In this episode of the Death Squad, David Lee Corbo and Toplopsa are joined by author and UFO expert, Karen Wilkins, to discuss the UFO Phenomenon. They discuss her personal experience with the phenomenon and how it has impacted her life.
00:05:51.020And it's in the book, I have a chapter in there where I just put that document in there to share with people so they can see that this is really there.
00:05:57.720And then you have people in the hallowed halls of Congress saying, yes, we have the bodies, we have the crash craft, you know, we have the witnesses.
00:06:05.240And so when you take all of that, plus the hundreds and thousands of people who have had similar experiences but have never spoken with each other, but they're saying the same things.
00:06:15.380And you put all of that together, it really negates these outlandish theories that this is all just some psychological delusion.
00:06:25.020It's like victim shaming for those of us who've been through it because it's really sad because it's like, you know, unfortunately, they're trying to quiet those of us who are brave enough to speak about it and try to help others.
00:06:39.620And it's, you know, it's really unfortunate.
00:06:41.500So, sorry, that's a long answer to your question, and I think you asked for just what my experience is, and I'll go back to that as well.
00:06:48.820Well, I would like to just say that we had a gentleman on the show who I think is well-meaning.
00:06:54.520You know, so many of us in this kind of area of research don't intend malice.
00:07:00.940We just kind of get things wrong, which is, you know, forgivable.
00:07:03.480And I really enjoyed that episode, but it was something Joe – jeez, man, I forget his name now.
00:07:52.900And so one of the things that Joe said was that, you know, sometimes women will just absorb the fetus, and there will be no traces of it whatsoever, and that this alone is enough for him to dismiss the idea that there are ever any actual physical pregnancies, that this phenomenon is taking place whatsoever.
00:08:17.400This is something that I disagree with, but, you know, like I said, I think he's just wrong.
00:08:22.560You can't really fault people for being wrong, but –
00:08:45.100Former Mufon investigator is what he is.
00:08:47.480And so he had that data that correlated with the name of Jesus Christ stopping abduction experiences.
00:08:51.780So he, I believe, is a guy that would also maintain that this is purely a spiritual – in fact, what he says is a spiritual phenomenon masquerading as a physical one.
00:09:02.820Yeah, I think you have to be really careful when you get into that because what we're dealing with are entities that are different from us.
00:09:13.260They have properties, physical properties.
00:09:15.380They have properties in physics that we don't understand, that we can't yet explain.
00:09:20.700So when you try to fit into this little box of we are human, we are here on Earth, it doesn't fit.
00:09:25.780And so then you provide these explanations that seem logical somewhat, but they really don't work because we're not dealing with human entities.
00:09:32.480We're dealing with something that God created before he created humans.
00:09:35.420We're dealing with what Tim Alberino calls our elder brethren.
00:09:38.600We're dealing with entities that we don't have a lot of information on, but we also know we're not supposed to mess with them.
00:09:44.620So, you know, we know they're stronger.
00:09:47.840We know that there's more to them than there is to us when it comes to abilities.
00:09:51.900And so you have to be really careful to make such absolute statements unless you've actually experienced it or been there or done this.
00:10:01.560So, you know, while some of those statements have some truth, there is also some mistruth or misunderstanding going on.
00:10:09.680And it is very hard for those of us who have experienced it to listen to people who haven't tell us what's going on when we've been there and we've experienced it.
00:10:18.620And I know the difference between something that's physical and spiritual, and it is both.
00:10:24.940And now we're getting into quantum physics.
00:10:26.360And if you look at the Bible and you look at the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit and you look into quantum physics, it helps bring a little bit of that more into focus.
00:10:35.440And if somebody does not understand that, then, of course, they're going to try to explain it in a way that's a little more simplistic.
00:10:43.060And then you come back to those types of explanations, which you were just talking about.
00:10:47.320One of the questions that I always have is like a it's like a definition or a delineation between what we're actually dealing with.
00:10:55.780So you have like fallen angels, Nephilim, Raphaim, and then Gibbereem.
00:11:02.660Like as the time goes on, the bloodline gets diluted and some of these entities are even like a Gibbereem would be a created entity or something like a Nimrod became Gibbereem.
00:11:13.080So he was human and then became something else.
00:11:16.600Did you do you have any inclination of what you've been dealing?
00:11:20.680I guess we should get into your story before we even jump a gun on it.
00:11:23.600But like, do you have any idea what you're even dealing with the classification or do you do you think it does?
00:11:29.720Does it matter at all in what's happening?
00:11:32.660I think that there are going to be a lot of various classifications that we don't have enough data on to fully understand.
00:11:40.540But what we do know is that God created another class of beings, not human.
00:11:45.020And how many different types there are?
00:11:47.240Well, we know biblically there are so many different types that are mentioned in the Bible.
00:11:50.940So when those entities, as in Genesis 6, saw the daughters of Ben and decided that they wanted to procreate and take wives, plural, of as many of them as they chose, you get into creating the hybrid entities.
00:12:05.920And there are going to be different names for that across different cultures.
00:12:10.300And so different names and different types, there are probably more than we could imagine when it comes to that.
00:12:19.360Because we don't know how many types of angelic beings they are.
00:14:25.880I'm just saying there were similar features that, as a little child, when you're two or three years old, you know, you don't know the difference between a bumblebee or a wasp.
00:14:34.000But if you're stung by one, you're probably scared of both.
00:15:22.540I can understand your grandmother's situation a little bit in reference to my own because we didn't have a basis to even talk about it or understand what was happening to us because there was nobody out there to help us understand better.
00:15:39.120There was nobody else out there talking about these things.
00:15:42.420And that made it really difficult to share and tell others what was happening at that point in time.
00:15:48.000And that book, by the way, Karen, is the one that my grandmother, that was what informed her of what was actually happening to her.
00:16:43.240And then when it finally came out on, you know, I think normal TV, not at the movie theater, it was on and I couldn't watch it.
00:16:50.620I mean, it was on and I had a panic attack, something, some scene in the movie that happened to be on the TV.
00:16:56.380We just, those things just bring back this PTSD element of the things that happened.
00:17:03.500And I can see how that would be alarming or shocking for her to read because just the scenes from the movie were too much for me to watch at the time.
00:17:11.500I mean, now I'm in a much better place.
00:17:12.880Obviously, God has brought me through this and to another side of it where I can use it now to help others.
00:17:18.020But for a long, long time, I couldn't look at a movie or a book or a TV show or anything that had UFO or alien in it just for that reason.
00:17:26.560It was just, it was too painful to relieve, to relive any of it.
00:17:31.880And I do believe, as you were saying, starting to say too, it is a very familial thing.
00:17:37.700I think that has a lot to do with the permissions that are given.
00:17:42.360You know, go back to Vicki Joy Anderson when I referenced that because when she and I speak about things together,
00:17:47.400that's where her expertise really comes in as far as covenants and things like that.
00:17:51.360And when you have a family line that has the genetics that they are able to utilize for things like breeding programs,
00:17:58.300they're going to keep going with that family line.
00:18:01.100You know, and especially, you know, when that mother, I was talking to you guys earlier about something I'm writing this month about fetal maternal microchimerism,
00:18:09.200which is a long word for a simple process where when a woman is pregnant,
00:18:12.640the fetus transfers some DNA to the mother that stays with the mother permanently,
00:19:34.880And like I said, I'll, I will provide, I'll send you guys a copy of the article when I finished it.
00:19:40.980And anyone who's interested in that can find it in L.A. Merzulli's monthly newsletter.
00:19:46.460And that'll be part of my next book as well.
00:19:48.620I'm really going to focus down onto the DNA part of things because I think it's so important for people to understand that there is so much more proof coming out.
00:19:59.580You know, when these things come out, they're largely ignored as unimportant or, you know, pushed aside because, well, for obvious reasons.
00:20:12.320Obviously, there's still such a stigma about this and removing that stigma seems to be impossible at this point.
00:20:19.940Well, I mean, the stigma surrounding that aspect of the phenomenon is, I would agree with you, seemingly difficult to remove or difficult to, you know, get through for some people psychologically.
00:20:34.880But we are being introduced to this concept of extraterrestrials in a way that seems to be palatable for the average person.
00:20:47.840And it seems to have been made palatable by apparatus like Hollywood and NASA and things like that for a really long time.
00:20:54.840And obviously, it's not cohesive with what you and Vicky and L.A. are working on as far as your research goes.
00:21:07.040And so in that way, the deviation between what your ideas are and what the mainstream public is going to get soon or is getting in a very slow drip is specifically about the nature of the event.
00:21:22.180And by that, I mean, we're getting fed this idea that they are benign space brethren who have advanced technology and who maybe even have a vested interest in our maintenance of the planet, not destroying it via nuclear war or not polluting it to the point of not being able to bring it back.
00:21:44.980And there is a lot of things at play here.
00:21:50.380So it's not only this sort of Pentagon release thing, but it's also aspects like the Galactic Federation of Light, which I imagine you're probably familiar with, you know, given your field of research.
00:21:59.740And the Galactic Federation of Light very much paints these entities as saviors, saviors of mankind waiting for humanity to reach an apex in their spiritual evolution so that they may be rescued from whatever satanic forces seek to keep us or reach the next level of whatever spiritual advancement or something like that.
00:22:24.660Yeah. And so this this goes everywhere. This is the Pleiadians, et cetera, et cetera.
00:22:32.160I've I've I've even seen them in recent years go as far as to co-opt Jesus to such an extent that which we've seen with the New Age movement and everything.
00:22:42.100Right. Well, actually, it's very interesting because tomorrow we have Joe Joe and Franco.
00:23:33.280So we're going to do a little bit of scratching to see what we could find there from this guy.
00:23:37.340But we're getting it from all different angles is what I'm getting at, Karen.
00:23:41.040It seems like there's a lot of damage control going on.
00:23:43.600And a lot of it is in direct opposition to what you're as as an actual experience are describing.
00:23:50.180Exactly. I mean, you've got to look at there's so much predictive programming out there.
00:23:54.060There's so much of an attempt to try to steer people in a very specific direction with this.
00:24:00.140You know, and I know you've spoken with L.A. about things like the great the coming great deception.
00:24:04.740And she talks about, you know, and when we go up, they show up when we go up, they come down is what he says.
00:24:10.260And I agree with him 100 percent. In the 1950s, George Adamski coined the phrase our benevolent space brothers.
00:24:18.080And that, again, is just another part of this predictive programming.
00:24:22.120They're trying to show them as our benevolent, you know, space brethren who are here to help us and save the planet.
00:24:27.920But when when I and L.A. and Vicki speak to people, we often say, you know, tell me, where is it OK to kidnap a four or five year old child?
00:24:40.060When is it OK to sexually assault a man or a woman?
00:24:43.480When is it OK to steal a fetus from someone's body?
00:24:46.040At what point is it OK to mutilate cattle, sheep, animals, people who are also mutilated?
00:24:52.680You know, that way. What point are destroying crops and fields?
00:24:58.040That's not preserving the land. That's not preserving the crops with crop circles and things like that that are bent and woven in such a way as would take us years to even complete one little tiny bit of that if a human were to do it.
00:25:10.840So there's just so much that doesn't fit into this benevolent space brothers package they're trying to sell to everyone.
00:25:20.500But people are still buying it because they want that feel good story.
00:25:24.100They want this beautiful bright light to come down from the sky and save everyone.
00:25:28.100We have that. We have that in a savior. We have that in Jesus.
00:25:30.660But people are calling on it with CE5 and opening doors and making covenants with entities that do not have their best interest at heart.
00:25:39.860I mean, when somebody comes along and says to steal your purse or rob your house or carjack you, they don't wear a T-shirt that says, hey, I'm here to rob, cheat, steal, lie, kill.
00:25:53.180No, they come in as this nice, respectable person or someone you could trust or they sneak in where you don't see them.
00:25:59.880So evil doesn't tend to announce itself.
00:26:03.160And so in order to gain the permission, this evil is trying to find a way to look like something people might want so people will invite it in.
00:26:11.600And it really is deception at the highest level when we start talking about space brothers because people are not going to see the difference.
00:26:19.860They're going to see Satan coming as an angel of light and think that it's this wonderful, benevolent being just because it's beautiful doesn't mean it's a good thing.
00:26:28.160You know, and just because it helps you once doesn't mean the next time it's not going to hurt you.
00:26:34.740We have so many warnings in the Bible, so many warnings in our gospel to not mess with these things.
00:26:40.960But people don't want to pay attention to that because they want the fun, the excitement.
00:26:45.080They want to see the shiny object and they want to call it forth and have this feel, this strength and this power, I think, that they get from that.
00:26:52.720And that's a very scary thing for many people out there doing those types of things like CE5, for example.
00:26:58.240So some interesting things there that you said, like the concerted effort that we're all dealing with right now, watching them do this stuff.
00:27:06.740Part of it is the idea that we have to invite them in.
00:27:10.720So, yeah, that like they have that part covered.
00:27:13.280I mean, social media or just like Hollywood from the 1950s to 70s Roswell and that whole concerted effort.
00:27:20.080So, yeah, that's covered the part where we have to invite them in.
00:27:22.720But I just wanted to drop a little information for you.
00:30:02.460And we had a buddy of ours because we do quite a bit of research on frequency and vibration and things of that nature.
00:30:10.520And, you know, the CIA has a real interest in it.
00:30:13.520Seems to be able to sync the hemispheres of the brain and give you these experiences or put you in contact.
00:30:18.680You can channel easier, et cetera, et cetera.
00:30:21.140It seems like it's the gift that keeps on giving if you're the CIA.
00:30:23.600But one listener in particular who wrote in to us said that he used to use these binaural beats.
00:30:31.600And they would be adapted to specific frequencies.
00:30:34.580He said one day he discovered a frequency that made him have alien abduction experiences, poltergeist activity in the house, demonic encounters.
00:30:43.400You name it, the whole, you know, shebang starts happening to him.
00:30:48.040Later on, he would find out that the exact frequency, which he kept to himself, he didn't want to tell us, you know, for fear of anybody else dialing into it.
00:30:55.880But he said it's the same one that Stephen Greer uses for his CE5.
00:31:02.460So the same thing, the same frequency that gave this guy alien abduction experiences, poltergeist activity, sleep paralysis, and demonic encounters is the same thing that Stephen Greer is using to summon in these oars.
00:31:14.860Is that the same thing you were doing yourself with a fan?
00:31:31.320Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, that's something that people don't seem, tend to understand or understand well enough is the frequencies and vibrations.
00:31:39.580I mean, God created all of this for a reason.
00:31:42.240And there are so many things that we're not meant to mess with or understand, you know, when the fallen ones share the sacred knowledge.
00:31:49.320And that's one of those things I think that was, that was shared that really wasn't meant to be because it could be used so dangerously against us because we are not designed to be able to defend ourselves properly against some of these things.
00:32:06.640You know, and, you know, and, and so that when you look at Stephen Greer, though, to back up to him a little bit, you know, when you, if you read his bio and his information, and I've listened to him quite a bit just to understand why and what he's doing.
00:32:20.400He had an encounter where he really invited something in and then this thing told him, this entity, exactly what and how to do to continue with the CE5 protocol and to create the CE5 protocol.
00:32:33.920So he does identify a very specific point in time where it sounds to me like he allowed something to inhabit him and kind of take over.
00:32:45.540And then you just, when you look at him, you can see there's a change, you know, at that point.
00:32:49.820And so for me, that was kind of the kicker of, yeah, you really want to stay away from this.
00:32:57.520It's not something we're meant to play with.
00:33:00.300And calling forth entities that you don't understand, that you're not familiar with, and expecting them to just be benevolent, you know, I mean, that's ridiculous.
00:33:11.440And then you take that home to your family, your friends, your loved ones, your children.
00:33:14.260I mean, it's so dangerous and yet people are just so excited.
00:33:19.700They gather by the thousands to go out into the desert or the woods or wherever and call upon these entities, these things that they don't know about, that they don't understand.
00:33:30.440I mean, it's just, you might as well be playing with a Ouija board or a book of spells or tarot cards.
00:33:36.500It's right up there with all of those things.
00:33:38.600I would say it's almost more direct, right?
00:33:40.840I mean, it seems to yield consistent results.
00:33:46.000But I look at this and I feel as though it's all done by design because, you know, we really have omitted spirituality here in the West.
00:33:56.180We live in this materialistic paradigm.
00:33:59.540And I don't think that that's sustainable.
00:34:01.700I think you could implement that over a people for a time, but eventually they will long for something spiritual.
00:34:09.080Well, isn't it an interesting push-up goal?
00:34:14.440You've got, like, they put the blanket over our eyes of spirituality, but then at the same time, these spiritual entities kind of want access to us.
00:34:25.340So they have to then represent themselves in a way.
00:35:05.860It's always been that interesting that, you know, you've got atheists and agnostics.
00:35:08.960And it's like, if you believe in nothing, it's one thing.
00:35:11.720But to believe in something and then believe it doesn't exist, aren't you really...
00:35:15.720There's sort of, to me, there's just a strange paradigm to atheism where it almost negates what they're saying and what they're doing by believing in something and choosing not to believe in it because they believe in it.
00:35:59.820If not, give it about a week, and this episode will drop in its entirety with certain words omitted so that we don't trip up the algorithm.
00:36:07.540So, yeah, I look at that time period as one that was necessary.
00:36:12.140It wasn't sustainable, but you had to get us to the point of some, I don't know what the percentages are, but some widely accepted version of atheism for the general public.
00:36:21.080And then from there, it was only a matter of time until people longed for some form of spirituality because it's obvious if you're paying attention to life in any way, shape, or form that there's a supernatural aspect to things.
00:36:32.020And I think you can kind of put the blinders on.
00:36:34.200Generally, up until something happens to you in your life, then you go looking for answers.
00:36:38.200And who is prepared to give you those answers?
00:36:41.780Well, the New Age religion is quite prepared.
00:37:15.280Well, and if you have to go back to the Garden of Eden, you will be as gods, you know.
00:37:18.700We're saying the same story recycled over and over again as people long for a more closeness to a better understanding of where do I come from?
00:38:08.600We're still talking about fallen angelic beings who are trying to get people to turn away from God and pledge their allegiance and open up themselves to the darkness and to the, you know, the fallen side.
00:38:31.820Even though he knows he's not going to win, he's going to take this respite that he has and try to make the most of it and take as many people down as he can with him.
00:38:41.840And just in a thumbing his nose at the human race, you know, we took this planet from them.
00:39:50.200I mean, there's so many parables that lead you back to that, you know, where they're given the money and the one buries it and hides it and one squanders it away.
00:40:00.880When you care for something and you allow it to flourish, that is what we're supposed to be doing with everything that God's given us, including this place that we get to live.
00:40:09.860So we're not trying to be all new age about it.
00:40:13.600I'm just saying we are stewards of this earth.
00:42:27.280Even these moments where I think the Holy Spirit reveals to you some truth that is just beyond your grasp and you get hit with this epiphany.
00:42:36.140You get to connect some sort of neuron in your brain.
00:42:39.080We do that on episodes with LA, with, I guess, Karen now and Vicky all the time.
00:42:45.020Every time she's been on, we're like, oh, yeah.
00:42:46.940And when that happens, it's like, you know, there are these little things that make, I just can't look at it as a prison.
00:42:53.220It's like why we do the show, I guess.
00:43:01.740You know, we'll kind of use the analogy of like, let's say you have a pharmaceutical company that hurts a lot of people.
00:43:08.160And there's a lot of deaths because of their thing, you know, and they go, man, the amount of lawsuits that we maybe we should dissolve the company and just reopen under a new name.
00:43:20.040It'll be some dude prancing through a field of wheat in the sunshine and it'll, you know, list off a litany of diseases or side effects that you'll get while the guy's spinning his wife in there.
00:44:02.040And it seems that a lot of what they're doing is this attempt to bridge the gap between us and them in some sort of meaningful way.
00:44:08.960Well, I think this is a good jumping off point to like get because I would like to I've heard your story a bunch of times, but I'd like to hear it again from you.
00:44:17.720But yeah, that's this seems this is like your story, right?
00:44:26.060So it's kind of like, especially the hybridization program part, because I think that's where there's so much to discuss and the grays.
00:44:35.100I mean, those are two areas where I have so much to share and discuss.
00:44:38.860And so I'm trying to do another book that really focuses down more on those things, because there's just so much information to share.
00:44:46.520When you look at this program of hybridization of people, this breeding program, they're definitely trying to manipulate our DNA.
00:44:57.620They're definitely trying to create entities that are passable as humans.
00:45:01.160You look at the books by Dr. David Jacobs, Walking Among Us was one of them.
00:45:07.120And there there are entities among us that just look so human.
00:45:12.600You can't tell them from a non-human entity according.
00:45:17.780And there's just too many reports to ignore.
00:45:19.680And some of us, when we see them, not just myself, but others, we sense them, we see them, we can tell them right away.
00:45:29.140And it's scary how many are out there.
00:45:32.260And it sounds fantastical, but it really isn't that far off base.
00:45:35.680I mean, we know that chimeric beings are being created today in labs, you know, mixes of animals and humans and things and clones and those types of things.
00:45:46.680We have the ability to to raise a fetus in an artificial womb.
00:46:20.980But yeah, so back to the hybridization program, though, you know, I do think that part of it is, you know, back to they want this earth back.
00:46:29.680And one way to do that is to be just human enough to have the birthright, but just alien enough to not be human.
00:46:38.060You know, where do you find that sweet spot?
00:46:39.680And to lure people away from the truth, you know, to lure people away from the truth of the gospel, to create their own their own civilization that's not human.
00:47:00.140So they being the non-human alien entities, the fallen angels.
00:47:03.480This is something they've been doing, you know, since Genesis 3, Genesis 6, you know, since the Garden of Eden, when he said you can be as gods and tempted Adam and Eve.
00:47:28.060Do you would you rather I just talk about my experiences and kind of get.
00:47:31.940Well, I was actually whatever I was actually looking for in a post on the topic because, you know, you're saying how they'll lead you to anything but the gospel.
00:47:41.940And I was just remembering, like, recently within this New Age movement, they have rebranded Jesus Christ in so many different ways.
00:49:32.960And so it kind of makes you look at that differently as, you know, because I think one thing about the word is that it's a living word and it changes with kind of where we are in time.
00:49:43.760I think it's so amazing how God wrote the word to evolve and move along with us through life, where you look at a verse one way and it really fits.
00:49:54.760And then everything's changing in the world.
00:49:56.740And now this verse really fits, but in a whole nother context.
00:49:59.660And that's how I'm kind of seeing Matthew 24 evolve into now the way people are approaching Jesus.
00:50:07.020They're saying his name, but the reason calling on Jesus doesn't always work for some people is goes right back to permissions.
00:50:15.780And I wrote about this a while back, too, is it's like having a washing machine and a dryer and just throwing your clothes on the floor and walking away and coming back and thinking they're going to be washed and dried and folded.
00:50:34.780And so when I we you guys mentioned really early in the show, and I wanted to get back to this, why some people say calling on Jesus works and some people like Tim Alvarez say, no, it doesn't.
00:50:45.320You know, just because you call on Jesus doesn't mean you're not going to get beheaded in the name of whatever belief system you're a part of.
01:14:49.340And there was always like this low vibrational hum when I would be taken when I would go through a window or a ceiling or a door or a wall or what have you.
01:14:59.780That was accompanied by this frequency change,
01:15:18.840but the way that you can emit a certain frequency that would cause glass to shatter is probably within the realm of possibility that you can create a frequency that would cause things to separate on a molecular level in order to pass through a solid object.
01:18:37.060or is there room for this outer space conversation?
01:18:39.560I think there's room for the outer space conversation only because I think that they can utilize the skies and the atmospheres as much as they're capable of.
01:18:47.960And that it makes as much sense to come in and out of a portal in the sky as it would in and out of a portal under the water.
01:28:26.840There's so much that's happened just there.
01:28:29.280So I'm just so excited to share all the rest of this information because there's so much more out there.
01:28:36.220And working with people like L.A. and Vicki,
01:28:37.800we get this opportunity to really dig into these subjects and research them and find out just so much stuff that the public hasn't been made privy to.
01:28:46.900It hasn't been shared properly or shared well enough or shared at all.