Nephilim Death Squad - NDS Chronicles ｜Shadow People, Mushroom Beings & A Shape-Shifting Coyote w⧸ Kevin Sapiel

00:00:00.000 With Squarespace, you can turn any idea into a reality.

00:00:04.000 That means that when you make a website with Squarespace,

00:00:06.440 you can turn your solo bird-watching walks

00:00:08.500 into a booked-out tour seeking the rarest species.

00:00:12.040 Or your backyard band practice into sold-out shows

00:00:15.140 and sold-out merch.

00:00:17.480 And your smoothest ski skills into a slope school for beginners.

00:00:21.000 When you make a website with Squarespace.

00:00:23.440 Squarespace. A website makes it real.

00:00:26.160 Use offer code MAKETREAL for 10% off your website or domain.

00:00:29.500 A thousand Top Lops and Productions.

00:00:59.500 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to NDS Chronicles,

00:01:26.740 this show where we read your submitted paranormal testimony if you have a strange story encounter

00:01:33.180 supernatural experience do you want to share with us you could send it via email to chroniclesnds

00:01:39.560 at gmail.com i am david lee corvo aka the raven that is top lobster the father of disinformation

00:01:46.120 before we get into this uh actual in person not in person like in person but with a person

00:01:51.780 chronicles in other words uh not an email we actually have a guest today for chronicles a

00:01:56.620 little reminder a great great place to support us patreon.com forward slash nephilim death squad

00:02:01.480 sign up there and gain early access to episodes ad-free viewing experiences access to communities 0.54

00:02:07.340 of dangerous retards on telegram discord and twitter as well as discount codes off of 0.94

00:02:12.480 merchandise from top lobster.com where you can get shirts made by top lobster hey there it is 0.91

00:02:19.320 i gotta make some new designs i'll make some new designs grandma maxing blap blap blap uh binaural

00:02:24.980 beatdown is always a fun one i like that one but also guys you're gonna get the link to uh tickets

00:02:31.440 to brohemian grove august 8th in wildwood florida come and hang and be a part of the fun for seven

00:02:37.600 grueling hours you will be subjected to uh really bizarre performances and interactions with some of

00:02:45.080 your favorite uh content creators people that have been on this show people that you know and

00:02:49.800 you love like bill and ted of the phone booth podcast donut doc brown of prometheus lens

00:02:55.040 podcast seth kickleiter steven of the biblical hitmen austin picard uh broadcasting seeds 6g

00:03:01.540 agenda ed mabry dr heather lynn the list goes on and on go and get your tickets at top lobster.com

00:03:08.380 joining us today uh for this a little bit of a change in pace on chronicles i mean we did this

00:03:13.800 recently but we're doing it again it is kevin from where the weird ones are we were just on

00:03:19.400 his show recently and had a fantastic conversation and i gleamed from that that kevin had a lot of

00:03:25.260 fascinating stories to share kev thanks for joining us before we get into it let's talk

00:03:29.820 about where people can find your podcast yeah absolutely uh first of all thanks for having me

00:03:38.040 uh the last time when you guys were on the show it was a lot of fun uh being able to talk with

00:03:42.960 you guys and hear your story so that was pretty dope um but yeah so the show is where the weird

00:03:48.940 ones are podcast um you can find it at where the weird ones are podcast.com um you can find me on

00:03:56.680 instagram where underscore the weird ones are and facebook where the weird ones are

00:04:03.500 and on the website is i sell so i do uh hot sauce um i make my own hot sauce i have a coffee company

00:04:13.560 and i also have supplements and i do short stories um i'm also working on a movie so i'm trying to

00:04:22.140 get into horror movies so yeah it's a it's a it's been a lot of fun this podcast journey has

00:04:28.980 uh opened up a lot of doors for me and i'm having a blast doing it so

00:04:33.680 outside kev outside of your brand of hot sauce what's your favorite hot sauce

00:04:38.200 oh man there's so many that i can't even anything hot if it if it's gonna if it's

00:04:46.540 gonna melt my brain that's what i want i gotta admit i'm a big hot sauce enjoyer but i've i've

00:04:53.120 moved away from the really hot stuff and i go more for flavor and i know people are gonna hate this

00:04:57.860 because it's like if you're a hot sauce enjoyer, you hate kind of the mainstream ones.

00:05:01.800 Cholula is really great.

00:05:02.880 Frank's is good.

00:05:04.140 Frank's just tastes good.

00:05:05.300 I've come to this place where I realized that Frank's Red Hot just tastes good.

00:05:09.260 It's a good tasting hot sauce.

00:05:11.080 I got into hot sauce really big when I was doing like the ketogenic thing because it's 0.98

00:05:14.120 one of the few sauces that makes shit taste better, but isn't loaded with sugar and all 0.97

00:05:18.520 the, you know, the goyslop. 0.99

00:05:20.460 It's really just like cayenne pepper and vinegar and a couple other ingredients.

00:05:24.020 And I realized like, yeah, Frank's actually tastes really good. 0.97

00:05:27.860 yeah for real um i you know i've for a long time i veered away from anything spicy i was like fuck 0.99

00:05:34.280 that shit i don't want that i don't want to burn my tongue while i'm trying to enjoy a meal 0.98

00:05:39.860 and then just like you i was doing i was doing this weight loss journey and um i was seeing this 0.99

00:05:46.560 girl and she's like you know i cut out bread and started uh just putting hot sauce on everything

00:05:52.900 i was like really hot sauce and she's like yeah and then i started so that's what and then i

00:05:56.880 i fell in love with hot sauce and now i make my own i first i started with uh uh the the one that

00:06:03.340 i call uh hot lemon squeeze and i put started making that with like as my buffalo hot my chicken

00:06:10.280 buffalo my buffalo chicken sauce um you know for game day or watching football or whatever just

00:06:16.900 like a a midnight snack or something and um and then somebody told me oh i think somebody was

00:06:24.380 like you should go uh you should go to some of these events and vend i'm like i don't have

00:06:29.260 anything to vend and they're like you don't like do anything or i was like well i make a hot sauce

00:06:34.120 and they're like you should bottle that and and sell that and that's kind of how uh the hot sauce

00:06:39.540 was born out of that that's cool that's awesome usually like man there's a lot of people that do

00:06:45.960 uh like third party stuff yeah um making your own is always a cool move yeah it's it's cool when

00:06:51.820 someone's like no no i like how this shit tastes so i do it myself i mean we literally are in a

00:06:56.160 coffee shop one of these days we're gonna have a nephilim uh death squad brand of coffee oh yeah 0.98

00:06:59.880 no soon yeah we're working on it yeah we're working with someone uh doing that oh very cool

00:07:03.860 very cool so i don't even know what the fuck goes out on my own show um so all right man this is uh

00:07:08.480 i'm excited to get into this because truth be told you know we so we do chronicles and we get 0.85

00:07:14.800 these emails and um you know we're trying to do our best presenting people's testimony but we are

00:07:23.600 terrible people so oftentimes we do a really bad job of that and it's actually like you'll spend

00:07:29.420 90 percent of the time complaining about the jews or something and 10 percent of the time actually

00:07:34.780 reading the testimony and um and so but but people's testimony people's stories uh about

00:07:41.100 the supernatural I find are a great thing to help other people in their walk because a lot of people

00:07:49.060 have a lot of weird things happen to them and they don't really know what to do with it and

00:07:53.380 typically they just keep it inside myself I found that seeking out others testimony and listening

00:08:01.800 to that helped me in my own walk helped me to come to Christ and I think that one of the worst

00:08:08.800 things that we can do is uh i don't think anybody can hear that i don't know what that was um one

00:08:16.540 of the worst things we can do is keep that inside and not share it because it's it's it's such a

00:08:22.880 hard hard thing to kind of present to the public you know because we live in this absolutely yeah

00:08:27.640 we live in a society where you really can't talk about these things and so um i'm eager to get into

00:08:31.880 your stories and i think that the best place to start if you're up to it is um is childhood i

00:08:38.600 mean what i imagine that based off of our previous conversation that's kind of where this started for

00:08:42.840 you yeah absolutely um the very as far back as i can remember as being the first probably the first

00:08:53.720 encounter i had is um it was a we were living in the mountains in vermont at the time i was probably

00:09:01.000 four or five and um we had just got done watching ghostbusters 2 and my sister had gone into her

00:09:08.780 room and she came out flipping out she's like there's a witch there's there's a witch in my uh

00:09:13.660 my my my window and my mom's like there's no such thing as witches blah blah blah um my sister

00:09:20.620 recalls it as a face and i was like well i remember you saying witch and she's like no i just remember 0.97

00:09:25.980 there being a face in my window i was like regardless that's still scary as fuck especially 0.93

00:09:30.480 two little children because she's a year and a half younger than me so anyway uh i like four or 0.75

00:09:38.480 five i think okay so she was she had to be like three um which is honestly um not a lot of people

00:09:46.440 remember remember anything from like that area of of life but you know what i find kev is the people

00:09:54.160 that do typically remember something supernatural yeah like if you didn't think supernatural back

00:10:01.280 then then you you are might be inclined to say i don't have any memories from that young but if you

00:10:06.580 are inclined to say i have memories from that young it's typically of something very strange

00:10:11.000 yes yeah um so anyways uh my dad had just gotten home like as this is happening and he goes into

00:10:20.660 her room and he's trying to console her make her feel better he's like i'm gonna send superheroes

00:10:26.020 outside to watch over the house that kind of thing and i walked i just get done brushing my

00:10:31.960 teeth and i walk to the down the hall into my bedroom i'm standing in the doorway of my bedroom

00:10:37.660 and directly across from the doorway is like a double window so two windows like right next to

00:10:44.920 each other and i see these two figures that were darker than the darkness um it's pitch black

00:10:52.160 outside and i could still make out these two figures going flying by my window and in my brain

00:10:59.060 you know my sister being like there's a witch in my window i i'm seeing these two figures 0.95

00:11:03.980 as these two witches flying around the house on brooms just going

00:11:08.180 you're seeing this yeah like i'm like i can't tell that what they are i just know that they're

00:11:17.780 figures but because my my sister had said witches i'm just like there's two witches flying around

00:11:23.820 the house and broomsticks you know but like when i saw it i was like oh my god and i just turned

00:11:29.140 around and went back to the living room sat on the couch and in the light um where i knew that

00:11:34.020 it was safe where people could see me and i didn't go back and then my dad comes out and he's like

00:11:39.360 what are you doing and i didn't even think to tell him i was just like oh just i don't want to go to 0.87

00:11:43.600 bed he's like get the fucking bed and so i went to bed and like nothing ever happened again that 0.97

00:11:49.700 that night in particular but i will say we were in a trailer on the side of a mountain and that 0.99

00:11:56.780 being said like the trailer wasn't on flat ground so it had to be raised a little bit

00:12:01.280 so to even put a face in the window you had to be significantly tall um because i remember there

00:12:09.360 being quite a foundation and quite a bit of steps to get to our front porch too this is and for the

00:12:15.740 you could for the audience i want to tell people that you are and at this time i'm imagining you

00:12:21.020 still are you're in appalachia yeah and there's no short like that is it's just a weird mountain

00:12:30.140 um and so many stories come out of there so many strange things i saw something recently where

00:12:36.420 somebody was clearing like sort of almost like bramble bushes from their yard and there was

00:12:42.100 a naked old woman standing in the in the thorn bushes but like behind them and the guys go and

00:12:52.300 look she's right there and you can barely see her but through one of the holes in the bush

00:12:57.960 you can see her eye and then she moves and you can see enough of her face that you realize this

00:13:03.120 is an old woman and then you can kind of see through enough of the bush that you realize

00:13:07.240 she's naked and she's not she's not in distress dude she's watching this guy and like so there

00:13:16.040 is no shortage of are all of your experience you've lived there your whole life right Appalachia

00:13:20.560 yeah so um to put it in perspective for people that don't know Appalachia runs from

00:13:27.880 uh maine all the way to georgia so you you got the mountains all the way through

00:13:34.060 new england new york virginia uh the carolinas all the way to georgia

00:13:40.180 that's that's quite a while yeah yeah i think that's called the um that's the appalachia trail

00:13:47.200 right so that that does you know people i know people that have like hiked it and such yeah it

00:13:51.440 stretches oh yeah that are all along the east coast practically yeah and uh the once you get

00:13:57.260 to maine you're not you're not seeing any civilization anymore so yeah um the it's like

00:14:03.740 called the 100 100 miles of wilderness stretch um for for the trail specifically so like when

00:14:12.100 you're on the trail once you get into maine you're you're not seeing anybody you're not there's you're

00:14:17.380 far away from society once you're out there so and then that's my mind when you're saying

00:14:23.780 you know my sister thought she saw a witch and then i'm seeing something and and you know she

00:14:29.320 saw a face in the window and all these other things like you're you're you're in the thick

00:14:33.540 of it you're in the place where none of these things are surprising maybe if you're not familiar

00:14:38.620 with these types of stories but once you start to you just find like if you listen to any kind

00:14:43.120 of testimony in the body of strange supernatural natural testimony i i wonder what percentage

00:14:50.400 come from appalachia gotta be north of like 50 60 percent oh for sure i 100 agree and the most

00:14:58.560 most of the people that i talk to are from this area too um so especially like when i go vend or

00:15:05.500 something like that people will come up to me like oh you have a podcast and i go yeah like

00:15:09.740 what is it about and i go ghosts freaking cryptids anything freaking weird fringe 0.64

00:15:17.600 conspiracies all that all that shit and they're like i had a really weird experience and i go oh 0.87

00:15:24.140 yeah i bet you did are you from this area and they're like yeah well there you go just kind 0.89

00:15:29.960 of goes hand in hand yeah people don't were you in the woods yeah it's like um you know you're

00:15:37.340 you tend to be a product if being a product of your environment is is true then like yeah people

00:15:43.280 from that area they're they're gonna make supernatural podcasts for sure for sure um

00:15:52.220 yeah and so that seeing these two um you know figures i've seen i started seeing figure after

00:16:01.780 that it was just like shadow person after shadow person for the rest of my life um and we ended up

00:16:08.460 moving from vermont to maine and um i started seeing them in my grand we were living with my

00:16:15.660 grandparents and i started seeing them in my grandparents uh basement and they were not i

00:16:21.360 mean they weren't doing anything they were just kind of like some of them would be like standing

00:16:24.520 like this leaned up against a lolly column or crouched in the corner or something like that 0.59

00:16:30.200 and it was really fucking creepy my grandfather decided to build a bedroom down in the basement 0.55

00:16:35.120 and he ended up giving the bedroom to my older brother but he still had like a section of like 0.93

00:16:41.480 where he kept pools or like miscellaneous stuff that he randomly would need and every time he was

00:16:48.680 like hey kevin go get me this or whatever down in the basement i'm like oh i don't wanna but so i

00:16:58.260 did and then i would see like a shadow person every freaking time and i would start singing

00:17:03.940 and i thought like this is in my kid brain i was like if i'm serenading them they will not hurt me

00:17:11.580 so i would sing a song the whole time i was walking through the basement to get whatever it

00:17:17.020 was when i got to the stairs and as soon as my feet hit the stairs i was like right up the stairs

00:17:22.940 as fast as i could um and i don't know what it is about singing but i've i always and even

00:17:32.200 to the to well i don't do it really anymore but into adulthood whenever i was scared i would start

00:17:38.900 like humming a tune or i try and sing um to make it i don't know for some reason my brain

00:17:45.620 told me that um ghosts will not hurt you if you're singing that's interesting i mean i i wouldn't be

00:17:54.360 surprised to find out that there's something to that you know so much of this phenomenon has to

00:18:01.220 do with um with kind of resonance and frequency harmonics play a big role in it and um you know

00:18:08.400 it even talks about the angels in heaven are constantly singing holy holy holy right so there

00:18:14.180 is this idea of music and i know that music can directly affect your mood i mean a depressing song

00:18:24.360 a sad song can really pull you down into the dumps if you're if you're making a horror movie

00:18:30.440 to create a suspenseful you know atmosphere you would use music that would lend itself to that

00:18:37.020 and um and in fact it's not even just lend itself to it if you're watching a horror film and there

00:18:43.800 is a scary moment the the soundtrack is a huge part of that it's a huge component to creating

00:18:49.340 that that you know that feeling that ambiance um and i do believe that these things feed off of

00:18:58.740 low vibrational energy they feed off of depression anxiety fear sadness these these elements um of

00:19:05.220 the emotional spectrum so maybe there is something to be said about changing the energy you're putting

00:19:13.380 off by doing something as simple as as singing a happy tune for sure um i will say that you know

00:19:25.620 from the time of the first experience throughout the whole time up until my teenage years you know

00:19:34.720 there was a whole lot of depression and and stuff like that you know i i'm i'm not gonna sit here

00:19:40.440 and say that i had a terrible childhood but it wasn't great um there was a lot of aspects like

00:19:46.000 as soon as my dad left it was like my mom just had this like eye for me like it was it was almost 0.60

00:19:54.080 like she saw my dad's face and just like fucking hated me out of you know the the four of us

00:20:00.080 and um you know my little my little brother was the baby my sister was a girl and my older brother 0.79

00:20:07.420 didn't even have wasn't my dad's kid so i was my dad's first him and my mom's second but it was

00:20:15.000 like um immediate like it was like an immediate switch i was treated completely different out of

00:20:21.420 nowhere and so i grew up freaking i grew up so angry at the world um you know so i do think that

00:20:32.580 a lot like during this period of time because there was there was a lot of things uh going from

00:20:38.600 that first experience to my grandparents house we were already had moved several times um and then

00:20:45.640 my dad was like zipped and you know my dad i love my dad you know i love my mom too because she's my

00:20:53.000 mom but you know and i don't want to disparage either of them too much but um as soon as my dad

00:21:00.560 left it was like i'm not a dad anymore kind of thing you know he's like he'd show up once in a

00:21:06.040 while and he was like and he would do kind of a couple things with us or whatever but it didn't

00:21:11.140 it's almost like it was like an obligation that's what it felt like more like he had to do it that's

00:21:17.440 why he did if he could get away with not doing it he wouldn't do it that was kind of how it felt but

00:21:22.240 like before he left we were like best friends and then he was gone that's rough do you think

00:21:28.480 that anger um that your siblings felt the same anger possibly i i think my sister did um

00:21:37.800 and my my i think my my little brother was a little bit too young to really understand

00:21:45.420 the difference because it was shortly after he was born that so it was like 96 i think he was

00:21:53.160 born in 95 um and as soon as he you know so my brother kind of grew up knowing that dad only was

00:22:03.200 around occasionally anyway but i went from you know being with my dad all the time trying to

00:22:10.800 do like we would we'd build uh snow forts we would build blanket forts and

00:22:15.360 leaf we make leaf piles and jump in it together and stuff like that like we did a lot of stuff

00:22:21.300 together and then it went from that to nothing yeah so it was it was pretty rough and my my

00:22:29.280 sister felt it too um and like probably the first time i say this publicly you know at the time

00:22:40.960 throughout this transition i was also being molested so that wasn't helpful either so

00:22:47.720 i mean what you're touching on right now is like that's all childhood trauma in my experience

00:22:53.740 these are the things that open up a lot of um i don't know how to put it i don't want to say

00:23:00.640 portals but like these things get access to you through trauma and what are they called i think

00:23:07.620 dr laura baker called them uh like alters oh that's interesting having alters within yourself

00:23:13.960 yeah yeah and and that these things are created during uh moments of trauma and

00:23:20.980 i know um for myself like my dad left when i was like three and even though i was still young it

00:23:27.700 created a lot of that same kind of anger i was very angry as a kid for a really long time and um

00:23:35.340 you know i also had a bunch of strange experiences when it comes to shadow people and this and that

00:23:40.980 the other thing and it's like yeah man this is how they they get they get their talons in and

00:23:47.140 then i think what they do from there is the very same energy they feed off of is the very same

00:23:54.320 energy that they um they evoke in you so things will happen in your life and you'll be nudged in

00:24:01.620 this direction or that direction and the name of the game is pushing you in a way that you will

00:24:06.900 create the very energy that they feed off of absolutely i i agree uh you know it's like um

00:24:14.740 it's almost like you have to go through this and then um whatever entity or you know say the devil

00:24:22.580 or whatever it's like well now they are a little more susceptible to my suggestions

00:24:28.980 yeah that's that's what it feels like to me so so and then through probably

00:24:37.220 oh sorry go ahead no go ahead go ahead i was just gonna say like from like 13 to um my early 20s i

00:24:48.220 was probably like honestly if my son didn't come along hey there would be a good chance i'd be dead

00:24:54.960 or in jail so yeah i think kev that that your um experience is you know one of the things that

00:25:05.440 you're very lucky i would say you're blessed to have come out the other end recognizing that these

00:25:11.360 things are spiritual because a lot of people don't realize that it's spiritual a lot of people just

00:25:16.600 have anger and sadness in them from you know the way that they were treated or the things that the

00:25:22.300 world did to them. But I think without the spiritual implications of it, the fundamental

00:25:28.180 difference is you don't realize that by staying in your anger, you're feeding something,

00:25:36.140 something that is happy that you went through those things, something that is happy that you're

00:25:41.340 living a self-destructive lifestyle and something that is happy that you're continuing to put that

00:25:46.580 energy out there whereas if you know that this is a spiritual warfare thing you then can make

00:25:53.140 a decision to stop feeding the enemy absolutely absolutely it's like um seeing yourself in the 0.98

00:26:02.660 mirror for the first time and you have fucking clown makeup on and you're like oh i gotta get 0.98

00:26:06.900 this shit off dude yeah so um but yeah it's like it's almost like um and it feels like a weight 0.99

00:26:19.540 and then you don't tell anybody and then you got you you're starting to and then you start 0.99

00:26:25.160 spiraling and then once you start opening up and really telling which is a lot of people people

00:26:29.700 have a problem with opening up and especially publicly like like on here like what my show does

00:26:36.900 and um you know there's a lot of firsts for me opening up as well telling my story

00:26:43.020 um and and there's a lot of stories that i have that like make me sound absolutely like nuts and

00:26:52.740 some of them i'm like did i really experience that i remember it being real i remember it that

00:26:58.100 way but is it was it real and you know i question myself all the time and i think that's i think

00:27:04.380 taking everything that happens um skeptically is is healthy um like i think we discussed this

00:27:15.800 if i remember correctly when you guys were on my show about how not every just because something

00:27:21.560 goes bump doesn't mean it's it's it's a ghost or it's supernatural you know sometimes it's

00:27:26.640 sometimes there's a real real world explanation for it and i think that's a i think it's healthy

00:27:35.160 to question everything that's why i say question everything at the end of every episode because

00:27:41.320 you know who knows what is real uh reality is perspective based on your perspective so whatever

00:27:48.020 your life experience is how it is going to shape your reality around your life so you've been you've

00:27:55.180 been doing this show for a couple of years and i think you said you might been doing this for

00:27:58.900 longer than us i think you said five years when we were on your show um what what are some of the

00:28:04.760 things that you've discovered any stories that stick out to you or uh stories that overlap like

00:28:10.920 that that fill in some of these gaps uh to the question that you had when you started this

00:28:16.580 endeavor honestly i'm gonna say that since i i i'm coming away with more questions but i do

00:28:28.220 what has drew what i'll say that there is a god element to all of this everything leads back to

00:28:37.640 god um you know you got alien uh encounters shadow people ghosts cryptids whatever bigfoot

00:28:46.280 anything you know and it you know a lot of these people they're they're scared out of their mind

00:28:51.700 and then they're like in the name of jesus i rebuke you whatever it is doesn't matter what it

00:28:56.160 is across the board bigfoot alien ghost shadow person they stop and they listen you know because

00:29:04.100 so and the more i you know more the more i heard that and then i have my son in my ear going you

00:29:10.840 know the way is jesus is the right way you know you gotta you gotta believe in jesus you gotta

00:29:15.300 accept jesus in your heart man and like he's like sitting next to me just like in my like

00:29:20.360 whispering in my ear he's like hey you know god's calling you god's calling you i mean he's not

00:29:24.680 literally saying that but like he's talking about jesus constantly and um and then i'm talking to

00:29:33.100 these people who are having these experiences and like i i use the name of jesus and it just

00:29:37.740 stops and a lot of people are like well it's just the intent um but at the same time like

00:29:44.120 i don't know it's it's a it's a weird thing so i would say what the connect a lot of like

00:29:50.980 connection and overlapping thing would be you know god and and um it's brought me to to the bible

00:29:59.860 basically is that's been a huge aspect of it for me too so um and when people say it's it's all

00:30:07.340 about intent it's like well it specifically says in the bible that jesus's name gives you authority

00:30:11.640 over these things uh so i guess that's just a strange coincidence but the more you look into it

00:30:16.520 the more strange coincidences pile up until eventually it's like all right well i'm gonna

00:30:20.840 stop treating this like a coincidence and i'm gonna start treating this like it's a real and

00:30:24.760 testable aspect of of you know the world that we live in which is there's a supernatural war

00:30:30.440 happening a spiritual war and that alignment with christ is picking a side in that war it's also

00:30:37.160 picking the winning side in that war um you said before that there were these stories that

00:30:43.300 you check yourself on which i've had those and i shared some of those with you on the show

00:30:47.840 these things were like you revisit and you're like did that really happen and is that like

00:30:54.700 i understand exactly what you mean it's a little bit hard to articulate but

00:30:58.760 did that happen did it happen the way that i remember it happening am i telling a story

00:31:05.400 or am i recalling a memory like what actually went down there and i i do that a lot i revisit

00:31:12.580 these moments and i try to ground them in reality as much as possible because i don't want to get on

00:31:19.720 and lie and and i don't want to um take something that's so important because it feels like it was

00:31:27.000 this really important moment in my life and it changed the direction of where my focus was

00:31:31.000 permanently right you too you're sitting in this chair you're doing these shows it altered you

00:31:35.240 permanently so these are like anchor moments in our lives it makes sense to revisit them and just

00:31:40.380 say like hey i'm a little bit sharper now i've got some new information let's revisit this thing

00:31:45.980 and see if it still stands on its own two legs or can i tear this down and find out that it was

00:31:53.520 bullshit um and of course for me those moments still stands let's talk about some of those

00:31:59.000 moments for you what are what are some of those moments that you still revisit and you go like 0.99

00:32:02.700 did that really happen so i have several of those stories i'll give you the first i'll try and do it

00:32:10.080 chronologically um so the first one it was shortly after i had i was i was nine i know i was 10 in

00:32:17.920 the experience so it was almost about a year after i had tried to take my own life i tried i tried i

00:32:23.360 attempted at nine um and then like i just it exploded after that like there was just experience

00:32:31.920 after experience after experience and it was all shadow people until this moment and i was sitting

00:32:37.420 on the swing set in the back of my grandparents house and i'm not i'm not really swinging i'm

00:32:44.360 just kind of holding on the chains just kind of like rocking and i see something out of the corner

00:32:48.380 of my eye and i just turn my head and there is a clear figure sitting on the swing next to me

00:32:54.880 is an older man um probably like 30 ish so not really older but like obviously older than me

00:33:03.120 i was 10. um but he was wearing a if he was he was wispy and he was see-through and he

00:33:08.640 what i could make out was he was wearing a suit but it wasn't a business suit it was just like

00:33:15.040 what it was just like i i go to i work in a cubicle kind of thing um it wasn't like a

00:33:20.560 professional but yeah and i couldn't he his face was distorted and what i remember is he had

00:33:29.300 something in his hand i don't remember this clearly but it was something stringy and what

00:33:34.240 i equate it to is either he was eating a bowl of noodles or he was knitting like a sweater or

00:33:40.180 something whatever and he had yarn or whatever it was was stringy down into his lap and um i

00:33:47.080 i stare at him and i'm like kind of like frozen and he goes hey be patient and i'm like how about

00:33:55.260 what he's like you'll know and then like it was almost like he just went to pay back to paying

00:34:01.360 attention to whatever he was doing and then my head just like went down and i'm staring at this

00:34:05.840 rock in front of me and what felt like hours was probably like two seconds and i was like it was

00:34:13.240 like a sleep paralysis kind of thing where i wanted to move and i just could not make my body

00:34:17.640 move and i'm squeezing onto these chains and then finally i slowly turned my head back over and he's

00:34:24.480 gone and as soon as i know and realized he was gone i was up and inside the house and you know

00:34:31.220 i think about that moment all the time because number one what do i need to be patient about

00:34:37.240 and i think a lot of it is just life in general um and i think that was not only a message from

00:34:46.580 the universe from the creator from god jesus whatever you you know whatever it what it whatever

00:34:53.220 it is but also from ancestry um there's a part of me that you know i've told the story to

00:35:01.880 another podcast i can't remember anyways um but he came back with well did you have any older men

00:35:11.300 that you know passed away around that time and my uncle had passed away uh probably about two years

00:35:18.920 maybe three before that and he had died um head-on collision with a tree he was drunk driving

00:35:26.580 on his 25th birthday smashed his face i wasn't allowed to go to his wake because his face was so 0.82

00:35:32.900 fucked up right so they didn't want any children at the wake because of his face and so this 0.96

00:35:38.540 apparition thing face being distorted just kind of like was that my uncle kind of thing and um 0.87

00:35:46.700 when i think about it these days i'm just like and was that crazy or was i just like putting that

00:35:53.600 into my head because of a tv show and i was thinking about my uncle at the same time like

00:35:58.820 like subconsciously and i just didn't realize but what where'd that message come from be patient

00:36:04.760 man i mean nine years what age was this i was 10 10 years old so so my son just turned 11

00:36:14.780 and if he came to the to me and told me this happened last year i would i would take it

00:36:22.840 pretty seriously because i understand the sentience of a 10 year old like i know he's

00:36:29.180 pretty well there yeah sure he might get a little spacey i might tell him to do something he might

00:36:33.360 forget you know or whatever um but as far as the the linearity of his stories it's there i can ask

00:36:42.260 him how was your day at school and he's going to tell me what happened at school and it's i don't

00:36:46.880 have a problem you know because much younger ages it's like there's there's a real kind of

00:36:51.940 difficulty in grasping what it is they're saying it's hard for them to lay it out in a way that

00:36:57.920 is coherent that makes sense you know as far as like a timeline goes but 10 years old 10 years

00:37:03.740 old I'm I'm I'm fine with whatever he's telling me at 10 years old you know I can read between

00:37:08.660 the lines enough to understand what he's saying it's not even that difficult if he told me that

00:37:13.280 a man was next to him on the swing I mean how far was this man literally like two feet two feet yeah

00:37:20.680 I mean, he's not going to make a mistake looking at something that's two feet away from him and to come back and say he told me to be patient, you know, to come back and say he was wearing a suit and to even wrestle with the idea, like not a super fancy suit, but a suit like, you know, maybe maybe he was just going to work.

00:37:39.900 i got i don't know what i would make of it but i would believe him i would believe him because

00:37:46.460 he's he's far exceeded the age where i think when you're very little you know two three years old i

00:37:53.280 think sometimes man some of that spiritual realm bleeds over into a way where little kids can see

00:37:59.200 it catch glimpses of it and maybe it's here one moment and gone the next but not in ways that we

00:38:07.180 can see it and so you know really hard to but a 10 year old i don't think that i in other words

00:38:14.660 my son has come to me in recent years and told me about dreams and the dreams were concerning enough

00:38:21.760 that i was like you need to pray you need to pray to jesus to send this thing away he had a dream

00:38:28.940 for a while about a dog you know that was like speaking to him and he had multiple dreams about

00:38:33.840 this same dog that was talking to him and it had like yellow glowing eyes and i was like

00:38:37.620 yeah dog you're we're gonna pray about that we're gonna pray that that that thing goes away

00:38:42.400 and um so yeah i mean if he told me that that's that's a big one and it's interesting too i think

00:38:49.640 it counts for a lot what you think that means because honestly at the end of the day kev like

00:38:55.320 you're not going to be able to have real answers for that and i think that spiritual ones are are

00:39:02.760 like things that you intuit things that you feel and so yeah maybe you're right maybe it maybe it's

00:39:07.940 about life yeah for sure that's i mean that that's all i can really put to it at this point

00:39:17.900 is just be patient and you know things will fall in place things will fall in the line

00:39:24.020 um the way that it's supposed to be what's meant for you will be with you or you know all that

00:39:31.100 um and you know you don't have to you're not going to be like starting the podcast you're

00:39:36.920 not going to be successful and i you know i never started it to be successful or to be 0.55

00:39:41.340 um big or anything like that i just do it because i love the conversations of it right um and i suck 0.87

00:39:49.000 at fucking marketing anyway so it's not gonna go like i'm fine with it the way it is it's totally 0.78

00:39:55.320 cool um and you know i'm still gonna rock it um but yeah i do i do i definitely think it's at least 0.94

00:40:04.460 if even if it didn't happen i have a cool story to say hey man just be patient yeah yeah i i like

00:40:12.980 that too because a lot of the times when we're dealing with these experiences i can't help but

00:40:17.080 wonder the nature of a thing like is this demonic and when i say demonic i just mean like does it

00:40:22.380 have your best interests is it in alignment with god or is it deceptive in its nature and is it

00:40:27.820 trying to like but i don't know i i don't think that your dead loved ones cannot appear to you

00:40:36.880 in some meaningful way i mean obviously in the bible there are instances of that happening

00:40:41.360 and i just don't think that spiritual experiences are totally on lock by the demonic realm i don't

00:40:49.300 think they have um you know what what would be the the expression like i don't think they have

00:40:55.440 they're the only ones that are able to interact with us in any meaningful way um i think things

00:41:00.600 do get through both good and bad um i wonder sometimes about you know well i don't know but

00:41:05.880 uh so you know it sounds like if you were to test the fruits of that

00:41:11.520 is something appearing to you and telling you to be patient i struggle to see how that's bad

00:41:19.040 yeah you know i think the only bad thing was the feeling of fear that was like the only bad thing

00:41:30.340 out of that whole entire thing is because i'm you know i'm seeing something that you

00:41:34.200 i don't normally see that i've never seen before and it's scary to me

00:41:37.960 and it's just like a lot of things in life when you're trying something new for the first time

00:41:42.980 it can be scary anyway so um you know it other than like it was a positive message um and so

00:41:52.740 i just like to think that my uncle came and was like you know probably seeing or knows of

00:42:01.140 what had been transpiring and it was just like i need to let him know and like the only words that

00:42:06.960 could really come out was just be patient and you know and in my kid brain i'm just like

00:42:12.520 you know maybe if i'm patient you know my mom will give me some candy tonight you know yeah

00:42:17.320 in that moment anyway but as i grew older i was just like you know and i i think back on it and

00:42:25.200 i was just like huh i think that's more of like a life philosophy kind of thing so it's definitely

00:42:31.220 the more i'm for sure for sure um but so this this one came shortly after and um i recall this

00:42:45.580 from a regression so i was doing i was in therapy we did like this regression uh thing where i was

00:42:52.080 bringing where memories came out and when this came out my therapist is like well you know maybe

00:42:58.280 you might be recalling a dream this might have just been a dream and it's coming out through this

00:43:04.740 hold on as something that really happened and is probably just a dream so okay okay so so number

00:43:14.620 one um so all right me and my sister so hold on pause real quick we're having some latency i want

00:43:21.920 you to refresh your browser you'll come right back in and that should fix the latency but we

00:43:26.780 want to get into this regression because i want to hear a lot i want to hear about like what this

00:43:30.180 process is like sometimes this happens uh for the audience right it's like yeah we've been having a

00:43:38.140 little bit of a delay with him anyway just like the internet gets a little bit screwy and all

00:43:42.100 that other crap but you know he's talking about this regression therapy thing and that's something

00:43:45.880 that you know i'm obviously very skeptical and cautious of not because i don't think that it

00:43:50.260 will reveal things to you but it's like it's interesting that that's that was probably like

00:43:54.340 funded by his like medical plan too i wonder oh yeah that's interesting all right kev can you hear

00:43:59.060 us yes okay awesome and the latency seems to be gone because that was a quick response

00:44:03.860 four seconds between it started getting worse and worse but now we're good so i i want to hear about

00:44:09.740 this like the process of this regression as well because regression therapy is very fascinating

00:44:15.680 and it's a tool that people use how did you end up in yeah how did that even come out that type

00:44:20.500 of therapy because that seems quite specific not like a standard therapy yeah right uh so

00:44:27.500 i was in therapy already because so my ex-girlfriend

00:44:34.280 her and i went through some shit um and we we tried doing some couples therapy and

00:44:45.500 at the end of the day it just we we ended up going our separate way so i continued doing therapy on

00:44:51.940 my own you know and i'm like you know there's something wrong with the when i was a kid all

00:44:58.160 the therapy that i did was it felt like there's something wrong with me and that i needed to be

00:45:05.300 fixed and then the more at this time i was like i i just need somebody to talk to that isn't going

00:45:13.500 of judge me or you know all that stuff so um we were doing this and i was talking a lot about my

00:45:20.160 my childhood and i was just like i just feel like there's certain like spaces in my childhood i just

00:45:25.680 can't remember um and the more we talked about like my childhood and there was all these gaps

00:45:31.960 and stuff so she decided to uh she's like you know i've done this a few times you know we can do like

00:45:41.620 this regression and it's more like it's more like a hypno like it's like she's they're trying to

00:45:47.220 hypnotize you essentially right so you're just you're just kind of you're either laying you can

00:45:53.080 be laying or you can be sitting still um you close your eyes and you get to think and there's

00:45:59.980 usually like a ticking or something to that you know it's like and then eventually you don't even

00:46:08.080 hear it um and you get put in this like catatonic state and she'll talk to you about a memory that

00:46:16.660 you have where this blockage might be um and then you start you go through it and you you know and

00:46:24.760 she recorded it i wish i wish um i had the recordings for you right now because i'd just

00:46:30.740 play it for you um but so that's so that's the setup so this time i believe i was sitting down

00:46:40.420 i don't think it was the time i was laying down because we did it a couple times and you know i'm

00:46:45.920 sitting there and then my head kind of just drops and i can and i'm telling her this thing so this

00:46:52.300 there was this one right before this happened i was talking about um i stood on the sink 0.68

00:47:00.560 of the bathroom and my mom decided it was uh an offense enough that warranted her choking the

00:47:09.160 shit out of me so and then right from that story i went into this story of that makes me feel 0.88

00:47:18.100 like i'm fucking crazy so my sister and i i was i was sitting at the kitchen table 0.97

00:47:26.900 eating breakfast my sister's like you want to go outside and play and i was like uh you gotta ask 0.96

00:47:33.100 mom so she we asked mom she's like we got somewhere to be don't be outside too long

00:47:39.720 so we're like let's go it's like so it's november or late october either way leaves

00:47:47.300 are on the ground there's a light dusting of snow just very just enough to like put footprints and

00:47:53.380 and and stuff in it and we're riding our bikes around and we used to do this thing where we

00:47:58.420 would pretend we were hunting monsters or aliens in the woods together and we saw these uh track

00:48:04.040 squirrel tracks going through the in the like the squirrel tracks are they're like three because

00:48:08.320 their their front paws are together and then their back paws are are separate so it looks like three

00:48:14.280 wrong footsteps i'm like oh my god there's an alien so we get our stick guns and we walk we

00:48:19.800 start walking into the woods and we come across we're coming up to this creek and all of a sudden

00:48:26.620 like my vision just goes like blue like almost like this the light in here it's like a bluish

00:48:32.500 color and on the other side of the creek is this little village of mushroom people 0.72

00:48:40.920 and in the middle of their village is this big bonfire and they're throwing all these like little 0.54

00:48:46.360 twigs and they're feeding they're stoking the bonfire and they don't look like people that

00:48:51.700 are mushrooms they're just mushrooms moving they don't have faces eyes nothing um and when i was

00:48:59.580 eight i ended up getting uh glasses so this is i was 10 years old so i had glasses for about two

00:49:06.400 years and I just feel like this nudge on my head and my head kind of goes like that and my glasses

00:49:13.240 fall off my face and I feel something on my shoulder and I turn my head and there's a mushroom

00:49:18.660 on my shoulder and like telepathically it said you don't need those glasses and I was like really

00:49:24.100 and then he's like yeah and then right as he says that everything's back to normal my sister's

00:49:31.460 standing there and my sister's like are you all right like i was like oh my glasses and she comes

00:49:37.340 walking over to help me find my glasses and she steps on them and so i'm like immediately i'm

00:49:44.480 pulled out of that whole experience i'm just like my glass i'm flipping out about my glasses so

00:49:49.940 i run home um tell my mom my glasses are broken completely forget about this this these mushroom

00:49:57.280 people and my mom's like well you have a appointment so i'm not going to get you new 0.53

00:50:04.840 glasses because your prescription might change and i'm not going to get you glasses back to back

00:50:10.580 we were poor so right um a couple weeks later we go to the doctors um we do the eye tests and stuff

00:50:19.820 like that um and he's sitting in his little swivel chair and he's reading the the results and he just

00:50:26.600 kind of like swings around and looks at me he goes you have 20 20 vision you don't need glasses

00:50:30.840 i feel like i've heard this and we're all like yeah i'm just realizing now because somebody

00:50:35.260 you were on the confessionals right yeah okay oh i was like i was so so i was like this thing's

00:50:43.380 making shit up no no no there is so much lore kev with like mushroom people inside of i don't know

00:50:53.660 how how to how to phrase this it's like dungeons and dragons lore but but so much of that i don't 0.98

00:50:59.360 think is is just made up shit i think it's inspired lore somehow people are perceiving a

00:51:05.660 thing about reality that um like these fantasy realms when they're talking about dwarves and 0.99

00:51:12.760 elves and things like that they're so complex and and the lore is so rich that i struggle to believe

00:51:20.860 that this is just inspired make-believe shit from somebody's imagination right and then it's

00:51:27.980 compounded upon by other people's you know input like there's something going on here with this i 0.96

00:51:33.460 have heard experiences with mushroom people and and it and the way that it kind of i mean somebody

00:51:39.800 in the in the comments said it like the smurfs are i don't know what they are i don't know what

00:51:45.540 that the smurfs are okay dude but there's like this tiny blue people you talked about seeing

00:51:50.940 everything in blue um and and this like mushroom aspect mushroom aesthetic to everything they do

00:51:57.580 i mean that's gotta what do you feel about that when you see that that lore mimicked yeah

00:52:05.220 yeah i mean i i i feel like like like a fake kind of thing or elemental kind of thing and

00:52:14.880 like we're living side by side this realm we just can't see it and for whatever reason it decided

00:52:22.540 if this is a real story um it just decided hey i'm gonna let this kid in and be like dude you 0.99

00:52:29.660 don't need those fucking glasses retard why are you wearing them you know kind of thing 0.99

00:52:34.080 man do you think you ever needed those glasses or like what how do you make sense of that 1.00

00:52:41.200 i i i honestly i i don't know so what what prompted the glasses to begin with was i was

00:52:48.220 having these severe migraines all the time it probably didn't also didn't really hope that my

00:52:53.880 mom would just off the cuff let's slap me in the back of the head just bam all the time but

00:52:59.860 i digress um i had migraines constantly i still do um now now but like my vision's perfectly fine

00:53:08.760 but we went to when we went to get it tested my mom's like well you haven't all these migraines

00:53:14.520 maybe it has something to do with your eyes so we go and my the doctor's like yeah you're

00:53:21.240 you know your eyes need glasses and when um i can't remember what the was 2020 and i think it

00:53:30.360 it was like 20 10 or 15 or something like i can't remember um at the time one of my eye my left eye

00:53:39.520 was worse than my right eye um and so he wanted me to wear glasses and he's like you you need to

00:53:46.480 wear them especially when you're watching tv or you're reading or writing he's like you make sure

00:53:53.740 you wear so when when we went back and he's like you have 2020 he's like probably still wear them

00:54:00.720 when you watch tv and when you read and write and then my mom's like he doesn't need glasses 0.73

00:54:06.520 i'm not fucking getting them so i never wore glasses again after that uh you know that's so 0.86

00:54:12.860 funny because i i they try to say my son needs glasses and i i go like i've never hear him 0.96

00:54:20.120 struggle about being able to see but he also will have like headaches and stuff occasionally

00:54:24.920 um and then when we do get him the glasses he doesn't wear them so he's got them but he just 0.78

00:54:32.960 never wears them and um and i don't know i'm not a doctor i'm a retard but i go like i don't know 0.80

00:54:39.640 if you put like um i'm looking at glasses like putting a cast on something when they're really 0.82

00:54:46.860 young if their eyes are meant to continue like developing and strengthening these muscles and

00:54:50.860 such like to put a a pair of glasses is to then acclimate their development to this new apparatus

00:54:58.500 on their face and and then they're going to forever go off developing that way so like if

00:55:03.680 he doesn't want to wear them and they just sit there and collect dust like i'm not so i'm not

00:55:09.000 going to push him to wear them and if he's not complaining about headaches and he and he's never

00:55:12.960 telling me he can't see stuff then i'm not gonna recommend the glasses but the doctors are like

00:55:17.780 yeah dude put the glasses on i'm like i don't know about all that i think the doctors over

00:55:22.000 prescribe stuff but that's interesting though because it seems like this little critter this

00:55:26.400 little mushroom dude was maybe not so much healing your eyes because i recognize that's one way it 0.99

00:55:33.020 could be interpreted but maybe more so just saying like yeah you dummy you don't fucking 0.98

00:55:36.900 yeah need those you you don't have messed up eyes you just got a spiritual disposition 0.99

00:55:42.680 you've been smacked a bunch yeah yeah yeah i had to um i had a concussion so maybe that's why you

00:55:52.520 know yeah dude that's i had a concussion due to from baseball and due from from my mom so yeah

00:55:59.100 concussion so you got cte dog but like the yeah that same thing might be the reason that you

00:56:07.520 could perceive them at all what and your sister saw nothing said nothing like what about this

00:56:14.020 moment uh you know did she recognize anything at all did she remember she remembers being in

00:56:21.940 the woods she remembers stepping on my glasses but that's about it and she's like if i did see

00:56:26.720 them it wasn't significant to me so i'm not going to remember it the same way that you did she goes

00:56:31.720 but i broke your glasses i broke chris's glasses i broke ryan's glasses i broke everybody's glasses

00:56:37.360 because both my brothers wear glasses too um and they still wear glasses to this day i'm the only

00:56:42.820 one that doesn't so um but yeah my sister's just like you know you were standing there staring and

00:56:50.020 i was just like what is wrong with him so she doesn't recall if if they did allow her to see

00:56:56.520 them too she doesn't remember it so maybe so like they talk about also aliens um like the greys or

00:57:04.860 whatever they'll wipe your memory after they abduct you or yeah or whatever you know and then

00:57:09.020 through like benny and barney uh betty and barney hill um you know he started recall they started

00:57:18.280 recalling their abductions through regression therapy and so like they had their memories wiped

00:57:27.220 to uh so that they didn't recall this and like i i don't remember this happening at all i don't

00:57:32.920 even remember the the doctor's visit so check these guys out i want because you said can you

00:57:40.460 put this on the screen top um the you said you specifically said they did not look like little

00:57:46.680 people they look like little mushrooms like when you see this is literally dungeons and dragons

00:57:52.220 lore like the first thing that i typed in when i typed in mushroom people it wanted to complete

00:57:56.460 my sentence with dnd as in dungeons and dragons and um i mean this is a fully fleshed out

00:58:04.040 component to that what is this what these things look like

00:58:07.460 yes and in a sense i would say they didn't look like they had feet they did have little

00:58:16.060 nubs they didn't have hands um but they did have like something that was grabbing

00:58:22.640 the uh the little sticks but they were just it was just a stem and they would they were moving like

00:58:29.980 um like just kind of like this oh that's so dude that's so funny like even to remember that detail

00:58:40.000 oh wait i i've got a freaking an actual mushroom that my daughter made for me and at school so

00:58:46.400 like yeah it's just it looked like this with like two little nubs one on each side and then it just

00:58:52.880 kind of walked like this that's crazy man that's hey let me ask you any have you or anybody else

00:59:01.860 in your family ever experienced like what you would categorize as alien abductions or alien

00:59:07.820 interactions but not that i know of if they have they haven't told me um i do know my daughter was

00:59:19.140 looking up at the ceiling one night when she was young saying that there's a black cat on the

00:59:25.160 ceiling and it freaked me like she was like deathly scared she's looking up going the black

00:59:31.860 cat's gonna get me and that's like the only like i could see that as being projected into her mind

00:59:39.700 after she had been abducted or whatever but i'm not saying that she was but she doesn't remember

00:59:46.520 it either this this particular thing and she was just kind of like i was moving her from the living

00:59:52.480 room to her bedroom and that's when she just kind of like woke up sort of but not really awake 0.98

00:59:58.320 but other than that um as far as i'm sorry my grandfather doesn't believe in this shit 0.93

01:00:06.940 oh we're doing it's happening again yeah yeah you want me to do that refresh again if you want to 0.86

01:00:13.420 refresh it that's fine but in the in the future i'll just be more careful not to step on you go

01:00:16.800 ahead and refresh it real quick um because when we were on his show we we had this discussion about

01:00:23.300 generational iniquity. And before he goes into the next story, I just want to see what he

01:00:27.540 says about that, like, you know, past relatives, what they were might have, you know, been involved

01:00:33.480 with or, or anything like that. Okay, we got them back. There we go, Kev. Okay, sorry about that. I

01:00:39.240 was I was stepping all over you. Because I get excited when I hear these things. And then I can't

01:00:42.920 stop interrupting. But before we go on to the next story, I want to ask you on the previous discussion

01:00:49.200 that we had with you we brought up the concept of generational iniquity um things that maybe

01:00:55.720 past generations were involved in um what is that you know does that bring up anything in

01:01:03.480 your mind when i say that well so i'm part native so the ancestry there goes back to like the

01:01:12.400 algonquin the abenaki people you know the moon eyed people that they talked about the you know

01:01:19.180 they had weird experiences where people were coming from like they'd call them the star people

01:01:24.140 or something like that um and they they in a lot of of the tribe that i um descend from

01:01:34.500 a lot of their lore is lights or apparitional things like so we got like the specter moose

01:01:44.420 he looks like this he's like supposedly um he can be looked at as either a bad omen or a good omen

01:01:52.380 which it really doesn't make any sense because it's just means that you know sometimes some

01:01:59.500 people will have a bad experience after seeing it some people have a good experience but he looks

01:02:05.620 like a light just as a moose like a white he looks like a ghostly moose that's portraying light

01:02:14.160 and then they have all these they call them the ghost lights where these like and i think that's

01:02:19.000 where stephen king got the langoliers from where these like little balls just floating around

01:02:23.640 everywhere um but they have they have tons of stories but i from when i was doing when i was

01:02:32.300 looking into it when i started um trying to see what their stories were from my ancestors

01:02:39.920 There's nothing stuck out to me as like mushroom people or abductions unless you want to unless you want to say like the orbs and the moon eyed people and star people probably were abduction like alien stuff or, you know, a lot of religious people will just be like, that's just those are just demons.

01:03:03.340 there was a episode of merkel's that i listened to where he had two um uh shamans shamans you know

01:03:13.980 previous practitioners and they um they said that a lot of the work they thought that they

01:03:23.740 were doing was good work and they had done sort of remote viewing or or even like skin walking

01:03:33.760 this idea of like becoming something else and traveling to the underworld as some sort of an

01:03:39.780 animal spirit and then while they're being able to find fragmented aspects of people's spirits

01:03:46.460 and returning them to them to heal people seeing what they perceived as real results 0.82

01:03:52.420 So in other words, what I'm getting at is these people who are practicing Native American spiritual methods think that they're doing a good thing.

01:04:06.500 Later on, after they come out of it and they come to Christ, they realize that they were being deceived and that the work that they were doing was resulting in temporary healings that were actually giving access to the victims that they thought they were helping and even themselves over to different spiritual creatures, different spiritual entities.

01:04:30.880 um i think that the native americans were more than likely of the mind in fact i can almost

01:04:40.840 guarantee they were of the mind that they were doing good things and that they were in tune

01:04:45.280 with nature and that they were in tune with these spirits and that the magic and the witch doctors 0.70

01:04:50.820 and everything that they were practicing were necessary it was it was the natural way to heal 0.97

01:04:57.800 the spirit the spirit needed to be healed and these spiritual practices needed to be done

01:05:02.400 um and i think that given what i understand about generational iniquity now oftentimes

01:05:08.840 in our conversations it comes up freemasonry occult practices but all of these things are

01:05:16.220 a form of of paganism so in my opinion i don't think it's outlandish to say if you come from a

01:05:23.260 of native americans their practices would fall under the exact same category that these other

01:05:30.600 pagan practices like you know freemasonry or like you know various occult practices

01:05:35.280 would fall under so yeah man i think that those those things that they're doing they're giving

01:05:41.820 access over to the spiritual realm um to their bloodline you know their bloodline being you

01:05:50.740 your siblings um you know to me it just makes sense

01:05:55.380 it does yeah it makes perfect sense um and i think they took because you know uh the tribals

01:06:06.980 tribes and um even like the pagans and stuff like that they they used everything even like

01:06:14.780 natural just natural remedies without ritual or whatever and everything was from the earth

01:06:21.180 because everything we only need things that come from the earth so i think that's

01:06:25.940 where they where they thought they were right you know what i mean and i think in that aspect

01:06:33.320 possibly you know because now what do we now what do we have for uh modern medicine we're just

01:06:40.020 you know pumping ourselves full of chemicals that aren't here naturally um but so i think they

01:06:48.100 kind of like they wanted to like i mean it's already they're already uh given access to

01:06:55.500 these spirits so they're like well let's say everything that they did was need needs to be

01:07:02.920 modernized

01:07:04.940 and more progressive

01:07:07.140 so you know because

01:07:08.860 they're already doing this

01:07:10.020 stuff and opening themselves up to that

01:07:12.800 and we don't want

01:07:13.800 that so we're just going to demonize

01:07:16.700 or we're going to say

01:07:18.020 I don't know

01:07:19.780 I don't know where I'm going with that but

01:07:21.800 it's like

01:07:22.840 it's like

01:07:25.720 so I think that

01:07:28.300 God did give us everything that we need

01:07:31.100 in order to

01:07:32.920 oh we're having thing again okay do the do the little refresh um man we're getting messed up

01:07:38.000 with this i don't know if it's an internet connection thing um but i think i know where

01:07:44.860 kev is going on this uh specifically can you hear me are you going to refresh

01:07:49.540 look at that how long is that latency that's crazy yeah go ahead and do a refresh there you go okay 0.97

01:07:59.980 man what a what a ass whooping we're taking from this i don't even know if he did refresh or if we 0.85

01:08:06.260 just totally lost him there but i think what he's getting at is this idea of like throwing out all 0.99

01:08:10.540 the practices of the natives or you know any of these like spiritual people oh there we go um

01:08:17.660 let me see real quick i'll toss you back on the stage

01:08:21.540 and boom okay there we go so what you were saying before um is this idea that it sounds to me like

01:08:31.880 you're describing throwing the baby out with the bath water right so they have all these practices

01:08:36.100 and we end up demonizing a lot of it i do think that god gave us everything that we need to like

01:08:41.600 be healed um not only obviously spiritually through christ but um you know the plants

01:08:49.540 and the herbs that we have on the planet is certainly a lot better than the sort of the

01:08:54.260 pharmakia that we have now get you addicted to opioids or what have you.

01:08:59.320 But I think that's often what these things do is they will show you a true thing about

01:09:06.740 God's creation, and then they'll use it to slip in something else, which is oftentimes

01:09:11.880 the worship and communion with them.

01:09:14.800 But let's move on, because since we're having this latency issue, I want to try to

01:09:19.320 let you tell your stories i want to try to interrupt as little as possible because if

01:09:23.320 we're going to have to refresh every once in a while no harm done if you go off and you tell

01:09:28.780 your story and then you have to refresh that's not a big deal so so let's get on to the next uh

01:09:32.700 story that you have okay okay all right um man i wish i i wish we could uh be fine the you know

01:09:47.520 technology sucks sometimes it's so great but then it sucks this is why it's weird that we were able 0.93

01:09:54.480 to uh you know connect with the people on the moon but yet we can't get a fucking signal right 0.99

01:10:01.460 here on the fucking surface of the earth anyways oh another so the the next two stories happened 0.86

01:10:12.080 when I was an adult um and they're they also make me feel a little crazy but so they happened 0.96

01:10:22.680 almost back to back within months of each other it was 2016 2015-2016 area um and I'm driving home

01:10:32.640 it's broad daylight and I see this coyote walk across the road and so I stop and it's and it

01:10:40.200 stops it's right on the yellow line and it turns its head stares right at me right into my soul

01:10:45.840 and i'm just like this is really weird i was like and that coyote looks clean and well fed like it

01:10:50.980 could be somebody's dog but it's a coyote and it stares at me for a good long moment and then

01:10:57.020 just kind of trots off into the woods and so i drive up to where it went into the woods and i'm

01:11:02.240 staring at it and it gets a little bit further and then it stops and it turns and stares at me

01:11:07.660 and i was just like what is wrong with this coyote and he's staring at me directly into my eyeballs

01:11:13.220 and i was like this is this is really freaking weird and it's almost like he was like

01:11:19.820 waiting for me to leave for him to continue on and um 0.98

01:11:26.100 he's just like he's like well all right you're gonna see some shit and he turns around he starts 0.98

01:11:32.800 walking and there's this little embankment kind of comes up a little bit and there's this big 0.98

01:11:36.820 pine tree sitting right there and he's walking up towards the pine tree and then right beyond

01:11:41.400 the pine tree it's a big dip and it starts going down towards some water um and he kind of like

01:11:48.260 the way he did it like you know a coyote would just went leaped over it like it's front paws

01:11:55.500 first and um it put the i swear i mean who knows maybe i was i maybe i took some freaking 0.59

01:12:05.880 in lsd or something and not knowingly but this freaking thing lifted its paw and put it on the

01:12:12.560 pine tree and it turned into a human hand and grabbed a hold of the pine tree and then it brought 0.81

01:12:17.840 its hind legs up to go over this hump to go down the embankment so it was what the whole like act

01:12:26.020 of it was unnatural because like i said a normal coyote would have just been like like that and

01:12:34.140 leaped right over it and wouldn't have used the tree to bring its hind legs up and over so that

01:12:40.000 was weird and i i was like oh my god and i just stepped on the gas pedal and my house was like

01:12:46.180 right there and i'm whipping into the driveway and i run inside and i tell my my ex-wife to do

01:12:51.980 the dishes at the time and i'm like i was like you will never guess what i just saw she's like

01:12:56.720 what and i was like a coyote crossing the street she's like in broad daylight and i go yeah i was 0.57

01:13:02.840 like but the weirdest thing is its hand turned into a human's hand and she's like you're crazy

01:13:07.720 i was like oh yeah maybe i could be that could be that so i don't know wait that okay so that

01:13:16.980 one's weird first off let's check the the the latency is it too super bad can you hear me right

01:13:21.680 now i can hear you okay we're getting brutalized uh with the with the internet connection but um

01:13:31.580 yeah this was during the daytime you said

01:13:34.220 yeah broad daylight it was like three two or three o'clock in the afternoon

01:13:42.280 that's crazy so so you're saying that you saw this thing shift um what was a paw becomes a hand i

01:13:54.140 mean this sounds like this sounds like what we were just talking about right the the native

01:13:57.840 american lore of the skinwalker when people say skinwalker they they automatically think of this

01:14:03.820 sort of gangly white creepy thing that's kind of been conflated with i think what would be more

01:14:10.060 so a rake a skinwalker is this idea that a native american shaman can take the form of an animal

01:14:18.060 uh to a different level right where some seem to be maybe appearing as an animal when in reality

01:14:26.420 they're not so

01:14:28.680 the person who perceives it maybe is

01:14:30.720 hallucinating or there's some sort of a spiritual

01:14:32.900 filter over the situation

01:14:35.060 and what other people might perceive

01:14:36.880 as a man the individual is perceiving

01:14:39.000 as an animal and then there is this ability

01:14:41.120 to let's say remote control

01:14:43.320 an animal 0.81

01:14:44.840 where the skinwalker is still 0.64

01:14:47.100 located somewhere else but they've gone

01:14:49.060 through the ritual and the ceremony and they

01:14:51.000 are now almost piloting an animal

01:14:53.060 taking over its consciousness for a time

01:14:54.880 and then there's this

01:14:56.420 other layer where it seems that through some of the lore you can actually transmutate these these

01:15:04.160 people are putting on these skins going through the process and there is an actual physical

01:15:08.520 transformation when you're describing watching something's paw turn into a hand and pull itself

01:15:14.760 up two things stand out to me one is that um you know this seems to be less of a hallucination and

01:15:23.220 more of like the transformation kind and two it's like why why would it let you see that

01:15:29.940 a coyote like you already laid out is perfectly capable of just hopping up with its front legs

01:15:34.520 and going on about its business this thing like locks eyes with you stands in the middle of the 0.98

01:15:40.340 road and then goes like i'm gonna show you some shit yeah i the the point doesn't make any sense 0.98

01:15:50.500 unless 0.99

01:15:51.500 no and then there is no unless

01:15:55.160 I have no idea what the point

01:15:57.020 of that would would be unless

01:15:59.200 it's ancestral

01:16:00.960 like it knows

01:16:02.640 it can smell my blood be like oh this

01:16:05.180 you know he might be one of me you know

01:16:07.160 he might be like like me or something

01:16:09.120 like that maybe

01:16:10.180 you know

01:16:13.300 it's

01:16:13.860 I've struggled with what

01:16:17.140 would be the point of it

01:16:18.840 allowing me to see that for a long time, which is what also makes me think that I'm just a crazy

01:16:26.220 person and half of my experiences never really happened. And I just think that they did.

01:16:32.240 Well, okay. So, um, I want to, I, you know, obviously we're having the, the latency issues.

01:16:37.620 And so for the sake of, of time and the flow of the conversation, I want to let you go into this.

01:16:43.920 uh it sounded like you had one last story and i hate to to put a cap on it it's just like we're

01:16:49.440 getting brutalized out here with the internet connection so um let's go into this last story

01:16:55.120 and uh and i'm gonna let you speak and so don't worry about the the latency or anything like that

01:17:00.080 and when you're done you know just give it a good 10 seconds before you hear my voice again

01:17:05.200 right all right so this story happened shortly after that one um me and my ex-wife we split we

01:17:15.740 went our separate ways it's just me and the dogs in the house at this particular on this particular

01:17:21.140 night we share custody of our kids um kids are more important than our dislike for each other

01:17:29.180 so i'm just gonna say that but anyways it's um it's probably pretty close to midnight

01:17:37.020 and i have two dogs um one of them i still have um and she's uh she's an old lady now but 0.67

01:17:46.560 at this time so i wake up to the dogs barking and i'm yelling at them to shut up like shut up and

01:17:56.380 um i try to go back to sleep but they won't stop barking and they're clawing at the wall

01:18:03.400 underneath the window so i'm like what what are what's outside so i get up and i look out the

01:18:11.000 window and there's a little field so there's a little bit of um like trees and a rock wall

01:18:16.400 that separate my property from the farm next door and but it's like the the uh the trees are

01:18:24.480 thinned out enough it's not like a good expansion so i could see through

01:18:30.320 a little bit of trees into the field and i could see the sack i was like four maybe five

01:18:38.660 and they're just running from the woods behind the house uh to the road and then back and forth

01:18:45.060 and you know the moon is out fairly bright and i'm just like what the hell are these guys doing

01:18:51.080 and i look at my dogs i'm like coyotes are out here all the time you guys hear these things

01:18:55.580 all the time why is that tonight so freaking different and so i kind of like settle them down

01:19:01.260 for a little bit and then um in the window i see this little coyote coming down my driveway 0.91

01:19:08.020 and it looks like it's limping and i'm like oh shit and so i go from my bedroom to the front

01:19:14.760 door and i'm watching it through the window of my front door and then i turn the outside light on 0.69

01:19:21.040 and it stops right at the light the cusp of the light so it's like it's kind of you can see it

01:19:28.160 from in the light but it's standing just enough to where it's shadowy um and it's just kind of

01:19:35.060 like sitting there and i'm just like this thing's really hurt i was like maybe i should and i grab

01:19:39.980 a hole and my dogs are sitting there kind of like yeah let's go outside let's go outside let's go

01:19:44.080 outside and i start turning the knob and i just like i kind of like push my face up against the

01:19:49.460 window to to see where the rest of the coyotes are because i don't want to get like ambushed

01:19:54.680 or something like that and as i do that there's this big hulking black figure standing against

01:20:05.320 this rock wall that separates the property and this boulder is stands about like

01:20:10.800 oh my god oh bro the suspense what the hell okay we i gotta get him to refresh and come back in

01:20:23.260 sorry guys for everybody who's listening and it's just sometimes not usually like this

01:20:28.540 so weird because we did a show with this guy and it was none of this it happens sometimes and then

01:20:34.040 all of a sudden we just get blapped up he got abducted says atma oh my goodness damn it

01:20:40.800 got to get him back in here hold on a second give it some time okay does he popped out no 0.78

01:20:46.240 uh so crazy yeah you oh okay he just popped it again okay okay so the last thing you said

01:20:56.120 something was standing next to a boulder you were about to tell us how how tall the boulder is i

01:21:01.980 think yeah so it was a little bit taller than me i'm 5 10 so i'm assuming that the boulder

01:21:10.740 was a roughly six feet so whatever this thing was it was standing behind it and it was just a little

01:21:17.720 bit taller than that and it was um red glowing eyes and i immediately felt immediately felt that

01:21:25.880 you know overwhelming fear feeling of dread where i thought i was gonna die and so i let go of the

01:21:33.800 doorknob that's what that's that's exactly what i think was happening um and i shut the light off

01:21:42.960 i shut the outside light off and then i locked the door and that coyote that came limping down

01:21:48.120 my driveway turned just kind of like stood up and then turned around and ran out of my driveway and

01:21:54.180 went back over to the field with the other ones totally fine not limping or anything and i look

01:21:59.720 back and i still see those eyes and then i run and i go get my rifle and i load it and i chamber

01:22:06.760 around and then i sit on my couch and my dog literally as soon as i saw as soon as i felt

01:22:12.160 those feelings my it was like my dogs shut up i don't know if they were still barking at this

01:22:16.260 moment but i didn't hear them for the rest of the time and then they got onto the couch with me

01:22:20.420 and they one of them on each side of me and i held my gun like that until i fell asleep and i'm like

01:22:27.480 expecting whatever this thing was to come slant come crashing through one of my windows and I was

01:22:33.280 going to have to load unload my rifle into it and my dogs they just made sure they were up against 0.99

01:22:40.640 me they never left me that whole entire night and I woke up the next morning wicked kink in my neck 0.94

01:22:46.580 and I was still afraid to go outside in the light I was just like I was looking out I ended up 0.93

01:22:52.500 calling out of oh no i was late for work and i wanted to call out but i was like i really need

01:22:58.320 to go to work and i remember going through going to all the windows to make sure that whatever

01:23:04.600 this thing was there was nothing outside before i left and that was probably the most terrifying 0.76

01:23:14.120 experiences i ever had damn dude how long ago was this and and yeah how many years ago was this

01:23:22.440 it's like it's like doing a podcast on about 10 years ago um i think it was like 20 it was the 0.99

01:23:29.700 fall of 2016 fall of 2016 damn dude that's crazy i would have i would have uh fucking 0.99

01:23:37.960 out of appalachia missing that dial tone 0.98

01:23:40.660 well listen listen um this is going to be really hard to do because of this latency we got to bring

01:23:49.300 this in for a landing because this is we just can't go on like this anymore but these stories

01:23:53.880 are fantastic kevin and and the only thing i can say is i i want people to go over to your channel

01:24:01.600 and to uh to to see these you know testimony that's not only from you but from the the people

01:24:08.180 that you're communicating with so um just know that 10 seconds in the past from when you hear

01:24:13.680 this we're going to bring your website up on and just let the people know uh where they can find

01:24:19.280 you the podcast is wherever you find uh podcasts it's also on youtube um my website is where the

01:24:29.400 weird ones are podcast.com the episodes do get posted there i have a patreon where the weird

01:24:35.360 ones go um if you're interested in that and if you do decide to contribute to the patreon it also

01:24:42.320 goes into funding my movie projects like secrets of densmore that you have up there

01:24:48.680 um which is a found footage film that i'm working on and hopefully it'll be out next sometime next

01:24:56.620 year um other than that i'm on facebook i'm on instagram where underscore the weird ones are you

01:25:03.860 can if you're interested in being on the show and telling stories or just talking about anything

01:25:07.800 that is weird um my email is where the weird ones are at gmail.com awesome awesome well kev i'm sorry

01:25:18.280 that it went down this way but i'm i'm still grateful to have uh been able to hung you know

01:25:22.400 hang out with you and hear some of these stories uh guys go and check out kev's work on on where

01:25:27.740 the weird ones are and uh you know uh um maybe if you've got something to say uh uh hit them up and

01:25:34.400 and share some of your testimony thanks a lot kev it's it's it's been great despite the latency

01:25:38.720 thank you all right guys thanks we'll catch you later thank you kevin guys peace out we'll see

01:25:47.380 you in a little 0.76

01:25:48.720 They bred with daughters of men 1.00

01:25:52.720 And they will do it again 1.00

01:25:56.720 The end is written in the book

01:26:00.720 In the pages they foresaw

01:26:04.720 Death Squad!

01:26:08.720 Death Squad! 0.52

01:26:12.720 Death Squad! 0.96

01:26:14.720 When the last trumpet sounds 0.64

Nephilim Death Squad - July 02, 2026

NDS Chronicles ｜Shadow People, Mushroom Beings & A Shape-Shifting Coyote w⧸ Kevin Sapiel

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript