Nephilim Death Squad - HELL： The Book of Revelation Series Part XXI w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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00:01:15.160 We are being hypnotized by people like this.

00:01:22.480 Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. 0.99

00:01:27.120 We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

00:01:34.780 The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely

00:01:40.620 Oh yeah, dude. 1.00

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00:01:44.040 It's like we all know what's going down. 1.00

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00:01:50.000 They controlling us now. 0.99

00:01:51.660 We know we're talking about how they made us try to be slaves.

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00:02:02.820 Welcome to the end of day.

00:02:04.540 Everybody is slaves.

00:02:06.000 Only some are aware that the government releases.

00:02:09.920 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:02:14.400 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:02:17.340 That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:02:20.820 And it is Friday, baby.

00:02:22.660 The Fridays are officially for the Lord.

00:02:24.920 And so we are back once again with a continuation of our Book of Revelation series with Ed Mabry.

00:02:31.540 Ed, if you could, for the people, before we get started, let everybody know where they can find your work.

00:02:38.320 Sure.

00:02:38.920 The best place to find me is my website, faithbyreason.net.

00:02:43.300 That's tons of videos and podcasts and blogs.

00:02:48.220 And you can see there the Genesis series is up to number two.

00:02:53.440 I'll have probably number three up next week.

00:02:56.760 So, yeah, go there.

00:02:58.180 YouTube, Rumble, X.

00:03:00.560 So, yeah.

00:03:01.960 That's the spot.

00:03:03.480 We were talking right before the show about how these Book of Revelation breakdowns are such a great tool for people.

00:03:09.860 But there's a much more in-depth, a much richer version that exists on faithbyreason.net.

00:03:17.140 So, if you find this to be helpful to you, if this is one of the series that you really enjoy and you're looking for a deeper dive on it, head over to faithbyreason.net.

00:03:25.840 And you'll gain access to a much more thorough examination of the Book of Revelation.

00:03:30.980 Yeah.

00:03:31.780 Please do.

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00:03:34.760 There we go.

00:03:35.380 So, today we're going to be getting into New Jerusalem.

00:03:40.800 No, I keep writing that.

00:03:42.520 I keep getting it wrong.

00:03:43.680 But I guess I'm still more consistent than David with the Roman numerals.

00:03:47.540 I'm not even going to try to guess what number we're on today.

00:03:49.840 I don't want to guess.

00:03:51.120 21.

00:03:51.680 21.

00:03:52.060 21.

00:03:52.300 21.

00:03:52.380 21.

00:03:52.800 Okay.

00:03:53.240 All right.

00:03:53.940 So, that's what XX.

00:03:55.280 Okay.

00:03:55.440 Those are tens.

00:03:56.140 That's a one.

00:03:56.600 Okay.

00:03:56.820 Good.

00:03:57.020 I'm getting it.

00:03:57.500 I'm getting it.

00:03:58.620 We're not doing New Jerusalem today.

00:04:01.640 Instead, we are diving into hell.

00:04:05.660 This is what I've been made to understand before the show started.

00:04:07.860 Is that correct, Ed?

00:04:08.860 That is correct.

00:04:10.520 Very exciting.

00:04:12.420 Oh, before we start, did you guys mention you wanted to say something about the New Jersey

00:04:16.040 thing on this episode?

00:04:17.920 Oh, yeah.

00:04:18.600 Top, you had something that you wanted to discuss a little bit.

00:04:21.460 I don't know if it was anything in particular.

00:04:23.820 You just wanted to mull it over.

00:04:25.880 Yeah.

00:04:26.100 Let me start.

00:04:26.420 I'm asking the YouTube chat. 0.99

00:04:27.640 Are you going to hell? 0.98

00:04:29.780 Oh, that's a good one. 0.99

00:04:31.940 Yeah.

00:04:32.080 Yes or no.

00:04:33.100 And that's what they say.

00:04:33.780 Well, yeah.

00:04:33.800 I hope not.

00:04:34.680 Yeah.

00:04:34.900 Hopefully, we'll get 100% no, but we'll find out.

00:04:38.800 Yeah.

00:04:39.060 So, there's UFOs in New Jersey.

00:04:40.940 We've been talking about this a lot the last two weeks or so.

00:04:44.780 And now, everybody's talking about it.

00:04:47.640 So, last night, I was watching a Netflix documentary about the crypto space.

00:04:52.940 And lo and behold, who pops up?

00:04:55.740 Cliff High.

00:04:56.460 So, basically, these guys are running, I forget the name of the documentary.

00:05:00.480 They're running a crypto scam.

00:05:02.160 You can take Bitcoin and use a debit card to, like, you know, you'll swipe your debit card

00:05:07.020 and it'll automatically take the Bitcoin from that account.

00:05:10.780 But it's got to go through banks.

00:05:12.440 And it was almost impossible to do at the time.

00:05:14.420 I think it's still pretty impossible because banks don't want to cooperate.

00:05:18.160 These guys made it seem like it was possible.

00:05:19.820 The scam artists.

00:05:21.460 Cliff High, his web bot, they actually mention it, but they don't know what it is.

00:05:25.640 They go, his web bot picks it up and Cliff High mentions them.

00:05:29.360 It's called, like, Centra.

00:05:31.240 That's the name of their company.

00:05:32.220 So, he goes, oh, Centra's doing big things.

00:05:34.600 Centra blows up.

00:05:35.540 They've got, like, you know, people coming in.

00:05:37.460 People are interested.

00:05:38.500 They're investing money.

00:05:40.660 So, I'm like, oh, my God.

00:05:41.700 Look at Cliff High playing a part in this.

00:05:43.640 Then it turns out that a little bit later, Cliff High realizes that web bot has made a mistake.

00:05:48.780 And it said that Centra was involved with, like, some kind of central bank.

00:05:54.720 But it was really a clerical issue.

00:05:57.020 And anyone who's in the crypto space knows that a bank can't, like, banks and crypto are not really going to get in bed.

00:06:04.520 Well, now they are a little bit more.

00:06:05.760 But in 2012 or so, or 2014, they're not doing that.

00:06:10.340 And so, he misreported.

00:06:12.580 Then he actually went back and reported correctly and basically exposed these guys.

00:06:16.000 But I'm watching this documentary with Cliff High.

00:06:18.220 He's the guy who made the prediction about the melee in the skies on December 3rd.

00:06:23.160 I don't know if you're aware of that, Ed.

00:06:24.860 No, I wasn't.

00:06:26.060 Oh, boy.

00:06:26.700 Oh, man.

00:06:27.300 Yeah, basically, he's got these web bots that scrape data off the internet.

00:06:30.420 And there is emotionally charged language in dialogue between one individual to the next.

00:06:34.880 Somehow, they can take that emotionally charged language and derive a prediction from it.

00:06:39.160 By the way, it does have a psychic bent to it.

00:06:41.300 I wasn't aware of that.

00:06:42.220 There is a psychic element.

00:06:43.160 Cliff High believes that human beings are all psychic inherently.

00:06:45.640 Somehow, through our language, there are things you can gleam.

00:06:48.420 And so, long story short, this thing predicts that there's going to be a podcast between Trump and Rogan.

00:06:53.940 It predicts this 15 years ago.

00:06:55.720 And then there would be an ensuing event 39 days after that on December 3rd.

00:07:00.300 And that would be of a UFO variety as well as a government infighting sort of a situation.

00:07:06.180 And, you know, in very many ways, you could argue that's exactly what's happening right now.

00:07:09.920 Because the guy with the Freemason dad, yeah, that worked for the CIA, same dude.

00:07:13.840 Literally a CIA baby.

00:07:16.720 He grew up around CIA agents.

00:07:18.880 I don't trust him as far as I can toss him.

00:07:21.080 But still worth considering the information that he's putting out.

00:07:24.960 And, you know, Top, on that topic, because it does plug in to the biblical narrative,

00:07:30.320 I'm anticipating now, because it seems like it's a reality.

00:07:35.980 Whatever Cliff High predicted, there is some sort of psychological operation taking place.

00:07:40.860 They're getting ready to roll out a very large-scale deception.

00:07:43.840 Probably the largest that we've seen in our lifetimes.

00:07:46.920 And it's really saying something, considering we just went through lockdowns and all of that.

00:07:50.760 So, let me just roll back real quick.

00:07:53.020 Because December 3rd, he says December 3rd that there's going to be a melee in the skies.

00:07:57.100 Or at least, like, this is when it's going to start.

00:07:59.020 So, we're talking about it well before December 3rd. 0.95

00:08:02.020 And all of our friends who think we're crazy already, they're like, you guys are crazy.

00:08:06.320 There's no way that this happens.

00:08:07.740 December 3rd comes and it goes.

00:08:09.760 And nothing really happens.

00:08:10.900 But David was on, like, TikTok, or your wife was on TikTok.

00:08:13.820 And she's seeing these UFO videos.

00:08:15.900 They're calling them drones.

00:08:17.440 This is when it first started happening.

00:08:19.200 Like, right, December 3rd.

00:08:20.600 Now, here we are.

00:08:22.000 It's the 13th.

00:08:23.300 We're, you know, 10 days later.

00:08:25.640 And they're flooded.

00:08:26.360 That's a national conversation.

00:08:27.420 Yeah, it's getting.

00:08:29.000 You don't know about this, Ed?

00:08:30.660 I have been paying attention to the news, honestly.

00:08:33.180 Really?

00:08:33.200 This is insane.

00:08:33.880 The White House has been forced to address it.

00:08:35.800 The press secretary's talking about it.

00:08:37.940 The Pentagon has been forced to address it.

00:08:40.220 It is insane, Ed.

00:08:42.200 Okay.

00:08:43.480 He's writing it down.

00:08:44.440 Yeah.

00:08:44.560 In New Jersey, basically, they're just unidentified drones.

00:08:48.100 They're calling them drones.

00:08:49.360 And they're kind of, like, flying around.

00:08:51.360 They're moving weird.

00:08:52.180 The size of Volkswagen buses, by the way.

00:08:54.060 Yeah.

00:08:54.320 Big ones.

00:08:55.020 Small ones.

00:08:56.600 There's been a couple of crashes.

00:08:58.780 Coming out of the ocean.

00:08:59.800 Coming out of the ocean, no problem.

00:09:00.560 They're blaming Iran.

00:09:01.700 And then the Pentagon comes out and says, it's not Iran.

00:09:04.060 And it's not our craft either.

00:09:05.900 We don't know what it is.

00:09:07.140 They're also saying there's nothing to worry about.

00:09:09.380 Now they're in New York.

00:09:10.760 And they're also in some other states.

00:09:12.660 So this guy says December 3rd.

00:09:14.800 And everyone calls us crazy.

00:09:16.520 And here we are 10 days later.

00:09:17.840 I was like, it looks like something's going on in the sky.

00:09:20.860 And it's like a slow build.

00:09:23.140 It wasn't all at once.

00:09:24.540 And by the way, there are now these anecdotal, because you can't verify their time frame.

00:09:28.440 You don't know if this is relevant to the conversation.

00:09:30.420 But videos of craft being shot out of the sky, videos of craft being chased by, you know, fighter jets, all these different things.

00:09:39.380 We really seemingly have gotten to the point where this guy's predictions are well unsettled.

00:09:45.520 Now, don't trust him.

00:09:47.960 A lot of really wild things going on here.

00:09:50.820 Also, looking at his information.

00:09:52.320 Go ahead.

00:09:52.660 I know this is completely aside from the book of Revelation.

00:09:55.100 Not really.

00:09:56.000 No, I'm going to reel it in.

00:09:57.240 So go ahead.

00:09:58.200 During that documentary, I brought it up because it's not that he was wrong.

00:10:03.140 His web bot scraped it because he's looking for data on crypto stuff.

00:10:08.260 And then it pulled up their Centric coin.

00:10:10.980 And his web bot just got it confused or like got it right, but not quite.

00:10:16.300 It got it.

00:10:17.460 It associated with a bank that wasn't associated with it.

00:10:21.260 But it still picked up that, hey, these guys are doing some technology here that can change how we use cryptocurrency.

00:10:28.340 So he was on it, misread the data or the thing the web bot gave him data that was like.

00:10:35.060 And it seems like this is what happens.

00:10:36.280 It gives them data that's like not as obvious.

00:10:38.240 Like when it said there would be a podcast with Rogan and Trump and that would be the precursor.

00:10:42.860 It didn't say podcast.

00:10:44.280 It said it would be like because it didn't have a word for podcast in 2009.

00:10:47.860 It was like it'll be like a TV show.

00:10:50.420 It'll be well produced.

00:10:51.580 They'll sit down.

00:10:52.940 They'll talk.

00:10:53.480 And he's like, I don't know what this means.

00:10:54.700 Like, why would Joe Rogan talk with Donald Trump?

00:10:57.320 Donald Trump's not president.

00:10:58.360 Joe Rogan does fear factor in the UFC.

00:11:00.240 Yeah, I was going to ask.

00:11:01.440 He wasn't even he wasn't even podcasting then.

00:11:04.560 He was only in his infancy.

00:11:06.600 Like, I think he was still in his own house doing it.

00:11:10.440 Wow.

00:11:11.060 But I bring it up because it's like it's not that this thing is wrong, but it's not perfect.

00:11:16.700 It's not.

00:11:17.500 It's just giving you like loosely what it what it predicts.

00:11:21.900 Right.

00:11:22.000 So take that take that with, you know, how you'd like this, how you like to take it.

00:11:25.600 But to to spin off that and how this does connect to the biblical narrative is that if you are to take Cliff's predictions a little bit more seriously now, because we are in the middle of this.

00:11:36.520 Well, he seems to think that what's going to happen is there's essentially going to be a UFO disclosure.

00:11:41.640 This is going to springboard an entire scenario where we go into what he calls sci fi future.

00:11:47.100 This idea that all the suppressed technology is going to come to the surface.

00:11:50.180 The economy is going to collapse, but we're going to be fine by the time June comes.

00:11:52.980 Let me also say this, David, and I'm going to pull this up because I did had I have an email correspondence with Cliff.

00:11:59.780 He did.

00:12:00.400 He didn't want to come on the show.

00:12:02.000 But what he told me, I was like, the hell does that mean?

00:12:05.420 So I said, do you want to come on?

00:12:07.200 He says, yeah, I don't really do YouTube.

00:12:09.560 And he has some personal things going on.

00:12:11.420 So I was like, well, if you have time, I'd love to talk to you.

00:12:14.020 This was in November of last month.

00:12:16.900 And then I go, we have a good relationship with Rumble.

00:12:19.580 I understand.

00:12:20.380 Take care of your personal stuff.

00:12:21.480 Keep us in mind.

00:12:22.200 Would love to chat, preferably before the end of the Kali Yuga.

00:12:25.620 A joke.

00:12:26.740 And he just, he emails back a Yukteswar.

00:12:31.140 And I was like, I don't know what that means.

00:12:33.240 So I, I search it and I forgot that he emailed this back, but I searched it last night.

00:12:39.180 Yukteswar is like this Indian mystic guy.

00:12:42.200 And he believes that we're not in the Kali Yuga, but that we're in the Devapara Yuga.

00:12:48.020 So the Kali Yuga is an age of men where they, they're going to be obsessed with, uh, with materialism.

00:12:54.940 Right.

00:12:55.100 Yeah.

00:12:55.300 Like a dark age.

00:12:56.400 Yeah.

00:12:56.580 Uh, the Devapara Yuga is when men are going to be, uh, discovering things more spiritually

00:13:02.280 and more technological.

00:13:03.900 So what are you talking?

00:13:05.260 So that comes after the Kali Yuga?

00:13:07.380 Yes.

00:13:07.800 And he, so I think, I think Cliff is saying that the Kali Yuga is over or it's already like

00:13:13.500 whatever.

00:13:13.920 Every, I don't really believe in this kind of stuff, but I do, I do agree with like this

00:13:17.560 age of like, we're moving from this to this.

00:13:20.060 Yeah.

00:13:20.340 It's the same thing.

00:13:20.940 Helena Bavatsky says we're going to the age of Aquarius in 2025.

00:13:24.300 Everybody's pointing to this time period as something, but the nature of it is where

00:13:28.460 they deviate from us.

00:13:30.360 Uh, and that is the most important thing.

00:13:32.340 But just to, just to finish this train of thought, um, if he's correct and we do see some

00:13:38.340 sort of like alien deception get unfolded on the world, uh, we're going to see a massive

00:13:42.100 falling away from so many of the religions worldwide.

00:13:46.020 And I love that you're bringing it back.

00:13:48.680 I love that.

00:13:49.240 Right.

00:13:49.560 And so people like us, I do believe are going to be, I don't want to say this is like, you

00:13:55.440 know, we're going to be kind of important.

00:13:57.180 And the reason that I say that is because we look at Christianity and include the supernatural

00:14:03.840 worldview, whereas so many Christians do not know those Christians are going to have

00:14:09.480 a lot of trouble with this.

00:14:11.160 We are not going to have any trouble with this because we've been anticipating this

00:14:16.100 coming and defining it slowly as this show has progressed.

00:14:19.660 And so to see it come to fruition, it only vindicates us.

00:14:24.260 We we've been saying that we're going to see something like this for a long time.

00:14:27.660 Um, and this is the lens that you should be looking at it through.

00:14:30.440 So, um, I don't know what's going to happen, but like resources like faith by reason.net or

00:14:36.380 resources like Nephilim death squad or, you know, blurry creatures, um, uh, uh, uh, the

00:14:41.520 confessionals, you know, it's Sam Tripoli.

00:14:43.820 All these people.

00:14:44.660 Yeah.

00:14:45.420 Are going to become a lot more important to the conversation than I think we have been

00:14:49.960 previously.

00:14:50.440 Obviously, because if you are having struggles with your faith, because they're showing you

00:14:54.460 grays, alien grays and things like that, or Billy Carson or Billy Carson, right?

00:14:59.900 Uh, you'll turn to the church.

00:15:02.420 Hopefully hope to God, you go to a church that can piece this together for you, but there

00:15:06.740 will still be resources.

00:15:08.100 People like us will still be talking to people like you.

00:15:11.660 Right.

00:15:11.800 So, um, I think it's going to really change the dynamic.

00:15:15.120 Uh, and I think if, if this is true, we're about to enter a whirlwind and it's going to

00:15:20.600 be great.

00:15:21.080 I'm, I'm having a blast.

00:15:22.200 I'm loving it.

00:15:22.920 Um, but it's about to get really crazy.

00:15:25.520 It's about to get really crazy.

00:15:26.900 So a few things.

00:15:27.740 Number one, I feel like I've been under a rocker.

00:15:29.700 So I'm trying to think, what have I been doing the last few days that I missed?

00:15:33.160 I'd see these things that I'm like, what does Ed think?

00:15:35.380 Like, that's what I'm thinking.

00:15:36.320 Um, dude, I'm, I, my bad for not, I guess my algorithms are off my YouTube because nothing's

00:15:41.240 popped up in my channel.

00:15:42.180 And I don't know.

00:15:42.920 I've, I've been trying to stay away from, from like, from news because it just, you

00:15:47.980 know, gets in the way of things and I don't believe most of it anyway.

00:15:51.500 But I think I need to maybe have a little more moderation in that because yeah, I, I

00:15:56.340 miss it.

00:15:56.640 I'm going to, I'm going to dive into it right after the show because that's insane.

00:16:00.120 What's set it off for us is like, it's the Facebook feed.

00:16:02.820 It's just regular people who are like, what are these lights in the sky?

00:16:05.740 Yeah.

00:16:06.320 Normal people.

00:16:07.400 And you know, it's not just like, you know, government approved bots.

00:16:10.780 No, I used to live in New Jersey.

00:16:12.240 So, um, I've seen personal friends of mine that I went to high school with that are talking

00:16:16.020 about it.

00:16:16.780 Yeah.

00:16:16.960 And I lived in Brooklyn right across the water.

00:16:18.840 And now they're like, I see personal friends of mine that they're like, they were above the

00:16:22.280 Verrazano bridge last night. 0.99

00:16:23.460 And I'm like, Oh, damn. 0.99

00:16:25.640 Nice. 0.98

00:16:26.220 And other things I'm going to check out this, this guy, um, uh, cliff cliff.

00:16:31.440 Hi.

00:16:31.720 Yes.

00:16:32.020 Like I said, take him with a grain of salt.

00:16:33.840 He's onto something very interesting.

00:16:35.340 He deviates incredibly.

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00:16:54.400 He basically says that at the top of this, there is the Elohim worship cult and, uh, the 0.98

00:17:00.460 Elohim have put in charge essentially the Jews and that, um, the Elohim are real, but 0.95

00:17:09.420 he seems to think that these aliens are separated in some way from them.

00:17:14.400 Okay.

00:17:15.340 And, well, yeah, I think you make the argument.

00:17:18.100 I think that the aliens are physical ones are actually Nephilim and the Elohim are what 1.00

00:17:22.700 we call angels.

00:17:24.440 I would say that there's a tremendous connection and you need only look to like LA Marzulli's

00:17:28.560 work where it's like, you have this narrative of the fallen and what their interests are

00:17:32.640 in human beings and human DNA.

00:17:34.720 And once you look over to what the grays are doing to us, it's all genetic manipulation. 1.00

00:17:39.740 It's all, um, interbreeding between species.

00:17:43.500 It's the same story.

00:17:44.920 It's just done through a more technological Avenue.

00:17:47.440 And once you look at that, that is, should be enough for you to go.

00:17:52.140 Something is interesting here and I need to be digging.

00:17:54.180 And once you dig, there is a never ending amount of information that goes, Oh, these

00:17:58.380 things are ancient biblical adversaries who hate mankind.

00:18:02.460 Well, the other thing, and I think I, I talked about this on, on this show early on, maybe

00:18:07.260 even before the revelation series or maybe during, and that is the, the idea of the spiritual

00:18:11.660 law of as above, so below, which is what we call predictive programming.

00:18:15.580 Because the, the question that I've had, you know, in my conspiracy, um, searches is like,

00:18:21.080 why do these people feel the need to tell us what they're going to do before they do it?

00:18:24.960 I mean, it seems counterproductive if you, I mean, if you're a small elites, this small

00:18:29.260 elite group, why would you want to telegraph anything that you're going to do ahead of time?

00:18:33.500 Because I mean, your biggest, your, your biggest enemy, your biggest adversary is other

00:18:38.240 people having knowledge.

00:18:39.040 So you would think you want to keep everything as, as secret as much as possible, but then

00:18:42.460 there's that spiritual law that you, you have to speak something into one realm so that

00:18:46.540 it manifests in the other realm.

00:18:48.400 You know, if that's how, that's how God created the universe.

00:18:50.420 I'm actually going to be talking about that in, um, in my next, um, excuse me, in the next

00:18:55.580 episode of the Genesis series is that God spoke into the, into the spiritual realm and

00:19:00.100 it manifested here on earth.

00:19:01.280 You know, let there be light, let there be animals, mountains, trees, what, and whatnot.

00:19:04.640 So he follows that law.

00:19:05.680 That's the law that he established.

00:19:06.800 And then we get to the book of Daniel, where we see, you know, the, the vision, we did talk

00:19:11.360 about this division of those four beasts, which represent the four world empires.

00:19:14.740 This, these are, these are the bad guys, the evil Elohim giving their plan for how they're 1.00

00:19:19.500 going to, you know, take over and how they're going to accomplish their goal through these,

00:19:23.400 you know, four empires from Babylon to Rome and Rome in the second half, you know, Rome

00:19:27.880 part two, which I believe we're in now because, um, because the Roman empire never fell.

00:19:32.000 It just became, uh, um, uh, became a theocracy, which became a banking system, which is where

00:19:37.400 we are now.

00:19:37.900 But the point, and then they're, then, then they're going to bring in their antichrist.

00:19:40.780 We see this all in, in, um, in, uh, Daniel chapter seven.

00:19:43.800 And because they spoke it, it's going to manifest.

00:19:46.720 That's why God could, uh, justly judge it in Daniel chapter seven and say, okay, that's

00:19:51.000 your plan.

00:19:51.480 Got it.

00:19:51.780 It's going to manifest.

00:19:52.660 Here's my counter plan.

00:19:53.820 I'm going to send down the son of man, Jesus, and he's going to inherit these nations. 0.97

00:19:57.560 The point is bringing it back to what's going on with this cliff guy.

00:20:01.320 It could be that this is part of that.

00:20:04.240 This is the, as above, so below speaking things into one realms, they manifest in the other

00:20:08.920 realm, predictive programming, because they, it's a law that they, that all spiritual entities,

00:20:13.740 and us have to do.

00:20:14.860 I mean, when we pray, that's what we're doing.

00:20:16.440 We're speaking something in this realm so that it manifests spiritually.

00:20:19.680 So that's another thing.

00:20:21.400 And finally, 2025, man, we, we, I think we've mentioned this before.

00:20:25.380 I, I w I was hearing about this years ago, but you know, before we ever met, Helena Blavatsky

00:20:31.900 said, um, it was back when I was listening to a show, um, uh, called radio Liberty by the

00:20:37.980 with the late Dr. Stan Monteith.

00:20:39.860 And he would have a guest on by the name of Dennis Cuddy, who I think he was part of it.

00:20:43.240 Um, very well-educated guy was part of the department of education under Reagan.

00:20:47.060 Anyway, he was a receipt researcher and he would say that Helena Blavatsky and her ilk

00:20:53.140 in the twenties and thirties were saying, yeah, by 2025, the, the, the new world order, as

00:20:58.300 it were, would be rapidly taking shape.

00:21:00.360 Right.

00:21:00.860 And also that we've been moving into, or we will be moving into a new age, which is

00:21:07.760 fascinating when you couple that with Donald Trump's proclamation of a golden age that is

00:21:12.460 coming.

00:21:13.320 And, oh, and last thing, cause you said, you know, Christians are going to be caught off

00:21:16.140 guard, believers.

00:21:16.900 And yeah, I think they are because we talked about this maybe a little bit on the episode

00:21:20.460 we did, um, about, you know, the Trump derangement syndrome with, with John Lenhart is that Christians 0.58

00:21:25.140 are exuberant over, over the election of Trump.

00:21:28.040 Okay, great.

00:21:28.760 We're going to get our stuff again.

00:21:29.900 You know, we've, you know, we're going to get our money back.

00:21:31.880 We're going to, you know, the economy is going to be better.

00:21:33.460 Inflation is going to be gone.

00:21:34.500 I'm going to start to enrich my portfolio.

00:21:36.480 Like you guys are focused on the wrong stuff.

00:21:38.880 Don't get me wrong.

00:21:39.660 I mean, I, I don't, I don't mind seeing, you know, my, my 401k kind of getting a little

00:21:44.220 bigger, but dude, that's like, I've been talking to top about it.

00:21:49.700 It's like, if we are to get a, you know, golden age, like, okay, sure.

00:21:54.620 Sure.

00:21:55.260 Um, I anticipate that lasting about three and a half to four years.

00:21:58.640 And I think that it's like the Bible when it says, when they say, uh, peace, peace and

00:22:04.400 prosperity, peace and safety.

00:22:05.920 Yeah.

00:22:06.480 Yeah.

00:22:06.760 Sudden destruction will fall upon them.

00:22:09.080 And so I look at it that way and I go, I'm going to appreciate the fact that I can afford

00:22:14.240 things, but I'm also going to be positioning myself in such a way, strengthening my relationship

00:22:18.380 with God and anticipating that this is not going to last forever.

00:22:21.440 And look, um, no matter what you do, it's not going to last forever.

00:22:25.660 You're going to die one day.

00:22:26.640 So it's probably best to do those things anyway. 0.91

00:22:29.000 Yeah.

00:22:29.420 And it would not surprise me.

00:22:30.420 I hope this doesn't happen.

00:22:31.320 But if there's like, you said that brief, um, economic crash.

00:22:35.840 So yeah, we shall see.

00:22:37.420 That's, that's part of the data set that Cliff High is, is, um, interpreting.

00:22:42.960 I think it's the best way to put that he's getting information and he's interpreting it and

00:22:46.820 trying to see how it fits into this worldview.

00:22:49.020 He's suggesting that December and January are going to be one hell of a ride and it's going

00:22:54.800 to be terrifying and there's going to be all this infighting economic collapses.

00:23:00.000 The dollar is going to collapse allegedly.

00:23:01.880 Um, but come June, we're going to, uh, emerge from this situation.

00:23:07.740 And from there, that is where we're going to enter.

00:23:11.160 What Cliff says is sci-fi world.

00:23:13.220 What Donald Trump says is the golden age.

00:23:15.340 What hell of Helena Blavatsky says is, you know, the, the new age of Aquarius, whatever 1.00

00:23:19.880 it is.

00:23:20.780 Um, we'll be experiencing that according to these predictions, which, you know, they, they

00:23:25.800 do have some pliability, um, as far as their timeframe.

00:23:29.020 We'll be experiencing that come June.

00:23:31.580 We'll be entering that, but between now and then, uh, it's going to be a bumpy ride.

00:23:36.560 So do with that information, what you will guys.

00:23:39.120 And if you see it unfold, don't let it shake your faith.

00:23:42.380 Um, I have found that the Bible has plenty of information on these happenings that you

00:23:48.100 can use it to make sense of things.

00:23:49.800 And, um, when have we ever taken the government's information on, on what these things are?

00:23:55.580 You know, we're, we're used to one deception after another deception, after another deception.

00:23:59.960 When the government tells you that our benign space brothers are here to do one thing or

00:24:03.660 another.

00:24:04.520 Run for the hills.

00:24:05.460 Why would you believe that?

00:24:06.180 Yeah.

00:24:06.560 Run for the hills.

00:24:07.340 Why would you believe that?

00:24:11.280 All right.

00:24:11.920 All right.

00:24:12.200 Let's get into this, um, this, this hell, which by the way, I've, I've learned is a pretty

00:24:18.760 contentious subject within the Christian community.

00:24:21.200 Um, there are no existing hell that you won't be going there.

00:24:26.100 Um, and so a lot of people believe that this is a control mechanism that the church has

00:24:30.760 levied against the people.

00:24:32.120 Uh, I'd very be very much be interested in, uh, in your take on this.

00:24:36.400 Yeah.

00:24:36.880 Yeah.

00:24:37.080 So we're, we're going to get into that.

00:24:38.320 Um, cause what I'm going to do is I'm going to first, first half of this, I'm going to

00:24:42.580 talk about some, some of the myths about hell, some things that hell is not that we think

00:24:46.960 it is in pop culture and then what it is, because again, hell is, is such a big subject,

00:24:53.620 um, just universal, whether you are a faith-based person or not, you understand, you know,

00:24:57.860 the concept of hell.

00:24:59.080 And when you have something that's, that's a part of our popular culture, it tends to,

00:25:02.720 a lot of fiction gets mixed in with the facts and sometimes it's even more so.

00:25:06.940 And, and, and then people take the fiction and they run with it and say, well, the Bible

00:25:10.160 said this, or Christians believe this.

00:25:12.080 Like, well, no, we actually don't.

00:25:14.280 It's kind of a straw man argument.

00:25:15.500 You're taking, you know, something that you read in a book or, you know, Dante's Inferno,

00:25:19.740 the divine comedy, or something you saw on, on, you know, in a picture or a painting of,

00:25:24.500 of Satan ruling hell.

00:25:25.880 And you say, well, this is what the Bible says.

00:25:27.760 And it gets things off tilter.

00:25:29.960 So I want to just start with, with that.

00:25:31.220 A few of them are obvious and then some of them are a little more subtle, but just to

00:25:34.960 back up, how do we get here?

00:25:36.000 Well, last time, last week, I believe we talked about the great white throne judgment.

00:25:39.520 That's, so this is after the millennial reign, um, it's over the final test and everyone

00:25:45.620 has, is, has on one side or the other.

00:25:47.560 Everyone is, all human beings are gone, are physically, um, are, are, are gone right now.

00:25:52.200 Either you are, um, you either have your heavenly resurrection body or you are, um, or, or, or

00:26:00.180 you're dead in unbelief. 0.58

00:26:02.540 And then heaven and earth pass away.

00:26:04.240 Heaven and earth is gone.

00:26:06.300 They will, we're going to have a new heaven and new earth.

00:26:07.940 We're going to start talking about that next time, um, because it's going to have to be

00:26:11.240 recreated for several reasons that this one cannot, cannot exist in the new Jerusalem

00:26:17.600 space.

00:26:18.420 Again, we'll get into that next week.

00:26:20.540 Um, so now we had the final judgment, the great white throne.

00:26:24.500 Everyone was, everyone's at the great white throne are people who are going to be judged

00:26:28.680 based on their works.

00:26:29.880 They're being judged based on what they said, Hey, I'm a, I'm a good person, or I'm not a

00:26:33.460 good person, whatever you're going to be judged based on what you did, which is, you

00:26:36.360 know, what a lot of people say they want.

00:26:37.380 Hey, if I'm a good person, I should, you know, I should get X, Y, and Z.

00:26:40.280 I should get, um, I should be in, I should be in heaven because I'm, I'm good.

00:26:44.200 We talked about why that's a fallacy last week.

00:26:45.800 So I don't want to, you know, go back to that episode.

00:26:48.760 So now that, so there, it was a, you know, the two judgments, one year judged on your

00:26:52.960 works.

00:26:53.620 And then if you're in your judgment, whether or not you're written in the book of life,

00:26:57.540 the book of life for those who are going to be in, in, in new Jerusalem, maybe in eternity

00:27:02.420 with God, it's, it's, you can almost look at that book of life as it's, it's based

00:27:07.260 on, you know, in ancient times, you had a, a roster of, of the citizens of a city.

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00:27:28.480 And once you entered the city, became an occupant of the city, you were written down in that

00:27:32.520 book as, as a citizen.

00:27:33.860 And if you were born in that city, you were written down as a citizen.

00:27:36.880 And if you leave, then you're, you're scratched out.

00:27:38.940 And that's what the book of life is.

00:27:39.960 If you are, if you become a believer, um, you are, well, I think we're all written in at

00:27:45.500 birth and then you can be marked out if you, um, once you decide that you are not going

00:27:50.280 to be a believer at some point, but everyone else will be, will be sent to the lake of fire.

00:27:57.440 It's called Gehenna, which is what we commonly call hell.

00:28:00.120 So let's go through some of the myths, some of the things that are not true.

00:28:02.840 And the first one is one that I think if you're sophisticated, you know, this isn't true,

00:28:06.860 but it's still in pop culture.

00:28:08.500 And that is that hell is the domain of Satan and the demons that, you know, God rules heaven

00:28:14.000 and Satan rules hell.

00:28:16.200 That it's his, he has a throne there.

00:28:17.980 You know, you can see like the, the old South park shows where they have the devil ruling

00:28:21.600 hell and he has his pitchforks.

00:28:23.360 And when you go to, when you're sent to hell, then there are demons with pitchforks poking

00:28:27.500 at you and torturing you and all this kind of stuff.

00:28:30.060 Well, this isn't true.

00:28:32.080 Satan does not rule hell because it's one of those fictions that I think most people know

00:28:36.660 it's a fiction, but one of the misconceptions that it breeds is the idea that God and Satan

00:28:42.640 are co-equal, that they are enemies, that they're battling head to head and they're on

00:28:47.720 some kind of level plane.

00:28:49.480 And, you know, Satan could win the war or God could win the war.

00:28:53.000 No, we, that's not true.

00:28:54.720 Satan and God are not co-equal.

00:28:56.500 Satan is not God's enemy.

00:28:58.420 God could wipe Satan out in a minute and he will. 0.99

00:29:01.100 He sends him, he sends him to hell.

00:29:02.580 He's actually the third entity that goes to actual, to the lake of fire.

00:29:07.160 So he, so Satan does not rule hell.

00:29:09.240 Hell, you know, you have to get rid of some of these, the ideas you see in these paintings

00:29:13.260 or reading the divine comedy.

00:29:15.560 No, hell is where Satan and the demons and the fallen angels are going to be sent.

00:29:22.080 So, I mean, that brings us to the next one, which is that hell, yeah, go ahead.

00:29:27.900 So where does, when Jesus, he's, when he's dead for three days, where does he, where does

00:29:34.580 he go?

00:29:36.280 I'm going to get to that, but I'll tell you now, he goes to what's called, okay, it's

00:29:40.080 called the grave or Hades.

00:29:42.380 Okay.

00:29:42.780 That's different than the lake of fire.

00:29:45.100 So Hades was, is just the, it's Hades or Sheol.

00:29:48.160 Hades is, um, is, is Greek in Hebrew is called Sheol.

00:29:51.400 It just means the grave.

00:29:52.660 It is where all the dead went before Jesus's resurrection.

00:29:57.600 There were two compartments in Hades.

00:29:59.780 One compartment was called Abraham's bosom.

00:30:02.460 And if that's where you would go, if you were, if you believed in the promise of the

00:30:06.900 Messiah, you would go there, but you, but you weren't saved yet because Jesus hadn't

00:30:11.720 died and resurrected.

00:30:12.420 So you would go there.

00:30:13.220 So it was a place of, of paradise.

00:30:15.620 And you, and if you were, um, unrighteous dead, if you did not believe, then you went

00:30:20.340 to Hades.

00:30:22.100 So I'm sorry, you went to another compartment of Hades called torment.

00:30:26.260 And what, which was really uncomfortable.

00:30:27.840 We see in the, um, in, in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus that Jesus gave, he

00:30:33.200 said, you know, Lazarus was this, you know, poor beggar and the rich man treated him poorly

00:30:37.000 and they both died.

00:30:38.180 Lazarus went to, went to Abraham's bosom and the rich man was in torment and he was aware

00:30:43.620 of where he was.

00:30:44.740 He was, you know, he, he was very uncomfortable.

00:30:47.760 He said he was, you know, he, he asked that, you know, uh, that Abraham send Lazarus over

00:30:52.280 to give him a drop of water to quench his tongue.

00:30:54.240 Um, so the question would be why, why are these, um, unrighteous dead in Hades and not

00:31:01.640 in, um, Gehenna in, in the lake of fire yet?

00:31:05.080 And it's because they haven't been, they haven't been judged yet.

00:31:06.820 The great white throne of judgment hasn't happened.

00:31:08.540 So you can consider Hades like jail and, um, hell prison.

00:31:13.400 You know, you're, you're, you're in a holding cell until you're finally judged.

00:31:17.060 And then you go to, to the lake of fire.

00:31:19.300 And on the other side, you might call that, um, limbo as well, right?

00:31:22.640 Like that's kind of the concept of limbo.

00:31:24.660 Um, kind of the concept of limbo purgatory.

00:31:26.660 We're going to get into because purgatory is something different according to, into catechism.

00:31:30.660 So, yeah, I mean, if you want to call it limbo, you can, it's not going to be as bad as hell

00:31:35.280 because you haven't been punished based on your works yet, but it won't be a place where

00:31:38.780 you're going to be very happy.

00:31:40.200 Could this, uh, explain.

00:31:42.240 So, cause I think modern Christianity and I struggle with this as well.

00:31:46.020 Um, when you die, I'm like, well, your spirit goes somewhere, you go up or down or however

00:31:50.920 you like to think of it, but it doesn't change the fact that there are weird supernatural

00:31:55.180 occurrences.

00:31:56.460 And, uh, like we like to discuss on the shows, like is all, are all of this, are all these

00:32:01.200 occurrences, all these entities, Nephilim, some form or other, like taking the place of 0.92

00:32:05.740 a familiar or does this actually like, is there room for this stone tape theory where there's

00:32:10.840 things kind of around like old spirits?

00:32:13.280 Yeah, um, I can't completely discount that cause I'm not an, I'm not an expert in that

00:32:17.480 area.

00:32:17.940 My belief, if you were to, you know, to, to, to nail me down on it, I believe when familiar

00:32:21.760 spirits are, first of all, familiar spirits exist, we all have them.

00:32:26.520 And I mean, it's actually, I'm attributed in the book of Matthew because you know, the

00:32:29.400 whole, the idea of a guardian angel is not just, you know, uh, uh, you know, a child's

00:32:34.100 fairy tale.

00:32:34.660 It's true that we are, it says in Matthew, I don't have the, I can't remember the verse

00:32:37.980 right now from me, but, but all children are given a good angel and there's who's, who's on

00:32:42.360 their side, they also have an evil one.

00:32:44.080 So that whole, the whole, you know, the old cartoons of a good angel on your one shoulder

00:32:47.920 and a bad angel on the other shoulder, that's actually not completely inaccurate.

00:32:53.040 You do have a familiar spirit and that's assigned to you and that knows you and knows your

00:32:57.560 weaknesses.

00:32:58.200 That's why we always tend to fall or fail in the same area because that one knows what

00:33:04.120 to do for, I'll give you an example of mine.

00:33:06.640 One of the things that like really ticks me off and gets me in a bad mood is if somebody

00:33:10.800 being rude in traffic.

00:33:13.140 I think I may have mentioned this before when I'm driving, it's like everybody on the road 1.00

00:33:16.660 is an asshole. 1.00

00:33:18.080 Ed brings this up every once in a while. 1.00

00:33:19.200 He's like, have I mentioned that I am really angry when it comes to traffic?

00:33:21.820 Also, I drive very fast.

00:33:23.440 I drive very fast and I'm a really angry driver. 1.00

00:33:26.020 And when I'm driving, I've said this before, everybody on the road is like a jerk. 0.99

00:33:29.940 I mean, people are tailgating me. 1.00

00:33:31.020 People are cutting me off.

00:33:31.800 Like, what is this happening?

00:33:32.580 Why is this happening to me?

00:33:33.480 When my wife drives, everything's fine.

00:33:37.880 Nobody's doing that to her.

00:33:38.740 And if they do, it's like, it's no big deal.

00:33:41.200 Because I think it's, I truly believe that they know what triggers us and knows what gets

00:33:46.960 us in a foul mood and then leads us to do things we don't want to do.

00:33:51.760 So the reason I brought that up is I think a familiar spirit, let's say I die tomorrow

00:33:56.180 and someone wants to say, we'll have a seance.

00:33:59.040 We'll bring Ed's spirit back.

00:34:00.120 Are they bringing my spirit back or are they conjuring that familiar spirit?

00:34:03.480 Who's been with me my whole life and knows me and can speak on my behalf more or less

00:34:09.200 and can say, oh yeah, here's where I grew up.

00:34:12.600 This is, you know, this is where I went to school.

00:34:14.660 They know all this information.

00:34:15.620 So like, oh wow, that's really Ed because they know all these things that only he would

00:34:19.600 know.

00:34:20.800 Now, so that's not top to discount that maybe there is some odd things happening because

00:34:25.500 we see in the, in the, in the book of second Samuel where King Saul, who's the first king

00:34:32.180 of Israel before King David, he, you know, Saul was his advisor.

00:34:35.840 I'm sorry, excuse me.

00:34:36.440 Um, Samuel was his advisor.

00:34:38.160 Samuel dies and in Saul is in a tough spot and he wants Samuel back.

00:34:43.600 So he goes to a mystic, um, called the, the witch of Endor.

00:34:47.800 Yeah.

00:34:47.980 Same Endor as, um, in star Wars.

00:34:50.320 Wow.

00:34:51.020 Well, I mean the same, same name.

00:34:52.720 Right, right, right, right.

00:34:53.920 And she, and, and Samuel spirit appears to Saul and no, he not very nice to him, but the

00:35:01.120 whole point is that's, that's a biblical example of someone who was dead.

00:35:06.480 And it was, it was him.

00:35:07.980 It wasn't like an apparition.

00:35:09.180 It wasn't like, you know, a fake Samuel.

00:35:11.160 It was actual Samuel coming back and speaking to Paul.

00:35:13.500 So to me, it makes sense that that spiritual realm would be as diverse as probably infinitely

00:35:19.760 more diverse than the physical realm that we inhabit because of that sort of fractal

00:35:23.380 nature of reality or that as above, so below that we see so often.

00:35:26.980 Yeah.

00:35:27.460 Um, we have, you know, solitary confinement.

00:35:30.460 We have probation.

00:35:31.340 We have a County jail.

00:35:32.920 We have a prison.

00:35:33.540 We have a holding cell in a police station.

00:35:36.080 And we have a lot, know a lot about this stuff, huh?

00:35:38.240 David, I lived a life.

00:35:40.820 And so, so, I mean, there's so many different sentences that we implement as human beings

00:35:48.980 in this realm.

00:35:49.840 Uh, and there's so many different punishments, you know, from one cage to another.

00:35:54.120 I do expect, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a range of diversity.

00:35:59.280 This is for high max prisoners, the fallen, right?

00:36:02.860 This is for, um, maybe there's a purgatory.

00:36:06.100 It's kind of like probation.

00:36:07.300 You know, we pass by them.

00:36:08.360 They're just doing the sort of spiritual version of picking trash up on the side of the road.

00:36:12.660 You know what I mean?

00:36:13.020 Like, I do think that there is diversity within that because who are we to expect that we

00:36:18.380 can create systems that are so diverse, but that God wouldn't.

00:36:22.660 Yeah, well, and if you look at it, there's, there's some biblical evidence of some of these

00:36:25.960 things.

00:36:26.480 You have some, like, fallen Elohim that are in what's called the bottomless pit. 1.00

00:36:30.420 We talked about that before.

00:36:31.320 They're released during Revelation.

00:36:32.600 So that's different than Hades per se.

00:36:35.540 Then there's also some that are locked under the oceans that are going to be released.

00:36:40.320 There's some that are locked in the river Euphrates.

00:36:41.800 So I'm guessing that these, they're different levels of punishment.

00:36:45.720 So, and if you, if you look at the book of Enoch, which isn't, it's not a part of canon,

00:36:49.540 but I think it's a book that should be taken seriously.

00:36:51.740 It goes into even more detail about the realm that these fallen entities end up in.

00:36:58.440 Yeah.

00:36:58.760 They're like on a mountain, right?

00:36:59.960 It's like, yeah.

00:37:01.400 I don't know how he describes it.

00:37:02.560 It's like, like people, regular people on a mountain, but they're kind of like, they're

00:37:06.240 like in, I don't know, from what I remember, they're like in caves and they're like,

00:37:09.460 they're not doing too good, but they're like alive.

00:37:12.020 It's just, that was when the, the angels were taking Enoch on basically a tour of all 0.97

00:37:17.040 the most horrific shit that he had ever seen. 0.98

00:37:19.060 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:19.600 And he's like being flown over, like, what is that great abyss?

00:37:23.000 And he's like, oh, don't worry about that.

00:37:24.440 That's where we toss the fallen.

00:37:25.800 And then he's like, what is this thing?

00:37:26.840 And he's like, that's actually, um, there's a tree in there.

00:37:29.560 Uh, it's a long story.

00:37:30.720 And then they keep going.

00:37:31.800 I'm like, yo, they just flew him over the garden of Eden.

00:37:34.700 That's wild.

00:37:35.340 So yeah.

00:37:35.920 I mean, in that book, if you are to incorporate that into your worldview, Enoch is shown,

00:37:41.080 more than a few different places that seem to have some real spiritual significance for

00:37:46.400 punishment or otherwise.

00:37:47.800 Right.

00:37:48.140 Real quick.

00:37:48.980 Go to the last episode, episode 20.

00:37:50.920 The whole thing was about the levels of blessings that we're working for here.

00:37:55.200 Yes.

00:37:55.380 Yes.

00:37:55.900 Yeah.

00:37:56.180 Honestly, that last episode, I've been looking for a reason to say it.

00:37:59.200 Um, and I'm glad that lucid legend brought that up because, uh, one of my favorite episodes

00:38:03.200 that we did, and it really was a lot of, there was a lot of clarification in that when it

00:38:06.300 came to the great white throne of judgment and the other throne where you're essentially

00:38:09.620 being judged by Jesus, uh, based off of your rewards, you had already been saved.

00:38:14.020 Right.

00:38:14.380 Uh, there's two different places, you know, which once again, just speaks to the fact that

00:38:18.920 why would we create a system that is so diverse and so intricate and have God not have something

00:38:24.960 that, you know, dwarfed that.

00:38:26.580 I was on a podcast yesterday when I was talking, I was doing the whole speed of light thing and

00:38:30.660 we were talking about simulation theory and I said, yeah, this world is a simulation.

00:38:34.700 So if it's a simulation, it's a simulation of something else.

00:38:37.600 Yes.

00:38:37.880 So we are simulating what the spiritual realm, I mean, the arc of the covenant, the true

00:38:41.920 arc of the covenant is in the, is in the heavens, in the throne room of God, the arc of the covenant

00:38:46.220 that we, that was on, on, on earth was a simulation of that.

00:38:51.240 So yeah, it will make sense that we're simulating some things, whether consciously or unconsciously.

00:38:55.840 This is that thing, right?

00:38:56.860 When it comes to something like leaning on your own understanding, like we've come so far

00:39:00.140 as human beings in so many ways, we're spiritually dwarfed and our understanding is very limited,

00:39:03.840 but still our technological advancements are considerable.

00:39:06.720 And I don't know, it's, it's, uh, it just feels like what we're doing is we're looking

00:39:12.480 at something and we're attributing a 2024 human beings, uh, concept to it because we

00:39:20.520 have computers and we have video games.

00:39:22.300 And so, oh, there are details of this realm that seem to coincide with the very details

00:39:27.080 we would create to create a video game.

00:39:29.360 Thereby, this must be a simulation.

00:39:31.300 And it's like, oh, so close, but still retarded because there's all these details that we're 0.98

00:39:35.360 missing and we're just reducing it.

00:39:37.240 It's, it's, it's unbelievable because.

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00:39:55.040 We just, the hubris of us to get to a point in our technological advancement and go, oh,

00:39:59.200 we've cracked the code.

00:39:59.960 This is simulation.

00:40:01.020 We live in a simulation.

00:40:01.840 It's like, we're still just learning.

00:40:03.500 I highly recommend the movie, The 13th Floor.

00:40:07.320 It came out like, well, I think late nineties, but it, it's, it's about, um, a, a science,

00:40:13.280 a group of scientists, video game designers, basically who create a simulated world that

00:40:17.540 they can enter into, but then they find out, I'm going to give away the spoiler.

00:40:20.740 They found out at the end of the movie that they were actually in a simulated world.

00:40:24.600 So they made a simulation.

00:40:25.560 It's out of a simulation, which is, yeah.

00:40:28.280 Yeah.

00:40:28.440 I've actually never really cool movie.

00:40:30.100 I love this guy.

00:40:31.320 Look at his name.

00:40:32.820 He has a great voice.

00:40:33.820 The hat man.

00:40:34.820 The guy with the hat.

00:40:35.500 Yeah.

00:40:35.800 Oh yeah.

00:40:36.160 That's, um, um, he, he played the president on 24, uh, Dennis Haysbert.

00:40:40.400 Okay.

00:40:40.880 Yeah.

00:40:41.000 He's great.

00:40:42.000 Yeah.

00:40:42.440 Yeah.

00:40:42.560 He, you know, he is.

00:40:43.160 He's one of my favorites, but that's just that thing, man.

00:40:45.700 It's like, uh, you know, sure there are elements, but, but it's so much more grandiose

00:40:51.440 than how we've come to kind of in our smugness, smugness.

00:40:55.760 And we like, oh yeah, it's a simulation where we're always asking for, we're always trying

00:40:59.540 to simulate what is in heaven or what, what God would do.

00:41:03.420 And like right now we're asking for a God, King dictator sort of thing.

00:41:07.760 And it's like, oh, that's the, that's, you know, the iron rule of Jesus Christ.

00:41:11.300 Not quite.

00:41:11.840 We're not there yet, but like we're asking for it and you never quite get it.

00:41:15.240 And we get the fake one first, the antichrist.

00:41:16.840 And the last thing on this is you were talking about all the technology stuff.

00:41:19.940 I think a strong argument can be made that a lot of our technological advances were, are

00:41:24.180 spiritually influenced.

00:41:25.360 I mean, we talked about when Nephilim, when the fallen angels first came down, um, and,

00:41:30.300 and spawned the Nephilim, they also gave the secrets of heaven, technology secrets.

00:41:34.080 And I'm, I'm, I'm convinced I'm, I very strongly believe that after world war II, when you have

00:41:40.800 the Roswell stuff happening, cause I think there was so much bloodshed.

00:41:43.180 But I think it, it, then the veil blood hitting the ground does that.

00:41:45.880 We've talked about that before.

00:41:46.980 I think it allowed, I think it allowed a great amount of spiritual influence to come into

00:41:50.940 the world.

00:41:51.360 And that's when our technology took off, dude, we have been top has been on that trail for

00:41:56.960 the past few episodes.

00:41:57.800 He's like, this happened.

00:41:58.940 And then what happens in 47, the Roswell thing and Israel's created right afterwards. 0.92

00:42:02.380 And all these different advancements all take place in like the mid to late forties is

00:42:06.480 like, yeah, 47 is like Roswell, right?

00:42:09.420 47 is 47, 48, something like that.

00:42:11.540 And then 48 is creation of Israel.

00:42:15.000 And then right after that, you have Jack Parson and L. Ron Hubbard doing the Babylon working.

00:42:19.380 And then that was created.

00:42:21.200 Yep.

00:42:21.760 I dude, I'm telling you like, that is a great explanation for the sudden burst in that kind 0.61

00:42:27.220 of activity is the bloodshed.

00:42:29.580 And I personally, I enjoy being called crazy for like being like one plus one equals two.

00:42:34.300 But the more I do it, I'm like, Oh no, one plus one equals two, baby.

00:42:37.760 If you're not seeing it now, I don't know.

00:42:40.240 That's so funny.

00:42:40.960 I just want to say really quickly, I love how that comes together because so often something

00:42:44.220 that I'm exploring or top explores is then incorporated into a larger conversation an

00:42:49.140 episode or two later.

00:42:50.380 And this is just one of those things.

00:42:51.520 That's a great, that's a great line of thought.

00:42:54.180 Cool.

00:42:55.260 Yeah.

00:42:55.460 So let's move on to the, to the next one is that myth is that, or the hell is not made

00:43:00.680 for man.

00:43:02.000 The lake of fire was not intended for human beings.

00:43:04.020 Um, we were, we're not meant to be, it was meant for spiritual evil.

00:43:08.280 God did not create it for, for us.

00:43:10.060 He created for the fallen angels and the fallen Elohim. 1.00

00:43:12.860 I'm sorry, it's fallen, fallen Elohim and the Nephilim and all spiritual badness. 0.98

00:43:17.120 But the problem is that there's a binary choice.

00:43:20.540 You have to be with him or separated from him.

00:43:23.420 God's intention.

00:43:24.180 He says this pretty clearly in the scriptures, you know, God's will is that none should perish,

00:43:29.120 but that all should come.

00:43:30.040 I'm paraphrasing, but that all should come to faith in him.

00:43:32.200 God's desire is that for every human being to believe in him.

00:43:34.900 His desire isn't like, I want to, some of you guys, I want to bring to heaven. 1.00

00:43:37.640 And the rest of you guys, you guys suck. 1.00

00:43:39.200 I want you to go to hell. 1.00

00:43:40.280 No, that is not, it was not made for us. 0.99

00:43:43.300 But if you choose not to be with God, then there's no, by default, you have to be without

00:43:50.200 him.

00:43:50.320 We talked about that a little bit in the last episode.

00:43:52.280 So it's not, he, it wasn't made for us.

00:43:54.520 So then the torment was not intended for us.

00:43:56.280 And we're going to talk about what that torment is.

00:43:58.380 I mean, a bit.

00:44:00.140 And, um, this, and so this, this next piece kind of dovetails with it.

00:44:04.840 And that, uh, thank you.

00:44:07.060 And that is that hell is not a place that God sends anyone.

00:44:12.600 And this is one of those myths that, you know, God sends people to hell.

00:44:15.560 You hear it all the time.

00:44:16.460 I mean, it drives me nuts because I'll hear people saying it as I'll hear some Christians 1.00

00:44:20.360 saying it and I'll hear unbelievers saying it as a pejorative.

00:44:23.220 Like, you know, why would a loving God send me to hell?

00:44:25.700 He wouldn't.

00:44:26.460 A loving God does not send you to hell.

00:44:28.140 God does not send you to hell.

00:44:29.620 If you are in hell, you're there for one reason.

00:44:31.720 And one reason only because you rejected the invitation to heaven.

00:44:35.580 Everyone is invited to heaven.

00:44:36.820 It says, you know, the most famous verse in the Bible for God so loved the world that he

00:44:39.800 gave his only begotten son.

00:44:41.020 So that whosoever believe there's not people who people I like believe is whosoever you

00:44:46.980 have the chance. 0.97

00:44:47.660 We talked about it last week where if you, you could live a crappy life, be a horrible 0.99

00:44:51.720 person and then have a deathbed confession. 0.87

00:44:53.540 And if it's sincere, you're going to heaven, not based on what you did, but based on what

00:44:57.360 Christ did based on, on the invitation.

00:44:58.640 Of course, your reward isn't going to be the same as someone who's, you know, lived

00:45:01.300 a more virtuous life, but you, whosoever.

00:45:04.880 And the, the problem and the reason that many Christians will also parrot this is due 1.00

00:45:11.380 to Calvinism.

00:45:13.040 And one of the, you know, one of the tenants of Calvinism, you know, you have a, what a

00:45:17.060 tulip, a total depravity, um, you know, unlimited, uh, I don't, forgive me.

00:45:22.420 I don't, I don't have all the, the, uh, I have, I've never memorized the tulip.

00:45:26.460 I always get, um, oh, unconditional something or other and blah, blah, blah.

00:45:30.240 But anyway, but there was one aspect of which is predetermination.

00:45:34.780 Basically irresistible grace, um, states that if God meant for you to be to heaven in heaven,

00:45:41.360 you're going to be there, whether you like it or not.

00:45:44.460 It's inevitable.

00:45:45.600 You're predestined. 0.99

00:45:46.560 And if God did not choose you, then you're predestined to hell. 1.00

00:45:50.700 That makes God a jackass. 0.99

00:45:53.780 It makes him unjust because basically he's saying that before you were born, I already 1.00

00:45:57.180 decided whether you're going to heaven or hell and it doesn't matter.

00:46:01.700 So like if a baby is born, never done anything, God said, you know what? 0.83

00:46:04.420 You, you're going to hell, kid. 1.00

00:46:05.920 Sucks for you. 1.00

00:46:07.600 That's unjust and it's unrighteous. 0.99

00:46:09.140 And it basically is, is blasphemous because if you believe that God's going to send you

00:46:12.520 to heaven or hell without, before you even make a choice, then first of all, that means

00:46:17.840 there's no free will.

00:46:18.740 And again, that means God's unrighteous.

00:46:20.240 It means he's unjust, which basically you're saying God doesn't exist because God is always

00:46:23.720 and completely right, right and just, he's completely righteous and completely just.

00:46:27.160 And it is completely unjust for God to violate your free will and say, you are going to hell.

00:46:33.220 Um, because I said so now what he can say is that I see the pattern of your life and basically

00:46:39.600 on this pattern, you're going to go to hell based, based on the, on the series of choices

00:46:43.440 I see you making based on the information that I have, but it's not.

00:46:47.260 So that's why God can declare this guy's going to hell, not because God is sending them there,

00:46:51.520 but because he can see, he has all the information in the world.

00:46:55.060 He can see the pattern that you're on and he can see that.

00:46:58.080 Okay.

00:46:58.160 He's not going to repent.

00:46:59.400 I see where he's going.

00:47:00.560 Isn't it interesting, like how you, you're describing it to be like what we just talked

00:47:05.460 about with Cliff High's, uh, web bot where it's an AI, but I mean, obviously this web

00:47:10.400 bot is not God, so it doesn't get things completely right, but it's all it's doing

00:47:14.460 is saying like, here's the pattern.

00:47:16.560 Patterns, right.

00:47:17.220 Exactly.

00:47:17.960 Yeah.

00:47:18.560 Yeah.

00:47:19.260 And also it's like a replication of God. 0.89

00:47:21.160 Like they always do, you know, like crappy, crappy replication.

00:47:25.080 And on that note of like this predeterminism, um, it doesn't really make sense.

00:47:31.380 Logistically, it doesn't seem to serve a purpose.

00:47:34.000 I, you know, obviously having some degree of free will and constantly being, being given

00:47:39.860 a choice that functions properly.

00:47:43.200 And I just find the more and more that we do this, um, that the Bible is, is actually

00:47:49.360 a lot more logical than people give credit.

00:47:52.600 Um, you know, people reduce it to like, oh, you believe in a fairy tale and a man with a

00:47:56.040 beard in the sky.

00:47:56.600 And it's like, no, right.

00:47:57.740 I believe in spiritual systems and a creator.

00:48:01.260 Um, and I, I recognize a saga unfolding of the fall of mankind and an opportunity given

00:48:06.660 for redemption.

00:48:07.220 And within this story, there is quite a lot of, um, logically functioning systems.

00:48:13.100 And, uh, and that, that's one of the things that I think is really, you know, I, that's

00:48:18.520 why I love your, your, um, that saying faith by reason.

00:48:23.920 It, it, it, it's a great saying because previously, I think a lot of people thought you just had

00:48:29.100 to have blind faith.

00:48:29.980 And it's like, no, there is, there's a lot of reason to be found in this.

00:48:34.260 Exactly.

00:48:34.900 And that's, yes, not what God, um, it's not the faith that God requires.

00:48:38.180 And so I, I hate, I'm going to do this really quick because I always get called out when

00:48:42.220 I try, when I bring up Calvinism and Tulip and I keep forgetting what, what they mean.

00:48:45.060 So I'm going to do it right now here really quickly.

00:48:46.840 The T is for total depravity, meaning we're all sinners, which actually I kind of agree 1.00

00:48:50.420 with the U is unconditional election, meaning that again, you're chosen by God unconditionally.

00:48:55.600 He's said, you know what?

00:48:56.340 You're going to heaven and the L is for limited atonement, meaning that Jesus didn't die for 0.54

00:49:00.860 everyone.

00:49:01.440 He only died for the people who were going to accept him, which honestly doesn't make any

00:49:05.300 sense.

00:49:06.500 Then there's I is irresistible grace, which means that, you know, if, if you are called,

00:49:11.260 no matter how bad you are, no matter you, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to be

00:49:15.540 saved.

00:49:16.460 His God's grace is irresistible.

00:49:18.120 He's going to draw you to him because he's already chosen you, you know, whether you like it or not.

00:49:22.440 And the P is for perseverance of the saints, meaning that once you're saved, you can never

00:49:27.880 change your mind.

00:49:30.260 This is a great question.

00:49:32.000 Shout out to Nancy. 1.00

00:49:33.000 She decided to show up today.

00:49:34.560 She says, can I get baptized without joining a church?

00:49:37.220 That is honestly a great question for me because it's something that I think about often.

00:49:43.220 Oh, sure.

00:49:44.060 So it depends on your definition of church.

00:49:46.780 If you mean it in organization, then no, you don't have to.

00:49:49.640 You can be baptized.

00:49:51.600 People were baptized before there was even a church.

00:49:54.560 Jesus was baptized.

00:49:55.740 John the Baptist was, that's why it was called John the Baptist.

00:49:57.480 He was baptizing people.

00:49:58.280 The church didn't exist until Acts chapter two.

00:50:00.960 So baptism is a symbol of your confession of faith.

00:50:04.820 And you can, you can be baptized without being a part of any formal organization.

00:50:08.860 You're being baptized into the Christian faith.

00:50:12.620 And just remember, and also in the book of Acts, when the disciple Philip, he witnessed

00:50:17.980 to the Ethiopian eunuch and he was, the Ethiopian eunuch was reading from the book of Isaiah.

00:50:23.660 Philip is literally raptured to him, to witness to him.

00:50:26.880 And, and he teaches him from the book of Isaiah that, you know, because, you know, Isaiah has

00:50:31.500 a lot of prophecies about Jesus.

00:50:32.560 He says, yeah, Jesus is the one who, who is prophesying this book and the eunuch believes

00:50:36.900 him.

00:50:37.020 And he says, look, can I be baptized?

00:50:39.000 Philip said, sure.

00:50:39.740 Baptized right then and there.

00:50:40.640 Then he went back to Jerusalem. 0.78

00:50:42.020 So, and he didn't join a, an organization.

00:50:44.660 So baptism is a symbol of your confession of faith.

00:50:46.780 So yes, you absolutely can be great.

00:50:49.240 Great.

00:50:49.540 That's a, that's good to know.

00:50:51.300 All right.

00:50:51.840 So, um, what else we said, we already talked about Hades, so I don't need to bring that

00:50:55.180 up.

00:50:55.340 That was my other one.

00:50:56.420 Um, oh, here's one hell is not purgatory.

00:51:00.640 So what is purgatory?

00:51:02.560 I know you got brought that up.

00:51:03.400 And I think to maybe confusion between the idea of purgatory and limbo, purgatory is something

00:51:07.520 that was essentially invented, um, in the Roman hierarchy.

00:51:11.480 Purgatory is, is, it's not just a holding cell.

00:51:14.480 It's where you go.

00:51:15.300 If you are a part of the Catholic church, and of course, in, in, in Catholic catechism,

00:51:20.580 in order to be fully saved, you have to be a part of the Catholic church.

00:51:24.280 You cannot, according to their theology, I am not fully saved because I am not a Catholic.

00:51:28.420 But once you are baptized into the Catholic church as an infant, they sprinkle the water 0.95

00:51:32.220 on you and Hey, you're part of the church.

00:51:33.320 Now you're written in the roster.

00:51:35.500 You are saved.

00:51:36.780 However, you have to, you have to do all the good works in order to earn your way directly

00:51:41.700 into heaven when you die.

00:51:43.420 Oh, however, if you aren't a good person, if you do bad things and you're, you're bad

00:51:48.560 outweighs your good, you go to purgatory temporarily to be cleansed with your, of your sins

00:51:53.940 by fire, so you have to suffer for a while in purgatory until you've paid the excess

00:51:59.080 for your excess sins, then you're brought into heaven.

00:52:03.180 That's what purgatory is.

00:52:04.180 It's a place of temporary suffering for people who are believers. 0.99

00:52:08.720 It's time out.

00:52:09.940 Yes.

00:52:10.240 Time out.

00:52:10.680 But you're suffering.

00:52:11.780 This is, and this is why you've, you've watched, you know, mob movies, mafia movies,

00:52:16.920 or even, you know, maybe even witnessed a few of them yourself, you know, it's to all

00:52:21.080 Catholics.

00:52:22.860 They, yeah. 1.00

00:52:23.240 They're horrible people. 0.95

00:52:24.400 I mean, they're, they're doing terrible things. 1.00

00:52:25.740 They're, they're sex trafficking. 0.98

00:52:26.700 They're doing casino, you know, gambling, prostitute, prostitution rings, like murder, 1.00

00:52:32.400 all these kinds of things, but they're all Catholic. 0.98

00:52:34.020 Why?

00:52:34.440 How can you claim to believe in God and Jesus and still readily do all these different,

00:52:39.200 all these horrible things because they're in, in Catholicism is a, I think it's a great 0.89

00:52:44.160 racket.

00:52:44.960 You can pay to be prayed out of purgatory.

00:52:48.860 Nice.

00:52:49.300 If you give a certain amount of money to the church, the priest will pray for you to exped

00:52:53.900 you out of purgatory.

00:52:54.640 So in the mind of a mobster, they can say, look, this is great for me.

00:52:58.020 I can go out and like live the life. 0.94

00:53:00.080 I can, you know, rob, cheat, steal, kill, run, run guns, sex traffic. 0.99

00:53:05.080 But then when I die, I'll give a, have a million dollars sent to the Catholic church. 0.99

00:53:09.260 And when I go to purgatory, because I was baptized in the church, so I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm

00:53:13.680 saved.

00:53:14.000 When I go to purgatory, um, I paid money.

00:53:16.560 A priest will pray me right out of there.

00:53:18.020 So, you know, I don't even suffer that long and off I go to heaven.

00:53:21.140 It's crazy.

00:53:22.140 Great racket.

00:53:22.760 Point two, uh, top, uh, I mean, uh, I'm sorry, Ed, uh, shout out to not nice guy.

00:53:27.460 He says, baptism is a choice.

00:53:29.100 Babies can't make a choice. 1.00

00:53:30.220 And it seems like the choice from what I'm gathering is the most important part.

00:53:35.400 It's the ability to choose.

00:53:37.260 Yes.

00:53:37.820 Right.

00:53:38.200 It is.

00:53:39.140 And that's what infant baptism was.

00:53:40.520 One of the things that the, the reformation with Martin Luther and, and Calvin and some of

00:53:44.540 the others, you know, they did some good things that, you know, Luther and Calvin were

00:53:47.640 not perfect.

00:53:48.120 They did some things that were not well, right.

00:53:51.140 And that have really impacted the church negatively.

00:53:52.880 But one of the many things that they did get right was rejecting infant baptism. 0.63

00:53:57.360 Again, there's no choice there.

00:53:59.340 And, but, but they want you to be part of the church so that you start paying into it.

00:54:04.280 I mean, why do you think the church got so bloody rich? 0.86

00:54:06.800 You had all these rich jackasses throughout history who, you know, who were baptized into 1.00

00:54:12.760 the Catholic church and they don't want to go to purgatory. 0.94

00:54:15.540 So, Hey, we'll give you guys money.

00:54:16.940 Pray us out of purgatory.

00:54:17.820 So we can live the life we want to live here on earth.

00:54:20.260 Then we don't even get to have to suffer in hell.

00:54:22.300 We get the best of both worlds.

00:54:23.840 But I think they're in for a very rude awakening because there's nothing biblical about purgatory.

00:54:28.020 Nothing.

00:54:28.300 There is a passage in the book of Maccabees, which is not a part of the biblical canon that

00:54:34.640 infers purgatory.

00:54:36.520 But again, the book of Maccabees is more of a history book about the, about the, the cleansing

00:54:43.560 of the temple, the overthrow of the, of the, the, the, the Greek, the Greek ruler who was,

00:54:51.440 who was put over that area of Israel, Antiochus Epiphanes and how he violated the temple and

00:54:57.420 the Jews rolled, rose up and overthrew him, which is where we get Hanukkah from. 0.79

00:55:00.720 But the Maccabees were the name of the people who, who, who kicked the Greeks out of, out 0.98

00:55:04.800 of, out of Israel and out of Jerusalem.

00:55:06.780 So yeah.

00:55:07.900 Interesting history book, not canon.

00:55:09.240 And, and, but that's the only place where you even get an inference to there being a

00:55:12.940 possible purgatory, but it's not biblical. 0.95

00:55:15.700 Shout out to screwed up Texas, who says Raven wants to be baptized by the local hobo in his 0.97

00:55:20.140 apartment complex, kiddie pool, LOL. 0.95

00:55:22.340 And I don't really appreciate you talking about the secrets that I share with you on stage

00:55:26.400 or on the show, but I do wonder, it's like, will any body of water do, is it, is it truly,

00:55:32.880 and I know this is all speculative, but it's like, is it, I feel like it's really hinging on

00:55:37.620 the intention of the recipient of the baptism.

00:55:41.320 So I almost feel like it doesn't matter who is there conducting it with you.

00:55:45.240 It doesn't matter what body of water, it depends entirely on your belief and your faith and your

00:55:50.880 desire for a relationship and to be redeemed, you know, through Jesus Christ.

00:55:55.820 So do you think that that's accurate?

00:55:58.420 I mean, if somebody said an impromptu, because in very many ways, it's like, if you go to Vegas

00:56:04.620 and you get married, I do think as long as you're making a, a proclamation before God,

00:56:10.440 then it is what it is. 0.99

00:56:12.960 And regardless of whether or not it's Elvis who's doing it and you're in this weird ass 0.74

00:56:17.020 little place in Las Vegas, what's that? 0.92

00:56:18.780 So God's not in Vegas.

00:56:20.040 He's not, he's not there.

00:56:21.460 Well, I think he's massively disappointed every time you do it, but he's like, yeah, dude,

00:56:25.920 I mean, that's the deal.

00:56:26.840 If you really mean it, then that's the deal.

00:56:28.500 Um, do you think that it matters this, the, the grandiose level of ceremony associated

00:56:34.340 with it, or can it be done?

00:56:35.680 I don't think the level of ceremony matters, but I think it, it should be, um, some, the

00:56:40.200 person baptizing you should actually be someone with some type of, of, of authority and knowledge

00:56:45.120 so that they're doing, they're doing what they're doing knowingly.

00:56:47.460 Um, and when you talk about the Elvis and, and marrying people in Vegas, that's, that's

00:56:52.020 state marriage, that's legal marriage, according to our laws, I think marriage to God is a 0.70

00:56:56.220 commitment that you make, um, you know, you don't, you don't need to basically, um, we

00:57:01.420 talk, I mean, we may have talked about this before, but sex is marriage, right?

00:57:04.500 Right.

00:57:05.000 So that's, that's how you seal the marriage covenant with God.

00:57:07.520 So the thing in Vegas is more of, of a, you know, getting a license and getting whatever

00:57:12.380 privileges, benefits and detriments with marriage.

00:57:16.000 So maybe, you know, according to, they lost taxes and all that kind of stuff.

00:57:21.100 So maybe, yeah.

00:57:21.940 Okay.

00:57:22.140 All right.

00:57:22.420 All right.

00:57:22.620 That's fair.

00:57:23.180 Uh, all right.

00:57:23.640 Please continue.

00:57:24.240 Yeah, sure.

00:57:24.640 So another thing hell is not, and I think we're going to get, this is getting into something

00:57:27.980 we talked about very early in the show about the controversy that Christians have with

00:57:32.260 it.

00:57:32.980 Hell is not annihilation.

00:57:35.180 There are many Christians, even some I respect, um, who either believe it or, or entertain the 0.97

00:57:40.660 idea that it's annihilation, meaning that you go to hell, inspire you, then you go poof, 0.93

00:57:45.180 and then you don't exist anymore.

00:57:48.100 Um, and as opposed to being eternal torment.

00:57:51.920 And I think a lot of it, and I understand it actually, because I have some issues with

00:57:56.420 the concept that we've been taught about hell that I'm going to get into as we, as we end

00:58:00.060 this, but it's, it's basically people trying to be nicer than God.

00:58:03.820 People saying, well, I can't believe that God would have people be tormented eternally.

00:58:08.320 I mean, that's a long time.

00:58:09.120 You're on earth 70, 80 years.

00:58:10.880 Let's say you're not a good person, or you just didn't accept Jesus.

00:58:13.920 Is it really fair that you have to spend eternity, you know, being a charcoal briquette

00:58:18.900 for, for that?

00:58:20.960 So in order to mitigate that, they'll say things like, well, you know, it is fire, but you burn

00:58:25.020 up in the fire and then you just don't exist anymore.

00:58:27.960 Problem with that problem.

00:58:29.160 Number one is Bible is very clear that it's eternal.

00:58:32.540 Secondly, we are spirit.

00:58:36.740 Spirits do not, cannot go away.

00:58:39.160 Spirits are eternal.

00:58:40.400 You are a spirit inside of this flesh body and you are going, you are, we are eternal.

00:58:45.700 The real us, our personality, our memories, you know, who we are, what we've experienced

00:58:50.000 that can never go away because it it's outside of time.

00:58:53.620 You know, we know from relativity that time affects and is affected by mass acceleration

00:58:57.380 and gravity, meaning that you have to have mass to be affected by physical time.

00:59:02.120 Our, our spirits do not have mass.

00:59:04.100 Therefore, they're not subject to time.

00:59:05.460 They are eternal, which is why the most important decision you can make is where are you going

00:59:08.860 to spend that eternity?

00:59:10.880 So it is not annihilation.

00:59:14.020 And, but a lot of Christians believe it because it makes it, it makes it more palatable.

00:59:18.660 It makes the idea of hell more palatable.

00:59:20.440 And also, you know, their, their church is like the emergent church, which, you know, was

00:59:25.720 a really big deal in the eighties and nineties is like the, the progressive churches who

00:59:30.380 believe that, you know, that God is, God is so loving that he could never, that no one

00:59:35.480 could, he could not have the concept of hell in his repertoire.

00:59:39.200 So hell must've been made up by men later on because we believe that God is 100% love.

00:59:44.100 Hell is not 100% love.

00:59:46.060 Therefore God cannot be a part of that.

00:59:48.420 And so they, many of them, many of them believe in what's called universalism, which is that all

00:59:53.220 humans will eventually be saved.

00:59:55.720 That, you know, Jesus was, Jesus is so big that he's going to, he's going to eventually

01:00:00.760 save everyone, which again, would be unjust.

01:00:03.700 Why would, if you reject him, how can, how can, how can you still be saved?

01:00:09.260 I mean, if you don't want to be saved, how he's, he's not going to force you.

01:00:12.720 That would be unjust.

01:00:13.860 But again, there are large swaths of Christians who, who buy into it. 0.85

01:00:19.980 And I think most of us, most Christians just tacitly believe it because we don't think

01:00:24.700 about it.

01:00:26.020 Don't like to think about hell.

01:00:26.940 It's not a pleasant.

01:00:27.800 It's not a pleasant subject.

01:00:29.120 The thought of eternity.

01:00:31.540 We, the thought of eternity suffering is not something that we think is palatable.

01:00:37.080 And I'm going to get to that because I have a problem with it as well because that's the

01:00:41.900 idea that, yeah, so we also went to the eternal part.

01:00:46.220 So I'll get to that, to my problem with it when I, when I describe what I think hell is

01:00:49.720 like.

01:00:50.680 But, um, let me get on just to, um, two more and then I'll, then I'll let you guys, um,

01:00:56.680 give you a feedback.

01:00:58.220 And that two things about hell, hell is what it is.

01:01:00.360 It's separation from God.

01:01:01.240 I think we've, I've talked about that ad nauseum.

01:01:02.880 It means you are, you've deliberately separated from him.

01:01:04.920 It's not just a place of torment where God is going to be pointing at you.

01:01:08.200 Hi, you look what you did.

01:01:09.260 You deserve this.

01:01:09.820 No, you're just, God's going to be as far away from you as possible.

01:01:13.400 It's separation from him.

01:01:15.360 And hell is dark.

01:01:17.180 That's another thing because God is light and there's no darkness in him at all.

01:01:21.840 First John one, five, and that's going to be really important when we get to the difference

01:01:25.280 between heaven and hell and what those two realms are like, um, which we're, which we're

01:01:28.640 going to do on this show, but hell is going to be dark.

01:01:31.420 You're, you're, you're not going to be seeing people suffer alongside you.

01:01:35.120 If you're in hell, I don't think I, because there, there won't be light there.

01:01:38.300 You're going, it's going to be dark.

01:01:40.960 That's interesting because that really lends itself to this like hopelessness aspect because

01:01:44.600 there is a camaraderie and suffering, right?

01:01:46.420 Like group suffering. 0.82

01:01:48.040 I know this is a really crap analogy, but, um, working out by yourself is difficult. 0.59

01:01:53.780 Uh, I do MMA and there's something about suffering alongside a group where we're all, you know, 0.91

01:01:59.680 on our stomachs, uh, or, you know, we're all planking or something like that.

01:02:03.840 And I'm looking around the room, looking at everybody tremble and some people are giving

01:02:07.480 up.

01:02:08.140 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:09.520 At least I'm not that guy.

01:02:10.420 It does.

01:02:10.900 You somehow can derive strength from, from other individuals, even if you're all suffering

01:02:15.800 together.

01:02:16.220 And so it would almost make sense.

01:02:18.000 Like, yeah, there's nothing for you to grasp onto here.

01:02:20.920 So the last thing, the last myth of what hell is not, or, well, actually I can talk about

01:02:28.880 what, what hell is.

01:02:30.160 Um, I can get to that book.

01:02:31.800 So I think I'm done with what hell is not.

01:02:33.640 What, what hell is, in addition to being dark and separated from God, hell is, and this is

01:02:37.180 pretty obvious, hell is hot.

01:02:38.440 So it says you, the, the lake of fire, Gehenna is, is, it says a lake that burns with fire

01:02:45.160 and brimstone.

01:02:46.260 Brimstone was the, is the word for a sulfur, the element sulfur and sulfur burns at about

01:02:52.040 a 450 degrees.

01:02:53.380 That's pretty hot.

01:02:55.780 And the reason that it was, that hell is called Gehenna is, again, it was an actual place

01:03:02.080 outside Jerusalem.

01:03:03.160 It was, it was where they were burning their trash.

01:03:04.720 So, you know, it's, it's not like, you know, today where we can, a trash truck comes and

01:03:09.280 takes our stuff to a landfill back then they would take their trash outside of the city

01:03:12.860 and set it on fire.

01:03:14.000 But that fire never went out because people were always adding to it.

01:03:17.640 So that was kind of the, the, the idiom that Jesus used to describe hell is always burning,

01:03:23.420 always being on fire because Gehenna, that trash dump was always, it was always forever

01:03:27.640 burning. 0.98

01:03:29.000 So hell is going to be hot.

01:03:30.960 But here is the thing.

01:03:32.420 Hell will be hot, but it's not going to be as hot as we think.

01:03:37.700 In fact, hell is not going to be the hottest place in eternity.

01:03:43.540 Okay.

01:03:44.200 I got your attention.

01:03:45.560 Interesting.

01:03:46.660 So here's the thing.

01:03:49.580 I have, I've had a problem with hell.

01:03:54.120 Oh, these guys are rough out here.

01:03:56.760 Yeah.

01:03:57.140 Yeah.

01:03:57.360 There you go.

01:03:58.560 There you go.

01:03:59.180 Good job, boys.

01:04:00.020 So I've been a Christian like most of my life and I've understood the concept of hell,

01:04:07.040 but it's always bothered me tremendously because it, frankly, if I'm being honest, it doesn't

01:04:11.780 seem fair.

01:04:12.920 It doesn't seem just.

01:04:14.140 If you've ever burned yourself, I have, I've gotten as a second degree burn. 0.95

01:04:19.000 Because what happened, I did something really dumb.

01:04:23.080 I had, I had this portable pizza oven.

01:04:25.020 I have in my backyard.

01:04:26.560 It's a tabletop pizza oven.

01:04:28.320 Thing gets really high.

01:04:28.980 It's like up to 900 degrees.

01:04:31.000 You know, you can put a pizza in there.

01:04:31.920 It cooks in like 60 seconds.

01:04:33.300 So, um, I was, I was having the pizza, having a party, a bunch of folks were over a 4th of

01:04:38.760 July, something like that.

01:04:39.520 And I'm just, you know, shoving the pieces in, pizzas in, you know, getting everybody their

01:04:42.920 pizza turned out the table I had it on.

01:04:45.180 The legs weren't stable and it started to tip down.

01:04:48.800 And I saw my expensive pizza oven sliding across the table.

01:04:51.700 And I'm like, no.

01:04:52.640 And I just instinctively reach out and grab it.

01:04:56.860 Oh, dude.

01:04:58.520 That was so white, right? 0.65

01:05:00.760 Again.

01:05:01.580 Yeah.

01:05:02.020 But only for like maybe a second, two at the most.

01:05:05.580 And that was excruciating that two seconds, those two seconds.

01:05:08.580 And then afterwards it got even worse.

01:05:10.100 Cause you know how, when you get burned, that pain does not go away for a while.

01:05:13.420 Crazy pain.

01:05:14.200 I used to be a welder and the amount of burns that I sustained, it's the most insufferable

01:05:20.300 pain because yeah, it doesn't dilute.

01:05:22.020 It just stays like, it feels like your skin's on fire for, I don't know, like a next 24,

01:05:27.220 48 hours.

01:05:28.420 You have to, I have to keep a cold pack on it constantly.

01:05:31.500 The second you take that cold pack off, it's like you, you like you're back in the fire.

01:05:35.420 It's so crazy.

01:05:36.400 And again, that was me touching that for two seconds.

01:05:39.900 I imagine touching, holding it for a minute, 10 minutes, an hour, a day, a month, a week,

01:05:48.800 a year.

01:05:49.800 That seems indescribable pain.

01:05:52.180 And while there are people who, who have lived, who I believe deserve some torment, you know,

01:05:56.460 the sex traffickers, the gun runners, the people who are, you know, the Hitlers, the Stalins, 0.82

01:06:01.740 all, all these horrible people throughout history.

01:06:04.100 But even, I don't, I don't think I'd be comfortable with Hitler have suffering for more than a day. 0.90

01:06:10.040 And that's crazy pain before eternity that I just didn't understand it.

01:06:15.060 It didn't seem right.

01:06:16.200 For again, 70, 80 years, you live on this planet and you have to be burned forever.

01:06:21.200 When again, the torment of just holding something hot for a few seconds and dealing with that

01:06:25.620 is almost unbearable.

01:06:27.880 Yeah.

01:06:29.120 So how do we deal with this?

01:06:31.160 Well, let's look at what God is.

01:06:35.180 God, I quoted 1 John 1, 5 before.

01:06:39.200 God is light and there is no darkness in him at all.

01:06:42.580 Meaning God is 100% pure light.

01:06:45.760 Light, what is light?

01:06:47.560 Light is energy when you really get down to it.

01:06:50.380 So the realm of the heavens, the spiritual realm is energy.

01:06:54.320 It's energy and consciousness.

01:06:56.300 It's what the mystics call the ether.

01:06:58.580 It's this, this, this realm of unlimited energy, that spiritual energy.

01:07:04.700 So energy is hot.

01:07:08.780 God is called in the Bible, a consuming fire.

01:07:11.080 When Moses, I think, I believe it's in the book of Exodus, he asks, he says, he, you

01:07:16.240 know, God's guided him through this, through the, through the 10 plagues.

01:07:19.160 And he's talking to him on the mountain.

01:07:20.880 And Moses says, I want to see you.

01:07:23.000 And God said, you can't because no flesh can be in my presence and live.

01:07:26.600 But what I'll do is I will hide you in like the cleft of a rock in the side of a mountain

01:07:30.420 and I will pass by and you can see the trail end of me.

01:07:34.460 That's so crazy.

01:07:35.800 Yeah.

01:07:36.080 And so he does.

01:07:37.140 And what Moses sees is a burning furnace.

01:07:41.080 God is hot, meaning that the realm of God is hot, meaning that heaven is going to be

01:07:49.140 hot, not just hot.

01:07:50.760 It's going to be the hottest place in eternity.

01:07:53.460 My supposition, and this is really controversial.

01:07:55.460 I always get pushback on this.

01:07:57.140 Heaven is going to be hotter than hell.

01:07:59.640 Wait a minute.

01:08:00.280 What does that mean for us in heaven?

01:08:02.360 Well, in heaven, in the new Jerusalem, we are going to be in the presence of God.

01:08:06.040 We're going to be in the presence of that unlimited energy.

01:08:08.080 The angels, the Elohim are described in Isaiah as being made of fire. 0.99

01:08:14.100 The seraphim, they're referred to being made of fire.

01:08:17.760 So our consciousness is energy as well.

01:08:20.960 When you get an EKG on your brain, what's it measuring?

01:08:23.300 It's measuring the electrical output of your thoughts.

01:08:25.500 So your thoughts, the real you, light, energy, fire.

01:08:32.100 But when we are in the presence of God, we're going to be happy.

01:08:36.240 We're going to be what we were meant to be.

01:08:39.360 So that means that whatever we're made of spiritually, we'll be able to not just withstand

01:08:44.400 the energy, the heat, as it were, of being in the presence of God.

01:08:49.020 We're going to bask in it.

01:08:50.260 We're going to enjoy it.

01:08:51.260 It's where we were meant to be.

01:08:52.460 It's our home.

01:08:54.400 It's our spiritual home.

01:08:55.620 We just need the right form.

01:08:57.240 Let me ask you a question.

01:08:59.100 Yeah, because that's what it seems like.

01:09:00.700 It seems like so.

01:09:01.100 The constitution of the angels allows them to be next to God.

01:09:04.040 And the ones that are closer to him have a higher position because they are closer in

01:09:09.340 proximity.

01:09:10.160 So it's like, and I'm thinking about the Tower of Babel, why they, these, the people, 0.91

01:09:16.680 the Nephilim, the fallen that we're trying to get into heaven could not be allowed to. 0.99

01:09:22.200 And he's like, I got to knock down your tower or your Stargate or whatever you're doing,

01:09:25.280 because if, like, could you actually cause some trouble the closer you get to this thing?

01:09:29.780 Like, do you have more power?

01:09:31.240 The closer you, this thing being God, that is just this source.

01:09:35.960 This source.

01:09:37.100 Yeah.

01:09:37.240 You know what that also reminds me of, by the way?

01:09:40.260 It reminds me of the idea of the djinn, who are often described as smokeless fire.

01:09:45.380 It also reminds me of that entity that our buddy Colin saw, this blue guy, that the

01:09:50.820 way he described it sounds like he's made of plasma, which in some ways is like this crossover

01:09:55.500 between fire and electricity and water, something like that.

01:10:00.620 Um, I wonder if that is, uh, maybe if we ever got to the point where we can grasp these things

01:10:08.240 intellectually, that we might define them as like, yeah, their, their corporeal form is

01:10:13.200 such that it is plasma and energy.

01:10:16.260 It's kind of like fire.

01:10:17.720 And the higher you go up in the ranking, the more pronounced that is.

01:10:22.660 Quite possibly.

01:10:23.600 But let's wrap it up with, with, with this, because, because again, if heaven, if the presence

01:10:29.840 of God is the hottest place, then conversely, the further you're separated from God, the

01:10:34.660 colder you are.

01:10:37.560 So what does that mean?

01:10:38.820 But, but wait a minute, heaven is hot.

01:10:40.060 It will be 450 degrees.

01:10:43.100 That is going to be significantly colder than what the presence of God is going to be like.

01:10:49.220 So here's the thing.

01:10:50.640 What is a torment of hell?

01:10:52.260 It will be, it'll be hot.

01:10:53.440 Why will, why will it be hot?

01:10:54.960 Because there will be spirits there.

01:10:56.600 Energy will be there.

01:10:57.780 Our spirits, not our spirits, but the spirits of people who are there and the spirits of

01:11:00.920 the fallen angels will be there.

01:11:02.460 So that's why I believe that there will be heat there.

01:11:04.800 However, it's going to be colder than heaven.

01:11:08.300 So what's the torment of hell?

01:11:10.120 The torment of hell is spending eternity knowing that you are less than what you were meant to

01:11:15.920 be.

01:11:16.160 You were meant to be in the all consuming fiery energy presence of God in hell.

01:11:22.460 You were going to be separated from that for eternity.

01:11:24.740 You're going to be outside of that.

01:11:26.560 And you're going to know that I could have been where I was meant to be in that presence

01:11:31.980 of God basking in that light.

01:11:34.940 But instead, I'm in this dark, colder place that I was never meant to be.

01:11:40.240 It's like, I believe that regret that you're going to have for eternity is true torment.

01:11:46.440 And it's just because again, it was your choice.

01:11:49.680 You chose not to be in that presence.

01:11:50.980 And now you see what it is.

01:11:52.340 And I believe that when you're in hell, yeah, I know this is going to be dark, but I think

01:11:56.080 you're going to either be able to sense somehow that there is a heaven over there somewhere

01:12:00.620 that I could have been a part of.

01:12:02.040 And I chose not to.

01:12:04.940 And because I chose not to, I'm going to spend eternity being less than that.

01:12:09.120 It's like the day and the night.

01:12:11.320 I mean, you know, some people would take this and invert it and be like, well, the sun is

01:12:15.320 just an allegory for God.

01:12:17.540 But it's like, no, I think it just mirrors itself.

01:12:20.480 It's the same story being told.

01:12:21.660 We were out under the moon a couple months ago and it was like daylight outside, but

01:12:27.720 it's putrid daylight.

01:12:29.420 It's like a cold light, you know?

01:12:31.860 So there's something there.

01:12:33.040 There's an energy source, but it's disgusting.

01:12:34.640 I'd much prefer the warm sun on my face, that kind of feeling.

01:12:39.080 And then this is something that is not going to, we're not going to be able to do anything

01:12:44.060 with this.

01:12:44.400 So it's just something that I'm going to throw out there.

01:12:46.000 But Tila tequila.

01:12:48.400 Just to transition, Tila tequila.

01:12:52.500 It's like, take this guy off the show.

01:12:53.500 Hold on a second.

01:12:54.160 Get out of here.

01:12:57.740 So hear me out, guys.

01:12:59.540 Hear me out.

01:13:00.380 Tila tequila had like a mental breakdown, basically got to the point where she's saying more or

01:13:07.040 less the Illuminati are hunting me down.

01:13:09.460 She becomes a full-blown conspiracy theorist.

01:13:13.860 Shout out to Horseshoes and Hanger Nates. 1.00

01:13:14.840 And she goes from being this like pop culture, you know, icon in my space to all of a sudden

01:13:22.640 this really fringe, unhinged conspiracy theorist.

01:13:26.420 And one of the things she said is that she met Jesus Christ and that he was a dragon.

01:13:35.320 Now, I would say you have no idea what you met.

01:13:38.960 But I'm also not discounting Tila tequila's experience.

01:13:43.440 I think she probably did see something.

01:13:45.640 I've gotten to this point where I'm I don't think I'm throwing people away when they say

01:13:49.060 they saw something strange.

01:13:50.440 Go ahead.

01:13:51.720 The basically what I'm getting at is the crossover between dragons, the serpentine fire breathing

01:13:58.700 entities and these entities that we're describing, whether they're made of plasma, whether they're

01:14:04.360 made of fire.

01:14:05.060 There is a tremendous overlap there.

01:14:07.500 There's something that she is having an experience with.

01:14:12.300 And she, I think, lacks the ability to describe what she's experiencing.

01:14:16.600 I also think she's being deceived on some level by these things.

01:14:20.400 But I just this conversation makes me look at that and go, well, that is a valid piece

01:14:24.940 of some puzzle.

01:14:26.120 Some, you know, I don't think that she's lying.

01:14:29.620 In other words, there's a class of angels called the Seraphim.

01:14:32.980 The Seraphim are reptilian. 1.00

01:14:35.420 Seraph means it means a snake.

01:14:38.340 I believe these are I don't know if I talked.

01:14:40.360 I think I did talk about this when we talked about the throne room of God and you had the

01:14:42.900 cherubim there and there were they they seem to represent different parts of creation.

01:14:46.580 You had one that looked like a man, one with the like a lion, one like an ox and one like

01:14:51.120 a bird, like a bird.

01:14:52.480 And they seem to represent the classes of of creation.

01:14:56.220 Men, carnivores, herbivores and avians.

01:14:58.660 Of course, there's one missing that would be cold blooded, scaly creatures, fish and

01:15:03.040 reptiles.

01:15:03.980 But we also know that there's a cherub missing, Satan.

01:15:07.060 He was a fallen cherub.

01:15:08.380 We see that in Ezekiel chapter 28.

01:15:10.320 He said he was the anointed cherub that covers.

01:15:13.320 So it would make sense that if there's one missing that has characteristics of reptilian

01:15:18.840 and and and then Satan is called a dragon, then it's possible that, you know, Satan,

01:15:25.120 the nakash, the serpent, the so-called serpent in the Garden of Eden was that that cherub,

01:15:31.340 that cherubim and that and that those were in his kind, his species of cherubim were the

01:15:36.640 seraphim.

01:15:37.540 And some of them, some of them fell and some of them didn't.

01:15:40.120 We know there were some there's some good seraphim because they're in heaven.

01:15:43.260 And the prophet Isaiah saw them in that vision.

01:15:46.320 They were they had six wings and they flew and they were fiery.

01:15:50.620 What you call a fiery winged reptile.

01:15:53.700 It's a dragon.

01:15:55.100 Yeah.

01:15:55.680 Right.

01:15:56.180 That's what I think there is some significance to it.

01:15:59.260 And I don't know if the one I don't know if the one she saw was a good seraphim or a

01:16:02.260 bad seraphim.

01:16:02.920 I'm guessing probably a bad one. 1.00

01:16:04.380 I think she had sex with her. 1.00

01:16:06.240 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:06.420 So it's a bad one.

01:16:07.260 That would be a bad one.

01:16:08.760 It's a bad one.

01:16:09.460 So it's lying to her.

01:16:10.300 And bad taste in women. 1.00

01:16:12.620 But yeah.

01:16:12.880 Right.

01:16:13.260 Right.

01:16:14.360 So, I mean, I think there's something there.

01:16:15.760 But but I do think that dragons and the role that they play in this, there's there seem

01:16:19.460 to be an archetype in dreams as well.

01:16:21.400 Like I've had two dreams about the same dragon.

01:16:25.000 And then I found out that, like, it's a very common thing to dream about dragons, which

01:16:28.720 is fascinating that that it's a thing that we think is mythological, but takes form symbolically,

01:16:34.120 it seems, in dreams.

01:16:35.620 And and it's something that comes up over and over again.

01:16:38.160 It's it's integral to the human experience.

01:16:39.840 As far as our lore, our mythology goes, I think there's a lot.

01:16:43.260 To it that we're just misinterpreting.

01:16:46.100 Yeah.

01:16:46.540 So to wrap up, I think that heaven is is is hotter than hell.

01:16:52.120 And again, I could I could be wrong on this.

01:16:54.680 I'm totally this is totally my speculation.

01:16:57.000 So, you know, if you don't don't buy it, let marinate on it, see how how how it worked with

01:17:02.800 you. 1.00

01:17:03.200 But it's not just something that I pulled out of my ass. 1.00

01:17:05.520 There are some other sources. 0.99

01:17:08.000 Granted, it's a fictional source.

01:17:09.600 You know, the divine comedy Dante's Inferno, where Dante goes to all the levels of hell

01:17:14.120 and the lowest level of hell, the worst level is actually frozen.

01:17:18.480 It's the it's the realm where people who are traitors go.

01:17:21.460 You know, Judas is there and so forth.

01:17:22.860 The lowest level of hell is ice cold.

01:17:25.740 And then you also have another book that's, you know, it's a fiction book, but it's by

01:17:31.700 C.S.

01:17:32.060 Lewis called The Great Divorce.

01:17:34.720 And in The Great Divorce, it's but it's basically a dream.

01:17:39.600 I think I think it was a the the fictionalization of a dream that C.S.

01:17:43.560 Lewis had about heaven and hell.

01:17:45.200 And in that in the dream, you have people who were in hell, which was tiny.

01:17:49.980 Basically, they hell was like the size of a of an atom.

01:17:53.960 And you have to be in people from hell.

01:17:56.260 What could who could temporarily travel to heaven to talk to their loved ones?

01:18:00.420 Again, it's fictional.

01:18:01.220 And they would have to be enlarged to come and talk to them.

01:18:04.100 And then they then if they didn't, they could choose to stay there or they would have to go

01:18:06.820 back to hell.

01:18:07.460 But hell was was depicted as cold, dark, rainy.

01:18:13.660 So I don't know if they have some kind of insight, but it's not without precedent.

01:18:17.960 Well, that sounds to me because when we're talking about heat, I'm like, I like heat.

01:18:21.220 Obviously, I don't like getting burned.

01:18:22.520 But, you know, it wasn't until you mentioned that that I'm like, that sounds miserable.

01:18:26.820 I cannot stand the cold and the dark.

01:18:29.160 You ever had frostbite in like in comparison to a burn?

01:18:32.680 It's like very similar.

01:18:33.980 Very similar.

01:18:34.640 Yes.

01:18:34.900 I took a can of duster when I was a kid and I turned it upside down.

01:18:40.320 It's it's you know, it shoots out some sort of like something equivalent to like Freon

01:18:44.140 or something.

01:18:44.800 And and it turned my skin black.

01:18:46.700 I sprayed it all over my arm and killed all the skin on my arm.

01:18:49.700 Turned black. 0.74

01:18:50.520 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:18:51.800 But it felt like a burn.

01:18:54.280 So yeah.

01:18:55.060 And the other thing is that in the book of Isaiah, I forgot to bring the chapter chapter

01:18:59.100 and verse up.

01:18:59.580 It's it basically describes heaven as being the same temperature as this as this reflection

01:19:05.600 off the moon, which I know sounds it doesn't make any if you're not thinking about it.

01:19:09.620 OK, just you just go past that.

01:19:10.820 But science have looked at that and and they've determined that the temperature would be well

01:19:14.960 over a thousand degrees.

01:19:16.040 Which, again, would be hotter than sulfur, which is one hundred fifty degrees.

01:19:21.880 So, yeah.

01:19:23.260 And go ahead.

01:19:24.280 And if you're interested in this, Google heaven hotter than hell.

01:19:27.200 You will find several documents that will mention this that and the verse in Isaiah.

01:19:32.120 I think it'll be hotter than a thousand degrees.

01:19:34.280 But that's, again, a another example of how heaven is depicted as hot, even in the Bible.

01:19:41.080 Right.

01:19:41.560 But it's also a thing of like with with this skin, with your body right now, you're not

01:19:46.720 meant to handle that kind of heat.

01:19:48.400 Right.

01:19:48.860 With with your corporeal form.

01:19:51.120 I feel like that would it would resonate with you.

01:19:54.100 You'd want that.

01:19:55.020 You'd want the light bouncing because you'd be able to like reflect that off yourself or

01:19:59.360 however that that works.

01:20:00.760 Well, keep in mind that we won't there won't be physical bodies in hell.

01:20:04.540 They'll be spirit.

01:20:05.320 So so that's where people who have the annihilation theory said, well, you know, a human body couldn't

01:20:10.140 stand that heat four hundred fifty degrees when we burn up in a few minutes.

01:20:13.180 But it's going to be all spirit.

01:20:16.720 So your physical body, you can't really use that as a determination of not only of how the

01:20:23.540 heat will how we will react to the heat, but also what how we'll experience it.

01:20:29.340 Maybe the pain will be different.

01:20:30.460 Remember, I compared to the searing pain that I have when I physically touched my pizza

01:20:34.160 oven, but I have a physical hand.

01:20:36.740 I don't know how a spirit will experience that kind of heat.

01:20:41.040 So if I'm wrong, which I could very well be and hell is just hot torment and the torment

01:20:46.780 is the heat being hotter than you can stand.

01:20:49.300 Well, then maybe you're maybe in our in the spirit realm, maybe a spirit can has a different

01:20:55.080 capacity for experiencing the heat of hell.

01:20:59.780 That would be the counter argument to my hell being cold, colder than heaven theory.

01:21:05.440 I think I mean, I've often seen hell depicted as like, you know, they'll depict it as as

01:21:11.140 hot or whatever.

01:21:11.740 But one of the things you always hear is like like just moaning of of everybody that's there.

01:21:17.720 It's just but it's not like screaming out in pain.

01:21:20.220 It's just like I messed up.

01:21:22.060 Like it's like a long moan, like for eternity of I knew what I could have had.

01:21:27.060 And I feel like that's the real that's the real suffering, the physical things that we

01:21:31.540 try to, you know, make examples of.

01:21:34.240 I don't know that they matter because I don't think we really understand what it is to be

01:21:37.900 in that form.

01:21:38.620 You don't.

01:21:38.920 Well, because one thing I didn't say in one of the myths is that hell is, hell is not

01:21:43.400 current hell, the lake of fire is not currently occupied.

01:21:45.960 There's no one there yet.

01:21:47.860 Hades, we talked about before, Hades is occupied, but no one is in hell.

01:21:51.500 No one is currently in Gehenna.

01:21:52.640 The first people, the first entities that will be cast there will be the Antichrist and the

01:21:56.860 false prophet.

01:21:57.500 We see that at the end of Revelation chapter 19.

01:22:00.060 And then at the end of the millennial reign, then it says that, you know, the Satan is cast

01:22:05.180 into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet are, they're still there 0.99

01:22:10.580 a thousand years later, which again, argues against the whole annihilation theory.

01:22:16.080 So I wouldn't say that he, Satan was tossed into the lake of fire where the beast and the

01:22:19.840 false prophet were, says where they are.

01:22:21.680 There's, they're still there after a thousand years.

01:22:23.520 So we know it lasts at least that long.

01:22:25.400 Even that brings up a lot of questions to this idea of Satan being casted into the lake

01:22:29.860 of fire.

01:22:30.260 I've become pretty comfortable with the idea of Satan being this, this title for the accuser.

01:22:34.280 I wonder which entity, if it is the way I'm thinking, which entity that's occupying that

01:22:40.240 title.

01:22:40.860 It is, it's the original, it's just the, the serpent, because in, in, in reason I, we can,

01:22:46.640 we can know that is because in, um, Revelation chapter 12, which is that vision that, um, that

01:22:52.240 John is given of the woman clothing, the sun with the, uh, with the moon under her feet,

01:22:55.620 stars around her head, and she's giving birth and, and she's about to be devout in the, in the,

01:22:59.760 and the dragon is there to devour the baby.

01:23:01.880 And it says, this is the dragon, the serpent of old, who we call the devil and Satan.

01:23:07.000 So it's that one.

01:23:08.060 Um, the apostle John is clearly saying is the, the service is the Nakash of old. 0.79

01:23:12.960 This is the ancient one.

01:23:14.720 So this is the, this is the entity that tempted even Adam in the garden of Eden. 1.00

01:23:19.960 This is the biggest asshole. 1.00

01:23:21.440 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:21.780 Yeah. 1.00

01:23:22.000 This is the asshole in chief. 1.00

01:23:23.520 So here's a question for you. 1.00

01:23:25.440 Um, is he going to be given back that title and then will him in that title be gone?

01:23:33.620 Like, will there be a need for an accuser?

01:23:36.320 I don't believe that because we'll talk about this.

01:23:39.260 Thank you for that question.

01:23:40.200 That's actually, actually, I'll make it a part of, of our next episode because the question

01:23:43.740 will be, um, you know, what are we going to be like in hell?

01:23:46.280 Are we going to have, excuse me, what are we going to be like in the new Jerusalem? 0.91

01:23:48.580 Are we going to be perfect?

01:23:50.060 Will we never make a mistake?

01:23:52.120 I think this is controversial because I think we, we will make mistakes.

01:23:55.940 We won't sin.

01:23:57.080 We will make mistakes, but we will be able to repair from those mistakes because they

01:24:02.500 won't be intentional.

01:24:04.240 Um, we've talked before about, I think Raven, you brought up the idea of why can't the Nephilim

01:24:09.580 ever be saved?

01:24:10.480 Why can't the fallen angels ever repent?

01:24:12.800 And, and when there's two reasons, number one, Jesus didn't die for them.

01:24:15.980 And number two, when they sinned, they did it with full knowledge of all the implications.

01:24:21.660 They occupy a higher dimension than us.

01:24:24.180 You know, physicists right now say that the universe occupies up to 10, 11 dimensions.

01:24:29.360 We only experience four, you know, a length, height, depth, and time.

01:24:35.340 So these entities were probably experiencing greater levels of dimensionality than, than we

01:24:41.300 do.

01:24:41.880 I mean, think about, uh, sorry about that.

01:24:43.980 Um, imagine the difference between our, our three-dimensional world that we experience

01:24:50.840 and a two-dimensional world.

01:24:52.760 Like, you know, I'm older than you guys.

01:24:54.280 When I, when, when I was playing video games as a kid, they were, they were kind of two

01:24:57.680 dimensional.

01:24:58.220 You know, I had, I would play, I was playing space invaders and donkey Kong and Pac-Man

01:25:02.140 and those kinds of games.

01:25:03.380 Um, when I was, you know, um, when I was first playing video, you know, then, then they

01:25:07.240 graduated up to Nintendo and it compared that to like, I don't know, call of duty or the

01:25:12.880 stark difference between the two, what you're able to experience, how much more immersive

01:25:16.220 that world is.

01:25:16.900 So just going up one dimension from two dimensions to three dimensions, it's, it's unfathomable

01:25:22.800 how much more you're able to observe and perceive.

01:25:25.020 So if you, if you're an angelic being and you're maybe occupying seven, eight, nine,

01:25:29.320 10 dimensions, you see everything.

01:25:33.440 That's why when the, when the fallen angels saw the women of, of, of earth, they said,

01:25:38.540 you know, they saw that the women were the word it's used in the Bible as fair or beautiful.

01:25:43.700 That's a misinterpreted mistranslation.

01:25:45.640 It basically meant it said that they saw that they were fit extensions that they saw these

01:25:49.880 women and say, you know what? 1.00

01:25:50.520 We can have kids with them.

01:25:51.520 They were able just to perceive that based on their dimensionality, that they would be

01:25:55.140 able to impregnate them and have these, these Nephilim children. 0.99

01:25:58.080 My point is that when they did this, they did it with full knowledge in the book of Enoch,

01:26:02.280 where it names some of these angels of bell, they went into it saying, God's not going to

01:26:07.880 like this.

01:26:08.780 And so that's why they made this pact with each other.

01:26:12.020 Simeaja, who was their leader said, I don't want to do this by myself.

01:26:14.960 Are you guys going to be with me?

01:26:16.020 If so, you got to take an oath that you're going to suffer the penalty for this with me.

01:26:19.800 And they took the oath and they did.

01:26:21.520 So they knew what they were doing.

01:26:23.200 So you cannot repent if you know, if you are completely aware that of all the consequences

01:26:29.720 of what you were doing.

01:26:31.240 That's interesting because we look at it sometimes in a reductive way where it's like, they were

01:26:35.080 just looking at these women and they were like, you know, they're hot. 1.00

01:26:37.940 I'm trying to kill. 0.99

01:26:38.980 Yeah. 0.52

01:26:40.080 And instead, this actually opens up something much different.

01:26:45.200 When you talk about the punishment that they talk about in the book of Enoch, where they're

01:26:49.280 going to be forced to watch their children kill one another and destroy one another.

01:26:53.080 If their actual desire was children of their own creation of their own, a lineage of their

01:27:00.620 own, then that that punishment is actually a lot more impactful because it takes it from

01:27:06.900 this narrative where it's just like they were just in it for the debauchery of it in it to

01:27:11.180 have sex with women and to rule over men and to, you know, to receive that worship. 0.69

01:27:15.680 But if it really was for the creation aspect to be parents, you know, to have offspring and 0.96

01:27:23.300 then to watch those offspring tear each other apart.

01:27:25.620 Also, it kind of speaks to, in some ways, what a gift that is, that these retards are willing 1.00

01:27:32.880 to see as much as they see and still risk that.

01:27:38.080 Yeah.

01:27:40.180 Oh, she's talking a sec.

01:27:42.100 What they were doing, basically, they wanted what God had.

01:27:45.520 God created human beings, part physical, part spiritual.

01:27:49.500 They're like, we want that too.

01:27:50.720 We can't create like Jehovah, like Yahweh can create, but with these women here, we can 1.00

01:27:57.400 impregnate them and we can have our own offspring and they can, they could drive, they can, you 0.94

01:28:01.700 know, destroy God's offspring and we can have dominion over the earth again. 0.96

01:28:05.600 I think they had dominion over the earth in the pre-creation period in Genesis chapter

01:28:09.800 one, one, which I'm, I'm going to spend, I'm spending a couple of episodes on in my Genesis

01:28:13.680 series.

01:28:14.420 I'm going to talk about angels, a couple in episode four and what, but I believe that they

01:28:19.920 ruled over the physical creation at first, then they, there was rebellion there.

01:28:25.140 They were taken out and then God said, okay, I need to create man, something a little lower 0.64

01:28:30.020 than these angels, because when they screw up, I want them to be able to repent and come

01:28:35.260 back to me.

01:28:36.280 These angels can't, they know, they know too much.

01:28:39.420 They can't repent.

01:28:40.340 They're not perfect.

01:28:41.420 So I need to make something that is less perfect so that if they, so when they make mistakes,

01:28:46.440 they at least have, you know, I'm going to say plausible deniability, but they can say,

01:28:49.280 hey, you know, we didn't know.

01:28:50.920 We can, they can repent and say, okay, sorry about that.

01:28:53.240 I'm going to do right next time.

01:28:54.940 Wow.

01:28:55.660 That's why like the idea of backsliding in the church is a, it's like a heavy crime or

01:29:00.880 even a blaspheming.

01:29:02.580 But I think we discussed what blasphemy is, but there, there's a, there's a level of understanding

01:29:07.480 when you blaspheme God. 0.99

01:29:09.220 Cause you're, it's not saying like, God damn it. 0.96

01:29:11.360 Like that's not necessarily it. 0.97

01:29:13.340 It's when you're talking, you know, intimately what he is and you go out of your way to deny

01:29:18.540 him or trick other people and what he is.

01:29:21.900 And then Billy Carson knowing Billy Carson, this guy knows, and he is intentional.

01:29:26.960 I mean, we talk, we were talking before the show about this three hour rant he went on

01:29:31.060 after he got destroyed by that guy West in the interview.

01:29:33.820 And one of the things he said implicitly is that he wants to just, he'd say he wants to

01:29:39.020 destroy Christianity. 0.99

01:29:40.100 Crazy. 1.00

01:29:40.760 He deliberately said that he thinks Christians are stupid. 1.00

01:29:43.380 The Bible is, is, is dumb. 1.00

01:29:44.880 It's bad. 1.00

01:29:45.360 And he wants, he wants to, that is his intent.

01:29:48.000 Even us though, Ed, right.

01:29:49.100 It's like, you look at it and you go, we are willing to accept that Billy Carson was wrong.

01:29:54.340 If Billy were to say like, I have made a mistake.

01:29:56.960 Yeah.

01:29:57.460 I, I misinterpreted this thing.

01:29:59.260 I thought that I was on the correct path.

01:30:00.800 It seems that I've actually been, you know, horribly far from the mark.

01:30:04.920 Right.

01:30:05.540 The, the narrative changes entirely in, in, in our own opinions, just human beings, where

01:30:11.220 we look at that and go, if you're doing it maliciously, if you are knowingly deceiving

01:30:15.400 people, that is where the actual trespassing, that is, is nearly unforgivable.

01:30:21.380 You know, if he had come out, like you said, and say, you know what, this guy West, he's

01:30:24.960 a, he's a scholar.

01:30:26.340 And what she did.

01:30:27.100 And if you watch the, uh, some clips of the, of the, of the video of the debate.

01:30:31.000 Oh, he's since deleted that rant video.

01:30:32.780 I don't blame him.

01:30:33.520 He's freaking out.

01:30:34.500 He's spiraling.

01:30:35.320 Oh yeah.

01:30:35.580 He's, he's, he's broken.

01:30:37.300 He came out and he, he acquiesced to West a couple of times.

01:30:39.760 Okay.

01:30:39.980 Well, if you say it's a fraud, I'll, I'll, you know, I'll, I'll go with that.

01:30:42.620 And I thought, okay, well maybe he's coming around, but if he had come out and say, you

01:30:46.540 know what?

01:30:46.820 Um, this guy schooled me.

01:30:48.720 Um, I see that, you know, one of the books I was using was a forgery, um, you know, my

01:30:53.740 bad guys, but he can't because he wants to hold on to his power and his wealth.

01:30:58.200 Yeah.

01:30:58.820 And he's chosen that over God.

01:31:00.520 And so he, he's doubled down. 0.94

01:31:01.960 He dude is mentally, he's mentally damaged at this point. 0.84

01:31:05.040 I mean, there's something about him. 0.79

01:31:08.200 Like when he, when he answered our question on Luke's show, it's like, you could tell

01:31:12.480 like, he really, like his eyes glimmer a little bit.

01:31:14.900 He's like, Oh, they're talking about Jesus Christ.

01:31:16.460 I'm going to deny it.

01:31:17.860 I'm, it's like, it's like a drug to him, like to deny Jesus Christ.

01:31:21.920 Whereas like, you know, if you do it's for me, I'm like, I think you're wrong.

01:31:25.620 Neither here nor there for me.

01:31:26.480 And I'm not going to go out of my way and like get high on denying other religions.

01:31:29.600 I just don't think that they're right.

01:31:31.220 But this guy, it's a, there's another level of it.

01:31:33.780 He likes that.

01:31:34.500 And what's even more messed up about it is if he did do that, if he was like, Hey guys,

01:31:40.540 I've built a career off this thing.

01:31:42.320 I've had this pivotal moment.

01:31:44.200 I need to pull back, do some research.

01:31:46.820 I'll come back.

01:31:47.600 And if he came back and he was like, this is what I found out.

01:31:50.240 And I think there's a lot of validity to Christianity.

01:31:51.840 And I've been mistaken.

01:31:53.320 Christians would welcome him in.

01:31:56.500 Wow.

01:31:56.940 How great is it to have you, you know, have this experience and don't worry, come on over

01:32:00.960 what the other people would do outside.

01:32:02.820 They would call him a grifter.

01:32:04.600 They would call him, Oh, you, so, so the Anunnaki didn't work for you. 0.98

01:32:08.360 And now that you can't make money that way, now you're going to make money off of Jesus

01:32:11.080 Christ.

01:32:11.660 And, and people like me, I would go, let's, let's let him cook.

01:32:15.300 Let's see what he does.

01:32:16.200 Right.

01:32:16.640 You know? 0.68

01:32:16.940 And, and so it's just, uh, it's ridiculous because it is right there.

01:32:21.720 All you have to do is just go, Hey man, I think that I've been looking at this thing

01:32:25.260 the wrong way, which like, Hey, we're all trying to figure it out.

01:32:28.460 Um, and, and there's been so much obfuscation, so much purposely hidden history and information

01:32:33.320 from us who can blame people when they're wrong.

01:32:36.280 Uh, you know, he would be welcomed.

01:32:38.620 I just don't think he, he has not demonstrated.

01:32:41.180 I can't, I'm not, I can't judge him.

01:32:42.500 I don't know, maybe, maybe one day he'll turn it around.

01:32:44.520 I, it's tough to see, but he doesn't, he does not seem to currently possess the level

01:32:48.560 of humility that it would require to, to do that.

01:32:52.400 I don't, I don't know what else would have to happen to him for him to be, to, to be

01:32:55.880 humbled because he, again, he, he, he speaks in that authoritative tone and he's, I'm the,

01:33:01.580 I'm the foremost expert and all the blah, blah, blah, and ancient civilizations and histories

01:33:05.160 and tablets and whatnot.

01:33:06.200 And yeah, but the tablets you talk about doesn't exist, dude, this tablet, they don't exist.

01:33:13.400 At this point with somebody like that, we, we know what has to happen to him.

01:33:16.900 It's if, if you're actually going to turn this around, he's got, he's the type that's

01:33:21.740 got to be stripped.

01:33:22.560 If I'm, if I'm the type that's got to be stripped, you got, you know, God has to strip 1.00

01:33:26.200 you naked and give you a spank on the butt and be like stupid. 1.00

01:33:29.260 That's what you needed. 1.00

01:33:31.800 From my perspective, I would look at him like if he went through that process.

01:33:36.200 I would go, that's crazy, man.

01:33:38.000 So like, let's talk about it.

01:33:39.620 Like, come on the show, treat you like a regular human being.

01:33:41.980 Like you've got a body of information that is fascinating.

01:33:45.140 I would love to know the ways in which you were wrong, what you still think might have

01:33:48.940 some validity, like all these different things.

01:33:50.720 Like, let's have a conversation.

01:33:51.800 I'd be so into that. 0.99

01:33:52.880 I don't, it's job, it's God's job to strip you and spank you. 1.00

01:33:56.160 It's my job. 0.98

01:33:56.820 Oh yeah.

01:33:57.080 I'm not going to do it.

01:33:58.120 I'm not going to do it.

01:33:58.860 I just want to, you know, if you want to talk, I want to talk to you.

01:34:01.280 That's it.

01:34:01.560 It looks like he's, you're well on your way though, sir.

01:34:03.740 You're, and it's by your own, by your own doing.

01:34:06.880 So I'll, I'll just watch, I guess.

01:34:08.680 Right.

01:34:08.960 Yeah.

01:34:09.200 That's it.

01:34:11.540 All right.

01:34:12.140 But yeah, that's, that's, that's all we got for hell.

01:34:15.220 All right.

01:34:15.980 Awesome.

01:34:16.620 So let's get into a little bit, where are we going next week?

01:34:20.400 So next week, now that all the bad stuff's out of the way and we are going to start talking

01:34:25.080 about heaven and the new Jerusalem.

01:34:27.460 And I probably do two episodes on it.

01:34:29.440 I think I want to talk in the first episode, just like I did with this and some mythology

01:34:33.200 around it.

01:34:34.360 What are the myths?

01:34:35.220 Cause you know, there's myths about heaven and the new Jerusalem, just as much as there

01:34:39.020 are myths around hell.

01:34:40.460 So I want to talk about those and then talk about what it is.

01:34:43.080 And we'll read some scriptures because, you know, the last two chapters of revelation really

01:34:47.120 deal with this.

01:34:47.700 And so I went to, and there's some very vivid descriptions of, of what the new Jerusalem

01:34:52.100 is going to be like.

01:34:53.360 And, you know, we'll talk through some of those.

01:34:55.540 Okay.

01:34:56.280 And then, and then in the last one, we're really going to focus on our purpose.

01:35:01.040 What is, what is eternity going to be like?

01:35:02.840 Because hopefully if you're there, you want to know, because it's, it's interesting.

01:35:06.740 I don't know who said this.

01:35:08.240 Maybe it may have been CS Lewis.

01:35:09.520 He said, we have this idea.

01:35:10.740 I'm paraphrasing him.

01:35:11.580 We have this idea of a hell we can justify, but a hell, a heaven that we can't, or that we

01:35:16.480 don't.

01:35:17.280 In other words, we seem to understand hell way more than we seem to understand heaven.

01:35:23.100 It's true.

01:35:23.560 Because we, we all know that we're not perfect.

01:35:25.900 We all know that justice exists.

01:35:27.760 And we all know that evil has to be judged.

01:35:30.640 We can wrap our minds around that.

01:35:32.520 What we have, what we have more trouble wrapping our minds around is, okay, well, if, if I'm

01:35:36.340 on the good side, what am I going to be doing for eternity?

01:35:40.920 So, yeah.

01:35:42.380 Yeah.

01:35:43.080 So that's the plan.

01:35:44.160 Looking forward to, to that.

01:35:45.380 Uh, I guess next week's, that'll be 22, episode 22.

01:35:49.160 Um, well, thank you, Ed, for your time.

01:35:52.180 I think this was a great conversation.

01:35:53.960 Uh, one more time for the people, let them know where they can find your work.

01:35:57.780 Yeah.

01:35:58.480 Faithbyreason.net is the place to go.

01:36:00.900 Uh, again, the first two episodes of the Genesis series is up.

01:36:03.560 The third should be up probably by early next week, if not this weekend.

01:36:09.040 And, um, yeah, you can go to my YouTube channel, my Rumble channel.

01:36:13.100 The YouTube channel has the, has the, uh, Genesis series.

01:36:15.560 I'm still catching up on the Revelation series on, on my Rumble channel.

01:36:18.120 So I'm just putting those up every week and yeah, put up, I'm going to keep going on X

01:36:23.340 and putting a few things up there.

01:36:24.660 And yeah, well, that is how we do it.

01:36:26.640 I just don't see how somebody could scroll across that thumbnail and not click it.

01:36:32.460 What is going on in this thumbnail?

01:36:34.700 Guys, like we said at the beginning of the show, if you find all this fascinating, if the

01:36:39.060 book of Revelation series that we're doing is a good tool for you and you're looking

01:36:42.440 for a deeper dive, then faithbyreason.net is exactly where you want to be because we

01:36:46.940 jump into it so much, you know, an hour and a half per episode, but the body of research

01:36:51.960 that's presented here on faithbyreason.net is a lot more, uh, expansive than what we can

01:36:58.540 manage to get into in an hour and a half slot.

01:37:00.800 So if you're into it, that's where you want to be.

01:37:03.440 And if you want to, you want to help, help me out, then please like subscribe and share

01:37:07.780 on every video because that, that just keeps, you know, that grows the audience and, you

01:37:13.180 know, it keeps, it keeps me in the algorithms for people who are, who I want to see this.

01:37:16.920 And I think who need to subscribe to his audio as well.

01:37:20.820 I think that's going to be a really important tool for you.

01:37:23.260 Um, moving forward, you, it's the same thing, faith by reason on all the podcasters.

01:37:27.440 That's where I listened to the book of revelation.

01:37:29.700 It was easy because I don't like to sit in front of a screen.

01:37:32.460 So I did it as I was doing stuff.

01:37:34.680 Maybe my kids are running around.

01:37:35.860 I got one ear in.

01:37:36.660 I'm listening to Ed talk about the book of revelation and I'm going, but, uh, yeah,

01:37:40.460 give him some views there.

01:37:41.460 Subscribe to him there as well.

01:37:43.200 And that could be, uh, another key to success to open up this door.

01:37:47.260 It just reminded me, I need, I need to strip the audio out of those first two episodes

01:37:50.120 and make them podcasts.

01:37:51.540 Cause I haven't done that.

01:37:52.300 Cause I'm using a different, I'm doing different, using different software.

01:37:55.340 Um, cause I used to record my audio separately and then throw the video clips.

01:37:59.200 But now that I'm like, you know, doing both video and audio at the same time, um, I have, I, I gotta,

01:38:04.420 I gotta strip the audio out and make that a separate podcast.

01:38:07.380 Okay.

01:38:07.760 All right.

01:38:08.920 Uh, is that what it, is that it, is that all we got?

01:38:11.460 That's all we got for today.

01:38:12.440 We're going to be back at a 3 PM Eastern standard time with Brian and we're going to debunk Christmas.

01:38:19.180 Now we're going to talk about Christmas and I'm not sure what angle he's going to come

01:38:22.620 at it about, but, uh, it's going to be a, you know, live for 30 minutes and the patron

01:38:27.020 results.

01:38:27.400 Oh, that's right.

01:38:28.160 Poll results.

01:38:29.020 Let's check this before we go ahead.

01:38:30.660 Oh yeah.

01:38:31.060 Let's see.

01:38:31.600 Never done this before.

01:38:32.260 Let's see. 0.99

01:38:32.520 Are you, we, are you going to hell? 0.98

01:38:34.140 93% said no. 0.99

01:38:36.240 Good.

01:38:36.920 I hope so, guys.

01:38:38.700 Not good enough, but I hope you're working on it.

01:38:41.660 Uh, you know, better safe than sorry.

01:38:43.640 Strengthen that relationship.

01:38:44.760 Get right.

01:38:45.200 Some people like the cold.

01:38:48.200 Some people do like the cold.

01:38:50.060 That's right.

01:38:50.860 Until next time, guys, uh, remember, obey, submit, and comply.

01:38:54.340 We'll see you later.

01:38:54.820 The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.

01:39:01.160 It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

01:39:04.560 If you can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, it's a

01:39:10.160 government.

01:39:11.340 Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's

01:39:17.020 happening.

01:39:17.860 And they have.

01:39:18.780 All right.

01:39:19.960 Let's go.

01:39:20.820 Let's go.

01:39:22.580 Let's go.

01:39:23.220 Let's go.

01:39:23.860 Let's go.

01:39:24.300 Let's go.

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Nephilim Death Squad - December 13, 2024

HELL： The Book of Revelation Series Part XXI w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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