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00:03:40.720 the bottom corner oh that's here good god okay i replaced nancy what happened we're we're looking

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00:04:10.020 um so guys go to toplobster.com get your ticket ed it's great to have you back and we were talking

00:04:17.360 a little bit before the show i mean uh you were talking about audio content you should just use

00:04:23.480 the appearance yeah why would you could use every episode oh you know then we got to send it to him

00:04:29.420 and uh and we're just terrible do it yeah because he said before that's a great idea why don't you

00:04:34.280 send me that and i personally said absolutely and then not you never send me anything you never did

00:04:39.160 that at all so that's entirely artful um but you should do that okay i should do that i should keep

00:04:45.260 bugging you guys what are you doing um before the show started we were talking about some really

00:04:50.040 interesting things we said what are we going to discuss today and you brought up something that

00:04:53.520 was a bit of a surprise to me this um and people might not know it if they're not online although

00:05:00.220 i'm sure this is something just in in you know uh christian circles this sort of uh butting of

00:05:06.960 heads when it comes to or a perceived butting of heads i should say when it comes to paul and jesus

00:05:13.780 and very recently before we get into that you got to tell people where you can find oh yeah

00:05:17.520 I'm so sorry.

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00:05:38.220 but I need to start getting that out to everyone in different ways.

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00:05:43.940 but you know, getting that information out, there's a huge deal.

00:05:47.520 Also, you can see there's the spiritual warfare course, which is going great with three months into the 12 month course where we're finishing the first because the first three months are all about defense and knowing yourself.

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00:06:34.320 so we, so the price is now in half permanently. There's no coupon code that, you know, we used

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00:07:07.140 catch up pretty quickly, you know, self-paced. But yeah, please come aboard. People are already

00:07:12.160 telling us this it's they have more confidence it's changed their lives already and we're only

00:07:16.100 three months into the 12 months that's awesome so the other place is uh patreon patreon is where

00:07:22.140 things everything drops first like the the episode that just did on the myths about cane because

00:07:26.620 they everyone makes cane their boogeyman for all the evil all the big evil in the world like is he

00:07:31.560 a reptilian who is his real daddy satan is did he marry lilith or the sofia all this kind of

00:07:37.600 crazy stuff we i i so you see that that's the most recent post there of course you can also

00:07:41.840 be part of my bible study not to be confused with the nephilim death squad bible study both

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00:07:53.160 whereas and this is definitely not a slight to to ours but ours is just the community getting

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00:08:02.700 It happens on Wednesdays, and I've been to two of them.

00:08:08.240 They've only done three, and it's just fantastic.

00:08:11.000 Really, to me, it's heartening to know that any good fruits are coming from, you know what I mean?

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00:08:22.240 Well, a weekly Bible study.

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00:08:26.140 Yeah, and mine is monthly where we go through the entire Bible in one year from the supernatural point of view.

00:08:30.620 we're looking behind the veil at what's going on in the Elohim realm so that's primary and what's

00:08:34.920 going on on earth is kind of secondary because that's really the whole point of jesus could be 0.97

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00:08:58.120 guys we're gonna be saved um yeah so so uh one more time were those two websites yeah faithbyreason.net

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00:09:21.400 the course is there so just so there's no confusion gotcha okay guys you heard him um so so i'm eager

00:09:27.560 to get into this conversation is the way that it's been painted and and you kind of shed some

00:09:32.520 light on this before the show started was um jesus says you know do the will of my father

00:09:39.080 and and it and people seem to interpret um christ's words as as works as opposed to faith

00:09:46.600 is the key to salvation whereas then others will uh paint paul as having said explicitly faith

00:09:53.800 And not works is is the key to salvation.

00:09:57.360 And I'm actually kind of surprised that that is anybody's consensus.

00:10:02.200 But but but it is nevertheless, Topp was accused of that, which was confusing.

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00:10:40.400 And somebody accused you of putting Paul over Jesus, which was a strange accusation.

00:10:46.200 I didn't even understand the context.

00:10:47.800 Yeah, I don't know. We got into it again with, what's his name?

00:10:51.180 Oh, Jacob Israel.

00:10:52.480 Yeah, Jacob Israel. And we finally address him. I'm like, hey, shut up.

00:10:56.820 And then they accused me of that. And I was kind of perplexed. 0.98

00:10:59.520 It was like, yeah, there's something that I must be missing. 0.93

00:11:02.320 So that's what's going on in the underbelly of Christian debate culture.

00:11:06.120 Yeah, I think what you pushed back against was this idea that he said,

00:11:10.440 there will not be a man returning. Jesus will not return.

00:11:14.260 It is Christ in you that will return in you. 0.97

00:11:17.500 You will not see a man.

00:11:20.140 This is not what it's Christ consciousness effectively is what he's propagating.

00:11:25.080 And so somehow a pushback against that is to elevate Paul above Jesus, which I didn't know was a thing.

00:11:31.480 I guess there's more to that.

00:11:33.680 I didn't know that it was either until a couple of years ago when I started hearing about it and getting some questions.

00:11:38.680 I learned about a lot of stuff that's going on in the cultural zeitgeist from my subscribers and people who are in my comments asking me questions, which I appreciate because, you know, I'm usually heads down doing my work or doing faith by reason because I put in a lot of work and research into that.

00:11:53.040 So I don't watch a ton of TV.

00:11:54.920 I don't watch a lot of listen, a lot of podcasts or videos, except for Nephilim Death Squad, of course.

00:11:59.340 No, seriously, I haven't even heard.

00:12:00.540 I haven't listened to like Sam Tripoli in like months.

00:12:02.240 I got to catch him on his show.

00:12:03.820 But but I heard about it and they they and so it's apparently a bigger deal than I thought.

00:12:08.680 There are some prominent people in it who, one of them is a guy by the name, I think

00:12:12.340 his name is Aaron Abel.

00:12:14.660 He's kind of a Chad type, you know, he's like, you know, not a bodybuilder, no, he's

00:12:18.900 like a big in-shape guy and he has this thing called the Jesus, I'm not going to, Jesus

00:12:22.640 only ministry, it's not, that's not the name of his ministry, I don't remember it, but

00:12:25.160 it's something like, you know, just the Jesus way, I think is what it's called, and he talks

00:12:28.600 about how there's this dichotomy between the message of Jesus and the message of Paul.

00:12:33.460 And he basically says that Jesus, they taught salvation differently, they taught grace

00:12:38.080 differently and that jesus was all about what doing the will of my father you know all the

00:12:43.220 things he talks about in the beatitude you know how to how to be like god you know to turn the

00:12:47.300 other cheek you know go the extra mile be uh um you know the golden rule do unto others as you

00:12:53.440 would have to do unto you so jesus was all about doing things in order to please god and be in

00:12:58.020 god's will and salvation it seems to be about doing things with jesus but then you get to paul

00:13:02.220 he says. And Paul says that salvation is grace and faith, the grace of God, which leads to the

00:13:10.200 faith in God. And then there is no works. Paul talks about that deliberately ad nauseum in the

00:13:16.840 book of Galatians and in Ephesians and in Romans. It's not about your works. And he says that that

00:13:23.260 is a contradiction to what Jesus says. And so they can't both be right. And so Paul is essentially a

00:13:29.080 false apostle he was a false prophet then you have people go a little further like uh what's

00:13:33.980 his name about professor professor but in quotes professor Zhang the the Chinese Billy Carson

00:13:38.820 because he's I've never absorbed any content from or but he just keeps coming up in conversation

00:13:44.240 I should look at it so he is well he was completely uh he was shown as to be a fraud by

00:13:50.080 by Jay Dyer Jay Dyer completely exposed him he claims he's a professor in in China who like went

00:13:55.720 to school in yale well first of all he he did go to yale but he went to a university of yale in

00:13:59.920 china no relation to the yale the ivy league school on the east coast but he never differentiates

00:14:05.020 that he just went to a some random college that was called yale in china and he's not a professor

00:14:08.800 he's a middle school teacher oh very sneaky very so yeah so props to jay dyer for for yes but

00:14:16.240 technically no right like yeah so this is what i've been caught up on like because of the orthodox

00:14:20.980 debacle all that that crap that happened uh jay dyer is he's announced that he stepped back from

00:14:26.620 uh the christian debate but that's it like debating theology or apologetics which is

00:14:33.180 an interesting turn of events i mean he still has so much to offer to the table but that's like what

00:14:37.920 i was paying attention to and i got hit from the side with the whole paul versus jesus thing i'm

00:14:41.860 like right what are we doing guys well but just to talk to uh to uh wrap it up with with jang he

00:14:46.760 he has gone in front of his audience and interesting whenever you see his videos

00:14:49.820 He's in front of a classroom, but you never see who he's talking to

00:14:53.580 He's he trying to make it makes it seem like he's giving a college lecture

00:14:56.500 There's nobody there 0.99

00:14:58.240 He's he's a fraud

00:14:59.660 But but he comes out with the same thing that Paul he goes further than than this Aaron April guy

00:15:04.740 He actually doesn't just say that that Paul was a false prophet. He says fault Paul was an intentional psyop by the Romans

00:15:10.160 to to stop Christianity by completely

00:15:13.260 Destroying the message of Jesus and giving a different message. So

00:15:17.760 And it's more prominent than I thought it was

00:15:22.100 And I'm hearing it a lot

00:15:23.160 And when you read the comments of people who

00:15:25.240 In these videos by Zhang and by Abel

00:15:28.060 And other people in this realm

00:15:29.320 People are saying, yeah, I never liked Paul

00:15:31.560 You know, I always thought that Paul's message

00:15:33.540 Was different than Jesus

00:15:34.480 And I'm not all about this just believing by faith

00:15:38.040 A lot of Catholics feel this way

00:15:40.160 Because, you know, Catholicism is all about works

00:15:41.940 In Catholicism, it's basically

00:15:44.320 When you believe in Jesus

00:15:45.780 that starts you on the path of salvation.

00:15:48.300 You're not saved.

00:15:49.320 You're just basically getting into the car of salvation.

00:15:52.280 Now you've got to drive down the road

00:15:53.280 and do all these things like pray to Mary,

00:15:55.580 rub rosary beads, confess your sins to a priest,

00:15:58.780 give indulgences, take the Eucharist every Sunday.

00:16:02.160 So it's all about works. 0.97

00:16:03.840 And when I've debated Catholics, 0.82

00:16:05.500 I mean, I have a good friend.

00:16:06.780 Well, I consider him a good friend.

00:16:07.800 I don't think he doesn't like me anymore

00:16:08.620 because I keep ragging on Catholicism.

00:16:09.860 and he says you know that that um that salvation by faith alone is like completely he said same

00:16:18.480 thing it's completely not um biblical in that in that it it of course it clashes with the

00:16:23.460 catholic traditions who cares about the traditions made up by these pedophiles and robes but what

00:16:29.060 yeah you can see how um what a high opinion i have with them but um yeah they're very much about the

00:16:34.660 works and that and it's almost like they feel like they're not doing enough like just accepting

00:16:39.220 jesus's gift well thanks jesus but now i want to do a whole bunch of stuff well doesn't i mean

00:16:43.760 correct me if i'm wrong my understanding is is still very limited but doesn't doesn't jesus

00:16:48.520 explicit like he says do also these things well it's it's faith is the salvation but that works

00:16:54.540 are the fruits of faith and it's almost not it's like telling you like this is what's going to

00:17:00.180 come out of your faith is is good works right right it's an effect salvation is the cause

00:17:06.720 like that's how you're going to know like you know if you're if your faith is real it's going

00:17:13.260 to produce uh good works more like rewards i mean jesus had two messages when he was on earth

00:17:20.520 primarily salvation and reward and there and and there's a difference salvation is is is more is

00:17:27.460 more quantitative it's yes or no you're saved you're not saved reward is is yeah i'm sorry

00:17:31.920 salvation is qualitative excuse me either you have it or you don't um no i've got it backwards

00:17:37.460 again no and then it's quantitative qualitative is reward there's gonna be different levels of

00:17:41.360 reward you know the the famous um uh um parable of the of the of the talents or the minas some

00:17:46.840 some will get 10 some will get five some get one uh you know based on what they do uh so you're

00:17:53.360 gonna have people in heaven have different levels of reward you know someone who's been a christian

00:17:57.660 for, you know, 30 years and does good works and helps people, they're going to get more

00:18:02.620 of a reward than someone who confesses on their deathbed and, you know, believes in

00:18:06.460 Jesus right before they die because they don't have any good works.

00:18:08.620 They're both saved.

00:18:09.460 They'll both spend eternity with God, but one will have more reward than the other,

00:18:13.580 but different messages.

00:18:17.340 Okay, that's interesting.

00:18:18.640 So how do you think, how are people, I suppose, misconceptualizing this and creating these

00:18:27.380 these straw mans versus what what does the scripture actually say sure so yeah let's break

00:18:31.580 it down so let's take a step back and look at when people have when people look at the bible

00:18:37.000 they say they say i see a conflict or a contradiction you know you have what's his

00:18:40.600 name we were talking to um a little while back we were talking about before the show borat or

00:18:44.820 whatever that's not his name yes yes uh we're all about the contradictions or yeah yeah that

00:18:51.140 there are by the way there are no contradictions in the bible i've heard every every accusation

00:18:55.940 of it and i've i've refuted it on my site and elsewhere but when when someone says they have

00:19:01.860 a contradiction especially if they're a christian but we'll go both ways christian and non it's

00:19:07.060 always based on at least one false premise and a definite agenda so because the bible is correct

00:19:14.820 meaning that if you see a contradiction or a conflict the bible you don't need to change the

00:19:20.180 bible you need to change your premise for example you know an atheist comes in who wants to disprove

00:19:26.180 the bible they have a premise their premise is that there's no god there's no supernatural

00:19:29.460 creator that you know the world just came into existence the universe came to existence by

00:19:32.980 accident you know once upon a time there was nothing then nothing exploded and 100 trillion

00:19:37.940 beneficial accidents happened in a row creating you know everything that we know and life comes

00:19:42.660 from non-life and there are beneficial mutations and things go from chaos to order all of which

00:19:47.380 is completely non-scientific scientifically impossible it violates all three laws of

00:19:51.540 thermodynamics i do a whole thing on this on faith by reason where i show how evolution is absolutely

00:19:56.500 impossible scientifically not according to the bible but that's their premise and because that's

00:20:00.500 their premise when they see the bible they're coming into it with the contradict they see

00:20:04.580 contradictions not based on the bible but based on their their contradict based on their premise

00:20:09.620 and their agenda so when it comes to but but for christians we don't have the excuse because we're

00:20:15.060 We're supposed to believe that the Bible is the word of God, that it's inerrant.

00:20:18.380 And if the Bible has a contradiction in it, then that means that God doesn't exist because

00:20:22.720 contradictions can't exist.

00:20:24.620 Two things that are contradictory cannot both exist.

00:20:27.180 I can't be in California and not in California at the same time.

00:20:30.960 You know, I can't be Ed Mabry, not be Ed Mabry.

00:20:33.260 You know, those things can't exist.

00:20:35.640 So if there's a contradiction, then you're saying God doesn't exist.

00:20:38.540 And as a Christian, you would think that shouldn't be something that's on your to-do list.

00:20:41.740 It's showing that God doesn't exist.

00:20:44.280 Now, when it comes to Jesus and Paul, there is a false premise and there's an agenda.

00:20:49.480 The false premise is that Jesus and Paul were talking to the same people under the same set of circumstances, and they were not.

00:20:59.140 Now, if they were, then you could definitely see a conflict because they both talk about salvation.

00:21:05.760 But Jesus does, in fact, say you have to be saved by doing the will of the Father, by doing the will, by obeying the law, by doing all these different things.

00:21:14.500 In the present tense, that's how he speaks. In the future tense, he does talk about, you know, whosoever believes in me will not perish, but have eternal life.

00:21:20.820 But that's still to do. He's talking about doing things. Paul very much says that you are saved by believing grace.

00:21:28.200 And we need to talk about what grace is, because that's huge. Grace, which leads you to faith, which leads you to salvation.

00:21:33.040 so if they're talking to the same audience that's a problem however they were not talking to

00:21:38.240 different audiences and here's something that you guys have to you know kind of brace yourself for

00:21:42.280 this because it's going to sound a little heretical jesus was not talking to christians

00:21:46.740 during his ministry he was not they didn't exist exactly a christian because what's what's a

00:21:53.940 christian what is a follower of of christ in the sense is someone who believes in the death

00:21:58.580 resurrection and ascension of Jesus and has a Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

00:22:03.060 That didn't happen until Acts chapter 2.

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00:22:36.680 So Jesus had to die in the Senate.

00:22:38.260 Jesus said himself in, I think it's John, I think, John 16, 7, that the Holy Spirit couldn't even come down until he left.

00:22:46.960 Jesus said, it's good that I leave because if I don't leave, the Holy Spirit can't come down.

00:22:50.280 Right.

00:22:50.480 So Jesus was not here.

00:22:52.480 Exactly. 0.86

00:22:53.460 So there were no Christians.

00:22:54.420 So who was Jesus talking to? 0.79

00:22:56.380 Jesus was talking to first century Israelites.

00:22:59.280 They were under the law.

00:23:01.420 So the split between what we call the Old and the New Testament is actually erroneous, technically speaking.

00:23:06.860 Because if you say that the Old Testament is the Old Covenant, the law and the prophets, and the New Testament is the New Covenant, where we have salvation through the death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus, then the New Testament doesn't start until Acts chapter 2.

00:23:21.100 Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are technically Old Testament, Old Covenant books.

00:23:25.800 Jesus was talking to Israelites primarily.

00:23:29.220 Jesus never left the Levant.

00:23:31.620 He never left Israel during his ministry.

00:23:33.260 He was talking primarily 90% of the time,

00:23:35.840 plus directly to Jews. 0.52

00:23:37.460 Some Gentiles heard it,

00:23:38.440 like the woman whose daughter was demon-possessed, 0.86

00:23:41.240 and she asked Jesus to cast out the demon.

00:23:43.400 At first, Jesus ignored her,

00:23:45.820 but she kept persisting.

00:23:47.320 And then Jesus said to her,

00:23:48.220 no, it's not good to give the bread of the children

00:23:50.800 to the dogs. 1.00

00:23:51.860 She was a Gentile.

00:23:52.680 He called her a dog.

00:23:53.720 But she kept pressing in on him,

00:23:54.900 and Jesus was impressed by her faith

00:23:56.780 and he had the demon come out of the daughter.

00:23:59.340 But, and the other time is when he cast the,

00:24:02.140 when he killed the Roman centurion's servant. 0.58

00:24:05.740 Right. 0.95

00:24:05.920 Other than that, Jesus was talking to Israelites

00:24:08.520 and it makes sense because he was the Messiah of, 0.77

00:24:12.380 he was the Israelite, the Jewish Messiah.

00:24:14.560 He came to fulfill the law.

00:24:16.640 Everything Jesus was talking about was about the law.

00:24:19.640 So before Jesus's death and resurrection,

00:24:22.860 how were you saved?

00:24:24.900 you were saved by your adherence to the law.

00:24:29.560 Now, so let me, so definition-wise,

00:24:32.000 because I always like to give definitions.

00:24:33.240 This is something that our mutual friend,

00:24:35.040 John Linhart taught me all the time.

00:24:36.340 You have to give definitions

00:24:37.120 in order to keep people from misunderstanding.

00:24:39.060 What is the definition of salvation?

00:24:40.660 And here's another one that's going to mess up some Christians. 0.80

00:24:43.600 Because, well, let me ask you, 0.88

00:24:44.260 what is your definition of salvation?

00:24:47.240 That you won't perish.

00:24:50.980 Raven, you are a savant.

00:24:52.440 I say that all the time.

00:24:53.340 Because people rap salvation as, oh, this is just this glorious, beautiful, fluffy thing.

00:24:58.680 Salvation means I'll be with Jesus forever.

00:25:00.380 Well, that's the result of salvation.

00:25:02.320 But salvation is basically the avoidance of punishment.

00:25:05.700 That is really what it means to be saved, to avoid a punishment.

00:25:08.220 I mean, if you're walking down the street and some guy comes after you with a knife

00:25:12.900 and I grab you and put you in my car and drive away, I've saved you.

00:25:16.740 I didn't give you anything.

00:25:18.320 I just helped you avoid a bad thing.

00:25:20.980 So that's what salvation is.

00:25:21.940 salvation is simply avoiding a bad thing to put you into a position where you can have fellowship

00:25:27.800 with God. So if you look at what the mechanism was for salvation throughout the Bible, even

00:25:33.400 starting with the Old Testament, though there are different ways you could be saved, but you

00:25:39.020 avoided punishment by obeying God. Before the advent of Jesus, you were saved from any type

00:25:45.920 of harm by obeying God. So it was about obedience through the time of Jesus. So that's why Jesus

00:25:51.020 told people you had to do these good works in order to be saved in order to avoid punishment

00:25:56.140 not necessarily to go to heaven but to avoid punishment that was jesus's role so he didn't

00:26:01.680 he wasn't talking to christians paul on the other hand was talking to christians paul became he got

00:26:07.380 saved like you know several years after the the holy spirit indwelling in acts chapter two paul's

00:26:13.100 ministry was to believers and so it's a different message so he was telling because believers aren't

00:26:18.600 under the law anymore jesus fulfilled it it was done go ahead let's tighten up right that's like

00:26:23.720 that's basically his ministry he's writing churches i'm sorry say that again paul is telling them to

00:26:29.000 tighten up these believers that have already established churches and they've messed them up

00:26:32.840 in various ways yeah exactly he that was yeah that's his message with the corinthians was about

00:26:37.800 that and to the ephesians and he was yeah he was doing a lot of correction i mean he well because

00:26:41.400 all of his most of his epistles are like correcting a bad doctrine but initially he was planning

00:26:46.200 churches he was giving the message of salvation how do you avoid punishment now how do you avoid

00:26:50.120 bad things now it's just by jesus already paid for that so you don't have to do anything to to

00:26:57.600 pay for your sins jesus did that so now this seems super super simple yeah how is this

00:27:07.680 propagated to the extent that who's making these arguments these are these are educated because i'm

00:27:12.520 not and i'm understanding but these people are uh i imagine to some extent some of them are

00:27:20.800 self-proposed christians theologians with with degrees like like uh bart ehrman is another

00:27:25.760 name he's the one that that um i think aaron abel always quotes he he's he's a theologian

00:27:30.080 but here is what i talked about the the false premise but again their premise is that it's

00:27:34.920 the same message so if you if you have that false premise and you're going to see there's a there is

00:27:38.460 a conflict if not a contradiction between the two so you have to pick one well i'm going to pick

00:27:41.960 jesus over paul because jesus was the son of god paul was a man and he was a pharisee before he

00:27:46.680 was that he persecuted the church so he's a bad guy the other so that's what one part the other

00:27:53.080 part is the agenda behind remember i said it's a false premise and an agenda and the agenda

00:27:58.520 is frankly to get us back under the law to get us back in a works-based salvation because people

00:28:05.720 can't handle the freedom that we have under grace because they have the wrong definition of grace

00:28:11.880 if you ask most christians what is grace including myself for most of my life i had to be educated on

00:28:18.280 this the the common definition of grace is unmerited favor that in essence this is the the

00:28:24.400 catholic definition of it and that's probably where that kind of seeped into the to the non-catholic

00:28:28.300 church was that's unmerited favor god gives you the grace just and if you think think about it

00:28:32.740 unmerited favor is actually unjust because you're being given something you don't deserve.

00:28:38.260 Justice means you get what you do deserve. If you get something you don't deserve,

00:28:41.600 it's unmerited. And it actually contradicts the Bible because it talks about grace as something

00:28:47.080 that you can have more of. How do you get more unmerited favor? Unless the only way to get more

00:28:51.660 favor is if you send more. In order to get more of that, you have to send more to get more of

00:28:58.520 god's unmerited favor but but that's not the definition if you actually look at something

00:29:03.020 like you look at blue letter bible any of the um or any kind of concordance the word faith is the

00:29:07.580 greek word charis c-h-r-i-s charis does not mean unmerited favor charis means the divine influence

00:29:13.560 on the heart and its reflection in life it basically means being guided by god that's what

00:29:17.480 grace is so you're saved by grace god guiding you through faith so god if you're if you're a

00:29:24.420 Christian. You're a Christian because you listen to God. God is always talking to everyone,

00:29:28.420 believer and unbeliever. So he gives us all grace. He says that explicitly in the Bible.

00:29:35.480 He gives his grace to everyone. Now, if that's unmerited favor, then that means he's giving

00:29:38.580 everyone unmerited favor. Really? How do you prove that? You can't, but you can prove he's

00:29:42.560 giving everyone grace. He's speaking to everyone. And if you listen to him speaking the message of

00:29:47.860 salvation to you and you believe it by faith, that's your salvation. But grace isn't something

00:29:52.880 that just came upon the church. Grace has always been allowed. We look throughout the Bible from

00:29:58.140 the beginning in different, I don't want to call them the dispensations because people freak out

00:30:02.580 about that, but every era in the Bible, like Adam and Eve, they walked with God in the cool of the

00:30:06.860 day. That was their grace. That was their divine influence. Then after they sinned, they were still

00:30:10.800 offered the opportunity. People could still walk with God, but only Enoch chose to do that.

00:30:15.220 That phrase, Enoch walked with God, it sounds great, but it's actually a scathing indictment

00:30:20.940 of everyone else it was basically like yeah enoch walked with god but everyone else didn't but you 0.63

00:30:24.460 could still do it if you had to choose to and then after babel god got a little further from everyone

00:30:29.980 because god was in the old testament god keeps getting further and further away from man the

00:30:33.580 more they sin after babel god put the the his council of elohim over the nations we see that

00:30:38.940 in deuteronomy 32 so they were the ones who were given the divine influence but of course they all 0.98

00:30:43.500 messed up they all started accepting worship and they became the false gods of the nations

00:30:48.140 And then the law was grace because God said, you're not listening to me. 1.00

00:30:52.700 So I guess I have to write it down for you, idiots, because you're not getting it when I try to talk to you. 0.99

00:30:58.100 So the law was grace. The law was how you communed with God. 1.00

00:31:02.920 That was a divine guidance. And that's what Jesus was under.

00:31:05.840 Jesus was under the law and he was a fulfillment of the law.

00:31:08.400 So it would only make sense that Jesus would express grace by telling people to do the works of the law.

00:31:15.520 jesus fulfilled it so it would be contradictory for paul to have given the same message as jesus

00:31:22.060 because if paul gave the same message of do the will of god and follow the law in order

00:31:26.400 to be saved then paul would be contradicting the the um the salvation that jesus gave us

00:31:32.640 which is to believe based on faith so there's no contradiction there at all

00:31:37.480 it's uh oh hey we got a super chat thank you from uh for james uh for the five dollar super chat

00:31:46.340 for having the good sense to invite ed on again ed is uh like i said earlier at the top of the

00:31:52.620 show the the longest do you do you have any idea how many appearances by this point i mean we we

00:31:57.580 don't number our episodes probably nearing on 100 i'd say i haven't kept track it might be i mean

00:32:03.220 it's it's definitely north of 50 for sure um number one uh most reoccurring reoccurring guest

00:32:10.580 but yeah it does make a lot of sense and the hostility behind it would make a lot of sense

00:32:15.000 to coming from or i guess organize some organized religion because it is kind of a shot in the foot

00:32:20.420 to the traditions of man yeah exactly yeah so that needs to move aside but unfortunately

00:32:25.780 like like a lot of people you know that's a great point this was our issue with like jacob israel or

00:32:30.840 like anybody who kind of like i don't know well this part of the bible is allegorical it's like

00:32:35.400 okay so that move that part aside so the rest of it could fit right right and then when i have

00:32:40.040 choice words to say to you then i'm a bad guy but paul does condemn me as well for the abuse of

00:32:45.280 language was it the spiritually wounding language yeah yeah so i have to adhere to that as well so

00:32:50.100 that's fair right it's all fair but stop doing that right right right right but that is that's

00:32:54.640 a great observation it's moved this out of the way because it gets in the ways of the traditions

00:32:59.360 of men. Who's not guilty of that?

00:33:01.120 Sure, of course. And that's the agenda

00:33:03.480 I was talking about, because that's what we tend to do

00:33:05.560 as human beings. We get religious.

00:33:07.460 And what is religion? We've defined it before on the show.

00:33:09.580 Religion is when you add

00:33:10.880 your man-made stuff onto what God 0.96

00:33:13.460 said.

00:33:14.800 And because God

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00:33:46.980 slash app day. Freedom with one limitation. It's called a conjunctive. So people think,

00:33:52.720 God has all these rules. No, he doesn't. God, and this is how we best operate. Freedom with

00:33:57.360 one conjunctive. Example, you know, back to the Garden of Eden. God said, eat of all the trees

00:34:02.380 except one. So full freedom. You can eat of anything you want except for the one tree. And

00:34:07.400 as long as we obey God's conjunctives, we're fine. But whenever we add something to it, there's a

00:34:11.920 screw up. What did Eve do? When the Nakash asked her, what did God say about eating the tree? She 1.00

00:34:17.460 said, we can eat all the trees except for one. We can't eat it. Oh, and we can't touch it. As soon

00:34:22.280 as you add to it everything gets screwed up and if you look at you know the the next aspect you

00:34:27.740 know when god put um when you know when god gave the um the the the admonition to noah after the

00:34:33.760 flood so you know to go spread out over the world they said okay well we'll spread out but first we

00:34:37.780 want to build a city well you know but so we whenever they do their own thing then that always 0.93

00:34:43.180 adds on to that's an additional limitation but that's what we want to do that's religion 0.61

00:34:47.780 then when with the law the law was perfect but what did the pharisees do the pharisees added

00:34:53.660 the traditions of men on to the law and jesus that's what jesus was always telling like you

00:34:59.160 guys you know you're you know you're white watch tombs filled with dead men's bones because you

00:35:03.380 take the word of god and you and you make it you make you make the word of god of none effect

00:35:07.640 by with the traditions of men you know that's what in the beatitudes i know you guys have talked

00:35:12.820 about this before, where Jesus says, you know, you have heard it said X, but I say Y. He was

00:35:19.680 doing, he was getting rid of all the traditions. You've heard it said of old that, you know, love

00:35:22.960 your neighbor and hate your enemy. She says, no, no, no. You love your enemy too. That's what

00:35:29.320 the law says. The Pharisees added on to that. So every time we add on to something, we screw it up.

00:35:35.700 But it comes from our pride and our desire and our religious desire, our desire to improve upon God.

00:35:41.020 so these people who are if what you will find when you listen to any of their podcasts or videos

00:35:46.460 when they talk about paul is is not doing the will of jesus he's not he has a different message

00:35:51.260 you will eventually come to the idea that they want us back under the law they want us they want

00:35:58.200 more rules right and they want more rules because rules give people power yeah authority it's just

00:36:04.140 more jesus plus we have a jesus plus guy in the chat here kind of blowing it up oh yeah i don't

00:36:09.840 of why he watches this show but apparently disclosure is going to reveal uh well i mean

00:36:14.940 it's a it's a false revelation but go on was part alien and then he goes on to say if your faith

00:36:20.100 can't handle that then buckle up buttercup he doesn't watch the show does it's just basically

00:36:26.060 what the bible says but more like of what you added to it also yeah right at least these guys 0.79

00:36:32.280 are using other parts of the bible this guy's just making shit up but it's the same thing really it's 0.80

00:36:38.260 a hate watch it's yeah yeah it's a sin is what it is it just means that you've missed the mark

00:36:43.660 this guy missed in a much bigger way but these other guys have missed in a smaller way he's not

00:36:49.680 completely incorrect in but except it's going to be an op like that is the op that's coming

00:36:54.020 that's the op that's coming they're gonna do that they're gonna do that and it's gonna cause a lot

00:36:57.880 of people to get all twisted up about what they believe and uh it's actually not an unmanageable

00:37:03.600 thing at all um i'm a high school dropout and uh i find it all very manageable so maybe stick around

00:37:10.560 a little bit if people are having difficulty with all the doctrinal jargon i'm putting out i was

00:37:15.520 putting out i i want i want to repeat an analogy i gave to someone else who had this question and

00:37:20.960 about the two messages and how that how that coalesces in the two different audiences so if

00:37:25.280 you look at salvation heaven in new jerusalem as as a party and i related it to a party that i have

00:37:30.880 A couple weeks ago, Memorial Day, every Memorial Day, we have a pizza party.

00:37:36.420 Not the bad kind.

00:37:39.760 In my backyard, we have a pizza oven.

00:37:42.140 On Memorial Day, I make pizzas.

00:37:44.520 You got a pizza oven in your back?

00:37:45.920 Like a brick oven?

00:37:46.800 Oh, no, no.

00:37:47.720 It's the smaller ones.

00:37:49.320 Okay.

00:37:49.680 Oh, it's a little one.

00:37:50.640 Okay.

00:37:51.020 Yeah, it's the smaller ones.

00:37:53.320 What do they call the private pies or personal pies?

00:37:56.920 No, it's a large one.

00:37:58.600 It does a full-size 12-inch.

00:37:59.940 it has a 16 inch pie

00:38:01.940 this guy's got a full pizza pie

00:38:04.100 he's just saying it's not like a big

00:38:06.160 brick thing

00:38:07.040 it's not full

00:38:08.260 it's large

00:38:11.340 it's a big old pizza pie

00:38:13.460 my pizza cooker has many chambers

00:38:18.180 Maya how many pizzas I can fit in this oven

00:38:20.500 so yeah so I do

00:38:21.940 I make my own dough I do a 72 hour

00:38:24.160 ferment on it I make my own

00:38:25.560 you guys got to come out

00:38:27.300 i do for memorial day and labor day every year videos of that i would love to watch that'd be

00:38:32.800 cool i'll do a video next time i'll do a memorial day next time i do have a big party but so the

00:38:38.240 goal is a party so i have a message for the people in my house my wife my kids like you know we got

00:38:43.220 to get the house together you know tell the kids take out the trash get the dishes together clean

00:38:46.400 up vacuum and mop the floor you know my wife is doing her thing in the house together and but the

00:38:51.640 goals of pizza is the party so my message to them is get everything prepared so and i mean and i'm 0.77

00:38:57.620 doing my part i'm cooking and everything now when the people when the guests arrive my wife is a

00:39:01.400 hostess because i'm in the back i'm i'm making pizzas and whatnot my wife is a hostess she tells

00:39:05.080 people coming up different message she says hey come in sit back relax just tell that which one

00:39:09.360 your pizza we'll get it done you just you know sit down and relax so if you were to just look

00:39:14.660 at the message my message versus my wife's my message is do stuff get stuff done prepare the

00:39:21.160 way my wife's messages enjoy the party there's but there's no contradiction because we are both

00:39:28.600 the goal is the party yeah but the difference is i'm talking to two different audiences with

00:39:35.400 two different roles to get us to that party so that's the difference we all enjoy the party we

00:39:39.860 all have pizzas you know my wife and kids have pizzas i have pizza eventually i'm the last one 0.92

00:39:43.580 to get a damn pizza because i'm cooking for everybody that's how it goes but that's so 0.94

00:39:47.580 there's no contradiction between the two messages 0.98

00:39:49.640 because they aren't to the same people for the same reasons

00:39:51.600 so the same thing with the message that Jesus had

00:39:53.620 to the Israelites who were waiting for their

00:39:55.560 Messiah to fulfill the law versus the message that Paul

00:39:57.660 has to Christians 1.00

00:39:59.120 the New Jerusalem is a party 0.97

00:40:01.300 it's just the same, the different

00:40:03.480 messages of how to get there. I love that idea

00:40:05.560 though, I love going to your place

00:40:07.660 for a pizza party and then me and Top get into

00:40:09.480 a theological debate and it's like well look

00:40:11.060 there are two fundamental differences

00:40:13.700 here on how to enjoy this

00:40:15.540 pizza party now. I'm on Ed's wife's side

00:40:17.500 ed says you know prepare the way but ed's wife does say enjoy the party i have faith in ed that

00:40:23.240 he's gonna do it you have faith through the grace that you heard yeah i agree i like that uh that's

00:40:29.160 a good example though i like but the people who want to put us back under law are basically saying

00:40:32.760 oh yeah come don't you can't you can enjoy the party but we're she got to come clean up i'm not

00:40:35.940 gonna ask you to clean up at my party if you're a guest yeah but if you don't clean up you're kind 0.99

00:40:40.080 of a piece of shit like if you got to take it i mean i'm gonna clean up beforehand because it's 0.99

00:40:44.600 already been done. We've already cleaned the house. We've already dumped the trash. 1.00

00:40:48.520 We've done that already. So why are you coming? So I guess the better analogy is why are you

00:40:51.380 coming in, re-cleaning when I've already cleaned up? Jesus already fulfilled the law. Why are you

00:40:55.680 coming in to do it again when he's already done it? Wouldn't that be an insult? If I've already

00:41:01.360 done the work and I go, I'm just going to mop over the floor again after you already mopped it. I'm

00:41:05.700 like, dude, I already did this. Go enjoy the damn pizza. Right. You belong at Loyalist College. 1.00

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00:41:38.360 i i want to address this super chat really quick i'm actually worried about which direction this

00:41:43.500 is going to go uh with with with ed and his sports preferences but i have to say thank you

00:41:49.480 qui-gon for the five dollar donation love you uh i don't care about soccer don't don't come on the

00:41:55.480 show and tell me about soccer and he's telling us in european time and that's extra disgusting and

00:42:00.540 soccer is not a real sport and it's more it's an abomination to sports and i'll have no more of

00:42:05.980 that. So I'll keep your money, but don't, don't do it again. I'm not a soccer fan. One of my kids

00:42:11.780 played soccer, which was fine, but it was short. The game was only like, you know, about 15 minutes

00:42:18.080 when he played when he was like five years old and he didn't, he didn't like it anymore. And I'm

00:42:21.760 like, that's my boy. Go play a real sport. Go play some baseball or football or something.

00:42:25.040 That's the sweet spot for, for playing soccer is when you're five, six, seven years old and you're

00:42:29.900 just running around and kicking a ball, kicking a ball because your legs are moving and you go

00:42:34.000 fantastic and then after that you graduate to stuff that requires your hands okay that's how

00:42:39.500 it goes i mean no disrespect to people if you like soccer you know definitely don't be like this

00:42:44.240 disrespect to people who like soccer uh and disrespect to people who play soccer i just

00:42:49.100 don't get it it's boring to me i just like it's it's a one zero scores i mean granted it happens

00:42:55.520 in baseball but there's people are always moving in baseball it's your stuff happening people are

00:42:58.480 hitting stuff with a bat so you're just kicking ball back and forth and then all the flopping i

00:43:02.080 don't like like these guys he's like you know people on the ground and they're like oh i don't 1.00

00:43:07.900 like all the mexicans personally that's really the worst part about it yeah yeah but man it's uh 1.00

00:43:13.520 it's a terrible i can't i don't want to keep wanting to use the word sport but that's not 0.99

00:43:17.700 really the word that you should we just have like a going bet of when the aliens will show up and

00:43:21.640 people seem to think the world cup i seem to think ufc 250 and we're gonna get it we're gonna get it

00:43:27.900 soon for sure um but which which sporting event i mean i would much rather see it at the ufc because

00:43:33.500 it would make it more entertaining i don't want to miss it and i will miss it if it's on soccer

00:43:38.860 totally well i have a just as an aside i have a friend of mine who's who's scottish and he

00:43:41.740 gets so pissed off when i call it soccer it's football no football is what we is what we play

00:43:47.020 when people have to get hurt for real that's what happens and then like european people get involved

00:43:51.420 in the conversation that's how you know it's bad and shouldn't be discussed um really anymore not

00:43:56.940 Not on this platform.

00:43:58.280 We're not talking about soccer anymore.

00:44:00.360 All right.

00:44:00.600 So please, back to God.

00:44:01.960 Yeah, back to God.

00:44:03.060 So the last thing I would bring up on that, we can wrap this part up, is the idea of the Sabbath.

00:44:08.440 This is America.

00:44:09.300 That's right.

00:44:10.360 That's right.

00:44:11.460 This is America.

00:44:12.980 Yeah.

00:44:13.140 So you're the only country in the world that doesn't like soccer.

00:44:15.800 I'm like, yeah, that's another reason why we're, you know.

00:44:18.480 We crush.

00:44:19.420 Yeah.

00:44:20.180 That's why. 0.89

00:44:20.700 That's another reason why we're not gay. 0.92

00:44:22.420 All right.

00:44:23.060 We don't like soccer.

00:44:24.740 We don't.

00:44:24.920 That's not an insult to say that we're the only country that doesn't like soccer.

00:44:28.400 Yeah, you guys are the only people that make sense, is what you just said. 0.98

00:44:30.700 America is becoming kind of gay. 0.82

00:44:32.460 Well, because they're liking soccer more and more. 0.75

00:44:34.620 If you looked at the charts, it's going up, and I don't agree with it.

00:44:38.380 Yes, I want to get one last example, and this is the Sabbath as it relates to, you know, the law versus grace versus, you know, God speaking to us.

00:44:45.620 Because, you know, I don't know if you have any Seventh-day Adventists who listen to the show and who come in.

00:44:49.980 I get some pop up in my comments once in a while who always say, you should be, you know, you got to worship on the Saturday, on Saturday.

00:44:56.900 That's the real Sabbath. And, you know, the Sunday worship was created by the Roman Empire, blah, blah, blah. 0.78

00:45:02.240 But again, they have the wrong definition of what the Sabbath is, because I think the Sabbath rest means that you're supposed to just like lounge around and not do anything.

00:45:09.760 That's not what it is at all. The Sabbath is based on, you know, the seventh day of creation.

00:45:14.380 when God said, you know, I'm going to rest.

00:45:18.380 It wasn't because God was tired.

00:45:19.600 God wasn't lounging.

00:45:20.820 What he said is I'm going to cease my activity,

00:45:23.320 the activity of being the first cause.

00:45:24.880 I'm no longer going to initiate my will.

00:45:26.660 And for the rest of the Bible, after Genesis chapter two,

00:45:29.480 God never unilaterally initiates his will.

00:45:31.820 He just responds after that.

00:45:33.940 So the Sabbath was supposed to be 0.66

00:45:35.880 when the Israelites would emulate what God would do, 0.74

00:45:38.640 when they would not initiate their will.

00:45:40.880 So for six days, here was a conjunctive.

00:45:43.440 for six days, you can do anything you want as long as it's within the law. So conjunctive,

00:45:48.020 do anything you want as long as you're in obedience to the law. On the seventh day,

00:45:51.640 you only do the law. So that's what the Sabbath truly is. So Jesus is called our Sabbath rest.

00:46:00.900 So that means the Sabbath is supposed to be every day, not just on Saturdays.

00:46:05.420 And what does it mean by this Sabbath? The Sabbath means that we're only supposed to do 0.63

00:46:08.600 the will of god through grace through the holy spirit so we're only supposed to be doing what

00:46:13.440 the holy spirit tells us so in a way all the people who want to put extra laws on us this

00:46:17.720 era of grace that we're in where we're led by the holy spirit is actually more restrictive

00:46:21.240 because we we are in an eternal a lifetime of sabbath where we're only supposed to do

00:46:26.680 what the holy spirit tells us every day now we don't because you know none of us are perfect

00:46:30.420 but he's there telling us and leading us so that's an example of why we don't need to try to make

00:46:36.860 salvation more restrictive than it is because it's already restrictive we're we don't have

00:46:41.740 we're supposed to do we can do anything we want as long as the holy spirit tells us to do it

00:46:45.740 because that's what jesus did jesus said i do nothing on my own i only do what the father tells

00:46:50.040 me so right so that's that there is no there is no contradiction in fact and here here's what i

00:46:56.720 don't understand why people don't get even if you have are confused about jesus versus paul and

00:47:00.420 their messages and thinking paul's a false apostle read second was the second peter chapter

00:47:05.040 3 15 where paul calls i'm assuming where peter calls paul his beloved brother the disciples

00:47:13.700 accepted paul as an apostle how can he be a false prophet a false apostle if the people who were

00:47:18.980 with jesus every day um for for three and a half years and apparently did paul fool them no of

00:47:28.440 course not. They knew the words of Jesus better than anyone, and they accepted Paul, and they

00:47:32.160 called him that beloved brother. He was part of the Christian inner circle. And when it came down

00:47:37.780 to the law, we see it in the Council of Jerusalem, where Peter and Paul were actually having this

00:47:42.840 discussion, like, should a Gentile have to be under the law in order to be saved? And it was

00:47:47.060 decided that the only thing that Gentiles had to do was don't even sacrifice to idols and don't

00:47:52.540 commit fornication, both of which have to do with worshiping of the God. So basically, the only thing

00:47:57.180 that we as christians have to do under the law is the is obey the first of the ten commandments

00:48:01.240 have no other god before me for salvation we should we should obey all ten you know don't

00:48:04.820 murder don't steal all that kind of stuff but as far as salvation is concerned the only thing we

00:48:09.380 have to do in order to maintain our salvation is not to worship other gods which would make sense

00:48:13.580 so that's my cap on that so hopefully if any of you are encountering people who are telling you

00:48:20.860 that jesus and paul conflicted or that paul was a false apostle and you shouldn't obey him or

00:48:24.700 shouldn't listen to his his epistles which is a third of the new testament hopefully i've given

00:48:28.640 you some information that will help i think that was really helpful it even i think it even goes

00:48:32.740 further than that like not just does he call uh does uh does peter call paul his beloved brother

00:48:38.960 but like there's a point at which paul is correcting peter like almost condemning him in a way that's 0.76

00:48:45.620 okay step right in front of the camera okay that was weird nobody's out there was that nancy you

00:48:50.640 didn't hear that no it's mason it's so weird somebody dinged the bell out there but nobody's

00:48:54.920 out there you better go up front yeah ghost go check that out yeah so paul uh paul condemns

00:49:01.140 peter go ahead step right in front of the camera again i'm so sorry what was i saying paul condemns 0.82

00:49:09.080 peter for uh not sitting with the gentiles when the jews come around and kind of falling back

00:49:14.240 into his old old ways so he's like this enforcer in a way yeah and i i could understand also why

00:49:20.340 like even some of the most

00:49:22.340 devout people around like

00:49:24.140 Peter would have been well within his rights to 0.92

00:49:26.260 been like screw this guy you just got 0.91

00:49:28.220 here you know oh yeah yeah yeah 0.96

00:49:29.740 but like Johnny completely no he

00:49:32.000 was he ate it he's like yeah yeah okay

00:49:34.140 I hear what you're saying and people just

00:49:36.260 need to accept that this dude was the enforcer

00:49:38.220 he was out there telling he was calling balls and strikes

00:49:40.320 and it is what it is oh yeah oh Paul was hardcore

00:49:42.240 I mean if you if you if you read

00:49:44.200 Paul outside of like the polite King James

00:49:46.180 old English and listen to what Paul even Jesus

00:49:48.280 Jesus was hardcore too I mean Jesus was

00:49:50.120 calling people oh yeah back and forth he's called the disciples you guys are slow of learning well 1.00

00:49:53.560 yeah that sounds polite but but he really saying you guys are idiots how long have i been with you 1.00

00:49:57.880 i'm with you every day for three years and you guys are still not getting it how dumb are you 1.00

00:50:01.720 that's what jesus is saying and paul was paul was hardcore too he called the galatians fools 0.99

00:50:07.000 why for trying to for being putting themselves back on the law under the law paul said jesus

00:50:12.360 gave you freedom and now you're just basically saying thanks for the freedom jesus but i think 0.75

00:50:15.880 think i want to go back to jail you guys are foolish for doing that and that's what people

00:50:20.420 who want to be under the law order to right after like right afterwards that's one of the points 0.96

00:50:24.420 that top brought up recently where it's like the orthodox church was talking about being

00:50:27.820 you know basically the earliest church yeah and it was like okay so how long did it take for

00:50:34.160 the church to immediately screw up after christ left after you said it from paul it was like

00:50:39.260 right right away this comes from uh seven minutes of freedom maybe an interesting question before

00:50:43.920 we move on to the next topic if transgression of the law is sin and you remove the law and then

00:50:49.180 you remove sin uh so then you don't need a savior question mark uh what are you judged by without

00:50:56.560 the law that's a seems like a kind of a misunderstanding here yes so the law was was

00:51:03.980 given so that people knew what sin was it doesn't say it again what wasn't it was the standard right

00:51:10.540 This is salvation comes by adherence to the law.

00:51:13.120 Right.

00:51:13.720 Before the outside of Jesus, if you wanted to be saved without Jesus dying for your sin, you'd have to obey the law perfectly, which means you would have to never sin.

00:51:21.320 So if you were able to somehow never, ever sin, you would be saved on your own without Jesus.

00:51:26.380 But not unless people are the only one that lived a perfect life, a sinless life.

00:51:29.020 Right. Exactly.

00:51:29.860 You'd have to do exactly what Jesus did, which is basically, you know, listen to do only what God tells you to do.

00:51:34.820 Don't do nothing of yourself.

00:51:36.380 So the law is nothing.

00:51:37.440 Paul himself says in Romans, the law is great.

00:51:39.280 The law is perfect.

00:51:40.020 but we can't obey it we can never live under the law perfectly because we can never not sin

00:51:46.040 and that's why all these people ended up going to like abraham's bosom until uh so right because

00:51:52.400 they believe in the promise of jesus it's no it says that abraham abraham believed and it was

00:51:56.260 accounted unto him righteousness and that's literally like you know like like in in a ledger

00:52:00.340 you know it's like you haven't paid yet but i'm gonna you got a tab and i'm putting i'm putting

00:52:04.920 you on the tab you believe so you'll pay later and with the payment was jesus made the payment

00:52:08.680 but it was it was um attributed it was accounted to him as righteousness not because jesus had come

00:52:14.460 yet so he wasn't saved that's why he didn't go to heaven he went to you know the abraham's bosom

00:52:18.340 in the compartment of hades and so you know so all the all the patriarchs abraham noah daniel

00:52:23.700 dave king david all the all the believers they didn't go to heaven because their sins had not

00:52:28.820 been paid for but but there was an accounting there was a a mark in the accountant's book

00:52:35.520 saying yeah here's i got an iou and jesus will pay your iou now you can go to heaven that's when

00:52:41.040 jesus went when jesus died he led the captivity captive he took them out of abraham's bosom it's

00:52:45.660 okay i've paid for it you believed in it um and now we can go to heaven and that's and that's

00:52:50.700 where they are now that now they're no longer that's that's why when you die you no longer go

00:52:53.680 to haides to the abraham's bosom you go directly to heaven so to answer that part the um your

00:52:58.620 your listener's question. If you obey the law, if you disobey the precepts of the law, you are

00:53:08.580 sinning. Make sure you have to understand what precepts mean. Precepts are different than the

00:53:12.480 ceremonial laws. For example, if you don't observe Passover, I'm not sinning by not observing

00:53:16.600 Passover. That's not the same as the precepts. The precepts are don't steal, don't commit adultery,

00:53:22.980 don't murder, all these different things. Those are the law. And yet, if you obey those all

00:53:27.360 perfectly then you are sinless but no one's going to do that so the law is still in effect

00:53:31.380 but we have the holy spirit telling us what the law is and this is really an important point so

00:53:37.280 i'm glad he brought this up the law treated everyone the same according to the law we were

00:53:41.820 we all have to do the same thing the holy spirit treats us as individuals it treats us uniquely

00:53:48.140 because what might be a sin for you might not what's the sin for you might not be a sin for me

00:53:53.420 because Paul defined sin as that which is not of faith.

00:53:59.020 What if we have different levels of faith?

00:54:01.220 I've been a Christian a long time. 0.55

00:54:03.180 My level of faith is different than a Christian

00:54:04.800 who just got saved the other day.

00:54:07.040 So he may make a mistake that's not a sin.

00:54:10.080 So it's an individual thing

00:54:11.860 and the Holy Spirit is guiding us.

00:54:13.880 And so we know if we obey the Holy Spirit,

00:54:16.560 if we listen to him,

00:54:17.140 then we know what is a sin and what is not

00:54:18.480 because it's based on of doing things out of faith.

00:54:21.440 This is the idea of the unclean meats

00:54:23.240 It's like, yeah, yeah, you can do that.

00:54:25.000 But if it makes somebody else stumble.

00:54:26.660 Tumbling block, right.

00:54:27.860 Right, right, okay.

00:54:28.940 It's like we've talked about profanity before. 0.96

00:54:30.420 You can take the same word and the word fag means, you know, in the U.S. 0.98

00:54:34.980 It's a disparaging term for a homosexual male. 0.99

00:54:37.540 And across the pond in England, it means a cigarette. 0.98

00:54:39.960 Right.

00:54:41.460 My wife was listening to like a TikTok. 1.00

00:54:45.380 It was like this Australian dude who's like trying to unpack the word cunt and how they use it as like good cunt, bad cunt. 1.00

00:54:51.660 How you doing, cunt? 1.00

00:54:52.380 like all this stuff but then like a harsh word in america it's like yeah you know like it's such 0.99

00:54:57.440 a crazy word so yeah uh but i guess if it's a stumbling block don't do that australians

00:55:02.480 it's ironic you brought it up because last week i was i was hanging out with a friend he had this

00:55:07.580 this uh this friend of his a lady from australia really really pretty lady blonde gorgeous she 0.51

00:55:12.800 dropping that yeah she was dropping the c word all over the place in a good way like yeah you

00:55:17.360 got some good guns i love that that's hilarious you're hilarious you can't i'm like oh my god

00:55:24.960 that's a really i like that we need some australian people australian people are about 1.00

00:55:29.040 the only silly accented people i can tolerate yeah yeah i don't know what it is they're like 1.00

00:55:33.260 a hard kind of people you know with like she can throw back the beers too good lord and they drink 1.00

00:55:37.940 heavily which i guess i like that um all right so let's let's uh let's move on to this this

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00:56:14.660 Okay, sure. So last time I was on, we talked about what the Bible says about Cain. And,

00:56:19.900 you know, it's Genesis chapter four is the only narrative about Cain. He's brought up a few other

00:56:25.520 places. Like, you know, Jude talks about, you know, people who go the way of Cain and you'll

00:56:28.560 hear it here and there. But as far as what we know about who Cain was and what he actually did

00:56:32.820 is just in Genesis chapter 4.

00:56:35.080 But you will find all kinds of people

00:56:37.000 appropriating Cain

00:56:38.540 to fit into their

00:56:40.520 narratives, their doctrines, their

00:56:42.420 theories. Their monster lore.

00:56:44.940 Right, their monster lore.

00:56:46.440 So first of all, why are they doing this?

00:56:48.820 I think one of it is just a natural inclination

00:56:50.920 we have as human beings to try to

00:56:52.760 figure out mysteries, to try to understand

00:56:55.080 our world. And we live in a world

00:56:56.960 that's full of some pretty despicable,

00:56:59.220 unspeakable evil. I mean, just

00:57:00.500 you know genocide sex trafficking you know doing bad things to children and those are things that

00:57:06.840 those are things like you know most of us don't do it's horrifying now we all sin but you know

00:57:13.780 that's a different level and we want to try to find a way to explain where does this come from

00:57:18.080 what is the origin of of like these huge unspeakable inhumane sins and we have to look

00:57:25.200 for well who who's the so we want to take it back to the bible because whether people want to admit

00:57:29.980 or not, we all believe in the Bible. And that's why people who even claim they don't always use

00:57:34.400 the Bible as a reference. People who don't believe in Jesus say, well, Jesus said this. Well, you

00:57:38.360 don't even believe in Jesus. Well, because you know it's true in your heart. You're rebelling

00:57:41.660 against it. So who's the first bad guy in the Bible, human bad guy? Cain. So they take Cain 0.92

00:57:50.000 and they put all of this stuff on him. Also because there's not a lot said about him. So

00:57:54.840 that leaves it open seemingly leaves it open to to put all the stuff on it's like like when i have

00:58:00.980 my discussion with the little season people any kind of mystery they find and say well that's

00:58:05.080 that must be that must explain why we're in the little season because i can't explain this

00:58:08.400 so that must be a you know because i always ask them okay well if we're in the little season then

00:58:12.940 satan should be gathering the nations deceiving them into into surrounding the camp of the saints

00:58:17.420 in jerusalem so is there a camp of saints in jerusalem you can show me well no but you know 0.55

00:58:22.120 Jerusalem's, it's not, it's not in Israel anymore. It's in the North Pole. Oh, how convenient that

00:58:26.980 it's in the one place we can't go to. Okay. I guess Jesus is in a Bermuda triangle because we

00:58:32.380 can't go there either. But the point is that because there's mystery there, people use this

00:58:38.720 as their way to try to explain, you know, all the evil in the world, as opposed to just looking at

00:58:44.820 the two reasons. Number one, the reason for evil is that, you know, we sinned. Adam and Eve sinned

00:58:49.000 and we are born disconnected from God, from Jehovah, so we aren't in that constant contact 0.90

00:58:54.900 with him. But there is an explanation, an outside explanation for those big evils, and that is the

00:59:00.680 fallen Elohim. Things like wars. People don't want to go to war. The only people who want wars 0.94

00:59:05.260 are the leaders, and the leaders are, basically, they all worship these fallen entities, you know,

00:59:09.560 the kings and queens of the world, the politicians. We know that. We're ruled by a bunch of satanic

00:59:13.660 torpedoes. So those are the people who do that, but they want to find a way to explain it so that

00:59:19.000 we can be good and know other people are bad. So some of the myths that come out of this,

00:59:23.640 one of the first ones that I deal with is the idea that Cain was not the son of Adam and Eve.

00:59:29.720 He's the son of Eve and the serpent, the Nakash in the Garden of Eden. 0.95

00:59:34.920 Right. 0.78

00:59:35.580 And they say, well, they euphemize the forbidden fruit. They say, the forbidden fruit is a

00:59:40.660 himself for illicit sex so basically eve was having sex with the serpent that was her eating 0.96

00:59:46.260 the forbidden fruit and she got pregnant with cain and so cain is actually part human part 0.97

00:59:53.220 part serpent because you know the the the dragon of old so he he is the origin of the lizard people

01:00:00.020 the reptilians and all of his descendants are reptilians and they're the ones who've been

01:00:04.900 ruling the world from in the background and you know all the david icky stuff and all it's

01:00:09.940 His name is David Icke or David Icke?

01:00:12.140 David Icke.

01:00:12.980 It looks like it would pronounce David Icke.

01:00:14.460 But yeah, it's David Icke.

01:00:15.360 He is silent.

01:00:16.400 He is silent.

01:00:16.700 He is silent.

01:00:17.120 Got it.

01:00:17.400 So, you know, he talks about this.

01:00:18.420 He doesn't relate it directly to Cain.

01:00:19.960 He sees more on the alien bent.

01:00:21.340 But, you know, he talks about, you know, these shape-shifting reptilians.

01:00:24.860 And so, well, that's the origin of it from a biblical standpoint.

01:00:28.680 Well, okay.

01:00:29.880 But there's huge problems with this.

01:00:31.720 First of all, in the Bible, Hebrew is a very precise language, just like Greek, which I think is great that the Bible was written in those two precise languages.

01:00:39.940 the words that god uses for eating and tree are literally that he's not using euphemisms here this

01:00:46.540 isn't poetry he is saying that he's talking about when you take a fruit and put it in your mouth and

01:00:49.820 chew it that's what he means by eating it and if if eating of the tree meant having illicit sex 0.77

01:00:56.040 with an elohim then what did he mean when he said you can eat of any tree in the garden except for 0.99

01:01:00.980 this one so what's he saying you can have sex with any angel just not that one you can have sex with 1.00

01:01:07.060 yeah you can have sex with any angel except for satan that's a great observation because um you 0.99

01:01:13.340 know if you're going to say that that that is a euphemism this eating of the forbidden fruit is 0.85

01:01:17.720 yeah then it's like well what is the the the you know the declaration that you can eat of any of 0.55

01:01:24.300 the other you can have sex with any of these other creatures i'm interested to see uh what you think

01:01:28.540 about this episode i'll send it to you because it's not yet released but we interviewed this

01:01:32.400 guy named jeb uh jed uh boza boza yeah yeah great dude his idea uh about the primordial origin of

01:01:40.160 satan and it goes back to genesis 1 and he's talking about god creating the earth and then

01:01:47.960 him hovering over the waters waters being this like primordial chaos right yeah basically what

01:01:55.460 he does is separate light from darkness he makes stuff good and he makes stuff bad

01:01:59.520 and what i got from that is like this chaos that he's separated now but he's used it to create

01:02:07.560 but he also has them uh it says later in the new testament that the darkness can't even

01:02:13.820 comprehend the light so it can't it doesn't have access to that you kind of need both of

01:02:17.460 these things to create but if this is a chaos a chaotic water and let's just say this chaotic

01:02:24.240 water was in a stream and let's just say that something grew from it like a tree let's say

01:02:30.600 that's now a chaotic tree of you know a chaotic tree that that grows chaotic fruit he compared

01:02:37.740 it to this idea of like a glitch in the matrix like this thing that shouldn't be and when you

01:02:41.860 insert that into human beings or into anything it has to now be out of this uh heavenly realm

01:02:49.260 and i was like this is actually a very interesting idea yeah that's that's one of those um

01:02:54.220 i i highly recommend yeah we'll say i probably botched it but you should yeah you should check

01:02:58.460 it out both every time something good like that comes along i i have like oh i want ed's thoughts

01:03:03.460 on this and i want matt's thoughts on this so i've been pestering matt like you know you got

01:03:07.100 to listen to this episode because he was citing scripture and he was showing you the the original

01:03:12.960 greek and hebrew translations for the words and everything like really solid in other words i

01:03:18.740 couldn't fault the dude like you know not that i know whether or not he's correct or incorrect but

01:03:24.240 i certainly couldn't fault him for coming to those conclusions because i was like oh yeah i see how

01:03:27.760 you got there like i could see it was very clear how he got there so i'd be interested i'll check

01:03:31.720 it out but one thing i'm seeing is impossible as we talked about before whenever you see a conflict

01:03:35.100 there's there's probably it might be a premise that you have wrong and i think a premise that

01:03:39.540 he might have wrong is the idea that god created evil or that god can create evil and you can't

01:03:46.020 actually an oxymoron if you know what the definition of evil is evil is destruction

01:03:52.180 you can't create a destruction destruction is an effect of of what you do something good so god

01:03:57.940 didn't say i'm going to make evil you can't it's like saying i'm going to make darkness you can't

01:04:01.300 darkness it's a measurement of the absence of light evil is what happens when there's when when

01:04:06.260 when good isn't there so god only created good now good can be corrupted but he didn't he didn't make

01:04:13.620 a satan he didn't say i'm gonna make a bad guy first of all number one he didn't do that because

01:04:18.260 that would be impossible god is light and there's no darkness in him at all god cannot create

01:04:22.260 darkness god is 100 light darkness can go when light is can be can come into play when light is

01:04:28.660 absent so what created darkness what creates that then the absence of light when when when light

01:04:36.100 withdraws when God withdraws by definition darkness grows so my my

01:04:42.160 thought on that and is it happens in my Genesis series is that um the that

01:04:48.100 primordial darkness they talk about that chaos he's correct that is called chaos 0.97

01:04:51.220 it's called the Mayim it's chaotic waters that was the effect of a

01:04:56.660 primordial rebellion that happened and it called that let God to read that to

01:05:01.160 that let God to withdraw his light God created everything perfect he created

01:05:05.800 the Elohim first, there was a rebellion with this entity called Leviathan. When it says God was 0.85

01:05:10.460 hovering over the face of Teom, the darkness, that word for the deep is the word Teom, which

01:05:18.020 in Ugaritic, in Sumerian, means Tiamat. Tiamat is a seven-headed dragon. God is standing over

01:05:24.600 in a victory pose over this dragon, the seven-headed dragon who fell. Some people say it's

01:05:31.380 Satan. I don't think that was the entity. I think it's a different entity. Why? Because Satan's in

01:05:35.400 garden of eden the garden of eden was a garden was on the mountain of god evil cannot be in the

01:05:39.960 presence of god i believe that satan fell when he lied when he came to eve and said he asked her a

01:05:47.720 question and then he lied he said a truth and a lie he said if you eat this you will know good

01:05:51.640 and evil but you won't die that was a lie that was the first lie ever told so that's why he that's

01:05:58.440 why i believe that's when he fell and god cursed him but they have the primordial chaos that was

01:06:03.400 not produced by god god made everything good but he also gave the angels initial free will

01:06:10.520 angels have free will until until you're judged you have free will once you're a judge you no

01:06:13.880 longer have free will so they decided to rebel for we can get into the i have my some theories

01:06:18.360 on the reasons but for whatever reason they a section of them rebelled and there was a judgment

01:06:24.680 and that darkness was a result of the judgment so so satan didn't grow out of the darkness

01:06:30.280 that the darkness was a result of a judgment

01:06:33.480 it's such an interesting and you get and one more one more thing about evil people i get this all

01:06:43.140 the time well if god knew satan was going to sin why did god make him well again that's a false

01:06:49.160 premise that false premise is that god knew he didn't and this is something that really messes

01:06:54.940 a lot of christians up because they have this idea of the ominous that you get from calvinism

01:06:59.440 that god is um omnipotent omnipresent and omniscient that he knows everything god knows

01:07:05.600 everything but the true definition of that is god has all the information that exists

01:07:11.280 god does not have information that doesn't exist why because it doesn't exist

01:07:15.680 and you know what doesn't exist the the choice i'm going to make tomorrow i haven't made it yet

01:07:22.880 god did not know that satan was going to sin he could know his tendency but god didn't know that

01:07:27.600 because if god knows everything we're gonna do before we do it then there's no such thing as free

01:07:30.480 will we can only have free will if we have if if if that's a mystery and in this and before you

01:07:36.400 say this is sacrilege look at going back to the sacrifice of isaac when when um when abraham

01:07:44.640 raised his hand up to to plunge a knife into into um into isaac god stopped him he sent an angel

01:07:51.040 and he said to him now i know that you would not withhold your son for me wait a minute what do

01:07:56.160 to me now i know that's god saying i didn't know beforehand he was testing his faith he didn't know

01:08:01.620 he said abraham i don't know if abraham's gonna do this for me maybe he will maybe he won't let

01:08:05.760 me let me see god doesn't know who's good god doesn't know who's going to choose him or who's

01:08:10.840 not going to that's why jesus said for god's love loved the world that he gave his only begotten son

01:08:14.420 that whosoever believes he doesn't know who that's our choice he says so god for god's love

01:08:23.280 the world that you know 3 billion and 28 people will be safe he didn't know he doesn't know how

01:08:26.580 many people are going to be saved we have free choice and that and i know there's some christians

01:08:31.020 who are probably not happy with what i just said and don't believe it i understand i didn't believe

01:08:35.840 it at first either i had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this but think about it would

01:08:40.260 it make sense if god knows everything we're going to do before we do it do we have free will and if

01:08:46.020 we don't have free will then we can't choose if we can't choose then we can't love we can't love

01:08:50.780 then God doesn't get what he wants,

01:08:52.220 which is for us to love him.

01:08:54.660 At the very least, it's something to think about.

01:08:57.160 Like, don't go kicking and screaming. 1.00

01:08:59.160 That's a stupid way to approach a subject like this 1.00

01:09:01.280 where we're talking about like 1.00

01:09:02.340 the matter of everything in a sense.

01:09:08.820 Think about it.

01:09:09.780 Think about what he's saying.

01:09:11.180 Play that all out in your head

01:09:12.260 because yeah, it's something that I know you have told me,

01:09:14.900 but then you hear more stuff and you go,

01:09:17.020 hmm, does this apply?

01:09:18.960 And now I have to put them up next to each other.

01:09:20.780 You know, it's been a long time since I had anything comparative to like, be like, does this, would this even make sense or fit?

01:09:26.880 Yeah. And the idea that, that God knows everything past, present and future that brings up, that's, that's when you start having contradictions. That's when things don't make sense because then that makes God responsible for evil.

01:09:37.340 because if I know that tomorrow

01:09:39.840 some guy is going to molest a little girl

01:09:41.620 and I don't do anything about it

01:09:42.780 and I have the power to do anything about it,

01:09:44.720 do something about it,

01:09:45.480 that's rough.

01:09:47.300 But that's what a lot of non-believers, 1.00

01:09:49.860 agnostics have against God.

01:09:51.140 They say, you know,

01:09:51.820 you say your God knows everything.

01:09:54.000 So why doesn't he,

01:09:55.760 he knows this kid's going to be molested

01:09:57.320 and he's all powerful.

01:09:58.360 Why doesn't he do anything about it?

01:09:59.740 Because your false premise is that he knows.

01:10:02.220 You can change your mind.

01:10:03.440 Let's say I've desired to do a bad thing.

01:10:05.420 Up until I do that bad thing,

01:10:06.900 I can change my mind and God can't enter cannot justly interfere with that because if he does

01:10:12.200 then I don't have a choice anymore so it's heavy but yeah especially within the context of of um

01:10:21.520 you can't make somebody love you right that one seems very obvious to me um and then and then of

01:10:29.440 course if we have free will like how could we have free will and you can only love somebody with free

01:10:33.840 will. So, you know, you've got to square those things one way or another. And if you're saying

01:10:39.940 that God knows all, knows everything that you're going to do, you know, it's all pre, I mean,

01:10:45.800 it's very Calvinistic, right? Predeterminism. Then how could you have the free will required

01:10:52.760 to choose to follow God? It's never a choice then. And then that means that some people

01:10:58.080 are predetermined to never choose God. So some people are just dead set on, you know,

01:11:03.500 everlasting torment or whatever the expression would be um it that doesn't make a whole lot of

01:11:08.840 sense the whole thing makes much more sense with free will with choosing um even the idea of of

01:11:16.700 of you know salvation coming through faith uh is a is a gift that is given freely but you still

01:11:23.740 have to choose to accept that gift you know uh or standing at the door and knocking but you have to

01:11:30.260 open the door then you choose to open the door so the the whole predeterminism doesn't make a

01:11:37.200 whole lot of sense mechanically speaking you know functionally speaking no if calvinism is true then

01:11:42.060 it's god's fault that people are in hell because he he just said before okay you're going to heaven

01:11:46.280 you're going to hell bye there's nothing you can do about it because it's predetermined no matter

01:11:49.960 what i know you can't be saved ever that that makes god the bad guy and then that gives you

01:11:57.400 So when people get upset and they go, God is the demiurge or God is this and that.

01:12:00.880 And it's like, well, yeah, if you're dealing with that understanding of things, then I could see how you would characterize that.

01:12:07.320 You would come to a conclusion that, you know, God is evil.

01:12:10.980 This is the prison planet.

01:12:12.300 What about the archons?

01:12:13.240 What about this and that?

01:12:14.080 Yeah.

01:12:14.300 So why would a loving God send you to hell?

01:12:16.400 God doesn't send anyone to hell.

01:12:17.520 God invites everyone to heaven.

01:12:18.660 It's your choice.

01:12:20.340 Everyone who's going to everyone who spends their eternity separated from God is there for one reason, because they rejected an invitation.

01:12:26.520 I invite you to a party next Saturday

01:12:28.580 It's going to be the greatest party in the world

01:12:30.140 You're going to love it

01:12:30.680 Everything you love is going to be there

01:12:32.280 Here are the directions

01:12:33.320 If you're not at my party next Saturday

01:12:36.640 Is it my fault?

01:12:40.440 No, you chose for whatever reason

01:12:41.880 I don't want to go to a party

01:12:42.680 I don't believe in the party

01:12:43.600 Okay, that's fine, you still chose

01:12:45.040 You made a decision

01:12:46.480 And that's why he put the tree of good and evil

01:12:49.160 Of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden

01:12:50.720 Because people say, well, why did God do that?

01:12:53.080 Because he wanted Adam and Eve to love him

01:12:55.280 And they couldn't love him if they didn't have the option not to

01:12:58.100 So he had to give them a choice

01:12:59.860 But he made it the easiest choice in the world

01:13:01.500 You couldn't eat every tree just only to this one

01:13:03.540 That's all you gotta do is just not eat of one tree

01:13:06.120 And they couldn't do it

01:13:08.640 Yeah, there has to be

01:13:10.920 There has to be a choice

01:13:12.320 Yeah

01:13:12.820 What was that? Did you hear that beep?

01:13:15.780 Or was that just me?

01:13:16.820 Yeah, that might have been me

01:13:17.620 Because I think my work computer is near me

01:13:19.120 And I might have been me getting an email

01:13:20.360 But I actually thought I took out the sound

01:13:22.580 But I guess I didn't

01:13:23.620 Yeah, the idea of having a choice. And also, I don't know, the idea of suffering,

01:13:30.380 it's kind of weak to me. Why would God allow this thing? I was like, I don't know. It's part

01:13:35.420 of the story, man. This is part of what we're doing here. It is. It's a tough question. Why

01:13:41.860 do we suffer? First of all, God is not his will. But you have to ask, how could he stop it justly?

01:13:48.240 It's not a matter of power

01:13:50.300 God could heal everybody tomorrow if you wanted to

01:13:52.980 But remember, God is at rest

01:13:54.820 He is no longer initiating his will

01:13:56.620 God responds

01:13:58.380 He responds to prayer

01:13:59.580 My grandmother got healed from cancer

01:14:01.980 Through prayer

01:14:03.400 And prayer is about justice

01:14:06.360 You have to have enough justice

01:14:08.580 This is a whole other story

01:14:09.740 We can maybe talk about prayer in another show

01:14:12.040 But prayer is petitioning God based on justice

01:14:14.640 He's saying that I have enough justice

01:14:17.080 start up to God. You can do this for me because God cannot act outside of justice. It has to be

01:14:23.180 a petitioner and it has to be enough justice on our side for God to move on our behalf. So if

01:14:27.000 your prayers aren't getting answered, you might have to ask yourself, am I on the right side of

01:14:30.380 justice? Right. Uh, we have a $5 super chat from FJ fool. Let's read this to clearing the end from

01:14:37.820 the beginning from ancient time, ancient times, things that are not yet done saying my counsel

01:14:42.640 shall stand and i will do all my pleasure right so i i get that i know what he's saying he's saying

01:14:48.120 that because i've said that that you know um about the future and god can't can't can't doesn't know

01:14:53.780 what we're going to do but understand what he said god knows what he's going to do so god can so

01:14:58.680 because this is the the seeming contradiction with what i just said is well if god doesn't know what's

01:15:03.360 going to happen next how can he predict the future like revelation and so forth he didn't say that

01:15:07.860 he predicts every that everything that he sees everything would happen he said he talks specifically

01:15:12.500 about his will god can definitively say what he's going to do in the future so if you look at the

01:15:17.220 prophecies in revelation they're all about god's gonna do this god's gonna you know have the

01:15:20.900 trumpet judgments god's gonna pour out the bowls of wrath god's gonna judge this so he can say what

01:15:26.020 he's gonna do in the future and he can say in a big picture sense what we're going to do in the

01:15:30.980 sense that he can say that people will follow the antichrist because he knows our nature he can't

01:15:36.740 say who specifically he's going to but he has experience that we will we human beings will

01:15:42.420 always go after a false god and the antichrist will be a false god so he can say that a lot of

01:15:49.140 people will follow the antichrist he also says a lot of people will be saved he says that there

01:15:53.620 are a number that no man can number that come out of the tribulation he so he knows god knows causes

01:15:59.460 and and the and the effects that come from the causes and he can predict what he's going to do

01:16:03.620 He can predict what the fallen angels are going to do because they don't have free will anymore.

01:16:07.380 And he can predict effects based on the causes.

01:16:11.800 So that's those are things he can do.

01:16:13.440 So God can say, I'm going to pour out seven bowls of wrath in the future because he's in control of that.

01:16:23.320 It's interesting, man, right?

01:16:24.680 It's like it's a it's a lot to wrap your head around still.

01:16:29.420 I think it's, you know, how Matt talks about the triune nature of the Godhead, right? Like, this idea that we can understand that there is a man in the Godhead, that there is three elements to this being, that we're trying to wrestle with something that exists outside of space and time and, you know, our reality.

01:16:51.600 um it's it's not something that i think this is why the bible warns not to lean on your own

01:16:57.520 understanding too because it's like if you're so adamant and not at some point laying this at the

01:17:03.120 feet of god and and you know uh being patient and and you know asking for understanding from

01:17:09.100 the holy spirit or any of these things uh you're going to come to a bunch of messed up conclusions

01:17:14.740 and we see that i think these kinds of things are what gives birth to you know that thing that i

01:17:21.000 mentioned before this idea of of uh of the demi urge or or you know um yeah you know the prison

01:17:27.660 planet or the old testament god is not uh anything to do with the new testament that this is a demon

01:17:34.780 and all these things like it's like despite the fact that the same god of the old testament is

01:17:39.420 the god that prophesies the coming of jesus christ you know however many times um somehow

01:17:45.460 it's not the same it's not the same god yeah that's what's so annoying about these jesus only

01:17:50.460 people and by that i mean the people who say i only read the gospels i don't read any other parts

01:17:54.380 of the bible or somebody say i'll go as far as to say i only read the words in red the words of 0.92

01:17:59.740 jesus i'm like that's so idiotic because what without the old testament we wouldn't even know 0.76

01:18:04.780 who the messiah was there are over 300 prophecies of jesus in the old testament how can you only 0.99

01:18:09.180 read the words in red and think you have a full picture of the will of god you won't know it if

01:18:14.620 If you just read the Gospels, Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the promises given to Abraham.

01:18:21.020 So, you know, the idea that you would omit, it's like, OK, so the whole thing is talking about this thing that happens.

01:18:28.940 And then the New Testament is this thing that happens and its implications.

01:18:32.800 And for some reason, you don't want to see any of or understand any of what was talking about this, this event coming to pass.

01:18:40.260 Right. It's very strange.

01:18:42.380 But I think it's because people can't figure out how to square it.

01:18:46.080 You talked about, you know, presuppositions and agendas and such.

01:18:50.760 I never had any of that.

01:18:52.660 So by the time I got here and started looking at it, the real simple stuff like, why is God such a meanie?

01:18:58.940 I didn't I didn't have that hang up.

01:19:00.980 I could see how that would be a really big stumbling block for people.

01:19:04.620 Right. Why is God saying to go in there and wipe out the Amalekites and everything? 1.00

01:19:07.660 you know like i get that that seems cruel but by the time i arrived i already had the context of

01:19:14.200 the nephilim and all this other stuff so i didn't have any of those issues but i i could see if you

01:19:19.600 didn't have that context just trying to understand this especially through the the lens that maybe

01:19:23.980 like the church gives you they don't have a lot of answers you just go that doesn't make any sense

01:19:26.880 dog he's just killing these kids and everything he's killing everything the livestock wipe out

01:19:30.760 everything everything like yeah that could that could be difficult so it could be something like

01:19:35.960 yeah but yeah so so just omit the whole thing it's also kind of like uh i don't know this might

01:19:41.960 not be an apt uh um comparison but in the legal system let's say ed's on trial i might have an

01:19:49.800 entire an entire book of the whatever ed did like from a to z pertaining to the proposed crime but

01:19:59.160 the judge decides what is admissible to the jury what they're allowed to see right so there could 0.95

01:20:05.740 be this idea of like because uh fj fool was quoting jeremiah you know like you knew me before

01:20:11.020 you knew every word i was gonna say before i was born and i i agree with that it's like yeah he 0.69

01:20:15.240 does he can but if we're gonna have justice here is he can he look at that while you're playing

01:20:23.600 this out you know what i mean i suppose you can because he's god but he doesn't because it wouldn't

01:20:27.600 be just so it's a maybe the answer is yes yes and yes does he know everything does he know what

01:20:35.500 you're going to do yeah he could but that wouldn't be justice it would have to be withheld from the

01:20:41.820 jury in order for them to make an accurate decision on the judgment of your life that's

01:20:46.100 got to be played out and we have to come to the table with the stuff that you actually did

01:20:49.700 not me looking and saying all right well that's how it went so i i don't know it's a very complex

01:20:54.860 question it is but yeah it is a very complex uh complex question and a lot of these

01:21:00.840 misunderstandings really come from what I was saying before about having a false premise.

01:21:05.600 And if the false premise is that God knows everything that ever will happen,

01:21:09.160 again, I think that creates more problems than it actually solves. And or the idea that God

01:21:13.920 can't ever change his mind. And he does. There's evidence in the Bible where, for example, when

01:21:18.580 Moses goes up onto the mountain after the Israelites are freed from Egypt, and he comes

01:21:25.120 down there worshiping the golden calf, and God is mad. He says, you know what? I've done all

01:21:29.360 these things for these people and i'm gonna just i'm just gonna wipe them all out moses and i'm 0.99

01:21:33.580 gonna start a new nation with you he was gonna do that but moses said no don't because i don't that 0.98

01:21:38.500 won't make you look good to the you know to the rest of the world that's okay but but and so god

01:21:43.620 changed his mind but god's will was was right because what happened that generation died out

01:21:48.920 anyway because they wouldn't go into the promised land and so they wandered for 40 years and it just

01:21:53.160 made it worse go they if if god had done what he wanted to do and got rid of them early instead of

01:21:57.980 waiting 40 years, they would have gone into the promised land earlier. And who knows the descendants

01:22:02.480 of Moses might've been much better Israelites, much better Jews than the ones who ended up going 0.99

01:22:07.400 in there. So who knows how the Bible would have turned out if Moses had said, okay, God, do your 0.88

01:22:11.880 will, wipe them out. We'll start over again with my descendants. I'm really excited for you to 0.88

01:22:19.140 watch this episode because one of the things that this guy did bring up, and it's slightly off

01:22:24.060 subject but i think it it'll funnel back in he was talking about the uh the length the duration

01:22:29.780 of being in hell and he actually pulled up some scripture about the aeons the translation of the

01:22:36.740 greek how the eight times where it's referred to as eternal it's referred to as aeon but it's a

01:22:43.700 mistranslation and it's only done eight times within the same word i when you watch the episode

01:22:48.880 you'll you'll be able to go and check for yourself okay every other time it's expressed as a duration

01:22:54.720 of time a finite time a long time but has a beginning and an end when they're talking about 0.65

01:23:00.420 hell later on it's expressed as a no end but now just follow me this might be stupid and i don't 0.95

01:23:09.040 know i'm stupid um if god if i knew that at the end let's say and he described hell as a refiner's

01:23:19.240 fire which is a again interesting idea and i don't i'm not sure if i adhere to this at all 0.87

01:23:23.980 but it has been something that i kicked around for a little bit where it's like what kind of

01:23:29.140 earthly sin can you commit to have eternal punishment and that is a that is a fair question

01:23:35.720 when we're talking about justice um do people get punished do they go through a fire or a

01:23:41.580 fire in order to and also does god just discard what is his like if if he's he's created you

01:23:48.100 does he just burn you and you stay over there does he discard that forever these are questions 0.91

01:23:52.840 that i that i ask also um but if he knows in the end yeah yeah you're gonna you're gonna burn up

01:24:02.040 you're going to come back more refined i don't need to look at what you're doing right now like

01:24:07.360 if we know the end play out your story that's your choice man what do you want to do yes sir

01:24:14.200 there's a lot there and it's probably heretical probably no no it's not that no there's nothing

01:24:19.880 about asking questions now when you come to conclusions and say you know this is the truth

01:24:24.320 now you're getting into problems making statements questions there's nothing there's never anything

01:24:27.600 wrong with asking questions i ask them all the time and they're way out there like the stuff

01:24:31.280 i've thought about and asked about that i am not even ready even remotely ready to bring into faith

01:24:35.780 by reason or anything like that but one thing you said and this is just to you know keep your mind

01:24:40.860 on the idea of we make god responsible for things that he's not responsible for he said you know god

01:24:46.640 made me did he whose decision was it to to to give birth to top lobster your mom and dad god didn't

01:24:55.360 make them do it that a sperm fertilized an egg now granted and it started growing got so you can

01:25:03.560 make the argument that that you know god was forming you but he did but but did he initiate

01:25:09.760 your creation but that's my body like my body was made by my physical parents and we're like

01:25:14.860 you know i'm body spirit and soul they didn't make that people try to make clones all the time and

01:25:19.900 they can't undo a spirit into it unless it's some sort of weird demonic activity i like to assume

01:25:25.120 that my spirit is come from God, like a touch of the divine. And then I'm put into this body.

01:25:30.740 And then I can agree with that. But I get back to the fundamental question, though. But if your

01:25:34.880 parents had decided, you know, on the night you were conceived, I got a headache. I don't feel

01:25:38.520 like it. Well, maybe God said, we need a top lobster, but oh, she has a headache. Darn it.

01:25:44.500 Oh, well, guess I have to go with Raven. So I guess, again, this is kind of getting metaphysical, 0.99

01:25:50.720 who's i mean whose decision was who who's who decided your creation yes god had a hand in it

01:25:56.220 after it was decided after the you know the zygote and he had whenever it is that god puts the spirit

01:26:02.180 but i'm saying if i'm born one day after the day i was born am i the same person right i don't know

01:26:08.580 yeah these are the questions i mean that's a good question i'm just saying that just keep in mind

01:26:11.880 that you know a lot of these things are in flux and they're kind of fluid in that sense

01:26:14.500 um but as far as because we talked about hell and some of my ideas about hell and when we did the

01:26:20.640 Revelation series. But when we talk about the fire and we have this idea that it's going to be

01:26:26.320 so painful because it's just, when we get burned, if you've ever been burned, I have it, it hurts

01:26:30.460 like hell, no pun intended. But what hell is a separation from God. And my premise is that heaven

01:26:40.560 is hotter than hell because God is 100% light. And that's going to be the energy, the heat that

01:26:46.580 we were made for i think the torment of hell is knowing that you were spending eternity being

01:26:52.080 less than what you were intended to be that is a torment it's not oh my god i'm on fire and i'm in

01:26:55.980 constant pain maybe it will be i don't know but what i think because if if it's colder then that

01:27:01.020 means that you're you were made for a thousand degrees that's where you feel best now you're in

01:27:06.880 like 500 degrees it's still hot remember spirit we're not gonna be there in body that's the other

01:27:12.040 thing when you think about you know hell is burning my skin you're not gonna have skin you're not

01:27:15.920 going to have organs you're a spirit so what does it feel like for a spirit to be in torment for

01:27:21.940 whatever period of time i can look up when i'll watch the episode and see what he means by aeon

01:27:25.860 or whatever but i do know it's it's the words eternal and everlasting are used refiner's fire

01:27:32.060 in the bible is actually used as far as what we're going through here on earth we're being

01:27:37.020 here through spiritual fire i have i'll look it up i'll try to look it up again but i don't i've

01:27:42.220 never seen um hell referred to as refining fire don't take anything i just said right now as an

01:27:50.640 attributed to what he said okay bad paraphrasing he was here yesterday or the day before yeah i'm

01:27:55.920 still i don't have all like the beats but i'm trying to express to you a little bit about

01:28:00.340 it was what i will say is uh knowing what i know and talking to you for so long and all these other

01:28:07.720 great people that i talked to when he spoke to us i was like something is interesting so that

01:28:12.120 at the very that's it that's all i'm saying well no i'm always interested in hearing i mean i and

01:28:16.020 i'll i will be i'll be happy to watch it and give my thoughts maybe next time on because i i'm i'm

01:28:22.380 blocking off more time so i think friday still do work for me a little later like right around

01:28:26.160 this time when we started like 12 my time or maybe a little after but i know you guys it's more it's

01:28:31.660 a little more inconvenient for you because it's later in the day but i'll try to be on more

01:28:34.720 regularly oh no do we do we want to bring it for a landing or do you want to talk one more cane myth

01:28:39.660 um we have time for another game if you want to bring it in because i have a bunch you already

01:28:45.040 know any time whatever man yeah yeah yeah we're down okay appreciate it but and if you go to my

01:28:52.180 patreon if you're one of my patrons you will it's already on it's already there it'll be on faith

01:28:56.180 that reason.net soon to full like i think it's like half hour 40 40 minutes i'll go through all

01:29:00.020 of them but another one is the mark of cain that's another mystery because the bible isn't clear what

01:29:04.720 this mark of kane is um people put all their weird theories on it and one of the theories about that

01:29:11.280 the mark of kane is skin color yeah yeah i've heard this before uh white like a pale skin yeah

01:29:17.940 either pale or dark depending on on which side of the racism divide you're on if you're if you're a 0.91

01:29:24.380 dark-skinned racist then the mark of kane was white skin if you're a white racist and the mark

01:29:28.280 of kane was dark skin yes yeah yeah okay i hear what you're saying yep and so all kane's descendants 0.98

01:29:32.800 are the people you don't like.

01:29:34.380 So it really comes down to separating like,

01:29:36.580 no, I'm good because I'm part of the good descendants

01:29:39.380 of Adam and people I don't like are, you know,

01:29:42.600 are part of the bad descendants. 0.93

01:29:44.300 So it's descendants of Adam through Cain.

01:29:47.200 So I can justify not liking them

01:29:49.920 and thinking that they're inferior for whatever reason.

01:29:52.820 But the reason that's a myth is for two.

01:29:54.280 Number one, Bible doesn't say what the mark of Cain is.

01:29:57.460 It doesn't say.

01:29:59.900 And let's say it was, let's say for the sake of argument,

01:30:02.800 it was skin color so what the mark was only on cain it didn't go to his descendants so when he

01:30:07.760 had kids there's nothing that would lead you to believe that they had the mark because the mark

01:30:10.880 was specifically so that anyone who encountered him would not put extra judgment on on him because 0.99

01:30:16.480 god already judged him so anything extra so if you saw cain and you like you know kick the crap out

01:30:22.080 of him for killing abel well what what you're doing is saying well god your punishment wasn't 0.98

01:30:26.080 enough i'm gonna kick crap out of this guy um you're just so that's that's disobedience to god 0.97

01:30:31.600 and you're subject to justice now. 0.99

01:30:33.620 It's sevenfold.

01:30:35.240 So that's the purpose of the mark

01:30:36.640 was to do that.

01:30:38.820 So his kids,

01:30:39.700 and some of his kids

01:30:40.660 were terrible people,

01:30:41.700 like a guy named Lamech

01:30:42.920 who killed a guy

01:30:43.640 and all that stuff,

01:30:45.060 but they didn't get the mark

01:30:46.600 on them for that.

01:30:47.860 So it doesn't matter what it was.

01:30:49.380 And just to put a big cap on it,

01:30:52.360 no matter what you think

01:30:53.240 of Cain's descendants,

01:30:54.160 whether you think they were reptilians,

01:30:55.760 whether you think they all

01:30:56.380 had a mark on them,

01:30:57.680 it doesn't matter

01:30:58.220 because they all died in the flood.

01:31:00.960 His descendants.

01:31:02.280 Now, some people come back and say, well, what about the wives?

01:31:03.980 What about Noah's wife and the wives of his three sons?

01:31:06.300 Could they have been of the line of Cain?

01:31:08.060 Possibly.

01:31:08.820 I can't say that they weren't.

01:31:10.160 But even so, the seed goes through the male.

01:31:12.820 So they're under the line of Seth because of Moses. 0.87

01:31:17.540 I'm sorry, excuse me, Moses, because of Noah.

01:31:19.740 All of the line of Cain, all the seed of Cain died in the flood.

01:31:23.620 So it doesn't matter what you think of them.

01:31:25.600 They're gone.

01:31:26.320 so that kind of so it's so it's all kind of you know uh it's all academic because they're not

01:31:32.860 here anymore the only people all of us we are descendants of noah actually that's funny because

01:31:38.740 i i know that there are various groups like i think the the black hebrew israelites will use

01:31:44.360 like the mark of cain to say that white people and i i you know i went to school with some of

01:31:49.640 those guys i i was they were they were with me in college i was like i i it was fascinating but

01:31:55.100 like yeah it's just so full of crap but i i like your stories are interesting yeah yeah yeah yeah 0.59

01:31:59.180 um well we always joked around and said um because they're so obtuse that it would be hilarious 0.85

01:32:05.900 and i almost wouldn't be surprised if it turned out like no that's actually yeah 0.94

01:32:09.400 they were the israelites and i'd be like yep all right there you go that checks out i just don't

01:32:14.300 understand why everybody wants to be an israelite when we talked about this before there's no reason

01:32:18.040 oh i'm i'm the real i'm i'm the law i'm one of the last 10 tribes like okay why the promises

01:32:23.840 to the church are so much better than the promises to israel and also like to say we sucked really

01:32:29.680 bad in the past you know what i mean like we're the ones that were constantly worshiping false

01:32:33.980 idols and such yeah um yeah mind tripping paul stops outside of the he's like he's like oh you're

01:32:39.680 basically everything different than paul stops well he's saying you get a theory you get a theory

01:32:43.920 it's like everybody's got a different thing i just think it's funny it's like little seasoned

01:32:47.440 believers they do get upset but this is all they do i think this is what this discussion is about

01:32:52.740 whether we're talking about hell or we're talking about the the nature of uh the knowledge of god

01:32:58.140 if you get some of these things wrong the rest of your theology that branches off from it

01:33:02.940 it's going to be super crazy yeah you you can go way up that but that's like sinning right like

01:33:07.840 missing the mark yeah yeah i'm open to my theory being wrong i'm open to all my theories being

01:33:14.440 wrong if it's not um directly in the bible i'm open to it being wrong it's like i think the

01:33:19.160 little season is wrong i don't think that i've never met paul stops i don't i'm not saying he's

01:33:23.400 a bad person i'm not saying jt's a bad person or whoever else i'm just saying i don't agree with

01:33:27.480 your theory and here's why and if someone comes to me and says ed your theory is wrong and here's

01:33:30.840 why the bible proves it's wrong thank you yeah i'm not i'm not throwing shade at them he's like

01:33:36.380 he's not a little seasoner i'm just making the observation that it's interesting as uh one of

01:33:42.800 your beliefs how one of your beliefs informs the others well that's how denominations happen right

01:33:47.160 that's how they accused us of that in the youtube comments and i was like i'm not trying to start a

01:33:52.860 new denomination they're like we get it you don't like the way this church does it and you don't

01:33:58.620 like the way this and i was like yeah but i don't i just don't like that and they're like well you're

01:34:02.580 going to start a new church and i was like i'm not trying that so the the letters to the seven

01:34:06.280 churches were about starting denominations you know how many of them were judged uh very harsh

01:34:10.720 five out of seven or not writing four four yeah actually yeah four out of seven no only two had

01:34:17.480 nothing bad said about them so five out of seven five out of seven judged very harshly so the point

01:34:21.800 with denominations like no it's it's calling a spade a spade when something is bad about a thing

01:34:26.620 you you address that thing and if if something is good about it you address that as well as as good

01:34:31.700 but that's what it is it's like you got this right and you got this wrong you know it's yeah exactly

01:34:36.140 And I've had to change several of my theories because people have called it out to me and I had to be open to it.

01:34:43.180 And again, it's not easy being told you're wrong.

01:34:44.820 No one likes to be wrong.

01:34:46.380 And I wouldn't say that when something wrong is pointed out that I'm instantly like, yeah, no, I agree.

01:34:53.340 I'm like, no, I've got to search it.

01:34:54.620 And then I'll say, okay, my theory on the rapture.

01:34:58.180 I grew up being like hardcore pre-trib and nothing else for most of my life.

01:35:02.200 Then someone came along and they said, hey, check this out.

01:35:05.280 And I was like, nah. And it took a few, it took a couple of years and I'm like, okay, well, I've got it. They have a good point. Their point makes more biblical sense than mine. So I had to change it. It was uncomfortable, but it's not about being right. I mean, it's not about your theory being right. It's about God being right and being closer and being more righteous by being closer to God.

01:35:22.660 So, yeah, we all have theories. I don't care if mine are wrong. Great. Show me where I'm wrong. Show me. Well, that's the thing, man. If we're in this game of theories in some way, because we're people who are interested in in the truth and we're interested in ideas and and, you know, we have imaginations. We're trying to bring this thing to life. We're going to start thinking about, well, what if and does this mean this?

01:35:44.900 And, you know, we're going to have questions. And what I can guarantee you is if you are that type of person, you're going to be wrong. You're going to be wrong. There's no way in hell. I've been wrong for so many, like so many things. I mean, if I look back to half the crap I believed 15 years ago, I've killed off so much. I mean, so it's just it's a matter of being a fallible human being. And you said it right. You get into trouble when you start saying this is true.

01:36:13.660 this thing that i've theorized is now something that is is true and you you know and you start

01:36:18.480 telling other people that this is the truth that that's a problem but to say i think because i've

01:36:23.540 wondered if like yeah that's that's that's fine man um and but you could definitely see how that

01:36:29.720 kind of thing leads to all the denominations and all that other crap it's a it's a wild never-ending

01:36:34.100 branch exactly and like i said about top a few minutes ago when he said you know i was created

01:36:37.800 by god i say well i didn't say you weren't i said well let's ask the question did god create you or

01:36:43.020 wasn't your parents and that's an open question i could be wrong with that maybe god said you know 0.56

01:36:46.620 i need a top lobster boom there he goes i'm gonna i'm gonna put on some marvin gay and and put play

01:36:50.900 that in the in the ears of top's mom it actually is what your mom said was playing i actually 0.64

01:36:56.140 phrased my i don't want to dox date dox myself never mind i won't say well i just did my brain 0.61

01:37:01.560 on marvin gay so that's funny i figured out i was like was this a holiday where you guys smashed

01:37:06.500 very rude to ask oh you did the math on it i did the math and i was like hold on a second

01:37:11.240 I was a Valentine's baby

01:37:14.020 My mom told me that

01:37:14.860 I was conceived on Valentine's

01:37:16.760 So yeah, nine months from there

01:37:18.980 Let's just say my parents were celebrating

01:37:21.160 Jesus' birthday

01:37:22.660 Honestly, this is going to be

01:37:25.460 This is what I heard about my parents

01:37:27.840 I was conceived

01:37:28.680 I'm never going to live this down

01:37:31.060 But I have to say it now

01:37:33.540 I was conceived in a

01:37:36.080 In a trash can

01:37:37.440 In the backseat of a pinto

01:37:39.300 In a zoo

01:37:40.420 in a zoo

01:37:41.600 so i'm sorry this is not part of the what no i mean what i that was it was a uh you know like

01:37:52.620 where they keep animals in cages this show is this show is not about it's not about god

01:37:58.460 it's not about conspiracy it's about figuring out the what little pieces of david's upbringing i

01:38:04.480 can put together and to really understand who he is as a human being yeah yeah i remember that

01:38:10.140 that's actually something i didn't think about very often but you guys mentioned that and i

01:38:13.780 remember that story coming up and it was uh that's a story for an f2 america get that together yeah 0.96

01:38:18.300 holy shit guys 0.74

01:38:20.000 so i think on that note i think we need to bring this in for a landing now that we know that 0.98

01:38:26.460 that raven was conceived in a monkey cage i don't know where it was man i just know it was in like

01:38:33.880 one of the the ones that was a big one in new york uh the bronx zoo in the bronx i think so yeah

01:38:38.820 incredible wow and thanks thanks for coming on um thanks man i'm gonna i'm gonna thank the chat

01:38:47.260 too because these episodes are super interactive it's it's always fun yeah sorry if we don't get

01:38:53.620 it's not necessarily that we want people to pay for if you pay we're gonna pay you the respects

01:38:59.180 of like in a different color i don't want your money to go to waste um we don't set out to let

01:39:03.720 people ask questions if we happen to see something as it goes by we catch it even if it's not paid

01:39:08.460 If it's interesting, we might address it.

01:39:10.540 But if it is paid, like, yeah, we're going to address it.

01:39:12.500 I don't want you to throw your money away.

01:39:13.920 So we should collate some of these and just like have a few Q&A episodes.

01:39:18.680 We should do that.

01:39:19.460 Yeah, we should do that.

01:39:20.260 I would like to do some Q&A episodes.

01:39:22.060 That'd be fun.

01:39:22.800 That would be fun.

01:39:23.820 You have material set up for us and Ed is going to take this full time and he's going

01:39:27.840 to go to the moon.

01:39:28.780 I got to think about it.

01:39:29.660 That's the goal.

01:39:31.580 Dave's got to think about it and tell the people one more time where they can find your

01:39:35.140 stuff, where they can find you.

01:39:36.640 so faithbyreason.net is where my legacy material all the stuff i've been doing for

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01:40:45.120 because i don't want you to get too far behind on the live coaching because we've had some amazing

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01:41:21.960 you can be part of that on patreon as well so yeah hop aboard excellent i think i'm going to listen

01:41:27.920 to your episode here

01:41:29.360 on Cain on the Ride Home.

01:41:32.080 Cool.

01:41:33.200 Yeah, it's a solid move, right?

01:41:35.240 It's a solid move.

01:41:36.060 If you guys aren't listening

01:41:36.800 to Ed on the Ride Home,

01:41:38.020 I don't know what you're doing.

01:41:39.220 But thank you, Ed.

01:41:40.540 I'll put some more stuff up

01:41:41.620 on Spreaker for the audio-only people.

01:41:43.880 That's a good idea, man.

01:41:44.900 That's a good move.

01:41:45.420 You should bother David

01:41:46.840 to give you all the backlog.

01:41:47.940 All those episodes, yeah.

01:41:49.300 A lot of episodes.

01:41:50.420 I'll keep bugging it

01:41:51.260 until you get them to me.

01:41:52.720 70-something episodes, probably.

01:41:54.600 We'll work on it.

01:41:55.400 I'll get the number down, at least.

01:41:56.500 I'll know how many appearances he made.

01:41:57.920 Maybe we'll put it on the drive.

01:41:59.660 And then when you come here, I can give you the drive.

01:42:02.100 Oh, that would be perfect.

01:42:03.620 It was like a month and a half.

01:42:05.540 And it's probably been even longer that I've had your sign and it's hanging up in my house.

01:42:10.880 My kids like it.

01:42:11.580 Well, you got to ship that.

01:42:12.560 You're going to have to eat the cost of flying back with it.

01:42:14.780 Yeah.

01:42:16.860 It's like your package is overweight.

01:42:18.460 So, all right.

01:42:19.380 Okay.

01:42:19.780 Thank you for coming on, Mr. Mabry.

01:42:22.480 And guys, thank you for hanging out.

01:42:23.980 Oh, wait, wait.

01:42:24.400 Don't forget. 1.00

01:42:24.940 Soccer's gay. 1.00

01:42:25.660 Go ahead.

01:42:27.920 i saw some people talking about it i can't stand it all right bye guys we'll see you later

01:42:32.020 oh wait i didn't i didn't end the stream

01:42:35.240 and they will do it again the end is written in the book in the pages they foreseen

01:42:57.920 Death Squad

01:42:59.080 Death Squad

01:43:03.240 Death Squad

01:43:06.300 Never look

01:43:15.100 Death Squad

01:43:16.620 When the last trumpet sounds

01:43:18.720 And the heavens

Nephilim Death Squad - June 13, 2026

Fridays Are For The Lord w⧸ Ed Mabrie 6⧸12⧸26

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