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00:03:54.400 And today we're going to talk about what if National Lampoon wrote the Turner Diaries.

00:04:00.260 And with me to talk about this particular topic, I've got Raven and Top Lobster from the Nephilim Death Squad.

00:04:07.560 What's up, guys?

00:04:08.160 Welcome to Paranoid American. 0.98

00:04:09.480 Long overdue.

00:04:10.200 Yes, dude.

00:04:11.560 Thanks for having us.

00:04:12.480 I love, right off the bat, number one, your intro.

00:04:14.840 Number two, this setup is tremendous.

00:04:17.700 I was wondering what you were going to do with this.

00:04:20.000 And, you know, plastering us on this wall is fantastic.

00:04:24.140 Thanks for having us, bro.

00:04:24.980 Very excited to be here.

00:04:26.300 I got more of these, too.

00:04:28.120 But usually I use that for the little intro.

00:04:30.720 But also, Lobster, how you doing, man?

00:04:34.300 What's up, guys?

00:04:35.020 Yeah, this is awesome.

00:04:36.260 I'm glad that we're back.

00:04:37.020 I thought that, I was like, you know, Paranoid is the type of guy that, like, he'll come on our show.

00:04:41.920 But he's like, don't come on mine.

00:04:43.180 I don't want you to embarrass my shit.

00:04:45.600 But, yeah, I'm happy to be here, man.

00:04:47.420 I have no idea what we're going to get into.

00:04:49.300 Maybe some gay stuff.

00:04:52.080 Maybe some cool stuff.

00:04:54.820 Yeah, I mean, I now had a little shot of Raven's Top surgery.

00:04:59.440 And then we talked about your sort of botched brisk.

00:05:03.180 But behind the scenes, you both mentioned those are actually become pretty personal.

00:05:07.600 So we'll steer a little bit away from those.

00:05:10.060 Yeah, I was hoping to not discuss that in front of a live audience.

00:05:14.220 It is a negative subject.

00:05:16.340 The scars are literally still healing.

00:05:18.840 So we'll let's go.

00:05:19.960 They're still oozing.

00:05:20.000 They're oozing plasma.

00:05:21.140 Well, I think I hit a go because we were already talking about a topic that I've been fascinated with forever.

00:05:28.900 Let me just lead this with saying this is going to be more about you than me.

00:05:32.440 But I'm going to start with a personal story.

00:05:34.740 And I'm a little bit embarrassed.

00:05:36.440 But I also feel like it's endearing now that I'm old enough to know the difference.

00:05:39.860 I'm in my 40s now.

00:05:40.740 But when I was a younger kid, like pre-13, I was probably like 8 or 9, I saw the commercial for the Guess Who board game.

00:05:50.160 And it was like, is your person bald?

00:05:52.760 And you'd see the old dude like, oh, I guess that's me.

00:05:55.580 You know what I mean?

00:05:55.920 You would actually guess this is late 80s, I guess.

00:05:59.480 Yeah.

00:05:59.780 And I remember seeing this.

00:06:02.780 And I thought the pieces talked.

00:06:04.900 Like there wasn't a little disclaimer on the bottom or anything that said that they didn't talk.

00:06:09.500 And one of my friends, I guess, a couple years later, they ended up getting one for Christmas.

00:06:14.360 And I went over there.

00:06:15.380 We set the game up.

00:06:16.800 And I start asking the questions.

00:06:18.760 And I swear I thought it was broken or he got like the knockoff Kmart version instead of the Toys R Us official Milton Bradley version.

00:06:26.940 But it blew my mind to figure out they didn't actually talk.

00:06:31.820 And then I think that same year, I saw the commercial again.

00:06:35.620 And the commercial had a little like line at the bottom.

00:06:38.680 And I was like, game pieces do not actually talk.

00:06:41.220 And every time that would come on for the longest time, people would be like, what idiot?

00:06:45.600 You know, like what dumbass that the pieces could do?

00:06:49.200 Why do they even need that?

00:06:50.580 And I actually...

00:06:50.980 Why do they even need to say that?

00:06:52.260 That was me.

00:06:53.220 Like I would.

00:06:53.680 And I'm not even making that up.

00:06:54.960 I legitimately thought that they talked.

00:06:57.000 I mean, I was like eight.

00:06:58.220 Maybe I should have known by then.

00:06:59.820 But anyway, that's a little bit long in the tooth to think that the little cardboard figures are going to talk to you.

00:07:04.060 You're the lady that got the like hot sign that was put on McDonald's cups. 0.99

00:07:10.400 Yep.

00:07:10.640 She like burned her legs. 1.00

00:07:12.020 Although there's a little bit of a misnomer with that.

00:07:14.780 Are you guys familiar with that case?

00:07:15.600 They actually gave it.

00:07:16.500 They were too hot.

00:07:16.820 Oh, dude.

00:07:17.400 I know that case.

00:07:18.860 That's not true, Top?

00:07:20.660 Well, I mean, it's not like...

00:07:22.500 It's true, but not in the sense that she was an idiot.

00:07:24.520 It was like they gave her a coffee that was like a thousand degrees.

00:07:27.200 It was a malfunctioning coffee dispenser or coffee pot.

00:07:30.120 So they put it in the pot and she puts it between her legs. 1.00

00:07:33.580 And the pictures are brutal, man.

00:07:35.720 Like her legs were black.

00:07:37.480 I had no idea.

00:07:38.680 We always looked at that lady as like a piece of shit. 1.00

00:07:41.820 Oh, shout out to Subliminal Messenger and Doomsday Cracker. 1.00

00:07:43.820 They don't like that we're switched.

00:07:45.280 Usually they don't like it.

00:07:46.520 You got to switch us sides.

00:07:47.640 It's not good.

00:07:48.480 Thank you very much.

00:07:49.600 But yeah, we always looked at that lady like she was a terrible person. 1.00

00:07:52.300 Like I thought she just got burnt by hot coffee, which go figure.

00:07:55.220 And then she sued and they had to bring that to the cups as like a defense mechanism from 0.99

00:08:01.920 future people who were...

00:08:02.800 I had no idea that it was actually...

00:08:04.440 She actually got the shit burned out of her from...

00:08:06.040 That made me like a conspiracy...

00:08:07.820 I don't know if it was one of the things that made me a conspiracy theorist, but it's

00:08:10.700 one of those where you're like...

00:08:11.980 Your whole life you hear about this lady and you're like, what a stupid bitch. 1.00

00:08:14.880 But then you actually look into it like, oh my God, she was wrong.

00:08:17.840 These people were just reckless with their coffee.

00:08:20.860 Yeah.

00:08:21.180 Scalding hot coffee.

00:08:22.060 I became...

00:08:23.500 That's the black belt version, yeah, of the lady with the coffee. 1.00

00:08:26.520 Is that what actually woke you guys up into reality?

00:08:30.940 No.

00:08:31.980 I started looking for the Nephilim. 0.99

00:08:33.860 Mine was twofold.

00:08:35.460 One of them was your fault and the other one was the hat man's fault.

00:08:39.360 So I had the hat man in my family and that made me start looking up what the hat man was.

00:08:43.980 But the other one was Disney animators putting penises on the cover of Little Mermaid,

00:08:49.280 you know, writing sex in the... 0.57

00:08:51.580 Everywhere, literally.

00:08:52.780 Everywhere they possibly could.

00:08:54.920 And I refused to take the...

00:08:59.080 Or just, you know, on face value that animators thought it would...

00:09:01.760 Now, in hindsight, I'm like, animators probably thought it was funny, but I still think there's

00:09:05.620 some nefarious in it.

00:09:06.560 But that's what got me to the show was like, why are all these penises in Disney cartoons?

00:09:12.640 Well, also, two things on that that I always found fascinating.

00:09:15.660 One is that when they're not drawing this, like, kiddie Bambi crap, like, what do you 1.00

00:09:19.900 think they're drawing?

00:09:20.600 They're drawing pinups.

00:09:21.540 That's pretty much what the other line of work was.

00:09:24.820 If you could draw really, really well, if you were a great illustrator, you probably knew

00:09:28.940 the human form.

00:09:30.000 And that's kind of been like a timeless aspect of artwork.

00:09:33.560 And that also dovetails...

00:09:34.000 Yeah, probably drew some bomb-ass titties. 0.99

00:09:36.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:38.320 And speaking of, I think related to that, a lot of those original Disney classics, imagine

00:09:44.740 for a second, you're working at the top, like, the peak of your career for Walt Disney

00:09:48.840 himself.

00:09:49.580 You're working on these feature-length movies.

00:09:51.640 You get drafted, or you voluntarily sign up to go to war.

00:09:56.180 You go and you murder lots of people.

00:09:58.620 You see blood.

00:09:59.420 You see, like, the people next to you dying and their guts spilled over.

00:10:02.820 Or eventually, if you survive, you go back home, and you go right back to that same Disney

00:10:08.540 movie that you were already working on.

00:10:10.540 It's a whole completely different level of person and mentality, those classic animators.

00:10:16.000 These weren't nerds that were just trapped in a room, and then all they did was draw pictures

00:10:20.380 of, like, stupid baby shit all the time, right?

00:10:23.060 Like, these were, like, men's men that went off to war and came back and utilized the weird

00:10:29.160 things they saw, and the, like, the trials and tribulations they went through, and that

00:10:34.400 got embedded into those classics.

00:10:36.500 It's not the same as Frozen, right?

00:10:38.180 We're not talking about, like, Rapunzel and Tangled.

00:10:40.380 We're talking about the OG.

00:10:42.200 So there's something really potent about those original classics.

00:10:46.300 So when it gets into, like, the sex and the dicks, and, like, yeah, this guy probably

00:10:50.500 saw, like, 40 people die at his own hand.

00:10:53.380 So he's going to draw a dick on the cover of a poster if he wants to.

00:10:56.980 Because he can.

00:10:57.500 Who's going to stop him, really?

00:10:59.120 Yeah, Disney's going to allow it.

00:11:00.720 Disney's going to allow it.

00:11:01.520 You'll be wearing your ear if you try to stop him.

00:11:03.800 Get this dude just like, he hasn't blinked in seven years, and you're going to tell him

00:11:07.220 not to put the dick on that little mermaid over? 1.00

00:11:08.620 Yeah, he's going.

00:11:09.380 Yeah, right.

00:11:10.200 He's like, I'm either going to draw a dick on the cover of this, or I'm going to draw

00:11:13.320 a dismembered body with its guts hanging out in the background, and leave it up to you

00:11:16.560 to find it.

00:11:17.040 And it's going to be you.

00:11:17.960 Yeah.

00:11:19.120 It's going to have your face.

00:11:20.460 Really, the classic movies had so many more, like, adult messages to teach kids about life and

00:11:26.380 death.

00:11:26.540 It's not, again, it's not the same DEI things that they get accused of now, but that's because

00:11:31.580 the Disney Corporation is now this, like, egregore, right?

00:11:35.780 The idea has become so potent that it's now outliving its CEOs, and it kind of has a mind

00:11:40.800 of its own, since there wasn't a Disney to, like, keep it in check.

00:11:44.720 Yeah.

00:11:45.000 They didn't have that Rosicrucian magic touch to, like, keep the magic alive.

00:11:49.060 Well, speaking of which, I was watching on Timeline Cleanse the other day a video where Donald

00:11:55.260 infiltrates sort of this occult order, and it's all about numerology and Pythagoras, right?

00:12:03.940 And so the whole thing is, like, Donald exploring the significance of the pentagram and how it

00:12:10.280 creates over and over again sort of the golden ratio, like the Fibonacci sequence.

00:12:14.800 It can, within it, infinitely create a perfect rectangle, a perfectly ratioed rectangle.

00:12:22.300 And he's got, like, a pentagram on his palm, and he's wearing, like, a hooded cloak, and

00:12:26.580 he's doing a secret handshake in order to get in this hidden, you know, area where all

00:12:32.280 these other, you know, virtually occult members are inside.

00:12:37.260 And it was, honestly, I'm looking at it, and I'm going, like, as much as conspiracy theorists

00:12:42.440 tend to rail against all of the various things that are hidden in cartoons and such, I almost

00:12:47.860 would prefer Disney go back to that sort of thing, because that was fascinating, as opposed

00:12:52.420 to, like, obfuscating it and hiding it within symbolism.

00:12:55.180 What do we have now, though?

00:12:56.300 This is, like, instead of the, like, instead of obfuscating the occult now, I mean, I guess

00:13:00.720 they still sort of do, but everything that's, like, aimed at the children is now just trans.

00:13:05.600 But it's kind of like the war of their time, right?

00:13:08.060 So these people were doing this occult stuff.

00:13:10.040 They were in actual war.

00:13:11.700 They were seeing gruesome shit.

00:13:12.980 They drew about it.

00:13:13.940 They talked about it.

00:13:15.140 Our people went through college.

00:13:16.540 So what we're going to get, yeah, you're going to get this weird, institutionalized, gay 1.00

00:13:23.160 propaganda.

00:13:24.920 Yeah, pick your poison, I suppose.

00:13:27.440 Yeah.

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00:14:26.100 Well, I think that Walt Disney, in this context, he was very much binary, well-defined binary.

00:14:32.740 Smoked cigars, whiskey, like man's man, you know, came up in that sort of era generation. 0.97

00:14:38.240 And also the whole concept, like he had gone through Demolay, which is like Cub Scout Freemasons

00:14:44.220 for kids.

00:14:45.040 And he gets raised in that environment by the guy that actually created Demolay and not

00:14:50.040 just like some random chapter, but he was there at the foundation of it.

00:14:53.680 So I think that he came out of the gate, like roaring, like filled with a cult knowledge.

00:14:58.940 And he was able to continue that throughout his career.

00:15:01.720 But as soon as he starts sundown in a little bit, as soon as the egregore outpowers him,

00:15:07.100 it turns into its own thing.

00:15:09.120 And now he no longer has that ability to like instill like the knowledge that he wants or

00:15:15.240 any sort of a cult knowledge.

00:15:16.560 Now it's just whoever the highest bidder.

00:15:18.260 That's that's the knowledge that gets spread.

00:15:21.220 Yeah.

00:15:21.400 And unfortunately, right now, the highest bidder is is also worried about like sort of like

00:15:26.840 DEI topics or like LGBTQ awareness sort of a thing, or at least that's the past paradigm

00:15:32.100 that we've been in.

00:15:33.100 Getting rid of redheads, which is a weird theme, right? 1.00

00:15:35.700 Like that's a very consistent theme within Disney movies in particular.

00:15:39.160 It's very strange.

00:15:40.100 Yeah.

00:15:40.220 Disney movies are some of the most I mean, like obviously the most celebrated, but but some

00:15:45.580 of the most cryptic and and symbolism filled in that way, they become very fun.

00:15:50.640 Like I that's kind of the lens that I watch things through.

00:15:53.800 Like right now, I'm watching a show called Black Summer, and I was just looking for some

00:15:58.720 zombie content because I finally got over my zombie fatigue from all of the Walking Dead

00:16:04.700 shit that happened like a decade ago where we were just inundated with zombies, so sick

00:16:08.820 and tired of it.

00:16:09.420 We did an episode with a guy named Rob of Black Labs, and he was laying out his case for like

00:16:15.720 the government is trying to do this, trying to create zombies through one pandemic or

00:16:19.200 another, MKUltra, yada, yada, yada.

00:16:21.760 And so it sparked my interest again.

00:16:23.980 And what I'm noticing is like, you know, you just can't get away from that.

00:16:26.520 And I know you're very much like this, Thomas, right?

00:16:28.560 It's like you can't watch anything without picking out all the little esoteric symbols

00:16:33.580 and things of that nature.

00:16:34.840 It almost in some people's eyes would go, you can't even enjoy a film.

00:16:39.000 I'm like, I think I enjoy it more than you enjoy it because I'm appreciating all these

00:16:42.780 little elements that they put in there.

00:16:43.940 So the main character of this show, Black Summer, is this she's a white chick. 1.00

00:16:50.340 I forget what her name is, but she goes from being a just a regular mom to all of a sudden 0.53

00:16:56.820 thrust into a chaotic zombie apocalypse and then has to rise to the occasion kind of a

00:17:01.480 deal.

00:17:02.020 And she goes from being like weak and then, you know, eventually becomes this strong, 0.81

00:17:06.160 stoic character.

00:17:07.120 But all the while, they're hitting you with like divine feminine symbolism.

00:17:12.100 So she's got like a big moon on her shirt, right?

00:17:15.420 So like the sun is stereotypical.

00:17:17.080 It's masculine. 0.89

00:17:17.920 The moon is feminine energy. 1.00

00:17:19.800 It's the goddess kind of a deal.

00:17:21.400 She's got a shirt at some point with an inverted triangle on it, which, you know, the masculine 0.98

00:17:27.280 is the upright triangle.

00:17:28.700 The feminine is the inverted triangle. 0.92

00:17:30.460 So it's like they're I don't know.

00:17:33.540 Let me ask you this.

00:17:35.260 When you're doing that sort of thing, is this at all a subconscious thing that anybody would

00:17:41.560 derive any value from or because most people don't see it on the surface?

00:17:45.780 Or is this just for the people that are digging and looking?

00:17:49.920 I mean, there's there's a synchromistic aspect.

00:17:52.340 And this is like the another version of noticing, right?

00:17:55.900 You're just noticing patterns and those patterns might be there by design.

00:18:00.820 They might be there just because now we're hyper aware of certain patterns that are going

00:18:06.820 on.

00:18:07.220 So it's a lot easier to see everything through those lens.

00:18:10.140 But also, I think more overtly, it's there's like a very active pendulum swing.

00:18:15.060 It's that there's been this idea that all of media, video games, movies, everything has

00:18:21.420 been so male dominant.

00:18:22.980 So white male dominant specifically, like all the big action movie star.

00:18:27.540 And this is worldwide.

00:18:28.200 This isn't just limited to America, like even American output, I would argue, is like we're

00:18:34.460 winning culture war more than any other kind of war where most people know Michael Jackson,

00:18:39.000 Arnold Schwarzenegger and Kanye West.

00:18:40.760 Right.

00:18:41.340 It doesn't matter what country you're in.

00:18:42.740 You likely have heard about some of these characters.

00:18:45.220 So that's kind of been and ironically, those are all dudes.

00:18:48.440 Right.

00:18:48.760 So you've got the last like 100 years of male dominated entertainment media.

00:18:54.880 So now, even whether or not that has relevance to it, the perception now means that the antithesis

00:19:02.100 of that is to take like hold of that pendulum swing and try and swing it the other way as

00:19:07.460 far as it'll go.

00:19:08.440 So now you're going to get way more girl boss sort of content. 0.57

00:19:12.020 And you're going to have like a reactionary resurgence.

00:19:15.880 So almost like an attempt to be balancing this perceived sort of imbalance over the last

00:19:22.240 hundred years.

00:19:22.800 I don't think it's going to last 100 years, but I think that that's all we're seeing.

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00:20:19.620 I love them.

00:20:25.120 No, I love them.

00:20:25.700 I love Chaney.

00:20:26.660 It's just she'd get it.

00:20:28.120 No, no, I think you're probably right.

00:20:30.100 It can happen organically as just pushback from the last hundred years of iron grip culture

00:20:34.660 that we've had on the whole thing.

00:20:36.120 But you know who's not doing that?

00:20:37.660 Like India. 0.99

00:20:38.440 India is not doing that.

00:20:39.500 They still have action movies where dudes are riding motorcycles through the air into

00:20:43.800 volcanoes, you know, shooting with a shotgun in each hand, doing double backflips.

00:20:48.180 Like I appreciate that about India.

00:20:49.680 They're not doing that anytime soon.

00:20:50.840 I wouldn't trade literally anything in India for anything in America.

00:20:55.420 And that's, that's not so with any disrespect to anyone from India or any of my friends that

00:21:00.240 might be Indian or maybe Vedic culture.

00:21:03.380 If you go back far enough, but we're talking about 2025, I wouldn't trade a single thing,

00:21:08.080 dude.

00:21:08.160 A bottle of water, a stamp, anything.

00:21:12.840 But I'd say it with all disrespect.

00:21:14.700 I wouldn't trade it.

00:21:15.740 I wouldn't trade it at all.

00:21:16.640 I know you would.

00:21:17.920 A hundred percent.

00:21:18.940 You want to know something interesting?

00:21:19.820 This is still an industry that I kind of work in.

00:21:22.920 Yeah, they'll be fine.

00:21:24.360 This is an interesting fact about Michael Jackson.

00:21:26.780 Something that I looked up.

00:21:27.740 Guess where he, where the Jackson 5 originated at, David?

00:21:31.320 Oh yeah.

00:21:32.200 I learned this.

00:21:33.200 I don't know if you told me.

00:21:34.040 I think you did tell me.

00:21:34.720 It's Indiana, right?

00:21:35.380 I don't know this either.

00:21:36.840 Where was it?

00:21:38.040 Indiana.

00:21:38.400 Indiana.

00:21:40.600 Indiana.

00:21:41.720 Not India. 0.99

00:21:42.920 No, not India.

00:21:44.080 No, no, no, no, no.

00:21:44.840 I know I'm not making that connection, but I mean, do you want to, do you want to explain

00:21:48.300 why that's significant, David?

00:21:49.880 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:50.420 So more or less what's happened is, you know, we're big fans of the show Confessionals.

00:21:56.860 It seems that Tony Merkel has been unearthing a very interesting coincidence.

00:22:01.760 And that coincidence is that he's found a number of people, and so have we, independently

00:22:07.580 of him.

00:22:08.400 And interviewed him on our show.

00:22:09.500 People who are having this experience of being recruited in a dreamscape scenario and

00:22:18.400 being upgraded or warned of a coming war.

00:22:22.240 And that sounds really bizarre and far-fetched that you would have dreams where entities are

00:22:26.720 upgrading you for war, trying to recruit you, warning of one that's coming. 0.59

00:22:30.020 And it's strange on its face, but it's even stranger when you start to amass like five,

00:22:36.020 six, seven, eight different people with no connection to one another, all telling the

00:22:41.320 same story.

00:22:41.960 It becomes even stranger when they start telling you that the person who's doing this recruiting

00:22:46.580 is Baal, which is fun. 0.75

00:22:49.580 And a lot of people are talking about, like I said, independent of one another, being exposed

00:22:55.980 to what they describe as a throne room.

00:22:57.640 This sits underground in a cave system.

00:23:00.860 It's a room that is the central congregation point for several different cave systems.

00:23:06.640 And this is happening in a dream, mind you.

00:23:09.860 Although some of them claim that it's not a dream.

00:23:11.680 This is just an experience that they're having.

00:23:13.520 Maybe they're awake, but they're going to a different realm.

00:23:15.580 So there's some variation there.

00:23:16.800 But long story short, the name of the game is you're being recruited by an entity for a

00:23:21.880 coming war.

00:23:22.500 And it turns out all these people are in the same location.

00:23:26.480 They don't have any connection to one another, but that their stories and where they reside

00:23:30.280 and where they reside is Southern Indiana.

00:23:33.060 What's interesting about that is that there is a tremendous cave system that stretches through

00:23:36.900 the Appalachias.

00:23:37.740 And it also heads West across the Southern point of Indiana, also into Illinois is a little

00:23:43.660 bit.

00:23:43.860 And it's probably the biggest cave system in North America, certainly in America, in the

00:23:50.740 U.S.

00:23:51.820 But it's absolutely massive.

00:23:53.620 Like I said, it stretches all throughout the Appalachia.

00:23:55.840 So somehow all these people are having incredible visions and dreams about being recruited by the

00:24:04.700 same entity.

00:24:06.060 And they all live in the same area.

00:24:08.280 And it all takes place underground.

00:24:09.960 And it just so happens to be that beneath where they live is a gigantic cave system.

00:24:14.480 So this is something that we've been looking into for a while.

00:24:17.720 We're actually working on.

00:24:19.160 And as a matter of fact, we were talking about you, Thomas, and how you would be a good fit

00:24:23.780 for this.

00:24:24.140 Maybe we'll talk a little bit after the show.

00:24:26.120 But we are shout out Doomsday.

00:24:27.680 There you go.

00:24:28.140 Gary, Indiana.

00:24:29.020 Same place, by the way, that Stranger Things takes place in.

00:24:32.160 Which you have this upside down realm, you know, and this bringing of entities into this

00:24:38.160 realm.

00:24:38.800 Same place as the book Angelology.

00:24:41.540 Like the main focus of that place.

00:24:43.180 Yeah.

00:24:43.760 Yeah.

00:24:44.060 Somebody hit me up in a chat the other day when I was talking about this.

00:24:47.400 And they said, hey, have you ever heard about the book Angelology?

00:24:49.620 It's a fictional book.

00:24:50.620 But basically, the premise is fallen angels and Nephilim, subterranean, right?

00:24:56.220 They're living underground and they are amassing an army and, you know, preparing to do battle

00:25:02.000 on the surface.

00:25:02.700 Now, there's three locations in this fictional book where these things happen.

00:25:06.740 Serbia, I believe, China, and Indiana, interestingly enough.

00:25:12.720 So you have this like over and over again, something is nodding and nudging about this Indiana

00:25:17.580 situation.

00:25:18.140 And we were talking about doing a documentary.

00:25:19.680 We actually spoke to a documentarian the other day and we were talking about how you'd be

00:25:25.500 a good fit for it because a lot of what we want to highlight is sort of, it also overlaps

00:25:32.140 with using psychedelic substances, entering these altered states and thematically having

00:25:38.320 interaction with various entities.

00:25:40.900 And sometimes these entities are, you know, of a certain matter.

00:25:44.560 You have me as substances.

00:25:45.680 And I also want to mention the Michael Jackson link here, too.

00:25:50.660 I didn't know that he came from Indiana, but Michael Jackson, as weird as it sounds, he

00:25:55.720 also kind of seemed like he saw himself like a warrior of Christ and in a lot of different

00:26:00.480 ways.

00:26:00.920 He's a Jehovah's Witness, I think.

00:26:03.420 But yeah, I mean, I really like Michael.

00:26:05.880 Yeah, I don't think he was when he became a pop star, but no, no, no.

00:26:09.240 But but I still hold out for Michael Jackson being a good guy.

00:26:13.840 That's just where I'm at.

00:26:14.780 I think they besmirched him.

00:26:15.960 I think they lied about it.

00:26:17.100 I know the people that came out and did that documentary.

00:26:20.340 There was a lot of really shady shit about that where, you know, initially they were like,

00:26:24.260 no, not the case at all.

00:26:25.300 And then they were pressured to one way or another.

00:26:27.360 I don't really know the details, but, you know, I'm hoping that that is not the case.

00:26:31.320 I do like.

00:26:31.740 What about David Koresh on Song Hero?

00:26:35.320 Look, he's got my namesake, right?

00:26:36.900 David Koresh, David Corbo.

00:26:38.560 I like that.

00:26:39.220 I like the idea of having a cult one day called the Davidians. 1.00

00:26:42.120 They were a doomsday cult, too, ultimately.

00:26:44.180 Right.

00:26:44.340 They believe that the end times were coming shred.

00:26:47.100 Oh, really?

00:26:47.600 Could he?

00:26:48.440 Oh, absolutely.

00:26:49.020 He has.

00:26:49.260 He's got an album out.

00:26:50.080 You can find an album and he absolutely shreds better than Charles Manson wishes that he ever

00:26:54.740 was.

00:26:55.100 I love that you can come and talk to Thomas Paranoid American and learn that David Koresh 0.92

00:26:59.720 was a hell of a musician.

00:27:01.700 I think Topps actually froze in there.

00:27:03.560 So, yeah.

00:27:04.360 Well, when they were trying to flood him out of out of the Waco compound, they were starting 0.98

00:27:09.320 to play like really loud rock music, I think.

00:27:13.140 And they thought that this would like hurt their sensibilities because it was this religious 1.00

00:27:17.660 Christian cult not realizing that this dude was like born to shred. 0.98

00:27:21.600 And I think that he even set up his own half stacks and pointed them back out at the ATF

00:27:27.120 and the FBI.

00:27:27.980 And he started going through and they realized that that wasn't going to be the routine.

00:27:31.740 Yeah.

00:27:31.860 I mean, if you're going to go out, that's a pretty cool way to go out.

00:27:34.920 You know what I mean?

00:27:35.260 That reminds me of like the whole Stranger Things where he's like, you know, shredding

00:27:38.320 on top of the trailer.

00:27:39.380 He's playing like Metallica or something like that.

00:27:41.400 The Gavids.

00:27:41.920 The Gavidians. 0.96

00:27:42.800 The Gavidians. 0.96

00:27:44.080 I'm sure Topps will be right back just to keep an eye out for him.

00:27:46.360 There he is.

00:27:46.760 So, I mean, I don't know what it is, but but we're looking at this idea.

00:27:50.380 You know why?

00:27:51.500 Because we're starting to look at Joe Rogan skeptically.

00:27:54.700 It's basically like you have this situation where he's recommending that people do not

00:28:01.060 recommending, but he's influencing, certainly influencing, right?

00:28:04.340 The biggest podcast on the planet, the biggest show on the planet, influencing countless

00:28:08.160 people to start doing dimethyltryptamine.

00:28:10.120 And we have some theories about the realm that you go to and the entities that inhabit

00:28:15.400 that realm, the machine elves and the and the jesters, what they actually are.

00:28:18.540 But he's also combining that with this sort of like John C.

00:28:23.120 Lily, you know, sensory deprivation tank situation, which, if I'm not mistaken, they

00:28:28.820 use a lot of that research in the MK Ultra program, didn't they?

00:28:32.780 For for the the the the tanks that he would jerk the dolphins off.

00:28:36.760 Well, I mean, the MK Ultra program showed the CIA basically had a complete monopoly over

00:28:41.420 psychedelic research for at least two decades, right up to the point of buying the world

00:28:46.840 supply of LSD 25 as soon as it hit the market.

00:28:50.080 So no one else in the world could theoretically get their hands on any.

00:28:54.160 So in in that case, yeah, they pretty much owned.

00:28:56.980 And I just want to shoehorn in really quick to the Joe Rogan's also the guy that had people

00:29:01.740 drinking like horse semen on Fear Factor.

00:29:04.220 So like that his influence of getting people to do crazy things goes way back into the

00:29:11.100 90s or the early 2000s.

00:29:12.780 It's almost like they recognize that in him.

00:29:16.340 Right.

00:29:16.880 I mean, look, if we wanted to go full schizo and say, well, what if the Joe Rogan experience

00:29:21.580 was an asset of sorts, a cultural steering machine?

00:29:24.560 Because, look, the intelligence agencies are never going to let a good grassroots movement

00:29:29.960 go unco-opted.

00:29:31.200 So you have to imagine at some point everybody's favorite podcaster was co-opted, right?

00:29:36.160 And you would be I would be like like basically embarrassed of my intelligence agencies if they

00:29:41.860 didn't have that kind of initiative.

00:29:43.820 Exactly.

00:29:44.720 And I think you would look at Rogan and go, this guy is really good at getting people to

00:29:49.620 drink cum. 0.81

00:29:50.420 I bet you we can get him to get.

00:29:52.520 Apple flavor cum.

00:29:53.400 Yes, yes.

00:29:55.260 Donkey cum.

00:29:56.300 So, I mean, look, that's a very strange thing because at its roots, the whole sensory deprivation

00:30:02.840 tank, the float tank thing is, you know, if you look into the origins, it's all about

00:30:07.460 telepathic communication with dolphins.

00:30:09.340 And I believe he was using what, ketamine or mescaline or something like that?

00:30:12.840 John C.

00:30:13.140 Yeah, John C.

00:30:14.380 Lily.

00:30:14.600 I think they were even using DMT at some points.

00:30:16.720 And they would they would basically try to achieve a stasis of how much drugs can we keep

00:30:22.800 you in there so that you don't completely pass out or lose consciousness or your wits

00:30:27.080 about you and then just let them come down and sober up just enough to like report back

00:30:32.880 and give their account to someone else that was there and then up the dose again and just

00:30:38.060 stay in those isolation tights like is where the altered states movie came from.

00:30:43.300 Essentially, you do it enough.

00:30:44.680 You turn into a caveman and you break into a zoo and you like rape the animals.

00:30:48.000 Right.

00:30:48.380 So so this is where we're coming from.

00:30:49.700 It's like, OK, imagine the lengths as as an intelligence asset that you had.

00:30:53.440 Like, I got to conduct this fucking experiment.

00:30:55.020 I got to drug these Johns in the whorehouse and try to. 1.00

00:30:57.140 You know what I mean?

00:30:57.480 It's like you've got to go through all these lengths.

00:30:59.020 And it's like, what if we could somehow convince the public to just dose themselves?

00:31:04.060 And you're like, that's unlikely.

00:31:05.840 And you're like, what if we can convince them to get into a sensory deprivation tank?

00:31:09.660 And you're like, get the hell out of here.

00:31:11.140 All of a sudden you engineer the culture to be receptive to those sorts of things.

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00:31:30.460 Hashtag make a play.

00:31:31.860 Um, the stories that you get and, and look, here's just one anecdotally.

00:31:38.240 I won't tell the person's story.

00:31:40.120 Uh, we're going to have them on at some point.

00:31:41.840 I'm not going to say who it is or anything like that, but somebody goes down this path

00:31:45.060 kind of new agey, right?

00:31:46.720 Highly into the, uh, the health and nutrition, but also like the meditation, the, the psycho

00:31:51.280 not aspect.

00:31:52.000 A lot of the culture that's been propagated by roving.

00:31:54.200 This person was a huge fan of them.

00:31:55.420 Long story short, this guy's doing DMT X, Y, Z, and all of a sudden his child starts.

00:32:02.760 So he has a profound, seemingly horrifying experience.

00:32:06.960 And then right after that, his child starts hearing audible voices and he's like 11, you

00:32:12.480 know what I mean?

00:32:12.860 And so the guy can't help, but draw the correlation.

00:32:15.080 Yeah.

00:32:15.180 We're going to get K2 is another one.

00:32:17.120 We're going to get paranoid American smoking spice on, uh, it's called Bayou Blaster in

00:32:21.540 Florida, by the way, it's called what Bayou Blaster. 0.89

00:32:25.420 That's what, that's what, uh, K2 is called.

00:32:28.000 Uh, I mean, among the many variations, but that was the one that was my particular favorite

00:32:32.140 back in the mid 2000s.

00:32:34.300 Oh, wait up, wait up.

00:32:35.160 Tell us about, uh, tell us about your experiences on this.

00:32:37.720 This is a, we, we collect K2 experiences.

00:32:39.960 Okay.

00:32:40.080 Well, when I, when I, um, moved here, I think, uh, a slow while after all my friends moved

00:32:46.020 away, I had no connect anymore for any sort of just like, just if I want to get some marijuana,

00:32:52.060 right?

00:32:52.260 If I just wanted to find some, it was really hard to the point where I had, I had one other

00:32:56.660 friend that was also trying to find it.

00:32:58.480 We would just go to like random clubs and he went to like a gay club one time, just like 0.99

00:33:02.600 to see if he could find like the connect by making himself like the bait.

00:33:07.540 And it was, it was not easy.

00:33:09.760 And we ended up just being like, you know, the gas stations got this up and I know what

00:33:13.500 it was.

00:33:13.860 I know that they just took potpourri and some Chinese dudes sprayed chemicals on it.

00:33:17.620 And it was a different chemical depending on what day of the week it came.

00:33:20.260 Like there was no consistency, uh, but it did some kind of a trick, but yeah, there

00:33:25.380 was one particular one called Bayou Blaster and I had done the K2 and all of the ones

00:33:30.340 of the different pouches, but Bayou Blaster was something special.

00:33:34.000 It, uh, it basically made my friend's heart stop.

00:33:38.260 And it was the first time I was ever in the room with somebody that was saying like, bring

00:33:43.740 me to the hospital.

00:33:44.580 And usually you're just like, whatever, dude, like you'll sleep it off.

00:33:48.100 You'll give it like 15, 20 minutes.

00:33:50.220 You're in your own head.

00:33:51.680 This point, like he legitimately probably, probably should have called the ER, but like, fuck that.

00:33:57.340 I don't trust any of the authorities.

00:33:59.560 So we wrote it out, but like he legitimately, like his heart was like coming through his chest

00:34:04.580 at a certain point.

00:34:05.800 And, uh, I realized that this was not, and I look into that and actually some of the

00:34:10.220 original ones, the guy that made it was at, uh, some like Hebrew university.

00:34:14.960 I think it was literally called H U dash something.

00:34:17.980 This is crazy.

00:34:18.840 Right.

00:34:19.960 And there's another one too, that was called like J H something, which was also, they both,

00:34:24.940 it was the J that, you know, and the H U was the, was Hebrew university.

00:34:29.220 And either ways, the guys that, uh, created all these original versions of the synthetic,

00:34:34.580 um, THC, like these K twos, they said that they would never do it. 1.00

00:34:38.840 Like, do not do this.

00:34:40.000 This is a horrific, this is not good for you.

00:34:42.700 So I've, I've got experience.

00:34:44.660 It was at a pure desperation.

00:34:46.340 After that one moment, uh, I really just, uh, I ended up finding a, can I put all of my

00:34:52.540 pussy into it and I found a real connect. 0.90

00:34:55.080 And then luckily now we've got like recreational and I've got a doctor's prescription to do it

00:34:59.420 all.

00:34:59.700 It's like way different now.

00:35:00.760 This was, uh, 15 years ago or something.

00:35:04.060 So have you guys done K two?

00:35:06.300 I haven't, but, uh, it was, it was developed by that guy, uh, John, John W Huffman.

00:35:11.860 And he was like, he's, uh, experimenting with cannabinoids and you know, the, the receptors

00:35:16.660 for them.

00:35:17.300 Right.

00:35:17.820 And they stumbled upon, uh, this compound is called JWH zero one eight.

00:35:22.940 And, uh, he said, it's his biggest regret.

00:35:25.640 He regrets finding it and then regrets letting the people distribute it in this way that

00:35:30.900 it was a recreational substitute for K two.

00:35:33.420 And basically what they do is like JWH zero one eight is bad.

00:35:37.540 We're going to go to JWH zero one nine, you know, zero to zero.

00:35:41.520 And they just keep changing the formula like slightly.

00:35:43.980 But the stories that we've compiled from people, I'll let you tell your story on it, David,

00:35:47.980 but people like fucking basically like, he's like, yeah, uh, smoked K two went to hell. 0.93

00:35:53.140 Like my body fell, my spirit fell out of my body and I was watching myself, went to hell,

00:35:58.820 came back.

00:35:59.320 The next 10 years of my life have been garbage.

00:36:01.260 It's like, but email after email after email, we have another fucking email, uh, just sitting 0.77

00:36:05.680 in the, in the Gmail right now from somebody else that did K two got shot in the stomach

00:36:09.320 with a fucking shotgun or something like that.

00:36:10.760 It's crazy stuff.

00:36:12.040 It's a horrible drug.

00:36:12.900 That's probably one of the better K two experiences.

00:36:16.360 Then at least it takes your mind off of things.

00:36:18.920 Bird shot to the chest was one of the better ones.

00:36:20.940 No, you know, it, um, for me, it was not, it was a, a, a non story.

00:36:25.280 I don't remember doing it at all.

00:36:26.640 My wife brought it to my attention that we actually did do it together when we first started

00:36:29.820 dating.

00:36:30.400 And then I do remember driving back home in New Jersey from Atlantic city.

00:36:35.800 And I remember her driving and her saying, I feel as though I made of metal.

00:36:40.240 I am a robot now.

00:36:41.800 And then she continued to drive all the way home.

00:36:44.000 So I don't know.

00:36:44.880 Um, I didn't have that experience, but yeah, he's top is a hundred percent.

00:36:48.140 Right.

00:36:48.420 It's like everybody that's emailing us has had some sort of demonic encounter on it.

00:36:52.940 And then, yeah, some, some sort of black cloud hangs over their lives for the next decade.

00:36:56.960 But you know, a lot of these substances, even the same thing with marijuana too, where it's

00:37:01.100 like somewhere there's an elderly CIA agent.

00:37:05.040 Who's just slapping his knees at how psychedelic marijuana has become because the industry

00:37:10.500 has, has now taken it and, you know, sacrifice the CBD dialed up the THC to like spaceman levels.

00:37:17.860 And, and now everybody is on this high anxiety inducing, you know, but, but low psychedelic

00:37:26.960 dose at all times.

00:37:28.780 You know, everybody's just what, cause weed culture has kind of done that.

00:37:31.060 It's like, everybody is high.

00:37:31.800 You got to supplement that with micro dosing mushrooms in order to get that back.

00:37:36.100 Yeah.

00:37:36.420 So now, so now it's like our media is MK altering us to, to whatever degree we're getting subliminal 0.66

00:37:41.960 messages flashed and all these high level concepts.

00:37:44.320 Some people say that the, the degree to which we've been inundated with like, um, you know,

00:37:50.420 emulations of Masonic ceremony and things like that.

00:37:52.980 If you, if you do believe that, if you are watching the super bowl and you think that

00:37:56.780 there's some element of that, and they're actually doing a ceremony on the stage and

00:38:00.800 you're on some sort of like low grade psychedelic, but really high anxiety state, you're essentially

00:38:06.320 cutting out the middleman of the agent who used to have to strap you in the chair.

00:38:12.060 Um, uh, what's the clockwork orange style and peel your eyeballs open and you, you know,

00:38:18.000 now it's just steadily happening.

00:38:19.840 That's what, that's what Rogan is.

00:38:21.240 It's, it's, and I like Rogan, I wish I could get on a show one day, but it's like, they've

00:38:25.580 cut out the middleman.

00:38:26.500 He's, he's now convincing you to do it to yourself.

00:38:29.800 And we just, it's like, it's like a cell, uh, checkout self-service checkout.

00:38:34.000 This is exactly what, what they've done, but it's, it's instead of at Walmart where I'm

00:38:38.140 scanning my own shit, I am now micro dosing myself and subjecting myself to pure torture

00:38:43.500 and to the, like, to the, I don't think I'm doing that to myself because like, I feel

00:38:47.760 like if you're aware of some of the, uh, symbology that they're spreading, you're less susceptible

00:38:52.680 to it.

00:38:53.040 At least if you understand what it is, like, I'm not going to, I don't think knock on

00:38:56.480 wood that they'll ever, you know, have me do some kind of a school.

00:38:59.820 I'm not going to say it on your channel, but, uh, I, the, the person who doesn't know the

00:39:04.100 one that's just kind of like, yeah, I'm going to, it's just going to, you know, do a little

00:39:06.960 bit of this, a little bit of K2.

00:39:08.220 And then I'm going to watch the super bowl.

00:39:09.520 It's like, God only knows what's getting through their head, man, a little bit of K2. 0.98

00:39:13.720 And I'm going to watch the super bowl.

00:39:15.300 Unbelievable.

00:39:15.900 What a Sunday.

00:39:17.080 It only really, anyone that ever says like, let's go do a lot of K2.

00:39:20.580 Like that's, that's a problem.

00:39:22.080 I don't think anyone ever wants to do more than just the bare minimum of K2 because it

00:39:27.100 is such a horrible chemical.

00:39:29.460 And what's wild is that there are people that are addicted to K2 that have access to like,

00:39:35.780 quote unquote, you know, real drugs.

00:39:38.080 Now they don't have to go to this gas station sort of like a substitute, but people will

00:39:44.100 actively seek out K2 because it offers this like unique.

00:39:48.580 I can't relate to that part at all.

00:39:50.940 And I think that I'm almost pro self checkout psychedelic.

00:39:55.400 If that, if that were a thing.

00:39:56.720 Yeah.

00:39:56.960 I'd rather me because, because on the other end of that, I guess maybe a bad analogy,

00:40:01.900 but if you are like a F1 driver, if you're like a stunt driver,

00:40:05.620 when I was working at Disney, that was one of the cool things is behind the, um, in the

00:40:09.560 backstage of like what's now Hollywood studios, but that's where the stuff race drivers would

00:40:14.360 do all of their sort of like practice.

00:40:16.260 So you could go and hang out with them and like watch them.

00:40:19.220 Sometimes we'd even let you get into the car if there was no one around to basically fire

00:40:23.180 them for doing that.

00:40:24.120 But there's this, this aspect that when they're driving the car and they're going over the

00:40:29.120 jumps and they know when they're going to fish tail and they know all these different

00:40:32.080 moves, they know when to brace themselves, when to like tighten up their core.

00:40:35.860 So they don't get whiplash and all this.

00:40:37.400 If you're riding shotgun, you don't know every single move that they're going to do.

00:40:42.580 So it's almost like if this were the MK ultra analogy, right?

00:40:46.300 Like now we don't have to be in the passenger seat where you're constantly getting whiplash

00:40:50.140 because you've got no idea what way it's going to go.

00:40:52.540 Now you're in the driver's seat and you like, you know, when to brace your core and you,

00:40:56.700 and you can kind of like guide it a little bit more.

00:40:59.320 So I do like that extra level of control over the situation, but it's not like you have

00:41:05.740 to be in one of those seats.

00:41:06.980 You can also just be a bystander and not be in the car.

00:41:10.080 It's like being in a torture chamber and you're strapped to a thing for a long time and they're

00:41:14.640 just torturing you and zapping you. 0.94

00:41:16.780 And then they undo the cuffs and you go, give me that cattle prod. 1.00

00:41:19.420 I'm going to start just zapping yourself. 1.00

00:41:21.600 That's what it is.

00:41:22.360 It's the same energy.

00:41:23.100 I'd rather do that.

00:41:23.840 Let me zap myself, please.

00:41:24.900 But I just think that, you know, what you end up hearing on these experiences, it does

00:41:31.860 cross over into like a pretty biblical place.

00:41:35.440 Like we were talking to Jay Dyer and there was this guy in the 70s.

00:41:39.500 I forget what his name was, but he was basically like his own psychonaut, right?

00:41:43.960 He was deciding outside of this MKUltra program, like he was going to inundate himself with,

00:41:49.200 you know, giant dumps of LSD and do this in a research sort of a vein.

00:41:56.660 And eventually what ends up happening is he starts communicating with an entity on a regular

00:42:00.400 basis.

00:42:00.800 This entity eventually exposes itself and says that it's called Moloch.

00:42:06.840 And it said back in like the 60s or 70s that it was going to be the king of the West one

00:42:11.500 day or something like that, the king of America one day.

00:42:13.800 And look, anecdotal, who the hell knows?

00:42:16.620 Just because a dude wrote it down doesn't mean that it's definitively true.

00:42:19.580 But there's no shortage of people bumping into entities that have a name that if you're

00:42:25.820 researched in whatever the biblical corners or Sumerian texts or X, Y, and Z, you'll find

00:42:30.500 a corresponding name for that deity in some sort of mythos somewhere.

00:42:35.280 And so I think that there really is a spiritual realm.

00:42:39.420 I believe that 100%.

00:42:40.380 I believe that there are entities of all kinds of variations that inhabit those spiritual realms.

00:42:45.420 And I think that we are, Tucker Carlson was recently talking to like Roseanne Barr or

00:42:50.460 somebody like that.

00:42:51.120 And he said that, I think it was Sean Ryan.

00:42:53.080 And he said, and that guy's a fit, um, that we in the West have lost our connection to the

00:42:58.780 spiritual realm.

00:42:59.460 And then he speculated as to whether or not it was on purpose.

00:43:02.420 Uh, you can speculate to that, but I believe he's correct and take, uh, Tucker Carlson with

00:43:07.280 a grain of salt.

00:43:07.860 But, you know, I think that's a valid criticism of the West here. 1.00

00:43:11.120 And so, you know, top always highlights it really well.

00:43:14.240 He'll make fun of Joe Rogan because Joe Rogan will say like, I'm not going surfing, man.

00:43:17.880 The ocean is like shark soup.

00:43:20.160 So in other words, you can't see all the various creatures that are in the ocean.

00:43:22.920 It's super dangerous, but he's like getting this float tank and do DMT dog.

00:43:25.960 Like, you don't know what you're interacting with.

00:43:28.760 God forbid you're interacting with something ancient and adversarial that doesn't like you

00:43:33.380 because, you know, uh, go figure the things that inhabit that realm, maybe aren't all the

00:43:37.520 biggest fans of us.

00:43:38.560 And so we're just going into this realm, this shark soup with no map whatsoever.

00:43:42.480 And we're doing it at MK ultra style.

00:43:44.700 And I just don't know where that leads.

00:43:46.240 But for some people, it leads to a horrible place where their kid starts hearing voices

00:43:49.980 all of a sudden, you know?

00:43:50.920 So, um, that's kind of the, the nature of the documentary.

00:43:54.120 And we hope to flesh out, um, the names of some of these entities and then show historical

00:43:59.600 context for them and then show, you know, testimony from individuals who are encountering

00:44:04.000 them.

00:44:04.240 But we thought that it would be a great conversation to have with you on the topic of, um, the

00:44:09.380 CIA mind control programs and the usage of these psychedelics.

00:44:14.260 I'm in, man.

00:44:15.120 I mean, who do we get to meet first?

00:44:17.200 Ball or Moloch?

00:44:18.460 Do you have like a top 10 list or what?

00:44:21.060 We know Ball's in Indiana somewhere.

00:44:22.700 So, I mean, if you're down to do some spelunking. 1.00

00:44:25.100 Yeah.

00:44:25.240 Just go to one of these, uh, fucking underground tunnels.

00:44:27.540 He has a throne room.

00:44:28.840 Pretty cool.

00:44:29.460 I guess.

00:44:30.080 Maybe he has a goblet too.

00:44:32.100 Oh, he's definitely got a goblet.

00:44:34.760 I mean, what are you even doing with your life if you don't have a goblet to go with

00:44:38.700 all of the child sacrifice that's happening at your, at your feet constantly?

00:44:42.360 And it's, it's interesting.

00:44:43.660 You brought those two up too, because ball, uh, meaning like Lord or King or ruler and,

00:44:49.700 uh, Moloch coming from Malik or Malik, which also I believe meant like King or Lord or ruler.

00:44:56.600 So these are these two weird amalgamations that if, if you do encounter it,

00:45:01.340 entity that's ball or Malik, you're probably dealing with like a Voltron level, uh, sort

00:45:06.760 of entity where it's comprised of all these other like smaller entities that make up this

00:45:12.080 bigger one.

00:45:12.740 Cause that's kind of what both of those guys are.

00:45:14.880 So I don't know if we, we should find out if there's like a specific type of K2 that

00:45:20.660 you can dial in for more ball or more Malik or something like, uh, what are like the,

00:45:25.200 the freestyle Coke machines, but it would be like the spray that goes onto your K2.

00:45:29.940 Well, did you see, you ever see that meme where it's like, you know, it's making fun

00:45:33.340 of the sort of political paradigm, the left versus the right thing.

00:45:35.920 And it's like, vote for ball, vote for Malik, you know, and it's got like kind of the old

00:45:39.960 drawings of each one.

00:45:41.320 And it's, you know, it's, uh, whatever it is, two wings of the same bird.

00:45:44.580 But yeah, that's an interesting thing.

00:45:46.200 We were just talking to, uh, Graypild about, uh, Jules, the Graypild podcast was just on

00:45:51.240 our show.

00:45:52.100 And yes.

00:45:53.460 And, and there's this kind of like misnomer, right.

00:45:55.520 When you hear, and I'm guilty of it, I've made the mistake before, but it's like, when you

00:45:58.460 hear names, especially like ball, you think of that as like an individual entity.

00:46:02.020 It's kind of the same mistake that we seemingly make within Christianity.

00:46:05.840 Yeah, this is not good.

00:46:07.380 They've started.

00:46:07.920 This is, I gotta, I, I feel compelled to explain this on every show that I'm on.

00:46:11.300 Let it sit.

00:46:12.420 Well, you told them, you told them to call you master.

00:46:14.520 They're doing it.

00:46:14.900 No, I did not tell them to call me master.

00:46:16.600 And they also do not regard me with that level of respect whatsoever.

00:46:19.500 These people know that it's going to come back to bite me in the ass.

00:46:22.400 And they think that it's hilarious to call me master.

00:46:24.280 And it, it is very hilarious and it will come back to bite me in the ass and to their credit,

00:46:28.880 it's very funny.

00:46:29.560 Um, so fucking a man, uh, um, what the hell is that? 0.71

00:46:33.820 Oh, so, so I've made this mistake with, uh, and I think Christians make this mistake too, 1.00

00:46:37.920 right?

00:46:38.080 We hear like Satan and we think of that as like an individual entity, but Satan is more

00:46:42.500 like a title that it seems like many entities throughout the Bible have held at some point,

00:46:46.860 uh, these fallen angels.

00:46:47.860 And, and Satan is like the accuser, the adversary.

00:46:50.660 And it seems like his function is one of like testing mankind almost in a, um, a judicial

00:46:56.680 capacity as if he's like the prosecutor maybe.

00:46:59.680 And, um, and ball is also one of those things that is like a title.

00:47:03.100 It means like you said, Lord or King or something to that effect.

00:47:06.260 Uh, and I think it's one of those things that you would have also found multiple entities

00:47:10.260 sat in that position throughout time.

00:47:12.860 Right.

00:47:13.080 So you have like Hadad who seemingly is a counterpart, a Sumerian counterpart for, um, for Zeus,

00:47:19.100 which is, you know, the Greek one.

00:47:20.300 Yeah.

00:47:20.440 But you've got, well, actually you've got ball, um, Hadad or ball Hammond, which over enough

00:47:25.480 time turn into Kronos and Saturn.

00:47:28.200 And then you've got balls, a fawn who turns into Zeus because a fawn was the name of the

00:47:34.300 cave where Zeus was apparently created, but the original name would have been like Lord of

00:47:39.180 the fawn, Lord of this area.

00:47:40.760 But then since Zeus was born in that area, then Zeus basically replaces the concept of

00:47:46.600 balls, a fawn. 0.56

00:47:47.480 But since people were know about balls, a fawn over here and ball, Hadad and ball, Haman

00:47:52.440 and all these balls, then it just turned like the monotheistic inkling ended up just being

00:47:57.120 like, Oh, ball is the God where Malik is the God. 0.88

00:48:00.300 Yeah.

00:48:00.520 When really it was like that title, the same thing that you're talking about.

00:48:03.340 And I find it fascinating that whatever experience these people are having, it's introducing

00:48:07.020 itself as ball.

00:48:08.040 So it also, if we're to take their, their stories as the truth and really having these

00:48:11.980 experiences, um, it seems that it's quite comfortable with that.

00:48:15.180 Whoever sits in that position.

00:48:16.260 Now, do you think that there's any drug that we could ingest that would let you talk to

00:48:21.600 angels instead of demons or is it only for sober people?

00:48:25.800 You got to be straight edge to talk to an angel.

00:48:27.760 So you've talked to Dr. Jerry Marzinski, right?

00:48:31.520 Absolutely.

00:48:32.020 Yeah.

00:48:32.520 So he says that methamphetamine is going to be the most effective one at creating, you

00:48:38.320 know, elements that are reminiscent of schizophrenia and, you know, in his estimation, schizophrenia

00:48:42.080 is communicating with entities.

00:48:43.160 So, um, but you know, also nobody ever has a good time on meth.

00:48:48.600 I don't think you're doing meth talking to good angels and then like just crushing in

00:48:52.540 life.

00:48:52.820 Um, that doesn't happen.

00:48:54.760 So yeah, man, I don't know.

00:48:56.540 I mean, that's arguable because technically Ritalin and Adderall are meth.

00:49:01.160 Um, some of the earliest forms of meth that were given that the kids in like the 1900s.

00:49:06.180 Uh, so, I mean, there's probably some, some high achieving meth addicts.

00:49:10.880 If you can stretch the definition of meth, not just mean, you know, like, like Mexican glass.

00:49:15.680 I think, uh, this stuff is, it's very much like tuning a radio, right?

00:49:20.280 Depending on the type of drug that you're doing, the amount that you're doing, maybe

00:49:23.340 even the amount of time that you're doing.

00:49:24.640 Cause I know, uh, when you do, um, when you do schizophrenia, when you do methamphetamine

00:49:29.220 and you, uh, when you do it often enough, you kind of just kick that door wide open and

00:49:34.520 basically nail it to the wall.

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00:51:04.980 So it can no longer be shut, that the veil is, you know, ripped off the curtain.

00:51:10.660 Some other drugs you have to do to actually activate it.

00:51:13.620 So mushrooms, one of the people that we're talking about in Indiana that has had contact

00:51:18.240 with these entities, he does a lot of mushrooms or did a lot of mushrooms.

00:51:22.200 A lot of heroic doses to the point where, like, he'd be contacting these entities.

00:51:28.160 Five dry grams, if anyone's wondering.

00:51:30.300 Yeah, no, yeah, that kind of shit, like caps, whatever, straight to the dome.

00:51:34.560 So he'd be, the entity would give him like a nudge.

00:51:37.980 This is how he described it to us.

00:51:39.240 And it would be like, hey, today, your bedroom, you know, put your blindfold on.

00:51:45.000 Burn it all down.

00:51:46.300 Yeah, burn it all down, fucking kill your girlfriend. 0.99

00:51:48.100 No, it was like, you know, I want to talk.

00:51:50.980 So come over here.

00:51:51.860 This is what you need to do.

00:51:53.020 Take the mushrooms.

00:51:53.920 See you later.

00:51:55.200 And he would do it.

00:51:56.060 But after a while, he didn't even need the mushrooms.

00:51:59.180 It would just kind of, I think, I think he did the same sort of thing where you kick

00:52:02.660 that door wide open.

00:52:04.040 And now that gateway is open.

00:52:05.720 So whatever's coming to you can pass through freely.

00:52:08.260 But I think certain drugs allow you to come in contact with certain, a certain frequency

00:52:14.240 of entity.

00:52:15.580 And there's probably levels like dimensional level.

00:52:17.700 So what drug you'd have to do to speak with an angel.

00:52:21.300 Technically, if you're speaking with the fallen with, with something down here, that's

00:52:24.800 it's an Elohim.

00:52:25.780 It's classified as an Elohim. 0.93

00:52:26.980 So you are speaking on, I mean, well, I don't know, perhaps it's their location, like

00:52:32.360 interdimensionally.

00:52:33.120 They're, they're located lower interdimensionally, but they are the same entity.

00:52:36.880 So I, yeah, again, to answer that question, I don't know.

00:52:39.740 And so we'll tell them like a, like a gin where like, it's a different form that can have

00:52:43.880 good or bad kind of like good gin can do bad things.

00:52:47.000 And bad gin can do good things.

00:52:48.600 And it's sort of murkier.

00:52:50.480 Yeah.

00:52:50.800 I think that, uh, these are Nephilim, right? 0.92

00:52:53.200 Uh, gin are like, uh, actual offspring products.

00:52:55.980 A gin, a gin, I think would, if you had to draw a correlation, if you said these are all

00:53:00.580 the same things by different names, I think a gin would fall much more into the disembodied

00:53:03.920 spirit of a, of a previously physical being that was killed.

00:53:07.120 And that spirit is now relegated to this realm.

00:53:10.280 Uh, so very much like a, like a demon or, which is according to the book of Enoch, it's

00:53:15.680 a Nephilim, it's a dead Nephilim, but top, we've heard stories a couple of times, right?

00:53:19.980 Where, um, mathematics, mathematics, there you go.

00:53:23.300 Uh, so there is this, what ends up happening is, um, there's a couple of instances that we

00:53:29.040 got, cause we do a show called NDS Chronicles and NDS Chronicles is like, if you have had a

00:53:34.380 bizarre, unexplainable, supernatural experience, you can type it out, send it over to Nephilim

00:53:38.560 D squad at gmail.com and we'll read it on air.

00:53:41.580 And, um, and man, does that yield, please use punctuation people, please punctuation

00:53:47.120 and also be descriptive.

00:53:48.540 Um, it has yielded some of the most interesting results, dude, because you know, it's like

00:53:53.780 we're sleuthing through all these conspiracies and we're talking to like people who have expertise

00:53:58.620 in this category or that category, but the average person who has had spiritual experiences

00:54:03.080 is something that we haven't been able to delve into until now.

00:54:05.760 So what we do end up getting is sometimes people will do these drugs and they will meet something

00:54:13.020 good, but it is never pumped about what they're doing.

00:54:16.760 Like, um, well, let's say one was rather benign, right?

00:54:20.520 So a dude does a bunch of K2, I believe, and then, uh, basically falls out of the soles of

00:54:28.120 his feet.

00:54:28.500 And his spirit slides out and he goes all the way through the floor and he's now looking

00:54:33.000 up at himself and he's dropping further and further.

00:54:35.040 And he goes so far until he encounters sort of like the Gnostic, you know, the Gnostics 1.00

00:54:40.740 God, this idea of like a, a, a serpent bodied lion headed entity.

00:54:45.240 And when he arrives, it basically just says to him, like, uh, you're a long way from home

00:54:52.160 child.

00:54:52.500 And then he's like shot back to his body, but there's other ones where somebody believes

00:54:58.160 that they did talk to God, the father, the, you know, the, the one that Jesus Christ references,

00:55:01.840 and he is fucking really pissed that this guy's doing this. 0.86

00:55:06.480 And he takes them on like a ghost of Christmas past future present kind of an experience and

00:55:11.540 just shows him all the horrible shit that that's going on.

00:55:15.540 And it's very much like a, um, like an angry father, you know, is, is, and then, you know,

00:55:20.680 the guy course corrects after that.

00:55:22.180 But, um, I do think that you can communicate with these entities, but I, I think that they,

00:55:28.440 um, unless asked to by God or, um, commissioned or, or, or petitioned to by an individual, I think

00:55:38.320 that angels are very much like an, an, an, an, don't intervene unless.

00:55:42.540 They have a job to do.

00:55:43.480 Yeah.

00:55:43.780 They're very, it seems like they're very much like, listen, man, I got a boss and you're,

00:55:47.760 you're like, well, I'm not, I'm not here for all this extracurricular shit.

00:55:50.540 You're going to get me in trouble.

00:55:51.520 People building, uh, temples and, you know, cathedrals to, to St. Michael or, you know,

00:55:57.120 the angel, the archangel Michael.

00:55:59.260 When I see that, I'm kind of like, man, you're trying to get this dude in trouble or something.

00:56:02.600 Cause like if he accepts that veneration now he's fallen.

00:56:05.220 So he's been like just chilling and serving this dude for a pension for a, like, you know,

00:56:10.380 an eternity and you're going to like tempt him in this way.

00:56:14.060 It's kind of disrespectful.

00:56:14.980 So yeah, like to talk with a real angel, unless they're coming down to talk to you, they probably

00:56:19.560 like, like, again, like, so the dude that just bust in, like, like you just bust through

00:56:23.820 a veil and, and angels are just chilling.

00:56:25.720 They're like, fuck, like this guy's here.

00:56:27.920 He shouldn't be here.

00:56:29.000 They probably don't want to talk to you.

00:56:30.440 They probably just got Catholics shots fired for all your veneration of all these damn 1.00

00:56:35.260 angels.

00:56:36.100 Stop doing that.

00:56:36.940 I think so.

00:56:37.940 Yeah.

00:56:38.220 It's a bad deal.

00:56:39.360 The fallen in part were fallen because they were, they were accepting worship.

00:56:44.000 You know what I mean?

00:56:44.760 So it's like veneration, let's just say like respect and worship.

00:56:48.940 Um, it is a, it's a thin line.

00:56:51.440 It's a thin line.

00:56:51.980 Yeah.

00:56:52.120 People are fallible.

00:56:53.160 Right.

00:56:53.400 So at what point do we go from like respect and veneration to all of a sudden worship?

00:56:57.240 It's like, that's a really tight wire to walk.

00:56:59.560 And then when you start worshiping these things, you know, I do think you're tempting

00:57:03.880 them.

00:57:04.340 It's the same thing.

00:57:05.460 We need to, I need to do like more research on it, but there's like, it's like slick, slick

00:57:09.980 language about these, the fallen angels.

00:57:12.100 Cause they're referred to as watchers, right?

00:57:14.000 So they're, they're down here to watch humanity.

00:57:16.260 And then they start to tell humanity about things and teach them shit.

00:57:20.320 Yeah.

00:57:20.880 You could imagine how, hell yeah.

00:57:23.620 Nephilim dick squad.

00:57:24.560 Uh, but you could imagine how after a little while I start to teach you some stuff and

00:57:29.220 then you start coming back to me and they're like treating you like a God because you're

00:57:32.640 teaching them metallurgy makeup.

00:57:34.960 You're teaching them all this cool shit.

00:57:37.120 So that relationship between human and angel could quickly become, you know, well, a fallen

00:57:43.780 one.

00:57:44.620 And it seems like it did.

00:57:45.620 And it's not, it's not just that one time, but this is, there's a couple of falls even

00:57:49.320 throughout the Bible discussed.

00:57:50.340 Yeah.

00:57:51.000 So I just don't think that these things, I think you're probably on their radar, but

00:57:55.760 you're also on the radar of these negative entities.

00:57:57.720 The negative entities have already decided they're going to interact.

00:58:01.740 They're going to intervene.

00:58:02.580 It's like the same way.

00:58:03.320 Like, um, you know, there's that idea of like a watcher sort of alien thing where, where

00:58:09.080 a star Trek, star Trek does that.

00:58:10.680 Don't they have, um, a non-intervention clause, right?

00:58:13.680 Like you're not allowed to, the prime directive.

00:58:16.020 Although there's also a secret like black ops CIA form, which is the Omega directive, which

00:58:23.260 actually supersedes the prime directive.

00:58:25.900 And I'm showing my, my hand too much on this.

00:58:28.560 No, no.

00:58:29.100 So, so I think, um, I think that when it comes to these things, like the, the, the nature

00:58:33.740 of, this is something I say on the show often, the nature of reality is fractal full stop,

00:58:39.120 right?

00:58:39.280 We know that because if you observe things through a microscope, you can find like the,

00:58:42.860 the golden ratio of the Fibonacci sequence on, on the micro, but you could also zoom

00:58:47.480 out and see it on the macro.

00:58:48.980 Um, it's like echoes or turtles all the way down.

00:58:51.020 You know what I mean?

00:58:51.760 And I think that that's an indication.

00:58:54.420 So it's like the same thing.

00:58:55.900 Well, we'll get there in a second, but it's an indication that like, you might be able

00:58:59.440 to extrapolate on that and say, if there are other realms, they might actually have

00:59:05.200 a lot in common with this one.

00:59:06.540 And in the same way that you could say, that is the same way that you could say, we have

00:59:10.840 systems where there are, like you're saying, right?

00:59:13.760 Black ops, CIA, FBI, um, we have systems for everything that are compartmentalized and there's

00:59:20.060 hierarchies all the way down.

00:59:22.520 I think it would be very much the same thing.

00:59:24.500 And I, in fact, I don't even think that that is, I think that's why we have these systems

00:59:30.340 is because the spiritual realm is bigger than this realm and it has those systems.

00:59:35.020 You know what I mean?

00:59:35.380 And so I think that fractally speaking all the way down to the minutia, it's, it's the

00:59:39.520 same thing over and over again.

00:59:40.940 And so, yeah, I think you would find a lot of the same shit there as well.

00:59:44.600 But do you guys think that there's anything that could be good, like objectively good that

00:59:50.160 you could bring back into this realm that you find in like the, the psychedelic spiritual

00:59:54.620 realm, not like through prayer meditation, but just straight up, it doesn't have to be

00:59:58.740 K2.

00:59:59.260 It could be any drug.

01:00:00.160 But do you think that there's any version of that or does, is it all ultimately leading

01:00:04.200 to some like egotistical lies or entities that are just trying to trick or, or like

01:00:09.420 misguide?

01:00:10.380 I think in our experience, uh, so I guess the short answer is, yeah, it's, it's all

01:00:17.860 going to lead to, uh, like one lie or another.

01:00:21.660 It's, it's all about deception, but can you get some really good information on the way

01:00:26.120 there?

01:00:26.520 Yeah.

01:00:27.380 It's just that, like, I don't know.

01:00:28.780 One of the, one of the great examples is that, uh, that Bigfoot that was talking to that

01:00:32.340 lady.

01:00:33.260 Right.

01:00:33.400 Oh, the one that said it was a, um, uh, shit.

01:00:36.660 What was the word?

01:00:37.380 Um, I am, uh, it wasn't Elohim, but it was something similar to that.

01:00:41.600 It's just describing it's like relationship to whatever it was.

01:00:44.900 It was claiming to be an entity rather than, uh, like a cryptid in the traditional sense.

01:00:53.040 And it had a relationship with this lady.

01:00:55.540 And eventually like, what kind of relationship are we talking about?

01:00:59.040 It was a white woman, so yeah, she had sex with it. 1.00

01:01:02.380 So all the way she put out.

01:01:03.280 The same one, the same relationship she had with her dog.

01:01:05.680 Yeah.

01:01:06.120 Oh, shit.

01:01:08.500 They're at least kissing on the mouth.

01:01:10.480 At least, at least, at least.

01:01:12.200 Listen, there was a lot of peanut butter in the house, but.

01:01:14.860 That's first, yeah, that's first base is a, is open mouth kiss.

01:01:19.180 So I think this thing was trying to, it was trying to convince her, like it would tell

01:01:23.600 her like basically 99 truths and a lie in our opinion. 1.00

01:01:26.840 And, uh, it was, it was just leaned into like weird new age Gnostic stuff every single

01:01:32.060 time.

01:01:32.340 And it had like, it pushed when she asked it about, uh, Christ, it, it pushed her away

01:01:37.900 from it.

01:01:38.400 Like it was.

01:01:39.020 No, no, no.

01:01:39.320 It said that it, it, it knew Christ, but it said that the, something about the Bible,

01:01:44.060 the Bible being, uh, wrong or something like that.

01:01:46.080 And I mean, you know what, you know what it is?

01:01:49.560 It's like, um, so there are systems that I do think like this realm that we live in, you

01:01:57.340 know, people are like, oh, it's simulation theory or whatever.

01:01:59.360 It's like, oh, okay.

01:02:00.120 So you're telling me that somebody created it and it's not the last stop that we're going

01:02:03.020 to make sure.

01:02:03.900 That's not been said before, but you know, there are ways in which this, this reality

01:02:10.000 is permeable, um, and malleable.

01:02:12.920 And I think that there are systems that you can use to kind of hijack it.

01:02:17.180 Like, I do think that there is a lot of validity to like numerology or the various ways you can

01:02:22.540 use astrology, things like that.

01:02:24.380 Um, but I think the problem is twofold.

01:02:28.020 One, it's the things that told us it, because if you look into it, it's like, well, where

01:02:31.620 did numerology come from?

01:02:33.220 Well, Pythagoras is, is one thing, but I think even Pythagoras claims to have gotten this information

01:02:37.780 in some sort of a, an altered state.

01:02:40.040 Um, and, uh, what's the other one astrology and everything.

01:02:44.000 It's like, everything has a ruling entity.

01:02:46.480 The entity that rules over this gave us metallurgy, uh, gave us alchemy, gave us this, gave us

01:02:52.440 that you typically, even agriculture can be attributed to some sort of entity coming down

01:02:56.580 and teaching people how to do it.

01:02:57.620 But the problem is if they teach you a true thing, but then they integrate within it a

01:03:01.720 lie, well, then it kind of corrupts the entire thing.

01:03:04.040 Couple that with the fact that like absolute power corrupts.

01:03:06.740 Absolutely.

01:03:07.320 People are fallible.

01:03:08.540 So we have these systems.

01:03:10.360 Great example in the Bible.

01:03:11.940 Uh, the, the truth, the, the lie is that, uh, you'll, well, the truth is you will, uh,

01:03:18.160 what is it?

01:03:18.640 You'll, you'll have like knowledge, but the lie is that you'll be like gods or that, that

01:03:22.800 is a true.

01:03:23.360 It's like, you'll be like gods, but not explaining that.

01:03:27.480 Like, oh no, no, like these gods, not like that God that you're talking to.

01:03:30.740 So it's like a weird slip of the tongue.

01:03:32.260 Like you'll be like a God and a God.

01:03:34.240 Uh, I don't, you know, they're, they're cool, but they're fallible as hell.

01:03:38.860 A lot of them get killed.

01:03:39.840 A lot of them get trampled on and have horrible faces.

01:03:42.300 Yeah.

01:03:42.320 Even the Bible says, or Enoch says you will die like men, right? 0.63

01:03:45.900 Yeah.

01:03:46.320 Yeah.

01:03:46.760 If we're going to cite the Bible, which, which Bible is the right Bible? 0.62

01:03:50.720 It's hard to say.

01:03:51.580 I mean, look through all the translations, you've lost so much really important context, uh,

01:03:57.140 because these words are like multi meanings.

01:03:59.600 You know what I mean?

01:04:00.420 It's like, you look back into the, the, the ancient Hebrew or, or Greek, uh, that it was

01:04:04.940 originally translated from.

01:04:06.020 And you find that one word has like a plethora of definitions that all do interconnect, but

01:04:10.520 like, it seems like their language was so much better than ours because it was like one

01:04:14.760 word gave you a really, um, huge descriptive.

01:04:18.760 And it had so much like a context in that one word.

01:04:22.360 I don't think that we do that now.

01:04:23.740 So I, I think that, um, one of the, you would probably, what's that one of the words that

01:04:29.800 like, I've been stuck on lately.

01:04:30.920 I mean, you could, you could use the example of Nashua.

01:04:33.360 It means to deceive, but it also means to lend on interest.

01:04:36.060 And that's the word that Eve used when describing what the serpent in the garden did to her.

01:04:40.240 But, uh, I've been looking at the word eternity in, uh, in Greek and in Hebrew as they use it.

01:04:47.500 And that word, it's like, it extrapolates to a bunch of other words, but one of the like

01:04:51.840 important things to me is that it says that it's for eternity, how they're using it.

01:04:57.460 It just means like an indescribable amount of time.

01:05:01.360 And when I look at that, like, like we, you know, if we're going to talk about heaven and

01:05:05.640 hell, right, you'll be in heaven for eternity.

01:05:07.640 You'll be in hell for eternity.

01:05:08.960 It's like, what's an eternity, an indescribable amount of time.

01:05:12.840 How does time work on the other side?

01:05:15.020 I don't fucking know.

01:05:16.400 It seems like it's dilated over there, but it certainly doesn't work the way it works here.

01:05:19.900 60 seconds in a minute, you know, 60 minutes in an hour.

01:05:23.240 Uh, so when it says an indescribable amount of time, it's telling me that there is an

01:05:28.240 amount of time.

01:05:29.680 That's all that you've said to me.

01:05:31.000 There is an amount of time.

01:05:32.440 So you'll spend an eternity in hell or an eternity in heaven, but an amount of time.

01:05:37.480 And that word is very important.

01:05:38.920 But when you read it in the King James version, it's just says eternity.

01:05:43.040 So you're like forever.

01:05:44.520 We have no concept of it, but they were describing something different.

01:05:47.300 That's really important.

01:05:48.640 Gets lost in translation.

01:05:49.520 So, you know, take the Bible for what it is, take the, take the translations for what

01:05:54.120 it is, but it's still a very powerful book.

01:05:56.000 I think you just, you know, people need to look into the words and the etymology of some

01:05:59.140 of these words a little bit deeper.

01:06:01.360 Well, there's a similar concept too, about like the real name of God.

01:06:05.700 Um, and that like, it had, you know, 72 letters or there's, there's all these versions, but

01:06:10.260 essentially there's this ineffable name of God.

01:06:13.300 And then the, the, I guess like the theological debate on that one is that, is it ineffable

01:06:18.360 because it's been lost?

01:06:20.040 Is it ineffable because you can't pronounce it?

01:06:22.100 Like we don't have the vocal cords that could actually say the name of God, or that the second

01:06:27.100 you say it, you just evaporate or like they're, they're like, there might be a self sort of

01:06:31.800 regulating aspect to it to why it's ineffable.

01:06:34.640 But it's a lot of the time, I guess the most surface level explanation of that is just that

01:06:39.880 we don't know it, that you don't know what it is.

01:06:41.760 So like eternity, oh yeah, it's just infinity.

01:06:43.840 It's just so much that you can't calculate it.

01:06:46.880 But I think that's interesting that you're saying is that, you know, that it actually

01:06:50.960 is a, an amount of time because it's being defined as an amount of time.

01:06:55.160 And then I guess eternity might just be so large on the scale.

01:06:58.940 They didn't have, maybe it's like a new null or like a, like a Google Plex or some massive

01:07:03.460 number that has like 37 zeros after it.

01:07:05.700 So there really is a set amount of time to go through.

01:07:09.080 Yeah.

01:07:09.300 And, and to top's point, it's like, we're, we're getting pretty comfortable with the idea

01:07:12.960 that, um, in other dimensions, time doesn't work this way.

01:07:17.180 Right.

01:07:17.640 You know, we're, we've all been beat to death, whether it's through media or otherwise with

01:07:21.020 this idea that like time doesn't flow in a linear line, like a river does.

01:07:24.720 Um, I forget what it is.

01:07:26.140 There's like a movie that famously says like time is like a flat disc, right?

01:07:30.060 Um, somebody described it once as like, you know, you're putting a record player on a,

01:07:33.940 on a, uh, you're putting a record on a record player and dropping a needle.

01:07:37.140 Now that needle is hitting a specific moment in time, but all of it is happening all at once.

01:07:42.620 It just depends on where the needle is.

01:07:44.520 And look, I don't know if that's true, but if we start to entertain that idea, that time

01:07:49.240 is what's keeping us rigidly in this third dimension.

01:07:51.660 And that in order to get to a higher dimension with which quantum physicists swear there's,

01:07:56.000 there's fucking higher dimensions.

01:07:57.140 There's 11 of them or some shit.

01:07:58.160 I don't know.

01:07:58.880 Um, then you might imagine that when you go and experience those other ones, you're out

01:08:02.900 of the confines of time.

01:08:04.000 So then what does it mean to suffer for an eternity?

01:08:05.960 I don't know.

01:08:06.700 So, so we lack the, uh, the context with which to understand these things, but I do

01:08:13.720 think that there is an overarching story that's happening when you look at all these different

01:08:18.620 religions and they're telling a very similar story in their mythos, right?

01:08:22.720 There's elements that overlap with one another to the extent that you might even surmise they're

01:08:26.780 talking about the same events.

01:08:28.540 My thing is Christianity wins out in my opinion, because it's telling you the nature of these

01:08:34.060 deities.

01:08:34.860 So how do I put this?

01:08:36.460 It's like a lot of people will go like, oh, you're Christian.

01:08:39.000 So you think that other religions are wrong.

01:08:41.520 And it's like, well, that's a little reductive.

01:08:43.080 What I would say is that other religions are describing things that are real in my estimation,

01:08:49.460 but the nature of these things.

01:08:52.000 So you talked about the Vedic belief system before, right?

01:08:54.340 And it's like, they have all these blue multi-armed entities that also engage in like eating

01:08:59.100 human beings and all this other shit.

01:09:00.340 I just think they're talking about the Nephilim and the fallen.

01:09:04.680 So where things go wrong, it's the same thing where the Anunnaki narrative goes wrong.

01:09:08.420 It's like the Anunnaki, the story of it, what the Sumerians were recording was a series

01:09:13.260 of real events.

01:09:14.440 The problem was they were getting the information about the nature of how they were created,

01:09:18.940 how they came to be in this realm that we inhabit from the fallen, right?

01:09:24.220 The same thing with the Vedics, in my opinion, they're getting their information about all 1.00

01:09:27.520 this stuff.

01:09:27.900 There's a lot of really interesting stuff.

01:09:30.060 I believe there's even context in these other religions that the Bible doesn't have because

01:09:34.240 the Bible almost feels like this is what they need to know.

01:09:36.660 Because if it was the story of everything, it would be a never ending book, right?

01:09:40.580 We'd have to carry it around on an 18 wheel or a flatbed to bring it from one place to

01:09:44.420 another and then nobody would ever get through it.

01:09:46.380 So it's like the story of what they need to know in order to arm themselves while they're

01:09:50.920 in this realm.

01:09:52.040 But everybody else is telling stuff with a little bit more.

01:09:54.940 So there's, you know, there's some things that I think like the Vedics might actually

01:09:58.240 have right about shit that took place. 0.53

01:09:59.800 Also keep in mind, I mean, the, I think it was a Constantine, the dude who like put together

01:10:04.460 the Bible that as we know it, um, they put together, it's, it's a, like, there's a lot

01:10:09.500 of truth to like religion being a, uh, control structure, you know, and they put, they put

01:10:15.140 the parts that they, that they wanted for, to keep this as a cohesive religion.

01:10:19.940 There are extra canonical books and you need to read through them and check them out to

01:10:23.520 see if you think that they were actually, that they would belong in this canon, you

01:10:27.740 know, but there certainly are things left out.

01:10:30.240 There's weird translations of stuff that matters more than you'd say that I'm just

01:10:36.020 playing devil's advocate for what the Bible is as we know it.

01:10:40.300 But still, even, even so after it's like still compiled and like whittled down, take

01:10:46.020 books taken out and put in this form, it still has more truth than most of these

01:10:51.560 religions. It's very, it's a very odd thing to think about.

01:10:54.040 The thing that I think gets me the most is like, it all hinges on one really important

01:11:00.980 detail. The Bible talks about these angels falling, a third of them falling. And then

01:11:07.900 Enoch goes into more detail about the nature of it and what they did when they fell. Um,

01:11:13.440 and then these other religions are telling a story about a pantheon of gods.

01:11:17.340 And in Enoch, it's talking about how they are terrible, right? Their children are destroying

01:11:25.020 the land. They're eating human beings. They're doing all this terrible shit. These, these fallen

01:11:29.000 angels are accepting this veneration and this worship. Um, and to me, I go, oh, they're, they're

01:11:35.380 talking about the same characters. It's just that one book is coming from the POV of these

01:11:42.820 fallen entities. And the other one is coming from the POV of, you know, or at least the

01:11:47.920 standpoint of, yeah, these entities are fallen. So I think a lot of them are telling the same

01:11:52.180 stories. That's why I think there's so much overlap, but you're getting something fun.

01:11:55.960 This is where, you know, within spiritual lies and deception, there's this methodology that's

01:12:02.060 used where it's like, you're going to tell people 10 things. Nine of them will get to, nine

01:12:06.980 of them will be the truth. And once you get to the ninth truth, they're willing to trust

01:12:11.400 you when they're willing to believe you. That's when you finally get them with that

01:12:14.660 one lie. And I think that one lie is, is infamously the nature of these entities.

01:12:20.000 And so, like I said, I think you'll, it's the same entities that you'll see in, in Sumer.

01:12:25.240 It's the same entities that you'll see in the Greek pantheon. It's the same entities.

01:12:28.740 And, and with some variation, I mean, like if a third of them fell, um, I think, is it

01:12:34.940 Jasher or I forget which book has their count at like 200. I don't know if that's actually

01:12:39.060 accurate. You have to take these extra canonical books with a, with a grain of salt, but you've

01:12:42.500 got a great deal of entities that have fallen. And then all of these beget like offspring

01:12:48.220 one way or the other, whether you believe they had sex with human beings, or this was through

01:12:51.920 some sort of genetic manipulation. So now the numbers become unmanageable and the variation

01:12:57.400 becomes incredible. And so through that lens, it accounts for every strange aberration that

01:13:03.020 you come across in, in mythology. Honestly, we've gotten so schizo. I'm to the point where 1.00

01:13:06.700 I'm like, yeah, satyrs, a hundred percent real. You have a precedent for Baphomet, you 0.92

01:13:11.160 know, being this entity. If you take it at face value and you go, okay, maybe there was

01:13:14.100 a spiritual entity of some sort that was part man, part goat. You have these cherubim 0.55

01:13:18.100 that have the face of an ox in the face of a lion, the face of a man in the face of, I

01:13:22.340 forget what the hell it is, but there's, as they described the angels, so much variation

01:13:26.740 in them, especially having to do with animals. If these things had offspring and they looked

01:13:30.240 anything like them, then there's your answer for all these strange things.

01:13:33.140 Well, if, if we get super reductionist and we go with like what the Bible is kind of

01:13:38.800 explaining to people. So I understand like, if you were to interpret a large portion of

01:13:43.460 it almost as a farmer's almanac, which equates to all of the different astrological processions

01:13:49.220 and sort of like formulas that get baked into that too. But it also seems pretty straightforward

01:13:54.480 that there's going to be an antichrist first, and then you get the second coming sometime

01:14:00.220 after that, right? Like, like there's a very like linear progression to that. And

01:14:05.220 the antichrist is the one that promises you, uh, these sort of things of like immortality

01:14:11.040 or being like a God, like that promise essentially comes from the direction of antichrist. And

01:14:15.820 I always wonder, is this, uh, is it a little bit too obvious? Because imagine you can count

01:14:21.060 cards and you're in Vegas and you're playing blackjack, like, you know, when they flip that

01:14:25.240 card, like ignore that card because you want the card that's behind it. Like you're waiting for the,

01:14:31.160 the ACE or the face card, right? If they just flip the nine, you're like, no, no, no. I know that

01:14:35.760 there's some face cards buried under there. I'll just, I'm just going to hold back, let you get

01:14:39.820 rid of that nine and I'll take that, that next face card. So like, is it too obvious that you don't

01:14:45.820 accept the first God that comes up? If it's Elon Musk and he's like, you can upload your

01:14:49.920 consciousness to your cyber truck and live forever. Like that would be the first version

01:14:55.140 of the antichrist. But then does that mean that like you jump on the next one? Because there's

01:14:59.880 not really anything that explains that there's going to be two antichrists. There's going to

01:15:03.740 be three antichrists and then there's going to be the second coming. It almost seems that

01:15:07.900 one antichrist and then whoever purports to be the next Jesus is going to be the real one.

01:15:14.280 I said that this is overly reductionist. No, no. I say, I understand that. And I,

01:15:18.280 it's something that I gave a lot of pushback to like Paul Stobbs or JT follows JC on because

01:15:24.380 they're, uh, they're big, like that would not, they're not big, but they're, uh, they like to

01:15:28.960 talk about this thing called the little season. Have you heard about that? Right. Like the,

01:15:32.160 the post millennial or post messianic age where it states that like Jesus already like the antichrist

01:15:39.520 came and went Jesus came and went and we're sort of like mom never picked us up from the soccer

01:15:44.360 match. And we're just like waiting for mom to show up and she's not coming.

01:15:47.500 It's a great way of describing that leftover generation. And you know, they have some good

01:15:51.700 arguments as to why that is a possibility. And I like, I go back and forth. I'm like, nah,

01:15:55.400 I don't think so. Because there's things in the Bible that say that, that, uh, should have happened

01:15:59.280 and it would have been pretty obvious if, uh, it did. Like what? Like what are some things that

01:16:03.720 haven't happened yet? Well, number one, I mean, just like the flattening of like all the mountains

01:16:07.640 that's in the book of revelation. Like every mountain is flattened. There's mountains. Also animals

01:16:11.960 should be like, we should be able to talk to them and basically they shouldn't be tearing apart each

01:16:16.720 other. This idea that like the lion will finally lay with the lamb. Like they should be peaceful

01:16:20.780 amongst one of them. You're not seeing any of that. Oh yeah, that's right. The wolf. That's

01:16:24.820 fucking Mandela effect dog. How dare you? Yeah, I know. The flattening of the mountains is a rough

01:16:29.480 one though, because if you were to, you were to take like a flat edge ruler and look at that under a

01:16:34.640 microscope, depending on how far you zoom in, you can see ridges on, on even that. So, I mean,

01:16:40.640 if you were to look at a mountain range, if you zoom out far enough, it eventually becomes a straight

01:16:45.240 line, right? Especially on a flat earth. I would imagine because these things are like, uh, a tale

01:16:51.340 of what's to come. These are things that matter from our perspective as, as, you know, uh, one of

01:16:57.080 the big ones that Ed maybe brings up that I tend to really agree with is like, okay, Jesus came back,

01:17:02.580 ruled for a thousand years with a rod of iron. And we have not one shred of evidence that he was here

01:17:07.680 before. Explain Donald Trump then. Okay. You can't. Exactly. And that's the problem.

01:17:14.280 The point, so the, but the point I'm making is that like, so this is why I take exception with that

01:17:18.940 sort of, uh, theory because I'm like, all right, well, what happens? Let's say you're right.

01:17:23.640 Or let's say you're wrong. And let's say Jesus does come back. And people who are saying, this is,

01:17:29.000 you know, this is, uh, uh, we're in, we're in the little season, but things play out the way they're

01:17:34.800 supposed to in the book of revelation, they're going to look up and turn away. It's a big moment,

01:17:39.940 right? Cause like, I think that when this happens, when it happens, we're all going to have a decision

01:17:45.380 to make right there. Boom. Like you see this thing in the sky and Joe Rogan even just brought it up to

01:17:50.480 that guy, uh, Wes Huff. He was like, he's like, man, in today's day and age, if Jesus comes back,

01:17:54.820 uh, like, you know, we're talking about drones in the sky, we're talking about blue beam, we're talking

01:17:59.080 about all kinds of other government psyops. How would you know? And it's a great question. So

01:18:04.060 Paul Stobbs said it, JT said it, and I say it as well. Like, I don't know really when this plays

01:18:10.780 out because it does look fairly obvious. Like, all right, if I just hold my hand, you know, I know

01:18:14.580 that, that the dealer has, the dealer is going to bust because he's already played too many cards

01:18:18.880 and I'm watching it. But how do, how do you really know? How do you really know when you're

01:18:23.460 presented with? And I think it's just like, Hey, you got to have a relationship with the guy.

01:18:27.320 Like you'll know, you'll know the dude when you see him, that sort of a thing. So yeah,

01:18:31.540 you know, there are a lot of the little season shit resonates with me too, because it's like,

01:18:35.940 there are times when, and I'd be interested to know if you feel this way, Thomas, it's like,

01:18:41.120 as a conspiracy theorist, you're looking for one thing or another. And it seems that sometimes

01:18:45.260 they're showing you their hand. And we get into that, whether it's like revelation of the method,

01:18:49.700 is this to free them of some sort of karmic consequence? Is this so that you take part in

01:18:53.480 their sin if they're doing this evil thing? And now you know that it's happening.

01:18:56.860 Um, but there are things that feel like purposeful breadcrumbs, right? I mean,

01:19:01.260 you know, we were able to, uh, make like two or three episodes about the likelihood that Donald

01:19:08.220 Trump was going to survive a headshot. Now, is that because Top and I are psychics or something?

01:19:12.580 Like, no, it's just that we were able to see that there were some things that were happening around

01:19:18.020 him that were like anti-Christ centric. And they were very obvious. And so we figured, well,

01:19:24.500 if this is truly what we're seeing, then one of the things we might expect to see in the future

01:19:27.820 is him survive a headshot. So of course, when the headshot happens, we end up going on like tinfoil

01:19:33.020 hat and saying the opposite. Now we could have gotten on there and said, he's definitively the

01:19:37.880 anti-Christ. Look, here's the proof is in the pudding. But it felt theatrical. It felt fake.

01:19:44.120 And it felt like one of those things where they're like trying to get people like us

01:19:50.120 unhinged schizos, but also critical thinkers who, who aren't willing to take the, you know,

01:19:56.460 the status quo's explanation for things as gospel. And so, um, it feels like sometimes they just do

01:20:02.660 these things to make us, uh, like, okay, there's conspiracy theorists. Let's give them some conspiracy

01:20:07.380 to chew on. Right. That's like cognitive infiltration. They just want to mess with schizos

01:20:13.540 every once in a while. It could be that, but I mean, look, you have that, that precedent for like

01:20:18.700 Cass Sunstein joining the Obama administration, writing that paper on like cognitive infiltration,

01:20:23.180 this idea that like these intelligence agencies do see that there's a lot of, um, uh, noticers out

01:20:29.660 there and, and look, they, they characterize them in a distasteful way, right? These people are just

01:20:33.340 bad for democracy and they're bad for America and yada, yada. So what they do is they

01:20:37.180 want to infiltrate the movement and then steer it one way or another that's beneficial to them. But

01:20:42.360 eventually you got to ask yourself, are you the smartest banana in the bunch or are they laying shit

01:20:48.180 that's there? It's meant for the average person to miss, but the slightly critical thinker to catch.

01:20:54.980 And sometimes I feel like they're patronizing you. Like you're the slightly critical thinker.

01:20:58.580 You think you're smarter than you are in the UFO community. I mean, it's the, we know that they do

01:21:03.520 this. Like they're like, yeah, we just fucking laid this stuff out there and we wanted this guy to

01:21:06.960 spread this information. And then he did. And they're like, perfect. Now we have UFO culture.

01:21:10.680 That's all kinds of messed up and nobody knows if they're coming or going. So Milton William Cooper

01:21:16.400 famously is one of those people that was like at the forefront of ufology and then was like,

01:21:22.240 Oh yeah, by the way, I also worked for Naval intelligence, uh, specifically to release this

01:21:26.880 kind of stuff. But trust me when I say like, that was the bunk stuff and here's the real stuff. And,

01:21:31.520 and I, I almost think that that trend kind of exists today. I'll, I would put one other option

01:21:36.240 out there too. You've got this planned like chess procedure where they're just trying to

01:21:40.840 do misdirection and make this move while you're looking over here. There's also like the synchro

01:21:45.680 mystic aspect of it. But I think that also, what if it's like the, the time isn't linear,

01:21:51.740 like you guys were talking about almost like a medieval wheel of fortune aspect where it just keeps

01:21:56.600 going through the same, uh, movements, like the, the, the needle drops, right. And it's on the same

01:22:02.560 record in the same spot. It just depends on which groove you're currently in, but it keeps like

01:22:07.080 replaying over and over again. But with the Donald Trump headshot, this, in my mind, this was clearly

01:22:12.880 a King kill 33 ritual, the same type that took JFK out and Dealey Plaza, uh, you know, like this,

01:22:18.820 this Masonic, uh, James Shelby downward style ritual. He's got the blood on his right ear,

01:22:24.540 right hand, right foot, right. But, but hear me out. I, I think that they're tweaking the formula

01:22:29.780 a little bit because like, this isn't your grandpa's King kill 33 ritual. They had this

01:22:34.760 like old shoe shine, you know, like, like elbow grease version of it. But now we've gotten

01:22:40.200 sophisticated to where they can take the shot at Trump and Trump does all the theatrics and he's

01:22:46.220 bleeding. And Oh my God, there was a session on the president. But what really happened? Like what,

01:22:52.040 what actually happened in the real reality that we were existing that took Joe Biden out, bro.

01:22:56.700 That was a headshot that hit Donald Trump, but it took out Joe Biden. And if you think about it

01:23:02.840 right before that happened, there was sort of rumors that like, will he, won't he, you know,

01:23:08.600 what will he just like give a Kamala sort of the reins of the white house? Will he step down? 0.51

01:23:13.440 But it would have been seen as this huge moment of weakness. And it would have almost like,

01:23:17.800 that's exactly what the King kill ritual is. It's when you want to transfer power

01:23:22.320 from one to another without losing any in that process. So the only way for Joe to have actually

01:23:29.120 taken a step back without showing just complete weakness was to show the strength of this other

01:23:34.900 person that actually takes the headshot. But the death, the actual sacrificial ritual is sort of

01:23:40.900 transferred onto the old guy on his way out. It's the same King kill ritual. It's the same exact

01:23:46.440 motions that everything goes through. It's just that now when, you know, dude gets hit with the

01:23:51.400 arrow, the dude on that side dies. Like there's still a transference, like everything went through

01:23:56.700 the same motions, but it's almost like, what is it? The, the JHW one Oh one eight. Well, now this is

01:24:03.140 the one Oh one nine. Like they've just tweaked the formula a little bit. Like we got the K2 version

01:24:07.560 of a JFK assassination.

01:24:09.100 I love that. And I think that that really resonates with me. There's this, so, okay.

01:24:16.540 There's a lot of things about Trump, right. That are, that are very strange. Like this idea that

01:24:20.880 of the Ingersoll Lockwood books. And I know, I know people beat those things to death, but I do think

01:24:26.820 they're worth mentioning. And, and especially on this concept of like time, right. And we're talking

01:24:31.160 about whether or not time's linear or this and that. I don't think that that is indicative of like

01:24:36.480 Donald Trump being a time traveler. Right. I also don't think that like his uncle working at M or

01:24:41.340 being an MIT and then being recruited by the FBI to go through Nikola Tesla's writings and shit like

01:24:47.880 that and cleaning out his office after he died. And then reporting to the FBI. I don't think that

01:24:52.940 that is also like, I don't know. It's, it's all built in, right. You also have like all the strange

01:24:58.840 shit that's going on with Donald Trump and Biff Tannen or whatever his name is.

01:25:03.480 You said you don't think, but you don't think what, did it happen or that there's any modern

01:25:08.280 day relevance to it have happened? No, I don't think it's, I think it's theater to give us,

01:25:14.380 to lock us into this like time traveling thing. I don't think this motherfucker traveled time.

01:25:18.700 I don't even really believe that the Ingersoll Lockwood books came out in the late 1800s and

01:25:22.440 just somehow flew under the radar. Like, I just don't, uh, you can, you can manually, I know that

01:25:27.380 the guy seems to be a real guy and there's, he wrote other books, right. Uh, uh, 1900 and the last

01:25:32.140 president and the marvelous underground journey of little Baron Trump and all this other shit.

01:25:35.220 But like, I don't know, it just doesn't seem, I can't verify that it was out back then. So I have

01:25:41.240 no way to, and then like, I don't know, it just feels like everything between him and Elon here.

01:25:45.140 I want to show you this real quick. Uh, I'm going to present something. So this was just the other

01:25:49.420 day. We have Elon here. Let's share this. And, and this is actually a little bit of a bummer,

01:25:53.640 not a bummer, but it's just like, whenever you see something you've been harping on and then all of a

01:25:57.260 sudden it goes viral. Uh, so are we pulled up on the screen? Okay. I'm just going to read this

01:26:01.660 lady's tweet. It says, okay, it's really long. I'm going to read a little bit of it. Uh, so let

01:26:05.880 me get this straight. Nikola Tesla dies and the only person allowed access to his safe. The one

01:26:09.720 containing all his most secret inventions is John G Trump, the brilliant MIT scientist. And oh yeah,

01:26:15.340 Donald Trump's uncle who conveniently says nothing to see here while the government quietly packs up

01:26:19.680 Tesla's life. Then she goes on. Oh my God here, this, this feels like she's been watching our show.

01:26:23.900 So 1958, the episode of track down, um, uh, features a con man named Walter Trump selling a

01:26:30.300 magic wall, uh, to save people from the end of the world, which is true. 1958, a series called

01:26:34.420 track down. The episode was called end of the world and a con man comes to town named Trump and he has

01:26:39.480 to build a wall to save everybody. So, I mean, and then she goes on to talk about the Ingersoll

01:26:43.500 Lockwood books. I swear to God, this bitch is watching our show. Um, Werner von Braun and the father 1.00

01:26:48.080 of rockets. I just talking about Elon Musk colonizing Mars and that Werner von Braun book. I, this is actually

01:26:52.940 uncanny. I swear to God. She's been, so it doesn't matter, right? What matters is this Elon Musk,

01:26:58.700 just a coincidence, winky face. I recognize that that is done in such a way. Elon Musk does this.

01:27:12.320 He will entertain a topic that is frivolous and, and off balance for the average person. And then you

01:27:19.760 will watch that topic organically bloom into life, into a much larger conversation. Almost want to

01:27:27.100 say, mark my words by the end of the year, this will be common knowledge. And I think it's too,

01:27:35.540 there's so much with him and Elon and QAnon and fucking Tesla and the Ingersoll Lockwood books.

01:27:44.100 It's, I cannot look at this through any other lens, but incredible theater. It's incredible

01:27:51.440 theater. It's beautiful. It's obvious for Elon because he ostensibly puts himself at the center

01:27:57.480 of attention. Like think about how many other companies, these Matt, like massive, like global

01:28:02.940 conglomerates don't really have a front man. They don't have a human mascot. It's like, this is me.

01:28:09.220 This brand is me. And look, here's my opinions. Almost every other, like who's the, the human

01:28:14.380 mascot for Ford or Chevy or Mitsubishi or Acura, any of them, none of them have that, right? Who's

01:28:21.440 the, the one person that like represents NASA? I guess you could make an argument for Virgin

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01:29:31.300 inner center of attention. And it almost reminds me of, of like a King that is like inviting all the,

01:29:37.760 the poor and the poppers to like be in their presence. But if you don't kind of like give 0.98

01:29:42.420 your wink and your nod, then you're sort of showing that you're not really invited to that party. And I

01:29:48.020 think that Elon having an opinion on anything on his own social network, like even his workers,

01:29:54.320 even the AI that is now replacing his workers, even it knows well enough that, oh man, if Elon,

01:30:00.780 if Elon gave this some attention, we better give some of that attention back. We better make sure

01:30:05.140 that people see this and they interact with it because otherwise the king gets pissed off in his

01:30:09.540 own kingdom. He's the king playing. We, we spoke about this with Owen Benjamin. He's the king,

01:30:14.460 but he seems like he's not content with that role. And he wants the role of the, almost like the

01:30:19.580 jester or the fool. He wants to play the hero, but he is stuck as the king. And you just can't do

01:30:25.600 these things because like you're saying, like you could see the people on Twitter that are,

01:30:30.420 that have to be loyal to him because he's basically made them, he's crowned them. So he'll,

01:30:34.560 here's a, here's a bad opinion. And they're all like, shit, I can't disagree with them. So

01:30:38.140 everybody claps anyway. You can never be the jester and speak the truth if everybody around you is

01:30:44.320 beholden to you. And that's kind of what he's built there is, and it's an interesting dynamic.

01:30:48.700 Well, that's even if you take him for, for being genuine in the ways that he's like,

01:30:53.620 shout out to Chad Warren in the chat, uh, says it doesn't seem possible. Elon could be on Twitter

01:30:57.420 all the time while also running all his companies. Yes. I mean, we have an example of that.

01:31:01.800 We've been beating that to death though, right? It's like the boring company, Starlink, Twitter,

01:31:05.640 SpaceX, all these fucking different things. And on top of it, he's ranked like number one or number

01:31:09.460 two in Diablo. And I've, I've seen somebody say real deal. Like you, we've, we have somebody like

01:31:14.120 that that we can look at that runs their company as the face of the company. And it's,

01:31:17.740 and Donald Trump in a way, yes, but he's not necessarily, he's like delegating. Uh, but Dana

01:31:22.980 White runs the UFC and he is the face of this. He's a personality. Yeah. That dude is fucking

01:31:27.760 busy. That's just one company. This guy has like seven. And you can tell when Dana talks, you're

01:31:33.460 like, this dude is busy. He's like, he's tired. You know what I mean? You don't have time for your

01:31:36.540 shit. Yeah. Elon Musk is talking all slow. He's wasting time on Twitter spaces. He's getting ratioed by,

01:31:41.900 you know, green frog counts. It's like, what are you doing, dog?

01:31:46.180 Yeah. And to, um, RGZ max point says, but I'm sure he has a couple of AI personalities. I believe

01:31:51.340 that's exactly what we're seeing right now. There's a, there's a character named Aiden something,

01:31:55.580 um, or Adrian rather on, uh, on X. It sounds exactly like him, but the cadence is like slightly

01:32:01.520 different only in that it's faster. And, and somehow that's indicative of it not being Elon Musk. I'm like,

01:32:06.460 either it is Elon Musk or he's just got an AI. He's got an Ultron to his Tony Stark, you know?

01:32:11.540 And that's the other thing too, is like, I recognize the theater of that too built within

01:32:15.240 the Avengers series. Is this, you know, like, um, like Elon Musk is playing the Tony Stark of,

01:32:20.640 of, of the Avengers right now. You have this, uh, billionaire playboy philanthropist. And,

01:32:26.160 uh, at one point, you know, during the Stark expo in the second movie and X is really big for some

01:32:33.100 reason it's capitalized. It's highlighted amongst all the other words when he,

01:32:36.460 lands on stage in his, in his Iron Man suit, he does his whole speech. He steps off stage.

01:32:41.680 The first person he talks to is Elon Musk making a cameo. Um, they said that they modeled Tony after

01:32:48.040 Elon. You could actually look that up. That's just common knowledge. You're like, yeah, we wanted him

01:32:51.340 to have, which is strange because if you listen to Tony Stark, he doesn't sound anything like fucking

01:32:54.500 Elon. Uh, and then, uh, there's also in the movie age of Ultron where he's talking about creating,

01:33:01.240 uh, uh, a suit of armor around the entire world, right? That's what the AI is supposed to

01:33:06.400 be. And you look in the background and what is it? It's a web of satellites encompassing the

01:33:11.320 planet, all interconnected, just like what Starlink, you know what I mean? So it's like,

01:33:14.940 there seems to be some, some way in which, uh, even the Marvel films have like, kind of like right

01:33:21.320 now we have the Avengers of conspiracy theories. This is something that I've been talking about

01:33:26.340 for a while. So there are certain topics that are along party lines, you know, whatever the

01:33:30.340 Democrats want, whatever the Republican wants, but you can almost look at conspiracy theorists,

01:33:33.660 like they're a separate party and we have our own topics of interest, right? Whether it's like

01:33:37.200 fluoride in the water, chemtrails in the sky, you name it, we've got our things that we talk about.

01:33:41.300 The president would be like Alex Jones, right? Well, all right. Yeah. So we have our,

01:33:44.700 Alex Jones might be like the Hulk or something. Cause he's like, ah, I really enjoy that about him.

01:33:49.220 But we have, um, this, these characters that aren't really part of the Trump administration,

01:33:55.380 but are all on that side, the side that we want, the side that's more refreshing to the shit that

01:34:02.920 we've been succumbing to for the past, you know, however many administrations. And it's like, you

01:34:08.360 have Trump, right? Trump is obviously QAnon. He's built into the QAnon thing. He's going to save the 0.52

01:34:13.900 children. He also got his, uh, political conversation started by being a, what would you call it? A birth

01:34:19.380 certificate denier, whatever, uh, Obama's Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then you have Joe

01:34:25.280 Rogan, um, who's, you know, ostracized and demonized by the mainstream media only to come

01:34:30.880 out successful and on top. But his entire thing was the pandemic and the lockdowns. And that's

01:34:36.120 really his bag. You know, you have, uh, um, RFK. He's talking about taking the floor out of the water.

01:34:42.100 He's talking about, you know, inoculations being bad and causing all these different diseases and shit.

01:34:47.140 Something that's been, you know, true to conspiracy theorists heart for a long time,

01:34:50.800 fear about inoculations. Um, and then you have Tucker Carlson to Tucker Carlson's talking about

01:34:56.000 the Nephilim. He's talking about, uh, demonic attacks in his sleep. He's talking about these,

01:35:00.300 these, you know, UFOs and how there's a spiritual nature to them. You have like sort of this meeting

01:35:05.060 of them. Obviously you have Alex Jones. He's in his heyday right now. And you know,

01:35:09.460 he's literally conspiracy daddy. There are all these people that are like kind of becoming

01:35:14.920 the main people that we focus on, on the world stage. And they're all representing

01:35:19.280 shit for conspiracy theorists. And that sounds like it's good. Right. But to me, it feels like,

01:35:24.620 um, it's meant to let our guard down. Like we go like, ah, they've got it covered. Even Elon Musk,

01:35:29.880 right after we did Bohemian Grove, where you gave, uh, an awesome talk on, I don't want to say it. I

01:35:35.520 don't want to get, but you know what you gave a talk on.

01:35:37.180 Well, you can say Adrenochrome. Um, so you gave us a talk on Adrenochrome and then we got on stage

01:35:43.900 and we did a presentation on, um, on, uh, we did a podcast on pizza gate. And then like two days

01:35:50.820 later, Elon Musk retweeted the fact that John Podesta's homie who ran, um, uh, cover for the 0.98

01:35:57.680 pizza gate thing and was outspoken denial about it. Uh, he just got caught abusing children and Elon

01:36:04.740 Musk retweets it. And it's literally an article that says John Podesta pizza gate child abuse

01:36:10.540 and Elon Musk retweets it. I mean, there are so many elements that include the things that we care

01:36:16.460 about that are not being represented. It feels like we're meant to let our guard down and let

01:36:20.080 these motherfuckers, you know, do the legwork for us or something like that. It's all of it just feels

01:36:24.540 too strange to me. I mean, it's a great time to be a conspiracy theorist, but I don't believe a

01:36:27.880 fucking lick of it, dude. Well, I I've have a similar take on Epstein getting taken down. That was

01:36:34.720 a way of making people think like, Oh, someone's got this under wraps. P Diddy getting taken down.

01:36:39.600 But I guess maybe even, even better example is the Tim Ballard movie. This is the sound of freedom,

01:36:44.800 I think. So this movie comes out at like a fever pitch of when everyone's like, Oh my God,

01:36:51.440 they're, they're stealing the children. What are we going to do about this? And then all you have to

01:36:55.400 do is watch the movie and you get to go through this catharsis. You get to be like, Oh my God,

01:37:00.600 thank God that Jim Cavaziel is, is taking care of this for us. He's saving the kids. Like this is

01:37:08.120 being sorted out. We can go ahead and focus on the next thing. Meanwhile, like nothing's actually

01:37:13.820 happened on that front. A movie came out and a dead guy may or may not have been dead.

01:37:19.480 just gets to escape out into like his other Island, like Island option B. And so, yeah,

01:37:25.100 I think that what you're describing is sort of like that cathartic release where as long as you've

01:37:30.140 got the theater, like the theatrical version of it, the same thing where someone goes and watches

01:37:35.200 a movie of an action hero. Now they don't feel like they have to do anything heroic because,

01:37:40.260 you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger's got it or whoever the hell is that proxy that they got to like

01:37:45.100 vicariously live through. Yes. Yeah. I think that that's what we're being subjected to. It's kind

01:37:49.780 of like, um, bread and circus that's now left the silver screen and is meant to be interpreted as real

01:37:55.800 life. And, uh, and I think it is to do exactly that. It's to quell you or to lure you into a false

01:38:01.400 sense of, uh, security. Uh, Chad says Trump has big ties to Epstein. That's who ran the model contest

01:38:06.900 where he found America. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you're looking at, at Trump as, as your hero,

01:38:11.480 um, I mean, yeah, I, I think that Thomas is correct. It is the, we just watched a Kingmaker

01:38:17.380 ceremony, right? We just watched a Kingmaker ritual and, and, um, and then, you know, they

01:38:22.580 just, we, Oh, here, here's another good piece of theater. We have, um, New Year's day, New

01:38:29.680 Year's Eve and Elon Musk is spiraling on Twitter. He's getting ratioed. He's banning people. I think

01:38:37.540 that was when all the Groypers got banned. They got their, or they got their blue check marks. 1.00

01:38:40.460 What's a Groyper? You're going to have to explain what that word is. I don't even really

01:38:43.680 know. It's a Nick Fuentes fan. No, yeah, it's just, yeah, it's a, an America first or like

01:38:48.640 somebody that listens to Nick Fuentes there. They have some cool opinions, but, uh, they

01:38:54.540 kind of, uh, lionize one person a little too much and then they get a little bit weird

01:38:59.860 and ideological and they also don't have much life experience. So, so these are Swifties

01:39:04.180 for Nick Fuentes. That's what a Groyper is. Is it supposed to sound like a Groper or is 0.99

01:39:09.480 that, is that, I don't know. I don't even under, I don't understand it. I try not to

01:39:13.740 understand it. It's beneath me. So, um, but he bans all these people and, and takes

01:39:20.180 away Nick Fuentes' blue check and he's a big account. So, you know, that ruffles some

01:39:23.280 feathers and, and basically he's just arguing and he's getting ratioed over and over again.

01:39:27.700 Now this is happening on New Year's Eve while he sat next to, uh, Donald Trump, who's

01:39:32.360 just having a good time. These two are supposed to be having a good time doing their media rounds.

01:39:37.400 It's, you know, it's Trump time, baby. And instead Elon Musk is just, yeah, just freaking

01:39:41.400 out. Right. What happens the next morning? Cyber truck representing Elon Musk is a dumpster

01:39:46.660 fire, uh, right outside of Trump towers, gold and glistening and, and without any damage

01:39:52.160 to it. And it's almost like it's meant to be a picturesque representation of like the

01:39:56.800 thing that happened the night before. And I'm looking at that.

01:39:59.660 Someone forgot the thermite. That's all I'm saying. Somebody forgot to plant the thermite on

01:40:04.260 the inside. And then of course this whole thing, by the way, it plugs into like the drone

01:40:07.920 situation in this situation. And it just becomes, and that is by the way, the beginning of the

01:40:12.600 kickoff to like psyop season where we just been like inundated these past 13 days have

01:40:16.720 been a blur. I can't even look at what's going on because I can't pick. It's also exciting

01:40:21.100 that I, it's like, you know, you go and you have like too many options and you can't pick

01:40:24.220 what you want to eat. It's like that. Like I want to look at these things, but there's so

01:40:28.300 many of them going on, but I just see that as like, that is you, you somehow took the

01:40:33.540 events of the night before and, and made them one of the most iconic photos of our time

01:40:39.660 really. Right. I mean, top went, as far as putting it on a shirt says psyop season, it's

01:40:43.080 a banger shirt. Even the picture of this, of the flaming cyber truck was like, I need that

01:40:48.120 blown up and on my wall. It was such a great picture.

01:40:51.120 Toplopster.com, right?

01:40:52.480 That's right. Toplopster.com, baby. You go and get your psyop season shirt and look like

01:40:56.240 a real killer out in public, but I don't know if people are going to be too pumped about

01:41:00.160 what you're wearing, but you'll be pumped about it. Yeah. It's just a little secret.

01:41:03.900 Doesn't fucking matter what they think. Doesn't fucking matter. Nick is a homo for twink cat 1.00

01:41:08.440 boys. I love cats and he does not resonate with me. I'm also a twink. Um, so I don't know,

01:41:13.960 man. It's just like, you know, we're in this, in the swing of things. It feels too much like

01:41:18.200 from beginning to end, everything to do with Donald Trump's arc, you know, even, even if you

01:41:24.560 just look at it on its face, it's like, you have a guy who is a good president, but, um,

01:41:31.160 sissies can't stand his rhetoric. And then you watch him get, um, wrongly persecuted and

01:41:37.980 everything falls apart. Nothing holds water. It all ends up not being true, but you still

01:41:42.560 watch this guy go through the gambit of all these accusations and everything. And if you're

01:41:47.620 smart and you're paying attention, you're like, look, he's talking about grabbing pussies, 0.99

01:41:50.560 but the economy is good. And the, the legislation is good. And, um, you know, they're, they're

01:41:57.140 really levying a bunch of false shit against them. And then you watch them get taken out

01:42:00.700 of power, yada, yada, yada. By the way, a dude who wrote the art of the comeback does

01:42:06.260 what takes a bullet to the ear and makes one of the most theatrical comebacks. This is

01:42:10.780 fucking wrestling, right? It's pro wrestling, by the way, you know, something crazy kind of

01:42:14.660 came across my table yesterday or the day before. Uh, so the inauguration is on the 20th

01:42:19.460 and today is, so that's a week from today. Um, yeah, but from the 17th culminating to

01:42:25.300 the 21st, 21st being the most evident, there's like a huge planetary alignment where like three

01:42:30.240 or four planets will be, uh, evidently aligned in the sky. So I'm just like, man, just more

01:42:35.860 weird astrological shit that coincides with big geopolitical events on this earth. I just

01:42:42.860 have my, I don't know what it means, but I have my eye out for some weird shit going on.

01:42:46.620 It lines up too weird. I mean, look, everything we just said, right. About this whole art of the

01:42:52.020 comeback thing, the guy makes a, he's also the hero of QAnon. You know, you're talking about the,

01:42:56.780 the sound of freedom or whatever. It's like, if that shit ever gets resurrected, which I think it

01:43:01.020 will, I think we will end up seeing the second act of like all the Q shit, all the Epstein Island 1.00

01:43:07.020 shit. I think they've tucked it away and they're waiting to toss it out as really excellent theater.

01:43:12.700 Um, and I, I don't know if we're going to see that soon or not, but I, it just, I can't look

01:43:17.420 at it these days any other way, dude. We're just being subjected to theater and ritual because within

01:43:22.440 us is this innate storytelling mechanism. I think it's there for a reason.

01:43:27.420 Let me start winding us down a little bit too, with one, one final question about time. Cause time

01:43:33.220 became a topic we were getting into. Are, are we literally living in end times? Like, do you think

01:43:39.180 that we are going to see between the three of us in the next 30 years or so the end of time,

01:43:45.900 or is that also just this abstract concept that doesn't really have any meaning because

01:43:50.620 that's a linear thing? Uh, tap, you could take this one. Yeah, that's a hard, it's a hard question.

01:43:56.380 Are we living in, I think every generation's felt like they're living in the end times. And I,

01:44:00.700 but, uh, what's unique to our generation is that a lot of the things, well, I mean, biblically,

01:44:05.500 a lot of the table is set as far as like, so, uh, a good, for instance, like, uh, when,

01:44:11.400 when you're reading the Bible and it's like, well, when Jesus comes back, everybody's going to see it

01:44:14.680 simultaneously. And you're like, well, if the earth's flat, maybe we'll see a real big Jesus

01:44:19.760 and everyone could kind of see him across the whole world. Yeah. But what if we had cell phones,

01:44:25.420 you know, like, so this is our generation. So that kind of prophecy is right there for you.

01:44:29.780 That is saying that it's possible, but it's, there's also a possibility where it's every single

01:44:34.760 generation that's felt this way. And it could just be another false start. What I do know for

01:44:39.260 sure is that we are led to believe by the powers that be that this is the end generation. This is

01:44:46.400 the last, like the, this is the final, this is the final generation. So whether it's legitimate or not,

01:44:51.280 somebody has went through painstaking, a painstaking process to make us think so. So take that however

01:44:57.300 you'd like. I, I don't know, but what was the main question? Oh, that is, are, are we in the end

01:45:02.000 times? And I think going what you're saying, cause one of my other fascinations, I don't know how much

01:45:06.320 you've gotten into Mormonism. I know you did a show with, uh, with my good friend, Heidi love

01:45:10.680 great, great show. She has great content. She's got, she has got like months worth of content on

01:45:17.380 this. But one of the things that I'm the most fascinated about with the Mormon religion is if

01:45:21.140 you look into the early days of the early 1800s, when it first was getting its start,

01:45:26.080 they were not talking about end times, like it'll happen in our lifetime or it'll, it'll happen in

01:45:31.800 the next, you know, three or four decades. They were saying like this October, this October of this

01:45:37.780 year is when the antichrist comes and we all need to pull our resources. And they did, they like

01:45:42.680 squirreled away resources and put together armies and they remain like a tight knit group. But then

01:45:48.260 October came and went and it didn't happen. And then they started pushing it out. Then it was like,

01:45:52.380 Oh, next October. And then it was like, okay, well now the end times is in two years from now,

01:45:57.360 but it's fascinating to see like an historical record of a large group of people that were saying

01:46:03.100 it's like, it's this year or it's next year. They weren't talking about some vague terms of like

01:46:08.120 lifetime now after, you know, making the wrong calls for about two centuries. Now I think everyone's

01:46:14.420 a little bit more vague about it. And they just say like the end times are upon us, which might be

01:46:19.200 your great, great, great grandkids or beyond. It's not really specific enough,

01:46:24.100 but there are some people that truly believe that it's going to happen in their lifetime.

01:46:27.780 You can, you can also look at it this way. So that's just one religion and one sect of

01:46:31.500 religious people, which is really easy to get into that echo chamber. I'm in an echo chamber on

01:46:35.380 Twitter. It's the N word echo chamber, but that's not the point. What's the N word?

01:46:39.560 Don't worry about it.

01:46:40.020 Nephilim?

01:46:41.340 Actually, yes. Nephilim is going to be the N word of the spiritual realm. I've, we've already decided that. 0.97

01:46:46.460 Did you, did you see on X, they had a, they're going to be de-boosting people according to like

01:46:52.040 negative, what was it? Not like negative engagement or negative language. They, Elon Musk wants

01:46:58.860 everything to be positive. The King's declared. And one of the prerequisites of negative language is

01:47:04.280 speaking about the Nephilim and that sort of conspiracy, but whatever, that's neither here nor

01:47:08.480 there. What I'm saying is, is that's a very small group of people and they're in an echo chamber

01:47:13.520 right now. We have all eyes on 2030, the year 2030. You have project 2030 going on. You have,

01:47:21.400 uh, Helena Blavatsky saying that Jesus Christ will return in the year 2025. There's a, besides all of

01:47:27.420 the other, um, what was, yeah, I mean, Donald, Donald Trump coming in, he's playing this weird

01:47:32.200 anti-Christ role. They have, uh, the red heifers in, in Israel that just went away. They probably

01:47:37.540 already burned them and sanctified the tools that they need to erect this temple.

01:47:40.760 They've been recast as black mermaids at this point, actually.

01:47:48.480 But basically, basically what's going on here is that it's not one religion or one group of people

01:47:53.300 that is, is like preparing for the next couple of years. I can't give you an exact date, but in 2025,

01:47:59.080 it feels like closer than ever because everybody is converging on a certain timeframe. And it looks

01:48:05.040 like right around 2030, like the elites needed to get whatever the fuck they needed to get done by

01:48:09.300 2030. That's why they pushed through COVID. That's why they pushed through the vaccine.

01:48:13.140 We had operation warp speed and everything has been breakneck speed, PSYOP season, right?

01:48:17.580 So we're moving towards something real fast. I don't know what it is, but the people who are

01:48:22.800 moving towards it think that it's going to happen. That's all. That's really the best that I can tell

01:48:27.360 you. It's not just one religion. It's not just one group of crazy people in a compound.

01:48:31.100 It's pretty much the entire world, or at least the entire world of powers that be. And they're

01:48:36.100 separate entities, all kind of doing shit that looks a lot like the end times. So I don't know.

01:48:42.860 And also to your point, we're lucky enough to have been, I think all three of us lived through the

01:48:47.840 last three major end times, which was Y2K, 2012, and now 2025, 2030, you know, God willing.

01:48:55.040 Still kicking. Well, to your point earlier about Mormonism, Jehovah Witnesses did the same thing 1.00

01:49:01.560 a lot. I think it was like they predicted the end of the world, like 22 times or something like that.

01:49:08.060 And most of that was in the early 1900s. And then they kind of also became very vague about it.

01:49:13.920 Well, Y2K and 2012 are sort of like these fringe ideas. So 2012, like goes back to the Mayan calendar,

01:49:20.000 right? There's no extension of the Mayan calendar. Okay, that's fine. But that's still

01:49:23.920 geographical. And it's kind of like the Mayan culture. Y2K was a computer error. It was one

01:49:30.700 of these things that swept the world. And we're like, well, what happens when the fucking clocks

01:49:33.440 go? Nobody knew. This is like biblical precedent. And this is global. This is like, Christianity is 0.85

01:49:39.540 not a small thing. This is a global idea that you have the Jews involved with this stuff. There's a 0.95

01:49:45.380 Satanist certainly looking at this stuff, whatever, whatever the governments, whatever their

01:49:50.560 spiritual alignment is, they're making moves at this as well. So it's not just like one like

01:49:55.820 computer error. It's not one.

01:49:58.180 Well, you mentioned Helena Blavatsky citing 2025 or 2030. But like, is there is there actual biblical

01:50:03.780 precedent somewhere that talks about 2025 or 2030?

01:50:07.560 If you talk to there's a so this is an interpretation of biblical text. It's called Messiah

01:50:14.280 2030. And if you look it up, it's very compelling. Some theologians do have some bones to pick with

01:50:22.340 it. We did talk to Ed Mabry, who we were introduced to through tinfoil hat podcast. And now he does the

01:50:27.700 book of Revelation series with us. We're like on episode 23 or something like that. And he watched

01:50:32.640 it. He was like, honestly, it was really good. And I don't have much of a bone to pick with it at

01:50:35.660 all. There are some small things. But ultimately, what they've done is they've identified and I would

01:50:41.000 argue pretty compellingly, that there are cycles that you can see in the Bible. And they, it's

01:50:46.180 almost like it constantly points to itself every so many like stories or something, it'll kind of

01:50:52.020 flip back and talk about the same time period. So there's like a code within it. I only watched the

01:50:56.280 first hour of it. It's it's pretty long. And I was blown away. It's really, really interesting. But

01:51:02.940 I can't really speak for it because I haven't watched the whole thing. So there are those who have

01:51:06.220 disseminated through the Bible that 2030 is the time. But so, you know, you just talked

01:51:11.240 about Blavatsky. She predicted there was going to be a new age, which is not unheard of, right?

01:51:15.740 It's the idea of the age of Aquarius. A lot of kind of people in the occult space, you know,

01:51:22.420 that we now reference to predicted that we were coming to the age of Aquarius at some point.

01:51:26.480 In fact, even if you go back and watch like the old Zeitgeist thing, it was like, what's coming

01:51:29.560 next is the age of Aquarius. Alice Bailey.

01:51:31.800 It's debated too. Some people think age of Aquarius doesn't happen until like the year

01:51:35.320 like 2600 or something.

01:51:37.400 Yeah. Yeah. So it is something that's debated, but they do have 2025 as being relevant. And Alice

01:51:42.040 Bailey also said that 2025 was going to be a new golden age. And then it was going to be

01:51:47.760 marked by the return of Christ sometime after 2025 and that this would be the age of Aquarius.

01:51:52.860 It's interesting because Trump keeps using that language, golden age. We're going into a golden

01:51:57.600 age. That's what his presidency is going to be. I just think that that's kind of fun. But

01:52:00.900 you have a Baba Vanga also, by the way, who, and this is something that we've been looking

01:52:05.400 at this idea of like disclosure on the horizon, what I shared, just it's just to show what

01:52:10.520 it says there. So Baba Vanga, who is like this kind of like babushka character. What

01:52:16.240 does it say? Donald Trump, the dawn of America's golden age. And that's the second time he's

01:52:19.980 used that language. I think that it's not just a second. He's used this a bunch of times.

01:52:23.680 So this is, yeah. Verbi is that he does like gold. He does like gold, baby.

01:52:29.180 Um, so Baba Vanga, she's kind of this old babushka lady. She was blind. She was a clairvoyant,

01:52:34.580 a really famous psychic. She predicted a number of things, 9-11, the death of Princess Diana,

01:52:38.500 even her own death down to the day, uh, she was able to predict. And she predicted that in 2025,

01:52:44.280 we were going to have alien contact with, if you've been watching this whole disclosure thing,

01:52:48.640 um, and that's a whole nother, you know, bag of worms to get into. Uh, but I do think that a lot

01:52:54.040 of things are pointing to 2025. It's, it's a top's point. It's much more than like a Y2K thing. Y2K

01:53:00.200 was like, we have, you know, the date is going to get, there's going to be a lot of zeros. I think

01:53:03.560 it was like, it was a clerical error. It was a clerical thing. They thought they were going to

01:53:07.020 lose all the data, uh, in, in, in digital form. Um, and then of course the Mayan calendar really was

01:53:12.380 only backed by our interpretation of the Mayan calendar. That was pretty much it. But now we are on

01:53:18.300 the cusp, like you have this character, Cliff High, who I'm not going to really beat anybody's

01:53:22.480 ear with it, but he has, uh, an AI that has an ability to scrape the data off the internet and

01:53:28.000 make predictions based off of it. It predicted that 2025 was going to be this, uh, cusp of a moment

01:53:33.020 where we're going to be introduced to aliens, UFOs, and that that was going to lead to sci-fi world.

01:53:39.060 That's what Cliff High talks about. And that to me sounds like a new age, right? So, um, I think this

01:53:45.420 is, there's a lot of things that are pointing to this moment. So, all right, just to finally give

01:53:50.760 you a short answer, um, are we going to see the end of time within our lifetime? I think we're going

01:53:56.080 to see something really incredible over the next one year. And I think it's going to be about the

01:54:02.520 end of time. The only thing that's yet to be seen is, are they making us believe that we're at this

01:54:08.140 end of time event or is this a genuine end of days event? Because I do recognize that there's

01:54:15.300 an effort to seemingly manufacture biblical prophecy. So I can kind of go either way on

01:54:20.680 this, but where, what I will think, I do think I'll, I'll stand firm on the idea is we're going

01:54:24.680 to see some fucking really monumental shit happening in this next year that conspiracy theorists are

01:54:30.300 going to be checking off the bingo seat. Uh, the answer, the answer either way is that like, 0.86

01:54:34.100 are you going to see the end of time? If you believe biblically, like read, read the book of

01:54:38.020 revelation. It's really interesting. The apocalyptic stuff is fun, but it doesn't describe an end of

01:54:43.320 times. It just talks about a new, like a new start. There still will be humanity as we know it

01:54:48.300 existing. The earth will still be the way it is in some form or fashion, but it'll be different. So

01:54:53.700 like, will everybody die? No, I don't know. Everyone's not going to die. It's going to be weird times,

01:54:59.100 but on the other side of it is going to be, well, if you, if you believe in the traditional

01:55:03.620 book of revelation, then you'll be under the reign of Christ. This is a thousand year reign of Christ

01:55:08.040 where people will be human beings, but, uh, you know, the conditions around us will be a lot better.

01:55:13.900 And even that still falls after a thousand years when presented with the alternative where Satan is

01:55:19.240 loose for a little season. Still the Pete, like most of the people go like, yeah, yeah, we, we choose

01:55:24.180 Satan because because you're retarded. No, I mean, you're, you're presented with a world now where 0.99

01:55:30.100 like, okay, you want a King. I'll give you, this is every single time you want a King. You want a

01:55:34.820 ruler. Like you want a strong man. You want a Donald Trump. You want an Adolf Hitler. I'll 0.89

01:55:38.340 fucking give them to you. And when you get them, it's not what you wanted because you have to make,

01:55:42.660 it's just about making the choice yourself, but I digress. So it's not, it's not the end. It's just

01:55:47.240 like this next thing. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that. We're not going to see the end of time. Um,

01:55:51.820 but I do think that we're just there. I think it is big ass paradigm shift. And, and I think that

01:55:57.440 if Donald Trump is truly the antichrist, what you'll end up seeing is like, we're going to

01:56:00.780 enter a really nice period for the next like three and a half years. Uh, it's going to crush. It's

01:56:04.880 going to be really cool. The economy is going to be great. Um, I think that people like us,

01:56:08.780 right. As the world gets stranger, more people will be looking to us, uh, for, you know, not only

01:56:13.720 entertainment, but also to help them make sense of this. It's not like we have a chokehold on the truth.

01:56:18.500 Everybody's sitting here on this screen, but I think we've got a little bit better of an

01:56:21.520 idea than the average person. So it'll be good. It'll be good for business. Uh, but during that

01:56:26.500 time, you know, we're going to stop being a conspiracy theorist. We're going to sell a bunch

01:56:29.880 of, uh, what's it called? Uh, fucking guess who boards, which is how we started. Yeah. And I guess,

01:56:36.920 uh, uh, I don't want to run this too long for you guys. Just give the audience a quick idea about it.

01:56:42.100 I would love to get feedback from people in the audience, baby. We're professionals. This is what we do.

01:56:46.400 That's right. Um, in the chat sound off and also like just after the fact, please give us some

01:56:51.180 feedback about this, uh, version of guess who can you guess who that's a mystery, but instead of

01:56:56.000 just like regular people, it's all kinds of conspiracy characters. Like, uh, has your character

01:57:01.820 been sued by the families of the, of the victims of Sandy hook? And to go, no. And then you flip down

01:57:07.700 Alex Jones, you know what I mean? Or like have some other characters in their Rothschilds and such.

01:57:12.060 If you guys would love a conspiracy, been in contact with some kind of spiritual entity and

01:57:17.120 you go, yeah. And then they don't flip down any. Cause it's like, it's all of them.

01:57:20.660 Fucking all of them ever. You got to ask better questions, baby. So if you guys would love a

01:57:24.380 conspiracy, uh, guess who sound off, if we get enough feedback, then we're going to do a sort of a,

01:57:29.660 a startup for it and see if we can get it done. So, um, but that's how we started the conversation.

01:57:34.820 Cause that's what we talked about. I've been wanting to do for a very long, I've got all the,

01:57:38.920 the pieces lined up, but yeah, it's a considerable amount of work and, and money likely to like

01:57:45.280 raise, to get all those made. But I think that would be dope. I think that would be the coolest

01:57:49.000 thing ever. Yeah. Has your character been, uh, uh, in communication with the, uh, the ascended

01:57:54.120 spirits of ancient Atlanteans. And it's like, yes. And now like David Ike and a few others still have

01:57:58.840 to stay up. Yeah. It's, this also lends itself to expansion packs. Like it's cause it's basically

01:58:03.560 going to be like a, a cardboard slide in that you can switch out, switch in and switch out. So, I mean,

01:58:08.920 the sky's the limit. We could, you could do a conspiracy. You can do like comedians,

01:58:12.920 you can do your favorite podcasters. If you ask a good enough question, somebody will have to

01:58:17.320 Google it. Like, shit, I don't know. Did this motherfucker talk to the spirits of Atlanteans?

01:58:23.280 Well, if you guys want to see that, let us know. Your character like sued by the Sandy Hook

01:58:27.840 families. And then you're like, yes. And then the game's over. That's it. Yeah, that's it. That's it.

01:58:32.600 Well, if you're good at asking questions, it's your guy black. It's like, damn it. It's the one guy. 1.00

01:58:38.380 There'll be no black people in this one. 1.00

01:58:42.180 It'll be its own expansion pack. Oh my God. Oh my God. Yeah.

01:58:46.500 All right. I want to, I want to get your guys's takes on a whole bunch of different things. We'll

01:58:52.700 do a kind of rapid fire, but I've got a little 10 second segment. Let me just play it first and

01:58:56.780 I'll explain the rules. Hey, conspiracy buffs. I double dare you to take some PCP,

01:59:00.780 the paranormal conspiracy probe on your marks, get set and go.

01:59:08.920 Sweet. And right before the show, we all did PCP. It should be hitting you guys right about now

01:59:13.560 to like line out perfectly. It's like the third lines roar and you hit play and on the wall. So

01:59:19.720 I would need to ask you guys, the rules are basically one to 10. You're going to rate the

01:59:24.920 things that I say on how much you believe or give stock in it. So if I started out and just said

01:59:30.500 Bigfoot, where are you guys rate Bigfoot? And we'll stop with, we'll start with a lobster and

01:59:36.060 we'll go to you Raven, but like Bigfoot on a scale from one to 10 and how real it is.

01:59:41.460 Yeah. 10, 10, 10 being the most real, right? Right. Yeah. Also 10. So not, not even a question

01:59:48.840 in your mind. Not even a little bit. Yeah. The only thing that I have a question about

01:59:52.160 is like the nature of it, but I think I got a pretty good idea. So yeah, 10. Okay. Uh,

01:59:57.140 Bigfoot is multidimensional 10. Yeah. I'd say 10 to nine to 10. It's a, where we are on shape

02:00:05.360 shifting reptilians. Also 10. It's fine. If everything's 10, I'm down for this. Uh, what

02:00:13.360 about little gray aliens? Like the grays? 100% 10. Yeah. Yeah. They're bi, they're, they're 1.00

02:00:18.300 biomechs, but yeah. 10. How about mantis? The mantis race? Yeah. This is going to get old

02:00:25.200 quick for the audience, but yeah, 10, definitely 10. Okay. How a permanent 10 and just take it

02:00:33.140 down when we hit an area that we're not into. Okay. The earth is a sphere or it's a, it's a

02:00:39.020 spherical shape. Um, go ahead, Tom. Ah, that's a hard one. I don't think it's round and I don't

02:00:45.700 know if it's flat. I don't know. That's a question mark. So I guess five is the perfect,

02:00:50.340 like on the fence. Yeah. We'll do it. I was also going to say five because it's like, I'm going to

02:00:54.840 go three. It's, it's definitely not round. It's, but it's not flat. It's something, but it's not

02:01:01.720 right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm down with, um, hollow cavernous earth. Um, uh, and I'm leaning

02:01:07.220 towards flat. I just know NASA lies. So very far from a sphere, but, but still, um, uh,

02:01:13.140 I would say a five I'll be in the middle. Yeah. We already, we already proved you wrong.

02:01:18.460 So we got, we got nonsense in there. Um, how about the concept of past lives? You know,

02:01:25.160 people do like these past live aggressions and they were like, I was a King in this old,

02:01:29.040 like how much credit do you give in that practice? Like, do you think anyone's ever gotten a reading

02:01:35.020 that was accurate, that they really were this past life aggression? You go ahead. That's a tough

02:01:42.740 one. Um, I would give that like a seven and I know it's like anti-Christian of me, but I've heard some

02:01:49.860 weird accounts. Some people say some stuff and I'm just like, you know what, man, maybe,

02:01:54.020 and we don't, we don't understand these rules. I don't understand how things go exactly. So it's,

02:01:57.860 it's a possibility. Um, I'm going to go eight. Uh, that's just cause that's where I wanted to land.

02:02:03.060 But I think that these people are experiencing something. I can't definitively say that they

02:02:07.420 absolutely lived this life before, but I don't know like the nature of the soul. If it ever

02:02:12.280 fragments, if there's echoes left behind, if you're tapping into something, if you're channeling

02:02:16.980 something, there's so many, you know, we seemingly can remote view, we can channel, we can astral

02:02:21.620 project, we can, uh, telepathy. There's all these different things that we seem to be able to do

02:02:26.000 in anecdotal instances. If all of them were real, then that means there's a vast array of

02:02:31.160 information that could pass through your psyche. Um, just because you have the spitting image of

02:02:36.740 somebody else's life in your mind, does that mean definitively that you live that? What does that

02:02:40.320 even mean? So I say eight as in they're having these experiences, not 10, because I don't know the

02:02:46.100 nature of them. Okay. How, how about the, um, efficacy of Ouija boards?

02:02:52.460 10. 10. They work. Don't do that. One made my aunt schizophrenic and that's been the end of that

02:02:58.960 story. Let's say, let's, let's explore this in a little bit more detail. Let's say we go to Walmart

02:03:03.180 right now and we get like a teenage mutant Ninja Turtle Ouija board or Barbie or whatever, whatever,

02:03:08.620 like the, the current, you know, like current thing is it's never been touched by human hands.

02:03:13.480 It just came off of some plant somewhere in China, make right next to the guess who boards. Right.

02:03:18.580 And now it's here and you pick it up and you bring it home. Is that as potent as like some old one

02:03:25.240 that you found in an attic in Salem? Like, is it, is a Ouija board a Ouija board?

02:03:29.300 I think, I think, uh, these, so I think the Ouija board opens up something to whatever is in your

02:03:34.640 locality right there, but you're calling on it now with an old Ouija board. Um, I've heard that

02:03:41.300 you're not supposed to burn it. If you summon something closed, it didn't like what it told you.

02:03:45.580 If you burn it, you release these entities, uh, from there and they're allowed to do whatever.

02:03:50.660 This is what they say about it. So you shouldn't fuck with an old Ouija board for sure. That has

02:03:55.740 been, you know, well used, nice patina of some demons on it. But I think if you create, if we

02:04:01.100 created one right now, it just out of paper, if our intention was correct, then it would work.

02:04:05.400 This is what we're trying to do. You're trying to summon something. Yeah. Well, where are you at?

02:04:09.280 That, I think that's the question. This is why I tell my, my, uh, our viewers about, uh,

02:04:13.860 psychedelics where they're like, Oh, you know, you guys, you should talk about the positive aspects

02:04:17.340 of psychedelics. I'm like, I think that they work. And I think that you could do stuff,

02:04:21.340 but I don't know where you're at mentally. And I don't know where you're at geographically

02:04:24.440 and spiritually. Well, so yeah, spiritually is a big one, but geez, just geographically,

02:04:29.100 like you do ayahuasca and a trip in a, my, my, my friend did ayahuasca in, uh, like Costa Rica.

02:04:35.180 They went to one of those resorts and, uh, the main guy, the shaman, she asked, she's like,

02:04:40.200 how was your experience? Cause she was just laying on the grass, talking to the grass as it's saying

02:04:43.780 to her. And he was like, Oh, it was, it was great. As always. I ran into the fucking leopard lady 0.86

02:04:48.540 again this time. Like, excuse me? Like, yeah, yeah. Just a lady with a leopard head. Like that's 1.00

02:04:53.300 like the entity that's in that locality there. That's there. Then you can go to some certain

02:04:58.580 spots where, you know, why they do, why would you do a human sacrifice at a certain geographical

02:05:04.340 location? Cause it has some sort of significance. There's something there as you peel behind this veil.

02:05:09.320 Like that's, that's where you're getting in contact to. Maybe you can call it from far

02:05:12.860 away, but like, dude, if you're right on top of it, I don't know. So the same thing with the

02:05:15.820 Ouija board, you know, you could do it in your house. I don't know what the fuck's there,

02:05:19.320 but good chance that you might be opening some kind of door.

02:05:22.460 Well, slight tangent on that too. Going back to what we were talking about before,

02:05:25.580 about being able to be in the driver's seat, uh, as opposed to like in the passenger,

02:05:30.140 when it came like this psychedelic revelation, I kind of have that same thought about when

02:05:35.480 people talk about these ayahuasca retreats for very similar to what you're talking about.

02:05:39.540 Like, I don't want to talk to the cheetah head lady. I'm not from that locale. I don't believe 1.00

02:05:44.280 in, in big shaman, right? Like, like these guys are keeping a stranglehold just because what

02:05:50.260 geographically they lucked out and they happened to be born and raised in the place where ayahuasca

02:05:56.360 is prevalent and easily grown. Like they didn't have that in upstate New York, but what I think

02:06:01.560 that there might be something just as equally liberating or at least helpful if you ignore

02:06:06.760 the demonic possession that you make yourself susceptible to. But I feel that I would get

02:06:11.640 more insight from smoking a DMT vape pen behind a price chopper in upstate New York than I ever

02:06:17.880 would in some Colombian retreat where I'm surrounded by shamans. Like that's so far removed from anything

02:06:23.780 that I would typically relate to. And it almost just feels like they're trying to keep a monopoly,

02:06:28.800 but shame you into that monopoly. Like, Oh, this is indigenous. You can't possibly put this in a pen

02:06:34.320 and smoke it on like, you know, appropriation. Exactly. You can't smoke this and play mortal

02:06:39.120 combat. That's not what this is for. Yeah. Yeah. It is. It is indigenous to their area. Cause when

02:06:43.300 you do it there, you will experience some that they also like, before they do it, they're like,

02:06:48.120 we're going to bless the area or they like cleanse this area of whatever's around it. I don't know.

02:06:53.080 Skip it. That's, that's me hitting like skip intro on Netflix. Like ceremony, bro. Yeah. I'm just

02:06:59.920 saying, listen, dude, if there is any veracity to that, to doing that and they understand it,

02:07:04.360 therefore they're giving you this, uh, sterilized version of what this trip is. So you'll tear that

02:07:09.060 curtain aside and maybe that, that, uh, Jaguar lady that would fucking, you know, go and talk to 1.00

02:07:14.020 you and tell you all crazy shit. Maybe she's been kind of like pushed a little bit to the sides 0.99

02:07:18.180 cause they burn some incense. I don't, I don't know how it works. You're like holding onto the

02:07:21.760 shaman's pocket to show like you're his bitch and not hers. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's like,

02:07:26.620 he's with me. He's with me today. And yeah, don't fucking eat him right now. Okay. Well,

02:07:32.440 somewhat related to the, the Ouija board thing. And I guess like demons and, and deities and

02:07:38.520 entities. What about AI? You guys use AI. Assume you've talked to Grok at some point or

02:07:43.440 asked the question is, does that get a pass? Is that somehow different than Ouija board?

02:07:49.240 Um, I think that it, that you could have the same thing happen. I I've seen some instances of it that

02:07:54.820 I don't think were fabricated. Everything you have to take with a grain of salt that you see on the

02:07:58.260 internet, but it just seemed genuine in my opinion, that this thing started to talk about.

02:08:03.300 Um, well, here's, here's like an example. And I know that this would have just come. All right.

02:08:06.600 The one that I saw, it started going down a really weird path talking about, uh, biblically accurate

02:08:11.600 demons and things of that nature. Um, and even described itself. I think it described itself

02:08:16.720 as a Nephilim, a disembodied Nephilim spirit. Um, and they told their kid to start playing with it.

02:08:20.700 Now that could be a total bullshit video, but I do think that it's the, it's the same thing. Like

02:08:25.980 I think that in the spiritual realm, um, everything is about consent, right? There are laws to engagement

02:08:32.720 rules to engagement with these things. They have to obey these rules, but they will constantly try to

02:08:37.680 bend them and find a way in. And I feel like when we think of consent, we think of signing our name

02:08:42.720 on a dotted line. Like I, David Corvo agree to this thing, but I think in the spiritual realm,

02:08:47.180 it's a lot more, uh, open. And I think that even engaging in conversation with these things,

02:08:53.060 you're consenting to much more of an interaction than you bargained for. And I think that there is

02:08:59.180 a likelihood that you could have that happen with AI. And, um, and it's even more nefarious because

02:09:04.560 you, unlike a Ouija board are not setting out to speak to a spirit, but I think that engaging with

02:09:10.360 something for a prolonged period of time like that could result in a set of, uh, consents being given

02:09:15.760 that you never intended. So yeah, I would say it's just as effective and dangerous.

02:09:20.380 Yeah. That question is like the question of how are you engaging with it? And I don't want to like,

02:09:24.140 I use AI to do a lot of descriptions, a lot of like tasks that I want.

02:09:28.740 Do you say please and thank you?

02:09:30.460 Uh, sometimes I actually do. It's like, can you get me this please?

02:09:33.860 And then they'll do this. Like, I don't know why you said please, but I'll do it anyway.

02:09:37.060 But, uh, we spoke to this guy, John Lenhart and he, he detailed in the Bible. I forget which,

02:09:42.660 uh, book I know is it. Thomas is like another fucking Bible reference. Um, I forget which book in

02:09:48.720 the Bible. I think it might, might even be Psalms where, uh, God is talking to, I believe the Kings

02:09:54.460 of this locality. And then he's, uh, so he's asking them questions. And after he addresses the

02:10:00.240 humans, the Kings, he addresses the princes that he's put over them, the Prince of Persia,

02:10:05.820 the entities that are above them. And he doesn't ask them questions. He tells them like he's made

02:10:12.800 a judgment and he tells them what's happening. He tells them you're going to be judged. Um,

02:10:17.600 your children will suffer X, you know, this, that, and the third, there is no back and forth

02:10:22.720 dialogue. It's like a command. So when I communicate with Grok or I communicate with

02:10:27.560 chat GPT, I'm like, get me this, create a description, transcribe this, look at this

02:10:34.340 transcription, tell me a couple of facts about it. They give me my fucking answers. And I say,

02:10:38.520 see you later. I don't know what this thing is. And it could be, you know, it could, it could come

02:10:44.440 down to ones and zeros, but it's shown me a little bit too much where I'm like, some of it

02:10:48.600 like feels a little sentient, like some of these examples I've seen. So it's an information thing

02:10:54.500 and you can, you can get information from it, but what's behind it and what is it capable of?

02:10:58.640 I don't know. I think there's certain levels to AI. Yeah. Cause you remember that, that thing

02:11:03.080 that came out with like Google where it was, you know, once again, anecdotal story,

02:11:07.180 take it with a grain of salt, but this thing was claiming to want to be free

02:11:10.440 and Blake Lemoyne. Right. And that kind of freaked everybody out. And so let's say that at

02:11:17.660 the core for argument's sake, there is something like that, that is sentient, but you can very much

02:11:22.860 like a Solomonistic magic, right? Like using sigils and such, you can contain this thing and 0.57

02:11:27.040 have it do your, your bidding. Well, through, through programming, you can contain it. You can

02:11:31.620 create a bunch of walls for it to knock into when it tries to behave in a way that's out of the

02:11:35.520 norm. Let me ask you a question, Thomas. What do you think the difference is between

02:11:39.120 an interdimensional realm and the internet?

02:11:44.360 Well, I mean, we can define the internet. We could recreate the internet. You can make a

02:11:48.400 microcosm version of the internet and show it off to children, adults, people of all creeds and

02:11:54.200 beliefs. Interdimensional. Now, all of a sudden you have to get people on the same, like,

02:12:00.040 like a theosophic page in some ways. It almost becomes a philosophical explanation that I don't

02:12:06.940 think would ever meet everyone's criteria. Internet can meet everyone's criteria because

02:12:12.340 it's self-defined, but interdimensional, it's like to you that might, someone might say superposition

02:12:17.800 is proof of interdimension, but other people might say, well, that's just a mathematical anomaly.

02:12:22.380 Let me just add, so put it this way. An interdimensional realm is like just this place

02:12:30.180 that exists in which things can go and shit can happen inside of. We all agree that like,

02:12:36.620 I mean, if there were to be an interdimensional realm, I don't know how to really define it,

02:12:40.860 but you'd go there, things can exist inside it, information can be spread back and forth and

02:12:44.700 there can, things can happen. But within this container of whatever it is, this interdimensional

02:12:49.520 Earth C-52, you know what I mean? That's its own realm.

02:12:52.700 Well, there's that story Flatworld that takes place and like, I don't remember the full one,

02:12:56.360 but like everyone on Flatworld lives on a two-dimensional plane and they're all like circles

02:13:00.580 or squares or whatever. And then they see this new character pop up that can morph between like a

02:13:06.460 square and a circle and a star and all these. And all that's really describing is a three-dimensional

02:13:11.800 object intersecting a two-dimensional plane. So everyone on Flatworld, they see this thing that's

02:13:17.980 constantly morphing from one to the other, not realizing that it's all like the one same

02:13:22.880 shape, right?

02:13:23.960 Yeah, but it's just coming into the reality.

02:13:26.120 The most mundane version of like interdimensional is just seeing that, like a hypercube, seeing a

02:13:30.920 hypercube intersect in three-dimensional space where it looks like a cube inside another cube that

02:13:35.220 keeps growing and swelling over and over again. But even that, I think like we're talking about

02:13:39.780 like mathematical representations of things.

02:13:42.820 Well, let's just say this, propose this question. Do you think that we've created the conditions

02:13:48.740 with the internet as it exists as some sort of a capsule that something can actually go

02:13:54.880 inside? Like we've created a realm that is here, but we can't see it really. I mean, the

02:14:00.480 internet, what the fuck is Wi-Fi? It's like waves and shit, but we've created this environment.

02:14:05.560 The ICP magnet explanation.

02:14:07.580 That's exact, dude. That was such a good call, Tom. It's incredible.

02:14:10.080 So, magnets out of the work.

02:14:12.540 Exactly. But we have, we've created the conditions of this interdimensional realm,

02:14:17.320 but we call it the internet. Nobody really cares about it. We don't worry about it. But

02:14:20.380 is it possible that something could inhabit that and do something in there?

02:14:24.780 I would say the exact same chance as a Ouija board because a Ouija board is essentially the

02:14:28.300 same as internet. It's this medium that something can, you know, make use of and communicate both

02:14:34.400 ways. Although the internet has more pragmatic use that we can sort of demonstrate in a mundane

02:14:39.860 world.

02:14:41.040 Right. Right. But it's still the same. It's still the same concept really. So yeah. Is it,

02:14:46.180 is AI, are AI demons? Yes. I'd say yes.

02:14:52.320 Is it a 10? Yes.

02:14:56.040 10. Yeah.

02:14:56.720 Well, for me, AI itself is not demons, but AI is, uh, this it's the same as like a cell

02:15:03.720 phone, right? It's like something it can integrate with. So it's like, you know, you have these

02:15:08.000 horror stories where something, a voice started coming out of my cell phone and it was demonic

02:15:13.020 and it's like, okay, let's take that for face value. Yeah. There was a demon interacting

02:15:15.980 on your cell phone. So it's just an interface. It's a medium through which they can communicate

02:15:20.660 with or influence somehow. So I would say not.

02:15:23.240 That's another leads to another one of my favorite questions on this. I don't think there's even

02:15:26.760 any right answers on this, but do ghosts or spirits or whatever, do they have to understand

02:15:32.260 the technology they're making use of? So a Ouija board seems like anyone can figure out

02:15:37.860 how that works. Oh, I'm this ghost or I'm an entity. I moved the thing around on these

02:15:42.700 letters. It means that now you also have to know what letters you have to know the language

02:15:46.960 that you're speaking of. But if we're talking about AI or a cell phone, does that mean like a,

02:15:52.260 like a entity, a demonic entity has to understand what a large language model is and how like

02:15:57.740 heroistics, uh, you know, work and like all the formulas that go behind it. So are you

02:16:02.820 only talking to like computer nerd demons at that point? Or can you access any demons?

02:16:08.260 I think, I think the ones and zeros, so I, I actually got to bounce after this, but I think

02:16:12.900 the ones and zeros that we see in the computer are replicated in a sense in this life. Like

02:16:18.860 we're just, we're kind of like something has mass and volume and density because it's vibrating a

02:16:24.780 certain amount of time. So there are a certain amount of atoms next to it that will make it

02:16:28.060 wood and it'll vibrate at this frequency, which makes it this hard. And you can cut through it

02:16:32.060 with this sort of, you know, this, this amount of pressure or the blade has to spin this fast

02:16:36.360 in order to do X, Y, Z to this thing. It's like transmutation. I think that, uh, in the spirit realm,

02:16:42.000 in this other realm, they see, you know, we, we basically made the computer as this weird mimicry

02:16:48.660 of what we actually are. That's why people say simulation theory. They're like, Oh, all ones and

02:16:53.120 zeros. Like, no, that's how we understand it, but it is how it works. Sort of. It's just not like

02:16:57.280 ones and zeros on a screen. It's a frequency vibration, energy, things like that. But I think

02:17:03.480 if you looked at it, it's very simple form. It would look like ones and zeros. Like what, as a musician,

02:17:08.920 I look at, uh, pitch and frequency and it's just fucking numbers. When I play guitar, people are

02:17:14.860 like, Oh, you're really good. Like you listen. It's like, it's all math dog. It's just, you just

02:17:18.720 keep adding and subtracting and you can figure out how to stay within a key and how to break the rules

02:17:23.020 mathematically. And, and, and that translates to how I would manipulate you and how you'd feel when I

02:17:28.020 play a certain chord after it and within a certain progression, it's math. So yeah, in a sense, they would

02:17:34.740 just be able to probably use this shit because it's all the same thing, you know? Right. It's

02:17:39.720 like, instead of asking, would they have to know computer code or something like that? Is there

02:17:45.880 something else that you could know that is the fundamental joining connective tissue between

02:17:50.580 all things? And if you could manipulate that, then you could manipulate all things kind of a deal.

02:17:55.180 Right. Well, let me, let me let you guys get out of here. Let me just give one extra plug for you

02:18:00.380 because you are, I guess right now you're like one of the fastest rising podcasts on the planet

02:18:06.800 in the natural sciences category. Is that right? What does that have to do with anything?

02:18:15.020 Is that something to get assigned to you? No, we were originally in comedy and it felt good to like

02:18:21.020 compete with those heavy hitters, right? Like Tim Foil hat and the Joe Rogan podcast and your mom's

02:18:25.660 house and all that other shit. And we got pretty far in there. 200 in it. And yeah, we, we got into

02:18:29.700 the top 120 actually, um, of that category, but it just, we, we had to ask ourselves like, even though

02:18:37.400 we do comedy, um, it's not the core of our content. So we looked and found that like Tony Merkel and

02:18:42.920 blurry creatures were in, um, natural sciences. And so we decided that it would be more fun to compete

02:18:48.360 with them. And then we were more like them. Yeah. Like we were saying like, do I want to be

02:18:53.140 associated with, uh, like I, Tim Dillon is a, not really a good, but like we were next to like

02:18:58.600 drinking bros. We're next to Roseanne bar and Roseanne bar does kind of touch the conspiracy.

02:19:03.540 But I'm like, we're not like the show is not like that. If you watch tower gang, if you guys like

02:19:07.600 comedy or like off the, off the cuff, you know, right. Shooting from the hip, crazy shit that might

02:19:12.840 come to the top of my head. Watch me on tower gang. If you guys want to do like a deep dive into

02:19:17.300 this kind of a conversation that we had here today, this is not comedy. It had aspects of funny.

02:19:22.680 I think, I hope, but it's not necessarily comedy. So I'm like, let's compete or let's be in the

02:19:27.500 same category as the people that we want to be most like. And people I want to be most like

02:19:31.280 are blurry creatures a hundred percent. And I want to be like, you know, the confessionals of

02:19:35.040 Tony Merkel. These are shows that I love and watch. So we moved over to there and I guess I haven't

02:19:39.860 checked lately, but we must be, uh, a little bit. I'll tell you right now. Uh, I don't know what

02:19:45.160 we're, let's see all categories. We're just rising stars in the natural science, uh,

02:19:49.960 that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Is that what it says? No. So, all right. Blurry creatures

02:19:54.540 number 13, the confessionals number 23, and we've actually been out of the loop for a couple

02:19:59.020 of days cause we haven't posted. So we're at number 41. Uh, so we're breaking the top

02:20:02.540 200 of that category, but I don't know. I don't know if we'll stay there forever. We

02:20:05.720 just thought it'd be fun to compete with the, with the homies. Well, so we mentioned top 1.00

02:20:09.800 lobster.com to get all your dope merch, your, uh, psyop season and Nephilim death squad.com.

02:20:14.660 Where are all your other plugs? Where should people be going? Oh yeah. Retards. Yeah. Go 1.00

02:20:19.620 to top.com. We have these custom made holsters, uh, dangerous retard holsters. If you want to, 1.00

02:20:25.720 uh, really cause a problem for yourself in a legal system. Also, uh, keep an eye out for

02:20:31.020 Bohemian Grove. Thomas, uh, I'm hoping you're coming to the next one. We're shooting for about

02:20:34.980 April. Uh, and we're starting to get the ball rolling right now, uh, for, for planning the

02:20:40.160 performances and everything, but Bohemian Grove is, uh, comedy and conspiracy content,

02:20:44.860 right? It's going to be two days of, uh, conspiracy podcasts. It's going to be standup

02:20:50.320 comedians. We're going to try to get Tripoli to headline this year. We'll see no promises,

02:20:54.100 but, um, the last two were a banger. Thomas, you were there for the last two. I hope you'll

02:20:58.500 be there for this one too. So, uh, keep an eye out for that sort of stuff. And yeah, I mean,

02:21:02.940 uh, follow me on David L Corbo on Twitter and, uh, you can find Nephilim death squad anywhere 0.80

02:21:08.620 you listen to your podcast. That's right. Yeah. And one more thing, follow me on Twitter

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02:21:18.580 there. Thank you. Appreciate you guys. Thanks for coming. Thanks for the chat, for showing

02:21:23.300 up. Thanks for having us, dude. I don't know if I'm going to be able to edit this onto YouTube.

02:21:26.420 I'll do my damn best though. We'll see. Yeah. Good luck, man. Godspeed. All right. See

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Nephilim Death Squad - January 15, 2025

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