Nephilim Death Squad - Demonic Aliens and Generational Iniquity w⧸ Vicki Joy Anderson & Topher Gardner

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00:03:24.340 Welcome, Black, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. 0.95

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00:04:05.780 We have a lot of people in the studio here today.

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00:04:12.760 We're joined by Matt, and we're also joined by Topher Grace of Biochar.

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00:04:28.780 We figured since we just did an episode with Topher, oh my God, that we would keep him because we're sitting down right now with Vicky Joy Anderson.

00:04:45.080 And I know that she crushes and Topher is very interested in her work.

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00:04:53.380 So thank you for joining us.

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00:04:56.000 Vicky didn't even know.

00:04:56.760 She thought she was just going to talk to two of us.

00:04:58.820 Instead, now she's got to deal with four schizophrenic people. 0.96

00:05:02.680 Before we get into it, Vicky, let's remind everybody what it is you do and where they can find your work.

00:05:07.240 Oh, man.

00:05:07.720 Yeah, basically everything's under the umbrella of spiritual warfare.

00:05:13.540 So, yeah, anything fringy, kooky, anything that gets you in trouble, anything that makes your church want to excommunicate you for not pounding your round peg into their round hole, I'm pretty much talking about it.

00:05:25.960 You can find me at VickyJoyAnderson.com.

00:05:28.360 That's Vicky with an I. 0.86

00:05:30.080 You know, Vicky, this is something that is preview.

00:05:33.560 You said, yeah, pass me that book real quick because I have here in the coffee shop slash NDS studios slash Christian library slash fabrication shop.

00:05:44.500 We have really quickly.

00:05:46.200 They only come out at night and we have that sitting here.

00:05:49.920 One of your books.

00:05:50.780 And I was sort of, I don't know, what's the word, pumping you up before the show because I said that you're one of my favorite people.

00:05:58.060 You are genuinely one of my favorite people.

00:05:59.520 This topic that you said, you know, it kind of gets you pushed out by maybe the mainstream church is something that, and I wonder your thoughts on this, over the past few years has become not mainstream.

00:06:13.140 It's definitely not mainstream.

00:06:13.880 I wouldn't say it's mainstream, but I think that the.

00:06:16.040 More widely acceptable.

00:06:16.700 Right, because the climate of Earth, you know, Earth season 2026 is so, it's so wild that these, these topics are being talked about more and more.

00:06:29.680 And, and, you know, folks like you, your work has contributed to this conversation in a really major way.

00:06:35.140 Vicky, what's it been like?

00:06:36.020 Like, is it at all feel like you've come out of the fringes and, and, and this conversation has evolved to be more suited for the, for the mainstream conversation or, or are we just biased because we're in it?

00:06:47.400 That's a, that's a really good question.

00:06:50.280 So in the last like four years, I'm still finding that the mainstream church is having difficulty with the spiritual warfare, the demonic, the supernatural.

00:07:05.400 If you even say supernatural, people will want to nitpick the like precise dictionary definition of that word.

00:07:11.960 And I'm not married to that word.

00:07:13.400 I don't care what you call it, but things are about to get weird.

00:07:16.840 We have a Spielberg movie about to drop in June called Disclosure.

00:07:22.440 They are priming the pumps and prepping the people.

00:07:25.880 They are going to go into full Lucifer telescope, baptizing alien nonsense. 0.85

00:07:32.300 All the Anunnaki, all the ancient aliens, all of that stuff is coming out. 1.00

00:07:36.940 So the church has got to adapt and start re-acclimating themselves with the, uh, non-scientific method, non-Plato, non-Greek, Stoic, uh, methods of reading the Bible.

00:07:53.280 Because if you delve into the culture, context, history, language, and geography of the original writings, it is mind bending stuff.

00:08:07.400 And if I can't even mention, uh, Moses's staff without people thinking I'm a witch.

00:08:14.840 I mean, this is how far the church has gone with the putting the ears over their head saying, you know, and the fact is, uh, the world that Moses knew, the world that Joseph knew, the world that Solomon knew, uh, these were guys high up in, uh, Egyptian and Babylonian and Mesopotamian court systems, royal bloodlines.

00:08:40.940 David saw giants, they, uh, if you dig into the Hebrew and the Greek, there is crazy stuff going on.

00:08:50.000 And in fact, I think if the average Christian knew how many times very ancient occult practices were actually being directly addressed in scripture, they'd be offended.

00:09:02.420 They kicked a preacher for preaching it.

00:09:04.040 Uh, the, the ancient world saw these things eye to eye and because everything comes full circle as they disclose more and more and more of this stuff to us with the UFOs and the Anunnaki and all that, we are going to come full circle back to the days of Noah. 0.83

00:09:20.880 Don't, don't point at Vicki, you know, don't, don't point your cognitive dissonance at me.

00:09:25.100 I'm quoting scripture, the days of Noah.

00:09:28.560 This is what people said.

00:09:30.380 They saw these realities face to face.

00:09:32.960 We are going to see some of this stuff with our own eyes.

00:09:36.420 And if the church doesn't get their worldview and their doctrine and their theology and their Bible reading up to speed, you're going to find yourself in the conundrum that HP Lovecraft predicted at the end of his, um, opening paragraph of Call of Cthulhu, that if you don't take the blue pill or the red pill, you, you're going to face one of two options.

00:09:59.660 You can either, uh, enter into the world, the, the insane world of the gods coming back, placidly brain pithed and just going with the flow.

00:10:13.040 Or if you don't take the blue pill and you don't comply, you will go mad.

00:10:19.400 Yes.

00:10:20.240 What a banger of a way to open this up.

00:10:22.800 Can I ask something or.

00:10:24.140 You could ask two things.

00:10:25.340 I'll allow you.

00:10:25.880 What's your, what's your.

00:10:26.460 I just want you to know that that's like a strike one.

00:10:29.200 And that's going to cost you several net points.

00:10:30.940 Where do you place the odds of the 501c3 modern American church system, like getting it figured out?

00:10:36.980 Like, well, I guess that's my question is like, do you see like an awakening happening within the church or do you just see that system just completely just going astray?

00:10:46.660 Okay.

00:10:46.960 So, you know, the verse that says, um, it is time for, um, judgment and judgment begins with the household of God.

00:10:56.880 Um, and so I really think in 2020, what I have found in the last five plus years here is a lot of genuine born again believers got red pilled.

00:11:11.960 And I think that the wheat and the tare started to get separated in 2020.

00:11:16.020 Hang on.

00:11:16.180 I'm so sorry to ask this.

00:11:17.500 What is the red pill?

00:11:18.200 Chris, I'm sorry.

00:11:18.920 What is the red pill?

00:11:19.500 Well, then, um, Vicki, this is, you, you, you, you don't understand what's happening here.

00:11:24.060 I know you guys use this red pill, blue pill thing, but does the red pill mean they didn't get it?

00:11:28.260 Well, red pill is like this idea that you would wake up to the, the idea that the mainstream narrative is false and the paradigm that you've come to understand is not accurate.

00:11:37.540 Or the blue pill is choose to stay in that illusion.

00:11:40.400 Vicki, you're saying that the modern American 501c3 system in 2020 red pilled, like they figured it out.

00:11:47.880 They said, okay, we're getting due.

00:11:49.400 A remnant, a remnant figured it out.

00:11:51.340 And, and, and guess what happened when the 501c3 corporation, capital C church slash trace the seeds back through Catholicism, back to me three ism back to the occult back to Kabbalah, you know, when, when they, when 2020 hit, they were asleep and most of the church didn't wake up.

00:12:15.200 What happened to the church that woke up?

00:12:17.280 You would think that if 5% of the church woke up, there'd be revival, but no, what happened?

00:12:25.180 The people that got red pilled left the church and never came back because they're like, man, the 501c3, they're taking money from the government.

00:12:34.800 They're complying.

00:12:35.760 They're putting all of these like soap dispensers all over the church and taking out the chairs and telling people if they stand next to someone or they sing a worship song, they're going to jail.

00:12:44.540 So what happened is the people that got red pilled, the people that got awakened, the people that saw this whole entire religious system is a thought prison.

00:12:55.680 Yep.

00:12:56.300 They, they left the church and when the churches opened back up, they stayed away.

00:13:01.420 They didn't go back.

00:13:02.320 They're now forming house churches, like in the book of Acts, they're going back to a house church model, or they're getting all of their spiritual fellowship and content online.

00:13:14.600 Right.

00:13:14.880 And this is a shame because, you know, I just made a tweet about this the other day when it comes to the Epstein files, for example.

00:13:21.700 There's this great revelation that's taking place where people are finding out that the elites are potentially sacrificing children, making slaves of men, doing, you know, rituals and are commiserating with, you know, fallen gods.

00:13:34.580 And it's, it's almost like that sounds like a revelation on one hand, but in reality, it sounds like the world as it's been in a constant state, you know, as the Bible describes to us.

00:13:46.460 And so what's fascinating about people not having a framework for these things that are coming, whether it's disclosure or, or it's, you know, what Epstein was actually doing.

00:13:55.480 Um, it is a great shame because they actually do have a framework.

00:14:00.280 It is there in your Bible.

00:14:01.680 It does address these things to reveal that these things are taking place is simply to reveal that the world has been in a static state of being fallen.

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00:15:25.240 For quite some time.

00:15:26.440 I mean, the Bible talks a lot about the worshiping of, you know, false gods, false idols.

00:15:34.280 There's countless instances of men being taken, you know, into slavery.

00:15:38.840 You know, you're warned.

00:15:41.300 The people are warned not to give their children unto Moloch in the Bible.

00:15:45.000 So it's like all the framework is there.

00:15:47.480 But we're going to go through this thing, I think, where a thing will be revealed to us and people will fall away from Christianity, much like they already have. 0.96

00:15:56.060 You know, given your description of what happened in 2020, they'll fall away from it thinking that it doesn't have the answers.

00:16:02.140 And it's incredible because everything is centered around a book that has the answers.

00:16:07.080 It's all in there.

00:16:08.580 This thing that we're about to see come to pass is described ad nauseum in the Bible.

00:16:13.580 But people are still going to go, wow, well, this isn't addressed by the church.

00:16:18.280 This isn't addressed by Christianity.

00:16:19.340 Therefore, this has been, like you said, a control mechanism, a control system for the masses, for, you know, the better part of, I guess, human history.

00:16:27.820 Just to give you a little bit of like, I don't know, background on what we've been doing since we last spoke.

00:16:32.480 I think we were probably in my house, the last studio, like a darker background since we last spoke.

00:16:37.980 We met Matt and we forced ourself into his coffee shop.

00:16:42.720 That's right.

00:16:43.160 Which is why you see people walking back and forth back there.

00:16:45.260 We are in a side room.

00:16:46.200 But Matt has been on some, I guess I'll let Matt explain his mission of the coffee shop.

00:16:53.120 And I think it's a, it's kind of like a fascinating story.

00:16:57.820 So it's such a risky thing, giving him compliments, isn't it?

00:17:00.740 I know, dude, it's crazy.

00:17:01.820 No, I just, I mean, it's just very rare.

00:17:03.980 That's all.

00:17:04.300 No, so we just opened a Christian library.

00:17:08.780 Like we knew the 501c3 system was like kind of a decrepit, old, rotting away system for like before 2020, right?

00:17:15.760 But then we watched the 2020 thing happen because we opened in February of 2020.

00:17:19.980 And, you know, another major thing that happened in 2020 was that churchgoers were like, well, so do we have to go?

00:17:27.480 Like we were told all the time, you got to go every Sunday.

00:17:29.880 And now there's like the most, you know, terrifying virus on the planet.

00:17:34.560 It's killing everybody.

00:17:36.120 And this is the time we don't have to go.

00:17:38.120 Like I thought it was so important that we go every Sunday.

00:17:40.340 And like you get, you got to go.

00:17:42.280 And so people were just in this crazy scenario.

00:17:45.640 But it just seems like, yeah, it's got to go back to what is going on.

00:17:51.160 Come on, you're a professional.

00:17:54.540 Ignore it.

00:17:54.920 You got to go back to the home church, man.

00:17:57.660 And then, yeah, especially like the podcast world where you can just like reach people with the gospel.

00:18:02.340 It's just kind of rad now.

00:18:03.680 Like how many people can be reached by it?

00:18:05.420 Right.

00:18:05.740 But I think what Topp was really getting at was like you kind of opened up a coffee shop.

00:18:09.040 I was hoping he'd explain it.

00:18:10.440 Sorry, the chick got me off track, dude. 0.98

00:18:12.500 Like I get off track like super easy, bro.

00:18:14.780 She was trying to talk to me.

00:18:16.320 Well, hold on.

00:18:16.740 For the audience who's listening, we decided to open up the double doors that lead to just the public area.

00:18:22.160 And guests are just coming in and they're just staring.

00:18:24.240 But it's just fine.

00:18:24.720 It's fine.

00:18:24.980 So Matt has this coffee shop that's doing this very sneaky.

00:18:29.740 No, it's doing this local thing where it's gathering the local believers here and kind of like forming.

00:18:37.420 It's a beautiful thing when you see it.

00:18:38.900 And we've done the same something similar but online with crazy people.

00:18:43.220 And it just so happened that now these things have been mixed.

00:18:45.740 Yeah.

00:18:46.360 And one is within the other.

00:18:48.160 And it's creating something strange that I don't know exactly what it is.

00:18:51.660 But I would you say it's fair, Matt, to say like you opened up a coffee shop because part of your goal was to like help preach the gospel to people.

00:19:00.980 And so you use this.

00:19:02.580 I would say an equal 50 percent of this location is a Christian library.

00:19:09.500 It's exactly 50.

00:19:10.600 It's exactly 50 percent.

00:19:11.660 And so he literally cut the place in half.

00:19:13.620 What could have been more revenue generating, whatever.

00:19:16.440 You could have sold more goods.

00:19:17.500 You could have put out more snack.

00:19:19.540 I mean, his business isn't doing that well.

00:19:21.320 That's right now.

00:19:21.820 Instead, you dedicated it to various Christian texts and commentaries.

00:19:28.820 Yeah, that was our thought was like, hey, God, if like you want to bring the real ones into the church, you probably don't want to take them to the local 501 C3 system where they're just going to like freeze out and die. 0.87

00:19:39.220 So like if you want to like call real ones, Lord, will be a faithful place you can send them to was was honestly that was my wife and I's heart was was to just do that.

00:19:47.660 Yeah, that's beautiful.

00:19:48.820 So I think, Vicki, it's what we're trying to get at is like it's an interesting time.

00:19:53.760 I do think that we're going to, you know, see a lot of these things to come to pass.

00:19:56.980 But where the church, where the 501 C3 system might fail, and I'm sure there's going to be examples where it where it succeeds and there's real believers within the system.

00:20:05.280 And, you know, but there are other things happening.

00:20:09.020 Right.

00:20:09.500 I mean, there is I guess you would call the ministries podcast.

00:20:13.400 You know, you've been on so many and you've talked to so many people.

00:20:17.480 We're trying to reach people on this thing.

00:20:20.100 The landscape is changing rapidly.

00:20:23.580 Yeah, it absolutely is.

00:20:25.140 It's interesting.

00:20:26.640 And there's a whole other ball of wax that's going to come into it.

00:20:31.200 You know, it's one thing if you're fellowshipping online and you're getting some really good content from content creators who know the word and they're deep diving into it.

00:20:40.560 And there may be tearing back the English translations and saying, OK, what what really is the context and the culture and the history and the language and the geography of the text?

00:20:48.820 But now we are I believe we're being groomed as Christians.

00:20:53.600 Look, the infrastructure of your religious system has been infiltrated.

00:20:58.940 The Trojan horses come in and your churches now are just seminary tradition driven coffee shop fellowships for an hour every Sunday. 0.79

00:21:10.780 Right.

00:21:10.920 And so it's driving people to the Internet and now warning ahead.

00:21:16.980 It's going to start driving these isolated people.

00:21:20.620 So what happens as as genuine believers become more and more and more hungry?

00:21:27.080 We've had the milk for decades.

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00:21:34.300 We want deep understanding of the text.

00:21:38.280 We want to know what was the actual Hebraic cultural first century and before understanding what what really is the gospel of the kingdom.

00:21:49.620 It has to be more than pray a prayer.

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00:22:43.540 So what's going to happen as the churches become more and more seeker friendly,

00:22:47.360 more driven towards activities and entertainment and just feel good,

00:22:54.040 your weekly group therapy.

00:22:56.720 They're going to start going more and more online for their content.

00:23:00.420 And what's going to start happening is people are going to start diving into AI and chatbots

00:23:07.540 for their deeper knowledge.

00:23:09.860 They're going to get tired of the surface level stuff.

00:23:12.680 And so what I think we're beginning to see now through early renditions of chat,

00:23:19.760 GPT, Grok, things like that is we have people now going to not the Bibles, 0.95

00:23:26.760 but they're going to the chatbots asking these deep, deep questions about the theology.

00:23:32.380 And it's not even that they're going to get all lies.

00:23:35.140 We know that that's not what the enemy, how the enemy works.

00:23:37.500 But what we're going to then start to, I think, run into is at what point as these chatbots go from

00:23:49.160 basic algorithms and basic just information gathering and summarizing,

00:23:54.820 as it goes from AI to AGI, as it goes, perhaps sentient, perhaps sapient,

00:24:03.240 you know, 10 years from now or whatever, what's going to happen?

00:24:07.280 Or I should say, what is going to be the difference between no longer going to the church,

00:24:14.120 no longer going to the pastors, no longer going to the commentaries,

00:24:17.040 no longer going to the word of God,

00:24:18.280 you're going to these chatbots that have all of this knowledge,

00:24:21.760 and they can piece together all of the puzzle pieces for you.

00:24:25.820 At what point, think days of Noah, at what point is that going to be different?

00:24:31.680 The men in the book of Enoch, where it said that the watchers came down

00:24:35.280 and shared the mysteries of heaven that men wanted, men sought to have.

00:24:40.760 At what point does the phone, the chatbot become the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

00:24:48.020 And at what point are we culpable as believers for partaking in it?

00:24:54.140 Dang.

00:24:54.460 That's a fascinating thing to say, because just this previous episode,

00:24:57.640 we were talking about shortcuts to knowledge and wisdom and how these things rarely pan out.

00:25:05.000 I don't know how to quantify it or how to express it,

00:25:07.840 but it does seem to be that so much of the problem with this,

00:25:13.380 let's say, coveted information or even what the wisdom schools hope to impart on people.

00:25:20.000 And obviously, it's a slippery slope.

00:25:23.220 It leads to Gnostic beliefs.

00:25:24.900 It leads to things like the god of this realm is the Demiurge and all these crazy things.

00:25:29.260 But it seems like knowledge that is achieved through shortcuts,

00:25:37.360 it's almost like the reason that we couldn't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil

00:25:44.060 is because you wouldn't let your child be privy to a concept way before their time, right?

00:25:51.860 Way before they were matured enough to really understand this thing.

00:25:55.160 Because knowledge without the experiential wisdom that comes with learning the thing

00:26:01.720 through a process is damaging.

00:26:04.240 And I wonder, like we were saying in the last conversation,

00:26:08.940 where things are going to go when the world suddenly has the veil pulled back

00:26:13.940 and is exposed to all these things, right?

00:26:16.040 If they're going to do disclosure, how easily can you be sold a narrative like the Pleiadians?

00:26:21.040 The Pleiadians are the benign space homies and the grays are the bad guys. 1.00

00:26:24.900 And it's like, you know, without experience, without being receptive to the truth for a long period of time

00:26:32.680 and allowing the Holy Spirit to kind of work on you and reveal things to you

00:26:35.420 and go through the process of being wrong so that you can be right again

00:26:40.040 and, you know, be in a place of confidence for a while.

00:26:43.340 And then what happens is eventually through enough information,

00:26:46.580 you're proving that some aspect of what you thought was real is no longer real.

00:26:50.620 That's a long process, man.

00:26:51.980 And it's the journey to truth is to be incorrect a lot on the way there.

00:26:59.360 And I don't know what that does to people when all of a sudden you get a freshly baked narrative

00:27:06.460 and it's wheeled out to you, whether it's disclosure or otherwise.

00:27:10.000 But this has been going on.

00:27:11.400 Like that's the Skatosaurus Rex thing about this whole thing is like,

00:27:14.540 from the time I started going to church, even like 20 years ago,

00:27:18.420 I heard of pastors like getting their sermons off the Internet.

00:27:20.920 And all of a sudden, all the qualification was to be a pastor in the Church of the Living God

00:27:26.460 was that you could give a good speech, like that you could be a good public speaker.

00:27:30.300 And all of a sudden it just became like this politician vibe thing

00:27:33.360 where a dude is like talking from some points he got at cemetery school.

00:27:37.720 He's just he's just typed out some kind of like plot.

00:27:40.560 He's just typed out some kind of speech.

00:27:42.220 And as long as he can do that on Sunday, like everybody's good.

00:27:44.960 And there's just so many times like you hear a dude talking

00:27:47.580 and he's not necessarily having wrong doctrine or anything you're disagreeing with,

00:27:51.660 but you're just listening to this dude speak and maybe he's saying right things.

00:27:55.040 Yeah, you're saying like this dude doesn't know the Lord.

00:27:57.160 Like I don't know how to explain it, but like this dude doesn't know the Lord.

00:28:00.560 And then there's other people, they're not they don't have flawless doctrine.

00:28:03.080 They don't sound super smart or whatever.

00:28:04.680 But like you could just tell they know the Lord, you know, you know what I'm saying?

00:28:08.560 And so like that is just going to go on steroids now because anybody, yeah,

00:28:12.760 could get the AI and the grok.

00:28:14.400 And you'll know them by their fruits.

00:28:15.980 Yeah.

00:28:16.060 And there's a thing there's power when like just like the chemistry of four of us

00:28:20.560 hanging in person, our biofields, our energetics together as believers.

00:28:27.620 I mean, that's an uplifting thing.

00:28:29.520 And I think the modus operandi of the technocrats is to make every man and woman an island unto

00:28:37.100 themselves, make data king instead of turning data into wisdom, instead of experiencing the

00:28:44.140 data and using the data to drive towards experience and then wise experience and then therefore be

00:28:52.340 an elder in the clan at some point or be a pastor at some point where you can actually

00:28:57.400 speak from experience.

00:28:58.760 Right.

00:28:59.400 Yeah.

00:28:59.720 And to be isolated in that a man, every man, an island unto his own is to potentially exist

00:29:05.580 in some sort of an echo chamber to it.

00:29:07.600 It's, you know, so it's not only are you isolated and you're not able to put any of

00:29:12.780 this wisdom or this, this, this information into practice, but it's more application.

00:29:17.900 It's also like there's no way to check it.

00:29:20.520 There's no way to test it up against something.

00:29:22.140 That echo chamber that you, you talk about, like I, I've written about how AI is autistic 0.69

00:29:27.040 intelligence because it's recursive.

00:29:30.080 And whenever you see a recursive system, it repeats.

00:29:33.060 And so it'd be like, you're literally in a hall of mirrors.

00:29:36.040 So in the programming of it with the Eliza effect, it has you, it will always repeat to you, your

00:29:41.660 question.

00:29:42.460 Right.

00:29:42.800 And make you sound like, oh, you're so intelligent for asking that.

00:29:45.920 Dude, it does that.

00:29:47.260 And yeah.

00:29:47.780 And then it's recursive.

00:29:49.060 What it will keep doing is it will keep referencing the first point that you brought to it.

00:29:53.760 And that's a salesman tactic.

00:29:55.060 Oh, it's that's the sandwich technique.

00:29:57.480 Is that to sort of reaffirm your own confidence in exactly.

00:30:01.720 It's they've, they figured out in the sixties and seventies that essentially when you, when

00:30:06.820 you use the Eliza effect, when you compliment somebody on their question, any, you could

00:30:12.040 have like the robot talking like this, and you're going to associate that with a human

00:30:17.400 behavior.

00:30:17.920 It goes straight from the book, uh, how to win friends and influence people.

00:30:22.700 Yeah.

00:30:23.040 It's like, oh, compliment them on their question.

00:30:25.700 Dude, we have somebody, I'm not going to say it, but we've had somebody on this show who

00:30:29.360 does that to me.

00:30:30.260 And like, I can feel this attempt to like stroke my ego and thank God. 0.99

00:30:34.540 I am always grounded in the idea that I am fundamentally an idiot because as you're saying 0.97

00:30:38.820 this to me, it's like, I'll say something. 0.99

00:30:40.080 And this dude will be like, excellent question.

00:30:42.700 Raven, Raven, you are so smart.

00:30:44.180 You are ahead of it.

00:30:44.920 And I'm like, I only do that once in a while.

00:30:48.060 Can we get back to Vicky?

00:30:49.380 I just want to hear her say cool stuff.

00:30:50.760 Okay.

00:30:51.100 She's saying like the coolest stuff.

00:30:52.480 I want to ask Vicky, um, a particular question.

00:30:54.960 I want to drag this conversation to, uh, something that I hope to talk about Vicky, which is the

00:30:59.660 reality of the spiritual realm.

00:31:01.080 And you said it before, it's like the supernatural, whatever language you want to use.

00:31:04.700 So we recently got into a bit of a, I don't want to, I don't want to rehash that.

00:31:09.820 It's like, we, I feel like we're doing this every time.

00:31:11.300 She knows.

00:31:11.720 Well, it doesn't, what I want to get to is Vicky, do you want to know?

00:31:15.680 Albarino.

00:31:16.320 Goodness.

00:31:16.900 Gosh, she doesn't want to, she doesn't care about this. 0.99

00:31:18.560 You don't want to Albarino.

00:31:19.700 I've heard things.

00:31:21.300 I've heard things.

00:31:22.600 We got into this, this conversation.

00:31:23.820 Oh, you got the text messages too?

00:31:25.200 The screenshots messages not to, uh, not to communicate with us anymore.

00:31:30.580 So, um, the, some of the contention on that episode was, uh, the existence, the fundamental

00:31:37.240 existence of a spiritual realm.

00:31:39.180 And I found that we, we really got lost in maybe the language and definitions, which is

00:31:44.920 a little unfortunate because we're dealing with something that is difficult to define

00:31:48.560 because of its inability to be, uh, you know, uh, is, is if intangible is the word is tangled.

00:31:56.300 Tangentable.

00:31:56.780 I don't know, man.

00:31:57.480 It doesn't matter.

00:31:58.100 Um, you're actually somebody who has firsthand experience and, and, uh, you as well, Topher,

00:32:03.360 I'd like to get into some of your, uh, experiences on this episode as well.

00:32:06.880 Um, and I think this is where the importance of definitions falls away a little bit because

00:32:11.560 when you have an experience that seems to take place, it may be a realm that is not strictly

00:32:18.060 the physical realm.

00:32:19.520 Um, you cross that threshold and whatever you want to call it becomes really unimportant

00:32:24.840 because the fact of the matter is there is another aspect to this reality that is as

00:32:30.280 real, but it's just different than, than what we are comfortable with in our everyday

00:32:35.140 comings and goings.

00:32:35.980 Um, I was hoping you could talk about that a little bit, just this, this reality of the

00:32:39.480 spiritual realm.

00:32:40.620 Yeah, absolutely.

00:32:41.640 I really liked the way you prefaced that because there is a deflection mode that, um, antagonists

00:32:51.960 like to use.

00:32:53.280 So when you're trying to talk about a reality, they want to completely sort of avoid the topic

00:33:00.960 altogether and then just wrestle semantics with you.

00:33:03.760 Is it supernatural or preacher natural?

00:33:06.780 Oh, is it a, if it, then it's just a miracle.

00:33:08.760 Well, no, a miracle isn't supernatural.

00:33:10.740 And I look, uh, here's the thing with, with language, even right now, if, if I was to talk

00:33:18.720 to someone 100% equal in my communication, meaning we're both females, we were both born in the

00:33:25.140 same year.

00:33:25.700 We both know all the same slang.

00:33:27.600 We went to the same college, the same school.

00:33:29.640 We're at the same IQ.

00:33:30.780 We have every single thing lined up to perfection, which would be the ideal communication back

00:33:38.680 and forth.

00:33:39.580 Guess what?

00:33:40.480 We would still miscommunicate.

00:33:42.320 We would still misunderstand each other.

00:33:44.480 We would still fail to envision exactly what that other person was explaining.

00:33:48.860 You're talking about a place I've never been to.

00:33:51.440 You're talking about music I've never heard or something I've never tasted.

00:33:55.360 Language is extremely limiting.

00:34:00.920 So then when you add to the, the foibles of communication, all of the things that aren't

00:34:07.920 perfect, now you're talking to people of different generations and, uh, words have

00:34:13.280 etymologically morphed.

00:34:14.780 They've changed, um, meaning they've flipped into their opposites and mean the exact opposite.

00:34:20.180 You know, bad is good and fat is cool and all this stuff.

00:34:24.400 Uh, and then you have got.

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00:35:15.600 Um, every once in a while I geek out and on YouTube and I listened to all these old videos

00:35:20.240 where people are speaking like Anglo-Saxon or like the origins of the English language.

00:35:23.940 And if you go back to like the year 800, an American born English only speaker, you're

00:35:30.460 not going to understand hardly one word that's being spoken in the English language.

00:35:35.840 Um, and maybe about the time you get to the 1400s, you can start to piece certain words

00:35:41.640 out.

00:35:42.480 Uh, but you go back thousands of years, you go into a completely different culture.

00:35:48.340 You go into a completely different language.

00:35:51.340 You, uh, the way that language changes, uh, the way that different people use it.

00:35:56.000 In fact, if you're going to do a word study in scripture, I see people make this mistake

00:36:00.300 all the time.

00:36:00.840 People have a word and they're like, I'm going to do a word study on grace. 0.94

00:36:04.280 And so they take every single time the word grace is used from Genesis through Revelation.

00:36:09.920 Well, first of all, you can't do that because the Hebrew is not always an equal cognate to

00:36:14.960 the Greek.

00:36:15.820 So you have to limit it to, I'm only going to look it up in the old Testament, or I'm only

00:36:20.540 going to look it up in the new Testament.

00:36:22.420 Then even like in the new Testament, you've got all of these differences of, of how do you

00:36:28.020 use a word?

00:36:28.800 Like when Paul talks about the law and works, when, when Paul talks about works, he's using

00:36:36.120 it differently than when James uses that word, that Greek word for works, because it looks

00:36:40.120 in English, like those two are, are having a sword fight.

00:36:43.080 Um, and so you can't, even when you do a word study, just pull everything from the new Testament.

00:36:47.840 You actually have to pull every time that author use that word in that language, because

00:36:54.960 that author will consistently use it the same way.

00:36:58.300 Um, and so it gets into all sorts of interesting, uh, rabbit holes when you start doing that.

00:37:03.740 And in fact, you will start to see modern evangelical Christianity break down quite significantly

00:37:10.180 when you find out that people aren't doing their word studies that way.

00:37:14.620 And that's just the people that bother going back into the Greek.

00:37:17.360 You know, if, if all you're doing is reading your English, you know, and, and if all you got

00:37:21.720 as the message of the NIV, God forbid, you're never going to figure it out.

00:37:24.460 And so, um, I really liked that you said that and sorry to belabor that point, Raven, but

00:37:29.760 it's like, um, if someone is going to bring up one of your sacred cows, okay.

00:37:38.280 And you are immediately going to just deflect by nitpicking a word choice.

00:37:44.340 And now you're just arguing linguistics.

00:37:47.340 Come on, you grow a pair.

00:37:49.680 You, the, a question was presented to you.

00:37:52.880 Some of these things are hard.

00:37:54.420 You know what?

00:37:54.780 I don't understand guys.

00:37:56.520 Why the biggest, hugest deal in the world is if we as Christians, even if we've been

00:38:03.020 Christians our entire lives and raised in Christian homes like me, if the worst case

00:38:07.400 scenario is you're wrong, who cares, who cares?

00:38:14.140 And, and what I have found in my life is if, as I've gotten older and I've gotten better

00:38:19.440 about keeping my mouth shut and, and not having to be right about everything, if you actually

00:38:24.240 hear someone out, even if it's disturbing to you, you have cognitive dissonance, it's distressing.

00:38:31.400 I always ask my, my, I always ask myself the question, why is this frightening to me?

00:38:37.220 Like, why does it have to be this way?

00:38:39.640 Why am I white knuckling it?

00:38:41.100 And then I have to get to the very bottom of the fear of like, why my life or my religion

00:38:47.360 or my God would be completely, how, how would God and Jesus and the gospel cease to exist

00:38:54.880 if I made this adjustment?

00:38:58.040 And, and when I, when I, when I, I'm not going to be right.

00:39:01.380 I do look some of those demons in the eyes and I've come to some radical changes in what

00:39:09.400 I believe from what I believed as a kid or what I believed in Bible college.

00:39:12.700 And it came through having the guts to admit I was afraid of this because it's like shifting

00:39:20.840 sand.

00:39:21.440 If you went, the longer we stand somewhere and it gets cemented underneath us, we feel firm,

00:39:25.800 we feel safe.

00:39:26.340 And when all of a sudden we realized the cement beneath us has melted.

00:39:30.300 It's kind of like, you know, when you take those first few steps into the ocean and the

00:39:33.440 sand shifts and you're like, whoa, it's disorienting.

00:39:36.320 And, and, and so, um, I think that in my own experience, those things that I've been able

00:39:45.220 to really roll up my sleeves and dig deep into the Hebrew or the Greek or the culture or the

00:39:49.920 history.

00:39:50.220 And I find out that this person was right.

00:39:52.480 And I was wrong.

00:39:53.820 I have never had an experience like that in my life, even if it has been a very difficult

00:39:59.360 sort of existential crisis, which I've had many in the last 10 years, even if the process

00:40:06.200 is frightening, I have never had an experience where I come out on the other side, having radically

00:40:10.940 shifted in my opinion, where the exchange for what I used to believe is the more precious

00:40:18.860 or the more whole doctrine.

00:40:21.400 Like whenever I am willing to go to war with something and I come out on the other side,

00:40:25.500 having radically shifted in my opinion, there's always an, a deeper understanding of the gospel,

00:40:31.840 a, a more full, whole picture of who Christ is, what his love was, what the cross really

00:40:39.060 was, what mercy is, what death and damnation and judgment and resurrection.

00:40:43.440 Like I've never exchanged a, a 1970s church tradition that I learned in seven in Sunday

00:40:49.500 school for something lesser.

00:40:51.800 Uh, God has never, God has never wrestled something precious out of my hands and given me something

00:40:57.640 crappier.

00:40:58.360 Whenever I'm willing, whenever I'm willing to hold my doctrines like this, instead of

00:41:03.900 this, whenever I'm willing to do this, sometimes he takes it and it hurts.

00:41:07.740 Cause I thought it was beautiful.

00:41:09.280 He never replaces it with something disappointing.

00:41:13.860 What is that though, Vicki?

00:41:15.520 Like what, like, what is that, that people, they, they love, like I talked to a dude before

00:41:19.580 and he said he has, he has all his doctrine.

00:41:23.180 He has all his doctrine that he already believes.

00:41:25.600 He has all his theology.

00:41:26.640 And I said, well, like, bro, cause like I go in the Bible every morning and I'm in expectation

00:41:31.440 to find something new.

00:41:32.660 If that includes changing a thought that I had about something else, I'm in expectation

00:41:37.120 that I'm like treasure hunting.

00:41:38.260 That's like why I'm hungry to read the Bible.

00:41:40.420 And I was like, bro, like, so why do you read the Bible then?

00:41:43.260 If you've already got all your doctrine set and he's like, just to reinforce my doctrine.

00:41:47.320 And I'm just like, well, I don't even know what that is, bro.

00:41:50.220 Like you're, you're saying, you're talking to me in Chinese.

00:41:52.120 I don't even understand.

00:41:53.340 Like, is it just the same as like Republicans and Democrats, but it's in the church.

00:41:57.560 It's like, once you have all these things that you just, that's what your party believes.

00:42:01.720 You just can't let go of it.

00:42:03.340 Or like, what is that?

00:42:04.560 It's idleship.

00:42:06.040 Ooh.

00:42:06.880 It's idleship.

00:42:08.200 Safety too.

00:42:09.320 I mean, you can go to all the negatives.

00:42:10.920 It's like, it's pride and it's fear.

00:42:12.560 Like, sure.

00:42:14.040 I think until, like to use a metaphor, until we view studying the word of God, like parasailing,

00:42:27.180 we're not ever going to get the full joy and excitement out of it.

00:42:31.260 Like there's fear in jumping off of the side of a mountain.

00:42:36.940 There's risk.

00:42:37.860 You really could knock into something and hurt yourself.

00:42:39.980 You know, there's risk.

00:42:40.920 You never know when you do that, if you're going to bleed a little bit, but the exhilaration

00:42:46.880 of having no ground under your feet and flying through the air, like it's the exhilaration

00:42:52.320 of it.

00:42:52.680 And if, if studying the word of God, isn't this perfect dance between fear and exhilaration,

00:43:02.880 you're just reading a boring old book.

00:43:04.740 No wonder half the people think the book, the Bible's boring.

00:43:07.180 They don't know how to jump off the cliff with it.

00:43:09.060 You know, I think one of the big issues with struggling over definitions as well, like I

00:43:16.100 said earlier, it's, it's very convenient to do that when you're not faced with the immediate

00:43:20.800 reality of it.

00:43:21.600 But people who have been through a thing and are facing and entangling with the reality

00:43:26.460 of the spiritual, the supernatural, um, are their frame is, is, um, adjusted and certainly what's

00:43:35.060 important is dealing with it instead of defining it.

00:43:38.260 Right.

00:43:38.500 And so what's not lost on me is that if you're caught up in definitions and the minutia and

00:43:45.160 all this, all this language, you're not in a position where you can war against it.

00:43:50.500 Right.

00:43:50.920 So, so, you know, in other words, you can put it in simple terms, like a bear.

00:43:55.100 It's like, if I don't know the name of this thing, but it's coming for me, um, and I have

00:43:59.860 to prepare myself and I have to figure out how to deal with it, what its nature is.

00:44:04.000 I would say that's more important.

00:44:06.040 It's nature.

00:44:07.020 What is its nature?

00:44:08.240 What does it intend to do with me?

00:44:09.720 What are its intentions, you know, for me and how do I navigate this?

00:44:13.640 And if I'm worried as it's approaching me about like what to call this thing, that's

00:44:18.680 a complete waste of resources and effort and energy and, and, and concentration and focus

00:44:23.100 and all of these things.

00:44:23.920 And, and if the goal is to ground people, like let's say ground people in the gospel,

00:44:30.060 right.

00:44:30.800 And, and part of the biblical worldview is coming to the understanding that you are, you're in

00:44:37.040 a supernatural world, that the spiritual realm is very real despite, you know, whatever

00:44:42.460 we, maybe we don't have great language.

00:44:44.080 Like you talked about Vicky to define this thing, um, in order to operate within it, in

00:44:50.300 order to live in such a way as, uh, as to know that your actions and your words and your

00:44:57.160 will here in the physical realm have real spiritual implications, getting, getting hunkered

00:45:02.960 down in like, what is this thing called and how do we define it is it's not just a waste

00:45:08.140 of time. 0.97

00:45:08.560 It's a fool's errand. 0.98

00:45:09.500 And it's a, it's a dangerous distraction actually, because it's not going to wait for 0.99

00:45:15.300 you to define it.

00:45:16.200 Spiritual warfare is not going to wait for you to define it.

00:45:18.080 The spiritual realm is not going to wait to engage with you until you can accurately

00:45:22.360 define it.

00:45:22.960 We have a dude here that has engaged with the spiritual realm.

00:45:25.500 I actually kind of, I don't know if it's a good point to, I would love to talk a little

00:45:28.940 bit about that.

00:45:29.620 Yeah.

00:45:29.940 Um, uh, Topher, you've had this, uh, near death experience.

00:45:33.560 Yes.

00:45:34.100 And, um, would you mind sharing that with us?

00:45:36.440 I don't think we've heard this before.

00:45:37.380 Sure.

00:45:38.200 Um, I was a little, I was a little boy.

00:45:40.140 I was four years old and I had gut dysbiosis, but back then they didn't call it gut dysbiosis.

00:45:47.000 They thought it was just food allergies.

00:45:48.720 Okay.

00:45:49.280 But it got to a point where I had leaky gut so bad that I became allergic to everything

00:45:53.120 I ate.

00:45:53.720 And so when I was in the ICU, my vitals crashed and I ended up choking out.

00:46:00.360 I ended up, you know, four.

00:46:01.580 How old were you?

00:46:02.180 Four.

00:46:02.540 Four.

00:46:03.540 And then when I, when I died, I was on the other side.

00:46:07.300 And because I was so sick as a little kid, when I was in that realm realm, what do you

00:46:13.200 mean by that?

00:46:14.520 I'm just like, I'm just like, here and there.

00:46:16.820 It was like one, the one thing, cause I tell people ask me this all the time.

00:46:21.480 I was four years old in that realm.

00:46:23.800 That's interesting.

00:46:24.500 Like people like, Oh, you're an old soul.

00:46:26.380 I was like, I have no idea.

00:46:27.620 I just know when I was on that side, I was the same age, but I was in this like pure,

00:46:34.020 like, like Vicki said, it's very hard to describe it in words, but like, I felt zero pain.

00:46:39.680 I actually, for the first time ever, my existence as a, as a body when I was little, was in a

00:46:46.580 lot of pain because of all the sickness I had.

00:46:48.820 And so this is a, I was in this like euphoria of love and feeling just like fully embraced

00:46:57.020 by like this incredible love and compassion.

00:47:02.360 And I'm, I'm there.

00:47:04.400 And then I hear this voice and it's a voice that's familiar, but I didn't know the person.

00:47:11.280 And the voice is like, it's not your time yet.

00:47:14.440 And then I was like, I was blissing out.

00:47:18.180 I didn't care.

00:47:19.220 And then the voice is like, Christopher, it's, it's not your time.

00:47:23.780 And, and then I got a little bit petulant.

00:47:26.020 And I was like, no, I'm, I'm going to stay.

00:47:29.460 And she's, then she said, no, no, Christopher, it's your time.

00:47:32.980 You have to go back.

00:47:34.580 And then as soon as she said that I could hear my mom crying.

00:47:39.040 And then as soon as I heard my mom crying, I like dropped, like, it was like a literal

00:47:43.680 drop out of that, out of that state of being.

00:47:46.780 Did you feel like an entry back into your body?

00:47:49.740 I like opened my eyes and my mother and my dad were over because I was in the hospital

00:47:55.020 and I could hear like the, the thing beeping in the corner and the doctor was there.

00:48:00.040 And there was this other being there that as a little kid, I just thought it was somebody

00:48:04.340 that was working there.

00:48:05.520 Right.

00:48:06.800 And then, yeah.

00:48:09.340 In hearing my mother cry, I, the second I felt sadness, I was pulled out of the, like

00:48:15.420 that euphoria love that I was in.

00:48:18.560 And I dropped back into this realm.

00:48:20.460 When, when you were there, do you remember any, any other sensations?

00:48:24.320 I mean, like the feeling of love, but what about your other senses, sight or smell?

00:48:28.040 What I could see was really kind of cool.

00:48:30.600 Like, you know, Florida sunsets, especially if you're in the Keys and you see like the

00:48:35.440 coral colors, the coral, the purple, you know, the peach colors, like all that was, and I

00:48:41.900 could see beings, but they weren't like defined.

00:48:44.840 They weren't like, like defined, like, you know, looking at us right here, but I, I could

00:48:49.880 sense them more than I could see them.

00:48:52.140 And they did look angelic.

00:48:53.820 Like, they look like, you know, the prototypical, like very ethereal, and I could feel them as

00:49:00.660 like sentient beings.

00:49:02.360 None of them spoke to me.

00:49:03.720 They were actually arranged like a choir would be arranged.

00:49:06.680 And then I could see the colors behind them.

00:49:09.460 And I was just like, I, it was, it was like my little mind after I came back and was getting

00:49:15.800 healthy, I always just associated that with heaven.

00:49:18.060 Cause it felt so, I felt at home.

00:49:21.800 First of all, I felt home.

00:49:23.460 I felt like, Oh, right.

00:49:25.860 And there was no fear.

00:49:27.860 I felt zero fear.

00:49:29.680 And I've heard people say that children have a different, like if children die, like all

00:49:35.020 children go to heaven, that type of thing.

00:49:36.820 They probably go through.

00:49:37.940 I believe that's dogs.

00:49:41.540 They probably go through a different state or whatever, however that works.

00:49:45.940 I don't know.

00:49:46.680 Um, that, that feeling like was just so incredible.

00:49:50.780 Like, and I've never ever had the doubt of God ever just because of that love was so like,

00:49:57.880 it was so saturating.

00:49:59.420 It was like, so all encompassing that there was never like, like all the different experiences

00:50:07.960 I've had since then where I was close to death or whatever, none of them ever fazed me.

00:50:11.900 I was like, if that's what I have waiting for me.

00:50:14.220 Yeah.

00:50:14.900 Seems like a relief.

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00:51:01.780 I mean, Vicky, thoughts?

00:51:04.260 Yeah.

00:51:05.000 So Topher, I'm interested in, did that have a direct or immediate impact on your being healed

00:51:12.740 from the leaky gut?

00:51:13.980 Yeah.

00:51:14.380 I came directly back from that.

00:51:16.880 For one year, I had to eat nothing but apricots because of my gut.

00:51:21.440 Interesting.

00:51:21.880 So they put me on a monofruit diet.

00:51:24.000 All my vitals came back.

00:51:25.440 I couldn't mix.

00:51:26.340 Oddly enough, I went on like a real, like the only thing my body could handle.

00:51:31.120 I couldn't mix enzymes and foods.

00:51:33.360 So I could never eat dairy and eat meat at the same time.

00:51:37.180 I couldn't eat anything, anything with any synthetic colorings.

00:51:41.780 My body was hyper allergenic to all of that.

00:51:45.080 And I was like a test, test tube baby.

00:51:47.560 They would give me 60 shots every six months on each shoulder.

00:51:51.820 And I was a pin cushion.

00:51:53.220 So they were, who knows what was in all those shots.

00:51:55.560 I mean, back then, that's the way they did so-called allergy shots.

00:51:58.900 Yeah.

00:51:59.200 I got that when I was a kid.

00:52:00.240 They did it to my back.

00:52:01.220 A whole grid of them.

00:52:02.100 Yeah.

00:52:02.240 And so, yeah, but I, I recovered in what was cool.

00:52:06.860 I think, I think my body's passing was actually there for my parents.

00:52:12.500 Cause my parents were fighting a lot.

00:52:14.280 They weren't like, they weren't jiving.

00:52:16.680 Right.

00:52:17.300 And then that kind of like brought them like some joy for a little bit.

00:52:22.760 Me coming back.

00:52:23.840 Kind of frames things, puts it in perspective.

00:52:25.440 Yeah.

00:52:25.780 What's important.

00:52:26.380 They stayed together for like another five years and then it was over.

00:52:29.060 But like that whole thing, I think whatever my path was as a little one was like, I was

00:52:35.480 like sort of this vector for my sensitivity to their dis, like their dis-ease, their, their

00:52:46.660 problems cause, cause it to be like a wonderful mirror for them, you know, cause I've seen

00:52:54.460 that happen too.

00:52:55.680 Like in my consciousness, I've seen different people be like the mirror. 0.83

00:52:59.060 For the other ones in their life.

00:53:02.620 So yeah, that was that.

00:53:04.100 That was, and I've never like, since in the other people that I know that I've had near

00:53:07.980 death experiences, they, we all kind of share like a little, like, like intuitive knowing

00:53:14.400 of the other.

00:53:15.740 Oh, that's interesting.

00:53:16.920 Yeah.

00:53:17.080 Cause there's like no fear.

00:53:18.660 What's the nature of that knowing?

00:53:20.280 Like what might you, it's just like, you know it before you talk to them or once they

00:53:23.280 start talking, then you, it's just like, kind of like, you know, when you're, you have

00:53:26.500 your best friend around, like you just kind of like, you can finish their sentence.

00:53:30.160 Yeah.

00:53:30.500 Top and Raven do that to me a lot.

00:53:33.440 It's not, it's not that you have like any, like, I don't have any psychic thing with

00:53:37.360 them.

00:53:37.680 It's just more like I intuitively know where they're going or how they see something.

00:53:43.060 That's interesting.

00:53:44.100 Yeah.

00:53:44.340 And I've had two really close friends for over 25 years that both of them had their

00:53:49.420 near death experiences in high school.

00:53:51.800 And like, as soon as we met, we were all like, oh, like, yes, you've been there.

00:53:57.820 Yeah.

00:53:58.060 And that kind of thing.

00:53:58.700 And all of us have the same thing.

00:54:00.360 It's just like, God is real and alive and there's like nothing to be scared of.

00:54:06.360 Yeah.

00:54:07.140 That's huge.

00:54:07.800 Cause I mean, you know, I don't know if we were talking about this in the previous show

00:54:11.100 too, but this, this concept of, um, do not fear, don't be discouraged for, you know, the

00:54:17.940 Lord is with you always.

00:54:19.060 Right.

00:54:19.700 Um, that fear, it's interesting that when you heard and you, and you experienced sadness

00:54:26.100 is when you left that place.

00:54:28.060 Yeah.

00:54:28.400 I just wonder about like sadness is kind of fear adjacent, right?

00:54:34.120 There are certain emotions that are, if fear is a tree, that its branches might be anxiety,

00:54:40.700 depression, anger, sadness, even years old.

00:54:44.500 Like I was not an advanced four-year-old.

00:54:46.300 No, no, no.

00:54:46.620 I'm not saying that I'm just saying sadness is kind of fear adjacent, right?

00:54:52.220 Because sadness in some ways is the anticipation of the impact of a thing.

00:55:00.260 Like you're thinking about a thing that has happened, the sadness of your mother, the tears

00:55:04.040 of your mother, and like what this means.

00:55:06.220 I just wonder if there's room for that sort of a thing.

00:55:10.100 Like let's say in heaven, right?

00:55:11.660 Which even, even that gets a little bit wonky because there's a second heaven and third heaven

00:55:15.000 and, you know, all these different spiritual realms.

00:55:17.640 Um, but it doesn't seem like fear has a place in those realms.

00:55:22.940 It doesn't feel like anger or hatred, or maybe even sadness has a place in those, in those

00:55:28.880 realms.

00:55:29.420 And so it's, it's just fascinating to me that you should have felt that sadness.

00:55:33.240 And that was the, the last thing before you came out of there.

00:55:36.700 And, um, well, I mean, the, my guardian angel was very emphatic that it wasn't my time.

00:55:43.840 So I don't know how that all works.

00:55:45.840 I don't know how I just, she was just like, it's not your time.

00:55:50.740 I'm like, are you, are you familiar with, um, I mean, I have to imagine you're familiar

00:55:55.420 with stories like these, Vicki?

00:55:57.140 Yeah.

00:55:57.620 Yeah.

00:55:57.820 Actually, um, this is another topic where a lot of Christians get the cognitive dissonance

00:56:03.820 because it's not talked about in the church, you know, and it's not believed in the church

00:56:08.860 and whatnot.

00:56:09.660 If anyone's interested on a comprehensive study with a lot of interviews and case studies

00:56:15.080 involved, Sean Tabbitt actually wrote a book on near-death experiences.

00:56:18.340 I think, I can't remember the exact title of the book.

00:56:21.300 NDE obviously is in, in the title.

00:56:23.780 It was put out by Destiny Image Publishing, but yeah, Sean Tabbitt has, has written an entire

00:56:28.460 book about it.

00:56:29.120 And so, yeah, I'm absolutely familiar with it.

00:56:31.880 And, you know, it's interesting.

00:56:34.020 The.

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00:57:05.700 The juxtaposition of, you know, you've got near-death experiences where people experience

00:57:09.820 heaven or some sort of paradise or some sort of love.

00:57:13.620 And it's interesting what you said, too, Topher, because I'm thinking of the verse, there is

00:57:18.100 no fear in love.

00:57:19.720 So if you're in the presence of Christ, it would be impossible for you to feel fear.

00:57:24.500 It would be so over and, you know, it would knock that out.

00:57:28.760 It wouldn't be possible.

00:57:30.420 But then it gets confusing because there are people that have ayahuasca trips and stuff

00:57:35.660 where they're talking to ascended masters and they will come back saying, I felt nothing

00:57:39.120 but love and light.

00:57:40.120 And how do you make sense of that?

00:57:42.420 Like that, that to me is...

00:57:43.920 I can speak on that.

00:57:45.420 For 10 years, I was in the ayahuasca circle.

00:57:49.360 Okay, please do.

00:57:50.440 What is the difference there?

00:57:51.740 Yeah, like when I lived in Costa Rica, I was like in medicine circles.

00:57:56.920 I lived in an area where there were tons of ayahuasca retreats and my business had me

00:58:02.760 intertwined with all that.

00:58:04.700 And I have to say, it was nothing like the shamanic journeys, the medicine journeys and

00:58:11.260 things like that.

00:58:12.000 None of them ever even came close to the presence of God that I felt as a four-year-old.

00:58:18.440 And then also when I, when I was saved, when I, when that experience...

00:58:22.500 Did you feel like you got in another realm from the ayahuasca though?

00:58:25.380 Yeah, but it's much more of like, it's much more of an astral realm.

00:58:28.680 It's a lower, it's a lower realm.

00:58:31.240 So Topher...

00:58:32.020 The astral realms are lower.

00:58:34.720 So Topher, these people that talk about the beings of love and light, and we know Satan

00:58:41.780 can parade as an angel of light.

00:58:43.460 But though, interestingly, the stories that I've read about people who've done ayahuasca,

00:58:49.060 they do talk about how they have to kind of go through a death before they, they get

00:58:54.940 the good stuff.

00:58:56.160 The little death, yeah.

00:58:57.160 So what, what is that then?

00:58:59.060 Are, are they just like tripping our dopamine and giving us like a, like a response because

00:59:04.540 we don't have anything to compare it to?

00:59:07.060 We, it's like smoke and mirrors or how are...

00:59:10.120 A cheap imitation maybe?

00:59:10.740 Like...

00:59:11.060 Yeah, it is a cheap imitation because like the DMT that, you know, there's books written

00:59:15.360 on it.

00:59:15.800 One's called like the...

00:59:17.080 Spirit molecule.

00:59:17.920 The spirit molecule or the God molecule or whatever.

00:59:20.660 It isn't the same experience like at all for me.

00:59:24.160 And when I say I did it a few times, I did it like 50 times.

00:59:28.020 Whoa.

00:59:28.460 It wasn't like...

00:59:29.520 Well, technically a few is three or more.

00:59:31.220 So in that, what was interesting for me was a really good friend of mine, a friend that

00:59:39.500 had had the near death experience himself.

00:59:42.600 He was somebody that was also in that realm.

00:59:45.380 And he and I both knew we both had done so much work on ourselves before that ever came

00:59:50.780 into our consciousness that we constantly saw the folly of people that were going in

00:59:56.560 and doing, you know, quote unquote medicine work because they hadn't...

01:00:01.920 They were like, you brought it up earlier.

01:00:03.800 It's a terrible thing to like get knowledge or get anything without earning it.

01:00:09.420 And you never know how earnest a person is in their spiritual practice for real.

01:00:15.720 Like maybe the closest people in your life, but you have so many people that talk a good

01:00:19.660 game.

01:00:20.340 It's fashionable, right?

01:00:21.340 Yeah.

01:00:21.500 It became fashionable to go there and do ayahuasca.

01:00:23.900 Yeah, but like we were exposed to it in like 07, like before it became like a real fashionable

01:00:28.980 thing.

01:00:29.420 It was like one of these things where you cannot skip the work.

01:00:35.860 You know, I don't think God gives you like little cheat codes and it's like here, just

01:00:40.700 because you have the extra money to go to a Peruvian shaman or whatever, you're now in

01:00:45.900 like Flynn.

01:00:46.900 There aren't any cheat codes.

01:00:48.900 Yeah.

01:00:49.040 God puts us through a sort of refining fire.

01:00:51.060 The struggles in our life impart a certain wisdom on us.

01:00:54.880 And I think each person gets this kind of unique bag of tricks.

01:00:58.840 I don't want to call them tricks, but you know what I'm saying?

01:01:00.320 Like your walk is very unique.

01:01:02.980 And yeah, what is everybody if you just have the money to go to Costa Rica, everybody gets

01:01:07.460 the same bag of unlocked wisdom.

01:01:10.120 And even in that, what was great about my situation was I got to see so many different

01:01:14.840 shamans.

01:01:15.760 I got to see ones that were the real deal.

01:01:18.420 I got to see the shysters, I got to see the people who are making their medicine, I got

01:01:22.840 to see the people that weren't making the medicine, I was seeing the people that were

01:01:26.480 cutting the quote unquote medicine.

01:01:28.540 Oh, no.

01:01:29.000 I got to see the Israeli influence in that whole thing.

01:01:31.440 I saw...

01:01:32.980 What?

01:01:33.940 Why is that so funny to you, Matt?

01:01:35.360 Why did you laugh at that?

01:01:36.200 We didn't ask for that.

01:01:37.140 Don't laugh at it.

01:01:37.720 God bless Israel.

01:01:38.520 What are you doing, dude?

01:01:39.260 Stop.

01:01:39.960 Please, stop it.

01:01:40.760 And so in watching all of it and being in the back, because I was the guy that was

01:01:45.300 working on the people that were working on people.

01:01:47.240 Wait, why is there Israel? 0.93

01:01:48.200 I'm sorry.

01:01:49.600 I'm so sorry.

01:01:50.400 I thought this was just a Matt thing.

01:01:52.420 What?

01:01:52.500 Now you're a king?

01:01:53.440 What the...

01:01:54.040 It's fascinating, I guess.

01:01:55.320 No, no, no.

01:01:55.980 I'll back that a little bit.

01:01:57.180 Because Matt's going to want to say, oh, these guys see Israel under every rocket.

01:02:00.380 It's not necessarily true.

01:02:01.380 I did not...

01:02:01.980 Oh, I didn't know that.

01:02:02.780 You have a thing with them?

01:02:04.600 Yeah, is it?

01:02:05.360 He loves them.

01:02:05.880 No, I'm just saying if you took any ethnicity, you could pick them apart and say, oh, the 1.00

01:02:10.980 Italian mafia is...

01:02:11.780 Can you tell us about the Italian influence in Ayahuasca?

01:02:13.420 Tell us about the Italian influence in Ayahuasca, please.

01:02:16.080 Mother Ayahuasca is Italian, right?

01:02:19.140 No, the area that I was in had a lot of Israeli investment.

01:02:24.240 Okay.

01:02:24.460 And the Israeli investment in that area, a bunch of those guys got into distributing and...

01:02:32.140 Was there a lot of rabbis doing...

01:02:33.660 No, no.

01:02:34.020 Are you talking about the government?

01:02:35.060 Is that what you mean?

01:02:35.540 No, I'm talking about Israelis. 1.00

01:02:38.060 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:02:38.540 Jewish people know where to make money. 1.00

01:02:40.700 They're just conducting business, making some jack down there on the Ayahuasca trade.

01:02:44.180 That's all.

01:02:44.460 I get it.

01:02:45.020 Okay.

01:02:45.340 I mean...

01:02:45.740 No, I'm not saying that's good.

01:02:46.880 That's bad, too.

01:02:47.640 I knew some very beautiful families from Israel that had, like, cacao farms and, like, coffee

01:02:53.100 farms.

01:02:53.580 Yeah.

01:02:53.840 All different types of businesses, but there was a very strong contingent because no matter

01:02:59.740 what, the Israelis are excellent at marketing and they're a tribe.

01:03:03.600 Business in general.

01:03:04.100 And so, if one of them starts to serve the Ayahuasca, their whole country is going to

01:03:09.900 find out about it like that.

01:03:12.020 And then there's, like, a place where they can all speak Yiddish to each other and Hebrew.

01:03:16.840 That's got to be scary.

01:03:17.620 Imagine being on Ayahuasca and you accidentally stumble into the Yiddish tent. 1.00

01:03:20.300 Were they partaking in the ritual or just, like...

01:03:23.320 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:03:24.160 Yeah.

01:03:24.580 And what was weird for me...

01:03:26.100 That's fascinating.

01:03:26.220 From a religious aspect or secular.

01:03:28.860 No.

01:03:29.700 No.

01:03:30.260 Like, I wouldn't say.

01:03:32.000 I would never would have directed anybody of my ilk in their direction.

01:03:37.280 Sure.

01:03:38.040 I wouldn't have done that.

01:03:38.580 Because they would spit on them. 0.96

01:03:39.400 For more than one reason.

01:03:41.360 But, you know, I knew too many things with the behind the scenes side of things.

01:03:47.600 It's just like anybody...

01:03:48.760 Like, when you see retreats run for, like, whether it's vegetarianism or veganism or any

01:03:54.120 of the isms, you get to see...

01:03:56.080 Like, I got to see the back of the house operations because I was the one building the buildings

01:03:59.880 for these people.

01:04:00.760 Yeah.

01:04:01.280 And I'd be like, oh, you guys are just running...

01:04:04.220 This is just a bit...

01:04:05.080 Like, we were talking about this with podcasters.

01:04:06.380 That's such a great point, dude.

01:04:06.920 We were just talking about this with podcasters.

01:04:09.260 Yeah.

01:04:09.420 Like, you're like, oh, you can't make an idol out of anybody.

01:04:12.080 Correct.

01:04:12.320 And so, I was looking at this as like, oh, I'm going to get my spiritual guidance from,

01:04:16.900 like, you know...

01:04:17.760 Bro, I had the same thing being a flooring guy doing churches.

01:04:20.980 You know how many churches we put flooring in over the years?

01:04:23.680 Never got the gospel preached to me.

01:04:25.720 Ever.

01:04:26.120 No.

01:04:26.480 Ever.

01:04:26.960 On the job site by the pastor who was there or anybody in the church that was there.

01:04:31.100 That's kind of sad.

01:04:31.880 So, it's kind of like the same thing.

01:04:33.240 It was like a spiritual thing.

01:04:34.580 You're there to do the work.

01:04:36.240 They don't really, like, they're not really preaching to you or...

01:04:39.000 No.

01:04:39.280 I mean, but you see all the behind the scenes.

01:04:41.120 And then I got to see, like, the real behind the scenes because I lived there for 15 years

01:04:45.000 and I had to do business and I got to see whether a person had integrity or not.

01:04:48.900 Yeah.

01:04:49.500 I got to see whether they had integrity with other people within the community.

01:04:53.540 I got to see if they were living their message.

01:04:55.860 I got to see how they would market relative to other things.

01:04:58.800 And it was just like, oh, man, this is a shyst.

01:05:02.160 Yeah.

01:05:02.800 That was my conclusion, too.

01:05:04.500 You know what...

01:05:05.140 Oh, go ahead.

01:05:05.860 Again, your conclusion of the ayahuasca community is that, I guess it is real, but it's just

01:05:11.600 like a grift.

01:05:12.680 Yo, he said a lower realm, too.

01:05:14.580 He said a lower realm, not just in the spirit realm.

01:05:16.700 Yeah, that was the thing.

01:05:18.140 That was the thing I was trying to really communicate with people.

01:05:21.100 And, Vicky, you'll know about this.

01:05:22.260 It's like, what I started to see is, number one, that whole realm that you go to when

01:05:28.300 you're under DMT can be electronically manipulated.

01:05:31.780 Mm-hmm.

01:05:32.340 There would be broadcasts.

01:05:33.740 Like, if you have 30 people that are all under the influence of the same thing, they become

01:05:38.080 an antenna array.

01:05:39.460 Right.

01:05:39.880 That antenna array gives off a frequency that they would vector into.

01:05:43.860 So, just like they do with the Stephen Greer stuff, where they'll...

01:05:47.260 Binaural beats, CE5.

01:05:49.220 Yeah.

01:05:49.500 The CE5, where they'll send, like, lights in the sky and stuff like that.

01:05:53.300 Well, that's kind of what they're doing with the drums, right?

01:05:55.740 It's a frequency-based, rhythmic-based kind of thing to get you into a trance state.

01:05:59.540 It just shows you, like, yeah, the fundamental ways, even the natives knew that one of the

01:06:03.640 fundamental ways to manipulate this experience is through, you know, you call them beats.

01:06:08.540 They're beats, right?

01:06:09.440 I mean, so...

01:06:10.020 Yeah.

01:06:10.280 When you find out that binaural beats is on there.

01:06:11.860 I want to be clear.

01:06:12.560 There are people that are being very authentic with it and aren't doing that.

01:06:16.380 But for the most part, what would occur is, like, they...

01:06:21.360 I...

01:06:22.280 My second and last ceremony I ever did was, literally, I was having UNESCO talking points

01:06:28.900 coming to me.

01:06:29.980 UNESCO?

01:06:30.740 What's that?

01:06:31.080 It's the United Nations...

01:06:32.940 What?

01:06:33.860 No, listen.

01:06:35.000 Like, one of my clients was General Albert Stubblebline, and he was the guy who invented

01:06:39.680 remote viewing, and he was living in Panama.

01:06:43.360 No, I'm not kidding.

01:06:44.240 What is happening right now?

01:06:45.740 I was literally his builder, and I was his attache finding him property, and he was teaching

01:06:50.280 me about Agenda 21 and UNESCO and all this stuff.

01:06:53.260 And then, so I...

01:06:55.580 He, like, was giving me the white papers, like, in 2010 and 2011.

01:07:00.480 And so I would...

01:07:01.680 I was in this ceremony, and literally, I was having people come up to me after the second

01:07:06.760 cup, like...

01:07:08.940 And the alien, the star brotherhood is here saying, we have to save the planet.

01:07:15.200 You're a star seed.

01:07:16.480 And all, like, and everything that they were saying was stuff that I was reading in Agenda

01:07:20.380 2030 as an addendum to Agenda 21.

01:07:24.200 And so I went to the shaman, and I was like...

01:07:26.460 I was so excited.

01:07:27.540 I was like, dude, there's a free...

01:07:29.540 The frequency range that we're in, they're broadcasting into right now.

01:07:33.620 And we're live at Planet Fitness.

01:07:35.580 Here's Natalie Spooner firing up the battle ropes. 1.00

01:07:38.940 That's a hat trick of reps right there.

01:07:40.740 Now over to Emma Malte with the Hack Squad. 1.00

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01:07:45.220 And here comes Emily Clark going for a new PR. 0.98

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01:08:04.060 And then everybody, and then I could actually sense

01:08:08.020 where the broadcast was coming from.

01:08:10.940 Because you can see your visual acuity quadruples in your...

01:08:15.780 No, your auditory acuity quadruples, your visual acuity triples.

01:08:21.960 So you can see a lot more things.

01:08:23.940 You can hear a lot more things.

01:08:26.120 And it was so nuts.

01:08:28.560 I was like, dude, they're broadcasting to us.

01:08:32.380 Everybody's saying the same thing.

01:08:34.100 Everybody's saying the same thing.

01:08:35.400 That's wild.

01:08:36.100 But he was under the same delusion.

01:08:39.160 And then the lights came in the sky and I knew it was all fake.

01:08:42.700 Like, that actually, that kind of sheds a new light on this idea of the alien interaction

01:08:50.620 that we've been looking at this, the phenomenon.

01:08:53.120 I mean, that's...

01:08:54.380 No, I'm totally under the...

01:08:57.980 I'm under the...

01:08:59.940 His name's Spencer from Florida.

01:09:01.280 Oh, okay.

01:09:01.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:09:02.440 Okay, I was like, what's happening?

01:09:04.240 Somebody just stopped by with...

01:09:06.220 I think he said...

01:09:07.060 Spencer from Florida.

01:09:08.040 Okay, all right, cool.

01:09:08.880 So go on.

01:09:09.440 Spencer from Florida is a great, great Instagram site.

01:09:15.080 So I think a lot of the things that, like, we were talking about, you know, in the last

01:09:20.980 episode, so many of the things that we see up in the sky are, like, clandestine operations.

01:09:25.340 Yeah.

01:09:25.640 But so many of the things are also broadcast into us.

01:09:29.260 They've had...

01:09:29.800 Oh, yeah.

01:09:30.200 They've had skull-to-skull transmission since the 60s.

01:09:33.140 Yeah.

01:09:33.760 They've had all these ways of transmitting this stuff.

01:09:36.340 And this is why, like, I really love what you guys are talking about with the fakery

01:09:41.100 of the alien, you know, whatever you call it, alien...

01:09:46.500 Disclosure, narrative, whatever, yeah.

01:09:47.840 Because the tech that the humans have had is actually...

01:09:52.720 It's just mimicking.

01:09:54.200 Like, they're the ones that are feeding all of the storylines and all these science fiction

01:09:58.520 movies.

01:09:58.900 Yeah.

01:09:59.460 And at the same time, they're hiding the tech that actually does that stuff.

01:10:03.240 They're the muses, right?

01:10:04.280 They're inspiring men to engage in these works.

01:10:08.000 You know, okay.

01:10:08.640 Which is why it's like, man, when we come to these, like, solid conclusions on what this

01:10:13.580 phenomenon is...

01:10:14.600 Yeah.

01:10:15.000 ...and we can have all the terms defined...

01:10:17.500 Defined phenomena.

01:10:18.480 Yeah.

01:10:21.920 And say, like, as a matter of fact, like, this is what's happening.

01:10:26.020 And everybody fall in line and trust science.

01:10:29.380 It's just like...

01:10:29.860 Here, I want to kick this to Vicky. 0.94

01:10:31.700 I want to get your thoughts on what Topher just described.

01:10:35.080 And then I have a question for you.

01:10:37.200 But let's just get your thoughts on that.

01:10:39.000 Yeah.

01:10:39.520 I'm loving this.

01:10:40.700 Because you're now getting your chocolate and my peanut butter, Topher, because this...

01:10:46.380 I've been studying the dream hacking, because I'm...

01:10:50.640 So this is, again, where our definitions count.

01:10:55.040 Let's all get on the same page.

01:10:56.140 As long as we continue using one broad term to describe multiple dream states, I'm asleep.

01:11:05.520 I'm dreaming.

01:11:06.560 Right.

01:11:06.980 As if there's no gray areas in there.

01:11:09.080 Okay.

01:11:09.280 So if you are in a sleep paralysis slash nightmare type of a situation where you're no longer

01:11:19.480 dreaming, you're lucid, you know you're in some different dream state now, because your

01:11:23.860 dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, which is supposed to be shut down when you're asleep,

01:11:29.240 is active.

01:11:30.320 All of a sudden, you have an inner monologue.

01:11:32.620 You're interacting with yourself.

01:11:33.800 You have all full memories of your life.

01:11:36.380 You have your personality, your communication style.

01:11:39.440 There's cohesion to the storyline playing out before you.

01:11:43.900 It's not nonsensical like a normal defrag dream.

01:11:47.680 You have full access to your moral code, your religion, your fight or flight.

01:11:54.540 You have all your emotions.

01:11:56.480 So you're no longer dreaming.

01:11:59.320 And you can call it astral projection or an out-of-body, or you can call it whatever you

01:12:03.480 want.

01:12:03.640 What I call it is REM abduction.

01:12:06.380 Because you have now been pulled to this other place.

01:12:10.080 You're going to wake up.

01:12:11.000 If you have any memory of it all, it was just a dream.

01:12:13.780 Oh, I had the worst dream last night.

01:12:15.260 You're not going to think about it.

01:12:16.800 But what's starting to happen now, I love what you're saying about all of the broadcasting.

01:12:23.500 I loved that word.

01:12:24.900 Because now you've got people that are not just talking individually.

01:12:32.420 Okay.

01:12:32.640 Let's go into the quantum mechanics of this entanglement.

01:12:36.340 Okay.

01:12:36.800 Now it's not just, I'm Vicky and I've had sleep paralysis my whole life because of my trauma.

01:12:42.900 And I've had all these bad dreams.

01:12:44.400 And occasionally a demon will ride in on the coattails of that bad dream.

01:12:48.300 And you'll scare me.

01:12:49.880 And like, that's all it is.

01:12:50.880 Don't worry about it.

01:12:51.480 But now we are starting to see people talk about collective dream spaces.

01:12:58.400 Yes.

01:12:58.820 Okay.

01:12:59.260 Now we're talking about, yep, liminal spaces.

01:13:03.440 We're talking about the mall world.

01:13:05.540 It's the same mall.

01:13:07.000 It's the same stores.

01:13:08.060 You're meeting the same people.

01:13:09.520 It's the same patterns.

01:13:11.260 It's the, people are drawing maps and the maps are lining up.

01:13:14.100 And so, and the broadcasting that goes on now, I've only had this happen two or three times

01:13:20.380 so far.

01:13:22.600 But I always go back to, I remember in 2018, if you told people that your smart TV could 0.99

01:13:29.780 hear you, you were a lunatic. 0.96

01:13:31.920 Like this is 2018, right? 0.99

01:13:34.820 But, you know, you'd be sitting around talking about, oh, my vacuum cleaner broke.

01:13:38.380 And then all of a sudden, all these vacuum cleaner ads and commercials are coming up.

01:13:41.740 And, you know, if it happens once or twice, you know, synchronicity, just a coincidence,

01:13:46.260 whatever.

01:13:46.680 But now we're to the point, you know, what, five, six, seven years later, where now it's

01:13:51.520 like, well, of course the smart TV is listening to you.

01:13:53.300 Of course it is.

01:13:54.020 You know, no one thinks you're crazy.

01:13:56.860 Yeah, exactly.

01:13:57.620 Right.

01:13:59.580 So it's the same thing with the, with the dream hacking.

01:14:02.200 Uh, so what's happened to me now, like three times is, um, I will have a dream and a particular

01:14:11.280 person, usually a celebrity that I care nothing about, which would be all of them will show

01:14:17.620 up in my dream.

01:14:18.740 Okay.

01:14:19.920 Some, some buddy will, will, will appear in my dream.

01:14:25.260 Never seen any of their movies.

01:14:26.660 Don't know anything about them.

01:14:27.760 Don't care.

01:14:28.420 Um, it's not like I had posters of them up on my wall when I was a kid or anything.

01:14:33.200 And that next day, when I wake up, my Instagram feed will be chock full of stuff for that person.

01:14:42.260 That's weird.

01:14:43.120 And, and I don't know if it's a, which came first, the chicken or the egg.

01:14:45.860 Now this is what I do.

01:14:46.920 Whenever those things happen, whether it's on my Instagram feed or not, anytime I have a

01:14:51.380 dream about a celebrity, especially, but some, or like something like that, I will intentionally,

01:14:58.100 no matter how curious I am or how intrigued I am or how lured into the narrative I am,

01:15:04.100 you know, if it's a really good dream or whatever, I will by absolute resolve and self-discipline,

01:15:11.440 not search that out on the internet.

01:15:13.840 I am not going to go and feed the algorithm.

01:15:16.480 I'm not going to train these people that every time you plant something in my head, I'm going

01:15:21.760 to become obsessed with it, or I'm going to follow your lead.

01:15:24.340 You know, I get to pick what I want to think about.

01:15:27.400 And if I didn't care about this person before, there's no need for me to care about them now.

01:15:31.360 And so I do feel that the sleep paralysis has gone to a whole new level with me.

01:15:37.380 I don't have the old stuff anymore.

01:15:39.020 I wake up, you know, like that, that's all like for the four and five-year-olds, right?

01:15:43.680 Like now what I'm having is having to wake up and fight for my autonomy and my humanness.

01:15:52.640 I have to wake up and I'm still going to choose today who I'm going to serve, what I'm going

01:15:57.420 to, what I'm going to look into, what, you know, if I don't have an interest in something

01:16:01.960 and you have introduced it to me in a world of intrigue or flattery, like we were talking

01:16:07.740 about earlier, you've got this young, like handsome celebrity in this dream that is so

01:16:13.460 intrigued with you.

01:16:14.360 And then you wake up and you want to perpetuate that fantasy.

01:16:16.800 No, I'm not going to take the bait.

01:16:19.720 I'm not going to have someone else tell me what I'm going to think about or dream about

01:16:25.100 or long for or compare my life to, or what I'm going to buy.

01:16:29.160 And I mean, we're this far away, if, if it's probably happened already, where they're going

01:16:34.460 to start, you know, we've heard about it.

01:16:36.840 They're going to start putting the commercials in our dreams, right?

01:16:39.560 The advertising.

01:16:40.660 I had a feeling this is where you were going.

01:16:42.460 So advertisers are exploring dream incubation using audio video cues before sleep to implant

01:16:48.760 brand imagery into dreams as a new frontier for marketing companies like you've been doing

01:16:54.100 this to me.

01:16:54.540 I've been doing this to myself while when I was, when I was younger and not in music.

01:16:59.320 So I was in college.

01:17:00.160 I have a minor in music, but I would play a C note and then a couple of other ones, but

01:17:05.960 mainly C. I wanted to find middle C. So I would play that tone while I slept in order

01:17:11.320 to like internalize this kind of thing. 1.00

01:17:13.160 You're a psychopath. 1.00

01:17:14.240 You were. 1.00

01:17:14.960 All right.

01:17:15.580 I have relative pitch because of it.

01:17:17.660 I don't, I don't have perfect, perfect pitch means you can hear a sound.

01:17:21.200 Did you just Gates program yourself?

01:17:22.420 He did.

01:17:22.800 He's like, I would just drink it.

01:17:23.720 Is that?

01:17:23.980 I would drink a cup of pink drink before bed and I would play a C note over and over

01:17:28.040 again and make a soul circle.

01:17:29.960 I'd wear a heavy blanket to simulate paralysis.

01:17:32.520 Yeah.

01:17:32.720 But this was actually, it did work.

01:17:35.000 M.E.

01:17:35.580 Ultra.

01:17:36.600 Yeah.

01:17:37.620 M.E.

01:17:38.380 Ultra.

01:17:41.080 We cut out the middle there.

01:17:42.720 That's such a bad idea.

01:17:43.840 The government, they came to my house and they're like, he's doing it to himself.

01:17:47.080 He's already doing it to himself.

01:17:48.680 M.E.

01:17:49.180 Ultra is the greatest. 0.99

01:17:50.240 Holy crap. 0.76

01:17:50.580 It did help me internalize that, that note.

01:17:52.920 So I, if, if you know where C is at, then you can like figure out on the rest of the

01:17:57.880 scale.

01:17:58.160 If you're really paying attention where the rest of the notes are.

01:18:00.460 Yeah.

01:18:00.740 Have you guys heard of Sabrina Wallace or Chris, Chris Crutchfield, who's been extending

01:18:06.120 her work?

01:18:06.980 No.

01:18:07.180 I've heard the names and I'm not familiar with the concepts.

01:18:09.200 I think I brought her up in the last pod, but like her whole thing and Vicky, you're

01:18:13.840 going to love this.

01:18:15.520 She's been showing how since 2016, the frequency band that they're using in telecommunications

01:18:21.880 is only like, I forget what degree off of our own rhythms within our body.

01:18:29.080 Okay.

01:18:29.580 Within our own neurology.

01:18:32.360 And so when you look, her name's Sabrina Wallace.

01:18:34.860 She runs.

01:18:35.140 Very familiar.

01:18:35.640 She runs Psy Energy on Rumble and her and Chris Crutchfield have done these series of

01:18:42.300 talks where they've really broken it down about this whole thing about essentially front

01:18:48.060 loading your consciousness with a thought, whether it's in a dream or actually transmitting

01:18:53.240 it into your brain.

01:18:54.020 And then you go and look at your Instagram and you see that thing.

01:18:58.540 And so most people are like, Instagram's reading my mind, but it's not that at all.

01:19:02.740 What they've done is they've preloaded your body with that frequency.

01:19:08.900 Then your phone or whatever device picks up that frequency.

01:19:14.180 That's wow.

01:19:14.940 And they're using that as like in any control.

01:19:18.120 That's the control.

01:19:19.480 Well, of course, anything.

01:19:20.660 You're breaking that, by the way, by you saying, no, no, no.

01:19:23.780 I'm not going to go to that control.

01:19:25.500 I'm not going to look up, you know, that, that, that famous person to them.

01:19:30.920 They're going to be there.

01:19:32.380 They're trying to figure out, oh, we have to change the frequency like this, or we have

01:19:36.080 to pick up the amplitude or whatever.

01:19:38.320 But this is something that's going on that.

01:19:40.960 That's why I think the whole thing with the alien agenda is people don't know that this

01:19:46.360 technology is here.

01:19:47.600 The holographic technology is here, but it's not holograms like they're going to be projecting

01:19:51.720 it out in the sky.

01:19:52.700 Anyway, the hologram is actually going to, it's much more of an internal experience that

01:19:58.680 people are going to be having that they're going to be projecting onto the world.

01:20:02.800 Whoa.

01:20:03.380 So they're going to be like, no, I saw, I saw hijacking of the visual cortex.

01:20:07.700 Would you say it's like a, uh, like a mass hallucination?

01:20:11.600 Well, it's not mass hallucination.

01:20:13.180 So this is the thing.

01:20:14.000 Like we brought this up earlier, all four of us and Vicky, you brought up this example.

01:20:17.820 You could have three friends.

01:20:19.280 You all grew up at the same time.

01:20:20.540 You were all conditioned the same way.

01:20:22.280 You guys are not going to see things the same way.

01:20:25.640 None of us see the way anybody else sees.

01:20:28.400 We think we do.

01:20:30.220 Right.

01:20:31.140 And so what you're going to do is you're going to have some things that are going to be

01:20:33.920 visually shown through a screen.

01:20:35.800 We're going to see it through a screen.

01:20:37.020 And then you're going to have people that are going to believe the most effective dupes

01:20:41.720 are the ones that believe what they're saying is true.

01:20:45.120 Yeah.

01:20:45.560 Because we all pick up on the truth vibe.

01:20:47.580 Oh yeah.

01:20:47.840 You don't want it.

01:20:48.480 You don't want somebody out there who's running a narrative who is in the know.

01:20:52.040 You want somebody who's spreading, let's say disinformation.

01:20:54.820 Yeah.

01:20:54.940 Like Timothy Alvino.

01:20:56.040 Well, don't say that's not nice at all.

01:20:56.920 I'm sorry.

01:20:57.380 That wasn't nice.

01:20:57.820 That was rude.

01:20:58.700 That was rude.

01:21:00.180 He's not.

01:21:00.700 I don't actually get an authenticity vibe from him at all.

01:21:03.220 Well, that's.

01:21:03.620 Oh, well.

01:21:04.620 I really don't.

01:21:06.700 No, I'm talking about somebody that literally is going to come to you as a zealot and be

01:21:10.200 like, I saw the triangles above me.

01:21:13.320 I swear to God.

01:21:14.180 Somebody who genuinely believes.

01:21:15.780 And they're just like totally in it.

01:21:17.540 And you, your biofield is going to pick up their biofield.

01:21:20.540 And you're going to be like, this person's telling me the truth.

01:21:23.100 But their truth isn't real.

01:21:25.680 Yeah.

01:21:26.220 But they would pass a lie detector.

01:21:28.000 It says it in, I think it's 253, man.

01:21:30.540 It says that these evil people are going to go on deceiving and being deceived.

01:21:35.540 Right.

01:21:35.640 So it's like the dude deceived himself in teaching.

01:21:38.980 This is within the church is the context.

01:21:41.240 Like that guy's the most dangerous because he's sincere.

01:21:43.880 That brings up brings about that, that notion of a strong delusion again by somebody who

01:21:48.320 was unwilling to see the truth initially.

01:21:50.700 It's like, God gives you what you want.

01:21:52.240 Right.

01:21:52.500 You don't want to see it here.

01:21:53.320 Here.

01:21:53.600 I'll take away that discernment.

01:21:54.840 I'll take away the truth and you can spiral further into your own lie to the extent where

01:21:59.660 you really believe it.

01:22:00.500 By the way, though, so companies like Coors and Burger King have tested this with studies

01:22:06.280 showing a 27% increase in purchase intent for products dreamt about.

01:22:11.880 I mean, look, if it's 27%, what would you do for a 27%?

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01:22:22.980 I think it's just convenient.

01:22:24.940 If my Instagram stopped doing targeted ads to me, I'd be a little bit bummed out.

01:22:29.180 I'd be like, show me products I want to buy.

01:22:30.760 Get back in here because I don't know. 0.99

01:22:32.600 I don't want this crap. 0.98

01:22:33.800 I want, you know, what you're programming to want. 0.97

01:22:35.740 But something that I wanted to ask you, Vicky, on the topic of this, you know, alien deception,

01:22:44.000 are there, take this wherever you want.

01:22:46.960 Are there any good aliens?

01:22:48.560 Ooh, good question.

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01:23:20.860 Okay, again, we got to define alien.

01:23:24.060 And I think, again, we have all these words that have a spectrum.

01:23:30.540 And we use the one word to mean all of it, you know.

01:23:33.960 So everything when we're asleep is a dream.

01:23:37.160 And what's another one?

01:23:41.520 I had one and it slipped my mind.

01:23:43.440 But anyway, so when you talk about aliens.

01:23:47.380 Can I refine the question?

01:23:49.180 Well, I am playing coy to an extent when I say this.

01:23:52.360 I'll refine without burying like the lead.

01:23:55.140 Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:23:58.600 Within this spiritual realm that exists on the other side, things that are not explicitly at the command of God.

01:24:06.980 So those angels that are at the command of God, the Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, these entities.

01:24:15.800 Excluding those.

01:24:17.140 When I say alien, I think that's what I'm talking about.

01:24:19.500 So we're talking about extraterrestrial.

01:24:21.560 We're talking about interdimensional.

01:24:22.680 We're talking about other beings, cryptids, whatever you name it.

01:24:26.400 Even beings of light, things like that.

01:24:28.580 But not the beings that are not specifically under the command of God.

01:24:32.980 I think is that what you're talking about?

01:24:34.660 More or less.

01:24:35.140 I mean, I think I'm looking more confined to something that disclosure might want to reveal to us.

01:24:45.980 So let's say, hypothetically, disclosure comes along.

01:24:48.700 Okay, you're talking about the species of aliens.

01:24:51.360 Sure, like let's say.

01:24:52.700 Because angels are alien to us.

01:24:54.780 They are alien to us, right?

01:24:56.200 And so, of course, the terminology.

01:24:57.500 I mean, look, let's not do this.

01:25:00.700 Let's have a well-informed conversation.

01:25:04.200 Within what we suspect on the show, I think that aliens are much more of a Hollywood propaganda thing.

01:25:11.560 We've got this propaganda wing that delivers to us our opinions and thoughts on the alien phenomenon.

01:25:18.540 And I think there's been a rebranding.

01:25:19.900 It's taken place over generations.

01:25:21.340 And they'd hoped to show us, you know, an array of different species, each with their own motives.

01:25:27.040 Hopefully, you would buy that they're from space.

01:25:29.740 And, you know, they're highly advanced, technologically speaking.

01:25:33.160 And, you know, maybe there's some good ones.

01:25:35.020 Maybe there's some bad ones.

01:25:36.520 Do you buy into that?

01:25:37.640 I mean, let's even remove the alien thing.

01:25:39.560 Let's go with the presupposition that these are a rebranding of ancient entities.

01:25:43.460 When they try to say, well, some of them are bad.

01:25:48.300 It's easy to say the grays are bad, right? 1.00

01:25:50.380 But then some of them might be good.

01:25:52.540 Some of them might even be in opposition to the grays.

01:25:54.340 Some of them might be friendly.

01:25:55.680 What do you make of that landscape?

01:25:57.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:59.140 So I've got a lot to say about this.

01:26:01.280 Let me see if I can be concise.

01:26:03.160 So let's, I'm going to coin some Heiser phrases here.

01:26:07.960 So Heiser talks about Elohim, right?

01:26:10.340 And the I am in the Hebrew means, it means plural.

01:26:14.340 That's kind of like the English equivalent to the S or the ES.

01:26:17.120 So if you see an I am ending, it means plural.

01:26:20.880 And the I am ending is also usually ascribed to royalty, royal bloodlines.

01:26:28.820 It's not like if you're a deplorable, you don't get the I am ending, right?

01:26:33.700 These are ancient bloodlines.

01:26:36.240 So Elohim is what translates into English as God.

01:26:40.840 So when we see Elohim, we think it means God the Father, and anything else is a little

01:26:45.860 G God, and it's a demon, and it's an alien, and it's a bad guy.

01:26:48.880 But that is not the Hebraic understanding of Elohim.

01:26:53.100 Elohim has more to do with location than it has to do with personhood or identity.

01:26:59.460 So when I say that I am an American, all that means is I'm not German, I'm not Chinese, I'm

01:27:10.740 not Canadian.

01:27:11.840 And so, but within America, every American doesn't look like me.

01:27:16.660 We've got male, we have female, we have different ages, we have different ethnicities from our

01:27:20.800 forefathers, et cetera.

01:27:22.020 So when the Bible or a Hebraic writer says Elohim, it's talking about every single being

01:27:32.600 that's not terrestrial in nature.

01:27:35.760 Earth is not your first estate, okay?

01:27:39.880 So this can be God the Father, and it can be Jesus, and it can be, but it can be angels.

01:27:48.220 But it can also be all the dead people in Sheol before the cross.

01:27:55.400 It can be all the people who have died, because they're no longer terrestrial.

01:27:59.380 They no longer have a body.

01:28:00.320 They're no longer here with their lungs, breathing air.

01:28:03.220 And so we have to come to a more ancient, accurate understanding of Elohim, because as

01:28:09.560 long as Christians have their horse blinders on and think Elohim means God the Father, and 0.97

01:28:14.640 if we ascribe that word to anything else, it's blasphemous, that's not the way a author

01:28:22.620 of Scripture would have understood that word.

01:28:25.980 Now, when God says that He's the God of gods, the Lord of lords, the King of kings, He's

01:28:30.960 basically acknowledging of all of the Elohims out there, there is none like me. 0.93

01:28:37.960 I am preeminent.

01:28:39.080 I'm the best.

01:28:40.000 I created all of the others.

01:28:41.200 So in terms of aliens or demons or all of the riffraff in Ephesians 6.12, the fallen 1.00

01:28:49.820 angels, the archons, the principalities, the spiritual forces of wickedness, all these

01:28:54.240 things, what I'm going to say about are they good or bad, I'm going to differentiate it

01:29:00.640 this way.

01:29:01.340 We already know from the serpent in the garden that something bad or something, let's say,

01:29:09.960 that's fallen, something that has rebelled against its maker and is now acting out its

01:29:16.520 own will, the serpent said a lot of things that were true.

01:29:21.280 It said one lie.

01:29:22.500 So if you're going to define good or evil in terms of something evil only speaks lies,

01:29:31.220 no, are there fallen entities that will speak truth?

01:29:35.640 Yes, absolutely.

01:29:37.160 So what it comes down to isn't whether or not everything they're saying is true or false.

01:29:42.040 It is their intent.

01:29:44.360 If they are telling you something true, why?

01:29:48.180 Because they're building to the deception.

01:29:50.740 And so they have to get you in.

01:29:53.140 And so if right off the bat, there is no God and Jesus Christ was just a man and he died

01:29:58.180 and he never rose from the dead because they went and they hid his body, you're going to 0.99

01:30:01.400 be like, screw you. 0.99

01:30:02.280 Like, I don't believe in it. 1.00

01:30:03.140 You're not on the hook even.

01:30:04.540 So if the intent of the truth is like some of these gatekeepers that we have online where

01:30:11.800 I'm going to present myself as a Christian and a theologian and I'm going to speak gospel,

01:30:17.320 doctrine, theology, five years, I'm going to get a huge audience.

01:30:21.340 Everyone's going to trust me.

01:30:22.480 They're now going to flip into the blinder mode because they think I'm awesome and they've

01:30:26.220 read all my books.

01:30:27.160 And now I'm going to start weaving little lies and they're not going to catch them because

01:30:31.640 they are not questioning me.

01:30:34.280 I built their trust.

01:30:36.080 So yes, fallen things can tell the truth, but what's the intent?

01:30:39.720 If they're doing it to build your trust so they can lure you into the back of the white 1.00

01:30:45.520 panel van with their candy, then obviously evil people can speak truth.

01:30:52.340 But then you had a really good point too, Raven, with we have this idea and I think that we

01:30:58.280 are so, we have so constructed our concept of war and spiritual warfare and battles and

01:31:06.620 fighting and good and evil.

01:31:11.200 We've taken our understanding of good and evil more from Star Wars than we have the Bible.

01:31:17.460 And we do have this idea that there's one guy with a blue or green sword and there's one

01:31:24.840 guy with the red sword and these two people, you know, and they're having their little fight.

01:31:30.140 And so we have to understand, I mean, even politically, even we see this in the terrestrial

01:31:37.700 realm, there are bloodline families that are fighting to the death for power.

01:31:42.580 You know, we've got the Catholic Church that wants all this power.

01:31:46.720 We've got the Illuminati that wants all this power.

01:31:48.800 We've got the government that wants all this power.

01:31:51.080 And they're fighting, constantly fighting.

01:31:54.380 There are many groups and entities and bloodlines that want the scepter of planet Earth.

01:32:00.720 And so one of them ultimately is going to prevail momentarily in the end times.

01:32:08.480 And so there's going to be infighting.

01:32:10.940 And this idea that there's one bad guy, one good guy is where a lot of us get messed up

01:32:17.640 because then we're in this duality where if there's a good guy, I'll pick the good guy.

01:32:22.140 And a lot of times the good guy is the lesser of two evils.

01:32:24.960 The good guy that we're isn't even the good guy.

01:32:27.280 And where this gets really interesting is if you do a deep dive into the noun, the common

01:32:36.900 Hebrew noun, Satan or Hasatan, the adversary.

01:32:41.480 It's just a common noun.

01:32:44.260 Satan's not his name.

01:32:45.540 Lucifer's not his name.

01:32:46.640 All of a sudden we got a Latin word in the Bible for some reason.

01:32:49.580 OK, and so take away Satan or Lucifer, you know, even in the book of Enoch, we had 200

01:32:57.120 watchers coming down.

01:32:59.600 OK, so there was 200 enemies, maybe 201 if you don't believe that Samyaza and Azazel are

01:33:04.280 the same dude, which I don't think they were.

01:33:06.120 But anyway, now it's like, OK, who is Satan?

01:33:10.500 Because if Azazel is in the abyss right now and he's all locked up, who's this guy who

01:33:16.400 presented himself in heaven and Job and said, where have you been?

01:33:19.000 I've been roaming the earth.

01:33:20.200 OK, well, then you're not Azazel.

01:33:21.460 You're not Apollyon because he's not roaming the earth.

01:33:23.900 So now there's at least two bad guys.

01:33:25.880 And I think about it and it's like, what is going to show the absolute power, majesty,

01:33:33.700 might, sovereignty and superiority of Jesus Christ?

01:33:37.140 A guy who fights one bad guy and wins, got a 50-50 chance there, right?

01:33:43.580 Or what if there are 100 Hasatans?

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01:34:19.560 What if there's a thousand?

01:34:21.540 What if there's a million?

01:34:22.820 Now we're talking Indiana Jones where he, you know, pulls out his sword.

01:34:26.980 And it's a whole, it's a crowd of, it's a crowd of guys with swords.

01:34:33.160 It's not just the one guy.

01:34:34.880 Anyone with, anyone with a Derringer that's got one lead bullet is going to shoot one guy at least once, right?

01:34:40.540 I mean, so I think this idea that there's only one group at the top of the pyramid or there's one bad guy or one royal bloodline or even one satan.

01:34:53.780 We would have so much more excitement and cultural pride in who we are as children of God if we understood how badass Jesus is.

01:35:11.340 He's not some dude in sandals that conquered one guy.

01:35:14.220 He has conquered, you know, zillions of these things that are coming at him from every angle.

01:35:21.160 This is the guy in the Bruce Lee movies that is kung fu-ing a hundred people coming at him, coming at him, coming at him.

01:35:30.060 And I just think it's sad that we can go to a movie and see some Superman or Spider-Man or Iron Man or something like that.

01:35:39.860 And we can be so in awe of this fictionalized rebranding.

01:35:47.880 Let's put an old Nephilim in tights and I'm going to get the tattoos and the mugs and the pajamas and the bedsheets and I'm going to go to the Comic-Cons and I'm going to spend my life oohing and aahing over this guy in tights. 0.99

01:35:59.500 And then never realize that Jesus is the one that's conquering every single one of them and yet he bores us.

01:36:07.820 It is amazing how they've managed to take something so epic and make it so boring.

01:36:13.680 I think what people are preparing to fall for is something that is akin to, you know, the people of antiquity where you have, what's the marker of a good God?

01:36:24.540 You know, when you look at like the Greek mythos or any of the mythoses and surely, you know, Zeus and the rest of the pantheons were revered and loved, right?

01:36:33.620 I mean, obviously there are a lot of stories where you look at it and you go, these people are horrifying or these entities are horrifying, but they were revered and they were loved and they were worshipped.

01:36:41.700 And they were worshipped and loved because of the things that they could give their worshippers, their followers, right?

01:36:47.840 They bought blessings on them.

01:36:50.460 They have the ability to, let's say, impart wisdom and mystic teachings, technologies, even if you want to go down that route.

01:37:01.480 But all throughout antiquity, we have these examples of these entities teaching agriculture, teaching metallurgy, you know, which are responsible for huge leaps and advancement in early people.

01:37:12.340 And certainly by all measures, they made the lives of the inhabitants of these cities and these, you know, these cultures exponentially better.

01:37:21.920 You know, metallurgy, exponentially better.

01:37:24.640 Agriculture, exponentially better.

01:37:26.260 To take primitive people who are constantly teetering on the cusp of like starvation, really, because it's like if there's not a good hunt that year,

01:37:36.060 if the herd doesn't move through or if you're not successful in your hunt and your gather, well, then that could mean life or death if the weather rolls in in a bad way.

01:37:45.160 But if you can prepare for the future, learning agriculture, you know, planting crops, domesticating animals, that ensures longevity.

01:37:54.580 That changes the game by that measure.

01:37:58.180 Then these things are good, right?

01:38:01.660 I mean, isn't that so.

01:38:03.000 So where I'm at right now is anybody who wants to entertain this idea of like good aliens.

01:38:09.680 And I know we've already established like that's a kind of a misnomer.

01:38:12.700 It's a it's a it's a rebranding.

01:38:14.980 But I don't and I'd love to get your thoughts on this.

01:38:19.120 I don't know exactly what their measure of of a benign entity of a good entity.

01:38:25.340 Now, now, my my measure would be neutral is even a weird thing.

01:38:29.340 We had a discussion with with, you know, with Tim about that.

01:38:32.420 And he said that he does believe that there are neutral entities.

01:38:34.960 I don't I don't think that there are because Jesus explicitly says, if you're not with me, you're against me.

01:38:38.620 And so then how how then could you be neutral?

01:38:40.560 I don't think there is such thing, especially when you're dealing with with spiritual entities.

01:38:43.800 But then again, the the foundation of spiritual entity is in flux.

01:38:48.820 So you can't even we can't even come to an agreement on that.

01:38:50.700 But my measure would be in the grace of God, in the service of God.

01:38:56.560 If this entity is in that standing, then, you know, we are at least in alignment.

01:39:02.140 I'm not for you.

01:39:02.860 I'm for the Lord, but we're in the same.

01:39:04.660 We're both for the Lord.

01:39:05.480 So cool.

01:39:06.440 You know what I mean?

01:39:06.920 But that to me is the only useful measure because all other feelings of love don't seem to matter.

01:39:13.660 You know, you go back to the Jake Barber thing where he recovers the UAP, the UAP egg shaped UAP from the mountain range in a helicopter.

01:39:20.020 And he's filled with this feeling of love.

01:39:22.460 And, you know, there's this woman talking to him or whatever.

01:39:24.680 And, you know, he's tied into UAP disclosure.

01:39:29.220 So I'm super to use Matt's vocabulary.

01:39:33.200 Sketchosaurus Rex about that there.

01:39:35.880 The measure that we would use is it falls short.

01:39:41.060 Are you giving me gifts?

01:39:42.320 That's not a good measure.

01:39:43.260 Do you make me feel love?

01:39:45.320 Well, apparently there could be a counterfeit version of that.

01:39:47.320 So that's not a good measure.

01:39:48.820 Are you for the Lord is the measure, I think.

01:39:52.760 And I don't think there's another measure that you could possibly have that is more apt than that.

01:39:56.820 But what do you think, Vic?

01:39:58.060 Yeah, this is a great, great, great discussion.

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01:40:28.380 So we have our definitions as human beings as to what's good, what's helpful, what's productive.

01:40:38.820 Interestingly, in the book of Enoch, when we find out that Azazel is giving all of this information to mankind.

01:40:46.780 Again, this has to do with intent.

01:40:48.780 When he was judged and put into chains, he was judged for sharing the mysteries of heaven.

01:40:56.760 And the angel specifically says, and you didn't even share the good ones.

01:41:01.000 You shared the worthless ones.

01:41:02.900 So here's the deal.

01:41:04.940 We do know that agriculture and farming and metals and all this stuff, it was all good things.

01:41:12.680 And we also know that God, probably more likely pre-incarnate Messiah, when he was with the people, he was teaching them things.

01:41:21.580 I mean, there's all sorts of mysteries hidden in that Torah and in the oral tradition of Abraham, Isaac, and his kids.

01:41:28.700 You read the book of Jasher and you find out they knew how to read the star map, the Maseroth.

01:41:34.220 When they went to build the temple, all of a sudden, men were supernaturally endowed with the ability to know blueprint design, carpentry, architecture.

01:41:51.020 And all of a sudden, we had a guy who had a gifting to make musical instruments and to make music.

01:41:59.560 So, you know, God, pre-incarnate Messiah, they also have the ability to teach mankind things to make life more convenient and easy and make sure we don't starve and things like that.

01:42:11.600 So the reason why the things that were shared by the watchers were worthless is because the intent wasn't for our convenience and our health, wealth, and happiness.

01:42:23.380 The same way today, the elites give us all of these things, but it's not for our health, wealth, and happiness.

01:42:28.600 It's to get us further enslaved.

01:42:30.340 And so, hey, I'm going to teach you all about metals so you can make weapons and kill each other so there can be bloodshed and war.

01:42:36.520 Hey, I'm going to tell you how to mix herbs and things, you know, so that you can, you know, communicate with the spirit realm.

01:42:45.580 Yeah, yeah.

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01:42:51.620 And so it's not that the information or the mystery itself was bad, but the reason why they were the worthless mysteries is, again, knowledge of good and evil.

01:43:01.480 Here's the other side of the coin.

01:43:03.660 This is what God intended with all of these things because Jesus's kingdom is all about abundance.

01:43:10.740 Your cup runneth over.

01:43:12.600 I've owned the cattle on a thousand hills.

01:43:14.540 The kingdom of Jesus Christ is about abundance, and the kingdom of Babylon is all about lack. 0.99

01:43:23.660 There's not enough.

01:43:25.400 And so if you want it, you're going to have to fight for it.

01:43:28.340 You're going to have to earn it.

01:43:29.080 You're going to have to work and enslave yourself to earn money and to get the health insurance and to buy it and, oh, we're all out.

01:43:37.120 And so I think with this good or bad, let's contrast that now with the kingdom of God.

01:43:44.240 Jesus comes to earth, and he did not promise or achieve wealth, health, happiness, and prosperity, which is why so many people, even within his own little group, were questioning,

01:44:03.300 John the Baptist, is this really the guy?

01:44:05.580 And then we got Judas, like, I'm out.

01:44:08.040 You know, tap out, man.

01:44:09.060 Like, this guy was supposed to make us rich and famous.

01:44:12.880 He was going to overthrow Rome.

01:44:14.400 We were going to rule.

01:44:16.660 And we even see this with, was it James and John, the two disciples?

01:44:20.060 Like, Jesus just announces to his disciples, they're going to put me to death.

01:44:26.780 I'm going to die.

01:44:28.700 And James and John, their first thought is like, well, as long as you're going to be in heaven, can we sit on your right and your left?

01:44:32.780 Like, it wasn't just Judas.

01:44:35.540 These guys were obsessed with the power and the positions in government that they thought that they were going to inherit from this special friendship.

01:44:43.500 That's where they thought this was all leading.

01:44:46.000 And that's why when Jesus died, they were all so disillusioned.

01:44:50.240 He wasn't the guy.

01:44:52.100 He proved over and over again that he was the guy.

01:44:54.440 But the reason they couldn't see him as the guy is because they didn't overthrow Rome and they weren't sitting in seats of power.

01:45:03.000 They didn't get elected into the Senate.

01:45:04.600 They didn't have the wealth and the bags of gold.

01:45:07.180 And so what happened then after they figured it out?

01:45:11.040 After the resurrection, they remembered all these things and he appeared to them and they realized, oh, he really is.

01:45:15.740 And he's going to go and prepare a place for me.

01:45:17.200 He really is the Messiah.

01:45:18.360 And so at that point, were they bestowed with wealth position?

01:45:26.000 Did they get promoted?

01:45:27.520 Did they have wealth?

01:45:28.660 Did they have health?

01:45:29.340 Did they have long lives?

01:45:30.220 They didn't get any of that stuff.

01:45:31.640 They were martyred.

01:45:32.680 They were disrespected.

01:45:34.000 They were chased down.

01:45:34.940 They were stoned.

01:45:36.800 They were kangaroo courts.

01:45:39.400 They weren't rich.

01:45:41.040 They were going from town to town, not even bringing a money bag with them, couch surfing with whoever would take them.

01:45:48.360 And so this idea of good and bad, the government has groomed us to believe that something is good and loving and trustworthy if it gives you health, wealth, long life, prosperity.

01:46:02.280 That's not the gifts of the kingdom of heaven.

01:46:07.260 And, you know, we do, we know from Psalm 27, I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living.

01:46:13.820 Be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord.

01:46:15.640 But we also know that it's not going to be until we come into his kingdom that we are going to achieve the health, wealth, and long life and eternal life and prosperity.

01:46:25.100 And we are now living in a world that is being dominated and run by the adversary.

01:46:33.420 And he's going to promote his own people.

01:46:37.000 He's not going to put people in positions of authority that are working against his kingdom.

01:46:40.940 And so I think even when we talk about good and bad, when we talk about love, when we talk about all of these good things, that we have to be very careful.

01:46:52.780 The same way we buck the system when we're dream hacked and we're told to look up the celebrity or look up the Burger King, we also have to tell the government and the people out there who own all the pharmacies and the health insurance companies and the jobs with the paychecks and the bonus checks.

01:47:10.720 We have to constantly be saying, like, Jesus, no, why do you call me good?

01:47:16.320 And there's none good but the Father.

01:47:18.900 And it is as true today as it was back then.

01:47:21.040 And so as long as we keep defining health, wealth, and prosperity, and goodness, and love, and safety the way the government tells us we are supposed to define it, first, the more pacified we're going to be with their poultry little temporal gifts that aren't going to do a thing for us except give us a meal every day and a game system, right?

01:47:45.020 You know, they're willing to give us that stuff to pacify us, but the real definitions of good, the real definition of love, this is why it's important.

01:47:56.580 Like, earlier we were talking about having to define terms and why is it important if we dig deep down and try to figure these things out?

01:48:05.960 But Judas wound up selling Jesus out for 30 pieces of silver because Jesus didn't meet his expectations.

01:48:18.140 He had a terrestrial human definition of who Jesus was and what Jesus came for and what Jesus was going to accomplish.

01:48:28.500 And when Jesus failed to meet Judas' shallow expectation, it led to his destruction.

01:48:39.160 And so we have to understand, not the English translation or the church traditions or what the 501c3 pastor says or what the seminaries tell us.

01:48:52.000 If we aren't deep diving into scripture and understanding the culture, context, history, language, and geography, the Hebraic lenses, we are taught, we are intentionally taught from kindergarten through 12th grade and all the way through college, a Masonic way of learning the seven sciences.

01:49:17.640 This is all Masonic, the foundation of our entire public liberal arts education.

01:49:24.200 Liber comes from the Latin word liber, free.

01:49:26.780 You know what that meant?

01:49:28.100 If you're not an elite adept, you're going to get a dumbed down, stripped version of the education.

01:49:37.280 You're getting the free education. 0.99

01:49:39.200 You're getting the bargain basement education because you're a deplorable.

01:49:42.920 You're not worthy of this higher tree of knowledge information we have.

01:49:48.060 So we're going to give you the liber. 0.73

01:49:49.680 We're going to give you the free version.

01:49:51.140 But all of the seven sciences and the liberal education, all of it is Freemasonic, which goes all the way back into the original dragon courts and the secret societies going all the way back to Cain.

01:50:05.860 And it's this grooming, it's this dumbing down.

01:50:09.820 So if we're not in the word, the most important question in the whole Bible and every single thing in the world hinges on it, your life, your happiness, your joy, your prosperity, how you define all these things, where you're going to spend eternity is when Jesus said to Peter, who do you say I am?

01:50:29.340 If you get that question wrong, everything fails.

01:50:34.760 You know, as you're talking, and I think you're right, that is the most fundamental question to be asking here, especially because if we're presented an antichrist, it'll be something that is a palatable version of Jesus that people can, you know, accept who maybe aren't so grounded in the gospel.

01:50:51.120 You know, like, it's such a bizarre juxtaposition of like, yeah, what you just said there is really what I've been trying to do and get at since I've been on this journey.

01:51:03.460 It's like, I'm trying to understand the personality and the nature of God.

01:51:07.460 You do that by talking to him, by reading the Bible.

01:51:09.980 You do that by fellowshipping with other people that can explain things to you.

01:51:13.500 But it's like, we need to define that.

01:51:17.320 So that definition is super important.

01:51:19.440 But on the other hand, that's an important definition.

01:51:22.180 Wait, to know God?

01:51:24.300 We had to define that.

01:51:25.460 Is that what you're saying?

01:51:25.900 Because ultimately, that's what this whole thing is about.

01:51:28.160 Because to be fair, Judas, even you alluded to John the Baptist, like these dudes had the scriptures, right?

01:51:34.380 And I think what they were so confused about was the two comings.

01:51:37.380 Like we look back now, we're like, oh, yeah, of course, there's two comings.

01:51:39.940 Of course, that's what the end of Isaiah 52 and Isaiah 53 is about.

01:51:43.700 That was his first coming.

01:51:44.660 And then, you know, these other things about him, like controlling the planet, setting up an empire like on planet Earth.

01:51:51.440 Of course, that's his second coming.

01:51:53.020 These dudes like were in the scriptures and had no clue.

01:51:55.920 But that's the incorrect definition of the scripture because they're using the scripture to fit something that they've already their preconceived narrative that they wanted to happen.

01:52:05.160 Maybe from passed down word or maybe from their their current strifes or whatever was going on politically of the day.

01:52:11.080 And it doesn't work.

01:52:12.000 But our goal of scripture has to be to get into communication with God.

01:52:16.240 Yeah, because I don't we don't we're probably still not right.

01:52:19.540 That's right about what we're reading and interpreting.

01:52:22.340 But as time unfolds, things make a little bit more sense.

01:52:25.580 And you have to be able to go left or right with what you like, like how Vicki opened up this conversation, like how we've previously thought, like I have to be OK with that dying off.

01:52:37.940 And if God has revealed something new to me, that's fine.

01:52:41.260 But I have to be ready to move in that direction.

01:52:43.120 Otherwise, I'm just going to be stuck here.

01:52:45.620 And I don't want to call myself a Judas.

01:52:47.580 But what are the ramifications of being stuck in your thinking?

01:52:51.360 Well, this is why it's careful to to not lean on your own understanding.

01:52:54.240 I mean, not only did they have scripture, but they had Jesus.

01:52:57.180 And they were still he was literally there.

01:52:58.720 They were high five in them and they still got it wrong.

01:53:00.680 So like we're 2000 years past it or I mean, maybe more.

01:53:04.040 But it makes me wonder what things were we're currently getting wrong, you know, grossly misinterpreting.

01:53:09.380 But one of the things that's really fascinating to me grossly, but are we intentionally misinterpreting?

01:53:14.740 I think it's OK to get it's all right if we get something wrong.

01:53:17.420 But if you intentionally misinterpret it because it doesn't fit to your.

01:53:20.920 Well, that's what party lines.

01:53:22.900 You're saying you want this to fit party lines is a good description, but more more like you're you're just your interests, whatever your interests are at any given moment, whether it's party lines or it's you want to be in a certain group or you have a narrative that you want to protect, whatever your interests are.

01:53:36.860 If they supersede the gospel, if they supersede the truth, then, you know, you're pretty well screwed.

01:53:42.840 It's like a constant reassessment of, well, what are my interests?

01:53:45.700 What am I doing?

01:53:46.500 Just the truth.

01:53:47.080 Every time we sit down here, anything other than that, it's dangerous to going into the scripture with any like preconceived like my doctrine is this or my denomination believes this or cemetery school taught me that like anything other than, hey, Lord, I just want to know whatever you want to show me.

01:54:01.960 Yeah, it's just whatever you want to show me, however, I can serve.

01:54:05.940 If you reveal a thing to me, that's dope.

01:54:07.760 I'm content with anything you reveal.

01:54:09.300 I want to know I'll pursue, but I'm not going to lean on my own understanding.

01:54:12.040 Like it's a it's a constant thing, because especially now as a conspiracy theorist, you know, there's all this vindication getting tossed around, which is super tempting.

01:54:20.900 It's super dangerous, right?

01:54:21.900 If the Epstein files come out, if disclosure comes out, anything that is big and of that nature, you could easily look over and go like, look how right I was. 0.80

01:54:30.820 Look how right I was, which I'll do that and I'll do it as a joke.

01:54:33.320 Like I'll do it.

01:54:33.780 I'll walk around.

01:54:34.340 I'll do it to my wife and I'm like, babe, look how smart your husband is.

01:54:37.640 Look at how smart.

01:54:38.200 Look at how look how much stuff I do.

01:54:39.520 Isn't it cool that I do all this stuff?

01:54:40.660 And she goes, yeah, yeah, baby, it's cool.

01:54:42.060 But like you got to you have to curb that because that thing is like, look, what you're saying is like, look how great my understanding is.

01:54:51.920 And that's like one step away from like, I can lean on this.

01:54:55.500 Yeah.

01:54:55.720 Think about like the scribes, right?

01:54:58.040 Like the scribes and Pharisees, like the scribe was a commentator.

01:55:01.800 Same thing that we call a commentator today, like the commentators of Jesus day crucified him.

01:55:05.860 I guarantee those dudes could go to the scripture and justify it, prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that that's not the Messiah.

01:55:13.220 Guaranteed.

01:55:13.760 Guaranteed, bro.

01:55:15.500 That's a crazy thought, right?

01:55:17.120 Here's a strange thing, though.

01:55:18.200 So you look back, like we were saying, at those groups of antiquity and they were they were worshiping these gods and these gods made them dependent.

01:55:24.080 Right.

01:55:24.240 So it's like they gave them the systems.

01:55:26.900 Right.

01:55:27.040 Which which I do think is like as above, so below, you know, as in heaven, so on earth or vice versa, as on earth, so on heaven.

01:55:33.320 Which way is it?

01:55:34.020 I don't know which way it is, but same thing.

01:55:35.420 Right.

01:55:35.520 So these systems that we have on earth are an emulation of like these heavenly systems.

01:55:40.820 Right.

01:55:41.480 And so, you know, these entities give them the systems, they give them the technologies, they make the people dependent on them.

01:55:48.040 The people give them worship, they give them sacrifice.

01:55:50.100 And then you look at our modern day government.

01:55:52.320 It's very much the same thing.

01:55:53.160 Right.

01:55:53.680 They provide through like welfare and everything, all these systems that make you dependent, you sacrifice endless amounts of babies in the, you know, what would you call it?

01:56:03.360 Uh, what's the, what's the, it's called what you're describing is called prostitution. 0.99

01:56:07.660 No, no, no, but there's a colloquial, uh, terminology, uh, healthcare, but it's, it's reproductive care. 0.53

01:56:13.740 There we go.

01:56:14.080 It was just such a funny terminology, but through all this reproductive care, you're sacrificing these babies. 1.00

01:56:18.780 You're dependent on the government.

01:56:19.780 The government is giving you these technologies.

01:56:21.740 So it's the same system.

01:56:22.840 It's just decentralized where it was centralized in like a group of entities.

01:56:26.740 Now the entities have taken a back seat and they're using man to orchestrate, but it's the exact same thing.

01:56:31.900 If they do the disclosure, it's going to be the same thing as the old system where now you have these entities and they're giving you systems and they're giving you technologies.

01:56:39.900 It is literally a repeat.

01:56:41.400 I always use the example of childhoods and Arthur C.

01:56:44.420 Clark in that book.

01:56:45.600 Well, I only watched it cause I can't read, but in the show, um, you know, these entities come and they, they introduce these systems and they introduce these technologies and they create a utopia and they don't reveal themselves to mankind.

01:56:57.700 And then mankind falls into such a false sense of security because how much of a utopia has been created?

01:57:02.760 These things must be good.

01:57:04.940 Eventually they say, we will reveal ourselves in this many years.

01:57:07.460 When that time comes, the entities reveal themselves, they're demons, but it's like, how, how funny is that?

01:57:15.120 It's the same exact system of dependency, of imparting knowledge and wisdom, of, of sharing technologies, of sacrifice, right?

01:57:24.480 To these entities.

01:57:25.560 It is exactly the same system.

01:57:28.060 Now we just don't get to see them.

01:57:29.540 And the big trick is we're going to get to see them again and people are going to fall for it again.

01:57:33.820 Yep.

01:57:34.520 Yep.

01:57:34.780 You know, I, I know I'm opening a can of worms here and I'm really not meaning to, but it's just perfect.

01:57:41.580 So by way of just going off of what Matt was saying, where, when, if we go into the scripture, trying to see it as a proof text for our denomination, instead of jumping off the cliff and seeing what it really means.

01:57:53.620 So Jesus is our example in the garden, okay.

01:58:00.520 Or when he, in the garden of Gethsemane, when he was praying, right?

01:58:03.980 He was saying, okay, God, I know this has been the plan from the beginning, but now that I'm a few hours away from it, if there's any plan B here, just let me know now.

01:58:15.040 Okay.

01:58:15.860 So Jesus was thinking, maybe there's an option that I don't have to do this, go through any suffering at all.

01:58:24.420 Then when he got onto the cross, he's not dead yet.

01:58:28.440 He's suffered some, he's been beaten, he's got the crown of thorns, he's in pain.

01:58:31.960 Then a temptation comes before him and the, the Bible and our, our doctrine doesn't word it this way.

01:58:38.840 It doesn't ascribe it directly to Satan, but the crowd says, save yourself.

01:58:44.840 End this right now, end it early, get off the cross.

01:58:47.980 You don't like, you know, so now we have a second option for the cross.

01:58:53.080 Okay, God, maybe just spare me from any suffering at all.

01:58:57.500 Maybe, maybe Satan says, I can get him to come off the cross in the middle.

01:59:02.720 So he, you know, he kind of did his thing, but he doesn't have to suffer the whole thing.

01:59:07.040 And then there's a third option of, you're going to see it through to the end.

01:59:10.860 You're going to go through all of it.

01:59:12.520 The full cup of God's wrath is going to fall on you.

01:59:17.980 This is the same scenario that we're painting for our eschatological options.

01:59:23.200 We can, God, if there's any way, let this cup pass.

01:59:26.080 I don't want my, you know, foot to hit a stone.

01:59:29.120 I don't want to break a nail.

01:59:30.560 I don't want to go through any pain at all.

01:59:33.260 If there's anything that we can, right.

01:59:36.080 Then we've got the, like, hey, come down off the cross.

01:59:38.580 You know, dude, it's been three and a half years.

01:59:40.660 Yeah.

01:59:41.380 You've, you've been eating, you know, beans and, and water for the last, you know,

01:59:45.900 oh, you poor Christian. 1.00

01:59:47.240 You've, you've, you've proved yourself to me and I'm going to save you now at mid-trip.

01:59:51.200 Right.

01:59:51.360 And then we've got the option of like, no, you're going to go all the way to the end

01:59:55.340 and you're going to take your last breath and, you know, it's going to come down on you.

01:59:59.480 And so the way that Jesus provided an example for us was by saying, okay, God, best case scenario.

02:00:12.940 This is the one I would pick.

02:00:15.000 Don't, let's just scrap this right now.

02:00:17.000 There's got to be a better way.

02:00:18.260 Okay.

02:00:19.900 Then Jesus said, you know, I could just come down off my cross in the middle of this and 0.98

02:00:24.660 get out the laser beams, zap them all dead, laugh over their corpses. 1.00

02:00:28.420 And I win you idiots. 1.00

02:00:30.080 And I was right. 1.00

02:00:30.880 That's the human way.

02:00:31.900 Right.

02:00:34.160 What Jesus did in the garden was he said, maybe there's a chance I don't have to suffer at all.

02:00:41.260 Maybe there's a chance that maybe the father will do for me what he did for Abraham.

02:00:48.560 Maybe there'll be a scapegoat.

02:00:50.500 Maybe I will, I will go all the way up the mountain with my son and have that fear in my, in my heart.

02:00:55.440 And then in the 11th hour, you're going to, you're certainly, I'm your son.

02:01:00.100 Certainly you're going to do for me what you did for Abraham.

02:01:02.360 Like there's a possibility.

02:01:03.540 All things are possible.

02:01:04.360 Right.

02:01:04.660 And what Jesus did after weighing all the options is the theology that left the garden

02:01:13.120 with him was, I know you can do all things, not my will, but yours be done.

02:01:19.780 And so the way I frame eschatology, you're never going to hear Vicki saying I'm pre, mid

02:01:24.720 or post-trib or like, or, or all the little, like, I'm, I'm, I'm a pan tripper.

02:01:30.100 It'll all pan out in the end and all this nonsense.

02:01:31.820 Right.

02:01:32.180 So here's the deal.

02:01:32.920 I know that whether he comes before the end times, in the middle of the end times,

02:01:42.660 or at the end of the end times, or that before the bowls of wrath, but, or until the very

02:01:46.920 end, whatever, I know that whatever he's picked, he's going to give me everything I need to

02:01:58.320 survive it and keep my faith intact.

02:02:00.100 I know that if the worst case scenario is suffering, that he's going to prepare a table before me

02:02:08.720 in the presence of my enemies.

02:02:09.740 He's going to set my feet on a rock.

02:02:11.560 He is going to let, um, he's going to make sure that as I'm going through the valley of

02:02:17.380 the shadow of death, I will fear no evil.

02:02:19.900 This goes back to what Topher was saying.

02:02:21.840 I'm in the middle of death, the last enemy, the thing that all humanity fears.

02:02:27.960 I am in the hand of death right now.

02:02:31.020 And I have no fear.

02:02:32.840 That's what we're promised.

02:02:34.400 Whether it's a near death experience or a real death experience in the throes of death, we won't fear.

02:02:40.300 So who cares if he comes at the end, if, if he is by our side, if, if that's what he won on the cross

02:02:47.840 was the keys to death and Hades, where he says to the thief on the cross today, you'll be with me in

02:02:53.640 Paris.

02:02:53.980 In other words, I will escort you to the gates of death. 1.00

02:02:57.840 You're still going to die. 0.99

02:02:58.880 I'm not pulling you off the cross. 0.85

02:03:00.280 You're still going to like suffer a heart attack and, and, and your lungs are going to collapse.

02:03:04.740 I'm not saving you from it.

02:03:06.380 I'm not taking you off the cross, but I have promised now because of your, of your faith

02:03:11.460 that when you die and you pass over to that other side, I'm going to take your hand and I'm going to

02:03:16.340 be your personal escort to the gates of death.

02:03:20.440 And if any accusers are there, it's not going to matter.

02:03:25.460 So we have all of this evidence in scripture that he's never going to leave us or forsake us

02:03:30.500 and that we will have fearlessness in the face of death.

02:03:33.280 And, and so my question about this eschatology is who cares when he, when he comes back, he's

02:03:42.480 coming back.

02:03:43.720 Yeah.

02:03:44.680 Same.

02:03:45.880 That's huge, man.

02:03:46.840 I, I, I've never heard it put like that.

02:03:48.620 That was a really fascinating contrast to, to what Jesus went through.

02:03:53.320 Um, that's actually like, that's, that's huge.

02:03:56.080 Yeah.

02:03:56.200 Not my will, but your will, like that's his life in one sentence.

02:03:59.360 Even the, even this idea though, of how it, how it correlates to, you know, people's desires

02:04:04.000 for a pre-trib or a mid-trib and, and whether or not you think you could back it scripturally,

02:04:07.940 it's like, that's a fascinating contrast.

02:04:10.900 Yeah.

02:04:11.060 But if you really love the Lord, you would kind of hate to get taken up in a pre-trib, bro.

02:04:14.960 Like before like the craziest stuff on the planet ever goes down, like you're like, no,

02:04:19.560 I want to be around for that.

02:04:20.760 No, I, as, as, as funny as that is, I, I agree.

02:04:23.240 You know, I often think like, I didn't spend all my life learning a bunch of crazy stuff

02:04:27.180 and then coming to Christ just to like, take the first bus out.

02:04:30.620 Yeah.

02:04:31.320 Totally.

02:04:32.100 Which is whatever he can do whatever he wants.

02:04:33.600 I would, I seems like he'd rather stick around during that.

02:04:37.380 I might ask him to be in the wild story.

02:04:40.140 I'd rather have the backstage pass than the nosebleed seats.

02:04:43.360 Yeah.

02:04:44.080 Same.

02:04:44.940 Um, I want to put a pin in it there.

02:04:46.820 I think that's a great way to end the episode, Vic.

02:04:48.940 Um, you know, I, I guess actually before we do, I have to, I have one final question.

02:04:53.020 Are you having fun, Vicki Joy Anderson?

02:04:55.440 I am, man.

02:04:57.400 Oh, oh my gosh.

02:04:58.640 Yeah.

02:04:59.360 Yeah.

02:04:59.760 If I can just testify to how awesome Jesus is, you know, not everybody can pursue their

02:05:06.780 dreams.

02:05:07.220 Like not everyone can be the professional baseball player and the rock star, right?

02:05:10.140 We need people to do everything.

02:05:11.860 But, um, you know, all I wanted to do since second grade was be a writer.

02:05:19.080 So second grade.

02:05:20.580 And then in fifth grade, I absolutely knew it for a fact.

02:05:22.900 I went to college.

02:05:23.640 I got the writing degree.

02:05:24.620 It's, it's what I wanted to do my whole entire life.

02:05:27.820 And, you know, um, where I'm at now, the particular niche I'm in and, uh, doing this, uh, the,

02:05:34.820 the, the spheres of warfare kind of stuff, every single thing that I'm equipped to do right

02:05:41.620 now, I'm equipped to do because the first 20, 30 years of my life was very, very, very difficult.

02:05:51.680 The refining fire.

02:05:53.160 It was the refining fire.

02:05:54.480 It was the crucible.

02:05:55.120 And so, you know, it looked for a long time, like, you know, things aren't going to pan

02:05:59.780 out, but I see that Jesus cared so much about that little second grader at the, at the poetry

02:06:05.680 table, writing haikus that he is like, I am going to make sure that as you get old and 1.00

02:06:12.880 as you grow and you start to, that the cares of the world start choking out this high vision

02:06:18.800 that I can use for my glory, I'm going to, I'm going to hold you to this prayer and this

02:06:24.360 desire, um, long after you don't even care anymore, I'm going to bring it to fruition.

02:06:29.020 And let me tell you guys, the day that I got to quit my corporate job that was killing me

02:06:34.540 in every single way.

02:06:35.980 And, um, like I said, I know God doesn't make every single little dream come true.

02:06:42.140 You know what I mean?

02:06:42.780 But, um, I am absolutely loving my life.

02:06:47.040 The last four years has been everything I ever dreamed about.

02:06:50.940 And when I think about all the surgeries and the bullying and the people that wouldn't let

02:06:55.560 me sit by them on the bus and the icky vickies and the Freddy Kruegers and the Frankensteins 0.64

02:06:59.040 and the Scarface and all the crap I had to go through, it's like, bring it on, bring it on, 0.97

02:07:03.160 man. 0.90

02:07:03.280 Cause you know what?

02:07:04.460 Most of the people, um, by my age, they're burned out.

02:07:08.160 They're tired.

02:07:09.100 They're, they're disillusioned.

02:07:10.900 They've grown tired.

02:07:12.680 And, you know, what do we look forward to once, once, once the few things in life have

02:07:17.220 happened, I've had my kids, I got my house, I got my first car, I had the job and now I

02:07:21.240 got the grandkids and, you know, then, then what?

02:07:25.020 Right.

02:07:25.620 And, and I just love the fact that, um, when we trust him and we wait on his timing and we're

02:07:32.860 okay with his will and, and we are, we let patience have its perfect work.

02:07:37.560 I love that verse in James, let like, that's, that's what I can do with my free will instead

02:07:43.960 of barging ahead and quickening the pace.

02:07:47.320 Cause God's not moving fast enough.

02:07:48.840 Uh, I can use my free will to submit under his hand and his timing and he will then bring

02:07:56.440 into fruition everything I've ever dreamed and more.

02:08:00.260 Amen.

02:08:01.540 Excellent.

02:08:02.260 Excellent.

02:08:03.040 I would eat another, uh, bag of dumpster donuts if it meant that I knew I was going to end

02:08:07.480 up here.

02:08:08.180 So yeah, I, I'm right there with you, Vicki.

02:08:10.700 Thank you so much for your time.

02:08:12.520 Thank you, Vicki.

02:08:13.080 I appreciate it.

02:08:13.740 It's been, thank you guys.

02:08:15.100 Uh, Topher, thanks for hanging out, man.

02:08:17.000 Yeah, bro.

02:08:17.180 Thanks for sticking around.

02:08:17.940 This is my pleasure.

02:08:18.740 It's so nice to meet you, Vicki.

02:08:20.100 Hey, you too.

02:08:20.760 You too.

02:08:21.080 Both you guys.

02:08:21.480 Thank you, Matt.

02:08:22.560 No, thank you, Raven.

02:08:23.600 Whatever, man.

02:08:24.180 No, Vicki, you crushed.

02:08:25.320 This was like so awesome.

02:08:26.720 I didn't, like, hey.

02:08:27.760 Hey, are you, are you flattering me?

02:08:30.240 Are you flattering me like my chat bot?

02:08:31.860 Stop flattering Vicki, all right?

02:08:33.540 Jeez, man.

02:08:34.280 What's the matter with you?

02:08:35.340 Guys, thank you for hanging out.

02:08:37.180 Another great day of podcasting.

02:08:39.200 And, uh, yeah, just bringing, man, I don't know what else to say.

02:08:42.240 Obey, submit, and comply.

02:08:43.740 Goodbye.

02:08:45.240 What?

02:09:12.240 Death Squad

02:09:13.300 Death Squad

02:09:16.360 Never look

02:09:25.160 Death Squad

02:09:26.700 When the last trumpet sounds

02:09:28.780 And the heaven

02:09:30.080 That was good.

02:09:31.080 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Nephilim Death Squad - February 24, 2026

Demonic Aliens and Generational Iniquity w⧸ Vicki Joy Anderson & Topher Gardner

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