00:05:20.460It's really just like cayenne pepper and vinegar and a couple other ingredients.
00:05:24.020And I realized like, yeah, Frank's actually tastes really good.0.97
00:05:27.860yeah for real um i you know i've for a long time i veered away from anything spicy i was like fuck0.99
00:05:34.280that shit i don't want that i don't want to burn my tongue while i'm trying to enjoy a meal0.98
00:05:39.860and then just like you i was doing i was doing this weight loss journey and um i was seeing this0.99
00:05:46.560girl and she's like you know i cut out bread and started uh just putting hot sauce on everything
00:05:52.900i was like really hot sauce and she's like yeah and then i started so that's what and then i
00:05:56.880i fell in love with hot sauce and now i make my own i first i started with uh uh the the one that
00:06:03.340i call uh hot lemon squeeze and i put started making that with like as my buffalo hot my chicken
00:06:10.280buffalo my buffalo chicken sauce um you know for game day or watching football or whatever just
00:06:16.900like a a midnight snack or something and um and then somebody told me oh i think somebody was
00:06:24.380like you should go uh you should go to some of these events and vend i'm like i don't have
00:06:29.260anything to vend and they're like you don't like do anything or i was like well i make a hot sauce
00:06:34.120and they're like you should bottle that and and sell that and that's kind of how uh the hot sauce
00:06:39.540was born out of that that's cool that's awesome usually like man there's a lot of people that do
00:06:45.960uh like third party stuff yeah um making your own is always a cool move yeah it's it's cool when
00:06:51.820someone's like no no i like how this shit tastes so i do it myself i mean we literally are in a
00:06:56.160coffee shop one of these days we're gonna have a nephilim uh death squad brand of coffee oh yeah0.98
00:06:59.880no soon yeah we're working on it yeah we're working with someone uh doing that oh very cool
00:07:03.860very cool so i don't even know what the fuck goes out on my own show um so all right man this is uh
00:07:08.480i'm excited to get into this because truth be told you know we so we do chronicles and we get0.85
00:07:14.800these emails and um you know we're trying to do our best presenting people's testimony but we are
00:07:23.600terrible people so oftentimes we do a really bad job of that and it's actually like you'll spend
00:07:29.42090 percent of the time complaining about the jews or something and 10 percent of the time actually
00:07:34.780reading the testimony and um and so but but people's testimony people's stories uh about
00:07:41.100the supernatural I find are a great thing to help other people in their walk because a lot of people
00:07:49.060have a lot of weird things happen to them and they don't really know what to do with it and
00:07:53.380typically they just keep it inside myself I found that seeking out others testimony and listening
00:08:01.800to that helped me in my own walk helped me to come to Christ and I think that one of the worst
00:08:08.800things that we can do is uh i don't think anybody can hear that i don't know what that was um one
00:08:16.540of the worst things we can do is keep that inside and not share it because it's it's it's such a
00:08:22.880hard hard thing to kind of present to the public you know because we live in this absolutely yeah
00:08:27.640we live in a society where you really can't talk about these things and so um i'm eager to get into
00:08:31.880your stories and i think that the best place to start if you're up to it is um is childhood i
00:08:38.600mean what i imagine that based off of our previous conversation that's kind of where this started for
00:08:42.840you yeah absolutely um the very as far back as i can remember as being the first probably the first
00:08:53.720encounter i had is um it was a we were living in the mountains in vermont at the time i was probably
00:09:01.000four or five and um we had just got done watching ghostbusters 2 and my sister had gone into her
00:09:08.780room and she came out flipping out she's like there's a witch there's there's a witch in my uh
00:09:13.660my my my window and my mom's like there's no such thing as witches blah blah blah um my sister
00:09:20.620recalls it as a face and i was like well i remember you saying witch and she's like no i just remember0.97
00:09:25.980there being a face in my window i was like regardless that's still scary as fuck especially0.93
00:09:30.480two little children because she's a year and a half younger than me so anyway uh i like four or0.75
00:09:38.480five i think okay so she was she had to be like three um which is honestly um not a lot of people
00:09:46.440remember remember anything from like that area of of life but you know what i find kev is the people
00:09:54.160that do typically remember something supernatural yeah like if you didn't think supernatural back
00:10:01.280then then you you are might be inclined to say i don't have any memories from that young but if you
00:10:06.580are inclined to say i have memories from that young it's typically of something very strange
00:10:11.000yes yeah um so anyways uh my dad had just gotten home like as this is happening and he goes into
00:10:20.660her room and he's trying to console her make her feel better he's like i'm gonna send superheroes
00:10:26.020outside to watch over the house that kind of thing and i walked i just get done brushing my
00:10:31.960teeth and i walk to the down the hall into my bedroom i'm standing in the doorway of my bedroom
00:10:37.660and directly across from the doorway is like a double window so two windows like right next to
00:10:44.920each other and i see these two figures that were darker than the darkness um it's pitch black
00:10:52.160outside and i could still make out these two figures going flying by my window and in my brain
00:10:59.060you know my sister being like there's a witch in my window i i'm seeing these two figures0.95
00:11:03.980as these two witches flying around the house on brooms just going
00:11:08.180you're seeing this yeah like i'm like i can't tell that what they are i just know that they're
00:11:17.780figures but because my my sister had said witches i'm just like there's two witches flying around
00:11:23.820the house and broomsticks you know but like when i saw it i was like oh my god and i just turned
00:11:29.140around and went back to the living room sat on the couch and in the light um where i knew that
00:11:34.020it was safe where people could see me and i didn't go back and then my dad comes out and he's like
00:11:39.360what are you doing and i didn't even think to tell him i was just like oh just i don't want to go to0.87
00:11:43.600bed he's like get the fucking bed and so i went to bed and like nothing ever happened again that0.97
00:11:49.700that night in particular but i will say we were in a trailer on the side of a mountain and that0.99
00:11:56.780being said like the trailer wasn't on flat ground so it had to be raised a little bit
00:12:01.280so to even put a face in the window you had to be significantly tall um because i remember there
00:12:09.360being quite a foundation and quite a bit of steps to get to our front porch too this is and for the
00:12:15.740you could for the audience i want to tell people that you are and at this time i'm imagining you
00:12:21.020still are you're in appalachia yeah and there's no short like that is it's just a weird mountain
00:12:30.140um and so many stories come out of there so many strange things i saw something recently where
00:12:36.420somebody was clearing like sort of almost like bramble bushes from their yard and there was
00:12:42.100a naked old woman standing in the in the thorn bushes but like behind them and the guys go and
00:12:52.300look she's right there and you can barely see her but through one of the holes in the bush
00:12:57.960you can see her eye and then she moves and you can see enough of her face that you realize this
00:13:03.120is an old woman and then you can kind of see through enough of the bush that you realize
00:13:07.240she's naked and she's not she's not in distress dude she's watching this guy and like so there
00:13:16.040is no shortage of are all of your experience you've lived there your whole life right Appalachia
00:13:20.560yeah so um to put it in perspective for people that don't know Appalachia runs from
00:13:27.880uh maine all the way to georgia so you you got the mountains all the way through
00:13:34.060new england new york virginia uh the carolinas all the way to georgia
00:13:40.180that's that's quite a while yeah yeah i think that's called the um that's the appalachia trail
00:13:47.200right so that that does you know people i know people that have like hiked it and such yeah it
00:13:51.440stretches oh yeah that are all along the east coast practically yeah and uh the once you get
00:13:57.260to maine you're not you're not seeing any civilization anymore so yeah um the it's like
00:14:03.740called the 100 100 miles of wilderness stretch um for for the trail specifically so like when
00:14:12.100you're on the trail once you get into maine you're you're not seeing anybody you're not there's you're
00:14:17.380far away from society once you're out there so and then that's my mind when you're saying
00:14:23.780you know my sister thought she saw a witch and then i'm seeing something and and you know she
00:14:29.320saw a face in the window and all these other things like you're you're you're in the thick
00:14:33.540of it you're in the place where none of these things are surprising maybe if you're not familiar
00:14:38.620with these types of stories but once you start to you just find like if you listen to any kind
00:14:43.120of testimony in the body of strange supernatural natural testimony i i wonder what percentage
00:14:50.400come from appalachia gotta be north of like 50 60 percent oh for sure i 100 agree and the most
00:14:58.560most of the people that i talk to are from this area too um so especially like when i go vend or
00:15:05.500something like that people will come up to me like oh you have a podcast and i go yeah like
00:15:09.740what is it about and i go ghosts freaking cryptids anything freaking weird fringe0.64
00:15:17.600conspiracies all that all that shit and they're like i had a really weird experience and i go oh0.87
00:15:24.140yeah i bet you did are you from this area and they're like yeah well there you go just kind0.89
00:15:29.960of goes hand in hand yeah people don't were you in the woods yeah it's like um you know you're
00:15:37.340you tend to be a product if being a product of your environment is is true then like yeah people
00:15:43.280from that area they're they're gonna make supernatural podcasts for sure for sure um
00:15:52.220yeah and so that seeing these two um you know figures i've seen i started seeing figure after
00:16:01.780that it was just like shadow person after shadow person for the rest of my life um and we ended up
00:16:08.460moving from vermont to maine and um i started seeing them in my grand we were living with my
00:16:15.660grandparents and i started seeing them in my grandparents uh basement and they were not i
00:16:21.360mean they weren't doing anything they were just kind of like some of them would be like standing
00:16:24.520like this leaned up against a lolly column or crouched in the corner or something like that0.59
00:16:30.200and it was really fucking creepy my grandfather decided to build a bedroom down in the basement0.55
00:16:35.120and he ended up giving the bedroom to my older brother but he still had like a section of like0.93
00:16:41.480where he kept pools or like miscellaneous stuff that he randomly would need and every time he was
00:16:48.680like hey kevin go get me this or whatever down in the basement i'm like oh i don't wanna but so i
00:16:58.260did and then i would see like a shadow person every freaking time and i would start singing
00:17:03.940and i thought like this is in my kid brain i was like if i'm serenading them they will not hurt me
00:17:11.580so i would sing a song the whole time i was walking through the basement to get whatever it
00:17:17.020was when i got to the stairs and as soon as my feet hit the stairs i was like right up the stairs
00:17:22.940as fast as i could um and i don't know what it is about singing but i've i always and even
00:17:32.200to the to well i don't do it really anymore but into adulthood whenever i was scared i would start
00:17:38.900like humming a tune or i try and sing um to make it i don't know for some reason my brain
00:17:45.620told me that um ghosts will not hurt you if you're singing that's interesting i mean i i wouldn't be
00:17:54.360surprised to find out that there's something to that you know so much of this phenomenon has to
00:18:01.220do with um with kind of resonance and frequency harmonics play a big role in it and um you know
00:18:08.400it even talks about the angels in heaven are constantly singing holy holy holy right so there
00:18:14.180is this idea of music and i know that music can directly affect your mood i mean a depressing song
00:18:24.360a sad song can really pull you down into the dumps if you're if you're making a horror movie
00:18:30.440to create a suspenseful you know atmosphere you would use music that would lend itself to that
00:18:37.020and um and in fact it's not even just lend itself to it if you're watching a horror film and there
00:18:43.800is a scary moment the the soundtrack is a huge part of that it's a huge component to creating
00:18:49.340that that you know that feeling that ambiance um and i do believe that these things feed off of
00:18:58.740low vibrational energy they feed off of depression anxiety fear sadness these these elements um of
00:19:05.220the emotional spectrum so maybe there is something to be said about changing the energy you're putting
00:19:13.380off by doing something as simple as as singing a happy tune for sure um i will say that you know
00:19:25.620from the time of the first experience throughout the whole time up until my teenage years you know
00:19:34.720there was a whole lot of depression and and stuff like that you know i i'm i'm not gonna sit here
00:19:40.440and say that i had a terrible childhood but it wasn't great um there was a lot of aspects like
00:19:46.000as soon as my dad left it was like my mom just had this like eye for me like it was it was almost0.60
00:19:54.080like she saw my dad's face and just like fucking hated me out of you know the the four of us
00:20:00.080and um you know my little my little brother was the baby my sister was a girl and my older brother0.79
00:20:07.420didn't even have wasn't my dad's kid so i was my dad's first him and my mom's second but it was
00:20:15.000like um immediate like it was like an immediate switch i was treated completely different out of
00:20:21.420nowhere and so i grew up freaking i grew up so angry at the world um you know so i do think that
00:20:32.580a lot like during this period of time because there was there was a lot of things uh going from
00:20:38.600that first experience to my grandparents house we were already had moved several times um and then
00:20:45.640my dad was like zipped and you know my dad i love my dad you know i love my mom too because she's my
00:20:53.000mom but you know and i don't want to disparage either of them too much but um as soon as my dad
00:21:00.560left it was like i'm not a dad anymore kind of thing you know he's like he'd show up once in a
00:21:06.040while and he was like and he would do kind of a couple things with us or whatever but it didn't
00:21:11.140it's almost like it was like an obligation that's what it felt like more like he had to do it that's
00:21:17.440why he did if he could get away with not doing it he wouldn't do it that was kind of how it felt but
00:21:22.240like before he left we were like best friends and then he was gone that's rough do you think
00:21:28.480that anger um that your siblings felt the same anger possibly i i think my sister did um
00:21:37.800and my my i think my my little brother was a little bit too young to really understand
00:21:45.420the difference because it was shortly after he was born that so it was like 96 i think he was
00:21:53.160born in 95 um and as soon as he you know so my brother kind of grew up knowing that dad only was
00:22:03.200around occasionally anyway but i went from you know being with my dad all the time trying to
00:22:10.800do like we would we'd build uh snow forts we would build blanket forts and
00:22:15.360leaf we make leaf piles and jump in it together and stuff like that like we did a lot of stuff
00:22:21.300together and then it went from that to nothing yeah so it was it was pretty rough and my my
00:22:29.280sister felt it too um and like probably the first time i say this publicly you know at the time
00:22:40.960throughout this transition i was also being molested so that wasn't helpful either so
00:22:47.720i mean what you're touching on right now is like that's all childhood trauma in my experience
00:22:53.740these are the things that open up a lot of um i don't know how to put it i don't want to say
00:23:00.640portals but like these things get access to you through trauma and what are they called i think
00:23:07.620dr laura baker called them uh like alters oh that's interesting having alters within yourself
00:23:13.960yeah yeah and and that these things are created during uh moments of trauma and
00:23:20.980i know um for myself like my dad left when i was like three and even though i was still young it
00:23:27.700created a lot of that same kind of anger i was very angry as a kid for a really long time and um
00:23:35.340you know i also had a bunch of strange experiences when it comes to shadow people and this and that
00:23:40.980the other thing and it's like yeah man this is how they they get they get their talons in and
00:23:47.140then i think what they do from there is the very same energy they feed off of is the very same
00:23:54.320energy that they um they evoke in you so things will happen in your life and you'll be nudged in
00:24:01.620this direction or that direction and the name of the game is pushing you in a way that you will
00:24:06.900create the very energy that they feed off of absolutely i i agree uh you know it's like um
00:24:14.740it's almost like you have to go through this and then um whatever entity or you know say the devil
00:24:22.580or whatever it's like well now they are a little more susceptible to my suggestions
00:24:28.980yeah that's that's what it feels like to me so so and then through probably
00:24:37.220oh sorry go ahead no go ahead go ahead i was just gonna say like from like 13 to um my early 20s i
00:24:48.220was probably like honestly if my son didn't come along hey there would be a good chance i'd be dead
00:24:54.960or in jail so yeah i think kev that that your um experience is you know one of the things that
00:25:05.440you're very lucky i would say you're blessed to have come out the other end recognizing that these
00:25:11.360things are spiritual because a lot of people don't realize that it's spiritual a lot of people just
00:25:16.600have anger and sadness in them from you know the way that they were treated or the things that the
00:25:22.300world did to them. But I think without the spiritual implications of it, the fundamental
00:25:28.180difference is you don't realize that by staying in your anger, you're feeding something,
00:25:36.140something that is happy that you went through those things, something that is happy that you're
00:25:41.340living a self-destructive lifestyle and something that is happy that you're continuing to put that
00:25:46.580energy out there whereas if you know that this is a spiritual warfare thing you then can make
00:25:53.140a decision to stop feeding the enemy absolutely absolutely it's like um seeing yourself in the0.98
00:26:02.660mirror for the first time and you have fucking clown makeup on and you're like oh i gotta get0.98
00:26:06.900this shit off dude yeah so um but yeah it's like it's almost like um and it feels like a weight0.99
00:26:19.540and then you don't tell anybody and then you got you you're starting to and then you start0.99
00:26:25.160spiraling and then once you start opening up and really telling which is a lot of people people
00:26:29.700have a problem with opening up and especially publicly like like on here like what my show does
00:26:36.900and um you know there's a lot of firsts for me opening up as well telling my story
00:26:43.020um and and there's a lot of stories that i have that like make me sound absolutely like nuts and
00:26:52.740some of them i'm like did i really experience that i remember it being real i remember it that
00:26:58.100way but is it was it real and you know i question myself all the time and i think that's i think
00:27:04.380taking everything that happens um skeptically is is healthy um like i think we discussed this
00:27:15.800if i remember correctly when you guys were on my show about how not every just because something
00:27:21.560goes bump doesn't mean it's it's it's a ghost or it's supernatural you know sometimes it's
00:27:26.640sometimes there's a real real world explanation for it and i think that's a i think it's healthy
00:27:35.160to question everything that's why i say question everything at the end of every episode because
00:27:41.320you know who knows what is real uh reality is perspective based on your perspective so whatever
00:27:48.020your life experience is how it is going to shape your reality around your life so you've been you've
00:27:55.180been doing this show for a couple of years and i think you said you might been doing this for
00:27:58.900longer than us i think you said five years when we were on your show um what what are some of the
00:28:04.760things that you've discovered any stories that stick out to you or uh stories that overlap like
00:28:10.920that that fill in some of these gaps uh to the question that you had when you started this
00:28:16.580endeavor honestly i'm gonna say that since i i i'm coming away with more questions but i do
00:28:28.220what has drew what i'll say that there is a god element to all of this everything leads back to
00:28:37.640god um you know you got alien uh encounters shadow people ghosts cryptids whatever bigfoot
00:28:46.280anything you know and it you know a lot of these people they're they're scared out of their mind
00:28:51.700and then they're like in the name of jesus i rebuke you whatever it is doesn't matter what it
00:28:56.160is across the board bigfoot alien ghost shadow person they stop and they listen you know because
00:29:04.100so and the more i you know more the more i heard that and then i have my son in my ear going you
00:29:10.840know the way is jesus is the right way you know you gotta you gotta believe in jesus you gotta
00:29:15.300accept jesus in your heart man and like he's like sitting next to me just like in my like
00:29:20.360whispering in my ear he's like hey you know god's calling you god's calling you i mean he's not
00:29:24.680literally saying that but like he's talking about jesus constantly and um and then i'm talking to
00:29:33.100these people who are having these experiences and like i i use the name of jesus and it just
00:29:37.740stops and a lot of people are like well it's just the intent um but at the same time like
00:29:44.120i don't know it's it's a it's a weird thing so i would say what the connect a lot of like
00:29:50.980connection and overlapping thing would be you know god and and um it's brought me to to the bible
00:29:59.860basically is that's been a huge aspect of it for me too so um and when people say it's it's all
00:30:07.340about intent it's like well it specifically says in the bible that jesus's name gives you authority
00:30:11.640over these things uh so i guess that's just a strange coincidence but the more you look into it
00:30:16.520the more strange coincidences pile up until eventually it's like all right well i'm gonna
00:30:20.840stop treating this like a coincidence and i'm gonna start treating this like it's a real and
00:30:24.760testable aspect of of you know the world that we live in which is there's a supernatural war
00:30:30.440happening a spiritual war and that alignment with christ is picking a side in that war it's also
00:30:37.160picking the winning side in that war um you said before that there were these stories that
00:30:43.300you check yourself on which i've had those and i shared some of those with you on the show
00:30:47.840these things were like you revisit and you're like did that really happen and is that like
00:30:54.700i understand exactly what you mean it's a little bit hard to articulate but
00:30:58.760did that happen did it happen the way that i remember it happening am i telling a story
00:31:05.400or am i recalling a memory like what actually went down there and i i do that a lot i revisit
00:31:12.580these moments and i try to ground them in reality as much as possible because i don't want to get on
00:31:19.720and lie and and i don't want to um take something that's so important because it feels like it was
00:31:27.000this really important moment in my life and it changed the direction of where my focus was
00:31:31.000permanently right you too you're sitting in this chair you're doing these shows it altered you
00:31:35.240permanently so these are like anchor moments in our lives it makes sense to revisit them and just
00:31:40.380say like hey i'm a little bit sharper now i've got some new information let's revisit this thing
00:31:45.980and see if it still stands on its own two legs or can i tear this down and find out that it was
00:31:53.520bullshit um and of course for me those moments still stands let's talk about some of those
00:31:59.000moments for you what are what are some of those moments that you still revisit and you go like0.99
00:32:02.700did that really happen so i have several of those stories i'll give you the first i'll try and do it
00:32:10.080chronologically um so the first one it was shortly after i had i was i was nine i know i was 10 in
00:32:17.920the experience so it was almost about a year after i had tried to take my own life i tried i tried i
00:32:23.360attempted at nine um and then like i just it exploded after that like there was just experience
00:32:31.920after experience after experience and it was all shadow people until this moment and i was sitting
00:32:37.420on the swing set in the back of my grandparents house and i'm not i'm not really swinging i'm
00:32:44.360just kind of holding on the chains just kind of like rocking and i see something out of the corner
00:32:48.380of my eye and i just turn my head and there is a clear figure sitting on the swing next to me
00:32:54.880is an older man um probably like 30 ish so not really older but like obviously older than me
00:33:03.120i was 10. um but he was wearing a if he was he was wispy and he was see-through and he
00:33:08.640what i could make out was he was wearing a suit but it wasn't a business suit it was just like
00:33:15.040what it was just like i i go to i work in a cubicle kind of thing um it wasn't like a
00:33:20.560professional but yeah and i couldn't he his face was distorted and what i remember is he had
00:33:29.300something in his hand i don't remember this clearly but it was something stringy and what
00:33:34.240i equate it to is either he was eating a bowl of noodles or he was knitting like a sweater or
00:33:40.180something whatever and he had yarn or whatever it was was stringy down into his lap and um i
00:33:47.080i stare at him and i'm like kind of like frozen and he goes hey be patient and i'm like how about
00:33:55.260what he's like you'll know and then like it was almost like he just went to pay back to paying
00:34:01.360attention to whatever he was doing and then my head just like went down and i'm staring at this
00:34:05.840rock in front of me and what felt like hours was probably like two seconds and i was like it was
00:34:13.240like a sleep paralysis kind of thing where i wanted to move and i just could not make my body
00:34:17.640move and i'm squeezing onto these chains and then finally i slowly turned my head back over and he's
00:34:24.480gone and as soon as i know and realized he was gone i was up and inside the house and you know
00:34:31.220i think about that moment all the time because number one what do i need to be patient about
00:34:37.240and i think a lot of it is just life in general um and i think that was not only a message from
00:34:46.580the universe from the creator from god jesus whatever you you know whatever it what it whatever
00:34:53.220it is but also from ancestry um there's a part of me that you know i've told the story to
00:35:01.880another podcast i can't remember anyways um but he came back with well did you have any older men
00:35:11.300that you know passed away around that time and my uncle had passed away uh probably about two years
00:35:18.920maybe three before that and he had died um head-on collision with a tree he was drunk driving
00:35:26.580on his 25th birthday smashed his face i wasn't allowed to go to his wake because his face was so0.82
00:35:32.900fucked up right so they didn't want any children at the wake because of his face and so this0.96
00:35:38.540apparition thing face being distorted just kind of like was that my uncle kind of thing and um0.87
00:35:46.700when i think about it these days i'm just like and was that crazy or was i just like putting that
00:35:53.600into my head because of a tv show and i was thinking about my uncle at the same time like
00:35:58.820like subconsciously and i just didn't realize but what where'd that message come from be patient
00:36:04.760man i mean nine years what age was this i was 10 10 years old so so my son just turned 11
00:36:14.780and if he came to the to me and told me this happened last year i would i would take it
00:36:22.840pretty seriously because i understand the sentience of a 10 year old like i know he's
00:36:29.180pretty well there yeah sure he might get a little spacey i might tell him to do something he might
00:36:33.360forget you know or whatever um but as far as the the linearity of his stories it's there i can ask
00:36:42.260him how was your day at school and he's going to tell me what happened at school and it's i don't
00:36:46.880have a problem you know because much younger ages it's like there's there's a real kind of
00:36:51.940difficulty in grasping what it is they're saying it's hard for them to lay it out in a way that
00:36:57.920is coherent that makes sense you know as far as like a timeline goes but 10 years old 10 years
00:37:03.740old I'm I'm I'm fine with whatever he's telling me at 10 years old you know I can read between
00:37:08.660the lines enough to understand what he's saying it's not even that difficult if he told me that
00:37:13.280a man was next to him on the swing I mean how far was this man literally like two feet two feet yeah
00:37:20.680I mean, he's not going to make a mistake looking at something that's two feet away from him and to come back and say he told me to be patient, you know, to come back and say he was wearing a suit and to even wrestle with the idea, like not a super fancy suit, but a suit like, you know, maybe maybe he was just going to work.
00:37:39.900i got i don't know what i would make of it but i would believe him i would believe him because
00:37:46.460he's he's far exceeded the age where i think when you're very little you know two three years old i
00:37:53.280think sometimes man some of that spiritual realm bleeds over into a way where little kids can see
00:37:59.200it catch glimpses of it and maybe it's here one moment and gone the next but not in ways that we
00:38:07.180can see it and so you know really hard to but a 10 year old i don't think that i in other words
00:38:14.660my son has come to me in recent years and told me about dreams and the dreams were concerning enough
00:38:21.760that i was like you need to pray you need to pray to jesus to send this thing away he had a dream
00:38:28.940for a while about a dog you know that was like speaking to him and he had multiple dreams about
00:38:33.840this same dog that was talking to him and it had like yellow glowing eyes and i was like
00:38:37.620yeah dog you're we're gonna pray about that we're gonna pray that that that thing goes away
00:38:42.400and um so yeah i mean if he told me that that's that's a big one and it's interesting too i think
00:38:49.640it counts for a lot what you think that means because honestly at the end of the day kev like
00:38:55.320you're not going to be able to have real answers for that and i think that spiritual ones are are
00:39:02.760like things that you intuit things that you feel and so yeah maybe you're right maybe it maybe it's
00:39:07.940about life yeah for sure that's i mean that that's all i can really put to it at this point
00:39:17.900is just be patient and you know things will fall in place things will fall in the line
00:39:24.020um the way that it's supposed to be what's meant for you will be with you or you know all that
00:39:31.100um and you know you don't have to you're not going to be like starting the podcast you're
00:39:36.920not going to be successful and i you know i never started it to be successful or to be0.55
00:39:41.340um big or anything like that i just do it because i love the conversations of it right um and i suck0.87
00:39:49.000at fucking marketing anyway so it's not gonna go like i'm fine with it the way it is it's totally0.78
00:39:55.320cool um and you know i'm still gonna rock it um but yeah i do i do i definitely think it's at least0.94
00:40:04.460if even if it didn't happen i have a cool story to say hey man just be patient yeah yeah i i like
00:40:12.980that too because a lot of the times when we're dealing with these experiences i can't help but
00:40:17.080wonder the nature of a thing like is this demonic and when i say demonic i just mean like does it
00:40:22.380have your best interests is it in alignment with god or is it deceptive in its nature and is it
00:40:27.820trying to like but i don't know i i don't think that your dead loved ones cannot appear to you
00:40:36.880in some meaningful way i mean obviously in the bible there are instances of that happening
00:40:41.360and i just don't think that spiritual experiences are totally on lock by the demonic realm i don't
00:40:49.300think they have um you know what what would be the the expression like i don't think they have
00:40:55.440they're the only ones that are able to interact with us in any meaningful way um i think things
00:41:00.600do get through both good and bad um i wonder sometimes about you know well i don't know but
00:41:05.880uh so you know it sounds like if you were to test the fruits of that
00:41:11.520is something appearing to you and telling you to be patient i struggle to see how that's bad
00:41:19.040yeah you know i think the only bad thing was the feeling of fear that was like the only bad thing
00:41:30.340out of that whole entire thing is because i'm you know i'm seeing something that you
00:41:34.200i don't normally see that i've never seen before and it's scary to me
00:41:37.960and it's just like a lot of things in life when you're trying something new for the first time
00:41:42.980it can be scary anyway so um you know it other than like it was a positive message um and so
00:41:52.740i just like to think that my uncle came and was like you know probably seeing or knows of
00:42:01.140what had been transpiring and it was just like i need to let him know and like the only words that
00:42:06.960could really come out was just be patient and you know and in my kid brain i'm just like
00:42:12.520you know maybe if i'm patient you know my mom will give me some candy tonight you know yeah
00:42:17.320in that moment anyway but as i grew older i was just like you know and i i think back on it and
00:42:25.200i was just like huh i think that's more of like a life philosophy kind of thing so it's definitely
00:42:31.220the more i'm for sure for sure um but so this this one came shortly after and um i recall this
00:42:45.580from a regression so i was doing i was in therapy we did like this regression uh thing where i was
00:42:52.080bringing where memories came out and when this came out my therapist is like well you know maybe
00:42:58.280you might be recalling a dream this might have just been a dream and it's coming out through this
00:43:04.740hold on as something that really happened and is probably just a dream so okay okay so so number
00:43:14.620one um so all right me and my sister so hold on pause real quick we're having some latency i want
00:43:21.920you to refresh your browser you'll come right back in and that should fix the latency but we
00:43:26.780want to get into this regression because i want to hear a lot i want to hear about like what this
00:43:30.180process is like sometimes this happens uh for the audience right it's like yeah we've been having a
00:43:38.140little bit of a delay with him anyway just like the internet gets a little bit screwy and all
00:43:42.100that other crap but you know he's talking about this regression therapy thing and that's something
00:43:45.880that you know i'm obviously very skeptical and cautious of not because i don't think that it
00:43:50.260will reveal things to you but it's like it's interesting that that's that was probably like
00:43:54.340funded by his like medical plan too i wonder oh yeah that's interesting all right kev can you hear
00:43:59.060us yes okay awesome and the latency seems to be gone because that was a quick response
00:44:03.860four seconds between it started getting worse and worse but now we're good so i i want to hear about
00:44:09.740this like the process of this regression as well because regression therapy is very fascinating
00:44:15.680and it's a tool that people use how did you end up in yeah how did that even come out that type
00:44:20.500of therapy because that seems quite specific not like a standard therapy yeah right uh so
00:44:27.500i was in therapy already because so my ex-girlfriend
00:44:34.280her and i went through some shit um and we we tried doing some couples therapy and
00:44:45.500at the end of the day it just we we ended up going our separate way so i continued doing therapy on
00:44:51.940my own you know and i'm like you know there's something wrong with the when i was a kid all
00:44:58.160the therapy that i did was it felt like there's something wrong with me and that i needed to be
00:45:05.300fixed and then the more at this time i was like i i just need somebody to talk to that isn't going
00:45:13.500of judge me or you know all that stuff so um we were doing this and i was talking a lot about my
00:45:20.160my childhood and i was just like i just feel like there's certain like spaces in my childhood i just
00:45:25.680can't remember um and the more we talked about like my childhood and there was all these gaps
00:45:31.960and stuff so she decided to uh she's like you know i've done this a few times you know we can do like
00:45:41.620this regression and it's more like it's more like a hypno like it's like she's they're trying to
00:45:47.220hypnotize you essentially right so you're just you're just kind of you're either laying you can
00:45:53.080be laying or you can be sitting still um you close your eyes and you get to think and there's
00:45:59.980usually like a ticking or something to that you know it's like and then eventually you don't even
00:46:08.080hear it um and you get put in this like catatonic state and she'll talk to you about a memory that
00:46:16.660you have where this blockage might be um and then you start you go through it and you you know and
00:46:24.760she recorded it i wish i wish um i had the recordings for you right now because i'd just
00:46:30.740play it for you um but so that's so that's the setup so this time i believe i was sitting down
00:46:40.420i don't think it was the time i was laying down because we did it a couple times and you know i'm
00:46:45.920sitting there and then my head kind of just drops and i can and i'm telling her this thing so this
00:46:52.300there was this one right before this happened i was talking about um i stood on the sink0.68
00:47:00.560of the bathroom and my mom decided it was uh an offense enough that warranted her choking the
00:47:09.160shit out of me so and then right from that story i went into this story of that makes me feel0.88
00:47:18.100like i'm fucking crazy so my sister and i i was i was sitting at the kitchen table0.97
00:47:26.900eating breakfast my sister's like you want to go outside and play and i was like uh you gotta ask0.96
00:47:33.100mom so she we asked mom she's like we got somewhere to be don't be outside too long
00:47:39.720so we're like let's go it's like so it's november or late october either way leaves
00:47:47.300are on the ground there's a light dusting of snow just very just enough to like put footprints and
00:47:53.380and and stuff in it and we're riding our bikes around and we used to do this thing where we
00:47:58.420would pretend we were hunting monsters or aliens in the woods together and we saw these uh track
00:48:04.040squirrel tracks going through the in the like the squirrel tracks are they're like three because
00:48:08.320their their front paws are together and then their back paws are are separate so it looks like three
00:48:14.280wrong footsteps i'm like oh my god there's an alien so we get our stick guns and we walk we
00:48:19.800start walking into the woods and we come across we're coming up to this creek and all of a sudden
00:48:26.620like my vision just goes like blue like almost like this the light in here it's like a bluish
00:48:32.500color and on the other side of the creek is this little village of mushroom people0.72
00:48:40.920and in the middle of their village is this big bonfire and they're throwing all these like little0.54
00:48:46.360twigs and they're feeding they're stoking the bonfire and they don't look like people that
00:48:51.700are mushrooms they're just mushrooms moving they don't have faces eyes nothing um and when i was
00:48:59.580eight i ended up getting uh glasses so this is i was 10 years old so i had glasses for about two
00:49:06.400years and I just feel like this nudge on my head and my head kind of goes like that and my glasses
00:49:13.240fall off my face and I feel something on my shoulder and I turn my head and there's a mushroom
00:49:18.660on my shoulder and like telepathically it said you don't need those glasses and I was like really
00:49:24.100and then he's like yeah and then right as he says that everything's back to normal my sister's
00:49:31.460standing there and my sister's like are you all right like i was like oh my glasses and she comes
00:49:37.340walking over to help me find my glasses and she steps on them and so i'm like immediately i'm
00:49:44.480pulled out of that whole experience i'm just like my glass i'm flipping out about my glasses so
00:49:49.940i run home um tell my mom my glasses are broken completely forget about this this these mushroom
00:49:57.280people and my mom's like well you have a appointment so i'm not going to get you new0.53
00:50:04.840glasses because your prescription might change and i'm not going to get you glasses back to back
00:50:10.580we were poor so right um a couple weeks later we go to the doctors um we do the eye tests and stuff
00:50:19.820like that um and he's sitting in his little swivel chair and he's reading the the results and he just
00:50:26.600kind of like swings around and looks at me he goes you have 20 20 vision you don't need glasses
00:50:30.840i feel like i've heard this and we're all like yeah i'm just realizing now because somebody
00:50:35.260you were on the confessionals right yeah okay oh i was like i was so so i was like this thing's
00:50:43.380making shit up no no no there is so much lore kev with like mushroom people inside of i don't know
00:50:53.660how how to how to phrase this it's like dungeons and dragons lore but but so much of that i don't0.98
00:50:59.360think is is just made up shit i think it's inspired lore somehow people are perceiving a
00:51:05.660thing about reality that um like these fantasy realms when they're talking about dwarves and0.99
00:51:12.760elves and things like that they're so complex and and the lore is so rich that i struggle to believe
00:51:20.860that this is just inspired make-believe shit from somebody's imagination right and then it's
00:51:27.980compounded upon by other people's you know input like there's something going on here with this i0.96
00:51:33.460have heard experiences with mushroom people and and it and the way that it kind of i mean somebody
00:51:39.800in the in the comments said it like the smurfs are i don't know what they are i don't know what
00:51:45.540that the smurfs are okay dude but there's like this tiny blue people you talked about seeing
00:51:50.940everything in blue um and and this like mushroom aspect mushroom aesthetic to everything they do
00:51:57.580i mean that's gotta what do you feel about that when you see that that lore mimicked yeah
00:52:05.220yeah i mean i i i feel like like like a fake kind of thing or elemental kind of thing and
00:52:14.880like we're living side by side this realm we just can't see it and for whatever reason it decided
00:52:22.540if this is a real story um it just decided hey i'm gonna let this kid in and be like dude you0.99
00:52:29.660don't need those fucking glasses retard why are you wearing them you know kind of thing0.99
00:52:34.080man do you think you ever needed those glasses or like what how do you make sense of that1.00
00:52:41.200i i i honestly i i don't know so what what prompted the glasses to begin with was i was
00:52:48.220having these severe migraines all the time it probably didn't also didn't really hope that my
00:52:53.880mom would just off the cuff let's slap me in the back of the head just bam all the time but
00:52:59.860i digress um i had migraines constantly i still do um now now but like my vision's perfectly fine
00:53:08.760but we went to when we went to get it tested my mom's like well you haven't all these migraines
00:53:14.520maybe it has something to do with your eyes so we go and my the doctor's like yeah you're
00:53:21.240you know your eyes need glasses and when um i can't remember what the was 2020 and i think it
00:53:30.360it was like 20 10 or 15 or something like i can't remember um at the time one of my eye my left eye
00:53:39.520was worse than my right eye um and so he wanted me to wear glasses and he's like you you need to
00:53:46.480wear them especially when you're watching tv or you're reading or writing he's like you make sure
00:53:53.740you wear so when when we went back and he's like you have 2020 he's like probably still wear them
00:54:00.720when you watch tv and when you read and write and then my mom's like he doesn't need glasses0.73
00:54:06.520i'm not fucking getting them so i never wore glasses again after that uh you know that's so0.86
00:54:12.860funny because i i they try to say my son needs glasses and i i go like i've never hear him0.96
00:54:20.120struggle about being able to see but he also will have like headaches and stuff occasionally
00:54:24.920um and then when we do get him the glasses he doesn't wear them so he's got them but he just0.78
00:54:32.960never wears them and um and i don't know i'm not a doctor i'm a retard but i go like i don't know0.80
00:54:39.640if you put like um i'm looking at glasses like putting a cast on something when they're really0.82
00:54:46.860young if their eyes are meant to continue like developing and strengthening these muscles and
00:54:50.860such like to put a a pair of glasses is to then acclimate their development to this new apparatus
00:54:58.500on their face and and then they're going to forever go off developing that way so like if
00:55:03.680he doesn't want to wear them and they just sit there and collect dust like i'm not so i'm not
00:55:09.000going to push him to wear them and if he's not complaining about headaches and he and he's never
00:55:12.960telling me he can't see stuff then i'm not gonna recommend the glasses but the doctors are like
00:55:17.780yeah dude put the glasses on i'm like i don't know about all that i think the doctors over
00:55:22.000prescribe stuff but that's interesting though because it seems like this little critter this
00:55:26.400little mushroom dude was maybe not so much healing your eyes because i recognize that's one way it0.99
00:55:33.020could be interpreted but maybe more so just saying like yeah you dummy you don't fucking0.98
00:55:36.900yeah need those you you don't have messed up eyes you just got a spiritual disposition0.99
00:55:42.680you've been smacked a bunch yeah yeah yeah i had to um i had a concussion so maybe that's why you
00:55:52.520know yeah dude that's i had a concussion due to from baseball and due from from my mom so yeah
00:55:59.100concussion so you got cte dog but like the yeah that same thing might be the reason that you
00:56:07.520could perceive them at all what and your sister saw nothing said nothing like what about this
00:56:14.020moment uh you know did she recognize anything at all did she remember she remembers being in
00:56:21.940the woods she remembers stepping on my glasses but that's about it and she's like if i did see
00:56:26.720them it wasn't significant to me so i'm not going to remember it the same way that you did she goes
00:56:31.720but i broke your glasses i broke chris's glasses i broke ryan's glasses i broke everybody's glasses
00:56:37.360because both my brothers wear glasses too um and they still wear glasses to this day i'm the only
00:56:42.820one that doesn't so um but yeah my sister's just like you know you were standing there staring and
00:56:50.020i was just like what is wrong with him so she doesn't recall if if they did allow her to see
00:56:56.520them too she doesn't remember it so maybe so like they talk about also aliens um like the greys or
00:57:04.860whatever they'll wipe your memory after they abduct you or yeah or whatever you know and then
00:57:09.020through like benny and barney uh betty and barney hill um you know he started recall they started
00:57:18.280recalling their abductions through regression therapy and so like they had their memories wiped
00:57:27.220to uh so that they didn't recall this and like i i don't remember this happening at all i don't
00:57:32.920even remember the the doctor's visit so check these guys out i want because you said can you
00:57:40.460put this on the screen top um the you said you specifically said they did not look like little
00:57:46.680people they look like little mushrooms like when you see this is literally dungeons and dragons
00:57:52.220lore like the first thing that i typed in when i typed in mushroom people it wanted to complete
00:57:56.460my sentence with dnd as in dungeons and dragons and um i mean this is a fully fleshed out
00:58:04.040component to that what is this what these things look like
00:58:07.460yes and in a sense i would say they didn't look like they had feet they did have little
00:58:16.060nubs they didn't have hands um but they did have like something that was grabbing
00:58:22.640the uh the little sticks but they were just it was just a stem and they would they were moving like
00:58:29.980um like just kind of like this oh that's so dude that's so funny like even to remember that detail
00:58:40.000oh wait i i've got a freaking an actual mushroom that my daughter made for me and at school so
00:58:46.400like yeah it's just it looked like this with like two little nubs one on each side and then it just
00:58:52.880kind of walked like this that's crazy man that's hey let me ask you any have you or anybody else
00:59:01.860in your family ever experienced like what you would categorize as alien abductions or alien
00:59:07.820interactions but not that i know of if they have they haven't told me um i do know my daughter was
00:59:19.140looking up at the ceiling one night when she was young saying that there's a black cat on the
00:59:25.160ceiling and it freaked me like she was like deathly scared she's looking up going the black
00:59:31.860cat's gonna get me and that's like the only like i could see that as being projected into her mind
00:59:39.700after she had been abducted or whatever but i'm not saying that she was but she doesn't remember
00:59:46.520it either this this particular thing and she was just kind of like i was moving her from the living
00:59:52.480room to her bedroom and that's when she just kind of like woke up sort of but not really awake0.98
00:59:58.320but other than that um as far as i'm sorry my grandfather doesn't believe in this shit0.93
01:00:06.940oh we're doing it's happening again yeah yeah you want me to do that refresh again if you want to0.86
01:00:13.420refresh it that's fine but in the in the future i'll just be more careful not to step on you go
01:00:16.800ahead and refresh it real quick um because when we were on his show we we had this discussion about
01:00:23.300generational iniquity. And before he goes into the next story, I just want to see what he
01:00:27.540says about that, like, you know, past relatives, what they were might have, you know, been involved
01:00:33.480with or, or anything like that. Okay, we got them back. There we go, Kev. Okay, sorry about that. I
01:00:39.240was I was stepping all over you. Because I get excited when I hear these things. And then I can't
01:00:42.920stop interrupting. But before we go on to the next story, I want to ask you on the previous discussion
01:00:49.200that we had with you we brought up the concept of generational iniquity um things that maybe
01:00:55.720past generations were involved in um what is that you know does that bring up anything in
01:01:03.480your mind when i say that well so i'm part native so the ancestry there goes back to like the
01:01:12.400algonquin the abenaki people you know the moon eyed people that they talked about the you know
01:01:19.180they had weird experiences where people were coming from like they'd call them the star people
01:01:24.140or something like that um and they they in a lot of of the tribe that i um descend from
01:01:34.500a lot of their lore is lights or apparitional things like so we got like the specter moose
01:01:44.420he looks like this he's like supposedly um he can be looked at as either a bad omen or a good omen
01:01:52.380which it really doesn't make any sense because it's just means that you know sometimes some
01:01:59.500people will have a bad experience after seeing it some people have a good experience but he looks
01:02:05.620like a light just as a moose like a white he looks like a ghostly moose that's portraying light
01:02:14.160and then they have all these they call them the ghost lights where these like and i think that's
01:02:19.000where stephen king got the langoliers from where these like little balls just floating around
01:02:23.640everywhere um but they have they have tons of stories but i from when i was doing when i was
01:02:32.300looking into it when i started um trying to see what their stories were from my ancestors
01:02:39.920There's nothing stuck out to me as like mushroom people or abductions unless you want to unless you want to say like the orbs and the moon eyed people and star people probably were abduction like alien stuff or, you know, a lot of religious people will just be like, that's just those are just demons.
01:03:03.340there was a episode of merkel's that i listened to where he had two um uh shamans shamans you know
01:03:13.980previous practitioners and they um they said that a lot of the work they thought that they
01:03:23.740were doing was good work and they had done sort of remote viewing or or even like skin walking
01:03:33.760this idea of like becoming something else and traveling to the underworld as some sort of an
01:03:39.780animal spirit and then while they're being able to find fragmented aspects of people's spirits
01:03:46.460and returning them to them to heal people seeing what they perceived as real results0.82
01:03:52.420So in other words, what I'm getting at is these people who are practicing Native American spiritual methods think that they're doing a good thing.
01:04:06.500Later on, after they come out of it and they come to Christ, they realize that they were being deceived and that the work that they were doing was resulting in temporary healings that were actually giving access to the victims that they thought they were helping and even themselves over to different spiritual creatures, different spiritual entities.
01:04:30.880um i think that the native americans were more than likely of the mind in fact i can almost
01:04:40.840guarantee they were of the mind that they were doing good things and that they were in tune
01:04:45.280with nature and that they were in tune with these spirits and that the magic and the witch doctors0.70
01:04:50.820and everything that they were practicing were necessary it was it was the natural way to heal0.97
01:04:57.800the spirit the spirit needed to be healed and these spiritual practices needed to be done
01:05:02.400um and i think that given what i understand about generational iniquity now oftentimes
01:05:08.840in our conversations it comes up freemasonry occult practices but all of these things are
01:05:16.220a form of of paganism so in my opinion i don't think it's outlandish to say if you come from a
01:05:23.260of native americans their practices would fall under the exact same category that these other
01:05:30.600pagan practices like you know freemasonry or like you know various occult practices
01:05:35.280would fall under so yeah man i think that those those things that they're doing they're giving
01:05:41.820access over to the spiritual realm um to their bloodline you know their bloodline being you
01:05:50.740your siblings um you know to me it just makes sense
01:05:55.380it does yeah it makes perfect sense um and i think they took because you know uh the tribals
01:06:06.980tribes and um even like the pagans and stuff like that they they used everything even like
01:06:14.780natural just natural remedies without ritual or whatever and everything was from the earth
01:06:21.180because everything we only need things that come from the earth so i think that's
01:06:25.940where they where they thought they were right you know what i mean and i think in that aspect
01:06:33.320possibly you know because now what do we now what do we have for uh modern medicine we're just
01:06:40.020you know pumping ourselves full of chemicals that aren't here naturally um but so i think they
01:06:48.100kind of like they wanted to like i mean it's already they're already uh given access to
01:06:55.500these spirits so they're like well let's say everything that they did was need needs to be