt, to say like you opened up a coffee shop because part of your goal was to like help preach the gospel to people.
00:19:21.820Instead, you dedicated it to various Christian texts and commentaries.
00:19:28.820Yeah, that was our thought was like, hey, God, if like you want to bring the real ones into the church, you probably don't want to take them to the local 501 C3 system where they're just going to like freeze out and die.
00:19:39.220So like if you want to like call real ones, Lord, will be a faithful place you can send them to was was honestly that was my wife and I's heart was was to just do that.
00:19:48.820So I think, Vicki, it's what we're trying to get at is like it's an interesting time.
00:19:53.760I do think that we're going to, you know, see a lot of these things to come to pass.
00:19:56.980But where the church, where the 501 C3 system might fail, and I'm sure there's going to be examples where it where it succeeds and there's real believers within the system.
00:20:05.280And, you know, but there are other things happening.
00:20:26.640And there's a whole other ball of wax that's going to come into it.
00:20:31.200You know, it's one thing if you're fellowshipping online and you're getting some really good content from content creators who know the word and they're deep diving into it.
00:20:40.560And there may be tearing back the English translations and saying, OK, what what really is the context and the culture and the history and the language and the geography of the text?
00:20:48.820But now we are I believe we're being groomed as Christians.
00:20:53.600Look, the infrastructure of your religious system has been infiltrated.
00:20:58.940The Trojan horses come in and your churches now are just seminary tradition driven coffee shop fellowships for an hour every Sunday.
01:34:34.880Anyone with, anyone with a Derringer that's got one lead bullet is going to shoot one guy at least once, right?
01:34:40.540I mean, so I think this idea that there's only one group at the top of the pyramid or there's one bad guy or one royal bloodline or even one satan.
01:34:53.780We would have so much more excitement and cultural pride in who we are as children of God if we understood how badass Jesus is.
01:35:11.340He's not some dude in sandals that conquered one guy.
01:35:14.220He has conquered, you know, zillions of these things that are coming at him from every angle.
01:35:21.160This is the guy in the Bruce Lee movies that is kung fu-ing a hundred people coming at him, coming at him, coming at him.
01:35:30.060And I just think it's sad that we can go to a movie and see some Superman or Spider-Man or Iron Man or something like that.
01:35:39.860And we can be so in awe of this fictionalized rebranding.
01:35:47.880Let's put an old Nephilim in tights and I'm going to get the tattoos and the mugs and the pajamas and the bedsheets and I'm going to go to the Comic-Cons and I'm going to spend my life oohing and aahing over this guy in tights.
01:35:59.500And then never realize that Jesus is the one that's conquering every single one of them and yet he bores us.
01:36:07.820It is amazing how they've managed to take something so epic and make it so boring.
01:36:13.680I think what people are preparing to fall for is something that is akin to, you know, the people of antiquity where you have, what's the marker of a good God?
01:36:24.540You know, when you look at like the Greek mythos or any of the mythoses and surely, you know, Zeus and the rest of the pantheons were revered and loved, right?
01:36:33.620I mean, obviously there are a lot of stories where you look at it and you go, these people are horrifying or these entities are horrifying, but they were revered and they were loved and they were worshipped.
01:36:41.700And they were worshipped and loved because of the things that they could give their worshippers, their followers, right?
01:36:50.460They have the ability to, let's say, impart wisdom and mystic teachings, technologies, even if you want to go down that route.
01:37:01.480But all throughout antiquity, we have these examples of these entities teaching agriculture, teaching metallurgy, you know, which are responsible for huge leaps and advancement in early people.
01:37:12.340And certainly by all measures, they made the lives of the inhabitants of these cities and these, you know, these cultures exponentially better.
01:37:26.260To take primitive people who are constantly teetering on the cusp of like starvation, really, because it's like if there's not a good hunt that year,
01:37:36.060if the herd doesn't move through or if you're not successful in your hunt and your gather, well, then that could mean life or death if the weather rolls in in a bad way.
01:37:45.160But if you can prepare for the future, learning agriculture, you know, planting crops, domesticating animals, that ensures longevity.
01:37:54.580That changes the game by that measure.
01:41:04.940We do know that agriculture and farming and metals and all this stuff, it was all good things.
01:41:12.680And we also know that God, probably more likely pre-incarnate Messiah, when he was with the people, he was teaching them things.
01:41:21.580I mean, there's all sorts of mysteries hidden in that Torah and in the oral tradition of Abraham, Isaac, and his kids.
01:41:28.700You read the book of Jasher and you find out they knew how to read the star map, the Maseroth.
01:41:34.220When they went to build the temple, all of a sudden, men were supernaturally endowed with the ability to know blueprint design, carpentry, architecture.
01:41:51.020And all of a sudden, we had a guy who had a gifting to make musical instruments and to make music.
01:41:59.560So, you know, God, pre-incarnate Messiah, they also have the ability to teach mankind things to make life more convenient and easy and make sure we don't starve and things like that.
01:42:11.600So the reason why the things that were shared by the watchers were worthless is because the intent wasn't for our convenience and our health, wealth, and happiness.
01:42:23.380The same way today, the elites give us all of these things, but it's not for our health, wealth, and happiness.
01:42:46.860I'm going to show women how to make cosmetics so they can seduce men and destroy marriages.
01:42:51.620And so it's not that the information or the mystery itself was bad, but the reason why they were the worthless mysteries is, again, knowledge of good and evil.
01:43:29.080You're going to have to work and enslave yourself to earn money and to get the health insurance and to buy it and, oh, we're all out.
01:43:37.120And so I think with this good or bad, let's contrast that now with the kingdom of God.
01:43:44.240Jesus comes to earth, and he did not promise or achieve wealth, health, happiness, and prosperity, which is why so many people, even within his own little group, were questioning,
01:44:03.300John the Baptist, is this really the guy?
01:44:35.540These guys were obsessed with the power and the positions in government that they thought that they were going to inherit from this special friendship.
01:44:43.500That's where they thought this was all leading.
01:44:46.000And that's why when Jesus died, they were all so disillusioned.
01:45:41.040They were going from town to town, not even bringing a money bag with them, couch surfing with whoever would take them.
01:45:48.360And so this idea of good and bad, the government has groomed us to believe that something is good and loving and trustworthy if it gives you health, wealth, long life, prosperity.
01:46:02.280That's not the gifts of the kingdom of heaven.
01:46:07.260And, you know, we do, we know from Psalm 27, I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.
01:46:13.820Be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord.
01:46:15.640But we also know that it's not going to be until we come into his kingdom that we are going to achieve the health, wealth, and long life and eternal life and prosperity.
01:46:25.100And we are now living in a world that is being dominated and run by the adversary.
01:46:33.420And he's going to promote his own people.
01:46:37.000He's not going to put people in positions of authority that are working against his kingdom.
01:46:40.940And so I think even when we talk about good and bad, when we talk about love, when we talk about all of these good things, that we have to be very careful.
01:46:52.780The same way we buck the system when we're dream hacked and we're told to look up the celebrity or look up the Burger King, we also have to tell the government and the people out there who own all the pharmacies and the health insurance companies and the jobs with the paychecks and the bonus checks.
01:47:10.720We have to constantly be saying, like, Jesus, no, why do you call me good?
01:47:18.900And it is as true today as it was back then.
01:47:21.040And so as long as we keep defining health, wealth, and prosperity, and goodness, and love, and safety the way the government tells us we are supposed to define it, first, the more pacified we're going to be with their poultry little temporal gifts that aren't going to do a thing for us except give us a meal every day and a game system, right?
01:47:45.020You know, they're willing to give us that stuff to pacify us, but the real definitions of good, the real definition of love, this is why it's important.
01:47:56.580Like, earlier we were talking about having to define terms and why is it important if we dig deep down and try to figure these things out?
01:48:05.960But Judas wound up selling Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver because Jesus didn't meet his expectations.
01:48:18.140He had a terrestrial human definition of who Jesus was and what Jesus came for and what Jesus was going to accomplish.
01:48:28.500And when Jesus failed to meet Judas' shallow expectation, it led to his destruction.
01:48:39.160And so we have to understand, not the English translation or the church traditions or what the 501c3 pastor says or what the seminaries tell us.
01:48:52.000If we aren't deep diving into scripture and understanding the culture, context, history, language, and geography, the Hebraic lenses, we are taught, we are intentionally taught from kindergarten through 12th grade and all the way through college, a Masonic way of learning the seven sciences.
01:49:17.640This is all Masonic, the foundation of our entire public liberal arts education.
01:49:24.200Liber comes from the Latin word liber, free.
01:49:49.680We're going to give you the free version.
01:49:51.140But all of the seven sciences and the liberal education, all of it is Freemasonic, which goes all the way back into the original dragon courts and the secret societies going all the way back to Cain.
01:50:05.860And it's this grooming, it's this dumbing down.
01:50:09.820So if we're not in the word, the most important question in the whole Bible and every single thing in the world hinges on it, your life, your happiness, your joy, your prosperity, how you define all these things, where you're going to spend eternity is when Jesus said to Peter, who do you say I am?
01:50:29.340If you get that question wrong, everything fails.
01:50:34.760You know, as you're talking, and I think you're right, that is the most fundamental question to be asking here, especially because if we're presented an antichrist, it'll be something that is a palatable version of Jesus that people can, you know, accept who maybe aren't so grounded in the gospel.
01:50:51.120You know, like, it's such a bizarre juxtaposition of like, yeah, what you just said there is really what I've been trying to do and get at since I've been on this journey.
01:51:03.460It's like, I'm trying to understand the personality and the nature of God.
01:51:07.460You do that by talking to him, by reading the Bible.
01:51:09.980You do that by fellowshipping with other people that can explain things to you.
01:51:13.500But it's like, we need to define that.
01:51:17.320So that definition is super important.
01:51:19.440But on the other hand, that's an important definition.
01:51:53.020These dudes like were in the scriptures and had no clue.
01:51:55.920But that's the incorrect definition of the scripture because they're using the scripture to fit something that they've already their preconceived narrative that they wanted to happen.
01:52:05.160Maybe from passed down word or maybe from their their current strifes or whatever was going on politically of the day.
01:52:12.000But our goal of scripture has to be to get into communication with God.
01:52:16.240Yeah, because I don't we don't we're probably still not right.
01:52:19.540That's right about what we're reading and interpreting.
01:52:22.340But as time unfolds, things make a little bit more sense.
01:52:25.580And you have to be able to go left or right with what you like, like how Vicki opened up this conversation, like how we've previously thought, like I have to be OK with that dying off.
01:52:37.940And if God has revealed something new to me, that's fine.
01:52:41.260But I have to be ready to move in that direction.
01:52:43.120Otherwise, I'm just going to be stuck here.
01:52:45.620And I don't want to call myself a Judas.
01:52:47.580But what are the ramifications of being stuck in your thinking?
01:52:51.360Well, this is why it's careful to to not lean on your own understanding.
01:52:54.240I mean, not only did they have scripture, but they had Jesus.
01:52:57.180And they were still he was literally there.
01:52:58.720They were high five in them and they still got it wrong.
01:53:00.680So like we're 2000 years past it or I mean, maybe more.
01:53:04.040But it makes me wonder what things were we're currently getting wrong, you know, grossly misinterpreting.
01:53:09.380But one of the things that's really fascinating to me grossly, but are we intentionally misinterpreting?
01:53:14.740I think it's OK to get it's all right if we get something wrong.
01:53:17.420But if you intentionally misinterpret it because it doesn't fit to your.
01:53:22.900You're saying you want this to fit party lines is a good description, but more more like you're you're just your interests, whatever your interests are at any given moment, whether it's party lines or it's you want to be in a certain group or you have a narrative that you want to protect, whatever your interests are.
01:53:36.860If they supersede the gospel, if they supersede the truth, then, you know, you're pretty well screwed.
01:53:42.840It's like a constant reassessment of, well, what are my interests?
01:53:47.080Every time we sit down here, anything other than that, it's dangerous to going into the scripture with any like preconceived like my doctrine is this or my denomination believes this or cemetery school taught me that like anything other than, hey, Lord, I just want to know whatever you want to show me.
01:54:01.960Yeah, it's just whatever you want to show me, however, I can serve.
01:54:05.940If you reveal a thing to me, that's dope.
01:54:09.300I want to know I'll pursue, but I'm not going to lean on my own understanding.
01:54:12.040Like it's a it's a constant thing, because especially now as a conspiracy theorist, you know, there's all this vindication getting tossed around, which is super tempting.
01:54:21.900If the Epstein files come out, if disclosure comes out, anything that is big and of that nature, you could easily look over and go like, look how right I was.
01:54:30.820Look how right I was, which I'll do that and I'll do it as a joke.
01:54:39.520Isn't it cool that I do all this stuff?
01:54:40.660And she goes, yeah, yeah, baby, it's cool.
01:54:42.060But like you got to you have to curb that because that thing is like, look, what you're saying is like, look how great my understanding is.
01:54:51.920And that's like one step away from like, I can lean on this.
01:55:18.200So you look back, like we were saying, at those groups of antiquity and they were they were worshiping these gods and these gods made them dependent.
01:55:53.680They provide through like welfare and everything, all these systems that make you dependent, you sacrifice endless amounts of babies in the, you know, what would you call it?
01:56:03.360Uh, what's the, what's the, it's called what you're describing is called prostitution.
01:56:07.660No, no, no, but there's a colloquial, uh, terminology, uh, healthcare, but it's, it's reproductive care.
01:56:22.840It's just decentralized where it was centralized in like a group of entities.
01:56:26.740Now the entities have taken a back seat and they're using man to orchestrate, but it's the exact same thing.
01:56:31.900If they do the disclosure, it's going to be the same thing as the old system where now you have these entities and they're giving you systems and they're giving you technologies.
01:56:45.600Well, I only watched it cause I can't read, but in the show, um, you know, these entities come and they, they introduce these systems and they introduce these technologies and they create a utopia and they don't reveal themselves to mankind.
01:56:57.700And then mankind falls into such a false sense of security because how much of a utopia has been created?
01:57:34.780You know, I, I know I'm opening a can of worms here and I'm really not meaning to, but it's just perfect.
01:57:41.580So by way of just going off of what Matt was saying, where, when, if we go into the scripture, trying to see it as a proof text for our denomination, instead of jumping off the cliff and seeing what it really means.
01:57:53.620So Jesus is our example in the garden, okay.
01:58:00.520Or when he, in the garden of Gethsemane, when he was praying, right?
01:58:03.980He was saying, okay, God, I know this has been the plan from the beginning, but now that I'm a few hours away from it, if there's any plan B here, just let me know now.