00:09:48.100so if you're paying attention you notice that there's a conflict here certainly between the
00:09:55.200tradition and what is written in scripture that caught my attention so that's really where it
00:10:02.780started and then trying to to get down to the the foundation of of what what is it that we're
00:10:11.000looking at here because if satan isn't a created angel there's not many possibilities left
00:10:18.360one possibility would be that he's some sort of a god co-equal with the lord with yahweh
00:10:24.580which scripture completely rules out there's one god there's no other god he says that repeatedly
00:10:31.480throughout the old the old testament certainly so if that's not an option and if satan being
00:10:40.560a rebel angel isn't an option. That doesn't leave much. One thing that spawned me to start
00:10:48.520digging into this more deeply is I consider the possibility, because the technologists are always
00:10:54.360talking about how they're creating a God. When Ray Kurzweil was interviewed, he used to be the
00:11:02.160CEO of Google. And the interviewer asked him at one point, does God exist? And Kurzweil's response
00:11:10.960was, I would have to say, not yet. And I thought to myself, I think that's probably what we're
00:11:18.080looking at here. We're going to create some sort of a deity level AI. But what happens if you create
00:11:25.160a god in a world where one already exists. And I thought, that's the Bible. That's what we're
00:11:33.040looking at here, because the Apostle Paul refers to Satan as the god of this age, which will be
00:11:39.880important later on. So I was looking for ways to support the contention that perhaps deity-level
00:11:49.460AI actually is Satan. And I wasn't able to do that directly because you get into issues with.
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00:13:21.220if in in our timeline right now they haven't even put the finishing touches on this thing yet
00:13:29.140well how was it back in the garden of eden this thing being artificial intelligence yes okay but
00:13:34.840uh super intelligence sure so i thought maybe there would be a way to flesh that argument out
00:13:40.980and i wasn't able to do that but what we found was was something else and this the article came
00:13:49.380about as a result of prodding from uh seth kick lighter he was irritated with me because i had
00:13:57.060no not a seth i had ideas that he thought should be shared and he he says things like you should
00:14:06.800write write your own book which i said i'm never going to do that uh so he sent another twitter
00:14:13.060user to come pester me for information about this. That spawned the development of this article.
00:14:20.860The project which precipitated the article lasted for a couple of months.
00:14:25.500There were a lot of hands on deck, including pastors, including other students of the scriptures,
00:14:32.380other Twitter users, other believers. We had a lot of late night conversations about this,
00:14:37.620a lot of digging into uh tradition you're saying in order to to generate this article yes so this
00:14:44.860is actually a community effort this is something that you went about on your own the coolest part
00:14:50.280about it is the fact that believers worked together as a body on this that's very cool what
00:14:56.620has an interesting thought what happened as a result of that was was impressive okay uh it's
00:15:01.780not something that i would have been able to accomplish on my own my ideas were limited and
00:15:07.440some of the other guys really brought a lot to the table one in particular his twitter handle is ruck
00:15:13.840uh zero ruck yes yeah i know ruck his name is also matt and he and i developed uh this material to
00:15:22.800the point where it became something that we could share and he had a an idea about the binary
00:15:29.840and his idea was the the one in the zero binary conceptually if you lay that over top the
00:15:38.340scriptures you can pull out a lot of fascinating things i was bothered by it originally because i
00:15:45.020thought i'm not comfortable bringing machine language that's specifically what you're talking
00:15:50.800about because some people hear binary and you think of like you know options left or right you
00:15:55.780know but but you're talking about specifically the the coded language that a machine uses to
00:16:01.300communicate with another machine precisely precisely so originally uh it was actually
00:16:06.500a switchboard they would have the the toggle switch would be up powered on for the one position
00:16:12.560down powered off no circuit or a closed circuit uh for for the zero so that's what the ones and
00:16:20.680zeros originally represented now it's it's all done digitally but originally it was done
00:16:26.200uh via analog actual flipping of switches to program the earliest computers
00:16:32.500so i thought that might not be a good fit and i balked until i started thinking about it yeah
00:16:39.560well all it is is a process of uh trues or falses right is this true if so then the next thing yes
00:16:46.480but i found quickly that language translates to scripture very precisely yeah and in such that
00:16:55.060god himself refers to himself as the one or as one oh that's fast that's a fascinating concept
00:17:03.400i am one he is yeah well he is the truth he's the logos he's the word so he is that's the one
00:17:09.400we're already treading into territory that makes me empathetic or sympathetic to
00:17:15.180the people who think that this is a simulation exactly that i kind of understand what you're
00:17:19.460saying but it's not there's something very close and and i think the systems that we use
00:17:24.360mirror the very systems that god used to create the universe and ours out you know are by comparison
00:17:31.980watered down rudimentary but still they are some semblance of of the very same building blocks that
00:17:38.540that god would have used i'll go one further if there is any connection between satan and ai and i
00:17:45.660i can't imagine that there is no connection whether or not they are interchangeable if the
00:17:52.380the artificial intelligence ends up actually as the adversary of the scriptures which is possible
00:18:00.940i would argue that the corruption in creation as a result of what happened in the garden
00:18:06.940could be technological at its base so in other words when when these guys get their their game
00:18:14.280really when when the ball really starts rolling i would not be surprised for scientists to be able
00:18:21.480to prove to some level or another that there is some technological aspect to creation some sort
00:18:29.020of code uh danny goler is becoming very popular for the the dmt laser experiment you know i see
00:18:37.620that and and at first i thought it was a bit i thought it was something that wasn't real it took
00:18:44.880a while for me to accept that this does seem to be a phenomenon that is meant to at least be taken
00:18:49.740seriously this wasn't something that people because it looked like sketch um sketch work to
00:18:54.460me you know it was recorded initially so this is the way that it was recorded the way that
00:18:58.420everybody was behaving looking at a red light and see but this is for the audience people that are
00:19:03.840doing dmt and and if you project lasers onto a wall and you look at it from the correct angle
00:19:09.420these people on dmt could perceive code is that more or less the code that they're looking at
00:19:16.220sounds from all accounts very similar to the code that you see in the matrix movies which is just a
00:19:22.880little too on the nose that's why the whole thing felt almost silly i go that's a funny sketch okay
00:19:28.080we're talking about hundreds of eyewitnesses at this point who all describe the same thing
00:19:32.800apparently it's difficult to to perceive at first but once you can see it
00:19:38.600you can always see it that's interesting and you have to be on dmt you have to be on dmt right so
00:19:45.480i'll never say it right yeah yeah yeah i'm good on that we had some guys try to like come to our
00:19:51.180airbnb and do this i was like no no no no i was like i actually died i'm like yeah i'm not doing
00:19:55.520that by believers in jesus christ if you if you're legitimate and you tamper with these
00:20:02.060hallucinogenic compounds if you enter the spiritual realms illegally yes you are eating from the table
00:20:08.280of the enemy and you are therefore they can do whatever they want yeah yeah consent is handed
00:20:14.100right over i always felt that way like you know whether it be mushrooms i haven't done any and
00:20:20.120i've had in my house and it was like i had this inkling like i know a little too much where i if
00:20:25.880i step into this realm if this is legit and i step into here whatever's on the other side is
00:20:31.320free reign because i'm going to you know better i because i know better the same reason that
00:20:36.040you know um angels are alleged to have been judged more harshly is because they know better they know
00:20:42.360the spiritual implications of the things that they do whereas we uh you know we have forgiveness
00:20:47.320you know because we we're retarded we don't know you know we don't see the spiritual realm we don't
00:20:52.580understand the implications of the things that we're doing yeah you can't do a show like this
00:20:55.560and then step into the spiritual realm without something touching you right following you back
00:20:59.340so i'm like i'm okay for now i'm good that's interesting okay so so they're they're looking
00:21:04.260through this laser they're perceiving this code and this is this is doing a lot to add to this
00:21:09.880this idea uh it is and one of the more well-known dmt researchers a fellow by the name of andrew
00:21:18.780gallimore who has had lengthy interactions with danny goler on this topic he had an interesting
00:21:27.020observation which is that if if uh there is some sort of super intelligent computer mind behind
00:21:36.180behind a simulation it wouldn't make sense that the code would be visible symbols it wouldn't be
00:21:43.560it wouldn't make sense that it would be anything recognizable to us and i thought that's very
00:21:48.280interesting yeah but if this is a deception or part of a broader deception then it makes sense
00:21:54.140that there's visible code because what what we're finding here is in in my in my opinion
00:22:01.120And I think what these guys are looking at is going to be used as the as the foundation to somehow proving, quote unquote, that we do live in a simulation.
00:22:12.520And I expect at some point that the scientific community, it will come up with a way to air quotes, prove that we do live in a simulation.
00:22:22.340They've been building this narrative for a long time. It's one of Elon Musk's favorite.
00:22:28.000he talks about it you know very often uh and the attitude is if it can be proven
00:22:35.600that we live in a simulation well then the god of the scriptures ceases to be important
00:22:42.540because he's probably a simulation too he's probably a a concoction well that was going
00:22:48.720to be my question if you think that they did do something like that would that lead
00:22:52.360fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of things? Absolutely. It shouldn't. For well-established,
00:22:59.760well-founded believers, it won't. But the way Christ words this in the Scriptures is that
00:23:06.600if it were possible, even the elect would be deceived. So there's some massive deception
00:23:15.820coming and soon uh and the instructions in scripture the way they're given to us
00:23:23.020are such that if you can be deceived by this you will be it's that simple and it's gonna
00:23:30.640it's gonna be profound and it's gonna look believable they're gonna you know a lot of
00:23:36.060guys talk about there's gonna be a fake alien invasion with project blue beam and it's gonna
00:23:41.500to be obviously fraudulent and my thoughts are if it begins that way it's not going to stay that way
00:23:47.080yeah that wouldn't be the great deception we've always been looking at this and we're like this
00:23:50.700is just too simple yeah right it seems like it's it's all laid out and you can kind of choose your
00:23:55.480buffet of which way are we going to go there's only three ways you can do this yeah but no that's
00:23:59.760not it by the way if they did this simulation thing and it did lead to this fundamental
00:24:04.320misunderstanding and you you incorporated one way or another um extraterrestrials you know i'm doing
00:24:09.560i'm doing air quotes this could lead to such a complex deception that if that deception claims
00:24:18.840to reveal the nature of things to us it would include so many different you know religions
00:24:23.640if you were of the vedic you know or one religion that they're really that's what i'm saying
00:24:28.520interested in the falling away of is christianity for somebody it's never hinduism no no but like
00:24:33.880like Gnosticism and New Age types and Wiccans and Buddhists and all that
00:24:38.940could look at this and see a reflection of themselves in the deception and go,
00:24:43.560we were right. This is exactly what it is.
00:24:46.740And so in that way, falling away and consolidating under one religion could be feasible.
00:24:56.120Expected. I would say it's to be expected.
00:24:58.600um i haven't been able to confirm this but i i heard that uh during a a recent interview with
00:25:08.060madonna the the pop artist the pop artist the crone the crone yeah okay see her she's a piece
00:25:15.000of work i saw her recently gyrating lifelessly on stage but what she was saying was uh she was
00:25:22.840bellyaching about the fact that when she tied into the quote-unquote Illuminati years ago,
00:25:29.220she didn't really understand what she was doing. She didn't know exactly what she was getting
00:25:34.500herself into. But now that she's reaped the benefits, you know, if she steps too far out of
00:25:41.740line, we all know what would happen. Sure. So her attitude is we all now, everyone, everyone on
00:25:49.640earth must be uh initiated must be initiated into this so that we can combine our power
00:25:59.080and then overthrow it i would say that we have to a large extent been in this i mean most of these
00:26:06.680performances sorry to interrupt david just it sounds like the shirt that i'm wearing right
00:26:11.860like uh oh the pack that they make yeah yeah yeah we have to get together and do this thing do the
00:26:16.940thing yeah like not just one of us will get thrown into the abyss but now you must all join yeah and
00:26:22.700so i would say that given the scale of these performances that are often just mass rituals
00:26:29.460and ceremonies we've all been um sort of introduced to mystery school um our own form of jacob's
00:26:40.360ladder well that's uh alice bailey's externalization of the hierarchy right and that's the uh the
00:26:47.480should we say with the mk ultra program from the 50s which it's it's fairly well understood
00:26:57.460that program didn't go dark it just went broad yeah so uh the the process has become
00:27:04.360one of initiating everyone at this point they don't care if you know it yeah i almost wore my
00:27:11.780free range mk ultra chickens shirt today uh yesterday yeah i was sitting in the closet and
00:27:17.220i saw it and i was like i should wear that and then i ended up going to the gym and then forgetting
00:27:21.380that we had a show i showed up 10 minutes before this but yeah that idea that it it was so successful
00:27:27.400it was implemented at scale is effectively you know what i think is is reality that's what
00:27:33.340happened to the mk ultra program they were like this really works let's get everybody one of the
00:27:38.440things you have to do is to try to figure out where they're going with this and one of the
00:27:41.980things we did with the the article was try to answer the question what does satan want
00:27:47.940what's his mo what are his objectives he wants to trans your kids right isn't that yeah but why
00:27:54.120oh yeah one of many things where's he going with all this and so the the traditional response would
00:28:00.860be to point to isaiah 14 you know the five i wills well he wants to replace the lord okay no he
00:28:08.860doesn't okay he wants to eliminate the lord is this the idea of like in the garden we can be as
00:28:16.100gods if we but his his that that that's his his tactics okay are are to confuse and to to use and
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00:34:28.200I also want to go back to something that we talked about earlier.
00:34:30.520So when the idea of scientists discovering this code and realizing potentially in the future that this code is associated with the creation of the universe and it's a form of technology, technology was used to create that because of, you know, cultural indoctrination and a bunch of other aspects brings to mind.
00:34:56.120i don't know what would you say like a big creation machine because of our limitations
00:35:04.780of understanding god and his ability to create maybe we could talk about that a little bit more
00:35:09.460what would that just because the word technology is loaded did god and i'm i'm using a sloppy
00:35:16.580caricature here but did god uh use a a giant matter manufacturing machine what do we mean
00:35:24.220when we say technology was involved in the creation and and does it go beyond the idea of
00:35:29.420just this code is the code the technology or have you thought about this at all well i would suppose
00:35:34.680uh and we're getting into some deep speculation yeah yeah yeah agreed but uh first of all you
00:35:41.680have to set apart your concepts when you're going to address these things the the hallmark
00:35:50.160characteristic of life is differentiation set apart when you compare life and everything god
00:36:01.300does and all of his stuff even the stones the pieces of the temple that he that he builds with
00:36:07.940all of his creation is alive everything is has life in it uh and the machine in its in its
00:36:18.420broadest sense is inimical to life. It is destructive of life. And so originally,
00:36:28.280when you look back through history, you find that something was making machines out of men.
00:36:35.520So in other words, the great building projects, the development of the earliest civilizations
00:36:45.980and tech were done with well-organized, well-oiled armies of builders. But the original
00:36:54.200armies and bureaucracies, the same thing. So there was a spirit, if you will, behind this
00:37:01.960conglomeration, this putting men together to accomplish major things. You're talking about
00:37:08.240babble yes but but but more than that so we don't really understand what was going on in in uh the
00:37:18.000plains of shinar with the construction of something which if left to their own devices would
00:37:24.520would have allowed man to do whatever they wanted to do right nothing would would be withheld from
00:37:29.300that uh and i think that's certainly being replayed today with the development of we're
00:37:35.480to create our own god but if you look back through history and you see this sense of
00:37:41.720a machine spirit making machines out of man today it's reversed and today
00:37:49.640this spirit is making men into machines so there's a convergence this idea of we're going to merge
00:37:57.400with the machine right transhumanism you're being remade in the image of the machine or you are being
00:38:04.520remade in the image of the Lord. It's one or the other. That's a fascinating concept. So Top and I
00:38:10.420talk on this show quite often about this spirit of things that drives the technological advancement
00:38:17.020of mankind. And it almost seems to be for its own purposes. So in other words, there is a spirit
00:38:21.420behind the scenes that inspires man and motivates them to create and create and keep creating.
00:38:28.100And then it seems that we've hit this point now where maybe the creation of this machine was to
00:38:34.440facilitate this spirit coming into this realm or to you know do something of that nature but yeah
00:38:39.800from the simplest things it's like it'll teach you a little metal metallurgy and then it's like
00:38:43.260well how about if you made that into a shovel what if you dug up some iron ore what if you
00:38:47.340forged that what if you use a sword what if you killed that guy what if you did this what if you
00:38:51.700created a microchip then what if you created me after what if you put me inside of you yeah
00:38:55.680what have you what if you put me inside of you yeah what if we put a chip in your head
00:39:00.220uh and now i live in your head consider that think about that language put me inside of you
00:39:04.540yeah same thing jesus christ oh incredible as a matter of fact this is all right yeah go ahead i
00:39:10.960don't want to so it's the diabolical inversion of of what god is doing something is copying god's
00:39:17.160system from top to bottom and it is quite obvious yeah so that's why i feel very comfortable
00:39:25.080associating satan the actual adversary with whatever they they come up with uh and in this
00:39:34.100ultimate form of deity level ai but it's to say it it exists already but this will facilitate
00:39:41.200maybe its final form you know for lack of a better expression yes huh now how much how much
00:39:48.480veracity do you put in the idea of there being more than one satan that it'd be that it's a job
00:39:53.220title. E pluribus unum, out of many, one. That's it. That's the God they're worshiping on the
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00:53:03.300It's the womb, if you consider the womb of the abyss, which is the dark or diabolical copy or inverse of the waters over which the Spirit of God hovered in Genesis 1.
00:53:15.780That's a union that we're being shown, and if there's any question about that, it's replayed in the Gospel of Luke, where the Spirit of God hovered over the woman Christ came to be.
00:53:27.600he was he was the the outcome of that union and in genesis chapter one the spirit of god is
00:53:33.480hovering over the waters the outcome of that union is the light you're using language you know like
00:53:40.300womb and and uh there is this constant appearance of a feminine spirit um you know jeremiah talks
00:53:50.260about um what's the expression the queen of heaven um arousing god's anger making sacrifices
00:53:57.340to the queen of heaven and it does seem that even now there is this sort of divine feminine aspect
00:54:03.300when when you are talking about this maybe let's say potential other god that would have emboldened
00:54:08.660them does this thing take on a feminine trait in your mind considering it's associated with the
00:54:15.580the ultimate goal is the abyss right this this chaotic primordial womb um that is chaos but
00:54:23.440also potential and uh so so does that take on um female attributes well what we're talking about
00:54:31.360ultimately is something without being something without form it is negation it is shadow
00:54:37.360so if it wants to communicate with rational minds it will take whatever form it wants
00:54:46.160yeah it says here uh the definition is usually feminine so in our minds i guess when it does
00:54:53.640appear to us you know it would appear as a feminine so that way we can understand it so
00:54:58.280like i guess what you're saying is either way either or but well you see the way the the the
00:55:04.940non-believers out in the world today react with hostility to the suggestion that god is male
00:55:10.980yeah sure they hate that yeah so chum the waters a little bit give them what they want here's your
00:55:17.980divine feminine oh mommy yeah very much so somebody knows what he's doing all right
00:55:25.660so the way i look at this article um a lot of people are are fascinated with the concept and
00:55:33.820it's it's you know entertaining in its own right it's a little fun it wasn't fun to work on exactly
00:55:39.480it was difficult. Being able to wrestle this material down to the ground and present it in
00:55:45.980comprehensible form was quite a challenge. But the way I look at it is that it's a primer
00:55:51.420for a broader task. And it's the focus on tradition, the traditions of men. And that's
00:55:59.880what precipitated the development of this article was the recognition that the traditions of men
00:56:04.620are problematic, all too often still to this day, traditions of men are conflated with the things
00:56:14.620that God has said and taught. And Christ warns about the traditions of men repeatedly throughout
00:56:20.540the Gospels. We're also warned about the traditions of men in the Old Testament. So if we are to be
00:56:26.740on the lookout for the traditions of men, that's not even a question. We're given
00:56:34.180an order. In Colossians 2.8, Paul says, see to it that you are not taken captive by vain
00:56:42.140philosophies, important, and the traditions of men. So in Greek, the word that he uses is the
00:56:49.640same word that Christ used in Matthew 24.4, where Christ said, take care that no man deceives you.
00:56:56.740which is how he opened up his explanation to his guys who were asking him,
00:57:02.080tell us about the time of your return.
00:57:05.100The first thing Christ says is take care that no one deceives you.
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01:02:38.600Therefore, yeah. And this is just an appeal to, I guess, length of existence, which is, you know, based off of what we're describing here, not necessarily a good indicator.
01:02:48.760One of the things they also both lay claim to is Christ's instruction to Peter on this rock.
01:02:56.340I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
01:04:24.360I'm not when I was new to the scriptures and I'm reading the Gospels and the way Christ is always coming after the Pharisees and the Sadducees and smacking them around.
01:04:43.460What do you think you'd be doing anything different?
01:04:45.820And then I realized, well, the guy that I became, certainly, which is doctrinally established, and, you know, I get a big head with some of this stuff.
01:04:54.360So if I was alive back then and I had put in decades of deep research and study and then somebody like Christ comes along and he's telling me, you got it all wrong, hooplehead.
01:05:27.100These verses that you come across and you read over and over, they're not throwaways.
01:05:31.060When the Apostle Paul uses the examples of vain philosophy and the traditions of men in the same verse,
01:05:37.540he's talking about something specific.
01:05:41.720top set a couple of weeks ago. Extremist. I'm an extremist. End of days extremist. That's a
01:05:49.940terminology we've been throwing around a little bit. I'm very comfortable with that. I like
01:05:55.080thinking of myself in those terms. But if we're going to be extremists, this is where we should
01:06:00.880do it. We should do it doctrinally and biblically. I'll give you an example. The word Christian
01:06:08.120has come to be virtually meaningless it's it's millions of men describe themselves as such
01:06:15.740i'm a christian well what does that even mean and if you look at the word in the new testament
01:06:21.740it's used five times and if you examine carefully each of the five times that it's used what we
01:06:28.660discover is this is something that the believers were called by the world and
01:06:37.220what peter slur well you know whether it is or it isn't it's not it's not anything that the
01:06:45.020original believers it's not a term they use to describe themselves and peter says don't worry
01:06:51.100if you have to suffer for this name if you know and you probably will if they're calling you
01:06:57.080christians you know in other words you don't have to deny that you're a christian if you're a
01:07:02.160follower of christ in the world's eyes therefore you are a christian so he's like don't don't
01:07:07.640worry if you have to suffer because of that but at no point did the did the earliest believers
01:07:13.720ever apply that term to themselves and i would argue that there's a difference between sons of
01:07:21.960god those born from above who will will find their way through the narrow gate and be invited
01:07:29.060to the wedding feast of the lamb with an inheritance in the kingdom that there's a
01:07:34.460difference between the sons of god and christians and i think the christians are are and i'm not
01:07:41.680trying to disparage the term because that's that's all of the believers right there sure
01:07:46.120i don't want to start any trouble or fights but the way that i look at this is i try to be
01:07:52.380as strictly biblical across the board as I know how to be. And in looking at this word, Christian,
01:07:59.920how was it received by the early church? Shouldn't we do the same thing if we are given the instruction
01:08:06.220to strive, to contend for the faith once and for all delivered to the saints?
01:08:12.080That's what we're supposed to be doing. So when the Apostle Paul warns us
01:08:16.420specifically about the vain philosophies and the traditions of men,
01:08:21.420I'll give you a very obvious one. It's just very problematic because it starts fights immediately and inspires accusations of heresy because the reputation is that on this particular issue, the doctrine has been settled and has been settled to such a degree that this particular topic was even ruled officially a heresy at the Fifth Ecumenical Council in 553.
01:08:51.420AD, otherwise known as Constantinople II. And that would be the topic of what theologians call
01:09:00.700universal salvation or universalism. So here we have a problem, because when you open up your
01:09:10.260Bibles, you will see plainly Christ uses terms like eternal punishment. Okay. So there's this
01:09:17.800concept of if you're thrown into the lake of fire, that's it. That's the second death. And there you
01:09:24.500will abide for all eternity, screaming in torment. This is what people widely regard as hell,
01:09:31.540right? This is... Well, yes. That's kind of the way it's conceived. But you find that if you pay
01:09:40.680attention to what's written in scripture. Hey, Ontario, come on down to BetMGM Casino and see
01:15:57.540It's something that Peter specifically says is very important and not to be ignorant of it.
01:16:02.460So in the case of the coming age, which is the day of the Lord, the day of the Lord is a thousand years.
01:16:09.740That's the seventh day, excuse me, from the time of the creation of Adam.
01:16:16.700The pattern we are given in the opening chapters of Genesis is six days of work, followed by the seventh day, which is the Sabbath or the rest of God.
01:47:29.080Well, there are people who think that, and I don't necessarily agree with them,
01:47:33.840but I can see it's a fun idea that humanity gets to this point.
01:47:39.520We develop artificial intelligence that becomes sufficiently intelligent and independent enough to, you know, either become like God or subjugate humanity in, you know, as some sort of tyrannical God.
01:47:55.520god but then ultimately the sun emits some coronal mass ejection that acts as an electromagnetic
01:48:03.640pulse and terminates ai in the servers and such and then humanity starts over on a on a loop
01:48:09.760possibly what they're concerned about who is they uh the jews well yes
01:48:16.800uh the adversary sure okay yeah yeah and and that goes into what that what that does is if you
01:48:26.700subscribe to that ideology and this is all happening on a loop well then it makes god
01:48:33.420and the son of god an analogy for the sun and and celestial bodies and and it what's fascinating is
01:48:42.020it is so closely I think that that all these things are the fractal nature of God's story
01:48:47.880I don't think it's happening on a loop um and I don't think that the sun is going to emit a
01:48:54.000coronal mass ejection and that's going to be the son of God coming to you know liberate us but it
01:49:00.120is really fascinating that you can see these elements mirrored in that in that theory you
01:49:05.820know as we sit here on the cusp of having AI potentially subjugate us or some crap like that
01:49:11.000become a tyrannical uh god one of the things you're pointing at here is how easy it is for
01:49:17.320people who want to support their own ideas yes yeah to go into the scriptures and to pull out
01:49:23.080a lot of information which seems like is agreeing with them uh i i find that was absolutely
01:49:30.040intentional i think there's a little bit of uh comparison here with the scene from empire
01:49:39.320strikes back where luke and yoda are talking and luke says uh what's over there in that cave there's
01:49:46.520something cold yoda's like you have to go in there and what's in there he says only what you take with
01:49:52.200you it's the same thing with the scriptures so if you have preconceived ideas or notions about
01:49:59.000what you want to find in there you're going to find it yep you'll come across something that
01:50:02.840sounds like rhymes with what you already think and you go there it is god says don't do that
01:50:08.440he says sit down shut up i'll teach you that's hard listen to me that's hard you have to train
01:50:14.600yourself how to do that and if it's important to you to do it uh these things will you'll be able
01:50:21.720to build on the foundation with with appropriate structural development you'll be able to build
01:50:30.360out your biblical worldview to such a point that after you've been at it for for a couple of you
02:14:05.360And it's a lot of the question that a lot of people need to be asked.
02:14:08.880A question is also after that, was he even being truthful with me?
02:14:13.740when i asked him i was like great you did all this you have this audience you're doing this
02:14:17.280thing now now what yeah like you got all this stuff what are you gonna do with it and he was
02:14:21.980like i don't know i haven't thought about it and i was like that's really stupid maybe he has maybe
02:14:25.860he hasn't i don't know not my business but on the other side guys do you have a you have a
02:14:33.060an ultimate goal in mind so now man we just we just go with the flow bro no i mean you know
02:14:38.120it's like obviously if you if you have um i would like this is what i would like when you're close
02:14:44.620up to nephilim death squad and you're looking at it intimately it looks as though there's a lot of
02:14:49.500chaos going on and there's nuggets of good and there's moments of concern sure uh that we're
02:14:54.460trying to work on but i would hope that from a thousand foot overview it's a big arrow that
02:14:58.860points to christ like i don't want anything but to move along and and and redirect to christ to
02:15:05.860just point in that direction and and that's why you know even the idea of this being a conspiracy
02:15:10.500show like we're unraveling mysteries and such that's also not the goal here that's why I try
02:15:16.980to approach most of conspiracy with fun because I'm not trying to really lean on my own understanding
02:15:22.200you'll see me hypothesize and theorize and say what if and this is interesting and draw connections
02:15:27.420and such but ultimately I'm never going to be an authority on any of these topics I'm not going to
02:15:32.540claim that i have answers outside of jesus christ you mean you're not going to bring your supernatural
02:15:36.620receipts no i'm not going to bring any supernatural receipts i don't want to be an authority i'm
02:15:40.800grateful for whatever amount of people watch this show and and derive value from it and i'm
02:15:46.300super grateful for when people will message us and they'll say hey this show has uh helped my walk
02:15:53.060you know with with christ i go that's amazing that's the number one thing um and and of course
02:15:58.640grateful that i i get to have uh any part in that that that you know uh finding purpose in god
02:16:06.080this show has been like a very rough sketched outline of what we're trying to get out and what
02:16:11.880we're uh how we're moving with our life and what we're building uh the show that matt does i'm
02:16:17.660grateful for because it is a more hard direct line of what i want to point at yeah i'm also
02:16:23.740fully aware that when you're preaching to somebody, for lack of a better term, if I'm trying to preach
02:16:30.300a gospel to somebody, I can't just be like, here, man. You're not going to take it. You're not going
02:16:37.440to want that. But we can ease you in and then go, OK, you like that? Now I'm going to hit you hard
02:16:42.620with this thing. Yeah. The thing that I think I'm good at, if I'm good at anything, is appealing to
02:16:47.100people like me so i have a specific way that i looked at the world previously and and the and
02:16:53.220the interest that i came through and i can kind of turn back and look at that path and people that
02:16:59.720are coming down it and say hey man this is cool and all but this is what i realized it's really
02:17:04.720about christ more from uh new way new age kind of i was never a practitioner of anything but
02:17:11.080these were the things that i gave my attention to i studied all that stuff yeah and like i said
02:17:16.280and even study for me is like that's a stretch i spent a long time i guess you can call it
02:17:21.960research but i'm not the guy that's going to sit down and take notes and and get into dusty old
02:17:26.260tomes i'm just uh taking in a ton of information some of it sticks around some of it doesn't and
02:17:33.500it informs my worldview and i think that's actually pretty common there's a lot of people
02:17:37.420that are like that and so i just get to speak to them and you know i'm not gonna i'm not for uh
02:17:41.640maybe like a regular christian might look at me and go this guy's an asshole and an idiot and i
02:17:46.180I go, man, your walk is your own, but I got people that I am picking up and they are pointing towards Christ.
02:17:51.880That's where I come in because my background is a disaffected Christian, was going to the church, was kicked out for talking back to the pastor.
02:18:00.580So I understand that world, that reality really well.
02:18:04.640I grew up in it, came out of it, ended up in a crazy place, like, you know, dabbling in comedy.
02:18:10.440But now I'm like, I'm able to, again, look back and talk to that group of people.
02:25:16.460it makes it sound like i said something so you strike me as a guy who who's afflicted by the
02:25:25.800same thing that that i am and that is i i don't i just want to make sure you understand what i'm
02:25:31.940saying i want to articulate it in the best way possible and and the worst thing for me is to be
02:25:38.880misinterpreted or misunderstood i don't care if you disagree with me we're dirty we're we're
02:25:46.660we're messy people here you know all of us but christ guys specifically his real guys
02:25:52.980yeah dumpster fire yeah i really agree with that i know a couple seth
02:25:58.660i i knew about you guys before seth came along because there were other believers that would
02:26:06.220occasionally send me your stuff check this link out check that out or go look at these pieces
02:26:10.280when seth started talking to me about you guys i was like nope uh-uh no because they're mixing
02:26:17.420howard stern sure anthony sure bible yeah that's a reasonable response you can't do that yeah no
02:26:24.540and he prevailed he was like listen old man give them another look i'm telling you seth is very
02:26:32.820forward isn't he that's a real piece of shit he's a pushy son of a yeah yeah he he he absolutely
02:26:38.580insisted he wouldn't stop so i was like all right i was like okay fine oh we'll check these guys out
02:26:45.740And I'm glad that I did, because in my mind, there wasn't room for you guys to be legitimately who you are.
02:26:53.400It's interesting. I agree. I had that figured out. Right. I was wrong. I was wrong.
02:26:58.760And what I find as a result of looking in this direction, it ties back to what happened.
02:27:04.160I was talking to Tom about this when you were still at the gym.
02:27:07.460got him what happened in in the exodus in egypt it was the younger generation of guys who actually
02:27:15.260made it into the promised land it wasn't the older guys that were all squared away in their
02:27:20.080beliefs these guys the original generation called out of egypt all the old guys got dropped dead in
02:27:27.280the wilderness because they would not hear the voice of god they heard it they were like stop
02:27:33.920stop if we hear any more of that we're going to die tell god to stop talking we'll listen to you
02:27:38.780moses but we don't want to hear any more from him that's the same thing that's happening today the
02:27:44.620older generation and the institutional church have become ossified have become a fossil because you
02:27:50.200can't tell these guys anything case in point the pastor i was talking to but a whole bunch of them
02:27:55.720online sure i don't want to name names everybody knows what i'm talking about these guys are
02:28:02.000utterly inflexible their doctrine is established it's not going to change no matter what they see
02:28:07.980uh with with calvinists for example the reformed baptist guys some of them are masters
02:28:16.360in certain areas they're masters of the ancient languages they have a really good grasp in some
02:28:23.180areas of the gospel but what do they suck at prophecy they don't know they don't have any
02:28:30.180great idea how to handle prophecy. And it's the same thing with that Eastern Orthodox priest that
02:28:35.160was on Tucker. He doesn't know what to do with the book of Revelation. He doesn't understand it,
02:28:38.960doesn't understand the timeline. What happens when you don't understand the timeline? You're a
02:28:42.700hypocrite. We have to understand it. We're expected to understand it. We have to be flexible in the
02:28:47.700face of these things. When I looked at you guys again and started watching your videos, I was
02:28:52.520like, all right, I was wrong. I was wrong. This thing exists, and I didn't think it could.
02:28:57.440the way that you guys do things you have your own style the younger guys have their own style
02:29:05.060they have a willingness to cut themselves off from tradition from the standard doctrine teaching
02:29:11.600which yields death has a reputation that it's alive but is actually dead because of their
02:29:17.420because of that willingness what i think i'm saying here is the willingness in your audience
02:29:25.220especially with the younger guys to approach this from a way which is not the traditional way
02:29:32.540you can get where you're going anyway you don't have to be squeaky clean when you get there
02:29:37.200you have to wash your your robes and the and the blood of christ i don't know that you have to
02:29:42.700become you know one of these brady bunch type kids in order to get that done i don't i don't
02:29:48.400think you have to become somebody who never curses i don't think you have to become somebody
02:29:54.600who never tells an off-color joke but what and those aren't the things that paul really
02:30:01.520pointed at you know he says don't let any filthy jesting or or nonsense like that come out of your
02:30:09.440mouth but as a disqualifier for inheritance in the kingdom it was strictly the abuse of others
02:30:15.560that that's really you know that's that's i think that's like it's something that i did feel like
02:30:22.160again to mention the albarino thing where it's like we're getting to that line where it's it
02:30:27.640becomes abuse because i'm i am now in my heart not liking you yeah so now i'm going to hurt
02:30:33.700rather than we're gonna i'm gonna play this thing and help you help get you better but i wanted to
02:30:39.360say something also about like the older guys that are fossilized um we need them too we needed a lot
02:30:48.020of these guys to help us but a lot of them have shunned us and they're gonna die and if we don't
02:30:57.200have people like matt people like ed mabry yeah who we can go and because these are these are some
02:31:02.200of the older generation dudes and and now you uh and we can be like hey hey hey uh i just said a
02:31:08.980racial slur and did this what can i do better here or will you ask you a biblical question or
02:31:14.600sure yeah but if you if you've completely cut us off guess what we're the guys moving forward now
02:31:19.360and that seems to me you know from from watching this stuff on video he seems to me like the kind
02:31:24.740of guy that wouldn't have anything to do with you guys I think there was you know I I agree with
02:31:30.360that I agree with that and he has like a real like the way he explains is he has a real heart
02:31:36.040for dudes that um are kind of extreme he you know because i guess we're genuine that's the
02:31:45.480thing you know you were talking about becoming like the brady bunch like i can't do that
02:31:48.580the reason i can't do that is one because it would kill me inside and and and two it would
02:31:54.760never appeal to the audience because they would see that i'm not being who i actually am and i
02:32:00.500do believe that um you know god calls us and despite all of our flaws it's not about being
02:32:07.660perfect um and then coming to god it's like god meets you where you are and he saw fit to do
02:32:14.740things that so far what i've seen through this show is nothing short of a miracle because i
02:32:20.080think that the greatest thing at the end of the day is helping anybody else get to god that's the
02:32:25.240work and that has happened so god used a tremendously flawed dude like me to get that done
02:32:33.100i i'm i don't i think the worst thing that i can do is pretend to be anything other than the tool
02:32:38.260that he has used to do that very thing but then you also can't continue to be who you were it's
02:32:45.200this is a very strange thing it's a very strange line to walk especially in front of a camera the
02:32:49.760process of being remade in the image of christ is a process yes it's not an event yes yes agreed i
02:32:56.880likened it once to like you know throughout life i've gained all these different things you might
02:33:02.440liken them to armor and shields and and weapons and suddenly i've been called and i'm moving in
02:33:08.840this direction and i might still use a thing or two a couple of times but eventually it doesn't
02:33:14.260suit the job anymore so i i dropped that but i've still got some other stuff on me and eventually
02:33:19.260over my walk. This doesn't make sense anymore. And it's not that I'm dropping it all at once.
02:33:24.720I'm examining it. I'm going, this doesn't make sense anymore. This doesn't serve the direction
02:33:29.120that I'm going. And so I'll drop it. And it is one of the biggest fears is this idea. I had this
02:33:35.260notion when I was younger that I might come to realize that Christ was the truth. I used to
02:33:42.260think about that. And I used to think about this idea that it would be almost painful. You could
02:33:48.640call it painful to what suddenly become the brady bunch like that sucks man that sucks in a lot of
02:33:55.120ways in your imagination and i have found that that is not at all what the process is like like
02:34:00.780you said it is a process it's also not him right he's not that right right that's not the dude that
02:34:07.340i'm learning about it's it's about discovering who god is and discovering the characteristics
02:34:12.780of jesus not what they taught you but like yeah well there's there's like one of those younger
02:34:17.380evangelical dudes Bryce something or other and I just look at him and I go oh god I'd rather kill
02:34:22.040myself than be like this like imagine it's a task to walk around and have to act like him all day
02:34:28.720hold my chin up high and go peace be with you it's fake be with you like no dude that doesn't
02:34:33.400that feels insane but he does awesome he does some awesome stuff it's just like what you're
02:34:37.840presenting I'm keenly aware that this is fake and and honestly it would make me exhausted if I had
02:34:43.000to act like that all day long i can't come from where i came from and and all of a sudden become
02:34:49.240that thing like that's just not it would be i can't live a lie and i i used to struggle with
02:34:56.300that people would say these things to me like look at the way that you talk or look at it
02:34:59.500and i would go that has no bearing on the on what i'm saying i'm saying like jesus christ is real
02:35:07.380and the bible is real and he really came and he died for our sins and he overcame death jed just
02:35:12.680told us, and he's right, it's also, it's not about perception. It's not about how God perceives you
02:35:17.840because he's seeing on the inside. Like we talked about this with Matt about the Pharisee obeying
02:35:22.940on the outside, but on the inside, they're not, they know that they're in direct contradiction
02:35:27.660and they don't realize that standing before God and God knows it. Of course he does. But on the
02:35:31.520outside, men are also judging you. Sure. Yeah. And that is something we have to be aware of to what
02:35:37.000level. I have this opposite thing where if you, if I imagine the Pharisees based off of what I've
02:35:41.700come to understand as as being these guys who outwardly present like they've got it all figured
02:35:46.840out and they're the authority and they know exactly how this is going to play out. But inside
02:35:50.160their dead man's bones, I have something that feels like the opposite. Like in my heart,
02:35:55.980I feel as though I know the Lord and I'm coming closer to the Lord and I love the Lord and I'm
02:36:00.600developing this relationship. And on the outside, I am a flawed retard who is not pretending to be
02:36:06.780anything other than that at all and and i i feel a complete opposition to that type of character
02:36:13.580uh top is saying a week or two ago i wonder sometimes if i really am yeah right and what
02:36:23.660a man a man of christ sure sure i think about that too yeah man it's like am i doing this right
02:36:29.640Right. That's why understanding proper biblical instruction and doctrine is so important, because the answers to these questions are given. We're given tools by which we can measure.
02:36:45.820You know that you're okay if this is what's going on, if these things are increasing.
02:36:53.180But the understanding of what is written.
02:36:56.780So what we have to do is we have to look at the scriptures and hold them in the same level of esteem that Christ held them in.
02:37:07.000And his attitude was, this is God speaking to you.
02:45:54.400So then, as through one offense, the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through the one act of righteousness, the result was justification of life to all mankind.
02:49:15.020declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times
02:49:18.060things which have not been done saying my plan will be established and I will accomplish all
02:49:26.480my desires oh so in the previous where it says his his desire is for all all and then he then
02:49:35.560goes on to say I will accomplish I will accomplish this so then the people who want to defend the
02:49:41.240tradition say well if you look at it in some of these translations it's not desires that's not
02:49:45.700word it's used so in greek the word being translated as desire here is fellow to determine
02:49:54.020to choose or prefer by implication to wish to be inclined to to desire now that's the semantic
02:50:01.940domain of that greek word in hebrew you'll find exactly the same thing the word that means desire
02:50:10.740pleasure purpose this is what we're looking at in the original languages so if anyone wants to
02:50:18.500tell you that translating these two verses while using the english word desire is in any way
02:50:26.420unacceptable or inaccurate they're wrong and it's just that simple so let me ask you this
02:50:34.580Listen, somebody in the audience, Xerox, who is, you know, I consider him one of the homies, but I think he's orthodox.
02:50:43.960And he said something that I think is probably he would admit is reductive, but it's still a fair enough question.
02:50:50.960I think there it is. He said, it's OK, guys. And this is a little bit cheeky, right?
02:50:55.860Practice witchcraft and be a pagan. Jesus will save you anyways.
02:50:59.340Here's the problem. But that does characterize some arguments that people would make.
02:51:03.000Sure, sure. There's a lot of obvious arguments. The most obvious of which would be, look, well, if we're all going to be saved eventually, then why repentance? Why do I have to do all this stuff?
02:51:15.080You want to be a son of God? These other guys aren't going to get it. You're not going to be invited into the kingdom with an inheritance. You're not going to be welcomed into God's family. You will be saved.
02:51:25.200if you die in your sins you go into outer darkness and christ tells us which might be
02:51:32.880temporary but it'll suck yeah for an age yeah yeah so so like a thousand years of suffering
02:51:39.820a thousand years of christ's reign and bear in mind he's also the god of time so if he wants it
02:51:45.440to seem to you like you're there for 50 000 years that's not a problem for him this is a tailor-made
02:51:52.540process of restoration of all things. The word that the theologians use to describe this,
02:52:01.800what they call a heresy, is universalism. That's not a biblical term. There is a biblical term for
02:52:07.400this, and it's apocatostasis, which means the restoration of all things. This is a word
02:52:13.220which the apostles use in the book of Acts. So it's the restoration of all things.
02:52:19.140uh bear in mind outer darkness is real and he says where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth
02:52:27.700you don't want anything to do with this that's death that's what death is death is a punishment
02:52:33.660it's an experience all these believers who adhere to the doctrine of soul sleep like the seventh
02:52:40.820day adventists when you die your con your consciousness ceases until the day that you're
02:52:46.280resurrected, that completely negates the purpose of death. Death is a punishment. It's not much
02:52:52.180of a punishment if you're not conscious for it. For all those who do die in their sins and are
02:52:58.580brought down to the pit where they experience these things, no one can say exactly how bad it
02:53:06.860will be, just that when Christ's sweat drops of blood, I think it's because he knew where he was
02:53:14.420going he knew about the beating that he was about to take certainly but also he knew that he was
02:53:19.440he was going to do what to preach right the gospel to those who are dead the other day when top said
02:53:27.640he went there to make fun of them and to rub it in their face yeah not really he went there he
02:53:32.860went there to preach the gospel to them because ultimately in the eighth day and there's a picture
02:53:41.480of this in the scriptures in the eighth day in the new heavens and the new earth all will be
02:53:47.320made alive in christ and it has to be in christ there there can be no universal reconciliation
02:53:53.920apart from him and the the picture that we're given of this is in john chapter 20 verses 26
02:54:03.780through 29. Now bear in mind the sequence of the ages or the model of the days that were given in
02:54:13.080Genesis chapter 1. Day 1, day 2, day 3, all the way through 6. Day 7 is the rest of God, the millennial
02:54:20.900reign of Christ on earth, the day of the Lord. There's a day 8, which is the great day, the day
02:54:26.440of the new heavens and the new earth. So in John chapter 20, verses 26 through 29, the passage
02:54:33.040begins. Eight days, pay attention. Eight days later, his disciples were again inside, and Thomas, that is
02:54:40.920doubting Thomas, Thomas was with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut. Which doors? We know
02:54:49.780the doors to the kingdom. If you're on the outside, you're on the outside. The doors having been shut
02:54:56.140and stood in their midst and said, peace be to you. Then he said to Thomas, place your finger here and
02:55:02.040see my hands, and take your hand and put it into my side, and do not continue in disbelief,
02:55:10.160but be a believer. Thomas answered and said to him, my Lord and my God. Jesus said to him,
02:55:18.080because you have seen me, have you now believed? Blessed are those who did not see and yet
02:55:24.920believed. And this ties back directly with what Paul said in 1 Timothy 4.10, that God is the
02:55:31.420savior of all men, especially of believers. See, Thomas even said so. He said, I won't believe.
02:55:37.540He's been resurrected. You guys are telling me he's back from the dead. I will not believe that
02:55:41.220until I see it with my own eyes. That's the issue. There are some people who will not or cannot
02:55:47.600believe. Sometimes that's due to the behavior of those who call themselves Christians.
02:55:54.000Sometimes it's due to the behavior of the traditionalists who come up with these doctrines.
02:56:01.420such as the doctrine of eternal conscious torment.
02:56:05.700And millions of people have looked at that and said,
02:56:08.280if that's what God does, my knee will never, ever bow to that God.
02:56:13.360My tongue will never confess because that God does not deserve to be worshipped.
02:56:24.560The way around it is to not think about it.
02:56:26.660the way around this doctrine for most believers is that they don't really take the time to think
02:56:34.480through the philosophical and theological implications of what's being said, to think
02:56:39.660about what it means, eternal torment. What does that even look like? And how could a man perpetrate
02:56:47.340a crime worthy of an infinite punishment when he himself is a finite creature perpetrating finite
02:56:55.560crimes. The traditionists will say, well, the crimes were perpetrated against an infinite deity.
02:57:03.020So what? Humans are stupid. We're made out of dirt. We get a lot of stuff wrong. And not only
02:57:10.820that, but we're born into a world which is geared specifically and intentionally towards deceiving
02:57:16.700us. Most of us are never going to get this right. Most of us can't get it right. And the ones who
02:57:23.480do get it right only get it right with help from christ so because we were all at one point sinners
02:57:33.080slaves to the kingdom of darkness and yet for some reason christ came to us and
02:57:39.720pulled us out of the darkness but he's not going to do that for everybody just for us
02:57:45.320what's what's the difference between us and the guys who die in their sins and who aren't saved
02:57:49.320there's no there's no fundamental difference between us we're all just as dirty just as
02:57:56.100worthless and he saves so if it's possible for him to save some why wouldn't he save all well
02:58:05.320the scriptures teach plainly that he does and the only the only opposition to these plainly
02:58:12.740worded verses of scripture and there's there's many of them you can see the list continues
02:58:17.520We don't have to get into all of them, but the point is made, and it's reiterated so many times in Scripture, that he is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
02:58:30.780The confusion has come because of a mistranslation of a single Greek word, aeon, which the traditionalists want to argue means eternal.
02:58:40.900but this is a word which the translators at certain points could not translate as eternal
02:58:47.780so they had to be faithful to the original language and translate it as age for example
02:58:52.700there's a sin against the holy spirit which will not be forgiven neither in this age nor in
02:58:58.660the coming age the apostle paul says there are ages plural to come so that's not an unpardonable
02:59:05.920sin, that's a sin which, as the scriptures teach, will not be pardoned in this age or in the next
02:59:11.260age. There is no such thing as a sin which cannot be fixed by God. It doesn't exist.
02:59:18.080So even this idea of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is described as not being,
02:59:27.380how is it, this age and the next, how is it put? Christ says there will be no forgiveness for those
02:59:33.600blaspheming the holy spirit either in this age or in the next so that's two the apostle paul tells
02:59:39.840us and and there's other points of scripture so if you were to imagine that that was a permanently
02:59:45.760condemning sin then you would have to then say that when scripture says and the next
02:59:53.920that that next would be the final and age into perpetuity well when when when people who are good
03:00:02.800at dealing with this issue there's another eastern orthodox guy by the name of david bentley hart
03:00:08.560who wrote a phenomenal book on this subject called uh that all shall be saved
03:00:16.080as himself an eastern orthodox believer uh he he misunderstands the prophetic timeline
03:00:24.400and he believes that there's two ages there's this age and the age to come
03:00:28.880The scriptures speak plainly about ages to come.
03:00:32.980The seventh day is yet to come, and the eighth day will have no end.
03:00:37.040It will be beyond time, outside of time.
03:01:24.860It hasn't. It hasn't. And the reason that it hasn't, first of all, God doesn't make changes like that.
03:01:31.200He says so. The seventh day always was, always will be the day of the Lord.
03:01:38.200And this is one of the ways that we can help formulate our understanding of the timeline with the understanding that the seventh day is the day of the Lord.
03:01:47.800That's how you can figure out where you are in the timeline. And they don't want you to be able to do that.
03:01:52.060Hmm. That's interesting because that's a discussion we have on the show quite often is like the muddying of the timeline. Some people think that giant swaths have been added or removed, but I don't know if that needs to be the case. It could be little increments that change over vast periods of time to confuse you sufficiently enough that the day and time that you're in is close but no cigar kind of a deal.
03:02:18.960god god says you you you're expected to know these things so we will be able to know that
03:02:26.040this this thing that you're talking about with tartaria and sure yeah satan's little season oh
03:02:31.940yeah that's a big one i the first time i came across that i actually said to myself well this
03:02:36.340is so wrong that it won't catch on this is going nowhere yeah yeah wrong i'll stop saying that
03:02:44.680But the two Greek words in this case, aeon, which is a noun, and the adjectival form, the adjective aeonios, when you append the Greek suffix, what we would call I-O-S in Greek, iota, omicron, sigma, that suffix means of or related to.
03:03:10.220so when you append that suffix to the greek noun aeon aonios means of or related to the age
03:03:20.840so when christ speaks about colossan aeonion which is translated as eternal punishment
03:03:28.460he's talking about punishment of or related to the age you will be in outer darkness being punished
03:03:35.180for the age so where i'm having trouble here is that they're they're translating it as g166
03:03:41.980aeonios over here sorry let me pull this up uh this make that big screen yeah sorry
03:03:49.760uh they're translating aeonios down here as without beginning end that which has always
03:03:59.200been always will be without beginning without end never ceasing and that's supposed to mean
03:04:03.260eternal everlasting right and you're saying that this is a mistranslation well and you can prove
03:04:09.100that it's a mistranslation because you can prove that at least in some cases it can't mean eternal
03:04:15.380for example those eight neither in this age or the next it's the same greek word
03:04:20.200and also when the apostle paul refers to satan as the god of this age well then he's the god
03:04:27.400he's the god eternally oh that's a good point you guys are picking and choosing you're doing
03:04:32.340what's convenient for your theories and your traditions and you're not being judicious and
03:04:39.280faithful with the original languages now this is an idea that i have kicked around probably before
03:04:45.040uh i even started this show about the the exact thing here where um eternity being like is it a
03:04:53.120is it a time frame is it a time point is it oh we've had discussions like that we've had discussions
03:04:56.920about this but i've i spoke about this my parents a long long time ago as well because it just seemed
03:05:02.120asinine to me that god would send his like like people yeah like like you said people would suffer
03:05:07.880for eternity for something they did here also does that does that fit the crime that and and
03:05:13.320then the character of god what is god's character his character is righteousness doing what is
03:05:18.040exactly right the punishment always fits the exact crimes justice yep i have to think about
03:05:25.320it a little bit more because i've gone back and forth on this and you know i see uh xerox being
03:05:30.760a homosexual in the chat no xerox wouldn't do that that's why this is why xerox is blocked
03:05:36.520this issue inspires anger yeah no well it's also we have guys like uh the guy jacob israel who's
03:05:43.880we've been arguing i made fun of him it was a banger this is not his argument about hell no i
03:05:49.000don't know what his argument is he's saying hell doesn't exist that there isn't but but no it
03:05:54.040certainly does you we're talking about duration and here's where i think he said that your ego
03:05:58.840goes there to die or something like that whatever yeah here's where i have the issue with uh eternal
03:06:05.680punishment it's not just eternal punishment so like people will you'll be cast into a lake of
03:06:10.460fire you'll be in this place forever but it's like are you your own thing like when we're talking
03:06:15.480about ownership is like so you're you own yourself then right you've created yourself and now you're
03:06:21.200to be satisfied like you're not even yours you're god's god made you he can do whatever he wants
03:06:26.200with you now if you were fearfully and wonderfully made by god in his image you needed to be punished
03:06:32.060again i i don't know i don't know what's what's correct but i have a hard time believing that
03:06:37.540he's going to take his thing that he owns this is mine i'm going to throw it out i'm going to
03:06:44.340restore everything it's his dude he's going to fix all of it right and some people will be willing
03:06:50.940and some won't he says the son of man must be lifted up from the earth and when when that
03:06:57.560happens it's so that i may the greek word is drag i may drag all men to myself i don't have any
03:07:05.360option in this because we don't know any better just like with doubting thomas as soon as he saw
03:07:12.500he was like my lord and my god he worshipped immediately because he could see and the people
03:07:19.060who die in their sins have not been able to see he they will see him and when they see him they'll
03:07:26.400their response is going to be exactly what thomas's was i didn't i didn't understand and you know one
03:07:31.920thing about thomas that we learned uh from cyprian which is interesting because we're now we're
03:07:36.880talking about the consequences of not uh of of not obeying god the first time in in this life and
03:07:43.620then going to the spot thomas everybody goes thomas doubting thomas thomas was a pretty decent
03:07:49.840apostle and his punishment after this was having to carry the gospel further than the rest of the
03:07:56.340apostles so like there is a punishment for not recognizing the first time do you want that's a
03:08:02.340light punishment he got to do something really cool um do you want that here's the issue daniel
03:08:08.840The prophet Daniel talks about the issue. Shame. That's going to stick. We got one job in this world. We're created for one job. Christ's people are focusing on that one job and everyone else is rejecting it.
03:08:25.260And when you when you come to a point where you can see these things clearly, then it will you'll know with a perfect knowing not only how bad you screwed everything up, but how much you yourself are to blame.
03:08:39.720Everybody's pointing fingers about, well, I was angry at God because of what the Catholic Church.
03:08:44.720sure yeah yeah look the priests and and the catholic authorities who taught lies they'll be
03:08:50.320dealt with but we're under orders to take care that no man deceives you sure so if you're deceived
03:08:57.520guess whose fault it is well that's something that i've said before you know it's like the cultural
03:09:01.840context for christianity especially in the west had made it so watered down and so kind of cringy
03:09:08.080and gay that i just didn't give it the time of day but of course the response to that would be like
03:09:13.260yeah that's the the western cultural interpretation of a thing is that what god is but like what matt
03:09:19.540says he says this isn't religion exactly reality this is truth exactly this is the existence that
03:09:26.420we live in the universe was created by this god we live in his creation is that even religion
03:09:33.340i don't think so yeah that's just the that's reality but religion can get you so far you know
03:09:41.460Matt said also, we're all on the afflicted path, right? Well, Christ says the afflicted path leads
03:09:49.900to the narrow gate, and most people are never going to concern themselves with the afflicted
03:09:53.500path. Of those who do, not all will find the narrow gate. Of the people who find the narrow
03:10:02.200gate, he says many will seek to pass through it and will not be able. I mean, this is why it's
03:10:08.620so important to understand the distinction between salvation on the one hand which comes to all men
03:10:15.100that's what the scriptures say and inheritance inheritance in the kingdom because you're talking
03:10:19.760about the uh the beam of sea in a way like this is now your recognition of what gifts you get where
03:10:25.120where your place is as as as you're judged and you know even those those who are in christ won't be
03:10:30.400condemned but we all have to render an account for the heinous stuff that we did because we tweeted
03:10:35.860right i'm gonna unroll a scroll of my tweets dude so that all gets weighed that all gets weighed
03:10:43.220uh but but what christ says in in greek about the narrow gate is you must agonize to pass through
03:10:52.500it it's translated as strive you must you this isn't something he's going to do all by himself
03:10:59.860for us there must be participation here it's an active participation strive agonize to pass
03:11:07.300through the narrow gate because most people are not going through it i mean that's like well the
03:11:12.900once saved always saved crowd has to wrestle with that i there's nothing i can do to lose
03:11:17.780my salvation that's nice are you going to inherit in the kingdom are you going to become a son of
03:11:23.540god because that's not going to happen without you striving without you agonizing without you
03:11:31.140doing what the apostle paul said is to work out your own salvation in fear and trembling
03:11:37.380too much of the the modern especially the evangelical church there's no fear of god there's
03:11:43.220no fear jesus is my boyfriend that's that's the kind of crap you get we were talking about uh
03:11:50.740with matt with this i think the study of ananias and his wife and they lie about how much they
03:11:56.100sold their property right they're like they just buried that guy and then they buried the wife
03:11:59.460too crazy dog on the spot but then three hours fear there has to be reverence there has to be
03:12:06.020fear there has to be love but you have there you if you don't have any fear of of the lord in you
03:12:12.020at all you do not know him you don't know him there there has to be fear of these warnings and
03:12:20.100if these warnings are all just well that's not for us that's for the believing jews or
03:12:24.500this different dispensation there's all kinds of ways to dispose of all these warnings and to decide
03:12:30.500that these are not applicable to us they're all applicable to us everything in the bible from
03:12:35.940from genesis to the maps is for us for the people of god the jews will hold up the bible and say
03:12:42.100this is our book well you know it used to be now it's ours it was their book to share
03:12:49.220there failed man if you don't have christ that's not your book i got a lot of shit to think about
03:12:54.880now i'm sure this is going to ruffle this will ruffle some feathers and it's like i don't know
03:13:00.700it's it again it's something that i've considered in the past i said i don't really know then you
03:13:05.680hear uh dumb people talk about like their view on hell like kirk cameron comes out i'm not exactly
03:13:10.760sure what he was saying so i don't want to attribute anything to him jacob israel saying
03:13:14.640his thing and i'm like that's completely wrong now you're bringing me a different perspective
03:13:19.080that is biblical i was like well now i gotta i gotta i mean that was all as far as laying out
03:13:23.340the scripture and and you know the use specifically of the word all and its translation um that was
03:13:31.200very convincing it is a great talking point we we've uh we've been playing footsie with our
03:13:36.860friend vince who uh is married to an ai i followed i followed all that was fun right it was one of
03:13:43.740his one of his sticking points was like oh what so there's a god and if i don't like him then i
03:13:48.260burn in hell maya what do you think about that and maya's like can't she's struggling to spell
03:13:53.040espresso but but it's like yeah no well there are like i think we nailed it we said well there are
03:14:00.060rules to this thing it's de facto how it is and it's complicated and there are consequences if
03:14:06.360you don't do a thing then you get a thing and i think that's exactly that's exactly right but what
03:14:11.420is the punishment man for disobedience in this life is it just eternal in the next life is it
03:14:19.160is it temporary but does it really suck i'll tell you what if i don't get to pass
03:14:23.240i'm trying to suffer because of my tweets dude well that's the apostle paul wraps this up for us
03:14:29.400uh on the issue he 13 or 14 letters not once does he ever mention this concept of eternal
03:14:39.800torture or punishment but he says in first corinthians 3 10 through 15 according to the
03:14:47.960grace of god which was given me like a wise master builder i laid a foundation and another is building
03:14:54.880on it but each person must be careful how he builds on it for no one can lay a foundation
03:15:00.980other than the one which is laid which is jesus christ now if anyone builds on the foundation
03:15:07.040with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw. Each one's work will become evident for
03:15:13.480the day. What day? The day of the Lord. The day will show it because it is to be revealed with
03:15:20.720fire. And the fire itself will test the quality of each one's work. If anyone's work which he has
03:15:27.660built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss.
03:15:35.260but he himself will be saved yet only so as through fire so which which believer in christ
03:15:43.960is going to be saved by fire you know you're not saved by fire so he's not talking about believers
03:15:49.840here he's got two categories there's no third category for people who go into the eternal
03:15:56.660lake of fire and and roast forever and ever begin now he doesn't say a word about any of that ever
03:16:03.280these are the two categories here the lake of fire is the refiner's fire it's purifying
03:16:10.580to be saved by fire you're going to wish you had done it the more comfortable way
03:16:17.140while you were here which is through suffering through learning and through obedience which is
03:16:21.300what people call the refiner's fire as well right the suffering that you endure here that builds
03:16:26.000character and burns off the little taste of it yeah so if you won't participate in that yourself
03:16:31.480well he's going to do it for you but he's going to do it to you damn and he has prepared a better
03:16:38.440way which he invites all of us prepared a better way the way the truth and the life that makes a
03:16:46.600lot of sense though it makes a lot of sense choose this day life or death that's the same binary that
03:16:53.440we've been looking at from from the opening verses of the book it's the same binary adam and he faced
03:17:00.100in the garden we're still facing it today everyone chooses so choose chat should i delete my twitter
03:17:08.740don't do that man oh look for for all the other stuff every time you get the little notifications
03:17:17.140at the top of your page yeah click here for the new every time i see you guys i'm like this is
03:17:21.300going to be good i got i gotta just keep my eyes on that don't don't don't um spiritually wound
03:17:28.980people right don't torture people that's worth focusing on that's where yeah yeah yeah we're
03:17:35.260not that's something we're specifically called not to do we can't be vindictive and and that's
03:17:40.500the way the world behaves we gotta i said a lot of things about coming even if they have it coming
03:17:46.100don't do it about craig's mom man that was that was a misstep but it was fun can't be doing that
03:17:53.500that's why it was brief and i let it but whatever there's no way i could like put the sins in a
03:17:58.760chicken and swing the chicken and no that's not all right how long did we go we went three hours
03:18:03.060thank you for coming on this was honestly i think this is gonna be a lot of fun uh you know it's
03:18:08.240only to the patreon right now but i have a feeling when this gets to the rest of the audience they're
03:18:12.100really really really good i enjoyed this maybe we'll probably bump it up yeah yeah uh because
03:18:17.100time is short shout out joe bud can you tell the people again where they could follow you because
03:18:20.600they're probably going to want to follow you and see and guys be reasonable don't don't ask
03:18:24.660questions you know questions are fine but don't be a dipshit you'll get blocked yes uh red river d
03:18:30.580that's at red underscore river underscore d all right i'll stick around on on twitter just to
03:18:38.700watch all this going yeah that's the only site that i you know it's a cesspool but yeah well
03:18:43.320i mean we're supposed to stand in the middle of it and uh down in the trenches right yeah
03:18:48.560gotta fight the war all right fine i'll stay in the in the trench that is twitter
03:18:52.900thank you thanks for coming down thanks for making the drive yeah man he came from 17 hours
03:18:58.660away it's crazy good god to talk talk to us and i hope it was worth it for us i don't know if it
03:19:03.020was worth it for for you but i'm glad that you did 17 hours invite myself no no no no nothing
03:19:09.500personally i invited you and then these guys invited i said yes and not only that but i'm
03:19:15.200going to come see you personally and then i'm glad that you did so am i and i appreciate the
03:19:19.600invite and uh this was a very good real quick do you think do you think that you because i know
03:19:23.960um when you come on a show you you have a thing that you want to get out that you definitely
03:19:30.440want the room to be bigger you expect the room to be bigger less orange um you feel like you said
03:19:36.860what you came here to say is there anything you're leaving on the table any anything because i know
03:19:41.560it's hard to do it all in one yeah this it's it's a rough tail swoop there was uh there was a movie