Nephilim Death Squad - Pounders Quest w⧸ Jon Pounders

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00:01:48.440 Guys, joining us today is John Pounders.

00:01:51.220 Thank you for joining the show, John. Really appreciate your time.

00:01:54.020 Before we get into the conversation, let's let everybody know where they can find your work.

00:01:58.160 You can check me out on YouTube on NowUCTV or on PoundersQuest.

00:02:02.300 NowUCTV is more Bible-oriented, mainly Bible study now.

00:02:06.200 I used to have the Midnight Ride where most people know me from, and I did that for 10 years.

00:02:10.980 We just retired that show.

00:02:12.260 But I now have PoundersQuest where I'm interviewing different people in order to do all that and to be able to travel and go meet different people.

00:02:20.120 I pretty much had to retire the Midnight Ride, which was the biggest thing I've ever done.

00:02:24.540 I kind of retired it at its peak.

00:02:26.320 But sometimes you have to let other things go so you can kind of move forward and do other things.

00:02:32.200 So that's kind of where I'm at.

00:02:33.200 Hey, what is that?

00:02:35.260 Out of curiosity, I know it's not what the episode's about, but what's that like?

00:02:40.280 Because I often wonder when I'm thinking about NDS, I'm like, how does this end?

00:02:43.820 Violently or casually?

00:02:47.400 I wanted to end it at its peak.

00:02:50.280 So I hate to see shows kind of go and then kind of die down or whatever.

00:02:54.580 But I wanted to end it at its peak where, I mean, there's 10 years worth of broadcasts that people probably can never run out of seeing.

00:03:02.720 And that was hard, man, because it's like you don't know for sure if the next thing you're going to do is going to actually work out or not.

00:03:09.640 You don't know that for sure.

00:03:10.920 But I knew that I had to end that one if I wanted to do what I'm doing now because I didn't have to.

00:03:15.600 I mean, when you're researching like that, like we were busting out every week.

00:03:19.740 We were busting out like so much research that we had to constantly be doing, constantly be reading.

00:03:24.800 And so you don't have time for much else when you're doing that.

00:03:26.820 So but it was hard, man.

00:03:28.280 It's like one of those things you don't know if you should or not.

00:03:30.720 But I but I really felt like I was supposed to.

00:03:33.040 I was I mean, half the books I was reading were, you know, occult books and Freemasonic books and grimoires and stuff to try to understand different points of view.

00:03:42.140 And so like it is taxing after about 10 years of that.

00:03:45.580 So I really appreciate that, though.

00:03:47.720 It's a it's a risky leap to take.

00:03:50.420 And it's definitely one that is, you know, not often taken with a lot of confidence.

00:03:54.800 But I use this little analogy.

00:03:57.220 I say that when it comes to shows in particular, you either run long enough to become the Walking Dead or or you die Breaking Bad.

00:04:06.600 Right.

00:04:07.120 I think that's that's the way because Breaking Bad is like it stopped when they told the story and it was great.

00:04:13.480 But if you look at the Walking Dead, it's still going on.

00:04:15.720 It's still happening right now.

00:04:17.340 And nobody cares literally the Walking Dead, whereas Breaking Bad is this, in my opinion, it's a masterpiece and it's it's frozen in time.

00:04:25.060 And you can look back at it and say, what a wonderful story they told.

00:04:27.720 They could have milked that thing.

00:04:28.960 They could have kept going and kept going.

00:04:30.740 And, you know, Walt could have gone on forever selling meth.

00:04:33.480 Instead, they said, we're done here.

00:04:34.820 We've made something.

00:04:35.680 It's time to move on.

00:04:36.420 So I appreciate that.

00:04:37.680 That's a lot of people are too afraid to do that.

00:04:40.000 Yeah.

00:04:40.440 Yeah.

00:04:40.680 It's frightening.

00:04:41.640 So, John, what what something a question we haven't really asked, but Sean asked us from Kingdom in Context.

00:04:48.020 And I think it's a great question.

00:04:49.000 How did you come to Christ?

00:04:51.120 How long ago and what made you do this crazy thing that you're doing now?

00:04:55.540 Because this is a weird profession.

00:04:58.420 Yeah.

00:04:58.600 So basically, I became a Christian.

00:05:02.020 I used to be I grew up in in church my whole life.

00:05:05.160 I grew up and I even went to Bible college, actually.

00:05:07.280 But there was a situation to where I kind of was crying out to God, asking, you know, what am I supposed to do?

00:05:14.340 And then something negative happened, like really, like I thought God was basically pushing me away.

00:05:19.060 And so from that point on, I kind of just was like, you know what?

00:05:22.020 Like, if you don't want me to serve you, I'm just going to do what I do.

00:05:24.960 And I kind of and I did for years.

00:05:26.380 I did.

00:05:27.220 You know, I ended up on drugs even.

00:05:28.800 So I ended up on drugs.

00:05:30.800 I ended up going to jail just, you know, for a few days.

00:05:34.240 But I was going through withdrawals.

00:05:35.420 And I was not only on like cocaine and stuff like that, but I was also on pharmaceuticals, which were my biggest problem because it was like pain pills and antipsychotics and all that.

00:05:45.860 And if you stop taking those, it can it can literally kill you.

00:05:48.720 Some of the ones I was on, I was on some like heavy, heavy doses of this stuff.

00:05:52.880 And I had been for a long time.

00:05:54.620 And so when I went to the jail cell, like I started going through withdrawals and then really around the third day, like I was finally starting to kind of come to and start to really understand.

00:06:05.420 Understand what was going on, because, you know, if you're on Depakote, if you're on, you know, high levels of Xanax and Kuladopins and all that, like there's a wave of psychosis that almost hits when you're going through those withdrawals.

00:06:18.860 And at the when I was finally sobering up, I just remember looking around and in the jail, there's so many different people that are that I know just from growing up in the neighborhood I grew up in.

00:06:31.680 And I grew up in a very pretty poor neighborhood.

00:06:34.700 I mean, really poor neighborhood.

00:06:35.760 It was I actually lived there till 2016, got worse and worse as time goes on.

00:06:41.740 And so I started seeing a lot of the people and I just started thinking in my mind, like, OK, so this is going to be my life.

00:06:47.560 This is this is what I do.

00:06:49.220 I thought, you know, I thought I got away with everything.

00:06:51.540 I always got away with stuff.

00:06:52.860 And no matter what, it was like I was always getting away with things.

00:06:55.620 I had a lot of friends that were, you know, I would say somewhat powerful people in the city because I had big parties.

00:07:02.180 And so, like, I would just get away with stuff I shouldn't get away with.

00:07:05.680 But this time I couldn't get away from the withdrawals.

00:07:08.400 I just couldn't get away from it.

00:07:09.560 So it was I was there looking and just trying to fathom what was going on here.

00:07:13.640 And I just remember thinking, like, I don't I don't want my life to be like this.

00:07:17.320 I want to I've seen people before that have love.

00:07:20.820 I've seen people before that have peace.

00:07:22.580 I've seen that before.

00:07:23.660 Or and so in those moments, I'm looking at the wall as you see people, things that people have, like, etched into the wall, like, you know, just real depressing things like nobody cares for you when you're here.

00:07:34.520 And unless you have money, nobody cares for you and just stuff like that.

00:07:37.780 And I started to, like, kind of think about those things.

00:07:39.960 And so I cried out to God in those moments.

00:07:42.420 I was like, God, if you care about me at all, just even even a little bit, just let me know and I'll do whatever you want me to do.

00:07:48.820 I'm done with this.

00:07:49.820 I want to do what you want me to do.

00:07:51.680 But I have to know you care because, you know, the time before I felt like he actually showed me he didn't care.

00:07:57.540 And so within moments of that happening, the jail cell opens and I hear a voice that's saying calling my name.

00:08:05.040 So I go in, head hung, head hung, I'm like, you know, upset, depressed.

00:08:10.340 And we're going into a detective's office and I figure they're going to be questioning me about something.

00:08:15.860 Well, there's a guy that I hadn't seen in a while.

00:08:18.120 He used to be in a band called Drag the Stick.

00:08:21.220 It was like a metal, punk metal band.

00:08:23.600 Like he had long dreadlocks and his nose pierced.

00:08:25.860 And the guy actually that led him to Christ was Sonny from P.O.D., but I hadn't seen him in a while.

00:08:32.020 And I used to play in a band.

00:08:34.060 So that's how he knew me.

00:08:35.640 And he was on the drug task force.

00:08:37.840 And so while I was while I was in there, he was going through, you know, paperwork, listening to the scanners, listen to this.

00:08:44.400 And he heard my name and he was already dead.

00:08:47.560 He was getting ready to go to bed with his wife and he works all the time.

00:08:51.180 The guy worked like nonstop, you know, as a detective, he was always working.

00:08:54.640 But he was getting ready to go to bed and he said a voice told him to go.

00:08:58.260 I want you to go pray for him in jail right now.

00:09:01.240 And so he literally got out of bed.

00:09:03.380 He came over there and I looked up and he's like, John, man, he's like, what happened?

00:09:07.720 And I was and I just, you know, head hung.

00:09:09.960 He's like, I know this sounds crazy and I don't know that you're going to want me to do this, but I really want to pray for you.

00:09:18.120 I feel like God told me God told me to come pray for you.

00:09:21.680 And as soon as he said that, man, like, I don't know how to explain this feeling, but it was like something washed over me.

00:09:27.920 And just like literally I knew that my faith right there was strong.

00:09:32.640 I knew that God cared and like it just changed my whole perspective in that moment.

00:09:36.500 I mean, my hair on my my body all stood up.

00:09:39.660 I weeped like a baby.

00:09:40.680 I hadn't weeped in a long time.

00:09:42.380 I mean, I was always taught that men don't cry and you, you know, you take your licks and, you know, I lived in a bad neighborhood.

00:09:49.200 So you don't cry in front of people.

00:09:50.460 But I hadn't weeped like a baby in that moment.

00:09:52.820 And then from that day forward, man, like I've just felt the spirit of God with me.

00:09:57.560 I felt him directing my paths and I haven't always been perfect.

00:10:00.300 I'm definitely not perfect.

00:10:01.480 I do a lot of stupid stuff.

00:10:02.720 You know, I've been on air since 2010, so I've said who knows how many stupid things along the way.

00:10:09.560 But there's always like this guiding force that's guiding me and led me to reading the Bible because I had kind of written off the Bible going through Bible college and everything.

00:10:18.260 I thought it was just a recreation of the old mythological tales.

00:10:21.600 And so I had written it off and but I remember, you know, asking God, like, what do I do?

00:10:26.820 And he led me to the Bible.

00:10:28.120 He led me to that by showing me that it was his word and that it is legitimate.

00:10:32.600 And so that led me even further on the path.

00:10:35.280 And here I am.

00:10:35.920 That was 2010.

00:10:37.200 So, you know, that's like when I started, literally started from that moment, starting to try to do video.

00:10:43.380 I didn't do much YouTube, but I did like a local show called Revelation 1211 where I would interview people about their testimonies and it would be on like the local television and stuff.

00:10:54.380 So I kind of got the getting into the media thing was like for some reason natural.

00:10:58.560 I started doing music before that.

00:11:00.100 I was into music in bands.

00:11:03.760 We, you know, punk rock bands.

00:11:04.880 We tour little hardcore bands or I would tour with another band to play guitar for them or something like that if they needed me.

00:11:11.620 And so that's kind of my background.

00:11:13.860 So I knew media, music and stuff like that is the route.

00:11:17.320 And then after that happened, a couple of the detectives that I knew from the police force through my friend that came in, his name was Nathan Shore, by the way.

00:11:27.040 Like his, he's dead now, but his testimony, you can see it long like I am second.

00:11:31.700 So he's still out.

00:11:32.920 His word's still out there.

00:11:34.360 He actually reached more people in his death than he did his life.

00:11:37.040 I mean, it was pretty amazing, his life.

00:11:39.660 But yeah, so after that, we started doing a record label, a Christian hip hop label.

00:11:45.360 And we started out by doing local shows and trying to get, you know, feed the neighborhood and started in my neighborhood because my neighborhood was getting worse and worse and worse.

00:11:55.780 The projects, people, you know, almost all the kids in that neighborhood, they really didn't have parents.

00:12:00.620 I mean, their dads were in prison.

00:12:02.280 Their moms were prostitutes.

00:12:03.720 And the neighborhood was getting worse and worse.

00:12:05.500 So we started doing that and then it started getting a little bit too big first britches, in my opinion, like to the point to where, like, you know, we went, they wanted to like silence the messages so that we could gain more acceptance.

00:12:19.340 And that's when I kind of bounced out and started really pushing Now You See TV.

00:12:23.720 It's in 2016.

00:12:24.920 So that's kind of my background, how I got into it.

00:12:27.620 Did you experience a lot of, because of your background and where you came from, and you said that you've been on air for 10 years now.

00:12:34.300 And so you've made your fair share of mistakes.

00:12:37.320 Oh, yeah.

00:12:37.880 pushback from the, I guess, the Christian community at large, as to your nature, whether or not you're a Christian, the way you come off, maybe the language that you use.

00:12:53.380 We're asking for a friend.

00:12:54.740 Asking for a friend, yeah.

00:12:56.220 Yeah.

00:12:57.040 Yeah.

00:12:57.520 So, oh, man, I've faced so much backlash because a lot of it happens, you know, yeah, I've used language.

00:13:03.980 I've done things, I've said things, and, you know, that should be expected.

00:13:08.120 If anybody's like, you know, if one thing that I found out is the people that act like they got it all together, like they've got some really dark skeletons in their closet, mostly, because it's easy to put up a front.

00:13:21.320 It's easy to not cuss.

00:13:22.540 I mean, you can just not cuss if you want to.

00:13:24.560 But there are times when the words are meant for a reason, like they're said because there's emphasis wanting to be placed.

00:13:31.340 But people put sin, they make up their own sins.

00:13:35.860 Like they make up the idea that saying a word that used colorfully is a sin or smoking a cigar is a sin or whatever, you know, but they make them up where the Bible actually tells you what sin is.

00:13:46.800 So I don't worry about that.

00:13:48.160 What I worry about is like when I actually was dogmatic about something that I found out I was wrong about and I've had to eat crow about that.

00:13:57.000 I've done that several times and so really just in the last couple years I've learned, okay, I can't be dogmatic about most of these things unless I know for sure.

00:14:07.480 Like I've seen it with my own eyes.

00:14:09.540 I know this and this is what it is.

00:14:12.320 Like that's the only time I feel like I can be dogmatic about it.

00:14:15.360 So like in my life, basically, I can only say that I have faith in Christ.

00:14:20.880 I know the situations that I'm put in, been put in.

00:14:23.780 I know what happened to me and like this is why I believe, but I can't prove anything really.

00:14:29.160 I think we're at a point in time right now to where it's hard to prove much of anything.

00:14:34.720 You only have to live by faith and by what your spirit sees because there's so much out there in the physical that's meant to distract, confuse, deceive.

00:14:44.420 I mean, that's exactly what it's meant for.

00:14:46.380 So it's hard.

00:14:47.340 It's tough when you're out there like that, saying things dogmatically.

00:14:51.200 That's where I think a lot of people run into problems.

00:14:54.680 It's a hard time right now just in this information exchange, right?

00:14:58.840 Information warfare is sort of what we're in.

00:15:00.980 And you can kind of say that.

00:15:01.920 Alex Jones nailed it, right?

00:15:02.500 Yeah, well, you can you can say that right now with a drop of the Epstein files, you know, we're in the fog of war in very many ways.

00:15:09.720 I don't know where all this is going to settle.

00:15:10.820 But I today fell for a thing that I'm vehemently I'm vehemently opposed to, which is manipulation by emotion.

00:15:21.000 So what I came across was this video on X.

00:15:25.440 And it's it's rough, man.

00:15:27.700 It's like, oh, yeah, I saw that.

00:15:29.500 I was going to tell you.

00:15:30.500 Yeah, no, I fell for it.

00:15:31.740 I stepped right in it and I actually took it down.

00:15:34.240 I don't really take a lot of things down, even if I'm wrong, because if it's obvious that I'm wrong, it's like, well, look at that.

00:15:40.260 The reason I took this down is because I didn't want more people to fall for this emotional manipulation.

00:15:45.160 But it was a bunch of kids there in sort of what you might imagine is like an MKUltra facility, right, where they're doing trauma based mind control experiments on these kids, which is something that we talk about all the time on this show.

00:15:57.180 And so I it was right up my alley.

00:15:59.740 There's a bunch of kids lined up against the wall and one of them is tasked with something at a desk.

00:16:06.360 They're they're writing something.

00:16:07.300 And I guess as a tactic to get the kid to to perform, they snatch one of the kids off the wall and they start, you know, drowning them and then pulling them back up and drowning them again.

00:16:16.720 All the kids are freaking out.

00:16:18.360 And to me, it reminded me of that Podesta thing, an audio recording that's allegedly Podesta.

00:16:24.180 And he's like screaming at some kid and this kid is freaking out.

00:16:27.020 And it's a hard listen.

00:16:28.520 And, you know, it's just the nature of, I guess, reality.

00:16:32.600 You know, you come across these darker aspects of what's going on behind the curtain.

00:16:36.060 And, you know, they pull at you, your heartstrings.

00:16:39.400 And I just posted it.

00:16:40.480 I said that I said, man, this reminds me.

00:16:42.080 And then wouldn't you know, somebody comes up and goes, dude, that's that's from a movie, dumbass.

00:16:46.060 And I go, oh, yeah, man.

00:16:48.360 And I realized that they got me.

00:16:49.940 It was that it was that that emotional leverage.

00:16:54.580 And it's something I try to be really careful of.

00:16:57.120 But in my I don't know, you know, exploration of the truth, I've been wrong a ton.

00:17:03.460 And right now, I mean, you've been doing this for 10 years.

00:17:07.920 You've seen the landscape and the way that it's changed so dramatically.

00:17:12.180 Right.

00:17:12.520 I mean, 10 years ago, 2016, we're kind of getting in it with with with this whole Pizzagate Epstein thing.

00:17:18.960 It really comes to a head.

00:17:22.020 2018, 2019, the world changes dramatically after that.

00:17:26.420 We get covid.

00:17:27.440 I mean, just when you're looking at information.

00:17:30.480 And information as a landscape, it has it has been so it's been a roller coaster.

00:17:37.440 It's been insane.

00:17:38.560 The peaks and valleys and the crazy twists that we've been subjected to.

00:17:43.560 If you're really somebody who's been looking at this.

00:17:45.160 And now here we are, you know, we get to talk to you.

00:17:49.480 2026, where it seems like we're at this precipice of a big moment, a big pivotal moment.

00:17:55.160 I don't know where things are going to go.

00:17:56.600 I don't I don't really I try not to get into the realm of predictions too much.

00:17:59.820 I mean, maybe I'll maybe I'll leave that up to you.

00:18:04.220 Given everything that you've seen and how long you've been doing this, this is a unique place to be right now.

00:18:08.740 What what do you think is what do you make of what's happening and where we're going?

00:18:15.140 Oh, man, this is really hard to answer, of course, because nobody has I don't have a crystal ball here.

00:18:21.600 And even if I did, I wouldn't be looking at it.

00:18:23.780 But I but I do think that, you know, looking back at 2016, I think it was 2016 or 2017, I made a viral video about the whole thing you're talking about with Podesta and all that.

00:18:35.300 I don't even want to say the word just so it doesn't get your YouTube channel.

00:18:39.020 And not that it would, but I got I paid the price for that.

00:18:41.660 I lost monetization back then over that.

00:18:44.080 And then again, in 2020, I paid the price.

00:18:46.720 And now I see everybody speaking openly about everything.

00:18:50.260 And it's really, really strange to me when I see what's going on.

00:18:54.080 And I try to think, look at things like you're talking about, not emotionally, because it'd be easy just to jump in and jump in on the fight and start kicking the dog in the head or, you know, whatever.

00:19:04.400 Start kicking the guy in the head because he's already down.

00:19:06.780 But looking at the cycles of how a lot of this stuff works, it's like they give a time period for people to talk.

00:19:15.580 And then that way it kind of pushes them into an echo chamber and pushes them into a place where they want to fit those people.

00:19:23.420 And so or it might push them into persecution or whatever.

00:19:27.160 And so I'm wondering if that's what's going on, because it seems to be like since 2020 and a little bit further past, it took a little while for the censorship to kind of like weigh down a little bit.

00:19:38.680 But I'm wondering, like, what, why, why all of a sudden, why are they allowing all of this stuff?

00:19:44.580 It just seems too good to be true, because I know what happened then.

00:19:48.400 They had such a they could easily just take it all down that quick.

00:19:51.280 And it makes you wonder, are they giving people options to share now so that they can make lists so that they can hear everybody's full opinion on the thing so that they know what to do when the time comes?

00:20:04.220 Like, OK, this person said this.

00:20:06.280 We know an AI can easily put those people on lists.

00:20:09.680 It's not like they have to go through and, you know, check everything.

00:20:12.680 AI has already got it all sequenced together about who's who and what who does what.

00:20:17.620 But I noticed the algorithms on my Facebook and YouTube when there's a strong psyop coming on, I get I get a shadow ban because but I don't even talk about it.

00:20:30.940 But I know that I'll talk about something else in the shadow ban comes.

00:20:34.340 There's every time there's a major psyop, I get shadow ban because they know that I'm going to say something that might make sense.

00:20:40.300 And they want to keep that down.

00:20:41.840 They even tried to pay me to be off back during covid.

00:20:44.420 I don't know if you'd remember they were doing that to people.

00:20:46.380 They were trying to pay people to be off social media during the covid thing.

00:20:50.940 And so I even got offered that just like a lot of other people did at the time to not say anything.

00:20:57.420 But I would assume that everything that comes out is a part of the psyop.

00:21:02.700 It's a part of the theater that they actually want you to they want you to know these things.

00:21:06.840 It's not like it's not like this is coming out.

00:21:09.720 Oops. Oh, no.

00:21:10.680 Like there's a whistleblower.

00:21:11.860 All of those whistleblowers that have come out about the aliens that have come about about everything.

00:21:17.260 Like you have to assume that at least half of them are liars and at least half of them are telling something fake in order to deceive you, to mislead you.

00:21:26.600 You know, our media hasn't been free media for a very long time, if it ever has, really.

00:21:33.820 I mean, ever since it's been owned by a few people.

00:21:37.240 Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:38.060 It's we we had we were presented with that that choice, like red pill, blue pill choice in one of the shows that we did with somebody.

00:21:46.680 And it was an interesting one because, like, you know, as he's like doing the Morpheus thing, saying here, choose left, right.

00:21:52.840 Like I smack, you know, smack this hand is like, no, neither, man.

00:21:55.560 Like, obviously, these are both two sides of the same coin in there.

00:21:59.220 They're headed in the same direction, whether we like it or not.

00:22:02.240 They kind of just want our consent to take one side or the other.

00:22:04.840 But the idea is to look through the PSYOP or I mean, as best as we can.

00:22:10.320 Right.

00:22:10.740 We bang our heads against the wall all the time because, you know, I don't know.

00:22:15.240 Tucker Carlson is talking about the Nephilim or.

00:22:17.380 Oh, yeah.

00:22:18.140 Wes Owens.

00:22:18.980 Wes Huff was just on Sean Ryan show.

00:22:21.440 And Sean Ryan is putting out these these thumbnails.

00:22:23.900 And it's all about the Nephilim and the Book of Enoch.

00:22:27.100 And I'm like, yeah, like, how wrong are we?

00:22:30.240 You know, just because.

00:22:31.720 Yeah.

00:22:33.160 The Candace Owens picking up Rob Skiba, picking up Rob Skiba's information and all that.

00:22:37.580 Yeah.

00:22:38.580 Where were they when it counted?

00:22:39.780 That's what I want to know.

00:22:40.600 Like, where were they when all of this stuff actually?

00:22:43.120 I felt like there was a time when maybe something could have been done, you know, and now it's

00:22:47.680 like it's the ball's rolled so hard.

00:22:49.920 I don't think I really don't think there's any stopping what's coming.

00:22:53.160 Like, I don't I don't really don't, man.

00:22:55.220 I they're they've got so much in in place already.

00:22:58.400 Back then they had to censor people because they didn't have it all in place.

00:23:02.060 Yet.

00:23:02.780 And so there could have been a mass repentance, but they didn't want that.

00:23:06.400 They wanted they even had a fake revival thing that took place at D.C.

00:23:11.660 just to, like, harbor a real revival, you know, that like because there's no there's no revival

00:23:16.580 without repentance.

00:23:17.660 And it was all about pride, American pride, America, you know, pride, pride, pride, nothing

00:23:21.880 about repentance.

00:23:22.520 So, well, that's the thing I think they're doing right now, which is like, you know,

00:23:26.920 as we come closer, I'm of the school of thought that we are in, you know, the the prophetic

00:23:33.160 times of the book of Revelation, either that or somebody's manufacturing prophecy, which to

00:23:38.880 that I say, is that could that will be the same thing.

00:23:41.920 Right.

00:23:43.320 But I think that as we inch closer in these days, more and more truth will be revealed.

00:23:49.940 It's going to be harder to keep it back.

00:23:51.200 What they're doing right now is they're they're positioning their selected mouthpieces.

00:23:55.540 Right.

00:23:55.780 So they weren't saying it back in the day because there was time there wasn't going to

00:24:01.480 you know, people weren't going to become aware of these things.

00:24:03.320 Now, as we move into an era where, you know, maybe maybe the public is going to be made

00:24:09.280 aware in some shocking way, one way or another, that these things are real.

00:24:14.540 Well, now, who are the most when you do a Google search?

00:24:18.040 Right.

00:24:18.420 Who are the most viral people that you're going to see?

00:24:20.600 Well, Candace Owens is going to come up.

00:24:22.280 Tucker Carlson is going to come up.

00:24:23.320 And I don't really know what to make of them.

00:24:25.080 I'm not even condemning them.

00:24:26.720 I think it's weird when you look at the Candace Owens things.

00:24:28.600 And she seems to have been part of some sort of a program.

00:24:32.940 Like she's a Gates program, MKUltra baby.

00:24:36.060 It seems like the things she's talking about with with Charlie Kirk, if they're true, seem

00:24:41.320 to line up with he would have been one of these kids that went through these programs

00:24:45.060 and then was was kind of followed all throughout life.

00:24:47.120 Now, most people with time travel, astral projection, all this stuff.

00:24:51.040 And it's like people instinctively recoil at that.

00:24:54.280 But, you know, given the research that we've done, the conspiracy community at large has done,

00:25:00.420 you go, well, that does fit in a pattern.

00:25:02.940 So if I'm to entertain that, that pattern adheres to like an MKUltra kid or a gate program kid

00:25:09.660 or, you know, any of these kind of operations where they're taken by an intelligence agency

00:25:14.560 and they're traumatized, cause states of disassociation.

00:25:18.700 And, you know, maybe they were, they could have even been raised in a lab from the jump,

00:25:23.920 you know, detached from there.

00:25:25.220 Who knows what the situation is?

00:25:26.580 But what I'm, what I'm recognizing is like, oh, she's talking about a thing.

00:25:29.640 She's talking about a thing that a lot of people are going to recoil at, but it is a thing.

00:25:33.240 We're left to deal with the question of why.

00:25:36.220 Or, I mean, you know, we're crazy people.

00:25:38.080 So I immediately go, she's, she's quoting Rob Skiba.

00:25:41.840 Was Rob Skiba wrong?

00:25:43.300 Yeah.

00:25:43.560 Yeah.

00:25:43.660 And then I go, wait, wait, wait, that doesn't, that doesn't line up because there's a lot

00:25:46.600 of other people that, that I do trust and I like their work that verifies this stuff.

00:25:51.420 So no, but the question, the real question is why right now, why is, why are we moving

00:25:56.300 in a breakneck, breakneck pace to inform the public of these things?

00:26:00.240 And now, yeah, well, I mean, I would say, you know, Cass Sunstein, cognitive infiltration,

00:26:07.460 if the truth is going to come out, you want to position your thought leaders in the, in,

00:26:12.540 in these circles, right?

00:26:13.680 So if your camp demons and Nephilim, when, when they do disclosure, okay, well, Candace has

00:26:19.240 got them and she's on the leash.

00:26:20.580 We got her since she was a kid.

00:26:21.680 Oh, we got it.

00:26:22.020 She's got a thing in her neck.

00:26:23.360 We could zap her.

00:26:23.960 You know, we don't know if she's got a thing in her neck.

00:26:27.840 Well, what do you think, John?

00:26:29.360 I think you're right, man.

00:26:30.440 I think that's exactly what I was going to say there.

00:26:32.560 They have to have their, uh, controlled opinion out there for that because a lot of people

00:26:38.600 are automatically going to believe that.

00:26:40.040 I mean, we've been pumping Nephilim in people's heads, you know, for a long time.

00:26:44.080 A lot of us have, I mean, there's people that have been doing it for 30 years, have been

00:26:47.380 talking about these things.

00:26:48.480 Most believers are know about these things.

00:26:51.280 So they have to control that narrative because whatever the deception is that's coming, they

00:26:57.500 have to have these players that are there, that are speaking about it, that believe what

00:27:01.740 they're saying and that are out there pushing their narrative.

00:27:04.760 They have to have that.

00:27:06.220 Um, and it's crazy because when I look at the narrative, I've done a little bit of research

00:27:10.680 here and there on what it looks like to me.

00:27:12.900 I always try to see like, you know, I've read a lot of the Tavistock books, like the

00:27:16.740 people that have written books from Tavistock and you see, uh, their methods.

00:27:21.460 And this looks like, uh, the Alice in Wonderland technique is what it looks like because what

00:27:26.480 they do is they'll pump all kinds of nonsense.

00:27:29.180 You remember when Alice went down the hole, uh, they had, she was sitting at the table and

00:27:33.380 the tea party and the, the crazy Mad Hatter was there.

00:27:36.720 The other one, they're always just nonsense, telling her nonsense and leading her on these

00:27:40.200 weird paths.

00:27:41.400 And then, um, that's, that's exactly what they're doing with the disclosure thing, because

00:27:45.700 there's a lot of well-meaning people probably out here on the disclosure teams that they're

00:27:51.000 believing what they hear from the whistleblowers.

00:27:53.880 They're believing what they hear from whoever the handlers are at the top, like the military

00:27:58.700 people that have maybe invited them to the meetings or they've talked to them about it.

00:28:03.000 And they're going to, they're going to handpick specific people that are great

00:28:07.880 mouthpieces already, and they're going to probably not co-op them knowingly, but it's

00:28:13.720 going to be like, look at this information we've received.

00:28:15.740 You see how this happens.

00:28:17.020 This has been happening to people.

00:28:18.840 Uh, they'll, they'll have a false informant, call them and tell them a story.

00:28:22.960 I mean, I used to get people all the time calling me, telling me such bullcrap stories

00:28:27.780 that I thought they were real for the longest time.

00:28:29.660 Like when I was researching the, uh, satanic ritual abuse stuff and I was doing the documentary,

00:28:34.460 you know, how many people I called that were frauds trying to tell me their story and trying

00:28:39.280 to mislead me in directions that weren't even real.

00:28:41.700 Like it happened.

00:28:42.420 And these were, these were people that were co-opted by somebody to do it.

00:28:46.100 I don't know.

00:28:46.660 I don't know who, but they were calling me or they were just demonic and they, they knew

00:28:51.720 that I needed to, to be thrown off the trail a little bit, but like that happened a lot.

00:28:56.180 And so if you believe everything you hear, then you're probably not going to know much about

00:29:00.100 it.

00:29:00.300 So, you know, in, in a lot of these situations you have to, you know, the algorithm is going

00:29:05.760 to feed you.

00:29:06.360 And that's saying a lot of people are going to be deceived.

00:29:07.840 I don't know what there is to do about this situation.

00:29:10.300 All I try to do is like inform people that look, I've dealt with a similar situation.

00:29:15.380 This is what happened to me.

00:29:16.900 Like, this is what I know, but I can't, I have been not quick to base my opinion off

00:29:23.300 of what somebody else tells me if I haven't experienced that for myself.

00:29:28.220 I just, it really can mislead you a lot because people have fantastic stories and they may believe

00:29:34.720 them.

00:29:34.980 They may believe everything about their story, but it doesn't mean that their story is correct.

00:29:39.320 And I think that right now we have to be very careful to maybe look at what the Bible says

00:29:44.160 about some of this stuff and hold onto that rather than listening to the stories, because

00:29:49.720 there's going to be a lot of misinformation right now.

00:29:51.640 Like it's going to be, that's going to be the key focal point is going to be misinformation

00:29:56.420 because this, I believe that this reveal is one of the biggest points of deception that

00:30:05.020 the Antichrist is going to use.

00:30:06.640 So how is he going to do it?

00:30:08.340 Like, you know, we need to look at that and really think about it rather than just taking

00:30:12.140 a whistleblower's word or some, you know, guy that's underneath mad contracts that really

00:30:18.240 can't tell the truth anyway.

00:30:19.400 And you already know it, you know, like you have these guys that have these crazy contracts

00:30:23.700 that are going on these big broadcasts telling all, but yet they're fine.

00:30:27.360 They go back to work.

00:30:28.240 I mean, they're not telling you the truth.

00:30:29.420 Come on.

00:30:31.060 You know, even, even within the body of abductee testimony, which in my opinion, I, I, I look

00:30:38.120 too often as a greater source of confidence, you know, in the nature of the, the, the experience

00:30:44.520 that I do for many of these kinds of talking heads or intelligence agencies, or, you know,

00:30:48.660 used to be a contractor for the CIA kind of guys.

00:30:50.820 Um, but obviously they can be deceived.

00:30:54.400 You're, you're dealing with something.

00:30:55.780 There is an aspect of it that is very real, right?

00:30:59.760 Because I think you have to leave room on the table for advanced technologies and spooks,

00:31:05.920 you know, that I do think that there are operations, government programs that are potentially

00:31:12.380 kidnapping people and showing them images of a thing that's so profound that they'll never

00:31:19.020 go out and espouse it for fear of being ridiculed.

00:31:21.980 When in reality, what's happening is you're being abducted by some sort of, you know, MK

00:31:25.780 ultra adjacent program.

00:31:27.160 But I do think that there is a real, um, non-human entity aspect to this phenomenon, but those

00:31:35.240 things, uh, and, and I'm sure that there's an array of them are likely very clever.

00:31:42.380 Very old and are going to deploy very similar techniques.

00:31:46.120 I think that one of the things that I've, I've noticed is in all the years of the abductee

00:31:54.060 phenomenon, these entities will often impart, um, not only kind of new age Gnostic ideals

00:32:01.860 to the abductee, but they'll also frighten them with a end of the world cataclysm prophecy

00:32:10.540 of some sort.

00:32:11.540 And what I have noticed is much like, um, what would you call that global warming where

00:32:17.980 in the eighties, you know, the coastlines of Florida were going to be gone by 99, you

00:32:22.900 know, whatever the predictions were, these, these times would come and go.

00:32:25.900 And, and lo and behold, that hasn't happened.

00:32:28.280 Uh, in Obama's have property in Martha's vineyard, you know, you wouldn't buy property there if

00:32:34.100 you thought that that coastline was going to vanish at some point.

00:32:36.860 And so, um, it's very much the same thing and the, the calamity, the cataclysm will

00:32:42.560 change, you know, sometimes it'll be like an asteroid impact and then they kind of moved

00:32:47.000 away from that.

00:32:47.860 And now we're left with this polar shift thing, which, which I do see prevalent, like in the,

00:32:53.720 in the conspiracy communities, even Elon Musk keeps, you know, kind of hitting that button

00:32:57.520 talking about a polar shift.

00:32:58.860 Um, and, and so it seems like the reason, or at least you could speculate the reason

00:33:05.380 that there's, they're telling these people that these things are going to come to pass

00:33:08.720 and then they're not is because he creates a sense of urgency in the victim to go out

00:33:13.700 and then spread this new age gospel that they've been given, you know, by their, uh, their

00:33:20.020 abductors.

00:33:20.540 And, um, so even, even within the body of abductee testimony, it's hard.

00:33:26.920 You have to be grounded.

00:33:28.400 Yeah.

00:33:28.820 I would say in the gospel, but you take these things and you kind of, you look at them and

00:33:35.200 you analyze them through that lens because even the people that are going through it,

00:33:38.760 some people will say, I was abducted inherently demonic and other people will come back and

00:33:43.280 they'll espouse this new age gospel.

00:33:44.640 And they'll say Jesus was a Pleiadian or, or, or something like that.

00:33:47.620 So everywhere there is disinformation and deception, um, you know, at a level that's

00:33:54.900 like far beyond the capabilities of an individual to discern, not without some help.

00:34:00.000 Seems like lately the disinformation has been coming from inside the house.

00:34:03.460 Yeah.

00:34:04.080 Which is something that kind of got our hairs up a little bit for a little, I don't even

00:34:10.800 know if I want to rehash this.

00:34:11.820 This is just, well, I mean, whether or not it's disinformation.

00:34:14.640 What you could say, if you were being generous is that we don't know, we don't know.

00:34:22.020 And there's a real problem with like leaning on your own understanding.

00:34:24.820 You can take in information, you can try to, to fit it into your worldview.

00:34:28.000 And the best we can do is get the stories and sift through them.

00:34:32.500 Yeah.

00:34:32.740 And that's kind of what we do.

00:34:33.880 Like we hear a lot of stories and sometimes after the show, I'll go, I don't know.

00:34:39.120 Yeah.

00:34:39.480 And sometimes we go, Hey man, that fit like a puzzle piece.

00:34:42.560 Yeah.

00:34:42.840 And that's strange, but it's, it's not a puzzle piece that I'm going to put right in the center

00:34:45.960 of my puzzle.

00:34:46.540 That's Jesus Christ.

00:34:47.520 Yeah.

00:34:47.740 That stays there.

00:34:48.820 These puzzle pieces are on the periphery and I'm just looking at them and I go, okay,

00:34:52.240 that one goes there for now.

00:34:54.000 And if it doesn't get moved for a while, so be it.

00:34:56.420 But yeah, we're trying to like have a broad view of all this stuff because it's very confusing.

00:35:00.940 And, you know, we, we've been beset upon by people who do know, they know all the stuff

00:35:06.540 and they're, they're good at information warfare.

00:35:09.020 Yeah.

00:35:09.660 They think they know, they think they know.

00:35:11.680 That's the thing.

00:35:12.700 So when you really boil it down, the, my grandpa used to tell me this, my grandpa was a wise,

00:35:19.040 really, really wise guy.

00:35:20.280 The more I think about it now that I'm older, I'm like, man, this guy has told me so many

00:35:24.500 things that have just like, wow, I found out he's telling the truth.

00:35:28.200 But he said that if there's, you have to ask yourself, the first question is, is it really

00:35:32.260 knowable by a human?

00:35:33.640 Can a human actually know?

00:35:36.240 And if the answer is no, which the answer to this is no, a human can actually know everything

00:35:41.260 that's going on.

00:35:42.700 Then the only, the people that are telling you things about it, he told me the only person

00:35:47.940 that's telling you the truth is the one that says they don't know.

00:35:50.680 He's like, they can tell you this door, they can tell you this door, but really the

00:35:54.480 only one that's honest is the one saying they don't know, because we have to be that

00:35:58.900 way in order to be honest.

00:36:00.860 And that's why I, you know, I'm not dogmatic about things anymore, because once you realize

00:36:06.080 you're wrong, you have to understand that in order to be maintain your honesty, you're

00:36:12.260 just going to have to own it.

00:36:13.280 You're going to have to own it and realize you don't know and be okay with not knowing.

00:36:17.620 That's where I'm at with this whole thing.

00:36:19.260 I can only tell you what I've experienced and you have to believe that or not believe in.

00:36:23.020 And that's really the reality of it.

00:36:24.780 But nobody knows really what's going on.

00:36:27.980 Because if you really think about all of the stories, yes, there's physical aspects.

00:36:32.800 Yes, there's mental, there's spiritual aspects.

00:36:34.900 All of these things are actually happening to people.

00:36:38.800 But do you really know that they're happening to people?

00:36:41.880 And do you really even know that what they're saying is true?

00:36:45.360 You really don't know any of those things.

00:36:47.560 And if things are happening that are testable, we're dealing with an ancient species that's

00:36:54.080 thousands of years old that is far more advanced and wise than will ever be.

00:36:58.880 And so, of course, they're going to mislead us about what they are.

00:37:02.400 And so, does a human know?

00:37:04.120 No.

00:37:04.500 And so, who's telling the truth?

00:37:05.680 The one that says they don't know.

00:37:07.200 That's my opinion on that whole thing.

00:37:08.860 We had a conversation with a guy recently, and it was a bit of a struggle session.

00:37:14.200 And when it came to this topic, specifically of abductee experiences and everything, one

00:37:19.160 of the places where things got weird, and what you said just now really resonated with

00:37:22.920 me, brought this to my mind, is that we're talking about the abductee experience, and

00:37:28.860 he contested that it's always physical.

00:37:32.120 And I've looked at the phenomenon for a long time.

00:37:35.640 All I can say is I know that people are having experience.

00:37:38.960 I don't understand the nature of it.

00:37:40.880 I have some ideas, and I'm leaning towards those ideas, but that's about the best that

00:37:43.940 I could do.

00:37:44.940 But in that body of abductee testimony, you get a bunch of stuff, man.

00:37:48.860 You get, it seemed like this one was physical, but another time it seemed like this one happened

00:37:54.000 in maybe like an astral realm or like a spiritual realm or maybe like a dream escape.

00:37:59.200 So, he's saying this to me, and I go, well, that's not the case.

00:38:02.660 I've heard plenty of stories where people, and he goes, no, the data is settled, and this

00:38:07.540 is a physical phenomenon.

00:38:08.740 And I went, why the hell?

00:38:10.300 Why would you say that?

00:38:11.420 Why would you say that, Dr. Fauci?

00:38:13.040 Very strange.

00:38:13.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:38:14.000 Trust the experts.

00:38:15.060 I answered settled, yeah.

00:38:16.620 Yeah, it's exactly what it was.

00:38:18.280 And so, that is a hugely important thing to remember is we're dealing with things that,

00:38:25.000 number one, they're shrouded in lie.

00:38:26.900 And number two, up until this moment, this really fun time in history, 2026, where we're

00:38:34.680 not being laughed out of the room, up until this moment, we were laughed out of the room.

00:38:39.980 You were dealing with things that were considered pseudoscience or quackery if you were trying

00:38:44.580 to look into psionics and things like that.

00:38:47.540 And so, to all of a sudden cross this threshold where the conversation is being allowed to

00:38:54.400 happen on a level that at least is maybe just slightly hovering above ridicule, because,

00:39:00.220 you know, you still have those people who refuse to believe that the world is anything other

00:39:04.740 than, you know, what the official narrative says.

00:39:06.740 Because to be in this time where we just got out of those waters and to go, and now that

00:39:12.400 we're here, it's all settled.

00:39:13.540 And trust the experts and the data is conclusive.

00:39:16.760 This is what the phenomenon is, is a remarkable, a remarkable thing.

00:39:22.480 And what I'm worried about is trying to point people towards Christ in a time where it looks,

00:39:32.520 you know, you were talking to us before the show and you brought up Laura Trump, seemingly

00:39:39.260 alluding to the idea that Donald Trump is going to do disclosure soon.

00:39:44.140 I had a buddy text me and he says, are you aware of the, the, the July 8th prediction that

00:39:50.700 that, and it's always a prediction, you know, so it's not necessarily that that means much,

00:39:53.860 but he's also saying, yeah, it seems like there's whispers that Trump is going to do disclosure

00:39:57.740 July 8th and, you know, a quick search on Twitter, just the words Trump disclosure.

00:40:04.600 You'll see that discussion being had on many, you know, reputable platforms.

00:40:10.380 You know, it's no longer just in the fringes of, of podcasts.

00:40:13.920 It's actually on stages that, you know, once held some sort of prestige when it came to information

00:40:18.940 dissemination.

00:40:19.600 So, um, it, all I'm worried about is, is pointing people towards Christ.

00:40:25.580 Let me ask you a question then, John, how, it seems like you're in alignment in that way.

00:40:30.540 How are you navigating this information soup and in a way where you can orient people where

00:40:37.420 you go, like, I don't know what the answer is, but I know that Jesus is important.

00:40:42.700 Absolutely, man.

00:40:43.480 And I think that's the most important aspect of all of this is how do you root people back

00:40:48.340 to Christ?

00:40:48.940 Because I believe he's the answer for all of this anyway.

00:40:52.220 Um, I, I always tell people, especially if they're having a, and this may not be what

00:40:57.700 you're asking.

00:40:58.200 And if it's not, then, then correct me and I can miss or go a different way with it.

00:41:02.720 But I always tell people when they're having these experiences, because I've had an experience

00:41:07.060 where if I didn't, wasn't a believer, I would think I was getting abducted.

00:41:10.380 And because of my belief and my authority in Christ, I was able to stop it.

00:41:17.440 Um, and that's what I tell other people, you know?

00:41:20.120 So like, that's the way I navigate it through scripture.

00:41:22.540 I believe that, yes, there are physical aspects to this, because really, if you, if you think

00:41:27.000 about it, this is the question, what separates the physical from the spiritual?

00:41:31.640 That's a hard question to answer sometimes, because even if you're doing mind control on

00:41:36.360 somebody, a lot of people would say, well, that's spiritual.

00:41:38.400 But is it spiritual?

00:41:40.560 Is it not?

00:41:41.020 We don't know.

00:41:41.700 It's, there's, everything works together in some way, shape or form.

00:41:45.000 But I do think that the spiritual aspects are things we can't see.

00:41:49.240 Like, that's kind of what we can, we can maybe take, make the term and define it that way.

00:41:53.700 Like in the Bible, uh, everything that you can't see is in the spiritual.

00:41:57.520 And so let's, let's just use those words.

00:41:59.980 Let's use that.

00:42:00.860 We can't see it.

00:42:01.520 We don't understand it.

00:42:02.900 Uh, we'll, we'll use it.

00:42:04.080 We'll call it spiritual in some way, whether it's bad spiritually or good spiritually.

00:42:07.500 It has to, it has to do with aspects that are unseen by the human eye.

00:42:11.740 And so I try to point people to that idea.

00:42:14.080 And then also, because look, I mean, here, a lot of people give me flack for this because

00:42:18.780 I do say that literally everything can be found in the Bible.

00:42:22.440 And I really do believe that.

00:42:24.000 I know that a lot of people would say that, that you look, man, you're just being a reductionist

00:42:28.720 or you're being a, um, a Bible kook, but I, I think there's more about the Bible than people

00:42:37.320 give credit for.

00:42:38.240 But looking at all of this stuff, the fallen angels, like in the scripture, if we believe

00:42:43.360 one third of the angels fell, we're believing that at least 33 million came to earth because

00:42:47.940 the Bible says in two places that there were 10,000 times 10,000 angels plus an unnumbered

00:42:53.320 host.

00:42:53.600 So if one third of those fell, that's a hundred million, 10,000 times 10,000, 33 million of

00:42:59.300 them have either fallen or are going to fall from to earth.

00:43:02.480 And if that's the case, and if there there's reptilians there, you know, the seraphim or

00:43:06.800 reptile, like, uh, there's all kinds of different angels that we don't even understand or know

00:43:11.700 about.

00:43:12.620 Um, and they're here on earth.

00:43:13.960 They could be looking like human.

00:43:15.200 I mean, I think this describes, and that may helps us understand the actions of these

00:43:19.100 elites when you really look at it and why some of them look like ancient characters that

00:43:23.820 have been around before, why some of them love this nasty stuff they love.

00:43:28.940 I don't even have to mention it.

00:43:29.900 We don't want to get this banned, but they love this nasty behavior that we as humans

00:43:34.420 would look at and be like, this is crazy.

00:43:36.620 Then they co-opt other humans into doing it into worshiping them because of fear.

00:43:40.460 I mean, we have, there's a lot going on in this world that, uh, can be described by angelic

00:43:45.960 entities and, and we may not like that term and it may not encompass everything that they

00:43:51.980 are, but that's the term that was used back then.

00:43:55.080 Uh, to this day, we can call them whatever we can call them aliens.

00:43:57.820 We can call them, um, entities, we can call them whatever you want, but ultimately they've

00:44:03.700 always been written about.

00:44:05.060 And yes, in the Bible, they were called angels and other places they're called gin.

00:44:09.540 And some places they're called aliens, you know, but they're the same things.

00:44:13.500 It's not like there's this new species of things that have come out.

00:44:17.260 They they've always been talked about.

00:44:18.820 That's the thing that I think that most people that study UFOology might miss or might forget.

00:44:25.160 But when you look back, this stuff has been happening forever.

00:44:28.980 This is not a new phenomenon.

00:44:30.980 This is not something new.

00:44:32.160 Yes.

00:44:32.460 Maybe our crafts that we've built because of these, this leak technology might be new, but

00:44:37.760 this is not new.

00:44:38.900 I mean, you have hieroglyphs that have spaceships on ancient Egyptian walls.

00:44:44.700 Uh, you have stories of like the Hopi people that talk about ant men bringing them underground

00:44:49.880 and protecting them from the flood.

00:44:52.240 And these ant men are depicted like grays.

00:44:54.980 They have the ant heads and they look, you know, they're got big eyes because they, they

00:44:59.220 live underground.

00:44:59.800 So there's a lot going on here that, that, like I said, you'd have to be a fool to say,

00:45:05.020 you know, for sure, everything that's happening.

00:45:07.980 Yes.

00:45:08.120 The science might be out there and it might say this and that, and you can choose to believe

00:45:12.660 that if you want.

00:45:14.100 And if that's the case, then fine.

00:45:16.020 And I'm, I'm, you know, I, I have a lot of, um, jealousy for people who can just believe

00:45:23.640 what they hear based off the science, because it'd be so nice to just say, yeah, I believe

00:45:29.700 it, man.

00:45:30.040 The science says it, let's do it, you know, and not have a care or thought that, but with

00:45:34.400 the science has been wrong many times.

00:45:35.800 And I'm sure with this, there's, there's going to be slanted that when the powerful

00:45:39.580 people control it, but man, I, it's crazy because you point people to Christ because

00:45:44.660 he has power over everything, over all, all of the earth, over everything was created

00:45:50.080 by him for him without him, nothing was made.

00:45:53.180 And so I try to stand personally in my life.

00:45:55.820 It's not God, it's not failed me.

00:45:57.840 It's not failed me to say that God is my power.

00:46:01.120 He's the one that keeps me here, whether you like it or not, I may do stupid stuff,

00:46:05.780 but God's the one who keeps me here.

00:46:07.340 God's the one who sustains me and he's the one that protects me.

00:46:10.480 And so like, it's never failed me even against powerful enemies, even against people that

00:46:15.640 want to ruin me.

00:46:17.140 He's always brought me through.

00:46:18.640 And so like, you know, I tell people that like, I can't say that God's ever failed me.

00:46:23.120 You know, if a King David wasn't talking about being abducted in the middle of the night

00:46:27.280 and being tortured and stuff like that, because he knew God had his power behind him.

00:46:32.000 I mean, I just don't, I'm not saying that that doesn't happen.

00:46:35.020 It does.

00:46:36.120 But if we're not able to be equipped to withstand it by at least, at least giving people an option,

00:46:43.260 maybe it's not that.

00:46:44.100 Maybe there are as a military program abducting them, taking them to a lab, but the power of

00:46:48.680 prayer isn't, isn't Jesus strong enough to withstand any enemy.

00:46:52.400 The Bible says no weapon forms against us shall prosper and every tongue that rises up against

00:46:57.060 us in judgment, he'll condemn.

00:46:58.940 Let's take those promises and run with them.

00:47:00.980 I mean, this is, these are, this is the time we're in right now.

00:47:04.100 We don't have time to be afraid.

00:47:05.760 If you're afraid, you're not going to make it to where you need to go.

00:47:08.720 If you're, if you're dogmatic about things that aren't true, you're going to miss the

00:47:13.960 truth.

00:47:14.360 You're going to miss something you could have done.

00:47:16.680 If you get caught up in the world and all its emotion, you're not going to fulfill your

00:47:21.140 mission where here is a mission.

00:47:22.740 We don't, people that are on a mission don't get caught up in the, the things of the world

00:47:26.940 there.

00:47:27.260 You know, if you're over in Vietnam and you're trying to fulfill a real mission, which a lot

00:47:31.540 of people did the wrong thing in Vietnam, but you don't get caught up in the affairs of

00:47:35.240 the local people.

00:47:35.840 You're not going to be out there, you know, arguing with them about this issue or that

00:47:39.780 issue or whatever you're going to be doing your mission.

00:47:42.000 And so that's where I try to lead people into this, like let people talk.

00:47:46.340 You can believe them if you want to believe them, but ultimately if you trust in man, it's

00:47:51.220 a curse.

00:47:51.720 The scripture says it's a curse to trust in man.

00:47:54.180 The only trust that we can have is something that's higher than us and knows more than we

00:47:58.180 do.

00:47:58.920 No one man knows it all.

00:48:00.400 No one man can tell you every single situation that's occurring in this, this reality is

00:48:06.640 certain, is this, or is that it's, it's gotta be that nobody can do that.

00:48:10.340 None of us know.

00:48:11.500 None of us were there in creation.

00:48:12.740 None of us have been here for thousands of years and if we have, then we're not man,

00:48:17.120 but we don't know.

00:48:18.240 We just don't know.

00:48:19.220 And that's, I think it's okay to, it's okay to be there because God knows and just like

00:48:24.120 God can protect, you know, people like Job and then, you know, we need to be praying

00:48:29.540 for that kind of protection, praying for that kind of hedge because ultimately there's

00:48:34.480 something that's holding them back from protecting some of God's people.

00:48:37.140 And I've heard stories where maybe there are people that can't shake this activity.

00:48:40.760 They can't shake it, but I would say that if you're standing on God and you're standing

00:48:45.640 on his truth and you're doing what he's asked you to do and you're walking in the way he

00:48:49.940 designed you to walk, like you're doing his will, I would say nothing can stop you.

00:48:54.340 That's just my thought.

00:48:55.500 That's, I believe that.

00:48:57.720 Even I've become comfortable with this idea as well.

00:49:00.940 Like even if, I don't know, let's say these things don't stop.

00:49:05.220 Let's say you're going through persecution, physical persecution, you have ailments, whatever.

00:49:08.980 It's like, Hey dude, you know, just walk, just, just keep going.

00:49:13.860 Life is suffering.

00:49:15.120 This life is not meant for us to have all the roses right now, you know?

00:49:21.320 So, and I know it's not, it's not an acceptable message to say to people because they, a lot

00:49:26.240 of people don't, you know, if your back is hurting you, I don't want my back to hurt.

00:49:29.200 I want this healing right now.

00:49:30.620 Well, maybe you don't ever get this healing, but it doesn't matter.

00:49:33.180 That's not your responsibility.

00:49:34.300 Your responsibility is to take what you have here and carry it forward as much as you can.

00:49:39.360 Yeah.

00:49:39.560 Step by step.

00:49:40.200 That's it.

00:49:40.860 I think about that, right?

00:49:42.020 Like Matt always says that God came and they, they ripped his beard out.

00:49:46.540 You know what I mean?

00:49:47.220 Like they, they killed him.

00:49:48.700 Um, and, and we think like, you're going to, you're going to walk easy.

00:49:52.080 Yeah.

00:49:52.520 Yeah.

00:49:52.800 And I think as long as you're, especially as the world devolves into chaos and, and,

00:49:58.140 and more and more lies to stand in the truth is a, it's, um, you know, you got a target

00:50:03.320 on your back.

00:50:03.880 And, uh, I think that there's a lot about spiritual warfare that we don't understand because we've

00:50:08.760 been sort of stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm.

00:50:11.120 So many people in the West don't even believe in the spiritual realm and it's a reality and

00:50:16.740 you're engaged in spiritual warfare all the time.

00:50:19.280 Who knows what thing you're suffering because you're not, you know, equipped to do it, but

00:50:22.720 it's, um, you brought up Job and that's been something that's on my mind a lot lately.

00:50:27.960 Excuse me.

00:50:28.540 Like with these Epstein files and, and how bizarre the disclosure situation has gotten.

00:50:35.500 And we're just in so much, we're in this information soup, like I said before.

00:50:40.220 And, and, um, I've been reminded over and over again of, of when God is talking to Job

00:50:45.980 and he's kind of talking about his own lack of understanding.

00:50:50.120 And he goes, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?

00:50:53.360 And, you know, we're, we're here for such a short amount of time.

00:50:56.380 I think it's, it's the folly of a lot of men who were steeped in the occult, who thought

00:51:03.360 foolishly that they could get their hands on this sort of knowledge.

00:51:07.300 And then I think it just, you know, it eats away at you like acid, this pursuit of, you

00:51:13.940 know, answers to mysteries that you will, I've gotten really comfortable, even though

00:51:17.300 I was a conspiracy theorist when I was a kid and I, and I still am, but I've gotten

00:51:21.640 to this place where like, I'm all right with not, with not knowing.

00:51:26.380 I know enough to, to get me through this, you know, I, and I have God on my side, like

00:51:32.800 you were saying, and I, I, and I don't need all the answers.

00:51:36.800 I'm grateful for whatever God reveals to me.

00:51:38.800 Cause I do think God reveals things.

00:51:40.060 He talks about the Holy spirit revealing things to you truths.

00:51:42.800 And, um, and so I'm always grateful for, for when another connection happens, but these

00:51:48.500 days I, I think I, I research less feverishly than I used to when I was a young man.

00:51:55.680 Well, uh, John told us, I don't know if you told us pre-show or in the beginning of the

00:51:58.600 show, but it takes a toll, man.

00:52:00.780 I, I'd actually like to hear, um, I mean, you're, so you're doing all that research,

00:52:04.980 right.

00:52:05.180 For these, in these occult books, I don't want to go there yet.

00:52:07.920 There is one thing that I wrote down because I had an abduction experience as well.

00:52:13.180 I was not rooted in Christ.

00:52:14.560 Um, I didn't know what to make of this experience and it was a decade before I was ever saved.

00:52:20.840 Um, like, you know, as in coming to Christ and accepting him as my Lord and savior.

00:52:25.460 Um, can you talk about your experience?

00:52:28.580 Because I think that that is hugely important.

00:52:30.700 A lot of people have experiences.

00:52:32.400 They find them profound.

00:52:33.780 They think that there's no answers in the Bible.

00:52:35.540 Then they, they float on over to the new age or something and they go, Oh, this is, this

00:52:39.300 is what I'm experiencing.

00:52:40.320 This is, um, you know, uh, aliens are the, the answer.

00:52:44.240 What, what did you, what did you go through, John?

00:52:46.700 Well, yeah, I'll tell you, this is first off to those that have never heard a story like

00:52:52.020 this, this is crazy.

00:52:52.980 This is a crazy thing, but this has really happened to me.

00:52:55.680 This is my story that I happened to me.

00:52:59.020 I don't expect anybody to believe it because it's just one of those things that unless you've

00:53:05.860 experienced, this is really going to be hard to believe, but it's very, I'm telling

00:53:08.640 you the truth.

00:53:09.840 So, um, there was a proper, there still is this property, but it's in the South where

00:53:15.060 my family lives.

00:53:15.980 I have, um, let's see four sets of family members that live there.

00:53:20.240 I've got, you know, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles, it's all on the same property, different

00:53:25.060 houses.

00:53:26.360 Um, my grandpa passes away and immediately people start experiencing paranormal phenomenon,

00:53:34.740 just like left and right.

00:53:36.760 My aunt who is mentally challenged, she was actually, um, had a fever really bad when she

00:53:42.980 was a child.

00:53:43.780 And, um, her mentality is that of like a six to eight year old.

00:53:48.540 So she's like, not stupid.

00:53:50.900 She's cause she can read, she can do all the different things, but she's like, um, childish

00:53:56.760 in her ways.

00:53:57.420 So she starts complaining about this giant that is banging on the side of her house, like

00:54:03.060 shaking her house and saying that to come out, it wants to kill her and she doesn't

00:54:07.400 go out.

00:54:07.800 She's complaining.

00:54:08.520 She's telling people about this left and right.

00:54:10.380 Um, another family member wake up, you know, her husband is a Greek, um, his speech PhD doctorate

00:54:19.960 in different studies and ancient, um, languages.

00:54:23.320 His wife is waking up pointing and speaking an ancient tongue of like ancient dialect.

00:54:29.560 Yeah.

00:54:29.780 An ancient tongue pointing at something and speaking an ancient dialect.

00:54:33.340 And he didn't understand what was going on.

00:54:35.340 You know, it was confusing to him and, and awful, also scary.

00:54:39.040 Um, one of my little nieces is experiencing a giant sitting in the rocking chair in the

00:54:45.120 corner of the room.

00:54:46.100 Uh, my grandmother is experiencing, uh, somebody, something telling her bad things and stealing,

00:54:52.380 you know, telling her it's going to steal her medicine and telling her all these things.

00:54:55.580 And they're all experiencing these things at the same time.

00:54:57.820 Like, um, within a couple of weeks, it's just like every single day.

00:55:02.480 And they tell me about it.

00:55:03.840 And I'm a new believer at this point.

00:55:05.820 Um, I have my own demons before I became a believer.

00:55:09.980 And I believe that after I became a believer, they were furious and they tried to do everything

00:55:16.520 they can to reinvade my life.

00:55:17.920 But, uh, I think they also attack my family.

00:55:20.620 So anyways, I go there because in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to like, see if

00:55:24.760 this is a reality and I'm going to do like in the Bible and I'm going to pray over these

00:55:29.140 things and see if, if I can, if anything happens.

00:55:32.300 Well, I get there and I really, you know, I'm kind of skeptical to begin with because,

00:55:35.920 um, not skeptical with the stories, but skeptical that anything's going to happen to me because

00:55:42.000 I really, up to this point, I've never experienced anything to that level.

00:55:46.180 Like never anything like that.

00:55:48.060 So, uh, I'm in the bed and my wife's asleep already.

00:55:51.960 I'm praying and, and I'm deep in prayer because I, I, I've just could, I could feel something

00:55:58.820 by the time the night came, I could feel that there was something, a presence in the room.

00:56:03.160 I could feel a darkness that wasn't there before.

00:56:05.780 And so I'm deep in prayer and I'm feeling it.

00:56:08.100 Like, I'm like, man, like I feel whatever this presence is, like I'm now feeling it is

00:56:12.480 dark and everybody else is asleep.

00:56:14.420 And so I'm deep in prayer and like within, yeah, I don't know how long I was in prayer,

00:56:19.020 but I was still awake and something elbow dropped me, uh, right in the chest and like,

00:56:23.820 just jump down, boom.

00:56:25.100 And I could feel it and I could feel its breath on my face.

00:56:28.020 It's pushing down and it's pushing down so heavy that I can't breathe.

00:56:31.840 And I don't know if you guys do jujitsu or anything, but like, it's like, if I felt like

00:56:36.160 I was in a scarf, um, scarf hold and where it's basically where they're on your chest and

00:56:41.220 they're pulling your neck forward and you can't breathe.

00:56:44.100 You're basically getting suffocated.

00:56:45.640 You got to tap out or you're going to pass out.

00:56:47.480 And so I'm feeling like that.

00:56:49.300 And then I have this electric shock that hits right in the, right in the, um, uh, my spine,

00:56:55.860 like right where it hits the back of my head there, I'm feeling this electric shock that

00:56:59.660 kind of incapacitates me.

00:57:01.320 I can't move.

00:57:02.440 I can't really do anything.

00:57:04.180 And, uh, within, within that time period, my body, um, my soul, what I feel like is my

00:57:10.680 soul literally jets out of my body and start shooting forth to the heavens and through the

00:57:15.680 ceiling and everything.

00:57:16.780 And I feel, I remember feeling like I'm dead now.

00:57:19.600 Like I feel good.

00:57:20.580 I'm like, forget the world.

00:57:22.060 Like I'm, I'm like, I'm gone.

00:57:24.400 I feel great.

00:57:25.000 Like I'm like feeling great.

00:57:26.200 But then I slammed back down into my body.

00:57:28.540 And when I slammed back down in my body, I start, uh, saying, I'm like, you sure.

00:57:32.800 Oh, Jesus, Yahweh, like I'm saying like everything under my breath, I can't speak, but then it

00:57:38.400 stops.

00:57:39.140 Like he's off my chest and like everything, um, in the rooms isn't as dark, but then the

00:57:45.560 lights are flashing.

00:57:46.620 And so like, as I roll out of bed, I roll out of the bed onto my, onto the lights were flashing.

00:57:52.280 The lights were flat flickering, like flickering in the thing.

00:57:55.580 And I roll to the side of the bed and I fall out of the bed and I crawl into the other room.

00:58:02.200 So I'm crawling in the other room.

00:58:04.120 And, uh, when I get to the other room, I turn back around and the room's kind of dark

00:58:08.960 again.

00:58:09.220 It's got that dark, like, um, hue to a real, you know, heavy, thick darkness where you

00:58:14.340 can't, you just feel like you can't see through it.

00:58:15.820 My wife's still in there.

00:58:16.620 So I'm like, like, I don't know what to do.

00:58:18.660 Do I go back in there?

00:58:19.800 What do I do?

00:58:20.500 And behind me, these beans appear that are just light.

00:58:25.220 I mean, just bright, bright lights.

00:58:27.000 They have kind voices.

00:58:28.920 Um, I'm still scared to look behind me because I just don't know what, at this point, I'm

00:58:32.920 like trying to fathom, like what's happening.

00:58:35.300 Am I dying?

00:58:36.280 Am I dead?

00:58:37.160 What is going on?

00:58:37.980 I don't, I didn't know.

00:58:38.980 Like, I just knew that this was happening and they're like, it's okay.

00:58:42.260 Come with us.

00:58:43.320 Just come with us and everything's okay.

00:58:45.140 And, and I remember saying to him, I didn't want to look back, but I was like, I don't want,

00:58:48.960 I don't want to leave my wife here with whatever was attacking me.

00:58:53.400 And then they said, okay.

00:58:54.760 And they disappeared and dude, everything went back to normal.

00:58:57.720 So it was like, it was really, really strange.

00:59:00.160 And I remember thinking like, if there's such thing as abductions, then that could have easily

00:59:07.140 been exactly what people are experiencing.

00:59:08.980 If I would have went with them, would that have been the abduction?

00:59:12.000 Or if I would have like, was it trying to kill me?

00:59:14.280 I don't know, but this was a situation to where it looks like a lot of what other people

00:59:19.060 experienced, maybe a little bit different.

00:59:21.220 But I definitely felt like whatever it was, was trying to kill me.

00:59:24.240 And then something was trying to take me and it could have been good, good angelic entities

00:59:28.040 trying to take me.

00:59:28.920 Maybe I, it gave me another chance at life.

00:59:31.200 I have no idea, but this is the experience.

00:59:33.480 And that's what kind of got me onto the whole conspiracy thing.

00:59:36.920 Because before that I was more into like music and everything.

00:59:39.540 Like once I understood that and saw what happened, like every day of my life, I don't, I, I think

00:59:45.080 about it in some way, shape or form and think like, what would have happened if I would have

00:59:48.840 went like, what, what was that behind me?

00:59:51.420 Like what, what is all these things and what are people experiencing every day?

00:59:55.300 I mean, people experience these things all the time and it sounds very similar.

00:59:59.840 So like not knowing who to call for, not knowing that there's salvation through Christ over

01:00:05.820 everything.

01:00:06.400 I mean, he gives us, he gives us the power to tread on serpents, poisons, everything else

01:00:11.140 like that.

01:00:11.740 So I think about that a lot.

01:00:13.580 And that's really what's driven me for the longest time is to give people a way to have

01:00:18.060 that peace, that power, that forgiveness, that, uh, is important to be able to break free

01:00:23.680 of all, I think everything, I think that literally can break you free of everything, whether you

01:00:27.840 want to call it physical.

01:00:29.400 It doesn't really matter.

01:00:30.840 I've, you know, I've, I've been broken free of a lot of things that should have crippled me,

01:00:35.140 should have ended me.

01:00:36.520 Um, you know, there's, well, after I became a believer, there's people that wanted to end

01:00:40.420 me.

01:00:40.620 I mean, but God saw me through it, you know, he saw me through it and I'm still here.

01:00:44.740 So you can be here too.

01:00:46.100 I think, I think that it's important to, for people to at least trust God in these situations,

01:00:50.820 even if it is physical, because God does have a way of making things happen, even when it

01:00:57.420 seems impossible.

01:00:58.180 And even if you, even if it's the military, I mean, God has a way of being able to take

01:01:04.500 down your enemies.

01:01:05.240 And I think this is one thing that I, that I would love to tell your audience, because

01:01:09.980 I tell my audiences all the time.

01:01:11.340 And I think that everybody I care about, I tell this, but the scripture gives us an identity

01:01:17.660 and that identity is the children of God.

01:01:22.080 It is the sons of Abraham.

01:01:24.340 Like in Galatians, it says that those that are Christ seed that are believing Christ or

01:01:29.240 Christ seed and are heirs, according to the promises of Abraham.

01:01:33.320 What are those promises?

01:01:34.660 He'll bless those that bless you.

01:01:36.520 He'll curse those that curse you.

01:01:38.240 So you, you have that power with inside you to where when people curse you, they should

01:01:45.800 expect that they are going to get cursed.

01:01:48.320 And when people bless you, they should expect that they're going to be blessed.

01:01:51.600 And you need to know that that's the reality.

01:01:54.160 And so if these people are cursing, you need to play, you need to pray that they have, God

01:01:58.440 has compassion on them, that God has compassion and shows them the truth.

01:02:02.420 Because I've seen so many people come up against me, guys.

01:02:05.220 I mean, over the years, so many people.

01:02:07.020 And sometimes I'm not right about things.

01:02:09.220 Sometimes God is, you know, I've been stupid and foolish.

01:02:12.020 I've repented.

01:02:12.720 But like every single one of those people, I look back and I'm thinking like, man, they

01:02:18.020 literally curse themselves by coming against me.

01:02:20.440 They literally, or people that have helped, you know, been along my side.

01:02:23.400 They've literally blessed myself by coming alongside me.

01:02:26.280 And you probably can think of that as well.

01:02:27.880 If you really give it time, give it time.

01:02:29.640 And because there's times when it feels like, okay, man, these people have cursed me and

01:02:34.020 they're thriving.

01:02:35.040 But give it time and you'll see the effects of that.

01:02:38.480 Like the Bible says that if we just give somebody a cup of water in his name, he'll bless that.

01:02:44.000 And so we need to remember that too.

01:02:45.440 Like when we bless other believers and we curse other believers, we are giving ourselves

01:02:50.600 over to a real thing, a real thing.

01:02:54.040 This isn't just, this is like the laws of the universe.

01:02:56.180 It's just as, you know, just the idea.

01:02:58.920 If you jump off a building, you're going to fall on the ground.

01:03:00.740 It's the same that if you bless God's people, you'd be blessed.

01:03:03.460 You curse God's people, you'd be cursed.

01:03:05.080 So whatever these things are that are doing it, if they're hurting you, they're only cursing

01:03:09.020 themselves.

01:03:09.480 If you remain in God's blessings, there is a, there is that temptation.

01:03:13.920 Like we've been covering a sermon on the mountain, the Beatitudes with Matt.

01:03:17.720 Well, I've been doing it on straight Bible and there was a verse that we read.

01:03:20.900 And of course, like, you know, I want to take, like, if you're wronging me, I kind of want

01:03:24.460 to, I kind of want to just like put it right back on you.

01:03:27.160 Cause I'm good at it.

01:03:28.080 And we're like, we can do that.

01:03:29.480 You guys are like comedians kind of, cause it's hard not to, I'm sure it's like, yeah.

01:03:33.400 Oh, it's a, it's a reflex, right?

01:03:34.980 It's a constant temptation.

01:03:35.920 And I gotta like, and then like, yeah, sometimes it goes too far and you're like, yeah, I

01:03:39.040 gotta like, I gotta go back and be like, that wasn't good.

01:03:42.340 But it's, we were, we were discussing forgiveness and the scriptures were saying like, Hey man,

01:03:46.960 leave that to God.

01:03:47.860 Because when God is going to deal with that person, it'll be like hot coals on that person's

01:03:52.260 head.

01:03:52.740 And then in my head, I'm all screwed up and I'm like, yeah, hot coals would be better

01:03:56.180 than what I, what I just did.

01:03:58.360 But, uh, I wanted to say something about your experience.

01:04:03.540 Yeah.

01:04:03.940 Yeah.

01:04:04.100 I just, I mean, I'm sure David's got a lot, but this scripture right here.

01:04:07.480 So Ezekiel 13, 20, and it's mentioned again, I think below it, uh, the wherefore the say

01:04:13.360 the Lord God behold, I'm against your pillows wherewith ye hunt the souls to make them fly

01:04:19.140 and I will tear them from your arms.

01:04:21.280 And I'll let your soul, I'll, I will let the souls go, even though the souls that ye hunt

01:04:25.160 to make them fly.

01:04:26.500 That's an interesting, crazy scripture.

01:04:28.620 So, but what you were just saying about like, yeah, everything is in the Bible to get a dog.

01:04:33.300 Everything's in the Bible.

01:04:34.340 Yeah.

01:04:34.600 That thing, whatever is on you now we're, we're discussing, we were talking about almost

01:04:39.660 like a function of sleep paralysis, which is just vibration that's mentioned in the book

01:04:43.700 of Joe.

01:04:44.120 It's constant in the abduction experience to paralysis, that electrical feeling that you talked

01:04:49.360 about, I experienced that that's constant in the abduct, the phenomenon as well.

01:04:53.380 That's constant in schizophrenia.

01:04:54.380 I mean, that's constant in, it gets kind of scientific when you start to really look

01:04:58.660 into it, but you said your soul jumped out of your body and it like flew away.

01:05:03.700 And over here in the Bible, God is condemning these, I guess they're witches or something,

01:05:07.860 but they have some sort of technology, the pillows.

01:05:10.380 It's like, it's some sort of a band when you look at the Hebrew translation and they were

01:05:15.920 using this to hunt souls.

01:05:18.240 And that's interesting, make their soul hunters fly away.

01:05:21.660 Crazy.

01:05:22.360 I don't, again, well, within the alien abductee thing, the soul harvesting, right?

01:05:27.300 And it's huge people feel.

01:05:29.100 And that's, I think the fear that comes upon people, it transcends, you know, typical fear

01:05:34.160 of, of a physical scenario.

01:05:35.680 It's something you've never felt before.

01:05:37.400 To me, it was the, the impending doom of my mortal soul.

01:05:41.400 Nothing else compared to that level of fear.

01:05:44.780 Probably because it was right.

01:05:45.760 Right, right.

01:05:47.320 And I'm not trying to give, you know, the adversary that much power.

01:05:50.400 I don't know what they actually can do or can't do, but certainly the feeling.

01:05:54.760 You know what they're like, I think, I think these people, yeah, yeah.

01:05:57.660 They, you have a, you have a keen sense of what someone's aiming at and you're like,

01:06:01.020 oh, that's a vulnerability.

01:06:02.280 Yeah.

01:06:02.300 You're not trying to hit me in the jaw.

01:06:03.660 You're trying to hit me in the soul, dog.

01:06:05.400 Right in the soul.

01:06:05.940 Right in the soul.

01:06:06.500 I want to ask you something, John, what did you, first, I just want to lay out the fact

01:06:12.500 that Jesus ever works in an alien abduction scenario should make everybody, because I

01:06:18.680 know there was times where it doesn't work.

01:06:19.980 And we've talked about that.

01:06:21.120 The sons of Sceva couldn't cast out demons in, in, in Jesus's name because they didn't

01:06:25.700 have a relationship with Christ.

01:06:26.840 They were just invoking the name of Christ because that's what Paul did.

01:06:29.660 Um, and then, you know, Jesus even delineates that some of these things need to come out

01:06:34.860 through prayer and fasting.

01:06:35.960 I think that generational iniquity, for example, is, is a really, um, it's often the cause of

01:06:44.320 these things that haunt people or abduct people or whatever.

01:06:47.900 I think it was why anything had access to me until I, I broke those bonds because the debt

01:06:54.660 has already been paid.

01:06:55.860 Christ has already paid that debt.

01:06:57.060 Uh, you just have to call upon that and ask for that debt to be broken.

01:07:00.700 So I think it was because my grandmother was mixed up in a bunch of goofy shit.

01:07:04.680 Um, John, do you give any thought to the, the, why, why did this thing have access?

01:07:10.620 Why was it able to operate, you know, and, and obviously it seems to be in alignment with

01:07:16.020 this demonic realm.

01:07:17.580 It's, it's against the kingdom of God or else, you know, this calling on, on, on God, Yahweh,

01:07:24.280 Jesus, like these things wouldn't have applied.

01:07:27.280 Um, have you given any thought as, as to why it has access or had access at one point?

01:07:32.960 Yeah, I think, I think that a lot of this, so if I really look back and, and I have looked

01:07:37.340 back on this a lot, of course, this is something that I've thought about quite a bit.

01:07:41.320 So my grandfather had just died.

01:07:43.220 My grandfather was not a professing believer.

01:07:46.520 In fact, uh, many, he was a, he's very wise.

01:07:49.600 He's like, he, he, he's the guy that I told you that told me, um, what I, what I talked

01:07:54.320 about earlier.

01:07:54.880 Uh, but he was not a believer.

01:07:56.980 In fact, um, there are accusations against the man that he was not just not a believer,

01:08:07.480 but like, he might have been one of a kingpin or something.

01:08:10.820 Like he might've been something a little bit different than what, um, I knew him as, as

01:08:16.780 my grandpa.

01:08:17.360 Um, so I think after he died that that area, that whole property was underneath that spiritual

01:08:26.220 force, that familiar spirit, the idea of familiar spirit means family.

01:08:30.220 It means something that has been with, um, I also believe that we have angels, like the

01:08:36.100 idea of guardian angels.

01:08:37.260 I believe that's real.

01:08:38.100 A lot of people don't believe that, but I believe that is actually real.

01:08:41.680 And not just because of my own experiences where I've definitely been protected by something

01:08:47.340 that is unexplainable, completely unexplainable, even in the form of a, of a, of a human that

01:08:55.640 just came along.

01:08:56.540 I remember, uh, just, just to give a quick example.

01:08:59.620 I mean, one time when I was a youngster, a teenager, uh, we got in a fight, me and my

01:09:05.860 cousin and a couple other guys with about 20 other dudes, um, at a bowling alley.

01:09:11.840 And we get there and my cousin's fearless.

01:09:15.900 He's like a little, like, uh, short guy, but like completely fearless.

01:09:21.280 Like he, he will fight into the death.

01:09:23.780 Doesn't care about like, he's just like, he'll get in your face.

01:09:27.100 He's like a bulldog.

01:09:27.920 Like he does not care.

01:09:29.060 And so like, we're getting in this fight with like 40 different people.

01:09:32.180 My cousins up in their face, like grabbing them by the hair, throwing them down on their

01:09:35.380 car.

01:09:35.680 And they're not, they're like, you know, they're just kind of like all they're getting

01:09:39.060 ready to do it.

01:09:39.980 Well, God, all of a sudden, when the moment comes where all these people are getting ready

01:09:44.540 to jump on us, God sends this old van and it's parks there.

01:09:49.280 And this dude comes out that looks like, I don't even know how to describe the guy.

01:09:55.460 Like he looked like something out of a crazy movie and he gets out and he says, he like,

01:10:01.520 like literally tells every single one of those guys.

01:10:03.740 He's like, if you go against them, you're going against me.

01:10:06.180 And like, he pulls out of the van and he's got like all of these like guns and everything.

01:10:11.560 And he's just like, looks like this crazy superhero dude.

01:10:14.260 Like he just pulls out and like every single one of these guys like is, you know, freaked

01:10:19.040 out to no end.

01:10:20.060 Like they're like, what is like, this guy's getting ready to shoot like everybody here.

01:10:23.300 And then right as soon as that happens, the cops come and literally take all of those

01:10:28.600 people and they are, they all get in trouble.

01:10:30.480 They go to jail because it looks like they're trying to, um, you know, fight us.

01:10:35.280 And then this guy just gets back in his car, drives off while the cops are there and nothing

01:10:39.440 ever happens.

01:10:40.460 And we're there like, and I'm like in this situation, how it should have gone down, we

01:10:44.980 should have all been beat probably dead or to the ground.

01:10:47.620 Like, cause these guys were gangsters.

01:10:49.160 They weren't just like playing around.

01:10:51.180 They were like legitimately a group of guys that went around beating people up on purpose.

01:10:55.980 But, uh, this situation happened and this is, is unexplainable.

01:11:00.500 This just happens.

01:11:01.340 It comes out of nowhere and these, these situations occur.

01:11:05.680 And dude, I've so, I'm so sorry, but I forgot your, what, forgot your question.

01:11:09.300 Well, I was asking, um, and you, you kind of did answer it.

01:11:12.280 You were saying that you think it's because of the things that your grandfather was involved

01:11:15.660 with.

01:11:16.240 Um, you got on the topic of, of guardian angels, but just this idea of like familiar spirits

01:11:21.280 and, and them having, I guess, access to the property after your grandfather, uh, passes

01:11:25.500 away, you know, access to me too.

01:11:27.860 And just to finish that, I think too, also like I had demons before I was a believer.

01:11:34.200 I had, I mean, I really, I was on all kinds of pharmaceuticals.

01:11:37.360 I remember actually, uh, praying and, and because I was, I had unforgiveness in my heart, uh, something

01:11:43.960 that I didn't really even realize I had, man.

01:11:45.880 I just happened to like, really think about it.

01:11:47.900 And I was hearing some guy on, on the TV talk about how unforgiveness like makes you sick

01:11:54.400 because you're not allowed to heal.

01:11:55.600 It's like, put you in fight or flight, uh, everything with unforgiveness completely destroys

01:12:00.780 your entire physical body and everything.

01:12:02.560 And dude, like I realized in that moment, I'm like, man, I have unforgiveness, like for

01:12:06.980 something that happened to me a long time ago.

01:12:09.120 And like, I still hold, I'm still holding that stinking grudge.

01:12:12.120 And like, when I thought about it, like instantly I was like, Oh, like, I got to let this go.

01:12:16.580 Like, man, you know, like I got to let this go.

01:12:19.140 And as soon as I did that, dude, I felt the spirit leave my body.

01:12:22.180 It was like, it coughed out of my body.

01:12:24.600 It was like the spirit of whatever you want to call it unforgiveness, whatever the spirit

01:12:28.160 was, it literally left my body.

01:12:30.260 And like these weird situations happen to that over and over again, these demons would manifest

01:12:36.700 in people around me.

01:12:38.520 Um, do you got, do you want to hear one of the stories?

01:12:40.760 Do you got time?

01:12:41.460 I'll tell you one of the stories.

01:12:42.540 Yeah.

01:12:42.920 So after I became a believer, this situation happened.

01:12:46.080 Um, another situation that is like one of the, one of the crazy, I'll tell you two situations

01:12:51.600 because this happened like almost one thing after another.

01:12:54.540 And I could almost knew the demon.

01:12:56.580 I could feel it.

01:12:57.660 Um, one of the situations was I'm at this coffee house.

01:13:01.420 My friends own this coffee house.

01:13:02.760 We're there late at night.

01:13:03.900 Uh, we're chilling, drinking coffee, hanging out, talking about the concerts they're going to

01:13:08.280 have at this venue because they have venue, uh, venue for like punk rock concerts.

01:13:12.580 And this, my friend that I hadn't talked to in a long time, I used to do record at the

01:13:17.340 recording studio with him.

01:13:19.100 And he was, uh, I went to high school with him.

01:13:21.400 He was a pretty good friend.

01:13:22.460 I hadn't seen him in years.

01:13:23.880 He calls me and he says, Hey John, um, this is crazy, but he's like the girl that I'm with

01:13:30.500 wants to see you.

01:13:31.720 And I'm like, okay, like what's her name?

01:13:34.480 And he tells me her name.

01:13:35.660 And, and I remember this girl, like I hadn't seen her in like six years, but she came to

01:13:40.100 the studio one time to record an album that she was doing.

01:13:43.420 And, um, I met her there.

01:13:45.480 I talked to her.

01:13:47.000 Didn't we were, I wasn't a Christian at the time.

01:13:48.880 So it was like, you know, it was different, weird.

01:13:52.000 And, uh, he said, listen, dude, like, I got to tell you this, this is really, really

01:13:55.180 strange, but she's sitting on my lap.

01:13:57.240 She was sitting on my lap and as the, as she was sitting on my lap, the lights went

01:14:02.080 real dark and her voice changed.

01:14:04.360 And she said, you can see us, can't you?

01:14:06.240 And like, she sounded like a demon and she looked at me and then she said, she wants to

01:14:10.500 see you.

01:14:10.960 And I'm like, Oh man, like this is, you know, like in my mind, I'm thinking this is freaking

01:14:15.520 creepy and crazy.

01:14:16.400 So my friends that were there are like, I want there to be witnesses.

01:14:19.420 I want to see what's going down like this with this lady tries to kill me.

01:14:22.300 Like, I don't know what's going on.

01:14:23.580 And so we invite her over to the coffee house and she literally starts manifesting in this

01:14:28.700 demonic voice, uh, right away and starts like bending over backwards, doing weird stuff.

01:14:33.700 And so we cast the demon out of her, uh, the very next week I'm in Boonville, Indiana, which

01:14:40.160 is a town not too far from where I lived at the time.

01:14:42.680 And we're driving down the road.

01:14:44.100 I'm working for this, uh, place called all green organics.

01:14:47.060 It was a organics, uh, lawn care company, and this was the first, one of the first jobs

01:14:51.740 I had after, you know, dealing drugs and all that.

01:14:54.100 So it was like a, my first reputable job that I'd had in many, many years.

01:14:58.240 And thankfully the, the owner of it was a Christian dude and kind of understanding and

01:15:02.100 my situation.

01:15:02.840 And he was, he was actually kind of my first mentor, even though, um, he wasn't a really

01:15:07.440 like solid believer.

01:15:08.460 He didn't really know a lot about stuff, but he was kind of like the first guy that kind

01:15:12.040 of took me under his wing after all this happened.

01:15:14.420 And, and we're driving through Boonville, I look on the side of the road and I see this

01:15:18.160 dude wearing all red, like his decked out red hat, red everything.

01:15:22.600 And he's got this big cross and his name is actually Obadiah Franklin.

01:15:26.960 Uh, you can look them up.

01:15:28.220 I think is like mapping Jesus or maybe something like that.

01:15:31.420 Mobadiah Franklin, he'll go to different spots and he like posts up dressed in all red, holding

01:15:36.620 this cross.

01:15:37.200 And then he'll preach.

01:15:37.980 He's a preacher.

01:15:38.620 He's a pretty solid dude.

01:15:40.280 I enjoyed talking to him.

01:15:42.260 He was a really just a servant guy, just trying to get out there and spread awareness about

01:15:46.960 Christ, whether you agree with the methods or not, whatever he, that's what he was trying

01:15:50.440 to do.

01:15:51.200 And so we pull over on the side of the road.

01:15:53.160 I'm like, dude, pull over.

01:15:54.080 I got to talk to this guy, like, see what's going on here.

01:15:56.860 Um, and I did.

01:15:57.900 And I, he's like, Hey dude, like I've got late.

01:16:00.480 He didn't say, Hey dude, but you know, you get what I'm saying.

01:16:03.140 And he's like, we've got to, um, we've got a, uh, um, revival going on in this little

01:16:09.740 place here in Boonville at this little building.

01:16:12.620 And if you guys want later, come by and check it out.

01:16:15.360 And, uh, I remember looking at my friend being like, let's do it, dude.

01:16:18.420 I mean, you know, what's the chances that we run by this guy and then we're invited to

01:16:22.500 a revival.

01:16:22.860 So we go out and treat the lawns that we're treating.

01:16:25.640 And then we go at the end of the night, we go pull into this place and it's this little

01:16:29.180 rundown, like downtown church.

01:16:32.120 And it's not even there anymore, but this church was just like, there was maybe, you know, 20

01:16:36.820 people at this church.

01:16:38.420 We pull up to it and we go inside and dude, this is like, it still makes the hairs on my

01:16:45.760 arms stand up.

01:16:46.580 And like, when I tell the story of my friend, he's like, you know, it just still like freaks

01:16:50.340 him out.

01:16:50.680 But we go in there and there's this girl in the front of this church and she's literally

01:16:55.880 bent over arch backwards with her whole body back, like standing like that.

01:17:01.760 And there there's all these people praying over her and she turns to the side like this,

01:17:06.500 like, it looks right here, right at me.

01:17:09.700 And she's like, I've been waiting for you.

01:17:12.000 Like, and starts like shaking and trembling and dude, oh my gosh.

01:17:15.700 And so like in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, like this is another demon.

01:17:20.020 I need to go cast this thing out.

01:17:21.280 So I go up to the front, I pray over her and the demon leaves.

01:17:24.560 And she tells this story.

01:17:25.800 She said that, um, she walked by this church.

01:17:28.580 She was thinking about getting an abortion and she decided to come into the church and

01:17:33.100 the demon manifest.

01:17:34.120 And so like that literally that start, that kind of stuff happened.

01:17:37.300 That's not the only thing.

01:17:38.220 There's other times when this, this almost, I feel like it was the same demon, but it kept

01:17:42.480 like manifesting in people.

01:17:44.440 It happened at a conference that I was at at take on the world conference.

01:17:47.140 I think in 2017 or something at the same demon.

01:17:51.300 Um, I believe, I feel like it was the same demon because just the way it talked and the

01:17:55.220 way it like recognized me, I just was like, this is the same demon that keeps manifesting

01:18:00.360 in people around me, but it just, it kept happening.

01:18:03.440 And so like, where does that come from?

01:18:05.700 And is it a familiar, is it one that has a vendetta?

01:18:08.940 Is it whatever?

01:18:09.740 But that happened for about three years.

01:18:12.540 Um, and then it's only happened maybe once since then.

01:18:15.960 And that's been a while back.

01:18:17.220 I mean, we're talking 2017.

01:18:18.820 So like after that, after, I guess, eventually over and over, then casting this thing out,

01:18:23.460 it's like, okay, I give up.

01:18:24.660 So I don't know.

01:18:25.460 That's my, my experiences, like take it or leave it.

01:18:28.100 But that's what I'll tell you what though, John, I think that, um, I've heard somebody

01:18:31.720 mentioned before, it might've been Tony Merkel who said that he thinks that these things

01:18:37.780 know who is going to be a problem.

01:18:41.540 And it's like, well, what does that mean?

01:18:42.580 What does the problem mean?

01:18:43.480 And I mean, so we've been given a job.

01:18:44.920 The job is the great commission.

01:18:46.440 It's to go forth and make disciples of men.

01:18:49.680 And I think that, you know, you have this story where this woman comes to you and she,

01:18:54.320 she prophesies over you that, you know, when you're in the church and you're, you're a

01:18:58.060 much younger man that you're going to speak to millions of people.

01:19:02.140 And it's like the spiritual realm has an idea.

01:19:06.880 Maybe, I don't know.

01:19:07.660 I don't know how to quantify it.

01:19:08.560 I'm not going to pretend I know.

01:19:09.880 Um, just wouldn't surprise me if, if that is the case.

01:19:12.720 And it's like, you know, John, you've been doing this for, for, for 10 years, you could

01:19:15.860 have easily, you know, got sucked into the music industry.

01:19:19.860 Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but we all have heard, you know,

01:19:23.940 within the conspiracy communities that the music industry, you want to talk about powers

01:19:27.440 and principalities.

01:19:28.900 Music is a, it's a force.

01:19:32.080 It's a, it's a, it's a tool.

01:19:34.040 And, you know, for the kingdom of God, it's used to in worship.

01:19:38.420 But I think it is, I heard somebody today, just today say it, and I forgot who I was listening

01:19:43.020 to, but I said, be careful of music because it is, it's a form of hypnosis and it always

01:19:51.660 is, is trying to get you to, to accept something.

01:19:55.840 I'm, I'm butchering it.

01:19:56.820 It was much more, you know, elegant the way that I heard it.

01:20:00.020 Man, what's his name?

01:20:00.960 The, the pianist that came on, talk about Sandy Hook with us.

01:20:04.520 Oh, um, Foundry.

01:20:06.400 Foundry, yeah.

01:20:07.120 Yeah.

01:20:07.520 When you study some, like some music theory, like the lightest music theory, we know about

01:20:11.360 pop chords and that's all like the same formula.

01:20:14.020 And that goes along vibration as well.

01:20:16.180 Cause you could change the key signature, but the relationship that those chords have with

01:20:21.020 each other for some reason gets replicated and it's put into every song you hear on the

01:20:24.840 radio.

01:20:25.340 And it's hypnotic and it drills a message in your head.

01:20:27.960 Yeah.

01:20:28.320 It's so, there is something to that.

01:20:31.320 Um, music is deaf.

01:20:33.280 It's something that I'm obsessed with too.

01:20:34.580 Cause I'm like, I'm a musician and I played in the church as well, but I, I always look

01:20:39.480 at that, at that thing as like, it's like, it does something to you.

01:20:43.300 It, it, it, it, it facilitates a thing.

01:20:45.520 It puts you in a state that makes you ready to receive.

01:20:47.540 If you're ready to receive the word of God, I think, and then there's really something

01:20:50.800 to that, but it is an idea or an opinion.

01:20:53.620 So if you take that thing and you invert it and you twist it and you say now, instead

01:20:57.120 of the word of God, I'm going to, what's going to ride this frequency, this, this, you

01:21:02.180 know, this, um, condition that I've put you in is, is a bad idea.

01:21:05.920 It's a corrosive idea.

01:21:07.080 And that's obvious, right?

01:21:08.540 I mean, we look at the state of the music industry now, or maybe as it's always been to

01:21:12.620 some degree and it's like social cultural engineering.

01:21:17.900 It's probably the most successful because I was talking to my son, my son's 10 years

01:21:21.900 old and I go, Hey bud, don't you think it's interesting that like the way that you talk

01:21:27.120 in the way that you dress for everybody, like not just you almost always comes from music

01:21:32.340 and movies and shows.

01:21:33.660 Isn't that weird?

01:21:34.700 And he's like, yeah, I guess so.

01:21:36.700 And I go, yeah, I guess so.

01:21:38.040 I go, um, what do you think people would be like if it wasn't for that?

01:21:41.140 And he goes, I don't know.

01:21:42.160 What would they be like?

01:21:42.880 And I go, I don't know.

01:21:43.580 I'm just asking you, like, I wanted to see what he thought.

01:21:45.360 And he was like, Oh, I don't know.

01:21:46.360 But I, you know, I just wanted to drop that little thing on him.

01:21:49.380 And well, you're talking about these levels of like, you're at a crossroad, right?

01:21:53.560 And you can go left or right.

01:21:55.000 Yeah.

01:21:55.320 And I think that God designs that this is like, this is like a weird question.

01:21:59.680 Cause like, cause when you try to understand God, you don't, I don't know.

01:22:04.300 I think maybe he has the best take on it where he knows what he's designed you for, but

01:22:07.780 it's kind of your choice to go that way.

01:22:09.240 But there's something specifically made up about John Pounders.

01:22:12.200 Like there is a mathematical equation.

01:22:14.660 If you could look, look at the ones and zeros of what you're going to do from your young

01:22:19.860 adult life or from your young life to when you go to jail to afterward to what you're

01:22:24.060 doing right now.

01:22:24.880 And there's a set of decisions that you have to make.

01:22:27.640 And I think in the spiritual realm, I think these entities can see those things.

01:22:31.540 They can see this simple equation.

01:22:33.240 That guy is built and he could do this.

01:22:36.140 We got to detract from that, push them over here a little bit, even if it's just one degree.

01:22:40.760 And this is like, this is what we fight against every day about like that one degree of the

01:22:46.040 misdirection.

01:22:47.000 Yep.

01:22:47.840 And it's like, well, where does that lead people?

01:22:49.580 If you're not in alignment by one degree, you've sinned.

01:22:52.140 That's like, that's the archery term, right?

01:22:54.180 So absolutely.

01:22:55.680 Oh man.

01:22:56.320 Well, that's it.

01:22:57.020 The path is narrow, right?

01:22:59.860 And so one little misstep, you calculate that out.

01:23:02.840 It's like, if you're building something and your measurements are off, you go down 20

01:23:06.960 feet, 30 feet down the line, and now you're off by, you know, a monumental proportion.

01:23:12.640 That's why my constant prayer in all this is like, because it is tricky, right, John?

01:23:16.440 Like we're dealing with all sorts of things.

01:23:20.240 We're peering into occult texts, Gnostic concepts.

01:23:25.600 You know, I'm looking at the new age with a new lens where I used to look at it as something

01:23:30.660 and go, oh, that's interesting.

01:23:31.500 Is that what's going on now?

01:23:32.940 I look at it as like, okay, it is, but it's an inversion.

01:23:35.920 And in what ways is it an inversion?

01:23:38.160 And, um, but that's, that's risky, right?

01:23:40.640 So my, my constant prayer is I'm, I'm always talking to God and I'm like, if I, cause I

01:23:44.500 almost certainly have at any given time, I'm, I'm now, you know, steering wheels a little

01:23:50.360 bit cocked may not be much, but if I keep this going, I'm going to go off, you know,

01:23:55.080 off the trail, off the narrow path, just course, correct me, bring me back in, shut that

01:23:59.640 door.

01:24:02.000 Whatever your plan is, that's what I want to do.

01:24:04.060 But like, it's a slippery slope, man, because I think we are called to be wise as serpents,

01:24:09.980 right?

01:24:10.340 And, and, you know, my people perish for a lack of knowledge or lack of understanding.

01:24:13.880 And it is a great tool to bring people to Christ is to say, I know what you're seeing.

01:24:22.080 I understand a bit about it.

01:24:23.360 You're not wrong for seeing this crazy new age principle or Gnostic thing or alien thing

01:24:28.340 or what have you.

01:24:30.020 It's valid.

01:24:31.060 I'm not going to laugh you out of the room.

01:24:32.660 We can even talk about it.

01:24:33.780 I know a little bit about what you're going through and what you're, but like, this is

01:24:36.900 what you need to be focused on.

01:24:38.020 But it's, it's a, it's a risky place to be.

01:24:40.520 It is, it is a risky place to be.

01:24:43.860 I think that, man, I, I really have a heart for people that to understand this whole mystery.

01:24:49.680 I think that the only mystery worth understanding is the one that brings you life eternal and

01:24:55.780 that brings you forgiveness and purpose.

01:24:59.380 That's the most important thing.

01:25:00.960 And ultimately the only answer for that is Yeshua, Jesus.

01:25:05.940 He says, he's the way, the truth, and the life.

01:25:08.000 And no man comes to the father through him.

01:25:10.000 I found that for me.

01:25:12.060 Now, a lot of people can say, well, that's your experience.

01:25:14.740 And, and I found this through this way.

01:25:17.660 You can say that if you want, but every ancient story, and this is where a lot of people would

01:25:22.320 really hate on me for saying this because, but I believe it to be true.

01:25:26.440 I believe every ancient text, even the Babylonian creation myth, you know, the texts about the

01:25:32.860 Anunnaki, they're all telling the exact same story.

01:25:35.900 Each one's got maybe a different perspective.

01:25:38.740 Each one may be allegorical telling an astro theological aspect, but the culmination of all of those texts is that there

01:25:46.540 will be one that comes that saves the entire world.

01:25:50.160 That's the culmination.

01:25:51.780 Whether it's in astro theology, the sun comes and brings out the daylight and brings the light and vanquishes darkness.

01:25:59.060 But at the heart of all these stories, there's a man at the heart of all these stories.

01:26:02.880 And the only person that's ever lived on this earth, that has ever been in existence, that claims to be the son of God,

01:26:09.620 that did righteousness, that lived and rose again and is recorded to rise again, is Jesus.

01:26:15.820 That's it.

01:26:16.580 That's literally the only one.

01:26:18.040 I've looked at all the stories.

01:26:19.380 Every story has a hero, a villain.

01:26:22.700 Every story has a rising sun.

01:26:24.520 But those weren't even real people.

01:26:25.820 Like, you know, you look at a lot of people try to tie in Christianity with,

01:26:30.440 I can't think it's like the most common, like the zeitgeist version of it.

01:26:39.100 Oh, well, I know they have the celestial crux, right?

01:26:42.720 That's the astrological thing where the sun resides in the crux.

01:26:44.880 The dying God, the idea of the dying God, whatever that, you can, Mithra or whatever.

01:26:49.700 Osiris, yeah.

01:26:51.000 Yeah.

01:26:51.520 Then they also look at the Magi, and the Magi were Mithra cults.

01:26:56.360 Well, guess what?

01:26:57.120 Guess who they came to worship?

01:26:59.020 Guess who they came to worship in the end because of all the prophecies of the stars when they lined up?

01:27:03.120 They came to worship Jesus because he is the culmination of all of those prophecies.

01:27:08.520 It doesn't matter if you're in the Koran.

01:27:10.300 It doesn't matter if you're in the Vedic text.

01:27:12.240 It doesn't matter if you're in the Babylonian creation myth.

01:27:14.580 There's one who comes who is the son of God.

01:27:17.540 There's one who comes to save the world, and that one is written about in the Bible.

01:27:21.840 It's actually written about in all the books.

01:27:23.440 It didn't give his name because even the angels didn't understand the mystery.

01:27:27.260 The book of Hebrews talks about the angels not understanding the mystery,

01:27:31.040 and they've come to check it out because they don't understand.

01:27:33.960 They didn't know.

01:27:34.940 If they knew, they wouldn't have crucified him.

01:27:36.700 They didn't know.

01:27:38.480 Now we know.

01:27:40.020 Now we have that mystery, and everything else can be led.

01:27:43.340 The truth can be led, and it's a personal journey.

01:27:45.860 It's not like Pounder's Quest is going to tell you everything you need to know.

01:27:50.220 Nephilim Death Squad is going to tell you everything you need to know.

01:27:53.060 This person, no, it's going to be a journey,

01:27:56.060 and there's going to be people that help along your path and open your eyes to certain things,

01:27:59.960 and it's going to be up to you to whether you walk down that corridor and check those things out,

01:28:04.900 but the ultimate truth is how do you live forever?

01:28:09.540 How do you be forgiven?

01:28:10.820 How do you live a new life and a powerful life and a life of light that you're able to lead other people to Christ

01:28:16.720 and lead them to good things?

01:28:18.580 I look at myself, and I ask myself this all the time,

01:28:23.740 and this is something that I think everybody should ask themselves and think.

01:28:26.960 Have I been a blessing to all I serve?

01:28:29.600 When I serve people, was I a blessing to them?

01:28:32.080 And yeah, they may hate you now after you've left and done other things,

01:28:35.400 but when you served them, were you a blessing?

01:28:38.320 Did you love people the way that you were supposed to love those people?

01:28:41.620 Did you help them in the ways that they were supposed to be helped?

01:28:44.740 These are all of the things that are of the children of God.

01:28:48.600 So we can sit and be high and mighty on our dogma.

01:28:52.240 We believe this, and we know this for sure.

01:28:55.820 We understand the prophecy perfectly.

01:28:58.040 We understand the Trinity perfectly.

01:28:59.940 We know it all, but that's bull crap.

01:29:02.320 That's a complete idiotic way to live because none of that is true.

01:29:05.860 You don't know any of those things, but you can know where your path is taking you.

01:29:10.520 You can know that when you stand before God that you are going to be kind of righteous.

01:29:15.340 Maybe nobody else knows that about you.

01:29:17.320 Maybe nobody understands that about you.

01:29:18.920 Maybe everybody pushes you down, but you got to expect that that's going to happen.

01:29:23.040 They did that to Jesus.

01:29:24.000 They pushed him down.

01:29:25.360 He was literally the son of God walking around healing people.

01:29:29.460 So just to give you an idea of what he did,

01:29:32.400 and I've been going through Matthew with my Bible study,

01:29:35.240 from the very get-go, he goes 40 days in the wilderness.

01:29:38.340 Satan tries to tempt him.

01:29:40.120 Boom, he shuts that down.

01:29:41.640 He says, I'm not doing it.

01:29:42.800 That's the first step of every believer.

01:29:44.280 You go through the process.

01:29:45.580 Satan tempts you.

01:29:46.340 He gives you something, and you decide whether you're going to take it or not.

01:29:49.400 The second step, he went to John the Baptist.

01:29:51.220 He got baptized.

01:29:52.840 Then the Spirit of God came down on him and said,

01:29:55.580 this is my son in whom I'm well pleased.

01:29:57.740 The very next thing he did is he went around and started healing people of being lame,

01:30:01.980 healing people that were blind, casting demons out.

01:30:05.140 He was going through the city.

01:30:06.520 Hundreds of thousands of people followed him around for a long period of time

01:30:10.580 because he kept on doing things, and he kept on healing people.

01:30:14.120 He kept on speaking great things.

01:30:16.260 And we're not talking about just a few people.

01:30:18.240 Yeah, he had 12 disciples, but literally thousands of people would not even go home.

01:30:23.300 He had to supply food for them.

01:30:25.140 He had to multiply food and supply food.

01:30:27.580 It says 5,000 and 4,000, but if you read that, it's just the men.

01:30:31.300 It's not counting all of the women and all of the children who were there.

01:30:34.260 So he was feeding like hundreds of thousands of people because they didn't even want to leave his side

01:30:39.460 because of how great this man was when he walked the earth.

01:30:42.740 And the Bible is not the only thing that writes of him.

01:30:45.140 This is like a real record of a human that walked the earth and did these powerful things.

01:30:50.340 The religious order was getting pissed.

01:30:52.360 They started getting mad because they're like, this guy's speaking on authority.

01:30:55.640 He's ruining our authority.

01:30:57.000 They had already killed the high priest and taken over and put an Edomite up as the high priest.

01:31:04.300 Zechariah was killed.

01:31:05.660 It talks about that.

01:31:07.220 John the Baptist should have been the new high priest.

01:31:09.280 So he's going around just pissing them off, man, flipping their tables.

01:31:13.940 All the people are following Jesus now.

01:31:15.780 They're not going to the synagogue where these Pharisees that knew who the law were.

01:31:21.440 They weren't going there.

01:31:22.860 They were following him, dude.

01:31:23.960 So from the moment he was magnified into ministry, I guess you could call it,

01:31:30.040 he was going around doing great things.

01:31:32.600 The people were following him, but the religious order hated him.

01:31:37.360 And that's the way I want to live my life.

01:31:39.520 If you think about it, you want the religious order to hate you.

01:31:43.440 You want them to hate you because they're not doing the right thing anyway.

01:31:46.340 They never have been.

01:31:47.560 Every time the prophet rises up, whether it's Elijah, Nathan, Nathaniel, all of them,

01:31:52.120 they rise up and they're saying, you guys are doing wrong.

01:31:55.440 And then Elijah, what did they tell him?

01:31:57.320 He said, you're a troubler of Israel.

01:31:59.200 How many times have we been called the troubler of the church?

01:32:02.000 You're bothering the church or you're stepping on the church's toes.

01:32:05.740 Well, they need to be stepped on.

01:32:06.940 They need to be shown the truth about things because very seldom has ever been the collective

01:32:12.600 religion has been correct on these things.

01:32:14.500 Um, and when Jesus went around on this earth, he didn't mince words.

01:32:19.000 He dealt, he did what he was supposed to do.

01:32:21.380 I believe that that's the only truth that really can actually change you in a way to

01:32:25.680 where you know it, because you have to know these things.

01:32:28.660 Like I can't, I can't force you into conversion.

01:32:31.960 I can't even talk you into it.

01:32:33.700 It has to be something you taste and see and see that like, okay, now I get it.

01:32:39.320 Like, because it sounds like foolishness to those that don't believe it, the, the, what

01:32:43.420 I'm telling you sounds crazy if you don't believe it, but you taste it, you see it and

01:32:47.700 you feel it, you know, and that's all there is to it.

01:32:49.980 Like there's a faith there.

01:32:51.180 The faith comes by hearing, hearing by the word of God, the word of God's true.

01:32:54.820 We need to be like looking at that at least pick up the Bible, read it, see what it says.

01:32:59.980 Ask God to show you what it's saying.

01:33:02.000 I mean, that's really all, all a person like us can do to kind of plant the, the seeds of

01:33:07.460 the gospel.

01:33:07.900 When I know that like, you know, it's not the most important thing to everybody.

01:33:11.260 There are things that people need help with and we need to, we worried about that too.

01:33:16.500 Like worried about like, if somebody needs food, don't go and try to preach the gospel

01:33:20.380 to them, give them some food, then preach the gospel.

01:33:22.420 Show them you care, show them that you have some kind of heart and love for other people.

01:33:27.700 You know, there's a lot to that.

01:33:29.140 So I'll stop there though.

01:33:30.220 Cause I could, I mean, amen.

01:33:32.520 It's a, it's a powerful message also.

01:33:34.040 I mean, we've been, we've been getting more comfortable with the idea of like, you know,

01:33:38.020 you talk about the body of Christ.

01:33:39.340 Well, there's a lot of different parts of this body, you know?

01:33:41.960 And I think we're not, we're, we're part of it, but we're like the funny bone.

01:33:45.960 So like, but we play, we play a role and I can't talk to the people that John Pounders

01:33:51.040 is going to reach or, you know, like other people will reach same way.

01:33:55.240 You can't talk to the people that we can reach.

01:33:58.660 And I don't know, it's just this, this line that we got to walk, but I want to respect

01:34:02.120 your time.

01:34:02.400 I just got two more questions.

01:34:03.680 Usually we hit them up with one.

01:34:05.160 Wait, what are you going to ask?

01:34:06.080 Cause I also had two more questions, but I want to, I want to see where this is going.

01:34:09.280 Rock, paper, scissors.

01:34:10.120 No, no, go ahead.

01:34:10.740 I want to know, I want to know your, your take on, on the modern church right now, the

01:34:16.480 501c3 establishment, because it's a place that I go.

01:34:19.980 It's a place that I've been kicked out of years ago for telling the truth or, you know,

01:34:24.300 making waves and being my, being who I am.

01:34:27.360 But I'm back now.

01:34:28.320 Cause I feel like I'm back, baby back stronger than ever.

01:34:31.580 No, I, you know, you had to have some humility and be like, Hey, maybe I was a jerk.

01:34:35.260 And I was, and, and then I'm going back and you see the obvious flows in it for me

01:34:40.020 as I'm looking at it, but I also see what it does.

01:34:43.800 And I'm trying to really delineate, like, this is a thing, this is a tool, right?

01:34:48.040 Again, like it's a body of, it's part of the body of Christ.

01:34:50.760 What does it do?

01:34:51.780 Are we using it the wrong?

01:34:52.740 That's just how I'm looking at it now.

01:34:54.100 But what is your opinion on it?

01:34:55.320 How are you looking at it with, you know, the last 10 years of your ministry, what you've

01:34:58.720 been doing?

01:35:00.140 Yeah, I think that I look at it a lot differently now than I did maybe five years ago or even

01:35:05.280 two years ago.

01:35:06.240 So, um, I used to pretty much tell people to stay away from it because especially new

01:35:10.860 believers, because I thought that, uh, they, they kind of are good at putting out fire in

01:35:17.640 people.

01:35:17.960 Like if you were fire, if you're on fire for God, they're good at like throwing water on

01:35:22.560 that.

01:35:23.480 Uh, at least that's what I experienced in that.

01:35:26.100 Um, but if once you're grounded and you can like understand deception from non-deception,

01:35:33.300 you can see through people like there's like, we all got to get to that point.

01:35:36.740 We all have to get to the point to where we understand the, that's part of wisdom, understanding

01:35:41.440 the human condition and saying, okay, this can be used against me.

01:35:45.640 Now I know this, like it's, you know, once you see a magician's trick, it's, it has lost

01:35:50.980 all its, uh, surprise.

01:35:52.520 It's lost all its power because you understand the magician's trick.

01:35:56.000 Once we can get to that, then we can see that there are good people in the church.

01:36:00.180 There are like brothers and sisters that can be like family to us in the church.

01:36:05.740 There are positions that can, there are things that can cause us to grow in our walk, like

01:36:13.920 learning the scriptures.

01:36:15.240 First off, you know, like Sunday school, they teach the kids how to remember scripture.

01:36:19.680 I, I'm so thankful for that.

01:36:20.960 I, I, you know, when I grew up, if it wasn't for that, like I memorized so many parts of the

01:36:25.760 Bible because of Sunday school, when I was a child, uh, that I would never have known

01:36:30.640 now.

01:36:30.900 Like I can ramble off so many scriptures to you guys just because of that, you know, and

01:36:35.520 that's amazing to me.

01:36:36.440 That's a powerful thing.

01:36:38.060 Um, also you have community.

01:36:40.580 However, there are dark sides to every single church out there because the devil loves to

01:36:48.420 reside where he can be trusted.

01:36:51.100 And in the church and in schools and in places of power, this is the best place for demons

01:36:57.580 to reside and to hide because they are great at transforming themselves into being something

01:37:04.360 better than what they are.

01:37:05.620 They're good at that.

01:37:06.360 They're, they're really, really good.

01:37:08.180 Uh, the, the Bible talks about that, like Satan and his angels can transform into angels of

01:37:12.560 light.

01:37:12.780 So this is the thing you have to be aware of.

01:37:15.880 If you are in the church, know that because it's an organization, because it helps people,

01:37:22.800 because there are children there, because there are naive people there, that there are, is a

01:37:29.240 wolf at the, at the sides, at the gate.

01:37:33.760 They're there.

01:37:34.520 They're there.

01:37:35.300 Maybe they might even be the pastor, but there is a wolf there.

01:37:38.260 Know that for sure, that there is a wolf in your congregation.

01:37:42.280 No congregation has none.

01:37:44.640 They love to go there.

01:37:46.460 Just like there's going to be a predator.

01:37:49.180 Like I've got sheep, I've got a flock of sheep out here.

01:37:52.380 There's always going to be a predator waiting.

01:37:54.580 Always.

01:37:55.480 The question is, do I have a good guard dog?

01:37:57.300 I got a good guard dog right now.

01:37:58.700 He's, I got two, I got two great Pyrenees dogs, big white, look like big polar bears and

01:38:04.060 they kill coyotes.

01:38:05.160 They kill them.

01:38:05.840 They, they take them out.

01:38:06.920 They'll, the most gentle creature in the world to, to humans and to babies and to children,

01:38:12.380 but they will kill a predator in a heartbeat.

01:38:15.340 Not all churches have a predator killer.

01:38:18.080 Most of them don't because the predator killers are usually the first ones to get kicked out

01:38:21.920 of the church.

01:38:22.780 But so you need to be aware of that.

01:38:24.520 And that's for sure.

01:38:25.600 I've been in so many churches.

01:38:27.020 I grew up in church.

01:38:27.740 My dad was a pastor and I can tell you right now that the ones that have the best sheep

01:38:32.680 clothing are probably the ones that you need to watch out for the most.

01:38:36.220 And so like, I, that's what I would say.

01:38:38.020 That's the warnings.

01:38:39.060 Know that if your faith is in some man, because he's a girl, he's such a good pastor.

01:38:44.220 Pastor would never do anything so bad.

01:38:46.300 You know, like you've got that idea in your head.

01:38:48.400 Like you're, you're screwed already because you put your faith in a man.

01:38:52.220 And, uh, know this, that every man, including myself and these guys, the guys from Nefflin

01:38:57.180 Death Squad, we're all capable of doing something stupid.

01:39:00.300 We're all capable of screwing up every single one of us.

01:39:03.220 Like if you say you're not, then you're a liar, plain and simple, but we're all capable.

01:39:07.860 And so you need to realize that you cannot put your trust in man.

01:39:11.720 Definitely don't put your trust in somebody that's claiming to be better than you because,

01:39:15.200 because that's, you already know, that's a lie.

01:39:17.200 Like we're all, we're all created in a way that is like, I believe we're created equal.

01:39:21.820 I believe, yes, some people are smarter than others.

01:39:24.020 Some people have better physical skills than others, but we all have a purpose.

01:39:28.480 Every single one of us has a purpose and we all, uh, are either going to lord it over

01:39:33.780 people or we're going to help other people.

01:39:35.740 And like, that's the, the way to decipher what is their, what are their fruits are, you

01:39:41.420 know, the fruits of the spirit of love, joy, peace, happiness, long suffering, gentleness,

01:39:45.060 kindness, all of these things that like, it's pretty easy to see.

01:39:49.000 Does that person have those things or are they trying to be prideful?

01:39:52.660 Are they arrogant?

01:39:53.880 Are they cheating?

01:39:55.020 Are they, uh, you know, who knows?

01:39:57.680 Like, are they hateful?

01:39:58.700 Are they angry?

01:39:59.920 Like if they're all those things, then you can already know like what they are, but churches

01:40:03.780 have all those people.

01:40:05.000 They have all the elements.

01:40:06.340 They have beautiful people and they have evil people like straight up evil.

01:40:10.120 You're going to find more evil people in a church than you will.

01:40:13.120 Uh, you were talking about the music industry.

01:40:14.580 I was in the, kind of in the, pretty much in the music industry to the point to where

01:40:18.480 even at the, at the Christian industry, like I was, I had, we booked shows with all of

01:40:23.320 the big people, saw all the big bands.

01:40:25.280 So like I had to deal with the managers and all that.

01:40:28.280 There's evil there.

01:40:29.140 It's like easy to see once you get there, you're like, okay, like there's freaking evil

01:40:34.020 here.

01:40:34.260 Like, okay, these guys, like every manager of all these bands, they all were, um, deviants

01:40:39.740 in their own way.

01:40:40.540 Um, in the church, it's not so obvious.

01:40:44.000 In fact, it's going to be less obvious one big time, less obvious.

01:40:48.220 They're not going to show you that because they want to be a wolf in sheep clothing.

01:40:52.000 So beware as long as beware, but also know that there are good people there that you can

01:40:57.580 make lifelong connections with.

01:40:59.120 Um, I, I travel a lot.

01:41:01.680 Like I'm always, I'm trying to reach out to a lot of people.

01:41:04.040 Like my goal right now is to go and just go as far as I can go without being corrupting

01:41:10.100 myself.

01:41:10.520 You know, we'll go as far as I can go to talk to different people without corrupting

01:41:14.740 myself.

01:41:15.120 Even if it means going, uh, who knows?

01:41:18.040 I mean, I don't, I just, I say yes, you know, like somebody's like, Hey, can you come

01:41:21.160 out this way?

01:41:21.840 Sure.

01:41:22.360 Let's do it.

01:41:22.960 You know, I've gotten, and God's put me in contact with very, very high level people

01:41:27.740 because I would just say, yes, I'm just like, okay, I'll go and talk to these people.

01:41:32.480 But we have to keep in our mind that like, we have to be like military.

01:41:38.140 We have to be like military.

01:41:39.440 What's the goal?

01:41:40.780 What's the end goal?

01:41:41.800 Is this going to keep me away from the goal or is this going to put me in it?

01:41:45.780 You know, if I go to a big party where there's a lot of famous people at it, is it going

01:41:49.860 to, if I go off with some like chick and having an affair with my wife, is that going to put

01:41:56.180 me further on my path or is it going to take me further away?

01:42:00.100 I mean, that's, that's what it is.

01:42:01.500 It's like every decision along the way, you might get into a high position, but you look

01:42:05.780 at like Daniel Joseph, they didn't corrupt themselves.

01:42:08.280 They didn't compromise.

01:42:09.920 But at the end of the whole thing, they ended up very in a very good place.

01:42:14.300 It might not seem like you're going to end up a good place, but I do believe this man.

01:42:18.440 I, and I believe this for you guys.

01:42:19.760 You guys have got a lot of talent.

01:42:21.260 Like I've seen, I've seen a lot of your stuff.

01:42:23.020 You guys have got the comedy aspect.

01:42:25.060 You've also got just the general likability of what you do.

01:42:29.320 God's going to put you in high places and it's going to be up to you whether or not

01:42:33.460 you screw that up or not.

01:42:34.620 You know, just like it's going to be up to you.

01:42:37.680 So there, but the situation, he always gives us an out.

01:42:40.720 He always gives us a, a way to make that out.

01:42:43.560 It's just going to be up to you in the end, man.

01:42:45.280 And I think that for you guys, like I see you guys coming up and doing this.

01:42:49.200 And I think like, you know, I always look at people when they're coming up.

01:42:52.260 I'm like, are they going to do, are they going to be like Jesus?

01:42:54.820 Are they going to deny all the kingdoms of the world or are they going to accept it?

01:42:59.620 And then are, you know, then I see, you can see it, man.

01:43:02.280 You can see it over time.

01:43:03.400 You start looking and you, you know what to look for.

01:43:05.740 You see, okay, this person's accepted the, the lies of the devil.

01:43:10.220 Well, they've, they've done it and they've, they've sold themselves, even though if they

01:43:14.580 don't believe that they've done it, they've done it.

01:43:16.360 You can tell, you know, and, um, I just pray that I never do that.

01:43:20.400 I pray you guys never do that.

01:43:21.420 I pray that we always remain strong, but it's definitely important.

01:43:25.080 I don't even know what the question was now, but it's definitely important to trust people.

01:43:28.340 No, I mean, yeah, we have, yeah.

01:43:30.900 Listen, man, we, I haven't been doing this for that long, uh, but I have been in the

01:43:34.920 game for a long time.

01:43:36.280 And yeah, like I, David hasn't been in, in this level of the game that long either, but

01:43:40.400 we've, we've already seen it.

01:43:41.660 You see it a bunch of times it's been offered and like, it's been offered in a way where

01:43:46.300 it was like, I was like, yeah, no, like, you know, that was easy, but I'm always keen

01:43:50.160 on it's sneaky.

01:43:51.140 Sometimes it's not like an offering.

01:43:52.780 It's like, um, it's never, it's never like here, sign this contract, you know?

01:43:56.500 Yeah.

01:43:56.660 It looks like a blessing sometimes.

01:43:58.740 Yes.

01:43:59.060 Yeah.

01:43:59.240 Like, Oh, a thing that if you keep saying it and you don't check this idea, you can

01:44:04.760 ride this wave someplace.

01:44:06.240 And is that thing the truth or is it, uh, resonating with people that can help you be successful?

01:44:11.600 And we've tossed that to the side.

01:44:13.120 We've been like, Oh wait, that's not true.

01:44:14.740 Yeah.

01:44:15.260 But we could have kept taking that and, and, and, you know, been whatever.

01:44:18.740 Um, yeah, it's, I'm, I'm waiting.

01:44:21.280 I'm keenly aware of that next, like the next thing, because listen, I don't care how good

01:44:26.640 you are that great deception that's coming for everybody.

01:44:29.880 Even if you, we could read the Bible all day long.

01:44:32.020 I have, I have a strong feeling that when that thing comes, it's going to be hard to

01:44:35.360 see through, especially even for somebody with good discernment.

01:44:38.420 So I'm just always watching.

01:44:39.920 I'm like, what's that next thing, man?

01:44:40.960 And when am I going to fall off?

01:44:42.440 And when I do, hopefully somebody in the chat or someone makes, you make, make fun of me.

01:44:46.360 Make fun of me.

01:44:46.740 Yeah.

01:44:47.100 Because I fell off.

01:44:48.040 I have a keen awareness that I ain't shit.

01:44:51.360 And the only reason I get to do what I do is because of God.

01:44:54.720 That's really it.

01:44:55.520 Because I, I will always remember that I tried for a long time without being oriented

01:44:59.920 towards God with zero success, zero success.

01:45:03.540 And it was only God made me put me through my, my fires and you know, my tribulations.

01:45:07.720 And then once I realized, once I started pursuing him, then I was allowed to have whatever success

01:45:15.540 I'm having right now.

01:45:16.880 And so it's all, all the glory in any of my successes is due to God, because I did the

01:45:21.700 same thing, you know, on my own with, with zero success.

01:45:25.520 Um, I, I, I want to respect God showing that's God showing he loves you too, because like the

01:45:31.580 same, the same with anybody, I think that is meant for this.

01:45:34.380 They're going to, they have all the tools in the world.

01:45:37.380 Like you have all the tools to be famous and do whatever you want to do, but God suppresses

01:45:41.420 that on purpose.

01:45:42.000 And I'm so thankful for him to do it in my life too.

01:45:44.680 Yeah.

01:45:45.500 He, yeah, dude, he suppressed the shit out of me.

01:45:48.260 Well, even, even in my, like the story David told, I feel like we're going to keep, I don't

01:45:53.480 want to keep too long.

01:45:54.220 Um, but yeah, the lady said, you're going to do X, Y, Z.

01:45:57.880 And at the time, obviously I had no, I was not doing anything like this.

01:46:01.160 And I was actually getting kicked out of the church that I was at.

01:46:03.480 I was playing guitar there and, and helping lead the worship.

01:46:06.820 And I was just like, yeah, whatever lady, I'm out.

01:46:09.220 Like, I'm still playing here, but my, my mind, my body's here now.

01:46:12.860 My mind is out.

01:46:13.700 And then I left the church and everything in my intention was to do the opposite.

01:46:17.600 Like, I'm not doing that.

01:46:19.100 Whatever she, it always like in my head.

01:46:20.640 And I was like, there's just no way I'm not getting on a path to do that.

01:46:24.060 And kicking and screaming.

01:46:25.780 I'll show you lady.

01:46:26.600 How dare you prophesy over me?

01:46:27.900 It does show the patience of God because like, that could have been like, dude, this

01:46:31.360 is a blessing and that could have just been given to anybody else.

01:46:33.900 Yeah.

01:46:34.180 But he's like, nah, nah, I'm going to wait.

01:46:35.700 He's like, I know you're stupid, but I'll wait because I, I guess I, I wanted you to

01:46:40.900 do the thing, whatever we're doing here.

01:46:42.920 I don't know.

01:46:43.320 Well, that's it.

01:46:43.920 It's, it's thank God he didn't let me do this when I was dumber than I am right now.

01:46:47.580 But I was, I was telling him, I don't want it.

01:46:50.300 And I'm actually actively going against it.

01:46:52.720 And still he's like, you don't really know what you're saying.

01:46:56.680 So we're going to be patient.

01:46:58.440 And here we are today.

01:47:00.100 I think, well, it's on, it's on, it's on God's time.

01:47:02.200 We got one more question for you.

01:47:03.320 Well, I have two.

01:47:04.320 They're both kind of silly and they're both short.

01:47:06.380 We're going to have to pay him overtime, but I got to ask, cause John Galt, the Baptist

01:47:10.060 in the chat said, um, are we as Christians going to have to slay giants and Nephilim someday

01:47:17.780 soon?

01:47:18.260 And I know what he's alluding to, it's like this thinning of the veil.

01:47:22.180 Um, you know, I just wanted to get your thoughts on that.

01:47:24.760 Are we going to possibly have a time where like, you know, as the days of Noah, these

01:47:28.180 things are back upon the earth giants, hybrids, whatever.

01:47:31.300 I mean, is that too, is that too far gone for you, John?

01:47:35.900 No, it's not too far gone for me.

01:47:37.560 I mean, I think that we're going to experience something crazy that we don't know what to,

01:47:41.340 how to fathom what we were talking about earlier.

01:47:43.080 Like there's going to be some kind of disclosure.

01:47:44.820 And then I think, man, and this is my, I think they're going to start genetically altering

01:47:53.940 people.

01:47:54.260 You know what I mean?

01:47:54.880 Like things are going to weird crap is going to happen.

01:47:57.060 I believe that, uh, whether we're going to slay them or not, I don't know.

01:48:00.460 I mean, I hope to be ready for that moment.

01:48:02.260 If that's true, I would love to be a part of, I'd love to be a part of like the, the

01:48:06.740 Nephilim slayer team.

01:48:07.840 I love the idea of it, you know, like what Nephilim death squad, that'd be cool to, to have a

01:48:13.060 hatchet or whatever it is.

01:48:14.300 And God gives me the power to do it.

01:48:16.080 I don't know.

01:48:16.580 I mean, that would be cool, but I'd, you know, maybe, uh, sometimes Nephilim look different

01:48:22.440 than what we might think.

01:48:23.460 Maybe there, you know, maybe there's more to this than we understand.

01:48:27.360 But, uh, if there is a Nephilim death squad, like, you know, the, I mean, obviously other

01:48:31.920 than your guys' podcast, if there is a real life, like Nephilim hunters club, uh, I hope

01:48:37.880 to be a part of it.

01:48:38.700 So that'd be awesome.

01:48:40.500 I would hope that God at least lets us take a crack at it.

01:48:43.040 When the communications go down and the lines go dark, the 10 days of darkness, the Nephilim

01:48:47.100 death squad will be meeting at the standard coffee shop.

01:48:49.720 It's called the standard coffee shop because it's the standard bearer.

01:48:52.660 This is where the army regroups and we're going to meet right back there in the library.

01:48:55.940 That's actually a good, I, I agree with saying that, by the way, that's been on my mind lately.

01:48:59.540 We'll all get killed by Nephilim giants.

01:49:01.600 Uh, final question, John, this is the last question.

01:49:04.000 This is something we like to ask our guests, um, as we, you know, bring this down for a

01:49:07.940 close and everything that you're doing 10 years, right.

01:49:10.340 You've been doing this.

01:49:11.100 You've got, uh, you know, you've, you've now got a different way and, and, and you're exploring

01:49:15.720 it, you know, this phenomenon through different lenses.

01:49:18.380 And I mean, you're still, it's a decade in, in the fight, right.

01:49:23.300 In the great commission, making disciples of men.

01:49:25.820 More than that, like more, like 15, right.

01:49:27.440 So, um, are you having fun in 2010?

01:49:33.120 I'm loving it, man.

01:49:34.060 Like I, you know, there's, it's weird because it's such a weird feeling because you look at

01:49:40.780 it and you're like, man, I'm going up against the powers that be like literally going up

01:49:46.720 against spiritual powers.

01:49:47.840 And there's been so many things over the years that are attacks that I've witnessed things

01:49:55.240 that I've attacks on my own mind, even maybe not just from other people, but even things

01:49:59.700 that come from me that I'm like, you know, so enveloped in and, and just so many weird

01:50:06.040 paths that I've taken.

01:50:07.200 I've met so many, like so many people that I'm like, I got to pinch myself.

01:50:11.380 Am I, is this real?

01:50:13.220 Like, am I going through this or am I not?

01:50:16.140 God has shaped the path for me that I never could have dreamed up.

01:50:19.960 You know, I really not just, I just, I don't want to just tell you about my path, but I want

01:50:25.200 to encourage people.

01:50:26.260 You know, I told myself I'd never, I'm going to go to the middle East.

01:50:29.280 I'm never going to, to go out here and do this, what I'm doing, because I don't want,

01:50:34.740 I don't want this to happen.

01:50:35.720 I don't want that to happen.

01:50:36.640 And, and I, the thought, the idea of doing it was like horrifying to me, but God changed

01:50:43.400 my heart so much that now I'm like, I love this.

01:50:46.120 Like, I want to go and do this.

01:50:49.580 I'm not scared to put myself on the line.

01:50:51.380 I'm not, I'm not afraid to speak about these things.

01:50:56.020 And people think I'm crazy.

01:50:57.740 Like, I used to think that like, I was afraid, I was afraid because I was like, people are

01:51:01.600 going to think I'm nuts.

01:51:02.320 Like, I already think I'm nuts.

01:51:03.680 Like, I already look at my stuff and think this is crazy.

01:51:06.180 Like if I wasn't a, if I didn't experience these things, I would think this guy has lost

01:51:10.500 his mind, but God, yet he gave me this desire to do it.

01:51:15.240 And not only to take what people say and use it, but to thrive off of it.

01:51:21.420 Like the negativity, like I literally enjoy it for some reason or another.

01:51:26.000 So it's so strange.

01:51:27.280 But like when people talk negatively about me, like, I just feel good.

01:51:31.300 I feel good.

01:51:31.920 Like, I'm like, man, like, this is really, really cool because this means I'm impacting

01:51:36.140 somebody because when you don't impact people, nobody says anything about you.

01:51:40.620 Nobody says it's a bad thing.

01:51:44.400 It's like, there's people that are affected by it so much that they have to do what they

01:51:49.840 can to battle against you.

01:51:51.580 There's people that hate you so much that they're pushing, they're slandering you.

01:51:56.800 They're mad at you.

01:51:58.740 They can't even get their mind off of you because you are doing something.

01:52:04.160 Like, so I, like, I take that stuff and I, and I use it, use it.

01:52:08.620 And I love it for some reason.

01:52:09.860 It's like a, it's like a weird thing.

01:52:12.720 It's not like, I'm like, oh yes, like people are mad.

01:52:15.060 It's like, okay, I'm doing something.

01:52:16.760 Like I'm doing something.

01:52:17.860 The spiritual forces are pushing back.

01:52:20.260 They're fighting back and they're, there's a problem in the spirit realm because of what

01:52:25.460 I'm doing.

01:52:26.360 And, you know, there's a lot of people that I, that I regret maybe sometimes going against,

01:52:30.380 like, it was like, I was being stupid when I had an argument against this person.

01:52:37.500 Because ultimately it's, it's just a person who cares what they had to say.

01:52:43.380 Like they might, I might, I disagree with them.

01:52:45.020 I disagreed with them.

01:52:45.900 Big freaking deal.

01:52:46.820 Like I could have been wrong and they could be wrong.

01:52:48.540 But ultimately they're just a human, but like trying to settle on things that are higher

01:52:54.000 is, is really important.

01:52:55.280 Well, remind me again, what the question was, dude, I'm so sorry.

01:52:58.100 I'm, I'm like, are you having fun?

01:53:00.840 You sound like you're having fun, dude.

01:53:02.360 I, yeah, I'm having fun.

01:53:03.420 I'm having fun.

01:53:04.460 Yeah.

01:53:04.620 I'm having fun.

01:53:07.440 I enjoy it.

01:53:08.320 And like, there's times when I get nervous because I have five children.

01:53:12.200 I mean, I have five children.

01:53:13.860 I have a wife.

01:53:14.560 Um, I have things, but like, I have to remember, I have to always keep in mind, like it's temporary.

01:53:21.420 Even if they take everything I have away from me, ultimately it's temporary.

01:53:27.840 It's like, I, and like, I think part of, part of that mindset is because I know, like, I don't,

01:53:34.700 and I didn't really understand this until I started doing like fight training, training and fighting.

01:53:39.440 And that's what I think every man should do, by the way, like, I think every man should train

01:53:43.460 himself in the art of fighting and get into fights.

01:53:46.720 Like not like get yourself arrested, but like put yourself in those situations because you

01:53:51.820 learn through those situations that even though something is going to suck, like you might

01:53:56.440 literally have somebody on your face, sweat pouring down your nose from them, suffocating

01:54:02.200 you, but if you can wait it out long enough, there's a chance that in the end, you're going

01:54:08.540 to rise up over this.

01:54:09.860 You know, like if you can be patient, if you can sit and you can understand that like, this

01:54:14.920 is part of life, this is what I'm going to go through.

01:54:17.480 Then you're going to be fine.

01:54:18.780 Everybody goes through death.

01:54:20.840 Everybody goes through trauma.

01:54:22.440 Everybody loses people they love.

01:54:24.620 That's part of life.

01:54:25.620 Don't let the enemy use that against you to do this.

01:54:28.700 Have fun doing it.

01:54:29.720 Enjoy it.

01:54:30.400 And Jesus said, I think Jesus was, you know, at the very end, he's like, I let this cup

01:54:34.580 pass from me.

01:54:35.080 I don't want to do this because he knew it was going to be physical trauma, but he also

01:54:41.000 told Peter, get behind me, Satan, because he knew he had to do it.

01:54:44.280 He knew he had to do it.

01:54:45.400 Just like you guys, you know, you got to do it.

01:54:47.380 You know, you're sure made for, you know, you're not made to sit on your ass and watch

01:54:53.860 TV and play around and, you know, do that and watch football and just live a normal

01:54:59.720 over your life.

01:55:00.220 You know, you're not, you know, it deep down inside, you know, you were made for something

01:55:03.840 amazing.

01:55:04.340 You know, it like everybody knows it.

01:55:06.600 Like, I mean, I don't think I'm different than anybody else.

01:55:08.820 I know it.

01:55:09.640 I've known it since I was a child that I've made for something different than what this

01:55:14.220 world has to offer.

01:55:15.220 And if you feel that, then are you going to have fun and do it?

01:55:18.400 Are you going to sit and be afraid, afraid your whole life, trying to grab onto things

01:55:21.940 you can't control anyway, trying to hold onto things that have wings that can fly away?

01:55:26.380 Or are you going to do it?

01:55:27.200 Like, yes, I'm having fun and you should too.

01:55:29.220 Everybody watching, whatever it is, it's not, you don't have to be a podcaster.

01:55:32.340 That's just one aspect.

01:55:33.660 I mean, there's like so many ways you can impact people.

01:55:36.540 There's been people that have impacted me that they're the reason that thousands of people

01:55:41.340 are impacted or millions of people have been impacted.

01:55:44.020 One person did something that had impacted me in a way that caused me to do this.

01:55:50.020 Other people have impacted me in a way to do this.

01:55:52.060 I mean, you can be the impact of one person and change millions of people's lives.

01:55:56.300 And that's the thing that I want people to get through.

01:55:58.560 The Bible says we're a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people that live in

01:56:04.400 that.

01:56:04.900 Forget all this other crap that says you're a horrible, indecent human being and you're

01:56:09.860 supposed to be poor and you're supposed to live like a trollop your whole life.

01:56:14.520 Live like a king.

01:56:15.380 Live like Jesus.

01:56:16.740 Go out and have people, thousands of people wondering what the heck's going on.

01:56:20.360 Go out and feed people, go out and help people, go out and be a light.

01:56:26.120 Then you can have fun, kill you at the end of it.

01:56:27.980 Who cares?

01:56:28.580 You're going to rise up.

01:56:29.740 There's nothing they can do to stop you.

01:56:32.160 Amen, brother.

01:56:33.180 Amen.

01:56:34.300 Powerful John Pounders.

01:56:35.520 Let's go, man.

01:56:36.840 Let's go.

01:56:37.780 Guys, you can catch him at NowUCTV, Pounders Quest.

01:56:42.540 Please go give him a follow.

01:56:44.480 He's better than us.

01:56:46.040 Go get yourself a pounder.

01:56:47.420 Thank you.

01:56:50.720 Thank you for your time, man.

01:56:51.780 This is an incredible episode.

01:56:54.360 Blessed that you spend two hours with us.

01:56:57.060 Any final words before we take you out?

01:57:01.360 Just like I said, man, live your purpose.

01:57:04.680 Don't let anything stop you.

01:57:05.980 Don't let the fear of man stop you.

01:57:07.840 People make fun of you.

01:57:08.760 Who cares?

01:57:09.360 Let them make fun of you because the only reason they're making fun of you is because

01:57:12.320 they don't have the guts to do it themselves.

01:57:15.440 Forget all the naysayers.

01:57:18.260 Man, God, when he's got a plan for you, there may be a lot of mishaps along the way, but you

01:57:23.700 have to have those two in order to succeed.

01:57:26.720 You know, you could fail a thousand times, but one time, all it takes is one time.

01:57:32.480 Like you get up and you do it and you succeeded.

01:57:34.660 All of those thousand times don't matter anymore.

01:57:36.920 People forget about that.

01:57:39.060 Forget about all of the stuff that the world tries to do to harbor you down.

01:57:43.060 Like forget about that and just go straight for your purpose, straight for the king of

01:57:47.860 the world.

01:57:48.560 He's the real king of the world.

01:57:51.580 Everything else is physical that tries to harbor you.

01:57:54.620 And I've said that like 20 times, but man, I can't get that through to people enough.

01:57:58.820 Forget the boundaries that you think you have and just move forward and move forward in

01:58:05.160 power.

01:58:05.540 No fear.

01:58:07.040 That's it.

01:58:08.700 Bang.

01:58:09.120 And also, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

01:58:13.680 We'll see you later.

01:58:14.360 They bred with daughters of men and they will do it again.

01:58:24.520 The end is written in the book, in the pages they foreseen.

01:58:35.540 When the last trumpet sounds.

01:58:58.060 And the heavens.

01:58:58.620 Thank you.

Nephilim Death Squad - February 21, 2026

Pounders Quest w⧸ Jon Pounders

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