Nephilim Death Squad - Esoteric Epstein w⧸ Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra

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00:01:57.720 Welcome, Blah, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:11.960 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

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00:02:49.460 That's right.

00:02:49.820 I think the Epstein list shirt is more potent now.

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00:03:00.480 Listen, we have great guests today.

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00:03:05.320 Guys, joining us today is Red Panda Koala and Tupac Cabra.

00:03:09.520 Two heavy hitters from Twitter.

00:03:11.880 I guess formerly Twitter now X.

00:03:13.980 And guys whose work we've been a big fan of for some time.

00:03:17.420 We've actually brought you guys up on the show a lot.

00:03:19.900 Especially, you know, in regards to disclosure.

00:03:22.540 We're going to get into that today.

00:03:23.820 But first, let's talk about where everybody can find and support your work.

00:03:26.940 We'll start with Panda.

00:03:28.880 Yeah, Red Panda Koala.

00:03:30.140 I'm on TikTok, Instagram, X under Red Panda Koala.

00:03:33.480 And then I do have three YouTube channels.

00:03:35.040 So Red Panda Koala, my main one, my OG one.

00:03:37.260 This is where I put my documentaries out.

00:03:38.780 I have another one called Red Panda Koala UFO History Archive.

00:03:41.880 And that's where I just put a bunch of like old clips and stuff that I have like on my hard drive.

00:03:45.240 That's not monetized.

00:03:46.500 And then I have my third one, which is like I'm starting to try and grow it just for building or for live streams and stuff like that.

00:03:53.160 Trying to do like the vetted model on that one.

00:03:55.900 You've been doing a lot of live streams lately.

00:03:57.800 I've been seeing you, especially in regards to the Epstein files.

00:04:00.940 And you're kind of picking them apart live, which is very cool.

00:04:03.480 So, yeah, guys, go over and support Red Panda.

00:04:06.300 Tupacabra, what do you do?

00:04:07.640 Where can people find what you do?

00:04:09.060 What up?

00:04:09.440 So I mostly just kind of shitpost on X.

00:04:12.880 You can find me there.

00:04:13.720 You know what I mean?

00:04:14.740 Under Tupacabra.

00:04:15.660 And then also Instagram and TikTok.

00:04:18.260 I have accounts there, too.

00:04:19.140 And I do have a YouTube channel.

00:04:20.420 But, you know, I just throw up some of my longer form videos on there.

00:04:23.520 I think your Instagram is done.

00:04:25.260 I think you got terminated.

00:04:26.320 We just we just discovered that as we were.

00:04:28.580 Oh, what?

00:04:30.240 I don't even know.

00:04:35.120 It's very cool.

00:04:36.060 I've been seeing you have this conversation with people where it's like, is AI art art?

00:04:42.780 And I got to I have to side with you.

00:04:45.840 I think, you know, there's obviously levels to anything.

00:04:49.380 It's like is a crayon picture art?

00:04:51.620 Well, I don't know if you draw a stick figure.

00:04:53.400 Maybe it's not art.

00:04:54.300 But if you can make something, you know, impressive and considerable that leaves an impression on the viewer, then, yeah, I would say it is art.

00:05:01.120 And you've done that with AI.

00:05:02.440 Anybody can put a prompt in the videos that you have been creating and the lore that you've been creating in these AI videos with the thick whites.

00:05:11.360 And what you've done with these guys like like Elizondo or like Stephen Greer or any of these characters is phenomenal.

00:05:20.240 Well, I will say the best shit.

00:05:21.720 I'll defend I'll defend really quickly because I do see this argument and I'm a graphic designer myself.

00:05:27.440 Whereas before, let's say I'm going to design something.

00:05:30.140 I don't know, like I want a raven and a lobster in my head.

00:05:34.460 I'm not going to be able to really nail that.

00:05:36.140 So we'll use references.

00:05:37.180 And it's the same thing with tattoo artists, right?

00:05:39.600 You'll have a couple of references.

00:05:40.620 They'll put them together.

00:05:41.820 They'll put it in their program and maybe they'll use like either Photoshop or whatever the fucking note.

00:05:46.880 I use Affinity Designer and then they'll work it out and mix.

00:05:49.900 It's like you're just using a medium that does it faster and probably way more accurately.

00:05:55.880 But like it's from your brain.

00:05:56.980 This is art that you want to put out and have it out there.

00:05:59.460 And you'd be able to do that.

00:06:00.480 It would just be like super painstaking.

00:06:02.180 So yeah.

00:06:03.380 Yeah.

00:06:03.860 Like my background's in video.

00:06:05.600 So I used to I had my own video company for like 15 years.

00:06:08.160 I shot and directed and edited all my own stuff, anything from music videos to commercials.

00:06:12.600 So all I did was instead of having to go film stuff, I just make it and then I edit it the same way.

00:06:19.020 I storyboard it the same way.

00:06:20.600 I edit it the same way.

00:06:21.800 It's all it's always the same product.

00:06:24.040 But I mean, you know, if I wasn't doing every part of the every job along part of the production line, then, you know, you could isolate it and say like the editing of these videos is this is as crucial and isn't it has as much integrity as editing anything else.

00:06:39.160 It doesn't really matter where the editor gets the footage from or what it's for.

00:06:42.420 If they can cut it together, that's an art.

00:06:44.860 And that's where I think it kind of stands out is that I'm putting videos together the same way they've always been put together.

00:06:49.380 So it makes it makes the stuff feel more real.

00:06:52.180 Like it makes it feel like an actual experience you have to watch through because I've been making experiences forever.

00:06:58.080 And like, yeah, the the flack about is a art is always cracks me up because with video, there's multiple parts to it.

00:07:05.040 And I never claim that I'm out there filming these things, you know, like that's why I try to make ridiculous stuff.

00:07:12.340 So it's already like, what the heck?

00:07:14.220 Because I want to make things that I could have never afforded to film.

00:07:16.620 You know, I never had a million dollar budget to make somebody's rap video, dude.

00:07:20.720 I never had that.

00:07:21.740 Like, I want a helicopter shot.

00:07:23.520 You know what I mean?

00:07:23.980 I want I want people like on cars and stuff.

00:07:26.520 But that's completely outside of your realm of possibility as independent artists.

00:07:30.600 Now it's not.

00:07:31.300 So I'm going to do it.

00:07:32.020 You know, that's a great actual.

00:07:34.120 So that's a really great insight because it's like what previously restricted great creators from creating something that, you know, you would typically see on TV role is the budget.

00:07:42.500 Sometimes I look at ancient aliens and I'm like, look at these motherfuckers.

00:07:46.420 B-roll.

00:07:46.840 Yeah, like they spent billions of dollars probably to go to these places.

00:07:50.260 And now you just kind of type it in and it closes that gap.

00:07:54.180 And now it's it's really just like your ability to sequence and create these things and translate your ideas onto a visual piece.

00:08:02.900 That's that's the thing that actually counts now.

00:08:04.900 So in that way.

00:08:06.660 Yeah, I agree.

00:08:07.600 Fantastic content.

00:08:09.020 And right now.

00:08:10.260 Well, actually, before you guys have have crossed this, this.

00:08:15.000 It looks like you've crossed a bit of a threshold recently.

00:08:17.040 It looked like not long ago you were having fun.

00:08:19.880 And I want to talk about that threshold.

00:08:22.380 You're still having fun.

00:08:23.520 I want to talk about that threshold.

00:08:25.020 But first, what I want to discuss is.

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00:08:58.640 The comedy angle that you're injecting into UAP disclosure.

00:09:05.640 Because what's obvious to me is everybody who is surrounding this.

00:09:08.620 Whether it's Steven, David Wilcox, Lou Elizondo, you name it.

00:09:16.340 They all really want to be taken seriously.

00:09:18.840 And in some ways, they're similar to like a politician, right?

00:09:22.460 That's kind of what we're getting.

00:09:23.640 We're getting politicians that are representing disclosure.

00:09:26.580 And before things got weird, you were taking the piss out of them in a really big way.

00:09:32.060 And I got to say, I'm a fan of that.

00:09:34.080 Was that like your intention?

00:09:35.660 I mean, you have like, you guys have this troll angle that you approach this situation with.

00:09:40.960 Go for it.

00:09:41.480 I know you got some good stuff on this one.

00:09:43.160 Humor is just the best way to handle some of this stuff.

00:09:45.360 We, you know, we didn't get in, I didn't get into this.

00:09:48.540 And me and Panda have been like friends online about this, on this topic for years, you know,

00:09:52.480 like, and when Twitter began to become like a landscape to explore, you know, like we were

00:09:57.340 like on like back channels talking about this with big groups, like, oh no, have you guys

00:10:00.860 heard about this, this video, this, this ghost video?

00:10:03.240 That was fun.

00:10:03.900 That was exciting.

00:10:04.820 But yeah, getting into it through Twitter, you're kind of in another lane.

00:10:08.580 It's a whole different kind of ballgame.

00:10:09.980 And, you know, you, at first you want to push it forward.

00:10:13.060 You want everything to be on the up and up.

00:10:14.780 You're making videos about Elizondo.

00:10:16.860 You're making videos about Whitley Strieber.

00:10:18.700 You're making it so it works.

00:10:19.940 And you're trying to, you know, I was trying to add production value to it.

00:10:22.200 And then when everything got really goofy, it's like, well, the only way to deal with

00:10:26.040 this is humor.

00:10:26.760 Right.

00:10:27.140 But, but humor is really important because like the best impressions are, are done by people

00:10:31.860 who kind of have a respect for the person they're doing impersonations of.

00:10:34.760 And when all you do is hate it, your jokes become very mean spirited and they don't really

00:10:39.800 land.

00:10:40.480 I still love the topic.

00:10:41.880 So when, you know, when it came out of mocking it or, or, or parodying it or being satirical,

00:10:46.200 it always came from a place of love.

00:10:47.740 Like I wanted to see the good stuff come through and the bad stuff.

00:10:50.800 Like it's okay to laugh at it.

00:10:52.700 It's okay to laugh at someone channeling.

00:10:54.360 It's okay to be like, this claim is crazy, you know?

00:10:57.600 And so that's one of the, I think it helps the whole movement too, to be honest, like it

00:11:01.200 creates this whole kind of like cultural momentum as opposed to just like a

00:11:04.740 strictly like suit and tie kind of thing.

00:11:07.100 And it kind of helps you take some of the steam off of it.

00:11:09.700 There's a lot of weird shit and it's just, there's a lot of funny stuff too.

00:11:11.980 And yeah, I mean like some of our memes and stuff get more eyes seen on it than like some

00:11:16.380 of the more serious kind of stuff we'll be clipping and, you know, and I think it all

00:11:19.560 helps.

00:11:20.580 I think that that is also really keen observation that the memes are going to put more of a

00:11:25.440 spotlight on this phenomenon than maybe some of this like attempts to be buttoned up

00:11:29.880 in suit and tie because there's a whole percentage of, well, even besides that percentage of

00:11:35.160 the population, comedy is an awesome vector or vessel for truth.

00:11:40.400 How long ago, how long did you guys start exploring the comedy route with this UFO phenomenon?

00:11:47.220 We never, I never, I don't remember ever sitting down and being like, yo, let's be funny.

00:11:50.920 You know what I mean?

00:11:51.660 It just, it's just like, we were so close to it that the jokes, they rang true with people.

00:11:57.940 Like when I, you know, the, the joke about hood Greer came from, cause Stephen Greer went

00:12:03.180 on Vlad TV and I was like, that's really funny.

00:12:06.100 That's like a random place for him to be.

00:12:07.600 And then he went on Khloe Kardashian's podcast and I was like this dude.

00:12:11.360 And so then I just played him up like he's trying to be like hella street, you know?

00:12:14.900 And I made these little mock videos and they just kind of blew up.

00:12:17.860 People thought they were so funny.

00:12:19.260 And so like, it just came from making jokes and then having them kind of catch.

00:12:22.520 And when they caught on more than the, the, what the, what the clip should have been

00:12:26.580 about or whatever, then I was like, oh, this is, this is funny, you know?

00:12:30.540 Yeah.

00:12:30.740 And it was kind of like on X cause right on my YouTube channel, my OG one, it's like

00:12:34.300 kind of a little more of a button and tie kind of vibe, like edited documentaries and

00:12:38.440 whatnot.

00:12:38.780 But then also kind of with this like hate group stuff, kind of with what you were saying

00:12:42.340 about like a lot of times comedy is a perfect vector for like uncomfortable discussions to

00:12:46.680 be had in.

00:12:47.140 Cause it like, there's this kind of like, it lets your guard down or there's this kind

00:12:50.520 of wall barrier of memes where this hate group stuff, which we'll get into later.

00:12:54.480 I'm sure just all the crazy doxing and harassment that's been going on for years.

00:12:57.740 A lot of people are really uncomfortable to like talk about it now more and more people

00:13:01.420 are, but for years, people were afraid to even talk about it unless we started injecting

00:13:04.920 like little meme moments about it.

00:13:06.340 Right.

00:13:06.800 And then people who would never like engage with the posting, like, oh, lose harassing

00:13:09.820 people.

00:13:10.200 They might like retweet or comment under like, LOL, like a memetic comedic take on a moment

00:13:16.180 like that.

00:13:16.720 You know what I mean?

00:13:17.780 Yeah.

00:13:18.320 Well, let me ask you this then on a, on a more serious note, Panda, you know, your content,

00:13:23.240 um, at least on one of your channels, you got to, but I feel like we should explain it.

00:13:27.360 Cause I see some of the, in the YouTube chat, not familiar with what we do when I said explore

00:13:31.840 comedy, I'm just, I'm kind of like asking a nuts and bolts question, nuts and bolts question,

00:13:36.180 because it's exactly what I do with, uh, what like the realm that we're in.

00:13:40.540 So we're in like this Christian conspiracy sort of realm and before that political sort

00:13:44.360 of realm.

00:13:45.220 But, uh, I operate in the absurd and like the extreme absurd to the point where like, I like

00:13:50.540 to mix it up and I don't do it as much anymore, but I would just like make lies and see what

00:13:55.640 people would believe and really like create this chaos and confusion.

00:14:00.520 And there's an element of comedy that makes it go.

00:14:03.700 And it's, I just, I love creating that weird dividing line between people where like, they

00:14:07.920 don't know what's exactly real and what's fake, but everybody's angry.

00:14:11.880 And then you can get actual real responses out of people.

00:14:14.780 Yeah.

00:14:15.220 And, and also it's worth saying that, you know, earlier, uh, Troopacabra was saying

00:14:19.900 that, you know, it's not like a malicious thing.

00:14:23.420 It comes from like a, if you're not having fun with it, like it's a difficult, it can be

00:14:28.280 a difficult line to walk because jokes can turn into ridicule, which are still one foot

00:14:34.920 in the joke realm.

00:14:35.740 But now they have one foot in like the accusatory or like kind of a nasty place.

00:14:40.980 And, you know, a lot of people saw, for example, our interactions with, with Albarino and we've

00:14:45.440 unpacked it so many times.

00:14:46.900 He is close to this whole UAP disclosure situation, but, um, it was, it was a bit of a tight rope.

00:14:53.320 We had to make a concerted effort because, you know, Troop, when you said like, oh, I never

00:14:58.260 set out to do this thing.

00:15:00.440 Um, we did make a conscious effort at one point to be like, we're not going to get vicious.

00:15:05.740 You know, cause we, we've had a history, especially on X of like dragging people in a pretty spectacular

00:15:10.300 way.

00:15:10.840 We made an effort to keep this really silly, really silly because these guys just want to

00:15:16.260 be taken seriously so badly.

00:15:18.160 And, and I, and I realized at some point, like that's the Achilles heel because you can

00:15:23.180 throw, I mean, the, the example would have been COVID it's a trillion dollar propaganda

00:15:28.200 machine.

00:15:28.640 That was just had the wheels taken off of it by memes, basically.

00:15:31.640 Yeah.

00:15:32.060 Yeah.

00:15:32.300 Oh yeah.

00:15:33.620 So, um, Panda.

00:15:35.240 I was looking at your, your YouTube and it's like one of your accounts, you've got, um,

00:15:41.880 really great videos going back as far as four years ago.

00:15:46.420 Um, and I, I imagine that you didn't just wake up four years ago and start doing this.

00:15:50.800 I imagine you've been at it for a while.

00:15:52.660 Uh, so these are really thoughtful pieces on the UFO phenomenon.

00:15:58.040 What, what got you.

00:15:59.820 Yeah.

00:16:00.180 Interested to the degree that origin story of it.

00:16:02.660 Yeah.

00:16:03.100 Um, so basically what did I do?

00:16:05.700 I graduated college in 2016 and I went to go like work in LA and, um, I was always really

00:16:10.400 into history.

00:16:10.840 So I wanted to do like a history YouTube channel.

00:16:13.180 I wasn't really into the UFO stuff.

00:16:14.540 I remember like listening to coast to coast, um, now and then like on long drives growing

00:16:18.760 up and stuff like family trips and stuff.

00:16:20.540 Like just when it was late, not like my parents are into it or anything either.

00:16:23.780 And then I was saving up for a computer to start editing and I wanted to really do like

00:16:28.280 coups.

00:16:28.900 I was really interested in like the cold war and kind of like the spy or spy kind of stuff.

00:16:33.020 Like, uh, I would have done like the Guatemalan coup or, you know what I mean?

00:16:36.600 Things like that.

00:16:37.400 Like how, how, um, like controlling the narratives and narrative control and influence and stuff

00:16:43.620 could like change things.

00:16:44.800 I found that very fascinating.

00:16:46.540 And then right as I basically had enough money and saved up for a computer, that's when all

00:16:49.860 the 2017 stuff broke and I hadn't really looked into it yet.

00:16:52.400 And then I finally did.

00:16:53.460 And it was just like, once I looked into it, I was like, Oh shoot, this stuff's pretty real.

00:16:57.000 There's a lot of fake BS in here, but there's definitely a solid through line, like pretty

00:17:00.460 interesting history.

00:17:01.180 And it all kind of ties in with the cold war stuff and the narrative control stuff too.

00:17:04.620 So it was just kind of like a perfect little, like on like switching over, especially

00:17:08.660 because I didn't find like there was videos, like what I had like envisioned, like I'd

00:17:12.340 like, I'd wanted, um, and yeah, that's kind of why, yeah.

00:17:16.480 When you see 2017, do you mean like when they came out and they were like, we've, we've recovered

00:17:20.120 off world craft?

00:17:22.120 Uh, it was written like the first three Navy videos which really dropped and Lou came out

00:17:26.140 on the scene and TTSA and, um, yeah, that whole thing.

00:17:29.800 And then you'll kind of notice too, like I kind of shoehorn in, like some of my videos,

00:17:32.820 I do talk about some of these old cues or that's kind of why I think even with some of

00:17:37.620 the hate group stuff, like I'm very interested in the narrative control elements of it, even

00:17:41.620 going back, right?

00:17:42.480 Uh, cause I feel like there's more concrete evidence of that than a video per se, for

00:17:46.620 example, like the Robertson panel, if you guys are familiar with, like in the 1950s when

00:17:50.440 the CA held this convention and there's documents you could read that are like totally say documents

00:17:54.240 about like how they want to control the narrative and they want to add debunking to the zeitgeist.

00:17:58.600 Like I find those little moments, like a little more significant.

00:18:01.420 And even with stuff today, right?

00:18:02.900 Like there's certain topics where when you touch on them, you get hit with this hate group

00:18:07.080 stuff, which is just a modern narrative control mechanism.

00:18:09.040 And to me that shows like there's something there.

00:18:11.400 Um, yeah, keep going.

00:18:13.900 So it's actually interesting.

00:18:15.380 We, uh, we like to unpack the events of like 1947 all the time, but, uh, I didn't realize

00:18:21.880 that the Truman Doctrine was also, uh, 1947 and that is the beginning of the cold war.

00:18:27.180 Could you like fill me in a little bit on that?

00:18:28.980 Because my history is kind of weak in that aspect.

00:18:31.460 Um, yeah, I mean, well, the cold war was kind of going on for a while, even before that

00:18:35.000 too.

00:18:35.320 But, um, yeah, after world war II, I mean the Soviet union and the United States of America

00:18:40.600 were just like two spheres of influence with two competing things.

00:18:43.860 And, um, yeah, they were just constantly trying to undermine each other and influence different

00:18:48.920 countries that were kind of on the peripheries of these two ideologies.

00:18:52.000 And it's interesting too, it's like, even this UFO stuff will pop in there.

00:18:55.080 So as I mentioned, um, one of the reasons why they did the Robertson panel in the 1950s

00:19:00.460 was because they were afraid of the Soviet union weaponizing, uh, UFO flaps or even fake

00:19:05.780 flaps narratives to inject into the, um, like, uh, what is it?

00:19:10.080 The information stream and just kind of messed up up.

00:19:11.780 And it's even funny.

00:19:13.100 Like we, the unofficial reason that we are all about debunking UFOs in the fifties was because

00:19:18.900 of that, but then we were also doing that at the same time where in the 1954 Guatemalan

00:19:23.340 coup that the U S did over bananas in Guatemala, right?

00:19:26.800 One of the documents that you could read in the CAA was that they wanted to, uh, amidst

00:19:30.820 all the storm of various different things they were doing to like inject into the information

00:19:35.440 space was to fake UFO stories.

00:19:37.740 And like, so like this UFO thing has kind of been a part of the whole cold war thing since

00:19:42.140 the beginning too, to be honest.

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00:20:13.880 That's interesting.

00:20:15.800 So then I wonder, um, how you're looking at, and this is a question for, for both of you

00:20:22.180 guys, how you're looking at modern day UFO disclosure.

00:20:25.380 I mean, narrative control seems to be the most apt way of describing what we're bearing witness

00:20:31.520 to.

00:20:32.820 Yeah.

00:20:33.600 Tuba, you want to go for that?

00:20:34.460 I kind of was riffing there.

00:20:35.640 Yeah.

00:20:35.820 The narrative control is really strong.

00:20:37.540 I mean, I, I personally believe that like it, it, it really, it's in, it's ingrained in

00:20:42.400 every aspect of the UFO topic as a researcher, right?

00:20:45.720 Like even the way it's framed, I believe is a psyop, like the idea that, um, it appeals

00:20:53.020 to scientism and it, and it presents a lot of like pseudo religious or pretty fundamentally

00:20:58.380 religious ideas.

00:20:59.280 And it repackages them in a, in a sci-fi way or a science fiction way.

00:21:03.940 Um, that's interesting.

00:21:05.360 It, it, that, I think that's one of the most interesting aspects, but also that frames

00:21:09.980 everything.

00:21:11.000 Um, it goes on to frame how people think about this.

00:21:13.300 I've talked to maybe thousands of different people who look at this topic through spaces

00:21:17.380 and, and whatnot.

00:21:18.440 And there's this like pre, um, like a preconceived notion that everyone has.

00:21:24.720 And it's the one that was implanted there from the beginning of this phenomenon by the government,

00:21:28.940 by the media.

00:21:29.940 Um, and they're the, the people who adhere to that the most are the ones who reject new

00:21:33.720 ideas, new possibilities, the strongest.

00:21:35.640 And I think that's one of the most effective aspects of this, uh, phenomenon of the research

00:21:39.780 of the control part anyway, because if they control how you could look at it, they don't

00:21:45.040 even need to sit there and continue to affect you.

00:21:47.100 You're going to carry that with you as you, and as you get new information and as you share

00:21:50.920 that information.

00:21:51.560 Well, that's one of the most alarming parts about all this to me is like the, the UFO

00:21:57.220 disclosure as it stands right now is in lockstep with that preconceived notion that you just

00:22:01.400 said, like most people have.

00:22:03.060 And I would say like one of the strongest driving forces behind that, and you can speculate as

00:22:08.200 to what's behind that driving force, but the strongest driving force behind the preconceived

00:22:12.700 notions we have about UFOs, it comes from Hollywood, right?

00:22:16.620 Like overwhelmingly they've been fleshing out the narrative through compelling storytelling

00:22:22.180 for a long time.

00:22:23.100 They've hijacked, you know, mankind has this, this strange, it's like a gift, but it's also

00:22:27.920 a curse, um, a sort of softness for storytelling.

00:22:31.080 It's a great way to preserve a set of values or, or even, you know, history over time, but

00:22:35.880 it's also a great way to sneak in some lies.

00:22:38.760 And so where I'm sitting at right now, I'm looking at the narrative as it stands and

00:22:43.760 I'm going, this is, this is basically what Hollywood has cooked up for us.

00:22:47.240 And sure it's, it's backed by, you know, historical events in some way, shape or form, but those

00:22:52.580 historical events are usually passing through the filter of, you know, military intelligence

00:22:56.700 and that's how it reaches, you know, the general public.

00:23:00.060 And then you'll reach back in time, look at an event and say, let's make a, you know,

00:23:03.520 a piece of fiction about this.

00:23:04.800 Um, yeah.

00:23:05.860 And so I have some of my old videos, um, or go for it.

00:23:10.000 No, I was going to say, I think it's a magnificent rebranding, but, but go ahead.

00:23:13.960 Yeah.

00:23:14.100 Some of my old videos cover that too, in depth of like, they were messing with scripts in

00:23:17.780 the fifties on TV shows about UFOs and whatnot.

00:23:20.580 And they were messing with, uh, movies on both ways, injecting like pro UFO stuff and like

00:23:25.540 telling them to tone it down.

00:23:26.580 If you want access to like government planes in your product.

00:23:29.840 And then it goes through, even through today where some of the biggest movies coming out,

00:23:32.980 Spielberg's right.

00:23:34.380 Have you guys heard this rumor that allegedly lose an advisor on that shit?

00:23:37.640 Cause you know, they have an advisor.

00:23:39.460 I don't know if it's true or not, but they had Jalen Heineck.

00:23:42.560 Yeah.

00:23:43.760 What, what's this guy's name that co-directed with Spielberg?

00:23:46.520 Who, who's the Dan something, right?

00:23:49.080 Yeah.

00:23:49.620 He, he did the age of disclosure.

00:23:51.360 Exactly.

00:23:51.860 Yeah.

00:23:52.400 So yeah.

00:23:53.060 Um, the rumor is lose an advisor.

00:23:55.040 And if you look at close encounters of the third kind, which came out in the seventies,

00:23:57.480 Spielberg's other like big UFO movie, he had Jalen Heineck, right?

00:24:00.220 The big blue book debunker, the big government whistleblower who went or went whistleblower,

00:24:05.140 uh, UFO guy.

00:24:06.480 So I've heard rumors that it's Lou.

00:24:08.000 And then, but even if you want to take a separate view of that, the other big project going out

00:24:11.520 in Hollywood is the, uh, Jerry Bruckheimer production, which is the same people who did

00:24:16.600 Top Gun Maverick.

00:24:17.660 And apparently that one has an advisor of David Grush.

00:24:20.340 And I personally like Grush, but both Lou and Grush stay within a certain NDA approved

00:24:24.900 line.

00:24:25.240 Right.

00:24:25.860 So it just goes to show you these two big projects that are going to hit the zeitgeist,

00:24:29.260 the Spielberg movie and the Grush movie.

00:24:30.740 They're all going to still be this kind of like government approved kind of narrative

00:24:34.280 control thing.

00:24:36.260 What bums me out is that it looks good.

00:24:38.500 Like we watched the trailer for, uh, uh, disclosure day.

00:24:42.100 And I was like, this kind of crush is, they nail all the things and it's filled like in

00:24:45.200 the background.

00:24:45.700 It's like, you know, uh, Cardinal, yeah, the Cardinal and the Monarch and the, the Monarch

00:24:50.700 butterfly in the States, like filled with all like the kind of esoteric symbolism that

00:24:53.940 points to some of these, um, these, uh, psychological operations.

00:24:57.900 Yeah.

00:24:58.080 The channeling.

00:24:59.260 Um, it's, it's interesting because even Greer who I believe the CE5 app is Greer's,

00:25:04.220 right?

00:25:04.880 Yeah.

00:25:06.280 So that app, um, it, it creates not only this effect where you seem to be able to call

00:25:11.480 in, uh, UFOs into this reality.

00:25:14.060 And I know that the backbone of it is binaural beats, which is like the Gates program.

00:25:18.720 Like this is, this is something that has been, um, uh, what the intelligence community is

00:25:24.420 interested in for a long time as far as developing since 1947.

00:25:28.500 Yeah.

00:25:29.200 What, what frequency does to the mind, what frequency does to maybe the traumatized mind

00:25:34.940 is a whole bunch of things that they're experimenting on, but it doesn't just stop it.

00:25:39.520 Like, um, calling UFOs.

00:25:42.100 It, it's like people that do the CE5 app will experience poltergeist activity in their home.

00:25:46.860 Uh, they'll have sleep paralysis, they'll have demonic encounters and everything.

00:25:50.280 And so, you know, on this show, we believe that the overlap between, uh, you know, the

00:25:55.980 alien phenomenon and demonic encounters is, is almost a one-to-one.

00:26:00.480 It's just a slightly different visage, but that whole thing should be giving people pause.

00:26:05.200 That's interesting.

00:26:05.840 So you do agree with, because, uh, we were asking for the show, you're like, you guys

00:26:10.360 are Christians, you come from a Christian standpoint, and that could put us in firmly in a camp

00:26:14.020 of like, you know, I guess what a lot of people would want to say, the Collins elite would

00:26:18.160 point at these things and go demons and yell, but you agree with that as well.

00:26:22.780 Yeah.

00:26:22.940 And it's, you know, I've seen people, I tell people don't do CE5.

00:26:26.020 I've seen people, multiple people over X over the years, you know, cause we do spaces a lot

00:26:30.120 to, so it's kind of like this almost a recurring, not support group, but almost like you're

00:26:35.860 plugged into like different experiences over extended periods of time, which is something

00:26:39.460 that I did back in the day too.

00:26:40.580 We're just kind of doing it online in a more casual way.

00:26:42.540 And I've seen people come and go who were all into the CE5 app, thought it was the greatest

00:26:46.860 thing ever.

00:26:47.420 And then before you know it, like you said, they're, they're having poltergeist stuff

00:26:50.420 and it's affecting their family and stuff like that.

00:26:52.360 And they're getting hit up in the back channels.

00:26:54.800 Yeah.

00:26:55.160 They're getting, they're getting prodded up by like weird Intel agents and stuff.

00:26:58.220 And I've just seen this story happen time and time again.

00:27:00.760 And that's why, I mean, demon within the strictly Christian framework, I don't know if I go

00:27:05.040 there.

00:27:05.220 I think Tuba kind of goes there, but I kind of go there too.

00:27:07.260 In the same way, it's like all kind of the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

00:27:09.860 Like it's all just kind of different words for like the same kind of thing.

00:27:13.420 Yeah.

00:27:13.980 I, the point that I came to was like demon as the Bible describes it.

00:27:19.180 Demonic would be a better term.

00:27:20.980 Demonic is a better, but it's like an opposition to mankind and an opposition to, to God, the creator

00:27:25.680 of the universe.

00:27:26.120 But it's a, it's a good thing about the nature.

00:27:28.320 Some of the people we're going to go behind the paywall.

00:27:29.940 Oh, that's right.

00:27:30.420 It'll be released in a week or so.

00:27:31.760 There's a seven day free trial on the Patreon.

00:27:33.240 Let's keep this.

00:27:33.580 Wait, this isn't going to be all free.

00:27:35.040 No, I'm just kidding.

00:27:35.540 I was going to do my Albarino impression.

00:27:41.740 That's fire.

00:27:42.340 Oh, so, but I do think that demon does a really good job at like the, the nature of these

00:27:49.320 things, because if you look at disclosure, it's trying to pull us in an opposite direction.

00:27:53.200 Now, people like, you know, Albarino have said, well, the grays are demonic.

00:27:56.960 And I think it's pretty hard to say anything other than that, because they're taking you

00:28:01.780 against your will.

00:28:02.520 They're performing experiments on you.

00:28:04.040 In some instances, they're impregnating women.

00:28:06.400 They're taking, you know, loads from dudes and creating hybrid babies.

00:28:10.480 It's like all of that.

00:28:11.580 You know, I think the branding on, on, it's not good.

00:28:14.740 Like if you were PR for the grays, you'd be like, there's simply no way that we could

00:28:17.960 rebrand you.

00:28:19.560 So, but they are, there are people that are taking this position of like, well, what about

00:28:22.900 the Pleiadians?

00:28:23.640 What about the tall or the thick weights or these things?

00:28:26.460 And, and now, you know, within the body of abductee experience, I've heard plenty of

00:28:32.280 stories.

00:28:32.560 One of, one of the most compelling ones, in my opinion, comes from Karen Wilkinson.

00:28:36.140 Her book is covered up right now, but you know, she's an author, works with LA Marzulli's

00:28:41.200 team.

00:28:41.980 She's been abducted for a long time.

00:28:44.920 And she says, yes, stolen seed, evil harvest, be stealing that seed.

00:28:50.360 Her, her, her story is really remarkable, but it's not completely unique.

00:28:55.320 And, and in her testimony, she's talked about how they're all present, you know, so you're

00:29:00.140 being taken by the grays, but you end up in a place where the, the, the tall grays are

00:29:04.380 there, the insectoids are there, the Pleiadians are there.

00:29:06.880 So I don't know exactly the disclosure.

00:29:10.400 You said that they're staying within these bounds, right?

00:29:12.700 Where it's like kind of government approved narrative right now, because even though we're

00:29:17.620 marching towards it, they're being very careful to not get into the conversation of the nature

00:29:23.660 of these things.

00:29:24.540 And that to me is the most important thing.

00:29:27.920 I don't care about technology or, or anything like that.

00:29:32.900 First and foremost, I care about their intent.

00:29:35.780 You know, if we're dealing with something that's external to the human race and it's

00:29:40.940 highly advanced, if that's what you, you want us to, to believe, um, uh, then the immediate

00:29:46.080 question that I'm going to have is what is it, what is its nature?

00:29:48.820 Is this thing?

00:29:49.240 And we know what they know, right?

00:29:50.280 And they always, they always dumb it down.

00:29:52.680 Like, Oh, we don't know what they are.

00:29:53.780 We don't know what they're, it's like, no, we know you guys all know a little more than

00:29:56.560 what you're saying.

00:29:57.120 And so they're totally intentionally dumbing it down and yeah, got to wonder why.

00:30:01.800 I think it's, it's evidence that they're demons or demonic and, um, like there's no

00:30:07.720 other scenario that makes sense in my mind, uh, when you game it out that, uh, the government

00:30:11.800 is aware that these things are non-physical, that they're spiritual in nature and that they

00:30:16.860 have no way to defend you from them.

00:30:18.500 Um, and it represents a higher power.

00:30:20.560 There's no government on earth that would bow down to a higher power that had the ability

00:30:24.940 to, um, enter your bedroom, right.

00:30:28.200 Or enter your life without, cause you're basically accepting in the government's announcing there's

00:30:32.980 a higher power than us that you guys should pledge allegiance to, right.

00:30:35.940 And the system that exists that has these spiritual things and all this other stuff, that's a better

00:30:40.040 system than what we're presenting here.

00:30:41.840 Those are rules that you're going to have to live and die by.

00:30:44.260 You might not, you know, want to pay a tax.

00:30:46.540 You might not want to support this thing.

00:30:48.340 So the government, I think by nature, can't, can't admit it.

00:30:52.560 They can't say, Hey, this is what this is.

00:30:54.700 Um, also because it's, I mean, America's a melting pot of different ideas and this would

00:30:59.580 really narrow those options down quite a bit.

00:31:02.260 Right.

00:31:02.500 And so the up, the upturn or uproar or upheaval that it would cause, I think would be significant.

00:31:08.200 Um, but there's all, in my opinion, it's very much, um, the presence of something spiritual

00:31:15.260 or conscious in nature and the whole physical craft, physical alien, that part of it, it's

00:31:20.980 a, it's a red herring meant to make you more vulnerable to the, to, to being preyed upon

00:31:26.220 by these things, which is dangerous.

00:31:27.680 Like if there's a 1% chance, these things are, are demonic in nature, satanic in nature,

00:31:32.440 evil in nature, then we should be very much prepared for that.

00:31:37.000 Instead, we're asked to do CE5 and commune with them.

00:31:40.520 We're asked to trust where they're going.

00:31:42.060 We're asked to, you know, to worship them and they're going to bring, I mean, like we've

00:31:45.740 talked to so many experiencers.

00:31:46.880 We've also talked to so many researchers.

00:31:48.260 The idea is that humans are, are, are failing.

00:31:51.980 Humans have failed.

00:31:52.980 That's a, that's a preconceived notion.

00:31:54.420 That's crazy, right?

00:31:55.500 Kind of satanic.

00:31:56.200 And, and that we need a higher power to come save us.

00:31:59.560 Only that sounds like you'd be reaching up towards a God or your God, whatever.

00:32:04.140 Instead, you're going to reach out to these aliens who are going to communicate through

00:32:09.060 this high priesthood of the government.

00:32:10.560 Cause they're going to have all the technology, all the way to access it.

00:32:13.320 And now to commune with a, with a kind of a Satan God, you have to have all these middle

00:32:18.960 men in place.

00:32:19.640 So yeah, this is when you game it out, you know, they should be warning us.

00:32:23.720 They should be letting us explore these topics, but in the UFO community itself, there's these

00:32:27.800 rumors and these myths that Christianity is stopping disclosure.

00:32:31.340 The fear of demons is so archaic and so naive and so childish, and it's really stopping

00:32:37.040 the progression of disclosure.

00:32:38.520 We need to abolish religion, religion from this topic.

00:32:41.540 And I think that's a really, well, there's an over.

00:32:43.320 Like a demonization of it, right?

00:32:44.520 With like narratives, like the Collins elite, right?

00:32:46.360 It's like, Oh, they're so dumb.

00:32:47.780 They think it's demons.

00:32:49.340 That's kind of like what you're saying right there.

00:32:50.400 But then also at the other end, a lot of the Congress people, I feel like are all in

00:32:53.140 on that.

00:32:53.420 And I just want to be clear too.

00:32:54.220 I'm not necessarily, I think it's an element, but I do think there's other elements at play

00:32:57.920 here, but yeah, there's just a lot of interesting.

00:33:00.040 And it's just, I mean, it's kind of like religion all in all.

00:33:02.800 I personally think like all religions are kind of like UFO cults to a degree.

00:33:06.640 And whenever you have religions, there's really clashes of ideas that, you know, can get pretty

00:33:11.360 gnarly over the years.

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00:33:43.620 Yeah.

00:33:43.880 You're going to get people with ulterior motives who put themselves into positions of power in

00:33:49.440 any, in any religion.

00:33:50.420 And they're going to, you know, bend it and twist it to serve their purposes.

00:33:53.700 Well, I mean, I think that you mistakenly like really pointed at it.

00:33:58.020 All religions are some sort of UFO cult.

00:34:00.840 That's interesting.

00:34:01.460 Yeah.

00:34:01.740 Even technically speaking, even in Christianity, like what we believe to be the good side,

00:34:07.360 the angels, I think they use the same technology as, as a fallen angel would use or whatever

00:34:12.940 their progeny would be using this sort of space technique to, you know, in the Bible, there's

00:34:17.580 multiple, multiple occasions where they're seeing these craft or whatever in the sky.

00:34:21.720 They don't know exactly how to describe it.

00:34:23.500 And they're saying that it's benevolent.

00:34:25.380 But sometimes we see these things in there.

00:34:27.260 They're malevolent.

00:34:28.320 Sometimes we're not sure they could be from the government.

00:34:30.260 So it's like, yeah, is it a UFO craft?

00:34:33.020 Is it a UFO cult?

00:34:34.620 Like kind of in a way that everyone's looking at the same phenomenon.

00:34:38.300 Well, we, when we talked to Sean of Kingdom and Context and he, he like, you know,

00:34:41.760 we'll work our way backwards.

00:34:43.540 We'll get to the bell-shaped craft of the Nazi regime that supposedly existed, you know,

00:34:48.880 and officially it doesn't, and how that bears such resemblance to the Vamanas that the Vedics

00:34:53.840 were using.

00:34:54.800 And you realize like, oh, there's definitely this element of technology.

00:34:58.400 But if you go to the Vedics, they're like, yeah, it was given to us that technology by

00:35:01.660 our gods.

00:35:02.140 And it was only allowed to be used by like, you know, demigods and the priest class or

00:35:07.320 something like that.

00:35:08.100 And, um, and I'm of the opinion that they were just worshiping fallen angels, um, and

00:35:12.920 their offspring.

00:35:13.440 And so the way I'm looking at it is, okay, fallen angels teach you how to create these

00:35:18.560 things.

00:35:18.960 And then I can track that all the way to the Nazi regime.

00:35:21.900 And then after that, our, our modern day, you know, uh, experiences that of these sometimes

00:35:28.540 would seem to be nuts and bolts craft.

00:35:30.580 So I'm like, yeah, there's an element of this that looks to be reverse engineering is,

00:35:34.860 is maybe, uh, a misunderstood terminology.

00:35:37.320 Cause it sounds like we get it out of the Roswell crash or something.

00:35:39.760 I'm like, no, it's, it's always been here.

00:35:41.780 Um, but that element I think has been manufactured to some degree by humans at the behest of these,

00:35:47.920 you know, spiritual entities that have commissioned us to build these things.

00:35:51.260 And Tuba, you've done a great documentary all on the angel talk, right?

00:35:55.580 About they're all basically angels.

00:35:57.100 Well, I found out, I found out that, that, um, a lot of the upper tier of ufology, UFO

00:36:03.060 disclosure are Christian mystics, like, or, or Jewish mystics.

00:36:07.620 They're really into, um, they're really into esoteric Rosicrucianism, right?

00:36:13.200 Like that, that, that specific thing, Rosicrucianism and Rosicrucianists, they, they trace their origins

00:36:19.140 all the way back to Egypt, but they came out in prominence, like in the 1700s, um, with some

00:36:24.100 like kind of really mystical stuff, right?

00:36:25.960 You had Rudolf Steiner in Austria, who was like a student of Helena Blavatsky and they

00:36:30.820 introduced all this channeling stuff.

00:36:32.440 They introduced Atlantis and, and this fed into Edgar Cayce's work.

00:36:36.540 Right.

00:36:36.920 And so I started to pick up on, cause I listened, I had to listen to everyone talk, right?

00:36:41.640 I love videos.

00:36:43.040 I hate reading.

00:36:43.800 So I would, to ingest all this stuff, I would listen, you know, like, and so I would pick

00:36:48.920 up on, did that guy, did, did Jim Simivan just say that he was at the R?

00:36:54.620 Institute.

00:36:55.300 That's Edgar Cayce's Institute in Virginia beach.

00:36:57.580 Well, that's also where like Ryan graves was flying that jet and saw those, those crafts

00:37:03.120 were kept getting spotted.

00:37:04.280 Like, that's weird.

00:37:05.240 Why, why the connection with Edgar Cayce?

00:37:07.100 So Edgar Cayce represents a ton of ideas and, and whatever.

00:37:11.760 And I would, I'm like, wait, those sounds a lot like Chris Bledsoe, like the way, you

00:37:16.860 know, then I kept tying it together.

00:37:18.280 I realized, um, in an interview with Diana Pasolka, um, on Joe Rogan, she just made the

00:37:24.200 statement.

00:37:24.520 She said that, um, uh, Jacques Vallée and J. Allen Hynek were both devout Rosicrucians.

00:37:32.020 And that, that for me, I was like, okay, what's going on?

00:37:35.360 And so I said, the producer for, um, no, no, that's Diana, that's Diana Powell.

00:37:42.380 Diana Pasolka is the author of the book American Cosmic.

00:37:45.800 Uh, and that blew up the whole idea of blending religious experiences from the past within

00:37:51.320 the Vatican record and even modern history with UFO experiences.

00:37:55.100 Yeah.

00:37:55.580 Chris Bledsoe, Tim Taylor type stuff.

00:37:57.380 If you're familiar with those names, like, yes.

00:37:59.500 Yeah.

00:37:59.900 And she's also the, she's the professor of religious studies at South university of South

00:38:03.800 Carolina.

00:38:04.580 Also getting feel money, by the way, probably is, but she's a big player.

00:38:09.400 And for her to say that on the show, and she was like, listen, everything that I say,

00:38:12.980 I've backed up and the people who were there, like, uh, who I mentioned her on Rogan, by

00:38:17.440 the way, too, you know that, right?

00:38:18.320 Tupa, he brought her up.

00:38:19.480 Oh, that makes total sense.

00:38:20.640 He's like, well, you could go to Pasolka line of thought and it's angels and demons.

00:38:24.160 Well, because she was able to, you know, with her book and with academic, you know, prowess

00:38:29.180 or whatever, that's not the right word, but she was able to, with that book really introduced

00:38:33.160 to the, into like the mainstream UFO field and, and I guess, pop culture, the idea that

00:38:39.300 there is a foundation to work from that aliens and angels or alien experiences and, uh, these

00:38:45.580 religious experiences have a correlation.

00:38:48.040 There's a crossover there.

00:38:49.080 Yeah.

00:38:49.260 She didn't say what it was or why, but she introduced that.

00:38:51.700 I'm not trying to throw shade at her either, but she's not the first person to do that.

00:38:54.860 And so like, I agree with what you're saying Tupa, but you got to recognize like, why is

00:38:57.580 she a person who's saying something that's not new?

00:39:00.300 People have been saying UFOs are angels and demons since the thousand percent, thousand

00:39:03.540 percent, but it feels kind of artificial.

00:39:05.160 It feels a little, it is, well, she's a, she's a member and this is why it's important.

00:39:09.100 She's a member of something called the invisible college, which is a Rosicrucian offshoot.

00:39:13.420 It's a think tank and any Rosicrucian think tank is, is basically meant in their philosophy

00:39:18.680 to push society forward through different means, right?

00:39:21.680 Not through indirect means influences.

00:39:24.180 Uh, and so that's one of the things like this idea of a time wave, um, they get together

00:39:29.260 like, so in this think tank of the invisible college, if you haven't heard about this, Jacques

00:39:33.120 Filet wrote a book called the invisible college, but, uh, you know, we know that people are

00:39:37.520 in it.

00:39:38.160 Um, it's not secret and it's not like that, but you know, it's just this kind of like

00:39:41.260 intellectual group, uh, Diana Pasoka, Jacques Filet, Gary Nolan.

00:39:45.140 Um, you know, you'd have to imagine even people like Stephen Greer, right.

00:39:49.540 All right.

00:39:49.780 Uh, uh, Leslie Keen, uh, Robert Bigelow, right.

00:39:54.240 Pan of the list probably goes on, right.

00:39:55.800 But it's this core group that have kind of also been co-opted by Rothschild, right?

00:39:59.940 Like Rockefeller, Rocco.

00:40:02.060 Oh, that's what I meant.

00:40:02.620 Rockefeller.

00:40:03.440 Um, and then even within this UAP disclosure movement that came about from possibly Podesta

00:40:08.680 and Clinton, you know, you have this syncing up with this group specifically.

00:40:13.020 Uh, so there's an element there, but yeah, these, the, the, the Rosicrucian religious

00:40:17.700 Christianity is actually there in ufology from the top down, but it's hidden.

00:40:22.980 And I don't know why, but I put a documentary out about all the evidence I could find about

00:40:26.860 it and like how those, how new age ufology is actually lined up perfectly with Rosicrucian

00:40:33.680 and, and the hiddenness is the sketch part, right?

00:40:36.060 It's almost like, there's also like what he said, there's also a Scientology kind of weird

00:40:39.400 through line with a lot of these people and figures and like belief systems.

00:40:42.240 And it's like, I wouldn't necessarily care if they were just like out in the open with

00:40:45.700 this shit, but when they, when they do this hidden stuff with it and it's like, oh, you

00:40:48.340 guys are all like really Rosicrucians.

00:40:49.520 You guys are all going to Esalen and half of you guys are getting feel money and not telling

00:40:52.380 us like, I'm not saying I'm not absolving them from it, but I, I, I do, I've learned

00:40:58.400 something at, you know, throughout my life as a conspiracy theorist.

00:41:01.740 And it's like the vast majority of people, not only are they not keen to these things,

00:41:07.260 they're like to some degree unwilling to see it.

00:41:09.660 And then you look at the, the low level crap that they engage in.

00:41:14.440 And I think that that eventually turns into like, these people don't need to know.

00:41:18.420 Why do they need to know?

00:41:19.280 It's, it's the unthinking masses, I think is how they look at us.

00:41:23.040 And, uh, and so they, you know, to obfuscate their true nature from us is, is to say almost

00:41:28.420 in their mind, like, would you, would you, would you reveal your true nature to a monkey?

00:41:32.940 You know what I mean?

00:41:33.400 Like, it's, it's almost like that.

00:41:34.440 Cause they look at us like, like Goyim, right?

00:41:36.580 I mean, if you look at the, uh, the Epstein files, you know, you mentioned something too

00:41:41.320 about Podesta and Hillary Clinton rebranding this thing and, and pushing for UAP disclosure.

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00:42:18.100 Um, it's interesting that the last time that really happened was kind of at the precipice

00:42:22.900 of, you know, this whole phenomenon, right?

00:42:25.820 Pizzagate, et cetera.

00:42:27.300 Um, and I think that kind of does bleed into this, this bigger picture that I want to get

00:42:32.200 into.

00:42:32.940 And I'm trying to think of how I want to kick this off.

00:42:34.660 So, well, before you go there, I, I just want to say I have been a little bit like perturbed

00:42:40.340 lately because what, with what, what are you perturbed with?

00:42:44.620 I just, this, the scope of this, of this entire thing, it is, it's, it's bugging me too.

00:42:49.740 Because I mean, you can, you can be guys that make videos and documentaries online, or you

00:42:55.400 can guys, you can be guys who fucking bullshit into a microphone and say really nothing all

00:42:59.140 day.

00:42:59.460 Right.

00:42:59.700 But, but there is somebody, there's some sort of government actor activated to go and either

00:43:05.880 defame you, debunk you, uh, just pull the carpet from underneath you, whatever, whatever they're

00:43:12.040 trying to do.

00:43:12.680 And like, you guys have done that successfully.

00:43:14.620 And I think you've done it at a much better level than us because you're talking directly

00:43:18.280 at this thing with like facts and logic.

00:43:20.380 Yeah.

00:43:20.580 We're saying a lot of bullshit and we still got targeted by what is becoming even more,

00:43:25.880 ever more clear every day.

00:43:27.260 Like, I'm like, fuck man, that guy might be working for the government in some kind

00:43:31.620 of fashion.

00:43:32.020 And like, we probably just turned over a leaf or like we turned something over accidentally

00:43:37.580 that we're not supposed to.

00:43:39.660 Well, what you guys did is you, there's a narrative.

00:43:42.100 We're talking about narrative control and you guys injected comedy to the point where

00:43:45.920 it made their narrative look stupid.

00:43:47.820 Is that what happened?

00:43:48.900 Because you guys got attacked.

00:43:51.320 You got attacked.

00:43:52.160 I mean, can you tell us about that?

00:43:54.480 Yeah.

00:43:54.640 I mean, it goes, it goes back and forth for sure.

00:43:58.580 Go ahead.

00:43:59.300 Yeah.

00:44:00.040 And then she will go to, but I, so I can, I come into the topic, right?

00:44:04.060 2017 all wide.

00:44:04.920 I'd like, Oh, excited.

00:44:05.980 Like, Oh, there's this guy, Lou Elizondo.

00:44:07.240 He seems like a Patriot.

00:44:08.440 I was all loo crew for a bit there too.

00:44:10.320 But then over time I learned that there's this really gross mechanism, narrative control.

00:44:13.700 It sounds like maybe you guys are brushing about it a little bit.

00:44:15.640 I'm not too familiar with Albarino though.

00:44:16.820 So I don't necessarily want to cast him there.

00:44:18.300 Although he has totally downplayed the harassment, which I find very sus because anyone looking

00:44:22.480 at it, but basically like.

00:44:25.080 Whistleblowers, experiencers, there's these like weird lines that aren't really clearly

00:44:28.460 defined only in the sense of the responses by like these bad actors to them.

00:44:32.980 But if you cross them, like, yeah, you'll get.

00:44:35.180 So something that will be harassed docs that our family put out there recently, because

00:44:38.640 we got uncovered some shit about this network doing it to crush.

00:44:41.200 They, they were sending dossiers of our families where our families live to like literally

00:44:44.680 suicidal people in the hope that they like, and these are people directly connected

00:44:47.740 to Lou Elizondo, right?

00:44:48.700 It's so hard to explain.

00:44:49.540 So what is it that, that you think was the, like the core of what you were saying that

00:44:57.020 led to that?

00:44:57.660 I mean, you're saying they, they, they got dossiers on your family and I saw that you

00:45:01.420 were posting about this, releasing it to unstable people, unstable people who, if they get that

00:45:06.560 kind of information addresses and such are actually likely to do something.

00:45:10.360 They literally said they were suicidal.

00:45:11.840 They were just taken to a mental thing.

00:45:13.040 I think it's because of me and Tupa.

00:45:14.880 So a lot of people brush up against this in various different ways.

00:45:17.760 There's, there's like some of the biotech stuff they don't like, but me and Tupa, we

00:45:22.100 go head on, on just the fact that this even exists.

00:45:24.480 And a lot of people, they'll brush up against this and they'll kind of like turn the other

00:45:27.140 cheek or they'll kind of like back off that thing.

00:45:29.260 And we're just kind of like, no, fuck you.

00:45:30.520 Like pick the scab, pick the scab, pick the scab.

00:45:32.780 And I think that's why they hate us like more than most.

00:45:35.620 And they put a lot of effort to try and like get us de-platformed, demonetized.

00:45:39.280 They're doing psycho shit like these dossiers.

00:45:40.860 I was kicked off YouTube for like six months last year, I think partially because of this

00:45:44.620 kind of stuff.

00:45:46.800 And I think it's just because we call out the main mechanism.

00:45:49.100 What do you think it is Tupa?

00:45:49.760 Why, why do they hate us?

00:45:50.740 Oh, and also we're news accounts too, right?

00:45:52.220 So, I mean, this, this, this past two days is a great example.

00:45:56.120 I mean, the Epstein shit, our engagement, we've, we're both in like a lot of engagement the

00:46:00.760 past few days, right?

00:46:01.560 And even before that, there's not many of these news accounts and a lot of people don't have

00:46:05.760 time to watch long form podcasts.

00:46:06.840 So, especially once we became news accounts that also weren't afraid to call out directly

00:46:11.500 some of this crazy shit going on, they hate us.

00:46:14.400 Yeah.

00:46:15.500 What do you think Tupa?

00:46:16.960 I mean, I think that's a lot of it too, right?

00:46:19.220 And I like, you know, I don't, I'm not going to take the story way back, but like, you know,

00:46:24.080 Panda came, I came into the topic through Panda's work.

00:46:27.320 His YouTube channel is what I discovered like in during like, I don't know what was going

00:46:32.120 on.

00:46:32.300 It must've been 2019 or something, right?

00:46:34.520 2020, right before COVID.

00:46:37.000 And I was like, these are awesome.

00:46:38.560 And then I found myself in a discord.

00:46:40.640 I got invited there through some other researcher.

00:46:43.380 And I'd never been part of a community of people doing stuff before, but I've blown

00:46:46.920 the whole pandas in there and I'm talking about pandas videos.

00:46:49.800 So like being able, the idea of wanting to create content was always in my mind.

00:46:53.860 Like that's how, that's how you make a splash in here.

00:46:55.880 You know what I mean?

00:46:56.320 And I think being able to create it at the level Panda does and that the level I was able

00:47:01.040 to achieve is like, that's a big amount of influence.

00:47:04.680 Right.

00:47:04.840 And so coming into this community and having any influence at all on, you know, I didn't

00:47:11.480 know this, but you're going to get kind of swarmed by people who really want to push that influence

00:47:15.180 for this or that reason.

00:47:16.420 And it's not normal.

00:47:17.520 Like I've, that's, this is totally abnormal, but I had people calling me, you know, who were

00:47:22.360 like, Hey, you'd never go on this podcast.

00:47:23.840 Right.

00:47:24.180 Like Lou wouldn't like that.

00:47:25.580 And I'm like, who the fuck are you?

00:47:26.740 Like, why are you even, how'd you get my phone number?

00:47:29.360 Like this happened a lot.

00:47:30.800 It happened more.

00:47:31.620 It happened a lot.

00:47:32.840 Let me look at that a little bit closer.

00:47:34.520 You're getting phone calls.

00:47:35.960 I imagine you don't know who the number is.

00:47:37.060 You're picking it up and they're saying kind of like backhanded, suggestive shit, like

00:47:42.080 passive aggressive.

00:47:42.820 Like you would never do this thing.

00:47:45.400 Elizondo wouldn't like that.

00:47:47.580 Is that was the main point of a, most of the weird calls and contact I would get.

00:47:51.820 I got, this is before we were really took it on head on.

00:47:54.080 This is when tuba started realizing there's something going on here.

00:47:56.500 There's something where before we like really pulled back the onion, but yeah, in terms

00:47:59.500 of timeline, like I just came in and started making content panels, making content and

00:48:03.040 I was doing spaces.

00:48:03.920 I was hosting spaces and that was new and I was people, experiences were coming in unfiltered

00:48:09.280 and we were finding out a ton of shit.

00:48:11.080 Right.

00:48:11.780 So I was getting approached by people and I didn't realize what was happening at the time,

00:48:15.940 but I knew that they were trying to like, try to pimp me out, you know, like there's

00:48:19.780 only one, they didn't really, I, it would, their level of street knowledge was very low,

00:48:23.960 like street smarts.

00:48:25.000 And they would call me and they would try to push me like, like that.

00:48:27.840 Like you wouldn't go on this podcast, would you?

00:48:29.800 Cause that guy like betrayed Lou or, you know, I'd get DMS.

00:48:33.580 Hey, you should put a copyright strike against this guy.

00:48:35.740 He's trying to go after Lou's family.

00:48:37.880 And I'm like, who are you?

00:48:39.520 What is this?

00:48:40.220 Like, and that was like the beginning of it.

00:48:43.540 And over the course of my first year in the, on Twitter, um, I had made a little bit of

00:48:49.080 a splash, but I had never bent the knee to that direction.

00:48:52.300 And after about a year of it, it was like go time.

00:48:56.000 And they worked, they decided that I was going to get canceled and they, it was an interesting

00:49:01.900 thing.

00:49:02.220 I don't know exactly why or how, but everyone tried to kind of push it.

00:49:04.980 And that's how we became aware of the, of how bad this was.

00:49:09.040 Yeah.

00:49:09.440 So we looked around and saw this.

00:49:10.960 Oh, this is this exact thing that happened to plenty of people before.

00:49:13.380 So we just didn't really take the time to notice or look at, and it still happened to

00:49:16.580 people after us.

00:49:17.220 And we're like, Oh no, this is wrong.

00:49:18.580 And another dynamic I played too, is there's this whole like plateau or plomo kind of element

00:49:22.240 where it's like, there's like carrot stick, right?

00:49:24.900 So it's like, there's the incentive of like, you're going to start getting harassed unless

00:49:28.120 you start doing this.

00:49:28.840 But then on the other end too, which I think Timothy Albarino falls into respectfully and some

00:49:33.320 of these other bigger content creators, some of these people, they have a Lou interview on

00:49:36.760 you run that through chat, GBT, the views they got, that's a $20,000 interview.

00:49:40.740 They had, they're talking to Lou for two hours.

00:49:42.740 Right.

00:49:43.720 You know, no, I'm not trying to put it on blast, but Chris Ramsey, I ran his analytics and

00:49:47.180 chat, GBT.

00:49:47.740 And his one was, um, about, they said like 10 to 20 grand he probably got for the interview.

00:49:52.480 So he's kind of not doing it as much anymore.

00:49:54.760 And I'm not trying to talk shit about anyone.

00:49:56.080 I'm just, this is a fact of the reality is like, there's a monetary incentive for this

00:49:59.660 too, which is basically just mockingbird, which again, it's like the narrative control

00:50:02.540 stuff I talked about.

00:50:03.200 Like in the fifties and sixties, the same thing was happening, but now it's just on podcasts

00:50:07.660 where, you know what, you're not going to talk about X, Y, Z, and you're going to have

00:50:11.300 Lou on, you're going to have Gary Nolan on, you're going to have, you're going to have

00:50:13.740 the whole network and they're going to talk about this and you're going to get this much

00:50:16.900 money each time you have these people on.

00:50:18.620 Right.

00:50:18.720 And if you don't, you're going to, you're going to get all that money cut out.

00:50:21.600 So that's why people like at the time he was, it seems like he's not anymore.

00:50:24.760 Chris Ramsey was like, well, why does it matter that Lou shared a fake photo?

00:50:27.660 Like, just give him a break guys.

00:50:29.120 Timothy, that's the consensus about like, you know, that's one of the things that looks like

00:50:33.880 this group does is they court, um, content creators and then they boost them.

00:50:38.140 They boost the ones they can control.

00:50:39.500 And doesn't that make the most sense?

00:50:40.900 Wouldn't you do that?

00:50:41.580 And so they boost the ones with the, that they can control the most by making sure that

00:50:45.740 the people within this group, the inner circle, the ones who are really good guests that get

00:50:49.760 the most views are going to go on your channel.

00:50:51.960 And what we've discovered is there's a concerted effort to make sure these guys don't go on

00:50:55.720 anyone's channel who don't toe the line.

00:50:58.280 And, and if you cross one, there's going to be a P a network of people through a second

00:51:03.080 or third degree who are going to be contacting everyone, everyone and tell them don't go on

00:51:08.180 this guy's show.

00:51:08.780 I mean, it's kind of just happening to you guys, right?

00:51:10.360 Tons of lies.

00:51:12.060 I'm not going on the show.

00:51:13.480 I recommend no one goes on this guy's show.

00:51:15.960 No, we have, we have a, we have a record.

00:51:17.900 We have record of this happening multiple times.

00:51:20.000 It's one of the, we have people on the inside too, saying there's signal chats of all these

00:51:22.920 big names of what shows to go on and whatnot.

00:51:24.780 And also real, we were able to go back before we ever showed up on the scene and go through

00:51:30.200 the record of Twitter because we were able to identify the people responsible.

00:51:33.120 And we were able to find multiple instances of this exact thing before us.

00:51:37.440 And it happened so much while we were, while we were watching it, that we were able to

00:51:41.560 then make predictions.

00:51:42.580 And it's those predictions that we were able to make in real time that led to the kinds

00:51:46.920 of humor and means that really cut these guys deep.

00:51:49.520 Cause like we were able to call out what they were about to do.

00:51:52.700 That's how you, that's how formulaic.

00:51:54.100 We're, we are retarded.

00:51:56.220 This is not even the first time this has happened.

00:51:58.220 This is that.

00:51:59.000 And it's also like unaware of it though.

00:52:00.580 I'm just like going through.

00:52:01.480 No, we all were too.

00:52:02.320 I was like, Oh, I'm going to talk about UFOs and have fun online.

00:52:04.920 It's still, it's like, no, actually, you know, the UFO topic is the most cult prone

00:52:08.080 topic in like American subculture history.

00:52:10.080 And it's full of fucking weird, shady counterintel fucks who like will literally send dossiers

00:52:14.380 of your family to suicidal people.

00:52:16.100 You know what I mean?

00:52:16.900 Well, you know what they're describing?

00:52:18.320 They're describing exactly what I, I'm going to go ahead and say it.

00:52:21.980 I don't give a shit.

00:52:22.420 But they're, they're, they're describing exactly what blurry creatures are doing.

00:52:25.380 Well, even before this, I mean, you guys don't, don't know this, but I used to be like more

00:52:28.820 in the political realm and doing stuff there and having fun there.

00:52:32.680 You're describing what Tim pool said to me.

00:52:34.760 This was like, yeah, I was like, Hey Tim, I've been on your show.

00:52:37.660 I fucking know you.

00:52:38.320 I'm like, Hey, you're kind of carrying water for the Jews right now.

00:52:40.720 And he's like, he's like, you need to stop.

00:52:43.060 And I'm just like, I don't think I'm going to stop.

00:52:44.920 I'm going to keep saying it because you fucking keep doing it, dude.

00:52:47.440 And then at some point he goes, he goes, you're going to ruin all of your

00:52:51.400 connections with, and I was like, I'm going to burn every bridge, you know, all that shit.

00:52:55.020 And I go, Tim, I don't give a fuck about these connections.

00:52:57.480 These people suck.

00:52:58.820 And then he goes, you're just too retarded to stop.

00:53:00.760 And that's like, that's like my motto.

00:53:02.240 Yeah.

00:53:02.500 And you guys in a sense are too retarded to stop.

00:53:04.720 Yeah.

00:53:05.360 I'm proud of it.

00:53:06.320 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:07.220 I am too retarded to stop this.

00:53:08.260 I mean, this is probably the third or fourth time I've been warned in like, not so, or

00:53:12.440 like, like even like, well, now it's been warned against us.

00:53:15.960 We've been given like, like approach to like, Hey, how about this?

00:53:18.280 Why do you do this?

00:53:18.780 I'm like, we're just too retarded to realize it was happening.

00:53:22.140 Well, I mean, we realized we're like, but I'm going to do the opposite.

00:53:24.340 You realized it.

00:53:25.080 You broke the news to me like way later on down the line.

00:53:27.260 And I was like, somebody gave us, somebody gave me a, like an opportunity to host their show.

00:53:31.220 And we're live at Planet Fitness.

00:53:33.880 Here's Natalie Spooner firing up the battle ropes.

00:53:37.080 That's a hat trick of reps right there.

00:53:38.900 Now over to Emma Malte with the Hack Squad.

00:53:41.520 Talk about team carrying strength.

00:53:43.400 And here comes Emily Clark going for a new PR.

00:53:46.500 She lights the lamp with that lift.

00:53:48.340 Wow.

00:53:49.020 What a workout, folks.

00:53:50.340 Hard to believe you get all of that with one membership.

00:53:52.900 Get started for $1 enrollment and then $15 a month.

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00:53:57.260 $49 annual fee applies.

00:53:58.820 Planet Fitness, the official gym of Hockey Canada.

00:54:02.240 And like, hey, host it.

00:54:03.320 Like, basically, it was a tryout.

00:54:04.600 Basically, we would have been a door to be a red pill, you know, conservative influencer.

00:54:08.560 Yeah, yeah.

00:54:08.960 So I invited a couple of my shitbag friends and we just did like the worst sort of comedy

00:54:13.600 you could.

00:54:14.180 Hijack this dude show.

00:54:15.380 But like, I realized what you're doing here and I'm not going to play your game ever.

00:54:20.500 And it's like, that's why I reached out to you guys.

00:54:22.040 It's too tempting.

00:54:23.040 They can't pass it up.

00:54:24.440 I saw that.

00:54:25.340 We're going to do that thing of like, don't go on these guys show.

00:54:27.160 And I was like, what the hell is this about?

00:54:28.480 And that's why I don't know if you remember that.

00:54:29.860 When that happened, I was like, well, you know, Timothy Albarino's got billionaires.

00:54:32.360 I was like, and you know, Timothy Albarino said so about harassment.

00:54:35.560 That's why I was trying to throw you guys some money.

00:54:36.480 So I was like, it's happened before too.

00:54:37.760 It happened with Vetted.

00:54:38.400 That's how we kind of got to know Vetted too.

00:54:39.960 It's funny.

00:54:40.680 You're another person we met kind of through this mechanism where we saw Vetted on the

00:54:43.700 periphery.

00:54:44.220 And, you know, a thing that sucks too about because we because we're so like zero fucks

00:54:48.140 about it.

00:54:48.500 People, they'll harass people who just even get close to us.

00:54:50.180 So I kind of try and like put walls around myself and stuff because I just don't want

00:54:53.000 anyone else to get caught up in that bullshit.

00:54:54.420 But it was happening to Vetted.

00:54:55.900 Remember, Tupo?

00:54:56.260 And they're like, oh, here we go.

00:54:57.360 Here's the here's a little narrative control mechanism coming from Vetted.

00:55:00.120 And they're putting his criminal record out.

00:55:02.100 It's everyone.

00:55:03.100 It's everyone.

00:55:04.240 And and the longer this has gone on, the more we make friends with people who are seeing

00:55:08.540 it.

00:55:08.860 And then the more people talk about it.

00:55:10.480 So the more people talk about it, the more people get attacked.

00:55:13.600 And it's so like you're going to see more of the same effort.

00:55:16.460 So now it has an impact where it's like the people who are on the outside of it.

00:55:20.300 Those are you really want to talk to.

00:55:21.660 You don't want to talk to the people who are like put their tail between their legs.

00:55:24.300 OK, I'll do whatever narrative you say, Lou.

00:55:26.400 No, you're like zero fucks.

00:55:28.220 Yeah.

00:55:28.740 Yeah.

00:55:29.360 It encumbers your ability to think critically.

00:55:31.780 Right.

00:55:31.980 So if you're making connections and you're too afraid to like deviate off this path, there

00:55:36.160 are important connections.

00:55:37.360 You're just never going to touch.

00:55:38.340 Look at what we fucking learned.

00:55:39.540 Hold on.

00:55:40.020 Wait.

00:55:40.160 Let's get 2020.

00:55:41.140 I'm sorry.

00:55:41.400 If you're wearing a mask, if you're going to comply, like at the end of every show,

00:55:46.320 I tell the audience, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

00:55:49.180 If you're a huge faggot, go ahead and do that.

00:55:51.260 I'm reminding you of what they did.

00:55:53.280 So whenever, yes, when someone comes and says, hey, do this and then I'll give you this.

00:55:57.000 Hey, qui bono, let's play.

00:55:58.520 Like, no, dude.

00:55:59.260 It's funny, though, because it's never that straightforward that they're going to come

00:56:03.140 out and just say that they're going to give you subtle signs.

00:56:05.620 And like and I'm just too stupid to ever see those subtle signs.

00:56:08.220 So I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing.

00:56:09.240 But like with with I'm going to bring it up again.

00:56:12.120 I don't give a shit.

00:56:13.260 The Blurry Creatures dudes are behaving exactly like what they said, right?

00:56:16.480 Where it's like if you deviate from the narrative, we're not going to have you on the show.

00:56:19.980 So all these people that we've discovered that they either pulled their episodes or,

00:56:24.220 you know, they recorded with them and just never aired the episodes.

00:56:26.660 We're talking about like at least listen to it's going to cost them five grand to record

00:56:29.940 an episode at least a professional film crew.

00:56:32.440 You're flying people in and out hotels.

00:56:33.960 And the thing that they're saying is that these things are demonic and they're like,

00:56:39.580 OK, well, that's the conspiracy.

00:56:41.700 Let's add to the conspiracy a little bit more.

00:56:43.760 Three days before Timothy Albarino attacked us on Twitter for no reason, they started following

00:56:48.680 me.

00:56:49.600 Their Twitter started following me.

00:56:50.800 And I was like, oh, pretty cool.

00:56:51.900 Like within the space of podcasts that I do like similar content.

00:56:56.140 Yeah.

00:56:56.320 Big podcast.

00:56:56.940 They follow me.

00:56:57.560 Then three days later, he goes, yeah, you know, if you think aliens are demons, you're

00:57:01.340 retarded and then that's how like this snowballs and obviously we play back with them and we

00:57:05.520 do it all wrong.

00:57:06.520 We don't do it the way it's supposed to happen.

00:57:08.620 We're supposed to be logical and, you know, like bring your facts and bring your facts.

00:57:14.600 We turned them into a cat.

00:57:16.040 We made fun of them.

00:57:18.060 Oh, my God.

00:57:18.840 So, yeah.

00:57:19.240 But yeah, people are completely ill equipped.

00:57:21.260 The government is ill equipped to deal with comedy.

00:57:22.980 And I think because in essence, the government is kind of evil and comedy when it's coming from

00:57:28.500 a good spot, there is something bright about it.

00:57:30.880 There's like a light that you can't replicate.

00:57:33.100 Well, OK, so so this narrative that you guys interrupted, I want to talk about the nature

00:57:38.400 of it, how it plays out now within the UFO space for a long time.

00:57:43.100 And I'm sure both of you guys are aware, Penda, if you've been doing this for a while, you're

00:57:46.600 going to know exactly what this is.

00:57:48.840 But the Galactic Federation of Light now.

00:57:51.920 Now, this narrative plays out just like QAnon.

00:57:55.620 And the elements of it are it's an anonymous source on the Internet.

00:58:01.920 It's new agey.

00:58:03.520 It's a it's a federation that's made up of a bunch of different representatives from each

00:58:08.300 alien race.

00:58:09.100 They're worried about us.

00:58:10.560 They're worried about the direction the Earth is going.

00:58:12.920 They're worried about.

00:58:13.500 And this is this comes through channeling.

00:58:15.320 This is the whoever's typing this out, you know, is channeling or whatever.

00:58:17.860 They're they're worried about the direction the Earth is going in.

00:58:20.360 They're worried that we're being, you know, suppressed by satanic forces or, you know,

00:58:26.080 evil forces and just hold on because they're going to liberate us.

00:58:30.980 And, you know, in other words, patriots are in control.

00:58:33.720 Right.

00:58:34.180 And it's the same thing.

00:58:36.360 It's the same thing that Anonymous did.

00:58:38.320 Right.

00:58:38.560 It's like this weird shit that we've been subjected to the last like 20 years.

00:58:41.340 Be passively submissive.

00:58:42.780 Yes, be passively submissive and people that are way beyond your capabilities have this

00:58:50.200 thing covered.

00:58:51.300 Anonymous used to say, expect us.

00:58:53.500 Right.

00:58:53.720 It's the same thing as patriots are in control.

00:58:56.400 We're coming to the rescue.

00:58:58.180 You interrupted sort of that.

00:59:00.420 You took this thing that they've been building for a long time.

00:59:03.320 Galactic Federation of Light videos have been annoying of you guys.

00:59:05.700 Yeah, it's really rude.

00:59:07.480 Those videos have been on the Internet since like 2000.

00:59:10.200 Since the Internet was the Internet, those videos have been on here.

00:59:13.320 And that was a really slow buildup because a lot of what they're saying, there's a coming

00:59:17.540 sometimes they'll say there's a coming calamity.

00:59:19.900 Oh, that's huge in this whole thing.

00:59:21.600 This 2027 thing.

00:59:23.000 Very cool.

00:59:23.440 Everything's the best.

00:59:25.440 Yeah.

00:59:26.340 I've seen people, it's literally like Scientology where I know other content creators who it's

00:59:29.900 like you get to a certain level, you go to an event after one of the big things,

00:59:33.540 and they tell you like the world's going to end on this date.

00:59:36.360 And it's like a way to activate people.

00:59:38.100 This is all culty.

00:59:39.380 And that's why I think we kind of stand out so much.

00:59:41.000 And like people like you and stuff.

00:59:42.080 That's how I came across you guys.

00:59:42.920 It's like when you're not, most people aren't really like cult brain like that.

00:59:46.340 And like a lot of it comes off as like Scientology-esque when they're all about it.

00:59:50.600 Yeah.

00:59:51.080 Well, the topic is like it's, you know, it's just you're getting people already that are

00:59:56.580 filtered down into this very niche UFO topic who are willing to talk about it online,

01:00:01.080 who are willing to spend their own time looking into it.

01:00:03.800 Like that's pretty that you're primed for that kind of stuff.

01:00:06.600 Why are you looking into this?

01:00:07.560 Are you looking for a higher power?

01:00:08.880 Are you looking for meaning?

01:00:10.000 Is there not a lot of meaning in your life?

01:00:11.500 These are constants with people who fall into rabbit holes, right?

01:00:14.640 Like we could be self-aware, right?

01:00:16.280 Like, you know what I mean?

01:00:16.820 We might not be all cracked out in a basement, but like we're still looking at these rabbit

01:00:20.900 holes.

01:00:21.160 We know, you know, the conspiracy circles.

01:00:22.940 And I think it becomes a thing where you do all these loyalty tests.

01:00:27.080 Like I was called, right?

01:00:28.420 Hey, you wouldn't do that, would you?

01:00:30.140 And then what the question is, is really is you want to be on Lou's good side because

01:00:33.940 then you're going to get the good stuff.

01:00:35.500 You're going to get the good information.

01:00:36.820 And for me and Panda, it's like, I don't want any information.

01:00:40.140 I don't want that information.

01:00:41.160 I don't want to.

01:00:41.900 I don't want any information on my phone or on that.

01:00:44.320 That's where the manipulation that I can't talk about.

01:00:46.320 If I must talk about it, what's the point of having it?

01:00:48.660 So we can go on a back channel and be like, oh my God.

01:00:50.860 And it looked like it already looked like a point of manipulation because the people

01:00:54.480 who were in these circles to huge red flags, they acted crazy online.

01:00:59.240 They were like, you know, bizarrely like, like low brow.

01:01:03.460 Their humor was vulgar.

01:01:04.620 Their social skills were just off.

01:01:06.260 Like weird people.

01:01:07.680 Yes, exactly.

01:01:08.660 And so those are the people surrounding and insulating this group the most.

01:01:12.260 And that was a big tell.

01:01:13.340 That's one of the things that was like, wait, why are these big guys like Nolan and

01:01:17.480 Elizondo connected to these people at all?

01:01:19.520 Like what the hell?

01:01:20.320 Like these people are going to damage their reputation, but there was never a distancing.

01:01:24.280 There was always a moving closer.

01:01:26.260 And that was one of those like tells like, what the hell is this?

01:01:29.860 Well, something interesting that I noticed is like there really is besides the nature of

01:01:34.680 like QAnon versus the Galactic Federation of Light or Anonymous or, you know, I'm sure

01:01:38.820 there's more examples.

01:01:41.480 There's been a strange convergence and, you know, it plays right into the narrative control

01:01:46.240 thing and it's these Epstein files.

01:01:48.280 And of course, Epstein being a, you know, a real component of QAnon, Q was kind of like

01:01:54.680 releasing this information to the public pre-2019, pre the shutdown.

01:02:01.380 And now all of a sudden we're finding out that Epstein somehow, you know, finding out is

01:02:07.860 a strong word because I've been saying on the show, there's no convictions, right?

01:02:11.420 This is thousands of documents released to the DOJ.

01:02:14.700 You can search through them.

01:02:16.640 It hasn't led to any arrests or anything.

01:02:18.520 I know the Clintons are calling for a trial.

01:02:21.900 I'm trying not to jump to any conclusions because I think that, you know, QAnon is a

01:02:26.260 psychological operation to the detriment of the populace.

01:02:30.820 And people go, no, it is a psychological operation to wake up the masses.

01:02:34.340 Like I'm like, no, dude, it's creating a theater, a script for you.

01:02:39.060 And it's giving you your good guys and your bad guys.

01:02:41.680 And, you know, patriots are in control, white hats versus black hats, all that shit.

01:02:45.500 But still within this, this dump of documents, there is a connection to pretty much every

01:02:52.940 conspiracy under the sun, which is bizarre.

01:02:57.060 I mean, it's totally bizarre.

01:02:58.480 It's gotten me to the point where I'm like, I'm missing something because I'm, I'm led

01:03:02.220 to go to a place of vindication and celebration.

01:03:04.900 Like, look how right I was for all these years.

01:03:07.280 And instead I'm like, no, this is not how reality works.

01:03:09.960 You don't have one evil mastermind who's behind every single, you know, bad thing that's ever

01:03:16.180 happened.

01:03:17.980 It's, it's the, it's the story of everything is in these DOJ files, but you guys are finding

01:03:23.800 connections between Epstein and his interest in UAP disclosure.

01:03:28.300 And, um, I, you know, I'm looking at this as, as if it's too good to be true.

01:03:34.160 This sticks out to me as narrative control.

01:03:36.680 It's compelling though.

01:03:37.540 I'm going to keep digging.

01:03:38.260 I'm going to keep talking about it.

01:03:39.460 But what are you guys making of this whole thing?

01:03:42.260 Epstein, his interest in disclosure, what have you, what have you found?

01:03:46.440 And what do you make of it?

01:03:48.760 Yeah.

01:03:49.120 Disclosure kind of goes beyond, um, crafts and bodies, right now they're introducing

01:03:55.020 from the top down, they're introducing concepts of consciousness, right?

01:03:58.780 Remote viewing is becoming more prominent.

01:04:00.840 These ideas are ideas that were carried forth by these groups, right?

01:04:04.180 Uh, how put off an SRI and who's a mentor of Elizondo, who's part of that think tank,

01:04:08.800 the invisible college, they all kind of tie together, very incestuous.

01:04:11.800 Those people also consist of the circular reporting.

01:04:14.840 So someone, one of the, that group will, will cite something and the other part, they won't,

01:04:20.160 you won't know it by the time it gets to you, it was just confirmed by, they were all confirming

01:04:23.480 each other's stories.

01:04:24.240 Right.

01:04:25.000 Um, but yeah, that's, that's one thing to like, kind of consider that, uh, these guys

01:04:30.780 are really trying to push these more esoteric conscious based stuff and that's new age.

01:04:36.360 And there was some interest with Epstein with new age.

01:04:39.300 There was some, like, even in the stuff he talked about.

01:04:41.800 And I don't know if that's something he wanted to present, if that was a true idea of his

01:04:45.620 or not, but it, it ties in with MKUltra and the kinds of stuff that were happening with

01:04:50.800 mind control and with, you know, whatever happened from the fifties to the seventies.

01:04:56.120 Right.

01:04:56.780 Uh, there's, that's what I think the, the major link is.

01:04:59.320 And then from those interests, Panda was able to find people who were like, were part of

01:05:04.680 companies, part of groups.

01:05:06.060 I mean, Jelaine Maxwell's sister is married to, uh, Panda, take it away.

01:05:11.480 Like there, there, it goes, yeah.

01:05:12.800 Frank Molina who are the son of, uh, Frank Molina, uh, who is a friend of like Jack Parsons

01:05:18.720 and Alistair Crowley.

01:05:20.080 Um, but yeah, so like we have the Alex Clocus.

01:05:22.540 Yeah.

01:05:22.780 Right.

01:05:23.320 You're right.

01:05:23.640 I swear.

01:05:23.920 I swear a lot of this stuff is also that the Crowley through line is really deep.

01:05:26.980 There's a lot of really weird undertones here.

01:05:28.860 Crowley.

01:05:30.480 Yeah.

01:05:30.760 David said, uh, as we were looking at the Epstein files and like the, just the breath

01:05:34.600 of it, he was like, this is the modern day Alistair Crowley.

01:05:37.620 And I'm like, I think, I think you're right.

01:05:39.640 Yeah.

01:05:39.820 As far as it literally is.

01:05:41.120 It's our intelligence and shit.

01:05:42.280 Yeah.

01:05:42.600 Yeah.

01:05:42.760 The OTO is part of this.

01:05:44.560 They're meant there.

01:05:45.360 They brought up, they brought up a lot with them.

01:05:47.100 Sex rituals.

01:05:47.860 Yeah.

01:05:48.020 You know what I mean?

01:05:48.740 I mean, Elizondo has friends that are in the OTO talk about all the time.

01:05:52.400 Totally normal.

01:05:53.680 Multiple Satanist friends.

01:05:54.600 But yeah.

01:05:54.800 So what did we find?

01:05:55.500 We found the Clocus one was kind of big, right?

01:05:57.400 Alex Clocus, funder of, uh, telepathy tapes and Skywatcher.

01:06:01.560 You guys remember Skywatcher?

01:06:02.500 If you remember.

01:06:03.440 I'm sure you guys remember Skywatcher, right?

01:06:05.040 I watched them a little bit peripherally.

01:06:06.700 I mean, I'm aware more so of like-

01:06:07.480 This is the Jake Barber.

01:06:08.240 It came out about a year ago.

01:06:09.820 Here's what they were promoting.

01:06:10.980 Yeah, this is consciousness-based.

01:06:12.160 They were basically doing C5.

01:06:13.860 Yeah.

01:06:14.140 Go for it.

01:06:14.440 Yeah.

01:06:15.240 I'm just real quick.

01:06:16.340 What I do know, cause I'm not as big in the UFO scene as you guys.

01:06:19.400 That's why I'm excited that you guys came on.

01:06:21.360 But, uh, we did mention Jake Barber twice when we were talking about this divine feminine

01:06:24.980 aspect.

01:06:26.500 And, uh, Albarino like was not like, I don't know if you, I do so many podcasts, but like

01:06:31.120 when I'm talking to somebody-

01:06:31.980 What was Albarino saying?

01:06:32.180 Yeah.

01:06:32.260 I'm curious.

01:06:32.700 What did he say?

01:06:34.200 He said he's his friend.

01:06:35.420 Well, yeah, but that's the way it was.

01:06:37.200 Like the, so you can, you can say about his emotions, even through his like Zoom or StreamYard.

01:06:42.360 And I'm like, I've gotten very good at that because it's what we do professionally.

01:06:45.620 And yeah, when, when David said it, it was one of those things again, where it's like

01:06:48.680 something we threw out there and we had just had this contentious, like two hours with

01:06:52.780 this motherfucker.

01:06:53.360 And then we're like, let's, let's move something like to something we can agree on.

01:06:57.040 And, and he just says, Jake Barber and this dude, his demeanor again, his countenance

01:07:02.640 drops.

01:07:03.140 Is that's the only-

01:07:03.740 You know what it was?

01:07:04.340 It was like, he's, he's going with us.

01:07:06.060 He's going along with us.

01:07:07.000 And I go, Jake Barber, divine feminine.

01:07:09.080 He's possessed by some sort of goddess spirit.

01:07:10.880 He could hear her voice when he's, and he's like, you know, so, so, um, so, and I'm like,

01:07:16.900 what the fuck is going on?

01:07:18.140 And I'm just like, fucking, of course.

01:07:19.560 And then Epstein Falls comes out.

01:07:20.880 I'm like, yeah, his company is being funded.

01:07:22.680 I'm telling you, I know I'm tired of beating this to death, but I, there's an audience that's

01:07:27.540 listening right now that like, I want to highlight to you guys, there's something wrong with

01:07:32.820 Alvarino.

01:07:33.260 I don't give a shit.

01:07:34.640 I mean, initially it was just like a joke thing.

01:07:36.620 I'm making fun of him for dressing like Indiana Jones and, and saying dumb shit.

01:07:40.360 Like, you know, the alien phenomenon is always spiritual.

01:07:43.320 There's, there's something wrong here.

01:07:46.860 I don't know.

01:07:47.960 The more we look into it, he, he's defending Elizondo in the, you know, on Twitter.

01:07:54.180 He's saying, oh, who cares if he's had, um, big photos and he's harassing people.

01:07:59.340 Yeah.

01:08:00.200 Um, and then he goes, he's like, so.

01:08:03.260 It's like, so it's, it's like such a gay way of doing it.

01:08:06.520 So yeah, yeah, exactly.

01:08:08.320 He's doing the same.

01:08:09.420 He's defending Jake Barber, right?

01:08:11.480 He's working with these guys who are literally gatekeeping anybody that has a difference in

01:08:15.360 narrative.

01:08:15.900 Wait a second.

01:08:16.620 Crazy.

01:08:17.180 All right.

01:08:17.400 Fuck that guy.

01:08:18.520 But so you're saying Skywatch and, and the telepathy tapes are being funded by the same

01:08:24.400 actor.

01:08:25.260 This guy named Alex Clocus and he also did the salt conference and it wasn't one of those

01:08:28.920 others.

01:08:29.360 Let's do an explanation of like what Skywatcher is Skywatch.

01:08:32.240 Cause it's important.

01:08:33.020 Yeah.

01:08:33.140 Like Sky, Skywatcher is a company to disclosure to Skywatcher company came out like maybe

01:08:38.340 a year and a half, two years ago and they came out, they made a big splash through Ross

01:08:43.280 cold hearts reporting on news nation who did like a crazy, like glazing of him.

01:08:48.220 It turns out through the reporting, you find out number one, I think the reporting was mostly

01:08:52.120 scripted.

01:08:52.660 They did an interview.

01:08:53.760 I think that was mostly scripted.

01:08:54.840 Number two, Ross and Barber were, were at a salon, like trying to coax billionaires to

01:09:01.640 give them money for these like projects.

01:09:03.640 And there they had like all these would like a profound experience.

01:09:07.020 So all that happened before this interview, but they came out on this interview and they

01:09:10.680 explained, uh, what they're doing is they're, they're contacting UFOs through psionics, right?

01:09:17.820 Which is psychic powers, which is rebranded and they're piloting the craft.

01:09:21.700 Then they're bringing the craft close so they can be observed.

01:09:24.800 And every time they've filmed these craft, it's a dot of light in the sky.

01:09:28.940 It could easily be a drone.

01:09:29.820 Um, they never, it's never a craft.

01:09:31.980 It's just a point of light.

01:09:33.440 Oftentimes it's been debunked as birds or shit.

01:09:36.060 They should be.

01:09:37.040 Other things they introduced, I think worth noting is they introduced this element of

01:09:39.480 left-handed gay kids or more psychic and very weird.

01:09:44.280 It's not just that like the re like the, those specifics are into Satanism, right?

01:09:48.040 So we know about, I'm sure you guys have studied some of this stuff, right?

01:09:51.220 Within Satanists, like, uh, reports of like the survivors and stuff.

01:09:54.840 They often described child, uh, ritualistic abuse, which was meant to, to create a

01:09:59.600 disassociative, a disassociative state within children.

01:10:01.820 And cause they're easier, the veil, they would call it, the veil is thinner between

01:10:05.980 the other world and our world with kids.

01:10:08.480 So they would traumatize them to the point of being, of making them dissociate.

01:10:12.640 And then they would have become vessels for channeling or whatever.

01:10:16.960 I think I know exactly where this dude's going.

01:10:18.620 Gotta stop because this is a, I wasn't aware of the connection between the telepathy tapes.

01:10:22.160 And I don't know if you guys are aware either, but like, this is a thing that pop,

01:10:25.900 when it popped up, me and David were like, yo, what is this?

01:10:28.680 What's happening here?

01:10:29.980 And at the, at the very bottom of it, I'll just like bury the lead.

01:10:33.040 You have kids who have been given vaccines to force them into a disassociative state.

01:10:39.580 And now the phenomenon is that they can, they can communicate with each other telepathically.

01:10:44.240 Yeah.

01:10:44.600 But of course the telepathy tapes never really mentions how they got this way.

01:10:48.500 It does mention Andreeja Puharic, which is very interesting.

01:10:51.140 It mentions like the experiments that, uh, you know,

01:10:53.540 Lucia Bull had the metal tooth filing in her mouth and she was able to, like, so it'll

01:10:58.280 touch on these things.

01:10:59.180 It mentions, uh, uh, what, what's this guy's name?

01:11:01.880 Rupert, uh, Rupert.

01:11:04.080 Yeah.

01:11:04.500 She was in the files, by the way.

01:11:05.840 You know, he's all over the files talking to Epstein.

01:11:07.260 He declined coming on our show, uh, last year.

01:11:09.800 And now I'm, I'm glad that he did, but also worth mentioning that, uh, the telepathy

01:11:14.220 tapes removed a shit ton of content that talked about Jesus, right?

01:11:18.660 Yeah.

01:11:18.840 I saw you guys posting about that.

01:11:20.320 Yeah.

01:11:20.540 Tell us about that.

01:11:21.000 Yeah.

01:11:21.540 That's weird.

01:11:22.100 One of the books up there about it.

01:11:23.400 Oh, actually that's about one of the nonverbal kids or non-speaking.

01:11:26.860 Well, this guy here, Joseph and Franco was the, he was the pastor that works with the

01:11:31.040 nonverbal autistic kids.

01:11:32.760 And he came on specifically to talk about the connection between Jesus.

01:11:36.260 These, these kids are seeing Jesus.

01:11:37.600 They're talking about Jesus.

01:11:38.460 They're on the Hill.

01:11:39.400 They're communicating with angels in this, like.

01:11:41.440 But Kai Dickens removed all of it.

01:11:43.000 Like, yeah, every, every instance of it.

01:11:45.800 And I'm just like, but, and then, and then she moves it to replace it with like this new

01:11:49.840 age Gnostic message in the end where we all have to ascend.

01:11:53.200 Also, like these kids are bringing us this idea of this calamity that's going to happen

01:11:56.520 to polar shift, yada, yada, you, you name it, same old bullshit.

01:11:59.780 And I'm just like, how the fuck is this?

01:12:03.140 It first off, it's not even a podcast.

01:12:04.780 It's a documentary, but it's only audio.

01:12:07.160 And it dethrones Joe Rogan's podcast as the number one podcast for a long time.

01:12:11.200 And one of the things that we've been saying is what you're witnessing there, when you

01:12:16.260 see these nonverbal autistic kids who have been traumatized and therefore have disassociated

01:12:21.660 to such a degree that they're now displaying supernatural powers, right?

01:12:25.080 You're seeing the, the, the wide scale rollout.

01:12:29.080 We call it the, like a free range MK ultra chickens.

01:12:31.700 Yeah.

01:12:32.160 So MK ultra works.

01:12:33.900 They realize frequency disassociation, you know, implants, all these things work.

01:12:37.680 What if we can get this, um, at scale to the public?

01:12:41.800 And the idea basically is like, if you have heavy metals in your body as a, as a receiver

01:12:46.000 of frequency, right?

01:12:46.900 That's why these aliens are always doing implants and shit.

01:12:49.040 And that way you can telepathically communicate with them very easily.

01:12:52.000 Well, what if you can get it into a tooth and you have the Lucille ball situation?

01:12:55.480 Okay.

01:12:55.980 What now, if you can get it directly into the brain, if we can reduce it to such a level

01:12:59.620 that it's nanoparticles that can cross the blood brain barrier, then we got them.

01:13:03.680 And I think that's exactly what we're seeing here.

01:13:05.180 They have these heavy metals, mercury, et cetera, inside these vaccinations.

01:13:08.940 They are allegedly crossing the blood brain barrier and settling in the brain.

01:13:12.940 And then you're getting high levels of autism and you're getting them communicating with

01:13:16.900 all kinds of entities.

01:13:17.840 It's free range MK ultra victims.

01:13:20.240 What do they say?

01:13:20.680 The entities are, by the way, if they were moving the Jesus element from it, because I

01:13:23.720 haven't really watched all of it to be honest, but they like kind of just pussyfoot around

01:13:27.680 it.

01:13:27.940 They don't know.

01:13:28.360 I mean, there is one spot where there's an Indian woman and she said that her, her children

01:13:32.880 were, the child was mentioning, uh, seeing specific types of like gods that I guess she

01:13:38.820 was able to associate because they, they have like their own, their entire pantheon.

01:13:42.120 And she told them to ignore it.

01:13:43.740 Oh, this is the Indian woman, right?

01:13:44.160 Yeah.

01:13:44.360 She told them to ignore it.

01:13:45.360 So I think, uh, like, I think where we exist, if you can thin that veil, uh, thin enough,

01:13:52.060 depending on where you're at geographically and even mentally, like kind of like what you're

01:13:55.840 believing in or calling in, you, you can see these things.

01:13:59.600 You can see whatever is on the other side.

01:14:01.660 So I just want to say too, we've, we've done two episodes, like two long breakdowns on the

01:14:06.660 telepathy tapes.

01:14:07.300 Then we've had pastor Joe and Franco on.

01:14:09.020 I need to watch it.

01:14:09.700 I'm going to watch it.

01:14:10.900 It's a, it's a bizarre, uh, odyssey.

01:14:13.880 Did you guys see the sub stack of the, some guy, I guess it was working on their discord

01:14:17.940 and he went like whistleblower on some of the shady shit going on.

01:14:20.660 I'm still need to read.

01:14:21.480 I just heard about it on this other podcast.

01:14:22.680 You guys should maybe talk to him too.

01:14:24.600 She was talking to ninjas or butterflies, Kai Dickens.

01:14:27.360 And she's like, Oh, did you know that the CIA infiltrated this thing?

01:14:30.540 We're like, yeah, no shit lady.

01:14:31.860 But, um, it's just, it's remarkable to me that, um, this is connected to, it's like,

01:14:40.700 you know, like, Oh yeah.

01:14:43.080 It's not remarkable.

01:14:43.940 It makes sense though.

01:14:44.840 Right.

01:14:45.180 It's like, we're not surprised though.

01:14:47.020 Yeah.

01:14:47.400 No, I'm not surprised.

01:14:48.140 You know what?

01:14:48.320 It's surprising.

01:14:49.240 It's just surprising that we're right.

01:14:50.640 I'm surprised.

01:14:51.180 I'm supposed to be right at how neatly this was handed to me is.

01:14:54.600 Yeah.

01:14:55.280 Yeah.

01:14:55.680 That is a little alarming.

01:14:57.580 It's almost serendipitous.

01:14:58.780 Like we, you know, you guys get on our radar.

01:15:00.960 We're enjoying your content.

01:15:02.300 We're enjoying your takes.

01:15:03.680 Epstein files drop.

01:15:04.840 And next thing you know, red panda koala is talking about the telepathy.

01:15:08.200 And I'm going, what the, are you, what the, like, are you kidding me?

01:15:11.580 Why is this so, why is this so easy?

01:15:15.140 Why are we seeing this and why is it all coming together in this way?

01:15:18.720 So yeah.

01:15:19.700 Um, I just, I just had to go on a tangent there because that whole thing is, is such an obvious

01:15:25.000 operation.

01:15:26.140 And what we just laid out to you is like, good luck convincing anybody of that.

01:15:31.120 Like we're actually what's happening.

01:15:32.540 Logically.

01:15:33.040 It makes sense.

01:15:33.520 Right.

01:15:33.700 But logically it makes sense.

01:15:36.140 And I really do think this goes back to MK ultra a hundred percent.

01:15:40.120 The players are the same and the programs are the same results are the same and all of the

01:15:46.380 new, like the brand new up to date, um, UAP disclosure narrative pushes are all in line

01:15:53.480 with it.

01:15:53.840 They're all in line to explain away MK ultra victims and technology as UFO experiences that

01:16:01.920 we need to provide amnesty to the players for, but in, you know, you know what I mean?

01:16:06.360 Like UFOlogy is almost a carrot that they're, they're trying to whitewash the crimes of MK

01:16:11.620 ultra.

01:16:12.440 Um, and they're trying to utilize the, or mobilize the UFO community to sign off on it, to become

01:16:18.460 the base from which they're going to be able to be like, look, we're, we're fine.

01:16:22.100 Um, but it's all like voice to school technology.

01:16:25.220 It's all like, you know, crazy.

01:16:27.600 Yeah.

01:16:28.100 It's Havana.

01:16:28.920 Exactly.

01:16:29.580 Exactly.

01:16:30.040 That's what it is.

01:16:30.920 Well, they, they just did the Havana syndrome thing.

01:16:32.960 So I want to ask you guys again about this narrative control.

01:16:36.220 Um, we just got the Havana syndrome.

01:16:37.900 Look what we did in Venezuela.

01:16:38.760 Right.

01:16:39.640 Um, and then DOJ releases all these files and it's like, like I said, we should be having

01:16:45.560 a heyday.

01:16:46.380 I have this weird kind of stirring in my spirit.

01:16:48.640 I'm like, what's, what's about to happen?

01:16:49.920 Cause last time we got this, we mulled around with it on the world and then they shut the

01:16:53.960 world down.

01:16:54.380 Like, you know, a few months later, six to eight months later, they shut the world down.

01:16:58.260 Um, and so I, I'm, I'm wondering like, what are your, what's, what's your take on this

01:17:02.820 whole thing?

01:17:03.240 Like the DOJ just drops these files on us.

01:17:05.500 They confirm all of our wildest suspicions.

01:17:07.860 How much of it is even real?

01:17:09.460 Like some of it is.

01:17:10.300 Yeah.

01:17:10.620 Some of it's fake.

01:17:11.580 Oh yeah.

01:17:13.400 Some of it's like fake.

01:17:14.260 Some of it's like not even emails to him or from him.

01:17:16.420 And it's just kind of like theories.

01:17:17.440 And then also too, they said there's like 2 million things they didn't include that

01:17:21.540 they said on their press conference on Monday or, or last Friday that it was like CP and

01:17:27.220 like murders and stuff like that.

01:17:28.560 But I don't know.

01:17:29.160 I think it's all super dark and I think it's really old too.

01:17:32.200 I think it just goes back to like, when you guys are like Christians, right?

01:17:35.400 Um, who was it?

01:17:36.720 Um, who was, we're shipping ball and Moloch and all that over and over again, they were

01:17:43.540 good for a while.

01:17:44.120 Then they weren't, then they were good.

01:17:45.160 Then they weren't.

01:17:45.680 It's very much their nature.

01:17:46.860 It seems.

01:17:47.540 It seems like some of these entities want that stuff.

01:17:49.960 And it's like, I kind of don't want to also want to run away from it.

01:17:52.960 Like, that's the fundamental aspect of our reality.

01:17:54.680 Like we eat meat, right?

01:17:55.580 We all, I'm sure everyone here has eaten meat over the past week.

01:17:57.840 Like, it's just, is that something we just have to acknowledge and accept?

01:18:00.320 Like in this reality that we live in, there's some weird interdimensional things that like

01:18:04.200 kind of do like suffering of kids and shit like that.

01:18:07.260 And some people like play ball.

01:18:09.560 You know what I mean?

01:18:11.000 I feel like that's kind of the case.

01:18:12.040 Play ball.

01:18:12.680 Genesis 315 is an interesting thing if you play ball.

01:18:15.640 In the Bible, Genesis 315, it talks about this idea of the seed war that L.A.

01:18:21.100 Marzulli is kind of famous for like really harping on this.

01:18:23.480 But when God judges Satan or the serpent that he kicks out of the garden, he tells him that

01:18:30.060 your seed will have enmity with the seed of man.

01:18:33.900 So he's talking about the seed of Satan, this like whatever this is, this serpent seed, and

01:18:37.560 then the seed of human beings, mankind.

01:18:40.020 And then he cast a judgment on him.

01:18:42.020 And the judgment is you're going to crawl on your belly all the days of your life and

01:18:45.280 you will eat the dirt of the earth.

01:18:47.620 And if you like kind of extrapolate this, like, well, what's the dirt of the earth?

01:18:51.340 Well, Adam was made from the dirt of the earth.

01:18:53.740 And so it's like there is this idea of like this cannibalism when you go to the Nephilim

01:18:58.860 giants and, you know, just so on and so forth.

01:19:01.520 Even what these elites are doing today, it's cannibalism in a certain way.

01:19:05.820 But there's a metaphorical cannibalism of like this idea of louche, maybe your human energy,

01:19:11.260 your spirit, your soul.

01:19:12.480 The suffering of man.

01:19:14.220 Yeah.

01:19:14.540 Yeah.

01:19:14.700 There is something to that.

01:19:16.080 And it's just interesting that it's mentioned in most of these old texts, but specifically,

01:19:20.880 obviously, we believe in the Bible being like, like it nails the nature.

01:19:25.920 It nails the nature of these things because, you know, you look at through another lens and

01:19:29.040 it's like they're Pleiadians.

01:19:30.160 They're here to save us.

01:19:31.620 Another lens is like they're the pantheon.

01:19:34.300 Jesus isn't real, but like the Norse pantheon is real.

01:19:37.180 Hail Odin or some crazy shit like that.

01:19:38.940 And then you go to Greek mythology and it's like, no, not those.

01:19:41.780 But these guys are they crush.

01:19:43.580 It's the Greek pantheon that crushes and the sort of the Michael Heiser worldview interpretation

01:19:49.000 of the Bible is like, and I subscribe to this one very much so, is all of these pantheons

01:19:53.980 are real, but they were fallen angels that just go by different names throughout antiquity.

01:19:58.660 And yeah, sure, they're capable of granting mankind wonderful things, but they also demand

01:20:03.080 sacrifice.

01:20:03.720 And that's been consistent across the board.

01:20:06.080 The other thing that I think really lends itself to the overlap between what we're talking

01:20:10.740 about and the alien phenomenon is specifically that hybridization program, because I'm sure

01:20:15.780 you guys have seen this in your research, right?

01:20:17.960 Black eyed children, let's say, are the most, in my opinion, modern rendition of the same

01:20:24.020 old shit, right?

01:20:25.080 Where the way we look at the world in the Nephilim are that the angels that were cast out of heaven

01:20:30.740 took human wives and they had offspring with them.

01:20:34.160 And there was a reason they did that.

01:20:35.240 It was basically to hijack God's laws and systems of marriage and things like that and

01:20:41.040 create a genetic hybrid that could inherit the earth and could have access to heaven

01:20:45.860 after they had been casted out.

01:20:48.020 And now it seems like the same kind of shit has been going on.

01:20:51.860 And through other mythologies, you would call that demigods, right?

01:20:54.980 Hercules, etc.

01:20:56.160 Perseus.

01:20:56.680 It's always a theme.

01:20:57.720 The demigod is always a theme.

01:20:59.540 And this is the same thing.

01:21:00.500 If people are going to look at these aliens and call them gods, well, then what is a

01:21:04.720 black eyed child then?

01:21:06.540 But it's demigod.

01:21:07.320 There's this weird thing, too.

01:21:08.560 Well, I want two points I want to make, too.

01:21:09.800 The first point was, yeah, I do think, you know, and I'm not necessarily like I'm agnostic.

01:21:12.720 I'm not going to say I'm a Christian or anything.

01:21:13.800 I was raised Catholic.

01:21:14.540 But I do think the Bible gets the like trickster deceptive element really well of these things.

01:21:19.480 And I'm sure you guys have seen that Jacques Vallée book cover where it's like there's

01:21:22.880 the entity with like the multiple mask that it's holding and it's kind of like switching

01:21:25.980 them out.

01:21:26.260 And then if you look even further, it's like there's a black hand holding that entity up.

01:21:29.340 So it's like just layers on layers of trickster.

01:21:31.620 But yeah, to the point to this, there's this weird hybrid thing.

01:21:34.300 And even today we see it where there are all these weird and it kind of ties into well,

01:21:39.740 definitely ties into like feel and Gary Nolan.

01:21:41.700 But there's these weird deceptive practices going on around experiencers that we've noticed,

01:21:46.120 too.

01:21:46.920 That's one of the things I like about being in spaces, again, because it's like we kind

01:21:50.400 of have like a focus group where we're able to see experiencers over years, not only how

01:21:55.720 the phenomena interacts with them, but how the government interacts with them.

01:21:58.280 And they're like weird deceptive practices to try and get like blood and stuff from like

01:22:02.420 these people and like get them co-opted into like, I mean, even Skywatcher was kind of

01:22:06.760 one of those where like they came and just kind of ran through UFO X and like grabbed

01:22:11.360 all these experiences.

01:22:12.260 And some of them ended up having like really weird and shady experiences with them.

01:22:15.200 Some people were saying that they were trying to get their kids involved with stuff.

01:22:18.920 And it's like they're chasing some group is like chasing this kind of like almost hybrid

01:22:24.100 thing or there's something about people.

01:22:27.220 Let's not leave this yet because I don't I don't want to power through this at all.

01:22:30.760 This is fascinating.

01:22:31.360 I wasn't aware that this is happening.

01:22:32.680 You guys are doing something unique.

01:22:33.900 You're in these spaces.

01:22:34.580 You're saying that people are coming into these spaces.

01:22:36.840 They're sharing their testimonies.

01:22:39.180 Skywatcher becomes interested in this.

01:22:41.620 Can you can you tell me how that plays out?

01:22:44.520 Or here as far as testimony and what happened?

01:22:46.900 Well, there's just like through spaces, people were sharing their experiences and they were

01:22:54.060 on what the fact is, is they were unknowingly announcing that to the intelligence community

01:22:58.500 through our spaces.

01:22:59.280 Right.

01:22:59.640 And so they're sharing photos of when they're seeing stuff, what they're seeing.

01:23:03.420 They're describing what they're feeling.

01:23:04.960 They're describing their history, their childhood.

01:23:07.000 They're more often than not aligning these events with childhood trauma or some new trauma

01:23:12.880 that took place.

01:23:13.680 And now it kind of initiated these events.

01:23:16.960 And so they were giving over so much information to someone who would then who could then identify

01:23:23.820 who that is.

01:23:24.840 On top of that, I mean, I was asked to join a company, Enigma Labs, that was doing this

01:23:32.020 thing where they were, you know, you're supposed to kind of log your UFO sighting, which is all

01:23:36.640 good and fine.

01:23:37.620 But when you combine that with the fact that the CEO of that company was good friends with

01:23:41.500 Gary Nolan and Gary Nolan's explaining that, hey, people who see UFOs are genetically different.

01:23:46.780 They have this unique thing and they were able to determine if someone really had an event

01:23:52.840 based on if they did their blood work and scan their brain, if their brain was altered.

01:23:57.600 So now you basically have this thing where this app is allegedly helping to, you know,

01:24:02.960 hey, we're just collecting, you know, come here and look at UFO photos.

01:24:05.840 But you're also self-identifying as a person who might have this mutation.

01:24:10.620 You're dry snitching on yourself because if they can cross-reference your UFO sighting

01:24:15.140 to a real event that they might have awareness of or something, then they can be like, oh,

01:24:19.340 this person's legit.

01:24:20.540 Now, why they need to know if you were special or different genetically is, you know, this

01:24:24.980 kind of calls back to what you guys were getting at earlier.

01:24:26.760 I don't want to get off topic, but you know what I mean?

01:24:28.600 There's definitely like a need to find that out.

01:24:33.240 And Skywatcher is a company that's trying to find those individuals.

01:24:36.000 And Gary Dolan's involved in Skywatcher too, remember, right?

01:24:37.860 Well, they, yeah, they want to find those individuals to utilize them as psionic assets.

01:24:42.280 That's the term.

01:24:43.200 People who can channel a UFO and then bring it into view.

01:24:48.360 These are going to be, I guess, liaisons almost, right?

01:24:53.180 I mean, do you think they're looking for compatibility or are they just...

01:24:56.780 I think they're looking for bait, maybe, partially.

01:24:59.580 Maybe.

01:25:00.380 I mean, like I said, this kind of goes back.

01:25:02.120 I mean, you guys mentioned like the garden and the snake and the serpent getting kicked

01:25:05.800 out, right?

01:25:06.620 And then you go into these biblical stories of the Nephilim, these beings, right?

01:25:10.660 Now, imagine these beings weren't physical.

01:25:14.160 They were thought forms.

01:25:15.420 And the idea of, you know, seeing the daughters of man and trying to engage with them, that's

01:25:21.900 a conscious experience.

01:25:22.940 Just like in the garden, the serpent sought after the woman, right?

01:25:26.280 Like there's something, the veil between the, you know, there's more of an emotional, there's

01:25:31.340 more of a spiritual connection the divine feminine might have to be more susceptible to these

01:25:36.060 thought forms that really exist in between the realm of God, angels, and man, right?

01:25:40.520 And these thought forms could then, once they enter a person, right, a person starts having

01:25:44.840 these ideas, all the yada yada, they could change genetically, right?

01:25:48.900 They could be, their genetics, their DNA could be altered.

01:25:51.560 And now they're, now they're giving birth and reproducing things that were altered by

01:25:55.880 this other thing, not by God, through ideas, right?

01:25:59.260 And that's, then you get into Jesus.

01:26:00.520 What was Jesus's main thing about, you know, if you have these thoughts that are bad, you've

01:26:05.400 already committed the sin.

01:26:06.760 You have to tend to the garden in your mind first.

01:26:09.020 Now that's, there's a correlation.

01:26:10.720 I know that's a, that's a weird interpretation of these old ideas, but.

01:26:13.280 No, I think that's actually on point.

01:26:16.000 Well, when you get to the UFO story of what these guys are doing, it kind of has a lot.

01:26:19.040 A lot, they're, they're fully aware that these aliens are thought forms.

01:26:22.740 They're not physical.

01:26:23.800 They can't physically come here and they're creating either through the help of mankind

01:26:27.420 and our DNA or through the help of some technology.

01:26:30.040 They're creating these avatars, whether they be grays or aliens or reptilians or whatever.

01:26:35.340 These avatars are the things that are engaging physically and they might be controlled through

01:26:40.300 these conscious life forms or thought forms or aggregors or whatever.

01:26:44.800 Egregors.

01:26:45.680 There's all these different terms for them.

01:26:46.800 Yeah, that's how I've been looking at the grays.

01:26:50.620 They seem to be an avatar that's super limited, you know, biomechanical husk of some sort.

01:26:57.060 It's weird.

01:26:57.380 Like they're better than us on these other things, but it seems like they need like this

01:26:59.940 weird consent from us.

01:27:01.320 They need people to believe in them.

01:27:02.760 It's like this weird kind of, you know what I mean?

01:27:05.040 Within the spiritual realm, which according to Albarino doesn't exist, but we're coming

01:27:10.800 to terms with the idea of how legalistic it is and the access that these, you know, however

01:27:16.660 you want to describe them, demonic entities or, you know, the Book of Enoch says that what

01:27:21.520 we interpret as demons is actually the disembodied spirit of the Nephilim.

01:27:25.100 When they die, their spirit doesn't ascend.

01:27:27.100 It's trapped here.

01:27:28.340 Is that all we're dealing with?

01:27:29.520 I would say probably no.

01:27:30.600 I would say the spiritual realm is inhabited by a number of things.

01:27:33.840 And other people might call it the astral realm.

01:27:35.220 Doesn't matter.

01:27:35.640 We're just arguing over vocabulary here.

01:27:37.180 But I think that these things are inhabited, the grays, by something at any given time

01:27:43.920 that exists only in what we would perceive as frequency and the brain being a receiver

01:27:52.300 of frequency.

01:27:52.940 These things exist on various like wavelengths.

01:27:57.360 And I think that's, you know, we talk about it on the show all the time.

01:28:00.520 It's like that's where inspiration comes from.

01:28:02.580 Angels in the airwaves, right?

01:28:03.640 Angels in the airwaves.

01:28:05.000 Yeah.

01:28:05.300 Shout out to...

01:28:06.000 And it's like they need us, right?

01:28:07.120 As vessels to even interact with the physical world, it seems like.

01:28:10.000 So that's why we have people like Skywatcher and Greer being like, everybody do C5 and

01:28:13.460 invite these things into your life.

01:28:14.540 It's like, what's your real motive here?

01:28:16.120 You know what I mean?

01:28:16.400 Are you just basically telling people what's all asked to be demonically possessed?

01:28:19.840 It's kind of what it feels like at some points.

01:28:21.360 I mean, if you want to say demonically possessed is to be possessed by the spirit of a thing

01:28:25.740 that's in opposition, doesn't have your best interests in heart, actually has a hidden

01:28:29.140 agenda, is deceptive in its nature, and has a goal that is not good for you or the rest of

01:28:35.820 humanity, then that's a great way to describe it.

01:28:38.360 A lot of people get pissed off about the vocabulary and what does it all mean?

01:28:41.440 But I think that that's a great way to describe it.

01:28:44.740 Man.

01:28:45.980 Well, it's like, do you guys look into schizophrenia at all?

01:28:49.000 I mean, we're all schizophrenic.

01:28:49.780 I've looked into it extensively.

01:28:51.260 Yeah, Tuba has, right?

01:28:52.100 There's a lot of people who've looked into it, too.

01:28:53.640 Like, research basically saying, like, oh, they're saying real shit.

01:28:56.200 What do you do?

01:28:56.580 But I know you got some good stuff, bro.

01:28:58.680 Yeah.

01:28:59.060 Like, I basically like Gary Nolan, who I don't know what his real intention is, but he did

01:29:03.300 drop some interesting information drops and revealed that they're looking at the basal

01:29:07.800 ganglia as a source for these psychic experiences or alien experiences.

01:29:12.200 It's something that's hyperactive.

01:29:13.660 It's going crazy in the brains of people who have these things going on.

01:29:17.860 So I looked up what that's in relation to, and I found a lot of stuff that, like, it plays

01:29:24.060 a major role in schizophrenia, right?

01:29:26.060 And so one of the conclusions I came to from all the research I had done was that there's

01:29:30.800 like a, you know, schizophrenia when I was watching all the videos and looking at case

01:29:35.140 studies and looking at really what was going on, it really appeared that it was unintentional

01:29:41.340 REM sleep while awake.

01:29:43.660 That people were having REM sleep-like experiences, but while they're fully awake in the real world

01:29:50.280 and they're interpreting everything on these multiple levels of meaning.

01:29:54.800 And at any given point, their mind and their feeling could take over that illusion and overpower

01:29:59.160 it and make them interpret things differently.

01:30:02.120 With schizophrenia, you have all the same things going on in the brain that you do during REM

01:30:07.540 sleep, which is that like, I mean, I didn't know this until I looked into it, but every

01:30:11.520 one of your core centers, your motion center, your emotional center, your hearing, vision,

01:30:17.820 all those things, those are more active when you're dreaming than when you're awake.

01:30:21.440 And they're all happening at one time.

01:30:23.800 So it's overwhelming.

01:30:25.080 Like if, if you were dreaming while you were awake, you didn't know you'd be overwhelmed

01:30:30.260 with what was happening and you emotionally, you'd be all over the place.

01:30:33.420 And so like, yeah, I looked into a lot of these things and found not only is there a link

01:30:37.280 between the same type of same parts of the brain, but the same kind of ways that these

01:30:42.020 experiences are described with schizophrenics and with experiencers.

01:30:46.880 Um, and also, uh, there's a connection between schizophrenia and MK ultra.

01:30:52.580 There is so much connection between those two things that it's kind of like, what the

01:30:56.020 fuck?

01:30:56.300 Like what?

01:30:57.460 Like, it's almost like, that's what they want, right?

01:30:58.980 Like they're trying to induce it, right?

01:31:00.100 This whole like entering candidate thing.

01:31:01.720 They're trying to induce schizophrenia and people.

01:31:04.180 I think it also makes you, you know, whatever the mechanism behind channeling is schizophrenics

01:31:08.900 probably are, um, they have an unregulated version of that mechanism at play.

01:31:13.600 That's just like so many different ways to get to the same, the same solution, the same

01:31:18.660 conclusion.

01:31:19.820 So you're describing like this idea of REM sleep, which I wasn't familiar with, but like

01:31:24.100 schizophrenia from what we've researched, it seems most prevalent in people who have, uh,

01:31:30.500 dabbled with, uh, methamphetamine also Ashkenazi juice.

01:31:34.220 Yeah.

01:31:35.800 There's a huge methamphetamine.

01:31:38.000 But the methamphetamine makes sense because you're deprived of sleep for a long period of

01:31:42.140 time.

01:31:42.580 And when you do that, even if you're not on meth, you begin to dream while you're awake.

01:31:46.360 And so they can compare being, um, sleep deprived with how much blood alcohol level someone has.

01:31:51.180 And if you watch footage of people who have, who are trying to beat world records or whatever,

01:31:55.380 and they're trying to stay awake, they begin to dream.

01:31:58.060 They hallucinate while they're, they can be standing next to you and they'll, they'll

01:32:01.300 freak out because they thought they saw a spider.

01:32:02.980 This is well-documented.

01:32:04.280 So you, you can't basically REM sleep is such a high requirement for the brain and for the

01:32:08.480 human experience.

01:32:09.220 You can't escape it.

01:32:10.320 It will start to bleed over into your life.

01:32:12.420 If you, if you avoid it enough and like people who die of insomnia, they don't die of lack

01:32:17.260 of rest.

01:32:17.800 They can lay in bed all day and exert no energy.

01:32:20.240 They, their brain goes crazy.

01:32:21.900 Cause they can, they can, they can't turn off.

01:32:24.760 They never hit REM sleep.

01:32:26.120 They can, they can close their eyes.

01:32:27.740 They can lay there.

01:32:28.500 They never hit REM sleep.

01:32:29.780 And there's a, there's something that, that that's there.

01:32:32.520 And REM sleep is interesting.

01:32:34.260 I mean, when you're dreaming, you're really not in your body.

01:32:36.920 You're the visual illusion is so complete.

01:32:39.140 You're having this entirely different experience.

01:32:41.980 And, uh, Gary Nolan's credit again, uh, the way that they describe like, kind of like how

01:32:48.220 an alien would communicate with you would, could be through the dream.

01:32:51.900 And this goes back to Carl Jung, which Jungian philosophy or Jungian psychology is really

01:32:58.320 rooted in Rosicrucianism.

01:33:00.100 Like it's, it really is.

01:33:01.900 And that's what Rosicrucians believe as well is that the angels and the demons, they contact

01:33:07.220 you through your mind and through dreams.

01:33:09.300 They build your dreams for you and you have to experience these as your, as a person with

01:33:14.300 willpower and those, those, um, experiences that are happening mentally then affect how you

01:33:20.660 live your life physically.

01:33:22.280 So angels and demons, they can't necessarily affect the physical world.

01:33:25.620 They can only do that through you.

01:33:27.880 And so they create these very profound visions for you to experience, to make, to alter your

01:33:33.100 behavior this way or that.

01:33:34.660 I think that's actually why so many of these abductee victims will come back with like,

01:33:39.740 you know, not only a message that's new age or Gnostic adjacent, but they'll also come

01:33:43.680 back with this sense of urgency, like a cataclysm is coming that, you know, is, uh, a pattern

01:33:49.580 that emerges throughout the abductee phenomenon for pretty much as long as it's been a thing,

01:33:53.740 but it's one that never, those predictions never come to pass.

01:33:57.440 But I think it's just to impart them with a sense of urgency.

01:33:59.700 Like we're going to tell you something crazy, right?

01:34:01.800 And, and you're not going to want to tell anybody it.

01:34:04.200 So we got to tell you like the world, the fate of the world is literally hinging on you

01:34:09.220 spreading this information and thereby you're going to go out and, and, you know, proclaim

01:34:12.920 it because if not, then, then everything is going to fall apart and it's all your fault.

01:34:17.000 But I have to do this in an abridged version, but I want to say this to you guys, because

01:34:21.380 I think you might find it fascinating and maybe you should look into it.

01:34:23.920 The audience is, is waiting with bated breath.

01:34:26.040 What if he just looked you in the face and said the N word?

01:34:29.420 They're waiting on bated breath.

01:34:31.260 Dr. Jerry Marzinski is somebody that you should look into.

01:34:36.840 He's a clinical psychologist.

01:34:38.200 He just, he dealt with schizophrenic patients, uh, firsthand experience for like 35 years.

01:34:42.500 He dealt with them in a prison setting, um, after he dealt with them in a medical setting.

01:34:46.220 And now in the medical setting, there's all kinds of rails and, and they don't want you

01:34:49.540 to do this.

01:34:49.980 Don't, you know, engage with their delusions.

01:34:52.420 Don't feed into it.

01:34:53.520 That's very dangerous in the prison setting.

01:34:54.820 They don't give a shit.

01:34:55.900 Um, after 35 years, long story short, the dude came out the other end and he goes, these

01:35:01.840 aren't hallucinations.

01:35:02.680 They adhere to way too many patterns.

01:35:04.660 It's like 22, 23, 23 different patterns that they adhere to.

01:35:08.400 A hallucination doesn't do that.

01:35:10.060 Some patterns emerge within hallucinations because in randomness, you know, patterns

01:35:14.340 do emerge, um, but not 23 of them.

01:35:17.160 And so they, they began to become predictable in their nature.

01:35:20.880 And after he came out of the other end, he said, yeah, we have a really bad understanding

01:35:24.960 of it.

01:35:25.260 These people aren't subjected to hallucinations necessarily as much as they're, uh, subjected

01:35:29.840 to something external outside of them.

01:35:32.940 Um, and he says in his, uh, research demons is about the best descriptive.

01:35:37.900 I think I've come across this guy before.

01:35:40.240 Yeah.

01:35:40.400 It sounds very familiar.

01:35:41.300 I picture the guy and that's what I was thinking of.

01:35:43.180 I think there might be a few of them, but I think I know who you're talking about.

01:35:45.440 If I'm not mistaken, I'm sure too.

01:35:46.860 We've had a, does this sound familiar, Tupa?

01:35:48.700 Yes.

01:35:49.240 Yeah.

01:35:49.440 Yeah.

01:35:49.640 Right.

01:35:50.160 Yeah.

01:35:50.680 We've had a few conversations with him.

01:35:52.320 And one of the more profound ones was he bought on a guy, uh, who was diagnosed bipolar

01:35:57.860 schizophrenic in his twenties.

01:35:59.060 And by the time we had him on the show, he was, I believe retired, had a successful career

01:36:03.680 as a mechanical engineer and overcame schizophrenia, which is supposed to be a lifelong condition

01:36:08.280 that's only managed by, you know, various, uh, downers that they put you on.

01:36:11.860 He overcame it by treating the, the whole thing as if it was external to himself.

01:36:16.320 So the medical industry strips these people of their agency and says, you, you have a chemical

01:36:20.260 imbalance in your brain.

01:36:21.260 You're fundamentally broken.

01:36:22.520 The only thing that's going to help you is therapy and pills.

01:36:25.940 Uh, and that is a fundamental mistake when you strip the agency from a person and tell

01:36:31.120 them that they can't help themselves and you start to believe that you're broken.

01:36:34.840 Well, what recourse is there to take against, you know, potentially some external force,

01:36:38.840 right?

01:36:39.400 Um, but just treating it as if it was external and it was something that was oppressing him

01:36:43.300 and doing this to him, he was able to overcome it.

01:36:45.700 And then later on in his life ends up becoming, I believe, a patient of, uh, Marzinski's and,

01:36:50.380 and understanding the phenomenon more Marzinski's not a Christian.

01:36:53.560 Uh, you know, to this day, I would say he's still.

01:36:55.940 Like on the fence, it's just in his estimation.

01:36:57.980 This is what I'm talking about.

01:36:59.060 The Bible gets the nature of these things, right?

01:37:01.360 Because even Marzinski says it's the best descriptive he's found out of all the things

01:37:06.760 that this could possibly be demons and demonic are the best, uh, descriptives of this thing

01:37:12.460 that the medical industry has failed to, to identify.

01:37:15.240 I mean, I couldn't agree more.

01:37:18.020 Yeah.

01:37:18.420 And I wonder too, if some of the medical field has been hindered purposefully in order to

01:37:22.660 prevent people from coming to the right conclusion about what that specific thing is, because

01:37:26.580 it might be something that allow, it might be advantageous for a specific group or a specific

01:37:30.640 thing or a weapon or a program.

01:37:32.380 Um, I mean, you know.

01:37:34.100 Well, it seems, um, that throughout our research of MKUltra and, and its inception and, and the

01:37:40.600 CIA and all these different programs that are birthed out of MKUltra, the therapist, the

01:37:46.440 psychologist, um.

01:37:48.540 They suffer the most.

01:37:49.240 Well, no, no, not just, well, yeah, they do suffer the most when they're close to these

01:37:52.060 people, their suicide rate goes through the roof.

01:37:53.740 And I think it's because you're experiencing attachment by these entities, but they seem

01:37:58.020 to have been birthed out of these programs as a selection process.

01:38:01.740 So going to a therapist or going to a psychologist in its really early days, um, you would basically

01:38:07.740 get tossed into a system.

01:38:08.980 Yeah.

01:38:10.100 Oh, totally.

01:38:11.520 Totally.

01:38:12.100 And I mean, if you were a good fit for this program, you'd get funneled into it.

01:38:15.140 Yeah.

01:38:15.460 Dude, they were, they were prescribing like housewives for having stress or being

01:38:19.220 tired.

01:38:19.880 They were giving them like LSD without them knowing, you know, like crazy hero doses and

01:38:24.860 then watching them lose their mind for a year.

01:38:26.980 And like, it's just insane what they were doing.

01:38:29.800 And yeah, like the psychologist and therapist communities, you know, and there's another

01:38:34.260 reason why Jungian psychology was put to the side in lieu of whatever the hell they wanted

01:38:38.320 to do.

01:38:38.980 You had to kind of dig deep for that Jungian stuff.

01:38:41.100 Like the, the Freudian stuff was way more that the paradigm that it created was something

01:38:46.920 they could easily manipulate more because it didn't call to a higher power.

01:38:50.440 It didn't, it didn't even recognize anything like that.

01:38:52.880 Um, but yeah, that's the basis of all these programs, all these hospitals and the medical

01:38:57.840 field, along with the scientific field we know has been hindered, right?

01:39:01.940 Even, even Eric Weinstein's coming out about that.

01:39:03.920 Like, Hey, this is crazy.

01:39:05.200 What the hell is string theory?

01:39:06.620 It was all nothing.

01:39:07.560 It was just fake bogus.

01:39:08.980 What's dark matter.

01:39:10.000 This was all bogus.

01:39:11.200 It's like, what the hell is going on?

01:39:13.180 Um, yeah, that doesn't just happen like out of nowhere.

01:39:15.280 Right.

01:39:15.500 That's like a real over efforts from like really intense power structures that are able to

01:39:19.740 do stuff like that.

01:39:20.560 Or even with the schizophrenia thing too, right?

01:39:21.920 Like someone somewhere made the choice of like, Hey, we're not going to acknowledge

01:39:25.560 that this could potentially be like people talking to like demons, you know, it actually

01:39:30.120 is.

01:39:30.700 Um, if you zoom out and you think about that, if, if what Marzinski saying is true and I think

01:39:35.260 it is, um, not only is it a failure, it's, it's such a magnificent and harrowing failure,

01:39:42.500 uh, of this, this, you know, esteemed medical or mental health apparatus that we have here

01:39:47.860 in America.

01:39:48.140 We love to talk about mental health and you need to get with a therapist because you're,

01:39:52.120 you know, your mental health is important.

01:39:53.620 And you look at the people that need it the most, uh, and there's, there's no help for

01:39:58.120 them.

01:39:58.420 They're disheveled.

01:39:59.480 I have family members that are, uh, schizophrenic.

01:40:01.840 It's not good.

01:40:02.680 They've gotten no help.

01:40:03.520 Uh, it's, it's the biggest ball drop I've ever seen of the medical.

01:40:08.700 If you want to talk about like cancer and whether or not that's an industry that could

01:40:11.440 be rectified, but they don't want to, because it's more profitable to keep it going.

01:40:15.820 I would look at the schizophrenia, uh, you know, epidemic or the, the, the mental health,

01:40:21.440 uh, apparatus as if not equal more so, because if the truth is it's spiritual and we're looking

01:40:29.500 at this as, as brain chemistry, that's never been proven.

01:40:31.840 Somebody's got a burden.

01:40:33.840 Isn't the word pharmacy come from like magic or something like that too?

01:40:36.680 I'm sure you guys want to know.

01:40:37.300 Yeah.

01:40:37.600 Right.

01:40:38.400 Pharmakia and all that.

01:40:39.700 I want to ask you guys, um, he's, we're nearing the end of the show.

01:40:43.060 What do you, what are you expecting to see?

01:40:45.520 You guys have been looking at disclosure very closely.

01:40:48.940 We've all thought that it was going to kind of come to pass for, uh, you know, a lot of

01:40:52.440 years now.

01:40:52.940 And it's like, it keeps seeming like, you know, they'll prop up a permanent blue ball's

01:40:55.860 edge.

01:40:56.120 Right.

01:40:57.140 Yeah.

01:40:57.500 Yeah.

01:40:57.740 And I, I'm of the school of thought that we might actually be there, especially given

01:41:02.220 all the world events, Epstein lists, you know, age of disclosure, everything is very strange.

01:41:06.420 It's like, how could you not be there at this point?

01:41:09.320 Right.

01:41:09.380 But I have already happened to maybe in some ways.

01:41:13.220 Yeah.

01:41:13.420 What do you expect to see going forward to go for it, bro?

01:41:16.720 I know you got, I make the crazy predictions, but, uh, like, I guess, you know, to be conservative,

01:41:20.700 like, I think that, uh, moving forward, the, the, this illusion is going to dissolve.

01:41:28.680 It's going to continue to dissolve when people find out how married the UFO idea, the traditional

01:41:34.280 mainstream UFO paradigm, how married it is to Epstein, how married it is to MK ultra, how

01:41:41.440 married it is to control manipulation.

01:41:43.340 It'll, it'll kind of settle into a new realm of like really talking to experiencers, really

01:41:49.840 figuring out what is this going through the historical record being like, what, when did

01:41:54.200 this happen?

01:41:54.720 When, how often has this happened?

01:41:55.840 Really getting scientific with, with it because yeah, I think one of the main crimes of modern

01:42:01.240 ufology is like they purposefully leave out of some famous accounts.

01:42:06.720 They leave details out that would reveal its nature.

01:42:09.580 Like even they retell the, when they retell it in a, in a story, in a book, in a movie,

01:42:14.400 they leave out the things that are weird that are like, that's actually so strange.

01:42:18.860 What the hell?

01:42:19.440 Cause it doesn't look so right.

01:42:20.560 For example, I think you guys had a fringe on D I'm sure she's talks about it a lot.

01:42:23.600 Like all the, the ways that the lady is deceptive and like, they say like, Oh, you did a blood

01:42:27.920 contract with me while you were asleep.

01:42:29.880 Like that's never really in the zeitgeist of when he's on news nation and shit talking about

01:42:33.940 it.

01:42:34.080 You know what I mean?

01:42:34.860 Yeah.

01:42:35.380 So that's kind of an example, right?

01:42:36.620 If you put what you're saying, it's a great example.

01:42:38.020 Right.

01:42:38.280 So yeah, like I think those things are going to start to kind of bubble up and people

01:42:41.480 are going to like, you know, be able to discern easier.

01:42:43.340 Hey, what was implanted in here as an idea?

01:42:45.480 And what should we, where should we be looking?

01:42:47.360 And because it'll be a grassroots movement, I see the, the people's stories being the most

01:42:52.240 important aspect.

01:42:53.060 And the AstroTurf people are going to look real bad, I think.

01:42:55.080 And they're starting to, right?

01:42:55.960 Like how bad does it look when Timothy Albarino is like, so like to Lou, be harassing people

01:43:00.460 and spreading fake photos.

01:43:01.580 It just like, they're marking themselves more and more.

01:43:03.620 It seems like as more and more people are kind of like what me and Tuba do.

01:43:06.360 And it sounds like you guys are doing too.

01:43:07.440 They're just kind of like doing our own thing, not trying to be part of this like shoehorned

01:43:10.400 AstroTurf disclosure thing.

01:43:13.660 Yeah.

01:43:14.460 He's also doing this interesting thing that you'll see we saw before with like mainstream

01:43:18.600 scientists where there's a set of data here and he's like, well, this data is not credulous.

01:43:23.160 So like, we'll put it to the side and we're like, no, no, no.

01:43:26.280 I mean, none of this in, in reality, none of this data is really has any veracity.

01:43:32.500 It's like, we're just listening to people.

01:43:34.280 That's really all that we're doing.

01:43:35.460 And not retestable, like all of it, like none of it's retestable, right?

01:43:39.360 Right.

01:43:39.800 Exactly.

01:43:40.220 He said, he told us all like, he wanted to debate us.

01:43:42.560 He said, bring your receipts.

01:43:43.740 I was like, yeah, we'll bring our supernatural receipts.

01:43:45.880 During the debate, he told us that the data was settled.

01:43:48.840 It was, it was all the science is settled, the science is settled, trust the experts.

01:43:52.920 Like, but it's not like the best we can do is like hear all of this stuff and pick the

01:43:57.860 similarities, pick the differences.

01:44:00.140 Obviously there's going to be a lot of crazy people strewn in there.

01:44:03.040 And, and, you know, we probably heard from people who are just lying and that's fine,

01:44:07.460 but you're going to get that.

01:44:09.260 And I think the best we can do, like, like, like Tupa was saying is like, take these, these

01:44:14.080 instances and they will boil to the top eventually, but really hold on to that and

01:44:18.720 try to, try to understand that because people are putting that narrative to the side for

01:44:22.380 a reason.

01:44:22.780 So like, if they're ignoring it or they're, they're pushing it down, I think it's our

01:44:27.120 job to like, kind of put it in the light a little bit more.

01:44:29.940 By the way, uh, what's actually happening right now?

01:44:32.220 Cause you said, what's he, what is he doing right now?

01:44:34.040 You're talking about Albarino.

01:44:35.300 Albarino is actually currently commenting on a Prometheus lens podcast.

01:44:40.520 Why he's saying, why do you support these people?

01:44:43.080 What happened to you?

01:44:44.040 Oh yeah.

01:44:44.600 So about you guys thing.

01:44:46.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:44:46.900 Cause somebody posted a clip about us from there on their show.

01:44:49.400 We famous.

01:44:50.920 This is a guy, by the way, and I'm saying this to the chat, really, it's like, yo, Prometheus

01:44:54.680 lens podcast is a guy who's like working hard, cares about the truth.

01:44:57.980 He's creating good content.

01:44:59.540 And right now Albarino is posturing and saying, what happened to you?

01:45:04.860 Why do you support these fools?

01:45:06.500 And that's the gatekeeping thing.

01:45:08.260 He called us fools.

01:45:09.280 He called us fools.

01:45:10.080 How dare he?

01:45:10.760 But it's just like, I can't see it through any other lens.

01:45:12.820 Now this conversation is actually really fascinating when it came to the, what you guys are describing.

01:45:17.180 They do what's the MO and what has happened to us, or at least attempted to happen to us.

01:45:22.200 But they defame the name of Christ with their vulgarity.

01:45:24.860 Disagreement is one thing.

01:45:26.000 Obscenity and slander is quite another.

01:45:27.880 Anyone who associates with these fools should be ashamed.

01:45:30.660 Mind you, he's over here shilling Lou, who's sharing photos of dead babies in the back channels

01:45:35.000 and fake UFOs and harassing people.

01:45:37.980 It's like, you know, I don't know.

01:45:40.720 I'm not going to be told.

01:45:41.840 I'm not going to continue to be told by awful people that I'm a bad person, which is like, you know, you said, oh, this is a Christian show.

01:45:47.920 And I was like, yeah, this is a fucking Christian show.

01:45:50.900 There is a, I think that there's a very important delineation that needs to be made for people who do believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

01:45:58.280 He was like, yeah, yeah, you can, you can do that, but like, we don't have to fold neatly into some box that somebody else has made for us here.

01:46:05.360 And when you do that, like, I don't, I don't necessarily want to go out there and say slurs and all this shit like that.

01:46:10.600 It's like not like something that I find great joy in, but I realized that when I'm not put in this neat box, I cannot be assorted by these people,

01:46:17.760 these nefarious actors who will then classify you and categorize you and put you neatly on a bookshelf where you belong because you've listened to their narratives.

01:46:26.000 So, yeah, we got, we got to be out there.

01:46:29.000 We got to kind of like touch that line that comes at great cost to, I guess, my soul at some point, but too retarded to stop.

01:46:35.700 Yeah, that's, you know, that's, um, in, in closing, I want to ask you guys a question and I, you know, this is always my favorite question to the show.

01:46:43.640 We always ask our guests this on the way out, or at least we try to, when we remember, and I have remembered this time, um, and everything that you're doing, all of your pursuits,

01:46:50.980 as long as you've been looking at this phenomenon, all the meme warfare and the humor, but the good information and the conversations that you're injecting around this topic.

01:46:59.520 Are, are you guys having fun?

01:47:02.040 Yeah.

01:47:02.920 Well, I'll say, yeah.

01:47:03.960 And I'm, I'm, I'm probably for better or worse.

01:47:06.380 I'm like addictively obsessed with this stuff.

01:47:07.840 I think it ties into like nature of reality and shit.

01:47:09.700 I'm just like, what do you even know what's a hand?

01:47:11.400 So I'm always like fascinated with it.

01:47:13.260 And yeah, I'm having fun with it.

01:47:14.140 Despite all the bullshit, I'm glad I got Tupo here.

01:47:16.640 Uh, we're memeing it up.

01:47:18.940 We've never been bigger than like ever.

01:47:20.620 You know what I mean?

01:47:21.100 So yeah, I don't know.

01:47:21.880 What do you think Tupo?

01:47:22.780 Oh, this has been like the, it's a creative outlet.

01:47:25.860 Like I've never had before in my life, dude.

01:47:27.880 Like it's sick to be able to kind of parlay that into like people watching my AI videos and dumb ass music videos about stuff is crazy.

01:47:34.780 Like this is the most fun I've ever had online.

01:47:37.880 Um, and like professionally too, it's been really cool to be able to like do this stuff and have a voice.

01:47:42.660 I mean, I love ufology and paranormal stuff my whole life and to be able to like really kind of like rub elbows with people and have a voice in it is just something I never thought would, you know what I mean?

01:47:52.180 What happens?

01:47:52.600 So like every day is sick, dude.

01:47:53.920 Like getting paid to shit post, dude.

01:47:55.360 Like what?

01:47:55.980 Like that's a new thing that I love.

01:47:57.700 That's a new, that's a new spin on it.

01:47:59.460 It was like, hell yeah.

01:48:00.820 But it's been, it's been, it's been fire, man.

01:48:03.360 Members of Congress liking our memes and engaging in our narratives was like, what a dynamic, what a time to be alive.

01:48:08.320 You know what I mean?

01:48:08.800 Oh yeah.

01:48:09.260 There's nothing else I could have been doing professionally that I could have pulled off where I would have gotten congressmen and women.

01:48:14.020 Like this guy's cool or retweeting so much.

01:48:17.260 There's nothing.

01:48:18.140 I saw Steven Greer was using, like he's using your edits.

01:48:21.840 Dude, he opened up a whole thing.

01:48:23.920 Yeah.

01:48:24.060 That's so cool.

01:48:24.900 And that's, that's an attack vector for the hate group and Lou Elizondo is to claim that we work for Greer because they, they're so jealous of the hood Greer memes.

01:48:34.040 It's such a positive, such positive PR.

01:48:36.560 It's like, dude, he could have never paid me enough to come up with that, dude.

01:48:39.960 That's, that's, that just happened organically, dude.

01:48:43.040 I, you know, um, they hate that guys like us are part of this conversation.

01:48:48.360 You know, every, every time I look at it, it just reeks of dudes that want to be taken seriously more than anything.

01:48:54.640 And somehow the, the comedic angle is, is somehow, uh, you know, it's indicative of you not taking this serious.

01:49:02.860 It's like, no, dude, you could have a real genuine love and passion for the truth and a fascination for this information.

01:49:08.560 And you could also shitpost and, and laugh about it.

01:49:12.660 Well, it's also, it's your job, man.

01:49:14.360 Like you have that in you, like you guys were made with something special where you could present this information in a, in a tolerable way.

01:49:21.080 So like, get like a spoonful of sugar with it, but it's the job of the holy fool or the, the jester to speak to the king in a time where, when you tell the truth, you get your head cut off.

01:49:31.740 But like, that's like, yeah, exactly.

01:49:33.360 Yeah. We operate there in a unique way. And I'm like, not to like pat myself on the back or any of, but like, that's kind of what we're doing.

01:49:41.500 And there's people that do it better than us and people that do it worse.

01:49:43.720 But like, you got that, you got that talent. And I'm just like, I'm, I'm really happy to like, know you guys.

01:49:49.740 Cause you guys are doing it. It's so much fun.

01:49:52.660 It is dude.

01:49:53.340 I see like, it's like the essence of humanity. You're discovering something new.

01:49:58.420 And, and I could see when you guys find something new and you're like, oh shit, like you're like, you're hyped about it, but you're also creating and you're creating something that is beautiful and bizarre.

01:50:07.320 And it's just like, man, yeah, that's like, that's what we're supposed to do. Right.

01:50:12.900 That is, that's a great point. It's, it's fun and the information's good. Right.

01:50:17.360 So guys go and go and check out all the work because it is fun and the information is good.

01:50:21.440 And in that way, it's like, if you're going to put a fucking fedora on and crack a whip and give me some dry ass information, why would I want that?

01:50:29.100 When I can go to a couple of guys that do love this stuff and they make it entertaining as shit.

01:50:35.160 That's what they hate. That's what they hate guys. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it.

01:50:39.980 Great meeting you guys. I really wanted to. And yeah, I feel like we're all in similar vibes.

01:50:43.200 Yeah, man. Can't wait. We'll talk again soon, man. For sure.

01:50:45.780 Absolutely. Tell them one more time where they can find you. Obviously a red panda koala.

01:50:50.060 I got three YouTube channels. Just type in red panda koala. Probably I'll come up and then I'm on Twitter X and YouTube and Instagram.

01:50:57.920 There you go. With red panda koala. Yeah. And Tupacabra everywhere. Only fans, wherever you want. Just I'm fine.

01:51:05.820 It's blue dude on only fans. Thank you guys again for coming on. Follow these people.

01:51:10.900 And until next time, guys, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see.

01:51:20.060 And they will do it again. And they will do it again. The end is written in the book. In the pages they forsake.

01:51:32.060 Death squad. Death squad. Death squad. Death squad.

01:51:42.060 Death squad. Death squad.

01:51:56.060 When the last trumpet sounds. And the heavens.

Nephilim Death Squad - February 13, 2026

Esoteric Epstein w⧸ Red Panda Koala and Tupacabra

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