Nephilim Death Squad - Is the Spiritual Realm a Lie w⧸ Ed Mabrie

00:00:00.000 Top Lobster Productions

00:00:30.000 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad.

00:00:56.600 I am David Lee Corbo, a.k.a. The Raven.

00:00:58.760 And that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

00:01:01.720 Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder,

00:01:03.500 if you're looking for a place to support the boys,

00:01:05.400 patreon.com forward slash Nephilim Death Squad is the way to do it.

00:01:08.880 And toplobster.com.

00:01:10.020 We're not going to pull it up.

00:01:10.860 We're not messing around today.

00:01:11.960 We don't have any time.

00:01:12.440 We have to get straight into the conversation.

00:01:14.020 We are here with Ed Mabry.

00:01:15.640 We're doing a late one on a Friday.

00:01:17.580 Everybody knows that Fridays are for the Lord.

00:01:20.180 I feel like everybody knows.

00:01:21.220 Every time we have Ed on, I said we have to do this more often.

00:01:24.340 But we're getting it done.

00:01:25.440 Ed, before we get into the conversation,

00:01:27.080 we're going to talk about the spiritual realm.

00:01:29.000 And I guess the biblical evidence for the spiritual realm,

00:01:31.980 how to define it.

00:01:33.320 Before we do that, let's talk about where people can support you.

00:01:36.500 And don't say it's in the spiritual realm, please.

00:01:39.500 No, no, absolutely not.

00:01:41.400 I can't get paid from the spiritual realm.

00:01:43.120 They don't take that at the bank.

00:01:45.520 Totally kidding.

00:01:46.240 So where you can support me and look into everything that I've been doing,

00:01:49.680 the two main sites, there's my regular legacy website,

00:01:52.740 which is faithbyreason.net.

00:01:55.500 Tons of material there.

00:01:56.720 If you want to join, become a member,

00:01:58.800 you get access to the entire Revelation series,

00:02:01.780 the Genesis series that I'm working on right now,

00:02:04.560 as well as a bunch of other stuff that is behind paywall.

00:02:07.680 Tons of information there.

00:02:08.680 And you can also go to my Patreon,

00:02:11.320 patreon.com slash faithbyreason.

00:02:14.240 And if you go there, you can be,

00:02:16.600 that's where I'm most active.

00:02:18.640 You can be a part of the Q and A's.

00:02:22.040 I answer your questions.

00:02:23.860 You get discounts on things.

00:02:25.380 You get bonus episodes.

00:02:26.240 You don't find any place else.

00:02:26.980 And you can be a part of my monthly Bible study,

00:02:28.980 where we go through the entire Bible in one year,

00:02:31.460 once a month,

00:02:32.060 from the standpoint of the supernatural spiritual realm.

00:02:35.640 There you go.

00:02:37.020 So there you go.

00:02:39.200 May or may not.

00:02:40.160 We're not sure.

00:02:40.580 And also there's my upcoming spiritual warfare course,

00:02:42.900 which you will probably talk about some today as well.

00:02:46.700 That's going to be starting.

00:02:47.660 What's the ETA on that, Ed?

00:02:48.600 April.

00:02:49.000 April.

00:02:49.500 There we go.

00:02:50.020 Okay, cool.

00:02:50.480 Very cool.

00:02:50.900 Yep.

00:02:51.140 We're actively getting all the curriculum stuff together.

00:02:53.260 Myself and John Linhart,

00:02:54.240 who's been on the show in the past.

00:02:56.260 It's going to be amazing.

00:02:57.540 Every time John and I talk and we're getting our information together,

00:03:00.460 we're like, man, this thing is going to kill.

00:03:02.240 And I'm not saying that out of arrogance,

00:03:03.860 but just because we think we're going to be able to help a lot of people.

00:03:06.940 We're just really excited about,

00:03:08.880 number one, about the ability to help people.

00:03:10.400 And secondly, how many people need the help?

00:03:13.420 Because we have, you can pre-register for it now.

00:03:15.420 You can go to faithbyreason.net on the front page.

00:03:18.200 You'll see where you can sign up to pre-register just to let us know that

00:03:20.660 you're interested and we're sending out emails to you.

00:03:24.460 I think if you scroll down a bit, well, yeah,

00:03:26.400 well it's right up there at the top and there's also a visual.

00:03:28.400 Yeah. So you can, you can sign up there, no obligations.

00:03:30.500 You're just getting on our mailing list and I'm sending out emails.

00:03:33.160 Actually, I'll be sending out another one either today or tomorrow,

00:03:35.340 the second in the series, just preparing you for the course.

00:03:38.320 And then once we get to March, April,

00:03:40.640 then you'll be able to sign up for the actual course.

00:03:42.800 But we want to let you know what you're getting into, you know,

00:03:45.300 because there's a cost involved and, you know,

00:03:47.180 we want to make sure it's, it's, you feel it's worth your while.

00:03:49.620 But as part of that registration, you know, we ask a few questions.

00:03:52.600 How familiar are you with spiritual warfare?

00:03:54.280 And then we have like a comment box.

00:03:57.600 You can just give us your comments and people have been just saying some

00:04:00.600 amazing things about things that they're going through and,

00:04:03.640 and, and how they need help for themselves or for their family.

00:04:06.800 And so I think we're going to help a lot of people.

00:04:09.580 This course is not just a few prayers you can say and some chants or whatever.

00:04:14.280 No, this is, as, as I say on the, on the website,

00:04:17.380 this is Delta Force level spiritual warriors, 12 months of courses.

00:04:22.060 We're going to, we start you, we start with the defense.

00:04:24.680 Like when, you know, when you go into the military,

00:04:26.420 they don't just give you a gun the first day and send you off to battle.

00:04:29.100 No, you start what doing pushups, pull-ups, sit-ups,

00:04:32.280 learning your limits, running until you can't run anymore.

00:04:34.660 You're, you need to learn yourself, your limits, your weaknesses,

00:04:37.580 and you learn defense.

00:04:39.920 You learn how to protect yourself.

00:04:41.340 That's number one.

00:04:42.200 And I think just, and that's in the first three months.

00:04:44.280 And I think that alone is going to be worth the price of the course,

00:04:46.820 just to have your defenses up.

00:04:48.480 So those areas where you're always falling and you're always getting attacked,

00:04:51.940 we're going to help you shore those up because,

00:04:54.560 and here's the thing that you aren't going to get from any other course.

00:04:57.240 We're, a lot of these other courses,

00:04:59.020 they will just give you blanket ways to do spiritual warfare.

00:05:02.060 No, this is tailored to you.

00:05:03.720 So the first, in the first three months,

00:05:05.300 we're going to help you know who you are because you are not attacked randomly.

00:05:08.740 You are attacked specifically, uniquely.

00:05:10.780 And where you are, these entities know you and they know where to hit you.

00:05:16.780 We're going to help you understand yourself and then identify your weak points and your strongholds.

00:05:21.280 And once you shore those up, you're no longer vulnerable.

00:05:24.360 Then the next part is going on to attack, learning the offensive,

00:05:27.500 learning about who these entities are, how they operate,

00:05:29.920 and the laws that they have to abide by.

00:05:32.560 And we're going to show you how to use that to your advantage.

00:05:35.460 Then the course is going to end with you learning how to replicate this,

00:05:39.440 how you can help others.

00:05:40.380 Now that you've helped yourself, now it's time to help your friends,

00:05:42.860 your family, your spouse, your kids, and teach them what we've taught you.

00:05:46.300 So we're going to, we're building an army.

00:05:48.040 And that's, that's the whole point of this.

00:05:49.880 That's awesome.

00:05:50.640 It's excellent.

00:05:51.240 I want to put on your, put on your floaty first.

00:05:53.760 Yes.

00:05:54.140 Yeah.

00:05:54.900 Exactly.

00:05:55.680 Exactly.

00:05:56.340 Well, like, sorry to interrupt.

00:05:58.220 I think it's unintentional, but they're starting in April,

00:06:00.640 which is the actual new year.

00:06:02.760 Oh, yeah.

00:06:03.220 Technical.

00:06:03.920 Yeah.

00:06:04.120 Oh, right.

00:06:04.440 Yeah.

00:06:04.580 The tissue.

00:06:05.720 Was it the tissue?

00:06:07.240 Is that, is that the right year?

00:06:09.440 The new year, uh, the, the right month?

00:06:11.300 I think it's, uh, cause I think it's supposed to be April,

00:06:13.880 which makes sense just in the 14th history, 14, I believe.

00:06:16.960 Oh, I don't even know.

00:06:17.780 I don't know.

00:06:18.160 I just heard that they moved it around.

00:06:19.360 They lied to us.

00:06:19.980 That's all I know.

00:06:20.940 Um, but this conversation that we're going to get into today,

00:06:23.620 just about the nature of the spiritual realm,

00:06:25.380 the existence of the spiritual realm is actually,

00:06:27.180 I think it'd be a good conjoinder to,

00:06:29.180 to what you're talking about.

00:06:30.100 But before we even go any further,

00:06:31.540 I want to recommend that people go to, uh,

00:06:33.840 Tony Merkel's show, the confessionals,

00:06:35.580 listen to your episode, your second episode on the confessionals that just dropped.

00:06:39.740 Fantastic episode.

00:06:40.640 The first one was on the little season.

00:06:42.120 Uh, you, Tony and Joel did a fantastic job of laying out the argument against it.

00:06:46.340 And now you, you have your second one.

00:06:48.620 This was recorded a while ago, right?

00:06:50.420 And like, yeah, it was recorded in September.

00:06:51.620 Cause I forgot what I even talked about.

00:06:54.160 Well, it was fantastic.

00:06:55.680 I just finished listening to it, uh, yesterday, I think.

00:06:59.560 And, uh, it's really great.

00:07:00.900 So I recommend people go over there and check that out.

00:07:03.060 You can get Tony to go.

00:07:04.800 What?

00:07:05.220 Yeah.

00:07:05.720 Yeah.

00:07:05.920 It's like it.

00:07:06.360 Cause now it's like,

00:07:07.260 I don't want to be rude and say,

00:07:08.580 say the horrible things like that.

00:07:10.780 Which what?

00:07:11.400 Which horrible thing?

00:07:12.040 I'll tell you after the show.

00:07:13.080 Okay.

00:07:13.460 All right.

00:07:13.860 No, no, no, no.

00:07:14.880 Nothing about anybody, anyone involved.

00:07:16.520 It's just,

00:07:16.880 it was going to be a bad metaphor that I was going to use,

00:07:18.920 but yeah,

00:07:19.580 you're making,

00:07:20.120 it's like making a comedian laugh.

00:07:22.000 Yeah.

00:07:22.360 Okay.

00:07:22.620 Yes.

00:07:23.300 Yeah.

00:07:23.600 I was going to say my,

00:07:24.740 my mind went somewhere else.

00:07:25.840 I need help.

00:07:26.500 If you can give a guy,

00:07:28.540 uh,

00:07:29.500 who delves in the spiritual realm constantly,

00:07:31.940 something revelatory about the spiritual realm.

00:07:35.300 That's that's a big thing.

00:07:36.460 Yeah.

00:07:36.680 Also another kudos for Ed listening to it.

00:07:39.700 Tony goes at one point,

00:07:41.060 he goes,

00:07:41.380 I can tell that you're like perceiving,

00:07:43.600 uh,

00:07:44.640 what I'm thinking as you're talking.

00:07:46.160 Yes.

00:07:46.440 It's like most people aren't do that.

00:07:48.100 You know who didn't do that?

00:07:49.480 Timothy Albino during our debate.

00:07:50.900 I don't want to get into what he was doing.

00:07:52.820 I'm just saying,

00:07:53.440 listen when I,

00:07:54.120 no,

00:07:54.280 cause it,

00:07:54.580 but it's,

00:07:55.100 it's correct.

00:07:55.760 And that's true.

00:07:56.400 It's a big compliment on you.

00:07:57.640 And man likes like you're talking to people,

00:07:59.260 but you're being perceptive of what they're saying.

00:08:01.000 Cause you're,

00:08:01.380 you're teaching and you're seeing,

00:08:02.760 does this resonate?

00:08:03.640 No.

00:08:04.240 And you also have a good sense of when somebody else is going to talk,

00:08:07.400 which is really important in a conversation.

00:08:09.840 Um,

00:08:10.200 so yeah,

00:08:10.740 I hope that people could go over and check that episode out.

00:08:13.580 If you want more Ed Mabry,

00:08:14.680 it was a fantastic showing both those episodes.

00:08:16.800 So,

00:08:16.820 uh,

00:08:17.000 I'm glad I mean,

00:08:18.340 I looked at the timestamp.

00:08:19.560 It was like two,

00:08:20.260 two plus hours.

00:08:21.080 Like I didn't feel like we talked for that long.

00:08:22.340 And it was like so much more I wanted to say,

00:08:23.740 cause I just feel 20 saying we need to bring this in for a landing.

00:08:26.560 Like,

00:08:26.780 didn't we just start with that?

00:08:27.960 You know,

00:08:28.420 at the risk of glazing too much here and we're going to move on.

00:08:31.360 I'm not going to give you any more compliments after this,

00:08:32.960 but that's my favorite show.

00:08:34.440 And one of my favorite people on my favorite show,

00:08:36.500 it was fantastic.

00:08:37.280 That was,

00:08:37.720 it felt like a treat for,

00:08:39.220 for me and you,

00:08:39.920 you know what I mean?

00:08:40.760 Uh,

00:08:41.080 and I,

00:08:41.620 and I'm sure our audience,

00:08:42.640 so,

00:08:42.880 uh,

00:08:43.060 go and check that out now.

00:08:44.460 Now the conversation that we're going to get into,

00:08:46.340 um,

00:08:46.840 is one that I was eager to have.

00:08:48.060 Do you want to start it out?

00:08:48.940 Like we were talking a little bit before the show about a topic on that

00:08:52.000 episode where,

00:08:53.240 uh,

00:08:53.480 you had like a point of disagreement with just the nature of,

00:08:56.480 of the,

00:08:57.780 the fallen,

00:08:58.740 the angels.

00:08:59.660 And you actually did mention our friend on there.

00:09:02.420 And you said,

00:09:03.140 I disagree with that.

00:09:04.220 Would you want to extrapolate on that a little?

00:09:05.880 Because I thought that was a fantastic point.

00:09:08.180 Yeah.

00:09:08.500 So yeah,

00:09:10.400 let's get into that because I know you had,

00:09:12.040 you had your,

00:09:12.900 your,

00:09:13.100 your debate with him.

00:09:14.160 And I was listening to it last night.

00:09:16.280 Um,

00:09:16.680 I think I listened to probably about 70,

00:09:19.160 80% of it.

00:09:19.760 And then I just got tired and had to go to sleep because I was taking a lot

00:09:22.760 of notes and just to,

00:09:24.920 to back up.

00:09:25.700 So this is not personal.

00:09:26.680 I don't know Tim Alvarez.

00:09:28.420 I never met him.

00:09:29.120 So I'm not trying to cast the spirits on him personally,

00:09:31.480 but there are some areas where I think he was wrong.

00:09:34.560 And here's the thing.

00:09:35.660 When you,

00:09:36.320 when you hear someone and they are talking a lot about things in,

00:09:41.760 in unorthodox manner,

00:09:42.980 or they're being very matter of fact about something,

00:09:45.260 it tells me that this is based on their worldview and we all have a

00:09:48.840 worldview and our worldview is based on,

00:09:50.520 on a central truth.

00:09:51.880 And that central truth is going to shape our worldview.

00:09:54.400 And then the world is going to,

00:09:56.140 is going to conform around that.

00:09:57.700 For example,

00:09:58.700 my core worldview that's unshakable is the nature of God and what he,

00:10:04.140 in his will for us,

00:10:05.420 the nature of God is that he's always a completely right and just.

00:10:07.780 God will not ever be wrong.

00:10:09.380 He will not ever be unjust.

00:10:10.940 That's the core principle.

00:10:12.820 And the other is his will.

00:10:14.300 And his will is for us to be with him and have fellowship with him for

00:10:17.500 eternity.

00:10:18.080 Those are two things that are rock solid.

00:10:19.780 So that shapes my,

00:10:21.060 that shapes my worldview.

00:10:22.120 And it also shapes how I put everything else in the categories.

00:10:25.480 So when I look at the Bible,

00:10:26.460 I'm looking at it from looking at it through that lens of,

00:10:29.860 is this helping me get closer to Jehovah or further away?

00:10:32.680 Because his will is for me to get closer to him.

00:10:34.380 So my doctrines,

00:10:35.860 a good doctrine brings you closer to God.

00:10:37.740 A bad doctrine takes you further away from God.

00:10:41.400 Anything in that you believe about God,

00:10:43.760 that is makes him either unrighteous or unjust.

00:10:46.440 That's you have to,

00:10:47.520 you have to discount that you have to get rid of it.

00:10:50.060 So with Tim,

00:10:51.880 so with Tim listening to him,

00:10:55.900 I took a step back and I,

00:10:57.720 and we were talking about this before the show,

00:10:59.420 and I'm going to get right into what you were talking about with the whole,

00:11:01.540 with the angels and my point of disagreement with him on Tony's show.

00:11:06.200 But I want to make sure that I give full context.

00:11:09.180 So I want to take a step back and I,

00:11:11.540 and look at what he believes,

00:11:13.340 because he was saying some things that I think were pretty,

00:11:15.240 pretty outlandish in my opinion.

00:11:17.960 Maybe I'm,

00:11:18.920 maybe I'm not right,

00:11:19.560 but I,

00:11:19.920 but I disagree with him on things like he was saying that there's no such

00:11:22.640 thing as a spiritual realm.

00:11:23.560 You can't define it.

00:11:24.300 Everything is physical to some degree.

00:11:26.160 And that the,

00:11:27.840 the angels,

00:11:28.680 the Elohim,

00:11:29.840 they are for lack of a better term,

00:11:32.640 they're physical.

00:11:33.460 They're,

00:11:33.820 they're like us.

00:11:34.620 And we're like them,

00:11:35.560 that they're just like a higher grade of human being,

00:11:38.220 that they have physical localities,

00:11:40.960 physical locality.

00:11:42.340 So he was elevating the physical above the spiritual,

00:11:44.940 which he doesn't think exists in.

00:11:47.300 And I guess the way that people think about it,

00:11:48.740 he kept talking to me about things like,

00:11:50.100 you know,

00:11:50.280 no one is disembodied or ethereal.

00:11:53.280 He was using those terms a lot disembodied and ethereal and that this

00:11:56.920 world is the real world.

00:11:57.900 And that the angelic beings appear are just graduate humans or we're

00:12:02.560 lesser forms of them.

00:12:04.380 And that they're just,

00:12:05.480 you know,

00:12:05.580 they're smarter than us.

00:12:06.380 They're more powerful than us,

00:12:07.280 but they're just like us.

00:12:08.220 They look like us.

00:12:09.540 And so if anyone has a vision in the Bible where they see an angel that

00:12:15.040 doesn't look human,

00:12:16.080 well,

00:12:16.400 that's not what they really look like.

00:12:17.740 That's just a symbol due to culture and things like that,

00:12:20.800 which I found very odd.

00:12:21.840 And he also said something that's provably wrong,

00:12:25.280 which is that there's no,

00:12:26.720 there's no scientific evidence for other dimensions.

00:12:28.720 Cause I believe,

00:12:29.660 I think you were Raven.

00:12:31.200 You said something about,

00:12:32.440 well,

00:12:32.680 do you believe that the spiritual realm is extra dimensional?

00:12:35.080 He said,

00:12:35.320 well,

00:12:35.400 there's no,

00:12:35.780 there aren't higher dimensions or something to that.

00:12:38.320 I think he said something to that effect that you can't scientifically,

00:12:40.640 you can't prove that,

00:12:41.400 which yeah,

00:12:42.680 you can.

00:12:43.240 That's real easy.

00:12:44.240 That's based that science already says this.

00:12:47.840 You can Google that really quickly.

00:12:49.120 So that scientists believe that we live in at least 10 dimensions.

00:12:52.500 We have the three spatial dimensions of,

00:12:54.420 you know,

00:12:54.940 the length,

00:12:56.280 height,

00:12:56.700 and depth.

00:12:57.500 And then we also have the dimensionality of time.

00:12:59.500 Those are the three knowable dimensions,

00:13:01.720 but there are also another six dimensions on top of that,

00:13:04.900 including gravity,

00:13:06.560 electromagnetism,

00:13:07.440 the strong and weak nuclear force.

00:13:08.800 They're all curled as,

00:13:10.040 as a physicist would tell you,

00:13:11.780 curl,

00:13:12.320 curled,

00:13:12.920 um,

00:13:13.520 to a very small,

00:13:14.800 um,

00:13:15.720 things like 10 to the minus,

00:13:16.680 minus 66 centimeters.

00:13:18.120 That doesn't matter unless you're really into advanced mathematics,

00:13:20.620 but those dimensions exist.

00:13:22.320 And to say they don't,

00:13:23.360 and to say that scientists,

00:13:24.560 there's no proof of it means you haven't done any research,

00:13:27.460 which is odd,

00:13:28.020 but that's your,

00:13:29.680 that's your,

00:13:30.240 that truth and your worldview shaping the world around you.

00:13:32.840 And just really quickly,

00:13:34.020 the way to prove,

00:13:35.900 uh,

00:13:36.600 dimensionality,

00:13:37.520 because higher dimensions are tough to understand.

00:13:40.080 The best way to do it is to go down a dimension.

00:13:42.460 We,

00:13:43.020 we experienced three dimensions.

00:13:44.740 Well,

00:13:45.300 we know there are two dimensions.

00:13:46.820 We can do that easily.

00:13:47.580 You can,

00:13:48.080 you can pick up a piece of paper and make a drawing.

00:13:51.780 You just made a two dimensional thing.

00:13:53.240 So obviously there are lower dimensions and those higher dimensions are

00:13:57.480 exponentially more,

00:14:00.080 um,

00:14:00.660 more substantial and complex.

00:14:02.760 Uh,

00:14:03.160 in,

00:14:03.460 in,

00:14:03.920 in,

00:14:04.220 in a,

00:14:04.580 um,

00:14:05.820 an example I've gave,

00:14:06.580 I think I've given it on this show before we look at video games.

00:14:09.420 You know,

00:14:09.720 I was growing up in the eighties and I'm a,

00:14:11.160 I'm a middle-aged guy.

00:14:12.020 So the eighties we had video games that were two dimensional.

00:14:14.600 We had Mac man and space invaders,

00:14:16.740 and you could only move up,

00:14:18.900 down,

00:14:19.440 back,

00:14:19.840 forth.

00:14:20.080 That's it.

00:14:20.620 Those were your only,

00:14:21.800 those are the only moves you could do.

00:14:23.480 When you compare that to modern video games,

00:14:26.540 and you name it,

00:14:27.900 I'm not a gamer,

00:14:28.820 so I don't know,

00:14:29.180 but they're three dimensional.

00:14:30.500 You're not just going up and down,

00:14:31.920 back and forth.

00:14:32.380 You're going inside of buildings.

00:14:33.560 You're going behind things.

00:14:34.500 You're,

00:14:34.860 you can turn around three 60 and see the whole room or whole world around

00:14:38.500 you.

00:14:38.800 It is exponentially,

00:14:40.680 unbelievably more complex than space invaders or,

00:14:44.860 or Pac-Man.

00:14:46.700 And so if you were to,

00:14:48.440 so imagine,

00:14:49.540 and this is why we'll get into this in a bit,

00:14:51.780 when he was saying that,

00:14:53.080 that when Ezekiel or Isaiah or Daniel were looking at these angelic beings,

00:14:58.820 these Elohim and describing them in these fantastic ways as being covered with

00:15:01.920 eyes and having six wings and looking like,

00:15:04.660 imagine they're looking at beings that are existing in at least 11 dimensions.

00:15:10.380 How do we know they're in 11 dimensions?

00:15:11.940 Because they're not physical.

00:15:14.360 So if our physical world is 10 is at least 10 dimensions.

00:15:17.460 Well,

00:15:17.620 these entities have to be in at least 11 dimensions.

00:15:20.200 So imagine a two dimensional being trying to describe three dimensions.

00:15:24.260 Cause if you live in a two dimensional world,

00:15:25.900 if you live on a flat piece of paper,

00:15:27.520 everything looks like a line.

00:15:29.400 There's no depth.

00:15:30.480 If I were to look at you guys,

00:15:31.820 I would just see a straight line.

00:15:33.300 And if I were able to take as two dimensional drawing off of my paper and put them into

00:15:39.240 this world,

00:15:39.740 how much trouble do you think he'd have describing three dimensions and this vast

00:15:45.400 three dimensional world?

00:15:46.560 Well,

00:15:47.120 that's probably the same or,

00:15:48.900 or far more difficult for Isaiah and Ezekiel and,

00:15:52.580 and,

00:15:52.860 and the apostle John to describe an 11 dimensional world.

00:15:56.920 So yeah.

00:15:58.120 So what them being covered in eyes and having wings and being wheels inside of

00:16:01.980 wheels,

00:16:02.220 they're doing their best to describe higher dimensions,

00:16:05.620 which exist.

00:16:06.660 All right.

00:16:07.200 So enough of that.

00:16:07.900 Let's talk about his truth and his worldview and his worldview.

00:16:12.560 As I said before,

00:16:13.520 is that the physical is dominant,

00:16:15.400 that everything has physical locality,

00:16:17.380 including heaven,

00:16:18.020 including the angels,

00:16:19.300 the yellow heme,

00:16:20.040 and they're,

00:16:20.580 they're,

00:16:20.820 they look like us.

00:16:21.640 What does he base that on?

00:16:23.480 He bases that from what I understand.

00:16:25.980 And again,

00:16:26.420 he's not here to defend himself.

00:16:27.800 So I'm just giving my best understanding.

00:16:29.540 You can correct me if you think I'm wrong with any of this.

00:16:31.780 And wait,

00:16:32.380 before you get over,

00:16:33.220 go a little bit further,

00:16:34.000 I think it's worth saying.

00:16:36.160 It might've been just the,

00:16:38.020 the contentious nature of the debate that we had with them.

00:16:43.540 But I,

00:16:44.280 I,

00:16:44.540 I will admit,

00:16:45.460 I have a lot of trouble understanding his worldview at all.

00:16:49.660 And,

00:16:50.220 and I'm not saying that it's solely on his inability to express his worldview

00:16:55.660 articulately.

00:16:56.500 It could well be because the energy of this conversation was not your typical podcast.

00:17:03.000 It was a debate.

00:17:03.980 It was contentious.

00:17:04.920 I'm just trying to be gracious as much as possible.

00:17:06.920 I know because I,

00:17:08.140 I've read his book and I told him,

00:17:10.180 well,

00:17:10.500 I told him on Twitter that 70% of it was coherent.

00:17:14.120 The last 30%,

00:17:15.400 I didn't understand.

00:17:16.720 And when I referenced it to friends,

00:17:18.120 they read it and they came,

00:17:19.680 they came back to me with like odd opinions about aliens and things like that,

00:17:24.260 because I thought that last 30% of his book went off the rails.

00:17:27.720 Right.

00:17:27.900 So I think it's fair within this conversation here to say there might be some

00:17:32.780 mischaracterizations of Albarino's idea of things.

00:17:36.280 I don't know.

00:17:36.560 He wrote it down,

00:17:37.220 David.

00:17:37.340 Well,

00:17:37.480 I'm just saying because it's,

00:17:38.880 it's really due to the idea that he did not articulate it in a way that we

00:17:43.220 could come away with any solid points to address.

00:17:45.520 It was very hard to understand.

00:17:48.360 And I've seen a lot of his material,

00:17:50.480 his books,

00:17:51.800 some of the work he's done with Steve Quayle and then the late Tom Horn.

00:17:55.600 I've watched a lot of their videos.

00:17:57.420 So I have some ideas and birthright.

00:17:59.460 And I've seen him do a lot of interviews on birthright.

00:18:01.260 I mean,

00:18:01.460 because I've followed him and Steve and Tom Horn,

00:18:05.400 you know,

00:18:05.700 I,

00:18:06.160 and I agree with a lot of,

00:18:07.880 of what they were talking about.

00:18:09.200 So I,

00:18:10.160 I do,

00:18:10.660 I think I have a pretty decent grasp.

00:18:12.160 I think that when he went to birthright,

00:18:13.760 I think that's when things got off the rails a little bit,

00:18:15.760 in my opinion.

00:18:16.720 And one of the things is that he,

00:18:20.160 and this is where we get into where I,

00:18:21.940 what I brought up briefly on the,

00:18:23.580 on Tony Merkel show was that he believes that the,

00:18:27.340 the,

00:18:28.700 the reason that the angels fell,

00:18:30.960 the 200 watchers in Genesis chapter six,

00:18:33.200 and also in first in first Enoch was because they physically lusted after

00:18:38.440 human women sexually.

00:18:40.320 They had a physical desire to have intercourse when they thought they were

00:18:45.100 beautiful.

00:18:45.420 They had nice boobs and nice butt and all that kind of stuff.

00:18:48.760 So they wanted to physically have intercourse with them.

00:18:52.260 So if you extrapolate that,

00:18:54.260 okay,

00:18:54.540 well,

00:18:55.080 if that's your truth,

00:18:56.220 if that's,

00:18:56.860 if that's shapes your worldview,

00:18:58.080 then angels have physical needs.

00:19:00.960 And they have,

00:19:01.820 and they're able to physically satisfy them.

00:19:03.320 They must have angelic sex organs.

00:19:05.500 And then you,

00:19:06.640 then you get some confirmation bias to a degree.

00:19:09.080 When you look at the,

00:19:10.680 the soul journey to the promised land where Jehovah fed the Israelites with

00:19:15.500 manna and which was called angels food.

00:19:17.540 And it was,

00:19:17.960 it was called the food of angels.

00:19:19.760 It's okay.

00:19:20.160 Well,

00:19:20.380 that means that they eat,

00:19:21.500 they have,

00:19:22.540 they need sustenance.

00:19:23.340 So they probably also drink.

00:19:25.020 So now you have entities that have physical desires,

00:19:28.400 can satisfy those physical desires,

00:19:30.160 can eat and drink.

00:19:31.560 Wait a minute.

00:19:32.120 These are,

00:19:33.080 these aren't spiritual disembodied ethereal things.

00:19:36.280 They're just regular physical.

00:19:37.600 They're more powerful than us.

00:19:38.680 They're greater than us,

00:19:39.400 but they're just like us.

00:19:41.040 And when you have that truth at your core,

00:19:44.640 if that's your core truth,

00:19:45.820 then your worldview changes to accommodate that.

00:19:49.300 So your worldview now is that there,

00:19:53.280 the spiritual realm must not be what we think it is.

00:19:56.140 Everything is physical.

00:19:57.340 These entities are angels are just graduate human beings,

00:20:00.440 or again,

00:20:00.880 or we're graduate angels or we're,

00:20:03.400 or we're like lower class angels.

00:20:05.400 They're just like us.

00:20:07.060 So when you have that truth that you hold on to,

00:20:10.260 and you put a worldview out on it,

00:20:12.760 then everything else has conformed to it.

00:20:14.300 So then when top,

00:20:15.360 when you talk to him,

00:20:16.140 when you go to the Bible and you say,

00:20:17.600 Hey,

00:20:17.700 look,

00:20:17.960 man,

00:20:18.200 you know,

00:20:18.440 there are multiple places where angels are described with wings.

00:20:21.940 The seraphim are set very clearly to have six wings.

00:20:25.400 Oh,

00:20:25.780 no,

00:20:25.900 that's symbolic.

00:20:26.760 Why?

00:20:27.300 Well,

00:20:27.500 because if it's not symbolic,

00:20:28.760 then angels don't look like men.

00:20:30.140 And then I'm,

00:20:30.620 then my theory is wrong.

00:20:32.100 And then you said,

00:20:33.000 so,

00:20:33.520 so this was,

00:20:34.100 so what,

00:20:34.740 when you said,

00:20:35.180 wait a minute,

00:20:35.560 you know,

00:20:35.740 people were taken to the throne room of God and they saw these things.

00:20:40.260 Oh no,

00:20:40.500 that was just a vision.

00:20:41.060 They weren't really taken there.

00:20:42.160 They,

00:20:42.560 they were just,

00:20:43.060 they were sitting by the river and they had a,

00:20:45.480 and they went to sleep and had a dream.

00:20:46.940 It's a vision.

00:20:47.760 Why?

00:20:48.120 Well,

00:20:48.380 because it has to be that way,

00:20:49.940 because if it's not a,

00:20:51.340 if it's,

00:20:51.720 if it's real,

00:20:52.580 if they were really before the throne of God,

00:20:54.060 and they really saw these angels,

00:20:55.400 well,

00:20:55.700 then my theory is wrong.

00:20:56.420 My theory can't be wrong.

00:20:57.660 Therefore,

00:20:58.220 I have to change the Bible to make this more symbolic.

00:21:01.200 And that's what,

00:21:02.560 that's a lot of what he was doing.

00:21:03.820 And,

00:21:04.220 and then top,

00:21:05.360 you even brought up that,

00:21:06.560 well,

00:21:06.780 wait a minute.

00:21:07.180 Why are,

00:21:08.340 why do multiple people throughout the centuries have the same visions?

00:21:12.720 How could the,

00:21:14.520 how could someone in the old Testament see the cherubim as having a features of

00:21:18.440 lions and eagles and man and ox?

00:21:21.360 And then a couple of thousand years later,

00:21:24.020 John,

00:21:24.260 the apostle goes to the throne room of God and he sees a cherubim having these

00:21:27.680 same features.

00:21:28.780 That's not how,

00:21:29.840 you know,

00:21:30.080 it's not just cultural because these cultures are separated by thousands of

00:21:33.620 years.

00:21:34.460 I mean,

00:21:34.980 the culture that we have today,

00:21:36.160 the symbolism that we have today is not the same as a symbolism someone

00:21:38.740 300 years ago would have.

00:21:40.440 So why would you have the same symbolism if it's,

00:21:43.240 if it's based on culture that separated by thousands of years,

00:21:47.660 it doesn't make any sense.

00:21:48.740 However,

00:21:49.280 he,

00:21:50.700 when,

00:21:51.020 when you have,

00:21:51.760 when you believe that you have the truth,

00:21:53.200 everything has to conform to it.

00:21:54.820 Why?

00:21:55.380 Because if it doesn't,

00:21:56.900 then your truth can't be true.

00:21:58.280 So it's one of those cases where,

00:22:00.560 and this is one of the many issues that I have with the little season people

00:22:03.500 is that when they believe the little season is true,

00:22:06.900 therefore,

00:22:07.360 if anything disputes that,

00:22:08.980 well,

00:22:09.600 that's okay.

00:22:10.320 That's,

00:22:10.500 we have to change it.

00:22:11.460 Don't change the Bible to fit your theory,

00:22:14.660 change your theory that the Bible,

00:22:15.860 unless you believe,

00:22:16.760 unless you want to elevate your theory above the Bible.

00:22:20.020 And if the Bible says that they look like this,

00:22:24.160 then they look like that.

00:22:25.660 And so,

00:22:27.560 so I'll let you guys talk about that,

00:22:29.500 but then,

00:22:29.780 so,

00:22:30.080 so that's,

00:22:30.760 that's the disagreement.

00:22:33.200 And I,

00:22:34.400 and the core of it is Genesis chapter six.

00:22:36.280 And there are two big issues with it.

00:22:39.200 One is practical and the other is biblical.

00:22:40.740 Why he's wrong about them lusting after women.

00:22:43.000 But,

00:22:43.420 and I want to get to that,

00:22:44.120 but I want to let you guys speak.

00:22:45.620 So I,

00:22:46.320 I,

00:22:46.620 I definitely want to get into that.

00:22:47.920 And I want to get into just,

00:22:50.000 you know,

00:22:51.340 instances of scripture where it is clear.

00:22:56.620 We're talking about,

00:22:57.440 you know,

00:22:57.920 a spiritual realm or things that would at least bolster that.

00:23:02.320 But to me,

00:23:03.740 and you know,

00:23:04.580 I,

00:23:04.880 I recognize that it's a,

00:23:07.280 it is accusatory in nature to say that somebody is,

00:23:11.040 you know,

00:23:11.540 bending scripture to fit their worldview.

00:23:12.980 But it looked to me like the reason that that was happening is because,

00:23:16.720 you know,

00:23:17.040 there there's this big disclosure that's coming and you know,

00:23:21.220 whatever the reason is,

00:23:22.000 and you can speculate as to that,

00:23:23.200 you know,

00:23:23.360 if you're the listener,

00:23:24.060 he wants to paint this disclosure and this alien phenomenon as being a

00:23:29.040 physical phenomenon and,

00:23:30.860 and being unrelated to biblical events.

00:23:35.800 And certainly I,

00:23:37.140 I,

00:23:37.620 he didn't say it explicitly,

00:23:38.420 but it seems then you would drive a wedge between anything demonic and,

00:23:42.980 and fallen angel,

00:23:44.520 you know,

00:23:44.840 nature and these things,

00:23:46.580 these are something that we're unaware of that are a separate creation that

00:23:50.680 are,

00:23:51.060 you know,

00:23:51.200 who knows what line of speculation you could draw from that,

00:23:53.820 but he wants to paint that as physical.

00:23:56.260 And,

00:23:56.800 and then I,

00:23:57.780 I think that is why you then start to bend things that are in scripture to

00:24:02.440 fit more of a symbolic nature and create straw man arguments like,

00:24:05.980 you know,

00:24:06.520 the next day going on blurry creatures and the title of that episode is UFOs

00:24:10.500 are not demons.

00:24:11.240 And it's like,

00:24:12.380 it's almost like we're saying like,

00:24:13.700 yeah,

00:24:13.840 this,

00:24:14.220 like,

00:24:14.420 you know this technology,

00:24:16.600 this metal from outer space or whatever is a demon.

00:24:19.080 It's like that.

00:24:19.700 We,

00:24:19.880 we've never said that this in the same way,

00:24:22.100 I would never say that this is a demon,

00:24:23.600 but it's quite possibly demonic technology that was given from us.

00:24:27.760 Or at the very least demons can interact with it for sure.

00:24:30.320 They're interacting all the time through this.

00:24:32.520 So that's,

00:24:33.260 I'm like,

00:24:33.500 come on,

00:24:33.860 man.

00:24:34.360 It is.

00:24:34.920 It's weird.

00:24:35.700 And it starts to paint a speculative picture that is,

00:24:41.100 is not very charitable.

00:24:45.260 I can't,

00:24:46.040 I can't really figure out why you would be painting that picture,

00:24:48.820 but go on.

00:24:49.480 Yeah.

00:24:49.720 And why you're so adamant about it?

00:24:51.040 I think if,

00:24:51.920 if I were on the show,

00:24:53.000 I don't,

00:24:53.620 and maybe you guys did,

00:24:54.220 cause I didn't see,

00:24:54.720 I think I missed the last half hour of the show,

00:24:56.260 but what I wanted to ask him,

00:24:57.520 it was,

00:24:57.980 okay,

00:24:58.260 if there is no spiritual thing and if there's no spiritual world and

00:25:02.300 everything is physical.

00:25:03.560 And these people,

00:25:04.820 again,

00:25:05.160 these prophets who were,

00:25:07.280 who said I was taken into the throne room of Jehovah.

00:25:10.980 And,

00:25:11.380 and they,

00:25:12.140 but no,

00:25:12.560 they was just,

00:25:13.020 you know,

00:25:13.120 they were just,

00:25:13.540 their body was fine.

00:25:14.280 I,

00:25:14.440 I,

00:25:14.780 I don't disagree that their body may is,

00:25:17.080 their bodies may have still been where they were,

00:25:19.540 but their spirit was taken to this realm.

00:25:22.200 So I would ask him,

00:25:23.320 okay,

00:25:23.620 if,

00:25:23.940 if there's,

00:25:25.140 if everything is all physical,

00:25:26.320 what happens when you die?

00:25:30.960 Because my,

00:25:32.280 I,

00:25:32.500 I,

00:25:33.440 I have relatives who've died.

00:25:34.860 They're not here anymore.

00:25:36.100 They're somewhere else.

00:25:37.400 Their body is gone.

00:25:38.780 My aunt,

00:25:39.480 who I love dearly was like a second mother to me.

00:25:41.600 I think I told you guys this last year around,

00:25:44.720 not last year,

00:25:45.340 excuse me.

00:25:45.760 She,

00:25:46.100 she passed away in late 2024 around Christmas and she was cremated.

00:25:51.760 Her body's gone,

00:25:54.120 but there's no spiritual realm.

00:25:56.320 Where is she?

00:25:58.840 I,

00:25:59.280 I,

00:25:59.360 I,

00:25:59.720 I'd love for him to under,

00:26:00.920 to,

00:26:01.120 to explain that because everything can't be physical.

00:26:04.100 Cause my aunt is physically gone,

00:26:05.800 but the Bible clearly says to be absent from the body is to be present with God.

00:26:09.900 So where is she present and,

00:26:11.700 and where's,

00:26:12.340 and she doesn't have a body.

00:26:13.400 So how does that work?

00:26:15.660 It was,

00:26:16.140 it was interesting because I can understand the,

00:26:18.340 the usefulness of definitions in,

00:26:20.580 in any kind of conversation.

00:26:21.620 It's,

00:26:21.900 it's important to have a baseline for the conversation you're having.

00:26:27.080 But when it comes to the intangible nature of the spirit realm,

00:26:30.700 it's almost as if you were to come into a room and say,

00:26:34.540 there's a demon in the other room.

00:26:37.400 Don't go in there.

00:26:38.080 And someone were to say,

00:26:39.600 well,

00:26:39.820 what is a demon?

00:26:41.240 And you get into this back and forth and it's like,

00:26:43.000 well,

00:26:43.080 what is the composition of a demon?

00:26:44.400 What is the nature of a demon?

00:26:45.820 What is it?

00:26:46.400 And it's like,

00:26:46.780 it,

00:26:46.920 it almost doesn't matter.

00:26:48.720 Like if you go out there,

00:26:49.360 he's going to kill you.

00:26:50.140 He's going to kill you.

00:26:50.900 Yeah.

00:26:51.020 If you go into that room,

00:26:51.780 it's going to eat you.

00:26:52.760 So,

00:26:53.180 you know,

00:26:55.820 there,

00:26:56.280 there comes a point of diminishing returns when it,

00:26:59.400 you know,

00:26:59.960 comes to defining things where once we have a grasp enough on the

00:27:04.920 language,

00:27:05.420 this is sufficient to have a productive conversation.

00:27:08.660 But we just never reach that.

00:27:12.040 Well,

00:27:12.100 one of the things you said,

00:27:12.820 Raven,

00:27:13.040 and I,

00:27:13.460 and I want to talk about more about spiritual realm after I,

00:27:15.480 cause I want to deal with the Genesis six stuff.

00:27:17.060 And I want to talk about the spiritual realm,

00:27:18.460 but I will give you a quick answer that we can,

00:27:21.400 a one word answer that will require a lot more diving into,

00:27:25.060 because as you said,

00:27:26.060 the mark of someone who's a good teacher,

00:27:28.580 is there,

00:27:29.140 you're able to simplify something complex.

00:27:32.060 What is this?

00:27:32.620 What,

00:27:32.800 if you were to ask me,

00:27:33.540 what is the definition of the spiritual realm?

00:27:35.760 It's consciousness.

00:27:37.360 That's what spirit is.

00:27:38.260 Spirit is consciousness.

00:27:40.560 What is God?

00:27:41.580 God is spirit.

00:27:42.140 What is spirit?

00:27:42.740 Your consciousness is your intelligence.

00:27:44.420 It's your,

00:27:45.020 it's all the,

00:27:45.640 the intangible things that make you who you are.

00:27:48.560 This body is not me,

00:27:50.160 who I am.

00:27:51.440 If,

00:27:51.680 if you just saw my picture,

00:27:53.560 that tells you nothing about me.

00:27:55.000 You want to know who I am?

00:27:55.920 You need to know my thoughts,

00:27:57.320 my memories,

00:27:58.000 my experiences,

00:27:58.740 my worldview,

00:27:59.480 my philosophies,

00:28:00.400 my personality.

00:28:01.540 That's the real me.

00:28:02.920 And that me is,

00:28:04.160 is way more important than what I physically look like.

00:28:06.680 That tells you nothing about me.

00:28:08.500 My consciousness is real.

00:28:10.100 My consciousness is eternal because it's outside of time.

00:28:13.280 That's why,

00:28:13.700 that's how God is eternal because God is not outside of time.

00:28:16.720 It comes to God.

00:28:17.160 Excuse me.

00:28:17.460 Cause God is outside of time.

00:28:19.620 That's what the spiritual realm is.

00:28:21.260 And it's also energy.

00:28:22.260 Our thoughts are electric.

00:28:24.120 So,

00:28:24.640 and that's what consciousness is.

00:28:25.920 Consciousness is that energy.

00:28:27.540 And that's what the spiritual realm is,

00:28:29.760 is what is what the ancients call the ether.

00:28:31.800 It's the same thing,

00:28:32.600 but I will get more into that.

00:28:34.180 But let me just wrap up the,

00:28:35.220 the issues that I have with his interpretation of Genesis six and the

00:28:39.580 motivation of the angels.

00:28:41.140 So the court,

00:28:43.660 what he said,

00:28:44.180 he said this,

00:28:44.720 he didn't just say this on this,

00:28:46.320 on your episode.

00:28:47.700 I've heard him say it before.

00:28:48.900 I think it was about a year ago on the Michael Knowles show.

00:28:51.860 I think it's on daily wire.

00:28:53.360 I forget where,

00:28:53.820 where,

00:28:53.960 where Knowles is,

00:28:54.660 but I know that Knowles is a Catholic.

00:28:56.060 Good.

00:28:56.300 I like him.

00:28:57.000 He's a very reasonable guy,

00:28:58.240 but in Catholicism,

00:28:59.740 he was interviewing Alvarino and Knowles is a Catholic and the,

00:29:04.180 in Catholics,

00:29:04.680 they don't really talk much about the Nephilim.

00:29:06.380 They aren't taught very much about it.

00:29:07.920 So when Alvarino was explaining to Knowles,

00:29:10.600 the whole aspect of angels procreating with women knows to his credit,

00:29:14.400 asked a lot of good questions.

00:29:15.620 And his main question was,

00:29:16.880 well,

00:29:17.080 why would they do this?

00:29:18.100 Cause you know,

00:29:18.600 in Catholicism,

00:29:19.320 angels are just these creatures that with big bird wings and fly around and

00:29:22.980 praise God and don't do anything else.

00:29:25.100 More or less.

00:29:25.740 I'm obviously being a little facetious there,

00:29:27.540 but so the idea of them procreating with women was completely left field.

00:29:32.700 And he,

00:29:33.320 he asked him why in Alvarino was said,

00:29:35.960 what here,

00:29:37.340 what he said to you guys,

00:29:38.440 it was,

00:29:38.800 it was lust.

00:29:40.060 They were just,

00:29:40.780 they were like a bunch of frat boys out for a good time.

00:29:42.880 They see the daughters of Adam and they're like,

00:29:45.440 Oh,

00:29:45.560 these chicks are hot.

00:29:46.840 Oh,

00:29:47.220 I'm getting an angelic erection.

00:29:48.580 I got to go down and hit that.

00:29:50.220 That's,

00:29:50.720 I mean,

00:29:51.100 essentially that's what he was saying that they were,

00:29:52.920 I'm using vernacular,

00:29:54.140 obviously,

00:29:54.400 but that's what he was saying.

00:29:55.740 So let's,

00:29:56.840 but that,

00:29:57.820 but that,

00:29:59.040 that's a huge problem with that.

00:30:01.480 Here's the problem with it.

00:30:02.880 We will all acknowledge,

00:30:03.900 including Tim,

00:30:04.520 because I've read his material.

00:30:05.660 We acknowledge that the angels,

00:30:07.280 the Elohim were created first.

00:30:08.540 Okay.

00:30:09.300 They were created before man.

00:30:10.340 So if angels have a drive for physical sex,

00:30:16.080 then that means that God must have created them with a sex drive.

00:30:21.620 God doesn't do some,

00:30:22.800 anything without a reason.

00:30:24.480 What would be the reason for God to give angels a sex drive?

00:30:28.400 Well,

00:30:29.120 let's look at the next set of create of things that God created intelligently human beings.

00:30:34.400 He gave us a sex drive.

00:30:36.320 Obviously.

00:30:37.880 Why?

00:30:38.800 There was a reason.

00:30:40.300 First thing God said to Adam and Eve,

00:30:42.080 be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.

00:30:43.780 He said,

00:30:44.660 go have sex,

00:30:45.800 make some babies and fill the earth,

00:30:48.100 replenish the earth.

00:30:49.140 So he gave them a,

00:30:50.300 and it makes sense.

00:30:50.840 He would give them a sex drive.

00:30:51.780 He would give them the drive to do his will and his will very clearly stated,

00:30:57.080 multiply,

00:30:58.140 fill the earth.

00:30:58.780 Here is a drive that will make that pleasurable for you and will bond you together.

00:31:02.120 And just,

00:31:03.000 he gave them a sex drive.

00:31:04.340 It makes sense.

00:31:06.520 So why,

00:31:08.120 what sense would it make to give an angel a sex drive?

00:31:12.500 If angels don't have sex with each other,

00:31:14.340 I mean,

00:31:14.560 no,

00:31:14.760 they don't because Jesus himself said the angels in heaven,

00:31:18.320 in this make-believe spiritual realm,

00:31:20.780 do not marry.

00:31:22.520 What is marriage?

00:31:23.720 Marriage is sex.

00:31:24.980 I know we've had that discussion before.

00:31:27.340 In the Bible,

00:31:28.140 there's only three kinds of sex,

00:31:29.360 marriage,

00:31:29.820 adultery,

00:31:30.280 fornication.

00:31:31.060 There is no such thing as sex before marriage.

00:31:33.120 Sex is marriage.

00:31:34.760 Sex confirms the marriage covenant.

00:31:36.660 If you don't break the covenant,

00:31:39.040 and you have sex with someone else while you're still in the marriage covenant,

00:31:41.620 that's adultery.

00:31:42.660 And fornication,

00:31:43.960 fornication in the Bible,

00:31:45.560 is always sex as part of spiritual,

00:31:48.320 intimacy with another entity.

00:31:51.280 If you look at fornication in the Bible,

00:31:53.140 the Israelites,

00:31:53.980 God would tell them,

00:31:54.900 you guys are committing fornication with the gods of the Amorites and the Hittites and all.

00:31:58.380 It wasn't because they were physically having,

00:32:00.600 yes,

00:32:01.040 there were sexual rights as part of that worship,

00:32:02.720 but they were giving,

00:32:03.520 they were being spiritually intimate with false gods.

00:32:07.940 Those are the three kinds of sex in the Bible.

00:32:09.400 So again,

00:32:09.920 marriage is sex.

00:32:10.800 Jesus saying the angels in heaven don't have sex.

00:32:14.340 If the angels in heaven don't have sex,

00:32:16.280 why would God give them a sex drive?

00:32:18.700 The only way they could set,

00:32:20.580 if they don't have sex with each other,

00:32:23.120 the only other entities they're having sex with are human beings.

00:32:25.700 And God clearly doesn't like that.

00:32:29.160 When you,

00:32:30.320 every angel who had sex with a human being in the Bible,

00:32:32.760 they are,

00:32:33.320 if you look at the book of Enoch,

00:32:35.240 which Albino quoted quite a bit,

00:32:37.320 they're locked up forever.

00:32:38.760 They doomed themselves.

00:32:40.620 So why would God give the angels a drive and a strong drive?

00:32:45.880 As we all know,

00:32:46.820 sex drive is very powerful.

00:32:48.400 And the only outlet for that drive is to,

00:32:51.920 is to be with someone in a way that God hates and will damn you.

00:32:56.780 Does that sound just?

00:32:58.740 No,

00:32:59.280 that will be unjust for God to give you a drive.

00:33:01.540 And the only way he could satisfy that drive is to do something.

00:33:04.020 He doesn't want you to do that will send you to internal damnation.

00:33:07.740 God is not unjust.

00:33:09.840 That's why that's bad doctrine because that bad doctrine drives away from God.

00:33:14.120 God is right to suggest.

00:33:15.420 If you believe he would give angels a sex drive,

00:33:17.900 it legitimately,

00:33:18.920 then that is unjust.

00:33:19.920 That's not God.

00:33:21.320 So that's the practical reason.

00:33:23.520 Now let's look at the biblical reason why this is incorrect.

00:33:26.060 Because again,

00:33:26.880 Albino said it was lust.

00:33:28.180 Let's look at what the actual verse says.

00:33:29.720 Genesis chapter six,

00:33:31.280 when man began to multiply upon the earth and women were born unto them,

00:33:35.080 the sons of God,

00:33:36.180 the Benah Elohim saw that the daughters of men,

00:33:38.880 Benoth Adam were your Bible may be,

00:33:41.940 maybe say fair or beautiful.

00:33:43.660 And they took of them wives of whoever they chose.

00:33:47.340 Let's go back to that word,

00:33:48.420 fair,

00:33:48.760 beautiful,

00:33:49.200 desirable.

00:33:49.580 That word is the,

00:33:51.960 in Hebrew is the word tov.

00:33:54.100 Tov does not mean physically attractive.

00:33:58.400 Tov means good,

00:34:00.240 but it means good to the point where of,

00:34:02.560 um,

00:34:02.980 it means acceptable.

00:34:04.020 It means meets the requirements.

00:34:07.560 Think about when you were taking your driving test,

00:34:09.760 you pass the test,

00:34:11.000 you told,

00:34:11.600 you met the requirements.

00:34:13.420 So it should be properly translated.

00:34:15.720 The sons of God,

00:34:16.920 the angels saw that the women of earth were,

00:34:20.580 they were acceptable.

00:34:22.320 They met the requirements.

00:34:25.040 Didn't say lust.

00:34:25.740 There's a different word for lust.

00:34:27.000 The word love is hakov.

00:34:29.800 If you look up lust,

00:34:30.900 that's what that different word.

00:34:32.200 It does not mean physical lust.

00:34:34.300 They had,

00:34:35.100 yes,

00:34:35.460 go ahead.

00:34:36.120 Sorry to interrupt.

00:34:37.260 Yeah.

00:34:37.500 There was a,

00:34:38.000 maybe a month ago.

00:34:38.900 I got into like a,

00:34:39.960 an argument with,

00:34:41.200 with Matt about angels.

00:34:43.100 You remember this?

00:34:43.920 I remember that.

00:34:44.480 Yeah.

00:34:44.660 It was like angels ain't shit.

00:34:45.560 This is,

00:34:45.780 this is the argument just to,

00:34:47.220 just to like harass Matt.

00:34:48.660 But the reason I was saying,

00:34:49.980 like we were reading the story of Elijah and Elijah's on the mountain or in the cave and an angel comes and makes him breakfast and he rolls over and he's like,

00:34:58.160 thanks for the breakfast.

00:34:59.360 And he was like,

00:35:00.200 yo,

00:35:00.340 get up.

00:35:00.680 And he's like,

00:35:01.120 you know,

00:35:02.760 and it's like,

00:35:03.180 Hey,

00:35:03.280 that's an angel there.

00:35:04.260 Like,

00:35:04.560 wouldn't he be more surprised?

00:35:06.440 Yeah.

00:35:06.980 Like they typically have to be like,

00:35:08.240 fear not.

00:35:09.000 Yeah.

00:35:09.300 And Elijah's not even,

00:35:10.340 he doesn't seem bothered.

00:35:11.000 And Matt was like,

00:35:12.120 no,

00:35:12.280 no,

00:35:12.440 Elijah was just that in tune with the spiritual realm.

00:35:14.740 And I,

00:35:15.120 I agree with that.

00:35:16.320 But I also think that maybe Elijah,

00:35:18.540 understood intimately what an angel was.

00:35:21.260 So like,

00:35:21.840 as you're describing this sexual drive,

00:35:24.920 an angel,

00:35:25.960 they have their motives,

00:35:27.840 but he's looking at it.

00:35:30.040 They are looking at this sexual drive as just pure utility,

00:35:33.600 you know,

00:35:34.720 rather than human,

00:35:36.900 any kind of emotion that goes with it,

00:35:39.240 or even like the luxury of,

00:35:41.240 you know,

00:35:41.900 the feeling of an orgasm.

00:35:43.140 It's like,

00:35:43.320 it's not about that.

00:35:44.040 It's just straight utility.

00:35:45.980 And that's kind of what I was,

00:35:47.000 I was trying to express to Matt.

00:35:48.980 I was like,

00:35:49.460 that's probably why when he looked at him,

00:35:51.380 he's like,

00:35:51.620 yeah,

00:35:51.720 just make me breakfast.

00:35:52.980 You know,

00:35:53.160 it's like,

00:35:54.020 cause like,

00:35:54.640 and they are amazing and they are powerful,

00:35:57.620 but it's just kind of like,

00:35:58.940 I know what you do.

00:36:00.240 You know what they,

00:36:00.700 you,

00:36:00.920 you deliver messages.

00:36:02.340 Yeah.

00:36:02.520 You do war.

00:36:03.960 You're a ministering spirit.

00:36:05.640 Yeah.

00:36:05.760 Yeah.

00:36:05.980 You just watch like,

00:36:08.300 and it's messed up to talk to him like that.

00:36:10.020 Cause they'll slay you.

00:36:11.320 And we,

00:36:11.920 and I got to have some respect for him,

00:36:13.260 but I'm like,

00:36:13.620 in,

00:36:13.900 in a sense,

00:36:14.460 this is what they do.

00:36:15.460 They're just like,

00:36:16.660 well,

00:36:16.820 maybe it's not dismissive.

00:36:17.880 Maybe that's how you're supposed to treat them.

00:36:19.420 Cause the worst thing is when you don't believe them and then you see them and then you're blown away by them.

00:36:23.420 And then this leads to like some sort of worship because you're in awe.

00:36:26.700 But if Elijah knows these things exist,

00:36:28.840 he believes in God.

00:36:29.680 He has a personal relationship with God.

00:36:31.340 He knows the nature of this thing.

00:36:33.140 You're not supposed to glaze it.

00:36:34.740 Don't glaze.

00:36:35.420 Don't glaze it.

00:36:36.220 Just like,

00:36:36.760 no,

00:36:36.840 you're not,

00:36:37.080 you're not worship.

00:36:38.220 When you look at revelation,

00:36:39.200 when,

00:36:39.600 you know,

00:36:39.980 John,

00:36:40.400 when,

00:36:40.600 when this angel was showing John,

00:36:41.880 the new Jerusalem and John was also overwhelmed,

00:36:43.700 he went and worshiped the angel and the angel said,

00:36:45.720 don't do it.

00:36:46.220 And if you look at what those words mean in the,

00:36:47.980 in,

00:36:48.240 in the,

00:36:48.560 in the Greek,

00:36:49.280 he's like,

00:36:49.680 no,

00:36:50.080 he was like,

00:36:50.580 I don't,

00:36:51.700 we get in trouble when we get worshiped.

00:36:53.500 Stop it.

00:36:54.760 It was like,

00:36:55.560 remember,

00:36:55.960 he's saying,

00:36:56.500 cut it out.

00:36:56.960 What an incredible title.

00:36:58.700 It's like,

00:36:59.080 where you're talking about worship and like,

00:37:01.760 is this heroin to,

00:37:03.060 to angel?

00:37:04.640 And actually,

00:37:05.380 I'm going to tap you soon because I'm doing a worship,

00:37:09.720 a whole thing on worship and what it is,

00:37:13.060 a presentation and I'm fleshing it out.

00:37:15.260 But some of your explanations,

00:37:16.980 I'd like to have the sound bites.

00:37:18.520 Yeah.

00:37:18.620 Yeah.

00:37:19.120 Happy to.

00:37:20.120 That is an interesting idea that that's why Elijah behaved that way.

00:37:23.440 Cause it's like,

00:37:24.340 okay,

00:37:24.600 if you're not supposed to glaze them and if they're,

00:37:26.400 that was like,

00:37:26.960 worship is not what they need or else they're going to fall.

00:37:30.000 Then how are you supposed to react to them?

00:37:31.620 Just,

00:37:31.960 just like they're there.

00:37:32.600 Like they're doing their job.

00:37:33.600 They're a messenger.

00:37:34.240 You're here.

00:37:34.660 You're doing your thing.

00:37:35.900 Thanks a lot.

00:37:36.520 But I'm going back to sleep.

00:37:37.520 I need about 15 more minutes.

00:37:39.340 Yeah.

00:37:39.780 All right.

00:37:40.180 See you in a minute.

00:37:42.100 So,

00:37:42.660 so these,

00:37:43.840 these elements,

00:37:44.800 they saw that the women were,

00:37:46.180 they were acceptable.

00:37:48.760 They,

00:37:49.240 they met the requirement requirement for what?

00:37:51.200 So what did they do next?

00:37:52.100 They took them as wives.

00:37:53.860 Notice what they,

00:37:54.460 they married them.

00:37:56.400 Yeah.

00:37:57.020 They entered into a legal marriage covenant because if they were just there for a good

00:38:01.280 time,

00:38:01.500 just to get their rocks off,

00:38:02.500 the Bible would have said,

00:38:03.220 well,

00:38:03.400 then they fornicated with any women.

00:38:04.820 Cause that's,

00:38:05.200 that would have been fornication sex spiritually.

00:38:08.080 It didn't say that they married them.

00:38:09.100 And we know that from,

00:38:10.380 again,

00:38:10.540 from the book of Enoch,

00:38:11.320 because in that culture,

00:38:13.000 we've,

00:38:13.260 I'm sure we've talked about this before part is part of the marriage culture.

00:38:16.260 The first thing you do,

00:38:16.980 you would ask the father of the bride to be for permission.

00:38:19.460 If he gave permission,

00:38:20.460 then you would give him in the family and the wife to be gifts,

00:38:24.800 which,

00:38:24.920 yeah,

00:38:25.400 that's how they did it.

00:38:28.020 So they entered into a legal marriage.

00:38:30.280 Why?

00:38:31.000 Because they were using God's laws against him.

00:38:34.420 God's law of marriage of that bond.

00:38:36.020 Cause they wanted to have legal progeny.

00:38:38.260 They,

00:38:38.900 they weren't there because they just wanted to get off.

00:38:41.120 They were there because they wanted the Nephilim.

00:38:43.520 They wanted their own kids.

00:38:45.040 Why God's law.

00:38:46.540 Again,

00:38:47.680 remember the earth was the purview of Adam and Eve.

00:38:50.620 God said,

00:38:51.180 the earth is yours.

00:38:52.740 The angels want the earth back.

00:38:53.860 They used to have it before the original fall,

00:38:55.360 which is serious to get into that.

00:38:58.520 But the bottom line is these angels wanted the earth back.

00:39:02.240 Jehovah's law said that the earth is now under the authority of Adam and Eve of human beings.

00:39:07.460 What are human beings?

00:39:08.260 We're spiritual,

00:39:08.980 physical hybrids.

00:39:09.980 God formed Adam from the dust of the earth and then breathed a spirit,

00:39:13.700 the huac into him.

00:39:15.680 So that means that the earth can be claimed legally by a creature that is part physical,

00:39:20.520 part spiritual.

00:39:21.480 The angels,

00:39:22.200 again,

00:39:22.560 11 dimensions.

00:39:23.400 They can see way more than we could.

00:39:25.080 They saw the woman and said,

00:39:26.060 you know what?

00:39:27.200 We can impregnate them.

00:39:28.640 We can make our own physical,

00:39:30.380 spiritual hybrids.

00:39:31.860 They will be answerable to us if we get rid of the rest of humanity.

00:39:35.140 And under God's law,

00:39:36.060 we could have proxy control of the earth through them.

00:39:39.140 That's what they wanted to do.

00:39:40.540 It wasn't about getting booty.

00:39:41.900 It was about getting the earth back,

00:39:43.920 which Alvaro actually said.

00:39:45.000 He believed like some kind of like earth conquest.

00:39:46.780 I forgot the terminology he used,

00:39:48.780 but it is a battle for the earth.

00:39:50.840 And that's what they wanted.

00:39:52.420 A lot of the strangeness is like,

00:39:54.680 he still acknowledges much of the overlap,

00:39:57.200 but he doesn't see it as overlap.

00:39:58.960 It's like he is unironically describing correlation without drawing the

00:40:08.900 correlation actively as he's saying it.

00:40:11.120 So yeah,

00:40:11.420 it's like he's talking about earth conquest,

00:40:14.580 you know,

00:40:14.880 or,

00:40:15.240 or,

00:40:15.880 you know,

00:40:16.120 let's say the hybridization program,

00:40:18.240 which I know the alien thing is,

00:40:20.780 isn't completely your wheelhouse,

00:40:22.080 but we go pretty deep into that and be between like,

00:40:26.360 let's say that earth conquest.

00:40:27.680 Okay.

00:40:28.140 So maybe like the birthright,

00:40:29.380 like the inheritance of the earth.

00:40:30.480 That's interesting.

00:40:31.820 And then the hybridization program where they're seeing,

00:40:34.420 they're,

00:40:34.560 they're trying still to bridge this gap between us and them,

00:40:38.640 maybe for that inheritance purpose,

00:40:40.660 like you just laid out,

00:40:42.460 it mirrors exactly what was happening with the fallen angels.

00:40:45.560 So,

00:40:45.660 so that's another,

00:40:46.420 you know,

00:40:47.660 coincidence in the grand scheme of things,

00:40:50.740 coincidence is,

00:40:52.540 is even a fair thing to,

00:40:54.340 to,

00:40:54.780 to use that word.

00:40:55.780 Isn't a fair thing to use because we're describing something rather

00:40:58.060 unbelievable.

00:40:59.120 Yeah.

00:40:59.620 You know what I mean?

00:41:00.080 A hybridization program between us and something that is non-human is

00:41:04.300 appearing once again.

00:41:05.080 Okay.

00:41:05.400 All right.

00:41:05.680 So,

00:41:05.920 so there's another correlation.

00:41:08.220 And then of course,

00:41:09.760 the,

00:41:10.340 the,

00:41:10.780 the massive overlap between all of the patterns and elements of a

00:41:14.320 demonic interaction or encounter versus all of the pattern and

00:41:19.940 overlap of a abduction experience.

00:41:22.620 It's almost a one-to-one,

00:41:24.180 the sleep paralysis,

00:41:25.780 the shadows,

00:41:26.780 the feeling of mortal doom,

00:41:28.340 all of these things,

00:41:29.280 they pile up on top of each other.

00:41:31.380 And you've got a series of coincidences that like,

00:41:34.400 it would be,

00:41:35.200 it would be almost fraudulent to have a conversation and not seriously

00:41:39.840 entertain that this is the same phenomenon,

00:41:42.280 especially given,

00:41:43.860 you know,

00:41:44.740 contrary to his points,

00:41:45.740 it's not settled.

00:41:47.560 The facts aren't unanimously agreed upon by the experts.

00:41:51.160 This is a field of study that we're only just now being allowed to

00:41:55.380 have in any serious way.

00:41:57.100 And so all things are on the table and those are pretty unbelievable

00:42:02.020 coincidences.

00:42:03.280 Needless to say,

00:42:03.980 Ed,

00:42:04.120 you weren't getting on blurry creatures.

00:42:06.080 It's not happening.

00:42:06.720 I'm sorry.

00:42:07.480 Whether you talk to us or not.

00:42:08.860 I'm sorry.

00:42:09.340 It's just,

00:42:10.000 once again,

00:42:10.920 your worldview,

00:42:11.800 I just thought there L for associating with us.

00:42:14.700 So sorry.

00:42:16.880 Well,

00:42:17.340 there are more W's and L's guys.

00:42:19.360 Technically your worldview.

00:42:21.760 Well,

00:42:22.020 I did find it really quick,

00:42:23.000 a little among,

00:42:24.860 I found a lot of things he was saying a little surprising,

00:42:26.840 but one of the things I really found surprising was that he did not

00:42:29.060 latch on to what you were saying,

00:42:30.240 Raven,

00:42:30.460 which is,

00:42:30.780 Hey,

00:42:31.020 this looks like a repeat in of what was going on in Genesis six.

00:42:34.940 I mean,

00:42:35.360 they're taking,

00:42:36.340 he said,

00:42:36.960 they're taking the eggs from women.

00:42:38.440 They're taking the semen from men.

00:42:39.860 And they're,

00:42:41.540 they're doing stuff.

00:42:42.600 So how is this any different?

00:42:44.280 Maybe it's mechanically different than what happened in Genesis chapter six,

00:42:47.780 but functionally,

00:42:49.500 isn't this kind of the same?

00:42:50.720 How the fact that he didn't seem to just latch onto that was,

00:42:54.900 was a little surprising.

00:42:56.100 Well,

00:42:56.260 well,

00:42:56.420 not just that.

00:42:57.020 It's not the fact that he didn't latch onto Raven's talking points or

00:43:00.140 tops talking points.

00:43:01.660 He's friends with LA Marzulli.

00:43:03.280 You made,

00:43:03.580 I mean,

00:43:03.700 there's a DVD right there of yours with LA Marzulli in it.

00:43:06.680 So,

00:43:07.160 you know,

00:43:07.500 this guy,

00:43:08.140 that's his talking point.

00:43:09.220 And you know,

00:43:09.560 this,

00:43:09.720 this theory we're only quoting like,

00:43:11.460 you know,

00:43:11.880 quail I'm quoting Missler.

00:43:13.920 Yeah.

00:43:14.100 We're standing on the shoulders of giants that came before us,

00:43:16.680 reiterating their,

00:43:17.640 their,

00:43:18.240 I'm quoting Ed.

00:43:19.140 You're not necessarily disagreeing with me.

00:43:21.120 You're disagreeing with the people who have done the research that I've read.

00:43:24.700 And also the Bible,

00:43:25.820 like that was,

00:43:26.600 that was like a big stopping point where that first 45 minutes,

00:43:29.240 we didn't get anywhere.

00:43:29.780 Cause I was like,

00:43:30.220 wait,

00:43:30.380 wait,

00:43:30.520 wait,

00:43:30.660 wait,

00:43:30.780 wait.

00:43:31.300 You're just like,

00:43:31.960 now this is now you're just disagreeing straight with the Bible.

00:43:34.700 And I'm like,

00:43:35.240 this is a huge problem.

00:43:36.360 So I don't know.

00:43:37.400 And you guys know that I'm a,

00:43:38.680 I'm a,

00:43:39.100 I'm a big proponent of Michael Heiser.

00:43:40.800 He's one of my mentors,

00:43:41.580 but he's not the end all be all.

00:43:42.740 There's some things I disagree with Heiser on,

00:43:44.500 but I mean,

00:43:45.100 the guy who was a pretty serious scholar,

00:43:47.220 I mean,

00:43:47.580 you know,

00:43:47.900 multiple degrees,

00:43:49.020 PhDs.

00:43:49.580 I think he knew what he was talking about when he,

00:43:51.340 when it comes to Semitic languages.

00:43:53.100 And if this guy said that there's biblical evidence,

00:43:55.800 that there's a spiritual realm,

00:43:56.820 I think it's really dismissing that out of hand.

00:44:00.220 That take,

00:44:00.880 that takes a lot of cojones for someone who is not similarly educated.

00:44:05.140 I mean,

00:44:05.340 I don't know what things,

00:44:06.240 I mean,

00:44:06.420 Tim,

00:44:06.840 I mean,

00:44:07.060 he's a smart guy,

00:44:07.960 but you know,

00:44:08.840 Heiser was next level.

00:44:10.400 Yeah.

00:44:10.780 There was,

00:44:11.280 there were a lot of things in that conversation that we simply could not address because,

00:44:15.600 um,

00:44:16.600 especially Matt and top gave me a lot of space for this one thing that I really wanted to drive home.

00:44:21.600 And,

00:44:22.040 and he made so many points that if we started to address everything,

00:44:25.620 we simply would have never gotten anywhere.

00:44:27.540 A lot of the things that he was asking about,

00:44:29.820 you know,

00:44:30.020 what he defined a spiritual realm.

00:44:32.120 That's an entire episode.

00:44:33.120 And I took the bait on that because I just felt like that was just too.

00:44:36.180 All of,

00:44:36.540 all of these things that were almost in my opinion,

00:44:39.680 you know,

00:44:40.120 created as bait.

00:44:41.720 Um,

00:44:42.160 but the one thing that we didn't get to,

00:44:44.380 or one of many things we didn't get to was this idea of the name of Jesus,

00:44:47.680 this stopping alien abductions to which I know Alvarino says,

00:44:50.920 but not all the time now.

00:44:52.300 And he's right.

00:44:52.880 Well,

00:44:53.100 before we even go on to the,

00:44:54.560 he's right.

00:44:54.940 And,

00:44:55.240 and I know where,

00:44:56.260 uh,

00:44:56.720 Ed's head's going already.

00:44:57.680 I heard him say it on Merkle.

00:44:58.660 And it's something that I've been talking about,

00:45:00.080 um,

00:45:00.900 that,

00:45:01.420 that I learned from Ed,

00:45:02.500 um,

00:45:03.580 was that,

00:45:04.480 you know,

00:45:05.320 first off,

00:45:05.860 you need to stop and say,

00:45:07.060 why does it work at all?

00:45:09.600 If I'm getting attacked by a tiger,

00:45:11.500 the name of Jesus not working is not a surprise.

00:45:15.440 And I don't know how many times the name of Jesus,

00:45:17.580 this has worked in a tiger attack,

00:45:19.060 but I can tell you that it is a consistent theme.

00:45:22.680 What would not always landing,

00:45:24.340 but it is still a consistent theme with an alien abduction experiences for the

00:45:28.020 entire thing to cease when calling out in the name of Jesus Christ.

00:45:31.800 So the,

00:45:32.480 the,

00:45:32.720 the fact that that happens at all immediately allows you to put aliens,

00:45:39.420 at least speculatively into the camp of demons,

00:45:42.520 into the camp of demons.

00:45:43.960 We can,

00:45:44.280 we can now seriously entertain that.

00:45:46.400 And I know that.

00:45:47.460 No,

00:45:47.740 you're retarded.

00:45:48.520 Well,

00:45:48.720 I know I'm retarded,

00:45:49.380 but I also know that within the Bible,

00:45:51.740 the two instances,

00:45:52.680 um,

00:45:53.300 that I think are really eyeopening when it comes to,

00:45:55.880 you know,

00:45:56.680 not always being able to,

00:45:57.820 to stop a demonic encounter or something like that.

00:46:00.020 In the name of Jesus is the seven sons of Sceva,

00:46:02.520 not being able to get it done.

00:46:03.820 Um,

00:46:04.460 and then of course,

00:46:05.280 Jesus himself saying some of these,

00:46:07.200 uh,

00:46:07.740 can't be casted out.

00:46:08.900 They need to come out through prayer and fasting.

00:46:11.040 And so obviously we've got,

00:46:13.320 now I had somebody recently tell me that that was added 2000 years after the

00:46:16.500 fact,

00:46:17.260 whatever the case may be,

00:46:18.340 it doesn't matter that alone,

00:46:20.900 that alone,

00:46:21.540 the fact that they ever stop.

00:46:23.280 And it's not just like every once in a while,

00:46:25.300 it's like some people,

00:46:26.340 um,

00:46:27.240 are doing this within the body of abductee testimony.

00:46:30.920 This is coming up more than half of the time,

00:46:33.460 more than half of the attempts to stop this in the name of Christ are

00:46:36.800 successful.

00:46:39.040 Full stop.

00:46:40.320 We need to address that because that allows you to then put demons into the

00:46:45.160 same camp as aliens and look at them as the same thing until proven

00:46:48.240 otherwise.

00:46:49.180 Well,

00:46:49.620 yeah,

00:46:49.860 you guys know the whole alien thing is not necessarily my lane.

00:46:52.980 I mean,

00:46:53.100 if you want to know my quick thoughts on it,

00:46:55.100 I will say that I don't believe that these things,

00:46:57.740 whatever they are,

00:46:58.240 are from another planet,

00:46:59.580 millions of light years away.

00:47:00.920 I don't believe there's biological life elsewhere in the universe for one

00:47:04.120 reason,

00:47:04.360 because there's no evidence for it.

00:47:05.560 People say,

00:47:05.860 well,

00:47:05.980 couldn't God have done that?

00:47:07.060 Yeah,

00:47:07.340 we can't,

00:47:08.200 we can't work on what God could have done.

00:47:09.640 We only know what he's told us.

00:47:11.220 And if there's life elsewhere in the universe that God created,

00:47:14.720 then my first question is,

00:47:15.780 are they sinless?

00:47:17.280 If they sin,

00:47:17.980 then did Jesus die for them?

00:47:19.220 That was an interesting question,

00:47:20.200 but I don't,

00:47:21.380 but biologically evolution doesn't explain how life came here,

00:47:25.320 let alone some other planet,

00:47:27.480 some were out there because you have the anthropic principle that there are

00:47:30.820 like over 130 ways that the earth is uniquely fine tuned for humanity.

00:47:35.700 And that thing,

00:47:36.380 if things were often the slightest life would be impossible.

00:47:38.840 If the earth was a little closer or further from the sun,

00:47:41.100 it would be impossible.

00:47:41.780 It'd be too hot or too cold.

00:47:43.600 If,

00:47:44.040 if,

00:47:44.380 you know,

00:47:44.480 if the moon was a little further,

00:47:45.760 a little closer,

00:47:47.060 there would be either not enough tidal activity to cleanse the,

00:47:50.200 the earth,

00:47:50.820 the earth and the waters,

00:47:51.820 there would be too much tidal activity.

00:47:53.740 There was a little bit more.

00:47:54.540 It also wouldn't be the same exact scale when you have a eclipse.

00:47:58.420 Like that's an unbelievable coincidence that they have to be totally different size,

00:48:02.880 but perfectly scaled to each other.

00:48:05.160 If there was a little bit more or less oxygen in the atmosphere,

00:48:07.700 if there's more oxygen,

00:48:09.080 there'll be instant fires will be spontaneously bursting.

00:48:11.340 If there was not enough oxygen,

00:48:12.540 there wouldn't be enough to make the ozone effect,

00:48:14.880 which would ultraviolet radiation.

00:48:16.300 Again,

00:48:16.680 you can go on and off forever.

00:48:17.660 The point is when there's someone says,

00:48:19.000 when you see,

00:48:19.480 you hear on the news,

00:48:20.020 Oh,

00:48:20.480 scientists have to have discovered an earth like planet.

00:48:22.720 That's roughly the size of earth with a son.

00:48:24.920 That's roughly the size of our son.

00:48:26.380 That's roughly,

00:48:27.240 roughly doesn't work.

00:48:28.360 It has to be exact so much so that scientists have,

00:48:31.620 I think a Hugh Ross who's a scientist,

00:48:33.600 he's,

00:48:33.880 he's done a,

00:48:34.900 he did the odds of all those things.

00:48:37.000 Not at all.

00:48:37.840 I think like only like a third,

00:48:39.440 two thirds of them of the anthropic principle happening by random chance.

00:48:42.720 It was a chance in less than one in 10 to the minus one 22.

00:48:47.080 That that's a one followed by 122 zeros.

00:48:51.240 And scientifically speaking,

00:48:52.440 anything that has less than a chance of one in 10 to the minus 50th,

00:48:55.900 meaning a one followed by 50 zeros is considered scientifically impossible.

00:48:59.460 So,

00:48:59.820 so that said,

00:49:01.680 why,

00:49:03.200 if these things are not demonic and by demonic,

00:49:06.300 I'll,

00:49:06.460 I'll define it for Tim.

00:49:07.900 If he's listening,

00:49:08.360 which he probably is.

00:49:09.080 What,

00:49:09.240 what is it?

00:49:09.960 What does that mean?

00:49:10.600 What is a demon?

00:49:11.840 A demon being that they are spiritual entities.

00:49:14.640 They are either Elohim themselves,

00:49:16.120 or they are the offspring.

00:49:17.080 The Nephilim,

00:49:18.740 because Nephilim occurred after Genesis chapter six.

00:49:22.240 It says that the Nephilim were on the earth in those days.

00:49:24.500 And also after that.

00:49:25.480 So they're,

00:49:26.340 so they're probably Nephilim.

00:49:27.760 And if they weren't,

00:49:28.680 then why would,

00:49:29.560 if you're an alien from the planet Z912,

00:49:31.680 why the hell do you care about Jesus?

00:49:34.040 Why would Jesus's name do anything to you?

00:49:36.000 You just,

00:49:36.400 at the point you just made,

00:49:37.280 Raven,

00:49:37.420 it doesn't make any sense.

00:49:38.500 Also,

00:49:38.860 I want to just congratulate you because that might've been the fastest defining of,

00:49:42.760 of demon.

00:49:43.720 It was a relief.

00:49:44.920 I mean,

00:49:45.120 I thought you were going to go on for at least 48 more minutes on what a demon,

00:49:49.180 that's crazy.

00:49:49.820 I didn't know it was possible to define.

00:49:51.620 I felt like a,

00:49:52.260 like a battered wife.

00:49:53.240 Like once he started on,

00:49:54.160 I was like,

00:49:54.560 Oh,

00:49:54.720 here it comes.

00:49:55.260 But then he finished concisely.

00:49:57.680 And I understood it.

00:49:58.500 Uh,

00:49:58.680 yeah,

00:49:58.960 I,

00:49:59.300 I think that that,

00:50:00.640 that alone,

00:50:01.400 that alone,

00:50:02.000 if that was the only correlation between aliens and,

00:50:06.140 and demonic entities or things that are in the opposition of,

00:50:08.880 of God,

00:50:09.520 if that alone was the only thing,

00:50:11.700 it would be worth keeping them in the same lens until proven otherwise.

00:50:17.760 But it just mounts,

00:50:19.260 it builds and it builds and it builds.

00:50:20.900 And,

00:50:21.340 you know,

00:50:21.480 we've talked to,

00:50:22.320 um,

00:50:23.400 more than a few people who have had supernatural experiences of,

00:50:26.700 you know,

00:50:26.940 you might call it just the,

00:50:27.800 the NHI variety,

00:50:29.120 right?

00:50:29.320 Non-human intelligence,

00:50:30.160 which we're always rebranding these things.

00:50:32.400 Um,

00:50:33.220 and the,

00:50:34.340 the,

00:50:34.760 the similarities between just demonic encounters and encounters with virtually

00:50:40.120 anything else that you might even toss in the alien camp are,

00:50:43.740 are tremendous.

00:50:44.620 They're absolutely tremendous.

00:50:45.540 So I don't know how,

00:50:48.320 you know,

00:50:48.840 my,

00:50:49.060 my main issue is just,

00:50:50.360 um,

00:50:51.160 I don't have an,

00:50:52.380 in,

00:50:52.840 I don't have so much of an issue with the difference in theology.

00:50:55.220 If we can agree that Jesus Christ is the son of God come to die for our

00:50:59.840 sins and give us a path to redemption,

00:51:01.500 you know,

00:51:02.500 that's great.

00:51:03.880 The other stuff we can talk about,

00:51:05.800 but it's when you start speaking definitively,

00:51:08.640 um,

00:51:09.820 and you start to say things like,

00:51:12.660 you know,

00:51:12.840 that are reminiscent of,

00:51:13.720 of,

00:51:13.980 of the science is settled.

00:51:15.540 Trust the experts.

00:51:17.360 It's very,

00:51:18.160 very strange language to use around this phenomenon.

00:51:21.160 And,

00:51:21.600 and,

00:51:22.320 um,

00:51:22.760 and as you said,

00:51:23.480 you know,

00:51:23.640 there are so many people we,

00:51:24.940 we named a few of them,

00:51:26.100 whether it's,

00:51:27.240 um,

00:51:27.980 LA Marzulli or it's Heiser,

00:51:29.900 um,

00:51:30.680 Gary Wayne,

00:51:31.560 you know,

00:51:31.980 there are people that are very serious,

00:51:34.780 very serious.

00:51:35.580 And you could have disagreements on,

00:51:37.020 on,

00:51:37.620 you know,

00:51:37.820 various details.

00:51:38.800 That's fine.

00:51:39.280 But you cannot say that they're not serious researchers who have

00:51:42.760 dedicated,

00:51:43.220 you know,

00:51:44.020 giant swaths of their life to this very same topic.

00:51:47.040 Can,

00:51:47.200 can I just say,

00:51:47.820 I want to move the conversation a little bit because he brought up

00:51:50.640 something that I want to dismiss right away because it,

00:51:53.980 it comes from the,

00:51:55.080 the Cob,

00:51:55.600 the Kabbalistic teachings of a rabbi,

00:51:57.880 which I don't necessarily,

00:51:59.220 I don't agree with at all,

00:52:00.200 but Judges 5 23,

00:52:02.760 I'll pull up the scripture here so you can check it out.

00:52:06.060 Uh,

00:52:06.540 curse ye mirror said the angel of the Lord curse,

00:52:09.560 you bitterly the inhabitant,

00:52:11.100 the inhabitants thereof,

00:52:12.160 because they came not to help the Lord to help the Lord against the

00:52:15.560 mighty.

00:52:16.220 And he's saying that mirrors is another planet.

00:52:19.740 Well,

00:52:20.620 this is what Albarino is saying.

00:52:21.820 And this is what this rabbi is saying.

00:52:23.640 According to this,

00:52:24.200 I asked him if,

00:52:25.220 um,

00:52:25.460 if there were any neutral aliens,

00:52:27.740 we know that there are some that are in opposition to the kingdom of

00:52:29.900 God,

00:52:30.140 some that are in alignment.

00:52:31.300 Is there any neutral ones?

00:52:32.540 And that was kind of a trick question.

00:52:33.720 And,

00:52:34.160 uh,

00:52:34.340 and I think he stepped in it.

00:52:35.560 This is the scripture that he brought up and he says,

00:52:37.980 well,

00:52:38.080 these are aliens from the planet mirrors and they happen to be neutral.

00:52:42.000 But then it also says here within the scripture that they are cursed.

00:52:44.540 So therefore you can't be neutral.

00:52:46.700 What,

00:52:46.980 what do you think about this scripture at all?

00:52:48.620 Like is what is me Ross?

00:52:51.420 I'm going to be honest with you.

00:52:52.300 I,

00:52:52.580 I don't know.

00:52:53.180 I can,

00:52:53.540 I can,

00:52:54.060 um,

00:52:54.360 do some research and get back to you because that's,

00:52:56.720 um,

00:52:57.640 my understanding.

00:52:58.780 Cause I have kind of read judges in a while,

00:53:00.740 um,

00:53:01.480 cover to cover.

00:53:03.300 But,

00:53:03.660 um,

00:53:04.340 my understanding is that they were,

00:53:05.640 they were one of the,

00:53:07.120 a tribe of people.

00:53:09.480 You know,

00:53:09.960 what's interesting.

00:53:10.380 I could be wrong on that.

00:53:11.180 So don't quote me.

00:53:12.480 Look,

00:53:12.900 this is,

00:53:13.380 this is,

00:53:13.980 this is a novel moment,

00:53:15.300 guys.

00:53:16.360 We,

00:53:16.740 this is something I gave you.

00:53:18.880 Flowers for,

00:53:19.580 you know,

00:53:19.760 you weren't here.

00:53:20.320 We were talking about you on,

00:53:21.660 on a previous episode.

00:53:22.720 And I said,

00:53:23.200 Ed,

00:53:24.260 in contrast,

00:53:25.740 you know,

00:53:26.020 specifically to Tim is the kind of guy where if you pose something to him

00:53:29.960 and he's unfamiliar with it,

00:53:31.600 he will say,

00:53:32.880 guys,

00:53:33.160 listen,

00:53:33.420 is this for the audience who's listening,

00:53:35.080 especially the Patriot.

00:53:35.880 Play that back.

00:53:36.900 Seriously.

00:53:37.620 I said this just the other day.

00:53:39.040 Ed will say,

00:53:39.980 actually,

00:53:40.880 I'm not sure.

00:53:42.160 I will research that and get back to you.

00:53:44.640 And then what I said is the next time we have Ed on in the pre-show,

00:53:48.920 he will say,

00:53:49.860 Hey guys,

00:53:50.440 remember that thing you said?

00:53:51.460 I researched it.

00:53:52.960 And that's actually really fascinating.

00:53:55.060 And unlike Tim,

00:53:56.660 where if you say something,

00:53:57.740 he goes,

00:53:58.260 no,

00:53:58.780 not true.

00:53:59.760 Not true.

00:54:00.340 Never heard of it.

00:54:00.900 Not true.

00:54:01.700 The science is settled.

00:54:02.780 I disagree.

00:54:03.880 Guys.

00:54:04.400 I can't like,

00:54:05.280 this is,

00:54:05.820 I did not expect this moment to happen on this show.

00:54:08.420 I said this two episodes ago,

00:54:11.280 Ed,

00:54:11.480 that you are the type of guy,

00:54:13.360 despite all of your body of research,

00:54:15.620 you'll come on this show.

00:54:16.880 You'll have thoughtful conversations with us.

00:54:18.580 You explain things in a way that we can understand.

00:54:20.780 And if we should happen to bring something to your attention that you're not familiar with,

00:54:24.320 you will say,

00:54:24.940 I don't know.

00:54:25.960 I will research it and get back to you.

00:54:28.100 Unbelievable.

00:54:29.040 Unbelievable.

00:54:29.480 If nothing else,

00:54:30.940 Ed Mabry is,

00:54:31.660 is consistent.

00:54:33.160 I,

00:54:33.500 that is,

00:54:34.020 then once again,

00:54:35.460 I think that's the mark of somebody who's not threatened.

00:54:38.620 Your worldview is not threatened by information that comes in that you're unaware of.

00:54:43.460 It's just a simple matter of,

00:54:45.700 well,

00:54:45.820 I'll get back to you on that.

00:54:46.860 I'll look into that.

00:54:47.820 I'm one man.

00:54:48.500 How could I possibly know all these things?

00:54:49.980 But some people,

00:54:51.140 you talk to them and there is no room in their game for not knowing a thing.

00:54:55.400 And if a thing comes across their table that they don't know,

00:54:57.740 and it doesn't fit into their narrative,

00:54:59.700 they're going to dismiss it.

00:55:00.880 And that's the name.

00:55:01.840 That's the end of the game.

00:55:02.580 It's just extremely crazy because yeah,

00:55:04.300 as,

00:55:04.720 as I look it up,

00:55:05.620 I haven't,

00:55:06.120 it's something that I haven't even researched because I thought it was kind of stupid,

00:55:08.780 but it's saying,

00:55:09.680 yeah,

00:55:09.860 Miros was a likely a town,

00:55:11.740 an Israelite town.

00:55:13.000 And he's like,

00:55:13.600 no,

00:55:13.760 it was a planet of space Jews.

00:55:15.820 Right.

00:55:16.140 Yeah.

00:55:16.240 I mean,

00:55:16.400 that's what,

00:55:16.800 that was my initial thought on it.

00:55:18.040 That it's,

00:55:18.360 it's,

00:55:18.600 it's a proper name.

00:55:19.860 It's capitalized.

00:55:20.840 So it's probably,

00:55:21.860 it's either a,

00:55:22.980 I don't think it's a person in,

00:55:24.460 in the way it looks in context.

00:55:25.900 It looks like a tribe or,

00:55:27.140 or people.

00:55:27.880 So I would,

00:55:28.440 so I'll look into it,

00:55:29.520 but I mean,

00:55:30.280 you know,

00:55:30.480 what's the saddest thing you just said,

00:55:31.940 Raven,

00:55:32.160 is that you're,

00:55:34.020 that you have a caught out.

00:55:34.760 That should be,

00:55:35.400 that should be everyone's point of view that I don't know.

00:55:39.340 I don't know everything.

00:55:40.760 Right.

00:55:41.480 The fact that,

00:55:42.060 that it's rare is more of a commentary on,

00:55:45.380 I guess,

00:55:46.300 the way people are then,

00:55:47.860 than anything else.

00:55:49.380 I think I,

00:55:50.240 I know significantly less than I don't know.

00:55:53.520 And I,

00:55:54.140 and that becomes glaringly obvious to me.

00:55:56.060 And I look,

00:55:56.540 I'm not like a dedicated researcher.

00:55:58.360 I'm not writing books,

00:55:59.360 but I've been into these things for 20 years.

00:56:02.760 I'm,

00:56:02.960 I'm 35 years old for,

00:56:05.480 for,

00:56:05.980 you know,

00:56:06.520 almost two thirds of my life.

00:56:08.500 I have been fascinated or yeah.

00:56:10.640 Two thirds of my life.

00:56:11.380 I'm bad at math too.

00:56:12.540 I have been fascinated by topics like these.

00:56:14.980 And I've been studying it enough that I,

00:56:17.000 you know,

00:56:17.220 do a show and I dedicate all my time and resources to it currently.

00:56:20.540 And,

00:56:21.120 and all I'm ever shown is that there is more under the sun that I don't know

00:56:25.980 than I do know.

00:56:27.140 And,

00:56:27.560 and that is just the nature of the human condition.

00:56:31.920 And when I smell somebody that doesn't believe that I,

00:56:37.060 all of my alarms go off.

00:56:38.580 There's something wrong with that.

00:56:39.860 I'm not saying that,

00:56:41.040 you know,

00:56:42.100 there's no such thing as a greater intellect than mine.

00:56:44.940 Certainly there are those who know infinitely more than,

00:56:47.220 but I would also,

00:56:49.020 you know,

00:56:49.960 believe that those people,

00:56:51.320 they know less than they don't know just like me,

00:56:55.340 but just to probably a better degree in their defense.

00:56:58.480 You know what I mean?

00:56:58.820 So it's very strange.

00:57:01.100 The first place I'm going to go is I think that Heiser did a series on

00:57:04.440 judges and I have like a lot of his,

00:57:06.800 his,

00:57:07.120 his,

00:57:07.660 his library.

00:57:09.520 I'm going to go there and see what he says about it.

00:57:11.080 Cause he knows the languages.

00:57:11.920 I'm going to start with there.

00:57:12.940 And I'm probably going to do my own research and I'll find out what it

00:57:14.720 means.

00:57:14.920 But again,

00:57:15.160 I think it's,

00:57:16.540 I don't,

00:57:16.880 I don't think it's another planet.

00:57:18.220 I don't know that for sure because context wise,

00:57:21.180 where else is he talking about other planets?

00:57:25.100 Yeah.

00:57:25.260 I don't know.

00:57:25.900 I just,

00:57:26.420 once again,

00:57:27.180 I got to highlight that.

00:57:28.100 What a novel idea.

00:57:29.340 I don't know.

00:57:30.440 I'll get back to you on that.

00:57:31.920 Yeah.

00:57:32.280 Well,

00:57:32.540 I mean,

00:57:32.940 so biblical hitman's actually in the chat.

00:57:34.640 What's up guys?

00:57:35.020 Shout out to Steven.

00:57:35.920 What's up?

00:57:36.120 He said that the doctrine does come.

00:57:37.660 Oh yeah.

00:57:40.100 Steven's the man.

00:57:40.680 He's got to get back.

00:57:41.360 He'll be,

00:57:41.820 he'll be here next week,

00:57:42.780 next Friday.

00:57:43.360 There we go.

00:57:44.740 So yeah,

00:57:45.200 the doctrines told out of,

00:57:46.160 out of the Zohar with a myth,

00:57:47.900 with its mystical interpretation.

00:57:49.840 I know it's taught by a rabbi that does Kabbalistic teachings as well.

00:57:54.300 And,

00:57:54.360 and that,

00:57:54.780 that dude is kind of like dismissed by the,

00:57:57.360 by the,

00:57:57.860 the Judea community.

00:57:59.420 At large anyway,

00:58:01.160 it's just his theory.

00:58:02.320 And it's,

00:58:02.820 it's very interesting.

00:58:03.540 And that's like,

00:58:04.100 you'd pick some weird,

00:58:05.940 uh,

00:58:07.100 abstract theory because it does fit your worldview.

00:58:10.100 And it's like,

00:58:10.740 man,

00:58:10.920 what a dangerous way to be.

00:58:12.400 Yeah.

00:58:12.720 Yeah.

00:58:12.960 And you know,

00:58:13.520 it's one thing to bring it up in the,

00:58:14.880 in the realm of just fascinating topics.

00:58:16.940 Hey,

00:58:17.320 I don't know how to answer that,

00:58:18.700 but you want to know something that is fascinating.

00:58:20.880 Here's this.

00:58:21.520 And you go,

00:58:22.000 Oh,

00:58:22.140 that's weird.

00:58:22.600 So anyway,

00:58:22.860 like,

00:58:23.120 you know what I mean?

00:58:23.460 But it,

00:58:24.400 it becomes part of his narrative.

00:58:26.680 Well,

00:58:27.080 I knew a guy back when I was,

00:58:28.340 you know,

00:58:28.740 hanging out with,

00:58:29.320 with Chuck Mr.

00:58:29.980 Who was kind of in that circle who believed,

00:58:32.360 and he might not be wrong.

00:58:33.080 He believed that during the initial rebellion of the angels,

00:58:35.400 before the earth was recreated,

00:58:37.540 that they all had,

00:58:39.320 they,

00:58:39.600 they,

00:58:39.820 they occupied all of the planets,

00:58:41.460 you know,

00:58:41.700 the Mercury,

00:58:42.240 Venus,

00:58:42.600 Mars,

00:58:43.020 whatever.

00:58:43.960 And,

00:58:44.420 and so that was,

00:58:45.560 he firmly believed that.

00:58:47.420 And so there,

00:58:48.580 there's the,

00:58:49.120 the passage.

00:58:49.680 And I believe it's in Ezekiel 28,

00:58:51.820 when he's talking about the fall of,

00:58:52.900 of one of the passages about the fall of Satan.

00:58:54.860 One of the things when,

00:58:55.840 when God is,

00:58:56.440 is giving that lament,

00:58:57.340 he says,

00:58:57.720 you know,

00:58:57.860 you were perfect.

00:58:58.500 You were upright,

00:58:58.940 blah,

00:58:59.120 blah,

00:58:59.300 blah.

00:58:59.600 He says,

00:58:59.960 you walked among the stones of fire.

00:59:01.700 He said,

00:59:01.980 well,

00:59:02.060 the stones of fire,

00:59:02.920 those are planets.

00:59:03.840 That's what he means.

00:59:04.480 He means that Satan walked among the planets.

00:59:06.580 Like,

00:59:07.320 are you,

00:59:07.660 do you believe that because there's,

00:59:09.080 because that's what it says in context,

00:59:10.560 or because it confirmation bias,

00:59:12.760 you are,

00:59:13.020 it supports your theory that,

00:59:14.780 you know,

00:59:15.000 the angels ruled over the planets and,

00:59:17.120 you know,

00:59:17.240 he,

00:59:17.540 Satan was over Saturn.

00:59:18.540 I think he said,

00:59:19.400 and like,

00:59:20.020 all right,

00:59:20.280 dude,

00:59:20.460 I mean,

00:59:20.700 it's interesting,

00:59:21.340 but you have to be really careful to not make your worldview and your,

00:59:26.960 your theory shape the rest of the Bible,

00:59:29.360 because again,

00:59:30.100 it could be wrong.

00:59:30.660 And my biggest problem with,

00:59:32.360 and again,

00:59:32.720 let me just be clear.

00:59:33.960 I have no reason not to believe that Timothy Albarino is a Bible,

00:59:37.000 believing Christian,

00:59:37.740 that he is saved,

00:59:38.460 that he believes in Jesus for the salvation of his sins.

00:59:40.640 He's never said anything that will lead me to doubt that.

00:59:43.460 So that's not the problem I have.

00:59:44.920 The problem I have is,

00:59:45.900 like I said,

00:59:46.200 with bad doctrine,

00:59:47.280 because bad doctrine takes you further away from,

00:59:49.620 from God.

00:59:50.780 So while I think that,

00:59:52.160 again,

00:59:52.360 he's,

00:59:52.720 I think he's doing his best.

00:59:54.040 I,

00:59:54.140 I will err on the side of,

00:59:56.280 of saying that I think he's sincere and that he is trying to do what's best

00:59:59.840 for the kingdom of God.

01:00:00.900 But I think that that one idea of the women being,

01:00:05.060 the angels being lustful and God,

01:00:07.280 subsequently,

01:00:07.920 I mean,

01:00:08.140 not subsequently,

01:00:08.760 but God having to create them with a sex drive makes God unjust.

01:00:12.640 And if you think God's unjust,

01:00:14.300 then that is taking you further away from knowing who he really is.

01:00:17.000 So that's really the issue is with that doctrine.

01:00:19.760 Yeah.

01:00:20.000 And I just wanted to say that,

01:00:22.280 you know,

01:00:23.680 in,

01:00:23.880 in Tim's defense,

01:00:24.920 one of the best moments of the show I thought was when he talked about

01:00:28.500 testing the spirits and he specifically talked about Jesus saying,

01:00:32.660 you know,

01:00:32.980 who is it that you say that I am?

01:00:34.720 And,

01:00:35.160 and it's like that,

01:00:36.420 that was,

01:00:36.940 that was huge.

01:00:37.520 Like,

01:00:37.680 I do believe when,

01:00:38.900 when he's saying you need to be rooted in the gospel,

01:00:41.320 he's absolutely correct.

01:00:43.320 My,

01:00:43.760 my only issue that I was trying to point out to him was like,

01:00:46.620 I don't know how you're in lockstep with,

01:00:49.900 with what is to me a very obvious propaganda piece,

01:00:52.560 meaning the age of disclosure and how you're dismissing Christians who call

01:00:57.740 this demonic and,

01:00:59.180 and how that correlates with being rooted in the gospel.

01:01:01.440 Because the,

01:01:02.840 the example that I use is if I say the antichrist will come from disclosure

01:01:09.600 and you say aliens or demons.

01:01:12.700 And I think to myself,

01:01:14.060 does he mean like the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim?

01:01:17.660 I wouldn't ridicule that person.

01:01:19.660 I would be like,

01:01:20.480 you're very close,

01:01:21.520 dude.

01:01:21.880 Like,

01:01:22.200 you're very close.

01:01:22.940 You're over the target.

01:01:23.940 Here's a little bit more information to kind of refine that.

01:01:26.740 But like,

01:01:27.140 yeah,

01:01:27.360 dude.

01:01:27.620 Yeah.

01:01:27.800 They're not good.

01:01:28.520 You know what I mean?

01:01:28.920 So there would be camaraderie in that expression.

01:01:32.100 I think the antichrist is going to come from it.

01:01:33.940 You think they're demonic.

01:01:35.260 Let's,

01:01:35.720 let's talk about this.

01:01:36.700 Let's not dismiss and say that you're an idiot and,

01:01:39.660 and all this other stuff.

01:01:40.940 It's,

01:01:41.160 it's kind of bizarre.

01:01:42.620 And so,

01:01:42.940 but.

01:01:43.480 Well,

01:01:43.620 it brings up a really good point though.

01:01:45.460 Something that I need to think about because obviously like I'm not,

01:01:48.740 I'm not a,

01:01:49.580 a great Christian.

01:01:51.160 And I don't think that Timothy Albarino was wrong.

01:01:53.620 for pointing that out.

01:01:55.240 But this idea of like where your doctrine is,

01:01:58.380 like what you're,

01:01:59.500 what you,

01:02:00.220 what your foundation is,

01:02:01.320 if that has a little bit of rot in it,

01:02:03.960 what does that extrapolate to?

01:02:06.080 And like for us on the outside of,

01:02:08.080 we're like obviously pointing at him and saying it extrapolates to a book that

01:02:11.160 leads people here and there.

01:02:12.340 And it makes you look like a fed,

01:02:15.060 but then I got to ask myself too,

01:02:17.080 what does that make me look like?

01:02:18.260 Because I have some rot somewhere as well in my foundation.

01:02:21.280 And I have to continue to like turn these rocks over.

01:02:23.640 And I,

01:02:23.900 I mess up all the time.

01:02:25.340 Just talking with Timothy Albarino was a mistake in my opinion,

01:02:29.540 because I,

01:02:31.080 I didn't want to do it number one,

01:02:33.020 but number two,

01:02:33.660 it,

01:02:33.880 it kind of like brings out this side that we we've said,

01:02:36.560 I've said that I put away.

01:02:38.160 I don't want to do this,

01:02:39.220 like mocking,

01:02:40.100 especially to somebody that might be trying their best.

01:02:42.780 But I don't know.

01:02:43.600 I was put in a situation where I had to.

01:02:45.320 So it's like,

01:02:45.740 okay,

01:02:45.900 that is rot.

01:02:46.920 That's rot from my end.

01:02:48.980 And it's not,

01:02:50.600 it's not what's good,

01:02:52.200 you know?

01:02:52.560 So I don't know.

01:02:54.060 We've talked before many times of that.

01:02:55.960 You know,

01:02:56.120 there are things that I believed five years ago that I don't anymore because,

01:02:59.520 and I,

01:02:59.800 I was wrong.

01:03:00.760 We all have to continue to grow.

01:03:02.500 And,

01:03:03.100 and,

01:03:03.760 but as long as you have the foundation of,

01:03:05.740 of knowing who God is or,

01:03:07.500 or continue to learn who he is and who he's not,

01:03:09.540 I think that is that that should be your foundation.

01:03:13.000 That should be your cornerstone and everything else can fall away around it

01:03:16.860 because all the other stuff doesn't really matter.

01:03:18.820 Like,

01:03:19.080 you know,

01:03:19.300 I've changed what I believe about the rapture.

01:03:20.740 I used to be hardcore believing one thing about the rapture.

01:03:23.520 And then someone smarter than me,

01:03:25.020 John Linhardt in this case,

01:03:27.140 pointing me in the direction of,

01:03:28.080 Hey,

01:03:28.160 you know what?

01:03:28.520 The Bible talks about more than one rapture.

01:03:30.740 So why do you just pick the one you like best?

01:03:32.880 And I was like,

01:03:33.260 Oh,

01:03:33.620 okay.

01:03:34.260 So the point is that we,

01:03:35.940 we always have to continue.

01:03:38.200 And once I understand,

01:03:39.540 that it actually made,

01:03:40.960 it brought me closer to God because it told me,

01:03:43.840 okay,

01:03:44.020 that it actually makes sense that God would do it this way.

01:03:48.680 But I want to wrap up with,

01:03:50.200 with one thing that I mentioned before.

01:03:51.500 I don't want to leave people hanging.

01:03:52.640 I talked about how I give a little more clarity to what the spiritual realm

01:03:57.180 is.

01:03:57.620 And maybe one of the areas that,

01:04:00.300 that obviously I differ with Tim on.

01:04:03.080 And,

01:04:03.620 and I think that listening to him,

01:04:07.380 I think one of the issues that he has,

01:04:09.540 is that he elevates the physical over the spiritual and not so much,

01:04:13.520 not from a theological standpoint,

01:04:15.040 but from a material,

01:04:16.160 a scientific standpoint,

01:04:17.480 because he kept talking about the spiritual realm as this ethereal,

01:04:21.140 not real sort of thing.

01:04:22.800 And we,

01:04:23.400 we've had this conversation before that.

01:04:25.280 I believe it's the exact opposite.

01:04:27.300 Not that he believes that this realm is the real,

01:04:30.220 this table in front of me is the real world.

01:04:32.420 This is where this world is solid.

01:04:33.740 And the so-called spiritual realm is ethereal and fluffy,

01:04:36.460 which may be why he has such trouble wrapping his mind around its existence,

01:04:41.420 because he has the wrong impression that it's this wavy thing.

01:04:45.080 And these angels are actually,

01:04:45.980 they're strong and they're powerful and they have vehicles and technology.

01:04:49.120 So how can they be wispy and ethereal?

01:04:51.280 Well,

01:04:51.440 I just want to say that within that testimony,

01:04:54.480 body of testimony from people who,

01:04:56.520 you know,

01:04:57.160 go to different realms and experience different entities,

01:05:00.320 how often do you get back?

01:05:02.060 The place that I went to,

01:05:03.700 even in near death experiences,

01:05:04.840 was more real than this place.

01:05:07.840 The colors were more vivid.

01:05:09.780 Things were more,

01:05:10.720 this place that we exist in is somehow dulled and toned down in comparison to

01:05:15.900 these other places that people devil's avocado.

01:05:18.560 Why do they want to come here so bad?

01:05:23.340 So,

01:05:23.980 and so I'll just briefly give something I've talked about in detail on this show

01:05:27.560 before.

01:05:27.820 And also on faith by reason and in my,

01:05:29.640 my creation series.

01:05:30.960 And that is,

01:05:31.920 if you look at,

01:05:32.860 you know,

01:05:33.060 what makes up our world is atoms.

01:05:35.180 That's,

01:05:35.420 that's the,

01:05:35.800 that's our basic building block.

01:05:36.800 When you get down with the atomic structure,

01:05:38.440 the nucleus of the atom,

01:05:39.560 you know,

01:05:39.820 if you look in your,

01:05:40.620 in your high school textbook,

01:05:41.780 whatever you have,

01:05:42.320 you see this nucleus and then you have like an,

01:05:44.380 an electron rotating,

01:05:46.020 maybe like an inch away from it.

01:05:47.160 Well,

01:05:47.400 that's off by a scale of a hundred thousand to one.

01:05:50.140 If you were able to enlarge the nucleus of an atom to the size of the head

01:05:53.020 of a pin and go to a football field,

01:05:55.600 take that pin ink pen and put a dot at the 50 yard line.

01:05:58.400 Those electrons are circling in each end zone.

01:06:00.720 That means 99.9% of it is empty space.

01:06:04.640 The,

01:06:05.300 if you were to blow it up to the size of the nucleus,

01:06:07.560 the size of a baseball,

01:06:08.840 the electrons will be circling about seven miles away in diameter.

01:06:12.560 So mostly nothing.

01:06:14.400 The electrons themselves,

01:06:15.400 they're just electric.

01:06:16.180 They have,

01:06:16.540 they only have inferred weight.

01:06:17.660 They,

01:06:17.840 they are weightless.

01:06:18.860 So they,

01:06:19.640 they just have a static electric charge of negative,

01:06:22.720 which is why we have the illusion of solidity because you have a bunch of

01:06:25.960 negatively charged electrons that are repel others.

01:06:30.280 So that's why my,

01:06:30.860 my,

01:06:31.240 both of my hands are made of atoms,

01:06:33.080 electron spinning,

01:06:34.440 and they,

01:06:35.480 they repel each other,

01:06:36.500 which is why my hand can't pass through my other hand.

01:06:38.900 Then you get to the proton,

01:06:40.100 the proton when you get break it down,

01:06:41.920 it's made up of quarks,

01:06:43.060 quarks or vibrations.

01:06:44.620 So what we think is solid is mostly empty space.

01:06:47.700 It's made up of light and vibration.

01:06:51.020 We are,

01:06:51.780 we live in an electric simulation,

01:06:53.100 which I think Tim actually might,

01:06:54.720 I think he agrees with that.

01:06:56.040 So if we live in a simulation,

01:06:58.060 we're simulating something else.

01:06:59.700 What are we simulating?

01:07:00.680 We simulating that realm,

01:07:02.620 which is more real than us.

01:07:05.180 And the analogy I like to give to help people wrap their minds around that

01:07:08.600 is,

01:07:08.920 you know,

01:07:09.540 you get an airplane,

01:07:10.300 you're flying.

01:07:10.980 You look out the window,

01:07:11.900 you see these big billowy,

01:07:13.320 fluffy clouds.

01:07:14.360 It looks like if you jumped out of the plane,

01:07:15.940 you would just land on them softly and you just,

01:07:17.900 you know,

01:07:18.040 it'd be like a big,

01:07:18.980 you know,

01:07:19.260 big cushion.

01:07:20.060 But we know that's not the case because they're made of water vapor.

01:07:22.440 You would pass right through them because you're more solid than them.

01:07:25.840 In order for them to support your weight,

01:07:27.320 you'd have to lose a lot of mass to be equal to,

01:07:30.440 or less than the mass of the cloud.

01:07:32.320 Then you could interact with it physically.

01:07:34.800 It's the same thing with the angelic realm.

01:07:36.820 When the,

01:07:37.240 when an angel or Elohim materializes,

01:07:39.580 they don't become more solid.

01:07:41.820 They become less solid to interact with us.

01:07:45.620 That's so they are more real.

01:07:47.340 That's why in most,

01:07:48.840 in many cases,

01:07:49.380 when an angel appears and they're all their glory,

01:07:51.820 people see them go into a coma.

01:07:53.760 Daniel said,

01:07:54.280 I fell down like I was dead.

01:07:55.660 He went into a coma.

01:07:56.940 That's how much he could not perceive that angel and all their glory.

01:08:00.440 Yes.

01:08:00.860 They can also appear as regular human beings.

01:08:03.320 They do that for our sake.

01:08:04.980 They give up that first estate as,

01:08:07.180 as it's called in the book of Jude to interact with us.

01:08:10.940 But when they are in their,

01:08:12.180 all their glory,

01:08:12.820 we can't take it.

01:08:13.760 So the spiritual realm is more real than the physical realm.

01:08:18.500 And if you understand that,

01:08:19.580 then you shouldn't have a problem with the,

01:08:24.080 this,

01:08:24.340 this realm of these powerful beings being,

01:08:27.100 you know,

01:08:27.620 being,

01:08:27.880 being a completely different realm.

01:08:28.960 And I'll say this last one,

01:08:30.400 less last analogy.

01:08:31.420 So I hope if,

01:08:32.280 if Tim's watching,

01:08:33.240 hate watching this,

01:08:34.420 maybe he'll get this.

01:08:35.280 on earth,

01:08:36.620 we are,

01:08:37.060 we are land animals.

01:08:38.140 We are land creatures.

01:08:38.960 Rather.

01:08:39.580 We also have the oceans.

01:08:41.040 The oceans are a different realm.

01:08:43.200 We can't,

01:08:44.020 we can,

01:08:44.460 we can go into the ocean for a little bit.

01:08:45.880 We can swim around,

01:08:46.800 but we,

01:08:47.300 but we can't go all the way into it because that's a different realm that we

01:08:51.380 are not equipped to,

01:08:52.420 to dwell in.

01:08:53.760 It's the same thing with the spiritual realm.

01:08:55.520 We can,

01:08:56.080 we can have a vision.

01:08:57.360 Some of you guys talked about DMT and taking a silo syluban or whatever.

01:09:01.140 We can kind of dabble.

01:09:02.460 We can like,

01:09:02.860 you know,

01:09:03.020 play around in the tide pools,

01:09:04.420 but we can't go all the way in there because we're not equipped for it.

01:09:08.220 When,

01:09:08.480 when Isaiah and Ezekiel and Daniel and John and Paul are having these visions,

01:09:12.020 they're playing in the tide pool of the spiritual realm.

01:09:15.320 So they see some stuff and they see what they can,

01:09:18.240 but they can't go all the way in there because it is a different realm that

01:09:21.380 they're not equipped to be a part of.

01:09:23.200 So there are different realms,

01:09:24.840 but you have to understand it.

01:09:27.420 You have to understand and accept that because the Bible makes it clear.

01:09:29.840 Like,

01:09:30.200 as I said,

01:09:30.520 where do,

01:09:30.880 where do the dead go?

01:09:32.780 Where's Jehovah's throne?

01:09:34.080 It's not on another planet somewhere.

01:09:36.060 It's all around us.

01:09:37.060 We are in,

01:09:37.940 we,

01:09:38.280 the spiritual realm is here.

01:09:39.580 We just can't see it.

01:09:40.920 We can't encounter it because it is so much more real than we are.

01:09:45.920 Another crazy example you had me thinking of is like in this physical realm

01:09:50.560 that we're in,

01:09:51.220 if you took an ant and you dropped it from that plane,

01:09:54.900 I wonder if it would bounce off the cloud,

01:09:56.860 but it does something called terminal velocity because of its size and being in

01:10:00.780 the realm that was created for things that are generally our size,

01:10:04.300 it'll fall,

01:10:05.360 but it will only reach a certain speed and it won't splat.

01:10:08.320 Right.

01:10:08.840 Exactly.

01:10:09.860 Yes.

01:10:10.220 It's just,

01:10:10.980 it's not quite.

01:10:12.680 Hey dude,

01:10:13.080 that was smart.

01:10:14.120 I know.

01:10:14.480 I'm kind of smart.

01:10:15.080 That was good.

01:10:15.900 Animalology.

01:10:16.460 What's it called?

01:10:17.060 Terminal velocity.

01:10:18.080 Yeah.

01:10:18.300 They,

01:10:18.500 yeah,

01:10:18.880 dude.

01:10:19.640 Yeah.

01:10:19.940 So it's like the,

01:10:20.920 the laws of physics for just an ant within this physical realm,

01:10:24.660 they,

01:10:25.560 it doesn't apply to them because they are very different than us.

01:10:28.200 Just atomically speaking,

01:10:29.600 what they're,

01:10:30.180 what they're composed of.

01:10:30.880 So it's like,

01:10:31.160 now we're talking about an angel in another realm.

01:10:33.920 How could we be so sure about these things?

01:10:35.880 Yeah.

01:10:35.980 Let me give you one,

01:10:36.900 one more that,

01:10:37.440 that you guys brought up on the top.

01:10:39.240 I think you brought up on the,

01:10:40.000 on the show with,

01:10:40.620 with Alvarino.

01:10:41.100 You talked about the,

01:10:42.800 when Elisha,

01:10:43.680 you know,

01:10:43.940 the successor of Elijah and second Kings,

01:10:45.980 he and his servant were surrounded by the Syrian army.

01:10:48.460 And he said,

01:10:49.180 and his servant was freaking out.

01:10:51.860 It was bad.

01:10:52.200 Okay.

01:10:52.740 And the servant was freaking out.

01:10:54.040 And Elisha said,

01:10:54.880 you know,

01:10:55.060 those who are with us are greater than those who are with them.

01:10:57.000 And he was like,

01:10:57.640 he didn't get it.

01:10:58.520 So he,

01:10:58.900 so he prayed.

01:10:59.820 He said to God,

01:11:00.780 open his eyes.

01:11:02.260 In other words,

01:11:02.900 let him see more,

01:11:04.680 not less.

01:11:05.980 Let him see a greater realm.

01:11:07.840 He didn't say,

01:11:08.580 Hey God,

01:11:09.200 dim his eyes.

01:11:09.780 So he can see this ethereal fluffy realm.

01:11:11.600 No,

01:11:11.900 he said,

01:11:12.300 open his eyes so he could see reality.

01:11:15.400 And so he had to,

01:11:16.780 he had to be gifted to see more in order to see the spiritual realm,

01:11:19.900 not less.

01:11:20.360 The spiritual realm is,

01:11:21.620 is more real.

01:11:24.280 I,

01:11:24.760 I got to tell you,

01:11:25.540 even in that moment,

01:11:26.620 I can't remember because of the way that he was talking at the time,

01:11:30.020 whether or not he agreed or disagreed with that.

01:11:32.280 That was a lot of,

01:11:33.260 a lot of the issue.

01:11:34.040 And I was,

01:11:35.080 it almost became apparent to me during this,

01:11:37.640 that there,

01:11:39.100 there is a point of diminishing returns on even information in some,

01:11:42.720 in some ways.

01:11:43.280 If you're inundated by information that you cannot process and,

01:11:48.500 and put into perspective,

01:11:50.340 it's a burden.

01:11:53.320 It almost felt like a burden.

01:11:54.360 Like it was like a guy who has so many thoughts going on in his head and

01:11:59.020 they're,

01:11:59.300 none of them are serving him anymore.

01:12:00.880 Or he can't articulate them.

01:12:03.080 I find that a lot of my ideas,

01:12:05.100 the way that I organize them is through speech.

01:12:07.740 It's the way that I learn is through conversation.

01:12:09.560 The way that I organize my thoughts is by saying them out loud.

01:12:12.340 And if he's anything like me,

01:12:15.440 then that was showing me like,

01:12:17.180 your thoughts are incoherent.

01:12:19.940 Your worldview seems to be incoherent.

01:12:22.420 And I,

01:12:23.840 I don't know.

01:12:24.840 It's,

01:12:25.280 it's,

01:12:25.580 it's a bit of a curse.

01:12:26.480 I think,

01:12:26.860 I don't know if,

01:12:28.080 if that was just because of the context of having this conversation with

01:12:31.780 us,

01:12:32.100 maybe feeling that it was a bit adversarial.

01:12:34.940 You know,

01:12:35.620 we did get to this place by mocking him and dressing like him.

01:12:39.060 And so I can see how that doesn't lend itself to a nice,

01:12:42.120 smooth conversation,

01:12:42.840 but just the fact of the matter remains,

01:12:46.220 as I'm listening to him,

01:12:47.680 try to elaborate on any of his views.

01:12:50.300 It feels like if what he was saying is any reflection of what's going on in

01:12:55.960 his mind.

01:12:58.220 It's,

01:12:58.720 it's kind of chaos.

01:12:59.620 It's disjointed chaos.

01:13:01.040 And I don't know.

01:13:02.260 It's just,

01:13:03.000 it's not the guy that I was familiar with when I was watching these

01:13:05.540 documentaries.

01:13:06.800 I just wonder if,

01:13:07.940 if it's,

01:13:08.560 it's kind of one of those cautionary tales of like leaning on your own

01:13:10.960 understanding or trying to,

01:13:13.340 I guess,

01:13:15.900 champion your own intellect to the extent that you want to ask a question.

01:13:20.220 I got,

01:13:20.780 because about five minutes into the show,

01:13:23.080 I had a question and that was why did aside from you,

01:13:26.580 Raven,

01:13:26.940 why did anyone agree to do this?

01:13:29.160 Because I'm looking at his demeanor.

01:13:31.240 I'm looking at top's demeanor.

01:13:32.720 And the only one who seemed to be having any fun was Raven.

01:13:36.200 I mean,

01:13:36.680 Alperina looked miserable.

01:13:39.100 He looked like he didn't want to be there.

01:13:40.760 Topic like he wanted to just,

01:13:41.700 you know,

01:13:41.920 throw a punch at him at any moment.

01:13:44.040 And I was like,

01:13:45.100 why did he agree to be on this?

01:13:46.500 He doesn't seem happy to be here.

01:13:48.020 And I'm,

01:13:48.300 I'm just messing with you top,

01:13:49.860 but it was,

01:13:51.200 it was true.

01:13:51.780 It looked like he didn't want to be there.

01:13:52.960 Like,

01:13:53.200 why is,

01:13:53.680 why is,

01:13:54.100 did he lose a bet?

01:13:54.920 Why did he end up on this show?

01:13:56.540 We did this as like a make a wish for Matt.

01:14:00.440 Matt loves it.

01:14:01.360 Matt loves it.

01:14:01.920 Look,

01:14:02.180 I'm going to be honest.

01:14:03.360 I,

01:14:03.800 I was asking myself that question too.

01:14:06.900 Well,

01:14:07.060 no,

01:14:07.220 I mean,

01:14:07.540 listen,

01:14:08.100 when,

01:14:08.940 when he asked initially for the debate,

01:14:11.120 I spoke with David and I was like,

01:14:12.900 you know,

01:14:13.180 what's going to,

01:14:13.680 what comes of this.

01:14:14.960 And it's like nothing,

01:14:16.180 a whole lot of nothing.

01:14:17.140 We already spoke with them on the show previously,

01:14:19.540 like a year,

01:14:20.300 a year and a half ago.

01:14:21.460 And what happened with that was just like,

01:14:23.320 we butted heads.

01:14:25.300 He kind of decided to back off.

01:14:28.420 It was like,

01:14:28.800 we were arguing about aliens again.

01:14:30.380 Yeah.

01:14:30.540 And I think he was just kind of like,

01:14:32.140 he had wanting to argue.

01:14:33.380 And he was like,

01:14:33.820 okay,

01:14:34.380 I see that could be whatever true.

01:14:36.460 And I'm like,

01:14:36.780 so we're going to have the same conversation with this guy,

01:14:38.740 except for like this time he's going to try to,

01:14:42.220 I don't know,

01:14:42.920 do something embarrassed,

01:14:44.120 whatever.

01:14:44.740 I was like,

01:14:45.000 I'm not really interested in this.

01:14:46.860 It doesn't further what we're talking about on the show.

01:14:49.660 But he did ask for it over and over again.

01:14:53.260 Yeah.

01:14:53.380 I am forced to think about that.

01:14:55.540 And I,

01:14:55.740 and I think the reason is,

01:14:56.960 is because we're not the biggest show in the world,

01:14:59.820 but we have.

01:15:01.740 Why did we do this?

01:15:02.660 Great point.

01:15:03.400 That's a great point.

01:15:04.260 We,

01:15:04.820 we have an ability to create some virality on,

01:15:07.940 on X.

01:15:08.740 We're kind of loud.

01:15:10.420 And right now,

01:15:14.240 disclosure is the big hot topics.

01:15:16.620 Spielberg's got his show coming up or his movie rather the disclosure day.

01:15:20.660 And that's,

01:15:21.400 that's surely going to move things along.

01:15:23.140 And age of disclosure just was released.

01:15:25.460 His association,

01:15:26.960 Tim's with Elizondo is something that I think is fostered out of Tim,

01:15:32.240 wanting to be close to disclosure and,

01:15:34.220 and help guide people's thoughts as we move into it.

01:15:37.300 And I think the timing was such that this could be good PR.

01:15:43.400 And I know that that's kind of sounds like a shitty way to characterize this,

01:15:47.000 but if he could dunk on some guys who are,

01:15:52.120 you know,

01:15:52.440 loud voices on Twitter,

01:15:53.620 have the virality and present as kind of dumb,

01:15:57.640 then this could be good PR for him.

01:16:00.960 I cannot understand why he would ask over and over again through any other lens.

01:16:05.380 It just doesn't make sense to me.

01:16:06.680 And then,

01:16:06.880 yeah,

01:16:07.080 having him show up.

01:16:08.400 I don't understand why we agree.

01:16:10.280 I guess we agreed.

01:16:12.020 I agreed out of,

01:16:13.360 out of principle.

01:16:14.480 I agreed because Matt,

01:16:15.780 and this is not a joke.

01:16:17.380 No,

01:16:17.540 yeah,

01:16:17.660 this is true.

01:16:18.160 He really wanted,

01:16:18.800 he was like,

01:16:19.440 Hey man,

01:16:20.220 we have the Albarino on the hook.

01:16:21.980 Can we talk to him?

01:16:23.020 And I'm like,

01:16:23.320 you just really want to talk to this guy.

01:16:24.720 Don't you?

01:16:25.160 Yeah,

01:16:25.300 he does.

01:16:25.660 He loves him.

01:16:26.140 He loves him.

01:16:26.720 He watched his documentaries.

01:16:28.420 He,

01:16:28.600 he,

01:16:28.900 his,

01:16:29.220 he showed his kids his documentaries.

01:16:30.640 Like this is kind of a,

01:16:32.540 a bit of a hero.

01:16:33.440 And you should have seen this man die.

01:16:34.740 We put,

01:16:35.660 we died inside.

01:16:36.720 Albarino comes on the show before we start.

01:16:38.560 And he just goes,

01:16:39.500 we go,

01:16:39.820 Hey,

01:16:39.960 what's up,

01:16:40.320 man?

01:16:40.780 David plays,

01:16:41.720 he plays the Indiana Jones music,

01:16:43.980 which is uncalled for.

01:16:45.460 And,

01:16:45.820 and Albarino goes,

01:16:47.500 what are you talking to me?

01:16:48.660 Like real nasty.

01:16:49.440 And Matt's face just drops.

01:16:51.420 And I was like,

01:16:51.800 yeah,

01:16:51.920 this is what was going to happen,

01:16:52.880 Matt.

01:16:53.580 Yeah.

01:16:53.920 I had to tell him.

01:16:54.760 There was tension.

01:16:55.780 Like as soon as you guys went live,

01:16:57.720 I'm like,

01:16:58.060 I just felt tension.

01:16:59.500 And I'm like,

01:16:59.820 why no one wants to be here.

01:17:01.500 Why,

01:17:01.820 why is Albarino doing this show?

01:17:03.280 He just looks like he'd rather be,

01:17:04.860 you know,

01:17:05.380 he'd rather be chewing on chainsaw.

01:17:10.100 Because you were dressed like him.

01:17:15.060 Yeah.

01:17:15.620 This is,

01:17:16.020 this is showing up and I'm,

01:17:17.400 and I'm dressed like Indiana Jones.

01:17:19.260 But here's the thing though.

01:17:19.820 We've been doing this in the lead up to this,

01:17:21.800 this entire time.

01:17:22.860 And he was still asking for it.

01:17:24.060 He just,

01:17:24.640 he showed up.

01:17:25.780 And he did not want to be there,

01:17:27.140 which was perplexing because we,

01:17:30.700 he asked.

01:17:31.600 I think he was,

01:17:32.160 I think he was sleepy too.

01:17:33.400 Like there's a time difference in Montana.

01:17:35.880 So he's three hours behind.

01:17:37.560 It's,

01:17:37.880 it's not early,

01:17:38.500 but it's still like,

01:17:39.600 you know,

01:17:39.820 it's,

01:17:39.980 it's still the morning over there in Montana when we do this.

01:17:42.620 And I think even that has something to do with the idea that he

01:17:45.860 couldn't collect his thoughts in a coherent fashion.

01:17:47.740 I don't think he thought he had to,

01:17:49.500 I think he thought these guys are retards.

01:17:52.720 Why did we do it?

01:17:53.460 The question is why,

01:17:54.420 I don't know why I know why I did.

01:17:56.880 I know why I did it.

01:17:58.380 And the truth of the matter is,

01:18:00.080 is twofold.

01:18:00.920 One,

01:18:01.880 you don't just ridicule a guy relentlessly dress like him,

01:18:06.040 crack a whip,

01:18:06.900 yada,

01:18:07.120 yada.

01:18:07.460 And then when he says,

01:18:08.480 debate me,

01:18:09.160 you go,

01:18:09.680 no,

01:18:10.020 I like,

01:18:10.520 we kind of did,

01:18:11.380 but he kept asking for,

01:18:12.160 so I was like,

01:18:12.500 okay.

01:18:12.740 The other thing is like,

01:18:14.140 like I said,

01:18:15.360 something,

01:18:15.900 something was strange.

01:18:18.060 I,

01:18:18.560 I at first thought we were talking about our aliens,

01:18:21.620 the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim.

01:18:23.320 Okay.

01:18:23.600 We can have a conversation about that and talk about the multifaceted nature of

01:18:26.700 aliens or,

01:18:28.120 you know,

01:18:28.860 air quote aliens.

01:18:29.640 But as I was going further into my research,

01:18:32.680 things just weren't making sense to me.

01:18:35.020 And it could just be because I'm a psychopath,

01:18:36.720 but I do think that there was some fundamentally bizarre thing that didn't

01:18:43.160 make sense.

01:18:43.820 And it was that we watch the age of disclosure.

01:18:47.360 It was propaganda.

01:18:48.880 It is.

01:18:49.880 There's,

01:18:50.160 that's not up to debate for me.

01:18:51.960 That was propaganda.

01:18:53.080 It was giving the public,

01:18:54.680 they're talking points.

01:18:56.680 Repetition,

01:18:57.440 repetition,

01:18:58.160 repetition.

01:18:58.500 It was almost like a form of hypnosis.

01:19:00.460 Here's the experts.

01:19:01.700 Trust them.

01:19:02.780 Get ready for this thing.

01:19:03.880 That's coming.

01:19:04.460 Here's all your talking points.

01:19:05.800 And when I heard him say everything that happened in that documentary was

01:19:11.580 great.

01:19:12.460 And then echo that same dismissive sentiment of Christians are standing in the

01:19:16.240 way of progress.

01:19:17.020 I said,

01:19:17.680 no,

01:19:17.900 no,

01:19:18.000 no,

01:19:18.140 no,

01:19:18.340 no,

01:19:18.440 no,

01:19:18.520 no,

01:19:18.600 no,

01:19:18.820 no,

01:19:19.120 no,

01:19:19.340 no,

01:19:19.440 no,

01:19:19.740 no,

01:19:19.940 no,

01:19:20.240 no,

01:19:20.320 no,

01:19:20.340 no,

01:19:20.400 no,

01:19:20.440 no,

01:19:20.460 no,

01:19:20.840 no,

01:19:20.900 no,

01:19:20.920 no,

01:19:20.940 no,

01:19:21.000 no,

01:19:21.520 no,

01:19:21.920 no,

01:19:22.380 no,

01:19:22.920 no,

01:19:23.920 no,

01:19:24.920 no,

01:19:25.920 never followed us on,

01:19:26.880 on any social media,

01:19:28.280 weird as shit,

01:19:28.820 but he's,

01:19:29.320 I guess,

01:19:30.320 knowing what we've been saying,

01:19:31.780 why at like the same time,

01:19:33.280 I mean,

01:19:33.540 within a week,

01:19:34.340 I remember sending you guys a screenshot.

01:19:36.020 It was within like three days.

01:19:36.760 Yeah.

01:19:37.020 Yeah.

01:19:37.140 I was like,

01:19:37.460 Oh,

01:19:37.620 look,

01:19:37.860 blurry creatures followed me on X.

01:19:39.500 Like pretty cool.

01:19:40.280 Like their show is cool.

01:19:42.140 And then a couple of days later,

01:19:44.280 Timothy Albarino takes the shot of a retarded Nephilim podcast.

01:19:48.800 And we were like,

01:19:49.560 I'm stupid.

01:19:50.560 So I don't,

01:19:51.020 it's,

01:19:51.260 I'm like completely unrelated.

01:19:52.820 I'm like that hurt.

01:19:53.640 I liked it.

01:19:54.340 I retweeted.

01:19:55.160 I thought it was funny.

01:19:56.120 And then we realized,

01:19:57.160 I think we realized a little,

01:19:58.380 little later on,

01:19:59.080 like,

01:19:59.260 Oh no,

01:19:59.440 no,

01:19:59.540 you were talking about us.

01:20:01.680 But like,

01:20:02.140 why are you doing that?

01:20:03.180 Why are you pointing at me?

01:20:04.300 And then why are your boys following me?

01:20:05.940 Like,

01:20:06.080 why are you watching me?

01:20:07.260 I think I,

01:20:08.200 and then to the point of like,

01:20:09.260 where we mocked you to a point where we're like,

01:20:11.640 like,

01:20:11.820 it's,

01:20:12.140 it's okay for you to go away now.

01:20:13.440 Like we gave you every out.

01:20:15.040 If you,

01:20:16.080 you know,

01:20:16.340 the man of means that you are say these guys were mean.

01:20:19.560 They had a whip.

01:20:20.260 They dressed like me.

01:20:21.080 They said these things.

01:20:21.860 We were making fun of everything.

01:20:23.000 Serious retard.

01:20:23.840 He's got,

01:20:24.380 he's got a picture of,

01:20:25.560 uh,

01:20:26.140 Isaac Newton behind him.

01:20:27.820 And we were like,

01:20:28.640 like,

01:20:28.860 we just making fun of everything.

01:20:30.060 Everything.

01:20:30.540 You could have said at some point,

01:20:32.280 like you're not worth my time,

01:20:33.480 but you didn't every single step of the way.

01:20:35.080 And I'm just like,

01:20:35.840 why are you doing this?

01:20:37.120 I think they,

01:20:37.900 dude,

01:20:38.120 I like the only,

01:20:39.200 and I'm a conspiracy theorist at heart.

01:20:41.820 And you know,

01:20:43.140 my,

01:20:43.440 my two cents is,

01:20:44.260 is virtually meaningless.

01:20:45.320 Um,

01:20:46.880 but I,

01:20:47.340 I,

01:20:47.580 the lens that I look at this through that makes sense is like,

01:20:49.700 Oh,

01:20:50.520 you selected us for some PR baby.

01:20:52.360 And it went awry.

01:20:54.300 I,

01:20:54.760 you know,

01:20:55.260 that's,

01:20:55.540 that's my own.

01:20:56.040 So yeah,

01:20:56.380 I,

01:20:56.580 I,

01:20:56.900 but you're absolutely right.

01:20:57.880 And everybody was miserable.

01:21:00.660 I had a good time,

01:21:01.780 but everybody was miserable.

01:21:03.400 I went to the bathroom twice.

01:21:04.560 Yeah.

01:21:04.960 If I don't smile,

01:21:06.720 if I don't smile while I'm wearing an Indiana Jones outfit,

01:21:09.360 I am an asshole of magnificent proportions.

01:21:11.720 I,

01:21:12.160 you cannot frown while you're dressed like,

01:21:14.340 uh,

01:21:14.680 Harrison Ford in one of his,

01:21:15.760 you know,

01:21:16.180 greatest films ever.

01:21:17.220 When I first,

01:21:17.900 when I clicked on the link of top,

01:21:19.000 top sent me the link to the,

01:21:20.060 to the YouTube channel.

01:21:21.080 The first thing I did was laugh out loud because I saw how you were

01:21:23.480 dressed.

01:21:24.000 Then the second thing I did was like,

01:21:25.360 Whoa,

01:21:25.980 Albrino looks freaking miserable.

01:21:27.600 It looks like he's doing like community service.

01:21:30.000 Yeah.

01:21:30.900 He was doing community service.

01:21:33.380 This was court appointed.

01:21:35.380 Um,

01:21:35.880 but yeah,

01:21:36.220 so I have,

01:21:36.660 I have another question,

01:21:37.500 a series of different topic because again,

01:21:40.480 the whole alien thing is not purely my lane.

01:21:43.060 I have,

01:21:43.320 you know,

01:21:43.440 I have interest in it,

01:21:44.280 but you,

01:21:45.220 you disclosure,

01:21:46.340 you keep talking about disclosure and from someone on the outside of

01:21:49.760 this looking in,

01:21:50.340 who's just only peripherally,

01:21:51.640 casually thinking about the alien thing.

01:21:53.940 I've been hearing about so-called disclosure for freaking my whole

01:21:57.500 life.

01:21:57.880 Oh yeah.

01:21:58.600 Me too.

01:21:59.140 20,

01:21:59.460 30 years.

01:22:00.740 Why is now different?

01:22:01.840 Because now when I hear people,

01:22:02.740 we're finally going to have disclosure.

01:22:04.140 I'm like,

01:22:04.360 whatever you,

01:22:05.060 it's like when I'm going to release the JFK files,

01:22:07.560 no,

01:22:07.880 you're never going to tell us what really happened.

01:22:09.960 Same thing with the Epstein files now.

01:22:11.440 So my question is,

01:22:12.840 you seem to think that,

01:22:14.020 and maybe I'm wrong,

01:22:14.980 that something is actually going to happen soon.

01:22:18.240 And why,

01:22:18.780 why,

01:22:19.080 why is now different than all the other 3 million times you said,

01:22:21.680 they're going to tell us the truth.

01:22:23.200 I would say the only reason it's,

01:22:24.920 well,

01:22:24.980 they're not going to tell us the truth.

01:22:25.780 That's for sure.

01:22:26.100 But the only reason that it's a little bit different than other times is

01:22:29.220 because of the production value behind the,

01:22:32.500 the,

01:22:32.900 the push for it right now,

01:22:34.420 right?

01:22:34.560 You have Elizondo and all of these high ranking,

01:22:36.700 uh,

01:22:37.480 Naval,

01:22:38.160 uh,

01:22:38.500 air force,

01:22:39.260 you know,

01:22:39.440 you name it,

01:22:40.000 all these officials on this documentary.

01:22:41.900 It is the,

01:22:42.920 it broke download records on Amazon.

01:22:45.500 20 million people saw it in its debut week.

01:22:47.920 Um,

01:22:48.920 that certainly does not mean that this is going to be it.

01:22:51.100 And I think that that's a great question.

01:22:52.640 And it's a fair thing to say that because we've never,

01:22:54.680 I mean,

01:22:55.320 we've been talking about it for a while.

01:22:56.700 Right.

01:22:56.940 And I'm sure as when you were younger,

01:22:58.800 you heard a lot about this as well,

01:23:00.800 but people have been going on the Joe Rogan show.

01:23:03.340 They've been showing,

01:23:04.260 I mean,

01:23:04.820 you know,

01:23:05.100 what's the guy's name?

01:23:05.940 Uh,

01:23:06.460 Bob's are,

01:23:07.200 he's showing how,

01:23:07.920 how these things work.

01:23:09.120 They're showing craft.

01:23:10.560 They're,

01:23:11.060 they're telling you this is on mainstream news.

01:23:13.060 So that's one aspect of it.

01:23:14.940 Another aspect,

01:23:15.980 I'm not,

01:23:16.260 these are not going to be in like ascending order at all.

01:23:18.500 Cause I haven't thought about it,

01:23:19.380 but,

01:23:19.580 uh,

01:23:20.760 silver gold,

01:23:21.880 that kind of monetary increase.

01:23:24.160 Uh,

01:23:24.620 yeah,

01:23:24.860 that signifies a disruption.

01:23:26.780 I wish I'd bought more.

01:23:28.780 Well,

01:23:28.980 in comparison with McCaw over in London,

01:23:31.900 uh,

01:23:32.720 coming out,

01:23:33.300 this was in the London time saying that,

01:23:35.500 uh,

01:23:36.000 the banks need to prepare for financial collapse because disclosure will cause

01:23:39.700 financial collapse.

01:23:40.680 And it's just,

01:23:41.420 this article just dropped the other day.

01:23:42.880 Whenever we're on the cusp of something strange happening,

01:23:45.280 silver and gold spike and money crashes and Bitcoin is crashing.

01:23:48.600 Now the dollar is in its,

01:23:50.220 in its state.

01:23:51.060 That's the way it is.

01:23:51.860 So you have those things.

01:23:54.140 And,

01:23:54.620 uh,

01:23:54.780 man,

01:23:54.980 there's one more point that I,

01:23:56.720 Oh yeah.

01:23:56.940 Yeah.

01:23:57.180 Uh,

01:23:57.660 I think what really sets my alarms off about disclosure this time,

01:24:02.740 there's two more things.

01:24:03.640 Actually,

01:24:04.440 number one,

01:24:05.120 the,

01:24:05.500 the ease at which our government right now is telling us about the

01:24:09.160 technologies that they have.

01:24:10.180 Like what number one,

01:24:10.940 what they just used in Venezuela.

01:24:12.160 Oh yeah.

01:24:12.940 These are things we've been speculating on this frequency technology.

01:24:15.760 It's like,

01:24:16.020 yo,

01:24:16.100 we used it.

01:24:16.860 Like we can do way more is what they're,

01:24:19.180 they're saying now.

01:24:19.920 You want a little brain bleed?

01:24:21.020 I mean,

01:24:21.660 listen,

01:24:21.960 they act today.

01:24:23.000 Actually,

01:24:23.320 they just revealed direct energy weapons on Twitter.

01:24:25.920 This is Jewish space lasers.

01:24:27.420 This is how they're telling us now to very disrespectful.

01:24:29.880 Strange.

01:24:30.220 The department of Homeland defense or something like that.

01:24:32.140 They're like,

01:24:32.740 they're like,

01:24:33.060 yeah,

01:24:33.220 D E W's.

01:24:34.000 And they're showing like cool little,

01:24:35.260 you know,

01:24:35.840 corporate graphics about how they use it.

01:24:37.840 My co-host anti-semitic remarks.

01:24:39.440 Well,

01:24:39.680 those from the record,

01:24:40.460 scrub those from the record.

01:24:41.320 Um,

01:24:42.280 so that is all there as well.

01:24:45.600 Um,

01:24:46.160 man,

01:24:46.440 I think Spielberg coming out with the disclosure day after,

01:24:49.640 uh,

01:24:50.080 somebody that was like his understudy.

01:24:52.000 but here's the biggest one.

01:24:52.920 The biggest one for me is the geopolitical ramifications along with

01:24:57.520 these like religious ties that we're seeing like about end of the end of

01:25:01.740 times and stuff that that's continue being continually being flirted with

01:25:05.500 us,

01:25:05.660 especially with the actions of Israel and what they're about to do.

01:25:08.200 They're about to like pretty much take that whole land.

01:25:09.980 So I'm like all of those things.

01:25:12.080 And I know that these happen all the time,

01:25:13.480 but all these things on the world world stage and then plus a government

01:25:17.640 documentary where they're telling you this stuff.

01:25:19.580 Yeah.

01:25:20.100 I'm just kind of like,

01:25:21.040 Oh,

01:25:21.500 and then you got some other stuff like Blavatsky that,

01:25:24.800 you know,

01:25:25.380 old bitch.

01:25:26.560 And,

01:25:26.640 uh,

01:25:27.020 they look to 2526 as being when aliens were going to be revealed.

01:25:33.160 Even Baba Vanga,

01:25:34.460 the old blind mystic woman also said that aliens were going to arrive in,

01:25:38.760 in the,

01:25:39.400 I think 2026.

01:25:40.580 I don't,

01:25:41.280 but to your point and you know what it's almost like,

01:25:44.280 you know how they have an antichrist in position for every season and

01:25:47.320 they never know when the time is going to come.

01:25:49.620 Um,

01:25:50.280 you look to like a Steven Greer or a David Wilcox or like any of these guys

01:25:53.940 who have been propped up to be like,

01:25:55.560 for a moment in time,

01:25:57.560 serious intellects that are going to lead the charge when it comes to

01:26:02.980 preparing the public for this sort of thing.

01:26:04.460 But then it doesn't happen because the time's not right.

01:26:07.420 And then those dudes go crazy.

01:26:08.700 Dave Wilcox loses his mind.

01:26:09.980 Steven Greer loses his mind.

01:26:11.620 Elizondo is the guy right now.

01:26:13.240 If it doesn't happen within enough time,

01:26:15.700 Elizondo is going to lose his mind.

01:26:17.080 And they'll just prepare another guy.

01:26:19.240 So I think what's happening though,

01:26:20.440 like to be honest,

01:26:21.520 and this is going to sound crazy,

01:26:22.600 but I think astrologically,

01:26:23.860 and I mean,

01:26:25.340 how else will I explain?

01:26:26.340 Can we stop saying astrologically and say Masorothically?

01:26:29.180 Masorothically.

01:26:30.360 Something is going on in this realm right now,

01:26:33.420 where all signs are pointing to the old gods revealing themselves very soon.

01:26:38.680 Like these people are talking about disclosure.

01:26:40.400 We're going to do disclosure.

01:26:41.180 You're not doing disclosure.

01:26:42.220 You're getting ahead of this because when they come,

01:26:45.300 they're going to come.

01:26:46.180 And I have,

01:26:46.620 I just feel like there are signs that let them know that like the time is not,

01:26:52.440 maybe it's not now,

01:26:53.200 but like the time is primed for now.

01:26:55.500 They could come now.

01:26:56.800 Yeah.

01:26:56.980 And they are doing a lot of stuff like just rolling the carpet out as if the time is now.

01:27:02.360 So I'm like,

01:27:02.760 that's why we're watching it in that way.

01:27:04.440 And I feel like that's why people are moving in this way as well.

01:27:06.380 I don't think they have as much control.

01:27:07.860 That's always the thing is like,

01:27:09.100 you know,

01:27:09.280 the nefarious satanic elites controlling everything.

01:27:11.980 They're not as powerful as people give them credit for,

01:27:15.460 but I think they are opportunistic as shit.

01:27:17.660 And they're constantly waiting for the correct alignment of world events and this and that.

01:27:22.960 And,

01:27:23.040 and,

01:27:23.400 you know,

01:27:23.560 they'll do it.

01:27:24.520 And after 2020,

01:27:26.100 we've been introduced to a worldwide calamity.

01:27:29.220 So that helped to prepare us an additional layer.

01:27:31.940 But to your point,

01:27:32.960 Ed,

01:27:33.260 this might not be it.

01:27:35.540 And if I was a betting man,

01:27:36.800 I would say it's not.

01:27:38.400 I would say so too.

01:27:39.780 So,

01:27:40.100 yeah,

01:27:40.800 I'm glad you brought that up because that's,

01:27:42.060 that's my thought about it is,

01:27:43.460 yeah,

01:27:43.620 they've been preparing for this forever.

01:27:45.380 Just like the antichrist.

01:27:46.060 They've always had someone on deck,

01:27:47.300 but they're not in control.

01:27:48.520 God is going to decide when this age ends.

01:27:51.800 And I think they're guessing that they're using their best guess.

01:27:55.160 And maybe they think,

01:27:55.620 okay,

01:27:55.760 everything's in alignment,

01:27:56.880 but God could like,

01:27:57.580 nope,

01:27:58.220 another five,

01:27:58.960 10,

01:27:59.160 20 years.

01:28:00.240 And if it just like with,

01:28:01.580 we talked about three,

01:28:02.240 I think like last summer we were talking about it.

01:28:04.240 And I think what I said was,

01:28:05.720 it was all,

01:28:06.500 all around the whole rapture happening in September.

01:28:08.780 I said,

01:28:09.360 if the rapture happens in September,

01:28:11.140 3i Atlas is going to be the alien disclosure.

01:28:13.500 If it doesn't,

01:28:14.300 then 3i Atlas ain't going to be in,

01:28:15.820 it's going to be nothing.

01:28:17.080 Well,

01:28:17.380 it didn't happen.

01:28:18.320 3i Atlas meant nothing.

01:28:19.920 I think they,

01:28:20.560 I think they were ready to say,

01:28:21.720 okay,

01:28:22.060 if people,

01:28:22.720 if this happens,

01:28:23.420 if this cataclysmic event happens and people,

01:28:25.880 Christians,

01:28:26.360 you know,

01:28:26.840 transform or disappear or whatever,

01:28:29.060 well,

01:28:29.380 here's how we're going to usher it in.

01:28:30.880 Well,

01:28:31.040 it didn't happen.

01:28:31.480 Okay.

01:28:31.680 Well,

01:28:31.940 what's the next thing?

01:28:33.860 So maybe it will,

01:28:35.020 maybe they're right this time,

01:28:36.240 but they're usually,

01:28:37.320 I think it's ultimately the goal.

01:28:38.840 And I,

01:28:39.380 and I think it is the,

01:28:41.840 probably the biggest deception.

01:28:43.180 And I actually agree with Albarino in that it's likely the Antichrist will emerge from this because I see people,

01:28:49.540 stripping away the biblical description of Jesus.

01:28:53.340 And instead,

01:28:54.440 you know,

01:28:54.820 they're,

01:28:55.100 they're worshiping a Pleiadian Jesus who wears like a blue suit with silver boots,

01:28:58.900 kind of a deal or,

01:29:00.380 you know,

01:29:00.580 new age Jesus or what have you.

01:29:02.380 So I can see that being set up over there too.

01:29:04.980 I wouldn't be surprised at all.

01:29:06.440 If the Antichrist does emerge from something like that,

01:29:09.120 let's say there is Pleiadians,

01:29:10.500 tall Nords,

01:29:11.200 the tall whites,

01:29:12.260 and,

01:29:12.520 and,

01:29:13.000 you know,

01:29:13.240 something happens and,

01:29:14.320 and all of a sudden it is revealed that Jesus was,

01:29:17.500 you know,

01:29:18.120 a Pleiadian sent from their star system to this,

01:29:21.760 you know,

01:29:22.060 I can see that happening.

01:29:23.420 It's not out of the realm of possibility to me because I understand that,

01:29:27.360 um,

01:29:27.680 alien abductee victims will come back with that narrative.

01:29:30.100 So it is evident to me that something,

01:29:33.220 some,

01:29:33.580 uh,

01:29:34.220 entity seeks to,

01:29:35.480 uh,

01:29:36.180 plant that narrative into the minds of these victims.

01:29:38.800 Um,

01:29:39.240 and I don't think that that's purposeless.

01:29:41.060 You know,

01:29:41.560 as an aside,

01:29:42.520 one of my proofs,

01:29:43.600 when I talk to someone who's not a Christian,

01:29:44.940 doesn't believe in Jesus,

01:29:45.780 I'm like,

01:29:46.020 here's one of my proof points.

01:29:47.880 Every,

01:29:48.300 everyone wants to appropriate Jesus.

01:29:51.840 Everyone,

01:29:52.440 oh,

01:29:52.520 well,

01:29:52.880 every other religion.

01:29:54.240 Oh,

01:29:54.340 we,

01:29:54.540 here's who Jesus really is.

01:29:55.760 You know,

01:29:56.100 Jesus is,

01:29:56.800 he's a Pleiadian.

01:29:57.780 He's an ascendant master.

01:29:59.120 He's a Buddhist.

01:30:00.200 He's,

01:30:00.660 he's a prophet.

01:30:01.740 He's a prophet.

01:30:02.680 He's,

01:30:02.900 he's Issa.

01:30:04.160 No one does that with Mohammed.

01:30:05.780 Nobody ever says,

01:30:06.580 oh yeah,

01:30:06.840 nobody wants to claim Mohammed.

01:30:08.880 Nobody wants to claim,

01:30:09.820 you know,

01:30:10.160 Buddha or Krishna or whoever.

01:30:11.840 It's always,

01:30:12.460 everyone appropriates Jesus.

01:30:14.740 Yeah.

01:30:14.940 So there must be something to it.

01:30:16.560 Yeah.

01:30:16.900 I mean,

01:30:17.180 there was a time where that was absent from the narrative.

01:30:20.060 And then all of a sudden they,

01:30:21.280 they started,

01:30:22.240 you know,

01:30:22.500 it was like,

01:30:22.840 I was saying that earlier,

01:30:23.900 the alien abductee victims,

01:30:25.380 they will always come back warning about some sort of coming calamity,

01:30:28.980 whether it's a polar shift or just,

01:30:30.740 you know,

01:30:31.040 this worldwide destruction.

01:30:32.480 And that the nature of it always changes throughout time.

01:30:36.380 And the,

01:30:36.780 and the prophecy that they're given never comes to pass.

01:30:39.660 But also there was a time when like Jesus was just absent from it and they were told that this is wrong.

01:30:44.720 And I think the evidence for Christ became so overwhelming that now alien abductee victims will get Jesus,

01:30:50.420 but he's,

01:30:51.140 you know,

01:30:51.700 a Pleiadian silver boot wearing,

01:30:54.060 uh,

01:30:54.400 ascended mask.

01:30:55.000 So the last thing,

01:30:55.860 cause I'm actually probably have to wrap this up,

01:30:57.380 um,

01:30:57.920 pretty soon.

01:30:58.360 It was that,

01:30:58.840 cause you guys talked a little bit about out of body experiences and I'm not here to tell anyone what they have or haven't seen.

01:31:05.720 I mean,

01:31:05.920 I,

01:31:06.060 I don't know,

01:31:06.800 but when,

01:31:07.340 well,

01:31:07.580 when I have encountered people who've had an out of body experience and they say they see Jesus,

01:31:11.400 I always ask,

01:31:11.960 what did he look like?

01:31:13.500 And it's interesting.

01:31:14.120 Yeah.

01:31:14.580 And if they always,

01:31:15.260 if they say something like,

01:31:16.040 Oh,

01:31:16.140 why he was just,

01:31:16.660 you know,

01:31:16.760 he was just light.

01:31:17.560 I couldn't really say,

01:31:18.260 okay,

01:31:18.620 I can deal with that.

01:31:19.740 When they,

01:31:20.380 because,

01:31:20.620 because Alvarino mentioned that there was a Catholic person who said they saw Jesus and what did he look like?

01:31:25.520 Cesare Borgia.

01:31:26.300 He looked like,

01:31:26.880 you know,

01:31:27.040 they had the goatee and the long hair and he was Caucasian.

01:31:29.560 Like,

01:31:30.000 I find it very difficult to believe that Jesus would present himself as a murdering rapist,

01:31:35.420 incest,

01:31:36.200 uh,

01:31:36.740 committer,

01:31:37.480 um,

01:31:38.320 who's Cesare Borgia.

01:31:40.120 I was listening to one recently where somebody said his skin was,

01:31:42.840 like,

01:31:43.400 uh,

01:31:43.680 like,

01:31:44.000 like bronze.

01:31:44.640 Like they were like,

01:31:45.280 it was like,

01:31:45.780 it was like hot golden metal or something like that.

01:31:49.080 I was like,

01:31:49.260 that's interesting.

01:31:50.260 I could buy into that.

01:31:51.540 Yeah.

01:31:51.920 But I want to wrap.

01:31:52.660 I just want to give a quick,

01:31:53.740 uh,

01:31:53.980 another quick commercial for my,

01:31:55.140 before we wrap it up about the spiritual warfare course.

01:31:57.840 Yeah.

01:31:57.920 Now that we've established that the spiritual realm is real.

01:32:00.240 Yes.

01:32:00.560 Maybe now it's time to consider how to defend yourself in it.

01:32:03.520 Right.

01:32:04.040 Yeah.

01:32:04.640 And so we've talked a lot about it already.

01:32:07.160 I think you,

01:32:07.640 if you're watching,

01:32:08.260 I think you have a pretty good idea of,

01:32:09.460 of how I feel about the spiritual realm and,

01:32:11.600 and that there are these dark forces there and that they,

01:32:15.360 you,

01:32:16.280 and they will attack you.

01:32:17.760 And then one of the things that I hear from Christians all the time is like,

01:32:20.420 why am I being attacked?

01:32:21.260 Cause you're in a war.

01:32:23.160 If you're in a war,

01:32:24.320 it that's like,

01:32:25.260 you know,

01:32:25.440 that's like being dropped in on,

01:32:26.740 on beaches of Normandy on D-Day and saying,

01:32:28.840 why are people shooting at me?

01:32:30.220 Yeah.

01:32:30.460 Cause you're in a war.

01:32:31.660 But the good news is you already have the victory.

01:32:34.540 You,

01:32:34.820 you are more powerful than the entities that are attacking you.

01:32:38.180 You just have to know how to,

01:32:40.460 first of all,

01:32:40.880 defend yourself,

01:32:41.680 how to go on the offensive for yourself and for your loved ones.

01:32:45.020 So that's my main message to anyone who is struggling spiritually.

01:32:49.000 You have the authority.

01:32:50.320 You have the victory.

01:32:51.260 You just need to learn to walk in it.

01:32:53.000 And our churches,

01:32:53.780 unfortunately,

01:32:54.400 they've done a very poor job of equipping Christians for the warfare.

01:32:58.620 First of all,

01:32:59.120 telling them that they're in a war.

01:33:00.580 You say,

01:33:01.060 Hey,

01:33:01.140 come to Jesus.

01:33:02.260 Believe that he died for your sins.

01:33:04.320 Yeah.

01:33:04.720 They didn't,

01:33:05.200 but they don't tell you.

01:33:06.180 Oh,

01:33:06.320 by the way,

01:33:06.620 you've just chosen a side in a war.

01:33:07.860 So yeah,

01:33:08.580 prepare to be attacked.

01:33:10.220 So you will be,

01:33:11.400 but you have the victory.

01:33:12.700 And this course teaches you how to walk in that victory.

01:33:15.560 As I said earlier,

01:33:16.340 you're going to learn defense.

01:33:17.720 You're going to learn about yourself,

01:33:18.860 your,

01:33:19.060 your unique.

01:33:19.700 Strongholds that the enemy uses against you and how to shore those up.

01:33:24.440 You're going to learn offense.

01:33:25.720 You're going to learn the,

01:33:26.680 you know,

01:33:26.960 the laws that these entities have to obey and that you use them to your advantage.

01:33:30.540 You're going to learn the special situations.

01:33:31.860 Like we were talking about before where,

01:33:34.220 you know,

01:33:34.340 this kind only comes out through prayer and fasting.

01:33:37.000 Well,

01:33:37.180 what does that mean?

01:33:37.840 That means that you,

01:33:39.880 you can't just say Jesus and they disappear.

01:33:41.700 Some of them are stronger than others.

01:33:43.080 They,

01:33:43.320 there are different classifications.

01:33:44.980 Not some of them are weaker.

01:33:46.340 Some of them are stronger.

01:33:47.060 And for the stronger ones,

01:33:48.220 you're going to have to do different things.

01:33:49.820 If you recall,

01:33:50.660 when Jesus encountered the,

01:33:52.860 the demoniac and Caesarea Philippi,

01:33:55.200 Jesus said,

01:33:56.740 come out of him.

01:33:58.360 Nothing happened.

01:33:59.620 Then Jesus said,

01:34:00.580 what is your name?

01:34:01.620 He says,

01:34:01.820 my name is Legion from your many.

01:34:03.360 Then Jesus could cast him out.

01:34:04.640 So even Jesus had to do some special tactics in order to get this,

01:34:08.820 this guy who's possessed by thousands of demons out.

01:34:11.200 So the point is,

01:34:12.060 we're going to talk about special situations like that.

01:34:14.900 Generational curses,

01:34:16.260 which are real.

01:34:17.120 And there's,

01:34:17.980 but there's a way out of it,

01:34:18.740 but they're,

01:34:18.960 they're legal.

01:34:19.860 These generational curses are these entities having a legal claim on your,

01:34:24.920 on your family that passes down to you.

01:34:26.860 But,

01:34:27.100 and it seems unfair,

01:34:28.680 but it's actually not if you,

01:34:29.380 if you understand how blessings and curses work and,

01:34:32.060 but you have the authority to,

01:34:33.520 to get out of them permanently.

01:34:35.680 You can,

01:34:36.300 you have the authority to go before the court of,

01:34:38.620 of God and plead your case and break those covenants.

01:34:42.060 And we're going to show you how to do that.

01:34:44.000 So those are the special situations.

01:34:45.460 And then lastly,

01:34:46.160 we want you to be generative,

01:34:48.440 to duplicate this,

01:34:49.440 to teach others what you've learned so that,

01:34:51.960 you know,

01:34:52.160 you start just like in any army,

01:34:53.500 you start to take back ground.

01:34:55.240 So that's what it's all about.

01:34:57.040 You can sign up for,

01:34:59.020 to start getting the preparatory emails,

01:35:01.120 which are starting to go out already.

01:35:02.840 And if it's something you're interested in,

01:35:05.040 please join us in April,

01:35:05.940 myself and John,

01:35:07.480 you're going to have a ton of,

01:35:08.580 of amazing,

01:35:09.640 not just,

01:35:10.260 not just our teaching and our,

01:35:13.520 and the coursework and quizzes and all that kind of stuff.

01:35:15.600 We want to make sure you're grasping it.

01:35:16.940 You're also going to leave with a lot of material.

01:35:19.380 There's going to be,

01:35:20.080 you know,

01:35:20.300 a lot of books and handouts and charts and things like that,

01:35:22.680 that you will take with you permanently so that you always have that on your

01:35:26.240 side for the future and help others.

01:35:29.300 Quick question about it.

01:35:30.980 Cause I was just thinking,

01:35:32.100 at any point during this,

01:35:34.480 will the person that is dealing in the warfare,

01:35:38.560 like,

01:35:38.800 well,

01:35:39.840 it seems like you're going to have to talk with these entities.

01:35:42.640 Like if you have to ask,

01:35:43.760 if there's one that I got to know your name to get you out,

01:35:46.060 then I got to talk to you.

01:35:47.040 And this thing will respond.

01:35:48.480 Like,

01:35:49.220 I assume you're going to go through how we,

01:35:51.760 how we should be talking to these things because I'm not,

01:35:55.160 I don't want to do this.

01:35:57.280 Yeah.

01:35:57.760 And you will.

01:35:58.980 Yes.

01:35:59.240 We will talk about how to talk to them.

01:36:00.980 There is a very specific way to talk to them.

01:36:02.840 And this isn't like,

01:36:03.800 you know,

01:36:04.040 some arcane secret that we can't know.

01:36:05.920 Jesus already told us how we just need to learn.

01:36:09.420 Cause sometimes we,

01:36:10.300 we,

01:36:10.400 we read the narratives in the gospel and they're,

01:36:12.520 you know,

01:36:12.620 they're great stories,

01:36:13.500 but we don't really break down how here's a tactic that Jesus used.

01:36:17.000 Jesus talked to these entities in a certain way.

01:36:19.700 He,

01:36:20.320 that he did not talk to say that,

01:36:21.760 other earthly enemies,

01:36:22.880 like the Pharisees.

01:36:23.580 He didn't talk to the Pharisees the same way he talked to demons.

01:36:26.700 And you,

01:36:27.420 I will also,

01:36:28.040 I'll give you a hint for free.

01:36:30.180 You do not get into conversations with them.

01:36:34.320 That's a mistake.

01:36:34.920 Which by the way,

01:36:35.460 Ed is pretty much what everybody's doing.

01:36:37.000 It's like,

01:36:37.220 let me get a Ouija board.

01:36:38.420 Let me have,

01:36:38.920 let me make an AI friend.

01:36:40.260 Let me talk to these things.

01:36:41.180 So like the conversations limited business only.

01:36:43.420 Yes.

01:36:43.900 Yes,

01:36:44.240 exactly.

01:36:44.740 Look,

01:36:44.960 when Jesus was dealing with Satan,

01:36:46.700 when Satan was tempting him,

01:36:47.860 Jesus didn't get into a conversation with him.

01:36:49.780 If you want to know,

01:36:50.380 get a hint on how,

01:36:52.180 how to do that functionally,

01:36:53.620 look at how Jesus talked to Satan.

01:36:55.840 But again,

01:36:56.180 we're going to get into the step-by-step.

01:36:57.500 So it's not,

01:36:57.920 you won't have to guess.

01:36:59.020 And we're going to tell you exactly how to speak to them because yes,

01:37:01.620 spiritual warfare is done through words.

01:37:03.240 It's like when the homeless guy in the city says,

01:37:05.440 where I could tell you where you got those shoes.

01:37:07.700 Yeah.

01:37:08.040 And you just keep walking.

01:37:09.300 You say,

01:37:09.480 don't,

01:37:09.720 don't,

01:37:09.980 nope,

01:37:10.180 no,

01:37:10.320 no,

01:37:10.340 thank you.

01:37:10.980 Don't open that door.

01:37:12.120 Yep.

01:37:12.460 Yeah,

01:37:12.620 exactly.

01:37:13.540 Man.

01:37:14.000 And thank you again for coming on another great episode.

01:37:17.040 We'll just,

01:37:17.620 I'll put up faith by reason on the screen again.

01:37:20.000 People should be going here,

01:37:21.200 going here,

01:37:21.660 checking this out.

01:37:22.840 And you should also,

01:37:24.320 also be going to his Patreon and subscribing there.

01:37:27.220 I'm hoping that you've gotten more subscribers,

01:37:29.320 since your appearance on Merkle show.

01:37:32.000 I've got guys after this episode,

01:37:33.440 go check that out and then go subscribe to Ed's,

01:37:35.620 Ed's platform.

01:37:36.440 I got a lot of subscribers and I got a ton,

01:37:38.360 a ton of people signing up for their spiritual warfare.

01:37:41.480 Pre,

01:37:42.040 pre-registration.

01:37:44.020 And so,

01:37:44.740 but what I do want to say is that there are limitations on how many we're

01:37:48.580 going to take initially,

01:37:49.540 because we're going to be live once a month.

01:37:52.140 And after a while,

01:37:52.960 it's just,

01:37:53.360 it's not going to be in your best interest.

01:37:54.980 If you come in five months in,

01:37:56.700 you're not going to,

01:37:57.480 you won't be ready for what we're talking about at that,

01:37:59.300 point.

01:37:59.540 So you're not going to get the full value.

01:38:00.880 So we're going to cut it off because we're not,

01:38:02.040 not trying to just take your money.

01:38:04.140 We want to make sure you're getting the most out of this.

01:38:05.740 So if you come in in month five,

01:38:07.560 you're just new and we're talking about stuff that's advanced,

01:38:10.840 it's not going to do you any good.

01:38:12.040 So we'd rather say,

01:38:13.220 you know,

01:38:13.340 just come back.

01:38:14.020 We'll do it again next year.

01:38:15.300 Come back then.

01:38:16.100 So you get the full experience.

01:38:17.560 So that,

01:38:18.220 that said,

01:38:18.780 sign up as soon as you can.

01:38:20.620 Because we,

01:38:21.220 there will be a time where we'll say,

01:38:22.700 okay,

01:38:22.840 we've gone too far and it's not,

01:38:24.960 we can't take any more new people because it's not because of us,

01:38:27.780 because we don't think it'll be beneficial to you at this point.

01:38:30.160 Yeah.

01:38:30.260 You don't want to join a class in the middle of the semester.

01:38:32.460 Also,

01:38:32.620 I mean,

01:38:32.880 even something you guys will have probably considered is like scale,

01:38:36.580 like the problem of the modern day churches,

01:38:39.020 you had a preacher passing a,

01:38:40.540 a preacher speaking to 300 people.

01:38:43.720 And Jesus had 12 disciples,

01:38:46.180 you know,

01:38:46.360 Jesus had 12 of them.

01:38:47.620 And it's like,

01:38:48.100 got to consider that how much effect these people have.

01:38:51.980 And then that comes with the price barrier because right now you need to

01:38:56.160 filter out the people who actually mean it.

01:38:58.080 This is just pure economics.

01:39:00.040 Yeah.

01:39:00.200 Yes,

01:39:00.360 it is.

01:39:00.740 It absolutely is.

01:39:01.760 It's time too.

01:39:02.680 I mean,

01:39:02.840 it's a lot of time.

01:39:03.920 It's a course you said 12 months.

01:39:05.940 It's,

01:39:06.300 it's a ton of time and you know,

01:39:08.380 it's,

01:39:08.900 and we'll know you're serious because again,

01:39:09.880 like I said,

01:39:10.200 there,

01:39:10.400 there is,

01:39:10.900 you know,

01:39:11.120 it's,

01:39:11.500 it's not free.

01:39:12.280 It's a,

01:39:12.580 it's a,

01:39:12.920 it's,

01:39:13.340 you know,

01:39:13.960 and if you want it,

01:39:14.600 great.

01:39:14.760 If you don't,

01:39:15.220 you know,

01:39:15.440 no harm,

01:39:15.960 no foul.

01:39:17.060 Yeah.

01:39:17.400 You know,

01:39:17.540 you can still go to my Patreon.

01:39:18.660 You can still ask me questions there.

01:39:20.060 If you're a patron,

01:39:20.880 which is,

01:39:21.140 you know,

01:39:21.600 inexpensive and I'll be happy to help to the degree I can.

01:39:25.120 But again,

01:39:25.620 this course is something completely different.

01:39:27.440 By the way,

01:39:27.680 as part of the course,

01:39:28.580 you will automatically be at a top tier patron because,

01:39:31.220 you know,

01:39:31.440 that'll be part of it because you'll,

01:39:33.940 you'll get,

01:39:34.280 there's a lot of benefits.

01:39:35.120 You,

01:39:35.220 you will get your money's worth or just live with the demons or just

01:39:39.200 get impressed.

01:39:41.960 You can keep having your,

01:39:43.040 you can keep having your Satan use your wife against you.

01:39:45.860 And thank you for coming on,

01:39:51.020 man,

01:39:51.160 guys,

01:39:51.460 great episode and enjoy your weekend until next time.

01:39:55.340 Don't forget to obey,

01:39:56.680 submit and comply.

01:39:57.820 We'll see you later.

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Nephilim Death Squad - January 24, 2026

Is the Spiritual Realm a Lie w⧸ Ed Mabrie

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